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for tuesday september 6 2022
the first item on the agenda mr ferrari
is financed
thank you cultural finance committee and
of course item is 2022 when it's really
hard
continuum of care for capital district
once here
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sorry
um so this request is basically an
annual contract that we
have with the ymca for the hud continuum
of care and it helps to support rental
and administrative costs for
homelessness in the city of schenectady
so they operate the facility at 845
broadway
so this is just a recommendation for the
city council to approve renewing this
annual contract that we have with the
ymca to operate the program at 845
broadway
and this the first one is for the 10 bed
i believe so there's two contracts one
is for the 10 lid and then the second is
for the 20
so
again it's the same thing
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uh we're here today to uh request uh to
schedule a public hearing for
october 11th of 2023 on the
budget for the 2023 budget
we're hoping that we get this passed and
after we have the
public hearing we're hoping that on the
17th of october we'll be able to discuss
what we called and hopefully we'll pass
the budget by the 24th of october
thank you very much
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absorbing
16.005 785 and a few weeks ago
we gave
additional 14 609
955
40
and
because it was already taken care of
because of the painting that was being
done down there it says what they needed
done uh so
the um so i asked her folks who said
anything the only thing i received from
i did receive something from miss
patrick because she said she wouldn't be
here tonight so i would just like to
start there
and um in the packet there should be a
backup of all the applications that they
submitted so um
what ms patrick's was uh most concerned
about was the park
and so um
the recommendations she wasn't specific
so
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it should be in your
um 250 000 and these all this was on the
last thing that the mayor had submitted
um 250 000 for the full repairs
and um 250 000 for the riverside park 10
and um
and another citizen doing the parts
another 1 million for central park
general improvements which would
actually take that to what the original
request was which was 5.5 million
because we already approved 4.5 million
so those are the ones that um
that i have here for miss patrick so we
could just go around and um and if
others have things that they want to
control i can start with mr palmini if
you have anything i knew you had parks
the last time did you have anything i
think there should be the
projects that the mayor proposed last
time in the parks at
6.09 and then
i believe
the remainder of the money should be put
towards the sidewalks and roads
okay
is
every different neighborhood is a chance
for everyone in the whole community to
be serviced by by the parks and
so i'm in favor of proposing giving all
that money to the parks
and again in infrastructure but i'd also
like to bring up that um
i'd like to not spend all of our money
um
in this particular session
um to see what's left and to kind of
come around again
i'd like to pay a greater
amount of gratitude to our city
employees especially local 1037
um
office of general services they're out
in the during the pandemic they were on
the streets every day they were in the
office every day
they didn't have the opportunity to stay
home
and work from their computers
or work from a private office they were
on the streets they were sanitation
workers water sewer
and i'd like to
at some point
visit
extending some money to them
to the workers
who were front line essential workers
as far as maybe some
funding for their
like everyone else received for
being vaccinated presenting their
vaccination card so again i think that
would be very important to me um and i'd
like just to
uh for us to consider saving some money
um to a lot for that
um again there's no application but
again this this money
is to use for
anyone who was affected by cola and if
there was anyone affected by cova it was
the amount of probably
between 140 and 150
local 1037
employees who
had to stay home with code but who are
out in everyday work encoding bringing
cova back to their families or being
infected by hobart so my first focus
today would be for the parks definitely
and then
i would like to see some infrastructure
issues
addressed
i know there was a break over in the
north side today the water's still not
established so we have some extremely
aging infrastructure in this city and
again if we if you work on some of the
infrastructure it can benefit every
single member
of the community so that's what i would
hope
to
in terms of let me just address in terms
of the money from 1037. there was some
money that was put aside called job
retention that's not even included in
this correct no we have not even spent
all of that so um
thank you
majority of not all of them
and i just have a little cheat sheet
here the central car a diamond
the central park tennis court the elvars
fairview park
and the hillbars
pool repair
and a riverside bar
i would like to see those that we
discuss and consider
this project and to perform the
in regards to the parts
so
are you ready to
jump in here
okay
sure
we're talking about our recommendations
at this point in time where is she
okay um so
the projects that i need to
um
boys and girls club
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so it's just to be clear because um
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so if you just tell us how much you want
to fund them for the co-pilot
um
for 1.2 million dollars
so um just in terms of i think everyone
got the email from hamilton hill art
center so i think it
um
represents for the discussion is yes
they send us an email
initially they asked for i think it was
1.5
i can look it up and
1.7 initially thank you it was 1.7
and they wanted to do artist funding
excuse me artist housing
from the intern while we were in this
process
they
actually received funding from another
source to do their artist housing
so their ask has been reduced
and also revised
to a um different ask um
could you just come and explain what
that
from our is
they're looking to create a new building
essentially their existing building is
fitted of a lot of repairs and
i believe the objective is to
take the first step in building a
structure in the current sculpture park
with a longer range plan of rebuilding
where their current building is so now
that they have the sculpture park and
the existing
site across the street they're looking
to um
they're looking to put this funding
towards that
um
and this would
i
does anybody have any questions about
the proposal um
which you know includes a lot of
information about what they do what this
would be they have a lot of different
aspects of their programming which
includes after school programs um you
know cultural events art exhibits
um
various things of that nature music
lessons dance lessons they do a lot of
different programming
um they've been around for over 50
years so
including the amounts
thank you
um
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state park tennis court philhars
the um
renovations riverside tennis court and
uh including the additional million
to raise the general
park improvements to their full ass
additionally i'd like to include both of
the ywca projects
uh the mayor recommended one that urged
me at 364
000.
i'd like to include in the second which
was a transition program for 750 000.
additionally i'd like to include
proctor's
air filtration program for 76 thousand
dollars
i would like to include the kiwanis
project for ten thousand dollars and i
would also like to make in consideration
for the stockade pump station i know
they're asking for considerably more but
i would recommend
leaving them halfway
at 750 000
and
you already mentioned the um urgent need
for the y so
also um
they he recommended habitat for 500 000
likes to support that it also looks for
100 000 first cap
and the city hall hvac
project okay
and the city hall h stack for 352 000.
that was it so we can go ahead
so
initially
you came to us it was 120
and are you still talking about that
number
um i mean that's what the request was
when we put in the application
costs are increasingly we actually added
a lot to the scope because now we're
including the tennis court and the
basketball court across the street
making that when we're mobilized
initially the grant was just for the
festival for splash pad and now it's
kind of expanded so the project budget
is increased so i just want to make it
clear that that's a product that's ready
to go learn how to unlike a lot of these
other ones
one of those
thoughts together
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riverside park tennis
if we increased it to kind of grab that
components in there so that we're not
doing a project when we do one component
and then we hear it later on well all
these other parts got those components
so that was different from the last time
christian was up here talking about the
lighting component so what we did is we
put the lighting on and we added that
kind of sports car components so that if
we were to move forward
all the cords would be kind of similarly
done with the coatings and refresher
things like that um so that's why the
cost went up because it was outside of
the original scope
that that's where
so what is the question
you know we're getting around like what
we're using for example is you know
riverside park we were working with uh
cha
kind of a two tennis court basketball
court combo down there we're right in
the neighborhood of 250 to 300 to
freshen the surface fencing re-coat and
bring those cords back so then this we
have two cords
and a basketball court the center court
we kind of already had in our budget the
main court but it was those two tennis
courts and then the uh
was a great remote basketball court
those were the areas that we were
looking to get this funding for and we
with
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of our our stoke was lighting there so
it's just to bring the whole park kind
of up
question
so
you're saying so the original so the
main court was in the original main
court
the main court was always the base bid
was part of it but we weren't going
beyond the main court we weren't going
into uh tennis in any one uh i want to
call satellite
if we would like we're going to get the
bids
soon
so we could you know get bits bring them
to you and we kind of talk about what we
want to do and that would be the most
accurate um if we do it that way
but right now we just have estimates so
we're estimating that those core
components are going to be similar the
250 to 300 and then the lightning
so we added those two together we got
450 and then we just you know everything
we always do has a contingency
because the costs are so unpredictable
so are you telling us 450 right now
i thought in the request
right i thought that was in the request
so
yes
was all per day and work is being done
i mean they may have asked for in a
proposal 500 000
i don't have any issue
adding that so the parks projects
my recommendation as we discussed it
last time would be appropriating and
running for that particular purpose
because the south debate is still going
to have to come back to the city council
to actually approve the contract right
yes
we're pretty much doing the same as we
did the last time all right
there is a contingency assigned to it
we'll let you
and what we did last time there were
certain
as a reminder
certain
organizations that the council wanted to
move ahead with
in terms of funding them directly so he
said authorize the mayor and enter into
a contract with those particular ones
otherwise it was just essentially to you
know flatten better work had the money
um
so i think it's a good point for me to
interject so i'm going to share my
comments before are in line with mr
economy suggestion including the other
parts
i would be in agreement with holding
x amount of dollars
for a amended
second round
i know that we've all had and heard from
the community how that was interpreted
but i think there are still lingering
projects
that need ample consideration
so i know although
us as a member
of the community
we are coming with our ideas and
recommendations but i still believe that
there is a considerable amount of
potential projects that could equally
and should equally be considered
so
although i was
not planning specifically to
put that much towards jerry broyle with
me personally i want to make sure
considerations are made so that
once funded it's funded appropriately so
now he's nearly together so i appreciate
this along uh providing that
overview but then also wanted to keep in mind with the other projects or
all the parts that are still out there
i think taking moments to understand
what our intent is with
like to see drug harvey at the internet
because from part of the years of
nothing that that market is being used
every week every day so i think we need
to get so these two parts consideration
as we go about
allocating
needs repair
that needs to be done it's on there
somebody said that i thought that was
taken out no no no no no no all right
specifically
i'm
fairview park tennis basketball
pickleball dog park i'm asking for a
full funding as for the mayor's request
as i said again we i speak with miss um
patrick as well and those were concerned
so those are the the the ones that were
outlined hillary's both the first
projects are actually included
uh full full and mostly the full asking
um so what's the mood of aaron uh what
was
remaining
so david spence around 20.7
job retention
all the allocation that was done during
full weight and i have to cover it and
then what we did the last runs
so we are talking about um
you know 30.7 million dollars that's
already allocated
and
if if you're wrong so
i can start with myself in terms of less
start to pull some numbers out in terms
of whatever concepts regardless of our
specific project for the parts and that
way i can
ask anybody mention any project can you
just give us a number because i think
this
whole day we're making notes of each one
of the projects so i can start with
the
headwear spark hill horse fairview park
and i absolutely tennis
basketball pickleball dog park
asking every
500 there that's on the airport also
we are
just moved on
home repairs
i am asking for 250 000 here
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a diamond
500 000
the central park
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tennis court 500 000.
so we had a diamond
the tennis
riverside park tennis basketball
and court reconstruction
and that is 250 yes
example
that's two million
cherry oral part we have the consensus
on the floor so to move this out
since i'm doing the park here
by
uh since its 1000 and mr um
mr walnut has given us what he thinks is
fall probably i'm i can support that
um
and we have the
i don't think we anybody mentioned
central park tennessee but i think
the other one says central park house
you mentioned earlier that's just a
court reconstruction
no that is that doesn't include that's
the rivalry park now you said central
park times earlier
no
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is that included in the 500 000 century
card tennis court or is that something
separate
no no
that was i think one of the things that
we're getting a little
boston
the parks projects were kind of like
i call it you know the
wish list right
if we had this one of the things that we
don't have and it's not because we can't
is that we don't uh we haven't really
met with the parks committee we have a
parks committee
and we really would like to utilize
those committees to prioritize things
myself and kristin and anthony and paul
the four of us as department heads we
can prioritize things as we see them but
we don't feel that that is
great for us as the public parks and
they involve so many outside entities
and neighborhoods and so you know if the
council might do it this is that so
right now everything you said is great
my personal opinion central park tennis
lighting is
it's down here all right it's it's it's
that this off the floor you know we want
to get the other projects up the a
diamond we've been trying to get that
lit for
eight years
you know some of these other projects
that have just come up that are taking
some money you know but this was you
know
a list that we put together and the
other thing just to make sure is
just because we may not fund it with
arpa doesn't mean that it will never get
funded you know we're going through a
capital budget right now we're going to
do a capital budget next year
um we're programming a lot right now
okay the person that gets all that done
is just me
so you know that's a lot to put on the
plate i mean kristen does
some but when you get into construction
it's engineering it's a lot of work so
we're programming a lot here we've got
to have realistic expectations of what
we can get out with regards to doing
this on top of you know about 50 million
dollars next year republican
infrastructure work
you know so
it's tough so that's what if we could
you know i'm going to try to bundle some
of these things together if we're doing
sports course we'll try to involve
sports courses one
but i'll also you know prioritize things
and one of the discussions we had was
uh hillhurst park
do we make it and we establish it as a
pool do we go splash pad it sounds like
we want to
which is good that's a decision that we
weren't comfortable making at the time
we had it out there
just for clearing you mentioned uh
project allocation
is that restricted completely to your
title as a department head or is that
just due to staffing locations
both
so if it goes through engineering
i don't have staff to allocate things to
i have consultants for consultants and
managers
so
it's just it's a lot
thanks
so the
500 000 is not the lighting the lighting
is 400 000. and the
500 000 is researching the tennis courts
right right
and and that cost that's the other thing
that i would make sure we do this with
our bonding and it's something that
andrew and anthony can uh work on and i
don't know how this important part does
if it's not bonded is
to keep things general enough for when
we don't use it or if we do
you know that we can use it for other things so central park we know
that we need to upgrade some reports
some of the cracks there's some heaping
and some areas so we're gonna go um
maybe that's how much it could be less
and if it's less does it go back into a
pot or can you use it for other tennis
related improvements
that's where you know if we were doing
this in bonded money you know i would
advise that we call this
city of connecticut recreational core
improvements
not central park riverside i know that
this is a little bit different we want
to be more specific but i just want to
make sure too that as we program we're
leaving ourselves some flexibility so
that if
central park comes in at 400 and
riverside comes in at
400. okay well that's the same how we
can balance and we can get the projects
done that's why also a prioritization of
projects would be nice so that
if the projects start coming in over
budget we get that done and we don't
just have to build one that's one of the
biggest problems we're having right now
is
costs we want up pledges to stay the
same and we're running into the luxury
rail that we have these projects that we
don't have all the money to finish we
really want to finish little horses are
great examples
you know so right now my top projects to
finish
are jerry burrell hillburst very because
they've been out there for the longest
i'd really like to finish them because
people will be waiting for them and then
as we go we can get to the next round
you know riverview was great
but that i have that one level of a wall
because we've been working on these
other two for you know a year and a half
two years he's done and cover had a lot
to do
so
but so
i i appreciate that you know lands the
reason i want to be aggregable in all
the parks all right so that makes sense
to me why
jerry garrell you know
bought me to
prioritize route i guess my question
is
we're talking about the capital um
capital budget i'm i'm thinking about
like you know are there other places
that that
some of the projects
can be funded from
because the arc of money is um
refunds so i just want to make sure that
right now you know i'm kind of taking
point that we're not paying ourselves in
the corners where we're you know
over specific to where it makes sense to
move money to a different project to
maintain you know some continental
parts
but i'm just thinking about you know how do
we assure that there's not other funds
that could be earmarked for some of the
projects um and then you know some of
these articles can be kind of
returned to the popular some of this you
know smaller community uh
grassroots initiatives
well so you know christie can talk to
this a little bit more but i'm not going
to impact
you know so right now when we do parts
projects the main funding source for
parts project is our cdbg money we
either do cpg money or grants those are
the two ones that we use so when things
go over we kind of rely on cdbg money to
help now to your point though we can use
cv's money for other things just like we
can use for other things
i think the last thing we want to do if
you ask amp is borrow money you know
that's the last thing because borrow
money is just like taking a mortgage out
you don't want to borrow if you don't
have to but at the same point i think
that we should all be realistic to say
if the city has needs and desires the
council can borrow money to do that um
but like
in my on my opinion if i was ranking
they have so many old products a diamond
lighting might say eight years very
barrel apart three years
those are where i will try to go down
and then we get down the bus
and the community
yeah this could be the only shop for
some of them but that's kind of outside
of my purview you know that's what this
is i'm just trying to make sure you
understand like if we're really
splitting parents here i think that
based on our meetings the people at
central park would love for those courts
to just stay at that tournament level uh
that we keep them at and hey look guess
what if you guys are like you know we
got a half a million dollars to burn
here yeah it looks like you know but if
you have needs and fulfill the needs you
know
people will be more than happy to keep
those courts at the level that they need
to be to hold those turns correct
so
if we're moving forward with the central
park tennis court
are not i'm not going to be going uh
most likely
well i'm not going to say that
if we did the lighting i don't know if
i'd have to go into the courts or not i
haven't looked that into that level you
know the idea was if we were going to do
it we're going to do the lower 8 quarts
where it's very uniform light them on
both sides and have an area that is lit
quartz but once again we're coming down
towards your decision to where you want
to go a diamond lighting i would have
here tennis
because this is just putting things on a
list of things that people have said
that they would like to see
and but but keep those tennis courts in
championship level is very important
because
they have and and the use
um actually i have a question from mr
folden um so based on what mr wall is
saying in terms of um if we let's say
allocated 500 thousand only spent 400
000 on a project that we're very
specific about
um can the contract be written in such a
way that we could just reallocate the
money to something else the contract
would have to come back to the council
to begin with so there had to be a
reappropriation of the funds that would
certainly happen at the same time
councils
taking on uh authorizing the contract
there would be questions on whether or
not certain funds obviously qualify for
use of the arpa funding
i believe
i'm sorry i just i'm specifically
speaking about parks projects which
right but
mr wallin said maybe we can use it for
other things related to it depending on
what those other things are be a
question on whether or not those would
actually follow you know within the part
sometimes whether they would qualify
you know we would have to get into the
nitty-gritty of it to know what those
other things are
um that being said um you can certainly
you know it's up to the council on how
general wants to be in terms of
appropriating money now
the council doesn't necessarily have to
appropriate money obviously you can just
wait for you know things to go out to
bid the problem with that obviously is
something you know mr well put something
out to bid it comes back and then
you know the console has to be on with
one appropriating the funds for it uh
because it hasn't already been
appropriated and obviously going with a
particular bid so that's why we would
appropriate it now
it can always be reappropriated later on
if not all of it gets used or let's say
you know the council appropriates 500
000
it comes in over budget at 600 000
dollars but it's still the best deal we
can find and we really want to move out
of the project the council then can
re-appropriate you know other funds
we're going to take it from this project
where maybe we haven't you know
appropriated all the funds and we're
going to appropriate an additional 100
000
council can certainly do that
that's exactly what i
love the wanted
so we have a little bit of flexibility
so that as we come to get the projects
we actually can get them done complete
the projects and i'm sure if we really
drive dan in the development part we'd
always have a little bit of cbg cushion
or you know i have some funds but the
problem is is that you know it's your
point you know a lot of needs out there
so you can you can cover 50 000 maybe
but to cover half a million that's a you
know that that hurts the project message
go ahead please thank you um the other
thing obviously is you know when you're
getting close to the end of
appropriating funds
you you know when you put something out
debate it comes in higher than we
anticipated we will need to have that
pusher if we want to move it out of the
project but we only have 500 000 left
and this is a 600 000 bid payment we
would have to find if we want to move
ahead find the funds so to speak uh to
get that project done
so whether that's cdbg monies or
something else that's you know a
question you know really for finance
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level i think is really important
you know uh gerry's income into the city
as well
tournaments there so i think that's you
know i would say that that's important
um
but it seems like that five hundred
thousand dollars for lightning on the
court
sorry 400
and then
at least that would be my
suggestion
the discussion on the center park
testing
that's probably
you want to say anything on that or this
tutorial
so how people forward this you know i'm
good right now
holding it off for this
um so the four hundred thousand dollars
for the lighting i'm again if if
mr vollen places it way down here i'm
wondering why it even ended up here but
that's okay
um
for consideration um again it would be a
you know i know the importance of those
courts over there i can't believe the
amount of use they get um and i know a
lot of people who do do tennis and they hold
tournaments over there and i knew i know
the new guidelines for a pay uh scale
for using the courts is a great revenue
and i think at some point i mean if they
want to go tournaments at night which
may happen
we could we could definitely use the
lighting at this point yes oh no that's
what i was going to get at is that i
can't stress enough the importance of
really getting that parts committee back
and having some of these decisions
discussions openly because here's my
issue
i have to put these recommendations out
there and try not to act like i'm hiding
things right we had a meeting with the
parks people lighting came up we were
talking about parks projects there was a
lot of support for tennis in general i
put it on the list that number is a dart
at a board because
the reason for that is that it's based
off of what i've learned from the a
diamond lighting and talking with their
sports division these lights are going
to be shorter they're not going to be
baseball style lights however you know i
did not have detailed conversations
about how many ports really do we need
to light the most effective seem to be
the most smallest compact 810 cords
there however
what if they said you know what we just
want to do four cores the tennis
community only needs
five we could you can shrink it up more
or we can move so
that's my issue as an engineer standing
up here is that it is a it's a nice idea
it will really benefit some because some
people can only play at night we're
getting into darker hours the weather's
still nice but the sunlight is not there
but it would be nice to have
more of that
sounding board other than myself and
some city staff trying to you know just
assume what do you think the best would
be for the city
go ahead please um so i also i would
recommend
that if we're talking about tennis and
lighting that we would maybe have
somebody from the usta or the group that
uses it out there to be part of that
conversation because they know best ways
with needed so and that's where the
conversation came from
but it wasn't from a necessarily it was more of the fact is that we run
so many instructional events there in
tournaments that it was really the
thought was okay well what if you were a
resident you just wanted to play and you
feel like you can't get onto the courts
well you know what
now you can we're giving you the ability
to go out there and play
but
and
as well as some schools practicing their
um you know their availability the youth
to get on the courts i live around uh
community college and i mean those
courts are night you know day and night
being used by
right on union avenue by the college and
i'm sure there's
you know so again uh at at this point
you know
i'd say
we're working on the parts
i would say i would go
um b diamond needs irrigation there's
youth
uh leads that need new fences around
them
that hundred thousand dollars would go
very far
to make sure all that happens
and uh i think that would be a much
better use of that money
um
the b diamond is part of the facility of
a b and c diamonds of bringing a money c
diamond has
irrigation b diamond doesn't
a dominant of course is
uh
um there's the bellevue little league
field
who's being used for youth activities
certainly could use
new fencing i'm sure the babe ruth field
the soccer field could use new fencing
i'd rather see the 400 000 go towards
that
is that an estimated price or that's
just that no that is estimated by
an
actual yeah so
that is for uh collegiate level lighting
okay so there are two levels of lighting
like three levels there's recreation
there's collegiate and there's
professional
collegiate level lighting is a higher
standard and that's what we're looking
at because i mean the goal is to always
have you know college level teams
playing on a diamond to bring that there
so we don't want to keep local colleges
from being able to play at night so that
is their estimate to do that would you
mind getting an estimate for us in
regards to the central part of tennis
uh very bad class because
we can hold this for a couple of weeks
the next rounds and we can continue to
discuss this
come back
sorry i'm going to say it there is
like for instance the a diamond has had
lights so what we're talking about is
reestablishing lights whereas the tennis
court has never had lights so we're
talking i mean we're talking about
bringing in new service new transformers
we can do all that i'm just that's also
part of it is
just writing for uh i think we can hold
it until anymore
um so listening to mr palmini obviously
he knows a lot more about the parks
program um
who needs irrigation who needs what i
mean how can we
find out
all the parks i mean i have a little
park on south avenue that's a little
it you know my bring my granddaughter
over there
right but i don't even know if it has a
name i've been asking for no smoking
for a year
um
like you said asking for more smoking
scientists to you know
but where where can we find out you know
who has a list of all the parks and what
the parks may need and be diamond and
sea diamond and you know songs from
talking park
i saw a little park the other day i
don't remember what it was and i said to
my daughter oh that's such a sad excuse
for a park here in this city
um had a couple of swings i don't even
remember where it was but yeah
so mr wong is that something that the
recreation advising communities
um
in terms of what's needed in the parts
of that i remember you know several
years ago we went through something
similar where they went out they
assessed the parks and it ended up
having some improvements so
what to mr
is that something that the committee
would then um i know it's a group of
volunteers
i believe
a city staff member did do that in
development i don't know if it was
matter or not years ago we went and
assessed kind of what was there working
with some of the parts that but
the recreation advisory
they actually did the assessment
themselves
you know the staff has been doing it
we don't have a great
summary we do know the needs uh i think
mr mutaveron's point but drought park
you may say south
park is forgotten but
is probably 25 times the size
and it is in probably worse
you know and we did you know one of the
issues with this part like that too is
investments were made we have a
very um well-built uh structure there
that was used for uh for sports and that
remains
but otherwise you know
it is kind of been let go and
it's just stacking levels and things it
says and the other part of it is it's
much like this to be long-winded with
all this it's much like the casino
building in central park
if you don't have a use and you don't
have a purpose
then
it's it's hard to keep making the
investment i know that some uh cricket
has been played there but i also know
it's a little small sometimes right
isn't it the size small graph part
i know the projects i'm working on but
i'm usually focused in transportation
projects yeah
that's one reason why i imagine it's
time it's um it's probably an immense
assignment so it's a good opportunity
when we go to the next round
next discussion we should add these two
parts into consideration
because it needs to be taken care of
so what i recommend if there's an
objection i will hold the cyclone
central park tennis court lighting on
chill
we proceeded
and then we can also discuss
the b and c dino is that correct
c diamond has the irrigation
b diamond would require
let's say twenty thousand dollars per
mr williams you mentioned a millionaire
being a located so central park general
psych improvement
i know i'm coming to you but i just want
to like since you're getting a part we
just can cover that one item and then
move around to you
honestly i mentioned that
what i was saying is that when um in
discussions
with miss patrick she was talking about
the parts
and then having um discussions that
other council owners um did send
information so the um
what i what the final number was one
million which would bring us up to the
um
the 5.5 because the initial act was 5.5
and at this point in time we've
allocated 4.5 so allocating the million
would bring us up to the original
assets
from the mayor's office
discussion of that
seeing that i will then move forward to
make a recommendation that we add a
million dollars to the
central park general site improvements
this is
all right um before we go i think we
finish off the parks here i think we
pretty much captured everything except
for the michigan avenue
and the
tennis
court lighting
i just want to make sure did that
include the 500 000
yes
500 000. central park tennis court
improvements 500 000
riverside park courts 250 000 jerry
burrell 500 000 and then the central
park general site improvements adding a
million dollars all together that comes
up to 3.5 million
thank you
uh i made a decided comment from
michigan avenue
yes i am going to try on getting the
sports
is i went to michigan avenue and i
believe the corn was in better shape
than i originally thought there's just
two large cracks so i'm meeting with the
vendor to see if the cracks can be
open filled and smoothed the cost may be
a lot lower so i'm going to try to get a
couple of hardened numbers because we
may be able to just
either
you know yeah i'm just i just wanted we
might be able to get michigan what i
learned at our meeting was that michigan
avenue and central park they are they do
this they already worked together they
did not know that
the usda when they hold their seven
events bring so many people that they
run satellite rounds at michigan avenue
while using the central park courts
so that's where that 500 000 may be
possible call that
central slash michigan and use it for
both
and just get the tournament courts up
and i think that is something like
mentally when we get together we talk
with
a new parks director in the parks
committee is maybe we make that
designation in our heads that central
park and michigan are the city's turning
reporters and then we have another level
that is refrigeration for us just to
make that difference
because i didn't realize that michigan
was used at that capacity but for them
to bring in that statewide tournament
seven times a year i guess they need
both so that was um but they can't use
it right now because it's a very long
large crack but it's it's
an asphalt usually when you have a crack
it goes everywhere this crack is about
as straight as an arrow so i think
it will be easier to
fix
but i'll get back
thank you
so um
one of my recommendations um one of this
did come one of those pieces from the
mayor the 750 000 for bcni for the co
thank you for coming recovering for
surgery prevention that that amount
would be 250 000
and then um
that's part of the seven 150 000.
so you're right
750
i'm breaking it up
250 000 would be for foreclosure
prevention it's uh something they've
been doing for a while
and also the uh there's another project
the hamilton hill infield development
project for five hundred thousand
um that's they both are asks um they did
have four asks they took one off
and i would also recommend the one name
for the owner occupied rehab
vacant houses project
but with that i would also like to
ask that they work with mr
ron
gardner to make sure that the people in
the program that he works with are
people who and that they end up working
on as part of doing part of that project
so we come up with a community benefits
agreement to make sure that they're
included
as part of that
since there's been a lot of discussion
regarding making sure that people who
live within the city get to work within
the city um i think that we should that therefore that helps a project that
the city is already doing in terms of um
ron gardner's what ron garner is doing
and also it lets us get um some owner
occupied um rehab
done
so i was i would like to recommend one
of my new towards that
so it's total 1.7 million for the bcni
they did have four projects but the last
one i'm not i'm not recommending that
one
um i think did i say the um
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city hall hvac project
before this one recap
taking
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development project and they won million
dollars for the
owner occupy rehab yes okay
but also like like i said with that i
want to make sure that there's a
benefits agreement so that they're
working directly with ron's program and
using the um
the people that he's working with
because currently what's happening is
as they graduate the other program then
he moves them on to firms so this would
be an opportunity for them to
work on some city projects as well
so for attaching something like a
contingency to this study
if this were to be true
attaching
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so because it's not determined by the
outside funding agency like we had with
i think somebody who's looking for
funding from i think maybe stephanie
foundation here it just goes right into
the contract
that'll be my recommendation
5.25 right now okay
is city hall hvac in there
okay and um finally um for we've been
talking about food insecurity and we've
already funded some of them but i would
like to um suggest we
find one made into the electric city um
food pillow
and i let me just add that i know that
the county is currently putting on rfp
to
have a supermarket come to the old
mohawk honda on state street which kind
of addresses the
supermarket in that particular area but
my understanding of electric city would
be this would be downtown so that people
downtown will also have access to
supermarkets so that is my
recommendation
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is
yeah everything running nonetheless yeah
can you go down your list again i'm
sorry oh i'll get anywhere else
go ahead please um so phil has parked
500
250 a diamond 500
central park tennis courts 500 riverside
park quartz 250 jerry burrell
500 that's 2.5 right there
adding to the central park general site
work adding a million dollars to that
uh bcni all together 1.75 million made
up of 250 for foreclosure prevention 500
for the infill 1 million for the repair
and rehab program
city hall h b ac 352 000
and then
the co-op 1 million
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um so we're just kind of recapping the
facts that we brought forward earlier
yeah we mentioned that earlier so we
have it we're going to make notes
and write a project description and then
here we are in terms of discussions
so um i
brought forth our hamilton art center
i have 1.2 million dollars
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the cocoa house at 500 dollars
boys and girls club cubby
you're really really fast man boys and
girls club 331
408 voice in here as well
excellent
and
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that's
true
is
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so
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is 2 million
1.2 million for hamilton center
333
for voice of your squad and 500.000
and the boys and girls club
yes so they're
i only see them on here for
37 000.
so is there something am i missing
something under facilities or facilities
i'm sorry okay oh
okay
city what's on that right there i tried
it i made mine big years yeah
oh full scale i'm sorry
yeah sorry
okay so that's so that's uh for the
facilities
project not the youth project that they
had something in for okay i'm sorry they
actually do
i didn't know that so that was still on
my list
okay
i'm good there now
any other discussion on this
all right so move forward with these and
just recap mr clothing 1.2 million for
hamilton art center
333 408 31
400 for boys and girls and 500k for coco
that will give us 8.6340
so i had both ywca projects the one
which was the urgent needs which was on
the mayor's recommendation
and the second which is uh you know i
mentioned i'm sorry about the project so
if that's a quote they can
make notes apologies 364 000 for the
ywca urgent needs
three six to four is it either
364 449 49.
then 750 000 for the ywca's uh other
project it's
centers around uh transient housing
what was the name again sorry
7 1500
the next is 76 000 for proctors
even
correct
the next is 10 000 for the and i
apologize for my pronunciation kiwanis
and the last is 750 000
for the stockade pump station
and for that one that's uh
their plans are to reappropriate
the old pump station building their
original asset was for 1.5 million
however i think it's a considerable step
for the city to make
to allow them to get closer to the full
lasting
and um
i know we made similar considerations to
other projects of you need to raise the
money
and get into mr wallin's point of not
wanting to have fun projects they would
need to
have a plan in place to fund or receive
funds for the remainder
so i don't know we need to put a
contingency in place yes
so
on the stockhead project we'll have a
contingency
in place based on them showing proof of
additional funding
are we going to set up a timeline on
this
we'll just stock it under 750 no where
is it
here
is it it's in here
yeah that is for 1.5
i'm sorry
oh there it is okay of the 1.15 is that no
is that on this list
that was in the packet
okay
a contingent on the rest of the funding
yes so the stockhead will be contingent
upon them or do you just want to
appropriate the funds for them and when
they're ready
they didn't specify that sort of
timeline any time
no no big deal
yeah i think we need to attach a
timeline if we don't want to go home to
the end of 26th something we're seven
hundred thousand dollars is there and
we didn't spend it
so i think we need to give them a
reasonable time like 12 months to go
seek additional funding for this project
this year which is a shorter timeline
and
here we are that we didn't spend the
money at 7.50
go ahead please and i agree with that
and so also part of that would be the
monitoring that's going to happen is
that they're doing this
um by the department of development and
perhaps there is need an additional need
for some support in that area
um
maybe we should talk about and that
means maybe not make this decision today
but we talk about bringing in support
some support that may be in the form of
consultants because it's a um a very
limited time so we don't want to bring
on necessarily a staff person that's
there all the time but i think that this
is going to require a lot i know this is
going to require a lot of oversight
that's going to be above and beyond
what our staff already have to do so i'm
suggesting that we might want to
consider putting some money towards um
have a consultant to to help with that
um
this process as mr wallin spoke about he
uses consultants because
there just needs to be work to be done
that we don't necessarily aren't fully
staffed to do
so i think we should be considering that
i don't have an issue
lending them support but at the same
time i would like to see a timeline
absolutely and that person would
the department
and would keep track of the timeline
go ahead so
um
correct me if i'm wrong i was assuming that
most
all the projects that when we enter an
agreement with them there is
an established time
is it there i would say that and you
know there's a lot of details to work
out but i do think
when we get time to enter an agreement
with all of these organizations that we
would want to have some type of date
where if the project hasn't started or
there's not full funding or it's not
ready to go that we would actually be
able to reallocate the funds because we
don't want to be in a situation where
you know and it probably will happen in
certain things like if something doesn't
move forward or there's a change we want
to be able to
reallocate the funds obviously so i
think we should include that in all the
contracts yeah
that's would be pretty much standard
practice anyway right you know what like
uh
can we block rent money right don't we
do that with them too like depending
yeah
so
are we going to reference anything with
regards to the 750 being allocated to
the pump station
in the resolution so that way it's noted
um are we going to reference the
contingency
against this uh pump station renovations
i think we need to for sure yeah i think
we should it'll be similar to similar to
what we've done in the previous
resolution
right yes and similar to pricks where
the contingency is noted in the
resolution
discussion on this or
yeah any other special regards mr
williams proposal on the table
okay oh maybe i just have a total of
where we are yeah thank you i was just
waiting
10 million 583
857
10
583 857 that is correct that's what i
have so
on top of the thirty six thousand six
ten five this is everything this is all
the projects that have been discussed
tonight tonight tonight
right now this is just tonight yes
ten million five eighty three
eight
so that includes i mean i don't know if
i said it the second time around that
includes habitat and scaf and the best
house
okay
original no i didn't no it did not it
didn't include those so we can go back
please
oh i should be specific i said habitat
at 500 thousand
five hundred k right it's gap at one
hundred thousand
and because 100 k is a scale
yes
what else but
two hundred thousand
any discussion on these three additional
projects from this
torn field
go ahead please just give me one moment
i'll take it
so that comes out to uh just as a side
note
uh eleven three eighty three eight fifty
seven that's an additional eight hundred
dollars
for those three projects one one three
eight three eight five seven
in addition to the bethesda house i see
that
oh it is for carol i'm sorry yes yes
mr moon
go ahead please so um just to be clear i
had said those initially before we had
the discussion
regarding jerry burrell yeah we invested
sorry yeah the second time around i
missed so i'm sorry about that
so with those um
we're looking at 11 million
383
857.
yeah
any additional
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for the camera
the cara
house project on the stage
oh marion's got it all the new look okay
yeah i just want to make sure
so as of tonight there are 11 million
383 857 of new
allocations
what happens
um so i had
the mayor had advocated in his
again going back to infrastructure
something that we all um
benefit from um
3 million
500 000 for funds for improving
sidewalks and streets and
along the corridor so i i know you know
a lot of these things uh that we've
allocated funds to
go to benefit so many people in the
community that need them and then
there's you know people who live in in
different parts of the community that
don't benefit from that but the
sidewalks everyone benefits from and
personally i walk in the road a lot of
times um just not to trip on sidewalks
so i'd like to see how much we could
allocate for the infrastructure for them
yeah the last time um
patrick had brought us up and i asked
mccarthy for a description of the um the
overall of the projects in terms of the
sidewalk in terms of the road and we
didn't receive it from him and me
mccarty's not here tonight i think
based on the last conversation when we
were discussing this i think everybody
was on board in terms of allocating more
values missed the public even some more
money yeah we need more money into this
project but um i think we should get a
little bit of description of what is
exactly going to happen
laws where it's going to happen it looks
like we have 42 million right now yes um
and there's 15.
so we're looking at 10 11 million
dollars
something million left 9.89
so again and again we want to keep
um i believe a question for the projects
that we are
allocating money to
um
increased you know double funding
especially in full that there's money
left to fund them um and again
as mr williams states
there are a lot of
people we didn't even get to on here
that you know we might
could allocate some some money too so
again is this something that we could
ask
a sidewalk
the sidewalk project but what exactly is
going
yeah we i think concern is that sidewalk
where is it is it the money money is
going to be there and we're going to
decide what petition or are we gonna
just take this money into the streets
which i don't want the problem in the
street but i want to be specific and to
understand what are the projects or if it's a part
of money that we're going to do petition
right
good it's certainly personally
i'm not a sidewalk expert but my first
question would be what does that 3.5
million dollars do in the dent of all of
our um
cyclops that have issues
but then what sidewalks do we prioritize school sidewalks do we
prioritize sidewalks and impoverished
neighborhoods do we prioritize sidewalks
where
homeowners are not able or
it's a renter household where we don't
want those funds
displaced to increase our rental prices
which are already sky high within our
city
so for me personally i think our
sidewalks
slash pavement is a long term plan and i
do not want to call
chris wallin back up here because he's
due to come back up
but
how do we look at the current policy of
how we implement chip within the city um
because i think that is where we need to
discuss i know i haven't had a chance to
have discussions um to understand more
of the mayor's intent but if it's truly
to disperse all of those funds for our
street payment i think we are at time to
have that conversation of should we
distribute those funds exclusively for
sidewalks or do we need to look at more
of a different
distribution of proportions uh because i
know for me living in this city
if we're dedicating all those funds or a
large majority of those funds to the
streets
schenectady is prone to have crappy
streets
i think that's synonymous with our city
unfortunately not no no offense to
those bad hunters
so i think
rather than
putting forth
limited one-time use funding i think
that is the discussion that i'd be more
willing to have
yeah i i think that's something that i'm
leading towards too because it's a do
inside work let's put additional funding
towards improving our streets
so i know that there's some
infrastructure money that's supposed to
be coming down do we know the status of
that
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i asked that question last cycle
grants now so that's what we're looking
into okay
so maybe we can incorporate it into this
infrastructure
when we have a number place and can set
aside some media
i i just want to mention this in regards
to the
retention job retention and now we see
it allocated here
mr ferrari i know we had a conversation
at a couple weeks ago that we're not
going to spend all this money
so at some point in time we need to make
some adjustment
to these numbers
in terms of the the budget allocation
for 2022 and the 4.6 million and the
allocation for the 1.4 million dollars
would you able to get that back to us in
two weeks sure
their job retention yeah
2022
yes those numbers i think
there are some changes gonna happen here
we can get some more uh realistic
numbers uh there will be able to free up
some fundings with regards to um
the budget allocation and i will also
trigger the job retention number is
going to come also
so for original work on that we'll deal
with this as we
get to the next rounds and we'll address
yes street inside logs
top everybody's um priority
uh anything else we should discuss here
i would like to wrap this up and move
forward with allocating eleven million
three hundred and three thousand eight
hundred fifty seven dollars this run
on top of whatever we already allocated
and then we can continue to discuss this
the additional funding in the next two
weeks
and hopefully wrap it up there
go ahead so my question is as far as
we're saying funding so this um
the remaining funding is for the second
round applications that we promised the
oh
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you want to talk about that go ahead and
talk yeah i just wanted i know that you
know
we told people that they would people
didn't fill out the application for the
first round
one of when we first
when i was bringing up the fact that
maybe we should extend the application
process some of the feedback i got was
if people can't you know didn't make it
within the deadline for this round they
will have a second opportunity
to um
to apply for funding so i just want to
make sure that we're all clear that that
is that we're all moving in that
direction
and saying well
unless we're changing
what we initially told the public i just
want to make sure
go ahead please
yeah that was never agreed to i mean we
never settled on that it was a
discussion there was never any vote
there was never
anything decided on there were a couple
of individuals on the council that
wanted that but it was not set
with no respect thank you i don't know
who we is because i never said that
again you see what we've gone through
here and the amount of people that need
money that are looking for funding
so i mean if we're going to do something
but hand out who's already put in their
application the one time that we
decided to do it i do not think there
should be another run
of requests for funding or you run into
another 75 million dollars worth of
requests which i think is what we got
the first time with the applications out
there and unfortunately i said that i am
not in favor of that by any means i'm
sorry thank you
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go ahead yes sir
so there was discussion about that a lot
of discussion about that and it was said
many times
and one of the specific things i do
remember when the project for the golf
course came up initially it was maybe
1.5 or some a much lower amount than we
ultimately allocated and the reason and
when i asked the mayor why i think it
may have happened here at this table
it's because he said when the second
round came he was going to be looking
for money from that round so
um although we never took a vote and but
there was certainly uh could seem to be
a consensus that we would be doing that
now mister to mr um william's point he
mentioned that maybe uh we should not
have necessarily the same kind of
application process but have some
process for people who did not get an
opportunity the first time since we
made a commitment of sorts
um have an opportunity to put forth for
instance we um we talked all the parts
were listed except simon spark was
listed on the mayor so that would be a
group that would have to you know we'd
have to put something together there so
i think that if we could figure out how
it doesn't necessarily have to be um the
same process and um just for clarity's
sake i'm not saying that we need to to
do an advisory committee again um that
was very long process so
but
we should come up with something i do
believe to um be able to entertain folks
who um anticipated and i actually had
this conversation with someone over the
weekend was like okay when the second
round comes so people are under that
impression
um and so i think that we should figure
out how we can somehow
do this
without it being as long a process as
the first time
that's that's how i see it
so
in terms of diamond parts and grout part
we don't have an application in house
with regards to time and spar or
anything close to pearl power
so in that case we will have to
get application through
your department with regards to what
exactly needed at
these two parts
i mean i think that's what chris was
saying like engaging the recreation
advisory committee for bringing in you
know
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some type of
way to be able to prioritize some of
these things but
um i mean that would be
what's time is park
right
now you're talking about the whole
general partner
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if we're talking about city park city
facilities applications to me are just
ridiculous we're investing in ourselves
we're investing in our community we're
investing in every single resident in
this city
and to say we need an application for a
city park and to make improvements to
the city park i just think it's yes
i wasn't asking i was just asking if we
need an application for these two parts
because if the other parts did submit
application
we need to go through the same procedure
as these two and if not then the city
just need to make a recommendation to
fund these two parts to us i didn't
agree with it in the first place for
city for city projects it's ridiculous i
mean we're investing
in our community
why are we
if we wanted to have a a application
process
then should it set aside some money for
these prop projects and then whatever
for city projects to have applications
for this silliness in my mind
so how did we
allocate money to these
part that we are funding tonight
they're proposing to fund tonight
these parts
i believe
some of them i think chris just had a
list
it was
you're trying to say like what would the
scope of work be like what's needed at
that part
i believe there was a plan first was my
first time that was like probably 10
years old now but they did have a master
plan i believe some of that stuff was
accomplished we could go back to that
and see but i think it would really be
up to the neighborhood like to
understand what really the priority is
for the park i don't know that
information right now but i do think
that it's something that the
neighborhood would know is there
something that we can have an update
updated information on that
let's see
to see where we stand in terms of
you know the reason that we excluded
simon's part from this list was that
there is i believe still a 125 000
grand coming to simon's park
for the preservation and repairs of the
historic wall and the preservation of
the path and possibly the extension of
the path around the pond
that was the focus for that and with
that funding we were
going to just use it as we could and
also if we needed more since part of it
was a path i was going to supplement it
with paving money which usually we have
enough of on an annual basis however if
there are other things you know in that
report that you mentioned it is 10 years
old there are dog parks there is a
basketball court that's defunct back
there in a tennis court but these things
once again
have
no champion i guess that is the best
term to do it right now you know the
people who are talking about it is the
wall it is the path
and since there hasn't been anyone right
now talking about the other amenities of
it
that they don't have a place on that
list
the other facilities have all had people
ask us for those facilities we've had
meetings about those facilities and
because we do not have an organized
group to discuss parks
you know it is the loudest voice
is the one that we hear if there is no
voice
there's no advocate for the park right
now unless there's some need for a
public safety reason that we have to
step in
so we could reach out to
you know
the neighborhood and we could it's just
that way
this process has evolved we use that to
use a nice kind word as this process has
evolved
and this is a little bit different than
where we were you know um right now the
city did make some applications and
these projects didn't have applications
we're gonna go with parks that's great
that's your you know it's your decision
to make on this
uh but you know i guess we just have to
be flexible as we want to be more at
simon's part
what is that more i have thoughts i've
had had some conversations about what
that more is i'm even nervous to mention
what that more is at this table because
it's once again it's just
do we do we do it i don't i don't know
but you know usually with the projects
i've had like uh camille has been very
much involved in that we did the
pavilion and we did the community center
we did the building you know we did the
bocce and some other things there in the
memorial you know those were all kind of
grassroots goose hill things and i did
not get that for this round
goose hill recommendation other than
what we just talked about for the grant
and then grout park is
was even quieter i i no one mentioned
any grout park
um
so once again if we do grout park then
it's
what are we doing i don't have a number
i can throw at that because i don't know
what the scope would be or what the goal
is in drought park is
very large
so the cost could be it could be simple
as re-establish the grass or it could be
you know build something there i i don't
know what we're thinking with graph
okay i'm sorry sorry mr pauline
yeah so
first of all diamonds didn't apply
because they just thought the
application process was
uh secondly there have been asks from
simon's park maybe you didn't get it but
um
there definitely has been that certainly
the 120 thousand dollar grant
that um
assemblyman's that got will go a long
way to
doing the wall and in the pathway but
it's not going to cover the entire
expense
there's been asked for
frisbee golf
that there's probability to have that
and even go into caleber park the fixing
of the basketball courts so there is
there has been mass
and i just want to make that clear you
know maybe you didn't get that i
totally get it because there's so many
levels yeah oh but they're there's been
ass
and the one thing that i was going to
say
is that when we were meeting with county
representatives of the legislature you
know it was you know if we had a master
plan and once again our master plan is
kind of just what we talk about is that
if we were to add another splash pad
anywhere there isn't one on the north
side of the city i know that you used to
swim in simon's pond you know eons ago
but now it okay is that an area that we
want to introduce that to so then there
was some desire to try to go to that
route which was introduce some kind of a
water feature there so that the north
end of the city has something because
you know as we're moving to install them
that's one area that goose hill that has
it and it's a large of the city so um
but
yeah and just to add to that with
regards to growth park yes there were
many years of
communities been asking for lights
remove that building see things
and doing a lot of work i support if you
can recall they're constantly asking us
all the time so yes
they have been asking for a few things
to do
so i think we can just revisit those
things and see where we stand at this
point
i recognize that there has been asked
and i think that that that's the and
the significance of having an
application process is that when people
ask this we push a way for you to ask
and therefore we can look at it and
you know review all the information
and then some of those questions that
we're trying to answer right now on the
fly
go through the process and we can make a
more informed decision so again i think
that um
this right here just is a clear example
of why
you know we need to have uh uh
to honor what was said around um
a second round of applications and um
for just these reasons because there are
people who might have thought the application
process was
i don't know exactly
or for whatever reason maybe they were
unaware that their need you know what uh
within the parameters of what this
funding could do so again
as far as increasing access to funding
and
honoring just basically being who we say
we are
i think that that's what you need to do
can i make one more suggestion
please guys
we welcome your suggestion
i just this is something that the
finance commissioner said to me years
ago uh with regards to how the projects
are lengthy how much time they take
um
so capital money capital money is used
for physical objects things with a
10-year useful life so we can use
capital money to buy chairs to do the
roads and to do parks as well so capital
one can be used capital money cannot be
used for community groups
okay so i just want to make sure we're
all understanding that that difference
here between capital because you're
talking about how to give out we cannot
capital and bond money to give out all
right so
just understand that part of it the
second part of it is
we may want to because this money is
flexible as far as i know
since i don't have a plan for simon
spark and i don't have a plan for a
grout park
and those are projects that could be
used for capital
we may want to set aside some design
money which i don't have
and put together some design money aside
out of the article which would be you
know 10 15
of what we think the total budget would
be and we design the project next year
and then
we maybe use capital to build the
project
um because just be
i don't know what grout park is i don't
know what the project is so to sit here
and tell you that it's going to cost 500
000
i have no idea exactly you know the
projects that we have the best concepts
of are the ones that we have conceptual
design and consultants on board and
we're
it's just that idea you have to have
everything all at once you know like we
talked about some larger projects we
just got money from craig street craig
street is such a massive project it is
going to take us a year to design craig
street with community involvement and
getting everything together in the
permitting process and you know if a
year from today we're bidding it it's a
success that's how long it takes so with
brown park if you guys i don't know what
crowd park is i don't know what simon's
park is i don't know what the scopes are
for some of these projects if we want to
set aside design money with the
understanding that
we may have to use capital money in the
future
then that's not a and then you pick what
you want maybe the project of grout is
smaller or larger than what you think
but that gets something going so that we
can actually have an actual estimate
that's the following yeah so this is the
problem with how we did things we didn't
consider the large picture in a large
time frame we aren't leveraging our
money at all we have 120 000 grant for
diamonds we could use the our phones and
leverage that into the bigger project
um granted we don't know what the scope
is but we don't need to know the scope
right now we don't need to spend every
single penny right now we have time
so get the things in grout park as well
get them designed figure out the cost
and said we don't need to spend all the
money right now that's the silliest
we're not thinking
down the road even with sidewalks in
roads sidewalks will last 30 40 years
why wouldn't we use one-time money for
something that's going to set up the
city for a long-term
impact
increasing housing values increasing
livability
so
i mean we don't need to spend the
remainder of the money right this minute
we have 9.8 something million left
let's use it wisely
i think that's what we're trying to do
here
and we're going to end up with more than
9.8 million because they're going to be
adjustment with regards to the staffing
of course
let me just make this
party thank you
so uh going with chris and the
applications yes the applications there
were no applications made by the
individual parks it was just as chris
said whoever spoke screamed the loudest
and since there were no screams from
groud force diamonds or south park um
nothing i think kind of in sporting them
no you know
no one got any of of of those phones
again maybe it's just you know some some
new uh mulch down at south park i get
you know i love going to these cricket
games you know they don't like that
building there how much would it be to
take that building down like the
building oh they do it
but imagine just being there and instead
of the guys on the field being on the
second floor calling the games and
little concessions staying underneath i
mean it's just
cricket's huge over there in the park so
again um yeah so maybe we can get a plan
together put some money in there to
budget for for uh you know to see what the parks might need um but again
there were no specific applications by
any of these people was just the city
planning
department and that was the application
and again i'm going to reiterate that
no there's for nine thousand dollars
plus a little more
million plus a little more there can't
be a second round of applications
um with another again
how do we how do we we can't take care
of what we have here in front of us let
alone another second right so that's
where i am thank you
safari
okay so really so there were so i just want
to be clear that there were specific
applications for these projects every
project that we talked about there's a
specific application
um that was connected to that problem
that's that's a fact that's you know not
an opinion and
it's important you know that that we do
honor the process so we're not in here
right now saying we don't know if grant
park is one hundred thousand or five
hundred thousand or we're not just kind
of
taking our best swinging
into
all of the money
right now but what we do need to do
is to give the people who didn't scream
for silence or scream for grant park an
opportunity to scream now and then we
can say oh and screen i mean by via
application and we can look at it and
say oh this is you know
what the scope of work is this is what
the cost is and this is how it ranks up
against all the other applications that
we consider and that's why i strongly
suggest that um
uh correct me if i'm wrong but i believe
that
the applications that we made by my
department for the city we're not
focused on parks that actually not we did not have
any formal applications for parks the
applications at the time was at the
interpretation
right was the interpretation at the time
when we first got the money and i was
working with anthony was that we wanted
the money to be focused on very specific
code related things so city applications
were centered around ventilation hvac
improving some of our facilities so that
they were
better handling of
air my air filtration and climate and then as
we started advancing through this and we
learned about the you know the
restrictions or
less restrictiveness of it it started to
focus on well you know what we have a
lot of needs with parks
but the parks did not get applied it was
more of a list and the list was more of
where are our needs right now and how
can we you know um satisfy the needs so
we had things so that's what i'm going
to get is it's just from our knowledge
of what the needs of the parks were
there were no people that really came
out the reason that the tennis was we
had a meeting with the tennis people but
it was kind of unrelated to arc but it
was hey if we're going to once again why
would i ask you in a month for a capital
money for a tennis facility if we can
use parker money for the tennis facility
so that's i just want to make sure that
we're clear on that is that and once
again
if we pass on certain things right for
instance we are looking like and
sounding like that we're going to take a
pass at something like improving uh
ventilation at fire station one
do not be surprised
that in a couple of weeks when we have
our budget meeting you will see
improvement of ventilation for fire
station one because that is a baseline
need of the city the system is
antiquated it's original to the building
it needs to be upgraded
so that's why i just want to make sure
we're clear um you know that's why i'm
really trying to stress to everybody at
the table the whole capital
non-capital thing is because just
because it doesn't get approved doesn't
mean you're not going to see it later
and you're going to be paying for it out
of it you know it's going to be a whole
thing you're going to be paying for that
right
my point and i agree my point is that if
i'm understanding this correctly is that
capital funds
can be used to
for to to improve a park
right right
capital funds cannot be used to
allocate to a community agency that's
doing work in the community correct so
okay so with the limited
uh
ability for uh
capital funds
i think that we would definitely want to
make sure
that if there's funds that we can use to
uh
redo our parks and do um some of the
projects that fall within the parameters
background funds
then we i think it'd be wise for us to keep that in mind as we're looking at
this uh remainder amount of opera funds
which can be used to do other things and
can be used to fund some of the uh
community and local nonprofits that are
doing the important work that was
directly related to the pandemic so
it seems like one pot is uh
a little more flexible flexible than
other and i think that we need to keep
that in mind as we talk about
and which i think is reason why it's
important that we do a second
applications
good
so my final topic he said you're all of
our opinions i think the biggest
difference between a good idea and a
good proposal is the additional work
that's done and that i think needs to be
addressed no one is saying that there
aren't other facets of the community
that consider access to this money i
think the biggest issue and for me as a
red flag is that our playing and
development engineering office doesn't
understand the full scope of the needs i
think although we are pausing and
putting in place a hold on certain
aspects of the park's money
unless we have a a a
somewhat grasp
we can't hold the money forever which
has been the narrative that
many of the council members have made
so i think
as the the tone of having a second round
it's learning from the process initially
learning and adapting
i myself was a huge proponent of having
a second round and by definition
any application or any future
considerations for the harp of money
outside of the deadline that we
established
is a variant of a second round whether
we want to call it that or not it is an
additional consideration naturally that
is a point because we have a start date
and an ending for the deadline so
anything after is different
we knew from the beginning that we
received far too many applications
that was not an active thought and it was letting
the community know that
everything would not be considered i
think it'd be different if we told
everyone it is not if you're going to
receive funding it's wind then we are
facing a different situation but that's
not the narrative that was ever
presented to the community it was
present your ideas we will have an
advisory committee to support
our use for the money
it was always an advisory would assist
us but the full
reasoning or the full allocation of
funds would rest with our council
so i think there is no issue with
although the pot of money is
substantially lesser than we anticipated
nine million is still nine million
dollars
and that is a large amount of money and
i think regardless of whether someone
submits a project for 9.1 million
dollars i think allowing the community
to continue to interject on this process
is a form of transparency that i will
always
bolster
i know every city project
just listening to these conversations
didn't submit a formal application i
think it is a poor narrative to send to
the community there are two standards
that we are going to employ
see is not to abide by this but trust
that we're doing the good work and the
community need to do this think that
that's not the right move
go ahead please yeah the application
doesn't mean transparency
the transparency is the discussion at
this at this table
and moving things forward and discussing
it appropriately
an application doesn't mean
much of anything other than there's a
group of people
who cared about something took time and
put effort into that flying board
but to sit there and say that there's
city stuff
that needs to be addressed
but
we have to apply
as city employees for this money
when we're addressing a community need
is observed
period
and
to your point about the capital money
yeah capital is
not as flexible
but capital has to be paid back with
interest there's also
a
bond limit
so we can only bond so much
so we have real issues in regards to
that in terms of taxation
and how we leverage our money
and that hasn't been considered at all
not one single iota
so
i i
didn't think i need to make this point
but apparently i do
i'm i'm pretty sure everyone if you're
if anyone is if this shouldn't be lost
on anyone but the city could use more
money right like that's
we there's there's a huge need and we
and and if someone else wanted to say
here's schenectady take another 50
million dollars in funds none of us are
going to turn that away right like so
there's there's calculations and
decisions that have to be made um at
every point what i'm saying is that if
there is capital money
that some of the projects that we're
bringing forth can be paid for by that
capital money then we need to consider
that when we talk about um
what this opera money is for so
of course
there's there's a
greater need
than there is resources
um
that's why
we are in the seats we're in to make
these calculations and make these
decisions based on community input and
community of engagement
we were really clear with the community
that we were not going to make these
decisions for them we're going to make
these decisions with them
so and we give people another
opportunity
to advocate for projects and things that
they think are important in the
community i think that we are always
going to be a better more participatory
government by doing so why would
knowledge
i don't know why is because we could
have leveraged the money and we could
have leveraged it with the bond money
and grant money and think about this
thing we could have gotten a lot more
projects done than we actually did
that's why
so
okay
right and
i don't recall throughout this process
and i think that it's very
you know
it's interesting that we're here now
and
now we're introducing you know these
great
ideas which
i think we've been really welcoming to
say like
jump in the water's warm here if you
have ideas on how we can leverage money
and do this absolutely and that's been
said from day one
all right please let's have a go ahead
so
my point is this is that
we need to listen to our community
this art of money is here for a reason a
very a specific reason
that we need to listen to our community
and make sure that their voices are
heard and we're not just going to be
making our decisions in a silo around
what we think is best for them we don't
need to do that we need to allow access
increase access and opportunity to
participate in this process and that's
what we need to continue to do when you
do that with another application process
and several initiatives that's my
investment
um but i don't need to deadpool so you
know okay we can definitely talk
afterwards
mr wallin you mentioned uh with regards
to the firehouse uh renovation
i'm looking at amazon mccarthy proposal
you don't have it on here as
an infrastructure project could there be
reason why um we're waiting on the
infrastructure money additional
infrastructure money coming in and then
we assign someone here
i know you can't speak to them
that is not on this proposal but there
could be reason why it's not on this
proposal
that maybe it's going to be funded and
true i
think that the mayor's office uh and
kristen i don't know if you were working
without but it was the mayor's office
that we decided to uh look at parks and
not uh city facilities and there was so
i don't believe there were any city
facilities on the list
originally when it was submitted so that
i just wanted to talk
yeah well the whole reason was i just
wanted to make sure that was required
when he was talking about applications
was the applications that were made back
to mr williams point in january or when
we made those applications
um
they kind of got stale and then the idea
was that we learned more about the money
we changed to this park idea but we did
not make applications that's why i just
wanted to make sure we're all that if
you went that's that's kind of the
reason that we're struggling with the
whole you know what is it what are we
doing we know we have needs we're trying
to fill those needs but we didn't get on
every one of these a detailed uh scope
or application it's just where we know
that we have a need and i'm thinking
maybe there's a reason why
infrastructure was not
placed on the main proposal
later on for consideration when we
received the construction
i don't want you guys
the consul sorry not you guys the
council to talk about these items and allocate this money and then have me
come back at a later date after the
allocation and say
wait a minute what are we doing
you know i just i don't want i don't
want that to be because that's going to
reflect on me and i don't want that to
reflect on me because i'm going to be
the one bringing the capital budget with
mr ferrari
so the first round of funding we were
getting to that show was 26 million or
whatever so then we put out the
applications did we do wrong by going
over that 26 million with these first
round applications before the second
round of funding even came in
so just to be clear um our first round
of applications was not the entire 26
million because there was already um
allocations from from the city
um there was already money that was um
taken from the city in the amount of 16
million so when the first round of
applications went out it was closer to
11 million dollars
okay so it wasn't
26. and so
uh if you're asking which should we have
waited for all the money um the
application process was something that
was part of the mayor's tour and
application process and that was the
decision that was made how that was not
our decision to to make so should we
await her to i like at this point i'm
just wondering if the first round of
funding was only 11 million
we got a request for 76 million so if
we're doing a second round of funding
which i'm not in favor of have we
already spent part of that funding
yeah for the second year
so you're saying yeah you're not in
favor of doing a second round of funding
no i'm not in round of a a second well
application application process
but again i mean did we overspend
already before putting out was it not
fair putting out the first round of
funding applications for the first
funding of the article money
and then the second
round of applications for the second
round of funding for the 26 million
just
you know when we only have nine million
plus a little more left to spend 11
million
just say
just putting that we don't know
so it was
again
there's still applications here
you know
that
just because maybe
none of us are advocating for those
doesn't mean they don't deserve it
i'm just putting that out there i guess
there's always going to be a need for
someone else
always ahead so how do we suggest how do
we address
the
you know the indication the implication
that we were going to do a second round
i think that we need to in some way
address that
and not to prove it hanging out there
by what i said all right
first of all the invitation was only
made by a few members of the council
it wasn't the entire council and the
mayor okay well the math whatever it
still wasn't the entire council
so we can say we implied it no we didn't
certain members applied it and there was
nothing ever finally finally decided
so we can decide now because
people in the community have that i can
tell you i'm sure you oh i can't say i'm
sure you've heard it because i don't
know what you've heard but i know that i
for a fact have heard it as recently as
this weekend
so and um it's been reported in the
newspaper that there will be a second
round so it's not like
uh an idea that just came up today
well of course there's gonna be the
thought that there's because you've been
going around saying there's gonna be a
second one you put it in the newspaper
there's gonna be a second one so of
course people are going to have that
understanding but that was not a kind of
decision
oh just to be clear i did not predict my
newspaper
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i think while we
i'm trying to recall when we discussed
this mccarthy was and i'm not going to
speak to him
he was more in favor of yes he can you
know have his staff open up for around
entertaining
application or other projects i mean
i've heard good argument from both side
here tonight and
i mean everybody has valid problems in
terms of opening up not opening up
i mean
i'm on the fence
i need some more time to process in
terms of
what should we do really
how many more people how many more
organizations are out there that needs
to submit an application
how many organizations miss the deadline
and what can we do as a council to
accommodate the ones that are out there
and can we do some things you know the
council
to accommodate these organizations
that would like to submit an application
whoever missed the application he needs
to revise the application and things
like that
but right now i am not in a position to
make a determination i decide
i think i need to sit on it for two more
weeks and come up with
a support
for our games
in terms of where we open or we don't
open or we reach out to our organization
to summon the application we reach out
to the department of development or come
up with an estimated or engineering
department on the parts the additional
parts that we need to fund
should we
get money there to resign fees and have
it years up there and you know
things of that we need to process i
don't think i don't recommend that we
push forward tonight on this i think we
need to sit on it and let's come back in
two weeks time
they always room for us
time is
we're not behind on time time is um good
on timing
we're moving ahead rapidly here in terms
of allocating this funding
and i think we just need to stick with
that
and i don't think you should shoulder
the weight of investing more time
because i would advocate that we wait to
have this discussion with ms patrick
here um so i think this is a decision
that would affect all of us equally as
we continue through our tenures
for better or worse i i yield to the
fact mr palmini that you have more of an
economics expertise than i have
comparative advantage i do not know that
or advocate in that realm
i just know that if we are truly to
learn from this first rendition
the only way that we're going to truly
make sure all of skype is advocating for
it or is being advocated for is working
together so if you have a recommendation
for how to adjust our policy for me
personally that incorporates
having a variant of a second round i'm
absolutely wrong
and i've said from day one to use look
at the grant and the bonding in the
borrowing money from day one i've said
that
yeah i i'm just going to go back i mean
the last rounds we did allocate you know
simple project and a lot of divorce
project and this runs here
based on what we are proposing here 11.4
million almost 11.4 million dollars it's
a lot of diverse projects across the
board parks neighborhood association you
know
community organization
i think we are moving the right
direction let's you know let's discuss
bring it to the tables
and let's continue to have these
meaningful discussions as we move
forward
i just i just want all my colleagues to
be prepared to answer to the voices of
the community
who um
or under the expectation that
they would have an opportunity um to
apply
uh
for this funding and
i
respectfully um
disagree with with the waiting
um i think that
a lot of the criticism that we've been
receiving and
has been around the timeline the things
have been going i think that you know
we have an obligation to
listen to the community and more
community feedback and more i'm
presenting more opportunities to our
community is never a bad thing and i and
i
strongly uh suggest that we listen to
those voices
go ahead please so um so i am in favor
of us doing some variant of the second
round as we have continually discussed
as i said before i'm not asking for
there to be an advisory committee again
although let me just also say that i
a member of the advisory committee did
um call me and we didn't have to have a
meeting until they gave some feedback
saying it wasn't it wasn't a bad idea we
just needed to do some things
differently we don't have time for that
i'm not asking for that but however i
think i believe that we should have some
variant of the second round it may not
need to be exactly like the first round
but we've discussed it and there are
projects out there that um
community projects that has already been
said can't be funded by other things
that we should be able to give
consideration to and perhaps there won't
be as many as we think we don't know
but i do think the opportunity should be
provided so
i would say that and i also i think that
we you know we um recommended some good
projects for funding uh
almost everyone here i believe has input
into that so i think that that part is
good however i also think that we should
extend a little further and do that
second round which has been talked about
in in various ways
okay so i recommend that we have it back
after the discussion next cycle if you
don't please continue to have this on
the agenda
add
a separate discussion also
in terms of reopening or not reopening
the
this application process as a separate
item if you don't mind miss porterfield
it's putting on the intelligence
coming away from their
location okay
that's two separate things okay
so i think we're going to move forward
with allocating 11 million 383 857 this
evening and i will just ask mr colding
to just give go through a summary of
what he has
there
and we can all if we are any arrow we
can always um make adjustments whatever
it was when i go through this um it's
gonna be the appropriations and then
entering into particular contracts and
if there are contingencies on some of
these contracts
um let me know right so i know that
there's one obviously
when i get to the stock gate association
would they have to have raised 750 000
to match
um i don't know if there are others on
other projects but let me go through it
first okay
so um to appropriate the following funds
uh hillhurst park five hundred thousand
dollars hillhurst pool 250 thousand
dollars the a diamond project five
hundred thousand dollars
central park tennis courts five hundred
thousand dollars riverside um park
courts two hundred and fifty thousand
dollars uh jerry burrell uh five hundred
thousand dollars uh the central park
general site improvements adding one
million dollars to what's been uh
already appropriated
bcni
um
1.75 million dollars total of which
dollars for 250.000 prevention five
hundred thousand dollars for infill one
million dollars for repair and rehab and
we can go over contingencies at the end
for those okay that makes sense yeah
okay uh city hall hbac
uh 352 000. electric city co-op 1
million dollars hamilton hill art center
1.2 million dollars coco house 500 000
boys and girls club 331 408 dollars ywca
for critical needs three hundred and
sixty four thousand four hundred and
forty nine dollars
uh seven hundred and fifty thousand
dollars to ywca for harbor house
um 76 000
kiwanis uh 10 000.
uh stockade association for
the pump station 750 000
habitat for humanity 500 000. scap
100 thousand dollars
that's the question i have for scap i
know they had more than one project in
here uh which project would that be
what's that for scap they have two
applications one is for the cove the
homeless club in 19 support the other
one was for their campus project no the
homeless
okay for the homeless covent okay
thank you
uh bethesda house uh two hundred
thousand dollars for cara house
so that is
all the appropriations for the contracts
it will be
a contract with
bcni
or three separate contracts depending on
how it will be done
out of the particular department the
question i have for that 1.75 million
dollars uh are there any contingencies
associated with those three projects
yes
the 500 000 there's a contingency miss
porterfield the intel projectile project
you're calling for a community benefits
agreement yes
can you please elaborate
for actually
for
any work that they're going to be doing
and using um
you know people to do the rehab so my
ask is for their film to work with ron
to come up with a community benefits
agreement to make sure that people from
the city um and from his program
specifically as well are um
people that work on that project are
able to work
is there any funding
contingency associated with that
so um
actually i'm glad you brought this up
because this is this money is actually
money that they would be using to
leverage
and so um us doing this would leverage
money from the state so this is one
group that is doing lots of leverage
with the money that they're getting so
um
we could put it in there i don't
anticipate they're going to have a
problem with that but it's up to if
everyone thinks that we need that but i
don't anticipate that um being an issue
because again this is really to leverage
other money
um for the state
the contract obviously can speak to that
right that we're going to give them 500
000
but they're going to have to you know we
have a contract with them we're not
going to get the money like that right
they have to have the other funds in
place right
okay um
so that was bcni the three projects
um electric city co-op was a million
dollars um
are there any contingencies associated
with that
i mean i think i think they are also
seeking additional funding so i think we
should attach a contingency that um
similar to the one that we use
that cycle
okay and
is there a dollar amount contingency do
they have to raise i mean this is
a question unless you just want to
authorize the contract and let the
departments handle it
i don't know what funding they're trying
to raise and i just want to speak to it
if the council wants me to speak to it
when i draft a resolution right i think
that we we have to speak in terms of the
project value
okay that does it for the total project
value that they're asking they're asking
what they state
okay thank you um
hamilton hill art center was 1.2 million
dollars any contingencies associated
with that project
was that their toll uh was that for the
total project was that well what i have
here is different than i think what they
may have provided in a revised
so i think they asked for 1.7 on here
yes but we've always proposed we didn't
get cut okay if we're funding them in
full then
there's no i don't know if there's
additional funding for the project i
can't speak to that i see that
um
we did have the budget and as i recall
in the budget they had already had um
other things covered so if we wanted to
if we put the contingency it can't hurt
because they already um
i was going to say that just for clarity
and just be on the safe side just put
that in there that uh
additional funding
um
i don't know if there's a contingency
associated with that um let's look at
this and see what's the value
expansion to hamilton hill learning
center the requested amount was 1.3
the project cost was 4.1 according to
your documents i think that we should
have that also there for this project
contingency upon showing proof that
additional funding
uh boys and girls club i believe that
was being funded in full yes that's
correct ywca
um
the critical needs i think that was just
a covers programming for them
the harbor house was 750 thousand
dollars i don't know
we need to attach a contingency on this
was it that wasn't the full amount how
much i don't know i don't think so it's
1.5 1.5 yeah so we need to attach the
same contingency
proof of additional funding needed
proctors was the full amount kiwanis was
the full amount stockade we already
discussed which will be covering
the additional funding habitat was 500
000
um i know this for project by project i
don't know if there's a contingency that
the council is looking for on that
i don't think for that one because it is
project by project
only asking right no no i understand
yeah uh scout for the homeless program
the funding goes directly to the program
obviously if the council wants
additional funding for that
sorry vcna
we're using the money that we are
allocating proposal here tonight for the
leverages towards applying for money to
the state right
so
i don't want to say this but if things
doesn't go
in the right way
should we put a contingency in there
that the allocation will be based upon
receiving additional making sure
100 000 for their homeless program
um i assume that there's no contingency
on that
okay that's just for the program right
and then bethesda house for cara or
bethesda for cara house with 200 000 um
i imagine that this goes to the
programming costs and that's already in
place so i have is cara house no no cara
house for supportive housing yeah their
ask was 8.5 8.5 and million
i think
okay i don't have the
column header here
yes
8.5 and the proposal was 400 thousand
for an application so that's 400 000.
i think we need to do this also here too
okay
kara's house what about cara's house
okay
um so i'm left with all the the
council's authorizing all the contracts
that i mentioned with contingencies for
the stockade association contract where
they have to come up with the additional
funding
to match the project cost bcni for the
infill project
a cba
and also
funding
contingency
electric city co-op funding contingency
hamilton hill arts center funding
contingency cocoa house
funding contingency ywca
for harbor house funding contingency
bethesda house for care house funding
contingency that's what i have
yeah i know we touched on this but i
just wanted to bring it back on table
should we put a timeline on this maybe
like 12 months
i think we should because we don't want
to open the end on this i mean we can
always come back to the table on us to
review
and amend the
resolution to give them additional time
but at the same time we should
lock them in to let them go you know
aggressively towards seeking additional
funding i say that mystia is gone but mr
gray is still here so we could ask him
on that
about
uh
yeah i would say you know i would say
and we have to let it pass where we
come before us where we review and we
extend it for additional time so i think
we need to do that i will give this
agency more you know a push to go there
aggressively
seek funding seek out organization to
help them fund these projects that's to
meet the contingencies
12 months from the date of execution
so
just to wrap that up so tonight we are
getting 11 383 857 and that will take us
towards
a total of 42.0805.97
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go ahead so we're talking about
timelines is there any way to
incorporate that in the previous
projects or did we already like i think
we did that at 12th of december one
agency on december 31st
and
there was one contingency that i
mistaken or two
yeah there was one for um
america and craig if you guys can help
me out today
give them
to come
to seek
water agency support from other agencies
yes and the aquatic center
of course tour diversity somewhere
so we were more aggressive towards the
aquatic center
so happily because my i just want to be
clear that uh
in that meeting um i was
against putting any extra contingencies
upon if we're going to have
contingencies then we need to be
consistent with our contingencies across
the board um and we need to recognize
that um people's capacity to
complete their projects and so i just
don't want us to be putting extra
contingency upon smaller
grassroots organizations if we don't
have the same expectation for everyone
else
i think that's what we're doing we are
attaching contingency on any project
that is seeking additional funding
so that they will come to us and let us
know that they are receiving additional
funding they turn our timeline time out
yeah so yeah we have been doing that so
just contingencies around funding and
then there's contingencies around the
timeline so i'm saying is that
projects that we awarded money to um
already the allocated funding tool um
that we give them
the timeline as well so it's just
something new that we're doing now we're
gonna try to retrofit into what we've
done before so
the last runs any agency that we approve
funding and if they are seeking
additional funding or we partially fund
them we ask them we attach a contingency
and we attach
provide us with uh proof that you're
going outside seeking additional funding
from our agencies
you know i i i'm familiar we are doing
the same thing here tonight
i'm familiar with the addition seeking
additional funding what i'm saying is
that we're talking about the timeline i
just you know we asked a gentleman here
and he was saying yeah
12-month timeline did we give everyone a
12-month timeline that we
um i mean i know you wrote
probably started right now some of the
agreements uh misconceived do you do
have we been consistent with giving
everyone that gear timeline yeah i don't
know what contracts have been entered
into yet i haven't seen any contracts
that have come across my desk for review
yet
but any contingency that the city
council previously approved would be in
the contract because
that's just what has to happen when the
city council passes something i have to
reflect the contract has to reflect what
the city council authorized
please i'm just a little worried about
the hamilton hill arts center
that's where we want ron to
where so i want to make sure that that
doesn't get held up because ron might be
able to not be able to get the funding
to pay these individuals
is that what we're
no no
okay so for um
the well hamilton hill arts center was
just a funding
that's the one where
we're looking for community benefit
agreement from where they would have to
work with ron but that's a contin
correct me if i'm wrong that's a
contingency where they have to agree if you're going to
get this money from the city you have to
have this other agreement with the city
where you're going to use oh they're
going to and they're going to pay the
people that ron has put through the
program okay my misunderstanding i
thought we would have to have that they
have a contract with yeah okay bring
those folks on and this project would
not happen if they don't receive
additional
so so just to be clear they were going
to have to hire someone anyway right so
the point of the higher okay i thought
we would have to come up with the
funding through right okay i'm going to
see you guys
any other discussion before we move this
so we have a motion to move uh this
evening 11 million 383 857. so
have a
second
no i'm going to second it all in favor
aye thank you
um
you want you want with also authorizing
the contract yes contrast with the
containers
the funding but also authorizing the
contract and with the contingency as
outlined
by mr coleman and myself
can you do that one more time just make
the motion to get it out of committee
this i want to be on this cliff
any other business
government operations award we have two
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agenda items um first one is information
technology systems um
presented by mr mayor who was
actually we have like from like 10 12
years ago one piece documentation and
nothing in there so we john and i have
been working on this for almost more
than a year now
police department
corporate
so this is this policy will be very good
for us for the
any compliance we try to match you know
it asks what do you have policy
you know any grant verify any you know
payment card or anything security we do
uh even cyber security policy this is a
must you know so that's why we're
proposing for that in uh uh including
personal policy uh coming years
the city deals with delicate information
day in and day out obviously and we have
a lot of systems employed whether that's
out in the field with a code enforcement
officer with a tablet whether that's
over at the police department whether
that's you know somebody accessing city
hall to go get a birth certificate or
whatever it is their emails their
correspondences
so it's looking to have uniformity
across the city um when it comes to you
know electronic communications elect you
know whether that's as i said emails it
could just be inter interfacing on the
internet right using web apps using
whatever um so it's creating something
that's standard and um this policy also
takes into consideration the retention
policy that the city council has
previously approved because that's
obviously very serious and something we
take seriously in the law department
obviously because of foil um and i know
that that's incorporated in here about
you know we talk about deleting emails
and you know getting rid of
correspondences so people don't do that
right if you're using you know a city um
a city computer a city you know
telephone smartphone whatever it is
you're not deleting communications and
if you do
this policy is telling you you can't do
that you have to follow what the foil
law says and you can be held responsible
if you don't right it's about you know
not giving access to
um non-employees um you know
either via you know cell phone or
computer
anything in our systems because again
it's you know it creates a potential for
you know data to get out somebody to get
in right viruses etc
yeah do we have data encryption
in place here
yeah i mean we do have the default
microsoft uh you know
description higher order stuff yeah so i
mean
yeah and the secret like you know we
don't have any classified classified
messages that's why we well no but i
mean even at the college we have
encryption of your data
and uh it's a higher order than
microsoft so that's what i was asking
yeah
sorry
i was just asking about confidential
stuff
to discuss
you know confident
a lot of things can you know i'm sorry
right you know confidential no nothing
else you know this is all fine for here
right but you know there's obviously
confidential information that gets you
know sent via email
yeah we definitely take care of in this
policy database policy you know like uh
remote access policy like uh android and
something there
so uh we have like uh
look through each you know even the
police department some people use this
personal phone or something department
based on something so it still does
those phone if something is there that
is used for business so in case of
something we can ask for that phone to
look to it something like that
so i know um growing up in the military
there's training for absolutely
everything and i think when we discuss
technology i think it's fair to
understand that people's understanding
of how to use technology appropriately
is not the same so is there any way that
you'd associate maybe like an in-person
discussion or is the expectation
and you're communicating
yeah so i think after this is you know
my plan is to send it to each employee
like we do and we know that we should
play there or not you can put something
in there check mark to stay you know
read it or not if it's you
know and if i may frankly you know
assuming this passes
you know this is something that
talks to my staff about all the time you
know that's that's natural for us to
talk about that you know but the
expectation would be you know department
heads i think read this information ask
questions to i.t if there are questions
talk to the staff
and see if the staff has questions that
could be relayed if there are questions
right
i think there has to be open lines of
communication on what to do with this
information there's so much of it
right you know whether that's you know
hopefully you know we're not using our
personal cell phones all the time to do
city business right that's obviously
because honestly when you do it that's
the communication that you know if
there's ever
a lawsuit or something like that it's
potentially discoverable
you know which is why i prefer things to
happen you know if i a phone call is not
going to show up right if i talk to
somebody and if somebody wants to send
me something i tell them to email it to
my to my work email because now it's
backed up on the server whereas if it's
on my cell phone
um you know nobody guts it right because
nobody will know what's out there but me
and then i have to you know be obviously
honest about it which i would be
you know i think but i think generally
the thought process here is let's have
the policy in place
um let's you know get it out to the
staff let them review it let them ask
questions let department heads you know
ask questions and you know relay
information if need be to
um to id and to belong
so we're saying let's get the policy out
there to staff
um and let them
um kind of ask questions uh have we got
any feedback on our policy thus far we
shared it with anyone yet
so more than the feedback we're trying
to
establish the accessible use policy like
you know your password how many
characters you should have the password
it's like you know what you watch you
should do you know like like can we say
that you know you do not do the text
message but do the email for any
official business so that you have the
record of that
because we followed the new york state
oil
policy and you know we had like you know
we have mentioned like so many things
you can do cannot do
all these things we have included we're
going to summarize it and put that over
here
and to be frank like this is a
i think you know putting this together i
know gowan worked with um chris marnie
in my office on putting this together
and obviously with john coluccio
this is a relatively a relatively
objective document
and it really does safeguard because
obviously the interest here is on the
city right we're trying to protect the
information so it doesn't get out
inadvertently
or you know i say inadvertently through
channels that are not
the foil system or other ways to get
information and also
you know i know the mayor has mentioned
this many times before we have people
who try to infiltrate the system and
it's easier to infiltrate the system if
people are um
you know if we don't have a policy in
place right where we can hold people
accountable to follow a particular
policy because then there's you know
some i don't say subjectivity to it but
there isn't a standard right by creating
a standard which is this is what it's
doing it's creating a baseline to
protect the city from both people trying
to get into the system and information
that frankly should not get out of the
system social security numbers
personal addresses because sometimes we
do email um pcs of personnel changes
right and that would have
that information in it we want to make
sure that that somehow does not get out
in public because i don't want my social
security number out there right
you know i don't want you know people
can find out where i live probably by
looking in you know the white pages if
it exists anymore but it shouldn't be
getting out through a personnel change
so we're trying to you know i think give
create a standard for everybody across
the city in terms of dealing with this
information
and
you know it may be that at some point in
time this is going to have to be adapted
as technology changes as our needs
change as laws change
but i think as it stands right now this
is a
baseline of what the city really needs
in terms of
um creating a level of protection for
um
for the city and also for the employees
you may have mentioned it here but i
just i don't think we have a lot of
mobile import employees but if we do
have people who are traveling are they
restricted and using public wi-fi
accessing the city
so if they're uh uh like when somebody's
traveling outside they can use any
public wi-fi that's gonna talk about yes
yeah so they can use it but you know if
they are using vpn
they will be like protected from that
one so whatever policy we have in the
vpn our network
that will apply to that person so
you know that will be restricted so they
won't be able to visit any
malicious website or something because
that is from our network
okay
so we don't have any policy right now
around uh
i mean there is like you know if you see
like uh
excuse me 12 10 12 years old policy that
can be friendly kathy introduce here i
think she wrote like
one paragraph for the computer policies
and it does not have anything in there
so we really don't have like something
like this kind of house
i think it's fair i'm sorry
i think it's fair to say it was
piecemealed in a way we had a policy but
then there were other things that
related to
um
documentation the retention policy for
example that was something that was
separate and we've incorporated the
retention policy into into this for
example so it was somewhat piecemeal and
you know probably lacking
this is obviously much more
comprehensive than what we've
had so this is um so if we were to
this would be looking forward correct
this is going to be perspective because
it's not a policy until the city council
authorizes it as a policy
so but this would be looking forward
right yes
yeah we're looking forward
okay another discussion
uh
next we have discussion around amending
of city ordinance regarding residency
requirements president brookfield
thank you so as you know we had a vote
at the last council meeting regarding um
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regarding expanding the residency to the
county
um the vote the it passed five to two
uh however the mayor did veto this
uh he sent a letter which all of you
received um explaining why he vetoed it
and i
also and i responded to his letter
explaining you know pointing out some
things as to why we needed to
have um county residents so at this
point in time the next step for this is
for it to be returned back to the
council again at the upcoming meeting to
once again come up for a vote in order
to override that veto
so i bring it back here for discussion
and see if anybody has any questions
regarding either letter that you
received
or anything in general
so i'd say for me personally
going through my first veto i was
definitely very disheartened
i think there was a lot of work that was
put into getting to this point and i
know the mayor mentioned having some
reservations but i feel like this was
delivered fairly completely where i
think
it definitely i believe it doesn't take
into consideration all the time and
effort that it was taken to get to this
point however that is
um
neither here or there so looking at how
we move forward for me personally if the
mayor is
um
really
strongly positioned on not wanting to
have considerations for current staff
whether we discuss it in executive
session i would like to know what staff
he has outlined with the understanding
of does this
substantiate holding up the entire
process
because still
our city is without and i think if the
mayor is making that determination and i
respect his title authority in office i
would like to have more clarification
and support that but without having that
information
i feel like again we are leaving our
city employees to hold the bag and they
have resoundedly mentioned that they
need help so i think that voices that
i've heard thus far of asking for help
far outweigh my
assumptions of what the mayor is
operating off of so i would like further
clarification
any other comments on that discussion
i think my letter was pretty clear and
um you know and i outlined that
we you know the number of openings that
we have and some of them are one
particular department more than others
so again you know for those of you who
um who did not vote for the first time
i'm going to ask you to reconsider
because this is a
where we're putting our staff in a
position where they're
we we heard it today but mr mr wallin
like
there's so many projects that he has to
oversee and then also our department of
development where we're allocating this
money so i think it's worthwhile that we do this and we currently um
have people that live outside the city
at this current time already so
and outside the county for that matter
so um it's already whether we whether we
have it officially or not it's already
happening
so i really think it's it would it
clearly it clearly demonstrates that we
have a need to expand it and this
doesn't just does not just apply to the
city of schenectady
there's an article in the paper
yesterday about how some um
employers are actually coming up with
incentives to get people to work so
staff shortage it's not just something
that's happening to us it's happening
all over and it's really something that
we need to address if we intend to be
effective and and make sure that our
workforce has the support that it needs
so um
again we'll come back to the council for
um to be reintroduced that's what has to
happen after a veto
and we'll come back on next week's
agenda
well so i would just say that you know
initially i was i i was against this and
i was concerned about making sure that
we're um you know prioritizing the
people that live in the city the people
who um you know
uh
and supporting our tax base um
and
so when we put this forward it was my
understanding that we did put it forward
um with the consideration of um
having uh
incentivizing
um you know uh
people who live in the city like right
that's how the legislation did the
discussion is that we would come back to
that that part and yes because that
might even include some bargaining units
right things of that nature
okay so so so you know again initially i
was against that but i think that in the
spirit of what we're trying to do here
um is in the fact that that um
we are going to incentivize and
prioritize
uh people living in uh living in the
city i would just welcome any other you
know kind of comments or discussions as
to why that might not be something that
we that we want to do
okay here we go
so
that i'll make a motion to adjourn
so
second
oh so we're gonna i thought that this
just came back after veto i thought
that's something
but i wanted to bring it back just have
this discussion and let you know it's
coming back i believe you have to pass
out a committee
it's still happening no you don't it
doesn't have to be under the code if the
mayor vetoes it gets laid back before
the council the next council meeting so
it's very clear that it's not committed
yet so so i don't right so you know none
you don't need to intend to take a
motion yes
cool for me
all right so
with this i like to adjourn uh uh got my
operations
you moved it no
did you move that was motion she wasn't
making emotion that was just a motion
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we have nine items on the agenda
uh the first item mr wallam 501 state
street
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for the next committee meeting so just
push that off
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218 so as you're aware we are working uh
as expedited as possible on the central
park project
uh for the construction of the pool uh
the pool will be uh
seated at the existing world used to be
the former tennis stadium site
phase one of the project was we engaged
with a scrapper essentially to remove
all the metal and
valuable items so to speak
from the site that phase was completed
uh two weeks ago this next phase was to
do site
grading and demolition which is uh we're
going to be removing uh trees uh in a
hill that it runs along
the roadway adjacent to there
we're going to do this now to make this
site what's called pad ready for the
next contractor
it's just another step in trying to show
progress and show the community that
we're really moving forward with this
next we're going to be going out in the
near future with the bid of actually the
pool house proper and everything else
but we put this out
our engineer's estimate was between two
and three hundred thousand dollars
and the pricing that we got was for the
most part right in between there
um kevlar and sons
is a contractor that we have not worked
with in recent times i have not really
worked with that much however i do know
that they are
one of the
go-to contractors for union college they
do a lot of work with union college i
have a lot of colleagues at union
college and uh you know they actually
they don't have to bid they're private
they select who they believe does the
best work and they continually work with
keller so to me that speaks uh
well for them and the quality of their
work this project also is pretty simple
in the fact that it is tree dirt removal
we're going to bring some of the dirt
down to foster avenue use it as a cap on
some of that so i'll be able to relocate
some of it so i have no reservations
with this
price or
are there any questions
mr williams oh sorry a weird question
i'll be remiss then you pay for it
during the next family meeting my
brother-in-law is an avid disc offer and
we do have a large community that takes
part in that do you anticipate and then
you can let me know if this hasn't even
been a consideration do you anticipate
any like long or short term disruptions
to the central park disc golfing flow uh
permanent destruction but that is what
we're doing with kenji we've already
reached out to him
and uh our ogs department along with
kennedy we're going to be permanently
relocating these holes to other areas
and kind of reconfiguring it because
with the tennis stadium being abandoned
and not a lot of traffic worked well for
their flow but now when we're talking
about
a new parking lot a pool all these
things he you know in our meetings he
was on our pool advisory committee he
said you know what we walked it and we
have some other areas that we'd like to
disperse so they're going to be
renumbering the holes and creating a
couple of new areas so that they're just
out of this area because it feels like
it's going to be too many conflicts as
we go forward
any other questions i'll move this
second
oh i'll second all those in favor all
right
okay the next item is approval of change
order to seal quote usa inc for the
track field
track ceiling of city streets yeah this
is
um completely at your discretion we are
awarded a sealcoat contract in april
crack ceiling contract i'm sorry the
winning bid was seal code usa
they came in they did a great job
expediting two weeks they went through
all of our budget so to speak but we did
not do a crack ceiling good year prior
um just because of our workload and
coven we didn't do one so we were behind
we did a small change order to finish up
some of the remaining street because it
goes by a quantity basis
but
there's still a lot of need out there
for the city so we kind of came up with
you know we don't want to
you know really uh
take advantage of
you know
doubling the contract so to speak but we
did thought it would be in the best
interest of the city if we you know gave
them a little bit more authorize a
little bit more money to steal coat a
little bit more streets prior to winter
and then we'll put out a new contract
next year um due to our purchasing
regulations though anytime change order
over 20
is at the council's discretion
i don't think it's a bad investment seal
coating is always the number one
preventative maintenance technique that
you can do and we're really trying to
make a case to do with more and more
seal coating every year i think it
actually has really helped some of our
roadways here at boulevard and i'm going
to see that the water is not getting
into the pavement the pavement without
the water isn't cracking apart um the
big goal that we're trying to do is put
together our program so that we're
sealed coating roads
in the three to four age bracket so we
pave it and then three to four years we
come back we evaluate that's usually
when you get the most
smallest most linear cracks propagating
up so
this right now is a little bit more of a
scatter shot we're doing a lot of areas
but still it's our second big contract
this is going to be an annual thing that
we do
are there any questions yeah i have a
question so i remember
some time ago but the mayor was talking
about the smart city initiative and how
that
you know a component of that would be
for us to better uh kind of gain twin
roads and kind of be able to judge the
wear and tear and the roads that we're
using that information that we're
gathering not right now no that is so
no right now what that is relying on is
the mayor is installing optical sensors
we call them cameras but
the technical term is optical sensors
and the optical sensors are going to
monitor a litany of things once they're
all in place and one of them he's hoping
is that essentially they're going to
take a picture of the roadway
even if it's every week really matter
cracks don't happen overnight doing
watching grass grow but they could take
the picture and then eventually you
would notice the deterioration of the
roadway
i don't know i mean i don't even know if
bowen would know if that technology is
there quite yet
but i do know that we're already using
them for traffic
and things like that so the technology
is going to be there we just
i don't think we have enough uh
i i just don't think this area for that
sensor to actually be able to pick up a
crack in the roadway you know so right
now we're doing the what we do right now
is
when we pave a road for the season
uh we put it in the gis as a layer we
upload it into a public portal that's on
the city engineering website and so then
what we do is when going to come here so
next year is 2023 and we're going to
look and we're going to say okay what
roles did we take in 2019 and 2018 and
we're going to go drive those roads
first as a manual component we're going
to drive them we're going to say okay
these roads are candidates the one thing
you don't want is a road with too many
cracks because you pay for this by the
gallon
so it's not costing private to go out
there and just you know go nuts with it
you really want to have center line
seams some cracking if you get it's
called alligator cracking or swallowing
that's a whole other technique so we're
trying to try to skip that but
yeah hopefully in the future we can do
that there's also talk about mounting
things to vehicles you know so that the
vehicles drive the road and they'll be
able to do that so lots of things are
possible in the future
any other questions
obtain the motion so
second all those in favor
thank you thank you very much mr
williams
next item on the agenda agenda is a
ceremonial resolution for national drive
electric week
sweden
thank you so i know that there is going
to be a national our new state capitol
district drive electric week coming up
september 25th it's about putting
together a resolution supporting
that ambition of prioritizing driving
electric vehicles i know the city has
worked
exclusively with making sure that their
vehicles that they're in incorporating
to our fleets are more
electrical and it's also a narrative
that's coming down from the federal
government of how do we reduce gas
emissions so i think it's imperative of
us to further support
these efforts
any questions
answer emotions
second all those in favor all right
the next uh item a ceremony resolution
for national hispanic heritage month mr
williams thank you um
for similar different reasons we have a
very
welcoming and large hispanic community
within our city and i think it's
important to make sure that we
intentionally pause and recognize a lot
of the uh
we just pause and appreciate their
history and the contributions to our
local area so
questions
obtain a motion
second always in favor
uh item number six is um
a reminder that the where there's
there'll be a public hearing on
912 to support the metroplex application
for the restoring new york grant
and um i'd also like the committee to
entertain um another ceremony resolution
if you would uh our our lady of mark
carmel is having their 100th anniversary
and i'd like to be able to give them a
ceremony resolution
um
to recognize that there's no objection
second all those in favor all right
thank you
the remainder of the items on the agenda
are for um
executive session so this time i'll have
to change emotions in executive sessions
so
second all of us in favor
all right we're in executive session and
the public will have to leave
thank you