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Okay, thank you for joining us. Same thing. Same thing is meeting as a combination of select

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board meeting wanted this meeting and the conservation commission meeting.

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The objective of the meeting is to take a look at our water issue, lack of water, and also

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to determine what the proposed steps might be going forward at the best case, so it would

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take as much as two years once we decide on a wall site to actually get a wall of place.

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So this is not going to be a short-term process, it's going to be a long-term process.

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with that please join me to the pledge of allegiance.

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We shall confess the digler right here.

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I'm bigger, I'm bigger, I'm bigger.

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I'm bigger.

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This one's me.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States

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America, the legitimate republic of which stands one nation.

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I forgot, and it is all really just a raw one.

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Okay, put that in.

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We should turn it up with a one or two session.

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So why don't we just take a, I'm Scott Marriant, by the way, a log district commission I've sat in this seat for a long time in the school board number.

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And so why don't we just go around the table, just quickly introduce ourselves and say which board or commission we're on, starting with her honor.

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I'm Jackie Gordon, I remember the live conservation commission.

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And just, if you haven't been in here, you have to press the green button to go on but then turn it off because otherwise we'll get a lot of backlash.

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I'm sorry if you remember Dr. Rackles Foundation Commission.

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Excuse me, Chuck Carroll, Preservation Commission.

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Karen Oliver, Conservation Commission.

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Chuck Garver, Conservation Commission.

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Excuse me, Anna McFarlane, Conservation Commission.

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Tom King, Select Board.

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It was a little like board, it was a little like board, it was a little like board.

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Chris Burr, right here, it's on the right way to district.

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Ralph Hickson, right water district.

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Eric Jones, right water district, super in there.

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Eric Mayor, town council.

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All right, so what we thought we would do is have Chris, I'm going to have six slides of

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very fast. We'll go through some of the issues that we're facing in town, stand why we've

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been having this discussion, and then we'll get into discussion about the specifics

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of the Brown property. So those of us on this side of the table, we have to go over there

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if we want to sit.

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Yeah, so I'll

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just take one slide in the

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rest of it.

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So the current water supply for the railway district, basically there are three wells that

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make up existing water supply, the Garlandwell, Bailey Brookwell, and the Cedar Rundwell.

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Garlandwell is a gravel pack well, and Bailey Brook and the Cedar Rundwell are both bedrock

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wells.

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And so the cedar run well, which is the newest well, the district house, as the degraded water quality.

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There's about iron and vandes at elevated levels in that well as well as elevated levels of TLC.

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And so when the water district turns that well on, it produces water that is consumable.

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But it's aesthetically less than the quality of water that a lot of the customer is with

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it now.

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Like to say.

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And so those with having that well offline, which it typically is, two existing wells,

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have difficulty meeting demands at certain points in the systems, particularly when the summer

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wants.

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So, having that well offline reduces the redundancy in reliability of the system and puts the water system in some of the compromised state.

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So, development of a new water source, which is one of the things the district has been pursuing for a number of years now, would restore that water system capacity and capability.

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We're done to see a reliability that the district and the consumers within the district

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here really desire the,

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that's the less where the system is at right now.

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So the system is, or the district is pursuing, or has pursued the last number of years starting

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about 2018 did a survey of the available properties within the within

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rye that would meet separate requirements for welfare protection has

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looked

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through and has done investigations to work through understanding how these

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sites could get developed and what a quality standpoint they're looking

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of all insulation stamps.

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Some of those have covenant restrictions. Some of those have

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subject issues. Some of those have other issues. But there are a couple of sites within

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town that the district is pursuing and developing. Most of those properties are either existing

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in town property, although it's a single conservation,

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it has a conservation in place on the land.

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So as we move forward, as the district moves forward,

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sorry, as the district moves forward in developing additional

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water supply here to replace or supplement their existing

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sources, really the locations in the areas that

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are available for development as well as the place

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on our areas there in existing conservation.

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the weather protection and general conservation

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are very much in line in that.

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and you can obviously commercial development,

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it's not in line with in an area where you,

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be citing well. You want to keep that in as natural estate as you can and have as natural

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estate around that area so that the well head is protected and the potential for contamination

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is reduced. So with that, I'll pass it over to Scott and Harry. We're going to talk a little

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a bit more about the brown probably.

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So to add in on Chris, I'm actually going to get up.

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So to add in on Chris, can everybody hear me?

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So he's talking about water quality

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and the demise of the well.

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And you've been at the speaking of my philosophy

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because the people who are streaming

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can't hold me over here.

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Oh, no.

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This is.

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Let's toss this.

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All right.

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I'm sorry.

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So, Jackie's holding three samples of water, one from each one of our wells.

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I want to see to run on his daily broke and one is gone.

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I assume that you can see the difference in the water quality.

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So, presently, Cedar Ron has been offline for production since 2018

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because of what Chris said, TOC.

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What is TLC? It's put all organic components. Things that you don't want to see high levels.

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Iron imaginase, iron being more of the biggest issues with C2RON is what's creating the problem with it.

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We're not going to rectify it. There's nothing we can do to that well.

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To treat it, you're looking at about ten million dollars.

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It's a choice of the people. The R1R District has a mission that is to serve the people.

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What is that mission? That mission is clean, safe, drinking water, and adequate fire protection.

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So does the water that comes out of the sea level well, even though it has high iron and manganese content?

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Does it meet the requirements? Does it meet the current state-wide levels for those contaminants?

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Glad you brought that out.

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Presently, it exceeds the secondary MCLs.

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What is an MCL, maximum contamination level?

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What is a secondary MCL?

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That is, aesthetics taste odor color.

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So, presently, the MCL, or the secondary MCL on iron,

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I'm going to use iron because it's easier for me to remember.

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The manganese kind of cold inside it's wet.

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Is 0.3 parts per million.

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We're seeing levels at periods of time of up to five parts per minute, obviously substantially much higher.

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And the manganese is following along with it.

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At this moment, it appears as though an MCL will be implemented for manganese.

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and Cedar Ron is, I believe, double the MCL proposed or definitely, maybe not double but definitely over the MCL will be definitely over the MCL that is proposed.

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It was supposed to come into effect on July 1st of this year. It got post-Home type January 1st.

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Sounds like it made it post-Home again until July 1st of next year.

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myself, but it is common. The other side of it too is, you know, without Cedar

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run online, you have two wells. You just have two wells. That's it. One goes

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down, you have one well. As I showed you, go ahead. So do the other, the water from

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in the other two oaths, will it meet the MCL for Manganese?

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Garland Well basically is no detact on Manganese.

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Bailey Brooke has a below health advisor.

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What they're proposing is a point one for the new compromised

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people and infants.

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If we exceed that point one, then we

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have to do a public notification.

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more than likely if that continues to happen, treatment will be necessary.

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There's several means of treatment possible.

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Blending on the water is water.

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The blood in the water from one of the wells goes down.

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No, we're not blended.

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I just want to clarify this.

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This is an important point, I think.

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If one of the wells, this just takes you to run off right now because, so if one of

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those two wells does both of those wells meet the point one MCL level, magazine one has

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nondetectable, what's the level on the other one?

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Bailey Brock?

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Yes.

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It's right below it.

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Act this person's time.

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just took it, it just the samples,

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407.07, so it's below.

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But the most recent one that I just took is .04.

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It fluctuates.

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So that MCL is good for supposed to be .1.

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So at .07, you're just below.

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So, and the levels do rise and fall,

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but if you blend it with garland water,

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it potentially will meet and under fall underneath that point one value. So again

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going back to the fact you have two wells that's all we got right now that is

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supplying the system. The total amount of gallons per minute, Garland puts up

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an average of 500 gallons a minute, Bailey broke his about 300 gallons a minute

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that's only 800 gallons a minute to the system. You bring on Cedar Run, it does

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assist, but you are severely diminishing the water quality and in the future we will

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be in violation. So it's definitely mandatory, I would say at this point in time that we find

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some other source that is higher in higher quality to fill that resiliency and redundancy

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that's needed. Again, at one of these, while it goes down, you have very limited production

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before Jack.

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It's also important that we do bring Cedar in the summers because of the irrigation burden and it comes on a lot, because we're close to crisis levels in many days there's a summer. So, and that's something we talked about. The high irrigation use over the course of summer. Last year, I was able to keep Cedar on offline. In order to support the system and keep ourselves in a somewhat decent place to fight.

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for fire protection. I had to bring all three wells on at various periods. I'm just giving

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an idea, a short cycle, the pump cycles to fill the tanks so that I was keeping more water

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in the tanks. I would bring Cedar Run online at a much higher level than in the past historical.

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So in the past, I would, the third well would kick on and say 34 feet. I was now kicking

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it on at 36 feet but shutting it off at 36 feet. So limiting the amount of time that I'm

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exposing that water to the system but getting us out of that critical time frame.

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So in order to supply a ton of rye with the adequate water that we needed, you had to use

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all three wells but you used them in a way that when the blended the results of the water

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meant the. No. I cannot answer that because that is not we don't have that information.

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So we don't know, but so

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President, we don't test every day. Okay. So and at this point in time those laws and regulations haven't been put in two

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places. Just for manganese, right? Right. Let's just not talk about the manganese. So you're saying that by using the three

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wells, you can supply water, although one of the wells, the water is not as delightful

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as the other two per requirements of the right water district customers, but the water

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is available and other the manganese, it meets the requirements for healthy drinking water

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has defined by our drinking water standards, is that right?

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I wouldn't answer that no because it exceeds the limit of 0.3 on iron excessively.

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The EPA says that 0.3 is an anything below 0.3 is acceptable.

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Is it for me to answer that that when you've got five parts per million to say that that's

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It's healthy, acceptable water, no way.

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Yes, but that's if you use the water directly, right?

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If you use the zinc injunction with the other two sources.

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Assuming that the two sources are available.

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Right.

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I'm just trying to, the feeling that I have is that we're at A,

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and you want to jump to Z.

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And I want to take us to Z in a way that I understand

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and so that, do you understand what I'm saying here?

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I believe so.

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OK, good.

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Because this is not what we're working together,

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but I want to understand how it is that.

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Because if, for example, we find out the source of water,

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it's two years away, right?

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So what are we going to do between the next two years?

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And people think that one well is coupled, right?

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And we only have two good, but every time you say that,

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That reinforces in the minds of the public that we have, I don't want to put people into

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a panic.

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Is what I'm trying to do.

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You want to see what I'm saying?

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Yeah, we're not trying to panic people either, but we're trying to, but if we don't start

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now, then we're another two years away, and then another two years away.

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And we, you know, we have to start, because if we are in a, or we say people can't water

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belongs. We can't increase the size of the town. And things like that. And I'm fine with

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not one. So you see my law. But there's a lot of people who would object to that. And

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so it would impose a different lifestyle. These are all choices. That's what I've said.

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These are choices that people have to make. And we're just saying it's risky to only have

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to good wells, and if we have the legal rights to look for water on other properties, we would

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be negligent as commissioners to not move in that direction.

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So again, just to put out there that one of the things that Dissert has been doing is

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looking at irrigation control, what type of by-laws can we put into place that puts regulation

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on irrigations, rate studies, structures, and stuff like that.

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So part of another avenue is conservation.

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Controlling the consumption is utilized by irrigation.

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There's a couple of ways to do it.

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Put mandatory restrictions out.

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As you know, well, I've put those out.

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The other thing is changing the rates.

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And that is not a simple thing to do.

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You don't want to hit the customer that

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is already being conservative.

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But you want to be putting something out there that hits home that gets someone to wake

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up and say, oh, I am abusing the water.

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So the other option is tripping.

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In order to treat this water, you're looking at $10 million.

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I mean, you've heard us talk for years and years since I started at the district.

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There's been discussions of a central drill water tripping plant.

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You know, the prices for that has come up over the course of the years.

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Keep in mind that this is the level of service of what our customers have gotten used to.

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It's non-processed, basically non-treated water.

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It's much different than processed treated water.

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You bring this one online and you are going to have to treat it.

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It will have chlorine, it will have a different taste, it will have a different odor.

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It's up to the people, what do they want?

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Could I ask you a question, I just look at the newsletter, if I'm reading the charts

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right, is it true that about one quarter of the population is using about two thirds of

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the water?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Yes, and I put that out there on purpose.

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Right, right.

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Eric also, there's been conversations in the past about an interconnect with Aquarian.

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Right now for fire suppression on the summer time, but perhaps in the future for domesticated

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water.

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Is that still a possibility?

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That is still a possibility.

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We ran into difficulties with the querian, not on a querian's behalf, but because of the

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PUC.

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We were going down a suit avenue, but it's been halted.

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We haven't dropped it.

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We're going to come back to it at a different day.

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However, we have acquired some infrastructure out there that has put

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aquariums, hydrant, and one of the right, eventually one of our hydrants within about 50 feet of each other.

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It's not a connection, but it's a temporary availability.

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That being so close, closes can be connected to the hydrants, our hydraulic grades are similar,

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or a fire pump truck can be put in to support the systems.

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At that same time, we do have an inter-connected reinforcement at our office at 60 Saga Morro,

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which we're in the middle of doing a redesign.

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The equipment that in there is probably dating back in 1955 hasn't probably been utilized

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into the system for production since the late 70s.

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Not something that you can rely on, but we are looking at revamping that and making

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I think we're trying to say, so Bill, it's a good point, Bill, there's other interconnect

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options.

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I think we should be pushing stronger conservation efforts, but I think this is a belt in suspenders

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thing.

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We can't rely on one option.

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So, I'm just going to, we're not here, we're here just because we like each other,

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we're here to talk about testing for water on the brown property.

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We believe based on the covenants and the deeds, and we have an attorney here, so I have multiple

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attorneys here, I know, but I don't want to forget that.

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We have the legal right to do so and to do so carefully, but we don't want to force this

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down into this room.

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We want to work together.

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So we do it in the best way possible and that's why we're here. That's what I want to have this meeting again

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If we wait two years, then we're two years later. And again, not

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Not to scare people, but you need to understand

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There's a lot to providing and securing safe clean drinking water. All our wells are in the same exact area

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If something is simple, it's a fuel truck that could roll over on a snowy day and take

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us out.

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And we're done.

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If we have a well in a different location, that builds, we don't have a resiliency into

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it.

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Chris put up the slide of what we're talking about and what we're looking at.

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Ready through real quick.

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This is the Brown property, which is located up west road.

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So this property is owned by the Ryan Conservation Commission, a managed, I'm sorry,

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managed by the Ryan Conservation Commission, and the Water Rights Associated with the

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Property Management Government by NIA.

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And our CSD, this property is currently used as a public, there's a trail network that's

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connected through the land recently, back in May of 2022, where it appears to be a

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and construction with a district conducted to geophysical surveys, lines, the yellow lines

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that are indicated on the figure there, and identified three primary and drilling targets

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along those lines.

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The target one is the preferred site one and two would be the ones we've been most interested

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in investigating and conducting drilling, one and two are the ones closest to best road, so

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One is actually the one in the middle and two is the one closer to the west road.

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Three is the, it would be the backup if one had tuned in and out to investigate.

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But all three of these are located very close to the existing wood, wood's road that is on,

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the existing, on the property and the investigated with the,

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it's minimally invasive, as possible.

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So

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the wellhead protection for the well is radius of 400 feet correct?

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The sanitary radius SPA is 400 feet.

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The wellhead protection area is much larger than that.

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In some cases, it's not a circle, it's determined by DES by the flow of water and surrounding

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businesses.

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Okay, so the sanitary protection area is 400 feet and radius.

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So how many of the circles is that in square feet or in an acreage?

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Have you counted?

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It's 13 acres,

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it's 502,000 square feet,

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yeah go right ahead.

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So I say that because that's a significant amount of space and parcel is 51 acres and

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And it was purchased for conciliation and the enjoyment of the bribe, of the public,

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tax payers dollars.

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So I think that the consequences of that have to be discussed as well.

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And to add into that too is we are toward the other day revealed that we are a trail system

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that comes through to two of our sanitary protection areas and people on a regular basis

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is almost daily basis, walk through there, what did it dogs, and we don't prevent people

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from doing that.

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So it doesn't, having a sanitary protection area, it's, yes, you would love to keep it and

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shut it down and, you know, board it up and never let anybody go anywhere near it.

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That's the best thing, is that, is that, what's going to happen, you know, as good, I mean,

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for years people have been walking, hunting, all kinds of different activities, nothing

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obviously with vehicles going through the air or something that really poses a risk

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to the wells.

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It's three acres, would you say?

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I mean, yeah, there are 125,000 square feet, 200 times 200 times 3.14, it's a four hundred

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I think it's for radius.

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radius?

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No, it's for you.

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I'll see to you about this afterwards.

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I just want people to be aware of that. And how is that going to be?

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How does that protect the

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There is, Eric said, and it's all a part of that discussion as far as what's allowable

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use within that sanitary reason.

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And dad into that, we've had DES makes decisions on what's allowable and what's not allowable.

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The district could say, oh yeah, we have no problem with that, but we do have to put it in

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in the head of the Department of Environmental Services and as it's been stated to me, there

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are leniency, you know, I mean people walking through as long as you got proper signage

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and people aren't understanding what's out there, I think that's acceptable.

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Again, I'm just reiterating, I mean, we've got people coming through our area daily.

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That

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was standing all of those new trespassing systems.

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Well, and as I said to you, those no trespassing signs are requirements, but they will also put into the location because of the incident that happened in 2020 where an individual decided to go through conservation land and then access water district land with his, with the Jeep.

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So, Erica, I think what conservation is trying to bring up, just so everybody's aware

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of it, is that depending on it, we encourage you to start with one well, or you go directly

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to three from the towns approval, that impacts this land and the accessibility, and there are

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other reasons that this land was concerned. We did get water rights on it. I was involved in that.

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I still think it's a good idea, but I think we have to take it extremely slowly.

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Should we not want to lose control of our solar power?

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I completely agree with you.

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And as we discussed the other day, you know, even though since three targets out there,

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we're not looking to activate all three.

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Again, we drill one.

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That one could come up with, say, 250 gallons a minute and it's got crank, you know, water quality to it.

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That's when we drill say 400 gallons a minute, but it doesn't have good water quality.

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We're not going to target that one for production, we're not going to drill all three and activate

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all three.

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It's all I got.

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And we like that we only have one operational one after that.

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So the forward radius is not for the test wells, it's for the operational well, should we

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get it?

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Absolutely.

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So it's not going to be three of these.

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They're not going to be any, depending on the number.

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It might not be any, but we don't know if we don't look.

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How far off the trail is as well, is the drill spot.

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I mean, I walk there all the time, and I have an idea

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where number one is, how far off the wood

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road would that be drilled?

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I think that's part of the conversation.

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right now that the alignment that we did the survey on was along that wood's

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road to minimize disturbance or what that. So the right now the way that

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we're envisioning, I guess it would be part of the conversation is those test

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wells would be very close to the existing wood's road.

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When you say very close to me in 10 feet, 15 feet, what's very close to me?

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somewhere along that. So it's the intention would be to minimize the disturbance of associated

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with the test well, really. And then we would continue to have that conversation around

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where those, where the results, you know, that out positively said, all right, well, we're

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going to either develop this well as a production well or put a production well close to this area

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because it's, it feels good water, I mean, have a conversation about where that production

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model would be sighted, would it be an improvement today because it has wealth or would it be a production

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model, whether it's, I think some of it would be based on some of that sighting, maybe based

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on if that production well should be a little farther off the Woods Road because the Woods Road

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is the existing access path. So, and I think those are all conversations that can happen

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as this progresses.

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Okay. My question really was, you know, where you do a test well is not necessarily where

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even if it's a good water to find, it would be necessarily exactly where it will be.

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Correct.

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Because so you don't have to identify that prior.

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I

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don't have a question, I just want to make a comment on something that Sally has brought

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up.

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And in looking at the bigger picture, say Brown, Lane Farm doesn't produce anything.

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The owner who let us put this land into conservation central letter to all of us, as I look at the

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picture. We want to take this slowly and be mindful when she lives next door. And two is we

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are talking with several people in town who want to conserve their land. We don't want

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them to take water rights off the land because of going too fast or alienating the people who

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conserved the land. So for me, it's not just brownling farm. It's a much bigger

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picture of when, say, brownling farm works fine, but then the other two wells go.

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Bailey Brookins and Garland, you are going to be looking for another well. And so I

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agree that we have to have education, education, education for the residents of

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that they understand the process.

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Yeah, I think that's a great point.

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And so that is, that's why we're having this meeting.

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It's when we're trying to figure out

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how to move at an appropriate, but respectful

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and the liberative pace, but to move.

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And so that's why we're here.

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I don't have to select many of the things.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I think this is in, you know, the sky's point.

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What we'd like to do would come from this meeting would be a plan, at least the first couple

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steps of the plan.

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What do we do next?

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I think we all agree that we need water, brown seems to be a good location.

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So what do we, where do we go from here?

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This concerns about losing access to the brown property for conservation.

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I'm totally understand that we want to mitigate that as much as possible.

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But how can we work with the Conservation Commission and the water district to again hold

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a cord?

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Can I get that?

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I guess I would answer that and we don't make plans as a commission unless we've all

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had a chance to talk about it.

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We don't have all the commission people here.

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So in my mind there's no actual decisions being made tonight.

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The other thing we have to do is end CRS, isn't it, in RCS?

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Yes.

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I'm getting that.

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They're a big part of that.

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So they had to say, yes, for the geophysical survey.

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You can't even just ask us.

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So coming out of tonight, I think it's more of an informational meeting.

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The public can hear of what may or may not have been.

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but we have to go back and our CS has to know the process.

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Yeah, I accept the fact that it's informational,

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but I think that I'd like to get a timeline.

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When is your next meeting?

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Conservation.

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The second Thursday of the month, October 13th.

451
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Okay.

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Would it be possible to have meeting sooner?

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I'm not going to speak for the whole commission,

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But I can tell you that the sidewalks alone this week were taxing on the volunteers, but

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I can always ask.

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I mean, we would have to say that we would have to submit the written plan to PANRC

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as not you.

458
00:39:06,130 --> 00:39:09,250
So that's, you know, that's not, is that not ready to go yet?

459
00:39:09,830 --> 00:39:17,680
No, so we, you know, it's, so keep your meeting on October 13th and we're lucky to get something

460
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:18,400
done that fast.

461
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:23,880
And so, these things don't have to operate in sequence, they could operate in parallel.

462
00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:30,500
You guys can have immediate, because ultimately, I believe it's NRCS that will give us the

463
00:39:30,500 --> 00:39:31,440
approval or not.

464
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:37,220
It's not, you guys don't have, I don't say, it's nasty.

465
00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:39,320
You don't have the approval authority, right?

466
00:39:39,420 --> 00:39:41,120
It's NRCS, as I understand.

467
00:39:41,500 --> 00:39:42,480
We have the need, though.

468
00:39:43,180 --> 00:39:48,100
I mean, we can approach them and say, you know, they weren't with us to get the water

469
00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:53,440
rights on this property. So we were in touch with them when this was happened. Their turn

470
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,140
around is extremely slow, so don't count on them to rush us along.

471
00:39:57,240 --> 00:40:00,160
We never count on anyone to go fast, so I'm fortunate.

472
00:40:01,180 --> 00:40:05,640
And I think, you know, I think conservation, like I said before, the water rights were put

473
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:10,940
on that property deliberately. We're not unaware of the water crisis, but as Jeff pointed

474
00:40:10,940 --> 00:40:18,500
out and Eric confirmed minority of people are using the majority of the water and the

475
00:40:18,500 --> 00:40:22,060
majority of that water is going to irrigation is my understanding of what Eric said.

476
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:32,980
So we're going circles here. I mean if we could control drinkable water being casually

477
00:40:32,980 --> 00:40:37,520
treated that would solve a lot of the problems that got us where we are now.

478
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:52,380
I think so. It would a short term, but we're looking at expanding on the US one. We're looking at. I mean, it's going up. We're looking at 180, but it's going up potentially in the next two years.

479
00:40:52,840 --> 00:41:04,380
So that's the one that somebody in it's right. Bill, but I think when you approach as if let's make this about using conservation land for more water.

480
00:41:04,980 --> 00:41:17,580
That's not going to be a symbol of a lot of people, because it shouldn't be about development, future development, it should be about sustainability or what we've provided so far as Eric's own with my foot.

481
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:23,280
You know, we're trying to get back up to speed, not see how many people, you know, additional buildings we could put in.

482
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,460
I don't think that's the way it approached.

483
00:41:27,780 --> 00:41:32,360
I think we probably have a different sort of opinion a little bit.

484
00:41:32,660 --> 00:41:36,400
I certainly understand your position, but I think our, from a slight voice standpoint,

485
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,320
our commitment is to provide the highest quality of services to our residents.

486
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:47,860
And if the residents want irrigation, that's part of what our commitment is going to help.

487
00:41:47,860 --> 00:41:55,900
Now we do have commitment in place by water district to come up with some mitigating

488
00:41:56,820 --> 00:42:01,460
controls during irrigation. So the irrigation is going to be a period back.

489
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,640
Number one, we're going to add some additional cost to it to dissuade people from the irrigation.

490
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,800
Number two, we're going to limit the irrigation itself.

491
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:18,220
So, this isn't a one-time, it's an combination of, I think, programs to be able to solve the problem, this is just one.

492
00:42:20,020 --> 00:42:23,300
So, I agree with you on that. It's not just a one avenue.

493
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,340
But Eric, can I interrupt you for a second? Eric, can I interrupt you?

494
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:28,500
Yes.

495
00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:33,480
You gave us some, we had a site walk with Eric yesterday?

496
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,300
Two, Tuesday.

497
00:42:38,100 --> 00:42:46,140
And you gave us some numbers on irrigation and I think from the noise I just heard in

498
00:42:46,140 --> 00:42:49,460
the crowd here if you could actually go over some of those numbers again.

499
00:42:50,340 --> 00:42:58,680
So in the conversation that I had with all of the commission the other day is that I reached

500
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:03,400
out to one of the bigger irrigation companies in battlebought.

501
00:43:03,980 --> 00:43:13,460
So numbers of how many customers we serve, and the size of the irrigation systems, and

502
00:43:14,050 --> 00:43:25,040
basically the quantities of what those systems were using and that equates to about 1,800 gallons

503
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:29,840
per service, not service, I should say, per customer,

504
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,800
and that equated to about almost 400,000 gallons a day

505
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,380
just in the ones that he's serving.

506
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,020
You know, are those super-pacurate numbers?

507
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:44,140
It could be, it could be a little bit, it could be a little bit.

508
00:43:44,740 --> 00:43:45,280
I don't know.

509
00:43:45,700 --> 00:43:48,760
And that's definitely not encompassing all the other

510
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,880
private systems that he's not serving,

511
00:43:52,100 --> 00:43:53,380
other irrigation systems.

512
00:43:53,380 --> 00:44:00,320
So there's a substantial amount of water that is going directly out on the ground just to grow grass.

513
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:10,380
You also told us the other day that it's really high summer, really hot summer days.

514
00:44:11,340 --> 00:44:18,640
The wells produce 1.1 million galas, and would you say 7 to 800,000 of that?

515
00:44:20,740 --> 00:44:28,980
And average daily production in the off season is about 250,000 to 300,000 gallons a day.

516
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:30,260
That's like a baseline.

517
00:44:30,660 --> 00:44:37,680
Now, you do have some more people coming in in the summer season that adds into domestic

518
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:38,160
use.

519
00:44:38,820 --> 00:44:40,420
I can't really calculate.

520
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:46,140
I can tell you that our seasonal customers are pretty low use costumers, they generally

521
00:44:46,140 --> 00:44:47,340
don't have high use.

522
00:44:48,060 --> 00:44:57,120
where the additional people coming in is people that are actually year round and having more of their family members and stuff like that.

523
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,600
So in 2020

524
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:28,500
I think we have experienced in upwards of 1.1 to 1.2 million gallons produced out to the system during the course of the 24 hour period of time. My assumption is at least, somewhere 700, maybe even 800,000 of that was out to irrigation. That's saying, taken the 250, the 300 average to bulk it it up to 400,000.

525
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:32,280
and then you guys, the remainder is 800,000.

526
00:45:32,660 --> 00:45:34,660
So that's, am I positive?

527
00:45:35,060 --> 00:45:37,000
No, but that's...

528
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,020
But you're educated.

529
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,020
Right, I've all been educated.

530
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:41,100
Yeah, that's a lot, yeah.

531
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:42,140
That's ridiculous.

532
00:45:42,540 --> 00:45:42,640
Yes.

533
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,220
When people don't have water to drink,

534
00:45:44,420 --> 00:45:45,540
or we're worried about that,

535
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,120
or water to put up fires,

536
00:45:47,620 --> 00:45:48,760
and they're putting it on their lot,

537
00:45:49,140 --> 00:45:54,220
I think we really need to do some warrant article work

538
00:45:54,220 --> 00:45:57,600
about no irrigation or minimal irrigate,

539
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,380
really restrict ourselves on irrigation.

540
00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:02,200
I agree.

541
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:03,220
Yeah, I know.

542
00:46:03,580 --> 00:46:05,680
The challenge we face, to be honest,

543
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:06,860
is the limo we're wrestling with,

544
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,500
is we have mandatory restrictions right now,

545
00:46:10,020 --> 00:46:13,280
drive around town, you see a lot of really green lawns.

546
00:46:14,060 --> 00:46:16,020
We don't have the moped patrol,

547
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,640
like, you know, they do for parking enforcement of beach,

548
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,740
unless we get those kids to get up early.

549
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,680
We don't have an enforcement mechanism right now.

550
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:24,940
And so it's building an infrastructure,

551
00:46:24,940 --> 00:46:31,120
again, when I come back to the belt and suspension, I am strongly in favor. I think it's a crime

552
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:38,340
in the amount of people water. Bluegrass doesn't belong here, but we have to do more

553
00:46:38,340 --> 00:46:38,720
than that.

554
00:46:39,580 --> 00:46:44,340
I'll add in something to that too, Scott touched on it. I mean, the district is pretty limited

555
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:52,880
staff. There's myself as a working superintendent and then I have two guys. You know, just today

556
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:57,220
one of my guys called me, it's like, hey, we're still in restrictions, and I said, yes,

557
00:46:57,340 --> 00:46:57,660
we are.

558
00:47:00,060 --> 00:47:06,160
I instructed him, if he desired to approach the property owner, to be cautious, just

559
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:12,260
inform them, educate them, don't put them in a situation where they're feeling harassed.

560
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,940
We've had on numerous occasions an attitude developed where, well, I've got the money I'll

561
00:47:16,940 --> 00:47:17,420
pay for.

562
00:47:19,340 --> 00:47:30,680
charge them. So charging is will not stop them and they don't care. The only way to stop them is to limit your

563
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:38,820
engagement rights. Can we just get back on it? It's like 20 times a and I'm thinking that we should get

564
00:47:38,820 --> 00:47:45,580
back to the matter. I'm sorry. I just you know work that way. We can deal with this in a separate

565
00:47:45,580 --> 00:47:49,000
issue because this is a bigger problem as anything.

566
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,280
It's something we talk about at every meeting.

567
00:47:52,260 --> 00:47:52,380
Okay.

568
00:47:52,660 --> 00:47:53,760
So yes.

569
00:47:54,260 --> 00:47:54,580
Okay.

570
00:47:55,380 --> 00:48:06,180
So just what are, knowing what hour can we then regroup after our October meeting and you

571
00:48:06,180 --> 00:48:15,380
do the work that you feel that you need to do and we can be in this meeting after our meeting.

572
00:48:17,940 --> 00:48:21,260
So what we would like to do is we would like to move forward

573
00:48:21,260 --> 00:48:23,200
preparing the application to our CS.

574
00:48:24,380 --> 00:48:25,860
We're not going to submit it.

575
00:48:26,060 --> 00:48:27,880
We'll talk and we'll share internally.

576
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,620
But we don't want to wait until after October 13th

577
00:48:33,620 --> 00:48:37,880
and November 13th, wherever it is, to wait to get to go ahead

578
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,720
to even prepare the application.

579
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,540
So all this could be fit in around other all time jobs.

580
00:48:43,540 --> 00:48:51,040
As long as you're understanding that you filling up the paperwork is not a consent or not part.

581
00:48:51,260 --> 00:48:52,980
We understand that.

582
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:55,280
Thank you.

583
00:48:57,420 --> 00:49:00,860
If you have, it would make a lot of sense.

584
00:49:01,900 --> 00:49:03,420
I can't promise that.

585
00:49:04,740 --> 00:49:07,160
How about if we see it before you give it to NRCS?

586
00:49:07,380 --> 00:49:07,860
That's what I said.

587
00:49:07,860 --> 00:49:10,240
That's what I said.

588
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:16,060
I meant it's entirely internal to arrive to the state.

589
00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:22,720
Yeah, I'd also, I think what I'd like to do is come away

590
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:24,320
participating with a template.

591
00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:27,200
We don't need to put dates in everything.

592
00:49:27,340 --> 00:49:29,120
But the first thing is that obviously you

593
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:33,380
have to meet an application in CRS, a copy

594
00:49:33,380 --> 00:49:34,700
to you, let's look at it first.

595
00:49:35,300 --> 00:49:36,500
But then what's the next step?

596
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,300
The next step is they're going to say,

597
00:49:39,300 --> 00:49:44,360
This is a fabulous plan, and we're going to submit it to NRCS, and Ralph will run

598
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:49,600
it in spite of their delays. They have a required 30 or 60-day turnaround on this stuff.

599
00:49:49,900 --> 00:49:53,220
So let's try and remove the ball down the field.

600
00:49:53,560 --> 00:50:00,120
Which we understand, but I think we don't want you to get to a point that there's implied agreement.

601
00:50:00,820 --> 00:50:06,980
Let's say that we come to an agreement on concertation or a recommendation agreement.

602
00:50:06,980 --> 00:50:12,200
that we think one well drilling like you picked the one that you thought was

603
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:18,180
most productive potentially which is in the middle of the property target one and

604
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,720
we'll stay there until we figure out what goes on. I mean that could be a

605
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:27,080
recommendation from us. It could be and you know I would ask Chris Erick to

606
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:34,320
weigh in on that you know it might be just might be more cost effective

607
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:40,660
I have water effective to try to put it as long as you're out there, two holes in the ground, but I don't, I'm not the water engineer.

608
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,100
Can I ask one question about that?

609
00:50:45,740 --> 00:50:57,220
Well, number one, I saw the overlay of the Bruno Pools, which I know that Ray passed.

610
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:07,440
which he didn't bring that to our meeting, our recent meeting, but well number one is

611
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:13,360
not near Bernouple. Well number two is right next to a Bernouple. And we have, you know,

612
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:18,640
Bernouple's, we have three major Bernouple's on that property. And they're extremely important,

613
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:24,940
and that's part of the reason NRCS is, you know, as our partner in this. So what Sally

614
00:51:24,940 --> 00:51:30,920
saying is well number three doesn't look that great if you're looking at all the stuff

615
00:51:31,580 --> 00:51:38,060
that Greg Smith gave us. So I think it's reasonable to start with one and kind of unreasonable

616
00:51:38,060 --> 00:51:43,180
to think about two because of where it's located. That's just a layman's purpose.

617
00:51:43,380 --> 00:51:44,280
Sure, viewpoint.

618
00:51:44,500 --> 00:51:52,840
Yeah, one of the things is that this is a Beirut phone you're hoping to find water fairly deep

619
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:54,480
down in the ground and have those fractures.

620
00:51:54,740 --> 00:51:57,600
If there's no fracture intersections that we're looking for,

621
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,520
be deep and not shallow.

622
00:52:01,700 --> 00:52:04,820
One of the reasons why I see a rod is compromised,

623
00:52:04,820 --> 00:52:06,880
that it is, it's got a number of fractures

624
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,260
sort of higher up in elevation,

625
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:10,700
so it's pulling that,

626
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,780
it's seeing connection to the ground

627
00:52:12,780 --> 00:52:14,700
to the surface water,

628
00:52:15,180 --> 00:52:16,560
and so it's pulling that organic carbon

629
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,040
in from the surface water there.

630
00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:21,400
And so, one of the things that have been

631
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,380
and as part of the permitting process

632
00:52:23,380 --> 00:52:26,980
with, through the state, for a large groundwater withdrawal

633
00:52:26,980 --> 00:52:30,580
permit as well, is that we do a review

634
00:52:30,580 --> 00:52:33,640
of all those environmentally sensitive factors associated

635
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,400
with rental pools and wetlands and making sure

636
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,400
that this well is minimizing or not impacting

637
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:43,320
rental pools or wetlands associated

638
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,120
with production at that level.

639
00:52:45,740 --> 00:52:46,300
So,

640
00:52:48,660 --> 00:52:54,320
you know, taking a look at that, too, and making sure that if we were to drill garbage,

641
00:52:54,780 --> 00:53:00,280
it did not impact or are minimally impacted, and those are normally sensitive factors.

642
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:05,720
But, again, you know, we don't necessarily need to have that discussion to go down that pathway.

643
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:12,700
I do just want to remind everybody here that the funding for this, we spent six years leveraging

644
00:53:12,700 --> 00:53:29,620
and 544-something-thousand-came from NRCS with the protection of the burnables and so people should realize that because the price of the property is 625 so we made up very little of this.

645
00:53:29,900 --> 00:53:35,220
So we really feel an incredible obligation to the water resources on that property as we should.

646
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:41,560
Absolutely. And so does NRCS, obviously we can't do this without their approval. So they

647
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:48,940
know where the work was started. I think it's protected on both ends. So I just started

648
00:53:48,940 --> 00:53:54,400
feeling I just briefly chatted since this is not a work session, but it's a meeting.

649
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,180
We probably have to take public comment.

650
00:53:59,830 --> 00:54:04,030
The mic doesn't work, so it didn't come there.

651
00:54:04,030 --> 00:54:11,270
And so if anybody has a comment, two minutes, limited?

652
00:54:17,380 --> 00:54:18,200
My

653
00:54:33,470 --> 00:54:38,630
name is Joanne Price, and I reside at 19 Park,

654
00:54:38,830 --> 00:54:44,290
Rejavano, and as a tax paying member of the community,

655
00:54:45,050 --> 00:54:49,450
this is really the first time I've been aware of the seriousness

656
00:54:49,450 --> 00:54:51,310
of the problem.

657
00:54:51,310 --> 00:54:59,890
And so I think I heard somebody say that you've been aware of it since 2018, is that correct?

658
00:55:00,650 --> 00:55:04,730
I'm wondering why it hasn't been addressed previously.

659
00:55:05,610 --> 00:55:10,650
It's a very important part of how this community will prosper.

660
00:55:12,980 --> 00:55:15,660
Have you looked at other possibilities for the well?

661
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:21,740
Why have you just decided on this particular location?

662
00:55:22,740 --> 00:55:30,320
would seem that the way you described the possibilities that one of the other two wells

663
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:39,860
could very well also fail in some fashion, that you really need a master plan of water

664
00:55:39,860 --> 00:55:43,920
use and water availability in the community.

665
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,820
This seems like

666
00:55:49,820 --> 00:55:57,080
an attempt to do something quickly and to get it over with.

667
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:06,880
It doesn't seem to have been any consideration of really letting the public know how serious this problem is.

668
00:56:07,820 --> 00:56:17,300
I think that if everybody knew how serious it was, they would be willing to do some of the

669
00:56:18,620 --> 00:56:23,260
things that are necessary to make the water available to everybody fairly.

670
00:56:27,090 --> 00:56:33,370
Also, it brings up the thought that should there be a hiatus on any development

671
00:56:33,370 --> 00:56:37,550
because we may not have the water to provide for it,

672
00:56:38,690 --> 00:56:47,850
it requires the water district to really have a master plan of some sort

673
00:56:47,850 --> 00:56:55,550
that looks to the future and requires the select board to think seriously about what

674
00:56:55,990 --> 00:57:05,210
measures they should put in place to help the public know what we're facing.

675
00:57:06,190 --> 00:57:11,810
Certainly civilizations in the past have had to leave their locations because they didn't

676
00:57:11,810 --> 00:57:13,190
have enough water suddenly.

677
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:19,510
I don't know really how serious this problem is, but it sounds very serious.

678
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:26,110
So I'm thinking of the future, and I'm thinking that plans should be made not just for now

679
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:27,550
but for the future.

680
00:57:28,510 --> 00:57:30,930
So just for, I don't know, I'll try to understand.

681
00:57:31,250 --> 00:57:34,130
So thank you for your comment, first of all, very insightful.

682
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:40,770
We are not required as public bodies to respond to every comment, because otherwise we'd be

683
00:57:40,770 --> 00:57:41,630
here too tomorrow.

684
00:57:42,070 --> 00:57:42,230
I understand.

685
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:47,170
Yeah, so we meet the first Wednesday of every month at nine o'clock at 60 Sagamore Road.

686
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:54,090
I promise you this is not the first time this on your special period of obsession, of

687
00:57:54,750 --> 00:57:58,870
master planning or it doesn't go to sleep at night without thinking about this.

688
00:57:59,590 --> 00:58:03,590
So I invite you to come to our meeting and we could talk in more depth about this.

689
00:58:03,830 --> 00:58:08,050
Yes, I'd be very interested in knowing what you're going to do, not just think about it.

690
00:58:09,110 --> 00:58:09,930
And that's why we're here.

691
00:58:10,250 --> 00:58:10,650
Thank you.

692
00:58:10,650 --> 00:58:12,410
So I can just make a sweat comment.

693
00:58:12,670 --> 00:58:14,950
This isn't the only location that we looked at.

694
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:18,590
We have looked at several locations over the past several years.

695
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:24,530
So last year in 2020, we drilled on our own property,

696
00:58:25,170 --> 00:58:28,170
looking up for a backup well to Bailey Brook

697
00:58:28,170 --> 00:58:30,890
and a replacement well for Cedar Rhine.

698
00:58:31,230 --> 00:58:35,210
We ran into issues that I do not wish to speak up

699
00:58:35,210 --> 00:58:36,830
at this point in time, but it's meeting.

700
00:58:36,830 --> 00:58:45,850
We also looked at conservation property behind grand property that was 2019, if I remember correctly.

701
00:58:46,430 --> 00:58:51,430
We also looked at conservation property off the cedar run at the same time.

702
00:58:51,650 --> 00:58:55,770
So this is nothing, though, and it's not the only place we've looked in.

703
00:58:55,890 --> 00:58:58,630
We're not focusing directly on the brown property.

704
00:58:58,910 --> 00:59:00,870
If that helps, do you understand?

705
00:59:02,270 --> 00:59:02,450
Right.

706
00:59:02,970 --> 00:59:04,070
Thank you for that.

707
00:59:04,070 --> 00:59:05,510
Yeah, you're welcome. Thank you.

708
00:59:07,130 --> 00:59:07,570
Other?

709
00:59:13,900 --> 00:59:15,760
It's okay if you don't have to make a comment.

710
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:29,360
Excuse me, the one for 31 Wallis Road, I think is Eric knows, I've been reading the

711
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:35,420
water meeting minutes for a good several years, and I do know that you guys have been looking

712
00:59:35,420 --> 00:59:39,540
for miles and addressing this stuff, but like Joanne said, I am very concerned about the

713
00:59:39,540 --> 00:59:45,540
bigger picture. The aquifer is a big math problem. I don't know if we have our arms

714
00:59:45,540 --> 00:59:50,660
around that. Aquarian is looking at drilling warm wells because they haven't

715
00:59:50,660 --> 00:59:55,660
eaten. It's all one big aquifer we're pulling from and I really don't think we

716
00:59:55,660 --> 00:59:58,040
haven't got a handle on you know the

717
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,980
Does the math, how much water is in the aquifer, how much can we get out, how good could it be, what's the demand, how much we pull, and with the development that's going on and approving, I do not have a great feeling about our high level thinking and the math. I know Eric thinks about it and doing it, but I think the town has to do it together, just not put all the pressure on Eric. I think this is a huge issue.

718
01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:35,400
for the entire, for the town. All right, just not the people that live in the right water district.

719
01:00:36,740 --> 01:00:43,560
So I don't mean it's like Eric Eric said he's got a small staff and you know I think they're

720
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:49,800
going in 100 miles an hour just to keep the water we have going and so these are bigger problems

721
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:54,160
that need some more horsepower from somewhere to help us get to the inches quicker.

722
01:01:13,610 --> 01:01:16,890
I don't have anything new to say.

723
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:20,870
I wanted to add on to what the two people have formed said.

724
01:01:21,470 --> 01:01:27,430
It feels like we need a plan not from you guys on another well.

725
01:01:28,010 --> 01:01:35,390
But a plan at a higher level where we're not adding 180 units and then drilling a well

726
01:01:35,390 --> 01:01:44,350
to meet the hundred new units. Right? It feels like it's a all-interconnected, and it needs to be

727
01:01:44,350 --> 01:01:52,270
led in that way. So, seeing your minutes while informative, and we know you're smart, and we know this

728
01:01:52,270 --> 01:01:59,490
is a solid plan, and you guys have conservation, and you guys want to add more affordable housing.

729
01:01:59,490 --> 01:02:02,770
these things have to go together or just don't work.

730
01:02:04,090 --> 01:02:06,310
And those two spoke more eloquently,

731
01:02:06,670 --> 01:02:08,390
but I didn't want you to think of me two people

732
01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:09,270
to help that one.

733
01:02:09,650 --> 01:02:09,950
Thank you.

734
01:02:10,670 --> 01:02:12,230
That was very eloquent.

735
01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:14,830
And that is what we're doing is we've

736
01:02:14,830 --> 01:02:17,910
been select men have been coming to our meetings

737
01:02:17,910 --> 01:02:19,450
and working on these issues because we

738
01:02:19,450 --> 01:02:21,650
know about 180 unit.

739
01:02:22,110 --> 01:02:23,030
We don't have the water.

740
01:02:24,250 --> 01:02:25,950
So it's not like we're going to put a minute

741
01:02:25,950 --> 01:02:27,530
that pray for water.

742
01:02:27,530 --> 01:02:34,370
And so they have to come to us, but the boards are independent, but it's a separate

743
01:02:34,370 --> 01:02:39,470
election, separate entity for your water district, just like the school board is

744
01:02:39,470 --> 01:02:42,590
separate from the select board, the school board doesn't report to the

745
01:02:42,590 --> 01:02:48,250
select board similarly. So that's why we all work together now. But I think it would

746
01:02:48,250 --> 01:02:54,030
be worth it to hear all the work that right Pierce has been doing for us over the last

747
01:02:54,030 --> 01:02:57,110
five years to try to help deal with this problem.

748
01:02:57,650 --> 01:02:59,410
So we don't have to go to anybody there.

749
01:03:00,990 --> 01:03:09,970
So back in 2018, Ray Pierce was engaged to start diving into and understanding a little

750
01:03:09,970 --> 01:03:13,970
bit more about where the potential for wells in the district.

751
01:03:14,530 --> 01:03:21,630
So we did an overall evaluation of the available properties, available that we have the appropriate

752
01:03:21,630 --> 01:03:27,250
to setbacks for the ASCVCA and came up with a number of sites that I've been working

753
01:03:27,250 --> 01:03:33,010
with, the district, to review and evaluate those over the last couple of years.

754
01:03:34,290 --> 01:03:41,870
And like Eric said, we did a number of geophysical surveys across those properties that were

755
01:03:41,870 --> 01:03:49,370
available and ended up doing some test well investigation on the right water district property

756
01:03:49,370 --> 01:03:59,790
and the other sites that had now moved beyond the geophysical investigations.

757
01:04:00,510 --> 01:04:06,250
Beyond that, there's from a planning perspective, the districts engaged in a lot of asset management work

758
01:04:06,250 --> 01:04:14,330
over the last number of years, and this year, we'll be working on a larger overall project

759
01:04:14,330 --> 01:04:26,950
that will be doing some population projections, doing some demand analysis that will help inform some of that master claim that

760
01:04:29,220 --> 01:04:31,880
was talked about earlier in the public comment.

761
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:50,500
So those things are being thought about by the district and those tasks are being accomplished and addressed over the next year to be in set to your own project that we are engaging in on the ass management side effects over the next couple of years.

762
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:59,060
So it's definitely something that will be working with engaging with town and the conservation commission on getting input into it.

763
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:09,420
Also, we spoke about the 180 units, those aren't whole, those aren't approved, and we'll

764
01:05:09,420 --> 01:05:14,020
represent the planning board, so come back to the water district, the water district states

765
01:05:14,020 --> 01:05:17,520
that we don't have enough water to be able to allow that to continue, so that's thought.

766
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:22,160
But we're balancing a number of things here, we're balancing the water needs, we're balancing

767
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:22,740
conservation.

768
01:05:23,580 --> 01:05:30,780
We're also balancing the need in the community for workforce housing, and for lower price

769
01:05:30,780 --> 01:05:38,500
housing and what we have on a zoning order is our 20% of all the condos that are put

770
01:05:38,500 --> 01:05:43,680
in and have to be set aside for workforce housing. We have 90 condos which are in a process

771
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:50,400
of going in which gives us 18 units of workforce housing and we put 180 in. That's 36 more.

772
01:05:51,060 --> 01:05:56,400
So we've got major things we're trying to balance here. Some of them are more important than others

773
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:01,720
But we do and people are challenging us to say let the number of families come into town

774
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:08,460
That's going to be through workforce housing. That's all we that's the only opportunity we have as we all know the

775
01:06:09,780 --> 01:06:16,500
The town has been reassessed and our assessed value in the town was 2.4 billion dollars

776
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:22,660
Last year with the new assessment we're not the 3.4 million dollars

777
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:31,420
So we have a billion, almost a 1.1 billion dollar increase of homes have gone up by 48 percent.

778
01:06:32,500 --> 01:06:37,200
Young families are not going to be able to live in a town and pay a million dollars for a house.

779
01:06:37,860 --> 01:06:41,760
So we're trying to be able to provide some workforce housing in the process as well too.

780
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:44,280
So there are multiple issues we're looking at here.

781
01:06:44,660 --> 01:06:47,460
And I like Susan's point about the criminal pools.

782
01:06:47,460 --> 01:06:53,600
I think these are things that, you know, that's a good opportunity to understand some of

783
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:54,660
my concerns or concentration.

784
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,740
And I think that that's something which the Water District could work with, but, you

785
01:06:58,740 --> 01:07:06,780
know, to Scott's point, the Water District is an independent organization, and they're

786
01:07:06,780 --> 01:07:08,220
separate from the town.

787
01:07:08,620 --> 01:07:13,420
So we're trying to work with them and help them go forward, but they're going to take

788
01:07:13,420 --> 01:07:14,980
the lead, and they're taking the lead on us.

789
01:07:24,850 --> 01:07:31,150
Just to put a finer point on what Phil said, the last real big tract of land that's

790
01:07:31,150 --> 01:07:34,950
available on Route 1 is the Frosky Land which is about 100 acres of land.

791
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:42,450
We've seen projects that have been projected for that for like 60, 70, 80 units at one

792
01:07:42,450 --> 01:07:46,530
time and going back to the water, we've made it pretty clear to everybody over there

793
01:07:46,530 --> 01:07:51,590
that this cannot be supported because we do simply do not have the resource water to do it

794
01:07:51,590 --> 01:07:57,810
period. And it just cannot happen unless we have sufficient water and it doesn't look like it's

795
01:07:57,810 --> 01:08:01,710
going to happen anytime soon. So these 100 unit are not going to be built.

796
01:08:06,500 --> 01:08:14,200
If I was like to make an observation or statement, the select board has been encouraging the water

797
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:19,840
district to work on this, to deal with this issue for several years now.

798
01:08:20,620 --> 01:08:29,340
at least, I think tonight our goal is to be sort of neutral but emphasizing the need

799
01:08:29,340 --> 01:08:31,940
for everyone to work together because we have a real problem.

800
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:39,880
That said though, you've got an entity that is not under the town and an entity that

801
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:48,020
is part of the town commission that are attempting to but need to work together, but just like

802
01:08:48,020 --> 01:08:57,060
any other commission or land use board, they can't deal with theoreticals. Just like a

803
01:08:57,060 --> 01:09:02,900
homeowner going to the planning, zoning, demolition, HTC, it doesn't matter. You've got

804
01:09:02,900 --> 01:09:07,680
to have a plan, it's got to be written. The board has to be able to review it, commission

805
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:14,280
has to be able to review it and talk about it and make a decision, recommend or not. So,

806
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:23,180
So I think as far as an action plan tonight, you can have a sense of who's going to do what.

807
01:09:23,620 --> 01:09:31,260
But I think personally right now the burdens on the water district put together a plan in writing and

808
01:09:31,260 --> 01:09:39,220
present it to conservation commission because they can't, you can't approve this.

809
01:09:39,220 --> 01:09:46,980
Just like you wouldn't approve a private developer coming to you and saying well, this is kind of what I want to do

810
01:09:46,980 --> 01:09:49,780
Let me throw up a slide and put some bullets on it and say

811
01:09:50,620 --> 01:09:53,500
This is what I want so that that's not

812
01:09:55,420 --> 01:09:59,680
That can't happen tonight and I don't think it can happen very quickly

813
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:05,980
But that's the path that Bill was talking about that we need to start moving out this my observation

814
01:10:06,620 --> 01:10:16,500
You know, I think it would be good, so I'm afraid we could get some understanding of conservation, so what they need, specifically, and they sure they want to just to provide that to your point.

815
01:10:17,480 --> 01:10:25,580
I think we know that. I think, and just as good faith in Tom, we didn't come with a written plan to make it seem like it was a done deal.

816
01:10:25,580 --> 01:10:29,580
So it came to have a conversation before we created a plan.

817
01:10:30,140 --> 01:10:32,840
We seem to have to go ahead to create a plan.

818
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,740
It's not going to take months.

819
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,540
It's going to take more on the order of weeks to create a plan.

820
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:44,560
But the plan that we would write for NRCS would be the plan that these guys would review.

821
01:10:44,740 --> 01:10:46,580
We're not going to do two different plans.

822
01:10:46,820 --> 01:10:49,200
One for conservation, one for NRCS, one plan.

823
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:50,540
That's the next step.

824
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:51,760
That's the action step.

825
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:52,780
It's on us.

826
01:10:52,780 --> 01:10:58,760
We have another joint meeting, and we talk about it.

827
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:04,800
And for example, would that have the level of detail that you would expect someone coming

828
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:06,460
to a planning or zoning board?

829
01:11:07,260 --> 01:11:10,880
So we're going to respond to NRCS with every point.

830
01:11:11,140 --> 01:11:15,060
Okay, so what you're saying is that you're not going to give them what they need, you're

831
01:11:15,060 --> 01:11:15,920
going to give NRCS.

832
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:22,000
My example, I mean, just the first step is the entrance off of West Road to this property.

833
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:29,440
is not going to be conducive to large vehicles just because of the traffic, the

834
01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:34,960
gate, and all the rest of that. I mean for a conservation you're going to have to

835
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:39,840
have something that NRCS doesn't care about. They don't care about what you're

836
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:43,560
going to have to do to reconfigure that intersection or not intersection of that

837
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:50,420
road to have large vehicles go down there. Where you're going to put your control

838
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:57,080
station where you're going to put your generator in your fuel tanks all of

839
01:11:57,080 --> 01:12:01,340
that may be all that goes into NRCS I don't know but those are the kinds of

840
01:12:01,340 --> 01:12:07,500
details they're gonna care about I think they're gonna care about it and that's

841
01:12:07,500 --> 01:12:12,040
the kind of details that any land use board is going to need to make a decision

842
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:19,380
about a project so it seems to me I'm here to disconnect here and that you want

843
01:12:19,380 --> 01:12:24,460
coming in at NRCS, okay, these are our sites and this is the topography and maybe this

844
01:12:24,460 --> 01:12:31,660
will affect our pool or not. To me, that's a far cry from what they need, which is we're

845
01:12:31,660 --> 01:12:38,860
going to trench 10 feet deep for water pipes from West Road, a thousand feet out into concentration.

846
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:45,040
So I'm just saying, I think what you're talking about is not what they're going to need, so

847
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,360
Do you know the requirements for the NRCS plan?

848
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:49,300
Can I interrupt you?

849
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:49,420
No.

850
01:12:49,420 --> 01:12:50,220
Because I don't either.

851
01:12:50,620 --> 01:12:51,220
That's all I want to do.

852
01:12:51,300 --> 01:12:53,100
Are you saying that there is a disconnect?

853
01:12:53,420 --> 01:12:56,440
I don't see a disconnect until we figure out what we need.

854
01:12:57,100 --> 01:12:58,740
We're here to walk around.

855
01:12:58,920 --> 01:12:59,640
I can easily activate A and answer this.

856
01:12:59,820 --> 01:13:00,180
Thank you.

857
01:13:01,260 --> 01:13:04,240
It's a warranty easement deed and it's exhibit D.

858
01:13:04,980 --> 01:13:06,880
And if you guys don't have it, I can give it to you.

859
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:10,600
But it was part of the whole process of purchasing money.

860
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:11,440
Oh, I have that.

861
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,860
Yeah, I have that.

862
01:13:14,860 --> 01:13:20,340
the proposed locations and access for the test wells and identifying every step of the

863
01:13:20,340 --> 01:13:27,020
way. But yes, I'm going to reread this and see if there's anything else that maybe

864
01:13:27,020 --> 01:13:30,280
conservation would be interesting to do. Actually, the whole commission is going to do

865
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:35,840
that, not just me. But I keep coming back to the education piece, probably because of some

866
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:36,760
of the public comment.

867
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:43,020
Because you said, you know, 2018 and I remember walking out for

868
01:13:43,020 --> 01:13:45,880
a brand, I think that is a big piece of it,

869
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:49,720
of maybe including why those weren't pursued,

870
01:13:50,340 --> 01:13:53,660
so that you can show, you looked here, you looked here,

871
01:13:53,940 --> 01:13:55,880
and maybe why it wasn't pursued,

872
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:57,380
and that's why you've come to here,

873
01:13:57,480 --> 01:14:00,060
because I'm guessing a lot of people don't know the history

874
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:01,420
of this process.

875
01:14:06,060 --> 01:14:07,980
I think this is gonna be helpful.

876
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:11,100
Your comment or?

877
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:11,680
My comment.

878
01:14:12,380 --> 01:14:13,540
We'll judge that.

879
01:14:14,860 --> 01:14:16,360
What is happening tonight?

880
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:21,580
And what is happening in the town of Rye is not an unusual situation.

881
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:28,260
The majority of the water supply companies in the Hampshire are very similar to the

882
01:14:28,260 --> 01:14:29,100
Rye water district.

883
01:14:30,220 --> 01:14:41,680
So I would love it if this group became an exemplary example of how to handle a difficult

884
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:50,440
problem in a thorough way and involving everyone. And I think there's room for that.

885
01:14:55,190 --> 01:14:59,810
That was helpful. And I just want to say I agree. I think this is the first step and I'm really

886
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,820
I appreciate being asked to come to the table to talk about it.

887
01:15:07,220 --> 01:15:32,340
I probably am pushing my luck here, but it's not the other way around. I'm going to hold this in my motion for a second. Let's assume that we have the heavy meeting, the consummation as a meeting, the proposal was put together by the water district permit at RCS, submitted to the committee. You can take a look at it in the sector. And what's the next step beyond that?

888
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:37,800
then they're able to submit it if we okay okay so we they submit it based upon

889
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:43,640
no. Here at Italy they'll just say this is perfect submit it or we might have to

890
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:48,560
have another meeting. I'm guessing the latter but but let's just hope that we

891
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:53,840
could move look let's not hear so but I'd love to be able to submit somebody by the

892
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:59,760
end of the year the latest but we'll see. So I would also consider a meeting of our

893
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:08,400
group again after our public meeting because not that I want to name more meetings but I

894
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:12,240
think it's important because I think one of the reasons why we have an audience today

895
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:16,980
is because this is a big deal here and so I think that it's something that we should encourage

896
01:16:16,980 --> 01:16:22,540
you to come to again so we should be scheduled immediately after our meeting in October.

897
01:16:24,140 --> 01:16:32,880
So just assuming that RCS reviews this how long that they have, you said 30 days, 68.

898
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:40,240
Okay, so they would come back with a either rejection request for more information,

899
01:16:40,440 --> 01:16:40,720
et cetera.

900
01:16:42,180 --> 01:16:45,580
And but once we have their answer, what's the next step?

901
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:51,580
If their answer was positive, then that

902
01:16:53,750 --> 01:16:58,250
point in time, assuming, you know, approval from the

903
01:16:58,250 --> 01:17:03,130
conservation commission, it would be scheduling the actual test well trial.

904
01:17:05,480 --> 01:17:09,280
Doing the things we need to do to make sure that access is appropriate, where the controls are

905
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:14,840
in an inappropriate way, and getting that, at least, depending on how the plan is written,

906
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:18,720
and felt installing those test wells,

907
01:17:19,420 --> 01:17:22,600
proving out for an activity of the actual wells.

908
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:23,920
Well, or wells?

909
01:17:24,440 --> 01:17:24,560
Yes.

910
01:17:24,740 --> 01:17:25,620
So it might start with one.

911
01:17:26,660 --> 01:17:29,240
I think all we need to point out also

912
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:32,580
that the sanitation radius that was one of the failures

913
01:17:32,580 --> 01:17:36,180
of one of your wells, because of an offsite,

914
01:17:36,940 --> 01:17:39,540
these two of these three, I think, I believe go offsite.

915
01:17:39,900 --> 01:17:42,860
So you're going to have to engage with private landowners

916
01:17:42,860 --> 01:17:48,620
to even be able to accomplish majority what you're talking about unless there's something

917
01:17:48,620 --> 01:17:53,900
yeah unless what Chris said earlier is that if the test well could be close to the road but

918
01:17:53,900 --> 01:17:58,980
the operational well the production well could be further inside the property it still goes

919
01:17:58,980 --> 01:18:05,580
over then yeah currently the way it looks it goes over yeah the radius is based on the test

920
01:18:12,900 --> 01:18:20,620
Let's just say that before we had this growth in the town and before we had three wells,

921
01:18:20,620 --> 01:18:24,300
let's just say we were at x, right?

922
01:18:24,540 --> 01:18:27,160
And now that we have that well, we are below x.

923
01:18:27,780 --> 01:18:31,420
And with the new well, we're just going to be back at x, correct?

924
01:18:32,340 --> 01:18:36,460
So we're greeting ourselves back to a standard level of water production.

925
01:18:37,020 --> 01:18:37,220
Correct?

926
01:18:38,300 --> 01:18:38,820
Thank you.

927
01:18:39,440 --> 01:18:46,640
Yeah, let's also not forget this X plus drought and so X plus climate change.

928
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:50,160
And so that's what we're dealing with as well as population growth.

929
01:18:50,660 --> 01:18:58,140
And so which is why we need restrictions, which is why we need more sources and we've done this.

930
01:18:58,140 --> 01:19:03,440
So we need it all, but we'd love to work with conservation and conservation.

931
01:19:04,480 --> 01:19:09,300
I think we also need slow growth, slow growth and no irrigation.

932
01:19:10,100 --> 01:19:13,620
I mean, we can't, you can't just keep digging holes and getting water.

933
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:19,120
We have to slow growth, we have to limit or eliminate irrigation.

934
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:23,900
Just, you get new irrigation, just has to be one of those.

935
01:19:24,060 --> 01:19:26,120
I will sign your petition to our article.

936
01:19:29,900 --> 01:19:32,820
Just one last comment before we close up.

937
01:19:33,740 --> 01:19:38,380
I was on a New Hampshire Senate Commission on Coastal Risk and Hazard going back like

938
01:19:38,380 --> 01:19:40,680
was 2015 and 2018.

939
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:46,780
One thing which we did with the Engine Errors and also the scientists of UNHC and Cornell

940
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:53,280
is that they're projecting that within the next 50 years that we're going to have as much

941
01:19:53,280 --> 01:20:01,100
water as we have currently as far as rainfall in the rain. The West Coast will have a substantial

942
01:20:01,100 --> 01:20:08,200
reduction in water over that time period as well as south. So we're going to be benefited from this.

943
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:15,360
But the downside is that these storms will be coming in bigger buckets. So instead of having one

944
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:21,060
inch rainstorm now and one inch in five days, we're going to get maybe a six inch rainstorm,

945
01:20:21,060 --> 01:20:25,660
I don't think for a month and a half, and the problem with getting these rainstorms in

946
01:20:25,660 --> 01:20:31,080
big buckets is that it doesn't recharge the groundwater a lot of it is so soft in the

947
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:31,780
ocean, etc.

948
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:38,420
So we're going to be taxed in the future to probably have these wells, but see if we can get

949
01:20:38,420 --> 01:20:43,120
to all to the aquifers and find another source of the water going forward.

950
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:49,940
And Phil, I'd like to put some context into the restrictions that have come up and people

951
01:20:49,940 --> 01:20:54,440
talked about restrictions on water use and irrigation and that kind of thing.

952
01:20:55,240 --> 01:21:03,020
One of the many things I've learned recently is that most people would know

953
01:21:03,020 --> 01:21:05,020
that we do that with our zoning ordinances.

954
01:21:05,700 --> 01:21:10,720
Well, the water district has a parallel set of water ordinances.

955
01:21:11,060 --> 01:21:15,340
I never realized that. They have their own whole structure of ordinances

956
01:21:15,340 --> 01:21:22,260
and those take precedence over ours in some things.

957
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:27,360
And there is obviously, if we both put in an ordinance

958
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:30,460
about irrigation, I don't know what the lawyers are going

959
01:21:30,460 --> 01:21:32,220
to say about who takes precedence.

960
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:37,720
But that was an issue is that they've put some restrictions

961
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:42,540
in their ordinances, they've asked us to do the same in ours

962
01:21:42,540 --> 01:21:50,140
for this coming warn article process, to me I asked the question of why would we do that

963
01:21:50,140 --> 01:21:54,300
because now you have one that one of them takes precedence, the other one's going to

964
01:21:54,300 --> 01:22:00,040
be occasionally correct as it matches and anytime there's a change, one of them's going

965
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,580
to probably get out of step and not be current.

966
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:10,860
So when you need to understand that we don't control, we don't think we can control that

967
01:22:10,860 --> 01:22:14,620
As a select board for the down, the water difference has to do that.

968
01:22:14,940 --> 01:22:22,260
They've asked us to do that also, but that's a little confusing and I'm not sure it's black and white.

969
01:22:23,540 --> 01:22:30,120
So that's part of the master plan, but for now, Suzanne, do you guys have any more?

970
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:33,420
It's kind of a haircut.

971
01:22:35,420 --> 01:22:41,400
So, I think if you want me to answer that question, or certainly if he can.

972
01:22:41,860 --> 01:22:48,040
I mean, there's ways of crafting a townside ordinance so that in the event of an inconsistency,

973
01:22:48,220 --> 01:22:51,940
he can provide clarity as to who, which is applicable.

974
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:56,140
And it's usually, you know, just like what the state has its own regulations,

975
01:22:56,620 --> 01:23:01,560
and towns are sometimes empowered to have similar ordinances and regulations

976
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:07,020
on the same subject matter, and usually the solution is the stricter or more restrictive

977
01:23:07,020 --> 01:23:13,540
applies in the event of inconsistency, but I mean the water district does have independent

978
01:23:13,540 --> 01:23:22,820
authority under RSH after 38 to impose regulations as to the use of its system. I don't believe

979
01:23:22,820 --> 01:23:29,960
it has to go to a district meeting, but I'll let their counsel speak to that. Unlike a zoning

980
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:32,380
ordinance which does need legislative body approval.

981
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:39,100
So I just point there is a basically, it's not as simple as us, but it means something like this.

982
01:23:39,340 --> 01:23:42,640
We are not the final say on the water.

983
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:51,100
I just put in one thing is that as the district, D.S. gives us the governing ability to imply

984
01:23:51,100 --> 01:23:53,440
restrictions whether there's a drought or not.

985
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:59,580
If we feel that our system is compromised, if there's a threat to it that, and this is

986
01:23:59,580 --> 01:24:02,600
as rulings that are given out not just to us, but to water

987
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:03,440
prepares.

988
01:24:04,700 --> 01:24:08,860
Town-wise, but understand that Hillary does not serve all

989
01:24:08,860 --> 01:24:10,040
of the town or right.

990
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:12,880
You have enforcement, you have us, and you have aquarium.

991
01:24:13,900 --> 01:24:16,520
Again, we'll go back to the aquifer, you know, right?

992
01:24:16,820 --> 01:24:19,060
So if you've got the district over here

993
01:24:19,060 --> 01:24:21,820
implying restrictions under a drought

994
01:24:21,820 --> 01:24:27,080
or a compromised situation that's outside of just the district

995
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:35,240
It makes sense that other water purifiers or providers are under those same type of restrictions, all of the customers.

996
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:41,000
So this would call for motion to adjourn.

997
01:24:41,340 --> 01:24:43,240
So I appreciate everybody being here.

998
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:45,560
This could be a contentious issue.

999
01:24:45,740 --> 01:24:48,780
We're trying to do not make this a contentious issue.

1000
01:24:48,900 --> 01:24:50,080
I think we have the first steps.

1001
01:24:50,660 --> 01:24:53,400
We have better understanding of what has to happen going forward.

1002
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:59,800
I think the one thing that is paramount is that we need more water sources.

1003
01:25:00,500 --> 01:25:05,580
We probably will have a new water treatment plan for the next five or six years.

1004
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:13,620
It's going to cost us $10 or $11 million and that's coming, so we've got to be prepared

1005
01:25:14,060 --> 01:25:15,120
to face up to that.

1006
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:23,140
Regardless if we find new water, the PFOA's, the PFOA's, the U.S.

1007
01:25:23,140 --> 01:25:27,720
Thank you again and we'll have the meeting once conservation and water goes.

1008
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:29,940
Thanks, Bacon.

1009
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:32,340
This is my quarting.

1010
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:35,420
I was looking to water this train, yeah.

1011
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:37,240
You're like, sure.

1012
01:25:37,580 --> 01:25:38,380
I'm so glad.

1013
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:26,740
Thank you.

1014
01:27:29,500 --> 01:27:29,940
Thank you.

1015
01:27:29,940 --> 01:27:34,320
I think that one of our children is not being planning to be trying to find more food.

1016
01:27:34,740 --> 01:27:37,420
And the mornings are going to take a whole lot of time.

1017
01:27:37,620 --> 01:27:43,360
So the problem is you have to mitigate the problem.

1018
01:27:44,140 --> 01:27:44,820
Yeah, it's vital.

1019
01:28:22,380 --> 01:28:30,260
point that I thought it was going to be free.

1020
01:28:30,260 --> 01:28:30,620
What did you did?

1021
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:33,320
I did.

1022
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:34,400
If

1023
01:28:36,480 --> 01:28:38,740
you were to get a clean car, of course.

1024
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:39,760
Good.

1025
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:51,420
to say I had a great plan, it was up in the middle of May before you got on board the night.

1026
01:28:51,940 --> 01:28:53,280
We didn't want to talk about anything.

1027
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:55,260
Potential side of the RAM property.

1028
01:28:55,480 --> 01:28:56,620
Yeah, so I think I can do that.

1029
01:28:58,300 --> 01:28:59,520
Let me see what we can do.

1030
01:28:59,520 --> 01:28:59,600
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

1031
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:00,540
We're getting too much trouble.

1032
01:29:01,380 --> 01:29:04,020
You know, I'm the position where I'm in the road here.

1033
01:29:04,440 --> 01:29:05,460
I actually see that.

1034
01:29:07,900 --> 01:29:09,080
Nothing else tonight.

1035
01:29:09,980 --> 01:29:11,180
Good, how are you?

1036
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:12,320
Hey, who?

1037
01:29:12,820 --> 01:29:13,040
Good.

1038
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:13,440
I was about to go around.

1039
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:13,860
Good.

1040
01:29:14,900 --> 01:29:18,400
I'll just show you know that I think the batter is a shot.

1041
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:20,680
I don't know if anybody needs it, but okay.

1042
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:24,220
You know, sometimes it's just normal and it's just a tool.

1043
01:29:24,480 --> 01:29:25,140
Oh, all right.

1044
01:29:55,140 --> 01:29:55,540
Yes.

1045
01:29:56,260 --> 01:29:57,020
Yes.

1046
01:29:58,120 --> 01:29:59,640
Don't forget your...

1047
01:29:59,640 --> 01:29:59,980
Don't forget your...

1048
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,160
Okay, for short, so short staff, we have to go down to the morning. Okay, we're good. All right, thank you.