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remember when your kids

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used to smell it the little paper

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exactly

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did i miss it no i owned it

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for us

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we just started

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basically

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thank you thank you

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council committee meeting for death

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tuesday january 18 2022

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and so we'll start with the public

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safety committee

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so i'd like to call to order the public

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safety committee on tonight's agenda we

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have one item there's a discussion for

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reducing barriers to the connectivity

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fire department i'll be spoken to by mr

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harlow okay thank you okay so currently

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in schenectady the firepower cars all

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happen it's the complete

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college credit course which means that

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right now the requirements in order for

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them to be a firefighter you must be a

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paramedic um after talking um with the

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assistant chief

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moreno here and and having some pretty

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candid conversations and he just has a

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wealth of knowledge um we're trying to

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kind of look at this and say

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we want the highest skilled

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qualified people working in these very

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important

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positions

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how do we

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um be intentional about increasing

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access

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um an opportunity to become a

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firefighter in scenicity

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um and we're kind of thinking about

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and having some conversations about how

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do we open up the access but at the same

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time maintaining and increasing you know

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the safety of residents that live here

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in the city is connected

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um so like i said we're just kind of in

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the early parts of the conversation but

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i want to bring it up i'm here and get

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um get some input uh and invite you know

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everyone else to into the conversation

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about how do we do that

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in a way that um

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maintains that standard because we're

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not into lowering standards that's not a

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place that we can afford to do so but

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maybe um look at

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the order of of

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you know right now you can't even you

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know part of the parts like to talk to

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you unless you're apparent right now how

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it's written but you know there are ways

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that where you can kind of maintain that

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expectation um throughout your uh

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employment uh

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and time here with the firefighters and

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there's also some um

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interest uh from our schenectady city

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school district and

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sec about doing some um pilot uh public

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safety tracks um to kind of uh

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expose some of the youth to uh what it's

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like to be a

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firefighter and or you know law

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enforcement in the city of connecticut

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that's just kind of where we're at right

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now but um

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assistant chief fatigue yes yes

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and i want to acknowledge our assistant

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chief don here um again we're just in

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if you wanted to share anything any

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thoughts about that

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yeah could you come up and explain what

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to become a firefighter

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okay so currently uh the process is

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uh simply request civil service to

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make an announcement for another

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uh test

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of the civil service exam which we

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currently have one active that's going

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to close in january january 31st it's

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been open since the 1st goes january

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the test will be march 19th

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in order to take the test you have to uh

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be a resident of

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connecticut county or the contingent

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counties

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that's number one number two you have to

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be 20 years old

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and number three you have to be you have

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to hold an emt card

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and then you'll be able to sit for the

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after that you take the test

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you bring all your

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qualifications to civil service to keep

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and you won't get an interview with the

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city with the fire department unless you

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have 60 college credits

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you have a paramedic card

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and also you've got the physical agility

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test those are the three qualifications

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qualified then we would invite those

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after the interview if you move beyond

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we send you for a physical

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for a mental health check

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fingerprints

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background check

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and if all that goes

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then we'll talk about

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are you any questions from our fellow

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counselors in schools

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chief could you tell us a little bit

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for example you had the open house a few

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weeks ago um and some of the other

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initiatives that you currently have

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try to um be recruiting especially from

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within

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our city yeah

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we prefer to hire within the city for

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numerous reasons

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so we target all our recruitment efforts

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within the city

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we use facebook footage they go a little

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bit outside city libraries

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so we use facebook we've had an ad

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campaign

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billboards we've spoken to the media

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many of our media partners have run

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different articles we've done interviews

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that way

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spoken to all neighborhood groups

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talking to other groups um

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that operate within the city so all our

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efforts have been targeted with this

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prior to covet i think i mentioned this

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from the last time i was here

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that this is all short-term or

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short-term plans

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long-term plans we want to get in

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within the city schools

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to kind of plant the sea

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young people coming up that then think that this could be an

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option for them

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uh that's more of a long-term game

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and because the colbert that got

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sidelined we're now

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in conversation with several people to

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make that uh

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that's long term

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any other questions mr

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the qualifications that are set now how

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long have they been in place for

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firefighters paramedics here in the city

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exactly where we're doing it now i'm

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going to guess about 20 years

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and and what do you where do you think

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our ranking is statewide or

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nationally even as far as us being such

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a

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great fire department paramedic unit

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with the qualifications that we set for

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third parties and paramedics

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not only originally

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recognized

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state recognized and then also

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nationally

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we've had there have been articles about

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within some of the uh

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magazines fire house and fire

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engineering uh so we're very well

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respected

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it's a very efficiently run department um

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we can go into details but i'm not going

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to get deep into what's here

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we do nearly 20 000 calls

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and we have 117 paradox when you start

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comparing that to other departments

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they don't compare they do a good job

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but they don't compare to what we're

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on certain calls may be a very recent

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it's extremely important

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to have that level of care

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when things are going south things are

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going bad you want to make sure you have

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your highest level of care

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which we did

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on the call i'm thinking about

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thank you for all you do thank you so

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much

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so right now you have so every

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firefighter is a paramedic

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so when you were initially talking you

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said in order to take the test they only

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had to have their emt card right they

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could be 20 years old 20 years old right

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to be appointed

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21 years old

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have a paramedic card

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so okay between taking taking the test

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and actually applying they have to

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finish those 60 credits which a lot of

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people don't take it as an emt as

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they're pursuing their paramedics

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the other question is um

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because i talked to this to ben and i

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can't remember his last name ben

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do you or um we talked about perhaps

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having a like a cadet program sort of

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like the police do but for

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younger people who want to um

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who may want to become firefighters

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like a cadet program today yes

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so is that something is that what you're

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talking about when you talk about the

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schools or is that something different

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i wouldn't call it that program but it

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would be

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an opportunity to speak to young people

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have them see us on a regular basis

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so they say you know i'm not firing down

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i'm just dying and this is what i do for

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a living

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and you plant the seed

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that's a long term goal because those

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individuals would be 16 17 18 they

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couldn't take the test but they

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could go to emt school paramedic school

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you know get exposed to it and see if

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there's something it's curious out for

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again students so it's my understanding

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that hudson valley i'm sorry hudson

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valley community college has um the type

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of program that someone would need to go

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through

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the paramedic so let's go

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there's lots of scholarships there's

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lots of financial aid available to folks

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that choose to

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go to hudson valley so in terms of the

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affordability

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of going through the paramedic program

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that sort of

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is helped by the financial

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you know first of all the low tuition

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but secondly i know that i know the

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scope of the scholarship potential that

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the community colleges offer

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so

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do we get a lot of folks that go through

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that program are there folks going

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through other programs and then could

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you also speak a little bit about the

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kind of

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the physical the physicality

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of what also is required um

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in terms of you know i'm certainly not

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going to be someone that's going to be

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able to get on a week or two o'clock in

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the morning a nice storm

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um you know kind of thing but the kind

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of physical training

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the mechanical ability in terms of some

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of the i know when i did my ride along

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and and toured the fire departments just

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the kinds of things that our

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firefighters have to do to maintain our

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equipment

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um so

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basically the program

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access to that program at hudson valley

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just your your thoughts on that as well

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as the physical nature and the

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mechanical aptitude that someone would

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need

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we had our open house i think it was

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december 10th i remember right now and

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at the open house we had a

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representative from hudson valley

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gentleman came

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they've been very good that's very

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helpful or

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they assist us in the way that we need

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and when we came in

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uh

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we asked specifically because we have

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some people come through we have

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specifically about opportunities

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financial opportunities

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and he did confirm what we thought that

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there are those but those are in an

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individual basis a person would have to

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go and you know they talk about us to

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see exactly where they would

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those opportunities are there being told

353
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there are other opportunities maybe for

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people that need assistance

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and i don't know all of them

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hudson valley

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and culpa skill rhino paramedic program

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there is a day course and a night course

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the day course

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takes approximately a year

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the main course is a little slower pace

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will take two years

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and both hudson valley and

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cocoa skill

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about the physical nature in terms of

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that training as well and the mechanical

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aspects yeah

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um

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so this is a little college

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um

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there are many aspects to the gym to the

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career just besides

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you know putting the wet stuff under

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itself

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oh yeah

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and if a person has

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mechanical ability it's going to assist

379
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them and we get people from all parts of

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like all

381
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always you know all different

382
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they're in different places right

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some people are very strong here

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when we get them we them to where they

385
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need to be we work with them

386
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some go quicker so we can take a little

387
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more work

388
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but to get somebody that has that

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mechanical skill

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or or

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you know whatever

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we're dealing with heating

393
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um

394
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issues furnaces right we're dealing with

395
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water issues we're dealing with

396
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medical issues we're dealing with um

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asthmaticians weapons of mass

398
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instruction

399
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and not everyone's going to come in with

400
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,480
all those skills so we have to train and

401
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,159
we do that

402
00:25:08,159 --> 00:25:11,279
um as far as physically it is a physical

403
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:14,799
job it's a young person's job

404
00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:16,240
you go from

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zero to 60 in a matter of seconds

406
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several years ago one of the news

407
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stations did a

408
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study they put somebody on a monitor

409
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and they just work with them all day

410
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long

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you know all the different things they

412
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were doing and they watch your heart

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rate be at about 55 60 64 whatever

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we call it the bell it's not the volume

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or but when the call comes in

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this person's heart rate went from 60 to

417
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120 in about 20 seconds that i'm not

418
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exaggerating

419
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it's just

420
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so that alone takes its toll

421
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so now you're

422
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doing whatever

423
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complaining about mourinho's chicken

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farm

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and the next thing you know three

426
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minutes later

427
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,640
you're crawling through smoking flames

428
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going for that child that's opening the

429
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second floor

430
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it takes a toll

431
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so there's

432
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physicality is is a major part of it

433
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so um definitely appreciate all the

434
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,600
comments chief marino simply put not to

435
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,120
belabor the topic over the course of

436
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your tenure as a firefighter would you

437
00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:24,720
say recruitment has

438
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risen stayed the same or declined

439
00:26:28,559 --> 00:26:29,919
in

440
00:26:29,919 --> 00:26:31,760
numbers correct

441
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,320
that's declined great so um

442
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i definitely appreciate our

443
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,039
conversations that we've had on the

444
00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:38,640
topic i think it's apparent from

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everyone that's been in the room that

446
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something needs to change

447
00:26:42,159 --> 00:26:44,720
i appreciate mr farley's comments and

448
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,120
also bringing up this agenda item

449
00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:49,120
but i think you hit it on the head chief

450
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:51,120
moreno what we have to measure our

451
00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:52,720
short-term or long-term benefits and

452
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,720
what direction we seek for this

453
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,320
connectivity for the safety fire

454
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department

455
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,120
i definitely understand that

456
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unfortunately there may be some adverse

457
00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:03,120
impacts that are prohibiting people from

458
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:05,200
submitting their applications

459
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,720
unbeknownst to

460
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,559
scholarship grants or opportunities i

461
00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:10,080
know for me personally working in

462
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,080
employment sometimes takes an illness

463
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,720
over individuals career aspirations

464
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,320
but i appreciate all the efforts you've

465
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,399
done to get in front of this issue

466
00:27:18,399 --> 00:27:19,919
because we need to make sure that we

467
00:27:19,919 --> 00:27:22,159
continue to stack our fire department to

468
00:27:22,159 --> 00:27:24,159
the best of its abilities especially to

469
00:27:24,159 --> 00:27:25,760
meet these demanding

470
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,880
criteria that you alluded to tonight so

471
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,640
what i would love to see is having

472
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members from our local institutions come

473
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to include our colleges

474
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and also

475
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,520
high schools to be able to

476
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,039
collaboratively get around this issue

477
00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:40,720
and make sure that we have a pipeline in

478
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,399
place so that we are targeting

479
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individuals

480
00:27:43,919 --> 00:27:46,799
to also include potentially curtailing

481
00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:48,480
some of the initial

482
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:49,840
uh requirements not from the standpoint

483
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,760
of lowering our expectations but just to

484
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,840
make sure that we have the people and

485
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,840
the right people skilled to perform our

486
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,760
duties so

487
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,919
i would like to see this put back on for

488
00:27:59,919 --> 00:28:02,399
another two weeks question

489
00:28:02,399 --> 00:28:04,399
is there an upper age limit sorry is

490
00:28:04,399 --> 00:28:06,000
there an upper age limit that you can

491
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,080
like after you get to age

492
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,799
35 you can no longer so it's as long as

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00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:12,399
you're physically fit you can you can

494
00:28:12,399 --> 00:28:14,399
actually and have everything else in

495
00:28:14,399 --> 00:28:16,320
place at this moment there's no cut off

496
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,600
age limit as long as you can pass the

497
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,919
physical damage i use myself as an

498
00:28:19,919 --> 00:28:21,919
example no but you're already here

499
00:28:21,919 --> 00:28:23,440
no no i don't mean i don't think is

500
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,120
there an age do you have to age out at

501
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:27,279
some point but no there's no way no

502
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:29,039
there's no okay

503
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:30,559
well that's good to know

504
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:31,440
carl

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mccartney

506
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:34,880
just when you're talking about

507
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recruitment you have to

508
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:38,640
where the numbers have gone down you

509
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,320
know one time we staffed the department

510
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,520
within excess of the think of 150

511
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,679
people today we have

512
00:28:45,679 --> 00:28:48,240
budgeted 117 firefighters from the

513
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,799
command staff

514
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:52,960
we're normally looking for

515
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:53,840
three

516
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,559
four five people a year

517
00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:59,200
to fill the slot so it's not necessarily

518
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,440
quantity it's quality and matching up

519
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,919
those individuals who have the interest

520
00:29:03,919 --> 00:29:06,480
and the skill set to do the job

521
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,480
uh because at covet and other things

522
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,240
where we put a hiring freeze i think

523
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,200
we're down now nine

524
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,919
firefighters we're down right now by

525
00:29:15,919 --> 00:29:19,430
the end of january

526
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,200
some retirements have been coming out so

527
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,919
it's a little bit unusual now

528
00:29:23,919 --> 00:29:24,720
but

529
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,679
it's to again reach out and

530
00:29:27,679 --> 00:29:29,600
get people to come in

531
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,520
and

532
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,320
it's how do you identify just the one or

533
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,240
two individuals sometimes the shotgun

534
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,760
where you want 100

535
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,559
is not really what you're looking for somebody that has

536
00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:42,159
that skill set

537
00:29:42,159 --> 00:29:44,960
and schenectady was

538
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,440
the first really to offer a paramedic

539
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,840
program we're right now the first that

540
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,919
is doing some of the

541
00:29:51,919 --> 00:29:53,600
telemedicine

542
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:54,559
so

543
00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:57,200
we're putting more responsibility

544
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:02,630
in doing more and

545
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,080
it's also look at the revenue side

546
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,000
to get reimbursed for some of the work

547
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,440
that we do or some of the stuff that's

548
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,000
not today reimbursable

549
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,640
uh anything we get some

550
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:19,909
als calls advanced life support

551
00:30:19,919 --> 00:30:24,559
the bls calls the basic life support

552
00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:26,000
just under the insurance reimbursement

553
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,440
we don't get anything we're looking now

554
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,240
to leave patients in place

555
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,880
and do other support

556
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,200
diagnostic treatment

557
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:36,799
evaluation

558
00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:39,919
it's how you shift that model for

559
00:30:39,919 --> 00:30:42,080
reimbursement in

560
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,799
improving not only the outcome

561
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:45,919
but

562
00:30:45,919 --> 00:30:48,320
just the convenience of treating people

563
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:49,840
so that they're getting the appropriate

564
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,200
level of care

565
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,880
or they may not need the full suite of

566
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,039
services in an emergency room it may be

567
00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:56,720
an urgent care center

568
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,519
maybe getting it scheduled with a

569
00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:02,399
doctor or some other medical provider in

570
00:31:02,399 --> 00:31:04,960
a reasonable period of time and so

571
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,039
uh you're looking at recruitment it's

572
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:09,200
also where the whole delivery of service

573
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,440
model is starting to shift here in

574
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,480
schenectady is leading in that

575
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,880
and it's a substantial commitment when i

576
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,039
look when i hire a firefighter i'm

577
00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:20,720
making a commitment on behalf of the

578
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,640
city's connection for about three and a

579
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,519
half million almost four million dollars

580
00:31:25,519 --> 00:31:28,799
in today's dollars of what they will pay

581
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:31,039
during their career and retirement

582
00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:37,029
benefits that we provide to them

583
00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:38,960
before you know my my response would be

584
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,240
similar to the military and their

585
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,919
recruitment platforms you would

586
00:31:41,919 --> 00:31:43,279
traditionally go to the high schools

587
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:44,720
that

588
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,559
recruits just to save time and just

589
00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:48,320
economics of scale but what

590
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,600
systematically happened is you would be

591
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:52,559
uh

592
00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:54,799
not appealing to other communities so

593
00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:56,399
just looking at the situation from a

594
00:31:56,399 --> 00:31:57,919
different perspective to ensure that

595
00:31:57,919 --> 00:31:59,440
everyone is given the opportunity

596
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,760
because communication is

597
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,200
dual responsibilities to make sure that

598
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,960
we're doing our part to make sure that

599
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,120
these announcements and opportunities

600
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,440
are afforded to everyone

601
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,640
but i think this type of credit first

602
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,559
oh no i was just i was just kind of

603
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:16,640
gonna figure back on that to say like

604
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,600
you know as we um i'm really proud of

605
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,039
the steps that the city's taking you

606
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:23,440
know and innovative ways of service

607
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,360
delivery i think is something that is

608
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,080
going to be key um moving forward so i

609
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,399
think that that just really uh amplifies

610
00:32:30,399 --> 00:32:32,960
the importance of partnering with

611
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,039
city school district and other

612
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:37,120
educational institutions you know so

613
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,320
we're casting a wider net um at the same

614
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,880
time we are not only maintaining but

615
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,039
really we're increasing you know

616
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:47,519
that uh requirement of skill level skill

617
00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:50,320
set um and we get a larger pool of

618
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:51,919
qualified uh

619
00:32:51,919 --> 00:32:54,399
applicants um to select from and i think

620
00:32:54,399 --> 00:32:56,399
that that just really uh

621
00:32:56,399 --> 00:32:58,640
makes us a stronger safer uh uh

622
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,960
community so again i i commend the

623
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,960
efforts and i really appreciate the

624
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,640
steps that we're taking as a city i

625
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,000
think this is something that we should

626
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,870
continue to do

627
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,720
patrick i just wanted to say as a

628
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,559
closing comment that i think that we're

629
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:14,320
just so fortunate here

630
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,120
in our city and in the county because

631
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,799
obviously we're also out on all those

632
00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:22,000
calls as well and the fact that when our

633
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:22,880
folks

634
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,519
show up and most you know a lot of times

635
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:27,440
it's a medical call

636
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,679
we're going to have all paramedics

637
00:33:29,679 --> 00:33:31,200
that are going to be able to provide

638
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,039
those services those are life-saving

639
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:34,080
services

640
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,200
and at that level as opposed to an emt

641
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,200
which i mean

642
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,640
there's just so many more things that a

643
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,200
paramedic is allowed to do in terms of

644
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,360
administering an iv administering

645
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,279
medication i mean they are really saving

646
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:49,600
lives and we're fortunate for that i

647
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,360
think the telemedicine piece again

648
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,200
you know to be able to have a paramedic

649
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,320
on the other end of that is going to

650
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,640
benefit all of us as well so i

651
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,880
appreciate that we have on the standards

652
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,600
that we have in place and i am

653
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,600
happy to not see any change

654
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,600
in that as we continue to do the kind of

655
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,879
recruiting that we do so i just wanted to commend

656
00:34:10,879 --> 00:34:14,079
you for that and say thank you to all to

657
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:15,679
all of our fire

658
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:17,520
fighters because it really is to our

659
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,599
benefit that we have such a such a

660
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:21,200
highly skilled

661
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,639
uh

662
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:24,000
force

663
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,320
thank you so thank you so much

664
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:27,760
can i just ask a question though because

665
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,520
you said the paramedics i thought don't

666
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,829
we have doctors on the other end with

667
00:34:32,839 --> 00:34:34,800
televisions well

668
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,399
paramedics are in the field right but

669
00:34:36,399 --> 00:34:37,679
the doctor is the guy answering the

670
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:40,240
questions that wherever he is okay uh

671
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:42,560
depending on the fact pattern the call

672
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,399
yes oh i'm sorry

673
00:34:44,399 --> 00:34:46,839
i just wanted that our folks were taking

674
00:34:46,839 --> 00:34:50,320
those so i think the mayor said our

675
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,119
paramedics work with the doctor

676
00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:56,399
on the uh on the other side of you guys

677
00:34:56,399 --> 00:34:59,599
gotcha and they want paramedics

678
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:00,839
on our side

679
00:35:00,839 --> 00:35:02,560
um

680
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,880
training level schooling in emt is

681
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,800
approximately eight weeks

682
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,119
and a paramedic is very

683
00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:12,560
close to here yeah so

684
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,440
it's night and day yeah

685
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,320
and if i may say one more thing

686
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,270
um

687
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,520
every solution

688
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,640
creates other challenges

689
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,079
so we've had some really good

690
00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:30,480
conversation we've talked about that

691
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,440
there's no one panacea to this

692
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,839
there's a lot of ways chief likes to say

693
00:35:35,839 --> 00:35:37,200
we know we're here

694
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,720
here's where we want to go how are we

695
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:40,960
doing

696
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,800
the challenge

697
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,640
i guess i'm just imposing our i want to

698
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,200
just reiterate for anyone to to be clear

699
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,200
that in no way are you looking to lower

700
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,150
up here

701
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:55,920
this is one of our you know strong

702
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,920
points of the community that we want to

703
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,880
build on um so it's quite the opposite

704
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,640
of that so i just want to make sure that

705
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,400
we're all clear to understanding that

706
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,160
it's it's a right to point to we know

707
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,000
where we're at we know where we want to

708
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,440
get and where we want to get there's not

709
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,480
include a lower standard of care it

710
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,400
includes a higher standard of care and

711
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:15,599
so how do we get that and that's where

712
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:16,960
the direction of the conversation

713
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,440
involved so thank you for your time well

714
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,800
thank you thank you thank you um so

715
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,079
motion what's up

716
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:36,470
here

717
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,560
right uh if i can get a motion to

718
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:52,950
redress

719
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,160
of this question to come forward the

720
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,359
committee

721
00:36:55,359 --> 00:36:56,720
motion to

722
00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:59,040
if i can emotionally adjourn seconds

723
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,040
second almost in favor

724
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:05,510
and we are trying to thank you

725
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,119
all for the finance committee on the

726
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:09,680
force item is a 20 22 hot emergency

727
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,079
solution grant for the 90

728
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:14,480
players of new york king

729
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:21,990
that's kristen died

730
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,560
um this request is in relation to our

731
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,720
emergency solutions grant that was

732
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:28,800
awarded through the cares act as part of

733
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,960
the coronavirus pandemic

734
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,000
um

735
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,720
uh you know the cares act so this this

736
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:37,599
request is coming from the ywca

737
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:40,240
and they are looking to

738
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:42,079
basically just remove funding from what

739
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:44,000
was allocated so originally when this

740
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,320
was allocated it was kind of speculation

741
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:47,760
on what was going to be the highest need

742
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,520
so they've seen an increase in need for

743
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,440
emergency shelter here

744
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,680
and so the request is basically to move

745
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,440
forty thousand dollars

746
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,400
um to the emergency shelter line from

747
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,400
the rapid rehousing line

748
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:01,599
um

749
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:03,280
and so we are just requesting a

750
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,400
resolution accepting this change

751
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,400
to

752
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,150
the funding to emergency shelter

753
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,079
any questions

754
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:17,190
come in

755
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,359
we have a motion

756
00:38:19,359 --> 00:38:23,280
second one second all a favor all right

757
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,520
the next item you are requesting

758
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:30,470
um

759
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,720
okay thank you the next item is

760
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:34,480
authorizing the mail for answering to an

761
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,480
agreement with saratoga associate for

762
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,160
design service

763
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,680
related to the construction of the new

764
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,119
pool at central park using our perform

765
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:44,800
mr mayor

766
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,119
thank you mr chairman uh

767
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:50,000
general discussions on this uh swimming

768
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,359
pool this would be to retain

769
00:38:53,359 --> 00:38:55,280
saratoga associates

770
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,839
and have uh

771
00:38:57,839 --> 00:39:00,800
aquatica who did a presentation function

772
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:01,839
as a

773
00:39:01,839 --> 00:39:04,160
subcontractor

774
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,800
with the architectural firms to start to

775
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,320
do

776
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,000
the design work and preliminary layout

777
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,079
for the pool this would include

778
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:15,920
community engagement

779
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,040
uh some of the other uh

780
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,560
ancillary

781
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,040
potential projects that may

782
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,960
happen

783
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,960
with the a diamond

784
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,000
with uh tennis courts

785
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,079
and uh i don't know chris or any other

786
00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:35,359
things that would be in the scope of the

787
00:39:35,359 --> 00:39:37,040
works

788
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,960
yeah we're looking at

789
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,079
access

790
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:44,000
parking pass uh particles yeah

791
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,320
it's it's it's not just the uh the scope

792
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,240
of work is not limited to the pool

793
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:51,920
itself um this is in cooperation with

794
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,400
the our application that was submitted

795
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,400
by myself and the mayor

796
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,280
for not only the pool but the ancillary

797
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,079
features that would uh would help pool

798
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:04,240
better acclimate to the park into the

799
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:07,119
surrounding areas of the community so

800
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:09,040
that is why it's just uh where the

801
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:10,960
presentation was you know the pool

802
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,400
itself we had an estimate of three

803
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,800
million dollars however when we wanted

804
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,560
to really bring it into everything else

805
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,480
the cost was closer to a determining

806
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,040
cost of five hence the fee was based off

807
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:30,470
of that desire of

808
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,079
is this 450 part of the 5.5 yes

809
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:35,440
okay and that's

810
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:41,430
forfeit this point not to exceed so

811
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,680
they would do the community outreach

812
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,359
design workup so that those numbers are

813
00:40:47,359 --> 00:40:50,870
kind of vague at this point

814
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,400
just this will enable us to have a

815
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,640
firmer

816
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,720
estimate in terms of what the cost would

817
00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:58,560
be in the scope of the work for the

818
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,480
actual project or

819
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,880
getting the ancillary undertakings that

820
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,200
we may decide to do

821
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,400
so aquatica is acting as a sub

822
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,309
contractor for design

823
00:41:12,319 --> 00:41:15,839
specialization on the uh

824
00:41:15,839 --> 00:41:18,240
swimming pools oh sorry associated

825
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:21,490
design will be

826
00:41:21,490 --> 00:41:29,670
[Music]

827
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,520
all the code requirements any features

828
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:32,480
that are

829
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,280
interior to the pool walls so to speak

830
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,760
but once you would get out of the pool

831
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,599
out onto either like the concrete

832
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:41,680
surface or the area that would still be

833
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,599
within the fence that's where the

834
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:45,920
serotonin associates would take off with

835
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,240
a landscape design and the site design

836
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:50,720
of it so the two of them will be working

837
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:52,960
just like this because you know

838
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,640
the pool is something the pump house

839
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,160
there's a lot of components there's a

840
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,480
service associates would do the bath

841
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,880
house that's not a pool portion that's a

842
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,880
norman architecture portion and then how

843
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,359
it integrates with the tennis facilities

844
00:42:05,359 --> 00:42:07,520
the rose the fair and the parking hockey

845
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,000
agent and all that that's stereotype

846
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,280
associates for the black cup they have a

847
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,520
substance also be in here there's also a

848
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,359
need to have a survey that's another

849
00:42:17,359 --> 00:42:22,560
sub-consultant fee so this is a it's a it's a layered project that would

850
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,400
have several different people working on it

851
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,160
and this is like the mayor said to get

852
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,720
moving on the first part is what you saw

853
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:33,119
everything that you saw was a high-level

854
00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:35,280
concept so that we could show you what

855
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:36,240
there is

856
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:38,480
possible however we really don't know

857
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:39,520
what

858
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,359
we would like to do until we sit down

859
00:42:41,359 --> 00:42:43,920
and talk about sizing and programming

860
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,599
and really the space of what we what

861
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:49,119
we'd like to finally see

862
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:51,280
is this going to be a design build

863
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,599
with saratoga associates on the

864
00:42:53,599 --> 00:42:54,880
iphone

865
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,359
this would be a design build not a

866
00:42:57,359 --> 00:42:58,720
design better than traditional sense of

867
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:01,040
what it is that we would design it and

868
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,800
then we would fit it

869
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,680
so we are but that's the next thing this

870
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,680
is getting that jump start on getting

871
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,319
designed because if if everything goes

872
00:43:10,319 --> 00:43:12,000
through the applications and the

873
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,319
schedule is as we talked about that the

874
00:43:14,319 --> 00:43:16,240
goal would be to have

875
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:18,800
some of this ready in the ground for the

876
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,319
end of this year so that it can be

877
00:43:20,319 --> 00:43:21,920
wrapped up at the latter part of the

878
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,040
early part of 2023 for possible use in

879
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,839
2023 um so that's why

880
00:43:27,839 --> 00:43:29,680
the mayor elected to get this ahead so

881
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:36,230
that we don't lose that time

882
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:52,550
so with respect to the 450 service fee

883
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,000
with respect to the 450 000 uh service

884
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,119
fee uh can you speak to mr wong or

885
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:01,520
american carpet how this entity was

886
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,560
selected and then if other bids were

887
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,000
taken into consideration because there's

888
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,599
no way with this is one estimate to

889
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:09,200
understand that they're

890
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,520
being asked too high or too low

891
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,920
sure uh this is a professional service

892
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,920
the state typically does not

893
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,480
bid professional services so for this

894
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,319
particular service what the city usually

895
00:44:20,319 --> 00:44:23,200
does under engineering is

896
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,560
i put out what we call term agreements

897
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,319
i have a term agreements with a

898
00:44:28,319 --> 00:44:30,079
multitude of firms

899
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:32,640
each firm is pre-selected so right now

900
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,480
i'm working with mr holden in the

901
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,160
mayor's office i have term agreements

902
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,400
with approximately nine firms that are

903
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,000
pre-selected we have

904
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,640
two architects traditional we have three

905
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,319
civil engineers we have two landscape

906
00:44:44,319 --> 00:44:45,760
architects and i have a mechanical

907
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:46,640
market

908
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,560
those firms are all working with me to

909
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,400
supplement my staff or lack thereof

910
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,160
to get the work done that i need to get

911
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:55,839
done here

912
00:44:55,839 --> 00:44:58,319
so when this project was presented we

913
00:44:58,319 --> 00:45:00,400
wanted to find a specialty

914
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,880
pools are very special there are not a

915
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,040
lot of pool contractors so the mayor

916
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,640
asked me to reach out we reached out to

917
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,960
aquatica who had done some surveys of

918
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,119
our existing pools in the past and we

919
00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:12,400
brought them in

920
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,960
uh aquatic met with the mayor myself and

921
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,599
our staff and they said listen we are

922
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:20,480
ready and available to do this work

923
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,480
as a professional service for the pool

924
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:23,920
design however

925
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,079
they said that you know we do the pool

926
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:28,400
we do not do the ancillary

927
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,400
so then i started looking at the best

928
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,560
fit for doing the ancillary work

929
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,800
saratoga associates we've engaged them

930
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,640
already previously under a previous

931
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,680
contract the contract was for central

932
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,960
park way finding parking signage and

933
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,560
pass

934
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,240
that project we worked on with the

935
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:48,640
mayor's office uh chris vanzano who was

936
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,560
here and we actually have a report

937
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,079
that's already done with some

938
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:53,920
recommended features i don't know if

939
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,280
you've seen it before but had some fair

940
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,760
acting parking some paths

941
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,440
and the reason that that project kind of

942
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,079
ran up was it done right before covent

943
00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:04,560
which is difficult and it was done with

944
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,400
a funding issue which was how do we

945
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:07,760
actually build it there was a lot of

946
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,680
discussion about how to do it but it

947
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,440
wasn't a priority with everything that's

948
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,680
going on so now in this to circle back

949
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,920
to this project when we got to here it

950
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,319
was they were kind of a natural fit to

951
00:46:18,319 --> 00:46:20,079
bring in so that we weren't redoing

952
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:21,359
things because we're talking about a

953
00:46:21,359 --> 00:46:23,119
location that's central to fair avenue

954
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:24,400
central to the a diamond where we

955
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:25,599
already had them

956
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:27,599
and their skill set

957
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:29,440
already being for this kind of thing and

958
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,599
we already had them on a term agreement

959
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:34,160
so that's how we brought them in but to

960
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,079
your point you're exactly right

961
00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:38,880
we do not have this bid

962
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,960
a typical thing that we do is when it

963
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,119
comes to that to design services and

964
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:45,599
this we use the rule of ten percent

965
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:47,599
so when i put in the arpa application it

966
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:49,440
was we know that we wanted around five

967
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:50,960
million dollars based off of estimates

968
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:51,839
10

969
00:46:51,839 --> 00:46:54,319
the most usually see is 500 i talked

970
00:46:54,319 --> 00:46:55,599
with them we worked out you know they

971
00:46:55,599 --> 00:46:57,200
said do you want us to do the survey do

972
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:58,800
you want us to do this and said i said

973
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,160
you have to do it all i don't have time

974
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,079
to subcontract yourself

975
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:03,839
so then we talked about when we came to

976
00:47:03,839 --> 00:47:06,400
this fee of 450 000 which is slightly

977
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:07,760
less than the 10

978
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,040
and that's i mean honestly you're here

979
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,240
you're going to get that fee right

980
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:14,800
around there regardless um that's kind

981
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,040
of where that is uh aquatica is in there

982
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,520
aquatica's fee was roughly 80 000 for

983
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,520
the pool because the pool was a lesser

984
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,599
cost and their design is less

985
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:24,480
so

986
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,000
and that's usually how we work with

987
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,920
professional services because to do

988
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,359
everything with a bid for the

989
00:47:29,359 --> 00:47:31,920
professional services we would quadruple

990
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,680
my my workload

991
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,680
so just to bring it up that's how we are

992
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,599
and like i said i do have that service

993
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:40,160
list and it's a three-year contract

994
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,000
uh that we do with the professional

995
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,880
services issues and the supplemental um

996
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,160
and then we have a whole different thing

997
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:47,839
which you see which is federal or state

998
00:47:47,839 --> 00:47:49,359
which we follow different requirements

999
00:47:49,359 --> 00:47:57,670
other than our own

1000
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,200
i put in a lot of time in working with

1001
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:00,880
andrew and the mayor's office to to

1002
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,640
really get to this so that we're we're

1003
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:18,950
above board with everything that we do

1004
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,640
my following question to understanding

1005
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:21,920
more that the services that they're

1006
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,160
providing are with the pool was that

1007
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,549
correct

1008
00:48:26,559 --> 00:48:27,920
with the pool

1009
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,200
and hillary clinton and and so that's one of the things i just wanted

1010
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,160
to make sure

1011
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,480
this is not just a hole in the ground

1012
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,480
we're talking about the pool it's going

1013
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,319
to have utility servicing that might not

1014
00:48:38,319 --> 00:48:40,160
service it already we're talking about a

1015
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,160
pump house a separate building because

1016
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:43,440
that's kind of one of the layouts that

1017
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,040
we had thought about

1018
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,359
a bath house that's a considerable size

1019
00:48:47,359 --> 00:48:48,559
compared to what we don't have a

1020
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:51,440
bathhouse now um ancillary concrete

1021
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,200
around the area to service it concrete

1022
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,359
as you know is expensive there were

1023
00:48:55,359 --> 00:48:57,359
parking lighting

1024
00:48:57,359 --> 00:48:59,119
possible cameras you know some of the

1025
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:01,040
things that we're looking at access past

1026
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,400
so all of that design um so that's where

1027
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,000
we're segmenting it but there are a lot

1028
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,520
of components that are going to go into

1029
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,839
there and then as part of this if it

1030
00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:12,400
once again as part of the discussion i

1031
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,880
would like to roll into that ancillary

1032
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,480
cost outside of the pool

1033
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:17,839
some of the work that we've already done

1034
00:49:17,839 --> 00:49:20,640
which is way finding signage you know

1035
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,240
where you come into fair avenue how to

1036
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:23,920
get to the pool how to get to parking

1037
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,359
where music is because we've already

1038
00:49:25,359 --> 00:49:27,440
done that work and i think it really

1039
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,119
blends itself in nicely to have that

1040
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:30,800
done at the same time

1041
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,280
um so yeah and everything's going to

1042
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:34,800
we'll discuss it as a group once we have

1043
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,880
a committee everything comes to bid you

1044
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,559
guys are welcome to see any of the plans

1045
00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:42,640
that we develop and this is a new thing for myself it's a new thing

1046
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,960
for you know this group the city has not

1047
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,240
built the pool in quite a while

1048
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:50,880
so we're looking forward to it

1049
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,559
but it is it is specialized and uh

1050
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:57,760
yeah i don't have much to say about it i

1051
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,520
think we're going down the right back so

1052
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:03,359
seeking clarification were these uh

1053
00:50:03,359 --> 00:50:06,000
resources taken into consideration other

1054
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,760
pools that are in the city i would say

1055
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,760
that because we received a

1056
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:10,480
uh

1057
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,119
not a complaint but but an email from a

1058
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:15,280
local resident just asking for us to

1059
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:16,400
evaluate

1060
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,800
another local pool resource and i'd just

1061
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,800
like to know if it's appropriate to

1062
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,480
potentially extend

1063
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:23,359
this

1064
00:50:23,359 --> 00:50:24,400
initial

1065
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,079
investment opportunity to include other

1066
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:27,359
areas of the city so that we're not

1067
00:50:27,359 --> 00:50:29,440
duplicating expenses and resources

1068
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,760
entirely if that's us

1069
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,200
defensively

1070
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:34,160
this

1071
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,160
is moving forward though because of

1072
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,480
issues that we have with the current

1073
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,359
pool in the central park

1074
00:50:41,359 --> 00:50:43,839
uh with the county department of health

1075
00:50:43,839 --> 00:50:45,599
where it doesn't meet the current

1076
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:46,800
standards

1077
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,599
so that if we don't move forward in some

1078
00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:51,359
manner show them good faith we're

1079
00:50:51,359 --> 00:50:54,079
looking to correct that

1080
00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:56,640
is possibly just get shut down and

1081
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,800
wouldn't be able to use it at all

1082
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,950
the other pools in the city

1083
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:04,319
have

1084
00:51:04,319 --> 00:51:07,280
and we put splash pad woodlawn

1085
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,040
front street

1086
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,880
you have to look at each one in terms of

1087
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,559
what the needs are

1088
00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:13,359
and

1089
00:51:13,359 --> 00:51:15,839
this again would use more as an example

1090
00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:18,400
of what we can do or can't do and then

1091
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,119
roll it into other projects

1092
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:22,960
is we're going through the not only the

1093
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:23,920
arba

1094
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,079
process but capital projects that we

1095
00:51:26,079 --> 00:51:28,480
would look to entertain

1096
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,280
this year next year and a year down the

1097
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:32,319
road

1098
00:51:32,319 --> 00:51:34,800
if you want my honest unsolicited

1099
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,640
opinion without bouncing it off everyone

1100
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,119
else uh to that end to what you're

1101
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:41,920
discussing i think it's a it's a great

1102
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,400
uh path to go down but i would recommend

1103
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,319
that either you know the the health and

1104
00:51:46,319 --> 00:51:48,640
recreation committee become involved

1105
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,480
with also the parks and rec committee we

1106
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,000
have the budget that we're bringing on a

1107
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,359
parks director

1108
00:51:53,359 --> 00:51:55,440
and that yourselves and the two

1109
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:56,640
committees

1110
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,160
work towards

1111
00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:59,040
june

1112
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,480
when we do the budget for 2023 because i

1113
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:03,839
think that what you're going to find is

1114
00:52:03,839 --> 00:52:05,520
when you go down the avenue of looking

1115
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,200
at the other pools

1116
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:08,960
it's going to it's going to blossom into

1117
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,200
a larger task than we think that for

1118
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:12,880
this you know this is a i think trying

1119
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,359
to keep it singularly focused

1120
00:52:15,359 --> 00:52:17,200
and on trying to get these deadlines so

1121
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,200
that we can get the pool designed and

1122
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,520
out and ready and then meet with those

1123
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,240
groups and reinstate them so that we can

1124
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:25,920
focus a little bit better i mean we find

1125
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,839
a need that we could you know attack it

1126
00:52:27,839 --> 00:52:29,280
with more of the capital budget the

1127
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:30,800
mayor saying these are

1128
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,800
the front street pool you know that pool

1129
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,559
we have discussions with development

1130
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:36,400
about other other things in that area we

1131
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,480
have you know hillary's pool we have we

1132
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,079
have some pools and they all have needs

1133
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:42,160
and i think if we start you're going to

1134
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,319
see these costs just skyrocketing you're

1135
00:52:44,319 --> 00:52:46,800
going to realize

1136
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,960
we're not ready to take all of that on i

1137
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:49,920
think

1138
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,000
this is the focus on this one i think is

1139
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:52,880
a

1140
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:57,589
worthy endeavor on its own

1141
00:52:57,599 --> 00:52:59,520
just a quick question tell me a little

1142
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:00,720
bit more about the deadlines you're

1143
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:01,760
speaking of

1144
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,280
trying to get this done

1145
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,359
yeah um i mean these are all

1146
00:53:05,359 --> 00:53:07,160
i guess at the time they're they're

1147
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:08,480
[Music]

1148
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,480
superficial deadlines but we're really

1149
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,119
trying to as you know we work backwards

1150
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:14,160
so one of the things that we're going to

1151
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:15,760
be once we engage with saratoga

1152
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,800
associates in aquatic officially is uh

1153
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,920
we always work backwards so it is when

1154
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,079
do we need to have this awarded by and

1155
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:25,920
then you know you subtract the months

1156
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,760
for council you subtract the month for

1157
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,000
bidding you know so if we needed to have

1158
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,160
someone in the ground let's say in

1159
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:33,680
october let's say we wanted to have

1160
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,920
someone there october 1st to dig a hole

1161
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,520
and that's probably too late so you say

1162
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,440
september that means we're bidding in

1163
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:40,400
august

1164
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,720
and if we're or we're bringing it to you

1165
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:44,160
in august so if we're bringing it to you

1166
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,680
in august we're bidding it in july

1167
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,280
and that if we're bidding in july that

1168
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,440
means we have to have the design done by

1169
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:52,640
mid-june

1170
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,960
and it's january so that means that we

1171
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,520
really have february march april

1172
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:58,880
to get this done to get all the

1173
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,640
community involved to get the buy-in and

1174
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,119
get it designed so our window gets it's

1175
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:04,480
very small

1176
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,400
um so that's how we usually work back

1177
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,319
because you know we're a government we

1178
00:54:08,319 --> 00:54:10,240
have a bureaucracy to follow you know

1179
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:12,400
and that's if everything goes well

1180
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:13,680
one of the things we started to do was

1181
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,839
really delay things so that myself and

1182
00:54:15,839 --> 00:54:18,160
aaron and ron we could all review and

1183
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:19,920
sit down and that's actually why we

1184
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,920
started to delay certain things just to

1185
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,119
make sure that we have everything so

1186
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:26,160
we're doing one time and not twice back

1187
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:26,960
so

1188
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:27,760
you know

1189
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,440
it sounds like to have something ready

1190
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,079
in september is september but when you

1191
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:34,079
work backwards you have to be ready to

1192
00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:36,079
go june 1st i would say with design

1193
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:53,270
documents

1194
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:54,559
uh

1195
00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:56,000
imagine you're going to ask for a motion

1196
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,000
my only reservation is just making sure

1197
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,520
appropriate considerations are made

1198
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,440
towards the other pools i would only

1199
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,599
hope that time was built for this to be

1200
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:06,000
delayed another two weeks just to allow

1201
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,920
and i can accept bonus for that just

1202
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,760
ensuring that individuals that voted for

1203
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,040
me uh

1204
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,040
understand that i ran on a campaign and

1205
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,880
just making sure that information was

1206
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,480
provided to the members of the community

1207
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,119
and i took the time to actually delve in

1208
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:21,119
make sure that when i did

1209
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:23,359
move this forward or second this i did

1210
00:55:23,359 --> 00:55:24,720
that with every

1211
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:27,119
consideration and support of this so

1212
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:28,160
with that

1213
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,400
i would just like to hold off to allow

1214
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:37,829
me the opportunity to do some research

1215
00:55:37,839 --> 00:55:39,359
so you're asking for us to hold off on

1216
00:55:39,359 --> 00:55:44,190
this until here at least two weeks

1217
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:49,430
[Music]

1218
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,599
if i can speak to that i i clearly

1219
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:52,880
understand what you're saying and um

1220
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,040
perhaps you are coming at this meeting

1221
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,319
but given the timeline that um

1222
00:55:58,319 --> 00:56:00,720
mr walden has given us in addition to

1223
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:02,799
that we can't we can't do what you're

1224
00:56:02,799 --> 00:56:05,200
asking and have people be part of this

1225
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:06,799
is what i'm understanding

1226
00:56:06,799 --> 00:56:08,640
the so the front street

1227
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,119
whatever pool is uh if we need to look

1228
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:12,640
at that it wouldn't we would not be able

1229
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,880
to look at it apart at as part of this

1230
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,680
just because of what it would entail i'm

1231
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,760
not going to tell the council or the

1232
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,319
mayor what you can or cannot do what i

1233
00:56:22,319 --> 00:56:24,000
what i'm saying is that an arpan

1234
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,480
application was submitted

1235
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:27,839
by the deadline

1236
00:56:27,839 --> 00:56:30,240
for an amount of money and at the

1237
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:32,799
mayor's request we wanted to

1238
00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:34,880
you know accelerate the design portion

1239
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,880
of that ahead of the process that you

1240
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,960
will be going through so that we could

1241
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,440
potentially meet these deadlines

1242
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,599
i did not have it on my my agenda or my

1243
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:45,760
radar to do the other pools

1244
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,599
which it's perfectly fine if someone

1245
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:50,079
wants i just it's a separate

1246
00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:52,319
project it's a whole separate

1247
00:56:52,319 --> 00:56:54,400
idea and in the front street pool in

1248
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,040
particular gets into

1249
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,920
a lot of larger conversations because of

1250
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:01,760
a fema project that we have going on

1251
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,359
down there and some of the other things

1252
00:57:03,359 --> 00:57:05,119
that we've talked about so i'm just

1253
00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:07,440
trying to make sure that we're not

1254
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,359
muddying waters with things that help my

1255
00:57:09,359 --> 00:57:11,280
mass broke but without the things that

1256
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:12,480
we're talking about and holding

1257
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,319
something up because of that but i

1258
00:57:14,319 --> 00:57:15,680
understand if you made a commitment to

1259
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,000
it that that's perfectly fine i just

1260
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,799
especially the front street pool

1261
00:57:20,799 --> 00:57:22,079
it's it's a complicated it's a

1262
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:23,280
complicated situation with that

1263
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,520
particular pool

1264
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,839
no please go ahead my only consideration

1265
00:57:27,839 --> 00:57:28,960
is we already have a company that's

1266
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:30,880
doing assessments

1267
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,799
wouldn't it be prudent upon us to make

1268
00:57:32,799 --> 00:57:34,000
or give assessments for other

1269
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:35,520
individuals not saying that we're going

1270
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,680
to take a step and move forward we'd

1271
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,240
have those figures just for assessments

1272
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:41,200
so

1273
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,200
to bring aquatica on ask them because

1274
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:44,880
they've done this once before but it was

1275
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,040
about 10 years ago to have them to come

1276
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,359
in and do uh new assessments for the

1277
00:57:49,359 --> 00:57:51,119
other three pools right that's what i

1278
00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:52,240
know that's what i'm delaying the

1279
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,880
considerations on scene

1280
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,960
well if you want i'll have them go out

1281
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:58,400
and look at

1282
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,559
what a ballpark figure would be to do

1283
00:58:00,559 --> 00:58:02,240
those and come back

1284
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,640
in two weeks but this would still move

1285
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:08,630
as a separate project

1286
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,559
is that something that

1287
00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:12,240
you want to see happen

1288
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:13,760
so you're telling me putting out two

1289
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,240
weeks is going to entirely derail the

1290
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:20,069
entire project

1291
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:24,069
i don't want i don't want to

1292
00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:25,119
no

1293
00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:27,920
but what i'm understanding is that this

1294
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:29,119
project would still move forward but

1295
00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:30,480
what you're asking was still happening

1296
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,160
as well okay all right

1297
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:33,920
is that what you're saying but i'm not

1298
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,880
gonna go to them and have them

1299
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,359
this project right define the scope and

1300
00:58:39,359 --> 00:58:40,799
works if you want the other ones

1301
00:58:40,799 --> 00:58:43,440
evaluated i'll commence get a price on

1302
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,520
that and come back to you in two weeks

1303
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,119
and this one is still going to move

1304
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:48,240
forward

1305
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:52,160
as a separate project and this is not

1306
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:53,839
again has been outlined it's not a

1307
00:58:53,839 --> 00:58:56,160
simple it's not just a swimming pool

1308
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:57,920
because there's going to be work done in

1309
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,000
conjunction with the a diamond with the

1310
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,520
parking lot

1311
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:02,319
the

1312
00:59:02,319 --> 00:59:04,960
bath house will service the needs for

1313
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,119
the work that we've done at the tennis

1314
00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:08,079
courts

1315
00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:10,400
and then looking at putting some stadium

1316
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,200
seating another the tennis courts on the

1317
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,839
back because we're eliminating the

1318
00:59:15,839 --> 00:59:18,559
tennis stadium for the site for this

1319
00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:19,440
pool

1320
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,000
and there's some modifications for the

1321
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,000
disc golf course

1322
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,440
that plays

1323
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:31,030
through the park

1324
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:32,960
want us to probably understanding that

1325
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,119
um in two weeks we'll have a price

1326
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:39,359
analysis on the cost to fix repair

1327
00:59:39,359 --> 00:59:42,870
well i don't know

1328
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,160
the ability to go out and do the

1329
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,319
evaluation i don't know if we would have

1330
00:59:46,319 --> 00:59:48,789
all the

1331
00:59:48,799 --> 00:59:50,160
scope works

1332
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,440
in the detail of analysis in two weeks

1333
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:54,160
where

1334
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:55,760
yeah it's uh

1335
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:57,599
it's hard to do some of it

1336
00:59:57,599 --> 00:59:59,359
now where there's frost in the ground

1337
00:59:59,359 --> 01:00:02,720
and other things are shut down

1338
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,680
goodness so so i just for

1339
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,520
my own clarity here so

1340
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,280
we're not suggesting that um in two

1341
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,040
weeks time

1342
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,040
that all of the other

1343
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,160
uh tools are assessed i think or you say

1344
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:17,839
like in two weeks time

1345
01:00:17,839 --> 01:00:18,960
to uh

1346
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,440
get a commitment or understanding with

1347
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,359
uh

1348
01:00:23,359 --> 01:00:25,440
to see if they have the capacity and the

1349
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:29,200
ability to to do it well come back and

1350
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,359
have them give us a price because we've

1351
01:00:31,359 --> 01:00:33,359
asked him to do this evaluation so come

1352
01:00:33,359 --> 01:00:34,640
back and say

1353
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,119
is that going to be

1354
01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:39,440
uh ten thousand dollars is it going to

1355
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:40,160
be

1356
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:44,559
20 000. whatever it is to go through

1357
01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:47,520
and look at those as they have started

1358
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,680
the process on

1359
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,520
the woman's central park

1360
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:52,880
and we'd be dealing directly with

1361
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,359
aquatic for for that type of evaluation

1362
01:00:55,359 --> 01:00:57,920
that would not be uh saratoga associates

1363
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,480
so we would have

1364
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:01,760
because we're talking about specifically

1365
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:02,799
the pools

1366
01:01:02,799 --> 01:01:04,880
and what might the cost of that be

1367
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,119
for the evaluation yeah anything can

1368
01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:09,920
come along i think the mayor was and the

1369
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:11,680
mayor was fairly accurate um you know we

1370
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,000
had them look at the central park pool

1371
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,160
um it does not take them long to look at

1372
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,400
the deficiencies they they check pumps

1373
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:19,839
and encode

1374
01:01:19,839 --> 01:01:20,559
so

1375
01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:22,640
i i don't think it would be a huge

1376
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,400
number i think under 20 000 would be

1377
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,000
totally reasonable for we're just know

1378
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,680
about three pools central park we've

1379
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:29,280
already kind of looked at

1380
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,359
and i wouldn't be surprised if it's it's

1381
01:01:31,359 --> 01:01:32,480
under that

1382
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:33,920
quite a bit but would you like to have i

1383
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:35,680
can get a proposal they're a small

1384
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:40,069
outfit that's locally

1385
01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:41,040
um

1386
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:42,400
i think if we're going to do it though

1387
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,720
we should include you know those places

1388
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:49,190
that have um the uh

1389
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,040
the splash pads because i think splash

1390
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,200
pads are a great alternative

1391
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:54,960
as well so i mean this is this is sort

1392
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,680
of a longer term evaluation

1393
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,000
i'm just saying no i mean i think

1394
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,559
opportunities for you know

1395
01:02:02,559 --> 01:02:04,640
i think the second thing because correct

1396
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,720
me that aquatic use is a term water

1397
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,039
features right so it could be a swimming

1398
01:02:09,039 --> 01:02:10,960
pool it could be

1399
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,520
a slide that has water on it there's

1400
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,000
things that are

1401
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,319
quite creative

1402
01:02:18,319 --> 01:02:19,680
well i'm just saying i mean rather than

1403
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,240
put pools or you know there might be a

1404
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,319
broader project of getting their

1405
01:02:24,319 --> 01:02:26,480
analysis of what they might because

1406
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:28,960
part of this package is going to do the

1407
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:30,000
outreach

1408
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:31,920
for like working with the boys and girls

1409
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:35,240
club current users neighborhood

1410
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:38,720
associations get the community input in

1411
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,119
terms of

1412
01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:43,280
what people are looking to have at the

1413
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,470
facility

1414
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,990
so that can be done

1415
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,559
we moved a little bit on this

1416
01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:54,240
so we feel comfortable with what's

1417
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,240
before us but we have to go back and get

1418
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:57,680
other numbers

1419
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:58,480
and

1420
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,400
better define a scope of works whether

1421
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,400
it's just the other swimming pools

1422
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:03,920
whether you would look at other places

1423
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:05,280
where we put

1424
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,799
or evaluate uh potential either what's

1425
01:03:08,799 --> 01:03:10,880
there now or potentially place water

1426
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:12,250
features

1427
01:03:12,250 --> 01:03:14,079
[Music]

1428
01:03:14,079 --> 01:03:15,839
okay just for clarification my attention

1429
01:03:15,839 --> 01:03:17,760
was just to see if we could maximize and

1430
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:19,119
see if there were other abilities to

1431
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:21,039
just benefit from the entire city but i

1432
01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:22,480
completely understand thank you for all

1433
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,640
the input

1434
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,799
um so i can make a motion to

1435
01:03:26,799 --> 01:03:29,200
program sorry you know go ahead go ahead

1436
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:30,640
yeah if you're comfortable with let's

1437
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:32,160
move over to

1438
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:33,599
the understanding that these things are

1439
01:03:33,599 --> 01:03:34,960
going to be happening in the next couple

1440
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,039
of weeks and i say

1441
01:03:37,039 --> 01:03:39,760
two weeks it's uh actually because of

1442
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:40,720
the

1443
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,280
when the fifth monday it would come back

1444
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:47,510
to the council in three weeks

1445
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:48,600
i'll leave it

1446
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:50,000
[Music]

1447
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,559
have a second second all in favor

1448
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:53,920
aye

1449
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,160
thank you thank you

1450
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,240
the next item is the 2022 contest

1451
01:03:58,240 --> 01:03:59,680
reappropriation

1452
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:01,680
that's the ferrari

1453
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:02,799
and you're going to stay there for a

1454
01:04:02,799 --> 01:04:05,910
while

1455
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,000
for president council in there

1456
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,119
um the first thing on agenda is a 2022

1457
01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:13,839
budget uh reincorporation and what we're

1458
01:04:13,839 --> 01:04:18,069
requesting here is uh because of the

1459
01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:21,039
time to manufacture products in the 2022

1460
01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:23,520
capital project we have uh

1461
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,240
requested four garbage structure packers

1462
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,720
and uh street sweepers where they have

1463
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:30,640
estimated the manufacturing of these to

1464
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:34,079
be of 18 months or longer now usually

1465
01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:35,680
what we do is

1466
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:36,400
we

1467
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:37,680
go out to

1468
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,960
fund these projects uh through the uh

1469
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,039
through uh of bans or bonding by

1470
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:44,960
anticipation though and usually that

1471
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:46,559
doesn't happen to me

1472
01:04:46,559 --> 01:04:49,280
what we're asking is to uh to speed this

1473
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,839
up by moving money to our appropriate

1474
01:04:51,839 --> 01:04:54,319
fund balance to cover that up until we

1475
01:04:54,319 --> 01:04:56,640
borrow the money in may so we can order

1476
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,799
these trucks now so that we'll get them

1477
01:04:58,799 --> 01:05:00,960
in sometime in 2023

1478
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:02,400
and if we wait to make we probably won't

1479
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,480
get into these trucks till 2024. so

1480
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:05,920
we're just asking

1481
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,119
us to up until may to move money from

1482
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:11,440
our front balance into the

1483
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:12,880
uh the budget

1484
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:14,720
of you know transfer to other funds so

1485
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,839
we can uh start the process of uh

1486
01:05:17,839 --> 01:05:20,720
ordering these uh five vehicles four

1487
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,100
garbage trucks and a street sweeper

1488
01:05:23,100 --> 01:05:26,789
[Music]

1489
01:05:26,799 --> 01:05:29,200
we can't spend money unless it's been

1490
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:30,799
budgeted

1491
01:05:30,799 --> 01:05:32,480
and

1492
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:33,359
the

1493
01:05:33,359 --> 01:05:35,039
normal process would be go through the

1494
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:37,280
bonding process

1495
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,839
before i can order the garbage trucks

1496
01:05:39,839 --> 01:05:41,280
make sure we have the cash we want to

1497
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:42,559
make sure we have money before we do

1498
01:05:42,559 --> 01:05:45,200
that so if i ordered the garbage trucks

1499
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:46,720
today

1500
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:50,559
and then the council decides not to bond

1501
01:05:50,559 --> 01:05:52,720
in the spring

1502
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:54,960
then we're stuck so what this is saying

1503
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,440
is that we're going to pay for this one

1504
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,599
way or the other because of the long

1505
01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:04,789
lead time on these vehicles

1506
01:06:04,799 --> 01:06:06,400
we're hoping that you pass this so that

1507
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:07,599
we can do that

1508
01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:08,960
so we can get this problem is there any

1509
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,119
commitment on a timeline excuse me is

1510
01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:13,200
there any commitment a form commitment

1511
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:14,799
on the timeline

1512
01:06:14,799 --> 01:06:24,549
is there to get these uh these problems

1513
01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:27,039
that's the minimum so we know what we're

1514
01:06:27,039 --> 01:06:29,520
trying to do is save five months of time

1515
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:34,079
to get it within 2023 instead of 2024.

1516
01:06:34,079 --> 01:06:36,640
and we plan as recorded we do plan to

1517
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,720
borrow uh capital project money this

1518
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:40,720
year anyway so once once we get that

1519
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:42,559
money in we'll just move it back into

1520
01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:45,440
fund balance yep

1521
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:46,400
any questions

1522
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:47,680
comments

1523
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:49,440
i'll move it

1524
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,200
like that all in favor

1525
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:52,079
aye

1526
01:06:52,079 --> 01:06:53,039
thank you

1527
01:06:53,039 --> 01:06:55,280
the next item is the

1528
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:58,240
2022 budget reallocation person for

1529
01:06:58,240 --> 01:06:59,440
agreement between the city of

1530
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,760
schenectady and csea i'm going to pass

1531
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:05,430
out though i'm going to pass out

1532
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,920
the cost of all these reallocations so

1533
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:09,839
that you can look at them but you can

1534
01:07:09,839 --> 01:07:11,680
use that smile so they'll put them over

1535
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:12,400
there

1536
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,240
so you can look at what we're talking

1537
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:14,880
about

1538
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,760
[Music]

1539
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:19,760
so uh

1540
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:21,880
as you recall uh uh

1541
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:23,440
[Music]

1542
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,039
the console the console itself has

1543
01:07:25,039 --> 01:07:26,839
passed uh

1544
01:07:26,839 --> 01:07:29,119
several uh

1545
01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:32,240
you have enough no it's one feature

1546
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:34,079
do you have a mr holden i'm multiplying

1547
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:37,680
right now i can always yeah

1548
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:40,000
all right we're good okay so

1549
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,559
this picasa is already uh passed and

1550
01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:46,079
appropriated uh uh monies for uh uh the

1551
01:07:46,079 --> 01:07:47,839
different uh unions that we had in

1552
01:07:47,839 --> 01:07:51,440
agreements to so we're looking to uh

1553
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,319
to appropriate those funds

1554
01:07:54,319 --> 01:07:56,160
uh for the agreement so the first one we

1555
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:59,039
have here is the csaa for 2022.

1556
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:02,720
uh but let's go back to csa for 2021

1557
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:04,559
which is how far is this if you look in

1558
01:08:04,559 --> 01:08:07,039
the patches i sent you uh i essentially

1559
01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:09,520
would have the cost for the total for

1560
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:12,720
2021 and 2022

1561
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,680
for 2020 and 21 because these are retro

1562
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,319
payments that we've done in uh

1563
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:20,400
the negotiations and the contract went

1564
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:23,199
back to 20 uh 2020. so what we're gonna

1565
01:08:23,199 --> 01:08:25,520
do is uh do retro payments to the union

1566
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,480
members from 2020 and 2041.

1567
01:08:28,480 --> 01:08:29,920
and but uh you know according to

1568
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:31,839
government standards we have to show

1569
01:08:31,839 --> 01:08:34,400
those expenditures and those costs in

1570
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:35,839
2021

1571
01:08:35,839 --> 01:08:37,520
so what we have to do because that money

1572
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,080
was not appropriated through the budget

1573
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,000
process because we're negotiating all

1574
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:45,040
that time this is the requirement to uh

1575
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:46,880
appropriate those funds

1576
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:47,679
uh

1577
01:08:47,679 --> 01:08:48,920
from uh

1578
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:50,640
[Music]

1579
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:56,239
our bounces to the to the budget to pay for them um this is the plan uh the

1580
01:08:56,239 --> 01:08:58,480
plan that we use uh you know is to use

1581
01:08:58,480 --> 01:09:00,319
uh our lost revenue through our

1582
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:04,960
professional monies so as you can see

1583
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,920
uh with what i sent you in in that uh

1584
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:09,440
little package over there

1585
01:09:09,440 --> 01:09:12,880
we have for uh 2021 we have retroactive

1586
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,440
payments for management for csea for

1587
01:09:15,440 --> 01:09:18,080
2020 cse for 2021

1588
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:21,679
10 37 for uh 20 21 and operating

1589
01:09:21,679 --> 01:09:23,759
engineer for 20 21.

1590
01:09:23,759 --> 01:09:26,480
the total amount with the uh fica that

1591
01:09:26,480 --> 01:09:28,960
is a process that i met and i

1592
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:30,640
put it on the sheet can we put that in

1593
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:34,870
the resolution with the fico amount

1594
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:37,040
that total for uh all of those budgets

1595
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:40,640
for 2021 is 617

1596
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,839
689 and 94 for all those

1597
01:09:43,839 --> 01:09:46,960
budgets for retro payments for 20

1598
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:48,520
through 20 21.

1599
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,199
[Music]

1600
01:09:51,199 --> 01:09:53,120
now for 2022

1601
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:54,480
we have a

1602
01:09:54,480 --> 01:09:57,840
reallocations for uh the management

1603
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:01,920
csca for 2022 and operate engineers now

1604
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:03,199
when we're when we're doing the

1605
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:05,520
negotiations and the budget for 2022 we

1606
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,920
had anticipated the budget can we do

1607
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:09,840
each item individually because we want

1608
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:11,280
to ask them yeah we have to pass them

1609
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,760
individually sorry yes i'm sorry

1610
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:29,030
this is not explained the whole

1611
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,040
uh budgetary allocation for city

1612
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:32,560
schenecta

1613
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:34,719
according to the budget pass

1614
01:10:34,719 --> 01:10:36,880
that total for 2022

1615
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:41,040
uh is uh 347 994

1616
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:42,640
plus uh uh

1617
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:44,719
30 thousand and uh

1618
01:10:44,719 --> 01:10:47,199
oh thirty thousand at five guys so you

1619
01:10:47,199 --> 01:10:48,960
have to have the total budget right

1620
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:50,560
there that

1621
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,320
man that thirty thousand covers more

1622
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,239
than just cse oh yeah you're right so

1623
01:10:54,239 --> 01:10:58,400
it's the csca 2022 the 347 944 plus

1624
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:00,560
whatever that fico percentage is sorry

1625
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:02,880
about that right yep i do have that

1626
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:07,030
number here someplace

1627
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,600
whatever that percentage is 7.65

1628
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:11,280
absolutely that's what it is any

1629
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:14,080
question on item number five

1630
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:15,840
i haven't moved it

1631
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:17,840
all in favor hi

1632
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,640
item number six number six is uh the the

1633
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,280
amount we talked about for cse

1634
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,840
for 2021 for the retro payments that

1635
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:27,840
will be charged at 2021

1636
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,040
uh i explained uh the amounts there

1637
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:33,440
any questions on that

1638
01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:37,280
a little bit second all in favor

1639
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:40,000
number seven number seven is uh this is

1640
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,719
uh the 2020 allocation for the operating

1641
01:11:42,719 --> 01:11:47,199
engineers again was passed

1642
01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:50,719
for retro payment for uh 2021 uh came to

1643
01:11:50,719 --> 01:11:53,040
18 000 plus

1644
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:53,600
point the 7

1645
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,120
percent for uh

1646
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:56,320
fica

1647
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:58,719
any questions on that i'll move it

1648
01:11:58,719 --> 01:12:00,719
thank you favor

1649
01:12:00,719 --> 01:12:03,199
item number eight number eight is the

1650
01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:05,679
2022 budget allocation

1651
01:12:05,679 --> 01:12:08,080
for city schenectady and the operating

1652
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:11,040
engineers for 2028.

1653
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:15,360
that's a that's a 41 478 plus this fico

1654
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:17,120
uh

1655
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:19,510
budget

1656
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:22,960
second all in favor

1657
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:26,000
number nine and uh uh the 2021 budget

1658
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,560
reallocation for the 1037

1659
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:29,600
uh

1660
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:32,080
that again as you recall is up here that

1661
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:34,560
is a total for 2021 for the retro

1662
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:38,120
payment of 296 000 390 plus the

1663
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:41,760
7.65 for uh fifa

1664
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:43,120
question

1665
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:44,560
second

1666
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:48,310
call in favor

1667
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:49,920
is the agreement between the city of

1668
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:51,840
schenectady and the city budget of the

1669
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:53,360
city management team

1670
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:55,440
uh those that was a two percent increase

1671
01:12:55,440 --> 01:12:57,520
from september through december that

1672
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,480
came to 18 000 353

1673
01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:11,990
65 plus the 7.5

1674
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:13,840
the city is connected into city uh

1675
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:16,159
management benefits for 2022.

1676
01:13:16,159 --> 01:13:17,120
uh

1677
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,120
that uh uh came to a total of nine

1678
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:23,040
thousand four hundred nine dollars that is the uh the difference in the the

1679
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:25,360
reallocation of the longevity numbers

1680
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:27,199
that'd be nine thousand plus a point

1681
01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:28,960
seven five

1682
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:38,149
seven point six five percent for fica

1683
01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:41,040
21 and 22 is gonna be a million

1684
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:43,280
forty seven thousand all thirty one

1685
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:45,360
point fifty one i'm gonna probably even

1686
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:46,719
come back to you another two weeks with

1687
01:13:46,719 --> 01:13:48,400
the fire department

1688
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:51,440
uh you think these numbers are big

1689
01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:53,920
oh stop

1690
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:56,960
so yes i do have questions yeah other

1691
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,840
than the fire department or all the

1692
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:01,760
contact settle for all the labor unions

1693
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:03,600
all labor union contracts are settled

1694
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,239
the only uh uh one that's close to being

1695
01:14:06,239 --> 01:14:07,840
finished is the police department is

1696
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,320
december of 2022 which will start in

1697
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,560
2023 the next

1698
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:14,880
negotiation probably earlier but but

1699
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:16,400
everything else everything else is good

1700
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:17,360
through uh

1701
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,760
2024 just a lot yeah

1702
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:21,280
and yeah yeah

1703
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:22,320
question you said that you'll kind of

1704
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:24,239
come back with the fire department

1705
01:14:24,239 --> 01:14:26,560
yes yes yes and so there'll be are some

1706
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:28,320
using our funds as well so this is the

1707
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:30,000
total amount of our no this is not total

1708
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:31,840
amount uh this is uh like i said where

1709
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:33,520
our plan is to use the loss revenue from

1710
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,560
our funds which uh which uh which uh

1711
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:41,360
later on i'll give you the whole uh breakdown of that but our federal

1712
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:43,440
funds allocation for uh lost revenue is

1713
01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:44,480
eight point

1714
01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:45,840
eight million nine hundred twenty two

1715
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:47,679
thousand six eighty three

1716
01:14:47,679 --> 01:14:49,679
so that's a million of that right off

1717
01:14:49,679 --> 01:14:51,199
the bat right there okay so eight

1718
01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:53,360
million something okay all right

1719
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:56,000
any other business before finance

1720
01:14:56,000 --> 01:15:01,120
second holly favor hi thank you

1721
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:03,199
okay so i'd like to call the government

1722
01:15:03,199 --> 01:15:04,960
operations committee

1723
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,440
um today we have three items on the

1724
01:15:07,440 --> 01:15:09,520
agenda uh the first verse is we're going

1725
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:10,800
to have discussion

1726
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:12,080
uh about

1727
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:15,030
carl williams

1728
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,360
thank you mr farley uh so my subject

1729
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:19,440
line is hosting quarterly city hall and

1730
01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:21,360
city council and community outside of

1731
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:23,840
the city since attending um these

1732
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:25,600
meetings i've never once seen them build

1733
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:27,520
outside of special resolutions or

1734
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:29,520
considerations for individuals which is

1735
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,760
understandable i also understand that we

1736
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:33,199
are currently in the middle of a

1737
01:15:33,199 --> 01:15:35,199
pandemic however i think we need to

1738
01:15:35,199 --> 01:15:37,120
address certain transportation issues to

1739
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:39,280
include time restraints from individuals

1740
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:41,360
like myself who wasn't able to get home

1741
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:43,120
and i understand that we have our time

1742
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:44,800
set and that's something that we need to

1743
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:46,960
work around however i think

1744
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:48,480
identifying locations throughout the

1745
01:15:48,480 --> 01:15:50,800
city to traditionally host quarterly

1746
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:52,880
meetings i think that is something that

1747
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,280
we should research to potentially have

1748
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:57,440
news in other areas of the city so that

1749
01:15:57,440 --> 01:15:59,679
we are moving city hall to the people as

1750
01:15:59,679 --> 01:16:01,520
opposed to having the people only be

1751
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:03,120
able to come here if they receive

1752
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:04,800
information although it includes a

1753
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:06,480
virtual component there are some members

1754
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:08,000
of our communities that do not have

1755
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,000
access to internet so i think if we're

1756
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,320
truly being here to provide a service to

1757
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:14,239
the community this should be something

1758
01:16:14,239 --> 01:16:16,159
that we should uh take on

1759
01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:17,840
in partnership with osm to make sure

1760
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,239
that we're able to still host a virtual

1761
01:16:20,239 --> 01:16:21,840
component for individuals that prefer

1762
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:29,590
that long term

1763
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:31,679
so yes and you know i've had other

1764
01:16:31,679 --> 01:16:33,280
people also talk about this and i i

1765
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:34,640
really don't think it's a i think it's

1766
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:36,000
actually a good idea that we're well we

1767
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,800
come outside outside of city hall walls

1768
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:40,159
right now we do it when there's a

1769
01:16:40,159 --> 01:16:42,320
special thing when we just had to win on

1770
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:44,880
like a tour of sorts to do the arca

1771
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:47,600
um presentations so to do this quarterly

1772
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,159
is to me it's not not a heavy lift and

1773
01:16:50,159 --> 01:16:52,239
um you know there's a lot of

1774
01:16:52,239 --> 01:16:54,400
municipalities or elected individuals

1775
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:55,600
who do what they're called they're

1776
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:59,679
called town halls so i think that it's actually a good idea to you know i

1777
01:16:59,679 --> 01:17:03,440
know that um some of us attend um

1778
01:17:03,440 --> 01:17:04,960
meetings for the uh for different

1779
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:06,880
neighborhoods but however that's the

1780
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:08,239
agenda that they're putting forward but

1781
01:17:08,239 --> 01:17:09,679
so i think it is a good idea for us to

1782
01:17:09,679 --> 01:17:11,920
be able to bring ourselves to the people

1783
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:13,840
on a uh like i said this are you

1784
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:16,000
suggesting a quarterly basis so just you

1785
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:17,360
know four times a year i don't think

1786
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:19,440
it's a i think it's actually a good kind

1787
01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:22,239
of a public relations kind of thing in

1788
01:17:22,239 --> 01:17:27,430
terms of us as uh elected

1789
01:17:27,440 --> 01:17:30,239
any other discussion on that um

1790
01:17:30,239 --> 01:17:32,000
i guess i would just add i think that

1791
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:33,440
it's really um

1792
01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:36,000
i was uh we were sending a strong

1793
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,239
message around making plans with people

1794
01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:40,480
and not for people and i think that this

1795
01:17:40,480 --> 01:17:42,159
will you know as a way to demonstrate

1796
01:17:42,159 --> 01:17:44,000
that commitment that we're not only i'm

1797
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:45,120
going to be

1798
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,280
uh we're going to honor and be who we

1799
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,360
say we would be but we're being flexible

1800
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:50,880
and responsive to the needs of the

1801
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:54,640
community um so i think it's definitely worth the

1802
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:56,320
discussion to have

1803
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:57,760
and i'm interested to hear if anyone

1804
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:00,080
else has any

1805
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,280
um i'd like to ask if we were to pursue

1806
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:05,040
this um

1807
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:07,360
i'd want to make sure that we were

1808
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:11,280
also including security issues around

1809
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:14,560
the well actually we just left i think

1810
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:16,400
we have police officers or off-duty

1811
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:18,159
police officers or auxiliary police

1812
01:18:18,159 --> 01:18:19,360
officers

1813
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:21,360
as well as the metal detector

1814
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:23,600
and other types of security

1815
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:26,640
as we have access to here i think is

1816
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:28,719
important as one of the considerations i

1817
01:18:28,719 --> 01:18:30,719
also have to say that i do think it's

1818
01:18:30,719 --> 01:18:33,440
important as sort of city hall as the

1819
01:18:33,440 --> 01:18:35,120
center

1820
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:36,320
government as the center of our

1821
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,800
democracy here in the city that

1822
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:40,800
personally i like the idea that we're

1823
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:41,679
here

1824
01:18:41,679 --> 01:18:43,920
for our meetings i also will throw up

1825
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:45,840
just as another consideration if this

1826
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:47,600
discussion continues

1827
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:50,159
um to return to the discussion about the

1828
01:18:50,159 --> 01:18:54,870
time of our meetings which we did start

1829
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:57,280
earlier we discussed the idea of you

1830
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:58,719
know perhaps having all of our meetings

1831
01:18:58,719 --> 01:19:00,480
at 5 30 which would give people the

1832
01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:02,480
opportunity to be able to come

1833
01:19:02,480 --> 01:19:05,199
right from work rather than go home and

1834
01:19:05,199 --> 01:19:07,199
have to come out

1835
01:19:07,199 --> 01:19:08,719
late at night

1836
01:19:08,719 --> 01:19:10,480
on a winter's night for example to go

1837
01:19:10,480 --> 01:19:12,400
home and then come back i think is

1838
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:13,920
really discouraging to a lot of people

1839
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:15,600
but i think that mr williams's point

1840
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:17,120
about kobe

1841
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,040
certainly has affected

1842
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,760
our attendance because i think at least

1843
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,000
before coded we definitely had more

1844
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:26,239
people at our meetings um so i think

1845
01:19:26,239 --> 01:19:28,000
that there's probably that aspect too so

1846
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:29,840
we'd have to also ensure wherever we

1847
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:31,120
moved the

1848
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:32,800
meetings if we were choosing to do that

1849
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:34,320
on a quarterly basis that would be able

1850
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:36,640
to do the distancing and have the checks

1851
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:38,640
and all that kind of stuff as well

1852
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:40,480
so those are just my comments

1853
01:19:40,480 --> 01:19:43,669
my initial thoughts

1854
01:19:43,679 --> 01:19:46,080
i don't think this is something that we

1855
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:47,120
can do

1856
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:48,480
right away i mean but i think it's

1857
01:19:48,480 --> 01:19:49,920
definitely something we should consider

1858
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:50,880
and

1859
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:52,000
um

1860
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:53,440
i understand the seat of government but

1861
01:19:53,440 --> 01:19:55,199
i also understand engaging the community

1862
01:19:55,199 --> 01:19:56,480
because when we want to that's what we

1863
01:19:56,480 --> 01:19:59,280
do so i think that this this allows an

1864
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:00,800
opportunity for us to do both because we

1865
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:02,800
will continually without question have

1866
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:04,239
our meetings here that's that's not even

1867
01:20:04,239 --> 01:20:05,840
an option we will definitely do that but

1868
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:07,360
this is just like four times a year

1869
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:10,159
let's you know let's do something and

1870
01:20:10,159 --> 01:20:12,080
let's be out there and i think that

1871
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:14,320
we do see we do see

1872
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:16,320
specific people let's just you know if

1873
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:17,520
it comes to our council meetings it's

1874
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:19,600
like generally we know who's going to be

1875
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:21,199
there who's not going to be there and

1876
01:20:21,199 --> 01:20:23,120
this probably will i believe will open

1877
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:25,679
it that more people will see more people

1878
01:20:25,679 --> 01:20:27,760
than we would normally see to come here

1879
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:30,800
if we were out in the community so i

1880
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:32,400
think it it

1881
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,560
would work discussion and maybe even

1882
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:36,239
trying to implement

1883
01:20:36,239 --> 01:20:38,800
um i understand the security issues i'm

1884
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:40,639
just not sure how we address them in

1885
01:20:40,639 --> 01:20:42,400
terms of metal detectors i'm not sure

1886
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:44,880
how that happened

1887
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:46,080
i don't know that they're portable i

1888
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:47,840
don't know i don't know

1889
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,400
i guess they use wands

1890
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:52,960
so um but i'm certainly open to

1891
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:54,320
continuing this discussion and seeing

1892
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:57,600
how we could um plan that out

1893
01:20:57,600 --> 01:20:58,800
yeah as to

1894
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:01,679
for example we've tried some meetings in

1895
01:21:01,679 --> 01:21:04,400
the past in the community and pretty

1896
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:07,120
poorly attended

1897
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:09,440
have council meetings been done in the

1898
01:21:09,440 --> 01:21:11,600
past

1899
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:16,400
outside of city hall um i think that's

1900
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,320
perhaps has happened

1901
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:22,950
mary would have maybe better regulations

1902
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:27,430
before i

1903
01:21:27,440 --> 01:21:29,360
there have think times when they've

1904
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:31,120
gone to other places but it's been more

1905
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,120
of a rarity than they regularly

1906
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:35,360
scheduled

1907
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:38,790
and

1908
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:40,480
generally

1909
01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:42,000
when things are going fairly smooth

1910
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:43,520
everybody's doing a pretty good job you

1911
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:45,760
get poor attendance

1912
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:46,560
when

1913
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:48,800
uh you get a point of controversy or

1914
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:51,199
something public debate that attendance

1915
01:21:51,199 --> 01:21:52,480
goes up

1916
01:21:52,480 --> 01:21:54,560
and so it

1917
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:55,920
tries to keep that in the back of your

1918
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:57,920
mind of where we hold the meeting we're

1919
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:00,080
going to have a

1920
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:02,000
bigger event that there's more things

1921
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:03,120
going on

1922
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:06,400
uh you have to be more selective

1923
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,719
the other side could be more informal on

1924
01:22:08,719 --> 01:22:10,800
some of them may allow for just better

1925
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:12,800
discussion and more interaction with

1926
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:15,990
people

1927
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:18,159
sorry i have a couple other questions

1928
01:22:18,159 --> 01:22:19,040
but

1929
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:20,880
go ahead oh

1930
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:22,159
um

1931
01:22:22,159 --> 01:22:24,639
in concurring with miss patrick

1932
01:22:24,639 --> 01:22:26,400
um

1933
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:30,709
i think um

1934
01:22:30,719 --> 01:22:32,560
an earlier

1935
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:34,800
time especially for seniors

1936
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:36,480
and we did discuss

1937
01:22:36,480 --> 01:22:39,120
before we we got on the console you know

1938
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:41,840
of a 5 30 for for everyone something

1939
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:43,440
where again maybe even six o'clock

1940
01:22:43,440 --> 01:22:44,639
people are on the way home from work

1941
01:22:44,639 --> 01:22:46,000
they stop they don't have to come back

1942
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:46,639
out

1943
01:22:46,639 --> 01:22:48,960
i think that's a that's a good idea

1944
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:49,920
um

1945
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:52,560
and city hall being central

1946
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:54,400
to schenectady

1947
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:57,600
um and on bus lines walk within walking

1948
01:22:57,600 --> 01:22:59,360
distance should we

1949
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:02,239
enter a facility that's

1950
01:23:02,239 --> 01:23:03,920
not on a bus line

1951
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:05,120
um

1952
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:06,480
where someone from the north side

1953
01:23:06,480 --> 01:23:08,639
couldn't get over to bellevue

1954
01:23:08,639 --> 01:23:10,560
so at least here we're central i mean

1955
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:12,880
those that's my only take on on

1956
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:15,120
everything so i just say we remain where

1957
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:18,159
we are and we put ourselves out there to

1958
01:23:18,159 --> 01:23:21,120
the constituents every day via our email

1959
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:23,280
they can email us they can call us they

1960
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:25,520
can send a letter to sam which is she's

1961
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:27,120
written and all those things can be

1962
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:29,280
addressed and i understand that and i'd

1963
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:31,600
love for our meetings to be i would like

1964
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:33,600
the whole city to come to be honest with

1965
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:36,239
you and tell us what they want um but

1966
01:23:36,239 --> 01:23:38,239
anyway that that's my take on it right

1967
01:23:38,239 --> 01:23:42,709
now is that

1968
01:23:42,719 --> 01:23:44,639
back to the security issue that's one of

1969
01:23:44,639 --> 01:23:46,800
the things that people

1970
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,520
for years we're complaining about is a

1971
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:51,600
lack of security here and now that we

1972
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:54,080
finally have it

1973
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:55,600
you know i think that's an important

1974
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,639
component but the other questions i have

1975
01:23:58,639 --> 01:24:00,480
is how many people does negatively

1976
01:24:00,480 --> 01:24:02,480
impact because

1977
01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:05,440
this is a central location so if we move

1978
01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:07,040
a meeting to

1979
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:09,679
you know i don't know woodlawn

1980
01:24:09,679 --> 01:24:12,000
will people who would traditionally come

1981
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:13,920
here go to those meetings

1982
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:16,320
how many would be negatively affected i

1983
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:18,159
think is something that we really need

1984
01:24:18,159 --> 01:24:19,360
to

1985
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:20,480
consider

1986
01:24:20,480 --> 01:24:22,159
um

1987
01:24:22,159 --> 01:24:25,360
yeah is there a real want for this um

1988
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:27,520
you know i've seen this

1989
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:30,560
building packed with people

1990
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:32,719
and people will show up when it's

1991
01:24:32,719 --> 01:24:36,229
something that they're

1992
01:24:36,239 --> 01:24:38,159
fired up about i guess for a lack of

1993
01:24:38,159 --> 01:24:39,199
better word

1994
01:24:39,199 --> 01:24:40,960
and

1995
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:44,000
so i think those are all things that we

1996
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:45,280
need to

1997
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:48,159
have in place before we even

1998
01:24:48,159 --> 01:24:52,709
consider something like that

1999
01:24:52,719 --> 01:24:55,120
on top of you know

2000
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:57,120
are there legal issues

2001
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:59,040
yeah if a

2002
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:02,239
employee goes and gets hurt

2003
01:25:02,239 --> 01:25:04,239
off location

2004
01:25:04,239 --> 01:25:05,840
you know what's the ramifications for

2005
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:07,040
that

2006
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:09,520
so i think there's a lot of things that

2007
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:15,110
really need to be buttoned up

2008
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:16,960
so when we had the opportunity to invite

2009
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:18,880
the belmont football team to celebrate

2010
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:20,719
their accomplishments it was so

2011
01:25:20,719 --> 01:25:22,880
inspiring to see that many young people

2012
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:24,320
in city hall

2013
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:26,080
growing up in the city i i couldn't tell

2014
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:27,679
you where city hall was

2015
01:25:27,679 --> 01:25:30,960
and it wasn't until i began um going

2016
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:32,320
through my professional career that i

2017
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:33,920
understood that it didn't require me to

2018
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:35,760
become a homeowner to be vested in my

2019
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:37,760
city politically that it was important

2020
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:39,520
to be involved

2021
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:42,000
from the ground up so i do think that

2022
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:44,080
having these meetings

2023
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:46,239
in snappy high school and the boys and

2024
01:25:46,239 --> 01:25:47,920
girls club where there are individuals

2025
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:49,840
from the community that feel comfortable

2026
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:51,679
going to those places

2027
01:25:51,679 --> 01:25:53,520
that this is appropriate for us to at

2028
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:55,840
least make another attempt

2029
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:57,199
and i don't know

2030
01:25:57,199 --> 01:25:58,080
if

2031
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:00,239
community organizational leaders were

2032
01:26:00,239 --> 01:26:01,679
collaborated with

2033
01:26:01,679 --> 01:26:04,239
but i ensure you that we are with this

2034
01:26:04,239 --> 01:26:05,760
coming year having these arpa

2035
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:07,040
conversations

2036
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:09,440
having these police reform conversations

2037
01:26:09,440 --> 01:26:11,520
that we are working in unison and i

2038
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:13,440
think it is prudent i'll use that word

2039
01:26:13,440 --> 01:26:17,040
again for us to re-engage this topic

2040
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:18,960
when we are all vested in understanding

2041
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:22,080
according to working together this year

2042
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:24,000
actually i actually like to directly

2043
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:25,840
respond to that because

2044
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:28,480
that particular meeting with those those

2045
01:26:28,480 --> 01:26:29,920
young people that were here from the

2046
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:32,560
beaumont top one or in the cheerleaders

2047
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:34,480
um was pretty much my favorite meeting

2048
01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:36,960
so far while i was sitting there i

2049
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:38,480
really thought about the fact that it

2050
01:26:38,480 --> 01:26:40,560
was so great that they had that

2051
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:42,639
opportunity to come to city hall

2052
01:26:42,639 --> 01:26:44,239
and understand

2053
01:26:44,239 --> 01:26:46,800
that we have this place

2054
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:49,280
that is part of our civic engagement and

2055
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:51,120
i remember sitting there thinking this

2056
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:53,440
is really awesome that all of these kids

2057
01:26:53,440 --> 01:26:56,159
who maybe would never ever have stepped

2058
01:26:56,159 --> 01:26:57,679
foot into this building

2059
01:26:57,679 --> 01:27:00,480
are getting that chance to be here with

2060
01:27:00,480 --> 01:27:02,239
their leaders with their political

2061
01:27:02,239 --> 01:27:04,400
leaders at a low below

2062
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:06,960
um and be able to embrace and understand

2063
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,360
i mean when they when we all start stood

2064
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:10,639
together and did the pledge of

2065
01:27:10,639 --> 01:27:12,960
allegiance for example i mean it made me

2066
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:16,320
start to cry to hear all of those kids

2067
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:19,840
um in unison in this sort of

2068
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:22,320
not you know i don't know the right word

2069
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:24,480
sacred it's not the right word but to be

2070
01:27:24,480 --> 01:27:26,080
in the chamber

2071
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:29,360
um for me was was really impressive and

2072
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:31,280
i was thrilled i mean i went home

2073
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:32,400
actually and said

2074
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:33,920
it was so great to know that they

2075
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:35,199
probably never would have had that

2076
01:27:35,199 --> 01:27:36,320
chance

2077
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:38,480
um on a day-to-day basis to actually be

2078
01:27:38,480 --> 01:27:40,400
at city hall and hopefully that would

2079
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,960
inspire them to think about

2080
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:45,360
coming more or getting involved maybe

2081
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:46,880
running for office

2082
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:48,480
et cetera

2083
01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:49,850
but i also want to

2084
01:27:49,850 --> 01:27:51,199
[Music]

2085
01:27:51,199 --> 01:27:52,880
comment on something that ms porterfield

2086
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:54,880
said which i think in thinking about the

2087
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:57,040
site i'm getting ready for tonight the

2088
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:59,520
idea is also that we do have all the

2089
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:01,360
neighborhood associations and we do have

2090
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:03,280
a number of other meetings

2091
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:05,360
um that many of us attend on a regular

2092
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:06,400
basis

2093
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:08,639
um and i i hear

2094
01:28:08,639 --> 01:28:10,320
so i think that was a good point as well

2095
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:12,239
that we are out there in the community

2096
01:28:12,239 --> 01:28:14,400
trying to listen to our neighbors trying

2097
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:15,199
to

2098
01:28:15,199 --> 01:28:16,639
get their input

2099
01:28:16,639 --> 01:28:18,159
at a recent

2100
01:28:18,159 --> 01:28:20,480
i think it was upper union street

2101
01:28:20,480 --> 01:28:22,080
neighborhood association meaning they

2102
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,719
actually invited the mayor and mr lafon

2103
01:28:24,719 --> 01:28:27,840
to come in and talk about

2104
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:29,760
issues that were affecting that

2105
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:31,120
neighborhood which actually ended up

2106
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:33,440
being a lot of the central park

2107
01:28:33,440 --> 01:28:36,560
issue as well um but it was great to be

2108
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:38,080
able to be there and be so you know

2109
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:40,400
listening to all of their input about

2110
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:42,719
what they wanted to see happen um in

2111
01:28:42,719 --> 01:28:44,560
their neighborhood so i do think that

2112
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:46,080
that's another opportunity at least in

2113
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:47,920
the short term for all of us and i know

2114
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,560
that we all do do that we all go out and

2115
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:52,400
attend these meetings so

2116
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:55,920
um that that is also another avenue for

2117
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:58,800
getting the input and being being around

2118
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:02,470
our community in our community

2119
01:29:02,480 --> 01:29:04,159
so i just want to add a point of clarity

2120
01:29:04,159 --> 01:29:08,080
in terms of the um

2121
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:10,400
the kid young people coming down here

2122
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:11,920
and the reason that they came here is

2123
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:13,440
because there was a council member who

2124
01:29:13,440 --> 01:29:14,960
was engaged with the community that

2125
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:16,880
somebody reached out to and said this is

2126
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:18,960
what's going on so it's not like they

2127
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:21,920
just decided to come so so so to to to

2128
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:23,920
mr william's point i i think us being

2129
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:25,120
out there more

2130
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:26,719
allows them to see we are out here and

2131
01:29:26,719 --> 01:29:28,719
then there's opportunity to come here so

2132
01:29:28,719 --> 01:29:29,840
i think if there's definitely an

2133
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:31,440
opportunity for that give and take for

2134
01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:33,679
us to be there where they assemble

2135
01:29:33,679 --> 01:29:36,400
wherever that is and here as well so it

2136
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:38,560
didn't happen just out of the clear sky

2137
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:40,080
they thought oh let's all accounts it's

2138
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:40,960
because

2139
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:43,120
a council member who's engaged with the

2140
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:44,159
community

2141
01:29:44,159 --> 01:29:46,080
was contacted by a community member

2142
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:47,920
because of engagement so that i think

2143
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:49,679
that's where we're trying to get here is

2144
01:29:49,679 --> 01:29:51,199
that we make sure that the community is

2145
01:29:51,199 --> 01:29:54,800
engaged is with us on a basis where they

2146
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:56,800
feel that comfort level because i've

2147
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:57,920
asked the question of the young people

2148
01:29:57,920 --> 01:29:59,280
have you been here some had and some

2149
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:01,520
hadn't so i think that we're trying to

2150
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:03,360
get that kidney engagement that we talk

2151
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:05,440
about so very often and just this is one

2152
01:30:05,440 --> 01:30:07,120
of the other ways we can consider trying

2153
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:09,520
to get there

2154
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:11,920
so if i could share her thought around

2155
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:14,480
all this i think that um

2156
01:30:14,480 --> 01:30:16,000
this is common with situations where a

2157
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:17,760
few things can be true and i think that

2158
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:20,400
you know um

2159
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:22,159
to your point if

2160
01:30:22,159 --> 01:30:24,639
those young people this was their first

2161
01:30:24,639 --> 01:30:27,920
time coming to city hall um i think that

2162
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:30,320
you know that just highlights uh area

2163
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:31,920
where you know we have to be not afraid

2164
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:33,600
of better to how do we create

2165
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:36,159
opportunities for our younger people to

2166
01:30:36,159 --> 01:30:39,120
walk through city halls um and and they

2167
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:40,320
don't necessarily have to be able to

2168
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:42,480
receive a resolution but to just because

2169
01:30:42,480 --> 01:30:43,840
they feel you know because we're

2170
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:46,320
intentionally being inclusive um and

2171
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:48,560
making those efforts and i also think

2172
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:50,639
that you know

2173
01:30:50,639 --> 01:30:52,560
the the heart of our city is in our

2174
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:53,920
neighborhoods

2175
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:55,920
so the more that we

2176
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:58,000
as a government body are present in the

2177
01:30:58,000 --> 01:30:59,199
neighborhoods

2178
01:30:59,199 --> 01:31:02,000
then that doesn't just you know foster

2179
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:05,120
um um just engagement but what it does

2180
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:07,120
is it demonstrates and it helps us i

2181
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:09,280
think it helps us have a better picture

2182
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:10,239
um

2183
01:31:10,239 --> 01:31:12,480
of what's happening in the neighborhoods

2184
01:31:12,480 --> 01:31:14,239
and that present

2185
01:31:14,239 --> 01:31:15,760
that presence right there works on a

2186
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:17,040
couple of different levels so i think

2187
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:18,639
that um

2188
01:31:18,639 --> 01:31:20,239
we're not uh

2189
01:31:20,239 --> 01:31:21,440
if i understand correctly we're not

2190
01:31:21,440 --> 01:31:23,920
saying that we're going to not meet a

2191
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:26,880
city although we're not going to um uh

2192
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:28,719
you know it's not an either or type of

2193
01:31:28,719 --> 01:31:30,320
situation it's more of a yes and so

2194
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:32,320
we're going to continue um to meet here

2195
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:34,480
but we want to be able to not allow the

2196
01:31:34,480 --> 01:31:36,320
tradition to stifle innovation we need

2197
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:37,760
to get out there in the community and i

2198
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:39,600
think that there's a lot to be said to

2199
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:43,510
for us doing that so

2200
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:50,229
any other uh discussion on that

2201
01:31:50,239 --> 01:31:51,679
i think we're just continuing into

2202
01:31:51,679 --> 01:31:53,040
visiting this and seeing how we can do

2203
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:55,440
it considering all the things that have

2204
01:31:55,440 --> 01:31:58,800
been brought forth as concerns and so i

2205
01:31:58,800 --> 01:31:59,840
think we'll just have to continue to

2206
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:01,199
discuss it i don't know that needs to be

2207
01:32:01,199 --> 01:32:03,679
i mean it's up to mr williams this is

2208
01:32:03,679 --> 01:32:05,760
about two weeks but but i think it it

2209
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:07,360
warrants more discussion

2210
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:09,360
i mean i guess uh it should highlight

2211
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:12,159
what we saw in our belief

2212
01:32:12,159 --> 01:32:13,920
conversations or around our funds and

2213
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:15,679
he's going to all the neighborhoods that

2214
01:32:15,679 --> 01:32:18,480
was like you know i i i was there for

2215
01:32:18,480 --> 01:32:20,000
most of those conversations and they

2216
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:25,040
were extremely well attended and i think it you know

2217
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:26,639
the mayor the staffer did a wonderful

2218
01:32:26,639 --> 01:32:30,480
job um and you know doing some q a um

2219
01:32:30,480 --> 01:32:32,320
got some real authentic conversations

2220
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:33,840
happening with city residents so i think

2221
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:36,320
that and i don't know that that same

2222
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:38,960
level of organic exchange of ideas

2223
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:41,520
happens in in city hall and it might

2224
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:42,560
kind of change

2225
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:44,080
the dynamic a little bit but i think

2226
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:45,600
that that was some really valuable

2227
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:47,440
interaction that was happening with uh

2228
01:32:47,440 --> 01:32:49,360
with city residents so i wanted uh to

2229
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:50,480
amend the mayor of the city team for

2230
01:32:50,480 --> 01:32:52,400
doing that and i think that that kind of

2231
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:53,920
led to your point calling that this is

2232
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:54,960
something that we should really be

2233
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:58,320
considering um so thank you for that

2234
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:00,639
okay so so next

2235
01:33:00,639 --> 01:33:01,600
um

2236
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:03,920
i would like to put forth uh

2237
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:06,840
a ceremony ceremonial resolution to

2238
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:09,280
acknowledge black history month

2239
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:13,600
um black history is world history um it

2240
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:16,560
is american history and it certainly is

2241
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:18,800
city schenectady history so i know this

2242
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:20,320
is something that happens every year and

2243
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:23,360
i just um think that oh

2244
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:24,639
that's something that we need to

2245
01:33:24,639 --> 01:33:26,560
acknowledge in a very meaningful way not

2246
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:27,440
just

2247
01:33:27,440 --> 01:33:29,600
though this is a ceremonial resolution

2248
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:32,000
um not just from a performative space

2249
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:34,800
but really as we acknowledge um and um

2250
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:37,199
black history how do we uh make sure

2251
01:33:37,199 --> 01:33:38,159
that our

2252
01:33:38,159 --> 01:33:41,199
the decisions we make today on

2253
01:33:41,199 --> 01:33:43,280
a range of different um items that will

2254
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:44,800
be before us as a government committee

2255
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:48,159
that we um uphold the principles for the

2256
01:33:48,159 --> 01:33:50,480
people who have come before us and um

2257
01:33:50,480 --> 01:33:53,199
and made of such great sacrifices uh

2258
01:33:53,199 --> 01:33:54,560
people of color so

2259
01:33:54,560 --> 01:34:01,270
um

2260
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:03,440
all in

2261
01:34:03,440 --> 01:34:06,709
all favor

2262
01:34:06,719 --> 01:34:09,920
okay so next on the agenda uh

2263
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:12,480
i'm gonna give this over to uh mr andrew

2264
01:34:12,480 --> 01:34:14,000
here so you can talk a little bit about

2265
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:17,120
june and the section 138-30 of the code

2266
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:19,360
the city is connected

2267
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:21,280
thank you

2268
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:22,880
i know there isn't anything attached to

2269
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:23,120
this

2270
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:24,639
[Music]

2271
01:34:24,639 --> 01:34:26,320
i did have a chance to speak with the

2272
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:29,120
city clerk earlier today

2273
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:32,400
i believe and i know some council people

2274
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:34,159
reached out to me with questions

2275
01:34:34,159 --> 01:34:36,719
concerns that they may have related to

2276
01:34:36,719 --> 01:34:39,440
amending this section of the code

2277
01:34:39,440 --> 01:34:40,639
there was

2278
01:34:40,639 --> 01:34:42,480
one written

2279
01:34:42,480 --> 01:34:44,000
submission

2280
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:46,639
for the public hearing from

2281
01:34:46,639 --> 01:34:48,480
the concerned citizen

2282
01:34:48,480 --> 01:34:50,480
i'm happy to address any questions or

2283
01:34:50,480 --> 01:34:52,080
concerns that any of the council people

2284
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:53,199
may have

2285
01:34:53,199 --> 01:34:55,520
otherwise i would

2286
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:57,840
request that the

2287
01:34:57,840 --> 01:34:59,679
ordinance as

2288
01:34:59,679 --> 01:35:02,000
presented in the public documentation

2289
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:05,990
move forward

2290
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:07,280
so i just have a question hopefully it's

2291
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:09,840
appropriate for this uh

2292
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:12,320
room right now would you mind clarifying

2293
01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:14,719
the post and pre declaration that was

2294
01:35:14,719 --> 01:35:17,040
highlighted as an issue the the what

2295
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:19,119
sorry the post and pre-deprivation that

2296
01:35:19,119 --> 01:35:23,510
was highlighted as an issue sure

2297
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:25,520
from a practical standpoint

2298
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:27,119
when a code enforcement officer goes out

2299
01:35:27,119 --> 01:35:29,600
to a property to do an inspection

2300
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:33,040
he or she obviously does

2301
01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:34,639
an inspection

2302
01:35:34,639 --> 01:35:37,119
and may see

2303
01:35:37,119 --> 01:35:39,199
conditions that rise to the level and

2304
01:35:39,199 --> 01:35:43,440
condition when i say conditions and being violations

2305
01:35:43,440 --> 01:35:45,360
which rise to the level of the necessity

2306
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:47,679
to issue an order to vacate

2307
01:35:47,679 --> 01:35:50,080
at that time the officer doesn't just

2308
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:51,679
provide you know a notice of the

2309
01:35:51,679 --> 01:35:54,080
violation and a notice that i'm going to

2310
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:56,719
be issuing in order to vacate which

2311
01:35:56,719 --> 01:35:58,639
could potentially give rise to what we

2312
01:35:58,639 --> 01:36:01,360
would consider a pre-deprivation hearing

2313
01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:02,800
instead the

2314
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:04,000
officer

2315
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,000
issues in order to vacate because the

2316
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:09,280
conditions rise to that level of

2317
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:12,560
putting uh people in peril

2318
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:15,040
and issues the order to vacate

2319
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:17,199
what we would be doing is offering a

2320
01:36:17,199 --> 01:36:19,669
post

2321
01:36:19,679 --> 01:36:23,199
a post-deprivation hearing

2322
01:36:23,199 --> 01:36:26,400
in which within the time frame given in

2323
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:28,800
what was presented uh

2324
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:30,560
an aggrieved party could be the owner of

2325
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:32,400
the property could be a tenant

2326
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:36,880
uh requests uh a review of the order to

2327
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:39,520
vacate um

2328
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:41,360
i think we have it now the the way was

2329
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:43,600
proposed within three days they can

2330
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:45,280
submit their request

2331
01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:46,560
and then within a certain amount of time

2332
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:48,719
the city would provide a hearing

2333
01:36:48,719 --> 01:36:51,360
uh to review the order to vacate

2334
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:54,159
that would be a post-deprivation now it

2335
01:36:54,159 --> 01:36:56,800
should be you know mentioned that

2336
01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:59,119
generally when the city issues in order

2337
01:36:59,119 --> 01:37:01,440
to vacate and we placard a property and

2338
01:37:01,440 --> 01:37:04,960
provide a notice to the owner and any

2339
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:08,080
tenants we don't physically you know

2340
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:09,199
unless

2341
01:37:09,199 --> 01:37:11,920
uh in maybe a rare circumstance would we

2342
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:14,080
physically remove people from

2343
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:15,600
a property we're providing them with

2344
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:17,280
notice we're providing them with

2345
01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:19,600
information related to services so that

2346
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:21,360
they can get the housing that they need

2347
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:23,600
in the interim

2348
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:26,480
but a lot of that you know

2349
01:37:26,480 --> 01:37:28,239
falls on the responsibility of the

2350
01:37:28,239 --> 01:37:30,000
property owner to make sure the tenants

2351
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:32,719
are are leaving

2352
01:37:32,719 --> 01:37:36,320
and the tenants themselves to leave um

2353
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:37,440
generally

2354
01:37:37,440 --> 01:37:39,360
uh code enforcement

2355
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:42,080
contacts social services to see what

2356
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:44,159
type of temporary housing might be

2357
01:37:44,159 --> 01:37:47,040
available but again this is more of a

2358
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:50,639
post-deprivation opportunity um for

2359
01:37:50,639 --> 01:37:51,840
you know we're going to provide help

2360
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:54,000
we'll try to assist in providing housing

2361
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:55,600
but also the hearing that would be in

2362
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:57,199
place would be post-deprivation not

2363
01:37:57,199 --> 01:37:59,280
pre-deprivation

2364
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:01,760
you got to address that

2365
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:03,440
clarification was warranted for anyone

2366
01:38:03,440 --> 01:38:08,790
that might be listening sure definitely

2367
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:10,880
so um so when someone is uh there's a

2368
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:12,960
notice to vacate right now and when in

2369
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:15,840
that three-day period for on them to

2370
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:19,199
kind of um request the hearing loss

2371
01:38:19,199 --> 01:38:20,320
they are

2372
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:21,840
once you have noticed a vacate the

2373
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:23,520
expectation is for you to vacate

2374
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:28,639
immediately the right or spirit it's meant to be immediately it's meant

2375
01:38:28,639 --> 01:38:31,280
to be immediately because you know when

2376
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:33,199
an officer sees that where to vacate

2377
01:38:33,199 --> 01:38:34,320
it's because

2378
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:36,320
there's a condition at the property in

2379
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:38,239
which there's it's dangerous for

2380
01:38:38,239 --> 01:38:40,080
somebody to remain there

2381
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:42,400
uh you know and certain conditions you

2382
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:44,480
know may

2383
01:38:44,480 --> 01:38:46,719
necessitate certain actions by those

2384
01:38:46,719 --> 01:38:48,880
tenants some people take you know

2385
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:49,920
uh

2386
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:51,840
may take a chance and continue to stay

2387
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:54,159
there you know we don't chain up

2388
01:38:54,159 --> 01:38:56,560
the property so somebody may leave and

2389
01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:58,400
then come back

2390
01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:00,080
and also there's an opportunity for

2391
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:01,520
people to

2392
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:03,040
go and try to correct correct the

2393
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:04,560
violations the property owner can go

2394
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:06,880
back and correct the violations

2395
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:08,639
we allow for that because we want them

2396
01:39:08,639 --> 01:39:11,040
to abate the violation so they can go

2397
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:13,119
back in there the idea though is we're

2398
01:39:13,119 --> 01:39:15,360
not keeping tabs after necessarily after

2399
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:16,880
hours to see if people are going back

2400
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:18,400
and staying the night

2401
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:19,520
um

2402
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:23,280
that's a tall task for us to accomplish

2403
01:39:23,280 --> 01:39:27,360
uh given you know our limited capacity

2404
01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:29,669
so

2405
01:39:29,679 --> 01:39:31,760
any um

2406
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:35,280
on the uh notice the ak or any of the uh

2407
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:37,600
paper that's given to a tenant or a

2408
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:39,600
property owner for numbers to vacate

2409
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:41,760
does is there any like you know kind of

2410
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:44,000
like leaving like well the recourse what

2411
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:46,719
happens if i if i'm a tenant and i don't

2412
01:39:46,719 --> 01:39:49,520
um vacate is there like you know

2413
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:52,000
in order to vacate is lawful order

2414
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:53,920
you know so when a code enforcement

2415
01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:55,600
officer or the building inspector issues

2416
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:58,000
in order to vacate it's a lawful order

2417
01:39:58,000 --> 01:39:59,920
uh the way the code's written and this

2418
01:39:59,920 --> 01:40:01,520
is the property maintenance code

2419
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:03,520
somebody could potentially be

2420
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:06,960
um removed from the property now that

2421
01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:08,960
potential exists

2422
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:10,400
the city

2423
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:12,560
as far as i know since i've been working

2424
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:14,000
for the city i don't know if we've

2425
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:16,400
exercised that in my time where we've

2426
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:18,320
you know removed somebody but the

2427
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:20,080
potential exists because if a property

2428
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:21,760
is unsafe we want to make sure that we

2429
01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:23,330
are protecting people

2430
01:40:23,330 --> 01:40:24,960
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2431
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:26,719
which is why you know there's this

2432
01:40:26,719 --> 01:40:28,800
opportunity now we don't it's the

2433
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:31,199
balancing here right protecting people

2434
01:40:31,199 --> 01:40:33,119
giving them the opportunity making sure

2435
01:40:33,119 --> 01:40:34,880
that they're safe and also

2436
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:37,600
recognizing that you know people could

2437
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:39,360
potentially be getting kicked out of

2438
01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:40,639
their home because of this unsafe

2439
01:40:40,639 --> 01:40:42,560
condition so we're trying to balance

2440
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:44,400
that in a way by giving people this

2441
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:47,040
opportunity to be heard

2442
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:51,360
after the orders is issued

2443
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:53,280
one more question

2444
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:54,000
so

2445
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:56,080
and and right now it's written if

2446
01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:59,360
someone's um well you know it could be

2447
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:01,760
not conditions right now i think uh are

2448
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:03,280
pretty demanding but it'll say like if

2449
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:05,920
you're in that and if someone uh is in

2450
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:07,679
the middle of the summer and someone's a

2451
01:41:07,679 --> 01:41:09,280
power is cut up for a failure to

2452
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:12,560
pavement power is that right now does it

2453
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:13,920
do i understand correctly that that

2454
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:16,320
would be a reason to vacate

2455
01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:18,320
a cold the cold enforcement would say

2456
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:19,600
right now you don't have power in your

2457
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:21,040
home and

2458
01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:22,800
this rises a level for you to vacate

2459
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:25,199
departments i i can't speak for

2460
01:41:25,199 --> 01:41:27,280
the code enforcement department and you

2461
01:41:27,280 --> 01:41:28,000
know

2462
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:31,040
what would trigger in order to vacate

2463
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:33,840
um i generally would be of the mind that

2464
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:35,920
if there's no power to a house that in

2465
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:38,080
order to vacate should be issued there

2466
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:39,840
are certain you know minimum

2467
01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:43,590
requirements that are

2468
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:45,760
a necessity for living in a hop in a

2469
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:47,920
house right so right now in the middle

2470
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:50,000
of winter for example if the heat

2471
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:52,000
doesn't work i would suspect that in

2472
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:54,080
order to vacate should be issued

2473
01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:55,920
however if that condition existed in the

2474
01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:57,040
summer time

2475
01:41:57,040 --> 01:42:00,480
it might be a different determinations made given

2476
01:42:00,480 --> 01:42:04,390
the circumstance right

2477
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:07,520
so mr cullen so if um

2478
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:09,440
for um

2479
01:42:09,440 --> 01:42:12,320
legality if we issue that

2480
01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:13,520
and

2481
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:15,040
does it take away

2482
01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:17,679
um like code knowing about something so

2483
01:42:17,679 --> 01:42:20,080
we're not held liable should the

2484
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:22,320
building fall down on top of people so

2485
01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:24,159
the idea behind the

2486
01:42:24,159 --> 01:42:27,040
issue in order to vacate obviously um

2487
01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:28,800
there's a protection to the city you

2488
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:31,600
know when we issued a vacation right

2489
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:33,760
the idea is we placard the property we

2490
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:36,239
re we recognize that it's unsafe

2491
01:42:36,239 --> 01:42:37,679
um

2492
01:42:37,679 --> 01:42:39,920
somebody decides that you know after the

2493
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:42,960
order is issued i'm going to stay here

2494
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:44,639
i would submit to you that they are

2495
01:42:44,639 --> 01:42:46,719
assuming the risk in staying in the

2496
01:42:46,719 --> 01:42:49,440
building after we placard the building

2497
01:42:49,440 --> 01:42:52,159
and deem it unsafe

2498
01:42:52,159 --> 01:42:54,400
the idea with the hearing is to

2499
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:57,280
obviously uh give people those folks who

2500
01:42:57,280 --> 01:42:59,520
are aggrieved an opportunity to be heard

2501
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:01,600
on whether or not the ordered vacant was

2502
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:04,320
properly issued if it should have been

2503
01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:06,159
um you know

2504
01:43:06,159 --> 01:43:07,679
maybe

2505
01:43:07,679 --> 01:43:09,360
it should have affected maybe the entire

2506
01:43:09,360 --> 01:43:11,119
building but only one of the units for

2507
01:43:11,119 --> 01:43:13,040
example it gives them the opportunity to

2508
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:15,040
be heard

2509
01:43:15,040 --> 01:43:16,800
as i said i think our code enforcement

2510
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:19,520
department errs on the side of caution

2511
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:21,760
to protect the public

2512
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:24,159
and given the circumstances you know at

2513
01:43:24,159 --> 01:43:26,159
three o'clock in the morning for example

2514
01:43:26,159 --> 01:43:28,880
uh to or to issue in order to vacate for

2515
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:31,760
an entire two-family structure

2516
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:33,920
but then give those folks who are

2517
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:35,760
aggrieved an opportunity to be heard

2518
01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:37,840
maybe a couple days later to say you

2519
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:39,199
know i live on the second floor this

2520
01:43:39,199 --> 01:43:41,199
shouldn't have impacted me you know it

2521
01:43:41,199 --> 01:43:42,400
gives us enough it gives them an

2522
01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:44,880
opportunity to be heard and if they feel

2523
01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:47,920
um you know even after that hearing

2524
01:43:47,920 --> 01:43:48,880
that

2525
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:50,800
the order to vacate

2526
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:52,880
let's say the order of vacate is

2527
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:55,199
uh by heard by hearing officer who says

2528
01:43:55,199 --> 01:43:57,119
no it was properly issued

2529
01:43:57,119 --> 01:43:59,360
there's a next step and that they can

2530
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:01,199
seek you know uh

2531
01:44:01,199 --> 01:44:03,280
they can seek redress in supreme court

2532
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:04,960
which would be filing an article 78 it's

2533
01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:07,920
an administrative process so you know i

2534
01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:10,080
don't want you to think that you know

2535
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:11,760
after that initial hearing giving them

2536
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:14,000
this hearing that that is all that they

2537
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:15,280
have they have an opportunity to be

2538
01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:17,199
heard beyond that

2539
01:44:17,199 --> 01:44:17,920
so

2540
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:19,360
you know we're trying to provide again

2541
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:21,600
the opportunity for people to

2542
01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:23,600
uh you know

2543
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:26,239
i guess seek redress seek review of

2544
01:44:26,239 --> 01:44:28,639
an administrative decision that happens

2545
01:44:28,639 --> 01:44:30,080
you know

2546
01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:33,679
in a moment you know so to speak right

2547
01:44:33,679 --> 01:44:34,800
where something gets called out in the

2548
01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:36,000
middle of the night because there's no

2549
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:38,800
heat for example uh officer goes out

2550
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:40,320
issues in order to vacate there's no

2551
01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:42,320
heat um

2552
01:44:42,320 --> 01:44:44,560
and then redress can be sought you know

2553
01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:45,440
by

2554
01:44:45,440 --> 01:44:48,400
a tenant or an owner saying no no no

2555
01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:51,119
it shouldn't have been issued because

2556
01:44:51,119 --> 01:44:52,719
you know whatever the example is or it

2557
01:44:52,719 --> 01:44:53,920
should have been issued on the entire

2558
01:44:53,920 --> 01:44:56,239
property so this is just creating a

2559
01:44:56,239 --> 01:44:58,159
roadmap for people to have their voices

2560
01:44:58,159 --> 01:44:59,199
heard

2561
01:44:59,199 --> 01:45:03,040
give them an opportunity to seek redress

2562
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:03,840
and

2563
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:05,040
really i think foster better

2564
01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:07,520
communication between the city and why

2565
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:09,520
we do what we do

2566
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:12,239
and and those people who are impacted by

2567
01:45:12,239 --> 01:45:13,760
the decisions that we make out in the

2568
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:40,790
field

2569
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:50,709
second

2570
01:45:50,719 --> 01:45:53,119
development and planning we have 13

2571
01:45:53,119 --> 01:45:55,119
items on the agenda

2572
01:45:55,119 --> 01:45:58,000
um the first uh this diana's dumpling

2573
01:45:58,000 --> 01:45:59,360
first four actually the first one is

2574
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:02,239
lead agency for a seeker and 30 day

2575
01:46:02,239 --> 01:46:04,639
comment period regarding the rezoning of

2576
01:46:04,639 --> 01:46:08,700
bear street and south

2577
01:46:08,710 --> 01:46:11,280
[Music]

2578
01:46:11,280 --> 01:46:13,520
is avenue the rezone of approximately

2579
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:17,280
3.9 acres of land um from our 2-2 family

2580
01:46:17,280 --> 01:46:20,400
to this c4 downtown learning district

2581
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:22,080
obviously is passing out a map that

2582
01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:24,400
shows this area which

2583
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:27,920
the r2 um the currently zoned r2 area is

2584
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:31,199
directly adjacent to the c4 downtown

2585
01:46:31,199 --> 01:46:32,320
zoning

2586
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:33,440
um

2587
01:46:33,440 --> 01:46:36,159
we are we're making this request because

2588
01:46:36,159 --> 01:46:38,560
there are constraints as to how these

2589
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:40,800
properties can be used

2590
01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:43,440
and just given its proximity to downtown

2591
01:46:43,440 --> 01:46:45,840
there's a lot of non-conforming uses

2592
01:46:45,840 --> 01:46:48,239
within many of the parcels within

2593
01:46:48,239 --> 01:46:49,600
the zone

2594
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:51,040
so when we're trying to look at a

2595
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:53,760
comprehensive development strategy for

2596
01:46:53,760 --> 01:46:56,000
this this area and some of the projects

2597
01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:56,960
that are

2598
01:46:56,960 --> 01:46:58,560
um you know happening and some of the

2599
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:00,560
things that are currently within

2600
01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:03,119
um as non-conforming uses

2601
01:47:03,119 --> 01:47:04,960
that is what is sort of behind this

2602
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:06,080
request

2603
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:08,800
it's also kind of mid-block where the r2

2604
01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:10,080
kind of comes in

2605
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:10,880
um

2606
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:12,880
so the block is kind of split between

2607
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:14,639
the c4 and the r2 so we're just

2608
01:47:14,639 --> 01:47:18,000
requesting to basically extend that c4

2609
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:20,000
um

2610
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:21,840
as it's outlined and i don't know if you

2611
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:23,600
want to explain a little bit more this

2612
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:26,149
is obvious

2613
01:47:26,159 --> 01:47:28,239
um so the first page on the maps that's

2614
01:47:28,239 --> 01:47:29,840
just an avalanche

2615
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:31,679
where the zoning is what you see in the

2616
01:47:31,679 --> 01:47:33,360
yellow hash marks there is what we're

2617
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:35,840
proposing to rezone the c4 that's

2618
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:38,480
currently the r2

2619
01:47:38,480 --> 01:47:39,920
you can see the south of that kind of

2620
01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:42,239
where the alley is

2621
01:47:42,239 --> 01:47:44,560
that's about the block where the zone a

2622
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:47,840
changes from the c4 to the r2

2623
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:49,600
the second

2624
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:51,360
page in that packet

2625
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:53,520
is um it shows that conformance with the

2626
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:55,920
lab races that this one is talking about

2627
01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:56,880
um

2628
01:47:56,880 --> 01:47:58,239
you can see

2629
01:47:58,239 --> 01:48:00,639
the ones in blue do conform with what's

2630
01:48:00,639 --> 01:48:09,189
currently permitted the ones do not

2631
01:48:09,199 --> 01:48:12,719
and then on the third page this is the

2632
01:48:12,719 --> 01:48:14,719
performance with development standards

2633
01:48:14,719 --> 01:48:16,840
so that means things like the

2634
01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:19,040
setbacks the required front-end

2635
01:48:19,040 --> 01:48:20,639
properties how large the properties have

2636
01:48:20,639 --> 01:48:22,560
to be in general to be

2637
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:25,440
uh to be buildable so most of these

2638
01:48:25,440 --> 01:48:26,960
structures are

2639
01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:29,360
pre-dated the existing

2640
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:31,119
block development standards so if you're

2641
01:48:31,119 --> 01:48:32,320
trying to build something now you

2642
01:48:32,320 --> 01:48:35,520
wouldn't be able to in most cases

2643
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:37,520
by changing it to

2644
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:39,199
the c4

2645
01:48:39,199 --> 01:48:41,040
it would allow for

2646
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:43,679
a greater use of the properties and just

2647
01:48:43,679 --> 01:48:46,000
really just maybe easier for uh

2648
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:48,080
comprehensive developments it aligns

2649
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:49,600
with the

2650
01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:52,320
zoning distance out of it

2651
01:48:52,320 --> 01:48:53,440
so

2652
01:48:53,440 --> 01:48:56,000
anytime there's a reason it's kind of a

2653
01:48:56,000 --> 01:48:58,320
process you know the city council kind

2654
01:48:58,320 --> 01:48:59,600
of

2655
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:02,080
can declare the intent to act as lead

2656
01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:04,400
agency there's public hearings and then

2657
01:49:04,400 --> 01:49:05,600
you refer

2658
01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:07,199
to the planning commission to make their

2659
01:49:07,199 --> 01:49:09,440
recommendation so it's kind of a little

2660
01:49:09,440 --> 01:49:11,679
bit of a process this is the first step

2661
01:49:11,679 --> 01:49:13,280
in the process

2662
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:16,239
but before we ask for that is there any

2663
01:49:16,239 --> 01:49:18,400
questions

2664
01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:21,199
i think sam were these made available on

2665
01:49:21,199 --> 01:49:24,239
the site okay so i'm not sure you can

2666
01:49:24,239 --> 01:49:37,990
pass these down at this late point

2667
01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:44,900
is

2668
01:49:44,910 --> 01:49:52,880
[Music]

2669
01:49:52,880 --> 01:49:55,679
oh in relation to that first map that's

2670
01:49:55,679 --> 01:49:58,080
in our packet where it says that um aik

2671
01:49:58,080 --> 01:50:00,719
proposal so where is that on uh so

2672
01:50:00,719 --> 01:50:03,040
that's a proposed

2673
01:50:03,040 --> 01:50:06,880
um project so where is that on again

2674
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:08,840
what the highway is okay

2675
01:50:08,840 --> 01:50:12,390
yeah thank you

2676
01:50:12,400 --> 01:50:16,000
all right

2677
01:50:16,010 --> 01:50:22,310
[Music]

2678
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:24,000
so right now you're requesting for us to

2679
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:25,920
become the uh you know you have to

2680
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:29,510
concerns regarding that

2681
01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:31,920
technically i don't know if this was

2682
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:36,070
made available 24 hours

2683
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:39,589
the first map wasn't this

2684
01:50:39,599 --> 01:50:42,159
the second two pages is the question

2685
01:50:42,159 --> 01:50:43,119
yeah

2686
01:50:43,119 --> 01:50:44,880
and that was just additional information

2687
01:50:44,880 --> 01:50:45,599
that

2688
01:50:45,599 --> 01:50:47,360
we thought might be helpful but if what

2689
01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:48,320
you know

2690
01:50:48,320 --> 01:50:50,560
the first map is really what the request

2691
01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:51,440
is

2692
01:50:51,440 --> 01:50:54,000
correct so the second map is more of

2693
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:56,080
just supporting information that shows

2694
01:50:56,080 --> 01:50:59,189
conformal uses

2695
01:50:59,199 --> 01:51:01,679
so we're so this is what we're

2696
01:51:01,679 --> 01:51:02,880
acting on

2697
01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:03,760
okay

2698
01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:05,520
all right

2699
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:07,360
so are there any further questions or

2700
01:51:07,360 --> 01:51:10,790
comments or concerns

2701
01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:12,719
i'll hold this second

2702
01:51:12,719 --> 01:51:15,280
all those in favor

2703
01:51:15,280 --> 01:51:17,280
say yeah on the second i'm going to get

2704
01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:19,840
the apollo public hearing yep so in

2705
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:21,599
relation to the same thing this is for

2706
01:51:21,599 --> 01:51:23,199
the city council to call for a public

2707
01:51:23,199 --> 01:51:24,960
hearing for the results

2708
01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:29,350
rezoning of approximately 3.91

2709
01:51:29,360 --> 01:51:37,189
any questions or concerns

2710
01:51:37,199 --> 01:51:39,040
okay third item agenda is ferris street

2711
01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:41,199
and south street avenue rezoning

2712
01:51:41,199 --> 01:51:44,239
planning commission referral correct

2713
01:51:44,239 --> 01:51:45,920
a resolution referring the zoning

2714
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:47,520
amendment proposal to the city's

2715
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:49,440
planning commission for a recommendation

2716
01:51:49,440 --> 01:51:50,880
so once we get through our process

2717
01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:52,560
you're just asking now that

2718
01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:53,920
you'll be ready to move it on to the

2719
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:55,440
planning commission

2720
01:51:55,440 --> 01:51:57,119
correct okay

2721
01:51:57,119 --> 01:51:59,199
any questions yesterday

2722
01:51:59,199 --> 01:52:02,150
thank you for coming quickly

2723
01:52:02,150 --> 01:52:06,310
[Music]

2724
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:08,800
is this solely being done

2725
01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:10,080
for

2726
01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:12,239
the development projects there kitty

2727
01:52:12,239 --> 01:52:13,199
corner

2728
01:52:13,199 --> 01:52:16,790
on south and barrett

2729
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:19,040
that's definitely part of our

2730
01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:20,880
that's part of our part of the

2731
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:22,400
discussion on this

2732
01:52:22,400 --> 01:52:23,199
um

2733
01:52:23,199 --> 01:52:25,599
but it's it's beyond that it's it's

2734
01:52:25,599 --> 01:52:27,360
looking at what makes sense for this

2735
01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:30,080
area that's so close to downtown with

2736
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:31,920
the changes that are happening there and

2737
01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:32,800
how

2738
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:38,560
you know we can just have a more appropriate zone

2739
01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:39,760
for it

2740
01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:42,960
i guess my follow-up question is

2741
01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:45,599
why not

2742
01:52:45,599 --> 01:52:47,440
like this has been

2743
01:52:47,440 --> 01:52:50,480
forever yeah so why not

2744
01:52:50,480 --> 01:52:51,920
this has been something that we've

2745
01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:53,920
discussed um

2746
01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:56,400
previously you know in relation to

2747
01:52:56,400 --> 01:52:57,920
just some of the there's there's

2748
01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:00,320
barriers to kind of like infilling some

2749
01:53:00,320 --> 01:53:02,000
of this area and as you know with the

2750
01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:03,760
limits and equity projects and a lot of

2751
01:53:03,760 --> 01:53:06,000
the voids in the neighborhood we want to

2752
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:07,920
make sure that we're able to do the

2753
01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:10,159
in-field development there that we don't

2754
01:53:10,159 --> 01:53:13,360
continue to have noise um where they're

2755
01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:14,320
you know

2756
01:53:14,320 --> 01:53:16,639
there could be potential um

2757
01:53:16,639 --> 01:53:19,679
you know benefits to the neighborhood so

2758
01:53:19,679 --> 01:53:22,229
nice

2759
01:53:22,239 --> 01:53:23,840
oh mr voodoo

2760
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:25,760
um i have a question related to item

2761
01:53:25,760 --> 01:53:27,599
number two that we just passed there is

2762
01:53:27,599 --> 01:53:31,830
no date for the public hearing

2763
01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:35,440
in this resolution no yeah well but

2764
01:53:35,440 --> 01:53:45,589
are we are we setting in standard yeah

2765
01:53:45,599 --> 01:53:47,040
are there other questions regarding

2766
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:48,159
rezoning

2767
01:53:48,159 --> 01:53:53,110
and referring to the planning commission

2768
01:53:53,120 --> 01:53:58,629
[Music]

2769
01:53:58,639 --> 01:54:00,480
okay uh fourth item on the agenda to

2770
01:54:00,480 --> 01:54:02,639
accept thirteen thousand grant award and

2771
01:54:02,639 --> 01:54:05,119
uh to create historical

2772
01:54:05,119 --> 01:54:06,400
oh okay

2773
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:23,510
thank you mr epstein that's okay

2774
01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:26,880
um so this is this was a 13 000 grant

2775
01:54:26,880 --> 01:54:28,960
award um to create historic design

2776
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:30,639
guidelines through the office of parks

2777
01:54:30,639 --> 01:54:33,280
recreation and historic preservation um

2778
01:54:33,280 --> 01:54:34,960
so these guidelines will be used to

2779
01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:36,480
provide information and guidance for

2780
01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:38,719
residents who live in historic districts

2781
01:54:38,719 --> 01:54:40,800
on the different criteria that's

2782
01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:43,280
evaluated when they you know make a

2783
01:54:43,280 --> 01:54:45,280
change or

2784
01:54:45,280 --> 01:54:48,159
make repairs to their properties so it

2785
01:54:48,159 --> 01:54:50,080
kind of would just give more guidance

2786
01:54:50,080 --> 01:54:52,719
for the historic district commission to

2787
01:54:52,719 --> 01:54:54,960
i think kind of be less subjective and

2788
01:54:54,960 --> 01:54:56,880
have criteria and guidelines around the

2789
01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:58,560
way of intermission decisions and also

2790
01:54:58,560 --> 01:55:00,800
making that information available

2791
01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:02,560
to the property owners and residents who

2792
01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:03,520
live

2793
01:55:03,520 --> 01:55:05,520
within historic districts

2794
01:55:05,520 --> 01:55:06,320
so

2795
01:55:06,320 --> 01:55:08,080
the recommendation here is a resolution

2796
01:55:08,080 --> 01:55:10,080
from the city council authorizing

2797
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:11,679
basically just the acceptance of these

2798
01:55:11,679 --> 01:55:12,960
grant funds

2799
01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:15,360
not to exceed thirteen thousand dollars

2800
01:55:15,360 --> 01:55:17,599
and authorize the mayor his doesn't need

2801
01:55:17,599 --> 01:55:20,000
to enter the agreement to effectuate

2802
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:22,080
this resolution

2803
01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:24,159
and just further clarify the only food

2804
01:55:24,159 --> 01:55:26,239
private is the like the sixteen hundred

2805
01:55:26,239 --> 01:55:28,320
seventy hundred dollars in form of staff

2806
01:55:28,320 --> 01:55:30,320
so there's no there's no past math

2807
01:55:30,320 --> 01:55:35,350
correct match

2808
01:55:35,360 --> 01:55:37,119
so

2809
01:55:37,119 --> 01:55:39,679
if we move forward with this

2810
01:55:39,679 --> 01:55:42,000
we then would probably though have an

2811
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:43,520
opportunity it would come back to

2812
01:55:43,520 --> 01:55:47,040
council to approve whatever the design

2813
01:55:47,040 --> 01:55:49,280
guidelines are that are developed the

2814
01:55:49,280 --> 01:55:51,280
design guidelines would then become part

2815
01:55:51,280 --> 01:55:52,719
of its own poem

2816
01:55:52,719 --> 01:55:53,599
and

2817
01:55:53,599 --> 01:55:55,440
i believe we

2818
01:55:55,440 --> 01:55:57,199
have to come back to get those adopted

2819
01:55:57,199 --> 01:55:58,800
so this would just be to kind of start

2820
01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:00,880
that process and then they would have to

2821
01:56:00,880 --> 01:56:06,070
be added to the zoning code

2822
01:56:06,080 --> 01:56:07,520
that's the farthest

2823
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:09,199
yeah i was just microphones aren't

2824
01:56:09,199 --> 01:56:10,639
because there are existing guidelines

2825
01:56:10,639 --> 01:56:15,040
right now right so and how would that be

2826
01:56:15,040 --> 01:56:17,440
yeah there there are and obviously a

2827
01:56:17,440 --> 01:56:19,280
little bit more about this it's just

2828
01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:21,920
very broad so a lot of the language

2829
01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:24,560
that's currently used is really just

2830
01:56:24,560 --> 01:56:26,320
like from this

2831
01:56:26,320 --> 01:56:29,520
it's not specific to schenectady until

2832
01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:31,679
it's the things that we have here what

2833
01:56:31,679 --> 01:56:33,520
we have in the code right now is fairly

2834
01:56:33,520 --> 01:56:36,400
general uh really specifies of what's

2835
01:56:36,400 --> 01:56:38,639
you know certain terms but it doesn't

2836
01:56:38,639 --> 01:56:41,199
define everything it doesn't um provide

2837
01:56:41,199 --> 01:56:43,920
as much context i'm sure like what

2838
01:56:43,920 --> 01:56:45,360
characterizes certain

2839
01:56:45,360 --> 01:56:47,920
uh historic areas within the city the

2840
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:50,400
design guidelines um

2841
01:56:50,400 --> 01:56:51,840
so we have design guidelines for like

2842
01:56:51,840 --> 01:56:53,679
upper union

2843
01:56:53,679 --> 01:56:55,520
corridor so

2844
01:56:55,520 --> 01:56:57,920
they are referenced in the zoning code

2845
01:56:57,920 --> 01:56:59,360
so that they apply

2846
01:56:59,360 --> 01:57:01,119
um but the

2847
01:57:01,119 --> 01:57:02,560
body of that language isn't actually in

2848
01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:04,320
the code so we just have a section that

2849
01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:05,119
says

2850
01:57:05,119 --> 01:57:06,159
you know these

2851
01:57:06,159 --> 01:57:07,360
guidelines

2852
01:57:07,360 --> 01:57:08,639
are applicable

2853
01:57:08,639 --> 01:57:09,840
so something similar would have to

2854
01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:11,840
happen after we were created the design

2855
01:57:11,840 --> 01:57:13,360
guidelines where

2856
01:57:13,360 --> 01:57:15,360
there's a sentence that refers

2857
01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:17,199
in the zoning code to the design

2858
01:57:17,199 --> 01:57:21,189
guidelines themselves

2859
01:57:21,199 --> 01:57:24,480
other questions

2860
01:57:24,480 --> 01:57:25,520
okay

2861
01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:27,440
and 10 motions accept the ground

2862
01:57:27,440 --> 01:57:30,880
so we'll second all is in favor hi

2863
01:57:30,880 --> 01:57:32,400
thank you thank you

2864
01:57:32,400 --> 01:57:34,639
yeah so i'll tell you that

2865
01:57:34,639 --> 01:57:36,239
okay

2866
01:57:36,239 --> 01:57:38,400
all right the next item on the agenda is

2867
01:57:38,400 --> 01:57:39,920
the discussion of the review committee

2868
01:57:39,920 --> 01:57:42,400
for the arba applications

2869
01:57:42,400 --> 01:57:45,119
so just uh i'm sure you all know that we

2870
01:57:45,119 --> 01:57:47,760
you know got it uh we're getting 53

2871
01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:49,199
million half of the money

2872
01:57:49,199 --> 01:57:51,599
we have already received

2873
01:57:51,599 --> 01:57:54,000
um and part of our when we weren't doing

2874
01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:56,800
our tour we um well i'll say i but you

2875
01:57:56,800 --> 01:57:57,599
know

2876
01:57:57,599 --> 01:58:00,159
continually advocated to try to have

2877
01:58:00,159 --> 01:58:02,560
people included from the community in

2878
01:58:02,560 --> 01:58:04,960
terms of our review process

2879
01:58:04,960 --> 01:58:07,119
so um that's so this is what this is

2880
01:58:07,119 --> 01:58:09,360
about putting that um committee together

2881
01:58:09,360 --> 01:58:11,520
and what that looks like and um and how

2882
01:58:11,520 --> 01:58:14,719
we do that so i'll ask mr just to tell

2883
01:58:14,719 --> 01:58:17,599
um from the development um department

2884
01:58:17,599 --> 01:58:19,199
where they are with the applications

2885
01:58:19,199 --> 01:58:21,360
right now the number

2886
01:58:21,360 --> 01:58:23,520
the the amount being requested the

2887
01:58:23,520 --> 01:58:26,639
amount we basically have to expend in

2888
01:58:26,639 --> 01:58:28,239
this particular round

2889
01:58:28,239 --> 01:58:30,000
sure so we've been kind of going through

2890
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:34,080
an american probably explains you know

2891
01:58:34,080 --> 01:58:35,920
more along the lines of like the amount

2892
01:58:35,920 --> 01:58:37,520
of funding and stuff but right now we've

2893
01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:39,840
received i think it was just over 70

2894
01:58:39,840 --> 01:58:41,440
applications and we've kind of just been

2895
01:58:41,440 --> 01:58:44,480
categorizing them into different um

2896
01:58:44,480 --> 01:58:46,719
basically just different categories so

2897
01:58:46,719 --> 01:58:48,880
we have like the arts youth workforce

2898
01:58:48,880 --> 01:58:50,560
and economic development

2899
01:58:50,560 --> 01:58:52,639
facilities and infrastructure

2900
01:58:52,639 --> 01:58:54,719
food and health and then housing

2901
01:58:54,719 --> 01:58:57,440
um so we've just been kind of working on

2902
01:58:57,440 --> 01:59:00,000
getting those into categories to be able

2903
01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:03,199
to evaluate internally um so we did come

2904
01:59:03,199 --> 01:59:05,040
up with an internal kind of like just

2905
01:59:05,040 --> 01:59:07,040
criteria to start to look at the

2906
01:59:07,040 --> 01:59:08,880
applications and do that internal

2907
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:11,440
evaluation that we can then use to make

2908
01:59:11,440 --> 01:59:12,960
recommendations

2909
01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:15,840
um around you know projects that we

2910
01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:18,560
think are are suitable for the funding

2911
01:59:18,560 --> 01:59:19,440
um

2912
01:59:19,440 --> 01:59:20,719
in terms of

2913
01:59:20,719 --> 01:59:23,840
the amount available i would defer to

2914
01:59:23,840 --> 01:59:41,669
them

2915
01:59:41,679 --> 01:59:44,080
allocated with the city council and what

2916
01:59:44,080 --> 01:59:45,280
we have spent

2917
01:59:45,280 --> 01:59:47,760
uh i did this really quick so that's why

2918
01:59:47,760 --> 01:59:49,360
there's not too many

2919
01:59:49,360 --> 01:59:50,719
titles on here

2920
01:59:50,719 --> 01:59:52,000
okay

2921
01:59:52,000 --> 01:59:53,679
passed out

2922
01:59:53,679 --> 01:59:55,599
the first cop the first columnist you

2923
01:59:55,599 --> 01:59:57,679
can look at that's that's the amount of

2924
01:59:57,679 --> 01:59:59,440
the budgeted amount that was uh

2925
01:59:59,440 --> 02:00:01,920
allocated it's 8.9 million the lost

2926
02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:03,119
revenue

2927
02:00:03,119 --> 02:00:08,320
uh the 2021 uh uh job allocation budget

2928
02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:10,960
boys and girls club on and on that's a

2929
02:00:10,960 --> 02:00:13,199
and uh the bottom line 4.6 million

2930
02:00:13,199 --> 02:00:15,119
that's for the 2022 budget that was

2931
02:00:15,119 --> 02:00:16,480
allocated

2932
02:00:16,480 --> 02:00:18,800
so that total right there is 15 million

2933
02:00:18,800 --> 02:00:23,440
255. the second column 784 000 is what

2934
02:00:23,440 --> 02:00:26,960
we actually have spent so far from uh up

2935
02:00:26,960 --> 02:00:28,239
to today

2936
02:00:28,239 --> 02:00:29,920
uh i put a balance in there but that

2937
02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:31,840
balance is really you know

2938
02:00:31,840 --> 02:00:33,520
back there because like i said

2939
02:00:33,520 --> 02:00:35,119
like just today we just passed that at

2940
02:00:35,119 --> 02:00:36,800
one point you know he's not a budget for

2941
02:00:36,800 --> 02:00:38,639
the loss of revenue

2942
02:00:38,639 --> 02:00:41,920
and uh the what do you call the covid

2943
02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:44,400
job for 2022 we you know we haven't even

2944
02:00:44,400 --> 02:00:47,040
started yet so that balance uh the one

2945
02:00:47,040 --> 02:00:48,880
really to look at is the

2946
02:00:48,880 --> 02:00:51,840
2021 budget cal allocation for job

2947
02:00:51,840 --> 02:00:53,840
retention because we actually went

2948
02:00:53,840 --> 02:00:56,800
through we so far we've uh designated

2949
02:00:56,800 --> 02:00:58,239
1.4 million

2950
02:00:58,239 --> 02:01:01,440
we definitely know we spent 523 000 but

2951
02:01:01,440 --> 02:01:03,440
as we go through the period for audits

2952
02:01:03,440 --> 02:01:05,440
and stuff like that when we redo it so

2953
02:01:05,440 --> 02:01:07,040
this is a kind of like spurt of moment

2954
02:01:07,040 --> 02:01:11,119
thing so that 900 000 is

2955
02:01:11,119 --> 02:01:13,840
we figured is about available to move on

2956
02:01:13,840 --> 02:01:15,040
to next year

2957
02:01:15,040 --> 02:01:18,000
for the next process uh so so far we did

2958
02:01:18,000 --> 02:01:21,840
receive 26 million dollars 485 at 899

2959
02:01:21,840 --> 02:01:23,840
and we're we're due to receive another

2960
02:01:23,840 --> 02:01:27,040
26 million in um

2961
02:01:27,040 --> 02:01:29,599
in may of 2022

2962
02:01:29,599 --> 02:01:32,080
uh so we figured totally uh between

2963
02:01:32,080 --> 02:01:33,840
those those two amounts we should have

2964
02:01:33,840 --> 02:01:34,880
about

2965
02:01:34,880 --> 02:01:37,920
38 million 646

2966
02:01:37,920 --> 02:01:41,280
to uh to allocate

2967
02:01:41,280 --> 02:01:43,679
so this year

2968
02:01:43,679 --> 02:01:45,440
yeah after we received the money in may

2969
02:01:45,440 --> 02:01:47,760
of 2022. for this year you know with the

2970
02:01:47,760 --> 02:01:49,920
26 million we got right now uh we're

2971
02:01:49,920 --> 02:01:51,520
looking at uh

2972
02:01:51,520 --> 02:01:53,199
11 million two hundred thirty thousand

2973
02:01:53,199 --> 02:01:55,760
one hundred fourteen plus the other nine

2974
02:01:55,760 --> 02:01:57,440
hundred eight thousand where i think

2975
02:01:57,440 --> 02:01:59,280
we're going to have available after we

2976
02:01:59,280 --> 02:02:01,599
do that gives us a total for that first

2977
02:02:01,599 --> 02:02:03,119
thing of twelve million one hundred

2978
02:02:03,119 --> 02:02:04,400
thirty eight thousand

2979
02:02:04,400 --> 02:02:07,360
one hundred and fourteen dollars

2980
02:02:07,360 --> 02:02:09,599
okay

2981
02:02:09,599 --> 02:02:11,440
so that's um you know what we're talking

2982
02:02:11,440 --> 02:02:13,920
about in terms of these um applications

2983
02:02:13,920 --> 02:02:16,560
but the application amounts are well

2984
02:02:16,560 --> 02:02:20,590
over

2985
02:02:20,600 --> 02:02:21,840
[Music]

2986
02:02:21,840 --> 02:02:23,520
right so right now there's 80 million

2987
02:02:23,520 --> 02:02:25,920
and asked so just wanted to uh you know

2988
02:02:25,920 --> 02:02:27,280
give you that

2989
02:02:27,280 --> 02:02:29,840
background and also every all council

2990
02:02:29,840 --> 02:02:32,880
members received an email on january 6th

2991
02:02:32,880 --> 02:02:34,239
which gave us

2992
02:02:34,239 --> 02:02:37,119
links to go to what the final

2993
02:02:37,119 --> 02:02:38,719
recommendations are or final ways that

2994
02:02:38,719 --> 02:02:40,159
we could use the money so there was you

2995
02:02:40,159 --> 02:02:41,760
know everybody had had access to that

2996
02:02:41,760 --> 02:02:43,440
and i believe we all actually

2997
02:02:43,440 --> 02:02:47,119
also got the um the email with listing

2998
02:02:47,119 --> 02:02:49,280
from mr sutherland listing um the

2999
02:02:49,280 --> 02:02:51,520
projects did everyone get them right so

3000
02:02:51,520 --> 02:02:53,360
listing the projects and what they were

3001
02:02:53,360 --> 02:02:56,320
so this is where we are now and so um

3002
02:02:56,320 --> 02:02:58,000
getting back to and obviously once we

3003
02:02:58,000 --> 02:02:59,599
get there we'll that'll all be go

3004
02:02:59,599 --> 02:03:01,679
through finance in terms of us

3005
02:03:01,679 --> 02:03:03,520
doing the funding but working with the

3006
02:03:03,520 --> 02:03:05,280
department of development

3007
02:03:05,280 --> 02:03:06,560
um so

3008
02:03:06,560 --> 02:03:08,320
having said that we will try to get

3009
02:03:08,320 --> 02:03:11,040
community engagement on this um mr moody

3010
02:03:11,040 --> 02:03:12,400
aaron do you want to talk about the

3011
02:03:12,400 --> 02:03:14,719
steps that you've taken so far well yeah

3012
02:03:14,719 --> 02:03:16,960
thank you madam president yeah i had the

3013
02:03:16,960 --> 02:03:19,360
opportunity to reach out to this

3014
02:03:19,360 --> 02:03:21,679
united neighborhood uh president

3015
02:03:21,679 --> 02:03:22,880
tom kerry

3016
02:03:22,880 --> 02:03:24,560
and he was

3017
02:03:24,560 --> 02:03:26,159
willing to help us to get all the

3018
02:03:26,159 --> 02:03:28,480
neighborhood leaders a representative

3019
02:03:28,480 --> 02:03:30,239
from each of the neighborhood

3020
02:03:30,239 --> 02:03:32,000
we're actually compiling that list now

3021
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:34,159
we should have it in a day or two

3022
02:03:34,159 --> 02:03:35,760
and able to present it to the entire

3023
02:03:35,760 --> 02:03:38,480
council in a couple days all the names

3024
02:03:38,480 --> 02:03:40,880
from each neighborhood that will be part

3025
02:03:40,880 --> 02:03:43,199
of this advisory group

3026
02:03:43,199 --> 02:03:44,560
that will help us to review this

3027
02:03:44,560 --> 02:03:46,719
application

3028
02:03:46,719 --> 02:03:48,719
i encourage on the council if you have

3029
02:03:48,719 --> 02:03:51,440
any names please please submit it so uh

3030
02:03:51,440 --> 02:03:53,599
not a president

3031
02:03:53,599 --> 02:03:55,199
yes because at those meetings there were

3032
02:03:55,199 --> 02:03:56,880
some people right in the room that said

3033
02:03:56,880 --> 02:03:58,079
i'd like to be a part of it that aren't

3034
02:03:58,079 --> 02:04:00,079
necessarily um connected to neighborhood

3035
02:04:00,079 --> 02:04:03,040
associations so what mr um

3036
02:04:03,040 --> 02:04:04,800
mr kerry has submitted to us and let me

3037
02:04:04,800 --> 02:04:06,880
just say he couldn't come tonight he was

3038
02:04:06,880 --> 02:04:08,239
wanting to be on his own to have this

3039
02:04:08,239 --> 02:04:11,520
discussion however he was um

3040
02:04:11,520 --> 02:04:13,440
he was uh

3041
02:04:13,440 --> 02:04:15,280
some he came in contact with someone who

3042
02:04:15,280 --> 02:04:18,159
was uh positive with toby so he's in

3043
02:04:18,159 --> 02:04:20,159
good quarantine and chose not to come

3044
02:04:20,159 --> 02:04:22,560
here which i'm very happy about

3045
02:04:22,560 --> 02:04:24,880
even though he tested uh he did he did

3046
02:04:24,880 --> 02:04:26,719
test but he wasn't positive but uh you

3047
02:04:26,719 --> 02:04:28,800
know airing on the side of caution he's

3048
02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:30,719
quarantined so that's why he is not here

3049
02:04:30,719 --> 02:04:33,520
tonight um so i'm not sure if you're

3050
02:04:33,520 --> 02:04:36,239
here okay so um

3051
02:04:36,239 --> 02:04:38,480
so that's so but he did he did reach out

3052
02:04:38,480 --> 02:04:39,760
he did submit some names there are other

3053
02:04:39,760 --> 02:04:42,800
people who also would like to um

3054
02:04:42,800 --> 02:04:44,719
you know be a part of it um some of the

3055
02:04:44,719 --> 02:04:46,639
questions that he said there's a number

3056
02:04:46,639 --> 02:04:47,679
of questions that came through what

3057
02:04:47,679 --> 02:04:49,679
their uh what their role would be and

3058
02:04:49,679 --> 02:04:50,960
there's just a number of questions so

3059
02:04:50,960 --> 02:04:52,079
there's a lot of things the council have

3060
02:04:52,079 --> 02:04:54,480
to work out along with the mayor and uh

3061
02:04:54,480 --> 02:04:55,920
developments who worked with the

3062
02:04:55,920 --> 02:04:58,159
parameters of review would be

3063
02:04:58,159 --> 02:04:59,199
um

3064
02:04:59,199 --> 02:05:00,480
so i think that's where we you know

3065
02:05:00,480 --> 02:05:01,920
that's where we are now just developing

3066
02:05:01,920 --> 02:05:03,760
this committee and um and how the

3067
02:05:03,760 --> 02:05:06,079
application process in terms of review

3068
02:05:06,079 --> 02:05:07,920
would work how many people would be on

3069
02:05:07,920 --> 02:05:09,119
the committee

3070
02:05:09,119 --> 02:05:10,079
and with their roles and

3071
02:05:10,079 --> 02:05:11,599
responsibilities i had some brief

3072
02:05:11,599 --> 02:05:13,360
conversations with the mayor so you know

3073
02:05:13,360 --> 02:05:14,800
we would work with the department of

3074
02:05:14,800 --> 02:05:19,040
development how we make sure that we not only have people that are

3075
02:05:19,040 --> 02:05:21,280
interested but also people that have

3076
02:05:21,280 --> 02:05:23,440
that skill set and i i mean you don't

3077
02:05:23,440 --> 02:05:27,679
have to be um have a degree in reviewing grants or have

3078
02:05:27,679 --> 02:05:29,119
done it you know forever or something

3079
02:05:29,119 --> 02:05:31,119
like that but you know having input from

3080
02:05:31,119 --> 02:05:32,320
the community i think is vital and

3081
02:05:32,320 --> 02:05:33,599
important which is why we're going down

3082
02:05:33,599 --> 02:05:34,480
this road

3083
02:05:34,480 --> 02:05:35,360
so right now we're just trying to

3084
02:05:35,360 --> 02:05:37,440
develop that committee to um to move

3085
02:05:37,440 --> 02:05:39,520
forward and and us to

3086
02:05:39,520 --> 02:05:40,719
you know i'm not sure what our timeline

3087
02:05:40,719 --> 02:05:41,920
is going to be in case that's the

3088
02:05:41,920 --> 02:05:44,639
question but uh as quickly as possible

3089
02:05:44,639 --> 02:05:46,639
to organize the committee

3090
02:05:46,639 --> 02:05:49,599
to talk with the council and together um

3091
02:05:49,599 --> 02:05:51,199
us you know be able to review the

3092
02:05:51,199 --> 02:05:53,679
applications and allocate the remaining

3093
02:05:53,679 --> 02:05:56,870
funds

3094
02:05:56,880 --> 02:05:59,040
are there questions concerns mr calamity

3095
02:05:59,040 --> 02:06:01,360
yeah a couple things first i find it

3096
02:06:01,360 --> 02:06:04,079
very troubling that

3097
02:06:04,079 --> 02:06:04,880
the

3098
02:06:04,880 --> 02:06:07,040
organization

3099
02:06:07,040 --> 02:06:09,840
was approached before the council even

3100
02:06:09,840 --> 02:06:12,239
discussed whether or not we would put

3101
02:06:12,239 --> 02:06:14,840
together a committee to look at the

3102
02:06:14,840 --> 02:06:17,440
applications that to me is very

3103
02:06:17,440 --> 02:06:18,639
troubling

3104
02:06:18,639 --> 02:06:19,760
that

3105
02:06:19,760 --> 02:06:22,880
the council as a whole did not discuss

3106
02:06:22,880 --> 02:06:24,560
and approve that

3107
02:06:24,560 --> 02:06:26,480
so that's the first thing

3108
02:06:26,480 --> 02:06:27,679
secondly

3109
02:06:27,679 --> 02:06:29,840
it's my understanding a committee list

3110
02:06:29,840 --> 02:06:32,239
has already been submitted and is going

3111
02:06:32,239 --> 02:06:33,520
around

3112
02:06:33,520 --> 02:06:34,639
there's some names that have been

3113
02:06:34,639 --> 02:06:36,239
suggested that's not that does not make

3114
02:06:36,239 --> 02:06:37,840
up the committee that's what we're here

3115
02:06:37,840 --> 02:06:39,840
discussing those are names that were

3116
02:06:39,840 --> 02:06:41,199
submitted and at the last committee

3117
02:06:41,199 --> 02:06:43,280
meeting we did talk about it and so no

3118
02:06:43,280 --> 02:06:44,400
that we did not take a vote but

3119
02:06:44,400 --> 02:06:45,840
certainly there was discussion that

3120
02:06:45,840 --> 02:06:47,840
there will be a committee put together

3121
02:06:47,840 --> 02:06:50,560
it was discussion but the idea was for

3122
02:06:50,560 --> 02:06:52,639
all of us to come together

3123
02:06:52,639 --> 02:06:54,880
and decide whether or not

3124
02:06:54,880 --> 02:06:56,800
and i don't really have any particular

3125
02:06:56,800 --> 02:06:59,119
problem with having committees

3126
02:06:59,119 --> 02:07:02,639
but it was decided based on one or two

3127
02:07:02,639 --> 02:07:05,119
people to do this

3128
02:07:05,119 --> 02:07:06,159
and that

3129
02:07:06,159 --> 02:07:08,400
in my opinion is incorrect it's just not

3130
02:07:08,400 --> 02:07:10,000
right

3131
02:07:10,000 --> 02:07:12,320
and so moving forward hopefully those

3132
02:07:12,320 --> 02:07:15,280
discussions do happen in public

3133
02:07:15,280 --> 02:07:17,760
so that the entire council can

3134
02:07:17,760 --> 02:07:20,079
make that decision together so that we

3135
02:07:20,079 --> 02:07:22,320
can have a stronger

3136
02:07:22,320 --> 02:07:25,040
process going forward and i will say i

3137
02:07:25,040 --> 02:07:26,880
have received the email

3138
02:07:26,880 --> 02:07:29,440
that the committee has been deciding

3139
02:07:29,440 --> 02:07:32,239
maybe not fully but there's certainly

3140
02:07:32,239 --> 02:07:34,239
neighborhood representations that have

3141
02:07:34,239 --> 02:07:36,719
been suggested that this they call the

3142
02:07:36,719 --> 02:07:38,639
committee well they they can put

3143
02:07:38,639 --> 02:07:40,960
whatever name on it but that decision as

3144
02:07:40,960 --> 02:07:42,400
i'm saying here today is the decision

3145
02:07:42,400 --> 02:07:43,920
that we make

3146
02:07:43,920 --> 02:07:45,520
because there are some people who have

3147
02:07:45,520 --> 02:07:47,520
asked to be on there who are not on the

3148
02:07:47,520 --> 02:07:49,440
list of people that have been suggested

3149
02:07:49,440 --> 02:07:51,679
so that is not a done deal it is

3150
02:07:51,679 --> 02:07:53,679
absolutely not the first step is to even

3151
02:07:53,679 --> 02:07:54,880
decide whether or not we're going to

3152
02:07:54,880 --> 02:07:56,800
have a committee before we even decide

3153
02:07:56,800 --> 02:07:58,800
who's on the committee and that had

3154
02:07:58,800 --> 02:08:00,719
never been done so if you feel like that

3155
02:08:00,719 --> 02:08:02,400
i feel like that we were through that

3156
02:08:02,400 --> 02:08:03,760
process but if you feel like we haven't

3157
02:08:03,760 --> 02:08:05,440
there's a certain discussion we can have

3158
02:08:05,440 --> 02:08:07,599
it's uh something that was advocated for

3159
02:08:07,599 --> 02:08:08,400
so

3160
02:08:08,400 --> 02:08:09,760
um and i think we should move forward

3161
02:08:09,760 --> 02:08:11,280
but if you feel like we need to make

3162
02:08:11,280 --> 02:08:13,760
that official um motion in order to do

3163
02:08:13,760 --> 02:08:14,960
that

3164
02:08:14,960 --> 02:08:17,360
then certainly let's do it yeah i do

3165
02:08:17,360 --> 02:08:20,159
because it wasn't this we talked talked

3166
02:08:20,159 --> 02:08:22,880
about possible things that we might do

3167
02:08:22,880 --> 02:08:25,520
that was one option it was never decided

3168
02:08:25,520 --> 02:08:27,360
except for in the minds of maybe two

3169
02:08:27,360 --> 02:08:29,520
individuals and that that is not

3170
02:08:29,520 --> 02:08:31,599
appropriate in my mind well i think

3171
02:08:31,599 --> 02:08:33,920
there's a mind more than two however so

3172
02:08:33,920 --> 02:08:36,000
if you want to at this point discuss

3173
02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:37,119
whether or not we need to have a

3174
02:08:37,119 --> 02:08:38,400
committee we can have that discussion

3175
02:08:38,400 --> 02:08:39,840
now and we can

3176
02:08:39,840 --> 02:08:40,639
um

3177
02:08:40,639 --> 02:08:44,950
yes detour

3178
02:08:44,960 --> 02:08:47,599
field so anyway if it was discussed in

3179
02:08:47,599 --> 02:08:50,639
the mind the more than two

3180
02:08:50,639 --> 02:08:52,079
council

3181
02:08:52,079 --> 02:08:53,760
um persons

3182
02:08:53,760 --> 02:08:58,560
who were the more than two um because i know i wasn't approached at all

3183
02:08:58,560 --> 02:09:01,199
regarding if um and

3184
02:09:01,199 --> 02:09:08,310
regarding well i thought

3185
02:09:08,320 --> 02:09:10,639
i know the mayor um said something like

3186
02:09:10,639 --> 02:09:13,440
well that's up to the to the council

3187
02:09:13,440 --> 02:09:15,119
that was all that was said and then the

3188
02:09:15,119 --> 02:09:17,040
last meeting i said we'll go ahead we'll

3189
02:09:17,040 --> 02:09:18,400
go forward and start looking forward and

3190
02:09:18,400 --> 02:09:20,400
i didn't i didn't hear that i'm sorry

3191
02:09:20,400 --> 02:09:23,520
but i was never approached um so who was

3192
02:09:23,520 --> 02:09:25,040
because here's the opportunity at this

3193
02:09:25,040 --> 02:09:26,840
point what i said is

3194
02:09:26,840 --> 02:09:29,679
people there as some some other people

3195
02:09:29,679 --> 02:09:31,280
have come to me and what i'm saying that

3196
02:09:31,280 --> 02:09:33,360
this is not a done deal and that there's

3197
02:09:33,360 --> 02:09:34,880
names mr mcvaren said if there's names

3198
02:09:34,880 --> 02:09:36,239
that you would like to submit let's do

3199
02:09:36,239 --> 02:09:38,790
that

3200
02:09:38,800 --> 02:09:39,920
yes

3201
02:09:39,920 --> 02:09:41,040
will you actually have your hand over

3202
02:09:41,040 --> 02:09:42,000
there

3203
02:09:42,000 --> 02:09:44,159
well i do want to say um

3204
02:09:44,159 --> 02:09:46,079
seeing a list of names that have already

3205
02:09:46,079 --> 02:09:47,760
been submitted

3206
02:09:47,760 --> 02:09:49,920
via email as a committee and i hear what

3207
02:09:49,920 --> 02:09:50,960
you're saying

3208
02:09:50,960 --> 02:09:51,920
um

3209
02:09:51,920 --> 02:09:53,760
i want to make sure i think that we're

3210
02:09:53,760 --> 02:09:56,480
way a few steps back before we do

3211
02:09:56,480 --> 02:09:58,159
actually have a committee because i

3212
02:09:58,159 --> 02:10:00,000
think there really has to be guidelines

3213
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:02,800
i'm not i think i expressed after our

3214
02:10:02,800 --> 02:10:03,679
meeting

3215
02:10:03,679 --> 02:10:05,599
last last time after a committee meeting

3216
02:10:05,599 --> 02:10:07,199
first of all that i thought that it

3217
02:10:07,199 --> 02:10:08,639
wasn't really appropriate for city

3218
02:10:08,639 --> 02:10:09,920
development and planning that it was

3219
02:10:09,920 --> 02:10:12,719
more appropriate that this agenda item

3220
02:10:12,719 --> 02:10:14,239
go through finance i know that mr

3221
02:10:14,239 --> 02:10:16,239
muniveron agreed with me on that but

3222
02:10:16,239 --> 02:10:17,599
that was after our committee meeting

3223
02:10:17,599 --> 02:10:19,280
last time just because it is the

3224
02:10:19,280 --> 02:10:21,599
appropriation of money

3225
02:10:21,599 --> 02:10:23,040
i felt that it was more appropriate to

3226
02:10:23,040 --> 02:10:25,920
go through finance but i also feel

3227
02:10:25,920 --> 02:10:28,880
that given the fact that

3228
02:10:28,880 --> 02:10:31,360
among all the projects on that list are

3229
02:10:31,360 --> 02:10:34,400
many city projects that

3230
02:10:34,400 --> 02:10:35,920
you know i know i'm going to advocate

3231
02:10:35,920 --> 02:10:37,920
strongly for

3232
02:10:37,920 --> 02:10:39,440
some of the city projects actually

3233
02:10:39,440 --> 02:10:40,960
happening

3234
02:10:40,960 --> 02:10:42,880
right now we're at about

3235
02:10:42,880 --> 02:10:44,800
i forget what he just said um a little

3236
02:10:44,800 --> 02:10:46,800
bit over 12 million dollars that google

3237
02:10:46,800 --> 02:10:49,040
have left um in the first round i think

3238
02:10:49,040 --> 02:10:50,960
there's close to 80 million dollars on

3239
02:10:50,960 --> 02:10:52,320
that list

3240
02:10:52,320 --> 02:10:54,960
um i think we have to really take a step

3241
02:10:54,960 --> 02:10:58,400
back and make some decisions about

3242
02:10:58,400 --> 02:11:00,800
if there is a committee which projects

3243
02:11:00,800 --> 02:11:03,360
are committing to look at

3244
02:11:03,360 --> 02:11:05,040
if there is a committee

3245
02:11:05,040 --> 02:11:06,560
i want to really make sure that there's

3246
02:11:06,560 --> 02:11:08,880
nobody on that committee who has you

3247
02:11:08,880 --> 02:11:10,719
know already submitted letters of

3248
02:11:10,719 --> 02:11:12,719
support for certain projects

3249
02:11:12,719 --> 02:11:13,679
um

3250
02:11:13,679 --> 02:11:15,520
might be involved with certain projects

3251
02:11:15,520 --> 02:11:17,520
i mean i think that it's

3252
02:11:17,520 --> 02:11:19,360
right what's the word right

3253
02:11:19,360 --> 02:11:20,960
with the potential for conflict of

3254
02:11:20,960 --> 02:11:23,360
interest among that so i think we have

3255
02:11:23,360 --> 02:11:25,520
to really be careful about that as well

3256
02:11:25,520 --> 02:11:26,880
and then i think that there's projects

3257
02:11:26,880 --> 02:11:28,079
on the list

3258
02:11:28,079 --> 02:11:30,079
that don't fall into the guidelines of

3259
02:11:30,079 --> 02:11:31,840
the funding

3260
02:11:31,840 --> 02:11:33,840
and which also might overlap with

3261
02:11:33,840 --> 02:11:36,480
potential for cbpg funding

3262
02:11:36,480 --> 02:11:37,760
so i want us to really have a

3263
02:11:37,760 --> 02:11:40,159
conversation around that as well so that

3264
02:11:40,159 --> 02:11:42,800
we're not putting out to

3265
02:11:42,800 --> 02:11:43,920
a committee

3266
02:11:43,920 --> 02:11:46,560
um all these projects when in fact some

3267
02:11:46,560 --> 02:11:48,560
of them wouldn't even be projects that

3268
02:11:48,560 --> 02:11:50,960
we would consider funding so through our

3269
02:11:50,960 --> 02:11:52,719
yes so that is not that's not the plan

3270
02:11:52,719 --> 02:11:53,679
just saying these are all the things

3271
02:11:53,679 --> 02:11:55,119
i've been thinking about with and which

3272
02:11:55,119 --> 02:11:56,400
makes sense absolutely all it makes

3273
02:11:56,400 --> 02:11:57,760
sense which is not the plan we

3274
02:11:57,760 --> 02:11:59,360
understand that in-house we will have to

3275
02:11:59,360 --> 02:12:01,119
make those decisions and once we decide

3276
02:12:01,119 --> 02:12:03,199
which applications will be considered

3277
02:12:03,199 --> 02:12:04,320
the committee then reviews the

3278
02:12:04,320 --> 02:12:07,119
application so we would do that work and

3279
02:12:07,119 --> 02:12:08,560
as you said you've looked at the

3280
02:12:08,560 --> 02:12:10,400
applications and some of them clearly

3281
02:12:10,400 --> 02:12:12,159
it's not going to be 70 70 will not be

3282
02:12:12,159 --> 02:12:14,000
the number because some of them clearly

3283
02:12:14,000 --> 02:12:15,679
even just looking at it

3284
02:12:15,679 --> 02:12:17,840
um quickly you'll realize like well no

3285
02:12:17,840 --> 02:12:21,199
we can't fund that so that kind of work

3286
02:12:21,199 --> 02:12:23,920
would be done as it is done in-house but

3287
02:12:23,920 --> 02:12:25,599
the committee would then look at

3288
02:12:25,599 --> 02:12:27,599
applications that met the criteria based

3289
02:12:27,599 --> 02:12:29,199
on we know what the criteria is we all

3290
02:12:29,199 --> 02:12:31,760
have the documents the the developer

3291
02:12:31,760 --> 02:12:32,880
department of development has the

3292
02:12:32,880 --> 02:12:34,960
documents and then they would be

3293
02:12:34,960 --> 02:12:36,639
reviewed so this discussion today is

3294
02:12:36,639 --> 02:12:38,800
just talking about how we put together

3295
02:12:38,800 --> 02:12:40,159
the committee together to do that part

3296
02:12:40,159 --> 02:12:41,840
of it the committee does not make the

3297
02:12:41,840 --> 02:12:43,360
guidelines and stuff all that belongs to

3298
02:12:43,360 --> 02:12:45,599
the city the committee does not do that

3299
02:12:45,599 --> 02:12:49,990
so i just want to be clear on that

3300
02:12:50,000 --> 02:12:51,520
mr farley yeah well you kind of

3301
02:12:51,520 --> 02:12:53,119
clarified the point i was going to make

3302
02:12:53,119 --> 02:12:55,760
what the city owns

3303
02:12:55,760 --> 02:12:58,320
that i'm so i might um i i don't know

3304
02:12:58,320 --> 02:13:00,639
that this is the um

3305
02:13:00,639 --> 02:13:02,320
appropriate time to kind of raise this

3306
02:13:02,320 --> 02:13:03,440
uh

3307
02:13:03,440 --> 02:13:05,199
concern kind of request for some

3308
02:13:05,199 --> 02:13:07,360
thoughts around um the extending the

3309
02:13:07,360 --> 02:13:09,840
length of the application process

3310
02:13:09,840 --> 02:13:11,840
um i just think it's important that um

3311
02:13:11,840 --> 02:13:13,679
we recognize that this

3312
02:13:13,679 --> 02:13:16,960
was a really tight window um

3313
02:13:16,960 --> 02:13:19,040
during the pandemic and during the

3314
02:13:19,040 --> 02:13:20,560
holidays

3315
02:13:20,560 --> 02:13:22,000
for a lot of people

3316
02:13:22,000 --> 02:13:25,199
and um so i you know think that as we

3317
02:13:25,199 --> 02:13:26,480
figure out

3318
02:13:26,480 --> 02:13:28,159
you know is there going to be a

3319
02:13:28,159 --> 02:13:30,000
committee or not that's something that

3320
02:13:30,000 --> 02:13:32,239
you know we should probably factor in i

3321
02:13:32,239 --> 02:13:38,239
also uh uh think that the the final um

3322
02:13:38,239 --> 02:13:39,840
guidance was

3323
02:13:39,840 --> 02:13:43,100
released on the 26th i think

3324
02:13:43,100 --> 02:13:44,400
[Music]

3325
02:13:44,400 --> 02:13:46,960
the email came on january 6th january

3326
02:13:46,960 --> 02:13:51,840
but and that was after the application on the

3327
02:13:51,840 --> 02:13:54,079
initial application closed so i think

3328
02:13:54,079 --> 02:13:55,280
that you know

3329
02:13:55,280 --> 02:13:57,760
thinking about

3330
02:13:57,760 --> 02:13:59,920
the public and as they get information

3331
02:13:59,920 --> 02:14:01,599
and kind of determine whether or not

3332
02:14:01,599 --> 02:14:02,639
projects

3333
02:14:02,639 --> 02:14:04,239
that they have in mind

3334
02:14:04,239 --> 02:14:07,199
um fall under the uh

3335
02:14:07,199 --> 02:14:09,199
what was permissible for these funds

3336
02:14:09,199 --> 02:14:11,920
then i think that we really need to um

3337
02:14:11,920 --> 02:14:13,599
be really really intentional about

3338
02:14:13,599 --> 02:14:16,000
considering extending the application

3339
02:14:16,000 --> 02:14:18,079
process as well

3340
02:14:18,079 --> 02:14:20,550
so

3341
02:14:20,560 --> 02:14:21,520
this way

3342
02:14:21,520 --> 02:14:23,119
so i can speak into address just the

3343
02:14:23,119 --> 02:14:25,040
previous issues that were spoken to i

3344
02:14:25,040 --> 02:14:27,360
think well i've been recalling i think

3345
02:14:27,360 --> 02:14:29,040
i'd like to miss two or three of the

3346
02:14:29,040 --> 02:14:30,639
neighborhood meetings and conversations

3347
02:14:30,639 --> 02:14:32,960
regarding this topic um looking at the

3348
02:14:32,960 --> 02:14:35,199
final rules that were put in place with

3349
02:14:35,199 --> 02:14:36,880
this money one of which is fighting the

3350
02:14:36,880 --> 02:14:38,719
pandemic and supporting families and

3351
02:14:38,719 --> 02:14:40,960
businesses struggling with its public

3352
02:14:40,960 --> 02:14:42,400
health and economic

3353
02:14:42,400 --> 02:14:43,440
impacts

3354
02:14:43,440 --> 02:14:45,119
similarly one of the issues that was

3355
02:14:45,119 --> 02:14:47,199
continuously brought up at every meeting

3356
02:14:47,199 --> 02:14:48,960
was the involvement of the community and

3357
02:14:48,960 --> 02:14:50,880
having oversight from individuals

3358
02:14:50,880 --> 02:14:52,880
outside of our chambers

3359
02:14:52,880 --> 02:14:54,159
that was the expectation that i

3360
02:14:54,159 --> 02:14:55,440
continuously heard

3361
02:14:55,440 --> 02:14:57,760
so a theme without a further review i

3362
02:14:57,760 --> 02:14:59,599
would expect us to adhere to the

3363
02:14:59,599 --> 02:15:01,440
public's cry to have a voice on this

3364
02:15:01,440 --> 02:15:03,360
council or have a voice in these

3365
02:15:03,360 --> 02:15:05,199
conversations

3366
02:15:05,199 --> 02:15:07,280
addressing the second concerns where if

3367
02:15:07,280 --> 02:15:09,679
issues were

3368
02:15:09,679 --> 02:15:10,719
noticed

3369
02:15:10,719 --> 02:15:12,960
with the creation prematurely i was

3370
02:15:12,960 --> 02:15:14,400
having these conversations on the city

3371
02:15:14,400 --> 02:15:15,440
council

3372
02:15:15,440 --> 02:15:17,119
i would only ask that

3373
02:15:17,119 --> 02:15:19,280
when those were recognized that i don't

3374
02:15:19,280 --> 02:15:20,880
know if opportunities were made to reach

3375
02:15:20,880 --> 02:15:23,199
out to council president portfield to

3376
02:15:23,199 --> 02:15:24,719
provide some clarity before this

3377
02:15:24,719 --> 02:15:26,159
evening's meeting

3378
02:15:26,159 --> 02:15:28,400
but definitely i don't find any issues

3379
02:15:28,400 --> 02:15:29,280
or

3380
02:15:29,280 --> 02:15:31,280
ill will with them seeking

3381
02:15:31,280 --> 02:15:33,360
recommendations i understand that there

3382
02:15:33,360 --> 02:15:35,199
may be displeasure with individuals

3383
02:15:35,199 --> 02:15:37,920
choosing a different language that is

3384
02:15:37,920 --> 02:15:40,880
not in line with their

3385
02:15:40,880 --> 02:15:42,159
intent which was just getting

3386
02:15:42,159 --> 02:15:43,360
recommendations to bring forth to the

3387
02:15:43,360 --> 02:15:45,119
council unfortunately i imagine they

3388
02:15:45,119 --> 02:15:47,040
can't speak for what someone else said

3389
02:15:47,040 --> 02:15:49,280
but definitely the topic was to review

3390
02:15:49,280 --> 02:15:51,360
the committee assignments and i am

3391
02:15:51,360 --> 02:15:52,639
confident that

3392
02:15:52,639 --> 02:15:55,440
mrs porterfield was here to review any

3393
02:15:55,440 --> 02:15:57,840
issues or entertainment issues but

3394
02:15:57,840 --> 02:15:59,280
any recommendations that they are

3395
02:15:59,280 --> 02:16:00,960
bringing forward so

3396
02:16:00,960 --> 02:16:03,450
to answer mr pauline's question i again

3397
02:16:03,450 --> 02:16:12,470
[Music]

3398
02:16:12,480 --> 02:16:15,199
one way we can kind of like come be a

3399
02:16:15,199 --> 02:16:16,800
little more efficient and process look

3400
02:16:16,800 --> 02:16:18,719
at what's done look at the facts is

3401
02:16:18,719 --> 02:16:21,360
there a committee um have we have we

3402
02:16:21,360 --> 02:16:23,920
formed the committee right now no that

3403
02:16:23,920 --> 02:16:25,280
hasn't happened people have submitted

3404
02:16:25,280 --> 02:16:27,760
names all right so so then

3405
02:16:27,760 --> 02:16:29,760
something clearly that that hasn't that

3406
02:16:29,760 --> 02:16:31,199
hasn't happened that decision hasn't

3407
02:16:31,199 --> 02:16:33,040
been made so i think that that can kind

3408
02:16:33,040 --> 02:16:35,280
of alleviate any concerns around um

3409
02:16:35,280 --> 02:16:37,599
decisions being made even or every more

3410
02:16:37,599 --> 02:16:40,479
um but just wanting to uh counseling

3411
02:16:40,479 --> 02:16:44,709
that didn't happen

3412
02:16:44,719 --> 02:16:46,639
all right hear what you're saying man i

3413
02:16:46,639 --> 02:16:48,319
appreciate what you're saying

3414
02:16:48,319 --> 02:16:50,880
however the email that was going around

3415
02:16:50,880 --> 02:16:52,399
was they were asked to create a

3416
02:16:52,399 --> 02:16:53,439
committee

3417
02:16:53,439 --> 02:16:55,359
and they have done so

3418
02:16:55,359 --> 02:16:57,679
this was never decided by the council as

3419
02:16:57,679 --> 02:16:59,439
a whole i don't have

3420
02:16:59,439 --> 02:17:00,880
an issue

3421
02:17:00,880 --> 02:17:02,559
particularly with a committee being

3422
02:17:02,559 --> 02:17:03,679
formed

3423
02:17:03,679 --> 02:17:06,559
the issue is we did not discuss

3424
02:17:06,559 --> 02:17:09,439
and agree to that as a council

3425
02:17:09,439 --> 02:17:12,160
it was done by a few individuals

3426
02:17:12,160 --> 02:17:15,359
and those individuals contacted son

3427
02:17:15,359 --> 02:17:18,160
and son was asked to create a committee

3428
02:17:18,160 --> 02:17:22,160
they sent that out with individuals as

3429
02:17:22,160 --> 02:17:24,240
here's the committee now there may be

3430
02:17:24,240 --> 02:17:25,840
additional people

3431
02:17:25,840 --> 02:17:28,319
but that's what was going on that's the

3432
02:17:28,319 --> 02:17:29,679
problem i have

3433
02:17:29,679 --> 02:17:32,880
just to clarify i do take your

3434
02:17:32,880 --> 02:17:34,719
um comments

3435
02:17:34,719 --> 02:17:35,920
um

3436
02:17:35,920 --> 02:17:38,960
well attention and i yeah i agree with a

3437
02:17:38,960 --> 02:17:40,399
lot of what you're saying

3438
02:17:40,399 --> 02:17:42,479
but there's an appropriate process

3439
02:17:42,479 --> 02:17:44,319
and it wasn't followed that's the

3440
02:17:44,319 --> 02:17:46,399
problem so let me ask mr munimer did you

3441
02:17:46,399 --> 02:17:48,160
ask them for names or did you ask them

3442
02:17:48,160 --> 02:17:49,840
to make it specifically asked to submit

3443
02:17:49,840 --> 02:17:50,719
names

3444
02:17:50,719 --> 02:17:52,559
so the council could review

3445
02:17:52,559 --> 02:17:54,399
so if there was a misunderstanding for

3446
02:17:54,399 --> 02:17:56,479
ask as opposed to what was given that's

3447
02:17:56,479 --> 02:17:57,599
a different conversation because my

3448
02:17:57,599 --> 02:17:59,040
understanding there is no committee

3449
02:17:59,040 --> 02:18:00,880
there's simply names being

3450
02:18:00,880 --> 02:18:03,519
um submitted put it forward and as i

3451
02:18:03,519 --> 02:18:04,960
said there are other people whose names

3452
02:18:04,960 --> 02:18:06,800
are not on that list that i know that

3453
02:18:06,800 --> 02:18:08,319
have reached out to me that have said

3454
02:18:08,319 --> 02:18:10,639
i'd like to be a part of that so that to

3455
02:18:10,639 --> 02:18:12,000
me is not the committee's not being

3456
02:18:12,000 --> 02:18:14,880
formed and um

3457
02:18:14,880 --> 02:18:17,040
to miss patrick's point the there's this

3458
02:18:17,040 --> 02:18:20,479
will be a two-prong process as i said

3459
02:18:20,479 --> 02:18:22,160
we're working this is city development

3460
02:18:22,160 --> 02:18:23,599
playing so the city development planning

3461
02:18:23,599 --> 02:18:25,280
committee is working with development to

3462
02:18:25,280 --> 02:18:26,880
make sure that we get the process in

3463
02:18:26,880 --> 02:18:28,399
place and then the applications

3464
02:18:28,399 --> 02:18:30,800
themselves will be financed that yes

3465
02:18:30,800 --> 02:18:31,519
so

3466
02:18:31,519 --> 02:18:32,719
it's you know

3467
02:18:32,719 --> 02:18:35,040
let's just be clear that this is uh

3468
02:18:35,040 --> 02:18:36,559
something that's never happened in this

3469
02:18:36,559 --> 02:18:39,200
city before so are we creating

3470
02:18:39,200 --> 02:18:43,120
guidelines that we as we go for some that we have to so if there's been

3471
02:18:43,120 --> 02:18:45,760
missteps i apologize for that however

3472
02:18:45,760 --> 02:18:47,439
there's no ill intent

3473
02:18:47,439 --> 02:18:50,080
the only intent is to make sure that the

3474
02:18:50,080 --> 02:18:51,760
city residents

3475
02:18:51,760 --> 02:18:53,280
voices are herd

3476
02:18:53,280 --> 02:18:55,599
and that we try to to our to the best of

3477
02:18:55,599 --> 02:18:56,719
our ability to make sure that that

3478
02:18:56,719 --> 02:18:57,679
happens

3479
02:18:57,679 --> 02:18:58,559
so

3480
02:18:58,559 --> 02:18:59,359
um

3481
02:18:59,359 --> 02:19:01,679
so at this point in time i will have a

3482
02:19:01,679 --> 02:19:03,920
roll call and for those who are in favor

3483
02:19:03,920 --> 02:19:05,920
of creating or not committing to

3484
02:19:05,920 --> 02:19:06,880
creating

3485
02:19:06,880 --> 02:19:09,280
a committee to review the our

3486
02:19:09,280 --> 02:19:11,439
applications so that we make sure that

3487
02:19:11,439 --> 02:19:13,439
everyone is on record to where they

3488
02:19:13,439 --> 02:19:15,120
stand on this particular issue can i

3489
02:19:15,120 --> 02:19:16,800
just ask one more question

3490
02:19:16,800 --> 02:19:18,960
um so

3491
02:19:18,960 --> 02:19:20,639
and i know i'm jumping the gun on a

3492
02:19:20,639 --> 02:19:23,200
straw pole here but um

3493
02:19:23,200 --> 02:19:25,040
because i also would love to be able to

3494
02:19:25,040 --> 02:19:26,800
if we are going to have a committee then

3495
02:19:26,800 --> 02:19:28,399
i think each of us should be able to

3496
02:19:28,399 --> 02:19:29,200
also

3497
02:19:29,200 --> 02:19:30,960
submit names and

3498
02:19:30,960 --> 02:19:33,040
um absolutely you know of people that

3499
02:19:33,040 --> 02:19:34,800
would be on the committee

3500
02:19:34,800 --> 02:19:36,639
uh as well so i just wanted to make that

3501
02:19:36,639 --> 02:19:38,160
clear as well that was that was made

3502
02:19:38,160 --> 02:19:39,840
clear that was stated and in addition to

3503
02:19:39,840 --> 02:19:42,160
that i if i didn't say it it certainly

3504
02:19:42,160 --> 02:19:44,080
was in my mind that we also have to we

3505
02:19:44,080 --> 02:19:45,200
made it

3506
02:19:45,200 --> 02:19:47,280
40 names are we going to have reported a

3507
02:19:47,280 --> 02:19:49,280
committee of 40. chances are absolutely

3508
02:19:49,280 --> 02:19:50,800
not so then we would have to look at the

3509
02:19:50,800 --> 02:19:52,479
names they're submitted and say

3510
02:19:52,479 --> 02:19:54,479
this person i mean yes or no so we would

3511
02:19:54,479 --> 02:19:56,000
have those are decisions that we would

3512
02:19:56,000 --> 02:19:58,000
make based on what's the information

3513
02:19:58,000 --> 02:19:59,520
that's provided to us and just one more

3514
02:19:59,520 --> 02:20:01,520
comment again back to mr williams i mean

3515
02:20:01,520 --> 02:20:03,520
we did all attend all the neighborhood

3516
02:20:03,520 --> 02:20:05,840
meetings that were very productive

3517
02:20:05,840 --> 02:20:12,000
meetings as mr farley noted on that the mayor and and city staff ran and got

3518
02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:14,240
a lot of input i mean i took pages of

3519
02:20:14,240 --> 02:20:15,200
notes

3520
02:20:15,200 --> 02:20:18,160
um on what our community members want to

3521
02:20:18,160 --> 02:20:20,399
see happen with the arbor funding so i

3522
02:20:20,399 --> 02:20:22,560
think we all and i know i missed one of

3523
02:20:22,560 --> 02:20:24,240
those meetings i think probably all of

3524
02:20:24,240 --> 02:20:26,080
us missed maybe one meeting

3525
02:20:26,080 --> 02:20:28,000
but for the most part we were all we

3526
02:20:28,000 --> 02:20:29,359
were all there

3527
02:20:29,359 --> 02:20:30,960
and heard and heard from that plus we

3528
02:20:30,960 --> 02:20:32,240
had the survey

3529
02:20:32,240 --> 02:20:34,880
um as well that was done to also solicit

3530
02:20:34,880 --> 02:20:36,720
community input so

3531
02:20:36,720 --> 02:20:39,200
um it's not like we had a closed process

3532
02:20:39,200 --> 02:20:41,520
even to this point um in terms of what

3533
02:20:41,520 --> 02:20:43,200
we what we did to try to solicit

3534
02:20:43,200 --> 02:20:44,560
community

3535
02:20:44,560 --> 02:20:46,800
and i shouldn't say we the city the

3536
02:20:46,800 --> 02:20:48,319
mayor

3537
02:20:48,319 --> 02:20:49,840
i think you could say we as the council

3538
02:20:49,840 --> 02:20:51,200
attended and we certainly encourage

3539
02:20:51,200 --> 02:20:52,960
people to come and put the information

3540
02:20:52,960 --> 02:20:56,319
out there so i think we is appropriate

3541
02:20:56,319 --> 02:20:58,319
so is there further discussion if not

3542
02:20:58,319 --> 02:21:00,000
i'll have uh the clerk called the role

3543
02:21:00,000 --> 02:21:02,080
on this particular issue point order

3544
02:21:02,080 --> 02:21:03,439
here this

3545
02:21:03,439 --> 02:21:05,439
it doesn't this isn't a roll call but

3546
02:21:05,439 --> 02:21:07,120
we're in a committee meeting so it's

3547
02:21:07,120 --> 02:21:11,110
within yourself

3548
02:21:11,120 --> 02:21:12,800
did you have something to eat yeah

3549
02:21:12,800 --> 02:21:14,080
because i'd be remiss that i didn't

3550
02:21:14,080 --> 02:21:16,080
highlight his previous comment hopefully

3551
02:21:16,080 --> 02:21:18,479
you didn't feel like i just

3552
02:21:18,479 --> 02:21:20,640
over emphasized it with potentially

3553
02:21:20,640 --> 02:21:23,120
reopening the application process uh

3554
02:21:23,120 --> 02:21:24,160
i've had

3555
02:21:24,160 --> 02:21:26,960
considerations myself i want to put it

3556
02:21:26,960 --> 02:21:28,800
on on record that i definitely

3557
02:21:28,800 --> 02:21:30,319
appreciate everyone who was able to meet

3558
02:21:30,319 --> 02:21:33,359
those deadlines they were definitely uh

3559
02:21:33,359 --> 02:21:35,760
during uh the heightened stages of our

3560
02:21:35,760 --> 02:21:37,040
pandemic they were during a holiday

3561
02:21:37,040 --> 02:21:38,800
season and i want to applaud everyone i

3562
02:21:38,800 --> 02:21:41,200
was able to submit that on time however

3563
02:21:41,200 --> 02:21:42,240
i think

3564
02:21:42,240 --> 02:21:43,439
having it

3565
02:21:43,439 --> 02:21:45,280
unfortunately a link to further

3566
02:21:45,280 --> 02:21:48,160
discussion i think we should open to

3567
02:21:48,160 --> 02:21:49,760
understanding potentially having it

3568
02:21:49,760 --> 02:21:50,800
extended

3569
02:21:50,800 --> 02:21:52,960
to incorporate individuals that weren't

3570
02:21:52,960 --> 02:21:54,800
able to meet those

3571
02:21:54,800 --> 02:21:57,600
expectations and what i want to say is i

3572
02:21:57,600 --> 02:21:59,359
don't think it's done added a service to

3573
02:21:59,359 --> 02:22:00,720
any projects that currently were

3574
02:22:00,720 --> 02:22:02,399
submitted because i don't want it to be

3575
02:22:02,399 --> 02:22:04,399
seemed as if we're competing against

3576
02:22:04,399 --> 02:22:06,000
each other this is community this is

3577
02:22:06,000 --> 02:22:07,840
money for the community that's going to

3578
02:22:07,840 --> 02:22:10,399
benefit the community and if we seem to

3579
02:22:10,399 --> 02:22:12,720
look at it as us competing against each

3580
02:22:12,720 --> 02:22:14,720
other i think that will negatively pit

3581
02:22:14,720 --> 02:22:16,640
us against one another which is

3582
02:22:16,640 --> 02:22:19,200
essentially uh what could potentially

3583
02:22:19,200 --> 02:22:23,670
happen so i think if we look at whether

3584
02:22:23,680 --> 02:22:24,960
extending it

3585
02:22:24,960 --> 02:22:26,240
even if it was only done from the

3586
02:22:26,240 --> 02:22:28,080
standpoint of

3587
02:22:28,080 --> 02:22:29,680
for the duration of the creation of this

3588
02:22:29,680 --> 02:22:30,960
committee

3589
02:22:30,960 --> 02:22:32,720
my recommendation would be opening up

3590
02:22:32,720 --> 02:22:34,160
for two weeks

3591
02:22:34,160 --> 02:22:37,200
if that uh is a cause of a concern

3592
02:22:37,200 --> 02:22:39,120
definitely understand i don't want to do

3593
02:22:39,120 --> 02:22:41,040
it uh to the detriment of people i've

3594
02:22:41,040 --> 02:22:43,439
already submitted projects but i

3595
02:22:43,439 --> 02:22:45,359
definitely agree with mr uh farley's

3596
02:22:45,359 --> 02:22:47,760
comments of some people missed out due

3597
02:22:47,760 --> 02:22:51,439
to unforeseen issues

3598
02:22:51,439 --> 02:22:52,240
and i

3599
02:22:52,240 --> 02:22:54,319
wanted to again highlight that the final

3600
02:22:54,319 --> 02:22:57,120
guidance for what the money um it can be

3601
02:22:57,120 --> 02:22:59,120
used for came

3602
02:22:59,120 --> 02:23:01,840
after we closed the um

3603
02:23:01,840 --> 02:23:03,280
the uh

3604
02:23:03,280 --> 02:23:05,680
for for uh people who want to submit so

3605
02:23:05,680 --> 02:23:08,000
once again you know if we are in a

3606
02:23:08,000 --> 02:23:09,280
position where we're getting new

3607
02:23:09,280 --> 02:23:10,960
information the public has more

3608
02:23:10,960 --> 02:23:12,479
information then there could be

3609
02:23:12,479 --> 02:23:14,640
potentially some people who might have

3610
02:23:14,640 --> 02:23:17,120
put an application in

3611
02:23:17,120 --> 02:23:19,200
um due to the uh

3612
02:23:19,200 --> 02:23:20,800
to the final direction of the guidelines

3613
02:23:20,800 --> 02:23:21,920
but

3614
02:23:21,920 --> 02:23:23,439
before that information was made

3615
02:23:23,439 --> 02:23:25,920
available to the public just didn't um

3616
02:23:25,920 --> 02:23:27,520
didn't think that their project would

3617
02:23:27,520 --> 02:23:31,120
fit in and i also had a question

3618
02:23:31,120 --> 02:23:33,040
this like what's the usual

3619
02:23:33,040 --> 02:23:35,280
length for like uh

3620
02:23:35,280 --> 02:23:37,439
for our community block grant one like

3621
02:23:37,439 --> 02:23:39,359
what's like usually though

3622
02:23:39,359 --> 02:23:42,080
yeah there's usually five weeks so five

3623
02:23:42,080 --> 02:23:43,600
to five weeks because we put it out and

3624
02:23:43,600 --> 02:23:45,920
the january is usually in by march

3625
02:23:45,920 --> 02:23:47,920
and then we have the review period and

3626
02:23:47,920 --> 02:23:50,640
all the public hearings so all right so

3627
02:23:50,640 --> 02:23:53,920
and that and how long was the

3628
02:23:53,920 --> 02:23:55,439
for the performance

3629
02:23:55,439 --> 02:23:57,200
it was the month of december i believe

3630
02:23:57,200 --> 02:24:00,000
yeah

3631
02:24:00,000 --> 02:24:01,920
so i think so kind of highlight the fact

3632
02:24:01,920 --> 02:24:06,160
that uh the community blocker and money is

3633
02:24:06,160 --> 02:24:07,680
something that happens annually so

3634
02:24:07,680 --> 02:24:10,960
there's like some expectation um um that

3635
02:24:10,960 --> 02:24:14,000
this happens um this right here is a you

3636
02:24:14,000 --> 02:24:16,000
know a one-time

3637
02:24:16,000 --> 02:24:17,760
opportunity for us so i think that it

3638
02:24:17,760 --> 02:24:20,000
would be you know

3639
02:24:20,000 --> 02:24:22,720
really wise of us as a council to say

3640
02:24:22,720 --> 02:24:24,960
that we at least give the same amount of

3641
02:24:24,960 --> 02:24:26,960
time that we give to the community for

3642
02:24:26,960 --> 02:24:29,600
something that is um

3643
02:24:29,600 --> 02:24:30,880
where people are

3644
02:24:30,880 --> 02:24:34,000
relatively can expect that to happen um

3645
02:24:34,000 --> 02:24:36,960
and i think that this is a really good

3646
02:24:36,960 --> 02:24:40,240
opportunity to uh make sure that we are

3647
02:24:40,240 --> 02:24:42,160
casting the widest that we can and look

3648
02:24:42,160 --> 02:24:45,280
for opera opportunities to collaborate

3649
02:24:45,280 --> 02:24:48,880
with the members of our community mayor

3650
02:24:48,880 --> 02:24:51,359
but just in terms of that window of

3651
02:24:51,359 --> 02:24:53,280
opportunity we went out to the community

3652
02:24:53,280 --> 02:24:55,920
meetings we're telling people telling

3653
02:24:55,920 --> 02:24:57,680
groups what

3654
02:24:57,680 --> 02:25:01,110
the potential

3655
02:25:01,120 --> 02:25:02,640
areas were

3656
02:25:02,640 --> 02:25:05,760
wanted them to think about it had them

3657
02:25:05,760 --> 02:25:09,280
talk about some of their goals desires

3658
02:25:09,280 --> 02:25:11,280
uh and i think we were actually live

3659
02:25:11,280 --> 02:25:14,080
before december 1st so it was

3660
02:25:14,080 --> 02:25:16,080
you might be arguing about days even

3661
02:25:16,080 --> 02:25:18,560
though we had talked about opening it up

3662
02:25:18,560 --> 02:25:21,040
it was getting the site up and making it

3663
02:25:21,040 --> 02:25:22,080
live

3664
02:25:22,080 --> 02:25:24,560
and effort this is the first round of

3665
02:25:24,560 --> 02:25:26,880
monday that's right so

3666
02:25:26,880 --> 02:25:29,040
still looking to do this

3667
02:25:29,040 --> 02:25:30,880
one more time

3668
02:25:30,880 --> 02:25:33,439
uh when we get the money uh

3669
02:25:33,439 --> 02:25:38,309
expected in may

3670
02:25:38,319 --> 02:25:41,349
so i don't want to

3671
02:25:41,359 --> 02:25:42,479
i'm

3672
02:25:42,479 --> 02:25:44,479
not quite sure how to

3673
02:25:44,479 --> 02:25:46,560
position it

3674
02:25:46,560 --> 02:25:49,280
so we get other applications who's going

3675
02:25:49,280 --> 02:25:51,040
to process those who's going to rank

3676
02:25:51,040 --> 02:25:53,120
them the city council are going to take

3677
02:25:53,120 --> 02:25:57,429
care of that

3678
02:25:57,439 --> 02:26:00,389
i've put

3679
02:26:00,399 --> 02:26:02,640
criteria in place assigned staff to do

3680
02:26:02,640 --> 02:26:04,160
it i have other things you know i have

3681
02:26:04,160 --> 02:26:06,640
to manage the day-to-day operations so

3682
02:26:06,640 --> 02:26:08,640
somebody brings in

3683
02:26:08,640 --> 02:26:12,309
an application now

3684
02:26:12,319 --> 02:26:13,920
is that going to get

3685
02:26:13,920 --> 02:26:15,359
talked about people who are going to be

3686
02:26:15,359 --> 02:26:17,600
mad because everybody else did meet the

3687
02:26:17,600 --> 02:26:21,040
criteria and this one is out there in

3688
02:26:21,040 --> 02:26:23,280
the fine guidance

3689
02:26:23,280 --> 02:26:25,920
it was not a dramatic deviation from

3690
02:26:25,920 --> 02:26:28,080
what the preliminary guidance was so

3691
02:26:28,080 --> 02:26:30,960
that i don't think there was anybody

3692
02:26:30,960 --> 02:26:33,920
from what i saw and i had not read every

3693
02:26:33,920 --> 02:26:35,680
application

3694
02:26:35,680 --> 02:26:36,640
uh

3695
02:26:36,640 --> 02:26:40,080
that would have been precluded

3696
02:26:40,080 --> 02:26:40,880
or

3697
02:26:40,880 --> 02:26:42,479
opened up

3698
02:26:42,479 --> 02:26:44,479
and based on that final guidance that

3699
02:26:44,479 --> 02:26:46,880
came out of the treasury part

3700
02:26:46,880 --> 02:26:51,110
that's

3701
02:26:51,120 --> 02:26:52,000
um

3702
02:26:52,000 --> 02:26:53,920
i have to say with all due respect and

3703
02:26:53,920 --> 02:26:56,080
just now putting my professional hat on

3704
02:26:56,080 --> 02:26:59,439
as opposed to the council hat um having

3705
02:26:59,439 --> 02:27:02,399
been a grants developer for you know 40

3706
02:27:02,399 --> 02:27:03,359
years

3707
02:27:03,359 --> 02:27:04,319
um

3708
02:27:04,319 --> 02:27:05,359
it's

3709
02:27:05,359 --> 02:27:07,120
common to have that kind of a length of

3710
02:27:07,120 --> 02:27:08,800
time in order to be able to submit a

3711
02:27:08,800 --> 02:27:10,800
grant there were many other grant

3712
02:27:10,800 --> 02:27:12,319
applications that were also due on

3713
02:27:12,319 --> 02:27:15,040
december 31st to nonprofits

3714
02:27:15,040 --> 02:27:16,720
the united way for well no not the

3715
02:27:16,720 --> 02:27:17,840
united way but there were other

3716
02:27:17,840 --> 02:27:19,439
applications that we had to get in by

3717
02:27:19,439 --> 02:27:21,920
december 31st i think

3718
02:27:21,920 --> 02:27:22,880
folks

3719
02:27:22,880 --> 02:27:24,800
i think it would be unfair really

3720
02:27:24,800 --> 02:27:26,399
honestly if i was somebody that put in a

3721
02:27:26,399 --> 02:27:27,920
grant application and i heard the

3722
02:27:27,920 --> 02:27:30,399
process was reopened i would really be

3723
02:27:30,399 --> 02:27:33,280
upset um because i think it would be

3724
02:27:33,280 --> 02:27:34,880
like

3725
02:27:34,880 --> 02:27:37,040
you know basically oh you guys all got

3726
02:27:37,040 --> 02:27:38,479
it in on time but now we're going to

3727
02:27:38,479 --> 02:27:40,240
open it up again we already know that

3728
02:27:40,240 --> 02:27:42,240
we're not going to be able to fund

3729
02:27:42,240 --> 02:27:45,439
most of the applications um so now we're

3730
02:27:45,439 --> 02:27:46,880
going to be even like trying to get even

3731
02:27:46,880 --> 02:27:48,319
more applications in that we'll have to

3732
02:27:48,319 --> 02:27:49,600
say no to

3733
02:27:49,600 --> 02:27:51,439
um so it's

3734
02:27:51,439 --> 02:27:53,680
i just i mean again all due respect i

3735
02:27:53,680 --> 02:27:55,600
hear what you guys are saying but i

3736
02:27:55,600 --> 02:27:58,560
think it would really um

3737
02:27:58,560 --> 02:28:02,790
be unfair

3738
02:28:02,800 --> 02:28:05,040
we tried to make that application

3739
02:28:05,040 --> 02:28:07,760
process fairly simple

3740
02:28:07,760 --> 02:28:09,520
and straightforward so we weren't

3741
02:28:09,520 --> 02:28:12,479
looking for reams of information other

3742
02:28:12,479 --> 02:28:13,359
things

3743
02:28:13,359 --> 02:28:15,200
you know we may go back to some of the

3744
02:28:15,200 --> 02:28:16,640
groups now and ask for more

3745
02:28:16,640 --> 02:28:18,319
documentation as you go through this

3746
02:28:18,319 --> 02:28:19,920
review process

3747
02:28:19,920 --> 02:28:22,240
to make the final decision but again it

3748
02:28:22,240 --> 02:28:23,200
was to

3749
02:28:23,200 --> 02:28:26,560
get things in there conceptually

3750
02:28:26,560 --> 02:28:29,359
and be able to work with groups

3751
02:28:29,359 --> 02:28:30,800
some who were

3752
02:28:30,800 --> 02:28:33,920
maybe more informal this might be their

3753
02:28:33,920 --> 02:28:36,399
one and only time applying as well as

3754
02:28:36,399 --> 02:28:38,479
other ones who

3755
02:28:38,479 --> 02:28:41,520
on a routine basis either apply for cdbg

3756
02:28:41,520 --> 02:28:43,439
money other uh

3757
02:28:43,439 --> 02:28:47,439
money from uh city other entities and uh

3758
02:28:47,439 --> 02:28:49,920
i think all in all it went

3759
02:28:49,920 --> 02:28:51,359
fairly well

3760
02:28:51,359 --> 02:28:52,800
uh

3761
02:28:52,800 --> 02:28:55,120
you know it's a

3762
02:28:55,120 --> 02:28:56,560
number of

3763
02:28:56,560 --> 02:28:58,160
applicants there that

3764
02:28:58,160 --> 02:29:00,640
put forth some interesting ideas and

3765
02:29:00,640 --> 02:29:03,990
concepts and

3766
02:29:04,000 --> 02:29:06,080
i think it reflects well

3767
02:29:06,080 --> 02:29:08,080
in the community as a whole the problem

3768
02:29:08,080 --> 02:29:10,960
is now there's always never

3769
02:29:10,960 --> 02:29:12,640
the newcomers of the council will learn

3770
02:29:12,640 --> 02:29:14,240
that

3771
02:29:14,240 --> 02:29:16,080
there's never enough money to fund all

3772
02:29:16,080 --> 02:29:20,790
the things and you have to

3773
02:29:20,800 --> 02:29:23,359
put down the that narrow path of trying

3774
02:29:23,359 --> 02:29:25,680
to keep uh as many people happy as you

3775
02:29:25,680 --> 02:29:26,479
can

3776
02:29:26,479 --> 02:29:28,240
and leverage the dollars to get the

3777
02:29:28,240 --> 02:29:30,720
biggest impact

3778
02:29:30,720 --> 02:29:32,319
mr moto baron had did you have a point

3779
02:29:32,319 --> 02:29:34,880
two part question um

3780
02:29:34,880 --> 02:29:36,640
did you receive any application after

3781
02:29:36,640 --> 02:29:38,560
the deadline

3782
02:29:38,560 --> 02:29:43,520
no i don't think um well we officially we closed the

3783
02:29:43,520 --> 02:29:46,080
portal on the monday

3784
02:29:46,080 --> 02:29:47,840
so there was there was a complication

3785
02:29:47,840 --> 02:30:00,469
over the weekend

3786
02:30:00,479 --> 02:30:01,840
next year

3787
02:30:01,840 --> 02:30:03,280
this year you know

3788
02:30:03,280 --> 02:30:05,680
yeah for the for the next round but i

3789
02:30:05,680 --> 02:30:06,800
mean

3790
02:30:06,800 --> 02:30:08,160
i think

3791
02:30:08,160 --> 02:30:10,640
i guess you just kind of i don't know

3792
02:30:10,640 --> 02:30:12,160
from my perspective i think that i'm

3793
02:30:12,160 --> 02:30:13,439
also

3794
02:30:13,439 --> 02:30:15,439
if we have 80 million dollars in ask

3795
02:30:15,439 --> 02:30:17,439
right now we know we can't fund most of

3796
02:30:17,439 --> 02:30:20,000
the applications i am concerned about

3797
02:30:20,000 --> 02:30:22,560
that um not to say that you know

3798
02:30:22,560 --> 02:30:25,200
whatever the process is the process but

3799
02:30:25,200 --> 02:30:27,760
whatever is decided is decided but i am

3800
02:30:27,760 --> 02:30:29,439
worried about the amount of ass the

3801
02:30:29,439 --> 02:30:31,680
amount of good products there's not that

3802
02:30:31,680 --> 02:30:34,080
many that are disqualified i can tell

3803
02:30:34,080 --> 02:30:36,000
you something that wouldn't qualify for

3804
02:30:36,000 --> 02:30:38,560
the funding so you know it's going to be

3805
02:30:38,560 --> 02:30:40,080
a question of how we make those

3806
02:30:40,080 --> 02:30:41,439
decisions

3807
02:30:41,439 --> 02:30:43,680
um because it's already

3808
02:30:43,680 --> 02:30:45,520
just just a question of that we talk

3809
02:30:45,520 --> 02:30:46,960
about rolling somebody's application

3810
02:30:46,960 --> 02:30:49,439
into cdbg or they can qualify under the

3811
02:30:49,439 --> 02:30:50,800
cdbg

3812
02:30:50,800 --> 02:30:53,120
may or did we receive a number in terms

3813
02:30:53,120 --> 02:30:55,120
of how much we're going to receive with

3814
02:30:55,120 --> 02:30:57,280
regards to infrastructure money

3815
02:30:57,280 --> 02:30:59,120
no because some of these applications

3816
02:30:59,120 --> 02:31:00,640
i've gone through you know scan across

3817
02:31:00,640 --> 02:31:03,200
some might fall into that category

3818
02:31:03,200 --> 02:31:06,080
it's possible and we don't have enough

3819
02:31:06,080 --> 02:31:07,439
time

3820
02:31:07,439 --> 02:31:09,280
so we have to look at that as well so

3821
02:31:09,280 --> 02:31:11,120
the cdbg and also the infrastructure

3822
02:31:11,120 --> 02:31:14,479
money that was recently passed

3823
02:31:14,479 --> 02:31:16,399
on this application here

3824
02:31:16,399 --> 02:31:18,720
mr berlin so a few things so you're

3825
02:31:18,720 --> 02:31:21,359
saying that when after the uh portal

3826
02:31:21,359 --> 02:31:22,800
closed monday you got a couple

3827
02:31:22,800 --> 02:31:24,080
applications in

3828
02:31:24,080 --> 02:31:25,600
we told you it wasn't closed december

3829
02:31:25,600 --> 02:31:28,720
31st we didn't actually close it until

3830
02:31:28,720 --> 02:31:34,790
um january 2nd 4th february 4.

3831
02:31:34,800 --> 02:31:36,399
so we didn't receive something during

3832
02:31:36,399 --> 02:31:38,479
that period of time oh there's nobody

3833
02:31:38,479 --> 02:31:40,399
that called up and said we did not

3834
02:31:40,399 --> 02:31:42,080
submit our application we spit it at

3835
02:31:42,080 --> 02:31:43,840
this point in time

3836
02:31:43,840 --> 02:31:45,200
if we have we would have taken it and

3837
02:31:45,200 --> 02:31:46,479
then referred to

3838
02:31:46,479 --> 02:31:47,760
the group here

3839
02:31:47,760 --> 02:31:49,600
of whether to accept the application or

3840
02:31:49,600 --> 02:31:51,520
not but we did not receive anybody

3841
02:31:51,520 --> 02:31:53,520
stating that they were not able to

3842
02:31:53,520 --> 02:31:56,080
submit the application right no my

3843
02:31:56,080 --> 02:31:57,840
question was more specifically so the

3844
02:31:57,840 --> 02:31:59,520
communication was that that portal will

3845
02:31:59,520 --> 02:32:02,160
close on the 31st but it didn't close on

3846
02:32:02,160 --> 02:32:04,479
30 hours and we refused when we received

3847
02:32:04,479 --> 02:32:10,150
a few applications after the 31st

3848
02:32:10,160 --> 02:32:11,520
if you look at the spreadsheet the date

3849
02:32:11,520 --> 02:32:12,880
that we received was noted there so you

3850
02:32:12,880 --> 02:32:15,439
see that did we did receive a problem on

3851
02:32:15,439 --> 02:32:22,870
january 2nd and first

3852
02:32:22,880 --> 02:32:30,150
okay

3853
02:32:30,160 --> 02:32:31,600
my question is if

3854
02:32:31,600 --> 02:32:33,920
the application came in after the time

3855
02:32:33,920 --> 02:32:34,800
that we

3856
02:32:34,800 --> 02:32:36,240
communicated to the public that we were

3857
02:32:36,240 --> 02:32:37,680
going to close the portal we did accept

3858
02:32:37,680 --> 02:32:39,840
those applications though we did we did

3859
02:32:39,840 --> 02:32:41,680
good we did we didn't

3860
02:32:41,680 --> 02:32:44,399
have any applications

3861
02:32:44,399 --> 02:32:45,200
um

3862
02:32:45,200 --> 02:32:46,080
there was a couple people there's

3863
02:32:46,080 --> 02:32:47,439
somebody did call about some things that

3864
02:32:47,439 --> 02:32:49,439
were located far away from the city we

3865
02:32:49,439 --> 02:32:56,309
told them i mean you can apply them

3866
02:32:56,319 --> 02:32:58,000
so are you suggesting mr farley that if

3867
02:32:58,000 --> 02:32:59,840
it came after that we just we say you

3868
02:32:59,840 --> 02:33:04,000
missed the call update and not accept those applications

3869
02:33:04,000 --> 02:33:05,040
what i'm

3870
02:33:05,040 --> 02:33:07,520
kind of trying to note here is that

3871
02:33:07,520 --> 02:33:09,359
we're saying that

3872
02:33:09,359 --> 02:33:11,760
you know to economist uh carmel's points

3873
02:33:11,760 --> 02:33:12,960
that if i'm somebody who got my

3874
02:33:12,960 --> 02:33:15,040
application in and then somebody else

3875
02:33:15,040 --> 02:33:17,200
does and i feel like it's not fair i

3876
02:33:17,200 --> 02:33:18,720
don't think it would be unfair for me

3877
02:33:18,720 --> 02:33:20,800
and you know i i think that

3878
02:33:20,800 --> 02:33:22,399
the larger point that i'm trying to make

3879
02:33:22,399 --> 02:33:24,720
is that this this is common you know

3880
02:33:24,720 --> 02:33:26,720
working in a non-profit for a long time

3881
02:33:26,720 --> 02:33:28,800
myself i know that this is a common

3882
02:33:28,800 --> 02:33:31,840
timeline um but as a governing body we

3883
02:33:31,840 --> 02:33:33,760
have a obligation to recognize that

3884
02:33:33,760 --> 02:33:35,680
these are uncommon times

3885
02:33:35,680 --> 02:33:38,399
so when these these these being uncommon

3886
02:33:38,399 --> 02:33:40,479
times our opportunity to be responsive

3887
02:33:40,479 --> 02:33:43,439
to the community um and to

3888
02:33:43,439 --> 02:33:45,920
ensure that we're casting a wide net and

3889
02:33:45,920 --> 02:33:47,359
even though we have

3890
02:33:47,359 --> 02:33:48,479
i think

3891
02:33:48,479 --> 02:33:50,880
uh mr marriott point is well taken we're

3892
02:33:50,880 --> 02:33:52,720
never going to have enough right

3893
02:33:52,720 --> 02:33:53,439
so

3894
02:33:53,439 --> 02:33:56,880
but when you want to be equitable does not matter how much you

3895
02:33:56,880 --> 02:33:59,359
have it's it's it's the process of what

3896
02:33:59,359 --> 02:34:01,680
you allocate and distribute so we could

3897
02:34:01,680 --> 02:34:03,600
be equitable with 10 million dollars or

3898
02:34:03,600 --> 02:34:05,439
one dollar and i think that what we need

3899
02:34:05,439 --> 02:34:07,840
to do is just make sure that we're uh

3900
02:34:07,840 --> 02:34:09,680
considering the fact that this was

3901
02:34:09,680 --> 02:34:12,800
during a pandemic this was a short

3902
02:34:12,800 --> 02:34:14,560
timeline and there was further darkness

3903
02:34:14,560 --> 02:34:17,359
that came out after the portal folks so

3904
02:34:17,359 --> 02:34:19,040
even though it wasn't maybe a dramatic

3905
02:34:19,040 --> 02:34:21,200
shift there was still more information

3906
02:34:21,200 --> 02:34:23,680
how can we expect the public to make a

3907
02:34:23,680 --> 02:34:25,680
determination of whether to submit

3908
02:34:25,680 --> 02:34:27,680
something if the guidance came out after

3909
02:34:27,680 --> 02:34:29,280
we closed the portal

3910
02:34:29,280 --> 02:34:31,040
but i have to say to the mayor's point

3911
02:34:31,040 --> 02:34:33,040
that that didn't change a lot it was not

3912
02:34:33,040 --> 02:34:35,920
a significant a significant change and i

3913
02:34:35,920 --> 02:34:36,960
don't know which applications you're

3914
02:34:36,960 --> 02:34:39,040
talking about if anything's particular

3915
02:34:39,040 --> 02:34:40,720
um because i didn't see a lot of change

3916
02:34:40,720 --> 02:34:42,240
in in the guidance i don't know if any

3917
02:34:42,240 --> 02:34:44,240
of you had an opportunity to look at it

3918
02:34:44,240 --> 02:34:48,000
there was not there were not major shifts

3919
02:34:48,000 --> 02:34:50,880
no mr williams uh so just i don't know

3920
02:34:50,880 --> 02:34:52,560
if it was mentioned or if it was implied

3921
02:34:52,560 --> 02:34:54,080
but i thought we should at least credit

3922
02:34:54,080 --> 02:34:56,640
your staff mayor mccarthy for taking uh

3923
02:34:56,640 --> 02:34:58,560
ownership of this huge ask

3924
02:34:58,560 --> 02:35:00,880
hopefully my comments did

3925
02:35:00,880 --> 02:35:02,720
not recognize that this was like a

3926
02:35:02,720 --> 02:35:04,800
monumentous project that you guys did

3927
02:35:04,800 --> 02:35:09,359
successfully and i appreciate all the work that he did and if we choose

3928
02:35:09,359 --> 02:35:10,960
him before with another application

3929
02:35:10,960 --> 02:35:12,880
process it's going to be these lessons

3930
02:35:12,880 --> 02:35:14,960
learned that improve it moving forward

3931
02:35:14,960 --> 02:35:18,389
so i just wanted to know

3932
02:35:18,399 --> 02:35:20,160
so at this point in time so we can kind

3933
02:35:20,160 --> 02:35:21,359
of bring this to a close i think there's

3934
02:35:21,359 --> 02:35:22,640
a couple of questions that we have to

3935
02:35:22,640 --> 02:35:24,960
ask the first one and just get the the

3936
02:35:24,960 --> 02:35:26,640
pulse of the council

3937
02:35:26,640 --> 02:35:29,280
if the first um that we're um in favor

3938
02:35:29,280 --> 02:35:32,399
of creating a committee that includes um

3939
02:35:32,399 --> 02:35:34,399
neighborhood representatives to review

3940
02:35:34,399 --> 02:35:38,000
the application so just want you know

3941
02:35:38,000 --> 02:35:40,800
so we'll just call the council uh mr

3942
02:35:40,800 --> 02:35:42,080
williams

3943
02:35:42,080 --> 02:35:44,080
yes

3944
02:35:44,080 --> 02:35:46,880
mr farley yes

3945
02:35:46,880 --> 02:35:50,319
miss patrick i would say yes to the

3946
02:35:50,319 --> 02:35:51,920
applications except for the ones that

3947
02:35:51,920 --> 02:35:56,150
were submitted by the city

3948
02:35:56,160 --> 02:35:58,479
mr mitsubaran

3949
02:35:58,479 --> 02:36:00,479
uh yes but uh you know this is something

3950
02:36:00,479 --> 02:36:02,640
that when we uh when we went through the

3951
02:36:02,640 --> 02:36:04,399
city when mayor mccarthy had the

3952
02:36:04,399 --> 02:36:06,399
meetings the harper meetings it was

3953
02:36:06,399 --> 02:36:08,319
something that the community wanted all

3954
02:36:08,319 --> 02:36:09,920
the neighborhood it was echoed across

3955
02:36:09,920 --> 02:36:11,920
all neighborhoods community

3956
02:36:11,920 --> 02:36:13,280
involvement

3957
02:36:13,280 --> 02:36:15,520
how can we participate in helping the

3958
02:36:15,520 --> 02:36:17,680
city council the administration in terms

3959
02:36:17,680 --> 02:36:19,760
of coming up with the ideas how we spend

3960
02:36:19,760 --> 02:36:20,720
this money

3961
02:36:20,720 --> 02:36:22,560
so i think it's it's not new what's

3962
02:36:22,560 --> 02:36:23,840
happening

3963
02:36:23,840 --> 02:36:25,439
it's something that we were they were

3964
02:36:25,439 --> 02:36:30,560
asking for and we're actually doing it was something that was discussed some

3965
02:36:30,560 --> 02:36:32,160
of the council remember were not here it

3966
02:36:32,160 --> 02:36:33,760
was thrown out but it's something that

3967
02:36:33,760 --> 02:36:34,720
we

3968
02:36:34,720 --> 02:36:36,240
brought with us from all these

3969
02:36:36,240 --> 02:36:38,160
neighborhood meetings and it's something

3970
02:36:38,160 --> 02:36:39,439
that we're trying to put in place

3971
02:36:39,439 --> 02:36:40,560
together

3972
02:36:40,560 --> 02:36:42,240
and you know i encourage everybody to

3973
02:36:42,240 --> 02:36:44,319
get on board and submit names and you

3974
02:36:44,319 --> 02:36:46,319
know we can come to the table and flash

3975
02:36:46,319 --> 02:36:48,640
names out if we want to select so like a

3976
02:36:48,640 --> 02:36:51,439
workable group not 40 names you know i'm

3977
02:36:51,439 --> 02:36:53,280
just using numbers but something that we

3978
02:36:53,280 --> 02:36:54,960
can all work for and

3979
02:36:54,960 --> 02:36:56,560
towards and

3980
02:36:56,560 --> 02:36:58,720
get a group that help us you know manage

3981
02:36:58,720 --> 02:37:00,160
and able to discuss and come up with

3982
02:37:00,160 --> 02:37:02,399
ideas on how to be able to look at each

3983
02:37:02,399 --> 02:37:04,399
of these applications

3984
02:37:04,399 --> 02:37:06,000
and come up with ideas on how we can

3985
02:37:06,000 --> 02:37:07,680
able to fund that

3986
02:37:07,680 --> 02:37:09,520
and i have you know i agree

3987
02:37:09,520 --> 02:37:10,800
after

3988
02:37:10,800 --> 02:37:13,120
mccarthy that we can open up the

3989
02:37:13,120 --> 02:37:16,399
application process when we receive our

3990
02:37:16,399 --> 02:37:17,840
funding in so there will be

3991
02:37:17,840 --> 02:37:20,080
opportunities for others to to

3992
02:37:20,080 --> 02:37:22,319
resubmit or submit applications during

3993
02:37:22,319 --> 02:37:24,240
that process we have to be look at the

3994
02:37:24,240 --> 02:37:26,399
logistics too i mean be fair to the

3995
02:37:26,399 --> 02:37:28,319
staff and you know going back

3996
02:37:28,319 --> 02:37:30,240
applications already and paperwork with

3997
02:37:30,240 --> 02:37:30,960
us

3998
02:37:30,960 --> 02:37:32,880
let's move on what we have

3999
02:37:32,880 --> 02:37:34,319
and when the next round come we'll

4000
02:37:34,319 --> 02:37:36,399
encourage who didn't submit on time to

4001
02:37:36,399 --> 02:37:38,399
encourage them to reach out to them and

4002
02:37:38,399 --> 02:37:40,319
to make sure that they submit

4003
02:37:40,319 --> 02:37:42,880
application on time

4004
02:37:42,880 --> 02:37:45,040
and full support of getting this

4005
02:37:45,040 --> 02:37:47,280
advisory group together to help us move

4006
02:37:47,280 --> 02:37:49,120
this forward

4007
02:37:49,120 --> 02:37:52,240
thank you mr toro um i'm supportive a

4008
02:37:52,240 --> 02:37:54,080
committee but i would really like some

4009
02:37:54,080 --> 02:37:56,800
guidelines before we even up on what the

4010
02:37:56,800 --> 02:37:58,960
committee's

4011
02:37:58,960 --> 02:38:01,120
job java bay um absolutely you know

4012
02:38:01,120 --> 02:38:02,640
we're our neighborhoods we all live in

4013
02:38:02,640 --> 02:38:04,080
our neighborhoods we want to spend our

4014
02:38:04,080 --> 02:38:06,319
money in our neighborhoods but again as

4015
02:38:06,319 --> 02:38:08,399
the mayor said we want to get

4016
02:38:08,399 --> 02:38:09,760
the most

4017
02:38:09,760 --> 02:38:10,640
uh

4018
02:38:10,640 --> 02:38:12,240
money

4019
02:38:12,240 --> 02:38:14,080
we want to get the most out of what

4020
02:38:14,080 --> 02:38:16,640
money we have sure

4021
02:38:16,640 --> 02:38:18,720
so as much as i would love to help

4022
02:38:18,720 --> 02:38:20,240
everyone i mean

4023
02:38:20,240 --> 02:38:22,720
you know a lot i want to know more about

4024
02:38:22,720 --> 02:38:24,960
what what this committee is going to do

4025
02:38:24,960 --> 02:38:28,160
and who's going to have the final say so

4026
02:38:28,160 --> 02:38:29,120
you know

4027
02:38:29,120 --> 02:38:31,680
and so if there's if i bring 10 there's

4028
02:38:31,680 --> 02:38:34,560
already 10 12 on it on a list submitted

4029
02:38:34,560 --> 02:38:37,520
20 30 40 60 100. who's gonna who's going

4030
02:38:37,520 --> 02:38:39,120
to interview these people i don't feel

4031
02:38:39,120 --> 02:38:42,080
confident enough to interview someone

4032
02:38:42,080 --> 02:38:43,840
and say you're not

4033
02:38:43,840 --> 02:38:45,680
qualified enough to make this decision

4034
02:38:45,680 --> 02:38:47,680
when none of us really are at this point

4035
02:38:47,680 --> 02:38:49,520
because everything's so new so i'd like

4036
02:38:49,520 --> 02:38:51,200
some guidelines on what what this

4037
02:38:51,200 --> 02:38:53,680
committee is absolutely

4038
02:38:53,680 --> 02:38:55,439
that's part of forming committee so as i

4039
02:38:55,439 --> 02:38:57,280
said this is all new territory for all

4040
02:38:57,280 --> 02:38:58,399
of us

4041
02:38:58,399 --> 02:39:00,880
but we still have an obligation and so

4042
02:39:00,880 --> 02:39:02,880
we're going to put together

4043
02:39:02,880 --> 02:39:05,280
a group so we can make that obligation

4044
02:39:05,280 --> 02:39:06,080
all right

4045
02:39:06,080 --> 02:39:08,720
mr coleman i want to be clear i have no

4046
02:39:08,720 --> 02:39:12,000
issue with public involvement in the art

4047
02:39:12,000 --> 02:39:13,600
of money

4048
02:39:13,600 --> 02:39:16,240
absolutely not i mean it's been said

4049
02:39:16,240 --> 02:39:17,520
many times

4050
02:39:17,520 --> 02:39:20,720
that at the meetings

4051
02:39:20,720 --> 02:39:22,640
people wanted to be involved and that's

4052
02:39:22,640 --> 02:39:25,680
a great thing and i'm happy for that and

4053
02:39:25,680 --> 02:39:28,080
i want people to participate

4054
02:39:28,080 --> 02:39:29,520
however

4055
02:39:29,520 --> 02:39:32,399
this was decided before this meeting

4056
02:39:32,399 --> 02:39:37,120
and the email says we have as requested

4057
02:39:37,120 --> 02:39:39,760
we have put a committee together

4058
02:39:39,760 --> 02:39:42,479
we have assembled this committee with

4059
02:39:42,479 --> 02:39:44,160
nine names

4060
02:39:44,160 --> 02:39:46,160
and are ready to work with the council

4061
02:39:46,160 --> 02:39:48,319
to make recommendations on submitted

4062
02:39:48,319 --> 02:39:50,560
projects

4063
02:39:50,560 --> 02:39:54,800
that's just not right for any of us

4064
02:39:54,800 --> 02:39:57,280
i don't care who we are it's just plain

4065
02:39:57,280 --> 02:40:00,000
wrong so i'm voting no out of principle

4066
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:01,680
but i want to make clear i have no

4067
02:40:01,680 --> 02:40:02,800
problem with

4068
02:40:02,800 --> 02:40:03,840
public

4069
02:40:03,840 --> 02:40:06,560
input

4070
02:40:06,560 --> 02:40:09,040
yes and as i said before the committee

4071
02:40:09,040 --> 02:40:11,040
to me has not been determined names were

4072
02:40:11,040 --> 02:40:12,960
submitted so

4073
02:40:12,960 --> 02:40:13,840
um

4074
02:40:13,840 --> 02:40:14,880
again if there's a misunder

4075
02:40:14,880 --> 02:40:16,399
communication on what was asked of the

4076
02:40:16,399 --> 02:40:19,120
people who were asked

4077
02:40:19,120 --> 02:40:20,479
but

4078
02:40:20,479 --> 02:40:21,920
there is no committee that has been

4079
02:40:21,920 --> 02:40:23,680
fully completed that's why we're having

4080
02:40:23,680 --> 02:40:25,439
the discussion tonight

4081
02:40:25,439 --> 02:40:29,510
so we can move forward with that

4082
02:40:29,520 --> 02:40:32,800
yes mr mayor and also

4083
02:40:32,800 --> 02:40:35,680
remind the council who's uh pointed out

4084
02:40:35,680 --> 02:40:39,520
by mr wall and that we have

4085
02:40:39,520 --> 02:40:41,760
over the last few years put together

4086
02:40:41,760 --> 02:40:45,680
lists of professional

4087
02:40:45,680 --> 02:40:48,479
individuals groups who

4088
02:40:48,479 --> 02:40:50,399
they're not on a formal retainer but we

4089
02:40:50,399 --> 02:40:52,640
have agreements that if we need them

4090
02:40:52,640 --> 02:40:54,720
it's a predetermined rate so if we need

4091
02:40:54,720 --> 02:40:58,160
an engineer they'll provide a

4092
02:40:58,160 --> 02:41:00,720
certain rate we need an architect we can

4093
02:41:00,720 --> 02:41:03,359
get it and so

4094
02:41:03,359 --> 02:41:06,070
those

4095
02:41:06,080 --> 02:41:07,359
resources

4096
02:41:07,359 --> 02:41:09,920
can be made available

4097
02:41:09,920 --> 02:41:12,240
and we're not quite that far in terms of

4098
02:41:12,240 --> 02:41:14,720
the internal review do we need some

4099
02:41:14,720 --> 02:41:17,680
technical assessment and so i don't

4100
02:41:17,680 --> 02:41:20,880
belabor because the meetings running on

4101
02:41:20,880 --> 02:41:23,920
a lot of these are very good groups

4102
02:41:23,920 --> 02:41:26,720
well-intentioned projects

4103
02:41:26,720 --> 02:41:28,000
i worry

4104
02:41:28,000 --> 02:41:30,880
that some things where they've made

4105
02:41:30,880 --> 02:41:32,720
they've had ideas and thoughts out there

4106
02:41:32,720 --> 02:41:33,760
before

4107
02:41:33,760 --> 02:41:35,520
where there were cost estimates that

4108
02:41:35,520 --> 02:41:38,399
they had come up with a couple years ago

4109
02:41:38,399 --> 02:41:41,120
those may not be valid today because

4110
02:41:41,120 --> 02:41:44,000
we've seen costs go up the disruptions

4111
02:41:44,000 --> 02:41:46,319
in the supply chain

4112
02:41:46,319 --> 02:41:47,359
and so

4113
02:41:47,359 --> 02:41:49,680
again you may have something that

4114
02:41:49,680 --> 02:41:51,680
looks good on paper you think it's well

4115
02:41:51,680 --> 02:41:52,800
thought out

4116
02:41:52,800 --> 02:41:54,240
and then when you actually go to

4117
02:41:54,240 --> 02:41:56,640
implement it it won't be

4118
02:41:56,640 --> 02:41:58,560
the numbers that the assumptions were

4119
02:41:58,560 --> 02:42:00,319
there and we have to make sure that

4120
02:42:00,319 --> 02:42:01,760
we're going to do things that are in

4121
02:42:01,760 --> 02:42:05,190
fact going to be

4122
02:42:05,200 --> 02:42:07,600
meet the goals under the federal ranks

4123
02:42:07,600 --> 02:42:09,040
but we'll also be able to make the

4124
02:42:09,040 --> 02:42:11,920
timeline to put them in place and

4125
02:42:11,920 --> 02:42:14,560
some of those outside firms we may have

4126
02:42:14,560 --> 02:42:16,319
to bring in to do

4127
02:42:16,319 --> 02:42:17,600
uh

4128
02:42:17,600 --> 02:42:20,080
again that assessment to make sure that

4129
02:42:20,080 --> 02:42:21,200
uh

4130
02:42:21,200 --> 02:42:22,880
everything

4131
02:42:22,880 --> 02:42:24,840
will move ahead of the smooth and

4132
02:42:24,840 --> 02:42:27,439
straightforward man

4133
02:42:27,439 --> 02:42:29,520
well thank you and i'm sure that we will

4134
02:42:29,520 --> 02:42:31,520
need those resources as i said as we go

4135
02:42:31,520 --> 02:42:33,439
through this uncharted territory so

4136
02:42:33,439 --> 02:42:34,960
thank you so it looks like there's a

4137
02:42:34,960 --> 02:42:37,040
majority of the council who's

4138
02:42:37,040 --> 02:42:39,040
uh ready willing to move forward with

4139
02:42:39,040 --> 02:42:40,560
having this committee

4140
02:42:40,560 --> 02:42:42,319
um the second question that was raised

4141
02:42:42,319 --> 02:42:45,600
by mr um damon mr farley was whether or

4142
02:42:45,600 --> 02:42:46,880
not we should we have an open

4143
02:42:46,880 --> 02:42:49,040
application process and i'll um also ask

4144
02:42:49,040 --> 02:42:57,830
the council to weigh in on that

4145
02:42:57,840 --> 02:43:00,720
mr farley yes

4146
02:43:00,720 --> 02:43:03,279
is patrick no

4147
02:43:03,279 --> 02:43:05,840
mr winterberg

4148
02:43:05,840 --> 02:43:07,040
i'm going to vote

4149
02:43:07,040 --> 02:43:08,720
i just mentioned that you know we got to

4150
02:43:08,720 --> 02:43:10,800
get referred to the staff who did all

4151
02:43:10,800 --> 02:43:12,560
this process and get it to us where

4152
02:43:12,560 --> 02:43:13,840
yesterday

4153
02:43:13,840 --> 02:43:15,920
the process is going to reopen back when

4154
02:43:15,920 --> 02:43:17,760
we receive our second

4155
02:43:17,760 --> 02:43:18,960
set of funding

4156
02:43:18,960 --> 02:43:21,200
so i encourage and i will do my part to

4157
02:43:21,200 --> 02:43:22,640
make sure you reach out to who didn't

4158
02:43:22,640 --> 02:43:24,640
submit so please submit

4159
02:43:24,640 --> 02:43:26,960
and get your application on time and we

4160
02:43:26,960 --> 02:43:28,960
can you know consider those applications

4161
02:43:28,960 --> 02:43:35,030
in the next rounds

4162
02:43:35,040 --> 02:43:37,439
it's tutorial no

4163
02:43:37,439 --> 02:43:40,000
mister palomini

4164
02:43:40,000 --> 02:43:41,520
this profile

4165
02:43:41,520 --> 02:43:44,240
so um i you know as we discussed this i

4166
02:43:44,240 --> 02:43:46,800
have to first to um you know for the

4167
02:43:46,800 --> 02:43:48,560
people who put their application in and

4168
02:43:48,560 --> 02:43:50,640
get it on time you know i think we

4169
02:43:50,640 --> 02:43:52,479
definitely have to respect that and even

4170
02:43:52,479 --> 02:43:54,240
if this request had come several weeks

4171
02:43:54,240 --> 02:43:55,760
ago before we really closed the portal

4172
02:43:55,760 --> 02:43:58,080
then i could i could support it but i

4173
02:43:58,080 --> 02:44:00,319
just think uh to for people who did

4174
02:44:00,319 --> 02:44:02,319
their due diligence got it in

4175
02:44:02,319 --> 02:44:03,840
and did what they're supposed to do to

4176
02:44:03,840 --> 02:44:05,680
open it puts them in a disadvantage and

4177
02:44:05,680 --> 02:44:07,200
i'm going to be frank if i were on the

4178
02:44:07,200 --> 02:44:08,880
receiving end of that i would not be

4179
02:44:08,880 --> 02:44:10,399
happy so

4180
02:44:10,399 --> 02:44:12,720
just have to be 100 and um and i

4181
02:44:12,720 --> 02:44:14,880
understand and so we do we need to do a

4182
02:44:14,880 --> 02:44:15,920
better job of maybe getting the

4183
02:44:15,920 --> 02:44:17,600
information out there whatever it is we

4184
02:44:17,600 --> 02:44:19,600
need to do we need to do that again it's

4185
02:44:19,600 --> 02:44:22,399
a learning process for us so but i um i

4186
02:44:22,399 --> 02:44:23,840
would have to go no i could not support

4187
02:44:23,840 --> 02:44:25,359
reopening the process the staff has

4188
02:44:25,359 --> 02:44:28,080
already done a tremendous amount of work

4189
02:44:28,080 --> 02:44:29,520
and putting the applications together

4190
02:44:29,520 --> 02:44:31,439
and all of that so at this point in time

4191
02:44:31,439 --> 02:44:34,399
i cannot support that um i will however

4192
02:44:34,399 --> 02:44:36,319
say that we um

4193
02:44:36,319 --> 02:44:38,160
we should really look at it considering

4194
02:44:38,160 --> 02:44:40,319
opening our next process earlier so by

4195
02:44:40,319 --> 02:44:42,240
the time the money hits the application

4196
02:44:42,240 --> 02:44:44,000
is already there and reviewed

4197
02:44:44,000 --> 02:44:45,760
and we can move forward on a more

4198
02:44:45,760 --> 02:44:47,680
expeditious manner

4199
02:44:47,680 --> 02:44:50,319
if somebody is aware of

4200
02:44:50,319 --> 02:44:52,479
uh somebody who didn't

4201
02:44:52,479 --> 02:44:54,640
meet the timeline

4202
02:44:54,640 --> 02:44:57,279
i'm more than willing to review it and

4203
02:44:57,279 --> 02:44:59,120
the other thing is that we're debating

4204
02:44:59,120 --> 02:45:01,359
or i shouldn't say debates we're all one

4205
02:45:01,359 --> 02:45:03,200
big happy family

4206
02:45:03,200 --> 02:45:03,920
we're

4207
02:45:03,920 --> 02:45:05,760
discussing

4208
02:45:05,760 --> 02:45:06,640
uh

4209
02:45:06,640 --> 02:45:08,800
the options for this one

4210
02:45:08,800 --> 02:45:10,560
chunk of money

4211
02:45:10,560 --> 02:45:12,880
there are other funding streams that are

4212
02:45:12,880 --> 02:45:15,439
out there as mr motavirin pointed out is

4213
02:45:15,439 --> 02:45:16,960
the uh

4214
02:45:16,960 --> 02:45:18,479
infrastructure money there's other

4215
02:45:18,479 --> 02:45:22,790
things in the state so

4216
02:45:22,800 --> 02:45:25,359
money and so if somebody's aware of

4217
02:45:25,359 --> 02:45:27,359
somebody that didn't meet the timeline

4218
02:45:27,359 --> 02:45:30,319
here that doesn't mean that there

4219
02:45:30,319 --> 02:45:32,800
wouldn't be other scenarios that we

4220
02:45:32,800 --> 02:45:35,439
might be able to point into

4221
02:45:35,439 --> 02:45:36,319
to

4222
02:45:36,319 --> 02:45:38,000
again

4223
02:45:38,000 --> 02:45:40,560
have a worthwhile concept project or

4224
02:45:40,560 --> 02:45:42,160
idea

4225
02:45:42,160 --> 02:45:44,720
flushed out and

4226
02:45:44,720 --> 02:45:46,479
developed in a more

4227
02:45:46,479 --> 02:45:49,830
robust manner

4228
02:45:49,840 --> 02:45:51,520
so it looks like you know there's not

4229
02:45:51,520 --> 02:45:53,040
enough support to open the process but

4230
02:45:53,040 --> 02:45:54,720
there are other opportunities to do

4231
02:45:54,720 --> 02:45:58,710
other things

4232
02:45:58,720 --> 02:46:00,880
all right so we will um

4233
02:46:00,880 --> 02:46:03,040
move forward um on you know sending out

4234
02:46:03,040 --> 02:46:05,439
information to uh i'm sorry mr coleman

4235
02:46:05,439 --> 02:46:07,680
sorry i just want to um

4236
02:46:07,680 --> 02:46:09,840
i know there was a strong a strong vote

4237
02:46:09,840 --> 02:46:11,680
on the advisory committee

4238
02:46:11,680 --> 02:46:14,000
um but there wasn't a if there's a

4239
02:46:14,000 --> 02:46:15,760
request or resolute for a resolution

4240
02:46:15,760 --> 02:46:18,479
here uh there wasn't a motion for one

4241
02:46:18,479 --> 02:46:21,040
okay in a second

4242
02:46:21,040 --> 02:46:21,920
so

4243
02:46:21,920 --> 02:46:24,000
let's do that let's uh maybe so i'll

4244
02:46:24,000 --> 02:46:26,800
need a motion to uh

4245
02:46:26,800 --> 02:46:28,800
if you're going to establish a an

4246
02:46:28,800 --> 02:46:30,960
advisory i would recommend that that's

4247
02:46:30,960 --> 02:46:33,359
the process that you do so that's clear

4248
02:46:33,359 --> 02:46:36,309
all right

4249
02:46:36,319 --> 02:46:59,429
so okay

4250
02:46:59,439 --> 02:47:01,040
you know this is to establish an

4251
02:47:01,040 --> 02:47:02,640
advisory committee

4252
02:47:02,640 --> 02:47:03,439
um

4253
02:47:03,439 --> 02:47:06,880
and within that you know obviously

4254
02:47:06,880 --> 02:47:08,560
you know you're not establishing a set

4255
02:47:08,560 --> 02:47:09,680
number

4256
02:47:09,680 --> 02:47:14,550
um you're establishing you know that

4257
02:47:14,560 --> 02:47:16,960
you haven't actually established

4258
02:47:16,960 --> 02:47:18,880
you haven't really

4259
02:47:18,880 --> 02:47:21,200
you're establishing a committee without

4260
02:47:21,200 --> 02:47:23,120
actually saying what that committee is

4261
02:47:23,120 --> 02:47:25,680
going to be made up of

4262
02:47:25,680 --> 02:47:27,600
so i think we just generally say to to

4263
02:47:27,600 --> 02:47:29,359
review the our applications we would you

4264
02:47:29,359 --> 02:47:32,000
know we would have to leave it very open

4265
02:47:32,000 --> 02:47:33,680
and not put in numbers because we don't

4266
02:47:33,680 --> 02:47:34,960
know those numbers yet

4267
02:47:34,960 --> 02:47:36,479
correct we just know we want to uh

4268
02:47:36,479 --> 02:47:39,120
establish a committee

4269
02:47:39,120 --> 02:47:41,840
so i'm a little confused i mean are we

4270
02:47:41,840 --> 02:47:43,760
should we be moving it or not

4271
02:47:43,760 --> 02:47:45,760
this this actually the legislative

4272
02:47:45,760 --> 02:47:47,439
request form

4273
02:47:47,439 --> 02:47:49,840
was that the recommendation would be the

4274
02:47:49,840 --> 02:47:51,439
city council work with some and other

4275
02:47:51,439 --> 02:47:53,840
community groups to identify individuals

4276
02:47:53,840 --> 02:47:55,200
to be part of a team that works with the

4277
02:47:55,200 --> 02:47:57,040
city staff to review the application my

4278
02:47:57,040 --> 02:47:58,880
recommendation is if you're going to

4279
02:47:58,880 --> 02:48:01,840
have these outside groups or individuals

4280
02:48:01,840 --> 02:48:03,600
review applications that were submitted

4281
02:48:03,600 --> 02:48:06,000
to the city for the purpose of providing

4282
02:48:06,000 --> 02:48:08,000
advice to the city council and it's done

4283
02:48:08,000 --> 02:48:09,439
by resolution

4284
02:48:09,439 --> 02:48:11,520
because this information is something

4285
02:48:11,520 --> 02:48:13,040
that

4286
02:48:13,040 --> 02:48:14,880
given what could be in the applications

4287
02:48:14,880 --> 02:48:17,120
in terms of identifying information and

4288
02:48:17,120 --> 02:48:18,479
so forth

4289
02:48:18,479 --> 02:48:20,479
i would suggest that it's set up

4290
02:48:20,479 --> 02:48:26,630
through resolution and not ad hoc

4291
02:48:26,640 --> 02:48:34,070
so

4292
02:48:34,080 --> 02:48:36,950
anyone opposed

4293
02:48:36,960 --> 02:48:38,880
okay

4294
02:48:38,880 --> 02:48:41,439
thank you so we will um get those emails

4295
02:48:41,439 --> 02:48:43,120
out and we'll get that resolution done

4296
02:48:43,120 --> 02:48:44,880
and get the emails out and work towards

4297
02:48:44,880 --> 02:48:47,200
uh developing that committee

4298
02:48:47,200 --> 02:48:48,640
so thank you for that very robust

4299
02:48:48,640 --> 02:48:50,399
discussion

4300
02:48:50,399 --> 02:48:52,080
and hopefully mr truman you'll reach out

4301
02:48:52,080 --> 02:48:53,520
to the mayor and to the department of

4302
02:48:53,520 --> 02:48:54,880
development to see what other

4303
02:48:54,880 --> 02:48:56,800
opportunities there are

4304
02:48:56,800 --> 02:48:59,990
to to get funding

4305
02:49:00,000 --> 02:49:02,479
all right uh the final remaining items

4306
02:49:02,479 --> 02:49:04,640
are all on property sales and will

4307
02:49:04,640 --> 02:49:07,040
therefore be an executive session

4308
02:49:07,040 --> 02:49:10,080
so members of the public will

4309
02:49:10,080 --> 02:49:13,990
make a motion to go to

4310
02:49:14,000 --> 02:49:15,920
all those in favor all right

4311
02:49:15,920 --> 02:49:26,150
thank you we're here

4312
02:49:26,160 --> 02:49:29,160
hmm