[0:20] camera's live
[0:23] good morning fellow directors first of
[0:26] all i'd just like to acknowledge
[0:28] our gathering virtually throughout the
[0:30] traditional territories
[0:32] of the coast salish people and welcome
[0:35] you to today's agenda
[0:37] we apologize for the technical glitch in
[0:40] getting going
[0:41] um as chair stone had said
[0:45] it may be a 2020 hangover that has been
[0:48] prolonged
[0:50] with your indulgence before we approve
[0:52] the agenda i've had a request
[0:54] from director nicholson
[0:57] to delay r1 until her return she had
[1:01] some input on a couple of those so if
[1:02] you're okay with that
[1:04] delaying till her return i see nodding
[1:07] of heads
[1:08] so miss lego thank you mr chair the
[1:12] first item of business is the approval
[1:14] of the agenda
[1:16] so moved seconded
[1:20] any discussion all those in favor
[1:25] opposed if any that motion carries thank
[1:28] you very much
[1:29] this will go
[1:32] and for public input period i have not
[1:34] received any submissions for this
[1:36] meeting
[1:37] there's no delegations correspondence or
[1:39] information so it would be
[1:41] on to reports and
[1:45] as we are delayed delaying r1 for
[1:48] director nicholson we can move on to r2
[1:51] which is a report from the finance
[1:52] division
[1:53] 2021 electoral area supplemental
[1:56] requests referred from december 2nd
[1:58] the recommendation is that it be
[2:00] recommended to the board that the
[2:01] supplemental requests for function 238
[2:03] community parks area h
[2:04] fern gully trail bridge be approved and
[2:06] two that the supplemental request for
[2:08] function 238 community parks area h
[2:10] hiking and equestrian bridge west trail
[2:12] be approved
[2:15] okay anyone from staff going to start
[2:17] with this or
[2:19] are we going right to the directors
[2:27] i think i saw director martin your hand
[2:29] up
[2:30] yes thank you chair um just would like
[2:32] to defer
[2:33] this to the special corporate meeting on
[2:36] january 25 the parks
[2:39] advisory commission for area 8 is just
[2:42] getting up and running next week
[2:44] so i'd like to have this in front of
[2:46] them before we make a decision
[2:51] move to refer and seconded any further
[2:53] discussion on the referral
[2:56] all those in favor opposed if any
[3:00] so that will be referred to january 25th
[3:02] mr
[3:03] martin next miss lego
[3:07] thank you mr chair our three report from
[3:09] facilities and transit division
[3:11] regarding the 2021 draft budget for
[3:12] function 106 commuter transit
[3:15] this was referred from the december 9
[3:17] special corporate services meeting and
[3:18] the recommendation is that it be
[3:20] recommended to the board that the 2021
[3:22] draft budget as amended for function 106
[3:24] commuter transit be approved
[3:29] miss our director stone moving that
[3:32] i was moving yep and do i have a
[3:34] seconder
[3:36] second it um
[3:40] director marsh
[3:44] mr wacom would you like to speak to this
[3:48] i can give an update mr chair uh as it
[3:50] is a an update from the december meeting
[3:52] um this one is uh much more positive in
[3:53] that we now have the
[3:55] bc restart contribution funding for both
[3:57] uh function 106 and the next one is 107.
[4:00] um just for the committee's
[4:02] understanding the commuter function 106
[4:05] bc restart contribution is 606
[4:08] 000 over two years which is 303 per year
[4:12] that amount is retro to april 1 of 2020
[4:15] and it is also
[4:16] uh shared with the capital regional
[4:18] district for the directors who are
[4:20] unaware that this service is we have a
[4:22] partner with the capital regional
[4:23] district
[4:24] um as the report mentions the bc restart
[4:27] funding comes with three conditions
[4:29] though
[4:29] that the existing service levels be
[4:31] maintained that the current fares also
[4:33] be maintained and any
[4:35] fair increases that are considered are
[4:37] to be limited to an average of 2.3
[4:39] percent
[4:39] for the next four years and the third
[4:42] condition is that the annual operating
[4:43] agreement with bc transit must be
[4:45] approved and signed by january 31 of
[4:47] 2021.
[4:49] there's a separate report going to the
[4:50] 3pm community services meeting later
[4:52] this afternoon to deal with that
[4:54] so with the first two conditions um the
[4:57] options that we provided back on
[4:58] december the 9th to the report they're
[5:00] really not valid
[5:01] uh we can't reduce the service and the
[5:03] fare increases of of 2.3
[5:05] is only 5 cents on a 225 cash fare
[5:10] but the good news is for at least 2021
[5:12] we no longer need to consider reducing
[5:13] services to get the tax requisition
[5:15] level to be zero from the 2020 amount
[5:18] um so there's three amendments that are
[5:20] already made to the draft
[5:22] 2021 function 106 budget that have been
[5:25] incorporated into the two
[5:27] documents or the attachments which is
[5:29] the um
[5:30] the euro the report by cost center as
[5:32] well as the five year plan
[5:34] and the three amendments are the
[5:36] inclusion of the cvrd share of the bc
[5:38] restart funding
[5:39] uh contribution of 167 109
[5:44] and the deferral of the approved new
[5:46] transit assistant position to september
[5:48] of 2021
[5:49] which three hundred saves 17 three
[5:51] dollars
[5:53] and thirdly the increase to the bc
[5:54] transit contract service expense by
[5:56] eight thousand four hundred and fifty
[5:58] one
[5:58] those three items uh end up netting a
[6:01] net
[6:02] savings of the 175 thousand
[6:05] dollars which would mean there's no tax
[6:07] increase for the 2021 year
[6:09] that's really the quick summary of what
[6:11] the staff report is and i'm open to any
[6:13] questions that directors may have
[6:16] okay do i see any hands directors
[6:21] director marsh
[6:26] yeah i don't actually have a question
[6:27] but it is a big relief
[6:29] um for 2021 because i think it would
[6:32] have been
[6:33] hopefully we would have still gone ahead
[6:35] but it would have been tough i know for
[6:37] some people
[6:38] so thank you mr wacom and thank you to
[6:41] was it the province or the feds who gave
[6:43] the restart money
[6:45] it's both it was it was a partnership
[6:46] with the feds and the province
[6:48] fantastic thank you
[6:52] any further directors ready for the
[6:55] question
[6:56] all those in favor opposed if any
[7:01] that motion carries thank you miss lego
[7:05] thank you mr chair item r4's report from
[7:08] facilities and transit division on the
[7:10] 2021 draft budget for function 107
[7:12] conventional and custom transit services
[7:14] and the proposed recommendation is that
[7:16] it be recommended to the board that the
[7:18] 2021 draft budget is amended for
[7:19] function 107 conventional and
[7:21] custom transit services be approved
[7:25] do i have a mover for that one moved and
[7:28] seconded
[7:28] mr wacom would you like to approach this
[7:31] one as well
[7:32] thank you mr chair sure it's a very
[7:34] similar situation
[7:36] when we presented the preliminary uh
[7:38] budget back in december it was
[7:39] very bleak with uh sitting at a large
[7:41] tax increase of about 261 thousand
[7:44] dollars
[7:44] but that was prior to any knowledge of
[7:46] what the bc
[7:48] restart funding contribution would be we
[7:49] now know what that amount is
[7:51] and that amount for function 107 is very
[7:54] similar as 106. it's 604 000
[7:57] over two years again retro back to april
[7:59] one of 2020
[8:00] so the 2021 the 2020 year should also
[8:04] end up being much better than first
[8:06] expected but with regard to 2021 budget
[8:09] which is we're talking about
[8:11] function 107 had eight amendments made
[8:13] to the preliminary budget and again
[8:15] those have already been incorporated
[8:17] so that they were done a couple about a
[8:19] week ago or two weeks ago so the board
[8:21] could get an understanding
[8:23] that transit we knew was going to be
[8:24] down to zero and that you would get a
[8:27] better update when you were looking at
[8:28] other budgets and making decisions
[8:30] so the eight amendments there's really
[8:32] in two parts to this the first four
[8:34] items that are noted in the report
[8:36] these just reflect current uh trends on
[8:38] revenues and so
[8:40] and things like the deferring of the
[8:42] custom sunday service which was already
[8:43] approved
[8:44] so those four items reduce the tax by
[8:46] forty thousand five hundred dollars
[8:49] the balance which are new items the new
[8:51] amendments are
[8:52] again the inclusion of the cvrd share of
[8:54] the bc restart
[8:56] funding amount of 302 000
[8:59] the deferral of the approved new transit
[9:01] assistant position to september which
[9:02] saves 36
[9:03] 000 because this position is cost shared
[9:06] between the two
[9:06] transit functions and thirdly to
[9:09] increase the bc
[9:10] transit contract services by sixty
[9:12] thousand dollars
[9:13] and the last item is to uh include
[9:17] uh fifty eight thousand dollars or
[9:19] specifically fifty seven thousand five
[9:21] hundred and eighty six dollars to
[9:22] transfer to the operating reserve
[9:24] and the reason being to bring the
[9:26] balance closer to the minimum policy
[9:27] requirement we're just under that
[9:29] and so this would help us bring it very
[9:31] close the total of the
[9:33] of the first four items as well as the
[9:35] four new items that have all been
[9:37] incorporated already in the attachments
[9:39] brings the total net savings down
[9:41] exactly what we needed 260 914
[9:45] therefore in summary having no tax
[9:48] increase from 2020. again open to any
[9:50] questions that directors may have
[9:53] looking at my virtual panel do i see any
[9:57] hands
[9:58] questions comments first of all i'd like
[10:01] to thank you mr wacom for
[10:03] for the hard work and getting where we
[10:04] are today uh
[10:06] did not look very promising a couple of
[10:08] weeks ago but uh
[10:09] kudos and implementing those changes
[10:13] thank you
[10:16] so i will call the question all those in
[10:18] favor
[10:20] opposed if any that motion carries
[10:25] miss lego please thank you mr chair onto
[10:28] r5
[10:29] report from the finance division on 2021
[10:31] budget regional supplemental requests
[10:34] and the recommendation is that it be
[10:36] recommended to the board that the
[10:37] supplemental requests for the following
[10:39] functions be approved
[10:40] function 100 general government regional
[10:43] recreation referendum
[10:44] analysis two economic development
[10:46] regional connectivity strategy
[10:49] a three two function 280 regional parks
[10:51] couch and valley trail replacement to
[10:53] major culverts
[10:55] four function 280 regional parks
[10:56] regional active transportation plan
[10:58] five function 280 regional parks vehicle
[11:01] replacement
[11:02] six function 285 regional parkland
[11:04] acquisition master plan review
[11:06] 7520 solid waste management complex
[11:09] transfer station scale replacement
[11:11] and eight function 520 solid waste
[11:14] management complex peerless road skid
[11:16] steer replacement
[11:19] thank you very much uh your pleasure on
[11:21] these would you like to deal with these
[11:23] one at a time
[11:24] um director oh actually i had
[11:27] director wilson first and then director
[11:28] kim
[11:30] uh thank you mr chair um i would like to
[11:33] deal with
[11:34] uh number six um on its own please i i i
[11:38] have some uh comments on that one
[11:44] okay thank you very much director kuhn
[11:53] and director sebring i would move
[11:56] uh items one through eight with the
[11:59] exception of number six just to get
[12:01] those
[12:01] off the table and i have a seconder
[12:07] any further comments on that
[12:11] director smith
[12:17] yes would it be possible to pull um
[12:20] the number uh
[12:24] just a minute the active regional active
[12:28] transportation plan
[12:32] out of there which is i believe number
[12:36] four
[12:41] absolutely if you wish we can do that as
[12:43] well
[12:45] and i think i saw director salmon as
[12:47] well
[12:48] yeah should we pull number one too
[12:50] please
[12:55] so i have one four and six
[12:58] for a discussion any further
[13:04] so director sebring that motion would
[13:07] include those except for six four and
[13:10] one
[13:10] yeah i consider that a friendly
[13:12] amendment i didn't realize other people
[13:14] wanted to pull
[13:14] i jumped the gun so yeah uh all the
[13:16] items except one four and six
[13:18] moved in second seconder's okay with
[13:21] that
[13:21] i'll call the question all those in
[13:23] favor
[13:24] opposed if any sounds good
[13:28] now we'll move to number one for
[13:32] discussion
[13:37] director salmon yeah thank you i just
[13:40] want to make sure i understood it so
[13:42] some of this is for the um
[13:46] referendum and some of it's for the
[13:48] usage
[13:50] monitoring is that correct
[13:56] i see miss aldera nodding okay
[14:00] okay anyway further
[14:03] and then it's all from reserve
[14:08] is that right none from requisition
[14:13] yes ms solera so just if i may just so
[14:17] you don't have to just look at me
[14:18] nodding
[14:18] uh absolutely so this is a combination
[14:21] of the two
[14:22] um initiatives and it will all be coming
[14:24] from operating reserve
[14:26] under uh the general government function
[14:28] which the regional
[14:30] recreation initiative has been funded
[14:32] from
[14:33] thus far
[14:36] yeah okay one point okay i have director
[14:39] stone and then director kuhn
[14:40] oh director stone's fine director kuhn
[14:43] please
[14:44] yeah i just have a comment um if there
[14:48] is a request to draw down money from a
[14:50] reserve fund
[14:52] could we have the figures of the reserve
[14:54] funds attached to that so we know how
[14:56] much
[14:56] is in the reserves and how much is being
[14:58] drawn down from that
[15:01] so we don't have to go ourselves and
[15:03] check out
[15:04] how much is left and and how much is uh
[15:07] being used out of that that would be
[15:09] helpful
[15:10] thank you did i see
[15:13] director markman
[15:17] thank you chair um i just wanted to make
[15:19] sure on the
[15:21] appears to be just a typo under problem
[15:23] opportunity
[15:24] is this intended to say this project
[15:27] is the regional recreation referendum
[15:30] and just dropped the word and
[15:32] or is there something missing
[15:36] um so it's just that it was tied to the
[15:38] regional recreation referendum and two
[15:39] were
[15:40] tied together so sorry about that i was
[15:42] that i thanked george martin for noting
[15:44] the typo
[15:44] uh earlier the other day the two
[15:47] projects they just go hand in hand and
[15:49] it was a combination of
[15:51] two separate supplementals into one
[15:57] so just follow up so what should it
[15:58] actually read then
[16:04] that the project is tied to the regional
[16:06] recreation referendum
[16:10] of doing this facility use analysis okay
[16:13] thank you
[16:16] okay director salmon follow up
[16:19] yeah thank you so uh on the referendum
[16:22] itself
[16:23] so so it'll be held in 2022
[16:28] with the usual or regular elections
[16:32] um and then there'll be some public
[16:35] engagement
[16:36] to do with that in 2021
[16:40] is that am i on the right track with
[16:42] that
[16:43] are you still there
[16:48] that is my understanding i'm i'm looking
[16:50] to see if uh mr elzinga
[16:52] is online as he is the expert
[16:56] i'm not seeing his face pop up
[16:59] so oh there he is sorry to put you on
[17:02] the spot mr alzinka
[17:05] no thank you miss aldera and through the
[17:07] chair uh to the question
[17:09] uh the intent is that the facility use
[17:12] analysis would come in the fall of 2021
[17:15] of course we would be communicating to
[17:17] the board around that
[17:18] because we're certainly aware of covet
[17:21] impacts on facility use
[17:23] so that's the first step then we would
[17:25] be moving through public engagement
[17:28] early in 2022 through to
[17:31] uh referendum uh preparation for october
[17:34] of 2022 as the director is outlined
[17:36] thank you okay so follow-up
[17:40] generally uh so so it's 70 000
[17:44] roughly just to add this referendum
[17:48] question
[17:48] to the regular
[17:52] municipal elections
[18:12] so that includes the public engagement
[18:14] that would uh lead up to the reference
[18:16] so the engagement and the referendum
[18:18] cost would be 70 000
[18:21] as you noted right in addition to the
[18:25] 49 000 2021 engagement costs
[18:30] it looks like
[18:36] i think you're getting an odd there too
[18:38] yes i was just looking to see if mr
[18:42] alzinga was back online his
[18:44] screen is a little frozen on my on my
[18:46] screen and he as i say he is the expert
[18:49] but i believe that the committee and the
[18:50] board received a report previously with
[18:53] respect to this
[18:54] item that discussed the fact that we
[18:56] would do
[18:57] uh various consultation processes over a
[18:59] two year period
[19:00] and this would be the costs and so at
[19:03] that meeting
[19:04] the direction was given to staff to
[19:05] bring forward this supplemental request
[19:07] so this is just finalizing that
[19:09] direction yeah okay thank you
[19:12] i'm just wondering maybe for our future
[19:15] it's hard sometimes to remember the
[19:17] original discussion wanted to
[19:19] there could be a link with from the this
[19:22] sort of
[19:23] budget summary page to the original
[19:25] reports or something like that so we can
[19:28] refresh that might be helpful for the
[19:30] future
[19:31] i don't know if that's a lot of work to
[19:32] do or what
[19:35] thank you for that director salmon i
[19:37] think i saw director smith
[19:43] thank you through the chair to staff
[19:45] will
[19:46] the consultant for use analysis uh
[19:50] also include the um
[19:53] 2011 uh data
[19:56] that was collected and then the report
[19:59] from
[20:01] 2017 that was
[20:03] also data collected will that be brought
[20:06] into this
[20:07] uh analysis thank you
[20:12] thank you for the question is mr alzinga
[20:16] still with us
[20:24] i don't see him popping up
[20:27] anyone else like to take this
[20:33] perhaps upon his return he he will uh
[20:37] answer that for you director smith if
[20:38] that's appropriate
[20:40] i think he's logged out and back in so
[20:41] we may have to ask the question again
[20:43] yeah so if he does return we'll go back
[20:46] to your question
[20:47] director smith if time permits there he
[20:51] is
[20:52] did you happen to hear the question uh
[20:54] mr el-zinka
[20:55] i did if you can hear me in my apologies
[20:57] to the committee for the connection
[20:58] issues so
[20:59] uh through to director smith yes the
[21:02] intent
[21:02] is that the two facility use analysis
[21:05] would be combined
[21:07] in the recommendation that goes forward
[21:08] a referendum in october so we would be
[21:10] using the 2011 facility use analysis
[21:13] as well as or sorry the the most recent
[21:15] facility use analysis
[21:17] as well as the one that's proposed for
[21:18] uh for 2021.
[21:21] follow-up director smith
[21:24] is there some reason that you wouldn't
[21:26] be using the analysis from
[21:28] 2011. the
[21:31] uh 2011 facility use analysis has some
[21:34] concerns because two-tiered admission
[21:36] fees for the couch and aquatic center
[21:37] were in play
[21:38] at that time and that could be
[21:42] potentially impacting upon those numbers
[21:47] we could certainly bring that forward
[21:48] again to the board for consideration
[21:52] with an axe stating that the two tier
[21:54] was in place at that time maybe
[21:56] maybe something to consider
[22:00] exactly yeah i'll come back oh sorry
[22:03] the two tier was only for the aquatic
[22:06] center
[22:07] thank you i know i can see you aaron
[22:10] thanks i have director marsh and then
[22:13] director still
[22:15] yes thank you very much mr chair thank
[22:17] you to mr elzinga
[22:19] um i imagine your department will be
[22:22] crafting the
[22:23] wording of the referendum so i'm i'm
[22:26] hoping that
[22:28] it wouldn't be complicated by explaining
[22:31] the two-tier before
[22:32] and because i think for referendums it's
[22:36] um most important that it's short and
[22:39] sweet
[22:40] clear but short and sweet so what's your
[22:43] thoughts about that
[22:46] through the chair to director marsh i
[22:49] would certainly be leaning on the
[22:50] expertise of the legislative services
[22:52] division
[22:53] finance division and others
[22:55] communications as well
[22:57] as we move forward not only with the
[22:58] crafting of the referendum question but
[23:01] public engagement that leads up to it
[23:04] okay thank you thank you very much i
[23:07] have director stone then director
[23:09] sebring
[23:10] i just wanted to remind that this isn't
[23:12] the time to be discussing these things
[23:14] other than the budget impacts once we
[23:16] get into the actual practicalities of
[23:18] the usage analysis and stuff
[23:20] when we're actually discussing the items
[23:22] and because if we get into this on every
[23:24] budget item it's going to be an
[23:25] extremely long meeting
[23:28] thank you for that director stone uh
[23:31] procedurally we'll try to stick to the
[23:33] budget portion
[23:34] uh direct receiver and taking into
[23:37] account what director stone said i'm
[23:39] going to be very brief
[23:40] for somebody to say that this only
[23:42] affects the aquatic center
[23:44] from our perspective at north carolina
[23:46] that's the biggest
[23:47] unit and if we start including those
[23:50] 2011
[23:51] numbers we have a problem at the market
[23:54] tonight i'm just
[23:55] saying that so but this is not the time
[23:57] or the place we'll have the discussion
[23:59] later thank you
[24:00] and we will bring that forward in a
[24:03] future meeting for that discussion
[24:05] i was remiss in not uh welcoming
[24:07] alternative director justice so i'll do
[24:09] that now
[24:10] uh welcome alternate director justice my
[24:12] apologies
[24:14] are we finished on number one then
[24:18] call the question all those in favor
[24:22] opposed if any that motion carries and i
[24:25] acknowledge director nicholson has
[24:27] returned
[24:28] we will come back to r1 when we're
[24:30] finished a couple of points here
[24:32] on r5 we have delayed r1
[24:38] so i believe number four was pulled as
[24:40] well
[24:43] and who pulled that one
[24:46] please remind me director smith
[24:54] i i'm just looking for a little more
[24:56] detail
[24:57] from staff on this i
[25:01] i feel that it it's a good
[25:04] um look
[25:07] looking at a regional act of
[25:10] transportation was part of our trial
[25:12] our strategic planning and it's good to
[25:15] see that this is moving forward
[25:18] i just am wondering if with all our
[25:21] um with a lot of the master plans for
[25:25] parks if some of that information is
[25:28] already
[25:29] in the master plans for a b
[25:32] c d and e for
[25:35] that and so i was just wondering how
[25:39] those are going to mix in with this
[25:42] in the requirements for this consultant
[25:47] director stone
[25:51] i was just getting on the speakers list
[25:53] i just remind again this is a budget
[25:55] discussion so i have a budget question
[25:57] when my
[25:57] my time comes thank you okay i'll leave
[26:00] you on the list i'll go to mr parker
[26:05] thank you mr chair through the committee
[26:07] uh certainly with some
[26:09] within our community parks master plans
[26:11] and i understand with some of our
[26:12] members valley plans as well
[26:15] there are references and higher level
[26:19] aspirations with respect to active
[26:21] transportation
[26:22] the intention of undertaking an act
[26:24] transmission plan for the region
[26:26] uh would be to delve into it in greater
[26:28] detail to
[26:29] affirm uh opportunities for active
[26:32] transportation
[26:33] within our road networks
[26:35] interconnectivity and get it to a level
[26:37] where
[26:38] we are ideally at a position that has
[26:41] other levels of government and other
[26:43] programs come along which could provide
[26:45] funding
[26:46] uh that we've got a level of detail and
[26:49] public support
[26:50] to be able to go after those those funds
[26:53] and actually integrate
[26:54] uh the plan into establishing
[26:57] the network so the master plans do make
[27:01] note but they were at a very high level
[27:03] this will be really delving into a
[27:04] better analysis of
[27:06] functionality within our network of
[27:08] where active transportation
[27:10] could be established
[27:14] okay director stone
[27:17] i'm just following up on the meeting
[27:19] that we had had with the province there
[27:20] was discussion
[27:22] about some funding for active
[27:24] transportation and i know there's
[27:26] you know some contemplated
[27:27] infrastructure funding but is there not
[27:29] still some grant funding available for
[27:31] the actual planning work
[27:35] mr chair yes through the provincial
[27:38] active transportation
[27:39] program they do annually allocate out
[27:42] funds both for
[27:44] projects for construction as well as
[27:48] sort of feasibility analysis design the
[27:51] current round of funding has been
[27:52] allocated out
[27:53] so as you'll note in the
[27:56] the supplemental we see this as being a
[27:59] two-year initiative so we certainly
[28:00] want to look at the next round ideally
[28:03] coming up for 2021
[28:05] to be able to tap into that to help
[28:06] supplement the
[28:08] funding that otherwise we put towards
[28:10] this work so
[28:11] absolutely any chance we can get
[28:13] additional funds elsewhere
[28:15] to offset the cost of doing a
[28:17] transportation plan for active
[28:19] active transportation we definitely want
[28:21] to go after that but at this point in
[28:22] time
[28:23] there's no funds currently available
[28:25] that we're aware of
[28:29] follow up directly stone yeah i uh yeah
[28:32] i can follow up offline we can always
[28:34] amend it but i'm i'm reading the
[28:36] there's open applications it looks like
[28:38] on the page i'm looking at right now but
[28:40] we can follow up after
[28:43] okay thank you very much have director
[28:44] marsh then director salmon
[28:48] thank you mr chair i just wanted to
[28:51] appreciate uh
[28:53] excuse me in the staff report um
[28:57] under recommendations that they pointed
[28:59] out that the first
[29:00] five uh
[29:03] of these eight resolutions were
[29:06] really important they were ranked as
[29:09] number one importance and
[29:12] i think it's really helpful when we're
[29:13] looking at that in a year that
[29:16] that many people are feeling
[29:20] should be an austerity budget year i
[29:22] think it's important to
[29:24] to pay attention to that so i really
[29:26] appreciate that you spelled that out
[29:28] very clearly thank you
[29:31] thank you director marsh director salmon
[29:32] you're next
[29:35] yeah thank you yeah i'm just a little
[29:37] skeptical
[29:38] on the value that you know these these
[29:41] plans
[29:41] uh tend to end up on the shelf uh
[29:45] uh with many others so i'm just thinking
[29:47] in this year
[29:49] uh when we're where constraints are more
[29:52] than usual if
[29:54] i would prefer to let this one wait so
[29:57] we do have
[29:59] the local plans as lynn said and um
[30:02] yeah i actually just can't see myself
[30:05] supporting this one
[30:08] fair enough any further speakers
[30:13] i'm going to call the question all those
[30:15] in favor
[30:18] those opposed i see director
[30:21] sebring opposed director salmon opposed
[30:24] director smith
[30:25] and director wilson opposed
[30:28] that motion does carry thank you
[30:33] and i believe number six would be the
[30:35] next one that was pulled
[30:42] and that was the regional parks trail
[30:45] master plan i believe
[30:48] who pulled that one
[30:51] director wilson would you like to uh
[30:53] start us off
[30:56] thank you mr chair um
[30:59] mr chair i agree that uh we need a
[31:02] review of the acquisition program
[31:04] there's no two ways about that because
[31:06] i've been looking very very carefully
[31:07] into what's uh what's been going on in
[31:09] there since uh 2008
[31:11] what i have a problem with and as a
[31:14] director stone has pointed out this is a
[31:16] question of
[31:16] budgetary stuff and one hundred thousand
[31:19] dollars for consultants
[31:23] seems to be an awful lot now i'm going
[31:25] back to when
[31:26] i was a so-called consultant and i know
[31:29] what i
[31:29] charged and the number of days that's
[31:31] involved here
[31:33] is excessive to say the least it works
[31:36] out to at least
[31:39] a thousand a hundred days
[31:42] and if you work that out it's gonna be
[31:44] something like about four or five
[31:46] months of eight hour five day week so
[31:50] that's a pretty in intensive thing and i
[31:52] i cannot support
[31:54] spending 100 000 on
[31:57] something which really is this could
[32:00] easily be done
[32:01] i think in-house uh with
[32:04] um maybe even a subcommittee um but i
[32:07] can't i can't support spending a hundred
[32:09] thousand dollars on this kind of thing
[32:12] thank you very much i have director
[32:15] director marsh did i miss anyone
[32:17] director morrison yes i am
[32:21] also against spending a hundred thousand
[32:23] dollars on
[32:25] another uh study
[32:28] uh we are spending a lot of money on
[32:32] on these consultations and uh uh
[32:35] i do believe uh we have a master plan
[32:38] if we think we should adjust it we can
[32:40] do that in-house i don't think
[32:41] there's a need to to hire somebody for a
[32:44] hundred thousand dollars to tell us
[32:46] well maybe it would be better if we did
[32:47] this now uh
[32:49] um i am totally against that thank you
[32:53] thank you director marsh then director
[32:55] morrison
[32:57] yes thank you mr chair um as the
[33:00] um i don't know the part of the report
[33:03] that
[33:04] addresses this item specifically
[33:07] um says uh under the problem opportunity
[33:12] that um as we're
[33:16] you know envisioning securing in
[33:17] perpetuity a variety of outdoor
[33:20] recreational opportunities and talking
[33:23] about livability etc
[33:25] but it goes on to to speak about
[33:28] our 2020 22 22 strategic
[33:32] plan and also
[33:35] that we want to consider the protection
[33:38] of
[33:39] sensitive ecosystems and significant
[33:42] environmental features and
[33:45] um opportunities for
[33:50] all kinds of other things um i'm
[33:52] assuming and maybe uh mr farquhar if
[33:55] you're still there you could tell me
[33:57] i'm assuming the consultant wouldn't be
[33:59] sitting at a desk they would be going
[34:01] out and looking
[34:02] at the regional parks and and checking
[34:05] out um
[34:07] some of the sensitive ecosystems am i
[34:09] right
[34:12] mr chair through to director marsh
[34:14] correct this would be
[34:15] a full-scale review
[34:19] uh and update of our regional parks
[34:20] trails master plan that currently is in
[34:22] place
[34:23] understanding that the through the board
[34:25] strategic plan that there's a bit of a
[34:27] shift interest in looking at
[34:30] expansion or a change to the priorities
[34:34] under the program so similar to when the
[34:36] plan was done back in 2006-2007
[34:40] through consultants the consultants led
[34:43] the process from start to finish
[34:45] including doing
[34:47] assessments including engaging with the
[34:49] public community groups interest groups
[34:51] preparing the overall plan of all the
[34:54] level of public engagement
[34:56] and also would be looking at in this
[34:58] case
[34:59] the interests other opportunities to
[35:02] support the program
[35:04] through non-tax dollars by way of
[35:06] donations or other means that the
[35:09] the board has indicated an interest in
[35:11] looking into so this would also be
[35:12] delving into that as well
[35:14] so the ability for staff the current
[35:16] your current staff resources within the
[35:18] parks and trails division
[35:19] i would not be able to undertake uh an
[35:22] initiative of this scale
[35:24] uh based on the requirements uh that
[35:25] would be laid out in doing
[35:28] right and so i just like to you know i
[35:31] acknowledge what um
[35:33] director wilson said um
[35:37] i wasn't i guess considered a consultant
[35:40] i was a facilitator
[35:41] and that's been almost 10 years and i
[35:44] was paid a thousand dollars a day
[35:46] so i imagine if i was to go back to that
[35:49] um it would be a little bit more than
[35:51] that
[35:52] 10 years later and so you know i just
[35:56] have every confidence that this has been
[35:58] carefully looked at because the board
[35:59] has made it really really clear
[36:02] that they wanted to have
[36:05] this zero percent increase and
[36:09] i have from the very first day
[36:12] i've sat at this table which is probably
[36:15] eight years ago
[36:17] heard that staff are at capacity so how
[36:19] we could
[36:20] find as wasn't quite how
[36:23] uh mr farquhar worded it but
[36:27] i just don't see that we have the staff
[36:29] that could take
[36:30] four to five months to do this so
[36:33] um i do not believe this is for a
[36:37] um plan that's going to sit on a shelf
[36:40] this is for an um
[36:44] active plan to um
[36:47] tie together all of our parks and you
[36:49] know i don't think any of us
[36:51] can who've spent any time outdoors
[36:54] during this
[36:54] uh current pandemic
[36:58] can deny that parks have never
[37:01] i don't think been used as much as they
[37:03] are now
[37:04] and it's my belief that once people get
[37:07] the bug in their blood
[37:09] even when the pandemic's done they're
[37:11] going to still be out there
[37:13] and uh that makes for savings
[37:16] in in tax dollars albeit from other
[37:19] levels of government but
[37:21] as a few people are fond of saying
[37:23] there's only there's only one taxpayer
[37:26] so i i do support this i'm really
[37:28] grateful
[37:29] for the work staffs put into it and
[37:32] um i will be voting in favor thank you
[37:36] director marsh i have director morrison
[37:38] steve spring then
[37:39] thank you mr chair uh
[37:43] so i'd like to maybe ask two things uh
[37:47] first one being process i don't believe
[37:51] this item has been moved and though we
[37:53] voted on the other two i
[37:55] didn't hear them being moved or seconded
[37:57] either i
[37:58] would love to be wrong but i think we're
[38:01] supposed to move and second each item
[38:02] before we uh address them
[38:05] so uh if that could be correct that i
[38:07] i'd be more than willing to move this
[38:08] item if
[38:10] if that would be the uh proper
[38:12] procedural thing to do
[38:14] uh and if there's a problem if you're
[38:16] gonna
[38:23] thank you mr chair so um you know i'm
[38:26] i'm i struggle in that we've had
[38:29] a a lot of discussion about the uh
[38:33] regional parkland acquisition fund um i
[38:36] attended a number of the meetings in 07
[38:38] and 08 when
[38:39] they were originally held to establish
[38:42] the plan and pass the
[38:43] referendum numbers it was a monumental
[38:47] effort as i'm sure mr farquhar and other
[38:49] other people that participated
[38:51] in it would agree and
[38:54] there has been significant discussion
[38:56] around this table
[38:58] about the funding of that particular
[39:00] function
[39:01] and i believe that it was this board
[39:04] that said that
[39:05] that needed a redo and a relook so
[39:08] i'm i'm struggling with the notion that
[39:10] we
[39:11] sent staff away to uh to
[39:14] put together something that would give
[39:16] us a an idea what it would cost to do
[39:19] the redo
[39:20] and they go away and do it and then they
[39:22] come back and and we say
[39:24] well hang on maybe this isn't something
[39:27] that we want to do
[39:29] i'm really interested in a review
[39:32] of the regional parkland acquisition
[39:34] button because it was a different scope
[39:37] that was established then the list of
[39:40] targeted properties
[39:41] were really more of a recreational
[39:44] nature than they were of
[39:45] a environmental and uh environmental
[39:49] asset
[39:49] perspective so you know i would support
[39:53] this but i certainly understand
[39:55] the rationale of maybe this isn't the
[39:57] year
[39:58] to proceed and i think referring it to
[40:01] the
[40:02] 2022 budget would be more than
[40:04] appropriate but i won't make that motion
[40:06] thank you mr chair thank you director
[40:08] morrison
[40:09] uh hopefully we did move in second the
[40:11] previous two
[40:12] i i'm i'm not sure if we did or not
[40:15] we'll look back at the video later
[40:17] i have director sebring director
[40:19] director nicholson
[40:20] and director salmon thank you mr chair
[40:24] um a hundred thousand dollars is a lot
[40:27] of money for a consultant
[40:28] uh let me start there and i i don't
[40:30] disagree with the points made by the
[40:32] directors uh kuhn and wilson
[40:36] equally i'm interested in the scope of
[40:40] this review because
[40:42] what are we reviewing in terms of the
[40:44] parkland acquisition
[40:45] fund you know i have long made the case
[40:48] and some of you have heard me make this
[40:50] case going back several years
[40:52] that this function that we have is
[40:55] creating you know acquiring parkland
[40:57] over here
[40:58] when we do that we create a bunch of
[41:00] cost drivers over here
[41:02] in terms of the maintenance and the um
[41:05] the work involved
[41:07] in in maintaining and and
[41:10] operating the parks that we acquire with
[41:12] the parkland acquisition fund
[41:14] uh stoney hill is the best example i
[41:16] mean you know that thing has been so
[41:18] popular that now
[41:19] you know i don't know where that is and
[41:20] i'm not necessarily looking for that
[41:22] mate but
[41:23] you know last year was talking about oh
[41:24] my god now we got to do a a
[41:26] sustainability piece for stony hill
[41:28] because people are off the trails and
[41:29] we're doing environmental damage so the
[41:34] scope of this
[41:35] study that we're that we're being asked
[41:37] to approve here
[41:39] would that include the notion
[41:42] of saying um you know the part-time
[41:45] acquisition fund
[41:46] should be about more than just acquiring
[41:49] parkland it should also look at the
[41:50] ramifications of doing that
[41:53] in terms of some of the cost drivers
[41:54] over on the other side and and i don't
[41:56] know whether we need
[41:58] um i'm not even sure whether we can do
[42:00] it whether we whether we could do
[42:02] a direction to staff to say this fund is
[42:05] not just to be used for acquisition but
[42:07] you know 70 for acquisition and 30 for
[42:10] the resulting costs i i don't know how
[42:12] that works because
[42:13] this fund was approved in a referendum
[42:15] would we have to go back to referendum
[42:17] to change
[42:18] the terms of this function i i don't
[42:20] know that but
[42:21] that's the kind of information that i'd
[42:22] like to see come out of this
[42:24] review is that part of the scope of what
[42:27] we're
[42:27] asking the consultant to look at for 100
[42:30] 000
[42:31] and if not why not
[42:35] mr chair that would certainly be
[42:36] inclusive as part of uh the overall
[42:38] review update of the plan and direction
[42:41] yes that would be incredible awesome to
[42:42] hear thank you then i'll be supporting
[42:44] this
[42:50] allocating some funds to maintenance
[42:52] that would probably require
[42:55] going back to referendum as it was quite
[42:57] specific on the purchase
[42:59] within that original implication so
[43:03] that's what i'd like that's what i'd
[43:05] like to see coming out of the report
[43:07] and i see and i see our cao is sitting
[43:11] at the dock of the bay
[43:15] right did you did you have something to
[43:17] respond to by
[43:18] my little ramp thank you
[43:21] oh thank you mr chair yeah actually i'm
[43:23] sitting that is the dock of one of our
[43:24] regional parks
[43:25] butte island uh behind me um i i think
[43:28] i'll let the conversation unfold but i
[43:31] have a suggestion that might help us
[43:32] help
[43:33] work through this because i think what
[43:34] we're getting caught up in is
[43:36] the project and uh you really need to
[43:38] outline the scope before you start
[43:39] applying a cost to it and so
[43:41] i'll let the committee continue to have
[43:43] their conversation but there may be
[43:45] another option that you might want to
[43:46] consider moving forward so i'll turn it
[43:47] back to the chair thank you mr chair
[43:49] thank you very much i'll keep looking
[43:51] for that doc when i've exhausted my
[43:53] speakers list
[43:54] i have director nicholson salmon
[43:58] wilson and marsh
[44:02] director yes i would like to get
[44:04] back to what
[44:05] uh director mark said earlier and i
[44:08] agree with that and that is
[44:10] this should be an austerity budget
[44:14] to spend a hundred thousand dollars on a
[44:16] study does not go with an austerity
[44:19] budget
[44:19] i'm sorry this uh i could see a
[44:22] possibility of uh
[44:24] director morrison indicated maybe to
[44:26] push it over into next year
[44:28] i would support that but i'm not willing
[44:30] to support that for this year
[44:32] thank you thank you and just a reminder
[44:36] directors um we are being recorded
[44:40] so your body language can be seen
[44:43] we don't always agree but let's agree to
[44:46] disagree
[44:47] uh director nicholson
[44:52] thank you um i think this is a
[44:56] a very important topic and i
[44:59] am i think
[45:03] some people have thought that staff
[45:05] would be able to do this work i don't
[45:07] think they have the either either the
[45:09] capacity or
[45:10] probably the skill set when you're
[45:12] talking about um
[45:13] the equal benefits of protecting
[45:16] parkland
[45:17] and so i think that we do need to do a
[45:20] review with qualified people that can
[45:22] provide that kind of advice
[45:24] i also think that it's we have a
[45:27] community asset
[45:29] out there many people in the community
[45:31] are very engaged in parks
[45:32] and actually have a lot of the the
[45:35] qualifications that you might be looking
[45:36] for
[45:37] and i um based on our conversation about
[45:40] what the scope of this is
[45:42] i think that we would benefit from
[45:46] setting up a committee to help us
[45:49] develop
[45:50] some terms of reference for this review
[45:53] and to
[45:54] start to have a community conversation
[45:56] because it's important to bring the
[45:57] community along on this
[45:58] topic because they are very um
[46:01] interested in it
[46:02] um and
[46:06] i think that this would probably be
[46:08] better if it was phased over two years
[46:10] so to try and
[46:11] do at less cost this year to try and set
[46:15] up a
[46:16] commission or a committee or whatever
[46:18] the right term is for this
[46:20] um a standing committee i guess to do
[46:23] that
[46:23] to do to help with the work and to get
[46:26] the
[46:26] framework figured out and then next year
[46:29] go ahead with the review
[46:31] i suspect that there's quite a bit of
[46:33] technical information that we don't have
[46:36] about our parks and their i know that we
[46:39] haven't done an ecological inventory for
[46:42] example
[46:43] and i think that kind of work is going
[46:45] to be important as we move forward
[46:48] but ultimately from my perspective
[46:51] the most important thing right now is to
[46:53] be continuing to put money in the bank
[46:55] so when properties
[46:58] opportunities to purchase properties
[47:00] arise that we know have significant
[47:03] ecological value and we need to be able
[47:06] to position to
[47:07] purchase those so and i think there's
[47:09] enough um
[47:10] community knowledge about which those
[47:12] properties are right now because we
[47:13] don't really have
[47:14] um a large number of parks
[47:18] um as it is so i i guess i would be
[47:21] interested in sort of a phased approach
[47:23] with community involvement
[47:26] thank you very much director nicholson i
[47:28] have director salmon
[47:29] wilson marsh and smith director salmon
[47:32] please
[47:33] yeah thank you um i i prefer to wait
[47:37] till 20.2 for a couple of reasons
[47:40] um you know it's it's almost like i'd
[47:43] rather put 100 000 into uh
[47:45] actual acquisition if we were going to
[47:47] do that rather than
[47:48] a study i think sometimes we fall into
[47:51] this sort of spill and a study that just
[47:54] having it done will make it happen
[47:56] whereas of course it's
[47:57] this all depends on the availability of
[48:00] the actual
[48:01] land and whether we can make a deal so
[48:04] i think in this year um given that our
[48:08] existing master plan
[48:09] actually supposed to run to the end of
[48:11] 2022 would be uh
[48:13] i'd much prefer to uh defer starting
[48:16] that and maybe get a bit more clarity on
[48:18] the scope of what we're trying to do in
[48:19] the meantime
[48:21] thank you thank you moving on to
[48:24] director wilson
[48:27] thank you mr chair yeah um i'm glad this
[48:30] has brought forward
[48:31] this discussion because it is an
[48:33] important one i
[48:34] think one of the things i've got to pick
[48:36] up on is that um
[48:38] i'm not picking on you director marsh
[48:39] but you said that this board has made it
[48:41] clear
[48:42] that they want a 0 mandate increase here
[48:46] uh this is not going to be uh helping
[48:48] that in any other way
[48:50] um and i'd like to know whether some of
[48:53] them
[48:53] some of the phrases which are used in in
[48:55] this report here
[48:57] um for uh environmental uh protection
[49:01] conservation etc
[49:03] under the lga i've looked and i can't
[49:06] see
[49:06] anywhere in the lga where there's a
[49:08] mandate for local government
[49:10] such as ours to protect ecosystems or
[49:13] something like that that is a provincial
[49:16] um area and i don't see anywhere else
[49:19] that
[49:20] uh that it's going in one of the most
[49:22] important parts that
[49:24] has to be looked at is it's all very
[49:26] well and and and i'm glad that
[49:28] um director sebring brought this up was
[49:30] the cost
[49:31] of maintaining the land once we've got
[49:34] it
[49:34] every report that has come forward has
[49:36] said basically
[49:37] uh we're going to buy this lender we'd
[49:39] like to buy this land it's going to cost
[49:40] a million dollars
[49:41] nowhere in those reports does it say but
[49:45] it's gonna cost us two hundred thousand
[49:46] a year to maintain develop or improve
[49:48] this
[49:49] and this is something that i would like
[49:51] to see in any report that comes forward
[49:53] regarding acquisition there should be a
[49:56] section in there
[49:57] which includes a detailed analysis
[50:01] of the possible costs involved in taking
[50:03] that on
[50:04] you buy a car it's going to cost you you
[50:06] buy a house it's going to cost you as it
[50:08] comes on
[50:09] we don't see those detailed analyses of
[50:12] where
[50:13] and how much it's going to cost as we go
[50:14] forward and that's something i would
[50:16] like to see in
[50:17] involved one of the things that was
[50:19] touched on was that
[50:21] all this was agreed by referendum and
[50:23] any changes would have to go
[50:25] back to a referendum and in this
[50:27] particular case um
[50:28] i'm going to say thank you very much to
[50:30] the finance department because
[50:32] we've had um i've had some discussions
[50:34] with them during the week
[50:36] they're very very good at explaining uh
[50:40] the intricacies of what goes on as far
[50:42] as financing is concerned and i have a
[50:44] much better picture
[50:45] yes this would have any changes to the
[50:47] acquisition would have to go back to a
[50:49] referendum
[50:50] um certainly not the much maligned aap
[50:54] that's for sure so we can't change the
[50:58] acquisition without going to
[51:00] a a very costly thing but what we can do
[51:04] is make sure that any acquisition report
[51:06] that comes forward
[51:08] contains a section which says if we do
[51:11] this is what it will cost you for the
[51:14] next five years
[51:15] thank you very much thank you directoris
[51:19] wilson i have director marsh director
[51:21] smith
[51:22] and director staples yes
[51:25] thank you very much mr chair i believe
[51:28] what i
[51:28] said was um i acknowledge that
[51:33] a lot of people on the board wanted this
[51:35] to be honest
[51:36] an austerity austerity budget
[51:39] so um director kuhn if you thought i was
[51:41] saying that i
[51:42] agreed with that that's not what i was
[51:44] saying
[51:46] the part of the report
[51:49] i don't know what you call it the the um
[51:56] the second part the the part comes up
[51:58] that comes out of the main page
[52:00] uh speaks about the need for
[52:05] protection and preservation of
[52:11] sensitive ecosystems and someone sent me
[52:14] an article this morning
[52:16] written in the guardian that i i haven't
[52:18] had a chance to read
[52:19] but basically um it's
[52:23] this will give you an idea top
[52:26] scientists
[52:27] warn of ghastly future of mass
[52:30] extinction and climate disruption
[52:34] and and i think that we've you know for
[52:38] well as long as i've been a counselor or
[52:40] and or a director but even longer
[52:43] we've known that um we were on a course
[52:47] but should we continue it um
[52:51] and i'm talking about the collective
[52:53] worldwide we
[52:54] because i think uh 10 years ago the cbrd
[52:58] was doing some really great things in
[52:59] terms of
[53:00] purchasing land but it seems to me given
[53:04] um the
[53:07] [Music]
[53:09] acceleration of the changes we've been
[53:12] warned we're coming for quite some time
[53:15] you know for instance um you know the
[53:18] entire
[53:19] west coast of the united states burning
[53:21] most of the summer
[53:23] and the number of floods i think
[53:26] i think someone told me and i didn't
[53:28] check it out i believed them
[53:30] that and it was before last night's
[53:32] storm
[53:33] that in a period of about eight days we
[53:36] had
[53:36] seven storms or something like that in
[53:38] this general region
[53:41] so mr chair point of order are we
[53:43] talking about budget here are we talking
[53:45] about the
[53:46] environment
[53:49] thank you director wilson continue
[53:51] director marsh
[53:52] thank you mr chair so um
[53:57] i so uh i feel that um
[54:02] you know if people want to put it off
[54:05] you know that's could be the way they go
[54:07] i would prefer to get started
[54:10] especially if as has been said it's
[54:12] going to take four to five months
[54:16] and you know we are actually
[54:19] so fortunate here to have
[54:23] so much land and um
[54:27] much of it is fee simple land and
[54:31] so i think that given we've run down the
[54:34] reserves pretty low in this function
[54:38] and um we agreed as part of our
[54:41] strategic plan we wanted to have a
[54:43] review of it
[54:45] um you know i would hate to miss uh
[54:48] the chance to to do um
[54:53] purchases that would help us do our part
[54:57] and and adapt because i think the
[54:59] mitigation
[55:00] of climate change those days are over
[55:03] now
[55:04] we are facing it and it's going to
[55:06] continue to get worse
[55:08] and the decisions we make today will
[55:11] affect our great grandchildren
[55:13] on how bad it's going to be including
[55:16] potentially leading to extinction so
[55:19] i i support doing this um
[55:22] and i as you know would support the full
[55:25] acquisition which
[55:27] i understand um is not likely to happen
[55:31] under this
[55:32] this board but i i'll end with saying
[55:34] that
[55:35] a statistical survey done
[55:38] by the center for policy alternatives in
[55:41] canada
[55:43] um the results of that were that 71
[55:48] of canadians want every level of
[55:51] government
[55:52] that includes local to do everything
[55:54] they can
[55:56] no matter what it costs basically
[56:00] to preserve uh our ecosystems
[56:03] and to do our part in adapting
[56:06] to climate change um
[56:09] so you can read that in um
[56:14] a book called a good war
[56:17] and it's all right i hate to cut you off
[56:20] i do have an extensive speaker's list
[56:24] i'm done thank you very much thank you
[56:26] for your tolerance i know that we do
[56:28] uh that you do support the function and
[56:31] we appreciate your
[56:33] your input director smith staples
[56:36] yanni dinardo and salmon
[56:40] uh thank you i also um
[56:43] have concerns with the development costs
[56:47] involved in purchasing uh land
[56:51] that this function definitely doesn't
[56:54] take that into consideration it's very
[56:57] important i mean we're sitting here
[56:58] looking at
[57:00] rcao's background picture which is butte
[57:03] island
[57:04] and a wharf and that comes with
[57:07] conditional
[57:09] assessments and wondering what the
[57:12] replacement cost of that is
[57:14] so i think that we need to also take
[57:16] into consideration
[57:17] development costs whether trails will be
[57:19] put into the property
[57:21] along with the purchase price i
[57:24] also have concerns that the province of
[57:27] bc
[57:28] should be looking at tracts of land and
[57:31] conservancy organizations
[57:35] that purchase land so i'm a little
[57:38] concerned about us
[57:39] heading off into a direction that is not
[57:42] something we're mandated
[57:44] as a local government i
[57:47] believe that we need to pursue this
[57:50] looking into it
[57:52] but a hundred thousand out of operating
[57:54] reserves at this time
[57:56] is a hundred thousand that's not
[57:58] available for
[57:59] the purchase of land i will not be
[58:02] supporting
[58:03] this uh project at this time
[58:07] thank you thank you very much director
[58:09] smith i have director staples next
[58:13] yeah thank you i think that we always
[58:15] have to remember the cost of
[58:16] when we don't do things as well um
[58:19] this this every time this topic comes up
[58:22] um at our board anything related to
[58:24] parks we sort of
[58:26] seem to meander away from the actual
[58:28] motion that's on the floor
[58:29] and what we're actually discussing
[58:31] discussing into the
[58:32] you know whether or not we value the
[58:34] importance of parks
[58:36] and since everyone's been going there
[58:38] i'm gonna step
[58:39] in at this time and go there as well
[58:42] because the public has been
[58:46] over and over again in in surveys that
[58:48] we've done at the city and surveys that
[58:50] the regional district
[58:51] has done in the people who have come to
[58:53] the budget meetings
[58:54] one of the things that people talk about
[58:56] particularly
[58:58] more now than ever during covid is the
[59:01] importance
[59:02] of parks the importance of outdoor space
[59:04] that's accessible to everyone
[59:06] the importance of protecting those
[59:08] spaces
[59:09] and as i've heard a million times
[59:13] at every conference i've ever gone to
[59:16] from local politicians from people
[59:19] you know we we can say that we need the
[59:22] province to do this
[59:23] but this is the community that we live
[59:25] in and we need to decide what's
[59:27] important to us and our community has
[59:29] asked us over and over again to value
[59:32] parks to value outdoor spaces to value
[59:35] our ecosystem and to protect it
[59:38] and so i'm not saying that this study is
[59:42] is i liked director nicholson's idea of
[59:45] phasing something in i think that that
[59:47] would be something
[59:48] at this time that would um be
[59:51] appropriate
[59:52] but i think the ongoing conversation
[59:55] about
[59:55] not supporting um and protecting
[59:59] space in our region is is not a
[1:00:02] direction that we should go as a board
[1:00:06] thank you thank you director staples
[1:00:09] perhaps we have to lean
[1:00:11] lenient of a chair to allow that sort of
[1:00:13] discussion to
[1:00:14] continue no in all fairness i think all
[1:00:18] points of view are
[1:00:19] our relatives but if we can stick to the
[1:00:21] budget portion that we're
[1:00:22] discussing today i'd appreciate that
[1:00:25] director yanni dinardo
[1:00:27] thank you mr chair um i would just like
[1:00:30] to say that
[1:00:31] uh the scope of this i am in favor
[1:00:34] of the parkland acquisition but it we
[1:00:38] did say that we wanted a review
[1:00:40] um i'm just concerned about the scope of
[1:00:43] this review i'm all in favor of it
[1:00:46] and um i i kind of between
[1:00:49] uh director sebring and director
[1:00:51] nicholson the maintenance the long-term
[1:00:53] costs
[1:00:54] like they're all great but what will it
[1:00:56] cost us
[1:00:57] later it should be in the scope like it
[1:00:59] needs to be
[1:01:00] the maintenance the whole package is
[1:01:02] this another staff member is this you
[1:01:04] know i believe that we need to look at
[1:01:06] this
[1:01:07] in likely even a phased
[1:01:10] um in a phased project too
[1:01:13] so part of it this year and and part of
[1:01:16] it next year and not really rushing it
[1:01:18] and just having
[1:01:20] you know a consultant paper we need to
[1:01:22] really look at this in
[1:01:24] and the long-term costs as well
[1:01:27] i think our cio would like to chime in
[1:01:30] on this yeah thank you mr chair so i've
[1:01:31] been listening to the conversation and
[1:01:33] directors are all making good points and
[1:01:35] maybe just to help you along
[1:01:38] and to compile a bunch of the comments
[1:01:39] that were made we can afford to
[1:01:42] to spend some time developing the scope
[1:01:45] of this project before approving the
[1:01:46] budget and i get the sense that there's
[1:01:48] differing differing expectations around
[1:01:50] the table with
[1:01:50] with respect to what this uh review
[1:01:52] might entail so
[1:01:54] uh for your consideration you may want
[1:01:57] to consider having
[1:01:58] having a select committee of the of the
[1:02:01] uh
[1:02:01] of the regional services committee to to
[1:02:03] come together
[1:02:04] develop the scope so that staff can then
[1:02:06] go out and determine how best to deliver
[1:02:08] that whether we would do it in a hybrid
[1:02:10] model between
[1:02:11] uh staff and consultants or consultant
[1:02:13] but i think we've kind of put the cart
[1:02:14] before the horse and we're getting
[1:02:16] bogged down on that so
[1:02:17] i would present that to the to the
[1:02:19] committee for consideration that we
[1:02:21] defer
[1:02:22] it's coming from operating reserves so
[1:02:23] you can amend the budget at a later date
[1:02:25] to accommodate the cost of doing this
[1:02:27] project moving forward
[1:02:29] great thank you for that uh insight i
[1:02:31] have two more speakers director salmon
[1:02:34] and director wilson do you still wish to
[1:02:36] speak
[1:02:37] directly salmon yeah briefly that that
[1:02:39] helps thank you mr crutherson
[1:02:41] well i just had a specific just starting
[1:02:43] back to what director wilson said
[1:02:45] um if we did this management plan and it
[1:02:48] came out with a new
[1:02:49] new direction new criteria for
[1:02:51] acquisition
[1:02:53] does that mean we would need to get new
[1:02:54] public approval on another referendum
[1:03:02] chair i think i could respond to that no
[1:03:04] i don't believe so i mean the the
[1:03:05] services for
[1:03:06] acquisition of parks how you go about
[1:03:08] are there priorities or the criteria
[1:03:10] that you use i don't believe that we
[1:03:11] would require an amendment
[1:03:13] um to the to the service to do that okay
[1:03:16] thank you
[1:03:18] but i think one of the questions if i
[1:03:19] may was if maintenance were to be added
[1:03:21] into that
[1:03:22] would that require um any
[1:03:25] any input reference wise yes through the
[1:03:28] chair the the uh
[1:03:30] the service is specific to acquisition
[1:03:32] uh maintenance is
[1:03:33] is a separate issue and i think those
[1:03:35] issues of incorporating maintenance
[1:03:37] costs into acquisition
[1:03:38] um one's acquisition one's operating but
[1:03:40] that can be included in your scope of
[1:03:42] your review as well to to
[1:03:44] to discuss great just so that we're
[1:03:46] clear i have director wilson and i'm
[1:03:48] director still
[1:03:51] thank you mr chair um there's some good
[1:03:54] uh
[1:03:55] there's some good discussion coming
[1:03:56] forward here and i'd like to just um
[1:03:59] reinforce the fact that i am not a catch
[1:04:02] parkland acquisition
[1:04:03] at all i'm just looking at the way it's
[1:04:06] been
[1:04:07] administered over the last few years and
[1:04:10] that's
[1:04:10] basically what i'm looking at is the
[1:04:12] cost the budgetary cost
[1:04:14] of this and that's why i brought up the
[1:04:17] ongoing maintenance the improvements and
[1:04:18] everything else that goes with it
[1:04:20] um i i have to say about the um
[1:04:23] budgetary meetings that we're public
[1:04:25] meetings that we had
[1:04:26] um and i think director staples just
[1:04:28] said um that you know there were some
[1:04:31] um attendees public attendees who came
[1:04:34] there weren't that many there was only
[1:04:35] one uh that on certainly
[1:04:37] and i attended every all four of them
[1:04:40] and any
[1:04:41] opposition or any um any
[1:04:44] anything that's coming forward in in
[1:04:46] support of the parkland acquisition seem
[1:04:48] to be coming
[1:04:49] from one from one direction only and and
[1:04:52] i'm concerned about that but
[1:04:54] however let me let me reinforce i am not
[1:04:57] opposed to acquisition
[1:04:59] i am in favor of acquisition what i am
[1:05:02] not in favor of
[1:05:03] is the way it's being spent and that's
[1:05:05] why i want to be so careful
[1:05:07] on how much it's actually going to cost
[1:05:10] us to buy
[1:05:11] that and then maintain that as well
[1:05:15] thank you director wilson director stone
[1:05:17] to close
[1:05:18] yeah just to to summarize um there is in
[1:05:21] the in the
[1:05:22] materials when we establish the
[1:05:23] referendum it does say specifically
[1:05:26] uh 11 specific sites in of interest
[1:05:28] having significant
[1:05:29] regional outdoor recreation and natural
[1:05:32] values for acquisition so
[1:05:34] it was understood from my recollection
[1:05:36] and from the materials that i've
[1:05:37] collected that
[1:05:38] that there is some contemplation of
[1:05:41] natural values or ecological values if
[1:05:43] you will
[1:05:44] um that being said i'm fully supportive
[1:05:46] of deferring the actual spend
[1:05:47] till either later this year as mr
[1:05:49] crothers just said
[1:05:50] we can amend the budget if we decide we
[1:05:52] need some funding as we get through this
[1:05:54] year
[1:05:55] but deferring that item this year and
[1:05:57] doing like he also suggested a select
[1:05:59] committee
[1:06:00] where we can work with staff and members
[1:06:02] of the board to determine
[1:06:04] the scope of the review and just a lot
[1:06:06] final comment is
[1:06:07] parkland acquisition we have a function
[1:06:09] for parkland maintenance and operations
[1:06:11] we already have a function for
[1:06:13] it's just that when the reports come it
[1:06:16] should
[1:06:17] tell us what those costs will be not
[1:06:19] that we have to change the function and
[1:06:20] draw it down to do the maintenance
[1:06:22] but that we know that the other function
[1:06:24] is going to bump up as a result of
[1:06:26] a parkland acquisition so um i would say
[1:06:30] that i think we're
[1:06:30] ready to call the question thank you we
[1:06:32] are and the uh
[1:06:34] it has been moved in second i see
[1:06:36] director nicholson's hand come up though
[1:06:40] thanks i just would like i i i'm i think
[1:06:42] we're heading in the right direction on
[1:06:44] the select committee but i would like to
[1:06:46] make sure that
[1:06:47] we do that this get it going sooner
[1:06:49] rather than later
[1:06:51] so that we actually get some work
[1:06:53] substantive work done this year so we
[1:06:54] are in a better position to
[1:06:56] do some work uh you know to get move on
[1:06:59] things next year
[1:07:01] um so i guess my question through just
[1:07:03] through to you just to staff is
[1:07:05] do you have the capacity to get this off
[1:07:07] the ground right away
[1:07:12] i think that would be up to us to
[1:07:15] implement that select committee through
[1:07:17] chair stone
[1:07:19] and to get that process going as soon as
[1:07:21] possible if i'm not mistaken
[1:07:23] uh if you could correct me if i'm wrong
[1:07:26] chairstone
[1:07:29] right as far as i can tell i think that
[1:07:31] there's going to be some requiring of
[1:07:32] staff resourcing but we can talk about
[1:07:34] that with staff
[1:07:35] if we do need other resources as mr
[1:07:37] crothers already explained
[1:07:39] we can make that budget amendment if we
[1:07:41] want to allocate a small amount of
[1:07:42] funding out of those operational
[1:07:44] reserves this year
[1:07:45] um if we need some assistance in in
[1:07:47] helping develop that scope but i don't
[1:07:48] see that as a necessity at this moment
[1:07:52] as soon as possible implementing that
[1:07:54] subcommittee uh yes mr crothers
[1:07:57] so given that this is a corporate
[1:07:59] services
[1:08:00] meeting to discuss budget i would
[1:08:02] suggest that you refer this matter
[1:08:04] you can deal with this resolution in
[1:08:05] front of you back to regional services
[1:08:08] at which time you can have a
[1:08:10] conversation about the establishment of
[1:08:11] a select committee and and how to go
[1:08:14] about that and what support staff can
[1:08:15] provide to
[1:08:16] uh to get that uh committee established
[1:08:19] thank you very much one more time for
[1:08:22] hands
[1:08:24] so we do have a motion on the floor
[1:08:28] do we need a referral motion director
[1:08:30] morrison
[1:08:32] thank you mr chair
[1:08:36] so perhaps staff can correct me if i'm
[1:08:39] wrong
[1:08:40] um the motion that we're putting
[1:08:44] that's before us is a placeholder
[1:08:47] to possibly do the work with
[1:08:50] funds that will come out of operating
[1:08:52] reserve
[1:08:54] so if we approve this resolution
[1:09:00] all of those things can take place
[1:09:03] and we don't have to spend a penny of
[1:09:05] money
[1:09:07] or a penny until the scope in terms of
[1:09:10] reference or whatever
[1:09:12] select committee is decided upon
[1:09:15] if this resolution moves forward and is
[1:09:19] adopted as
[1:09:20] is is is that a correct assessment
[1:09:23] of the outcome of passing this
[1:09:25] resolution
[1:09:27] is there a staff person could answer
[1:09:28] that
[1:09:31] i will refer to ms saldara to answer
[1:09:34] that
[1:09:39] my understanding based on the discussion
[1:09:41] was that we would defer
[1:09:44] allocating funds towards this project
[1:09:47] until we had
[1:09:48] uh set up the select committee and
[1:09:50] established a clear return of reference
[1:09:52] so you could still do it but it would
[1:09:53] require a budget amendment
[1:09:57] okay that clarifies i think i saw
[1:09:59] director marsh please
[1:10:02] yes i'm sorry mr chair but i got bumped
[1:10:05] off for about five minutes so
[1:10:07] i'd really like to just hear the motion
[1:10:09] before you call the vote thank you
[1:10:16] miss lego would you like to read that
[1:10:18] sure uh the motion was that the
[1:10:20] supplemental
[1:10:21] that would be recommended to the board
[1:10:22] that the supplemental request for
[1:10:23] function 285 regional parkland
[1:10:25] acquisition master plan review be
[1:10:28] approved
[1:10:31] okay are we ready for the question
[1:10:35] all those in favor
[1:10:39] those opposed see director
[1:10:43] sebring wilson smith
[1:10:46] yanni dinardo salmon and
[1:10:51] anyone else
[1:10:54] can you leave your hands up again those
[1:10:56] opposed
[1:11:00] sebring smith danny dinardo
[1:11:03] salmon wilson
[1:11:08] miss lego that's six opposed
[1:11:12] so the motion carries can i just
[1:11:15] very much absolutely absolutely director
[1:11:18] stone
[1:11:19] uh i just want to say this has no effect
[1:11:20] on requisition and again
[1:11:22] as staff said six of one half dozen to
[1:11:24] the other right so
[1:11:26] the motion's approved it's in the budget
[1:11:28] but we've already kind of
[1:11:29] informally agreed to to strike a select
[1:11:31] committee to discuss the scope
[1:11:33] and as we get through that we can report
[1:11:35] back to the board with direction
[1:11:37] so it really has no force and effect on
[1:11:40] this year's budget but
[1:11:41] if we need it it's there thank you right
[1:11:43] no thanks for that clarification
[1:11:46] i don't know about you but i think i
[1:11:47] need to stretch
[1:11:49] uh if you're willing for a 10-minute
[1:11:52] recess
[1:11:53] um well we can get a drink or a coffee
[1:11:55] or whatever we need
[1:11:58] we'll do a 10 minute recess
[1:12:11] how much time do i have
[1:12:32] camera's live welcome back directors
[1:12:36] i hope we've all coffeed up and ready to
[1:12:39] go again
[1:12:40] um with your indulgence we will return
[1:12:43] to r1
[1:12:44] uh director nicholson had asked that
[1:12:46] that be delayed until her
[1:12:49] attendance and if we could miss lego
[1:12:53] thank you mr chair item r1 is a report
[1:12:55] from the finance division on the parks
[1:12:57] and trails 2021 draft budgets referred
[1:13:00] from december
[1:13:00] 2nd special electoral area services
[1:13:02] committee meetings
[1:13:04] and this is for the community parks
[1:13:05] budgets for area e g and
[1:13:07] h and i believe each of the directors
[1:13:09] have something that they'd like to
[1:13:11] propose for those budgets so perhaps we
[1:13:13] could address them separately
[1:13:16] okay who would wish to start let's start
[1:13:18] with director nicholson
[1:13:20] as she had asked for this to be delayed
[1:13:22] tricker nicholson please
[1:13:24] thank you um i'd like to recommend to
[1:13:27] the board that draft
[1:13:29] uh 2021 budget for function 235
[1:13:32] area e community parks be amended by
[1:13:35] number one
[1:13:36] increasing the minor capital by ten
[1:13:38] thousand dollars
[1:13:39] increasing invasive species management
[1:13:41] by five thousand dollars
[1:13:43] and increasing requisition by fifteen
[1:13:45] thousand dollars
[1:13:48] of a seconder that has been moved and
[1:13:50] seconded if you wish to
[1:13:51] speak to it so uh i met with my parks
[1:13:55] commission
[1:13:56] last thursday night and the the
[1:13:59] recommendation that i'm making is based
[1:14:01] on their concerns
[1:14:03] about a couple of projects that need to
[1:14:06] be done
[1:14:07] shouldn't be delayed out at glenora
[1:14:09] trail head park and
[1:14:11] keeping on top of invasive species
[1:14:13] management in our parks which is
[1:14:15] becoming an increasing problem
[1:14:17] great thank you very much any further
[1:14:20] discussion on that
[1:14:21] director wilson thank you mr chair just
[1:14:24] a quick question for
[1:14:26] director nicholson i i have no problem
[1:14:28] with supporting this at all
[1:14:30] which i will do uh just a question does
[1:14:33] it come out of your budget it doesn't
[1:14:35] impact the overall budget just as a
[1:14:38] point of clarification
[1:14:42] miss soldera that would come from the uh
[1:14:45] local
[1:14:45] community parks function would it not
[1:14:48] absolutely so the requisition
[1:14:50] uh percentage increase will actually
[1:14:52] reflect the 15
[1:14:54] 000 increase as as a the total number
[1:14:57] but only those participants in the
[1:14:58] service would pay for the service so yes
[1:15:00] those would come
[1:15:01] all from the residence of electoral aid
[1:15:05] and we all know director wilson that you
[1:15:07] do
[1:15:08] support parks thank you very much
[1:15:12] so can i call the question on this one
[1:15:15] all those in favor opposed if any
[1:15:20] uh moving on to uh number two
[1:15:30] was there an amendment on this one as
[1:15:32] well
[1:15:36] i believe director smith has something
[1:15:39] i missed your hand director smith i
[1:15:41] apologize i see you there now
[1:15:43] please thank you
[1:15:48] uh uh that it be recommended to the
[1:15:51] board that the draft
[1:15:53] 2021 function 237
[1:15:57] area g community parks be amended by
[1:16:00] increasing minor capital by 15 000
[1:16:04] increasing major capital land
[1:16:06] improvement by
[1:16:07] 21 000 increasing transfer
[1:16:11] from capital reserves by 21 000
[1:16:14] increased transfers from operating
[1:16:16] reserves by 15
[1:16:18] 000. and i'll speak to that if i have a
[1:16:22] seconder
[1:16:25] been moved in second please carry on
[1:16:28] thank you very much
[1:16:29] i we have had some
[1:16:32] deterioration in our trails over time
[1:16:34] and i really appreciate the
[1:16:36] assistance by mr farquhar and his
[1:16:39] department for giving me the
[1:16:41] costs that would assist with doing
[1:16:45] a type 2 trail on the southeast forest
[1:16:48] loop in centennial park one of the
[1:16:50] advantages of upgrading that trail
[1:16:54] will be a active transportation
[1:16:57] connection to the from sort of the
[1:17:01] subdivision over to the
[1:17:02] newly opened uh solitaire uh
[1:17:06] canco supermarket so that's an excellent
[1:17:09] upgrade that we will be looking forward
[1:17:11] to and
[1:17:13] with the mud that has uh transpired in
[1:17:17] princess die park over the years it's
[1:17:20] now reached
[1:17:22] an area of approximately five to six
[1:17:25] inches so
[1:17:25] this will definitely work to improve
[1:17:29] those areas
[1:17:30] and i appreciate that i'm looking
[1:17:32] forward to also
[1:17:34] the parks commission did approve
[1:17:38] the centennial park lower uh
[1:17:41] ball court cracks repairs and ceiling
[1:17:45] under minor capital the tennis courts
[1:17:48] under um minor capital to be the
[1:17:52] surfaces
[1:17:53] for cracks and mitigation work and
[1:17:56] the five thousand dollars for the
[1:17:58] removal of the tennis practice court as
[1:18:01] a risk assessment has been done on the
[1:18:04] condition
[1:18:04] of those the court there at this time
[1:18:08] i'd like to thank the cvrd staff in
[1:18:11] parks and trails for assisting
[1:18:13] to bring forward these projects at this
[1:18:15] time thank you
[1:18:18] thank you very much any further
[1:18:20] discussion
[1:18:22] i'll call the question all those in
[1:18:24] favor opposed if any
[1:18:28] i'm going to try to turn to you director
[1:18:29] martin and see if your connectivity
[1:18:31] issues are
[1:18:34] still ongoing you had something in your
[1:18:36] area as well
[1:18:40] yes um if you can hear me uh item r1
[1:18:44] yeah i'd like to have that um recommend
[1:18:46] that to be deferred
[1:18:49] to the generate special corporation
[1:18:52] meeting and
[1:18:53] the other day to
[1:18:57] advisory commission
[1:19:01] so i think we got the gist of that you
[1:19:03] would like to defer
[1:19:04] that to the january 25th special
[1:19:08] corporate services meeting do i need a
[1:19:11] seconder on that one
[1:19:14] moved in seconded uh mr chair i
[1:19:17] i just want to point out in case that no
[1:19:19] one else knows that
[1:19:20] director martin had put this in the chat
[1:19:24] so we can remember that that's something
[1:19:27] to look for if someone is having
[1:19:29] connectivity or speaking problems that
[1:19:31] we can always put
[1:19:36] put it in the chat thank you yeah i did
[1:19:38] note that
[1:19:39] but i wanted to see if his connectivity
[1:19:41] had
[1:19:42] resolved itself it doesn't seem to but i
[1:19:44] think we've got the gist of it director
[1:19:47] uh martman moved second ready for the
[1:19:49] question
[1:19:51] oh is that a question director morrison
[1:19:55] okay all in favor sorry opposed if any
[1:20:00] thank you very much i believe that
[1:20:02] concludes our one
[1:20:06] thank you mr chair on to item r6 which
[1:20:08] is a verbal report from the finance
[1:20:10] division on the budget public engagement
[1:20:12] and that is for information
[1:20:16] okay miss older would you like to uh
[1:20:20] speak to this thank you very much
[1:20:23] uh as most of you are aware we held four
[1:20:26] virtual
[1:20:27] public meetings on the budget and i
[1:20:30] really appreciate everyone's attendance
[1:20:32] at those uh it was nice to see so many
[1:20:34] people from the
[1:20:35] community from the board showing up and
[1:20:38] uh
[1:20:39] as i believe was alluded to previously
[1:20:41] um we
[1:20:42] did not have great turnout but we did
[1:20:44] have people show up at every single
[1:20:46] one so that was better at least than
[1:20:47] when we did them in person where we had
[1:20:49] two with no participants
[1:20:51] um so we did have a total of 16 people
[1:20:55] participate in those virtual budget
[1:20:57] public meetings we had some good
[1:20:59] question
[1:21:00] and discussion at our very first meeting
[1:21:01] which um
[1:21:03] made me all excited and then limited uh
[1:21:05] discussion at the other meetings but
[1:21:07] as i say that uh was there the
[1:21:10] meetings were all recorded and my
[1:21:12] understanding from communications is
[1:21:14] that they will be posted to our website
[1:21:16] for people to access whenever they
[1:21:18] feel like it in the future and i will be
[1:21:22] following up with a written report
[1:21:24] to the committee for the at the january
[1:21:27] 25th
[1:21:28] meeting which will include feedback from
[1:21:30] our play speak
[1:21:31] um item and people are welcome to go on
[1:21:34] and look at that feedback now
[1:21:35] we have had 59 surveys filled out and 47
[1:21:38] discussion
[1:21:39] threads and so i will include a formal
[1:21:43] written report with
[1:21:44] any feedback from the public meetings as
[1:21:47] well as from the play speak
[1:21:48] at the january 25th meeting but just
[1:21:50] wanted to let you know
[1:21:52] what happened at the virtual budget
[1:21:53] public meetings which ended last night
[1:21:56] great i'd like to just thank you
[1:21:59] and staff who were involved in that
[1:22:02] process i know it's a difficult time to
[1:22:04] try to get
[1:22:05] information out to the public and we
[1:22:07] tried our best virtually
[1:22:09] i do have a speakers list i have
[1:22:10] director stone
[1:22:12] wilson and yanni dinardo
[1:22:15] i just just a little bit of feedback
[1:22:17] from our community that
[1:22:18] it was scheduled on the same night and
[1:22:20] time as our
[1:22:22] committee of the whole meeting so it was
[1:22:24] difficult for ladies with folks to
[1:22:26] participate in both and i know there's
[1:22:27] some interest with our council and they
[1:22:29] were unable to participate
[1:22:31] due to performing their council duties
[1:22:33] or to at least attend
[1:22:34] so can you just when those are posted it
[1:22:37] would be appreciated
[1:22:38] if we could get uh an email just to let
[1:22:41] us know when they're up and then we can
[1:22:43] share those with our community members
[1:22:45] thank you
[1:22:47] great thank you very much director
[1:22:49] wilson
[1:22:50] uh thank you mr chair just a word of
[1:22:52] congratulations to
[1:22:54] miss aldera very uh very concise uh
[1:22:57] presentation uh very professional
[1:22:59] and very clear so thank you very much
[1:23:01] for that uh talitha great job
[1:23:04] would that mean that your area had the
[1:23:06] most participation director wilson
[1:23:08] we did actually yeah yeah
[1:23:11] thank you i have director janie dinardo
[1:23:13] then director marsh
[1:23:14] thank you i'd just like to echo my
[1:23:16] fellow directors and um
[1:23:18] thank also um mr schumacher that did a
[1:23:21] great job as a host
[1:23:23] and um also miss saldera and also the
[1:23:27] people that did actually get on and
[1:23:29] speak were quite impressed
[1:23:31] and they were actually really surprised
[1:23:34] that each and every one of them got to
[1:23:36] you know be spoken to
[1:23:38] and you know it worked out that way
[1:23:40] really well because we had small groups
[1:23:42] we actually spoke to each person and
[1:23:44] asked with if they had questions and
[1:23:48] i think that was very successful so i'd
[1:23:50] like to thank um
[1:23:51] the staff and of course everyone who
[1:23:53] attended as well
[1:23:55] thank you very much director marsh and
[1:23:57] then director smith
[1:24:00] yes thank you mr chair just further to
[1:24:03] what chair stone said um
[1:24:05] there was also some conflict with um
[1:24:08] some north couch and things and i'm just
[1:24:10] wondering if the
[1:24:12] corporate services legislative staff can
[1:24:15] kind of
[1:24:16] communicate with everyone at these busy
[1:24:19] times so that
[1:24:20] um those of us who are on the board
[1:24:23] can come to the board things um i don't
[1:24:27] know if that's too much to ask but it's
[1:24:28] just a suggestion thank you
[1:24:32] i think a number of us did have
[1:24:33] conflicts with our
[1:24:35] council and municipal obligations as
[1:24:37] well
[1:24:38] i couldn't attend the lady smith one for
[1:24:41] lake couch and council obligations but
[1:24:44] i tried to attend as many as i could and
[1:24:48] thankfully got to attend a few of them
[1:24:50] director smith you're next
[1:24:55] thank you i'd like to thank the staff
[1:24:58] for arranging having
[1:24:59] four different meetings at four
[1:25:02] different times that gave an opportunity
[1:25:04] for people if they were unable to attend
[1:25:07] the one that was for their area they
[1:25:09] also had an opportunity to still attend
[1:25:12] a meeting it was definitely
[1:25:15] the presentations are really delightful
[1:25:17] and i really would like to thank the
[1:25:19] staff
[1:25:20] and mr schumacher for hosting it
[1:25:23] it's a little hard to look at some of
[1:25:25] the numbers of the attendees and
[1:25:27] hoping the number goes up but i think
[1:25:30] that having them posted to the website
[1:25:32] will definitely
[1:25:33] improve the opportunity for our
[1:25:36] communities to actually
[1:25:38] look at them and and take their time
[1:25:40] going through those presentations as a
[1:25:42] video
[1:25:43] thank you very much for all the work
[1:25:45] that an effort that went into all those
[1:25:47] four meetings
[1:25:49] thank you very much uh director staples
[1:25:53] yeah just to echo that thanks to safa
[1:25:55] and the meetings were facilitated
[1:25:57] um extremely well and and i think that
[1:26:00] of of the sort of things that we're
[1:26:02] learning through the types of format
[1:26:03] that we're stuck with right now
[1:26:05] i feel that um exploring that type of
[1:26:08] format for delivery of budget meetings
[1:26:11] would be
[1:26:11] something that we should consider in the
[1:26:13] future because i think that
[1:26:16] while there weren't a lot of attendees i
[1:26:18] think it is
[1:26:19] at least you know rather than having
[1:26:21] them all in person to have some online i
[1:26:23] think would be something that we should
[1:26:24] um
[1:26:25] just carry forward i think that that
[1:26:27] helps some people
[1:26:28] um with their ability to attend
[1:26:31] thank you great thank you very much
[1:26:35] anyone further again miss soldera thanks
[1:26:38] to you
[1:26:39] and every other staff member that was
[1:26:42] involved in those presentations
[1:26:44] and i encourage people to uh once the
[1:26:46] videos are up go up and see what the
[1:26:48] impacts
[1:26:49] of these budget discussions will be on
[1:26:51] your particular area
[1:26:54] moving on miss lego thank you mr chair i
[1:26:59] guess we're on to question period
[1:27:01] and checking my email i see no
[1:27:03] submissions
[1:27:04] so we would be looking for a motion to
[1:27:06] close the meeting to the public
[1:27:08] in accordance with the community charter
[1:27:10] section 91c
[1:27:12] okay moved and seconded all those in
[1:27:15] favor
[1:27:17] opposed if any that carries
[1:27:21] now we will leave this meeting and go to
[1:27:25] the separate closed i believe
[1:27:27] that's correct we'll end this meeting
[1:27:28] and start a separate meeting