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[3:50] so
[3:54] [Music]
[5:45] just just let them know that we're
[5:46] waiting on a council member
[5:49] patrick and
[5:53] to be in person so we'll start in about
[5:56] um
[5:57] seven eight minutes
[5:59] okay
[6:04] hi
[6:04] everybody chad i'm on i'm in jack's
[6:06] office on her line
[6:09] and
[6:10] it looks like the video is not
[6:12] sustainable with this connection so
[6:14] sorry about that
[6:16] hello
[6:52] um
[7:07] [Music]
[14:35] so
[14:42] [Music]
[17:30] i'm called to order for tonight monday
[17:32] august 16th 2021.
[17:34] miss michael can you please complete the
[17:36] roll call
[17:44] for
[17:55] here
[18:00] president
[18:03] your audio is not working properly we
[18:05] have one resolution for a roll call this
[18:07] evening if the clerk can please read
[18:09] item number one
[18:22] annual action plan budget and
[18:24] authorizing the mayor to enter the
[18:26] contract for the better community
[18:28] neighborhoods incorporated to provide
[18:31] 256 000 of home funds for the elmar
[18:34] gardens project
[18:37] i need i need a motion to put this on
[18:38] the floor
[18:39] so i can
[18:41] i any discussion
[18:45] go ahead please
[18:47] so um i'm glad you're here tonight to be
[18:49] able to move forward
[18:51] and i also want to
[18:54] just
[18:54] to thank i'm going to say chad kilmore
[18:57] specifically
[18:58] and making sure that the community voice
[19:00] was included in what was being
[19:02] considered here and making sure there
[19:04] was also an understanding of the benefit
[19:07] of doing this particular project was
[19:09] that it would not just be for this
[19:11] project but to benefit a larger part of
[19:14] this particular neighborhood and also
[19:16] going forward how um the leverage will
[19:19] fund that and leverage or do other
[19:21] projects within the city and
[19:22] specifically um my history was the nrsa
[19:25] area so um i just want to say thank you
[19:28] to vcni and also the um
[19:31] chair for
[19:32] chad gilbert and for mr rutabara as well
[19:36] and other council members that we were
[19:37] able to work through this to come to
[19:39] agreement to
[19:40] understand the concerns that we're being
[19:43] uh that were being brought forward and
[19:45] also to be awarded those concerns that
[19:47] so that together um as a community
[19:54] [Music]
[19:59] thank you any other discussion
[20:06] that's michael please complete the roll
[20:08] call
[20:24] yes
[20:31] [Music]
[20:35] yes
[20:36] the item is passed
[20:38] five to nil
[20:39] we have a motion to adjourn
[20:41] second
[20:42] all in favor we are adjourned
[20:50] and we'll move into our regular city
[20:52] council meeting from monday august the
[20:54] 16th and we'll go straight into health
[20:57] and recreation miss
[21:01] um patrick asked mr daley to come this
[21:05] evening to give us an update on how the
[21:06] golf course has been going for the
[21:08] summer um
[21:27] good evening everybody it's nice to see
[21:29] all of you
[21:30] um
[21:32] i decided to i think would be a good
[21:34] idea to bring our core superintendent
[21:35] mike sesney down with us
[21:37] as i'm not sure that
[21:39] if you haven't met him
[21:41] this is an opportunity for you to meet
[21:43] him
[21:44] i give you updates on the course often
[21:46] but
[21:47] to be quite honest with you mike is
[21:49] really
[21:50] the main reason why that golf course is
[21:52] where it is
[21:53] his countless efforts getting that
[21:55] course in the condition that it is in
[21:57] you know he deserves to be recognized
[21:59] and
[22:00] he has a few things that he wanted to
[22:02] speak of in addition to what i have
[22:05] and i thought it would be of interest to
[22:06] you to hear what he has to say
[22:10] so moving forward you know the state of
[22:11] the golf industry
[22:13] uh is very healthy it's incredible what
[22:17] the pandemic has done for the golf
[22:18] industry because there was talk for a
[22:20] long period of time that you know
[22:22] numbers were down nationally and so
[22:24] forth
[22:26] but i can tell you that the national
[22:27] golf foundation which creates all
[22:29] statistical categories for players in
[22:32] golf
[22:33] that's men women juniors and so forth
[22:37] those numbers are considerably up so for
[22:40] an example
[22:43] in 2020
[22:44] overall play was up two percent
[22:47] which is the biggest net increase in 17
[22:50] years
[22:51] and the mayor and i often talk about
[22:52] this that's the tiger woods effect when
[22:54] he came into the scene
[22:56] golf boomed and then it kind of lulled
[22:59] now it came up again
[23:00] um
[23:02] people asked why the increase well last
[23:04] year golf was one of the few things that
[23:06] you could actually do outside golfers
[23:09] practice you know social distancing
[23:11] aspects
[23:13] and we were able to create a nice safe
[23:15] haven for golfers when they came to our
[23:17] facility and it showed by the numbers
[23:19] that we were able to create last year
[23:23] another impressive statistical category
[23:25] increase was in the women's end of
[23:27] things
[23:28] there's a 20 20 percent increase in
[23:31] overall women's statistics
[23:33] probably the largest of all of them when
[23:36] you look at juniors saw 3.1 million golfers in 2020
[23:42] 30 percent of those were girls
[23:44] as compared to 15 percent in the year
[23:46] 2000
[23:47] and over 25 percent of the juniors that
[23:49] are playing are minority base as opposed
[23:51] to six percent in 2000 so big jumps and
[23:55] categories all across and that's
[23:56] especially important because that's the
[23:58] future of the game
[24:02] one out of every three americans either
[24:03] played golf or watched the sport or read
[24:05] about it in 2020 that's a considerable
[24:08] amount
[24:10] so when you look at all those numbers it
[24:11] shows that the golf industry as a whole
[24:13] is healthy our revenues this year are up
[24:15] 13.25 up from 2020.
[24:19] last year we missed
[24:22] i would say what like a good month and a
[24:24] half
[24:25] of revenue
[24:26] opportunity
[24:28] we were open then we were closed and
[24:30] then when we reopened there was a lot of
[24:33] you know unknowns
[24:34] could you ride in carts and when we
[24:36] finally did you can only want to run
[24:37] rider per person so you're losing out of
[24:39] revenue streams all over the place
[24:41] you know in hindsight in 2020 from
[24:43] looking back in 2020 yeah we probably
[24:45] could have done all those things but at
[24:46] the time we didn't know that
[24:48] so obviously we took all the necessary
[24:50] safety precautions
[24:53] and so this year we're seeing our
[24:55] revenues increase more than that and
[24:56] last year we did almost 1.1 million
[24:58] dollars in total net revenue so we're up
[25:01] considerably that this year which is
[25:03] going to help moving forward as we
[25:06] continue to meet our uh expensive
[25:08] categories and our revenue streams
[25:11] and of course now the mask mandate is in
[25:14] effect after we received notice last
[25:16] week
[25:16] uh we incorporated the mass growth last
[25:19] monday so now we've started
[25:22] and it has been pretty well received i
[25:24] mean there's going to be the usual
[25:25] complaints of players but for the most
[25:27] part everybody has been compliant
[25:29] and things are working well on that end
[25:33] do you have any questions for me i guess
[25:34] is the next step
[25:36] in terms of everything that i have just
[25:38] mentioned
[25:48] so um how are the tournaments um are you
[25:51] back on track with the tournaments yes we are yeah um we've had we just
[25:57] actually just had our schenectady high
[25:58] school football team fundraiser okay
[26:00] they had their largest group ever they
[26:02] had 120 players pass through which is a
[26:04] very large number
[26:06] uh we have run our schenectady classics
[26:09] for the championships for both the men
[26:11] the women and the senior divisions those
[26:13] all saw big increases in numbers
[26:16] and then september is going to be a big
[26:19] month for tournaments as well
[26:21] many of the events that were canceled
[26:23] last year are now back on the schedule
[26:24] so
[26:25] tournaments are definitely uh high on
[26:27] the list all right good thank you
[26:31] um yes i was wondering are you doing
[26:33] tournaments
[26:36] we ran a children's camp in uh
[26:39] it was end of june early july we did two
[26:41] weeks yep and then we actually do a we host an event that's done to the
[26:47] northeastern new york pga
[26:49] golf tour
[26:50] and that's kind of an annual thing that
[26:51] we do every year they have a different
[26:53] venue that they play each week
[26:55] and i can't remember the exact day it
[26:57] was in july
[26:59] and it was one of the regular stops when
[27:00] they come every year and that was over
[27:02] 100 children
[27:04] yeah
[27:04] big numbers it was very impressive
[27:07] thank you
[27:10] so can you tell us a little bit about
[27:12] the actual facilities and of course
[27:15] anything that needs means work
[27:18] yeah
[27:19] so as i i've mentioned in the past there
[27:21] obviously are some capital improvements
[27:23] that we need to address coming soon
[27:25] which is another reason why i brought mr
[27:26] sesney with me
[27:28] some of the carp paths are going to be
[27:30] need to be addressed one of the issues
[27:31] that we face when it rains considerably
[27:34] and we've gotten a lot of those rain
[27:35] days
[27:36] is that the course gets so saturated
[27:38] that we aren't allowed to allow
[27:39] golf carts on the ground
[27:42] they can do considerable damage so we're
[27:44] rewarded to walking only and when you do
[27:46] that
[27:47] not only do you miss the cart revenue
[27:49] but you do miss out on green speed
[27:50] revenue as well so it's kind of a double
[27:52] hit
[27:54] and so
[27:55] we were
[27:58] looking forward to do more of a routine
[28:00] maintenance on the cart pads but more of
[28:02] preventative maintenance down the road
[28:04] where we can have a continuous car path
[28:06] around the entire golf course
[28:08] and that way we can police the players
[28:10] better whether they just cart path only
[28:12] many facilities implore that uh
[28:17] that type of uh
[28:20] i think we're working for they they
[28:22] employ that practice okay so let's say
[28:25] saratoga national they get a rainstorm
[28:27] goes through their car path only they
[28:28] have a continuous card path that goes
[28:30] all the way around the course they can
[28:31] still let their cards go on the facility
[28:34] and players can still play the golf
[28:35] course whereas ours
[28:38] they're off we lose the revenue stream
[28:41] and when that also happens league play
[28:42] doesn't go out so it's kind of a it's
[28:44] kind of a big hit when we have to
[28:45] reschedule
[28:47] league plays miss out on their week and
[28:49] then we have to reschedule them and just
[28:51] keep pushing them back
[28:53] so yeah it can be a nuisance but at the
[28:55] same time it can be fixed and we do have
[28:57] a lot of already in place paved car path
[29:00] there
[29:01] and i want to say it's over nine holes
[29:03] that's in place now some of them need to
[29:05] be addressed but that would be something
[29:07] that'd be worth the efforts to look into
[29:10] saving us money down the road
[29:12] um and then of course the big ticket
[29:14] item would be a new irrigation system
[29:17] it's aging
[29:19] and uh
[29:20] mike i'll let you kind of
[29:22] take that direction if you'd like
[29:26] good evening everyone
[29:28] mike says i'm actually the president of
[29:29] northeast turf and my company actually
[29:31] has the maintenance contract for the
[29:33] golf course but i'm actually the acting
[29:35] superintendent to the golf course
[29:37] and
[29:38] i wrote down some notes for the
[29:39] irrigation system of
[29:42] our presence system is that okay
[29:49] our present irrigation system is between
[29:50] 40 and 45 years old
[29:52] the average lifespan for an irrigation
[29:55] system is roughly 20 to 25 years old so
[30:00] it's yeah it's definitely uh it's time
[30:02] to replace it
[30:03] it's a fully manual irrigation system
[30:06] that has to be turned on manually by by
[30:08] the workers
[30:09] an automatic system has electric
[30:11] solenoids that are activated by a low
[30:14] voltage
[30:15] current that is sent from a central
[30:17] computer
[30:18] that's what we're trying for is a fully
[30:20] automatic irrigation system and our pump
[30:22] house is actually
[30:25] needs to be replaced too it's a 400
[30:27] gallon per minute pump station
[30:29] and our new pump station that we had
[30:31] designed would be between 1000 and 1200
[30:34] gallons per minute
[30:35] this would increase the capacity by two
[30:37] to three times
[30:39] and the new pumps
[30:40] would be a variable frequency drive
[30:43] which are more electrically efficient
[30:45] than the present pumps that we
[30:48] have with a present system annual system
[30:52] it takes approximately 18 hours to water
[30:54] the entire golf course the new
[30:56] irrigation system would accomplish this
[30:58] in six to eight hours
[31:04] the new system there will be
[31:06] improved sprinkler head coverage and
[31:08] more flexibility with water again
[31:10] fertilizers and other products that need
[31:11] to be watered in
[31:13] and there'll also be enhanced
[31:15] turf quality and improved playing
[31:17] conditions for the new automatic system
[31:20] and i guess the
[31:24] final part is the cost our last
[31:28] estimate we had was between 2.5 and 3
[31:31] million for a new irrigation system
[31:34] and 10 years ago we had actually an
[31:37] estimate of 1.5 million so
[31:39] i guess the longer we wait the more
[31:41] expensive it's going to be
[31:45] and also like actually
[31:47] i just wanted to show everybody
[31:50] a fairway coupler that that we were
[31:52] using in the fairways
[31:56] so this coupler right here will be
[31:58] plugged into a valve in the fairway
[32:01] there's actually 138 of these airways so
[32:04] we can only
[32:04] pass the pump capacitor we have now
[32:06] we've only got seven of these at a time
[32:09] and uh how many i'm sorry i can only run
[32:11] seven at a time
[32:21] these are actually in the in the
[32:23] fairways mounted
[32:24] in the ground so this would open up plug
[32:28] that in like that and turn it so each
[32:30] day a guy has to go out in the morning
[32:31] and turn this coupler on
[32:33] and like i said we run up let them run
[32:35] for half an hour so there's seven they
[32:37] can run at a time so they'll pull those
[32:39] seven out go to the next seven you say
[32:41] there's 138 of these so it's all for
[32:44] it's labor intensive just trying to
[32:46] water fairways
[32:49] the new fairway head is
[32:54] much more efficient it has electric
[32:55] solenoids so i said this would be wired
[32:58] to a low voltage system and this would
[33:00] this head would
[33:02] automatically come on at night there
[33:04] would be an
[33:05] interruption during the day as far as
[33:06] ordering the golf course
[33:08] so it's much more efficient it would
[33:09] have better coverage coverage than the older style sprinkler the older
[33:13] style sprinkler was actually uh
[33:16] manufactured implemented in 1930s and
[33:19] that was actually phased out in the late
[33:21] 60s early 70s so i don't i don't even
[33:24] know of any other gal of course in the
[33:25] area that she uses them
[33:27] but everybody has an automatic system
[33:30] that i know in the area
[33:41] i guess it's time but i know it's an
[33:42] expensive a big expensive place but
[33:45] likes that the price keeps going up
[33:47] every year plus materials are going up
[33:49] so how many of those do you need
[33:54] um
[33:56] these i think they i think the new
[33:58] system is going to have between a
[33:59] thousand and twelve hundred
[34:01] 138 is just just for the fairways so we
[34:04] have four to five sprinklers on each
[34:06] green
[34:07] in each green complex and ht complex
[34:10] so there's probably three three or four
[34:12] hundred on the course now but
[34:14] i said it's not a uh the coverage is
[34:16] very poor now with this whole system
[34:18] this new system would be much more
[34:21] efficient
[34:22] and actually had
[34:27] she had a
[34:30] evaluation of the irrigation system done
[34:33] in 2010 it was actually by a certified
[34:35] irrigation designer he's over in boston
[34:38] it's brian van casey
[34:40] and
[34:41] it's maybe a 15-page report but he
[34:43] pretty much just
[34:45] spelled out all the issues with this
[34:46] system and he basically said it's time
[34:49] for his system to
[34:52] 2010
[34:54] so
[34:55] we'll have to review that
[35:01] but then you know yeah new systems will
[35:02] be
[35:03] much more evenly water distribution
[35:06] and he can actually that the apps that
[35:09] you can get on your phone you can
[35:10] actually program away from your cell
[35:11] phone
[35:12] which would be incredible
[35:14] it's just technology now is so much
[35:16] better yeah i mean things have gotten
[35:17] more expensive but the technology is
[35:20] far superior
[35:24] so by putting in the new irrigation
[35:26] system without help with the golf cart
[35:29] or that is something totally different
[35:31] that's totally different yeah and today
[35:33] yes do you have a price tag on it
[35:36] no on the golf cart pads now
[35:42] yeah and you know we're not even looking
[35:44] to do
[35:45] blacktop card pads we could do you know
[35:48] gravel
[35:49] carpets just something to have a
[35:50] continuous pet yeah the blacktop would
[35:52] look nice
[35:54] but
[35:54] you know millings
[35:56] would would suffice just a continuous
[35:58] path all the way around the golf course
[36:00] something that would
[36:02] they would be forced to stay there
[36:03] rather than driving off so again
[36:06] you know how players are not everybody
[36:08] follows the rules
[36:10] but
[36:12] a little bit easier it's easier to do
[36:13] that if you see something off the path
[36:15] and with the gps system on top of that
[36:17] you can program it so the cards when
[36:20] they go off the path it notifies the
[36:21] player to get back on the path
[36:23] if it's not if i mean if it's not
[36:26] difficult can you just share an
[36:28] estimated cost
[36:30] for a new car path yeah
[36:32] well as mike said what do we think about
[36:34] 500 yeah
[36:40] i'm not sure if that's something that we
[36:41] could do
[36:42] in-house or we would have to branch that
[36:44] and outsource it but
[36:47] okay
[36:50] any other questions
[36:54] i appreciate you both coming i mean it's
[36:56] obviously i'm not a golfer but
[36:58] everywhere i go people talk about our
[37:00] golf course being
[37:02] equal to if not better than the private
[37:04] country club golf courses around and
[37:06] obviously it's a
[37:08] great revenue stream
[37:10] for the city of cement and so i
[37:11] appreciate it
[37:15] to keep it being such a gem for us
[37:18] appreciate it yeah thank you
[37:20] pleasure to work there that's for sure
[37:22] thank you for all you're doing here you
[37:23] and your staff thank you very much all right thank you have a good night
[37:32] [Music]
[37:46] so the first item
[37:48] is reselling requests like shop for
[37:51] parks like 10 20 mcconnell street
[37:54] joining us
[37:56] good evening everyone um this request is
[37:59] in regard to the reasonable request for
[38:02] a parcel that's part of the store checks
[38:04] redevelopment
[38:05] it's from a c2 right from an r1 single
[38:08] family residential to c2 mixed-use
[38:11] commercial um the city council referred
[38:13] this to the planning commission for
[38:15] recommendation which will take place at
[38:17] their next meeting on august 18th
[38:19] the recommendation tonight is for the
[38:21] city council to call for a public
[38:22] hearing
[38:23] regarding this request to change the
[38:25] zoning
[38:26] any questions
[38:28] um
[38:37] accepting funding for a trade inventory
[38:39] and community forest management plan
[38:43] the city of schenectady was awarded an
[38:45] urban forestry grant from the department
[38:47] of environmental conservation this is to
[38:50] do a city-wide tree inventory and
[38:52] community forest management plan um
[38:54] so we are just asking for the acceptance
[38:56] of these funds and for the mayor to
[38:58] enter any necessary agreements to carry
[39:02] out
[39:02] the purposes of the grant
[39:05] [Music]
[39:08] sixty one thousand two hundred dollars
[39:12] any questions
[39:31] [Music]
[39:45] okay mr
[39:54] wallace little bit difficulty uh
[39:57] hearings guys at the table so uh
[40:00] so this is the
[40:02] annual gaming program a little later
[40:04] than normal
[40:06] to various amount of
[40:09] difference reasons
[40:09] year that we're trying to call out in
[40:11] our backup is that this is for
[40:13] chips only
[40:15] as you are probably aware previous
[40:17] program we have three funding sources we
[40:20] have chips we have local we have
[40:22] cdbg um due to
[40:25] surplus assist money do not have a
[40:27] program to focus we decide to do a chips
[40:30] program uh i'm working on a cbd program
[40:33] and we will not have a local program as
[40:35] we didn't really bond a ton of money
[40:37] because we had it so we went forward
[40:39] with a
[40:40] more visited
[40:41] approach so this is the chips program
[40:44] this is the bigger program roughly three
[40:46] million dollar program
[40:48] and it's going to start
[40:50] after wednesday and we are going to run
[40:53] it probably right through next year into
[40:56] june
[40:57] um
[40:58] contractors like that because it gives
[41:00] them some some work to go with
[41:03] some of our work we're hoping to follow
[41:10] [Music]
[41:17] any
[41:18] questions
[41:20] so is this going to run through the
[41:22] winter are they paving in the winter now
[41:24] or is it just the money's going no
[41:26] we will have a shutdown immediately
[41:28] right around november 15th
[41:31] and then we'll pick them back up in
[41:44] thank you
[42:01] call the order finance committee the
[42:02] first item on the agenda is to discuss
[42:05] the parka public meetings
[42:07] i'll let you support you go first
[42:10] thank you
[42:11] so i asked mr ferrari if he would today
[42:14] come may explain um the amount of money
[42:17] that we're getting how much we
[42:19] spent so far
[42:21] what can and cannot see
[42:23] this cannot be used for and
[42:26] so
[42:27] sir
[42:28] mr
[42:30] thank you
[42:31] council president mr porterfield mayor
[42:34] uh
[42:35] mr portfield uh
[42:37] requested a few questions here and i got
[42:39] some answers for him well a total amount
[42:43] of arpa funds that the city's going to
[42:44] receive over two years it amounts to 52
[42:47] million 971 dollars
[42:50] 798.
[42:53] that we were receiving two rounds of 26
[42:56] million 485 at 899
[43:01] and of this first uh round we received
[43:04] the june 1st of 2021 of that 26 million
[43:08] 8 million
[43:11] six 92
[43:11] eighty dollars has been designated as a
[43:14] loss of revenue which i have sent to you
[43:16] guys previously
[43:18] uh we're expecting our second round of
[43:20] 26 million and and change uh in june of
[43:25] 2022.
[43:27] um so far
[43:29] the city uh the city council has
[43:30] allocated 233 thousand dollars
[43:33] um 145 000 was to the boys and girls
[43:37] club uh to keep these uh youths
[43:39] participating engaged in summer programs
[43:42] um
[43:43] 38 thousands to the uh schenectady fire
[43:46] tomorrow department 30 000 of that 38
[43:49] was for medication due to the changes in
[43:51] the covenant 19
[43:52] protocols and 8 000 was for the covet
[43:56] cleaning of the trucks the offices and
[43:58] buildings
[43:59] the last
[44:00] amount of 50 000 works to the
[44:02] schenectady police depart department and
[44:05] that is for the
[44:06] protocol excuse me for the
[44:10] protocol for the uh retired uh police
[44:12] officers downstairs uh coming in there
[44:15] today for covid and uh
[44:17] checking so that's that's all we have
[44:20] allocated so far
[44:23] the third question is the timeline for
[44:24] allocating the funds well the timelines
[44:27] uh for allocating funds are eligible
[44:30] costs from march 3rd 2021
[44:34] through
[44:34] december 31st 2024
[44:38] we are out obligated uh
[44:40] all our obligated funds have to be spent
[44:42] by uh 12 31 2026
[44:46] and whatever is left over we don't spend
[44:48] after that date we do have to send back
[44:50] to the fender government
[44:53] okay
[44:54] what what do we what can we spend the
[44:56] money on is the heart is one of the most
[44:58] difficult parts
[44:59] i get one thing i can tell you here
[45:02] is that
[45:04] what we cannot
[45:06] pay
[45:07] what one things that we cannot pay for
[45:10] is debt service
[45:11] we cannot pay for pension plans and we
[45:14] cannot directly or indirectly offset a
[45:16] reduction in uh net tax revenue so we
[45:19] can't
[45:20] lower taxes which is i don't know
[45:23] uh
[45:24] but some of the things that uh that
[45:26] we're allowed to uh cost for but these
[45:28] are big
[45:30] uh sections where you know you can do
[45:32] things in between like for instance
[45:34] public health you know you've got you
[45:36] know
[45:36] you can do covet testing you can pay for
[45:38] uh
[45:40] covid uh
[45:41] vaccinations there's different different
[45:43] things for uh public health uh
[45:46] also negative income uh impacts you know
[45:49] for instance uh you know one of the
[45:50] things that we were discussing is the
[45:52] higher back all the the people that we did not employ in 20 19 and 2020 to hire them back to uh
[46:00] get them back that's part of the
[46:02] negative impacts uh services to the you
[46:04] know uh community to uh impacted
[46:07] communities they're just
[46:08] disproportionate this disproportionately
[46:11] for funding so you know cdbg area
[46:14] neighborhoods you know
[46:16] by census track whatever you know things
[46:18] you can do in those neighborhoods you
[46:19] can spend money on and of course the big
[46:22] three infrastructures water sewer
[46:24] broadband but it's kind of where it's
[46:27] kind of hard right now because with the
[46:29] infrastructure bill just passed by the
[46:31] federal government where we're
[46:34] you know we don't really want to
[46:36] anticipate like we want to put our opera
[46:38] money aside for infrastructure and then we said oh god we could have paid
[46:41] this for infrastructure bill so you know
[46:44] that's why we're right now we're not
[46:45] trying to obligate uh anything on in
[46:47] those areas right now
[46:49] also also you have you know
[46:51] administration you know uh because you
[46:53] know what uh
[46:54] you know it takes a lot because you know
[46:56] uh starting august 31st we have to start
[46:58] reporting on everything and then on a
[47:01] quarterly basis uh through uh
[47:03] through the
[47:04] uh us treasury website you know you have
[47:07] to have the uh all your reports
[47:09] quarterly reports done uh every quarter
[47:11] starting august 31st will be our first uh first
[47:16] payment and uh so far the only only
[47:18] place that we're actually spending money
[47:20] is for the officers we have downstairs
[47:22] so uh um boys and girls club we're
[47:25] eventually we're going to be paying them
[47:27] soon and uh and uh in fact i got my
[47:30] first call for the fire department for the cleaning supplies and stuff like
[47:33] that so it's starting to work
[47:37] there's a there's a uh
[47:40] you know a lot
[47:41] you can spend on uh
[47:43] but you just have to be careful of not
[47:45] of what you're doing uh we were looking
[47:48] at the you know
[47:49] with the mayor you know yeah i think
[47:52] he's got some ideas they're talking
[47:53] about getting some uh task force not
[47:56] task force together but
[47:57] a committee's together to start looking
[47:59] at how and what to spend the money on
[48:02] and i i personally think that's a great
[48:03] idea i think that's the way to go a lot
[48:06] of communities are starting to do that
[48:08] but like ourselves every every community
[48:10] is cautious and they haven't really
[48:12] started spending money yet because
[48:14] ever we're all waiting for the final uh
[48:16] determination which was uh it was
[48:18] supposed to end as a july 16th so it's
[48:20] been a month now we haven't still
[48:22] haven't heard anything final yet so i
[48:24] think most that's what most of the
[48:26] communities are waiting for
[48:31] is there any other information i can get
[48:33] for you
[48:36] in the budget and the 2022 budget it
[48:40] will be yes
[48:41] actually we're going to show it two ways
[48:42] we're gonna we're gonna show it as the
[48:44] uh in the line item itself that what
[48:46] we're using art before and then in the
[48:48] revenue side we're going to have a you
[48:50] know federal arpa number
[48:52] that's one of the things too as you're
[48:54] calling we did the 2021 budget we we
[48:57] portioned i think 1.4 1.428 million for
[49:01] federal money we weren't sure we're
[49:02] going to get it we did get it so soon
[49:05] you know as we get up as we get closer
[49:07] to the end of the year we're going to
[49:08] ask for to appropriate that money from
[49:10] the arpa into that and plus our fund
[49:13] balance which we have mentioned before
[49:15] uh and plus again like i said some of
[49:16] the jobs that we want to you know uh
[49:19] bring back you know that would all be
[49:21] part of the function we're just we're
[49:23] just trying to we're actually waiting
[49:24] for the final
[49:26] uh determination like we're a little
[49:28] surprised it hasn't come yet but
[49:30] that's that's why we haven't uh these
[49:32] were immediate needs uh the boys club
[49:35] the police of fire so that's why we
[49:36] brought him ahead
[49:38] are there any questions
[49:41] well just a comment that i think you
[49:43] know in terms of the infrastructure bill
[49:45] and all of us waiting
[49:47] uh to hear what was going to happen with
[49:49] that that i
[49:50] completely
[49:52] understand and get that was important to wait for that
[49:56] and so
[50:06] one thing to happen with the
[50:07] infrastructure build that we're happy
[50:08] about is prior to the passing it there
[50:11] was that big thought that they were
[50:12] going to claw back the second the second
[50:15] payment but so far they passed the they
[50:18] passed it and they did not mention it so
[50:19] it looks like we're going to get that
[50:20] second payment which really is a big
[50:22] relief for all of us yeah yeah it's
[50:26] the
[50:27] it's important with the uh the 1.3
[50:30] trillion infrastructure i mean
[50:32] to make sure we're not
[50:35] using funds duel for you know for the
[50:37] same thing so
[50:38] like uh there's broadband in the
[50:40] infrastructure package there's water or
[50:42] sewer so we can make sure that we're
[50:45] using our our arpa money most
[50:47] efficiently and effectively and you know
[50:49] if if we went out and spent it right off
[50:51] the bat we would
[50:53] certainly not be doing very good justice
[50:55] with that money
[50:57] the other aspect that that i think we
[50:59] need to be careful of is the three and a
[51:01] half trillion
[51:02] budget package and what kind of money
[51:04] we're going to get there
[51:06] what's going to trickle down to the
[51:07] state what's going to trickle down to us
[51:10] we have the county and the
[51:12] school district to work with so we can
[51:14] make sure that we're being effective
[51:17] and not misappropriating the money so it
[51:20] was
[51:21] very prudent that we didn't
[51:23] go out and spend it right off the bat
[51:25] um
[51:27] and uh believe me mr wilfond was waiting
[51:35] are there any other questions
[51:37] yeah if i may mccarthy is there a
[51:39] timeline to put this committee together
[51:43] if you may i was going to put one
[51:46] out looking after labor day but after
[51:49] your remarks last week i defer to that
[51:52] we'll hopefully be able to negotiate
[51:53] something we're all on the same page and
[51:56] publicly sparring and the things that
[51:58] are going on
[52:00] well you know not really public sparring
[52:02] is just that we've been getting calls
[52:03] from a lot of people that's what is our
[52:05] intention and you know we need to um
[52:07] discuss this giving the names of those
[52:09] people i'm
[52:16] in terms of sure what the autonomous
[52:20] would like to have the biggest impact
[52:23] you know we did a needs assessment in
[52:25] the community
[52:27] a few years ago we've got the cdpg
[52:32] plan
[52:33] they're fairly comprehensive but
[52:36] they don't really take into account
[52:39] the impact of coping and some of those
[52:42] things that we're still learning from
[52:44] we're getting some of the new census
[52:45] data in
[52:46] uh you know it's where do we
[52:48] put that money so that it's going to
[52:49] have the biggest impact
[52:51] and to be able to do it in a coordinated
[52:53] fashion so it's not just the city but
[52:56] it's the school district in the county
[52:58] working
[53:00] simultaneously to
[53:03] leverage the resources to get long-term
[53:06] sustainable results
[53:08] that are
[53:09] wouldn't be obtained
[53:11] by actions by the individual of this
[53:13] government
[53:16] a prime example that would be brad plan
[53:18] with the school and the city
[53:20] uh exactly
[53:22] where you know they have
[53:24] you know a big need when we saw the
[53:26] combat
[53:27] that
[53:28] i think people uh very clearly
[53:30] understood the need for students to
[53:33] learn but then people working at home
[53:36] the mothers and fathers
[53:39] got shifted into an environment that
[53:43] they didn't expect and so how do we
[53:45] build capacity there
[53:47] that will
[53:49] allow us to function whatever they call
[53:51] a new normal where yes there's still
[53:53] going to be some remote learning
[53:56] from schools that probably wasn't done
[53:58] before but at the same time how do we
[54:01] foster economic growth to create job
[54:03] opportunities for
[54:06] i'll say local businesses but that's no
[54:09] longer true it's really global
[54:11] businesses you can hire people here that
[54:14] we're
[54:15] supporting operations anywhere around
[54:17] the world
[54:20] are there any other other questions
[54:22] for
[54:36] right
[54:38] common generic conversations with corey
[54:41] coleman the county manager i've got to
[54:44] set up a meeting with
[54:45] chair tony
[54:47] in the near future
[54:51] also want this to be done in a manner
[54:54] that makes sense with
[54:56] our normal budget process
[54:58] so do we spend some of this money in a
[55:00] manner that has a positive impact on
[55:03] costs going forward
[55:05] from our daily operation department
[55:09] in some of these things there
[55:11] are things that
[55:14] you know
[55:16] anthony was
[55:17] joking a little bit semi seriously talk
[55:19] about some of paul rafan's
[55:24] interest in upgrading
[55:26] new water wells those are major
[55:29] investments
[55:30] we would have to pay for those
[55:33] one way or the other
[55:34] is it something that maybe we take a
[55:36] little bit of the arc of money to offset
[55:38] the costs
[55:40] but still
[55:42] do most of the work under the general
[55:44] revenue stream that's coming out of
[55:47] the water
[55:48] and sewer funds so we have to look at
[55:50] those
[55:51] in to leverage
[55:54] those investments so that we can get the
[55:56] biggest payment
[55:57] if we can reduce our
[55:59] borrowing or borrow in a strategic
[56:01] manner because now
[56:03] interest rates are
[56:05] getting fairly low
[56:09] how do you balance that going forward so
[56:11] we've prudently
[56:13] done the borrowing but at the same time
[56:15] we've got
[56:16] this money
[56:18] other money that's out there
[56:20] we aggressively seek that into a package
[56:22] that benefits
[56:24] the
[56:25] city operations but also
[56:27] the county and schools
[56:32] are there other questions
[56:34] just
[56:35] thank you mr ferrari i appreciate all
[56:37] the work that you did on this
[56:40] i've done a fair amount of reading on
[56:41] this my own my own um but it was to have
[56:44] a kind of recap and exactly how i
[56:46] interpreted it so i'm grateful that um
[56:50] you took the time to do this quite
[56:51] frankly and i'm grateful that the mayor
[56:53] has been you know slow to spend
[56:56] you know this infrastructure bill is
[56:57] going to be extremely beneficial to the
[56:59] city and i look forward to seeing how
[57:01] much
[57:02] dollars
[57:03] filtering down to us so
[57:06] thank you just i just want to as if you need
[57:10] to get more information go right to the
[57:11] u.s treasury
[57:14] they have different things for that
[57:16] it breaks it out for you and as you can
[57:18] see as you know we've been re
[57:20] my staff and i we go through it every
[57:22] day where we break it out we're breaking
[57:24] out by different things as as much as we
[57:26] can we're trying to we're we're trying
[57:28] to get it so uh we can use it uh
[57:30] efficiently for our budget really that's
[57:32] what we're looking for that's what we're
[57:34] that's our goal uh and you guys got the
[57:36] bigger ideas you got to do the bigger
[57:38] stuff
[57:39] i truly appreciate it because there's a
[57:41] lot of information there yeah a lot of
[57:43] information yeah the key piece is it's
[57:45] not finalized yet and we really need to
[57:48] leverage this to the best of our ability
[57:50] mr patrick well i think that also
[57:53] talking about community meetings
[58:20] really
[58:33] next on the agenda thank you thank you
[58:36] acceptance of the 2020 assistance to the
[58:39] firefighters grant i see we have chief
[58:41] cynical here
[58:47] do you have a seat or you can stand
[58:54] hi
[58:54] so this grant is uh is excellent timing
[58:57] for us
[58:59] it's a grant um for to replace our
[59:01] thermal imaging cameras
[59:03] they are a very high-tech
[59:05] device
[59:07] can you hear me yes yes we can
[59:10] no okay so i'll talk a little louder so
[59:12] it's a very high-tech device that it
[59:14] just does that it uh by temperature wise
[59:18] uh it gives us images in a fire building
[59:20] it it enables us to locate fire victims
[59:24] if our room is 900 degrees and the human
[59:27] body's 100 it'll show us the outlay if
[59:29] you will
[59:30] of a barn or a fire victory for us to
[59:33] locate
[59:34] um
[59:35] also it's
[59:36] very safe for our firefighters to know
[59:38] where the city of the fire is in a zero
[59:40] visibility condition we don't want to be
[59:42] above the sea of the fire we shoot it
[59:44] off walls we're able to find exits
[59:47] it's probably our second most important
[59:49] piece of equipment we have next to our
[59:51] turnout gear
[59:52] so the grant is for sixty three thousand
[59:56] two hundred dollars
[59:57] uh our portion uh would be fifty seven
[1:00:00] hundred and forty five dollars
[1:00:02] coincidentally uh we've been looking to
[1:00:04] replace these for a couple years now and
[1:00:06] uh mr fryer and i
[1:00:08] discussed um capital budget we actually
[1:00:11] have a capital budget
[1:00:13] plan together we had for 2020 which we
[1:00:16] uh put to 2021 so
[1:00:18] timing's right and uh we're very uh
[1:00:22] we're very thankful for this grant
[1:00:24] because it's that that important to us
[1:00:26] are there any questions no i'll i'll
[1:00:29] move this second second
[1:00:32] all right
[1:00:35] thank you thank you thank you
[1:00:38] call to order public safety the first
[1:00:39] item discussion traffic signal follow-up
[1:00:42] mr palomini thank you
[1:00:44] where we left off was looking to see
[1:00:47] where
[1:00:48] uh signage might be most beneficial
[1:00:52] mr caluccio has done
[1:00:54] an incredible amount of work
[1:00:56] trying to figure this out and he's been
[1:00:58] digging deeper
[1:00:59] and i'll turn it over to
[1:01:03] thank you mr palmany
[1:01:05] so yes
[1:01:07] i've done a little work
[1:01:10] the last time we met
[1:01:14] we looked at
[1:01:17] the top 25
[1:01:19] intersections
[1:01:20] unsignalized intersections in the city
[1:01:22] to look at the number of abstinent
[1:01:24] reports
[1:01:27] so this was from january 2016 to july of
[1:01:32] this year
[1:01:34] we don't normally look at such an
[1:01:36] extended period of time when we're
[1:01:38] evaluating intersections and the
[1:01:40] problems associated with them we
[1:01:42] typically stick to like a two-year
[1:01:44] history because so many things change
[1:01:46] over time volumes of traffic change of
[1:01:50] where people come and go
[1:01:52] geometric changes all kinds of changes
[1:01:55] so
[1:01:56] keep that in mind when we're looking at
[1:01:58] it um the original list that
[1:02:01] we looked at was
[1:02:03] from
[1:02:04] the police department reporting system
[1:02:07] um what that means in comparison to what
[1:02:10] we finally ultimately looked at is some
[1:02:13] of those reports
[1:02:15] were accidents that did not occur at the
[1:02:17] intersection but were coded at that
[1:02:19] intersection
[1:02:21] some reports did not require
[1:02:24] a accident report at all and some of
[1:02:26] them were duplicate polls
[1:02:29] so i don't know if you can see this or
[1:02:31] not but this is the original breakdown
[1:02:33] that we looked at
[1:02:35] before starting at
[1:02:38] you know a breakdown of the individual
[1:02:41] locations by year
[1:02:44] and the type of control that
[1:02:47] is in use at those intersections i'll
[1:02:50] just give you a second to take the days
[1:02:51] over then
[1:02:54] at this point we've looked at
[1:02:56] five of the intersections
[1:03:00] erie boulevard and seneca street fear
[1:03:03] and gulf bedford and eastern and
[1:03:05] mcclellan in the plaza and the second
[1:03:07] column you see was the total number of
[1:03:10] accidents that were listed in the
[1:03:12] original report
[1:03:14] by the time i went through them all you
[1:03:17] look at the numbers all the way over on
[1:03:18] my right side and those are actually
[1:03:21] the number of accidents that uh were
[1:03:24] reportable
[1:03:25] at that location had the proper
[1:03:28] information so you can see there's a
[1:03:30] pretty good uh difference between some
[1:03:32] of them you're in seneca's 48 it's
[1:03:35] actually down the 32
[1:03:38] here in golf 23 down to 30 etc so again
[1:03:41] you can't always look at a book by its
[1:03:44] cover you've got to dig a little deeper
[1:03:49] this is the intersection of erie
[1:03:51] boulevard and seneca street
[1:03:54] all the accidents occurring during that
[1:03:57] time period from july
[1:03:59] 2016 to present and the type of
[1:04:02] accidents that have occurred there
[1:04:05] again there were 53 in the original one
[1:04:08] we're down to um 32
[1:04:12] six of them are
[1:04:14] personal injury accidents denoted by the
[1:04:17] pink color
[1:04:19] one auto pedestrian
[1:04:22] the largest amount of accident types is
[1:04:25] 15 they were rear-end accidents
[1:04:29] 12 turning movement accidents and four
[1:04:32] side swing accidents
[1:04:36] not all terrible if you look at the
[1:04:38] graph over time you can see that
[1:04:41] some of those numbers have gone down
[1:04:43] and you know why is that covet is
[1:04:45] probably one piece of that
[1:04:48] you know based on uh
[1:04:50] you know last year the reduced amount of
[1:04:52] traffic
[1:04:54] again
[1:04:55] this is an intersection maintained by
[1:04:57] the department of state so i'm going to
[1:04:59] take this information these accidents
[1:05:02] which
[1:05:03] you know also shows
[1:05:06] contributing factors on them you know
[1:05:08] what was going on before the accident
[1:05:10] during so i'm going to ask the
[1:05:12] department of state i'm sorry the
[1:05:16] department of transportation to take a
[1:05:17] look at it and provide some
[1:05:20] evaluation of what we can do or what
[1:05:23] they can do to improve the situation
[1:05:25] there
[1:05:27] next intersection is golf and fear
[1:05:30] avenue
[1:05:32] again what are we looking at a lot of
[1:05:34] rear end accidents right um i bet a lot
[1:05:37] of you are surprised that that's the top
[1:05:39] type you would expect the right angles
[1:05:41] right to be the the highest but no
[1:05:44] they're rear ends and
[1:05:46] the good part on this particular drawing
[1:05:48] is there's only one pink which would
[1:05:50] mean there's only been one
[1:05:53] injury personal injury
[1:05:55] another interesting fact you see the
[1:05:57] four deer on the screen so there's a
[1:06:00] few deer accidents at the
[1:06:02] intersection as well as a couple of
[1:06:05] people lost control during
[1:06:07] bad weather
[1:06:10] and again looking at the
[1:06:14] graph over time you can see that really
[1:06:17] even though there's so many that we're
[1:06:18] looking at that they are actually going
[1:06:20] down there but there's some things that
[1:06:22] we can do
[1:06:24] at this intersection that i think
[1:06:26] can improve the situation we'll talk
[1:06:28] about that on the end i'm just going to
[1:06:30] go through the other two
[1:06:33] bedford and eastern
[1:06:34] certainly been in a large number of
[1:06:37] accidents over time
[1:06:39] also notice the pink on this one a lot
[1:06:41] more personal injury
[1:06:43] this
[1:06:44] location than
[1:06:46] others we've seen so far and it is more
[1:06:49] of what you'd expect right the right
[1:06:51] angle accidents people having issues uh
[1:06:54] seeing or cars going too fast on the
[1:06:57] main road versus someone coming out big
[1:06:59] um more
[1:07:01] to what you'd expect to see
[1:07:04] over time
[1:07:05] so
[1:07:06] again i want to show you the graph on
[1:07:08] this because it is a little deceiving
[1:07:10] because
[1:07:12] the amount of accidents has actually
[1:07:15] gone down since uh we started looking at
[1:07:17] this and there have been some things
[1:07:19] that we've done there over time such as
[1:07:21] installing uh no standing here to corner
[1:07:24] signs
[1:07:25] that
[1:07:26] improve sight distance so that people
[1:07:28] can see out of the intersection better
[1:07:33] but we want to continue to
[1:07:35] make those types of improvements to
[1:07:39] make sure that these numbers stay down
[1:07:43] this one that we're going to look at
[1:07:45] today is mcclellan in the plaza
[1:07:49] not a huge number but i did want to look
[1:07:52] at this it's located at the corner at a
[1:07:55] school so i felt it was a high enough
[1:07:57] number that i wanted to find out what
[1:07:59] was going on here so
[1:08:01] again
[1:08:02] a lot of rear end accidents right um
[1:08:04] surprising that
[1:08:06] that's the situation for
[1:08:09] personal injury accidents and
[1:08:11] a couple of uh
[1:08:13] turning accidents as well
[1:08:16] same situation though and you would
[1:08:19] totally expect some of this to go down
[1:08:21] in 20 right and you know over time not a
[1:08:25] very uh
[1:08:27] an odd pattern more or less
[1:08:30] but
[1:08:31] again there's some things that
[1:08:33] we want to look at to see if we can try
[1:08:35] to make some improvements at this
[1:08:37] intersection as well
[1:08:39] real quickly i just wanted to show you
[1:08:40] this is a
[1:08:42] chart with
[1:08:44] all of the accidents that have occurred
[1:08:46] in the city over that time period this
[1:08:48] is signalized that intersect everything
[1:08:51] and basically i'm asking you to look at
[1:08:53] it to see what the three top
[1:08:55] contributing factors are
[1:08:57] driver inattention distraction failure
[1:09:00] to yield right away and following too
[1:09:02] closely if you take those three and you
[1:09:04] put them on all my other graphs that i
[1:09:06] did
[1:09:06] you will see that those are the
[1:09:08] contributing factors in all those
[1:09:10] situations
[1:09:11] so
[1:09:12] even though we expected to see something
[1:09:14] different this is what the numbers show
[1:09:16] at these intersections versus other
[1:09:19] intersections in the city
[1:09:24] okay so what can we do here um erie
[1:09:26] boulevard and center history
[1:09:28] again it's maintained by the department
[1:09:30] of
[1:09:31] transportation we're going to talk to
[1:09:34] them see what
[1:09:35] they recommend the uh
[1:09:37] that can be done there potentially other
[1:09:40] signage maybe looking at the speed limit
[1:09:42] that's 40 miles an hour there that may
[1:09:44] be a potential
[1:09:46] correction for that location
[1:09:49] fury golf road
[1:09:50] again improved signage um
[1:09:53] i think that uh if we put a stop ahead
[1:09:56] on golf road um you know back toward the
[1:09:59] route seven that may be um
[1:10:02] helpful um this is an opportunity for
[1:10:05] one of the led stop signs uh it's uh um
[1:10:09] you know
[1:10:10] a they don't necessarily not see the
[1:10:12] sign but there's just so many things
[1:10:14] happening when you're driving that your
[1:10:16] own you're you're not always paying
[1:10:18] attention right
[1:10:20] the deer accidents i think we should put
[1:10:23] some deer signs up so that's what we're
[1:10:24] going to do put some deer warning signs
[1:10:26] up
[1:10:28] we're going to look at potentially
[1:10:29] putting intersection warning signs on
[1:10:32] fear avenue you know sometimes um the
[1:10:35] cars drive uh rather quickly on um
[1:10:38] fair avenue and if your sight distance
[1:10:41] is limited these people that are at the
[1:10:43] stop sign
[1:10:45] jerk ahead think they're clear and then
[1:10:47] someone smashes into the backbone so
[1:10:50] those are things that we're going to do
[1:10:52] to try to improve the situation
[1:10:55] replace the existing street name sign
[1:10:57] with larger sign and relocate it
[1:11:00] again you want to try to reduce the
[1:11:03] issues that drivers have wherever
[1:11:05] possible so if it's someone that's
[1:11:07] trying to understand where they are
[1:11:08] they're lost or something they're going
[1:11:10] to take those extra seconds to take
[1:11:12] their eyes off of the car in front of
[1:11:14] them to look around them so we put
[1:11:16] larger signs up
[1:11:18] prominently
[1:11:19] displayed and very conspicuous then
[1:11:22] you know we think that we can reduce
[1:11:23] some of the problems that are happening
[1:11:26] as well as trim foliage you can get it
[1:11:28] kind of hard to put all these drawings
[1:11:30] together for you guys but if if i went
[1:11:33] back to the golf in fear you could see
[1:11:35] the sight distance problem with
[1:11:38] the trees and limbs and that needs to be
[1:11:41] done as well with that intersection and
[1:11:42] that's what we're going to do
[1:11:44] bedford and eastern i don't want to
[1:11:46] forget about this intersection because
[1:11:47] there it has had a poor past
[1:11:51] so one of the things that we'd like to
[1:11:53] do is remove a tree located on the
[1:11:56] southeast corner it's on on
[1:11:58] bedford uh at eastern and
[1:12:01] this stop sign is actually on the tree
[1:12:04] and the reason it's on the tree is
[1:12:05] because there's no place to put it
[1:12:07] that's going to be clearly visible
[1:12:09] if we don't remove the tree so i think
[1:12:12] that needs to be done and
[1:12:16] that's what we're going to look for
[1:12:17] support
[1:12:19] last intersection mcclellan in the plaza
[1:12:22] another location that i think that could
[1:12:24] take advantage of an led of led stop
[1:12:27] signs on the mccullen street approaches
[1:12:31] as i said before there's so many things
[1:12:33] happening especially around the school
[1:12:35] that you take your eye off of the fact
[1:12:36] that you have a stop sign there and uh
[1:12:39] you roll into the guy in front of you so
[1:12:41] i think that's a really good
[1:12:43] location to try try these out and
[1:12:46] there's also some foliage from the side
[1:12:49] streets from the plaza especially going
[1:12:51] southbound to the right
[1:12:53] that
[1:12:53] if we can get that trimmed by a home
[1:12:56] owner actually then that will improve
[1:12:58] the site distance and
[1:13:01] improve the situation overall
[1:13:04] that's all i have for you today i only
[1:13:06] did five of them but if you can imagine
[1:13:09] each one of those has taken me three to
[1:13:11] four hours each to do i actually have to
[1:13:14] go through every single accident report
[1:13:17] and verify the information and and
[1:13:20] graphics so i'm going to continue to
[1:13:21] work on the rest of them but they are
[1:13:23] going to take time but i don't think you
[1:13:25] want to see me every week so
[1:13:28] you know certainly it's something that
[1:13:30] we'd like to
[1:13:31] proceed with now that that was excellent
[1:13:33] it was
[1:13:35] an incredible
[1:13:36] labor-intensive job and
[1:13:38] we really appreciate it and thank you so
[1:13:41] much for your
[1:13:42] hard work and making sure that we're
[1:13:44] using uh data to actually absolutely put
[1:13:48] it in the right spots versus
[1:13:50] anecdotal information great
[1:13:53] thank you anybody else have questions
[1:13:57] yes um
[1:14:06] in the communities in terms of speaking
[1:14:09] and so
[1:14:10] how can we can people get signs or how
[1:14:12] would a
[1:14:27] i think the california avenue in
[1:14:28] particular for people coming off the
[1:14:30] highway just like
[1:14:31] fun too so um
[1:14:33] it may not be led signing but there have
[1:14:35] been questions regarding four-way stops
[1:14:37] it's one question and secondly um
[1:14:40] science and children
[1:14:41] so
[1:14:42] yeah i mean let me separate them for a
[1:14:44] minute so as far as the four-way stop
[1:14:46] signs we follow guidelines uh from new
[1:14:49] york state and the federal highway
[1:14:50] authority on the placement of signs and
[1:14:52] there are certain guidelines we look to
[1:14:54] follow
[1:14:56] i as i said to you before if you provide
[1:14:58] me the locations we can certainly
[1:15:00] evaluate those intersections it's based
[1:15:02] on volume and traffic on the main and on
[1:15:04] the side it's based on
[1:15:07] pedestrian activity it's based on
[1:15:11] you know
[1:15:13] geometric uh issues
[1:15:16] you know accident histories certainly
[1:15:18] provide them to me and i can take a look
[1:15:20] at them as far as children at place
[1:15:22] signs give me a street that the kids
[1:15:25] don't fight on and i'll you know
[1:15:27] they're on every single street in the
[1:15:29] city
[1:15:30] we would never be able to
[1:15:32] maintain an inventory of
[1:15:36] signs for children that live on streets
[1:15:40] because they live on every street in the
[1:15:42] city i i don't know how you would pick
[1:15:44] and choose as to
[1:15:46] um
[1:15:47] what street to place them on and what
[1:15:49] street not to place them on i i don't i
[1:15:53] don't have an idea of how i would even
[1:15:56] do that so yes you drive into other
[1:15:58] communities they have them every place
[1:16:00] what makes them special nothing they put
[1:16:03] them on dead end streets you know the
[1:16:05] people that are going down dead end
[1:16:07] streets are the ones that live there if
[1:16:09] they don't know that children are
[1:16:10] playing on their own street then
[1:16:12] you know but again if you have locations
[1:16:15] that people have issues please send them
[1:16:17] to me i will evaluate them for other
[1:16:19] potential signage and see what we can do
[1:16:21] but you know i gotta have some sort of
[1:16:23] data to back up why i'm doing a certain
[1:16:26] thing
[1:16:27] but i would be more than happy to look
[1:16:28] at uh whatever you send me
[1:16:32] okay
[1:16:46] yeah contributing factors yes thank you
[1:16:50] absolutely
[1:17:06] how do we move forward from here um
[1:17:10] i suggest we move forward with the
[1:17:12] recommendations of mr caluccio for the
[1:17:15] two intersections that he said to put
[1:17:17] signs on
[1:17:18] and then we proceed from there see how
[1:17:20] it works
[1:17:22] if we see some progress then
[1:17:24] we might look at additional signage but
[1:17:26] i think that's a good starting point
[1:17:38] so we're moving it so authorize them to
[1:17:41] purchase
[1:17:53] the next item is a follow-up from
[1:17:56] several weeks ago request for new york
[1:17:58] state legislature and the governor to
[1:18:00] amend the new york state final law
[1:18:02] to mandate a minimum 10-year sentence
[1:18:05] for people convicted of criminal
[1:18:06] possession
[1:18:08] of a
[1:18:09] weapon felony the last time we discussed
[1:18:11] this um
[1:18:12] the takeaway was uh invite this
[1:18:15] connected police department the district
[1:18:17] attorney and the social service
[1:18:19] department to help us with some
[1:18:21] information
[1:18:22] to support this
[1:18:24] resolution i think it was we were going
[1:18:26] to go back and do our own research
[1:18:28] um which i think you know i thought
[1:18:30] everyone was going to do and
[1:18:32] you know come forward with uh
[1:18:34] you know we have literal support from chief
[1:18:38] clifford
[1:18:43] is this something we want to support or
[1:18:45] not support
[1:18:46] um
[1:18:47] you know something i'd like to move
[1:18:48] forward and if i don't have supports in
[1:18:50] the committee um you know
[1:18:52] i'm
[1:18:54] but i think we need to
[1:18:56] you know
[1:18:56] have some sort of stance here you know
[1:18:59] there's
[1:19:00] so much gun violence in our city and
[1:19:02] across the region
[1:19:03] and i'd like to
[1:19:05] new york state legislature to take a
[1:19:07] long hard look at it
[1:19:10] and have some sort of
[1:19:12] discussion around it and i think this is
[1:19:15] a good resolution to get the discussion
[1:19:16] building
[1:19:18] to ensure that we
[1:19:19] you know aren't
[1:19:21] twiddling our thumbs here and um having
[1:19:23] the i know they're distracted with other
[1:19:25] things right now but
[1:19:27] at the end of the day i still think
[1:19:28] public safety is a
[1:19:31] major concern for anyone who lives in
[1:19:32] the city and i think that you know
[1:19:35] having them have to take a long hard
[1:19:37] look at this and understand that you
[1:19:39] know we need to have some sort of
[1:19:41] uh substantial penalty for someone who
[1:19:44] is
[1:19:45] you know willing to take a gun and
[1:19:48] use it to settle a dispute
[1:19:50] or use it to you know
[1:19:52] possibly hurt or carve or kill and it is
[1:19:55] a bystander and it's happening far too
[1:19:57] many times
[1:19:58] and
[1:19:59] i'm not sure that the state legislature
[1:20:01] is really focused on it and
[1:20:03] you know my recommendation is let's get
[1:20:05] the state legislature focused on it if i
[1:20:07] don't have the support i don't have the
[1:20:08] support but
[1:20:10] you know that i would like to move
[1:20:11] forward with something if i can have the
[1:20:13] support from the committee so
[1:20:16] open up a discussion
[1:20:21] my understanding though is a little like
[1:20:23] the last time that we would there would
[1:20:24] be some i haven't seen anything
[1:20:27] that there would be material that
[1:20:31] as i've um before i think before we move
[1:20:33] forward with something that we would
[1:20:35] show but we've taken the time and effort
[1:20:37] and diligence supposed to get the data
[1:20:39] that supports the fact that why we want
[1:20:41] to move this forward so um and i thought
[1:20:44] you know
[1:21:10] that said these are the reasons why
[1:21:13] and this is what we put together the
[1:21:14] school we come up with and you know
[1:21:16] here's how many crimes happen here you
[1:21:19] know in our community the support dates
[1:21:21] fans all of those kind of things and
[1:21:23] with that a couple of that um have that
[1:21:25] discussion about moving quality and also
[1:21:28] within that discussion um seeing um
[1:21:31] looking for
[1:21:32] where there have been mandatory minimums
[1:21:35] it has been affected
[1:21:37] in
[1:21:38] people and determining people from human
[1:21:40] rights so
[1:21:47] yeah an agreement with that that's what
[1:21:48] we take away from the last meeting was
[1:21:51] to get information and get this agency
[1:21:53] to provide us some information um
[1:21:57] we can follow up and with this agency
[1:22:00] i i i can follow up with this agency or
[1:22:02] my cell phone is michael
[1:22:04] to get some information directly from
[1:22:06] this agency or would you like to follow
[1:22:08] directly
[1:22:10] before i go to
[1:22:12] i'd like to make a suggestion go ahead
[1:22:14] so
[1:22:16] this is just a resolution
[1:22:18] whether it has support or not
[1:22:21] you know
[1:22:22] we have to remember our civics so it's
[1:22:25] going to go to the state if it passes
[1:22:28] they would go to committee they would
[1:22:29] research it they would do all the stuff
[1:22:31] that we're talking about here we are not
[1:22:33] passing this law
[1:22:35] so
[1:22:35] if there's support for
[1:22:37] out of committee
[1:22:39] vote for it if there's not support then
[1:22:42] say so and it's dead and we move on
[1:22:50] i don't think anyone is saying that
[1:22:51] they're not supporting it it's just that
[1:22:52] people are asking for more information
[1:22:54] and we take away from the last meeting
[1:22:55] was to get information from these free
[1:22:57] agency and that did not happen
[1:22:59] so that's why i'm repeating the ask
[1:23:01] again
[1:23:02] that can we get information to help ms
[1:23:04] porterfield with some of the information
[1:23:06] and then we'll move forward with it but
[1:23:08] that's done at the state level it's not
[1:23:09] done at this level so it's this is a
[1:23:12] resolution asking for them to consider
[1:23:15] upping the
[1:23:16] mandatory minimum
[1:23:18] so
[1:23:19] that's where it's done um
[1:23:22] if if there's no support then let's move
[1:23:24] on to say there's no support and you're
[1:23:27] done
[1:23:33] [Music]
[1:23:51] those are important things to consider
[1:23:53] as we're asking the state to do this
[1:23:54] those are the things
[1:23:56] to consider i think we should be talking
[1:23:58] with the district attorney about this
[1:23:59] and someone who deals with this all the
[1:24:01] time i think it's important to get the
[1:24:03] input from people who
[1:24:05] do this kind of work on a regular basis
[1:24:07] and for those of us who do not just say
[1:24:10] you know
[1:24:10] i think it's a good idea without having
[1:24:12] really researched why
[1:24:20] so i think those are all things that we
[1:24:21] really need to consider not just um to
[1:24:24] say
[1:24:25] 10 is the number for whatever reason is
[1:24:27] a number and i don't know the answer to
[1:24:28] that so i i don't i don't see us i don't see myself supporting it without
[1:24:35] something backing up that makes sense
[1:24:36] for me to re-understand
[1:24:38] us to discuss and like i said if it's
[1:24:41] not 10 if it's if it's 10 now
[1:24:44] it's it's less than 10 down to 10
[1:24:48] and again
[1:24:50] it hasn't been proven to be a deterrent
[1:24:52] in mandatory members i think those are
[1:24:54] all items that we should assess at this
[1:24:55] level with that
[1:25:09] [Music]
[1:25:16] and i'd suggest we hold off until people
[1:25:18] actually do the research and then
[1:25:21] if when people get their research done
[1:25:23] we can bring it back and have a
[1:25:25] discussion but uh
[1:25:27] you know we keep putting this on the
[1:25:29] agenda we look ineffective
[1:25:32] and
[1:25:33] you know it's on all of us to do our
[1:25:34] research and do our discussions
[1:25:37] don't have any problem with what you're
[1:25:38] saying so let's either do it or don't do
[1:25:41] it and move forward
[1:25:44] so i think we need clarity on you're
[1:25:46] asking us what are you saying each of us
[1:25:48] should do our own research
[1:25:49] that was what all our understanding was
[1:25:51] i thought we were all going to mr
[1:26:18] legislation so i would ask the person
[1:26:20] who's
[1:26:31] so
[1:26:32] that would be helpful for me
[1:26:39] any other discussion
[1:26:43] so whatever information that we have can
[1:26:45] we share it i know ms patrick had
[1:26:47] suggested send it to ms michael and they
[1:26:51] can
[1:26:51] send it out to the entire council
[1:26:54] can we do the same again and send that
[1:26:56] information to ms michael
[1:26:58] for distribution
[1:27:07] all right thank you
[1:27:09] we'll go on to the next item this is
[1:27:11] just a follow-up to see if there is
[1:27:13] additional information with regards to
[1:27:15] central park sidewalk petition a couple
[1:27:18] weeks ago we had asked for an estimate
[1:27:20] from mr wallin
[1:27:22] i'm still in any updates on this um
[1:27:24] sidewalk petition um
[1:27:26] program
[1:27:28] no update i've really been around for
[1:27:30] three weeks i've had a
[1:27:33] vacation and then a quarantine so i
[1:27:35] really haven't been in the office i
[1:27:36] apologize for that but i did speak with
[1:27:38] alex about it about giving you
[1:27:40] information uh you know john really uh
[1:27:44] put on a show
[1:27:48] no problem it's just a follow-up to see
[1:27:49] where you are all right
[1:27:51] [Music]
[1:27:55] all right thank you so much
[1:27:57] any other businesses for public safety
[1:28:02] second all in favor
[1:28:25] we'll just need to wait time