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i'd like to call to order this
connecting city council committee
meeting for monday august 1st 2022.
uh first committee of claims
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legislature
okay
so the county folks
need me up there so i appreciate
and his great team at dsic
uh submitted an application to aarp
which somebody said to me over the
weekend i'd go am i a member
american association of retired people
and i thought it was a long shot grant
but they won it was really great it was
a national competition and they picked a
couple of projects in every state just a
handful two or three and jim and his
team and it's connected one and it's to
improve a public space
basically in a downtown area so congrats
to jim jim is here heather peterson is
here who chairs the dsic great great
news so we working with the mayor and
andrew colvin and the team we've looked
at the site here on j-100 104-j where the
fire was back in 2015.
we've been maintaining that lot
mowing it
picking up the litter the city has site
control of both parcels as i understand
it
through the foreclosure process so we'd
like to go forward with a five year
lease
at no cost and then a five-year option
so this preserves the ability to do a
development deal at that site in the
future
someone wants to do something there on
the development side but we think new
space is very important urban green
space
and then growing downtown a lot more
residential units uh are happening
it's important for people to have a
place to go
and june can talk a little bit more
about the
plans for the site but we'd like to uh
we're going to
match the grant that jim won
with another twenty thousand dollars and
we're going to continue to maintain the
property
keep it free of litter
um
you know do all the maintenance the
mowing snow plowing whatever we need to
do we've been doing it anyway since 15.
so we'd ask for your support to move
this forward i think
the downtown community is pretty excited
about it and if you can i'd just like
jim to just talk about it a little more
because he knows the
design stuff about the site a lot better
than i do
yeah thanks frank
uh with the grant that we got from aarp
it includes some specific things to go
into the space
and a big part of that is ada compliance
because it's important for
them as a renting organization to make
sure that spaces that they're helping to
fund are
so it would include
some regular picnic tables some garbage
receptacles
some signage but also would include 88
compliant benches
flower boxes that people could
get up to using a wheelchair if
necessary and again
to have a space that is usable in
downtown for everybody
and
thanks to ray and everybody in metroplex
and their generosity working with us on
the project they're really going to
provide some additional funding to make
sure it's well lit
we really want to get some public art in
there there's you know there's a lot of
elements we're really in the beginning
stages of talking about
what the design will be but
as we all know it's an extremely
prominent place
right across from city hall and
i know the businesses and the community
would really appreciate
having the space to uh spend time with
that
i have a question actually probably for
you mr dylan
let's say for instance that somebody
comes along and wants to
put a building there or build something
that would you know give income to the
city what is what would our options be
then or once it becomes a green space is
always a green space no it's not we're
not dedic we're not looking to dedicate
this apartment it's a really good
question we had some people ask this uh
it's just a lease
uh and uh we have to have some term of
the lease to protect the investment from
the aarp grant our match
but we've looked at this site we really
haven't had a lot of interest in it
because it's very small you know and
you can only do a handful of units there
we've done thousands of new apartments
downtown
so we really are looking more at the
value of having a green space but the
way we're looking to write the contract
between metrics and the city is to have
five and five
and have some
ability to terminate the contract with
some notice on both you know on your
side so in case somebody wants to build
something there we have a way to
accommodate that so try to look at all
future options i know that's something
the mayor talked about as well if
somebody wants to come in there and do
infill
but right now we're really excited about
reading it up and having a place for
people
and i know the green market is really
exciting on sunday as well just to be
able
so successful and so
busy that they can use that as
you know teaching space gathering space
you know just yesterday
they've already been at the table on the
green market it's extremely exciting
right i think we're gonna have community
input on the design so welcome
all ideas
thank you
any other questions
i just want to comment i think that this
fits in really well with um the work of
the creative placemaking
summit also and especially in terms of
being able to extend
the excitement of the pedestrian part of
j street um a little bit further so it
will help some of the businesses
again a little bit further um but i
think even for the festivals like kids
art fest and and some of those things
that it just will provide
you know just be really
nice right and take those scrolls that
converse yeah
i think it's great and congratulations
on the brand
plus uh mr before yeah like i just
wanted to a second and say
congratulations on what seemed to be a
pretty competitive grant you know um so
and i have to give a special shout out
to amy saunder
on our team who is
really instrumental in
getting the grant submitted so
thank you for that and i you know i
think it's always great when we you know
now after you know being successful in
the competitive space then you have uh
metrics that's stepping in within the
partner to kind of leverage you know
build up that success so i think that
this is a good thing it sounds like a
really good thing so i appreciate that
thank you
and what's the time frame
as soon as we can we already have a
design okay hoping that you might
approve it
just they didn't have me in the room
because i'm not a good design person but
they i know they had a meeting last week
i'm sorry
one more question
i'm sorry um hi so um i know you're
mentioning before you just wanted to
have the lease in place was there any
considerations of recruiting social
equity to selecting five years
was there any reason for selecting a
five-year term um
we initially had talked about 10 but i
think this same idea of giving
both sides flexibility i think the mayor
talked about that council is kind of
giving people some flexibility in case
some other opportunity arises
um
so it's just kind of a good
give-and-take
and if i can't follow up
also you mentioned having public input
can you describe how you see that or
what capacity i think we're gonna we
have like uh we come up with some
preliminary designs and we can share
that you know
kind of meeting and publicly and put it
on our website
yeah that's come up in our discussions
and we feel that there's either through
educating a bench or having just
something that just
honors you because the artwork on the
fence now it just keeps the memory alive
to all of us and clearly say them
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the people and what happened there as
well while turning it into a break we
didn't want to move on too quickly
either
that's
any other questions
a second always in paper
so i'd like to call it or the public
safety committee we have six items on
the agenda for today the first
the number of them will be briefed by
mike's
ac seaver the first of which is the gift
uh grant for fiscal year 2022-23
thank you thank you
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grants given through us by new york
state um for different reasons for
students that first homeowner generally
is the given
event
it's a
2022-2023 give grant
of our standard grant that we uh
received every year the amount is going
to work out with uh dcgs as a county
we've received 785 thousand 275 dollars
for the city we're going to get 354 142
dollars on that other money um i
included our application
which is very likely but i just wanted
you guys to have a better understanding
what goes into the application how much
thought is given to it we work with dcbs
on developing it it's not just
us but there's a lot of effort that goes
in within the police department in the
da's office information and sheriff's
and everyone shout out to everybody so
it's a you know cooperation that we'll
agree with so any questions i can ask
you can we send it to that paperwork
it was very comprehensive i mean it was
really interesting reading actually so
thank you for
evidence you yeah what's based on you
know theories and stuff it is quite
involved
if you know the question or comments
there's any motion to approve foreign
moving on to the next item that's the
edward byrne memorial justice associate
grant
foreign program local association fiscal
year 2022 35 acc
again this submarine
open source station that they basically
give us a dollar amount here on that we
have to
basically work out the numbers from the
district during that let's be sure
the city police department and the
district attorney's office we have a
series of meetings and discussions on on
this topic every year um and this year
what we like to buy is for enforcement
purposes is as a new motorcycle i know
it sounds kind of off off the chart a
little bit different but our
presently we have two highly different
motorcycles that were purchased
in some years in government they're
okay for training but they're not
necessarily paid for enforcement so um
traffic division i included our
application there which it explains kind
of in detail how that will be used and
so forth we're going to answer any
questions i just want to
do later if you haven't read it but just
um if you have any questions along those
lines again with the split the rant with
the da's office so we each get 24 390
any questions or comments actually on
the questions has nothing to do with
this grant at all
it's something i've been thinking about
for a while and curious whatever
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there are some parts
we have to certify our officers you know
every so often to get new officers in
there um it's just the age we've been
putting some money into them and they're
just starting to get up um
older i mean they're still they're still
valuable i'm not considered but it just
won't sink the newer ones we'd like to
keep just particularly for um
control reasons and stuff like that for
training purposes so we'll take the old
ones into the training okay so the ones
are there you just use those for
training and the new ones you would use
yeah we could use them if we had to have
an event like downtown sometimes bigger
against downtown like that
we moved to christmas parade yeah it's
nice to meet you throughout the crowd
and we used them
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all right moving on to the second item
police traffic services program grant
new york state governors traffic safety
committee by accident
again new york state uh traffic safety
committee gtsc and this is for 43 976.
this one here i included the budget on
it
it's really used for enforcement seat
belt usages aggressive drivers
kind of accident high accident areas
there are certain events throughout the
year at the state um that request that
we participate in this funding will pay
for some of those parts to know when we
participate
against yearly grant formless
it's not applied force kind of given to
the city
any questions or comments
so the prince only went to 43.9 so how
much
enforcement like
that's because you know that's the last
fourth place up right right it's hard to
figure out the average cost of free
sales for an overtime generator
i think there's two or three thousand
dollars um for other than personal um
plus something by equipment like vests
you know that's that this can be seen at
nighttime or different types of
senses or something along those lines um
i don't have a raw answer for you know
that again it depends
what the officer's pay grade is and
who's working it and so forth generally
speaking we use our traffic division
officers they get kind of first priority
of some of these because they're well
versed and well trained in that area and
so they're generally at a full-scale pay
so i can i can
do the math and shoot you an estimate of
how many hours yeah okay and otherwise i
look at last year's and seminars we
actually used to try these yes
absolutely thank you very much any other
questions or comments
do not answer motion
second favorite hi
moving on to the next item which is
pedestrian bike and automobile crash
education grant and state governor's
traffic safety committee
there used to be some report this hard i
just want to put that out there
these pants now they're putting live and
summertime so i do apologize for all
these others on there but this one here
is again one of the government traffic
safety committees it's thirty one
thousand one hundred fifty
dedicated highway safety programs but
for pedestrian uh like other crashes
that are again sometimes there's some
issues that the state puts on that we
would um
participate in and
again
use that as funding for those programs
as well as our own issues
so it's similar to the last lesson
uh again any questions or comments
i'll move it second all those in favor
bye
and the last item is um
accident officer safety plan by acc here
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this is something
that the president counsel receives a
presentation on
about a month ago
i think council president or the mayor
often we have to be faced
with part of the plan um but they they
came back with a proposal um this is
really for discussion purposes um
teacher clifford's out of town tonight
shouldn't be here it's more or less for
discussion purposes um they gave us a
proposal at the time office of
everything they
spoke about a month ago
we wanted to have a hard copy in case
there's you know want to make notes and
so forth again we send it to you i can
answer a lot of questions but
we
as a department research other funding
opportunities that we have for this this
program itself um the contractor
organized a 10-year contract we do a
five-year contract because there's a
caveat in here that says that um if
funding is not if the council does not
fund it it murder that quarter we can
get out of contract so it's kind of like
a safety net if you would with that said
though um i have to present this formula
in a couple weeks or months that we had
for it but we do feel it we can cover
costs for the first couple years now
there might be other grandmothers
after that and we we just can't
say that right now so we can't obligate
anybody's past the next couple years but
we do have money for this of yourself to
pay for it obviously for additional
grants and other
funding streams that we have but would
be a commitment on the city's behalf
sort of
you know joining for a 10-year program
again if there's financial struggles or
there's a catch-all come in and i can
refer to a legal on that but a place
that's strong enough to support anything
that something happens down the road
that we couldn't finish it as a city
financially supported
there's a lot of a lot of moving parts
to this this whole plan
it's an officer safety plan that we
spoke about who's the tasers body
cameras virtual reality training um the
storage of such which is big and and to
share your data on
this on it holding car video system as
well
this is kind of a
soup to nuts as far as everything's
included on the planet
again i can answer hopefully any
questions you have that's it's not
answers
any questions or comments
yes the torah oh yeah um so if you'd be
interested in the whole package yes
absolutely
we're recommending this
and each officer would have a taser gun
yeah steering trophy
uniform yes okay
it's mainly and each everybody has
a body camera they have extra body
cameras some extra pretty detectives not
every detective but they
so and what's also with this um within
the plan
it refreshes our equipment every so
often like i know the body cameras that
waves every
three years or three and a half years so
then we get new body cameras what's nice
about that you're getting the latest
technology so even though we're spending
some money
we have to like our body cameras now are
three and four years old they're kind of
the end of life so we have to come up
with some kind of uh
replacement for them um and this is kind
of
just that phase of it but in this
program they they finish them every so
much off i think we get three upgrades
with this 10-year plan
and
there's a significant discount that
they're giving us as well by by bundling
all these services i think i saw that i
can't i feel like it was like two million
dollars or something yeah the math is
all there i don't have the raw number
top of my head right now but yes there's
a big one it's really kind of what has
to do with um
going from five years to 10-year plan
so they they did offer a quick incentive
that was a 10-year plan i think it was a
big incentive
mr pardon yeah so that that was going to
be my question he was going to say so
that was the five so going into the
10-year
contract um will give us some
significant cost savings over the
five-year contract correct correct the
monthly cost again i can tell these
numbers for you have any questions
with the answers for them but yes there
is and and there you'll see they should
see four packets in there that they
haven't been doing it yet but one is
just by axon it's kind of they're what the whole program is about
um then there's broken down to um in-car
video systems and the cost of associated
oh i'm sorry the interview rooms are in
there also so the interview rooms which
we have eight rooms in the department
they'd all be covered in there they
would have um the body cameras um
the body camera in their energy room
separate
um that the
car radio system separate and then you
have the body cameras and the taser
doesn't form
so that's that's one package and then
when you see on the charts again i don't
notice i've read it but there's a
savings you'll see this they actually
put what the savings would be over the
course of the 10 year programs and what
so
with the body cams that we have now um
is that the
what what was the uh
the lifetime of that contract that we're
currently it wasn't really a contract we
bought those all right we did them in
funding so we brought them out right um
we also house it on an in-house server
it's not this will be a cloud-based
network
what this system does is it ties
everything in so if you have an
interview or an interview room um that
also gets linked by the camera which
just linked to the in-car video system
which gets linked to your taser if you
use it so it's kind of i think they call
it the officer safety program and what
happens is it you know puts them all
together um with the body cameras we
have now we actually just received a
grant this year to to
upgrade some buy additional cameras and
stuff that but we could use that some of
the money i was talking about before to
fund this program but it's um those were bought um we didn't have a
fight we didn't want to do a
police divide technique panasonic i'm
not sure that's what we had now
panasonic i'm not sure if they had it
back then um
we
five years ago we did um check on axon
you know we had um we did demo their
product and very good product but those
will cost since then they've come up
with the development this this
consolidated plan for better work and it
just kind of impresses us there's not
that many out there that have some deals
with other ones that do but they don't
you know they kind of
bundle it in such a way a lot of
agencies are going to just because it
simplifies it and what the demand on
right now for uh discovery rules um our
turn on time it's it's you know this is
hopefully we
got into the redaction part of it just
to try some stuff and there's a lot of
redaction what happens is it just all
gets bundled together so we don't have
to spend the time to kind of put it all
together so just um
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again i think when you saw the
demonstration
a couple of months ago it was i think
that that really stood out for me that
now we'd be having all of these services
under one
excuse me under one umbrella so that
everything was interconnected with
everything else um so i think it makes
it um more efficient as well in terms of
the officers
work
in terms of what they have to do
even in the reporting stages that kind
of thing so i liked that idea that this
was you know everything uh yeah even
when we
upload we have photos with corporation
council we have you know the discovery
with the da's office we have to send
stuff to the public defender's office
this will link everybody up also on the
back end that so it makes it a little
more efficient
thank you mr chairman uh chief
this is a five-year deal with a
five-year option exactly yeah i had
asked chief clinton to put that in
uh so we're getting the 10-year pricing
but five years out uh again when we
bought the panasonic
body cameras they were the best exxon
now is
uh
not one of the is probably the leader in
the market so
the state police are going to that
platform i think the city of albany is
there new york
uh city so there's compatibility
uh
with other agencies
but again it gives us
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an option to get out and there is the
basic option if the council chose not to
fund it in any given year
we could terminate it the reality
once you lock into this you're going to
have to do it for a period of time for
the record management and uh the
equipment deal is
very good in this one they're going to
give us the upgrades
a lot of this is done remote now so that
it's not like somebody on site
but it will uh
again complement some of the police
reforms we're doing
just public
engagement
with information to be able to turn it
around in a relatively quick period of
time and have it standardized so that
today there's still some
uh
focus focus of moving from one platform
to another platform depending on which
equipment that we're using or not using
so at least for me i definitely
appreciate you coming up here and giving
us
these full in-depth briefings i think
whenever i hear new and shiny thing i'm
always trying to find what's hidden in
the closet and uh
i think it's definitely a
selling point to know that a lot of the
other municipalities are switching this
platform but i do appreciate having the
option to kind of
grade and see if this meets our
functionality within the city before
jumping down and finding the new
panasonic which i think we all don't
want to be
so what i would be excited to see is
just how you're anticipating this new
these new features
uh adapting into your standard operating
procedures so you guys gotten into how
you're going to evolve or update yes yes
i mean we do all this now just on
different systems so it's a really
transition shouldn't be too bad um as
america's slightest several cities that
have it we've actually reached out to
them and had conversations with them and
make sure that we can evolve into this
they have become the leader of the whole
technology they're kind of going way
above and beyond they're even starting
to get into a cad system an rms system
which is record management and
dispatch you're not there yet but
they're they have it on their in their
incubator type of programs um so they're
kind of just leading the forefront um
sometimes until you pull the switch you
don't know because we have some growing
pains with panasonic it's just mostly
the downloading of it uh electronically
we have antennas working with john
puccio and his crew within the city that
you know now when we get within a couple
blocks of the police department it
starts to download and eventually
throughout the city it's going to you
know do that same type of thing so um
we've come a long way where we are the
panasonic system i'm not going to say is
a failure but they don't have that they
don't have all the fingers this has to
go together and so that's why we're kind
of um
excited about it again i can't sit here
and tell you that we hit that switch
it's going to be perfect
but they have proven it in so many other
areas that that
is kind of improving to us
and i'm not an i.t person other than i
know there's a button you press and it
goes on i know the button goes up
all right mr carl yeah so um coming to
the mayor's point i was wondering like
um
something that was
really
uh stood out to me last time you
discussed this was like the cloud and
the ability to kind of prevent storage
space and then you know so my question
then
and kind of is again like well i guess i
think this two-part question like
having that cloud storage space but i
would imagine make it um
doable for
officers to have their body cam on for
the entirety of chefs and like my
second i guess question is like
around the police reform could you kind
of talk a little bit about how
does this
increase transparency
and um how does it align with uh the
police reform that um
i i still don't think you're gonna have
the battery life
because there's still a battery life of
the camera it's not that way for the
cloud it's not the uploading it's about
so i don't think you'd be able to have
it on all day on nor
would i recommend that because that's
not a lot not on an officer walk around
but constantly not but that's a whole
different discussion um
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easier to uh grab that information and
be transparent um the writing of our
policies now and
our procedures is a lot of us geared
around police reforms and in several
ways that you might not see but it's
just to you know have the transparency
if something goes on we're doing a lot
of more human engagement and trying to
sell that okay we have no problem we
ourselves endorse all this technology we
want it actually you know
nine times or probably 97 times out of
100 you know protects them there are a
few times it bites them too so you know
but that's the part of the system so um
like without getting to
i can't right off the top i had specific
reforms that we're talking about that we
could um i could say this is this
goes into it but it might change some
internal policies as well
yeah just our operational policies
again
when we first created body cameras we
had a steering committee for our policy
and it was it was
a lot of community members i'm not sure
if anybody from
at the time and then um but we had a
broad range from clergy to i mean it was
kind of very dynamic da's office
obviously and other members of
there's like 20 people and there are 25
people so you know we just we didn't
overload it with one particular section
you know pva was there so and that's how
we design our policy doesn't mean
we don't constantly you know look at
revamp and make it better um but there's
something that happens out there that we
want to you know do it so
it's constantly it's it's i want to say
it's a fluid
policy because it is a policy in stone
but doesn't mean we can't change that
moment's notice and not to get off the
topic but the way we we have like a
whole system which is our policies now
all our policies are aligned all the
benefits transparency if you would um to
change a policy nowadays it's just so
much easier than it was
five years ago and the reason i say that
was the technology i have it on my phone
i've had it on my phone i could call any
policy at a time so if we want to make a
change we push it out within 24 48 hours
all the officers have to accept it and
then that change is known to the
officers so it's just something a little
bit of course all these things are
important to the whole makeup of the
police department our system
so as assistant chief sieber said i was
on the
original body camera committee
and the uh at the time panasonic was
right up there as one of the leaders uh
the evolution of the technology and what
exxon's done
is
leaps and bounds and the ecosystem
they're creating
really creates a system where
it's going to be so much more efficient
and to your
point about the
video downloads and
such
one of the big
issues that we were concerned about at
the time
was the downloading in the servers and
the servers are very expensive so much
so that we actually tried to get some
money from the state
to to really deal with that issue and
now with being in the cloud and
unlimited we don't have to worry about
that so before it wasn't unlimited five
years ago we did all this it wasn't so
super expensive i'm not saying it's not
as cheap now but
five years ago it's been more it is
today so the prices actually dropped and
we actually anticipated dropping a
little more because they get more
efficient with the cloud um we wanted
the server unconsciously so because we
want to keep it all in-house and and
have control and not have to pay the
annual cost but now
there's so much out there from
overwhelming management standpoint to
kind of you know massage it all together
get it to the right place back it up on
the server we do spend money every year
upgrading our servers you know to add
more memory on it um so of course i'll
be terrified for upstairs
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i just want to sing that uh
it's working
good
so you say that you have a couple years
of money and so and you want to enter
into a five year with a possible five
year renewal so at this point in time
you're asking the council to
review this or uh or approve this
yeah
again we'd like to come back in two
weeks we're gonna
apologize it's gonna be here time but we're gonna kind of absorb this
because this is a big big lift and what
happens is um yes we have money that
some of the money we feel has already
been improved and i i say that um
because through some capital projects we did some funding for certain uh and our camera stuff better and our
cameras too um
other funding sources da's office we got some monies
from
seizure account whatever they gave us
last year
for our interview rooms and we have
those and i can explain this in two
weeks if we wish and kind of break it
down to wherever this money's coming
from
however it's just going forward after
that that right now we don't have the
money so just um
just trying to be transparent
i'm not like my kids my kid come on dad
come back next day one more
thank you mr mayor
just want to go back to the storage
component of this again uh going back
when the first providing cameras in
the business model from suppliers were
to
discount the hardware a little bit but
they encourage people to use their cloud
storage and
it's the nature of this where we're just
recording more video more audio
more evidence is going in it and so
the cost
went up dramatically a lot of
municipalities put body cameras in that
was a good idea it was all great when
they got hit with the actual storage
fees there was some sticker shot we
did that internally and managed it
again
i think fairly successful
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the business model is shifting now where
the cloud storage is becoming
cheaper and there's more vendors in the
market which keep
the overall cost down
it's one thing i like about this
is the long term
contract price
that
pretty much guarantees us what the
number is going to be
even though i will tell you today
no matter what the chief says or anybody
else and how much data that we're going
to have
going out two years three years five
years i just know that number's going to
be bigger than whatever we think today
it's just the nature of the business
whether it's policing whether it's
firefighting whether it's code
enforcement
it's the way computer technology is the
way the information is generated so that
gives us
a piece of mind in terms of
protecting our ability going forward
the other aspect of is the overall total
cost
i've gone over some of the
scenarios with chief clifford
there may be an option what exactly has
given us here is kind of a global price
for it
now
we may be able to pay
a little bit more up front
and then they would give us
greater discounts
in some of the outer years
do we use some of the aarp or the arpa
money at the aarp that's committed to
juan across the street
but there may be ways to get things so
that it's again financially stable going
forward
where again there's some things that
have been budgeted for this i want to
make sure in terms of sustainability
from the fiscal side that we're doing
things that are prudent and that are
being able to have reasonable
expectations in terms of the overall
budget assumptions that we're going to
have
going forward and i think some of this
will also improve the efficiency of the
officers in the field which there's
a savings on that even though sitting
here today you can't say is that a
thousand dollars is it a hundred
thousand dollars there will be uh
efficiencies that we will get from the
implementation of this platform
and that's why
look at this for two weeks and you know
as you go through it you may have ideas
saying well
if we pay more for this up here do we
lay the payment do we
do that that's what part of the
discussion we want
and one of the things that they're
striking on is is the efficiencies of
the officer after every call they have
to what they call tag or videos and they
have so there's time consumptions here
by having all one product um the the
idea is it pre-populates a lot of the
information not all there's still like
five different tag categories after tag
but it probably cuts down the efficiency
would be you know just say
five minutes of call i'm not sure how
long you know but i'm just putting the
number out there but you know per call
980 000 calls there's some you know
there's some uh efficiency there yeah
again yes it's going to be front loaded
with funding um if you want and then
it'd be a cheap residence hold on i also
want to add that to have ourselves for
uh i'll be lobbying uh from budget time
but uh
one of the big things that as we
prepared our budget this year and and is
the licensing fees and the agreements uh
maintenance fees are just
going up and up and up you know
you basically raise technology but they
are going up so if we can lock in
something at least since the normal
knowing the price
you know
ten years
well it knows for me if there are any
other comments or questions uh having
the opportunity to deep dive for this i
absolutely appreciate having chief
clifford here in another two weeks i
think it's a no-brainer that this is as
mrs comey highlighted just like years
ahead of where we currently are so i
look forward to um how this looks in
practicality here in the city um so
thank you and if you wish i don't want
to offer them up but i did talk to chief
about that if you look like somebody
from account here two weeks also that
i'm sure they'd be willing to come out
and just talk again about it
as long as i don't get tased
any questions
do i have anything else on youtube but
um
all right thank you
for two weeks thank you very much
and the last item will be
um
request state legislation for
enforcement of traffic control
violations on mr comey
so first of all i need to uh thank mr
coleman for his invaluable uh help and
expertise in putting this together
i really do appreciate it so thank you
very much
so hormonal legislation is something
that's necessary for
municipalities such as ourselves to use
some of the technologies that can be now
used to enforce some of the speeding
as well as noise violations
in municipalities
it's kind of an antiquated system in
some ways
we know better than the state how we
need to patrol and enforce some of the
issues we have in our community and this
asks for the state to expand
the home rule law to
allow us to implement these enforcement
tools and at the very least if they're
not going to do that allow us to do a
demonstration program
which would allow us to do it as a pilot
and show that this actually works
any questions or comments
so this um
with this could be a stupid question but does
this um
help us
get rid of home rule in a broader sense
or is it just specific to what we have
because we talked about that a few weeks
ago
at one of these meetings
potentially would expand
the home rule aspect to
mr coleman correct me if i go wrong here
of some of the enforcement tools for
like speeding and noise so it would
expand that aspect of the law
any other questions or comments
yes yes so are there like really
specifics that we're looking at i know
you you said including but not limited
to so
um i just like to know like specifically
what we would be asking for in this case
it's right here where
uh
section 10 of the new york state
municipal home rule law where it
pertains to cities towns and villages to
implement these enforcement tools
such as speed cameras red lights and
sound meters
and
that's what we're looking for
okay so
section 10 but everything's not listed
here
it would so if i looked in section 10 i
would find exactly everything it's
referring to
yeah okay
demonstration programs have been
permitted under state law so essentially
they have a demonstration program there
has to be special legislation at the
state um to do that and they they've
done it the state has allowed it in
certain municipalities the problem with
the demonstration programs is just my
opinion obviously is that there's a
sunset provision in for those programs
so
if it's a five-year program
unless the state takes action to extend
it
eventually it ends it's just a
demonstration program
so it doesn't go on you know for years
and years and years
new york city is a little different
because they do have
speed cameras and generally they've been
doing it in school zones
right where people obviously exceed the
speed limit obviously there's you know
public safety issues especially with
children being around families
um
my understanding from the way mr palawan
spoke with me about it this would be a
bit more expansive
in terms of obviously the red light
cameras but also
speed cameras not just around schools
but just in our city streets
again we need special legislation either
way here really to either amend homeless
law to disallow municipalities to
implement these
devices or very specific in creating a
demonstration program and vehicle and
traffic law for the city it would be
city specific it wouldn't be for
everyone
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thank you um i i think you know just in
speaking to
you know and receiving comments from i
mean we need to stand up and do
something about the noise and speeding
and safety in the city so i commend john
for putting this together thank you
i feel the same way i mean i think that
we've been
trying to think about all these
different traffic bombing
kinds of measures um i had to get that
in
my new language that i just learned in
the process of
speaking to residents and doing some
research around the speeding issue um i
think that it's just been
such a prevalent concern of so many
residents um people coming to council to
talk to us people emailing us calling us
uh you know
to talk about what are we going to do
about these traffic issues um that i
definitely fully support this and thank
you for putting it together for us
nice perfect and is what does the cost
associated with this uh do we know that
man
we're possibly asking for homework
in the red light cameras we don't
currently have them that's in the next
aspect
in finance committee that's in the next
we can't really do anything without this
piece
so if i'm hearing correctly we need to
approve
making a demonstration and then the next
committee
you identify the costs associated with
it no i'm asked we need the
legislation piece passed regardless
the cost aspect is if you read the
aspect in terms of the noise violation
under the finance committee asked for
costs to be associated in four
weeks
just because we get asked for and even
if we get home rule legislation changed
doesn't mean we have to do it
great no i remember that in the estimate
um i think continuing on with ms
porterfield's comment of enforcement
which you mentioned um how would
this specifically lower
as ms patrick mentioned ticketing
but would there be a
staffing expectation from the police to
help facilitate this
these are typically done automatically
with the technology and sent out a
ticket and people get a moment that's
typically how it's done
just to touch base on that question
council person waves
so
my understanding is with red light
cameras and with speed cameras a ticket
would be issued not to the driver but to
the registered owner of the vehicle
generally it's not considered a moving
violation because you're not actually
catching
the driver in the act you're catching
the registered owner who's apparently
allowed somebody to drive
that's my understanding of it
i know maybe somebody may have gotten
caught in
by a by a speed camera at some point in
um in time
but it wouldn't have been points it
would be just defined
you know the camera's there the camera
catches
you know the vehicle in motion registers
let's say it's a speed camera registers
to speed the vehicles going catches
you know a photo of the license plate
and then they run the license plate and
essentially issue the ticket against the
registered owner
any other questions or comments and so
all the sorry
and all the fines any fines that we
collect this this is a city that we
collect fines the money comes to us it
would be the same as it would be with
other um violations like that yes
ticket and assuming the state
legislature adopted that
as they have with others
sometimes our friends in albany
they saw a revenue source might
take a little bit for themselves
that's possible
perhaps
any other questions or comments so are
we talking i'm sorry so we're talking
about actually the demonstration project
or or the actual asking for the home
rule
or asking yourself
if they don't do that
all the things so you're asking both at
all at the same time so you're asking if
they would
do the home rule and if not to do
demonstrations at the very least the
demonstration project got it
thank you
so i'll move it
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okay all in favor aye all right
any other
business to fall before public safety
committee
if there is not like a motion to adjourn
second policy
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so the first item for the finance
committee is the purchase of the 2022
chevy taco command vehicle with chief
marine
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not complicated
uh okay so we have a capital project
executing right now so it's for four
vehicles that we
were
earlier year
and everything's going fine one of the
vehicles the option package
uh
change
so for all four of them we were using
what's called the back package
another department purchased other this
relative state contract it's just that
we can use that language to purchase
our form
then there was an option
changed in one of the cavals
and the purchasing agent said that the
piggyback language would not fit that
because of that he advised us to put it
out for a bit which we did
the result was a 1600
increase for that towel
at least on the surface
that
all comes
with
the lights already on them if
the lights didn't come on we would have
to send it out
and the sixteen hundred dollars pretty
much what that was
so
it's because we have put it out for a
bit that i have to come to you and ask
for your approval
there's really not
any change although i said it was 1600
are there any questions
all
right i'll second how it was a favorite
all right thank you thank you
next is propose arthur allocations with
man
thank you mr chairman uh
it's amazing for the council's
confederation and discussion as we're
going through the budget process some of
these projects
i have to have
some decision by the council so i know
how much
money we have or don't have
for
some of these things going forward
the bigger ones you know talk about the
city swimming pool
that
moving ahead to the design
there's going to be additional expenses
depending on what we do with the
additional site work with the parking
lot
lighting pathways going over to music
haven
diamond
and
some of the ancillary work
there are
lists that
attach
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once again we're at jerry burrell park
looking at
the projects within the golf course
uh
the
vacant house
rehab program we're going to do
round of foreclosures starting
next month we're starting this one
hopefully by the end of this month yes
the paperwork
you know ron gardner has a robust plan
in place for 818
albany street to fix that up uh we're
doing some of the
in other training organizations some of
the building trades
to move that forward and some of this
money we want to be able to take some of
the houses that we're going to take on
foreclosure and
be able to rehab them using some of that
workforce
and there's also
one from
bcni
for their owner occupied home repair and
rehabilitation program
they had submitted that some of that i
would like to maybe have been able to
start that a little bit earlier this
year but
we're here now and so i'm asking
council for uh consideration on this and
consider these numbers discussion points
where
their references were
could live with these
be terribly difficult if you cut them
gave me a little bit more it would be
easier
but
want to have things that we can move
forward
for this year's budget and then
also
know how much money is available out of
the first round of funding
because then we have other groups who
have submitted plans and scenarios
which because of the timing
may or may not still be applicable
this year and some of those budget
assumptions may have changed
so then you have to then go from this
into
review and start thinking the
allocations of that second round of
funding which we have received
are there any questions
um so on the projects uh
i'm gonna specifically ask about the
golf course
project so there still would be um a
need for more money
um after this
what's the plan for is that would that
perhaps be part of the second
um 26
or
again i think that
the
there's a
couple factors in that
where
i look at our recreation programs we're
putting money
in the a diamond we're doing things in
the tennis courts the music pavement the
golf course again it's trying to create
something for everybody
our watering system today is extremely
inefficient
that old system and some of the
staff from the golf course have been
there talked about just turn it on let
it go
the numbers there are
i will call a good ballpark
with the way bits have been going out
and coming in i can't guarantee that
number
the 3.5 it's mr long here
so i'm looking to take the temperature
of the city council you know what's your
level of interest in it and again
matching this up of what we might be
able to do this year
versus next year
some of these what would we be able to
get
out of funding from revenue from the
golf course or some of these other
housing projects what money we have in
other areas and
it's just that we have to start the
process and start moving forward
yes my uh
questions
related to that um you know it seems to
me it would make
for me it would make more sense to
fund the projects
these are
projects that
help everybody in the city they're also
revenue generating projects they're
going to make
various neighborhoods better with some
of the
housing aspects
so
i mean
that's kind of where i'm at with this
i would say for me i think we've made
considerations to date i think
referencing the most recent one which
was funding the school program over the
summer which i imagine was a success
i think i'd want to make sure equal
considerations were made to all the
projects i definitely know there were a
number of other
interest items throughout the city that
i'd like to make sure
we're given equal considerations and it
does not mean that i do not equally
value the golf course even though i'm
not an avid golfer i think looking at
the
magnitude and proportion of what the
central park pool which is already in
process if i'm
speaking incorrectly it garners a
significant amount of what's left
so i think wanting to make sure i was
considered of the time of the people
that were
investing in the review process making
sure that we were not giving second or
after thought considerations to some of
the other items that still
were submitted to receive coming from
this first pool
and
i think for me i do not think it's a
position that i'm willing to take of
we'll try again the next round because
we've been intentional letting people
know this pot of money is not there is
no next time so i think people want to
make sure that the items that they put
forward the items that they voted for
the items that they localized for
are
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are given those intentional uh
thinking points so for me i think it's
waiting the two weeks or being able to
see all the projects collectively and
then making a termination
anyone else
yeah and like with the housing um so we
you know we all had the committee to
communicate the recommendations etc so i
see that we have um some money here for
housing but
the there were multiple um applications
submitted for housing so it to me it
makes sense to look at them collectively
as opposed to funding these two
particular ones and then the other
housing things being separate and apart
um and at this point in time we're down
to like two million dollars out of the
original that's a little bit less than
that based on this so
i think that we should look collectively
at the housing and at all of them um
to see the other applications that were
pronounced and i after people saw the
agenda i did receive emails
uh and had conversations that um people
were like wondering like so you know
when women when are the other things
that are beyond what the city is
requesting um going to be looked at so i
understand we've already made the
commitment for the central park pool
and we should you know to move forward
with that but i think that you know we
should be looking at the collective
applications what our what the city
development planning has suggested and
said that we should fund and they've
also said in addition to that not only will they have to look at
what they want to fund but they also
have to look at where those
organizations are at this point in time
in terms of their funding some have
already gotten into additional funding
that's that's an absolute so i think all
of that needs to be taken into
consideration in a collective way so as
you know as a because right now we've
been basically kind of piecemealing it
out and so i think we do need to look at
this um to big picture and as i said the
park is already done and you know let's
move forward but there are other there
are other items that um
that are
have been
requested funding i think we should be
taking a look at in the two weeks when i
did speak to the mayor about it he did
say in two weeks the other projects
would um other things would come forward
so if we could hold everything um
acceptable which we already approved in
a resolution quite a few months ago then
and just look big picture all of it i
think it just makes
it makes sense
it's patrick i don't think that we
actually did approve the pool a few
months ago i'd have to go back and look
i think what we approved was the money
to
um
do the design through the
study okay but we have not we have not
approved this we haven't gone out for
final bids and again that pull and then
question my mind above the
four and a half million dollars that
we're carrying so much money so you
think it's going to be even higher than
this
is that what you said maybe in the
five and a half for six million dollar
range again depending on the parking lot
the walkway some of the lighting the
other ancillary improvements that will
be made there along with some of the
upgrades
i want to put some
stadium seating at the tennis courts
because we're taking the old tennis
stadium down but to protect those courts
where we have a high level of
utilization now and u.s tennis
association and
just city residents
so the 450 that we approved was just for
the design is that a part of this number
it's
not this is that tablet it's a part of
the number
it's delineated on the other page but
it's that time the
what will be the final request
to fund the pool
and i thought that we approved because i
know they're already tearing stuff down
with them
right that's site work is part of the
design
so i just want to also again point out
that i agree that the costs are just
going to continue to rise if we had been
able to do the irrigation system when we
first started talking about it which was
at least two and a half years ago i mean
actually predates my time on council but
i know that we've been talking about it
for the two and a half years that i've
been on council it started i think at
like a couple of million um and now you
can see that this is um 3.5 million um
so
you know i think along with all these
other things the jerry burrell project i
mean personally i just think we should
be trying to finish that project
um i think that it's um
you know it's a very it's an essential
park it's in a neighborhood that
definitely um you know we know that
folks want these things to happen in
that park
so i hear what you're saying
but you know i think we have to start
making some decisions
um
i am glad to hear that perhaps we're
going to hear about the rest of the
projects in a couple of weeks because i
think that process happened
in march or april um so it will be kind
of good to be able to hear and see you
know what the other projects are
um but we still then are going to have
to do a decision making process
around whether we are going to even um
think about the recommendations
further so you know it's august
um you know i just feel like we're
we've been dragging our feet for months
on this that's just my personal opinion
um and it's frustrating
i think it's frustrating to folks out
there as well because i think we're all
getting
calls and emails about you know
what's happening with the article
funding
so i'm just and i want to be clear some
of these once i'm focused on this first
round of discussion tonight
is
they will have a direct impact on
what goes into the proposed 2023 budget
and i know like the council i think that
just one swoop through and i give you
the budget
there are
two three four times budgets are
reviewed internally going over the
different scenarios so that when
it comes to council again it's a well
thought out document that again
hopefully reflects
stability in the city and sustainability
going forward but i'm going to need to
know
some of these projects and whether the
council's inclined to move ahead with
them or not move ahead with them
and what i'm going to have to do when i
submit the budget to you in october
and where you think that's
down the road quite a ways it's not from
the internal review and some of the
assumptions so like you don't fund some
of these he said no we're not doing
housing rehab or another one and i've
got to
look at other assumptions for potential
revenue or expenses or just our
overall ability to undertake some of
these projects
this is claire
thank you
um so
i'd advocate
first for city projects
with a
one-time warm-up of
we're never going to get it again
there's things that we need to address
here in the city um let's put this list
together and and and
i would tend to go along and advocate
for him
with him
how to spend this money as far as the
golf course no one has to be an epic
golfer even though i am
um
but you can't imagine the revenue and
we'll get you up there mr williams
the revenue that comes back into our
city
who come who comes to golf it's one one
of our gems here alongside central park
the water that we produce here in
schenectady um the golf course people
come to our community for that um so i i
would allocate uh advocate for
the projects that the the mayor has put
before us um yesterday last evening i
will say i volunteered at music haven
and um gosh when i got there there was
laughter and joy in the pool
um people people had barbecues going
they had balloons up they had uh
birthday parties stuff the park was
alive i mean it was uh baseball on the a
diamond baseball on over by the dump
pond it was just and the music came in
it was just you know
something we need to be proud of so
again
and just on that irrigation system our
largest
consumption of electricity is
used or is done by the pumps at the
wellhead on rice road
so again today we use a lot of water to
irrigate that
and i'm looking for ways to reduce that
to make it more efficient and
we'll end up saving on our electric bill
also other places
um
i think it's worth noting that the
continuing narrative that the council's
slow reaction or not acting i think is
giving a wrong perception of what we're
doing here and i think again the most
recent monies that we allocated was for
the summer program which i was
initially opposed to for the same
reasons of wanting to make sure we gave
time and consideration of people's uh
schedules and changing those to review
these projects but understanding that we
were in a time sensitive situation and
we needed to make sure that we were
considered of the kids over the summer i
understood that i think it's important
to make sure we're not rushing two
decisions just for the sake of time and
i know that we are put in a situation
due to just some of the extended
timelines from the review process but we
are so close some of my questions are
why are we not reviewing the collective
projects tonight i think is a fair
question but for me right now
i think it's wanted to
make sure that we are not spending
three quarters of the remaining budget
from the first allotment
again without looking at the collective
projects so i think it's making sure
that we're focusing on the true timeline
which is when monies need to be
allocated and spent and we are nowhere
near there yet and i think although we
are feeling pressure from the community
part of the reason of being public
advocates is making sure that we can
read between those lines and understand
when
and when not to react
this is part of you and i just wanted to
um to provide some additional
information um we talked about jerry
barrell park so that went out to bid and
no one came back with bids so we got a
little bit more time it has to go out to
bid again because no one submitted a bid
on that particular project
um so and also i know that um one of the
like bc and i just also got some
additional money themselves so that
might be covering some of the faucets
what we're looking at here so again i
say that we should be looking at other
monies that other people have already
received or if they're looking at their project and say
we can no longer do it because it took
so long and there's some smaller
projects
that are asking not like for significant
amounts of money that we
you know
would
could be looking at and and funding and
that still provide a service to people
from all over the city
so i i think that you know it it it
warrants us looking at
the big picture
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so if i understand
that there's some intentionality about
why we
brought the items
um for today is because
of some planning that needs to happen
around what we can
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so i guess i will just go around and ask
where people are on this and see
what we have
in
terms of support
over there miss patrick
i would support this stick harley
i'm asked to have some questions about
it
so
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i have some questions around around the
timeline so let me uh give me a minute
to kind of think about that sure
mr williams
and this girl would still be polished or
escorting our community correct but it's understanding
more people hearing what we have to say
yeah it's poor feel
so i'm you know comfortable in central
park we're already moving ahead we
already know that project's going to
move um i could even support the golf
course however i think we really should
be
like i said this one project has went
out to bid we got no bids on it there's
uh other folks who are involved with
some of the other projects where um
where they got additional money and in
addition to that there's other housing
projects that were submitted that i feel
should have the opportunity to be looked
at at the same time
and we're spending we're really spending
down um and again there's a collective
of some of the smaller projects that
weren't just looking at them so i could
not
fully support this there are some of it
that i could support but not fully
um
so the the guideline to spend this money
it's like 20 24
harp of money right 2024. so um
and i i don't think that
um
we should wait um
i think we should
move forward
and spend the money i don't think
there's any need to wait
a year and a half before we give someone
money
and then decide you know spend it before
we lose it
i like miss porterfield's
notation there about there's certain
projects she would like to and certain
ones that she wouldn't thank you
for that being said though i am in support
of
this agenda here okay are you ready or
you want me to go yeah go ahead um
i'm in support of it i
think we have
a one-time
situation
and
allows us as a city to use money for
various projects big projects
that we don't need to borrow that we
don't need to
use reserves for
i think that's a big deal so we don't
have to con
tax considerations
with these
in particular some of these are revenue
generating projects
uh i just think
we're not even hacked he wasn't even
asking
for the entire amount so there is room
for leveraging that money with
either various maneuvers financially or
with some other projects
and that allows us to
move forward and get things going before
costs go up even more
mr carl
so
what i'm hearing here is that we're
right now trying to kind of understand
you know kind of checking that the the
post of the council as to where we're
supporting on these projects and so i
want to say that um you know i i support this i think that um we want
to
make sure that we're
you know moving you know
in a way that is efficient and effective
my largest i guess concern would be what
is the cost of the lane right so that's
really so when i say um
and that you know i was trying to take
time to think i was thinking that was
the question i was trying to kind of
remain in your head like is there a cost
associated um
with um waiting until we kind of are
looking at everything in the totality
and uh so that is the kind of the piece
of information that um
i don't know that
i'm clear on right now um if we're
talking about two weeks but um i i would
support those things
all right so there is
general consensus um
i will
even though i know i'll ask for a motion
to
move this
i won't move it there's not a second so
the motion fails
that being said is there
a
general support
i know miss porterfield spoke in favor
of it to
move the
central park and golf course irrigation
money
mr chairman yes again i
put these forward because of their
potential for significant budget impacts
going forward i don't mind holding this
for two weeks and looking at some of the
other factors and i
respectfully i disagree with mr williams
in terms of
the summer youth employment program that
was not a bright day in the history of
the city council in fact quite
embarrassed
that had the opportunity to take and
take use give them some of the jobs put
them to work and
really give them life experience and
give them some money and that wasn't
going to happen under the council's
scenario that you were working under so
you know i pushed that forward
again we're starting to see an uptick in
some of the part one primes in the city
where we have done very well in
comparison to other communities
these activities
why we've done better than other
communities is our housing program stuff
we're doing in code enforcement uh other
broader based engagement that creates
stability in the neighborhood and
displace some of the negative activities
and so where we have the ability to fix
up housing
do job and workforce creation
they're significant and
we're in august the reality is even if
everybody agreed on this tonight we
wouldn't be able to do most of these
until mid-september at best by the time
you get it passed get the
contract signed get things out
and
these things do have an impact
and we have to be cognizant of that
going forward so i don't mind waiting
uh
two weeks bringing forth the other
projects uh the other thing so that we
can look at it and discuss it
if you wanted
to do it tonight
i don't know
put it on the development staff or the
chief will send a police car to their
house having come back in
no i'm serious
let's stop this and if you want to do it
i expect the staff to be available to
make things happen here if you want to
wait two weeks we'll also do it but if
you want to do it tonight
i expect the staff to rise the occasion
to whatever we need to follow through on
mr williams
i think it's worth for stopping that
we're still
in the midst of a pandemic
and there are many facets of
lean times and manufacturing issues that
are outside of our control
and regardless of how fast we sprint
to
getting answers to the community
those efforts could be for not like we
don't know and that's just part of the
complexity with being a public servant
in 2022 we're very reactionary to how
the environment is shaping the
boundaries of our decision-making
abilities so
i
am
receptive to the mayor's comment but
again it's our hands are tied in certain
areas i think for me not looking past my
current tenure on the city council i
think it's important in me being
intentional that i would like to look at
all the projects collectively
it's patrick well so
i just want to say that
you know i'm just guessing
given our track record
that in two weeks we'll be presented
with materials
and i can pretty much think that
it's going to take some time to look
through those materials
um
so
i think that we won't be making a
decision in two weeks either it's just
basically
how i feel you may not make a blanket
decision in two weeks but if we could
start to chip away and prioritize say
okay we've got a consensus on
project a
let's move that forward project b and
then at some point we run out of money
it's the other side of it so what
projects have the biggest multiplier
have the biggest impact
on
the city budget in a positive way or
create jobs
across the board you know
we're not going to be able to give money
to everybody we all know that and
it's just part of the decision making
and
mr williams is correct with the pandemic
where some of these things that we would
like to have happen
tomorrow
even if we all agreed
are not going to happen because of other
factors that are in play within the
market in
just
global politics and supply chain
and i just want to clarify that every
single council member got the
drive to download all the applications
that were submitted um alex sent that
out and in addition mr palomini asked
for the recommendations from the
development and ms diaz sent that out so
we we already have that information we
could go home today and start looking at
that
to see that so um we would have an
opportunity to review it then so or and
we could also um ask that the mayor is
willing to call them back in today so we
could ask that the department of
development have everything to us within
a week so we have an opportunity for a
week ahead of time to be able to look at
that and not just not the thursday
before right so okay i misunderstood i
thought we were going to get a chance to
see what the committees yes
yeah the recommendations okay the
correct
i do not think that we have seen okay
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and miss michael can send that out to
you
oh you have that information
yes i sent you an email saying we got it
in yes
i thought you said okay so remember i
sent the email the same as you see here
yes so she has that and so you can send
it out to everyone
okay
well i will ask that be sent out that
probably should have been sent out
regardless
i don't know when it was received
but it should have been sent out in my
opinion at that time
but if you would please send that up
so everybody has a copy to be able to
look at them
yeah i don't know why it wasn't sent out
either i didn't we did receive that
email
last week oversight we'll send it out um
i thought that would be my my thought
was that we would get everybody's all
the recommendations sent to us all in
time the city of the department of
development including
they say there's other information about
like some things on the be aren't they
can't move forward because of the
funding and we do it all at once but if
you would like that separately sure
that's fine okay
yeah
she'll send it to the entire council
um i just i don't want to get
so caught up in my phone
it's important that we all have access
to the information so we can make
informed decisions i agree with that i
just think that you know we can play a
dangerous game like falling into kind of
like the
gotcha moment what should happen you
know and i just don't think that that
lends itself uh well for the work that
is ahead of us so i just want to be
clear about that and i also think that
um
you know
we all are
responding to
um i have a lot of trust in the mayor
and his team around you know
recommendations and
a lot of trust in the community
that was
community members that were assembled to
you know make sure that what we were
doing was representing their voices and
i don't think that those ideas are you
know opposing one another i think that
they um compliment each other and ensure
a more equitable process
and
i just want to make sure that we keep
our eye on that and as a priority um
right so
it looks
unless there's some correction
it looks like we will be two weeks
correct
all right
well then we will move on
next is amending the code for the
section 248-101-c
regarding redeeming of off-road vehicles
there is a public hearing on the 25th of
july
i don't believe there were any comments
for that
so we can look forward unless there's
any comments
hopefully
i have a motion
a
and next is fees for towing and storing
off-pro vehicles mr cole thank you um as
a side note before i present um the
information related to the speed these
speeds that i'm going to be discussing
tonight came from the police department
so this is not me making up any fees
this was provided provided by assistant
chief whipple
on august 8th so next week the city
council is going to be considering the
ordinance to amend section 248-101-c
of the code to set a towing and hauling
fee and storage charges of off-road
vehicles by resolution
currently the section of the code sets
the fee for at seventy dollars per tow
and haul and twenty dollars per day for
storage uh the city's seeking to set the
towing and hauling fee to 165 dollars
this is in line with the current uh tow
fee that we have uh for automobiles
the tow companies need to use a flatbed
truck to tow off-road vehicles
since they're less stable than
automobiles
when towed and the city is seeking to
set the storage fee at 40. per day
this increases due to the need for
inside storage of off-road vehicles
so the proposed increase in fees does
not have an administrative cost on the
city
this is the
amount that would be
set
to
cover this the towing costs that the
companies are charging essentially the
city
and then obviously the storage costs as
well
while there has been an increase in the
number of tickets issued and the
confiscation related to illegal off-road
vehicle usage
obviously this continues to be an issue
in the city
and then these increased towing and
storage fees are directly related to the
costs as i said so looking to pass out
of committee tonight
a legislative request for the full
council's consideration for a resolution
setting the fees at 165 um as the tone
hall fee and forty dollars per day
storage fee
are there any questions
have a motion
a
next is a discussion of noise violation
issues
as we all know that would be me
as we all know noise issues are one of
the biggest complaints
in the city
i think we all probably get those
complaints
so
how to deal with this situation is
complex right
and one way of going about it is to use
technology
we have some of that in place
with the smart cities technology
where we can use decibel meters or
sound measurement design devices i want
to
be clear these are not recording or
voice recording devices they are
strictly
decibel
levels
um because that is a concern
and a legitimate one
so
how can we use this technology to
help with some of the issues that we
have in the city
um you know i know in my neighborhood
there was
a music blasting
over a half mile away
we paste it out
and
you could hear it in my house with the
air conditioning
on the television on and the windows
closed
as if i was playing it loudly in my own
home
i'm not the only one that's in this
situation every single neighborhood has
these issues
so
how can we go about
addressing it
the technology lends itself to
help deal with some of these issues
it reduces
the
interaction which would largely be a
negative interaction with the police
department
and people who are violators
so that is one good aspect of
people
who
probably don't want to be told to turn
down the music
and
let's be honest sometimes
they are drinking and not always the
best situation to have a confrontation
technology would allow us to
alleviate that issue
we have the ability with our technology
but also supplementing it with
low power wide
area radio receivers
that could be integrated into our
network servers
this
could help to
this would allow us to triangulate and
figure out where the
noise violation is coming from
other cities
i think are using this
there is ability with
artificial intelligence to identify
sounds
there's a major project in new york city
i believe it's called sony where they
are
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identifying all the sounds and it allows
the artificial intelligence
to figure out is this
just a police siren or is it loud music
is it just somebody arguing whatever
now this was just a discussion item
to see if we could move forward at least
getting some cost estimates as to
how
expensive this would be
because quite frankly we need to do
something
enforcement is a major issue
and
the only other way i perceive being able
to do this
would be to hire a lot of police
officers which would be very expensive
and again
those interactions probably won't be the
most positive
um we could use the data that we collect
put it into a gis
system in order to
create an environmental noise assessment
that allows us to develop a soundscape
approach
and figure out where the real problems
are not that they're limited to one
particular area as i said before
they're all around the
every single neighborhood
so my recommendation would be
to ask the mayor and his team to
come up with some sort of cost estimate
in four weeks so that we could further
discuss whether or not this would be
something
we would like to pursue
there any questions yes
so
how would the police department i'm
assuming they would be somehow involved
in this and i didn't really um
i didn't really get that from your explanation so how would the
police department
be involved in this process in terms of
pulling this together for the time being
you could code the
software so that a violation whatever we
dictate what would be a violation right
now i'm just making up numbers let's say
it's a half hour of
a decibel of
let's say ninth again just making up
numbers
and there's 30 minutes of noise above 90
and it's identified not to be a mower or
something along those lines a message
goes directly to the police it's put
into the system because quite frankly a
lot of people have just given up on
calling the police because
a lot of times they don't show up
that doesn't correct the problem but at
least it is put into the system where
they can put it into our ddax system
the other aspect is that we are moving
towards a technology and if we get that
state
approval for the home rule
there is ability to
identify violators and have the ticket
sent right to the house at some point
down in the future the technology is
moving that way
in a rapid manner
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i guess my follow-up questions were the
police involved in all of your
in your opinions together have there's
been conversations
with with the police department
regarding that
we i mean the reality is the enforcement
aspect is the biggest problem we have
i know i did have a brief conversation
with the chief and he is
um
favorable of not having officers have to
deal with these type of situations
because of the interaction
but
he did not provide any
i guess meaningful
or any
substantive
comments or criticism
other than that
yes
so
when i think about noise complaints um
and you know a lot of different types of
noises music coming you know people in
the car
park davis and motorcycles
there's so many different i think about
like
how will this
uh
technology
impact that person's quality of life in
the moment
i guess like
so this is so really what replaced this
matters are you meaning the neighborhood
or the violator
like so if
the
people who came down to our meeting and
they you know they were really upset
about
them
having to call the police um and they
were saying that you know
our paraphrases but they weren't
satisfied with anything have been done
robot that's going to send a ticket to
my neighbor you know three days later or
something you know i don't know how that
you know
in in the moment
so
very very good question i actually
thought quite a bit about that myself so
two things uh so with the motorcycle the
cars there is ability with lprs to
identify the vehicle have a ticket sent
directly to those individuals
as far as let's say
i'm living next door to you and i'm
blasting music and it's two in the
morning and you're like what the heck
you know
the aspect of are you going to be
satisfied for like a better word
immediately the answer is no but the
only way to change this is behavioral
change
and unfortunately there's not a way to
positively impact young people to turn
down their music the only way would be
through a fine and to try to get
behavioral change that way so it's more
of a long-term play
but we
in my opinion we need to really do
something so that's an excellent
good point
oh you got one go ahead yeah i was just
i was wondering like you know i'm sure
this is you know kind of further down in
the conversation but is there because
anytime i think about like that uh yeah
i know that there's like you know
there's actually bias within those
systems it can be biased within those
systems so i just think about like you
know us again us being just being really
intentional that
whatever we're looking at that we keep
that um lens for us to say okay how are
we gonna ensure that this
you know isn't disproportionate negative
outcomes for a certain neighborhood um a
certain demographic of our city so
that's just something well the ai is
strictly determining what is the noise
um and
you know regardless of neighborhood
that's going to pop up so
i
think that's where the ai park plays and
it identifies music versus a lawnmower
versus
you know we're just out on the porch
talking um that kind of deal yeah
i can appreciate that i think that we
just would be
those are the questions that need to be
asked and maybe we just think about like
how do we you know set some um
some checkpoints you know with that
because i think that if we're not
intentional about
if we kind of just leave it to say like
the ai's i'm gonna respond to this
um you know like
i was looking at a a netflix special
because i'm really serious about where i
cite my information from um
but i remember they were talking about
the the bias uh that's happening racial
violence within an ayat system so i just
want to be careful because you know
there can be certain type of music that
can trigger something maybe different
and so i just it's just something that's
where where i totally
see where you can appreciate that mine
would be like a decibel level for a
certain amount of time i don't care what
kind of music it is if it's classical
country or rap
if it's at two in the morning and
i
just don't wanna hear it so i put your
points while taking
this tutorial
i run into it frequently in my
neighborhood um on the street behind me
on briarwood and i'm turning the music
down
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trust me when we talk the decibels get
up there
um so one o'clock in the morning
saturday and we started off at as a
little girl's birthday party and one
o'clock in the morning my daughter's
pulling me back into the house because
again
calling that you know even the
non-emergency 9-1-1 i know at one
o'clock in the morning there's no calls
going on in the in the city and by the
time they respond you know it might be
three four hours later although they
were still up my neighbors um but
they're music loud
but again i don't you know again
should we want to be cautious about
neighborhoods and where we're where
we're targeting but it's about the noise
and our friends on swan street i've been
there three times now different hours of
the night
earlier in the night a lot of undercover
work but anyway later at night or
whatever just to end the report the loud
music and and the code violations across
the street um with the with the with the
carts there 30 40 price chopper cards
you know so we need to take this all
into consideration no matter what
neighborhood what what is your
entitlement that you think you can play
loud music even at
two in the afternoon
but around two in the morning so i i
think
it's a plan
thank you
so all i'm asking is that the uh
maryland in four weeks
see if your staff could provide some
information first
but it might be good to
do a briefing for the council for some
of the things that we're
working on trying to put together in my
message to
staff and
as a whole
is trying to identify
high needs individuals in high needs
locations that drive our costs whether
it's policing
whether it's ems services whether it's
social services
whether it's resources within the school
district
and again it's this broad smart city
deployment that
has a lot of moving parts in it
we right now the acoustical sensors that
we have placed
for going through
and
trying to match up
events with known gunshots
as i stayed away from shot spotter a
shot spotter only will
use the information for
gunshots
you know it's very important you know
government people are firing a gun
even where somebody gets hit
but the reality in life is there are
other acoustical events that are
annoying or significant
an auto crash produces a significant
acoustical signature
again loud music
does that
i don't know if any of you had any
complaints on
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fireworks know it's unfortunate that
people
make bad choices in how do we do the
education and bring some stability but
to
again go through some of the things that
we are doing with emergency medical
services
with
the optical sensors
we're getting a huge amount of robust
data in terms
of
not only vehicle counts which is
important in terms of managing
traffic flow and planning out the timing
but
the speed of those vehicles
and so
we've never had all this information
before we just had it isolated so now
it's to be able to put it together
in a
city-wide more of a dynamic model and
then allocate the resources
not necessarily on who is complaining
the laws but who is actually being
adversely affected the most
so
might be on mr williams street that he
thinks everything is terrible but then
mr farley actually has the higher stats
on his street
and it's how do you match that up so
that we can again
message that so that we're we want
people to just
do the right thing
and how do you
get that out and you know it seems like
a simple goal and objective
but people make bad choices and so
maybe that
whether we do it as a separate meeting
or
is a
break off of the council meeting could
you know full briefing would uh could
easily go a couple of hours
so what the council wants if you want it
broken down into segments or you want to
do it one evening or afternoon
so that you may have a better
understanding of things that we're doing
in the evolutionary nature of all the
data that we're collecting
and
this presentation tonight by chief
sieber
is
one of those components how do you
manage all this information how do you
manage the body cameras how do you
manage the in-car video how do you
manage the evidence
and
some of this coming in from the
acoustical sensors or optical sensors in
the city we wanted to be able to
integrate into this platform so that it
becomes usable information that whether
it's the police department fire
department code enforcement
city council can look at it when you're
formulating policy
they're assigning police officers to a
zone or a particular problem so i look
forward to following up on that
you know
maybe a two-step process to give you
more of the information that we're
working on and then be able to take this
to the next step
so mayor if you were going to do that
presentation which i i would welcome to
know where we are with smart city
technology and what we're doing with
that i haven't heard about that in a
little bit so would that be open also to
the public because obviously this is a
major concern that they have as well so
yeah generally yes okay so in that case
i would say it would be a separate
meaning just focus specifically on that
mr ryan
mr williams so i'd say for me i don't
necessarily think we need to have like
technology or some like expansive
satellite to find out that you were like
in communities that would tell you it's
joe in the red house every day from 9 to
11 he's blasting music i think it is
apparent
where the issues are emanating from i
think
listening to this
uh
solution i think there are two separate
issues of music that's
being transported vehicles and then
music that is in your households and i i
agree that if there's any option where
we can evaluate just how to make it a
better living environment for residents
we need to
you remember citizen action has the
ability to allow people to interact with
the police department and correct me
from round trip secret uh acc but i
think evaluating how we can exploit
those services which we are going to pay
a significant fee for
to see how we can utilize that in
comparison with what mayor mccarthy is
saying collectively with not adding
another platform to an already uh
data cumbersome area so i think for me
it's wanting to make sure we're not
shifting the resources and
city staff time to solve seasonal issues
if you're driving a harley
flaring down the road during the winter
power to you well i think
parties can
occur throughout the year and i want to
make sure that any policies we're
pushing forward for
reducing those instances that i've
recognized have been coming to our realm
multiple times
citing the woman that came last week mr
proudly so i would i would agree on and
say that you know the first
part of enforcement should really be
engagement right so we i that's uh to
support the field point of having the
community
open to the community let them come in
and ask questions but the last thing
they want me to do is try to explain
something technical to them um you know
in a way that
they'll be able to comprehend but i
really think that
if we engage the community um and that
also i i don't want to replace
that importance of just kind of those
natural organic conversations that
happen and should happen among neighbors
and then you know
this you know we'll be dealing with more
of the outliers
well i would say that these are not
seasonal issues um to your point the
community largely knows
whether or not music or noise is too
loud or not and knows whether or not
they are
i don't know what the right word is i'll
say behaving that's not a good term but
i think you understand what i'm getting
at
in terms of respecting
their neighborhood and their neighbors
this
quite frankly
we need to do something and
it's not always the same individuals it
oftentimes is but not always
and quite frankly there is
an increasing problem
with the noise
so
i think it's worth investigating and uh
i agree with miss porterfield i would
want this discussion to be public
and
have people have the ability to hear
what we have as
in terms of smart city
ability to address this issue but i also
like this to be
narrowed down to these particular issues
because smart cities is a radical
and
so if we can confine them to yes overall
briefing but largely addressing these
issues that would be appreciated
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the meeting's already lost
because it comes up routinely since we
have a lot of people tuning in i think a
lot of people try to discredit our
police department and say that the
response times are due to them not
carrying and i think that is important
that we
say that that is not the case i think
when you look at calls as they come in waves and bunches unfortunately these
types of issues are placed uh
lower where they need to respond to
other situations um i definitely would
like to to say that our police
department is actively working with what
they have i think looking at means to
better support them is within our
measure
these are certainly priority three calls
but important nonetheless
all right so can i have a motion to
adjourn finance
i'll second we are a jerk
we have one item on the agenda and that
is amending the signing ordinance or a
reminder and uh that's going to be by
president of
president
um just a reminder this you know that
there's going to be a public hearing
this coming monday regarding the
residency requirements whether we should
be expanding those to the county in
order to um
to increase our workforce
so thank you
questions
thoughts
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okay
motion to adjourn
all those in favor
i'd like to call health and recreation
to order we have one item on the agenda
and that has to do with the music
event that's coming up and so i'll turn
this over to
this board again thank you
so um we received um office i'm sure
received an email from ms gold regarding
the summer of seoul which is going to
happen on august 20th and there was
actually a resolution that was given by
the um
the senate i believe yes the u.s senate
and so she thought it would be a great
idea for us to do something locally i
agree with that so i'd like to us to be
able to present a resolution at that
event from the city council
um so
is that happening
so i need um well we can make addition
to that i got tom
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to adjourn this committee
okay all in favor aye aye thank you i'd like to reconvene city
development and planning um so now we
have eight items left and the first item
would be the remediation of city
property mr lafon
the legislative request you have in
front each night is to move forward with
grammy national city property which is
foster avenue it is the
storage facility that we have to
clean up for dec
we've been using it for years and
we store our dirt there spoils from
water breaks and everything else and
which is going to be an eyesore and we
received two bids one of the most
responsible bidders with cargo
associates for 190
197 145 dollars
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so mr lafon if i remember correctly this
came before us
several weeks ago
um
with a much higher bid
we modified some things where we use
most of the material on site
um
the bidders had questions they went out
to bid again
um we extended it a couple times to
answer questions and to try and get the
best price
and the one bit still came in at roughly
581 000
and
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that's correct
is there any reason that there was such
a huge difference i think the reason for
this was what they were going to
move off site what we did we have a
alternate now to move offline 250. so
they were putting everything as a lump
sum um the first time
with the assumption that
x number of yards is going to have to be
moved and transported across we're going
to do some
work right there where some of the what
we call huge minus will be used on site
to grade and fill and put a burn
difference we saved some months okay mr
toro and i thank you for looking out for
the cost of the city thank you
absolutely good deal
any other questions comments
that seems like a
quite a significant savings
just by you know reframing things so i
appreciate that
something motion i'll move it second all
those in favor aye
thank you very much
uh the next item on the agenda is
authorize the issuance of revocable
print number 672 to moisture reality llc
for assigning
that will cover the cities right away at
140 clinton street mr waller
good evening this is a local permit for
an awning and a sign
overhanging the right-of-way on clinton
street uh the building is currently
under construction renovations uh it has
seen several tenants it's adjacent to
the lads a lot there are some awnings on
the last lot but that is not the city's
right way but they are represented in
um
the awnings are made of a metal frame
with a tin
they're a little bit different than what
we typically have which is
some kind of a canvas these are a little
bit more of a harder metal
but uh still they could be revolved if
needed they are
um temporary almost in nature so it
falls under this permit and there was no
objection by planning
so
this is just kind of an inquiry was this
does this used to be moisture salon
is it the same person
i don't i don't know about actually okay
yeah so vance arianna wants the moisture
salon on it's own that's not very very
this is so something right he's opening
a deli
so it must be the llc that he has there
okay as far as the awnings were
concerned i did recommend to him not to
go with canvas
because icicles not fall
um anything canvas the icicles go right
through the building so okay yeah
something a little heavier yeah
i'm sorry
yeah
moisture real teeth right
the moisture so long okay okay i'll move
in
a second all those in favor aye aye
all right the next item is to authorize
the mayor or is his destiny to enter to
a supplemental agreement from new york
state department of transportation for
the construction of the branding white
avenue
safety improvement
mr well yes two weeks ago i was here and
we went to authorize uh brandon avenue
and industries for a base fit i took
that information uh brought it to the
dot and the dot took that bit and put
that information into a supplemental
agreement between us and the state that
is for the federal aid
as you see this is a schedule a here
of the project the base bid was 1.7
million
we were able to increase our federal aid
it was originally around 1.2 we were
able to get an additional 300 000 of
federal aid
allocated to it
and so now we have a total of
1.53 million dollars
right here
and uh and the total cost is one seven
so there will be a city share on the
project the city shares anticipated
around three hundred thousand we're
going to use our state chips money to
cover that is an eligible expense that we had
enough to do that so it was almost like
50 50 split with the state for the cost
overruns i see this as becoming
something in the future on some of these
federal projects because
inflation and cost increases are just
are high so we're going to have to put a
little bit in but at the end of the day
we're getting 1.5 million dollars which
is
great
any questions
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next item on the agenda is discussion of
the hosting quarterly city council
meetings outside of city hall follow up
mr williams
thank you so i'm excited to state that i
feel confident this is our second to
last meeting to discuss this before we
finalize any details i told you i'd get
some information about the topic
and i gathered the following i think
prioritizing the last week of september 26th the 30th uh provides
enough opportunity for people in the
city to return back to their vacations
and then uh i've deconflicted so far i
prefer a tuesday but i'm still
finalizing those details to make sure
that there are no events that we are
conflicting against
um i've got a tentative confirmation
from shane garvey or barbie at the boys
and girls club i put a message out to uh
superintendent zolair unfortunately i've
not heard back from him however shane
was able to state that open stage media
was able to come by and assess their space to come to confirm that they
were able to stream our town hall meeting
additionally i've also
changed the narrative i think that was a
point of contention to make sure we
weren't promoting or inadvertently
taking a stance prior to these
discussions with the community so i
think housing crisis accurately
categorizes what we're trying to hear
from the community
with that
in agreement with getting with mr
coleman and making sure that that
narrative
is captured within the announcement or
press release i think come the next
meeting i can have firm dates from
either from both the boys and girls club
and the
high school
and then i'm leaning against having a
public speaker just due to the
anticipated volume of not wanting to be
a town hall meeting for an extended
period of time i think two hours is
sufficient to kind of gauge how this
process is going to go i think continue
on with our current format of three
minutes per speaker asking people to
send in uh written statements if they so
choose but allowing people to just speak
their truths and step down to allow time
for the rest of people to speak
some of the other logistical items such
as moving our tables having a podium
that's i think a smaller detail but what
i'm asking is just seeing how everyone
feels about those items that way next
meeting it is just voting for whether
you'd like to host it at the voiceless
club or at the high school
i'm open to any questions
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the last time we discussed this you were
going to send out
to everybody on the council as to our
availability so before you finalize the
date if you would do that please
absolutely mr toro i love the housing
crisis issue since a lot of people are
facing
homelessness and things so i i do like
that do you have a preference i mean as
far as transportation or people in
neighborhoods whether it's the school or
the boys and girls club have you thought
about that at all
would be easier for
you know people to get there
yeah i was using it as a dual purpose
opportunity to showcase this resource
that exists in our community i think
still a lot of people don't know that
there's this huge facility that's in our
backyards
i think absolutely on my part i was
going to try and coordinate
transportation to see if people could
carpool and just bringing yourself is
not
bringing your neighbor or bringing uh
someone you know but then also not
physically feeling like you have to be
there i think that's why prioritizing
sending females
and also people being carriers to others
so i think it's very much embracing a
community push to make sure if you're
working and you can't attend if you're
out of town you can't attend making sure
people are collectively gathering
thoughts and bring those
good thank you
yes that's patrick so you said no
speakers um you just want to take input
from the community you don't want to
have any
representatives from any groups um
basically make brief presentations
you're just looking down like an open
mic with us just listening and not
speaking ourselves right
i think if we had booths for people to
serve as uh
resource pods i think that's more
appropriate rather than having them take
up some of the precious times is just
after our meeting on monday so
definitely starting off the week i think
it's going to be
draining to an extent
so i think being just more intentional
with
trying to gather efficiencies i mean
absolutely having people either come
early or stably
and then also having
us being sensors and pushing out that
throughout our uh
social pools
oh i don't raise my hand
um so and i thought the other thing that
we should also do is uh have some
information from the various
you know to to have if people can't come
but the various um
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organizations that provide housing
provide support for housing
um to have them there and uh
additionally um i was at a meeting
regarding housing with an another entity and there's um
there's assistant attorney general who
is kind of looking at this this as well
so um i'll be reaching out to her if and
if she's open to it perhaps you could
just send some information regarding
that or and i know you want a public
speaker but that might be a person who
does it statewide and maybe somebody
that could come
so um you know i would offer that but if
that's not something we want to to move
towards
um we don't have to but i would
definitely still get information from
that
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so i just want to say that you know we
started on
you know this conversation
was around um housing stabilization
which was definitely under the umbrella
of the housing crisis i want to make
sure that none of that is lost
in the conversation i don't want to cast
such a wide net that we um don't allow
people to speak onto
what has
initially um started
to discuss at this table
i i think that we would that first of
all we won't be able to um like uh
censor people's comments so
when we talk about that
um you know unless they swear but um
when they talk about that you know i
think they're going to bring whatever
their issue is regarding around housing
and so when you can't pay your rent
that's crisis
so um i think that we would definitely
be able to be open to all of that
so
um at this point in time mr williams you
will
uh reconvene in two weeks with
firm uh
draft public announcements for us to
elect which one
and uh
yes
any other discussion around this
nothing okay
the final items are for executive
session for the sale of property
so this time i would ask that we go into
executive session
second okay we're an executive session
the public will have to leave
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