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[13:26] i'd like to call to order the
[13:28] schenectady city council committee
[13:30] meeting for monday june 6 2022.
[13:34] uh
[13:34] the first item on the agenda will be a
[13:36] presentation by the office of cannabis
[13:38] management um as you all know we next we
[13:42] decided to opt in and so it's something
[13:43] that's going to be happening part of
[13:45] that is that there will be something
[13:47] called conditional adult use dispensary
[13:48] license opportunities that'll be first
[13:51] and before regular licenses are um
[13:54] given out and so tonight we have with us
[13:56] neveleen white from the community
[13:58] relations for external affairs and phil
[14:00] rumsey who is the manager of inter
[14:02] governmental outreach so if you'd like
[14:04] to come up
[14:06] okay
[14:09] hi how are you i have some um
[14:11] materials and some information
[14:13] my name is neville white i am the
[14:15] manager of community affairs we will be
[14:17] conducting a
[14:19] grant and presentation on tomorrow on
[14:21] wednesday wednesday at schenectady public library that
[14:27] presentation is geared towards um
[14:29] individuals who may be eligible for what
[14:31] we're called calling the conditional
[14:33] license um phil will be doing a
[14:35] presentation right now just a really ten
[14:37] minute presentation um giving you an
[14:39] overview of what that presentation will
[14:41] um look like but it's we're really
[14:43] excited to get connected to the
[14:45] community so people can get ready um and
[14:48] get their documents in order for the
[14:50] economic opportunities that will um will
[14:53] be opening up very shortly we are
[14:55] looking to open up the first
[14:56] dispensaries december of 2022 so by the
[15:00] end of this year we should have
[15:01] dispensaries open up in new york state
[15:03] so um we're looking forward to really
[15:05] excited about this and this is a
[15:07] continuous conversation we plan to be in
[15:08] schenectady county continuously as more
[15:11] and more information gets out so that we
[15:13] can stay connected to the community
[15:21] yep right here okay perfect
[15:23] um so yeah my name is philip rumsey i'm
[15:26] the
[15:27] manager of intergovernmental outreach
[15:29] for the office of cannabis management
[15:31] and um
[15:33] i wanted to give a
[15:35] um a brief overview of what some of you
[15:38] might be hearing if you attend the
[15:41] community outreach event
[15:43] as neverland said this wednesday
[15:46] um so i'll kind of start at the
[15:47] beginning and
[15:49] kind of walk you through
[15:52] how we how ocm has gone up to this point
[15:55] and where we might be headed moving
[15:57] forward
[15:58] um march 31st of last year
[16:01] the
[16:02] marijuana regulation and taxation act
[16:04] was passed
[16:06] i'll be referring to that as murder
[16:08] moving forward
[16:10] um
[16:10] myrta outlined the basic structure of
[16:13] the cannabis industry in new york
[16:17] um
[16:18] excuse me um
[16:21] so it laid the foundation for um what
[16:25] we'll be dealing with moving forward
[16:26] first and foremost it brought over the
[16:29] um
[16:31] cannabinoid hemp
[16:34] aspect of the industry it brought
[16:36] medical cannabis and recreational
[16:37] cannabis under one roof the office of
[16:39] cannabis management
[16:41] we also have a board it's a five-member
[16:43] board i'm headed by uh chair tremen
[16:46] wright
[16:48] since um since the passage we've been um
[16:52] very busy on many different fronts
[16:55] um first and foremost we are writing the
[16:57] regulations for murder there are nine
[17:00] licenses in murder
[17:03] the two you're probably most familiar
[17:05] with are the um
[17:07] dispensary license and the on-site
[17:10] consumption license those are the two of
[17:13] the nine licenses that communities could
[17:14] opt out of
[17:17] uh there is a um
[17:19] taxation rate um there's it comes in
[17:22] three different
[17:23] uh phases the first is the uh thc
[17:27] uh tax
[17:29] and we're focusing on the thc tax
[17:32] as opposed to a weight tax which you see
[17:34] in other states
[17:36] so for example there's a three percent
[17:38] tax on edibles there's a five percent on
[17:41] the flower or the bud and there's an
[17:44] eight percent tax on concentrates and
[17:46] that's the fate pens or the um
[17:49] other forms of concentration and that's
[17:51] to push individuals towards a lower um
[17:54] thc amount
[17:57] furthermore there's a
[17:59] nine percent
[18:00] um state excise tax that kicks in at the
[18:04] retail level so at the dispensaries um
[18:07] there'll be a nine percent retail excise
[18:10] tax
[18:10] and the one that you might be more
[18:12] interested in here is the four percent
[18:15] excise tax
[18:17] communities that have dispensaries
[18:19] within them
[18:20] will have the access to the four percent
[18:23] excise tax three percent of that will
[18:26] stay with the community where the
[18:27] dispensary is housed one percent will go
[18:30] to the county
[18:34] once the tax is collected it's going
[18:36] into what's called the new york state
[18:39] cannabis revenue fund
[18:41] and from that fund it's going to be
[18:42] distributed in different ways
[18:45] 40 of that will be going towards
[18:48] education
[18:50] another
[18:51] 20
[18:52] will be going towards
[18:54] um uh
[18:56] drug uh therapy and
[18:58] drug rehabilitation part of our health
[19:01] outreach campaign
[19:03] uh 40 will be distributed to
[19:07] community organizations in communities
[19:09] that were disproportionately impacted by
[19:12] the war on drugs so that's how the tax
[19:14] revenue will be distributed when it's
[19:16] collected
[19:20] um
[19:20] if anyone does have any questions uh
[19:23] feel free to jump in if um there is
[19:26] anything you want to ask i will be
[19:27] taking some at the end as well
[19:30] i have a question
[19:33] only the council can ask questions oh
[19:35] okay um
[19:38] the nine license types again the the two
[19:41] i discussed earlier were the
[19:43] dispensaries and the on-site
[19:44] consumptions
[19:46] the other one is a micro business that's
[19:48] a fully integrated one
[19:50] there's a nursery license a
[19:51] manufacturing license a delivery license
[19:54] the reason we have these nine licenses
[19:56] or one of the reasons is it creates
[19:58] multiple entry points into the cannabis
[20:01] industry
[20:03] we know from experience and looking at
[20:06] other states
[20:07] that individuals with large amounts of
[20:09] money or
[20:11] corporations with large amounts of money
[20:13] they can come in and instantly take
[20:15] what's called the seed to sale
[20:17] which is everything from putting the
[20:20] seed into the ground all the way to
[20:22] selling it and they can very quickly um
[20:26] gobble up the industry so what we're
[20:28] doing is creating these license type
[20:30] which again creates these entry points
[20:32] and
[20:33] an individual we do need to wait for the
[20:36] regulations to come out however an
[20:38] individual wouldn't be able to receive
[20:40] all nine licenses or multiple licenses
[20:43] you're captive what you're able to get
[20:45] so that opens up an opportunity for more
[20:47] individuals to come into the industry
[20:51] what you
[20:53] will be hearing on wednesday about card
[20:56] the conditional adult use dispensary
[20:59] that's really a
[21:01] second road or second path so we
[21:04] currently have two paths the murder
[21:06] licenses the nine license that i
[21:08] discussed
[21:10] that came from the legislation the
[21:12] second path are these conditional
[21:15] licenses
[21:16] that includes the conditional
[21:18] cultivation licenses the growing
[21:21] and then the conditional retail
[21:23] dispensary licenses
[21:27] we have been giving out the board of the
[21:29] cannabis control board has been issuing
[21:31] the conditional cultivation licenses
[21:34] over the past month and a half
[21:36] and we just finished the public comment
[21:40] period for the conditional retail
[21:42] dispensary licenses
[21:44] and i do want to emphasize again the
[21:46] difference here the murder 9 licenses
[21:49] although there's similarities with a
[21:51] growing and retail are separate from
[21:54] this conditional these conditional
[21:57] retail dispensaries are going to have a
[21:59] maximum 200 individuals who can apply
[22:02] and receive them
[22:04] and the individuals who could grow or
[22:08] were also there was a different criteria
[22:10] than what you'll find in the murder
[22:12] licenses
[22:13] murda the legislation
[22:16] did
[22:18] set a goal of awarding 50
[22:20] of the licenses to social equity
[22:22] candidates
[22:24] and the conditional ones do have a
[22:27] social equity
[22:28] element to them but again they're
[22:30] separate two different lanes to get
[22:32] these licenses
[22:34] as i said we did just finish the public
[22:37] comment period for the conditional
[22:39] retail
[22:40] dispensaries
[22:41] and
[22:42] right now our lawyers are going through
[22:44] those comments to saying what needs to
[22:45] be incorporated and responding as we do
[22:49] with all legislation
[22:52] and i want to emphasize again there's
[22:53] 200 with a conditional where uh 200
[22:57] possible um
[22:59] retail dispensaries for the
[23:01] conditional retail
[23:03] and there's could be three to four
[23:05] thousand in the murder licenses so again
[23:07] these are these are two separate paths
[23:09] to two different
[23:11] entities that you would be dealing with
[23:12] if you wanted them
[23:17] for the most part i think that
[23:20] sums up where we're at with a lot of
[23:23] moving pieces here i will say that we
[23:27] will need a little grace with answering
[23:29] questions
[23:31] unlike almost any other new york state
[23:33] bureaucracy or agency we don't have the
[23:36] regulations governing our industry so
[23:39] for the murder licenses we
[23:42] are still in the process of writing
[23:43] those and getting those out in the
[23:46] coming months
[23:47] and with the conditional licenses
[23:50] we have
[23:51] the
[23:54] cultivation licenses already being given
[23:56] out and again we just ended the public
[23:58] comment period for the
[24:01] retail dispensaries the conditional
[24:03] retail dispensaries so
[24:05] we we don't have everything finalized so
[24:08] there will be some questions that i
[24:09] would um
[24:11] would be problematic for me to to answer
[24:13] just because we're not that far along
[24:16] with a lot of the detail
[24:18] um
[24:20] i think for the most part that's you
[24:21] know the summary i i kind of wanted to
[24:23] give and um
[24:26] if there are questions i would certainly
[24:28] like to dive into those and
[24:30] see what uh
[24:32] what i can help clarify before
[24:33] wednesday's meeting
[24:35] i just wanted to add that the um the
[24:38] condition um the car there's two
[24:39] criterias and you have to have um have a
[24:42] marijuana configuration or a family
[24:44] member family member is defined as
[24:47] mother father
[24:48] uh child guardian people believe garden
[24:51] or spouse at this present time you know
[24:53] again the um the proposed regulations
[24:56] are not finalized as a gift and you have
[24:59] to um have had a business for two years
[25:01] it could be a
[25:02] current business it could be a
[25:03] pass-through business with a net um
[25:06] net profit so i wanted to be clear that
[25:08] there's two um criteria that these 200
[25:11] people have to meet in order to get uh
[25:13] this the dispensary and it's a turnkey
[25:15] dispensary there's money set aside to
[25:17] help folks um so basically they're
[25:19] giving you a business um already you set
[25:22] up location everything and you are to
[25:25] run the business with um loans of course
[25:28] that you do have to pay back for zero percent but again these are all
[25:30] proposed to change once we get the
[25:33] comment period and people um you know
[25:35] real disagree and maybe we might have to
[25:37] make some changes so they're not really
[25:38] sure of that just want to add that so
[25:40] yeah just a question about that so um
[25:42] there's two criteria can people like a
[25:45] partner can there be a partnership form
[25:47] a partnership where one has the
[25:48] conviction perhaps the other one has had
[25:50] the business are people able to do those
[25:52] kind of partnerships
[25:53] in order to make that happen
[25:56] you can um yeah you can do that however
[25:58] the person with the conviction had
[26:00] passed with the business has to be 51
[26:02] so you can do some partnerships however
[26:05] the person has to have 51 percent
[26:07] majority owned on the business
[26:09] thank you and just to emphasize that one
[26:12] point is that
[26:13] the criteria for the conditional are
[26:16] very different than the criteria for the
[26:17] murder the um
[26:20] the nine myrtle licenses so
[26:23] again i just want to keep emphasizing
[26:24] that i know there's some confusion out
[26:26] there but um
[26:27] to neverland's point they're those two
[26:29] criteria you know is not found in murder
[26:33] um the murder licenses they're found in
[26:35] the conditional licenses
[26:39] but the conditional licenses you've
[26:41] already closed the public comment period
[26:43] right so there really is no
[26:46] ability to have additional public
[26:48] comment on
[26:50] that
[26:51] those two criteria right that is correct
[26:53] however we've just received it closed
[26:55] may 31st so the attorneys have not
[26:58] incorporated any of those possible
[27:00] changes yet so we really can't speak on
[27:02] it we just give me what's proposed but
[27:04] we really can't speak on it once they do
[27:06] that then we'll come out with the
[27:07] finalized regulations and then that
[27:09] would be the guidelines so may 31st was
[27:11] the ending period but we are still
[27:13] supposed to still get ready get set you
[27:15] still need to get your conviction paid
[27:17] there's certain things that you still
[27:18] can't be doing right now to position
[27:20] yourself so that you're ready when the
[27:22] applications come out when you don't
[27:23] mean there's certain things that you
[27:24] have to show id you have to show um
[27:28] proof of where you live so those kind of
[27:29] things that you take time sometimes when
[27:31] you're going to places to get
[27:33] information so we want people to just
[27:34] get ready get set and again it's an
[27:36] opportunity for us to establish the
[27:38] relationship because that's really
[27:39] important the office of cannabis
[27:41] management wants to adapt to a
[27:42] relationship with the community so that
[27:44] you know we could they have clear um
[27:46] information right because we see a lot
[27:48] of misinformation coming up so we want
[27:50] to make sure that people have great and
[27:51] clear information
[27:54] any other questions from council members
[27:56] mr palmany i have a couple questions
[27:59] what's the 20
[28:00] for education to be useful
[28:03] um
[28:04] that is a 40 breakdown
[28:07] from the campus rather than going
[28:08] towards education that's going to be um
[28:12] in addition to
[28:14] the regular state funding going towards
[28:17] um schools
[28:18] as far as are you asking like the
[28:20] specific what what it would be used for
[28:23] or no i was just curious what that
[28:25] education component is if it's for
[28:27] schools if it's for
[28:29] it is for public service announcements
[28:32] what's it used for um for schools but we
[28:34] again i think waiting for the
[28:36] regulations to maybe um iron that out a
[28:38] bit more
[28:40] would be
[28:41] good in murder it does say that it's
[28:44] going towards um
[28:45] education funding it's similar to the
[28:48] new york state lottery system where some
[28:50] of those funds are also put into school
[28:53] funding as well
[28:54] but again it is in addition to the
[28:57] regular state funding okay and the
[28:59] second question is is there going to be
[29:02] money
[29:03] available to communities for from what
[29:06] you receive
[29:07] for
[29:09] training in law enforcement for driving
[29:11] under the influence because that
[29:12] training is very specific it's very
[29:14] expensive and that's going to be a
[29:16] problem yeah and i
[29:19] you know i think most people realize
[29:21] unlike with alcohol with a breathalyzer
[29:23] you know you blow into it there's
[29:26] nothing equivalent to that when it comes
[29:28] to cannabis you can't blow into
[29:30] something and realize if someone um is
[29:33] under the influence
[29:35] um so we do have
[29:37] drug recognition expert training and
[29:40] that will be made available towards
[29:44] local law enforcement and
[29:46] state law enforcement as well
[29:49] and we do want to help assist localities
[29:52] in getting that training done
[29:55] um
[29:56] so so some of that will be available
[29:59] um
[30:01] again it's
[30:02] you know i've been asked many times if
[30:04] we're moving too quickly because we
[30:06] don't have the equivalent of a
[30:07] breathalyzer and we do have steps and
[30:09] are working with law enforcement to make
[30:11] sure they can properly test and identify
[30:13] individuals who may be under the
[30:14] influence of cannabis but that's what we
[30:17] have there is a mandate in murder that
[30:20] asks the office of cannabis management
[30:22] to be on the lookout for new technology
[30:24] that may allow individuals to detect
[30:27] cannabis
[30:29] or someone being under the influence so
[30:31] it is an ongoing
[30:34] technology that that we're looking for
[30:36] but currently it does not exist so the
[30:38] drug recognition experts or the dres
[30:41] um are um is really the front line of
[30:44] detecting individuals who may be under
[30:45] the influence and driving and it is a
[30:48] similar test to what you've you know
[30:51] seen um
[30:52] with individuals being tested for
[30:54] alcohol whether it's walking or counting
[30:57] and kind of touching your nose things
[30:58] like that so
[30:59] um there is training and funding will be
[31:02] available to local law enforcement for
[31:04] that and lastly how much this money is
[31:07] going to be put towards
[31:09] health care since
[31:11] we know there's going to be
[31:13] significant increases in respiratory
[31:15] disease and other things that that
[31:17] result from this we do have a robust
[31:21] health outreach campaign you may have
[31:23] seen some of our signs wrap around on
[31:25] some buses around here or on billboards
[31:29] we are reaching out to you know make
[31:32] sure individuals understand the um
[31:35] health risks associated with this what
[31:37] steps to take
[31:39] we have quite a bit of information on
[31:40] our website as well
[31:42] including you know making sure
[31:43] individuals are
[31:45] locking up these products when um
[31:48] so their kids don't have access to them
[31:50] and
[31:51] the the health outreach campaign started
[31:54] i think a month ago or so i want to say
[31:56] and we are trying to get the word out of
[32:01] the precautions that people need to take
[32:03] when dealing with this
[32:05] and a lot of research as well a lot of
[32:07] research in terms of public health
[32:08] outcomes it's a we have a robust public
[32:11] health
[32:13] component to this
[32:14] to get a better understanding of what
[32:17] the outcomes would be
[32:18] we don't really know so there's a lot of
[32:20] research money being put into research
[32:21] for that as well
[32:24] other questions
[32:26] mr wings uh so first i'd like to say
[32:29] thank you for being president and i
[32:30] really appreciate having this
[32:31] information and i'm uh
[32:33] definitely looking forward to the social
[32:34] equity component and how that's going to
[32:36] benefit
[32:37] communities that have been
[32:38] disproportionately affected by this
[32:41] i wanted to expand on your one comment
[32:42] about the research that's been going
[32:44] into the development of murda definitely
[32:47] to council member paul means point we
[32:50] want to make sure this is rolled out
[32:51] appropriately so can you expand on some
[32:54] of those considerations to research that
[32:56] are being
[32:57] taken to their account
[32:59] to make sure that whatever product is
[33:01] finalized accurately reflects the
[33:03] governor's intent with this program
[33:05] so
[33:06] when i spoke about research sorry when i
[33:08] spoke about research i was talking about
[33:10] publics i don't think i understand your
[33:11] question but i was talking about public
[33:13] health so about um you know marijuana
[33:15] and breastfeeding marijuana and
[33:17] respiratory problems i was speaking
[33:18] about this research we're looking
[33:20] closely in terms of public health
[33:22] outcomes um so i'm not really sure if um
[33:26] if that is what you're asking or you're
[33:27] asking a different question so as the
[33:29] regulations and taxation act is being
[33:31] finalized are you looking at how this is
[33:34] functioned in other states or under
[33:36] other countries or and then kind of
[33:38] pinpointing the equity component
[33:40] what other
[33:42] elements have been considered to make
[33:43] sure this like intently reflects the
[33:46] aims well new york state is right now is
[33:49] really the leader when it comes to
[33:50] social equity a lot of other states have
[33:52] um fumbled um you know we're gonna we're
[33:55] trying to do this right um we're trying
[33:57] to make sure that we're impacted people
[33:59] who are we work that we're we're
[34:02] bringing in people who are impacted on
[34:04] war drugs we're trying to pull back
[34:06] these businesses we're doing a great job
[34:07] i believe of holding back big businesses
[34:10] because we're not allowing them to come
[34:11] in we're allowing um people who
[34:14] again who don't have a lot of money i
[34:16] think that um the application fee is two thousand
[34:19] dollars proposed two thousand dollars in
[34:21] new york state and other states two
[34:23] hundred fifty thousand i mean a lot of
[34:25] money so i think that in itself is
[34:27] showing how new york state is trying to
[34:28] do it different um we have got a lot of
[34:31] criticism about the um criteria of
[34:33] having a business but again that's
[34:35] proposed we don't know if that will
[34:37] change if it doesn't change um the
[34:39] thinking behind that is that you know
[34:40] you're giving someone um
[34:42] a million dollar business and so you
[34:44] want to make sure that you have a person
[34:46] who has the business aptitude we know
[34:48] that owning a business is not easy so we
[34:50] want to make sure and these folks are um
[34:53] really the industry's on their back it's
[34:55] very important that these individuals
[34:57] are successful right because they're
[34:59] gonna they're gonna fund the industry um
[35:02] we are you know we look definitely
[35:04] looking at other states and see what
[35:05] they did what they may have done wrong
[35:07] so that we could do some you know to
[35:08] make sure we do it differently um i
[35:10] think the micro um the nine licenses but
[35:12] the micro business license is really important because it allows but
[35:16] not allowing any company to come in and
[35:18] own it all right we're not allowing that
[35:20] you only go on one license you might do
[35:21] the micro business but it's on a smaller
[35:23] much much smaller scale um anything else
[35:27] um
[35:28] murder does mandate that we work with
[35:30] other states and reach out to them so we
[35:32] have done outreach to other states and
[35:35] we've certainly been reading um
[35:37] what other states have gone through and
[35:40] where they had to recalibrate
[35:42] different aspects uh specifically and to
[35:45] nevaline's point
[35:47] with the conditional licensing system
[35:50] with the cultivators and the
[35:52] dispensaries we have the potential to
[35:54] leapfrog virtually every state in the
[35:57] country
[35:58] when it comes to
[36:00] providing assistance and actual
[36:02] businesses to social equity candidates
[36:04] one thing we've seen in illinois and
[36:06] specifically in chicago
[36:08] was
[36:10] virtually every dispensary right now is
[36:12] owned by what we call a multi-state
[36:14] operator or mso and those are very large
[36:18] corporations they're in virtually every
[36:20] state that has legalized either
[36:22] recreational or medical
[36:24] cannabis and
[36:26] they're able to again when the licenses
[36:29] come up they have the resources the
[36:31] lawyers the money to
[36:33] grab onto those license very efficiently
[36:35] as other people are attempting to figure
[36:37] that out so with the conditional system
[36:39] we have the potential of having more
[36:41] social equity candidates owning a
[36:43] dispensary than other states who've been
[36:46] doing this for years um so that's just
[36:48] one element of what we're trying to do
[36:50] and again to your point for the roll out
[36:53] myrta does um ask for 50
[36:56] of the licenses to be given to social
[36:58] equity candidates
[37:00] and um so that's that's an automatic
[37:03] built-in goal so so both of these
[37:05] systems that we have
[37:07] i think are very geared towards social
[37:10] equity candidates again you know working
[37:12] with other states we can see a lot of
[37:14] the problems other states have had their
[37:16] social equity programs are
[37:19] built from the tax
[37:20] revenue um and in order to get that tax
[37:23] revenue they need dispensaries up and
[37:25] running in order to get the dispensaries
[37:27] up and running they go to the
[37:28] multi-state operators the gigantic
[37:30] companies to start funding the money
[37:32] they will use for social equity
[37:33] candidates we're doing this in reverse
[37:35] we're using the conditional licensing
[37:37] system
[37:38] to start to feed money into the
[37:42] new york state revenue fund and using
[37:45] that fund to help with murder licenses
[37:48] and we have the 200 million dollars set
[37:50] aside um that governor hope will put in
[37:53] her budget
[37:54] um to help the conditional applicants
[37:58] so i i think in a lot of ways you're
[38:00] going to see us leapfrog other states
[38:02] who have been doing this for years and
[38:04] are nowhere near the social equity
[38:06] numbers that we hope to have
[38:08] by the end of the year
[38:10] um so i
[38:12] um yeah i think we're doing we have a
[38:14] phenomenal plan which is built on the
[38:18] issues we've seen in other states
[38:23] thank you oh mr mayor and president i
[38:26] don't think he gave the time
[38:28] oh i was going to do that for the forum
[38:29] yeah
[38:35] so i think she did actually say it
[38:36] though but um this coming wednesday for
[38:38] the for audience members uh that will be
[38:40] your opportunity to ask questions at
[38:42] schenectady county public library right
[38:44] here at 99 clinton from six starting at
[38:46] 6 00 pm 6 pm on time shots
[38:50] sharp 6 pm sharp and then you'll have
[38:52] your opportunity to um ask any questions
[38:55] can you give them a website where um
[38:58] if can they go just to cannabis.ny.gov
[39:01] so if you have any uh if you want to do
[39:02] some research before the meeting on
[39:04] wednesday you can go to
[39:05] cannabis.ny.gov and it'll give you any
[39:08] updates at that time
[39:10] i will say if you end up going to our
[39:12] website under adult use tab you're going
[39:14] to find a lot of faqs
[39:17] and
[39:18] it will help leapfrog you with a lot of
[39:21] information you're going to jump ahead
[39:23] of a lot of individuals we have faqs on
[39:25] a lot of different topics subjects it
[39:27] breaks it down very very well so
[39:30] if you are interested in getting a
[39:31] little bit more information
[39:33] the faqs are very useful
[39:37] so thank you for coming this way mr
[39:39] ramsey we'll see you on wednesday
[39:54] thank you
[39:57] i would like to call government
[39:58] operations together first item is
[40:00] special assessment district board
[40:02] appointments mr mayor
[40:06] chairman you've uh submitted
[40:09] six names your consideration it's been
[40:12] the process
[40:13] through the recommendation
[40:15] uh
[40:16] dan can you move that down again process
[40:19] has been developed by dsic in terms of
[40:21] recruiting
[40:22] individuals with the experience skill
[40:24] set
[40:25] and vision to keep the
[40:27] organization in downtown moving forward
[40:30] that's your favorable consideration for
[40:32] those names any questions
[40:35] i don't have a question
[40:37] there's a board member who's leaving who
[40:38] i wanted to speak tonight um
[40:43] i'm fine with that
[40:49] please
[40:57] thank you very much uh
[40:59] city council members mr mayor thank you have been submitted some bios for
[41:05] the four candidates that we hope you
[41:07] approve we have a board of nine
[41:09] therefore coming on we have chris
[41:11] berrigan who's coming off who's been a
[41:13] long time board member and we have
[41:15] richard antipal coming off who's been a
[41:17] long time board member what i just
[41:19] wanted to do is just take one moment and
[41:22] breathe a little life into the four that
[41:24] we're proposing if you don't know them
[41:26] already personally we have two with us
[41:30] um andrea cordeloo
[41:33] she has
[41:34] crazy amounts of energy and an ability
[41:37] to rally troops
[41:38] during a luminosity this year
[41:41] she had no problems with going into
[41:43] businesses
[41:44] and getting them motivated to
[41:45] participate in
[41:47] something that never existed before with
[41:49] a very short amount of time to do it
[41:51] so we want that sense of more community
[41:54] downtown from business owners and the
[41:57] apartment dwellers
[41:59] andrea being with highbridge development
[42:02] has the access to this and she certainly
[42:05] has the energy enthusiasm and
[42:07] personality so we would like her
[42:09] consideration we also have phil wide up
[42:12] who is here with us he's been at union
[42:15] college for more than 15 years we're
[42:17] blessed to have two
[42:19] major schools downtown within the dsic
[42:23] footprint no less
[42:25] we want those young people
[42:27] to become a bigger part of our community
[42:30] and we want them here not only to learn
[42:32] and leave but to stay and so in order to
[42:35] do that we need to find more ways to
[42:37] engage them through volunteering
[42:39] internships and find out what what do
[42:41] they want what do they want in their
[42:43] city to
[42:44] help stay so
[42:45] phil we're hoping you can help us with
[42:47] that
[42:48] who is not here this evening is paul
[42:51] ambrose with paul he really walks the
[42:53] walk paul's building is down on broadway
[42:57] and he really gets it he gets
[42:59] the uh importance of continual upkeep
[43:02] and beautification of the business
[43:04] owner's property he's well traveled and
[43:07] he has an appreciation and he's very
[43:09] observant of what other cities are doing
[43:12] with
[43:13] urban beautification and also place
[43:15] making he's passionate he wants it
[43:17] downtown here and he wants to be a part
[43:19] of it and the dsic wants to be a big
[43:22] part of it as well
[43:23] and then we have mitchell ramsey who is
[43:26] there oh
[43:28] hi mitch how are you snuck in there okay
[43:31] so so mitch is really in tune with the
[43:34] younger demographic of the city um
[43:37] i was recently told that the j street
[43:40] pub is now to the younger generation
[43:43] what the manhattan exchange was to the
[43:46] older people in town and she looked at
[43:48] me right in the eye when she said
[43:52] so mitch wants to bring new and creative
[43:55] entertainment downtown that focuses more
[43:58] on music not just bars not just
[44:01] restaurants
[44:02] he gets it we need more diverse
[44:04] activities and interests uh he also has
[44:08] a pet peeve for graffiti and oh we're
[44:10] gonna go there mitch
[44:12] so um those are the four that we were
[44:15] hoping you would prove to come on board
[44:18] but due respect to our retiring uh
[44:22] richard and paul he just wanted to take
[44:24] a moment and address the council if you
[44:26] would please
[44:28] um i'm here in support of the candidates
[44:31] for sure
[44:32] but what i'm also here about is to say
[44:35] thank you i i've been on board
[44:37] i think something over 21 years
[44:40] and
[44:41] there comes a time that enough is enough
[44:43] and one should step aside and i'm at
[44:45] that point
[44:46] and i
[44:48] said to the board you really need to
[44:51] move on to a new group of people because
[44:54] the people of my generation i think i'm
[44:56] the last of them
[44:58] on our board
[44:59] in any event it's time to step away and
[45:01] i really wanted to thank you and the
[45:04] mayor and the mayor before that
[45:06] um the support we've had from
[45:09] this council
[45:11] many of you are rather new here
[45:14] but
[45:15] the council itself is an entity has been
[45:18] extremely supportive of the dsic for
[45:21] many many years
[45:22] uh we've played i think a very important
[45:25] function in
[45:26] i mean i've had a building down from 19
[45:30] i don't remember 1970 something
[45:32] uh until i retired and sold it not long
[45:35] ago
[45:37] and the change that has come about
[45:39] is just so dramatic
[45:42] and the dsic and there are other
[45:44] agencies certainly metroplex in the city
[45:46] in the county
[45:48] and and there are other agencies who've
[45:50] done a great deal
[45:52] but uh
[45:53] the dsic has been an integral player and
[45:56] i'm very grateful for your support all
[45:58] this time so thank you very much
[46:01] thank you thank you for your service
[46:02] thank you thank you any comments
[46:05] just mr chen there's four new names but
[46:07] there's actually six
[46:09] whose terms are
[46:12] six terms are up four new names and two
[46:15] bulldogs
[46:19] i just want to say that i had the
[46:21] pleasure of serving on the board of dsic
[46:24] until i was elected to city council and
[46:26] needed to retire from the dsic and so i
[46:29] served with both richard and chris for
[46:31] several years and i just wanted to thank
[46:34] you guys i mean so much progress was
[46:36] made
[46:37] has been made is being made all the time
[46:40] by the dsic and certainly i know
[46:42] the work and the effort that both of you
[46:45] brought to the table
[46:46] at the board meetings every month
[46:49] and i just wanted to thank you for all
[46:50] that service over all those years
[46:52] that's it one more thing
[46:54] this
[46:58] and most of you know him
[47:00] but as a retiring board member
[47:03] i leave us
[47:04] leave you with a comment
[47:06] um
[47:08] unless it's the times square corporation
[47:10] which is the business improvement
[47:12] district in manhattan at times square
[47:16] unless it's the times square corporation
[47:18] calling for him
[47:20] you would be very foolish to let this
[47:22] man
[47:24] [Music]
[47:36] thank you for your service mr ann
[47:38] collins mr farrigan thank you
[47:40] we have a motion to move these
[47:41] appointments
[47:44] government
[47:46] oh i'm sorry i was working until my
[47:47] operations yeah i was looking at it i'll
[47:49] move it
[47:50] second all in favor aye aye thank you
[47:54] the next item is planning commission
[47:56] appointments yes
[47:59] as we go down through the uh the rewards
[48:02] these vacancies or uh
[48:15] any comments
[48:18] second all in favor all right all right
[48:20] we have a motion to adjourn
[48:22] second all in favor aye aye aye
[48:27] cult order finance committee the first
[48:30] item is a 2022 budget amendment by
[48:33] department chief
[48:46] moreno good evening everyone
[48:52] all right so we're here tonight uh to
[48:53] make a proposal
[48:55] um
[48:57] when chief senator left an appointment
[48:59] was made for chief
[49:00] i was the assistant chief i moved up to
[49:04] typically normally what would happen we
[49:06] would have a list for assistance
[49:08] potential citizenship candidates
[49:10] and we would do interviews and they
[49:12] would appoint someone to assistant
[49:15] unfortunately
[49:16] we do not have a list right now we
[49:18] currently have requested
[49:20] a uh
[49:21] an exam that's going to be
[49:23] given probably in december
[49:26] and by the time that is
[49:28] graded and certified
[49:31] probably won't be until the beginning of
[49:33] 2023 the first quarter i'll open the
[49:36] 2023.
[49:38] in the meantime all that work still
[49:40] needs to go on so the proposal is to
[49:43] make a
[49:45] another an additional deputy chief that
[49:47] would
[49:48] take up some of those duties that the
[49:50] assistant chief would
[49:52] be handling because
[49:54] that person is not going to be an
[49:55] assistant chief
[49:56] he would be deputy chief
[50:01] in the first quarter when someone is
[50:03] promoted to assistant chief there'd be
[50:06] no need to make the deputy chief because
[50:08] we're prematurely doing that
[50:11] so that's the proposal
[50:12] uh anthony will tell you it's um
[50:14] it's financially it's uh it's uh budget
[50:17] neutral uh what we're doing is taking uh
[50:19] the balance of the
[50:21] assistant fire chief salary and we're
[50:24] creating the new
[50:25] deputy fire chief so nothing will be
[50:27] changing on that
[50:31] any questions
[50:34] just get into my intent to have the five
[50:36] deputy chiefs
[50:38] when we make the appointment for the
[50:39] assistant chief we go back and abolish
[50:41] one of the uh deputy chiefs
[50:44] that's correct
[50:48] second all in favor all right thank you
[50:54] the next item is the amendment to the
[50:55] 2022 2023 action plan allocation
[50:59] an adoption of the 2022 2023 final
[51:02] annual action plan this year
[51:05] good morning everyone um a couple weeks
[51:07] ago we brought the annual action plan
[51:09] for adoption
[51:10] at that time we didn't have the final
[51:12] numbers from hud
[51:14] um
[51:14] just last i believe wednesday or
[51:16] thursday we got the final numbers
[51:19] overall
[51:20] we
[51:21] saw probably about a five thousand
[51:22] dollar decrease
[51:24] um but it affects each pot of money
[51:26] differently so with cdbg we went down
[51:29] about five percent
[51:31] for the home funding we went up a little
[51:32] over 11
[51:34] and for the emergency solutions grant we
[51:37] went down about three percent
[51:39] so the budget that we have here reflects
[51:42] what we put in the public notice we
[51:43] basically decreased the cdbg categories
[51:46] proportionally um that's because we have
[51:49] to stay within our public service cap
[51:51] and administrative cap um so that's what
[51:53] the budget reflects and we're here to
[51:55] just adopt these amendments based on our
[51:58] final allocation um from friends
[52:02] questions
[52:09] definitely
[52:10] as a
[52:11] new councilmember understanding the
[52:13] amount of work that goes into making
[52:14] sure the funds are dispersed
[52:16] appropriately across the city is
[52:17] definitely a tireless uh appreciate what
[52:20] your office is doing one of the
[52:21] questions i had was
[52:23] as these funds are dispersed to their
[52:25] specific
[52:26] organizations or entities is there
[52:29] auditing procedures to ensure that those
[52:32] funds are used appropriately
[52:34] yeah yeah so we have a program monitor
[52:37] that actually works with the
[52:38] organizations each year to monitor the
[52:40] programs
[52:42] we also get monitored by hud who comes
[52:44] in and picks a select number of projects
[52:46] usually each year that's going to be
[52:48] happening in august um so there's a
[52:50] number of different and then there's our
[52:52] internal audit that happens through the
[52:53] finance department
[52:55] um so there's a number of different ways
[52:57] that the funding is you know is is
[53:01] sought over i don't know if you have
[53:03] anything else to add dan
[53:04] but
[53:05] yeah pretty much you know every time
[53:07] anybody sends a payment after we also
[53:09] check in
[53:10] we get verified that they
[53:15] that's the one thing that's difficult
[53:17] about the funds is that they're actually
[53:18] they come with a lot of regulations you
[53:20] know and so they're hard to spend as we
[53:23] kind of see in different scenarios and
[53:25] really we try to do our best to position
[53:27] people and to provide updates to the
[53:29] council when things change um you know
[53:32] some projects are more complex than
[53:33] others some things are programmed some
[53:35] are more construction related so there's
[53:37] a wide variation of the things that we
[53:40] fund and we
[53:48] [Music]
[53:54] thank you
[53:56] the next item is the amendment to the
[53:59] cdbg contract with miracle on price
[54:01] stream with dm
[54:03] so this is um in relation to our
[54:06] contract with miracle craigslist we have
[54:08] ray frazier here tonight um from the
[54:10] organization um just for a little
[54:12] background um for some of our newer
[54:14] members in the 2018-19 action plan we
[54:17] allocated 150 000
[54:20] to the marathon craig street project as
[54:22] the former carver community center
[54:25] and the organization has a use agreement
[54:27] with the city that was executed and also
[54:30] at the end of 2019 for the parcels here
[54:33] um so far a lot of work has happened
[54:36] it's been a slower process due to
[54:38] probing and other you know delays with
[54:40] things
[54:41] but the electricity has been hooked up
[54:42] to the property a feasibility study was
[54:45] completed there was asbestos and lead
[54:47] assessments and a lot of other work that
[54:48] i'm sure ray can fill you in on um
[54:53] as we're reevaluating how to continue to
[54:55] move the project forward and some of the
[54:57] difficulties with getting the original
[55:00] scope was around the mechanical
[55:01] electrical plumbing um i think we're at
[55:04] this point we're looking to put some
[55:06] funding towards architectural drawings
[55:08] working with um tap i believe that's
[55:11] official
[55:12] um who's gonna come in and actually do
[55:14] um architectural drawings we can get
[55:16] updated updated class estimates on the
[55:18] project
[55:20] and they have other things that are in
[55:21] their scope that i'll also
[55:23] allow ray to speak on but this is just
[55:26] an approval asking for approval from the
[55:28] city council to extend our period of
[55:30] performance with the contract with mayor
[55:32] cole credit street
[55:33] until july of 2023 and to amend the
[55:36] budget to include um what has been
[55:38] attached um
[55:41] as as the scope of work to complete the
[55:44] use of that funding
[55:46] um so i'll turn it over to ray for
[55:48] anything else you want to add or
[55:50] uh just to kind of catch everyone up to
[55:51] speed um for some of the new faces here
[55:55] um
[55:56] since 2015
[55:58] we've been operating
[56:00] strictly all volunteering and raising
[56:02] funds on our own um funds that we raised
[56:05] were from interfaith church grants um
[56:09] gofundmes
[56:10] um
[56:11] also we got a grant from united way uh
[56:14] which was directed specifically for by
[56:16] poc organizations um and that's how
[56:19] we've been able to fund our operating
[56:21] budget uh and raise funds for our
[56:23] capital budget um so
[56:26] carver does have you know bills that we
[56:27] have to pay every month
[56:29] so those have been being taken care of
[56:32] based off fundraising
[56:34] um i'm sure you guys got the budget so
[56:36] i'm just going to go down the list and
[56:39] if you guys have any clarifying
[56:40] questions feel free to ask
[56:42] i do want to mention that uh two of our
[56:44] board members are president we have uh
[56:45] raishia turner who is our uh governing
[56:48] chair and uh nick who is our board
[56:51] secretary um i just couldn't make it too
[56:54] short notice and we wanted to get on the
[56:55] agenda as best possible so we go down
[56:58] the list we have our
[57:00] tap budget
[57:02] which consists of
[57:05] preliminary design municipal approvals
[57:07] design development construction
[57:09] documents
[57:11] those documents will get us up to
[57:13] standards to start the actual
[57:15] construction phase
[57:17] um as i said um
[57:19] you know the condition of the building
[57:21] and i encourage you know you guys to
[57:23] come to a walk through just to see
[57:25] um how far we've actually gone or we've
[57:28] come
[57:29] with just volunteer-based um labor it's
[57:32] completely gutting we still have some
[57:34] floors to rip up and some paint scraping
[57:36] which we'll see that
[57:38] we plan to hire seat center um as
[57:40] volunteers for all these years is
[57:42] incredibly overwhelming so we're in a
[57:44] position where we need to you know hire
[57:46] some help some professional help to
[57:49] get us moving
[57:50] um
[57:51] we also have gotten three different
[57:53] estimates for fencing
[57:55] we've had a problem with um
[57:57] parking and we need to close that off so
[57:59] that we can start you know when we start
[58:01] the construction and nothing's in the
[58:02] way and we can protect the property
[58:05] so the budget's there for that this was
[58:07] a pina construction our opinion fenton
[58:09] was the lowest
[58:11] uh
[58:12] bid so we decided to go with them as
[58:14] opposed to the other two
[58:16] uh
[58:18] and then lastly we have
[58:21] consultant work from rosa rivera now
[58:23] consultant is just an umbrella work
[58:25] she's really our in-house project
[58:27] manager
[58:28] and her duties consist of organizing and
[58:30] managing a volunteer professional
[58:32] construction renovation at carver
[58:35] with community stakeholders
[58:37] making purchases for construction
[58:38] renovation supplies
[58:40] we live in home depot
[58:42] support development of capital expenses
[58:44] budget and budget projections support
[58:46] development of construction grants and
[58:48] reporting networking interface with
[58:50] construction project contractors
[58:51] professional services and consultants
[58:54] oversee current capital utilities and
[58:56] systems use on site support community
[58:59] engagement around construction project
[59:01] support leadership development and
[59:03] training of stakeholders and the
[59:04] leadership of construction projects
[59:07] so yeah our main focus right now is
[59:09] construction so any funds that
[59:11] you know we're going to spend is
[59:14] for moving forward with construction
[59:19] and i would just add that you know i
[59:21] think getting the actual construction
[59:23] documents and getting accurate cost
[59:25] estimates is going to put the
[59:26] organization in a better position to
[59:28] you know get the additional funding
[59:30] that's needed to complete the project i
[59:32] think without those things it's really
[59:33] difficult to move forward so
[59:36] i think it's really important that they
[59:37] take this step to
[59:40] get that work completed to move the
[59:41] project forward
[59:46] so do you have a full board at this
[59:48] point in time absolutely yeah so can can
[59:52] this board organization
[59:54] consultant be done in-house by the board
[59:58] rather than paying someone that's a
[1:00:00] great question no one knows this project
[1:00:02] better derozan
[1:00:03] no one um
[1:00:05] and
[1:00:06] it just makes sense for her to be
[1:00:09] the site
[1:00:12] operator or project or operator because
[1:00:15] she knows the ins and outs you know it
[1:00:17] would take a lot for it again
[1:00:20] volunteering for so many years is
[1:00:22] incredibly overwhelming
[1:00:24] and you know it's
[1:00:27] every organization has an insight
[1:00:30] a project manager every single one it's
[1:00:32] kind of unheard of to not have a paid
[1:00:34] employee to take care of these things to
[1:00:36] make sure that things are moving or
[1:00:38] progressing in an appropriate manner
[1:00:41] so we wouldn't feel comfortable with
[1:00:42] anybody else but her because no one
[1:00:44] knows the project best
[1:00:46] or more i should say
[1:00:48] when you're going to hire you're going
[1:00:49] to hire prime contractors you're going
[1:00:50] to hire a design
[1:00:53] company you're going to hire
[1:00:55] contractor they got to have people their
[1:00:57] engineers also to see the projects
[1:00:59] so why spending twenty nine thousand
[1:01:02] dollars for someone to
[1:01:04] tell these professionals what to do
[1:01:07] well it's not really her telling them
[1:01:08] what to do right
[1:01:10] it's her assisting them because she
[1:01:12] knows the project so any questions or
[1:01:14] documents that need to be prepared and
[1:01:16] any trainings that need to happen would
[1:01:18] go through rosa right so again as i said
[1:01:22] right now we don't have any funds to um
[1:01:26] manage
[1:01:27] the project or see the project correct
[1:01:29] right so as i said i invite you please
[1:01:32] come see it yourself to so i can speak
[1:01:34] better to what i'm saying since 2015
[1:01:37] it's been us completely volunteering
[1:01:38] right and we've been able to raise
[1:01:40] funds to
[1:01:42] pay rosa to
[1:01:43] keep us afloat
[1:01:45] without her it's i don't know where
[1:01:46] we've been
[1:01:47] but like i said the building has been
[1:01:50] completely gutted under her leadership
[1:01:54] and we want to keep making headway on
[1:01:56] that
[1:01:58] is this person a board member currently
[1:02:00] board member she's not
[1:02:04] kenny
[1:02:08] i don't think i distributed it as part
[1:02:10] of this but if you want to see that i
[1:02:12] can send it to you
[1:02:16] go ahead please my question actually is
[1:02:18] probably for um for you
[1:02:20] um kristen
[1:02:21] how does this particular position sl um
[1:02:25] the money that this category this is
[1:02:27] coming from does that fit under that
[1:02:29] because i know that there's certain ways
[1:02:31] we can spend money in other ways that we
[1:02:32] cannot so i have some concerns around
[1:02:35] that to make sure it is a public works
[1:02:38] project and we do have an admin cap for
[1:02:41] certain you know things um and dan would
[1:02:44] probably
[1:02:44] he kind of knows the guidance better i
[1:02:47] don't think that it's if it's as long as
[1:02:49] what we've said as long as it's directly
[1:02:51] related to the management of the
[1:02:52] construction
[1:02:54] um it's something that is eligible
[1:02:56] through
[1:02:58] the public works funds um so as long as
[1:03:00] it's that it can't pay for things
[1:03:02] outside of that and we would you know we
[1:03:05] would need the documentation in order to
[1:03:07] pay
[1:03:08] um
[1:03:10] to pay any invoice we need you know the
[1:03:12] things that show
[1:03:20] well i was going to ask you you read
[1:03:21] from
[1:03:22] um you have all the other documentation
[1:03:24] in front of it but we didn't have the
[1:03:26] what you whatever you read in terms of
[1:03:27] what the responsibilities for this
[1:03:29] individual would do i think that's
[1:03:31] important that the um we'll be able to
[1:03:33] have that documentation to review
[1:03:34] absolutely i did provide a contract and
[1:03:37] i sent it over to kristin um and we can
[1:03:40] listen since 2015 we provided everything
[1:03:42] that has been asked of us and we have no
[1:03:44] problem continuing to do that whatever
[1:03:45] appropriate documentation needs to be
[1:03:47] presented we have no problem doing that
[1:03:49] but yeah he did send me the contract i
[1:03:52] didn't know if he wanted me to send a
[1:03:54] contract but because a lot of people
[1:03:55] send us a lot of documents we don't
[1:03:56] necessarily send everybody if that's
[1:03:58] something you want so no i wasn't
[1:04:00] i'm sorry
[1:04:01] i wasn't asking for the contract but i
[1:04:03] was asking for um just a list like the
[1:04:05] duties that you scoped the work that
[1:04:06] you'd be doing not not too necessarily
[1:04:08] your entire contract and then wherever
[1:04:10] it is but just how we have here we know
[1:04:12] all this other stuff that's going to be
[1:04:13] happening so under this particular piece
[1:04:16] absolutely and i was reading from pretty
[1:04:17] much the contract
[1:04:20] it's okay it states all the duty that
[1:04:21] she would be doing just so everything is
[1:04:23] all organized and make sure we can send
[1:04:26] that script along as well yeah
[1:04:28] those are my questions
[1:04:31] go ahead please
[1:04:32] just a clarifying question so i
[1:04:33] understand this if you were to pass out
[1:04:35] a committee tonight
[1:04:37] the cdbg funds that
[1:04:38] are being supposed to be used what
[1:04:40] funding year is that
[1:04:42] what funding year what funding year 2018
[1:04:44] 19 19 from that year okay yes okay thank
[1:04:47] you
[1:04:50] any other questions
[1:04:53] yeah i also have a concern about the
[1:04:56] 29 000 i understand rosa does an
[1:04:59] incredible amount of work
[1:05:01] but multiple times it's been stated that
[1:05:03] it's a construction project manager
[1:05:06] and
[1:05:07] at least to my understanding
[1:05:09] that's not what she does
[1:05:11] uh
[1:05:13] and to mr mutaveron's point it would
[1:05:15] seem to make sense to maybe
[1:05:17] hire
[1:05:18] someone from maybe seat or somebody else
[1:05:20] that could supervise the construction
[1:05:24] management
[1:05:26] you know it would be
[1:05:27] cheaper
[1:05:29] but also
[1:05:30] someone with knowledge of construction
[1:05:33] and that's not
[1:05:35] meant as an insult to miss rivera she's
[1:05:37] quite good at what she does but
[1:05:39] i don't think she's a construction
[1:05:42] person
[1:05:43] yeah i think there is a construction
[1:05:46] management would happen through tap once
[1:05:48] the car once the project got funded um
[1:05:51] you know we were talking about a similar
[1:05:53] thing and from my understanding i think
[1:05:56] it's also just some of the grant writing
[1:05:57] and the things that need to happen to
[1:05:59] get the funding for construction
[1:06:01] that is a critical piece of this and i
[1:06:04] think that
[1:06:06] along with
[1:06:07] you know the other things in the scope
[1:06:09] that were provided um
[1:06:12] so but yeah based on my understanding
[1:06:13] there would be a construction manager
[1:06:16] for the project it would most likely be
[1:06:17] tap
[1:06:18] yes
[1:06:20] and then rosa's role is different from
[1:06:22] that but still related to getting the
[1:06:24] construction done absolutely again we
[1:06:26] can send along you know um
[1:06:29] exactly what she'll be doing so that you
[1:06:32] guys can read it
[1:06:34] but
[1:06:36] as kristin just said there's going to be
[1:06:37] a specific person dealing with no she's
[1:06:40] not a construction expert
[1:06:42] we are going to hire someone
[1:06:43] specifically for that and
[1:06:46] rosa's going to be working with them
[1:06:49] so
[1:06:51] go ahead please so where is that in the
[1:06:53] budget
[1:06:54] just so we can understand
[1:06:56] so again it's not on the sheet of paper
[1:06:59] that you have in front of you
[1:07:01] but we will provide it i did send an
[1:07:04] outline contract to kristin that states
[1:07:06] all of
[1:07:07] um rose's rules and responsibilities i
[1:07:10] meant the construction manager person
[1:07:12] that you were gonna you said you were
[1:07:14] yeah so that was that was part that's
[1:07:17] basically what you're seeing here from
[1:07:18] the project manager for tap that's up
[1:07:21] through the construction documents
[1:07:23] um because once that's done we'll have
[1:07:26] the cost estimate for the project and at
[1:07:28] that point we would you know that's when
[1:07:30] they would go out to bid and actually
[1:07:33] get a construction manager on board it
[1:07:34] would be
[1:07:35] it would require additional funds
[1:07:38] to move to that step um beyond the 100
[1:07:41] 000 that's currently um
[1:07:44] that's currently left in this budget so
[1:07:47] that that would you know we know that
[1:07:49] once this part is done there needs to be
[1:07:51] some fundraising and there needs to be
[1:07:52] more money to construct the project and
[1:07:54] at that point that's when
[1:07:57] the construction management and
[1:07:58] administration services would would kick
[1:08:01] in once they're actually moving towards
[1:08:03] construction
[1:08:05] so so some of the description here on
[1:08:07] the tab is almost similar to what you
[1:08:09] just read to us
[1:08:10] for the board organization consultant i
[1:08:13] think it's very different are we
[1:08:15] different yes i mean like design
[1:08:17] development construction documents those
[1:08:19] are things that we're going to be paying
[1:08:21] for that people don't oversee
[1:08:27] so i just mentioned that under you know
[1:08:28] the responsibilities that rosa would
[1:08:31] undertake and has been undertaking
[1:08:34] her role is not that we wouldn't want to
[1:08:37] spend money on two roles doing the same
[1:08:40] thing right
[1:08:41] so her role is co-managing
[1:08:44] with tap
[1:08:45] alongside
[1:08:47] managing volunteer days
[1:08:49] to continue gutting the building again i
[1:08:52] encourage you to come walk through so we
[1:08:54] can walk and talk so you can see all of
[1:08:55] the progress that has been made thus far
[1:08:58] without funding um well with just our
[1:09:01] fundraising
[1:09:02] you know um
[1:09:04] but in order to get ahead we we have to
[1:09:06] understand that this is a kind of an
[1:09:08] untraditional project if you will right
[1:09:10] um
[1:09:11] it's a dilapidated uh community center
[1:09:14] and we've been working on it since 2015.
[1:09:17] we've attained ownership in 2019 and
[1:09:19] then a pandemic hit which kind of set us
[1:09:21] back
[1:09:22] and then now we're back on track and
[1:09:24] we've been able to
[1:09:25] continue to progress but it's incredibly
[1:09:28] difficult to continue to progress
[1:09:30] without funding this is a multi-million
[1:09:32] dollar project right and we're talking
[1:09:34] about 100k right now
[1:09:37] and especially with
[1:09:39] a position i understand your concerns i
[1:09:40] don't want you guys it's just
[1:09:42] frustrating because we've been at this
[1:09:43] thing
[1:09:44] and volunteering is overwhelming and we
[1:09:46] have one employee
[1:09:48] just one in in-house site manager
[1:09:52] um that we would love to keep because
[1:09:54] like i said no one is more passionate no
[1:09:56] one knows this project better than rosa
[1:09:58] no
[1:09:59] so no we don't want to hire anyone from
[1:10:00] seat um to do that we would have to
[1:10:03] teach them everything you know they
[1:10:04] would have to relearn everything all
[1:10:06] over again
[1:10:08] um so it makes sense for her to be the
[1:10:10] person continuing to take charge and to
[1:10:13] work side by side with tech to make sure
[1:10:14] that they have all the things that they
[1:10:16] need to progress and bring the building
[1:10:18] that's called and
[1:10:19] progress with the construction
[1:10:21] so again whatever you guys need we can
[1:10:23] provide you with
[1:10:26] hi i know good thank you how much money
[1:10:29] has been raised so far in fundraising
[1:10:30] you mentioned through facebook and
[1:10:32] grants and other things
[1:10:34] since 2015 a little over 100k
[1:10:37] i can get you that exact number if you
[1:10:39] would like but since 2015 a little was
[1:10:41] over 100k and that's like i said solely
[1:10:43] based off of fundraising sure and how
[1:10:45] has that been spent
[1:10:47] up until this point sure um it's been
[1:10:50] spent with different community
[1:10:52] organizations um there was a
[1:10:55] construction group in
[1:10:57] washington urban who helped us stuff the
[1:10:59] building
[1:11:00] also with
[1:11:03] like i said we have utilities that we
[1:11:04] have to pay for there is electricity in
[1:11:06] the building so our operating budget has
[1:11:09] to be taken care of landscaping and snow
[1:11:12] removal so that we don't get fined
[1:11:13] during so there's you know things that
[1:11:16] we have to pay for you know the budget
[1:11:18] doesn't mean the funds don't just stay
[1:11:19] there you know what i mean right so um
[1:11:22] yeah
[1:11:23] thank you of
[1:11:25] ahead please um
[1:11:27] just to go back to um ms rivera's role
[1:11:31] sure she has been employed by miracle
[1:11:34] and craig right yeah i think and is the
[1:11:36] 29 000 her total salary or that's based
[1:11:39] on a six-month contract so
[1:11:42] that she was was had a higher salary
[1:11:44] remember from previous years yeah
[1:11:46] implementation so where does the rest of
[1:11:48] the salary
[1:11:50] come from i think did you get a grant
[1:11:52] perhaps from a different organization
[1:11:54] united way oh yeah okay so that's
[1:11:56] helping to pay for rose's salary well
[1:11:58] it's it did but so this would be a pay
[1:12:01] cut honestly um
[1:12:03] well it'd be six months like i said then
[1:12:05] you wouldn't have to figure out how to
[1:12:06] you know continue funding when we get to
[1:12:09] that point but and just related to the
[1:12:11] construction too
[1:12:12] um but yeah it's definitely less yeah okay
[1:12:19] yes
[1:12:20] um so multi-million dollar project
[1:12:22] that's big and so we might have put this
[1:12:26] 200 000 into it what's the
[1:12:30] length of time
[1:12:31] you plan you know on completing this and
[1:12:35] that's very hard to say without funding
[1:12:37] you know um i wish i could speak better
[1:12:39] to it um barb couldn't be here it was
[1:12:42] too short notice for her um but you know
[1:12:44] she's the professional in terms of you
[1:12:46] know construction and what it would take
[1:12:48] to get a team in there right um but it's
[1:12:50] hard to say without funding i understand
[1:12:52] your passion for it yeah
[1:12:55] that's
[1:12:56] you know
[1:12:57] i think cool um you know this this we're
[1:13:01] looking at by the end of the year we
[1:13:02] have the construction documents they're
[1:13:04] put out you know we have cost estimates
[1:13:07] and
[1:13:07] you know we have a clear picture of what
[1:13:10] is needed
[1:13:11] um
[1:13:12] and that's really the only point that we
[1:13:14] can determine what's going to happen
[1:13:15] from there and i think a lot of the
[1:13:17] other funders that have been talked to
[1:13:19] like the metroplex and the community one
[1:13:21] fund they want to see that
[1:13:23] before they make a commitment
[1:13:25] so
[1:13:26] this step
[1:13:27] is critical
[1:13:28] you know if it doesn't happen the
[1:13:29] project doesn't doesn't move forward um
[1:13:32] but i think that yeah they're very work
[1:13:35] to do and
[1:13:37] it's it's not an easy project it's
[1:13:40] obviously going to take a lot of
[1:13:41] continuous effort to get it done
[1:13:44] um
[1:13:47] so from the inception was this
[1:13:48] individual
[1:13:50] been getting paid
[1:13:51] throughout the entire program say 2015
[1:13:54] all the way to today
[1:13:56] one more time i'm sorry
[1:13:58] getting paid all the time from 2015 so
[1:14:01] no she wasn't no she was only getting
[1:14:05] paid once we raised funds um well
[1:14:09] so it was a lot of volunteering yeah it
[1:14:11] was a lot of volunteer work so we
[1:14:13] weren't just raising funds to pay to
[1:14:15] rosa so again we have an operating
[1:14:18] budget that we have to take care of um
[1:14:21] so yeah no
[1:14:24] you mentioned united with funding came
[1:14:26] from united way correct that didn't come
[1:14:27] until later i believe 20 just 2019 or 20 19 yeah i believe i can get you that
[1:14:35] day too
[1:14:36] um
[1:14:38] yeah no my concern isn't like i know i
[1:14:41] can speak i think everybody wants to see
[1:14:42] this project up and running and complete
[1:14:44] as fast as possible but we just want to
[1:14:46] make sure we have the right people to do
[1:14:48] the right to work we don't want it to
[1:14:49] fall apart my concern is that we should
[1:14:52] give this to this
[1:14:54] consultant work to the project
[1:14:56] management tab and let them oversee this
[1:14:59] work they are i'm sure they're going to
[1:15:01] put people with experience
[1:15:02] who has the knowledge in engineering
[1:15:04] construction to carry out to make sure
[1:15:06] this project is successful
[1:15:09] so i understand what you're saying i
[1:15:11] feel like there's a clear
[1:15:12] misunderstanding
[1:15:14] on rose's role she's not going to be in
[1:15:17] there
[1:15:18] working with so you have to understand
[1:15:20] when we hire a project manager right so
[1:15:23] when we hire tap on
[1:15:25] tap is going to need to be in direct
[1:15:27] contact with someone who knows the
[1:15:29] project
[1:15:30] and who can make decisions on behalf of
[1:15:32] the organization exactly in terms of
[1:15:35] really anything that happens so we're
[1:15:37] talking more time and more commitment
[1:15:40] um
[1:15:41] we're a board but again there's no one
[1:15:45] who is
[1:15:46] who has committed more than roseanne who
[1:15:48] knows the project more in addition to
[1:15:51] that we are still doing volunteer-based
[1:15:53] work in the building so we are literally
[1:15:56] prepping the building in safe spaces
[1:15:58] where we can have community members in
[1:15:59] the building continuously prepping the
[1:16:02] building for construction so that we can
[1:16:04] save on costs who who's organizing that
[1:16:06] rosa
[1:16:08] that's just one of many things that
[1:16:10] she's doing you know like i said we've
[1:16:11] been at this for six seven years now
[1:16:14] and
[1:16:14] it's a lot of time and commitment and
[1:16:16] rosa is the sole person who has been
[1:16:19] dedicated and committed to
[1:16:21] getting us to a point where we're ready
[1:16:23] to have this uh to
[1:16:25] have the building being worked on
[1:16:26] constructively
[1:16:28] so you're telling us that rosa is not
[1:16:30] currently a member of the board she is
[1:16:32] not currently
[1:16:37] she resigned so she was the executive
[1:16:40] director in the past
[1:16:43] and and now they because they the lack
[1:16:45] of funding they don't that they don't
[1:16:48] currently you don't currently have
[1:16:50] that right so the board is kind of
[1:16:52] operating to make decisions
[1:16:54] and they're trying to
[1:16:55] you know consult with rosa to
[1:16:58] oversee
[1:16:59] um
[1:17:00] correct and she can't play both of those
[1:17:02] positions right so we have to be ethical
[1:17:05] about the decisions that we're making
[1:17:06] into your point um
[1:17:08] again someone who's going to work with
[1:17:10] the construction company has to be able
[1:17:12] to make decisions
[1:17:13] um
[1:17:14] for the board and has to be readily
[1:17:17] available to do these things
[1:17:19] um
[1:17:20] but again
[1:17:21] the two roles are very very different i
[1:17:23] don't know how much more clear i can be
[1:17:26] on that
[1:17:33] i mean you guys know us right
[1:17:35] you guys we're you know who we are we've
[1:17:38] been very familiar
[1:17:40] our question here is not to be like anti
[1:17:42] against this project we want the best we
[1:17:44] have seen over the last five six years
[1:17:46] seven years the struggle to get this
[1:17:48] project where it's coming and
[1:17:50] funding is not available we have the
[1:17:52] funding here we can't spend it and here
[1:17:53] we are making accommodation to spend the
[1:17:56] fun
[1:17:56] but there are some line items that are
[1:17:58] questionable
[1:18:00] and then they are not cute they are
[1:18:01] supporting documents that was not
[1:18:03] provided to us
[1:18:04] so i don't know if we can
[1:18:07] i'm inclined to hold it unless the
[1:18:09] finance committee wants to provide
[1:18:11] i'm inclined to hold this until you
[1:18:13] receive all the other documents i can i
[1:18:15] can send you what you asked like tonight
[1:18:17] if you know
[1:18:19] i mean it's really just the scope that
[1:18:21] ray read
[1:18:23] i just i think there's too many
[1:18:25] questions and it'd be nice to get the
[1:18:28] information and go through it and
[1:18:30] hash this out once and for all to make
[1:18:32] sure we can move forward and make sure
[1:18:34] the project is successful
[1:18:36] and and get it headed in
[1:18:39] a
[1:18:40] more
[1:18:41] steep trajectory of getting completed so
[1:18:44] i would be in favor of waiting on this
[1:18:46] yeah go ahead please
[1:18:48] so i hope my silence hasn't been like
[1:18:50] off-putting just listening and making
[1:18:52] sure i have
[1:18:53] each of the fellow council members kind
[1:18:55] of perspective
[1:18:56] definitely i would agree absent having
[1:18:59] uh just a document in front of us
[1:19:02] a lot of words are getting thrown around
[1:19:04] so i definitely understand wanting to
[1:19:06] have something on paper would help be
[1:19:07] able to differentiate between
[1:19:09] uh what is the position or
[1:19:11] responsibilities of a project manager
[1:19:13] through tech and like you're mentioning
[1:19:15] how there are differences with rose's
[1:19:17] role with this project so definitely
[1:19:20] having the contract but then also um mr
[1:19:22] munibrand was mentioning having the
[1:19:24] additional time to allow members to come
[1:19:27] out and see the project and have a
[1:19:30] hands-on understanding of the the work
[1:19:32] and magnitude of what's been coming on i
[1:19:34] think that'll put everything into
[1:19:35] perspective so
[1:19:37] i think having the document the contract
[1:19:40] uh allowing the members the time to work
[1:19:42] through it and then also uh challenging
[1:19:45] us to come out and see work
[1:19:48] yeah so please uh provide the documents
[1:19:52] not requested and we can register two
[1:19:54] weeks
[1:19:56] so i would um you know the challenge
[1:19:59] part i like that
[1:20:01] i do i do because you know we've been
[1:20:03] challenged since 2015 to provide thing
[1:20:06] after thing after thing um you know
[1:20:08] which makes sense you know you guys want
[1:20:10] to see this happen um
[1:20:13] so we would love to see you guys come
[1:20:14] and see all the hard work that has been
[1:20:16] happening because it's incredibly
[1:20:17] daunting for us to continue to show up
[1:20:20] right and then to we have to kind of
[1:20:22] wait you know it almost feels like you
[1:20:25] kind of don't trust us you know i
[1:20:27] understand having supporting documents
[1:20:29] and we can give you whatever you guys
[1:20:30] need as we always have um
[1:20:34] but you know i've only seen uh miss
[1:20:36] porterfield and mr carl williams come
[1:20:39] out and actually see physically the work
[1:20:42] that has been done so i understand how
[1:20:44] it could be difficult for you to
[1:20:45] understand all the work that has been
[1:20:47] going into it and
[1:20:49] the lack of understanding of rosa's role
[1:20:52] without really seeing
[1:20:54] the project physically or coming out to
[1:20:57] one of the renovation saturdays that we
[1:20:59] hold every single saturday um
[1:21:02] of the month aside from winter um
[1:21:06] so yeah please come out and show us that
[1:21:08] you you know would like to see this
[1:21:10] thing and i don't mean to be aggressive
[1:21:11] or anything i'm just passionate you know
[1:21:13] what i mean um i'm from hamilton hill
[1:21:15] you know we've been here for six seven
[1:21:17] years and we're still presenting and
[1:21:19] we're still showing up for community uh
[1:21:22] as they continue to show it for us so
[1:21:25] you know we just really look forward to
[1:21:27] you know continuing support
[1:21:30] so can you email some of the dates that
[1:21:31] the center is open to the entire console
[1:21:34] and we can try our best so thank you at
[1:21:36] the time
[1:21:37] i'll send it to you please send it to us
[1:21:40] to be there surely so i just want to be
[1:21:43] clear it's really it's not about us not
[1:21:44] trusting but we have to be accountable
[1:21:47] to the people who give us the money for
[1:21:49] how we're spending the money so
[1:21:51] we have to ask those questions so we
[1:21:52] have to be able to answer so we have to
[1:21:54] get the answers from you understood and
[1:21:56] you'll get it okay okay all right
[1:22:00] because i'm a fan of the project as you
[1:22:01] know i do know
[1:22:03] any other questions comments all right
[1:22:06] so we'll get the information and we'll
[1:22:07] have this back in two weeks
[1:22:10] so i'm sorry what was the time frame
[1:22:11] once we get the information
[1:22:13] we'll come back we'll come back to the
[1:22:15] next committee meeting in two weeks
[1:22:19] thank you
[1:22:22] the next item is the 202 budget and
[1:22:25] position reappropriation department of
[1:22:28] development
[1:22:30] mr ferrari
[1:22:43] also president city council mayor uh
[1:22:46] you know the city finance department in
[1:22:48] the 22 budget had a
[1:22:51] position of administrative assistant
[1:22:54] but during uh during the year that
[1:22:56] person has uh has
[1:22:58] gone back to her previous job
[1:23:00] and as our department reviewing the
[1:23:03] needs that we have we
[1:23:04] realized what we really needed was an
[1:23:06] accountant or junior yeah
[1:23:08] i think we're doing the um i think oh
[1:23:10] please do it oh department i'm sorry
[1:23:16] good
[1:23:17] again
[1:23:18] the city development department
[1:23:20] kristen's here uh you know the the department itself
[1:23:25] lost uh two positions uh housing uh
[1:23:27] person uh person and uh the zombie
[1:23:30] administrator who uh who was uh with a
[1:23:33] grant avi
[1:23:35] so uh as you know the projects that the
[1:23:37] development department is uh coming up
[1:23:39] with uh you know what's happening on
[1:23:41] crane street in mount pleasant and all
[1:23:42] the areas uh it came to
[1:23:45] talking with kristen that she would love
[1:23:47] to get an additional assistant planner
[1:23:49] to help complete these tests uh once
[1:23:51] again this is a a budget neutral effect
[1:23:55] we take the part-time salary uh
[1:23:58] the person who had left
[1:24:00] and her budget and now it's more than
[1:24:03] enough to help the assistant planner for
[1:24:05] the rest of the year
[1:24:07] uh if you have any questions so you can
[1:24:09] ask
[1:24:10] kristin
[1:24:11] so this part-time seasonal salary is
[1:24:14] from the department of development yes
[1:24:16] dear genter who worked with us for
[1:24:18] probably over 40 years she retired a
[1:24:20] couple months ago okay um so that was definitely lost to the
[1:24:23] department
[1:24:25] and we did have an assistant planner
[1:24:27] previously i believe she left the position in 2019 and we
[1:24:31] never filled it
[1:24:32] um so this would just be really helpful
[1:24:34] with the things that are coming up and
[1:24:37] what we're doing go ahead please um so
[1:24:40] which is a civil service position it
[1:24:43] and
[1:24:44] follow up is there already someone in
[1:24:46] mind or do you have
[1:24:47] will this be a position that has to be
[1:24:49] advertised this would be it will be
[1:24:51] posted okay yeah
[1:24:53] thank you
[1:24:56] any other questions
[1:24:58] go ahead please and then you said this
[1:25:00] has been vacant since 2019 yes
[1:25:07] you have questions
[1:25:08] may i have a motion to move this remove
[1:25:11] bit
[1:25:12] all in favor
[1:25:14] the next item is the 2022 budget and
[1:25:16] position reproduction finance department
[1:25:21] thank you again i'm sorry for the
[1:25:24] inconvenience of speaking earlier again
[1:25:26] uh as our department uh we realized that
[1:25:28] what we really need for a position as an
[1:25:30] accountant uh again uh the
[1:25:32] administrative assistant only lasted a
[1:25:34] you know uh a few months and so there's
[1:25:37] available budget about over 42 thousand
[1:25:39] uh we were going to go out advertise for
[1:25:42] an accountant but hopefully we can get
[1:25:44] one uh we're thinking right at the
[1:25:46] school year a lot of graduates or we're
[1:25:48] hoping to grab one from the from the
[1:25:50] pool of graduates uh we will be uh
[1:25:53] posting uh for again this will be budget
[1:25:55] neutral
[1:25:56] and
[1:25:57] we're hoping that to get a good person
[1:25:59] in that position
[1:26:00] yeah and just as a reminder please when you're posting this position please
[1:26:04] copy the console so yes
[1:26:11] and we're going to be doing that more
[1:26:13] often now yeah
[1:26:14] go ahead please um so the
[1:26:16] salary for the accountant of
[1:26:19] 42 578 is because we're six months in
[1:26:22] yes but in a 2023 budget it would be
[1:26:25] double that probably no uh we're looking
[1:26:27] at the probably uh between 56 and 60
[1:26:29] probably in 2023 okay
[1:26:33] yep
[1:26:35] any other questions
[1:26:37] comments
[1:26:38] may have a motion on this
[1:26:41] section all in favor aye thank you very
[1:26:43] much
[1:26:44] the next item is a 22 golf budget
[1:26:47] amendment and
[1:26:57] so what we have is a budget amendment
[1:26:58] for the golf course uh several months
[1:27:01] ago we awarded the construction of a new
[1:27:03] maintenance building at the golf course
[1:27:06] we did a budget amendment to increase
[1:27:08] the budget when we awarded that project
[1:27:09] this is as you can see uh we've made
[1:27:12] some
[1:27:13] uh changes some change orders here as
[1:27:15] you see we
[1:27:16] put in a bigger overhead door we
[1:27:18] insulated a couple of doors we decided
[1:27:21] to
[1:27:22] line the ceilings with these ceiling
[1:27:24] liner panels uh something that we didn't
[1:27:26] think of as that
[1:27:27] we lined the heated side but the
[1:27:28] non-heated side but at the maintenance
[1:27:30] garages we tend to leave the doors open
[1:27:33] and if birds were to get into the
[1:27:35] non-heated side they could get all the
[1:27:37] way into the heated side and roost in
[1:27:39] the in the rafters so we decided to
[1:27:43] put panels there to prevent any roosting
[1:27:45] of birds we also double the insulation
[1:27:49] and and put some hardier partition walls
[1:27:52] up just some plywood and things so the
[1:27:54] total of all those change orders you see
[1:27:56] is 14 000
[1:27:58] in addition you might wonder where the difference is because we're asking
[1:28:01] for 45
[1:28:02] um we are also looking to have our
[1:28:05] electricians
[1:28:07] do the electrical service so what we
[1:28:08] awarded was a building if you were to go
[1:28:10] there the building is a shell
[1:28:13] we actually have plumbing stubbed to it
[1:28:15] but it doesn't have power yet we have
[1:28:17] power at the facility but just not to
[1:28:18] the building
[1:28:19] our city electricians are
[1:28:22] licensed and capable of doing all this
[1:28:23] work they have started some but to
[1:28:25] actually buy the panels the led lights
[1:28:28] the outlet boxes and things like that
[1:28:30] we need to appropriate the money over
[1:28:32] it's something we didn't anticipate we
[1:28:34] have a pretty healthy reserve in our
[1:28:36] capital project
[1:28:38] so we're saving a lot of money in labor
[1:28:40] so this money will be put into
[1:28:42] essentially a supply line where then
[1:28:44] we'll build and they'll go to one of the
[1:28:46] local stores and we'll buy the supplies
[1:28:49] to put into the building and something
[1:28:50] that we'll do over the course of the
[1:28:52] summer
[1:28:54] so this is going to be done in house
[1:28:56] the electrical work is going to be done
[1:28:59] in-house uh with the exception of the
[1:29:01] connection which we're going to work
[1:29:02] with national grid on and then the
[1:29:03] change orders that is with the
[1:29:05] contractor um and and they'll be he'll
[1:29:08] be installing all those things actually
[1:29:10] a lot of them are ordered and ready this
[1:29:11] is just and you know
[1:29:13] it's just difficult because we keep
[1:29:15] you know you've seen our operating
[1:29:16] budget we keep our operating budget um i
[1:29:19] would say then you know we put in there
[1:29:21] what we need we don't put in there a lot
[1:29:22] of fluff we do keep money in our capital
[1:29:24] reserves and in our others uh so when we
[1:29:27] need access to that money
[1:29:29] you see me okay
[1:29:31] so it's transparent i guess in a way
[1:29:32] that you know we do that but
[1:29:35] any other questions
[1:29:38] may i have a motion
[1:29:40] all in favor all right hi thank you
[1:29:43] i have a motion to adjourn
[1:29:45] all in favor all right
[1:29:49] so i'd like to call to order the public
[1:29:51] safety clinic we have two items on our
[1:29:52] agenda for tonight the first one is a cr
[1:29:54] about gun violence awareness month
[1:29:56] that's by myself
[1:29:58] uh definitely it's a saddening time
[1:30:00] throughout the country and globally
[1:30:03] where gun violence is something that's
[1:30:05] becoming more rampant throughout our
[1:30:06] communities i think it's important for
[1:30:08] us to intentionally recognize
[1:30:11] that this issue is going to require
[1:30:13] active engagement from our communities
[1:30:15] and also recognizing the steps that our
[1:30:18] community individually has been making
[1:30:19] to
[1:30:21] actively work to make sure we're
[1:30:23] protecting the safety of not only our
[1:30:24] students and our high schools and
[1:30:26] our other academic institutions but also
[1:30:29] making sure that we're recognizing the anguish that exists outside the
[1:30:34] city's connectivity and also talk to uh
[1:30:36] some of the power that's required
[1:30:39] um of individuals to pick up their very
[1:30:41] good platforms
[1:30:43] and and use their voices for good so
[1:30:46] i think i was getting too preachy at the
[1:30:48] end um
[1:30:49] but definitely it doesn't take someone
[1:30:51] very very hard or long to recognize the attachments to why gun
[1:30:57] violence needs to be addressed i know we
[1:31:00] are at the local stage and i'm not
[1:31:03] proposing that i'm not promoting that we
[1:31:06] try and
[1:31:08] reach out to the state legislators but i
[1:31:10] think as a community we need to send a
[1:31:11] powerful message that this is something
[1:31:13] that is
[1:31:14] not going to be tolerated in our
[1:31:15] communities and that we need to be
[1:31:17] together as well
[1:31:19] so is there any questions
[1:31:22] i'll move this
[1:31:23] a second
[1:31:26] the second agenda item is a grant award
[1:31:28] for the community trust building
[1:31:30] conversations that's going to be
[1:31:32] discussed by acc
[1:31:37] we're going to make a nice opportunity
[1:31:38] to form with brian
[1:31:41] here to ask you guys to accept a grant
[1:31:44] from dcjs the amount of twenty one
[1:31:46] thousand five hundred dollars
[1:31:48] we will reach uh dc js reach out process
[1:31:51] a few months ago and asked us that we'd
[1:31:53] be part of a pilot program
[1:31:55] for community trust building
[1:31:57] right now we have two procedural justice
[1:31:59] master instructors in our department
[1:32:01] they took place
[1:32:04] through some virtual trust building
[1:32:06] throughout different communities
[1:32:07] throughout the state and now they want
[1:32:09] to bring it to communities so we were
[1:32:11] chosen as well as utica
[1:32:14] so they are paying
[1:32:16] for members of the community as well as
[1:32:18] for the backfilling for officers and
[1:32:21] for a location to host the events that
[1:32:23] be closed off to the public
[1:32:25] the finn institute will be there to
[1:32:28] document
[1:32:30] the conversation that they have and to
[1:32:32] evaluate how the conversations are going
[1:32:34] and
[1:32:36] then report will be generated
[1:32:40] thank you any questions
[1:32:43] how many offices will be involved in
[1:32:44] this up to eight officers um
[1:32:47] i believe they are
[1:32:49] i know that we have the kind of master's
[1:32:51] overseeing
[1:32:52] from the police side
[1:32:54] and as well as attending antinovic
[1:32:56] and then i believe there's six
[1:32:58] actual officers taking part in the
[1:33:00] conversations
[1:33:01] so that's who the eight attendees are
[1:33:03] yes
[1:33:05] so the public
[1:33:06] is this to create uh trust with the
[1:33:09] public so there's public attendees as
[1:33:10] well yes there's there's gonna be eight
[1:33:12] from there there's something what we're
[1:33:13] seeing from the public side and then um
[1:33:15] there's community members that uh we
[1:33:18] were selected already um that would be
[1:33:20] taking part in that well then that's
[1:33:22] kind of my question so how were because
[1:33:23] this is the first i've heard of it so
[1:33:25] how were um community members chosen to
[1:33:27] be a part of this so julia holcomb is
[1:33:30] the person that was chosen from the
[1:33:33] community
[1:33:34] um i don't know how she was selected um
[1:33:36] and then she was reaching out to members
[1:33:38] of the community
[1:33:39] so i
[1:33:41] was not part of that okay
[1:33:43] and how many members from the community
[1:33:45] as well
[1:33:51] i i guess maybe this answers my question
[1:33:53] i'm not sure so i see so there's eight
[1:33:55] officers eight community members
[1:33:58] which i think is kind of a low amount
[1:34:00] really but um for a time of community
[1:34:01] conversation that you want to achieve
[1:34:04] i thought that was a low amount for
[1:34:05] trying to achieve a community community
[1:34:07] conversation however um that's the
[1:34:09] number that you know that you've chosen
[1:34:15] how many people have yeah
[1:34:26] 20 attendees how do you account for the
[1:34:27] food
[1:34:29] how do we count for them
[1:34:44] i understand that it says eight maybe 16
[1:34:46] eight officers eight people 20 attendees
[1:34:49] for the food oh sorry we're just trying
[1:34:50] to figure that out be personal so okay
[1:34:52] so so there's two other people from the
[1:34:54] financial sixties okay i'm sorry that's
[1:34:56] all yeah that's why i wanted that
[1:34:58] if the council president wanted to
[1:35:00] attend
[1:35:01] i wasn't invited clearly they knew who
[1:35:03] they wanted in the room
[1:35:05] i'll make a call for you
[1:35:07] are there any questions
[1:35:09] well i think it's i think it's fantastic
[1:35:11] that we were selected by uh by the
[1:35:14] organization and that we're getting the
[1:35:15] grant um it certainly was part of our
[1:35:17] reform and reinvention process to
[1:35:20] be doing what we could
[1:35:21] to
[1:35:23] look at how we can
[1:35:24] develop trust so the fact that this is
[1:35:26] going to be a little bit of a pilot
[1:35:27] research study will help pave the way
[1:35:30] for those later conversations
[1:35:32] um that we also have included in the
[1:35:34] reform so i congratulate the department
[1:35:37] on another
[1:35:38] grant
[1:35:40] as well as being selected so we're
[1:35:42] excited to get started with it okay good
[1:35:45] job all right just wanna start any
[1:35:46] questions and have a motion solo second
[1:35:49] favorite
[1:35:50] unless there are any other items that
[1:35:52] fall before public safety and utilities committee service
[1:36:04] services
[1:36:05] first
[1:36:06] agenda is
[1:36:08] the award of municipal water
[1:36:10] supply well project
[1:36:12] i don't see mr lafon he uh unfortunately
[1:36:15] has a tested positive for coleman
[1:36:18] this
[1:36:19] is an upgrade of our wells or some of
[1:36:21] them are at the
[1:36:23] end of their useful life
[1:36:25] went out for bids for
[1:36:28] three new wells
[1:36:29] which is the
[1:36:31] million three
[1:36:32] that's before you
[1:36:34] and
[1:36:35] it's also an error in the second sheet
[1:36:39] for the alternative one which is listed
[1:36:42] it's actually twenty one thousand
[1:36:44] dollars on the one side that says it's
[1:36:46] 21 million dollars
[1:36:49] that
[1:36:50] is decommission the old wells when we
[1:36:54] take those out of service
[1:36:56] we've worked with this company before
[1:37:00] it's a highly specialized area
[1:37:02] and
[1:37:04] recommending the council that uh improve
[1:37:06] it and move ahead with this project
[1:37:09] any questions or comments
[1:37:11] this policy so i understand that we just
[1:37:13] had this one company bid on this
[1:37:14] particular although other companies did
[1:37:16] download the um
[1:37:18] looked at it again it's highly
[1:37:20] specialized work they've
[1:37:22] done work here before so
[1:37:24] uh
[1:37:25] they don't say it too loud but they came
[1:37:28] in under what our in-house
[1:37:30] estimates were for costs so uh
[1:37:39] any other questions comments
[1:37:41] i have a motion i'll move it
[1:37:43] second
[1:37:46] motion to adjourn all in favor aye aye
[1:37:50] now i'd like a motion to address that
[1:37:52] second
[1:37:54] almost favor
[1:37:58] i'd like to call the order of city
[1:37:59] development and planning we have 12
[1:38:01] items on the agenda
[1:38:03] the first item award bid and contract
[1:38:05] for the 2022 schenectady tips paving
[1:38:07] program
[1:38:08] mr wall
[1:38:18] so the first one is like we said warping
[1:38:20] contract 2022 paving uh my apologies for
[1:38:24] getting it to be filled now but i wanted
[1:38:26] to get something together that's also uh
[1:38:28] to give a summary of what we've been
[1:38:30] doing because to someone in schenectady
[1:38:32] they may wonder how we're awarding the
[1:38:34] paving program we've been paying them
[1:38:35] all year
[1:38:36] so what we've been doing is this is a
[1:38:38] list of all the paving that we were
[1:38:40] wrapping up this year because our paving
[1:38:42] program went out late last year so as
[1:38:45] you see uh we've already done almost
[1:38:47] seven and a half miles of road this year
[1:38:50] we have also started
[1:38:52] actually we're starting next week what
[1:38:54] we're calling the cdbg paving program
[1:38:56] which is the list here
[1:38:58] these are cgpg fun page roads
[1:39:01] which is a mile these are specific to
[1:39:04] our focused neighborhoods primarily
[1:39:06] around hamilton hill
[1:39:08] so this project will be getting started
[1:39:10] in june and then the project which we
[1:39:12] are actually looking to award today is
[1:39:15] actually the third sheet which says 2022
[1:39:18] chips program
[1:39:20] which is five miles um five miles for
[1:39:23] similar amount of money
[1:39:25] prices have gone up for asphalt also a
[1:39:28] big chunk of this one is eastern
[1:39:30] which is a long road um we estimates did
[1:39:33] come in where we thought they would
[1:39:35] and we are comfortable with the number
[1:39:37] that we got the contractor is the same
[1:39:39] contractor that was working
[1:39:42] on our 2021 project in the city of
[1:39:44] schenectady um we also had a second bid
[1:39:48] from callan and kalanine is doing a lot
[1:39:50] of our federal work right now so you
[1:39:52] will see
[1:39:53] at kalani
[1:39:53] not wendell you'll see counting in
[1:39:55] around city hall callanan was on
[1:39:57] broadway and broadway roosevelt and city
[1:40:01] hall they are not included in these
[1:40:02] lists because
[1:40:04] it's just another project and it's
[1:40:05] another list so we have a lot going on
[1:40:08] in the city right now
[1:40:10] um the big project i know we've been
[1:40:11] getting a lot of complaints on it was a
[1:40:13] ten night for 2022 and we are
[1:40:16] looking to do uh
[1:40:18] tennis
[1:40:19] in mount pleasant that is a main side
[1:40:22] street i would call it the problem with
[1:40:24] tennie is it's one of those streets
[1:40:26] where not many people live on it goes through and everybody lives on
[1:40:30] the cross streets so it's always kind of
[1:40:32] been neglected
[1:40:33] but national grid has been in there we
[1:40:35] have had a lot of complaints about the
[1:40:36] condition of tenik so that is on there i
[1:40:39] know that some people will be happy
[1:40:40] about that
[1:40:41] and in addition we have other streets
[1:40:43] that we are working on we're doing them
[1:40:45] separately again
[1:40:47] so i'll just give you a heads up we are
[1:40:49] looking to put a contract out in the
[1:40:52] next month
[1:40:53] to rip up and replace all of the
[1:40:55] concrete near the michigan avenue
[1:40:57] baseball field
[1:40:58] [Music]
[1:40:59] that interchange is falling apart we are
[1:41:02] contemplating with the cost of asphalt
[1:41:04] if we put concrete back or not so we're
[1:41:06] doing a little cost benefit similarly
[1:41:09] over by grandview concrete
[1:41:11] on altima
[1:41:13] we have a section there that is in bad
[1:41:15] chase
[1:41:16] we're
[1:41:17] looking at that section and then we are
[1:41:19] looking at doing a slight road widening
[1:41:22] at gulf road and route seven
[1:41:25] um because if you're familiar with gulf
[1:41:26] road route 7 right by the babe ruth
[1:41:28] field it is essentially one and a half
[1:41:31] lanes wide depending on where a car goes
[1:41:34] so we're working with the dlt and making
[1:41:35] it officially two lanes a straight left
[1:41:38] and a right we really think that's going
[1:41:39] to improve traffic flow
[1:41:41] to have that there so that's going to be
[1:41:43] another contract that's coming
[1:41:45] this is a little bit more vanilla we did
[1:41:48] not want to
[1:41:49] kind of mix up a large project with a
[1:41:53] mill and fill project but i just wanted
[1:41:55] to give you a heads up that that is
[1:41:56] coming as well
[1:41:58] so
[1:41:59] is there any questions i
[1:42:01] you know feel free to ask um this
[1:42:02] project is all chips money chips is our
[1:42:06] state assisted money you'll be hearing
[1:42:08] about it a little bit because we got a
[1:42:10] little bit more chips money so we really
[1:42:12] need to start drawing down on that
[1:42:14] because we are
[1:42:15] we have quite a bit of it so we do have
[1:42:17] the funding to pay for this and the
[1:42:19] other projects and
[1:42:21] we did we're in a good spot i think mr
[1:42:24] baldwin uh chris this is related to
[1:42:27] something you said not necessarily this
[1:42:29] project with the cement projects
[1:42:32] um if you remember when they did part of
[1:42:35] the crosstown group seven they had
[1:42:36] pre-poured
[1:42:39] this last slab
[1:42:41] is that something that we could do and
[1:42:43] maybe it'd be a little bit more cost
[1:42:45] effective
[1:42:47] i haven't seen it done much with the
[1:42:49] prequel i mean whenever we're doing it
[1:42:51] i have seen it done we were looking at a
[1:42:53] raised intersection in a couple areas
[1:42:55] where they do put panels in to save time
[1:42:57] with that but i haven't seen it done
[1:42:58] with roads because they now make very
[1:43:01] efficient actual concrete machines to
[1:43:04] pour roads where the trucks come and do
[1:43:06] it i'm not saying it can't be done
[1:43:08] but uh usually you're they're poured in
[1:43:11] place or they're whether that but for sections yes i have seen panels and
[1:43:16] we were looking at doing that that's why
[1:43:18] just like brandywine avenue um we put
[1:43:20] that out to bid if anybody was wondering
[1:43:22] whatever happened to brandywine avenue
[1:43:23] that's been you know kind of out there
[1:43:24] for a while we put it out to bid and it
[1:43:26] came in over almost 100 of the budget
[1:43:29] and a lot of that was the precast panels
[1:43:31] and everything associated with a raised
[1:43:34] intersection so we're going to try
[1:43:35] moving forward with that as an alternate
[1:43:37] because
[1:43:38] at the time race intersections were kind
[1:43:41] of something that everybody was like you
[1:43:42] know how does this work and they're
[1:43:44] found to be effective but not half a
[1:43:46] million dollars effective there's other
[1:43:48] things that we can do that are better
[1:43:50] for taxpayer dollars so we'll be doing
[1:43:52] that but i'll look into it but we're
[1:43:53] really trying you know the mayor and i
[1:43:55] have had a conversation about where that
[1:43:57] tipping point is with asphalt and and
[1:43:59] concrete roadways there's plenty of
[1:44:01] studies out there
[1:44:03] yeah and the problem with the roadways
[1:44:04] that we have right now they're older and
[1:44:07] they're hard to patch we just look at it
[1:44:09] each
[1:44:10] hole that you see would need to be saw
[1:44:11] cut into a square
[1:44:13] and then repaired and then there's
[1:44:15] cracks and so we went started we just
[1:44:17] said you know what we've gotten our
[1:44:18] money out of this road but especially
[1:44:20] the michigan ave intersection i mean we
[1:44:22] get a lot of cars that come through
[1:44:24] there every day and we really need to
[1:44:26] you know put our best foot forward on
[1:44:27] that one but that's not this this is big
[1:44:30] with the road
[1:44:32] unless i get my project screwed up here
[1:44:34] uh with the road that you said you were
[1:44:36] going to tear up
[1:44:37] uh have you looked at the numbers for
[1:44:39] making that cement instead of asphalt
[1:44:43] which road the one i don't remember you
[1:44:45] went through so much michigan
[1:44:51] because yeah those are their sections
[1:44:54] they're high volume um especially
[1:44:56] michigan probably not ultimate when we
[1:44:59] get to it because altamonte is just such
[1:45:01] a simple straight line shot
[1:45:04] um but with the michigan one definitely
[1:45:06] a lot of turning movements a lot of
[1:45:08] trucks well we're definitely gonna we'll
[1:45:10] reconsider what we're doing there
[1:45:12] so this is the this is the pavement
[1:45:13] program here i just wanted to give
[1:45:15] everybody all the information
[1:45:17] any other questions
[1:45:24] so i know previously uh you mentioned
[1:45:27] that you're unfortunately at the expense
[1:45:29] of having managers so having enough
[1:45:31] engineers to facilitate these projects i
[1:45:33] know for me before getting on the
[1:45:34] council you would assume it's funding
[1:45:36] but i know your office does really well
[1:45:38] at acquiring grants is there ever a
[1:45:40] position where you get to the end of the
[1:45:41] fiscal year you have to return money or
[1:45:43] do you project that you'll be able to
[1:45:45] spend down um the chips money that we
[1:45:47] can do so the chips money rolls over
[1:45:49] okay so
[1:45:50] we're we're fortunate in that um but
[1:45:52] what ended up happening was during covid
[1:45:54] we actually got some of our money but we
[1:45:56] weren't really spending it so we ended
[1:45:58] up with a little bit more than we would
[1:45:59] have so now we have it and also as
[1:46:01] you've awarded before we're getting this
[1:46:03] touring wrap money which is the second
[1:46:05] year of that so uh no i mean what i am
[1:46:07] doing is you know i am using chips money
[1:46:09] for
[1:46:10] many more things than i've ever used it
[1:46:12] before i have now
[1:46:14] we're doing designs for
[1:46:18] maybe almost a dozen different roadway
[1:46:20] areas we're doing signal replacement
[1:46:22] designs roadway designs and we're using
[1:46:24] chips money to pay for all that because
[1:46:26] it's eligible
[1:46:27] and so um for instance this interest
[1:46:29] this interjection while we were out
[1:46:31] there at hamburg and um altima you know
[1:46:34] kind of by that pizza shore and the
[1:46:36] point of auto repair
[1:46:38] the signal is terrible you know and it
[1:46:40] was like you know what if we're going to
[1:46:42] be here so separately looking at the
[1:46:43] signal which is chip's electricity you
[1:46:45] know so we're going to do is it can be
[1:46:47] done separately but we're going to do
[1:46:48] the signal because if anybody's driving
[1:46:50] up broadway and guilderland we did that
[1:46:52] intersection over and it's been really
[1:46:54] successful and that hamburg intersection
[1:46:56] is very similar in geometry to that so
[1:46:58] we're going to look at replacing all
[1:47:00] that there's you get to the point where
[1:47:01] the auto storage you'll notice that you
[1:47:02] actually can't cross
[1:47:04] it's just there's just a point and then
[1:47:05] you're just supposed to cross on your
[1:47:06] own so we're going to make that so you
[1:47:08] can actually cross flip the pet heads
[1:47:10] there but that's all in design so yeah
[1:47:11] we're
[1:47:12] we are using the chips money as fast as
[1:47:14] the staff can and we're also paying a
[1:47:16] lot of consultants and we have you know
[1:47:19] we're using consultants to supervise
[1:47:21] this so we have a consultant
[1:47:24] all day when the consult when they're
[1:47:25] out there looking at each one you know
[1:47:27] they're taking slips they're making sure
[1:47:28] the projects are getting built to spec
[1:47:30] if there's questions they're calling and
[1:47:32] then my assistant's going out to meet
[1:47:33] with them or with mike cerrone or paul
[1:47:35] so there is a lot of coordination going
[1:47:37] on and all that is chip's eligible
[1:47:39] thank you green
[1:47:40] since you're talking about that also you
[1:47:42] might want to mention francis and willit
[1:47:45] was down there
[1:47:47] with that intersection oh the
[1:47:49] intersection the intersection
[1:47:50] yeah great project
[1:47:52] okay so like we can go on about this all
[1:47:55] day
[1:47:56] francis and that that intersection was
[1:47:59] one of our best projects we got rid of a
[1:48:01] just completely obsolete intersection
[1:48:04] that had no business being in a
[1:48:06] neighborhood we removed almost 40
[1:48:08] percent of asphalt we increased our
[1:48:10] grass and what we are doing is we're
[1:48:12] working with another consultant on chips
[1:48:14] and we are as part of the craig maine
[1:48:16] kind of overall plan for mount pleasant
[1:48:18] we're now looking at uh forest in maine
[1:48:21] and forest and holland because those are
[1:48:23] similar very large odd intersections
[1:48:26] near a school so we're looking to narrow
[1:48:28] those up as well yeah we really think
[1:48:30] that forest is yeah and what with the timing of couldn't have been better
[1:48:35] because i am nervous about when the
[1:48:36] bridge is completed
[1:48:38] um the speeds on the bridge
[1:48:40] prior to it being repaired were high
[1:48:43] and so we are concerned about that
[1:48:45] bridge being
[1:48:46] you know fast and so having that stop
[1:48:48] sign there and that hopefully that helps
[1:48:50] to slow but
[1:48:51] that bridge is very long and very
[1:48:53] straight and you know people like to ride on
[1:48:58] any other questions or comments
[1:49:02] second all those in favor
[1:49:05] all right thank you uh the next uh item
[1:49:08] number two transportation uh new york
[1:49:10] city d.o.t to pave our potholes yay
[1:49:15] program funding mr wellington sure so
[1:49:18] this is a new program i believe booked
[1:49:21] by the governor called pop favor
[1:49:23] potholes it is a additional allocation
[1:49:26] of state money that will go into our
[1:49:29] trips account
[1:49:30] so it is
[1:49:32] no different than emergency winter
[1:49:33] recovery paid new york or the new york
[1:49:36] state touring money it is just the
[1:49:37] latest acronym
[1:49:39] so this will go into our pot of money to
[1:49:42] go for our projects
[1:49:44] and um you know we welcome any new money
[1:49:46] that we get
[1:49:49] any questions i'll move this second all
[1:49:52] those in favor
[1:49:54] and uh the right amount you've done a
[1:49:56] discussion of north college street um
[1:50:03] i hope everybody had a chance to kind of
[1:50:05] look at this a little bit i would really
[1:50:06] like this to be a discussion so that can
[1:50:08] lead to an action item
[1:50:10] um i've been working a lot with mr
[1:50:13] palmini and the neighborhood
[1:50:15] specifically diane runkle who lives on
[1:50:16] the block who's organizing everything
[1:50:18] i did not have time to include this but
[1:50:20] she did send it to me i made enough
[1:50:22] copies for everybody which is you know
[1:50:24] their petition which is really the first
[1:50:25] start and andrew i don't know if you had
[1:50:27] time to
[1:50:28] review everything but uh you know that's
[1:50:30] really the first part of it is the
[1:50:32] petition of the residence and she has on
[1:50:35] here you know
[1:50:36] the percentages the church
[1:50:39] is the former church and the historic is
[1:50:41] the historic society museum that exists
[1:50:44] so
[1:50:45] the issue with those two particular
[1:50:48] properties and why she has those
[1:50:49] highlighted is that
[1:50:51] the church and the historic society have
[1:50:53] sidewalks that are compliant
[1:50:55] the church itself actually has a nice
[1:50:57] curb and a sidewalk um
[1:51:00] so
[1:51:01] they aren't interested in paying
[1:51:03] to have their sidewalks replaced because
[1:51:05] they have sidewalks that are in good
[1:51:07] shape
[1:51:08] however in order to successfully
[1:51:10] complete the project to the level that i
[1:51:12] think everybody at this table wants to
[1:51:14] see
[1:51:15] i do think it's going to be necessary to
[1:51:16] take out at least the churches because
[1:51:19] it is extremely high compared to the
[1:51:21] notes of the road because they built up
[1:51:23] when we're probably going to take the
[1:51:24] road down
[1:51:26] and so the two action items that i kind
[1:51:29] of wanted to discuss with you
[1:51:31] is one
[1:51:33] the possibility of
[1:51:35] setting this program up similarly we
[1:51:38] have in the past which is
[1:51:40] at a rate
[1:51:42] and not based off of market value
[1:51:45] and second
[1:51:47] that we would be okay with in principle
[1:51:50] the city
[1:51:51] um bearing the cost of replacement of
[1:51:54] that compliant particular sidewalk
[1:51:57] so that we can do the project uniformly
[1:52:00] so i included in here to camp avenue
[1:52:02] it's the last page to camp in hartsley
[1:52:04] we did them similarly but the camp is
[1:52:06] more closer in a project
[1:52:09] to north college because it was with
[1:52:10] curb
[1:52:11] um and what you'll see is you know we
[1:52:13] set a price we said it was 55 44
[1:52:16] uniformly applied it now i'm not saying
[1:52:19] we set the price at 55.44 this was a
[1:52:21] couple years ago and i know everyone's
[1:52:23] aware there's inflation and costs but i
[1:52:25] think it would be better for
[1:52:28] the residents
[1:52:29] and for us pushing it if we were to
[1:52:32] set a number
[1:52:34] and this i hate to use the subsidy
[1:52:36] program but essentially be is these
[1:52:38] neighbors and these residents of the
[1:52:39] street are willing to put forward this
[1:52:42] amount of money as degree and then the
[1:52:43] city will you know i've already you know
[1:52:46] we pay for the curb already we pay for
[1:52:47] the pavement already um the only part
[1:52:50] that i included that gets a little
[1:52:52] complicated is as you see in some of
[1:52:54] yours the you know behind the curving
[1:52:56] behind the sidewalk i'm sorry and some
[1:52:58] of the other areas
[1:53:00] this is a very complex project but i
[1:53:02] know that not only the residents but the
[1:53:05] members of the stockade association are
[1:53:08] very interested in seeing you know this
[1:53:10] is their stockade streetscape plan
[1:53:12] really interested in seeing this being
[1:53:13] their first
[1:53:15] uh step at it
[1:53:16] so
[1:53:19] questions comments how we can how we can
[1:53:21] sexually do this
[1:53:23] um
[1:53:24] so um miss brunkel has been working on
[1:53:27] this
[1:53:28] very diligently for quite a long time
[1:53:32] because of the complexity of the project
[1:53:35] as mr wallins spoken about it has taken
[1:53:38] a long time um
[1:53:42] i would the stockade association is very
[1:53:45] much in favor of this i'm sure they'll
[1:53:47] be out
[1:53:48] at a meeting to speak in favor
[1:53:51] um
[1:53:51] but i would encourage us to try to move
[1:53:54] forward with this
[1:53:55] we have set aside
[1:53:57] a chunk of money i believe there's
[1:53:59] several hundred thousand dollars 550 000
[1:54:02] left in the program left in that program
[1:54:06] it would enable us to do this
[1:54:09] and to mr long's point i think it would
[1:54:12] be
[1:54:12] beneficial to set a
[1:54:15] price and
[1:54:16] perhaps a proportion of what the prices
[1:54:19] were
[1:54:20] when we did parsley and those
[1:54:23] and we can get that percentage and do
[1:54:25] similar for
[1:54:27] these individuals because the road was
[1:54:29] just paved it looks beautiful it gets a
[1:54:31] lot of pedestrian it was not we did not
[1:54:34] pave this particular block yet oh all
[1:54:36] right we actually stopped okay because
[1:54:38] we didn't want to pave it and then rip
[1:54:40] it off right it does get a lot of it
[1:54:42] does get a lot of pedestrian
[1:54:44] usage um and it is a
[1:54:47] actually a very key component of the
[1:54:50] walkability of the stockade association
[1:54:54] believes this is one of their most
[1:54:56] traversed by pedestrian corridors
[1:54:58] because it is the gateway from union and
[1:55:01] then people trying to get to the parks
[1:55:04] and so this is the route you would take
[1:55:06] i don't know the situation that led to
[1:55:07] it but the second block has been done uh
[1:55:11] it is in much different condition than
[1:55:12] the first block but the first block is
[1:55:16] i guess the word would be like a
[1:55:17] potpourri of different things it is you
[1:55:20] know era of houses setbacks uh curb
[1:55:23] reveals and it is not the camp it is not parsley it
[1:55:27] is a unique beast unto itself which is
[1:55:30] why you know i think you know if we
[1:55:31] could set that value and then understand
[1:55:33] that it's going to that target's going
[1:55:35] to move a little bit as we go to try to
[1:55:37] get the the product to look like what we
[1:55:40] want it to look like i don't think this
[1:55:41] is something where we want it to look
[1:55:43] like quilt work necessarily
[1:55:46] leaving things
[1:55:47] because it is such a gateway
[1:55:49] and i would have to work with the
[1:55:50] stockade association
[1:55:52] and the residents about
[1:55:55] just how the street is going to be put
[1:55:57] together when we do it there's some
[1:55:59] options that we have which would be you
[1:56:01] know do we try to
[1:56:03] limit the green space and increase the
[1:56:05] width do we want to
[1:56:07] keep the width and hold the green space
[1:56:11] and there's some of the pictures i have
[1:56:12] here you know there's trash cans there's
[1:56:14] a lot of
[1:56:15] it's an urban stockade it's a little bit
[1:56:17] different it's very much different than
[1:56:19] the other projects that we've done in
[1:56:20] the past
[1:56:22] um would this require taking any trees
[1:56:24] down
[1:56:25] yes there would be what the trees that
[1:56:27] are coming those trees that you see in
[1:56:29] this picture obviously
[1:56:31] so these trees right now as it's
[1:56:33] currently constituted will not have to
[1:56:35] come down
[1:56:36] this tree most likely and then all of
[1:56:38] the trees on the other side we would
[1:56:40] take down but those property owners are
[1:56:42] asking us to take them all down because
[1:56:44] all the sidewalks are i'm not
[1:56:46] recommending you put any trees
[1:56:48] on
[1:56:49] the odd side of the street the side
[1:56:52] opposite uh
[1:56:54] i don't want to say it i think it was
[1:56:55] the south side just because there's
[1:56:57] utility lines that run right above it
[1:56:59] the trees are growing right into it and
[1:57:00] the sidewalks are all pitched so if we
[1:57:03] were to do it i would
[1:57:04] the reason i can't push the road that
[1:57:05] way though is where the utility lines
[1:57:07] are so
[1:57:09] i'm not really looking out on anything
[1:57:10] when we when we build it but if trees
[1:57:13] are desired we're going to try to leave
[1:57:14] those trees those aren't affecting
[1:57:15] anything but there are some trees that
[1:57:17] are very much affecting what's going on
[1:57:19] down there all right is this the type of
[1:57:21] place
[1:57:22] no that one i'm going to try to work
[1:57:25] with
[1:57:26] um because in this one they left
[1:57:29] no this one this one's very new when
[1:57:30] they did it but this one they left this
[1:57:32] buffer so i would be hoping that i could
[1:57:34] make upgrade in this buffer the church
[1:57:37] one which i don't know it's a very nice
[1:57:39] looking brand new sidewalk
[1:57:41] they ramped up
[1:57:44] and i understand what they were doing
[1:57:48] but yeah this is it right here you can
[1:57:49] see so what happens is they actually
[1:57:52] ramp up oh i see that and by ramping
[1:57:55] up
[1:57:56] they have six inches reveal over how the
[1:57:58] road is if i were to keep this reveal
[1:58:01] all the way around the road on the south
[1:58:03] side of the street the odd side of the
[1:58:05] street the curve would be higher than
[1:58:07] the first step
[1:58:08] and i would pitch water back to the
[1:58:10] homeless
[1:58:11] so what i need to do is take the road
[1:58:14] down
[1:58:15] so that i can have a minimum curb reveal
[1:58:17] and if i do that the chance is i'm gonna
[1:58:19] have a 10 inch reveal here and we don't
[1:58:21] want that whereas out here see i don't
[1:58:24] have any reveal i could make that work i
[1:58:26] believe
[1:58:28] but i'm probably this road has already
[1:58:29] been scanned as part of the gis program
[1:58:32] that i did so we're probably going to
[1:58:33] have to work with that it's like a 3d
[1:58:35] survey
[1:58:36] because
[1:58:37] it's kind of a nightmare you know like
[1:58:39] we have steps and we have drives
[1:58:42] you know landings that we have hit we
[1:58:43] have to hit all these things but i guess
[1:58:45] i will deal with the nightmare
[1:58:47] if we can come to some agreement of you
[1:58:49] know how we're actually going to go
[1:58:50] forward you know i've kind of worked
[1:58:52] with john and diane and we've gotten to
[1:58:54] a point where now we need your support
[1:58:57] of not only the project but of you know
[1:58:59] the percentages that we have and uh you
[1:59:02] know i can work on this and we can even
[1:59:04] do the public hearing and get people's
[1:59:05] input
[1:59:06] but i don't want to go any farther
[1:59:08] without the support of the council
[1:59:11] are there any questions
[1:59:13] so just some clarity so we said uh the
[1:59:16] four highlighted in yellow are we saying
[1:59:18] that the church and the other buildings
[1:59:21] and one of the city of property
[1:59:23] are you going to redo all four of these
[1:59:25] or it's just that you're going to do a
[1:59:26] man
[1:59:27] so
[1:59:29] down here the vacant lot of the holes is
[1:59:31] it the old charge
[1:59:33] the cottage rose what's that
[1:59:36] oh
[1:59:37] i'm not 18 and 16. so the old church in
[1:59:40] the vacant church lot those are those
[1:59:42] are the ones that we would have to take
[1:59:43] out those are the high ones and they're
[1:59:45] wrong in an old church because it's no
[1:59:46] longer a church it's a stained glass
[1:59:48] company i believe
[1:59:49] and then the american society one that
[1:59:52] was the other one but that one we would
[1:59:53] try to leave i mean i would it'll it'll
[1:59:56] pain me in the
[1:59:57] some of my head or add you to have a
[1:59:59] different color because the stock cave
[2:00:01] moved to a standard where now they want
[2:00:02] this like dark slate color
[2:00:05] but if i can make it work it's such a
[2:00:07] nice piece and it's there or the trees
[2:00:09] that you know i i wouldn't say so we're
[2:00:12] going to keep the
[2:00:13] i right now the idea is everything goes
[2:00:15] but the american decor historical
[2:00:17] society
[2:00:18] and everything else would but we have to
[2:00:22] uh from the entire cause for the other
[2:00:25] three for the only for that cottage
[2:00:27] rover it's just copper
[2:00:29] okay
[2:00:31] because they have a newer curb they made
[2:00:34] the investment i mean it's not you know
[2:00:35] we have
[2:00:36] 500 some thousand dollars in there it's
[2:00:38] nothing and then remember
[2:00:40] the 500 000 i'm using that only for the
[2:00:43] sidewalks
[2:00:45] so if you were to look at my estimate
[2:00:47] you know we are talking about
[2:00:49] roughly let's say
[2:00:51] 120 000
[2:00:53] out of that that's the max and then the
[2:00:56] curve and the
[2:00:57] asphalt and all that that comes out of
[2:00:58] my paving program
[2:01:00] you know i'm not putting that out of the
[2:01:02] sidewalk because we actually have
[2:01:03] almost three other streets that are
[2:01:05] looking to entertain this program so we
[2:01:07] do have some money for them as well and
[2:01:09] then when we get to a level we might
[2:01:11] have to come back and
[2:01:12] rebond for more we're not there yet but
[2:01:15] if it goes forward
[2:01:18] sorry
[2:01:20] yeah you talk about the reduced price
[2:01:22] in terms of setting one at a standard
[2:01:24] price and not what is
[2:01:26] the estimate
[2:01:28] what's the and you're looking at what
[2:01:30] you mean but it's also big bidding
[2:01:32] and a price that comes back from the
[2:01:34] contractor you're asking us to take a
[2:01:37] portion of that
[2:01:39] in-house
[2:01:42] i'm asking that if we were to
[2:01:44] almost set you could set the price today
[2:01:46] i could give you an estimate based off
[2:01:48] of some of the numbers i have because
[2:01:49] we're doing a lot of work right now
[2:01:50] and we would say that this is the number
[2:01:52] that we're comfortable with this is a
[2:01:53] number that the neighborhood's
[2:01:54] comfortable with maybe it's not 55 maybe
[2:01:56] it's 65 and that number works out and
[2:01:58] tell everybody and then whatever the
[2:01:59] bids come back and they come back in and
[2:02:02] we do the work and we don't we don't go
[2:02:05] okay well you owe us 20 more because the
[2:02:07] bid came in higher we just use it as
[2:02:08] some kind of a subsidy some of the
[2:02:10] models used before where
[2:02:12] the city just made up the difference
[2:02:14] where the numbers
[2:02:16] and i was getting there because uh we
[2:02:17] had the problem and we subsidized
[2:02:19] portion of this it was not sell
[2:02:22] correctly across the city people were
[2:02:24] complaining about why am i paying for
[2:02:26] the camp taxpayer paid for the camp or
[2:02:29] parsley
[2:02:30] those residents should bear the entire
[2:02:33] cause
[2:02:34] yeah
[2:02:35] i'm not an elected official my argument
[2:02:37] always is that these are residents that
[2:02:39] are putting skin in the game
[2:02:42] you know i mean this is not this is not
[2:02:43] free you know if they were to put it in
[2:02:45] this is this you know sixty five dollars
[2:02:47] times forty feet you know it's what is
[2:02:49] that twenty three hundred out you know
[2:02:50] that we're we're not giving things away
[2:02:52] but we're trying to subsidize to try to
[2:02:53] make the program work and you know mr
[2:02:55] palmini's been working on this for years
[2:02:57] we've been trying to come up with some
[2:02:59] way to improve our sidewalks so that is
[2:03:02] it i mean
[2:03:03] prior to mayor mccarthy's administration
[2:03:04] remember it was a lottery you know like
[2:03:07] for instance
[2:03:08] wright avenue got all brand new
[2:03:09] sidewalks for free and to camp where i
[2:03:12] am we'd pay you know i get an assessment
[2:03:14] every year so how did that get decided i
[2:03:17] just wanted new sidewalks and it seemed
[2:03:18] like a good program because it was done
[2:03:20] uniformly
[2:03:21] um but i understand that from from that
[2:03:23] but that's what
[2:03:24] yeah
[2:03:26] well no i
[2:03:31] so when um i think i think that's the
[2:03:33] old holy cross church and countertrove
[2:03:35] whatever so when they went ahead and did
[2:03:37] their sidewalks i'm assuming they had a
[2:03:38] permit and
[2:03:40] why didn't someone at that point just
[2:03:42] wanted to know that
[2:03:44] so i don't know when they when they did
[2:03:46] it now number one is that the current
[2:03:48] owner didn't do it so i can't ask them
[2:03:50] the church did it but what they did is
[2:03:52] they put in the curb and they put in the
[2:03:54] sidewalks per our plan based off the
[2:03:56] road but they didn't do it based off
[2:03:58] across the street
[2:04:00] you know they didn't do it based off of
[2:04:01] anything else so
[2:04:02] i think in hindsight yes they shouldn't
[2:04:05] have they should have put the curb in at
[2:04:06] two inches
[2:04:08] but uh i i think that's that is
[2:04:10] difficult i mean and that's why i
[2:04:12] included you know just so you guys so
[2:04:14] you see you know this this picture right
[2:04:16] here the first picture this is the curb
[2:04:18] reveal across the street from the church
[2:04:20] you know it's it's smooth so that's
[2:04:23] where and then and that that step
[2:04:26] right there that is one of my control
[2:04:28] points so i have to build almost the
[2:04:30] entire road
[2:04:32] i have to build the entire road based
[2:04:33] off of that step
[2:04:35] because if i go too high and i pitch
[2:04:37] water into that window
[2:04:38] that and we had that issue at the camp
[2:04:40] where we were being a little too
[2:04:42] stubborn to our city specs
[2:04:45] and we started pitching water
[2:04:47] and so now everything revolves around
[2:04:48] water we have to get the water where it
[2:04:51] needs to go because it results in a lot
[2:04:53] of reworking complaints but the idea of
[2:04:56] subsidy that's for you guys i mean we could say
[2:04:59] no when we can pass it right to them
[2:05:00] that's perfectly acceptable it's just
[2:05:03] it's a big variable that i don't have i
[2:05:04] can't give anybody a number based off of
[2:05:06] the bid right now
[2:05:08] miss patrick so if i hear what mr
[2:05:10] mcveiron is saying and certainly we did
[2:05:12] have um conflict when uh
[2:05:15] we ended up
[2:05:17] we were going to have to charge the
[2:05:19] residents of um to camp and artsley more
[2:05:21] than we had originally told them but i
[2:05:23] think in this instance
[2:05:25] we'll have a realistic price hopefully
[2:05:28] that that mr wall will be setting but if
[2:05:30] we go into it understanding that we
[2:05:32] might have to subsidize on the other end
[2:05:34] if that
[2:05:35] estimate
[2:05:36] uh ends up being a little low would be
[2:05:39] communicating that in advance to the
[2:05:40] residents so i think we would avoid the
[2:05:42] problem that we had before so i want to
[2:05:45] thank mr paul many for working so hard
[2:05:47] on this with ms runfield as you have for
[2:05:50] a while now been working on this um but
[2:05:53] i like the idea that
[2:05:55] if we
[2:05:57] i want to see this happen more and more so
[2:06:00] um i i definitely am in favor of
[2:06:02] actually having a subsidy as well as supporting paying the
[2:06:07] current owner of the property that put
[2:06:10] in the new sidewalks and that we would
[2:06:11] love to tear up um i'd support that as
[2:06:13] well
[2:06:16] so mr rivera mr bellamy so so question
[2:06:19] here uh mr ferrari would this
[2:06:21] neighborhood fall under the city
[2:06:28] then you
[2:06:29] [Music]
[2:06:35] to your point miss patrick the the two
[2:06:38] roads where we did have issues we ended
[2:06:40] up subsidizing them right we made right
[2:06:42] by them with a higher cost and it ended
[2:06:45] up turning out very nice um while it
[2:06:48] wasn't the
[2:06:50] intent
[2:06:51] the fact is it ends up being a
[2:06:53] public-private partnership with our
[2:06:55] residents it raises property values
[2:06:58] it increases the attractability of
[2:07:01] families to the city um
[2:07:04] you know i think it's something that we
[2:07:06] should really
[2:07:08] look to try to do and try to help out
[2:07:10] residents with their sidewalks because
[2:07:12] they are so expensive and
[2:07:14] costs have gone up and
[2:07:16] we have that 500 something 000 set aside
[2:07:19] for this purpose
[2:07:21] and to your point regarding the trees
[2:07:23] it's an excellent point
[2:07:25] but i believe the stockade has a tree
[2:07:29] program
[2:07:31] in place so that would kind of fix some
[2:07:34] of that
[2:07:36] all right so
[2:07:38] mr rivera
[2:07:39] so can we go to the homeowners with an
[2:07:42] estimated price and let them know that
[2:07:44] when the final bid
[2:07:45] comes in
[2:07:46] there will be a revised price and the
[2:07:48] cost will pass pass on to
[2:07:51] the difference with a revised
[2:07:55] so go to them with an estimate
[2:07:58] but with the understanding that after
[2:08:00] it's good that it would be revised yes
[2:08:03] my
[2:08:05] question is just go out for the bid so
[2:08:07] that we've got actual numbers
[2:08:10] right then go back and talk back to the
[2:08:12] council and say
[2:08:13] you're going to set the fee at
[2:08:16] 50 60
[2:08:18] yeah some appropriate number and to see
[2:08:21] what the
[2:08:23] you know
[2:08:24] yeah i can't agree with that because we
[2:08:25] need to give them the the true number uh
[2:08:28] i think we have learned from the streets
[2:08:30] and we did the complaints that we had
[2:08:32] and things like that passing on and out
[2:08:34] of taxpayer complaining if it was in the district of cdbg yes we
[2:08:40] could july cdbg funding that will set
[2:08:42] aside and they also push in that subsidy
[2:08:45] right in the car should pass on directly
[2:08:48] to all the homeowners because the same
[2:08:49] thing we had done for the
[2:08:51] central parkway we passed on the
[2:08:53] estimate we didn't tell them there was
[2:08:56] going to be any subsidy so they put it a
[2:08:58] hole right now trying to
[2:09:00] get the additional homeowners on board
[2:09:02] and everybody board with that price that
[2:09:04] estimated price that was presented
[2:09:06] and we did not tell them that we're
[2:09:07] going to subsidize the camp i'm sorry
[2:09:09] central parkway okay so we wanted to
[2:09:12] appear across the shore central parkway
[2:09:14] has uh i understand that but i don't
[2:09:16] remember that uh even coming to the uh
[2:09:20] public hearing
[2:09:21] and to allow for a discussion to
[2:09:24] subsidize that price no mr wally give us
[2:09:26] an estimate to present to the group
[2:09:29] right i understand that but the public
[2:09:31] hearing would allow them to comment and
[2:09:32] then it would have came back to us to
[2:09:34] either
[2:09:35] say yes with this price or
[2:09:37] okay i'm making up a number it's 80
[2:09:40] dollars
[2:09:41] you know you pay 65 will cover the 15.
[2:09:44] that's all i'm saying is that yeah so
[2:09:45] long just last year when we were doing
[2:09:47] this and we were just passing on the
[2:09:48] console and you were mentioning that
[2:09:50] it's 45 days it's valid for 45 days and
[2:09:52] they were like
[2:09:54] they were asking for subsidy and we're
[2:09:55] like no stop sitting true cause my my
[2:10:00] recommendation it's in conflict with
[2:10:02] yours but my recommendation is that we
[2:10:04] come to some agreement in this program
[2:10:06] and have a set number
[2:10:08] because we have so many people that are
[2:10:10] interested but they don't have a cost
[2:10:12] and that always stops everyone because
[2:10:13] the people that are on the fence always
[2:10:15] say well how much is it going to cost me
[2:10:18] and then we kind of hit a standstill and
[2:10:20] then the prices vary so much and when we
[2:10:22] do the bid and the bid number it could
[2:10:24] be substantial i mean i look at it as
[2:10:27] like i guess we you know
[2:10:28] um is that these are people that are
[2:10:31] they're putting skin in the game to get
[2:10:33] something back the only issue i can see
[2:10:35] as a taxpayer is if you were happy to be
[2:10:37] on the street where you wanted to do it
[2:10:39] but the street wasn't amicable to do it
[2:10:41] so you got caught in a catch 22 because
[2:10:44] we're not looking to do individual
[2:10:46] properties right so then that person can
[2:10:48] be shut out of the program right
[2:10:50] there i could see some conflict but i
[2:10:52] can get a bid i can put this i mean it's
[2:10:55] going to take me a little while if
[2:10:56] that's the direction we want to do
[2:10:57] because this is a like i said we're
[2:10:59] going to need a i'm going to need a
[2:11:00] design on it but if we want to go that
[2:11:01] right it's fine are we okay with these
[2:11:03] numbers moving forward because these are
[2:11:05] the numbers that you know the
[2:11:07] percentages i just want to make sure you
[2:11:08] know there's that because that's kind of
[2:11:11] the step one if you're comfortable with
[2:11:12] that i think then
[2:11:14] that's good i don't want it i don't want
[2:11:15] to come back and you say well there's
[2:11:16] not enough people that are in favor of a
[2:11:17] project because yeah what's their percentage
[2:11:23] some
[2:11:24] six
[2:11:26] seventy seven seventy
[2:11:27] one i think that's fine
[2:11:32] okay yeah all right then i will
[2:11:36] well just as a footnote i think
[2:11:38] if we move forward in this regard and
[2:11:41] follow mr walt's recommendation we could
[2:11:44] always go back to the residents of
[2:11:45] central parkway
[2:11:47] and just say here's what we now
[2:11:49] apologize
[2:11:51] because again remember that um
[2:11:54] it was a new
[2:11:55] program i mean i wasn't on council when
[2:11:57] it first
[2:11:58] started um
[2:12:00] i got to be on council when we got the
[2:12:02] complaints from the residents on the
[2:12:04] other end but um i think
[2:12:07] you know we can always go back to
[2:12:08] central parkway people and maybe they'll
[2:12:10] do it but i just think the more that we
[2:12:11] can grow this program we hear about it
[2:12:14] all the time i'm sure we all do people
[2:12:15] calling about about sidewalks
[2:12:18] so i think it's i think it's a great
[2:12:20] program so
[2:12:21] what are your next um i'm sorry
[2:12:24] so what what are your next
[2:12:26] our next steps here well i guess
[2:12:28] if it sounds like the recommendation is
[2:12:30] to go forward with the design in a bit
[2:12:32] and get numbers and bring them back to
[2:12:34] this group
[2:12:36] um the only thing i will say about that
[2:12:38] is i understand that that is the most
[2:12:40] time-consuming way possible
[2:12:43] for
[2:12:44] me for you so i just if we don't go
[2:12:46] forward you know like like if we if if
[2:12:48] we had something in the paint no so now
[2:12:50] what we're going to do is we're going to
[2:12:51] get the numbers we're going to go to the
[2:12:52] people and we're going to there is a lot
[2:12:54] of time in other words so if they say no
[2:12:57] i just spent a lot of time with bids and
[2:13:00] documents
[2:13:06] and it's always
[2:13:08] just what the final number is and what
[2:13:10] the uh so what we'll go for i just if
[2:13:12] that's the way we're gonna
[2:13:14] it makes sense because hopefully we'll
[2:13:16] have a realistic number exactly i'm
[2:13:18] sorry in this sorry
[2:13:21] the cost
[2:13:22] estimates and the allocation over
[2:13:25] financing again the homeowner is given
[2:13:28] the property owner is given the
[2:13:29] opportunity to just pay up front they
[2:13:32] can pay the number and be done
[2:13:34] or they can finance it this is the 5 10
[2:13:37] 15
[2:13:39] you can go up to 20 years with this it
[2:13:41] creates more
[2:13:42] paperwork in the finance department
[2:13:45] but the sidewalks are going to last over
[2:13:49] 20 years you know it's a major
[2:13:51] investment it's a long term
[2:13:53] improvement in
[2:13:56] sometimes that can make a difference
[2:13:57] people look at what's
[2:13:59] actually going to cost them every year
[2:14:02] you know and if it's
[2:14:03] a couple hundred dollars
[2:14:05] they're much more amenable to it than if
[2:14:06] it's a couple thousand now yeah
[2:14:09] okay okay
[2:14:10] thank
[2:14:20] approximately are we supposed to
[2:14:22] replenish that um
[2:14:37] okay
[2:14:43] um there is at the last on the
[2:14:47] spreadsheet you provided chris
[2:14:49] van dyke law you don't have any footage
[2:14:51] on that are you planning to replace the
[2:14:53] sidewalk no okay i saw the costs
[2:14:55] associated all right no i'm gonna leave
[2:14:57] i was planning on leaving the van dyke
[2:14:59] car okay okay okay
[2:15:01] all right
[2:15:02] so any other questions comments so mr
[2:15:05] wallace it's clear that you'll do some
[2:15:07] work
[2:15:08] well thank you for all the more thanks
[2:15:09] for having me i appreciate that and
[2:15:11] thank you mr palomini along with miss
[2:15:13] uncle yes she was here she must oh she's
[2:15:16] back
[2:15:22] for all the work you put into this so i
[2:15:24] appreciate that yeah so
[2:15:25] do some work
[2:15:27] all right thank you guys all right thank
[2:15:28] you
[2:15:31] okay item on the agenda is the resulting
[2:15:33] of 12 76 78 and 88 uh belmont avenue we
[2:15:38] had a public hearing on
[2:15:40] may 23rd and um
[2:15:43] i don't think anybody actually signed up
[2:15:45] for that public hearing so right now we
[2:15:46] just need to move this out
[2:15:49] so second all those in favor hi hi
[2:15:52] and uh item number five the application
[2:15:55] of the uh overlay historic district
[2:15:57] zoning on 145 barrett street public
[2:15:59] hearing again was on may 23rd and i
[2:16:02] don't believe anyone signed up for that
[2:16:03] either so we have no comments
[2:16:06] in motion
[2:16:07] second
[2:16:08] all those in favor aye aye
[2:16:11] okay item number six ceremonial
[2:16:13] resolution for flag day miss patrick yes
[2:16:15] um we did this last year i'd just like
[2:16:18] to do it again flag day
[2:16:20] is a national holiday that has been
[2:16:22] around for decades and
[2:16:24] recognizes the importance of the flag as
[2:16:27] a unifying
[2:16:30] symbol of our country so i'd just like
[2:16:32] to do this again um and we will have
[2:16:34] somebody coming so this will be at the
[2:16:36] council meeting yes okay
[2:16:39] oh instead of motion so
[2:16:41] second all those in favor
[2:16:44] okay uh ceremony resolution for pride
[2:16:46] month june 1st the 29th
[2:16:48] mr turu yes i'm sorry my tangent i
[2:16:51] couldn't figure out how to type it on my
[2:16:53] computer and print it in the little
[2:16:55] spots that needed to be
[2:16:58] up printed
[2:17:00] but i did it as best as i could so i
[2:17:03] would like to um
[2:17:04] uh present have a ceremony resolution at
[2:17:07] the council meeting um to celebrate
[2:17:10] pride month um i think it's very
[2:17:13] important that we
[2:17:14] with our culture we recognize everyone
[2:17:16] who is involved in our community and um
[2:17:19] plan to have a few
[2:17:21] people present there to get the
[2:17:23] presentation
[2:17:24] so again at the council meeting this
[2:17:25] coming monday all right thank you okay
[2:17:28] emotions so moved
[2:17:31] second all those in favor aye aye
[2:17:34] [Music]
[2:17:35] okay uh next item on the agenda is a
[2:17:37] ceremony resolution
[2:17:39] recognizing june 10th
[2:17:40] so this week this year as we know that
[2:17:42] juneteenth is now actually a national
[2:17:44] holiday um and locally juneteenth these
[2:17:47] celebrations will be on the 17th and the
[2:17:49] 18th of june
[2:17:51] so i would like this uh and we've always
[2:17:53] done this particular resolution but the
[2:17:56] resolution would be presented at the
[2:17:57] actual juneteenth celebration in central
[2:17:59] park on the 18th that's the two o'clock
[2:18:01] i think i saw on the schedule
[2:18:04] okay i think it looked like it wasn't me
[2:18:08] yeah do that
[2:18:10] and uh so i'll move this second all this
[2:18:13] in favor all right
[2:18:14] okay ceremony resolution for caribbean
[2:18:17] american heritage month mr mutaveron
[2:18:20] thank you yes june is recognized as
[2:18:22] caribbean american heritage month and
[2:18:24] i'm requesting a resolution to recognize
[2:18:26] the contribution from the caribbean
[2:18:28] american
[2:18:29] towards our city
[2:18:32] all right the draft was presented and
[2:18:34] this i am
[2:18:36] pushing to have this presented at our
[2:18:38] next meeting if uh at the council
[2:18:39] meeting yes okay
[2:18:41] we got a few
[2:18:42] yeah
[2:18:44] okay it's like notion
[2:18:46] all those in favor
[2:18:49] okay our next uh agenda item is a
[2:18:51] discussion poet laureate mr williams oh
[2:18:54] thank you
[2:18:56] council president uh so i'm excited to
[2:18:57] bring this forward uh definitely poet
[2:19:00] laureates i think to my knowledge we
[2:19:02] haven't had one within the city and they
[2:19:04] exist on governing bodies to read
[2:19:07] poetry to also extend to selective
[2:19:09] readings during just ceremonies hosted
[2:19:12] at the council meetings
[2:19:14] um
[2:19:15] they are put in position at the federal
[2:19:18] and state level however there's a lot of
[2:19:20] legislation online that speaks to
[2:19:22] cities or townships being able to elect
[2:19:24] these types of positions
[2:19:26] there are different caveats as to what
[2:19:29] makes
[2:19:30] a polarity
[2:19:32] and they have stipulations such as
[2:19:34] living within the city uh having
[2:19:35] published various works
[2:19:37] and then also demonstrating a commitment
[2:19:39] to be behind the artwork of of being a
[2:19:42] poet uh and being over the age of 18.
[2:19:45] so some of the reasoning as to why
[2:19:47] electing this type of position i think
[2:19:49] as we
[2:19:50] spoken and then actually had discussions
[2:19:53] about sros it's understanding the
[2:19:56] importance of working collaboratively
[2:19:57] with our school district and definitely
[2:19:59] this position there can be expectations
[2:20:01] put in place to help support literacy
[2:20:03] efforts
[2:20:04] within the city and also combining this
[2:20:06] individual to work with
[2:20:08] libraries
[2:20:09] and functioning as a city official to drive
[2:20:16] being aware of programs or projects
[2:20:19] partnering with those individuals and
[2:20:21] advocating for
[2:20:23] poetry
[2:20:25] just trying to keep my thoughts together
[2:20:28] so
[2:20:29] i saw this position
[2:20:30] honestly just being able to collaborate
[2:20:33] um across our libraries uh with our city
[2:20:36] with our school districts and um being
[2:20:39] able to formalize a process for
[2:20:41] nominating this individual
[2:20:44] i definitely have come across a lot of
[2:20:46] individuals that
[2:20:48] embrace the art form of being poets and
[2:20:51] i think as we intentionally deal with
[2:20:54] incidents such as gun violence i think
[2:20:55] taking the moment to recognize the
[2:20:58] talent that exists within our
[2:20:59] communities
[2:21:00] to allow this position to
[2:21:02] function
[2:21:03] collaboratively with the city council
[2:21:06] kind of serving more or less you have
[2:21:08] individuals that all don't believe in
[2:21:10] god so i think having a position that during our ceremonies is able to
[2:21:16] read a poem or so that captures the
[2:21:18] essence of an unveiling or
[2:21:22] of whatever
[2:21:23] ceremony comes
[2:21:25] before the council i think this can be
[2:21:27] an opportunity for us to just provide an
[2:21:29] outlet
[2:21:30] for this individual
[2:21:34] okay
[2:21:34] so um mr williams tell me about this i
[2:21:37] told when i think the first time i got
[2:21:39] uh when i was sworn in i actually had
[2:21:42] someone they wrote a problem for me so
[2:21:43] you know i have a real polar glory but
[2:21:45] that's supposed to be every guy so um
[2:21:49] do you is there what if there's a
[2:21:50] methodology for
[2:21:52] you know how to go about this is it
[2:21:54] something that needs to
[2:21:56] um be part of our code
[2:21:58] how does this
[2:21:59] happen
[2:22:00] based on what your understanding is from
[2:22:02] other places that they have it so this
[2:22:03] would more or less be just a discussion
[2:22:06] item now to see if the interest from the
[2:22:08] council is to embrace this uh very much
[2:22:09] it'd be a nominated a nomination so an
[2:22:12] individual would come before us
[2:22:14] either being self-identified or being
[2:22:17] recommended by someone else
[2:22:19] we would need to put in place a
[2:22:20] committee again i think would be
[2:22:22] important to have an advocate from the
[2:22:24] library to have an advocate from the
[2:22:26] school district to also include a
[2:22:29] member of the community
[2:22:30] and these individuals would kind of
[2:22:32] monitor this role
[2:22:34] but there could be various expectations
[2:22:36] with uh how many public forums or events
[2:22:38] that this individual was meant to host
[2:22:40] uh how many uh readings they would need
[2:22:42] to come before the council with uh so
[2:22:44] again this being a new position we could
[2:22:46] make it whatever we wanted to but again
[2:22:48] this would be someone that could come to
[2:22:50] our council meetings um introduce a poem
[2:22:53] based on a special item that comes comes
[2:22:56] up uh or they can just be a quarterly
[2:22:59] accordion but it honestly can be a
[2:23:01] little bit like it
[2:23:04] were you considering
[2:23:06] that
[2:23:07] this person would receive an honorarium
[2:23:09] because there would be the expectations
[2:23:11] i'm familiar with this position
[2:23:14] especially through the new york state
[2:23:16] writers institute which is the
[2:23:18] organization that names the poet
[2:23:20] laureate and the writer
[2:23:22] the state writer
[2:23:24] and they have a big ceremony every year
[2:23:26] in which they do that
[2:23:27] there is a lot of expectation in terms
[2:23:29] of when i think about
[2:23:31] some of the previous united states
[2:23:32] politics for example they either did you
[2:23:35] know weekly poetry that would be in the
[2:23:37] newspaper or
[2:23:39] certainly working
[2:23:41] with
[2:23:42] youth
[2:23:43] to try to increase literacy so
[2:23:47] it does have work that will come with it
[2:23:50] and i was wondering
[2:23:51] about an honorarium i'm also wondering
[2:23:53] if you've spoken to the libraries or to
[2:23:56] the library or to the school district to
[2:23:59] assess their interest in in this is the
[2:24:01] school district
[2:24:03] obviously the mission of the library
[2:24:04] system is literacy um it's something
[2:24:06] that's part of the both the adult
[2:24:08] librarian as well as the youth services
[2:24:10] librarian's job
[2:24:13] but also within our school district
[2:24:15] there's a huge
[2:24:16] literacy
[2:24:17] uh
[2:24:18] area
[2:24:20] i just
[2:24:20] blanked on the name of the woman that is
[2:24:22] our literacy coordinator for the school
[2:24:24] district
[2:24:25] so i think you know i just was wondering
[2:24:27] if you'd had an opportunity to talk to
[2:24:29] any of them
[2:24:30] about this
[2:24:32] so i'd say uh to your live point i think
[2:24:34] it's important as a council that we're
[2:24:36] all on the same page i never want to get
[2:24:37] ahead of myself and also kind of speak
[2:24:39] for a topic that the council hasn't been
[2:24:41] able to
[2:24:42] dialogue over so definitely this is the
[2:24:44] first time i'm bringing it up as you
[2:24:46] mentioned there are advocates that exist
[2:24:48] in those other areas that are doing this
[2:24:50] work so i think putting it in place
[2:24:52] around an actual role
[2:24:55] similar to your previous point of view a
[2:24:57] lot of expectations that's why i think
[2:24:59] it's important to have those
[2:25:01] requirements of you're already doing
[2:25:02] this work you're already posting and
[2:25:04] being visible in public you already have
[2:25:06] a number of works already published you
[2:25:08] want to kind of empower an individual
[2:25:10] that's already in place this very much
[2:25:12] is not a position for someone who is
[2:25:14] thinking about becoming the poet you're
[2:25:16] very much looking at someone that is
[2:25:17] already a pillar in the community and
[2:25:19] using this as a title of his designation
[2:25:21] to assist them in their efforts i don't
[2:25:23] know if you would recommend or
[2:25:25] referencing a
[2:25:26] moratorium with like compensation um
[2:25:29] or an honorary with compensation uh i
[2:25:31] think
[2:25:33] mr ferrari whenever you talk about like
[2:25:35] adding a budget line out of season it's
[2:25:44] i think it's important to make sure this
[2:25:46] is
[2:25:47] a position that that is well received by
[2:25:50] the council in the city and then if it
[2:25:52] is something that works fluently
[2:25:54] potentially having that conversation but
[2:25:55] i think at this point very much it would
[2:25:57] be based on volunteer terrorism
[2:26:01] any
[2:26:02] questions or comments from other council
[2:26:04] members
[2:26:06] um
[2:26:07] so i think it's i think it's a good idea
[2:26:09] we actually have an official song and we
[2:26:11] even actually got a new song from
[2:26:13] like a few years ago then we had our
[2:26:15] official song and then someone else did
[2:26:16] a new song so we have an official song
[2:26:18] so um i i think it's a good idea um and
[2:26:22] yes no honorarium right now but i think
[2:26:24] that um
[2:26:26] just based on what you've said and also
[2:26:28] what ms patrick has said that it does
[2:26:30] require a lot of duties and so we should
[2:26:32] consider putting something in the budget
[2:26:34] and i don't know what that number would
[2:26:35] look like if we um
[2:26:37] if we move forward with this
[2:26:40] um so
[2:26:42] i i personally would say that it's
[2:26:43] something that we should you know look
[2:26:45] forward
[2:26:46] look into and then the entities that you
[2:26:48] mentioned we would see how they would
[2:26:50] once would be able to embrace that
[2:26:52] is anyone yes mr williams so i'd say if
[2:26:54] appropriate i can reach out
[2:26:57] to those individuals who try to talk
[2:26:58] offline about who is already doing this
[2:27:01] work and then getting their opinions and
[2:27:02] having them come back to our next
[2:27:03] meeting
[2:27:05] did you have your hand up
[2:27:07] mr toro oh no i didn't but
[2:27:09] that's a good idea so you know as far as
[2:27:12] carmel's point i'm not well versed in
[2:27:13] this myself i think she is with her
[2:27:16] history and her past work and of course
[2:27:18] her husband um so if you want to you
[2:27:20] know reach out to the school and the
[2:27:22] library and then present it again um
[2:27:25] you know
[2:27:27] in the times that we're in i i think
[2:27:29] it's nice to have a little peace and
[2:27:31] tranquility but there's so many other
[2:27:33] important things that we really need to
[2:27:35] focus on
[2:27:36] as far as our city
[2:27:38] but if you want to go ahead and do that
[2:27:40] i
[2:27:41] absolutely go ahead
[2:27:44] yes
[2:27:45] would you mind clarifying what you meant
[2:27:47] with that well just i mean you spoke
[2:27:48] earlier on the gun violence i mean you
[2:27:50] know that's you know things that we
[2:27:52] really need to concentrate on and um but
[2:27:55] then again bringing some peace in with a
[2:27:56] poet and you know making our meetings
[2:28:01] you know
[2:28:02] more peaceful and you know things so but
[2:28:05] again you know that's you know if you
[2:28:07] want to do it that's fine
[2:28:10] mr williams i'm sorry
[2:28:12] just for response i think
[2:28:15] highlighting the component of addressing
[2:28:17] literacy within the community is
[2:28:19] definitely a very strong um point
[2:28:21] we deal with uh
[2:28:23] what are this true origin of mental
[2:28:25] health and it definitely comes from
[2:28:27] various
[2:28:28] elements so there's no one-sided
[2:28:30] approach and i think as a council we all
[2:28:31] have our niches
[2:28:33] so i think allowing members to
[2:28:35] broad branch off and then address
[2:28:37] multiple things but then collectively
[2:28:39] work on a number of issues make sure
[2:28:41] that we have a diverse approach
[2:28:43] so definitely this is not the only thing
[2:28:44] that i'm considering or being aware of
[2:28:47] however i definitely understand the
[2:28:49] power of reading and i think having an
[2:28:51] advocate that is already doing this work
[2:28:53] and supporting them as a council will
[2:28:55] have
[2:28:55] monumentous benefits uh for for not only
[2:28:58] our youth but also households right yes been working on behalf of the
[2:29:03] city with the library and the city
[2:29:05] school district
[2:29:06] and let me add to that that um you know
[2:29:08] a lot of people are impacted by poetry
[2:29:10] by songs and there's you know so it's
[2:29:13] not
[2:29:13] maybe for some it's really just another
[2:29:15] form of art and right now we're seeing a
[2:29:17] lot of public art in our city so i think
[2:29:19] that as we embrace um different things
[2:29:21] in different ways to reach different
[2:29:23] people and communicate with people is
[2:29:24] important so um and whatever ways that
[2:29:27] we can do that and become a more united
[2:29:30] group of people within the city within
[2:29:32] the country and all of that so i i think
[2:29:34] it's worthwhile exploring and i would
[2:29:37] support it and if there's
[2:29:39] is everyone pretty much in support of us
[2:29:42] moving forward and looking into this
[2:29:44] just want to gauge the interest before
[2:29:45] we have mr williams do all this and then
[2:29:48] come back and say
[2:29:49] no
[2:29:50] so
[2:29:52] please reach out to the agencies that
[2:29:54] you mentioned
[2:29:55] and get all the information needed and
[2:29:56] bring it back to us and we'll move
[2:29:58] forward
[2:29:59] i think it's one thing we should do mr
[2:30:01] maybe
[2:30:02] i really don't see it a big purpose for
[2:30:05] this um i think maybe it'd be better for
[2:30:08] the county level
[2:30:10] with the dealing with the school
[2:30:12] districts across the county as well as
[2:30:14] the library system
[2:30:16] that might be the better arena for us
[2:30:20] and i think
[2:30:21] if we were to go that route that's
[2:30:22] something i could support but
[2:30:25] certainly no honorarium as far as i'm
[2:30:27] concerned
[2:30:29] poetry does have an important place in
[2:30:31] our culture in our society
[2:30:33] as does all artwork but
[2:30:36] given everything that's going on and all
[2:30:40] the issues that we have
[2:30:41] um
[2:30:43] just have a hard time getting behind us
[2:30:45] when when we have to tackle some of
[2:30:47] those issues um and i think again i
[2:30:50] think it would be more appropriate at
[2:30:52] the county level
[2:30:54] uh well we have at least five people are
[2:30:55] in sport a bit today so um
[2:30:58] look forward and bring it back to us
[2:31:00] thank you all right
[2:31:01] thank you for taking time to look into
[2:31:03] that
[2:31:04] all right the last two items are
[2:31:07] for executive session for property sales
[2:31:10] so it's actually three years
[2:31:16] okay no wait one second i'd like to so
[2:31:19] the last two elections are going to be
[2:31:20] executive so i need to recess
[2:31:23] um
[2:31:24] development planning third item will be
[2:31:26] executive sessions right as well but i
[2:31:28] need to open claims so i need to recess
[2:31:32] the development plan
[2:31:34] all those in favor all right all right
[2:31:35] we're recessed
[2:31:36] somebody has a call i am going to do
[2:31:38] that
[2:31:40] i'd like to open flames
[2:31:46] okay so
[2:31:48] it comes down to you and i tried
[2:31:50] so
[2:31:51] we'd like to
[2:31:53] go into executive session for planes
[2:31:56] could i get a motion to do so
[2:31:58] and i'll second it all in favor okay
[2:32:05] public has to leave