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[4:11] july 5th
[4:12] 2022 okay
[4:14] first committee is finance
[4:18] mr motaveron thank you call to order
[4:20] finance committee first item of
[4:22] discussion city towing service request
[4:24] for proposal
[4:37] thank you very much
[4:38] all right so a couple things uh the
[4:40] first one i believe you guys all
[4:42] received the city
[4:43] towing proposal
[4:45] we
[4:46] have been on the contract for about two
[4:48] years now so we met with the finance and
[4:50] law department to put together
[4:53] this rfp that we want to set up it's
[4:56] there's a few changes in here that the
[4:58] city is looking for we'll be able to tow
[5:01] larger vehicles be able to store larger
[5:03] vehicles right now we're going to have a
[5:04] spot for those
[5:07] we
[5:09] we're looking to have as many um
[5:12] co-agencies that are willing to
[5:14] put in protocols so we have some options
[5:17] and choices
[5:18] they put a point system in place for how
[5:20] they would be
[5:22] graded as far as what their services are
[5:25] available
[5:33] open up for questions
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[5:38] so
[5:39] are you looking for us to move something
[5:40] here because i have seen that discussion
[5:42] no no this is just that you guys think
[5:44] we want to put this out we just wanted
[5:45] to show you guys if you guys any
[5:47] questions or anything
[5:49] go ahead please
[5:51] this doesn't have to be approved by the
[5:52] council because we're not paying any of
[5:54] the tow companies um this is more of an
[5:57] fyi we want to bring the council's
[5:59] attention
[6:00] because as
[6:02] assistant chief whipple said
[6:04] there are certain fees that we're going
[6:06] to start requiring are charged
[6:09] particularly those larger vehicles have
[6:10] been an issue
[6:12] boats rbs things along those lines that
[6:14] it's very difficult to store
[6:17] also we didn't have anything in our
[6:19] contract specifically related to
[6:22] um
[6:23] the off-road vehicles the motors the
[6:25] dirt bikes and the four-wheelers
[6:28] so we're looking at obviously
[6:29] incorporating that which obviously leads
[6:31] to that second piece which is on the
[6:35] agenda
[6:38] any other questions come in
[6:41] thank you
[6:42] the next item is called for public
[6:43] hearing amending the code of the city of
[6:45] connecticut section
[6:46] 248-100
[6:48] regarding redeeming
[6:50] of off-road vehicle
[6:53] okay so right now it was passed since it
[6:55] was last year um right now that the
[6:58] set
[6:59] by code that's 70
[7:01] for a total fee and twenty dollars a day
[7:03] for storage fees
[7:04] and we want to open up the public
[7:06] carrier so that that can be changed by
[7:07] resolution if you guys decide that you
[7:09] wanna change the fees any time
[7:11] we
[7:12] in our current contract we run into is
[7:15] uh we the regular toffee i think was 165
[7:19] and then when this was passed the tow
[7:21] companies didn't want to tow for the 70
[7:23] so that um came back to the city as far
[7:25] as we had to make up the difference
[7:27] between the two so
[7:31] yeah the issue with this um
[7:33] the council set the fee amount for the
[7:36] tow
[7:37] however the tow companies need to use
[7:40] the same type of vehicles that they have
[7:42] to tow
[7:43] you know dirt bikes atvs and the problem
[7:45] with that is it's still the same cost to
[7:47] them in fact they've said that you know
[7:50] because
[7:51] they have to make sure it doesn't fall
[7:52] over
[7:53] particularly a dirt bike they
[7:55] may actually take additional work to
[7:57] make sure that it's secure which is why
[7:59] they're charging
[8:01] the higher fee so it's strictly to
[8:04] change as ac whipple said the fee
[8:06] structure to remove the set amount
[8:09] and
[8:11] instead modify the code to say to be set
[8:13] by resolution so that in the future the
[8:16] council wouldn't have to have a new call
[8:18] for a public hearing to change the code
[8:20] instead you would just pass a resolution
[8:26] other questions
[8:27] comments
[8:28] so may i have a motion on this item
[8:32] all in favor aye thank you
[8:34] motion to adjourn
[8:36] all in favor aye thank you thank you
[8:40] so i'd like to call the board of the
[8:41] public safety committee we have two
[8:43] items on our agenda tonight the first is
[8:46] the civilian case review board
[8:47] appointment and i'll be discussed by
[8:49] grand park
[8:51] thank you mr chairman uh did you know
[8:53] that the civilian police review board's
[8:55] made up of individuals recommended by
[8:58] different entities within the community
[9:00] and the chamber is recommended
[9:03] during volunteer
[9:05] so i've forwarded that name for your
[9:07] consideration
[9:10] any questions or comments
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[9:16] the second item on the agenda tonight is
[9:18] discussion installing speed humps and
[9:20] i'll be discussed by council president
[9:22] porterfield and mr long mr weldon
[9:25] um as you know the last um committee
[9:27] meeting we talked about this and mr
[9:29] wrong said you've done some research and
[9:31] you've come back with some information
[9:32] for us so that's what we're gonna be
[9:33] hearing today
[9:35] and the feasibility of doing it sure
[9:37] so uh we had an internal meeting last
[9:39] week after we discussed it with myself
[9:41] uh you see what will john flute show
[9:44] regarding what we talked about here
[9:46] about speed bumps in the city of
[9:48] magazine we looked at some locations
[9:50] kind of based upon criteria that we
[9:51] talked about here at priority streets
[9:53] not private streets uh parallel roads
[9:56] where we think we may have issues based
[9:58] off of some of the police data and what
[10:00] we'd like to do is we don't have
[10:01] anything formal yet one of the reasons
[10:04] is that we have been trying to also loop
[10:05] in the fire department we just got some
[10:07] of their comments back today
[10:09] as we want to make sure that this isn't
[10:12] an impediment to fire trucks as talking
[10:15] with our the vendors they have said that has come up in the past so he is
[10:18] okay with these particular locations
[10:21] what we're looking at is two test
[10:23] locations uh the first being duane
[10:26] avenue between craig street and
[10:27] brandywine and the second rugby road
[10:30] between wendell and mcclellan
[10:32] these locations are both feature school
[10:35] zones they're both non-priority roads
[10:37] and specifically with duane avenue it
[10:39] was on a pde list of areas that they
[10:43] have had speeding
[10:45] issues so
[10:46] with those two areas what we look to do
[10:48] is
[10:49] purchase three temporary units which
[10:51] would be within the budget the units
[10:53] that we kind of spoke about before
[10:54] they're large rubber mat units we are
[10:57] working on it they are through a
[10:58] purchasing operator that we have source
[11:00] while contracting
[11:01] and we have just as recently as last
[11:03] week
[11:04] ac whitman has contacted them about
[11:06] availability in lead time looking at
[11:08] trying to put some measures together
[11:09] where we're going to record the speeds
[11:11] in the area
[11:12] duane avenue for a period of no less
[11:14] than two weeks
[11:15] using some incognito things things that
[11:18] aren't willing to draw attention
[11:19] themselves
[11:20] uh possibly either being we have new
[11:23] speed recording devices being purchased
[11:25] through a grant by pd or i've been
[11:27] working with john deluccio on
[11:29] some of the optical sensors that we have
[11:31] in the city can also do speed detection
[11:34] so we've already pulled some of that
[11:35] data
[11:36] to see how that would work
[11:38] then
[11:39] once we have those in you know maybe we
[11:42] just do
[11:43] dwayne this year because we like to put
[11:44] the installations out for a minimum of
[11:46] you know
[11:47] eight weeks couple of months because it
[11:49] does take some effort to put it in when
[11:51] you take them out you have to do some
[11:52] road repair because they get driven into
[11:54] the ground with essentially spikes so
[11:57] they will you know they will mark up the
[11:58] asphalt because they can't be shifting
[12:00] around as they're there
[12:02] once we have these two locations
[12:05] we kind of come back to you with some
[12:06] data
[12:07] but for a permanent during that time i
[12:09] think we like to internally work both
[12:12] with ourselves over the council on what
[12:14] the long term program is this like are we going to model the
[12:18] city of rochester where they use a
[12:20] petition you know or are we going to
[12:22] have it be you know the council is going
[12:24] to decree where they want to put these i
[12:27] mean we would still under some guidance
[12:29] we would still advise that we don't have
[12:30] them on priority roads in certain areas
[12:32] but when you start using the guideline
[12:35] no parallel roads
[12:37] and no priority streets the streets get
[12:39] really whittled down very quickly to
[12:42] only a select few we did talk about is
[12:44] this a program that we try to use only
[12:46] maybe in school zones
[12:48] or these two are both in school zones so
[12:50] we want to focus on areas that have
[12:52] school zones in them or is that you know
[12:55] the school zone technically they're
[12:56] supposed to be driving 15 during their
[12:58] anyways
[12:59] so
[13:00] the other thing that uh john did do is
[13:02] he reached out to the city of albany did hire uh craig and
[13:07] manning put together a memorandum
[13:10] and the memorandum we talked about speed
[13:12] hump specifically and they did invest
[13:15] almost approximately half a million
[13:16] dollars in installing permanent speed
[13:19] bumps uh on first second and third
[13:21] avenues in the uh harbor hill
[13:23] neighborhood
[13:25] so
[13:26] we have some details on that the uh the
[13:28] memo
[13:29] uh we just got an approval that you know
[13:31] to share it we wanted to share it so
[13:33] next time if i put together a whole
[13:34] package i'll include that memo because i
[13:36] didn't want to share it without you know
[13:37] just being said that we could because i
[13:39] didn't want to put them on the spot but
[13:41] um you know that is the next level
[13:44] you know these speed bumps that all when
[13:45] they put in are milled paved painted
[13:48] permanent signage half a million dollars
[13:51] so they had a issue
[13:54] that they dealt with through an
[13:55] engineering solution i don't think we're
[13:57] there yet but it's not to say that we
[14:00] couldn't be i don't think we have an
[14:01] issue that's
[14:03] at least not to my knowledge or any of
[14:05] uc whipple's that has brought to itself
[14:07] to that level where we're looking to put
[14:09] something out here like that
[14:11] so um that's where we are right now
[14:13] where fire chief just said that we are
[14:15] okay to put him at these locations so we
[14:18] are going to work with the vendor and uh
[14:20] our purchasing department on getting
[14:22] some orders in in the meantime they are
[14:24] looking at getting the detections for
[14:26] the speed cameras and then you know
[14:28] prepping and getting ogs and everything
[14:30] but these are only two locations i mean
[14:32] they could change if you think that you
[14:34] know they were kind of looked at from a
[14:36] just from our perspective
[14:38] we could move them around afterwards but
[14:40] right now that's where we're headed
[14:45] oh will there be signs to let people
[14:47] know oh yes yes that's john
[14:50] we have a sign department so john is
[14:52] going to be making signs we're going to
[14:53] have signs that say
[14:55] bump ahead and then bump so for each
[14:58] pair there would be six signs there'll
[15:00] be 12 12 new signs in general so
[15:03] six one way six the other for the three
[15:06] so one more question um so um how how
[15:09] many would be you said um um like so a
[15:12] length is like from what you said on
[15:14] dwindling from craig craig to brandywine
[15:17] so how many would be on that stretch
[15:20] and we're looking at space and there is
[15:21] a stop sign there yes so we are looking
[15:23] to space them so that you know uh you
[15:25] know the stop sign is acting as its own
[15:27] as a speed determining device um you
[15:29] know there is a school zone there so you
[15:30] should be slowing down
[15:32] but you know we are kind of looking just
[15:34] to use this as a record we're gonna have
[15:35] a couple of protection units to see
[15:37] where we are you know there is always
[15:39] the
[15:40] fear of people you go over it and you
[15:43] speed up
[15:44] so that's why on the longer stretch
[15:45] ongoing we want to have two
[15:48] um because we really don't want people
[15:49] being like well i have to make up time
[15:51] which is always a concern with these
[15:52] type of devices and also you know we
[15:54] would pull them out prior to that
[15:57] we won't have them down for the power
[15:58] season but if we go permanent like
[16:00] albany and town and colony you know they
[16:02] use indicator posts on either side so
[16:04] the plows know to lift their blades and
[16:06] go over thanks
[16:09] yes i just have a couple of questions
[16:10] thanks chris um
[16:12] if someone doesn't lower their speed
[16:15] and goes over the bump and
[16:18] causes damage to their vehicle is there
[16:20] a chance that that would have any
[16:21] liability for the city that was brought
[16:23] up to me in i'm not 100 on that
[16:26] i'll have to look into it with andrew
[16:28] and he's you know
[16:29] about what liabilities that we have
[16:30] someone that just keeps going keep going
[16:34] doesn't mind the signs doesn't mind the
[16:36] speed limit goes over the speed bump
[16:38] does damage to that yeah i'd have to
[16:39] imagine this is something that is you
[16:41] know played out a hundred times you know
[16:43] we're not going to be the first city to
[16:44] put speed bumps clearly so we'll we'll
[16:47] try to get something in place to find
[16:48] out what it is okay thanks and then in
[16:50] terms of removing them as you mentioned
[16:52] um especially you know these are going
[16:54] to be temporary and trying to pilot and get some data and some results
[16:59] um what would be can you also tell us
[17:01] what the cost will be
[17:03] um if we don't if we decide not to put
[17:06] them back or you know in terms of
[17:07] removing them if you're putting them
[17:08] into the ground if you're having to do
[17:10] repair to the to yeah what i'm hoping is
[17:13] we get a clean install i'm hoping that
[17:14] we can use we have a
[17:17] like a hot in place epoxy truck it's the
[17:19] patcher that you see where the oak in
[17:21] our roads we have a really kind of a
[17:23] slick looking pothole that looks like a
[17:25] different than an what i'm
[17:26] hoping is that working with mike cerrone
[17:28] and our streets department will be able
[17:29] to infill them with with that material
[17:32] almost like a hot glue
[17:34] i don't know how well but they didn't
[17:36] point out i think it was that i just
[17:38] want to usually they hear the concerns
[17:40] when they put them down like you know
[17:41] they hit them in uh these are
[17:43] considerable size units i mean there's
[17:44] going to be a fork truck is going to be
[17:46] involved or a front-end loader you know
[17:48] because we're talking about the entire
[17:49] width of the street they are i believe
[17:51] 14 it's 14 feet in width
[17:54] because where you know we have to go
[17:55] with a 30 mile per hour
[17:56] if it was a parking lot and you said the
[17:58] speed limit was 10. it could be a little
[18:00] smaller but because of the speed they
[18:03] actually are wider more of a more of a
[18:04] speed uh hump than a bump right so uh so
[18:08] we're i mean we're learning kind of as
[18:10] we go too we've i thought we made some
[18:12] good steps we have some good information
[18:14] uh you know before and then you know as
[18:16] we go just to tell you about other
[18:18] products there are other products if we
[18:21] wanted to do like priority roads if
[18:23] somehow that were to come up they make a
[18:25] product where
[18:26] emergency vehicles
[18:28] could straddle the product
[18:30] they're called uh they're more of a
[18:32] they're more of these smaller faults so
[18:34] instead of having one you put like three
[18:37] and then a fire truck would straddle the
[18:39] issue with that that we see is that
[18:41] people may try to straddle it and that
[18:44] will cause more issues than we would
[18:47] think without a uniform you know it's
[18:49] similar if you go to a parking lot that
[18:50] has a speed bump and there's parking
[18:52] spaces on either side you usually just
[18:54] go around it yeah you don't go over it
[18:57] so that's what we're kind of trying to
[18:58] avoid
[19:02] uh thank you thank you chris for doing a
[19:04] lot of research i i actually read up on
[19:05] it because i really think you know this
[19:08] the speeding that happens not only in
[19:10] our city but
[19:11] everywhere and i'm really concerned with
[19:13] safety so i i thought about those rumble
[19:16] strips you know
[19:17] like when you fall asleep and you
[19:19] go to the side of the road and it wakes
[19:21] you up but um in in researching that um
[19:25] it's
[19:26] it it can work for
[19:29] um speeding just bring your attention
[19:32] you know to the fact that oh something's
[19:33] going on but not recommend it for so
[19:35] that kind of threw that out
[19:37] but there were quite a few lawsuits that
[19:39] i read about with
[19:41] speed bumps
[19:43] um municipalities were facing with
[19:46] damage to cars people falling over them
[19:49] just people walking and falling over so so i saw
[19:53] that as well
[19:55] and and it basically came down to the
[19:57] best thing for traffic calming is
[19:59] lowering the speed limit which miss
[20:01] patrick
[20:02] did bring up i mean you know um but
[20:04] anyway yeah so um there's a lot
[20:07] of research you know to do between
[20:10] andrew and
[20:11] you know what what liabilities it might
[20:13] bring on the city so yeah
[20:16] okay yep and i'll i'll loop andrew into
[20:19] our into our discussions as you see and
[20:21] like i said we have a good direction for
[20:22] all of you we'll see how they get out of
[20:24] this button
[20:26] yeah could you share the information on
[20:28] the what you wish
[20:30] so he doesn't have to like do that work
[20:32] over absolutely
[20:35] any other questions or comments
[20:38] so in support would you like to
[20:40] keep this on the internet for after two
[20:41] weeks
[20:43] let us get a little bit and i'll touch
[20:45] base about when we put it on just
[20:49] is there any opposition to the first
[20:51] test location i guess that would be the thought is everybody kind of on
[20:57] board these are not permanent locations
[20:59] so if that's
[21:00] we have that buying i think that's the
[21:02] first step and we have the money and we
[21:04] have it on contract so we can move
[21:05] forward
[21:07] great yes
[21:08] yeah i think instead of asking us you
[21:10] might want to ask the neighborhood
[21:12] because they're going to be the ones
[21:14] hearing the noise and most impact
[21:16] well i mean i guess that's the the next
[21:18] part of it is that do we want to get to
[21:20] that level i mean
[21:21] you know the city of rochester that's
[21:23] where they start they start with more of
[21:25] a neighborhood petition and the petition
[21:28] starts more like uh the sidewalk program
[21:32] but that will undoubtedly add some time
[21:35] so but once again this is more about i
[21:37] don't want to push it back to the
[21:38] council but it is a kind of a council
[21:40] initiative that we're working on if we
[21:42] like to because that was one of the
[21:44] things uh i wasn't in this era but uh mr
[21:47] culture did tell me that at some point
[21:49] there were speed pumps uh dipped dips at
[21:53] eastern avenue and they were removed due
[21:55] to noise complaints
[21:56] those were permanent because they were
[21:58] actually in the asphalt or these are
[21:59] temporary but there will be some
[22:01] substantial labor to put these in
[22:06] um so i know for me personally i
[22:07] definitely agree with trying something
[22:08] it's been an ongoing issue and there's
[22:10] been a lot of work and effort that's
[22:12] already been invested in this
[22:14] alternative so or at least a trial list
[22:17] and like you said it's not permanent so
[22:19] if there are better options we'll have
[22:21] the ability to uh remove the address
[22:24] so if there are no further items to the
[22:26] following i'll see can i get an
[22:29] error so second favorite all right thank
[22:32] you
[22:35] so uh i'd like to call a government
[22:37] operations
[22:39] we've got two items on the agenda
[22:42] um first of all discussion around philly
[22:44] positions within the city workforce
[22:47] discussed by um
[22:50] thank you so we talked about this a
[22:52] couple of weeks ago because we talked
[22:54] about how many openings we have
[22:56] and um whether we should do something a
[22:59] little bit permanent in terms of
[23:01] expanding the residency to the county
[23:02] and not just people who live within the
[23:04] city
[23:07] so there was there's some who were in
[23:08] favor of that and some who weren't with
[23:10] what the discussion was is that the
[23:12] mayor uh if we
[23:14] um
[23:15] submitted someone who lived in the
[23:17] county and did not live within the city
[23:19] then it would be up to um the residency
[23:22] board actually to um that the mayor
[23:24] would have to convene in order to for us
[23:26] to give away or not
[23:28] so at this point
[23:29] time what um
[23:31] i'm recommending is that we um look at
[23:34] putting our making sure that we
[23:36] can be in the residency board and i
[23:38] would have to ask the mayor when's the
[23:39] last time the board um met
[23:41] because i would know i don't know the
[23:43] answer to that because it doesn't meet
[23:44] regularly
[23:46] it's
[23:48] called my discretion the last time it
[23:50] met was to entertain the waiver for
[23:53] commissioner islands
[23:57] so and
[23:59] so we have so the members of the
[24:03] are board by me
[24:08] and corporation council and
[24:10] the council presidents what i understand
[24:11] all three of us have um opportunity to
[24:14] be a part of that
[24:18] i think like i think the code speaks to
[24:20] who's
[24:20] uh
[24:21] who's on the other hand
[24:23] i don't think that's correct
[24:26] well mr colvin gave us the code last
[24:28] time and that's what i found okay that's
[24:29] what it says
[24:31] so um
[24:32] so what i would like to us to at least
[24:34] have the the board
[24:37] ready when people start um submitting i
[24:39] know that at least one council member
[24:41] has told me that he submitted
[24:43] someone sending an application who
[24:44] doesn't live within the county and so
[24:47] when that person comes forward that the
[24:48] board be already the time for us to be
[24:50] able to um to look at that application
[24:56] i don't know where it is at this point
[24:58] i don't think they wouldn't send it
[24:59] directly to you they would go through
[25:00] the normal process to see if they met
[25:02] the criteria if council members have
[25:04] names send it to me i'm the appointing
[25:06] authority some people they'll get hired
[25:09] unless
[25:10] well they want to make sure they qualify
[25:11] for the position first and then
[25:15] okay so um again
[25:19] we could talk about that mirror but i
[25:20] would like first to have the board ready
[25:22] when that opportunity comes
[25:24] um so we can appoint people
[25:34] um but
[25:36] i mean doesn't that just assume that we
[25:38] are indeed going to um
[25:40] convene the residency board instead of
[25:42] what the practice has been in terms of
[25:45] the mayor appointing his own
[25:47] hires
[25:50] i mean why would why would we jump to
[25:52] that step without first
[25:54] thinking again about whether the council
[25:56] was in favor of changing residency
[25:58] requirements it's not changing anything
[26:00] the residency board is already written
[26:02] into the code it exists
[26:03] so what the mayor said is that if there
[26:05] are people within the county
[26:07] who did not live in the city and want to
[26:08] apply then he would have to then then we
[26:11] would have to look at giving them a
[26:12] waiver and that waiver is
[26:15] the mayor convenes a residency board but
[26:17] the residency board is one that actually
[26:19] um votes on that
[26:21] so we haven't changed anything
[26:24] okay that hasn't been the practice right
[26:26] i think that the mayor has been able to
[26:28] use his discretion
[26:29] on whether he wanted to waive a
[26:31] requirement
[26:32] no you can hire anybody wherever they
[26:35] live for six months then we have to go
[26:38] to
[26:40] the presidency review board i have not
[26:44] done it for part-time positions or
[26:47] temporary
[26:50] positions have been some that might have
[26:52] gone over the six months
[26:54] but they're more
[26:56] technical issues than you know a
[26:58] permanent competitive position within
[27:00] civil service
[27:03] so
[27:03] i'm scientifically
[27:08] i don't know what our current job
[27:10] announcements state but we'll be able to
[27:11] update it to say that
[27:13] pending for the review or there's this
[27:15] residency board that is willing to make
[27:17] a determination
[27:21] i'm sorry i can say that one more time
[27:23] so if there's if there's a cohort that's
[27:26] going to review residency requirements
[27:28] so is that outlined on job applications
[27:30] or job announcements that this is an
[27:33] option if you go outside of the city
[27:35] just people aren't aware of it
[27:37] it's i think the
[27:39] general emphasis has been
[27:42] that you can be appointed but within six
[27:45] months you have to move to the city and
[27:48] i have not
[27:49] advocated for the residency review board
[27:52] because i believe people should live in
[27:53] the city
[27:55] their employees
[27:57] and i i
[28:00] that but i'm you know i'm looking at the
[28:02] big picture in the real the reality is
[28:04] we just really understaff and many many
[28:06] departments are
[28:07] um
[28:09] so as and i know it's been said that
[28:11] it's happening all over the country
[28:12] however it's happening here so it's up
[28:14] to us to figure out a resolution for
[28:16] that so um for that reason i think that
[28:18] we should really consider
[28:19] expanding the residency to the county um
[28:22] if we're not there at this point in time
[28:24] and i definitely um which i would
[28:26] definitely want to revisit make sure
[28:27] that we make a final decision on that
[28:30] but that we should um at least make sure
[28:32] the residency board is prepared if
[28:34] someone meets all of the qualification
[28:36] gets hurt referred to the mayor and um
[28:39] need that waiver because
[28:41] some if they're not willing to move
[28:42] within the city for in six months um
[28:45] then people aren't going to want to take
[28:47] a job that at any given time they could
[28:49] lose so that to me is the reason that we
[28:51] want to make sure that we give them that
[28:53] waiver
[29:08] is
[29:12] so we have with us
[29:14] okay yes
[29:16] we have with us david hogan camp uh
[29:19] mitchell
[29:20] and richard tierney all
[29:22] to our two county legislators and
[29:26] the land bank is going to actually uh
[29:28] before he um asked about the appointment
[29:31] just wants to give us a little bit um
[29:32] background on what the land bank's been
[29:34] doing for the last 10 years
[29:38] so thank you are you gonna talk i'll
[29:40] talk a little bit if it's okay with you
[29:42] it's fine with me so good to you very
[29:44] good madam president mr mayor council
[29:46] members i thank you very much mr
[29:49] chairman i thank you for having us here
[29:51] tonight we do have two um
[29:53] items one is a request for a
[29:56] reappointment of one of our board
[29:58] members but we thought because it's july
[30:01] in july of
[30:03] 2012 we incepted the land bank
[30:06] some former members that were here
[30:10] within this government body
[30:12] and we've had a pretty successful
[30:15] 10-year run and i thought it would be
[30:18] helpful educational and
[30:20] insightful to show you what we've been
[30:22] doing over the last 10 years with
[30:24] dollars that we have recovered or that
[30:27] were awarded from the 2008 foreclosure
[30:31] crisis in which our attorney generals uh
[30:34] took the action to go after financial
[30:36] institutions and recover some of the
[30:38] damage that was done to our communities
[30:40] so um
[30:42] just to start off right our mission
[30:44] statement it's all about strengthening
[30:46] neighborhoods through removing light
[30:49] and removing structures that are as mr
[30:52] merrill would say the worst of the worst
[30:54] right so improvement of those existing
[30:55] structures and returning vacant and
[30:57] abandoned property to productive use
[31:00] and we've done quite a bit of that over
[31:02] the last 10 years
[31:05] we've got a
[31:07] 10 minute excuse me two four six seven
[31:09] member
[31:10] board
[31:11] you can see how we're appointed and what
[31:14] the board is made up of you'll note that
[31:16] there's the city of amsterdam presidents
[31:18] there because back in 2012 2013
[31:22] it was thought when we were one of only
[31:25] three land banks which there are over 20
[31:28] now
[31:29] the strength of our application line in
[31:31] the fact that the city of schenectady
[31:33] the county of schenectady and the city
[31:35] of amsterdam all cities that uh are all
[31:38] communities that i think suffer
[31:40] greatly through the foreclosure crisis
[31:43] um and we were awarded that council
[31:45] that's why you see some city uh of
[31:47] amsterdam folks that
[31:49] um
[31:50] i've said this a number of times to
[31:51] leadership to council members uh to
[31:54] individuals or just a tool in the
[31:56] toolbox right i serve uh at the pleasure
[31:59] of each one of you
[32:01] and that the community at large
[32:04] as a chairman we have taken this tool we
[32:07] keep it sharp we keep it sharp with
[32:09] dollars that we've gotten from the
[32:10] attorney generals with dollars that
[32:12] we've gotten from the city and county
[32:15] and from the city of amsterdam
[32:17] and we really put this thing
[32:19] into high gear when we
[32:21] put it into frankly into our unified
[32:23] economic development team which is our
[32:25] metroplex david hogan camp i know he's
[32:28] sitting in front of us but without his
[32:30] leadership without his commitment
[32:31] without his ability to really manage uh
[32:34] i think we would be
[32:36] doing a good job we're doing an
[32:38] outstanding job so we've put over um a
[32:43] number of projects uh have come to play
[32:46] uh hamilton hill neighborhood uh in
[32:48] particular the electric city barn
[32:50] depaul's joe allen apartments coco house
[32:53] expansion demolition
[32:56] of a number of properties to make way
[32:58] for community builders right
[33:02] eastern avenue one of the first
[33:03] corridors that we worked on right we
[33:05] have a corridor strategy it's not
[33:07] individual houses it's how do we improve
[33:09] corridors throughout our community to
[33:12] create uh momentum so
[33:15] in the eastern
[33:16] neighborhood we've done well over 25
[33:19] demolitions we created our first pocket
[33:21] park in almost 25 years back in 2013 uh
[33:24] 2014 tribute park uh we improved
[33:27] numerous buildings and what was saint
[33:30] mary's 25 million dollars in investment
[33:32] renaissance square was a 25 million
[33:34] dollar investment by
[33:36] homeless home leasing on a rochester
[33:39] university so talk about leverage right
[33:42] uh we probably put a million in change
[33:46] into that project a little less and 25
[33:48] million was pulled through from
[33:50] um independent developers that's about
[33:54] investment confidence so
[33:56] we continue in mount pleasant mount
[33:58] pleasant library crane street
[34:00] thriving neighborhoods challenge orchard
[34:02] park
[34:03] wallingford splash pad a great ribbon
[34:05] cutting on friday night lots of
[34:07] attendance thank you madam president mr
[34:10] mayor for being there um boys and girls
[34:13] club uh
[34:14] and then depaul has committed and they
[34:16] put an application in for another 22
[34:19] million project on green street
[34:22] so this is as a direct result of what
[34:24] the land bank has done whether that's to
[34:26] remove properties to do the demolition
[34:28] to create the momentum and the
[34:30] investment confidence i've already
[34:31] talked about because we take out that
[34:34] portion of the project that makes it
[34:36] work for these developers right and
[34:38] they're very sophisticated in what
[34:40] they're doing
[34:41] but we have created that momentum that
[34:44] engine and we want to continue to create
[34:46] that momentum in that engine
[34:49] some of what we've done in the city of
[34:50] amsterdam just so you know 22 vacant
[34:53] bladed properties were completely taken
[34:55] down if you've come through route 5
[34:56] corridor driven into amsterdam that
[34:59] portion of the neighborhood that was in
[35:01] decay was in decline
[35:03] uh we took down all of the buildings
[35:06] depaul came in uh and with the help of
[35:08] amsterdam housing authority by putting
[35:10] in
[35:11] 24 million
[35:13] 20 20 plus million dollar project that's
[35:16] enormous we believe strongly that in the
[35:19] city of amsterdam alone because of the
[35:21] momentum that we put in play
[35:23] they got the dri they got the downtown
[35:26] uh investment grant and they got
[35:29] developers that have come in and said
[35:31] this is a community that's worth
[35:32] investing in
[35:33] so what have we done we've taken
[35:36] we've received and taken anything we've
[35:38] received almost 10 million dollars uh in
[35:41] support of funding through the attorney
[35:43] general uh through enterprise and
[35:45] through a number of other grant programs
[35:47] we've partnered with you in the city and
[35:50] in the city of amsterdam and over 200
[35:51] demolitions i think we probably still
[35:53] have a few hundred that would be
[35:55] considered worthy of of a shovel
[35:58] uh but more importantly we've put over
[36:00] 250 units of either planned or renovated
[36:03] housing in play right affordable housing
[36:06] commitments to our community how do we
[36:08] revitalize we make it real for the
[36:11] individuals who live in these
[36:12] communities that's a hundred million
[36:14] dollars of leveraged investment
[36:16] 10x in my book is a wise investment 10
[36:19] million equals 100 million in leveraged
[36:21] investment so we've got great partners
[36:24] with a better community neighborhoods
[36:26] with habitat we've done a number of
[36:27] projects with them
[36:29] and
[36:30] we've gotten those results because we've
[36:32] got a great board we've got some of our
[36:33] members here we've got rich maternity a
[36:35] fellow county legislator in the city of
[36:37] schenectady we've got joe berlant who uh
[36:39] came out of housing and urban
[36:41] development and has been with us for a
[36:43] number of years uh and i regard him very
[36:45] hard with high regard as our treasurer
[36:48] and the fiduciary of all this money uh
[36:51] that we've received and we put in play
[36:53] and again i just want to reiterate we
[36:55] are a tool
[36:57] we are we are efficient we run on a
[37:00] staff of 1.5
[37:02] unlike some agencies that need multiples
[37:04] and i'm not casting this down i'm simply
[37:06] saying that david here in the city of
[37:08] connecting in the county we have a
[37:10] project manager in the city of amsterdam
[37:12] we've executed
[37:14] extremely well and i appreciate my board
[37:16] members and the commitment that we have
[37:19] from the community from leadership
[37:22] and from a human president
[37:25] so more to come lots of great projects
[37:28] happy to answer any questions we do want
[37:30] to celebrate our 10-year anniversary we
[37:32] think we've earned the strength
[37:35] of saying job well done but it really
[37:38] has to come out of the community
[37:40] and
[37:41] you know like i said i'm happy to answer
[37:43] questions i am here formally to ask for
[37:45] a reappointment
[37:47] of one of our
[38:02] i just want to say that over the years
[38:05] working with mr hogan camp and working
[38:07] with legislator russo has been a
[38:10] pleasure on any project that we've been
[38:12] involved in and i mean obviously
[38:14] you are just a tremendous resource and
[38:17] have great both of you have great vision
[38:19] but i mean the work that you put in to
[38:20] these projects over the years has just
[38:22] been phenomenal it's fun work kristen
[38:24] diaz is on our board as well uh it's a
[38:26] lot of division maurice brown has been
[38:28] very helpful and thank you mayor andrew
[38:30] smallwood
[38:38] thank you very much i do want to
[38:39] reiterate kristin on our board maurice
[38:42] we went to a new york state housing
[38:44] land bank conference not too long ago
[38:47] we have committed people in this room in
[38:50] this community and i'm grateful to be
[38:52] part of that kind of momentum and that
[38:54] kind of leadership
[38:55] you should also have
[38:57] the fact that the leadership of this
[38:59] group has brought in the news
[39:01] it's our hundred million dollars and
[39:03] it's also brought us continue
[39:06] every time we applaud you get money
[39:08] because we produce results yeah joe
[39:12] brings up a great point it's all about
[39:13] the performance about skill
[39:16] do you want to come up so that the
[39:17] council who has not met you can meet you
[39:20] sure
[39:21] so as joe comes up i will say it is that
[39:23] right it's not quite hunger games but it
[39:26] is
[39:26] absolutely if we are not effective we're
[39:28] not going to win in those grant rounds
[39:30] and i will tell you that i went and
[39:33] stumped a little bit with senator richie
[39:35] 50 million dollars is being pulled
[39:37] through to the land mix that doesn't
[39:40] excuse that i have an arpa application
[39:41] and for land management so it's but 50
[39:44] million is getting pulled through
[39:45] that'll be applied to those 23 land
[39:47] banks offices being one of them and
[39:49] another 250 million
[39:51] or 400
[39:52] oh just a housing community renewal
[39:55] programs they want the land banks to
[39:57] continue
[39:58] to be supported so that they can come up
[40:01] with other projects like the default
[40:02] project
[40:05] so that's that's the focused uh
[40:07] in partnership
[40:13] and as joe pointed out past performance
[40:15] definitely drives whether or not you're
[40:17] going to continue to get some of that
[40:19] support
[40:21] for those who don't know man the retired
[40:23] deputy director of development for the
[40:26] city uh was here in the 1990s
[40:29] well aware of that and then
[40:32] we had a household division at that
[40:34] point we were doing housing activities
[40:36] we didn't do as much as what the land
[40:38] bank has been able to do
[40:40] because it's an effective use of funding
[40:43] without having to go through some of the
[40:45] red tape that a government agency has to
[40:47] do
[40:49] and
[40:50] it's been a great time to work with all
[40:53] the folks that are there we've got a
[40:54] committed group we've only had a couple
[40:56] of changes on the board and that's also helped i think uh quite a
[41:00] bit that the people have experienced now
[41:02] what they're
[41:04] doing so and i'm going to point to you
[41:07] at the city council so i hope that
[41:10] you will reappoint me but if not
[41:12] we have somebody
[41:14] in mind who also will be able to
[41:15] contribute to the little bank
[41:18] it's an active board it's not a it's not
[41:20] a show up once in a while it's
[41:22] definitely an active board but we run
[41:23] very efficiently and we appreciate joe's
[41:26] participation we appreciate thanks for
[41:28] the attorney's participation
[41:30] kristen diat
[41:31] and we're open to continuing to see that
[41:34] board live
[41:38] what i'd like to first say is thank you
[41:40] for the work that you're doing okay and
[41:41] i think that is important you know we do
[41:44] base future decisions we make informed
[41:46] decisions based on results but you guys
[41:47] are clearly getting so you know this
[41:50] isn't just about beautification this
[41:51] really does change the material
[41:53] condition of people that live in these
[41:54] neighborhoods options so um i just want
[41:56] to extend my appreciation to you and the
[41:58] team
[41:59] thank you i appreciate that constant
[42:01] problem
[42:09] at this time i like to make the motion
[42:13] second
[42:22] [Applause]
[42:25] [Music]
[42:28] back and go on any of these projects um
[42:31] at your request or individually thank
[42:34] you for coming thank you
[42:46] like to call to order city development
[42:48] planning we have nine items on the
[42:50] agenda
[42:51] the first item is a revocable licensing
[42:53] agreement with indira prasad for a patio
[42:56] and handicap accessible rent at 1570
[42:59] state street mr wallen
[43:03] hello hello
[43:04] uh the property of 1570 state street
[43:07] constructed a patio with handicap
[43:09] accessible ramps the patio is what i
[43:12] would call a seminar semi-permanent
[43:14] patio
[43:15] is a
[43:17] wall
[43:18] filled it is not something that would be
[43:21] revocable similar to a planter or a sign
[43:24] a pond inspection was found that the
[43:26] wall and the ramp are in the city right
[43:29] away on this corner by about five feet
[43:31] in each
[43:32] uh so it is not
[43:34] exactly off the sidewalk but it is
[43:36] within there is about seven feet and ten
[43:39] feet off the grid respectively for a
[43:42] obstruction like this in the right of
[43:44] way uh a revocable licensing agreement
[43:47] is required for the properties
[43:50] all right so
[43:52] this was put in without coming to the
[43:54] city for permit
[43:56] that is what i believe is they don't
[43:58] there's no such thing as for this i
[44:00] think what we think is through a
[44:03] building permit for a patio and
[44:05] it was
[44:06] a bit of a miscommunication of where the
[44:09] right way was usually it's on the back
[44:11] side of the sidewalk in these particular
[44:14] cases it was a little extra wide so it
[44:17] was actually five feet off the back side
[44:19] of the sidewalk and on state street we
[44:21] have an exceptionally larger right away
[44:23] so when they came in i don't know how it
[44:25] was actually brought to my attention but
[44:27] when it was and we looked at them we
[44:29] found that it was five feet in both
[44:31] directions
[44:33] for a patio wasn't necessarily something
[44:35] that went into planning and planning
[44:37] usually if a newer building is being
[44:38] built and there's a site plan we would
[44:40] make the comments of what would be
[44:42] required this was an existing building
[44:44] with a patio being built like almost
[44:47] like a deck
[44:48] so i don't think it went through the
[44:49] same procedures as most so it's
[44:51] something that we are internally going
[44:53] to have to discuss on how we kind of
[44:55] close that little loophole if you will
[44:57] but
[44:58] it is there
[45:00] so
[45:01] and does the side work
[45:06] i know the application came from
[45:08] indira prasad i believe there may be two
[45:10] people who own that property i believe
[45:12] it's indirect
[45:13] i think there's another prasad that may
[45:15] be the owner of that property so if the
[45:17] council is to move forward with this
[45:18] legislative request i would request that
[45:20] it be the owner of the property indira
[45:23] prasad and if there's another owner
[45:25] right i want to make sure that both of
[45:26] them enter into this agreement that it's
[45:28] not just
[45:29] you know one of the two owners okay
[45:34] so we need the other owner's name you
[45:37] know do you do you know that i do not
[45:39] have it on me but i don't have money but
[45:40] we can we can get the most recent deed
[45:43] and we'll have it in time for uh i'll
[45:44] put it in for the resolution if it does
[45:46] pass tonight okay it's not obstructing
[45:48] the sidewalk okay uh we are working with
[45:50] them on making sure that the sidewalk is
[45:52] off the coast
[45:53] on the uh
[45:54] on the one particular side not the state
[45:56] street side i came up with the cross
[45:58] street at this time but on state street
[46:00] it is off but we have a particularly
[46:02] wide right-of-way going upstairs
[46:07] are there other questions
[46:11] i'll second it with the idea that we'll
[46:13] put the name amazing yes
[46:16] all those in favor all right
[46:18] thank you mr wong
[46:20] uh the next item on the agenda is a
[46:22] discussion of uh hosting quarterly
[46:24] meeting city council meetings outside of
[46:26] city hall uh thank you madam president
[46:29] um i know you've had this on the agenda
[46:31] a few times so i'm looking forward to
[46:33] announcing some updates that'll
[46:34] hopefully uh get this ball
[46:36] moving forward
[46:38] looking at the idea of where to host
[46:40] this type of engagement my two thoughts
[46:44] consistently came back to the boys and
[46:45] girls club and also potentially
[46:47] partnering with the scranton high school
[46:49] just thinking of menu size and volume of
[46:52] getting people
[46:54] from the community into a room and talk
[46:56] about a potential topic
[46:57] uh second can be more about a date i
[47:00] think being in the summer it's important
[47:02] to recognize that people are still
[47:03] vacationing so looking to have something
[47:05] in place after august
[47:07] the time frame that i kept coming back
[47:08] to was 6 30 to 8 30 at night just
[47:10] thinking of corporate time people get
[47:12] settled in
[47:14] and then also understanding that mondays
[47:16] don't necessarily work for us as a
[47:17] council members and also fridays maybe
[47:19] too late in the week
[47:21] we'll need to do some investigation to
[47:23] make sure that we're not scheduling
[47:25] something that is
[47:29] in place with other meetings that are functioning throughout the city
[47:32] so i resonated on tuesdays so i was
[47:35] potentially thinking of september 20th
[47:37] september 27th or october 4th and then
[47:40] all this information i can go back to
[47:42] the council members and email
[47:44] next
[47:45] thinking of the format and i think it's
[47:48] important to footstomp that compromising
[47:50] is important
[47:52] and taking into consideration all of the
[47:54] council members feedback so that we can
[47:55] make sure we're actually items for the
[47:57] benefit of the community i think looking
[48:00] at how to best
[48:02] create an agenda around this i think a
[48:03] town hall would make sense
[48:05] and i think as long as we can build an
[48:08] appropriate agenda establish creative
[48:10] guidelines for people to speak that way
[48:12] we would have the opportunity to respond
[48:13] back i think as long as we're
[48:16] intentional and have a clear objective
[48:18] around what the meeting is i think we
[48:20] can keep our comments focused and use
[48:22] this as an opportunity to again
[48:24] bring the messaging bring ourselves the
[48:26] community which countlessly has been
[48:29] vocalized as an ask in the community
[48:33] and this brings me to what potential
[48:35] topics so our last meeting
[48:37] ended with miss
[48:40] ms portfield
[48:42] and
[48:44] ms patrick recommending community
[48:45] banking and noise ordinances which i
[48:47] don't know if anyone else experienced
[48:49] that last night i did myself
[48:52] however there's been continuous
[48:54] conversation throughout our community
[48:56] about
[48:58] rent
[48:59] and how some people aren't able to
[49:02] make rent and also listening from the
[49:05] other angle which is from our landlords
[49:07] which are
[49:08] vocalizing just continued discomfort so
[49:11] i want to make it clear that
[49:13] choosing a potential topic would not
[49:15] mean that we are taking anyone's side
[49:17] just using this as an opportunity to get
[49:19] more information and provide people the
[49:21] opportunity to vocalize their issues or
[49:24] stances which is why i would recommend
[49:26] our first topic being rent stabilization
[49:28] which is a nice subway it's what mr
[49:30] farley is going to be discussing
[49:32] so i'm all ears
[49:35] week after week i've been coming back
[49:36] with some updates so i'm willing to make
[49:39] any adjustments and adapt around what
[49:41] the council members would request think
[49:43] at this time
[49:44] i think it is just choosing a topic
[49:46] collectively and then i can
[49:49] fine-tune some details and selecting a
[49:51] future date to announce the community
[49:55] well first of all thank you for doing
[49:57] the work and for coming back to the
[49:58] council and considering all the things
[49:59] that have been put forward so i do
[50:01] appreciate that it sounds like we've
[50:03] landed on it's going to be more of a
[50:04] town hall as opposed to a city council
[50:06] meeting based on
[50:07] what you've said so um
[50:09] i'm certainly open to that plus moving
[50:11] in that direction and
[50:13] i'll have a particular day
[50:15] just glad it's after the summer
[50:18] so
[50:18] um
[50:20] and he must have me mr
[50:23] so i just think anytime we get
[50:25] opportunity to integrate with the
[50:26] community
[50:28] and you know i think sometimes change of
[50:30] settings
[50:31] um can kind of lend itself to a more
[50:33] robust conversation um and so so i'm all
[50:37] for um
[50:46] are you asking like all the council be
[50:49] there i mean how do you how are you
[50:54] taking into consideration what a true
[50:56] council meeting outside of city hall
[50:57] would look like i think a lot of the
[51:00] uh discomfort is we don't want to bore
[51:02] people around what we do we're trying to
[51:04] make it exciting and integrity for the
[51:06] community and
[51:10] but being
[51:11] aware of just the nuances of what we do
[51:14] it might not appeal to everyone so i
[51:16] think creating the format uh to make it
[51:18] more of a meaningful conversation but i
[51:20] think it is a very strong message that
[51:23] needs to get sent to the community that
[51:24] we all collectively need to be out there
[51:27] present um
[51:28] and and and
[51:30] available and i know that things happen
[51:32] i know that emergencies arise but i
[51:34] think if we have the time to coordinate
[51:36] a date i would hope that all the council
[51:38] members can find there
[51:40] find the final the opportunity to put in
[51:42] their schedule and make a conscientious
[51:44] effort to impress them
[52:03] you know causing further complications
[52:05] of demeaning laws
[52:07] it depends
[52:08] i mean i i wish i could give you a
[52:10] better answer than it depends it depends
[52:11] what actions you're going to be taking
[52:13] you know if you're resolving to take
[52:15] some type of official action that's you
[52:17] know obviously
[52:18] you know open meeting if you're there
[52:19] for town hall to allow people to just
[52:21] kind of give you know a piece of their mind maybe or
[52:25] just you know their input and you're not
[52:27] dealing with open meeting law
[52:29] stuff so to speak right you're not
[52:31] subject to open meetings law
[52:34] right
[52:36] so i thought well based on like a town
[52:38] hall just thinking we're there to get
[52:40] information from people and get their
[52:41] input
[52:42] we heard a man come to the rail the
[52:45] other day and you know
[52:47] unsolicited he was his situation so he
[52:49] came so i think that's one of the
[52:51] reasons this
[52:52] came about that particular topic
[52:54] regarding rent so i really just would ask the other
[52:58] council members where they are with this
[52:59] in terms of participation or dates
[53:04] you know it's going to take all of us to
[53:05] do something
[53:07] all right
[53:08] mr toro thank you car mr williams um i
[53:12] like the the town hall um mr farley just
[53:15] brought that up so we probably wouldn't
[53:16] be able to interact or give advice
[53:19] so i
[53:20] well that leaves me a little bit
[53:22] confused right now as well you can give
[53:25] advice you can't give formal you can't
[53:27] do a formal action exactly okay all
[53:29] right so we can answer okay so i was
[53:32] just thinking
[53:33] again like i say we can all be there i
[53:35] like the idea of listening to
[53:37] the constituents and what their concerns
[53:40] are in individual neighborhoods
[53:42] and um
[53:43] again with dates
[53:45] you know i i don't know you know we all
[53:47] get invited to the neighborhood meetings
[53:49] um i don't know who posters on a tuesday
[53:52] so i'd have to check because we do like
[53:54] to go to all the neighborhood meetings
[53:56] again i don't know if we if we might
[53:57] just want to travel there we're in each
[53:59] neighborhood
[54:00] and again not asking everyone to come to
[54:03] us but we're going to them
[54:05] but again thank you i think it's very
[54:07] important to hear what they want
[54:09] that's my my job
[54:14] so
[54:15] yeah other
[54:17] let's test it um i think that
[54:19] again with the date i think maybe doing
[54:21] the doodle or something to see
[54:27] i think we can just send that email it's
[54:28] only seven we're doing all right we just
[54:30] send the email out sure
[54:34] and
[54:35] i think in terms of format
[54:39] again even if we had if we knew the
[54:41] topic was going to be housing for
[54:43] example um we'd probably want some
[54:44] landlords and we probably want you know
[54:46] i mean
[54:47] it might be important to have
[54:51] somebody speak even you know for or one
[54:53] or two people speak and then people
[54:56] responding but i'm just saying
[54:58] um might not be else but um i think the
[55:01] idea of listening and hearing
[55:02] constituent concerns is is great i think
[55:05] that is why we go to the neighborhood
[55:06] meetings
[55:07] as well generally town home format doesn't
[55:13] have a speaker necessarily it's just for
[55:15] everyone there whether it be landlords
[55:16] or lieutenants or everybody just to
[55:18] like this we introduce the topic and
[55:20] then people give their input right i
[55:22] guess opposed to having somebody
[55:23] introduce the topic
[55:25] or somebody that's an expert or whatever
[55:26] i think is
[55:28] a good a good thing
[55:30] like like the meeting that we had with
[55:32] the office of cannabis management where
[55:34] you know we were able to hear some of
[55:36] some
[55:38] information
[55:39] i don't know but well it depends on just
[55:41] two cents on format just two cents on my
[55:44] two cents yeah because it depends on the
[55:45] topic
[55:46] necessarily
[55:47] on one
[55:49] right so you said to check the dates for
[55:51] um
[55:52] the neighborhood association to make
[55:53] sure that
[55:54] they start up in the fall again
[55:56] to make sure that we're not hidden up
[55:58] against theirs okay yeah
[56:00] that's a good idea i know a reunion is a
[56:02] tuesday but i'm not sure which one i
[56:04] think it
[56:05] must be the second
[56:08] other input
[56:09] questions comments
[56:12] um
[56:13] willingness to participate or not
[56:16] does everybody need to date i mean yeah
[56:18] i mean i'd show up if
[56:20] the date was
[56:22] we'll give you our input on our dates
[56:24] you know i think the idea of doing it in
[56:26] the fall
[56:27] summer is
[56:30] so if you could um
[56:32] are we gonna
[56:33] i guess we're gonna need to settle on a
[56:34] topic and are you gonna send out the
[56:36] dates that
[56:37] okay
[56:40] so or did you want to start setting on
[56:42] top of the topic tonight or do you want
[56:43] to um just
[56:45] send that out in the request when you
[56:47] send out the email
[56:49] uh so i don't know how appropriate would
[56:50] be to
[56:52] comment after we close while i'm
[56:54] speaking or mr probably speaking but i
[56:56] think hearing out his
[56:59] next agenda on the actual topic of
[57:01] wednesday education will probably assist
[57:03] to get people's heads wrapped around it
[57:04] but i think overall just using this as a
[57:06] platform to hear from the community i would like to
[57:10] select the top of the right
[57:11] stabilization and take into
[57:13] consideration what uh
[57:15] ms patrick was mentioning around trying
[57:16] to capture uh something that has already
[57:19] been discussed i think in our current
[57:21] just
[57:22] traveling throughout the city it's an
[57:24] issue that's growing regardless whether
[57:27] on any one side or the other so i think
[57:29] as a council is our opportunity to be at
[57:31] the forefront of these types of
[57:32] conversations and
[57:34] the only way we're able to make
[57:35] appropriate judgments is having an
[57:37] injectable understanding of what's going
[57:45] do any further discussion on this topic
[57:50] again i think
[57:51] i like what you had to say mr williams
[57:53] about trying to make sure that we
[57:54] weren't coming out in
[57:56] favor or not in favor of something so i
[57:58] think
[58:00] even perception wise i think if we if
[58:02] the topic was
[58:04] housing issues or something like that
[58:06] but to say and i want to hear what mr
[58:08] brawley is going to going to talk to us
[58:10] about on the next item but i mean to say
[58:13] rent stabilization might
[58:15] um
[58:16] make it seem like we're skewing in one
[58:18] direction
[58:19] over another
[58:21] but i don't know what the kind of better
[58:23] word it but
[58:25] it's williams and absolutely messaging
[58:27] matters these are just to capture what i
[58:28] was going to be talking about when we
[58:30] actually rolled out the community and
[58:31] definitely take into consideration those
[58:33] types of elements is important and
[58:35] that's why i think it's imperative of us
[58:37] all to be together because although
[58:39] we're one body that represents the city
[58:41] at large we're being honest and
[58:43] intentional we all have
[58:45] nations that we kind of cater to
[58:47] naturally we all don't travel together
[58:50] in
[58:50] one group um so i think
[58:53] taking in all of our feedback and input
[58:55] i think we'll be able to naturally hit
[58:57] all of those corners of the community so
[58:59] that we are taking into consideration
[59:01] everything and not seeming to
[59:06] any other discussion
[59:09] okay so we'll wait for the email from
[59:10] you on the date so we can get some
[59:12] feedback on that and come up with a date
[59:13] and move forward with it so thanks for
[59:15] the work you've done on this um our next
[59:18] item for discussion number three is rent
[59:21] stabilization mr farley thank you madam
[59:24] president so
[59:25] um
[59:27] one of the
[59:30] benefits of living in the community
[59:32] that have you know getting such a great
[59:34] financial audit you know once you get
[59:36] close to the team here to the mayor and
[59:39] your team for
[59:41] diligent work
[59:42] is
[59:43] tax stabilization
[59:48] can and should
[59:49] correlate to housing on
[59:52] price stabilization so i guess i just
[59:54] wanted to open up the conversation
[59:57] with the council because of all the
[59:58] feedback that we've been getting um
[1:00:01] and i've been you know
[1:00:03] listening to people
[1:00:04] uh and i really want to see like how do
[1:00:07] we
[1:00:07] is there a way for us to create um
[1:00:11] to incentivize you know um
[1:00:15] some housing stabilization so that's
[1:00:17] really where i wanted to go with this
[1:00:18] conversation
[1:00:19] um people in the community are really
[1:00:22] hurting um you know
[1:00:26] we're doing some of the research you
[1:00:27] know i realize it says that uh a hundred
[1:00:31] dollars in an immediate
[1:00:36] equates to a nine percent increase in
[1:00:39] homelessness
[1:00:41] so this is a you know this isn't a
[1:00:42] conversation that we can just have like
[1:00:44] you know in abstract ways that this is a
[1:00:47] real
[1:00:49] way that
[1:00:50] is impacting people in their
[1:00:53] material conditions of people live so i
[1:00:56] think that you know i i look forward to
[1:00:58] just kind of opening up this
[1:01:00] conversation and getting feedback from
[1:01:02] fellow council members um to see
[1:01:05] what your thoughts
[1:01:11] mr toro
[1:01:13] can you tell me a little bit more like
[1:01:15] what are you looking for us to say
[1:01:18] uh
[1:01:19] i'm sorry i just didn't
[1:01:21] i couldn't follow along sure
[1:01:24] tell us what you're thinking
[1:01:25] so what are what so what i'm thinking um
[1:01:28] and what i'm hearing and what we heard
[1:01:30] in our last city council uh meeting is
[1:01:33] that people hurt
[1:01:34] right
[1:01:35] and we um often talk about our tax base
[1:01:39] being pretty stable right so what i'm
[1:01:42] saying is that when you are living in a
[1:01:43] community um that has a stable tax base
[1:01:47] that should correlate to stable housing
[1:01:49] prices for people
[1:01:51] it should
[1:01:52] i don't know that that's necessarily the
[1:01:54] case right now
[1:01:56] so my question is
[1:01:58] what are your thoughts and should we be
[1:02:00] thinking about ways as a counselor that
[1:02:02] we can incentivize
[1:02:04] of
[1:02:06] rent prices
[1:02:07] to to be more stable because what we're
[1:02:09] hearing are now and people are
[1:02:12] losing their houses and their housing
[1:02:14] and
[1:02:15] that's something that we're hearing in
[1:02:17] every corner of the city and i think
[1:02:18] it's something that we need to talk
[1:02:20] about how can we address it
[1:02:23] so just to
[1:02:25] bring you back to when the gentleman
[1:02:26] came to the council meeting um last week yes and um he
[1:02:32] his rent went up 200
[1:02:34] that's pretty significant
[1:02:36] and he made it clear that it was almost
[1:02:39] his entire monthly income so
[1:02:42] now he has a place to live but now he's
[1:02:44] got to figure out how he's going to eat
[1:02:46] and uh so i i think that we'd be remiss
[1:02:49] if we didn't and he's not the only
[1:02:51] person i've heard had emails etc from
[1:02:53] people um that have said the same thing
[1:02:55] my rent's gone up like 200 and i i just
[1:02:58] didn't know that rents went up like that
[1:03:00] so um i think that it's that we should
[1:03:03] be considering that and i know that
[1:03:04] currently currently the city does not
[1:03:06] have any kind of rent control or rent
[1:03:08] segregation we don't they do have that
[1:03:10] in new york city so there's no cap we
[1:03:12] don't can't say this is the most you can
[1:03:14] charge for somebody to rent your
[1:03:15] apartment it's up to a landlord um
[1:03:18] so
[1:03:20] you know what do we do about that do we
[1:03:22] create more homelessness i mean how do
[1:03:24] we address that so i think that's the
[1:03:25] conversation that's before us now
[1:03:28] or do you think it's not something that
[1:03:29] we don't need to address
[1:03:32] mr mayor
[1:03:33] madam chair just want to recap you know
[1:03:36] some of the things that
[1:03:38] we've seen
[1:03:42] for a long time the value of property in
[1:03:44] schenectady was very low
[1:03:46] so we've seen
[1:03:48] the things that we've done collectively
[1:03:50] with economic development investments in
[1:03:52] the neighborhood that have increased the
[1:03:54] values and have also
[1:03:57] tied to the national housing market
[1:04:00] the taxes here
[1:04:03] we cut them five years in a row
[1:04:05] last two years have been
[1:04:08] no increase the last year is no increase
[1:04:11] in
[1:04:12] that restriction is really put on us by
[1:04:16] the arpa money which says you can't use
[1:04:18] it to lower taxes so i think people are
[1:04:21] happy that we're keeping the services up
[1:04:24] doing it
[1:04:25] but you have to remember that the
[1:04:28] tax bill that people pay
[1:04:31] roughly half of it's the school district
[1:04:33] a little over 30 percent is
[1:04:36] the city's tax bill a little under 20
[1:04:40] is the
[1:04:43] county's portion of it
[1:04:47] people tend to focus for
[1:04:50] it's always the city is the point on
[1:04:52] property taxes even though we're
[1:04:54] a smaller component of that
[1:04:57] in terms of housing just what the land
[1:04:59] bank had outlined
[1:05:01] those
[1:05:02] units that have been put up in other
[1:05:04] projects here
[1:05:06] are
[1:05:08] income based
[1:05:09] so that tenants in that basically pay 30
[1:05:12] of their income so if they're making a
[1:05:15] thousand dollars a month they're paying
[1:05:17] 300
[1:05:19] there can be a little bit of variance in
[1:05:21] that depending on the timing and
[1:05:23] the exact nature of the unit they're in
[1:05:27] there's been a lot of
[1:05:29] in that there's a market study for
[1:05:31] what's fair rent
[1:05:34] but a lot of people who've been quoting
[1:05:36] those higher numbers
[1:05:38] for those units and saying people are
[1:05:40] paying
[1:05:41] the fair market rent which is not true
[1:05:44] those projects are designed to create
[1:05:47] safe and decent housing for individuals
[1:05:50] who are not
[1:05:52] income
[1:05:53] don't have the income to
[1:05:55] afford to live there it's how do we do
[1:05:58] more of those projects how do we work
[1:05:59] with the housing authority to get more
[1:06:01] section 8 vouchers
[1:06:03] again that individual who
[1:06:05] would have the chance to talk to you
[1:06:07] since the last meeting you know probably
[1:06:10] qualifies for
[1:06:12] a
[1:06:13] section 8 voucher and
[1:06:16] there's a waiting list for that even
[1:06:17] though sometimes
[1:06:18] you bypass the status on that if there's
[1:06:21] hardship or extreme circumstances that
[1:06:24] come into play and we're seeing more and
[1:06:25] more individuals that
[1:06:28] are in
[1:06:29] that set of circumstances which are
[1:06:31] really beyond their control and are
[1:06:35] adversely affecting them and so how do
[1:06:37] we
[1:06:38] again
[1:06:39] work with them to them being the housing
[1:06:42] authority to match those people up
[1:06:45] to get more vouchers or create some of
[1:06:47] this additional housing that is income
[1:06:49] based that allows them to have
[1:06:52] safe and decent housing
[1:06:57] well so um
[1:07:00] that i mean not everyone has section 8
[1:07:03] and and some of it so i think
[1:07:05] some of this is is not just
[1:07:08] housing developments it's people are
[1:07:10] running from individuals which is i
[1:07:12] think
[1:07:13] this gentleman's situation and i didn't
[1:07:15] ask him about his personal thing and
[1:07:16] then i even if i knew i wouldn't talk
[1:07:17] about it here
[1:07:20] and and then with that even some of the
[1:07:22] private housing
[1:07:24] people
[1:07:26] are
[1:07:27] reluctant
[1:07:29] to accept section 8 i've heard that time
[1:07:30] and time again people look for housing
[1:07:33] and they and i know that you're not
[1:07:34] supposed to be able to turn people away
[1:07:36] based on their spillway
[1:07:38] somebody is doing it i do know that
[1:07:40] um true but it but it happens
[1:07:44] and and if you've ever even looked it
[1:07:46] and i've helped people look for
[1:07:47] apartments if you've ever looked it
[1:07:49] specifically says in there no people say
[1:07:52] no section 8. they will say that no dss
[1:07:55] so i've seen those
[1:07:56] um people advertising and saying
[1:07:59] we will not accept this type of payment
[1:08:01] for your rent
[1:08:02] so i know it's not it's illegal but it
[1:08:04] does happen
[1:08:05] mr problem yeah so and i would just add
[1:08:08] that
[1:08:09] you know to the mayor's point there are
[1:08:11] you know interventions and things
[1:08:13] happening to address um you know
[1:08:17] find people safe and accurate housing
[1:08:19] um i would just say that like the
[1:08:21] section 8 waiting list can be extremely
[1:08:24] lengthy
[1:08:25] um so and you know just because there
[1:08:29] are the programs in their art
[1:08:31] doesn't mean that
[1:08:33] the programs are going to address the
[1:08:35] problem and what i'm saying is that
[1:08:39] is there a way that we can
[1:08:40] kind of work
[1:08:42] and create the setting conditions to
[1:08:44] where people
[1:08:45] don't have to
[1:08:47] seek out
[1:08:48] some of those
[1:08:50] programs and make
[1:08:51] the pressure off some of those programs
[1:08:53] so they can work a little more
[1:08:55] efficiently and you know because that's
[1:08:57] something that is within our real house
[1:08:59] to do
[1:09:02] again 100
[1:09:04] in medium rent increase
[1:09:07] correlates to nine percent uh
[1:09:09] increase in homelessness that's pretty stark numbers and i think that
[1:09:16] we have to look at this with some level
[1:09:18] of urgency
[1:09:19] um
[1:09:20] because it's impacting our community
[1:09:26] mr toro agreed agreed mr farmer
[1:09:29] absolutely things are things are they're
[1:09:31] tough out there mr palmetti speaks every
[1:09:34] council meeting on you know how bad
[1:09:36] things are getting
[1:09:37] with our economy um but on on the other
[1:09:40] side of that you need to look at the
[1:09:42] landlord situation you don't know what
[1:09:44] they're
[1:09:46] facing at this point maybe coming off
[1:09:48] the three years of covet with no rent
[1:09:51] um that they haven't gotten so so
[1:09:53] there's a lot of variable variables here
[1:09:56] that that we need to think about and
[1:09:57] talk about i don't think there should be
[1:10:00] rent caps at all for personal property i
[1:10:02] just
[1:10:03] don't think that's right you say they do
[1:10:05] it in new york i don't i don't know any
[1:10:07] of that but again people have
[1:10:10] everyone has their own
[1:10:12] expenses that they need to take care of
[1:10:15] and we don't know anyone's personal
[1:10:16] finances on that but again this
[1:10:18] gentleman and so many people and i think
[1:10:21] our city does a damn good job of taking
[1:10:23] care of our people
[1:10:25] i really think we do there's always room
[1:10:28] for improvement but i think you know out
[1:10:30] there in the community you see it at
[1:10:31] school we all see it we're doing one
[1:10:33] hell of a job
[1:10:35] we're going to just keep going
[1:10:40] and that's why i think it's really
[1:10:41] important to have a town hall because
[1:10:44] i would have to disagree i've heard from
[1:10:46] both sides and i've
[1:10:48] had conversations with people who are struggling
[1:10:51] however i'm glad you did make the point
[1:10:54] of there are two sides to every
[1:10:56] narrative i've been to uh being
[1:10:58] landlords influencing change meetings
[1:11:00] and i know that there are other
[1:11:01] components of this conversation
[1:11:04] but i think it's it's necessary to
[1:11:06] look at our options
[1:11:08] and i think absent having this
[1:11:09] conversation are we starting or
[1:11:11] recognizing that this is an issue
[1:11:13] part part of the the analysis is
[1:11:16] are raising the rents effectively being
[1:11:18] what landlords or homeowners are
[1:11:20] attending it to
[1:11:23] so i think unless we admit that this is
[1:11:27] uh affecting members of our community
[1:11:30] i don't think we'll be able to actually
[1:11:32] get action on some of the discomfort
[1:11:34] that people are feeling
[1:11:37] mr
[1:11:38] so and i i want us to be mindful that
[1:11:41] two things can be true right people can
[1:11:43] you know there are there's a lot of
[1:11:45] variables
[1:11:46] in this conversation
[1:11:47] but i don't think that they're you know
[1:11:49] i wouldn't rush to say that we should be
[1:11:52] talking about it from like two sides
[1:11:54] right like a landlord and a tenant i
[1:11:56] think that you know
[1:11:58] there are you know we should be looking
[1:12:00] and exploring ways that where we can
[1:12:02] incentivize it for landlords um
[1:12:06] to to uh have some sort of uh rent
[1:12:09] stabilization um for the people that are
[1:12:12] renting their properties i think that we
[1:12:14] you know
[1:12:15] there might be ways for us to look at
[1:12:17] how do we give some you know as a
[1:12:20] property owner so maybe some cost
[1:12:22] insurance right that they know you know
[1:12:25] that their uh taxes going to the mayor's
[1:12:27] point um and there's other entities that
[1:12:29] have to be involved aren't going to
[1:12:32] spike you know here and they know that
[1:12:33] okay well i know that this is what i can
[1:12:36] make this projection a couple years out
[1:12:38] that i'll be staying within these
[1:12:39] parameters and then
[1:12:40] i pass you know somebody that saves
[1:12:42] along to the person that's that's
[1:12:44] renting it so i you know
[1:12:46] again i i don't think that we're gonna
[1:12:48] come over all the answers here i just
[1:12:49] think that i wouldn't want the
[1:12:50] conversation to go in the direction to
[1:12:52] where something like it's you know that the outcome or
[1:12:58] willingly it couldn't be mutually
[1:12:59] beneficial because it can it can be so i
[1:13:02] do that's definitely the direction i'd
[1:13:04] like to see the conversation
[1:13:07] yeah
[1:13:09] i
[1:13:10] try to recall this something the state
[1:13:12] statute which
[1:13:14] i think it's units
[1:13:15] built
[1:13:16] for 1974 having more than six units
[1:13:21] you have to do a study and if the
[1:13:23] vacancy rate is below 5
[1:13:29] then there's some things that trip
[1:13:32] within the locality if it's above five
[1:13:34] percent then you don't have the option
[1:13:36] right and i
[1:13:39] apologize i can't remember all the
[1:13:40] details or mechanics of that but that
[1:13:43] something again that that wouldn't
[1:13:44] happen overnight if
[1:13:47] actually do the study
[1:13:49] i
[1:13:49] don't know
[1:13:51] if that information is compiled
[1:13:54] in the annual census so that it might
[1:13:57] have been done
[1:13:58] fairly recently we would have a
[1:14:01] fairly accurate baseline to work from
[1:14:05] mr colton yeah the mayor is correct um
[1:14:07] it's the emergency tenant protection act
[1:14:09] which
[1:14:10] is passed in 2019
[1:14:12] you have to have a study as the mayor
[1:14:14] indicated to confirm that the applicable
[1:14:15] jurisdiction has less than a 5 vacancy
[1:14:17] rate
[1:14:18] and it does not apply to buildings
[1:14:20] containing less than 6 units rent
[1:14:22] control departments
[1:14:24] non-profit units housing supervised by
[1:14:27] the government which would be you know
[1:14:29] obviously those people with housing
[1:14:30] choice vouchers
[1:14:32] um and substantially rehabilitated
[1:14:34] housing and housing uh within buildings
[1:14:37] completed after 1973. so when you look
[1:14:39] at it it's probably gonna be a very
[1:14:40] small number of units that would
[1:14:44] be a part of it
[1:14:46] seems as though we'll wouldn't apply to
[1:14:48] two family homes single family homes
[1:14:50] which you know looking at the numbers
[1:14:52] across the city i think that's primarily
[1:14:54] what we're seeing right two family homes
[1:14:56] and single-family homes that are being
[1:14:57] rented out
[1:14:58] so stabilization even if the vacancy
[1:15:01] rate is under
[1:15:02] five percent it would not any
[1:15:04] stabilization would not apply to those
[1:15:05] units
[1:15:11] you know if we're looking at you know a
[1:15:13] small amount of
[1:15:16] units you know even if it is a very
[1:15:18] small amount of units you know we look
[1:15:20] at it as to how that translates into
[1:15:22] somebody's actual you know the lobby of
[1:15:25] people living in the city that makes a
[1:15:27] huge difference you know so i responded
[1:15:30] i appreciate that clarification with
[1:15:32] that you know
[1:15:33] definitely
[1:15:34] it's something i still think that we
[1:15:36] need to be
[1:15:45] [Music]
[1:15:50] when you think about a place like new
[1:15:52] york city i mean you know most of their
[1:15:54] housing is
[1:15:55] above six units right so
[1:15:58] the idea that larger you know
[1:16:00] municipalities like that that have rent
[1:16:02] control
[1:16:03] you know
[1:16:05] i understand that now
[1:16:06] i guess that was required of this insane
[1:16:09] code
[1:16:11] so
[1:16:12] right so that was legislation that was
[1:16:14] passed so i mean does that mean that we
[1:16:16] couldn't consider something i mean i
[1:16:18] know understand that we don't have many
[1:16:20] six house units well we have a few more
[1:16:22] now than we did a few years ago units
[1:16:24] that are above um above six but we many people rent from um
[1:16:29] either two family or one family homes
[1:16:31] even up to four actually
[1:16:33] so
[1:16:34] i think it's it's still a conversation
[1:16:36] that we have to need to have and and how
[1:16:38] do we address it
[1:16:40] it's gonna cost homelessness it's gonna
[1:16:42] cause people to not be able to eat
[1:16:45] we can't just say well okay you know and
[1:16:48] i'm not saying that i have a solution
[1:16:50] clearly i don't
[1:16:51] um
[1:16:52] but i think that we do need to talk
[1:16:54] about what a solution could be and we
[1:16:56] should also um hear from people and we
[1:16:59] would need to do our a lot of homework
[1:17:01] initially and also i was thinking about
[1:17:03] who we could have come and speak in
[1:17:04] terms of the housing um i would just you
[1:17:06] know give some suggestions if that's
[1:17:08] what we're going to do
[1:17:09] and um but has that conversation and
[1:17:11] include
[1:17:12] landlords as well as tenants because
[1:17:15] as i always say how you see it depends
[1:17:17] on where you sit and so i know that
[1:17:18] landlords see it one way in tenancy in
[1:17:20] another way but to have someone's rent
[1:17:22] increased by what amounted to it over 30
[1:17:24] percent that's significant if we ever
[1:17:27] raise taxes 30
[1:17:29] people would just go out of their minds
[1:17:31] so you know we have to look this is like
[1:17:33] you really increased it by a significant
[1:17:35] amount of money
[1:17:36] a person's income
[1:17:40] i'll misspell and also but again you
[1:17:42] know a couple meetings back you know we
[1:17:45] had uh land rovers come to rail and
[1:17:47] something that i heard in saying
[1:17:49] multiple times
[1:17:51] was you know some of the rough
[1:17:52] conditions that they're in um and
[1:17:54] speaking with them you know how they're
[1:17:56] struggling themselves to make them you
[1:17:58] know to make ends meet and uh it seemed
[1:18:01] like a lot of that was you know
[1:18:03] based on the tenants that are living in in their
[1:18:06] housing which is
[1:18:08] ridiculous um for someone to have to go
[1:18:10] through some of the things that they
[1:18:11] were going through
[1:18:12] i
[1:18:13] the point
[1:18:15] i want to make sure that we're i'm
[1:18:16] intentional about focusing the
[1:18:18] conversation in the way
[1:18:20] of a solution that can be mutually
[1:18:22] beneficial and i don't just think that
[1:18:24] you know if i heard the landlords can
[1:18:26] continue to say affordable housing right
[1:18:29] and i think affordable this is a
[1:18:30] relative term right um but you know
[1:18:34] if we can
[1:18:36] look at what is out there and to see
[1:18:39] maybe um that's something we could apply
[1:18:41] here that would be mutually beneficial
[1:18:43] even if it's only for a small
[1:18:45] number of units um
[1:18:48] if you know
[1:18:49] every unit
[1:18:51] that is safe affordable
[1:18:53] and someone lives in here that's
[1:18:54] somebody that's not
[1:18:56] homeless somebody that's somebody that's
[1:18:58] not you know
[1:19:01] on you know section eight winnings which
[1:19:04] i don't know
[1:19:05] how many of the council members are
[1:19:06] familiar with the length of those
[1:19:10] you know waiting listings so i just that
[1:19:13] it's something that even if it doesn't
[1:19:15] look like a large amount of numbers of
[1:19:18] units it is a large amount of impact
[1:19:21] it's something that we can find on that
[1:19:23] yeah that's useful
[1:19:25] mrs williams i think one of my final
[1:19:27] points is
[1:19:28] i look at the direction our city is
[1:19:30] moving towards where we've had
[1:19:31] conversations over the past few years
[1:19:33] about community policing and community
[1:19:35] schools that the idea of looking at a
[1:19:37] situation from multiple angles to
[1:19:39] understand what
[1:19:41] an approach can be i think allows us to
[1:19:44] just look at things through a critical
[1:19:46] lens and not pigeonholing ourselves to
[1:19:48] only responding through
[1:19:51] tried and true measures so i think
[1:19:54] having a conversation with this thing
[1:19:55] that we made our mind up and just opens
[1:19:57] up the dialogue
[1:20:04] anyone else
[1:20:08] so um
[1:20:09] so am i understanding that
[1:20:12] between two of these that you want to
[1:20:14] have the town hall and have rent
[1:20:25] all right so
[1:20:26] you can send it out that would be one of
[1:20:28] the topics and then we'll all respond to
[1:20:29] that um i definitely you know i said it
[1:20:32] before i said it again i'll say it again
[1:20:33] i think that's definitely a conversation
[1:20:35] that we need to have in and hear all aspects of the conversation and um
[1:20:41] just do it in a mindful way that people
[1:20:42] know that we're listening both landlords
[1:20:44] and tenants know that we're listening
[1:20:47] to the problems of the community mr
[1:20:49] mayor i i
[1:20:50] don't want to create the controversy
[1:20:52] because i believe
[1:20:53] that mr williams comes up to go out to
[1:20:56] the town meetings
[1:20:58] on this path if you're going to have
[1:21:00] that as a topic aren't you better off
[1:21:02] having a city council meeting where it's
[1:21:05] recorded in the minutes of the meeting
[1:21:07] and it may then create a basis for
[1:21:09] legislative action or if you do it the
[1:21:12] town hall it's all informal it's a nice
[1:21:16] narrative but
[1:21:20] it may not give you the full weight that
[1:21:22] you
[1:21:22] want from it
[1:21:25] so
[1:21:26] i guess this is a question for you so mr
[1:21:28] upholding if we do a town hall format
[1:21:30] that's like
[1:21:30] we just like got together
[1:21:32] um or do we call it a special meeting i
[1:21:34] mean what can we do about that i can't
[1:21:36] advise you on what obviously what to do
[1:21:38] i mean you're certainly you know could
[1:21:40] have a town hall meeting as a council
[1:21:43] i think what the mayor's
[1:21:44] driving at is if there's some
[1:21:46] legislative action that takes place at
[1:21:48] some point in the future
[1:21:50] you obviously you know afford to be
[1:21:53] you know to take action there has to be
[1:21:55] some basis generally a lot of times you
[1:21:57] know maybe
[1:21:59] you know
[1:22:00] you can take notes and all that but if
[1:22:01] there's legislation that's going to be
[1:22:03] happening at some point in the future
[1:22:07] i would advise the council to have some
[1:22:09] type of basis for taking that action and
[1:22:12] if you know things are
[1:22:14] informally done at a town hall
[1:22:17] and you don't have minutes and you don't
[1:22:18] have you know some type of record of
[1:22:20] what took place it becomes more
[1:22:22] difficult
[1:22:23] to legislate with that informality
[1:22:29] so i
[1:22:30] you know
[1:22:32] why not do both right like why can't you
[1:22:34] know what people do i think that
[1:22:36] having the town hall format
[1:22:38] um
[1:22:39] gives people um
[1:22:42] a chance to you know
[1:22:44] participate and give us some information
[1:22:47] in in a different setting
[1:22:49] and you know i i don't think
[1:22:59] a special meeting or whatever you know
[1:23:01] what recognition that approach
[1:23:04] can do
[1:23:17] i'm not texting anyone i was just
[1:23:18] looking up special meetings to see
[1:23:20] if that was an option
[1:23:22] um so
[1:23:26] um i think that we have to to i mean we
[1:23:29] don't have to make the decision tonight
[1:23:30] but i think you definitely have to um
[1:23:32] make some decisions um i just pulled it
[1:23:35] up but i don't think it's enough here
[1:23:36] for me to um
[1:23:39] okay so it looks like if we call the
[1:23:40] special meeting we could call a special
[1:23:42] meeting one topic
[1:23:44] and that would it could be a city
[1:23:45] council special meeting based on that
[1:23:47] and that would capture
[1:23:48] the information as well
[1:23:51] so that's another option
[1:23:53] as opposed to found off
[1:24:00] so mr charlie this is your topic um
[1:24:04] i guess it's kind of both of your topics
[1:24:05] what what is your would you like to see
[1:24:07] the next steps on this were you asking
[1:24:09] at the council yeah so i think the next
[1:24:12] steps will be
[1:24:15] we're just going to send um some things
[1:24:16] um
[1:24:17] and i think that
[1:24:19] i i fully you know i wanted to
[1:24:22] introduce this um conversation here um
[1:24:25] but i think that it definitely uh
[1:24:28] lends itself well to uh
[1:24:32] you know whatever format you know you
[1:24:34] ultimately decide on but i think that
[1:24:36] this is i would just like to see this
[1:24:38] conversation happen
[1:24:40] and i'd like to see our welcome
[1:24:42] counselor
[1:24:48] but
[1:24:50] this is people's lives that we're
[1:24:51] talking about here and i think that's
[1:24:53] just something i want to continue
[1:24:58] so i know we had a lot of conversation
[1:24:59] whether she did a town hall meeting or
[1:25:01] in the mayor brought back before that if
[1:25:03] it's not official then it doesn't do
[1:25:06] anything so chapter 28 does speak for
[1:25:07] special meetings so that's another we
[1:25:09] could have a special meeting outside of
[1:25:11] city hall that um in a larger venue
[1:25:15] um that would
[1:25:16] for that particular topic and then you
[1:25:18] know still capture the information and
[1:25:20] that would satisfy
[1:25:22] everything
[1:25:23] so
[1:25:24] yes ms patrick or we could i mean or we
[1:25:26] could do a city council meeting here
[1:25:30] where we have the reporting we have the
[1:25:32] city clerk we have you know office staff
[1:25:35] et cetera right in this building um and
[1:25:37] do it as part of a city council meeting
[1:25:39] right
[1:25:40] public hearing or
[1:25:42] we already i mean we obviously had i
[1:25:45] think there were 16 different
[1:25:46] individuals that spoke
[1:25:48] um
[1:25:49] from the landlord
[1:25:51] we did hear from the one person last
[1:25:53] week obviously at the rail um
[1:25:56] but
[1:25:58] i don't know again i don't know that we
[1:25:59] need a special city council meeting that
[1:26:01] we can
[1:26:02] do it during a city council meeting if
[1:26:04] that if that to fit with the idea of
[1:26:06] reporting and that type of thing
[1:26:11] well we can record wherever we go and
[1:26:14] so
[1:26:15] um mr williams do you have any i'm sorry
[1:26:17] so i think part of the wanting to get
[1:26:19] actionable on this is i feel like we
[1:26:21] keep having a circle circular
[1:26:23] conversation
[1:26:25] the intent is to have a conversation in
[1:26:27] the community what's an appropriate
[1:26:28] topic to find an appropriate topic and
[1:26:30] if it somehow comes back to
[1:26:33] it would be easier to maintain it here i
[1:26:35] didn't kind of miss the overall intent
[1:26:37] of wanting to meet the community where
[1:26:38] they are
[1:26:40] i understand that there are other
[1:26:42] already established meeting settings
[1:26:44] such as neighborhood associated meetings
[1:26:46] but i think we need to be intentional
[1:26:48] with having a designated time to go out
[1:26:52] whether it is a town hall or whether
[1:26:54] it's a special meeting which i did
[1:26:55] recommend first rose recommended that we
[1:26:57] did not need that
[1:26:59] i am in favor of doing whatever as long
[1:27:02] as we can get to the community that's if i'm going to be being very
[1:27:06] transparent that's what i want
[1:27:08] and i understand that i'm not it's not a
[1:27:11] council of college lawyers
[1:27:13] so i recognize the importance of
[1:27:16] meeting everyone where they are but
[1:27:17] without any other input from the council
[1:27:19] i would absolutely recommend having a
[1:27:21] special meeting
[1:27:22] at destiny location and i can put
[1:27:24] together all the homework assignments
[1:27:27] that were
[1:27:28] given to me to get the proper message
[1:27:30] get the menu products and outlines and
[1:27:33] counselors for us to discuss
[1:27:35] behind the scenes and that way we can
[1:27:37] out we can roll this out to the
[1:27:38] community the appropriate way so people
[1:27:40] are aware not so that they can come in
[1:27:42] full force posturing just so they can
[1:27:44] come with their stories that we can hear
[1:27:47] and be able to have a validity with how
[1:27:50] we should respond
[1:27:56] or is that just thinking what's that
[1:28:10] and i don't even know what you're saying
[1:28:17] yes so again um i think we keep having
[1:28:19] this conversation because i think two
[1:28:21] meetings ago we did decide that we
[1:28:23] didn't want to do city hall meetings
[1:28:25] outside of city hall
[1:28:27] i think that was the decision um and
[1:28:29] that that's how we got to the town hall
[1:28:31] meeting place
[1:28:33] so
[1:28:34] i personally would like to stick with
[1:28:36] that idea
[1:28:39] i don't think it was a final decision i
[1:28:41] think it was a discussion i don't think
[1:28:43] we finally said yes absolutely no city
[1:28:45] council meetings outside of town and if
[1:28:47] somebody else heard it differently
[1:28:48] let me know
[1:28:50] um
[1:28:51] so
[1:28:53] all right we just you got to get some
[1:28:54] things out of here right tonight
[1:28:56] so are we going to have a town hall and
[1:28:59] the city council meeting to address this
[1:29:02] because
[1:29:03] the whole purpose of mr um
[1:29:05] is bringing this forward was that we
[1:29:07] actually engage the community outside
[1:29:08] the community we go to meetings
[1:29:11] often um and we
[1:29:14] sort of hosted one with the um oh um the
[1:29:16] cannabis events we just kind of like
[1:29:18] helped them but they really did all the
[1:29:19] work there so that we we've done that so
[1:29:22] i i'm not sure why we're opposed to
[1:29:24] doing more things like that where people
[1:29:26] clearly
[1:29:27] people came to that meeting that
[1:29:29] probably we've never seen in the city
[1:29:31] council meeting because it was a topic
[1:29:33] they were interested in
[1:29:35] so
[1:29:35] i don't see why we are objecting to
[1:29:39] going meaning outside of
[1:29:42] um
[1:29:43] these four walls or however many walls
[1:29:45] they're off
[1:29:47] so i'm not sure why there's a major
[1:29:48] objection to that
[1:29:51] and um
[1:29:53] i think i heard from every council
[1:29:54] member except mr moon do you have any
[1:29:55] thoughts on this
[1:29:57] no i'm okay but i had a title
[1:29:59] either format
[1:30:04] so the discussion is like how do we look
[1:30:06] forward to you know
[1:30:08] do we just take do we do the special
[1:30:10] meeting or do we do the town hall and
[1:30:13] city council meeting which is more of
[1:30:15] the same and will people come to vote
[1:30:24] right right right um yes and i was just
[1:30:27] reminded that we went out to the
[1:30:29] community when we talked about arthur we
[1:30:31] presented ourselves to the community so
[1:30:33] disable the needs what's that
[1:30:34] neighborhood meetings
[1:30:36] no we created those meetings those
[1:30:38] meetings were created by us you know i
[1:30:39] think the i think the mayor and the city
[1:30:42] development office but that's what i'm
[1:30:44] talking about those neighborhood
[1:30:45] meetings were really effective but they
[1:30:47] weren't just for they weren't they were
[1:30:49] specifically for arka it wasn't like the
[1:30:51] neighborhood association is meeting
[1:30:52] right no no i i know what you're saying
[1:30:54] right um but i'm saying that's what i
[1:30:56] think we talked about in terms of this
[1:30:57] idea of a town meeting was the exact
[1:31:00] same thing we even said that two
[1:31:01] meetings ago that those neighborhood
[1:31:03] meetings were a perfect model of a way
[1:31:07] to solicit and the idea was for us to
[1:31:09] not say anything
[1:31:10] as city council people but to go and
[1:31:12] listen and i think we all did pretty
[1:31:14] much go i know i missed one i think
[1:31:16] maybe each of us missed one out of all
[1:31:19] the united
[1:31:20] uh
[1:31:21] of those meetings
[1:31:22] and they were really informative so i
[1:31:24] think that that is a good model this
[1:31:27] town hall meeting neighborhood meeting
[1:31:28] whatever you want to call it is a good
[1:31:30] model to solicit input
[1:31:32] on a topic i think with the cannabis one
[1:31:35] again i mean if we had said we're going
[1:31:37] to have the cannabis office cannabis
[1:31:39] management come and do that meeting here
[1:31:41] at city hall those folks would have
[1:31:43] showed up at city hall i mean i don't
[1:31:44] know that to be true it's right across
[1:31:46] the street i know what it is
[1:31:49] right that's what i'm saying though i
[1:31:50] think that nobody else
[1:31:52] would have would have come to this
[1:31:54] building just as they did to the library
[1:31:56] which is another good setting for a
[1:31:57] neighborhood meeting by the way
[1:31:59] um
[1:32:01] but what i'm saying to you what i'm
[1:32:03] saying about that is i
[1:32:05] know some people that were meeting i
[1:32:07] personally invited people i had people
[1:32:08] invite people who have never and i've
[1:32:10] invited some of those same people to
[1:32:11] city hall
[1:32:12] who have never shown up so for some
[1:32:14] people
[1:32:15] um not there's anything wrong with city
[1:32:17] hall we all love it here certainly um
[1:32:19] but there's some people that just feel a
[1:32:21] little bit more comfortable outside of
[1:32:23] what they consider very formal
[1:32:25] environments and so um so that's where
[1:32:27] we're just trying to meet people where
[1:32:28] they are
[1:32:33] mr i think
[1:32:35] this is a very certain conversation
[1:32:38] and i think it's it's pretty clear that
[1:32:40] this is just about
[1:32:42] accessibility and we should be thinking
[1:32:45] of different ways
[1:32:47] to be
[1:32:48] um you know where tradition shouldn't
[1:32:50] stifle innovation here we should be
[1:32:52] thinking of ways to create more entry
[1:32:54] points for people to be involved it
[1:32:56] sounds like a good idea to do that so
[1:32:58] can we just do that so we can do
[1:33:00] something or we just come keep into our
[1:33:02] circular conversation
[1:33:04] and i again support the
[1:33:07] issues that i brought forth as far as
[1:33:08] residency organization i support that
[1:33:11] being that so my
[1:33:13] let's
[1:33:14] do a special meeting
[1:33:16] in the community
[1:33:18] on rent stabilization
[1:33:21] that's my position
[1:33:26] okay
[1:33:27] so
[1:33:31] i'm i i could support that but i guess
[1:33:33] we would have to kind of take a straw
[1:33:34] hole because it's going to need at least
[1:33:36] four of us who say that we're willing to
[1:33:37] do that
[1:33:40] so i'll start meeting mr feldman no it
[1:33:42] should be a town hall
[1:33:44] the idea of a special meeting i think
[1:33:47] there's restrictions that we want to be
[1:33:49] able to hear people
[1:33:51] and to get to the what we're trying to
[1:33:52] achieve
[1:33:54] just in my mind it doesn't accomplish it
[1:33:56] and secondly
[1:33:58] when we have a center of government
[1:34:01] and people aren't coming here that's a
[1:34:03] problem
[1:34:05] because we want people to come here
[1:34:08] and be able to
[1:34:09] address us
[1:34:10] to be able to
[1:34:12] bring their concerns and be comfortable
[1:34:14] here
[1:34:15] and we're out in the community all the
[1:34:17] time i'm even gonna say we i know i am
[1:34:21] and several other people
[1:34:23] so this this notion that we're not going
[1:34:26] to people except when there's an
[1:34:28] election is this false
[1:34:30] but we need people to come here in order
[1:34:33] to be comfortable
[1:34:35] it doesn't mean we don't have other
[1:34:36] arenas like a town hall in order to
[1:34:40] uh hear what people have to say
[1:34:42] but when we're conducting official
[1:34:44] business there's a reason we have city
[1:34:47] hall
[1:34:48] and we want people to be comfortable
[1:34:50] coming here and if they're not
[1:34:52] comfortable coming here
[1:34:54] and having something intentionally
[1:34:56] outside just for the comfort level
[1:34:59] that's sending the wrong message we want
[1:35:02] people to be comfortable coming to our
[1:35:04] meetings
[1:35:06] and by doing this we're sending the
[1:35:08] wrong message
[1:35:09] mr tara i'd be in favor of a town hall
[1:35:12] at a special meeting i think if we have
[1:35:14] to have a special meeting we'll be here
[1:35:16] in the council chambers
[1:35:17] but a town hall for sure
[1:35:22] assuming to them so mr williams you
[1:35:24] started out this evening discussing that
[1:35:26] you're in favor of a top hall
[1:35:28] and mr mccarthy just stepped in to say
[1:35:31] take official action you need to do it
[1:35:33] so kind of like
[1:35:35] based on your research and everything
[1:35:37] that you put together you're more in
[1:35:38] favor of a tom hall
[1:35:40] forces on the special um
[1:35:42] committee meeting is that
[1:35:45] what you were discussing earlier today
[1:35:48] i was looking forward to hearing some
[1:35:50] input from the other council members
[1:35:51] that is the first time mr palomi has
[1:35:53] said that during this discussion started
[1:35:55] hearing that
[1:35:57] absolutely i would be willing to go back
[1:35:59] to having a town hall meeting my whole
[1:36:01] and my old uh intentions with that
[1:36:04] compromise was trying to figure out a
[1:36:06] way to collaboratively work with each
[1:36:08] other
[1:36:09] but having made that calm so late in the
[1:36:11] conversation
[1:36:12] if i had the opportunity i would have
[1:36:14] done what i wanted to do first because
[1:36:15] of special meeting
[1:36:16] but hearing this now i can
[1:36:19] have a ton of me but my vote's not now
[1:36:22] true
[1:36:25] yeah i'm
[1:36:27] since basically a discussion earlier i'm going to be at this point if i'm in
[1:36:30] fayetteville
[1:36:33] it's patrick i'm in favor of town hall
[1:36:36] whether we call it town hall or a
[1:36:38] neighborhood meeting i have expressed i
[1:36:40] think we did express a couple meetings
[1:36:42] when we first had that first discussion
[1:36:44] mr williams i think we all did say that
[1:36:46] this is the place that we you know want
[1:36:48] to develop an official business at least
[1:36:50] i think that i i think that mr coleman
[1:36:52] didn't say that i don't know i know i
[1:36:54] said it um but i do think i'll go back
[1:36:56] to i'll go back to um you know the
[1:37:00] event that um
[1:37:02] miss cornfield and miss de toro and i
[1:37:04] had with um some young women
[1:37:08] young girls and young women
[1:37:10] from the school district here i do think
[1:37:13] that i like the idea of opening our
[1:37:15] doors even in that way like having girl
[1:37:18] scout troops or boy scout troops that
[1:37:20] come in and you know meet with folks and get to tour the place um you know so
[1:37:25] i think to the question of how do we
[1:37:27] think outside the box around those kinds
[1:37:29] of things i think i think starting to
[1:37:32] have tours or whatever i mean the
[1:37:33] history that we talked about that day
[1:37:35] was informative even to me um so i think
[1:37:38] that there are ways that we can do that
[1:37:40] but i i do appreciate the fact that this
[1:37:42] is the seat of our government here and i agree that
[1:37:48] we have to figure out ways to make it
[1:37:49] comfortable but in this regard i say
[1:37:52] town hall name of the meeting
[1:37:55] so
[1:37:57] again
[1:37:58] i just i'm in the favor of doing
[1:38:00] something
[1:38:01] and i think that you know
[1:38:03] and
[1:38:04] making things accessible to people
[1:38:07] i am not married to being a special
[1:38:10] meeting i would fully support being a
[1:38:13] town hall
[1:38:14] um and
[1:38:17] you know not either or but yes and so
[1:38:19] yes town hall and we you know we are
[1:38:23] being intentional about increasing
[1:38:26] access and hearing so from our
[1:38:28] non-traditional voices that don't come
[1:38:30] in the city hall because we do official
[1:38:33] business here at city hall but we do the
[1:38:36] business of the people at city hall so
[1:38:38] we need to be going to the people and
[1:38:40] finding ways to do that
[1:38:42] so i'm all for the town hall that's what
[1:38:44] we want to do um and i again i think we
[1:38:47] should talk about rent stabilization um
[1:38:50] that's what i got there for today
[1:38:55] mr
[1:38:57] so without
[1:38:58] trying to beat the dead horse i think i
[1:39:01] think looking at something as simple as
[1:39:03] our green market which is an awesome
[1:39:05] resource for
[1:39:07] our community to showcase to the capital
[1:39:09] region
[1:39:10] there are often times where i'll walk
[1:39:11] around asking people do you live in the
[1:39:13] city and more times than not they don't
[1:39:15] so i think that is a case in point that
[1:39:17] how if we expected people to have to
[1:39:20] traverse down here to get any
[1:39:22] governmental access i think that's wrong
[1:39:25] and it's not to say that this shouldn't
[1:39:26] be the focal point because i agree with
[1:39:28] you
[1:39:29] what i'm saying is if there are
[1:39:31] opportunities for us to take this
[1:39:33] vehicle into the community
[1:39:35] why not try it
[1:39:37] and we're not marrying ourselves to
[1:39:39] doing this on a
[1:39:41] quarterly basis which is what i
[1:39:42] recommended first
[1:39:44] about understanding that this is a
[1:39:46] process and having gone through several
[1:39:48] drafts of this conversation this is
[1:39:49] where we're at and i'm excited so i look
[1:39:52] forward to capturing all the notes that
[1:39:54] i compiled so that we make sure when we
[1:39:56] do engage the community and a town hall
[1:39:59] site which we'll be putting us to it is
[1:40:01] appropriate and we'll take the lessons
[1:40:03] learned and we will discuss whether this
[1:40:05] was a benefit
[1:40:06] or
[1:40:10] so
[1:40:11] it looks like it's settled town hall is
[1:40:12] the direction we need to go in but i
[1:40:14] think we do need to capture it somehow
[1:40:15] mayor so we have to we will have to
[1:40:17] think more about how we actually get
[1:40:18] people in again
[1:40:20] to talk about this and um so having
[1:40:22] people come in to talk as you made the
[1:40:24] point this time it's not the tour was us
[1:40:26] telling them and describing them this
[1:40:28] time with them telling us
[1:40:29] so
[1:40:32] i meant that i like the idea of trying
[1:40:34] to
[1:40:35] that was a separate thing okay that was
[1:40:37] me digressing into the way that we can
[1:40:40] start to make people feel comfortable
[1:40:41] about coming here is maybe talking to
[1:40:43] young people and having young people
[1:40:45] come here um and
[1:40:48] sharing with them what this place is um
[1:40:50] i mean i think we heard that day that
[1:40:52] somebody that came didn't even know that
[1:40:54] there was such a thing as the city of
[1:40:56] all of where to see it all was so i
[1:40:58] think the more that we can do those
[1:40:59] kinds of things as well
[1:41:01] um
[1:41:02] i'm not play something okay what we're
[1:41:04] talking about i'm saying okay kids i
[1:41:06] didn't quite get it yeah no it's a nice
[1:41:07] way to get people to come down here we
[1:41:09] can do
[1:41:10] i'm sure they're able to post coffee and
[1:41:12] donuts for adults maybe even that
[1:41:14] haven't been here but i'm just i'm
[1:41:16] joking but i'm just saying i mean i
[1:41:17] think there's ways to to to introduce
[1:41:20] people to city hall as well
[1:41:21] so um just to like
[1:41:23] return the focus to this so we're going
[1:41:25] to do a town hall meeting
[1:41:27] with the
[1:41:29] you want the discussion to be rent
[1:41:31] stabilization i think we do have some
[1:41:33] homework to do um before that
[1:41:35] um mr
[1:41:37] williams send out the dates and then we
[1:41:39] can all decide oh well can you just
[1:41:41] check to make sure none of them fall on
[1:41:43] the uh neighborhood association dave
[1:41:45] email has sent out the date and then
[1:41:47] we'll
[1:41:48] say yes no
[1:41:49] you know which state works for us
[1:41:51] and take from there and then and just as
[1:41:53] a reminder we still need to do something
[1:41:55] so that it can be
[1:41:56] because the mayor said it needs to in
[1:41:58] order to if we're going to move forward
[1:41:59] and do anything we have to have some way
[1:42:00] that we officially capture
[1:42:02] what we're doing here so and the town
[1:42:04] hall does not meet that particular
[1:42:07] need
[1:42:08] so
[1:42:09] we have to record it
[1:42:11] right
[1:42:12] take
[1:42:15] oh
[1:42:16] all right so um
[1:42:19] so mr um williams will send that out
[1:42:22] we'll head back and hopefully sometime
[1:42:24] in september or early october
[1:42:26] we'll actually move forward on this and
[1:42:28] in the meantime um
[1:42:31] if we can keep the council just updating
[1:42:32] in terms of
[1:42:34] you know where we are with that
[1:42:36] um
[1:42:37] mr farley i need to hand it back to you
[1:42:39] because you were the this was your topic
[1:42:41] of discussion
[1:42:43] i'm just glad that you know we're
[1:42:45] talking about this really important
[1:42:46] topic
[1:42:48] for um
[1:42:50] making
[1:42:51] decisions
[1:42:53] you know
[1:42:54] informed decisions and making people
[1:42:55] access to the hard conversations
[1:42:59] okay
[1:43:00] thank you thank you all for your input
[1:43:03] and uh the next item on the agenda is an
[1:43:05] amendment of the bargaining agreement mr
[1:43:08] poland does that need to be an executive
[1:43:09] session um i'm requesting that it'd be
[1:43:10] an executive session
[1:43:12] okay and all remaining items for
[1:43:14] property sales also need to be an
[1:43:16] executive session so at this time i'll
[1:43:18] entertain a motion to go in the
[1:43:20] executive session
[1:43:21] second all those in favor