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[3:17] Good. Good evening everyone. I would
[3:19] like to call the city finance committee
[3:22] to order and we are discussing the 2023
[3:26] uh budget this evening and this evening
[3:28] we'll be touching on revenue the city
[3:30] council the clerks the mayors the law
[3:33] department judgment claims police fire
[3:37] department
[3:41] to go first
[3:42] whatever the chair person
[3:44] yes if you don't mind um before you
[3:46] start there were some questions. So, I'm going to pass around
[3:49] um the answer to some of these
[3:51] questions,
[3:53] please.
[3:55] This one here is the unfilled position.
[4:01] This is question from Miss Toro.
[4:05] Good answer. And these are question from
[4:07] Miss Patrick. Good answer.
[4:11] Unfortunately, we don't have the answers
[4:13] to Miss um questions.
[4:15] I don't know why you missed that. the
[4:16] question. Uh,
[4:17] thank you.
[4:19] We have that. So, we'll try to get that
[4:21] in as early as possible to
[4:23] I'll ask them and then
[4:29] copy that.
[4:35] No, we can make
[4:38] Oh,
[4:43] that's Dean's I think. Um,
[4:46] so
[4:47] we also have a question that was asked
[4:50] from the clerk's department for revenue.
[4:59] Okay,
[5:00] this is in our package.
[5:02] Yeah,
[5:08] thank you.
[5:10] job description was asked, but we only
[5:13] have two copies.
[5:14] So, I will make the job description.
[5:17] Just the top sheet for the mayor.
[5:20] Yep.
[5:23] Yeah, just the innovative thing.
[5:24] Yeah, I got them both. The one for both.
[5:25] Yeah, just two copies. So, I want
[5:27] copies. Okay, that's fine. Or you want
[5:29] me to make copies of
[5:30] No, I just was wondering what the
[5:31] I have here.
[5:33] Thank you.
[5:38] This one.
[5:50] Yes.
[5:50] All right. I just want to do a quick uh
[5:53] overview of the water permit. Uh um
[5:57] compared to 2022, the request is only
[6:00] $11,150
[6:01] more. Uh it's only a 1.15%
[6:05] increase from the prior prior year.
[6:09] Andrew, anything you would have to add
[6:11] to that
[6:13] in terms of the overall numbers? Uh no
[6:15] department as a whole.
[6:17] Sure. Um certainly touch on that. I know
[6:20] there was some pointed questions. Um we
[6:23] have not filled the deputy corporation
[6:25] council position. Um it has been vacant
[6:29] this year. Um obviously we're looking to
[6:34] uh fill that position. Uh one of the
[6:37] questions um point of questions related
[6:39] to the increase in that um salary. Um we
[6:45] did fill an assistant corporate. I will
[6:47] speak generally. It's been difficult to
[6:49] find um attorneys
[6:52] um to to come work for the department.
[6:56] Um, we lost an assistant corporation
[6:58] council a couple weeks ago. Um, there's
[7:03] a question about the the pdium salary at
[7:06] the bottom of the budget. Um, we're
[7:10] using and we have a an assistant
[7:12] corporation council who's part-time who
[7:14] works approximately 15 hours or so per
[7:17] week. Um, part of that was related to um
[7:21] his pension and retirement um because he
[7:25] previously worked at the DA's office. Uh
[7:28] I anticipate he will continue working
[7:29] for the city in 2023 on a part-time
[7:32] basis. Um so obviously we're looking to
[7:35] fill uh the open positions
[7:39] um the deputy corporation council
[7:41] position and now we have a vacant
[7:42] assistant corporation council position.
[7:45] Um, as you all know, um, the work in the
[7:48] law department doesn't slow down. Um,
[7:51] you know, we are in court practically
[7:53] every day during the week. Um, you know,
[7:57] we're working with the various
[7:58] departments. Um, you know, obviously,
[8:01] you know, working with legislation for
[8:03] the council and for the mayor's office.
[8:05] Um, you know, drafting contracts,
[8:07] negotiating contracts so things don't,
[8:09] as I said, things just don't slow down.
[8:11] Um but there is a need obviously to fill
[8:14] positions and part of that uh increase
[8:16] for the deputy corporation council
[8:17] position is to um be competitive uh and
[8:21] fill the position because it's been
[8:23] vacant as I said for a year.
[8:32] Any questions on this section? Go ahead.
[8:35] So with the um vacancy of the recent
[8:38] assistant corporation council, are you
[8:40] anticipating any changes to the overtime
[8:43] or how does that how would that affect?
[8:45] We don't offer overtime um so it's you
[8:49] know if we did you know back when I was
[8:51] an assistant corporation counsel um you
[8:54] know and working you know certain weeks
[8:56] 60 hours I would have logged over time
[9:00] um but you know we put in the time that
[9:02] we have to put in and get things done.
[9:04] Thank you.
[9:06] Tuition reimbursement. I see that you
[9:08] have that there.
[9:10] So that would be um attorneys have
[9:12] requirements related to continuing legal
[9:14] education. Uh we have to do 24 hours. Um
[9:20] experienced attorneys need to do 24
[9:21] hours every two years. Uh 12 and 12 per
[9:25] year.
[9:26] Um so you know I just finished some CL
[9:30] not too long ago. Actually I didn't put
[9:31] in for reimbursement. uh is there so
[9:34] that attorneys can you know get the and
[9:37] it has to be relevant to our practice
[9:39] you know it can't be you know not for
[9:41] profofit CL and it would have to be
[9:44] something relevant to the type of work
[9:45] we do uh but is therefore reimbursing
[9:48] those continuing legal education credits
[9:51] did you um did you expand any money from
[9:54] last year's
[9:55] um I don't believe we did we may not
[9:58] have
[9:59] not 2022 but we've had in 2020 And
[10:02] that's why we created the line in 2022
[10:04] because uh in 2021 we put it through
[10:07] like administer
[10:09] expense. We wanted to show what it was
[10:11] before.
[10:21] Any other questions? Go ahead.
[10:23] Um so line a 142100 assistant
[10:25] corporation council for ARPA. Uh, how do
[10:28] you anticipate paying for this position
[10:30] in the future when there's no longer
[10:32] harmed funds?
[10:33] To be frank, I don't know. Um, you know,
[10:37] looking at this, it says $91,800.
[10:40] I believe that this position is
[10:43] currently filled. It might be by um Mr.
[10:47] Marty,
[10:48] by Chris Martney. Um, you know,
[10:52] we have an open position right now. Um
[10:55] in the past obviously the council's
[10:57] aware that you know we had I think at
[10:59] one point maybe six attorneys working in
[11:01] the office and you know it's as it
[11:04] stands right now um the budget includes
[11:07] five positions um you know it's
[11:10] something that would have to be
[11:11] addressed in the future certainly um you
[11:14] know I don't know if we can really
[11:16] whittle away the number of positions
[11:18] that we have based on the need um you
[11:22] know that's something that would have be
[11:24] explored I think in the future right for
[11:27] you know 2024.
[11:29] Um it's something that I'll talk to
[11:31] obviously Anthony about and the mayor to
[11:34] figure out how to you know make it work.
[11:40] I have two other questions. Um so um the
[11:43] predeem salary line what is that used
[11:45] for?
[11:46] Predium salary goes to an assistant
[11:48] corporation council who's parttime. He's
[11:51] paid hourly. um doesn't have any
[11:54] benefits. Um he's retired from the DA's
[11:58] office. He works, as I said, about 15
[12:00] hours per week.
[12:03] I'm sorry.
[12:04] Does a good job, too?
[12:05] Yes, he does.
[12:06] And so, would you cover right now?
[12:09] That that would be
[12:11] so a big
[12:15] I can ask that question.
[12:16] No, when we when we go to that section.
[12:19] Those are my questions. Apart from
[12:20] attorney, you have like the record
[12:21] access officer, code enforcement
[12:23] specialist, confidential sex, IP
[12:25] history. Do you have anybody else
[12:27] working um within this department here
[12:29] that is utilizing your budget?
[12:33] Do you have anybody from OS
[12:36] that is under your budget?
[12:38] Should be in OS?
[12:40] I don't know who should be where. That's
[12:42] not my call to make. Um we have
[12:44] obviously the assistant corporation
[12:46] council positions, the deputy corp
[12:48] council position. my position. The
[12:50] record access officer is essentially
[12:52] like the foil officer. Um it deals with
[12:55] you know subpoenas that come over to get
[12:57] records out. The code enforcement
[12:59] specialist is um you know somebody who
[13:02] oversees not just and there's some
[13:04] overlap obviously in terms of what the
[13:06] folks do because really a lot of times
[13:08] it's all hands on deck. That person's
[13:10] obviously working to get our code cases
[13:12] prepared for for court and the IPS
[13:14] position is in my office. uh the
[13:18] confidential secretary again is in my
[13:20] office. Um so in terms of any you know
[13:24] those positions are all you know reside
[13:26] within my office
[13:28] and you you also have Charlie stepping
[13:30] into your budget.
[13:32] Um there is an assistant. Yes, there's
[13:34] that's Charlie um is an assistant
[13:37] corporation council
[13:39] and does he does the work as an
[13:40] assistant corporation council within
[13:41] your department.
[13:43] I can't well I can't speak for the work
[13:45] that he does. Um I'm not aware.
[13:53] Well, I took it and hired him. He's an
[13:55] attorney and has broader scope
[13:59] of projects.
[14:06] Should I go to another department on
[14:09] another department budget as a special
[14:11] assistant project assistant something
[14:14] just rather than the budget there should
[14:17] be
[14:18] well was using some of the money was in
[14:19] this budget
[14:24] are you asking to reduce the corporation
[14:26] council budget office so where people
[14:30] get assigned is one thing it's what the
[14:33] budget numbers are something else
[14:35] but the job description and what the
[14:36] type of work they're doing
[14:40] you know that whole thing would be a
[14:41] separate presentation in terms of what
[14:45] we're doing. There's been some
[14:46] discussion on the modifying the garbage
[14:49] fees. I put forth proposal
[14:53] uh which is more generic. Also had
[14:55] meetings of the council president, other
[14:57] staff members looking at some of the
[15:00] problem.
[15:02] Uh the staff refers to it as jackpots
[15:07] where people will literally put half a
[15:11] ton, a ton, two tons of material out.
[15:14] And it's how do we modify our fee
[15:17] structure or collection process to
[15:20] allocate costs to those problem
[15:25] properties or
[15:27] situations as opposed to the general fee
[15:32] structure that we have in place for what
[15:34] I call just the normal uh recyclables in
[15:39] the garbage that people put out. So
[15:41] Charlie has been working on that as part
[15:43] of a bigger project.
[15:45] No, I'll be referring my question is
[15:47] that
[15:49] downsize the law department and just
[15:51] looking up to rather than having him in
[15:53] the law department, why not move him
[15:54] align
[15:57] so the law department can hire an actual
[15:59] assistance operation to function and to
[16:01] assist with that department.
[16:04] Well, if we had attorneys, I might look
[16:06] at that, but right now that's who I put
[16:09] where.
[16:14] Any other question for the section?
[16:30] Yes, that is page 16.
[16:36] I was just going to ask could you say
[16:38] the page number? So that's very good.
[16:41] Thank you.
[16:46] As you can see we got the same as 22
[16:55] questions.
[16:56] Go ahead. Um so uh for judgment claims I
[17:00] was wondering how many current cases are
[17:01] pending and is this enough to cover what
[17:04] we have out there? We have a lot out
[17:06] there obviously you know we have cases
[17:08] that you know some cases obviously go on
[17:11] for years you know so to know when
[17:14] certain cases are going to be resolved
[17:17] and how they will be resolved is you
[17:20] know um we can only take an educated
[17:22] guess and even an educated guess is you
[17:25] know really just a guess um so to say
[17:30] that you know if I tell you how many
[17:32] cases we have that's not really going to
[17:34] be indicative of when those cases will
[17:36] win.
[17:37] Um, you know, even if somebody's suing
[17:40] the city for,
[17:42] you know, millions of dollars,
[17:43] hypothetically, that certainly doesn't
[17:45] mean that a claim either has merit and
[17:47] if it does have merit, that is worth $10
[17:50] million, right? Be worth substantially
[17:53] less. Um on top of that, even if we have
[17:56] depending on the type of claim it is,
[17:58] obviously we the city has insurance and
[18:01] in most cases um we would be covered,
[18:04] you know, um anything outside of our
[18:07] deductible. Our deductible um is
[18:10] $100,000.
[18:12] Um so, you know, um even if a case, for
[18:15] example, settles at a million dollars,
[18:18] that would mean that the city's only
[18:20] responsible for its deductible in
[18:23] generally every instance. Um so I don't
[18:26] have the exact number of cases that we
[18:28] currently have pending. Um I don't you
[18:31] know there are certain cases that you
[18:33] know that will probably arise during you
[18:37] know 2023. Uh there are certain cases
[18:40] I'm sure that will be settled during
[18:42] 2023. Uh, you know, we I actually got um
[18:47] a series of letters yesterday from one
[18:48] of our outside counsel saying that, you
[18:50] know, this two of our cases were closed
[18:53] out because the plaintiff didn't take
[18:56] certain action that plaintiff had to do.
[18:58] I didn't anticipate that happening, but
[19:01] it happened, right? And that's good for
[19:03] the city in terms of potential
[19:05] liability.
[19:06] Um, so it's really hard to say exactly
[19:08] where things will fall. I don't see any
[19:10] cases on the horizon that um are going
[19:15] to affect the city's um ability to pay a
[19:18] deductible or anything outside of um a
[19:22] case that would be outside of our
[19:24] insurance coverage. Um and then
[19:27] obviously we have taxerts as well which
[19:29] is somewhat related to the lawsuit too.
[19:32] Um again we have some big taxerts that
[19:35] are out there but you know some of them
[19:38] may turn into you know they may not go
[19:41] anywhere and some of them may not be
[19:43] resolved during the course of 2023. So
[19:46] again I you know I it would be hard to
[19:49] say exactly how much we need to allocate
[19:52] for settlements or for lawsuits. Um it's
[19:56] you know really a guessing game and I
[19:58] think generally generally we've done
[20:01] pretty well with anticipating um you
[20:03] know what the cost will will be.
[20:05] So thank you. So, um, then what's our do
[20:08] you know our year to date for 2022?
[20:13] How much we how much we've paid and for
[20:16] I don't know the number off hand that we
[20:19] offand but I I know it's aboutund and
[20:23] some thousand we just paid.
[20:24] I mean obviously the city council's
[20:26] aware of certain cases that you know
[20:28] we've some where it was you know the
[20:30] deductible had to be paid. Um, and then
[20:33] there are certain cases that fell below
[20:34] the deductible, certain car accidents,
[20:37] things along those lines where the city
[20:38] council, you know, on the back end
[20:39] approved. Um, and there have been a
[20:42] maybe maybe one or two cases where it
[20:45] was under the threshold to bring to
[20:46] council.
[20:47] Um, you know, where it was maybe like
[20:49] $150 or something along those lines.
[20:52] Um, so, you know, I think we can
[20:54] certainly try to calculate those numbers
[20:56] and get them to you.
[20:58] Thank you.
[21:00] Any other questions?
[21:03] Thank you.
[21:11] We'll we'll revert back to regular um
[21:14] stuff, but we'll go to uh Mr. Ferrari
[21:16] for revenue and then we'll work your way
[21:18] through the rest.
[21:19] All right, let's start with the revenue.
[21:21] I think the biggest question is uh
[21:25] property tax. I'm standing out here are
[21:30] the county appropriations where we
[21:32] assess that.
[21:36] I'm sorry. Thank you.
[21:39] And what we assess that how we got to
[21:43] that number.
[21:52] No, take it.
[21:57] So our assessed value as of August 1st
[22:00] is uh 2 billion434,447691.
[22:07] Uh that number uh is not our final number.
[22:12] That number uh uh that Molly uh closes
[22:15] out on is in middle uh mid November. So,
[22:19] uh, we're actually passing a, you know,
[22:22] a tax bill an assumption that it won't
[22:25] change. Uh, we're look we're looking at
[22:27] the estimate of u at we're looking at
[22:30] the estimate at that number. Uh, and
[22:32] we're we we feel that uh
[22:37] that because of that there' be no uh Oh
[22:40] my god. Did I give you the one of the
[22:41] numbers? Hold on here.
[22:49] Yes, I think
[22:51] but uh our tax our tax liability is
[22:55] going to be 31,629,000
[22:58] I think on your sheet on the next
[23:00] it's 69,000 $20 a little different
[23:05] but it actually the tax levies actually
[23:07] the proposed tax rate actually stays the
[23:09] same value might go up it might go down
[23:13] uh there's a letter from um our uh
[23:16] assessor who points out that uh uh that
[23:20] it usually does move up a little bit but
[23:22] that that change will only add to like
[23:24] uh cent. So it might our tax rate might
[23:27] go down to 1297 or 1296 you know but uh
[23:31] that's something like she said she
[23:32] cannot predict because of transfer of
[23:35] property and removal exemptions as we go
[23:37] along in the letter. So that that's how
[23:40] we came up with the the amount of
[23:42] 631,629,000
[23:44] [Music]
[23:45] for uh real property taxes um and a tax
[23:50] rate of $12.99 which is the same as of
[23:54] last year. I also gave you a list of uh
[23:56] of on that second page of all the tax
[23:59] rates as we pulled just to give an idea
[24:02] how it would been uh moving on that.
[24:06] Um
[24:07] uh the next big item was sales and news
[24:10] tax. We worked with the uh connecting
[24:13] county. We're looking at a sales tax
[24:16] receivable of $16 million in 203. Um,
[24:20] and we're hoping uh that
[24:23] comes to uh fruition. Uh, let let me ask
[24:26] one one of the big things I'm just going
[24:28] to go for it right now is is uh uh the
[24:31] trash charges.
[24:33] And again, I'll pass out uh some
[24:36] documents trash charges that uh the
[24:39] first page is what it was at point as it
[24:41] is right now without the change. Uh
[24:50] Thanks. Sorry.
[24:57] [Music]
[25:06] Okay. So, so we're looking at this is if
[25:08] we kept uh if we kept the uh the rates
[25:11] the same, we're looking at a total of
[25:13] 5.2 million. Uh our uh our uh estimate
[25:17] is that we wish to increase it by $1 a
[25:21] week to 5 uh $2 uh $1 a week to $52 more
[25:26] a week. But not only on the uh uh single
[25:30] families but also on the exempt parcels
[25:32] to go from 137 to 189 will give us an
[25:35] increase uh to 6.3 million a $1.1
[25:38] million uh increase. On the third page
[25:42] I'm just trying to show the third page
[25:45] shows the the budget of 22 and the the
[25:48] new request and what it costs us uh per
[25:50] year to run the waste division. As you
[25:53] can see, we have a shortfall of 413,000.
[25:56] And that doesn't include the indirect
[25:58] costs like general liability insurance,
[26:00] doesn't include a fuel for trucks, uh
[26:03] electrical, heat, and repairs. Okay.
[26:06] And uh the next page, one of the more
[26:10] reasons why it went up was uh uh we had
[26:14] them uh for the waste employment raises.
[26:16] Uh in 2020 uh uh they were getting paid
[26:19] $17.990 and as of 2023 they'll be
[26:22] getting paid 2332
[26:24] which uh is a $542
[26:27] uh uh uh increase which is a 30%
[26:31] increase in employment. These guys are
[26:33] worth every penny. I'm not saying, but
[26:35] I'm just saying this is why we need to
[26:37] increase our rates. It's because uh not only not only as cost more to, you
[26:43] know, have these guys working, but also
[26:45] cost more for the fuel is going to
[26:46] double up, all this other stuff. We're
[26:48] asking a simple uh dollar a week more. I
[26:52] spoke to my brother Joey. He has a house
[26:54] in Glennville. Uh he has one container
[26:57] and one recycle container. He's a one
[27:00] family house, two people in his house.
[27:02] It pays $47 a month comes to like $500
[27:05] and something dollars a year for a
[27:06] single family. What with our new rate
[27:09] are we're asking for a single family is
[27:11] 301. So you still a slow deal for the
[27:14] city of connecting. So I just want to
[27:16] put you in mind that you know
[27:18] everything's increasing. Uh the recycle
[27:20] fees they're going from 125,000 last
[27:23] year to 175,000 this year. Uh our elots
[27:28] you know where for our TVs and stuff
[27:29] like that they they won't even contract
[27:32] with us anymore because
[27:35] their their weight is so much higher.
[27:36] They're like, "Hey, if you got to either
[27:38] pay this or not, you know, so we can't
[27:40] even go out and contract with them
[27:41] because it changes." So that that is our
[27:44] uh uh reasoning of increasing uh the
[27:48] waste
[27:49] uh department
[27:51] to 6.3 million. Uh what else
[27:55] before you go?
[27:56] Yeah. Um McCarthy, when you present your
[27:59] budget, u you had mentioned that um the
[28:01] waste collection does not factor in
[28:03] sight collection revenue.
[28:06] Uh
[28:08] the summary
[28:10] the budget
[28:11] the whole budget has it that summary was
[28:14] done not include the revenue that we
[28:17] derived from the village of Scotia. Does
[28:19] this include
[28:20] that's a contractual thing. I mean we
[28:22] have it now. I think we have it for two
[28:23] more years or one more year,
[28:25] but who knows if they're going to
[28:27] continue that,
[28:28] but that is not in here.
[28:29] That is not part of the uh
[28:31] Okay. Science. Yeah. Uh and that is that
[28:34] is a 500 uh 40ome,000.
[28:38] So uh really for us it would just break
[28:41] us even because we're already without it
[28:43] we're 413,000 a year in the hole. Add
[28:46] another 540. But like I said, they
[28:48] include insurance, they include fuel,
[28:49] didn't include maintenance. So 540,000
[28:52] per year. We have two more years
[28:54] at this contract.
[28:55] Yeah. In fact, they called me today. I
[28:58] called them today to make sure where
[28:59] they're at.
[29:03] 586.
[29:04] Go ahead.
[29:05] I'm just a little confused on that one.
[29:06] So are we I just want to clarify again.
[29:08] So that 540,000 or whatever
[29:11] 586. It's not that factored. It's not
[29:14] factored in that page,
[29:16] but it is in the budget.
[29:18] Yeah. That's what I wanted to make sure.
[29:19] But I'm saying that Since that's
[29:21] contractual, that can leave us at any
[29:23] dime.
[29:25] And we can't raise that rate because the
[29:27] contract lasts for two more years. That
[29:28] was one.
[29:29] Yeah, our our rate does increase.
[29:32] It increase year,
[29:36] but like I said, it might be that they
[29:37] might not
[29:40] renew it. So, I I didn't
[29:42] Well, you don't want to say that.
[29:44] Yeah. Well, I'm just saying I'm just I'm
[29:46] just saying I'm conservative doing this.
[29:49] Yeah. We wanted to re they have gone out
[29:52] and looked at other options and the city
[29:54] of Skenki is the most cost effective for
[29:56] the bill of Scotia shows that we run a
[29:59] very efficient operation and we look at
[30:04] that partnership as an example of uh
[30:07] good relationship with other
[30:08] communities. Our ability to deliver
[30:10] services at a cost effective price
[30:13] point.
[30:16] Um someone's mentioned earlier
[30:19] missionary
[30:21] is working with someone. So
[30:24] here we have a single person senior with
[30:27] one can and then thousands of packages
[30:30] you know trash in front of another
[30:32] house. Is there a way to
[30:35] over time
[30:36] but that one single person in one house
[30:38] for trash is only pay9 a year.
[30:41] Okay.
[30:43] is with increase.
[30:45] No, no, no. Not I I don't have a problem
[30:47] with the increase. I have a problem with
[30:49] people putting out, you know, a thousand
[30:51] bags of track.
[30:52] And that's what we're looking at.
[30:54] [Music]
[30:56] Okay.
[30:57] Cost effective manner that we can manage
[31:00] and enforce and
[31:03] put in.
[31:03] That's my concern.
[31:07] I'm not sure we're going to have a
[31:08] formal recommendation by the time the
[31:10] council adopts a budget. It would just
[31:12] be an ongoing process. And again, as the
[31:15] council, it's closer to November 1st. If
[31:18] there's things that we can modify in
[31:20] some way,
[31:22] uh want to do it. It for basic homeowner
[31:26] probably, it's a very good deal when you
[31:28] compare it to what you pay in a suburban
[31:30] location.
[31:32] Having said that, there's still
[31:34] inequities within the system because
[31:36] it's so good. People take advantage of
[31:38] it where they put out huge amounts of
[31:41] material and we pick it up and
[31:44] if it's that once in a-lifetime event,
[31:49] my position would be more tolerant of
[31:51] it, but there's some people who do it on
[31:52] a more frequent basis. And it's how do
[31:56] we adjust our rate structure, our
[31:59] ability to document and field bill and
[32:02] appropriately allocate those costs to
[32:04] those higher yield
[32:07] increased revenue
[32:08] properties of
[32:10] again the slang term that the uh cruise
[32:14] us is a jackpot house and
[32:17] the casino views jackpots in another way
[32:20] more positive
[32:23] cruise here. It's a negative.
[32:25] And just for clarification, it's Mr.
[32:27] Alhorn that's working that out.
[32:28] Oh, okay. I thought I heard your name.
[32:30] You didn't, but he's doing that work.
[32:32] Yeah. And um I I know in Roderdam, I
[32:34] mean, if you have a couch, you call, you
[32:36] schedule the couch and they add that on
[32:38] to your bill, you know, $30 to take the
[32:40] couch away and you drive down Rendle
[32:44] where I live. You know, there's 14
[32:45] couches on the street every week. So,
[32:47] yeah, it's a lot of work.
[32:52] Let's back go back to page one. Um under
[32:55] street crimes task force come from
[33:00] you have 520 here versus last year.
[33:03] Yes. Uh as of uh just recently I think
[33:06] they cut two officers down on the street
[33:09] uh county street crime task force.
[33:12] We
[33:14] go ahead please. Uh, so we lo we for a
[33:19] couple months we gave them
[33:22] of the analyst. Yes, we
[33:24] No, you're talking about the street
[33:26] task force.
[33:26] The task force with the revenue they we
[33:30] were they were paying us for an analyst
[33:31] and we were giving them analyst. They
[33:33] decided to hire their own analyst. So
[33:34] they took that money out.
[33:37] That's the redemption.
[33:38] So that's one u
[33:40] one
[33:41] and you'll see that when we go into the
[33:43] police department how the increase from
[33:45] 16,000 to 96,000.
[33:50] That was the question.
[33:51] And the next question is, did we not
[33:52] receive some actual from the school this
[33:54] year?
[33:55] Excuse me.
[33:56] Did we not receive some actual
[33:58] from the school district? This year
[34:01] from the school district.
[34:02] We receive money from the school
[34:04] district.
[34:04] Yeah. 2022.
[34:06] No, go ahead.
[34:07] It probably wouldn't be until the end of
[34:09] this quarter.
[34:09] Oh, yeah. Just started charging.
[34:12] Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, you
[34:14] have zero here. We get an amendment.
[34:17] Yeah, that's the
[34:18] Should we adjust that
[34:19] 1520? I have it for 225. It's 50,000.
[34:23] It's going to be for 34 plus 25,000 plus
[34:26] 34.
[34:27] So 2022, should we have a number in
[34:30] there?
[34:32] What are we expecting?
[34:33] Shouldn't that number be 300,000?
[34:36] No, because because we're because the
[34:38] first squad is in 2022.
[34:42] I I don't know about the first squad. I
[34:44] don't know if that's happening. Has it
[34:47] happened?
[34:48] We have a sergeant there now. I think
[34:52] July 1st, but they are at school now.
[34:54] Okay, good.
[34:58] So, should we account for that money
[35:00] under the 2022 adopted budget?
[35:03] We will.
[35:07] When we did the adopted budget, it was
[35:09] not part of this.
[35:10] It was 2022 or 202.
[35:13] So, we're looking at So, we did an amendment to receive that
[35:16] money.
[35:18] But but we're looking because because
[35:19] this is based on what we adopted in 22.
[35:22] We did adopt it in 22,
[35:24] you know. So, we did it in 23. We assume
[35:27] to receive the first four two actually.
[35:31] Understanding. But since we did an
[35:33] amendment to the 2022 budget, we should
[35:35] have actually
[35:37] had done this before you.
[35:38] Okay.
[35:39] So I would like if you can do that.
[35:42] Okay.
[35:43] So that would be that would be an ask.
[35:45] How much will that be? Do we think for
[35:46] those two quarters?
[35:51] 75.
[35:55] Okay. We have to read all those columns
[35:57] there. John, I'm just kidding.
[36:00] I don't understand. You know that
[36:02] effect?
[36:03] No, it's not. I think he's just trying
[36:05] to be show the
[36:06] I just want to show that we actually
[36:08] received or get it last. That's not
[36:11] affected. I'll just show it on paper.
[36:14] Go ahead, please.
[36:15] Okay. What else you want to look at?
[36:20] [Music]
[36:24] Okay. Someone asked a question about
[36:27] hazmat.
[36:29] I don't know who
[36:34] we incorporated in a base number. So if
[36:36] that carries an additional one,
[36:40] Miss Michael, can you please u make a
[36:42] copy of our sales tax agreement and
[36:45] please pass it on to the new council
[36:48] members?
[36:50] Mr. To answer your question
[36:52] agreement that is inapproporate into
[36:56] Okay.
[37:00] Uh, one of the things I have that I know
[37:02] you're all interested is how we came up
[37:04] with 5.8 million in AR for 2023. And so
[37:09] I put out a sheet which actually
[37:13] for what we did in 22 and 23 the front
[37:16] and back.
[37:18] Thank you.
[37:31] I got it.
[37:32] I got one.
[37:35] Oh, I don't I don't have one. I'm sorry.
[37:40] Do you need another one?
[37:42] Here.
[37:42] Oh, here we go.
[37:44] Thank you. There's a line for all that
[37:48] we have in the budget.
[37:53] Actually, you can trace right back to
[37:55] most
[38:27] You got any questions?
[38:28] Any question on this? Go ahead, please.
[38:30] Well, that was my overarching number one
[38:33] question that really didn't need to ask
[38:36] any other questions, but and I see the
[38:38] answer is that um so my question was um
[38:42] after the 5.8 million goes away um which
[38:46] is obviously filling many many
[38:49] items here on this sheet that you just
[38:51] gave us, what are we going to do? So the
[38:53] answer is that we're going to get our
[38:55] revenues back on track. Um, so I just
[38:58] want to hear a little bit more about
[38:59] that in terms of how we're going to get
[39:01] 5.8 million last years. A lot of our
[39:04] revenues have really decreased or
[39:08] actually just stopped and some are just
[39:11] getting slow. Uh, you know, a lot of our
[39:13] like our parking just starting to come
[39:15] back now in 2022. We now ride on box
[39:18] shows. So now we're starting to get our
[39:19] parking revenues, you know, our fines
[39:22] and stuff from the police department. uh
[39:24] code enforcement uh uh you know that
[39:26] they've been real slow because all the
[39:29] problems for the foreclosure revenues uh
[39:32] from foreclosures
[39:34] uh all those revenues we feel that are
[39:36] going to start coming back in and we're
[39:39] hopefully that's going to happen we'll
[39:41] get back on track. Do we have a rough
[39:44] number as to like when you're saying
[39:45] that they're well um that that they have
[39:49] slowed or stopped? Do we have like
[39:50] estimate number around like to what to
[39:52] what tune that is and is it you know
[39:54] comparable to this number in front of
[39:56] us? I believe uh for
[39:58] Yeah, I don't respect that.
[40:00] For 2022, we figured uh you know,
[40:02] revenues were down about 3 million
[40:05] for uh 2020 2022. Uh for 2023, we think
[40:11] it's it's start coming back and and
[40:13] we're we're hoping they'll make it up
[40:15] for that. uh we you know we're we're
[40:17] trying to uh use this ARC money to the
[40:20] advantage of us so that uh uh you know
[40:23] we can uh finish the work that we're
[40:25] trying to do uh get people into place
[40:28] for work and use it to go forward uh as we show the jobs
[40:34] provide more services you know code
[40:35] enforcement now we're really building
[40:37] our code enforcement up all our
[40:39] different things so we can go out there
[40:41] and get more revenues you know what do
[40:44] you do if you can't make
[40:46] You know, you know, you got to realize
[40:48] too in in America, you know, this we're
[40:50] having a recession. We're having uh
[40:52] price increases. We're having uh uh what
[40:55] do you call inflation? Everything's
[40:57] going up. You know, we're we're like a
[40:59] business here. You know, we hire we have
[41:01] 600 almost 700 employees. You know, we
[41:04] got to think about what do we do? You
[41:05] know, we might have to raise prices as
[41:07] we say or you know, different lines
[41:11] going forward.
[41:13] revenues for the city. It's really
[41:15] dependent on housing.
[41:17] We haven't done the foreclosures
[41:20] for almost two years now. We're going to
[41:23] bring those online. Again, I had asked
[41:26] for some ARPA money. The council hasn't
[41:28] acted on that yet to be able to convert
[41:31] some of that distressed housing into
[41:33] affordable housing, create home
[41:36] ownership opportunities within the city.
[41:39] But that housing component where we do
[41:43] it successfully, you see reduce need for
[41:48] code enforcement, police, other services
[41:51] and you create real value in the
[41:53] neighborhoods and that has to be a
[41:57] collective engagement that we're all in
[41:59] is promoting the housing opportunities.
[42:02] And as you look at that, you know,
[42:04] skimmed over the first line is our
[42:06] uncollectibles in property tax. The
[42:08] interesting thing states can actually
[42:10] during ARPA, our property tax revenue
[42:16] stayed fairly consistent. In fact,
[42:18] increased slightly basically every
[42:21] quarter. The percentage of money that we
[42:24] were collecting. there's still a
[42:28] group of individuals out there, property
[42:30] owners out there who do not pay their
[42:32] taxes. That drives up our overall costs.
[42:37] And again, when you look at where we're
[42:39] the tax foreclosing unit, other
[42:41] municipalities in the area have the
[42:43] county as the tax foreclosing unit.
[42:48] We're responsible for it. And that means
[42:51] that we have to when they don't pay the
[42:53] taxes, we have to collect it. Other
[42:57] municipalities,
[42:59] the county does it and holds the
[43:01] municipality harmless. So when they
[43:03] adopt their budget, they put a dollar
[43:05] amount in there and the county will make
[43:07] that number whole. City of Albany has
[43:11] that or the county makes it whole. The
[43:13] towns in Skenctity County are held
[43:16] harmless by the county. The city
[43:20] stands alone and we have to do the
[43:23] collection and then we because we're the
[43:26] foreclosing unit, we hold the school
[43:27] district
[43:29] harmless and we have to make up that uh
[43:34] gap in school taxes. uh and it's how do
[43:38] we chip away at that on an ongoing basis
[43:42] to uh get some of the problem people out
[43:46] who are it's long-term you look at some
[43:49] of the properties they just don't pay
[43:51] the taxes on it a lot of times they
[43:53] shouldn't be property owners to begin
[43:54] with but that is a factor that if
[43:58] everybody paid their taxes and came in
[44:02] budgets going forward are a lot easier a
[44:05] lot simpler and uh
[44:08] should be across the board tax cuts.
[44:16] Any questions? Just back up a little.
[44:18] The cannabis excise tax,
[44:20] right? That's from the state.
[44:22] Oh, that
[44:25] you come up with that number.
[44:26] From the state.
[44:27] If that's all they can
[44:28] give us. Well, well, they says uh uh you
[44:32] know they're going to start doing stores
[44:33] early in 2023.
[44:36] I I you know, I asked them and they're
[44:39] very unsure. That's an authority or
[44:41] whatever associated over there. They're
[44:43] pretty much they don't have they don't
[44:45] have a lot of things in place
[44:47] and uh they gave me they gave me that
[44:49] estimate for the first year.
[44:50] Where is that?
[44:51] The last page page five.
[44:53] Yeah. To the top.
[44:54] Oh, I see it.
[44:57] Once once that gets up and
[44:59] running, we're hoping to make hundreds
[45:01] of thousands.
[45:02] That's what I wanted to see.
[45:03] That's my question, right?
[45:05] I wanted to put something in because I
[45:07] knew we're going to get something. If if
[45:08] we get surprised and we sell a lot,
[45:10] we'll get some number. I don't know what
[45:11] it is.
[45:12] That's the number.
[45:12] We got to get a year under our belt to
[45:14] really have good predictions.
[45:16] It's better conservative estimate.
[45:18] Yeah.
[45:20] Mor, I do have a question. Go ahead,
[45:22] please.
[45:22] So, I just wanted a little bit more
[45:24] clarification on the revenue. Um, you
[45:26] said, you know, you kind of gave an over
[45:27] There are other specifics of Could you
[45:29] show us specifically where we had that
[45:31] loss in revenue over the next I mean not
[45:33] right at this moment so we have
[45:35] something to compare this other number
[45:37] with
[45:38] that we're projecting that we're going
[45:40] to be able to recover in the next
[45:42] like interest like for instance interest
[45:43] on penalties you we're looking like
[45:45] $100,000 loss. Uh we're looking at
[45:49] uh franchise fees u we're looking at
[45:52] probably
[45:54] you know we're estimating $50,000 loss.
[45:57] Uh
[45:59] big one.
[46:00] Are you looking at your actuals or are
[46:02] you looking at
[46:02] I'm looking at actuals compared to how
[46:05] we're going.
[46:06] So yeah. Uh you know we're we're
[46:09] estimating now for instance uh if you
[46:11] looked at the downtown parking in 2020
[46:14] we had 93,000.
[46:16] We're looking at 240,000 for 2023. I
[46:19] mean that's we're picking up revenues
[46:22] and I said that's how hopefully our
[46:23] revenues are going to start coming back
[46:25] again.
[46:27] Um, our towing search charge. We're
[46:30] finally making money on towing. Thank
[46:32] God. Uh,
[46:35] we're looking at raising like cash uh
[46:41] 150. We're
[46:44] we went from in 2021 uh like plumbing of
[46:49] licensing and electrical from like 190
[46:52] 180,000 down to 150. And now we're we're
[46:55] actually starting to bring those back to
[46:57] 175. You know, now we're starting to
[47:00] raise them, but we're saying there was a loss and we're hoping in
[47:03] 2023 we start the process of increasing
[47:06] those revenues.
[47:09] Mr.
[47:10] So when you do that um when you when you
[47:13] do give us this more specifics that Miss
[47:15] Porterfield just it would be interesting
[47:17] um and I'm sure I probably have it at
[47:19] home but to also include the 2019 actual
[47:23] revenue because that would be precoid.
[47:25] So if we're projecting that, you know,
[47:28] we're going to get back to a certain
[47:30] level of revenue, it might be
[47:31] interesting to see what was the revenue
[47:33] in 2019 because looking at 2021, well
[47:37] that's that's during co so we can't
[47:39] really make that comparison just looking
[47:42] at this because you know I I'm totally I
[47:45] want to say that I'm totally in favor of
[47:48] using the ARPA funding
[47:50] for the purposes as outlined on these on
[47:55] the sheet, but I just am concerned
[47:57] especially when it comes to the staffing
[47:58] issues. Um, you know, what happens to to
[48:02] folks if if we don't raise that revenue
[48:05] because now we're going to be hiring
[48:06] people using ARPA. Um, and you know,
[48:11] so most most of the positions uh that
[48:13] were using ARPA for positions uh that
[48:16] were never filled uh because of 19.
[48:20] Sure. They were there.
[48:21] was those are positions that were
[48:23] there.
[48:23] Yep. and now we're trying to fill them
[48:25] again, you know.
[48:27] So,
[48:27] I'm not worried about that. The other
[48:28] portion is is is the, you know, the
[48:31] stuff for uh, you know, youth, the the
[48:34] summer employment, other stuff like that
[48:35] is is more of a concern, but
[48:39] that all that all work out with the
[48:41] increase, I hope.
[48:43] Yeah.
[48:44] So, let me recap. So we're asking for an
[48:46] actual revenue breakdown from 2019
[48:48] obviously to
[48:50] from 2019 to 2022 up to date.
[48:54] I can I and I'll do it. I can do it
[48:56] tomorrow. I'll send it off. I'm going to
[48:58] send it through email.
[49:00] Thank you.
[49:02] Any other question?
[49:04] Yeah, I just want to know what is the
[49:05] lead hazard reduction grant age 218?
[49:08] Oh, we we uh uh our lead grant that we
[49:12] have through the federal government is
[49:14] we're actually sponsor. Uh we go out and
[49:16] find homes that are have children that
[49:20] have in their homes. We go out, we test
[49:22] and and when when they are eligible, uh
[49:25] we actually have a grant to go in and we
[49:27] do take all the lead out of the housing.
[49:29] Who actually does that work?
[49:30] Uh right,
[49:33] we we're we work with the county. County
[49:35] does the testing.
[49:37] We do we do all the paperwork for the
[49:39] rehab and the inspections and stuff like
[49:42] that. So we don't need to we don't have
[49:44] to share anything just
[49:45] No
[49:47] money.
[49:48] Okay.
[49:49] And that that's a different grant than
[49:52] the the piping. Yes. Right.
[49:54] Absolutely. For housing for children for
[49:57] children. Children.
[50:01] Go ahead.
[50:02] So this is so small but I just want to
[50:03] go on record about the tennis fees
[50:05] again.
[50:06] Yeah.
[50:06] Because I really I just feel like we're
[50:10] losing revenue there. that that that
[50:12] there's a you know, we're not getting
[50:13] revenue from that we should be getting
[50:16] um from the tennis. So, I know it's a
[50:19] really small amount of money that's in
[50:20] the budget, but I'd like to see us be
[50:22] able to
[50:24] I just put it in there just to always
[50:25] remind us about that. I I believe that
[50:28] uh when we do get a a director of parks,
[50:31] I think that
[50:33] Okay, just want to go on record.
[50:35] Got to get those tennis tennis dollars
[50:37] for
[50:39] two is there. Come on.
[50:42] Um, go ahead.
[50:44] One final question on A589B,
[50:46] the property management fee.
[50:48] Uh, 159. Yeah, property management fee.
[50:51] Uh, that is uh the fee that what happens
[50:55] is uh uh when our code enforcement are
[50:58] nuisance inspectors to a home and then
[51:01] we have to cut the grass. We have to uh
[51:04] you know take things out, clean out the
[51:06] properties, we charge the owners. This
[51:08] is one of the revenues as you see the
[51:10] past few years has been real low
[51:12] and that's because of the co now we're
[51:13] actually going to start taking that up
[51:15] again. That's why you know uh we're
[51:18] going to go we have it up to 100,000 for
[51:20] this year
[51:23] we're actually going to be able to go
[51:24] out there and do more
[51:26] crews out there.
[51:30] I actually have one more question.
[51:31] Go ahead.
[51:32] So, um, in terms of it's in the police
[51:36] department when there's asset
[51:37] forfeitures, does that show does that
[51:39] show anywhere in our budget for income?
[51:41] Asset forfeitures,
[51:42] right?
[51:43] Only if you sell anything, but
[51:46] yeah, please.
[51:47] No, this is your call. It has to be
[51:50] independent financial
[51:53] checking account. There's a lot of
[51:55] guidelines we can share with you, but
[51:57] it's um comes in be spent on certain items. You can't just use it for
[52:02] salaries being used against the plan. In
[52:04] other words, the bond in the face
[52:06] basically to keep it like a separate
[52:08] check. Unfortunately, it's actually
[52:10] pretty low right now just because the
[52:12] way government's acting federal with the
[52:15] seizure money is really it takes years
[52:17] for us to get anything. They just did
[52:19] that a few years ago and it really kind
[52:20] of clogged the wheel. Um, so we still
[52:23] had the account we probably have 10 15
[52:25] $20,000 in right now.
[52:27] Less than 20.
[52:28] So, so it's just a that's
[52:30] why I describe it. It's a check checking
[52:32] account within um finance.
[52:35] Okay. So, it doesn't check.
[52:37] It's not a general fund or anything
[52:39] because you can't use it.
[52:40] Yeah. You can't put into attaching
[52:41] general funds and it's not you can't use
[52:44] it for
[52:47] Thank you.
[52:49] Helps me get my haircut and stuff.
[52:54] No big deal.
[52:56] Go ahead, please. So I had a question
[52:57] and a comment and thank you for the
[52:59] background provider. Um
[53:03] so referring to the refuse and trash
[53:05] charges I just wanted to
[53:07] throw it out there. I think whenever we
[53:09] raise fees regardless of how much I
[53:11] think the principle needs to be
[53:13] addressed of if we're not increasing or
[53:15] improving quality I would like to make
[53:18] sure that the city is taking accurate
[53:19] steps to ensure we're holding the
[53:20] appropriate parties accountable. speaks
[53:22] to the instances that in this tutorial
[53:24] race, I would like to make sure that the
[53:27] individuals that are bearing the cost of
[53:29] this aren't being taken advantage of by
[53:31] people that are throwing out more trash
[53:34] occasionally. Um, I know it's definitely
[53:36] not a an easy solution. Um, but I think
[53:39] it's important for us to make sure that
[53:40] we we address the underlying issue. And
[53:44] then a question was for the downtown Y
[53:47] parking meters, the A1741A.
[53:51] Uh I've heard more times than not that
[53:54] the uh technical devices that we use
[53:57] uh are an
[54:00] issue at times for people that don't
[54:03] have cell phones or iPads or what have
[54:05] you. Has that been identified as a a
[54:08] factor inhibiting potential revenue in
[54:11] this area?
[54:11] Mr. Yes. So it has been uh very
[54:15] troubling to get them going. Uh recently
[54:18] with we were able to upgrade I think 17
[54:21] of the kiosks they needed newly the
[54:24] outside are the same but all the new
[54:26] guts are in there large solar panels to
[54:30] control them and as of yesterday all but
[54:33] one are now working. Um there's one that
[54:35] the part
[54:38] is coming in. So yes that has been an
[54:40] ongoing problem. We've been working with
[54:42] a vendor for getting those corrected and
[54:47] There's one as of today that is still
[54:49] done. All the other kiosks should be up
[54:52] and going. It's been very long going
[54:54] process. We'll get parts and that
[54:57] reprogram back and forth back and forth
[55:00] that problem.
[55:02] And the thing with the vendor too is he
[55:04] had the same problem as everybody finds
[55:07] to come out. You know, we had one guy
[55:08] who was doing the whole east coast.
[55:11] Yes. One guy was out. He won't be back
[55:14] here for several months. He was flying
[55:15] west somewhere and said basically we're
[55:17] not coming back.
[55:20] We'll walk you through stuff. One of our
[55:22] parking guys stepped up and uh learned
[55:24] the system and started working on it. Um
[55:27] and he did a great job and now it's
[55:29] that was
[55:32] they are working.
[55:35] They'll be giving him ideas.
[55:38] Go ahead please.
[55:38] So in terms of the park is it now that
[55:41] you have to have you have to like have a
[55:43] ad or something? Can you use money
[55:44] anymore? How's that? How can you use
[55:46] cash anymore?
[55:47] So use money the kiosk at the kiosk
[55:49] working. You can actually use credit
[55:50] card or cash and then or you can use the
[55:54] passport app. So you can do either way.
[55:57] For a while the kiosks weren't working.
[55:59] And so use the app or
[56:07] we are on it monitoring it to make sure
[56:09] that this is not happening. from a
[56:11] revenue standpoint someone mentioned
[56:13] 2019 I think if you go back you'll see
[56:15] an increase downtown was really
[56:17] progressively getting more and more
[56:18] revenue so in 2020 the world stopped
[56:23] back so increase you know we increased
[56:25] our revenue lines but we really think
[56:27] it's a low estimate because more and
[56:29] more people come downtown
[56:33] and that's an actual in 2021 so that's
[56:36] because we're only increasing it $4,000
[56:38] or something less than for 2021
[56:40] conservative.
[56:41] Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. So, I I agree.
[56:48] I I just have a comment on the abundant
[56:52] vacant properties property uh fees. This
[56:55] can be a good thing and a bad thing that
[56:57] we have less vacant properties or we
[57:01] reinforcement.
[57:02] Yeah. We we uh we actually reduced
[57:05] abandoned houses by there was almost
[57:08] 100, right? And uh and right now again
[57:14] because because that's happening, we're
[57:16] working with Kona Enforcement now.
[57:17] They're going reo redeveloping their
[57:20] whole task force to go through and you
[57:22] know re redo that again. So uh yes,
[57:25] we're very happy of the outcome. Of
[57:27] course, you see that you know the price
[57:28] of homes have uh have increased and so
[57:31] you know less and less people are
[57:33] walking away you know.
[57:34] No, I did want to mention it.
[57:36] Yeah.
[57:38] Any other question on revenue?
[57:41] Go ahead.
[57:42] Uh, last question on homes in this
[57:44] period. Uh, since we kind of spoke about
[57:46] homes, the sale of homes, the homeless
[57:48] program, uh, I see that increasing from
[57:52] 2022 to 2023. So, I need to make sure
[57:55] that the mayor gets his kudos for that
[57:56] program. Is there anyone can get a
[57:58] breakdown of how many houses that
[58:00] actually or what that number is? Uh
[58:05] the is that
[58:06] you call that the projected revenue
[58:08] or
[58:08] the houses that we have
[58:11] 2020 2021 2022. Can you get a breakdown
[58:14] of what that looked like?
[58:16] Yeah.
[58:17] The the historical one that we projected
[58:21] one is because we haven't done the
[58:23] foreclosures. There's some
[58:27] wiggle room still in terms of the actual
[58:30] ones we're going to take in, but
[58:33] believe that they will be in a better
[58:35] condition than what we've been doing
[58:36] historically and uh
[58:40] going to put pressure across the board
[58:42] because we're going to take in a a
[58:44] bigger chunk of property. So, it's the
[58:47] law department code enforcement be able
[58:49] to turn them around, market them, and uh
[58:53] get them back to, you know, ideally
[58:58] homeowners in them, but some of them,
[58:59] you know, will be commercial or
[59:02] rental units, but yeah, we can give you
[59:05] the historical stuff and then the uh
[59:09] ongoing one. You'll know it, you know,
[59:11] as soon as we know it with the
[59:14] foreclosures.
[59:16] s on the paper today. Uh there was our
[59:19] foreclosure notice in the newspaper
[59:21] today.
[59:21] Yeah.
[59:22] Over 400 properties.
[59:24] So
[59:26] we haven't foreclosed in since the co
[59:28] 2020. So we're going back to 2018. So
[59:32] you know, uh sorry to say a lot of the
[59:36] houses available for sale.
[59:42] Any
[59:46] other question?
[59:49] We're good.
[59:52] All right,
[59:54] the next one will move into council. Who
[59:57] want to take this
[1:00:00] city so hard?
[1:00:02] City council has not changed.
[1:00:05] Who's Who's going to ask for a raise?
[1:00:08] That was your time.
[1:00:15] All right, let's keep moving.
[1:00:23] Um,
[1:00:25] as soon as page, we can do the mayor's
[1:00:27] office.
[1:00:28] [Music]
[1:00:32] Page one.
[1:00:35] Was he on the list?
[1:00:36] Yes.
[1:00:37] Yeah.
[1:00:38] Yes.
[1:00:40] Okay, let me see the mayor's office
[1:00:42] here. Uh the mayor's office, his budgets
[1:00:45] increased by 11,5858
[1:00:48] at 3.23%
[1:00:50] and that's mostly increases mostly due
[1:00:53] raises on his back.
[1:01:09] Go ahead, please.
[1:01:11] Is that the physician innovation and
[1:01:13] performance? Is that the one you had a
[1:01:15] question on?
[1:01:16] Yeah, I just was um wondering about
[1:01:17] that.
[1:01:18] I have the job description as here. You
[1:01:21] can have it and then if anybody else
[1:01:23] wanted to see it since you had a
[1:01:25] question
[1:01:27] over the
[1:01:29] It is a data analysis. I I wasn't sure.
[1:01:32] So, this is is sort of data analysis.
[1:01:34] It's a major component. Yeah.
[1:01:46] I also had a question.
[1:01:48] Oh, no.
[1:01:48] Okay. Anybody else want to see this? How
[1:01:50] long was the P position vacant before we
[1:01:53] just filled it?
[1:01:54] Uh, close to a year.
[1:02:00] I would say a year. So um
[1:02:05] so I was curious about the salary
[1:02:07] increase since there was no one there
[1:02:09] right so uh when
[1:02:13] last she left at 50 something
[1:02:15] uh the new person started position at 60
[1:02:19] uh and manager position with raises are
[1:02:22] 4% went up to 62 400
[1:02:26] so in the nine months there was an
[1:02:27] increase you hired new personality
[1:02:29] we hired 60,000 correct
[1:02:32] And like similar question for the um
[1:02:35] administrative assistant to the mayor is
[1:02:37] or also a vacant position right now.
[1:02:39] is correct.
[1:02:41] So there's also an increase. So we're
[1:02:42] anticipating hiring.
[1:02:43] Yeah. Because when we when we put the
[1:02:45] budget together, she was not do we
[1:02:47] anticipate her?
[1:02:48] Oh,
[1:02:49] we anticipate her meeting.
[1:02:51] So we anticipate hiring at this at this
[1:02:53] rate then?
[1:02:54] Probably at
[1:02:56] whatever rate the mayor wants.
[1:02:59] Okay.
[1:03:07] Just turn to the next page and just the
[1:03:09] top there.
[1:03:14] Next page. Page two.
[1:03:28] Mayor, you just want to give us a brief
[1:03:30] on this $25,000
[1:03:34] and the uh council had put that in there
[1:03:37] last year to give me some flexibility
[1:03:40] for
[1:03:42] hiring people because some of the pay
[1:03:44] scales
[1:03:46] uh were on the low side.
[1:03:49] uh I've approached it with a position is
[1:03:53] vacant
[1:03:55] uh after the first of the year and I
[1:03:57] fill it and I have to
[1:04:00] offer more money than what is there. I
[1:04:03] can still do it within the existing line
[1:04:05] item because we built up a little bit of
[1:04:07] surplus. I don't think we used any of
[1:04:10] that this year other than
[1:04:12] we tried to but they wanted
[1:04:15] uh we also was uh thought we charged a
[1:04:19] little bit for advertising out of that
[1:04:21] for LinkedIn or one of the uh
[1:04:24] that might still be in the pipe. It
[1:04:25] might be some non charge out of that but
[1:04:28] I'm looking to the council's
[1:04:30] consideration to leave that in place for
[1:04:32] one more year so we can stabilize the
[1:04:34] workforce and uh
[1:04:39] be able to hire the position across the
[1:04:41] board.
[1:04:43] No, I just wanted you to mention it for
[1:04:45] the new council members to get an
[1:04:47] understanding of why we put that in last
[1:04:48] year to give you that push.
[1:04:52] Any question? Go ahead, please.
[1:04:53] So, an example of how you would use that
[1:04:55] line u includes like just going higher
[1:04:59] on the face. Is there any other
[1:05:01] that is what it's there for. But what
[1:05:05] looked at is somebody's at uh salaries
[1:05:09] at $52,000.
[1:05:13] The position is open for the first three
[1:05:16] weeks of January.
[1:05:19] I could offer 55,000 and still be within
[1:05:23] that budget so that I would not have to
[1:05:26] come back to this line. And again, I try
[1:05:30] and be as conservative as I can with uh
[1:05:33] hiring and spending money.
[1:05:37] Sometimes that helps me, but sometimes
[1:05:39] it doesn't build much morale.
[1:05:44] Thank you.
[1:05:46] So, I would think now um with the labor
[1:05:48] market the way it is that, you know, I
[1:05:50] support leaving that there because it
[1:05:52] seems like we're going to need to be be
[1:05:54] a little more competitive than what we
[1:05:56] been able to be. Um, so could you use
[1:05:59] that as also like um like a I don't know
[1:06:03] I guess not right term for that but
[1:06:05] maybe like a a bonus for people signing
[1:06:08] on to or accepting a position or I I had
[1:06:12] thought about that but if not had the
[1:06:14] scenario come in so that we could
[1:06:18] possibly do that and again the council
[1:06:21] if you have people who have any interest
[1:06:25] send them my way.
[1:06:28] And the other thing with still uh
[1:06:32] employees within the city of Skenctity,
[1:06:35] there are
[1:06:37] what I would call comparable jobs out
[1:06:39] the market where the salary may be
[1:06:41] higher, but the total benefit package
[1:06:44] for the city is actually as good or
[1:06:48] better when you factor in retirement,
[1:06:50] the health care,
[1:06:52] other uh benefits that are included in
[1:06:56] that. And sometimes, you know,
[1:06:59] people uh want the immediate cash in the
[1:07:02] paycheck and don't look at the overall
[1:07:05] package. So that's part of the just
[1:07:08] selling public employment to uh
[1:07:11] individuals who are looking for
[1:07:13] long-term people want to make it a
[1:07:15] career working for the city.
[1:07:19] Anthony has a couple years under his
[1:07:21] belt.
[1:07:23] I I think I'm the the oldest guy here. I
[1:07:26] mean longevity wise in the city and the
[1:07:29] most time
[1:07:32] he's shaking his head duly noted that
[1:07:34] he's shaking his head when I started be
[1:07:36] here for five years
[1:07:39] you start 70 84 excuse me 89
[1:07:44] there you go wow
[1:07:47] any other question on the section we did
[1:07:50] all right let's um move on to the
[1:07:52] clerk's department and that is page Six.
[1:07:58] Uh, city clerk, the city city clerk her
[1:08:02] total bud is only up 11,110.
[1:08:05] Uh, 4.3% uh 4.36%
[1:08:09] increase from last year and that again
[1:08:12] is mostly to uh you know increase
[1:08:16] salaries because contracts.
[1:08:21] M you want to do those with you?
[1:08:25] Since you're here, not putting you in
[1:08:27] the spot.
[1:08:29] Um, what would you what would you like
[1:08:31] to
[1:08:33] Well, I see there's a deputy register
[1:08:36] that I asked for. It's not in there.
[1:08:42] Deputy registar position that's in
[1:08:44] there.
[1:08:45] Okay. I wanted to have that built. So, I
[1:08:49] have another person in there that's
[1:08:51] responsible for all the vital records.
[1:08:57] the uh position the difference between
[1:08:59] the IPS3 and the uh position for deputy
[1:09:03] registar or the civil service
[1:09:07] uh classification are different
[1:09:17] position.
[1:09:18] Yes.
[1:09:20] So, so can you dive a little can you
[1:09:22] dive a little deeper and give us a
[1:09:24] little bit like a summary what's
[1:09:25] happening in your department in terms of
[1:09:28] you know like what you do on a daily
[1:09:30] basis not you but your department
[1:09:32] it seems that services have increased
[1:09:35] because other municipalities are now um
[1:09:39] closing to leaving
[1:09:43] services only for their municipalities.
[1:09:45] So, um, they're only serving the
[1:09:48] residents in whatever city, town, or
[1:09:51] village that they're doing where we are
[1:09:53] open to serving everyone in the state
[1:09:57] regardless of um, you know, specifically
[1:10:00] marriage records. So, we're getting an
[1:10:04] increase with those. Everyone's coming
[1:10:06] in and they take a while to process, you
[1:10:09] know, so there's more time, more people
[1:10:12] coming in. We have people coming in and
[1:10:13] sitting and waiting.
[1:10:15] Because even from the city coming up
[1:10:16] here to get something done.
[1:10:23] Why don't we do that?
[1:10:24] I was going to ask why why why don't we
[1:10:27] state allows for um certificates to be
[1:10:31] done anywhere in the state and then used
[1:10:33] anywhere in the state. But certain
[1:10:35] municipalities now because of COVID have
[1:10:38] limited to just their residents.
[1:10:41] Like a marriage certificate for example.
[1:10:42] I thought that you had to have the
[1:10:44] marriage certificate in the jurisdiction
[1:10:47] in which you were going to get married.
[1:10:48] Correct.
[1:10:49] Anywhere in the state anywhere in the
[1:10:50] state. Yes.
[1:10:51] And it but is that a point of revenue
[1:10:53] for us or
[1:10:54] Yes, it is. Yeah.
[1:10:55] So, so
[1:10:57] that's why I haven't limited it.
[1:10:58] Yeah. So, the thing is but you need
[1:11:00] someone to support that process and we
[1:11:02] do it a little more efficiently.
[1:11:03] Yeah.
[1:11:07] But but right now the IPS3 is doing
[1:11:09] that.
[1:11:10] She is. So that isn't the job
[1:11:12] description under the civil service.
[1:11:15] Could we petition to change the job the job title slashposition
[1:11:19] responsibilities through cse you know
[1:11:21] through the I know I used to have to do
[1:11:24] that all the time at the community
[1:11:25] college.
[1:11:25] We could we could do that but the the
[1:11:27] issue is that we still need the body
[1:11:30] because we are getting increase in in
[1:11:33] requests and customers coming in.
[1:11:39] Yeah.
[1:11:39] Oh, please.
[1:11:42] The actual revenues are down though.
[1:11:46] So,
[1:11:48] kind of doesn't
[1:11:50] add up, I guess, cuz in 2019 there was
[1:11:54] almost 10,000.
[1:11:56] This year we're at 6,000. Last year
[1:11:59] 8,500
[1:12:06] for marriage licenses.
[1:12:09] So that's
[1:12:14] 2022 though isn't a full year. That's up
[1:12:17] until I think August
[1:12:20] September.
[1:12:22] You got to remember too many ain't going
[1:12:24] to go out in that quarter. It's still
[1:12:26] only 8,000.
[1:12:27] You also have to add in the 4491 from
[1:12:30] marriage. It says marriage by mayor, but
[1:12:32] that's not really what that is. That is
[1:12:34] actually marriage certificates.
[1:12:37] That's where the Bureau of Social put
[1:12:40] in. So for marriage license and
[1:12:42] certificates
[1:12:47] 10,400
[1:12:57] are your staff. You have Are you fully
[1:12:59] sty?
[1:13:08] What would be for
[1:13:16] 30?
[1:13:18] No, it's be up to the 47570.
[1:13:21] That 47570 increase the 5,000.
[1:13:26] So would you take the 5,000 42570
[1:13:31] if it's just a better register? I mean
[1:13:35] the IPS3
[1:13:36] yeah it would be
[1:13:38] yeah so that so that
[1:13:41] register 42
[1:13:44] 570
[1:13:45] so the IPS would be making less
[1:13:47] yeah IPS would be 42570 then register
[1:13:50] making 42570 they'd be the same grades
[1:13:53] 22
[1:13:55] I'm not sure what the grades are
[1:13:57] I'll look it up I'll let you know
[1:14:01] and the uh marriage to the
[1:14:06] budget for the mayor's office for
[1:14:08] revenue for marriages that I perform
[1:14:12] under
[1:14:14] some situ I'm entitled to keep that
[1:14:17] money. I've never done that have uh just
[1:14:20] put it back as a revenue line item in
[1:14:23] the city. There are other individuals
[1:14:26] who perform marriages within this
[1:14:28] building that uh you know it's an attractive setting for people
[1:14:34] when you look at have to go out and rent
[1:14:37] a hall or someplace else. People come
[1:14:39] here and it might be the council could
[1:14:42] uh just enact a fee for the building
[1:14:48] where I try to put it's now $75 is the
[1:14:52] fees set by the state to perform a uh
[1:14:56] marriage
[1:14:58] and just change that to a
[1:15:02] building fee or
[1:15:05] apartment fee. Again, it's still a very
[1:15:08] good deal. It's a nominal thing and we
[1:15:11] accommodate uh individuals coming in to
[1:15:16] right move around uh do the uh
[1:15:19] photographs and make it a good
[1:15:21] experience for
[1:15:27] we have a fee for is $4,500.
[1:15:32] Is this going to cover that training
[1:15:34] that we approved um a week ago, two
[1:15:36] weeks ago?
[1:15:37] When where are you
[1:15:38] the 4,500 city the next page
[1:15:41] we use that for
[1:15:45] license
[1:15:45] right
[1:15:47] is that is that going to cover that that
[1:15:49] um what is this
[1:15:52] training
[1:15:52] no we're thinking of using that through
[1:15:55] the city city council's fees for
[1:15:58] services
[1:15:59] but actually we're actually trying to
[1:16:01] get it
[1:16:02] yeah we're trying to get
[1:16:05] just so you know
[1:16:08] Good luck.
[1:16:09] Oh, no. No. We can find people that
[1:16:12] Okay. No, I I just want to make sure
[1:16:13] that we have coverage.
[1:16:14] No, this 4500 is for license and
[1:16:20] we do have we have fees for service.
[1:16:22] Yes, we do.
[1:16:23] Oh, what's that?
[1:16:24] Sure. It's a couple.
[1:16:26] Any other question regarding this
[1:16:28] department?
[1:16:30] Okay.
[1:16:33] All right.
[1:16:40] So we'll move to the fire.
[1:16:43] [Music]
[1:17:04] Oh, okay.
[1:17:07] Anthony, you want to give us a brief and
[1:17:09] then I ask chief to give us
[1:17:12] administration?
[1:17:13] I actually uh the fire administration is
[1:17:16] up 387,725
[1:17:19] hours, which is only a 3.11%
[1:17:23] increase. Again, this is mostly almost
[1:17:26] 100% due to salary increases and
[1:17:29] longevity increases.
[1:17:42] [Music]
[1:17:55] So like Anthony said that the increases
[1:17:57] are are in salaries. Uh there are some
[1:18:01] lines that have gone up.
[1:18:04] Uh and
[1:18:07] some of them are oneoffs.
[1:18:10] Uh some items that we have to purchase
[1:18:12] this year or 2023.
[1:18:14] Uh for instance are a
[1:18:18] ballistic test have have uh come to the
[1:18:21] end of their life. That's a $50,000
[1:18:24] increase or $50,000 bill that we'll be looking at. Uh we're looking at
[1:18:29] a new reporting system and uh it's quite
[1:18:33] expensive. We we're not settled in.
[1:18:36] We're going to be purchasing this one.
[1:18:38] We're still doing our research, but we
[1:18:40] budgeted for it and it's a $25,000 just
[1:18:43] a setup cost. And then um it is going to
[1:18:48] be a little more expensive than the
[1:18:50] reporting system we have. Some of our
[1:18:52] other cost increases are due to um
[1:18:55] inflation and supplies and whatnot being
[1:19:00] costing more. For instance, some of our
[1:19:02] medical supplies are up 30%.
[1:19:05] Um, some of that is due to some changes
[1:19:09] that have been made in the medical
[1:19:11] field. Typically, years ago, if you went
[1:19:14] to a cardiac arrest, you're um you would
[1:19:18] get there, you assess the patient, they
[1:19:20] were in cardiac arrest, you would treat
[1:19:21] them, you would package them, and you
[1:19:23] get them to the hospital. That has
[1:19:25] changed now. Now, you would treat them
[1:19:28] at at their home. You get to a certain
[1:19:30] point where you feel you've done
[1:19:32] everything possible
[1:19:34] and you would call a doc and you would
[1:19:35] get a secure order and you would leave
[1:19:37] the patient there. And what that
[1:19:40] translates financially is all those
[1:19:42] supplies that are used on that on that
[1:19:45] call, which is quite expensive, um
[1:19:48] you're not reimbured. If you brought
[1:19:50] them to the hospital, you could
[1:19:53] restock your your supplies there. If you
[1:19:56] leave them at home, you can't do that.
[1:19:58] And for instance, just one item that you
[1:20:02] might use is a needle, a special needle.
[1:20:04] It's called an interosius needle. Um,
[1:20:07] which is the go-to in cardiac arrest
[1:20:09] because it's quick and it's almost
[1:20:12] foolproof. It's very expensive. Each one
[1:20:14] of those needles about $120
[1:20:17] and you're not getting reimburseed for
[1:20:19] that. So, a cardiac arrest could cost
[1:20:21] you $400 or $500 that you're not getting
[1:20:24] reimbured. And we do I don't know the
[1:20:28] exact number 120.
[1:20:32] Um
[1:20:34] another one off is some equipment that
[1:20:37] we need. Our water rescue suits have to
[1:20:40] be um replenished to come to the end of
[1:20:44] their life and that's a 13,000
[1:20:46] $13,000
[1:20:49] um cost to the ship.
[1:20:52] Another item that's a oneoff is uh we're
[1:20:55] establishing a
[1:20:59] team. It's technical emergency medical
[1:21:01] services. U that's going to be will be
[1:21:04] working with the police. Uh providing a
[1:21:07] paramedic when they go out on their um
[1:21:11] SWAT
[1:21:12] missions
[1:21:14] who are splitting the cost with with the
[1:21:16] police. there's an initial startup that
[1:21:19] we need some equipment. Uh and then in
[1:21:23] future years there'll be about half of
[1:21:25] that cost for us. So
[1:21:29] that's an overall some of those bigger
[1:21:31] items.
[1:21:35] Okay. So we can start from 23 and just
[1:21:39] go through and if we have questions
[1:21:41] we'll just go back.
[1:21:42] Yeah. Miss Williams, you had some.
[1:21:50] So to your immediate comment about the
[1:21:52] cost of the needles and thank you for
[1:21:54] providing that an overview. Is there any
[1:21:56] opportunity for cost sharing with our
[1:21:58] local hospital? I imagine that might
[1:22:00] have come up.
[1:22:01] No, not really.
[1:22:03] They're looking to cut their cost. We've
[1:22:06] had a great hardcore with Ellis and
[1:22:08] other facilities where when the patient
[1:22:11] begins transported and transferred they
[1:22:13] would reimburse
[1:22:15] I shouldn't say reimburse but restock at
[1:22:18] 100%.
[1:22:20] And you know now as the delivery of
[1:22:23] services is changing we're going to bear
[1:22:25] some of that cost.
[1:22:30] Any
[1:22:32] additional question on the fire
[1:22:34] administration on page 23?
[1:22:36] I have one question for the finance
[1:22:38] commissioner and the chief it said that
[1:22:41] all staff can get a 4% pay raise and we
[1:22:44] stiff the public safety commission.
[1:22:48] Wow, didn't realize that seller is in two different lines,
[1:22:59] right?
[1:22:59] Yeah.
[1:23:01] in the police.
[1:23:04] I I think because I thought he was part
[1:23:05] time, right? Like he did not qualify for
[1:23:08] the race.
[1:23:11] I was incorrect.
[1:23:17] Someone have a pen.
[1:23:20] [Music]
[1:23:26] All right, let's move on to um One quick
[1:23:29] question.
[1:23:30] Go ahead.
[1:23:30] Just general. So my first question is
[1:23:33] that change of delivery of service
[1:23:35] that's that is probably due to like just
[1:23:37] a you know safety of patients. It's just
[1:23:41] seem to be take to treat them at home is
[1:23:44] a is a better way to treat them. Is that
[1:23:48] why that was I'm just curious as
[1:23:50] why that's changed by transport. Um,
[1:23:54] our paramedics provide the service equal
[1:23:57] to what they would in the emergency
[1:23:59] room.
[1:24:00] And in a cardiac arrest, it's all about
[1:24:02] timing.
[1:24:03] And you reach a point where you have
[1:24:05] administered the medications that if
[1:24:08] they're going to work, they're going to
[1:24:09] work. And you have done your skills
[1:24:12] with, you know, if you have to shock the
[1:24:14] patient out of a certain rhythm or not.
[1:24:16] And and you go through that and that
[1:24:18] could take 15, 20 minutes, 25 minutes.
[1:24:22] and you'll get to a point where it's not
[1:24:24] working and it's not going to work.
[1:24:26] So then we'll call medical support and
[1:24:31] uh explain what we have and they make a
[1:24:33] decision and and they take in all kinds
[1:24:36] of uh um information like what we what
[1:24:41] we think caused the cardiac arrest, a
[1:24:44] trauma arrest versus someone in advance
[1:24:46] age, you know, and those decisions are
[1:24:49] yeah, you're not going to transport
[1:24:52] was a tough decision.
[1:24:54] Yes, sounds like
[1:24:56] and some of that whole thing is uh some
[1:24:59] of the services that fire department
[1:25:01] provides the way the insurance
[1:25:04] reimbursement is structured today, we
[1:25:06] don't qualify for reimbursement. And so
[1:25:10] it's part of the dialogue that we're
[1:25:12] having with
[1:25:15] local insurance providers with uh both
[1:25:19] Medicare and Medicaid
[1:25:21] uh formulas and how they uh allow for
[1:25:25] reimbursement so that not only
[1:25:28] connectity but other similar communities
[1:25:31] would uh be able to be reimbursed for
[1:25:36] their actual services where we're
[1:25:38] looking How do we provide uh better and
[1:25:42] more appropriate care? A lot of it is to
[1:25:45] not transport everybody to the emergency
[1:25:48] room.
[1:25:48] Uh do the evaluation to get them to uh
[1:25:53] an urgent care, get them to their
[1:25:54] private physician, maybe to orthopedic.
[1:25:57] You have something example of twisted
[1:26:00] ankle. You don't know if it's broken or
[1:26:01] just the sprain. They're going to have
[1:26:03] to go orthopedic. And
[1:26:07] how do you get them there as opposed to
[1:26:09] going to the emergency room to
[1:26:13] Brooklyn New York?
[1:26:15] I just call
[1:26:17] sure to plan that.
[1:26:20] But again, it's that appropriate level
[1:26:23] of care which gives people uh again
[1:26:26] quicker, better results. So they're not
[1:26:29] sitting for a long period of time in the
[1:26:31] emergency room uh frustrated in not
[1:26:35] being treated and it's how do you again
[1:26:39] get the revenue streams to match up the
[1:26:42] delivery of services.
[1:26:45] My other question was um you know I know
[1:26:48] like after you know when we're
[1:26:50] purchasing new equipment or something
[1:26:51] for the city you know old equipment um
[1:26:54] you know goes to auction or you know how
[1:26:56] we do that. I was wondering is that in for your equipment like the vendors
[1:27:03] or whoever you work with is there like
[1:27:05] um guess I'm not exactly finding the
[1:27:07] right word for it but like uh dated
[1:27:11] equipment is there any value in that
[1:27:13] equipment once you you know have to
[1:27:16] purchase new equipment. So, is it like
[1:27:17] something like maybe a vendor where
[1:27:18] you're like, "Okay, we're buying our new
[1:27:21] uh vest or something, but you know, we
[1:27:23] have these hundred vests that, you know,
[1:27:25] there's still a value in that raw
[1:27:27] material that would be attractive to
[1:27:28] that vendor." I'm just wondering.
[1:27:30] Yeah. When it all comes down to safety,
[1:27:34] somebody puts a expiration date on
[1:27:37] something, called it the best, it's a
[1:27:38] fiveyear,
[1:27:40] uh, it's going to be very hard to sell
[1:27:42] that anyone or even for us to keep it
[1:27:45] because, god forbid,
[1:27:47] It's yours,
[1:27:48] right?
[1:27:48] And something bad happens, we're going
[1:27:50] to say, "We told you right here, five
[1:27:52] year life and you decided to keep it six
[1:27:54] years, right?
[1:27:55] Or sell it to that person and so there
[1:27:58] is really no value."
[1:28:00] Yes. No. Right. I I imagine. So, you know, like that's
[1:28:04] pretty important stuff. We need that to
[1:28:06] work, right? I was thinking like for
[1:28:08] vendors that we use who you know produce
[1:28:10] this thing is there any I'm just
[1:28:12] wondering is there any like you know
[1:28:14] like value with them to give them
[1:28:17] old things that they re you know
[1:28:19] refurbish things or whatever I just
[1:28:20] wonder is there any way to recycle those
[1:28:22] in a way that can develop some revenue
[1:28:24] for the city
[1:28:27] the things that have value we do like
[1:28:30] vehicles
[1:28:31] [Music]
[1:28:32] those types of things but when you start
[1:28:34] talking um perishables like hose and
[1:28:37] whatnot. We we test our hose every year
[1:28:41] and if it passes we keep it. If it
[1:28:43] doesn't then you got to get rid of
[1:28:45] things like that.
[1:28:46] Yeah.
[1:28:47] So all safety related things once they
[1:28:50] reach their lifespan they're done
[1:28:54] like that too fire both of them they
[1:28:56] have it quit or whatever they they use
[1:28:58] it right to the end there just no life
[1:29:01] anything they have they usually use it
[1:29:03] until there's no life. Yeah, I think I
[1:29:06] was thinking like if I'm a vendor and I
[1:29:07] use these materials to produce the
[1:29:09] stuff, maybe some of that material could
[1:29:12] be repurposed. So maybe as a vendor
[1:29:13] there could be some value to me, maybe a
[1:29:15] credit or something like that.
[1:29:16] Sometimes that happens. Yeah.
[1:29:18] You know, with our monitors sometimes
[1:29:20] uh at the end of their life there is
[1:29:21] some turn it in.
[1:29:23] Right. Yeah. That's always
[1:29:29] go ahead please.
[1:29:30] So I I do have a question under police
[1:29:32] administration. Uh so there's a line
[1:29:34] item where it's the assistant fire chief
[1:29:37] at 0 75 and then the deputy chief
[1:29:39] administration at 0.25
[1:29:44] so that comes
[1:29:46] because
[1:29:47] I said
[1:29:49] chief decided that to abandon me.
[1:29:55] So we're going way back on this
[1:29:56] expedition.
[1:29:58] I'm not over it yet.
[1:30:01] Uh so when he retired and I became the
[1:30:05] fire chief,
[1:30:06] we had an opening for an assistant
[1:30:08] chief, but we didn't have a bag with a
[1:30:11] uh a list from civil service.
[1:30:15] So it was decid Well, we had the list,
[1:30:17] but we
[1:30:18] list so it was decided that we were
[1:30:22] going to offer another test. Um, and
[1:30:25] when that test is given and we have a a
[1:30:29] list to look at, we would appoint a new
[1:30:32] assistant chief.
[1:30:34] But in the meantime, we came to council
[1:30:37] and we asked for a seventh deputy chief
[1:30:39] to try to pick up some of that workload.
[1:30:43] So, we're anticipating in the first
[1:30:46] quarter of next year to be able to look
[1:30:49] at a list to appoint an assistant chief,
[1:30:53] but until then, we're using that seventh
[1:30:55] deputy chief. So,
[1:30:58] we're going to have that seventh deputy
[1:31:00] chief for the first quarter is what our
[1:31:02] what it looks like.
[1:31:04] And when we appoint another assistant
[1:31:06] chief, that seventh deputy chief goes
[1:31:08] away. So, that that portion is only for
[1:31:11] a quarter of the year.
[1:31:12] And then the assistant chief is in place
[1:31:16] and that's three4.
[1:31:18] Thank you.
[1:31:23] Any question on that before I turn to
[1:31:24] page 24.
[1:31:27] Okay.
[1:31:32] Chief, can you explain the the
[1:31:34] administrative
[1:31:35] expense for public safety foundation? We
[1:31:38] allocated this last year and we were
[1:31:40] hoping that this was going to be used
[1:31:41] towards the
[1:31:44] Can you tell us where you are this
[1:31:46] portion
[1:31:47] or your your department contribution?
[1:31:50] Yes. Um
[1:31:52] we have used that line for we do a lot
[1:31:55] of events
[1:31:58] and you know we're we're at the events
[1:32:02] for public relations. We're out there
[1:32:05] getting uh fire safety information
[1:32:08] um
[1:32:10] and recruitment. So, we we have things
[1:32:14] that we give away. We purchase some
[1:32:16] items
[1:32:17] um and we're going to be purchasing
[1:32:20] other items. So, for the rest of the
[1:32:22] year, you'll see that being used, but
[1:32:24] we're also working with the police
[1:32:26] department and some events coming up.
[1:32:28] So, we haven't used money all the way
[1:32:30] yet. um we're using some of that money
[1:32:33] again for uh public relations and
[1:32:37] community development. So for the rest
[1:32:40] of the year, more of that money will be
[1:32:42] used
[1:32:43] and then for next year
[1:32:46] we're still researching it. Um we're
[1:32:49] hoping to
[1:32:51] possibly do a program that's called Stop
[1:32:54] the Bleed.
[1:32:56] And what that is what?
[1:32:58] Stop the bleed.
[1:32:59] Oh, stop the bleed. Right. It's part
[1:33:01] educational and it's part um
[1:33:06] equipment.
[1:33:08] What it's designed to do is to get into
[1:33:11] the community. And we're we would like
[1:33:13] to possibly target uh the school system,
[1:33:16] the schools, maybe the high school.
[1:33:19] Start with teachers and maybe
[1:33:23] certain groups of children, you know,
[1:33:24] seniors. And you actually go in there
[1:33:27] and you show them how you would pardon
[1:33:29] me, stop major bleeds and you would have
[1:33:32] a packet. In that packet would be
[1:33:35] tourniquets and gauze and some other
[1:33:37] items again that would assist stopping
[1:33:40] major. The idea is god forbid we have a
[1:33:44] school shooting but we have another
[1:33:46] large event. Now you have people that
[1:33:48] have been trained uh to assist to a
[1:33:52] certain level and you have the materials
[1:33:55] they would need to help you. Mhm.
[1:33:58] So it was something that happened in Las
[1:34:01] Vegas. They had the shooting.
[1:34:04] They had already had that program in
[1:34:07] place.
[1:34:08] So we're researching that if that would
[1:34:10] be a good source to use that money.
[1:34:16] Chief, I would just tell you that I
[1:34:18] think you're being a little modest when
[1:34:19] you're talking about some of the
[1:34:21] community engagement stuff that you're
[1:34:22] doing because it's not just outreach. It
[1:34:24] is outreach and education and and really
[1:34:27] it's it's preventative things you know
[1:34:29] it's really being proactive that you
[1:34:31] know make sure people educated around
[1:34:33] fire safety things like that are you
[1:34:35] know we can't always you know measure
[1:34:37] the benefits of that but we can measure
[1:34:39] the benefits of it when it doesn't
[1:34:40] happen correct so I would I would just
[1:34:42] I can tell you pretty
[1:34:45] certain how many fires we have uh and we
[1:34:48] can project how many we're going to have
[1:34:50] you know we do 3550 structure fires
[1:34:54] second alarm fires on average. Uh that
[1:34:56] doesn't include uh the the fires that we
[1:35:01] prevented from going to a second because
[1:35:03] we were there quick and we got in there
[1:35:05] fast and our people did a great job. Did
[1:35:07] a good job. Uh but I can't tell you how
[1:35:10] many we prevent. Um so we're we are out
[1:35:14] in the community. Um we gave away some
[1:35:17] smoke detectors at an event that we did.
[1:35:20] We're in the schools. while we're at
[1:35:22] other community events and and we do
[1:35:24] hear the stories. Uh it was Lexington
[1:35:28] Avenue I think a fire approximately
[1:35:32] blended together. It's one big fire in
[1:35:33] my head. Um
[1:35:36] but it was a fire that was started and
[1:35:40] the it was a Saturday I believe. Parents
[1:35:44] were sleeping in and a girl uh a young
[1:35:48] girl I forget how old but she was she
[1:35:50] was young. Seven, eight, nine. I don't
[1:35:52] remember.
[1:35:54] Is this the one between Brand and not?
[1:35:56] Yes.
[1:35:56] Yeah.
[1:35:57] So that child went through one of our
[1:36:02] fire prevention talks.
[1:36:04] She executed the plan perfectly. She did
[1:36:08] everything that was taught. So that's
[1:36:11] one we know worked and there are many
[1:36:14] more that have worked.
[1:36:19] So the outages
[1:36:26] appreciate the detail on what you're
[1:36:28] doing there. Those are things that we
[1:36:29] needed in our community. But if I can
[1:36:31] recall when we pass this out last year,
[1:36:33] it was primarily towards athletic events
[1:36:36] towards or driven towards that need to
[1:36:39] police that weren't at that. The only
[1:36:42] reason why we changed it in public
[1:36:43] safety was a public um athletic
[1:36:47] Well, I think in other communities it
[1:36:48] might have been like a PAL.
[1:36:50] Yes.
[1:36:50] Um but I think that because we're
[1:36:52] combining
[1:36:53] these guys are working together um as
[1:36:56] departments that public safety
[1:36:58] foundation name came in about. But I
[1:37:01] think it's any community outreach events
[1:37:03] that um either.
[1:37:06] Yeah, I I think it's correct. Yeah. We
[1:37:08] changed it to public safety to accompany
[1:37:09] the was it primarily driven to engage
[1:37:13] the youth and athletic? Well, it's to
[1:37:15] engage the youth could have been
[1:37:17] analytics in some of it. This whole
[1:37:19] thing co has shifted
[1:37:22] the whole thing in a slower pace for the
[1:37:24] engagement, but it's to lay that
[1:37:27] groundwork for really recruitment
[1:37:32] in both police and fire.
[1:37:34] Yeah. Because I would like to see we
[1:37:36] kind of go back to where we originally
[1:37:38] set up this for. So engaging you event,
[1:37:42] whatever you need to do to help that
[1:37:45] rather than putting money there to buy
[1:37:48] meaningful you know supplies and sharing
[1:37:50] things which is good but we can also
[1:37:52] accommodate funding for that stuff that
[1:37:55] you just mentioned there but we need to
[1:37:57] focus on the public safety foundation
[1:37:58] what it was actually we voted we
[1:38:01] approved it for things like that just to
[1:38:04] benefit the the news last year
[1:38:08] I was there um
[1:38:11] I I guess I would see it
[1:38:13] I mean, I know when we when we when the
[1:38:17] five um Tuesday night events were held,
[1:38:19] for example, this this past summer and both the fire department and the
[1:38:24] police department were there and they
[1:38:26] had giveaways. Although, I'm going to
[1:38:28] say that I think that the fire
[1:38:29] department was jealous of the police
[1:38:31] department. They had better giveaways a
[1:38:33] little bit.
[1:38:35] [Music]
[1:38:38] Okay, so here's the deal. which is why
[1:38:41] we need to increase this budget.
[1:38:42] That's why we have to have the $25,000.
[1:38:44] So, the police have a very good way of
[1:38:47] getting things donated in
[1:38:50] I actually know what the secret was
[1:38:52] there.
[1:38:52] Awesome giveaway.
[1:38:53] I know the secret. I know. I know the
[1:38:56] secret. I'll tell you.
[1:38:57] Okay. So, they they did a lot of work
[1:38:59] and they got a lot of great things and everybody's very happy.
[1:39:03] What we did was we purchased a bag for a
[1:39:06] dollar and a quarter. Yes.
[1:39:08] With our name on it that the just load
[1:39:11] our bag up.
[1:39:13] Believe me,
[1:39:14] I think it's the choir department that
[1:39:17] Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Um, but I guess I
[1:39:20] want to go back to what Mr. Murder was
[1:39:22] saying though. I guess I just don't want
[1:39:23] to just limit it to athletic events
[1:39:25] because there might be other kinds of
[1:39:27] community fairs um like like if they
[1:39:31] like we had the thing at um Central
[1:39:32] Park. I can't remember which one that
[1:39:34] was, but I mean like even think about
[1:39:36] like a Junth or um the Caribbean Day or
[1:39:39] any of those kinds of festivals. Um if
[1:39:42] our folks are there and have giveaways
[1:39:45] um you know those I think should be
[1:39:47] under the same umbrella.
[1:39:49] Yeah, I understand. But um let me just
[1:39:51] mention I'm trying to look um it was a
[1:39:53] year ago two years ago the chief they
[1:39:55] were doing these community events and it
[1:39:57] was like $500 per event and they were
[1:40:00] seeking donation outside from outside
[1:40:02] agencies
[1:40:03] and we did add it in the budget in 2021
[1:40:06] and we continue $6,000 so five $500 per
[1:40:11] month per event over the 12 month
[1:40:13] period. So that is in the police budget
[1:40:14] of $500 per event.
[1:40:17] Exactly. But they did over the threeear
[1:40:20] period.
[1:40:20] You mean that's their $25,000?
[1:40:22] No, that is a separate line item. Yes.
[1:40:25] So we have we're not talking about
[1:40:27] police department.
[1:40:29] Yeah, we're not talking. I just want to
[1:40:30] mention that
[1:40:33] of all the giveaways, does anyone have a
[1:40:35] mayor air freshener?
[1:40:41] I do.
[1:40:43] I don't have them in the car. I got the
[1:40:45] whole stack of them.
[1:40:47] It goes directly to code enforcement.
[1:40:48] There you go. Code enforcers.
[1:40:50] It was code enforcement. That's right.
[1:40:53] I did one. I wanted to um in terms of
[1:40:56] the where you're saying that it should
[1:40:58] only be around athletics in terms of the
[1:40:59] fire department, which is what we're
[1:41:01] talking about. Um I'm not sure how that
[1:41:03] really looks. I understand with the
[1:41:04] police department, but um like the
[1:41:06] program that he talked about, stop the
[1:41:07] bleed. I think that's like that to me is
[1:41:10] just something that actually just makes
[1:41:12] sense because you're teaching a skill
[1:41:14] and then if people are in that
[1:41:16] unfortunate circumstance where they have
[1:41:18] to be able to need it. I think it's a
[1:41:20] good thing to teach children or or
[1:41:22] anyone that that you want to teach. And
[1:41:23] also, um it's it's something once they
[1:41:26] learn that skill, you know, it's there.
[1:41:28] And actually, I actually witnessed
[1:41:29] something similar to that where so I was
[1:41:31] there and someone got shot outside of
[1:41:33] the office where I worked and there was
[1:41:34] a guy who had been in the military
[1:41:36] apparently and he had to do a tourniquet
[1:41:39] and that helped save that person until
[1:41:42] um you know until the the fight
[1:41:46] paramedics came. So, I understand the
[1:41:49] police part of it. I but I think that we
[1:41:51] should have a little bit more um leeway
[1:41:54] in terms of what we do with the fire
[1:41:56] department.
[1:41:56] And I think u when we discussed this
[1:41:58] last year, it was the mayor's request to
[1:42:00] um to buy this money out between the two
[1:42:02] agencies department because we were
[1:42:04] giving based on the police reform
[1:42:07] reinvention.
[1:42:08] putting $50,000 towards the police
[1:42:11] department
[1:42:13] requested that we split the 2525 across
[1:42:16] and both department will work within the
[1:42:18] community to provide us service. I don't
[1:42:21] have a problem providing um
[1:42:25] revenue provide um you know funding to
[1:42:28] the fire department to help them to
[1:42:30] offset the service they're providing in
[1:42:33] terms of what chief mentioned. So that's
[1:42:35] something we should consider apart from
[1:42:37] the foundation we set out specifically
[1:42:39] to do
[1:42:41] a task that we all agreed on that last
[1:42:44] video report.
[1:42:45] So in addition
[1:42:46] we just want to bring that to the table.
[1:42:49] So that's you're actually saying let's
[1:42:51] add more money in
[1:42:52] so that the chief doesn't have to tap
[1:42:55] into the public safety foundation. this
[1:42:57] money set aside for a specific purpose
[1:42:59] that we all agreed and voted on last the
[1:43:01] year before and we can look at
[1:43:04] additional funding.
[1:43:06] So I guess my question is and then
[1:43:08] probably for the chief is is that a way
[1:43:10] you can spend money? I mean do you do
[1:43:12] athletic things?
[1:43:14] I mean other than running up the ladder
[1:43:17] racket then carrying the hobies. I don't
[1:43:18] mean that part. But um in terms of
[1:43:23] trust me, I like all the city employees,
[1:43:26] but the police and fire department do
[1:43:27] not have trouble spending.
[1:43:31] Oh my god.
[1:43:32] See, I heard transfer 25,000. But
[1:43:37] I just want to make sure that you know
[1:43:38] you have the opportunity. We don't
[1:43:40] narrow it down so much that you aren't
[1:43:41] able to.
[1:43:42] That's how I feel as well.
[1:43:44] We've been um the past couple years
[1:43:48] we've increased our uh working
[1:43:51] relationship with the police. They do
[1:43:52] some great things. They do a lot of
[1:43:55] community outreach and they have
[1:43:57] included us in a lot of those. Um so
[1:44:01] that's where a lot of our
[1:44:03] uh focus has been. Especially this time
[1:44:05] of the year they have like three
[1:44:06] different events coming up dealing with
[1:44:09] Halloween and you know and Christmas
[1:44:12] coming up and whatnot. So, a lot of, you
[1:44:15] know, supplies that we'll need will go
[1:44:18] towards some of those things. And when
[1:44:20] they did their five nights of athletic
[1:44:23] activity, we participated in that also.
[1:44:26] But, um, as far as us doing a sole
[1:44:29] athletic event, we have not.
[1:44:31] Nice.
[1:44:34] So, and that's why they asked was to
[1:44:36] team up with the police department,
[1:44:38] firefighting police department, get out
[1:44:40] there and provide assistance.
[1:44:43] Yeah.
[1:44:43] Sorry.
[1:44:45] Go ahead.
[1:44:45] So, if I'm understanding this correctly,
[1:44:47] you were saying that the the the
[1:44:49] foundation um was
[1:44:52] tasked with that those funds were
[1:44:54] supposed to be around career exploration
[1:44:56] and in recruitment. Is that what we're
[1:44:59] saying?
[1:44:59] Okay.
[1:45:00] Youth engagement in terms of sports.
[1:45:02] Okay. Isn't that chief we talking about
[1:45:05] for the police?
[1:45:09] Yes. Okay. All right. Primary engagement
[1:45:14] in this stop the bleed program. I would
[1:45:16] suggest that what that does is not only
[1:45:20] is it teaching people a life-saving
[1:45:23] skill, but what it does it does
[1:45:24] introduce um people into that field. And
[1:45:27] it is kind of something that will, you
[1:45:29] know, increase the likelihood of some
[1:45:31] sparkling young person's interest to
[1:45:32] say, you know, this is something I could
[1:45:34] do for them.
[1:45:36] I I I know I'm sounding very
[1:45:38] argumentative. But I just want to say
[1:45:40] that I think I hear what you're saying
[1:45:42] and I I value that what what you're
[1:45:44] saying, but I do also want to say that I
[1:45:46] would rather see us go back and just
[1:45:48] expand the um
[1:45:51] what we origin I don't actually remember
[1:45:53] that we said look it up. I'll look it up
[1:45:55] on
[1:45:55] but I guess I would rather expand to be
[1:45:58] more inclusive of any type of
[1:46:01] anything that they needed to do
[1:46:03] community outreach outreach.
[1:46:05] Absolutely. And maybe we look at it
[1:46:07] back. I will ask um it's my coach to
[1:46:09] kind of look that up for us that
[1:46:11] resolution that we passed with the
[1:46:12] backup
[1:46:13] for this uh the public safety foundation
[1:46:15] and you can share it to all of us and we
[1:46:17] can revisit it and look at it and maybe
[1:46:19] expand it and
[1:46:20] a little bit of you know some additional
[1:46:22] funding
[1:46:22] give them more flexibility
[1:46:24] agreed
[1:46:27] fire department or something
[1:46:29] yeah all right let's move on
[1:46:36] any other question on page uh 24
[1:46:39] market. Go ahead, please.
[1:46:40] Just I mean the increase in um cleaning
[1:46:43] supplies, laundry, those are all just
[1:46:45] anticipated
[1:46:47] um really
[1:46:49] money uh proposals that were put out in
[1:46:53] you know it's like $10,000 more.
[1:46:55] It's just the bargain cost.
[1:46:58] I mean will there be more? Will it be I
[1:47:00] mean where did those numbers come from?
[1:47:03] I guess.
[1:47:04] Yeah, I know. As we watch the increases
[1:47:07] now,
[1:47:08] we try to, you know, estimate what it's
[1:47:10] going to be in the future.
[1:47:12] They're all off everything medical
[1:47:15] supplies, like I said, 30%. This some of
[1:47:17] these other supplies 8%
[1:47:21] laundry and
[1:47:23] for laundry, we know for a fact.
[1:47:28] Yeah, we know that's going for sure.
[1:47:31] only
[1:47:32] any other question on um
[1:47:35] the section
[1:47:37] just about the ARPA.
[1:47:39] So in terms of what do we do
[1:47:42] after
[1:47:44] you anticipate this to be ongoing cost
[1:47:46] or just as we're getting over CO I'm
[1:47:50] just wondering about under the laundry
[1:47:51] and also under cleaning supplies and
[1:47:53] also under fees for services you're
[1:47:56] seeing ARPA um funded there. So, what we
[1:47:59] learned from ARPA last year was um when
[1:48:02] the budget was made,
[1:48:05] uh we would look at a line and it was
[1:48:07] decided to help that line. Say it was a
[1:48:11] $50,000 line. I don't have anything
[1:48:13] specific to tell you, but say it was a
[1:48:14] $50,000 line. It was decided we would
[1:48:17] keep $35,000 in the line and then
[1:48:20] supplement it with $15,000 of our
[1:48:22] public.
[1:48:23] But then, as the year went on, we found
[1:48:26] the restrictions may be that us to use
[1:48:29] that arc of money
[1:48:32] for whatever we were trying to buy. So
[1:48:34] this year when we looked at the budget,
[1:48:36] we said, "Well, we still need that
[1:48:37] $50,000."
[1:48:39] So we've readjusted it to be a more what
[1:48:43] think is a more accurate budget.
[1:48:46] And then we're trying to use some of
[1:48:47] that ARPA money for the oneoffs
[1:48:50] uh that we think we can use it. We know
[1:48:52] we can use it and we won't have that
[1:48:54] reoccurring next year. So the money that
[1:48:57] we're using in AR, we're not going to
[1:48:58] depend on it.
[1:48:59] Good.
[1:49:00] And we adjust the line to be more of an
[1:49:03] accurate line.
[1:49:04] Great.
[1:49:05] Thank you.
[1:49:08] All right. Let's move to the next page
[1:49:10] 25.
[1:49:12] Chief, I have this question. Why?
[1:49:16] No, I don't have 25. Absolutely. If she
[1:49:18] can have you
[1:49:20] does the fire captain captain
[1:49:22] emergency medical
[1:49:27] uh because there's a new fire captain in
[1:49:29] that position. Um so his pay rate is a
[1:49:33] little bit
[1:49:34] different because of
[1:49:41] like don't like this guy as much
[1:49:47] kid.
[1:49:48] All right, let's go. Any any questions?
[1:49:51] Going down on page 25, please go ahead.
[1:49:54] Um, just paramedic bonuses are a lot
[1:49:56] less. $30,000 less. Paramedic bonus.
[1:50:00] Oh, yeah.
[1:50:01] I'm sorry. Can you tell me
[1:50:05] 4130
[1:50:06] paramedic bonus?
[1:50:10] I just I'm just trying to mark this.
[1:50:16] Yep. Yep. I'm looking at my notes here.
[1:50:18] Okay. Um
[1:50:23] Okay. Because we have some new people
[1:50:24] that are not at the position where they
[1:50:27] would get that second. They have to be
[1:50:29] on a job that certain a certain amount
[1:50:32] of time
[1:50:33] and they haven't met that qualification.
[1:50:36] Yes.
[1:50:42] Any other question on this page?
[1:50:44] No. All
[1:50:46] right, keep moving. Page 26.
[1:51:00] There was a lot of movement. Oh, sorry.
[1:51:02] There was a lot of movement here.
[1:51:04] Just for just for clarity, can you just
[1:51:07] give us, you know, for the sake of
[1:51:09] conversation as to the movement, people
[1:51:12] moving up and because you have some Mhm.
[1:51:15] You're looking at the salaries.
[1:51:17] Yes.
[1:51:19] So, every year, uh, if someone was at
[1:51:21] step one, obviously go to step two. And
[1:51:25] then if you have someone that retired,
[1:51:27] they they're going off at a higher rate.
[1:51:30] So, it it's always going to fluctuate a
[1:51:32] little bit.
[1:51:36] My question was about the um firefighter
[1:51:38] academy ARPA. And so, that's uh 336,735.
[1:51:44] So I was just again wondering how
[1:51:47] that that's a pretty you know big chunk
[1:51:49] of change and so how moving forward that
[1:51:51] would be um that would be paid.
[1:51:55] Again this is one of the things uh you
[1:51:57] know because we try to get as many
[1:51:59] people in the academy as as we can
[1:52:02] because of uh 2020
[1:52:05] because we did not send so many guys to
[1:52:07] the academy. These are we're actually
[1:52:09] fulfilling uh these uh we're fulfilling
[1:52:13] a lot of these firefighters now. Uh
[1:52:16] you'll see at the end when ARP is done
[1:52:18] you we'll be at full force and we're
[1:52:21] using ARPA because you know we were able
[1:52:24] because we're able to
[1:52:25] No, no, I understand that. My but my
[1:52:27] question is so now we we're getting more
[1:52:29] people through the academy using the
[1:52:30] ARPA funds. We still have to pay the
[1:52:32] maths over.
[1:52:33] Yeah. But what what's going to happen is
[1:52:35] that you'll have a full force and you
[1:52:36] won't you won't need as many. So you
[1:52:38] won't have you won't have 10 guys in the academy every year. You know,
[1:52:43] you'll probably like go back to three or
[1:52:46] four a year, right?
[1:52:47] Instead of having
[1:52:52] and this is because we uh because of our
[1:52:54] because of co you know, we actually
[1:52:56] couldn't send anybody to the academy for
[1:52:58] two years. So now we're just trying to
[1:53:00] fill all those musicians that were able.
[1:53:03] Okay.
[1:53:05] All right.
[1:53:06] Oh yeah.
[1:53:07] Any additional question on the admin
[1:53:10] salaries? Let's move to the next
[1:53:12] section. The support.
[1:53:14] Any question there?
[1:53:16] All right. Let's move down there.
[1:53:21] Chief, can you just explain to us public
[1:53:23] safety equipment and and then public
[1:53:26] safety equipment harp? Can you please
[1:53:28] I I can tell you
[1:53:30] it's a the first public safety equipment
[1:53:34] is eight turnout gears at $4,100 plus
[1:53:36] the ballistic plus the ballistic uh
[1:53:38] things that the chief had talked about
[1:53:41] uh earlier. Uh the 20 uh 28,000 ARPA is
[1:53:45] the turnout gears for the seven officers
[1:53:48] we have as ARPA coming in. So the turn
[1:53:51] we're paying you money pay for those
[1:53:54] seven guys because they're in academy.
[1:53:58] Yeah. Sorry.
[1:54:03] All right. Keep moving.
[1:54:06] Any additional questions? Page 27 top
[1:54:10] portion. Go ahead, please.
[1:54:11] Well, just um a firefighter for 75,0001
[1:54:15] and did he move up to another position
[1:54:17] or something? There's no
[1:54:20] Which line are you on? Dorine, where are
[1:54:22] you?
[1:54:22] 34131 100.
[1:54:26] We may limited a firefighter by putting
[1:54:28] another lieutenant.
[1:54:30] Okay. So, three lieutenants. Okay.
[1:54:32] You're looking at the prevention arson task force.
[1:54:37] That's when we came to you for
[1:54:41] position was
[1:54:43] renamed to
[1:54:47] we have to people in the Lieutenant K.
[1:54:52] Go ahead, please.
[1:54:53] So, I actually had a question about
[1:54:54] that. I know when you came to us, chief,
[1:54:56] you were speaking about potentially or
[1:54:58] trying to forecast eliminating overtime
[1:55:00] in that regard. I see that increase by
[1:55:03] 2,000. So, was that still holding true
[1:55:05] or are you anticipating in future uh
[1:55:08] just work assignments with this?
[1:55:12] I'm sorry.
[1:55:13] 34132.
[1:55:16] Yes.
[1:55:19] It's overtime.
[1:55:20] I have 1002.
[1:55:24] And
[1:55:26] just when you brought it to the council,
[1:55:27] you were mentioning how having this
[1:55:28] firefighter potentially working out of
[1:55:30] his scope of practice. It was putting
[1:55:32] some undue burden on the limited
[1:55:35] lieutenants, hence moved the firefighter
[1:55:37] to lieutenant position, right?
[1:55:39] But I know we're kind of doing that with
[1:55:41] the expectation of limiting overtime. So
[1:55:43] there's some important sense.
[1:55:45] Why is it increase? I think they're two
[1:55:51] first.
[1:55:55] Thank you.
[1:55:58] Actually, if I may want
[1:55:59] Yeah,
[1:56:01] I know there's stipens in other areas
[1:56:03] like hazmat stipen. Can you explain what
[1:56:05] the arson stipen is just first time
[1:56:08] being added?
[1:56:09] 34136
[1:56:11] contract.
[1:56:15] That's the new contract of selection for
[1:56:16] those five guys. Four guys, Maser and
[1:56:23] Thank you.
[1:56:26] Any other question?
[1:56:28] Let's move to page 28.
[1:56:40] Any question here on page 28?
[1:56:43] Go ahead please.
[1:56:44] Yeah, just one of clarity on A3414100
[1:56:47] the captain in in 20. So I'm not clear
[1:56:52] why the um in 20 and 21 there was no
[1:56:56] actuals but then start seeing it in 20
[1:56:58] and 20 and 22
[1:57:00] uh and in 2021 you see there was 1000
[1:57:04] I see that
[1:57:05] but oh it's just on the wrong line
[1:57:07] because it's not
[1:57:08] well we don't want to mix it up we did
[1:57:10] it so you can see it better you focus on
[1:57:13] last year and this year
[1:57:14] okay all right
[1:57:15] for the salaries
[1:57:17] okay
[1:57:18] and as you can see because new contract
[1:57:21] the 2020 they went from 81,000 to 89,000
[1:57:24] because new contract went through. So
[1:57:28] okay, thank you.
[1:57:35] Any other question on page 20, please?
[1:57:38] Okay, page
[1:57:40] 29.
[1:57:45] Any
[1:57:50] question here? Yes. Go ahead. I'm just
[1:57:52] wondering why the 83415 1111 that the
[1:57:56] longevity um increased by about $6,500.
[1:58:04] Contractual uh this deputy chief is is
[1:58:08] going into his what is I think 15 here.
[1:58:13] No, I think he's close to 20 years and the new longevity rate has
[1:58:18] is almost 14%.
[1:58:20] Okay.
[1:58:24] [Music]
[1:58:28] Move to the next page. Page
[1:58:31] 30.
[1:58:37] Any
[1:58:40] [Music]
[1:58:43] questions on these few items? If not,
[1:58:46] there's nothing here.
[1:58:47] Thank you, chief.
[1:58:49] Thanks, Chief.
[1:58:50] Appreciate
[1:58:52] you. Do you want to do a couple of
[1:58:54] projects for for the fire department?
[1:58:56] Now, there you only got a couple items.
[1:59:01] Where were those?
[1:59:02] Capital projects.
[1:59:03] Oh, the capital projects, right? Yeah. I
[1:59:06] didn't hear it.
[1:59:09] Yep. Yep. Yep.
[1:59:13] You want to see them here?
[1:59:18] So, do you have the
[1:59:19] We do. Yes, we do.
[1:59:21] Just three three items.
[1:59:22] No, we do.
[1:59:26] Only three items should go quick. Go
[1:59:28] ahead, Chief. Explain this by
[1:59:32] So, the first one uh we were requesting
[1:59:35] to
[1:59:37] command vehicles, SUVs uh in there to
[1:59:40] replace two vehicles that are 17 years
[1:59:43] old.
[1:59:44] That's pretty basic.
[1:59:49] So, over the last few years, we've been
[1:59:50] trying to
[1:59:53] we do a really good job with our
[1:59:54] frontline vehicles. This is some of the
[1:59:58] other ancillary vehicles have gotten
[2:00:01] pretty old. So, the next item would be a
[2:00:04] U truck replacement. Currently, we're
[2:00:08] using the vehicle that we purchased from
[2:00:10] Jonesville Fire Department in 2018.
[2:00:13] Vehicle is 21 years old. It has u it's
[2:00:17] shown a lot of wear on the body. It's
[2:00:20] starting to have some mechanical issues.
[2:00:23] So, that would be a $90,000 vehicle. And
[2:00:27] we're hoping not to spend that much, but
[2:00:30] because of inflation, we're not really
[2:00:31] sure where we're going to end up. So,
[2:00:35] we think, you know, it may be a little
[2:00:36] bit less, but that's why we budgeted for
[2:00:38] that.
[2:00:40] And the last item
[2:00:42] is for extrication equipment. What we're
[2:00:46] using now is 10 years old. We have three
[2:00:49] separate units. Two of them are
[2:00:51] hydraulic and one is battery.
[2:00:57] Hydraulic um systems are really good
[2:01:01] with certain applications.
[2:01:03] battery applications are really good
[2:01:04] with other applications. So right now on
[2:01:07] truck one we have a hydraulic and a
[2:01:10] battery unit and on truck two we only
[2:01:12] have one hydraulic unit and they have
[2:01:16] reached the end of their life. So we are
[2:01:19] asking for
[2:01:22] two hydraulic units, two battery units
[2:01:24] and we would put one hydraulic one
[2:01:26] battery in truck one, one hydraulic one
[2:01:28] battery in truck two.
[2:01:30] And these these are
[2:01:32] Charles
[2:01:36] um
[2:01:39] so and then what we would do with what
[2:01:41] we have now
[2:01:43] that would be assessed and what can be
[2:01:45] used and what we can peace meal we would
[2:01:48] take that unit and put it on a spare
[2:01:49] truck.
[2:01:50] So now if the spare truck had a roll out
[2:01:53] it'd be ready to go.
[2:01:54] Great.
[2:01:57] Any question on
[2:02:00] the fire department?
[2:02:04] Thank you.
[2:02:12] Super.
[2:02:25] Yeah.
[2:02:27] [Music]
[2:02:30] This happened by
[2:02:33] [Music]
[2:02:40] we can have up there.
[2:02:45] Who's taking a hot seat?
[2:02:49] Chief is
[2:02:53] leaving.
[2:02:59] [Music]
[2:03:05] Bye-bye, chief. Thank you.
[2:03:13] No, he wants to get right out.
[2:03:16] Well, I think we should bring Chief
[2:03:19] here. This might be one of his last
[2:03:20] budgets.
[2:03:23] [Music]
[2:03:25] I put him right before my last play.
[2:03:28] He's really lucky.
[2:03:29] You going to work on something else?
[2:03:30] No. Mike Sber,
[2:03:33] he's a lot of help.
[2:03:40] Anthony, you want to give us a snapshot
[2:03:42] and then we'll go to um
[2:03:43] the the total the total police budgets
[2:03:46] of $696,000
[2:03:48] and 900 $696,31.
[2:03:53] But totally that's comes to a 2.96%
[2:03:56] increase, which is
[2:03:57] pretty pretty good.
[2:03:59] Uh the chief uh assistant chief whipple
[2:04:02] and Mike Seabber we worked
[2:04:06] this thing right out as close as we can
[2:04:08] get it. I got to give them a lot of
[2:04:10] credit
[2:04:12] but water
[2:04:15] there are some new positions and here
[2:04:20] right up. First thing I just have to say
[2:04:22] I did not again I did not give the
[2:04:24] Eugene div.
[2:04:28] All right. Now we can go
[2:04:32] I think we got it.
[2:04:33] So what page are we on?
[2:04:34] Chief you taking it page 17.
[2:04:36] Oh
[2:04:37] and chief you want to give us like a
[2:04:39] overview last year and then we'll go
[2:04:41] into
[2:04:44] Okay. Got it.
[2:04:45] Sure. So, I guess I'll just talk about a
[2:04:48] little bit what we've what we've gone
[2:04:50] through this year with our challenges.
[2:04:52] Um, crimes up and our staffing numbers
[2:04:55] are down and um we're working on them.
[2:04:59] We've had a lot of retirements. We've
[2:05:01] had a few lateral transfers. We've had
[2:05:03] some injuries and we've had good amount
[2:05:06] of people go into the military be
[2:05:09] deployed because of what's going on in
[2:05:10] the world. So, we have some staffing
[2:05:12] challenges while crime is up. But all in
[2:05:15] all, everybody's doing a great job.
[2:05:18] We're we're holding it together. We're
[2:05:19] not delivering the level of response
[2:05:22] that we want to. Um but on the
[2:05:25] investigative side, we've been doing a
[2:05:27] lot of really hard work. Um solving a
[2:05:30] lot of pretty good crimes and uh and
[2:05:33] trying to hold back some of the uh the
[2:05:36] bad things that have been happening in
[2:05:37] our neighboring communities and
[2:05:38] nationwide. We've been focusing on
[2:05:41] evidence-based policing strongly.
[2:05:44] Um, we have a really strong intelligence
[2:05:46] unit and I can't say enough about um,
[2:05:50] what they do, the work they do. We use
[2:05:53] technology where we tend to fill gaps
[2:05:56] where our personnel can't fill them. We
[2:05:58] rely on our partnerships that we've
[2:06:00] developed over the years with the
[2:06:01] county, the state, and the federal
[2:06:03] government.
[2:06:05] And uh what I see happening next year is
[2:06:07] it's going to be an exciting year. Uh
[2:06:10] thanks to to you uh improving our our
[2:06:13] transition to Axon, we're going to see a
[2:06:15] significant increase in the number of
[2:06:16] LPRs down the road and that's going to
[2:06:19] help us in many ways. Um we are we are
[2:06:24] going to be rolling out a police
[2:06:25] efficiency project that we've been
[2:06:27] working on with Transfinder.
[2:06:29] I don't have a lot of details right now,
[2:06:31] but that will be rolling out um later
[2:06:33] this year, early next year. That's going
[2:06:36] to be pretty exciting. It's basically a
[2:06:38] culmination of things that we've talked
[2:06:39] about in the past um with with trying to
[2:06:42] help our officers and uh with their
[2:06:45] efficiency on the road. Uh we are
[2:06:49] continue we continue to work on bu
[2:06:51] building out our real time analysis
[2:06:53] center in the police department where we
[2:06:56] we're using cameras that are deployed
[2:06:59] citywide
[2:07:00] um more effectively to help us uh deter
[2:07:05] crime in addition to solve crime.
[2:07:08] And uh we're hoping to we've run into a
[2:07:11] couple challenges, but we're hoping to
[2:07:13] uh increase our transparency on our
[2:07:15] website with giving more information out
[2:07:17] to the public on on what we do and why
[2:07:20] we do it. So our our total numbers right
[2:07:23] now, we're at 154 police officers. We
[2:07:27] should be at 164 with the addition of
[2:07:31] our community engagement officers in the
[2:07:33] schools and our um the the cops grant
[2:07:38] that we got and we anticipate uh with
[2:07:43] your approval uh going to 167 officers
[2:07:47] by adding those three additional
[2:07:49] community engagement officers for the
[2:07:51] school for next year. Um I should note
[2:07:54] that uh the cops grant and the community
[2:07:57] engagement officers are there's a
[2:08:00] combination of grant funding and school
[2:08:02] funding not 100% but a good amount most
[2:08:05] of most of which will cover the
[2:08:08] replacement officers and their lower
[2:08:10] salaries.
[2:08:12] Um the additions to this budget that
[2:08:14] we'll be talking about um is a budget uh aotment for training for
[2:08:21] anti-racism
[2:08:24] a an addition of two civilian
[2:08:26] personnels. one for it due to the amount
[2:08:30] of work that we have like to transition
[2:08:33] duties to a civilian that costs less so
[2:08:36] we don't have to pay a police officer
[2:08:38] that costs more to do the same work you
[2:08:41] have police officer do police work a uh
[2:08:45] civilian mental health coordinator which
[2:08:47] will help us uh coordinate uh all of our
[2:08:52] follow-ups on individuals that need
[2:08:54] mental health followup
[2:08:56] And also what we discussed earlier with
[2:09:00] the county task force uh uh our tradition of our lead analyst um
[2:09:09] from from our give analysts promoting
[2:09:11] one of the analyst to the give analyst
[2:09:13] and our lead analyst taking a more
[2:09:15] managerial role with uh with with
[2:09:18] organizing and running that unit.
[2:09:23] Okay. All right. So we can just go. You
[2:09:27] going to say anything? We can't do that.
[2:09:28] Don't
[2:09:31] late show.
[2:09:37] All right.
[2:09:39] So we'll move on page 17 and we'll just
[2:09:42] you know regular stuff and if you have
[2:09:45] question we'll ask the chiefs.
[2:09:48] A question.
[2:09:49] Go ahead please. So, um, the can you the
[2:09:53] mobile radio? Well, actually, it's back.
[2:09:55] That's yours, right? The mobile.
[2:09:57] No. Okay.
[2:09:58] Yes.
[2:09:59] That's on page 60.
[2:10:02] That is what
[2:10:04] the vehicle that we can park.
[2:10:06] No. No. What happened is um over the years we
[2:10:11] had a mobile radio district within the
[2:10:12] county. So all the members of all
[2:10:14] agencies within police um law
[2:10:16] enforcement were members of they had a
[2:10:18] budget and we ran our radio system and
[2:10:21] that was a um DHS type of system and
[2:10:25] over the years we used through the
[2:10:27] county and through the police
[2:10:28] departments we secured a a grant for
[2:10:30] upwards of 12 or 16 million with the
[2:10:32] county making up the differences $18
[2:10:34] million project um for the
[2:10:36] infrastructure of 800 megahertz radio
[2:10:38] system with that system. there there are
[2:10:41] certain licensing certain things that
[2:10:43] they have pushed down to the the city
[2:10:45] and and towns and that's our portion
[2:10:47] similar to what mobile radio district
[2:10:50] was before. So it's just our portion
[2:10:52] that but but we the new radios haven't
[2:10:54] cost us anything. The the whole $18
[2:10:56] million million project hasn't cost us
[2:10:59] anything. So this is kind of our our end
[2:11:01] of it as far as um what we're
[2:11:03] responsible financially
[2:11:05] and there's greater interoperability
[2:11:07] between agencies in this
[2:11:10] system that's in place now.
[2:11:11] Yeah. Not only that, you can communicate
[2:11:12] if we had a car pursuer had to assist
[2:11:14] with another agency, we can communicate
[2:11:16] uh flawlessly throughout the state now.
[2:11:18] And so it's it's a system we also become
[2:11:20] a hub that they wanted us to be um
[2:11:23] because our geographic location.
[2:11:24] somebody coming in from Buffalo,
[2:11:26] somebody come from New York City, we can
[2:11:27] actually our our our um um radio towers
[2:11:31] assist them as well. So, it benefited
[2:11:33] the state largely, but it benefited each
[2:11:36] local municipality as well.
[2:11:38] And and an additional benefit is it's a platform that can just grow
[2:11:43] tremendously. One of the things that
[2:11:45] they're focusing on for next year is to
[2:11:47] give a portable radio to every principal
[2:11:49] in every school
[2:11:50] so that in an emergency they'll be able
[2:11:52] to communicate
[2:11:58] So on line 83120 on page 17 um police
[2:12:03] and then something cm like community
[2:12:05] chaplain under ARPA for 12,000. Um what
[2:12:08] is that?
[2:12:09] We started it last year.
[2:12:12] Yeah, that's a uh that's that's a budget
[2:12:14] amendment that we put in there. We we
[2:12:15] have not done anything with it yet that
[2:12:18] this year, but we have a meeting
[2:12:19] schedule uh where we want to build a
[2:12:21] police chaplain program that's uh for
[2:12:24] the community. Uh the the one above it,
[2:12:26] which is the police chap, is for the
[2:12:29] police officers, but this would be a
[2:12:31] police chaplain program that we would
[2:12:33] have them out in the community engaging
[2:12:36] with the community, be there for um for
[2:12:38] the community. Should there be a
[2:12:40] traumatic event where we call for a
[2:12:41] chaplain, a member of the clergy will
[2:12:44] come there and be there for the
[2:12:45] community and uh they'll they'll partner
[2:12:48] with us. One of the things Lieutenant
[2:12:50] Mashon is working on with the city
[2:12:51] mission is to have them help us with
[2:12:54] dealing with our homeless
[2:12:56] and and finding them the resources that
[2:12:57] they need. So that that that's part of
[2:12:59] the plan and we uh we haven't got going
[2:13:03] as fast as we want to this year, but we have a we have we have a meeting
[2:13:07] scheduled.
[2:13:08] Nice. We were praying we could get off
[2:13:10] the ground.
[2:13:12] Sorry, my last one.
[2:13:18] So, in terms of because this kind of
[2:13:19] came up at a council meeting in terms of
[2:13:21] who would be on that list, will you will
[2:13:24] there be different faiths, people from
[2:13:26] different faith?
[2:13:27] Absolutely. Okay. That's that. Yeah, we will absolutely have different
[2:13:33] faiths, but I think the the whole
[2:13:35] program is really supposed to be more
[2:13:37] about just faith than the specific
[2:13:39] religion, but we'll absolutely have if
[2:13:41] somebody asks for a member of a certain
[2:13:43] faith, we we're going to do our best to
[2:13:45] have a member of every faith possible.
[2:13:47] Okay.
[2:13:48] Thank you.
[2:13:50] Go ahead, please. And just for
[2:13:52] clarification, how would the police
[2:13:54] community chaplain differentiate between
[2:13:56] the police chap
[2:13:58] um numbers, you know, not that, you
[2:14:02] know, I'm not saying that our the police
[2:14:03] chap
[2:14:05] will not be a part of this. It's just
[2:14:06] that he's very busy. He can't be
[2:14:08] everywhere at once. So, it'll be uh
[2:14:11] it'll be a force multiplier. We we found
[2:14:13] that at our last swearing in where
[2:14:15] somebody forgot to invite him. So,
[2:14:17] Hamilton was there. you pinch hit force
[2:14:20] in. And so that that's the whole that's kind of the concept is is really
[2:14:24] the force multiplier to have more than
[2:14:27] one chap.
[2:14:28] But also too is it the police more for
[2:14:31] police force itself or the community
[2:14:33] more victims or outreach.
[2:14:35] This will be a bridge this be a bridge
[2:14:36] between law enforcement communities.
[2:14:39] Thank you.
[2:14:43] mentioned I'm just going to ask
[2:14:44] again information technology specialist.
[2:14:46] I know you're currently utilizing the
[2:14:48] this the overall city IT department to
[2:14:52] assist your police department.
[2:14:55] Sometime back we we had a lieutenant R&D
[2:14:58] that will see and assist with IT work.
[2:15:01] Where is that
[2:15:03] position and support versus the new
[2:15:06] looking?
[2:15:07] He he he's still there and um so so this
[2:15:11] a lot of the things that he does we'd
[2:15:13] want a civilian to do. So, it's it's we
[2:15:16] want to try to clone Jan or Rosario and
[2:15:18] have them do a lot of the work that he's
[2:15:20] doing.
[2:15:21] Um, and then we would once we got that
[2:15:23] position up and running, we would look
[2:15:25] to have that position transition to
[2:15:28] we're not sure exactly what. I'd rather
[2:15:30] not say publicly what it's going to be,
[2:15:32] but we're looking to have that that that
[2:15:33] job transition to something uh that's
[2:15:36] very important in the police department.
[2:15:38] But currently, you you're getting the
[2:15:40] support from the IT department.
[2:15:41] Yes, we are. We just we just see that
[2:15:44] especially with bringing on Axon with
[2:15:46] all with with trying to work towards
[2:15:49] what the mayor's been asking us for
[2:15:50] which is to grab the data that's up in
[2:15:52] on the edge of every light pole bring it
[2:15:55] down and make it actionable that that's
[2:15:57] where we just we need more technical
[2:15:59] people. We if I can also we've embraced
[2:16:01] technology so much especially over the
[2:16:02] last five years you know just from
[2:16:04] administrative cost of of licensing and
[2:16:06] so forth but there's a lot of
[2:16:08] administrative actions that go on in
[2:16:10] Missouri can't have the time to do and
[2:16:13] the lieutenant does some of them not all
[2:16:15] because we kind of spread it out but
[2:16:17] just kind of brings it all together and
[2:16:18] gives us somebody on a daily basis that
[2:16:20] we can work with I I personally think
[2:16:22] it's very important you know to have
[2:16:23] this position because of technology that
[2:16:24] we're embracing so just as we expand so
[2:16:29] this salary point again is a good
[2:16:33] estimate but maybe on the low side in
[2:16:37] terms of what the skill set
[2:16:38] for technology
[2:16:39] would like.
[2:16:40] So once the once you get the civilian on
[2:16:44] to do this and with the sworn officer
[2:16:46] what would what happens then he or she
[2:16:49] I'm not sure it's which is those two how
[2:16:52] does how do their duties change if they
[2:16:54] won't be doing the information
[2:16:55] technology anymore? It'll be something connected, but just
[2:16:59] more focused on solving crime and and
[2:17:02] leading people rather than doing the the
[2:17:05] busy work, the you know, delivering a
[2:17:08] portable radio to somebody or helping
[2:17:10] somebody fix their computer that can't
[2:17:11] log on. A lot a lot of the things that are being done right now by this
[2:17:15] lieutenant
[2:17:16] could be done by a civilian that salary
[2:17:19] range. Meanwhile, we're not achieving a
[2:17:22] lot of the things that the mayor's been
[2:17:24] asking for or the council's been asking
[2:17:25] for. And that's what that lieutenant
[2:17:27] would be focusing more.
[2:17:28] A lot of R&D, research and development
[2:17:30] on certain projects that we have. Again,
[2:17:31] technology is changing so much within
[2:17:33] law enforcement, what we can gather.
[2:17:34] It's just kind of overwhelming for us
[2:17:37] nonIT people
[2:17:41] and the mental health specialist. You
[2:17:43] mentioned that
[2:17:43] just for me.
[2:17:46] Well, we all know that. Is this enough?
[2:17:49] No.
[2:17:51] I add another one.
[2:17:56] So you explain the roles and
[2:17:57] responsibilities and it's not going to
[2:17:59] be a sworn officer. Is that correct?
[2:18:01] Right. Um so where will they be? Where
[2:18:03] will they actually physically be located
[2:18:06] in the police department?
[2:18:07] They will be in the police department.
[2:18:08] And so their role would be to if
[2:18:11] something happened on site, they would
[2:18:14] then go to
[2:18:16] whatever the scene was. Is that it? or
[2:18:18] would they go on all calls?
[2:18:20] Yeah, we really what we found right now
[2:18:23] is that we're not having a problem with
[2:18:26] handling the scene. We're having a
[2:18:28] problem with the followup with what
[2:18:30] happens next.
[2:18:31] Okay.
[2:18:31] What do we do with them?
[2:18:33] So, what we're looking to do and and
[2:18:35] Lieutenant Mashall can speak a lot more
[2:18:36] intelligently on this than I can, but
[2:18:38] we're looking to have somebody who
[2:18:40] really is a case worker on our end that
[2:18:43] when we ask, "Well, what happened with
[2:18:45] this person?" They can say, "Oh, yeah.
[2:18:47] Well, we referred them to City Mission
[2:18:49] or Catholic Charities or New Choices and
[2:18:53] you know they're working with them and
[2:18:55] this is the contact there. So, so that
[2:18:57] when we're going to a scene and we know
[2:18:59] that they're there, we have the
[2:19:01] appropriate
[2:19:02] um case to really dive into to say,
[2:19:06] okay, well, what's going on with this
[2:19:07] person? So, they don't just kind of
[2:19:09] linger out in the community. We have a
[2:19:10] couple good examples of followup that
[2:19:13] Ryan and Nick did on individuals that
[2:19:16] became success stories.
[2:19:17] So, we're looking again to replicate
[2:19:19] that with a civilian rather than sworn.
[2:19:23] So, policing is a 24-hour day. And so,
[2:19:27] this is clearly this person can't work
[2:19:29] 24 hours. So, how about how's how's it
[2:19:32] cover the not 9 to5? It's outside of
[2:19:36] those times. We're hoping that if it's
[2:19:37] successful that we're here next year
[2:19:39] asking for two more or or whatever the
[2:19:42] whatever whatever we need, but yeah,
[2:19:43] this would just be to get us started. We
[2:19:45] recognize that there might be a need
[2:19:47] 24/7 that we need to fill.
[2:19:51] We still have protocols in place to
[2:19:53] refer the individual to a specific
[2:19:56] assistant health. this will be a lot
[2:19:57] more followup, a lot more but she
[2:19:59] referred to a couple successful cases
[2:20:01] that we had calls daily on some
[2:20:03] individuals that we no longer have
[2:20:04] because of we finally got them on the
[2:20:06] right track. It took a long time to get
[2:20:08] in there, but so we have a lot more we
[2:20:10] deal with more mental health issues now
[2:20:11] probably than ever. And so it's just to
[2:20:13] kind of really
[2:20:14] I I'm not gonna say it's a band-aid on
[2:20:16] everything, but at least it's a step in
[2:20:18] the right direction to get them moving
[2:20:20] in.
[2:20:22] And it almost sounds like it's a tool
[2:20:24] for you. Correct. So that you know where
[2:20:27] the individual is at all times. So it's
[2:20:30] not like you're going to call on this
[2:20:31] mental health person at 2 in the
[2:20:32] morning. um you're going to take your
[2:20:35] action with how you've been working it
[2:20:37] and then perhaps they do the followup
[2:20:39] and let you know and keep eye on where
[2:20:41] this individual is and how he or she's
[2:20:44] progressing.
[2:20:45] Exactly. It's a it's a resource for us
[2:20:48] that helps coordinate, has more
[2:20:50] knowledge about what to do. You know, we
[2:20:52] we're good at deescalation, but we're
[2:20:54] not very good with followup. That's
[2:20:55] where the individuals that we bring in,
[2:20:57] we know that they'll know how to follow
[2:20:59] up. For domestic violence, we run a
[2:21:01] multi-is disciplinary team where we
[2:21:03] bring all the players in a monthly
[2:21:05] meeting and talk about the individuals
[2:21:07] with the most needs. We'd like to do
[2:21:09] that similar setup for for mental health
[2:21:12] individuals so that you know again
[2:21:15] they're not forgotten. They're spoken
[2:21:17] about on a monthly basis and they get
[2:21:19] the help that they need.
[2:21:20] Yeah. Um just a comment last year when
[2:21:22] we were talking and this is Marty. we
[2:21:25] were more um heavy conversation toward
[2:21:28] consulting the mental health with an
[2:21:30] established agency and I think that was
[2:21:32] the heavy conversation towards last year
[2:21:35] into this year. So I want to know what's
[2:21:37] the difference between that? Are we not
[2:21:39] doing that or we just going to
[2:21:40] specialist? We still look for
[2:21:42] partnerships with existing organizations
[2:21:44] whether it's Ellis or other and some of
[2:21:47] it is
[2:21:49] what's appropriate for particular
[2:21:52] individual but the reality is need some
[2:21:55] of the staffing inhouse to be able to do
[2:21:58] the evaluation the followup and
[2:22:02] we'll call some of the appropriate
[2:22:04] management uh between those
[2:22:07] partnerships. No, exactly. That's
[2:22:10] correct. But at the same point, I mean,
[2:22:12] we can compliment by hiring someone, a
[2:22:14] specialist in house, but at the same
[2:22:16] time, we need to focus on consulting
[2:22:18] some of these mental health or that
[2:22:20] compliment the PD department by calling
[2:22:22] in and getting help. But but there's no
[2:22:24] way funded. So, I think we all can
[2:22:28] sometimes depending what the local
[2:22:29] services, there's other areas where the
[2:22:32] county would pay for it or other things
[2:22:34] where it's not the responsibility of the
[2:22:37] police department.
[2:22:40] Please.
[2:22:40] I was just wondering I I I think that um
[2:22:43] do we not still have a contract with um
[2:22:46] Northern Rivers or or some I think is
[2:22:48] that what you're talking about? Yes, we
[2:22:50] contract with and I think maybe it's
[2:22:51] under fees for service, but I'm not
[2:22:53] sure.
[2:22:54] I was just assuming it was a bad word,
[2:22:57] but
[2:22:59] very much the
[2:23:01] So, they are the contract that I think
[2:23:02] you're referring to that um we still
[2:23:05] have. So if you need mental health
[2:23:07] assistance, you call. So
[2:23:10] 247
[2:23:11] correct statement.
[2:23:13] They're one of the people we call one
[2:23:15] get depends on the
[2:23:17] [Music]
[2:23:19] back pattern of individual circumstances
[2:23:23] and what line are they?
[2:23:24] So if we have a consultant that they're
[2:23:27] calling or group and what is the purpose
[2:23:30] of the mental health specialist?
[2:23:33] They're they're the coordinator. So if
[2:23:35] you think of like a hub in Spokan where
[2:23:38] this person will be the hub and then the
[2:23:40] spokes are all our different resources.
[2:23:42] Northern Rivers, Catholic Charities,
[2:23:44] Ellis Hospital. One of the pro
[2:23:46] challenges we've run into is Northern
[2:23:49] Rivers are contracted with us and then
[2:23:50] they run into a staffing shortage.
[2:23:52] Yeah.
[2:23:53] Ellis Hospital has has a place for
[2:23:56] mental health and they'll call us up and
[2:23:58] say they're shut down. Bring them to
[2:23:59] Albony Med.
[2:24:01] um they shut down their facility on
[2:24:03] stage street for the children. So
[2:24:07] having that administrative support to
[2:24:09] say well where who are we calling today
[2:24:11] for this you know it's just a lot and
[2:24:13] Ryan and Nick are overwhelmed dealing
[2:24:15] with everything else so this person
[2:24:17] would be there for to support us and
[2:24:19] help help us really focus on
[2:24:22] coordinating everything. So it seems
[2:24:24] like this I mean like this person is a
[2:24:28] coordinator kind of a service navigator
[2:24:30] for um people um
[2:24:34] would this person um
[2:24:37] part of their job responsibility? Would they be expected to um show up to
[2:24:42] a call to maybe where there's a need um
[2:24:45] or you know there's some trouble dis uh
[2:24:47] just escalating someone or deescalating
[2:24:49] someone or things like that or would
[2:24:52] that kind of just their sole purpose and
[2:24:54] focus is just going to be resource
[2:24:56] navigation and and coordinating pardon?
[2:24:59] I don't think we have an answer for that
[2:25:01] yet. It depends on who we hire. Um it
[2:25:03] would it would have to be a clinician
[2:25:04] for us to send them to talk to somebody,
[2:25:07] you know. So, we wouldn't want to limit
[2:25:09] ourselves to say that we wouldn't hire
[2:25:11] somebody and then use them possibly,
[2:25:13] but we wouldn't want to say that that's
[2:25:15] definitely the model and then not be
[2:25:17] able to find that person and then sit
[2:25:19] back and wait.
[2:25:21] You know, we have domestic violence
[2:25:23] advocates within our building that
[2:25:24] actually have office space within our
[2:25:26] building and allows the officers to go
[2:25:28] and kind of pick their brains from time
[2:25:30] to time. this this person also be that link up with the officers that they
[2:25:33] can get that professional advice and
[2:25:35] then handle the call maybe differently
[2:25:36] or better suited to handle the call and
[2:25:39] then the followup is is the work that
[2:25:41] they're they would make sure that
[2:25:42] person's receiving the services that
[2:25:44] they need
[2:25:45] I think if I just so I there's a clear
[2:25:49] need for that that makes really good
[2:25:50] sense to me I guess
[2:25:53] then in my thought there might still be
[2:25:55] kind of a bit of a void there for that
[2:25:58] person that can be onsite support in the
[2:26:02] midst of a crisis, right? Like so I I
[2:26:04] don't now the way I'm looking at this,
[2:26:06] it seems like these are
[2:26:08] two very different needs like one is
[2:26:11] coordination, service navigation, that
[2:26:13] laid on between agencies and partnering
[2:26:15] uh community partners. But what about
[2:26:18] that in the- moment, you know, crisis
[2:26:22] response mental health professional that
[2:26:24] can
[2:26:26] support officers, people like that.
[2:26:29] going out on a call.
[2:26:30] Yeah. Yeah.
[2:26:32] That's something that we'd like to get
[2:26:34] to at some point for sure.
[2:26:36] I wouldn't northern do it now. That if
[2:26:39] staff is available,
[2:26:40] you know, to to assist with us. Again,
[2:26:43] this is growing. This is going to grow
[2:26:45] into I think almost its own unit at some
[2:26:47] point. We just don't have the luxury of
[2:26:49] having someone from Northern Rivers into
[2:26:51] our building right now that cannot kind
[2:26:53] of foster this program and make it
[2:26:55] better. So,
[2:26:56] and Chief, you would say that that
[2:26:59] It's something you like, but right now
[2:27:00] that's not the pressing need is what
[2:27:02] you're saying. So, okay.
[2:27:03] Yeah. It's almost like we got to get the
[2:27:05] program started. How do you walk before
[2:27:07] you give up?
[2:27:08] And we're we're talking about what
[2:27:11] happens in the city of Skenkity.
[2:27:14] Again,
[2:27:15] it's not just isolated here. It happens
[2:27:17] in the towns, other communities. And so
[2:27:20] some of this still has to be guided
[2:27:23] through the dispatch center. When these
[2:27:27] calls are evaluated, how do you manage
[2:27:29] it? How do you get the appropriate
[2:27:31] resources
[2:27:34] to the situation and best deal with it?
[2:27:38] So my question is around there um will
[2:27:41] this be an MSW or a CSW for that
[2:27:43] position particularly?
[2:27:46] But
[2:27:48] we um we haven't decid we haven't made
[2:27:51] that decision yet. We were going to rely
[2:27:53] on the county to help guide us on what
[2:27:55] the perfect person would requirements
[2:27:57] would be. We might even look to the
[2:27:59] county, see if there's anybody who wants
[2:28:01] to come work for us. But um yeah, if we
[2:28:05] could get an NSW for sure, we'd like
[2:28:07] that. I mean, I think the the higher the
[2:28:09] standards, the better, but we wouldn't
[2:28:11] want to limit ourselves to holding off
[2:28:13] until we found somebody, especially with
[2:28:16] what we budgeted, might not.
[2:28:18] Yes, that's going to be that would
[2:28:20] that's why I want to know. I mean, it's
[2:28:21] important that you have the person that
[2:28:22] has the best skill set for this, but
[2:28:24] also you're going to have to put in a
[2:28:26] salary that they're willing to come for
[2:28:27] that. So,
[2:28:28] I'm not sure that's it. If you want to
[2:28:31] do so,
[2:28:33] okay,
[2:28:34] any other question? Go ahead, please. So
[2:28:36] I think it's important to identify and
[2:28:38] then I I appreciate you adding this line
[2:28:40] and it's definitely very admirable. I
[2:28:42] think for anyone listening and for those
[2:28:44] that we carry this narrative to I think
[2:28:47] it's important to highlight what this line is not and it's not the end
[2:28:50] all solution like everyone recognizes
[2:28:52] that it's the starting point. I would
[2:28:55] say it's imperative to have a strategic
[2:28:57] direction and I'm careful to tell you
[2:28:59] what to do. You are the police chief
[2:29:01] sir. But I think from the individuals
[2:29:03] that I've heard in the community hearing
[2:29:05] and seeing this in your budget is
[2:29:08] amazing. But I think if everyone just
[2:29:10] comes with a different expectation for
[2:29:12] it, I think you can quickly overwhelm
[2:29:14] any candidate that you put into this
[2:29:15] because having the expectation of them
[2:29:17] to manage case loads of officers in
[2:29:20] addition to potentially having to go on
[2:29:22] calls, I think it sets someone up for
[2:29:24] failure. So I would say regardless of
[2:29:26] your intention for rolling this position
[2:29:28] out, I would absolutely urge community
[2:29:31] input, but definitely having a lane and
[2:29:35] reassuring the community that this is
[2:29:37] something that we are going to grow
[2:29:38] whatever that you should so choose to.
[2:29:42] That way people can understand how this
[2:29:44] is going to further develop like you
[2:29:46] know
[2:29:51] I agree.
[2:29:53] You have a question. Go ahead.
[2:29:54] I do. Not about that though.
[2:29:56] No, we'll try to go. Yeah. So, let's go
[2:29:58] down. If we don't have anything else on
[2:30:00] the top part, let's go to the bottom of
[2:30:01] that page. Page 17.
[2:30:03] We're still on page one.
[2:30:10] April 20.
[2:30:11] My my question um is line a
[2:30:16] 312121
[2:30:18] a part-time clerk part-time at 104. No,
[2:30:22] that that position represents five
[2:30:24] different positions within um
[2:30:26] Well, there's no number there.
[2:30:28] No, I realize that. Um these are
[2:30:30] positions that we actually have some
[2:30:31] retired police officers that's been
[2:30:34] so that's fine.
[2:30:36] Budget in pre previous years if you look
[2:30:37] at the full-time PDM it's just down to
[2:30:40] the timeline.
[2:30:42] Um yes, they do like they'll do um um
[2:30:49] I have their names here if you need
[2:30:50] them, but They basically work, you know,
[2:30:53] 15 to 20 hours a week for us.
[2:30:55] I was just wondering, it didn't have any
[2:30:57] numbers, so I put I put one there and
[2:30:59] that was just like crossing crossing
[2:31:02] bars. We don't put numbers in there for
[2:31:03] the crossing.
[2:31:04] Well, the reason is nothing have 17 in
[2:31:08] there and we want 18, but we're not
[2:31:10] increasing the pain. It's it's um finance because
[2:31:13] it's a tough time
[2:31:14] and it says singular. It said clerks. It
[2:31:17] would lead me to believe there more, but
[2:31:18] it says clerk singular.
[2:31:22] Okay. Bye.
[2:31:26] Any question on this part? Next page 80.
[2:31:37] Um, Miss Patrick,
[2:31:39] I think
[2:31:40] item down.
[2:31:41] Yeah, I think it's
[2:31:44] that we talked about
[2:31:46] in a minute. Um, aren't I on the next
[2:31:49] page?
[2:31:49] Yes, page 18120
[2:31:53] for
[2:31:54] I thought that was on page 19. But wait
[2:31:56] a minute, let me see.
[2:31:57] Oh, yeah. No, the um ARPA was just one
[2:31:59] big question that um
[2:32:01] No, I was just referring the $6,000 that
[2:32:03] she had at his disposal for the
[2:32:05] community events.
[2:32:06] Oh, I'm sorry.
[2:32:07] $500
[2:32:09] per event.
[2:32:10] Where is it? I'm sorry, Mr. M.
[2:32:13] Oh, yes. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep.
[2:32:16] the I see. Yep.
[2:32:17] And it's separate from the 25.
[2:32:19] Oh, I see. I see what you're saying.
[2:32:20] Yep.
[2:32:20] So, we did that separate so they have
[2:32:22] that that data disposal to spend that.
[2:32:24] Gotcha. Rather than lock it into
[2:32:27] somebody think that it's so high.
[2:32:29] Gotcha.
[2:32:29] So, we separated.
[2:32:31] Okay. Thank you for that, Claire.
[2:32:34] Chief, I'm going to ask you the same
[2:32:35] thing here that I asked you public
[2:32:37] safety foundation. Can you give us an
[2:32:39] update what is happening there and where
[2:32:41] are you with that?
[2:32:44] Yeah, we've been uh you know, part of
[2:32:47] the part of our philosophy here was was
[2:32:50] to uh to get our community engagement
[2:32:52] officers in the schools in place, which
[2:32:53] we did successfully. And I I've tasked
[2:32:57] uh I originally tasked Sergeant Lineer.
[2:33:00] Now I've tasked Sergeant Plow with
[2:33:01] really taking the lead on helping to
[2:33:04] build this out. One of the things that
[2:33:06] we did with it, um, again, wasn't as
[2:33:09] early in the year like I would have
[2:33:10] liked to, but we got the program started
[2:33:12] later in the year, is we we partnered
[2:33:15] with Will Rivas to put on the summerlong
[2:33:18] uh, athletic program. Started off with a
[2:33:20] discussion about helping us with summer
[2:33:22] night. It turned into a month of August um, event. and um you
[2:33:29] know and we we plan on doing more
[2:33:31] throughout the fall and in the winter
[2:33:33] and then turning the corner into the new
[2:33:35] year. We wanted we've already been
[2:33:37] talking about um
[2:33:40] program that the DEA puts on with
[2:33:42] basketball possibly with the Boys and
[2:33:44] Girls Club Friday night basketball and
[2:33:47] just doing things indoors like we did in
[2:33:50] August. So, that's that's what our plan
[2:33:52] is. And I didn't want to jump on uh Chief
[2:33:56] Marino's um defense too much, but a
[2:34:00] little flustered, but he he was a part
[2:34:02] of the conversation about the August
[2:34:04] plan. We we technically did talk about
[2:34:07] splitting the cost of it, but we never
[2:34:08] did.
[2:34:10] Well, he has a budget.
[2:34:11] He's got a budget. So, you should.
[2:34:14] Um but we you know, the other thing is that although we have the budget,
[2:34:17] which
[2:34:20] these the budgets that you give us the the ability to say yes to
[2:34:26] things, but we're still asking for for
[2:34:28] donations. So that's what we did in
[2:34:30] August. And so we said yes knowing that
[2:34:32] yeah, it might cost us 12,000, but then
[2:34:35] we got a whole bunch of donations. So it
[2:34:36] really only cost us half of that, maybe
[2:34:39] a little bit less. So it's given us the
[2:34:41] ability to say yes to more, still ask
[2:34:43] for donations and stretch this 25 31,000
[2:34:47] out as far as we can do. So, so based on
[2:34:50] your your projection of entering here
[2:34:53] with the this foundation and engaging
[2:34:55] the community with all these different
[2:34:57] scores, do you think 25,000 is adequate
[2:35:00] for your department?
[2:35:06] I'd say yes right now only because we we
[2:35:08] do um um fund it also with some private
[2:35:12] stuff for that. Yeah. So, we kind of
[2:35:13] married the two in the budget line
[2:35:15] worlds. We're just doing more and more.
[2:35:16] We got a slow start this year and that's
[2:35:18] what happened. So I can't say um we
[2:35:20] could use more. It always seems like you
[2:35:22] could by on the same token we got to
[2:35:24] manage what we have right now before um
[2:35:26] we can kind of grow just like some of
[2:35:28] the programs we're talking here. We're
[2:35:30] doing um scarcity you know we're going
[2:35:32] to buy some stuff for that goes around
[2:35:35] participate. I run a couple
[2:35:38] very fun.
[2:35:41] We followed you guys
[2:35:43] on the transfinder
[2:35:44] from place to place.
[2:35:45] The reason why I asked the question
[2:35:46] because you're putting all this effort
[2:35:48] into this program. If you don't have the
[2:35:50] funding, then it become useless to your
[2:35:52] department and wasting your time. So if
[2:35:54] we, you know, if we look at it and if
[2:35:57] there's additional funding, you should
[2:35:58] let us know and we can set aside
[2:36:00] additional funding so that you can carry
[2:36:01] this program successfully.
[2:36:03] We're just going to make sure fire
[2:36:04] department.
[2:36:06] What?
[2:36:06] We're going to build the fire department
[2:36:07] at 50%.
[2:36:11] He won't make eye contact with us.
[2:36:14] I will just ask the mayor to just press
[2:36:16] one.
[2:36:19] All right, that's any question.
[2:36:23] Any additional question on page 18?
[2:36:30] Cool. Go ahead. So, um I'm looking here
[2:36:33] at the anti-racism training. Um, is that
[2:36:36] a one-time training or is we looking to
[2:36:39] do that for every officer? And there's,
[2:36:43] you know, going to be some
[2:36:47] the um the conversations we've been
[2:36:49] having so far have revolved around
[2:36:51] bringing it in for for an immediate
[2:36:53] eight hour training with having followup
[2:36:56] refreshers every year, four hour
[2:36:58] refreshers. That's kind of what we do
[2:37:00] for all our other trainings. And then
[2:37:02] I'm also I'm the president of the
[2:37:04] academy. I've been having discussions
[2:37:06] about bringing into the police academy
[2:37:08] so that way we know when they come out
[2:37:10] of the academy we've had this training
[2:37:12] so then they could just do the
[2:37:13] refreshers. So that that's that's the
[2:37:15] that's where we're going right now with
[2:37:17] it and we um
[2:37:22] we're very close to saying we have our our vendor that's going to do it. We
[2:37:30] had conversation uh two days ago
[2:37:32] tomorrow we were in that meeting um we
[2:37:35] have about the the Underground Railroad
[2:37:38] putting it on. So I have my training
[2:37:41] sergeant following up with them and we don't even we don't even know numbers
[2:37:45] yet. This is the uh the this is a number
[2:37:49] that we had on a proposal that um we
[2:37:53] felt that if we had to go with that
[2:37:56] would have been only a one time thing.
[2:37:58] So, we're hoping that this money
[2:37:59] actually we pay less for the Underground
[2:38:01] Railroad that we have the ability for
[2:38:03] the refreshers. Also, I'm thinking that
[2:38:06] on having someone
[2:38:09] in house um to kind of like do some, you
[2:38:12] know, as these trainings and stuff grow
[2:38:14] growing, you know, there's
[2:38:16] programs that you can kind of train
[2:38:19] people um to do some turnkey stuff as
[2:38:22] well. um that might you know cut the
[2:38:26] cost but maintain um actually increase
[2:38:28] the uh efficiency and sustainability of
[2:38:32] that kind of that that
[2:38:33] training trainer type of thing.
[2:38:35] Yeah. Trainer trainers and I think
[2:38:39] suggestion just due to the nature of the
[2:38:40] training that it is facilitated by you
[2:38:43] know someone outside but you have those
[2:38:46] people inside that act as the support
[2:38:48] roles and can kind of run some of those
[2:38:50] professors throughout the year.
[2:38:54] again new program, you know, trying to
[2:38:56] grow it out. It's just trying to get our
[2:38:58] hands around to begin with is sometimes
[2:39:00] hard to first step.
[2:39:02] Chief, um I guess we a couple of us
[2:39:06] intended the training that you that you
[2:39:07] invited us to down into zone 5 where
[2:39:10] they had actually implicit bias training
[2:39:12] as part of that. Is that something
[2:39:14] that's continually ongoing as new
[2:39:17] recruits are coming through zone five or
[2:39:18] does that was just
[2:39:20] that that training is done in zone five.
[2:39:22] procedural justice and we have
[2:39:24] procedural justice one, two and three
[2:39:25] and I believe procedural justice three
[2:39:28] is the implicit bias training that
[2:39:31] okay
[2:39:32] so that is ongoing it starts at the academy
[2:39:36] on
[2:39:37] that's what I thought going to be% thank
[2:39:39] you
[2:39:42] question for the mayor may come dispatch
[2:39:46] I know I'm hold on this here what we
[2:39:48] supposed to say on this country dispatch
[2:39:52] Where is that?
[2:39:56] 404C4
[2:39:59] Conte dispatch. Are we supposed to be
[2:40:01] saving rather than spending more money
[2:40:03] on this?
[2:40:06] 1.991
[2:40:07] mil
[2:40:09] 18 almost at a top.
[2:40:11] It's 3120 404 state.
[2:40:14] I think some of that for they just
[2:40:15] settled new contract. I think part of
[2:40:17] that is a new contract that they had a
[2:40:19] lot of vacancies within the county. I
[2:40:21] don't want to speak for them, but
[2:40:23] there's a
[2:40:27] signed a contract
[2:40:29] uh that gave payraises and other things.
[2:40:32] It just becomes the ability to recruit
[2:40:35] and retain qualified employees.
[2:40:39] And
[2:40:41] I still believe that we are saving money
[2:40:43] and providing better service having the
[2:40:46] Consolidated dispatch
[2:40:51] question any question chief can you have
[2:40:54] all of it maintain
[2:40:58] I don't see your hand
[2:41:04] you put on this
[2:41:07] go ahead right
[2:41:08] chief I had a question about the
[2:41:09] maintenance contracts a3
[2:41:14] uh almost double Do you have like an
[2:41:16] explanation?
[2:41:17] I can explain this one. Last year when
[2:41:19] we did it, um
[2:41:22] it got reduced more than we intended. We I I had actually transfer money to
[2:41:26] this line this year up to upwards almost
[2:41:28] $100,000 90 some thousand dollar to
[2:41:30] cover the cost. This 265 is is we have a
[2:41:34] um you know our administrative expense
[2:41:36] sheet that we actually probably justify
[2:41:38] a lot of these fines and and these are
[2:41:39] pretty much hard numbers but maintenance
[2:41:41] agreements have been going up. And again
[2:41:43] the technology we talked about before
[2:41:44] this is all different fees for licensing
[2:41:47] fees for maintenance agreements on
[2:41:49] certain softwares and um unfortunately
[2:41:52] it was just very under budget in 2022.
[2:41:54] So we did transfer money we live within
[2:41:56] our budget here but it just um this is
[2:41:58] just make a more accurate number.
[2:42:03] Any other question on this?
[2:42:07] Oh okay. Yeah that's
[2:42:11] so you have officers
[2:42:14] um
[2:42:15] with funding go through ARA. So that
[2:42:18] again you know relates to my question
[2:42:19] what do we do?
[2:42:21] It's the same I think same answer right
[2:42:24] I think it's for Anthony but
[2:42:26] for quote yes our proportion of the
[2:42:28] inspector
[2:42:29] no I'm talking about 833 100 except one
[2:42:33] officers 10
[2:42:34] oh yeah oh yeah those are
[2:42:38] 10 officers those are the 10 officers
[2:42:41] coming uh
[2:42:43] from these are the 10 officers that were
[2:42:46] filling positions.
[2:42:47] Yeah. This is just replacement, you
[2:42:49] know, the co care when we went down
[2:42:52] retirements and so forth that ARPA
[2:42:54] allows us to replace under the rules. Um
[2:42:57] I I think the question is how that's the
[2:43:00] question is the question is what happens
[2:43:01] after no and we're aware of that and
[2:43:04] conscious of it. You know, from a police
[2:43:05] department, it's a little hard. We're
[2:43:06] not in a revenue making business, but I
[2:43:08] do think Anthony spoke about before our
[2:43:10] revenues have said steady increase I
[2:43:13] think are going to go further. We've
[2:43:15] taken on some initiatives within our
[2:43:16] traffic division for instance just over
[2:43:18] the past few months and and generated um
[2:43:20] probably another
[2:43:22] 50 or 60% of of fine tickets and this is
[2:43:25] gain compliance, you know, and that
[2:43:27] we're we're hitting our heavy accent
[2:43:30] areas within the city and writing more
[2:43:31] tickets. Um and the cause is the reason
[2:43:34] we're doing it is not for the fine
[2:43:35] portion of it but for the um try to
[2:43:37] reduce accidents but at the same portion
[2:43:40] same time there's a benefit as far as
[2:43:42] revenues coming you know they get
[2:43:44] tickets and so forth
[2:43:46] and want gain compliance but um there's
[2:43:48] other things within there we're
[2:43:49] constantly looking for grant monies you
[2:43:50] know with through federal governments
[2:43:52] and stuff and we've been very very
[2:43:53] successful over the years but I'm hoping
[2:43:55] some eventually we can make that pitch
[2:43:57] as well.
[2:43:58] And again, this goes with the fire
[2:44:00] department. They're so uh under man,
[2:44:02] this is actually just bring them up to
[2:44:04] where they were prior. And then you'll
[2:44:07] see in the next two years, they'll be at
[2:44:08] that number. They would not be getting
[2:44:10] 10 15 guys a year, you know, going
[2:44:12] through the cate going down about,
[2:44:14] excuse me, down to four or three or
[2:44:16] whatever.
[2:44:19] It's not the number that I'm concerned
[2:44:20] about. It's just like now that we had
[2:44:22] 10. Yeah.
[2:44:23] And then our money is no more.
[2:44:26] How will we continue to pay
[2:44:28] if we can maintain a steady number? Our
[2:44:30] problem is we just had over the past
[2:44:31] couple years a lot of retirements. What
[2:44:33] I'm getting at is the overtime lines.
[2:44:34] The only the only real areas that we can
[2:44:36] kind of save. Okay. How can we save
[2:44:38] money? I think if we see Phil if we get
[2:44:40] the 167 we're always playing catchup in
[2:44:42] police department and it creates
[2:44:43] overtime and it's just a compounding
[2:44:45] factor. Got a good point. If we can if
[2:44:47] we can get these true numbers up here
[2:44:49] and have that stability of of officers
[2:44:52] stay and not leave one particular year,
[2:44:54] you I think we'll see reduction in the
[2:44:55] overtime. Um but that's really kind of
[2:44:58] where we have to attack internally. It's
[2:44:59] hard for us to attack externally say we
[2:45:01] can raise funds this way because that's
[2:45:03] not our our you know task or mission.
[2:45:09] Yeah. More manpower be less officers
[2:45:11] working overtime and so forth.
[2:45:13] That makes sense. That kind of leads me
[2:45:14] to the other question because I did ask
[2:45:16] why is there more of the time with more
[2:45:17] office?
[2:45:18] Yeah, if I can recall last year
[2:45:22] vacancies.
[2:45:24] I'm sorry. Sorry. If I can recall last
[2:45:26] year when we were hiring new officers
[2:45:29] into this year, you had mentioned to us
[2:45:31] that by hiring these new officer will
[2:45:34] technically reduce over time. But if you
[2:45:36] look on page 19, overtime is going up on
[2:45:40] this line by A3122112.
[2:45:44] Mhm.
[2:45:45] Over time is going up despite the fact
[2:45:47] that we're hiring our about approved
[2:45:51] additional officers by 400,000.
[2:45:54] No, it's not really
[2:45:57] down from 2021.
[2:45:59] You got to combine the two overtime.
[2:46:01] They are money.
[2:46:02] No, I'm talking about comparing last
[2:46:03] year's budget. So this year I'm hiring
[2:46:06] me officers.
[2:46:07] Well, at the end of this year when you
[2:46:09] see what actual expenses, they don't
[2:46:10] understand.
[2:46:13] So my thing is that
[2:46:16] no trying to get a more realistic
[2:46:18] budget.
[2:46:18] Yeah.
[2:46:21] What happens is, you know, we had a
[2:46:23] large large amount of retirements last
[2:46:25] year. Like we we took a big impact
[2:46:27] budget wise from our our buyouts. you
[2:46:29] know, 20 years ago when the contract was
[2:46:30] signed to have take away unwilling the
[2:46:32] sick time, which, you know, was really a
[2:46:34] good thing because Officer Shmore, they
[2:46:35] finally hit that 20 year mark where now
[2:46:37] they start retiring. We have to uh pay
[2:46:39] them out. We increased some of those
[2:46:41] lines this year um through the through
[2:46:44] the unused sick time, unused vacation
[2:46:46] time, but we actually paid
[2:46:49] almost three times as much as we had
[2:46:51] budgeted um within this 2022 budget. 200
[2:46:55] people that retired this year.
[2:46:56] We think it's caught up to itself now.
[2:46:58] We're not have you know as many
[2:47:00] retirements next year. we just happen to
[2:47:01] have a plateau where a number of people
[2:47:03] at 20 plus years and um that drives your
[2:47:06] overtime though again factor if we don't
[2:47:09] have the officers now we have a lot of
[2:47:10] officers in the academy graduating
[2:47:11] academy we had two academy classes going
[2:47:13] on at once hiring I mean there there's a
[2:47:15] lot of she referred to numbers with
[2:47:17] people on military leave people on um
[2:47:20] other other medical workers comp and
[2:47:22] stuff our workers comp numbers are
[2:47:24] actually very manageable now I really
[2:47:25] kind of proud the officers as far as
[2:47:27] we've really kind of brought those in as
[2:47:28] far as work comps and 207c's officer
[2:47:31] related injuries, but every time an
[2:47:32] officer goes down, it compounds over
[2:47:34] times and that's kind of really
[2:47:36] unfortunately that we're attacking it,
[2:47:37] but it just it's a there's a lot of
[2:47:40] angles, a lot of fingers that touch it.
[2:47:41] So,
[2:47:45] it's not that we raised it, just being
[2:47:47] more realistic.
[2:47:48] No, no, I understand I understand the
[2:47:49] whole concept of it, but it's just that
[2:47:51] um you know, the whole talk was last
[2:47:53] year this year was hire more officer
[2:47:55] reducing over time, but we're not seeing
[2:47:57] any savings. So if that was what I'm
[2:47:59] trying to get because even even though
[2:48:01] our to's higher, we haven't we're we're
[2:48:04] 10 we're down 10 now. We just haven't
[2:48:06] been able to close that gap.
[2:48:07] That's what I was man That's what I was
[2:48:09] wondering though. Even though we said we
[2:48:12] increased the number of officers, did we
[2:48:15] actually fill all those spots?
[2:48:16] There's still right now there's nine
[2:48:18] there's four that come off the training
[2:48:20] this week and there's still 13 from the
[2:48:22] training. So we we did hire some but
[2:48:24] they don't count as yet. So
[2:48:26] and then when you take that number, we
[2:48:27] have 154 active officers right now
[2:48:30] payroll budget for 164 basically. So
[2:48:32] we're actually here, but then the the
[2:48:34] eight or so he just spoke about are not
[2:48:36] considered staffing yet. So they again
[2:48:38] these numbers it gets very confusing.
[2:48:39] So it wouldn't affect the overtime I
[2:48:40] guess in terms of what Mr. Mutar is
[2:48:42] asking about not yet full-fledged
[2:48:45] officers and then over time would go
[2:48:47] down because then we have that staff.
[2:48:49] Yeah, want to see that
[2:48:52] happen
[2:48:53] just from a mathematical equation when
[2:48:54] this chief said it does it does our
[2:48:56] staffing can stay up consistently at our our table organization then yes that
[2:49:01] number would be driven down because you
[2:49:03] have certain amount of manh hours being
[2:49:05] deployed within the police department
[2:49:07] but when you drop that number it
[2:49:08] compounds it compounds over time
[2:49:11] if I'm saying it right
[2:49:13] the contract of the PBA is up December
[2:49:16] 31st
[2:49:18] So, you're going to adopt a budget, but
[2:49:20] I some point come back to you and say
[2:49:23] you're going to have to amend it.
[2:49:24] Yeah. All right. I had a question on um
[2:49:32] No, my question got answered.
[2:49:33] There's an item here for 92. Oh, sorry.
[2:49:36] It's 8312212-085.
[2:49:41] I think it's it's intense that they're
[2:49:43] working with the fire department.
[2:49:46] That thing that Dr.
[2:49:47] Yeah. hidden in that column. What is it
[2:49:49] actually?
[2:49:50] It's
[2:49:54] that what Chief Marino was talking. Yes.
[2:50:01] Okay.
[2:50:01] One thing also I can say in that with
[2:50:04] the tactical medical we're trying to
[2:50:05] there's not an accreditation for SWAT
[2:50:08] teams. There's what they call
[2:50:09] certification or SWAT team
[2:50:11] certification. Um, one of the
[2:50:13] requirements is to have a a medical
[2:50:15] personnel staff on all all call outs for the tactical team. We're very close
[2:50:20] to receiving that certification. And the
[2:50:22] reason I bring it up now is is this is a summing point that we've had to not
[2:50:27] receive it. Once we get that in place, I
[2:50:29] believe everything will be up to speed
[2:50:30] on on getting the certification. With
[2:50:32] that certification, it allows us to
[2:50:34] apply for certain grants. We can't apply
[2:50:36] for them until we have a certification.
[2:50:37] So as as weird as it may sound, so that
[2:50:39] will actually be funding behind this
[2:50:41] money um as soon as we get the
[2:50:43] certification every year they have a
[2:50:44] couple grants that come out that for
[2:50:46] certified um tactical teams that can
[2:50:49] only apply. So
[2:50:52] I'll make sure I call chief to remind
[2:50:54] them.
[2:50:57] All right. And any question on this?
[2:50:59] Yeah, just one quick question on
[2:51:01] A3122121.
[2:51:04] Um the what's what's the special police
[2:51:06] officer?
[2:51:07] What's the roles of responsibility?
[2:51:09] There's one downstairs. They're the ones
[2:51:11] there's the ones walk they have a title
[2:51:14] of civil service title special police
[2:51:15] officer. Okay. And it comes they have to
[2:51:17] have so much year as a law enforcement
[2:51:19] officer I believe three years. There's
[2:51:21] some criteria that they have but it also
[2:51:23] gives them almost like a peace officer
[2:51:24] status. It's not quite peace officer but
[2:51:26] so so that's why we have special
[2:51:28] officers.
[2:51:29] All right. Thank you.
[2:51:30] And they all worked with us before so
[2:51:31] they're kind of special to us.
[2:51:36] You're putting yourself in trouble
[2:51:40] for crossing guard. So we're looking to
[2:51:41] raise their their salaries to $17 an
[2:51:44] hour right now.
[2:51:46] Nice.
[2:51:46] Yeah.
[2:51:47] That way we can try, you know, attract
[2:51:49] more people that have our police force.
[2:51:52] So our parking guys do the crossing.
[2:51:55] Yeah, we've been um crossing guard
[2:51:58] program. It's it's
[2:52:00] hours out many hours a day. We're having
[2:52:02] some trouble getting up the staff. I
[2:52:04] mean, we're doing pretty good right now.
[2:52:06] I believe we're recently.
[2:52:08] Yeah, we're getting there. But we still
[2:52:10] have the incentive that they show up so
[2:52:11] many times they get that little bonus.
[2:52:17] Okay, let's move to page 20.
[2:52:30] Chief, can you just explain? Does
[2:52:32] anybody have a crime analyst supervisor?
[2:52:35] That is from 16,000 to 96,000.
[2:52:39] That was my
[2:52:40] That's a crime analyst.
[2:52:41] Yes.
[2:52:42] You want to explain that to the county?
[2:52:45] Oh,
[2:52:46] the county was um before now that's
[2:52:50] met Douglas and she's coming over. He's
[2:52:52] going to be the supervisor of the
[2:52:53] analysts. We moved they were paying for
[2:52:56] a portion of them and now we have to pay
[2:52:58] for the full portion.
[2:52:59] Yeah. some of some of it paid for with
[2:53:01] grant funding also through GIF which
[2:53:03] this is still give if you look at I know
[2:53:05] Anthony said our budget um request is
[2:53:07] $600 some um additional 661,000 but we
[2:53:12] also raised our revenues by 336,000
[2:53:15] I believe but with that with that some
[2:53:18] of the give money was placed in there
[2:53:19] our give money was up and so that just
[2:53:21] kind of offsets some of these these
[2:53:23] numbers that you see here
[2:53:28] that that was my
[2:53:31] Yeah, I just went up.
[2:53:36] [Music]
[2:53:40] We probably all caught that one.
[2:53:43] Yeah. Any question on page 20?
[2:53:47] No.
[2:53:48] Oh, sorry.
[2:53:52] Could you uh explain to you what CMYK
[2:53:55] refers to?
[2:53:57] I can if you want. It's just that's for
[2:53:59] our detectives. Um Oh,
[2:54:01] we'll line you on here. Um 115.
[2:54:03] Yes, 115. We we have uh um every week
[2:54:08] and on weekends detectives on call and
[2:54:10] then they get on standby pay. It's
[2:54:12] basically equivalent of three hours of straight time or overtime, I can't
[2:54:15] remember. Um so if you do the
[2:54:17] calculations, I can get you the
[2:54:19] calculations. Um it's 52 weeks a year.
[2:54:21] We have to pay I believe it's three
[2:54:23] hours Monday through Friday and there's
[2:54:25] three hours for weekends and that's just
[2:54:26] a they're mandated to come in. So it's that's
[2:54:35] any other question please go ahead.
[2:54:36] So for court court overtime that's just
[2:54:38] when officers have to go to court
[2:54:40] testify or
[2:54:42] correct. Yeah, we we've seen a drop in
[2:54:44] that over the past since co um and
[2:54:46] there's lot don't know if that's going
[2:54:48] to go up at some point but we can't
[2:54:50] forecast it right now is going up for
[2:54:51] next year they don't
[2:54:53] the reality is it's probably going to
[2:54:55] move up
[2:54:56] this is just hard to forecast this year
[2:55:00] we could justify raising it
[2:55:05] any other questionable
[2:55:08] please
[2:55:10] no
[2:55:11] That's good. So we have one item on this
[2:55:14] page invest.
[2:55:18] Any other question on this? I think we
[2:55:21] have
[2:55:21] lead program or lead attorney
[2:55:24] lead program.
[2:55:28] The lead program uh is it's it's
[2:55:35] going to happen. It hasn't started yet.
[2:55:37] So we had the funding last year that we
[2:55:39] have not even sent over yet. and we made
[2:55:41] a decision that we were going to send
[2:55:43] the money to the county,
[2:55:46] let them run to have a contract before
[2:55:48] we do that,
[2:55:49] but we we kind of said that we don't
[2:55:51] need to fund it for next year because
[2:55:53] last year's funding wasn't used yet. So
[2:55:55] then we we'll have to see how the
[2:55:58] program runs for the 2024.
[2:56:03] So our plan is if we don't get a
[2:56:05] contract, we're going to income the
[2:56:06] money so that we can hold it and move
[2:56:10] it. going forward
[2:56:12] and I think we'll probably have
[2:56:14] something in place by the end of the
[2:56:15] year. The numbers will work
[2:56:18] with what's there or pretty close.
[2:56:24] I think Go ahead.
[2:56:25] Well, just one final question about the
[2:56:27] Axon, the officer safety plan. So, um
[2:56:31] that I know that there's no no money
[2:56:33] here because I know it's paid for. So,
[2:56:35] that would we talked about the body
[2:56:36] warning cameras because I thought I saw
[2:56:38] a cost in here, but I can't find it now.
[2:56:40] body cameras.
[2:56:42] So capital.
[2:56:46] So um I thought my understanding was
[2:56:48] this covered those and so I'm I'm not
[2:56:50] really understanding why I'm seeing it
[2:56:52] additional
[2:56:55] threeear plan. This is the third year
[2:56:58] capital
[2:57:01] again capital but yes
[2:57:04] but the capital that's not just funding
[2:57:05] it says by kind of funds all the
[2:57:08] computers within the department we
[2:57:09] replace a lot of older I know the fire
[2:57:11] chief's talking about all those cars 17
[2:57:14] year old cars we have a lot of computers
[2:57:16] 10 11 years old just outdated with non
[2:57:18] detective division stuff so we two years
[2:57:20] ago we had a three-year plan this is the
[2:57:22] final year of that three year plan so
[2:57:23] it's not just body
[2:57:26] infrastructure as far as IT and
[2:57:27] computers are concerned. That's not
[2:57:29] the will pay for a portion of Axon.
[2:57:32] Yeah. And we'll pay for it.
[2:57:33] Yeah. Well, yes. The first we have the
[2:57:36] funding right now for first couple years
[2:57:38] as we talked for Axon program
[2:57:41] because my understanding was that the
[2:57:43] Axon program can't use the existing body
[2:57:45] cameras that you have now. So that's why
[2:57:47] I was wondering why we're paying.
[2:57:49] Yeah. No, no, no. We can get into that
[2:57:52] just by waiting until we get the
[2:57:53] capital.
[2:57:53] Okay. All right.
[2:57:56] Thank you.
[2:58:00] We're going to have animal control.
[2:58:04] So, we'll just go to page 30.
[2:58:08] Animal control and we'll complete.
[2:58:12] [Music]
[2:58:17] Yes.
[2:58:25] Go ahead.
[2:58:25] Um fees for service
[2:58:28] 55,000. I just didn't know.
[2:58:30] Yes. So we we contracted with Mohawk
[2:58:32] Hudson last year.
[2:58:34] Um so now
[2:58:36] we are getting we before we we were
[2:58:39] housing the dogs on street
[2:58:41] down there and after a certain amount of
[2:58:43] time we would have to try to find homes
[2:58:45] for the dogs. We have to try to leave.
[2:58:46] Now I think I was go to W Hudson. They
[2:58:49] care for them. They they walked several
[2:58:52] times a day that there's a a lot of good
[2:58:54] stuff they're doing. So,
[2:58:56] and just so you know, the the fees were
[2:58:58] escalating every month. So, we had a
[2:59:00] series of meeting Mohawk Hudson and
[2:59:02] obviously they're the professionals in
[2:59:03] the business. And then we uh came in
[2:59:05] with a number monthly. So, no matter how
[2:59:07] many animal dogs we bring there, it's a
[2:59:10] lot. Doesn't matter how many days they
[2:59:11] stay. We've been running problems with
[2:59:13] um animals that were assigned because of
[2:59:16] courts. We couldn't lease them for
[2:59:17] months and months and months and we just
[2:59:19] can't house them at our at our facility
[2:59:21] down here. We still use this as like an
[2:59:22] emergency holding area for 24 hours, but
[2:59:25] something that we can give them the dogs
[2:59:26] and also the dogs are more likely to be
[2:59:29] adopted. Yeah.
[2:59:31] And cared for
[2:59:32] better.
[2:59:34] Do we have these two position filled?
[2:59:36] One is filled, one is not.
[2:59:40] We are looking for one. We've uh we had
[2:59:43] some interviews and I had some people
[2:59:45] not show up for interviews. So, but we are currently looking for one.
[2:59:51] Go ahead, please.
[2:59:52] And I know that they're not available on
[2:59:54] weekends.
[2:59:56] So, right now she's off um s Sundays and
[2:59:59] Mondays.
[3:00:00] Oh, Sundays and Mondays.
[3:00:01] Yeah. So, she works Tuesday or Saturday.
[3:00:02] Currently,
[3:00:03] I've had to call different times and
[3:00:05] they're not available and we just kind
[3:00:06] of hold on to the animal. So, Monday.
[3:00:09] Yes. So with the other um once we hire
[3:00:11] you stagger the hours schedule so that
[3:00:16] gets
[3:00:19] take the job.
[3:00:22] Is that a flat amount that we pay
[3:00:25] regardless? It's not like if we go over
[3:00:26] so many dogs then we got to pay a little
[3:00:29] extra. Okay. What happens we saw it over 20 end of 2021 beginning in 2022 it
[3:00:34] just keep on escalating and we were
[3:00:36] working with them very closely just
[3:00:37] because dog care became a task you know
[3:00:41] and especially without not many
[3:00:43] accomplishers
[3:00:45] so we had a series of meetings with them
[3:00:47] just to help them refine it help us out
[3:00:49] and then uh we really did this as a
[3:00:51] budget saver and because our cost kept
[3:00:54] on escalating to well over
[3:00:57] but now we have no worry we can bring
[3:00:58] them out there more often we have on um
[3:01:00] if there's dog needs care with another
[3:01:02] vet, we have a a cap on how much they
[3:01:05] can do before we you know um have to
[3:01:07] give the okay, you know, because
[3:01:09] sometimes animals come in very wounded
[3:01:10] and we have to make that termination.
[3:01:12] So, just it's very complicated, but from
[3:01:15] a budget standpoint, I'll speak to a
[3:01:16] budget standpoint more for it just make
[3:01:18] budget sense that a contract even though
[3:01:20] it's it's high, it's a lot of money, but in the long run, I think it's a a
[3:01:24] great benefit to the animals in in the
[3:01:25] city. It's a fair deal
[3:01:29] at all cost and doing some stuff. You
[3:01:31] know, Sam Kirkoff's working on the
[3:01:34] licensing side. So, it's again promoting
[3:01:36] the proper care and ownership of
[3:01:41] animals,
[3:01:42] but does the the clerk's office also do
[3:01:45] the redemption side,
[3:01:47] right?
[3:01:47] So, but there's no there's no revenue
[3:01:51] that's generated as a result of that.
[3:01:53] There's Yeah. on the redemption.
[3:01:56] If there's a line to know what
[3:01:57] redemption what you need
[3:02:00] for signing on to take your dog in
[3:02:03] custody for something.
[3:02:06] So the answer is we are there isn't
[3:02:09] revenue that goes to the clerk's office
[3:02:10] for that.
[3:02:11] There is a minimal at this point.
[3:02:12] Well, it goes into
[3:02:14] the revenue
[3:02:16] if if you look at if you look at
[3:02:18] but it goes Yeah, but it goes into I'm
[3:02:20] saying does it go like directly to the
[3:02:22] clerk's budget? I understand goes in
[3:02:24] general fund.
[3:02:25] No, it goes well
[3:02:27] everything goes into the general fund
[3:02:29] and then it's allocated back out to the
[3:02:31] park. There's not
[3:02:32] anything there's a revenue line item for
[3:02:34] it. Um the one of the issues that we
[3:02:37] have right now is especially now with
[3:02:38] this contract that we have a monthly
[3:02:40] fee. How do we determine what the cost
[3:02:41] is? So we're working with the
[3:02:43] corporation council to try and probably
[3:02:44] come to our city council with another
[3:02:46] proposal of setting fees um for how long
[3:02:48] we keep it the dollars and stuff like
[3:02:50] that. So, we're kind of working through
[3:02:52] that right now, but it's um No, we just
[3:02:55] got to figure out the cost of doing
[3:02:56] business.
[3:02:57] Just trying to get the other that other
[3:02:59] body that she needs.
[3:03:01] Also, it's about her and us.
[3:03:04] So, right now, I understand like so that
[3:03:08] the dog control officer, they're not
[3:03:11] if they're on their days off, other
[3:03:13] officers aren't necessarily able to
[3:03:16] respond to like those type of situations
[3:03:17] or
[3:03:18] so they do. So we have a few officers
[3:03:19] that work closely with the initial
[3:03:21] officer now um that gone through some of
[3:03:23] the trainings. Actually I went to some
[3:03:24] of them myself before um and then but
[3:03:27] she's not there. So, if it's a somebody
[3:03:29] that did a child and we we try to call
[3:03:32] her, we try to recall her and if she's
[3:03:33] not coming in, then one of the officers
[3:03:35] will go um we have our lieutenants
[3:03:38] oversee her and he's usually responds
[3:03:41] and and helps out with that until it
[3:03:42] comes so she's able to follow up with.
[3:03:45] But yeah, right now if it's if it's off
[3:03:47] hours, it's hopefully she comes in. If
[3:03:49] not, then there are a few of us that are more trained than others.
[3:03:53] Gent
[3:03:55] calls and we'll probably wait on them.
[3:03:56] Yes, those will go.
[3:04:00] Good job.
[3:04:01] All right, I think that's good. We just
[3:04:03] move on to Since you're here, capital.
[3:04:06] Oh, parking. Parking first.
[3:04:14] What is it? I'm sorry.
[3:04:16] 83320.
[3:04:26] I'm sorry I I have to ask um I know a
[3:04:28] few um individuals in the city that care
[3:04:30] for dogs or do dog training. Would you
[3:04:33] be open to creating a predium aspect of
[3:04:36] it? I'm trying to think of individuals
[3:04:38] to apply for that type of role. Would
[3:04:40] you be open to kind of those changing
[3:04:42] details? So I if it's okay I mean I
[3:04:45] definitely am u we used to have a
[3:04:48] part-time anal before um due to contract
[3:04:51] stuff you know there's a primary anal
[3:04:54] officer gets preference on coming in and
[3:04:56] things like that but if there's somebody
[3:04:58] that's interested absolutely I would um
[3:05:02] I think we there was a list and I think
[3:05:04] we reached out to everybody on the list
[3:05:05] now there is
[3:05:06] well yeah there was civil service list
[3:05:08] we we exhausted the list as we say
[3:05:10] meaning actually we had some no shows
[3:05:12] Yes.
[3:05:12] Um some one person we wouldn't consider.
[3:05:16] So
[3:05:18] yeah, if you know somebody, we would
[3:05:20] definitely be interested in speaking
[3:05:21] with him because we'd like to have that
[3:05:23] position filled.
[3:05:24] Yeah. On a full-time basis, we'll be
[3:05:25] offering a test probably again this
[3:05:27] year, early next sometime early next
[3:05:29] year through civil services. It does,
[3:05:31] but it is a tested position on a
[3:05:33] full-time basis.
[3:05:38] Okay. Page 23.
[3:05:45] Do we have all these position filled in
[3:05:47] terms of the the parking meter
[3:05:49] attendant?
[3:05:51] Nice.
[3:05:53] I guess for
[3:05:59] any question on this
[3:06:02] it's pretty simple.
[3:06:04] She seems very have to bring this one
[3:06:05] up. I know there were no question that's
[3:06:07] why I
[3:06:09] that's why
[3:06:12] go ahead.
[3:06:13] Um so I have a question. So we don't
[3:06:15] have um any parking um attendance on the
[3:06:20] weekend.
[3:06:22] Um that's something that was ever
[3:06:24] considered. I mean not for downtown by
[3:06:27] any means. I think it's important that
[3:06:28] no one has to pay on any events downtown
[3:06:31] or after hours, but there's like so
[3:06:33] much, you know, on weekends, Saturdays,
[3:06:34] Sundays, people parked in the wrong
[3:06:36] spot, people probably calling the police
[3:06:38] department for
[3:06:39] Yes, I know. So, our officers do a
[3:06:43] little bit, but not a lot of it. Um, and
[3:06:45] there has been times where there's been
[3:06:46] different details where our park
[3:06:48] enforcement officers have worked
[3:06:49] weekends um for us, but there is nothing
[3:06:52] in plans currently to have somebody full
[3:06:55] time on on the weekends.
[3:06:57] I would definitely I'd be open to it for
[3:06:59] sure if we could we could build a
[3:07:01] position. Yes, there's definitely a
[3:07:05] main street about people would be called
[3:07:08] on weekends for
[3:07:09] right that puts an officer out there,
[3:07:12] you know, again
[3:07:15] would be taken over by someone that
[3:07:18] the meters are active the meters are
[3:07:20] active.
[3:07:25] I don't think so. I don't think we have
[3:07:26] to pay for
[3:07:28] Monday through Friday, I think.
[3:07:38] Even though the
[3:07:41] garage
[3:07:43] behind Proctor is charged a fee when
[3:07:45] there's
[3:07:47] I don't mean I just mean the rest of the
[3:07:50] city.
[3:07:52] call.
[3:07:53] Yeah.
[3:07:56] All right. Capital.
[3:08:04] I'm not sure specific order you want to
[3:08:06] go.
[3:08:07] No. Okay. Well, I'll touch on the
[3:08:09] replacement of computers and stuff.
[3:08:11] Again, this was part of a three-year
[3:08:12] plan that we had. This is before we went
[3:08:14] into the Axon program. Um I I would like
[3:08:17] to see it if it's not fully funded at
[3:08:19] least to be funded to some degree
[3:08:21] because it's beyond more than just axon
[3:08:23] programs because we have a number of
[3:08:25] outdated computers server softwares that
[3:08:27] were kind of
[3:08:28] just we we needed to overhaul the whole
[3:08:30] system which we're doing really well and
[3:08:33] just this will just continue on the
[3:08:34] program. um if there's monies left over
[3:08:36] at the end of the year, then we could
[3:08:37] apply them towards future um acts on expenses, you know, if it's,
[3:08:43] you know, so we can kind of not say
[3:08:45] warehouse the money, but we do have
[3:08:46] three years to spend it. We don't
[3:08:47] obligate it or or borrow it until it's
[3:08:50] needed. So, it's not like it's, you
[3:08:51] know, it's um
[3:08:53] ahead of time, so it's not like we're
[3:08:54] paying anything on it, but that would
[3:08:56] kind of lock us in. We said before at
[3:08:57] council meetings, we had two years worth
[3:08:59] of funings for the program in hand. We
[3:09:02] already
[3:09:03] deployed our first year's defense on
[3:09:05] that and it's all in motion and all set
[3:09:09] for next year. So, you're in good shape.
[3:09:11] This would just kind of be um if if
[3:09:14] council wishes if we need to divide it
[3:09:16] out and say how much is know we need
[3:09:19] this year we can but I don't think it's
[3:09:21] a waste in any sense of of the word.
[3:09:24] for future future um
[3:09:28] but large large part of this money is
[3:09:29] going to be part of
[3:09:32] this year that was that was our thought.
[3:09:34] Yeah. Yeah. This this money won't be
[3:09:36] used for the next this year or next year
[3:09:37] for axon because we have money in in
[3:09:39] hand already for that grant funding.
[3:09:41] But yes, it' be the following year after
[3:09:44] that if but on the same token we still
[3:09:46] have a number of computers within the
[3:09:47] department and some servers that we have
[3:09:48] to replace and add on to that this money
[3:09:51] will go towards. So,
[3:09:52] it's just part of our infrastructure of
[3:09:54] our police department. So,
[3:09:55] you said you have those number
[3:09:56] available.
[3:09:58] No, I I don't have it. I can I can
[3:10:00] probably, you know, drill down a little
[3:10:02] bit, but I also I would encourage
[3:10:04] everybody to think about funding the
[3:10:06] whole thing because it will not go to,
[3:10:08] you know, we're not asking for fluff
[3:10:10] here. We're asking this is for
[3:10:11] infrastructure. Once that gets set up,
[3:10:13] if there's additional funding, just like
[3:10:14] some kind of capital funding, we can put
[3:10:15] it off towards the up to three years
[3:10:17] from now when we need funding there. um
[3:10:20] under under the capital and I'm not
[3:10:22] trying to rob Peter pay Paul but just it
[3:10:26] sure
[3:10:28] if I won't be here in three years you
[3:10:30] guys
[3:10:32] listen sorry
[3:10:33] so you're saying there won't be any for
[3:10:35] body cameras or not
[3:10:37] no no not this year um but there will be
[3:10:39] we do have expenses and stuff
[3:10:42] for year after two years two years
[3:10:46] and yes
[3:10:47] as part of our plan
[3:10:48] and why not if you need Obviously, you
[3:10:49] know, we'll go after some grand funding
[3:10:51] and so forth. So, if it's not, it's not,
[3:10:52] but it's just um it does help with our
[3:10:54] infrastructure as far as computer
[3:10:56] technologies keeps on changing and some
[3:10:58] of the things that we're doing
[3:10:59] internally is like I said, we're
[3:11:01] embracing technology um that putting
[3:11:04] different devices in the cars and so
[3:11:05] forth. So,
[3:11:08] any more questions on that one?
[3:11:10] Okay, thanks.
[3:11:12] All right. Uh so, talk about
[3:11:14] the police vehicles next.
[3:11:16] Oh, police vehicles next again. This is
[3:11:18] um part of it really was a three-year
[3:11:21] project that we have quite um we
[3:11:23] proposed two years ago. This is the
[3:11:25] third year of this. Um we we asked for
[3:11:28] replacement of these vehicles. One of
[3:11:30] the biggest problems we have right now,
[3:11:31] we ordered cars a year ago, May,
[3:11:35] um we actually just rolled them out.
[3:11:37] So we're in the process. So we have a
[3:11:38] proposal for the mayor for this last
[3:11:40] capital funding to do is rolling out. So
[3:11:42] we're a little bit behind, but it's not
[3:11:43] our fault. It's just the manufacturers.
[3:11:44] We just can't get the cars. Yeah. Yeah.
[3:11:46] I just want to also add that one year in
[3:11:48] 2020, we did not purchase cars did not
[3:11:52] have capital projects that year. So
[3:11:55] behind
[3:11:56] and so we're trying to get caught up in
[3:11:57] our our fleet is is obviously in getting
[3:11:59] older and older and it's you know the
[3:12:02] idea was this is that we could um expand
[3:12:04] out our fleet to have each platoon each shift have their own bodies of cars
[3:12:10] and put less miles on the cars so the
[3:12:11] cars will last longer. And that's still
[3:12:13] our goal. Um so we're asking for funing.
[3:12:15] We do we did take on some electric
[3:12:16] vehicles that we have within the
[3:12:20] police department and I personally never
[3:12:22] drove them before and I I actually like
[3:12:24] it. It's not fun to be seen in
[3:12:28] it's kind of little and blues. It's like
[3:12:30] the
[3:12:31] as far as the car actually more pep lot
[3:12:33] more speed kind of a little bit
[3:12:35] different driving.
[3:12:35] They can sneak up on people.
[3:12:36] You can sneak up on people
[3:12:39] the new Ford too are hybrids.
[3:12:41] Yes. Yes. or hybrids in our we don't
[3:12:44] know what mileage will
[3:12:46] these would be would be
[3:12:47] this is basically same type of things
[3:12:49] than been purchasing
[3:12:51] we are looking at other options within
[3:12:52] the electric car world but really not
[3:12:54] much more no one really makes a police
[3:12:56] package problem with some of the
[3:12:57] electric cars is the stuff we have to
[3:12:59] put into them they can't just fully be
[3:13:01] electric so
[3:13:02] and may I ask another question on that
[3:13:05] so these newer cars when we do have the
[3:13:07] stuff that Axon will give us um they'll
[3:13:11] be able to go into these cars.
[3:13:12] Yeah. Yeah. Those go into the hybrids
[3:13:15] for interceptors and so forth. I was
[3:13:16] just say they can't go into all electric
[3:13:18] because there's just too much
[3:13:20] there's too much um weight of the
[3:13:22] battery. Yeah.
[3:13:23] Too much battery.
[3:13:24] Just like I'm talking about like you
[3:13:26] know in our in our detective cars for
[3:13:29] instance you know we have light bars we
[3:13:31] have certain things that they have and
[3:13:32] just low profile but you can't like
[3:13:34] leave them on all the time because the
[3:13:35] car you know you know drain down. Um
[3:13:37] there's different miles you get out of
[3:13:39] it and so forth. But we're we're working
[3:13:41] through some of that. The radios in the
[3:13:42] cars, you know, they have to make sure
[3:13:44] they go off when they can. I again,
[3:13:46] we're learning how to drive electric
[3:13:48] cars cuz it when you break they actually
[3:13:51] charge the battery and there's things
[3:13:52] that I kind of different
[3:13:55] but
[3:13:58] a question if you know on top of your
[3:14:00] head how many cars are in your fleet and
[3:14:02] then how many are slated for
[3:14:03] replacement?
[3:14:05] I don't um there's there's 70 some cars
[3:14:07] within our fleet, but a lot of those are
[3:14:09] um older cars that we use for vice
[3:14:12] garage has a 10 cars designed to know
[3:14:13] they use them just but they're old, you
[3:14:15] know, 10 15 year old cars. Um I can get
[3:14:17] you the number of it. We're constantly
[3:14:20] replacing. We have basically 35 mark
[3:14:23] units in the department. So 35 of those
[3:14:26] cars. I I I can get you more solid
[3:14:27] numbers. um deal with accidents and
[3:14:31] sometimes the engines go or the wear and
[3:14:33] tear. We put we put about um about
[3:14:36] 35,000 miles on a car patrol vehicle a
[3:14:39] year and we're trying to reduce that
[3:14:40] down to about 20. And that's that was
[3:14:42] the idea of this project right here. Um
[3:14:44] if we could have gotten the cars like we
[3:14:46] intended, um we think we would have got
[3:14:49] know 25,000 miles a year or less on that
[3:14:52] vehicle because nobody would have been
[3:14:53] assigned and therefore you get, you
[3:14:55] know, let's just say 125 to 130,000
[3:14:57] miles out. you get five, six years out
[3:14:58] of it. Um the idea is that right now
[3:15:00] we're kind of getting three good years
[3:15:02] and then you know the last year is a
[3:15:04] little bit skeptical. The equipment
[3:15:05] within the cars last for was guaranteed
[3:15:08] for five six years. So we're trying to
[3:15:10] just have the the longevity of the
[3:15:12] equipment and cars even the light bars.
[3:15:13] So we're not train changing it over
[3:15:15] constantly. So um the plan I think was a
[3:15:17] good plan just if we can get the cars
[3:15:19] rolling. So
[3:15:25] when we started to we missed
[3:15:27] We did some purchase 21 22 I don't know
[3:15:31] this is anybody can get a list of how
[3:15:34] much replacement we did 21 22
[3:15:37] plus this 10 14 16 here
[3:15:41] how many cars we
[3:15:42] how many we did in 21 22 new
[3:15:45] how many we purchased
[3:15:46] yes um
[3:15:49] none in 21 cuz we actually put an order
[3:15:52] in and we didn't get until 22
[3:15:54] got blurry
[3:15:55] yeah it's more how we got get delivery
[3:15:57] again. Um, so I can I'll go back to 20.
[3:16:01] Yeah, just
[3:16:08] they're starting to roll out2.
[3:16:11] No, we just kind of got our order. I
[3:16:13] haven't sent them there yet. Just it's
[3:16:15] okay. So,
[3:16:18] okay.
[3:16:19] You have any more item? You did a solar sign boards. We have three
[3:16:24] currently. So we deploy them um let the
[3:16:27] community know different events that are
[3:16:28] going on. We also put them in hight
[3:16:31] traffic areas that just scattered
[3:16:32] throughout. People will call us up and
[3:16:34] ask for signs that say slow down in
[3:16:36] different areas. So we deploy them. We
[3:16:38] had a few older ones that have are no
[3:16:40] longer operational. We have three that
[3:16:43] are solar powered that we use. They're out every day now. Um different
[3:16:48] place about the city. Somebody calls us
[3:16:50] up and kind of go on a list of know for
[3:16:53] a week or two at a time. the event and
[3:16:55] fireworks are coming up or road's going
[3:16:57] to be closed. We'll go throw them out
[3:16:58] ahead of time just and we would like to
[3:17:01] have four more of those bring a total of
[3:17:03] seven.
[3:17:04] We just got one last year. So,
[3:17:07] did you touch on property evidence store
[3:17:09] system?
[3:17:10] No, I'll touch on that real quick.
[3:17:12] within our I'm not sure how many council
[3:17:14] members have done this police department
[3:17:15] for a tour, but we we do have within our
[3:17:17] evidence technicians rooms. Um
[3:17:21] what do you call those? Um
[3:17:23] uh file cabinets, they can store a lot
[3:17:25] of stuff. They go up the ceiling 14 15
[3:17:27] ft high. Um
[3:17:30] the storage areas and I'm not doing
[3:17:32] justice to it, but it's pretty
[3:17:33] impressive. But in our in our records,
[3:17:35] so we have two rooms that that house
[3:17:37] probably um two to three times as much
[3:17:39] property as you could if you didn't have
[3:17:41] them. But then our our our archive room,
[3:17:43] the archive room is all of our old
[3:17:44] cases, um detective cases, um some
[3:17:47] traffic stuff that we're we're mandated
[3:17:49] by by law to retain for a certain amount
[3:17:52] of time. Um some is three years, some
[3:17:54] six years, some is up to 25 years
[3:17:56] depending on the crime itself. Within
[3:17:58] there, we're just running out of room.
[3:17:59] And so the idea is that if we brought
[3:18:01] this this storage system, it would
[3:18:03] almost double if not more our capacity.
[3:18:06] So um and still within the same room. So
[3:18:08] requesting the same type of system that
[3:18:10] we have now within our evidence rooms.
[3:18:11] It really probably should stay instead
[3:18:13] of property evidence room or storage
[3:18:14] room. It should be um records and
[3:18:16] archive room. So it's just for it's not
[3:18:19] for property evidence. It's for records
[3:18:21] retention. So
[3:18:24] any question
[3:18:28] regards to the mobile camera. I know we
[3:18:30] talked many years about adding one
[3:18:33] currently.
[3:18:35] Is that out and deployed or is that on
[3:18:38] standby
[3:18:39] being repaired right now?
[3:18:42] It's fixed actually.
[3:18:42] Oh, it's fixed.
[3:18:44] Back.
[3:18:45] And we have another one on order I
[3:18:46] believe.
[3:18:47] Yes. Y and I looking at um ordering
[3:18:50] additional because we talked about a
[3:18:52] couple years and like look at over the
[3:18:54] years ordering one or two because it's
[3:18:56] expensive.
[3:18:59] May I ask what that is?
[3:19:00] It's balancing the camera network. So
[3:19:03] some of the as you expand the network
[3:19:05] you
[3:19:06] don't have the need for the oneoff
[3:19:09] deployments but there are still times
[3:19:12] and places where that is useful and it
[3:19:16] creates a level of deterrence.
[3:19:19] So something that you want to look at
[3:19:23] um the capital budget so complement
[3:19:27] whatever you have you have two one and
[3:19:29] one coming in the next one.
[3:19:32] We'll see how much interest rates go up.
[3:19:34] Look at the whole budget.
[3:19:36] We talk about security, we talk about
[3:19:38] public safety, and the camera, the
[3:19:40] mobile camera is very useful.
[3:19:43] I can tell you this that we're we're
[3:19:44] looking at camera systems in general a
[3:19:47] lot. We're looking at how we can better
[3:19:50] utilize the cameras that currently exist
[3:19:52] in the in the in the city. Smart city uh
[3:19:56] optical sensors,
[3:19:58] uh the county's cameras, uh private
[3:20:01] cameras. How can we capture all that?
[3:20:03] There's software out there that can help
[3:20:05] us with that. There's license plate
[3:20:07] readers that we're looking at. So, we're
[3:20:08] looking at the whole big picture and
[3:20:10] that certainly could be a part of it.
[3:20:12] And we we're going to need to do a
[3:20:15] little bit more research to get an
[3:20:17] answer.
[3:20:17] I I'm not to delay us, but what I don't
[3:20:19] actually know what that is. Can I just
[3:20:22] say when you move them into an area,
[3:20:24] everybody knows who there, so everybody
[3:20:25] kind of say it's very useful when you
[3:20:28] have all those cameras out there.
[3:20:29] Everybody knows about it. Everybody
[3:20:31] talks about it.
[3:20:32] So, it's like
[3:20:33] the South Avenue. Yeah.
[3:20:35] It's a total trailer that's about half
[3:20:37] the size table and it's it goes up like
[3:20:41] 20 ft or so. There's a fall on top and
[3:20:43] it's 360 camera and power. We've
[3:20:49] just
[3:20:57] Okay. when we had the meeting I think
[3:20:59] last our last committee meeting and we
[3:21:02] heard about the 500 cameras I think Mr.
[3:21:04] K was presenting I happened to be out
[3:21:06] with my husband after that and I said
[3:21:08] there's 500 cameras
[3:21:11] oh no like he immediately like you know
[3:21:13] kind of breaks in his car I was like see
[3:21:20] okay
[3:21:22] some of those camera help solve crimes
[3:21:25] actually solve the crime I would
[3:21:27] imagine.
[3:21:28] So that's why I'm kind of like to shout
[3:21:30] out because I know
[3:21:32] that we saw the grand vandalism also.
[3:21:35] The one we purchased before was grant
[3:21:36] money. This one that we're purchasing
[3:21:38] now with grant money and so there is
[3:21:39] grant money to be had out there. But the
[3:21:41] chief said we finding a whole system has
[3:21:44] almost like information below how we
[3:21:45] manage it. And um
[3:21:48] what was what was the last price that
[3:21:49] you don't
[3:21:50] this last one?
[3:21:51] Yeah,
[3:21:52] it was it was $70,000.
[3:21:55] Yeah. That's why we were gonna buy two.
[3:21:57] We bought one right now because we
[3:21:59] thought we get get for like 40,000 but
[3:22:01] just like everything else going up.
[3:22:04] Jeez.
[3:22:07] All right.
[3:22:09] Any any other business of for finance? I
[3:22:12] have a motion.
[3:22:14] Second. All in favor? Thank you. Enjoy
[3:22:17] the rest of your good job,
[3:22:23] right? Yeah.
[3:22:27] still get treated better.
[3:22:47] You're right. Okay. All right.