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please rise for invocation by pastor
Sheila Trott thank you for coming let us

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bow our heads and hearts together we
thank your father for this evening in

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this commissions meeting we think that
you're allowing us to make the right

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decisions for this city
and we thank you Father for everything

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amen the clerk call the roll please
hear hear hear hear hear

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item for recognition of Mary wittmeyer
who's her 35 year pin before we progress

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with that I was just thinking what was
going on 35 years ago 1984 there's this

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little album by Van Halen of the same
name 1984 I was a junior at Spruce Creek

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High School getting ready to become a
senior and sleeping a little port orange

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and I was thinking or we've grown to the
interstate we must be done growing right

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there's nowhere else where we could go
now we got everything over there this

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was 1984 that's when Mary started
volunteering with the volunteers and

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police services
she's one of her originals and council

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if you join me below we're going to
recognize her for 35 years of volunteer

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service
[Applause]

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okay for those of that those of you in
the audience who I'm Mary Mary wittmeyer

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is part of our VIP program our
volunteers and police service and those

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that don't know what our volunteer and
Police Service is each one of the the

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individuals standing in back here in the
uniforms are our VIP some of our VIPs

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not the entire contingent but some they
help us out tremendously on a daily

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basis they provide services that
typically we would provide police

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officers for we can pull our police
officers and send them to other calls

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for service to service our citizens so
they very very very much are valued not

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only to the police part but to the
entire city

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before I begin speaking about Mary I'd
like to call up there major major low

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mountain padlet Mountain would you step
forward please Pat's our major of the

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VIP team and she helps run the daily
operations there Mary wittmeyer so as a

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as a mayor said Mary began her service
with Port Orange VIPs in 1983 and during

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that time she served five Chiefs I'm
told which she probably deserves a an

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award just for that alone I know how we
can get and so and I'm told how we can

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get so probably deserve an award for
that but during her 35 years she served

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different capacities on the VIPs so she
served as a secretary the treasurer she

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served us in the police department with
not only our patrol division she's

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helped out our Traffic Division and even
has served time with our Detective

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Division chasing down pawn tickets and
and pawnshop lists and stuff for us so

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that we can investigate crimes mary on
average averages correct me if i'm wrong

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pal over 900 hours a year volunteering
for our city she is in our building at

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least three times a week serving right
now she does a lot of them are courier

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service we see her all over the city
she'll come to City Hall

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does anything really that we asked for
but it's not just that it's these

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special events to whenever we pick up
the phone and say you know we have a

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special event in all of our VIPs respond
with Mary as well and she responds to

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our family days our Spring Fair our
fourth of July events our Christmas

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parades any event that is there you'll
see Mary out there working yes but you

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know we talk about our service but
what's just as important as her service

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is probably more important is you know
Mary anytime you see or she's smiling

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she has a great attitude something that
I can't put a price tag on that and I so

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so appreciate Mary if you'd step forward
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Mary and on behalf of the entire police
department of Port Orange Police

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Department and dare I say the city of
Port Orange thank you so much for your

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service and again thank you not only for
your service but thank you for the great

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disposition you bring into our Police
Department every day we love seeing you

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and we can't wait to 35 more

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[Applause]

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they're they're very rare though that's
true we need a picture with what the

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council do a picture yeah

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[Music]

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[Music]

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you see one more thing all these
wonderful people of blue shirts give you

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some help
anybody who's interested in joining the

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volunteers of police services white golf
paying $20 of seriously anybody watching

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at home if you're interested call police
we'll get you the information reliable

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kitchen applications

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give everybody a minute
clear out I think Mary should have a she

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should have a stripe on her uniform for
every hurricane she's worked because I

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know she's been there long sleep laughs
they don't make sure it sleeves that

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long may I have a motion for the
approval of tonight's agenda so moved

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they have a second second all in favor
signify by saying aye the agenda for

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tonight is approved public comments on
consent agenda items only they may like

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to speak to anything on the consent
agenda come on

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Savannah Weaver Port Orange council
mayor last meeting we just did the same

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thing we waved over five thousand
dollars of fees for a developer mr.

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Rhyne Hagan had made a great point
what precedent are we setting and what

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standards do we have another developer
is now asking well they paid $4,500 and

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it is now asking for a refund of over
3,900 dollars we understand this is not

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impact fees but if this is calculated as
actual cost of staff review could this

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money possibly go towards possible
higher wages and because it has recently

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been brought to my attention that the
National Association of government

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employees and the civil workers union
have stated that we have high employee

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turnover that leave to go to other
cities and that are compared on have

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competitive wages and so I just want our
employees to feel like they're worth

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more along with why are we waiving fees
for developers I'm aware that there's

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another agenda item where a developer is
requesting to waive a fee and then

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there's also another agenda item where
there's an amendment to a PC d-md a will

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that developer be asking for a fee
waiver to what why the question why did

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we set these standards if we're
constantly going back on them or because

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what if every small business or what if
every homeowner comes before you and

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starts asking if we can track staff
review to lessen their fees are we going

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to also do that so I would like you to
possibly reconsider this because these

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are not nonprofit they are non not
nonprofit developers and we need to be

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setting a good precedent so I'm asking
you to please reconsider waiving this

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fee thank you who's next

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mayor councilmembers Robert Ryan Hagan
1425 Dexter Drive Port Orange

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the only other thing I'd like to add is
that well you know you did mention the

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need for flexibility I would suggest
that you consider looking at making the

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fee schedule more flexible and in that
way everybody will be playing by the

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same rules thank you thank you anybody
else come on you want to speak to any of

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the issues on the consent agenda be
ready please come on at ball all roads

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are 607 powers Avenue for runners for I
think there should be no waivers period

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for a developer they should have their
money's already I should not even be

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considered without their monies period
this is port orange we're running out of

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property to develop thank you thank you
anybody else

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I don't see anybody else okay can I have
a motion in regard to the consent agenda

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so move you to approve we have a motion
for approval of the consent agenda items

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7 through 12 second we have a second all
in favor I'm sorry we got a resolution

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call the roll
yes yes yes yes yes by though this isn't

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participation let's start with mr. e
Andrew burns I live 1116 Mill Brook

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Avenue Port Orange
that's right at the intersection of

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Taylor Road and Spruce Creek Road and in
the last three years I've watched a

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steady increase of vehicles that have no
mufflers pickup trucks cars and the roar

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is incredible I bite oh you come my
house hang out in the back guard by the

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pool have a nice cool drink and listen
to the roar traffic I mean it's just

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gotten to the point I started off by
talking to one of the police officers

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and he told me well as we have a decimal
meter for it I wasn't satisfied with

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that I called I emailed II what's it one
of it offices and she passed it on to

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the police department heard nothing for
three weeks I got back to I said who you

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can't it was the police he says all he
retired I'll pass on again officer came

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to my house and basically told me the
same thing

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we have no no way to stop it and code
enforcement only handles properly you

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know noise at properties bars and
whatever they don't handle it on the

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street and I'm like well if you have a
decimal meeting how do you pick that up

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when your cars are going by his they're
not standing there waiting if you do

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tell him how loud they are
and he left I moved on - I believe the

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controller I sit the next email - and he
sent a sergeant to my house and I said

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well he's moving up but he says yes you
made it

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an indentation of mic well good let's
get something done and he told me the

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same thing they don't have any tools to
do it and I from where I used to live in

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New Jersey I had lots of friends in the
police force and I understand their

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frustration when they don't have the
tools to help their citizens that they

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want help but they have no tools and as
I discussed it with the mayor and emails

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I guess you don't know where the heart
of the Doppler effect you know and

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something's coming at your ongoing way
the sound changes so you can't measure

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it with a stationary device I think a
simple revolution would be to have a

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motion or an ordinance that all vehicles
should have a manufacturer's muffler or

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some a Midas imitation of it you know I
may go to a dealer but an invitation

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some kind of muffler on I mean catalytic
converters were invented to make the air

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cleaner these cars you know catalytic
and burn no muffler there they're

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affecting the health and everything else
is a everybody in a town I would like to

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see you gentlemen do something thank you
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uh if I'm gonna butcher the last name so
forgive me if I called Garrett Tina I

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tell me how close I got you're gonna
introduce yourself and correct and when

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you come to the microphone and correct
me anyway right

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mayor chase hey Jim Garrett Ty and I 68
Raintree Drive I'm just here to voice my

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opinion about the great historic oak
tree out in front of our neighborhood

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the tree
I'll just read bits and pieces of the

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EMI sent by bet it's a basically says
I'm voicing opinion to save the historic

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oak tree out in front of Raintree off
Taylor Road I believe a small adjustment

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to the common ground on either side of
the tree island could what could widen

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the road enough to preserve the bulging
root system I've been a resident for

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this area for over 40 years I grew up in
leisure villas then moved to Ponce Inlet

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and bought a home in Raintree 68 been
there since 2003 I've been there for 15

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years the trees always meant to value
you know scenic value historic value of

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our neighborhood we enjoy its beauty and
prestige every time we entered or passed

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by our home many or nearly all of the
neighborhood residents are in support of

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keeping the tree not the one or two
bothered by the slight inconvenience of

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the root bumps that can be remedied by
widening the road there or even taking

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away some of the common ground up front
to pass by safely please take in our

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consideration to save this great tree
we'd like to reestablish a sign to

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welcome our guests as well when all has
been decided thanks for your time guys

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appreciate it thank you we got Dave ant
off looks like on the same issue

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good evening mayor members council thank
you for your time

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Dave vance off raintree drive for the
Raintree subdivision district to the

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March 6 the city posted the sign about
removing this historic tree it gave to

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March 31st to solicit opinions the city
had an environmental board meeting on

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March 20th and didn't tell the citizens
that this was going on we notified

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citizens on code enforcement city zoning
even paving the roads so why can't we

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notify citizens on what's going on with
other boards within the city I've been a

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member on that road since 1991 Marta
from the original owner my grandfather

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so to say that I've been associated with
this tree for over 40 years so instead

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of removing it have other considerations
been made for repairing it like we've

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done in town park we've done a Madeline
Ave and we've done in our own entrance

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to City Center to save this tree please
save it thank you you all might want to

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stick around for our council comments
section because I'm going to ask the

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assistant city manager to update the
status of that and also you might want

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to stick around for a little later in
the meeting as we discuss a tree

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preservation ordinance for the city so
there's a lot going on stay tuned

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oby walker

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my name is Obie Walker I live at 53:35
two boys Avenue in February 2002 I moved

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to a quiet dead-end street with only
three homes on it in my front yard

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I had a canal they had otters ducks
birds and fish it was a nice place so he

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had a new home put on the property our
forever home things were good

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then about 2010 or 2011 Massey
construction bought the property on us

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150 460 which would have is the address
when he started to bridge the canal from

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us 1 to Dubois we had concerns so we had
the city manager at that time Ken Parker

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the engineers Public Works
superintendent come to see what was

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going on they assured me it was just a
shop to fix trucks no flooding would

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affect us when Massey finished he filled
the property with over six feet of fill

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making his property four feet higher
than mine and my neighbor's property now

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when we have a heavy rain or storm our
property has over two feet of flood

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water I have been the council meetings
and told that would be looked into that

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was five or six years ago I've heard
nothing now I have a canal that stinks I

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have no life in the canal mosquitoes and
the water stationery Massey's property

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on the residential side would have held
the overflow which had always had this

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in our yard at the end of the dead-end
street and Dubois

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Massey's property is four feet higher
than all the Residential's on that side

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of the canal now we to make matters
worse Massey bought the property across

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the canal in front of us less than a
hundred feet away from my bedroom window

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I again had concerns I was sure I was
assured it was only for parking

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I now have dump trucks front-end loaders
concrete saws and whatever else can make

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noise 24/7 the noise is bad enough
during the day in cooler weather I can't

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even open my windows for the noise and
the dust

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I've had my truck my wife's car my house
everything outside covered in dirt I'm

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not asking for anything that any normal
person would not expect this has been

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going on for over eight years I don't
know if you can if the flooding can be

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fixed but it would only think of fair to
have Massey put up an 8 foot concrete

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block wall to stop the noise this is a
residential neighborhood I tried to have

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this resolved numerous times by calling
code enforcement police Coast code

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enforcement says they sent emails
Deborah Pearson from code enforcement

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has been very helpful but the noise is
not when code enforcement is working

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I've contacted the police on numerous
occasions by the time they arrived the

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people have stopped working I was also
informed grabbed up in the next five

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seconds yeah I'm retired and I don't
have I won't get a fair price from my

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property if I sell it and I really don't
want to move from where I am I think

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thank you very much as to what you say
yeah I have also left a letter from my

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next-door neighbor he lives in New York
so he couldn't be here thank you jack

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that's your district I'm gonna make sure
you have Obie's address so that you can

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talk to him and yeah I've got a little
insight on that anyway okay Savannah

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Weaver

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Savannah Weaver council mayor I just
wanted to come up here and hope that we

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can facilitate some better communication
between Council on the city tour to the

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community I've been looking at other
cities agendas and like Daytona Beach's

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and I thought it was really great how
they talked about how you can have

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access to the disability for days
disabled and then when you when you go

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through it it's not 500 pages long and
so you don't have to scroll for forever

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and it's really easy to access like hey
here's this agenda item yep you can go

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on it click the link to find out more
information instead of scrolling or

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forever I also think it's really great
how they include these notes on here on

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how the consent agenda works for people
who show up and don't necessarily know

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how City Council meetings work so I that
we should really do something to improve

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this for Port Orange then also this
newsletter I just don't understand why

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we're spending tax money to increase to
talk about increasing taxes and there's

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really a lot of space that we could have
used in here to communicate things to

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our public like how there's open board
positions and I also would like to see

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our our City Hall social media maybe
post more on how we're going to be

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having council meetings and how what's
on the agenda

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Daytona Beach does it you know I don't
understand why we can't do it so I'd

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really like to just see more
communication because it gets really

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frustrating on this and for not only me
but a lot of people thank you

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council comments we'll start with Scott
I'm good tonight you sure yeah drew I

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just want to come again we had another
successful big event the no dough bus

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show this past weekend at City Center
was pretty much there were Volkswagens

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from end to end and a ton of people so
another well attended event so just

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wanted to give kudos to staff for all
they do and for putting those you know

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for facilitating these events and you
know we had good weather and a great

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turnout so congratulations to staff and
everybody else have participated in

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making these things happen Jason I did
want to give a compliment and I

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mentioned it earlier to our fire chief I
did see our new transport units out

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while I was not a proponent of the
initiation of it I will support the

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implementation of it and I just
appreciated seeing the American flag and

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the patriotism all across it so you know
hats off that's off to our chief and our

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fire department and certainly wish a
great success okay I have three things

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they won't take too long
one is there's an election on April 30th

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for this district one seat so if there's
a prevailing party out there that ends

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up being elected on the 30th with 50% or
more of the vote this would be my last

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meeting so I would like to thank the
staff for their support and guiding me

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and also council for putting me in this
position I'm very grateful it's been a

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growing experience for myself and
certainly learned quite a bit of how the

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city works and you guys have been great
in terms of you know sharing ideas and

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thoughts so staff thank you very much
I've learned that you a lot of knowledge

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you're professionals in your job and you
do a superb job so take my hats off to

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you because I've seen the inside of how
the city works and it's

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it's very very interesting and rewarding
secondly meeting with the auditors last

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week I was looking at some at the
financials and one of the things that

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really jumped out at me and I'm sure
it's been talked about on the council

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before but I'm the new guy on the block
so I just wanted to kind of bring it up

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and see what the council thought about
it but I noticed every group such as

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fire police and general pension have an
administrative fee of around 76 to

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$80,000 to need it seems logical that we
hire a person in-house administrative

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person in-house to to do that job for
around 80,000 70 60 $80,000 whatever we

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can find someone to do it and
consolidate those positions and take

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care of the administrative aspects of it
for all three of those those pension

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boards that would save the city
somewhere around $150,000 a year I know

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the board's themselves the police fire
and general pension would have to agree

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to it but it certainly seems like that's
something that we might be able to try

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and move the ball on but I'd like to see
us try and do that I mean $150,000 and

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nothing to sneeze at and that's the neck
and I'm not sure we're getting our

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money's work in terms of the value of
$75,000 per administrator I think some

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of those boards get more value than
others there's no doubt about it right a

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couple with that the administrative the
men are straighter we would have here I

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don't think it would be a full-time job
so obviously we could give them some

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other duties so it would even get more
bang for our dollar that would be one

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thing I would I would like to see us try
to try to do that I'm sure there's

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people here representing those pension
groups so hopefully they can bring that

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up to the boards and get some buy-in on
that but I think would be a great idea

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to move forward with that
Allen is over there typing furiously I

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hope you can get some information on
that back to us okay very good

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and the third thing and it was brought
up tonight I noticed myself that and I

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noticed this in reviewing these
reduction of fees being brought forward

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by developers from $4,500 down to you
know $600 $800 I think what we're

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missing here and looking at those is
there is a extremely a lot more time

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being spent than the $528 you think
about it

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sadi has to prepare that presentation to
this council somebody has to review that

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which I don't believe it's being
factored into the for example the one

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tonight of $528 we all have to review it
ourselves and decide whether it's a good

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move or not so if you think about five
of us the city manager the person

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preparing and putting it on the agenda
it's a lot more than than what we're

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showing what I would like to propose and
we can do it as a recommendation or as a

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motion or however you want to do it but
what I'd like to see is this go to a

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minimum of for example if the cost the
real costs associated with it is less

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than 20 $250 which would be 50% then we
approve that as $2,250 in other words

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that would be the charge instead of
coming out with a $4,500 charge it would

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be 2250 provided it's less than 50% if
there's $1 over 50% which would be over

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twenty two hundred and fifty one dollars
then it would go to the $4,500 and that

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would eliminate us having to review
those every week I think it's just time

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consuming I think it's a waste of our
energy in time and I think it's probably

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a smart move to do that and we would
actually begin compensated for the work

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that's being put into it in addition to
that I think if somebody wants to apply

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and and say that I'd like to get a
release or some relief on the fee even

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if we said is 2250 and they said well
your real dollars is only 1,200 what

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we're showing I'd like to get that
so they wanted to come forward they'd be

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a thousand dollar charge to bring that
forward I think that would eliminate

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these us having to see these going
forward so that would be something that

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I would probably recommend let me play
off that for just a second because I had

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this in my notes we have certain fixed
costs just for turning the lights on

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everyday and staffing and this is
something anybody can do if we they feel

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like they're being overcharged for
something it doesn't matter whether

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you're a developer or a citizen you have
the right to redress that to address

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that with us that's what we're here for
right but one of the things that this

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doesn't account for and we're following
the procedures and the rules as the

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recommendations brought to Council that
are established for bringing it to

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councils the way it is right now so that
way it isn't arbitrary but I do think it

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needs some updating because it doesn't
account for some of those fixed costs

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that we have simply for you know we
we've got to turn the lights on every

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day Allen one of the things that I had
in a playoff jacked one of the things I

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had was do we need to charge a 10%
contingency on top of those things so

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that we account for that I don't want to
rip anybody off if it's costing us X

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dollars to provide this service we
should come close to that with our

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charge
we shouldn't charge if it costs us $50

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to provide water and trash service to
somebody's house we should be charging

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them roughly $50 we shouldn't be
charging up $200 and we try our best to

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set our rates accordingly to do that
this shouldn't be any different but Alan

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I'd like to workshop it and staff could
take a look at some options including

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the ones that Jack just mentioned what I
just mentioned because I think this I

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not I don't want any but I'm not the
business of ripping anybody off but at

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the same time I do want to make sure
that we really are when we take a look

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at these getting full cost recovery and
we need to update well the way we do

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business every once in a while I've said
that a lot this before a lot of things

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probably need to be reviewed once every
five years to make sure that we're

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with current practices because the way
we do business has changed dramatically

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the thing and you think about the amount
of paper we had to push in the 1990s to

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approve one one building permit for one
house or one replacement roof or

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whatever the case might be and we don't
do that anymore and it's about to get

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even better with the implementation of
ERP but now and I think that this is a

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great example something that probably
should workshop bring some options back

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to us at that workshop that we can
discuss as a council that we so that we

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can update our policy yeah and I and I'm
not in business of Brooklyn anybody off

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either that's not the intent obviously I
think you know basically if it's but

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we're charging 4500 dollars and is that
I mean that's a fee that were to amend

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an MDA or PCD it's forty five hundred
bucks so a lot of folks may not know

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there's an option to come forward so
they're paying that $4,500 so in reality

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I just thought it would be closer to do
the fifty percent at twenty two fifty

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and that would mean a minimum and then
if it's over that reasonable when I

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agree maybe a workshop to talk about it
in more detail but this kind of sprung

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on us and it's been I've just noticed it
three or four times since I've been here

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in four or five three four five meetings
so I thought it was something it was

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waking up to a long time with nothing
being built years it seemed like and now

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all of a sudden things are popping again
you're right jack okay it's all I can

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think you've just done in that note for
the workshop one of the discussions that

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we need to you know have with that is to
also realize that a lot of times these

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are very minor amendments and then also
many times the amendments themselves

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actually are a benefit to the community
so we need to be able to have a way to

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lay that out as well because I'd hate
for somebody not to bring an amendment

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forward in fear of having to pay a 440 a
full $4,500 kind of minor change or

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amendment that could be something that's
more beneficial to

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the community and less impactful on
those that are closest you know what I'm

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saying so I just think I think it
workshops a great idea in you know what

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these are things that are always gonna
have to be workshop than this time goes

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on things change and and the in the need
to continually look at that I was

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talking to a resident today about an
unrelated thing but somewhat similar and

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you're talking about fee structures and
we had that very conversation that you

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know this is this is an always an area
that's gonna be constant in review and

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when you charge it a one-size-fit-all
fee jobs at all

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that works for one person it might take
an hour's worth of work for another

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person might take twenty hours were the
work but you've got it you've got to

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have a fee schedule right but I think
you know if you're doing something like

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that you got to go to actual cost sure
you got to figure out what actual costs

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are really it because there's a lot of
coffee ER that we're going through

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there's not really been you know
factored in okay you good yes sir all

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right we just help me knock out one of
the three things I had on my list the

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other mr. burns talked about noise in
the city and making sure that our Police

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Department has the tools that they need
for enforcement I know for a fact that

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there's a certain establishment on Nova
Road that during certain times of the

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year makes a whole lot of noise and can
be heard from miles away and we have

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officers that will go out with with a
noise meter and will cite them but he's

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right that's a fixed point of origin
that the one has of car shows no no I

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won't mention the dog house by name but
I don't want to embarrass anybody but if

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you can hear them quite loudly in my
back yard

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a couple miles away you know and my
neighbors are looking at me like what

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are you doing I'm like but I think that
that's a valid point and I wanted to ask

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you guys I want to make sure first of
all that PD has the tools that they need

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to address it I don't know exactly what
it is Alan maybe you can

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some answers for us what we have and
what we might need and if we need an

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ordinance to improve what we have I
don't know what's on the books where's

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it with state law we might have statutes
and state law I this is not an area of

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expertise for me but if you could come
back and let council know what we have

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versus what we need and this council can
have a conversation about what we can do

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to improve that because these are
quality of life issues and if we can do

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something to improve people's qualities
of life that makes sense and a

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reasonable I want to make sure that we
do that turn does that make sense do you

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guys like to go on record say when the
state ended the inspection program years

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ago that was it yeah yeah decades ago
that probably was a bad thing because

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these are mufflers were one of the
things that was checked during

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inspection and said I have to believe
that state law just because it is state

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law I don't know that that's changed
that property how do you want a system

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and to have a catalytic converter but
you know it's against the law for a

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muffler shop to remove a catalytic
converter to my knowledge so if they're

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doing that then I mean that's not
something we can control but it is a

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fact that people break the law although
times it happens what do we do about it

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that's what I'm exactly yeah we're how
do how does it you know how do you

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address that you certainly can't have an
officer out there following every loud

413
00:44:49,059 --> 00:44:58,599
car around but there's got to be there's
got to be a happy medium somewhere okay

414
00:44:56,410 --> 00:45:05,199
and I just wanted to mention one more
time I was very very happy that we were

415
00:45:03,009 --> 00:45:12,130
able to recognize Mary wittmeyer for her
contributions and 35 years of volunteer

416
00:45:08,019 --> 00:45:15,939
service hey that's not just somebody
working 35 years of one job and

417
00:45:14,229 --> 00:45:19,630
collecting a paycheck it's an incredible
thing

418
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:23,890
this is volunteer service and I think
about what I was doing

419
00:45:21,130 --> 00:45:29,380
yeah I was just a teenager running
around Port Orange in 1983 1984

420
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:32,440
this place is very different she's seen
so many changes I just think that that's

421
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:36,520
an incredible thing
and when I think about what that whole

422
00:45:34,750 --> 00:45:41,319
group of volunteers and police services
does I'm serious if there are people out

423
00:45:39,369 --> 00:45:45,700
there listening you want to be part of
something bigger something better you

424
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:49,359
just want to contribute a few hours a
week they would love to have you

425
00:45:47,890 --> 00:45:55,270
Dwight Galt sitting out there with a
half smile on his face an application

426
00:45:51,790 --> 00:45:59,559
his hand he would love to real you guys
in and we'd absolutely love to have you

427
00:45:57,010 --> 00:46:05,950
it's a fabulous fabulous group of people
it is one of the reasons why they

428
00:46:03,609 --> 00:46:10,690
contribute their contribution to what
we've been named the second safest city

429
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:16,480
in the state there are many many reasons
why we got that ranking and that's

430
00:46:14,050 --> 00:46:20,079
certainly one of them and we a great
group of people anybody wants to be part

431
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:23,470
of that we'd love to have you mayor just
quick comment on that note Saturday

432
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:29,200
night I was at an event here in our
community and in reflection listening to

433
00:46:27,250 --> 00:46:33,250
some of the stories and this is what
event were a lot of community members

434
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:36,309
were being recognized and awarded for
their volunteer service and the things

435
00:46:34,869 --> 00:46:39,940
they do in the community and in
reflection of that you're absolutely

436
00:46:37,780 --> 00:46:43,780
right there are so many ways to
volunteer in the community and one of

437
00:46:42,010 --> 00:46:48,819
the things that we we kind of really
felt the other night was there's a lot

438
00:46:46,059 --> 00:46:52,420
of things that community volunteers can
do that's so much better than what

439
00:46:50,380 --> 00:46:55,900
government can do really can do it they
do it so much better and they do it with

440
00:46:54,130 --> 00:47:00,490
a great sense of pride and compassion
and an effectiveness at it and we are

441
00:46:58,299 --> 00:47:05,589
blessed to have a community that has so
many organizations that are incredibly

442
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:09,339
effective and we we should look for
every opportunity to recognize them as

443
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:14,829
much as we can and and anybody that's
out there you know looking for a way to

444
00:47:11,470 --> 00:47:17,799
get involved or serve just contact any
of us we can point you in a lot of

445
00:47:16,180 --> 00:47:22,810
different directions because there
really are some great organizations and

446
00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:27,250
the vips program is is phenomenal
if you're right the things that they do

447
00:47:25,110 --> 00:47:31,210
people a lot of people think that they
just show up sometimes and they take

448
00:47:29,290 --> 00:47:34,000
paper from one office to the next or
from one building to the next and that's

449
00:47:32,590 --> 00:47:37,210
that's just not even a tip of the
iceberg of what these folks do they get

450
00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:41,740
out there and they're out there and the
Hurricanes and the storms and the fires

451
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:46,360
and the disasters and helping us at
criminal events and crime scenes and

452
00:47:44,170 --> 00:47:51,700
just all kinds of ways to serve and so
it's a fabulous fabulous organization

453
00:47:49,350 --> 00:47:55,120
and it is amazing when we're out there
enjoying family days mm-hmm

454
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:59,500
we're having a great time they're
working it to make sure things go well

455
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:02,860
and that people are safe and they save
this community a tremendous amount of

456
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:10,630
money
I mean it's if we had to pay for all of

457
00:48:05,410 --> 00:48:16,420
that I know well we've doubled we've
doubled Mary what Meyers salary twice

458
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:25,060
they have their fun to do I tried to
write me a ticket the other day and I

459
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:31,060
was gonna ask you to give us an update
on the rain tree on the tree I think I

460
00:48:28,570 --> 00:48:35,260
have some good news so I'm glad you guys
stuck around I'm gonna invite the

461
00:48:33,580 --> 00:48:40,060
Utilities Director up because they were
working on this problem and I think

462
00:48:37,210 --> 00:48:50,560
they've found a solution that will make
people happy for as long as the tree

463
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:55,930
will live Lynn Stevens Public Works
Utilities Director so we we did take

464
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:59,740
quite a bit of input from residents in
the neighborhood we put all the

465
00:48:57,670 --> 00:49:03,760
different options together we met with
the environmental advisory board and and

466
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:10,750
I apologize I'm not sure how those
things get promoted to the public but

467
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:14,950
with input from the environmental
advisory board the final decision was

468
00:49:12,940 --> 00:49:19,939
the tree is going to stay we're not
removing the new tree

469
00:49:16,340 --> 00:49:19,939
[Applause]

470
00:49:20,510 --> 00:49:28,280
yeah we are going to root prune the tree
so that we can restore the pavement and

471
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:33,200
and take some of the big pumps out of
the roadway and make it a little safer

472
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:37,850
entrance and exit I did hear something
about the sign to Raintree

473
00:49:35,150 --> 00:49:42,860
the sign is not the city sign that was
something that was done by the HOA years

474
00:49:40,010 --> 00:49:48,740
ago from what I understand so not
something that we public works we're

475
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:54,440
planning to repair or replace but the
tree is staying we are going to again

476
00:49:51,620 --> 00:50:01,070
ruin the tree replace the concrete
replace the pavement and and that's our

477
00:49:58,070 --> 00:50:06,770
plan well done thank you I'd like to
express my gratitude as well I grew up

478
00:50:03,860 --> 00:50:10,250
down Devon Street right next door to to
Raintree and fond memories driving

479
00:50:08,750 --> 00:50:15,050
through riding my bike through that
neighborhood yeah may have begged one of

480
00:50:12,350 --> 00:50:28,010
your houses at some point it was like
six years old but fond appreciation for

481
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:32,150
that particular neighborhood and mothers
occasionally those trees are good at

482
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:35,630
slowing people down too well we'll do a
better job of getting that information

483
00:50:33,380 --> 00:50:40,040
out to the public on the website I'll
work with Christine and we'll get it out

484
00:50:37,100 --> 00:50:42,220
on social media please do thank you very
much

485
00:50:43,390 --> 00:50:55,400
[Applause]
special Awards reports recognition and

486
00:50:50,960 --> 00:51:09,140
Proclamation item 14 general employees
retirement plan mr. David Leonard he was

487
00:51:04,310 --> 00:51:12,290
hiding behind the VIPs that's a tough
act to follow

488
00:51:10,010 --> 00:51:16,970
save the tree that's good deal like
trees yeah you couldn't you couldn't

489
00:51:13,849 --> 00:51:22,369
come up at a worse time yeah well good
evening everybody

490
00:51:18,339 --> 00:51:27,440
Jack I wanted it cause this second and
address your administrative expense

491
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:32,930
comment just to clarify that that's not
a monolithic number that goes to one

492
00:51:29,780 --> 00:51:38,440
person I can't speak for all the pension
boards but for the general board I can

493
00:51:34,820 --> 00:51:44,000
say that it covers actuary fee which I'm
fond of getting the actual administrator

494
00:51:41,329 --> 00:51:48,800
of the plan who does all the processing
of the distributions and is there for

495
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:53,420
the participants legal fees and also
audit fees so it's not just one person

496
00:51:51,260 --> 00:51:59,750
it would be hard to replace me I'm sure
they're all that way but I don't know

497
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:05,329
it's the same way it's a combination of
all those jobs ask the question so we

498
00:52:03,230 --> 00:52:08,119
get answers I'm assuming regardless of
who administers the plan you still got

499
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:12,440
to do an audit he's still got to do the
actuarial work so absolutely yeah

500
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:16,040
absolutely and and they're not all equal
in terms of the fees but you know

501
00:52:14,930 --> 00:52:23,349
they're all being done very
professionally I might see them all soon

502
00:52:19,540 --> 00:52:27,770
so I'm here to report on the 2018
valuation report which we finished about

503
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:34,520
we really finished it a couple months
ago presented it to the board in March

504
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:42,380
and first of all it was a good year for
the pension plan I'm showing on the on

505
00:52:39,619 --> 00:52:48,740
the screen here the 2017 numbers I'm
going to flip over we were 84% funded in

506
00:52:44,990 --> 00:52:55,089
the plan as of September 30th 2017 moved
to 18 that jumped up to 89 percent

507
00:52:50,780 --> 00:53:00,780
funded the assets and the liabilities
both grew the assets are shown here by

508
00:52:58,849 --> 00:53:05,040
the gray boxes on
on the chart and the liabilities by the

509
00:53:03,450 --> 00:53:11,220
blue so you can see that both have been
growing that the liabilities are

510
00:53:06,930 --> 00:53:15,210
starting to level off the light blue
line on the graph there is the history

511
00:53:12,750 --> 00:53:21,240
of the funded ratio and that has
improved from the low 60% in 2009 at the

512
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:25,920
beginning of the chart all the way up to
89% today and that improvement occurred

513
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:30,720
even though we've tightened up the
assumptions by reducing the interest

514
00:53:28,170 --> 00:53:41,150
rate during that period so that's that's
a good sign - 89 % is a it's a pretty

515
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:45,990
good funded ratio for these kind of this
slide has the contribution summary and

516
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:49,830
also the benefit payment summary and
they go hand in hand it's it's good to

517
00:53:47,940 --> 00:53:53,280
look at them together the gray boxes are
the city's contributions the blue boxes

518
00:53:51,900 --> 00:53:58,500
if you can see them are what the
employees contribute to the plan and the

519
00:53:56,430 --> 00:54:02,730
light blue line above there's two lines
of yellow line and a blue line the light

520
00:54:00,420 --> 00:54:07,020
blue line there are the benefit payment
so you can see the benefit payments have

521
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:13,650
been on the way up and the contributions
have been on the way down the gap has

522
00:54:10,890 --> 00:54:18,750
has grown but that is actually what the
trust assets are for so we keep track of

523
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:24,270
the differential there and some people
tend to get concerned but that's why we

524
00:54:21,540 --> 00:54:30,600
have a trust fund and putting the money
away so that when people retire it'll be

525
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:36,630
there for them and we'll discuss the
future of how have a contribution bars

526
00:54:33,540 --> 00:54:45,990
will go a little bit further down in the
presentation this is a summary of the

527
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:51,060
plan participants the gray are the
active participants in the plan and the

528
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:54,540
dark blue are the retirees the light
blue of people that terminated with

529
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:59,070
vested benefits so you can see here that
the the retiree dark Blues have been

530
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:06,840
growing and the Grays have been
shrinking the yellow line on the chart

531
00:55:04,050 --> 00:55:10,920
is the salary base which is what we
based the contributions on and that's

532
00:55:08,430 --> 00:55:15,910
also shrinking obviously with the with
the number of actives and now

533
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:19,840
probably as of a half hour from an hour
and how that works will be closed

534
00:55:17,620 --> 00:55:27,700
completely to new members so that grade
will continue to shrink one one aspect

535
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:34,420
of the plan that that's interesting to
me anyway this is a fairly young planet

536
00:55:30,910 --> 00:55:39,430
started in 2003 so even though there's a
lot of retirees they're actually a very

537
00:55:36,460 --> 00:55:43,690
young retiree group the plan has a early
retirement feature and the average age

538
00:55:41,650 --> 00:55:49,480
of the retirees right now is about sixty
seven and a half years old so that means

539
00:55:48,310 --> 00:56:01,000
they're gonna be collecting for a long
time this slide shows the investment

540
00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:04,630
performance historically the last three
years you can see have been have been

541
00:56:02,710 --> 00:56:09,160
very good double-digit returns the last
three years and there's two lines on

542
00:56:07,780 --> 00:56:14,260
there there's a blue line and a yellow
line the blue line represents the market

543
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:17,380
value return so you can see that's kind
of all over the lot even though it's

544
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:21,970
been you know generally been very good
and the yellow line is something that we

545
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:28,420
call the valuation assets and just a
real quick I don't want to make

546
00:56:23,260 --> 00:56:35,500
actuaries out of it but yeah it's it's
not my goal with any of my clients what

547
00:56:31,180 --> 00:56:40,420
we do one of our main goals is to help
the city budget it be as stable as

548
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:46,390
possible with these contributions and I
know that they do vary some and using

549
00:56:44,140 --> 00:56:50,140
these smooth valuations as assets is one
of the ways we do it what we do is we

550
00:56:48,130 --> 00:56:55,300
recognize those ups and downs of the
fluctuation of market value over several

551
00:56:52,810 --> 00:57:00,160
years if you look at the valuation
report carefully in it I know you all

552
00:56:57,190 --> 00:57:04,450
did you'll see that the trust assets
that we use in our calculations is more

553
00:57:02,590 --> 00:57:08,500
than two million dollars less than the
actual market value and somebody might

554
00:57:06,820 --> 00:57:13,570
look at that and say well use the market
value because we want our contributions

555
00:57:10,330 --> 00:57:19,360
to be less but the idea is we're kind of
saving for a rainy day so that when you

556
00:57:16,570 --> 00:57:23,560
have a bad year and 2019 you know you've
all seen what what happened in the

557
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:26,890
fourth quarter of 2018 that's our first
quarter for the fiscal year when you

558
00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:33,400
have a bed
here it doesn't impact next year's

559
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:40,839
evaluation you know we were able to look
ahead and even if this year the the

560
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:45,640
value or the market value is flat zero
percent will still have gains as far as

561
00:57:43,839 --> 00:57:50,769
the actual reports concerned things to
help keep the contribution stable this

562
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:57,930
year through six months through March
31st the trust fund is at a loss of less

563
00:57:54,940 --> 00:58:08,230
than 1% which is is really pretty good
considering how bad the fourth quarter

564
00:58:00,609 --> 00:58:13,660
was and this slide just shows a few
composite returns the graphs the same

565
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:18,220
graph our three-year composites over
eleven percent five-year 9.25 and ten

566
00:58:16,450 --> 00:58:25,029
years which is really a pretty long time
and investment terms is 8.05 percent so

567
00:58:23,710 --> 00:58:29,170
you might say okay we have a 7 percent
assumption we're beating that assumption

568
00:58:26,769 --> 00:58:33,700
on a 10-year basis that's great what
does you know what is the future hold

569
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:37,930
for this plan since it's completely
closed down to new members that the plan

570
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:41,500
is going to continue to mature and what
that means is there's going to be a

571
00:58:39,819 --> 00:58:47,220
larger discrepancy every year between
the benefits and the contributions and

572
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:53,980
the seller base will continue to shrink
even though the assets about perform the

573
00:58:50,589 --> 00:58:57,880
7 percent yield regularly we there are
certain pressures to to maybe to

574
00:58:55,930 --> 00:59:01,750
decrease that assumption when you just
decrease an interest assumption what

575
00:58:59,589 --> 00:59:08,500
happens is the need for contributions
goes up and a couple of reasons why we

576
00:59:06,609 --> 00:59:14,259
might want to consider decreasing it is
that we've been you know 10 years 8 8%

577
00:59:12,279 --> 00:59:19,420
it's been kind of a historic bull market
and there's obviously signs that that

578
00:59:16,599 --> 00:59:25,930
may be over but maybe a bigger reason is
that our cash flow needs and our

579
00:59:22,690 --> 00:59:31,000
investment advisor has told us this the
cash flow needs dictate a more

580
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:36,970
conservative portfolio meaning less risk
and probably lower returns so the

581
00:59:35,410 --> 00:59:42,460
question is should we reduce the 7%
interest and we've been talking about it

582
00:59:38,710 --> 00:59:50,500
and we'll see what what comes of that we
might wait to do it we might see how the

583
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:56,230
markets go I did do some searching and a
a nationwide study of public retirement

584
00:59:53,080 --> 01:00:00,730
plan shows that having a 7% assumption
it's kind of in the lower third the

585
00:59:58,540 --> 01:00:05,830
median across the country is seven point
two eight so we're below that the state

586
01:00:02,770 --> 01:00:12,300
of Florida has an annual survey that
they publish in 334 out of 485 some

587
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:19,599
municipal in Florida have higher than 7%
so obviously we've already taken some

588
01:00:15,820 --> 01:00:23,260
steps to be conservative with that but
being wrong with the pact is it's not

589
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:27,820
really our goal we want to try and do it
right so we'll keep keep our eyes open

590
01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:33,880
and see what happens what we don't want
to do is pass you know the burden of an

591
01:00:31,210 --> 01:00:40,720
underfunded plan on to future
generations so that that's what we're

592
01:00:35,980 --> 01:00:45,490
always looking out for this is more gear
on this is your board customers don't

593
01:00:43,900 --> 01:00:53,940
worry yep Scott why don't we start with
you you did what I think you did a great

594
01:00:47,740 --> 01:00:57,040
job explaining all that as far as the
board itself

595
01:00:55,720 --> 01:01:02,290
I was just say that of a there's some
great creation on there and folks were

596
01:00:58,930 --> 01:01:08,599
hired to manage these funds and do these
reports have done a great job for us

597
01:01:05,450 --> 01:01:12,980
recovery of the plan of the last few
years has trended in the right direction

598
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:18,619
so that's that's been a relief to see
and but I do think I think the assumed

599
01:01:16,220 --> 01:01:22,790
rate of returns that were my my caution
my concerns are you know if you go back

600
01:01:21,230 --> 01:01:26,780
twenty twenty-five years ago everybody
the state was looking for eight and a

601
01:01:24,319 --> 01:01:30,500
half percent some places even higher for
return those are just unrealistic and

602
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:34,730
and you know you could look at these
things in five year increments or twenty

603
01:01:32,119 --> 01:01:39,049
year increments or however I'd like to
look at them more so a twenty year ten

604
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:43,700
years of great snapshot but these things
are these things take a long time and

605
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:47,180
they're they gotta be they're
sustainable for a really really long

606
01:01:45,410 --> 01:01:52,010
time and I think that assumed rate of
return is as a topic of discussion that

607
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:56,839
this council and future councils will
need to continue to look at the state

608
01:01:54,319 --> 01:02:00,619
can is continue to trend down what their
assume rate of returns rather than the

609
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:04,880
FRS seven and eight seven and a quarter
now they're around they're down they're

610
01:02:02,299 --> 01:02:08,450
30 yeah I think we've been I think we've
done the right thing incrementally

611
01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:12,950
bringing those assumed rate of returns
down to the benefit of the plan to the

612
01:02:10,910 --> 01:02:17,000
sustainability for sure and the the
assumed interest rate is really the most

613
01:02:15,049 --> 01:02:20,990
important assumption one of the things
the state of Florida has us do some

614
01:02:19,069 --> 01:02:26,420
separate calculations and we have to
file those and I actually did them today

615
01:02:23,589 --> 01:02:29,990
at a five percent what if we assume five
percent or the cost of the plan would go

616
01:02:28,190 --> 01:02:35,630
from twenty three percent of a to fifty
percent of pay so you know for that two

617
01:02:32,780 --> 01:02:40,549
percent job now in our business a two
percent change in interest rates is

618
01:02:37,309 --> 01:02:45,980
considered really drastic but you know
what if we had to go to five percent

619
01:02:43,030 --> 01:02:52,280
this is probably statistically speaking
the best performing of the three plans

620
01:02:48,049 --> 01:02:56,329
as far as history and also I mean at our
funding status and the like and this is

621
01:02:54,200 --> 01:03:01,849
the one where percentage-wise we're
making the least controversial

622
01:02:57,829 --> 01:03:06,710
controversial to per employee and
there's there's a lot of good news out

623
01:03:03,740 --> 01:03:12,799
of this but I would challenge the board
to continue asking the right questions

624
01:03:09,530 --> 01:03:17,900
because and staying on top of that
because making a bad thing good is good

625
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:20,900
but keeping a good thing and making it
great sometimes

626
01:03:19,099 --> 01:03:26,900
even harder and that's what we're
looking for is excellence true yeah the

627
01:03:24,229 --> 01:03:33,670
Dave the the ten year that three five
and ten year number was that net or was

628
01:03:29,779 --> 01:03:37,819
that net of fees I believe its net of
administrative fees but non investment

629
01:03:35,900 --> 01:03:43,460
no yeah well of course but the other fit
okay so yeah and then you have a plan

630
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:49,970
well in 18 it was eighty nine percent I
would imagine with the 0.67 loss were

631
01:03:45,859 --> 01:03:55,160
probably guess in 83 or 84 percent hey I
mean it I know it took a hit but it

632
01:03:52,999 --> 01:03:59,269
probably wasn't a tremendous it's not
gonna be a tremendous hit okay that that

633
01:03:57,349 --> 01:04:06,529
particular measure is on the market
value it's yeah I yeah so it's going to

634
01:04:02,539 --> 01:04:10,519
take it from so and and when it earned
zero it doesn't mean it's gonna hold

635
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:15,319
steady because we're assuming it's gonna
rinse it yeah correct and and you know a

636
01:04:13,549 --> 01:04:22,849
lot of people have that eighty percent
funded ratio as a healthy plan and we're

637
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:27,650
so above that so the plan is is a good
one obviously all the plans have shown

638
01:04:25,759 --> 01:04:33,979
great improvement since 2010 in the
funded ratio it's not just us when

639
01:04:29,719 --> 01:04:39,680
they've all gone up and so it's you know
encouraging but you know you have to be

640
01:04:36,099 --> 01:04:44,089
able to you have to be prepared for when
there's gonna be when the market crashes

641
01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:49,700
or takes a hit you know we're gonna have
those downs we're enjoying a lot of ups

642
01:04:46,849 --> 01:04:53,349
right now we you know ahead of us could
be plenty of downs and and you know the

643
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:58,430
plans are prepared for that so
appreciate it Dave you mean it's not a

644
01:04:55,219 --> 01:05:02,960
straight line up I wish I wish chase
yeah no I'm happy to super-rad Scott hit

645
01:05:01,130 --> 01:05:07,160
it well I was going to remark the same
thing about our assumed rate and I

646
01:05:04,819 --> 01:05:11,839
appreciated that direction last year I
mean I've always going to want to err on

647
01:05:08,450 --> 01:05:15,780
the side of a conservative evaluation
even

648
01:05:12,700 --> 01:05:22,859
that means more than a pocket from us
I'll appreciate that that continued

649
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:29,859
guidance and direction thank you
Jack yeah Thank You Jamie just dressing

650
01:05:28,210 --> 01:05:40,170
administrative fee I think there's
Seabreacher actuary for the

651
01:05:31,750 --> 01:05:46,210
administrator for the auditors right so
regarding the funding of the the

652
01:05:42,819 --> 01:05:52,089
unfunded liability and maybe you can
shine some light on it I always look at

653
01:05:47,650 --> 01:05:58,569
a deserve advantage too I don't like
debt number one but is there a way to

654
01:05:55,410 --> 01:06:02,079
look at that from a bonding standpoint
with the via savings in that you bonded

655
01:06:00,579 --> 01:06:06,940
that unfunded liability and got away
from that that would be something that

656
01:06:05,230 --> 01:06:11,200
would you'd need some analysis but
assuming you could you could bond at a

657
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:16,780
lower interest rate obviously we're
assuming seven I don't think that's

658
01:06:14,770 --> 01:06:22,329
necessarily the right thing to compare
to so you could issue a bond at three or

659
01:06:18,549 --> 01:06:27,670
four it would just have to be a kind of
a financial analysis by the city to see

660
01:06:24,700 --> 01:06:30,640
if it would rather do that because you
can bring it to one hundred percent

661
01:06:28,569 --> 01:06:34,720
funded but then what's it going to be
next year I just know it's a big number

662
01:06:33,670 --> 01:06:37,750
so when you're looking at that much
money you want to see if there's I mean

663
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:42,910
a half percent would make a huge
difference

664
01:06:38,430 --> 01:06:47,049
so one percent would be right because
something to look at think about yeah

665
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:50,380
thank you very much appreciate thank you
thanks for coming

666
01:06:47,829 --> 01:06:54,579
appreciate you coming every year this
has been a point of emphasis with all

667
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:58,089
our pension boards and the fact that you
guys are willing to spend a little time

668
01:06:56,049 --> 01:07:02,920
with us to make sure that we have a
comfort level with a whole lot of data

669
01:07:00,970 --> 01:07:05,980
appreciate the time yeah we try and
break it down and make it understandable

670
01:07:04,299 --> 01:07:08,800
that's that's one of the best parts of
the job good job

671
01:07:07,150 --> 01:07:13,069
thank you
more deployments interviews reports item

672
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:22,369
15 citizen advisory committee from the
TP oh let's just say I know I saw Bobby

673
01:07:17,300 --> 01:07:28,190
ball somewhere we've all at the CSC for
the TPO we had our monthly meeting this

674
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:32,240
week heard today actually and the agenda
was pretty short so I'll be brief but

675
01:07:30,740 --> 01:07:36,260
the one thing I wanted to mention is
something we've talked about before up

676
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:39,859
here which is the PD me study going on
for the interchange at Pioneer Trail and

677
01:07:38,930 --> 01:07:45,980
95
there is a public workshop meeting on

678
01:07:42,980 --> 01:07:52,329
April 30th at 5:30 at the Brandon Center
in Houston Myrna so that's really for

679
01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:56,180
you and everybody behind me with that
actually they did give a presentation

680
01:07:54,290 --> 01:08:00,170
today the PD new study itself a brief
one and there are three options

681
01:07:57,470 --> 01:08:03,460
alternatives for the on and off ramps so
if you get an opportunity might be good

682
01:08:02,450 --> 01:08:14,299
to take a look at this
I'm sure it's available online and the

683
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:17,540
TP o--'s website as well they showed us
four five options they've narrowed it

684
01:08:16,190 --> 01:08:21,589
down to three is that because the land
acquisition plan probably through the

685
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:24,500
process of the PD nice yeah some of
those options look at me environmental

686
01:08:22,969 --> 01:08:28,270
the acquisition and the environmental
impacts could be much more significant

687
01:08:31,569 --> 01:08:42,380
that was an easy one for you try
sometimes swift and painless you got all

688
01:08:36,170 --> 01:08:46,969
these numbers talking going on I'm
sixteen environmental advisory board

689
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:53,449
appointments we have two openings just
wanted to let council know of the five

690
01:08:50,319 --> 01:09:00,109
applicants that we have to choose from I
got a call this morning from Joe fazzy

691
01:08:55,699 --> 01:09:06,469
and Joe said that it has been very
difficult for him since taking a new job

692
01:09:02,810 --> 01:09:12,199
to show up and that he is withdrawing
his name he does it with trepidation

693
01:09:10,009 --> 01:09:17,210
because he's enjoyed he enjoys doing it
but right now he needs he feels like he

694
01:09:14,929 --> 01:09:21,270
needs to take a step back because his
personal situation has changed and would

695
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:25,650
certainly like to
be considered later on in the future

696
01:09:23,370 --> 01:09:29,250
when things change for him but I thanked
him first service and I appreciated him

697
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:36,570
reaching out to me and letting me know
so that takes us down to four names we

698
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:41,790
have two openings at this point any of
the nominees or I'm sorry we don't have

699
01:09:39,060 --> 01:09:48,060
nominees yet before we accept any
nominations the people who have applied

700
01:09:45,810 --> 01:09:54,210
Christina berry Michael Anderson
Michael Arminio and Jonathan Foley if

701
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:57,990
any one of them would like to come and
address us in advance and tell us why

702
01:09:56,160 --> 01:10:03,210
you'd like to do this otherwise council
will continue to deliberate and make

703
01:09:59,460 --> 01:10:15,840
nominations are Annie here at this point
in time where we have like good evening

704
01:10:12,810 --> 01:10:21,330
board miss Robert Roberts my name is
Michael Anderson and I volunteered for

705
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:26,190
the environmental advisory board a
little bit about myself I'm from Ocala

706
01:10:23,610 --> 01:10:31,680
Florida born and raised left there to
join the military the Navy for your vet

707
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:36,080
go now the Navy went to the University
of Florida obtaining bachelor's in

708
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:43,170
agricultural and environmental
engineering with a specialization and

709
01:10:39,420 --> 01:10:51,750
Water Resources Conservation got out of
college and got mine license as a civil

710
01:10:47,130 --> 01:10:59,520
engineer and worked very many projects
over my career since 2001 doing a lot of

711
01:10:54,990 --> 01:11:06,810
dris commercial development residential
development subdivisions and I

712
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:11,970
volunteered for the Palm Coast planning
and land development regulation board in

713
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:17,850
the mid-2000s while I was there I helped
them write and implement their first

714
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:23,190
unified land development code and served
there until I moved away from Palm Coast

715
01:11:19,820 --> 01:11:33,570
I am a one of your former community
development engineers from 2012 to 2014

716
01:11:30,500 --> 01:11:38,789
Matt Jones and I
wrote the land development code for your

717
01:11:36,809 --> 01:11:45,780
flood plain compensating storage
requirements and we got that implemented

718
01:11:41,250 --> 01:11:51,869
by the board so and I'm also a licensed
contractor so I've seen a lot of

719
01:11:48,900 --> 01:11:55,639
development throughout my career from
both sides or from all three I say all

720
01:11:54,030 --> 01:12:04,920
three sides of the spectrum the design
the regulation side and the construction

721
01:11:58,860 --> 01:12:09,840
side I with my special specialization in
Water Resources I see that Port Orange

722
01:12:07,260 --> 01:12:15,840
is unique and they have a unique
resource here meaning the water

723
01:12:12,119 --> 01:12:22,969
resources they have I've taken a
particular interest in Spruce Creek I

724
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:28,170
live down in River wood and experienced
pretty serious situations going through

725
01:12:26,429 --> 01:12:33,360
the railroad trestles in my boat you
have done some significant damage over

726
01:12:30,659 --> 01:12:39,389
the last month and a half or so I've
probably gotten a lot farther with

727
01:12:36,420 --> 01:12:44,039
trying to get to some sort of solution
to that project then certain public

728
01:12:42,449 --> 01:12:51,300
groups you know that are organized
trying to work on that project so I

729
01:12:47,670 --> 01:12:56,730
think with my qualifications and
experience and connections you know the

730
01:12:55,110 --> 01:13:01,469
marketing that you know the networking
I've done it throughout my career I

731
01:12:58,380 --> 01:13:07,400
would be an asset to Port Orange on the
environmental advisory board and you try

732
01:13:05,039 --> 01:13:17,010
to help do it what's right with
sustainable development well we have

733
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:23,099
them up here no questions but thank you
for your service thank you appreciate it

734
01:13:19,380 --> 01:13:32,389
thank you thank you any other candidates
here for that position there being none

735
01:13:26,670 --> 01:13:32,389
ah he's hiding over in the corner

736
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:40,489
tell sue yard why you think qualified
yeah mayor City Council say staff my

737
01:13:38,449 --> 01:13:44,750
name is Jonathan Foley and for those who
don't know I've lived in Port Orange for

738
01:13:41,929 --> 01:13:52,969
23 years I've grown up alongside this
town and my interest in being on the EAB

739
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:56,719
comes from wanting to see a little bit
of balance when it comes to measures I

740
01:13:54,980 --> 01:14:00,260
think it's important that we work
hand-in-hand to take care of our

741
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:04,219
environment take care of what we've been
blessed with here in terms of our city

742
01:14:02,060 --> 01:14:09,080
while also making sure we don't overstep
when it comes to regulation that we put

743
01:14:06,469 --> 01:14:13,790
on businesses so I have concerns about
that and I would like to lend my voice

744
01:14:11,510 --> 01:14:19,639
and offer to volunteer to be a part of
this I'm kind of an active person I like

745
01:14:18,170 --> 01:14:25,639
to get out and I like to shake hands and
meet people I attended the EAB meeting

746
01:14:22,639 --> 01:14:30,679
recently about the Raintree situation
and I took it upon myself just as a

747
01:14:28,159 --> 01:14:34,850
citizen to meet a handful of residents
and kind of discuss it with them and

748
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:39,260
that's my approach to anything I get
involved in like be active and I like to

749
01:14:37,219 --> 01:14:43,040
make sure that I'm actually going out
and meeting with the people who were

750
01:14:40,610 --> 01:14:52,460
affecting so I appreciate your
consideration and your time and I hope

751
01:14:44,989 --> 01:14:57,679
you'll consider me get everybody who's
present okay

752
01:14:53,659 --> 01:15:01,130
Azura I'm curious as to is there as to
why someone so some of the others are

753
01:14:59,510 --> 01:15:06,730
not here has there been an explanation
I'm just curious as to if anybody have

754
01:15:04,190 --> 01:15:06,730
been informed

755
01:15:07,019 --> 01:15:16,679
okay okay I just like to know that
sometimes you just don't know the answer

756
01:15:12,899 --> 01:15:22,589
to that because they're not here to give
you that answer no with that we have two

757
01:15:19,409 --> 01:15:28,589
positions council nominations are now
open we could nominate one at a time or

758
01:15:25,649 --> 01:15:34,469
two I'm gonna take all the nominations
that you have if you have one two three

759
01:15:31,139 --> 01:15:39,329
four well being I'll start out doesn't
matter being prison oh go ahead I like

760
01:15:36,599 --> 01:15:46,289
to mount them all at once and we have we
have two two people here for two

761
01:15:41,909 --> 01:15:51,269
positions for applicants total I'd like
to nominate John Donne Foley to serve

762
01:15:48,029 --> 01:15:59,159
for one of the positions second we have
a nomination for mr. Jonathan Foley okay

763
01:15:54,809 --> 01:16:03,479
I'll nominate Michael for the Bible
Michael Anderson Anderson for the second

764
01:16:01,139 --> 01:16:13,639
position second we have a motion second
are there any other nominations one one

765
01:16:11,279 --> 01:16:19,229
last call any other nominations
nominations are now closed we have two

766
01:16:16,469 --> 01:16:23,189
nominees for two positions so there is
no need for a paper ballot all in favor

767
01:16:21,449 --> 01:16:27,779
signify by saying it now you know what
let's do a vote voice vote on each one

768
01:16:25,169 --> 01:16:35,069
of them let's do a voice walk those
point both vote yay or nay on the

769
01:16:32,909 --> 01:16:39,989
appointment of mr. Michael Anderson the
city clerk could take over this yeah

770
01:16:36,989 --> 01:16:45,659
good work could call the roll before
before I really spoil this thing which

771
01:16:44,549 --> 01:17:00,049
one is this which one
Michael Anderson I'm going alphabetical

772
01:16:48,659 --> 01:17:00,049
yes yes yes yes yes five Oh

773
01:17:00,139 --> 01:17:15,639
and for the nomination of mr. Jonathan
Foley yes yes yes yes new doesn't matter

774
01:17:15,699 --> 01:17:23,210
wait till these people find out how much
the pay is for this lot of they are

775
01:17:20,210 --> 01:17:30,020
addition they already know next year
will double their pay appreciate that

776
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:40,369
public hearing item 17 second reading of
ordinance number 2019 - 6 an ordinance

777
01:17:36,610 --> 01:17:42,650
hornist number 2019 - 6 is an ordinance
of the city of Port Orange Felicia

778
01:17:41,480 --> 01:17:46,730
County Florida mending the Code of
Ordinances chapter 54 article 6 relating

779
01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:53,869
to the 2003 general Employees Retirement
System amending the code sections 54 - 1

780
01:17:50,239 --> 01:18:00,050
4 7 & 54 - 1 6 - providing for pension
participation and contributions pursuant

781
01:17:55,940 --> 01:18:03,650
to plan documents for each 401 a and 457
plan providing for codification

782
01:18:02,030 --> 01:18:08,929
providing for conflicting ordinances
providing for severability and providing

783
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:15,350
for a second providing for an effective
date through the prove ordinance number

784
01:18:11,119 --> 01:18:22,159
2 0 1 9 - 6 now second we have a motion
we have a second one anybody here care

785
01:18:16,940 --> 01:18:27,880
to speak to this there being none
council comments there being none call

786
01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:37,719
the roll please
yes yes yes yes yes five Oh

787
01:18:38,820 --> 01:18:46,800
that brings us to you know what and Dave
Leonhard said it'd take us half an hour

788
01:18:42,750 --> 01:18:53,130
to get to that what was he wrong second
reading more December 2019 - 14 that

789
01:18:51,420 --> 01:18:56,190
it's a second reading of the first
amendment to the catfish Commons plan

790
01:18:54,840 --> 01:19:02,969
commercial development master
development plan ordinance number 2019 -

791
01:19:00,900 --> 01:19:05,460
14 is an ordinance of the city of Port
Arthur Lucien County Florida proving the

792
01:19:04,500 --> 01:19:08,219
first amendment of the master
development agreement for catfish

793
01:19:06,630 --> 01:19:12,840
Commons playing commercial development
and conceptual development plan for

794
01:19:09,630 --> 01:19:17,670
approximately plus or minus 1.5 3 acres
generally located at forty eighty-five

795
01:19:14,639 --> 01:19:21,750
Ridgewood Avenue and 4108 Halifax Drive
providing for conflicting ordinances

796
01:19:19,619 --> 01:19:28,980
severability and an effective date
motion to approve or December 2 0 1 9 -

797
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:33,090
14 now second you have a motion a second
item is on the floor second reading when

798
01:19:30,570 --> 01:19:35,570
anyone here care to speak to this come
on up Robert

799
01:19:40,420 --> 01:19:53,750
mayor councilmembers Robert Ryan Hagan
1425 text urban north text drive sorry

800
01:19:51,220 --> 01:19:59,720
you know I went back and reread the
exhibits and one thing that I still

801
01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:05,960
don't understand and which I did have
did not hear any comments on it the last

802
01:20:01,850 --> 01:20:11,090
time had to do with the conceptual
development plan in this exhibit one the

803
01:20:09,650 --> 01:20:16,910
first amendment
it replaces the exhibit B with a new

804
01:20:14,750 --> 01:20:25,760
exhibit B and I have copies of the
Exhibit B the original Exhibit B shows a

805
01:20:22,690 --> 01:20:35,240
future events lawn where they're
currently is a restaurant now the second

806
01:20:31,310 --> 01:20:40,490
one does not still shows the restaurant
does not show that the events lon so I

807
01:20:38,780 --> 01:20:47,000
don't know if they drop to that of the
thing out of the program or not because

808
01:20:44,540 --> 01:20:52,010
it's still when you read the words it
still talks about the event lawn and all

809
01:20:50,060 --> 01:20:56,480
the events such as the farmers markets
and the races and things that'll be done

810
01:20:54,170 --> 01:21:02,120
there so I think it needs to be
clarified whether the event lawn is

811
01:20:58,940 --> 01:21:11,360
still in or it has dropped out with the
the new exhibit the another thing that

812
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:16,250
is of concern is the setback the the
building setbacks from the roadway a

813
01:21:14,060 --> 01:21:21,830
couple of them were reduced from 10 feet
to 5 feet and I heard no discussion

814
01:21:19,310 --> 01:21:30,950
about that and I'm sort of concerned you
know about the 5 feet it doesn't seem

815
01:21:24,380 --> 01:21:37,940
like very much setback and then the the
other thing of concern had to do with

816
01:21:33,590 --> 01:21:45,560
the floating dock again it's it it talks
about providing 35 spaces and then the

817
01:21:42,650 --> 01:21:53,000
amendment changes it down to 29 spaces
to be available for the floating dock no

818
01:21:49,700 --> 01:21:59,480
comments about why that was done or
whether you really want to do that and

819
01:21:55,630 --> 01:22:04,670
then the final thing of concern has to
do with the waiver of future city

820
01:22:01,250 --> 01:22:13,310
submittal fees I would strongly
recommend against that I just generally

821
01:22:08,449 --> 01:22:18,830
object to waivers of fees and this is a
CRA as far as I understand it's a

822
01:22:16,190 --> 01:22:28,760
redevelopment area so there should be
plenty of built-in incentives to get

823
01:22:23,290 --> 01:22:36,260
somebody to expand and to offer a fee
reduction to as an additional incentive

824
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:42,199
I think is going overboard and if it's a
good idea to do it then it should be

825
01:22:38,510 --> 01:22:45,080
built into the CRA structure and not a
separate thing so my three minutes are

826
01:22:44,660 --> 01:22:53,030
up
thank you so much fairies Robert anyone

827
01:22:48,770 --> 01:22:58,850
else care to speak to this there being
none back to council questions Scott no

828
01:22:56,330 --> 01:23:15,329
drew no there's the second reading I'm
good chase okay no case call the roll

829
01:23:05,350 --> 01:23:23,900
yes yes yes yes okay
I was gonna make you sweat for just a

830
01:23:16,949 --> 01:23:35,670
second thank you good luck with it
that brings us to item 19 item 19 his

831
01:23:33,269 --> 01:23:39,869
second reading of ordinance number 2019
- 15 nor Ness of the city Port Orange

832
01:23:38,219 --> 01:23:43,679
Volusia County Florida mending the land
development code chapter 9 relating to

833
01:23:41,670 --> 01:23:47,730
updating requirements for the tree
survey and tree mitigation payment

834
01:23:45,449 --> 01:23:51,739
requirements providing for repeal of
conflicting ordinances providing for

835
01:23:49,380 --> 01:24:03,380
civility and provided for a second
providing for an effective date motion

836
01:23:57,210 --> 01:24:08,909
to approve ordinance number 2 0 1 9 - 15
I'll second we have a motion second

837
01:24:06,420 --> 01:24:14,849
there's a second reading generally
speaking there aren't a lot of comments

838
01:24:10,619 --> 01:24:19,230
on second reading but it because there
are a lot of people here that are

839
01:24:16,139 --> 01:24:23,940
interested in the subject Alan can we
have somebody just give a quick recap of

840
01:24:20,999 --> 01:24:29,550
what this is accomplishing see this is
how good we are I don't even have to ask

841
01:24:25,590 --> 01:24:33,900
good evening Penelope Cruz planning so
back in July of last year the

842
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:38,699
environment very mental Advisory Board
had a series of recommendations for

843
01:24:36,389 --> 01:24:41,969
amendments they thought were needed to
the land development code chapter 9 in

844
01:24:40,349 --> 01:24:45,690
chapter 13 with regards to tree
preservation and landscaping those

845
01:24:44,219 --> 01:24:49,469
recommendations were bought before the
City Council in October and a workshop

846
01:24:47,550 --> 01:24:54,539
and staff was directed to move forward
with with the set of amendments so the

847
01:24:53,010 --> 01:24:59,309
amendments are being brought forward in
a series this is part two but back in

848
01:24:57,360 --> 01:25:04,409
February we finished part 1 which dealt
with some things and with landscaping on

849
01:25:01,349 --> 01:25:09,090
smaller Lots in Chapter 13 this is part
2 of the amendment this is chapter 9 of

850
01:25:07,170 --> 01:25:13,650
the land development code with regards
to tree preservation this part 2

851
01:25:11,639 --> 01:25:18,840
addresses basically two things tree
mitigation and tree surveys the first

852
01:25:16,230 --> 01:25:22,969
item basically just increases the amount
of mitigation that would be required it

853
01:25:20,789 --> 01:25:28,450
doesn't change the tree preservation
requirements but it does require more

854
01:25:25,499 --> 01:25:32,950
trees to be mitigated for so the code
we has a certain standard for how many

855
01:25:31,300 --> 01:25:37,450
trees are required to be saved on a
property when it's being developed that

856
01:25:35,110 --> 01:25:42,640
doesn't change but what it does do is it
it states now that you can still remove

857
01:25:40,570 --> 01:25:46,450
the same number of trees however you
have to mitigate for all of them whether

858
01:25:44,500 --> 01:25:50,950
that be through the mitigation bank or
through tree replacement so it's kind of

859
01:25:49,270 --> 01:25:55,150
like an encouragement to try to preserve
more existing trees rather than

860
01:25:52,810 --> 01:25:59,590
replanting the second piece of it is
with regards to tree surveys there was

861
01:25:57,610 --> 01:26:02,890
two standards in our code one for site
plans and one for subdivisions and it

862
01:26:01,270 --> 01:26:05,200
constantly caused confusion with the
development community because we

863
01:26:03,940 --> 01:26:09,130
wouldn't get the right survey for the
right application so it just it just

864
01:26:07,420 --> 01:26:13,570
clarified and simplified it and made it
one standard to be able to get the

865
01:26:11,530 --> 01:26:16,930
majority the more data than what one of
them was requiring so that we can

866
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:20,080
capture all the data on trees and make
sure everything is properly mitigated so

867
01:26:18,670 --> 01:26:28,660
that's what that's what this amendment
is about I appreciate that I know from

868
01:26:23,860 --> 01:26:34,780
my part this is Tree City USA Arbor Day
Foundation 30 years running we know from

869
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:40,120
a practical standpoint we can't save
every tree and that we're just being

870
01:26:37,270 --> 01:26:45,280
practical I also know that when people
have property rights for something

871
01:26:41,830 --> 01:26:47,920
that's been zoned that something is
going to be developed there based on the

872
01:26:46,570 --> 01:26:52,150
zoning and there's not much we can do
that that because people have property

873
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:56,490
rights whether it be residential or
business and certainly there is zoning

874
01:26:54,610 --> 01:27:02,050
in place to make sure those are
developed accordingly but I think like

875
01:26:59,590 --> 01:27:08,380
to think being Tree City USA means is
that we have a higher standard towards

876
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:13,540
encouraging as saving as many of those
trees as possible I like to think that

877
01:27:11,980 --> 01:27:18,340
part of the reason that Port Orange is a
special place is because sometimes we're

878
01:27:16,480 --> 01:27:23,020
pain to deal with but it's because we
have higher standards and we try to

879
01:27:21,220 --> 01:27:26,950
preserve as much as that for a community
as is possible

880
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:32,200
I remember when Wawa
I called Wawa East came before us and we

881
01:27:30,250 --> 01:27:36,910
held firm on some of the requests they
had on historic trees on that property

882
01:27:34,630 --> 01:27:41,900
and they haven't still have a nice shade
canopy today with trees that in a lot of

883
01:27:40,660 --> 01:27:46,989
cities they would have been a
loud to remove them entirely - one that

884
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:53,179
was a victim of the hurricane yeah well
that's nature yeah I can't control

885
01:27:49,969 --> 01:28:00,320
nature but I'd like to think that we do
the best we possibly can within the law

886
01:27:55,730 --> 01:28:05,449
to promote tree preservation and promote
a higher standard of living in the city

887
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:13,100
port arch as with what makes sense you
know being anti everything doesn't make

888
01:28:10,130 --> 01:28:18,110
sense but we do want to strike a balance
community and that's not easy to do

889
01:28:15,590 --> 01:28:22,460
sometimes I struggle with it I admit but
this is one of those things that you do

890
01:28:19,900 --> 01:28:28,880
and I also wanted to thank the
environmental advisory board for taking

891
01:28:24,409 --> 01:28:33,440
on this issue this is not easy when we
have boards that serve this city

892
01:28:30,949 --> 01:28:38,750
those are volunteers hopefully we
appoint with certain expertise that we

893
01:28:35,239 --> 01:28:42,980
can rely on it's impossible for us up
here to have expertise in everything so

894
01:28:40,969 --> 01:28:48,380
we rely on our volunteer boards to give
us good feedback and they work very hard

895
01:28:45,949 --> 01:28:52,390
on this one to bring it forward and John
I just wanted to thank you and your

896
01:28:49,909 --> 01:28:58,880
board for the work that you've done here
before we go to the floor be any opening

897
01:28:55,520 --> 01:29:04,280
comments counsel I'll just just to give
a a different perspective I don't

898
01:29:01,909 --> 01:29:09,530
support this but you know I want to
explain you know why you know and that's

899
01:29:07,610 --> 01:29:15,610
what I love about this council we we can
all agree to disagree and it's always

900
01:29:11,090 --> 01:29:20,719
respected it's usually respectfully done
[Laughter]

901
01:29:17,530 --> 01:29:26,750
but I appreciate the intent behind this
behind this this ordinance but I you

902
01:29:24,650 --> 01:29:31,250
know one of my favorite quotes by a
freedman is one of the great mistakes is

903
01:29:28,909 --> 01:29:37,550
to judge a policy or program based on
the intent rather than the results and I

904
01:29:34,550 --> 01:29:44,600
think you know the it's measures like
these at times it I look at it as - as

905
01:29:42,290 --> 01:29:49,909
to why home rule is really under attack
by the state by that I mean the state

906
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:54,440
passes a lot of laws that a lot of
legislation that preempts local

907
01:29:52,580 --> 01:29:57,469
localities from making decisions and I
think

908
01:29:54,710 --> 01:30:02,900
it's its measures like these the intent
is is is very noble it's valid and I

909
01:30:01,610 --> 01:30:09,560
appreciate it
where I get caught up is mandated and on

910
01:30:05,660 --> 01:30:14,120
the businesses in order to force forcing
them to contribute to the to to this

911
01:30:11,330 --> 01:30:18,469
bank that that's that's my my little
issue with it and I wrestled with it

912
01:30:15,980 --> 01:30:23,989
just as the mayor and many others though
do but that's just I wanted to put that

913
01:30:22,370 --> 01:30:31,910
out there the opposite perspective of
them Jack just kind of long the same

914
01:30:28,670 --> 01:30:35,570
lines of chase I think I think we have a
program in place now with a city that

915
01:30:33,710 --> 01:30:41,390
was why we are the tree city we have
good you know good policy on on

916
01:30:38,330 --> 01:30:47,000
preserving trees wherever possible I
don't really see this as much of saving

917
01:30:45,380 --> 01:30:50,810
trees those people are going to probably
remove those trees we're just going to

918
01:30:49,250 --> 01:30:57,770
do this but an initial burden on those
people wanting to improve the properties

919
01:30:53,540 --> 01:31:01,580
or or develop something so I just don't
see it getting the result they were

920
01:30:59,480 --> 01:31:07,520
hoping for other than maybe adding a
little bit of money to our coffers but

921
01:31:02,750 --> 01:31:12,440
not much so other than that I mean again
I appreciate all the environmental board

922
01:31:10,430 --> 01:31:18,260
does to come up with ideas and
suggestions and I think one of part of

923
01:31:15,500 --> 01:31:22,670
this is the survey trying to consolidate
those things to I think they did a good

924
01:31:20,210 --> 01:31:26,030
job in reviewing as there's a very good
vitality yeah

925
01:31:24,020 --> 01:31:32,420
so there's commend them for their work
on it but I kind of leaned the way

926
01:31:31,010 --> 01:31:38,380
chases
on this particular one thank you anyone

927
01:31:36,260 --> 01:31:46,179
out there want to speak to this issue
public it's a ball throughs our siding

928
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:46,179
come on up all

929
01:31:51,010 --> 01:32:08,199
gentlemen Paul Rhoads our 607 powers
having it Port Orange Florida this thing

930
01:32:00,309 --> 01:32:21,989
about the trees we are we are tree
friendly and not to point out any

931
01:32:15,729 --> 01:32:35,019
gentleman of course not as we talk
because we can't agree to disagree I've

932
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:45,130
seen a major lot not too far from me the
trees totally destroyed and come down

933
01:32:39,599 --> 01:32:54,699
and there seems to be a large wind
effect now that those trees are gone in

934
01:32:50,050 --> 01:33:05,429
my neighborhood these large trees have
an effect on our environment and we need

935
01:33:00,070 --> 01:33:12,760
to look really strongly and I'm glad
this young lady over here who I'm

936
01:33:10,209 --> 01:33:20,979
looking right at you from the water
department so glad that you took care of

937
01:33:17,380 --> 01:33:31,079
keeping that one big tree going and you
remember when I stated that in our

938
01:33:23,590 --> 01:33:31,079
meeting you cannot allow people to

939
01:33:31,199 --> 01:33:37,320
arbitrarily take these trees down and

940
01:33:37,559 --> 01:33:51,160
I'm disagreeing with you and disagreeing
with mr. Wiles on your last time you're

941
01:33:43,989 --> 01:33:59,450
up here maybe as of right now
it's just not right to arbitrarily take

942
01:33:57,590 --> 01:34:11,960
down large trees
I lost 22 on my lot a lot of more palm

943
01:34:02,570 --> 01:34:19,460
trees but also lost other trees and it
hurt me as I drug out the remains out to

944
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:31,580
the road during the Hurricanes so what
I'm trying to say is please keep the

945
01:34:27,050 --> 01:34:39,770
restrictions in process that are in
process and please take care of our

946
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:49,820
trees you have the birds in the trees
you have animals your raccoons and

947
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:57,080
whatever that live inside a lot of the
big oak trees we have to maintain this

948
01:34:53,900 --> 01:35:07,990
thank you thank you Paul got it down to
a point else care to speak to this just

949
01:35:04,610 --> 01:35:13,880
a quick question of blame a sec okay
anyone else care to speak to this we'll

950
01:35:10,430 --> 01:35:20,900
make sure we come back okay I saw there
was no one just just a quick question

951
01:35:19,070 --> 01:35:28,520
from a legal standpoint this applies to
every current property that people

952
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:34,250
already own it'll go into effect right
away from any any development that

953
01:35:30,410 --> 01:35:39,590
happens right now my question is you
know I know we have we have legal issues

954
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:43,880
if we change a zoning on somebody's
property adding a new ordinance like

955
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:49,310
this this wouldn't give us any any legal
issues going forward correct there's

956
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:55,450
always a possibility of a legal contest
but I'm going to defer to penny to give

957
01:35:51,620 --> 01:35:59,840
you the full picture on this because
consequences and also knows this

958
01:35:57,500 --> 01:36:03,970
proposed ordinance you know you know
what I'm asking all right okay Penelope

959
01:36:01,670 --> 01:36:07,490
Cruz planning so this would apply to
non-residential development

960
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:12,710
non-residential multifamily not
single-family homes and things any new

961
01:36:10,220 --> 01:36:17,330
development that would come in for
review at this point once this goes into

962
01:36:14,810 --> 01:36:21,020
effect if it's approved tonight so it's
not retroactive once something's already

963
01:36:19,490 --> 01:36:26,330
developed up and running you don't go
back and try to mitigate anything

964
01:36:24,190 --> 01:36:32,570
questions or comments anything else I
think the main thing is just to clarify

965
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:38,720
we really aren't asking I don't think by
saying no to this for any less trees and

966
01:36:36,290 --> 01:36:46,250
what's required by the our tree city
ordinances now it's just that if there's

967
01:36:42,230 --> 01:36:51,890
any in the buffer that they want to take
out and still meet the requirement

968
01:36:48,980 --> 01:36:57,380
there's a dollar value for those trees
that would go into a tree bank so really

969
01:36:54,950 --> 01:37:00,230
there's only a monetary expense to the
developer if they wanted to take those

970
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:03,560
trees out that's that's the only
difference here well we thought

971
01:37:02,030 --> 01:37:07,850
everybody understands it's not it and
and the monetary expense is enticing

972
01:37:06,380 --> 01:37:13,940
them to keep the trees in their
landscape buffer let's hope so yeah just

973
01:37:12,050 --> 01:37:21,050
to clarify mayor this this is not an
ordinance that allows for anybody to

974
01:37:15,350 --> 01:37:25,160
arbitrarily remove trees nor was the
previous order right and also I don't

975
01:37:23,210 --> 01:37:29,810
believe it's going to require a payment
they have an option of leaving the truck

976
01:37:27,710 --> 01:37:34,100
leaving the tree or placing tree's
elsewhere on the property and replant or

977
01:37:31,580 --> 01:37:39,290
but yet replanting or paying in so it's
not they're not being fined they're

978
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:43,310
given an option good because right now
they could take the trees down and

979
01:37:40,670 --> 01:37:46,700
nothing would happen but with this
they'd be able that have they could

980
01:37:45,380 --> 01:37:52,400
still take the same amount of trees down
but it would require a payment or trees

981
01:37:50,750 --> 01:37:54,790
to be replanted elsewhere on the
property

982
01:38:00,250 --> 01:38:19,150
any other comments none call the roll
no yes yes no yes

983
01:38:13,480 --> 01:38:23,980
three two brings us the second reading
of ordinance number 2019 - 16 the fifth

984
01:38:22,900 --> 01:38:27,160
amendment of the west supports our
office Park BCD master development

985
01:38:25,510 --> 01:38:29,620
agreement which is an ordinance of the
city poured onto Volusia County Florida

986
01:38:28,450 --> 01:38:32,260
approving the fifth amendment to the
master development agreement for

987
01:38:30,760 --> 01:38:35,800
Westport storage and office part plan
commercial development BCD and

988
01:38:34,210 --> 01:38:39,730
conceptual development plan for
approximately plus or minus twelve point

989
01:38:38,140 --> 01:38:45,940
four three two acres generally located
at 1415 to fifteen eighty fifty eight

990
01:38:43,450 --> 01:38:49,660
eighty nine fifty eight ninety five and
fifty eight ninety eight Williamson

991
01:38:47,710 --> 01:38:54,430
Boulevard provided for conflicting
ordinances severability and an effective

992
01:38:52,090 --> 01:39:00,480
date listen to approve Horne was number
two zero one nine - sixteen second we

993
01:38:58,870 --> 01:39:10,120
have a motion to second second reading
comments questions counsel second anyone

994
01:39:06,130 --> 01:39:21,850
here care to speak to this item there
being none last bite of the Apple I see

995
01:39:14,170 --> 01:39:25,660
nobody call the roll yes yes yes yes yes
five Oh

996
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:32,080
and at this point before we get into the
audit report from our audit or I'd like

997
01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:38,160
to declare a 10-minute recess and we
will we stand in excess for the next ten

998
01:39:35,860 --> 01:39:38,160
minutes

999
01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:46,900
you

1000
01:50:35,489 --> 01:50:51,570
we're back the audit report 2018 capper
who are you sir good evening Zack shall

1001
01:50:48,329 --> 01:50:55,380
for partner James Morin company yes we
are here to discuss the annual audit for

1002
01:50:53,699 --> 01:51:00,689
the fiscal year ended September 30th
2018 first and foremost thank you to the

1003
01:50:58,530 --> 01:51:05,309
council for the opportunity to continue
working with acidity always exciting to

1004
01:51:03,300 --> 01:51:08,999
just be a part of the process our being
our hometown for myself pretty much the

1005
01:51:07,199 --> 01:51:14,999
entire audit team and many members of
the firm that Gillikin manager on the

1006
01:51:12,809 --> 01:51:19,999
audit back in the corner and also want
to yes and a large appreciation as well

1007
01:51:17,789 --> 01:51:25,010
to city staff in the finance department
for all of their hard work obviously in

1008
01:51:22,860 --> 01:51:29,909
an especially challenging year for them
given the circumstances going through

1009
01:51:27,539 --> 01:51:32,070
the audit and closeout process Zac I was
under the impression you weren't going

1010
01:51:31,019 --> 01:51:42,679
to be here and I was kind of looking
forward to we could go through it then

1011
01:51:41,189 --> 01:51:46,530
we can have Doug do it - I'm gonna
shapers kind of emptied out so we might

1012
01:51:44,969 --> 01:51:52,800
be able to get a few are you done yet
let's go so these are management's

1013
01:51:51,150 --> 01:51:57,449
financial statements we do have five
reports that we issue as part of the

1014
01:51:54,780 --> 01:52:01,079
audit the first report is our audit
report on the financials where we did

1015
01:51:58,979 --> 01:52:05,610
issue an unmodified opinion that the
city's financial statements are fairly

1016
01:52:02,729 --> 01:52:10,110
presented in all material respects this
is the best opinion that we can issue in

1017
01:52:07,409 --> 01:52:14,309
performing your audit we also issued a
single audit report and performed a

1018
01:52:12,179 --> 01:52:19,320
federal single audit basically taking a
more in-depth look at some of your

1019
01:52:16,139 --> 01:52:24,479
federal grant expenditures based on the
city going over a threshold we have to

1020
01:52:21,420 --> 01:52:29,909
perform this work when the city spends
more than $750,000 of either federal or

1021
01:52:27,510 --> 01:52:35,309
state monies so you did exceed the
threshold on the federal grant side this

1022
01:52:31,949 --> 01:52:39,179
year we also report on internal control
and compliance over financial reporting

1023
01:52:37,320 --> 01:52:43,530
where if we come across any internal
control or compliance matters those

1024
01:52:40,949 --> 01:52:47,820
would be reported here we did report one
significant deficiency related to

1025
01:52:45,510 --> 01:52:51,389
year-end capital asset
close out adjustments really the

1026
01:52:49,829 --> 01:52:55,770
highlight here is nothing from a
budgetary standpoint or really

1027
01:52:53,099 --> 01:53:00,300
operational was not done properly it was
just some of the year-end

1028
01:52:56,960 --> 01:53:05,520
reconciliations purely for the financial
statements again no that's a booking

1029
01:53:02,849 --> 01:53:09,030
issue correct as relates to these
statements nothing in the budget are

1030
01:53:07,260 --> 01:53:11,730
actually what was it did not have the
system on a day-to-day basis nothing

1031
01:53:10,889 --> 01:53:17,280
missing
there's nothing unaccounted for it was

1032
01:53:13,770 --> 01:53:20,190
accounted for in an incorrect category
basically is what you're saying correct

1033
01:53:18,630 --> 01:53:25,560
and basically we had an adjustment to
true that up for purposes of the

1034
01:53:22,710 --> 01:53:32,550
statements all right because when we say
significant and that deserves the

1035
01:53:30,929 --> 01:53:35,730
scrutiny that you're getting right now I
want to want to make sure that we're

1036
01:53:34,530 --> 01:53:41,010
talking about what we're talking about
here for sure we're not talking about

1037
01:53:38,400 --> 01:53:44,040
malfeasance or misfeasance we're correct
where we have something missing we need

1038
01:53:42,360 --> 01:53:48,570
to go hunting for it that's not the case
absolutely crack ass and just kind of

1039
01:53:46,500 --> 01:53:52,980
for perspective there are two levels of
internal control deficiencies that could

1040
01:53:50,489 --> 01:53:57,389
be reported a significant efficiency is
the lower level the more severe would be

1041
01:53:55,139 --> 01:54:01,980
called a material weakness and that even
isn't necessarily that something bad or

1042
01:54:00,389 --> 01:54:06,210
there was any malfeasance even that
scenario would just be there would be

1043
01:54:03,270 --> 01:54:11,579
conditions that present a much greater
risk of any such situation happening

1044
01:54:09,260 --> 01:54:15,750
significant deficiency is a much lower
threshold in terms of ultimately was

1045
01:54:13,949 --> 01:54:21,510
just because we had the audit adjustment
as part of those either and

1046
01:54:17,699 --> 01:54:25,860
reconciliations the fourth report is a
management letter required by the

1047
01:54:23,040 --> 01:54:31,409
Auditor General this addresses a series
of other items first and foremost

1048
01:54:29,190 --> 01:54:35,579
there's a financial condition element to
this where we have to look at the city's

1049
01:54:33,060 --> 01:54:40,469
financial condition benchmark you all
against other similar cities based on a

1050
01:54:37,860 --> 01:54:45,599
state generated template if there were
any issues here we would have to report

1051
01:54:42,150 --> 01:54:50,310
those the word no such issues we also
report any other recommendations

1052
01:54:47,550 --> 01:54:54,360
observations or comments here not
deficiencies just kind of thoughts of

1053
01:54:51,960 --> 01:54:57,030
hey here's something to consider we did
have one other recommendation in there

1054
01:54:56,639 --> 01:55:02,790
really
two time cards and also we have to

1055
01:55:00,330 --> 01:55:08,070
follow up on any prior year comments or
recommendation so that's always you know

1056
01:55:06,270 --> 01:55:12,180
very notable in terms of okay what
actions have been taken to follow up on

1057
01:55:10,350 --> 01:55:16,200
anything that we brought to your
attention last year we did have three

1058
01:55:14,430 --> 01:55:20,640
comments in the prior year all of those
were taken care of are corrected this

1059
01:55:18,060 --> 01:55:25,560
year and then our final report is an
examination report again required by the

1060
01:55:22,890 --> 01:55:29,310
state are we have to look at the city's
compliance with state statutes over

1061
01:55:27,240 --> 01:55:34,080
investments and investment policies and
in this report we did say that the city

1062
01:55:31,830 --> 01:55:40,080
was in compliance with those specified
statutes other separatists there was

1063
01:55:38,280 --> 01:55:44,670
some discussion of the pension plans I
we do audit the police and the general

1064
01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:48,360
plans we also perform some more detailed
testing on a separate audit related to

1065
01:55:46,500 --> 01:55:53,580
the golf course management agreement
just to highlight those we had no

1066
01:55:50,490 --> 01:55:59,760
comments or deficiencies to report in
those separate audits this year to look

1067
01:55:57,510 --> 01:56:04,410
at the numbers a little bit we've got
here the general fund broken out for the

1068
01:56:01,710 --> 01:56:08,190
three past years again primarily the
general fund is the primary operating

1069
01:56:06,450 --> 01:56:13,110
fund of the city while there are other
funds the other funds generally have

1070
01:56:10,800 --> 01:56:17,730
very specific restricted monies going
into those funds or otherwise designated

1071
01:56:15,210 --> 01:56:22,590
for a very specific purpose as the
general operating fund of the city your

1072
01:56:20,550 --> 01:56:26,940
fund balance or really your reserves or
retained earnings as the private sector

1073
01:56:23,970 --> 01:56:31,080
terminology is broken down into a few
different categories non spendable

1074
01:56:29,850 --> 01:56:35,010
monies those are those where you've
already spent the cash on prepaids or

1075
01:56:33,090 --> 01:56:39,750
inventory so you can't go use that money
for a different purpose restricted

1076
01:56:37,830 --> 01:56:45,080
monies those are where the external
source of those monies restricts them to

1077
01:56:42,600 --> 01:56:50,580
be used for a very specific specific
purpose you can't go use those for

1078
01:56:47,580 --> 01:56:56,430
whatever you want or change the intended
use of those monies committed there were

1079
01:56:53,160 --> 01:57:00,960
no committed revenues or fund balance in
the general fund as of this year that

1080
01:56:58,830 --> 01:57:06,390
would be kind of an internal restriction
so for instance the the tree ordinance

1081
01:57:03,690 --> 01:57:11,060
that you all just discussed any revenues
and net revenues from that

1082
01:57:09,380 --> 01:57:15,350
those fees those would qualify as
committed in future years if there was a

1083
01:57:13,730 --> 01:57:19,160
residual balance but there were none in
the general fund this year and then the

1084
01:57:17,480 --> 01:57:23,780
aside I'm assigned a bucket those are
kind of your unrestricted monies within

1085
01:57:21,770 --> 01:57:28,160
those to the assigned is effectively
saying it's earmarked so those two are

1086
01:57:26,240 --> 01:57:32,750
kind of what we look at and combined we
say okay what is available in

1087
01:57:30,380 --> 01:57:36,680
unrestricted resources as of the end of
the fiscal year and you can see on this

1088
01:57:34,970 --> 01:57:41,000
trend there's been a decrease the past
three years both in total and if you

1089
01:57:39,350 --> 01:57:45,500
combine there's a sign unassigned
buckets the main reason for that relates

1090
01:57:44,240 --> 01:57:51,080
back to the Hurricanes
all of your hurricane irma expenditures

1091
01:57:48,410 --> 01:57:56,000
that took place in fiscal year 17 and 18
those have obviously been reflected that

1092
01:57:53,270 --> 01:57:59,840
cash was expended but due to the the
timing of those grant agreements in the

1093
01:57:57,980 --> 01:58:03,740
process I was getting those
reimbursements none of the revenue or

1094
01:58:02,030 --> 01:58:08,270
expected reimbursements has been
recorded yet so hopefully some of that

1095
01:58:05,870 --> 01:58:12,620
deficit or kind of not deficit but
decrease the last couple years should be

1096
01:58:10,490 --> 01:58:17,720
made up and once those reimbursements
are ultimately settled I had I was

1097
01:58:15,400 --> 01:58:22,640
saving a question for the end but I'm as
we'll ask it now since you addressed

1098
01:58:19,070 --> 01:58:29,210
that with the Hurricanes our reserves
are those cash reserves or are we

1099
01:58:26,480 --> 01:58:31,790
sitting on an Accounts Payable I'm sorry
two accounts receivable

1100
01:58:30,350 --> 01:58:36,410
where we're still waiting on hurricane
money so our reserves are they all cash

1101
01:58:34,250 --> 01:58:40,540
mostly cash yes I mean there's some
small timing differences just normal

1102
01:58:38,540 --> 01:58:46,480
receivables and payables but not any
significant amount of the amount

1103
01:58:42,740 --> 01:58:52,130
reflected here as in receivable form
basically what I'm asking is are our

1104
01:58:48,710 --> 01:58:56,030
reserves actual liquid cash or are we
still sitting on a piece of paper that

1105
01:58:54,380 --> 01:58:59,810
says the federal government owes us
money for sure there was a little bit

1106
01:58:57,860 --> 01:59:04,490
odd most of it is cash to kind of put
into perspective this year you have

1107
01:59:02,510 --> 01:59:09,980
about thirteen and a half million in
cash relative to the 16 point two so

1108
01:59:08,420 --> 01:59:14,300
it's a little bit short most of that
there's some amounts that were just due

1109
01:59:11,780 --> 01:59:18,260
from others last year though yeah but
there is some that was due from other

1110
01:59:15,410 --> 01:59:21,980
funds and also just normal receivables
in terms of sales taxes on other state

1111
01:59:20,990 --> 01:59:29,840
revenues that take a cup
all months to get in versus when they

1112
01:59:23,780 --> 01:59:33,320
were earned okay so looking at the fund
balance and again looking at your

1113
01:59:31,190 --> 01:59:38,480
assigned plus your unassigned fund
balance relative to your annual budget

1114
01:59:36,130 --> 01:59:43,190
there's a recommendation out there from
the the GFO a which is the government

1115
01:59:40,220 --> 01:59:46,190
finance Officers Association and they're
the ones who issue the certificate of

1116
01:59:45,050 --> 01:59:51,800
achievement for excellence in financial
reporting which the city did receive on

1117
01:59:48,350 --> 01:59:55,790
the 2017 Kafur and the GF Way recommends
that looking at your sign plus your

1118
01:59:53,540 --> 01:59:59,630
unassigned general fund balance that you
have a bare minimum of two months and

1119
01:59:57,950 --> 02:00:05,330
reserves relative to your operating
budget two months about 17% a number of

1120
02:00:03,560 --> 02:00:09,650
years back the council did set an
internal policy or a target of thirty to

1121
02:00:08,150 --> 02:00:14,210
thirty five percent under this
measurement as at the end of the year

1122
02:00:11,810 --> 02:00:18,140
you're about thirty nine percent so
pretty much right in line with that

1123
02:00:15,770 --> 02:00:22,280
target again whenever we look at this
recommendation we always emphasize this

1124
02:00:20,210 --> 02:00:25,730
is a bare minimum recommendation when
you factor in being a more or less

1125
02:00:24,230 --> 02:00:31,880
coastal community where we've seen
hurricanes it doesn't take much to have

1126
02:00:29,210 --> 02:00:35,540
to yeah one storm and you've got to find
the cash suggests we when we when we

1127
02:00:33,500 --> 02:00:42,440
know we've had neighboring cities in our
county that had to borrow money

1128
02:00:36,830 --> 02:00:46,370
absolutely okay yeah looking at some of
your other funds on that your business

1129
02:00:43,880 --> 02:00:49,790
type funds so water and sewer solid way
stormwater in the golf course what we

1130
02:00:48,350 --> 02:00:53,870
look at here is your unrestricted in
that position very much a similar

1131
02:00:51,590 --> 02:00:58,239
measurement as we had for your general
fund in kind of look at this to look at

1132
02:00:55,970 --> 02:01:03,200
the trends and see if there's any major
negative trends or anything potentially

1133
02:01:00,830 --> 02:01:06,310
indicative of a Fe that's not being
charged at a high enough level or

1134
02:01:04,580 --> 02:01:11,420
anything like that where a fund is
struggling all of your water and sewer

1135
02:01:09,170 --> 02:01:18,590
solid waste stormwater all either flat
or trending in an upward direction the

1136
02:01:14,030 --> 02:01:22,580
notable changes in 2018 from 2017 is the
golf course deficit was cut about in

1137
02:01:20,810 --> 02:01:26,890
half and your internal service funds
reduced by about two million dollars

1138
02:01:24,380 --> 02:01:30,950
this was primarily due to the
forgiveness of the loan from the loan

1139
02:01:29,000 --> 02:01:38,210
pool fund to the golf course fund that
was approved by the council early in the

1140
02:01:33,350 --> 02:01:42,050
fiscal year to talk a little bit more
about pensions of course you heard

1141
02:01:39,739 --> 02:01:46,880
earlier on the general plan some of the
highlights there this is year four year

1142
02:01:44,840 --> 02:01:51,320
five I believe that we have been
recording the unfunded pension

1143
02:01:49,400 --> 02:01:56,090
liabilities those show up on your
financial statements the bulk of that

1144
02:01:53,719 --> 02:01:59,660
shows up in the governmental activities
column and looking at the very first

1145
02:01:57,830 --> 02:02:03,560
statement in the kafir'
but this thirty four million dollar

1146
02:02:01,190 --> 02:02:08,390
liability about thirty two million shows
up I led to all of police all of fire

1147
02:02:06,500 --> 02:02:12,560
much of the general employees plan
ultimately their general fund employees

1148
02:02:10,940 --> 02:02:16,310
so it shows up as a governmental
activities obligation there was about

1149
02:02:14,780 --> 02:02:20,960
two million dollars of your general
employees plan that gets allocated to

1150
02:02:18,230 --> 02:02:25,550
your proprietary funds primarily the
water and sewer fund and does show up

1151
02:02:22,580 --> 02:02:29,750
there a couple of different trends just
to look at all of your plans moving in

1152
02:02:28,370 --> 02:02:34,670
the right direction the last couple
years both in terms of that unfunded

1153
02:02:32,660 --> 02:02:39,280
liability coming down from about forty
million to thirty four million as well

1154
02:02:36,890 --> 02:02:44,450
as your funded percentages increasing
from about five to eight or nine percent

1155
02:02:42,160 --> 02:02:49,700
across the board for all three plans
these are all of course a market value

1156
02:02:47,650 --> 02:02:52,850
measurement that gets recorded in these
financial statements so it's a little

1157
02:02:51,200 --> 02:02:56,930
bit different than what's used for
funding purposes when they smooth some

1158
02:02:54,710 --> 02:03:00,739
of the investment returns to not take
all of the hit in one year where for

1159
02:02:59,300 --> 02:03:05,510
financial reporting if there was a
really good year really bad year that

1160
02:03:02,690 --> 02:03:10,100
will all be reflected at that point in
time I know there was some talk about

1161
02:03:07,520 --> 02:03:14,180
the discount rates where Generals come
down and of both the police and fire

1162
02:03:11,810 --> 02:03:17,989
plans have been working to trend those
numbers down as well just because the

1163
02:03:16,010 --> 02:03:22,580
the lower the discount rate ultimately
there isn't more of a contribution now

1164
02:03:19,850 --> 02:03:27,620
but it reduces the risk and exposure of
any liability being pushed into the

1165
02:03:25,070 --> 02:03:31,630
future of those investment returns that
are being projected are not hit that

1166
02:03:31,690 --> 02:03:36,630
really covers the highlights of what I
have so if there's any other questions

1167
02:03:35,360 --> 02:03:40,889
more than glad
to answer them and thanks again for the

1168
02:03:37,710 --> 02:03:45,739
time so all the times that I interrupted
you it doesn't preclude me from ants

1169
02:03:42,989 --> 02:03:51,840
asking that so be careful all right
let's start with Scott this is this is

1170
02:03:49,320 --> 02:03:56,070
exactly what we have an audit and and I
appreciate the work that goes into it

1171
02:03:53,310 --> 02:04:01,380
not only with your team but the the city
staff and this provides a great deal of

1172
02:03:59,250 --> 02:04:04,710
confidence and comfort every year
knowing that we have this process and we

1173
02:04:03,270 --> 02:04:10,739
have this opportunity to double the
triple check things and to to make sure

1174
02:04:07,830 --> 02:04:14,610
that if there's clerical adjustments
that need to be made or bookkeeping

1175
02:04:12,030 --> 02:04:18,989
records that need to be tightened up or
anything like that at all this is the

1176
02:04:16,469 --> 02:04:25,739
process and it's it's a good it's a good
feeling it almost would be somewhat all

1177
02:04:22,170 --> 02:04:32,400
it would be great was a little bit less
confident if you came back and said we

1178
02:04:27,989 --> 02:04:36,090
don't see anything so I appreciate the
work that goes into it I appreciate the

1179
02:04:34,050 --> 02:04:42,060
city finance department for sure and all
the work they put in it is a is a mantra

1180
02:04:39,239 --> 02:04:46,860
tough job running the finance of a
municipality of this size and it's I'm

1181
02:04:44,310 --> 02:04:51,210
sure it's quite the task to audit one as
well but it's it's a great deal of

1182
02:04:48,900 --> 02:04:56,010
comfort and competence to have an audit
like this every year that's so so

1183
02:04:54,030 --> 02:04:59,880
intense and it covers a lot of the
things that we need to be able to have

1184
02:04:57,870 --> 02:05:04,590
that confidence and so I appreciate the
job with it and we obviously met and I

1185
02:05:02,850 --> 02:05:08,900
went through some of the details as well
so I appreciate the time you guys made

1186
02:05:06,270 --> 02:05:08,900
to do that with me

1187
02:05:09,100 --> 02:05:16,300
yeah I'd agree there is a level of
comfort when you know we have that

1188
02:05:13,440 --> 02:05:22,480
exterior set of eyes you know looking at
us and reviewing it every year and and

1189
02:05:18,610 --> 02:05:29,260
doing things in depth also like to point
out that the 145 some odd page Cafer

1190
02:05:27,210 --> 02:05:34,180
anybody that would like to review it it
is available online for your reading

1191
02:05:31,030 --> 02:05:40,240
pleasure and we got hosted already did
we get it posted down is it on the

1192
02:05:36,280 --> 02:05:42,730
finance page yet I can check in a couple
minutes

1193
02:05:40,540 --> 02:05:46,390
yeah if not I mean last year's was but
this one as soon as that we approve I

1194
02:05:44,290 --> 02:05:51,580
mean it'll be on everybody posted yeah
yeah they're they're available for

1195
02:05:48,370 --> 02:05:55,180
anybody that wants to see it so I you
know it's tough for somebody to sit out

1196
02:05:53,440 --> 02:06:00,280
here and and glance at that and they're
overwhelmed but if you wanted to spend

1197
02:05:57,100 --> 02:06:08,380
more time on it hours and hours it's
available for you to do that but yeah

1198
02:06:04,720 --> 02:06:14,290
the the the news is is good we're in a
good position financially we still are

1199
02:06:12,580 --> 02:06:19,360
owed some money from the government I
get that but if you know God forbid

1200
02:06:17,770 --> 02:06:22,690
another hurricane or something major
happens we can take care of ourselves

1201
02:06:20,650 --> 02:06:26,380
without having to borrow money from
somebody to do that and have to you know

1202
02:06:24,790 --> 02:06:31,750
go through that red tape and then pay
that money back so I you know our

1203
02:06:29,140 --> 02:06:38,200
financial picture is good and you know
things are things are things are going

1204
02:06:33,670 --> 02:06:42,400
well Jason I have no comments I
appreciate the work you guys put in I

1205
02:06:40,120 --> 02:06:47,200
appreciate you spending time the other
day you guys do a great job yeah it's in

1206
02:06:45,490 --> 02:06:53,260
preparation for a workshop and we may
have later I'd asked the question about

1207
02:06:49,690 --> 02:06:59,020
administrative fees do other cities seem
to do that in-house most comparably the

1208
02:06:56,800 --> 02:07:04,750
I mean well how are cities in your size
Ormond Beach DeLand kind of being two

1209
02:07:01,960 --> 02:07:09,540
that are similar they have an internal
bit kind of the HR department they have

1210
02:07:07,030 --> 02:07:13,699
really a pension administrator that
handles a lot of content just overall

1211
02:07:11,860 --> 02:07:18,709
administrative oversight of the
plans okay the other question I briefly

1212
02:07:16,789 --> 02:07:24,219
touched on was unfunded liabilities a
person you know like bonding that you

1213
02:07:20,929 --> 02:07:28,249
see any you see savings and doing that
again it's one that you would have to

1214
02:07:26,300 --> 02:07:34,070
run the number so I'm just kind of a gut
feel so to speak we haven't seen much in

1215
02:07:30,860 --> 02:07:38,269
terms of that being the road anyone has
gone down I know the City of

1216
02:07:36,260 --> 02:07:42,650
Jacksonville either did something or it
looked at it but they had a major crisis

1217
02:07:40,340 --> 02:07:47,209
with their plans where 40% or something
funded so nice reductions on this one so

1218
02:07:45,800 --> 02:07:50,119
it looks like it's you know we'll manage
to yeah I mean we're making progress

1219
02:07:48,829 --> 02:07:53,780
each and every year
yeah and ultimately that there's so many

1220
02:07:51,499 --> 02:07:57,289
moving pieces that really the key is
that you've got

1221
02:07:54,949 --> 02:08:01,729
I think the reasonably some attainable
assumptions in place and making the

1222
02:07:59,780 --> 02:08:05,659
required contributions there's been some
years as well I know this year for

1223
02:08:03,349 --> 02:08:09,530
instance the police plan there was an
extra 60 or 90 thousand dollars

1224
02:08:07,389 --> 02:08:13,280
contributed there basically but the
estimates based on a percent of pay or a

1225
02:08:12,079 --> 02:08:17,900
little bit different so some of the
excess that had been paid and versus

1226
02:08:15,499 --> 02:08:22,340
what the requirement was that was kept
in the plan to kind of help pre-fund it

1227
02:08:20,690 --> 02:08:25,999
to a degree and get some extra money in
there so there have been some steps

1228
02:08:23,749 --> 02:08:29,959
taken over the years to add a bare
minimum fund what's required but

1229
02:08:28,249 --> 02:08:33,829
sometimes also keep a little bit of
extra money the plan if it worked out

1230
02:08:32,030 --> 02:08:39,709
that more cash had been put in then was
ultimately required okay very good thank

1231
02:08:36,920 --> 02:08:43,579
you appreciate it
before you leave could dr. Scott come up

1232
02:08:42,469 --> 02:08:49,639
for just a second please
you got a very important question for

1233
02:08:45,469 --> 02:08:52,519
him and as he's coming up just as a
point usually I don't think city of most

1234
02:08:51,229 --> 02:08:56,929
cities will post this kind of stuff
until it's approved and reviewed by the

1235
02:08:53,900 --> 02:08:59,989
council so it's not on the it's not on
the site yet but I don't know Jay I

1236
02:08:58,729 --> 02:09:04,940
think we're waiting on Jake's signature
for the front letter that will go into

1237
02:09:02,239 --> 02:09:08,090
the final draft he's out of town so if
we don't if we don't get him to sign it

1238
02:09:06,590 --> 02:09:10,849
soon we'll put up a draft and then once
that's in there won't put up the fine

1239
02:09:09,139 --> 02:09:14,570
choice yeah well the most up-to-date one
I mean last year's is on there that's

1240
02:09:12,889 --> 02:09:18,889
the current one we have to go by until
this one gets posted but it is we should

1241
02:09:16,820 --> 02:09:22,939
there is no document there yeah most
current information possible as quickly

1242
02:09:20,449 --> 02:09:27,570
as well the question I have for you sir
is as our finance director

1243
02:09:25,949 --> 02:09:31,860
you comfortable with the results of this
audit and you're able to implement

1244
02:09:28,829 --> 02:09:35,729
whatever changes are necessary I am sir
and I appreciate the work from James

1245
02:09:34,199 --> 02:09:39,360
Moore they've been very helpful in us
getting through some difficult times and

1246
02:09:37,469 --> 02:09:42,989
their advice and counsel is very helpful
and I would trust that if there are

1247
02:09:41,159 --> 02:09:49,110
issues you would let us know so that we
depend on this guy accordingly because

1248
02:09:45,780 --> 02:09:55,940
we can do that right all right thank you
thank you you were summarily dismissed

1249
02:10:01,739 --> 02:10:11,550
digital Adams item 22 City Attorney
report item 23 city manager we've got

1250
02:10:10,050 --> 02:10:16,289
the substitute teacher down in the end
what do you got for Salem Council just

1251
02:10:13,590 --> 02:10:20,280
one or two quick things just wanted to
remind Council that we do have a shade

1252
02:10:17,969 --> 02:10:25,170
meeting next Tuesday April 23rd at 5:00
p.m.

1253
02:10:21,139 --> 02:10:31,800
thanks for it's on your calendar yeah
that's where we usually yeah okay I'm

1254
02:10:28,829 --> 02:10:38,880
sorry and the workshop on the 23rd on
the 23rd yep right after that and you

1255
02:10:35,880 --> 02:10:41,789
kind of beat me to the punch mayor as
everyone knows we've been going through

1256
02:10:40,289 --> 02:10:44,820
a big project over the last couple of
years we've really were amped up

1257
02:10:42,929 --> 02:10:49,679
recently which is the new financial HR
system it's a really heavy lift for the

1258
02:10:46,949 --> 02:10:55,170
finance department dr. Scott Neil's has
had no easy task of coming in in the

1259
02:10:51,420 --> 02:10:58,440
middle of budget audit ERP we just keep
throwing stuff at him until he falls

1260
02:10:56,459 --> 02:11:01,769
down you haven't fallen down yet so now
we're gonna keep on throwing things his

1261
02:10:59,550 --> 02:11:08,510
way but I do want to also just pick him
up but I do also want to provide my

1262
02:11:05,519 --> 02:11:12,510
thanks from the Dyess for the hard work
the men and women in the finance

1263
02:11:10,469 --> 02:11:17,280
department pushing through getting the
audit on their daily jobs as well as a

1264
02:11:15,389 --> 02:11:22,260
double job on top of that working on the
ERP I hear great things from our project

1265
02:11:19,499 --> 02:11:25,349
manager each day and also from people
that are working with to help us

1266
02:11:23,369 --> 02:11:31,469
implement the system so thank you very
much city council committee reports

1267
02:11:29,070 --> 02:11:37,860
arthouse we currently have nobody on
that until we have an elected position

1268
02:11:34,050 --> 02:11:41,160
for a step shelter mr. chase no update
just

1269
02:11:38,910 --> 02:11:47,300
thing since last correct when we read
was that on the next agenda we're gonna

1270
02:11:43,920 --> 02:11:54,720
discuss the use of funds
we'd request that be put on the agenda I

1271
02:11:49,860 --> 02:11:59,160
think that was from okay you used the
original funds for operating versus

1272
02:11:56,790 --> 02:12:07,320
capital I should remove the restriction
thrilled to allow them to do what they

1273
02:12:01,380 --> 02:12:13,560
need to do we can add that to do stop
time to add it to the next one or no

1274
02:12:11,490 --> 02:12:17,250
well we have to take council action so
and it's I don't think it's a long

1275
02:12:15,300 --> 02:12:29,940
discussion we could get that on the May
7th agenda appreciate it there's time

1276
02:12:27,860 --> 02:12:36,870
what aren't South Daytona Chamber of
Commerce this Thursday is the I have to

1277
02:12:35,040 --> 02:12:42,480
admit there are some good things that
happen outside of Port Orange and the

1278
02:12:39,930 --> 02:12:47,130
Daytona Tortugas is one of them they are
out of town but they will be hosting the

1279
02:12:44,940 --> 02:12:53,340
after-hours for the port iron South
Daytona Chamber this Thursday from 5:00

1280
02:12:49,530 --> 02:12:58,950
to 7:00 I believe in the picnic porch at
City at City Island at Jackie Robinson

1281
02:12:55,950 --> 02:13:02,730
ballpark so anybody can make that that's
always lorries event there's no game

1282
02:13:01,110 --> 02:13:09,270
this Thursday ok ok so there's no
Thirsty Thursday to compete against or

1283
02:13:04,560 --> 02:13:14,490
anything like that and roundtable of
elected officials I believe it reported

1284
02:13:11,640 --> 02:13:20,510
that we met we got an update on the
upcoming election for the half cent

1285
02:13:17,370 --> 02:13:27,750
sales tax beginning via mail May first
and of course the big presentation from

1286
02:13:24,150 --> 02:13:32,430
the county on growth management growth
management is going to be a very hot

1287
02:13:29,430 --> 02:13:38,040
topic moving forward and we were
reviewed of the it was reviewed with us

1288
02:13:35,520 --> 02:13:44,280
the work that was done in the last
iteration about 15 years ago or so and

1289
02:13:41,660 --> 02:13:49,740
we're gonna continue to talk amongst the
mayor's about what we can do to improve

1290
02:13:46,800 --> 02:13:55,670
that as we move forward and modernize
that

1291
02:13:50,719 --> 02:14:01,820
I have to do this jack this made us our
last council meeting yes might not be

1292
02:13:57,940 --> 02:14:04,130
right we do have a workshop next week in
which case you may have cast your last

1293
02:14:03,560 --> 02:14:09,620
vote
you might not have we don't know but

1294
02:14:06,860 --> 02:14:13,219
well we will know for sure is April 30th
which is two weeks from today is

1295
02:14:11,449 --> 02:14:19,520
Election Day in the City Board Orange I
want to remind everybody to get out and

1296
02:14:16,010 --> 02:14:23,810
vote polling places will be open if you
a lot of people who vote by mail have

1297
02:14:21,680 --> 02:14:29,330
already received balance there are five
good candidates to choose from make your

1298
02:14:26,180 --> 02:14:35,840
choice wisely and if one of those
candidates emerges from that race on

1299
02:14:32,300 --> 02:14:42,680
April 30th with 50% plus one May 7th
will have a swearing-in ceremony if they

1300
02:14:39,380 --> 02:14:52,190
don't the top two vote Gator top two
vote getters did you say Gators and one

1301
02:14:50,390 --> 02:14:58,460
son who's a gator and I have another
he's gonna be a knight see this is how

1302
02:14:55,340 --> 02:15:03,680
we get off target if I may have a runoff
it will occur ten weeks later in June

1303
02:15:00,880 --> 02:15:09,830
between the top two vote-getters so I
would encourage everybody to mark it on

1304
02:15:06,199 --> 02:15:15,320
your calendars to get out and vote two
weeks from today Jack if this is your

1305
02:15:13,520 --> 02:15:20,840
last meeting thank you very much for
stepping up appreciate you sitting there

1306
02:15:17,750 --> 02:15:26,590
really do Thank You mayor just on that
note of the election just real quick I

1307
02:15:22,850 --> 02:15:34,100
know what is it
Park there's two there's two precincts

1308
02:15:32,480 --> 02:15:41,719
that why is it jumping out of my head
right off Nova Park would those I don't

1309
02:15:38,000 --> 02:15:46,750
believe those are viable precincts
anymore what I'm sorry

1310
02:15:47,520 --> 02:15:58,110
okay yes very good yeah it's all been on
things her supervisor of elections for a

1311
02:15:54,180 --> 02:16:04,170
very it was supposed to be a an off year
for her she's been plenty busy has been

1312
02:16:00,900 --> 02:16:09,360
quite busy and lastly I wanted to thank
everybody who did the hard work on

1313
02:16:06,830 --> 02:16:14,760
Yorktown Boulevard to get that sidewalk
redone and regraded I heard from

1314
02:16:12,150 --> 02:16:19,920
somebody after a large heavy rain whose
kid did not have to walk to school

1315
02:16:16,800 --> 02:16:23,850
either in the road or in the water they
were actually able to use the sidewalk

1316
02:16:21,930 --> 02:16:29,640
in there absolutely elated so thanks a
lot for that with that nothing else

1317
02:16:27,420 --> 02:16:31,790
comes in for us this evening have a good
night

1318
02:16:38,969 --> 02:16:41,029
you