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Good. Good evening everyone. I would
like to call the city finance committee
to order and we are discussing the 2023
uh budget this evening and this evening
we'll be touching on revenue the city
council the clerks the mayors the law
department judgment claims police fire
department
to go first
whatever the chair person
yes if you don't mind um before you
start there were some questions. So, I'm going to pass around
um the answer to some of these
questions,
please.
This one here is the unfilled position.
This is question from Miss Toro.
Good answer. And these are question from
Miss Patrick. Good answer.
Unfortunately, we don't have the answers
to Miss um questions.
I don't know why you missed that. the
question. Uh,
thank you.
We have that. So, we'll try to get that
in as early as possible to
I'll ask them and then
copy that.
No, we can make
Oh,
that's Dean's I think. Um,
so
we also have a question that was asked
from the clerk's department for revenue.
Okay,
this is in our package.
Yeah,
thank you.
job description was asked, but we only
have two copies.
So, I will make the job description.
Just the top sheet for the mayor.
Yep.
Yeah, just the innovative thing.
Yeah, I got them both. The one for both.
Yeah, just two copies. So, I want
copies. Okay, that's fine. Or you want
me to make copies of
No, I just was wondering what the
I have here.
Thank you.
This one.
Yes.
All right. I just want to do a quick uh
overview of the water permit. Uh um
compared to 2022, the request is only
$11,150
more. Uh it's only a 1.15%
increase from the prior prior year.
Andrew, anything you would have to add
to that
in terms of the overall numbers? Uh no
department as a whole.
Sure. Um certainly touch on that. I know
there was some pointed questions. Um we
have not filled the deputy corporation
council position. Um it has been vacant
this year. Um obviously we're looking to
uh fill that position. Uh one of the
questions um point of questions related
to the increase in that um salary. Um we
did fill an assistant corporate. I will
speak generally. It's been difficult to
find um attorneys
um to to come work for the department.
Um, we lost an assistant corporation
council a couple weeks ago. Um, there's
a question about the the pdium salary at
the bottom of the budget. Um, we're
using and we have a an assistant
corporation council who's part-time who
works approximately 15 hours or so per
week. Um, part of that was related to um
his pension and retirement um because he
previously worked at the DA's office. Uh
I anticipate he will continue working
for the city in 2023 on a part-time
basis. Um so obviously we're looking to
fill uh the open positions
um the deputy corporation council
position and now we have a vacant
assistant corporation council position.
Um, as you all know, um, the work in the
law department doesn't slow down. Um,
you know, we are in court practically
every day during the week. Um, you know,
we're working with the various
departments. Um, you know, obviously,
you know, working with legislation for
the council and for the mayor's office.
Um, you know, drafting contracts,
negotiating contracts so things don't,
as I said, things just don't slow down.
Um but there is a need obviously to fill
positions and part of that uh increase
for the deputy corporation council
position is to um be competitive uh and
fill the position because it's been
vacant as I said for a year.
Any questions on this section? Go ahead.
So with the um vacancy of the recent
assistant corporation council, are you
anticipating any changes to the overtime
or how does that how would that affect?
We don't offer overtime um so it's you
know if we did you know back when I was
an assistant corporation counsel um you
know and working you know certain weeks
60 hours I would have logged over time
um but you know we put in the time that
we have to put in and get things done.
Thank you.
Tuition reimbursement. I see that you
have that there.
So that would be um attorneys have
requirements related to continuing legal
education. Uh we have to do 24 hours. Um
experienced attorneys need to do 24
hours every two years. Uh 12 and 12 per
year.
Um so you know I just finished some CL
not too long ago. Actually I didn't put
in for reimbursement. uh is there so
that attorneys can you know get the and
it has to be relevant to our practice
you know it can't be you know not for
profofit CL and it would have to be
something relevant to the type of work
we do uh but is therefore reimbursing
those continuing legal education credits
did you um did you expand any money from
last year's
um I don't believe we did we may not
have
not 2022 but we've had in 2020 And
that's why we created the line in 2022
because uh in 2021 we put it through
like administer
expense. We wanted to show what it was
before.
Any other questions? Go ahead.
Um so line a 142100 assistant
corporation council for ARPA. Uh, how do
you anticipate paying for this position
in the future when there's no longer
harmed funds?
To be frank, I don't know. Um, you know,
looking at this, it says $91,800.
I believe that this position is
currently filled. It might be by um Mr.
Marty,
by Chris Martney. Um, you know,
we have an open position right now. Um
in the past obviously the council's
aware that you know we had I think at
one point maybe six attorneys working in
the office and you know it's as it
stands right now um the budget includes
five positions um you know it's
something that would have to be
addressed in the future certainly um you
know I don't know if we can really
whittle away the number of positions
that we have based on the need um you
know that's something that would have be
explored I think in the future right for
you know 2024.
Um it's something that I'll talk to
obviously Anthony about and the mayor to
figure out how to you know make it work.
I have two other questions. Um so um the
predeem salary line what is that used
for?
Predium salary goes to an assistant
corporation council who's parttime. He's
paid hourly. um doesn't have any
benefits. Um he's retired from the DA's
office. He works, as I said, about 15
hours per week.
I'm sorry.
Does a good job, too?
Yes, he does.
And so, would you cover right now?
That that would be
so a big
I can ask that question.
No, when we when we go to that section.
Those are my questions. Apart from
attorney, you have like the record
access officer, code enforcement
specialist, confidential sex, IP
history. Do you have anybody else
working um within this department here
that is utilizing your budget?
Do you have anybody from OS
that is under your budget?
Should be in OS?
I don't know who should be where. That's
not my call to make. Um we have
obviously the assistant corporation
council positions, the deputy corp
council position. my position. The
record access officer is essentially
like the foil officer. Um it deals with
you know subpoenas that come over to get
records out. The code enforcement
specialist is um you know somebody who
oversees not just and there's some
overlap obviously in terms of what the
folks do because really a lot of times
it's all hands on deck. That person's
obviously working to get our code cases
prepared for for court and the IPS
position is in my office. uh the
confidential secretary again is in my
office. Um so in terms of any you know
those positions are all you know reside
within my office
and you you also have Charlie stepping
into your budget.
Um there is an assistant. Yes, there's
that's Charlie um is an assistant
corporation council
and does he does the work as an
assistant corporation council within
your department.
I can't well I can't speak for the work
that he does. Um I'm not aware.
Well, I took it and hired him. He's an
attorney and has broader scope
of projects.
Should I go to another department on
another department budget as a special
assistant project assistant something
just rather than the budget there should
be
well was using some of the money was in
this budget
are you asking to reduce the corporation
council budget office so where people
get assigned is one thing it's what the
budget numbers are something else
but the job description and what the
type of work they're doing
you know that whole thing would be a
separate presentation in terms of what
we're doing. There's been some
discussion on the modifying the garbage
fees. I put forth proposal
uh which is more generic. Also had
meetings of the council president, other
staff members looking at some of the
problem.
Uh the staff refers to it as jackpots
where people will literally put half a
ton, a ton, two tons of material out.
And it's how do we modify our fee
structure or collection process to
allocate costs to those problem
properties or
situations as opposed to the general fee
structure that we have in place for what
I call just the normal uh recyclables in
the garbage that people put out. So
Charlie has been working on that as part
of a bigger project.
No, I'll be referring my question is
that
downsize the law department and just
looking up to rather than having him in
the law department, why not move him
align
so the law department can hire an actual
assistance operation to function and to
assist with that department.
Well, if we had attorneys, I might look
at that, but right now that's who I put
where.
Any other question for the section?
Yes, that is page 16.
I was just going to ask could you say
the page number? So that's very good.
Thank you.
As you can see we got the same as 22
questions.
Go ahead. Um so uh for judgment claims I
was wondering how many current cases are
pending and is this enough to cover what
we have out there? We have a lot out
there obviously you know we have cases
that you know some cases obviously go on
for years you know so to know when
certain cases are going to be resolved
and how they will be resolved is you
know um we can only take an educated
guess and even an educated guess is you
know really just a guess um so to say
that you know if I tell you how many
cases we have that's not really going to
be indicative of when those cases will
win.
Um, you know, even if somebody's suing
the city for,
you know, millions of dollars,
hypothetically, that certainly doesn't
mean that a claim either has merit and
if it does have merit, that is worth $10
million, right? Be worth substantially
less. Um on top of that, even if we have
depending on the type of claim it is,
obviously we the city has insurance and
in most cases um we would be covered,
you know, um anything outside of our
deductible. Our deductible um is
$100,000.
Um so, you know, um even if a case, for
example, settles at a million dollars,
that would mean that the city's only
responsible for its deductible in
generally every instance. Um so I don't
have the exact number of cases that we
currently have pending. Um I don't you
know there are certain cases that you
know that will probably arise during you
know 2023. Uh there are certain cases
I'm sure that will be settled during
2023. Uh, you know, we I actually got um
a series of letters yesterday from one
of our outside counsel saying that, you
know, this two of our cases were closed
out because the plaintiff didn't take
certain action that plaintiff had to do.
I didn't anticipate that happening, but
it happened, right? And that's good for
the city in terms of potential
liability.
Um, so it's really hard to say exactly
where things will fall. I don't see any
cases on the horizon that um are going
to affect the city's um ability to pay a
deductible or anything outside of um a
case that would be outside of our
insurance coverage. Um and then
obviously we have taxerts as well which
is somewhat related to the lawsuit too.
Um again we have some big taxerts that
are out there but you know some of them
may turn into you know they may not go
anywhere and some of them may not be
resolved during the course of 2023. So
again I you know I it would be hard to
say exactly how much we need to allocate
for settlements or for lawsuits. Um it's
you know really a guessing game and I
think generally generally we've done
pretty well with anticipating um you
know what the cost will will be.
So thank you. So, um, then what's our do
you know our year to date for 2022?
How much we how much we've paid and for
I don't know the number off hand that we
offand but I I know it's aboutund and
some thousand we just paid.
I mean obviously the city council's
aware of certain cases that you know
we've some where it was you know the
deductible had to be paid. Um, and then
there are certain cases that fell below
the deductible, certain car accidents,
things along those lines where the city
council, you know, on the back end
approved. Um, and there have been a
maybe maybe one or two cases where it
was under the threshold to bring to
council.
Um, you know, where it was maybe like
$150 or something along those lines.
Um, so, you know, I think we can
certainly try to calculate those numbers
and get them to you.
Thank you.
Any other questions?
Thank you.
We'll we'll revert back to regular um
stuff, but we'll go to uh Mr. Ferrari
for revenue and then we'll work your way
through the rest.
All right, let's start with the revenue.
I think the biggest question is uh
property tax. I'm standing out here are
the county appropriations where we
assess that.
I'm sorry. Thank you.
And what we assess that how we got to
that number.
No, take it.
So our assessed value as of August 1st
is uh 2 billion434,447691.
Uh that number uh is not our final number.
That number uh uh that Molly uh closes
out on is in middle uh mid November. So,
uh, we're actually passing a, you know,
a tax bill an assumption that it won't
change. Uh, we're look we're looking at
the estimate of u at we're looking at
the estimate at that number. Uh, and
we're we we feel that uh
that because of that there' be no uh Oh
my god. Did I give you the one of the
numbers? Hold on here.
Yes, I think
but uh our tax our tax liability is
going to be 31,629,000
I think on your sheet on the next
it's 69,000 $20 a little different
but it actually the tax levies actually
the proposed tax rate actually stays the
same value might go up it might go down
uh there's a letter from um our uh
assessor who points out that uh uh that
it usually does move up a little bit but
that that change will only add to like
uh cent. So it might our tax rate might
go down to 1297 or 1296 you know but uh
that's something like she said she
cannot predict because of transfer of
property and removal exemptions as we go
along in the letter. So that that's how
we came up with the the amount of
631,629,000
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for uh real property taxes um and a tax
rate of $12.99 which is the same as of
last year. I also gave you a list of uh
of on that second page of all the tax
rates as we pulled just to give an idea
how it would been uh moving on that.
Um
uh the next big item was sales and news
tax. We worked with the uh connecting
county. We're looking at a sales tax
receivable of $16 million in 203. Um,
and we're hoping uh that
comes to uh fruition. Uh, let let me ask
one one of the big things I'm just going
to go for it right now is is uh uh the
trash charges.
And again, I'll pass out uh some
documents trash charges that uh the
first page is what it was at point as it
is right now without the change. Uh
Thanks. Sorry.
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Okay. So, so we're looking at this is if
we kept uh if we kept the uh the rates
the same, we're looking at a total of
5.2 million. Uh our uh our uh estimate
is that we wish to increase it by $1 a
week to 5 uh $2 uh $1 a week to $52 more
a week. But not only on the uh uh single
families but also on the exempt parcels
to go from 137 to 189 will give us an
increase uh to 6.3 million a $1.1
million uh increase. On the third page
I'm just trying to show the third page
shows the the budget of 22 and the the
new request and what it costs us uh per
year to run the waste division. As you
can see, we have a shortfall of 413,000.
And that doesn't include the indirect
costs like general liability insurance,
doesn't include a fuel for trucks, uh
electrical, heat, and repairs. Okay.
And uh the next page, one of the more
reasons why it went up was uh uh we had
them uh for the waste employment raises.
Uh in 2020 uh uh they were getting paid
$17.990 and as of 2023 they'll be
getting paid 2332
which uh is a $542
uh uh uh increase which is a 30%
increase in employment. These guys are
worth every penny. I'm not saying, but
I'm just saying this is why we need to
increase our rates. It's because uh not only not only as cost more to, you
know, have these guys working, but also
cost more for the fuel is going to
double up, all this other stuff. We're
asking a simple uh dollar a week more. I
spoke to my brother Joey. He has a house
in Glennville. Uh he has one container
and one recycle container. He's a one
family house, two people in his house.
It pays $47 a month comes to like $500
and something dollars a year for a
single family. What with our new rate
are we're asking for a single family is
301. So you still a slow deal for the
city of connecting. So I just want to
put you in mind that you know
everything's increasing. Uh the recycle
fees they're going from 125,000 last
year to 175,000 this year. Uh our elots
you know where for our TVs and stuff
like that they they won't even contract
with us anymore because
their their weight is so much higher.
They're like, "Hey, if you got to either
pay this or not, you know, so we can't
even go out and contract with them
because it changes." So that that is our
uh uh reasoning of increasing uh the
waste
uh department
to 6.3 million. Uh what else
before you go?
Yeah. Um McCarthy, when you present your
budget, u you had mentioned that um the
waste collection does not factor in
sight collection revenue.
Uh
the summary
the budget
the whole budget has it that summary was
done not include the revenue that we
derived from the village of Scotia. Does
this include
that's a contractual thing. I mean we
have it now. I think we have it for two
more years or one more year,
but who knows if they're going to
continue that,
but that is not in here.
That is not part of the uh
Okay. Science. Yeah. Uh and that is that
is a 500 uh 40ome,000.
So uh really for us it would just break
us even because we're already without it
we're 413,000 a year in the hole. Add
another 540. But like I said, they
include insurance, they include fuel,
didn't include maintenance. So 540,000
per year. We have two more years
at this contract.
Yeah. In fact, they called me today. I
called them today to make sure where
they're at.
586.
Go ahead.
I'm just a little confused on that one.
So are we I just want to clarify again.
So that 540,000 or whatever
586. It's not that factored. It's not
factored in that page,
but it is in the budget.
Yeah. That's what I wanted to make sure.
But I'm saying that Since that's
contractual, that can leave us at any
dime.
And we can't raise that rate because the
contract lasts for two more years. That
was one.
Yeah, our our rate does increase.
It increase year,
but like I said, it might be that they
might not
renew it. So, I I didn't
Well, you don't want to say that.
Yeah. Well, I'm just saying I'm just I'm
just saying I'm conservative doing this.
Yeah. We wanted to re they have gone out
and looked at other options and the city
of Skenki is the most cost effective for
the bill of Scotia shows that we run a
very efficient operation and we look at
that partnership as an example of uh
good relationship with other
communities. Our ability to deliver
services at a cost effective price
point.
Um someone's mentioned earlier
missionary
is working with someone. So
here we have a single person senior with
one can and then thousands of packages
you know trash in front of another
house. Is there a way to
over time
but that one single person in one house
for trash is only pay9 a year.
Okay.
is with increase.
No, no, no. Not I I don't have a problem
with the increase. I have a problem with
people putting out, you know, a thousand
bags of track.
And that's what we're looking at.
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Okay.
Cost effective manner that we can manage
and enforce and
put in.
That's my concern.
I'm not sure we're going to have a
formal recommendation by the time the
council adopts a budget. It would just
be an ongoing process. And again, as the
council, it's closer to November 1st. If
there's things that we can modify in
some way,
uh want to do it. It for basic homeowner
probably, it's a very good deal when you
compare it to what you pay in a suburban
location.
Having said that, there's still
inequities within the system because
it's so good. People take advantage of
it where they put out huge amounts of
material and we pick it up and
if it's that once in a-lifetime event,
my position would be more tolerant of
it, but there's some people who do it on
a more frequent basis. And it's how do
we adjust our rate structure, our
ability to document and field bill and
appropriately allocate those costs to
those higher yield
increased revenue
properties of
again the slang term that the uh cruise
us is a jackpot house and
the casino views jackpots in another way
more positive
cruise here. It's a negative.
And just for clarification, it's Mr.
Alhorn that's working that out.
Oh, okay. I thought I heard your name.
You didn't, but he's doing that work.
Yeah. And um I I know in Roderdam, I
mean, if you have a couch, you call, you
schedule the couch and they add that on
to your bill, you know, $30 to take the
couch away and you drive down Rendle
where I live. You know, there's 14
couches on the street every week. So,
yeah, it's a lot of work.
Let's back go back to page one. Um under
street crimes task force come from
you have 520 here versus last year.
Yes. Uh as of uh just recently I think
they cut two officers down on the street
uh county street crime task force.
We
go ahead please. Uh, so we lo we for a
couple months we gave them
of the analyst. Yes, we
No, you're talking about the street
task force.
The task force with the revenue they we
were they were paying us for an analyst
and we were giving them analyst. They
decided to hire their own analyst. So
they took that money out.
That's the redemption.
So that's one u
one
and you'll see that when we go into the
police department how the increase from
16,000 to 96,000.
That was the question.
And the next question is, did we not
receive some actual from the school this
year?
Excuse me.
Did we not receive some actual
from the school district? This year
from the school district.
We receive money from the school
district.
Yeah. 2022.
No, go ahead.
It probably wouldn't be until the end of
this quarter.
Oh, yeah. Just started charging.
Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, you
have zero here. We get an amendment.
Yeah, that's the
Should we adjust that
1520? I have it for 225. It's 50,000.
It's going to be for 34 plus 25,000 plus
34.
So 2022, should we have a number in
there?
What are we expecting?
Shouldn't that number be 300,000?
No, because because we're because the
first squad is in 2022.
I I don't know about the first squad. I
don't know if that's happening. Has it
happened?
We have a sergeant there now. I think
July 1st, but they are at school now.
Okay, good.
So, should we account for that money
under the 2022 adopted budget?
We will.
When we did the adopted budget, it was
not part of this.
It was 2022 or 202.
So, we're looking at So, we did an amendment to receive that
money.
But but we're looking because because
this is based on what we adopted in 22.
We did adopt it in 22,
you know. So, we did it in 23. We assume
to receive the first four two actually.
Understanding. But since we did an
amendment to the 2022 budget, we should
have actually
had done this before you.
Okay.
So I would like if you can do that.
Okay.
So that would be that would be an ask.
How much will that be? Do we think for
those two quarters?
75.
Okay. We have to read all those columns
there. John, I'm just kidding.
I don't understand. You know that
effect?
No, it's not. I think he's just trying
to be show the
I just want to show that we actually
received or get it last. That's not
affected. I'll just show it on paper.
Go ahead, please.
Okay. What else you want to look at?
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Okay. Someone asked a question about
hazmat.
I don't know who
we incorporated in a base number. So if
that carries an additional one,
Miss Michael, can you please u make a
copy of our sales tax agreement and
please pass it on to the new council
members?
Mr. To answer your question
agreement that is inapproporate into
Okay.
Uh, one of the things I have that I know
you're all interested is how we came up
with 5.8 million in AR for 2023. And so
I put out a sheet which actually
for what we did in 22 and 23 the front
and back.
Thank you.
I got it.
I got one.
Oh, I don't I don't have one. I'm sorry.
Do you need another one?
Here.
Oh, here we go.
Thank you. There's a line for all that
we have in the budget.
Actually, you can trace right back to
most
You got any questions?
Any question on this? Go ahead, please.
Well, that was my overarching number one
question that really didn't need to ask
any other questions, but and I see the
answer is that um so my question was um
after the 5.8 million goes away um which
is obviously filling many many
items here on this sheet that you just
gave us, what are we going to do? So the
answer is that we're going to get our
revenues back on track. Um, so I just
want to hear a little bit more about
that in terms of how we're going to get
5.8 million last years. A lot of our
revenues have really decreased or
actually just stopped and some are just
getting slow. Uh, you know, a lot of our
like our parking just starting to come
back now in 2022. We now ride on box
shows. So now we're starting to get our
parking revenues, you know, our fines
and stuff from the police department. uh
code enforcement uh uh you know that
they've been real slow because all the
problems for the foreclosure revenues uh
from foreclosures
uh all those revenues we feel that are
going to start coming back in and we're
hopefully that's going to happen we'll
get back on track. Do we have a rough
number as to like when you're saying
that they're well um that that they have
slowed or stopped? Do we have like
estimate number around like to what to
what tune that is and is it you know
comparable to this number in front of
us? I believe uh for
Yeah, I don't respect that.
For 2022, we figured uh you know,
revenues were down about 3 million
for uh 2020 2022. Uh for 2023, we think
it's it's start coming back and and
we're we're hoping they'll make it up
for that. uh we you know we're we're
trying to uh use this ARC money to the
advantage of us so that uh uh you know
we can uh finish the work that we're
trying to do uh get people into place
for work and use it to go forward uh as we show the jobs
provide more services you know code
enforcement now we're really building
our code enforcement up all our
different things so we can go out there
and get more revenues you know what do
you do if you can't make
You know, you know, you got to realize
too in in America, you know, this we're
having a recession. We're having uh
price increases. We're having uh uh what
do you call inflation? Everything's
going up. You know, we're we're like a
business here. You know, we hire we have
600 almost 700 employees. You know, we
got to think about what do we do? You
know, we might have to raise prices as
we say or you know, different lines
going forward.
revenues for the city. It's really
dependent on housing.
We haven't done the foreclosures
for almost two years now. We're going to
bring those online. Again, I had asked
for some ARPA money. The council hasn't
acted on that yet to be able to convert
some of that distressed housing into
affordable housing, create home
ownership opportunities within the city.
But that housing component where we do
it successfully, you see reduce need for
code enforcement, police, other services
and you create real value in the
neighborhoods and that has to be a
collective engagement that we're all in
is promoting the housing opportunities.
And as you look at that, you know,
skimmed over the first line is our
uncollectibles in property tax. The
interesting thing states can actually
during ARPA, our property tax revenue
stayed fairly consistent. In fact,
increased slightly basically every
quarter. The percentage of money that we
were collecting. there's still a
group of individuals out there, property
owners out there who do not pay their
taxes. That drives up our overall costs.
And again, when you look at where we're
the tax foreclosing unit, other
municipalities in the area have the
county as the tax foreclosing unit.
We're responsible for it. And that means
that we have to when they don't pay the
taxes, we have to collect it. Other
municipalities,
the county does it and holds the
municipality harmless. So when they
adopt their budget, they put a dollar
amount in there and the county will make
that number whole. City of Albany has
that or the county makes it whole. The
towns in Skenctity County are held
harmless by the county. The city
stands alone and we have to do the
collection and then we because we're the
foreclosing unit, we hold the school
district
harmless and we have to make up that uh
gap in school taxes. uh and it's how do
we chip away at that on an ongoing basis
to uh get some of the problem people out
who are it's long-term you look at some
of the properties they just don't pay
the taxes on it a lot of times they
shouldn't be property owners to begin
with but that is a factor that if
everybody paid their taxes and came in
budgets going forward are a lot easier a
lot simpler and uh
should be across the board tax cuts.
Any questions? Just back up a little.
The cannabis excise tax,
right? That's from the state.
Oh, that
you come up with that number.
From the state.
If that's all they can
give us. Well, well, they says uh uh you
know they're going to start doing stores
early in 2023.
I I you know, I asked them and they're
very unsure. That's an authority or
whatever associated over there. They're
pretty much they don't have they don't
have a lot of things in place
and uh they gave me they gave me that
estimate for the first year.
Where is that?
The last page page five.
Yeah. To the top.
Oh, I see it.
Once once that gets up and
running, we're hoping to make hundreds
of thousands.
That's what I wanted to see.
That's my question, right?
I wanted to put something in because I
knew we're going to get something. If if
we get surprised and we sell a lot,
we'll get some number. I don't know what
it is.
That's the number.
We got to get a year under our belt to
really have good predictions.
It's better conservative estimate.
Yeah.
Mor, I do have a question. Go ahead,
please.
So, I just wanted a little bit more
clarification on the revenue. Um, you
said, you know, you kind of gave an over
There are other specifics of Could you
show us specifically where we had that
loss in revenue over the next I mean not
right at this moment so we have
something to compare this other number
with
that we're projecting that we're going
to be able to recover in the next
like interest like for instance interest
on penalties you we're looking like
$100,000 loss. Uh we're looking at
uh franchise fees u we're looking at
probably
you know we're estimating $50,000 loss.
Uh
big one.
Are you looking at your actuals or are
you looking at
I'm looking at actuals compared to how
we're going.
So yeah. Uh you know we're we're
estimating now for instance uh if you
looked at the downtown parking in 2020
we had 93,000.
We're looking at 240,000 for 2023. I
mean that's we're picking up revenues
and I said that's how hopefully our
revenues are going to start coming back
again.
Um, our towing search charge. We're
finally making money on towing. Thank
God. Uh,
we're looking at raising like cash uh
150. We're
we went from in 2021 uh like plumbing of
licensing and electrical from like 190
180,000 down to 150. And now we're we're
actually starting to bring those back to
175. You know, now we're starting to
raise them, but we're saying there was a loss and we're hoping in
2023 we start the process of increasing
those revenues.
Mr.
So when you do that um when you when you
do give us this more specifics that Miss
Porterfield just it would be interesting
um and I'm sure I probably have it at
home but to also include the 2019 actual
revenue because that would be precoid.
So if we're projecting that, you know,
we're going to get back to a certain
level of revenue, it might be
interesting to see what was the revenue
in 2019 because looking at 2021, well
that's that's during co so we can't
really make that comparison just looking
at this because you know I I'm totally I
want to say that I'm totally in favor of
using the ARPA funding
for the purposes as outlined on these on
the sheet, but I just am concerned
especially when it comes to the staffing
issues. Um, you know, what happens to to
folks if if we don't raise that revenue
because now we're going to be hiring
people using ARPA. Um, and you know,
so most most of the positions uh that
were using ARPA for positions uh that
were never filled uh because of 19.
Sure. They were there.
was those are positions that were
there.
Yep. and now we're trying to fill them
again, you know.
So,
I'm not worried about that. The other
portion is is is the, you know, the
stuff for uh, you know, youth, the the
summer employment, other stuff like that
is is more of a concern, but
that all that all work out with the
increase, I hope.
Yeah.
So, let me recap. So we're asking for an
actual revenue breakdown from 2019
obviously to
from 2019 to 2022 up to date.
I can I and I'll do it. I can do it
tomorrow. I'll send it off. I'm going to
send it through email.
Thank you.
Any other question?
Yeah, I just want to know what is the
lead hazard reduction grant age 218?
Oh, we we uh uh our lead grant that we
have through the federal government is
we're actually sponsor. Uh we go out and
find homes that are have children that
have in their homes. We go out, we test
and and when when they are eligible, uh
we actually have a grant to go in and we
do take all the lead out of the housing.
Who actually does that work?
Uh right,
we we're we work with the county. County
does the testing.
We do we do all the paperwork for the
rehab and the inspections and stuff like
that. So we don't need to we don't have
to share anything just
No
money.
Okay.
And that that's a different grant than
the the piping. Yes. Right.
Absolutely. For housing for children for
children. Children.
Go ahead.
So this is so small but I just want to
go on record about the tennis fees
again.
Yeah.
Because I really I just feel like we're
losing revenue there. that that that
there's a you know, we're not getting
revenue from that we should be getting
um from the tennis. So, I know it's a
really small amount of money that's in
the budget, but I'd like to see us be
able to
I just put it in there just to always
remind us about that. I I believe that
uh when we do get a a director of parks,
I think that
Okay, just want to go on record.
Got to get those tennis tennis dollars
for
two is there. Come on.
Um, go ahead.
One final question on A589B,
the property management fee.
Uh, 159. Yeah, property management fee.
Uh, that is uh the fee that what happens
is uh uh when our code enforcement are
nuisance inspectors to a home and then
we have to cut the grass. We have to uh
you know take things out, clean out the
properties, we charge the owners. This
is one of the revenues as you see the
past few years has been real low
and that's because of the co now we're
actually going to start taking that up
again. That's why you know uh we're
going to go we have it up to 100,000 for
this year
we're actually going to be able to go
out there and do more
crews out there.
I actually have one more question.
Go ahead.
So, um, in terms of it's in the police
department when there's asset
forfeitures, does that show does that
show anywhere in our budget for income?
Asset forfeitures,
right?
Only if you sell anything, but
yeah, please.
No, this is your call. It has to be
independent financial
checking account. There's a lot of
guidelines we can share with you, but
it's um comes in be spent on certain items. You can't just use it for
salaries being used against the plan. In
other words, the bond in the face
basically to keep it like a separate
check. Unfortunately, it's actually
pretty low right now just because the
way government's acting federal with the
seizure money is really it takes years
for us to get anything. They just did
that a few years ago and it really kind
of clogged the wheel. Um, so we still
had the account we probably have 10 15
$20,000 in right now.
Less than 20.
So, so it's just a that's
why I describe it. It's a check checking
account within um finance.
Okay. So, it doesn't check.
It's not a general fund or anything
because you can't use it.
Yeah. You can't put into attaching
general funds and it's not you can't use
it for
Thank you.
Helps me get my haircut and stuff.
No big deal.
Go ahead, please. So I had a question
and a comment and thank you for the
background provider. Um
so referring to the refuse and trash
charges I just wanted to
throw it out there. I think whenever we
raise fees regardless of how much I
think the principle needs to be
addressed of if we're not increasing or
improving quality I would like to make
sure that the city is taking accurate
steps to ensure we're holding the
appropriate parties accountable. speaks
to the instances that in this tutorial
race, I would like to make sure that the
individuals that are bearing the cost of
this aren't being taken advantage of by
people that are throwing out more trash
occasionally. Um, I know it's definitely
not a an easy solution. Um, but I think
it's important for us to make sure that
we we address the underlying issue. And
then a question was for the downtown Y
parking meters, the A1741A.
Uh I've heard more times than not that
the uh technical devices that we use
uh are an
issue at times for people that don't
have cell phones or iPads or what have
you. Has that been identified as a a
factor inhibiting potential revenue in
this area?
Mr. Yes. So it has been uh very
troubling to get them going. Uh recently
with we were able to upgrade I think 17
of the kiosks they needed newly the
outside are the same but all the new
guts are in there large solar panels to
control them and as of yesterday all but
one are now working. Um there's one that
the part
is coming in. So yes that has been an
ongoing problem. We've been working with
a vendor for getting those corrected and
There's one as of today that is still
done. All the other kiosks should be up
and going. It's been very long going
process. We'll get parts and that
reprogram back and forth back and forth
that problem.
And the thing with the vendor too is he
had the same problem as everybody finds
to come out. You know, we had one guy
who was doing the whole east coast.
Yes. One guy was out. He won't be back
here for several months. He was flying
west somewhere and said basically we're
not coming back.
We'll walk you through stuff. One of our
parking guys stepped up and uh learned
the system and started working on it. Um
and he did a great job and now it's
that was
they are working.
They'll be giving him ideas.
Go ahead please.
So in terms of the park is it now that
you have to have you have to like have a
ad or something? Can you use money
anymore? How's that? How can you use
cash anymore?
So use money the kiosk at the kiosk
working. You can actually use credit
card or cash and then or you can use the
passport app. So you can do either way.
For a while the kiosks weren't working.
And so use the app or
we are on it monitoring it to make sure
that this is not happening. from a
revenue standpoint someone mentioned
2019 I think if you go back you'll see
an increase downtown was really
progressively getting more and more
revenue so in 2020 the world stopped
back so increase you know we increased
our revenue lines but we really think
it's a low estimate because more and
more people come downtown
and that's an actual in 2021 so that's
because we're only increasing it $4,000
or something less than for 2021
conservative.
Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. So, I I agree.
I I just have a comment on the abundant
vacant properties property uh fees. This
can be a good thing and a bad thing that
we have less vacant properties or we
reinforcement.
Yeah. We we uh we actually reduced
abandoned houses by there was almost
100, right? And uh and right now again
because because that's happening, we're
working with Kona Enforcement now.
They're going reo redeveloping their
whole task force to go through and you
know re redo that again. So uh yes,
we're very happy of the outcome. Of
course, you see that you know the price
of homes have uh have increased and so
you know less and less people are
walking away you know.
No, I did want to mention it.
Yeah.
Any other question on revenue?
Go ahead.
Uh, last question on homes in this
period. Uh, since we kind of spoke about
homes, the sale of homes, the homeless
program, uh, I see that increasing from
2022 to 2023. So, I need to make sure
that the mayor gets his kudos for that
program. Is there anyone can get a
breakdown of how many houses that
actually or what that number is? Uh
the is that
you call that the projected revenue
or
the houses that we have
2020 2021 2022. Can you get a breakdown
of what that looked like?
Yeah.
The the historical one that we projected
one is because we haven't done the
foreclosures. There's some
wiggle room still in terms of the actual
ones we're going to take in, but
believe that they will be in a better
condition than what we've been doing
historically and uh
going to put pressure across the board
because we're going to take in a a
bigger chunk of property. So, it's the
law department code enforcement be able
to turn them around, market them, and uh
get them back to, you know, ideally
homeowners in them, but some of them,
you know, will be commercial or
rental units, but yeah, we can give you
the historical stuff and then the uh
ongoing one. You'll know it, you know,
as soon as we know it with the
foreclosures.
s on the paper today. Uh there was our
foreclosure notice in the newspaper
today.
Yeah.
Over 400 properties.
So
we haven't foreclosed in since the co
2020. So we're going back to 2018. So
you know, uh sorry to say a lot of the
houses available for sale.
Any
other question?
We're good.
All right,
the next one will move into council. Who
want to take this
city so hard?
City council has not changed.
Who's Who's going to ask for a raise?
That was your time.
All right, let's keep moving.
Um,
as soon as page, we can do the mayor's
office.
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Page one.
Was he on the list?
Yes.
Yeah.
Yes.
Okay, let me see the mayor's office
here. Uh the mayor's office, his budgets
increased by 11,5858
at 3.23%
and that's mostly increases mostly due
raises on his back.
Go ahead, please.
Is that the physician innovation and
performance? Is that the one you had a
question on?
Yeah, I just was um wondering about
that.
I have the job description as here. You
can have it and then if anybody else
wanted to see it since you had a
question
over the
It is a data analysis. I I wasn't sure.
So, this is is sort of data analysis.
It's a major component. Yeah.
I also had a question.
Oh, no.
Okay. Anybody else want to see this? How
long was the P position vacant before we
just filled it?
Uh, close to a year.
I would say a year. So um
so I was curious about the salary
increase since there was no one there
right so uh when
last she left at 50 something
uh the new person started position at 60
uh and manager position with raises are
4% went up to 62 400
so in the nine months there was an
increase you hired new personality
we hired 60,000 correct
And like similar question for the um
administrative assistant to the mayor is
or also a vacant position right now.
is correct.
So there's also an increase. So we're
anticipating hiring.
Yeah. Because when we when we put the
budget together, she was not do we
anticipate her?
Oh,
we anticipate her meeting.
So we anticipate hiring at this at this
rate then?
Probably at
whatever rate the mayor wants.
Okay.
Just turn to the next page and just the
top there.
Next page. Page two.
Mayor, you just want to give us a brief
on this $25,000
and the uh council had put that in there
last year to give me some flexibility
for
hiring people because some of the pay
scales
uh were on the low side.
uh I've approached it with a position is
vacant
uh after the first of the year and I
fill it and I have to
offer more money than what is there. I
can still do it within the existing line
item because we built up a little bit of
surplus. I don't think we used any of
that this year other than
we tried to but they wanted
uh we also was uh thought we charged a
little bit for advertising out of that
for LinkedIn or one of the uh
that might still be in the pipe. It
might be some non charge out of that but
I'm looking to the council's
consideration to leave that in place for
one more year so we can stabilize the
workforce and uh
be able to hire the position across the
board.
No, I just wanted you to mention it for
the new council members to get an
understanding of why we put that in last
year to give you that push.
Any question? Go ahead, please.
So, an example of how you would use that
line u includes like just going higher
on the face. Is there any other
that is what it's there for. But what
looked at is somebody's at uh salaries
at $52,000.
The position is open for the first three
weeks of January.
I could offer 55,000 and still be within
that budget so that I would not have to
come back to this line. And again, I try
and be as conservative as I can with uh
hiring and spending money.
Sometimes that helps me, but sometimes
it doesn't build much morale.
Thank you.
So, I would think now um with the labor
market the way it is that, you know, I
support leaving that there because it
seems like we're going to need to be be
a little more competitive than what we
been able to be. Um, so could you use
that as also like um like a I don't know
I guess not right term for that but
maybe like a a bonus for people signing
on to or accepting a position or I I had
thought about that but if not had the
scenario come in so that we could
possibly do that and again the council
if you have people who have any interest
send them my way.
And the other thing with still uh
employees within the city of Skenctity,
there are
what I would call comparable jobs out
the market where the salary may be
higher, but the total benefit package
for the city is actually as good or
better when you factor in retirement,
the health care,
other uh benefits that are included in
that. And sometimes, you know,
people uh want the immediate cash in the
paycheck and don't look at the overall
package. So that's part of the just
selling public employment to uh
individuals who are looking for
long-term people want to make it a
career working for the city.
Anthony has a couple years under his
belt.
I I think I'm the the oldest guy here. I
mean longevity wise in the city and the
most time
he's shaking his head duly noted that
he's shaking his head when I started be
here for five years
you start 70 84 excuse me 89
there you go wow
any other question on the section we did
all right let's um move on to the
clerk's department and that is page Six.
Uh, city clerk, the city city clerk her
total bud is only up 11,110.
Uh, 4.3% uh 4.36%
increase from last year and that again
is mostly to uh you know increase
salaries because contracts.
M you want to do those with you?
Since you're here, not putting you in
the spot.
Um, what would you what would you like
to
Well, I see there's a deputy register
that I asked for. It's not in there.
Deputy registar position that's in
there.
Okay. I wanted to have that built. So, I
have another person in there that's
responsible for all the vital records.
the uh position the difference between
the IPS3 and the uh position for deputy
registar or the civil service
uh classification are different
position.
Yes.
So, so can you dive a little can you
dive a little deeper and give us a
little bit like a summary what's
happening in your department in terms of
you know like what you do on a daily
basis not you but your department
it seems that services have increased
because other municipalities are now um
closing to leaving
services only for their municipalities.
So, um, they're only serving the
residents in whatever city, town, or
village that they're doing where we are
open to serving everyone in the state
regardless of um, you know, specifically
marriage records. So, we're getting an
increase with those. Everyone's coming
in and they take a while to process, you
know, so there's more time, more people
coming in. We have people coming in and
sitting and waiting.
Because even from the city coming up
here to get something done.
Why don't we do that?
I was going to ask why why why don't we
state allows for um certificates to be
done anywhere in the state and then used
anywhere in the state. But certain
municipalities now because of COVID have
limited to just their residents.
Like a marriage certificate for example.
I thought that you had to have the
marriage certificate in the jurisdiction
in which you were going to get married.
Correct.
Anywhere in the state anywhere in the
state. Yes.
And it but is that a point of revenue
for us or
Yes, it is. Yeah.
So, so
that's why I haven't limited it.
Yeah. So, the thing is but you need
someone to support that process and we
do it a little more efficiently.
Yeah.
But but right now the IPS3 is doing
that.
She is. So that isn't the job
description under the civil service.
Could we petition to change the job the job title slashposition
responsibilities through cse you know
through the I know I used to have to do
that all the time at the community
college.
We could we could do that but the the
issue is that we still need the body
because we are getting increase in in
requests and customers coming in.
Yeah.
Oh, please.
The actual revenues are down though.
So,
kind of doesn't
add up, I guess, cuz in 2019 there was
almost 10,000.
This year we're at 6,000. Last year
8,500
for marriage licenses.
So that's
2022 though isn't a full year. That's up
until I think August
September.
You got to remember too many ain't going
to go out in that quarter. It's still
only 8,000.
You also have to add in the 4491 from
marriage. It says marriage by mayor, but
that's not really what that is. That is
actually marriage certificates.
That's where the Bureau of Social put
in. So for marriage license and
certificates
10,400
are your staff. You have Are you fully
sty?
What would be for
30?
No, it's be up to the 47570.
That 47570 increase the 5,000.
So would you take the 5,000 42570
if it's just a better register? I mean
the IPS3
yeah it would be
yeah so that so that
register 42
570
so the IPS would be making less
yeah IPS would be 42570 then register
making 42570 they'd be the same grades
22
I'm not sure what the grades are
I'll look it up I'll let you know
and the uh marriage to the
budget for the mayor's office for
revenue for marriages that I perform
under
some situ I'm entitled to keep that
money. I've never done that have uh just
put it back as a revenue line item in
the city. There are other individuals
who perform marriages within this
building that uh you know it's an attractive setting for people
when you look at have to go out and rent
a hall or someplace else. People come
here and it might be the council could
uh just enact a fee for the building
where I try to put it's now $75 is the
fees set by the state to perform a uh
marriage
and just change that to a
building fee or
apartment fee. Again, it's still a very
good deal. It's a nominal thing and we
accommodate uh individuals coming in to
right move around uh do the uh
photographs and make it a good
experience for
we have a fee for is $4,500.
Is this going to cover that training
that we approved um a week ago, two
weeks ago?
When where are you
the 4,500 city the next page
we use that for
license
right
is that is that going to cover that that
um what is this
training
no we're thinking of using that through
the city city council's fees for
services
but actually we're actually trying to
get it
yeah we're trying to get
just so you know
Good luck.
Oh, no. No. We can find people that
Okay. No, I I just want to make sure
that we have coverage.
No, this 4500 is for license and
we do have we have fees for service.
Yes, we do.
Oh, what's that?
Sure. It's a couple.
Any other question regarding this
department?
Okay.
All right.
So we'll move to the fire.
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Oh, okay.
Anthony, you want to give us a brief and
then I ask chief to give us
administration?
I actually uh the fire administration is
up 387,725
hours, which is only a 3.11%
increase. Again, this is mostly almost
100% due to salary increases and
longevity increases.
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So like Anthony said that the increases
are are in salaries. Uh there are some
lines that have gone up.
Uh and
some of them are oneoffs.
Uh some items that we have to purchase
this year or 2023.
Uh for instance are a
ballistic test have have uh come to the
end of their life. That's a $50,000
increase or $50,000 bill that we'll be looking at. Uh we're looking at
a new reporting system and uh it's quite
expensive. We we're not settled in.
We're going to be purchasing this one.
We're still doing our research, but we
budgeted for it and it's a $25,000 just
a setup cost. And then um it is going to
be a little more expensive than the
reporting system we have. Some of our
other cost increases are due to um
inflation and supplies and whatnot being
costing more. For instance, some of our
medical supplies are up 30%.
Um, some of that is due to some changes
that have been made in the medical
field. Typically, years ago, if you went
to a cardiac arrest, you're um you would
get there, you assess the patient, they
were in cardiac arrest, you would treat
them, you would package them, and you
get them to the hospital. That has
changed now. Now, you would treat them
at at their home. You get to a certain
point where you feel you've done
everything possible
and you would call a doc and you would
get a secure order and you would leave
the patient there. And what that
translates financially is all those
supplies that are used on that on that
call, which is quite expensive, um
you're not reimbured. If you brought
them to the hospital, you could
restock your your supplies there. If you
leave them at home, you can't do that.
And for instance, just one item that you
might use is a needle, a special needle.
It's called an interosius needle. Um,
which is the go-to in cardiac arrest
because it's quick and it's almost
foolproof. It's very expensive. Each one
of those needles about $120
and you're not getting reimburseed for
that. So, a cardiac arrest could cost
you $400 or $500 that you're not getting
reimbured. And we do I don't know the
exact number 120.
Um
another one off is some equipment that
we need. Our water rescue suits have to
be um replenished to come to the end of
their life and that's a 13,000
$13,000
um cost to the ship.
Another item that's a oneoff is uh we're
establishing a
team. It's technical emergency medical
services. U that's going to be will be
working with the police. Uh providing a
paramedic when they go out on their um
SWAT
missions
who are splitting the cost with with the
police. there's an initial startup that
we need some equipment. Uh and then in
future years there'll be about half of
that cost for us. So
that's an overall some of those bigger
items.
Okay. So we can start from 23 and just
go through and if we have questions
we'll just go back.
Yeah. Miss Williams, you had some.
So to your immediate comment about the
cost of the needles and thank you for
providing that an overview. Is there any
opportunity for cost sharing with our
local hospital? I imagine that might
have come up.
No, not really.
They're looking to cut their cost. We've
had a great hardcore with Ellis and
other facilities where when the patient
begins transported and transferred they
would reimburse
I shouldn't say reimburse but restock at
100%.
And you know now as the delivery of
services is changing we're going to bear
some of that cost.
Any
additional question on the fire
administration on page 23?
I have one question for the finance
commissioner and the chief it said that
all staff can get a 4% pay raise and we
stiff the public safety commission.
Wow, didn't realize that seller is in two different lines,
right?
Yeah.
in the police.
I I think because I thought he was part
time, right? Like he did not qualify for
the race.
I was incorrect.
Someone have a pen.
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All right, let's move on to um One quick
question.
Go ahead.
Just general. So my first question is
that change of delivery of service
that's that is probably due to like just
a you know safety of patients. It's just
seem to be take to treat them at home is
a is a better way to treat them. Is that
why that was I'm just curious as
why that's changed by transport. Um,
our paramedics provide the service equal
to what they would in the emergency
room.
And in a cardiac arrest, it's all about
timing.
And you reach a point where you have
administered the medications that if
they're going to work, they're going to
work. And you have done your skills
with, you know, if you have to shock the
patient out of a certain rhythm or not.
And and you go through that and that
could take 15, 20 minutes, 25 minutes.
and you'll get to a point where it's not
working and it's not going to work.
So then we'll call medical support and
uh explain what we have and they make a
decision and and they take in all kinds
of uh um information like what we what
we think caused the cardiac arrest, a
trauma arrest versus someone in advance
age, you know, and those decisions are
yeah, you're not going to transport
was a tough decision.
Yes, sounds like
and some of that whole thing is uh some
of the services that fire department
provides the way the insurance
reimbursement is structured today, we
don't qualify for reimbursement. And so
it's part of the dialogue that we're
having with
local insurance providers with uh both
Medicare and Medicaid
uh formulas and how they uh allow for
reimbursement so that not only
connectity but other similar communities
would uh be able to be reimbursed for
their actual services where we're
looking How do we provide uh better and
more appropriate care? A lot of it is to
not transport everybody to the emergency
room.
Uh do the evaluation to get them to uh
an urgent care, get them to their
private physician, maybe to orthopedic.
You have something example of twisted
ankle. You don't know if it's broken or
just the sprain. They're going to have
to go orthopedic. And
how do you get them there as opposed to
going to the emergency room to
Brooklyn New York?
I just call
sure to plan that.
But again, it's that appropriate level
of care which gives people uh again
quicker, better results. So they're not
sitting for a long period of time in the
emergency room uh frustrated in not
being treated and it's how do you again
get the revenue streams to match up the
delivery of services.
My other question was um you know I know
like after you know when we're
purchasing new equipment or something
for the city you know old equipment um
you know goes to auction or you know how
we do that. I was wondering is that in for your equipment like the vendors
or whoever you work with is there like
um guess I'm not exactly finding the
right word for it but like uh dated
equipment is there any value in that
equipment once you you know have to
purchase new equipment. So, is it like
something like maybe a vendor where
you're like, "Okay, we're buying our new
uh vest or something, but you know, we
have these hundred vests that, you know,
there's still a value in that raw
material that would be attractive to
that vendor." I'm just wondering.
Yeah. When it all comes down to safety,
somebody puts a expiration date on
something, called it the best, it's a
fiveyear,
uh, it's going to be very hard to sell
that anyone or even for us to keep it
because, god forbid,
It's yours,
right?
And something bad happens, we're going
to say, "We told you right here, five
year life and you decided to keep it six
years, right?
Or sell it to that person and so there
is really no value."
Yes. No. Right. I I imagine. So, you know, like that's
pretty important stuff. We need that to
work, right? I was thinking like for
vendors that we use who you know produce
this thing is there any I'm just
wondering is there any like you know
like value with them to give them
old things that they re you know
refurbish things or whatever I just
wonder is there any way to recycle those
in a way that can develop some revenue
for the city
the things that have value we do like
vehicles
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those types of things but when you start
talking um perishables like hose and
whatnot. We we test our hose every year
and if it passes we keep it. If it
doesn't then you got to get rid of
things like that.
Yeah.
So all safety related things once they
reach their lifespan they're done
like that too fire both of them they
have it quit or whatever they they use
it right to the end there just no life
anything they have they usually use it
until there's no life. Yeah, I think I
was thinking like if I'm a vendor and I
use these materials to produce the
stuff, maybe some of that material could
be repurposed. So maybe as a vendor
there could be some value to me, maybe a
credit or something like that.
Sometimes that happens. Yeah.
You know, with our monitors sometimes
uh at the end of their life there is
some turn it in.
Right. Yeah. That's always
go ahead please.
So I I do have a question under police
administration. Uh so there's a line
item where it's the assistant fire chief
at 0 75 and then the deputy chief
administration at 0.25
so that comes
because
I said
chief decided that to abandon me.
So we're going way back on this
expedition.
I'm not over it yet.
Uh so when he retired and I became the
fire chief,
we had an opening for an assistant
chief, but we didn't have a bag with a
uh a list from civil service.
So it was decid Well, we had the list,
but we
list so it was decided that we were
going to offer another test. Um, and
when that test is given and we have a a
list to look at, we would appoint a new
assistant chief.
But in the meantime, we came to council
and we asked for a seventh deputy chief
to try to pick up some of that workload.
So, we're anticipating in the first
quarter of next year to be able to look
at a list to appoint an assistant chief,
but until then, we're using that seventh
deputy chief. So,
we're going to have that seventh deputy
chief for the first quarter is what our
what it looks like.
And when we appoint another assistant
chief, that seventh deputy chief goes
away. So, that that portion is only for
a quarter of the year.
And then the assistant chief is in place
and that's three4.
Thank you.
Any question on that before I turn to
page 24.
Okay.
Chief, can you explain the the
administrative
expense for public safety foundation? We
allocated this last year and we were
hoping that this was going to be used
towards the
Can you tell us where you are this
portion
or your your department contribution?
Yes. Um
we have used that line for we do a lot
of events
and you know we're we're at the events
for public relations. We're out there
getting uh fire safety information
um
and recruitment. So, we we have things
that we give away. We purchase some
items
um and we're going to be purchasing
other items. So, for the rest of the
year, you'll see that being used, but
we're also working with the police
department and some events coming up.
So, we haven't used money all the way
yet. um we're using some of that money
again for uh public relations and
community development. So for the rest
of the year, more of that money will be
used
and then for next year
we're still researching it. Um we're
hoping to
possibly do a program that's called Stop
the Bleed.
And what that is what?
Stop the bleed.
Oh, stop the bleed. Right. It's part
educational and it's part um
equipment.
What it's designed to do is to get into
the community. And we're we would like
to possibly target uh the school system,
the schools, maybe the high school.
Start with teachers and maybe
certain groups of children, you know,
seniors. And you actually go in there
and you show them how you would pardon
me, stop major bleeds and you would have
a packet. In that packet would be
tourniquets and gauze and some other
items again that would assist stopping
major. The idea is god forbid we have a
school shooting but we have another
large event. Now you have people that
have been trained uh to assist to a
certain level and you have the materials
they would need to help you. Mhm.
So it was something that happened in Las
Vegas. They had the shooting.
They had already had that program in
place.
So we're researching that if that would
be a good source to use that money.
Chief, I would just tell you that I
think you're being a little modest when
you're talking about some of the
community engagement stuff that you're
doing because it's not just outreach. It
is outreach and education and and really
it's it's preventative things you know
it's really being proactive that you
know make sure people educated around
fire safety things like that are you
know we can't always you know measure
the benefits of that but we can measure
the benefits of it when it doesn't
happen correct so I would I would just
I can tell you pretty
certain how many fires we have uh and we
can project how many we're going to have
you know we do 3550 structure fires
second alarm fires on average. Uh that
doesn't include uh the the fires that we
prevented from going to a second because
we were there quick and we got in there
fast and our people did a great job. Did
a good job. Uh but I can't tell you how
many we prevent. Um so we're we are out
in the community. Um we gave away some
smoke detectors at an event that we did.
We're in the schools. while we're at
other community events and and we do
hear the stories. Uh it was Lexington
Avenue I think a fire approximately
blended together. It's one big fire in
my head. Um
but it was a fire that was started and
the it was a Saturday I believe. Parents
were sleeping in and a girl uh a young
girl I forget how old but she was she
was young. Seven, eight, nine. I don't
remember.
Is this the one between Brand and not?
Yes.
Yeah.
So that child went through one of our
fire prevention talks.
She executed the plan perfectly. She did
everything that was taught. So that's
one we know worked and there are many
more that have worked.
So the outages
appreciate the detail on what you're
doing there. Those are things that we
needed in our community. But if I can
recall when we pass this out last year,
it was primarily towards athletic events
towards or driven towards that need to
police that weren't at that. The only
reason why we changed it in public
safety was a public um athletic
Well, I think in other communities it
might have been like a PAL.
Yes.
Um but I think that because we're
combining
these guys are working together um as
departments that public safety
foundation name came in about. But I
think it's any community outreach events
that um either.
Yeah, I I think it's correct. Yeah. We
changed it to public safety to accompany
the was it primarily driven to engage
the youth and athletic? Well, it's to
engage the youth could have been
analytics in some of it. This whole
thing co has shifted
the whole thing in a slower pace for the
engagement, but it's to lay that
groundwork for really recruitment
in both police and fire.
Yeah. Because I would like to see we
kind of go back to where we originally
set up this for. So engaging you event,
whatever you need to do to help that
rather than putting money there to buy
meaningful you know supplies and sharing
things which is good but we can also
accommodate funding for that stuff that
you just mentioned there but we need to
focus on the public safety foundation
what it was actually we voted we
approved it for things like that just to
benefit the the news last year
I was there um
I I guess I would see it
I mean, I know when we when we when the
five um Tuesday night events were held,
for example, this this past summer and both the fire department and the
police department were there and they
had giveaways. Although, I'm going to
say that I think that the fire
department was jealous of the police
department. They had better giveaways a
little bit.
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Okay, so here's the deal. which is why
we need to increase this budget.
That's why we have to have the $25,000.
So, the police have a very good way of
getting things donated in
I actually know what the secret was
there.
Awesome giveaway.
I know the secret. I know. I know the
secret. I'll tell you.
Okay. So, they they did a lot of work
and they got a lot of great things and everybody's very happy.
What we did was we purchased a bag for a
dollar and a quarter. Yes.
With our name on it that the just load
our bag up.
Believe me,
I think it's the choir department that
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Um, but I guess I
want to go back to what Mr. Murder was
saying though. I guess I just don't want
to just limit it to athletic events
because there might be other kinds of
community fairs um like like if they
like we had the thing at um Central
Park. I can't remember which one that
was, but I mean like even think about
like a Junth or um the Caribbean Day or
any of those kinds of festivals. Um if
our folks are there and have giveaways
um you know those I think should be
under the same umbrella.
Yeah, I understand. But um let me just
mention I'm trying to look um it was a
year ago two years ago the chief they
were doing these community events and it
was like $500 per event and they were
seeking donation outside from outside
agencies
and we did add it in the budget in 2021
and we continue $6,000 so five $500 per
month per event over the 12 month
period. So that is in the police budget
of $500 per event.
Exactly. But they did over the threeear
period.
You mean that's their $25,000?
No, that is a separate line item. Yes.
So we have we're not talking about
police department.
Yeah, we're not talking. I just want to
mention that
of all the giveaways, does anyone have a
mayor air freshener?
I do.
I don't have them in the car. I got the
whole stack of them.
It goes directly to code enforcement.
There you go. Code enforcers.
It was code enforcement. That's right.
I did one. I wanted to um in terms of
the where you're saying that it should
only be around athletics in terms of the
fire department, which is what we're
talking about. Um I'm not sure how that
really looks. I understand with the
police department, but um like the
program that he talked about, stop the
bleed. I think that's like that to me is
just something that actually just makes
sense because you're teaching a skill
and then if people are in that
unfortunate circumstance where they have
to be able to need it. I think it's a
good thing to teach children or or
anyone that that you want to teach. And
also, um it's it's something once they
learn that skill, you know, it's there.
And actually, I actually witnessed
something similar to that where so I was
there and someone got shot outside of
the office where I worked and there was
a guy who had been in the military
apparently and he had to do a tourniquet
and that helped save that person until
um you know until the the fight
paramedics came. So, I understand the
police part of it. I but I think that we
should have a little bit more um leeway
in terms of what we do with the fire
department.
And I think u when we discussed this
last year, it was the mayor's request to
um to buy this money out between the two
agencies department because we were
giving based on the police reform
reinvention.
putting $50,000 towards the police
department
requested that we split the 2525 across
and both department will work within the
community to provide us service. I don't
have a problem providing um
revenue provide um you know funding to
the fire department to help them to
offset the service they're providing in
terms of what chief mentioned. So that's
something we should consider apart from
the foundation we set out specifically
to do
a task that we all agreed on that last
video report.
So in addition
we just want to bring that to the table.
So that's you're actually saying let's
add more money in
so that the chief doesn't have to tap
into the public safety foundation. this
money set aside for a specific purpose
that we all agreed and voted on last the
year before and we can look at
additional funding.
So I guess my question is and then
probably for the chief is is that a way
you can spend money? I mean do you do
athletic things?
I mean other than running up the ladder
racket then carrying the hobies. I don't
mean that part. But um in terms of
trust me, I like all the city employees,
but the police and fire department do
not have trouble spending.
Oh my god.
See, I heard transfer 25,000. But
I just want to make sure that you know
you have the opportunity. We don't
narrow it down so much that you aren't
able to.
That's how I feel as well.
We've been um the past couple years
we've increased our uh working
relationship with the police. They do
some great things. They do a lot of
community outreach and they have
included us in a lot of those. Um so
that's where a lot of our
uh focus has been. Especially this time
of the year they have like three
different events coming up dealing with
Halloween and you know and Christmas
coming up and whatnot. So, a lot of, you
know, supplies that we'll need will go
towards some of those things. And when
they did their five nights of athletic
activity, we participated in that also.
But, um, as far as us doing a sole
athletic event, we have not.
Nice.
So, and that's why they asked was to
team up with the police department,
firefighting police department, get out
there and provide assistance.
Yeah.
Sorry.
Go ahead.
So, if I'm understanding this correctly,
you were saying that the the the
foundation um was
tasked with that those funds were
supposed to be around career exploration
and in recruitment. Is that what we're
saying?
Okay.
Youth engagement in terms of sports.
Okay. Isn't that chief we talking about
for the police?
Yes. Okay. All right. Primary engagement
in this stop the bleed program. I would
suggest that what that does is not only
is it teaching people a life-saving
skill, but what it does it does
introduce um people into that field. And
it is kind of something that will, you
know, increase the likelihood of some
sparkling young person's interest to
say, you know, this is something I could
do for them.
I I I know I'm sounding very
argumentative. But I just want to say
that I think I hear what you're saying
and I I value that what what you're
saying, but I do also want to say that I
would rather see us go back and just
expand the um
what we origin I don't actually remember
that we said look it up. I'll look it up
on
but I guess I would rather expand to be
more inclusive of any type of
anything that they needed to do
community outreach outreach.
Absolutely. And maybe we look at it
back. I will ask um it's my coach to
kind of look that up for us that
resolution that we passed with the
backup
for this uh the public safety foundation
and you can share it to all of us and we
can revisit it and look at it and maybe
expand it and
a little bit of you know some additional
funding
give them more flexibility
agreed
fire department or something
yeah all right let's move on
any other question on page uh 24
market. Go ahead, please.
Just I mean the increase in um cleaning
supplies, laundry, those are all just
anticipated
um really
money uh proposals that were put out in
you know it's like $10,000 more.
It's just the bargain cost.
I mean will there be more? Will it be I
mean where did those numbers come from?
I guess.
Yeah, I know. As we watch the increases
now,
we try to, you know, estimate what it's
going to be in the future.
They're all off everything medical
supplies, like I said, 30%. This some of
these other supplies 8%
laundry and
for laundry, we know for a fact.
Yeah, we know that's going for sure.
only
any other question on um
the section
just about the ARPA.
So in terms of what do we do
after
you anticipate this to be ongoing cost
or just as we're getting over CO I'm
just wondering about under the laundry
and also under cleaning supplies and
also under fees for services you're
seeing ARPA um funded there. So, what we
learned from ARPA last year was um when
the budget was made,
uh we would look at a line and it was
decided to help that line. Say it was a
$50,000 line. I don't have anything
specific to tell you, but say it was a
$50,000 line. It was decided we would
keep $35,000 in the line and then
supplement it with $15,000 of our
public.
But then, as the year went on, we found
the restrictions may be that us to use
that arc of money
for whatever we were trying to buy. So
this year when we looked at the budget,
we said, "Well, we still need that
$50,000."
So we've readjusted it to be a more what
think is a more accurate budget.
And then we're trying to use some of
that ARPA money for the oneoffs
uh that we think we can use it. We know
we can use it and we won't have that
reoccurring next year. So the money that
we're using in AR, we're not going to
depend on it.
Good.
And we adjust the line to be more of an
accurate line.
Great.
Thank you.
All right. Let's move to the next page
25.
Chief, I have this question. Why?
No, I don't have 25. Absolutely. If she
can have you
does the fire captain captain
emergency medical
uh because there's a new fire captain in
that position. Um so his pay rate is a
little bit
different because of
like don't like this guy as much
kid.
All right, let's go. Any any questions?
Going down on page 25, please go ahead.
Um, just paramedic bonuses are a lot
less. $30,000 less. Paramedic bonus.
Oh, yeah.
I'm sorry. Can you tell me
4130
paramedic bonus?
I just I'm just trying to mark this.
Yep. Yep. I'm looking at my notes here.
Okay. Um
Okay. Because we have some new people
that are not at the position where they
would get that second. They have to be
on a job that certain a certain amount
of time
and they haven't met that qualification.
Yes.
Any other question on this page?
No. All
right, keep moving. Page 26.
There was a lot of movement. Oh, sorry.
There was a lot of movement here.
Just for just for clarity, can you just
give us, you know, for the sake of
conversation as to the movement, people
moving up and because you have some Mhm.
You're looking at the salaries.
Yes.
So, every year, uh, if someone was at
step one, obviously go to step two. And
then if you have someone that retired,
they they're going off at a higher rate.
So, it it's always going to fluctuate a
little bit.
My question was about the um firefighter
academy ARPA. And so, that's uh 336,735.
So I was just again wondering how
that that's a pretty you know big chunk
of change and so how moving forward that
would be um that would be paid.
Again this is one of the things uh you
know because we try to get as many
people in the academy as as we can
because of uh 2020
because we did not send so many guys to
the academy. These are we're actually
fulfilling uh these uh we're fulfilling
a lot of these firefighters now. Uh
you'll see at the end when ARP is done
you we'll be at full force and we're
using ARPA because you know we were able
because we're able to
No, no, I understand that. My but my
question is so now we we're getting more
people through the academy using the
ARPA funds. We still have to pay the
maths over.
Yeah. But what what's going to happen is
that you'll have a full force and you
won't you won't need as many. So you
won't have you won't have 10 guys in the academy every year. You know,
you'll probably like go back to three or
four a year, right?
Instead of having
and this is because we uh because of our
because of co you know, we actually
couldn't send anybody to the academy for
two years. So now we're just trying to
fill all those musicians that were able.
Okay.
All right.
Oh yeah.
Any additional question on the admin
salaries? Let's move to the next
section. The support.
Any question there?
All right. Let's move down there.
Chief, can you just explain to us public
safety equipment and and then public
safety equipment harp? Can you please
I I can tell you
it's a the first public safety equipment
is eight turnout gears at $4,100 plus
the ballistic plus the ballistic uh
things that the chief had talked about
uh earlier. Uh the 20 uh 28,000 ARPA is
the turnout gears for the seven officers
we have as ARPA coming in. So the turn
we're paying you money pay for those
seven guys because they're in academy.
Yeah. Sorry.
All right. Keep moving.
Any additional questions? Page 27 top
portion. Go ahead, please.
Well, just um a firefighter for 75,0001
and did he move up to another position
or something? There's no
Which line are you on? Dorine, where are
you?
34131 100.
We may limited a firefighter by putting
another lieutenant.
Okay. So, three lieutenants. Okay.
You're looking at the prevention arson task force.
That's when we came to you for
position was
renamed to
we have to people in the Lieutenant K.
Go ahead, please.
So, I actually had a question about
that. I know when you came to us, chief,
you were speaking about potentially or
trying to forecast eliminating overtime
in that regard. I see that increase by
2,000. So, was that still holding true
or are you anticipating in future uh
just work assignments with this?
I'm sorry.
34132.
Yes.
It's overtime.
I have 1002.
And
just when you brought it to the council,
you were mentioning how having this
firefighter potentially working out of
his scope of practice. It was putting
some undue burden on the limited
lieutenants, hence moved the firefighter
to lieutenant position, right?
But I know we're kind of doing that with
the expectation of limiting overtime. So
there's some important sense.
Why is it increase? I think they're two
first.
Thank you.
Actually, if I may want
Yeah,
I know there's stipens in other areas
like hazmat stipen. Can you explain what
the arson stipen is just first time
being added?
34136
contract.
That's the new contract of selection for
those five guys. Four guys, Maser and
Thank you.
Any other question?
Let's move to page 28.
Any question here on page 28?
Go ahead please.
Yeah, just one of clarity on A3414100
the captain in in 20. So I'm not clear
why the um in 20 and 21 there was no
actuals but then start seeing it in 20
and 20 and 22
uh and in 2021 you see there was 1000
I see that
but oh it's just on the wrong line
because it's not
well we don't want to mix it up we did
it so you can see it better you focus on
last year and this year
okay all right
for the salaries
okay
and as you can see because new contract
the 2020 they went from 81,000 to 89,000
because new contract went through. So
okay, thank you.
Any other question on page 20, please?
Okay, page
29.
Any
question here? Yes. Go ahead. I'm just
wondering why the 83415 1111 that the
longevity um increased by about $6,500.
Contractual uh this deputy chief is is
going into his what is I think 15 here.
No, I think he's close to 20 years and the new longevity rate has
is almost 14%.
Okay.
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Move to the next page. Page
30.
Any
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questions on these few items? If not,
there's nothing here.
Thank you, chief.
Thanks, Chief.
Appreciate
you. Do you want to do a couple of
projects for for the fire department?
Now, there you only got a couple items.
Where were those?
Capital projects.
Oh, the capital projects, right? Yeah. I
didn't hear it.
Yep. Yep. Yep.
You want to see them here?
So, do you have the
We do. Yes, we do.
Just three three items.
No, we do.
Only three items should go quick. Go
ahead, Chief. Explain this by
So, the first one uh we were requesting
to
command vehicles, SUVs uh in there to
replace two vehicles that are 17 years
old.
That's pretty basic.
So, over the last few years, we've been
trying to
we do a really good job with our
frontline vehicles. This is some of the
other ancillary vehicles have gotten
pretty old. So, the next item would be a
U truck replacement. Currently, we're
using the vehicle that we purchased from
Jonesville Fire Department in 2018.
Vehicle is 21 years old. It has u it's
shown a lot of wear on the body. It's
starting to have some mechanical issues.
So, that would be a $90,000 vehicle. And
we're hoping not to spend that much, but
because of inflation, we're not really
sure where we're going to end up. So,
we think, you know, it may be a little
bit less, but that's why we budgeted for
that.
And the last item
is for extrication equipment. What we're
using now is 10 years old. We have three
separate units. Two of them are
hydraulic and one is battery.
Hydraulic um systems are really good
with certain applications.
battery applications are really good
with other applications. So right now on
truck one we have a hydraulic and a
battery unit and on truck two we only
have one hydraulic unit and they have
reached the end of their life. So we are
asking for
two hydraulic units, two battery units
and we would put one hydraulic one
battery in truck one, one hydraulic one
battery in truck two.
And these these are
Charles
um
so and then what we would do with what
we have now
that would be assessed and what can be
used and what we can peace meal we would
take that unit and put it on a spare
truck.
So now if the spare truck had a roll out
it'd be ready to go.
Great.
Any question on
the fire department?
Thank you.
Super.
Yeah.
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This happened by
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we can have up there.
Who's taking a hot seat?
Chief is
leaving.
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Bye-bye, chief. Thank you.
No, he wants to get right out.
Well, I think we should bring Chief
here. This might be one of his last
budgets.
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I put him right before my last play.
He's really lucky.
You going to work on something else?
No. Mike Sber,
he's a lot of help.
Anthony, you want to give us a snapshot
and then we'll go to um
the the total the total police budgets
of $696,000
and 900 $696,31.
But totally that's comes to a 2.96%
increase, which is
pretty pretty good.
Uh the chief uh assistant chief whipple
and Mike Seabber we worked
this thing right out as close as we can
get it. I got to give them a lot of
credit
but water
there are some new positions and here
right up. First thing I just have to say
I did not again I did not give the
Eugene div.
All right. Now we can go
I think we got it.
So what page are we on?
Chief you taking it page 17.
Oh
and chief you want to give us like a
overview last year and then we'll go
into
Okay. Got it.
Sure. So, I guess I'll just talk about a
little bit what we've what we've gone
through this year with our challenges.
Um, crimes up and our staffing numbers
are down and um we're working on them.
We've had a lot of retirements. We've
had a few lateral transfers. We've had
some injuries and we've had good amount
of people go into the military be
deployed because of what's going on in
the world. So, we have some staffing
challenges while crime is up. But all in
all, everybody's doing a great job.
We're we're holding it together. We're
not delivering the level of response
that we want to. Um but on the
investigative side, we've been doing a
lot of really hard work. Um solving a
lot of pretty good crimes and uh and
trying to hold back some of the uh the
bad things that have been happening in
our neighboring communities and
nationwide. We've been focusing on
evidence-based policing strongly.
Um, we have a really strong intelligence
unit and I can't say enough about um,
what they do, the work they do. We use
technology where we tend to fill gaps
where our personnel can't fill them. We
rely on our partnerships that we've
developed over the years with the
county, the state, and the federal
government.
And uh what I see happening next year is
it's going to be an exciting year. Uh
thanks to to you uh improving our our
transition to Axon, we're going to see a
significant increase in the number of
LPRs down the road and that's going to
help us in many ways. Um we are we are
going to be rolling out a police
efficiency project that we've been
working on with Transfinder.
I don't have a lot of details right now,
but that will be rolling out um later
this year, early next year. That's going
to be pretty exciting. It's basically a
culmination of things that we've talked
about in the past um with with trying to
help our officers and uh with their
efficiency on the road. Uh we are
continue we continue to work on bu
building out our real time analysis
center in the police department where we
we're using cameras that are deployed
citywide
um more effectively to help us uh deter
crime in addition to solve crime.
And uh we're hoping to we've run into a
couple challenges, but we're hoping to
uh increase our transparency on our
website with giving more information out
to the public on on what we do and why
we do it. So our our total numbers right
now, we're at 154 police officers. We
should be at 164 with the addition of
our community engagement officers in the
schools and our um the the cops grant
that we got and we anticipate uh with
your approval uh going to 167 officers
by adding those three additional
community engagement officers for the
school for next year. Um I should note
that uh the cops grant and the community
engagement officers are there's a
combination of grant funding and school
funding not 100% but a good amount most
of most of which will cover the
replacement officers and their lower
salaries.
Um the additions to this budget that
we'll be talking about um is a budget uh aotment for training for
anti-racism
a an addition of two civilian
personnels. one for it due to the amount
of work that we have like to transition
duties to a civilian that costs less so
we don't have to pay a police officer
that costs more to do the same work you
have police officer do police work a uh
civilian mental health coordinator which
will help us uh coordinate uh all of our
follow-ups on individuals that need
mental health followup
And also what we discussed earlier with
the county task force uh uh our tradition of our lead analyst um
from from our give analysts promoting
one of the analyst to the give analyst
and our lead analyst taking a more
managerial role with uh with with
organizing and running that unit.
Okay. All right. So we can just go. You
going to say anything? We can't do that.
Don't
late show.
All right.
So we'll move on page 17 and we'll just
you know regular stuff and if you have
question we'll ask the chiefs.
A question.
Go ahead please. So, um, the can you the
mobile radio? Well, actually, it's back.
That's yours, right? The mobile.
No. Okay.
Yes.
That's on page 60.
That is what
the vehicle that we can park.
No. No. What happened is um over the years we
had a mobile radio district within the
county. So all the members of all
agencies within police um law
enforcement were members of they had a
budget and we ran our radio system and
that was a um DHS type of system and
over the years we used through the
county and through the police
departments we secured a a grant for
upwards of 12 or 16 million with the
county making up the differences $18
million project um for the
infrastructure of 800 megahertz radio
system with that system. there there are
certain licensing certain things that
they have pushed down to the the city
and and towns and that's our portion
similar to what mobile radio district
was before. So it's just our portion
that but but we the new radios haven't
cost us anything. The the whole $18
million million project hasn't cost us
anything. So this is kind of our our end
of it as far as um what we're
responsible financially
and there's greater interoperability
between agencies in this
system that's in place now.
Yeah. Not only that, you can communicate
if we had a car pursuer had to assist
with another agency, we can communicate
uh flawlessly throughout the state now.
And so it's it's a system we also become
a hub that they wanted us to be um
because our geographic location.
somebody coming in from Buffalo,
somebody come from New York City, we can
actually our our our um um radio towers
assist them as well. So, it benefited
the state largely, but it benefited each
local municipality as well.
And and an additional benefit is it's a platform that can just grow
tremendously. One of the things that
they're focusing on for next year is to
give a portable radio to every principal
in every school
so that in an emergency they'll be able
to communicate
So on line 83120 on page 17 um police
and then something cm like community
chaplain under ARPA for 12,000. Um what
is that?
We started it last year.
Yeah, that's a uh that's that's a budget
amendment that we put in there. We we
have not done anything with it yet that
this year, but we have a meeting
schedule uh where we want to build a
police chaplain program that's uh for
the community. Uh the the one above it,
which is the police chap, is for the
police officers, but this would be a
police chaplain program that we would
have them out in the community engaging
with the community, be there for um for
the community. Should there be a
traumatic event where we call for a
chaplain, a member of the clergy will
come there and be there for the
community and uh they'll they'll partner
with us. One of the things Lieutenant
Mashon is working on with the city
mission is to have them help us with
dealing with our homeless
and and finding them the resources that
they need. So that that that's part of
the plan and we uh we haven't got going
as fast as we want to this year, but we have a we have we have a meeting
scheduled.
Nice. We were praying we could get off
the ground.
Sorry, my last one.
So, in terms of because this kind of
came up at a council meeting in terms of
who would be on that list, will you will
there be different faiths, people from
different faith?
Absolutely. Okay. That's that. Yeah, we will absolutely have different
faiths, but I think the the whole
program is really supposed to be more
about just faith than the specific
religion, but we'll absolutely have if
somebody asks for a member of a certain
faith, we we're going to do our best to
have a member of every faith possible.
Okay.
Thank you.
Go ahead, please. And just for
clarification, how would the police
community chaplain differentiate between
the police chap
um numbers, you know, not that, you
know, I'm not saying that our the police
chap
will not be a part of this. It's just
that he's very busy. He can't be
everywhere at once. So, it'll be uh
it'll be a force multiplier. We we found
that at our last swearing in where
somebody forgot to invite him. So,
Hamilton was there. you pinch hit force
in. And so that that's the whole that's kind of the concept is is really
the force multiplier to have more than
one chap.
But also too is it the police more for
police force itself or the community
more victims or outreach.
This will be a bridge this be a bridge
between law enforcement communities.
Thank you.
mentioned I'm just going to ask
again information technology specialist.
I know you're currently utilizing the
this the overall city IT department to
assist your police department.
Sometime back we we had a lieutenant R&D
that will see and assist with IT work.
Where is that
position and support versus the new
looking?
He he he's still there and um so so this
a lot of the things that he does we'd
want a civilian to do. So, it's it's we
want to try to clone Jan or Rosario and
have them do a lot of the work that he's
doing.
Um, and then we would once we got that
position up and running, we would look
to have that position transition to
we're not sure exactly what. I'd rather
not say publicly what it's going to be,
but we're looking to have that that that
job transition to something uh that's
very important in the police department.
But currently, you you're getting the
support from the IT department.
Yes, we are. We just we just see that
especially with bringing on Axon with
all with with trying to work towards
what the mayor's been asking us for
which is to grab the data that's up in
on the edge of every light pole bring it
down and make it actionable that that's
where we just we need more technical
people. We if I can also we've embraced
technology so much especially over the
last five years you know just from
administrative cost of of licensing and
so forth but there's a lot of
administrative actions that go on in
Missouri can't have the time to do and
the lieutenant does some of them not all
because we kind of spread it out but
just kind of brings it all together and
gives us somebody on a daily basis that
we can work with I I personally think
it's very important you know to have
this position because of technology that
we're embracing so just as we expand so
this salary point again is a good
estimate but maybe on the low side in
terms of what the skill set
for technology
would like.
So once the once you get the civilian on
to do this and with the sworn officer
what would what happens then he or she
I'm not sure it's which is those two how
does how do their duties change if they
won't be doing the information
technology anymore? It'll be something connected, but just
more focused on solving crime and and
leading people rather than doing the the
busy work, the you know, delivering a
portable radio to somebody or helping
somebody fix their computer that can't
log on. A lot a lot of the things that are being done right now by this
lieutenant
could be done by a civilian that salary
range. Meanwhile, we're not achieving a
lot of the things that the mayor's been
asking for or the council's been asking
for. And that's what that lieutenant
would be focusing more.
A lot of R&D, research and development
on certain projects that we have. Again,
technology is changing so much within
law enforcement, what we can gather.
It's just kind of overwhelming for us
nonIT people
and the mental health specialist. You
mentioned that
just for me.
Well, we all know that. Is this enough?
No.
I add another one.
So you explain the roles and
responsibilities and it's not going to
be a sworn officer. Is that correct?
Right. Um so where will they be? Where
will they actually physically be located
in the police department?
They will be in the police department.
And so their role would be to if
something happened on site, they would
then go to
whatever the scene was. Is that it? or
would they go on all calls?
Yeah, we really what we found right now
is that we're not having a problem with
handling the scene. We're having a
problem with the followup with what
happens next.
Okay.
What do we do with them?
So, what we're looking to do and and
Lieutenant Mashall can speak a lot more
intelligently on this than I can, but
we're looking to have somebody who
really is a case worker on our end that
when we ask, "Well, what happened with
this person?" They can say, "Oh, yeah.
Well, we referred them to City Mission
or Catholic Charities or New Choices and
you know they're working with them and
this is the contact there. So, so that
when we're going to a scene and we know
that they're there, we have the
appropriate
um case to really dive into to say,
okay, well, what's going on with this
person? So, they don't just kind of
linger out in the community. We have a
couple good examples of followup that
Ryan and Nick did on individuals that
became success stories.
So, we're looking again to replicate
that with a civilian rather than sworn.
So, policing is a 24-hour day. And so,
this is clearly this person can't work
24 hours. So, how about how's how's it
cover the not 9 to5? It's outside of
those times. We're hoping that if it's
successful that we're here next year
asking for two more or or whatever the
whatever whatever we need, but yeah,
this would just be to get us started. We
recognize that there might be a need
24/7 that we need to fill.
We still have protocols in place to
refer the individual to a specific
assistant health. this will be a lot
more followup, a lot more but she
referred to a couple successful cases
that we had calls daily on some
individuals that we no longer have
because of we finally got them on the
right track. It took a long time to get
in there, but so we have a lot more we
deal with more mental health issues now
probably than ever. And so it's just to
kind of really
I I'm not gonna say it's a band-aid on
everything, but at least it's a step in
the right direction to get them moving
in.
And it almost sounds like it's a tool
for you. Correct. So that you know where
the individual is at all times. So it's
not like you're going to call on this
mental health person at 2 in the
morning. um you're going to take your
action with how you've been working it
and then perhaps they do the followup
and let you know and keep eye on where
this individual is and how he or she's
progressing.
Exactly. It's a it's a resource for us
that helps coordinate, has more
knowledge about what to do. You know, we
we're good at deescalation, but we're
not very good with followup. That's
where the individuals that we bring in,
we know that they'll know how to follow
up. For domestic violence, we run a
multi-is disciplinary team where we
bring all the players in a monthly
meeting and talk about the individuals
with the most needs. We'd like to do
that similar setup for for mental health
individuals so that you know again
they're not forgotten. They're spoken
about on a monthly basis and they get
the help that they need.
Yeah. Um just a comment last year when
we were talking and this is Marty. we
were more um heavy conversation toward
consulting the mental health with an
established agency and I think that was
the heavy conversation towards last year
into this year. So I want to know what's
the difference between that? Are we not
doing that or we just going to
specialist? We still look for
partnerships with existing organizations
whether it's Ellis or other and some of
it is
what's appropriate for particular
individual but the reality is need some
of the staffing inhouse to be able to do
the evaluation the followup and
we'll call some of the appropriate
management uh between those
partnerships. No, exactly. That's
correct. But at the same point, I mean,
we can compliment by hiring someone, a
specialist in house, but at the same
time, we need to focus on consulting
some of these mental health or that
compliment the PD department by calling
in and getting help. But but there's no
way funded. So, I think we all can
sometimes depending what the local
services, there's other areas where the
county would pay for it or other things
where it's not the responsibility of the
police department.
Please.
I was just wondering I I I think that um
do we not still have a contract with um
Northern Rivers or or some I think is
that what you're talking about? Yes, we
contract with and I think maybe it's
under fees for service, but I'm not
sure.
I was just assuming it was a bad word,
but
very much the
So, they are the contract that I think
you're referring to that um we still
have. So if you need mental health
assistance, you call. So
247
correct statement.
They're one of the people we call one
get depends on the
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back pattern of individual circumstances
and what line are they?
So if we have a consultant that they're
calling or group and what is the purpose
of the mental health specialist?
They're they're the coordinator. So if
you think of like a hub in Spokan where
this person will be the hub and then the
spokes are all our different resources.
Northern Rivers, Catholic Charities,
Ellis Hospital. One of the pro
challenges we've run into is Northern
Rivers are contracted with us and then
they run into a staffing shortage.
Yeah.
Ellis Hospital has has a place for
mental health and they'll call us up and
say they're shut down. Bring them to
Albony Med.
um they shut down their facility on
stage street for the children. So
having that administrative support to
say well where who are we calling today
for this you know it's just a lot and
Ryan and Nick are overwhelmed dealing
with everything else so this person
would be there for to support us and
help help us really focus on
coordinating everything. So it seems
like this I mean like this person is a
coordinator kind of a service navigator
for um people um
would this person um
part of their job responsibility? Would they be expected to um show up to
a call to maybe where there's a need um
or you know there's some trouble dis uh
just escalating someone or deescalating
someone or things like that or would
that kind of just their sole purpose and
focus is just going to be resource
navigation and and coordinating pardon?
I don't think we have an answer for that
yet. It depends on who we hire. Um it
would it would have to be a clinician
for us to send them to talk to somebody,
you know. So, we wouldn't want to limit
ourselves to say that we wouldn't hire
somebody and then use them possibly,
but we wouldn't want to say that that's
definitely the model and then not be
able to find that person and then sit
back and wait.
You know, we have domestic violence
advocates within our building that
actually have office space within our
building and allows the officers to go
and kind of pick their brains from time
to time. this this person also be that link up with the officers that they
can get that professional advice and
then handle the call maybe differently
or better suited to handle the call and
then the followup is is the work that
they're they would make sure that
person's receiving the services that
they need
I think if I just so I there's a clear
need for that that makes really good
sense to me I guess
then in my thought there might still be
kind of a bit of a void there for that
person that can be onsite support in the
midst of a crisis, right? Like so I I
don't now the way I'm looking at this,
it seems like these are
two very different needs like one is
coordination, service navigation, that
laid on between agencies and partnering
uh community partners. But what about
that in the- moment, you know, crisis
response mental health professional that
can
support officers, people like that.
going out on a call.
Yeah. Yeah.
That's something that we'd like to get
to at some point for sure.
I wouldn't northern do it now. That if
staff is available,
you know, to to assist with us. Again,
this is growing. This is going to grow
into I think almost its own unit at some
point. We just don't have the luxury of
having someone from Northern Rivers into
our building right now that cannot kind
of foster this program and make it
better. So,
and Chief, you would say that that
It's something you like, but right now
that's not the pressing need is what
you're saying. So, okay.
Yeah. It's almost like we got to get the
program started. How do you walk before
you give up?
And we're we're talking about what
happens in the city of Skenkity.
Again,
it's not just isolated here. It happens
in the towns, other communities. And so
some of this still has to be guided
through the dispatch center. When these
calls are evaluated, how do you manage
it? How do you get the appropriate
resources
to the situation and best deal with it?
So my question is around there um will
this be an MSW or a CSW for that
position particularly?
But
we um we haven't decid we haven't made
that decision yet. We were going to rely
on the county to help guide us on what
the perfect person would requirements
would be. We might even look to the
county, see if there's anybody who wants
to come work for us. But um yeah, if we
could get an NSW for sure, we'd like
that. I mean, I think the the higher the
standards, the better, but we wouldn't
want to limit ourselves to holding off
until we found somebody, especially with
what we budgeted, might not.
Yes, that's going to be that would
that's why I want to know. I mean, it's
important that you have the person that
has the best skill set for this, but
also you're going to have to put in a
salary that they're willing to come for
that. So,
I'm not sure that's it. If you want to
do so,
okay,
any other question? Go ahead, please. So
I think it's important to identify and
then I I appreciate you adding this line
and it's definitely very admirable. I
think for anyone listening and for those
that we carry this narrative to I think
it's important to highlight what this line is not and it's not the end
all solution like everyone recognizes
that it's the starting point. I would
say it's imperative to have a strategic
direction and I'm careful to tell you
what to do. You are the police chief
sir. But I think from the individuals
that I've heard in the community hearing
and seeing this in your budget is
amazing. But I think if everyone just
comes with a different expectation for
it, I think you can quickly overwhelm
any candidate that you put into this
because having the expectation of them
to manage case loads of officers in
addition to potentially having to go on
calls, I think it sets someone up for
failure. So I would say regardless of
your intention for rolling this position
out, I would absolutely urge community
input, but definitely having a lane and
reassuring the community that this is
something that we are going to grow
whatever that you should so choose to.
That way people can understand how this
is going to further develop like you
know
I agree.
You have a question. Go ahead.
I do. Not about that though.
No, we'll try to go. Yeah. So, let's go
down. If we don't have anything else on
the top part, let's go to the bottom of
that page. Page 17.
We're still on page one.
April 20.
My my question um is line a
312121
a part-time clerk part-time at 104. No,
that that position represents five
different positions within um
Well, there's no number there.
No, I realize that. Um these are
positions that we actually have some
retired police officers that's been
so that's fine.
Budget in pre previous years if you look
at the full-time PDM it's just down to
the timeline.
Um yes, they do like they'll do um um
I have their names here if you need
them, but They basically work, you know,
15 to 20 hours a week for us.
I was just wondering, it didn't have any
numbers, so I put I put one there and
that was just like crossing crossing
bars. We don't put numbers in there for
the crossing.
Well, the reason is nothing have 17 in
there and we want 18, but we're not
increasing the pain. It's it's um finance because
it's a tough time
and it says singular. It said clerks. It
would lead me to believe there more, but
it says clerk singular.
Okay. Bye.
Any question on this part? Next page 80.
Um, Miss Patrick,
I think
item down.
Yeah, I think it's
that we talked about
in a minute. Um, aren't I on the next
page?
Yes, page 18120
for
I thought that was on page 19. But wait
a minute, let me see.
Oh, yeah. No, the um ARPA was just one
big question that um
No, I was just referring the $6,000 that
she had at his disposal for the
community events.
Oh, I'm sorry.
$500
per event.
Where is it? I'm sorry, Mr. M.
Oh, yes. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep.
the I see. Yep.
And it's separate from the 25.
Oh, I see. I see what you're saying.
Yep.
So, we did that separate so they have
that that data disposal to spend that.
Gotcha. Rather than lock it into
somebody think that it's so high.
Gotcha.
So, we separated.
Okay. Thank you for that, Claire.
Chief, I'm going to ask you the same
thing here that I asked you public
safety foundation. Can you give us an
update what is happening there and where
are you with that?
Yeah, we've been uh you know, part of
the part of our philosophy here was was
to uh to get our community engagement
officers in the schools in place, which
we did successfully. And I I've tasked
uh I originally tasked Sergeant Lineer.
Now I've tasked Sergeant Plow with
really taking the lead on helping to
build this out. One of the things that
we did with it, um, again, wasn't as
early in the year like I would have
liked to, but we got the program started
later in the year, is we we partnered
with Will Rivas to put on the summerlong
uh, athletic program. Started off with a
discussion about helping us with summer
night. It turned into a month of August um, event. and um you
know and we we plan on doing more
throughout the fall and in the winter
and then turning the corner into the new
year. We wanted we've already been
talking about um
program that the DEA puts on with
basketball possibly with the Boys and
Girls Club Friday night basketball and
just doing things indoors like we did in
August. So, that's that's what our plan
is. And I didn't want to jump on uh Chief
Marino's um defense too much, but a
little flustered, but he he was a part
of the conversation about the August
plan. We we technically did talk about
splitting the cost of it, but we never
did.
Well, he has a budget.
He's got a budget. So, you should.
Um but we you know, the other thing is that although we have the budget,
which
these the budgets that you give us the the ability to say yes to
things, but we're still asking for for
donations. So that's what we did in
August. And so we said yes knowing that
yeah, it might cost us 12,000, but then
we got a whole bunch of donations. So it
really only cost us half of that, maybe
a little bit less. So it's given us the
ability to say yes to more, still ask
for donations and stretch this 25 31,000
out as far as we can do. So, so based on
your your projection of entering here
with the this foundation and engaging
the community with all these different
scores, do you think 25,000 is adequate
for your department?
I'd say yes right now only because we we
do um um fund it also with some private
stuff for that. Yeah. So, we kind of
married the two in the budget line
worlds. We're just doing more and more.
We got a slow start this year and that's
what happened. So I can't say um we
could use more. It always seems like you
could by on the same token we got to
manage what we have right now before um
we can kind of grow just like some of
the programs we're talking here. We're
doing um scarcity you know we're going
to buy some stuff for that goes around
participate. I run a couple
very fun.
We followed you guys
on the transfinder
from place to place.
The reason why I asked the question
because you're putting all this effort
into this program. If you don't have the
funding, then it become useless to your
department and wasting your time. So if
we, you know, if we look at it and if
there's additional funding, you should
let us know and we can set aside
additional funding so that you can carry
this program successfully.
We're just going to make sure fire
department.
What?
We're going to build the fire department
at 50%.
He won't make eye contact with us.
I will just ask the mayor to just press
one.
All right, that's any question.
Any additional question on page 18?
Cool. Go ahead. So, um I'm looking here
at the anti-racism training. Um, is that
a one-time training or is we looking to
do that for every officer? And there's,
you know, going to be some
the um the conversations we've been
having so far have revolved around
bringing it in for for an immediate
eight hour training with having followup
refreshers every year, four hour
refreshers. That's kind of what we do
for all our other trainings. And then
I'm also I'm the president of the
academy. I've been having discussions
about bringing into the police academy
so that way we know when they come out
of the academy we've had this training
so then they could just do the
refreshers. So that that's that's the
that's where we're going right now with
it and we um
we're very close to saying we have our our vendor that's going to do it. We
had conversation uh two days ago
tomorrow we were in that meeting um we
have about the the Underground Railroad
putting it on. So I have my training
sergeant following up with them and we don't even we don't even know numbers
yet. This is the uh the this is a number
that we had on a proposal that um we
felt that if we had to go with that
would have been only a one time thing.
So, we're hoping that this money
actually we pay less for the Underground
Railroad that we have the ability for
the refreshers. Also, I'm thinking that
on having someone
in house um to kind of like do some, you
know, as these trainings and stuff grow
growing, you know, there's
programs that you can kind of train
people um to do some turnkey stuff as
well. um that might you know cut the
cost but maintain um actually increase
the uh efficiency and sustainability of
that kind of that that
training trainer type of thing.
Yeah. Trainer trainers and I think
suggestion just due to the nature of the
training that it is facilitated by you
know someone outside but you have those
people inside that act as the support
roles and can kind of run some of those
professors throughout the year.
again new program, you know, trying to
grow it out. It's just trying to get our
hands around to begin with is sometimes
hard to first step.
Chief, um I guess we a couple of us
intended the training that you that you
invited us to down into zone 5 where
they had actually implicit bias training
as part of that. Is that something
that's continually ongoing as new
recruits are coming through zone five or
does that was just
that that training is done in zone five.
procedural justice and we have
procedural justice one, two and three
and I believe procedural justice three
is the implicit bias training that
okay
so that is ongoing it starts at the academy
on
that's what I thought going to be% thank
you
question for the mayor may come dispatch
I know I'm hold on this here what we
supposed to say on this country dispatch
Where is that?
404C4
Conte dispatch. Are we supposed to be
saving rather than spending more money
on this?
1.991
mil
18 almost at a top.
It's 3120 404 state.
I think some of that for they just
settled new contract. I think part of
that is a new contract that they had a
lot of vacancies within the county. I
don't want to speak for them, but
there's a
signed a contract
uh that gave payraises and other things.
It just becomes the ability to recruit
and retain qualified employees.
And
I still believe that we are saving money
and providing better service having the
Consolidated dispatch
question any question chief can you have
all of it maintain
I don't see your hand
you put on this
go ahead right
chief I had a question about the
maintenance contracts a3
uh almost double Do you have like an
explanation?
I can explain this one. Last year when
we did it, um
it got reduced more than we intended. We I I had actually transfer money to
this line this year up to upwards almost
$100,000 90 some thousand dollar to
cover the cost. This 265 is is we have a
um you know our administrative expense
sheet that we actually probably justify
a lot of these fines and and these are
pretty much hard numbers but maintenance
agreements have been going up. And again
the technology we talked about before
this is all different fees for licensing
fees for maintenance agreements on
certain softwares and um unfortunately
it was just very under budget in 2022.
So we did transfer money we live within
our budget here but it just um this is
just make a more accurate number.
Any other question on this?
Oh okay. Yeah that's
so you have officers
um
with funding go through ARA. So that
again you know relates to my question
what do we do?
It's the same I think same answer right
I think it's for Anthony but
for quote yes our proportion of the
inspector
no I'm talking about 833 100 except one
officers 10
oh yeah oh yeah those are
10 officers those are the 10 officers
coming uh
from these are the 10 officers that were
filling positions.
Yeah. This is just replacement, you
know, the co care when we went down
retirements and so forth that ARPA
allows us to replace under the rules. Um
I I think the question is how that's the
question is the question is what happens
after no and we're aware of that and
conscious of it. You know, from a police
department, it's a little hard. We're
not in a revenue making business, but I
do think Anthony spoke about before our
revenues have said steady increase I
think are going to go further. We've
taken on some initiatives within our
traffic division for instance just over
the past few months and and generated um
probably another
50 or 60% of of fine tickets and this is
gain compliance, you know, and that
we're we're hitting our heavy accent
areas within the city and writing more
tickets. Um and the cause is the reason
we're doing it is not for the fine
portion of it but for the um try to
reduce accidents but at the same portion
same time there's a benefit as far as
revenues coming you know they get
tickets and so forth
and want gain compliance but um there's
other things within there we're
constantly looking for grant monies you
know with through federal governments
and stuff and we've been very very
successful over the years but I'm hoping
some eventually we can make that pitch
as well.
And again, this goes with the fire
department. They're so uh under man,
this is actually just bring them up to
where they were prior. And then you'll
see in the next two years, they'll be at
that number. They would not be getting
10 15 guys a year, you know, going
through the cate going down about,
excuse me, down to four or three or
whatever.
It's not the number that I'm concerned
about. It's just like now that we had
10. Yeah.
And then our money is no more.
How will we continue to pay
if we can maintain a steady number? Our
problem is we just had over the past
couple years a lot of retirements. What
I'm getting at is the overtime lines.
The only the only real areas that we can
kind of save. Okay. How can we save
money? I think if we see Phil if we get
the 167 we're always playing catchup in
police department and it creates
overtime and it's just a compounding
factor. Got a good point. If we can if
we can get these true numbers up here
and have that stability of of officers
stay and not leave one particular year,
you I think we'll see reduction in the
overtime. Um but that's really kind of
where we have to attack internally. It's
hard for us to attack externally say we
can raise funds this way because that's
not our our you know task or mission.
Yeah. More manpower be less officers
working overtime and so forth.
That makes sense. That kind of leads me
to the other question because I did ask
why is there more of the time with more
office?
Yeah, if I can recall last year
vacancies.
I'm sorry. Sorry. If I can recall last
year when we were hiring new officers
into this year, you had mentioned to us
that by hiring these new officer will
technically reduce over time. But if you
look on page 19, overtime is going up on
this line by A3122112.
Mhm.
Over time is going up despite the fact
that we're hiring our about approved
additional officers by 400,000.
No, it's not really
down from 2021.
You got to combine the two overtime.
They are money.
No, I'm talking about comparing last
year's budget. So this year I'm hiring
me officers.
Well, at the end of this year when you
see what actual expenses, they don't
understand.
So my thing is that
no trying to get a more realistic
budget.
Yeah.
What happens is, you know, we had a
large large amount of retirements last
year. Like we we took a big impact
budget wise from our our buyouts. you
know, 20 years ago when the contract was
signed to have take away unwilling the
sick time, which, you know, was really a
good thing because Officer Shmore, they
finally hit that 20 year mark where now
they start retiring. We have to uh pay
them out. We increased some of those
lines this year um through the through
the unused sick time, unused vacation
time, but we actually paid
almost three times as much as we had
budgeted um within this 2022 budget. 200
people that retired this year.
We think it's caught up to itself now.
We're not have you know as many
retirements next year. we just happen to
have a plateau where a number of people
at 20 plus years and um that drives your
overtime though again factor if we don't
have the officers now we have a lot of
officers in the academy graduating
academy we had two academy classes going
on at once hiring I mean there there's a
lot of she referred to numbers with
people on military leave people on um
other other medical workers comp and
stuff our workers comp numbers are
actually very manageable now I really
kind of proud the officers as far as
we've really kind of brought those in as
far as work comps and 207c's officer
related injuries, but every time an
officer goes down, it compounds over
times and that's kind of really
unfortunately that we're attacking it,
but it just it's a there's a lot of
angles, a lot of fingers that touch it.
So,
it's not that we raised it, just being
more realistic.
No, no, I understand I understand the
whole concept of it, but it's just that
um you know, the whole talk was last
year this year was hire more officer
reducing over time, but we're not seeing
any savings. So if that was what I'm
trying to get because even even though
our to's higher, we haven't we're we're
10 we're down 10 now. We just haven't
been able to close that gap.
That's what I was man That's what I was
wondering though. Even though we said we
increased the number of officers, did we
actually fill all those spots?
There's still right now there's nine
there's four that come off the training
this week and there's still 13 from the
training. So we we did hire some but
they don't count as yet. So
and then when you take that number, we
have 154 active officers right now
payroll budget for 164 basically. So
we're actually here, but then the the
eight or so he just spoke about are not
considered staffing yet. So they again
these numbers it gets very confusing.
So it wouldn't affect the overtime I
guess in terms of what Mr. Mutar is
asking about not yet full-fledged
officers and then over time would go
down because then we have that staff.
Yeah, want to see that
happen
just from a mathematical equation when
this chief said it does it does our
staffing can stay up consistently at our our table organization then yes that
number would be driven down because you
have certain amount of manh hours being
deployed within the police department
but when you drop that number it
compounds it compounds over time
if I'm saying it right
the contract of the PBA is up December
31st
So, you're going to adopt a budget, but
I some point come back to you and say
you're going to have to amend it.
Yeah. All right. I had a question on um
No, my question got answered.
There's an item here for 92. Oh, sorry.
It's 8312212-085.
I think it's it's intense that they're
working with the fire department.
That thing that Dr.
Yeah. hidden in that column. What is it
actually?
It's
that what Chief Marino was talking. Yes.
Okay.
One thing also I can say in that with
the tactical medical we're trying to
there's not an accreditation for SWAT
teams. There's what they call
certification or SWAT team
certification. Um, one of the
requirements is to have a a medical
personnel staff on all all call outs for the tactical team. We're very close
to receiving that certification. And the
reason I bring it up now is is this is a summing point that we've had to not
receive it. Once we get that in place, I
believe everything will be up to speed
on on getting the certification. With
that certification, it allows us to
apply for certain grants. We can't apply
for them until we have a certification.
So as as weird as it may sound, so that
will actually be funding behind this
money um as soon as we get the
certification every year they have a
couple grants that come out that for
certified um tactical teams that can
only apply. So
I'll make sure I call chief to remind
them.
All right. And any question on this?
Yeah, just one quick question on
A3122121.
Um the what's what's the special police
officer?
What's the roles of responsibility?
There's one downstairs. They're the ones
there's the ones walk they have a title
of civil service title special police
officer. Okay. And it comes they have to
have so much year as a law enforcement
officer I believe three years. There's
some criteria that they have but it also
gives them almost like a peace officer
status. It's not quite peace officer but
so so that's why we have special
officers.
All right. Thank you.
And they all worked with us before so
they're kind of special to us.
You're putting yourself in trouble
for crossing guard. So we're looking to
raise their their salaries to $17 an
hour right now.
Nice.
Yeah.
That way we can try, you know, attract
more people that have our police force.
So our parking guys do the crossing.
Yeah, we've been um crossing guard
program. It's it's
hours out many hours a day. We're having
some trouble getting up the staff. I
mean, we're doing pretty good right now.
I believe we're recently.
Yeah, we're getting there. But we still
have the incentive that they show up so
many times they get that little bonus.
Okay, let's move to page 20.
Chief, can you just explain? Does
anybody have a crime analyst supervisor?
That is from 16,000 to 96,000.
That was my
That's a crime analyst.
Yes.
You want to explain that to the county?
Oh,
the county was um before now that's
met Douglas and she's coming over. He's
going to be the supervisor of the
analysts. We moved they were paying for
a portion of them and now we have to pay
for the full portion.
Yeah. some of some of it paid for with
grant funding also through GIF which
this is still give if you look at I know
Anthony said our budget um request is
$600 some um additional 661,000 but we
also raised our revenues by 336,000
I believe but with that with that some
of the give money was placed in there
our give money was up and so that just
kind of offsets some of these these
numbers that you see here
that that was my
Yeah, I just went up.
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We probably all caught that one.
Yeah. Any question on page 20?
No.
Oh, sorry.
Could you uh explain to you what CMYK
refers to?
I can if you want. It's just that's for
our detectives. Um Oh,
we'll line you on here. Um 115.
Yes, 115. We we have uh um every week
and on weekends detectives on call and
then they get on standby pay. It's
basically equivalent of three hours of straight time or overtime, I can't
remember. Um so if you do the
calculations, I can get you the
calculations. Um it's 52 weeks a year.
We have to pay I believe it's three
hours Monday through Friday and there's
three hours for weekends and that's just
a they're mandated to come in. So it's that's
any other question please go ahead.
So for court court overtime that's just
when officers have to go to court
testify or
correct. Yeah, we we've seen a drop in
that over the past since co um and
there's lot don't know if that's going
to go up at some point but we can't
forecast it right now is going up for
next year they don't
the reality is it's probably going to
move up
this is just hard to forecast this year
we could justify raising it
any other questionable
please
no
That's good. So we have one item on this
page invest.
Any other question on this? I think we
have
lead program or lead attorney
lead program.
The lead program uh is it's it's
going to happen. It hasn't started yet.
So we had the funding last year that we
have not even sent over yet. and we made
a decision that we were going to send
the money to the county,
let them run to have a contract before
we do that,
but we we kind of said that we don't
need to fund it for next year because
last year's funding wasn't used yet. So
then we we'll have to see how the
program runs for the 2024.
So our plan is if we don't get a
contract, we're going to income the
money so that we can hold it and move
it. going forward
and I think we'll probably have
something in place by the end of the
year. The numbers will work
with what's there or pretty close.
I think Go ahead.
Well, just one final question about the
Axon, the officer safety plan. So, um
that I know that there's no no money
here because I know it's paid for. So,
that would we talked about the body
warning cameras because I thought I saw
a cost in here, but I can't find it now.
body cameras.
So capital.
So um I thought my understanding was
this covered those and so I'm I'm not
really understanding why I'm seeing it
additional
threeear plan. This is the third year
capital
again capital but yes
but the capital that's not just funding
it says by kind of funds all the
computers within the department we
replace a lot of older I know the fire
chief's talking about all those cars 17
year old cars we have a lot of computers
10 11 years old just outdated with non
detective division stuff so we two years
ago we had a three-year plan this is the
final year of that three year plan so
it's not just body
infrastructure as far as IT and
computers are concerned. That's not
the will pay for a portion of Axon.
Yeah. And we'll pay for it.
Yeah. Well, yes. The first we have the
funding right now for first couple years
as we talked for Axon program
because my understanding was that the
Axon program can't use the existing body
cameras that you have now. So that's why
I was wondering why we're paying.
Yeah. No, no, no. We can get into that
just by waiting until we get the
capital.
Okay. All right.
Thank you.
We're going to have animal control.
So, we'll just go to page 30.
Animal control and we'll complete.
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Yes.
Go ahead.
Um fees for service
55,000. I just didn't know.
Yes. So we we contracted with Mohawk
Hudson last year.
Um so now
we are getting we before we we were
housing the dogs on street
down there and after a certain amount of
time we would have to try to find homes
for the dogs. We have to try to leave.
Now I think I was go to W Hudson. They
care for them. They they walked several
times a day that there's a a lot of good
stuff they're doing. So,
and just so you know, the the fees were
escalating every month. So, we had a
series of meeting Mohawk Hudson and
obviously they're the professionals in
the business. And then we uh came in
with a number monthly. So, no matter how
many animal dogs we bring there, it's a
lot. Doesn't matter how many days they
stay. We've been running problems with
um animals that were assigned because of
courts. We couldn't lease them for
months and months and months and we just
can't house them at our at our facility
down here. We still use this as like an
emergency holding area for 24 hours, but
something that we can give them the dogs
and also the dogs are more likely to be
adopted. Yeah.
And cared for
better.
Do we have these two position filled?
One is filled, one is not.
We are looking for one. We've uh we had
some interviews and I had some people
not show up for interviews. So, but we are currently looking for one.
Go ahead, please.
And I know that they're not available on
weekends.
So, right now she's off um s Sundays and
Mondays.
Oh, Sundays and Mondays.
Yeah. So, she works Tuesday or Saturday.
Currently,
I've had to call different times and
they're not available and we just kind
of hold on to the animal. So, Monday.
Yes. So with the other um once we hire
you stagger the hours schedule so that
gets
take the job.
Is that a flat amount that we pay
regardless? It's not like if we go over
so many dogs then we got to pay a little
extra. Okay. What happens we saw it over 20 end of 2021 beginning in 2022 it
just keep on escalating and we were
working with them very closely just
because dog care became a task you know
and especially without not many
accomplishers
so we had a series of meetings with them
just to help them refine it help us out
and then uh we really did this as a
budget saver and because our cost kept
on escalating to well over
but now we have no worry we can bring
them out there more often we have on um
if there's dog needs care with another
vet, we have a a cap on how much they
can do before we you know um have to
give the okay, you know, because
sometimes animals come in very wounded
and we have to make that termination.
So, just it's very complicated, but from
a budget standpoint, I'll speak to a
budget standpoint more for it just make
budget sense that a contract even though
it's it's high, it's a lot of money, but in the long run, I think it's a a
great benefit to the animals in in the
city. It's a fair deal
at all cost and doing some stuff. You
know, Sam Kirkoff's working on the
licensing side. So, it's again promoting
the proper care and ownership of
animals,
but does the the clerk's office also do
the redemption side,
right?
So, but there's no there's no revenue
that's generated as a result of that.
There's Yeah. on the redemption.
If there's a line to know what
redemption what you need
for signing on to take your dog in
custody for something.
So the answer is we are there isn't
revenue that goes to the clerk's office
for that.
There is a minimal at this point.
Well, it goes into
the revenue
if if you look at if you look at
but it goes Yeah, but it goes into I'm
saying does it go like directly to the
clerk's budget? I understand goes in
general fund.
No, it goes well
everything goes into the general fund
and then it's allocated back out to the
park. There's not
anything there's a revenue line item for
it. Um the one of the issues that we
have right now is especially now with
this contract that we have a monthly
fee. How do we determine what the cost
is? So we're working with the
corporation council to try and probably
come to our city council with another
proposal of setting fees um for how long
we keep it the dollars and stuff like
that. So, we're kind of working through
that right now, but it's um No, we just
got to figure out the cost of doing
business.
Just trying to get the other that other
body that she needs.
Also, it's about her and us.
So, right now, I understand like so that
the dog control officer, they're not
if they're on their days off, other
officers aren't necessarily able to
respond to like those type of situations
or
so they do. So we have a few officers
that work closely with the initial
officer now um that gone through some of
the trainings. Actually I went to some
of them myself before um and then but
she's not there. So, if it's a somebody
that did a child and we we try to call
her, we try to recall her and if she's
not coming in, then one of the officers
will go um we have our lieutenants
oversee her and he's usually responds
and and helps out with that until it
comes so she's able to follow up with.
But yeah, right now if it's if it's off
hours, it's hopefully she comes in. If
not, then there are a few of us that are more trained than others.
Gent
calls and we'll probably wait on them.
Yes, those will go.
Good job.
All right, I think that's good. We just
move on to Since you're here, capital.
Oh, parking. Parking first.
What is it? I'm sorry.
83320.
I'm sorry I I have to ask um I know a
few um individuals in the city that care
for dogs or do dog training. Would you
be open to creating a predium aspect of
it? I'm trying to think of individuals
to apply for that type of role. Would
you be open to kind of those changing
details? So I if it's okay I mean I
definitely am u we used to have a
part-time anal before um due to contract
stuff you know there's a primary anal
officer gets preference on coming in and
things like that but if there's somebody
that's interested absolutely I would um
I think we there was a list and I think
we reached out to everybody on the list
now there is
well yeah there was civil service list
we we exhausted the list as we say
meaning actually we had some no shows
Yes.
Um some one person we wouldn't consider.
So
yeah, if you know somebody, we would
definitely be interested in speaking
with him because we'd like to have that
position filled.
Yeah. On a full-time basis, we'll be
offering a test probably again this
year, early next sometime early next
year through civil services. It does,
but it is a tested position on a
full-time basis.
Okay. Page 23.
Do we have all these position filled in
terms of the the parking meter
attendant?
Nice.
I guess for
any question on this
it's pretty simple.
She seems very have to bring this one
up. I know there were no question that's
why I
that's why
go ahead.
Um so I have a question. So we don't
have um any parking um attendance on the
weekend.
Um that's something that was ever
considered. I mean not for downtown by
any means. I think it's important that
no one has to pay on any events downtown
or after hours, but there's like so
much, you know, on weekends, Saturdays,
Sundays, people parked in the wrong
spot, people probably calling the police
department for
Yes, I know. So, our officers do a
little bit, but not a lot of it. Um, and
there has been times where there's been
different details where our park
enforcement officers have worked
weekends um for us, but there is nothing
in plans currently to have somebody full
time on on the weekends.
I would definitely I'd be open to it for
sure if we could we could build a
position. Yes, there's definitely a
main street about people would be called
on weekends for
right that puts an officer out there,
you know, again
would be taken over by someone that
the meters are active the meters are
active.
I don't think so. I don't think we have
to pay for
Monday through Friday, I think.
Even though the
garage
behind Proctor is charged a fee when
there's
I don't mean I just mean the rest of the
city.
call.
Yeah.
All right. Capital.
I'm not sure specific order you want to
go.
No. Okay. Well, I'll touch on the
replacement of computers and stuff.
Again, this was part of a three-year
plan that we had. This is before we went
into the Axon program. Um I I would like
to see it if it's not fully funded at
least to be funded to some degree
because it's beyond more than just axon
programs because we have a number of
outdated computers server softwares that
were kind of
just we we needed to overhaul the whole
system which we're doing really well and
just this will just continue on the
program. um if there's monies left over
at the end of the year, then we could
apply them towards future um acts on expenses, you know, if it's,
you know, so we can kind of not say
warehouse the money, but we do have
three years to spend it. We don't
obligate it or or borrow it until it's
needed. So, it's not like it's, you
know, it's um
ahead of time, so it's not like we're
paying anything on it, but that would
kind of lock us in. We said before at
council meetings, we had two years worth
of funings for the program in hand. We
already
deployed our first year's defense on
that and it's all in motion and all set
for next year. So, you're in good shape.
This would just kind of be um if if
council wishes if we need to divide it
out and say how much is know we need
this year we can but I don't think it's
a waste in any sense of of the word.
for future future um
but large large part of this money is
going to be part of
this year that was that was our thought.
Yeah. Yeah. This this money won't be
used for the next this year or next year
for axon because we have money in in
hand already for that grant funding.
But yes, it' be the following year after
that if but on the same token we still
have a number of computers within the
department and some servers that we have
to replace and add on to that this money
will go towards. So,
it's just part of our infrastructure of
our police department. So,
you said you have those number
available.
No, I I don't have it. I can I can
probably, you know, drill down a little
bit, but I also I would encourage
everybody to think about funding the
whole thing because it will not go to,
you know, we're not asking for fluff
here. We're asking this is for
infrastructure. Once that gets set up,
if there's additional funding, just like
some kind of capital funding, we can put
it off towards the up to three years
from now when we need funding there. um
under under the capital and I'm not
trying to rob Peter pay Paul but just it
sure
if I won't be here in three years you
guys
listen sorry
so you're saying there won't be any for
body cameras or not
no no not this year um but there will be
we do have expenses and stuff
for year after two years two years
and yes
as part of our plan
and why not if you need Obviously, you
know, we'll go after some grand funding
and so forth. So, if it's not, it's not,
but it's just um it does help with our
infrastructure as far as computer
technologies keeps on changing and some
of the things that we're doing
internally is like I said, we're
embracing technology um that putting
different devices in the cars and so
forth. So,
any more questions on that one?
Okay, thanks.
All right. Uh so, talk about
the police vehicles next.
Oh, police vehicles next again. This is
um part of it really was a three-year
project that we have quite um we
proposed two years ago. This is the
third year of this. Um we we asked for
replacement of these vehicles. One of
the biggest problems we have right now,
we ordered cars a year ago, May,
um we actually just rolled them out.
So we're in the process. So we have a
proposal for the mayor for this last
capital funding to do is rolling out. So
we're a little bit behind, but it's not
our fault. It's just the manufacturers.
We just can't get the cars. Yeah. Yeah.
I just want to also add that one year in
2020, we did not purchase cars did not
have capital projects that year. So
behind
and so we're trying to get caught up in
our our fleet is is obviously in getting
older and older and it's you know the
idea was this is that we could um expand
out our fleet to have each platoon each shift have their own bodies of cars
and put less miles on the cars so the
cars will last longer. And that's still
our goal. Um so we're asking for funing.
We do we did take on some electric
vehicles that we have within the
police department and I personally never
drove them before and I I actually like
it. It's not fun to be seen in
it's kind of little and blues. It's like
the
as far as the car actually more pep lot
more speed kind of a little bit
different driving.
They can sneak up on people.
You can sneak up on people
the new Ford too are hybrids.
Yes. Yes. or hybrids in our we don't
know what mileage will
these would be would be
this is basically same type of things
than been purchasing
we are looking at other options within
the electric car world but really not
much more no one really makes a police
package problem with some of the
electric cars is the stuff we have to
put into them they can't just fully be
electric so
and may I ask another question on that
so these newer cars when we do have the
stuff that Axon will give us um they'll
be able to go into these cars.
Yeah. Yeah. Those go into the hybrids
for interceptors and so forth. I was
just say they can't go into all electric
because there's just too much
there's too much um weight of the
battery. Yeah.
Too much battery.
Just like I'm talking about like you
know in our in our detective cars for
instance you know we have light bars we
have certain things that they have and
just low profile but you can't like
leave them on all the time because the
car you know you know drain down. Um
there's different miles you get out of
it and so forth. But we're we're working
through some of that. The radios in the
cars, you know, they have to make sure
they go off when they can. I again,
we're learning how to drive electric
cars cuz it when you break they actually
charge the battery and there's things
that I kind of different
but
a question if you know on top of your
head how many cars are in your fleet and
then how many are slated for
replacement?
I don't um there's there's 70 some cars
within our fleet, but a lot of those are
um older cars that we use for vice
garage has a 10 cars designed to know
they use them just but they're old, you
know, 10 15 year old cars. Um I can get
you the number of it. We're constantly
replacing. We have basically 35 mark
units in the department. So 35 of those
cars. I I I can get you more solid
numbers. um deal with accidents and
sometimes the engines go or the wear and
tear. We put we put about um about
35,000 miles on a car patrol vehicle a
year and we're trying to reduce that
down to about 20. And that's that was
the idea of this project right here. Um
if we could have gotten the cars like we
intended, um we think we would have got
know 25,000 miles a year or less on that
vehicle because nobody would have been
assigned and therefore you get, you
know, let's just say 125 to 130,000
miles out. you get five, six years out
of it. Um the idea is that right now
we're kind of getting three good years
and then you know the last year is a
little bit skeptical. The equipment
within the cars last for was guaranteed
for five six years. So we're trying to
just have the the longevity of the
equipment and cars even the light bars.
So we're not train changing it over
constantly. So um the plan I think was a
good plan just if we can get the cars
rolling. So
when we started to we missed
We did some purchase 21 22 I don't know
this is anybody can get a list of how
much replacement we did 21 22
plus this 10 14 16 here
how many cars we
how many we did in 21 22 new
how many we purchased
yes um
none in 21 cuz we actually put an order
in and we didn't get until 22
got blurry
yeah it's more how we got get delivery
again. Um, so I can I'll go back to 20.
Yeah, just
they're starting to roll out2.
No, we just kind of got our order. I
haven't sent them there yet. Just it's
okay. So,
okay.
You have any more item? You did a solar sign boards. We have three
currently. So we deploy them um let the
community know different events that are
going on. We also put them in hight
traffic areas that just scattered
throughout. People will call us up and
ask for signs that say slow down in
different areas. So we deploy them. We
had a few older ones that have are no
longer operational. We have three that
are solar powered that we use. They're out every day now. Um different
place about the city. Somebody calls us
up and kind of go on a list of know for
a week or two at a time. the event and
fireworks are coming up or road's going
to be closed. We'll go throw them out
ahead of time just and we would like to
have four more of those bring a total of
seven.
We just got one last year. So,
did you touch on property evidence store
system?
No, I'll touch on that real quick.
within our I'm not sure how many council
members have done this police department
for a tour, but we we do have within our
evidence technicians rooms. Um
what do you call those? Um
uh file cabinets, they can store a lot
of stuff. They go up the ceiling 14 15
ft high. Um
the storage areas and I'm not doing
justice to it, but it's pretty
impressive. But in our in our records,
so we have two rooms that that house
probably um two to three times as much
property as you could if you didn't have
them. But then our our our archive room,
the archive room is all of our old
cases, um detective cases, um some
traffic stuff that we're we're mandated
by by law to retain for a certain amount
of time. Um some is three years, some
six years, some is up to 25 years
depending on the crime itself. Within
there, we're just running out of room.
And so the idea is that if we brought
this this storage system, it would
almost double if not more our capacity.
So um and still within the same room. So
requesting the same type of system that
we have now within our evidence rooms.
It really probably should stay instead
of property evidence room or storage
room. It should be um records and
archive room. So it's just for it's not
for property evidence. It's for records
retention. So
any question
regards to the mobile camera. I know we
talked many years about adding one
currently.
Is that out and deployed or is that on
standby
being repaired right now?
It's fixed actually.
Oh, it's fixed.
Back.
And we have another one on order I
believe.
Yes. Y and I looking at um ordering
additional because we talked about a
couple years and like look at over the
years ordering one or two because it's
expensive.
May I ask what that is?
It's balancing the camera network. So
some of the as you expand the network
you
don't have the need for the oneoff
deployments but there are still times
and places where that is useful and it
creates a level of deterrence.
So something that you want to look at
um the capital budget so complement
whatever you have you have two one and
one coming in the next one.
We'll see how much interest rates go up.
Look at the whole budget.
We talk about security, we talk about
public safety, and the camera, the
mobile camera is very useful.
I can tell you this that we're we're
looking at camera systems in general a
lot. We're looking at how we can better
utilize the cameras that currently exist
in the in the in the city. Smart city uh
optical sensors,
uh the county's cameras, uh private
cameras. How can we capture all that?
There's software out there that can help
us with that. There's license plate
readers that we're looking at. So, we're
looking at the whole big picture and
that certainly could be a part of it.
And we we're going to need to do a
little bit more research to get an
answer.
I I'm not to delay us, but what I don't
actually know what that is. Can I just
say when you move them into an area,
everybody knows who there, so everybody
kind of say it's very useful when you
have all those cameras out there.
Everybody knows about it. Everybody
talks about it.
So, it's like
the South Avenue. Yeah.
It's a total trailer that's about half
the size table and it's it goes up like
20 ft or so. There's a fall on top and
it's 360 camera and power. We've
just
Okay. when we had the meeting I think
last our last committee meeting and we
heard about the 500 cameras I think Mr.
K was presenting I happened to be out
with my husband after that and I said
there's 500 cameras
oh no like he immediately like you know
kind of breaks in his car I was like see
okay
some of those camera help solve crimes
actually solve the crime I would
imagine.
So that's why I'm kind of like to shout
out because I know
that we saw the grand vandalism also.
The one we purchased before was grant
money. This one that we're purchasing
now with grant money and so there is
grant money to be had out there. But the
chief said we finding a whole system has
almost like information below how we
manage it. And um
what was what was the last price that
you don't
this last one?
Yeah,
it was it was $70,000.
Yeah. That's why we were gonna buy two.
We bought one right now because we
thought we get get for like 40,000 but
just like everything else going up.
Jeez.
All right.
Any any other business of for finance? I
have a motion.
Second. All in favor? Thank you. Enjoy
the rest of your good job,
right? Yeah.
still get treated better.
You're right. Okay. All right.