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Council a committee meeting for Monday
September 19 2022 the first item on the
agenda is a presentation of the 2022
Summer Youth Employment Program Mr
Farley yeah so I just at this point I
want to
bring up uh Dr kotto I'm just going to
DC the school district as you all know
on this program
was an extremely meaningful program
however
um so okay yeah extremely meaningful
program and it really required the
support of all the council and I was um
really pleased that we were able to kind
of have our ideas aligned even though
there was something
questions and I think that it might have
not turned out the way we initially
attended but our ability to kind of
rally around our new really
gave us a great opportunity to see what
they can do and give them you know make
some investment in them so I was just
really happy to introduce Dr kotto but
before I did that I just wanted to
express my
gratitude to the council and as well as
the mayor for really supporting this and
we're actually bringing this forward so
thank you and based on what the money is
also I want to thank city council
and the mayor supporting these efforts
as it relates to our you know our youth
Here in Schenectady and the
opportunities that they have this summer
I have provided you know the the packet
that you have has the presentation in it
but there's also some information on the
district and as far as District calendar
our Spotlight things that we highlighted
for last year and some other you know
information as it relates to the
district as a whole as I get started I
just want to kind of share our strategic
plan as a whole this is something that
we kind of start most of our
presentations with
um and I will tell you it completely
aligns with this work that we did with
our youth this summer because at the end
of the day we're trying to grow our own
here in this community so as we look at
the district as we look at community
staff and overall students um as you
look at each of those particular
strategic areas
the youth employment piece definitely
provides access in all those areas it
relates to the district and a whole
again we anchor everything with our
vision our tagline and our core values
these are you know this also kind of
resonated throughout the course of this
summer and throughout the course of the
school year we're still working on that
everyone counts everyone learns I'm
still working on the equity the
collaboration and the hope is that this
is just the start of strengthening those
particular pieces as it relates to some
of this work
and then our four pillars
um which anchors all of this work at the
end of the day our goal is to graduate
our students on time and prepare them
for college and career opportunities but
also skills trades entrepreneurship
Workforce Development really trying to
provide Pathways that provide them with
those those kind of experiences at an
early age so that as they transition
into middle and high school they now
have more information in which they took
the information they need in order to
make some sound decisions around their
career paths as a whole and again a lot
of the experiences that I use kind of
experienced over the summer provided
some of that kind of pathway in some
aspects and in others it was just an
experience that helps to transition on
those leadership skills that are needed
just to be a productive young man or
young lady within our community
so I jump right into our summer youth
program
um this summer we had
265 youth that was served this work that
was done it was done in partnership with
Schenectady connects or some of Youth
Employment so working with Jen vargy and
kind of facilitating some of this work
as a whole they received when we
received over 479 applications out of
those 479 applications the next slide
I'll kind of give a breakdown of where
we where we landed as far as providing
those students those opportunities
but the Partnerships that took place
throughout this process
um were a combination of not-for-profit
government and private sector
organizations we had over 72 work sites
and we've highlighted a couple of them
in this particular slide here with
counseling and training Food Services
clerical retail Landscaping positions
and many others
again I can't thank enough city council
and the mayor for supporting these
efforts the initial goal was to get you
know have 75 of our students benefit
from this program and we did service 75
of our students in the district
in doing that the breakdown as it
relates to the overall percentage and
that that the age range we had those
students under the age of 18 about 65
percent of our students were under the
age of 16 I mean that's 18 and then um
the ages of 14 and 15 about 35 percent
I'm sorry this broke down a little
differently so I'm reading it wrong so
let me make sure that
break it down as a
so all of our students were under the
age of 18. and those that were service
between the ages of 14 and 15 were about
65 percent of the students and then 35
between the ages of 16 and 17.
without the support these 75 students
wouldn't have this access to these
opportunities and they wouldn't build up
around those transitional skills that
have required regardless of the the kind
of job that you have you learn a lot in
every job that you kind of navigate and
all those things help strengthen you as
a leader so there's never the wrong job
it's just how do you process I would
share one of my first jobs with KFC and
I only lasted two weeks but I but I
learned a lot from that experience as a
whole and I think our students whether
it's uh you know whether that transition
is the right one or the experience is
the right one at the end of the day you
gain whether positive or negative you
gain things out of the strengthen you as
a leader
so the program itself you know 20
obtained employment from within that 75
students and they're they have standing
offers within that overall employment
opportunity or a higher you know
within that process their favorable
recommendations from that worksite to
continue within that work so they have
the opportunity to continue within those
particular areas all of our youth were
under the age of 18 and the older
programs that have been working closely
you know for those older ones they're
working closely to kind of support them
as they now transition into the real
world so those experiences also LED them
to that kind of opportunity
from the video and I think I skipped the
video Let's see if I can go back here
just to kind of highlight I'm not sure
how to do it from here let me just go
this way the video that took place over
at the high school that kind of
got some info from our students
yes
she can't even read lips because they're
nice here we go
um another idea I had was like a video
like a student a video company kind of a
way for like students to release TSA and
what are you what we're looking for is
what are your ideas what are your
thoughts when when you first heard the
opportunity hey the city has job
opportunities this summer and it's all
about making Schenectady a more
beautiful all better place not just the
city but also the schools
some of my ideas is for for one I'm a
musical person so one idea to have is a
studio so that kids can express
themselves through music
Ally proponent they feel
um another idea it had was like a video
like a student and a video company kind
of a way for like students to release
PSAs art videos messages to kids the
stuff not to do and stuff to do about
the way to help out hello my name is
Andy Reynold I'm a junior at Skyview
High School and one of my ideas for the
summer deployment opportunity for
students is to initiate a trash can
installation program company
entrance or corners of um relative
Schenectady because of the a video she's
connected houses need any more Synology
and this would help in the long term
because people would actually be able to
use these special ends on for longer
than they would actually be something
just
hi my name is Katie Lee Evans I'm a
software Symphony high school and I have
some ideas for the summer Employment
Program I was thinking that we could do
clothing and do the drives along with
looking for opportunities for younger
children at parks so it's more
accessible and there's more activities
for them there as well if you're a
tutoring right um
painting not just Guru but but painting
trying to talk about first go to bank
always looks good we talked about fixing
up some some more booths and basketball
places in the city yeah
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um so I want to talk about it
at the time they don't work like the
specific one that's going to come up
with the white statues are like you know
indicate
they don't work a lot of time especially
in the outcome outside
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need
Ed another thing that's about
like parts of you know I like basketball
coach and I know kids will come there
literally you know
some more kid-friendly
yeah
right
so then that that overall conversation
with the students was with the two
principals of the building Chris Shank
and Dennis Green just engaging in
conversation with uh which then led to
kind of some of their overall thoughts
and kind of ideas that they wanted to
kind of deliver throughout the community
as a whole with that said I mean after
that video these were these were the
areas that the youth and that within the
partnership as a whole were provided for
students so the food drives the
insecurity that the students spoke of
the Cornell Cooperative Extension roots
and wisdom sitcom Price Chopper niska
Co-op which is some of those partners
that were those work sites that were
provided to the students for those
overall experiences
beautification of the city so anchoring
on some of the things that were
discussed even here at city council
these were some of the overall programs
that were provided to the students
Within These two buckets of focus areas
so the retreat project Hamilton Hill
Arts Center and then the Schenectady
County Conservation District with those
areas within the beautification piece
the parks and other opportunities for
children you know we did have six of our
students that worked through our summer
enrichment program and again that kind
of gets them engaged into that
opportunity to work with students the
goal then is to kind of inspire them and
motivate them to shift into becoming
Educators and becoming teachers within
our district five worked with the Boys
and Girls Club
same kind of concept because those are
some of the areas where our students
kind of Thrive Sports and being involved
in those type of activities and engaging
within our youth uh Girls Inc I know
that that's a huge motivating piece for
our young ladies and that program does a
phenomenal job in the community so
helping them move those young ladies
into those kind of leadership roles
there my side has been a major partner
as well which helps with the stem kind
of opportunities in those particular
accesses my daughter and me which is a
program that runs within the community
as a whole again just motivating and
inspiring young ladies to believe in
self
um in the Parsons Early Learning Center
the one the one I just want to share
there was a young lady that they
highlighted in reference to each
particular site had the opportunity to
recognize their employee of the summer
um and this one was pretty interesting
in the fact that the young lady was
extremely shy before she started but
then as she started to work and working
within you know that the cashier and
having to have the conversations to
build on her overall confidence and
she's actually now employed part-time
within the within that particular CBS
but it's just that story that at the end
of the day once we connect our students
to these opportunities it's just a
startup where that then goes later on
and she's doing a phenomenal job and now
has built on her overall self esteem and
confidence and is out there you know
doing her thing
uh that's that kind of completes the
overall survey I mean here we as the
district have this tagline of
Schenectady Rising I do believe that
this supports those efforts um in the
community as a whole ultimately these 75
students that were supported through
city council and the mayor 75 students
that would have not been supported that
have all had an experience this Summer
that now has either been a continued
throughout the school year and if not
they've transitioned those skills into
preparing themselves for this upcoming
Academic Year in preparing to now kind
of plan for their future
uh Schenectady is something that we lead
within our district as well and as I
mentioned at the beginning we're still
working on bringing all these pieces
together but at the end of the day we're
trying to do all that we can to provide
access to all uh within our community
with that said any questions for me
if that works I'll mentioned so I just want to clarify the 20 and Beyond
so there were students out of the 75
that kept 20 of them are working beyond
the summer yes that they were able to
continue within those and then others
you know depending on whether or not
they transitioned into sports but um 20
of them were sustained throughout
um so next year will it be another group
like give another 75 children a chance
or would we fall back to these children
who already were working in that
Workforce this year I think a
combination and I think for those that
are involved hopefully the the
organizations in which they're working
for they transition into those but I
think I think even for this it was open
to all we focused on the 75 within the
district and then many others you know
also had the opportunity but I would say
a combination if we could I mean because
again some of those particular
jobs may be seeking those same
individuals because some of them are as
young as 14 so kind of roaming within
that overall and we'll we'll connect
with those students as well to kind of
get a better sense on whether their
desire is to continue because it's an
area that they want to you know build
upon us as leaders in the community
very nice
so it seems as though the 75 students it
actually there there were sort of
distinct
jobs and job opportunities for these 75
students within
the larger Schenectady job and
Improvement I forget what the acronym is
but within that Schenectady County piece
these 75 students were held distinct
with the funding that we as a city had
provided which was one of my concerns
when we first talked about it so am I
I'm hearing that correct yes I mean I
think even with the the video itself
ain't good those and so as they met I
mean there's a process to it so there's
an interview process and they they place
the students based on that interview
process but also based on the feedback
that we provided in reference to where
they want to work and there was a focus
for our students in reference to what
that video shared as far as those
different and we had a you know print
out that kind of also spoke to their
overall interested in doing things
within the community as a whole and one
more uh the video was
um before they all Yes
um okay because I know that we had
talked about that initially as well
because it sounded like
um you know that was initially I think
mayor McCarthy's goal was to try to come
up with projects that the students were
interested in doing and it sounds like
the video meant that yes neat and that
video was done even before I presented
that's what I was thinking yeah okay
so that's so and then you tailored some
of these positions to those different
areas
I'm glad about that uh in terms of
funding we utilize all the funding that
was allocated I don't believe we did you
know so I know that there was
conversations around looking
um to the throughout the course of the
school year and supporting some of those
efforts I know some have the 20 have
kind of shifted into the roles
um outside of the school day but um I
don't know exactly the the amount I
think but I know that with the 75 it
wasn't going to
you know hit the threshold of what was
supported to funds
along those same lines I've been getting
a lot of questions like that
um could you send us uh a pretty
detailed accounting of where the money
went to how much was spent in the job
titles associated with not the students
I mean we have that but the
administrative costs and things like
that
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were they each given some sort of
evaluation form or something I mean I
loved the story that you shared
I was just wondering if you had that
down they are I mean there's a there's a
coach that was attached to them
throughout the process as well they post
them through and I mean that coach would
also assess whether they were coming in
on time
um but there's also an end of the
program evaluation that speaks there's
also an evaluation of the interview to
kind of highlight I don't know if that
was a physical piece of paper that was
given and if they kept but I can check
to see if they've kept copies
throughout the process there
I wouldn't say evaluated but they're
kind of coached throughout oh yeah and
then they're provided with a closure
kind of I actually meant the other way I
remember that from when I was working
and participated in this kind of a
program but
um I'm in where the students given
something to evaluate their own
experiences like the young woman's story
that you shared do you think that each
of the subjects I'd just be interested
to see even what they thought about
their experiences I think as a reflect
but even if there if there wasn't like
we can do that you know as a district we
have ways in which to get a reflective
piece but I can check to see if there
was one on on that end but if not we can
do one another so I think that you know
the idea of this young woman who gained
her confidence and and was able to you
know a little bit find a voice uh that
maybe she didn't start out the
experience with is really
um Rich uh and very meaningful so I
appreciate you sharing that that story I
think that you know
our commitment to this program I think
that you know one of the things that to
your point I think can be a really good
point is that what we want to do is we
want to hear from the participants
themselves I think that you know so we
want to you know create um you know
intentionally create some space and time
for us to do that um I think that that would be really really valuable
um not just for our own information but
it kind of reinforces to the students
that we're listening to you and and
we're not just saying here let's you
know write a check and then you just go
get a jet plane we were listening to you
we wanted to see where we can be better
at and you want to make sure that you
know we're hitting the Mark here and I
think so kind of to you know to the
mayor's initial idea around these things
I don't think that you know we have
fully gotten it so I think that's it's a
process that we have to continue to
build on because I think
um
this is a really important kind of
stepping stone piece but I think that
hearing from the youth themselves they
will give us a lot of great feedback and
I so I can't stress that enough so I
think we will create some time space to
do that
any other questions thank you Dr photo
thank you thank you so much
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falterative Finance community and of
course item is a manned agreement to
reimburse Schenectady County for work
for Farms on behalf of the city of
Schenectady police departments
thank you Mr chairman uh this is it
agreement that we've
out of the county for a number of years
this offsets we subsidized the cost of
an investigator in the district's
attorney's office in the uh kind of the
simple uh
recap of the process normally up until
the arrest all the expenses are the
responsibility of the police department
after an arrest then the prosecution I
think goes to the DA's office
Rick Boris who's one of the
investigators in DA's office has been
very intricately involved in the
evolution of the camera system and some
of the technology so he comes in on a
regular basis and staff some of the
stuff to help the police really prereft
some private committed they will cue the
cameras up document the activity which
leads to an arrest and some of that is
Technically when you look at it really
should be the responsibility of the
police department they do it so this
agreement we
pay for some of that to the county and
it's
we don't get down to auditing every
dollar and see there for so many hours
but it's been a very functional in uh
pragmatic relationship that has produced
efficiencies both in the DA's office and
for
Department's perspective and this I
think we're looking for a three-year
contract at twenty one thousand dollars
appreciate the council's authorization
go ahead
um so so um yeah we are but actually we
um passed in January 2021 but what we
passed we didn't um we passed for three
years and and this is according to Mr
Colden was is an amendment to that
agreement right it's to extend it yes so
that we it started in year one and then
three years automatically low renewal
any other questions
may have a motion
second all in favor
the next item is discussion noise
violation and this is the follow-up Mr
palomini yes this will be quick uh just
to keep it keep it on radar Mr paluccio
will be at the next meeting to present
on this issue
um and just wanted to keep it up there
because a couple people were asking
about it and uh due to different things
scheduling conflicts and whatnot it will
be at the next week
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in a class study on this if possible
I'll see yeah
I have to hold it until the next morning
a lot of it's already places like that
okay all right so we'll have this in two
weeks time back on the agenda yeah
the next item is discussion American
Rescue plan Act
no okay
it looks like he's coming hugs well I'm
sure
you want to talk about it I can I can
only talk I can I don't want to speak to
Mr Crowley but I knew that what his um
what the reason he has to have it back
on the agenda was as you all know we've
talked about
it's freeway for me we talked about
it and um so his uh about having a
second round and
um that we when we initially talked
about it that there was much
conversation about the second round and
even on the um
website said that the first money was
the initial round and so Mr Farley's
point was we should be discussing and
making real efforts to have the second
round so that's my understanding of my
conversations with him I don't want to
speak for him
entirely but
that's it any discussion
I should wait I'd like to hear from Mr
Farley
can you see me no I can't and he wasn't
talking to us so I mean he was not you
were talking to Dr Coto I think right
yes
off for two weeks
while he'll be back in the room in a
minute so we can hear whatever he has to
say I don't think he has an obvious
phone
oh
there he comes
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just kind of like tried to recap what
our discussion so you can
disabilities that you have to do this
topic of the article sure so so
um my last committee meeting we
discussed um
throughout the process we talked about
the possibility of uh there being a
second round application process
um and my thoughts on that were that
that's something that we said we were
going to do
um and I just think that if we have the
capacity to do it then we should we
should do it and I but I know that
there's also some considerations that we
have to make around our projects right
so I think that you
we can kind of put our heads together to
see how we can uh manage to do both
things I think that's the way we should
be thinking that's all
right questions in regards
go ahead please I respectfully uh
disagree with opening up the process
again I think that we've spent a lot of
time on the first round and we still
have many applications that we have not
considered from the first round plus I
think that I think we're down to about
nine million dollars that is left in the
original
52.52 million dollars is the last time
we said 10. it was like under 10 or you
know that kind of thing so good
um I wasn't here so two weeks ago so I
you know didn't keep as good track last
that time
um so I just feel like there's still
some projects that um I think each of us
might want to still see come to the
table I don't know when we're going to
have that discussion but um from the
first round so
um I'd leave it at that but I think
reopening another Grant application
process will and I know we have time
but I just feel that it's not fair to
the initial Grant applicants
um that we may not have already
considered so I leave it at that that's
my piece
that's not nice to me
so uh so what I was I I can see why we
might feel that way so I don't I don't
think we're too far apart on thinking on
that which is a good thing but I guess
then I think we should have kind of
framed it differently like um just a
language that we use the Honda City
website
um and you know the conversation that we
had
um in previous committee meetings
um you know the public has an
expectation that for the people who
didn't
um submit the application uh for the
first round that they would have an
opportunity to submit for the second one
so I I don't know that it has to be
either or I think that you know we do
need to look at the funds that are
remaining and still consider um some of
the different projects
that have Rose to the level of kind of
priority
um through the development office as
well as feedback that we've gotten from
stakeholders so I think I think we can
do both and I think we should do both
and I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of
like I know that like having the
advisory committee
um you know some of the um other things
you know I don't think we need to um if we could still do it without those without those uh things
that made it a little the process a
little longer but I do think that you
know again that we kind of need to honor
our word and see um if we can do both
that's the way we should be thinking but
I I appreciate your feedback
once again just want to clarify we
didn't all agree to this and I
understand what you're saying but people
need to understand that wasn't a council
agreement
the if we wanted to have a second round
it would have made much more sense to I
think a pointless the Toro made to stop
around the 26 million point
that would have been fair and it would
have given everybody an opportunity now
we're at less than 10 million dollars
quite frankly uh you know it just
doesn't make sense to me at this point
and I would be strongly opposed to a
second round
so again I I didn't look at the city
website but if it says initial I need an
initial being
how we're starting
first does it mean there's a second I
was never in favor of a second round at
all and there's still quite a few
projects that the initial
Grant organizations put in through
grants that I would like to still push
through
um and how fair is it to them
that and we got 76 million dollars in
requests from the first
initial process so now we have like 9.8
million left to spend we open up for a
second round and there's 80 million
dollars worth of I mean
it's over it's done we have our
applications let's move it thank you sir
okay so um I just want to clarify that
the um idea of having applications it
was not like that was not accountable
decision and to see it really is an
accounts decision that's the mayor's
decision because it's his staff that has
to do the work so it's like we can
express our opinions but as you know the
first the idea of doing the tour is the
idea of opening application process and
all that that's something that's an
administrative function in that how this
all happened so
um I just wanted I I I'm the mayor's
going to speak next so
um I just want to keep that in mind
although we have our opinions
um we you know we've staffed us with the
what the mayor direction is and it was
his Direction on this to have an
application process and
um they asked and I would say that I was
really driving the driving force was
about the advisory committee which I
still do not think was a bad idea it
didn't work out as well as um had hoped
but people got to give input and I will
never say that that's the wrong thing
for our community to be able to give
input and others who you know where we
get to this table right now
um the seven of us however there were
times when when we were the other people
who were just in the community or or as
we refer to people so
of individuals who don't necessarily sit
with us every day that we we ask people
to sit on commission Etc have input and
valuable input so
um so that part of what I would not ask
if there were a second round which I do
support I would not ask that there'd be
an advisory committee um but again that
whether or not those around the
application really that that comes out
that uh
my position at this point is you know
the council has moved through what I
would call an interesting
you have
authorized the expenditure on a number
of projects
were
from the administration side now
starting to put together contracts for
those projects
I am skeptical on some of the
assumptions and some of the numbers that
are in those and where you say there's X
number of dollars left
could very well be true
I'm not sure that it's going to hold up
in what I want is some time to be able
to evaluate those projects move ahead so
that we have better cost estimates to
make sure what the council has done so
far are going to be successful and we're
going to be able to complete it
and I don't have a time on this I'm
going to take this 30 days I can tell
you no it's going to be longer I don't
know how much longer but before we go
off and start to talk about spending
other money I want to make sure we have
money to complete what we've started
and then again be able to use that money
in the manner that will best leverage
the resources within the community so
that
it'll give you some updates
on a regular basis we
the structures look to uh
have kind of a standard component of the
contract and then there will be a
variable
that specific project is and what goals
we're looking for you know some are
conditioned upon other funding there's
always site control uh
there can be major deals and some of
these have not been done before so it's
a little bit complicated and
so at this point
you've given myself and the staff a lot
of work to do
we're looking forward to going ahead
with that and
I'm not in a rush to make commitments on
what is perceived to be money that's
left over at this point
thank you
the last time we discussed this couple
weeks ago there were there were strong
arguments on both sides that we had the
full Council and I was played before I
was on
I mean we received roughly about 70
applications for funding we went through
these applications through the advisory
through our to the council we funded
many of these Community projects and
many of the city projects we are at
roughly 42 million dollars of allocation
already with the balance of about 10
million dollars nine million dollars
remaining
so you know actually mayor we need to
look at um
there are a couple processes that we
need to look at some people are calling
out the Woodland Park The Grove Park
it's time to Parks those are parts that
we need to address us because these are
parts that
for over a year is have not received any
funding so I think it's wise for us to
allocate so coming here and I would ask
the man this life to look at how
possible we can fund these parts and
some projects out there also for job
retention can I will ask that we if we
can get a more accurate number on the
job retention over the period of time
that was presented to us
uh overall I am not in favor of Us
opening up
on our own we have many applications
here let's look at the applications on
in hand
and let's look at them let's look at the
in-house projects that the mayor has
and in terms of that let's try to keep
much of the remaining funding within the
city I think that will overall help us
with the budget
so I think um to the marriage point I I
can definitely get behind um you know us
I think it would be pretty wise for us
to see exactly um
how the commitments that we've already
made how they're going to flush out and
um and make sure that you know our
numbers are are accurate
um so what you know when if and when we
do um
communicate that to our garden Community
saying hey you know we're going to open
up another applications or not at least
that you know we know where we stand I
think we need to make an informed
decision so I can really appreciate that
so I definitely would support that
um
two things can be true and I think that
we need to know where we're at so we
have solid footing and making informed
decisions going forward and I think that
we also need to make every effort to
honor what we said we were going to do
and honor the expectations of the people
in the community
um and I really appreciate the fact that
this is something that hasn't happened
before and I think that that is really
uh a good thing and it's a unique
opportunity
um to uh changing material conditions of
people that are like curiosity so we
just want to continue to keep that as
our
the lens that we're using when we're
thinking about you know what we're going
to do with this funny movie for it so I
would say that I'm in favor of what the
mayor is saying around like let's uh
give the staff
um time to kind of look at where we're
standing now but again I just want to be
clear that I still think that we should
find ways to um give all the community
access to these funds
thank you
so is there an agreement to wait until
the mayor comes back to us with um
his findings about how we move forward
is that what I'm sending in the council
now
I don't I think that's just the best way
the best I'm sorry yeah the best
direction to uh to go in it just makes
sense and you know mayor and I you did
mention that in different meanings so it
makes sense we have to see where we land
together and again in agreement with the
mayor and there may be some funds that
we give back as well with some of the
money that we doled out to the
organizations in need who may not be
able to meet the contingency so there
may be funding coming back to us so
let's just give it a break and
take a breath
so very good just want to I just click
with me there was an email that was sent
to us I think it's Friday with regards
to Poco house wanted to amend their
application after the fact that they
were funded
I think that's very problematic to
revise or amend an application after the
funding was already allocated so I think
that we have to bear in mind that we
as Council should look at us and not
support something like that because it's
if we're going to do that then we have
to do it for everybody and what are we
creating and creating problems but after
the fact we're changing the application
just to avoid contingency
so I just want to bring that to the
table for you guys saw a Gmail
um and we all saw the email and I agree
that I mean it was really clearly stated
that we were trying to uh it didn't say
avoid continuously but at best it did
say eliminate eliminate was the word to
you so
um
I want to have a conversation with the
mayor and and development but I don't um
see that we leave we voted through a
piece of legislation for it as the
application was presented to us
so um now to come back and to say we'd
like to change that elbow you voted it
through like this it's different than
those who came and asked for revisions
prior to us voting that's very different
so
um
in terms of that to me that that almost
looks like you need to like come back
with a whole new application because
it's it's a very different scope of work
very very different
go ahead please total agreement this
for the field absolutely I feel the same
way
and you got a question on that I attend
on that email
a motion to adjourn so second all in
favor all right
the next item sorry about your Public
Safety and the first one item is a
discussion reducing City speed limit to
25 miles per hour Miss Patrick yes so we
had previously uh discussed reducing the
speed limit to 25 miles per hour the
council voted to have a letter sent to
the governor requesting that she signed
that legislation
um I think this is back in June that we
had that conversation
and she did indeed uh right after she
got the
alerted the letter and she actually said
uh to the Schenectady City
no but in any case she did recently
assign the legislation which I think
many people across the state including
the New York Council of Mayors advocated
for for that reduction in the speed
limit so I wanted to bring that
conversation back to the table I wanted
to ask the question of staff I wanted to
hear from Chief Clifford about his
thoughts about reducing the speed limit
I was hoping that we could ask him to
speak to that I also want to raise the
question I know that we can't just say
gee we're going to reduce the speed
limit to 25 there's a lot that would go
into all of that and so I think that's
the question for staff as well is what
would we need to do in order to
implement the 25 mile per hour a 25 mile
per hour speed limit so I just wanted to
make sure that we reopen the discussion
based on the fact that Governor Hopewell
did indeed sign the legislation so is
that why I think you've invited yeah
so I'm generally in support of of the 25
mile per hour speed limit
I think that we're becoming more of a
pedestrian friendly community
see many more people riding bicycles out
there and it's just a lot of General
activity out on the streets where
encouraging motorists to drive slower is
a good idea
with a 30 mile an hour speed limit I
think we're seeing those push the limits
by going seven 10 miles an hour over
that brings us closer to 40 miles an
hour
and even when we write the tickets they
go through the court system they only
look like they're seven miles an hour it
doesn't look as bad as 12 or 15.
because they are our judges a little bit
more
uh
ability to you know give points to help
reckless drivers that are going over the
speed limit a little bit more gives a
motivation to the driver to drive slower
knowing that that could be the
repercussion which is to have points put
on their license which increases their
insurance rates
and you know I live in the city I drive
around a lot I see a lot of speakers
that are out there they're out there so
what I would recommend is if we do do
this we have to have a good public
relations campaign
educating drivers that they need to
reduce their speed maybe tell them why
it's important to them to reduce their
speed
and we'll take a gradual approach to
enforcement but then once we once we
decide to start enforcing it we will
certainly do stuff
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educational system what about the time
in terms of the resource needed for this
enforcement if this were to happen
okay that's that's that's currently like
my biggest challenge with my resources
having enough officers to do it and but
I'm hopeful that by the time we actually
implemented it because I'm a monthly
understanding that some studies would
need to be done Citywide and then of
course we have to do all the sign
changing everything we would have some
time and by then we'll have the Staffing
in place be able to do the enforcement
right I'm currently found one officer in
My Traffic Division but we haven't
replaced until we get the ones out of
the economy but by this time next year
we will certainly hopefully be fully
staffed that's my My Hope and that was
the reason why I asked the question
because you're currently you're a stress
team this will give you more enforcement
how we're going to carry out
go ahead that's better
um actually my question was going to be
about enforcement because certainly that
was something that um you know we've
heard from various residents about that
concern around enforcement but I think
also you touched on the idea that
traffic studies would have to happen as
well
um and I think we could speak to that a
little bit as well that before we would
move in a direction we'd have to also
have undergo traffic studies to really
look at where in particular
the speeding is happening where is there
more accidents I mean some of that data
we already have collected in previous
I think speak to some of the accident
areas
um the prevalence of accidents I should
say but those studies I'm not sure if
those are studies that happen through Mr
glucose on this or
um
my understanding is we would get a
traffic consultant to do that you know
we can provide them some data that's
going to require outside
engineering evaluation
uh mayor to add to that can be also
attached when the studies being done on
the traffic and we attach a cost study
in terms of replacing the science and
also additional Staffing for enforcement
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yes I think Jen had some numbers for
design replacement I don't know what the
chief is
unfortunately can be a widely variant
number dependent
in the staff and again what just what
the circumstances are in the field
and is that something that we can easily
put together over the course of time and
we come back for presentation
definitely yeah yeah we would yeah we
would look at enforcement from being on
a daily level but then we would also put
together targeted details in certain
areas not only where the complaints are
coming from and to be able to have a
higher concentration and make it be
known to the motors that were out there
enforcing it that's the biggest that's
the most important thing we always want
to try to get voluntary compliance and
the best way to do that is to be visibly
enforced unfortunately go ahead sorry my
question will more towards the man this
is do you see any way that kind of the
Smart City technology that we've
installed
um kind of supporting this as far as the
studies go
and that's what someone were trying to
do is go through that which enhances the
enforcements you can identify where the
uh
the bigger problems are put the
resources to leverage them in a more
aggressive manner but yes there are ways
that we can do that uh
probably should be if you want to do it
also have a meeting independent of this
or do a presentation at a committee
meeting on a more robust
analysis of all the things that are out
there things
that are doing and things that we would
like to do going forward
well I will defer I was going to point
out that
um Mr Paul many actually had presented
and I see this as only one component as
I've stressed over and over again and I
think that what Mr palmetti presented
can't remember when a few committee
meetings ago maybe two months could you
speak to that a little bit so we
hopefully you remember
um because I don't
we did ask for home rule legislation
from the state
um the idea was to be able to have the
ability to use technology like what
you're talking about with speed cameras
and so forth to help with the
enforcement aspect to get in areas where
let's face it there's only so many
police officers right so this could also
help and people know those are there if
they get tickets they'll definitely know
they're there and hopefully that will be
passed by the state and allow us to use
our technology which we have to try to
address some of these issues
any other questions
this is well it's related to speeding
but not about reducing the speed limit
because it sounds like based on what the
Chiefs are saying this is going to be a
longer and what's being said it's going
to be a longer process it's not going to
happen today tomorrow next month
um but we continually have speeding and
so we various places have asked for stop
signs and I know Mrs fulicho says you
know there'd be traffic studies Etc but
somebody who sit down the porch on a
regular basis and sees the speeding
going on it's a pretty good study and so
um there's a can we get a car up to the
president it's not my house
it's on Becker Street if you want to
know it's on Becker Street there's an
entire stretch where there's no lights
all the way and they just like hit the
gas and shoot all the way through on
Console Road apparently that was a
problem because you've had to stop every
I don't even say every other block but I
think it's pretty much every block so I
know that there are folks out there who
really have concerns about that and we
if we could since it's going to take a
while for us to get this process done we
really do need to take something to at
least break people's speeding you know
stopping where they have to stop if they
stop they'll do a rolling stop but I
think we should really consider if we
can putting up more um stop signs people
are asking for it on a regular basis
any any updates on the speed homes
Mr
Walton is here oh the question Mr
Walling was okay
do you want to come up no no you don't
want to tell them
I think I don't want to but I will any
status please would appreciate it
so I met with SPD traffic we determined
the speed bumps that we like the size
the style
they are way more labor intensive than
we thought we had everything together
and then we kind of had a pause while we
went through a transition and purchasing
we have a new purchasing agent now I
have new revised quotes and they're
going to be ordered I mean I know we
talk about ordering them but I don't
want to get into in-house business so we
had issues with purchasing at one point
and then we were trying to determine
some things and two things coincided so
now we have everything ready we're going
to be getting them and ordering them on
the state contract this week we were
just trying to work out the details of
them they're they're quite large just so
everybody knows that was part of what we
were looking at to make sure the size of
them there or not uh speed bumps just so
everybody's wearing these are not
something that you'll see in a parking
lot these have to be made to put in
traffic so a vehicle you know has to
they're called speed tables so instead
of five feet these are actually going to
be 14 feet they're put in sections by
ogs they're actually anchored into the
drown that was part of the thing that
we're talking about we also
um just do a little due diligence
because uh John cuccio talked with is
kind of part of Albany after our
meetings Albany just put a half a
million dollars into Arbor Hill with
what they're calling uh like a test
program but it is permanent I mean they
put in permanent speed bumps so we watch
and I talk with our Paving contractor
about that and the cost to do it in that
way uh really outweighed the temporary
ones even with the installation because
even if we were to temporarily pay uh
like almost put asphalt pumps into there
every year we'd have to Mill them out
we'd have to do a lot of work so we
moved away from them they weren't as
cost feasible so they are I talked to
the vendor yesterday uh not yesterday
they
talk to them under on Thursday we were
just getting we're going to go with a
yellow pattern so we're in a good spot
for them and we don't have them yet but
we will have them soon
thank you sure go ahead please good
question would you want to take them off
for winter yes
and that's part of it we have permanent
ones if we do determine locations for
permanent I mean there are ways that you
know you key in the asphalt you end up
put markers on each side to work plows
you put the signs that um I mean they
there are municipalities with the
permanent speed bumps on roadways so it
is possible but I think the conversation
was let's try these see how they affect
things also I mean not to talk about you
know your business and things but you
know we were just meeting with them
about new signs the new radar signs we
just had a meeting with that under so
there are a lot of things that were that
we're looking at we've got a lot of
positive feedback about the stop signs
with the drinking LED lights and I know
that uh John is actually looking at you
know if there's other locations that
would benefit from those so
you know I think the goal is always to
have more Tools in your toolbox so maybe
these will help because enforcement can
only do so much right so good job thank
you thank you thank you
so I don't think we can have it back in
two weeks
make sure we were all
awesome Authority Chief yeah
okay okay all right oh sorry this is
just my own curiosity so like so I would
think that you know we would probably
prioritize
um based on whatever data you get and as
well as products like school players or
schools and um things like that but I
would just think do we find and
course I don't expect you to have a
perfect answer to this this is really
just my own curiosity like do we find
like in areas right now where like
school zones where there's already a
reduced uh speed expectation there and
do
does that work or does you think that
like overall is that effective I think
because I would think that if it is
effective there I mean there are some variables there but it
might kind of lend support to the
for a larger Community as well that's a
good question if I answer it I probably
would just be guessing maybe my own
opinion on it which I think is yes it
does it does have an effect when people
know the speed limit's been reduced they
typically slow down because there's
always the exceptions to the rules but I
think that there's a comfort level
knowing that 30 mile an hour is where
the limit is and police officers won't
stop unless you're going five to ten
miles over in there so yeah a little 37
I'm fine but if you're 12 over 25 then
you better slow down because you know
something at 25 for the expectations
maybe they'll do 30.
if I could just add to them that there
was research done there are National
studies that were part of the
legislation even that the State Assembly
and Senate sent to Governor Hogle that
did indicate percentages of if the speed
was reduced just even that five miles
down from 30 to 25 they did see
um and I can't remember the specifics
but I can get it for you they did see a
reduction in speed exactly the way that
the chief is is indicating not to
mention that that Five Mile drop in the
speed limit also
increased the safety of pedestrians
um and so that data was included in the
initial piece of legislation that that
we had looked at
um back in June I guess it was so I'll
try to dig that up and get it out again
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if there's no other question emotions
second all in favor aye thank you thank you
for government operations we have one
item on the agenda
discover residency board and as
president Portugal thank you uh
of course the legislation
um
regarding changing the residency
requirements and that did fail however
part of the current resident department
is that there's a residency board
which has to be con which should be
convenient in order to give people who
reside outside of the city waivers so um
that's something that really needs to be
convened is the mayor it's up to the
mayor to convenient it's five members on
the board uh the mayor has represented
him herself or representative issues
this Corporation Council as well and
then um three from the council so I'm
going to be recommending that we um get
those members on that board and we keep
being the board and look at the um
looking at those individuals who are
currently working within the city who do
not currently have a waiver
so just wanted to have that discussion
or just to mention that so
it's a discussion going on
okay
I'd like to open uh oh no I like to call
the board of student development and
planning
we have nine ends on the agenda
first item is a 501 State Street license
agreement for outdoor patio in swallow
uh 501 State Street is a new building
that is almost done with construction
and corner of State Street and
I believe Barrett and Clinton it's on a
it's a Redburn property one of the
tenants the main tenant on the ground
floor is a restaurant the restaurant is
going to be owned and operated by the
nest
chef and manager they're going to be
opening a new restaurant into that
building one of the components that the
nest features that is a big hit is a
large outdoor patio that was previously
used by previous restaurants sliding
dirty they would like to have a similar
outdoor space as they believe it really
energizes the downtown block however all
of the property out front of the
building the building is on the property
line would be city property so we would
need a license agreement not a revocable
permit for this patio as it would be a
permanent structure permanent in the way
that to remove it would be a burden on
everyone they're aware that there are
some utilities underneath if you are
looking to check the condition of those
utilities but it would be primarily for
seating for the restaurant and there was
a
sketch in your package and this program
project is supported by Metroplex who is
working with them on
so if for some reason they go out of
business is this going to still be part
of the structure of that particular
restaurant so if you know another
restaurant came in they would still be
able to utilize it so this yes
so the license agreement will not be
with the restaurant it will be with the
building owner okay so it'll be with Red
Burn not with the restaurant but the
restaurant as long as I'm utilizing it I
mean this is very similar to The Patio
before was done with red burn for
sliding dirty and that business went out
and this business came in and they
utilized it so I mean and if we're
talking about adding to so to speak the assets of downtown it would be the
Internet it's an addition it's not
something that I would think is a burden
it's also on half if you were to look so
even if uh somehow they were to have to
split it you know we're one side is a
different retail on the left side is
this they could they could do that so I
from from a flexibility standpoint I
think
most likely always want to be a
restaurant I don't have many other
businesses that have a front patio like
this but
yes
um cdka I know there's a big bus stop
right here that's used would they
relocate their bus stop
um yeah the bus stop they have taco tdta
and the bus stop would be I don't know
about relocated or looking but there is
a we have a very large bus stop at MVP
and Veterans Park in a bus stop under
the bridge at State Street so this bus
stop was seen as not as critical as
because we have these two large bus
stops one in a park and one under the
bridge but yeah that's that bus stop
will not for me
lots of lots of people
move there so yeah so I think the people
who read the list might think it might
be fun a little inconvenience at that
moment
so I don't know if we talk about really
having them up in downtown there's just
not a lot of bus stops Downtown I don't
take the bus but I see people taking the
bus
um
and I do want to mention that some of
you may have gotten an email from a
downtown business owner regarding the
construction what was happening seeing a
lot of
um debris and things from the
construction but I want you to know that
um that this was supposed to come before
us two weeks but before that happened we
wanted to make sure that the developer
was aware of those concerns and was
addressing them and that did happen so
um just in case you I I would assume
that you all have gotten the email but a
business owner did have concerns so
before we moved forward with this we
made sure that those concerns were
addressed so thanks to Metroplex and to
Mr Wallen as well for making sure that
happens
any other questions regarding this
I'll second it all is in favor
um thank you Mr well
all right the second item on the agenda
memorandum with uh Capital District
Transportation Authority for the Bike
Share program cycle yep
um so for the past three years the city
cooperation with the CDT has contributed
to the operation of the Bike Share
program it is the Branded bikes that are
located throughout the city um
The Bike Share program is uh it's a
costly program to be able to bring
affordable you know uh bicycle and use
to all the urban areas so they've asked
that all the participating cities which
have the majority of the bikes
Schenectady Albany Troy and Saratoga
have a contribution to the program
this is a continuation of that it's a
re-upping of the three-year agreement
the cost is the same 25 000 a year as a
benefit we had to put in there because
not many city employees know about it
we're going to try to advertise a little
bit better with Marianne's city
employees do get an opportunity to use
the the bikes for free you just have to
enter in your city email address and it
allows you to create an account where
you can utilize the bikes
the benefit of the city being a
participant
so
any questions
I'll enter the motion so second all's in
favor aye third on the agenda award
debating contracts for the Washington
Avenue and State Street Empire Trails
through calendar Industries
so this is a really great small project
that we're working on as some of you may
know several years ago we did a
what was it called a test project on
Washington Avenue in The Stockade where
we introduced a counter flow bike lane
if anyone's familiar with the Empire
Trail in the city it goes down Union
Street but when it gets to the South
Church area because Washington Avenue is
one way from state to Union a bicycle
cannot legally go down that way so the
bicycle has to go to South Church Street
onto State Street in front of what was
the former YMCA and then on to the path
so this is a long time coming project
however when we went out there to
actually Institute the project we
noticed that the sidewalks at State and
Washington were not wide enough to
accommodate bikes if you were to go over
the bridge draw your attention to the
county did a project coming from the
community college up when it got to the
city border the sidewalks go back down
to five feet so I didn't want to invest
money to promote bicycles on Washington
Avenue and leave this roughly 75-foot
section that was not really compliant so
we went out and did design worked with
the dot and we're going to widen the
sidewalk to A Accessible width so it's
going to be right around 10 feet maybe a
little bit more in certain areas so that
now come to the city there is a smooth
transition from bike plane to bike lane
and then you're going to be able to
either ride Washington Avenue one way or
actually use the counterfold White Lane
and come against traffic it's a little
unique it will be signed and striking
but that is the uh the appropriate way
to do it and that will kind of just help
our standing with the bike lane in the
area so it's a it's a very small project
but I really think it is going to be
appreciated by everyone that uses the
Empire Trail
Mr
um so it was
349 49 000 and it says that it's going
to be local funds can you just be a
little bit more specific sure we're
going to use our borrowed Capital funds
okay great okay yeah there was a
misprint in the first one I didn't know
if you saw a size one but we uh because this is not just a road project
it's a bike project it's easiest just to
use our local Capital funds okay not
just usually we use our chip funding
when it's just streets
so that's what we're going to use and we
have
um
was there any input from those so I
guess there's some Bicycle Club the
bicycling group that around this being
you know this
change or in this Improvement well I
mean the most vocal that I work with is
Art uh Clayman as always and this is a
project that he's been asking about for
years I'm not aware of any other bicycle
groups that have come out
um but our you know this was a I thought
you were going to talk about the stock
cable we did the test it was something
where we thought we were going to get a
lot of Bush family and it actually went
really smoothly we've had a lot of
positive feedback as you know Rich
nodding his head about it and and so you
know I think I think what I what I was
nervous about was I'm luckily that I
went out there and I observed everything
in the conditions because I think if I
had done the bike lane and just paved it
and striped it and said I'm done and
then turned that 90 degrees and seeing
that sidewalk yeah I think I would have
looked a little bad and I don't I'm not trying to look bad up here I'm
trying to always look as best as I can
so this is this is really going to I
think everyone is really going to
appreciate it you know all the way
around and we're working with the county
on even improving some of the signage so
that when you get into Schenectady you
know where to go yeah for the other
trails and other paths because when you
come in now as a bicyclist
we're not we're not doing a lot of
focused advertising to you it's more of
that generic you are here you hear these
things but it's like you know well
where's the Central Park failed Trail
connector where's the harbor Trail
where's The Stockade Trail you know if
we're not we're not focused on that
aspect of it and that's one of the
things that
working on too thank you any other
questions I'll move it second all those
in favor
aye thank you thank you Mr well
uh just a reminder of the Metroplex we
did they are putting in want to put an
application for the Restore New York
Grant there was a public hearing that
held on 912.
um I think we only had one speaker and
at this point in time in 10 motion to
move it forward so that they can
actually put in their application
okay
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close in second all the safer all right
hey the next item on the agenda is it
starts with me anti-litter action plan
we have three council members so Patrick
Toro and palomini and who wants to start
the discussion I'll start the discussion
um and this really um I have to say in
the larger context of what we were just
talking about in terms of speeding and
traffic
behavior and how do we influence
behavior we also have talked about the
noise uh the noise issue all of these
issues that our quality of life issues
all come back to
behavioral types of
um you know how do we get folks to
really think about their neighbors how
do we get folks to think about their own
behavior so I wanted to start out with
that so obviously all of us have
expressed and talked about the fact that
you know we have a littering problem
within the city and so this is one
attempt at putting forth some ideas and thank you for sending out the plan
to all the council people what we're
doing here is giving you this plan so
that we can get some um feedback back
from everyone
once again this is not a quick fix this
is not something that will happen
tomorrow but we wanted to present it to
folks
um and see and see what reactions were
basically there's four areas within this
plan the first being on education and
Outreach
how do we work with adults but you know
another aspect of this are Partnerships
so we think about how do we partner with
the school district how do we partner
with businesses around trying to think
about how we get rid of some of the
litter issues that are around there's an
infrastructure component there's four
components education infrastructure
which in our proposal is really looking
at equipment trash cans you know other
types of things like that that would
have to be a part of what we try to do
and like with the speeding and the
traffic issue another piece are laws and
enforcement of of those laws in terms of
trying to clean up the city so
um
there's a lot of detail in this I hope
that you might have had a chance to look
at it it obviously is for a larger
discussion I'd like to turn it over to
news tutorial now to talk a little bit
more about well no I'm sorry I'd like to
turn it over to Mr Paul many I'm sorry
to talk a little bit about the why care
about litter aspect and especially
because it relates to People's Health
and and the environment sure certainly
there's a health and environmental
component the environmental piece where
we're throwing stuff out our Windows
whether it's plastic that leeches into
the ground and eventually gets into our
rivers oceans even our groundwater we're
consuming that with the things that we
eat and drink we don't know the overall
impacts because they're my new levels
but what we do know is over time those
minute levels add up and we also don't
know the cross-contaminations with other
things that we're ingesting into our
body so so we do know some of these
things are carcinogenic but
how they impact our overall health is is
pretty negative and that adds to all our
costs whether we're talking about health
care insurance
or any of those type of things beyond
the human toll of you know losing a
loved one or having someone die at a
much younger age than they probably
should have the other aspect of course
is the environment
um
some of that ties together with
our fish you know the soil quality our
water quality and just even small things
when we introduced a straw thing a while
ago it didn't pass but small things like
that add up and the the Plastics break
down into microplastics and that impacts
our environment pretty significantly we
see the impacts on the animals and the
other Wildlife as well as just the
plants so there is a big toll here with
littering Beyond just the
sight and the smell
and those are all things that we need to
take into consideration
and if I could move to Ms detoro to talk
a little bit about the illegal uh
the cost of the illegal illegal dumping
and other litter in the city sure so it
starts with me I'm very excited about this
um I do take photos and I do report
trash on the street multiple areas that
are multiple that are littered Beyond
anything I can even pick up so one thing
that really bothers me is illegal
dumping
um I've seen it it's not in the city of
Schenectady but over by the Jewish
cemetery behind the cross it's actually
Rotterdam there's about three different
dump sites there of
um plasterboard wood it's just it's just
horrible to even look at so I I have
called the town of Rotterdam to report
that at times but the cost it takes my
cousins live over at Steinmetz park
across the street on Lenox Road and
multiple times they actually see people
backing their trucks up to the pond and
putting their construction debris in
there so and it always has been reported
but in order for the city to have to
deal with the cost factor involved in
this extra Manpower and time going out
and cleaning up other people's garbage
and that's something that that we really
don't want to do so that's another facet
of this and just going into the
infrastructure
um we heard one of our students here
today talking about trash cans how
they'd like more trash cans so that's
all involved in this so it's there's
science and start a structure with but
it starts with me it should start with
everyone
um
and talk to your neighbors you know take
them pick it up just pick it up so
there's all there's a lot of different
things that are very
important to our community so I was
hoping maybe Mr Farley could share a
story that he shared once about maybe a
group of students who brought somewhere
okay this this this really breaks my
heart this story and maybe you could
share that
so this is uh this is the person time
ago I was working with a youth group and
one of the kids in our YouTube Visa love
to eat sunflower seeds I don't know why
but he just did but we were constantly
getting on him around picking up his
garbage
um and we took you know we would pick
our kids throughout the county and we
went to one of our other kids uh houses
to pick him up and you know in a pretty
little neighborhood and he the young man
was eating his sunflower seeds and he
threw the wrap around the floor
um and when he threw the wrapper on the
floor he picked it up
and that was something really odd for
him you know to do without you know
oh it's time to say Hey you know and I
asked him why he did that
because I was like God why'd you pick
that up you know and he said to me he
said because this doesn't look like the
type of place you can throw garbage but
yet the neighborhood that we picked him
up from that we dropped him off on you
but they're garbage here so I think that
there's something to be said and I
appreciate you remembering that that's
something to be said around like you
know the messaging that we sent to our
young people about where they live
um and and it also demonstrates that if
you make the right structural changes
then it will shift Behavior thank you
that's a great story remember that
so the rest of these pages and it's a
10-page document all told really go into
thoughts and ideas that we had I think
there's more that could be had there's
some of these that are
things that could be implemented uh
sooner rather than later there are
things that could that cost money there
are things that don't cost money so at
this point
um you know we just really wanted to
leave you with all of this again the it
starts with me I think we'll certainly
would be lend itself to working with
youth in terms of having pledges in
terms of having poster contests in terms
of you know the of course cleanups like
we've done at solar and other places
there's also a section in here however
that talks about the Partnerships with
businesses and there's it starts with me
pledged there where we'd be trying to
get businesses to think about you know
having appropriate trash receptacles
appropriate cigarette butt
um those those devices that dsic for
example does put around downtown
the the infrastructure section has ideas
on various equipment from ones that are
individually held like a backpack almost
it's like a vacuum to you know more you
know kind of driving apparatus that that
can be used to help with the with the
litter so at this point unless
um Ms detour or Mr Paul anyone add
anything else to this to what we are
presenting I think we you know we're
looking for feedback we're looking for
your thoughts on when you get a chance
to look at this if we haven't already
you have to say that it starts with me
is already an existing program within
the city it's just tweaking it and
putting together a fairly comprehensive
we're looking at legislative judicial
executive branch
pieces tied in with community and
not-for-profit and education and the
school district and putting it all
together to try to get everybody moving
towards that goal of less trash in the
streets and improving our neighborhoods
so
yeah something Just For Us online a
couple years ago we passed at an Amanda
city has a good regards so a letter and
it was supposed to be enforced by the
police department we had some issues
with ticketing process and we were
supposed to cooperation Council were
supposed to look at cultural Amanda
revise the ticketing processary
and I think because palominium I was on
that driving force in that
we are already how different is that to
what is being presented today and can we
work with Corporation Council to to look
at something that was outstanding there
to a man that ticketing process and RPD
can go there and issue these uh
citations so yes you're 100 right what
happened was
um Corporation Council at the time
Mr Golden I was working with the court
system to create a ticket that was more
of a summons type thing where it was
very quick in comparison to a full-blown
ticket to to give out
um
he worked with the court system to try
to produce this the judges ended up
throwing these tickets out in large mass
unfortunately
I think Mr Colden is aware of this and I
think he will be working trying to
figure out some way of moving this
forward to make it more effective and
something that the judges won't throw
out and I think a benefit too is having
commissioner Devine on staff a former
judge
I think that would be beneficial too
I think that that's something that we
need to look at because that's something
I'm going to book our books already so
we should work um amending it and
enforcing it rather than adding more on
top of it and this might complement that
we already have there so I think we
don't want to just recreate more at the
same time when we just need to have a
mystical ninjas follow up on that and
see what is needed
to move forward with that page eight I
think is where um that something similar
to that is addressed on a couple of
bullet points on page eight of our of
our
proposal so I don't know if it's exactly
the same as what you had talked about
previously yeah um
back and forth about cooperation Council
on the police department in terms of how
we can able to address that and this was
a couple years ago and nothing ever
happened to the end and the um the other
aspect though is not really creating
another enforcement piece it's just all
different components of how we can
address litter and try to get people to
change their behavior yes there's a
section that is enforcement and to your
point with that ticket
process that's kind of what's in here
but there's some other things like are
we charging too much for a ticket or not
enough you know those are things that we
kind of need to look at to miss the
Toro's point of the illegal dumping
um you know it's something that maybe we
want to look at the fine for
make it a
more costly to do those kind of things
but maybe it's already too expensive so
we need to look at those things and and
try to address them
so um I know that this it starts with me with
something that the mayor implemented
several years to get started this
several years ago so as Mr palamine says
this is is something that is organ
resistance
um I didn't so I have a question
I know that we uh Mr O'Hearn Charlie
O'Hearn has been the person who's been
kind of take care of the litter as a
one-man the volunteers so I wanted to
know is is there some input from him in
here
um and also have the consultant Mr
um Mr lafon regarding this and
additionally I don't know if you want to
speak to the whole garbage part of it um
or if you're ready for that discussion
and how it's mentioned in here that how
garbage that people don't properly
um
tie up and all that adds to the litter
but so I just want to make sure that the
with whatever work that
being done here is also making sure that
this works in the plants that the city
has underway are going to be a part of
that process and we have um had meetings
that Mr
turn was a part of this and I actually
can't speak to the whether Mr Lafond has
been I don't think that that we have
talked to Ms still upon so that's a good point
I think so in here is a part about
our trash
people who throw the bags on you know
because the bags aren't tied proper and
just making sure that that the city
staff cleans up the messes that they
make so that's all incorporated into
here as well so I do hear that complaint
a lot from people but again their job is Non-Stop and it's moving so yeah and
to that point if we're going to as this
moves along I think that the city staff
is another we should be speaking to
directly because there aren't people on
the ground every day picking up trash
when we decided to install additional
trash cans through um to show love where
you live initiative I actually met with
them asked them about the size the
weight all of that and also to get their
input and also let them know that
there's going to be more trash cans for
you to pick up right you know because
that was important so I I think the
people who are do this work every single
day should not only be informed but
included making sure that they you know
that the plan is a plan that works for
everybody that's a really good point
absolutely
the
you know it seems simple to just get
people to do the basic things but it's a
far more complex
and it's much like the speeding it's how
do you educate people how do you get a
shift in the social Norm where people
modify their behavior a little bit so I
think this is all good
it's an ongoing process
you can look to continue to have
discussions how do we implement it how
do we actually get people to play by the
rules
any further discussion I guess at this
point I would just ask that if folks
would take a look at it um and give us
some feedback and I think your comments
in terms of obviously
um
talking to other folks boots on the
ground uh those are those are very good
suggestions
Mr Farley yeah I would just add that
what I really like about Laura Sawyer is
that there's different components on
here so and really the components can
operate independently if need be right
so like if we like as far as law
enforcement if there's some other
considerations that have to be made and
you know there might be some red tape
there you know there's still that
educational component there's still
there's you know there's some signage
and things that can you know kind of
lend itself up so they you know work
interopectively that way but they can
operate independently as we problem
shoot through a
so I appreciated that
any further discussion
okay thank you for bringing that forward
the last four items on the agenda are
for property sales so for that reason we
would go into the executive session in
the same motion uh make the questions go
to Executive questions thank you all in
favor aye so the public will have to
leave
thank you