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there's

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july 5th

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2022 okay

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first committee is finance

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mr motaveron thank you call to order

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finance committee first item of

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discussion city towing service request

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for proposal

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thank you very much

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all right so a couple things uh the

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first one i believe you guys all

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received the city

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towing proposal

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we

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have been on the contract for about two

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years now so we met with the finance and

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law department to put together

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this rfp that we want to set up it's

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there's a few changes in here that the

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city is looking for we'll be able to tow

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larger vehicles be able to store larger

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vehicles right now we're going to have a

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we're looking to have as many um

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co-agencies that are willing to

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put in protocols so we have some options

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and choices

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they put a point system in place for how

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they would be

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graded as far as what their services are

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are you looking for us to move something

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here because i have seen that discussion

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no no this is just that you guys think

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we want to put this out we just wanted

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to show you guys if you guys any

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questions or anything

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go ahead please

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this doesn't have to be approved by the

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council because we're not paying any of

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the tow companies um this is more of an

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assistant chief whipple said

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there are certain fees that we're going

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to start requiring are charged

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particularly those larger vehicles have

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boats rbs things along those lines that

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also we didn't have anything in our

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contract specifically related to

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the off-road vehicles the motors the

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dirt bikes and the four-wheelers

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incorporating that which obviously leads

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the next item is called for public

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hearing amending the code of the city of

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connecticut section

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okay so right now it was passed since it

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was last year um right now that the

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by code that's 70

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for a total fee and twenty dollars a day

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and we want to open up the public

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carrier so that that can be changed by

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resolution if you guys decide that you

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wanna change the fees any time

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companies didn't want to tow for the 70

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the higher fee so it's strictly to

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change as ac whipple said the fee

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structure to remove the set amount

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instead modify the code to say to be set

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council wouldn't have to have a new call

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instead you would just pass a resolution

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all in favor aye thank you

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all in favor aye thank you thank you

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so i'd like to call the board of the

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public safety committee we have two

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appointment and i'll be discussed by

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different entities within the community

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second awesome favorite all right

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the second item on the agenda tonight is

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discussion installing speed humps and

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i'll be discussed by council president

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um as you know the last um committee

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meeting we talked about this and mr

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wrong said you've done some research and

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for us so that's what we're gonna be

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week after we discussed it with myself

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regarding what we talked about here

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about speed bumps in the city of

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magazine we looked at some locations

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kind of based upon criteria that we

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not private streets uh parallel roads

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where we think we may have issues based

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anything formal yet one of the reasons

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is that we have been trying to also loop

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in the fire department we just got some

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of their comments back today

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an impediment to fire trucks as talking

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with our the vendors they have said that has come up in the past so he is

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okay with these particular locations

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zones they're both non-priority roads

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purchasing operator that we have source

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ac whitman has contacted them about

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availability in lead time looking at

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trying to put some measures together

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where we're going to record the speeds

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duane avenue for a period of no less

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using some incognito things things that

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some of the optical sensors that we have

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dwayne this year because we like to put

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the installations out for a minimum of

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eight weeks couple of months because it

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does take some effort to put it in when

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you take them out you have to do some

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road repair because they get driven into

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the ground with essentially spikes so

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they will you know they will mark up the

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asphalt because they can't be shifting

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we kind of come back to you with some

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think we like to internally work both

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with ourselves over the council on what

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the long term program is this like are we going to model the

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city of rochester where they use a

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petition you know or are we going to

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have it be you know the council is going

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to decree where they want to put these i

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mean we would still under some guidance

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we would still advise that we don't have

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them on priority roads in certain areas

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but when you start using the guideline

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no parallel roads

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and no priority streets the streets get

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really whittled down very quickly to

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only a select few we did talk about is

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this a program that we try to use only

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maybe in school zones

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or these two are both in school zones so

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we want to focus on areas that have

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school zones in them or is that you know

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the school zone technically they're

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supposed to be driving 15 during their

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he reached out to the city of albany did hire uh craig and

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manning put together a memorandum

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and the memorandum we talked about speed

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hump specifically and they did invest

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almost approximately half a million

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dollars in installing permanent speed

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bumps uh on first second and third

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avenues in the uh harbor hill

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we have some details on that the uh the

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uh we just got an approval that you know

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to share it we wanted to share it so

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next time if i put together a whole

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package i'll include that memo because i

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didn't want to share it without you know

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just being said that we could because i

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didn't want to put them on the spot but

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um you know that is the next level

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you know these speed bumps that all when

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they put in are milled paved painted

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permanent signage half a million dollars

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that they dealt with through an

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engineering solution i don't think we're

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there yet but it's not to say that we

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couldn't be i don't think we have an

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at least not to my knowledge or any of

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uc whipple's that has brought to itself

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to that level where we're looking to put

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something out here like that

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so um that's where we are right now

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where fire chief just said that we are

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okay to put him at these locations so we

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are going to work with the vendor and uh

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our purchasing department on getting

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some orders in in the meantime they are

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looking at getting the detections for

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the speed cameras and then you know

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prepping and getting ogs and everything

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but these are only two locations i mean

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they could change if you think that you

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know they were kind of looked at from a

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just from our perspective

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we could move them around afterwards but

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right now that's where we're headed

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oh will there be signs to let people

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know oh yes yes that's john

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we have a sign department so john is

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going to be making signs we're going to

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have signs that say

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bump ahead and then bump so for each

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pair there would be six signs there'll

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be 12 12 new signs in general so

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six one way six the other for the three

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so one more question um so um how how

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many would be you said um um like so a

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length is like from what you said on

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dwindling from craig craig to brandywine

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so how many would be on that stretch

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and we're looking at space and there is

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a stop sign there yes so we are looking

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to space them so that you know uh you

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know the stop sign is acting as its own

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as a speed determining device um you

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know there is a school zone there so you

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should be slowing down

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but you know we are kind of looking just

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to use this as a record we're gonna have

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a couple of protection units to see

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where we are you know there is always

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the

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fear of people you go over it and you

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speed up

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so that's why on the longer stretch

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ongoing we want to have two

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um because we really don't want people

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being like well i have to make up time

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which is always a concern with these

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type of devices and also you know we

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would pull them out prior to that

341
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we won't have them down for the power

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season but if we go permanent like

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albany and town and colony you know they

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use indicator posts on either side so

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the plows know to lift their blades and

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go over thanks

347
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yes i just have a couple of questions

348
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thanks chris um

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if someone doesn't lower their speed

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and goes over the bump and

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causes damage to their vehicle is there

352
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a chance that that would have any

353
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liability for the city that was brought

354
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up to me in i'm not 100 on that

355
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i'll have to look into it with andrew

356
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and he's you know

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about what liabilities that we have

358
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someone that just keeps going keep going

359
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doesn't mind the signs doesn't mind the

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speed limit goes over the speed bump

361
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does damage to that yeah i'd have to

362
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imagine this is something that is you

363
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know played out a hundred times you know

364
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we're not going to be the first city to

365
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put speed bumps clearly so we'll we'll

366
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try to get something in place to find

367
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out what it is okay thanks and then in

368
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terms of removing them as you mentioned

369
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um especially you know these are going

370
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to be temporary and trying to pilot and get some data and some results

371
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um what would be can you also tell us

372
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what the cost will be

373
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um if we don't if we decide not to put

374
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them back or you know in terms of

375
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removing them if you're putting them

376
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into the ground if you're having to do

377
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repair to the to yeah what i'm hoping is

378
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we get a clean install i'm hoping that

379
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we can use we have a

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like a hot in place epoxy truck it's the

381
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patcher that you see where the oak in

382
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our roads we have a really kind of a

383
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slick looking pothole that looks like a

384
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different than an what i'm

385
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hoping is that working with mike cerrone

386
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and our streets department will be able

387
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to infill them with with that material

388
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almost like a hot glue

389
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i don't know how well but they didn't

390
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point out i think it was that i just

391
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want to usually they hear the concerns

392
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when they put them down like you know

393
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they hit them in uh these are

394
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considerable size units i mean there's

395
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going to be a fork truck is going to be

396
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involved or a front-end loader you know

397
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because we're talking about the entire

398
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width of the street they are i believe

399
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14 it's 14 feet in width

400
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because where you know we have to go

401
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with a 30 mile per hour

402
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if it was a parking lot and you said the

403
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speed limit was 10. it could be a little

404
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smaller but because of the speed they

405
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actually are wider more of a more of a

406
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speed uh hump than a bump right so uh so

407
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we're i mean we're learning kind of as

408
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we go too we've i thought we made some

409
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good steps we have some good information

410
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uh you know before and then you know as

411
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we go just to tell you about other

412
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products there are other products if we

413
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wanted to do like priority roads if

414
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somehow that were to come up they make a

415
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product where

416
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emergency vehicles

417
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could straddle the product

418
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they're called uh they're more of a

419
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they're more of these smaller faults so

420
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instead of having one you put like three

421
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and then a fire truck would straddle the

422
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issue with that that we see is that

423
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people may try to straddle it and that

424
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will cause more issues than we would

425
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think without a uniform you know it's

426
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similar if you go to a parking lot that

427
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has a speed bump and there's parking

428
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spaces on either side you usually just

429
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go around it yeah you don't go over it

430
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so that's what we're kind of trying to

431
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avoid

432
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uh thank you thank you chris for doing a

433
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lot of research i i actually read up on

434
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it because i really think you know this

435
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the speeding that happens not only in

436
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our city but

437
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everywhere and i'm really concerned with

438
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safety so i i thought about those rumble

439
00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:17,760
strips you know

440
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like when you fall asleep and you

441
00:19:19,679 --> 00:19:21,039
go to the side of the road and it wakes

442
00:19:21,039 --> 00:19:25,679
you up but um in in researching that um

443
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it's

444
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it it can work for

445
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um speeding just bring your attention

446
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you know to the fact that oh something's

447
00:19:33,679 --> 00:19:35,760
going on but not recommend it for so

448
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that kind of threw that out

449
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but there were quite a few lawsuits that

450
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i read about with

451
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speed bumps

452
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um municipalities were facing with

453
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damage to cars people falling over them

454
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just people walking and falling over so so i saw

455
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that as well

456
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and and it basically came down to the

457
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best thing for traffic calming is

458
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lowering the speed limit which miss

459
00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:02,320
patrick

460
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did bring up i mean you know um but

461
00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,760
anyway yeah so um there's a lot

462
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of research you know to do between

463
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andrew and

464
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you know what what liabilities it might

465
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bring on the city so yeah

466
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okay yep and i'll i'll loop andrew into

467
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our into our discussions as you see and

468
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like i said we have a good direction for

469
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all of you we'll see how they get out of

470
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this button

471
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yeah could you share the information on

472
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the what you wish

473
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so he doesn't have to like do that work

474
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over absolutely

475
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any other questions or comments

476
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so in support would you like to

477
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keep this on the internet for after two

478
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weeks

479
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let us get a little bit and i'll touch

480
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base about when we put it on just

481
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is there any opposition to the first

482
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test location i guess that would be the thought is everybody kind of on

483
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board these are not permanent locations

484
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so if that's

485
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we have that buying i think that's the

486
00:21:02,159 --> 00:21:04,000
first step and we have the money and we

487
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have it on contract so we can move

488
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forward

489
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great yes

490
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yeah i think instead of asking us you

491
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might want to ask the neighborhood

492
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because they're going to be the ones

493
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hearing the noise and most impact

494
00:21:16,799 --> 00:21:18,559
well i mean i guess that's the the next

495
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part of it is that do we want to get to

496
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that level i mean

497
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you know the city of rochester that's

498
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where they start they start with more of

499
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a neighborhood petition and the petition

500
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starts more like uh the sidewalk program

501
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but that will undoubtedly add some time

502
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so but once again this is more about i

503
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don't want to push it back to the

504
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council but it is a kind of a council

505
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initiative that we're working on if we

506
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like to because that was one of the

507
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things uh i wasn't in this era but uh mr

508
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culture did tell me that at some point

509
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there were speed pumps uh dipped dips at

510
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eastern avenue and they were removed due

511
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to noise complaints

512
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those were permanent because they were

513
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actually in the asphalt or these are

514
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temporary but there will be some

515
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substantial labor to put these in

516
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um so i know for me personally i

517
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definitely agree with trying something

518
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,799
it's been an ongoing issue and there's

519
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been a lot of work and effort that's

520
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,480
already been invested in this

521
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alternative so or at least a trial list

522
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and like you said it's not permanent so

523
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if there are better options we'll have

524
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the ability to uh remove the address

525
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so if there are no further items to the

526
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following i'll see can i get an

527
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error so second favorite all right thank

528
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you

529
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so uh i'd like to call a government

530
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operations

531
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we've got two items on the agenda

532
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um first of all discussion around philly

533
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positions within the city workforce

534
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discussed by um

535
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thank you so we talked about this a

536
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couple of weeks ago because we talked

537
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about how many openings we have

538
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and um whether we should do something a

539
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little bit permanent in terms of

540
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expanding the residency to the county

541
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and not just people who live within the

542
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city

543
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so there was there's some who were in

544
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favor of that and some who weren't with

545
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what the discussion was is that the

546
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mayor uh if we

547
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um

548
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submitted someone who lived in the

549
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county and did not live within the city

550
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then it would be up to um the residency

551
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,559
board actually to um that the mayor

552
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would have to convene in order to for us

553
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to give away or not

554
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so at this point

555
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time what um

556
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i'm recommending is that we um look at

557
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putting our making sure that we

558
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can be in the residency board and i

559
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,760
would have to ask the mayor when's the

560
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last time the board um met

561
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because i would know i don't know the

562
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answer to that because it doesn't meet

563
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,240
regularly

564
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,240
it's

565
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,880
called my discretion the last time it

566
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,919
met was to entertain the waiver for

567
00:23:53,919 --> 00:23:57,110
commissioner islands

568
00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:59,520
so and

569
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,520
so we have so the members of the

570
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:08,310
are board by me

571
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,320
and corporation council and

572
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:11,760
the council presidents what i understand

573
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,320
all three of us have um opportunity to

574
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,230
be a part of that

575
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,000
i think like i think the code speaks to

576
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:20,960
who's

577
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:21,919
uh

578
00:24:21,919 --> 00:24:23,520
who's on the other hand

579
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,240
i don't think that's correct

580
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,000
well mr colvin gave us the code last

581
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,760
time and that's what i found okay that's

582
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,360
what it says

583
00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:32,720
so um

584
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,720
so what i would like to us to at least

585
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,039
have the the board

586
00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:39,600
ready when people start um submitting i

587
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,600
know that at least one council member

588
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,679
has told me that he submitted

589
00:24:43,679 --> 00:24:44,960
someone sending an application who

590
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,279
doesn't live within the county and so

591
00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:48,480
when that person comes forward that the

592
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,000
board be already the time for us to be

593
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:55,990
able to um to look at that application

594
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,400
i don't know where it is at this point

595
00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:59,760
i don't think they wouldn't send it

596
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:00,799
directly to you they would go through

597
00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:02,480
the normal process to see if they met

598
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,640
the criteria if council members have

599
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,880
names send it to me i'm the appointing

600
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,039
authority some people they'll get hired

601
00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:10,240
unless

602
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:11,679
well they want to make sure they qualify

603
00:25:11,679 --> 00:25:15,600
for the position first and then

604
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,679
okay so um again

605
00:25:19,679 --> 00:25:20,960
we could talk about that mirror but i

606
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,480
would like first to have the board ready

607
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,320
when that opportunity comes

608
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:34,070
um so we can appoint people

609
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,480
um but

610
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,000
i mean doesn't that just assume that we

611
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,159
are indeed going to um

612
00:25:40,159 --> 00:25:42,640
convene the residency board instead of

613
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,840
what the practice has been in terms of

614
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,919
the mayor appointing his own

615
00:25:47,919 --> 00:25:50,870
hires

616
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,640
i mean why would why would we jump to

617
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,720
that step without first

618
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,480
thinking again about whether the council

619
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,480
was in favor of changing residency

620
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,400
requirements it's not changing anything

621
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,000
the residency board is already written

622
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,679
into the code it exists

623
00:26:03,679 --> 00:26:05,279
so what the mayor said is that if there

624
00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:07,200
are people within the county

625
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,720
who did not live in the city and want to

626
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,760
apply then he would have to then then we

627
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:12,799
would have to look at giving them a

628
00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:15,440
waiver and that waiver is

629
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,279
the mayor convenes a residency board but

630
00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:19,760
the residency board is one that actually

631
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,840
um votes on that

632
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,320
so we haven't changed anything

633
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,480
okay that hasn't been the practice right

634
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,000
i think that the mayor has been able to

635
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,520
use his discretion

636
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,360
on whether he wanted to waive a

637
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:32,799
requirement

638
00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:35,440
no you can hire anybody wherever they

639
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,240
live for six months then we have to go

640
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,950
to

641
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,080
the presidency review board i have not

642
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,919
done it for part-time positions or

643
00:26:47,919 --> 00:26:50,159
temporary

644
00:26:50,159 --> 00:26:52,320
positions have been some that might have

645
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,799
gone over the six months

646
00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:56,159
but they're more

647
00:26:56,159 --> 00:26:58,159
technical issues than you know a

648
00:26:58,159 --> 00:27:00,159
permanent competitive position within

649
00:27:00,159 --> 00:27:03,110
civil service

650
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:03,840
so

651
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:08,870
i'm scientifically

652
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,000
i don't know what our current job

653
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,919
announcements state but we'll be able to

654
00:27:11,919 --> 00:27:13,679
update it to say that

655
00:27:13,679 --> 00:27:15,600
pending for the review or there's this

656
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,600
residency board that is willing to make

657
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,669
a determination

658
00:27:21,679 --> 00:27:23,760
i'm sorry i can say that one more time

659
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,080
so if there's if there's a cohort that's

660
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,159
going to review residency requirements

661
00:27:28,159 --> 00:27:30,720
so is that outlined on job applications

662
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,279
or job announcements that this is an

663
00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:35,840
option if you go outside of the city

664
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,600
just people aren't aware of it

665
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,840
it's i think the

666
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,880
general emphasis has been

667
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,200
that you can be appointed but within six

668
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,320
months you have to move to the city and

669
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,919
i have not

670
00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:52,159
advocated for the residency review board

671
00:27:52,159 --> 00:27:53,760
because i believe people should live in

672
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,120
the city

673
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:57,440
their employees

674
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,950
and i i

675
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,480
that but i'm you know i'm looking at the

676
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,399
big picture in the real the reality is

677
00:28:04,399 --> 00:28:06,559
we just really understaff and many many

678
00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:07,919
departments are

679
00:28:07,919 --> 00:28:09,200
um

680
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,200
so as and i know it's been said that

681
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,399
it's happening all over the country

682
00:28:12,399 --> 00:28:14,320
however it's happening here so it's up

683
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,159
to us to figure out a resolution for

684
00:28:16,159 --> 00:28:18,320
that so um for that reason i think that

685
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:19,919
we should really consider

686
00:28:19,919 --> 00:28:22,559
expanding the residency to the county um

687
00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:24,960
if we're not there at this point in time

688
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,399
and i definitely um which i would

689
00:28:26,399 --> 00:28:27,679
definitely want to revisit make sure

690
00:28:27,679 --> 00:28:30,480
that we make a final decision on that

691
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,640
but that we should um at least make sure

692
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,640
the residency board is prepared if

693
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,720
someone meets all of the qualification

694
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,440
gets hurt referred to the mayor and um

695
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,120
need that waiver because

696
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,559
some if they're not willing to move

697
00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:45,520
within the city for in six months um

698
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,120
then people aren't going to want to take

699
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,200
a job that at any given time they could

700
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,440
lose so that to me is the reason that we

701
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,120
want to make sure that we give them that

702
00:28:53,120 --> 00:29:08,310
waiver

703
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,789
is

704
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:14,960
so we have with us

705
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,880
okay yes

706
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,120
we have with us david hogan camp uh

707
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,000
mitchell

708
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,399
and richard tierney all

709
00:29:22,399 --> 00:29:26,950
to our two county legislators and

710
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,799
the land bank is going to actually uh

711
00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:31,039
before he um asked about the appointment

712
00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:32,799
just wants to give us a little bit um

713
00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:34,480
background on what the land bank's been

714
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,549
doing for the last 10 years

715
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:40,480
so thank you are you gonna talk i'll

716
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,159
talk a little bit if it's okay with you

717
00:29:42,159 --> 00:29:44,480
it's fine with me so good to you very

718
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,640
good madam president mr mayor council

719
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,039
members i thank you very much mr

720
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:51,200
chairman i thank you for having us here

721
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,679
tonight we do have two um

722
00:29:53,679 --> 00:29:56,799
items one is a request for a

723
00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:58,159
reappointment of one of our board

724
00:29:58,159 --> 00:30:01,360
members but we thought because it's july

725
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,000
in july of

726
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,799
2012 we incepted the land bank

727
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:10,159
some former members that were here

728
00:30:10,159 --> 00:30:12,960
within this government body

729
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,120
and we've had a pretty successful

730
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,000
10-year run and i thought it would be

731
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,799
helpful educational and

732
00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:22,559
insightful to show you what we've been

733
00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:24,720
doing over the last 10 years with

734
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,600
dollars that we have recovered or that

735
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,120
were awarded from the 2008 foreclosure

736
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,159
crisis in which our attorney generals uh

737
00:30:34,159 --> 00:30:36,480
took the action to go after financial

738
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,559
institutions and recover some of the

739
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:40,640
damage that was done to our communities

740
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,159
so um

741
00:30:42,159 --> 00:30:44,320
just to start off right our mission

742
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,240
statement it's all about strengthening

743
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,520
neighborhoods through removing light

744
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,000
and removing structures that are as mr

745
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,000
merrill would say the worst of the worst

746
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,600
right so improvement of those existing

747
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,679
structures and returning vacant and

748
00:30:57,679 --> 00:31:00,559
abandoned property to productive use

749
00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:02,880
and we've done quite a bit of that over

750
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,360
the last 10 years

751
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,039
we've got a

752
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:09,039
10 minute excuse me two four six seven

753
00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:10,320
member

754
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:11,440
board

755
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,159
you can see how we're appointed and what

756
00:31:14,159 --> 00:31:16,399
the board is made up of you'll note that

757
00:31:16,399 --> 00:31:18,320
there's the city of amsterdam presidents

758
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,559
there because back in 2012 2013

759
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:25,679
it was thought when we were one of only

760
00:31:25,679 --> 00:31:28,159
three land banks which there are over 20

761
00:31:28,159 --> 00:31:29,440
now

762
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,600
the strength of our application line in

763
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,919
the fact that the city of schenectady

764
00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:35,679
the county of schenectady and the city

765
00:31:35,679 --> 00:31:38,559
of amsterdam all cities that uh are all

766
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:40,799
communities that i think suffer

767
00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:43,039
greatly through the foreclosure crisis

768
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:45,519
um and we were awarded that council

769
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:47,279
that's why you see some city uh of

770
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:49,200
amsterdam folks that

771
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,159
um

772
00:31:50,159 --> 00:31:51,919
i've said this a number of times to

773
00:31:51,919 --> 00:31:54,559
leadership to council members uh to

774
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:56,320
individuals or just a tool in the

775
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,600
toolbox right i serve uh at the pleasure

776
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,360
of each one of you

777
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,320
and that the community at large

778
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,679
as a chairman we have taken this tool we

779
00:32:07,679 --> 00:32:09,440
keep it sharp we keep it sharp with

780
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:10,720
dollars that we've gotten from the

781
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,480
attorney generals with dollars that

782
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,120
we've gotten from the city and county

783
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,360
and from the city of amsterdam

784
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,679
and we really put this thing

785
00:32:19,679 --> 00:32:21,679
into high gear when we

786
00:32:21,679 --> 00:32:23,840
put it into frankly into our unified

787
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,760
economic development team which is our

788
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,399
metroplex david hogan camp i know he's

789
00:32:28,399 --> 00:32:30,240
sitting in front of us but without his

790
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,840
leadership without his commitment

791
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,720
without his ability to really manage uh

792
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,720
i think we would be

793
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,720
doing a good job we're doing an

794
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:43,600
outstanding job so we've put over um a

795
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,320
number of projects uh have come to play

796
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,720
uh hamilton hill neighborhood uh in

797
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,960
particular the electric city barn

798
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,760
depaul's joe allen apartments coco house

799
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,320
expansion demolition

800
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,799
of a number of properties to make way

801
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:02,000
for community builders right

802
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,600
eastern avenue one of the first

803
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,440
corridors that we worked on right we

804
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,440
have a corridor strategy it's not

805
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,840
individual houses it's how do we improve

806
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,480
corridors throughout our community to

807
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,840
create uh momentum so

808
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:16,880
in the eastern

809
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,120
neighborhood we've done well over 25

810
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,360
demolitions we created our first pocket

811
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,720
park in almost 25 years back in 2013 uh

812
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,760
2014 tribute park uh we improved

813
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,399
numerous buildings and what was saint

814
00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:32,720
mary's 25 million dollars in investment

815
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,559
renaissance square was a 25 million

816
00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:36,799
dollar investment by

817
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:39,200
homeless home leasing on a rochester

818
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,480
university so talk about leverage right

819
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,080
uh we probably put a million in change

820
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,799
into that project a little less and 25

821
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:50,720
million was pulled through from

822
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,320
um independent developers that's about

823
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,720
investment confidence so

824
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,559
we continue in mount pleasant mount

825
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:00,799
pleasant library crane street

826
00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:02,720
thriving neighborhoods challenge orchard

827
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:03,600
park

828
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,840
wallingford splash pad a great ribbon

829
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,679
cutting on friday night lots of

830
00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:10,079
attendance thank you madam president mr

831
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:13,040
mayor for being there um boys and girls

832
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,720
club uh

833
00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:16,960
and then depaul has committed and they

834
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,119
put an application in for another 22

835
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:22,079
million project on green street

836
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:24,079
so this is as a direct result of what

837
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:26,000
the land bank has done whether that's to

838
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,720
remove properties to do the demolition

839
00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:30,560
to create the momentum and the

840
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:31,919
investment confidence i've already

841
00:34:31,919 --> 00:34:34,720
talked about because we take out that

842
00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:36,639
portion of the project that makes it

843
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:38,639
work for these developers right and

844
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:40,159
they're very sophisticated in what

845
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:41,280
they're doing

846
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,480
but we have created that momentum that

847
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,960
engine and we want to continue to create

848
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,200
that momentum in that engine

849
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:50,800
some of what we've done in the city of

850
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,440
amsterdam just so you know 22 vacant

851
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,040
bladed properties were completely taken

852
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,639
down if you've come through route 5

853
00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:59,359
corridor driven into amsterdam that

854
00:34:59,359 --> 00:35:01,280
portion of the neighborhood that was in

855
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,440
decay was in decline

856
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,400
uh we took down all of the buildings

857
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,960
depaul came in uh and with the help of

858
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,720
amsterdam housing authority by putting

859
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:11,440
in

860
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,680
24 million

861
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,240
20 20 plus million dollar project that's

862
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:19,200
enormous we believe strongly that in the

863
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,359
city of amsterdam alone because of the

864
00:35:21,359 --> 00:35:23,359
momentum that we put in play

865
00:35:23,359 --> 00:35:26,240
they got the dri they got the downtown

866
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:29,200
uh investment grant and they got

867
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,280
developers that have come in and said

868
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,400
this is a community that's worth

869
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:33,839
investing in

870
00:35:33,839 --> 00:35:36,560
so what have we done we've taken

871
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,480
we've received and taken anything we've

872
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,200
received almost 10 million dollars uh in

873
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,280
support of funding through the attorney

874
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,520
general uh through enterprise and

875
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,760
through a number of other grant programs

876
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,000
we've partnered with you in the city and

877
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,520
in the city of amsterdam and over 200

878
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,920
demolitions i think we probably still

879
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,280
have a few hundred that would be

880
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,400
considered worthy of of a shovel

881
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,800
uh but more importantly we've put over

882
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,839
250 units of either planned or renovated

883
00:36:03,839 --> 00:36:06,400
housing in play right affordable housing

884
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,320
commitments to our community how do we

885
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,040
revitalize we make it real for the

886
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,160
individuals who live in these

887
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,320
communities that's a hundred million

888
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,240
dollars of leveraged investment

889
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:19,599
10x in my book is a wise investment 10

890
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:21,680
million equals 100 million in leveraged

891
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,000
investment so we've got great partners

892
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,160
with a better community neighborhoods

893
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,520
with habitat we've done a number of

894
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,359
projects with them

895
00:36:29,359 --> 00:36:30,400
and

896
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,000
we've gotten those results because we've

897
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,839
got a great board we've got some of our

898
00:36:33,839 --> 00:36:35,599
members here we've got rich maternity a

899
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:37,119
fellow county legislator in the city of

900
00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:39,920
schenectady we've got joe berlant who uh

901
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,280
came out of housing and urban

902
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,040
development and has been with us for a

903
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,839
number of years uh and i regard him very

904
00:36:45,839 --> 00:36:48,240
hard with high regard as our treasurer

905
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:51,040
and the fiduciary of all this money uh

906
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,680
that we've received and we put in play

907
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,920
and again i just want to reiterate we

908
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,119
are a tool

909
00:36:57,119 --> 00:37:00,000
we are we are efficient we run on a

910
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,400
staff of 1.5

911
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,720
unlike some agencies that need multiples

912
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:06,880
and i'm not casting this down i'm simply

913
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,640
saying that david here in the city of

914
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,240
connecting in the county we have a

915
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:12,560
project manager in the city of amsterdam

916
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,160
we've executed

917
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,720
extremely well and i appreciate my board

918
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:19,680
members and the commitment that we have

919
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,480
from the community from leadership

920
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,599
and from a human president

921
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:28,160
so more to come lots of great projects

922
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,400
happy to answer any questions we do want

923
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,800
to celebrate our 10-year anniversary we

924
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,520
think we've earned the strength

925
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,320
of saying job well done but it really

926
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,160
has to come out of the community

927
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,839
and

928
00:37:41,839 --> 00:37:43,280
you know like i said i'm happy to answer

929
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,839
questions i am here formally to ask for

930
00:37:45,839 --> 00:37:47,520
a reappointment

931
00:37:47,520 --> 00:38:02,950
of one of our

932
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,200
i just want to say that over the years

933
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,680
working with mr hogan camp and working

934
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,079
with legislator russo has been a

935
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:12,400
pleasure on any project that we've been

936
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,880
involved in and i mean obviously

937
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,119
you are just a tremendous resource and

938
00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:19,119
have great both of you have great vision

939
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:20,960
but i mean the work that you put in to

940
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,640
these projects over the years has just

941
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,640
been phenomenal it's fun work kristen

942
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,960
diaz is on our board as well uh it's a

943
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,720
lot of division maurice brown has been

944
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:30,480
very helpful and thank you mayor andrew

945
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:38,630
smallwood

946
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:39,760
thank you very much i do want to

947
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,000
reiterate kristin on our board maurice

948
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,480
we went to a new york state housing

949
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,920
land bank conference not too long ago

950
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,160
we have committed people in this room in

951
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,400
this community and i'm grateful to be

952
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,320
part of that kind of momentum and that

953
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,760
kind of leadership

954
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,359
you should also have

955
00:38:57,359 --> 00:38:59,200
the fact that the leadership of this

956
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,839
group has brought in the news

957
00:39:01,839 --> 00:39:03,920
it's our hundred million dollars and

958
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,400
it's also brought us continue

959
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,640
every time we applaud you get money

960
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,320
because we produce results yeah joe

961
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:13,920
brings up a great point it's all about

962
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,640
the performance about skill

963
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:17,839
do you want to come up so that the

964
00:39:17,839 --> 00:39:20,079
council who has not met you can meet you

965
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:21,040
sure

966
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,839
so as joe comes up i will say it is that

967
00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:26,000
right it's not quite hunger games but it

968
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:26,839
is

969
00:39:26,839 --> 00:39:28,480
absolutely if we are not effective we're

970
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,800
not going to win in those grant rounds

971
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,680
and i will tell you that i went and

972
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,839
stumped a little bit with senator richie

973
00:39:35,839 --> 00:39:37,920
50 million dollars is being pulled

974
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,000
through to the land mix that doesn't

975
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,839
excuse that i have an arpa application

976
00:39:41,839 --> 00:39:44,400
and for land management so it's but 50

977
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:45,520
million is getting pulled through

978
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,200
that'll be applied to those 23 land

979
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,359
banks offices being one of them and

980
00:39:49,359 --> 00:39:51,440
another 250 million

981
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:52,640
or 400

982
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,760
oh just a housing community renewal

983
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,760
programs they want the land banks to

984
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:58,880
continue

985
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,200
to be supported so that they can come up

986
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,960
with other projects like the default

987
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,040
project

988
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,920
so that's that's the focused uh

989
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:13,190
in partnership

990
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,200
and as joe pointed out past performance

991
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,440
definitely drives whether or not you're

992
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,040
going to continue to get some of that

993
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,829
support

994
00:40:21,839 --> 00:40:23,920
for those who don't know man the retired

995
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,079
deputy director of development for the

996
00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:29,599
city uh was here in the 1990s

997
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:32,880
well aware of that and then

998
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,880
we had a household division at that

999
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,560
point we were doing housing activities

1000
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,319
we didn't do as much as what the land

1001
00:40:38,319 --> 00:40:40,000
bank has been able to do

1002
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,520
because it's an effective use of funding

1003
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,200
without having to go through some of the

1004
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,920
red tape that a government agency has to

1005
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,520
do

1006
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:50,960
and

1007
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,040
it's been a great time to work with all

1008
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,480
the folks that are there we've got a

1009
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,400
committed group we've only had a couple

1010
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,800
of changes on the board and that's also helped i think uh quite a

1011
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,720
bit that the people have experienced now

1012
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:04,839
what they're

1013
00:41:04,839 --> 00:41:07,599
doing so and i'm going to point to you

1014
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:10,240
at the city council so i hope that

1015
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:12,560
you will reappoint me but if not

1016
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,079
we have somebody

1017
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:15,920
in mind who also will be able to

1018
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,480
contribute to the little bank

1019
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,720
it's an active board it's not a it's not

1020
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:22,160
a show up once in a while it's

1021
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,839
definitely an active board but we run

1022
00:41:23,839 --> 00:41:26,160
very efficiently and we appreciate joe's

1023
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,000
participation we appreciate thanks for

1024
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,079
the attorney's participation

1025
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:31,680
kristen diat

1026
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,240
and we're open to continuing to see that

1027
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:38,230
board live

1028
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:40,000
what i'd like to first say is thank you

1029
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,599
for the work that you're doing okay and

1030
00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:44,160
i think that is important you know we do

1031
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,160
base future decisions we make informed

1032
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:47,760
decisions based on results but you guys

1033
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,000
are clearly getting so you know this

1034
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,839
isn't just about beautification this

1035
00:41:51,839 --> 00:41:53,040
really does change the material

1036
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,720
condition of people that live in these

1037
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:56,480
neighborhoods options so um i just want

1038
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,640
to extend my appreciation to you and the

1039
00:41:58,640 --> 00:41:59,440
team

1040
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,599
thank you i appreciate that constant

1041
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:09,349
problem

1042
00:42:09,359 --> 00:42:13,910
at this time i like to make the motion

1043
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:22,410
second

1044
00:42:22,420 --> 00:42:25,750
[Applause]

1045
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,950
[Music]

1046
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,839
back and go on any of these projects um

1047
00:42:31,839 --> 00:42:34,400
at your request or individually thank

1048
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:46,390
you for coming thank you

1049
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,240
like to call to order city development

1050
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:50,240
planning we have nine items on the

1051
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:51,680
agenda

1052
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,920
the first item is a revocable licensing

1053
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,720
agreement with indira prasad for a patio

1054
00:42:56,720 --> 00:42:59,599
and handicap accessible rent at 1570

1055
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:03,109
state street mr wallen

1056
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:04,720
hello hello

1057
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:07,280
uh the property of 1570 state street

1058
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,280
constructed a patio with handicap

1059
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,880
accessible ramps the patio is what i

1060
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,720
would call a seminar semi-permanent

1061
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:15,839
patio

1062
00:43:15,839 --> 00:43:17,440
is a

1063
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:18,720
wall

1064
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:21,359
filled it is not something that would be

1065
00:43:21,359 --> 00:43:24,720
revocable similar to a planter or a sign

1066
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:26,880
a pond inspection was found that the

1067
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,359
wall and the ramp are in the city right

1068
00:43:29,359 --> 00:43:31,839
away on this corner by about five feet

1069
00:43:31,839 --> 00:43:32,960
in each

1070
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,720
uh so it is not

1071
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:36,880
exactly off the sidewalk but it is

1072
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,440
within there is about seven feet and ten

1073
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,400
feet off the grid respectively for a

1074
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,000
obstruction like this in the right of

1075
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,040
way uh a revocable licensing agreement

1076
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,720
is required for the properties

1077
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:52,240
all right so

1078
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:54,400
this was put in without coming to the

1079
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,319
city for permit

1080
00:43:56,319 --> 00:43:58,800
that is what i believe is they don't

1081
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,640
there's no such thing as for this i

1082
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,040
think what we think is through a

1083
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,760
building permit for a patio and

1084
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:06,960
it was

1085
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,520
a bit of a miscommunication of where the

1086
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,599
right way was usually it's on the back

1087
00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:14,240
side of the sidewalk in these particular

1088
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:17,200
cases it was a little extra wide so it

1089
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,359
was actually five feet off the back side

1090
00:44:19,359 --> 00:44:21,280
of the sidewalk and on state street we

1091
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,920
have an exceptionally larger right away

1092
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,839
so when they came in i don't know how it

1093
00:44:25,839 --> 00:44:27,760
was actually brought to my attention but

1094
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,760
when it was and we looked at them we

1095
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,359
found that it was five feet in both

1096
00:44:31,359 --> 00:44:33,760
directions

1097
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,680
for a patio wasn't necessarily something

1098
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,520
that went into planning and planning

1099
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:38,880
usually if a newer building is being

1100
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,720
built and there's a site plan we would

1101
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:42,000
make the comments of what would be

1102
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,640
required this was an existing building

1103
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,359
with a patio being built like almost

1104
00:44:47,359 --> 00:44:48,400
like a deck

1105
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:49,760
so i don't think it went through the

1106
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,920
same procedures as most so it's

1107
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,680
something that we are internally going

1108
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,599
to have to discuss on how we kind of

1109
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:57,760
close that little loophole if you will

1110
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:58,720
but

1111
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:00,319
it is there

1112
00:45:00,319 --> 00:45:01,680
so

1113
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:06,630
and does the side work

1114
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,640
i know the application came from

1115
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,960
indira prasad i believe there may be two

1116
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,319
people who own that property i believe

1117
00:45:12,319 --> 00:45:13,920
it's indirect

1118
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,359
i think there's another prasad that may

1119
00:45:15,359 --> 00:45:17,119
be the owner of that property so if the

1120
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:18,319
council is to move forward with this

1121
00:45:18,319 --> 00:45:20,880
legislative request i would request that

1122
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,359
it be the owner of the property indira

1123
00:45:23,359 --> 00:45:25,280
prasad and if there's another owner

1124
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:26,720
right i want to make sure that both of

1125
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:28,720
them enter into this agreement that it's

1126
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:29,839
not just

1127
00:45:29,839 --> 00:45:34,630
you know one of the two owners okay

1128
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,599
so we need the other owner's name you

1129
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:39,280
know do you do you know that i do not

1130
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:40,960
have it on me but i don't have money but

1131
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,440
we can we can get the most recent deed

1132
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:44,960
and we'll have it in time for uh i'll

1133
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,720
put it in for the resolution if it does

1134
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:48,560
pass tonight okay it's not obstructing

1135
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,720
the sidewalk okay uh we are working with

1136
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:52,720
them on making sure that the sidewalk is

1137
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:53,839
off the coast

1138
00:45:53,839 --> 00:45:54,880
on the uh

1139
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,720
on the one particular side not the state

1140
00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:58,319
street side i came up with the cross

1141
00:45:58,319 --> 00:46:00,480
street at this time but on state street

1142
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,319
it is off but we have a particularly

1143
00:46:02,319 --> 00:46:07,349
wide right-of-way going upstairs

1144
00:46:07,359 --> 00:46:11,910
are there other questions

1145
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,680
i'll second it with the idea that we'll

1146
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,480
put the name amazing yes

1147
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,319
all those in favor all right

1148
00:46:18,319 --> 00:46:20,400
thank you mr wong

1149
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,400
uh the next item on the agenda is a

1150
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,400
discussion of uh hosting quarterly

1151
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,319
meeting city council meetings outside of

1152
00:46:26,319 --> 00:46:29,839
city hall uh thank you madam president

1153
00:46:29,839 --> 00:46:31,599
um i know you've had this on the agenda

1154
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:33,280
a few times so i'm looking forward to

1155
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,800
announcing some updates that'll

1156
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,960
hopefully uh get this ball

1157
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,400
moving forward

1158
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,960
looking at the idea of where to host

1159
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,000
this type of engagement my two thoughts

1160
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,520
consistently came back to the boys and

1161
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,440
girls club and also potentially

1162
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,119
partnering with the scranton high school

1163
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:52,480
just thinking of menu size and volume of

1164
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,160
getting people

1165
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,240
from the community into a room and talk

1166
00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:57,760
about a potential topic

1167
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,240
uh second can be more about a date i

1168
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:02,240
think being in the summer it's important

1169
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:03,280
to recognize that people are still

1170
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,200
vacationing so looking to have something

1171
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,280
in place after august

1172
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,640
the time frame that i kept coming back

1173
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,960
to was 6 30 to 8 30 at night just

1174
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,880
thinking of corporate time people get

1175
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,000
settled in

1176
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,240
and then also understanding that mondays

1177
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:17,599
don't necessarily work for us as a

1178
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:19,599
council members and also fridays maybe

1179
00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:21,760
too late in the week

1180
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,680
we'll need to do some investigation to

1181
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,680
make sure that we're not scheduling

1182
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,190
something that is

1183
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,160
in place with other meetings that are functioning throughout the city

1184
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,040
so i resonated on tuesdays so i was

1185
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,680
potentially thinking of september 20th

1186
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,800
september 27th or october 4th and then

1187
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,240
all this information i can go back to

1188
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:44,960
the council members and email

1189
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:45,760
next

1190
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,319
thinking of the format and i think it's

1191
00:47:48,319 --> 00:47:50,480
important to footstomp that compromising

1192
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,079
is important

1193
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:54,000
and taking into consideration all of the

1194
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,920
council members feedback so that we can

1195
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,760
make sure we're actually items for the

1196
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,319
benefit of the community i think looking

1197
00:48:00,319 --> 00:48:02,240
at how to best

1198
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:03,839
create an agenda around this i think a

1199
00:48:03,839 --> 00:48:05,920
town hall would make sense

1200
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,000
and i think as long as we can build an

1201
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,160
appropriate agenda establish creative

1202
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,160
guidelines for people to speak that way

1203
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,760
we would have the opportunity to respond

1204
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,480
back i think as long as we're

1205
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,480
intentional and have a clear objective

1206
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,559
around what the meeting is i think we

1207
00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:22,480
can keep our comments focused and use

1208
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,559
this as an opportunity to again

1209
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:26,640
bring the messaging bring ourselves the

1210
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,839
community which countlessly has been

1211
00:48:29,839 --> 00:48:33,200
vocalized as an ask in the community

1212
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,200
and this brings me to what potential

1213
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,920
topics so our last meeting

1214
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,800
ended with miss

1215
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,240
ms portfield

1216
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:44,079
and

1217
00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:45,920
ms patrick recommending community

1218
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,920
banking and noise ordinances which i

1219
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,839
don't know if anyone else experienced

1220
00:48:49,839 --> 00:48:52,559
that last night i did myself

1221
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:54,640
however there's been continuous

1222
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,720
conversation throughout our community

1223
00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:58,559
about

1224
00:48:58,559 --> 00:48:59,440
rent

1225
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,640
and how some people aren't able to

1226
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,040
make rent and also listening from the

1227
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,200
other angle which is from our landlords

1228
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,319
which are

1229
00:49:08,319 --> 00:49:11,119
vocalizing just continued discomfort so

1230
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:13,599
i want to make it clear that

1231
00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:15,839
choosing a potential topic would not

1232
00:49:15,839 --> 00:49:17,520
mean that we are taking anyone's side

1233
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,119
just using this as an opportunity to get

1234
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:21,680
more information and provide people the

1235
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,240
opportunity to vocalize their issues or

1236
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:26,079
stances which is why i would recommend

1237
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:28,640
our first topic being rent stabilization

1238
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,880
which is a nice subway it's what mr

1239
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,559
farley is going to be discussing

1240
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:35,359
so i'm all ears

1241
00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:36,960
week after week i've been coming back

1242
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,200
with some updates so i'm willing to make

1243
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,440
any adjustments and adapt around what

1244
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,280
the council members would request think

1245
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,640
at this time

1246
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,960
i think it is just choosing a topic

1247
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,760
collectively and then i can

1248
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,680
fine-tune some details and selecting a

1249
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,349
future date to announce the community

1250
00:49:55,359 --> 00:49:57,040
well first of all thank you for doing

1251
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,319
the work and for coming back to the

1252
00:49:58,319 --> 00:49:59,760
council and considering all the things

1253
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,280
that have been put forward so i do

1254
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,200
appreciate that it sounds like we've

1255
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:04,480
landed on it's going to be more of a

1256
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,079
town hall as opposed to a city council

1257
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:07,440
meeting based on

1258
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,599
what you've said so um

1259
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:11,599
i'm certainly open to that plus moving

1260
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:13,680
in that direction and

1261
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,280
i'll have a particular day

1262
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,000
just glad it's after the summer

1263
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:18,960
so

1264
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,960
um

1265
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,280
and he must have me mr

1266
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,359
so i just think anytime we get

1267
00:50:25,359 --> 00:50:26,960
opportunity to integrate with the

1268
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,000
community

1269
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,079
and you know i think sometimes change of

1270
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:31,040
settings

1271
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,920
um can kind of lend itself to a more

1272
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,760
robust conversation um and so so i'm all

1273
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:46,880
for um

1274
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,119
are you asking like all the council be

1275
00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:54,390
there i mean how do you how are you

1276
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,160
taking into consideration what a true

1277
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:57,920
council meeting outside of city hall

1278
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,160
would look like i think a lot of the

1279
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,480
uh discomfort is we don't want to bore

1280
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,000
people around what we do we're trying to

1281
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,079
make it exciting and integrity for the

1282
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:10,390
community and

1283
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:11,680
but being

1284
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,400
aware of just the nuances of what we do

1285
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,240
it might not appeal to everyone so i

1286
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:18,240
think creating the format uh to make it

1287
00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:20,960
more of a meaningful conversation but i

1288
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,040
think it is a very strong message that

1289
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:24,800
needs to get sent to the community that

1290
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,119
we all collectively need to be out there

1291
00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:28,800
present um

1292
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,800
and and and

1293
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,800
available and i know that things happen

1294
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,400
i know that emergencies arise but i

1295
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,880
think if we have the time to coordinate

1296
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,800
a date i would hope that all the council

1297
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,640
members can find there

1298
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,480
find the final the opportunity to put in

1299
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,880
their schedule and make a conscientious

1300
00:51:44,880 --> 00:52:03,109
effort to impress them

1301
00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:05,200
you know causing further complications

1302
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,599
of demeaning laws

1303
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:08,640
it depends

1304
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,160
i mean i i wish i could give you a

1305
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:11,520
better answer than it depends it depends

1306
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,280
what actions you're going to be taking

1307
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,520
you know if you're resolving to take

1308
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,280
some type of official action that's you

1309
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:18,480
know obviously

1310
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:19,680
you know open meeting if you're there

1311
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,520
for town hall to allow people to just

1312
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,040
kind of give you know a piece of their mind maybe or

1313
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,359
just you know their input and you're not

1314
00:52:27,359 --> 00:52:29,520
dealing with open meeting law

1315
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,599
stuff so to speak right you're not

1316
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:34,319
subject to open meetings law

1317
00:52:34,319 --> 00:52:36,400
right

1318
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,800
so i thought well based on like a town

1319
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,240
hall just thinking we're there to get

1320
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:41,599
information from people and get their

1321
00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:42,640
input

1322
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,680
we heard a man come to the rail the

1323
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,440
other day and you know

1324
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,680
unsolicited he was his situation so he

1325
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,280
came so i think that's one of the

1326
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:52,640
reasons this

1327
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,000
came about that particular topic

1328
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,160
regarding rent so i really just would ask the other

1329
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,760
council members where they are with this

1330
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:04,000
in terms of participation or dates

1331
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,920
you know it's going to take all of us to

1332
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,599
do something

1333
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:08,960
all right

1334
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,400
mr toro thank you car mr williams um i

1335
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,200
like the the town hall um mr farley just

1336
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:16,960
brought that up so we probably wouldn't

1337
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,520
be able to interact or give advice

1338
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:20,640
so i

1339
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,480
well that leaves me a little bit

1340
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,040
confused right now as well you can give

1341
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,359
advice you can't give formal you can't

1342
00:53:27,359 --> 00:53:29,839
do a formal action exactly okay all

1343
00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:32,000
right so we can answer okay so i was

1344
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,280
just thinking

1345
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,680
again like i say we can all be there i

1346
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,920
like the idea of listening to

1347
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,319
the constituents and what their concerns

1348
00:53:40,319 --> 00:53:42,480
are in individual neighborhoods

1349
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:43,599
and um

1350
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:45,680
again with dates

1351
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,280
you know i i don't know you know we all

1352
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,599
get invited to the neighborhood meetings

1353
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:52,319
um i don't know who posters on a tuesday

1354
00:53:52,319 --> 00:53:54,319
so i'd have to check because we do like

1355
00:53:54,319 --> 00:53:56,240
to go to all the neighborhood meetings

1356
00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:57,839
again i don't know if we if we might

1357
00:53:57,839 --> 00:53:59,599
just want to travel there we're in each

1358
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:00,960
neighborhood

1359
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,119
and again not asking everyone to come to

1360
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:05,280
us but we're going to them

1361
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,280
but again thank you i think it's very

1362
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,119
important to hear what they want

1363
00:54:09,119 --> 00:54:14,950
that's my my job

1364
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:15,680
so

1365
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,200
yeah other

1366
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,359
let's test it um i think that

1367
00:54:19,359 --> 00:54:21,040
again with the date i think maybe doing

1368
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:27,190
the doodle or something to see

1369
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:28,559
i think we can just send that email it's

1370
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:30,720
only seven we're doing all right we just

1371
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:34,390
send the email out sure

1372
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:35,839
and

1373
00:54:35,839 --> 00:54:39,040
i think in terms of format

1374
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,200
again even if we had if we knew the

1375
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,040
topic was going to be housing for

1376
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:44,960
example um we'd probably want some

1377
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,559
landlords and we probably want you know

1378
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:47,599
i mean

1379
00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:51,119
it might be important to have

1380
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:53,760
somebody speak even you know for or one

1381
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,000
or two people speak and then people

1382
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,000
responding but i'm just saying

1383
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,520
um might not be else but um i think the

1384
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:02,720
idea of listening and hearing

1385
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:05,040
constituent concerns is is great i think

1386
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:06,400
that is why we go to the neighborhood

1387
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:07,520
meetings

1388
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:13,119
as well generally town home format doesn't

1389
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:15,119
have a speaker necessarily it's just for

1390
00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:16,799
everyone there whether it be landlords

1391
00:55:16,799 --> 00:55:18,880
or lieutenants or everybody just to

1392
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,880
like this we introduce the topic and

1393
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,319
then people give their input right i

1394
00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:23,599
guess opposed to having somebody

1395
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:25,359
introduce the topic

1396
00:55:25,359 --> 00:55:26,960
or somebody that's an expert or whatever

1397
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,079
i think is

1398
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:30,160
a good a good thing

1399
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,079
like like the meeting that we had with

1400
00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:34,960
the office of cannabis management where

1401
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:36,960
you know we were able to hear some of

1402
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:38,319
some

1403
00:55:38,319 --> 00:55:39,920
information

1404
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:41,839
i don't know but well it depends on just

1405
00:55:41,839 --> 00:55:44,000
two cents on format just two cents on my

1406
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,119
two cents yeah because it depends on the

1407
00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:46,000
topic

1408
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,280
necessarily

1409
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,119
on one

1410
00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:51,040
right so you said to check the dates for

1411
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:52,079
um

1412
00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:53,359
the neighborhood association to make

1413
00:55:53,359 --> 00:55:54,240
sure that

1414
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:56,480
they start up in the fall again

1415
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,240
to make sure that we're not hidden up

1416
00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:00,400
against theirs okay yeah

1417
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,400
that's a good idea i know a reunion is a

1418
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,720
tuesday but i'm not sure which one i

1419
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:05,760
think it

1420
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,630
must be the second

1421
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:09,839
other input

1422
00:56:09,839 --> 00:56:12,400
questions comments

1423
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:13,200
um

1424
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,400
willingness to participate or not

1425
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,480
does everybody need to date i mean yeah

1426
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,559
i mean i'd show up if

1427
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:22,079
the date was

1428
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:24,480
we'll give you our input on our dates

1429
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,160
you know i think the idea of doing it in

1430
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:27,440
the fall

1431
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,000
summer is

1432
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,000
so if you could um

1433
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,200
are we gonna

1434
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:34,720
i guess we're gonna need to settle on a

1435
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:36,240
topic and are you gonna send out the

1436
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:37,839
dates that

1437
00:56:37,839 --> 00:56:40,390
okay

1438
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,079
so or did you want to start setting on

1439
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:43,599
top of the topic tonight or do you want

1440
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:45,520
to um just

1441
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,280
send that out in the request when you

1442
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,119
send out the email

1443
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:50,799
uh so i don't know how appropriate would

1444
00:56:50,799 --> 00:56:52,000
be to

1445
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,400
comment after we close while i'm

1446
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,319
speaking or mr probably speaking but i

1447
00:56:56,319 --> 00:56:59,440
think hearing out his

1448
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,440
next agenda on the actual topic of

1449
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,040
wednesday education will probably assist

1450
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,559
to get people's heads wrapped around it

1451
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:06,880
but i think overall just using this as a

1452
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,640
platform to hear from the community i would like to

1453
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:11,680
select the top of the right

1454
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,280
stabilization and take into

1455
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,119
consideration what uh

1456
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:16,960
ms patrick was mentioning around trying

1457
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,280
to capture uh something that has already

1458
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,680
been discussed i think in our current

1459
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:22,720
just

1460
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,160
traveling throughout the city it's an

1461
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,040
issue that's growing regardless whether

1462
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,440
on any one side or the other so i think

1463
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,440
as a council is our opportunity to be at

1464
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:32,559
the forefront of these types of

1465
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:34,000
conversations and

1466
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:35,440
the only way we're able to make

1467
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,440
appropriate judgments is having an

1468
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:45,910
injectable understanding of what's going

1469
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:50,069
do any further discussion on this topic

1470
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:51,440
again i think

1471
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,280
i like what you had to say mr williams

1472
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:54,880
about trying to make sure that we

1473
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,880
weren't coming out in

1474
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,960
favor or not in favor of something so i

1475
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:00,319
think

1476
00:58:00,319 --> 00:58:02,640
even perception wise i think if we if

1477
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,480
the topic was

1478
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,559
housing issues or something like that

1479
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:08,559
but to say and i want to hear what mr

1480
00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:10,640
brawley is going to going to talk to us

1481
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,280
about on the next item but i mean to say

1482
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,280
rent stabilization might

1483
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:16,640
um

1484
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,559
make it seem like we're skewing in one

1485
00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:19,680
direction

1486
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:21,359
over another

1487
00:58:21,359 --> 00:58:23,280
but i don't know what the kind of better

1488
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,440
word it but

1489
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,359
it's williams and absolutely messaging

1490
00:58:27,359 --> 00:58:28,960
matters these are just to capture what i

1491
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,400
was going to be talking about when we

1492
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:31,839
actually rolled out the community and

1493
00:58:31,839 --> 00:58:33,839
definitely take into consideration those

1494
00:58:33,839 --> 00:58:35,680
types of elements is important and

1495
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,599
that's why i think it's imperative of us

1496
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:39,599
all to be together because although

1497
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:41,280
we're one body that represents the city

1498
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,280
at large we're being honest and

1499
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,280
intentional we all have

1500
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,520
nations that we kind of cater to

1501
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,079
naturally we all don't travel together

1502
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:50,799
in

1503
00:58:50,799 --> 00:58:53,040
one group um so i think

1504
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,040
taking in all of our feedback and input

1505
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,280
i think we'll be able to naturally hit

1506
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,680
all of those corners of the community so

1507
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,200
that we are taking into consideration

1508
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:06,150
everything and not seeming to

1509
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,109
any other discussion

1510
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:10,799
okay so we'll wait for the email from

1511
00:59:10,799 --> 00:59:12,240
you on the date so we can get some

1512
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:13,839
feedback on that and come up with a date

1513
00:59:13,839 --> 00:59:15,440
and move forward with it so thanks for

1514
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,880
the work you've done on this um our next

1515
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,440
item for discussion number three is rent

1516
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,160
stabilization mr farley thank you madam

1517
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:25,359
president so

1518
00:59:25,359 --> 00:59:27,200
um

1519
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,549
one of the

1520
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:32,799
benefits of living in the community

1521
00:59:32,799 --> 00:59:34,480
that have you know getting such a great

1522
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,640
financial audit you know once you get

1523
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,599
close to the team here to the mayor and

1524
00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:41,200
your team for

1525
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:42,559
diligent work

1526
00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:43,839
is

1527
00:59:43,839 --> 00:59:48,160
tax stabilization

1528
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:49,920
can and should

1529
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,799
correlate to housing on

1530
00:59:52,799 --> 00:59:54,960
price stabilization so i guess i just

1531
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,119
wanted to open up the conversation

1532
00:59:57,119 --> 00:59:58,799
with the council because of all the

1533
00:59:58,799 --> 01:00:01,599
feedback that we've been getting um

1534
01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:03,200
and i've been you know

1535
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:04,640
listening to people

1536
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,040
uh and i really want to see like how do

1537
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:07,760
we

1538
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:11,200
is there a way for us to create um

1539
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:15,040
to incentivize you know um

1540
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,440
some housing stabilization so that's

1541
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:18,640
really where i wanted to go with this

1542
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:19,839
conversation

1543
01:00:19,839 --> 01:00:22,480
um people in the community are really

1544
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:26,640
hurting um you know

1545
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:27,839
we're doing some of the research you

1546
01:00:27,839 --> 01:00:31,359
know i realize it says that uh a hundred

1547
01:00:31,359 --> 01:00:36,799
dollars in an immediate

1548
01:00:36,799 --> 01:00:39,920
equates to a nine percent increase in

1549
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:41,200
homelessness

1550
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:42,799
so this is a you know this isn't a

1551
01:00:42,799 --> 01:00:44,480
conversation that we can just have like

1552
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,040
you know in abstract ways that this is a

1553
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,349
real

1554
01:00:49,359 --> 01:00:50,640
way that

1555
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,599
is impacting people in their

1556
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:56,079
material conditions of people live so i

1557
01:00:56,079 --> 01:00:58,559
think that you know i i look forward to

1558
01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:00,160
just kind of opening up this

1559
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,400
conversation and getting feedback from

1560
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,760
fellow council members um to see

1561
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:11,670
what your thoughts

1562
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:13,520
mr toro

1563
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,680
can you tell me a little bit more like

1564
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,160
what are you looking for us to say

1565
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:19,119
uh

1566
01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:21,040
i'm sorry i just didn't

1567
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:24,000
i couldn't follow along sure

1568
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,839
tell us what you're thinking

1569
01:01:25,839 --> 01:01:28,880
so what are what so what i'm thinking um

1570
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:30,799
and what i'm hearing and what we heard

1571
01:01:30,799 --> 01:01:33,200
in our last city council uh meeting is

1572
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:34,799
that people hurt

1573
01:01:34,799 --> 01:01:35,599
right

1574
01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:39,520
and we um often talk about our tax base

1575
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,240
being pretty stable right so what i'm

1576
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:43,839
saying is that when you are living in a

1577
01:01:43,839 --> 01:01:47,440
community um that has a stable tax base

1578
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,680
that should correlate to stable housing

1579
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:51,440
prices for people

1580
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:52,480
it should

1581
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,400
i don't know that that's necessarily the

1582
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,079
case right now

1583
01:01:56,079 --> 01:01:58,640
so my question is

1584
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,799
what are your thoughts and should we be

1585
01:02:00,799 --> 01:02:02,559
thinking about ways as a counselor that

1586
01:02:02,559 --> 01:02:04,960
we can incentivize

1587
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:06,079
of

1588
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:07,359
rent prices

1589
01:02:07,359 --> 01:02:09,119
to to be more stable because what we're

1590
01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:12,079
hearing are now and people are

1591
01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:14,480
losing their houses and their housing

1592
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:15,680
and

1593
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:17,039
that's something that we're hearing in

1594
01:02:17,039 --> 01:02:18,880
every corner of the city and i think

1595
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:20,319
it's something that we need to talk

1596
01:02:20,319 --> 01:02:23,829
about how can we address it

1597
01:02:23,839 --> 01:02:25,119
so just to

1598
01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:26,480
bring you back to when the gentleman

1599
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:32,160
came to the council meeting um last week yes and um he

1600
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,559
his rent went up 200

1601
01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:36,480
that's pretty significant

1602
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,280
and he made it clear that it was almost

1603
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,319
his entire monthly income so

1604
01:02:42,319 --> 01:02:44,400
now he has a place to live but now he's

1605
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,559
got to figure out how he's going to eat

1606
01:02:46,559 --> 01:02:49,760
and uh so i i think that we'd be remiss

1607
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,680
if we didn't and he's not the only

1608
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:53,359
person i've heard had emails etc from

1609
01:02:53,359 --> 01:02:55,520
people um that have said the same thing

1610
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,480
my rent's gone up like 200 and i i just

1611
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,400
didn't know that rents went up like that

1612
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,359
so um i think that it's that we should

1613
01:03:03,359 --> 01:03:04,720
be considering that and i know that

1614
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:06,720
currently currently the city does not

1615
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,240
have any kind of rent control or rent

1616
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,000
segregation we don't they do have that

1617
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,079
in new york city so there's no cap we

1618
01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:14,079
don't can't say this is the most you can

1619
01:03:14,079 --> 01:03:15,359
charge for somebody to rent your

1620
01:03:15,359 --> 01:03:18,720
apartment it's up to a landlord um

1621
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:20,240
so

1622
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:22,480
you know what do we do about that do we

1623
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,000
create more homelessness i mean how do

1624
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:25,839
we address that so i think that's the

1625
01:03:25,839 --> 01:03:28,400
conversation that's before us now

1626
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:29,920
or do you think it's not something that

1627
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,400
we don't need to address

1628
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:33,920
mr mayor

1629
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,799
madam chair just want to recap you know

1630
01:03:36,799 --> 01:03:38,079
some of the things that

1631
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:42,710
we've seen

1632
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,720
for a long time the value of property in

1633
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:46,559
schenectady was very low

1634
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:48,640
so we've seen

1635
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,400
the things that we've done collectively

1636
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,319
with economic development investments in

1637
01:03:52,319 --> 01:03:54,240
the neighborhood that have increased the

1638
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:57,359
values and have also

1639
01:03:57,359 --> 01:04:00,880
tied to the national housing market

1640
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,119
the taxes here

1641
01:04:03,119 --> 01:04:05,440
we cut them five years in a row

1642
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,480
last two years have been

1643
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,760
no increase the last year is no increase

1644
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:12,720
in

1645
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:16,240
that restriction is really put on us by

1646
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,799
the arpa money which says you can't use

1647
01:04:18,799 --> 01:04:21,680
it to lower taxes so i think people are

1648
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,079
happy that we're keeping the services up

1649
01:04:24,079 --> 01:04:25,440
doing it

1650
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:28,480
but you have to remember that the

1651
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,039
tax bill that people pay

1652
01:04:31,039 --> 01:04:33,359
roughly half of it's the school district

1653
01:04:33,359 --> 01:04:36,640
a little over 30 percent is

1654
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:40,480
the city's tax bill a little under 20

1655
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,200
is the

1656
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:47,829
county's portion of it

1657
01:04:47,839 --> 01:04:50,079
people tend to focus for

1658
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:52,640
it's always the city is the point on

1659
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,880
property taxes even though we're

1660
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,359
a smaller component of that

1661
01:04:57,359 --> 01:04:59,440
in terms of housing just what the land

1662
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,119
bank had outlined

1663
01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:02,000
those

1664
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,559
units that have been put up in other

1665
01:05:04,559 --> 01:05:06,079
projects here

1666
01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:08,000
are

1667
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:09,520
income based

1668
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:12,640
so that tenants in that basically pay 30

1669
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,440
of their income so if they're making a

1670
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,839
thousand dollars a month they're paying

1671
01:05:17,839 --> 01:05:19,599
300

1672
01:05:19,599 --> 01:05:21,280
there can be a little bit of variance in

1673
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,599
that depending on the timing and

1674
01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:27,760
the exact nature of the unit they're in

1675
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:29,599
there's been a lot of

1676
01:05:29,599 --> 01:05:31,359
in that there's a market study for

1677
01:05:31,359 --> 01:05:34,000
what's fair rent

1678
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,240
but a lot of people who've been quoting

1679
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,720
those higher numbers

1680
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,720
for those units and saying people are

1681
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:41,680
paying

1682
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,319
the fair market rent which is not true

1683
01:05:44,319 --> 01:05:47,839
those projects are designed to create

1684
01:05:47,839 --> 01:05:50,480
safe and decent housing for individuals

1685
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,319
who are not

1686
01:05:52,319 --> 01:05:53,599
income

1687
01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:55,839
don't have the income to

1688
01:05:55,839 --> 01:05:58,240
afford to live there it's how do we do

1689
01:05:58,240 --> 01:05:59,760
more of those projects how do we work

1690
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:01,359
with the housing authority to get more

1691
01:06:01,359 --> 01:06:03,280
section 8 vouchers

1692
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,680
again that individual who

1693
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:07,200
would have the chance to talk to you

1694
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,160
since the last meeting you know probably

1695
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:12,559
qualifies for

1696
01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:13,440
a

1697
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,079
section 8 voucher and

1698
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:17,520
there's a waiting list for that even

1699
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:18,799
though sometimes

1700
01:06:18,799 --> 01:06:21,039
you bypass the status on that if there's

1701
01:06:21,039 --> 01:06:24,000
hardship or extreme circumstances that

1702
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:25,920
come into play and we're seeing more and

1703
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,079
more individuals that

1704
01:06:28,079 --> 01:06:29,440
are in

1705
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,680
that set of circumstances which are

1706
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:35,280
really beyond their control and are

1707
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,280
adversely affecting them and so how do

1708
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:38,000
we

1709
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:39,520
again

1710
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:42,319
work with them to them being the housing

1711
01:06:42,319 --> 01:06:45,119
authority to match those people up

1712
01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:47,680
to get more vouchers or create some of

1713
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:49,920
this additional housing that is income

1714
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,559
based that allows them to have

1715
01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:57,589
safe and decent housing

1716
01:06:57,599 --> 01:07:00,880
well so um

1717
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,119
that i mean not everyone has section 8

1718
01:07:03,119 --> 01:07:05,359
and and some of it so i think

1719
01:07:05,359 --> 01:07:08,480
some of this is is not just

1720
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,240
housing developments it's people are

1721
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:12,319
running from individuals which is i

1722
01:07:12,319 --> 01:07:13,280
think

1723
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,119
this gentleman's situation and i didn't

1724
01:07:15,119 --> 01:07:16,559
ask him about his personal thing and

1725
01:07:16,559 --> 01:07:17,839
then i even if i knew i wouldn't talk

1726
01:07:17,839 --> 01:07:20,710
about it here

1727
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:22,960
and and then with that even some of the

1728
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:24,640
private housing

1729
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,720
people

1730
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:27,839
are

1731
01:07:27,839 --> 01:07:29,039
reluctant

1732
01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:30,960
to accept section 8 i've heard that time

1733
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,359
and time again people look for housing

1734
01:07:33,359 --> 01:07:34,640
and they and i know that you're not

1735
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:36,240
supposed to be able to turn people away

1736
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:38,160
based on their spillway

1737
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:40,839
somebody is doing it i do know that

1738
01:07:40,839 --> 01:07:44,640
um true but it but it happens

1739
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:46,480
and and if you've ever even looked it

1740
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:47,520
and i've helped people look for

1741
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,440
apartments if you've ever looked it

1742
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,000
specifically says in there no people say

1743
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:55,359
no section 8. they will say that no dss

1744
01:07:55,359 --> 01:07:56,880
so i've seen those

1745
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,440
um people advertising and saying

1746
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:01,039
we will not accept this type of payment

1747
01:08:01,039 --> 01:08:02,160
for your rent

1748
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,400
so i know it's not it's illegal but it

1749
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:05,680
does happen

1750
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,400
mr problem yeah so and i would just add

1751
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:09,359
that

1752
01:08:09,359 --> 01:08:11,599
you know to the mayor's point there are

1753
01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:13,280
you know interventions and things

1754
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:17,279
happening to address um you know

1755
01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:19,759
find people safe and accurate housing

1756
01:08:19,759 --> 01:08:21,759
um i would just say that like the

1757
01:08:21,759 --> 01:08:24,799
section 8 waiting list can be extremely

1758
01:08:24,799 --> 01:08:25,759
lengthy

1759
01:08:25,759 --> 01:08:29,120
um so and you know just because there

1760
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,520
are the programs in their art

1761
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,120
doesn't mean that

1762
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:35,920
the programs are going to address the

1763
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:39,279
problem and what i'm saying is that

1764
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:40,960
is there a way that we can

1765
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:42,640
kind of work

1766
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:44,159
and create the setting conditions to

1767
01:08:44,159 --> 01:08:45,199
where people

1768
01:08:45,199 --> 01:08:47,359
don't have to

1769
01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:48,880
seek out

1770
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:50,000
some of those

1771
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:51,440
programs and make

1772
01:08:51,440 --> 01:08:53,520
the pressure off some of those programs

1773
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:55,440
so they can work a little more

1774
01:08:55,440 --> 01:08:57,279
efficiently and you know because that's

1775
01:08:57,279 --> 01:08:59,440
something that is within our real house

1776
01:08:59,440 --> 01:09:02,789
to do

1777
01:09:02,799 --> 01:09:04,719
again 100

1778
01:09:04,719 --> 01:09:07,040
in medium rent increase

1779
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:09,600
correlates to nine percent uh

1780
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:16,789
increase in homelessness that's pretty stark numbers and i think that

1781
01:09:16,799 --> 01:09:18,319
we have to look at this with some level

1782
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:19,600
of urgency

1783
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:20,400
um

1784
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:26,630
because it's impacting our community

1785
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,279
mr toro agreed agreed mr farmer

1786
01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:31,040
absolutely things are things are they're

1787
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:34,400
tough out there mr palmetti speaks every

1788
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:36,319
council meeting on you know how bad

1789
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:37,759
things are getting

1790
01:09:37,759 --> 01:09:40,239
with our economy um but on on the other

1791
01:09:40,239 --> 01:09:42,000
side of that you need to look at the

1792
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,239
landlord situation you don't know what

1793
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:46,159
they're

1794
01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:48,799
facing at this point maybe coming off

1795
01:09:48,799 --> 01:09:51,120
the three years of covet with no rent

1796
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:53,440
um that they haven't gotten so so

1797
01:09:53,440 --> 01:09:56,159
there's a lot of variable variables here

1798
01:09:56,159 --> 01:09:57,679
that that we need to think about and

1799
01:09:57,679 --> 01:10:00,000
talk about i don't think there should be

1800
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,800
rent caps at all for personal property i

1801
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:03,600
just

1802
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:05,440
don't think that's right you say they do

1803
01:10:05,440 --> 01:10:07,199
it in new york i don't i don't know any

1804
01:10:07,199 --> 01:10:10,159
of that but again people have

1805
01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:12,080
everyone has their own

1806
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:15,199
expenses that they need to take care of

1807
01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:16,719
and we don't know anyone's personal

1808
01:10:16,719 --> 01:10:18,880
finances on that but again this

1809
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,199
gentleman and so many people and i think

1810
01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:23,440
our city does a damn good job of taking

1811
01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:25,520
care of our people

1812
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,000
i really think we do there's always room

1813
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,000
for improvement but i think you know out

1814
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,679
there in the community you see it at

1815
01:10:31,679 --> 01:10:33,840
school we all see it we're doing one

1816
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:35,920
hell of a job

1817
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:40,550
we're going to just keep going

1818
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:41,679
and that's why i think it's really

1819
01:10:41,679 --> 01:10:44,640
important to have a town hall because

1820
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,560
i would have to disagree i've heard from

1821
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,159
both sides and i've

1822
01:10:48,159 --> 01:10:51,840
had conversations with people who are struggling

1823
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:54,320
however i'm glad you did make the point

1824
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,000
of there are two sides to every

1825
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,400
narrative i've been to uh being

1826
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:00,400
landlords influencing change meetings

1827
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:01,920
and i know that there are other

1828
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:04,000
components of this conversation

1829
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,640
but i think it's it's necessary to

1830
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:08,080
look at our options

1831
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:09,920
and i think absent having this

1832
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:11,520
conversation are we starting or

1833
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:13,760
recognizing that this is an issue

1834
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,719
part part of the the analysis is

1835
01:11:16,719 --> 01:11:18,880
are raising the rents effectively being

1836
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:20,560
what landlords or homeowners are

1837
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,120
attending it to

1838
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:27,679
so i think unless we admit that this is

1839
01:11:27,679 --> 01:11:30,719
uh affecting members of our community

1840
01:11:30,719 --> 01:11:32,719
i don't think we'll be able to actually

1841
01:11:32,719 --> 01:11:34,560
get action on some of the discomfort

1842
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,430
that people are feeling

1843
01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:38,640
mr

1844
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,040
so and i i want us to be mindful that

1845
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,440
two things can be true right people can

1846
01:11:43,440 --> 01:11:45,040
you know there are there's a lot of

1847
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:46,239
variables

1848
01:11:46,239 --> 01:11:47,760
in this conversation

1849
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:49,840
but i don't think that they're you know

1850
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,000
i wouldn't rush to say that we should be

1851
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,400
talking about it from like two sides

1852
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:56,640
right like a landlord and a tenant i

1853
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:58,800
think that you know

1854
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:00,800
there are you know we should be looking

1855
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:02,880
and exploring ways that where we can

1856
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:06,480
incentivize it for landlords um

1857
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:09,440
to to uh have some sort of uh rent

1858
01:12:09,440 --> 01:12:12,400
stabilization um for the people that are

1859
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:14,400
renting their properties i think that we

1860
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:15,840
you know

1861
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:17,440
there might be ways for us to look at

1862
01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:20,960
how do we give some you know as a

1863
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:22,400
property owner so maybe some cost

1864
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:25,040
insurance right that they know you know

1865
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:27,600
that their uh taxes going to the mayor's

1866
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:29,600
point um and there's other entities that

1867
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:32,000
have to be involved aren't going to

1868
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:33,840
spike you know here and they know that

1869
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:36,400
okay well i know that this is what i can

1870
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:38,320
make this projection a couple years out

1871
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:39,440
that i'll be staying within these

1872
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:40,960
parameters and then

1873
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:42,560
i pass you know somebody that saves

1874
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:44,000
along to the person that's that's

1875
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,159
renting it so i you know

1876
01:12:46,159 --> 01:12:48,080
again i i don't think that we're gonna

1877
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:49,440
come over all the answers here i just

1878
01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:50,640
think that i wouldn't want the

1879
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:52,640
conversation to go in the direction to

1880
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:58,480
where something like it's you know that the outcome or

1881
01:12:58,480 --> 01:12:59,840
willingly it couldn't be mutually

1882
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:02,480
beneficial because it can it can be so i

1883
01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:04,560
do that's definitely the direction i'd

1884
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,199
like to see the conversation

1885
01:13:07,199 --> 01:13:09,040
yeah

1886
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:10,560
i

1887
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:12,000
try to recall this something the state

1888
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,080
statute which

1889
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:15,920
i think it's units

1890
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:16,960
built

1891
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:21,199
for 1974 having more than six units

1892
01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:23,840
you have to do a study and if the

1893
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:29,030
vacancy rate is below 5

1894
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:32,080
then there's some things that trip

1895
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,560
within the locality if it's above five

1896
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:36,560
percent then you don't have the option

1897
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:39,520
right and i

1898
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:40,960
apologize i can't remember all the

1899
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:43,280
details or mechanics of that but that

1900
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:44,719
something again that that wouldn't

1901
01:13:44,719 --> 01:13:47,280
happen overnight if

1902
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,040
actually do the study

1903
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:49,920
i

1904
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:51,840
don't know

1905
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,719
if that information is compiled

1906
01:13:54,719 --> 01:13:57,440
in the annual census so that it might

1907
01:13:57,440 --> 01:13:58,719
have been done

1908
01:13:58,719 --> 01:14:01,199
fairly recently we would have a

1909
01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:05,120
fairly accurate baseline to work from

1910
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:07,760
mr colton yeah the mayor is correct um

1911
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:09,760
it's the emergency tenant protection act

1912
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:10,719
which

1913
01:14:10,719 --> 01:14:12,880
is passed in 2019

1914
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:14,080
you have to have a study as the mayor

1915
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:15,600
indicated to confirm that the applicable

1916
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:17,840
jurisdiction has less than a 5 vacancy

1917
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:18,640
rate

1918
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:20,320
and it does not apply to buildings

1919
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:22,400
containing less than 6 units rent

1920
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:24,480
control departments

1921
01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:27,199
non-profit units housing supervised by

1922
01:14:27,199 --> 01:14:29,280
the government which would be you know

1923
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:30,880
obviously those people with housing

1924
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:32,480
choice vouchers

1925
01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:34,480
um and substantially rehabilitated

1926
01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:37,199
housing and housing uh within buildings

1927
01:14:37,199 --> 01:14:39,760
completed after 1973. so when you look

1928
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:40,880
at it it's probably gonna be a very

1929
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:44,000
small number of units that would

1930
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:46,400
be a part of it

1931
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,080
seems as though we'll wouldn't apply to

1932
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,800
two family homes single family homes

1933
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:52,320
which you know looking at the numbers

1934
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:54,719
across the city i think that's primarily

1935
01:14:54,719 --> 01:14:56,560
what we're seeing right two family homes

1936
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:57,600
and single-family homes that are being

1937
01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:58,719
rented out

1938
01:14:58,719 --> 01:15:01,120
so stabilization even if the vacancy

1939
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:02,640
rate is under

1940
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:04,320
five percent it would not any

1941
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:05,760
stabilization would not apply to those

1942
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:11,270
units

1943
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:13,679
you know if we're looking at you know a

1944
01:15:13,679 --> 01:15:16,159
small amount of

1945
01:15:16,159 --> 01:15:18,080
units you know even if it is a very

1946
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:20,480
small amount of units you know we look

1947
01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:22,480
at it as to how that translates into

1948
01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:25,360
somebody's actual you know the lobby of

1949
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:27,440
people living in the city that makes a

1950
01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:30,000
huge difference you know so i responded

1951
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,640
i appreciate that clarification with

1952
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:33,679
that you know

1953
01:15:33,679 --> 01:15:34,800
definitely

1954
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:36,239
it's something i still think that we

1955
01:15:36,239 --> 01:15:45,410
need to be

1956
01:15:45,420 --> 01:15:50,790
[Music]

1957
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:52,239
when you think about a place like new

1958
01:15:52,239 --> 01:15:54,080
york city i mean you know most of their

1959
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:55,920
housing is

1960
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:58,560
above six units right so

1961
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:00,719
the idea that larger you know

1962
01:16:00,719 --> 01:16:02,480
municipalities like that that have rent

1963
01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:03,840
control

1964
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:05,360
you know

1965
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:06,960
i understand that now

1966
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,600
i guess that was required of this insane

1967
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:11,360
code

1968
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:12,480
so

1969
01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:14,080
right so that was legislation that was

1970
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:16,800
passed so i mean does that mean that we

1971
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:18,239
couldn't consider something i mean i

1972
01:16:18,239 --> 01:16:20,320
know understand that we don't have many

1973
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:22,480
six house units well we have a few more

1974
01:16:22,480 --> 01:16:24,560
now than we did a few years ago units

1975
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:29,679
that are above um above six but we many people rent from um

1976
01:16:29,679 --> 01:16:31,840
either two family or one family homes

1977
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:33,760
even up to four actually

1978
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:34,640
so

1979
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:36,640
i think it's it's still a conversation

1980
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:38,880
that we have to need to have and and how

1981
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:40,640
do we address it

1982
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:42,560
it's gonna cost homelessness it's gonna

1983
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:45,440
cause people to not be able to eat

1984
01:16:45,440 --> 01:16:48,960
we can't just say well okay you know and

1985
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:50,239
i'm not saying that i have a solution

1986
01:16:50,239 --> 01:16:51,679
clearly i don't

1987
01:16:51,679 --> 01:16:52,640
um

1988
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:54,560
but i think that we do need to talk

1989
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:56,480
about what a solution could be and we

1990
01:16:56,480 --> 01:16:59,520
should also um hear from people and we

1991
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:01,520
would need to do our a lot of homework

1992
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:03,520
initially and also i was thinking about

1993
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:04,800
who we could have come and speak in

1994
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:06,880
terms of the housing um i would just you

1995
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:08,159
know give some suggestions if that's

1996
01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:09,280
what we're going to do

1997
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:11,520
and um but has that conversation and

1998
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:12,560
include

1999
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:15,440
landlords as well as tenants because

2000
01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:17,120
as i always say how you see it depends

2001
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:18,640
on where you sit and so i know that

2002
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:20,320
landlords see it one way in tenancy in

2003
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:22,400
another way but to have someone's rent

2004
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:24,960
increased by what amounted to it over 30

2005
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,360
percent that's significant if we ever

2006
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:29,199
raise taxes 30

2007
01:17:29,199 --> 01:17:31,840
people would just go out of their minds

2008
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:33,760
so you know we have to look this is like

2009
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:35,679
you really increased it by a significant

2010
01:17:35,679 --> 01:17:36,800
amount of money

2011
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:40,149
a person's income

2012
01:17:40,159 --> 01:17:42,880
i'll misspell and also but again you

2013
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,520
know a couple meetings back you know we

2014
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,520
had uh land rovers come to rail and

2015
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:49,600
something that i heard in saying

2016
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:51,120
multiple times

2017
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:52,880
was you know some of the rough

2018
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:54,560
conditions that they're in um and

2019
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:56,640
speaking with them you know how they're

2020
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:58,800
struggling themselves to make them you

2021
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:01,280
know to make ends meet and uh it seemed

2022
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,199
like a lot of that was you know

2023
01:18:03,199 --> 01:18:06,480
based on the tenants that are living in in their

2024
01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:08,159
housing which is

2025
01:18:08,159 --> 01:18:10,239
ridiculous um for someone to have to go

2026
01:18:10,239 --> 01:18:11,440
through some of the things that they

2027
01:18:11,440 --> 01:18:12,719
were going through

2028
01:18:12,719 --> 01:18:13,600
i

2029
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:15,520
the point

2030
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:16,960
i want to make sure that we're i'm

2031
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:18,159
intentional about focusing the

2032
01:18:18,159 --> 01:18:20,560
conversation in the way

2033
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:22,080
of a solution that can be mutually

2034
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:24,719
beneficial and i don't just think that

2035
01:18:24,719 --> 01:18:26,800
you know if i heard the landlords can

2036
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,199
continue to say affordable housing right

2037
01:18:29,199 --> 01:18:30,880
and i think affordable this is a

2038
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:34,719
relative term right um but you know

2039
01:18:34,719 --> 01:18:36,239
if we can

2040
01:18:36,239 --> 01:18:39,040
look at what is out there and to see

2041
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,520
maybe um that's something we could apply

2042
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:43,760
here that would be mutually beneficial

2043
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:45,920
even if it's only for a small

2044
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:48,000
number of units um

2045
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:49,440
if you know

2046
01:18:49,440 --> 01:18:51,040
every unit

2047
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,600
that is safe affordable

2048
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:54,880
and someone lives in here that's

2049
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:56,640
somebody that's not

2050
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:58,880
homeless somebody that's somebody that's

2051
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:01,760
not you know

2052
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:04,080
on you know section eight winnings which

2053
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:05,280
i don't know

2054
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:06,480
how many of the council members are

2055
01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:10,239
familiar with the length of those

2056
01:19:10,239 --> 01:19:13,760
you know waiting listings so i just that

2057
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:15,840
it's something that even if it doesn't

2058
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:18,239
look like a large amount of numbers of

2059
01:19:18,239 --> 01:19:21,199
units it is a large amount of impact

2060
01:19:21,199 --> 01:19:23,280
it's something that we can find on that

2061
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,520
yeah that's useful

2062
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,360
mrs williams i think one of my final

2063
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:28,480
points is

2064
01:19:28,480 --> 01:19:30,000
i look at the direction our city is

2065
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:31,760
moving towards where we've had

2066
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:33,440
conversations over the past few years

2067
01:19:33,440 --> 01:19:35,280
about community policing and community

2068
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:37,440
schools that the idea of looking at a

2069
01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:39,280
situation from multiple angles to

2070
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:41,120
understand what

2071
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:44,000
an approach can be i think allows us to

2072
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:46,159
just look at things through a critical

2073
01:19:46,159 --> 01:19:48,960
lens and not pigeonholing ourselves to

2074
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:51,840
only responding through

2075
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:54,320
tried and true measures so i think

2076
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:55,760
having a conversation with this thing

2077
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:57,840
that we made our mind up and just opens

2078
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:04,950
up the dialogue

2079
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:07,990
anyone else

2080
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:09,920
so um

2081
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:12,880
so am i understanding that

2082
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:14,800
between two of these that you want to

2083
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:25,030
have the town hall and have rent

2084
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:26,480
all right so

2085
01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:28,239
you can send it out that would be one of

2086
01:20:28,239 --> 01:20:29,840
the topics and then we'll all respond to

2087
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:32,080
that um i definitely you know i said it

2088
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:33,440
before i said it again i'll say it again

2089
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:35,199
i think that's definitely a conversation

2090
01:20:35,199 --> 01:20:41,360
that we need to have in and hear all aspects of the conversation and um

2091
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:42,960
just do it in a mindful way that people

2092
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:44,960
know that we're listening both landlords

2093
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:47,520
and tenants know that we're listening

2094
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:49,040
to the problems of the community mr

2095
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:50,719
mayor i i

2096
01:20:50,719 --> 01:20:52,480
don't want to create the controversy

2097
01:20:52,480 --> 01:20:53,920
because i believe

2098
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:56,560
that mr williams comes up to go out to

2099
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:58,400
the town meetings

2100
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:00,159
on this path if you're going to have

2101
01:21:00,159 --> 01:21:02,560
that as a topic aren't you better off

2102
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:05,120
having a city council meeting where it's

2103
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:07,199
recorded in the minutes of the meeting

2104
01:21:07,199 --> 01:21:09,760
and it may then create a basis for

2105
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:12,000
legislative action or if you do it the

2106
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:16,000
town hall it's all informal it's a nice

2107
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:20,310
narrative but

2108
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:22,159
it may not give you the full weight that

2109
01:21:22,159 --> 01:21:22,960
you

2110
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:25,520
want from it

2111
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:26,320
so

2112
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:28,239
i guess this is a question for you so mr

2113
01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:30,000
upholding if we do a town hall format

2114
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:30,960
that's like

2115
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:32,560
we just like got together

2116
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:34,480
um or do we call it a special meeting i

2117
01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:36,719
mean what can we do about that i can't

2118
01:21:36,719 --> 01:21:38,560
advise you on what obviously what to do

2119
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:40,719
i mean you're certainly you know could

2120
01:21:40,719 --> 01:21:43,199
have a town hall meeting as a council

2121
01:21:43,199 --> 01:21:44,880
i think what the mayor's

2122
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:46,639
driving at is if there's some

2123
01:21:46,639 --> 01:21:48,159
legislative action that takes place at

2124
01:21:48,159 --> 01:21:50,400
some point in the future

2125
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:53,840
you obviously you know afford to be

2126
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:55,920
you know to take action there has to be

2127
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:57,840
some basis generally a lot of times you

2128
01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:59,040
know maybe

2129
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:00,000
you know

2130
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:01,920
you can take notes and all that but if

2131
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:03,280
there's legislation that's going to be

2132
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:07,350
happening at some point in the future

2133
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:09,360
i would advise the council to have some

2134
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:12,080
type of basis for taking that action and

2135
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:14,239
if you know things are

2136
01:22:14,239 --> 01:22:17,360
informally done at a town hall

2137
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:18,880
and you don't have minutes and you don't

2138
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:20,560
have you know some type of record of

2139
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:22,080
what took place it becomes more

2140
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:23,520
difficult

2141
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:29,270
to legislate with that informality

2142
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:30,880
so i

2143
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:32,239
you know

2144
01:22:32,239 --> 01:22:34,320
why not do both right like why can't you

2145
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:36,719
know what people do i think that

2146
01:22:36,719 --> 01:22:38,719
having the town hall format

2147
01:22:38,719 --> 01:22:39,920
um

2148
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:42,159
gives people um

2149
01:22:42,159 --> 01:22:44,480
a chance to you know

2150
01:22:44,480 --> 01:22:47,600
participate and give us some information

2151
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:49,520
in in a different setting

2152
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:59,910
and you know i i don't think

2153
01:22:59,920 --> 01:23:01,760
a special meeting or whatever you know

2154
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,639
what recognition that approach

2155
01:23:04,639 --> 01:23:17,350
can do

2156
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:18,480
i'm not texting anyone i was just

2157
01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:20,480
looking up special meetings to see

2158
01:23:20,480 --> 01:23:22,320
if that was an option

2159
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:26,310
um so

2160
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:29,120
um i think that we have to to i mean we

2161
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:30,400
don't have to make the decision tonight

2162
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:32,320
but i think you definitely have to um

2163
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:35,280
make some decisions um i just pulled it

2164
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:36,800
up but i don't think it's enough here

2165
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:39,120
for me to um

2166
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:40,719
okay so it looks like if we call the

2167
01:23:40,719 --> 01:23:42,080
special meeting we could call a special

2168
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:44,320
meeting one topic

2169
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:45,840
and that would it could be a city

2170
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:47,280
council special meeting based on that

2171
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:48,719
and that would capture

2172
01:23:48,719 --> 01:23:51,199
the information as well

2173
01:23:51,199 --> 01:23:53,440
so that's another option

2174
01:23:53,440 --> 01:23:59,990
as opposed to found off

2175
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:04,080
so mr charlie this is your topic um

2176
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:05,920
i guess it's kind of both of your topics

2177
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:07,920
what what is your would you like to see

2178
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:09,600
the next steps on this were you asking

2179
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:12,000
at the council yeah so i think the next

2180
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:15,110
steps will be

2181
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:16,560
we're just going to send um some things

2182
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:17,760
um

2183
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:19,440
and i think that

2184
01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:22,320
i i fully you know i wanted to

2185
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:25,760
introduce this um conversation here um

2186
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:28,719
but i think that it definitely uh

2187
01:24:28,719 --> 01:24:32,480
lends itself well to uh

2188
01:24:32,480 --> 01:24:34,960
you know whatever format you know you

2189
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:36,639
ultimately decide on but i think that

2190
01:24:36,639 --> 01:24:38,320
this is i would just like to see this

2191
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:40,639
conversation happen

2192
01:24:40,639 --> 01:24:42,800
and i'd like to see our welcome

2193
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:48,870
counselor

2194
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:50,719
but

2195
01:24:50,719 --> 01:24:51,920
this is people's lives that we're

2196
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:53,360
talking about here and i think that's

2197
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:58,390
just something i want to continue

2198
01:24:58,400 --> 01:24:59,760
so i know we had a lot of conversation

2199
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:01,840
whether she did a town hall meeting or

2200
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:03,840
in the mayor brought back before that if

2201
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:06,159
it's not official then it doesn't do

2202
01:25:06,159 --> 01:25:07,920
anything so chapter 28 does speak for

2203
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:09,760
special meetings so that's another we

2204
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:11,760
could have a special meeting outside of

2205
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:15,040
city hall that um in a larger venue

2206
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:16,960
um that would

2207
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:18,800
for that particular topic and then you

2208
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:20,320
know still capture the information and

2209
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:22,000
that would satisfy

2210
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:23,280
everything

2211
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:24,320
so

2212
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:26,800
yes ms patrick or we could i mean or we

2213
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:30,080
could do a city council meeting here

2214
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:32,239
where we have the reporting we have the

2215
01:25:32,239 --> 01:25:35,120
city clerk we have you know office staff

2216
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:37,920
et cetera right in this building um and

2217
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:39,920
do it as part of a city council meeting

2218
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:40,800
right

2219
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:42,639
public hearing or

2220
01:25:42,639 --> 01:25:45,040
we already i mean we obviously had i

2221
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:46,480
think there were 16 different

2222
01:25:46,480 --> 01:25:48,320
individuals that spoke

2223
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:49,120
um

2224
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:51,199
from the landlord

2225
01:25:51,199 --> 01:25:53,280
we did hear from the one person last

2226
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:56,480
week obviously at the rail um

2227
01:25:56,480 --> 01:25:58,320
but

2228
01:25:58,320 --> 01:25:59,520
i don't know again i don't know that we

2229
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:01,280
need a special city council meeting that

2230
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:02,400
we can

2231
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:04,400
do it during a city council meeting if

2232
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:06,880
that if that to fit with the idea of

2233
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:11,830
reporting and that type of thing

2234
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:14,320
well we can record wherever we go and

2235
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:15,199
so

2236
01:26:15,199 --> 01:26:17,679
um mr williams do you have any i'm sorry

2237
01:26:17,679 --> 01:26:19,920
so i think part of the wanting to get

2238
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:21,600
actionable on this is i feel like we

2239
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:23,520
keep having a circle circular

2240
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:25,040
conversation

2241
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:27,040
the intent is to have a conversation in

2242
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:28,400
the community what's an appropriate

2243
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:30,800
topic to find an appropriate topic and

2244
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:33,040
if it somehow comes back to

2245
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:35,520
it would be easier to maintain it here i

2246
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:37,199
didn't kind of miss the overall intent

2247
01:26:37,199 --> 01:26:38,880
of wanting to meet the community where

2248
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:40,000
they are

2249
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,239
i understand that there are other

2250
01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:44,400
already established meeting settings

2251
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:46,639
such as neighborhood associated meetings

2252
01:26:46,639 --> 01:26:48,639
but i think we need to be intentional

2253
01:26:48,639 --> 01:26:52,239
with having a designated time to go out

2254
01:26:52,239 --> 01:26:54,400
whether it is a town hall or whether

2255
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:55,840
it's a special meeting which i did

2256
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:57,840
recommend first rose recommended that we

2257
01:26:57,840 --> 01:26:59,440
did not need that

2258
01:26:59,440 --> 01:27:02,880
i am in favor of doing whatever as long

2259
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:06,480
as we can get to the community that's if i'm going to be being very

2260
01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:08,719
transparent that's what i want

2261
01:27:08,719 --> 01:27:11,280
and i understand that i'm not it's not a

2262
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:13,360
council of college lawyers

2263
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:16,000
so i recognize the importance of

2264
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:17,600
meeting everyone where they are but

2265
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:19,679
without any other input from the council

2266
01:27:19,679 --> 01:27:21,440
i would absolutely recommend having a

2267
01:27:21,440 --> 01:27:22,880
special meeting

2268
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:24,880
at destiny location and i can put

2269
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:27,199
together all the homework assignments

2270
01:27:27,199 --> 01:27:28,159
that were

2271
01:27:28,159 --> 01:27:30,719
given to me to get the proper message

2272
01:27:30,719 --> 01:27:33,040
get the menu products and outlines and

2273
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:35,120
counselors for us to discuss

2274
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:37,360
behind the scenes and that way we can

2275
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:38,800
out we can roll this out to the

2276
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:40,239
community the appropriate way so people

2277
01:27:40,239 --> 01:27:42,400
are aware not so that they can come in

2278
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:44,719
full force posturing just so they can

2279
01:27:44,719 --> 01:27:47,199
come with their stories that we can hear

2280
01:27:47,199 --> 01:27:50,000
and be able to have a validity with how

2281
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:56,790
we should respond

2282
01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:10,950
or is that just thinking what's that

2283
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:17,270
and i don't even know what you're saying

2284
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:19,760
yes so again um i think we keep having

2285
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:21,199
this conversation because i think two

2286
01:28:21,199 --> 01:28:23,520
meetings ago we did decide that we

2287
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:25,679
didn't want to do city hall meetings

2288
01:28:25,679 --> 01:28:27,440
outside of city hall

2289
01:28:27,440 --> 01:28:29,600
i think that was the decision um and

2290
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:31,120
that that's how we got to the town hall

2291
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:33,040
meeting place

2292
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:34,400
so

2293
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:36,080
i personally would like to stick with

2294
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:39,590
that idea

2295
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:41,440
i don't think it was a final decision i

2296
01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:43,040
think it was a discussion i don't think

2297
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:45,440
we finally said yes absolutely no city

2298
01:28:45,440 --> 01:28:47,120
council meetings outside of town and if

2299
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:48,800
somebody else heard it differently

2300
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:50,320
let me know

2301
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:51,440
um

2302
01:28:51,440 --> 01:28:53,120
so

2303
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:54,719
all right we just you got to get some

2304
01:28:54,719 --> 01:28:56,400
things out of here right tonight

2305
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:59,520
so are we going to have a town hall and

2306
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:02,159
the city council meeting to address this

2307
01:29:02,159 --> 01:29:03,120
because

2308
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:05,360
the whole purpose of mr um

2309
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:07,040
is bringing this forward was that we

2310
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:08,800
actually engage the community outside

2311
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:11,120
the community we go to meetings

2312
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:14,000
often um and we

2313
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:16,480
sort of hosted one with the um oh um the

2314
01:29:16,480 --> 01:29:18,080
cannabis events we just kind of like

2315
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:19,679
helped them but they really did all the

2316
01:29:19,679 --> 01:29:22,800
work there so that we we've done that so

2317
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:24,480
i i'm not sure why we're opposed to

2318
01:29:24,480 --> 01:29:26,560
doing more things like that where people

2319
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:27,760
clearly

2320
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:29,360
people came to that meeting that

2321
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:31,040
probably we've never seen in the city

2322
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:33,280
council meeting because it was a topic

2323
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:35,199
they were interested in

2324
01:29:35,199 --> 01:29:35,920
so

2325
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:39,440
i don't see why we are objecting to

2326
01:29:39,440 --> 01:29:42,400
going meaning outside of

2327
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:43,840
um

2328
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:45,679
these four walls or however many walls

2329
01:29:45,679 --> 01:29:47,120
they're off

2330
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:48,560
so i'm not sure why there's a major

2331
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:51,430
objection to that

2332
01:29:51,440 --> 01:29:53,040
and um

2333
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:54,159
i think i heard from every council

2334
01:29:54,159 --> 01:29:55,840
member except mr moon do you have any

2335
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:57,280
thoughts on this

2336
01:29:57,280 --> 01:29:59,920
no i'm okay but i had a title

2337
01:29:59,920 --> 01:30:04,550
either format

2338
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:06,400
so the discussion is like how do we look

2339
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:08,239
forward to you know

2340
01:30:08,239 --> 01:30:10,400
do we just take do we do the special

2341
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:13,360
meeting or do we do the town hall and

2342
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:15,120
city council meeting which is more of

2343
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:24,709
the same and will people come to vote

2344
01:30:24,719 --> 01:30:27,600
right right right um yes and i was just

2345
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:29,040
reminded that we went out to the

2346
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:31,120
community when we talked about arthur we

2347
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:33,040
presented ourselves to the community so

2348
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:34,639
disable the needs what's that

2349
01:30:34,639 --> 01:30:36,159
neighborhood meetings

2350
01:30:36,159 --> 01:30:38,000
no we created those meetings those

2351
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:39,760
meetings were created by us you know i

2352
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:42,719
think the i think the mayor and the city

2353
01:30:42,719 --> 01:30:44,080
development office but that's what i'm

2354
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:45,360
talking about those neighborhood

2355
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:47,360
meetings were really effective but they

2356
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:49,120
weren't just for they weren't they were

2357
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:51,280
specifically for arka it wasn't like the

2358
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:52,480
neighborhood association is meeting

2359
01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:54,080
right no no i i know what you're saying

2360
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:56,000
right um but i'm saying that's what i

2361
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:57,920
think we talked about in terms of this

2362
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:00,320
idea of a town meeting was the exact

2363
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:01,840
same thing we even said that two

2364
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:03,760
meetings ago that those neighborhood

2365
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:07,040
meetings were a perfect model of a way

2366
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:09,520
to solicit and the idea was for us to

2367
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:10,960
not say anything

2368
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:12,960
as city council people but to go and

2369
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:14,719
listen and i think we all did pretty

2370
01:31:14,719 --> 01:31:16,639
much go i know i missed one i think

2371
01:31:16,639 --> 01:31:19,040
maybe each of us missed one out of all

2372
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:20,400
the united

2373
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:21,280
uh

2374
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:22,880
of those meetings

2375
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:24,639
and they were really informative so i

2376
01:31:24,639 --> 01:31:27,120
think that that is a good model this

2377
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:28,960
town hall meeting neighborhood meeting

2378
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:30,400
whatever you want to call it is a good

2379
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:32,960
model to solicit input

2380
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:35,760
on a topic i think with the cannabis one

2381
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:37,920
again i mean if we had said we're going

2382
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:39,760
to have the cannabis office cannabis

2383
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:41,520
management come and do that meeting here

2384
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:43,120
at city hall those folks would have

2385
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:44,480
showed up at city hall i mean i don't

2386
01:31:44,480 --> 01:31:46,159
know that to be true it's right across

2387
01:31:46,159 --> 01:31:49,350
the street i know what it is

2388
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:50,480
right that's what i'm saying though i

2389
01:31:50,480 --> 01:31:52,080
think that nobody else

2390
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:54,320
would have would have come to this

2391
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:56,080
building just as they did to the library

2392
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:57,440
which is another good setting for a

2393
01:31:57,440 --> 01:31:59,199
neighborhood meeting by the way

2394
01:31:59,199 --> 01:32:01,830
um

2395
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:03,280
but what i'm saying to you what i'm

2396
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:05,760
saying about that is i

2397
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:07,280
know some people that were meeting i

2398
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:08,800
personally invited people i had people

2399
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:10,320
invite people who have never and i've

2400
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:11,360
invited some of those same people to

2401
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:12,400
city hall

2402
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:14,719
who have never shown up so for some

2403
01:32:14,719 --> 01:32:15,840
people

2404
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:17,199
um not there's anything wrong with city

2405
01:32:17,199 --> 01:32:19,760
hall we all love it here certainly um

2406
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:21,520
but there's some people that just feel a

2407
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:23,440
little bit more comfortable outside of

2408
01:32:23,440 --> 01:32:25,040
what they consider very formal

2409
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:27,520
environments and so um so that's where

2410
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:28,560
we're just trying to meet people where

2411
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:33,830
they are

2412
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:35,920
mr i think

2413
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:38,639
this is a very certain conversation

2414
01:32:38,639 --> 01:32:40,719
and i think it's it's pretty clear that

2415
01:32:40,719 --> 01:32:42,480
this is just about

2416
01:32:42,480 --> 01:32:45,760
accessibility and we should be thinking

2417
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:47,679
of different ways

2418
01:32:47,679 --> 01:32:48,719
to be

2419
01:32:48,719 --> 01:32:50,639
um you know where tradition shouldn't

2420
01:32:50,639 --> 01:32:52,719
stifle innovation here we should be

2421
01:32:52,719 --> 01:32:54,880
thinking of ways to create more entry

2422
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:56,560
points for people to be involved it

2423
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:58,800
sounds like a good idea to do that so

2424
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:00,560
can we just do that so we can do

2425
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:02,239
something or we just come keep into our

2426
01:33:02,239 --> 01:33:04,639
circular conversation

2427
01:33:04,639 --> 01:33:07,120
and i again support the

2428
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:08,639
issues that i brought forth as far as

2429
01:33:08,639 --> 01:33:11,040
residency organization i support that

2430
01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:13,600
being that so my

2431
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:14,400
let's

2432
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:16,800
do a special meeting

2433
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:18,400
in the community

2434
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:21,120
on rent stabilization

2435
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:26,149
that's my position

2436
01:33:26,159 --> 01:33:27,199
okay

2437
01:33:27,199 --> 01:33:31,110
so

2438
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:33,520
i'm i i could support that but i guess

2439
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:34,880
we would have to kind of take a straw

2440
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:36,400
hole because it's going to need at least

2441
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:37,840
four of us who say that we're willing to

2442
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:40,080
do that

2443
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:42,800
so i'll start meeting mr feldman no it

2444
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:44,800
should be a town hall

2445
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:47,440
the idea of a special meeting i think

2446
01:33:47,440 --> 01:33:49,679
there's restrictions that we want to be

2447
01:33:49,679 --> 01:33:51,120
able to hear people

2448
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:52,960
and to get to the what we're trying to

2449
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:54,400
achieve

2450
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:56,800
just in my mind it doesn't accomplish it

2451
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:58,800
and secondly

2452
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:01,760
when we have a center of government

2453
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:03,360
and people aren't coming here that's a

2454
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:05,199
problem

2455
01:34:05,199 --> 01:34:08,000
because we want people to come here

2456
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:09,440
and be able to

2457
01:34:09,440 --> 01:34:10,719
address us

2458
01:34:10,719 --> 01:34:12,560
to be able to

2459
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:14,639
bring their concerns and be comfortable

2460
01:34:14,639 --> 01:34:15,600
here

2461
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:17,600
and we're out in the community all the

2462
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:21,360
time i'm even gonna say we i know i am

2463
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:23,199
and several other people

2464
01:34:23,199 --> 01:34:26,639
so this this notion that we're not going

2465
01:34:26,639 --> 01:34:28,239
to people except when there's an

2466
01:34:28,239 --> 01:34:30,960
election is this false

2467
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:33,520
but we need people to come here in order

2468
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:35,040
to be comfortable

2469
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:36,719
it doesn't mean we don't have other

2470
01:34:36,719 --> 01:34:40,239
arenas like a town hall in order to

2471
01:34:40,239 --> 01:34:42,880
uh hear what people have to say

2472
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:44,800
but when we're conducting official

2473
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:47,360
business there's a reason we have city

2474
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:48,560
hall

2475
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:50,400
and we want people to be comfortable

2476
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:52,400
coming here and if they're not

2477
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:54,480
comfortable coming here

2478
01:34:54,480 --> 01:34:56,400
and having something intentionally

2479
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:59,920
outside just for the comfort level

2480
01:34:59,920 --> 01:35:02,080
that's sending the wrong message we want

2481
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:04,639
people to be comfortable coming to our

2482
01:35:04,639 --> 01:35:06,480
meetings

2483
01:35:06,480 --> 01:35:08,159
and by doing this we're sending the

2484
01:35:08,159 --> 01:35:09,679
wrong message

2485
01:35:09,679 --> 01:35:12,320
mr tara i'd be in favor of a town hall

2486
01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:14,480
at a special meeting i think if we have

2487
01:35:14,480 --> 01:35:16,239
to have a special meeting we'll be here

2488
01:35:16,239 --> 01:35:17,920
in the council chambers

2489
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:22,070
but a town hall for sure

2490
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:24,320
assuming to them so mr williams you

2491
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:26,000
started out this evening discussing that

2492
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:28,480
you're in favor of a top hall

2493
01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:31,760
and mr mccarthy just stepped in to say

2494
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:33,760
take official action you need to do it

2495
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:35,840
so kind of like

2496
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:37,440
based on your research and everything

2497
01:35:37,440 --> 01:35:38,880
that you put together you're more in

2498
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:40,800
favor of a tom hall

2499
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:42,960
forces on the special um

2500
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:45,040
committee meeting is that

2501
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:48,480
what you were discussing earlier today

2502
01:35:48,480 --> 01:35:50,000
i was looking forward to hearing some

2503
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:51,440
input from the other council members

2504
01:35:51,440 --> 01:35:53,600
that is the first time mr palomi has

2505
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:55,920
said that during this discussion started

2506
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:57,199
hearing that

2507
01:35:57,199 --> 01:35:59,280
absolutely i would be willing to go back

2508
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:01,520
to having a town hall meeting my whole

2509
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:04,320
and my old uh intentions with that

2510
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:06,159
compromise was trying to figure out a

2511
01:36:06,159 --> 01:36:08,239
way to collaboratively work with each

2512
01:36:08,239 --> 01:36:09,199
other

2513
01:36:09,199 --> 01:36:11,199
but having made that calm so late in the

2514
01:36:11,199 --> 01:36:12,400
conversation

2515
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:14,000
if i had the opportunity i would have

2516
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:15,600
done what i wanted to do first because

2517
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:16,880
of special meeting

2518
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:19,760
but hearing this now i can

2519
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:22,320
have a ton of me but my vote's not now

2520
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:25,669
true

2521
01:36:25,679 --> 01:36:27,040
yeah i'm

2522
01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:30,560
since basically a discussion earlier i'm going to be at this point if i'm in

2523
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:33,910
fayetteville

2524
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:36,719
it's patrick i'm in favor of town hall

2525
01:36:36,719 --> 01:36:38,080
whether we call it town hall or a

2526
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:40,320
neighborhood meeting i have expressed i

2527
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:42,400
think we did express a couple meetings

2528
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:44,239
when we first had that first discussion

2529
01:36:44,239 --> 01:36:46,480
mr williams i think we all did say that

2530
01:36:46,480 --> 01:36:48,639
this is the place that we you know want

2531
01:36:48,639 --> 01:36:50,480
to develop an official business at least

2532
01:36:50,480 --> 01:36:52,800
i think that i i think that mr coleman

2533
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:54,159
didn't say that i don't know i know i

2534
01:36:54,159 --> 01:36:56,880
said it um but i do think i'll go back

2535
01:36:56,880 --> 01:37:00,400
to i'll go back to um you know the

2536
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:02,320
event that um

2537
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:04,320
miss cornfield and miss de toro and i

2538
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:08,000
had with um some young women

2539
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:10,400
young girls and young women

2540
01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:13,360
from the school district here i do think

2541
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:15,840
that i like the idea of opening our

2542
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:18,639
doors even in that way like having girl

2543
01:37:18,639 --> 01:37:20,320
scout troops or boy scout troops that

2544
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:25,040
come in and you know meet with folks and get to tour the place um you know so

2545
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:27,520
i think to the question of how do we

2546
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:29,360
think outside the box around those kinds

2547
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:32,000
of things i think i think starting to

2548
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:33,600
have tours or whatever i mean the

2549
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:35,440
history that we talked about that day

2550
01:37:35,440 --> 01:37:38,639
was informative even to me um so i think

2551
01:37:38,639 --> 01:37:40,320
that there are ways that we can do that

2552
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:42,800
but i i do appreciate the fact that this

2553
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:48,639
is the seat of our government here and i agree that

2554
01:37:48,639 --> 01:37:49,840
we have to figure out ways to make it

2555
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:52,239
comfortable but in this regard i say

2556
01:37:52,239 --> 01:37:55,750
town hall name of the meeting

2557
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:57,440
so

2558
01:37:57,440 --> 01:37:58,560
again

2559
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:00,080
i just i'm in the favor of doing

2560
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:01,199
something

2561
01:38:01,199 --> 01:38:03,520
and i think that you know

2562
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:04,960
and

2563
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:07,840
making things accessible to people

2564
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:10,480
i am not married to being a special

2565
01:38:10,480 --> 01:38:13,679
meeting i would fully support being a

2566
01:38:13,679 --> 01:38:14,840
town hall

2567
01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:17,520
um and

2568
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:19,600
you know not either or but yes and so

2569
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:23,920
yes town hall and we you know we are

2570
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:26,480
being intentional about increasing

2571
01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:28,639
access and hearing so from our

2572
01:38:28,639 --> 01:38:30,719
non-traditional voices that don't come

2573
01:38:30,719 --> 01:38:33,840
in the city hall because we do official

2574
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:36,000
business here at city hall but we do the

2575
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:38,480
business of the people at city hall so

2576
01:38:38,480 --> 01:38:40,639
we need to be going to the people and

2577
01:38:40,639 --> 01:38:42,639
finding ways to do that

2578
01:38:42,639 --> 01:38:44,800
so i'm all for the town hall that's what

2579
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:47,360
we want to do um and i again i think we

2580
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:50,560
should talk about rent stabilization um

2581
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:55,750
that's what i got there for today

2582
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:57,760
mr

2583
01:38:57,760 --> 01:38:58,880
so without

2584
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:01,760
trying to beat the dead horse i think i

2585
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:03,920
think looking at something as simple as

2586
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:05,520
our green market which is an awesome

2587
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:07,119
resource for

2588
01:39:07,119 --> 01:39:09,199
our community to showcase to the capital

2589
01:39:09,199 --> 01:39:10,159
region

2590
01:39:10,159 --> 01:39:11,600
there are often times where i'll walk

2591
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:13,119
around asking people do you live in the

2592
01:39:13,119 --> 01:39:15,600
city and more times than not they don't

2593
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:17,520
so i think that is a case in point that

2594
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:20,239
how if we expected people to have to

2595
01:39:20,239 --> 01:39:22,639
traverse down here to get any

2596
01:39:22,639 --> 01:39:25,280
governmental access i think that's wrong

2597
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:26,880
and it's not to say that this shouldn't

2598
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:28,400
be the focal point because i agree with

2599
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:29,600
you

2600
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:31,520
what i'm saying is if there are

2601
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:33,199
opportunities for us to take this

2602
01:39:33,199 --> 01:39:35,600
vehicle into the community

2603
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:37,199
why not try it

2604
01:39:37,199 --> 01:39:39,119
and we're not marrying ourselves to

2605
01:39:39,119 --> 01:39:41,199
doing this on a

2606
01:39:41,199 --> 01:39:42,880
quarterly basis which is what i

2607
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:44,400
recommended first

2608
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:46,159
about understanding that this is a

2609
01:39:46,159 --> 01:39:48,400
process and having gone through several

2610
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:49,760
drafts of this conversation this is

2611
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:52,000
where we're at and i'm excited so i look

2612
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:54,400
forward to capturing all the notes that

2613
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:56,480
i compiled so that we make sure when we

2614
01:39:56,480 --> 01:39:59,119
do engage the community and a town hall

2615
01:39:59,119 --> 01:40:01,199
site which we'll be putting us to it is

2616
01:40:01,199 --> 01:40:03,280
appropriate and we'll take the lessons

2617
01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:05,520
learned and we will discuss whether this

2618
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:06,719
was a benefit

2619
01:40:06,719 --> 01:40:10,390
or

2620
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:11,119
so

2621
01:40:11,119 --> 01:40:12,960
it looks like it's settled town hall is

2622
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:14,400
the direction we need to go in but i

2623
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:15,840
think we do need to capture it somehow

2624
01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:17,440
mayor so we have to we will have to

2625
01:40:17,440 --> 01:40:18,960
think more about how we actually get

2626
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:20,239
people in again

2627
01:40:20,239 --> 01:40:22,880
to talk about this and um so having

2628
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:24,560
people come in to talk as you made the

2629
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:26,560
point this time it's not the tour was us

2630
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:28,080
telling them and describing them this

2631
01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:29,840
time with them telling us

2632
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:32,229
so

2633
01:40:32,239 --> 01:40:34,639
i meant that i like the idea of trying

2634
01:40:34,639 --> 01:40:35,679
to

2635
01:40:35,679 --> 01:40:37,840
that was a separate thing okay that was

2636
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:40,159
me digressing into the way that we can

2637
01:40:40,159 --> 01:40:41,600
start to make people feel comfortable

2638
01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:43,600
about coming here is maybe talking to

2639
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:45,679
young people and having young people

2640
01:40:45,679 --> 01:40:48,400
come here um and

2641
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:50,800
sharing with them what this place is um

2642
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:52,639
i mean i think we heard that day that

2643
01:40:52,639 --> 01:40:54,639
somebody that came didn't even know that

2644
01:40:54,639 --> 01:40:56,000
there was such a thing as the city of

2645
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:58,080
all of where to see it all was so i

2646
01:40:58,080 --> 01:40:59,440
think the more that we can do those

2647
01:40:59,440 --> 01:41:01,199
kinds of things as well

2648
01:41:01,199 --> 01:41:02,320
um

2649
01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:04,320
i'm not play something okay what we're

2650
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:06,159
talking about i'm saying okay kids i

2651
01:41:06,159 --> 01:41:07,920
didn't quite get it yeah no it's a nice

2652
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:09,760
way to get people to come down here we

2653
01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:10,800
can do

2654
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:12,800
i'm sure they're able to post coffee and

2655
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:14,639
donuts for adults maybe even that

2656
01:41:14,639 --> 01:41:16,080
haven't been here but i'm just i'm

2657
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:17,840
joking but i'm just saying i mean i

2658
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:20,000
think there's ways to to to introduce

2659
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:21,840
people to city hall as well

2660
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:23,520
so um just to like

2661
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:25,280
return the focus to this so we're going

2662
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:27,600
to do a town hall meeting

2663
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:29,600
with the

2664
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:31,520
you want the discussion to be rent

2665
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:33,280
stabilization i think we do have some

2666
01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:35,600
homework to do um before that

2667
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:37,440
um mr

2668
01:41:37,440 --> 01:41:39,600
williams send out the dates and then we

2669
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:41,520
can all decide oh well can you just

2670
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:43,040
check to make sure none of them fall on

2671
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:45,280
the uh neighborhood association dave

2672
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:47,360
email has sent out the date and then

2673
01:41:47,360 --> 01:41:48,239
we'll

2674
01:41:48,239 --> 01:41:49,600
say yes no

2675
01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:51,760
you know which state works for us

2676
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:53,520
and take from there and then and just as

2677
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:55,119
a reminder we still need to do something

2678
01:41:55,119 --> 01:41:56,639
so that it can be

2679
01:41:56,639 --> 01:41:58,080
because the mayor said it needs to in

2680
01:41:58,080 --> 01:41:59,600
order to if we're going to move forward

2681
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:00,960
and do anything we have to have some way

2682
01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:02,960
that we officially capture

2683
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:04,560
what we're doing here so and the town

2684
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:07,679
hall does not meet that particular

2685
01:42:07,679 --> 01:42:08,880
need

2686
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:09,760
so

2687
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:11,440
we have to record it

2688
01:42:11,440 --> 01:42:12,800
right

2689
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:15,189
take

2690
01:42:15,199 --> 01:42:16,239
oh

2691
01:42:16,239 --> 01:42:19,750
all right so um

2692
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:22,400
so mr um williams will send that out

2693
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:24,239
we'll head back and hopefully sometime

2694
01:42:24,239 --> 01:42:26,719
in september or early october

2695
01:42:26,719 --> 01:42:28,800
we'll actually move forward on this and

2696
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:31,040
in the meantime um

2697
01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:32,800
if we can keep the council just updating

2698
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:34,080
in terms of

2699
01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:36,960
you know where we are with that

2700
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:37,920
um

2701
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:39,520
mr farley i need to hand it back to you

2702
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:41,040
because you were the this was your topic

2703
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:43,280
of discussion

2704
01:42:43,280 --> 01:42:45,040
i'm just glad that you know we're

2705
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:46,320
talking about this really important

2706
01:42:46,320 --> 01:42:48,320
topic

2707
01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:50,960
for um

2708
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:51,840
making

2709
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:53,280
decisions

2710
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:54,000
you know

2711
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:55,920
informed decisions and making people

2712
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:59,040
access to the hard conversations

2713
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:00,400
okay

2714
01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:03,199
thank you thank you all for your input

2715
01:43:03,199 --> 01:43:05,679
and uh the next item on the agenda is an

2716
01:43:05,679 --> 01:43:08,159
amendment of the bargaining agreement mr

2717
01:43:08,159 --> 01:43:09,520
poland does that need to be an executive

2718
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:10,960
session um i'm requesting that it'd be

2719
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:12,800
an executive session

2720
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:14,960
okay and all remaining items for

2721
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:16,639
property sales also need to be an

2722
01:43:16,639 --> 01:43:18,960
executive session so at this time i'll

2723
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:20,159
entertain a motion to go in the

2724
01:43:20,159 --> 01:43:21,600
executive session

2725
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:25,040
second all those in favor