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so

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meeting for monday december 6. the first

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item on the agenda is a presentation

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about the central park pool was the man

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thank you mr palamini

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said

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you know we have a facility in central

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park that's been there for a long time

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and

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been

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putting money in it that requires some

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maintenance each year painting the

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surface

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unfortunately it

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doesn't meet the standards today

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the department of health

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and just some of the upkeep so it went

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out and uh

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brought in a consultant uh

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just this excitement the council's

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inclined to name the facility tonight we

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could call it gary's pool

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but it's not because of me but it's

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because of gary schultz

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consultant but if you wanted to take

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that game

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probably

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we have to do something with the central

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park facility because it just doesn't

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meet standards today

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uh it also

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somewhat of an attractive nuisance for

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the ducks and geese that are in the area

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that get in there and that becomes more

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of a challenge to just maintain the

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quality of the water

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but

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again

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brought in

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aquatica which has done some work for

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the city before in terms

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of the evaluation

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not only this facility but other

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facilities

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in the city so

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gary had some general background

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knowledge and also saratoga associates

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and so we have a presentation tonight

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uh

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submitting

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to you for consideration as we start a

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process of

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relocating the pool within central park

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and build a facility that will serve the

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needs of the community for decades going

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forward with that i'll turn it over to

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dan

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and he'll also talk about why you should

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call it gary's pool

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i didn't have a vote now just so you

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folks know uh we're just trying to

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gary's pool um

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hi everyone my name is dan sharon with

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saratoga associates um we are

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landscape architects we've been working

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in the capitol district we do a lot of

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parks work on the municipal side and

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also on the state side we've been doing

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that for 50 years so we really

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appreciated the opportunity to come and

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provide our insight into the central

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park pool we're joined on this project

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by my friends kevin schaefer and gary

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schultz gary will be the one you know he

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may want to plaque put in his honor

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we'll see we'll see how the budget goes

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but aquatica brought us in

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um to help kind of direct this but the

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real experts with respect to the

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evaluation of the pool

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and the needs for a new pool would be

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acquired so gary i don't know if you

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want to speak for just a moment in terms

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of aquatic's experience in the pool

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industry i'd be glad to again i'm gary

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shells my company is quadruples and

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water parks

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and we have pool consultants kevin is an

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mvp engineer with our firm he's a senior

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engineer

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and all we do is renovation and a lot of

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renovation and build new public and

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municipal pools

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all over the uh

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the northeast and

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southeast

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as well

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we've done a lot of renovations like

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this we're working on several right now

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and our expertise is to understand

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the codes the code requirements

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swimming

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habits and

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procedures that we've seen take place in

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other communities and and uh

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that we are just experts in the swimming

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pool itself

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thank you very much i don't care if you

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want to say anything or do we speak for

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you today

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all right very good so we understand

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there's existing pool facilities as gary

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has a background in um we looked at

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obviously the central park pool but we

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understand there's hillhurst front

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street and quacking bush

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so when you evaluate the central park

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pool there's there's some real

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challenges specific to it it's right in

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the flight path

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of the east uh and the docks we were

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there two weeks ago the day before the

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day before thanksgiving it was about 20

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degrees out and it wasn't stopped in the

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east because they were literally

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breaking through the water on the

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iroquois lake and in the swimming area

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and just continuing their their patterns

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they don't look like they're going

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anywhere they look like they look at us

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like what are we doing

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a challenge specific to this swimming area is it's it's almost

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an acre and a quarter that's a very big

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area that's a very big health and safety

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concern when you're looking specifically

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at lifeguards those sorts of things

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getting too

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specific areas because it's it's so

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such a large mass

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gary touched on something that was

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specific to code compliance and

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maintenance i'm sure you folks all know

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better than we do the issues with

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skinning filtration circulation this

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generates it takes a lot of water we met

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polython out there on the site a couple

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weeks ago we were talking about the

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needs in terms of flow rates of water

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and how it was handled and the amount of like

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chlorine or other materials that needs

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to try to

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address kind of the bacteria levels and

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stuff that's a huge challenge everywhere

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because temperatures are getting higher

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and when you have higher temperatures

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you need more chlorine

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we looked at the maintenance costs with

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and in this area

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you know you're pretty

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isolated specifically from like

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restrooms changing facilities those

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sorts of things and also we discussed

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water quality issues with waterfowl i

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know i know we discussed it out there

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specifically a couple weeks ago

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how one of the big jobs for the

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lifeguards was going out every morning

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and cleaning up all the goose waste

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before people get out there and the

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problem is is cleaning up that waste

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isn't all that easy

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um just because of the type of what it

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is so it's it's a health and safety

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hazard frankly

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well before we before you pass up let's

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just say one thing

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in general

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there is no it's not a cool spot

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there's no filtration we're just popping

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chlorine in there

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and there's no filtration there's no

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chemical control

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and it doesn't mean any uh code

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requirement in the state of department

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health that i'm aware of

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so i mean it's been a beautiful facility

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for a long time for people swimming i

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understand that but it's not cool

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on this slide just uh sort of

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delineating the code requirements and

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how that would apply to this body of

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water

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you know public pool would require that

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water to be turned over every six hours

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for filtration and

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biological contamination control

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right now that facility doesn't come

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anywhere close to that there's no

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filtration

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and we would need

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3 500 gallons of flow in there and i

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think we're probably getting about 400

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gallons of flow

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in that facility right now

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so we would need to add proper treatment

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and also one of the requirements is

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surface skin

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and in a public pool there is no surface

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skimming there's one drain at a low

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point and we're not quite sure if that meets

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safety requirements for entrapment

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look at the cost to bring this up to

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code it would just be uh it would just

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be a monstrous cause

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one thing i wanted to touch on kevin is

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here's some of our friends

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with their pre-thanksgiving activities

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right here they were breaking through

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the ice to get the law and no matter

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what we do we can't fix the flight path

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right now the deck

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slopes right into the pool it's a low

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point in that area so everything it's

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really a watershed for the whole area

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and that's that's a really that's a

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really big challenge in terms of how

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it's set up

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everything drains into it so there's

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going to be all the nutrient loading

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there's always going to be a challenge

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there with water quality

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so we looked at the proposed new site

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which is in this area here

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um

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kind of taking the footprint of the

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existing tennis stadium we looked at the

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infrastructure and the amount of earth

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moving that would be required and it

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would be minimal because we have more

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than an acre here and you'll see

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superimposed kind of where the pool

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would fit on top of it you can see how

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this is kind of a neat central location

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with respect to the tennis courts here

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the a ball diamond here music haven in

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the fair park

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so the proposed new site as i just

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touched on before

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we're looking to at this area and one

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thing that would be an advantage for

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this over

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the existing

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site

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is just the topography of it having some

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real foliage around it it inhibits geese

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it's not a normal flight pattern nothing

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stops them but this helps inhibit it

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because they would have to come in and

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go down and they're very gradual in

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terms of waterfalls

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yeah so part of that uh part of the

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scope is to add a bath house and one of

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the key features of this location is

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that there are other needs in the park

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and locating the tool here enables us to

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have a bath house that could be shared

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by multiple users the tennis courts

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are one major user

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right now they have to walk into a bat

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to get to facilities so this would give

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located so so both

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users have easy access to the facility

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like to build in

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shade and some seating

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uh it's important that the new

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facilities want to encourage inclusive

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play so we want to provide

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ada access and

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so that everyone in the community can

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take advantage of that

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yeah if you look at some of the some of

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the things that are the

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greatest interests for people right now

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it's splash parks

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people love them

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when aquatica and saratoga started

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discussing this opportunity we were

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looking at potentially having a pool

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with a splash apartment alongside it

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it's splash parks are very popular kayak

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launches are very popular

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things access the water is really

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important and that is from space yeah

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and and our plan actually does have some

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space set aside for us

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go ahead okay so so here's actually

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where we went with the concept

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and it's developing a lapse a lat pool

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here as as kevin indicated a future

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location for a splash pad this is on the

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footprint of the

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state

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for the the tennis courts and so what

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you would have is access coming off from

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the north through a bathhouse where you

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have to access this and this would all

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be defense

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there's there's things you can do with

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respect to programming

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you know you want to keep a good chunk

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of foliage around but maybe you can put

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in some more uh activities on the

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playground

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um you know some pavilions

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folks for people who have you know lunch

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picnics those sorts of things when the

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kids have a play game at the pool

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and it's tying in with the existing site

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it's just there's a there's a there's a

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lot of potential here and and don't

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think this is gospel this is this is a

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concept that was pulled together for

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discussion purposes because we wanted to

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kind of see what this what you could put

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here and get a cost estimate in terms of

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so if we can wrap your head around

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what's the bill going to be

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i might also point out as i slide to the

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fifth house

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the new bath house

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is orientated in that fashion so that it

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was somewhat near the tennis courts and

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became the

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toilet facilities became available for

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the tech stores as well as the pool

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that's that's exactly right thank you

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for bringing it up

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it is in this location so it is in that

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proximity so it could be get maximum use

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there

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and

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let's see

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you want to touch base on this

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sure these are these are this is again

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this is a concept so we really have to

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sit down and go through all the features

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we would include these are some of the

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things that municipalities are finding

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you know that are favorable right now

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they have the beach entry

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uh that it's

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made for

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ada accessibility next for

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all you know even elderly to access the

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facility

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there's also uh

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there's like a kid zone and you see in

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the upper left hand corner that there's

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a wall

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that slopes down gently to about an 18

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inch deep area

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the families find that you know really

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popular for the young tops

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and then there's a kind of a flatter

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area in the center that's really great

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for programming

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we do all kinds of things we include

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different kinds of

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like splash pad features toys

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and that's really the sky's the limit

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there

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a lot of creative solutions

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and then uh

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we have a little resistance walk there

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at the end that we can create a flow

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through there and that's popular

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elderly and you know they get some

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exercise

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and then we have the slide feature and

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then you know some so many spells like

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to include that and that's something

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that we

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can discuss during during design yeah i

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think i think the one thing i did want

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to say it's just that this is you know

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like i said this isn't this isn't in um

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stuff

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an iterative process getting feedback

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from the community

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the stakeholders that would be using it

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we want this to be something that the

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community will use and enjoy

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um and that's why you know it's great to

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have kevin and gary here so that we can

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help program something that is specific

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to the needs of the community we want to

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make sure it's going to be used

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absolutely

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and

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i'm sorry also

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remember to put things in direct

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perspective that lap pool area that

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you're looking at is

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right on top of the old pedestal

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just that's the

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thing put it in perspective that's all

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the toy features and the elements in

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there are the result of

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many tools that we've done that we found

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people like communities like communities

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use

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you're not limited no money is limited

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to any one of them or all of them the

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only prescription we have is creativity

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and

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money

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i mean at some point there's things we

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can't afford

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the community can't afford but

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the

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you know if one thing i would say if you

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could go back just for a second chris it

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was just the elements of the bathhouse

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there's the office check-in

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uh men's and women's room uh restrooms

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and change areas a break room first day

439
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and then a separate pump house which

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would all be as people access it and

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they can also access that quite readily

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from the tennis courts

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and if you look at the long range

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concept this was the this was the first

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image

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and this is kind of ties in other things

447
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and you look at what you improve here

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with respect to expanding parking let's

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say this is a big success you come

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around and you tie in

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off of fair avenue towards gulf

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and you look at the you're going to have

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the future improvements of the fair lot

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you have a lit walkway to music haven uh

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you also love to

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create a traffic circle so it's more easy in

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easy out specific to getting into the

458
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park access to the tennis courts

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you potentially could narrow down the

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current uh ashford or is that the name

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pedestrian walkway down towards the

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iroquois lake um and the restrooms but

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there's a lot of potential i think you

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look at

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what can happen here putting the pool

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here can help tie things together

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it help it can help with traffic it can

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create

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more

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connectivity specifically within central

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park and obviously

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if you get more connectivity you're

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going to have more traffic and you want

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these walkways lit and it makes it a

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little more coherent in terms of the

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wayfinding on central park

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anything to add guys

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no i like the circle creates sort of an

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entry

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into the part it it it kind of

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formalizes it a little bit

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and so as we discussed

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this the long-range concept would

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further increase parking which would be

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readily accessible

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for

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the

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a par a field

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the music haven the tennis courts it

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just enhances and creates easier access

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to parking down by the fair parking area

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potential for the splash pad

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i'll be right here

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right in this area

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[Music]

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all right does anyone have any questions

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we can talk we can talk about this stuff

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all night but we don't want to pour it

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in so we'll just ask you those to give

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us give us any uh

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questions that are relevant to the

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presentation

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feel free

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yes ma'am um so someone mentioned about

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money so

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are we talking do we based on your

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concept is there a dollar amount that

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you uh connected to this that's a fair

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question yeah what we were looking at

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before was the original step

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was and actually if you advanced it

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another couple more slides chris we have

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the cost in there it's about three

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million dollars for the new pool

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and the upgrade

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basically

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and doing retrofitting yeah we have

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three million dollars here

519
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for that as a cost estimate the other

520
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one to basically try to get it up to

521
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code was between eight and ten million

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dollars

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and that still doesn't solve a lot of

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problems you have infrastructure issues

525
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over there at the current swimming area

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this is you bring everything in new you

527
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have the infrastructure and you start

528
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thank you

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go ahead um does the three million

530
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dollars include the lighting and the you

531
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know all the all the things that we just

532
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talked about the parking

533
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it no it accounts for the stuff right

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here the

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other pieces are probably it wouldn't be

536
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more but we really haven't quantified

537
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that yet that was beyond the scope of

538
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what i asked him to look at

539
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we have to do the lighting

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coming along the a diamond going over to

541
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music haven

542
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uh what do you do with the parking lot

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on fair avenue

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uh is part of the

545
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uh ongoing

546
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review

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because we're getting rid of

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this tennis stadium which the city never

549
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put any money it was always otb that

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brought it there

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the money dried up it's gone into

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disrepair

553
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we have put money in the

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tennis courts

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and i think that we should probably look

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at putting some bleachers over those

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tennis courts

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uh there's nobody in the city today that

559
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wants to play tennis that's denied the

560
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opportunity

561
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to play tennis

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and

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it's how do you look at this relocation

564
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of the pool at the same time to

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deal with some of the other uh

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amenities that we need

567
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in the park to make sure people are

568
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using music haven using the pavilion

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uh using

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both the baseball courts basketball

571
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courts

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and other things and again

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the numbers actually surprised me i

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thought

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their estimate i believe is good for the

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basic

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uh site for the pool at roughly 3

578
00:24:06,799 --> 00:24:09,200
million dollars

579
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,159
and then

580
00:24:10,159 --> 00:24:12,720
it's what do we spend on the additional

581
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,559
modifications for

582
00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:16,720
lighting and standpoint enough

583
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,640
connectivity with walkways and other

584
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:19,840
things that

585
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,159
just allow the other amenities to be

586
00:24:22,159 --> 00:24:24,880
used at the level we'd like

587
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:25,760
to

588
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,080
mayor to the presentation point chris

589
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:29,600
and i've been working on this with the

590
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,159
consultants and i've been working with

591
00:24:32,159 --> 00:24:34,159
the tennis group for

592
00:24:34,159 --> 00:24:36,640
almost my entirety here about 10 years

593
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,320
and one of the things that they've asked

594
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,720
for has never been more tennis courts

595
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,520
necessarily but they have wanted a

596
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,000
bathroom with a changing facility and

597
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,760
the cost of that have always been well

598
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,000
how do we do that so when we sat down we

599
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,000
talked about okay this location which is

600
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,320
great and centralized and a bath house

601
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,240
with a changing facility the tennis

602
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,039
season is longer than the pool season

603
00:24:59,039 --> 00:25:01,120
so by having it in a more central

604
00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:02,640
location we're really hoping to

605
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,440
incorporate some things so that we'll

606
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,520
you know meet two goals with one

607
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,760
investment because we can we can

608
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,279
restrict you from coming into the pool

609
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:13,440
area we can allow you into the bath

610
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:14,720
house which would have changing

611
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,120
facilities to do and i think that i mean

612
00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:18,640
they have very large tournaments at the

613
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,559
tennis facility so i think we'd have a

614
00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:22,480
lot of reciprocity with that and you

615
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,640
know really show that we're making a

616
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,039
smart investment and similarly uh

617
00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:29,120
christine and i are 100 aware

618
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:31,039
that this investment will put a lot of

619
00:25:31,039 --> 00:25:37,279
bonus on ourselves to connect to it with paths and do intersection

620
00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:38,720
improvement project effective shows and

621
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,559
make the park and make this location

622
00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:42,880
more accessible to everyone and we've

623
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,559
already taken one step we've put in a

624
00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:47,200
tip-ass location to encourage biking

625
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,919
from state street into this area so it's

626
00:25:49,919 --> 00:25:51,919
now it's at the forefront

627
00:25:51,919 --> 00:25:53,120
if you're not aware of saratoga

628
00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:55,360
associates they work on the golf course

629
00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:57,600
with us previously they also worked on

630
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,880
our central park signage uh package that

631
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,720
you've heard about so we have a plan

632
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:03,840
together we're kind of waiting for

633
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,760
certain things to happen to put signage

634
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:06,960
throughout the parks people know where

635
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,200
things are and that's where they've done

636
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,720
some concepts with fair app in the

637
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,080
parking lot because that's one of the

638
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,440
parking lots we want we've been working

639
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,840
with uh mona and music haven so this is

640
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,159
a next step but i'll be it will never be

641
00:26:18,159 --> 00:26:20,480
the final step i mean this is just the

642
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,559
next step

643
00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:24,799
with parks the the faces never really

644
00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:27,200
ends because the programming constantly

645
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,120
evolves i think kind of the work we've

646
00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:31,360
been doing today with the city has kind

647
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:34,240
of helped inform our opinion in terms of

648
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,240
the location and how it ties into the

649
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,880
other programming elements of central

650
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,430
park

651
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,880
john

652
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,240
um what would be the timeline on this

653
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,640
construction project yeah we we actually

654
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,559
discussed that with i don't know mayor

655
00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:51,840
if you wanted to discuss that he won't

656
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,870
be able to bring it up

657
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,919
better grasp it you know

658
00:26:57,919 --> 00:26:59,120
probably over

659
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:01,679
like two construction seasons yeah i i

660
00:27:01,679 --> 00:27:03,840
honestly think you know

661
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,600
there are still a stakeholder

662
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,000
process that needs to occur to finalize

663
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,240
the design and we're in december where

664
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,799
at the end of 2021 you really get to the

665
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:16,480
point where the first

666
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,480
three to four to five months are the

667
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,720
design development process

668
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,399
until you get to

669
00:27:22,399 --> 00:27:24,399
the architecture and

670
00:27:24,399 --> 00:27:26,799
the pool design so we're really looking

671
00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:29,840
at probably getting started in doing the

672
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,440
design from like the second to the third

673
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,559
quarters of 2022 and then starting the

674
00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:37,919
construction

675
00:27:37,919 --> 00:27:40,320
in probably the end of the third quarter

676
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:41,440
into

677
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,799
early 2023 with a target start date of

678
00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:47,200
say june 1st of 2023 i think that would

679
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,159
be a good target

680
00:27:50,159 --> 00:27:51,279
thank you

681
00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:52,960
and of course you have

682
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,960
to supply you know things that we may

683
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,039
not be able to so that's

684
00:27:57,039 --> 00:27:58,480
it is difficult because we have run into

685
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,799
that with a lot of projects yeah it's been a real challenge and and i

686
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:04,960
think the more time we have the better

687
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,640
so we can start putting things in the

688
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,399
queue but we're hoping some of the

689
00:28:08,399 --> 00:28:10,480
supply the supply line issues get

690
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,630
resolved hopefully

691
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,870
there any other questions

692
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,640
all right well thank you thank you very

693
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,559
much folks have a good evening thank you

694
00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:25,360
thanks for your time thank you everybody

695
00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:27,520
next on the agenda is the government

696
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,320
operations mrs porterfield call to order

697
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,399
government operations there are five

698
00:28:32,399 --> 00:28:34,240
items on the agenda

699
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,120
uh the first item for discussion is osm

700
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:39,520
broadcast of city council and committee

701
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,960
meetings thank you uh so we as you know

702
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,039
we've been having difficulties with the

703
00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:47,679
transmission of uh council and committee

704
00:28:47,679 --> 00:28:48,640
meetings

705
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:49,760
we

706
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,200
asked that

707
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:52,000
if

708
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,559
here he is there is back there uh if he

709
00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:56,799
would bring a quote and some information

710
00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:58,480
so you all should have received the

711
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,880
email with the quote and zeb if you

712
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,159
could uh

713
00:29:02,159 --> 00:29:03,840
just present to us

714
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:09,350
what the findings were

715
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,600
we asked

716
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,000
technologies who's a very

717
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,760
good standing reputable uh company in

718
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,919
the city to give us a quote on what they

719
00:29:19,919 --> 00:29:23,600
would do to upgrade all of the

720
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,960
issues with the sound the video and

721
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,720
everything like that with the not only

722
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,360
this room but also the um the commercial

723
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:32,960
chambers

724
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,080
and what they came back with um

725
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,640
i had some questions for tom who's the

726
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,430
chief

727
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,039
guy over there who

728
00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:47,200
looked at our space

729
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,760
and explained to me each one of these

730
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,200
because i wasn't even unsure about some

731
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,840
of this stuff

732
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,399
um

733
00:29:54,399 --> 00:29:56,880
and uh i come to the territory this is

734
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,919
actually really good this would

735
00:29:59,919 --> 00:30:03,360
put us in a very good spot quality wise

736
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,000
there's a lot of issues with um

737
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,679
buzzing noises i mean you can hear it it

738
00:30:07,679 --> 00:30:08,720
just

739
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,200
moves right into the mics

740
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,200
and uh

741
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,000
tommy's a real good expert and uh

742
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,080
and these mics that he outlined in this

743
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:25,750
system would um

744
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,159
spot in terms of audio and video and

745
00:30:28,159 --> 00:30:29,919
broadcasting the meetings i mean things

746
00:30:29,919 --> 00:30:33,510
like um

747
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,720
noise cancellation on mics

748
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,760
uh having sam in the room

749
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,760
with a slider so she can turn down the

750
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,200
audio in the console chambers because it

751
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,399
gets loud

752
00:30:44,399 --> 00:30:47,279
it's very tough for us as the production

753
00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:49,279
to know if it's too loud in the council

754
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:50,559
chambers

755
00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:52,559
you would be able to just kind of tone

756
00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:55,120
the audio down in there

757
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,480
and also

758
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,720
you know mute likes when you need to

759
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,600
and those sorts of things

760
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:04,480
those

761
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,440
cordless mics that we use

762
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,679
those are those are on a signal that's

763
00:31:09,679 --> 00:31:12,080
not really used anymore so

764
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,399
they're just they're on their way out

765
00:31:14,399 --> 00:31:18,230
so um

766
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,480
some new ones that actually meet

767
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,590
code

768
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,799
yeah i don't know is there any questions

769
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:31,110
so i have a few um

770
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,840
let's say we went down this road uh how

771
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:34,960
long

772
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,440
do you think this technology would be

773
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,320
i asked that exact question

774
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,799
he said it would be at least 10 years

775
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:44,480
because you know obviously

776
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,760
technology changes and things evolved

777
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,919
but i mean um

778
00:31:49,919 --> 00:31:51,200
you know

779
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,039
uh he said at least ten years on uh

780
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:57,679
on the audio video i'm sorry i think

781
00:31:57,679 --> 00:32:00,240
that the cameras are so i mean i want

782
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:01,760
some of these things last longer than 10

783
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,600
years i know that somebody's a really

784
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:04,960
good company

785
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:09,509
with video

786
00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:12,720
and if we didn't do live transmission

787
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,159
with the cost being the same or

788
00:32:16,159 --> 00:32:18,240
yeah this does not this is this is just

789
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,120
improving the audio and video quality

790
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,320
overall

791
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,120
uh

792
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,919
on the video side so you're recording

793
00:32:25,919 --> 00:32:28,640
the actual transmission is a kind of a

794
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,720
separate uh thing

795
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,399
that um

796
00:32:32,399 --> 00:32:34,960
it just that depends on um

797
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,200
you know the internet and he did

798
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:38,399
actually

799
00:32:38,399 --> 00:32:41,039
uh include uh

800
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:43,200
internet boosting signal to the

801
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,399
amplifier to actually uh make sure that

802
00:32:46,399 --> 00:32:48,240
the the internet signal that's coming

803
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,830
out is a little more secure

804
00:32:51,840 --> 00:33:07,269
so the stream will be a little more solid

805
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:23,190
um

806
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,519
i know that you've identified um a tech

807
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:27,600
some a business so we would have to go

808
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,440
out to bid for this just to find if we

809
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,519
were their competing bids

810
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:34,000
i need to defer that to you guys and uh

811
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,320
you certainly could put it down

812
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,039
we may have to uh a lot of

813
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:41,200
this type of equipment is on state

814
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,679
contract or consolidated supply of the

815
00:33:43,679 --> 00:33:44,799
federal

816
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:47,279
vetting process so we would be able to

817
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:50,000
purchase it directly okay

818
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,509
thank you

819
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:55,600
are there any other options that we

820
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,549
might have to

821
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:00,880
get the meetings out there i mean

822
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,039
uh we just put

823
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:05,840
i'm gonna say we i mean i think it was

824
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,000
two or three years ago probably put 10

825
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,079
or 15 000 in

826
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:12,240
and

827
00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:14,240
i guess we thought it would take care of

828
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:15,839
the problem

829
00:34:15,839 --> 00:34:19,119
are there other options of

830
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:20,879
transmitting the meetings

831
00:34:20,879 --> 00:34:25,119
um i mean the the transmitting it and uh

832
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:26,879
capturing good audio they're kind of two

833
00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:28,639
separate problems i mean the the

834
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:30,879
transmission is just to determine what

835
00:34:30,879 --> 00:34:32,720
you're putting out there this would give

836
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:34,399
us

837
00:34:34,399 --> 00:34:36,240
everyone's audible i mean these these

838
00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:37,760
bikes they just they just pick up a lot

839
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,520
of the ambient sound the air

840
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,440
conditioning a lot of things

841
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,480
the um this would give us a solid ground

842
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,079
to put out

843
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:49,040
a really clean good-looking

844
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,280
committee meeting council meeting

845
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,560
um and then also uh help us with the

846
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,480
streaming that this

847
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,079
the internet stream would be a little

848
00:34:58,079 --> 00:34:59,599
more stable

849
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:01,359
so it kind of really solved both of

850
00:35:01,359 --> 00:35:03,839
those problems but that interesting

851
00:35:03,839 --> 00:35:09,750
question

852
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,079
i think it's something that we need to

853
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:14,079
think about and obviously the

854
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:17,359
transmission is a major problem we get

855
00:35:17,359 --> 00:35:20,240
complaints every single week

856
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:21,680
and

857
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:22,560
but

858
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,680
50 000 is a lot of money too

859
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,720
but it should last 10 years hopefully

860
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:29,760
but

861
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,760
mayor uh

862
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,160
do you have any other options or your

863
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:35,920
staff have any other options of

864
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,079
possibility of

865
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:40,960
getting these meetings out there

866
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,359
we haven't

867
00:35:43,359 --> 00:35:47,119
looked at it specifically other than

868
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:48,640
uh it's

869
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,880
packaging all the information that's

870
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,440
available where

871
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,599
uh it's likely has the long history

872
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:58,160
we're the first to broadcast

873
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,800
city council meetings live

874
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,320
it's been

875
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,160
probably 40 years

876
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,680
maybe longer that

877
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,440
they've done it

878
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,960
but today it's just not the

879
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:11,920
a

880
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,560
simple visual of

881
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,160
council members

882
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,320
talking being at the meeting it's how do

883
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,920
you get the additional information up

884
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,200
it's you know where you have

885
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,520
presentations like this to be able to

886
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:24,960
merge it

887
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,280
the more recent change in state

888
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,000
legislation that requires

889
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,280
information to be made available

890
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,400
prior to the meetings

891
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,000
and again

892
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,760
you know that's all good but at the same

893
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,680
time you don't want the public to be

894
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,520
overwhelmed with kind of what i'll call

895
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,920
white noise where you're putting out so

896
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:46,720
much

897
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:48,720
that they don't have time to sort

898
00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:49,680
through it

899
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,320
and how do you manage that so

900
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,480
i think the discussion has to be

901
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,680
not only the streaming of the meetings

902
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,720
but it's packaging all the information

903
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:02,400
that goes out

904
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,280
the data the photographs

905
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,079
other information the council or city

906
00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:09,520
staff may be

907
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,240
using to make decisions or come to a

908
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:14,240
conclusion in terms of legislation or

909
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:16,800
other actions that you're looking at

910
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,960
do you think you could have your staff

911
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,880
look at this and

912
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,640
maybe make a proposal or presentation

913
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,990
you know in the future

914
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,400
most certainly we can work with zev and

915
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,640
take what he's put together and look at

916
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,680
other things that

917
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,920
may be applicable and it's out at city

918
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,800
council meetings you have other

919
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,960
bodies you know it's a zoning board

920
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,280
planning commission

921
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,520
that

922
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,160
have equally important roles i should

923
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,040
say

924
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,480
nothing's as important as the city

925
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,079
council but

926
00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:57,839
that

927
00:37:57,839 --> 00:38:00,480
people want to know what's going on and

928
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,880
how do we get that information out so

929
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,200
that they can understand it and

930
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,599
again understand what's going on at city

931
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:10,870
hall

932
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,480
i think that's a good place to leave it

933
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,640
let the mayor's staff hopefully poor

934
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,320
nate was that and

935
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,480
when they have something and we'll bring

936
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,480
it back to the table

937
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:27,150
and open any questions at any time

938
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,079
um thank you okay thank you mr feldman

939
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:31,520
thank you

940
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,520
okay the next item on the agenda is

941
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,440
resolution to appoint carl williams and

942
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,320
during tutorial to vacant council seats

943
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,400
as we all know there was an election

944
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,000
for two unexpired terms and the um

945
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,760
you know we have the people who won the

946
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,079
election car williamson during the toro

947
00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:50,320
who are at this point we can appoint

948
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,240
them to the vacant council seats which

949
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:54,320
will you know means they'll be able to

950
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,680
govern for like two weeks of 2021 but um

951
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,359
you know again you know that's what's

952
00:38:59,359 --> 00:39:02,240
before you today for us to make those um

953
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:04,480
to make those appointments

954
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,630
so i'm opening up for discussion

955
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,280
did you measure

956
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,640
are you raising your hand i am raising

957
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,720
my hand okay um i would like to go move

958
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:16,320
forward with appointing them even for

959
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,400
those only for a few weeks i don't see a

960
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,960
reason not to appoint them

961
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,560
anyone else

962
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:23,920
okay

963
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,119
do you want to

964
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:26,800
i'd like to make a motion

965
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,760
a second okay all those in favor aye

966
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,079
okay then just be on the agenda for next

967
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:33,599
week

968
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:34,480
um

969
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,079
the next item of the agenda is the

970
00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:39,920
procurement policy for january uh 2022

971
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,760
to december

972
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,200
23. mr colton thank you um in the packet

973
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,240
tonight

974
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:47,280
um

975
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,520
is more i want to say it's a legislative

976
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:50,560
request

977
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:51,680
it was something that will eventually

978
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,760
turn into a legislative request

979
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,200
potentially

980
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,040
every two years state law requires

981
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,839
review of the procurement policies of

982
00:39:59,839 --> 00:40:01,359
the particular municipality here

983
00:40:01,359 --> 00:40:02,780
obviously the city of connecticut

984
00:40:02,780 --> 00:40:04,000
[Music]

985
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,880
our two-year period is coming to an end

986
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,520
i've included the resolution

987
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,319
from the last period january 1 2020

988
00:40:12,319 --> 00:40:17,109
through december excuse me um should be

989
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:20,079
through december 31 2021

990
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:21,599
um

991
00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:24,160
that the council approved

992
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,920
obviously it's open for

993
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,520
discussion for

994
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,240
the council members

995
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:32,319
from my take on it from talking to city

996
00:40:32,319 --> 00:40:34,480
staff this procurement policy has worked

997
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:35,839
pretty well

998
00:40:35,839 --> 00:40:38,000
i haven't heard any significant issues

999
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,520
obviously i believe there's been a bit

1000
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,040
more accountability

1001
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,960
because certain things have to go to the

1002
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:43,970
council

1003
00:40:43,970 --> 00:40:45,599
[Music]

1004
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:47,760
obviously happy to address any questions

1005
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,480
that the council may have

1006
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,800
in terms of you know uh passing a new

1007
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,990
policy

1008
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:56,800
so

1009
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,720
it seems like there's thank you it seems

1010
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:01,119
like there's not there's no change from

1011
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:03,200
what we passed last year or i'm not

1012
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,800
proposing any changes that's not up for

1013
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,440
me to propose obviously the council can

1014
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,760
do what the council would like to do

1015
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,599
all i can tell you is anecdotally from

1016
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:12,800
speaking to

1017
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,880
the departments they've been

1018
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,560
i think pretty happy with the current

1019
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,720
policy i think we did change it quite a

1020
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:21,200
bit from the last time

1021
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,359
in terms of

1022
00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:24,720
purchases that are less than a certain

1023
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:26,240
amount we changed that threshold so it

1024
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:27,839
didn't have to

1025
00:41:27,839 --> 00:41:29,920
come back to the council because i think

1026
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,119
it was

1027
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:33,359
a bit of an older policy and the costs

1028
00:41:33,359 --> 00:41:35,280
have gone up for certain things

1029
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:36,560
making it

1030
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,079
i think less feasible when we had to

1031
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:40,079
make decisions

1032
00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:42,079
i know that was something that came from

1033
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:44,319
i believe general services engineering

1034
00:41:44,319 --> 00:41:46,160
and development

1035
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:47,760
but you know obviously it's up to the

1036
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,760
council in terms of what it wants to do

1037
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,920
but that time is coming where a new

1038
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,510
policy is in order okay

1039
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:56,020
so

1040
00:41:56,020 --> 00:41:57,680
[Music]

1041
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,240
on on here we have individuals names i

1042
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:02,560
thought we changed that to

1043
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,160
do you have to have a um

1044
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,520
you're right it has to be an

1045
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,400
individual's name in there um that's

1046
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,240
what came to be obviously there are

1047
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:11,280
certain things that are going to have to

1048
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,280
change with regard to that commissioner

1049
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,200
edens is in there for example yes um

1050
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:18,880
and there may be other changes

1051
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,480
yeah they said no you hadn't put

1052
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:21,680
individuals

1053
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,599
so those people are specifically

1054
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:26,000
responsible for it so you can't do that

1055
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,040
i thought we

1056
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:28,720
right that's what we tried to do okay

1057
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:31,680
all right

1058
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,920
like purchasing supervisor obviously um

1059
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,200
aaron gallagher's now the purchase

1060
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:36,800
supervisor so things along those lines

1061
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,160
those are the obvious things i have to

1062
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,040
change

1063
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,119
um but in terms of you know the lack of

1064
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:43,599
a better phrase the main potatoes of the

1065
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:45,200
you know the bulk of the the purchasing

1066
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,760
policy that's obviously something that

1067
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,960
you know the council should discuss um

1068
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:55,760
as i said my perspective on it it's a good policy but you know things

1069
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,240
need to be fine-tuned or the council has

1070
00:42:58,240 --> 00:42:59,760
no other considerations and wants to

1071
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:00,640
address

1072
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,160
and that's obviously within the preview

1073
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,870
of the council

1074
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,040
uh any other questions or

1075
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,640
so at this point i i am i'd like us to

1076
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,400
actually maybe have a presentation by

1077
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:13,760
those who

1078
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,000
you know do the procurements like to

1079
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,720
hear from from whom you mentioned

1080
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:20,880
and um

1081
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,640
to do that before we just go ahead and

1082
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,359
say let's just uniformly pass this then

1083
00:43:25,359 --> 00:43:27,200
move forward so that's what i'd like to

1084
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,720
see okay

1085
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:32,000
you know i i can't that's not my

1086
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,040
one presentation tonight oh no no not at

1087
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:43,510
all no i would have asked for that number

1088
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,760
okay and again if you have

1089
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,480
specific areas that you'd like

1090
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,160
because some of the stuff they can talk

1091
00:43:50,160 --> 00:44:00,130
all night i know

1092
00:44:00,140 --> 00:44:05,270
[Music]

1093
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,359
if you look at this resolution that

1094
00:44:07,359 --> 00:44:09,200
passed it wasn't passed until march we

1095
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:10,720
were working on the old policy for a

1096
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:12,400
while obviously it's one of those things

1097
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:13,920
i was waiting for after budget season to

1098
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,599
bring this forward but i wanted to

1099
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:17,760
obviously be on the council's radar

1100
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,760
um otherwise we would be operating

1101
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,960
within this purchasing policy okay

1102
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,839
fine yeah we need to review it

1103
00:44:25,839 --> 00:44:26,800
okay

1104
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,040
all right any questions

1105
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,960
okay the next item on the agenda is just

1106
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,839
a reminder of the public hearing on next

1107
00:44:33,839 --> 00:44:37,040
monday december 13th to amend chapter

1108
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,520
87-11 uh for the city code to add

1109
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,160
juneteenth as a declared holiday

1110
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,640
just a placeholder

1111
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,720
and the final item on the agenda is

1112
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:48,160
discussion of the legislation

1113
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,800
legalization of marijuana and the op out

1114
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,400
option

1115
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,520
so as we all know that um and

1116
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,680
in order for us to opt out

1117
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,760
um we'd have to make a decision by

1118
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,880
december 31st or we would opt in in

1119
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,839
terms of having cannabis lounges and

1120
00:45:05,839 --> 00:45:09,040
dispensaries in the city and um opting

1121
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:10,319
out means that you still have an

1122
00:45:10,319 --> 00:45:12,160
opportunity to opt in

1123
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,319
uh however if you do nothing then you're

1124
00:45:14,319 --> 00:45:15,839
automatically in

1125
00:45:15,839 --> 00:45:18,480
and you there is no opportunity to opt

1126
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:19,440
out

1127
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:20,640
um so

1128
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,359
you know however it happened we just

1129
00:45:23,359 --> 00:45:24,880
this didn't get on the agenda months ago

1130
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,160
when really it would have been a great

1131
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,079
opportunity to do it but it was i know

1132
00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:29,440
that i'm not the only one we received

1133
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,680
emails i had an informal discussion with

1134
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,359
mr colton and i really thought that it

1135
00:45:33,359 --> 00:45:34,720
was something that we need to discuss

1136
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:35,359
and

1137
00:45:35,359 --> 00:45:37,520
um you know asked mr mutaveron if we

1138
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,119
could have it on the agenda so we're here to discuss that tonight

1139
00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:42,480
um

1140
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,040
and i also have to say that since it's

1141
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,960
on the agenda there's been emails

1142
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,800
there's an op-ed piece there's i

1143
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,040
received phone calls and text messages

1144
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,000
so people have a lot that they want a

1145
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,440
lot of input and that's just in that

1146
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,480
small window of time so clearly there's

1147
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,359
a lot of public um feeling of one way or

1148
00:46:01,359 --> 00:46:04,000
the other regarding um having uh

1149
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,560
dispensaries and lounges within the city

1150
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,680
of schenectady so you know we we as a

1151
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,599
council have to decide whether we would

1152
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:13,760
opt out and then give this further time

1153
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,520
to discuss it and really see if it makes

1154
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,200
sense or where it makes sense and if

1155
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,960
zoning is part of the issue

1156
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,200
which um i'm told that's that's another

1157
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,480
thing that you know we could we could

1158
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,040
discuss so um bringing you here tonight

1159
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,359
to get input um from the council so we

1160
00:46:27,359 --> 00:46:29,520
can make that decision because again we

1161
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,040
um the opt-out deadline is december 31st

1162
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,040
so

1163
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,440
is there any comments or concerns or

1164
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,119
questions or

1165
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:41,760
what are your thoughts

1166
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,920
well i would like to opt out but i was

1167
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,839
allowing other people the opportunity to

1168
00:46:45,839 --> 00:46:47,440
say that i would like to opt out i don't

1169
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,440
think that a decision such as this is

1170
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,119
something we should make in a very short

1171
00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:53,680
time frame um because if we even wanted

1172
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,040
to have a public hearing it would mean

1173
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:56,480
that we'd have the public hearing and

1174
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,079
have to vote on the very same night

1175
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:00,079
which is not a true public hearing

1176
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:00,960
so

1177
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,440
um if we this is a decision that's it's

1178
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,599
it it includes revenue and it also

1179
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:07,119
includes other social issues that go

1180
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:09,520
along with it so rather than to

1181
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,800
hurriedly make the decision because we

1182
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,119
did not do this in a timely manner it

1183
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:17,040
makes sense to me to spend the time

1184
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,440
really discussing it to really get

1185
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,079
a lot more public input input from the

1186
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:23,920
police department input from there's

1187
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,280
people that

1188
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,920
have set information regarding business

1189
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:28,960
opportunities that they would like to

1190
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,680
pursue so there's a lot to be considered

1191
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,319
and in my opinion not all of that can be

1192
00:47:34,319 --> 00:47:36,079
considered this very short time frame

1193
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:37,520
which is also a time frame when people

1194
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:38,960
are doing a lot of other things and

1195
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,880
distracted i won't call it distracted

1196
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,720
but giving their attention to the

1197
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:44,880
holidays so my opinion is that we should

1198
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,440
opt out take the real time to discuss it

1199
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,480
and make a decision based on

1200
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,160
a lot of information just not a short

1201
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,599
amount of information in a very short

1202
00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:56,549
timeframe

1203
00:47:56,559 --> 00:47:58,880
so um

1204
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,599
in regards to waiting for the

1205
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:03,440
meeting

1206
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,760
i'll speak for myself i was hoping and

1207
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,160
waiting for the state to come out with

1208
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,160
some regulations and

1209
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,000
some rules and there's been nothing

1210
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:14,800
and

1211
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,680
so i think at least for me that's why

1212
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,040
i haven't looked for it to be earlier

1213
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:21,920
and

1214
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,720
i think probably for many of us on on

1215
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:25,760
the council

1216
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,000
in regards to a public hearing i have a

1217
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,559
question from mr colbin

1218
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:32,640
it's my understanding we could have a

1219
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,480
public hearing on monday

1220
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,040
we just need to have like three days

1221
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,920
notice is that correct

1222
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,400
yes i mean

1223
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,160
there have to be a resolution to call

1224
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:45,599
for a public area

1225
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:48,720
which would take us to next monday

1226
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:49,920
because there'd have to be a resolution

1227
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,599
to call for the public hearing

1228
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:53,920
um so you can't there has to then there

1229
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,760
has to be notice

1230
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,240
i know i see city clerk shaking her head

1231
00:48:58,240 --> 00:48:59,200
because

1232
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:00,720
even if the city council next monday

1233
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:02,319
were to pass a resolution to call for a

1234
00:49:02,319 --> 00:49:05,200
public hearing there has to then be

1235
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,440
sufficient notice to provide

1236
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,040
the public an opportunity not just to

1237
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,599
have a public hearing but to review any

1238
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:13,680
materials

1239
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,079
that would be considered for that

1240
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:18,630
hearing

1241
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,319
because i

1242
00:49:20,319 --> 00:49:21,760
wanted to clarify because my

1243
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,000
understanding was if we called for

1244
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,839
public hearing on monday we just needed

1245
00:49:25,839 --> 00:49:27,280
three days so thank you for that

1246
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,309
clarification

1247
00:49:30,319 --> 00:49:33,520
but what is patrick well so

1248
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,200
i didn't hear whether you were thinking

1249
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,200
um three days was enough if we had the

1250
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:38,640
resolution

1251
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,800
we the resolution wouldn't pass until

1252
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:45,119
next monday right but i mean then if

1253
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:46,640
you pass a resolution calling for a

1254
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,520
public hearing um and then notice has to

1255
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,359
go out but you know

1256
00:49:51,359 --> 00:49:53,359
generally the mayor has to you know sign

1257
00:49:53,359 --> 00:49:57,109
the resolution and there's a

1258
00:49:57,119 --> 00:49:58,640
it'll have to sit problem cycle because

1259
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,800
you're calling for a public hearing

1260
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:01,920
then

1261
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,160
that's going to be the 13th then you're

1262
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,079
going to have to have the public hearing

1263
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:06,880
and then

1264
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,880
either pass it that night or the next

1265
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:14,470
you know meeting night

1266
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,319
so it's not just three days it's what

1267
00:50:16,319 --> 00:50:22,870
you're saying okay

1268
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,000
so um

1269
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:31,040
i would uh recommend a compromise here

1270
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,839
um i think the dispensaries

1271
00:50:33,839 --> 00:50:34,720
are

1272
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:36,160
you know there's some dispensaries that

1273
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:37,520
are already like

1274
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,520
in process throughout the city i think

1275
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:40,559
they're going to be coming before

1276
00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:43,520
planning a development

1277
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,160
i would want a lot more information on

1278
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:47,839
what they would be wanting to do from a

1279
00:50:47,839 --> 00:50:50,319
lounge standpoint so my recommendation

1280
00:50:50,319 --> 00:50:52,800
would be that we opt out on any

1281
00:50:52,800 --> 00:51:00,069
lounges but go forward with dispensers

1282
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:02,000
i i didn't know if we could if we could

1283
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,280
do that i would have to look really a

1284
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,319
little bit yes yes i believe we can from

1285
00:51:06,319 --> 00:51:08,000
the reading that i've read i believe

1286
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,920
that we can opt out

1287
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,760
on the lounges and move forward with

1288
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,630
dispensaries

1289
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,720
well i would like to be able to be able

1290
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:18,400
to read that and see that and have that

1291
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,160
in detail without making that decision

1292
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,240
again for me it's about making sure we

1293
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:25,040
have as much information as possible and

1294
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:26,640
not um

1295
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,800
not just making it based on this quick

1296
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:29,920
decision tonight because i think this is

1297
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,760
a very quick turnaround

1298
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,520
and we should really take the time to do

1299
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,520
it and we've already heard from

1300
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,000
people that don't want dispensaries so i

1301
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,000
think that i think public input is an

1302
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,480
important part of this process

1303
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,359
before we make that decision

1304
00:51:45,359 --> 00:51:46,880
yes ms patrick

1305
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,400
i'm sorry

1306
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,400
well i did have a chance today to

1307
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,280
go to the office of cannabis management

1308
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,160
website uh which i just found out today

1309
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,119
existed um and did some reading before i

1310
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:01,359
came here and you can actually make that

1311
00:52:01,359 --> 00:52:04,079
choice of

1312
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:06,559
just dispensaries or dispensaries and

1313
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:10,160
lounges or just lounges

1314
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:11,040
i

1315
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,480
do feel that we need more time to really

1316
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,480
look at rules and regulations

1317
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,880
i have had a conversation

1318
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,680
with our police chief as well

1319
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,760
my feeling is that i

1320
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,160
would like to see us be able to have

1321
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:27,760
dispensaries

1322
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,000
i do think that that will help us to cut

1323
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,359
down on some of the illegal activity

1324
00:52:33,359 --> 00:52:35,520
that's happening in the city in terms of

1325
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,119
um

1326
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:38,640
i think that we'd have more control over

1327
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,000
the quality of the product that was

1328
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,280
being sold if it was being sold in

1329
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:44,079
a

1330
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:46,400
in an environment that we get to decide

1331
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,640
you know who's doing that so i think

1332
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,640
rather than you know is it going to be

1333
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,160
laced with fentanyl are we going to have

1334
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,400
more overdoses et cetera that's one

1335
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,400
thing i think it also gives

1336
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,720
um us the opportunity for our police

1337
00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:01,040
force to have less

1338
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:02,400
and i don't know that i'm completely

1339
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,400
accurate on this but less

1340
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,480
minor offenses that they would be having

1341
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:07,680
to

1342
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,520
review and

1343
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,640
go after um and so therefore there'd be

1344
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,319
more focus on the things that we know

1345
00:53:14,319 --> 00:53:16,640
that they're focused on

1346
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,319
you know all the time in terms of more

1347
00:53:18,319 --> 00:53:21,280
major crimes um so those are those are

1348
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,480
two aspects of it um i think for me the

1349
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,800
sales tax aspect which i actually found

1350
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,160
out some more information about that

1351
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,200
today as well um is part of the decision

1352
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,240
but it's to me not the uh focus of this

1353
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:37,280
discussion i'm more concerned about uh

1354
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,440
people and neighborhoods

1355
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,640
in that regard so i do feel

1356
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,240
luckily i know that we can opt back in i

1357
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:47,680
made sure of that because one of the

1358
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,400
calls i got today from a business person

1359
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,960
um i got several calls from businesses

1360
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,839
that do want us to be able to uh have

1361
00:53:55,839 --> 00:53:58,480
the dispensaries um

1362
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,559
and like all of us we got obviously

1363
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:02,000
emails and calls from people that don't

1364
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,839
want us to do that as well

1365
00:54:03,839 --> 00:54:06,079
um but one of the business people that

1366
00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:08,480
called me today didn't feel that we

1367
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,480
could opt back in so i really did some

1368
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,040
research to make sure indeed that we can

1369
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,599
opt back in uh so i feel comfortable

1370
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:17,599
with that so

1371
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:19,520
those are my feelings mayor

1372
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,920
just uh asked chief clifford to be here

1373
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,040
tonight the council so desired

1374
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:26,800
would provide you some background

1375
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,720
briefing that it would involve sources

1376
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:30,720
methods and operations within the police

1377
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:32,640
department which you would have to move

1378
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:38,870
into executive session for

1379
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,760
so at this point in time um i mean we

1380
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,680
can hear that discussion so i what

1381
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:44,880
happened with this is right now we're

1382
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,200
the only two on uh right on this

1383
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:48,960
committee but it also sounds like we

1384
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,040
have to go into a session before we can

1385
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,799
hear from the chief right

1386
00:54:52,799 --> 00:54:57,280
absolutely absolutely so i mean

1387
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,760
does anyone else want to weigh in on any

1388
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,319
other council member mr palamini um i

1389
00:55:02,319 --> 00:55:04,160
think there's a number of considerations

1390
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:05,200
that

1391
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,119
we need to think about

1392
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:10,640
some have been articulated others not

1393
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:11,839
for instance

1394
00:55:11,839 --> 00:55:14,000
what about all these tobacco shops that

1395
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,720
are setting up with the

1396
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:18,240
thoughts that they're going to be

1397
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:20,640
selling marijuana

1398
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,000
that's something that's in our

1399
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,760
neighborhoods

1400
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,160
yes there's stores that want to operate

1401
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,799
and there's business considerations

1402
00:55:28,799 --> 00:55:30,640
but those are largely in commercial

1403
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,119
districts whereas these tobacco shops

1404
00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:34,960
are in the neighborhoods we already have

1405
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,520
enough problems in the neighborhoods so

1406
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,599
what would be some

1407
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:41,520
solutions to that problem

1408
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:42,960
um

1409
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:44,880
you know there's i think a variety of

1410
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,880
considerations the

1411
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,160
i don't buy sorry miss patrick but i

1412
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:51,839
don't buy the argument that it will

1413
00:55:51,839 --> 00:55:53,280
solve the

1414
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,520
illegal issues and it'll just create

1415
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,680
another market

1416
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,599
and that's typically how these things

1417
00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:00,960
operate

1418
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,079
so i think there's a number of

1419
00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:04,640
considerations for us to consider

1420
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:05,599
um

1421
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:07,920
you know the neighborhoods to me is the

1422
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,599
big one um

1423
00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:12,150
you know

1424
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,000
we have many many issues in our

1425
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,319
neighborhoods already

1426
00:56:16,319 --> 00:56:17,359
so

1427
00:56:17,359 --> 00:56:18,559
i think

1428
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:20,319
we'll go into executive session i'm

1429
00:56:20,319 --> 00:56:21,839
assuming that's what you're looking to

1430
00:56:21,839 --> 00:56:24,799
do we'll hear from the chief but

1431
00:56:24,799 --> 00:56:27,119
i just think that's some things that we

1432
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:28,960
need to consider

1433
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:30,960
as we move forward

1434
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:35,030
whether to opt in or opt out but

1435
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:36,480
i think

1436
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,200
we we have a number of issues also

1437
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,119
think about the pharmacies

1438
00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:43,599
you know pharmacies popped up

1439
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:46,000
20 years ago every corner

1440
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,760
and now they're going out of business

1441
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,880
and we're left with these empty things

1442
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,200
so there's i think things that we need

1443
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,119
to think through a little bit

1444
00:56:55,119 --> 00:56:56,480
and

1445
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,400
maybe we'll get some answers

1446
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,799
uh in the discussions of some of the

1447
00:57:00,799 --> 00:57:02,960
things that that will hear

1448
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:04,960
but i think it's uh

1449
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,160
not quite so simple

1450
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,319
well i just want to respond i don't i

1451
00:57:10,319 --> 00:57:12,079
didn't think that it would solve our

1452
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:14,720
problems with drug killers or illegal

1453
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:17,920
drug activity um at all but and i want

1454
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,559
to hear more about that from from the

1455
00:57:20,559 --> 00:57:21,599
chief

1456
00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:23,760
but i also think that it seems to me

1457
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,359
that we would have

1458
00:57:25,359 --> 00:57:27,599
uh well first of all there's also zoning

1459
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:29,520
and planning et cetera that that

1460
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,440
businesses would have to go through but

1461
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,440
i think in terms of what you're bringing

1462
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,599
up around the neighborhoods i think we

1463
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:37,440
also will be able to make some decisions

1464
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,400
about that as well in terms of where

1465
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,119
uh in the city we would you know and how

1466
00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:45,520
many et cetera et cetera i mean we we

1467
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,839
can make those kinds of recommendations

1468
00:57:47,839 --> 00:57:49,680
around the number of dispensaries and

1469
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:55,040
that kind of thing i think from what i'm reading so that's

1470
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,119
sorry mr paul ready but those are just

1471
00:57:57,119 --> 00:57:59,359
to respond to that so with all of this

1472
00:57:59,359 --> 00:58:00,799
discussion i think with this one thing

1473
00:58:00,799 --> 00:58:02,000
that's pretty clear it needs more

1474
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,240
discussion and i also think it needs a

1475
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,480
lot more public input there are well

1476
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,880
philosophers currently who are you know

1477
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:10,319
talking about making a decision that's

1478
00:58:10,319 --> 00:58:13,119
going to impact the entire city so

1479
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:14,000
um

1480
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,079
i i again think that public input is

1481
00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:18,319
important we talked about neighborhoods

1482
00:58:18,319 --> 00:58:19,920
and where would be and there's going to

1483
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,680
be a lot of limiting not my backyard i

1484
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:23,839
believe that so you know those are all

1485
00:58:23,839 --> 00:58:25,520
things that we need to consider so i'm

1486
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,760
not i'm not

1487
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,520
from my perspective willing to rush into

1488
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,920
it and then have to then kind of back

1489
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,680
out of it and consider all those things

1490
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,079
i think we should have a have it really

1491
00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:37,200
done well

1492
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:38,880
and once we roll it out so i know that

1493
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,040
we need to go into executive session to

1494
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:42,640
discuss to hear what the chief has to

1495
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,880
say so uh at this time i'll just

1496
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,960
entertain a motion to recess but we will

1497
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:48,480
then have to come out and make

1498
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:49,599
and vote

1499
00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:51,680
okay all right oh i'll make that motion

1500
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,160
success okay we're going to reset uh

1501
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,160
government ops and discuss the rest of

1502
00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:00,570
the an executive session

1503
00:59:00,580 --> 00:59:02,480
[Music]

1504
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,480
so caught order finance committee first

1505
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,240
item on the agenda is a review of the

1506
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,119
downtown um schenectady assessment

1507
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:10,880
district there's a public hearing on the

1508
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:12,400
22nd

1509
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,359
are there any questions or comments

1510
00:59:15,359 --> 00:59:16,960
have a motion

1511
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,839
a second always in favor aye next is

1512
00:59:19,839 --> 00:59:22,720
review of the 2022 upper union street

1513
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,280
business improvement district again uh

1514
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,160
public hearing on 22nd any questions or

1515
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:29,440
comments

1516
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:38,630
emotionally second all

1517
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,559
development and planning there are 13

1518
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:42,240
items on the agenda

1519
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,079
the first item on the agenda thermal

1520
00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:45,760
imaging camera for the connecting fire

1521
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:51,190
department aaron gallagher

1522
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,750
no

1523
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,280
so

1524
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:56,559
are you gonna think that she's gonna

1525
00:59:56,559 --> 00:59:57,839
take that are we gonna put that on for

1526
00:59:57,839 --> 01:00:02,069
two weeks

1527
01:00:02,079 --> 01:00:03,839
just the purchase of some equipment

1528
01:00:03,839 --> 01:00:07,430
which i think is detailed

1529
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,670
it's on page 15.

1530
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:23,349
someone's thinking the same thing

1531
01:00:23,359 --> 01:00:24,880
so the

1532
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,119
council

1533
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:31,430
has already approved

1534
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,720
we are going to propose a purchase of a

1535
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,720
thermal imaging cameras

1536
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,960
in the capital budget

1537
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,839
then there came an opportunity for a

1538
01:00:40,839 --> 01:00:43,520
grant the general

1539
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,760
assistance of firefighters training

1540
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,160
which we applied and we were fortunate

1541
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,160
enough to get them so we're pulling that

1542
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,559
off of the capital budget

1543
01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:54,880
and it's been approved to accept the

1544
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:56,400
grant the council has already approved

1545
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:57,200
that

1546
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,920
so what this is here is just to

1547
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:02,160
uh it went to bid there was

1548
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,160
one bitter garrison

1549
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,160
uh fire apparatus

1550
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,480
a company that we dealt with and now the

1551
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,359
proposal is for the council to

1552
01:01:11,359 --> 01:01:13,760
accept that date okay

1553
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,040
and it's for

1554
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,079
the total

1555
01:01:18,079 --> 01:01:21,359
that's for 60 000.

1556
01:01:21,359 --> 01:01:22,240
yeah

1557
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:23,680
62

1558
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,920
sorry sixty two thousand five five

1559
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:27,920
hundred and sixty dollars right

1560
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:29,359
um

1561
01:01:29,359 --> 01:01:31,359
fifty six thousand and change is going

1562
01:01:31,359 --> 01:01:33,760
to be from the grant okay and the city

1563
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:34,799
is

1564
01:01:34,799 --> 01:01:36,160
uh

1565
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:39,510
over about fifty

1566
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,559
but i guess the question on the table is

1567
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:46,789
can we go with garrison

1568
01:01:46,799 --> 01:01:48,799
are there any questions

1569
01:01:48,799 --> 01:01:53,610
no i'll move it

1570
01:01:53,620 --> 01:01:58,150
[Music]

1571
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,480
all right uh the next item on the agenda

1572
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,319
is into municipal water agreement with

1573
01:02:02,319 --> 01:02:10,710
the town of rotterdam it's philippa

1574
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,480
the request you have for planning for

1575
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,559
approval tonight for consideration

1576
01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:15,920
is the um

1577
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:17,920
updated and renewable lottery

1578
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,079
intermittent water agreement

1579
01:02:20,079 --> 01:02:22,319
we do provide water and certain parts of

1580
01:02:22,319 --> 01:02:23,839
rotterdam that are convenient to our

1581
01:02:23,839 --> 01:02:25,359
water mains

1582
01:02:25,359 --> 01:02:26,559
this agreement has been in place for a

1583
01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:28,319
number of years but it was time to

1584
01:02:28,319 --> 01:02:30,559
update the agreement

1585
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:32,480
and we entered into a five-year

1586
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:33,920
agreement with the counter-run and the

1587
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,440
five-year-old

1588
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,839
the rate is the current uh obviously

1589
01:02:37,839 --> 01:02:39,200
rate and the

1590
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,200
budget

1591
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:44,240
so that would be the new rating

1592
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:47,109
any questions

1593
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:49,599
okay second all those in favor aye aye

1594
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:51,680
thank you mr obama good evening thank

1595
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:53,839
you it's insane

1596
01:02:53,839 --> 01:02:56,160
next time on the agenda uh to authorize

1597
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,079
the mayor to enter into a supplemental

1598
01:02:58,079 --> 01:02:59,599
agreement with new york state department

1599
01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:01,359
of transportation for

1600
01:03:01,359 --> 01:03:04,000
broadway mill and phil fourth street to

1601
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:09,270
each street

1602
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,280
uh so as you're aware we are in the

1603
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,000
process of pause right now

1604
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,880
of the preservation of broadway between

1605
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:18,400
890

1606
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,000
and newport

1607
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,880
so what we're looking at doing is like

1608
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:24,559
we did a last session we have two

1609
01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:26,559
agreements this one's the first one this

1610
01:03:26,559 --> 01:03:27,920
allows us to

1611
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,920
enter an agreement with the dot where we

1612
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,720
can get reimbursed for up to 95 percent

1613
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,200
of the costs incurred for the project

1614
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:36,720
so

1615
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:38,319
looking forward this we've already

1616
01:03:38,319 --> 01:03:39,680
increased some money but you can roll

1617
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:41,119
out the current now we can go back and

1618
01:03:41,119 --> 01:03:48,950
get reimbursed for it

1619
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:49,920
thank you

1620
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,559
okay uh the next item on the agenda is

1621
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:53,440
the

1622
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,359
department of transportation for rich

1623
01:03:55,359 --> 01:03:56,960
new york and it gives the bin number

1624
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,000
francis avenue over 80 90. mr wallace

1625
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,319
yep so this is the same thing different

1626
01:04:02,319 --> 01:04:04,960
project we have not started the francis

1627
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:06,799
avenue bridge yet we haven't even

1628
01:04:06,799 --> 01:04:09,760
see it here but doing it this way

1629
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,000
is what finance would actually prefer is

1630
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,079
that we do them at the same time so that

1631
01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:15,920
we turn around the reimbursements as

1632
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,400
fast as we get the bills

1633
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:19,280
so

1634
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,280
due to my kind of capacity it's not

1635
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:22,559
possible to usually get everything there

1636
01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:24,079
but we're going to try it with this one

1637
01:04:24,079 --> 01:04:25,440
because it's a little slower in the

1638
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,520
winter so um

1639
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,680
it's a little out of order

1640
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,000
is francis avenue deck replacement

1641
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:33,119
between

1642
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:34,799
hamilton hill and mount pleasant we're

1643
01:04:34,799 --> 01:04:37,200
going to be doing that project next year

1644
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,599
with this company tioga hopefully

1645
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:41,839
it's awarded and that project is going

1646
01:04:41,839 --> 01:04:43,680
to start first thing in the spring go on

1647
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,640
for a number of months possibly three

1648
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:51,670
all new deck we have a lot of problems

1649
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:52,559
and

1650
01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:55,359
all new deck lighting radio defense and

1651
01:04:55,359 --> 01:04:59,190
then this will reimburse us

1652
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:00,960
any questions

1653
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:05,990
i'll move it second all those in favor

1654
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,160
okay and the next item on the agenda

1655
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:09,760
number five is to authorize the city

1656
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:11,359
engineer to take steps necessary for the

1657
01:05:11,359 --> 01:05:12,960
right-of-way acquisition for kings road

1658
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,440
over amtrak

1659
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,119
if andrew was going to touch on this for

1660
01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:18,799
me yeah this is actually something that

1661
01:05:18,799 --> 01:05:20,480
came before the committee um at the last

1662
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,799
committee meeting um only it was a call

1663
01:05:22,799 --> 01:05:24,640
for a public hearing um it shouldn't

1664
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:25,920
have been a call for a public hearing we

1665
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:27,119
didn't need it we don't need a public

1666
01:05:27,119 --> 01:05:29,280
hearing for this

1667
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,920
there is that property so kings road we

1668
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:33,839
need access to certain properties in

1669
01:05:33,839 --> 01:05:37,760
order to complete the bridge work there

1670
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,000
the issue is we had reached out to a

1671
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:41,599
number of the property owners there's

1672
01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:44,480
one person if you recall had passed away

1673
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,119
another one we had trouble locating i

1674
01:05:47,119 --> 01:05:48,480
think the owner

1675
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,799
another i think another one just was not

1676
01:05:50,799 --> 01:05:52,640
interested but in order to get this work

1677
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:54,880
done we're not taking a large piece of

1678
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,200
the parcels it's a very small strip for

1679
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:01,119
the purpose of doing the work um it does

1680
01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:04,640
technically de minimis uh based on

1681
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,319
how much property we're actually

1682
01:06:06,319 --> 01:06:07,599
accessing

1683
01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:09,839
therefore we don't need to have a public

1684
01:06:09,839 --> 01:06:12,319
hearing so be the recommendation from

1685
01:06:12,319 --> 01:06:14,240
the law department and obviously from mr

1686
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,160
wallen from the engineering department

1687
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,000
to move forward with this resolution so

1688
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:22,559
that we can um seek uh the properties um

1689
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:24,880
through eminent domain

1690
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,200
are there any questions

1691
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,400
second always in paper

1692
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,200
okay and uh fighting number six

1693
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:34,880
award-winning contract for the francis

1694
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:36,880
avalon bridge deck replacement we'll

1695
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:38,079
talk a little bit about that somebody's

1696
01:06:38,079 --> 01:06:39,359
gonna talk a little bit about that i'll

1697
01:06:39,359 --> 01:06:40,640
just get into the a little bit of the

1698
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:42,559
detail that we have in there is that we

1699
01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:44,960
did uh design this for a better car

1700
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,359
this was a bridge new york project

1701
01:06:47,359 --> 01:06:50,160
yesterday where bridge new york is a

1702
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,880
competitive statewide project

1703
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,119
solicitation where

1704
01:06:55,119 --> 01:06:56,559
i had to make a

1705
01:06:56,559 --> 01:06:58,480
application for the state it was

1706
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,200
reviewed by a group that is unaware they

1707
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,039
actually have different regions review

1708
01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:05,440
um and it's based on merit and awarded

1709
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,640
it is a hundred percent uh

1710
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,839
it's 100 funded however the work was

1711
01:07:11,839 --> 01:07:14,160
more than we wanted to but still we want

1712
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:16,079
to get this work done because 80 percent

1713
01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:17,760
it would have been there but we need to

1714
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:19,839
get this bridge done we put it out we

1715
01:07:19,839 --> 01:07:22,400
got as you see five bridges um for the

1716
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,559
most part the bridges bits were very

1717
01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:25,599
close

1718
01:07:25,599 --> 01:07:28,160
um and tioga we have not worked with

1719
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:29,440
taiwan we've been working with d.a

1720
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:31,839
collins and beth but we did call uh i

1721
01:07:31,839 --> 01:07:33,760
did call some references they are

1722
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:35,359
rapidly confirmed reasons we don't do a

1723
01:07:35,359 --> 01:07:38,480
lot of bridge work in the city um but we

1724
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:40,640
have no reservations moving forward with

1725
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:42,799
it and i really think this is going to

1726
01:07:42,799 --> 01:07:45,119
be a great project to get the bridges

1727
01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:46,559
done we're really

1728
01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:47,839
making some improvements with all the

1729
01:07:47,839 --> 01:07:50,319
bridges in the city which is great okay

1730
01:07:50,319 --> 01:07:52,240
any questions or discussion

1731
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:53,760
i'll obtain a motion

1732
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,559
in a second all those in favor all right

1733
01:07:56,559 --> 01:07:58,160
thank you mr wallace thank you

1734
01:07:58,160 --> 01:07:59,119
welcome

1735
01:07:59,119 --> 01:08:00,880
uh the next time on the agenda is

1736
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:02,160
award-winning contract for the

1737
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,000
demolition and

1738
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,920
select making properties in the city

1739
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,799
through jackson demolition services mr

1740
01:08:08,799 --> 01:08:10,960
thank you good evening everyone so as

1741
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,760
part of our five year consolidated plan

1742
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,400
we always look we set aside funding to

1743
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:18,560
remove blight and to complement some of

1744
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:20,400
the investments and redevelopment that's

1745
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,640
happening within the neighborhoods um so

1746
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:26,000
this is basically the recommendation is

1747
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,040
that the

1748
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:28,640
city council authorized the mayor to

1749
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:29,839
enter an agreement with jackson

1750
01:08:29,839 --> 01:08:31,679
demolition services for the demolition

1751
01:08:31,679 --> 01:08:34,560
removal of debris of the

1752
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:36,319
vacant buildings that are listed in the

1753
01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:39,600
amount of 422 700

1754
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,000
um jackson was the lowest bidder and

1755
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,159
these are some of our most troubled

1756
01:08:44,159 --> 01:08:49,590
properties uh in the city

1757
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,640
any questions or discussion i'll move it

1758
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,359
second all those in favor all right

1759
01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:57,199
thank you yeah

1760
01:08:57,199 --> 01:08:58,239
okay

1761
01:08:58,239 --> 01:09:00,719
um all the final items on the agenda are

1762
01:09:00,719 --> 01:09:03,120
for executive session

1763
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:04,880
so this time i'd like to attend emotions

1764
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:06,960
to go into executive session so moved

1765
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:08,000
second

1766
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:09,520
all's in favor high

1767
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:13,210
okay the public

1768
01:09:13,220 --> 01:09:16,310
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