[6:36] [Music]
[6:59] uh
[7:05] remember when your kids
[7:06] used to smell it the little paper
[7:09] exactly
[7:11] did i miss it no i owned it
[7:14] [Music]
[7:37] for us
[7:50] so
[8:05] we just started
[8:18] is
[8:51] hmm
[9:09] okay
[9:20] basically
[10:29] hmm
[10:38] um
[10:54] [Music]
[11:04] thank you thank you
[11:13] [Music]
[11:22] council committee meeting for death
[11:23] tuesday january 18 2022
[11:26] and so we'll start with the public
[11:28] safety committee
[11:30] so i'd like to call to order the public
[11:31] safety committee on tonight's agenda we
[11:33] have one item there's a discussion for
[11:35] reducing barriers to the connectivity
[11:38] fire department i'll be spoken to by mr
[11:41] harlow okay thank you okay so currently
[11:44] in schenectady the firepower cars all
[11:46] happen it's the complete
[11:48] college credit course which means that
[11:50] right now the requirements in order for
[11:52] them to be a firefighter you must be a
[11:54] paramedic um after talking um with the
[11:58] assistant chief
[11:59] moreno here and and having some pretty
[12:02] candid conversations and he just has a
[12:03] wealth of knowledge um we're trying to
[12:07] kind of look at this and say
[12:09] we want the highest skilled
[12:12] qualified people working in these very
[12:15] important
[12:16] positions
[12:18] how do we
[12:19] um be intentional about increasing
[12:22] access
[12:23] um an opportunity to become a
[12:25] firefighter in scenicity
[12:27] um and we're kind of thinking about
[12:29] and having some conversations about how
[12:31] do we open up the access but at the same
[12:33] time maintaining and increasing you know
[12:36] the safety of residents that live here
[12:37] in the city is connected
[12:39] um so like i said we're just kind of in
[12:41] the early parts of the conversation but
[12:43] i want to bring it up i'm here and get
[12:45] um get some input uh and invite you know
[12:47] everyone else to into the conversation
[12:49] about how do we do that
[12:51] in a way that um
[12:53] maintains that standard because we're
[12:55] not into lowering standards that's not a
[12:56] place that we can afford to do so but
[12:58] maybe um look at
[13:01] the order of of
[13:03] you know right now you can't even you
[13:05] know part of the parts like to talk to
[13:06] you unless you're apparent right now how
[13:09] it's written but you know there are ways
[13:10] that where you can kind of maintain that
[13:12] expectation um throughout your uh
[13:16] employment uh
[13:18] and time here with the firefighters and
[13:19] there's also some um
[13:21] interest uh from our schenectady city
[13:23] school district and
[13:25] sec about doing some um pilot uh public
[13:28] safety tracks um to kind of uh
[13:31] expose some of the youth to uh what it's
[13:33] like to be a
[13:35] firefighter and or you know law
[13:37] enforcement in the city of connecticut
[13:38] so
[13:39] that's just kind of where we're at right
[13:40] now but um
[13:42] assistant chief fatigue yes yes
[13:44] and i want to acknowledge our assistant
[13:46] chief don here um again we're just in
[13:49] if you wanted to share anything any
[13:51] thoughts about that
[13:52] yeah could you come up and explain what
[13:54] it currently is
[13:56] to become a firefighter
[13:57] in the city
[14:05] [Music]
[14:08] is
[14:16] okay so currently uh the process is
[14:19] uh simply request civil service to
[14:23] make an announcement for another
[14:25] uh test
[14:26] of the civil service exam which we
[14:28] currently have one active that's going
[14:30] to close in january january 31st it's
[14:34] been open since the 1st goes january
[14:35] 31st
[14:36] the test will be march 19th
[14:40] in order to take the test you have to uh
[14:44] be a resident of
[14:46] connecticut county or the contingent
[14:48] counties
[14:50] that's number one number two you have to
[14:51] be 20 years old
[14:53] and number three you have to be you have
[14:55] to hold an emt card
[14:57] and then you'll be able to sit for the
[14:58] test
[14:59] after that you take the test
[15:01] um
[15:02] you bring all your
[15:04] qualifications to civil service to keep
[15:06] track
[15:07] and you won't get an interview with the
[15:09] city with the fire department unless you
[15:13] have 60 college credits
[15:15] and
[15:17] you have a paramedic card
[15:19] and also you've got the physical agility
[15:21] test those are the three qualifications
[15:24] at that point if you're still
[15:26] qualified then we would invite those
[15:29] people in
[15:31] after the interview if you move beyond
[15:34] that
[15:35] we send you for a physical
[15:38] for a mental health check
[15:41] and uh
[15:42] fingerprints
[15:44] and a
[15:45] background check
[15:47] and if all that goes
[15:49] well
[15:50] then we'll talk about
[15:52] employment
[15:55] thank you
[15:58] are you any questions from our fellow
[16:00] counselors in schools
[16:01] um
[16:02] chief could you tell us a little bit
[16:04] about um
[16:05] in terms of the
[16:07] for example you had the open house a few
[16:09] weeks ago um and some of the other
[16:11] initiatives that you currently have
[16:12] underway to
[16:14] try to um be recruiting especially from
[16:17] within
[16:18] our city yeah
[16:19] we prefer to hire within the city for
[16:22] numerous reasons
[16:24] so we target all our recruitment efforts
[16:27] within the city
[16:28] we use facebook footage they go a little
[16:31] bit outside city libraries
[16:33] so we use facebook we've had an ad
[16:36] campaign
[16:38] billboards we've spoken to the media
[16:40] many of our media partners have run
[16:44] different articles we've done interviews
[16:46] that way
[16:48] spoken to all neighborhood groups
[16:50] talking to other groups um
[16:53] that operate within the city so all our
[16:56] efforts have been targeted with this
[16:58] prior to covet i think i mentioned this
[17:00] from the last time i was here
[17:02] that this is all short-term or
[17:04] short-term plans
[17:06] long-term plans we want to get in
[17:08] within the city schools
[17:11] to kind of plant the sea
[17:13] for
[17:13] young people coming up that then think that this could be an
[17:18] option for them
[17:19] uh that's more of a long-term game
[17:21] and because the colbert that got
[17:24] sidelined we're now
[17:26] in conversation with several people to
[17:28] try to
[17:29] make that uh
[17:33] that's long term
[17:36] any other questions mr
[17:38] yes mr williams so um chief
[17:41] the qualifications that are set now how
[17:44] long have they been in place for
[17:46] firefighters paramedics here in the city
[17:50] exactly where we're doing it now i'm
[17:51] going to guess about 20 years
[17:53] and and what do you where do you think
[17:55] our ranking is statewide or
[17:57] nationally even as far as us being such
[18:00] a
[18:00] great fire department paramedic unit
[18:02] with the qualifications that we set for
[18:05] our
[18:06] third parties and paramedics
[18:08] i think we're
[18:09] not only originally
[18:11] recognized
[18:13] state recognized and then also
[18:15] nationally
[18:16] we've had there have been articles about
[18:18] us
[18:18] within some of the uh
[18:21] career
[18:22] magazines fire house and fire
[18:23] engineering uh so we're very well
[18:26] respected
[18:28] it's a very efficiently run department um
[18:34] we can go into details but i'm not going
[18:36] to get deep into what's here
[18:40] we do nearly 20 000 calls
[18:44] and we have 117 paradox when you start
[18:48] comparing that to other departments
[18:51] um
[18:52] they don't compare they do a good job
[18:54] but they don't compare to what we're
[18:55] doing
[18:57] which
[18:59] on certain calls may be a very recent
[19:01] call
[19:01] it's extremely important
[19:04] to have that level of care
[19:06] when things are going south things are
[19:07] going bad you want to make sure you have
[19:10] your highest level of care
[19:12] which we did
[19:14] on the call i'm thinking about
[19:17] thank you for all you do thank you so
[19:19] much
[19:23] so right now you have so every
[19:24] firefighter is a paramedic
[19:27] so when you were initially talking you
[19:28] said in order to take the test they only
[19:30] had to have their emt card right they
[19:32] could be 20 years old 20 years old right
[19:34] to be appointed
[19:36] 21 years old
[19:39] have a paramedic card
[19:40] so okay between taking taking the test
[19:43] and actually applying they have to
[19:44] finish those 60 credits which a lot of
[19:47] people don't take it as an emt as
[19:49] they're pursuing their paramedics
[20:02] okay
[20:04] and um
[20:07] the other question is um
[20:08] because i talked to this to ben and i
[20:10] can't remember his last name ben
[20:14] do you or um we talked about perhaps
[20:16] having a like a cadet program sort of
[20:18] like the police do but for
[20:20] younger people who want to um
[20:23] who may want to become firefighters
[20:26] like a cadet program today yes
[20:30] so is that something is that what you're
[20:31] talking about when you talk about the
[20:33] schools or is that something different
[20:36] no that would be
[20:38] i wouldn't call it that program but it
[20:39] would be
[20:40] an opportunity to speak to young people
[20:44] have them see us on a regular basis
[20:47] so they say you know i'm not firing down
[20:49] i'm just dying and this is what i do for
[20:52] a living
[20:53] and you plant the seed
[20:55] that's a long term goal because those
[20:57] individuals would be 16 17 18 they
[21:00] couldn't take the test but they
[21:03] could go to emt school paramedic school
[21:06] and get their
[21:07] you know get exposed to it and see if
[21:10] there's something it's curious out for
[21:12] everybody
[21:15] [Music]
[21:17] again students so it's my understanding
[21:19] that hudson valley i'm sorry hudson
[21:21] valley community college has um the type
[21:24] of program that someone would need to go
[21:26] through
[21:28] the paramedic so let's go
[21:30] there's lots of scholarships there's
[21:31] lots of financial aid available to folks
[21:34] that choose to
[21:35] go to hudson valley so in terms of the
[21:38] affordability
[21:39] of going through the paramedic program
[21:41] that sort of
[21:42] is helped by the financial
[21:45] you know first of all the low tuition
[21:47] but secondly i know that i know the
[21:49] scope of the scholarship potential that
[21:51] the community colleges offer
[21:54] so
[21:55] do we get a lot of folks that go through
[21:58] that program are there folks going
[21:59] through other programs and then could
[22:01] you also speak a little bit about the
[22:03] kind of
[22:05] the physical the physicality
[22:07] of what also is required um
[22:10] in terms of you know i'm certainly not
[22:12] going to be someone that's going to be
[22:13] able to get on a week or two o'clock in
[22:15] the morning a nice storm
[22:16] um you know kind of thing but the kind
[22:19] of physical training
[22:20] the mechanical ability in terms of some
[22:23] of the i know when i did my ride along
[22:25] and and toured the fire departments just
[22:27] the kinds of things that our
[22:29] firefighters have to do to maintain our
[22:31] equipment
[22:32] um so
[22:34] basically the program
[22:35] access to that program at hudson valley
[22:37] just your your thoughts on that as well
[22:39] as the physical nature and the
[22:41] mechanical aptitude that someone would
[22:43] need
[22:44] we had our open house i think it was
[22:45] december 10th i remember right now and
[22:48] at the open house we had a
[22:49] representative from hudson valley
[22:52] gentleman came
[22:54] they've been very good that's very
[22:55] helpful or
[22:57] they assist us in the way that we need
[22:59] and when we came in
[23:01] uh
[23:02] we asked specifically because we have
[23:04] some people come through we have
[23:06] specifically about opportunities
[23:07] financial opportunities
[23:09] and he did confirm what we thought that
[23:11] there are those but those are in an
[23:13] individual basis a person would have to
[23:15] go and you know they talk about us to
[23:17] see exactly where they would
[23:19] those opportunities are there being told
[23:22] there are other opportunities maybe for
[23:24] people that need assistance
[23:27] and i don't know all of them
[23:29] hudson valley
[23:31] and culpa skill rhino paramedic program
[23:36] there is a day course and a night course
[23:38] the day course
[23:38] [Music]
[23:40] takes approximately a year
[23:42] the main course is a little slower pace
[23:44] will take two years
[23:46] and both hudson valley and
[23:48] cocoa skill
[23:54] about the physical nature in terms of
[23:56] that training as well and the mechanical
[23:58] aspects yeah
[23:59] um
[24:01] so this is a little college
[24:03] um
[24:04] there are many aspects to the gym to the
[24:07] career just besides
[24:09] you know putting the wet stuff under
[24:10] itself
[24:12] oh yeah
[24:14] and if a person has
[24:15] mechanical ability it's going to assist
[24:17] them and we get people from all parts of
[24:20] like all
[24:21] always you know all different
[24:24] they're in different places right
[24:26] some people are very strong here
[24:29] when we get them we them to where they
[24:32] need to be we work with them
[24:34] some go quicker so we can take a little
[24:36] more work
[24:38] but to get somebody that has that
[24:40] mechanical skill
[24:42] or or
[24:44] you know whatever
[24:45] we're dealing with heating
[24:48] um
[24:50] issues furnaces right we're dealing with
[24:53] water issues we're dealing with
[24:55] medical issues we're dealing with um
[24:58] asthmaticians weapons of mass
[25:00] instruction
[25:03] and not everyone's going to come in with
[25:04] all those skills so we have to train and
[25:06] we do that
[25:08] um as far as physically it is a physical
[25:11] job it's a young person's job
[25:14] you go from
[25:16] zero to 60 in a matter of seconds
[25:19] several years ago one of the news
[25:21] stations did a
[25:22] study they put somebody on a monitor
[25:26] and they just work with them all day
[25:27] long
[25:28] you know all the different things they
[25:29] were doing and they watch your heart
[25:31] rate be at about 55 60 64 whatever
[25:36] we call it the bell it's not the volume
[25:38] or but when the call comes in
[25:40] this person's heart rate went from 60 to
[25:43] 120 in about 20 seconds that i'm not
[25:46] exaggerating
[25:47] it's just
[25:48] so that alone takes its toll
[25:50] so now you're
[25:52] doing whatever
[25:53] complaining about mourinho's chicken
[25:55] farm
[25:59] and the next thing you know three
[26:00] minutes later
[26:02] you're crawling through smoking flames
[26:04] going for that child that's opening the
[26:06] second floor
[26:07] it takes a toll
[26:09] so there's
[26:11] physicality is is a major part of it
[26:15] so um definitely appreciate all the
[26:17] comments chief marino simply put not to
[26:19] belabor the topic over the course of
[26:21] your tenure as a firefighter would you
[26:22] say recruitment has
[26:24] risen stayed the same or declined
[26:28] in
[26:29] numbers correct
[26:31] that's declined great so um
[26:34] i definitely appreciate our
[26:35] conversations that we've had on the
[26:37] topic i think it's apparent from
[26:38] everyone that's been in the room that
[26:40] something needs to change
[26:42] i appreciate mr farley's comments and
[26:44] also bringing up this agenda item
[26:47] but i think you hit it on the head chief
[26:49] moreno what we have to measure our
[26:51] short-term or long-term benefits and
[26:52] what direction we seek for this
[26:54] connectivity for the safety fire
[26:56] department
[26:57] i definitely understand that
[26:59] unfortunately there may be some adverse
[27:01] impacts that are prohibiting people from
[27:03] submitting their applications
[27:05] unbeknownst to
[27:06] scholarship grants or opportunities i
[27:08] know for me personally working in
[27:10] employment sometimes takes an illness
[27:12] over individuals career aspirations
[27:14] but i appreciate all the efforts you've
[27:16] done to get in front of this issue
[27:18] because we need to make sure that we
[27:19] continue to stack our fire department to
[27:22] the best of its abilities especially to
[27:24] meet these demanding
[27:25] criteria that you alluded to tonight so
[27:28] what i would love to see is having
[27:30] members from our local institutions come
[27:33] to include our colleges
[27:35] and also
[27:36] high schools to be able to
[27:37] collaboratively get around this issue
[27:39] and make sure that we have a pipeline in
[27:40] place so that we are targeting
[27:42] individuals
[27:43] to also include potentially curtailing
[27:46] some of the initial
[27:48] uh requirements not from the standpoint
[27:49] of lowering our expectations but just to
[27:51] make sure that we have the people and
[27:53] the right people skilled to perform our
[27:55] duties so
[27:57] i would like to see this put back on for
[27:59] another two weeks question
[28:02] is there an upper age limit sorry is
[28:04] there an upper age limit that you can
[28:06] like after you get to age
[28:08] 35 you can no longer so it's as long as
[28:10] you're physically fit you can you can
[28:12] actually and have everything else in
[28:14] place at this moment there's no cut off
[28:16] age limit as long as you can pass the
[28:17] physical damage i use myself as an
[28:19] example no but you're already here
[28:21] no no i don't mean i don't think is
[28:23] there an age do you have to age out at
[28:25] some point but no there's no way no
[28:27] there's no okay
[28:29] well that's good to know
[28:30] carl
[28:31] mccartney
[28:33] just when you're talking about
[28:34] recruitment you have to
[28:36] where the numbers have gone down you
[28:38] know one time we staffed the department
[28:40] within excess of the think of 150
[28:43] people today we have
[28:45] budgeted 117 firefighters from the
[28:48] command staff
[28:50] we're normally looking for
[28:52] three
[28:53] four five people a year
[28:56] to fill the slot so it's not necessarily
[28:59] quantity it's quality and matching up
[29:01] those individuals who have the interest
[29:03] and the skill set to do the job
[29:06] uh because at covet and other things
[29:08] where we put a hiring freeze i think
[29:10] we're down now nine
[29:13] firefighters we're down right now by
[29:15] the end of january
[29:19] some retirements have been coming out so
[29:21] it's a little bit unusual now
[29:23] but
[29:24] it's to again reach out and
[29:27] get people to come in
[29:29] and
[29:31] it's how do you identify just the one or
[29:34] two individuals sometimes the shotgun
[29:36] where you want 100
[29:37] is not really what you're looking for somebody that has
[29:40] that skill set
[29:42] and schenectady was
[29:44] the first really to offer a paramedic
[29:47] program we're right now the first that
[29:49] is doing some of the
[29:51] telemedicine
[29:53] so
[29:54] we're putting more responsibility
[29:57] in doing more and
[30:02] it's also look at the revenue side
[30:06] to get reimbursed for some of the work
[30:08] that we do or some of the stuff that's
[30:09] not today reimbursable
[30:12] uh anything we get some
[30:14] als calls advanced life support
[30:19] the bls calls the basic life support
[30:24] just under the insurance reimbursement
[30:26] we don't get anything we're looking now
[30:27] to leave patients in place
[30:30] and do other support
[30:32] diagnostic treatment
[30:35] evaluation
[30:36] it's how you shift that model for
[30:39] reimbursement in
[30:42] improving not only the outcome
[30:44] but
[30:45] just the convenience of treating people
[30:48] so that they're getting the appropriate
[30:49] level of care
[30:51] or they may not need the full suite of
[30:52] services in an emergency room it may be
[30:55] an urgent care center
[30:56] maybe getting it scheduled with a
[30:59] doctor or some other medical provider in
[31:02] a reasonable period of time and so
[31:04] uh you're looking at recruitment it's
[31:07] also where the whole delivery of service
[31:09] model is starting to shift here in
[31:11] schenectady is leading in that
[31:14] and it's a substantial commitment when i
[31:16] look when i hire a firefighter i'm
[31:19] making a commitment on behalf of the
[31:20] city's connection for about three and a
[31:22] half million almost four million dollars
[31:25] in today's dollars of what they will pay
[31:28] during their career and retirement
[31:31] benefits that we provide to them
[31:37] before you know my my response would be
[31:38] similar to the military and their
[31:40] recruitment platforms you would
[31:41] traditionally go to the high schools
[31:43] that
[31:44] recruits just to save time and just
[31:46] economics of scale but what
[31:48] systematically happened is you would be
[31:51] uh
[31:52] not appealing to other communities so
[31:54] just looking at the situation from a
[31:56] different perspective to ensure that
[31:57] everyone is given the opportunity
[31:59] because communication is
[32:01] dual responsibilities to make sure that
[32:03] we're doing our part to make sure that
[32:04] these announcements and opportunities
[32:07] are afforded to everyone
[32:09] but i think this type of credit first
[32:12] oh no i was just i was just kind of
[32:14] gonna figure back on that to say like
[32:16] you know as we um i'm really proud of
[32:19] the steps that the city's taking you
[32:21] know and innovative ways of service
[32:23] delivery i think is something that is
[32:25] going to be key um moving forward so i
[32:28] think that that just really uh amplifies
[32:30] the importance of partnering with
[32:32] city school district and other
[32:35] educational institutions you know so
[32:37] we're casting a wider net um at the same
[32:40] time we are not only maintaining but
[32:42] really we're increasing you know
[32:45] that uh requirement of skill level skill
[32:47] set um and we get a larger pool of
[32:50] qualified uh
[32:51] applicants um to select from and i think
[32:54] that that just really uh
[32:56] makes us a stronger safer uh uh
[32:58] community so again i i commend the
[33:00] efforts and i really appreciate the
[33:02] steps that we're taking as a city i
[33:04] think this is something that we should
[33:06] continue to do
[33:08] patrick i just wanted to say as a
[33:10] closing comment that i think that we're
[33:12] just so fortunate here
[33:14] in our city and in the county because
[33:17] obviously we're also out on all those
[33:18] calls as well and the fact that when our
[33:22] folks
[33:22] show up and most you know a lot of times
[33:25] it's a medical call
[33:27] we're going to have all paramedics
[33:29] that are going to be able to provide
[33:31] those services those are life-saving
[33:33] services
[33:34] and at that level as opposed to an emt
[33:37] which i mean
[33:39] there's just so many more things that a
[33:40] paramedic is allowed to do in terms of
[33:43] administering an iv administering
[33:45] medication i mean they are really saving
[33:47] lives and we're fortunate for that i
[33:49] think the telemedicine piece again
[33:53] you know to be able to have a paramedic
[33:55] on the other end of that is going to
[33:56] benefit all of us as well so i
[33:58] appreciate that we have on the standards
[34:00] that we have in place and i am
[34:03] happy to not see any change
[34:05] in that as we continue to do the kind of
[34:07] recruiting that we do so i just wanted to commend
[34:10] you for that and say thank you to all to
[34:14] all of our fire
[34:15] fighters because it really is to our
[34:17] benefit that we have such a such a
[34:19] highly skilled
[34:21] uh
[34:22] force
[34:24] thank you so thank you so much
[34:26] can i just ask a question though because
[34:27] you said the paramedics i thought don't
[34:29] we have doctors on the other end with
[34:32] televisions well
[34:34] paramedics are in the field right but
[34:36] the doctor is the guy answering the
[34:37] questions that wherever he is okay uh
[34:40] depending on the fact pattern the call
[34:42] yes oh i'm sorry
[34:44] i just wanted that our folks were taking
[34:46] those so i think the mayor said our
[34:50] paramedics work with the doctor
[34:53] on the uh on the other side of you guys
[34:56] gotcha and they want paramedics
[34:59] on our side
[35:00] um
[35:02] training level schooling in emt is
[35:04] approximately eight weeks
[35:06] and a paramedic is very
[35:09] close to here yeah so
[35:12] it's night and day yeah
[35:15] and if i may say one more thing
[35:18] um
[35:21] every solution
[35:23] creates other challenges
[35:26] so we've had some really good
[35:28] conversation we've talked about that
[35:30] there's no one panacea to this
[35:33] there's a lot of ways chief likes to say
[35:35] we know we're here
[35:37] here's where we want to go how are we
[35:38] doing
[35:40] the challenge
[35:42] i guess i'm just imposing our i want to
[35:44] just reiterate for anyone to to be clear
[35:47] that in no way are you looking to lower
[35:51] up here
[35:54] this is one of our you know strong
[35:55] points of the community that we want to
[35:57] build on um so it's quite the opposite
[36:00] of that so i just want to make sure that
[36:02] we're all clear to understanding that
[36:04] it's it's a right to point to we know
[36:06] where we're at we know where we want to
[36:08] get and where we want to get there's not
[36:09] include a lower standard of care it
[36:12] includes a higher standard of care and
[36:14] so how do we get that and that's where
[36:15] the direction of the conversation
[36:16] involved so thank you for your time well
[36:19] thank you thank you thank you um so
[36:22] motion what's up
[36:26] here
[36:36] right uh if i can get a motion to
[36:38] redress
[36:52] of this question to come forward the
[36:54] committee
[36:55] motion to
[36:56] if i can emotionally adjourn seconds
[36:59] second almost in favor
[37:01] and we are trying to thank you
[37:05] all for the finance committee on the
[37:07] force item is a 20 22 hot emergency
[37:09] solution grant for the 90
[37:12] players of new york king
[37:14] that's kristen died
[37:22] um this request is in relation to our
[37:24] emergency solutions grant that was
[37:26] awarded through the cares act as part of
[37:28] the coronavirus pandemic
[37:30] um
[37:32] uh you know the cares act so this this
[37:34] request is coming from the ywca
[37:37] and they are looking to
[37:40] basically just remove funding from what
[37:42] was allocated so originally when this
[37:44] was allocated it was kind of speculation
[37:46] on what was going to be the highest need
[37:47] so they've seen an increase in need for
[37:49] emergency shelter here
[37:51] and so the request is basically to move
[37:53] forty thousand dollars
[37:55] um to the emergency shelter line from
[37:58] the rapid rehousing line
[38:00] um
[38:01] and so we are just requesting a
[38:03] resolution accepting this change
[38:06] to
[38:08] the funding to emergency shelter
[38:12] any questions
[38:14] come in
[38:17] we have a motion
[38:19] second one second all a favor all right
[38:23] the next item you are requesting
[38:25] um
[38:30] okay thank you the next item is
[38:32] authorizing the mail for answering to an
[38:34] agreement with saratoga associate for
[38:36] design service
[38:38] related to the construction of the new
[38:39] pool at central park using our perform
[38:43] mr mayor
[38:44] thank you mr chairman uh
[38:47] general discussions on this uh swimming
[38:50] pool this would be to retain
[38:53] saratoga associates
[38:55] and have uh
[38:57] aquatica who did a presentation function
[39:00] as a
[39:01] subcontractor
[39:04] with the architectural firms to start to
[39:06] do
[39:08] the design work and preliminary layout
[39:12] for the pool this would include
[39:14] community engagement
[39:15] uh some of the other uh
[39:19] ancillary
[39:20] potential projects that may
[39:23] happen
[39:24] with the a diamond
[39:26] with uh tennis courts
[39:30] and uh i don't know chris or any other
[39:34] things that would be in the scope of the
[39:35] works
[39:37] yeah we're looking at
[39:38] access
[39:40] parking pass uh particles yeah
[39:44] it's it's it's not just the uh the scope
[39:46] of work is not limited to the pool
[39:48] itself um this is in cooperation with
[39:51] the our application that was submitted
[39:54] by myself and the mayor
[39:56] for not only the pool but the ancillary
[39:59] features that would uh would help pool
[40:02] better acclimate to the park into the
[40:04] surrounding areas of the community so
[40:07] that is why it's just uh where the
[40:09] presentation was you know the pool
[40:10] itself we had an estimate of three
[40:12] million dollars however when we wanted
[40:14] to really bring it into everything else
[40:16] the cost was closer to a determining
[40:18] cost of five hence the fee was based off
[40:21] of that desire of
[40:30] is this 450 part of the 5.5 yes
[40:34] okay and that's
[40:35] forfeit this point not to exceed so
[40:41] they would do the community outreach
[40:43] design workup so that those numbers are
[40:47] kind of vague at this point
[40:50] just this will enable us to have a
[40:52] firmer
[40:54] estimate in terms of what the cost would
[40:56] be in the scope of the work for the
[40:58] actual project or
[41:00] getting the ancillary undertakings that
[41:02] we may decide to do
[41:05] so aquatica is acting as a sub
[41:08] contractor for design
[41:12] specialization on the uh
[41:15] swimming pools oh sorry associated
[41:18] design will be
[41:21] [Music]
[41:29] all the code requirements any features
[41:31] that are
[41:32] interior to the pool walls so to speak
[41:35] but once you would get out of the pool
[41:37] out onto either like the concrete
[41:39] surface or the area that would still be
[41:41] within the fence that's where the
[41:43] serotonin associates would take off with
[41:45] a landscape design and the site design
[41:48] of it so the two of them will be working
[41:50] just like this because you know
[41:52] the pool is something the pump house
[41:54] there's a lot of components there's a
[41:56] service associates would do the bath
[41:58] house that's not a pool portion that's a
[42:00] norman architecture portion and then how
[42:02] it integrates with the tennis facilities
[42:05] the rose the fair and the parking hockey
[42:07] agent and all that that's stereotype
[42:10] associates for the black cup they have a
[42:13] substance also be in here there's also a
[42:15] need to have a survey that's another
[42:17] sub-consultant fee so this is a it's a it's a layered project that would
[42:22] have several different people working on it
[42:26] and this is like the mayor said to get
[42:28] moving on the first part is what you saw
[42:30] everything that you saw was a high-level
[42:33] concept so that we could show you what
[42:35] there is
[42:36] possible however we really don't know
[42:38] what
[42:39] we would like to do until we sit down
[42:41] and talk about sizing and programming
[42:43] and really the space of what we what
[42:45] we'd like to finally see
[42:49] is this going to be a design build
[42:51] with saratoga associates on the
[42:53] iphone
[42:54] this would be a design build not a
[42:57] design better than traditional sense of
[42:58] what it is that we would design it and
[43:01] then we would fit it
[43:02] so we are but that's the next thing this
[43:05] is getting that jump start on getting
[43:07] designed because if if everything goes
[43:10] through the applications and the
[43:12] schedule is as we talked about that the
[43:14] goal would be to have
[43:16] some of this ready in the ground for the
[43:18] end of this year so that it can be
[43:20] wrapped up at the latter part of the
[43:21] early part of 2023 for possible use in
[43:25] 2023 um so that's why
[43:27] the mayor elected to get this ahead so
[43:29] that we don't lose that time
[43:36] so with respect to the 450 service fee
[43:52] with respect to the 450 000 uh service
[43:56] fee uh can you speak to mr wong or
[43:59] american carpet how this entity was
[44:01] selected and then if other bids were
[44:04] taken into consideration because there's
[44:06] no way with this is one estimate to
[44:07] understand that they're
[44:09] being asked too high or too low
[44:11] sure uh this is a professional service
[44:13] the state typically does not
[44:15] bid professional services so for this
[44:18] particular service what the city usually
[44:20] does under engineering is
[44:23] i put out what we call term agreements
[44:26] i have a term agreements with a
[44:28] multitude of firms
[44:30] each firm is pre-selected so right now
[44:32] i'm working with mr holden in the
[44:34] mayor's office i have term agreements
[44:36] with approximately nine firms that are
[44:38] pre-selected we have
[44:40] two architects traditional we have three
[44:42] civil engineers we have two landscape
[44:44] architects and i have a mechanical
[44:45] market
[44:46] those firms are all working with me to
[44:48] supplement my staff or lack thereof
[44:52] to get the work done that i need to get
[44:54] done here
[44:55] so when this project was presented we
[44:58] wanted to find a specialty
[45:00] pools are very special there are not a
[45:02] lot of pool contractors so the mayor
[45:05] asked me to reach out we reached out to
[45:06] aquatica who had done some surveys of
[45:08] our existing pools in the past and we
[45:11] brought them in
[45:12] uh aquatic met with the mayor myself and
[45:14] our staff and they said listen we are
[45:17] ready and available to do this work
[45:20] as a professional service for the pool
[45:22] design however
[45:23] they said that you know we do the pool
[45:26] we do not do the ancillary
[45:28] so then i started looking at the best
[45:30] fit for doing the ancillary work
[45:32] saratoga associates we've engaged them
[45:34] already previously under a previous
[45:36] contract the contract was for central
[45:39] park way finding parking signage and
[45:42] pass
[45:44] that project we worked on with the
[45:46] mayor's office uh chris vanzano who was
[45:48] here and we actually have a report
[45:50] that's already done with some
[45:52] recommended features i don't know if
[45:53] you've seen it before but had some fair
[45:55] acting parking some paths
[45:57] and the reason that that project kind of
[45:59] ran up was it done right before covent
[46:02] which is difficult and it was done with
[46:04] a funding issue which was how do we
[46:06] actually build it there was a lot of
[46:07] discussion about how to do it but it
[46:09] wasn't a priority with everything that's
[46:11] going on so now in this to circle back
[46:13] to this project when we got to here it
[46:15] was they were kind of a natural fit to
[46:18] bring in so that we weren't redoing
[46:20] things because we're talking about a
[46:21] location that's central to fair avenue
[46:23] central to the a diamond where we
[46:24] already had them
[46:25] and their skill set
[46:27] already being for this kind of thing and
[46:29] we already had them on a term agreement
[46:31] so that's how we brought them in but to
[46:34] your point you're exactly right
[46:36] we do not have this bid
[46:38] a typical thing that we do is when it
[46:40] comes to that to design services and
[46:43] this we use the rule of ten percent
[46:45] so when i put in the arpa application it
[46:47] was we know that we wanted around five
[46:49] million dollars based off of estimates
[46:50] 10
[46:51] the most usually see is 500 i talked
[46:54] with them we worked out you know they
[46:55] said do you want us to do the survey do
[46:57] you want us to do this and said i said
[46:58] you have to do it all i don't have time
[47:00] to subcontract yourself
[47:02] so then we talked about when we came to
[47:03] this fee of 450 000 which is slightly
[47:06] less than the 10
[47:07] and that's i mean honestly you're here
[47:11] you're going to get that fee right
[47:12] around there regardless um that's kind
[47:14] of where that is uh aquatica is in there
[47:17] aquatica's fee was roughly 80 000 for
[47:19] the pool because the pool was a lesser
[47:21] cost and their design is less
[47:23] so
[47:24] and that's usually how we work with
[47:26] professional services because to do
[47:27] everything with a bid for the
[47:29] professional services we would quadruple
[47:31] my my workload
[47:33] so just to bring it up that's how we are
[47:35] and like i said i do have that service
[47:37] list and it's a three-year contract
[47:40] uh that we do with the professional
[47:42] services issues and the supplemental um
[47:44] and then we have a whole different thing
[47:46] which you see which is federal or state
[47:47] which we follow different requirements
[47:49] other than our own
[47:57] i put in a lot of time in working with
[47:59] andrew and the mayor's office to to
[48:00] really get to this so that we're we're
[48:02] above board with everything that we do
[48:18] my following question to understanding
[48:20] more that the services that they're
[48:21] providing are with the pool was that
[48:24] correct
[48:26] with the pool
[48:27] and hillary clinton and and so that's one of the things i just wanted
[48:31] to make sure
[48:32] this is not just a hole in the ground
[48:34] we're talking about the pool it's going
[48:36] to have utility servicing that might not
[48:38] service it already we're talking about a
[48:40] pump house a separate building because
[48:42] that's kind of one of the layouts that
[48:43] we had thought about
[48:45] a bath house that's a considerable size
[48:47] compared to what we don't have a
[48:48] bathhouse now um ancillary concrete
[48:51] around the area to service it concrete
[48:53] as you know is expensive there were
[48:55] parking lighting
[48:57] possible cameras you know some of the
[48:59] things that we're looking at access past
[49:01] so all of that design um so that's where
[49:04] we're segmenting it but there are a lot
[49:06] of components that are going to go into
[49:07] there and then as part of this if it
[49:09] once again as part of the discussion i
[49:12] would like to roll into that ancillary
[49:14] cost outside of the pool
[49:16] some of the work that we've already done
[49:17] which is way finding signage you know
[49:20] where you come into fair avenue how to
[49:22] get to the pool how to get to parking
[49:23] where music is because we've already
[49:25] done that work and i think it really
[49:27] blends itself in nicely to have that
[49:29] done at the same time
[49:30] um so yeah and everything's going to
[49:33] we'll discuss it as a group once we have
[49:34] a committee everything comes to bid you
[49:36] guys are welcome to see any of the plans
[49:38] that we develop and this is a new thing for myself it's a new thing
[49:42] for you know this group the city has not
[49:44] built the pool in quite a while
[49:48] so we're looking forward to it
[49:50] but it is it is specialized and uh
[49:54] yeah i don't have much to say about it i
[49:57] think we're going down the right back so
[49:59] seeking clarification were these uh
[50:03] resources taken into consideration other
[50:06] pools that are in the city i would say
[50:07] that because we received a
[50:09] uh
[50:10] not a complaint but but an email from a
[50:13] local resident just asking for us to
[50:15] evaluate
[50:16] another local pool resource and i'd just
[50:18] like to know if it's appropriate to
[50:20] potentially extend
[50:22] this
[50:23] initial
[50:24] investment opportunity to include other
[50:26] areas of the city so that we're not
[50:27] duplicating expenses and resources
[50:29] entirely if that's us
[50:31] defensively
[50:33] this
[50:34] is moving forward though because of
[50:36] issues that we have with the current
[50:38] pool in the central park
[50:41] uh with the county department of health
[50:43] where it doesn't meet the current
[50:45] standards
[50:46] so that if we don't move forward in some
[50:49] manner show them good faith we're
[50:51] looking to correct that
[50:54] is possibly just get shut down and
[50:56] wouldn't be able to use it at all
[50:58] the other pools in the city
[51:02] have
[51:04] and we put splash pad woodlawn
[51:07] front street
[51:09] you have to look at each one in terms of
[51:10] what the needs are
[51:12] and
[51:13] this again would use more as an example
[51:15] of what we can do or can't do and then
[51:18] roll it into other projects
[51:21] is we're going through the not only the
[51:22] arba
[51:23] process but capital projects that we
[51:26] would look to entertain
[51:28] this year next year and a year down the
[51:31] road
[51:32] if you want my honest unsolicited
[51:34] opinion without bouncing it off everyone
[51:36] else uh to that end to what you're
[51:39] discussing i think it's a it's a great
[51:41] uh path to go down but i would recommend
[51:44] that either you know the the health and
[51:46] recreation committee become involved
[51:48] with also the parks and rec committee we
[51:50] have the budget that we're bringing on a
[51:52] parks director
[51:53] and that yourselves and the two
[51:55] committees
[51:56] work towards
[51:58] june
[51:59] when we do the budget for 2023 because i
[52:02] think that what you're going to find is
[52:03] when you go down the avenue of looking
[52:05] at the other pools
[52:07] it's going to it's going to blossom into
[52:08] a larger task than we think that for
[52:11] this you know this is a i think trying
[52:12] to keep it singularly focused
[52:15] and on trying to get these deadlines so
[52:17] that we can get the pool designed and
[52:19] out and ready and then meet with those
[52:21] groups and reinstate them so that we can
[52:24] focus a little bit better i mean we find
[52:25] a need that we could you know attack it
[52:27] with more of the capital budget the
[52:29] mayor saying these are
[52:30] the front street pool you know that pool
[52:32] we have discussions with development
[52:34] about other other things in that area we
[52:36] have you know hillary's pool we have we
[52:38] have some pools and they all have needs
[52:40] and i think if we start you're going to
[52:42] see these costs just skyrocketing you're
[52:44] going to realize
[52:46] we're not ready to take all of that on i
[52:48] think
[52:49] this is the focus on this one i think is
[52:52] a
[52:52] worthy endeavor on its own
[52:57] just a quick question tell me a little
[52:59] bit more about the deadlines you're
[53:00] speaking of
[53:01] trying to get this done
[53:03] yeah um i mean these are all
[53:05] i guess at the time they're they're
[53:07] [Music]
[53:08] superficial deadlines but we're really
[53:10] trying to as you know we work backwards
[53:13] so one of the things that we're going to
[53:14] be once we engage with saratoga
[53:15] associates in aquatic officially is uh
[53:18] we always work backwards so it is when
[53:21] do we need to have this awarded by and
[53:24] then you know you subtract the months
[53:25] for council you subtract the month for
[53:27] bidding you know so if we needed to have
[53:30] someone in the ground let's say in
[53:32] october let's say we wanted to have
[53:33] someone there october 1st to dig a hole
[53:35] and that's probably too late so you say
[53:37] september that means we're bidding in
[53:39] august
[53:40] and if we're or we're bringing it to you
[53:42] in august so if we're bringing it to you
[53:44] in august we're bidding it in july
[53:47] and that if we're bidding in july that
[53:49] means we have to have the design done by
[53:51] mid-june
[53:52] and it's january so that means that we
[53:54] really have february march april
[53:57] to get this done to get all the
[53:58] community involved to get the buy-in and
[54:00] get it designed so our window gets it's
[54:03] very small
[54:04] um so that's how we usually work back
[54:06] because you know we're a government we
[54:08] have a bureaucracy to follow you know
[54:10] and that's if everything goes well
[54:12] one of the things we started to do was
[54:13] really delay things so that myself and
[54:15] aaron and ron we could all review and
[54:18] sit down and that's actually why we
[54:19] started to delay certain things just to
[54:21] make sure that we have everything so
[54:23] we're doing one time and not twice back
[54:26] so
[54:26] you know
[54:27] it sounds like to have something ready
[54:29] in september is september but when you
[54:32] work backwards you have to be ready to
[54:34] go june 1st i would say with design
[54:36] documents
[54:53] uh
[54:54] imagine you're going to ask for a motion
[54:56] my only reservation is just making sure
[54:58] appropriate considerations are made
[54:59] towards the other pools i would only
[55:01] hope that time was built for this to be
[55:03] delayed another two weeks just to allow
[55:06] and i can accept bonus for that just
[55:07] ensuring that individuals that voted for
[55:09] me uh
[55:11] understand that i ran on a campaign and
[55:13] just making sure that information was
[55:14] provided to the members of the community
[55:16] and i took the time to actually delve in
[55:19] make sure that when i did
[55:21] move this forward or second this i did
[55:23] that with every
[55:24] consideration and support of this so
[55:27] with that
[55:28] i would just like to hold off to allow
[55:30] me the opportunity to do some research
[55:37] so you're asking for us to hold off on
[55:39] this until here at least two weeks
[55:44] [Music]
[55:49] if i can speak to that i i clearly
[55:51] understand what you're saying and um
[55:52] perhaps you are coming at this meeting
[55:55] but given the timeline that um
[55:58] mr walden has given us in addition to
[56:00] that we can't we can't do what you're
[56:02] asking and have people be part of this
[56:05] is what i'm understanding
[56:06] the so the front street
[56:08] whatever pool is uh if we need to look
[56:11] at that it wouldn't we would not be able
[56:12] to look at it apart at as part of this
[56:14] just because of what it would entail i'm
[56:17] not going to tell the council or the
[56:19] mayor what you can or cannot do what i
[56:22] what i'm saying is that an arpan
[56:24] application was submitted
[56:26] by the deadline
[56:27] for an amount of money and at the
[56:30] mayor's request we wanted to
[56:32] you know accelerate the design portion
[56:34] of that ahead of the process that you
[56:36] will be going through so that we could
[56:38] potentially meet these deadlines
[56:41] i did not have it on my my agenda or my
[56:43] radar to do the other pools
[56:45] which it's perfectly fine if someone
[56:47] wants i just it's a separate
[56:50] project it's a whole separate
[56:52] idea and in the front street pool in
[56:54] particular gets into
[56:57] a lot of larger conversations because of
[56:59] a fema project that we have going on
[57:01] down there and some of the other things
[57:03] that we've talked about so i'm just
[57:05] trying to make sure that we're not
[57:07] muddying waters with things that help my
[57:09] mass broke but without the things that
[57:11] we're talking about and holding
[57:12] something up because of that but i
[57:14] understand if you made a commitment to
[57:15] it that that's perfectly fine i just
[57:18] especially the front street pool
[57:20] it's it's a complicated it's a
[57:22] complicated situation with that
[57:23] particular pool
[57:25] no please go ahead my only consideration
[57:27] is we already have a company that's
[57:28] doing assessments
[57:30] wouldn't it be prudent upon us to make
[57:32] or give assessments for other
[57:34] individuals not saying that we're going
[57:35] to take a step and move forward we'd
[57:37] have those figures just for assessments
[57:40] so
[57:41] to bring aquatica on ask them because
[57:43] they've done this once before but it was
[57:44] about 10 years ago to have them to come
[57:47] in and do uh new assessments for the
[57:49] other three pools right that's what i
[57:51] know that's what i'm delaying the
[57:52] considerations on scene
[57:54] well if you want i'll have them go out
[57:56] and look at
[57:58] what a ballpark figure would be to do
[58:00] those and come back
[58:02] in two weeks but this would still move
[58:04] as a separate project
[58:08] is that something that
[58:10] you want to see happen
[58:12] so you're telling me putting out two
[58:13] weeks is going to entirely derail the
[58:16] entire project
[58:20] i don't want i don't want to
[58:24] no
[58:25] but what i'm understanding is that this
[58:27] project would still move forward but
[58:29] what you're asking was still happening
[58:30] as well okay all right
[58:32] is that what you're saying but i'm not
[58:33] gonna go to them and have them
[58:36] this project right define the scope and
[58:39] works if you want the other ones
[58:40] evaluated i'll commence get a price on
[58:43] that and come back to you in two weeks
[58:45] and this one is still going to move
[58:47] forward
[58:48] as a separate project and this is not
[58:52] again has been outlined it's not a
[58:53] simple it's not just a swimming pool
[58:56] because there's going to be work done in
[58:57] conjunction with the a diamond with the
[59:00] parking lot
[59:01] the
[59:02] bath house will service the needs for
[59:04] the work that we've done at the tennis
[59:07] courts
[59:08] and then looking at putting some stadium
[59:10] seating another the tennis courts on the
[59:13] back because we're eliminating the
[59:15] tennis stadium for the site for this
[59:18] pool
[59:19] and there's some modifications for the
[59:22] disc golf course
[59:24] that plays
[59:25] through the park
[59:31] want us to probably understanding that
[59:32] um in two weeks we'll have a price
[59:35] analysis on the cost to fix repair
[59:39] well i don't know
[59:42] the ability to go out and do the
[59:44] evaluation i don't know if we would have
[59:46] all the
[59:48] scope works
[59:50] in the detail of analysis in two weeks
[59:53] where
[59:54] yeah it's uh
[59:55] it's hard to do some of it
[59:57] now where there's frost in the ground
[59:59] and other things are shut down
[1:00:02] goodness so so i just for
[1:00:05] my own clarity here so
[1:00:07] we're not suggesting that um in two
[1:00:09] weeks time
[1:00:11] that all of the other
[1:00:13] uh tools are assessed i think or you say
[1:00:16] like in two weeks time
[1:00:17] to uh
[1:00:18] get a commitment or understanding with
[1:00:21] uh
[1:00:23] to see if they have the capacity and the
[1:00:25] ability to to do it well come back and
[1:00:29] have them give us a price because we've
[1:00:31] asked him to do this evaluation so come
[1:00:33] back and say
[1:00:34] is that going to be
[1:00:37] uh ten thousand dollars is it going to
[1:00:39] be
[1:00:40] 20 000. whatever it is to go through
[1:00:44] and look at those as they have started
[1:00:47] the process on
[1:00:49] the woman's central park
[1:00:51] and we'd be dealing directly with
[1:00:52] aquatic for for that type of evaluation
[1:00:55] that would not be uh saratoga associates
[1:00:57] so we would have
[1:01:00] because we're talking about specifically
[1:01:01] the pools
[1:01:02] and what might the cost of that be
[1:01:04] for the evaluation yeah anything can
[1:01:07] come along i think the mayor was and the
[1:01:09] mayor was fairly accurate um you know we
[1:01:11] had them look at the central park pool
[1:01:14] um it does not take them long to look at
[1:01:16] the deficiencies they they check pumps
[1:01:18] and encode
[1:01:19] so
[1:01:20] i i don't think it would be a huge
[1:01:22] number i think under 20 000 would be
[1:01:24] totally reasonable for we're just know
[1:01:26] about three pools central park we've
[1:01:27] already kind of looked at
[1:01:29] and i wouldn't be surprised if it's it's
[1:01:31] under that
[1:01:32] quite a bit but would you like to have i
[1:01:33] can get a proposal they're a small
[1:01:35] outfit that's locally
[1:01:40] um
[1:01:41] i think if we're going to do it though
[1:01:42] we should include you know those places
[1:01:44] that have um the uh
[1:01:49] the splash pads because i think splash
[1:01:51] pads are a great alternative
[1:01:53] as well so i mean this is this is sort
[1:01:54] of a longer term evaluation
[1:01:57] i'm just saying no i mean i think
[1:02:00] opportunities for you know
[1:02:02] i think the second thing because correct
[1:02:04] me that aquatic use is a term water
[1:02:06] features right so it could be a swimming
[1:02:09] pool it could be
[1:02:10] a slide that has water on it there's
[1:02:13] things that are
[1:02:16] quite creative
[1:02:18] well i'm just saying i mean rather than
[1:02:19] put pools or you know there might be a
[1:02:22] broader project of getting their
[1:02:24] analysis of what they might because
[1:02:26] part of this package is going to do the
[1:02:28] outreach
[1:02:30] for like working with the boys and girls
[1:02:31] club current users neighborhood
[1:02:35] associations get the community input in
[1:02:38] terms of
[1:02:41] what people are looking to have at the
[1:02:43] facility
[1:02:46] so that can be done
[1:02:50] we moved a little bit on this
[1:02:52] so we feel comfortable with what's
[1:02:54] before us but we have to go back and get
[1:02:56] other numbers
[1:02:57] and
[1:02:58] better define a scope of works whether
[1:03:00] it's just the other swimming pools
[1:03:02] whether you would look at other places
[1:03:03] where we put
[1:03:05] or evaluate uh potential either what's
[1:03:08] there now or potentially place water
[1:03:10] features
[1:03:12] [Music]
[1:03:14] okay just for clarification my attention
[1:03:15] was just to see if we could maximize and
[1:03:17] see if there were other abilities to
[1:03:19] just benefit from the entire city but i
[1:03:21] completely understand thank you for all
[1:03:22] the input
[1:03:24] um so i can make a motion to
[1:03:26] program sorry you know go ahead go ahead
[1:03:29] yeah if you're comfortable with let's
[1:03:30] move over to
[1:03:32] the understanding that these things are
[1:03:33] going to be happening in the next couple
[1:03:34] of weeks and i say
[1:03:37] two weeks it's uh actually because of
[1:03:39] the
[1:03:40] when the fifth monday it would come back
[1:03:43] to the council in three weeks
[1:03:47] i'll leave it
[1:03:48] [Music]
[1:03:50] have a second second all in favor
[1:03:52] aye
[1:03:53] thank you thank you
[1:03:56] the next item is the 2022 contest
[1:03:58] reappropriation
[1:03:59] that's the ferrari
[1:04:01] and you're going to stay there for a
[1:04:02] while
[1:04:05] for president council in there
[1:04:08] um the first thing on agenda is a 2022
[1:04:11] budget uh reincorporation and what we're
[1:04:13] requesting here is uh because of the
[1:04:18] time to manufacture products in the 2022
[1:04:21] capital project we have uh
[1:04:23] requested four garbage structure packers
[1:04:26] and uh street sweepers where they have
[1:04:28] estimated the manufacturing of these to
[1:04:30] be of 18 months or longer now usually
[1:04:34] what we do is
[1:04:35] we
[1:04:36] go out to
[1:04:37] fund these projects uh through the uh
[1:04:40] through uh of bans or bonding by
[1:04:43] anticipation though and usually that
[1:04:44] doesn't happen to me
[1:04:46] what we're asking is to uh to speed this
[1:04:49] up by moving money to our appropriate
[1:04:51] fund balance to cover that up until we
[1:04:54] borrow the money in may so we can order
[1:04:56] these trucks now so that we'll get them
[1:04:58] in sometime in 2023
[1:05:00] and if we wait to make we probably won't
[1:05:02] get into these trucks till 2024. so
[1:05:04] we're just asking
[1:05:05] us to up until may to move money from
[1:05:09] our front balance into the
[1:05:11] uh the budget
[1:05:12] of you know transfer to other funds so
[1:05:14] we can uh start the process of uh
[1:05:17] ordering these uh five vehicles four
[1:05:20] garbage trucks and a street sweeper
[1:05:23] [Music]
[1:05:26] we can't spend money unless it's been
[1:05:29] budgeted
[1:05:30] and
[1:05:32] the
[1:05:33] normal process would be go through the
[1:05:35] bonding process
[1:05:37] before i can order the garbage trucks
[1:05:39] make sure we have the cash we want to
[1:05:41] make sure we have money before we do
[1:05:42] that so if i ordered the garbage trucks
[1:05:45] today
[1:05:46] and then the council decides not to bond
[1:05:50] in the spring
[1:05:52] then we're stuck so what this is saying
[1:05:54] is that we're going to pay for this one
[1:05:57] way or the other because of the long
[1:05:59] lead time on these vehicles
[1:06:04] we're hoping that you pass this so that
[1:06:06] we can do that
[1:06:07] so we can get this problem is there any
[1:06:08] commitment on a timeline excuse me is
[1:06:11] there any commitment a form commitment
[1:06:13] on the timeline
[1:06:14] is there to get these uh these problems
[1:06:24] that's the minimum so we know what we're
[1:06:27] trying to do is save five months of time
[1:06:29] to get it within 2023 instead of 2024.
[1:06:34] and we plan as recorded we do plan to
[1:06:36] borrow uh capital project money this
[1:06:38] year anyway so once once we get that
[1:06:40] money in we'll just move it back into
[1:06:42] fund balance yep
[1:06:45] any questions
[1:06:46] comments
[1:06:47] i'll move it
[1:06:49] like that all in favor
[1:06:51] aye
[1:06:52] thank you
[1:06:53] the next item is the
[1:06:55] 2022 budget reallocation person for
[1:06:58] agreement between the city of
[1:06:59] schenectady and csea i'm going to pass
[1:07:01] out though i'm going to pass out
[1:07:05] the cost of all these reallocations so
[1:07:07] that you can look at them but you can
[1:07:09] use that smile so they'll put them over
[1:07:11] there
[1:07:12] so you can look at what we're talking
[1:07:14] about
[1:07:14] [Music]
[1:07:17] so uh
[1:07:19] as you recall uh uh
[1:07:21] [Music]
[1:07:23] the console the console itself has
[1:07:25] passed uh
[1:07:26] several uh
[1:07:29] you have enough no it's one feature
[1:07:32] do you have a mr holden i'm multiplying
[1:07:34] right now i can always yeah
[1:07:37] all right we're good okay so
[1:07:40] this picasa is already uh passed and
[1:07:42] appropriated uh uh monies for uh uh the
[1:07:46] different uh unions that we had in
[1:07:47] agreements to so we're looking to uh
[1:07:51] to appropriate those funds
[1:07:54] uh for the agreement so the first one we
[1:07:56] have here is the csaa for 2022.
[1:07:59] uh but let's go back to csa for 2021
[1:08:02] which is how far is this if you look in
[1:08:04] the patches i sent you uh i essentially
[1:08:07] would have the cost for the total for
[1:08:09] 2021 and 2022
[1:08:12] for 2020 and 21 because these are retro
[1:08:15] payments that we've done in uh
[1:08:18] the negotiations and the contract went
[1:08:20] back to 20 uh 2020. so what we're gonna
[1:08:23] do is uh do retro payments to the union
[1:08:25] members from 2020 and 2041.
[1:08:28] and but uh you know according to
[1:08:29] government standards we have to show
[1:08:31] those expenditures and those costs in
[1:08:34] 2021
[1:08:35] so what we have to do because that money
[1:08:37] was not appropriated through the budget
[1:08:40] process because we're negotiating all
[1:08:42] that time this is the requirement to uh
[1:08:45] appropriate those funds
[1:08:46] uh
[1:08:47] from uh
[1:08:48] [Music]
[1:08:50] our bounces to the to the budget to pay for them um this is the plan uh the
[1:08:56] plan that we use uh you know is to use
[1:08:58] uh our lost revenue through our
[1:09:00] professional monies so as you can see
[1:09:04] uh with what i sent you in in that uh
[1:09:07] little package over there
[1:09:09] we have for uh 2021 we have retroactive
[1:09:12] payments for management for csea for
[1:09:15] 2020 cse for 2021
[1:09:18] 10 37 for uh 20 21 and operating
[1:09:21] engineer for 20 21.
[1:09:23] the total amount with the uh fica that
[1:09:26] is a process that i met and i
[1:09:28] put it on the sheet can we put that in
[1:09:30] the resolution with the fico amount
[1:09:34] that total for uh all of those budgets
[1:09:37] for 2021 is 617
[1:09:40] 689 and 94 for all those
[1:09:43] budgets for retro payments for 20
[1:09:46] through 20 21.
[1:09:48] [Music]
[1:09:51] now for 2022
[1:09:53] we have a
[1:09:54] reallocations for uh the management
[1:09:57] csca for 2022 and operate engineers now
[1:10:01] when we're when we're doing the
[1:10:03] negotiations and the budget for 2022 we
[1:10:05] had anticipated the budget can we do
[1:10:07] each item individually because we want
[1:10:09] to ask them yeah we have to pass them
[1:10:11] individually sorry yes i'm sorry
[1:10:13] this is not explained the whole
[1:10:29] uh budgetary allocation for city
[1:10:31] schenecta
[1:10:32] according to the budget pass
[1:10:34] that total for 2022
[1:10:36] uh is uh 347 994
[1:10:41] plus uh uh
[1:10:42] 30 thousand and uh
[1:10:44] oh thirty thousand at five guys so you
[1:10:47] have to have the total budget right
[1:10:48] there that
[1:10:50] man that thirty thousand covers more
[1:10:52] than just cse oh yeah you're right so
[1:10:54] it's the csca 2022 the 347 944 plus
[1:10:58] whatever that fico percentage is sorry
[1:11:00] about that right yep i do have that
[1:11:02] number here someplace
[1:11:07] whatever that percentage is 7.65
[1:11:09] absolutely that's what it is any
[1:11:11] question on item number five
[1:11:14] i haven't moved it
[1:11:15] all in favor hi
[1:11:17] item number six number six is uh the the
[1:11:20] amount we talked about for cse
[1:11:23] for 2021 for the retro payments that
[1:11:25] will be charged at 2021
[1:11:27] uh i explained uh the amounts there
[1:11:31] any questions on that
[1:11:33] a little bit second all in favor
[1:11:37] number seven number seven is uh this is
[1:11:40] uh the 2020 allocation for the operating
[1:11:42] engineers again was passed
[1:11:47] for retro payment for uh 2021 uh came to
[1:11:50] 18 000 plus
[1:11:53] point the 7
[1:11:53] percent for uh
[1:11:55] fica
[1:11:56] any questions on that i'll move it
[1:11:58] thank you favor
[1:12:00] item number eight number eight is the
[1:12:03] 2022 budget allocation
[1:12:05] for city schenectady and the operating
[1:12:08] engineers for 2028.
[1:12:11] that's a that's a 41 478 plus this fico
[1:12:15] uh
[1:12:17] budget
[1:12:19] second all in favor
[1:12:22] number nine and uh uh the 2021 budget
[1:12:26] reallocation for the 1037
[1:12:28] uh
[1:12:29] that again as you recall is up here that
[1:12:32] is a total for 2021 for the retro
[1:12:34] payment of 296 000 390 plus the
[1:12:38] 7.65 for uh fifa
[1:12:41] question
[1:12:43] second
[1:12:44] call in favor
[1:12:48] is the agreement between the city of
[1:12:49] schenectady and the city budget of the
[1:12:51] city management team
[1:12:53] uh those that was a two percent increase
[1:12:55] from september through december that
[1:12:57] came to 18 000 353
[1:13:00] 65 plus the 7.5
[1:13:12] the city is connected into city uh
[1:13:13] management benefits for 2022.
[1:13:16] uh
[1:13:17] that uh uh came to a total of nine
[1:13:19] thousand four hundred nine dollars that is the uh the difference in the the
[1:13:23] reallocation of the longevity numbers
[1:13:25] that'd be nine thousand plus a point
[1:13:27] seven five
[1:13:28] seven point six five percent for fica
[1:13:38] 21 and 22 is gonna be a million
[1:13:41] forty seven thousand all thirty one
[1:13:43] point fifty one i'm gonna probably even
[1:13:45] come back to you another two weeks with
[1:13:46] the fire department
[1:13:48] uh you think these numbers are big
[1:13:51] oh stop
[1:13:53] so yes i do have questions yeah other
[1:13:56] than the fire department or all the
[1:13:59] contact settle for all the labor unions
[1:14:01] all labor union contracts are settled
[1:14:03] the only uh uh one that's close to being
[1:14:06] finished is the police department is
[1:14:07] december of 2022 which will start in
[1:14:10] 2023 the next
[1:14:12] negotiation probably earlier but but
[1:14:14] everything else everything else is good
[1:14:16] through uh
[1:14:17] 2024 just a lot yeah
[1:14:19] and yeah yeah
[1:14:21] question you said that you'll kind of
[1:14:22] come back with the fire department
[1:14:24] yes yes yes and so there'll be are some
[1:14:26] using our funds as well so this is the
[1:14:28] total amount of our no this is not total
[1:14:30] amount uh this is uh like i said where
[1:14:31] our plan is to use the loss revenue from
[1:14:33] our funds which uh which uh which uh
[1:14:36] later on i'll give you the whole uh breakdown of that but our federal
[1:14:41] funds allocation for uh lost revenue is
[1:14:43] eight point
[1:14:44] eight million nine hundred twenty two
[1:14:45] thousand six eighty three
[1:14:47] so that's a million of that right off
[1:14:49] the bat right there okay so eight
[1:14:51] million something okay all right
[1:14:53] any other business before finance
[1:14:56] second holly favor hi thank you
[1:15:01] okay so i'd like to call the government
[1:15:03] operations committee
[1:15:04] um today we have three items on the
[1:15:07] agenda uh the first verse is we're going
[1:15:09] to have discussion
[1:15:10] uh about
[1:15:12] carl williams
[1:15:15] thank you mr farley uh so my subject
[1:15:17] line is hosting quarterly city hall and
[1:15:19] city council and community outside of
[1:15:21] the city since attending um these
[1:15:23] meetings i've never once seen them build
[1:15:25] outside of special resolutions or
[1:15:27] considerations for individuals which is
[1:15:29] understandable i also understand that we
[1:15:31] are currently in the middle of a
[1:15:33] pandemic however i think we need to
[1:15:35] address certain transportation issues to
[1:15:37] include time restraints from individuals
[1:15:39] like myself who wasn't able to get home
[1:15:41] and i understand that we have our time
[1:15:43] set and that's something that we need to
[1:15:44] work around however i think
[1:15:46] identifying locations throughout the
[1:15:48] city to traditionally host quarterly
[1:15:50] meetings i think that is something that
[1:15:52] we should research to potentially have
[1:15:55] news in other areas of the city so that
[1:15:57] we are moving city hall to the people as
[1:15:59] opposed to having the people only be
[1:16:01] able to come here if they receive
[1:16:03] information although it includes a
[1:16:04] virtual component there are some members
[1:16:06] of our communities that do not have
[1:16:08] access to internet so i think if we're
[1:16:10] truly being here to provide a service to
[1:16:12] the community this should be something
[1:16:14] that we should uh take on
[1:16:16] in partnership with osm to make sure
[1:16:17] that we're able to still host a virtual
[1:16:20] component for individuals that prefer
[1:16:21] that long term
[1:16:29] so yes and you know i've had other
[1:16:31] people also talk about this and i i
[1:16:33] really don't think it's a i think it's
[1:16:34] actually a good idea that we're well we
[1:16:36] come outside outside of city hall walls
[1:16:38] right now we do it when there's a
[1:16:40] special thing when we just had to win on
[1:16:42] like a tour of sorts to do the arca
[1:16:44] um presentations so to do this quarterly
[1:16:47] is to me it's not not a heavy lift and
[1:16:50] um you know there's a lot of
[1:16:52] municipalities or elected individuals
[1:16:54] who do what they're called they're
[1:16:55] called town halls so i think that it's actually a good idea to you know i
[1:16:59] know that um some of us attend um
[1:17:03] meetings for the uh for different
[1:17:04] neighborhoods but however that's the
[1:17:06] agenda that they're putting forward but
[1:17:08] so i think it is a good idea for us to
[1:17:09] be able to bring ourselves to the people
[1:17:11] on a uh like i said this are you
[1:17:13] suggesting a quarterly basis so just you
[1:17:16] know four times a year i don't think
[1:17:17] it's a i think it's actually a good kind
[1:17:19] of a public relations kind of thing in
[1:17:22] terms of us as uh elected
[1:17:27] any other discussion on that um
[1:17:30] i guess i would just add i think that
[1:17:32] it's really um
[1:17:33] i was uh we were sending a strong
[1:17:36] message around making plans with people
[1:17:38] and not for people and i think that this
[1:17:40] will you know as a way to demonstrate
[1:17:42] that commitment that we're not only i'm
[1:17:44] going to be
[1:17:45] uh we're going to honor and be who we
[1:17:47] say we would be but we're being flexible
[1:17:49] and responsive to the needs of the
[1:17:50] community um so i think it's definitely worth the
[1:17:54] discussion to have
[1:17:56] and i'm interested to hear if anyone
[1:17:57] else has any
[1:18:00] um i'd like to ask if we were to pursue
[1:18:03] this um
[1:18:05] i'd want to make sure that we were
[1:18:07] also including security issues around
[1:18:11] the well actually we just left i think
[1:18:14] we have police officers or off-duty
[1:18:16] police officers or auxiliary police
[1:18:18] officers
[1:18:19] as well as the metal detector
[1:18:21] and other types of security
[1:18:23] as we have access to here i think is
[1:18:26] important as one of the considerations i
[1:18:28] also have to say that i do think it's
[1:18:30] important as sort of city hall as the
[1:18:33] center
[1:18:35] government as the center of our
[1:18:36] democracy here in the city that
[1:18:38] personally i like the idea that we're
[1:18:40] here
[1:18:41] for our meetings i also will throw up
[1:18:43] just as another consideration if this
[1:18:45] discussion continues
[1:18:47] um to return to the discussion about the
[1:18:50] time of our meetings which we did start
[1:18:54] earlier we discussed the idea of you
[1:18:57] know perhaps having all of our meetings
[1:18:58] at 5 30 which would give people the
[1:19:00] opportunity to be able to come
[1:19:02] right from work rather than go home and
[1:19:05] have to come out
[1:19:07] late at night
[1:19:08] on a winter's night for example to go
[1:19:10] home and then come back i think is
[1:19:12] really discouraging to a lot of people
[1:19:13] but i think that mr williams's point
[1:19:15] about kobe
[1:19:17] certainly has affected
[1:19:19] our attendance because i think at least
[1:19:21] before coded we definitely had more
[1:19:24] people at our meetings um so i think
[1:19:26] that there's probably that aspect too so
[1:19:28] we'd have to also ensure wherever we
[1:19:29] moved the
[1:19:31] meetings if we were choosing to do that
[1:19:32] on a quarterly basis that would be able
[1:19:34] to do the distancing and have the checks
[1:19:36] and all that kind of stuff as well
[1:19:38] so those are just my comments
[1:19:40] my initial thoughts
[1:19:43] i don't think this is something that we
[1:19:46] can do
[1:19:47] right away i mean but i think it's
[1:19:48] definitely something we should consider
[1:19:49] and
[1:19:50] um
[1:19:52] i understand the seat of government but
[1:19:53] i also understand engaging the community
[1:19:55] because when we want to that's what we
[1:19:56] do so i think that this this allows an
[1:19:59] opportunity for us to do both because we
[1:20:00] will continually without question have
[1:20:02] our meetings here that's that's not even
[1:20:04] an option we will definitely do that but
[1:20:05] this is just like four times a year
[1:20:07] let's you know let's do something and
[1:20:10] let's be out there and i think that
[1:20:12] we do see we do see
[1:20:14] specific people let's just you know if
[1:20:16] it comes to our council meetings it's
[1:20:17] like generally we know who's going to be
[1:20:19] there who's not going to be there and
[1:20:21] this probably will i believe will open
[1:20:23] it that more people will see more people
[1:20:25] than we would normally see to come here
[1:20:27] if we were out in the community so i
[1:20:30] think it it
[1:20:32] would work discussion and maybe even
[1:20:34] trying to implement
[1:20:36] um i understand the security issues i'm
[1:20:38] just not sure how we address them in
[1:20:40] terms of metal detectors i'm not sure
[1:20:42] how that happened
[1:20:44] i don't know that they're portable i
[1:20:46] don't know i don't know
[1:20:47] i guess they use wands
[1:20:50] so um but i'm certainly open to
[1:20:52] continuing this discussion and seeing
[1:20:54] how we could um plan that out
[1:20:57] yeah as to
[1:20:58] for example we've tried some meetings in
[1:21:01] the past in the community and pretty
[1:21:04] poorly attended
[1:21:07] have council meetings been done in the
[1:21:09] past
[1:21:11] outside of city hall um i think that's
[1:21:16] perhaps has happened
[1:21:18] mary would have maybe better regulations
[1:21:22] before i
[1:21:27] there have think times when they've
[1:21:29] gone to other places but it's been more
[1:21:31] of a rarity than they regularly
[1:21:33] scheduled
[1:21:35] and
[1:21:38] generally
[1:21:40] when things are going fairly smooth
[1:21:42] everybody's doing a pretty good job you
[1:21:43] get poor attendance
[1:21:45] when
[1:21:46] uh you get a point of controversy or
[1:21:48] something public debate that attendance
[1:21:51] goes up
[1:21:52] and so it
[1:21:54] tries to keep that in the back of your
[1:21:55] mind of where we hold the meeting we're
[1:21:57] going to have a
[1:22:00] bigger event that there's more things
[1:22:02] going on
[1:22:03] uh you have to be more selective
[1:22:06] the other side could be more informal on
[1:22:08] some of them may allow for just better
[1:22:10] discussion and more interaction with
[1:22:12] people
[1:22:16] sorry i have a couple other questions
[1:22:18] but
[1:22:19] go ahead oh
[1:22:20] um
[1:22:22] in concurring with miss patrick
[1:22:24] um
[1:22:26] i think um
[1:22:30] an earlier
[1:22:32] time especially for seniors
[1:22:34] and we did discuss
[1:22:36] before we we got on the console you know
[1:22:39] of a 5 30 for for everyone something
[1:22:41] where again maybe even six o'clock
[1:22:43] people are on the way home from work
[1:22:44] they stop they don't have to come back
[1:22:46] out
[1:22:46] i think that's a that's a good idea
[1:22:48] um
[1:22:49] and city hall being central
[1:22:52] to schenectady
[1:22:54] um and on bus lines walk within walking
[1:22:57] distance should we
[1:22:59] enter a facility that's
[1:23:02] not on a bus line
[1:23:03] um
[1:23:05] where someone from the north side
[1:23:06] couldn't get over to bellevue
[1:23:08] so at least here we're central i mean
[1:23:10] those that's my only take on on
[1:23:12] everything so i just say we remain where
[1:23:15] we are and we put ourselves out there to
[1:23:18] the constituents every day via our email
[1:23:21] they can email us they can call us they
[1:23:23] can send a letter to sam which is she's
[1:23:25] written and all those things can be
[1:23:27] addressed and i understand that and i'd
[1:23:29] love for our meetings to be i would like
[1:23:31] the whole city to come to be honest with
[1:23:33] you and tell us what they want um but
[1:23:36] anyway that that's my take on it right
[1:23:38] now is that
[1:23:42] back to the security issue that's one of
[1:23:44] the things that people
[1:23:46] for years we're complaining about is a
[1:23:49] lack of security here and now that we
[1:23:51] finally have it
[1:23:54] you know i think that's an important
[1:23:55] component but the other questions i have
[1:23:58] is how many people does negatively
[1:24:00] impact because
[1:24:02] this is a central location so if we move
[1:24:05] a meeting to
[1:24:07] you know i don't know woodlawn
[1:24:09] will people who would traditionally come
[1:24:12] here go to those meetings
[1:24:13] how many would be negatively affected i
[1:24:16] think is something that we really need
[1:24:18] to
[1:24:19] consider
[1:24:20] um
[1:24:22] yeah is there a real want for this um
[1:24:25] you know i've seen this
[1:24:27] building packed with people
[1:24:30] and people will show up when it's
[1:24:32] something that they're
[1:24:36] fired up about i guess for a lack of
[1:24:38] better word
[1:24:39] and
[1:24:40] so i think those are all things that we
[1:24:44] need to
[1:24:45] have in place before we even
[1:24:48] consider something like that
[1:24:52] on top of you know
[1:24:55] are there legal issues
[1:24:57] yeah if a
[1:24:59] employee goes and gets hurt
[1:25:02] off location
[1:25:04] you know what's the ramifications for
[1:25:05] that
[1:25:07] so i think there's a lot of things that
[1:25:09] really need to be buttoned up
[1:25:15] so when we had the opportunity to invite
[1:25:16] the belmont football team to celebrate
[1:25:18] their accomplishments it was so
[1:25:20] inspiring to see that many young people
[1:25:22] in city hall
[1:25:24] growing up in the city i i couldn't tell
[1:25:26] you where city hall was
[1:25:27] and it wasn't until i began um going
[1:25:30] through my professional career that i
[1:25:32] understood that it didn't require me to
[1:25:33] become a homeowner to be vested in my
[1:25:35] city politically that it was important
[1:25:37] to be involved
[1:25:39] from the ground up so i do think that
[1:25:42] having these meetings
[1:25:44] in snappy high school and the boys and
[1:25:46] girls club where there are individuals
[1:25:47] from the community that feel comfortable
[1:25:49] going to those places
[1:25:51] that this is appropriate for us to at
[1:25:53] least make another attempt
[1:25:55] and i don't know
[1:25:57] if
[1:25:58] community organizational leaders were
[1:26:00] collaborated with
[1:26:01] but i ensure you that we are with this
[1:26:04] coming year having these arpa
[1:26:05] conversations
[1:26:07] having these police reform conversations
[1:26:09] that we are working in unison and i
[1:26:11] think it is prudent i'll use that word
[1:26:13] again for us to re-engage this topic
[1:26:17] when we are all vested in understanding
[1:26:18] according to working together this year
[1:26:22] actually i actually like to directly
[1:26:24] respond to that because
[1:26:25] that particular meeting with those those
[1:26:28] young people that were here from the
[1:26:29] beaumont top one or in the cheerleaders
[1:26:32] um was pretty much my favorite meeting
[1:26:34] so far while i was sitting there i
[1:26:36] really thought about the fact that it
[1:26:38] was so great that they had that
[1:26:40] opportunity to come to city hall
[1:26:42] and understand
[1:26:44] that we have this place
[1:26:46] that is part of our civic engagement and
[1:26:49] i remember sitting there thinking this
[1:26:51] is really awesome that all of these kids
[1:26:53] who maybe would never ever have stepped
[1:26:56] foot into this building
[1:26:57] are getting that chance to be here with
[1:27:00] their leaders with their political
[1:27:02] leaders at a low below
[1:27:04] um and be able to embrace and understand
[1:27:06] i mean when they when we all start stood
[1:27:09] together and did the pledge of
[1:27:10] allegiance for example i mean it made me
[1:27:12] start to cry to hear all of those kids
[1:27:16] um in unison in this sort of
[1:27:19] not you know i don't know the right word
[1:27:22] sacred it's not the right word but to be
[1:27:24] in the chamber
[1:27:26] um for me was was really impressive and
[1:27:29] i was thrilled i mean i went home
[1:27:31] actually and said
[1:27:32] it was so great to know that they
[1:27:33] probably never would have had that
[1:27:35] chance
[1:27:36] um on a day-to-day basis to actually be
[1:27:38] at city hall and hopefully that would
[1:27:40] inspire them to think about
[1:27:42] coming more or getting involved maybe
[1:27:45] running for office
[1:27:46] et cetera
[1:27:48] but i also want to
[1:27:49] [Music]
[1:27:51] comment on something that ms porterfield
[1:27:52] said which i think in thinking about the
[1:27:54] site i'm getting ready for tonight the
[1:27:57] idea is also that we do have all the
[1:27:59] neighborhood associations and we do have
[1:28:01] a number of other meetings
[1:28:03] um that many of us attend on a regular
[1:28:05] basis
[1:28:06] um and i i hear
[1:28:08] so i think that was a good point as well
[1:28:10] that we are out there in the community
[1:28:12] trying to listen to our neighbors trying
[1:28:14] to
[1:28:15] get their input
[1:28:16] at a recent
[1:28:18] i think it was upper union street
[1:28:20] neighborhood association meaning they
[1:28:22] actually invited the mayor and mr lafon
[1:28:24] to come in and talk about
[1:28:27] issues that were affecting that
[1:28:29] neighborhood which actually ended up
[1:28:31] being a lot of the central park
[1:28:33] issue as well um but it was great to be
[1:28:36] able to be there and be so you know
[1:28:38] listening to all of their input about
[1:28:40] what they wanted to see happen um in
[1:28:42] their neighborhood so i do think that
[1:28:44] that's another opportunity at least in
[1:28:46] the short term for all of us and i know
[1:28:47] that we all do do that we all go out and
[1:28:50] attend these meetings so
[1:28:52] um that that is also another avenue for
[1:28:55] getting the input and being being around
[1:28:58] our community in our community
[1:29:02] so i just want to add a point of clarity
[1:29:04] in terms of the um
[1:29:08] the kid young people coming down here
[1:29:10] and the reason that they came here is
[1:29:11] because there was a council member who
[1:29:13] was engaged with the community that
[1:29:14] somebody reached out to and said this is
[1:29:16] what's going on so it's not like they
[1:29:18] just decided to come so so so to to to
[1:29:21] mr william's point i i think us being
[1:29:23] out there more
[1:29:25] allows them to see we are out here and
[1:29:26] then there's opportunity to come here so
[1:29:28] i think if there's definitely an
[1:29:29] opportunity for that give and take for
[1:29:31] us to be there where they assemble
[1:29:33] wherever that is and here as well so it
[1:29:36] didn't happen just out of the clear sky
[1:29:38] they thought oh let's all accounts it's
[1:29:40] because
[1:29:40] a council member who's engaged with the
[1:29:43] community
[1:29:44] was contacted by a community member
[1:29:46] because of engagement so that i think
[1:29:47] that's where we're trying to get here is
[1:29:49] that we make sure that the community is
[1:29:51] engaged is with us on a basis where they
[1:29:54] feel that comfort level because i've
[1:29:56] asked the question of the young people
[1:29:57] have you been here some had and some
[1:29:59] hadn't so i think that we're trying to
[1:30:01] get that kidney engagement that we talk
[1:30:03] about so very often and just this is one
[1:30:05] of the other ways we can consider trying
[1:30:07] to get there
[1:30:09] so if i could share her thought around
[1:30:11] all this i think that um
[1:30:14] this is common with situations where a
[1:30:16] few things can be true and i think that
[1:30:17] you know um
[1:30:20] to your point if
[1:30:22] those young people this was their first
[1:30:24] time coming to city hall um i think that
[1:30:27] you know that just highlights uh area
[1:30:30] where you know we have to be not afraid
[1:30:31] of better to how do we create
[1:30:33] opportunities for our younger people to
[1:30:36] walk through city halls um and and they
[1:30:39] don't necessarily have to be able to
[1:30:40] receive a resolution but to just because
[1:30:42] they feel you know because we're
[1:30:43] intentionally being inclusive um and
[1:30:46] making those efforts and i also think
[1:30:48] that you know
[1:30:50] the the heart of our city is in our
[1:30:52] neighborhoods
[1:30:53] so the more that we
[1:30:55] as a government body are present in the
[1:30:58] neighborhoods
[1:30:59] then that doesn't just you know foster
[1:31:02] um um just engagement but what it does
[1:31:05] is it demonstrates and it helps us i
[1:31:07] think it helps us have a better picture
[1:31:09] um
[1:31:10] of what's happening in the neighborhoods
[1:31:12] and that present
[1:31:14] that presence right there works on a
[1:31:15] couple of different levels so i think
[1:31:17] that um
[1:31:18] we're not uh
[1:31:20] if i understand correctly we're not
[1:31:21] saying that we're going to not meet a
[1:31:23] city although we're not going to um uh
[1:31:26] you know it's not an either or type of
[1:31:28] situation it's more of a yes and so
[1:31:30] we're going to continue um to meet here
[1:31:32] but we want to be able to not allow the
[1:31:34] tradition to stifle innovation we need
[1:31:36] to get out there in the community and i
[1:31:37] think that there's a lot to be said to
[1:31:39] for us doing that so
[1:31:43] any other uh discussion on that
[1:31:50] i think we're just continuing into
[1:31:51] visiting this and seeing how we can do
[1:31:53] it considering all the things that have
[1:31:55] been brought forth as concerns and so i
[1:31:58] think we'll just have to continue to
[1:31:59] discuss it i don't know that needs to be
[1:32:01] i mean it's up to mr williams this is
[1:32:03] about two weeks but but i think it it
[1:32:05] warrants more discussion
[1:32:07] i mean i guess uh it should highlight
[1:32:09] what we saw in our belief
[1:32:12] conversations or around our funds and
[1:32:13] he's going to all the neighborhoods that
[1:32:15] was like you know i i i was there for
[1:32:18] most of those conversations and they
[1:32:20] were extremely well attended and i think it you know
[1:32:25] the mayor the staffer did a wonderful
[1:32:26] job um and you know doing some q a um
[1:32:30] got some real authentic conversations
[1:32:32] happening with city residents so i think
[1:32:33] that and i don't know that that same
[1:32:36] level of organic exchange of ideas
[1:32:38] happens in in city hall and it might
[1:32:41] kind of change
[1:32:42] the dynamic a little bit but i think
[1:32:44] that that was some really valuable
[1:32:45] interaction that was happening with uh
[1:32:47] with city residents so i wanted uh to
[1:32:49] amend the mayor of the city team for
[1:32:50] doing that and i think that that kind of
[1:32:52] led to your point calling that this is
[1:32:53] something that we should really be
[1:32:54] considering um so thank you for that
[1:32:58] okay so so next
[1:33:00] um
[1:33:01] i would like to put forth uh
[1:33:03] a ceremony ceremonial resolution to
[1:33:06] acknowledge black history month
[1:33:09] um black history is world history um it
[1:33:13] is american history and it certainly is
[1:33:16] city schenectady history so i know this
[1:33:18] is something that happens every year and
[1:33:20] i just um think that oh
[1:33:23] that's something that we need to
[1:33:24] acknowledge in a very meaningful way not
[1:33:26] just
[1:33:27] though this is a ceremonial resolution
[1:33:29] um not just from a performative space
[1:33:32] but really as we acknowledge um and um
[1:33:34] black history how do we uh make sure
[1:33:37] that our
[1:33:38] the decisions we make today on
[1:33:41] a range of different um items that will
[1:33:43] be before us as a government committee
[1:33:44] that we um uphold the principles for the
[1:33:48] people who have come before us and um
[1:33:50] and made of such great sacrifices uh
[1:33:53] people of color so
[1:33:54] um
[1:34:01] all in
[1:34:03] all favor
[1:34:06] okay so next on the agenda uh
[1:34:09] i'm gonna give this over to uh mr andrew
[1:34:12] here so you can talk a little bit about
[1:34:14] june and the section 138-30 of the code
[1:34:17] the city is connected
[1:34:19] thank you
[1:34:21] i know there isn't anything attached to
[1:34:22] this
[1:34:23] [Music]
[1:34:24] i did have a chance to speak with the
[1:34:26] city clerk earlier today
[1:34:29] i believe and i know some council people
[1:34:32] reached out to me with questions
[1:34:34] concerns that they may have related to
[1:34:36] amending this section of the code
[1:34:39] there was
[1:34:40] one written
[1:34:42] submission
[1:34:44] for the public hearing from
[1:34:46] the concerned citizen
[1:34:48] i'm happy to address any questions or
[1:34:50] concerns that any of the council people
[1:34:52] may have
[1:34:53] otherwise i would
[1:34:55] request that the
[1:34:57] ordinance as
[1:34:59] presented in the public documentation
[1:35:02] move forward
[1:35:06] so i just have a question hopefully it's
[1:35:07] appropriate for this uh
[1:35:09] room right now would you mind clarifying
[1:35:12] the post and pre declaration that was
[1:35:14] highlighted as an issue the the what
[1:35:17] sorry the post and pre-deprivation that
[1:35:19] was highlighted as an issue sure
[1:35:23] from a practical standpoint
[1:35:25] when a code enforcement officer goes out
[1:35:27] to a property to do an inspection
[1:35:29] he or she obviously does
[1:35:33] an inspection
[1:35:34] and may see
[1:35:37] conditions that rise to the level and
[1:35:39] condition when i say conditions and being violations
[1:35:43] which rise to the level of the necessity
[1:35:45] to issue an order to vacate
[1:35:47] at that time the officer doesn't just
[1:35:50] provide you know a notice of the
[1:35:51] violation and a notice that i'm going to
[1:35:54] be issuing in order to vacate which
[1:35:56] could potentially give rise to what we
[1:35:58] would consider a pre-deprivation hearing
[1:36:01] instead the
[1:36:02] officer
[1:36:04] issues in order to vacate because the
[1:36:06] conditions rise to that level of
[1:36:09] putting uh people in peril
[1:36:12] and issues the order to vacate
[1:36:15] what we would be doing is offering a
[1:36:17] post
[1:36:19] a post-deprivation hearing
[1:36:23] in which within the time frame given in
[1:36:26] what was presented uh
[1:36:28] an aggrieved party could be the owner of
[1:36:30] the property could be a tenant
[1:36:32] uh requests uh a review of the order to
[1:36:36] vacate um
[1:36:39] i think we have it now the the way was
[1:36:41] proposed within three days they can
[1:36:43] submit their request
[1:36:45] and then within a certain amount of time
[1:36:46] the city would provide a hearing
[1:36:48] uh to review the order to vacate
[1:36:51] that would be a post-deprivation now it
[1:36:54] should be you know mentioned that
[1:36:56] generally when the city issues in order
[1:36:59] to vacate and we placard a property and
[1:37:01] provide a notice to the owner and any
[1:37:04] tenants we don't physically you know
[1:37:08] unless
[1:37:09] uh in maybe a rare circumstance would we
[1:37:11] physically remove people from
[1:37:14] a property we're providing them with
[1:37:15] notice we're providing them with
[1:37:17] information related to services so that
[1:37:19] they can get the housing that they need
[1:37:21] in the interim
[1:37:23] but a lot of that you know
[1:37:26] falls on the responsibility of the
[1:37:28] property owner to make sure the tenants
[1:37:30] are are leaving
[1:37:32] and the tenants themselves to leave um
[1:37:36] generally
[1:37:37] uh code enforcement
[1:37:39] contacts social services to see what
[1:37:42] type of temporary housing might be
[1:37:44] available but again this is more of a
[1:37:47] post-deprivation opportunity um for
[1:37:50] you know we're going to provide help
[1:37:51] we'll try to assist in providing housing
[1:37:54] but also the hearing that would be in
[1:37:55] place would be post-deprivation not
[1:37:57] pre-deprivation
[1:37:59] you got to address that
[1:38:01] clarification was warranted for anyone
[1:38:03] that might be listening sure definitely
[1:38:08] so um so when someone is uh there's a
[1:38:10] notice to vacate right now and when in
[1:38:12] that three-day period for on them to
[1:38:15] kind of um request the hearing loss
[1:38:19] they are
[1:38:20] once you have noticed a vacate the
[1:38:21] expectation is for you to vacate
[1:38:23] immediately the right or spirit it's meant to be immediately it's meant
[1:38:28] to be immediately because you know when
[1:38:31] an officer sees that where to vacate
[1:38:33] it's because
[1:38:34] there's a condition at the property in
[1:38:36] which there's it's dangerous for
[1:38:38] somebody to remain there
[1:38:40] uh you know and certain conditions you
[1:38:42] know may
[1:38:44] necessitate certain actions by those
[1:38:46] tenants some people take you know
[1:38:48] uh
[1:38:49] may take a chance and continue to stay
[1:38:51] there you know we don't chain up
[1:38:54] the property so somebody may leave and
[1:38:56] then come back
[1:38:58] and also there's an opportunity for
[1:39:00] people to
[1:39:01] go and try to correct correct the
[1:39:03] violations the property owner can go
[1:39:04] back and correct the violations
[1:39:06] we allow for that because we want them
[1:39:08] to abate the violation so they can go
[1:39:11] back in there the idea though is we're
[1:39:13] not keeping tabs after necessarily after
[1:39:15] hours to see if people are going back
[1:39:16] and staying the night
[1:39:18] um
[1:39:19] that's a tall task for us to accomplish
[1:39:23] uh given you know our limited capacity
[1:39:27] so
[1:39:29] any um
[1:39:31] on the uh notice the ak or any of the uh
[1:39:35] paper that's given to a tenant or a
[1:39:37] property owner for numbers to vacate
[1:39:39] does is there any like you know kind of
[1:39:41] like leaving like well the recourse what
[1:39:44] happens if i if i'm a tenant and i don't
[1:39:46] um vacate is there like you know
[1:39:49] in order to vacate is lawful order
[1:39:52] you know so when a code enforcement
[1:39:53] officer or the building inspector issues
[1:39:55] in order to vacate it's a lawful order
[1:39:58] uh the way the code's written and this
[1:39:59] is the property maintenance code
[1:40:01] somebody could potentially be
[1:40:03] um removed from the property now that
[1:40:06] potential exists
[1:40:08] the city
[1:40:10] as far as i know since i've been working
[1:40:12] for the city i don't know if we've
[1:40:14] exercised that in my time where we've
[1:40:16] you know removed somebody but the
[1:40:18] potential exists because if a property
[1:40:20] is unsafe we want to make sure that we
[1:40:21] are protecting people
[1:40:23] [Music]
[1:40:24] which is why you know there's this
[1:40:26] opportunity now we don't it's the
[1:40:28] balancing here right protecting people
[1:40:31] giving them the opportunity making sure
[1:40:33] that they're safe and also
[1:40:34] recognizing that you know people could
[1:40:37] potentially be getting kicked out of
[1:40:39] their home because of this unsafe
[1:40:40] condition so we're trying to balance
[1:40:42] that in a way by giving people this
[1:40:44] opportunity to be heard
[1:40:47] after the orders is issued
[1:40:51] one more question
[1:40:53] so
[1:40:54] and and right now it's written if
[1:40:56] someone's um well you know it could be
[1:40:59] not conditions right now i think uh are
[1:41:01] pretty demanding but it'll say like if
[1:41:03] you're in that and if someone uh is in
[1:41:05] the middle of the summer and someone's a
[1:41:07] power is cut up for a failure to
[1:41:09] pavement power is that right now does it
[1:41:12] do i understand correctly that that
[1:41:13] would be a reason to vacate
[1:41:16] a cold the cold enforcement would say
[1:41:18] right now you don't have power in your
[1:41:19] home and
[1:41:21] this rises a level for you to vacate
[1:41:22] departments i i can't speak for
[1:41:25] the code enforcement department and you
[1:41:27] know
[1:41:28] what would trigger in order to vacate
[1:41:31] um i generally would be of the mind that
[1:41:33] if there's no power to a house that in
[1:41:35] order to vacate should be issued there
[1:41:38] are certain you know minimum
[1:41:39] requirements that are
[1:41:43] a necessity for living in a hop in a
[1:41:45] house right so right now in the middle
[1:41:47] of winter for example if the heat
[1:41:50] doesn't work i would suspect that in
[1:41:52] order to vacate should be issued
[1:41:54] however if that condition existed in the
[1:41:55] summer time
[1:41:57] it might be a different determinations made given
[1:42:00] the circumstance right
[1:42:04] so mr cullen so if um
[1:42:07] for um
[1:42:09] legality if we issue that
[1:42:12] and
[1:42:13] does it take away
[1:42:15] um like code knowing about something so
[1:42:17] we're not held liable should the
[1:42:20] building fall down on top of people so
[1:42:22] the idea behind the
[1:42:24] issue in order to vacate obviously um
[1:42:27] there's a protection to the city you
[1:42:28] know when we issued a vacation right
[1:42:31] the idea is we placard the property we
[1:42:33] re we recognize that it's unsafe
[1:42:36] um
[1:42:37] somebody decides that you know after the
[1:42:39] order is issued i'm going to stay here
[1:42:42] i would submit to you that they are
[1:42:44] assuming the risk in staying in the
[1:42:46] building after we placard the building
[1:42:49] and deem it unsafe
[1:42:52] the idea with the hearing is to
[1:42:54] obviously uh give people those folks who
[1:42:57] are aggrieved an opportunity to be heard
[1:42:59] on whether or not the ordered vacant was
[1:43:01] properly issued if it should have been
[1:43:04] um you know
[1:43:06] maybe
[1:43:07] it should have affected maybe the entire
[1:43:09] building but only one of the units for
[1:43:11] example it gives them the opportunity to
[1:43:13] be heard
[1:43:15] as i said i think our code enforcement
[1:43:16] department errs on the side of caution
[1:43:19] to protect the public
[1:43:21] and given the circumstances you know at
[1:43:24] three o'clock in the morning for example
[1:43:26] uh to or to issue in order to vacate for
[1:43:28] an entire two-family structure
[1:43:31] but then give those folks who are
[1:43:33] aggrieved an opportunity to be heard
[1:43:35] maybe a couple days later to say you
[1:43:37] know i live on the second floor this
[1:43:39] shouldn't have impacted me you know it
[1:43:41] gives us enough it gives them an
[1:43:42] opportunity to be heard and if they feel
[1:43:44] um you know even after that hearing
[1:43:47] that
[1:43:48] the order to vacate
[1:43:50] let's say the order of vacate is
[1:43:52] uh by heard by hearing officer who says
[1:43:55] no it was properly issued
[1:43:57] there's a next step and that they can
[1:43:59] seek you know uh
[1:44:01] they can seek redress in supreme court
[1:44:03] which would be filing an article 78 it's
[1:44:04] an administrative process so you know i
[1:44:07] don't want you to think that you know
[1:44:10] after that initial hearing giving them
[1:44:11] this hearing that that is all that they
[1:44:14] have they have an opportunity to be
[1:44:15] heard beyond that
[1:44:17] so
[1:44:17] you know we're trying to provide again
[1:44:19] the opportunity for people to
[1:44:21] uh you know
[1:44:23] i guess seek redress seek review of
[1:44:26] an administrative decision that happens
[1:44:28] you know
[1:44:30] in a moment you know so to speak right
[1:44:33] where something gets called out in the
[1:44:34] middle of the night because there's no
[1:44:36] heat for example uh officer goes out
[1:44:38] issues in order to vacate there's no
[1:44:40] heat um
[1:44:42] and then redress can be sought you know
[1:44:44] by
[1:44:45] a tenant or an owner saying no no no
[1:44:48] it shouldn't have been issued because
[1:44:51] you know whatever the example is or it
[1:44:52] should have been issued on the entire
[1:44:53] property so this is just creating a
[1:44:56] roadmap for people to have their voices
[1:44:58] heard
[1:44:59] give them an opportunity to seek redress
[1:45:03] and
[1:45:03] really i think foster better
[1:45:05] communication between the city and why
[1:45:07] we do what we do
[1:45:09] and and those people who are impacted by
[1:45:12] the decisions that we make out in the
[1:45:13] field
[1:45:40] second
[1:45:50] development and planning we have 13
[1:45:53] items on the agenda
[1:45:55] um the first uh this diana's dumpling
[1:45:58] first four actually the first one is
[1:45:59] lead agency for a seeker and 30 day
[1:46:02] comment period regarding the rezoning of
[1:46:04] bear street and south
[1:46:08] [Music]
[1:46:11] is avenue the rezone of approximately
[1:46:13] 3.9 acres of land um from our 2-2 family
[1:46:17] to this c4 downtown learning district
[1:46:20] obviously is passing out a map that
[1:46:22] shows this area which
[1:46:24] the r2 um the currently zoned r2 area is
[1:46:27] directly adjacent to the c4 downtown
[1:46:31] zoning
[1:46:32] um
[1:46:33] we are we're making this request because
[1:46:36] there are constraints as to how these
[1:46:38] properties can be used
[1:46:40] and just given its proximity to downtown
[1:46:43] there's a lot of non-conforming uses
[1:46:45] within many of the parcels within
[1:46:48] the zone
[1:46:49] so when we're trying to look at a
[1:46:51] comprehensive development strategy for
[1:46:53] this this area and some of the projects
[1:46:56] that are
[1:46:56] um you know happening and some of the
[1:46:58] things that are currently within
[1:47:00] um as non-conforming uses
[1:47:03] that is what is sort of behind this
[1:47:04] request
[1:47:06] it's also kind of mid-block where the r2
[1:47:08] kind of comes in
[1:47:10] um
[1:47:10] so the block is kind of split between
[1:47:12] the c4 and the r2 so we're just
[1:47:14] requesting to basically extend that c4
[1:47:18] um
[1:47:20] as it's outlined and i don't know if you
[1:47:21] want to explain a little bit more this
[1:47:23] is obvious
[1:47:26] um so the first page on the maps that's
[1:47:28] just an avalanche
[1:47:29] where the zoning is what you see in the
[1:47:31] yellow hash marks there is what we're
[1:47:33] proposing to rezone the c4 that's
[1:47:35] currently the r2
[1:47:38] you can see the south of that kind of
[1:47:39] where the alley is
[1:47:42] that's about the block where the zone a
[1:47:44] changes from the c4 to the r2
[1:47:47] the second
[1:47:49] page in that packet
[1:47:51] is um it shows that conformance with the
[1:47:53] lab races that this one is talking about
[1:47:55] um
[1:47:56] you can see
[1:47:58] the ones in blue do conform with what's
[1:48:00] currently permitted the ones do not
[1:48:09] and then on the third page this is the
[1:48:12] performance with development standards
[1:48:14] so that means things like the
[1:48:16] setbacks the required front-end
[1:48:19] properties how large the properties have
[1:48:20] to be in general to be
[1:48:22] uh to be buildable so most of these
[1:48:25] structures are
[1:48:26] pre-dated the existing
[1:48:29] block development standards so if you're
[1:48:31] trying to build something now you
[1:48:32] wouldn't be able to in most cases
[1:48:35] by changing it to
[1:48:37] the c4
[1:48:39] it would allow for
[1:48:41] a greater use of the properties and just
[1:48:43] really just maybe easier for uh
[1:48:46] comprehensive developments it aligns
[1:48:48] with the
[1:48:49] zoning distance out of it
[1:48:52] so
[1:48:53] anytime there's a reason it's kind of a
[1:48:56] process you know the city council kind
[1:48:58] of
[1:48:59] can declare the intent to act as lead
[1:49:02] agency there's public hearings and then
[1:49:04] you refer
[1:49:05] to the planning commission to make their
[1:49:07] recommendation so it's kind of a little
[1:49:09] bit of a process this is the first step
[1:49:11] in the process
[1:49:13] but before we ask for that is there any
[1:49:16] questions
[1:49:18] i think sam were these made available on
[1:49:21] the site okay so i'm not sure you can
[1:49:24] pass these down at this late point
[1:49:38] is
[1:49:44] [Music]
[1:49:52] oh in relation to that first map that's
[1:49:55] in our packet where it says that um aik
[1:49:58] proposal so where is that on uh so
[1:50:00] that's a proposed
[1:50:03] um project so where is that on again
[1:50:06] what the highway is okay
[1:50:08] yeah thank you
[1:50:12] all right
[1:50:16] [Music]
[1:50:22] so right now you're requesting for us to
[1:50:24] become the uh you know you have to
[1:50:25] concerns regarding that
[1:50:29] technically i don't know if this was
[1:50:31] made available 24 hours
[1:50:36] the first map wasn't this
[1:50:39] the second two pages is the question
[1:50:42] yeah
[1:50:43] and that was just additional information
[1:50:44] that
[1:50:45] we thought might be helpful but if what
[1:50:47] you know
[1:50:48] the first map is really what the request
[1:50:50] is
[1:50:51] correct so the second map is more of
[1:50:54] just supporting information that shows
[1:50:56] conformal uses
[1:50:59] so we're so this is what we're
[1:51:01] acting on
[1:51:02] okay
[1:51:03] all right
[1:51:05] so are there any further questions or
[1:51:07] comments or concerns
[1:51:10] i'll hold this second
[1:51:12] all those in favor
[1:51:15] say yeah on the second i'm going to get
[1:51:17] the apollo public hearing yep so in
[1:51:19] relation to the same thing this is for
[1:51:21] the city council to call for a public
[1:51:23] hearing for the results
[1:51:24] rezoning of approximately 3.91
[1:51:29] any questions or concerns
[1:51:37] okay third item agenda is ferris street
[1:51:39] and south street avenue rezoning
[1:51:41] planning commission referral correct
[1:51:44] a resolution referring the zoning
[1:51:45] amendment proposal to the city's
[1:51:47] planning commission for a recommendation
[1:51:49] so once we get through our process
[1:51:50] you're just asking now that
[1:51:52] you'll be ready to move it on to the
[1:51:53] planning commission
[1:51:55] correct okay
[1:51:57] any questions yesterday
[1:51:59] thank you for coming quickly
[1:52:02] [Music]
[1:52:06] is this solely being done
[1:52:08] for
[1:52:10] the development projects there kitty
[1:52:12] corner
[1:52:13] on south and barrett
[1:52:16] that's definitely part of our
[1:52:19] that's part of our part of the
[1:52:20] discussion on this
[1:52:22] um
[1:52:23] but it's it's beyond that it's it's
[1:52:25] looking at what makes sense for this
[1:52:27] area that's so close to downtown with
[1:52:30] the changes that are happening there and
[1:52:31] how
[1:52:32] you know we can just have a more appropriate zone
[1:52:38] for it
[1:52:39] i guess my follow-up question is
[1:52:42] why not
[1:52:45] like this has been
[1:52:47] forever yeah so why not
[1:52:50] this has been something that we've
[1:52:51] discussed um
[1:52:53] previously you know in relation to
[1:52:56] just some of the there's there's
[1:52:57] barriers to kind of like infilling some
[1:53:00] of this area and as you know with the
[1:53:02] limits and equity projects and a lot of
[1:53:03] the voids in the neighborhood we want to
[1:53:06] make sure that we're able to do the
[1:53:07] in-field development there that we don't
[1:53:10] continue to have noise um where they're
[1:53:13] you know
[1:53:14] there could be potential um
[1:53:16] you know benefits to the neighborhood so
[1:53:19] nice
[1:53:22] oh mr voodoo
[1:53:23] um i have a question related to item
[1:53:25] number two that we just passed there is
[1:53:27] no date for the public hearing
[1:53:31] in this resolution no yeah well but
[1:53:35] are we are we setting in standard yeah
[1:53:45] are there other questions regarding
[1:53:47] rezoning
[1:53:48] and referring to the planning commission
[1:53:53] [Music]
[1:53:58] okay uh fourth item on the agenda to
[1:54:00] accept thirteen thousand grant award and
[1:54:02] uh to create historical
[1:54:05] oh okay
[1:54:06] thank you mr epstein that's okay
[1:54:23] um so this is this was a 13 000 grant
[1:54:26] award um to create historic design
[1:54:28] guidelines through the office of parks
[1:54:30] recreation and historic preservation um
[1:54:33] so these guidelines will be used to
[1:54:34] provide information and guidance for
[1:54:36] residents who live in historic districts
[1:54:38] on the different criteria that's
[1:54:40] evaluated when they you know make a
[1:54:43] change or
[1:54:45] make repairs to their properties so it
[1:54:48] kind of would just give more guidance
[1:54:50] for the historic district commission to
[1:54:52] i think kind of be less subjective and
[1:54:54] have criteria and guidelines around the
[1:54:56] way of intermission decisions and also
[1:54:58] making that information available
[1:55:00] to the property owners and residents who
[1:55:02] live
[1:55:03] within historic districts
[1:55:05] so
[1:55:06] the recommendation here is a resolution
[1:55:08] from the city council authorizing
[1:55:10] basically just the acceptance of these
[1:55:11] grant funds
[1:55:12] not to exceed thirteen thousand dollars
[1:55:15] and authorize the mayor his doesn't need
[1:55:17] to enter the agreement to effectuate
[1:55:20] this resolution
[1:55:22] and just further clarify the only food
[1:55:24] private is the like the sixteen hundred
[1:55:26] seventy hundred dollars in form of staff
[1:55:28] so there's no there's no past math
[1:55:30] correct match
[1:55:35] so
[1:55:37] if we move forward with this
[1:55:39] we then would probably though have an
[1:55:42] opportunity it would come back to
[1:55:43] council to approve whatever the design
[1:55:47] guidelines are that are developed the
[1:55:49] design guidelines would then become part
[1:55:51] of its own poem
[1:55:52] and
[1:55:53] i believe we
[1:55:55] have to come back to get those adopted
[1:55:57] so this would just be to kind of start
[1:55:58] that process and then they would have to
[1:56:00] be added to the zoning code
[1:56:06] that's the farthest
[1:56:07] yeah i was just microphones aren't
[1:56:09] because there are existing guidelines
[1:56:10] right now right so and how would that be
[1:56:15] yeah there there are and obviously a
[1:56:17] little bit more about this it's just
[1:56:19] very broad so a lot of the language
[1:56:21] that's currently used is really just
[1:56:24] like from this
[1:56:26] it's not specific to schenectady until
[1:56:29] it's the things that we have here what
[1:56:31] we have in the code right now is fairly
[1:56:33] general uh really specifies of what's
[1:56:36] you know certain terms but it doesn't
[1:56:38] define everything it doesn't um provide
[1:56:41] as much context i'm sure like what
[1:56:43] characterizes certain
[1:56:45] uh historic areas within the city the
[1:56:47] design guidelines um
[1:56:50] so we have design guidelines for like
[1:56:51] upper union
[1:56:53] corridor so
[1:56:55] they are referenced in the zoning code
[1:56:57] so that they apply
[1:56:59] um but the
[1:57:01] body of that language isn't actually in
[1:57:02] the code so we just have a section that
[1:57:04] says
[1:57:05] you know these
[1:57:06] guidelines
[1:57:07] are applicable
[1:57:08] so something similar would have to
[1:57:09] happen after we were created the design
[1:57:11] guidelines where
[1:57:13] there's a sentence that refers
[1:57:15] in the zoning code to the design
[1:57:17] guidelines themselves
[1:57:21] other questions
[1:57:24] okay
[1:57:25] and 10 motions accept the ground
[1:57:27] so we'll second all is in favor hi
[1:57:30] thank you thank you
[1:57:32] yeah so i'll tell you that
[1:57:34] okay
[1:57:36] all right the next item on the agenda is
[1:57:38] the discussion of the review committee
[1:57:39] for the arba applications
[1:57:42] so just uh i'm sure you all know that we
[1:57:45] you know got it uh we're getting 53
[1:57:47] million half of the money
[1:57:49] we have already received
[1:57:51] um and part of our when we weren't doing
[1:57:54] our tour we um well i'll say i but you
[1:57:56] know
[1:57:57] continually advocated to try to have
[1:58:00] people included from the community in
[1:58:02] terms of our review process
[1:58:04] so um that's so this is what this is
[1:58:07] about putting that um committee together
[1:58:09] and what that looks like and um and how
[1:58:11] we do that so i'll ask mr just to tell
[1:58:14] um from the development um department
[1:58:17] where they are with the applications
[1:58:19] right now the number
[1:58:21] the the amount being requested the
[1:58:23] amount we basically have to expend in
[1:58:26] this particular round
[1:58:28] sure so we've been kind of going through
[1:58:30] an american probably explains you know
[1:58:34] more along the lines of like the amount
[1:58:35] of funding and stuff but right now we've
[1:58:37] received i think it was just over 70
[1:58:39] applications and we've kind of just been
[1:58:41] categorizing them into different um
[1:58:44] basically just different categories so
[1:58:46] we have like the arts youth workforce
[1:58:48] and economic development
[1:58:50] facilities and infrastructure
[1:58:52] food and health and then housing
[1:58:54] um so we've just been kind of working on
[1:58:57] getting those into categories to be able
[1:59:00] to evaluate internally um so we did come
[1:59:03] up with an internal kind of like just
[1:59:05] criteria to start to look at the
[1:59:07] applications and do that internal
[1:59:08] evaluation that we can then use to make
[1:59:11] recommendations
[1:59:12] um around you know projects that we
[1:59:15] think are are suitable for the funding
[1:59:18] um
[1:59:19] in terms of
[1:59:20] the amount available i would defer to
[1:59:23] them
[1:59:41] allocated with the city council and what
[1:59:44] we have spent
[1:59:45] uh i did this really quick so that's why
[1:59:47] there's not too many
[1:59:49] titles on here
[1:59:50] okay
[1:59:52] passed out
[1:59:53] the first cop the first columnist you
[1:59:55] can look at that's that's the amount of
[1:59:57] the budgeted amount that was uh
[1:59:59] allocated it's 8.9 million the lost
[2:00:01] revenue
[2:00:03] uh the 2021 uh uh job allocation budget
[2:00:08] boys and girls club on and on that's a
[2:00:10] and uh the bottom line 4.6 million
[2:00:13] that's for the 2022 budget that was
[2:00:15] allocated
[2:00:16] so that total right there is 15 million
[2:00:18] 255. the second column 784 000 is what
[2:00:23] we actually have spent so far from uh up
[2:00:26] to today
[2:00:28] uh i put a balance in there but that
[2:00:29] balance is really you know
[2:00:31] back there because like i said
[2:00:33] like just today we just passed that at
[2:00:35] one point you know he's not a budget for
[2:00:36] the loss of revenue
[2:00:38] and uh the what do you call the covid
[2:00:41] job for 2022 we you know we haven't even
[2:00:44] started yet so that balance uh the one
[2:00:47] really to look at is the
[2:00:48] 2021 budget cal allocation for job
[2:00:51] retention because we actually went
[2:00:53] through we so far we've uh designated
[2:00:56] 1.4 million
[2:00:58] we definitely know we spent 523 000 but
[2:01:01] as we go through the period for audits
[2:01:03] and stuff like that when we redo it so
[2:01:05] this is a kind of like spurt of moment
[2:01:07] thing so that 900 000 is
[2:01:11] we figured is about available to move on
[2:01:13] to next year
[2:01:15] for the next process uh so so far we did
[2:01:18] receive 26 million dollars 485 at 899
[2:01:21] and we're we're due to receive another
[2:01:23] 26 million in um
[2:01:27] in may of 2022
[2:01:29] uh so we figured totally uh between
[2:01:32] those those two amounts we should have
[2:01:33] about
[2:01:34] 38 million 646
[2:01:37] to uh to allocate
[2:01:41] so this year
[2:01:43] yeah after we received the money in may
[2:01:45] of 2022. for this year you know with the
[2:01:47] 26 million we got right now uh we're
[2:01:49] looking at uh
[2:01:51] 11 million two hundred thirty thousand
[2:01:53] one hundred fourteen plus the other nine
[2:01:55] hundred eight thousand where i think
[2:01:57] we're going to have available after we
[2:01:59] do that gives us a total for that first
[2:02:01] thing of twelve million one hundred
[2:02:03] thirty eight thousand
[2:02:04] one hundred and fourteen dollars
[2:02:07] okay
[2:02:09] so that's um you know what we're talking
[2:02:11] about in terms of these um applications
[2:02:13] but the application amounts are well
[2:02:16] over
[2:02:20] [Music]
[2:02:21] right so right now there's 80 million
[2:02:23] and asked so just wanted to uh you know
[2:02:25] give you that
[2:02:27] background and also every all council
[2:02:29] members received an email on january 6th
[2:02:32] which gave us
[2:02:34] links to go to what the final
[2:02:37] recommendations are or final ways that
[2:02:38] we could use the money so there was you
[2:02:40] know everybody had had access to that
[2:02:41] and i believe we all actually
[2:02:43] also got the um the email with listing
[2:02:47] from mr sutherland listing um the
[2:02:49] projects did everyone get them right so
[2:02:51] listing the projects and what they were
[2:02:53] so this is where we are now and so um
[2:02:56] getting back to and obviously once we
[2:02:58] get there we'll that'll all be go
[2:02:59] through finance in terms of us
[2:03:01] doing the funding but working with the
[2:03:03] department of development
[2:03:05] um so
[2:03:06] having said that we will try to get
[2:03:08] community engagement on this um mr moody
[2:03:11] aaron do you want to talk about the
[2:03:12] steps that you've taken so far well yeah
[2:03:14] thank you madam president yeah i had the
[2:03:16] opportunity to reach out to this
[2:03:19] united neighborhood uh president
[2:03:21] tom kerry
[2:03:22] and he was
[2:03:24] willing to help us to get all the
[2:03:26] neighborhood leaders a representative
[2:03:28] from each of the neighborhood
[2:03:30] we're actually compiling that list now
[2:03:32] we should have it in a day or two
[2:03:34] and able to present it to the entire
[2:03:35] council in a couple days all the names
[2:03:38] from each neighborhood that will be part
[2:03:40] of this advisory group
[2:03:43] that will help us to review this
[2:03:44] application
[2:03:46] i encourage on the council if you have
[2:03:48] any names please please submit it so uh
[2:03:51] not a president
[2:03:53] yes because at those meetings there were
[2:03:55] some people right in the room that said
[2:03:56] i'd like to be a part of it that aren't
[2:03:58] necessarily um connected to neighborhood
[2:04:00] associations so what mr um
[2:04:03] mr kerry has submitted to us and let me
[2:04:04] just say he couldn't come tonight he was
[2:04:06] wanting to be on his own to have this
[2:04:08] discussion however he was um
[2:04:11] he was uh
[2:04:13] some he came in contact with someone who
[2:04:15] was uh positive with toby so he's in
[2:04:18] good quarantine and chose not to come
[2:04:20] here which i'm very happy about
[2:04:22] even though he tested uh he did he did
[2:04:24] test but he wasn't positive but uh you
[2:04:26] know airing on the side of caution he's
[2:04:28] quarantined so that's why he is not here
[2:04:30] tonight um so i'm not sure if you're
[2:04:33] here okay so um
[2:04:36] so that's so but he did he did reach out
[2:04:38] he did submit some names there are other
[2:04:39] people who also would like to um
[2:04:42] you know be a part of it um some of the
[2:04:44] questions that he said there's a number
[2:04:46] of questions that came through what
[2:04:47] their uh what their role would be and
[2:04:49] there's just a number of questions so
[2:04:50] there's a lot of things the council have
[2:04:52] to work out along with the mayor and uh
[2:04:54] developments who worked with the
[2:04:55] parameters of review would be
[2:04:58] um
[2:04:59] so i think that's where we you know
[2:05:00] that's where we are now just developing
[2:05:01] this committee and um and how the
[2:05:03] application process in terms of review
[2:05:06] would work how many people would be on
[2:05:07] the committee
[2:05:09] and with their roles and
[2:05:10] responsibilities i had some brief
[2:05:11] conversations with the mayor so you know
[2:05:13] we would work with the department of
[2:05:14] development how we make sure that we not only have people that are
[2:05:19] interested but also people that have
[2:05:21] that skill set and i i mean you don't
[2:05:23] have to be um have a degree in reviewing grants or have
[2:05:27] done it you know forever or something
[2:05:29] like that but you know having input from
[2:05:31] the community i think is vital and
[2:05:32] important which is why we're going down
[2:05:33] this road
[2:05:34] so right now we're just trying to
[2:05:35] develop that committee to um to move
[2:05:37] forward and and us to
[2:05:39] you know i'm not sure what our timeline
[2:05:40] is going to be in case that's the
[2:05:41] question but uh as quickly as possible
[2:05:44] to organize the committee
[2:05:46] to talk with the council and together um
[2:05:49] us you know be able to review the
[2:05:51] applications and allocate the remaining
[2:05:53] funds
[2:05:56] are there questions concerns mr calamity
[2:05:59] yeah a couple things first i find it
[2:06:01] very troubling that
[2:06:04] the
[2:06:04] organization
[2:06:07] was approached before the council even
[2:06:09] discussed whether or not we would put
[2:06:12] together a committee to look at the
[2:06:14] applications that to me is very
[2:06:17] troubling
[2:06:18] that
[2:06:19] the council as a whole did not discuss
[2:06:22] and approve that
[2:06:24] so that's the first thing
[2:06:26] secondly
[2:06:27] it's my understanding a committee list
[2:06:29] has already been submitted and is going
[2:06:32] around
[2:06:33] there's some names that have been
[2:06:34] suggested that's not that does not make
[2:06:36] up the committee that's what we're here
[2:06:37] discussing those are names that were
[2:06:39] submitted and at the last committee
[2:06:41] meeting we did talk about it and so no
[2:06:43] that we did not take a vote but
[2:06:44] certainly there was discussion that
[2:06:45] there will be a committee put together
[2:06:47] it was discussion but the idea was for
[2:06:50] all of us to come together
[2:06:52] and decide whether or not
[2:06:54] and i don't really have any particular
[2:06:56] problem with having committees
[2:06:59] but it was decided based on one or two
[2:07:02] people to do this
[2:07:05] and that
[2:07:06] in my opinion is incorrect it's just not
[2:07:08] right
[2:07:10] and so moving forward hopefully those
[2:07:12] discussions do happen in public
[2:07:15] so that the entire council can
[2:07:17] make that decision together so that we
[2:07:20] can have a stronger
[2:07:22] process going forward and i will say i
[2:07:25] have received the email
[2:07:26] that the committee has been deciding
[2:07:29] maybe not fully but there's certainly
[2:07:32] neighborhood representations that have
[2:07:34] been suggested that this they call the
[2:07:36] committee well they they can put
[2:07:38] whatever name on it but that decision as
[2:07:40] i'm saying here today is the decision
[2:07:42] that we make
[2:07:43] because there are some people who have
[2:07:45] asked to be on there who are not on the
[2:07:47] list of people that have been suggested
[2:07:49] so that is not a done deal it is
[2:07:51] absolutely not the first step is to even
[2:07:53] decide whether or not we're going to
[2:07:54] have a committee before we even decide
[2:07:56] who's on the committee and that had
[2:07:58] never been done so if you feel like that
[2:08:00] i feel like that we were through that
[2:08:02] process but if you feel like we haven't
[2:08:03] there's a certain discussion we can have
[2:08:05] it's uh something that was advocated for
[2:08:07] so
[2:08:08] um and i think we should move forward
[2:08:09] but if you feel like we need to make
[2:08:11] that official um motion in order to do
[2:08:13] that
[2:08:14] then certainly let's do it yeah i do
[2:08:17] because it wasn't this we talked talked
[2:08:20] about possible things that we might do
[2:08:22] that was one option it was never decided
[2:08:25] except for in the minds of maybe two
[2:08:27] individuals and that that is not
[2:08:29] appropriate in my mind well i think
[2:08:31] there's a mind more than two however so
[2:08:33] if you want to at this point discuss
[2:08:36] whether or not we need to have a
[2:08:37] committee we can have that discussion
[2:08:38] now and we can
[2:08:39] um
[2:08:40] yes detour
[2:08:44] field so anyway if it was discussed in
[2:08:47] the mind the more than two
[2:08:50] council
[2:08:52] um persons
[2:08:53] who were the more than two um because i know i wasn't approached at all
[2:08:58] regarding if um and
[2:09:01] regarding well i thought
[2:09:08] i know the mayor um said something like
[2:09:10] well that's up to the to the council
[2:09:13] that was all that was said and then the
[2:09:15] last meeting i said we'll go ahead we'll
[2:09:17] go forward and start looking forward and
[2:09:18] i didn't i didn't hear that i'm sorry
[2:09:20] but i was never approached um so who was
[2:09:23] because here's the opportunity at this
[2:09:25] point what i said is
[2:09:26] people there as some some other people
[2:09:29] have come to me and what i'm saying that
[2:09:31] this is not a done deal and that there's
[2:09:33] names mr mcvaren said if there's names
[2:09:34] that you would like to submit let's do
[2:09:36] that
[2:09:38] yes
[2:09:39] will you actually have your hand over
[2:09:41] there
[2:09:42] well i do want to say um
[2:09:44] seeing a list of names that have already
[2:09:46] been submitted
[2:09:47] via email as a committee and i hear what
[2:09:49] you're saying
[2:09:50] um
[2:09:51] i want to make sure i think that we're
[2:09:53] way a few steps back before we do
[2:09:56] actually have a committee because i
[2:09:58] think there really has to be guidelines
[2:10:00] i'm not i think i expressed after our
[2:10:02] meeting
[2:10:03] last last time after a committee meeting
[2:10:05] first of all that i thought that it
[2:10:07] wasn't really appropriate for city
[2:10:08] development and planning that it was
[2:10:09] more appropriate that this agenda item
[2:10:12] go through finance i know that mr
[2:10:14] muniveron agreed with me on that but
[2:10:16] that was after our committee meeting
[2:10:17] last time just because it is the
[2:10:19] appropriation of money
[2:10:21] i felt that it was more appropriate to
[2:10:23] go through finance but i also feel
[2:10:25] that given the fact that
[2:10:28] among all the projects on that list are
[2:10:31] many city projects that
[2:10:34] you know i know i'm going to advocate
[2:10:35] strongly for
[2:10:37] some of the city projects actually
[2:10:39] happening
[2:10:40] right now we're at about
[2:10:42] i forget what he just said um a little
[2:10:44] bit over 12 million dollars that google
[2:10:46] have left um in the first round i think
[2:10:49] there's close to 80 million dollars on
[2:10:50] that list
[2:10:52] um i think we have to really take a step
[2:10:54] back and make some decisions about
[2:10:58] if there is a committee which projects
[2:11:00] are committing to look at
[2:11:03] if there is a committee
[2:11:05] i want to really make sure that there's
[2:11:06] nobody on that committee who has you
[2:11:08] know already submitted letters of
[2:11:10] support for certain projects
[2:11:12] um
[2:11:13] might be involved with certain projects
[2:11:15] i mean i think that it's
[2:11:17] right what's the word right
[2:11:19] with the potential for conflict of
[2:11:20] interest among that so i think we have
[2:11:23] to really be careful about that as well
[2:11:25] and then i think that there's projects
[2:11:26] on the list
[2:11:28] that don't fall into the guidelines of
[2:11:30] the funding
[2:11:31] and which also might overlap with
[2:11:33] potential for cbpg funding
[2:11:36] so i want us to really have a
[2:11:37] conversation around that as well so that
[2:11:40] we're not putting out to
[2:11:42] a committee
[2:11:43] um all these projects when in fact some
[2:11:46] of them wouldn't even be projects that
[2:11:48] we would consider funding so through our
[2:11:50] yes so that is not that's not the plan
[2:11:52] just saying these are all the things
[2:11:53] i've been thinking about with and which
[2:11:55] makes sense absolutely all it makes
[2:11:56] sense which is not the plan we
[2:11:57] understand that in-house we will have to
[2:11:59] make those decisions and once we decide
[2:12:01] which applications will be considered
[2:12:03] the committee then reviews the
[2:12:04] application so we would do that work and
[2:12:07] as you said you've looked at the
[2:12:08] applications and some of them clearly
[2:12:10] it's not going to be 70 70 will not be
[2:12:12] the number because some of them clearly
[2:12:14] even just looking at it
[2:12:15] um quickly you'll realize like well no
[2:12:17] we can't fund that so that kind of work
[2:12:21] would be done as it is done in-house but
[2:12:23] the committee would then look at
[2:12:25] applications that met the criteria based
[2:12:27] on we know what the criteria is we all
[2:12:29] have the documents the the developer
[2:12:31] department of development has the
[2:12:32] documents and then they would be
[2:12:34] reviewed so this discussion today is
[2:12:36] just talking about how we put together
[2:12:38] the committee together to do that part
[2:12:40] of it the committee does not make the
[2:12:41] guidelines and stuff all that belongs to
[2:12:43] the city the committee does not do that
[2:12:45] so i just want to be clear on that
[2:12:50] mr farley yeah well you kind of
[2:12:51] clarified the point i was going to make
[2:12:53] what the city owns
[2:12:55] that i'm so i might um i i don't know
[2:12:58] that this is the um
[2:13:00] appropriate time to kind of raise this
[2:13:02] uh
[2:13:03] concern kind of request for some
[2:13:05] thoughts around um the extending the
[2:13:07] length of the application process
[2:13:09] um i just think it's important that um
[2:13:11] we recognize that this
[2:13:13] was a really tight window um
[2:13:16] during the pandemic and during the
[2:13:19] holidays
[2:13:20] for a lot of people
[2:13:22] and um so i you know think that as we
[2:13:25] figure out
[2:13:26] you know is there going to be a
[2:13:28] committee or not that's something that
[2:13:30] you know we should probably factor in i
[2:13:32] also uh uh think that the the final um
[2:13:38] guidance was
[2:13:39] released on the 26th i think
[2:13:43] [Music]
[2:13:44] the email came on january 6th january
[2:13:46] but and that was after the application on the
[2:13:51] initial application closed so i think
[2:13:54] that you know
[2:13:55] thinking about
[2:13:57] the public and as they get information
[2:13:59] and kind of determine whether or not
[2:14:01] projects
[2:14:02] that they have in mind
[2:14:04] um fall under the uh
[2:14:07] what was permissible for these funds
[2:14:09] then i think that we really need to um
[2:14:11] be really really intentional about
[2:14:13] considering extending the application
[2:14:16] process as well
[2:14:18] so
[2:14:20] this way
[2:14:21] so i can speak into address just the
[2:14:23] previous issues that were spoken to i
[2:14:25] think well i've been recalling i think
[2:14:27] i'd like to miss two or three of the
[2:14:29] neighborhood meetings and conversations
[2:14:30] regarding this topic um looking at the
[2:14:32] final rules that were put in place with
[2:14:35] this money one of which is fighting the
[2:14:36] pandemic and supporting families and
[2:14:38] businesses struggling with its public
[2:14:40] health and economic
[2:14:42] impacts
[2:14:43] similarly one of the issues that was
[2:14:45] continuously brought up at every meeting
[2:14:47] was the involvement of the community and
[2:14:48] having oversight from individuals
[2:14:50] outside of our chambers
[2:14:52] that was the expectation that i
[2:14:54] continuously heard
[2:14:55] so a theme without a further review i
[2:14:57] would expect us to adhere to the
[2:14:59] public's cry to have a voice on this
[2:15:01] council or have a voice in these
[2:15:03] conversations
[2:15:05] addressing the second concerns where if
[2:15:07] issues were
[2:15:09] noticed
[2:15:10] with the creation prematurely i was
[2:15:12] having these conversations on the city
[2:15:14] council
[2:15:15] i would only ask that
[2:15:17] when those were recognized that i don't
[2:15:19] know if opportunities were made to reach
[2:15:20] out to council president portfield to
[2:15:23] provide some clarity before this
[2:15:24] evening's meeting
[2:15:26] but definitely i don't find any issues
[2:15:28] or
[2:15:29] ill will with them seeking
[2:15:31] recommendations i understand that there
[2:15:33] may be displeasure with individuals
[2:15:35] choosing a different language that is
[2:15:37] not in line with their
[2:15:40] intent which was just getting
[2:15:42] recommendations to bring forth to the
[2:15:43] council unfortunately i imagine they
[2:15:45] can't speak for what someone else said
[2:15:47] but definitely the topic was to review
[2:15:49] the committee assignments and i am
[2:15:51] confident that
[2:15:52] mrs porterfield was here to review any
[2:15:55] issues or entertainment issues but
[2:15:57] any recommendations that they are
[2:15:59] bringing forward so
[2:16:00] to answer mr pauline's question i again
[2:16:03] [Music]
[2:16:12] one way we can kind of like come be a
[2:16:15] little more efficient and process look
[2:16:16] at what's done look at the facts is
[2:16:18] there a committee um have we have we
[2:16:21] formed the committee right now no that
[2:16:23] hasn't happened people have submitted
[2:16:25] names all right so so then
[2:16:27] something clearly that that hasn't that
[2:16:29] hasn't happened that decision hasn't
[2:16:31] been made so i think that that can kind
[2:16:33] of alleviate any concerns around um
[2:16:35] decisions being made even or every more
[2:16:37] um but just wanting to uh counseling
[2:16:40] that didn't happen
[2:16:44] all right hear what you're saying man i
[2:16:46] appreciate what you're saying
[2:16:48] however the email that was going around
[2:16:50] was they were asked to create a
[2:16:52] committee
[2:16:53] and they have done so
[2:16:55] this was never decided by the council as
[2:16:57] a whole i don't have
[2:16:59] an issue
[2:17:00] particularly with a committee being
[2:17:02] formed
[2:17:03] the issue is we did not discuss
[2:17:06] and agree to that as a council
[2:17:09] it was done by a few individuals
[2:17:12] and those individuals contacted son
[2:17:15] and son was asked to create a committee
[2:17:18] they sent that out with individuals as
[2:17:22] here's the committee now there may be
[2:17:24] additional people
[2:17:25] but that's what was going on that's the
[2:17:28] problem i have
[2:17:29] just to clarify i do take your
[2:17:32] um comments
[2:17:34] um
[2:17:35] well attention and i yeah i agree with a
[2:17:38] lot of what you're saying
[2:17:40] but there's an appropriate process
[2:17:42] and it wasn't followed that's the
[2:17:44] problem so let me ask mr munimer did you
[2:17:46] ask them for names or did you ask them
[2:17:48] to make it specifically asked to submit
[2:17:49] names
[2:17:50] so the council could review
[2:17:52] so if there was a misunderstanding for
[2:17:54] ask as opposed to what was given that's
[2:17:56] a different conversation because my
[2:17:57] understanding there is no committee
[2:17:59] there's simply names being
[2:18:00] um submitted put it forward and as i
[2:18:03] said there are other people whose names
[2:18:04] are not on that list that i know that
[2:18:06] have reached out to me that have said
[2:18:08] i'd like to be a part of that so that to
[2:18:10] me is not the committee's not being
[2:18:12] formed and um
[2:18:14] to miss patrick's point the there's this
[2:18:17] will be a two-prong process as i said
[2:18:20] we're working this is city development
[2:18:22] playing so the city development planning
[2:18:23] committee is working with development to
[2:18:25] make sure that we get the process in
[2:18:26] place and then the applications
[2:18:28] themselves will be financed that yes
[2:18:30] so
[2:18:31] it's you know
[2:18:32] let's just be clear that this is uh
[2:18:35] something that's never happened in this
[2:18:36] city before so are we creating
[2:18:39] guidelines that we as we go for some that we have to so if there's been
[2:18:43] missteps i apologize for that however
[2:18:45] there's no ill intent
[2:18:47] the only intent is to make sure that the
[2:18:50] city residents
[2:18:51] voices are herd
[2:18:53] and that we try to to our to the best of
[2:18:55] our ability to make sure that that
[2:18:56] happens
[2:18:57] so
[2:18:58] um
[2:18:59] so at this point in time i will have a
[2:19:01] roll call and for those who are in favor
[2:19:03] of creating or not committing to
[2:19:05] creating
[2:19:06] a committee to review the our
[2:19:09] applications so that we make sure that
[2:19:11] everyone is on record to where they
[2:19:13] stand on this particular issue can i
[2:19:15] just ask one more question
[2:19:16] um so
[2:19:18] and i know i'm jumping the gun on a
[2:19:20] straw pole here but um
[2:19:23] because i also would love to be able to
[2:19:25] if we are going to have a committee then
[2:19:26] i think each of us should be able to
[2:19:28] also
[2:19:29] submit names and
[2:19:30] um absolutely you know of people that
[2:19:33] would be on the committee
[2:19:34] uh as well so i just wanted to make that
[2:19:36] clear as well that was that was made
[2:19:38] clear that was stated and in addition to
[2:19:39] that i if i didn't say it it certainly
[2:19:42] was in my mind that we also have to we
[2:19:44] made it
[2:19:45] 40 names are we going to have reported a
[2:19:47] committee of 40. chances are absolutely
[2:19:49] not so then we would have to look at the
[2:19:50] names they're submitted and say
[2:19:52] this person i mean yes or no so we would
[2:19:54] have those are decisions that we would
[2:19:56] make based on what's the information
[2:19:58] that's provided to us and just one more
[2:19:59] comment again back to mr williams i mean
[2:20:01] we did all attend all the neighborhood
[2:20:03] meetings that were very productive
[2:20:05] meetings as mr farley noted on that the mayor and and city staff ran and got
[2:20:12] a lot of input i mean i took pages of
[2:20:14] notes
[2:20:15] um on what our community members want to
[2:20:18] see happen with the arbor funding so i
[2:20:20] think we all and i know i missed one of
[2:20:22] those meetings i think probably all of
[2:20:24] us missed maybe one meeting
[2:20:26] but for the most part we were all we
[2:20:28] were all there
[2:20:29] and heard and heard from that plus we
[2:20:30] had the survey
[2:20:32] um as well that was done to also solicit
[2:20:34] community input so
[2:20:36] um it's not like we had a closed process
[2:20:39] even to this point um in terms of what
[2:20:41] we what we did to try to solicit
[2:20:43] community
[2:20:44] and i shouldn't say we the city the
[2:20:46] mayor
[2:20:48] i think you could say we as the council
[2:20:49] attended and we certainly encourage
[2:20:51] people to come and put the information
[2:20:52] out there so i think we is appropriate
[2:20:56] so is there further discussion if not
[2:20:58] i'll have uh the clerk called the role
[2:21:00] on this particular issue point order
[2:21:02] here this
[2:21:03] it doesn't this isn't a roll call but
[2:21:05] we're in a committee meeting so it's
[2:21:07] within yourself
[2:21:11] did you have something to eat yeah
[2:21:12] because i'd be remiss that i didn't
[2:21:14] highlight his previous comment hopefully
[2:21:16] you didn't feel like i just
[2:21:18] over emphasized it with potentially
[2:21:20] reopening the application process uh
[2:21:23] i've had
[2:21:24] considerations myself i want to put it
[2:21:26] on on record that i definitely
[2:21:28] appreciate everyone who was able to meet
[2:21:30] those deadlines they were definitely uh
[2:21:33] during uh the heightened stages of our
[2:21:35] pandemic they were during a holiday
[2:21:37] season and i want to applaud everyone i
[2:21:38] was able to submit that on time however
[2:21:41] i think
[2:21:42] having it
[2:21:43] unfortunately a link to further
[2:21:45] discussion i think we should open to
[2:21:48] understanding potentially having it
[2:21:49] extended
[2:21:50] to incorporate individuals that weren't
[2:21:52] able to meet those
[2:21:54] expectations and what i want to say is i
[2:21:57] don't think it's done added a service to
[2:21:59] any projects that currently were
[2:22:00] submitted because i don't want it to be
[2:22:02] seemed as if we're competing against
[2:22:04] each other this is community this is
[2:22:06] money for the community that's going to
[2:22:07] benefit the community and if we seem to
[2:22:10] look at it as us competing against each
[2:22:12] other i think that will negatively pit
[2:22:14] us against one another which is
[2:22:16] essentially uh what could potentially
[2:22:19] happen so i think if we look at whether
[2:22:23] extending it
[2:22:24] even if it was only done from the
[2:22:26] standpoint of
[2:22:28] for the duration of the creation of this
[2:22:29] committee
[2:22:30] my recommendation would be opening up
[2:22:32] for two weeks
[2:22:34] if that uh is a cause of a concern
[2:22:37] definitely understand i don't want to do
[2:22:39] it uh to the detriment of people i've
[2:22:41] already submitted projects but i
[2:22:43] definitely agree with mr uh farley's
[2:22:45] comments of some people missed out due
[2:22:47] to unforeseen issues
[2:22:51] and i
[2:22:52] wanted to again highlight that the final
[2:22:54] guidance for what the money um it can be
[2:22:57] used for came
[2:22:59] after we closed the um
[2:23:01] the uh
[2:23:03] for for uh people who want to submit so
[2:23:05] once again you know if we are in a
[2:23:08] position where we're getting new
[2:23:09] information the public has more
[2:23:10] information then there could be
[2:23:12] potentially some people who might have
[2:23:14] put an application in
[2:23:17] um due to the uh
[2:23:19] to the final direction of the guidelines
[2:23:20] but
[2:23:21] before that information was made
[2:23:23] available to the public just didn't um
[2:23:25] didn't think that their project would
[2:23:27] fit in and i also had a question
[2:23:31] this like what's the usual
[2:23:33] length for like uh
[2:23:35] for our community block grant one like
[2:23:37] what's like usually though
[2:23:39] yeah there's usually five weeks so five
[2:23:42] to five weeks because we put it out and
[2:23:43] the january is usually in by march
[2:23:45] and then we have the review period and
[2:23:47] all the public hearings so all right so
[2:23:50] and that and how long was the
[2:23:53] for the performance
[2:23:55] it was the month of december i believe
[2:23:57] yeah
[2:24:00] so i think so kind of highlight the fact
[2:24:01] that uh the community blocker and money is
[2:24:06] something that happens annually so
[2:24:07] there's like some expectation um um that
[2:24:10] this happens um this right here is a you
[2:24:14] know a one-time
[2:24:16] opportunity for us so i think that it
[2:24:17] would be you know
[2:24:20] really wise of us as a council to say
[2:24:22] that we at least give the same amount of
[2:24:24] time that we give to the community for
[2:24:26] something that is um
[2:24:29] where people are
[2:24:30] relatively can expect that to happen um
[2:24:34] and i think that this is a really good
[2:24:36] opportunity to uh make sure that we are
[2:24:40] casting the widest that we can and look
[2:24:42] for opera opportunities to collaborate
[2:24:45] with the members of our community mayor
[2:24:48] but just in terms of that window of
[2:24:51] opportunity we went out to the community
[2:24:53] meetings we're telling people telling
[2:24:55] groups what
[2:24:57] the potential
[2:25:01] areas were
[2:25:02] wanted them to think about it had them
[2:25:05] talk about some of their goals desires
[2:25:09] uh and i think we were actually live
[2:25:11] before december 1st so it was
[2:25:14] you might be arguing about days even
[2:25:16] though we had talked about opening it up
[2:25:18] it was getting the site up and making it
[2:25:21] live
[2:25:22] and effort this is the first round of
[2:25:24] monday that's right so
[2:25:26] still looking to do this
[2:25:29] one more time
[2:25:30] uh when we get the money uh
[2:25:33] expected in may
[2:25:38] so i don't want to
[2:25:41] i'm
[2:25:42] not quite sure how to
[2:25:44] position it
[2:25:46] so we get other applications who's going
[2:25:49] to process those who's going to rank
[2:25:51] them the city council are going to take
[2:25:53] care of that
[2:25:57] i've put
[2:26:00] criteria in place assigned staff to do
[2:26:02] it i have other things you know i have
[2:26:04] to manage the day-to-day operations so
[2:26:06] somebody brings in
[2:26:08] an application now
[2:26:12] is that going to get
[2:26:13] talked about people who are going to be
[2:26:15] mad because everybody else did meet the
[2:26:17] criteria and this one is out there in
[2:26:21] the fine guidance
[2:26:23] it was not a dramatic deviation from
[2:26:25] what the preliminary guidance was so
[2:26:28] that i don't think there was anybody
[2:26:30] from what i saw and i had not read every
[2:26:33] application
[2:26:35] uh
[2:26:36] that would have been precluded
[2:26:40] or
[2:26:40] opened up
[2:26:42] and based on that final guidance that
[2:26:44] came out of the treasury part
[2:26:46] that's
[2:26:51] um
[2:26:52] i have to say with all due respect and
[2:26:53] just now putting my professional hat on
[2:26:56] as opposed to the council hat um having
[2:26:59] been a grants developer for you know 40
[2:27:02] years
[2:27:03] um
[2:27:04] it's
[2:27:05] common to have that kind of a length of
[2:27:07] time in order to be able to submit a
[2:27:08] grant there were many other grant
[2:27:10] applications that were also due on
[2:27:12] december 31st to nonprofits
[2:27:15] the united way for well no not the
[2:27:16] united way but there were other
[2:27:17] applications that we had to get in by
[2:27:19] december 31st i think
[2:27:21] folks
[2:27:22] i think it would be unfair really
[2:27:24] honestly if i was somebody that put in a
[2:27:26] grant application and i heard the
[2:27:27] process was reopened i would really be
[2:27:30] upset um because i think it would be
[2:27:33] like
[2:27:34] you know basically oh you guys all got
[2:27:37] it in on time but now we're going to
[2:27:38] open it up again we already know that
[2:27:40] we're not going to be able to fund
[2:27:42] most of the applications um so now we're
[2:27:45] going to be even like trying to get even
[2:27:46] more applications in that we'll have to
[2:27:48] say no to
[2:27:49] um so it's
[2:27:51] i just i mean again all due respect i
[2:27:53] hear what you guys are saying but i
[2:27:55] think it would really um
[2:27:58] be unfair
[2:28:02] we tried to make that application
[2:28:05] process fairly simple
[2:28:07] and straightforward so we weren't
[2:28:09] looking for reams of information other
[2:28:12] things
[2:28:13] you know we may go back to some of the
[2:28:15] groups now and ask for more
[2:28:16] documentation as you go through this
[2:28:18] review process
[2:28:19] to make the final decision but again it
[2:28:22] was to
[2:28:23] get things in there conceptually
[2:28:26] and be able to work with groups
[2:28:29] some who were
[2:28:30] maybe more informal this might be their
[2:28:33] one and only time applying as well as
[2:28:36] other ones who
[2:28:38] on a routine basis either apply for cdbg
[2:28:41] money other uh
[2:28:43] money from uh city other entities and uh
[2:28:47] i think all in all it went
[2:28:49] fairly well
[2:28:51] uh
[2:28:52] you know it's a
[2:28:55] number of
[2:28:56] applicants there that
[2:28:58] put forth some interesting ideas and
[2:29:00] concepts and
[2:29:04] i think it reflects well
[2:29:06] in the community as a whole the problem
[2:29:08] is now there's always never
[2:29:10] the newcomers of the council will learn
[2:29:12] that
[2:29:14] there's never enough money to fund all
[2:29:16] the things and you have to
[2:29:20] put down the that narrow path of trying
[2:29:23] to keep uh as many people happy as you
[2:29:25] can
[2:29:26] and leverage the dollars to get the
[2:29:28] biggest impact
[2:29:30] mr moto baron had did you have a point
[2:29:32] two part question um
[2:29:34] did you receive any application after
[2:29:36] the deadline
[2:29:38] no i don't think um well we officially we closed the
[2:29:43] portal on the monday
[2:29:46] so there was there was a complication
[2:29:47] over the weekend
[2:30:00] next year
[2:30:01] this year you know
[2:30:03] yeah for the for the next round but i
[2:30:05] mean
[2:30:06] i think
[2:30:08] i guess you just kind of i don't know
[2:30:10] from my perspective i think that i'm
[2:30:12] also
[2:30:13] if we have 80 million dollars in ask
[2:30:15] right now we know we can't fund most of
[2:30:17] the applications i am concerned about
[2:30:20] that um not to say that you know
[2:30:22] whatever the process is the process but
[2:30:25] whatever is decided is decided but i am
[2:30:27] worried about the amount of ass the
[2:30:29] amount of good products there's not that
[2:30:31] many that are disqualified i can tell
[2:30:34] you something that wouldn't qualify for
[2:30:36] the funding so you know it's going to be
[2:30:38] a question of how we make those
[2:30:40] decisions
[2:30:41] um because it's already
[2:30:43] just just a question of that we talk
[2:30:45] about rolling somebody's application
[2:30:46] into cdbg or they can qualify under the
[2:30:49] cdbg
[2:30:50] may or did we receive a number in terms
[2:30:53] of how much we're going to receive with
[2:30:55] regards to infrastructure money
[2:30:57] no because some of these applications
[2:30:59] i've gone through you know scan across
[2:31:00] some might fall into that category
[2:31:03] it's possible and we don't have enough
[2:31:06] time
[2:31:07] so we have to look at that as well so
[2:31:09] the cdbg and also the infrastructure
[2:31:11] money that was recently passed
[2:31:14] on this application here
[2:31:16] mr berlin so a few things so you're
[2:31:18] saying that when after the uh portal
[2:31:21] closed monday you got a couple
[2:31:22] applications in
[2:31:24] we told you it wasn't closed december
[2:31:25] 31st we didn't actually close it until
[2:31:28] um january 2nd 4th february 4.
[2:31:34] so we didn't receive something during
[2:31:36] that period of time oh there's nobody
[2:31:38] that called up and said we did not
[2:31:40] submit our application we spit it at
[2:31:42] this point in time
[2:31:43] if we have we would have taken it and
[2:31:45] then referred to
[2:31:46] the group here
[2:31:47] of whether to accept the application or
[2:31:49] not but we did not receive anybody
[2:31:51] stating that they were not able to
[2:31:53] submit the application right no my
[2:31:56] question was more specifically so the
[2:31:57] communication was that that portal will
[2:31:59] close on the 31st but it didn't close on
[2:32:02] 30 hours and we refused when we received
[2:32:04] a few applications after the 31st
[2:32:10] if you look at the spreadsheet the date
[2:32:11] that we received was noted there so you
[2:32:12] see that did we did receive a problem on
[2:32:15] january 2nd and first
[2:32:22] okay
[2:32:30] my question is if
[2:32:31] the application came in after the time
[2:32:33] that we
[2:32:34] communicated to the public that we were
[2:32:36] going to close the portal we did accept
[2:32:37] those applications though we did we did
[2:32:39] good we did we didn't
[2:32:41] have any applications
[2:32:44] um
[2:32:45] there was a couple people there's
[2:32:46] somebody did call about some things that
[2:32:47] were located far away from the city we
[2:32:49] told them i mean you can apply them
[2:32:56] so are you suggesting mr farley that if
[2:32:58] it came after that we just we say you
[2:32:59] missed the call update and not accept those applications
[2:33:04] what i'm
[2:33:05] kind of trying to note here is that
[2:33:07] we're saying that
[2:33:09] you know to economist uh carmel's points
[2:33:11] that if i'm somebody who got my
[2:33:12] application in and then somebody else
[2:33:15] does and i feel like it's not fair i
[2:33:17] don't think it would be unfair for me
[2:33:18] and you know i i think that
[2:33:20] the larger point that i'm trying to make
[2:33:22] is that this this is common you know
[2:33:24] working in a non-profit for a long time
[2:33:26] myself i know that this is a common
[2:33:28] timeline um but as a governing body we
[2:33:31] have a obligation to recognize that
[2:33:33] these are uncommon times
[2:33:35] so when these these these being uncommon
[2:33:38] times our opportunity to be responsive
[2:33:40] to the community um and to
[2:33:43] ensure that we're casting a wide net and
[2:33:45] even though we have
[2:33:47] i think
[2:33:48] uh mr marriott point is well taken we're
[2:33:50] never going to have enough right
[2:33:52] so
[2:33:53] but when you want to be equitable does not matter how much you
[2:33:56] have it's it's it's the process of what
[2:33:59] you allocate and distribute so we could
[2:34:01] be equitable with 10 million dollars or
[2:34:03] one dollar and i think that what we need
[2:34:05] to do is just make sure that we're uh
[2:34:07] considering the fact that this was
[2:34:09] during a pandemic this was a short
[2:34:12] timeline and there was further darkness
[2:34:14] that came out after the portal folks so
[2:34:17] even though it wasn't maybe a dramatic
[2:34:19] shift there was still more information
[2:34:21] how can we expect the public to make a
[2:34:23] determination of whether to submit
[2:34:25] something if the guidance came out after
[2:34:27] we closed the portal
[2:34:29] but i have to say to the mayor's point
[2:34:31] that that didn't change a lot it was not
[2:34:33] a significant a significant change and i
[2:34:35] don't know which applications you're
[2:34:36] talking about if anything's particular
[2:34:39] um because i didn't see a lot of change
[2:34:40] in in the guidance i don't know if any
[2:34:42] of you had an opportunity to look at it
[2:34:44] there was not there were not major shifts
[2:34:48] no mr williams uh so just i don't know
[2:34:50] if it was mentioned or if it was implied
[2:34:52] but i thought we should at least credit
[2:34:54] your staff mayor mccarthy for taking uh
[2:34:56] ownership of this huge ask
[2:34:58] hopefully my comments did
[2:35:00] not recognize that this was like a
[2:35:02] monumentous project that you guys did
[2:35:04] successfully and i appreciate all the work that he did and if we choose
[2:35:09] him before with another application
[2:35:10] process it's going to be these lessons
[2:35:12] learned that improve it moving forward
[2:35:14] so i just wanted to know
[2:35:18] so at this point in time so we can kind
[2:35:20] of bring this to a close i think there's
[2:35:21] a couple of questions that we have to
[2:35:22] ask the first one and just get the the
[2:35:24] pulse of the council
[2:35:26] if the first um that we're um in favor
[2:35:29] of creating a committee that includes um
[2:35:32] neighborhood representatives to review
[2:35:34] the application so just want you know
[2:35:38] so we'll just call the council uh mr
[2:35:40] williams
[2:35:42] yes
[2:35:44] mr farley yes
[2:35:46] miss patrick i would say yes to the
[2:35:50] applications except for the ones that
[2:35:51] were submitted by the city
[2:35:56] mr mitsubaran
[2:35:58] uh yes but uh you know this is something
[2:36:00] that when we uh when we went through the
[2:36:02] city when mayor mccarthy had the
[2:36:04] meetings the harper meetings it was
[2:36:06] something that the community wanted all
[2:36:08] the neighborhood it was echoed across
[2:36:09] all neighborhoods community
[2:36:11] involvement
[2:36:13] how can we participate in helping the
[2:36:15] city council the administration in terms
[2:36:17] of coming up with the ideas how we spend
[2:36:19] this money
[2:36:20] so i think it's it's not new what's
[2:36:22] happening
[2:36:23] it's something that we were they were
[2:36:25] asking for and we're actually doing it was something that was discussed some
[2:36:30] of the council remember were not here it
[2:36:32] was thrown out but it's something that
[2:36:33] we
[2:36:34] brought with us from all these
[2:36:36] neighborhood meetings and it's something
[2:36:38] that we're trying to put in place
[2:36:39] together
[2:36:40] and you know i encourage everybody to
[2:36:42] get on board and submit names and you
[2:36:44] know we can come to the table and flash
[2:36:46] names out if we want to select so like a
[2:36:48] workable group not 40 names you know i'm
[2:36:51] just using numbers but something that we
[2:36:53] can all work for and
[2:36:54] towards and
[2:36:56] get a group that help us you know manage
[2:36:58] and able to discuss and come up with
[2:37:00] ideas on how to be able to look at each
[2:37:02] of these applications
[2:37:04] and come up with ideas on how we can
[2:37:06] able to fund that
[2:37:07] and i have you know i agree
[2:37:09] after
[2:37:10] mccarthy that we can open up the
[2:37:13] application process when we receive our
[2:37:16] funding in so there will be
[2:37:17] opportunities for others to to
[2:37:20] resubmit or submit applications during
[2:37:22] that process we have to be look at the
[2:37:24] logistics too i mean be fair to the
[2:37:26] staff and you know going back
[2:37:28] applications already and paperwork with
[2:37:30] us
[2:37:30] let's move on what we have
[2:37:32] and when the next round come we'll
[2:37:34] encourage who didn't submit on time to
[2:37:36] encourage them to reach out to them and
[2:37:38] to make sure that they submit
[2:37:40] application on time
[2:37:42] and full support of getting this
[2:37:45] advisory group together to help us move
[2:37:47] this forward
[2:37:49] thank you mr toro um i'm supportive a
[2:37:52] committee but i would really like some
[2:37:54] guidelines before we even up on what the
[2:37:56] committee's
[2:37:58] job java bay um absolutely you know
[2:38:01] we're our neighborhoods we all live in
[2:38:02] our neighborhoods we want to spend our
[2:38:04] money in our neighborhoods but again as
[2:38:06] the mayor said we want to get
[2:38:08] the most
[2:38:09] uh
[2:38:10] money
[2:38:12] we want to get the most out of what
[2:38:14] money we have sure
[2:38:16] so as much as i would love to help
[2:38:18] everyone i mean
[2:38:20] you know a lot i want to know more about
[2:38:22] what what this committee is going to do
[2:38:24] and who's going to have the final say so
[2:38:28] you know
[2:38:29] and so if there's if i bring 10 there's
[2:38:31] already 10 12 on it on a list submitted
[2:38:34] 20 30 40 60 100. who's gonna who's going
[2:38:37] to interview these people i don't feel
[2:38:39] confident enough to interview someone
[2:38:42] and say you're not
[2:38:43] qualified enough to make this decision
[2:38:45] when none of us really are at this point
[2:38:47] because everything's so new so i'd like
[2:38:49] some guidelines on what what this
[2:38:51] committee is absolutely
[2:38:53] that's part of forming committee so as i
[2:38:55] said this is all new territory for all
[2:38:57] of us
[2:38:58] but we still have an obligation and so
[2:39:00] we're going to put together
[2:39:02] a group so we can make that obligation
[2:39:05] all right
[2:39:06] mr coleman i want to be clear i have no
[2:39:08] issue with public involvement in the art
[2:39:12] of money
[2:39:13] absolutely not i mean it's been said
[2:39:16] many times
[2:39:17] that at the meetings
[2:39:20] people wanted to be involved and that's
[2:39:22] a great thing and i'm happy for that and
[2:39:25] i want people to participate
[2:39:28] however
[2:39:29] this was decided before this meeting
[2:39:32] and the email says we have as requested
[2:39:37] we have put a committee together
[2:39:39] we have assembled this committee with
[2:39:42] nine names
[2:39:44] and are ready to work with the council
[2:39:46] to make recommendations on submitted
[2:39:48] projects
[2:39:50] that's just not right for any of us
[2:39:54] i don't care who we are it's just plain
[2:39:57] wrong so i'm voting no out of principle
[2:40:00] but i want to make clear i have no
[2:40:01] problem with
[2:40:02] public
[2:40:03] input
[2:40:06] yes and as i said before the committee
[2:40:09] to me has not been determined names were
[2:40:11] submitted so
[2:40:12] um
[2:40:13] again if there's a misunder
[2:40:14] communication on what was asked of the
[2:40:16] people who were asked
[2:40:19] but
[2:40:20] there is no committee that has been
[2:40:21] fully completed that's why we're having
[2:40:23] the discussion tonight
[2:40:25] so we can move forward with that
[2:40:29] yes mr mayor and also
[2:40:32] remind the council who's uh pointed out
[2:40:35] by mr wall and that we have
[2:40:39] over the last few years put together
[2:40:41] lists of professional
[2:40:45] individuals groups who
[2:40:48] they're not on a formal retainer but we
[2:40:50] have agreements that if we need them
[2:40:52] it's a predetermined rate so if we need
[2:40:54] an engineer they'll provide a
[2:40:58] certain rate we need an architect we can
[2:41:00] get it and so
[2:41:03] those
[2:41:06] resources
[2:41:07] can be made available
[2:41:09] and we're not quite that far in terms of
[2:41:12] the internal review do we need some
[2:41:14] technical assessment and so i don't
[2:41:17] belabor because the meetings running on
[2:41:20] a lot of these are very good groups
[2:41:23] well-intentioned projects
[2:41:26] i worry
[2:41:28] that some things where they've made
[2:41:30] they've had ideas and thoughts out there
[2:41:32] before
[2:41:33] where there were cost estimates that
[2:41:35] they had come up with a couple years ago
[2:41:38] those may not be valid today because
[2:41:41] we've seen costs go up the disruptions
[2:41:44] in the supply chain
[2:41:46] and so
[2:41:47] again you may have something that
[2:41:49] looks good on paper you think it's well
[2:41:51] thought out
[2:41:52] and then when you actually go to
[2:41:54] implement it it won't be
[2:41:56] the numbers that the assumptions were
[2:41:58] there and we have to make sure that
[2:42:00] we're going to do things that are in
[2:42:01] fact going to be
[2:42:05] meet the goals under the federal ranks
[2:42:07] but we'll also be able to make the
[2:42:09] timeline to put them in place and
[2:42:11] some of those outside firms we may have
[2:42:14] to bring in to do
[2:42:16] uh
[2:42:17] again that assessment to make sure that
[2:42:20] uh
[2:42:21] everything
[2:42:22] will move ahead of the smooth and
[2:42:24] straightforward man
[2:42:27] well thank you and i'm sure that we will
[2:42:29] need those resources as i said as we go
[2:42:31] through this uncharted territory so
[2:42:33] thank you so it looks like there's a
[2:42:34] majority of the council who's
[2:42:37] uh ready willing to move forward with
[2:42:39] having this committee
[2:42:40] um the second question that was raised
[2:42:42] by mr um damon mr farley was whether or
[2:42:45] not we should we have an open
[2:42:46] application process and i'll um also ask
[2:42:49] the council to weigh in on that
[2:42:57] mr farley yes
[2:43:00] is patrick no
[2:43:03] mr winterberg
[2:43:05] i'm going to vote
[2:43:07] i just mentioned that you know we got to
[2:43:08] get referred to the staff who did all
[2:43:10] this process and get it to us where
[2:43:12] yesterday
[2:43:13] the process is going to reopen back when
[2:43:15] we receive our second
[2:43:17] set of funding
[2:43:18] so i encourage and i will do my part to
[2:43:21] make sure you reach out to who didn't
[2:43:22] submit so please submit
[2:43:24] and get your application on time and we
[2:43:26] can you know consider those applications
[2:43:28] in the next rounds
[2:43:35] it's tutorial no
[2:43:37] mister palomini
[2:43:40] this profile
[2:43:41] so um i you know as we discussed this i
[2:43:44] have to first to um you know for the
[2:43:46] people who put their application in and
[2:43:48] get it on time you know i think we
[2:43:50] definitely have to respect that and even
[2:43:52] if this request had come several weeks
[2:43:54] ago before we really closed the portal
[2:43:55] then i could i could support it but i
[2:43:58] just think uh to for people who did
[2:44:00] their due diligence got it in
[2:44:02] and did what they're supposed to do to
[2:44:03] open it puts them in a disadvantage and
[2:44:05] i'm going to be frank if i were on the
[2:44:07] receiving end of that i would not be
[2:44:08] happy so
[2:44:10] just have to be 100 and um and i
[2:44:12] understand and so we do we need to do a
[2:44:14] better job of maybe getting the
[2:44:15] information out there whatever it is we
[2:44:17] need to do we need to do that again it's
[2:44:19] a learning process for us so but i um i
[2:44:22] would have to go no i could not support
[2:44:23] reopening the process the staff has
[2:44:25] already done a tremendous amount of work
[2:44:28] and putting the applications together
[2:44:29] and all of that so at this point in time
[2:44:31] i cannot support that um i will however
[2:44:34] say that we um
[2:44:36] we should really look at it considering
[2:44:38] opening our next process earlier so by
[2:44:40] the time the money hits the application
[2:44:42] is already there and reviewed
[2:44:44] and we can move forward on a more
[2:44:45] expeditious manner
[2:44:47] if somebody is aware of
[2:44:50] uh somebody who didn't
[2:44:52] meet the timeline
[2:44:54] i'm more than willing to review it and
[2:44:57] the other thing is that we're debating
[2:44:59] or i shouldn't say debates we're all one
[2:45:01] big happy family
[2:45:03] we're
[2:45:03] discussing
[2:45:05] uh
[2:45:06] the options for this one
[2:45:08] chunk of money
[2:45:10] there are other funding streams that are
[2:45:12] out there as mr motavirin pointed out is
[2:45:15] the uh
[2:45:16] infrastructure money there's other
[2:45:18] things in the state so
[2:45:22] money and so if somebody's aware of
[2:45:25] somebody that didn't meet the timeline
[2:45:27] here that doesn't mean that there
[2:45:30] wouldn't be other scenarios that we
[2:45:32] might be able to point into
[2:45:35] to
[2:45:36] again
[2:45:38] have a worthwhile concept project or
[2:45:40] idea
[2:45:42] flushed out and
[2:45:44] developed in a more
[2:45:46] robust manner
[2:45:49] so it looks like you know there's not
[2:45:51] enough support to open the process but
[2:45:53] there are other opportunities to do
[2:45:54] other things
[2:45:58] all right so we will um
[2:46:00] move forward um on you know sending out
[2:46:03] information to uh i'm sorry mr coleman
[2:46:05] sorry i just want to um
[2:46:07] i know there was a strong a strong vote
[2:46:09] on the advisory committee
[2:46:11] um but there wasn't a if there's a
[2:46:14] request or resolute for a resolution
[2:46:15] here uh there wasn't a motion for one
[2:46:18] okay in a second
[2:46:21] so
[2:46:21] let's do that let's uh maybe so i'll
[2:46:24] need a motion to uh
[2:46:26] if you're going to establish a an
[2:46:28] advisory i would recommend that that's
[2:46:30] the process that you do so that's clear
[2:46:33] all right
[2:46:36] so okay
[2:46:59] you know this is to establish an
[2:47:01] advisory committee
[2:47:02] um
[2:47:03] and within that you know obviously
[2:47:06] you know you're not establishing a set
[2:47:08] number
[2:47:09] um you're establishing you know that
[2:47:14] you haven't actually established
[2:47:16] you haven't really
[2:47:18] you're establishing a committee without
[2:47:21] actually saying what that committee is
[2:47:23] going to be made up of
[2:47:25] so i think we just generally say to to
[2:47:27] review the our applications we would you
[2:47:29] know we would have to leave it very open
[2:47:32] and not put in numbers because we don't
[2:47:33] know those numbers yet
[2:47:34] correct we just know we want to uh
[2:47:36] establish a committee
[2:47:39] so i'm a little confused i mean are we
[2:47:41] should we be moving it or not
[2:47:43] this this actually the legislative
[2:47:45] request form
[2:47:47] was that the recommendation would be the
[2:47:49] city council work with some and other
[2:47:51] community groups to identify individuals
[2:47:53] to be part of a team that works with the
[2:47:55] city staff to review the application my
[2:47:57] recommendation is if you're going to
[2:47:58] have these outside groups or individuals
[2:48:01] review applications that were submitted
[2:48:03] to the city for the purpose of providing
[2:48:06] advice to the city council and it's done
[2:48:08] by resolution
[2:48:09] because this information is something
[2:48:11] that
[2:48:13] given what could be in the applications
[2:48:14] in terms of identifying information and
[2:48:17] so forth
[2:48:18] i would suggest that it's set up
[2:48:20] through resolution and not ad hoc
[2:48:26] so
[2:48:34] anyone opposed
[2:48:36] okay
[2:48:38] thank you so we will um get those emails
[2:48:41] out and we'll get that resolution done
[2:48:43] and get the emails out and work towards
[2:48:44] uh developing that committee
[2:48:47] so thank you for that very robust
[2:48:48] discussion
[2:48:50] and hopefully mr truman you'll reach out
[2:48:52] to the mayor and to the department of
[2:48:53] development to see what other
[2:48:54] opportunities there are
[2:48:56] to to get funding
[2:49:00] all right uh the final remaining items
[2:49:02] are all on property sales and will
[2:49:04] therefore be an executive session
[2:49:07] so members of the public will
[2:49:10] make a motion to go to
[2:49:14] all those in favor all right
[2:49:15] thank you we're here
[2:49:26] hmm