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meeting to order for Monday October 3rd
2022 our first committee is finance Mr
Williams
thank you so I'd like the call to order
the finance committee there's three
items on the agenda tonight first call
for public hearing for the 2021
Consolidated annual performance and
evaluation report on October 11th and
that will be spoken by Kristen yeah
this is very formal um Dan if you just
go up to the corner you see that little
yeah there you go
um we're going to be talking quickly
about the Consolidated annual
performance and evaluation report or the
Caper this measures our accomplishments
on our HUD funding through the Community
Development block grant the home funds
and the emergency Solutions Grant funds
um in addition to this was our cdbg CB
funds or the stimulus funds that came
through Care Act cares act to fund
different things in response to the
pandemic
um so essentially we had three major
goals in our Consolidated plan The
Five-Year Plan this was to enhance
housing opportunities expand economic
and Workforce Development and strengthen
local neighborhoods so the first goal in
the enhancing housing opportunities
within the program Year from July 1st
2021 to June 30th 2022 that's what this
report is kind of measuring and it's also good to keep in mind that
funding kind of spans over multiple
years sometimes depending on the project
so it's kind of a pointy time between
those dates you know what what projects
occurred and what funding did we spend
so we did 15 demolitions a week and
instructors throughout the city
there were 15 owner-occupied rehabs with
our partners at their Community
neighborhoods
we worked with Habitat for Humanity to
do a few builds throughout the city
which were infill projects one of which
was a vacant property that was turned
into an owner occupied property it was a
rental unit to kind of offset the costs
there in Eastern Ave
so that was exciting
um through the Mount Pleasant Outreach
project scap provided 24 households with
tenant training responsibilities and
legal assistance as a result they
secured improvements in their living
conditions there were 74 residents that
received Services which included the
homeless prevention and Rapid rehousing
programs
um in addition the first time whole
homebuyer program for down payment
assistance and closing costs was
overseen by Better Community
neighborhoods as well and the Bethesda
house tenant-based rental assistance
program served 19 participants and
provided 50 000 of rental assistance and
this is just another project safe Inc
providingly accessible sidewalk to their
educational recreation facility
um
yep and this is just some of the
community outreach that's done this was
an open house that's safe income did as
well
um so we had a pause in our construction
skills training program during the
pandemic but it was restarted so we had
10 new program participants
um and there was various workshops and
job fairs and skills training
um this was in partnership with the
literally Arsenal again just trying to
connect the trades and the jobs that are
available with the people who are
learning these skills
um so they can can join the workforce in
meaningful ways
um in addition resources for the city's
painting program uh
you know paid approximately a mile of
roads in our neighborhood revitalization
strategy area and in addition as part of
the economic development
um we worked with the Community Loan
Fund to provide small business grants
through our cdbg CD funding I think it
was over it was close to four hundred
thousand dollars in Grants that helped
over 60 small businesses
um in addition you can keep calm down
um through the strengthening local
neighborhoods we we have the
collaborative tree program in
partnership with Community fathers sjta
Retreat Schenectady in the city last
summer they planted 50 trees as part of
this program and this summer they did a
hundred so it's been we've seen and
scaled up it's involved with youth
employment and skills training we're
really excited to see the progress that
continues to happen now that we have our
community forestry plan that was just
completed
um and then we the Hamilton Hill Art
Center completed their Sculpture Park
which this is an image from that as many
of you may have seen it's been a
transformation in the neighborhood of
formerly vacant site that now is a
Community Asset
um that was part of the thriving
neighborhoods challenge
and then at Orchard Park we had the park
improvements that were completed and
then in addition this Fitness court that
was installed as well to basically
benefit City residents of all ages
through the different programming that's
happening there
um and then the the youth Coalition
supported a lot of youth programs
over the year and in addition the
partnership with boys and girls club is
instrumental in providing some of the
summer programs like here at UCF Packard
Bush Hill there's some assignments and
then of course the the swimming lessons
and programs that happen
um throughout the city parks over the
summer which is just really impactful to
keep kids engaged during that time
um and then this is just a snapshot of
the design of Jerry Burrell Park which
started last year and is out to bid
right now so we'll see where the numbers
come back and we'll look forward to
continuing that investment moving
forward
um
just an image from Community meetings
and we do try to there you can see
Sylvia out there like we try to get
engaged in the events happening and make
sure and making sure that we're kind of
listening to the needs and responding
through our goals and what we're
investing in so that's it
um
one of the main things for tonight is
just to announce the 15-day public
comment period for the keeper which is
posted online it's going to be today
October 3rd through Tuesday October 18th
and there will be a public hearing
scheduled for next Tuesday October 11th
at seven o'clock at the general city
council meeting
thank you any questions or comments from
the table
cycling all in favor
moving to the next item is a reminder of
the 2023 budget there's the public
hearing on October 11 2022
offer any further comments or questions
regarding such
it's perfect
um so Mr bear and I think Mr Baron sent
us the dates I just want to know that
the public the public know what the
dates are that we'll be reading October
13th is our first October 18th October
19th October 20th uh and October 21st if
needed so I believe this can be we'll be
posted on our website thank you and the
last item will be a discussion for noise
violation follow-up by Mr County so this
is a continuing issue with noise we left
it the last time with some of the
technology pieces and Mr coluccio is
going to do a presentation
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it's it's uh
it's a another short presentation so uh
as you know we've installed a number of
uh smart technology pieces in the city
the analytic cameras that have a number
of features including
um integrated microphone so one of the
things that came up with was how we
could use these microphones to analyze
noise and actually pick out where
violations are in the city so I asked
the company that they were working with
in one of the companies you typically
did
to give us an understanding of this
newer device that they that we have
installed out there and what the roadmap
is for the sound handling so they're
providing me a very short
slideshow that I'll go through
they're going to develop this Sound
Processing engine
leopard watching the microphones that
are located in the hubs on top of the
street lights
um on board let's see what else they
said uh they will be doing uh processing
on board they're not going to
upload the audio the um
the machine that's mounted on top of the
street light has the intelligence to
analyze the information and determine
exactly what it is and then that'll be
able to send the information back to it
wherever we alignment whether it's
dispatch or to the desk sergeant to tell
them where an issue may be out in the
city so they're all GPS GPS located
they're able to do some sort of
triangulation which can narrow down the
location out of the sound based on
multiple different units that are out
there and they can also because there
are cameras on it as well depending
again depending on where the location is
take a screenshot of that location to
see what's going on in that area
they also talked about uh LPR slice of
the paint reader potential it does not
work with the cameras that they have
there now because the cameras are
installed so high but um this bullet is
about the potential to install a second
one attached to this unit and then mount
it over on the pole
so this is the timeline of uh when you
expect that we have this up and running
so
um
to generate an alarm based on the sound
increase first quarter of 2023 I'm going
to skip over the LPR for now but the
classification of sound events uh is
second quarter of 2023 so just so you
understand what that means if it didn't
explain it well in the beginning they're
just going to be able to tell you where
the increase in the noise level is so if
the normal testicles are here and it
spikes up to a certain amount then it's
going to give us a notification that
there's enough tentative and then
in bullet number three a quarter two of
2023 they'll be able to classify the
sounds meaning they'll know if it's a
glass shattering and gunshot if it's a a
car backfiring
um I don't have a lot of detail on how in depth they're gonna go but
that would be the idea that they would
be able to look at them individually and
determine what they are and send uh you
know keep track of them and send a
message back to wherever we wanted to go
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and uh the last one is location of the
sound events they'll be able to
geolocate so that
um if if the ideas were not going to go
uh immediately out there to find out
what's going on with these increased
noise if we track it on a GPS located
map and we can look at the history we
can find out if it's something that
happens on a regular basis there and uh
you know then look for extra controls to
go out there and uh
try to eliminate those issues
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any questions
did you have a
potentially going to Executive sessions
to show you some exact locations of
where these devices are if you're
interested you can do that
thanks coach any questions or comments
from the table Miss Brookfield so I
wanted you if you talked about the
Patrols in in terms of them going out
so what are we have recorded and talk to
valleys because you know that we um we
generally have uh the tier system where
there's priority fall and so where would
this fall in terms of that yeah so so
obviously we're not at that point yet
but I mean for me to look at it I
believe that uh understanding where
these noise events occur and having that
data on a map that uh you know for in
the neighborhood officers to routinely
look at during you know certain time
periods that it happens you know that
would be the first step in my mind but
obviously that would be the council
mayor into the police department's
determination on how they build these
things
thank you
just
we've looked at a couple of these shot
spotters one that has
more I think General recognition they
only focus on gunshot detection this use
the term microphones really more
appropriate terms acoustical sensor
where microphone viewed more is just the
range of the human voice
these are all sound events so it could
be an auto accident could be other
alarms uh it's a more sophisticated
analysis and they're looking to develop
that as part of their deployment Here in
Schenectady
with the other things that we're doing
so how do you manage these
events uh maybe create a level of
deterrence and then appropriately use
you know Public Safety resources to
find
problem areas or
people who choose to do things that are
less than desirable to their neighbors
so I was also asked to see if I could
find out what pricing would be if we do
not have that at this point but what
they did tell us obviously is we already
have the
microphone's analytic sensors built into
the unit so it's strictly firmware
updates that it has to be made to the
unit and then you're probably a software
as a service charge for uh them to
analyze that the sounds and then provide
the feedback to us
Mr Farley so my question is kind of more
along the lines of us are
you know obligation to kind of balance
Public Safety balance the tension
between Public Safety and um privacy as
well right so when I hear you know
something like that like so I guess like
are these microphones are they able to
pick up like a consonants conversation
that they were having that's the first
thing I said that they do not record
that audio what they're doing is they're
taking that right up in that street
light head and analyzing that
information and just and just sending
the text of what that is back to a
dashboard and or email over to uh you
know whoever we deemed
um to obtain that so you know we are not
collecting that audio information right
because as I understood you were saying
like there's this this kind of just a
graduating thing so there's at this
level at first you know it's just going
to be sound detection and things like
that so I was just my question was more
along the lines of you know as we go to move to different
parts of it as it starts to they're
developing this
um
recording the recording someone's
conversation but being able to hear
somebody's conversation two different
things so I guess I'm wondering
um do does the technology as it stands
right now have the ability to
listen on to someone's conversation I
would imagine that they would have the
ability to build something that does
that but it is not available to us nor
has ever been discussed because they're
accomplishing out of a you know personal
uh information as well so they they want
to be able to use this throughout the
country and
um obviously don't want to get into any
kind of a personal data but it does
takes the normal background noise who
have normal traffic there's one level
and it looks for events for things spike
out of it and then taking that sound and
developing a unique signature from it so
that you know what it is it's an auto
accident is it a gunshot could it be
thunder like what's happening or car
back
was that kind of audio that that would
be so much data you know if you try to
be able to try to transfer that from
these units so it's definitely
I'm aware
any other questions so to uh Mr
coluccio's point with the classification
of sound events there's a fairly
substantial
um
application going on right now to
identify these and get them into the AI
environment in order to make those
classifications so that's coming pretty
rapidly if if it's not already here and
could you just speak briefly about the
lower technology and how they might be
able to integrate those with what we
have that's obviously much more
sophisticated sure well I mean Aurora
technology is for those of you that
don't know it's a communication standard
you're able to put a couple of three
four gateways through the entire city
and then connect different types of
devices
that you're looking to try to get
feedback from so those different devices
if there's just so many of them out
there they could be border sensors
temperature sensors smoke detectors uh
there's a uh flood sensors you're going
to look at it to measure the height of
the the river and you know exactly you
know hour by hour what the level is
there's just so many things out there
that you uh connect and again the
advantage is it's very low power so you
can use batteries that they can be
Standalone battery units that
lasts for a very long time as well
any other questions or comments so while
this certainly isn't the uh end-all
be-all solution to the noise issue that
we have it is the beginning
um
it's one of the biggest complaints I
think we all receive and uh it is a
starting point to try to at least
alleviate some of the issues that we
hear in the name it's a tool a tool a
tool just like you would be using um to
determine where police Falls are
throughout the neighborhood or the
higher call to understand if there's
something you know going on in
particular area so if you have this
information and um you know it gives us
the ability to enforce it better and
improve the quality of life for our
residents
oh thank you Mr Kutcher for the local
assistance so my guess is uh Miss mainly
for Andrew Luck so well why do we need
to go into executive session to to talk
about where the where they're placed at
that's just my question why would we
have to do that
well
there is
five minutes
obviously the location of cameras
um is you know you can obviously see
them but in terms of direction of the
cameras there's certainly Public Safety
considerations that need to be taken
into consideration
um when reviewing the cameras to see
what type of cameras they are and their
placement on the particular polls
um because they are used obviously for
law enforcement investigations and so
forth
so thank you Mr cliche for the brief
definitely one of my questions I don't
know if councilman follow me is able to
answer definitely as we hear more about
expansive and immersive technology like
becoming more technologically advanced
action net service line hopefully on my
own it's premature it's going to be
coming to our Police Department so it's
trying to understand is this tool of
resource able to be integrative into
that or is it to some lesser degree
maybe duplicated so I don't know if
that's been open to but just definitely
since we're looking at potentially
spending more dollars I would want to
make sure that we're maximizing range
I mean you know I don't believe this
either to be honest with you because I
think it's a supplemental device that uh
you know again is not something that we
currently are using we don't have the
ability to provide that kind of
information
um
certainly the ability to use it for
gunshot detection would be huge for us I
don't have the numbers and I certainly
don't want to speak for the police
department but I believe uh 50 UH 60 70
percent of gunshots vote undetected
uh that's because people think other
people report them they don't know their
gunshots there's a lot out there
historically from what I've read from
different cities that uh
have the reports and unreported gunshots
good point uh Miss Colleen Did you have
any intent with this discussion right
now
not at this point I think it's something
we'll keep addressing maybe once a month
or so because it is such a big issue and
uh you know routinely get comments and
complaints about noise so we'll keep
this on the agenda I mean quarter one at
23 is not that far away you know it'll
be here before you know it so I'll be
more than happy to keep an eye on it
follow it up and come and talk to you
again with the set so we can keep going
that's up to you I mean if you're
interested fine we can do it another
time everyone
thank you
because we've recessity so I say recess
to exact position
oh emotional recess second all in favor
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government operations and we have one
agenda item and it has around implicit
virus training
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um
yes so um well we almost happened lately
we also know that back in the well maybe
you don't remember but we did have the
discussion around this very similar
thing in March and unfortunately we're
here again so clearly there's a need for
it and so
um I was you know after our last
discussion which we kind of had some of
that discussion at this table
it obviously has not resolved things to
the point that they need to be resolved
so weak so that we as a council can move
along effectively and make sure that
things are getting done without all this
being let's just following is the
inviting that's clearly been out there
in the public and all of that
um so even though some things are
getting done they are not getting done
probably as smoothly as they could so
we're back here again and um I as I said
in March we should have we should
consider implicit bias training now I'm
highly recommending that we do that and
that we find a an organization that
first of all that is not none of us are
really connected to I know that we've
had some local groups doing it in
Niskayuna but those are all people that
we know are connected on one level or
another so to find an organization that
will come in and to do this training I'm
recommending that and I would like
feedback from the Council on that I will
be talking to HR in terms of training
dollars because it's not going to be
free but it is I believe necessary and
so I'm opening that up for discussion
and how if others have thoughts on that
or or suggestions or just want to
discuss it in general
yeah I think that you know it's
definitely something I need to do I
think that you know we are saying words
and often you know
if you say something and not have the
same understanding of the term that
we're using so I think that you know we
need to have some shared understanding
of words and Concepts and how they apply
and I think that
none of us is above uh perpetuating on a
certain ideology or outcome whether
that's conscious or unconsciously so I
think that it's really important you
know and I think the content Point
around like in fighting I think that
we all are adults and we all have you
know even in our different jobs and
things like that we've had problems I'm
sure with people at our job I'm sure the
public can relate to that but I think
that you still go to work and you still
do your job right and I think that this
just would just put us in a position to
do our job more effectively and looking
through the appropriate lens as we make
very vital decisions that impact the
material conditions of people that live
here I'm poor
um so I would be in support of it as
well I think that you know we were in
support of it back in March as well so
um I do think that um work for us as
Leaders to be able to explore
um you know whether it's about different
religions whether it's about different
economic backgrounds which comes up a
lot
um genders Etc I think that it would be helpful for us I think it
would be helpful for all the leaders
within the city
um so it might be worthwhile for HR to
actually be asked if they would put
together some implicit bias training
that many people in the city
departments as well as city council
would take part in so I would be
supportive of it
Council and not include the larger
audience that you suggested because
we're dealing with what's going on right
now with the council I'm not saying
that's not a good idea I have however I
think it needs to be separate and apart
from what we do here as a council and we
make sure that we focus that we knit
together this relationship and and do
what we need to do as a council so if
they want to do it outside and we for
the staff in terms of the staff we don't
we can't speak to that that has to be
something that the mayor says yes it can
or cannot happen
so um so for me it's really about us
making sure that as a council because
that's right now with the what the
situation is it needs to be addressed
um so again I would be um in support of
any program
um that helps unify the council
um I was in favor of it and we all spoke
about it and we're waiting for it to
happen prior to all this I know a lot of
things going on so I would definitely be
in support of of any type of training be
very useful to all of us
any further discussion
so at this point in time I will look at
look out you know reach out and look at
look for firms that do it that are kind
of local so that and and how we can pay
for it and all that so I invite all of
anybody else who wants to do that and to
forward that information should bring
that forward and then move that um as as
quickly as possible sister my name is so
suggestion that the human resources
department don't do it we might be able
to have the city insurance company pay
for all this training as they do with
some of the other trainings so that
might be something that would be
beneficial and then that could also then
hopefully be extended to every single
City employee
so I think I I think that's a good
suggestion and also
as far as R we have a very unique um
responsibility the decisions that we
make so and you know
make sure that we have a
um a training that is responsive to our
need and it really kind of removes some
of the layers and helps us understand
how our own life experiences and
ideologies show up in the decision we
make um and I think that that's a
different training or different
professional development than kind of
the larger
um
uh that larger audience but they
definitely work together and they
definitely can you know kind of um can
build off each other but I think that we
have a really
um
we have to be intentional about making
sure that we are
getting some information that helps us
better make the decisions that we're
making and so I want to you know make
sure that we we don't conflate those two
things because kind of to your point but
so I don't think it's either or it's a
yes and I think we're all on the same
page which is a good thing on honest so
Mr Williams just for records since
everyone else spoke because it was
appropriate for me to add my two cents I
think whenever you discuss a training I
think the positive is it provides you
the opportunity to pause and then
reflect and then provide you the tools
and resources to be able to
strategically address some issues moving
forward so I definitely would not be
opposed to that and I definitely look
forward to hearing more discussions
about this and I appreciate um support
field putting this on agenda
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again it's time for the discussion so um
in two weeks I'll bring it back with the
information that we talked about again
if anyone has a suggestions please email
them to me okay and I will speak with HR
regarding um possible opportunity to
class to cover the cost okay thank you
okay
with that I will uh
thank you
call the order stage development
planning we have six items on the agenda
uh the first item is the ceremonial
resolution for Italian American Heritage
and culture month Mr palomini we do this
every year
um
this would just be the same thing we
usually do but it will be presented at
the sons of Italy celebration I believe
it's October 15th
oh it's better
second all those in favor aye
okay next item on the agenda is a
ceremony resolution Rotary International
World polio day yes this is Patrick
thank you on October 24th which is a
date that we meet uh is actually World
polio day Rotary International has been
for years
um invested in on trying to eradicate
polio from our world we came very very
close to doing so and for some reason
it's popping back up again probably with
in relation to the vaccination piece
um that's why it's happening our
Schenectady rotary clubs in general all
do work raise money have programs
educational programs Etc
so I'd like to ask that we have a
resolution that we would present on
October 24th to members of the sky the
president and the polio chair of the
Schenectady Rotary Club
any discussion
so moved second always
I'm three it starts with me anti-linear
action plan
um Mr Toro Ms Patrick Mr Palmyra
I can start
um so a couple of weeks ago we we gave
you all the um the it starts with me
anti-litter action plan and we were
basically just looking for some feedback
and your thoughts on some of the ideas
and suggestions
um we'd like to move forward with some
of these so that's another piece that we
look for your
ideas on you know some of this to pull
out but you know sort of from Big
Picture general what did you think uh
down to what are some of the things that
we could start with
um so I leave it open to discussion if
you haven't started starting point that
you were thinking about
um I think that in terms of some of the
lower hanging fruit one one of the
things um that I think would be
um not easy but one of the lower hanging
fruit I guess I should say would be the
idea of talking to businesses in the
city and perhaps requiring that business
small businesses in the city have their
trash cans put out in front of them
um so they would be required I mean that
would be something we really would need
to talk about as a council to require
businesses to have trash receptive
receptacles and to be responsible for
making sure that the front of their area
of their business is kept clean I think
we all probably see that at different
sites around around the city that
sometimes it's just you know a ton of
trash out in front of some of our small
businesses so that was one of the areas
that I was thinking about
and I don't know if you want to add
anything here um I thought we would pull
from that at first seeing that
the trash cans and also
um just designating perhaps an employee
during some off time after a few
McDonald's back in high school and
things and Stewart shops especially have
someone out there all the time picking
up the trash and then presenting them
with a certificate maybe once a month or
something
quite a few I'm sure we all drive around
the city and there's
multiple times a day
um
a lot of businesses just don't seem to
care and kind of chain businesses too
and what's it take just to go out and
pick up a few pieces of trash
and put it in a plastic bag receptacles
aren't expensive and um you know
appropriate receptacles I know um
I know Metroplex does fund sometimes a
few of them they just did a whole bunch
on Crane Street again those are all
things we're looking into but just in
the meanwhile just you know stopping in
businesses getting a list asking them
just to pick up on a daily basis and you
know at the end of the month we you know
go we present a certificate you know
thanks for keeping the neighborhood
clean so that's where I thought we were
we could pull from which wouldn't be
much money at all at first so
yeah I think the garbage cans is
something that is a good starting point
for discussion
um requiring that these businesses have
them but also maintain them because we
all know businesses that have them and
there's garbage everywhere because
they're not emptying them so that's a
big problem and perhaps an easy starting
point where we can all get on board is
the certificates of a business saying
yeah I'm agreeing to these whatever
principles and they have the certificate
that they can present and display that
they're part of this and that that might
be an easy starting point and then the
discussion of the garbage cans have
obviously take perhaps a little bit more
but I would imagine most of us could
you know with some tweaking get on board
with things like that
Mr Williams so I don't know if I'd go as
far as to say this business is not
caring and they're working at Ortho New
York and downtown Schenectady sometimes
the wind will just blow trash so I think
some of it is just displaced
accountability where some people may be
expecting the city to clean it up
however the city is functioning with the
business owners need to take it and
address that themselves I think having
business owners identify that yes this
will be a aspect of your storefront that
you will maintain is appropriate so I
definitely think that this would be a
good start definitely with having trust
receptacles present I think the only
thing that I want to make sure is that
there was a an outline for removing said
trash or if it is not picked up in a
timely manner who would ultimately have
to maintain it just because we could
ultimately make the situation worse by
piling up the trash only to tip over and
blow down the street which I would not
want to happen
so in terms of the the signal the
signage that you're talking about you're
talking about something coming up from
the mayor's office that says from the
central city of Schenectady so it's
through the mayor's office
it doesn't really matter but there's
examples and uh in the packet
um just something a business saying you
know what these are the principles we
agreed to and uh we want to keep our
establishment clean and we're displaying
this as you know we're on board that's
and it sends a message to the patronage
that yeah this business is going to keep
try to keep it clean and we should do
our part hopefully and put it in the
garbage can
so as I mentioned before if you talk to
Mr Pond and I'm not sure if you did at
this point because there's been some
ongoing discussion uh regarding trash
and how much of it and all that and part
of that discussion was around the
businesses that's why I was wondering if
you and I actually haven't I haven't
spoken to him yet so I know that he um
this the mayor
um and myself and um
Mr O'Hearn have met and that was that
was part of the discussion so that's why
I wanted to make sure that if there's an
overlap there that we are all talking
the same language and moving in the same
direction yeah we would have to make
sure of that so yeah um I will make
myself a note and and do that
I don't know that if he has seen this
proposal I haven't given it to him oh I
don't know okay Carl do you have Mr
Williams do you have one I wasn't sure
because you weren't here at the last
okay I brought an extra copy in case
would you any other but oh sorry
but I think it's one thing we all can
agree on is that something needs to be
done I mean to keep the trash out the streets
and as far as receptacles I mean every
city trash can again Mr Williams good
point uh the one in front of front of my
business
um is empty by the city so again on
who's supplying the receptacles would
depend on who would need to empty them
so I would think well
get a beat on that as well yeah but it's
something that really needs to start I
can speak to that when we put them out
in our in our community
um they were the city workers had to do
it yes so which is why as I said before
I went to meet with them and talk to
them you're going to have 28 more trash
cans now to empty so if we're talking
about the businesses and asking the
business which I think is makes sense
asking them to be responsible they have
to put out trash anyway right so just
you know emptying that it would just be
one other bag and I know that um well
there's a particular business that I
heard from the other days they don't
want trash in front of their business
and he's like can you move the trash can
because it wasn't being empty so uh so
businesses are clearly concerned about
that um so yes but we just have to make
sure who's going to be responsible so
and I also know that
the Sweet Streets we proceed to think
that the trash that's in the street gets
all done by the collectible street
sweeper but it doesn't necessarily
because
probably the next day there's more there
right right after they've already gone
through so we definitely need to you
know I'm not sure exactly what your list
of priorities and how you want to
prioritize and where you want to start
but definitely I 100 agree it's
something we've been battling for a long
time that we need to continue to move
forward Mr Farley yeah so what I what I
like about what you guys presented on at
our last meeting was that this is a
multi-pronged approach here and I think
that we don't want to live you know
the great be the enemy of the good or
very personally we just want to say like
so you know
it is a good opportunity for the city to
collaborate with business owners and I
would say
I would think most reasonable business
owners you know if they recognize that
we are paying attention and we're saying
hey you know this is expectation for you
to do business in the city and if you're
doing business responsibility and you're
upholding these values then a way to
celebrate people I think to incentivize
behavior is always a good thing
um so
you know we do have to be mindful about
you know small businesses and you know
one thing about our small business you
never have enough money you never have
enough time so we want to make sure that
we're our expectations are in line with
them and we're looking ways to support
them through that but I think that it
doesn't have to be you know it can it
you know we can start with just you know
conversations with business owners like
hey this is the effort that we're trying
to do and I think this isn't something
that's necessarily new so maybe just
like re-energizing that conversation can
help refocus people and I think once we
start drawing attention to it and good
attention to those who are complying
um then I think that we're off to a good
start so I say you know I don't know
exactly where you want to start but I
would say you know even if are as we're
trying to recording City efforts and
things like that maybe just
you know
uh you know a block at a time or just
focus on a couple blocks of the time
engaging business owners just saying hey
this is something that they were talking
about we want our own make sure that you
guys are paying attention to it we're
paying attention to it and recognizing
people who are you know being good
citizens
I think we could do that that doesn't
cost anything
and also housing developments because we
have some neighborhoods have quite a few
um some and some do better than others
in terms of keeping their area clean and
most of them have maintenance apps that
they can send out to do that
yes
um thank you
um so I guess
um this is good feedback I think one of
the things that I haven't mentioned this
to MS detoro MR Paul many but I think
maybe a good Next Step also might be to
put some of this into more of a timeline
um and uh as you say probably set some
priorities um and maybe add some budget
figures as well
to some of this in areas where there
might be for example some of the
equipment that is outlined in here as
possibilities I'm looking at Mr Mr
O'Hearn
um you know there obviously would be
budget implications for some of the
equipment so
we'll talk about that as well and come
back
okay and if anybody has any further
comments or suggestions please let us
know
so do you want this back on in two weeks
oh I'm sorry uh yeah I'd say two weeks
yep
I was just gonna suggest that in that
time span that we're all that we're
working together as I think this is
something that we all understand to be a
high priority that we all have common
ideas and thoughts around this I think
this will be a great opportunity for us
not to um side over the conversations
and report it out just kind of like
and as things are happening but let's
take advantage of this to kind of throw
some momentum and work together as a
full Council to represents
foreign
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