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Dan can you hear it just now

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hello Ben

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got it all right looks like we're

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all right it's uh

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203 October 18th I will open this uh

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Grand County Commission uh workshop on

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special events in attendance we have

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commissioner Sarah stock Kevin Walker uh

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Jesse Kovash Trisha Dean Mary McGann and

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myself Josh Hadler we also have uh clerk

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Gabe Wake Tech admission commission

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administrator Mallory Nassau and

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Associate administrator Quinn Hall and

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from special events we have Angie book

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director of osta and Rachel Bartlett

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um with the economic development

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department and special events

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coordinator

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um I will turn this over to Angie and

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Rachel at this time

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okay I'm so would you guys like us to

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start with just going event by event and

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we answer questions

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okay maybe explain the

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we need

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to go through

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criteria how to

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yeah I think you're like starting with

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the ordinance probably just I think just for the public it'd probably be

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worth going over

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um criteria and

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um I guess yeah exactly okay we haven't

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passed the ordinance yet so okay you

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might want to chime in a little bit on

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this because I'm not as familiar with

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the ordinance it's going to be moisture

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so what we're going to do is go over the

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criteria

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um for these events being here these are

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the high impact events that meet County

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Commission requirement for needing

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approval so these are the events that

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um are over a certain number do you want

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what they are is we have the little

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special event advisory committee meet

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yeah and so I think this catches some

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that are kind of in a in a gray area

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like well

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like we continue this could be high

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impact based on but it's not a

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we're not at the point and I don't think

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we're going to set it up that it's ever

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you know black and white we want to keep

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it kind of holistic but this is within

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the ordinance in terms of the size but

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there are other things that we capture

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that we thought until that is ironed out

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with the ordinance we just thought it

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would be best to bring it to all of you

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that sounds good but you guys decided

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get your feedback on a

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um so the way we have it set up is it

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will be the event

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um the date of the event the total daily

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attendance so the total daily tenants is

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everything and hold those participants

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that's staff that's registration uh

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volunteers that's the whole toll

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um and then some staff notes we thought

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we would just touch on the important

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notes and Angie on the attendance I know

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I'm in the past there's been some

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confusion about whether attendance is

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number of vehicles or number of people

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yeah in the for the events listed here

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is all the number of people it's all of

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okay so if I see a motorized event with

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40 people I can guess that might you

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know should be in 20 or 30 vehicles

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know that answer I'll try to give that

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as I go through

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um so the first one and we numbered them

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so as I go through I'll give the number

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so the first one is the Arches ultra

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marathon and the type is athletic it's

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competition it's a running event the

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date is January 28th total daily

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attendance is 1 385.

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staff knows is this is a running event

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it has a five years of history and good

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standing and the ITA was also approved

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by SEC before all the process changes

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any questions on that event

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um where do you know where it's staged

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from they started the brands and then

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they run through some of the trails in

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Quantum product Blossom and come back

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the Mad moose right which is which is

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local that's the Ricks right yeah Denise

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the next one we're going into February

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this is Bob's Red Hot it's also an

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athletic competition event the date

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February 18th total of daily attendance

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is 1100. also running an event

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um the event is using lower Gemini

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Bridges area 16 years of history in good

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um the ITA was approved through sec is

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I'll just keep going you guys let me

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know if you have questions okay I think

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that's great yeah

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um really quickly I'm sorry if this has

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already done what I say for people

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oh second is the special event

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um March attempt to Appliance number

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three is lineup Red Cliffs this this is

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actually a group of eight concerts

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um spanning over the season

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they don't have their exact dates yet

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but they wanted to get their attempt to

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apply it because they'll be starting in

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they're looking at eight dates and

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they're looking at 750 per event

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um their music events held at Red Cliffs

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um and then the schedule is not

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finalized yet

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go ahead Mary so this would be an event

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for locals to go to the concert

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um are they on the weekends or is there

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should be done they don't have those

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wouldn't say was April 30th but they're

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working with the artist's schedule so

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they're kind of catching people as

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they're going from Denver to Salt Lake

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and stuff like that so some of them

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would probably be on a weekday some of

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them will probably be weekends there's

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no way to know at this point and this

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um for this this fall I think two of

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them are already happened and there's

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one coming up next month were they as

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large I don't think they're as large all

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anticipated attention so these are very

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optimistic projections

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yeah we told them to go with a higher

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number rather they'd rather be safe than

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sorry on the low number I mean I I like

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the sound of music

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um my concern here is just the level of

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traffic on the River Road and if it's on

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Peak weekends what's happening then

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impact on traffic on the River Road also

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it's just a very high use area but I'm

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to Stephen Stephen Walker from my place

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anticipating a certain percentage of

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that being the people who are staying at

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the lodge as well um you didn't give me

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an exact number because again this is a

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new series

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it takes a couple years to kind of

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figure out exactly where people are

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Rocks it's also an athletic competition

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event the dates are March 3rd through

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um running event Gemini Bridges

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rocks this is a new event

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um their ice their ITA was approved by

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sakfa for the process

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okay gotcha yeah so this is so it's the

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same organizers as above rocks yeah

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athletic um this is a fundraiser event

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there are fundraising goes to the

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American Lung Society the dates are

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March 11th through the 14th total daily

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the roads the cycling event using the

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um real quick going back to the Moab run

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the Rocks where does the staging for

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Gemini Bridges mag 7 so they're staging

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day is the brand so the branch parking

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lot into the third day is chronic blood

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that for the bike event I don't know if

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they're going to do that for the running

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um number six is the Canyonlands half

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competitive running event I'm using

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daily attendance is 1700. I am this does

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require an advanced life support station

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due to it being over 1500 participants

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it has 47 years of good standing in

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um the ITA was also approved before

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processing through sec

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number seven behind the Rocks Ultra is

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an athletic competitive event on March

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25th total daily attendance is 450. I'm

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running an event using behind the Rocks

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minimal Trail usage in Grant County nine

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years of history and good standing and

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for any process changes

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Moab rocks number eight

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is also an athletic competitive event

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for the dates of March 25th through 27th

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mountain biking event using the whole

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enchilada Klondike gloves and

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Magnificent Seven Ten Years of history

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and good standing and the ITA was also

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approved through SEC before process

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I'm going to skip over number nine real

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quick and jump to number 10.

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because I'm in a group number nine in

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um number 10 is Easter Jeep Safari it's

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a motorized event and Expo

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that takes place on trails and at osta

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the dates are March 31st through April

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9th daily total attendance is 750.

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uh they have over 58 years of good

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their BLM permit allows 50 vehicles per

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that depends on what trail they're going

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to be on

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um

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and

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so again so on the sheet that we have

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Jesus as far as number nine yeah

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I want to go back to normal but on my

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seat number nine is Jeep Safari she's

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looking at the um agenda summary

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so but but I guess my other comments is

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we reached the end of a quarter maybe we

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should

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I mean the the format we're trying to

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get into is we look at everything for

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according to make a decision so

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you want me to stop and then we'll touch

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bases yeah why don't we try to figure

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out this first quarter and then resume

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so we'll stop it you want to stop at mob

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rocks or do you want to include Jeep

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Safari Chief so far it seems like it's

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mostly in April so I would include that

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as a spring event

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lots of athletic events the first

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quarter left and running

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yeah so I guess my impression is you

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know there it is heavy on running events

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um

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it's it's not a really a packed calendar

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I think because of the time the time of

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year

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um I mean I do I do think we have quite

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a lot of relevant running events around

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here we should like automatically

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the great but these mostly seem to be

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stage and appropriate places I'm I'm not

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as familiar with some of the trails

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they're using

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um but I was wondering if something this

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is kind of a warm-up for the next

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quarter which is much bigger but you

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know we could look at what would happen

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if we approve the events that have been

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going on for say more than 12 years or

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something like that and then see how

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full the calendar looks and see whether

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we want to add anything additional

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beyond that

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um just as a way to get this decision

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more quickly

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yeah sure Kevin yeah

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so what you're proposing is uh

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check add in the ones that have been

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around for how long do you say 10 years

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over the spring it seemed like 12 was a

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good cut off

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um

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but

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you know I mean I I think you can just

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worked out and I think one of the

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criteria listed is like near the half

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marathon you know that's a very

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disruptive event but it's been going on

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for a long time right and I'm I'm guess

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I haven't heard anyone say that we

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shouldn't be you know giving them a

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permit anymore so that's like one of the

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easy yeses on here and so we should get

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those out of the way first and then see

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whether the calendar seems full or see

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whether we would do better to have even

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more events

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I don't see any event in the blue

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that first quarter that I would be

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uncomfortable with

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their

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pretty you know they've been around

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forever and

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we'll just just playing Devil's Advocate

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like the the concert series they're

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talking about pretty High attendance and

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they haven't and it's mostly actually in

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the spring rather than the winter

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and you know if those were the little

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coincide with other High attendance

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events that might not be so great so it

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seems a little since you know crowding

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on the calendars one of the things we're

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concerned about

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pre-approving an event that doesn't even

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have a state so yeah it seems a little

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bit strange on the other hand I do agree

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that you know this kind of musical event

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adds variety and otherwise would be a

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good thing and and I I'm wondering are

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they considering it all having like they

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do for the music festival having uh

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shadow

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this one actually brought

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Steven

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um and I know that you had mentioned

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putting conditions on the dates so that

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you can say you can do any of these

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dates but the state just being this date

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and I can take it to him and say like

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okay these are the rules yeah so just to

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be clear on the on the um on the

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concerts they're basically working with

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the artists that that might happen to be

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in the area so the dates could be

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extremely nebulous like yeah just

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depending on who's coming through and it

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could be a Tuesday or Wednesday night

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yeah and how far in advance would they

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have the information as to when the

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concert would actually be

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like a couple months usually I how long

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does it do I see anybody from the travel

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Council on here because that's how they

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work with our events that come to summer

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concerts at Swanee is they work with

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people that are coming through right

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then we can afford it they're not going

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to just come to us but they're they're

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always usually happy to drop in if

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they're on the road

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so come I I guess I was wondering did

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anybody work on that how long in advance

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do they usually know that would be

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August or who who organizes that

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yeah

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it's the travel Council

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the summer free concerts

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that's the city right yeah it's done in

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the city all this uh the travel Council

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just pays for it huh

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okay never mind I I at first we paid for

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it all

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so

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I mean to me it seems like the only ones

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you wouldn't want it to overlap with is

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the half marathon right or anything

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that's going to impact the river skinny

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Tire does not go out well they actually

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use the Loop Road they do one day on the

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loop road

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I mean they do go early I remember but

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do they do it don't they do it uh do

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they do a clockwise then and they hit

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their River Road first

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I honestly don't remember to me that's

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the smart way to do it I I did that one

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year and they did it counterclockwise

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but then I think that was an anomaly but

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I can't recall but they do you're right

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they do do it early so it seems like the

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only one would be the half marathon and

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now you wouldn't want anything

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so we're talking about the Constitution

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the concerts yeah so actually I mean it

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occurs to me those are mainly in the

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next quarter so maybe we should just

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lump them with the next quarter yeah

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sure

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considering some of the events in this

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quarter I think it is worth pointing out

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like candyland's half marathon and

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anything yeah but I think it might be an

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additional dates in the next quarter

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that yeah maybe they should

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so make that like a condition yeah I

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don't like a blackout date kind of a

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thing I don't know if we'd have to

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prevent it during the half marathon

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actually because they they're not the

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events aren't going to uh coincide with

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each other they're going to be a total

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different times and it might be a lovely

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thing for people who are visiting the

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town to buy a ticket and go to a concert

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but I thought one of our concerns was

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not to have a lot of High attendance

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events landing on the same weekend that

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seems like one of our main jobs

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yeah I know 750 is a high number and

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half marathon is an even higher numbers

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so although I wouldn't I would expect

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there'd be a lot of crossover I would

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just add the numbers up and call it yeah

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and I I think 750 is very very aspirated

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right I would be very interested to see

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what actually happened you know the the

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half marathon used to be a lottery that

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was cool it's closed off the 5 000 yeah

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that that event's gone way down so the

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reality is like

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I guess all of it's you know less than

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it used to be yeah it used to be captive

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yeah I remember it comes right by my

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house at the end it was yeah absolutely

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huge

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foreign

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but I think the shadow question is a

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great question because that impact is

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way smaller on the road if there's still

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shuttles well also do you know what time

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they're planning on staging the concerts

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like whether if it's a weekend with you

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in the afternoon which might coincide

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with some of the runners or what was it

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more like in the evening usually in the

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evening

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around seven or so when they normally do

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them maybe a little bit earlier

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and like Rachel was saying with the

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conditions for days

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I haven't worked at the logistics and

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the site plan but I don't see why you

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couldn't do a condition of

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I think that is great it looks like 6

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p.m or 7 P.M has been what they've been

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doing this summer

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also if 750 is purely aspirational

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perhaps we just have a condition that we

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cap it at 400 or something more

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reasonable

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sex yeah that would be easily managed

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often do you get 750 at your event I

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mean we got at most 500. do you really

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yeah I look like was almost 500. yeah

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so like with shuttles I mean it's

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actually pretty minimal in fact

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there and they decide to have a couple

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of drinks yeah yeah

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and

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the Shadows seem to work pretty well for

519
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the music festival it seems like they're

520
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pretty full I've used I've gone on them

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sometimes and other times we've decided

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we wanted to go out to

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you know Fisher Towers and hang out for

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a minute after the concert so well that

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seems like a really great way to

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minimize the impact on the locals living out

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and also good for the environment

528
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Al condition and then would the

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condition be a certain percentage of the

530
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attendees have to take a shuttle no

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just just that they offered shuttles

532
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yeah it's hard to enforce yeah

533
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um well Kevin had previously

534
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I said we should probably talk about

535
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this in the next thing okay

536
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um

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so so look at looking this

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a little bit closer I guess we there are

539
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also two running events that are wanting

540
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to do the same exactly the same date

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yeah the Moab rocks is a mountain biking

542
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and then

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say yeah okay where does the ultra stage

544
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the behind the Rocks Ultra in San Juan

545
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County I was to the stage back where the

546
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old you know 24-hour race course was

547
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back they've probably only used five

548
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miles of Trail they barely come into the

549
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county and it's only one of their

550
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distance race the long distance one does

551
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most of them stay in Tampa and remind me

552
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of the Moab rocks what uh areas that

553
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uses they use Klondike gloves they do

554
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magic and whole enchiladas do they just

555
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do LPS down or UPS yeah they have to go

556
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up they start a town and they go all the

557
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way up to the top of LPS they come back

558
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from town they write my example so those

559
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,039
two events are pretty they're they're

560
00:23:50,039 --> 00:23:52,679
great they're very separate yeah they're

561
00:23:52,679 --> 00:23:53,940
all North

562
00:23:53,940 --> 00:23:55,580
but

563
00:23:55,580 --> 00:23:58,320
I don't know I feel pretty good about

564
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,299
the events in the early part of the year

565
00:24:00,299 --> 00:24:02,340
that's generally not like the most crazy

566
00:24:02,340 --> 00:24:04,559
packed time of town where we're getting

567
00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:08,100
a lot of like sound noise complaints so

568
00:24:08,100 --> 00:24:09,600
and it looks like every single one of

569
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,039
these events except for the uh run the

570
00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:13,380
Rocks is a more of a less a Legacy Event

571
00:24:13,380 --> 00:24:14,580
right

572
00:24:14,580 --> 00:24:19,010
which ones yeah they all have long as

573
00:24:19,020 --> 00:24:21,960
his one well the music ones are yeah

574
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,299
there's two new events

575
00:24:24,299 --> 00:24:27,059
so do we do we need yet another

576
00:24:27,059 --> 00:24:28,980
early in the year running events

577
00:24:28,980 --> 00:24:30,480
inspired

578
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,120
Ernie packed with those

579
00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:35,280
yes it is that's kind of the preseason

580
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:36,900
weekend

581
00:24:36,900 --> 00:24:38,220
yeah I mean I think if there's nothing

582
00:24:38,220 --> 00:24:41,570
else competing

583
00:24:41,580 --> 00:24:44,580
what are ideas every every so ultimately

584
00:24:44,580 --> 00:24:48,590
every single weekend has a large event

585
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,340
I think that

586
00:24:50,340 --> 00:24:58,690
a large event

587
00:24:58,700 --> 00:25:03,659
in a large event that is athletic

588
00:25:03,659 --> 00:25:05,280
you know and most of these aren't

589
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,080
motorized

590
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,539
fills or motel rooms with people that

591
00:25:09,539 --> 00:25:11,340
aren't going to be

592
00:25:11,340 --> 00:25:13,380
running loud machines

593
00:25:13,380 --> 00:25:23,450
yeah yeah

594
00:25:23,460 --> 00:25:26,100
okay well I I could feel comfortable

595
00:25:26,100 --> 00:25:27,960
with going through that book but with

596
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,480
the understanding that as we you know

597
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,279
refine our criteria for events you know

598
00:25:32,279 --> 00:25:34,500
just because an event has been run one

599
00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:36,059
to five years in the past doesn't mean

600
00:25:36,059 --> 00:25:38,340
that there's prison you know we might

601
00:25:38,340 --> 00:25:40,140
later decide that hey you know we need

602
00:25:40,140 --> 00:25:41,400
more music events and fewer running

603
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:42,900
events and something

604
00:25:42,900 --> 00:25:45,720
I think as long as we're willing to

605
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,000
not tell people that once once they get

606
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,340
approved they're they're in you know

607
00:25:50,340 --> 00:25:51,960
they continue to improve unless they

608
00:25:51,960 --> 00:26:00,169
really mess up badly yeah

609
00:26:00,179 --> 00:26:03,480
all right so are we basically uh

610
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,419
checking off events one through eight on

611
00:26:06,419 --> 00:26:08,580
our sheet then

612
00:26:08,580 --> 00:26:10,500
uh Jeep safaris now I think we're gonna

613
00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:13,320
adjust that for the next

614
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,720
with the music event uh I guess it's

615
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,220
still unresolved whether there would be

616
00:26:17,220 --> 00:26:19,860
blackout dates to avoid conflicts right

617
00:26:19,860 --> 00:26:21,240
so we can look at that in the next

618
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,720
quarter and see what events it might

619
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,760
conflict with I guess

620
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,580
and one thing I would

621
00:26:29,580 --> 00:26:31,860
remind everybody I'm sure it wouldn't

622
00:26:31,860 --> 00:26:34,799
maybe it wouldn't be often but

623
00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:37,500
especially the first go through of this

624
00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:40,620
it is possible along with the conditions

625
00:26:40,620 --> 00:26:42,960
that you have a condition that instead

626
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,659
of the special event advisory committee

627
00:26:45,659 --> 00:26:48,120
doing the final approval that the

628
00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:50,640
complete applications come back to all

629
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,159
of you to approve or deny so if there's

630
00:26:53,159 --> 00:26:54,539
ones

631
00:26:54,539 --> 00:26:57,240
um that there are questions around I

632
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,340
don't know that it would

633
00:26:59,340 --> 00:27:02,220
cause any damage to say you guys want

634
00:27:02,220 --> 00:27:04,460
final approval versus the committee

635
00:27:04,460 --> 00:27:08,090
something to think about

636
00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:10,860
yeah and looking at the redness events

637
00:27:10,860 --> 00:27:13,260
this year I mean one was the same day as

638
00:27:13,260 --> 00:27:15,480
the Street Fest and one is the same day

639
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,760
as one of the days of the Folk Fest and

640
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,080
so we already kind of have some examples

641
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,840
of course whether those were conflict

642
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,400
with the city you're saying Josie or

643
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,020
whether it's you know just too many

644
00:27:25,020 --> 00:27:27,659
things happening at once my I mean my

645
00:27:27,659 --> 00:27:29,820
hunch for these is that that hasn't

646
00:27:29,820 --> 00:27:45,409
really been the case but just here

647
00:27:45,419 --> 00:27:47,880
are we all right yeah

648
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,559
so should we move on to the second

649
00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:51,360
quarter

650
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:53,460
so second quarter I'm going to start

651
00:27:53,460 --> 00:27:55,080
with this list

652
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,299
night which is just sorry in on the

653
00:27:57,299 --> 00:28:00,120
agenda summary which is number 10 Jeep

654
00:28:00,120 --> 00:28:03,360
Safari I am I already went through this

655
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:05,400
a little bit but I'll revisit it um

656
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,480
dates are March 31st through April 9th

657
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:13,380
I'm 750 total daily attendance motorized

658
00:28:13,380 --> 00:28:17,159
have been on trails and with an expo at

659
00:28:17,159 --> 00:28:21,360
osta and BLM permit allows up to 50

660
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:24,480
vehicles per Trail they do stay below

661
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,059
their threshold with 25 to 40 vehicles

662
00:28:27,059 --> 00:28:31,140
per Trail depending on what trail it is

663
00:28:31,140 --> 00:28:33,360
um we have 58 years of History a good

664
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:36,419
standing and if

665
00:28:36,419 --> 00:28:40,370
that's what I have for them

666
00:28:40,380 --> 00:28:43,490
I can tell you more

667
00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:46,080
um my questions revolve sort of around

668
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:51,140
these sub events and how they interact with that yeah

669
00:28:51,140 --> 00:28:54,360
and touch on those

670
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:55,559
um as a group

671
00:28:55,559 --> 00:28:57,059
okay separately do you want me to go

672
00:28:57,059 --> 00:28:58,919
over to this now no I'll just wait with

673
00:28:58,919 --> 00:29:00,900
that I guess yeah I was really

674
00:29:00,900 --> 00:29:01,919
interested in the separate events too

675
00:29:01,919 --> 00:29:04,440
should we look at the events

676
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,659
separate is it is it truly separate or

677
00:29:06,659 --> 00:29:08,220
should we look at it like not really

678
00:29:08,220 --> 00:29:10,679
kind of sort of the way the intent to

679
00:29:10,679 --> 00:29:14,039
apply is I'm in the requirements they

680
00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:17,159
are separate because they have srps

681
00:29:17,159 --> 00:29:20,760
um but it's not additional people at the

682
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,200
event it's still the same number of

683
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,960
people they're just doing something

684
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,260
separate on their own SRP so and it's

685
00:29:28,260 --> 00:29:29,640
they're private they're all private

686
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,100
right what's SRP

687
00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:34,980
a special Recreation permit issued by

688
00:29:34,980 --> 00:29:36,779
the special Recreation permit issued by

689
00:29:36,779 --> 00:29:39,120
the BLM okay so it's because they have

690
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,980
different permits yeah so when you're

691
00:29:40,980 --> 00:29:42,240
looking at these numbers here these

692
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,799
numbers are tucked into the 750 of the

693
00:29:43,799 --> 00:29:45,600
Jeeps

694
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,760
so they're not additional they're still

695
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,700
the 750.

696
00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:52,740
and if they're not new this is something

697
00:29:52,740 --> 00:29:55,080
that's been going on for the same amount

698
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:56,880
of time period they're just being

699
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,340
brought to light now because of the

700
00:29:59,340 --> 00:30:02,100
changes for sure but presumably they're

701
00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:03,600
not not all of them have been going on

702
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,659
for 58 years but but you're saying oh

703
00:30:06,659 --> 00:30:08,220
things are things very similar to this

704
00:30:08,220 --> 00:30:10,020
typically every year have been going on

705
00:30:10,020 --> 00:30:11,399
with the Jeep support

706
00:30:11,399 --> 00:30:13,380
what are they

707
00:30:13,380 --> 00:30:16,320
um it depends on which one so I could

708
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,960
touch on a couple of them real quick so

709
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,779
like number nine which is the FCA that's

710
00:30:21,779 --> 00:30:24,720
GMC Chevrolet Jeep what they do is they

711
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,399
take some of their vendors and customers

712
00:30:26,399 --> 00:30:29,100
out like let's just call them Elites

713
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:32,179
they go out on trail runs they get demos

714
00:30:32,179 --> 00:30:34,620
maybe they get to do a sponsor Trail

715
00:30:34,620 --> 00:30:36,840
things along those lines all the groups

716
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,600
are small I think the biggest one as far

717
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,200
as attendance is at a hundred but they

718
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,000
usually range between 30 to 40 people

719
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,220
that they pick

720
00:30:47,220 --> 00:30:49,500
so is it like a lottery

721
00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:53,289
not really like a lottery

722
00:30:53,299 --> 00:31:01,440
so like these these proofs like um superwinch they come in with like two

723
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,799
to three semis with staff and they have

724
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:06,720
some of them have 20 to 30 staff that

725
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,000
come in for the vendor show so they'll

726
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,380
take it they say it's like Wednesday

727
00:31:10,380 --> 00:31:12,360
because they'll pick a trail and they

728
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:13,799
take their whole staff out and they go

729
00:31:13,799 --> 00:31:16,559
out on a trail ride oh okay

730
00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:18,659
and that's just one example another

731
00:31:18,659 --> 00:31:21,899
maybe maybe they have new lockers that

732
00:31:21,899 --> 00:31:25,320
they're gonna demo or new tires or

733
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:26,580
um something along those lines but

734
00:31:26,580 --> 00:31:29,399
they'll take their a group of customers

735
00:31:29,399 --> 00:31:33,240
out or their employees or their sponsors

736
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,399
not on a trail

737
00:31:35,399 --> 00:31:37,320
so I'm comfortable lumping those all

738
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,179
together with the Jeep Safari to me it

739
00:31:39,179 --> 00:31:41,220
just seems like a part of a normal Jeep

740
00:31:41,220 --> 00:31:42,840
Safari account yeah that answered my

741
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,700
question pretty well too I I tend to

742
00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:45,840
agree with

743
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,000
I mean do any of those events stand out

744
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,799
from that and

745
00:31:49,799 --> 00:31:51,659
they're all kind of the same

746
00:31:51,659 --> 00:31:53,580
I would say they're all the same they're

747
00:31:53,580 --> 00:31:56,700
all businesses all doing the same thing

748
00:31:56,700 --> 00:31:58,320
there's not

749
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,000
anything that would

750
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,820
not be business related

751
00:32:02,820 --> 00:32:04,980
but for the special events back end does

752
00:32:04,980 --> 00:32:07,380
it make sense for them to file separate

753
00:32:07,380 --> 00:32:09,480
applications not that we would need to

754
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,840
approve them but just like for life

755
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,100
for insurance purposes because I know

756
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:16,200
the Red Rock four-wheelers they're not

757
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,100
going to be under the Red Rock

758
00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:18,539
four-wheelers Insurance they're going to

759
00:32:18,539 --> 00:32:20,159
be under their own business

760
00:32:20,159 --> 00:32:22,260
Insurance when it's also adding kind of

761
00:32:22,260 --> 00:32:24,600
Trail time to the county in general if

762
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,740
they each have their own trail rides

763
00:32:27,740 --> 00:32:30,059
also going on I think it's helpful

764
00:32:30,059 --> 00:32:32,460
information to kind of understand the

765
00:32:32,460 --> 00:32:35,159
cumulative impact yeah and they follow

766
00:32:35,159 --> 00:32:38,279
the Jeep safaris uh Roots their course

767
00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:40,700
mapped they they have a pretty

768
00:32:40,700 --> 00:32:43,260
organized trail map and they follow that

769
00:32:43,260 --> 00:32:45,000
so they know what trails are available

770
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,039
at Walmart

771
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:49,860
uh-huh all right just to weigh in on

772
00:32:49,860 --> 00:32:51,960
that guys I think it's really important

773
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,779
to permit these separately the applicant

774
00:32:54,779 --> 00:32:57,779
is different the trail rides are

775
00:32:57,779 --> 00:33:00,899
different these are commercial uses

776
00:33:00,899 --> 00:33:03,059
um BLM does Define commercial use as

777
00:33:03,059 --> 00:33:06,419
compensation exchanged including in a

778
00:33:06,419 --> 00:33:08,460
workplace environment so an employee

779
00:33:08,460 --> 00:33:10,460
gets a trail ride as a benefit that's

780
00:33:10,460 --> 00:33:13,320
compensation paid

781
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:14,220
um

782
00:33:14,220 --> 00:33:16,260
the BLM is permitting these separately

783
00:33:16,260 --> 00:33:18,860
so I do think in terms of our saturation

784
00:33:18,860 --> 00:33:21,779
analysis and all that

785
00:33:21,779 --> 00:33:23,700
um you know we should be thinking of

786
00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:25,799
them as part of Jeep Safari but also

787
00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:27,179
different so

788
00:33:27,179 --> 00:33:29,880
and you can also talk to you but these

789
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,620
types of

790
00:33:31,620 --> 00:33:33,539
um separate but related events are

791
00:33:33,539 --> 00:33:35,880
becoming more popular so I do expect

792
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,559
that we're going to see a lot more of

793
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:39,600
this associated with our bigger

794
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,590
motorized events

795
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,460
like an event within an event kind of

796
00:33:44,460 --> 00:33:49,909
yeah

797
00:33:49,919 --> 00:33:52,080
I don't think that there's like no extra

798
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,120
impact because there are maybe some of

799
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,440
the same participants because like I

800
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,240
said it's Jeep Safari is a certain

801
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:58,679
number of Trail

802
00:33:58,679 --> 00:34:00,960
breads that are permitted

803
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,419
but then this is on top of that and so

804
00:34:03,419 --> 00:34:04,860
that's more

805
00:34:04,860 --> 00:34:07,200
vehicles in the desert and trails that

806
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,119
are conflicting with other users at the

807
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:10,200
same time

808
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,599
I'm not sure how to like pick them apart

809
00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:14,339
or if I'm prepared to do that right now

810
00:34:14,339 --> 00:34:15,899
but I just think it's something like

811
00:34:15,899 --> 00:34:19,200
yeah we should evaluate these separately

812
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,550
and

813
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,419
yeah there is an extra impact because

814
00:34:24,419 --> 00:34:26,720
there are more events

815
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:29,220
and I think as far as evaluating them

816
00:34:29,220 --> 00:34:32,940
separately just as far as insurance and

817
00:34:32,940 --> 00:34:36,240
liability purposes but as far as

818
00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:39,119
an actual event it's still the same

819
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:40,679
event so you could kind of look at it

820
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:42,720
both ways but they definitely I think

821
00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:45,540
need to be applied separately for the

822
00:34:45,540 --> 00:34:47,700
same reasons Christina just said but as

823
00:34:47,700 --> 00:34:49,859
far as looking at them it's still the

824
00:34:49,859 --> 00:34:52,020
same event it's not like you're gonna

825
00:34:52,020 --> 00:34:54,119
see anything different

826
00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:56,280
happening you're not going to see a

827
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:57,900
different type of party happening over

828
00:34:57,900 --> 00:35:00,060
here during Tuesday

829
00:35:00,060 --> 00:35:01,859
that's not anything I think anybody

830
00:35:01,859 --> 00:35:02,820
would notice

831
00:35:02,820 --> 00:35:05,460
could I'm just putting this out there

832
00:35:05,460 --> 00:35:08,880
could it be processed in a way where

833
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,280
they do have to provide all those things

834
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,520
they have to get approval but the main

835
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,400
event sponsor also has to sign off on

836
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,119
something saying yes we've we confirmed

837
00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:24,079
these are part of our events

838
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:27,480
participate that we don't take on legal

839
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,599
responsibility taxes any of that for

840
00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:33,359
them but we are also recognizing that

841
00:35:33,359 --> 00:35:35,099
they are a component of our environment

842
00:35:35,099 --> 00:35:37,320
yeah because I think also easy to do for

843
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,700
the purposes of like continued

844
00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:41,280
evaluation and actually sort of grading

845
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,680
events after they happen I mean it would

846
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:44,940
be good to

847
00:35:44,940 --> 00:35:47,099
have Jeep Safari kind of own these sub

848
00:35:47,099 --> 00:35:48,839
events as far as reflecting on their

849
00:35:48,839 --> 00:35:51,420
overall application just to kind of make

850
00:35:51,420 --> 00:35:52,920
sure everybody's

851
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,290
holding to a similar standard

852
00:35:57,300 --> 00:36:00,000
so what that looks like

853
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,119
um having them proceed with the permit

854
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:04,800
and having that

855
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,160
go through approval or denial but also

856
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,859
coming up with some kind of condition

857
00:36:09,859 --> 00:36:14,099
for the Jeep Safari event

858
00:36:14,099 --> 00:36:16,440
um to say to sign off or to provide

859
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,099
something or would well they're they're

860
00:36:20,099 --> 00:36:22,320
different legal entities so I think you

861
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,119
know a Jeep Safari organization is going

862
00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:26,640
to be reluctant to sign on to something

863
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,500
with too much red tape I do think it's

864
00:36:28,500 --> 00:36:30,900
important that jeep Safari is confirming

865
00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:33,720
for us that these are their vendors and

866
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:36,060
these are events that um you know their

867
00:36:36,060 --> 00:36:37,680
participants are including in but I

868
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,480
think they can do that by email and they

869
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,400
can just object if anything isn't

870
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,800
associated with cheap Safari in an

871
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,839
informal way without building a lot of

872
00:36:45,839 --> 00:36:47,220
red tape around it

873
00:36:47,220 --> 00:36:49,619
just like validating like if I was to

874
00:36:49,619 --> 00:36:53,400
send an email saying these five

875
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,920
companies are applying for

876
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:56,660
um

877
00:36:56,660 --> 00:36:59,579
applications saying that they are coming

878
00:36:59,579 --> 00:37:01,740
for the Easter Jeep Safari can you

879
00:37:01,740 --> 00:37:03,660
please validate

880
00:37:03,660 --> 00:37:06,359
yeah and likewise could we also have

881
00:37:06,359 --> 00:37:09,240
those say five

882
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:13,020
sub-event companies signs saying we are

883
00:37:13,020 --> 00:37:15,960
while we don't you know we aren't under

884
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,440
Easter Jeep Safari we are a piece of

885
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,119
that so that if they come in and they

886
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:22,859
end up doing something completely

887
00:37:22,859 --> 00:37:26,470
different

888
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,820
but it could be for a review of what you

889
00:37:29,820 --> 00:37:31,619
said you were part of this we would have

890
00:37:31,619 --> 00:37:34,260
uh potentially evaluated it a little

891
00:37:34,260 --> 00:37:36,960
differently because you would have been

892
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,730
completely separate

893
00:37:40,740 --> 00:37:43,079
well if we're permitting them I don't

894
00:37:43,079 --> 00:37:45,060
think we need I mean we can evaluate

895
00:37:45,060 --> 00:37:46,500
that we that can be part of our post

896
00:37:46,500 --> 00:37:48,480
event evaluation period right I mean I

897
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:49,920
would assume the narrative that they're

898
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,720
submitting is going to tie them to Jeep

899
00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:53,700
Safari we're going to go through the

900
00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:55,740
permit process with them and then if

901
00:37:55,740 --> 00:37:56,640
there's

902
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,859
um you know some violation there of any

903
00:37:58,859 --> 00:38:01,320
sort we would deal with it in our

904
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,320
hopefully much more expanded post-event

905
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:10,310
evaluation process

906
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,000
what do you think Mallory does that do

907
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,079
you have concerns that aren't being

908
00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:16,619
addressed by that no I just am probably

909
00:38:16,619 --> 00:38:19,020
overthinking it and I'm wondering if in

910
00:38:19,020 --> 00:38:22,200
the application we could just build in

911
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,800
an easy question on both ends of do you

912
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,880
have any do you anticipate any sub event

913
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,420
companies being tied to this it doesn't

914
00:38:33,420 --> 00:38:35,700
you know commit them to anything it's

915
00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:37,619
just that heads up

916
00:38:37,619 --> 00:38:40,500
um validation and likewise other people

917
00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:43,680
the question could be or are you

918
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,220
like a sub event to a larger one if so

919
00:38:47,220 --> 00:38:48,480
what about

920
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,480
just for capturing that information is

921
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,900
in a post-evaluation it might be hard if

922
00:38:54,900 --> 00:38:57,599
we don't know officially that yes these

923
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:00,900
were tied together under this event

924
00:39:00,900 --> 00:39:04,730
am I overthinking that

925
00:39:04,740 --> 00:39:06,660
we haven't really gotten to see how the

926
00:39:06,660 --> 00:39:08,520
narratives are going to work I guess and

927
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:09,960
so it's possible that the narratives

928
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,640
would capture it it's possible that they

929
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:12,540
won't

930
00:39:12,540 --> 00:39:15,180
but I got I got I love extra questions

931
00:39:15,180 --> 00:39:17,460
so I got no problem asking questions in

932
00:39:17,460 --> 00:39:19,440
an application

933
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,440
ask um you know in the application for

934
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,200
the event narrative end of a side note

935
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,520
of

936
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,040
you know these are all of the things you

937
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,099
should include yeah and failure to do so

938
00:39:32,099 --> 00:39:33,839
could

939
00:39:33,839 --> 00:39:36,839
result in denial

940
00:39:36,839 --> 00:39:39,540
I think people would want to it's just

941
00:39:39,540 --> 00:39:42,119
making sure it's clear this is where you

942
00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:43,640
provide that information

943
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,900
I don't I don't think it's going to be

944
00:39:45,900 --> 00:39:48,359
that big of a deal just having

945
00:39:48,359 --> 00:39:50,280
the Red Rock four-wheelers validating

946
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,619
these vendors I could tell you right now

947
00:39:52,619 --> 00:39:54,599
like all of these vendors are at the

948
00:39:54,599 --> 00:39:55,800
vendor show

949
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,020
I think I know they are

950
00:39:58,020 --> 00:40:00,599
and maybe the conversation where I'm

951
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:02,760
coming from is just looking at it as not

952
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,150
specific

953
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,920
from any other event yeah

954
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,720
didn't we in general if we've got an

955
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:11,940
event that has these kind of sub events

956
00:40:11,940 --> 00:40:14,220
we just it's up to the main event

957
00:40:14,220 --> 00:40:16,020
applicant to say hey when you approve us

958
00:40:16,020 --> 00:40:17,700
we will hope you'll also improve and

959
00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:20,640
they list all the sub events and other

960
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,020
and if they don't do that then we just

961
00:40:22,020 --> 00:40:23,460
treat them as separate events we might

962
00:40:23,460 --> 00:40:25,440
approve someone not others because we

963
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:26,940
weren't informed that they were all

964
00:40:26,940 --> 00:40:29,040
related you know it seems like that's a

965
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,859
general policy that too all

966
00:40:31,859 --> 00:40:33,660
too often that the event holder would

967
00:40:33,660 --> 00:40:35,220
know if there's a sub of it happening

968
00:40:35,220 --> 00:40:39,960
yeah it's almost like an endorsement but if they don't know or if they don't

969
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,000
care I mean maybe somebody doesn't like

970
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,740
these you know

971
00:40:43,740 --> 00:40:45,240
you break events that attached like

972
00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:46,800
lampreys

973
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:47,579
um

974
00:40:47,579 --> 00:40:49,619
so

975
00:40:49,619 --> 00:40:52,320
but but I just I mean what I was

976
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,480
assuming initially is that you know

977
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:55,859
these were sort of considered an

978
00:40:55,859 --> 00:40:57,480
integral part of the Jeep Safari it

979
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,280
would be kind of awkward if we approved

980
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,260
the chief Safari but not some of these

981
00:41:01,260 --> 00:41:04,020
sub events and so I was inclined to

982
00:41:04,020 --> 00:41:05,940
do it all as a package but but if

983
00:41:05,940 --> 00:41:08,099
instead it's true that the SE if I would

984
00:41:08,099 --> 00:41:09,359
just assumed that they you know these

985
00:41:09,359 --> 00:41:11,160
things not be there the tape don't think

986
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:12,839
it adds anything to an event then they I

987
00:41:12,839 --> 00:41:13,920
think we should treat them as separate

988
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,839
events

989
00:41:15,839 --> 00:41:19,150
um

990
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,900
so this brings up um

991
00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:23,880
a perfect example with

992
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,140
Bob

993
00:41:25,140 --> 00:41:28,010
is

994
00:41:28,020 --> 00:41:31,920
over their time period and

995
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,500
they may be in the situation where they

996
00:41:34,500 --> 00:41:36,960
could possibly be having some events but

997
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,339
this be something that you would want to

998
00:41:38,339 --> 00:41:40,740
know in the intent to apply or could it

999
00:41:40,740 --> 00:41:43,320
happen in the application process

1000
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,320
all right

1001
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:51,829
I just have a question so I'm

1002
00:41:51,839 --> 00:41:55,859
so the Jeep Safari is is the perimeter

1003
00:41:55,859 --> 00:41:58,320
person that permits

1004
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,880
and

1005
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,940
so part of the permit is this is listed

1006
00:42:02,940 --> 00:42:05,220
these are listed on the permit that

1007
00:42:05,220 --> 00:42:08,579
these other the wheels Wheel Pros the

1008
00:42:08,579 --> 00:42:12,420
aeb those are all listed in the event or

1009
00:42:12,420 --> 00:42:16,140
the application senders correct yeah so

1010
00:42:16,140 --> 00:42:17,280
I'm

1011
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,980
I thought not just to BLM but to us as

1012
00:42:19,980 --> 00:42:21,300
well the

1013
00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:23,099
my impression is know that the reason

1014
00:42:23,099 --> 00:42:24,540
that they're separate on our list is

1015
00:42:24,540 --> 00:42:25,859
because they're separate so far as the

1016
00:42:25,859 --> 00:42:27,540
BLM is concerned each of them has their

1017
00:42:27,540 --> 00:42:30,119
own independent as a special Recreation

1018
00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:34,500
permit yeah but uh are are they under

1019
00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:37,980
Safari as a vendor but not as a event

1020
00:42:37,980 --> 00:42:42,000
organizer okay so they're they're under

1021
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,780
Jeep Safari for their vendoring part but

1022
00:42:45,780 --> 00:42:47,400
separate from their vendoring part

1023
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,980
they're taking their okay I got it now

1024
00:42:49,980 --> 00:42:52,740
so in the intent to apply and to

1025
00:42:52,740 --> 00:42:54,900
workflow it will have something do you

1026
00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:57,960
have any vendors and if it's yes then it

1027
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,660
will go to okay what are those vendors

1028
00:43:00,660 --> 00:43:02,940
you know you might not have all of the

1029
00:43:02,940 --> 00:43:05,640
details in terms of their tax ID numbers

1030
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,540
yada yada so we could just say do you

1031
00:43:09,540 --> 00:43:11,640
have any vendors if things like

1032
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,920
or even do you have any vendors or sub

1033
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,500
events like click yes then it's just

1034
00:43:16,500 --> 00:43:18,900
saying okay which ones yeah

1035
00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:21,180
it kind of captures that without tying

1036
00:43:21,180 --> 00:43:24,540
anybody to anything it's just another

1037
00:43:24,540 --> 00:43:26,400
you know area we could capture that

1038
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,380
information so we know if they're tied

1039
00:43:28,380 --> 00:43:31,440
together yeah and I I think that it's

1040
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,560
good information to have and sure we

1041
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,720
should help get on the application but I

1042
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:39,359
also think that given that they're just

1043
00:43:39,359 --> 00:43:41,460
they're in town they're vendors they're

1044
00:43:41,460 --> 00:43:42,720
trying to then

1045
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:45,359
use their position and their influence

1046
00:43:45,359 --> 00:43:47,400
or whatever to make their own events we

1047
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,319
should definitely evaluate them as their

1048
00:43:49,319 --> 00:43:52,020
own effects do we have pretty um like

1049
00:43:52,020 --> 00:43:53,220
explicit

1050
00:43:53,220 --> 00:43:55,680
uh confirmation that their rides are

1051
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,720
sort of more friends and family kind of

1052
00:43:57,720 --> 00:43:59,579
rides rather than

1053
00:43:59,579 --> 00:44:02,040
English about they say

1054
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,339
um what they're doing that it's a

1055
00:44:05,339 --> 00:44:07,680
it's for their Quan says creation and

1056
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:12,000
customer tours one says I'm just for

1057
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,040
employees

1058
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,220
um secret traveler they say employees so

1059
00:44:17,220 --> 00:44:18,960
they listed out what they're doing

1060
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,440
yeah because I mean I think it's worth

1061
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,000
extra scrutiny here especially because

1062
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,800
this is a very large motorized event but

1063
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:26,760
something that came up in the last

1064
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,339
special events meeting was kind of uh an

1065
00:44:29,339 --> 00:44:30,839
analogous situation with something like

1066
00:44:30,839 --> 00:44:33,060
outer bike where there might be

1067
00:44:33,060 --> 00:44:35,040
um like trail rides with employees of a

1068
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,200
specific vendor and you know whether we

1069
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,300
treat that the same way is that the same

1070
00:44:39,300 --> 00:44:41,819
thing you know what's our

1071
00:44:41,819 --> 00:44:47,829
kind of broader philosophy here

1072
00:44:47,839 --> 00:44:51,660
well I think Sarah you said evaluate and

1073
00:44:51,660 --> 00:44:53,760
that made me think of I've got a huge

1074
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,920
part of this the post about evaluation

1075
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,640
so yeah if we have this way to evaluate

1076
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,300
from our referral agencies you know

1077
00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:05,220
various people involved that's important

1078
00:45:05,220 --> 00:45:07,319
but if we knew that there were some

1079
00:45:07,319 --> 00:45:10,859
events we could have the main event

1080
00:45:10,859 --> 00:45:13,319
you know have some questions in theirs

1081
00:45:13,319 --> 00:45:15,900
about if they have any negative issues

1082
00:45:15,900 --> 00:45:19,140
with any of their some events so given

1083
00:45:19,140 --> 00:45:20,400
that we have limited time I'm just

1084
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,020
wondering if we should move on from this

1085
00:45:22,020 --> 00:45:29,510
topic yeah

1086
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,859
in these sub events

1087
00:45:31,859 --> 00:45:35,339
this isn't even all of them

1088
00:45:35,339 --> 00:45:37,079
like all of the vendors like we don't

1089
00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:38,220
know what all the other vendors are

1090
00:45:38,220 --> 00:45:39,960
doing so these are only the ones with

1091
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,319
srps and so our vendors two weeks since

1092
00:45:43,319 --> 00:45:46,500
I sent out the email to 500 people these

1093
00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:48,300
are the ones that are

1094
00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:50,819
reciprocating and applying

1095
00:45:50,819 --> 00:45:53,760
and so Jeep Safari has kind of a limited

1096
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,500
number of trail rides that they are

1097
00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:58,200
allowed like a kind of quota and then

1098
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,760
these are an addition

1099
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,819
to that or these will be the same Trails

1100
00:46:02,819 --> 00:46:05,940
right but additional uh reps on those

1101
00:46:05,940 --> 00:46:08,280
yeah so like say

1102
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,920
let's just use fins and things as an

1103
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,380
example so suspense and thinks the trial

1104
00:46:13,380 --> 00:46:15,380
leaves at eight o'clock in the morning

1105
00:46:15,380 --> 00:46:20,339
they they leave then maybe super winch

1106
00:46:20,339 --> 00:46:22,200
wants to start it and run it at 1

1107
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:23,400
o'clock

1108
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,579
so they'll run it up one right so I I do

1109
00:46:26,579 --> 00:46:27,720
agree with Kevin that we should probably

1110
00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:29,160
move on to get to the rest of the list

1111
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,140
but I do think this is we have to kind

1112
00:46:31,140 --> 00:46:33,180
of put a pin in this because it is

1113
00:46:33,180 --> 00:46:35,220
this kind of added impact to that if we

1114
00:46:35,220 --> 00:46:36,780
just kind of go oh it's just part of

1115
00:46:36,780 --> 00:46:39,599
this then we're not really cataloging

1116
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:41,160
that property and this could come back

1117
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,079
to like a condition to something that

1118
00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:45,720
you see again so this was just an intent

1119
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:48,359
to apply that we're being I'm presented

1120
00:46:48,359 --> 00:46:50,099
with right now but when it comes to the

1121
00:46:50,099 --> 00:46:52,380
application process then we would get

1122
00:46:52,380 --> 00:46:54,300
into okay what's your course map what

1123
00:46:54,300 --> 00:46:56,339
are you doing what day what are you

1124
00:46:56,339 --> 00:46:58,680
doing on what types right and that's

1125
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,079
what we would get more of those detailed

1126
00:47:01,079 --> 00:47:02,940
information and maybe it also sounds

1127
00:47:02,940 --> 00:47:04,440
like the kind of thing that the BLM

1128
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,300
presumably is thinking about so I don't

1129
00:47:06,300 --> 00:47:08,760
know that it makes sense for us to

1130
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,440
think about who's scheduled and which

1131
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:11,880
drills when

1132
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,339
right independently of what the vln is

1133
00:47:14,339 --> 00:47:15,839
doing so would we want to but we

1134
00:47:15,839 --> 00:47:17,640
condition a cap that's part of the

1135
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,800
application process

1136
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:26,990
as far as what courses they're on not what types right

1137
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,319
yeah and especially knowing that we

1138
00:47:28,319 --> 00:47:29,880
don't have the full list of vendors

1139
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,040
doing these activities I mean it would

1140
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,140
be good to have kind of a cap or a

1141
00:47:34,140 --> 00:47:35,760
general sense of

1142
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,280
limitation

1143
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,140
yeah I guess like looking at big picture

1144
00:47:40,140 --> 00:47:43,200
and like okay if Jeep Safari we Clump in

1145
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,020
all of these events and sub-events

1146
00:47:46,020 --> 00:47:48,300
that's better than spreading out

1147
00:47:48,300 --> 00:47:50,040
motorized events on every single weekend

1148
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,079
on all of those trails

1149
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:54,180
so I don't know

1150
00:47:54,180 --> 00:47:55,500
I mean I

1151
00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:57,780
need to move on yeah

1152
00:47:57,780 --> 00:48:00,480
keep going yeah let's get uh what's the

1153
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:10,990
next one was number 15.

1154
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,760
it's not on the agenda oh because it was

1155
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,060
considered a low impact event

1156
00:48:17,060 --> 00:48:20,640
okay so that one needs to be crossed off

1157
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:21,839
so we don't we're not worried about

1158
00:48:21,839 --> 00:48:24,900
number 15. on this list you'll be

1159
00:48:24,900 --> 00:48:27,000
jumping to number 16. looks pretty

1160
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:35,270
interesting yeah yeah so

1161
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,490
um

1162
00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:42,540
Green River dirt bike rally it's a

1163
00:48:42,540 --> 00:48:45,240
motorized and Expo event the dates are

1164
00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:48,180
April 13th through 15th the total daily

1165
00:48:48,180 --> 00:48:50,180
attendance is

1166
00:48:50,180 --> 00:48:55,160
430. I'm this event is primarily

1167
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,260
centralized in Green River the reason

1168
00:48:58,260 --> 00:49:00,720
why they're applying for a Grand County

1169
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:02,480
permit is because

1170
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:07,560
15 people so 15 motorcycles and we'll be

1171
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,619
doing a trail in Grand County in the

1172
00:49:10,619 --> 00:49:11,760
whitewash

1173
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,540
um sand dunes area this this that trail

1174
00:49:15,540 --> 00:49:18,240
is more of what you would consider like

1175
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:20,700
expert level it's a harder course so

1176
00:49:20,700 --> 00:49:23,339
that's why only 15 of those motorcycles

1177
00:49:23,339 --> 00:49:26,460
will be going onto that trail minimal

1178
00:49:26,460 --> 00:49:29,940
attendance I'm Motors Motors will be

1179
00:49:29,940 --> 00:49:32,220
trailered and I'm tracked to the

1180
00:49:32,220 --> 00:49:35,640
trailhead and as far as history there's

1181
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,780
been no SAR extractions or anything

1182
00:49:39,780 --> 00:49:43,319
um that promotes concern history wise as

1183
00:49:43,319 --> 00:49:45,300
far as this so that attendance number

1184
00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:46,800
that doesn't reflect the number of

1185
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,380
people in Grand County because it's it's

1186
00:49:49,380 --> 00:49:52,079
well yeah it's centralized a Green River

1187
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:54,300
that Excel all of that will be happening

1188
00:49:54,300 --> 00:49:55,740
in Green River the only thing that's

1189
00:49:55,740 --> 00:49:58,200
entering Grand county is the one-day

1190
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,480
trail that will be happening with the

1191
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,819
15th right and did I see that the

1192
00:50:02,819 --> 00:50:04,140
promoter was actually the city of Green

1193
00:50:04,140 --> 00:50:06,119
River yeah

1194
00:50:06,119 --> 00:50:07,560
and I feel like it's not our place our

1195
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,500
place to deny their regular event for 50

1196
00:50:10,500 --> 00:50:13,370
for physicals

1197
00:50:13,380 --> 00:50:15,960
so not Five Guys with those 15 people so

1198
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,930
each guide has three people

1199
00:50:19,940 --> 00:50:22,020
what was the name

1200
00:50:22,020 --> 00:50:23,780
uh it's the way at the white Washington

1201
00:50:23,780 --> 00:50:26,420
open OHV area right

1202
00:50:26,420 --> 00:50:30,370
yeah

1203
00:50:30,380 --> 00:50:32,940
okay yeah and did

1204
00:50:32,940 --> 00:50:34,740
um did Green County search and rescues

1205
00:50:34,740 --> 00:50:37,079
sign off on this or they just gave

1206
00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:39,599
details from past events Aaron and he

1207
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:41,760
sent me a heat map and I asked them I

1208
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,560
said are there any specific events that

1209
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,540
you're concerned about and the only one

1210
00:50:45,540 --> 00:50:47,099
he mentioned was the base jumping event

1211
00:50:47,099 --> 00:50:48,660
that happened okay

1212
00:50:48,660 --> 00:50:50,760
um but he told me that the answer to

1213
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,800
that question was super complicated but

1214
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,540
I just looked at the mat this morning

1215
00:50:54,540 --> 00:50:56,280
and most of the stuff that happens

1216
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,339
involved Chiefs and ATVs honestly gosh

1217
00:50:59,339 --> 00:51:03,839
right but very specific yeah

1218
00:51:03,839 --> 00:51:06,480
when I think that uh yeah that follow-up

1219
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,940
again like continuing to you know if if

1220
00:51:08,940 --> 00:51:11,099
this event happens assessing what

1221
00:51:11,099 --> 00:51:14,099
happened on the um kind of safety and

1222
00:51:14,099 --> 00:51:16,450
um

1223
00:51:16,460 --> 00:51:18,480
extractions like the reason they don't

1224
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,339
call search and rescue as much is

1225
00:51:20,339 --> 00:51:22,260
because they have the capacity to take

1226
00:51:22,260 --> 00:51:24,180
care of the situation with rise which is

1227
00:51:24,180 --> 00:51:26,880
probably true of this event again all of

1228
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,520
the guides are not wolf or certified but

1229
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,339
they all have CPR first aid life support

1230
00:51:32,339 --> 00:51:34,680
and that's something

1231
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,839
going through the process if the intent

1232
00:51:36,839 --> 00:51:38,700
to apply is approved

1233
00:51:38,700 --> 00:51:41,540
it would then be approved by the final

1234
00:51:41,540 --> 00:51:43,740
application would be approved by this

1235
00:51:43,740 --> 00:51:46,260
special event advisory committee who

1236
00:51:46,260 --> 00:51:47,760
would need

1237
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,339
search and rescue to sign off and

1238
00:51:50,339 --> 00:51:54,890
provide any conditions

1239
00:51:54,900 --> 00:51:56,160
any other questions on the dirt bike

1240
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:57,720
rally

1241
00:51:57,720 --> 00:51:58,619
no

1242
00:51:58,619 --> 00:52:03,480
okay so number 16 which is 17 so now

1243
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:04,980
we're our number they're getting we're

1244
00:52:04,980 --> 00:52:08,280
one off on this sheet I'm 16 on the

1245
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,920
agenda is amnesty Trail raise athletic

1246
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,859
competitions April 15 total daily

1247
00:52:13,859 --> 00:52:17,220
attendance is 310. it's a running event

1248
00:52:17,220 --> 00:52:20,280
using amnesty back area 13 years of

1249
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,160
History good standing and the ITA was

1250
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:27,710
approved by uh

1251
00:52:27,720 --> 00:52:30,300
is that a local uh promoter

1252
00:52:30,300 --> 00:52:37,309
it is okay

1253
00:52:37,319 --> 00:52:39,599
I'm assuming the staging happens out

1254
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:44,510
there

1255
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,280
I mean what I've heard from like

1256
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:48,240
different members of the community

1257
00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:51,660
especially about that specific spot

1258
00:52:51,660 --> 00:52:54,240
like a mossback parking lot it's just

1259
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:55,940
that it's

1260
00:52:55,940 --> 00:52:58,380
madness out there especially on these

1261
00:52:58,380 --> 00:53:00,240
big weekends in April when also there's

1262
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:03,059
a ton of tourists and

1263
00:53:03,059 --> 00:53:04,740
so I don't know if there's a different

1264
00:53:04,740 --> 00:53:06,900
place where they could stage

1265
00:53:06,900 --> 00:53:09,240
something like that

1266
00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:16,510
um

1267
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:23,470
yeah okay yeah

1268
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,339
right but now so you'd run up to the

1269
00:53:26,339 --> 00:53:28,339
lower Trail along the creek now

1270
00:53:28,339 --> 00:53:30,960
okay so this is perhaps the different

1271
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:35,710
race I was hearing about

1272
00:53:35,720 --> 00:53:38,579
I've also participated in this one but a

1273
00:53:38,579 --> 00:53:40,559
few it's been a few years but I I mean I

1274
00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:42,119
share your concern about

1275
00:53:42,119 --> 00:53:44,400
you know this kind of craziness and I do

1276
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:45,900
think we already have lots of running

1277
00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:47,700
events and I think we should be a little

1278
00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:49,980
more selective or just think about

1279
00:53:49,980 --> 00:53:51,660
posting conditions I don't know if this

1280
00:53:51,660 --> 00:53:54,359
is the one that's I I yeah I would say I

1281
00:53:54,359 --> 00:53:56,040
mean it's it's on April 15th which is a

1282
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:57,839
Saturday and it's literally about the

1283
00:53:57,839 --> 00:53:59,520
busiest time of the year for for bike

1284
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,319
rentals and such I'm also backs one of

1285
00:54:01,319 --> 00:54:03,359
the very busiest trailheads in the areas

1286
00:54:03,359 --> 00:54:05,400
that that is going to be a bit of a

1287
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:14,890
cluster

1288
00:54:14,900 --> 00:54:18,960
and be out of there right yes

1289
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,460
but

1290
00:54:20,460 --> 00:54:22,559
that that place is just Madness all the

1291
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:23,880
time yeah

1292
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,660
other than like January yeah but also

1293
00:54:27,660 --> 00:54:29,099
offer the suggestion of using the

1294
00:54:29,099 --> 00:54:31,200
shuttle yeah that's what I was thinking

1295
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:32,579
this is the stage at the middle school

1296
00:54:32,579 --> 00:54:34,619
or the elementary school or something

1297
00:54:34,619 --> 00:54:39,349
yeah it is yeah

1298
00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:48,790
foreign

1299
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,359
packet pickup was actually out of the

1300
00:54:51,359 --> 00:54:54,359
trailhead last fall and so there was it

1301
00:54:54,359 --> 00:54:56,280
was literally like two days of just

1302
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,319
massive interference instead of just one

1303
00:54:58,319 --> 00:55:00,000
so if a pack of pickup could be a town

1304
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,260
that would make a huge difference too

1305
00:55:01,260 --> 00:55:03,420
and last year did they say it was

1306
00:55:03,420 --> 00:55:06,240
because of covet and they had to do I

1307
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:08,640
remember but that was uh that was uh so

1308
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,579
the 15th was a is a Wednesday

1309
00:55:11,579 --> 00:55:13,740
it's a Saturday yeah

1310
00:55:13,740 --> 00:55:16,380
I'm looking at April am I on the wrong

1311
00:55:16,380 --> 00:55:18,599
month so oh maybe you know I'm on the

1312
00:55:18,599 --> 00:55:20,520
wrong mode so that's the other 15 . yes

1313
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:24,109
Saturday I'm sorry yeah

1314
00:55:24,119 --> 00:55:26,040
and that's that's the weekend traffic

1315
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:27,599
gets

1316
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:31,079
blows up yeah it's really big

1317
00:55:31,079 --> 00:55:34,020
but anyway yeah I like suggesting that

1318
00:55:34,020 --> 00:55:35,700
the shuttle and at least making sure

1319
00:55:35,700 --> 00:55:36,480
that

1320
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:41,870
pickup and staging is

1321
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,680
um yeah I mean yeah when you look back

1322
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,660
at this race I can't remember how it's

1323
00:55:45,660 --> 00:55:47,819
been around for a long time and yeah it

1324
00:55:47,819 --> 00:55:49,859
was back in the day when there weren't

1325
00:55:49,859 --> 00:55:52,500
many people out there

1326
00:55:52,500 --> 00:55:54,960
so

1327
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:59,280
yeah I think to make sure those are yeah

1328
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:00,720
those are good good questions for this

1329
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:03,589
one I think

1330
00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:07,319
everyone okay number 17 on the agenda is

1331
00:56:07,319 --> 00:56:11,160
Cruz Moab Rising Sun it's a motorized

1332
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:15,119
um expo at osta with campy the dates are

1333
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:18,359
April 17th through the 22nd total daily

1334
00:56:18,359 --> 00:56:22,619
attendance is 555. they have 25 years of

1335
00:56:22,619 --> 00:56:25,200
history and good standing

1336
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:26,099
um

1337
00:56:26,099 --> 00:56:29,220
they limit their registration to 250

1338
00:56:29,220 --> 00:56:31,680
vehicles that also includes their

1339
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,720
vendors they require their vendors to

1340
00:56:33,720 --> 00:56:36,540
register and then they only allow 20

1341
00:56:36,540 --> 00:56:38,579
rigs per trials

1342
00:56:38,579 --> 00:56:42,470
and that's a date

1343
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,359
so it's off-road vehicles I I honestly

1344
00:56:45,359 --> 00:56:48,540
can't recall Cruz Moab it's Toyota oh

1345
00:56:48,540 --> 00:56:54,230
it's Toyota okay interesting gotcha

1346
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:56,160
so it's similar to it's like a mini Jeep

1347
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:57,780
Safari but using Toyotas instead of

1348
00:56:57,780 --> 00:57:00,540
jeepers okay gotcha and they uh limit

1349
00:57:00,540 --> 00:57:02,640
the number of people on the trail yeah

1350
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:08,569
and the number of vehicles

1351
00:57:08,579 --> 00:57:10,559
yeah they're at their Max of what they

1352
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:12,599
want to be and I just spoke to him this

1353
00:57:12,599 --> 00:57:13,740
morning he's

1354
00:57:13,740 --> 00:57:21,349
they're as big as they want to get

1355
00:57:21,359 --> 00:57:24,480
okay so moving on number 18 is Grand

1356
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,940
Circle Trail Fizz Fest this is a new

1357
00:57:26,940 --> 00:57:28,200
event

1358
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,599
um it's an athletic running event with

1359
00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:33,839
Expos at OSA and camping the dates will

1360
00:57:33,839 --> 00:57:36,540
be April 26th through the 30th total

1361
00:57:36,540 --> 00:57:39,180
daily attendance will be 700. I'm

1362
00:57:39,180 --> 00:57:41,099
running an event using Pritchett at

1363
00:57:41,099 --> 00:57:44,339
Hunter Canyon King Springs

1364
00:57:44,339 --> 00:57:47,819
um BS Boy Scouts base camp Gemini

1365
00:57:47,819 --> 00:57:51,059
Bridges and porcupine Ram trails

1366
00:57:51,059 --> 00:57:53,040
so this is kind of like Jeep Safari for

1367
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,800
runners right right they've been really

1368
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,300
excited about this event they tried

1369
00:57:57,300 --> 00:57:59,460
doing it over the past couple years but

1370
00:57:59,460 --> 00:58:02,160
with coven it kept pushing things out

1371
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:03,960
um so but it's like all-inclusive they

1372
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:05,579
kind of the campus yeah they do like

1373
00:58:05,579 --> 00:58:07,319
food trucks or something out there yep

1374
00:58:07,319 --> 00:58:10,380
food camping the Excel will be there

1375
00:58:10,380 --> 00:58:12,240
they'll be leaving from do they have

1376
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:13,859
shuttles themselves to the trailheads

1377
00:58:13,859 --> 00:58:15,599
too so that you can park and leave your

1378
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:16,980
car and then just take a shuttle to the

1379
00:58:16,980 --> 00:58:18,720
Run

1380
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:22,800
Frozen really miserable trail run hard

1381
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,970
ones anyway

1382
00:58:25,980 --> 00:58:28,200
um where are they from

1383
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,059
I'm

1384
00:58:30,059 --> 00:58:32,460
uh it's throwing me up I want to say he

1385
00:58:32,460 --> 00:58:34,380
is out of Colorado

1386
00:58:34,380 --> 00:58:37,819
if I remember right right

1387
00:58:37,819 --> 00:58:42,829
I think they come out of Colorado

1388
00:58:42,839 --> 00:58:45,180
of all the running events so far this is

1389
00:58:45,180 --> 00:58:46,500
the one I'm like well it hasn't happened

1390
00:58:46,500 --> 00:58:48,920
yet and

1391
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,299
the applications says Washington Utah

1392
00:58:51,299 --> 00:58:53,339
right

1393
00:58:53,339 --> 00:58:54,660
ah

1394
00:58:54,660 --> 00:58:58,500
Craig's done it was like I think when I

1395
00:58:58,500 --> 00:59:00,660
first met them it was right before covet

1396
00:59:00,660 --> 00:59:02,099
hit so it's been a couple years since

1397
00:59:02,099 --> 00:59:04,500
I've seen him in person we've been

1398
00:59:04,500 --> 00:59:06,000
trying to get this one off the ground

1399
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,799
for a while

1400
00:59:07,799 --> 00:59:09,900
right it's a bit of a different Paradigm

1401
00:59:09,900 --> 00:59:15,530
than the other events

1402
00:59:15,540 --> 00:59:17,520
for better words okay we're halfway done

1403
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,380
through our time try to get through the

1404
00:59:19,380 --> 00:59:22,140
list so number 19 building me on

1405
00:59:22,140 --> 00:59:24,599
um Festival dates are April 26th through

1406
00:59:24,599 --> 00:59:26,900
the 30th total daily attendance 500

1407
00:59:26,900 --> 00:59:29,760
private property with additional use

1408
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,099
permit music and sustainability Festival

1409
00:59:32,099 --> 00:59:34,380
12 years of history with good standing

1410
00:59:34,380 --> 00:59:36,359
they're over near Green River yeah right

1411
00:59:36,359 --> 00:59:37,920
now it's like just barely on the ground

1412
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,359
yeah

1413
00:59:39,359 --> 00:59:43,140
have you uh is anyone I'm sure you've

1414
00:59:43,140 --> 00:59:44,520
been in the first year yeah it's been a

1415
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,200
while but I wouldn't expect that um

1416
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:47,640
there would be a lot of spill over in a

1417
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:49,740
Moab or is that no I think a lot of

1418
00:59:49,740 --> 00:59:51,240
people from Moab just go up there but I

1419
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:52,799
don't think anybody I want to know

1420
00:59:52,799 --> 00:59:55,680
what's happening no never mind it's

1421
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:56,819
actually I mean there's like a lot of

1422
00:59:56,819 --> 00:59:59,220
permaculture projects oh okay I mean

1423
00:59:59,220 --> 01:00:00,839
there is like also all night music and

1424
01:00:00,839 --> 01:00:03,420
things yeah it's a pretty but it's out

1425
01:00:03,420 --> 01:00:04,740
in the desert today it's the northeast

1426
01:00:04,740 --> 01:00:06,720
of Green River right I'd say it's mostly

1427
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:07,940
good

1428
01:00:07,940 --> 01:00:10,020
now that Evans attended this event

1429
01:00:10,020 --> 01:00:21,549
Building Man Evans

1430
01:00:21,559 --> 01:00:23,579
okay so now we're going

1431
01:00:23,579 --> 01:00:27,119
May attempts I we have number 20 this

1432
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:29,460
biker belly this is actually two events

1433
01:00:29,460 --> 01:00:32,280
in back to back weekends the first date

1434
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:37,559
is uh May 4th through May 6 and then May

1435
01:00:37,559 --> 01:00:40,200
11th through the 13th total daily

1436
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:43,440
attendance is 98 per weekend and this is

1437
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,540
a gravel mountain bike event using

1438
01:00:45,540 --> 01:00:48,319
Kokopelli trail from Fruita to Moab

1439
01:00:48,319 --> 01:00:51,119
fully supported event with food staff

1440
01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:52,920
medical

1441
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,040
um over 20 years of good history study

1442
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,440
and I I there's a disclosure I've

1443
01:00:58,440 --> 01:00:59,819
provided shuttles to this event in the

1444
01:00:59,819 --> 01:01:02,880
past from from my business and uh it's

1445
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:04,619
um they've been great to work with and

1446
01:01:04,619 --> 01:01:06,240
they're mostly in the back country they

1447
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:07,740
only come into mob on the very last day

1448
01:01:07,740 --> 01:01:09,359
and then we actually shuttle them right

1449
01:01:09,359 --> 01:01:11,220
out so

1450
01:01:11,220 --> 01:01:14,640
anyway it says they have zero years

1451
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:15,960
it's the first time they've applied for

1452
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,890
a permit okay

1453
01:01:18,900 --> 01:01:21,059
and this is also an event that starts in

1454
01:01:21,059 --> 01:01:24,549
Colorado and then it comes into

1455
01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:27,240
right yeah

1456
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,760
oh that's a long bike

1457
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:30,740
um

1458
01:01:30,740 --> 01:01:34,859
number 21 is Bronco Safari this is a

1459
01:01:34,859 --> 01:01:37,799
motorized expo at osta and on the trails

1460
01:01:37,799 --> 01:01:41,280
dates are May 2nd through May 6th total

1461
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:45,720
daily attendance is 335 people with 175

1462
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:47,400
of those people being registered

1463
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,200
vehicles

1464
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,520
um 12 years of good standing history

1465
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:58,260
this event is mostly more like

1466
01:01:58,260 --> 01:02:01,500
I don't want to call them antique but

1467
01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:04,380
um vehicles that are the Vintage Broncos

1468
01:02:04,380 --> 01:02:07,200
like the Vintage yeah that's right yeah

1469
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:08,520
um they are becoming more popular with

1470
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:10,619
the release of the new Broncos that are

1471
01:02:10,619 --> 01:02:13,319
joining the clubs that are clubs growing

1472
01:02:13,319 --> 01:02:15,720
um and they're seeing that but

1473
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:16,799
um

1474
01:02:16,799 --> 01:02:20,520
I'm still more of a expensive

1475
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,740
yeah right

1476
01:02:22,740 --> 01:02:25,740
so you said there's 335 people but how

1477
01:02:25,740 --> 01:02:30,950
many vehicles

1478
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,960
and how many are do they allow on a

1479
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:35,819
trail

1480
01:02:35,819 --> 01:02:37,920
you know I didn't get break down all

1481
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:41,040
those specifics but BLM caps there's at

1482
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,260
50. so there's there's never going to be

1483
01:02:43,260 --> 01:02:46,079
any more than 50 and I that's

1484
01:02:46,079 --> 01:02:48,299
I could confirm this and get back to you

1485
01:02:48,299 --> 01:02:50,220
I think that's just a cheap Safari

1486
01:02:50,220 --> 01:02:52,079
number I think BLM likes to keep it

1487
01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:53,099
closer to 35

1488
01:02:53,099 --> 01:02:54,359
. and this is this is just a one day

1489
01:02:54,359 --> 01:02:55,079
event

1490
01:02:55,079 --> 01:02:57,599
no she said too no it's the second

1491
01:02:57,599 --> 01:02:59,640
through the sixth yeah it's on our paper

1492
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:04,260
it's just it's that Friday which is the

1493
01:03:04,260 --> 01:03:06,240
fifth that's when they'll have their

1494
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,040
Expo they call it a show and shine at

1495
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,619
osta I'll be at the Pavilion Pavilion so

1496
01:03:10,619 --> 01:03:13,140
they don't do right on Friday

1497
01:03:13,140 --> 01:03:14,640
I'm sorry I said that again they don't

1498
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,400
do they Don't Ride do Trails on Fridays

1499
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,680
or Saturday trails and then they meet at

1500
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,440
osta for a dinner and what they call a

1501
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:24,180
show and shine they just kind of show

1502
01:03:24,180 --> 01:03:26,940
their their cars off

1503
01:03:26,940 --> 01:03:29,520
a little small Expo there's a couple

1504
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:34,120
vendors there not many

1505
01:03:34,130 --> 01:03:36,240
[Music]

1506
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:40,980
um number 22 is the grand Bondo in Moab

1507
01:03:40,980 --> 01:03:44,339
um athletic competition May 6 total

1508
01:03:44,339 --> 01:03:46,859
daily attendance of 625. it's a road

1509
01:03:46,859 --> 01:03:49,260
bike event using the Loop Road nine

1510
01:03:49,260 --> 01:03:57,289
years of History good standings

1511
01:03:57,299 --> 01:04:01,079
number 23 is Raptors on the Rocks this

1512
01:04:01,079 --> 01:04:03,299
is a motorized event with an expo at

1513
01:04:03,299 --> 01:04:06,180
osta with light camping

1514
01:04:06,180 --> 01:04:08,520
um dates are May 11th through the 14th

1515
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:12,359
total daily attendance is 125.

1516
01:04:12,359 --> 01:04:14,819
um history is usually about 40

1517
01:04:14,819 --> 01:04:17,640
registered trucks and they're in good

1518
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:21,589
standing good history

1519
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:25,040
number 24 is the Colorado to Utah

1520
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,839
athletic competition

1521
01:04:27,839 --> 01:04:29,760
um gravel bike event using the cliff

1522
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,160
area roads May 13th total daily

1523
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:34,859
attendance is 560. they're going to

1524
01:04:34,859 --> 01:04:37,260
start in fruta and ride the Book Cliffs

1525
01:04:37,260 --> 01:04:40,319
and back only some of the writers are

1526
01:04:40,319 --> 01:04:43,079
doing that not the full 560.

1527
01:04:43,079 --> 01:04:45,720
so most of it's in Colorado yeah most of

1528
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:49,020
us in Colorado this event does require

1529
01:04:49,020 --> 01:04:51,000
um Grant County Sheriff Office for

1530
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:55,490
security due to the oil fields

1531
01:04:55,500 --> 01:04:58,680
number 25 is Jeep Jamboree it's a

1532
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,680
motorized event dates are May 18th

1533
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,020
through the 20th total daily attendance

1534
01:05:04,020 --> 01:05:07,740
is 250 and they do have additional dates

1535
01:05:07,740 --> 01:05:10,440
they have one other event in October

1536
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,440
um they have 25 years of history for

1537
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:14,880
their fall events and they're in good

1538
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,460
standing history

1539
01:05:17,460 --> 01:05:19,799
so they only have they have this is

1540
01:05:19,799 --> 01:05:21,780
their first spring event this will

1541
01:05:21,780 --> 01:05:25,069
actually be their seconds

1542
01:05:25,079 --> 01:05:27,440
how many vehicles did you say

1543
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,299
250. that's vehicles or people that's

1544
01:05:30,299 --> 01:05:33,059
going to be vehicles

1545
01:05:33,059 --> 01:05:34,680
okay so this one

1546
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,079
most of these numbers on in the column

1547
01:05:37,079 --> 01:05:42,530
are people but this one's vehicles

1548
01:05:42,540 --> 01:05:44,280
I feel like I'm contradicting myself a

1549
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,740
little bit with that

1550
01:05:46,740 --> 01:05:49,190
um

1551
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,359
yeah because if I split this one in half

1552
01:05:51,359 --> 01:05:53,160
I would have to look at their October

1553
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,140
one to give you an honest answer on that

1554
01:05:55,140 --> 01:05:57,000
one because I know in their October one

1555
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,099
is bigger and that one's closer to 300

1556
01:05:59,099 --> 01:06:01,440
vehicles but he didn't expect his spring

1557
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,200
one to be as big okay yeah and I think

1558
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,359
moving forward for the ITA process we

1559
01:06:06,359 --> 01:06:07,859
definitely need a separate vehicle count

1560
01:06:07,859 --> 01:06:11,640
yeah and on his ITA for under his total

1561
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,390
attention

1562
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,200
um I could get that I know I could make

1563
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:17,579
a quick phone call on how that wrapped

1564
01:06:17,579 --> 01:06:19,619
up for you before

1565
01:06:19,619 --> 01:06:21,299
so for all the other motorized events

1566
01:06:21,299 --> 01:06:24,950
we're talking people and not yes

1567
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,000
Angie I have a question about that oil

1568
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,119
field security which event was that who

1569
01:06:30,119 --> 01:06:31,920
determined

1570
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,319
that was the Colorado to Utah

1571
01:06:34,319 --> 01:06:37,859
who determines oil fields needs security

1572
01:06:37,859 --> 01:06:39,359
no that came from

1573
01:06:39,359 --> 01:06:41,460
sheriffs they requested

1574
01:06:41,460 --> 01:06:43,200
past one

1575
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:46,140
um during the SEC review

1576
01:06:46,140 --> 01:06:48,839
huh okay interesting I'll talk with them

1577
01:06:48,839 --> 01:06:51,299
about it thanks ah

1578
01:06:51,299 --> 01:06:53,700
so so I looked at the application on

1579
01:06:53,700 --> 01:06:55,079
their application dead used to say

1580
01:06:55,079 --> 01:06:58,380
between 200 and 225 or 50 people yeah

1581
01:06:58,380 --> 01:07:01,079
that was the total and I know he was

1582
01:07:01,079 --> 01:07:01,740
um

1583
01:07:01,740 --> 01:07:04,140
planning for the spring

1584
01:07:04,140 --> 01:07:05,760
so that's probably accurate but I can't

1585
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:07,380
get that confirmed I know I could get a

1586
01:07:07,380 --> 01:07:11,569
hold of them

1587
01:07:11,579 --> 01:07:14,039
um number 26 the Willies rally it's

1588
01:07:14,039 --> 01:07:16,380
motorized exhibit

1589
01:07:16,380 --> 01:07:18,780
um May 19th the 21st total daily

1590
01:07:18,780 --> 01:07:21,839
attendance is a hundred and mostly

1591
01:07:21,839 --> 01:07:23,940
exhibits with a few short Trail runs

1592
01:07:23,940 --> 01:07:26,760
stage and exhibit at Red Cliffs Lodge

1593
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:28,859
and these all the Vintage Willy's Jeeps

1594
01:07:28,859 --> 01:07:30,539
that like the World War II era Jeeps

1595
01:07:30,539 --> 01:07:34,140
right right yeah people are not driving

1596
01:07:34,140 --> 01:07:38,270
alone yeah cool

1597
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:38,940
um

1598
01:07:38,940 --> 01:07:42,000
Don Moab is a motorized event with a

1599
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,059
dinner um they're probably running the

1600
01:07:45,059 --> 01:07:48,000
Pavilion with like camping May 21st to

1601
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:51,359
the 26th total daily attendance is 145

1602
01:07:51,359 --> 01:07:55,140
people 70 Vehicles they have 22 years of

1603
01:07:55,140 --> 01:07:57,180
History

1604
01:07:57,180 --> 01:07:58,980
is there anything that sets them apart

1605
01:07:58,980 --> 01:08:00,960
are they what what do they do just Trail

1606
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:05,039
runs also or their Nissan oh okay gotcha

1607
01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:06,599
right right so it's all it's all kind of

1608
01:08:06,599 --> 01:08:13,380
branded and then now we are going into June

1609
01:08:13,380 --> 01:08:15,599
attempt to applies number 28 is the

1610
01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:18,540
candyland's PRCA Rodeo

1611
01:08:18,540 --> 01:08:21,239
the barrels for books always determined

1612
01:08:21,239 --> 01:08:22,679
to be a low impact of that yeah okay

1613
01:08:22,679 --> 01:08:29,990
that was pulled off

1614
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,299
so number 20 on the agenda is

1615
01:08:33,299 --> 01:08:36,120
Canyonlands PRCA Rodeo it's at athletic

1616
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:39,779
livestock competition event at osta the

1617
01:08:39,779 --> 01:08:42,600
dates are June 2nd through June 4th

1618
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:46,560
total daily attendance is in the ten

1619
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:49,199
thousand fifty plus range

1620
01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:51,299
um one thousand or ten one thousand

1621
01:08:51,299 --> 01:08:58,809
sorry

1622
01:08:58,819 --> 01:09:01,440
had a moment

1623
01:09:01,440 --> 01:09:05,570
that would be an impressive Rodeo

1624
01:09:05,580 --> 01:09:08,759
um there is a county resolution in place

1625
01:09:08,759 --> 01:09:15,289
um 73 years of History American standing

1626
01:09:15,299 --> 01:09:18,600
um number 29 is the Moab Music Festival

1627
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:23,160
high water this is a 10-day total event

1628
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:26,100
and Josie I'm hoping that you could help

1629
01:09:26,100 --> 01:09:28,259
with this I went back and forth on it on

1630
01:09:28,259 --> 01:09:30,900
how to present it I am I have on the

1631
01:09:30,900 --> 01:09:33,779
application June 9th through 12th which

1632
01:09:33,779 --> 01:09:35,880
is the four days of music but it's

1633
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:39,000
actually a 10 day event

1634
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,580
um in their 60s

1635
01:09:41,580 --> 01:09:44,460
the other 60s are proposed part of a

1636
01:09:44,460 --> 01:09:48,660
guided river trip yeah and I think

1637
01:09:48,660 --> 01:09:50,819
um and this might be something for the

1638
01:09:50,819 --> 01:09:52,620
special events coordinator and

1639
01:09:52,620 --> 01:09:54,540
Department in general is like how we

1640
01:09:54,540 --> 01:09:55,980
treat something like a river trip

1641
01:09:55,980 --> 01:09:58,080
because that's got its kind of own

1642
01:09:58,080 --> 01:09:59,340
um

1643
01:09:59,340 --> 01:10:01,739
you know Universe going on so I don't

1644
01:10:01,739 --> 01:10:02,760
know

1645
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:03,900
if that's something that we need to

1646
01:10:03,900 --> 01:10:06,300
permit but I also should recuse myself

1647
01:10:06,300 --> 01:10:09,199
from this coffee station right now

1648
01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:11,880
because it's separate so the actual

1649
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:15,480
intent is for four days but the event is

1650
01:10:15,480 --> 01:10:17,640
for 10 days

1651
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:19,860
so four days

1652
01:10:19,860 --> 01:10:23,640
it's essentially two weekends

1653
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:25,020
same people

1654
01:10:25,020 --> 01:10:29,840
uh yes 100 to 300 sorry I did not say that

1655
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:35,630
so it's missing only me is it

1656
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:39,060
concert goers and the musicians or is it

1657
01:10:39,060 --> 01:10:41,340
just for them

1658
01:10:41,340 --> 01:10:43,800
the numbers you mean oh the numbers are

1659
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:45,960
the concert goers we don't have 300

1660
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:47,159
musicians

1661
01:10:47,159 --> 01:10:49,560
but I also I don't think that it's

1662
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:51,600
appropriate for me to like talk as a

1663
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:53,280
representative of the music festival in

1664
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:58,430
this context

1665
01:10:58,440 --> 01:11:00,179
any questions okay

1666
01:11:00,179 --> 01:11:03,719
um number 30 Desert Rats Kokopelli 150

1667
01:11:03,719 --> 01:11:06,719
it's athletic event June 19th through

1668
01:11:06,719 --> 01:11:10,920
the 24th total daily attendance is 60.

1669
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:12,960
um running event using the Kokopelli

1670
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,719
Trail 20 years of History this event

1671
01:11:15,719 --> 01:11:18,540
with the dates um and the trial they do

1672
01:11:18,540 --> 01:11:24,709
require a physical for registration

1673
01:11:24,719 --> 01:11:29,870
that is all of them

1674
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:33,540
all right yeah thanks Angie

1675
01:11:33,540 --> 01:11:35,100
I'm

1676
01:11:35,100 --> 01:11:37,080
so I'll get that one answer for you

1677
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,179
before but would you like me to present

1678
01:11:39,179 --> 01:11:41,280
it the same way

1679
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:42,500
or

1680
01:11:42,500 --> 01:11:46,280
I do we need to go through

1681
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:48,780
I don't think we need to go through each

1682
01:11:48,780 --> 01:11:50,880
we could we could in the commission when

1683
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:53,040
we do the um when we actually what's the

1684
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:56,100
Most accountants I'm sorry what uh Mary

1685
01:11:56,100 --> 01:11:59,699
was asking how we or if we didn't we

1686
01:11:59,699 --> 01:12:01,199
don't need to present them each

1687
01:12:01,199 --> 01:12:03,480
individually when the agenda item comes

1688
01:12:03,480 --> 01:12:05,280
up during no no I mean I think we should

1689
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:08,400
figure out it figure out do most of the

1690
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:09,600
heavy lifting right now and then we can

1691
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:11,460
just blanket say we're going to approve

1692
01:12:11,460 --> 01:12:13,440
like say one through nine okay I just

1693
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:14,760
want to make sure I understood that what

1694
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:16,199
you guys how you guys wanted me to do

1695
01:12:16,199 --> 01:12:20,090
that

1696
01:12:20,100 --> 01:12:21,840
so now we need to get down into the

1697
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:29,990
nitty-gritty of which events so um next year

1698
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:34,140
these will be the blue ones just winter

1699
01:12:34,140 --> 01:12:36,540
ones I guess you could call it would be

1700
01:12:36,540 --> 01:12:39,239
presented a porter yes maybe yeah they'd

1701
01:12:39,239 --> 01:12:41,520
be they'd be so back for summer during

1702
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:43,320
the Spring and the fall right correct

1703
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:45,420
we're always there always three months

1704
01:12:45,420 --> 01:12:47,940
ahead yeah okay six months six months

1705
01:12:47,940 --> 01:12:51,470
I'm sorry six months had already

1706
01:12:51,480 --> 01:12:52,860
all right so someone you had an idea

1707
01:12:52,860 --> 01:12:54,840
about how you wanted to so again I think

1708
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,480
it makes sense to unless you know some

1709
01:12:57,480 --> 01:12:59,040
of these events have been going on for a

1710
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:00,900
large number of years like 10 or 12 or

1711
01:13:00,900 --> 01:13:02,219
more

1712
01:13:02,219 --> 01:13:03,679
um you know I think with those

1713
01:13:03,679 --> 01:13:05,580
presumptively they're okay unless

1714
01:13:05,580 --> 01:13:07,320
someone wants to single one out to say

1715
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:09,900
we shouldn't approve it and then

1716
01:13:09,900 --> 01:13:12,360
conversely the the others that are brand

1717
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:14,699
new or have only been going for a year

1718
01:13:14,699 --> 01:13:16,140
or two right you know they're I think

1719
01:13:16,140 --> 01:13:17,820
kind of the burden of we should look at

1720
01:13:17,820 --> 01:13:20,580
those closely and see is that you know

1721
01:13:20,580 --> 01:13:21,900
adding something that we don't already

1722
01:13:21,900 --> 01:13:23,540
have from the existing

1723
01:13:23,540 --> 01:13:25,679
events so okay do you want to go through

1724
01:13:25,679 --> 01:13:27,360
and and

1725
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:30,480
check off a few that yeah I mean so

1726
01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:32,040
Easter Jeep Safari obviously has been

1727
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:34,140
going on for a while yeah and I I mean

1728
01:13:34,140 --> 01:13:35,699
going going back to that conversation

1729
01:13:35,699 --> 01:13:38,219
about the sub events I mean I just think

1730
01:13:38,219 --> 01:13:41,040
of it as one big love but I mean I I

1731
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:42,420
think you know we know what the Jeep

1732
01:13:42,420 --> 01:13:45,179
Safari is like we know you know it's a

1733
01:13:45,179 --> 01:13:46,739
well-known thing of impact so unless

1734
01:13:46,739 --> 01:13:48,780
they're proposing some kind of change

1735
01:13:48,780 --> 01:13:51,300
I would just tend to approve all of

1736
01:13:51,300 --> 01:13:52,980
those things together

1737
01:13:52,980 --> 01:13:55,140
um you know maybe next year we yeah I I

1738
01:13:55,140 --> 01:13:56,340
I'd agree with you on that I think

1739
01:13:56,340 --> 01:13:57,719
that's a good idea and then maybe do it

1740
01:13:57,719 --> 01:13:59,820
do a shift in how they get like if they

1741
01:13:59,820 --> 01:14:03,000
get approved Under the Umbrella of this

1742
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:05,580
but but maybe go going forwards for next

1743
01:14:05,580 --> 01:14:06,900
year's Jeep so far we could get into

1744
01:14:06,900 --> 01:14:09,300
touch with BLM early you know ask them

1745
01:14:09,300 --> 01:14:10,860
you're just what's the whole landscape

1746
01:14:10,860 --> 01:14:12,840
of these sub events you know really yeah

1747
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,360
Associated special Recreation permits

1748
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:16,920
right and then ask them what the trend

1749
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:18,420
is is this something that's getting a

1750
01:14:18,420 --> 01:14:20,040
lot bigger than it used to you know yeah

1751
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:21,480
if we're approving the troops of art

1752
01:14:21,480 --> 01:14:23,460
based on impacts we remember over the

1753
01:14:23,460 --> 01:14:25,739
past five years is what's being proposed

1754
01:14:25,739 --> 01:14:27,360
for this year the same as that or is it

1755
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,219
significantly larger because of these

1756
01:14:29,219 --> 01:14:30,659
sub events I think that's the question

1757
01:14:30,659 --> 01:14:33,000
we want to answer yeah that sounds like

1758
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,510
a good idea

1759
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:36,179
um

1760
01:14:36,179 --> 01:14:39,480
so the next going down the next one that

1761
01:14:39,480 --> 01:14:41,100
you know is a brand new event is a

1762
01:14:41,100 --> 01:14:43,980
screen River dirt bike rally yep but it

1763
01:14:43,980 --> 01:14:45,840
sounded like our consensus is almost

1764
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,360
entirely outside of Grand County yeah it

1765
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:49,320
sounds like it's outside of Grant County

1766
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:51,600
it's put on by the city of Green River I

1767
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:53,580
just have a small small event inside

1768
01:14:53,580 --> 01:14:55,500
Grant County at the far Fringe of the

1769
01:14:55,500 --> 01:14:59,040
county the adrenaline Seekers right it

1770
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:00,659
doesn't doesn't

1771
01:15:00,659 --> 01:15:04,020
bring any alarm bills

1772
01:15:04,020 --> 01:15:06,960
um and then the next one the yamasa

1773
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:08,699
trail race we discussed some potential

1774
01:15:08,699 --> 01:15:11,219
Traditions there right yeah I think we I

1775
01:15:11,219 --> 01:15:13,440
mean I figured with this Trish it was

1776
01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:15,300
suggested that maybe we should suggest a

1777
01:15:15,300 --> 01:15:25,810
condition that none of the staging

1778
01:15:25,820 --> 01:15:29,159
utilize shuttles that'd be great also

1779
01:15:29,159 --> 01:15:30,840
and also figure out what you know the

1780
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:32,100
earlier the better as far as that goes

1781
01:15:32,100 --> 01:15:32,760
out

1782
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:35,100
yeah I do remember I think I ran maybe

1783
01:15:35,100 --> 01:15:36,840
it was eight years ago and I I forgot to

1784
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:38,880
mention set a course record for you know

1785
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:44,590
someone over 40 but um

1786
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:51,669
barely broken mine

1787
01:15:51,679 --> 01:15:56,159
it was it was a soft record I think

1788
01:15:56,159 --> 01:15:59,100
it was a pretty soft record

1789
01:15:59,100 --> 01:16:00,900
um but when I was there yeah it didn't

1790
01:16:00,900 --> 01:16:02,880
seem crowded I mean yes it occupied the

1791
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:04,320
whole parking lot I don't remember a lot

1792
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,179
of other uses and users going through

1793
01:16:06,179 --> 01:16:07,260
there it seemed like it got done

1794
01:16:07,260 --> 01:16:10,800
relatively early in the morning but on

1795
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:12,120
the other things have changed on a mass

1796
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:13,440
effect the new trails that have been

1797
01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:14,699
built out there have made that an

1798
01:16:14,699 --> 01:16:16,380
immensely popular mountain biking area

1799
01:16:16,380 --> 01:16:18,480
plus you even have like the base jumping

1800
01:16:18,480 --> 01:16:32,810
crowd out there frequently and other

1801
01:16:32,820 --> 01:16:34,699
hmm

1802
01:16:34,699 --> 01:16:38,640
okay okay so so we're just gonna just

1803
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:45,950
gonna ask them so Angie asks them

1804
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:49,280
well I'll pack a pickup and yeah

1805
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:57,890
are you taking notes

1806
01:16:57,900 --> 01:17:00,540
uh Chris know what we're up to

1807
01:17:00,540 --> 01:17:01,380
um

1808
01:17:01,380 --> 01:17:03,840
right well I guess I was just doing the

1809
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:05,960
ones that are relatively oh right right

1810
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:08,340
unless someone has an older event that

1811
01:17:08,340 --> 01:17:10,199
they want to flag

1812
01:17:10,199 --> 01:17:12,719
um so the next newish event is um Trail

1813
01:17:12,719 --> 01:17:14,820
Fest Trail Fest which is like a new

1814
01:17:14,820 --> 01:17:16,140
running event

1815
01:17:16,140 --> 01:17:18,440
fairly large attendance

1816
01:17:18,440 --> 01:17:21,420
I don't I I'm

1817
01:17:21,420 --> 01:17:23,820
I feel like it hasn't happened yet and

1818
01:17:23,820 --> 01:17:25,080
we've been talking about how many Trail

1819
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:26,460
events

1820
01:17:26,460 --> 01:17:28,920
we have and if we want to x a running

1821
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:30,600
event this is the one I would do it's at

1822
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:32,400
like peak season

1823
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,980
it's across the whole week

1824
01:17:34,980 --> 01:17:36,840
it's people aren't staying in hotels

1825
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:42,649
they're all camping you think

1826
01:17:42,659 --> 01:17:49,580
oh it's out of County facility what it's being hosted out of County facility

1827
01:17:49,580 --> 01:17:52,920
it is bringing money into the county in

1828
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:54,900
terms of those to rent right uh Angie is

1829
01:17:54,900 --> 01:17:55,980
that what you're

1830
01:17:55,980 --> 01:17:58,920
referring to yeah I think so see I'm I'm

1831
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:00,420
always

1832
01:18:00,420 --> 01:18:04,610
looking at uh

1833
01:18:04,620 --> 01:18:06,780
you know if these people are in town

1834
01:18:06,780 --> 01:18:10,199
they're less noisy uh recreationalists

1835
01:18:10,199 --> 01:18:12,960
don't have as much choice

1836
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:14,820
yeah I don't know if we're going to

1837
01:18:14,820 --> 01:18:16,560
solve our crowding problem just by

1838
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:23,510
stuffing the hotels as full as we can

1839
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:25,800
skeptical of that strategy

1840
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:27,780
um and I sort of agree with Sarah that

1841
01:18:27,780 --> 01:18:30,060
and I mean I I like running events you

1842
01:18:30,060 --> 01:18:33,780
know as as evidence by the past item but

1843
01:18:33,780 --> 01:18:35,420
you know we've got a ton of them already

1844
01:18:35,420 --> 01:18:40,250
most of them

1845
01:18:40,260 --> 01:18:45,719
um

1846
01:18:45,719 --> 01:18:48,179
yeah we've got a lot of them I think the

1847
01:18:48,179 --> 01:18:50,040
ones you know especially you know

1848
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:51,600
utilizing the trails that are closest to

1849
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:53,580
town which are also where people go I

1850
01:18:53,580 --> 01:18:54,719
want to go hiking or mountain bike

1851
01:18:54,719 --> 01:18:56,400
riding you know just have you know going

1852
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:58,140
on a hike and that coincides on the day

1853
01:18:58,140 --> 01:18:59,580
where there's like uh several hundred

1854
01:18:59,580 --> 01:19:01,560
people doing a trail race that's not so

1855
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:02,640
great I mean so I think they're

1856
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,100
preempting a lot of people so I think

1857
01:19:05,100 --> 01:19:06,659
this is a new event

1858
01:19:06,659 --> 01:19:08,280
to doing

1859
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:10,920
many of the trails seem closer to town

1860
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:13,800
if I'm remembering correctly

1861
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:16,440
um so I'm just not sure we need and and

1862
01:19:16,440 --> 01:19:17,940
I I guess just sort of a more General

1863
01:19:17,940 --> 01:19:19,560
comment is I think the point of this

1864
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:22,080
process we know from past experience

1865
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:23,760
that we have trouble saying no if we're

1866
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:25,199
just presented with one event at a time

1867
01:19:25,199 --> 01:19:27,659
and doing it this way allows us to look

1868
01:19:27,659 --> 01:19:29,100
at the whole spectrum of events that

1869
01:19:29,100 --> 01:19:31,020
we're seeing and what I'm seeing here is

1870
01:19:31,020 --> 01:19:33,120
that April is really crowded and we got

1871
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:34,620
lots of other running events so it's not

1872
01:19:34,620 --> 01:19:36,780
like having one more is going to add to

1873
01:19:36,780 --> 01:19:38,340
a variety

1874
01:19:38,340 --> 01:19:39,600
so

1875
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,480
just just I pulled up the the trails are

1876
01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:43,800
gonna be on the Pritchard Arch 100

1877
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:46,920
Canyon Loop Trail King Springs Road uh

1878
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,140
the Boy Scout base camp I guess that's

1879
01:19:49,140 --> 01:19:51,179
out in uh it's a Bull Canyon Raider I

1880
01:19:51,179 --> 01:19:52,560
think Gemini road yet

1881
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:54,360
um Gemini Bridges Trail and porcupine

1882
01:19:54,360 --> 01:20:01,729
Road

1883
01:20:01,739 --> 01:20:03,960
well Hunter Canyon single attractive

1884
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:08,540
yeah nice enough Trail right now right

1885
01:20:08,540 --> 01:20:11,719
it just got blown out

1886
01:20:11,719 --> 01:20:13,980
I think it's worth noting it seems like

1887
01:20:13,980 --> 01:20:16,260
first quarter is very running heavy

1888
01:20:16,260 --> 01:20:18,960
second quarter is very like motorized

1889
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:22,140
vehicle heavy so in general I I know the

1890
01:20:22,140 --> 01:20:23,940
discussion is towards more event

1891
01:20:23,940 --> 01:20:27,179
diversification and

1892
01:20:27,179 --> 01:20:29,100
um I'm not sure if the way to do that is

1893
01:20:29,100 --> 01:20:31,560
to like single out preemptively a single

1894
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:33,780
event though I understand what's being

1895
01:20:33,780 --> 01:20:35,880
said but I I think my larger question is

1896
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:39,060
how are we starting to

1897
01:20:39,060 --> 01:20:42,600
court that diversity in events or do we

1898
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:44,460
want to decide as a body that we want

1899
01:20:44,460 --> 01:20:46,560
certain times of the year that have no

1900
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:48,540
events which it seems like that again is

1901
01:20:48,540 --> 01:20:49,560
a larger

1902
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:51,480
conversation that's not about a single

1903
01:20:51,480 --> 01:20:52,800
event

1904
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:54,420
it's also a little bit self-regulating

1905
01:20:54,420 --> 01:20:56,040
winter obviously doesn't have too many

1906
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:57,659
events in the middle of summer is

1907
01:20:57,659 --> 01:21:00,120
usually pretty pretty light also

1908
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:02,880
no it's yeah I mean I wasn't meaning to

1909
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:04,500
single to mount up but I guess I was

1910
01:21:04,500 --> 01:21:06,420
putting out the idea that if it's a new

1911
01:21:06,420 --> 01:21:08,219
event there's like a heavy burden of

1912
01:21:08,219 --> 01:21:10,739
proof on them and I think you know if

1913
01:21:10,739 --> 01:21:12,780
it's mostly not in Grant County we can

1914
01:21:12,780 --> 01:21:13,860
say yeah

1915
01:21:13,860 --> 01:21:16,140
some kind of a you know event Maybe

1916
01:21:16,140 --> 01:21:17,580
music or something that we don't have a

1917
01:21:17,580 --> 01:21:18,600
whole lot of but that's the reason to

1918
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:20,580
say yes but if it's but I think we've

1919
01:21:20,580 --> 01:21:22,140
already got lots of running events we've

1920
01:21:22,140 --> 01:21:23,640
got lots of biking events we've got lots

1921
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:25,800
of motorized events and so I don't feel

1922
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,140
enthusiastic about adding still more of

1923
01:21:28,140 --> 01:21:29,460
them unless there's some good reason to

1924
01:21:29,460 --> 01:21:30,960
do it now Angie's offered the reason

1925
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:35,699
that we'll get some fees at osta that's

1926
01:21:35,699 --> 01:21:37,260
um but I don't

1927
01:21:37,260 --> 01:21:39,719
to me I don't know that that by itself

1928
01:21:39,719 --> 01:21:41,820
is persuasive

1929
01:21:41,820 --> 01:21:43,320
do you mind if I ask Angie what kind of

1930
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:45,540
uh like what are we talking about as far

1931
01:21:45,540 --> 01:21:47,880
as an event like this bringing in uh

1932
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:49,739
financially

1933
01:21:49,739 --> 01:21:54,050
happening and these numbers were

1934
01:21:54,060 --> 01:21:57,850
12 to 17 000.

1935
01:21:57,860 --> 01:22:00,179
I think we need to be careful I mean

1936
01:22:00,179 --> 01:22:01,860
I've asked August that question he says

1937
01:22:01,860 --> 01:22:04,739
we have no metric by which to evaluate

1938
01:22:04,739 --> 01:22:06,900
the economic impact of special events

1939
01:22:06,900 --> 01:22:09,179
right now

1940
01:22:09,179 --> 01:22:17,570
I

1941
01:22:17,580 --> 01:22:20,520
am going off yeah right right like I

1942
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:22,280
don't have everything that they're ready

1943
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:24,600
figured out that hasn't been somewhere

1944
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:26,340
in that range they're they're running

1945
01:22:26,340 --> 01:22:29,100
the full facility so it depends on how

1946
01:22:29,100 --> 01:22:32,159
that breaks down plus camping

1947
01:22:32,159 --> 01:22:37,800
configuring 700 people at 30 a night for

1948
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:39,780
um for a week

1949
01:22:39,780 --> 01:22:43,380
it's gonna add up my inner crisp kicks

1950
01:22:43,380 --> 01:22:47,580
in here I have remembering that we are

1951
01:22:47,580 --> 01:22:49,500
like it doesn't it's a community

1952
01:22:49,500 --> 01:22:52,620
facility so it's not Revenue driven

1953
01:22:52,620 --> 01:22:53,990
right yeah it's more

1954
01:22:53,990 --> 01:22:55,320
[Music]

1955
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:57,719
but it helps us stay out

1956
01:22:57,719 --> 01:23:00,659
of calculus get closer to Black

1957
01:23:00,659 --> 01:23:03,719
yeah I do Wonder Kevin is

1958
01:23:03,719 --> 01:23:05,940
if you were to talk to these organizers

1959
01:23:05,940 --> 01:23:08,400
and say have you considered Trails like

1960
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:10,320
we think about stuff that's a little bit

1961
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:12,719
farther it's hard for me to pick places

1962
01:23:12,719 --> 01:23:15,780
in the county now that are a little bit

1963
01:23:15,780 --> 01:23:17,820
out but I think about

1964
01:23:17,820 --> 01:23:20,100
like that you know top of the world that

1965
01:23:20,100 --> 01:23:25,440
area do you know what I mean stuff that would they be willing to consider

1966
01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:27,360
stuff a little bit farther

1967
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:28,980
I mean I think there'll be a small

1968
01:23:28,980 --> 01:23:30,540
Improvement but I I just feel like

1969
01:23:30,540 --> 01:23:31,800
there's already quite a bit of

1970
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,500
commercialization of yeah non-motorized

1971
01:23:34,500 --> 01:23:38,460
Trails but these foot races and I I love

1972
01:23:38,460 --> 01:23:40,320
foot races you know I like to do it but

1973
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:42,360
I don't like them

1974
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:45,659
you know over 15 times a year that just

1975
01:23:45,659 --> 01:23:48,600
seems like too much to me and so I think

1976
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:51,239
you know if we're gonna ever I mean

1977
01:23:51,239 --> 01:23:52,800
you know we could just say yes to every

1978
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:54,420
event which would seem kind of silly

1979
01:23:54,420 --> 01:23:56,580
after all the work we've gone through to

1980
01:23:56,580 --> 01:23:58,739
spray this process but if this this

1981
01:23:58,739 --> 01:24:01,140
seems like a candidate for a no to me

1982
01:24:01,140 --> 01:24:03,719
I I think if any running event would be

1983
01:24:03,719 --> 01:24:05,040
a candidate for that it would be this I

1984
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,080
will say as a as a business person I

1985
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:08,640
love the running events even though I

1986
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:10,620
ran a bike shop because there's this

1987
01:24:10,620 --> 01:24:12,719
spill over to different things that so

1988
01:24:12,719 --> 01:24:14,100
many times people would stick around and

1989
01:24:14,100 --> 01:24:15,960
they they'd spend a ton of money in town

1990
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:18,360
renting bikes going on tours just eating

1991
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:19,679
out and stuff like that so it's it's

1992
01:24:19,679 --> 01:24:22,679
pretty pretty nice for the business

1993
01:24:22,679 --> 01:24:24,300
community

1994
01:24:24,300 --> 01:24:26,580
and they're low they are low impact

1995
01:24:26,580 --> 01:24:29,340
they're generally very pleasant blue

1996
01:24:29,340 --> 01:24:31,980
yeah I think low impact more kind of

1997
01:24:31,980 --> 01:24:33,300
what you're looking for

1998
01:24:33,300 --> 01:24:36,780
uh visitors what should we move on

1999
01:24:36,780 --> 01:24:38,100
through the list and sure come back to

2000
01:24:38,100 --> 01:24:39,480
it yeah

2001
01:24:39,480 --> 01:24:42,060
uh Trail Fest uh building man that's

2002
01:24:42,060 --> 01:24:44,640
more of a Legacy Event I guess or yeah I

2003
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:48,560
was okay it's also far from moabs

2004
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:52,159
it's helping out Grant yeah uh

2005
01:24:52,159 --> 01:24:55,199
where's uh I would say biker pulley is

2006
01:24:55,199 --> 01:24:57,179
also a Legacy Event it just hadn't

2007
01:24:57,179 --> 01:25:00,420
applied for a permit here right I know

2008
01:25:00,420 --> 01:25:03,060
he's been doing that for for at least 20

2009
01:25:03,060 --> 01:25:05,100
years yeah 12 years I was gonna say okay

2010
01:25:05,100 --> 01:25:06,960
and it's for the most part it takes

2011
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:09,300
place it's mostly out in the yeah out

2012
01:25:09,300 --> 01:25:11,520
speaking out like West Water Area and

2013
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:13,739
down through uh yeah

2014
01:25:13,739 --> 01:25:15,719
do we

2015
01:25:15,719 --> 01:25:18,540
adapters on the Rocks is that that's so

2016
01:25:18,540 --> 01:25:20,820
that's a relatively new event

2017
01:25:20,820 --> 01:25:22,620
here third year okay and this is this is

2018
01:25:22,620 --> 01:25:24,420
Ford Raptors it's like it's a so it's

2019
01:25:24,420 --> 01:25:26,340
again it's like a yes

2020
01:25:26,340 --> 01:25:28,080
I also don't want to rule out talking

2021
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:29,219
about

2022
01:25:29,219 --> 01:25:31,860
um the Bronco Club

2023
01:25:31,860 --> 01:25:34,679
okay as it is

2024
01:25:34,679 --> 01:25:37,620
in a long lineup of motorized events

2025
01:25:37,620 --> 01:25:40,800
every other weekend and it's huge

2026
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,739
and it's the youngest one of those

2027
01:25:43,739 --> 01:25:47,280
motorized events yeah

2028
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:49,440
like it follows Jeep Safari and cruise

2029
01:25:49,440 --> 01:25:51,800
Moab

2030
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:56,100
right and Raptors and then Jamboree but

2031
01:25:56,100 --> 01:25:58,679
I let's go through the other newer

2032
01:25:58,679 --> 01:26:02,639
events motorized events in May and

2033
01:26:02,639 --> 01:26:04,739
maybe look at that I just don't want to

2034
01:26:04,739 --> 01:26:06,480
rule out yeah

2035
01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:08,699
so where were we on rabbits on the Rocks

2036
01:26:08,699 --> 01:26:11,219
right yeah yeah I mean I do I think

2037
01:26:11,219 --> 01:26:13,380
we've we've got

2038
01:26:13,380 --> 01:26:15,300
all the running events we need already I

2039
01:26:15,300 --> 01:26:16,739
think that's also true for motorized

2040
01:26:16,739 --> 01:26:22,080
events but I will say that um you know it's a lot

2041
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:23,880
quieter than like you know these

2042
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:26,159
full-sized Vehicles yeah not usually

2043
01:26:26,159 --> 01:26:27,900
what people are complaining about that's

2044
01:26:27,900 --> 01:26:29,520
worth keeping in mind the Raptors are

2045
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:31,260
all relatively new I think right so they

2046
01:26:31,260 --> 01:26:33,179
have ostensibly I think they're have

2047
01:26:33,179 --> 01:26:36,060
better sound suppression systems Etc so

2048
01:26:36,060 --> 01:26:38,520
that maybe that leads me

2049
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:41,280
it's a Ford Raptor it's a it's a

2050
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:43,880
50 yeah it's not

2051
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:47,209
a dinosaur

2052
01:26:47,219 --> 01:26:54,410
burn status

2053
01:26:54,420 --> 01:26:55,639
um

2054
01:26:55,639 --> 01:26:59,639
but yeah it is only its third year and

2055
01:26:59,639 --> 01:27:02,040
yeah I think also I mean just looking at

2056
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:03,659
the calendar I think it's helpful kind

2057
01:27:03,659 --> 01:27:06,000
of noticing which events are like a

2058
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:07,800
single day like a running event that's a

2059
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:10,080
single day versus uh like a week-long

2060
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:12,540
motorized right because those feel like

2061
01:27:12,540 --> 01:27:16,679
very different impacts yeah I agree yeah

2062
01:27:16,679 --> 01:27:20,760
is so it was Raptors uh one also it's

2063
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:23,280
rappers or what are they yes they are

2064
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:26,030
okay

2065
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:28,320
this is just a thought you know we're

2066
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:30,060
saying that there's too many many

2067
01:27:30,060 --> 01:27:33,800
motorized uh events in this time period

2068
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:37,199
I mean uh is it a possibility to uh some

2069
01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:39,540
of these events to

2070
01:27:39,540 --> 01:27:42,480
produce you know do their event more in

2071
01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:44,340
our slower season even though it's hot

2072
01:27:44,340 --> 01:27:47,159
they're inside uh air-conditioned

2073
01:27:47,159 --> 01:27:49,080
vehicles

2074
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:51,600
I mean say you know this

2075
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:54,300
anyway as a path forward if they didn't

2076
01:27:54,300 --> 01:27:56,460
if they wanted to move forward during

2077
01:27:56,460 --> 01:28:00,840
the slow time of year might be off you

2078
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:02,699
know a possibility of asking them to do

2079
01:28:02,699 --> 01:28:05,699
I I also wonder moving forward about the

2080
01:28:05,699 --> 01:28:07,500
idea of

2081
01:28:07,500 --> 01:28:09,960
creating like a maximum amount of event

2082
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:13,580
days per a single kind of type of event

2083
01:28:13,580 --> 01:28:15,900
which would be a much more like sort of

2084
01:28:15,900 --> 01:28:19,800
judicious non-specific way to sort of

2085
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:22,860
equalize some of these

2086
01:28:22,860 --> 01:28:24,420
I don't know what the process looks like

2087
01:28:24,420 --> 01:28:26,120
but I'm sorry could you say that again

2088
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:28,580
so like for instance running versus

2089
01:28:28,580 --> 01:28:30,960
motorized versus I mean those seem to be

2090
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:33,840
the dominant ones so it's silly to limit

2091
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:35,820
other things yet because we just aren't

2092
01:28:35,820 --> 01:28:38,639
flooded with them but to have you know a

2093
01:28:38,639 --> 01:28:41,340
maximum per year per calendar year

2094
01:28:41,340 --> 01:28:44,159
number of event days like you know that

2095
01:28:44,159 --> 01:28:46,860
we are willing to approve as a body or

2096
01:28:46,860 --> 01:28:52,250
for a particular event type yeah

2097
01:28:52,260 --> 01:28:54,480
there's any consensus on Rapture on the

2098
01:28:54,480 --> 01:28:56,400
rocks

2099
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:58,380
I think that's one I think we should

2100
01:28:58,380 --> 01:29:00,420
look at this clump of motorized events

2101
01:29:00,420 --> 01:29:03,420
and whole in May so that's one that

2102
01:29:03,420 --> 01:29:05,219
could be cut you're talking Bronco Club

2103
01:29:05,219 --> 01:29:08,280
wrapped around the Rocks Jeep Jamboree

2104
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:11,580
more or less rally gone Moab oh right

2105
01:29:11,580 --> 01:29:12,900
yeah

2106
01:29:12,900 --> 01:29:17,219
I mean there's a time you know five

2107
01:29:17,219 --> 01:29:19,920
all lined up for me so I feel like we

2108
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:21,840
need to at least you know say I don't

2109
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:25,610
know about it with you

2110
01:29:25,620 --> 01:29:27,179
um but as far as they go Raptors on the

2111
01:29:27,179 --> 01:29:29,820
Rock it's only 40 Vehicles compared to

2112
01:29:29,820 --> 01:29:31,139
some of the other bigger ones like

2113
01:29:31,139 --> 01:29:33,120
Jamboree

2114
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:36,420
um he just texted me it's only they

2115
01:29:36,420 --> 01:29:38,460
limit it at a hundred registered

2116
01:29:38,460 --> 01:29:41,580
vehicles with 25 additional Vehicles

2117
01:29:41,580 --> 01:29:45,060
being guided so it's 125 units we're

2118
01:29:45,060 --> 01:29:48,719
talking big Jeep championships oh sorry

2119
01:29:48,719 --> 01:29:51,620
I gave that so Japan

2120
01:29:51,620 --> 01:29:56,100
the 250 was accurate yeah sorry people

2121
01:29:56,100 --> 01:29:58,940
and then 250 people

2122
01:29:58,940 --> 01:30:02,760
40. yeah and uh 120

2123
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:05,400
five big difference

2124
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:08,169
yeah

2125
01:30:08,179 --> 01:30:10,500
and then gone my opinion Vehicles were

2126
01:30:10,500 --> 01:30:15,169
talking with that one

2127
01:30:15,179 --> 01:30:21,530
but that one's been going on 22 years

2128
01:30:21,540 --> 01:30:23,100
so it's harder for me because I know too

2129
01:30:23,100 --> 01:30:25,020
I guess

2130
01:30:25,020 --> 01:30:27,840
okay so maybe just skip skipping ahead

2131
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:30,060
and put postponing discussion on the

2132
01:30:30,060 --> 01:30:32,460
clump of motorized events there's the

2133
01:30:32,460 --> 01:30:34,320
right so there are a relatively new

2134
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:36,060
event there's a MOAB musical festival

2135
01:30:36,060 --> 01:30:38,460
high water

2136
01:30:38,460 --> 01:30:39,360
um

2137
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:41,940
I mean I think that is that is adding

2138
01:30:41,940 --> 01:30:44,340
diversity I love those Music Festival

2139
01:30:44,340 --> 01:30:46,580
events

2140
01:30:46,580 --> 01:30:50,159
so there's the concerts in town or close

2141
01:30:50,159 --> 01:30:51,659
to town

2142
01:30:51,659 --> 01:30:55,430
um it's

2143
01:30:55,440 --> 01:30:59,209
again it's okay

2144
01:30:59,219 --> 01:31:01,320
oh is the concert the concert's not in

2145
01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:03,239
the backcountry or is that or is it

2146
01:31:03,239 --> 01:31:06,960
there are music box there are two I

2147
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:08,520
think that are happening in like city

2148
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:10,500
park or something like that and there's

2149
01:31:10,500 --> 01:31:12,360
private property one in Old City Park

2150
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:14,520
one on private property I think they're

2151
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:16,020
trying to do it like a float trip with

2152
01:31:16,020 --> 01:31:17,760
Canyonlands by night and then two music

2153
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:19,800
hikes yeah

2154
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:21,360
um and and I misspoke before it's not

2155
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:23,219
two weekends it's a long weekend long

2156
01:31:23,219 --> 01:31:25,199
weekend okay and it's also it's also

2157
01:31:25,199 --> 01:31:26,639
past our Prime season it's getting into

2158
01:31:26,639 --> 01:31:28,139
the summer seasons when things slow down

2159
01:31:28,139 --> 01:31:29,820
considerably until yeah this one is is

2160
01:31:29,820 --> 01:31:32,040
later than last yeah and this year the

2161
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:33,840
sixth to the ninth yeah usually we'll

2162
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:35,159
get some carrier over the first week of

2163
01:31:35,159 --> 01:31:36,480
June and then and then it drops off

2164
01:31:36,480 --> 01:31:40,490
precipitously as far as visitation

2165
01:31:40,500 --> 01:31:44,450
sounds great

2166
01:31:44,460 --> 01:31:47,040
yeah so we're okay with that which is

2167
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:50,340
that what we decided I think so yeah

2168
01:31:50,340 --> 01:31:52,739
unless you're not married well I I like

2169
01:31:52,739 --> 01:31:54,239
the modern music festival it's been

2170
01:31:54,239 --> 01:31:56,460
around yeah maybe this event hasn't been

2171
01:31:56,460 --> 01:31:58,080
around but a lot of the music festival

2172
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:00,480
has been around a long time and maybe

2173
01:32:00,480 --> 01:32:02,580
I'm I think they've run a real tight

2174
01:32:02,580 --> 01:32:06,900
ship my life but I yeah and then we

2175
01:32:06,900 --> 01:32:08,340
didn't we didn't talk the the Colorado

2176
01:32:08,340 --> 01:32:11,580
to Utah gravel event that's kind of out

2177
01:32:11,580 --> 01:32:13,860
north in the Book Cliffs area any

2178
01:32:13,860 --> 01:32:17,950
opposition to that one

2179
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:20,580
and then similarly the last one is just

2180
01:32:20,580 --> 01:32:23,820
Desert Rats races looks great

2181
01:32:23,820 --> 01:32:26,219
that's very fairly new but it's probably

2182
01:32:26,219 --> 01:32:28,199
a few participants on the Coca-Cola

2183
01:32:28,199 --> 01:32:29,820
trails and for the most part not close

2184
01:32:29,820 --> 01:32:39,060
to us yeah I was just going by the number in

2185
01:32:39,060 --> 01:32:41,280
the table it seems like a horrible time

2186
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:43,199
of year to run the kokopilly trail no

2187
01:32:43,199 --> 01:32:45,060
God wasn't scratched

2188
01:32:45,060 --> 01:32:47,940
real early

2189
01:32:47,940 --> 01:32:50,280
um so so what's so the unresolved thing

2190
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:55,370
so there's the uh betrayal Fest

2191
01:32:55,380 --> 01:32:58,260
real fast and Jeep Jamboree seemed like

2192
01:32:58,260 --> 01:32:59,060
two

2193
01:32:59,060 --> 01:33:01,460
yeah

2194
01:33:01,460 --> 01:33:03,840
so the Jeep Jamboree has been going on

2195
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:05,340
in the fall for a long time and now they

2196
01:33:05,340 --> 01:33:07,020
want to expand to the spring as well is

2197
01:33:07,020 --> 01:33:08,880
that that's what we're looking at one in

2198
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:11,100
the spring before

2199
01:33:11,100 --> 01:33:13,260
would like to do it again this is the

2200
01:33:13,260 --> 01:33:15,060
williest rally in any way associated

2201
01:33:15,060 --> 01:33:16,980
with the Jeep chamber yeah yeah okay

2202
01:33:16,980 --> 01:33:21,649
totally separate yeah

2203
01:33:21,659 --> 01:33:23,219
um I think we say no to the Jeep

2204
01:33:23,219 --> 01:33:26,280
Jamboree they already have a entire week

2205
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:28,199
in the fall that they've been doing it

2206
01:33:28,199 --> 01:33:30,380
for a long time

2207
01:33:30,380 --> 01:33:33,540
it's a relatively large event 125

2208
01:33:33,540 --> 01:33:39,110
vehicles

2209
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:42,410
I think

2210
01:33:42,420 --> 01:33:45,780
organized but it's ordered by organized

2211
01:33:45,780 --> 01:33:48,960
by Jeep oh it's not it's cheap it's not

2212
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:55,070
a little bit

2213
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:56,820
and like you said they still so this

2214
01:33:56,820 --> 01:33:58,860
year they'll be applying for a fall time

2215
01:33:58,860 --> 01:34:03,120
slot also yes not cover okay I'm also I

2216
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:04,860
mean Willie's rallies about the new

2217
01:34:04,860 --> 01:34:06,239
event

2218
01:34:06,239 --> 01:34:09,000
it's been happening for a while and

2219
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:11,159
Willie's is very seriously doubt there's

2220
01:34:11,159 --> 01:34:12,600
more than 20 of the vehicles actually

2221
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:14,639
leaving the property because these

2222
01:34:14,639 --> 01:34:16,260
things are old

2223
01:34:16,260 --> 01:34:20,400
they're definitely vintage and they're not going to be vehicles that

2224
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:28,320
have any type of speed any type of it's more like a car show car show yeah that's right and when they're they

2225
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:29,940
do have motorized Trails but their

2226
01:34:29,940 --> 01:34:33,290
trails are going to be

2227
01:34:33,300 --> 01:34:36,060
yeah they're not

2228
01:34:36,060 --> 01:34:38,219
and it's going to be 70 year old

2229
01:34:38,219 --> 01:34:39,960
Vehicles out there kind of puttering

2230
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:42,120
around right

2231
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:43,380
they're probably going to be trailered

2232
01:34:43,380 --> 01:34:46,560
yeah yeah you'd assume

2233
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:47,280
um

2234
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:49,739
I mean does anyone feel strongly that

2235
01:34:49,739 --> 01:34:52,620
Jeep Jamboree should not

2236
01:34:52,620 --> 01:34:54,239
be asked

2237
01:34:54,239 --> 01:34:56,219
what I mean I tend to I just think we've

2238
01:34:56,219 --> 01:34:58,440
got limited capacity and we've we've got

2239
01:34:58,440 --> 01:35:01,080
a lot of motorized events in this time

2240
01:35:01,080 --> 01:35:03,719
period that that are already established

2241
01:35:03,719 --> 01:35:06,780
that's three weeks in a row of motorized

2242
01:35:06,780 --> 01:35:13,970
events it's not not a local promoter

2243
01:35:13,980 --> 01:35:15,960
other than you know and they would still

2244
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:17,639
have the other week they'd have the

2245
01:35:17,639 --> 01:35:20,400
weekend maybe if we if we will yeah

2246
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:22,639
maybe

2247
01:35:22,639 --> 01:35:25,739
so so far we've been saying yes to all a

2248
01:35:25,739 --> 01:35:27,360
step you know long-established events

2249
01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:30,709
yeah

2250
01:35:30,719 --> 01:35:33,000
because people really do start to plan

2251
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:34,920
their vacations

2252
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:37,199
absolutely

2253
01:35:37,199 --> 01:35:40,199
I think a fall in the spring

2254
01:35:40,199 --> 01:35:41,940
is nice I don't know if we need to

2255
01:35:41,940 --> 01:35:45,659
double down on deep events in the spring

2256
01:35:45,659 --> 01:35:51,169
yeah

2257
01:35:51,179 --> 01:35:53,880
I mean that still leaves even if we if

2258
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:56,159
we delete Willy's rally you know it's so

2259
01:35:56,159 --> 01:35:58,980
leaves Utah Bronco Club Raptors on the

2260
01:35:58,980 --> 01:36:01,679
Rock Jeep Jamboree and gone Moab

2261
01:36:01,679 --> 01:36:04,440
all in May is that is that one every

2262
01:36:04,440 --> 01:36:09,830
weekend basically

2263
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:10,920
yeah

2264
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:14,100
every single weekend in May yeah

2265
01:36:14,100 --> 01:36:16,380
those I mean some of these are are not

2266
01:36:16,380 --> 01:36:17,580
huge

2267
01:36:17,580 --> 01:36:19,440
right away yeah especially Raptors on

2268
01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:21,060
the Rocks it's pretty pretty small so I

2269
01:36:21,060 --> 01:36:22,560
think that it's worth keeping that in

2270
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:23,580
mind

2271
01:36:23,580 --> 01:36:28,199
but I'm yeah I mean I support the I you

2272
01:36:28,199 --> 01:36:30,600
know I think whenever we already have a

2273
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:32,159
lot of events at the same time at the

2274
01:36:32,159 --> 01:36:33,420
same time of year

2275
01:36:33,420 --> 01:36:35,100
when someone has to make a really strong

2276
01:36:35,100 --> 01:36:37,380
case do we need to add yet another event

2277
01:36:37,380 --> 01:36:39,719
like that and yeah I don't see what that

2278
01:36:39,719 --> 01:36:40,920
is in this case

2279
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:43,139
and I I think for roughly similar events

2280
01:36:43,139 --> 01:36:44,580
I'm not sure we need you know yet

2281
01:36:44,580 --> 01:36:46,139
another Trail race we've got Bunches of

2282
01:36:46,139 --> 01:36:47,280
them

2283
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:48,060
um

2284
01:36:48,060 --> 01:36:51,530
so

2285
01:36:51,540 --> 01:36:53,340
yeah it seems to me as far as like

2286
01:36:53,340 --> 01:36:56,340
timing and how the how the spring is

2287
01:36:56,340 --> 01:36:58,139
divvied up it would make the most sense

2288
01:36:58,139 --> 01:37:00,239
to take the Utah Bronco Club out of

2289
01:37:00,239 --> 01:37:02,639
there but they've been

2290
01:37:02,639 --> 01:37:05,340
engaged in the county for a long time

2291
01:37:05,340 --> 01:37:07,260
how long

2292
01:37:07,260 --> 01:37:10,380
the Bronco Club oh that's the 12-year

2293
01:37:10,380 --> 01:37:13,080
Mark can I just throw into consideration

2294
01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:14,760
this is really going to open up the

2295
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:18,600
calendar a lot I mean this is a county

2296
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:21,239
entity that we're talking about so it's

2297
01:37:21,239 --> 01:37:23,040
Revenue coming in

2298
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:24,500
to the county

2299
01:37:24,500 --> 01:37:27,179
yeah for me it's important to fight for

2300
01:37:27,179 --> 01:37:31,860
that yeah I mean I think it's important to fund Austin to

2301
01:37:31,860 --> 01:37:34,139
also get Revenue as a county but I think

2302
01:37:34,139 --> 01:37:35,940
it's important for us to

2303
01:37:35,940 --> 01:37:38,460
listen to the biggest issue that people

2304
01:37:38,460 --> 01:37:40,080
have talked to us about all the time

2305
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:42,960
which is the impact the noise impact and

2306
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:45,840
the kind of like busy growth of Moab and

2307
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:52,800
this is where we have a chance to try to decide the direction that we

2308
01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:55,020
want to go

2309
01:37:55,020 --> 01:37:58,080
I'm I'm uh

2310
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:02,940
sensitive to Angie's concerns as well uh

2311
01:38:02,940 --> 01:38:05,159
not that I think that it should be a

2312
01:38:05,159 --> 01:38:07,139
revenue generator that we can get every

2313
01:38:07,139 --> 01:38:08,699
dollar

2314
01:38:08,699 --> 01:38:11,520
that that shouldn't be our mandate is to

2315
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:15,060
make a bunch of money through osta but

2316
01:38:15,060 --> 01:38:18,360
um I I like this process and I kind of

2317
01:38:18,360 --> 01:38:19,679
think that

2318
01:38:19,679 --> 01:38:22,199
uh getting something in place this year

2319
01:38:22,199 --> 01:38:25,739
and then kind of dealing you know

2320
01:38:25,739 --> 01:38:28,920
I'm kind of more in limiting the growth

2321
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:32,159
than trying to rewind and I know that

2322
01:38:32,159 --> 01:38:34,500
that's not the same as where everyone

2323
01:38:34,500 --> 01:38:36,500
else is but uh

2324
01:38:36,500 --> 01:38:39,719
for what it's worth I'm sensitive to to

2325
01:38:39,719 --> 01:38:43,560
wiping the post to calendar clean and

2326
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:46,920
I'm a little more

2327
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:48,300
comfortable with some of these

2328
01:38:48,300 --> 01:38:54,060
long-standing ones continuing to operate and then just having us a

2329
01:38:54,060 --> 01:38:57,310
place that's new applications

2330
01:38:57,320 --> 01:39:00,960
just three years for sure but but that

2331
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:02,219
is more or less what we're doing I mean

2332
01:39:02,219 --> 01:39:03,719
I I think the

2333
01:39:03,719 --> 01:39:06,480
proposal on the table is all the events

2334
01:39:06,480 --> 01:39:08,940
that have been operating in the past are

2335
01:39:08,940 --> 01:39:11,219
getting approved and then there's two

2336
01:39:11,219 --> 01:39:13,500
new applications that you know that

2337
01:39:13,500 --> 01:39:15,600
we're some people have advocated for

2338
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:18,000
saying no to one was

2339
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:18,980
um

2340
01:39:18,980 --> 01:39:26,040
Trail Festival yeah there's one running event in one Jeep event

2341
01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:28,620
um so that sounds consistent with what

2342
01:39:28,620 --> 01:39:30,360
you were well it sounded like we were

2343
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:32,219
starting to get into Broncos and Raptors

2344
01:39:32,219 --> 01:39:34,380
oh yeah no I don't think anyone's I

2345
01:39:34,380 --> 01:39:36,060
think they were just that was the

2346
01:39:36,060 --> 01:39:38,709
context

2347
01:39:38,719 --> 01:39:41,340
uh so so we're looking at probably

2348
01:39:41,340 --> 01:39:44,699
eliminating one of the four kind of

2349
01:39:44,699 --> 01:39:47,219
branded motorized events yeah the Jeep

2350
01:39:47,219 --> 01:39:49,560
Jamboree and but it's not eliminating

2351
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:50,820
because it's a brand new application

2352
01:39:50,820 --> 01:39:52,980
yeah right sort of sort of freezing sure

2353
01:39:52,980 --> 01:39:55,139
that exists absolutely right both for

2354
01:39:55,139 --> 01:39:58,139
the running events and for promoters I

2355
01:39:58,139 --> 01:40:00,480
could see the Jeep Jamboree

2356
01:40:00,480 --> 01:40:02,280
just because

2357
01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:04,260
it's their second event of the year it's

2358
01:40:04,260 --> 01:40:06,300
their second event of the year I'm okay

2359
01:40:06,300 --> 01:40:08,159
with that one I was just I'm okay with

2360
01:40:08,159 --> 01:40:10,760
that too yeah before we started piling

2361
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:22,689
yeah I'm nervous myself

2362
01:40:22,699 --> 01:40:25,199
they've been trying to get this event to

2363
01:40:25,199 --> 01:40:28,440
work since 2019. honestly I'm a bit of

2364
01:40:28,440 --> 01:40:29,699
an advocate for trail Fest I think yeah

2365
01:40:29,699 --> 01:40:31,679
it might be kind of cool the other thing

2366
01:40:31,679 --> 01:40:33,000
I'd point out about it is that every

2367
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:35,280
other events are running a race whereas

2368
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:37,500
Trail Fest is is just Trail runs and

2369
01:40:37,500 --> 01:40:38,880
there's actually a difference

2370
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:41,820
non-competitive right yeah it's gonna be

2371
01:40:41,820 --> 01:40:43,560
Expo clinics

2372
01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:47,460
um it's a full then just like group run but 700 that's a huge number

2373
01:40:47,460 --> 01:40:50,219
of people just yeah I mean if this were

2374
01:40:50,219 --> 01:40:52,739
a hundred percent instead of 750 I might

2375
01:40:52,739 --> 01:40:55,020
say okay but could we ask them they're

2376
01:40:55,020 --> 01:40:57,540
going to be camping at OSA too although

2377
01:40:57,540 --> 01:41:00,120
it'll be self-contained what do you how

2378
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:01,739
honestly how many people you think will

2379
01:41:01,739 --> 01:41:03,600
be camping like half an hour quarter of

2380
01:41:03,600 --> 01:41:05,520
that I think they're going for everybody

2381
01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:07,980
oh yeah okay so it'd be like one big so

2382
01:41:07,980 --> 01:41:13,679
it's more like a festival for them yeah I mean I mean I think the more I

2383
01:41:13,679 --> 01:41:15,600
learned about this event the less I like

2384
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:17,460
it I mean this it sounds like really

2385
01:41:17,460 --> 01:41:19,139
large

2386
01:41:19,139 --> 01:41:21,560
um it's you know over multiple days

2387
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:24,360
we've already got a lot of things like

2388
01:41:24,360 --> 01:41:25,320
this

2389
01:41:25,320 --> 01:41:27,840
um you know again I don't I don't think

2390
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:30,139
you know it just feels like

2391
01:41:30,139 --> 01:41:32,400
commercializing the backcountry

2392
01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:33,199
um

2393
01:41:33,199 --> 01:41:35,179
would you be

2394
01:41:35,179 --> 01:41:37,679
interested in it I know and this is

2395
01:41:37,679 --> 01:41:40,380
tough because I I don't run anymore but

2396
01:41:40,380 --> 01:41:42,780
I used to be a huge Trail Runner

2397
01:41:42,780 --> 01:41:44,820
um if it was a different time of the

2398
01:41:44,820 --> 01:41:47,520
year like if it was in February and I

2399
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:49,980
realized that but to me running here in

2400
01:41:49,980 --> 01:41:51,719
February you can run here all year long

2401
01:41:51,719 --> 01:41:54,840
so I don't know I'm just wondering would

2402
01:41:54,840 --> 01:41:56,940
be a little bit more willing if we moved

2403
01:41:56,940 --> 01:41:58,380
it to a different time of the year where

2404
01:41:58,380 --> 01:42:00,780
it if it's the community a little bit

2405
01:42:00,780 --> 01:42:02,880
more it benefits business is a little

2406
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:03,900
bit more

2407
01:42:03,900 --> 01:42:05,639
does that make sense

2408
01:42:05,639 --> 01:42:08,100
that they would be I mean if it were the

2409
01:42:08,100 --> 01:42:10,020
only running event of the Year sure but

2410
01:42:10,020 --> 01:42:12,540
we've already got lots of others

2411
01:42:12,540 --> 01:42:13,920
and I think at some point we have to

2412
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:15,900
start saying no I mean although you know

2413
01:42:15,900 --> 01:42:18,119
because you know the way crowding occurs

2414
01:42:18,119 --> 01:42:20,100
it's not in gigantic blocks it occurs

2415
01:42:20,100 --> 01:42:21,600
one little event at a time one little

2416
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:23,760
increase at a time right

2417
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:25,739
um and I think just the fact that was

2418
01:42:25,739 --> 01:42:27,179
you know maybe these are very nice

2419
01:42:27,179 --> 01:42:28,500
people maybe they've been trying to do

2420
01:42:28,500 --> 01:42:30,060
this for a while but that's to me that's

2421
01:42:30,060 --> 01:42:32,760
not sufficient I I think you just look

2422
01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:34,619
at you know we've already got all these

2423
01:42:34,619 --> 01:42:36,060
events that are established we're

2424
01:42:36,060 --> 01:42:38,100
inclined to say yes to those

2425
01:42:38,100 --> 01:42:39,900
given these things that are already on

2426
01:42:39,900 --> 01:42:41,219
the calendar do we need another event

2427
01:42:41,219 --> 01:42:42,480
like this

2428
01:42:42,480 --> 01:42:49,930
would be the answer is no

2429
01:42:49,940 --> 01:42:57,350
smaller attendance

2430
01:42:57,360 --> 01:42:59,159
on these kind of events does a promoter

2431
01:42:59,159 --> 01:43:01,920
need to hit obviously certain numbers to

2432
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:03,300
actually make it worth their while right

2433
01:43:03,300 --> 01:43:05,760
yeah I have no idea do we know how to

2434
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:08,580
break even do we know how big the the

2435
01:43:08,580 --> 01:43:10,560
runs are

2436
01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:12,000
it better

2437
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:15,179
there's a website oh yeah like half my

2438
01:43:15,179 --> 01:43:18,119
half marathons right I mean like how

2439
01:43:18,119 --> 01:43:20,639
many people presumably everybody would

2440
01:43:20,639 --> 01:43:25,199
run a single course yeah so they're advertising day one is Pritchard

2441
01:43:25,199 --> 01:43:29,659
Arch and then seven messages

2442
01:43:29,659 --> 01:43:33,440
well 700 over the debt time period

2443
01:43:33,440 --> 01:43:37,679
700 over the time period I that's total

2444
01:43:37,679 --> 01:43:39,420
daily attention so it's not all the

2445
01:43:39,420 --> 01:43:41,940
registered writers so not everybody's

2446
01:43:41,940 --> 01:43:43,679
going to run every single race

2447
01:43:43,679 --> 01:43:45,659
they're also advertising family

2448
01:43:45,659 --> 01:43:48,480
activities right and stuff I kind of

2449
01:43:48,480 --> 01:43:50,340
like most of the courses are on two

2450
01:43:50,340 --> 01:43:53,239
tracks right it looks like um

2451
01:43:53,239 --> 01:43:55,739
porcupine which

2452
01:43:55,739 --> 01:43:58,199
in my mind I was wondering about user

2453
01:43:58,199 --> 01:44:01,159
conflict is that Saturday which day is

2454
01:44:01,159 --> 01:44:06,609
April 29th

2455
01:44:06,619 --> 01:44:10,080
yeah that's not a good idea at all

2456
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:12,119
I don't know man I mean I just think

2457
01:44:12,119 --> 01:44:13,139
it's at some point we have to start

2458
01:44:13,139 --> 01:44:14,340
saying no

2459
01:44:14,340 --> 01:44:16,619
um I mean I don't like a good we should

2460
01:44:16,619 --> 01:44:18,960
turn around you know suppose we've you

2461
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:20,520
know we had only the old events and we

2462
01:44:20,520 --> 01:44:22,080
were deciding we need to seek out some

2463
01:44:22,080 --> 01:44:23,340
new events because we want a few more

2464
01:44:23,340 --> 01:44:24,960
for various reasons is this the kind of

2465
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:26,880
event we would encourage someone to

2466
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:30,290
apply for I don't think so

2467
01:44:30,300 --> 01:44:33,239
with this process if we had something

2468
01:44:33,239 --> 01:44:34,920
where it was like oh we don't like the

2469
01:44:34,920 --> 01:44:37,139
Saturday we don't like the number of

2470
01:44:37,139 --> 01:44:39,960
racers would we kick that back to the

2471
01:44:39,960 --> 01:44:43,139
applicant and kind of say would you like

2472
01:44:43,139 --> 01:44:47,100
to try again and adjust X Y and Z it

2473
01:44:47,100 --> 01:44:48,540
would be comfortable with next year

2474
01:44:48,540 --> 01:44:50,820
there were less people and you didn't do

2475
01:44:50,820 --> 01:44:53,040
uh part what was it porcupine it's just

2476
01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:55,619
a Saturday porcupine room is it yeah I

2477
01:44:55,619 --> 01:44:56,940
mean it's just a different Trail for

2478
01:44:56,940 --> 01:44:58,800
Saturday

2479
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:01,560
I run in Monticello well I mean

2480
01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:04,320
regardless of this particular one just

2481
01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:06,960
you know in the application process if

2482
01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:09,380
we find something that's a little like

2483
01:45:09,380 --> 01:45:12,179
well it's like approving with conditions

2484
01:45:12,179 --> 01:45:14,159
right yeah yeah and it can come back to

2485
01:45:14,159 --> 01:45:16,860
us for final approval yeah for the same

2486
01:45:16,860 --> 01:45:19,850
year

2487
01:45:19,860 --> 01:45:21,300
but it wouldn't come back to us till

2488
01:45:21,300 --> 01:45:23,060
near near yeah

2489
01:45:23,060 --> 01:45:25,619
as a final package I mean they already

2490
01:45:25,619 --> 01:45:27,239
have it advertised I don't want to do

2491
01:45:27,239 --> 01:45:45,290
that I know but what I'm saying is

2492
01:45:45,300 --> 01:45:47,940
um I have some mentioning specific

2493
01:45:47,940 --> 01:45:50,040
Trails I also think the hunter Canyon

2494
01:45:50,040 --> 01:45:51,659
Loop Trail is totally inappropriate for

2495
01:45:51,659 --> 01:45:54,000
large groups so I don't see the hunter

2496
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:55,199
Canyon

2497
01:45:55,199 --> 01:45:57,239
it's on their their application so is

2498
01:45:57,239 --> 01:46:07,010
that okay but not on their website

2499
01:46:07,020 --> 01:46:09,360
come down right so it turns into single

2500
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:13,440
attractive uh I I think that the side

2501
01:46:13,440 --> 01:46:16,080
without knowing the specifics of the

2502
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:19,380
number of Runners it seems like an event

2503
01:46:19,380 --> 01:46:21,780
that size in the backcountry on single

2504
01:46:21,780 --> 01:46:22,739
track

2505
01:46:22,739 --> 01:46:25,139
is probably not what we're after in

2506
01:46:25,139 --> 01:46:31,669
April yeah

2507
01:46:31,679 --> 01:46:33,780
I think it's not like we don't have

2508
01:46:33,780 --> 01:46:35,340
enough special events you know we're not

2509
01:46:35,340 --> 01:46:38,040
it's not our job to be nice to

2510
01:46:38,040 --> 01:46:40,260
applicants I mean that's that's not what

2511
01:46:40,260 --> 01:46:43,080
we're supposed to do here yeah so this

2512
01:46:43,080 --> 01:46:44,280
company I mean it seems like it's the

2513
01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:49,070
same

2514
01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:50,760
it's just one of their Series yeah he

2515
01:46:50,760 --> 01:46:53,580
has a series right okay but this isn't a

2516
01:46:53,580 --> 01:46:55,520
local family no no

2517
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:57,960
Saint George or Washington County yeah

2518
01:46:57,960 --> 01:47:05,689
okay yeah

2519
01:47:05,699 --> 01:47:08,100
uh

2520
01:47:08,100 --> 01:47:10,139
I don't

2521
01:47:10,139 --> 01:47:13,619
so would we mix it kind of as is and

2522
01:47:13,619 --> 01:47:15,179
they could take another shot or does it

2523
01:47:15,179 --> 01:47:17,699
say don't even I mean

2524
01:47:17,699 --> 01:47:19,500
because I

2525
01:47:19,500 --> 01:47:22,080
think I think we could say that you know

2526
01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:24,179
we feel like we're already on the scale

2527
01:47:24,179 --> 01:47:25,920
of a year we're already set with running

2528
01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:28,139
events if they wanted to do something up

2529
01:47:28,139 --> 01:47:30,900
in the book lifts or something with you

2530
01:47:30,900 --> 01:47:33,000
know a lot fewer people you know then

2531
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:34,619
they could try applying again for next

2532
01:47:34,619 --> 01:47:36,480
year or something but

2533
01:47:36,480 --> 01:47:41,689
um

2534
01:47:41,699 --> 01:47:44,100
bloodshot

2535
01:47:44,100 --> 01:47:47,400
again I think I'd be more apt to you

2536
01:47:47,400 --> 01:47:48,480
know if you look at something like

2537
01:47:48,480 --> 01:47:49,860
February

2538
01:47:49,860 --> 01:47:55,520
but but then they couldn't camp out yeah

2539
01:47:55,520 --> 01:47:58,440
I think the applicant is probably

2540
01:47:58,440 --> 01:48:00,420
welcome to listen to this Workshop to

2541
01:48:00,420 --> 01:48:02,340
understand why we denied them and could

2542
01:48:02,340 --> 01:48:06,060
still apply in fall or in the future

2543
01:48:06,060 --> 01:48:09,300
um I I also would note that moving

2544
01:48:09,300 --> 01:48:11,639
forward we would be doing this process a

2545
01:48:11,639 --> 01:48:13,860
lot earlier for

2546
01:48:13,860 --> 01:48:25,669
okay

2547
01:48:25,679 --> 01:48:28,139
so it's so it sounds so I guess based on

2548
01:48:28,139 --> 01:48:30,300
the conversation so far I would propose

2549
01:48:30,300 --> 01:48:31,560
that we

2550
01:48:31,560 --> 01:48:34,500
approve all the ideas

2551
01:48:34,500 --> 01:48:36,659
you know for the spring with the

2552
01:48:36,659 --> 01:48:38,280
exception of

2553
01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:41,239
this um it's a trail mix trail trail

2554
01:48:41,239 --> 01:48:44,219
Fest that we're just talking about and

2555
01:48:44,219 --> 01:48:46,920
the expansion and the new spring Jeep

2556
01:48:46,920 --> 01:48:49,380
Jam to read which members of the press

2557
01:48:49,380 --> 01:48:50,940
should be clear this is not the usual

2558
01:48:50,940 --> 01:48:52,560
Jeep chamber weave which is in the fall

2559
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:55,199
which isn't going a long time this is

2560
01:48:55,199 --> 01:48:59,209
a new one

2561
01:48:59,219 --> 01:49:01,500
so we're saying yes to almost everything

2562
01:49:01,500 --> 01:49:08,410
but not everything

2563
01:49:08,420 --> 01:49:12,350
now so

2564
01:49:12,360 --> 01:49:13,980
they won't have to go through this whole

2565
01:49:13,980 --> 01:49:18,540
process too yeah okay that's all right

2566
01:49:18,540 --> 01:49:21,540
now this is really that seems clean I

2567
01:49:21,540 --> 01:49:23,040
still have a bit of a question mark what

2568
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:25,199
do we do with the two that

2569
01:49:25,199 --> 01:49:28,800
it's just like denied in the story or is

2570
01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:31,139
it a

2571
01:49:31,139 --> 01:49:32,820
um can we just try again for this year

2572
01:49:32,820 --> 01:49:36,060
or I I think we're a loss in special

2573
01:49:36,060 --> 01:49:37,320
events and we don't need to go out of

2574
01:49:37,320 --> 01:49:40,139
our way to connect with people but well

2575
01:49:40,139 --> 01:49:45,139
the committee issue the findings

2576
01:49:45,139 --> 01:49:48,380
you know thanks but no thanks because

2577
01:49:48,380 --> 01:49:51,420
well I mean what they could ask Angie or

2578
01:49:51,420 --> 01:49:54,179
Rachel you know why and you know they

2579
01:49:54,179 --> 01:49:55,500
can listen to the tape of what we've

2580
01:49:55,500 --> 01:49:57,239
been saying right now where they can ask

2581
01:49:57,239 --> 01:50:00,060
staff that

2582
01:50:00,060 --> 01:50:01,199
okay

2583
01:50:01,199 --> 01:50:02,940
I mean I'm kind of with Quinn I don't

2584
01:50:02,940 --> 01:50:04,739
want to say

2585
01:50:04,739 --> 01:50:08,400
you do X Y and Z we would like it not

2586
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:10,199
that that's a great thing but it's kind

2587
01:50:10,199 --> 01:50:12,780
of like if they start with a blank slate

2588
01:50:12,780 --> 01:50:16,199
and just come back I mean but I I would

2589
01:50:16,199 --> 01:50:17,760
say I don't know if this is a sense of

2590
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:19,739
the full commission but you know in

2591
01:50:19,739 --> 01:50:22,320
these categories of both motorized

2592
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:23,820
events and running events we've already

2593
01:50:23,820 --> 01:50:26,159
got quite a few so I think any new

2594
01:50:26,159 --> 01:50:28,139
events you know there's got to be

2595
01:50:28,139 --> 01:50:29,639
something special about them you know

2596
01:50:29,639 --> 01:50:30,960
maybe they're very low impact because

2597
01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:32,280
they're most being run out of Green

2598
01:50:32,280 --> 01:50:34,880
River or Fruita or something like that

2599
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:37,320
or you know there's just something kind

2600
01:50:37,320 --> 01:50:39,060
of unique and great about them but if

2601
01:50:39,060 --> 01:50:40,500
it's just yet another event in those

2602
01:50:40,500 --> 01:50:41,639
categories

2603
01:50:41,639 --> 01:50:44,760
to me that's a tough thing to approve so

2604
01:50:44,760 --> 01:50:47,159
that's why I like the idea of a cap on

2605
01:50:47,159 --> 01:50:48,540
certain kinds of events because it's a

2606
01:50:48,540 --> 01:50:51,239
little bit more of an objective metric

2607
01:50:51,239 --> 01:50:54,119
so we're just like this is our cap and I

2608
01:50:54,119 --> 01:50:55,199
think Kevin you've kind of mentioned

2609
01:50:55,199 --> 01:50:56,880
this in the past too of like if this is

2610
01:50:56,880 --> 01:50:58,440
our number and we've got this many

2611
01:50:58,440 --> 01:51:00,060
applicants to fit into that number how

2612
01:51:00,060 --> 01:51:02,280
do we how do we then you know Whittle it

2613
01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:04,440
down to our ideal number

2614
01:51:04,440 --> 01:51:07,199
um you know so maybe for three months

2615
01:51:07,199 --> 01:51:08,639
from now when we do this again we might

2616
01:51:08,639 --> 01:51:11,760
want to come up with some of those yeah

2617
01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:13,860
we still need to make a decision about

2618
01:51:13,860 --> 01:51:16,080
how to treat the Red Cliffs the very

2619
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:18,300
unclear application for their redcliff's

2620
01:51:18,300 --> 01:51:22,609
concert series

2621
01:51:22,619 --> 01:51:24,840
come on

2622
01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:29,990
personally I I'm okay with uh

2623
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:32,040
I'm saying yes to it if they're going to

2624
01:51:32,040 --> 01:51:34,440
provide a shot Shadow are you good with

2625
01:51:34,440 --> 01:51:37,800
that Sarah yeah I'm happy with that as

2626
01:51:37,800 --> 01:51:40,270
well

2627
01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:43,380
needed okay sorry I guess we already did

2628
01:51:43,380 --> 01:51:45,600
decide that music is cool I think we

2629
01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:49,430
thought there might be more

2630
01:51:49,440 --> 01:51:51,239
I got the only thing

2631
01:51:51,239 --> 01:51:53,520
well if it's in the evening we talked

2632
01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:55,860
about blackout dates right so there is

2633
01:51:55,860 --> 01:51:57,420
there

2634
01:51:57,420 --> 01:52:01,010
are roads which

2635
01:52:01,020 --> 01:52:03,420
letting in the attendance as far as

2636
01:52:03,420 --> 01:52:04,440
tickets

2637
01:52:04,440 --> 01:52:07,440
I think in the end the shuttle should

2638
01:52:07,440 --> 01:52:11,100
pretty much cover just shut up I think I

2639
01:52:11,100 --> 01:52:12,540
think the event should take place in the

2640
01:52:12,540 --> 01:52:14,940
afternoon after any of the yeah sporting

2641
01:52:14,940 --> 01:52:17,520
events occur or we could just this year

2642
01:52:17,520 --> 01:52:19,619
not not put precisions but just monitor

2643
01:52:19,619 --> 01:52:24,669
it to see if it is causing problems

2644
01:52:24,679 --> 01:52:27,300
really because they really appreciate

2645
01:52:27,300 --> 01:52:30,420
the free concerts that's a big deal well

2646
01:52:30,420 --> 01:52:31,980
and they've showcased local musicians

2647
01:52:31,980 --> 01:52:33,540
this year as well in addition to

2648
01:52:33,540 --> 01:52:35,699
Bringing people in so yeah

2649
01:52:35,699 --> 01:52:39,360
kind of and this will still have to go

2650
01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:41,820
through the special event advisory

2651
01:52:41,820 --> 01:52:44,100
committee so we will still have the

2652
01:52:44,100 --> 01:52:45,719
capacity here like you know in the room

2653
01:52:45,719 --> 01:52:48,719
look at those dates that might be weird

2654
01:52:48,719 --> 01:52:51,600
so maybe it could be approved also with

2655
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:54,679
giving that committee the ability to

2656
01:52:54,679 --> 01:52:57,540
holistically look at the dates

2657
01:52:57,540 --> 01:52:58,400
um

2658
01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:01,440
maybe we can ask if it looks like some

2659
01:53:01,440 --> 01:53:02,880
of their dates are going to coincide

2660
01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:05,719
with busy times and you could

2661
01:53:05,719 --> 01:53:09,320
raise a flag and bring it back up yeah

2662
01:53:09,320 --> 01:53:12,719
before approving that date

2663
01:53:12,719 --> 01:53:19,490
for

2664
01:53:19,500 --> 01:53:21,600
so I think the motion is that to prove

2665
01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:23,820
everything on the list with two

2666
01:53:23,820 --> 01:53:25,500
exceptions and then there's some

2667
01:53:25,500 --> 01:53:28,619
conditions on the yeah that music event

2668
01:53:28,619 --> 01:53:32,040
and I think also back we also wanted

2669
01:53:32,040 --> 01:53:34,800
them to avoid over utilizing that

2670
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:37,560
staging area okay so we need some kind

2671
01:53:37,560 --> 01:53:38,820
of like

2672
01:53:38,820 --> 01:53:41,219
appropriate ticket numbers like even if

2673
01:53:41,219 --> 01:53:43,500
that's just like a vague kind of thing

2674
01:53:43,500 --> 01:53:47,580
for for Red Cliffs I think monitor this

2675
01:53:47,580 --> 01:53:49,760
year yeah I think so too

2676
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:52,320
they don't just like

2677
01:53:52,320 --> 01:53:54,360
they get some big headliner and they

2678
01:53:54,360 --> 01:53:56,219
don't have some cap you know like the

2679
01:53:56,219 --> 01:54:02,950
stuff show over there

2680
01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:05,540
we're all going

2681
01:54:05,540 --> 01:54:09,679
I need to observe what's going on

2682
01:54:09,679 --> 01:54:12,360
all right are we are we good I I feel

2683
01:54:12,360 --> 01:54:13,679
comfortable because we're right okay

2684
01:54:13,679 --> 01:54:16,440
cool I'll I'll adjourn the um special

2685
01:54:16,440 --> 01:54:18,840
workshop and we'll reconvene at five

2686
01:54:18,840 --> 01:54:21,420
minutes at four o'clock

2687
01:54:21,420 --> 02:03:35,109
foreign

2688
02:03:35,119 --> 02:03:38,570
it's somebody

2689
02:03:38,580 --> 02:03:46,310
Mark Markham can you hear me

2690
02:03:46,320 --> 02:03:48,179
yes I can

2691
02:03:48,179 --> 02:03:50,880
great thank you Mark

2692
02:03:50,880 --> 02:03:53,699
all right I will uh open this regular

2693
02:03:53,699 --> 02:03:56,040
meeting of the Thompson Springs special

2694
02:03:56,040 --> 02:03:59,360
service fire district uh October 18th

2695
02:03:59,360 --> 02:04:02,280
present our County Commissioner Sarah

2696
02:04:02,280 --> 02:04:04,139
stock Kevin Walker juicy Kovash Kevin

2697
02:04:04,139 --> 02:04:06,179
Clapper Patricia Dean Mary McGann and

2698
02:04:06,179 --> 02:04:08,280
myself Chuck cadler

2699
02:04:08,280 --> 02:04:11,400
um we also have clerk Gateway tech we

2700
02:04:11,400 --> 02:04:12,780
have commission administrator Mallory

2701
02:04:12,780 --> 02:04:15,119
Nassau associate administrator Quinn

2702
02:04:15,119 --> 02:04:20,760
Hall and we have Chief Markham on Zoom

2703
02:04:20,760 --> 02:04:23,760
um our first order of business is

2704
02:04:23,760 --> 02:04:26,219
citizens to be heard do we have any

2705
02:04:26,219 --> 02:04:28,020
citizens who would like to be heard on

2706
02:04:28,020 --> 02:04:30,060
uh issues pertaining to the Thompson

2707
02:04:30,060 --> 02:04:33,649
fire district

2708
02:04:33,659 --> 02:04:36,480
all right seeing none we'll move on uh

2709
02:04:36,480 --> 02:04:39,540
next up we have approval of minutes

2710
02:04:39,540 --> 02:04:41,400
um approval of minutes from the

2711
02:04:41,400 --> 02:04:44,639
September 20th meeting

2712
02:04:44,639 --> 02:04:46,980
did anyone care to make a motion I moved

2713
02:04:46,980 --> 02:04:49,699
to accept the minutes as

2714
02:04:49,699 --> 02:04:53,219
presented in the packet for uh the

2715
02:04:53,219 --> 02:04:58,870
meeting on the 20th of

2716
02:04:58,880 --> 02:05:03,709
I have a motion

2717
02:05:03,719 --> 02:05:04,920
second

2718
02:05:04,920 --> 02:05:06,960
all right I have a motion for approval

2719
02:05:06,960 --> 02:05:08,340
of minutes by commissioner mcgannon

2720
02:05:08,340 --> 02:05:09,840
second by commissioner Clapper any

2721
02:05:09,840 --> 02:05:12,119
discussion of the Thompson minutes

2722
02:05:12,119 --> 02:05:13,860
seeing none I'll call for a vote all

2723
02:05:13,860 --> 02:05:16,980
this in favor raise your hand

2724
02:05:16,980 --> 02:05:19,139
motion passes unanimously six to nothing

2725
02:05:19,139 --> 02:05:21,900
with commissioner Kovash absent

2726
02:05:21,900 --> 02:05:24,420
um we are on into ratification of

2727
02:05:24,420 --> 02:05:27,500
payment of bills

2728
02:05:27,500 --> 02:05:30,300
ratification of total bills in the

2729
02:05:30,300 --> 02:05:32,760
amount of two thousand twenty dollars

2730
02:05:32,760 --> 02:05:34,619
and ninety six cents total payroll the

2731
02:05:34,619 --> 02:05:35,900
amount of 1

2732
02:05:35,900 --> 02:05:38,940
646.88 total bills and payroll in the

2733
02:05:38,940 --> 02:05:40,820
amount of

2734
02:05:40,820 --> 02:05:43,679
3667.84 uh

2735
02:05:43,679 --> 02:05:47,930
can I get a motion

2736
02:05:47,940 --> 02:05:49,320
so moved

2737
02:05:49,320 --> 02:05:51,659
Patricia

2738
02:05:51,659 --> 02:05:53,400
all right motion to approve the bills by

2739
02:05:53,400 --> 02:05:57,599
commissioner second by commissioner Walker any discussion on

2740
02:05:57,599 --> 02:05:59,520
Thompson bills

2741
02:05:59,520 --> 02:06:01,139
saying no no call for a vote all those

2742
02:06:01,139 --> 02:06:03,540
in favor of the motion raise your hand

2743
02:06:03,540 --> 02:06:05,760
motion passes six to nothing with uh

2744
02:06:05,760 --> 02:06:09,239
commissioner Kovash absent

2745
02:06:09,239 --> 02:06:12,719
um we are moving on to our fire chiefs

2746
02:06:12,719 --> 02:06:15,659
report and we have Chief Markham on Zoom

2747
02:06:15,659 --> 02:06:18,480
uh mark

2748
02:06:18,480 --> 02:06:20,719
uh hello

2749
02:06:20,719 --> 02:06:23,340
can you hear me we can yes thank you

2750
02:06:23,340 --> 02:06:25,440
okay great yeah I'll start off with

2751
02:06:25,440 --> 02:06:26,880
recent incidents

2752
02:06:26,880 --> 02:06:29,940
on September 26th we had a semi-truck

2753
02:06:29,940 --> 02:06:31,080
and trailer

2754
02:06:31,080 --> 02:06:33,179
go flying off the bridge on I-78 mile

2755
02:06:33,179 --> 02:06:35,340
marker 205 uh that's right at the West

2756
02:06:35,340 --> 02:06:37,980
Cisco exit I went down about 70 feet

2757
02:06:37,980 --> 02:06:39,719
landed on the railroad tracks there it's

2758
02:06:39,719 --> 02:06:42,420
about six o'clock in the morning and uh

2759
02:06:42,420 --> 02:06:44,820
that was quite the rescue it took a

2760
02:06:44,820 --> 02:06:46,619
quite a few members of MOA Valley Fire

2761
02:06:46,619 --> 02:06:49,679
Department myself Grant County EMS and

2762
02:06:49,679 --> 02:06:52,440
the Sheriff's Office and also uhp to to

2763
02:06:52,440 --> 02:06:54,360
get the uh the patient extricated from

2764
02:06:54,360 --> 02:06:56,099
the from the truck and then back up to

2765
02:06:56,099 --> 02:06:59,460
the to the um to the waiting ambulance

2766
02:06:59,460 --> 02:07:01,560
so that took a couple hours actually to

2767
02:07:01,560 --> 02:07:04,139
get for that whole thing to go down

2768
02:07:04,139 --> 02:07:06,179
um we had three different trauma calls

2769
02:07:06,179 --> 02:07:08,699
in early October two in the Book Cliffs

2770
02:07:08,699 --> 02:07:10,560
far above Thompson but in Grand County

2771
02:07:10,560 --> 02:07:13,739
and then one at Crescent Junction

2772
02:07:13,739 --> 02:07:16,800
as far as equipment goes I'll be getting

2773
02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:19,619
our building backup generator serviced

2774
02:07:19,619 --> 02:07:21,000
it's due

2775
02:07:21,000 --> 02:07:22,619
um just in time for winter here so have

2776
02:07:22,619 --> 02:07:24,300
that ready to go to keep the heat going

2777
02:07:24,300 --> 02:07:26,460
in case the power goes out on Thompson

2778
02:07:26,460 --> 02:07:29,940
and then uh also kind of a big item is

2779
02:07:29,940 --> 02:07:31,980
our jaws of life which is a crucial

2780
02:07:31,980 --> 02:07:34,619
education tool and really needs to be

2781
02:07:34,619 --> 02:07:37,619
replaced it's over 20 years old and so

2782
02:07:37,619 --> 02:07:39,300
I'm trying to work that into the budget

2783
02:07:39,300 --> 02:07:41,159
they're they're not cheap but I'm I'm

2784
02:07:41,159 --> 02:07:43,380
trying to find the best deal and I just

2785
02:07:43,380 --> 02:07:46,020
really need to have that out there so

2786
02:07:46,020 --> 02:07:48,420
and then lastly I'll be attending the

2787
02:07:48,420 --> 02:07:50,580
EMS conference and training in Provo on

2788
02:07:50,580 --> 02:07:52,739
November 9th through 12th to help keep

2789
02:07:52,739 --> 02:07:55,320
up my EMS training

2790
02:07:55,320 --> 02:07:58,490
and that's it

2791
02:07:58,500 --> 02:08:00,960
okay awesome Mark can I have to ask him

2792
02:08:00,960 --> 02:08:02,699
a question yes please hey Mark it's

2793
02:08:02,699 --> 02:08:03,540
Trish

2794
02:08:03,540 --> 02:08:05,880
um I Heard Kurt talking about those

2795
02:08:05,880 --> 02:08:07,500
rescues in the Book Cliffs do you know

2796
02:08:07,500 --> 02:08:10,320
what area they were in and and and also

2797
02:08:10,320 --> 02:08:12,480
on top of that you feel like we're

2798
02:08:12,480 --> 02:08:16,430
getting more calls out in that country

2799
02:08:16,440 --> 02:08:19,199
um I know one was in Boger Canyon Okay

2800
02:08:19,199 --> 02:08:21,000
we both like passed the Indian

2801
02:08:21,000 --> 02:08:23,219
reservation and the other one was I

2802
02:08:23,219 --> 02:08:24,840
can't recall but it was still past there

2803
02:08:24,840 --> 02:08:26,520
I was actually coming back from an

2804
02:08:26,520 --> 02:08:28,080
airport conference when those went down

2805
02:08:28,080 --> 02:08:30,780
so I wasn't a part of those but uh yeah

2806
02:08:30,780 --> 02:08:32,699
this is hunting season big time up there

2807
02:08:32,699 --> 02:08:34,380
yeah the horse trailers are going

2808
02:08:34,380 --> 02:08:37,440
non-stop up and down so it's usually

2809
02:08:37,440 --> 02:08:38,760
this time we'll have at least one but

2810
02:08:38,760 --> 02:08:40,380
there's actually three in the book list

2811
02:08:40,380 --> 02:08:42,179
that day the other one was above West

2812
02:08:42,179 --> 02:08:44,820
water but yeah I'm definitely seeing

2813
02:08:44,820 --> 02:08:46,920
more traffic up there

2814
02:08:46,920 --> 02:08:49,080
um and it's very remote remote and it's

2815
02:08:49,080 --> 02:08:51,900
hard to get to and a lot of times I have

2816
02:08:51,900 --> 02:08:53,639
to use a helicopter to get up there so

2817
02:08:53,639 --> 02:08:55,679
it's it's interesting and the weather's

2818
02:08:55,679 --> 02:08:57,060
been good so when the weather gets bad

2819
02:08:57,060 --> 02:08:58,380
it's going to be even more interesting

2820
02:08:58,380 --> 02:09:00,840
right right okay thank you so much

2821
02:09:00,840 --> 02:09:02,340
you're welcome

2822
02:09:02,340 --> 02:09:04,080
yeah thank you Mark and thanks for your

2823
02:09:04,080 --> 02:09:07,739
continued uh good workout Thompson

2824
02:09:07,739 --> 02:09:09,900
thank you

2825
02:09:09,900 --> 02:09:11,760
um it looks like we don't have any newer

2826
02:09:11,760 --> 02:09:13,500
old business with Thompson

2827
02:09:13,500 --> 02:09:17,219
um so I will adjourn the um

2828
02:09:17,219 --> 02:09:19,199
Thompson special service

2829
02:09:19,199 --> 02:09:21,540
fire district meeting

2830
02:09:21,540 --> 02:09:24,960
and I will uh open the regular Grant

2831
02:09:24,960 --> 02:09:28,440
County Commission meeting October 18th

2832
02:09:28,440 --> 02:09:32,159
411 with all the previously named uh

2833
02:09:32,159 --> 02:09:34,320
Commissioners in staff present as well

2834
02:09:34,320 --> 02:09:37,380
as I see attorney Sloan has joined us on

2835
02:09:37,380 --> 02:09:39,119
Zoom

2836
02:09:39,119 --> 02:09:41,460
um so we will rise to the Pledge of

2837
02:09:41,460 --> 02:09:52,330
Allegiance

2838
02:09:52,340 --> 02:10:01,550
one nation

2839
02:10:01,560 --> 02:10:03,060
all right

2840
02:10:03,060 --> 02:10:05,460
um citizens to be heard uh we'll go with

2841
02:10:05,460 --> 02:10:07,619
any citizens in the room here who would

2842
02:10:07,619 --> 02:10:11,040
care to come up and uh make a statement

2843
02:10:11,040 --> 02:10:12,360
and if you're here to make a statement

2844
02:10:12,360 --> 02:10:14,219
please come up to the table

2845
02:10:14,219 --> 02:10:19,310
anyone like to be heard at this point

2846
02:10:19,320 --> 02:10:21,719
looks like not in the room is there

2847
02:10:21,719 --> 02:10:24,840
anybody on Zoom who would like to uh

2848
02:10:24,840 --> 02:10:27,239
whose decision would like to be heard

2849
02:10:27,239 --> 02:10:31,310
raise your hand around mute

2850
02:10:31,320 --> 02:10:33,300
all right just look like we have anyone

2851
02:10:33,300 --> 02:10:35,760
on Zoom either or send out one more call

2852
02:10:35,760 --> 02:10:37,139
in the room and we will have another

2853
02:10:37,139 --> 02:10:39,300
system to be heard at six o'clock anyone

2854
02:10:39,300 --> 02:10:46,250
care to come up and be heard

2855
02:10:46,260 --> 02:10:51,020
we will move on to Department reports

2856
02:10:51,020 --> 02:10:54,960
and our first report is from uh the

2857
02:10:54,960 --> 02:10:56,280
building department and that is Bill

2858
02:10:56,280 --> 02:10:58,139
Holston before bill you get started come

2859
02:10:58,139 --> 02:10:59,400
on

2860
02:10:59,400 --> 02:11:02,880
uh we just wanted to um we just want to

2861
02:11:02,880 --> 02:11:05,699
thank you uh very much for your untiring

2862
02:11:05,699 --> 02:11:08,219
work during all of our recent emergency

2863
02:11:08,219 --> 02:11:10,080
events

2864
02:11:10,080 --> 02:11:11,880
um the floods especially in the fire

2865
02:11:11,880 --> 02:11:15,659
before that uh you've absolutely risen

2866
02:11:15,659 --> 02:11:18,179
to the occasion and done a superb job

2867
02:11:18,179 --> 02:11:20,159
during these tough events and we very

2868
02:11:20,159 --> 02:11:22,199
much appreciate it and we have a

2869
02:11:22,199 --> 02:11:24,239
I was talking about appreciation for you

2870
02:11:24,239 --> 02:11:27,830
here

2871
02:11:27,840 --> 02:11:37,669
thank you very much

2872
02:11:37,679 --> 02:11:39,719
so I am Bill Holst building official

2873
02:11:39,719 --> 02:11:41,760
deadline administrator

2874
02:11:41,760 --> 02:11:43,739
um we've had a pretty busy year so far

2875
02:11:43,739 --> 02:11:45,420
construction and county is still going

2876
02:11:45,420 --> 02:11:46,920
strong

2877
02:11:46,920 --> 02:11:50,099
we've issued 243 permits so far this

2878
02:11:50,099 --> 02:11:53,159
year total revenue of 250

2879
02:11:53,159 --> 02:11:55,920
000 give or take

2880
02:11:55,920 --> 02:11:58,260
we are also finishing up the permits

2881
02:11:58,260 --> 02:12:00,060
that we have started in San Juan County

2882
02:12:00,060 --> 02:12:01,920
a few years back we had an email local

2883
02:12:01,920 --> 02:12:04,199
agreement started with them they've had

2884
02:12:04,199 --> 02:12:06,659
staffs they needed some help we stepped

2885
02:12:06,659 --> 02:12:09,300
in they are fully staffed now so they

2886
02:12:09,300 --> 02:12:11,639
will be taking that back over so they'll

2887
02:12:11,639 --> 02:12:12,960
take a little bit of a workload off of

2888
02:12:12,960 --> 02:12:13,860
us

2889
02:12:13,860 --> 02:12:15,300
give us a little bit more time for Club

2890
02:12:15,300 --> 02:12:18,109
Time stuff

2891
02:12:18,119 --> 02:12:21,000
um next week we're having two contractor

2892
02:12:21,000 --> 02:12:22,679
Community education classes for

2893
02:12:22,679 --> 02:12:24,420
electricians and then we're going to

2894
02:12:24,420 --> 02:12:26,159
have a one day 12 hour class for

2895
02:12:26,159 --> 02:12:27,960
plumbers in November

2896
02:12:27,960 --> 02:12:29,820
so these are the classes that they need

2897
02:12:29,820 --> 02:12:34,080
to take to renew their licenses with the state

2898
02:12:34,080 --> 02:12:35,699
of the state in the past we've had

2899
02:12:35,699 --> 02:12:38,040
to partner up with the USU Moab

2900
02:12:38,040 --> 02:12:40,020
because the state law changed we

2901
02:12:40,020 --> 02:12:42,659
couldn't provide that education anymore

2902
02:12:42,659 --> 02:12:45,540
but a state agency or a university could

2903
02:12:45,540 --> 02:12:48,719
we figured USU was probably better than

2904
02:12:48,719 --> 02:12:51,540
the ABC or contractors

2905
02:12:51,540 --> 02:12:53,699
so we went with them this year we're

2906
02:12:53,699 --> 02:12:56,159
going to expand a little bit we're all

2907
02:12:56,159 --> 02:12:57,300
offering

2908
02:12:57,300 --> 02:12:59,880
a class here live in Moab we're also

2909
02:12:59,880 --> 02:13:02,460
offering it live in Blanding and price

2910
02:13:02,460 --> 02:13:05,940
and then we have an online webinar

2911
02:13:05,940 --> 02:13:07,739
that people can do it from wherever they

2912
02:13:07,739 --> 02:13:11,750
are in the country

2913
02:13:11,760 --> 02:13:14,760
on the floodplain side

2914
02:13:14,760 --> 02:13:16,679
we've been a little bit busy too we've

2915
02:13:16,679 --> 02:13:18,119
been working with Bill Jackson on a

2916
02:13:18,119 --> 02:13:20,219
couple of foot pain grants

2917
02:13:20,219 --> 02:13:22,320
prove its own pack great we actually had

2918
02:13:22,320 --> 02:13:25,320
a pre-bid meeting yesterday for the nrcs

2919
02:13:25,320 --> 02:13:26,460
grants they're going to deal with the

2920
02:13:26,460 --> 02:13:29,360
five Crossings crossing the creek

2921
02:13:29,360 --> 02:13:31,560
so hopefully we'll be getting started on

2922
02:13:31,560 --> 02:13:33,420
construction around the beginning of

2923
02:13:33,420 --> 02:13:35,340
November and wrapping up by the end of

2924
02:13:35,340 --> 02:13:37,500
the year

2925
02:13:37,500 --> 02:13:39,239
um we proceeded our first verification

2926
02:13:39,239 --> 02:13:42,239
visit with the CRS which is a program in

2927
02:13:42,239 --> 02:13:43,980
the nfip the national flood insurance

2928
02:13:43,980 --> 02:13:45,300
program

2929
02:13:45,300 --> 02:13:47,099
we were accepted as a class eight

2930
02:13:47,099 --> 02:13:48,900
Community which gives our

2931
02:13:48,900 --> 02:13:50,699
property owners that live in a special

2932
02:13:50,699 --> 02:13:52,980
desert area a 10 discount on their flood

2933
02:13:52,980 --> 02:13:54,540
insurance

2934
02:13:54,540 --> 02:13:58,609
outside of it a five percent discount

2935
02:13:58,619 --> 02:14:01,139
Jenny and Emergency Management

2936
02:14:01,139 --> 02:14:03,239
but the Army Corps of Engineers silver

2937
02:14:03,239 --> 02:14:05,280
jackets they're putting together a flood

2938
02:14:05,280 --> 02:14:07,679
emergency action plan for us so we hope

2939
02:14:07,679 --> 02:14:10,020
to have that

2940
02:14:10,020 --> 02:14:11,699
hopefully wrapped up by the end of the

2941
02:14:11,699 --> 02:14:13,320
year

2942
02:14:13,320 --> 02:14:14,880
that's about it

2943
02:14:14,880 --> 02:14:19,970
I'm sure there's a whole bunch more but

2944
02:14:19,980 --> 02:14:22,020
just kind of Trends on building do you

2945
02:14:22,020 --> 02:14:24,000
feel like things are kind of plateauing

2946
02:14:24,000 --> 02:14:26,040
I mean it's far you've been around for a

2947
02:14:26,040 --> 02:14:27,540
while I mean it

2948
02:14:27,540 --> 02:14:29,159
didn't feel just in general

2949
02:14:29,159 --> 02:14:31,020
um you know

2950
02:14:31,020 --> 02:14:33,060
with covid we didn't see a Slowdown at

2951
02:14:33,060 --> 02:14:36,290
all

2952
02:14:36,300 --> 02:14:38,820
things are starting to

2953
02:14:38,820 --> 02:14:40,260
go down a little bit I think it's

2954
02:14:40,260 --> 02:14:41,940
actually spurring more construction

2955
02:14:41,940 --> 02:14:44,280
right we have a couple big projects

2956
02:14:44,280 --> 02:14:46,440
still coming in that

2957
02:14:46,440 --> 02:14:49,980
haven't you should get this year I hope

2958
02:14:49,980 --> 02:14:51,960
you get a mission by the end of the year

2959
02:14:51,960 --> 02:14:55,679
we try to we try to keep our our budget

2960
02:14:55,679 --> 02:14:57,960
um with the building departments we try

2961
02:14:57,960 --> 02:14:59,940
to keep our bucket so that

2962
02:14:59,940 --> 02:15:03,179
the services we provide to individuals

2963
02:15:03,179 --> 02:15:05,639
with buildings are covered by their

2964
02:15:05,639 --> 02:15:08,040
building permit fees

2965
02:15:08,040 --> 02:15:11,040
there is some extra left over but we do

2966
02:15:11,040 --> 02:15:13,860
a lot of Outreach programs and work for

2967
02:15:13,860 --> 02:15:17,280
the general public so

2968
02:15:17,280 --> 02:15:20,099
higher budget but we're gonna be pretty

2969
02:15:20,099 --> 02:15:21,320
close

2970
02:15:21,320 --> 02:15:24,540
so my question is similar to um Trish's

2971
02:15:24,540 --> 02:15:25,800
you mentioned the number of building

2972
02:15:25,800 --> 02:15:27,420
permits I'm assuming you have a

2973
02:15:27,420 --> 02:15:29,099
statistics going back a few years for

2974
02:15:29,099 --> 02:15:33,719
how many permits of various types it

2975
02:15:33,719 --> 02:15:35,820
kind of hangs around that scene

2976
02:15:35,820 --> 02:15:37,980
okay 250.

2977
02:15:37,980 --> 02:15:40,920
um again some of them are deceiving

2978
02:15:40,920 --> 02:15:43,980
or a motel obviously there's a whole lot

2979
02:15:43,980 --> 02:15:45,480
more work involved but still on the

2980
02:15:45,480 --> 02:15:47,520
council department I guess I'd just be

2981
02:15:47,520 --> 02:15:49,380
interested in um emailing with you after

2982
02:15:49,380 --> 02:15:51,179
the meeting just to you know get like

2983
02:15:51,179 --> 02:15:53,940
the spreadsheet or whatever it is

2984
02:15:53,940 --> 02:15:57,830
that'd be great thanks

2985
02:15:57,840 --> 02:16:01,199
Mary Did Jefferson yes uh where are we

2986
02:16:01,199 --> 02:16:03,119
on the cleanup are we completed with the

2987
02:16:03,119 --> 02:16:06,000
cleanup at uh pack Creek Estates they

2988
02:16:06,000 --> 02:16:07,920
mobilized this morning they started

2989
02:16:07,920 --> 02:16:09,659
cleaning up and living this cottonwood

2990
02:16:09,659 --> 02:16:10,860
trees

2991
02:16:10,860 --> 02:16:13,260
um they plan on finishing up within two

2992
02:16:13,260 --> 02:16:14,579
weeks

2993
02:16:14,579 --> 02:16:17,579
Brandon with the fire department and I

2994
02:16:17,579 --> 02:16:19,320
plan on going out

2995
02:16:19,320 --> 02:16:22,619
on the first and third

2996
02:16:22,619 --> 02:16:24,360
to do inspections we're going to be

2997
02:16:24,360 --> 02:16:25,320
looking at

2998
02:16:25,320 --> 02:16:28,850
homes

2999
02:16:28,860 --> 02:16:30,360
address

3000
02:16:30,360 --> 02:16:32,160
and we'll be looking at General cleanup

3001
02:16:32,160 --> 02:16:36,300
yards outbuildings things like that

3002
02:16:36,300 --> 02:16:39,719
screen on neighborhood cleanup

3003
02:16:39,719 --> 02:16:41,580
to clean some of that stuff up and the

3004
02:16:41,580 --> 02:16:43,320
owners have some pretty

3005
02:16:43,320 --> 02:16:45,540
Big Ideas on

3006
02:16:45,540 --> 02:16:48,420
wanting to keep the affordability

3007
02:16:48,420 --> 02:16:49,620
um

3008
02:16:49,620 --> 02:16:52,260
expand on it to do he may be looking for

3009
02:16:52,260 --> 02:16:54,179
long-term Park

3010
02:16:54,179 --> 02:16:56,939
a long-term kind of part I mean uh as

3011
02:16:56,939 --> 02:16:59,820
far as the long-term rental yeah partner

3012
02:16:59,820 --> 02:17:02,160
not not about four acres on the back

3013
02:17:02,160 --> 02:17:05,219
side that's been bacon for years they've

3014
02:17:05,219 --> 02:17:07,559
had overflow camping on there there's

3015
02:17:07,559 --> 02:17:09,300
been a bunch of issues

3016
02:17:09,300 --> 02:17:11,160
now with the Plenty Department working

3017
02:17:11,160 --> 02:17:13,380
on the new

3018
02:17:13,380 --> 02:17:17,160
falling overlay separate

3019
02:17:17,160 --> 02:17:19,139
they're they're reaching out to planning

3020
02:17:19,139 --> 02:17:21,240
and zoning and talking about

3021
02:17:21,240 --> 02:17:26,929
that

3022
02:17:26,939 --> 02:17:29,519
short-term rental Camp Park and it'd be

3023
02:17:29,519 --> 02:17:33,230
a long-term rental Camp Park

3024
02:17:33,240 --> 02:17:35,219
yeah so they're working with playing and

3025
02:17:35,219 --> 02:17:37,519
something I know that's not yeah

3026
02:17:37,519 --> 02:17:40,320
and the lady that owned it that came and

3027
02:17:40,320 --> 02:17:43,559
thanked us she lives out of town yes

3028
02:17:43,559 --> 02:17:45,479
she's in Connecticut her partner is here

3029
02:17:45,479 --> 02:17:49,790
and

3030
02:17:49,800 --> 02:17:52,139
I know that was really tough and thank

3031
02:17:52,139 --> 02:17:54,420
you for all the work you did that was a

3032
02:17:54,420 --> 02:17:56,820
hard one yeah

3033
02:17:56,820 --> 02:17:59,160
it tough going out and talking to those

3034
02:17:59,160 --> 02:18:02,450
people that just lost everything

3035
02:18:02,460 --> 02:18:04,080
there's still rules that need to be

3036
02:18:04,080 --> 02:18:05,580
followed when we're recovering and

3037
02:18:05,580 --> 02:18:09,589
putting stuff back together

3038
02:18:09,599 --> 02:18:11,399
and I know they haven't always we

3039
02:18:11,399 --> 02:18:13,439
haven't always dealt with really polite

3040
02:18:13,439 --> 02:18:15,679
people and it's been

3041
02:18:15,679 --> 02:18:18,300
you don't get paid enough for them the

3042
02:18:18,300 --> 02:18:20,580
building inspector so I'm quite used to

3043
02:18:20,580 --> 02:18:23,589
that

3044
02:18:23,599 --> 02:18:25,920
all right anyone else have anything for

3045
02:18:25,920 --> 02:18:28,200
Bill Evan yeah I I know you've been

3046
02:18:28,200 --> 02:18:30,000
dealing with a lot more pressing stuff

3047
02:18:30,000 --> 02:18:32,280
and and uh to a degree much more

3048
02:18:32,280 --> 02:18:34,320
important but I was just while you were

3049
02:18:34,320 --> 02:18:35,639
here I was curious if off the top of

3050
02:18:35,639 --> 02:18:39,599
your head you knew how many of the uh

3051
02:18:39,599 --> 02:18:41,760
approved Hotel permits that haven't

3052
02:18:41,760 --> 02:18:43,800
Broken Ground are still coming down the

3053
02:18:43,800 --> 02:18:47,509
pipe

3054
02:18:47,519 --> 02:18:50,880
the Country Industries and they've been

3055
02:18:50,880 --> 02:18:53,160
at it for a while

3056
02:18:53,160 --> 02:18:55,260
um I think they initially submitted in

3057
02:18:55,260 --> 02:18:58,559
2018 2019 uh

3058
02:18:58,559 --> 02:19:00,059
and have gone through a bunch of

3059
02:19:00,059 --> 02:19:03,000
Renditions with site plan and the

3060
02:19:03,000 --> 02:19:04,740
building plans have been approved since

3061
02:19:04,740 --> 02:19:07,679
2019.

3062
02:19:07,679 --> 02:19:09,000
we've actually had to build through

3063
02:19:09,000 --> 02:19:10,920
because we've had a code update and

3064
02:19:10,920 --> 02:19:15,830
three reviews

3065
02:19:15,840 --> 02:19:18,240
thanks

3066
02:19:18,240 --> 02:19:23,509
yeah

3067
02:19:23,519 --> 02:19:25,639
only because we had so many questions

3068
02:19:25,639 --> 02:19:28,019
thank you very much yeah that's why we

3069
02:19:28,019 --> 02:19:30,469
like it

3070
02:19:30,479 --> 02:19:32,580
all right next up we have another

3071
02:19:32,580 --> 02:19:34,320
department report Economic Development

3072
02:19:34,320 --> 02:19:36,240
with uh August granite and I think I saw

3073
02:19:36,240 --> 02:19:38,519
August on Zoom there he is

3074
02:19:38,519 --> 02:19:41,399
are you in arches

3075
02:19:41,399 --> 02:19:45,479
you know Live From The Scene doing my

3076
02:19:45,479 --> 02:19:47,340
job talking to visitors taking a break

3077
02:19:47,340 --> 02:19:53,150
from interp

3078
02:19:53,160 --> 02:19:53,720
erson

3079
02:19:53,720 --> 02:19:56,399
it's just that's just my uh back country

3080
02:19:56,399 --> 02:19:59,700
ski brain wishfully thinking

3081
02:19:59,700 --> 02:20:01,800
and and hopefully that Evan doesn't have

3082
02:20:01,800 --> 02:20:03,780
to you know be involved in getting me

3083
02:20:03,780 --> 02:20:06,950
out of there next time but

3084
02:20:06,960 --> 02:20:08,640
um we could talk about that another time

3085
02:20:08,640 --> 02:20:14,690
okay I'm gonna share my screen

3086
02:20:14,700 --> 02:20:18,170
can you see my screen

3087
02:20:18,180 --> 02:20:19,320
all right

3088
02:20:19,320 --> 02:20:21,660
um I tried to make this quick and I

3089
02:20:21,660 --> 02:20:25,560
ended up with 60 slides so you know I'm

3090
02:20:25,560 --> 02:20:28,080
gonna try to go as quick as I can but as

3091
02:20:28,080 --> 02:20:29,399
you all know there's a lot going on in

3092
02:20:29,399 --> 02:20:31,140
my world and I'm gonna try to touch on

3093
02:20:31,140 --> 02:20:33,300
as much as what we've done in the last

3094
02:20:33,300 --> 02:20:35,160
year or so

3095
02:20:35,160 --> 02:20:36,780
um and feel free to cut me off or tell

3096
02:20:36,780 --> 02:20:38,880
me to go faster

3097
02:20:38,880 --> 02:20:41,880
Etc so I'm going to jump right into it

3098
02:20:41,880 --> 02:20:43,200
um one thing I'm not going to touch on

3099
02:20:43,200 --> 02:20:44,700
in this presentation is all the special

3100
02:20:44,700 --> 02:20:46,680
event work that Rachel has done in our

3101
02:20:46,680 --> 02:20:48,899
office uh you just spent a lovely two

3102
02:20:48,899 --> 02:20:51,240
hours with her and Angie going diving

3103
02:20:51,240 --> 02:20:53,580
deep I think you all know how much work

3104
02:20:53,580 --> 02:20:56,160
has gone into reforming that process

3105
02:20:56,160 --> 02:20:58,319
um so just know that even though it's

3106
02:20:58,319 --> 02:21:01,200
not in this presentation uh Rachel is

3107
02:21:01,200 --> 02:21:02,880
doing a great job

3108
02:21:02,880 --> 02:21:06,300
and is an essential part of the office

3109
02:21:06,300 --> 02:21:07,740
um okay so what goes on in this building

3110
02:21:07,740 --> 02:21:09,359
that no one knows what it is except for

3111
02:21:09,359 --> 02:21:12,420
those who knows what it is on

3112
02:21:12,420 --> 02:21:15,300
first of all just a quick plug we're

3113
02:21:15,300 --> 02:21:16,800
doing a lot of training professional

3114
02:21:16,800 --> 02:21:18,240
development

3115
02:21:18,240 --> 02:21:19,740
um I did a management Leadership Academy

3116
02:21:19,740 --> 02:21:22,380
this year to try to turn myself into a

3117
02:21:22,380 --> 02:21:24,359
leader and manager

3118
02:21:24,359 --> 02:21:26,040
um all of us including myself did a

3119
02:21:26,040 --> 02:21:27,600
science lab science certification

3120
02:21:27,600 --> 02:21:29,760
training and soil Crest geology and

3121
02:21:29,760 --> 02:21:32,939
ecology Melissa got an MBA

3122
02:21:32,939 --> 02:21:35,819
um and Biga got a certified

3123
02:21:35,819 --> 02:21:38,340
um as a commissioner film commissioner

3124
02:21:38,340 --> 02:21:39,300
under the association of film

3125
02:21:39,300 --> 02:21:41,760
Commissioners International

3126
02:21:41,760 --> 02:21:43,439
um but what do we do what what goes on

3127
02:21:43,439 --> 02:21:44,939
in that building what goes on in my

3128
02:21:44,939 --> 02:21:48,120
brain uh it typically is kind of an

3129
02:21:48,120 --> 02:21:51,359
insane jumble of all of the above

3130
02:21:51,359 --> 02:21:53,460
um I'm gonna try to tease out

3131
02:21:53,460 --> 02:21:55,859
um a clearer narrative

3132
02:21:55,859 --> 02:21:57,660
um than this

3133
02:21:57,660 --> 02:21:59,939
so first we have some visitor economy

3134
02:21:59,939 --> 02:22:01,680
programs

3135
02:22:01,680 --> 02:22:04,260
um so that includes we're going to start

3136
02:22:04,260 --> 02:22:05,939
with visitor education so with the

3137
02:22:05,939 --> 02:22:07,439
biggest one this year was The Arches

3138
02:22:07,439 --> 02:22:09,180
timed entry visitor education campaign

3139
02:22:09,180 --> 02:22:11,399
we have a newly released biocrest video

3140
02:22:11,399 --> 02:22:13,560
that I'll play a little bit of

3141
02:22:13,560 --> 02:22:15,319
um we launched a human waste management

3142
02:22:15,319 --> 02:22:19,100
website in partnership with the Solid

3143
02:22:19,100 --> 02:22:23,040
Waste Service Special Service District

3144
02:22:23,040 --> 02:22:26,100
um and and uh gcat and as well as some

3145
02:22:26,100 --> 02:22:28,080
noise related

3146
02:22:28,080 --> 02:22:29,939
um educational materials

3147
02:22:29,939 --> 02:22:32,640
so for the timed entry campaign

3148
02:22:32,640 --> 02:22:34,319
um we were we ended up really being an

3149
02:22:34,319 --> 02:22:36,180
essential part of some collaboration

3150
02:22:36,180 --> 02:22:37,979
between the National Park Service the

3151
02:22:37,979 --> 02:22:40,380
Utah office of Tourism the Utah's public

3152
02:22:40,380 --> 02:22:42,300
lands policy coordinating office the

3153
02:22:42,300 --> 02:22:44,939
Utah tourism industry Association USU

3154
02:22:44,939 --> 02:22:46,140
the Chamber of Commerce and the

3155
02:22:46,140 --> 02:22:47,700
Canyonlands Natural History Association

3156
02:22:47,700 --> 02:22:50,880
all with the joint mission of

3157
02:22:50,880 --> 02:22:53,100
um you know how do we mitigate visitor

3158
02:22:53,100 --> 02:22:55,080
confusion and misperception issues

3159
02:22:55,080 --> 02:22:57,240
around this new change and ensure that

3160
02:22:57,240 --> 02:22:59,160
visitors have a seamless trip window

3161
02:22:59,160 --> 02:23:01,319
here and that they book trips um

3162
02:23:01,319 --> 02:23:03,600
regardless of the change

3163
02:23:03,600 --> 02:23:05,460
the information center hosted NPS

3164
02:23:05,460 --> 02:23:07,620
Rangers to facilitate use of rep.gov

3165
02:23:07,620 --> 02:23:09,060
reservations

3166
02:23:09,060 --> 02:23:10,500
UDOT you didn't make it on the previous

3167
02:23:10,500 --> 02:23:12,240
slide provided roadside variable

3168
02:23:12,240 --> 02:23:14,640
messaging signs and our department

3169
02:23:14,640 --> 02:23:17,880
distributed just under 10 000 rack cards

3170
02:23:17,880 --> 02:23:19,500
um and a little over 5 000 Outdoor

3171
02:23:19,500 --> 02:23:22,620
Adventure guides about 105 businesses to

3172
02:23:22,620 --> 02:23:25,260
ensure that any place that a visitor had

3173
02:23:25,260 --> 02:23:28,500
a question are our front desk Warriors

3174
02:23:28,500 --> 02:23:31,080
out there were able to provide the

3175
02:23:31,080 --> 02:23:32,819
relevant information

3176
02:23:32,819 --> 02:23:34,740
we also designed and placed ads in

3177
02:23:34,740 --> 02:23:36,500
traditional Media

3178
02:23:36,500 --> 02:23:40,080
newspapers magazines Etc we updated the

3179
02:23:40,080 --> 02:23:41,520
downtown locator boards to make sure

3180
02:23:41,520 --> 02:23:43,560
that that information was available for

3181
02:23:43,560 --> 02:23:45,780
those just walking down Main Street we

3182
02:23:45,780 --> 02:23:47,160
designed a wall-sized poster for

3183
02:23:47,160 --> 02:23:48,540
Canyonlands Regional Airport and

3184
02:23:48,540 --> 02:23:50,040
answered thousands of visitor emails and

3185
02:23:50,040 --> 02:23:52,200
phone calls basically we tried to do an

3186
02:23:52,200 --> 02:23:54,240
all-out front to make sure that any

3187
02:23:54,240 --> 02:23:55,740
person who'd looked up any information

3188
02:23:55,740 --> 02:23:57,899
or visited the town whatsoever would

3189
02:23:57,899 --> 02:24:00,180
know about the program

3190
02:24:00,180 --> 02:24:01,800
um here's just an example here's Robert

3191
02:24:01,800 --> 02:24:04,319
doing good things he designed this ad

3192
02:24:04,319 --> 02:24:07,380
ended up in one of the um uh traditional

3193
02:24:07,380 --> 02:24:08,939
media Outlets

3194
02:24:08,939 --> 02:24:10,920
and Melissa and Robert were instrumental

3195
02:24:10,920 --> 02:24:13,200
Distributing those

3196
02:24:13,200 --> 02:24:15,120
um rack cards and Outdoor Adventure

3197
02:24:15,120 --> 02:24:16,500
guides throughout the community they

3198
02:24:16,500 --> 02:24:17,939
went out several times a week and made

3199
02:24:17,939 --> 02:24:19,800
really good connections

3200
02:24:19,800 --> 02:24:20,460
um

3201
02:24:20,460 --> 02:24:22,020
that was a really good part of this

3202
02:24:22,020 --> 02:24:23,819
whole experience

3203
02:24:23,819 --> 02:24:26,040
so the biggest piece

3204
02:24:26,040 --> 02:24:28,399
um of this campaign was a 200 000

3205
02:24:28,399 --> 02:24:32,280
digital paid media campaign so we

3206
02:24:32,280 --> 02:24:33,540
targeted

3207
02:24:33,540 --> 02:24:34,640
um

3208
02:24:34,640 --> 02:24:37,680
TripAdvisor YouTube social media

3209
02:24:37,680 --> 02:24:39,780
um Instagram Facebook Etc and paid

3210
02:24:39,780 --> 02:24:42,720
search so you know Google AdWords

3211
02:24:42,720 --> 02:24:45,000
in order to make to Target those who are

3212
02:24:45,000 --> 02:24:47,280
interested in visiting Moab

3213
02:24:47,280 --> 02:24:48,540
um and ensure that they got the

3214
02:24:48,540 --> 02:24:50,880
information that they needed about timed

3215
02:24:50,880 --> 02:24:52,439
entry so that they didn't have the wrong

3216
02:24:52,439 --> 02:24:53,399
information

3217
02:24:53,399 --> 02:24:55,200
that campaign delivered 12 million

3218
02:24:55,200 --> 02:24:58,200
impressions across all platforms 200 000

3219
02:24:58,200 --> 02:25:02,280
page visits to discovermolab.com 150

3220
02:25:02,280 --> 02:25:04,740
000 unique visitors

3221
02:25:04,740 --> 02:25:06,899
um with an average visit time of four

3222
02:25:06,899 --> 02:25:08,399
minutes which is very much above

3223
02:25:08,399 --> 02:25:10,439
industry standard

3224
02:25:10,439 --> 02:25:11,939
um

3225
02:25:11,939 --> 02:25:14,640
on TripAdvisor those that were exposed

3226
02:25:14,640 --> 02:25:16,800
to the ads that we put out there about

3227
02:25:16,800 --> 02:25:18,240
hey there's a timed entry campaign

3228
02:25:18,240 --> 02:25:20,520
please go get your reservation they

3229
02:25:20,520 --> 02:25:22,380
checked out 30 more points of interest

3230
02:25:22,380 --> 02:25:24,240
in the Moab area compared to non-ad

3231
02:25:24,240 --> 02:25:26,880
exposed users they checked out 60 more

3232
02:25:26,880 --> 02:25:28,439
pages of mob information than

3233
02:25:28,439 --> 02:25:31,500
non-exposed users same for accommodation

3234
02:25:31,500 --> 02:25:34,979
attraction and restaurant Pages

3235
02:25:34,979 --> 02:25:37,439
um and they booked 60 more than non-add

3236
02:25:37,439 --> 02:25:40,620
exposed users on TripAdvisor so so my

3237
02:25:40,620 --> 02:25:42,180
takeaway there and this is what love

3238
02:25:42,180 --> 02:25:44,399
agrees with that if exposed to accurate

3239
02:25:44,399 --> 02:25:46,500
information visitors planned accordingly

3240
02:25:46,500 --> 02:25:49,200
and booked a trip to Moab despite a

3241
02:25:49,200 --> 02:25:50,880
potential friction point with this new

3242
02:25:50,880 --> 02:25:52,560
timed entry system

3243
02:25:52,560 --> 02:25:54,780
however if you look at the numbers and

3244
02:25:54,780 --> 02:25:56,700
you compare the data we have for the

3245
02:25:56,700 --> 02:26:00,180
time entry system from 21 to 22 I'll be

3246
02:26:00,180 --> 02:26:02,340
at 21 being a bit of a sugar high year

3247
02:26:02,340 --> 02:26:04,740
we just don't have good 2019 data for

3248
02:26:04,740 --> 02:26:07,140
this reference point total spend in the

3249
02:26:07,140 --> 02:26:09,060
Moab area was down five percent for

3250
02:26:09,060 --> 02:26:12,780
those that time period gas up 18 I don't

3251
02:26:12,780 --> 02:26:13,979
think that's a surprise to anybody

3252
02:26:13,979 --> 02:26:16,140
grocery spend was down 12 restaurant

3253
02:26:16,140 --> 02:26:18,780
span was down 16. lodging spend was down

3254
02:26:18,780 --> 02:26:21,420
25. we're looking forward to hearing

3255
02:26:21,420 --> 02:26:23,520
what The NPS has

3256
02:26:23,520 --> 02:26:25,500
um with their visitor direct intercept

3257
02:26:25,500 --> 02:26:27,840
information about quality of experience

3258
02:26:27,840 --> 02:26:30,899
what they're seeing now the the

3259
02:26:30,899 --> 02:26:32,819
pilot is over what's happening in

3260
02:26:32,819 --> 02:26:34,319
October they're turning people away on a

3261
02:26:34,319 --> 02:26:35,700
daily basis

3262
02:26:35,700 --> 02:26:38,580
um so those numbers from the Visa or

3263
02:26:38,580 --> 02:26:40,140
MasterCard

3264
02:26:40,140 --> 02:26:41,819
just Visa

3265
02:26:41,819 --> 02:26:43,560
so that represents about 60 of the

3266
02:26:43,560 --> 02:26:45,060
market

3267
02:26:45,060 --> 02:26:47,990
okay

3268
02:26:48,000 --> 02:26:52,200
so it's down from uh 2021 but we don't

3269
02:26:52,200 --> 02:26:55,740
have uh information on uh 2019 is that

3270
02:26:55,740 --> 02:26:58,800
what you said that's correct

3271
02:26:58,800 --> 02:27:00,420
we're looking for we're trying to we're

3272
02:27:00,420 --> 02:27:01,680
trying to work with visa to get that

3273
02:27:01,680 --> 02:27:04,680
data but we don't have it you just got

3274
02:27:04,680 --> 02:27:07,260
it we literally just got in August

3275
02:27:07,260 --> 02:27:10,439
like you just got the email right now

3276
02:27:10,439 --> 02:27:12,780
yesterday

3277
02:27:12,780 --> 02:27:15,600
all right well I Ben will send you an

3278
02:27:15,600 --> 02:27:17,939
update on these numbers at a later date

3279
02:27:17,939 --> 02:27:20,280
okay that thank you van I'd like to see

3280
02:27:20,280 --> 02:27:23,870
that

3281
02:27:23,880 --> 02:27:24,660
um

3282
02:27:24,660 --> 02:27:26,100
you know sorry we can't turn this around

3283
02:27:26,100 --> 02:27:29,929
in in 24 hours apologize

3284
02:27:29,939 --> 02:27:32,220
um let's take a look at this uh I'm

3285
02:27:32,220 --> 02:27:34,140
gonna see if I can share

3286
02:27:34,140 --> 02:27:38,270
I should be able to

3287
02:27:38,280 --> 02:27:40,380
share my

3288
02:27:40,380 --> 02:27:41,880
give me one second

3289
02:27:41,880 --> 02:27:46,670
I should be able to share my audio here

3290
02:27:46,680 --> 02:27:49,260
it might not let me

3291
02:27:49,260 --> 02:27:50,460
well I'll just show you a little bit of

3292
02:27:50,460 --> 02:27:52,500
the visual

3293
02:27:52,500 --> 02:27:54,060
um we worked with Mark Finley who we've

3294
02:27:54,060 --> 02:27:56,280
done a lot of video production work with

3295
02:27:56,280 --> 02:27:58,560
um who he partnered with science Moab

3296
02:27:58,560 --> 02:28:01,260
and other Dryland ecologists put

3297
02:28:01,260 --> 02:28:04,920
together on this really quite amazing

3298
02:28:04,920 --> 02:28:08,580
um video that highlights bio crust and

3299
02:28:08,580 --> 02:28:10,800
best practices and

3300
02:28:10,800 --> 02:28:12,540
he's got a new

3301
02:28:12,540 --> 02:28:14,280
um macro lens

3302
02:28:14,280 --> 02:28:16,560
um that gets really high quality up

3303
02:28:16,560 --> 02:28:17,399
close

3304
02:28:17,399 --> 02:28:20,399
content as you can see here

3305
02:28:20,399 --> 02:28:21,720
um so this is fully scientifically

3306
02:28:21,720 --> 02:28:23,580
accurate

3307
02:28:23,580 --> 02:28:26,520
um and you know it kind of the quality

3308
02:28:26,520 --> 02:28:28,500
to me feels like a Discovery Channel

3309
02:28:28,500 --> 02:28:29,760
piece

3310
02:28:29,760 --> 02:28:30,479
um

3311
02:28:30,479 --> 02:28:31,800
so

3312
02:28:31,800 --> 02:28:33,420
this is published this is live on our

3313
02:28:33,420 --> 02:28:34,740
website

3314
02:28:34,740 --> 02:28:37,319
um we haven't necessarily built out a

3315
02:28:37,319 --> 02:28:39,720
distribution strategy on this piece but

3316
02:28:39,720 --> 02:28:41,280
we think that this is going to be a

3317
02:28:41,280 --> 02:28:43,920
really important part of our

3318
02:28:43,920 --> 02:28:46,140
um you know visitor education campaigns

3319
02:28:46,140 --> 02:28:48,660
of the future we're imagining

3320
02:28:48,660 --> 02:28:49,319
um

3321
02:28:49,319 --> 02:28:52,200
a future web platform that you know we

3322
02:28:52,200 --> 02:28:55,319
drive our visitors to using paid media

3323
02:28:55,319 --> 02:28:56,580
um to kind of go through the Moab

3324
02:28:56,580 --> 02:28:58,020
Steward or whatever you call it

3325
02:28:58,020 --> 02:29:00,000
education campaign much like the

3326
02:29:00,000 --> 02:29:02,399
backcountry skiing Avalanche education

3327
02:29:02,399 --> 02:29:04,439
campaign kind of like you've got to do

3328
02:29:04,439 --> 02:29:07,260
this before you recreate in Moab

3329
02:29:07,260 --> 02:29:08,580
um and then shoot some really good

3330
02:29:08,580 --> 02:29:11,220
emotionally engaging content

3331
02:29:11,220 --> 02:29:13,800
um to get people to buy in and and see

3332
02:29:13,800 --> 02:29:15,660
that there is a need for an ethic when

3333
02:29:15,660 --> 02:29:17,520
you're visiting the area and then lower

3334
02:29:17,520 --> 02:29:19,020
in the funnel these kinds of detailed

3335
02:29:19,020 --> 02:29:20,580
videos

3336
02:29:20,580 --> 02:29:21,720
um we're also going to continue to work

3337
02:29:21,720 --> 02:29:24,060
with gcat to do

3338
02:29:24,060 --> 02:29:25,680
um that kind of content with our local

3339
02:29:25,680 --> 02:29:27,720
businesses and residents

3340
02:29:27,720 --> 02:29:29,460
um probably first before we go after

3341
02:29:29,460 --> 02:29:30,620
visitors

3342
02:29:30,620 --> 02:29:32,939
but please check this out when you got

3343
02:29:32,939 --> 02:29:37,429
some time it's it's really rad

3344
02:29:37,439 --> 02:29:40,200
uh okay let's pause here

3345
02:29:40,200 --> 02:29:43,460
another piece of visitor Education

3346
02:29:43,460 --> 02:29:46,979
website or where do we find

3347
02:29:46,979 --> 02:29:48,840
that I believe it is on the on the

3348
02:29:48,840 --> 02:29:50,880
Discover Moab website on the main page

3349
02:29:50,880 --> 02:29:53,460
there's a what's new section on the left

3350
02:29:53,460 --> 02:29:55,439
if you click that up there should be the

3351
02:29:55,439 --> 02:29:58,380
new biocrest video linked there

3352
02:29:58,380 --> 02:29:59,880
it's also on the Discover mob YouTube

3353
02:29:59,880 --> 02:30:02,220
page

3354
02:30:02,220 --> 02:30:03,780
um one of the things that was really

3355
02:30:03,780 --> 02:30:05,160
exciting this year you know there's been

3356
02:30:05,160 --> 02:30:07,979
a lot of talk about wag bags as the kind

3357
02:30:07,979 --> 02:30:12,180
of durger way to to manage human waste

3358
02:30:12,180 --> 02:30:14,340
in the backcountry in this area

3359
02:30:14,340 --> 02:30:15,720
um it was all over the paper is what

3360
02:30:15,720 --> 02:30:19,080
happens when that meets Municipal Waste

3361
02:30:19,080 --> 02:30:21,060
Disposal Systems

3362
02:30:21,060 --> 02:30:23,460
um and so in an effort to ensure that

3363
02:30:23,460 --> 02:30:25,439
safety workers are being taken care of

3364
02:30:25,439 --> 02:30:27,300
and we're able to protect the

3365
02:30:27,300 --> 02:30:29,120
backcountry as well we partnered with

3366
02:30:29,120 --> 02:30:31,920
the canyonland solid waste Special

3367
02:30:31,920 --> 02:30:34,979
Service District to put together a

3368
02:30:34,979 --> 02:30:36,960
handful of

3369
02:30:36,960 --> 02:30:37,800
um

3370
02:30:37,800 --> 02:30:40,080
they they put together the system I

3371
02:30:40,080 --> 02:30:41,700
should be totally clear about that we

3372
02:30:41,700 --> 02:30:43,140
just put together a page on our website

3373
02:30:43,140 --> 02:30:45,180
and worked with gcat to try to implement

3374
02:30:45,180 --> 02:30:48,780
some uh some news press releases what's

3375
02:30:48,780 --> 02:30:50,120
that what not but if you go to

3376
02:30:50,120 --> 02:30:53,280
discover.discover moab.com slash poop

3377
02:30:53,280 --> 02:30:55,819
you'll find this page that will link you

3378
02:30:55,819 --> 02:30:58,500
uh to where you can drop it off so you

3379
02:30:58,500 --> 02:31:02,340
can drop it off right now to Lions Park

3380
02:31:02,340 --> 02:31:04,680
um the wastewater treatment facility the

3381
02:31:04,680 --> 02:31:08,220
health department and the canland solid

3382
02:31:08,220 --> 02:31:10,140
waste facility

3383
02:31:10,140 --> 02:31:12,359
I found this useful recently because I

3384
02:31:12,359 --> 02:31:14,460
forgot where they were and checked it

3385
02:31:14,460 --> 02:31:15,720
out myself so

3386
02:31:15,720 --> 02:31:19,040
it worked they're still there

3387
02:31:19,040 --> 02:31:22,800
so how much those have been used

3388
02:31:22,800 --> 02:31:25,740
well I would have a sense of when I open

3389
02:31:25,740 --> 02:31:29,399
when I deposited one into the Health

3390
02:31:29,399 --> 02:31:31,020
Department's bin

3391
02:31:31,020 --> 02:31:33,720
uh the other day it was about half full

3392
02:31:33,720 --> 02:31:36,540
and that was on a Sunday

3393
02:31:36,540 --> 02:31:39,780
so dragging around a black bag August I

3394
02:31:39,780 --> 02:31:41,240
don't never mind

3395
02:31:41,240 --> 02:31:44,580
listen that was that was um that was a

3396
02:31:44,580 --> 02:31:45,960
pretty prompt

3397
02:31:45,960 --> 02:31:51,530
I was pretty prompt so I'll say that

3398
02:31:51,540 --> 02:31:53,880
um okay there's been much conversation

3399
02:31:53,880 --> 02:31:55,800
about updating the Billboards

3400
02:31:55,800 --> 02:31:57,720
um to kind of have this

3401
02:31:57,720 --> 02:31:59,340
uh you know please respect our

3402
02:31:59,340 --> 02:32:00,600
neighborhoods when you're visiting the

3403
02:32:00,600 --> 02:32:02,880
community your adventure starts and then

3404
02:32:02,880 --> 02:32:05,399
um kind of targeting uh motorized

3405
02:32:05,399 --> 02:32:07,080
vehicle traffic trying to get to

3406
02:32:07,080 --> 02:32:09,479
trailheads through neighborhoods

3407
02:32:09,479 --> 02:32:11,640
um we're working with an artist

3408
02:32:11,640 --> 02:32:12,720
um to kind of

3409
02:32:12,720 --> 02:32:14,700
make some modifications based off of

3410
02:32:14,700 --> 02:32:16,439
Maddie's sketch that we presented months

3411
02:32:16,439 --> 02:32:17,760
ago

3412
02:32:17,760 --> 02:32:21,180
um and uh once we have some kind of

3413
02:32:21,180 --> 02:32:23,160
sketches we'll have a meeting to get

3414
02:32:23,160 --> 02:32:24,960
some input on them

3415
02:32:24,960 --> 02:32:27,960
um one of the item agendas today is

3416
02:32:27,960 --> 02:32:29,580
renewing our contract not for this

3417
02:32:29,580 --> 02:32:31,080
billboard but the billboard south of

3418
02:32:31,080 --> 02:32:32,340
town

3419
02:32:32,340 --> 02:32:35,220
um just a heads up that we are actively

3420
02:32:35,220 --> 02:32:37,260
trying to update those what's on those

3421
02:32:37,260 --> 02:32:41,210
Billboards at the moment

3422
02:32:41,220 --> 02:32:43,020
any questions on visitor education

3423
02:32:43,020 --> 02:32:48,710
before I move to visitor services

3424
02:32:48,720 --> 02:32:51,000
okay I'm gonna keep rolling

3425
02:32:51,000 --> 02:32:54,060
so visitor Services captures a lot of

3426
02:32:54,060 --> 02:32:55,920
the work that we do

3427
02:32:55,920 --> 02:32:57,780
um to answer questions to provide

3428
02:32:57,780 --> 02:32:59,819
information to ensure that folks have

3429
02:32:59,819 --> 02:33:01,920
the best experience possible and get the

3430
02:33:01,920 --> 02:33:05,040
best information possible so we produce

3431
02:33:05,040 --> 02:33:06,540
Travel Planners we ship them all around

3432
02:33:06,540 --> 02:33:08,399
the world

3433
02:33:08,399 --> 02:33:13,500
um we make outdoor visitor guides for

3434
02:33:13,500 --> 02:33:15,240
um you know once you're in town it has

3435
02:33:15,240 --> 02:33:16,740
all of the trails that are basically not

3436
02:33:16,740 --> 02:33:18,359
in the national park so it's kind of a

3437
02:33:18,359 --> 02:33:21,600
dispersal effort as well

3438
02:33:21,600 --> 02:33:22,740
um and that's why we gave it out to

3439
02:33:22,740 --> 02:33:24,479
folks during timed entry because it had

3440
02:33:24,479 --> 02:33:27,000
non-park information Recreation

3441
02:33:27,000 --> 02:33:29,340
information we have a leads program that

3442
02:33:29,340 --> 02:33:30,660
distributes

3443
02:33:30,660 --> 02:33:33,180
that businesses can subscribe to and

3444
02:33:33,180 --> 02:33:35,399
basically purchase

3445
02:33:35,399 --> 02:33:38,220
um the the visitor information for those

3446
02:33:38,220 --> 02:33:39,180
who have signed up for the channel

3447
02:33:39,180 --> 02:33:42,479
Travel Planners and have opted in to uh

3448
02:33:42,479 --> 02:33:43,560
basically receiving marketing

3449
02:33:43,560 --> 02:33:46,020
information it's a very cost effective

3450
02:33:46,020 --> 02:33:47,460
way for our local businesses to take

3451
02:33:47,460 --> 02:33:49,500
advantage of our marketing efforts and

3452
02:33:49,500 --> 02:33:51,120
the leads that they produce

3453
02:33:51,120 --> 02:33:53,700
it's low cost it's not free and that

3454
02:33:53,700 --> 02:33:56,460
prevents too many like unlimited people

3455
02:33:56,460 --> 02:33:58,080
using it and and then ultimately

3456
02:33:58,080 --> 02:34:00,060
visitors getting like spammed in their

3457
02:34:00,060 --> 02:34:01,319
inbox

3458
02:34:01,319 --> 02:34:02,939
obviously discover my website we

3459
02:34:02,939 --> 02:34:04,859
continue to maintain and operate and

3460
02:34:04,859 --> 02:34:06,120
update

3461
02:34:06,120 --> 02:34:07,560
um and then Billboards besides those

3462
02:34:07,560 --> 02:34:10,800
ones in town also along the highway

3463
02:34:10,800 --> 02:34:13,380
um on 191 and 70. as well as answering

3464
02:34:13,380 --> 02:34:16,500
questions on the phone email and chat

3465
02:34:16,500 --> 02:34:18,359
a couple highlights

3466
02:34:18,359 --> 02:34:20,280
um showing off our lovely staff Robert

3467
02:34:20,280 --> 02:34:22,020
and Melissa

3468
02:34:22,020 --> 02:34:24,420
um we just updated and printed 75 000

3469
02:34:24,420 --> 02:34:26,280
copies of the mob outdoor adventure

3470
02:34:26,280 --> 02:34:27,780
Guide which will last us through next

3471
02:34:27,780 --> 02:34:29,939
year we distributed 12 000 Travel

3472
02:34:29,939 --> 02:34:32,160
Planners to Residents in all 50 U.S

3473
02:34:32,160 --> 02:34:34,439
states with California and Texas being

3474
02:34:34,439 --> 02:34:37,319
the leading requesting area as well as

3475
02:34:37,319 --> 02:34:39,720
Canada UK Germany France Italy Australia

3476
02:34:39,720 --> 02:34:42,720
Belgium Switzerland and Denmark

3477
02:34:42,720 --> 02:34:44,340
um the travel planner basically says

3478
02:34:44,340 --> 02:34:46,319
what is going on in Moab and what you

3479
02:34:46,319 --> 02:34:48,060
can do while you're here it's an

3480
02:34:48,060 --> 02:34:51,180
inspiration kind of piece

3481
02:34:51,180 --> 02:34:52,740
um as I mentioned before that leads

3482
02:34:52,740 --> 02:34:54,000
program

3483
02:34:54,000 --> 02:34:57,780
um is subscribed to by 20 businesses

3484
02:34:57,780 --> 02:35:00,240
and continues to grow answer thousands

3485
02:35:00,240 --> 02:35:01,800
of phone calls we answer the phone

3486
02:35:01,800 --> 02:35:03,960
through the mob information center

3487
02:35:03,960 --> 02:35:04,740
um

3488
02:35:04,740 --> 02:35:06,540
and as well as direct chat messages and

3489
02:35:06,540 --> 02:35:08,819
emails from our website

3490
02:35:08,819 --> 02:35:11,120
continue to work on discovermob.com

3491
02:35:11,120 --> 02:35:13,380
which has received up to 3 million

3492
02:35:13,380 --> 02:35:15,540
visitors in a year we're down from that

3493
02:35:15,540 --> 02:35:19,140
that's a 2019 High

3494
02:35:19,140 --> 02:35:22,200
um I mentioned the the online content

3495
02:35:22,200 --> 02:35:24,660
one one thing significant that happened

3496
02:35:24,660 --> 02:35:26,220
this year was

3497
02:35:26,220 --> 02:35:27,479
um damage that happened to the I-70

3498
02:35:27,479 --> 02:35:29,880
billboard which Robert LED on the repair

3499
02:35:29,880 --> 02:35:32,580
and Improvement of

3500
02:35:32,580 --> 02:35:35,460
um it looked like this at one point

3501
02:35:35,460 --> 02:35:37,800
um some big windstorms this spring you

3502
02:35:37,800 --> 02:35:39,780
know you saw all the way back to some

3503
02:35:39,780 --> 02:35:41,939
ancient advertising

3504
02:35:41,939 --> 02:35:45,000
um on that billboard here so fix that I

3505
02:35:45,000 --> 02:35:46,800
don't have an after photo but I'm sure

3506
02:35:46,800 --> 02:35:49,560
you've seen it on the highway

3507
02:35:49,560 --> 02:35:50,399
um

3508
02:35:50,399 --> 02:35:52,020
visitor attraction

3509
02:35:52,020 --> 02:35:53,700
is the next piece

3510
02:35:53,700 --> 02:35:54,899
um I kind of want to use this term

3511
02:35:54,899 --> 02:35:56,460
instead of marketing because there's so

3512
02:35:56,460 --> 02:35:58,080
many different ways that you can attract

3513
02:35:58,080 --> 02:36:01,020
visitors especially the ones that um

3514
02:36:01,020 --> 02:36:03,000
uh we feel our quality visitors to the

3515
02:36:03,000 --> 02:36:04,319
community

3516
02:36:04,319 --> 02:36:05,580
so I'm going to mention the drive Market

3517
02:36:05,580 --> 02:36:07,140
campaign and the Fly Market campaign

3518
02:36:07,140 --> 02:36:08,460
that we've been working on a lot this

3519
02:36:08,460 --> 02:36:10,020
fall

3520
02:36:10,020 --> 02:36:12,240
um as well as just a quick overview of

3521
02:36:12,240 --> 02:36:14,280
the creative for anybody who hasn't seen

3522
02:36:14,280 --> 02:36:15,479
it yet

3523
02:36:15,479 --> 02:36:17,819
some travel trade work that Melissa has

3524
02:36:17,819 --> 02:36:19,620
done as well as International Market

3525
02:36:19,620 --> 02:36:22,140
development and some Fan Tours

3526
02:36:22,140 --> 02:36:25,260
so the drive Market campaign is

3527
02:36:25,260 --> 02:36:27,540
officially in Market as you can see over

3528
02:36:27,540 --> 02:36:29,460
here October 17th is the launch date

3529
02:36:29,460 --> 02:36:32,040
that was yesterday

3530
02:36:32,040 --> 02:36:34,319
um so you know we've gone through a

3531
02:36:34,319 --> 02:36:35,580
process

3532
02:36:35,580 --> 02:36:36,600
um that we feel has been fairly

3533
02:36:36,600 --> 02:36:38,040
transparent with the commission and our

3534
02:36:38,040 --> 02:36:40,680
boards um to ensure that the creative

3535
02:36:40,680 --> 02:36:43,200
really fits the new direction that we

3536
02:36:43,200 --> 02:36:45,600
want it to go towards even though we

3537
02:36:45,600 --> 02:36:46,800
haven't gone through a new branding

3538
02:36:46,800 --> 02:36:49,080
process or a whole

3539
02:36:49,080 --> 02:36:51,420
uh you know new process

3540
02:36:51,420 --> 02:36:52,620
um

3541
02:36:52,620 --> 02:36:54,780
let's see if this will load

3542
02:36:54,780 --> 02:36:56,819
I'm just going to skim through this for

3543
02:36:56,819 --> 02:36:58,920
those who haven't seen it

3544
02:36:58,920 --> 02:37:05,630
pardon my tabs

3545
02:37:05,640 --> 02:37:10,250
can everybody see the presentation here

3546
02:37:10,260 --> 02:37:11,880
yep okay so this is from love

3547
02:37:11,880 --> 02:37:14,100
Communications

3548
02:37:14,100 --> 02:37:16,140
um I'm just going to quickly scan to

3549
02:37:16,140 --> 02:37:18,240
some of the highlights here the

3550
02:37:18,240 --> 02:37:21,600
objectives here really were to increase visitation to Moab among

3551
02:37:21,600 --> 02:37:23,340
responsible and conscientious Travelers

3552
02:37:23,340 --> 02:37:25,620
inspire a sense of curiosity among

3553
02:37:25,620 --> 02:37:27,720
visitors and desire to learn more about

3554
02:37:27,720 --> 02:37:30,000
mobs ecology history and culture and to

3555
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:31,200
encourage off-season travel which

3556
02:37:31,200 --> 02:37:32,760
benefits local stakeholders and also

3557
02:37:32,760 --> 02:37:35,460
improves The Traveler experience

3558
02:37:35,460 --> 02:37:37,260
um so I'm gonna I guess I guess this is

3559
02:37:37,260 --> 02:37:38,880
an important part too really should

3560
02:37:38,880 --> 02:37:41,340
include imagery and language that evokes

3561
02:37:41,340 --> 02:37:43,140
love and admiration for the land and a

3562
02:37:43,140 --> 02:37:44,819
nod to moab's Natural historical and

3563
02:37:44,819 --> 02:37:46,979
cultural resources and portrayal of the

3564
02:37:46,979 --> 02:37:48,660
landscape is a National Treasure rather

3565
02:37:48,660 --> 02:37:50,340
than a playground

3566
02:37:50,340 --> 02:37:54,319
so if we look there's kind of three main

3567
02:37:54,319 --> 02:37:57,000
sub pieces here so there's the Nature's

3568
02:37:57,000 --> 02:37:58,800
Masterpiece

3569
02:37:58,800 --> 02:38:01,500
um copy reading you know Moab for famous

3570
02:38:01,500 --> 02:38:03,359
landmarks national parks which you might

3571
02:38:03,359 --> 02:38:05,100
not know is how much is still waiting to

3572
02:38:05,100 --> 02:38:06,120
be discovered if you're willing to

3573
02:38:06,120 --> 02:38:08,040
broaden your horizons on your next trip

3574
02:38:08,040 --> 02:38:09,359
make time to seek out destinations

3575
02:38:09,359 --> 02:38:11,280
experiences beyond your usual go-to's

3576
02:38:11,280 --> 02:38:12,780
you might have found in a new place or

3577
02:38:12,780 --> 02:38:14,399
an entirely New Perspective learn how to

3578
02:38:14,399 --> 02:38:17,479
visit responsibly at discoverlive.com

3579
02:38:17,479 --> 02:38:19,560
same idea

3580
02:38:19,560 --> 02:38:21,780
then this desert Treasures piece that

3581
02:38:21,780 --> 02:38:23,399
kind of is a kind of a different take

3582
02:38:23,399 --> 02:38:25,380
not this Outdoor Adventure piece but

3583
02:38:25,380 --> 02:38:26,819
more of what are our cultural and

3584
02:38:26,819 --> 02:38:29,520
historical resources this is uh The

3585
02:38:29,520 --> 02:38:32,160
Grotto from the Music Fest

3586
02:38:32,160 --> 02:38:33,479
if you think mob is a place to

3587
02:38:33,479 --> 02:38:34,920
recuperate between adrenaline rushes

3588
02:38:34,920 --> 02:38:36,960
think again with a variety of museums

3589
02:38:36,960 --> 02:38:38,460
Galleries and theaters plus arts and

3590
02:38:38,460 --> 02:38:39,960
music festivals happening almost year

3591
02:38:39,960 --> 02:38:41,640
round we've never we're never short on

3592
02:38:41,640 --> 02:38:43,740
inspiration for Modern Art and Cuisine

3593
02:38:43,740 --> 02:38:45,359
to ancient history and culture it'll be

3594
02:38:45,359 --> 02:38:46,920
amazing you'll be amazed at what's

3595
02:38:46,920 --> 02:38:49,080
waiting to be discovered

3596
02:38:49,080 --> 02:38:51,420
different treatments

3597
02:38:51,420 --> 02:38:53,040
and then lastly was this place for

3598
02:38:53,040 --> 02:38:54,780
reflection

3599
02:38:54,780 --> 02:38:57,170
um

3600
02:38:57,180 --> 02:38:58,439
uh

3601
02:38:58,439 --> 02:39:01,680
so you know this is focused on we talked

3602
02:39:01,680 --> 02:39:03,420
a lot about things like ephemeral we

3603
02:39:03,420 --> 02:39:05,700
call it ephemeral pothole ecology and

3604
02:39:05,700 --> 02:39:07,380
bio crust and these other things that

3605
02:39:07,380 --> 02:39:10,200
are you know uh kind of leading with a

3606
02:39:10,200 --> 02:39:12,600
like an invitation of curiosity if you

3607
02:39:12,600 --> 02:39:14,340
come with curiosity then you're going to

3608
02:39:14,340 --> 02:39:15,540
learn more about your experience here

3609
02:39:15,540 --> 02:39:17,040
and you're probably going to be more

3610
02:39:17,040 --> 02:39:19,319
respectful along the way

3611
02:39:19,319 --> 02:39:20,700
um even in the most this unassuming

3612
02:39:20,700 --> 02:39:22,260
little desert pothole is home to a whole

3613
02:39:22,260 --> 02:39:23,819
host of creatures each is unique and

3614
02:39:23,819 --> 02:39:25,260
beautiful as a landscape that surrounds

3615
02:39:25,260 --> 02:39:27,000
them next time when you're in Moab take

3616
02:39:27,000 --> 02:39:28,560
a moment to pause your adventures and

3617
02:39:28,560 --> 02:39:30,180
Ponder the intricacies of the ecosystem

3618
02:39:30,180 --> 02:39:31,920
that so many people Miss there's always

3619
02:39:31,920 --> 02:39:33,359
more to discover if you look a little

3620
02:39:33,359 --> 02:39:35,460
closer learn how to visit responsibly at

3621
02:39:35,460 --> 02:39:38,220
discovermodab.com

3622
02:39:38,220 --> 02:39:39,660
um

3623
02:39:39,660 --> 02:39:42,600
same treatments on billboards

3624
02:39:42,600 --> 02:39:44,460
I like these ones this they've got the

3625
02:39:44,460 --> 02:39:46,920
little fairy shrimp here

3626
02:39:46,920 --> 02:39:48,420
um kind of a surprise not something that

3627
02:39:48,420 --> 02:39:50,460
we're known for by the average person

3628
02:39:50,460 --> 02:39:52,620
but kind of asking a different kind of

3629
02:39:52,620 --> 02:39:54,660
curiosity some indigenous cultural

3630
02:39:54,660 --> 02:39:59,090
resources here done on potash Road

3631
02:39:59,100 --> 02:40:01,500
um the social media is really where some

3632
02:40:01,500 --> 02:40:04,200
of the the more explicit um kind of

3633
02:40:04,200 --> 02:40:07,920
responsible Recreation tasks come in

3634
02:40:07,920 --> 02:40:10,020
um I really like this piece even the

3635
02:40:10,020 --> 02:40:11,520
most unassuming desert potholes or home

3636
02:40:11,520 --> 02:40:12,899
to creatures as unique as our landscape

3637
02:40:12,899 --> 02:40:15,420
the deserts and the details is it

3638
02:40:15,420 --> 02:40:17,520
responsibly

3639
02:40:17,520 --> 02:40:19,200
um most people it just looks like dirt

3640
02:40:19,200 --> 02:40:20,640
to the desert it's a critical part about

3641
02:40:20,640 --> 02:40:22,920
the ecosystem don't bust the crust

3642
02:40:22,920 --> 02:40:24,300
um so we've asked them to expand this

3643
02:40:24,300 --> 02:40:26,040
type of social media posts that are more

3644
02:40:26,040 --> 02:40:28,200
kind of call to action oriented about a

3645
02:40:28,200 --> 02:40:30,240
specific piece you know and then this

3646
02:40:30,240 --> 02:40:31,680
will link to the new video that we've

3647
02:40:31,680 --> 02:40:33,660
created

3648
02:40:33,660 --> 02:40:36,120
same idea here desert biocrest can take

3649
02:40:36,120 --> 02:40:37,620
hundreds of years to recover from even a

3650
02:40:37,620 --> 02:40:39,120
single footprint or tire track see on

3651
02:40:39,120 --> 02:40:41,870
the trail

3652
02:40:41,880 --> 02:40:44,090
um

3653
02:40:44,100 --> 02:40:46,080
I'm not going to spend too much time on

3654
02:40:46,080 --> 02:40:47,760
this this is what it looks like on the

3655
02:40:47,760 --> 02:40:50,330
web

3656
02:40:50,340 --> 02:40:52,020
TripAdvisor

3657
02:40:52,020 --> 02:40:54,479
and then they did a video piece

3658
02:40:54,479 --> 02:40:58,010
um

3659
02:40:58,020 --> 02:41:01,020
okay that's that's that

3660
02:41:01,020 --> 02:41:01,920
um

3661
02:41:01,920 --> 02:41:04,260
let's see any questions

3662
02:41:04,260 --> 02:41:06,840
on

3663
02:41:06,840 --> 02:41:09,780
the creative or the marketing that we're

3664
02:41:09,780 --> 02:41:11,040
launching right now for the drives

3665
02:41:11,040 --> 02:41:13,560
campaign at the moment I think we've

3666
02:41:13,560 --> 02:41:16,859
talked about this a lot so far this fall

3667
02:41:16,859 --> 02:41:18,420
yeah thanks August it looks good and

3668
02:41:18,420 --> 02:41:21,540
that's a very thorough presentation

3669
02:41:21,540 --> 02:41:22,680
okay

3670
02:41:22,680 --> 02:41:24,600
I'm Gonna Keep crushing and try to not

3671
02:41:24,600 --> 02:41:26,520
take too much time here we've got the

3672
02:41:26,520 --> 02:41:28,740
fly Campaign which is also approved

3673
02:41:28,740 --> 02:41:30,180
um it's going to start this fall and run

3674
02:41:30,180 --> 02:41:32,040
through the spring

3675
02:41:32,040 --> 02:41:35,340
so from the budget perspective how much

3676
02:41:35,340 --> 02:41:37,140
do you predict how much longer do you

3677
02:41:37,140 --> 02:41:39,000
think you have like out of the 60 slides

3678
02:41:39,000 --> 02:41:40,700
how many have you done

3679
02:41:40,700 --> 02:41:45,720
good question let's see we're at 36. 20.

3680
02:41:45,720 --> 02:41:48,060
it's been 20 minutes so far

3681
02:41:48,060 --> 02:41:50,520
okay you don't have to do every slide or

3682
02:41:50,520 --> 02:41:52,500
there's maybe special important ones

3683
02:41:52,500 --> 02:41:54,240
okay I'll go really fast you ready

3684
02:41:54,240 --> 02:41:58,550
Melissa did a lot of travel trade shows

3685
02:41:58,560 --> 02:42:03,830
you can cut me off

3686
02:42:03,840 --> 02:42:05,460
um maybe yeah

3687
02:42:05,460 --> 02:42:06,540
it highlights maybe and you could you

3688
02:42:06,540 --> 02:42:07,859
could always email us the presentation

3689
02:42:07,859 --> 02:42:10,740
yeah it'd be great okay I'm gonna go

3690
02:42:10,740 --> 02:42:11,700
really fast

3691
02:42:11,700 --> 02:42:13,740
Melissa visited a lot of travel shows he

3692
02:42:13,740 --> 02:42:15,359
went to seven um National and five

3693
02:42:15,359 --> 02:42:18,600
international trade shows in 2022. uh we

3694
02:42:18,600 --> 02:42:20,880
went up to tourism down the hill doing a

3695
02:42:20,880 --> 02:42:22,500
lot of relationship building with the

3696
02:42:22,500 --> 02:42:24,000
state

3697
02:42:24,000 --> 02:42:26,220
um basically Melissa's doing a good job

3698
02:42:26,220 --> 02:42:28,560
I'm not going to go too much we did a

3699
02:42:28,560 --> 02:42:30,300
campaign internationally and a co-op

3700
02:42:30,300 --> 02:42:32,420
with a bunch of other National Park dmos

3701
02:42:32,420 --> 02:42:36,359
Germany in terms of film because doing a

3702
02:42:36,359 --> 02:42:38,280
great job with the Costner movie and

3703
02:42:38,280 --> 02:42:40,920
several other things in the area to help

3704
02:42:40,920 --> 02:42:43,020
get that real film incentive to to go

3705
02:42:43,020 --> 02:42:46,140
forward on doing community events free

3706
02:42:46,140 --> 02:42:49,620
movie in the in the in in the Parks she

3707
02:42:49,620 --> 02:42:51,780
got her uh certified film commissioner

3708
02:42:51,780 --> 02:42:52,800
status

3709
02:42:52,800 --> 02:42:55,200
under the wild weird wacky westerns

3710
02:42:55,200 --> 02:42:56,880
movie

3711
02:42:56,880 --> 02:42:57,540
um

3712
02:42:57,540 --> 02:43:00,060
fun little piece of here we got we got

3713
02:43:00,060 --> 02:43:01,740
Costner

3714
02:43:01,740 --> 02:43:03,720
um Business Services Ben's done an

3715
02:43:03,720 --> 02:43:05,280
amazing job you know what he's done I'll

3716
02:43:05,280 --> 02:43:07,020
skip through this the Canyonlands

3717
02:43:07,020 --> 02:43:08,520
business Summit

3718
02:43:08,520 --> 02:43:12,479
um sorry Ben we got 30 businesses public

3719
02:43:12,479 --> 02:43:14,220
agencies and non-profits across both

3720
02:43:14,220 --> 02:43:17,880
counties and 150 attendees

3721
02:43:17,880 --> 02:43:19,380
um it was really great we're going to do

3722
02:43:19,380 --> 02:43:22,560
it again in some form in February and we

3723
02:43:22,560 --> 02:43:25,260
had 20 or so sponsors raising a little

3724
02:43:25,260 --> 02:43:26,819
under 10 grand

3725
02:43:26,819 --> 02:43:29,520
uh this is what people wanted

3726
02:43:29,520 --> 02:43:33,110
lots of good information

3727
02:43:33,120 --> 02:43:34,080
um I'm gonna skip ahead of this because

3728
02:43:34,080 --> 02:43:35,580
I think grants is more interesting but

3729
02:43:35,580 --> 02:43:37,080
basically we have some good information

3730
02:43:37,080 --> 02:43:38,640
we're going to keep the business Summit

3731
02:43:38,640 --> 02:43:40,439
rolling in the future and it'll be a

3732
02:43:40,439 --> 02:43:41,700
good opportunity to share what we're

3733
02:43:41,700 --> 02:43:43,439
doing as an office

3734
02:43:43,439 --> 02:43:45,720
it was a good time

3735
02:43:45,720 --> 02:43:49,979
um tourism Grant we awarded 30 grand on

3736
02:43:49,979 --> 02:43:53,880
out of 50 Grand eight applicants

3737
02:43:53,880 --> 02:43:55,680
seven awardees

3738
02:43:55,680 --> 02:43:58,380
uh these were the awardees

3739
02:43:58,380 --> 02:44:00,540
the start business grant about a million

3740
02:44:00,540 --> 02:44:04,319
dollars in uh funding 49 applicants a

3741
02:44:04,319 --> 02:44:06,840
little under 3 million requests

3742
02:44:06,840 --> 02:44:09,830
um

3743
02:44:09,840 --> 02:44:13,140
your awardee projects

3744
02:44:13,140 --> 02:44:14,760
14 proposed construction and

3745
02:44:14,760 --> 02:44:16,260
infrastructure modification six Pro

3746
02:44:16,260 --> 02:44:18,300
Sports Workforce housing help propose a

3747
02:44:18,300 --> 02:44:21,240
new hire 28 proposed local operation

3748
02:44:21,240 --> 02:44:23,760
great numbers from Ben

3749
02:44:23,760 --> 02:44:27,420
um we will be on awarding well the

3750
02:44:27,420 --> 02:44:29,100
commission will be considering awarding

3751
02:44:29,100 --> 02:44:32,640
the first round of those awards today

3752
02:44:32,640 --> 02:44:35,460
in terms of the flood relief grants we

3753
02:44:35,460 --> 02:44:37,859
have process we uh can't hear you August

3754
02:44:37,859 --> 02:44:40,920
oh last year

3755
02:44:40,920 --> 02:44:43,849
how about now

3756
02:44:43,859 --> 02:44:46,910
can you hear me now

3757
02:44:46,920 --> 02:44:49,910
how about now

3758
02:44:49,920 --> 02:44:52,800
you're at home August but not there I

3759
02:44:52,800 --> 02:44:54,960
guess oh you think they froze

3760
02:44:54,960 --> 02:44:56,520
yeah I think there's something going on

3761
02:44:56,520 --> 02:44:59,040
in the commission room okay noodle

3762
02:44:59,040 --> 02:45:32,750
thanks Ben

3763
02:45:32,760 --> 02:45:54,950
foreign

3764
02:45:54,960 --> 02:46:54,889
but

3765
02:46:54,899 --> 02:47:34,929
foreign

3766
02:47:34,939 --> 02:47:36,840
I'm sure you're getting the same message

3767
02:47:36,840 --> 02:47:39,000
as August but I'm being told internet's

3768
02:47:39,000 --> 02:47:41,460
totally down in the chambers

3769
02:47:41,460 --> 02:47:43,200
I can see him now

3770
02:47:43,200 --> 02:47:59,870
okay done

3771
02:47:59,880 --> 02:48:13,750
20 years

3772
02:48:13,760 --> 02:48:23,530
and you hear me I can hear you now

3773
02:48:23,540 --> 02:48:26,700
can you see my screen still yes we can

3774
02:48:26,700 --> 02:48:29,460
still see yours screen all right I'm

3775
02:48:29,460 --> 02:48:35,270
just gonna keep cranking then

3776
02:48:35,280 --> 02:48:42,469
should I continue

3777
02:48:42,479 --> 02:48:45,720
so just last couple programs here

3778
02:48:45,720 --> 02:48:47,340
um the flood relief grant program we

3779
02:48:47,340 --> 02:48:49,500
received 29 applications for requests

3780
02:48:49,500 --> 02:48:50,880
totaling about a little under four

3781
02:48:50,880 --> 02:48:52,859
hundred thousand dollars for total

3782
02:48:52,859 --> 02:48:54,780
claims damage is over two million

3783
02:48:54,780 --> 02:48:56,340
dollars

3784
02:48:56,340 --> 02:48:59,160
um awarded 24 for a total of two hundred

3785
02:48:59,160 --> 02:49:00,420
and thirteen thousand three hundred

3786
02:49:00,420 --> 02:49:02,340
thirty one dollars five Max rewards for

3787
02:49:02,340 --> 02:49:05,100
20 grand these are the folks that were

3788
02:49:05,100 --> 02:49:07,260
awarded

3789
02:49:07,260 --> 02:49:08,939
um and then the special event Grant was

3790
02:49:08,939 --> 02:49:10,560
awarded this year

3791
02:49:10,560 --> 02:49:12,240
um to The Folk Festival for last and

3792
02:49:12,240 --> 02:49:13,800
this year the free concert series this

3793
02:49:13,800 --> 02:49:15,359
year the endurance Canyon ride and the

3794
02:49:15,359 --> 02:49:16,800
powwow

3795
02:49:16,800 --> 02:49:18,740
and I think that's it

3796
02:49:18,740 --> 02:49:22,200
all right awesome thanks August sorry

3797
02:49:22,200 --> 02:49:23,460
about the interruption any quick

3798
02:49:23,460 --> 02:49:25,979
questions for August

3799
02:49:25,979 --> 02:49:28,620
would you email us the presentation

3800
02:49:28,620 --> 02:49:30,840
sure certainly yeah that'd be great

3801
02:49:30,840 --> 02:49:31,979
thank you

3802
02:49:31,979 --> 02:49:34,140
uh thanks for your patience y'all it's

3803
02:49:34,140 --> 02:49:36,120
hard to fit everything into

3804
02:49:36,120 --> 02:49:38,700
15 minutes you're doing a ton of good

3805
02:49:38,700 --> 02:49:40,920
work man thank you hey

3806
02:49:40,920 --> 02:49:43,680
all right see you in a minute

3807
02:49:43,680 --> 02:49:46,500
we will move on to our presentations and

3808
02:49:46,500 --> 02:49:48,359
our first presentation will be our audit

3809
02:49:48,359 --> 02:49:50,880
presentation with John hatterly from

3810
02:49:50,880 --> 02:49:56,330
Larson and Cove

3811
02:49:56,340 --> 02:49:58,319
John okay if you know oh you're John

3812
02:49:58,319 --> 02:50:00,060
yeah

3813
02:50:00,060 --> 02:50:19,070
please thanks John

3814
02:50:19,080 --> 02:50:20,540
no

3815
02:50:20,540 --> 02:50:24,359
we've got the coffee too okay

3816
02:50:24,359 --> 02:50:26,880
it just came out it just came up on

3817
02:50:26,880 --> 02:50:29,510
email

3818
02:50:29,520 --> 02:50:30,120
um

3819
02:50:30,120 --> 02:50:31,620
so sorry we're going to pull that up

3820
02:50:31,620 --> 02:50:33,000
I'll start with the auto report so

3821
02:50:33,000 --> 02:50:35,819
that's the big copy

3822
02:50:35,819 --> 02:50:41,050
I love that you can see how big it is

3823
02:50:41,060 --> 02:50:44,100
okay or if you'd like to stand there's

3824
02:50:44,100 --> 02:50:47,040
the uh yeah I can see it it's all right

3825
02:50:47,040 --> 02:50:50,460
I've just been sitting all day today

3826
02:50:50,460 --> 02:50:51,720
um

3827
02:50:51,720 --> 02:50:53,280
so you'll you'll notice that the auto

3828
02:50:53,280 --> 02:50:55,200
reports changed for last year it's not

3829
02:50:55,200 --> 02:50:56,640
because you changed Auditors like the

3830
02:50:56,640 --> 02:51:00,300
audit report actually changed Nationwide

3831
02:51:00,300 --> 02:51:02,880
um now they've kind of restructured

3832
02:51:02,880 --> 02:51:04,080
things they've added some things that

3833
02:51:04,080 --> 02:51:05,520
were required to communicate as part of

3834
02:51:05,520 --> 02:51:07,500
the auto report which uh just I'll just

3835
02:51:07,500 --> 02:51:09,000
go over those real quick the first

3836
02:51:09,000 --> 02:51:10,979
section is now the opinion

3837
02:51:10,979 --> 02:51:13,140
um the opinion used to fall later on in

3838
02:51:13,140 --> 02:51:17,460
the report but everybody wanted to know the opinion first

3839
02:51:17,460 --> 02:51:18,899
um the opinion on the financial

3840
02:51:18,899 --> 02:51:21,479
statements this year is an unmodified or

3841
02:51:21,479 --> 02:51:24,180
uh unqualified opinion that's a clean

3842
02:51:24,180 --> 02:51:26,580
opinion in my world

3843
02:51:26,580 --> 02:51:27,359
um

3844
02:51:27,359 --> 02:51:30,540
last year you had a qualified opinion

3845
02:51:30,540 --> 02:51:32,280
um and that was due to some of the

3846
02:51:32,280 --> 02:51:34,439
component units

3847
02:51:34,439 --> 02:51:36,660
um because they weren't tested uh but I

3848
02:51:36,660 --> 02:51:39,899
had my team actually test some of their

3849
02:51:39,899 --> 02:51:42,000
balances at those component units so

3850
02:51:42,000 --> 02:51:43,560
that we could get comfortable with those

3851
02:51:43,560 --> 02:51:45,180
balances so then we we didn't have to

3852
02:51:45,180 --> 02:51:47,520
qualify your opinion so we did a few

3853
02:51:47,520 --> 02:51:49,859
extra procedures in order to get rid of

3854
02:51:49,859 --> 02:51:52,080
your qualified opinion

3855
02:51:52,080 --> 02:51:53,939
um

3856
02:51:53,939 --> 02:51:57,240
so clean opinion our basis for opinions

3857
02:51:57,240 --> 02:52:00,240
so we follow certain standards and those

3858
02:52:00,240 --> 02:52:03,060
are the general generally accepted

3859
02:52:03,060 --> 02:52:06,479
auditing standards as well as gaap which

3860
02:52:06,479 --> 02:52:09,420
is accounting principles and government

3861
02:52:09,420 --> 02:52:11,880
auditing standards so those are kind of

3862
02:52:11,880 --> 02:52:13,740
the guidelines that we have to follow

3863
02:52:13,740 --> 02:52:15,120
there's a lot of things that we do

3864
02:52:15,120 --> 02:52:17,160
behind the scenes besides just looking

3865
02:52:17,160 --> 02:52:19,319
at your financial statements a lot of

3866
02:52:19,319 --> 02:52:20,640
documents that we have to fill out as

3867
02:52:20,640 --> 02:52:22,500
part of the audit

3868
02:52:22,500 --> 02:52:23,640
um

3869
02:52:23,640 --> 02:52:26,279
you can see there that we didn't audit

3870
02:52:26,279 --> 02:52:28,620
um the Canyonlands

3871
02:52:28,620 --> 02:52:30,420
um Grand County Recreation solid way

3872
02:52:30,420 --> 02:52:32,359
Special Service District and the EMS

3873
02:52:32,359 --> 02:52:34,859
those were actually audited by other

3874
02:52:34,859 --> 02:52:37,380
Auditors and we just get there on a

3875
02:52:37,380 --> 02:52:39,420
report and in our opinion kind of relies

3876
02:52:39,420 --> 02:52:41,340
on their opinion as far as those

3877
02:52:41,340 --> 02:52:43,859
entities go but the other ones that

3878
02:52:43,859 --> 02:52:46,740
typically don't receive an audit

3879
02:52:46,740 --> 02:52:48,720
um that is the reason why you got a

3880
02:52:48,720 --> 02:52:50,460
qualified opinion last year are the ones

3881
02:52:50,460 --> 02:52:52,979
that we actually did procedures on and

3882
02:52:52,979 --> 02:52:54,540
we just so we just did that as part of

3883
02:52:54,540 --> 02:52:57,720
the financial statement for the county

3884
02:52:57,720 --> 02:52:59,640
um your responsibility for the financial

3885
02:52:59,640 --> 02:53:01,080
statements

3886
02:53:01,080 --> 02:53:02,819
um really is to know and understand

3887
02:53:02,819 --> 02:53:06,180
accounting principles know how to put

3888
02:53:06,180 --> 02:53:07,439
together a set of financial statements

3889
02:53:07,439 --> 02:53:08,880
know how to know how to record the

3890
02:53:08,880 --> 02:53:10,920
transactions in the books

3891
02:53:10,920 --> 02:53:13,800
um our job is to audit those

3892
02:53:13,800 --> 02:53:15,420
transactions

3893
02:53:15,420 --> 02:53:16,800
um

3894
02:53:16,800 --> 02:53:17,939
one of the new things that we're

3895
02:53:17,939 --> 02:53:20,160
required to communicate to you this year

3896
02:53:20,160 --> 02:53:23,520
is if well putting together your

3897
02:53:23,520 --> 02:53:25,920
financial statements or reviewing

3898
02:53:25,920 --> 02:53:28,500
transactions during the year if issues

3899
02:53:28,500 --> 02:53:30,899
come up where there's a question about

3900
02:53:30,899 --> 02:53:32,520
your ability to continue as a going

3901
02:53:32,520 --> 02:53:35,520
concern within the next year you're

3902
02:53:35,520 --> 02:53:39,420
required to do an analysis on what's the

3903
02:53:39,420 --> 02:53:41,819
issue is it an overcomeable issue how

3904
02:53:41,819 --> 02:53:43,319
are we going to overcome it and then

3905
02:53:43,319 --> 02:53:44,660
form a game plan

3906
02:53:44,660 --> 02:53:47,100
for example if something happened

3907
02:53:47,100 --> 02:53:48,600
everybody loses their jobs nobody wants

3908
02:53:48,600 --> 02:53:50,700
to pay their property tax that's a huge

3909
02:53:50,700 --> 02:53:52,859
source of revenue for the county if you

3910
02:53:52,859 --> 02:53:55,380
don't have that can you overcome that

3911
02:53:55,380 --> 02:53:57,000
and continue to operate as a county

3912
02:53:57,000 --> 02:53:58,439
paying all the expenditures that you're

3913
02:53:58,439 --> 02:54:00,660
required to pay or do you have to come

3914
02:54:00,660 --> 02:54:03,060
out go out and get some other you know

3915
02:54:03,060 --> 02:54:04,979
funding to be able to cover that so

3916
02:54:04,979 --> 02:54:06,720
that's the analysis that you have to do

3917
02:54:06,720 --> 02:54:08,340
internally

3918
02:54:08,340 --> 02:54:10,319
um our responsibility like I said is

3919
02:54:10,319 --> 02:54:12,359
we're required to

3920
02:54:12,359 --> 02:54:15,060
audit your financial statements

3921
02:54:15,060 --> 02:54:17,640
um we look for material misstatements

3922
02:54:17,640 --> 02:54:19,680
within the financial statements and all

3923
02:54:19,680 --> 02:54:21,359
of our audits are risk-based so we

3924
02:54:21,359 --> 02:54:24,420
identify risks that are contained in the

3925
02:54:24,420 --> 02:54:26,460
financial statements and we'll talk a

3926
02:54:26,460 --> 02:54:28,859
little bit about those

3927
02:54:28,859 --> 02:54:30,420
um

3928
02:54:30,420 --> 02:54:33,300
we also look at your internal control

3929
02:54:33,300 --> 02:54:36,240
um on the next page this is a is also a

3930
02:54:36,240 --> 02:54:38,160
new section of the auto report so you

3931
02:54:38,160 --> 02:54:40,560
can see the bullet points there uh this

3932
02:54:40,560 --> 02:54:42,120
is these are I've always been part of

3933
02:54:42,120 --> 02:54:44,580
our engagements but now we're required

3934
02:54:44,580 --> 02:54:47,520
to report on them in the auto report the

3935
02:54:47,520 --> 02:54:48,779
first is we just have to exercise

3936
02:54:48,779 --> 02:54:51,180
professional judgment and professional

3937
02:54:51,180 --> 02:54:54,120
skepticism we're not coming in accusing

3938
02:54:54,120 --> 02:54:56,520
you of doing anything wrong my opinion

3939
02:54:56,520 --> 02:54:57,899
is most people in the world want to do

3940
02:54:57,899 --> 02:54:59,100
what's right and they try to do what's

3941
02:54:59,100 --> 02:55:01,620
right and they try to do a good job but

3942
02:55:01,620 --> 02:55:04,500
we have to trust but verify so you know

3943
02:55:04,500 --> 02:55:07,020
our audit is not to come in accusatory

3944
02:55:07,020 --> 02:55:08,520
we want to help you guys get better we

3945
02:55:08,520 --> 02:55:10,200
want to help you you know do things the

3946
02:55:10,200 --> 02:55:11,399
right way

3947
02:55:11,399 --> 02:55:14,279
um but professional skepticism is you

3948
02:55:14,279 --> 02:55:15,960
know we we do have to question things

3949
02:55:15,960 --> 02:55:18,000
and when things come up

3950
02:55:18,000 --> 02:55:19,979
um you know and your staff are awesome

3951
02:55:19,979 --> 02:55:22,800
any questions that my team asked

3952
02:55:22,800 --> 02:55:24,899
um we had responses immediately

3953
02:55:24,899 --> 02:55:26,160
um if there were questions you know they

3954
02:55:26,160 --> 02:55:27,240
went and looked looked up the

3955
02:55:27,240 --> 02:55:28,500
information and we were able to get the

3956
02:55:28,500 --> 02:55:29,640
information

3957
02:55:29,640 --> 02:55:32,990
um so I really appreciate that

3958
02:55:33,000 --> 02:55:34,800
um like I said we have to identify the

3959
02:55:34,800 --> 02:55:36,840
risk of material misstatement we have to

3960
02:55:36,840 --> 02:55:39,060
look at your internal control uh we do

3961
02:55:39,060 --> 02:55:40,439
not give an opinion on your internal

3962
02:55:40,439 --> 02:55:42,479
control but but

3963
02:55:42,479 --> 02:55:45,420
um we do look at it your controls to

3964
02:55:45,420 --> 02:55:47,819
make sure a that they actually exist and

3965
02:55:47,819 --> 02:55:49,800
B that they're functioning

3966
02:55:49,800 --> 02:55:51,600
um if you don't have any operating

3967
02:55:51,600 --> 02:55:54,479
controls then you're on risk will go

3968
02:55:54,479 --> 02:55:56,040
significantly higher and we have to

3969
02:55:56,040 --> 02:55:57,960
change the way we test Things based on

3970
02:55:57,960 --> 02:56:00,479
you not having any controls

3971
02:56:00,479 --> 02:56:02,520
um we have to evaluate the

3972
02:56:02,520 --> 02:56:04,140
appropriateness of how you use

3973
02:56:04,140 --> 02:56:06,120
principles and how you understand them

3974
02:56:06,120 --> 02:56:09,180
and then the last ballpoint is

3975
02:56:09,180 --> 02:56:11,700
follows along with your assessment of

3976
02:56:11,700 --> 02:56:13,319
your ability to continue as a going

3977
02:56:13,319 --> 02:56:15,060
concern if there's things that we

3978
02:56:15,060 --> 02:56:17,700
identify as part of our test work that

3979
02:56:17,700 --> 02:56:19,620
kind of trigger those thoughts then we

3980
02:56:19,620 --> 02:56:22,200
also have to do an analysis on your

3981
02:56:22,200 --> 02:56:23,840
ability to continue as a going concern

3982
02:56:23,840 --> 02:56:26,520
and just for public record there weren't

3983
02:56:26,520 --> 02:56:29,220
any signs of you guys not not being able

3984
02:56:29,220 --> 02:56:32,100
to continue to operate as a County

3985
02:56:32,100 --> 02:56:34,020
I know I was talking about this to

3986
02:56:34,020 --> 02:56:35,340
somebody and they freaked out and

3987
02:56:35,340 --> 02:56:36,600
thought that I was telling them that

3988
02:56:36,600 --> 02:56:37,500
they weren't going to be able to

3989
02:56:37,500 --> 02:56:39,120
continue within the next 12 months but

3990
02:56:39,120 --> 02:56:41,100
this is more just the information that

3991
02:56:41,100 --> 02:56:42,540
we have to look at in during our

3992
02:56:42,540 --> 02:56:43,859
engagement

3993
02:56:43,859 --> 02:56:45,779
all right required supplementary

3994
02:56:45,779 --> 02:56:47,640
information just remember that there are

3995
02:56:47,640 --> 02:56:49,020
parts of the financial statements that

3996
02:56:49,020 --> 02:56:51,060
don't fall under our opinion and that is

3997
02:56:51,060 --> 02:56:52,560
the Management's discussion analysis

3998
02:56:52,560 --> 02:56:54,479
that immediately follows the audit

3999
02:56:54,479 --> 02:56:57,300
reports on the next page

4000
02:56:57,300 --> 02:56:59,340
um and then after the notes of the

4001
02:56:59,340 --> 02:57:01,439
financial statements there is a section

4002
02:57:01,439 --> 02:57:02,880
called required supplementary

4003
02:57:02,880 --> 02:57:04,680
information that has budget schedules in

4004
02:57:04,680 --> 02:57:07,080
it it has the URS information the

4005
02:57:07,080 --> 02:57:08,359
pension information

4006
02:57:08,359 --> 02:57:10,439
the schedules that are required to be

4007
02:57:10,439 --> 02:57:13,020
there so they're not a part of the basic

4008
02:57:13,020 --> 02:57:14,399
financial statements however they're

4009
02:57:14,399 --> 02:57:15,840
required to accompany the financial

4010
02:57:15,840 --> 02:57:18,720
statements to give more readability and

4011
02:57:18,720 --> 02:57:20,160
more understandability to the financial

4012
02:57:20,160 --> 02:57:23,520
statements so I always tell councils and

4013
02:57:23,520 --> 02:57:26,040
commissions and and other boards that if

4014
02:57:26,040 --> 02:57:27,840
you want to study the financial

4015
02:57:27,840 --> 02:57:29,580
statements the Management's discussion

4016
02:57:29,580 --> 02:57:31,140
analysis is the first place to start

4017
02:57:31,140 --> 02:57:32,700
because it's kind of the Reader's Digest

4018
02:57:32,700 --> 02:57:34,260
version of what's in the financial

4019
02:57:34,260 --> 02:57:36,899
statement so it's kind of a 30 000 foot

4020
02:57:36,899 --> 02:57:38,399
view of what's in the financial

4021
02:57:38,399 --> 02:57:39,840
statements there's a lot of comparative

4022
02:57:39,840 --> 02:57:42,240
data to the prior year so you can see

4023
02:57:42,240 --> 02:57:44,340
where you're at year over year versus

4024
02:57:44,340 --> 02:57:45,899
getting into the weeds of the numbers

4025
02:57:45,899 --> 02:57:47,760
and sometimes you get lost thinking oh

4026
02:57:47,760 --> 02:57:48,779
my gosh I don't understand these

4027
02:57:48,779 --> 02:57:49,920
governmental statements they don't make

4028
02:57:49,920 --> 02:57:51,720
any sense to me so the management

4029
02:57:51,720 --> 02:57:53,399
discussion analysis is a good place to

4030
02:57:53,399 --> 02:57:55,380
start

4031
02:57:55,380 --> 02:57:57,000
um supplementary information so that

4032
02:57:57,000 --> 02:58:01,620
would be any non-major funds that you've requested that we add to the

4033
02:58:01,620 --> 02:58:03,479
financial statements

4034
02:58:03,479 --> 02:58:05,040
um the schedule of expenditures of

4035
02:58:05,040 --> 02:58:07,260
federal Awards so that is your single

4036
02:58:07,260 --> 02:58:08,520
audit

4037
02:58:08,520 --> 02:58:10,080
um that's considered supplementary

4038
02:58:10,080 --> 02:58:11,520
information so supplementary information

4039
02:58:11,520 --> 02:58:14,939
is information that is either by your

4040
02:58:14,939 --> 02:58:16,859
choice or somebody else says you have to

4041
02:58:16,859 --> 02:58:18,600
include this information

4042
02:58:18,600 --> 02:58:20,640
um but it does fall underneath our

4043
02:58:20,640 --> 02:58:22,200
opinion

4044
02:58:22,200 --> 02:58:25,080
um so those those sections are audited

4045
02:58:25,080 --> 02:58:27,300
and they they also received an

4046
02:58:27,300 --> 02:58:31,670
unqualified or unlockified opinion

4047
02:58:31,680 --> 02:58:38,150
okay if you want to flip to the back

4048
02:58:38,160 --> 02:58:46,309
page a little PDF pages

4049
02:58:46,319 --> 02:58:54,650
probably 10 pages in the end

4050
02:58:54,660 --> 02:58:57,180
it'll go on the on your page side and

4051
02:58:57,180 --> 02:59:00,710
then scroll down your pages

4052
02:59:00,720 --> 02:59:03,000
and you see the secret rather that

4053
02:59:03,000 --> 02:59:05,170
report

4054
02:59:05,180 --> 02:59:07,920
okay so these are the the other reports

4055
02:59:07,920 --> 02:59:09,540
that were required to issue that this

4056
02:59:09,540 --> 02:59:12,120
one talks is a report that were issue

4057
02:59:12,120 --> 02:59:13,319
that says that we did your audit

4058
02:59:13,319 --> 02:59:14,399
according to government auditing

4059
02:59:14,399 --> 02:59:15,840
standards

4060
02:59:15,840 --> 02:59:18,899
um this one just this report uh really

4061
02:59:18,899 --> 02:59:20,460
just talks about us looking at your

4062
02:59:20,460 --> 02:59:22,200
internal controls

4063
02:59:22,200 --> 02:59:23,520
um not that we give an opinion on it

4064
02:59:23,520 --> 02:59:25,319
like I said but we have to identify any

4065
02:59:25,319 --> 02:59:26,939
significant deficiencies or material

4066
02:59:26,939 --> 02:59:28,620
weaknesses

4067
02:59:28,620 --> 02:59:30,180
um we didn't find any that we would

4068
02:59:30,180 --> 02:59:32,340
report as part of this letter

4069
02:59:32,340 --> 02:59:35,700
all right two face go two pages down uh

4070
02:59:35,700 --> 02:59:37,319
this is the report that we're required

4071
02:59:37,319 --> 02:59:38,700
to issue

4072
02:59:38,700 --> 02:59:40,920
um for the state auditor and you can see

4073
02:59:40,920 --> 02:59:42,660
the indented area right there in the

4074
02:59:42,660 --> 02:59:44,100
middle of the page those were the areas

4075
02:59:44,100 --> 02:59:46,020
that we were required to look at

4076
02:59:46,020 --> 02:59:48,120
um there's significantly more than last

4077
02:59:48,120 --> 02:59:50,100
year and that's because this is the

4078
02:59:50,100 --> 02:59:51,660
first year that we've done your audit so

4079
02:59:51,660 --> 02:59:54,240
it's the your your first cycle so

4080
02:59:54,240 --> 02:59:56,819
anything cash management open to public

4081
02:59:56,819 --> 02:59:58,140
meetings public Treasures Utah

4082
02:59:58,140 --> 03:00:00,899
Retirement Systems impact fees tax levy

4083
03:00:00,899 --> 03:00:03,000
recognition Enterprise fund transfers so

4084
03:00:03,000 --> 03:00:05,100
all those are our third year procedures

4085
03:00:05,100 --> 03:00:06,660
so you only have to be tested on those

4086
03:00:06,660 --> 03:00:08,939
every three years but since was this was

4087
03:00:08,939 --> 03:00:10,200
the first year that we performed the

4088
03:00:10,200 --> 03:00:11,100
audit

4089
03:00:11,100 --> 03:00:12,840
whether or not you did it last year or

4090
03:00:12,840 --> 03:00:14,460
two years ago we were required to do it

4091
03:00:14,460 --> 03:00:15,660
again

4092
03:00:15,660 --> 03:00:16,500
um

4093
03:00:16,500 --> 03:00:18,479
we do give an opinion on your compliance

4094
03:00:18,479 --> 03:00:21,479
and and our opinion is is also an

4095
03:00:21,479 --> 03:00:23,279
unmodified or unqualified opinion on

4096
03:00:23,279 --> 03:00:25,140
your compliance meaning that we didn't

4097
03:00:25,140 --> 03:00:28,439
find any material non-compliance that

4098
03:00:28,439 --> 03:00:30,479
um during our test work

4099
03:00:30,479 --> 03:00:32,220
um and as you'll see as we discuss the

4100
03:00:32,220 --> 03:00:33,479
management letters that there weren't

4101
03:00:33,479 --> 03:00:36,120
any state compliance findings this year

4102
03:00:36,120 --> 03:00:39,620
uh all right next page so two pages down

4103
03:00:39,620 --> 03:00:42,540
so the next report is the report that we

4104
03:00:42,540 --> 03:00:43,859
issue

4105
03:00:43,859 --> 03:00:45,960
um for your single audit

4106
03:00:45,960 --> 03:00:48,180
and this just says that

4107
03:00:48,180 --> 03:00:49,560
um we've done our test work in

4108
03:00:49,560 --> 03:00:51,500
accordance with the uniform guidance

4109
03:00:51,500 --> 03:00:54,720
and we give an opinion on each of your

4110
03:00:54,720 --> 03:00:56,580
major federal programs so we don't look

4111
03:00:56,580 --> 03:00:58,580
at every Federal program that you get

4112
03:00:58,580 --> 03:01:00,840
based on your schedule of expenditures

4113
03:01:00,840 --> 03:01:02,760
we have to determine which ones are

4114
03:01:02,760 --> 03:01:04,319
major programs and those are the ones

4115
03:01:04,319 --> 03:01:06,660
that we give an opinion on

4116
03:01:06,660 --> 03:01:08,340
so we give an opinion on your insurance

4117
03:01:08,340 --> 03:01:11,479
control and as well as your compliance

4118
03:01:11,479 --> 03:01:13,620
and both of those opinions are

4119
03:01:13,620 --> 03:01:16,859
unmodified and unqualified

4120
03:01:16,859 --> 03:01:19,979
um if there are any issues that come up

4121
03:01:19,979 --> 03:01:20,880
um

4122
03:01:20,880 --> 03:01:24,060
we are required to report them to the

4123
03:01:24,060 --> 03:01:26,160
federal government everything was

4124
03:01:26,160 --> 03:01:27,779
submitted to the federal government by

4125
03:01:27,779 --> 03:01:30,060
the deadline that was my big concern was

4126
03:01:30,060 --> 03:01:32,100
getting into the federal audit

4127
03:01:32,100 --> 03:01:34,979
Clearinghouse by September 30th but we

4128
03:01:34,979 --> 03:01:37,319
did make it so that's good

4129
03:01:37,319 --> 03:01:39,420
um thanks to Gabe for

4130
03:01:39,420 --> 03:01:41,399
kind of being there for the end

4131
03:01:41,399 --> 03:01:42,359
um

4132
03:01:42,359 --> 03:01:43,979
trying to throw everything together and

4133
03:01:43,979 --> 03:01:46,200
make sure that we get the deadline

4134
03:01:46,200 --> 03:01:47,580
um just a couple of things that I'm I

4135
03:01:47,580 --> 03:01:51,359
need to go over with the single audit

4136
03:01:51,359 --> 03:01:56,640
um on page 87 so if you go down 23 pages

4137
03:01:56,640 --> 03:02:00,889
um the summary of auditor results

4138
03:02:00,899 --> 03:02:02,520
so

4139
03:02:02,520 --> 03:02:04,500
um as far as what gets report were

4140
03:02:04,500 --> 03:02:06,000
reported to the federal government we

4141
03:02:06,000 --> 03:02:07,740
have to report what your opinion was on

4142
03:02:07,740 --> 03:02:09,180
the financial statements so an

4143
03:02:09,180 --> 03:02:11,220
unmodified or an unqualified opinion

4144
03:02:11,220 --> 03:02:13,319
there were not any material weaknesses

4145
03:02:13,319 --> 03:02:14,760
identified not any significant

4146
03:02:14,760 --> 03:02:17,160
deficiencies and no non-compliance that

4147
03:02:17,160 --> 03:02:18,240
were material to the financial

4148
03:02:18,240 --> 03:02:22,020
statements your federal award program

4149
03:02:22,020 --> 03:02:24,979
um we also have to identify our opinions

4150
03:02:24,979 --> 03:02:27,359
we did not identify any material

4151
03:02:27,359 --> 03:02:29,220
weaknesses or significant deficiencies

4152
03:02:29,220 --> 03:02:32,160
as it relates to the federal programs

4153
03:02:32,160 --> 03:02:34,620
um and any major federal program that we

4154
03:02:34,620 --> 03:02:38,510
tested received an unmodified opinion

4155
03:02:38,520 --> 03:02:40,140
um

4156
03:02:40,140 --> 03:02:42,359
that you can see that we tested the arpa

4157
03:02:42,359 --> 03:02:44,279
money this year so that was the major

4158
03:02:44,279 --> 03:02:46,020
program

4159
03:02:46,020 --> 03:02:49,680
um and MOA or Grant County qualifies as

4160
03:02:49,680 --> 03:02:51,720
a low-risk Oddity that really doesn't

4161
03:02:51,720 --> 03:02:53,939
mean anything to you guys other than

4162
03:02:53,939 --> 03:02:55,380
um it's more information for us

4163
03:02:55,380 --> 03:02:58,020
everybody freaks out about not being

4164
03:02:58,020 --> 03:03:00,240
low risk or not being considered low

4165
03:03:00,240 --> 03:03:02,520
risk that just means that you haven't

4166
03:03:02,520 --> 03:03:04,200
had any findings in the last priority

4167
03:03:04,200 --> 03:03:05,880
years and that you've had single audits

4168
03:03:05,880 --> 03:03:08,340
that they've been filed on time or that

4169
03:03:08,340 --> 03:03:09,840
there's aren't there's not any grants

4170
03:03:09,840 --> 03:03:12,420
that a granting agency says this is high

4171
03:03:12,420 --> 03:03:13,979
risk and you have to test it as high

4172
03:03:13,979 --> 03:03:15,120
risk

4173
03:03:15,120 --> 03:03:16,560
um so it's really kind of out of your

4174
03:03:16,560 --> 03:03:18,359
control of whether or not you're

4175
03:03:18,359 --> 03:03:20,160
determined to be low risk or high or

4176
03:03:20,160 --> 03:03:23,460
high risk and all it means is if if

4177
03:03:23,460 --> 03:03:25,859
you're not considered low risk they

4178
03:03:25,859 --> 03:03:27,479
don't call high-risk they say you're not

4179
03:03:27,479 --> 03:03:29,040
lower risk but that means that I have to

4180
03:03:29,040 --> 03:03:31,140
test more so that's that's the

4181
03:03:31,140 --> 03:03:32,100
difference it really doesn't mean

4182
03:03:32,100 --> 03:03:33,600
anything to you guys other than I have

4183
03:03:33,600 --> 03:03:35,760
to have more percent coverage

4184
03:03:35,760 --> 03:03:37,620
all right

4185
03:03:37,620 --> 03:03:42,230
now the management letter

4186
03:03:42,240 --> 03:03:43,920
I'll be quick on this one these are

4187
03:03:43,920 --> 03:03:45,840
things that we're required to go over

4188
03:03:45,840 --> 03:03:47,580
we do as a commission

4189
03:03:47,580 --> 03:03:49,800
or a council sorry

4190
03:03:49,800 --> 03:03:50,600
um

4191
03:03:50,600 --> 03:03:54,530
oh Commission

4192
03:03:54,540 --> 03:03:55,920
sorry

4193
03:03:55,920 --> 03:03:57,540
I talked to so many people like and

4194
03:03:57,540 --> 03:03:58,920
everybody's changing everybody's like

4195
03:03:58,920 --> 03:04:01,620
switching between here seven member five

4196
03:04:01,620 --> 03:04:03,180
member

4197
03:04:03,180 --> 03:04:04,140
um

4198
03:04:04,140 --> 03:04:07,490
all right

4199
03:04:07,500 --> 03:04:09,960
okay so the plan scope and timing the

4200
03:04:09,960 --> 03:04:12,240
audit uh we we outline that in the

4201
03:04:12,240 --> 03:04:13,680
engagement letter the sign at the

4202
03:04:13,680 --> 03:04:15,479
beginning of the engagement the

4203
03:04:15,479 --> 03:04:17,040
significant risk risks that were

4204
03:04:17,040 --> 03:04:18,359
identified so I told you that we were

4205
03:04:18,359 --> 03:04:20,880
going to talk about risks and these are things that were required to

4206
03:04:20,880 --> 03:04:23,520
communicate with you as well now

4207
03:04:23,520 --> 03:04:25,260
um so the risk that we identified were

4208
03:04:25,260 --> 03:04:26,760
improper Revenue recognition cash

4209
03:04:26,760 --> 03:04:28,380
disbursements and then potential

4210
03:04:28,380 --> 03:04:30,479
management bias estimates and the

4211
03:04:30,479 --> 03:04:32,220
ability of management to override

4212
03:04:32,220 --> 03:04:33,540
controls

4213
03:04:33,540 --> 03:04:35,100
so a lot of people have kind of been

4214
03:04:35,100 --> 03:04:36,600
freaking out about this thinking oh my

4215
03:04:36,600 --> 03:04:38,880
gosh we have these problems but

4216
03:04:38,880 --> 03:04:40,260
I need to

4217
03:04:40,260 --> 03:04:44,279
address these as these are significant

4218
03:04:44,279 --> 03:04:47,160
risks that were required to identify in

4219
03:04:47,160 --> 03:04:49,200
every engagement so if we don't identify

4220
03:04:49,200 --> 03:04:51,420
Revenue recognition as a significant

4221
03:04:51,420 --> 03:04:54,420
risk then we have to document what in

4222
03:04:54,420 --> 03:04:57,240
your entity would make it not a

4223
03:04:57,240 --> 03:04:58,500
significant risk and it doesn't matter

4224
03:04:58,500 --> 03:05:00,120
if you're a government the non-profit

4225
03:05:00,120 --> 03:05:02,760
public company everybody has that as a

4226
03:05:02,760 --> 03:05:05,340
significant risk cash disbursements

4227
03:05:05,340 --> 03:05:07,760
because you are a government entity

4228
03:05:07,760 --> 03:05:10,979
and you are utilizing public funds there

4229
03:05:10,979 --> 03:05:12,920
is a risk of misspending those funds

4230
03:05:12,920 --> 03:05:16,020
therefore cash disbursements becomes a

4231
03:05:16,020 --> 03:05:18,779
significant risk and then Management's

4232
03:05:18,779 --> 03:05:21,359
bias estimates and the ability to

4233
03:05:21,359 --> 03:05:23,819
override controls those are risks and

4234
03:05:23,819 --> 03:05:25,200
this kind of boils down to internal

4235
03:05:25,200 --> 03:05:26,220
controls

4236
03:05:26,220 --> 03:05:29,520
so so Gabe's ability to create a journal

4237
03:05:29,520 --> 03:05:32,399
entry is an override of a control

4238
03:05:32,399 --> 03:05:34,740
um as you guys know as as I've worked

4239
03:05:34,740 --> 03:05:36,120
with Cody Dieter

4240
03:05:36,120 --> 03:05:37,560
um on some of the internal control stuff

4241
03:05:37,560 --> 03:05:39,240
and kind of helping him you know with

4242
03:05:39,240 --> 03:05:40,500
the county

4243
03:05:40,500 --> 03:05:42,359
we talk a lot about internal controls

4244
03:05:42,359 --> 03:05:43,859
and your financial records should be

4245
03:05:43,859 --> 03:05:46,500
done on a transaction basis so journal

4246
03:05:46,500 --> 03:05:48,240
entries are a way to either

4247
03:05:48,240 --> 03:05:50,700
correct something that's happened or

4248
03:05:50,700 --> 03:05:52,920
Management's ability to override that

4249
03:05:52,920 --> 03:05:54,779
control so you have to have that ability

4250
03:05:54,779 --> 03:05:57,020
to create a journal entry however

4251
03:05:57,020 --> 03:05:59,760
inherently you can commit fraud and

4252
03:05:59,760 --> 03:06:02,220
conceal fraud by having that ability to

4253
03:06:02,220 --> 03:06:03,840
override that control so you can see how

4254
03:06:03,840 --> 03:06:06,420
it's kind of a double-edged sword so

4255
03:06:06,420 --> 03:06:09,540
that's why it's it's a significant risk

4256
03:06:09,540 --> 03:06:12,479
um what this means to you guys is these

4257
03:06:12,479 --> 03:06:14,700
are the risks that we had to identify in

4258
03:06:14,700 --> 03:06:16,859
our audit and then we have to plan our

4259
03:06:16,859 --> 03:06:19,319
procedures and our tests around these

4260
03:06:19,319 --> 03:06:21,479
areas to make sure that we reduce the

4261
03:06:21,479 --> 03:06:23,580
risk to a reasonable level to be

4262
03:06:23,580 --> 03:06:26,100
comfortable with the balances so

4263
03:06:26,100 --> 03:06:28,620
um nothing you know major that that you

4264
03:06:28,620 --> 03:06:31,080
need to change as a county those risks

4265
03:06:31,080 --> 03:06:33,240
will probably always be there

4266
03:06:33,240 --> 03:06:35,640
um but we we plan tests around that and

4267
03:06:35,640 --> 03:06:37,439
then if we think if we find areas of

4268
03:06:37,439 --> 03:06:38,939
concern we'll usually talk to Gabe or

4269
03:06:38,939 --> 03:06:41,460
whoever and you know if it's significant

4270
03:06:41,460 --> 03:06:44,520
enough then we'll issue a finding

4271
03:06:44,520 --> 03:06:48,230
all right

4272
03:06:48,240 --> 03:06:48,779
um

4273
03:06:48,779 --> 03:06:50,880
so management we talked about the has

4274
03:06:50,880 --> 03:06:53,220
the responsibility to use a appropriate

4275
03:06:53,220 --> 03:06:55,020
accounting policies

4276
03:06:55,020 --> 03:06:56,939
um there weren't any new accounting

4277
03:06:56,939 --> 03:06:58,380
pronouncements that were implemented

4278
03:06:58,380 --> 03:06:59,819
this year

4279
03:06:59,819 --> 03:07:02,040
um and and nothing nothing changed from

4280
03:07:02,040 --> 03:07:04,500
the prior year uh significant accounting

4281
03:07:04,500 --> 03:07:06,000
estimates

4282
03:07:06,000 --> 03:07:07,680
um like I said this was identified as a

4283
03:07:07,680 --> 03:07:09,960
significant risk but you have to know

4284
03:07:09,960 --> 03:07:11,340
that there's always estimates in

4285
03:07:11,340 --> 03:07:13,140
financial statements

4286
03:07:13,140 --> 03:07:15,960
um the the reason why that's a

4287
03:07:15,960 --> 03:07:18,060
significant issue is I always give the

4288
03:07:18,060 --> 03:07:19,979
example of a capital asset so if you go

4289
03:07:19,979 --> 03:07:21,660
out and you buy a new fire engine it's

4290
03:07:21,660 --> 03:07:24,899
500 000 and you pay for pay cash for it

4291
03:07:24,899 --> 03:07:26,819
on your financial statements if you show

4292
03:07:26,819 --> 03:07:29,460
that as an expense it's going to be a

4293
03:07:29,460 --> 03:07:31,620
500 000 hit to be to your bottom line

4294
03:07:31,620 --> 03:07:33,479
but if you say well we think it's going

4295
03:07:33,479 --> 03:07:36,359
to last for 50 years then we're going to

4296
03:07:36,359 --> 03:07:38,399
depreciate that over 50 years then it's

4297
03:07:38,399 --> 03:07:39,720
only a thousand dollars that hit your

4298
03:07:39,720 --> 03:07:41,880
bottom line that's a huge difference in

4299
03:07:41,880 --> 03:07:44,520
net income and if and so what we do is

4300
03:07:44,520 --> 03:07:46,500
we try to identify any estimates in the

4301
03:07:46,500 --> 03:07:49,140
financial statements URS

4302
03:07:49,140 --> 03:07:50,580
you know your net pension liability

4303
03:07:50,580 --> 03:07:51,960
that's an estimate and it's going to

4304
03:07:51,960 --> 03:07:53,220
change every year that one's out of your

4305
03:07:53,220 --> 03:07:55,800
control uh but we look at those to make

4306
03:07:55,800 --> 03:07:57,600
sure that they're consistent over time

4307
03:07:57,600 --> 03:07:59,220
and that they're reasonable you know

4308
03:07:59,220 --> 03:08:01,260
it's not reasonable to expense an asset

4309
03:08:01,260 --> 03:08:03,300
that's going to last 20 years all in one

4310
03:08:03,300 --> 03:08:05,880
year versus well we think it's going to

4311
03:08:05,880 --> 03:08:07,680
last 100 years that's that's also not

4312
03:08:07,680 --> 03:08:10,080
reasonable so we have to say okay here's

4313
03:08:10,080 --> 03:08:12,000
what how long you should depreciate a

4314
03:08:12,000 --> 03:08:14,220
fire truck

4315
03:08:14,220 --> 03:08:16,260
um the reason being is it's really hard

4316
03:08:16,260 --> 03:08:19,140
for you to plan for the future by

4317
03:08:19,140 --> 03:08:21,180
looking at financial data it's

4318
03:08:21,180 --> 03:08:22,680
historical when you have these big

4319
03:08:22,680 --> 03:08:24,420
swings in financial data because of

4320
03:08:24,420 --> 03:08:27,180
estimates because they can't change and

4321
03:08:27,180 --> 03:08:29,399
if you change your methodology then it

4322
03:08:29,399 --> 03:08:30,840
changes at the bottom line and then you

4323
03:08:30,840 --> 03:08:33,300
go back and you can't get consistent

4324
03:08:33,300 --> 03:08:35,160
data to plan for the future and so

4325
03:08:35,160 --> 03:08:37,020
that's one of the reasons why we we talk

4326
03:08:37,020 --> 03:08:39,479
a lot about it and we try to identify it

4327
03:08:39,479 --> 03:08:41,880
and make sure that they're reasonable

4328
03:08:41,880 --> 03:08:43,640
and that they're consistent over time

4329
03:08:43,640 --> 03:08:45,540
there weren't any uncorrected

4330
03:08:45,540 --> 03:08:46,859
misstatements there weren't any

4331
03:08:46,859 --> 03:08:49,140
significant difficulties during the

4332
03:08:49,140 --> 03:08:51,240
audit like I said we got all the

4333
03:08:51,240 --> 03:08:53,040
information that we needed

4334
03:08:53,040 --> 03:08:54,899
um I will it's probably a good time to

4335
03:08:54,899 --> 03:08:56,160
talk about it

4336
03:08:56,160 --> 03:08:57,840
um one of the reasons why the audit was

4337
03:08:57,840 --> 03:09:00,899
late was because of the component units

4338
03:09:00,899 --> 03:09:02,939
um we audit quite a few counties and

4339
03:09:02,939 --> 03:09:06,240
this is a problem in every County I I'm

4340
03:09:06,240 --> 03:09:08,760
giving you guys the charge or talking to

4341
03:09:08,760 --> 03:09:10,319
you I've already talked to Gabe I talked

4342
03:09:10,319 --> 03:09:11,580
to Clint

4343
03:09:11,580 --> 03:09:13,859
um if you can push the component units

4344
03:09:13,859 --> 03:09:15,420
to get their audits done

4345
03:09:15,420 --> 03:09:18,840
before the June deadline I'm working on

4346
03:09:18,840 --> 03:09:20,580
my end working through the state auditor

4347
03:09:20,580 --> 03:09:22,319
to actually try and change the law so

4348
03:09:22,319 --> 03:09:23,880
they have to be done by the end of May

4349
03:09:23,880 --> 03:09:26,279
that gives them you know a 30-day grace

4350
03:09:26,279 --> 03:09:27,779
period to be able to get them to you

4351
03:09:27,779 --> 03:09:28,740
guys to be able to get your financial

4352
03:09:28,740 --> 03:09:30,840
statements in on time but if you can

4353
03:09:30,840 --> 03:09:34,080
push on your end to have them close

4354
03:09:34,080 --> 03:09:35,880
their books right after the end of the

4355
03:09:35,880 --> 03:09:38,760
year get with their Auditors it

4356
03:09:38,760 --> 03:09:40,680
typically has been a problem in the past

4357
03:09:40,680 --> 03:09:42,060
where

4358
03:09:42,060 --> 03:09:45,000
um I would say the blame falls on us as

4359
03:09:45,000 --> 03:09:47,640
cbas because a lot of the CPA firms in

4360
03:09:47,640 --> 03:09:50,399
the state do tax season and then to do

4361
03:09:50,399 --> 03:09:51,840
government audits in the summertime so

4362
03:09:51,840 --> 03:09:54,359
they wait until after April 15th and

4363
03:09:54,359 --> 03:09:55,859
then they go on vacation and so then

4364
03:09:55,859 --> 03:09:57,600
it's May or June when they started in

4365
03:09:57,600 --> 03:09:58,680
the audience well there's no way you can

4366
03:09:58,680 --> 03:10:00,779
finish an audit that fast

4367
03:10:00,779 --> 03:10:02,399
um and I'm working with a couple other

4368
03:10:02,399 --> 03:10:04,140
CPA firms and we're trying to fix that

4369
03:10:04,140 --> 03:10:06,479
we're trying to get to where the audits

4370
03:10:06,479 --> 03:10:08,640
are being done earlier in the year

4371
03:10:08,640 --> 03:10:12,540
because now it's October and and you're

4372
03:10:12,540 --> 03:10:14,220
getting Financial reports that don't

4373
03:10:14,220 --> 03:10:15,899
mean anything to you anymore but if you

4374
03:10:15,899 --> 03:10:17,760
got them in February or March that means

4375
03:10:17,760 --> 03:10:19,080
a whole lot more because it's relevant

4376
03:10:19,080 --> 03:10:21,899
information you know and so if you can

4377
03:10:21,899 --> 03:10:23,279
push on your end I would greatly

4378
03:10:23,279 --> 03:10:25,680
appreciate it

4379
03:10:25,680 --> 03:10:28,140
um and and we'll be involved we I know

4380
03:10:28,140 --> 03:10:29,460
most of the Auditors for the component

4381
03:10:29,460 --> 03:10:33,899
units and so I push on my end as well

4382
03:10:33,899 --> 03:10:36,120
just just to clarify on that the

4383
03:10:36,120 --> 03:10:37,979
component units that that's um

4384
03:10:37,979 --> 03:10:39,359
specifically referring to our special

4385
03:10:39,359 --> 03:10:41,040
service districts that you all serve on

4386
03:10:41,040 --> 03:10:44,580
the boards for yeah that's right

4387
03:10:44,580 --> 03:10:46,380
okay thank you so it's like I just met

4388
03:10:46,380 --> 03:10:48,540
with Canyonlands just barely that's I

4389
03:10:48,540 --> 03:10:50,279
was in a meeting with them before and so

4390
03:10:50,279 --> 03:10:52,140
I talked to them it said look we're

4391
03:10:52,140 --> 03:10:53,939
closing your books the end of February

4392
03:10:53,939 --> 03:10:55,859
first part of March get your audit done

4393
03:10:55,859 --> 03:10:57,300
you know we'll get it to the auditor so

4394
03:10:57,300 --> 03:11:00,060
it's done EMS

4395
03:11:00,060 --> 03:11:01,859
um I remember the other one's a bit late

4396
03:11:01,859 --> 03:11:04,319
the song waste just was was late this

4397
03:11:04,319 --> 03:11:07,020
year so a lot of the major ones are were

4398
03:11:07,020 --> 03:11:09,000
significantly late so that's kind of

4399
03:11:09,000 --> 03:11:11,520
what we were waiting on

4400
03:11:11,520 --> 03:11:12,779
um disagreements with management there

4401
03:11:12,779 --> 03:11:13,800
weren't any disagreements with

4402
03:11:13,800 --> 03:11:15,180
management

4403
03:11:15,180 --> 03:11:17,220
um management representation so we get a

4404
03:11:17,220 --> 03:11:19,319
letter signed by management that is kind

4405
03:11:19,319 --> 03:11:21,180
of a full disclosure letter so when I'm

4406
03:11:21,180 --> 03:11:22,680
reviewing everything I'm reviewing our

4407
03:11:22,680 --> 03:11:23,700
opinion I'm reviewing the financial

4408
03:11:23,700 --> 03:11:25,500
statements I could be comfortable that

4409
03:11:25,500 --> 03:11:27,180
our opinion is correct and that you've

4410
03:11:27,180 --> 03:11:28,439
been forthcoming with any information

4411
03:11:28,439 --> 03:11:30,479
that you have withheld anything and

4412
03:11:30,479 --> 03:11:32,100
that's the purpose of that letter

4413
03:11:32,100 --> 03:11:33,840
consultations with other accountants if

4414
03:11:33,840 --> 03:11:35,460
there is a disagreement on an accounting

4415
03:11:35,460 --> 03:11:37,140
principle or how we're handling a

4416
03:11:37,140 --> 03:11:39,060
situation you're more than welcome to go

4417
03:11:39,060 --> 03:11:41,460
talk to a third party auditor the only

4418
03:11:41,460 --> 03:11:43,800
request is that we also have access to

4419
03:11:43,800 --> 03:11:45,960
that same third party so that we can

4420
03:11:45,960 --> 03:11:47,520
present our case and our understanding

4421
03:11:47,520 --> 03:11:50,100
of what the code is or the accounting

4422
03:11:50,100 --> 03:11:52,319
principle and then we can all get on the

4423
03:11:52,319 --> 03:11:53,700
same page and we can move forward with

4424
03:11:53,700 --> 03:11:56,750
the audit

4425
03:11:56,760 --> 03:11:58,040
um

4426
03:11:58,040 --> 03:12:00,600
yeah that's pretty much it so if you

4427
03:12:00,600 --> 03:12:02,640
want to flip the page oh you're not on

4428
03:12:02,640 --> 03:12:04,140
that match letter

4429
03:12:04,140 --> 03:12:05,279
um the very last part of the management

4430
03:12:05,279 --> 03:12:07,319
letter is the the findings

4431
03:12:07,319 --> 03:12:08,580
um there weren't any internal control

4432
03:12:08,580 --> 03:12:10,439
findings this year

4433
03:12:10,439 --> 03:12:11,760
um and there were no State compliance

4434
03:12:11,760 --> 03:12:14,220
findings this year so congratulate your

4435
03:12:14,220 --> 03:12:15,840
staff or Pat them on the back they they

4436
03:12:15,840 --> 03:12:17,520
do a good job

4437
03:12:17,520 --> 03:12:19,080
um and then in a few years that I've

4438
03:12:19,080 --> 03:12:21,479
worked with Cody on the internal control

4439
03:12:21,479 --> 03:12:23,040
stuff I know that we've kind of cleaned

4440
03:12:23,040 --> 03:12:25,439
stuff up and and had you do a lot of

4441
03:12:25,439 --> 03:12:27,960
different things in the Management's

4442
03:12:27,960 --> 03:12:30,420
offices the staff offices to be able to

4443
03:12:30,420 --> 03:12:31,680
get to a point where there's not

4444
03:12:31,680 --> 03:12:34,080
internal control findings

4445
03:12:34,080 --> 03:12:35,340
um last year there were a couple of

4446
03:12:35,340 --> 03:12:38,220
findings that we just have to address

4447
03:12:38,220 --> 03:12:39,899
and give you the status on last year

4448
03:12:39,899 --> 03:12:43,380
there was a excess budget

4449
03:12:43,380 --> 03:12:46,080
so you went over budget last year

4450
03:12:46,080 --> 03:12:48,120
and that was I don't know if you

4451
03:12:48,120 --> 03:12:49,260
remember it was in the health department

4452
03:12:49,260 --> 03:12:51,359
domestic violence fund Capital project

4453
03:12:51,359 --> 03:12:54,840
fund and Healthcare however that appears

4454
03:12:54,840 --> 03:12:56,460
to have been addressed and corrected

4455
03:12:56,460 --> 03:12:58,380
there weren't any issues of that during

4456
03:12:58,380 --> 03:13:01,680
2021 and then deficit fund balance so

4457
03:13:01,680 --> 03:13:03,420
last year domestic violence fund had a

4458
03:13:03,420 --> 03:13:04,859
deficit fund balance it was a really

4459
03:13:04,859 --> 03:13:06,240
small one

4460
03:13:06,240 --> 03:13:09,420
but that was corrected this period as

4461
03:13:09,420 --> 03:13:14,580
well so both of the prior findings are basically considered closed now

4462
03:13:14,580 --> 03:13:17,640
you've addressed them correct them so

4463
03:13:17,640 --> 03:13:21,830
is there any questions for me

4464
03:13:21,840 --> 03:13:24,190
all right

4465
03:13:24,200 --> 03:13:27,779
but basically we're okay yeah doing a

4466
03:13:27,779 --> 03:13:29,580
good job doing better doing good job

4467
03:13:29,580 --> 03:13:32,700
perfect but doing better great

4468
03:13:32,700 --> 03:13:34,560
and to remind those or just to make

4469
03:13:34,560 --> 03:13:35,760
clear to those who might have been

4470
03:13:35,760 --> 03:13:37,920
underwear this is our first year working

4471
03:13:37,920 --> 03:13:41,279
with uh John and his firm uh for our

4472
03:13:41,279 --> 03:13:43,500
audit and I I think it's

4473
03:13:43,500 --> 03:13:45,240
going to be really great moving forward

4474
03:13:45,240 --> 03:13:48,240
for the financial health of the county

4475
03:13:48,240 --> 03:13:51,300
um and I and I have to take a moment to

4476
03:13:51,300 --> 03:13:53,220
thank the uh the clerk's office staff

4477
03:13:53,220 --> 03:13:55,500
Christy Backus Janice Smith Janna Kyle

4478
03:13:55,500 --> 03:13:58,220
uh Cassie Rose who's no longer with us

4479
03:13:58,220 --> 03:14:00,359
uh Renee

4480
03:14:00,359 --> 03:14:02,460
Treasurer Kaufman associate

4481
03:14:02,460 --> 03:14:04,140
administrator Hall

4482
03:14:04,140 --> 03:14:06,240
I'm probably missing some people too but

4483
03:14:06,240 --> 03:14:08,100
it's a real team effort putting this

4484
03:14:08,100 --> 03:14:11,520
together and working with John so yeah

4485
03:14:11,520 --> 03:14:15,540
great yeah thank you Gabe and John okay

4486
03:14:15,540 --> 03:14:19,439
thanks all right

4487
03:14:19,439 --> 03:14:20,760
uh

4488
03:14:20,760 --> 03:14:23,060
very educational um moving on Utah

4489
03:14:23,060 --> 03:14:26,760
Geological Survey Madison Wetlands study

4490
03:14:26,760 --> 03:14:29,640
presentation we have uh Catherine ladig

4491
03:14:29,640 --> 03:14:32,399
from the Utah Geological Survey at

4492
03:14:32,399 --> 03:14:36,429
groundwater and wetlands program

4493
03:14:36,439 --> 03:14:39,180
welcome thanks for uh sitting through

4494
03:14:39,180 --> 03:14:45,889
all that

4495
03:14:45,899 --> 03:14:47,399
it's on the

4496
03:14:47,399 --> 03:14:52,370
yeah yeah

4497
03:14:52,380 --> 03:15:00,290
I read it

4498
03:15:00,300 --> 03:15:03,420
I can probably start some uh Catherine

4499
03:15:03,420 --> 03:15:06,540
lattice with uh Utah Geological Survey

4500
03:15:06,540 --> 03:15:09,359
groundwater and wetlands program

4501
03:15:09,359 --> 03:15:20,340
um and so uh we as a group are studying

4502
03:15:20,340 --> 03:15:22,800
the maths in wetlands and we're looking

4503
03:15:22,800 --> 03:15:26,040
at uh developing a water budget for the

4504
03:15:26,040 --> 03:15:27,359
wetlands

4505
03:15:27,359 --> 03:15:29,160
um and refining any that have been done

4506
03:15:29,160 --> 03:15:32,220
in the past adding a lot more details

4507
03:15:32,220 --> 03:15:33,960
um we're also looking at a brine layer

4508
03:15:33,960 --> 03:15:36,479
that's underlying the fresh water in the

4509
03:15:36,479 --> 03:15:39,359
Wetland or below the Wetland that's part

4510
03:15:39,359 --> 03:15:41,939
of the valley full of aquifer

4511
03:15:41,939 --> 03:15:44,279
um and then uh

4512
03:15:44,279 --> 03:15:46,140
part of that we're looking at Spring

4513
03:15:46,140 --> 03:15:49,439
Water there are Springs issuing from the

4514
03:15:49,439 --> 03:15:52,080
Glen Canyon group east of Highway 191

4515
03:15:52,080 --> 03:15:55,100
that feed fresh water to The Preserve so

4516
03:15:55,100 --> 03:15:57,540
that's going to be really key we're

4517
03:15:57,540 --> 03:15:59,160
looking at if there are fluctuations and

4518
03:15:59,160 --> 03:16:02,520
those going on anything like that

4519
03:16:02,520 --> 03:16:04,680
um and then the last bit we're looking

4520
03:16:04,680 --> 03:16:07,439
at vegetation and trying to do some

4521
03:16:07,439 --> 03:16:09,000
vegetation mapping we have a whole

4522
03:16:09,000 --> 03:16:11,100
Wetlands group dedicated to that so

4523
03:16:11,100 --> 03:16:12,000
they're going to be putting their

4524
03:16:12,000 --> 03:16:13,380
efforts

4525
03:16:13,380 --> 03:16:16,260
um without a fact uh kind of why that's

4526
03:16:16,260 --> 03:16:19,620
important for Grand County to I guess is

4527
03:16:19,620 --> 03:16:20,939
already touched on it so we're looking

4528
03:16:20,939 --> 03:16:22,620
at two of the different aquifers that

4529
03:16:22,620 --> 03:16:25,319
you guys rely on the Glen Canyon and the

4530
03:16:25,319 --> 03:16:28,140
valley fill looking at how surface water

4531
03:16:28,140 --> 03:16:30,000
is interacting with groundwater through

4532
03:16:30,000 --> 03:16:32,520
there and as we're building this water

4533
03:16:32,520 --> 03:16:35,160
budget that's specific to maps and

4534
03:16:35,160 --> 03:16:36,840
wetlands you know there are pieces of

4535
03:16:36,840 --> 03:16:39,300
that that are going to apply further

4536
03:16:39,300 --> 03:16:42,120
into Spanish Valley

4537
03:16:42,120 --> 03:16:43,140
um

4538
03:16:43,140 --> 03:16:46,080
so uh

4539
03:16:46,080 --> 03:16:48,840
there's maps in I need to start there so

4540
03:16:48,840 --> 03:16:50,880
here's our field area

4541
03:16:50,880 --> 03:16:52,920
um each of the orange dots on that map

4542
03:16:52,920 --> 03:16:57,120
are well each of the blue uh little X's

4543
03:16:57,120 --> 03:16:59,520
there crosses are a place where

4544
03:16:59,520 --> 03:17:01,800
monitoring surface water

4545
03:17:01,800 --> 03:17:03,479
um so we have really good coverage in

4546
03:17:03,479 --> 03:17:05,819
The Preserve uh groundwater flow through

4547
03:17:05,819 --> 03:17:07,500
this area is generally from the

4548
03:17:07,500 --> 03:17:11,000
southwest sorry Southeast to Northwest

4549
03:17:11,000 --> 03:17:13,620
flowing through

4550
03:17:13,620 --> 03:17:16,439
um and so we're watching the flow again

4551
03:17:16,439 --> 03:17:19,920
thinks that great spread of walls that

4552
03:17:19,920 --> 03:17:22,500
are already out

4553
03:17:22,500 --> 03:17:25,130
um you can

4554
03:17:25,140 --> 03:17:27,660
um all right uh so uh like I was saying

4555
03:17:27,660 --> 03:17:30,660
we're trying to watch for changes

4556
03:17:30,660 --> 03:17:32,460
um in flow rate coming from the springs

4557
03:17:32,460 --> 03:17:34,020
they sharing from that Glen canning

4558
03:17:34,020 --> 03:17:37,380
group so uh here's a just a little chart

4559
03:17:37,380 --> 03:17:38,880
that's showing some of the data points

4560
03:17:38,880 --> 03:17:40,859
that we've collected so far on Flow

4561
03:17:40,859 --> 03:17:42,180
rates

4562
03:17:42,180 --> 03:17:44,040
um the gray triangles are watercress

4563
03:17:44,040 --> 03:17:47,929
Springs Ranch

4564
03:17:47,939 --> 03:17:52,319
and then we have duck puddles North and

4565
03:17:52,319 --> 03:17:54,060
South which are two technically

4566
03:17:54,060 --> 03:17:57,240
horizontal Wells Facebook strings and

4567
03:17:57,240 --> 03:17:58,920
those were formerly called the water

4568
03:17:58,920 --> 03:18:01,140
park

4569
03:18:01,140 --> 03:18:04,500
great uh so on on the previous script

4570
03:18:04,500 --> 03:18:06,779
how many years was the horizontal ax oh

4571
03:18:06,779 --> 03:18:08,880
that was I think it's just over a year

4572
03:18:08,880 --> 03:18:16,610
it starts in uh September 21. so

4573
03:18:16,620 --> 03:18:19,859
uh so then my back like I said we have

4574
03:18:19,859 --> 03:18:21,779
all this infrastructure already in place

4575
03:18:21,779 --> 03:18:23,040
where we're able to monitor the

4576
03:18:23,040 --> 03:18:24,600
groundwater

4577
03:18:24,600 --> 03:18:26,520
um so we've placed pressure transducers

4578
03:18:26,520 --> 03:18:28,800
and uh basically every wall that we

4579
03:18:28,800 --> 03:18:29,819
could

4580
03:18:29,819 --> 03:18:31,380
um and then we take hand measurements

4581
03:18:31,380 --> 03:18:33,899
and the others about once a month

4582
03:18:33,899 --> 03:18:36,840
um the pressure transducers those wire

4583
03:18:36,840 --> 03:18:38,160
level measurements are giving you guys

4584
03:18:38,160 --> 03:18:39,779
an idea of how the groundwater is

4585
03:18:39,779 --> 03:18:41,760
fluctuating we can compare that with

4586
03:18:41,760 --> 03:18:43,859
things like you know what's happening to

4587
03:18:43,859 --> 03:18:46,740
the Colorado River at the same time

4588
03:18:46,740 --> 03:18:48,180
Etc

4589
03:18:48,180 --> 03:18:50,100
um one of the special things we have are

4590
03:18:50,100 --> 03:18:51,660
eight transducers that are also

4591
03:18:51,660 --> 03:18:54,720
measuring salinity though so that's what

4592
03:18:54,720 --> 03:18:56,580
these graphs are showing

4593
03:18:56,580 --> 03:18:59,460
um so the I think it's red yes Redline

4594
03:18:59,460 --> 03:19:02,819
is the salinity curve and the blue line

4595
03:19:02,819 --> 03:19:05,460
is the groundwater so we're seeing how

4596
03:19:05,460 --> 03:19:08,279
the salinity in the well is changing or

4597
03:19:08,279 --> 03:19:09,899
I think specific conductivity

4598
03:19:09,899 --> 03:19:12,060
technically here but um

4599
03:19:12,060 --> 03:19:14,640
for salinity uh

4600
03:19:14,640 --> 03:19:17,520
with the groundwater

4601
03:19:17,520 --> 03:19:18,899
thanks

4602
03:19:18,899 --> 03:19:22,140
uh all right so uh touching just back on

4603
03:19:22,140 --> 03:19:23,939
that brine layer

4604
03:19:23,939 --> 03:19:25,020
um

4605
03:19:25,020 --> 03:19:27,779
the origins of it are likely the Paradox

4606
03:19:27,779 --> 03:19:30,359
formation and that's kind of shown here

4607
03:19:30,359 --> 03:19:31,680
it's hard to see a little bit you can

4608
03:19:31,680 --> 03:19:34,160
kind of see the Colorado River flowing

4609
03:19:34,160 --> 03:19:37,500
across the top of the graphic there

4610
03:19:37,500 --> 03:19:40,800
um and then all the blue is that Glen

4611
03:19:40,800 --> 03:19:44,040
Canyon group sandstone and that's just

4612
03:19:44,040 --> 03:19:45,479
kind of saying like that's what's at the

4613
03:19:45,479 --> 03:19:48,359
surface for your Bedrock but that red is

4614
03:19:48,359 --> 03:19:50,939
where your surface bed rock is the

4615
03:19:50,939 --> 03:19:54,590
Paradox formation

4616
03:19:54,600 --> 03:19:56,520
likely stores will be doing chemical

4617
03:19:56,520 --> 03:19:59,630
analysis so

4618
03:19:59,640 --> 03:20:03,590
um

4619
03:20:03,600 --> 03:20:06,540
uh so to continue to get at that

4620
03:20:06,540 --> 03:20:10,020
grindler I'm really try to constrain its

4621
03:20:10,020 --> 03:20:12,420
location describe if it's fluctuating at

4622
03:20:12,420 --> 03:20:13,800
all

4623
03:20:13,800 --> 03:20:17,939
um we are looking at uh doing it or we

4624
03:20:17,939 --> 03:20:19,500
have already done uh some

4625
03:20:19,500 --> 03:20:22,080
electromagnetic induction logging and

4626
03:20:22,080 --> 03:20:24,120
that's where they go it's David O'Leary

4627
03:20:24,120 --> 03:20:27,060
with USGS is working with us on this and

4628
03:20:27,060 --> 03:20:28,620
they actually put a probe down in the

4629
03:20:28,620 --> 03:20:30,359
wells and they're looking at resistivity

4630
03:20:30,359 --> 03:20:31,439
with death

4631
03:20:31,439 --> 03:20:33,960
how that's changing this is really

4632
03:20:33,960 --> 03:20:35,460
important for us because another way

4633
03:20:35,460 --> 03:20:37,380
that we're going to look at those

4634
03:20:37,380 --> 03:20:39,540
surface or you know the transition from

4635
03:20:39,540 --> 03:20:41,000
freshwater to brine

4636
03:20:41,000 --> 03:20:43,439
across the entire preserve is using

4637
03:20:43,439 --> 03:20:46,560
transient electromagnetic surveys a

4638
03:20:46,560 --> 03:20:48,960
whole mouthful but uh those are going to

4639
03:20:48,960 --> 03:20:51,000
give us this planar view these give us

4640
03:20:51,000 --> 03:20:52,979
points and we can use these points to

4641
03:20:52,979 --> 03:20:55,560
calibrate that plane that we're

4642
03:20:55,560 --> 03:20:57,240
developing

4643
03:20:57,240 --> 03:20:58,979
um so again sorry I'll just rush through

4644
03:20:58,979 --> 03:21:00,720
so you can go

4645
03:21:00,720 --> 03:21:03,660
uh so this is what are these are

4646
03:21:03,660 --> 03:21:05,220
examples of what the transient

4647
03:21:05,220 --> 03:21:08,220
electromagnetic surveys produce

4648
03:21:08,220 --> 03:21:11,939
um so kind of hard to see but the top

4649
03:21:11,939 --> 03:21:14,040
two images are in that plan view map

4650
03:21:14,040 --> 03:21:18,140
view so we have the resistivity

4651
03:21:18,140 --> 03:21:21,720
essentially from zero to five meters and

4652
03:21:21,720 --> 03:21:23,220
then you can see the difference between

4653
03:21:23,220 --> 03:21:24,899
that image and the one to the right

4654
03:21:24,899 --> 03:21:28,439
where it's at lower depth five to ten

4655
03:21:28,439 --> 03:21:29,520
meters deep

4656
03:21:29,520 --> 03:21:31,439
and then you can also develop cross

4657
03:21:31,439 --> 03:21:33,479
sections to show ing the change in

4658
03:21:33,479 --> 03:21:36,120
resistivity across a region in that

4659
03:21:36,120 --> 03:21:39,000
would have solved so again those are

4660
03:21:39,000 --> 03:21:40,920
just examples from elsewhere that's what

4661
03:21:40,920 --> 03:21:43,080
we'll be incorporating

4662
03:21:43,080 --> 03:21:45,180
um and like I said another bit is this

4663
03:21:45,180 --> 03:21:46,979
vegetation mapping and so again

4664
03:21:46,979 --> 03:21:49,399
everything we're doing is going to be

4665
03:21:49,399 --> 03:21:52,020
able to be repeated whether it's by us

4666
03:21:52,020 --> 03:21:54,439
or someone else down the line

4667
03:21:54,439 --> 03:21:59,100
so the vegetation mapping is going to be

4668
03:21:59,100 --> 03:22:01,800
using this National Wetlands inventory

4669
03:22:01,800 --> 03:22:05,760
kind of method uh just tweaked a little

4670
03:22:05,760 --> 03:22:08,120
bit for this area

4671
03:22:08,120 --> 03:22:12,479
it'll establish some baseline conditions

4672
03:22:12,479 --> 03:22:14,399
future look at how the vegetation might

4673
03:22:14,399 --> 03:22:15,800
have changed

4674
03:22:15,800 --> 03:22:18,359
it's also going to help us estimate

4675
03:22:18,359 --> 03:22:20,279
about what transpiration which is a big

4676
03:22:20,279 --> 03:22:22,859
part of that water

4677
03:22:22,859 --> 03:22:28,140
how much water you know being lost to ET

4678
03:22:28,140 --> 03:22:31,620
um and then they've already started oh

4679
03:22:31,620 --> 03:22:34,800
if you flip back just quick

4680
03:22:34,800 --> 03:22:37,319
uh so they have started doing some of

4681
03:22:37,319 --> 03:22:39,660
that mapping so the squiggles on that

4682
03:22:39,660 --> 03:22:42,479
map are lines that were delineated in

4683
03:22:42,479 --> 03:22:45,240
the 80s and so you can see they're

4684
03:22:45,240 --> 03:22:47,040
drawing lakes or ponds where there

4685
03:22:47,040 --> 03:22:49,380
aren't ponds anywhere necessarily and

4686
03:22:49,380 --> 03:22:51,660
then it's kind of hard to see but that

4687
03:22:51,660 --> 03:22:54,000
brown isn't land surface it's actually

4688
03:22:54,000 --> 03:22:57,960
showing like current canopy height which

4689
03:22:57,960 --> 03:23:05,150
is indicating that the Woody vegetation

4690
03:23:05,160 --> 03:23:07,920
all right uh so the fun part uh

4691
03:23:07,920 --> 03:23:12,239
budgeting uh so we're proposing

4692
03:23:12,239 --> 03:23:14,220
um to partner with Grand County on this

4693
03:23:14,220 --> 03:23:17,580
in addition to our other partners

4694
03:23:17,580 --> 03:23:20,700
um at a cost to Grant County of twenty

4695
03:23:20,700 --> 03:23:22,500
two thousand dollars

4696
03:23:22,500 --> 03:23:24,300
um that we would be matching and this is

4697
03:23:24,300 --> 03:23:27,779
just in addition to our existing budget

4698
03:23:27,779 --> 03:23:30,899
um so they're the total budget on there

4699
03:23:30,899 --> 03:23:35,220
for this fiscal year was 139 000

4700
03:23:35,220 --> 03:23:38,340
um and uh you know our partner total

4701
03:23:38,340 --> 03:23:42,420
right now of that would be 62 000 ugs

4702
03:23:42,420 --> 03:23:44,880
would be paying the rest

4703
03:23:44,880 --> 03:23:47,760
um and then we propose also for fiscal

4704
03:23:47,760 --> 03:23:49,979
year 24

4705
03:23:49,979 --> 03:23:52,020
um that Grant County's contribution

4706
03:23:52,020 --> 03:23:55,140
could be 12 000 again with me matching

4707
03:23:55,140 --> 03:23:58,309
that

4708
03:23:58,319 --> 03:24:02,279
um we could bump that all into a single

4709
03:24:02,279 --> 03:24:08,750
proposal too for you

4710
03:24:08,760 --> 03:24:13,870
who are those other offenders

4711
03:24:13,880 --> 03:24:17,160
I know but uh so it's the Colorado River

4712
03:24:17,160 --> 03:24:19,500
authority of Utah

4713
03:24:19,500 --> 03:24:21,060
um yeah so we have Colorado River

4714
03:24:21,060 --> 03:24:22,939
authority of Utah nature conservancy

4715
03:24:22,939 --> 03:24:31,070
Wildlife Resources water rights

4716
03:24:31,080 --> 03:24:33,950
oh

4717
03:24:33,960 --> 03:24:35,640
um you kind of touched on this as like

4718
03:24:35,640 --> 03:24:37,979
developing groundwater

4719
03:24:37,979 --> 03:24:40,439
or the water budget for the mathesons

4720
03:24:40,439 --> 03:24:43,200
but will this help us clarify kind of

4721
03:24:43,200 --> 03:24:46,670
that big question for

4722
03:24:46,680 --> 03:24:49,020
residents of Spanish Valley how much

4723
03:24:49,020 --> 03:24:50,100
water

4724
03:24:50,100 --> 03:24:51,600
do we have

4725
03:24:51,600 --> 03:24:53,640
here to use so does this help clarify

4726
03:24:53,640 --> 03:24:55,200
some of the discrepancies that were in

4727
03:24:55,200 --> 03:24:59,750
the other studies that have been done

4728
03:24:59,760 --> 03:25:03,479
I think it would be in addition to those

4729
03:25:03,479 --> 03:25:06,479
and I think there's an aspect of this

4730
03:25:06,479 --> 03:25:09,180
project I think there some of our

4731
03:25:09,180 --> 03:25:11,220
partners are hoping that this project

4732
03:25:11,220 --> 03:25:13,020
would expand

4733
03:25:13,020 --> 03:25:14,700
um and that's just I mean

4734
03:25:14,700 --> 03:25:16,460
out there

4735
03:25:16,460 --> 03:25:19,020
uh you know there are no specific plans

4736
03:25:19,020 --> 03:25:20,760
for that yet but um there have been

4737
03:25:20,760 --> 03:25:24,000
conversations and I think that

4738
03:25:24,000 --> 03:25:24,840
Factor

4739
03:25:24,840 --> 03:25:30,250
would be more

4740
03:25:30,260 --> 03:25:32,460
in that direction

4741
03:25:32,460 --> 03:25:35,819
I was out there I went out there with

4742
03:25:35,819 --> 03:25:37,319
the division and I think you were there

4743
03:25:37,319 --> 03:25:39,300
when the division was out there there

4744
03:25:39,300 --> 03:25:41,700
are also Hugh and so at least from my

4745
03:25:41,700 --> 03:25:44,399
memory of that meeting was more like the

4746
03:25:44,399 --> 03:25:46,739
concern of water in the wetlands for

4747
03:25:46,739 --> 03:25:48,899
wildlife for example

4748
03:25:48,899 --> 03:25:50,760
um but also I know

4749
03:25:50,760 --> 03:25:52,739
to expand on that brine layer a little

4750
03:25:52,739 --> 03:25:54,479
bit if my memory serves me there was

4751
03:25:54,479 --> 03:25:57,359
some concerns about we don't really

4752
03:25:57,359 --> 03:25:59,279
happening with that right there what

4753
03:25:59,279 --> 03:26:01,080
could happen with that Brian Mayer so

4754
03:26:01,080 --> 03:26:03,620
yeah maybe expand on that distance

4755
03:26:03,620 --> 03:26:08,040
so there are concerns that if

4756
03:26:08,040 --> 03:26:13,020
fresh wire availability changes that brine could fluctuate at which

4757
03:26:13,020 --> 03:26:14,779
point yes you'd see

4758
03:26:14,779 --> 03:26:18,000
possible impacts to the vegetation to

4759
03:26:18,000 --> 03:26:21,180
water quality and then you know possibly

4760
03:26:21,180 --> 03:26:26,090
salinating charts

4761
03:26:26,100 --> 03:26:28,920
it's my understanding the brine layer

4762
03:26:28,920 --> 03:26:30,779
could also threaten the cities water

4763
03:26:30,779 --> 03:26:33,000
rights and sources of water so I'm

4764
03:26:33,000 --> 03:26:34,859
curious whether the city is being

4765
03:26:34,859 --> 03:26:36,840
courted as a partner and where they are

4766
03:26:36,840 --> 03:26:40,610
on the with us

4767
03:26:40,620 --> 03:26:52,370
or am I wrong

4768
03:26:52,380 --> 03:26:55,340
so yeah nothing so far from the city hey

4769
03:26:55,340 --> 03:26:57,899
we're aware they have a lot of a lot

4770
03:26:57,899 --> 03:27:00,960
going on right

4771
03:27:00,960 --> 03:27:03,420
so regarding what you asked before so

4772
03:27:03,420 --> 03:27:05,279
yeah this is this will be a real major

4773
03:27:05,279 --> 03:27:08,640
refinement of part of what the USGS did

4774
03:27:08,640 --> 03:27:10,200
oh

4775
03:27:10,200 --> 03:27:12,899
the the wetlands are kind of the end

4776
03:27:12,899 --> 03:27:14,880
point of the groundwater system

4777
03:27:14,880 --> 03:27:18,359
in the valley and so

4778
03:27:18,359 --> 03:27:20,760
charge will reflect what's going on

4779
03:27:20,760 --> 03:27:25,020
upgrading in the rest and then we also

4780
03:27:25,020 --> 03:27:27,420
hope to are hoping to kind of provide

4781
03:27:27,420 --> 03:27:30,060
some tools for wildlife and the nation

4782
03:27:30,060 --> 03:27:32,279
for the long term

4783
03:27:32,279 --> 03:27:34,680
management of the health of that

4784
03:27:34,680 --> 03:27:37,920
preserved if their water supply is

4785
03:27:37,920 --> 03:27:40,200
decreasing they need to know how much

4786
03:27:40,200 --> 03:27:42,540
water they could put where to support

4787
03:27:42,540 --> 03:27:45,000
the critical vegetation that forms that

4788
03:27:45,000 --> 03:27:47,760
I know when we went there they were just

4789
03:27:47,760 --> 03:27:50,760
finishing that Nursery is that correct

4790
03:27:50,760 --> 03:27:54,000
for I can't remember what species yeah

4791
03:27:54,000 --> 03:27:56,700
right so they built a little

4792
03:27:56,700 --> 03:27:58,739
um kind of fry Nursery I don't know if

4793
03:27:58,739 --> 03:28:01,979
I'm saying that appropriately

4794
03:28:01,979 --> 03:28:05,160
yeah anyways so it's pretty cool but it

4795
03:28:05,160 --> 03:28:08,269
needs water

4796
03:28:08,279 --> 03:28:11,220
we monitor the flow right into that pond

4797
03:28:11,220 --> 03:28:12,779
as well yes

4798
03:28:12,779 --> 03:28:17,030
dispersed throughout there

4799
03:28:17,040 --> 03:28:19,260
so I guess my questions related to some

4800
03:28:19,260 --> 03:28:21,479
of these others but it seems like over

4801
03:28:21,479 --> 03:28:23,279
the last few years we

4802
03:28:23,279 --> 03:28:25,080
you know we've been asked to fund

4803
03:28:25,080 --> 03:28:29,279
various studies about groundwater which makes sense but I'm just not sure

4804
03:28:29,279 --> 03:28:31,100
how this one fits into the big picture

4805
03:28:31,100 --> 03:28:35,700
like is like if we you know suppose we only

4806
03:28:35,700 --> 03:28:37,140
had a hundred thousand dollars to spend

4807
03:28:37,140 --> 03:28:38,760
studying the aquifer is this where we

4808
03:28:38,760 --> 03:28:40,620
want to do it or is this really only

4809
03:28:40,620 --> 03:28:42,180
affect the wetlands and doesn't affect

4810
03:28:42,180 --> 03:28:45,889
our drinking water

4811
03:28:45,899 --> 03:28:48,060
I think well to me but of course you

4812
03:28:48,060 --> 03:28:50,460
know I'm a wildlife person I mean I

4813
03:28:50,460 --> 03:28:53,520
think it's a more hole is a contribution

4814
03:28:53,520 --> 03:28:55,439
to a wildfire for is this like

4815
03:28:55,439 --> 03:28:56,700
preserving our

4816
03:28:56,700 --> 03:28:59,640
I mean our water supply which which one

4817
03:28:59,640 --> 03:29:02,340
is it well I think Chrissy's point to I

4818
03:29:02,340 --> 03:29:08,809
mean

4819
03:29:08,819 --> 03:29:10,680
applications that it could be to

4820
03:29:10,680 --> 03:29:13,020
groundwater understandably it's the end

4821
03:29:13,020 --> 03:29:17,830
of the line but

4822
03:29:17,840 --> 03:29:20,120
about that

4823
03:29:20,120 --> 03:29:25,550
would like to contribute

4824
03:29:25,560 --> 03:29:30,670
right and have a yeah

4825
03:29:30,680 --> 03:29:35,530
go ahead Mark

4826
03:29:35,540 --> 03:29:38,580
is a uh so I appreciate what Catherine

4827
03:29:38,580 --> 03:29:40,680
and Hugo presented and they have done a

4828
03:29:40,680 --> 03:29:43,500
great job and we're excited about the

4829
03:29:43,500 --> 03:29:45,840
information they're Gathering and to

4830
03:29:45,840 --> 03:29:47,939
answer the question about how does this

4831
03:29:47,939 --> 03:29:50,640
help us understand the groundwater

4832
03:29:50,640 --> 03:29:52,800
rights and future development on those

4833
03:29:52,800 --> 03:29:55,979
rights it's a critically important piece

4834
03:29:55,979 --> 03:29:59,760
the 2019 USGS study was a big

4835
03:29:59,760 --> 03:30:01,500
comprehensive picture

4836
03:30:01,500 --> 03:30:04,319
that they didn't go into detail and they

4837
03:30:04,319 --> 03:30:06,000
left us with a lot of questions that

4838
03:30:06,000 --> 03:30:07,500
still need to be answered

4839
03:30:07,500 --> 03:30:09,420
and one of them is down around the

4840
03:30:09,420 --> 03:30:10,500
wetlands

4841
03:30:10,500 --> 03:30:12,359
so the water that's passing through the

4842
03:30:12,359 --> 03:30:14,220
wetlands currently

4843
03:30:14,220 --> 03:30:16,620
underneath and and coming back into the

4844
03:30:16,620 --> 03:30:18,720
bot into the end of Mill Creek

4845
03:30:18,720 --> 03:30:21,380
and into the wetlands itself

4846
03:30:21,380 --> 03:30:24,060
represents the water in the hydrologic

4847
03:30:24,060 --> 03:30:26,819
system that might still be available for

4848
03:30:26,819 --> 03:30:30,540
development by for instance Moab City or

4849
03:30:30,540 --> 03:30:33,720
groundwater or San Juan County

4850
03:30:33,720 --> 03:30:36,420
so understanding that Dynamic and

4851
03:30:36,420 --> 03:30:38,100
whether or not that water can be pulled

4852
03:30:38,100 --> 03:30:41,460
out without harming the wetlands is a

4853
03:30:41,460 --> 03:30:44,040
very critical piece of information that

4854
03:30:44,040 --> 03:30:45,000
we need

4855
03:30:45,000 --> 03:30:47,399
as you know applications come in front

4856
03:30:47,399 --> 03:30:50,760
of us and as development moves forward

4857
03:30:50,760 --> 03:30:54,540
in in Moab Spanish Valley so I hope that

4858
03:30:54,540 --> 03:30:56,460
helps

4859
03:30:56,460 --> 03:30:58,920
yeah I think that helps Mark thanks

4860
03:30:58,920 --> 03:31:04,510
how many years of data do you need mark

4861
03:31:04,520 --> 03:31:07,680
okay you know we want and that was one

4862
03:31:07,680 --> 03:31:10,380
of the important points that when we sat

4863
03:31:10,380 --> 03:31:12,479
down with ugs in the beginning is

4864
03:31:12,479 --> 03:31:15,479
there's been a lot of monitoring that's

4865
03:31:15,479 --> 03:31:17,340
been done in the wetlands in the past

4866
03:31:17,340 --> 03:31:18,840
but it was

4867
03:31:18,840 --> 03:31:22,859
it hasn't been sustained and so we asked

4868
03:31:22,859 --> 03:31:25,439
ugs that whatever they do they

4869
03:31:25,439 --> 03:31:27,420
incorporate it into a long-term

4870
03:31:27,420 --> 03:31:28,800
monitoring program

4871
03:31:28,800 --> 03:31:31,680
so that these wells will continue to be

4872
03:31:31,680 --> 03:31:34,800
monitored well past this study so it can

4873
03:31:34,800 --> 03:31:37,560
help inform our decisions going forward

4874
03:31:37,560 --> 03:31:39,720
and that that interaction between that

4875
03:31:39,720 --> 03:31:42,660
freshwater layer and the brine layer is

4876
03:31:42,660 --> 03:31:45,960
poorly understood and and Tom who's your

4877
03:31:45,960 --> 03:31:47,880
next presenter is going to talk about

4878
03:31:47,880 --> 03:31:49,620
trying to get a better understanding of

4879
03:31:49,620 --> 03:31:52,140
that it's obviously

4880
03:31:52,140 --> 03:31:54,120
uh the wetlands are an important piece

4881
03:31:54,120 --> 03:31:56,040
of moab's identity

4882
03:31:56,040 --> 03:31:57,359
and

4883
03:31:57,359 --> 03:32:01,439
we'd like to do the best we can to make

4884
03:32:01,439 --> 03:32:03,479
sure that as we look at decisions

4885
03:32:03,479 --> 03:32:05,340
regarding water rights

4886
03:32:05,340 --> 03:32:08,640
that we we take those

4887
03:32:08,640 --> 03:32:11,580
um important points into consideration

4888
03:32:11,580 --> 03:32:13,979
and and to do that we just need better

4889
03:32:13,979 --> 03:32:16,620
and more data which is which is then

4890
03:32:16,620 --> 03:32:19,080
which is the point of this study

4891
03:32:19,080 --> 03:32:21,180
so in summary then it sounds like you're

4892
03:32:21,180 --> 03:32:23,700
saying that Grant County's got you know

4893
03:32:23,700 --> 03:32:25,680
some limited moderate budget to spend on

4894
03:32:25,680 --> 03:32:27,540
better understanding our water supply

4895
03:32:27,540 --> 03:32:29,220
this will be a good place to spend that

4896
03:32:29,220 --> 03:32:30,319
money

4897
03:32:30,319 --> 03:32:36,180
absolutely yep yeah there's three critical areas in Moab

4898
03:32:36,180 --> 03:32:37,979
Spanish Valley that we identified as

4899
03:32:37,979 --> 03:32:40,800
needing more research the wetlands area

4900
03:32:40,800 --> 03:32:43,500
the area around the golf course

4901
03:32:43,500 --> 03:32:46,439
and the area up around Ken's Lake

4902
03:32:46,439 --> 03:32:48,420
so we've started down at

4903
03:32:48,420 --> 03:32:50,880
the wetlands and we hope in the future

4904
03:32:50,880 --> 03:32:55,729
to look at these other two areas as well

4905
03:32:55,739 --> 03:32:58,200
um we can talk more about the budget and

4906
03:32:58,200 --> 03:32:59,640
the actual funding of this during the

4907
03:32:59,640 --> 03:33:01,319
action items

4908
03:33:01,319 --> 03:33:02,640
um and just leave those up for

4909
03:33:02,640 --> 03:33:04,380
presentation but those action items are

4910
03:33:04,380 --> 03:33:12,290
coming okay yeah great thanks sir

4911
03:33:12,300 --> 03:33:17,870
movement forward he gave me

4912
03:33:17,880 --> 03:33:19,920
all right thank you so much thank you

4913
03:33:19,920 --> 03:33:22,020
yeah thank you very much much

4914
03:33:22,020 --> 03:33:28,309
appreciated

4915
03:33:28,319 --> 03:33:30,899
all right our next uh report or

4916
03:33:30,899 --> 03:33:32,700
presentation I'm sorry is uh Colorado

4917
03:33:32,700 --> 03:33:34,560
River in maths and wetlands salinity

4918
03:33:34,560 --> 03:33:37,200
study proposal uh Tom Marston

4919
03:33:37,200 --> 03:33:40,319
investigations Chief with the USGS Utah

4920
03:33:40,319 --> 03:33:41,700
water science center

4921
03:33:41,700 --> 03:33:44,510
yeah

4922
03:33:44,520 --> 03:33:46,620
hello everybody

4923
03:33:46,620 --> 03:33:53,990
um clearly

4924
03:33:54,000 --> 03:33:56,819
yeah as you said my name is Tom Marston

4925
03:33:56,819 --> 03:33:59,880
um with USPS water science center an

4926
03:33:59,880 --> 03:34:01,680
investigation is about here in public

4927
03:34:01,680 --> 03:34:05,950
city sorry I can't either way

4928
03:34:05,960 --> 03:34:09,420
actually Tom you're uh yeah your sound

4929
03:34:09,420 --> 03:34:11,939
is coming across garbles a little bit

4930
03:34:11,939 --> 03:34:18,729
thank you hey I wondered

4931
03:34:18,739 --> 03:34:20,939
as well

4932
03:34:20,939 --> 03:34:39,050
people

4933
03:34:39,060 --> 03:34:40,560
sounds like your connection might be

4934
03:34:40,560 --> 03:34:52,190
just a little bit slow

4935
03:34:52,200 --> 03:34:53,640
really

4936
03:34:53,640 --> 03:35:04,550
yeah

4937
03:35:04,560 --> 03:35:12,469
okay

4938
03:35:12,479 --> 03:35:16,020
you have a pretty severe echo in there

4939
03:35:16,020 --> 03:35:23,450
yeah turn off your computer speaker

4940
03:35:23,460 --> 03:35:25,380
I'm out now

4941
03:35:25,380 --> 03:35:28,790
yeah that's better

4942
03:35:28,800 --> 03:35:31,550
okay

4943
03:35:31,560 --> 03:35:36,830
my name is

4944
03:35:36,840 --> 03:35:38,819
I'm getting still some pretty bad

4945
03:35:38,819 --> 03:35:41,520
feedback in there

4946
03:35:41,520 --> 03:35:46,910
that sounded better

4947
03:35:46,920 --> 03:35:48,899
okay

4948
03:35:48,899 --> 03:35:52,429
let me investigations

4949
03:35:52,439 --> 03:36:00,010
um

4950
03:36:00,020 --> 03:36:04,200
you have to mute the presentation while

4951
03:36:04,200 --> 03:36:07,570
you're speaking

4952
03:36:07,580 --> 03:36:11,760
right right yeah try to mute your mic on your

4953
03:36:11,760 --> 03:36:13,200
computer and just use your android

4954
03:36:13,200 --> 03:36:19,070
computer speaker

4955
03:36:19,080 --> 03:36:21,660
sorry that was that's me that was doing

4956
03:36:21,660 --> 03:36:24,239
that you're right

4957
03:36:24,239 --> 03:36:29,450
sorry technical that's better

4958
03:36:29,460 --> 03:36:30,960
okay

4959
03:36:30,960 --> 03:36:34,260
um yeah no I am the USGS liaison of the

4960
03:36:34,260 --> 03:36:36,120
Colorado River salinity control Forum as

4961
03:36:36,120 --> 03:36:37,859
well as the investigations Chief in Salt

4962
03:36:37,859 --> 03:36:39,120
Lake City

4963
03:36:39,120 --> 03:36:41,220
um and I will I will represent both

4964
03:36:41,220 --> 03:36:43,140
functions um today

4965
03:36:43,140 --> 03:36:43,979
um

4966
03:36:43,979 --> 03:36:47,640
in terms of of the interest and and what

4967
03:36:47,640 --> 03:36:50,520
I've am going to present and propose

4968
03:36:50,520 --> 03:37:02,150
um let me share my screen real quick

4969
03:37:02,160 --> 03:37:05,060
so as mentioned before uh by the Utah

4970
03:37:05,060 --> 03:37:07,380
Geological Survey

4971
03:37:07,380 --> 03:37:09,060
um

4972
03:37:09,060 --> 03:37:11,760
The Brines that have exist in Spanish

4973
03:37:11,760 --> 03:37:15,359
Valley have been known for quite a while

4974
03:37:15,359 --> 03:37:18,060
um they've been sampled and studied now

4975
03:37:18,060 --> 03:37:20,700
for for several decades and

4976
03:37:20,700 --> 03:37:21,979
um

4977
03:37:21,979 --> 03:37:25,920
and their overall impact uh

4978
03:37:25,920 --> 03:37:29,580
on specifically the Colorado River have

4979
03:37:29,580 --> 03:37:31,819
always been of interest to various

4980
03:37:31,819 --> 03:37:34,439
groups in the region

4981
03:37:34,439 --> 03:37:37,439
and there's been various efforts uh

4982
03:37:37,439 --> 03:37:40,140
across the years that have looked at

4983
03:37:40,140 --> 03:37:40,859
um

4984
03:37:40,859 --> 03:37:43,020
that interface between the alluvial

4985
03:37:43,020 --> 03:37:49,080
aquifers the freshwater aquifer and the high salinity brine associated

4986
03:37:49,080 --> 03:37:50,580
with the Paradox formation that

4987
03:37:50,580 --> 03:37:52,200
underlies it

4988
03:37:52,200 --> 03:37:54,720
um as you can see in this figure this is

4989
03:37:54,720 --> 03:37:57,600
a figure that's from a master's thesis

4990
03:37:57,600 --> 03:38:00,239
uh completed in the at the University of

4991
03:38:00,239 --> 03:38:04,080
Utah recently by Nora Nelson uh we find

4992
03:38:04,080 --> 03:38:06,960
the the highest concentration of uh

4993
03:38:06,960 --> 03:38:09,180
brines in Shallow Wells here in the

4994
03:38:09,180 --> 03:38:11,700
north uh West portion of the wetlands as

4995
03:38:11,700 --> 03:38:15,120
you get closer uh to the Colorado River

4996
03:38:15,120 --> 03:38:15,779
um

4997
03:38:15,779 --> 03:38:19,500
and in a very focused uh portion of the

4998
03:38:19,500 --> 03:38:21,899
bank here just north of where Mill Creek

4999
03:38:21,899 --> 03:38:25,319
discharges into the Colorado River

5000
03:38:25,319 --> 03:38:27,710
um

5001
03:38:27,720 --> 03:38:29,819
as I said before

5002
03:38:29,819 --> 03:38:32,040
um the salinity control Forum has funded

5003
03:38:32,040 --> 03:38:35,520
uh numerous studies looking at uh salt

5004
03:38:35,520 --> 03:38:38,640
loading in the Colorado River

5005
03:38:38,640 --> 03:38:40,560
um essentially in the whole upper Basin

5006
03:38:40,560 --> 03:38:42,359
of the Colorado River one of one such

5007
03:38:42,359 --> 03:38:44,220
study that was completed in the in the

5008
03:38:44,220 --> 03:38:48,000
early 2000s was to conduct a water

5009
03:38:48,000 --> 03:38:49,920
quality synoptic

5010
03:38:49,920 --> 03:38:53,580
um or a series of sampling events down

5011
03:38:53,580 --> 03:38:57,239
river at a similar discharge to look at

5012
03:38:57,239 --> 03:38:59,220
Salt loading As you move down through

5013
03:38:59,220 --> 03:39:02,760
the system and so this study was

5014
03:39:02,760 --> 03:39:05,120
published in 2014

5015
03:39:05,120 --> 03:39:08,760
what they found in this study which is

5016
03:39:08,760 --> 03:39:11,819
shown in was not done all at one period

5017
03:39:11,819 --> 03:39:13,560
in time just because floating the river

5018
03:39:13,560 --> 03:39:17,040
takes time and sampling is rigorous

5019
03:39:17,040 --> 03:39:19,680
but as you move down through

5020
03:39:19,680 --> 03:39:21,060
um the area

5021
03:39:21,060 --> 03:39:24,120
considered the Moab Valley Anna Klein on

5022
03:39:24,120 --> 03:39:26,700
through past Mill Creek towards the Cane

5023
03:39:26,700 --> 03:39:29,640
Creek Cane Creek and a plane we didn't

5024
03:39:29,640 --> 03:39:32,939
see a huge uh rise in dissolved solid

5025
03:39:32,939 --> 03:39:34,380
loads

5026
03:39:34,380 --> 03:39:35,160
um

5027
03:39:35,160 --> 03:39:37,920
which at the at the time of the Forum

5028
03:39:37,920 --> 03:39:40,680
was comfortable uh not doing too much

5029
03:39:40,680 --> 03:39:43,739
more investigation uh based on these

5030
03:39:43,739 --> 03:39:45,479
findings

5031
03:39:45,479 --> 03:39:48,359
essentially compartmentalizing this with

5032
03:39:48,359 --> 03:39:50,520
a result of the Spanish Valley that was

5033
03:39:50,520 --> 03:39:52,979
not contributing a whole lot of of salt

5034
03:39:52,979 --> 03:39:55,140
to the river

5035
03:39:55,140 --> 03:39:56,160
um

5036
03:39:56,160 --> 03:39:59,160
here as of recent with the long-term

5037
03:39:59,160 --> 03:40:01,880
drought uh that we've been uh

5038
03:40:01,880 --> 03:40:04,080
experiencing in the in the upper Basin

5039
03:40:04,080 --> 03:40:07,500
the Colorado River is has reached some

5040
03:40:07,500 --> 03:40:10,560
near-record uh low flows uh especially

5041
03:40:10,560 --> 03:40:12,540
over this last

5042
03:40:12,540 --> 03:40:13,560
um

5043
03:40:13,560 --> 03:40:14,760
winter

5044
03:40:14,760 --> 03:40:17,340
and our office saw this as an

5045
03:40:17,340 --> 03:40:18,500
opportunity

5046
03:40:18,500 --> 03:40:21,479
to go and Sample at an extremely low

5047
03:40:21,479 --> 03:40:24,060
flow in the Colorado River

5048
03:40:24,060 --> 03:40:26,399
with the the idea that this would give

5049
03:40:26,399 --> 03:40:29,640
us the best chance of seeing

5050
03:40:29,640 --> 03:40:32,160
um any salt that was derived from the

5051
03:40:32,160 --> 03:40:35,399
Paradox formation brines discharging

5052
03:40:35,399 --> 03:40:37,620
into the Colorado River and so uh Chris

5053
03:40:37,620 --> 03:40:39,540
Bukowski and his team went out and

5054
03:40:39,540 --> 03:40:42,479
sampled in March earlier this year when

5055
03:40:42,479 --> 03:40:45,359
the river was discharging at 2400 cubic

5056
03:40:45,359 --> 03:40:47,640
feet per second at Cisco

5057
03:40:47,640 --> 03:40:50,279
um and this was just an ad hoc type of a

5058
03:40:50,279 --> 03:40:52,800
an exercise with a

5059
03:40:52,800 --> 03:40:55,739
um a water quality Sun mounted to a

5060
03:40:55,739 --> 03:40:58,220
weighted troll

5061
03:40:58,220 --> 03:41:02,340
and we essentially were out fishing for

5062
03:41:02,340 --> 03:41:03,660
salt

5063
03:41:03,660 --> 03:41:04,560
um

5064
03:41:04,560 --> 03:41:06,239
and

5065
03:41:06,239 --> 03:41:08,580
what we the way that we kind of targeted

5066
03:41:08,580 --> 03:41:12,779
our our ad hoc sampling was to use data

5067
03:41:12,779 --> 03:41:15,960
that was produced by Phil Gardner

5068
03:41:15,960 --> 03:41:17,640
um more than a decade ago in his

5069
03:41:17,640 --> 03:41:20,760
master's thesis that identified areas he

5070
03:41:20,760 --> 03:41:23,580
felt would be hot spots where uh Brian

5071
03:41:23,580 --> 03:41:25,500
would potentially be discharging into

5072
03:41:25,500 --> 03:41:27,720
the river and those were shown here on

5073
03:41:27,720 --> 03:41:29,840
the figure there was also

5074
03:41:29,840 --> 03:41:32,040
electromagnetic induction studies that

5075
03:41:32,040 --> 03:41:34,319
were that were done uh with this past

5076
03:41:34,319 --> 03:41:37,260
USGS study that identified this section

5077
03:41:37,260 --> 03:41:39,540
of the bank of the Colorado River as a

5078
03:41:39,540 --> 03:41:41,340
potential hot spot for where Brian may

5079
03:41:41,340 --> 03:41:44,220
be discharging into the river

5080
03:41:44,220 --> 03:41:46,200
and so Chris really kind of went out and

5081
03:41:46,200 --> 03:41:48,540
targeted those areas uh with Point

5082
03:41:48,540 --> 03:41:50,819
measurements and these uh measurements

5083
03:41:50,819 --> 03:41:52,739
this is just a Google Earth image

5084
03:41:52,739 --> 03:41:55,500
um with uh specific conductance

5085
03:41:55,500 --> 03:41:59,520
um results uh plotted on on the map

5086
03:41:59,520 --> 03:42:01,380
um as you come into the valley the the

5087
03:42:01,380 --> 03:42:04,140
river uh has a conductive signature

5088
03:42:04,140 --> 03:42:07,220
around 1440 micro Siemens per Center

5089
03:42:07,220 --> 03:42:10,439
centimeter obviously there's some error

5090
03:42:10,439 --> 03:42:11,960
associated with

5091
03:42:11,960 --> 03:42:15,420
environmental sampling there's a scatter

5092
03:42:15,420 --> 03:42:17,100
here but for the most part these are

5093
03:42:17,100 --> 03:42:19,800
very consistent specific conductance

5094
03:42:19,800 --> 03:42:21,300
readings all down through this section

5095
03:42:21,300 --> 03:42:25,439
of the river and as you approach this bank that was identified by the

5096
03:42:25,439 --> 03:42:27,380
electromagnetic inductance

5097
03:42:27,380 --> 03:42:32,830
studies uh Chris was able to

5098
03:42:32,840 --> 03:42:34,939
very uh

5099
03:42:34,939 --> 03:42:38,760
positively identify areas of the river

5100
03:42:38,760 --> 03:42:42,180
that were impacted by uh salt discharge

5101
03:42:42,180 --> 03:42:44,819
from uh the brine layer of the masses

5102
03:42:44,819 --> 03:42:47,580
and wetlands these um were persistent

5103
03:42:47,580 --> 03:42:51,000
for uh the whole height of the water

5104
03:42:51,000 --> 03:42:54,899
column on the Moab Bank of the river

5105
03:42:54,899 --> 03:42:57,180
um and we're persistent all the way down

5106
03:42:57,180 --> 03:42:59,700
through the Confluence with with Mill

5107
03:42:59,700 --> 03:43:02,340
Creek he also took some

5108
03:43:02,340 --> 03:43:06,540
um readings in the River Post Spanish

5109
03:43:06,540 --> 03:43:09,000
Valley down here near the portal

5110
03:43:09,000 --> 03:43:11,580
um and we see uh specific conductance

5111
03:43:11,580 --> 03:43:14,460
values elevated uh essentially 10

5112
03:43:14,460 --> 03:43:16,979
microsiemens uh per centimeter or more

5113
03:43:16,979 --> 03:43:20,640
above what is coming into the valley now

5114
03:43:20,640 --> 03:43:23,220
those you know those values seem you

5115
03:43:23,220 --> 03:43:25,800
know not very large

5116
03:43:25,800 --> 03:43:30,359
um but the the the load uh of salt

5117
03:43:30,359 --> 03:43:34,500
required to raise uh 2500 cubic feet per

5118
03:43:34,500 --> 03:43:37,380
second essentially 10 Micro Siemens per

5119
03:43:37,380 --> 03:43:40,319
centimeter is not insignificant

5120
03:43:40,319 --> 03:43:42,560
um and so this this finding is of of

5121
03:43:42,560 --> 03:43:46,380
concern uh to various users uh in the

5122
03:43:46,380 --> 03:43:48,300
region uh specifically those who

5123
03:43:48,300 --> 03:43:49,800
participate in the Colorado River

5124
03:43:49,800 --> 03:43:53,269
salinity control program

5125
03:43:53,279 --> 03:43:54,779
and this is just a more zoomed in

5126
03:43:54,779 --> 03:43:56,819
version of the previous

5127
03:43:56,819 --> 03:43:58,680
um study or a previous

5128
03:43:58,680 --> 03:43:59,819
um slide

5129
03:43:59,819 --> 03:44:01,319
and so

5130
03:44:01,319 --> 03:44:03,840
part of this uh proposed work is to go

5131
03:44:03,840 --> 03:44:06,120
and actually do a quantitative measure

5132
03:44:06,120 --> 03:44:07,620
of load

5133
03:44:07,620 --> 03:44:09,359
um essentially replicate what Chris did

5134
03:44:09,359 --> 03:44:12,060
in a much more rigorous way to actually

5135
03:44:12,060 --> 03:44:14,100
calculate what the

5136
03:44:14,100 --> 03:44:17,600
total load at low flow

5137
03:44:17,600 --> 03:44:19,859
contribution of the Spanish Valley

5138
03:44:19,859 --> 03:44:22,200
brines is to the river

5139
03:44:22,200 --> 03:44:23,100
um

5140
03:44:23,100 --> 03:44:25,080
that's of interest to The Forum and I

5141
03:44:25,080 --> 03:44:26,520
think it's of interest to many other

5142
03:44:26,520 --> 03:44:29,040
parties in addition to that the part of

5143
03:44:29,040 --> 03:44:32,399
this proposal is to better uh is

5144
03:44:32,399 --> 03:44:35,580
essentially fill data gaps identified by

5145
03:44:35,580 --> 03:44:39,239
the Utah Geological Survey with their

5146
03:44:39,239 --> 03:44:40,700
study

5147
03:44:40,700 --> 03:44:43,620
and these polygons were produced by Utah

5148
03:44:43,620 --> 03:44:47,399
Geological Survey as areas that could

5149
03:44:47,399 --> 03:44:49,140
should be expanded in terms of

5150
03:44:49,140 --> 03:44:51,479
additional monitoring Wells that should

5151
03:44:51,479 --> 03:44:54,260
be installed in these areas

5152
03:44:54,260 --> 03:44:56,819
to better refine their monitoring

5153
03:44:56,819 --> 03:44:59,760
program as well as for us to better

5154
03:44:59,760 --> 03:45:02,040
understand the surface of the of the

5155
03:45:02,040 --> 03:45:04,100
freshwater brine interface

5156
03:45:04,100 --> 03:45:06,600
based on the work that I just showed we

5157
03:45:06,600 --> 03:45:08,340
would probably want additional wells in

5158
03:45:08,340 --> 03:45:12,120
this area down here where we know based

5159
03:45:12,120 --> 03:45:14,520
on Chris rockowski's work that we have a

5160
03:45:14,520 --> 03:45:18,889
discharge of Brian into the river

5161
03:45:18,899 --> 03:45:19,680
um

5162
03:45:19,680 --> 03:45:21,960
you've been this uh distributed The

5163
03:45:21,960 --> 03:45:24,479
Proposal that I've been working on

5164
03:45:24,479 --> 03:45:26,520
um here for the last eight or nine

5165
03:45:26,520 --> 03:45:28,500
months I presented

5166
03:45:28,500 --> 03:45:30,660
um this to various

5167
03:45:30,660 --> 03:45:32,819
user groups in the area the more on very

5168
03:45:32,819 --> 03:45:34,979
water partnership city

5169
03:45:34,979 --> 03:45:37,560
um and now the county

5170
03:45:37,560 --> 03:45:41,100
um this is a Cooperative lease uh funded

5171
03:45:41,100 --> 03:45:43,680
proposal

5172
03:45:43,680 --> 03:45:47,100
um with half of well roughly half of the

5173
03:45:47,100 --> 03:45:50,399
uh the proposed amount being funded by

5174
03:45:50,399 --> 03:45:53,880
the uh salinity control program via a

5175
03:45:53,880 --> 03:45:55,800
bureau of wreck that shows up here is

5176
03:45:55,800 --> 03:45:59,160
the 60 67 500.

5177
03:45:59,160 --> 03:46:02,580
um with uh the other half being split

5178
03:46:02,580 --> 03:46:06,000
between the USGS and a conglomerate of

5179
03:46:06,000 --> 03:46:10,020
Utah State Cooperators specifically the

5180
03:46:10,020 --> 03:46:13,500
Utah State Engineers office as well as

5181
03:46:13,500 --> 03:46:15,720
Water Resources

5182
03:46:15,720 --> 03:46:17,220
so that's 45

5183
03:46:17,220 --> 03:46:21,239
000 is the total that would be

5184
03:46:21,239 --> 03:46:23,040
um split between the Utah Cooperative

5185
03:46:23,040 --> 03:46:25,500
agencies

5186
03:46:25,500 --> 03:46:27,779
um the second part of it to drill all

5187
03:46:27,779 --> 03:46:29,700
the monitoring Wells

5188
03:46:29,700 --> 03:46:33,439
um there's also a small scale pump test

5189
03:46:33,439 --> 03:46:36,479
associated with the new wells

5190
03:46:36,479 --> 03:46:39,660
the pump test is designed to expand the

5191
03:46:39,660 --> 03:46:42,239
understanding that we have the Utah

5192
03:46:42,239 --> 03:46:45,300
Geological Survey has been working on to

5193
03:46:45,300 --> 03:46:47,760
essentially see how susceptible the

5194
03:46:47,760 --> 03:46:50,420
freshwater brine interface is to

5195
03:46:50,420 --> 03:46:53,399
dewatering of the freshwater aquifer

5196
03:46:53,399 --> 03:46:56,279
above it so it would be a very small

5197
03:46:56,279 --> 03:46:58,200
scale test to look at that relationship

5198
03:46:58,200 --> 03:47:01,560
but that would be included in this cost

5199
03:47:01,560 --> 03:47:18,710
and with that I'll take questions

5200
03:47:18,720 --> 03:47:20,040
um can you talk a little bit more about

5201
03:47:20,040 --> 03:47:23,520
the pump test I am what what does that

5202
03:47:23,520 --> 03:47:27,290
look like and what does it tell us

5203
03:47:27,300 --> 03:47:28,979
well the pump test would essentially

5204
03:47:28,979 --> 03:47:32,040
just be so we would uh Place one of

5205
03:47:32,040 --> 03:47:34,920
these monitoring the new monitoring uh

5206
03:47:34,920 --> 03:47:37,260
sites that would be drilled near an

5207
03:47:37,260 --> 03:47:39,899
existing monitoring Network or a

5208
03:47:39,899 --> 03:47:44,760
monitoring well so that we could look at

5209
03:47:44,760 --> 03:47:47,040
um I mean the original proposal was to

5210
03:47:47,040 --> 03:47:49,260
do this at a much larger scale

5211
03:47:49,260 --> 03:47:51,120
um there's a lot of red tape associated

5212
03:47:51,120 --> 03:47:53,340
with doing a large scale pump test as

5213
03:47:53,340 --> 03:47:55,620
well as environmental concerns that

5214
03:47:55,620 --> 03:47:57,420
close to Wetlands

5215
03:47:57,420 --> 03:47:58,680
um and so we

5216
03:47:58,680 --> 03:48:01,859
um we throttled that back a little bit

5217
03:48:01,859 --> 03:48:04,080
um to not have to to deal with that in

5218
03:48:04,080 --> 03:48:06,479
the on the front go of this but

5219
03:48:06,479 --> 03:48:09,960
essentially dewatering if

5220
03:48:09,960 --> 03:48:12,439
how this interface

5221
03:48:12,439 --> 03:48:16,739
changes uh relative to how much fresh

5222
03:48:16,739 --> 03:48:20,210
water uh

5223
03:48:20,220 --> 03:48:22,979
how much fresh groundwater sits above

5224
03:48:22,979 --> 03:48:24,960
the brine is unknown

5225
03:48:24,960 --> 03:48:26,460
this is the

5226
03:48:26,460 --> 03:48:27,479
uh

5227
03:48:27,479 --> 03:48:31,200
piece of of all of this work that our

5228
03:48:31,200 --> 03:48:34,560
office did as well as ugs has done that

5229
03:48:34,560 --> 03:48:37,680
is really unknown and makes uh some

5230
03:48:37,680 --> 03:48:40,500
folks a little uneasy that it

5231
03:48:40,500 --> 03:48:42,600
if fresh water consumption

5232
03:48:42,600 --> 03:48:45,180
um in the valley were to increase would

5233
03:48:45,180 --> 03:48:47,939
that change the elevation of the

5234
03:48:47,939 --> 03:48:50,040
freshwater brine interface in the in the

5235
03:48:50,040 --> 03:48:54,060
wetlands and with that change in in

5236
03:48:54,060 --> 03:48:56,880
elevation uh an increased discharge of

5237
03:48:56,880 --> 03:48:58,859
Brian into the river so the pump test is

5238
03:48:58,859 --> 03:49:01,979
supposed to mimic that phenomenon on a

5239
03:49:01,979 --> 03:49:04,670
small scale

5240
03:49:04,680 --> 03:49:15,110
thank you

5241
03:49:15,120 --> 03:49:18,600
so this uh proposal really is goes to um

5242
03:49:18,600 --> 03:49:20,040
look at the salinity levels in the

5243
03:49:20,040 --> 03:49:21,600
Colorado more than anything else where's

5244
03:49:21,600 --> 03:49:23,520
the other one is does that make sense

5245
03:49:23,520 --> 03:49:24,600
Mary

5246
03:49:24,600 --> 03:49:28,010
yeah

5247
03:49:28,020 --> 03:49:30,000
it's both because well there's also is

5248
03:49:30,000 --> 03:49:31,739
that five new one new monitoring Wells

5249
03:49:31,739 --> 03:49:34,550
that would

5250
03:49:34,560 --> 03:49:37,319
that which we make the logo match

5251
03:49:37,319 --> 03:49:39,540
correct

5252
03:49:39,540 --> 03:49:42,120
and would those have long-term data

5253
03:49:42,120 --> 03:49:43,439
collections

5254
03:49:43,439 --> 03:49:45,479
associated

5255
03:49:45,479 --> 03:49:48,840
they would be added to the ugf network

5256
03:49:48,840 --> 03:49:50,279
um

5257
03:49:50,279 --> 03:49:54,779
and for as long as ugs plans to monitor

5258
03:49:54,779 --> 03:49:58,380
them I do I can say this on behalf of

5259
03:49:58,380 --> 03:49:59,760
the Forum

5260
03:49:59,760 --> 03:50:02,100
um they themselves are very interested

5261
03:50:02,100 --> 03:50:04,020
in the long-term monitoring program

5262
03:50:04,020 --> 03:50:07,260
associated with this

5263
03:50:07,260 --> 03:50:09,660
so this would dovetail with the ugs

5264
03:50:09,660 --> 03:50:11,040
study

5265
03:50:11,040 --> 03:50:14,399
and correct expand it sounds like so it

5266
03:50:14,399 --> 03:50:19,130
does they do

5267
03:50:19,140 --> 03:50:22,800
and Mark would you chime in here or is

5268
03:50:22,800 --> 03:50:25,439
are is your office gonna participate in

5269
03:50:25,439 --> 03:50:27,720
the co-op match

5270
03:50:27,720 --> 03:50:30,720
we are encouraging them to yes

5271
03:50:30,720 --> 03:50:32,640
um I would like to see our office put

5272
03:50:32,640 --> 03:50:34,380
some money into this we're stretched

5273
03:50:34,380 --> 03:50:36,180
pretty thin right now but we're

5274
03:50:36,180 --> 03:50:38,939
continuing to advocate for it

5275
03:50:38,939 --> 03:50:42,060
um what Thomas proposed is again goes to

5276
03:50:42,060 --> 03:50:44,220
the heart of the question if we develop

5277
03:50:44,220 --> 03:50:45,779
more fresh water

5278
03:50:45,779 --> 03:50:48,720
groundwater up the valley is it going to

5279
03:50:48,720 --> 03:50:50,520
somehow impact

5280
03:50:50,520 --> 03:50:53,640
the wetlands you know if we remove more

5281
03:50:53,640 --> 03:50:55,859
of the freshwater layer

5282
03:50:55,859 --> 03:50:57,600
that's sitting on top of the brine

5283
03:50:57,600 --> 03:50:59,220
what's going to happen well we don't

5284
03:50:59,220 --> 03:51:01,200
know the answer to that question

5285
03:51:01,200 --> 03:51:03,359
and so that's what we're trying to get

5286
03:51:03,359 --> 03:51:06,960
at with these type of studies

5287
03:51:06,960 --> 03:51:09,060
um this is an important question to

5288
03:51:09,060 --> 03:51:11,040
answer for both Moab City Grand county

5289
03:51:11,040 --> 03:51:13,500
and San Juan County there's a limited

5290
03:51:13,500 --> 03:51:15,779
amount of groundwater left to use

5291
03:51:15,779 --> 03:51:17,340
and

5292
03:51:17,340 --> 03:51:21,420
if the major water users stakeholders in

5293
03:51:21,420 --> 03:51:23,399
the in the valley want to continue to

5294
03:51:23,399 --> 03:51:24,960
develop it

5295
03:51:24,960 --> 03:51:27,720
we would like to do so in a in a manner

5296
03:51:27,720 --> 03:51:28,800
that doesn't

5297
03:51:28,800 --> 03:51:31,319
negatively impact

5298
03:51:31,319 --> 03:51:34,020
the wetlands and other water users and

5299
03:51:34,020 --> 03:51:36,840
the Colorado River for that matter too

5300
03:51:36,840 --> 03:51:41,100
yeah Mary uh how long do these studies

5301
03:51:41,100 --> 03:51:44,160
go before we get any uh report as to

5302
03:51:44,160 --> 03:51:47,399
what is learned

5303
03:51:47,399 --> 03:51:54,229
how many over how many years

5304
03:51:54,239 --> 03:51:56,580
the synoptic study essentially in the

5305
03:51:56,580 --> 03:51:59,160
river we would have data back quickly so

5306
03:51:59,160 --> 03:52:01,800
that work was proposed to start this

5307
03:52:01,800 --> 03:52:03,180
winter

5308
03:52:03,180 --> 03:52:06,000
um the drilling uh side of this really

5309
03:52:06,000 --> 03:52:08,520
hinges on Drillers scheduled

5310
03:52:08,520 --> 03:52:12,960
um and with uh drought in the west uh

5311
03:52:12,960 --> 03:52:15,899
Drillers are under incredible time right

5312
03:52:15,899 --> 03:52:17,819
now

5313
03:52:17,819 --> 03:52:19,859
okay

5314
03:52:19,859 --> 03:52:21,660
we've already marked we've already

5315
03:52:21,660 --> 03:52:24,239
broached this so the city of Moab has

5316
03:52:24,239 --> 03:52:26,160
been approached has San Juan County been

5317
03:52:26,160 --> 03:52:30,620
approached to be a partner in these and maybe I just missed it I'm sorry

5318
03:52:30,620 --> 03:52:33,359
yes both Moab City and San Juan County

5319
03:52:33,359 --> 03:52:36,540
have been approached and both have said

5320
03:52:36,540 --> 03:52:39,720
yes kind of so we need to go back to him

5321
03:52:39,720 --> 03:52:40,680
again

5322
03:52:40,680 --> 03:52:43,560
and uh and do just what we're doing here

5323
03:52:43,560 --> 03:52:47,239
get in a commission meeting with them

5324
03:52:47,239 --> 03:52:49,739
it's an important issue and it's an

5325
03:52:49,739 --> 03:52:51,300
important question and you need to be a

5326
03:52:51,300 --> 03:52:52,380
partner in it

5327
03:52:52,380 --> 03:52:54,479
so they have not written a check is what

5328
03:52:54,479 --> 03:52:58,990
you're saying correct yeah

5329
03:52:59,000 --> 03:53:03,889
we'll be the leaders yeah sure

5330
03:53:03,899 --> 03:53:06,779
yeah you guys are always the leaders on

5331
03:53:06,779 --> 03:53:08,279
it

5332
03:53:08,279 --> 03:53:18,250
I'm very good we appreciate it

5333
03:53:18,260 --> 03:53:20,359
yeah sorry

5334
03:53:20,359 --> 03:53:23,399
people that are watching them sure I I

5335
03:53:23,399 --> 03:53:25,560
just wanted to add that uh in terms of

5336
03:53:25,560 --> 03:53:27,239
when the information will be available

5337
03:53:27,239 --> 03:53:30,359
for our project uh we're looking at

5338
03:53:30,359 --> 03:53:34,319
early 2024 early to mid 20s publishing

5339
03:53:34,319 --> 03:53:35,520
the final

5340
03:53:35,520 --> 03:53:36,960
results and that will include

5341
03:53:36,960 --> 03:53:39,319
recommendations for ongoing

5342
03:53:39,319 --> 03:53:43,530
that's that's thank you great thank you

5343
03:53:43,530 --> 03:53:45,960
[Music]

5344
03:53:45,960 --> 03:53:48,359
all right any other questions for Tom or

5345
03:53:48,359 --> 03:53:52,070
Mark

5346
03:53:52,080 --> 03:53:54,540
all right looks like um yeah looks like

5347
03:53:54,540 --> 03:53:57,180
that's it thank you so much guys thank

5348
03:53:57,180 --> 03:54:03,950
you thanks Mark yeah

5349
03:54:03,960 --> 03:54:06,359
okay all right

5350
03:54:06,359 --> 03:54:09,600
okay moving on that is it for

5351
03:54:09,600 --> 03:54:12,600
presentations we're uh we don't have any

5352
03:54:12,600 --> 03:54:16,200
agency reports we are up to

5353
03:54:16,200 --> 03:54:19,739
uh ratification of payment of bills uh

5354
03:54:19,739 --> 03:54:22,040
total Grant County bills the amount of

5355
03:54:22,040 --> 03:54:24,739
630

5356
03:54:24,739 --> 03:54:28,500
359.38 uh total Grand cany payroll in

5357
03:54:28,500 --> 03:54:30,739
the amount of 323

5358
03:54:30,739 --> 03:54:34,800
870.60 for uh total bills and payroll in

5359
03:54:34,800 --> 03:54:36,060
the amount of nine hundred fifty four

5360
03:54:36,060 --> 03:54:38,279
thousand two hundred twenty nine dollars

5361
03:54:38,279 --> 03:54:43,500
and 98 cents so moved extra second

5362
03:54:43,500 --> 03:54:47,100
all right any discussion on bills

5363
03:54:47,100 --> 03:54:48,600
saying no no call for a vote on the

5364
03:54:48,600 --> 03:54:50,760
motion all in favor

5365
03:54:50,760 --> 03:54:54,410
motion passes seven to nothing

5366
03:54:54,420 --> 03:55:01,610
all right

5367
03:55:01,620 --> 03:55:04,560
um we are up to General reports

5368
03:55:04,560 --> 03:55:06,600
commission member disclosures anybody

5369
03:55:06,600 --> 03:55:08,160
have anything that they need to disclose

5370
03:55:08,160 --> 03:55:12,359
about uh today's agenda

5371
03:55:12,359 --> 03:55:15,239
yes Josie oh I will uh generally

5372
03:55:15,239 --> 03:55:18,720
disclose that in discussion and possible

5373
03:55:18,720 --> 03:55:20,279
motions around special events and

5374
03:55:20,279 --> 03:55:21,899
special events ordinance that I am

5375
03:55:21,899 --> 03:55:25,439
employed by a special event in town and

5376
03:55:25,439 --> 03:55:27,660
one that is in consideration for the

5377
03:55:27,660 --> 03:55:29,699
quarterly ITA review

5378
03:55:29,699 --> 03:55:31,080
I've been the mode of Music Festival

5379
03:55:31,080 --> 03:55:34,199
great thanks Josie Sarah

5380
03:55:34,199 --> 03:55:37,620
um my sister has is one of the

5381
03:55:37,620 --> 03:55:39,540
applicants listed for receiving funds

5382
03:55:39,540 --> 03:55:42,000
from the star star grants

5383
03:55:42,000 --> 03:55:44,520
thank you

5384
03:55:44,520 --> 03:55:46,199
all right

5385
03:55:46,199 --> 03:55:47,100
um

5386
03:55:47,100 --> 03:55:48,479
General commissioner reports in future

5387
03:55:48,479 --> 03:55:50,939
considerations and uh

5388
03:55:50,939 --> 03:55:53,640
see I'll start with the other end over

5389
03:55:53,640 --> 03:55:56,279
there Sarah

5390
03:55:56,279 --> 03:55:59,399
all right I had a lot going on but not

5391
03:55:59,399 --> 03:56:00,960
many meetings

5392
03:56:00,960 --> 03:56:03,950
um

5393
03:56:03,960 --> 03:56:06,120
oh yes I attended the free health clinic

5394
03:56:06,120 --> 03:56:08,880
tour and what an amazing resource for

5395
03:56:08,880 --> 03:56:11,520
the community it's so exciting and it's

5396
03:56:11,520 --> 03:56:14,160
nice just to see that space being

5397
03:56:14,160 --> 03:56:15,420
developed

5398
03:56:15,420 --> 03:56:16,080
um

5399
03:56:16,080 --> 03:56:17,520
yeah

5400
03:56:17,520 --> 03:56:20,450
it was amazing

5401
03:56:20,460 --> 03:56:24,600
and that's all yeah all right perfect

5402
03:56:24,600 --> 03:56:26,520
Kevin

5403
03:56:26,520 --> 03:56:29,100
um I have attended a couple of budget

5404
03:56:29,100 --> 03:56:31,620
advisory report meetings since we last

5405
03:56:31,620 --> 03:56:33,120
spoke but I will not bore you with the

5406
03:56:33,120 --> 03:56:36,239
details we'll get to review that later

5407
03:56:36,239 --> 03:56:38,699
um and I think other things I've been

5408
03:56:38,699 --> 03:56:40,199
working on are be going to be covered in

5409
03:56:40,199 --> 03:56:41,460
other agent items

5410
03:56:41,460 --> 03:56:45,050
great thanks Kevin Josie

5411
03:56:45,060 --> 03:56:47,040
yeah just a couple things

5412
03:56:47,040 --> 03:56:50,160
um on the 10th I attended the

5413
03:56:50,160 --> 03:56:53,279
candlelight vigil at City Hall

5414
03:56:53,279 --> 03:56:55,439
um for indigenous people's day but more

5415
03:56:55,439 --> 03:56:56,580
specifically

5416
03:56:56,580 --> 03:56:59,990
um to uh

5417
03:57:00,000 --> 03:57:02,760
to honor uh missing and murdered

5418
03:57:02,760 --> 03:57:05,220
indigenous women which is a ongoing

5419
03:57:05,220 --> 03:57:08,160
issue that was wonderful to Spotlight uh

5420
03:57:08,160 --> 03:57:10,500
the next day on the 11th I also went on

5421
03:57:10,500 --> 03:57:12,779
the kind of new Health Campus tour with

5422
03:57:12,779 --> 03:57:14,880
the Moab free health clinic and I Echo

5423
03:57:14,880 --> 03:57:17,040
what Sarah said that it's just really

5424
03:57:17,040 --> 03:57:20,640
exciting I think that that spot nothing

5425
03:57:20,640 --> 03:57:22,199
better could have happened at that

5426
03:57:22,199 --> 03:57:24,120
location and I think that they are

5427
03:57:24,120 --> 03:57:25,920
thinking big and

5428
03:57:25,920 --> 03:57:28,560
um and kind of throwing that intention

5429
03:57:28,560 --> 03:57:30,540
out there and then getting the financial

5430
03:57:30,540 --> 03:57:33,300
support and the actual you know means to

5431
03:57:33,300 --> 03:57:34,800
do it and so I think it's incredibly

5432
03:57:34,800 --> 03:57:37,080
exciting and I can't wait to see how it

5433
03:57:37,080 --> 03:57:38,699
all shapes up and it's moving pretty

5434
03:57:38,699 --> 03:57:40,680
fast I would say

5435
03:57:40,680 --> 03:57:41,819
um

5436
03:57:41,819 --> 03:57:43,979
things don't always

5437
03:57:43,979 --> 03:57:47,220
um and then the next day on the 12th

5438
03:57:47,220 --> 03:57:51,420
um the events committee kind of worked

5439
03:57:51,420 --> 03:57:54,680
through initially the intent to apply

5440
03:57:54,680 --> 03:57:57,540
process which we are which we've already

5441
03:57:57,540 --> 03:57:59,100
talked about for a couple hours in which

5442
03:57:59,100 --> 03:58:01,620
we will talk about further in the

5443
03:58:01,620 --> 03:58:03,359
meeting and

5444
03:58:03,359 --> 03:58:06,120
um let's see the Four Corners Community

5445
03:58:06,120 --> 03:58:08,939
Health board meeting is still yet to

5446
03:58:08,939 --> 03:58:10,680
come but if you haven't seen their

5447
03:58:10,680 --> 03:58:13,220
Flyers they're having a 50th anniversary

5448
03:58:13,220 --> 03:58:16,080
celebration by screening a free movie in

5449
03:58:16,080 --> 03:58:17,939
Suwannee Park I believe they are showing

5450
03:58:17,939 --> 03:58:19,859
Greece and want people to dress up

5451
03:58:19,859 --> 03:58:22,199
accordingly and that's on October 28th

5452
03:58:22,199 --> 03:58:25,460
at 7 pm

5453
03:58:25,460 --> 03:58:28,439
greases that we said Greece

5454
03:58:28,439 --> 03:58:34,929
awesome

5455
03:58:34,939 --> 03:58:38,220
I'll try to keep mine quick uh Cemetery

5456
03:58:38,220 --> 03:58:41,220
had their uh new board member and their

5457
03:58:41,220 --> 03:58:44,040
first meeting so that was nice to uh get

5458
03:58:44,040 --> 03:58:45,660
to meet them and kind of bring them up

5459
03:58:45,660 --> 03:58:48,420
to speed with kind of General operations

5460
03:58:48,420 --> 03:58:51,840
and uh what the board does uh the big

5461
03:58:51,840 --> 03:58:54,120
takeaway from that meeting was concerns

5462
03:58:54,120 --> 03:58:57,000
around flooding in the cemetery there

5463
03:58:57,000 --> 03:58:59,100
was some damage done at the first flood

5464
03:58:59,100 --> 03:59:01,800
and then in subsequent rainstorms there

5465
03:59:01,800 --> 03:59:04,380
has been additional flooding so uh some

5466
03:59:04,380 --> 03:59:07,560
repairs have been put on hold and

5467
03:59:07,560 --> 03:59:09,720
um the road department has been out

5468
03:59:09,720 --> 03:59:11,160
there kind of working on some of the

5469
03:59:11,160 --> 03:59:14,699
culverts uh which are adjacent to Sunset

5470
03:59:14,699 --> 03:59:16,319
Memorial and hopefully that that

5471
03:59:16,319 --> 03:59:18,479
addresses some of the flooding that's

5472
03:59:18,479 --> 03:59:20,060
been happening

5473
03:59:20,060 --> 03:59:23,580
uh which has unfortunately led to Sunken

5474
03:59:23,580 --> 03:59:25,439
Graves uh

5475
03:59:25,439 --> 03:59:28,020
tilted headstones and the like and so

5476
03:59:28,020 --> 03:59:30,000
hopefully we can get that dialed in so

5477
03:59:30,000 --> 03:59:33,560
that that's uh not a ongoing issue with

5478
03:59:33,560 --> 03:59:36,180
additional rains and now with the health

5479
03:59:36,180 --> 03:59:39,359
department the health district we had a

5480
03:59:39,359 --> 03:59:41,040
the same presentation from the free

5481
03:59:41,040 --> 03:59:44,160
health clinic that we had at at our

5482
03:59:44,160 --> 03:59:45,960
previous meeting

5483
03:59:45,960 --> 03:59:49,560
um and they're just and the health

5484
03:59:49,560 --> 03:59:52,080
district is working on their budget

5485
03:59:52,080 --> 03:59:54,540
season so those meetings will be uh have

5486
03:59:54,540 --> 03:59:56,939
been posted as open public meetings uh

5487
03:59:56,939 --> 03:59:59,239
they'll be going on the next few weeks

5488
03:59:59,239 --> 04:00:03,600
and uh presented at the the November

5489
04:00:03,600 --> 04:00:07,080
regular scheduled meeting uh met with uh

5490
04:00:07,080 --> 04:00:09,540
Ems for today

5491
04:00:09,540 --> 04:00:13,800
um they approved adopted I forget the

5492
04:00:13,800 --> 04:00:16,500
term my apologies that started early

5493
04:00:16,500 --> 04:00:19,140
this morning uh their tentative budget

5494
04:00:19,140 --> 04:00:21,300
for 2023.

5495
04:00:21,300 --> 04:00:21,979
um

5496
04:00:21,979 --> 04:00:26,100
there was some good moves made to try to

5497
04:00:26,100 --> 04:00:29,160
cover some of the gaps in Staffing and

5498
04:00:29,160 --> 04:00:31,760
there was a discussion around

5499
04:00:31,760 --> 04:00:36,720
a cola there with no final decision made

5500
04:00:36,720 --> 04:00:39,600
on on what that amount would be just yet

5501
04:00:39,600 --> 04:00:42,020
or nothing set in stone I should say

5502
04:00:42,020 --> 04:00:45,600
I believe that that's all I got

5503
04:00:45,600 --> 04:00:48,420
great thanks Trish I just had the only

5504
04:00:48,420 --> 04:00:50,580
thing I did was I went to a flood relief

5505
04:00:50,580 --> 04:00:52,620
meeting with Ben and that was it and I

5506
04:00:52,620 --> 04:00:54,660
went hunting all right I've been a

5507
04:00:54,660 --> 04:00:56,220
slacker

5508
04:00:56,220 --> 04:00:58,969
Mary

5509
04:00:58,979 --> 04:01:02,460
um on the I went on the same tour

5510
04:01:02,460 --> 04:01:05,819
it was wonderful uh on the 11th it was

5511
04:01:05,819 --> 04:01:08,279
travel council meeting at meeting and

5512
04:01:08,279 --> 04:01:10,500
they discussed the priorities for their

5513
04:01:10,500 --> 04:01:14,520
budget for next year uh the they have a

5514
04:01:14,520 --> 04:01:16,439
good board they were very active and

5515
04:01:16,439 --> 04:01:20,880
engaged so that was great to see uh

5516
04:01:20,880 --> 04:01:23,040
budget advisory

5517
04:01:23,040 --> 04:01:23,640
um

5518
04:01:23,640 --> 04:01:27,239
go through all that the site future

5519
04:01:27,239 --> 04:01:30,180
committee for the umtra project had

5520
04:01:30,180 --> 04:01:32,100
their first meeting

5521
04:01:32,100 --> 04:01:35,640
ah I attended it sporadically

5522
04:01:35,640 --> 04:01:39,359
by zoom and uh had a meeting with San

5523
04:01:39,359 --> 04:01:42,560
Juan County city of Moab and

5524
04:01:42,560 --> 04:01:46,080
the three entities to talk about where

5525
04:01:46,080 --> 04:01:47,040
we

5526
04:01:47,040 --> 04:01:50,220
need to work together in the future and

5527
04:01:50,220 --> 04:01:52,020
one thing we talked we talked about two

5528
04:01:52,020 --> 04:01:58,620
things uh this fire department and also the noise from those machines

5529
04:01:58,620 --> 04:02:01,080
that fly over

5530
04:02:01,080 --> 04:02:03,300
motorized paragliders motorized

5531
04:02:03,300 --> 04:02:05,819
parathiders and uh

5532
04:02:05,819 --> 04:02:10,140
if we have a do an ordinance in Moab we

5533
04:02:10,140 --> 04:02:11,760
have to make sure

5534
04:02:11,760 --> 04:02:14,460
it fits into Northern San Juan

5535
04:02:14,460 --> 04:02:16,680
so that's it

5536
04:02:16,680 --> 04:02:18,779
yeah everyone's doing a good job with

5537
04:02:18,779 --> 04:02:20,340
that I'll try to continue in the same

5538
04:02:20,340 --> 04:02:21,479
vein

5539
04:02:21,479 --> 04:02:23,880
um I attended a trail mix meeting

5540
04:02:23,880 --> 04:02:25,979
um where we mostly discussed aspects of

5541
04:02:25,979 --> 04:02:27,960
the labyrinth uh Gemini travel

5542
04:02:27,960 --> 04:02:30,180
management plan as it pertained to the

5543
04:02:30,180 --> 04:02:32,520
kind of the different user groups that

5544
04:02:32,520 --> 04:02:34,500
make up trail mix

5545
04:02:34,500 --> 04:02:37,620
um and I missed a couple of meetings I

5546
04:02:37,620 --> 04:02:40,739
missed the tssd meeting in the motorist

5547
04:02:40,739 --> 04:02:42,000
Trail committee meeting because I was in

5548
04:02:42,000 --> 04:02:44,100
Cedar at the one Utah Summit put on by

5549
04:02:44,100 --> 04:02:45,319
Governor Cox

5550
04:02:45,319 --> 04:02:48,899
and uh that was my first real Excursion

5551
04:02:48,899 --> 04:02:51,899
on behalf of Grand County and I thought

5552
04:02:51,899 --> 04:02:53,520
it was great I I got a lot out of it

5553
04:02:53,520 --> 04:02:55,859
made some connections and just kind of

5554
04:02:55,859 --> 04:02:58,199
was able to see Grant County a little

5555
04:02:58,199 --> 04:03:00,239
bit more as part of the the whole the

5556
04:03:00,239 --> 04:03:01,439
big state

5557
04:03:01,439 --> 04:03:03,779
um and uh look forward to continuing

5558
04:03:03,779 --> 04:03:06,540
doing that kind of thing and and making

5559
04:03:06,540 --> 04:03:08,880
connections at the at the state level

5560
04:03:08,880 --> 04:03:10,380
for sure

5561
04:03:10,380 --> 04:03:13,979
and uh I also along with Mary and Kevin

5562
04:03:13,979 --> 04:03:16,020
uh attended the joint San Juan County

5563
04:03:16,020 --> 04:03:19,500
mob uh Grant County meeting yesterday

5564
04:03:19,500 --> 04:03:20,939
and

5565
04:03:20,939 --> 04:03:23,939
that's it short and sweet too

5566
04:03:23,939 --> 04:03:26,699
so it is just after six o'clock so it's

5567
04:03:26,699 --> 04:03:28,979
time for our second uh substance to be

5568
04:03:28,979 --> 04:03:30,479
heard session is there anyone in the

5569
04:03:30,479 --> 04:03:32,220
chamber who'd like to come forward and

5570
04:03:32,220 --> 04:03:35,870
uh be heard

5571
04:03:35,880 --> 04:03:38,460
is there anyone on Zoom who is uh

5572
04:03:38,460 --> 04:03:44,870
present to make a comment

5573
04:03:44,880 --> 04:03:49,080
doesn't look like it so we will move on

5574
04:03:49,080 --> 04:03:52,020
to elected official reports

5575
04:03:52,020 --> 04:03:55,160
um Gabe foreign

5576
04:03:55,160 --> 04:03:59,100
Utah Summit last week I saw Jacques

5577
04:03:59,100 --> 04:04:00,660
there

5578
04:04:00,660 --> 04:04:03,660
um my main purpose in attending that

5579
04:04:03,660 --> 04:04:07,080
Summit was because I concluded my

5580
04:04:07,080 --> 04:04:09,180
experience in the

5581
04:04:09,180 --> 04:04:12,020
inaugural group of the governor's office

5582
04:04:12,020 --> 04:04:16,260
rural Utah Leadership Academy Utah rural

5583
04:04:16,260 --> 04:04:19,020
Leadership Academy yeah that's it urla

5584
04:04:19,020 --> 04:04:20,520
so I got to have dinner with the

5585
04:04:20,520 --> 04:04:21,960
lieutenant governor and the governor one

5586
04:04:21,960 --> 04:04:24,660
more time and and sort of uh make

5587
04:04:24,660 --> 04:04:26,520
solidify the contacts that I made in

5588
04:04:26,520 --> 04:04:29,100
that program and overall it was a really

5589
04:04:29,100 --> 04:04:31,620
worthwhile experience and I think the

5590
04:04:31,620 --> 04:04:33,060
governor's office in Southern Utah

5591
04:04:33,060 --> 04:04:37,189
University for facilitating

5592
04:04:37,199 --> 04:04:39,420
um I'm not sure who the grand represent

5593
04:04:39,420 --> 04:04:41,939
representative might be this year I

5594
04:04:41,939 --> 04:04:43,920
guess I have to confirm that

5595
04:04:43,920 --> 04:04:44,880
um

5596
04:04:44,880 --> 04:04:47,880
other than that public logic inaccuracy

5597
04:04:47,880 --> 04:04:51,120
test was completed yesterday at 2PM so

5598
04:04:51,120 --> 04:04:55,220
that's where we tested and um

5599
04:04:55,220 --> 04:04:59,160
verified the proper functioning of all

5600
04:04:59,160 --> 04:05:00,960
of the election equipment in our case is

5601
04:05:00,960 --> 04:05:02,760
the express vote which is the name of

5602
04:05:02,760 --> 04:05:05,100
our voting machine that we'll have out

5603
04:05:05,100 --> 04:05:08,760
on the lobby as well as the ds-200 which

5604
04:05:08,760 --> 04:05:10,680
is our tabulator and that's what we use

5605
04:05:10,680 --> 04:05:13,500
to tabulate and comp up all the votes we

5606
04:05:13,500 --> 04:05:17,100
run the ballots through those scanners

5607
04:05:17,100 --> 04:05:17,760
um

5608
04:05:17,760 --> 04:05:20,279
and as far as the election goes yeah

5609
04:05:20,279 --> 04:05:22,500
there's a lot going on in my office with

5610
04:05:22,500 --> 04:05:25,439
regards to that lot building up

5611
04:05:25,439 --> 04:05:27,960
um I do know that

5612
04:05:27,960 --> 04:05:31,800
the ballots we were sent to the post

5613
04:05:31,800 --> 04:05:34,199
office at the end of day yesterday in

5614
04:05:34,199 --> 04:05:35,819
Phoenix Arizona that doesn't mean they

5615
04:05:35,819 --> 04:05:38,040
were mailed out yesterday because 18th

5616
04:05:38,040 --> 04:05:39,600
today was the first day they could be

5617
04:05:39,600 --> 04:05:40,920
mailed out

5618
04:05:40,920 --> 04:05:43,439
but I would wouldn't be surprised if

5619
04:05:43,439 --> 04:05:45,540
they were getting to Salt Lake already

5620
04:05:45,540 --> 04:05:48,960
by this time and maybe who knows maybe

5621
04:05:48,960 --> 04:05:50,699
your mailbox you know they'll be in

5622
04:05:50,699 --> 04:05:52,739
mailboxes this week I'm quite certain of

5623
04:05:52,739 --> 04:05:54,660
it I bet I can't make any promises of

5624
04:05:54,660 --> 04:05:56,939
that of course okay

5625
04:05:56,939 --> 04:06:00,120
and that's all I have thanks Gabe and it

5626
04:06:00,120 --> 04:06:02,399
looks like our County attorney Sloan is

5627
04:06:02,399 --> 04:06:04,560
actually I had a question for oh sure

5628
04:06:04,560 --> 04:06:07,500
sorry Kevin so um yes sorry to Spring

5629
04:06:07,500 --> 04:06:09,359
this on you in a meeting rather than via

5630
04:06:09,359 --> 04:06:12,359
an email but have your do you think it'd

5631
04:06:12,359 --> 04:06:14,100
be maybe at the next commission meeting

5632
04:06:14,100 --> 04:06:17,040
just giving like a 10-minute summary of

5633
04:06:17,040 --> 04:06:18,600
just all the election procedures and

5634
04:06:18,600 --> 04:06:21,000
things like that I mean you know there's

5635
04:06:21,000 --> 04:06:23,640
a lot of interest in those things and my

5636
04:06:23,640 --> 04:06:25,439
experience has been the people who watch

5637
04:06:25,439 --> 04:06:27,359
elections up close either in Grant

5638
04:06:27,359 --> 04:06:29,760
County or San Juan County anywhere are

5639
04:06:29,760 --> 04:06:32,279
impressed by all the the care that's

5640
04:06:32,279 --> 04:06:34,020
taken to make sure that you know it's

5641
04:06:34,020 --> 04:06:35,279
accurate and

5642
04:06:35,279 --> 04:06:38,040
stuff so I just wanted to you don't have

5643
04:06:38,040 --> 04:06:39,600
to respond but I was just throughout the

5644
04:06:39,600 --> 04:06:41,399
idea that it might be good to

5645
04:06:41,399 --> 04:06:43,319
publicize that more than it has been in

5646
04:06:43,319 --> 04:06:45,779
the past thanks for this suggestion I'd

5647
04:06:45,779 --> 04:06:47,100
be happy to

5648
04:06:47,100 --> 04:06:51,300
all right all right uh Christina

5649
04:06:51,300 --> 04:06:53,460
I did want to give a quick update mostly

5650
04:06:53,460 --> 04:06:54,960
I've been home with covid so that has

5651
04:06:54,960 --> 04:06:58,560
not been fun but I did get our answer to

5652
04:06:58,560 --> 04:07:00,840
the Blue Ribbon Coalition and local ATV

5653
04:07:00,840 --> 04:07:04,199
business complaint filed yesterday and

5654
04:07:04,199 --> 04:07:06,060
we've created a new tab on the Grand

5655
04:07:06,060 --> 04:07:07,920
County Attorney's website where we're

5656
04:07:07,920 --> 04:07:10,620
gonna upload all the feedings and the

5657
04:07:10,620 --> 04:07:12,120
discovery process is going to be really

5658
04:07:12,120 --> 04:07:14,160
long but I expect some interesting

5659
04:07:14,160 --> 04:07:16,140
information come out of that so I also

5660
04:07:16,140 --> 04:07:18,660
plan to create a discovery tab so that

5661
04:07:18,660 --> 04:07:21,180
the community can go there look at a

5662
04:07:21,180 --> 04:07:22,800
bunch of different documentation related

5663
04:07:22,800 --> 04:07:27,060
to the lawsuit so that that portion of

5664
04:07:27,060 --> 04:07:30,420
the website is grandcountyutah.net

5665
04:07:30,420 --> 04:07:33,660
slash attorney on the left side of the

5666
04:07:33,660 --> 04:07:36,180
page there's some different links to

5667
04:07:36,180 --> 04:07:37,620
different departments the county

5668
04:07:37,620 --> 04:07:39,720
attorney's office is responsible for

5669
04:07:39,720 --> 04:07:41,460
including the CJC and the Family Sports

5670
04:07:41,460 --> 04:07:43,319
Center underneath that you're going to

5671
04:07:43,319 --> 04:07:46,800
see Blue Ribbon Coalition there and if

5672
04:07:46,800 --> 04:07:48,779
you click on that you'll see a little

5673
04:07:48,779 --> 04:07:50,699
summary about the litigation and also

5674
04:07:50,699 --> 04:07:53,279
the pleadings filed so far so that's the

5675
04:07:53,279 --> 04:07:55,739
complaint and the answer I'll keep

5676
04:07:55,739 --> 04:07:57,660
updating it

5677
04:07:57,660 --> 04:07:59,220
thank you

5678
04:07:59,220 --> 04:08:01,800
all right thank you

5679
04:08:01,800 --> 04:08:03,060
um just look like there's any other

5680
04:08:03,060 --> 04:08:06,239
electives on so uh commission

5681
04:08:06,239 --> 04:08:09,359
administrator Mallory

5682
04:08:09,359 --> 04:08:11,819
um I don't have much to report that

5683
04:08:11,819 --> 04:08:14,100
hasn't been covered or won't be covered

5684
04:08:14,100 --> 04:08:16,260
so okay Quinn do you have anything you

5685
04:08:16,260 --> 04:08:17,819
wanted to report

5686
04:08:17,819 --> 04:08:24,530
okay

5687
04:08:24,540 --> 04:08:26,220
uh let's move on to the approval of

5688
04:08:26,220 --> 04:08:29,939
minutes for the October 4th uh 2022

5689
04:08:29,939 --> 04:08:31,859
County Commission regular meeting and

5690
04:08:31,859 --> 04:08:35,359
the joint Planning Commission Workshop

5691
04:08:35,359 --> 04:08:38,220
I make a motion to prove the minutes for

5692
04:08:38,220 --> 04:08:42,060
October 4th 2022 regular meeting and

5693
04:08:42,060 --> 04:08:44,160
Joint Planning Commission Workshop

5694
04:08:44,160 --> 04:08:47,889
thanks Josh

5695
04:08:47,899 --> 04:08:51,479
I'll second all right I have a motion to

5696
04:08:51,479 --> 04:08:53,399
prove the minutes by uh commissioner

5697
04:08:53,399 --> 04:08:54,660
Hadid and the second by commissioner

5698
04:08:54,660 --> 04:08:58,319
Walker any discussion of the minutes

5699
04:08:58,319 --> 04:08:59,760
seeing none will call for a vote all

5700
04:08:59,760 --> 04:09:02,279
those in favor of approving the minutes

5701
04:09:02,279 --> 04:09:04,920
and that passes uh six to nothing

5702
04:09:04,920 --> 04:09:06,600
unanimously with commissioner began

5703
04:09:06,600 --> 04:09:08,699
absent

5704
04:09:08,699 --> 04:09:09,239
um

5705
04:09:09,239 --> 04:09:12,180
all right we are on to General business

5706
04:09:12,180 --> 04:09:15,600
action items uh and we'll start with

5707
04:09:15,600 --> 04:09:18,540
item a Cooperative funding request from

5708
04:09:18,540 --> 04:09:21,239
UTS for maths and wetlands study and

5709
04:09:21,239 --> 04:09:24,899
presenting is commissioner stock

5710
04:09:24,899 --> 04:09:27,120
luckily we had some

5711
04:09:27,120 --> 04:09:30,950
x uh

5712
04:09:30,960 --> 04:09:32,460
essentially

5713
04:09:32,460 --> 04:09:34,260
coming to us for Cooperative funding

5714
04:09:34,260 --> 04:09:35,520
requests

5715
04:09:35,520 --> 04:09:38,000
um to help fund these studies

5716
04:09:38,000 --> 04:09:40,439
and I wanted to give you guys a little

5717
04:09:40,439 --> 04:09:42,600
background we have money budgeted and

5718
04:09:42,600 --> 04:09:45,779
the commission discretionary fund

5719
04:09:45,779 --> 04:09:48,120
and what we had set aside I got the

5720
04:09:48,120 --> 04:09:49,979
breakdown from Chris

5721
04:09:49,979 --> 04:09:51,779
um was fifteen thousand dollars for the

5722
04:09:51,779 --> 04:09:53,939
pack Creek gauge which we spent this

5723
04:09:53,939 --> 04:09:55,439
year we spent um

5724
04:09:55,439 --> 04:09:57,779
16 500.

5725
04:09:57,779 --> 04:09:59,120
and

5726
04:09:59,120 --> 04:10:04,010
9600 of that is an ongoing expense

5727
04:10:04,020 --> 04:10:06,420
for maintenance of that

5728
04:10:06,420 --> 04:10:08,640
so next year they'll be that

5729
04:10:08,640 --> 04:10:10,800
um and then we set aside ten thousand

5730
04:10:10,800 --> 04:10:13,500
dollars for groundwater monitoring and

5731
04:10:13,500 --> 04:10:15,779
seventy thousand dollars for monitoring

5732
04:10:15,779 --> 04:10:19,199
Wells and all of this happened before we

5733
04:10:19,199 --> 04:10:21,120
joined the National groundwater

5734
04:10:21,120 --> 04:10:23,460
monitoring Network or before we were

5735
04:10:23,460 --> 04:10:25,340
allowed to join

5736
04:10:25,340 --> 04:10:28,439
we received a grant to be able to join

5737
04:10:28,439 --> 04:10:29,819
the National groundwater monitoring

5738
04:10:29,819 --> 04:10:34,020
Network and so I think when I had set

5739
04:10:34,020 --> 04:10:37,080
aside 70 000 for monitoring Wells

5740
04:10:37,080 --> 04:10:39,479
it was before we even knew of it

5741
04:10:39,479 --> 04:10:41,819
existence or are like that we could

5742
04:10:41,819 --> 04:10:44,100
actually apply for that program and in

5743
04:10:44,100 --> 04:10:46,080
the long term that program will open

5744
04:10:46,080 --> 04:10:48,180
this up to a world of funding for future

5745
04:10:48,180 --> 04:10:50,880
groundwater monitoring Wells

5746
04:10:50,880 --> 04:10:54,840
um and it just takes a few years to get

5747
04:10:54,840 --> 04:10:56,699
established and then to identify your

5748
04:10:56,699 --> 04:10:59,220
needs before you can do that so rather

5749
04:10:59,220 --> 04:11:01,500
than diving right into

5750
04:11:01,500 --> 04:11:04,319
putting out an RFP for somebody to study

5751
04:11:04,319 --> 04:11:05,840
where we need a new monitoring well

5752
04:11:05,840 --> 04:11:09,540
Americans like I just go for it I

5753
04:11:09,540 --> 04:11:11,160
thought it would be better to just go

5754
04:11:11,160 --> 04:11:12,300
through the national groundwater

5755
04:11:12,300 --> 04:11:14,520
monitoring process and apply for future

5756
04:11:14,520 --> 04:11:15,899
funds

5757
04:11:15,899 --> 04:11:18,359
through that organization

5758
04:11:18,359 --> 04:11:21,000
um so we have

5759
04:11:21,000 --> 04:11:22,859
basically we have eighty thousand

5760
04:11:22,859 --> 04:11:24,899
dollars kind of set aside Loosely for

5761
04:11:24,899 --> 04:11:26,819
water monitoring water monitoring Wells

5762
04:11:26,819 --> 04:11:28,439
that we're free to use and we don't have

5763
04:11:28,439 --> 04:11:31,080
to use but that's there it was a little

5764
04:11:31,080 --> 04:11:33,779
confused about their ask because there

5765
04:11:33,779 --> 04:11:36,239
was a couple numbers so can you kind of

5766
04:11:36,239 --> 04:11:38,760
clarify exactly what they're asking for

5767
04:11:38,760 --> 04:11:42,540
right now for the Matheson study yeah

5768
04:11:42,540 --> 04:11:45,060
um they're looking for

5769
04:11:45,060 --> 04:11:47,000
22

5770
04:11:47,000 --> 04:11:51,239
111 for this fiscal year okay their

5771
04:11:51,239 --> 04:11:53,990
fiscal year

5772
04:11:54,000 --> 04:11:56,939
yeah and then twelve thousand dollars

5773
04:11:56,939 --> 04:11:59,160
for the next fiscal year

5774
04:11:59,160 --> 04:12:01,020
something that Chris had brought up is

5775
04:12:01,020 --> 04:12:02,100
that

5776
04:12:02,100 --> 04:12:04,920
because our finances are great

5777
04:12:04,920 --> 04:12:07,680
for this last year were

5778
04:12:07,680 --> 04:12:11,580
we just we have the budget but next year

5779
04:12:11,580 --> 04:12:13,979
our budget perhaps is going to be a

5780
04:12:13,979 --> 04:12:16,319
little bit tighter yeah and so I had the

5781
04:12:16,319 --> 04:12:18,899
thought if we feel inclined to fund the

5782
04:12:18,899 --> 04:12:20,340
study we could just do it all this year

5783
04:12:20,340 --> 04:12:21,899
because we have the money and that's

5784
04:12:21,899 --> 04:12:24,239
what Chris suggested

5785
04:12:24,239 --> 04:12:30,120
so base 34 111. yeah and just right now

5786
04:12:30,120 --> 04:12:32,580
yeah and I mean we could talk about if

5787
04:12:32,580 --> 04:12:34,199
that makes sense to fund that entire

5788
04:12:34,199 --> 04:12:37,260
amount or a lesser amount

5789
04:12:37,260 --> 04:12:39,720
I think it's a great study I mean it

5790
04:12:39,720 --> 04:12:42,420
seems like like Mark was saying it's an

5791
04:12:42,420 --> 04:12:45,600
essential piece to this puzzle that

5792
04:12:45,600 --> 04:12:48,899
is very important for us to answer and

5793
04:12:48,899 --> 04:12:50,880
as like Graham County why would Graham

5794
04:12:50,880 --> 04:12:52,680
County fund this I think

5795
04:12:52,680 --> 04:12:55,140
based on the fact that a lot of

5796
04:12:55,140 --> 04:12:57,720
additional development as possible in

5797
04:12:57,720 --> 04:12:59,520
Graham County and we're trying to do the

5798
04:12:59,520 --> 04:13:01,800
right thing with lining our land use

5799
04:13:01,800 --> 04:13:05,160
code to water use what we need though

5800
04:13:05,160 --> 04:13:07,920
really is like Baseline data and the way

5801
04:13:07,920 --> 04:13:09,779
to get that is through paying for these

5802
04:13:09,779 --> 04:13:11,939
studies and

5803
04:13:11,939 --> 04:13:14,040
so that's why I think it's it makes a

5804
04:13:14,040 --> 04:13:16,260
lot of sense I guess the question I had

5805
04:13:16,260 --> 04:13:19,260
I agree these studies are worthwhile and

5806
04:13:19,260 --> 04:13:21,060
but I was a little bit confused about

5807
04:13:21,060 --> 04:13:22,500
just how the costs are going to be in

5808
04:13:22,500 --> 04:13:24,420
portioned between Grand County and Moab

5809
04:13:24,420 --> 04:13:27,779
City and in other entities and maybe I

5810
04:13:27,779 --> 04:13:28,920
wasn't paying close enough attention

5811
04:13:28,920 --> 04:13:31,560
during the no what was it we're eating

5812
04:13:31,560 --> 04:13:32,699
it okay

5813
04:13:32,699 --> 04:13:35,279
yeah yeah with this one it seems like

5814
04:13:35,279 --> 04:13:37,859
the city is not inclined to fund the

5815
04:13:37,859 --> 04:13:39,779
Mathis and study at this time but though

5816
04:13:39,779 --> 04:13:41,040
I'm not sure if they've made a final

5817
04:13:41,040 --> 04:13:46,680
right final answer on that one okay so maybe we should just you know make a

5818
04:13:46,680 --> 04:13:48,359
note to ourselves and next next time

5819
04:13:48,359 --> 04:13:50,580
there's a studies funded we can find out

5820
04:13:50,580 --> 04:13:52,520
right all three

5821
04:13:52,520 --> 04:13:55,380
or alternatively we could say you know

5822
04:13:55,380 --> 04:13:57,359
we'll fund up to a certain amount but

5823
04:13:57,359 --> 04:14:00,479
encourage the coordinators of the study

5824
04:14:00,479 --> 04:14:02,520
to make the same presentation of Moab

5825
04:14:02,520 --> 04:14:05,520
City and things like that so that

5826
04:14:05,520 --> 04:14:07,500
yeah and I mean

5827
04:14:07,500 --> 04:14:10,439
the division of water right so it's

5828
04:14:10,439 --> 04:14:12,779
contributed

5829
04:14:12,779 --> 04:14:13,800
um

5830
04:14:13,800 --> 04:14:16,620
yeah I could so the city of Moab has

5831
04:14:16,620 --> 04:14:17,939
some of the oldest water rides in the

5832
04:14:17,939 --> 04:14:19,739
valley and they're also the place where

5833
04:14:19,739 --> 04:14:24,359
probably the less new water use is gonna

5834
04:14:24,359 --> 04:14:27,600
right be required or less water is going

5835
04:14:27,600 --> 04:14:30,300
to be required for future development

5836
04:14:30,300 --> 04:14:33,720
so in a way Moab city is

5837
04:14:33,720 --> 04:14:35,040
they're sitting on their old water

5838
04:14:35,040 --> 04:14:36,420
rights and they're like we're here and

5839
04:14:36,420 --> 04:14:38,279
we're gonna do what we are doing they're

5840
04:14:38,279 --> 04:14:39,779
kind of a steady Force whereas Grant

5841
04:14:39,779 --> 04:14:41,279
County there's more room for development

5842
04:14:41,279 --> 04:14:43,920
I think it's Our obligation

5843
04:14:43,920 --> 04:14:46,739
to help fund the studies that show us

5844
04:14:46,739 --> 04:14:48,120
what our Baseline is that we're even

5845
04:14:48,120 --> 04:14:49,800
working against

5846
04:14:49,800 --> 04:14:51,239
um so that's where I kind of understand

5847
04:14:51,239 --> 04:14:56,090
maybe why the city of Moab

5848
04:14:56,100 --> 04:14:58,260
I'd rather that they fund

5849
04:14:58,260 --> 04:15:01,199
a co-op match with this but I I do think

5850
04:15:01,199 --> 04:15:03,720
it's our responsibility as as counting

5851
04:15:03,720 --> 04:15:06,720
with the newer water rights but in in

5852
04:15:06,720 --> 04:15:10,620
that same regard I think that San Juan

5853
04:15:10,620 --> 04:15:13,319
Spanish Valley Special Service District

5854
04:15:13,319 --> 04:15:16,020
should also be contributing funding to

5855
04:15:16,020 --> 04:15:19,070
these studies

5856
04:15:19,080 --> 04:15:23,210
I'm gonna go ahead and make a motion

5857
04:15:23,220 --> 04:15:24,479
um

5858
04:15:24,479 --> 04:15:27,420
so I moved to improve the Cooperative

5859
04:15:27,420 --> 04:15:30,000
funding request

5860
04:15:30,000 --> 04:15:35,220
um an expedient expediating funding that would make any did I just make that

5861
04:15:35,220 --> 04:15:37,460
up explain it

5862
04:15:37,460 --> 04:15:40,199
I expedite sorry about that the funding

5863
04:15:40,199 --> 04:15:42,840
for 2023 and take it out of this year's

5864
04:15:42,840 --> 04:15:44,939
budget for a total amount of thirty four

5865
04:15:44,939 --> 04:15:47,580
thousand one hundred and eleven dollars

5866
04:15:47,580 --> 04:15:51,359
for our fiscal year 2022.

5867
04:15:51,359 --> 04:15:54,420
and then authorize the chair to sign all

5868
04:15:54,420 --> 04:15:56,939
future documents that's not necessary

5869
04:15:56,939 --> 04:15:59,460
anymore oh it's not okay even if they

5870
04:15:59,460 --> 04:16:00,960
have to do an mlu we put it in our

5871
04:16:00,960 --> 04:16:05,399
bylaws that it's assumed sorry I used to

5872
04:16:05,399 --> 04:16:10,309
have to say it after every solution

5873
04:16:10,319 --> 04:16:12,359
um thank you Trish all second all right

5874
04:16:12,359 --> 04:16:13,739
I'm a motion by Trish in a second by

5875
04:16:13,739 --> 04:16:15,420
Sarah any further discussion on this

5876
04:16:15,420 --> 04:16:17,580
yeah I would just you know we're talking

5877
04:16:17,580 --> 04:16:20,760
about entities who who uh aren't

5878
04:16:20,760 --> 04:16:22,920
contributing at this time but there are

5879
04:16:22,920 --> 04:16:25,739
a lot of other entities who are and so

5880
04:16:25,739 --> 04:16:28,260
this this study isn't being funded

5881
04:16:28,260 --> 04:16:31,620
solely by Grand counties this and I

5882
04:16:31,620 --> 04:16:33,120
think it's nice to be a contributing

5883
04:16:33,120 --> 04:16:36,899
member and as this is a a one-time

5884
04:16:36,899 --> 04:16:40,739
expenditure and we we have uh the

5885
04:16:40,739 --> 04:16:43,220
availability to do that in this year's

5886
04:16:43,220 --> 04:16:46,680
budget I'm okay with it

5887
04:16:46,680 --> 04:16:48,720
yeah well

5888
04:16:48,720 --> 04:16:51,000
all right any more discussion seeing

5889
04:16:51,000 --> 04:16:52,199
none I'll call for a vote all in favor

5890
04:16:52,199 --> 04:16:54,300
of the motion raise your hand

5891
04:16:54,300 --> 04:16:57,420
motion passes seven to nothing

5892
04:16:57,420 --> 04:17:01,140
all right we'll move on to agenda Item B

5893
04:17:01,140 --> 04:17:03,080
Cooperative funding request from the

5894
04:17:03,080 --> 04:17:06,000
USGS for salinity studies and again back

5895
04:17:06,000 --> 04:17:08,040
to uh commissioner stock

5896
04:17:08,040 --> 04:17:10,319
okay so this one

5897
04:17:10,319 --> 04:17:12,960
um like we heard from Tom Marston is a

5898
04:17:12,960 --> 04:17:16,080
USGS study kind of in a similar realm

5899
04:17:16,080 --> 04:17:17,520
they're in the Mathis sense but they're

5900
04:17:17,520 --> 04:17:20,279
asking slightly different questions and

5901
04:17:20,279 --> 04:17:22,979
adding some monitoring Wells

5902
04:17:22,979 --> 04:17:24,660
part of this

5903
04:17:24,660 --> 04:17:26,580
clearly is

5904
04:17:26,580 --> 04:17:28,739
very important to Downstream water users

5905
04:17:28,739 --> 04:17:31,260
the salinity load in the Colorado River

5906
04:17:31,260 --> 04:17:33,779
and that's why the Colorado River

5907
04:17:33,779 --> 04:17:36,840
salinity Forum has agreed to fund almost

5908
04:17:36,840 --> 04:17:38,939
67

5909
04:17:38,939 --> 04:17:40,319
000

5910
04:17:40,319 --> 04:17:43,020
500 towards new monitoring Wells but

5911
04:17:43,020 --> 04:17:45,479
they need a local co-op match and the

5912
04:17:45,479 --> 04:17:48,720
USGS can be a part of that but they need

5913
04:17:48,720 --> 04:17:52,080
then local matches in order to

5914
04:17:52,080 --> 04:17:55,080
at that funding so

5915
04:17:55,080 --> 04:17:57,540
um I put in here basically

5916
04:17:57,540 --> 04:17:59,180
when I put 19

5917
04:17:59,180 --> 04:18:02,040
361 that was kind of like the cap that

5918
04:18:02,040 --> 04:18:03,840
gets us to seventy thousand dollars of

5919
04:18:03,840 --> 04:18:05,220
spending

5920
04:18:05,220 --> 04:18:08,100
this year on on these studies

5921
04:18:08,100 --> 04:18:09,420
so

5922
04:18:09,420 --> 04:18:11,399
I think we should probably do less than

5923
04:18:11,399 --> 04:18:14,809
that um

5924
04:18:14,819 --> 04:18:16,859
but I do think it's a good study and

5925
04:18:16,859 --> 04:18:19,080
it's a benefit that we get monitoring

5926
04:18:19,080 --> 04:18:23,389
wells in the pump test

5927
04:18:23,399 --> 04:18:25,380
what was was there ask forty five

5928
04:18:25,380 --> 04:18:28,560
thousand said am I remembering yeah they

5929
04:18:28,560 --> 04:18:32,100
yep the co-op match would be 45 000. and

5930
04:18:32,100 --> 04:18:33,720
like Mark said they've kind of maxed out

5931
04:18:33,720 --> 04:18:36,300
their division of water rights funding

5932
04:18:36,300 --> 04:18:37,380
um

5933
04:18:37,380 --> 04:18:40,260
for the year but I think they've

5934
04:18:40,260 --> 04:18:42,359
approached Moab City and

5935
04:18:42,359 --> 04:18:43,620
it seemed like they had approached San

5936
04:18:43,620 --> 04:18:47,689
Juan County as well

5937
04:18:47,699 --> 04:18:48,420
um

5938
04:18:48,420 --> 04:18:50,399
I I think maybe something like ten

5939
04:18:50,399 --> 04:18:52,500
thousand dollars would be a good number

5940
04:18:52,500 --> 04:18:54,720
but

5941
04:18:54,720 --> 04:18:57,779
Jim do you want to make a motion Sarah

5942
04:18:57,779 --> 04:19:01,920
well I have a quick question with

5943
04:19:01,920 --> 04:19:04,500
so you said they need 45

5944
04:19:04,500 --> 04:19:07,010
000.

5945
04:19:07,020 --> 04:19:09,359
what if they don't get it I mean that's

5946
04:19:09,359 --> 04:19:11,460
what

5947
04:19:11,460 --> 04:19:13,260
I tried to ask that question at the

5948
04:19:13,260 --> 04:19:15,660
library Watershed partnership meeting it

5949
04:19:15,660 --> 04:19:16,979
seemed like

5950
04:19:16,979 --> 04:19:19,080
the USGS

5951
04:19:19,080 --> 04:19:21,840
always operates at a

5952
04:19:21,840 --> 04:19:26,040
like a 66 33 match

5953
04:19:26,040 --> 04:19:29,580
with local Cooperators so

5954
04:19:29,580 --> 04:19:31,260
I'm not sure if they would have to

5955
04:19:31,260 --> 04:19:33,359
shrink their study maybe they wouldn't

5956
04:19:33,359 --> 04:19:36,239
do the pump test part of it which

5957
04:19:36,239 --> 04:19:37,979
honestly is the part that is maybe more

5958
04:19:37,979 --> 04:19:40,140
relevant to us as good in our concern

5959
04:19:40,140 --> 04:19:43,859
for the wetlands though

5960
04:19:43,859 --> 04:19:47,220
all of it is gonna help

5961
04:19:47,220 --> 04:19:50,939
explain that brain layer better

5962
04:19:50,939 --> 04:19:53,520
well I'm not sure do I wonder if we want

5963
04:19:53,520 --> 04:19:55,979
to put an emotion something to the fact

5964
04:19:55,979 --> 04:20:00,239
that uh contingent on the funding they

5965
04:20:00,239 --> 04:20:02,580
find the funding

5966
04:20:02,580 --> 04:20:06,660
to do the project rather than just

5967
04:20:06,660 --> 04:20:08,580
you know that way if

5968
04:20:08,580 --> 04:20:10,560
something falls through on it which I

5969
04:20:10,560 --> 04:20:12,540
pray it doesn't I really think it's an

5970
04:20:12,540 --> 04:20:15,300
important study but then we won't lose

5971
04:20:15,300 --> 04:20:16,800
our money

5972
04:20:16,800 --> 04:20:19,620
but they also might be using this to

5973
04:20:19,620 --> 04:20:21,840
inspire others right now they can go to

5974
04:20:21,840 --> 04:20:23,699
their other these other entities and say

5975
04:20:23,699 --> 04:20:25,620
we got this much from Grant County yeah

5976
04:20:25,620 --> 04:20:28,380
we were given a phony Edge but if they

5977
04:20:28,380 --> 04:20:31,319
can't if they can't do the study

5978
04:20:31,319 --> 04:20:34,439
I think we need to let it know that okay

5979
04:20:34,439 --> 04:20:37,800
we get the money back yeah well um I'm

5980
04:20:37,800 --> 04:20:39,840
sure that that could also be written

5981
04:20:39,840 --> 04:20:41,520
into the mou

5982
04:20:41,520 --> 04:20:44,699
but okay we have to sign

5983
04:20:44,699 --> 04:20:47,279
with them but I think that makes sense

5984
04:20:47,279 --> 04:20:49,140
Mary that if the study's not gonna

5985
04:20:49,140 --> 04:20:51,540
happen yeah or if we had the option to

5986
04:20:51,540 --> 04:20:54,180
say this is to be used for the pump

5987
04:20:54,180 --> 04:20:56,580
study portion right if that's what we're

5988
04:20:56,580 --> 04:20:57,960
interested in

5989
04:20:57,960 --> 04:21:00,300
if we're making an example of of

5990
04:21:00,300 --> 04:21:02,220
donating to this to try to entice other

5991
04:21:02,220 --> 04:21:04,319
local agencies maybe 15 000 would be

5992
04:21:04,319 --> 04:21:05,760
appropriate so it would be one-third of

5993
04:21:05,760 --> 04:21:08,399
the ask and then there's a couple other

5994
04:21:08,399 --> 04:21:10,500
entities out there that might be able to

5995
04:21:10,500 --> 04:21:13,429
contribute the same

5996
04:21:13,439 --> 04:21:15,300
I mean I like that I do think we're in a

5997
04:21:15,300 --> 04:21:17,399
good position that

5998
04:21:17,399 --> 04:21:19,199
financially this year and we don't know

5999
04:21:19,199 --> 04:21:21,950
about the future

6000
04:21:21,960 --> 04:21:24,600
no I I will quibble about I mean any

6001
04:21:24,600 --> 04:21:26,340
money we don't spend this year is money

6002
04:21:26,340 --> 04:21:28,439
that helps us next year so I I think

6003
04:21:28,439 --> 04:21:30,359
it's a little artificial to distinguish

6004
04:21:30,359 --> 04:21:32,160
between this year and next year and

6005
04:21:32,160 --> 04:21:33,420
spending money

6006
04:21:33,420 --> 04:21:35,939
yeah

6007
04:21:35,939 --> 04:21:41,570
but I'm here to present to you

6008
04:21:41,580 --> 04:21:44,100
um well I'll just make that difference

6009
04:21:44,100 --> 04:21:47,279
too right what will you cut the

6010
04:21:47,279 --> 04:21:48,660
difference too

6011
04:21:48,660 --> 04:21:50,120
12-5

6012
04:21:50,120 --> 04:21:52,920
yeah and I mean this funding was set

6013
04:21:52,920 --> 04:21:56,160
aside in the 2022 budget so it's not

6014
04:21:56,160 --> 04:21:57,600
like it's just coming out of thin air

6015
04:21:57,600 --> 04:22:01,199
right and respecting we wanted so this

6016
04:22:01,199 --> 04:22:04,990
would it were the 19

6017
04:22:05,000 --> 04:22:09,300
1361 mean that we've we've tapped out

6018
04:22:09,300 --> 04:22:13,260
that fund actually I mean I that equals

6019
04:22:13,260 --> 04:22:15,260
seventy thousand dollars but then we had

6020
04:22:15,260 --> 04:22:17,760
I got the numbers a little bit late but

6021
04:22:17,760 --> 04:22:19,620
then there was also this other ten

6022
04:22:19,620 --> 04:22:20,699
thousand dollars for groundwater

6023
04:22:20,699 --> 04:22:22,260
monitoring that was set aside so we

6024
04:22:22,260 --> 04:22:26,689
still haven't spent at all

6025
04:22:26,699 --> 04:22:29,100
um I thought we just had 70 000 but

6026
04:22:29,100 --> 04:22:30,779
we do have eighty thousand dollars set

6027
04:22:30,779 --> 04:22:32,220
generally aside

6028
04:22:32,220 --> 04:22:33,960
but then I think we should fund the

6029
04:22:33,960 --> 04:22:35,180
whole thing

6030
04:22:35,180 --> 04:22:37,620
because the water is probably I mean

6031
04:22:37,620 --> 04:22:38,580
that's a

6032
04:22:38,580 --> 04:22:40,979
probably the most important thing in the

6033
04:22:40,979 --> 04:22:43,680
not the whole thing the 19th excuse me

6034
04:22:43,680 --> 04:22:48,420
you just use the entire amount that we have yeah overnight that she

6035
04:22:48,420 --> 04:22:52,969
suggested in here because

6036
04:22:52,979 --> 04:22:57,239
water you know and it's no no when she

6037
04:22:57,239 --> 04:22:58,439
said the whole that I thought she was

6038
04:22:58,439 --> 04:23:03,729
meaning

6039
04:23:03,739 --> 04:23:09,349
that's why I clarified real fast

6040
04:23:09,359 --> 04:23:12,300
no yeah I guess also I mean we did

6041
04:23:12,300 --> 04:23:15,180
receive that Grant so there's

6042
04:23:15,180 --> 04:23:16,560
um like 45

6043
04:23:16,560 --> 04:23:18,899
000 extra dollars of funding from the

6044
04:23:18,899 --> 04:23:20,399
national groundwater monitoring just

6045
04:23:20,399 --> 04:23:21,840
coming into the county for for

6046
04:23:21,840 --> 04:23:23,160
water-mounted train just because we

6047
04:23:23,160 --> 04:23:26,279
chose to be a part of that program so

6048
04:23:26,279 --> 04:23:27,840
these are all good things

6049
04:23:27,840 --> 04:23:31,429
I think

6050
04:23:31,439 --> 04:23:37,269
do you have any idea how much

6051
04:23:37,279 --> 04:23:42,800
I moved to approve the funding of a 19

6052
04:23:42,800 --> 04:23:47,580
361 dollars to the USGS for uh salinity

6053
04:23:47,580 --> 04:23:50,399
studies on the Colorado River in Mathis

6054
04:23:50,399 --> 04:23:52,399
and wetlands

6055
04:23:52,399 --> 04:23:55,020
and authorize the chair to sign all

6056
04:23:55,020 --> 04:23:57,000
Associated documents

6057
04:23:57,000 --> 04:23:59,040
I second that all right I have a mission

6058
04:23:59,040 --> 04:24:00,600
on the table by commissioner mcgannon

6059
04:24:00,600 --> 04:24:02,520
and second by commissioner houdin any

6060
04:24:02,520 --> 04:24:04,439
discussion on this I'm sorry I missed

6061
04:24:04,439 --> 04:24:07,260
the amount it was it was the 19 361

6062
04:24:07,260 --> 04:24:09,910
dollars

6063
04:24:09,920 --> 04:24:16,250
yeah in the packet

6064
04:24:16,260 --> 04:24:18,779
no discussion

6065
04:24:18,779 --> 04:24:20,279
all right I'll call for a vote all those

6066
04:24:20,279 --> 04:24:22,319
in favor of the motion raise your hand

6067
04:24:22,319 --> 04:24:24,020
foreign

6068
04:24:24,020 --> 04:24:27,439
I like the lesser amount

6069
04:24:27,439 --> 04:24:31,260
but I wanted it to pass so yeah thank

6070
04:24:31,260 --> 04:24:34,100
you Sarah for doing all that work yeah

6071
04:24:34,100 --> 04:24:36,779
and I think it's better to be in front

6072
04:24:36,779 --> 04:24:38,939
of the ball than behind it oh and I like

6073
04:24:38,939 --> 04:24:42,359
being the example motion passes six to

6074
04:24:42,359 --> 04:24:43,800
one with commissioner Clapper in

6075
04:24:43,800 --> 04:24:44,880
opposition

6076
04:24:44,880 --> 04:24:48,540
tell Marty to take that because others

6077
04:24:48,540 --> 04:24:51,779
all right we will move on uh item C

6078
04:24:51,779 --> 04:24:53,100
adopting ordinance repealing and

6079
04:24:53,100 --> 04:24:54,500
replacing chapter

6080
04:24:54,500 --> 04:24:57,300
8.16 special events of the Grand County

6081
04:24:57,300 --> 04:24:59,220
General ordinances and related ordinance

6082
04:24:59,220 --> 04:25:05,100
number uh 658 Mallory

6083
04:25:05,100 --> 04:25:08,640
we've discussed yes this is coming

6084
04:25:08,640 --> 04:25:11,580
before you once again with some of the

6085
04:25:11,580 --> 04:25:14,580
changes and we talked through at the

6086
04:25:14,580 --> 04:25:16,199
last meeting and

6087
04:25:16,199 --> 04:25:19,620
I think we feel good about it this time

6088
04:25:19,620 --> 04:25:22,439
and are working on other things as the

6089
04:25:22,439 --> 04:25:24,180
next steps that would align with this

6090
04:25:24,180 --> 04:25:26,220
assuming it's um

6091
04:25:26,220 --> 04:25:30,530
approved tonight

6092
04:25:30,540 --> 04:25:32,520
um yeah I

6093
04:25:32,520 --> 04:25:34,560
I've had a lot of conversations with

6094
04:25:34,560 --> 04:25:36,479
Valerie about this recently and I think

6095
04:25:36,479 --> 04:25:37,620
this is

6096
04:25:37,620 --> 04:25:39,779
you know a big milestone in our handling

6097
04:25:39,779 --> 04:25:41,340
of special events

6098
04:25:41,340 --> 04:25:41,939
um

6099
04:25:41,939 --> 04:25:44,939
I'm very happy that staff like Angie and

6100
04:25:44,939 --> 04:25:46,560
Rachel were able to put together so much

6101
04:25:46,560 --> 04:25:48,779
information for the hearing today and

6102
04:25:48,779 --> 04:25:50,580
that went a lot more smoothly than I was

6103
04:25:50,580 --> 04:25:54,899
expecting expecting so that was nice

6104
04:25:54,899 --> 04:25:56,939
um and but yeah I want to especially

6105
04:25:56,939 --> 04:25:58,319
thank Mallory because I think she's put

6106
04:25:58,319 --> 04:26:00,899
a ton of time in it and I gave it a

6107
04:26:00,899 --> 04:26:03,359
fairly careful read earlier today and it

6108
04:26:03,359 --> 04:26:04,680
looks looks pretty good to me I mean I'm

6109
04:26:04,680 --> 04:26:07,439
sure we're gonna continue to tweak it

6110
04:26:07,439 --> 04:26:10,920
but I I feel good having this in place

6111
04:26:10,920 --> 04:26:13,560
um I'll give others a chance to talk but

6112
04:26:13,560 --> 04:26:15,540
I there are some small edits that I want

6113
04:26:15,540 --> 04:26:17,460
to work into the motion so okay

6114
04:26:17,460 --> 04:26:18,960
hopefully I can make the motion of the

6115
04:26:18,960 --> 04:26:20,640
time and I'd also like to very much

6116
04:26:20,640 --> 04:26:21,420
thank

6117
04:26:21,420 --> 04:26:23,279
um County attorney Sloane for for

6118
04:26:23,279 --> 04:26:24,659
working on this as well I think she

6119
04:26:24,659 --> 04:26:26,100
worked pretty closely with Mallory and

6120
04:26:26,100 --> 04:26:30,000
has been uh instrumental in yeah and and

6121
04:26:30,000 --> 04:26:32,939
as well as Angie and Rachel too

6122
04:26:32,939 --> 04:26:35,939
yep yeah definitely Christina should be

6123
04:26:35,939 --> 04:26:38,279
included in the amongst the top ranks of

6124
04:26:38,279 --> 04:26:39,840
people think definitely it's been a

6125
04:26:39,840 --> 04:26:41,340
collaborative effort but but you guys

6126
04:26:41,340 --> 04:26:43,260
have yeah done the Lion's Share the

6127
04:26:43,260 --> 04:26:44,939
heavy lifting so thank you very much

6128
04:26:44,939 --> 04:26:47,819
yeah it's been a been a long process

6129
04:26:47,819 --> 04:27:01,809
and it will continue to be right

6130
04:27:01,819 --> 04:27:06,060
okay so so I moved to repeal

6131
04:27:06,060 --> 04:27:09,239
um chapter 816 special events of the

6132
04:27:09,239 --> 04:27:11,340
Grand County General ordinances and the

6133
04:27:11,340 --> 04:27:13,739
related ordinance number is 658 and

6134
04:27:13,739 --> 04:27:18,060
adopt new chapters 8.16 special events

6135
04:27:18,060 --> 04:27:19,859
and so forth

6136
04:27:19,859 --> 04:27:21,600
um in the attached ordinance and its

6137
04:27:21,600 --> 04:27:26,040
exhibit a with the following minor edit

6138
04:27:26,040 --> 04:27:28,020
um

6139
04:27:28,020 --> 04:27:32,929
it's me

6140
04:27:32,939 --> 04:27:37,199
in Section 8 16 100 B

6141
04:27:37,199 --> 04:27:39,540
Roman numeral

6142
04:27:39,540 --> 04:27:43,670
um

6143
04:27:43,680 --> 04:27:46,140
yeah numeral two

6144
04:27:46,140 --> 04:27:47,520
um item c

6145
04:27:47,520 --> 04:27:49,500
um should say local Origins sort of

6146
04:27:49,500 --> 04:27:52,500
locally origin and item D

6147
04:27:52,500 --> 04:27:53,760
um you know need to fix the

6148
04:27:53,760 --> 04:27:55,979
capitalization that line so just just

6149
04:27:55,979 --> 04:27:58,140
some typos but since might as well get

6150
04:27:58,140 --> 04:28:00,359
them out of the way

6151
04:28:00,359 --> 04:28:02,159
all right well there's the only edits

6152
04:28:02,159 --> 04:28:05,100
come oh I should mention there were

6153
04:28:05,100 --> 04:28:07,080
other edits earlier today so the unless

6154
04:28:07,080 --> 04:28:10,380
you are downloading this thing as of

6155
04:28:10,380 --> 04:28:11,880
about an hour ago when Mallory updated

6156
04:28:11,880 --> 04:28:15,060
it there's some additional fairly small

6157
04:28:15,060 --> 04:28:17,159
edits um compared to what was has been

6158
04:28:17,159 --> 04:28:19,080
in the packet earlier just some

6159
04:28:19,080 --> 04:28:21,420
misnumberings of sections and right or

6160
04:28:21,420 --> 04:28:23,580
that got replaced by nand but nothing

6161
04:28:23,580 --> 04:28:25,560
that really changes the meaning of the

6162
04:28:25,560 --> 04:28:27,540
ordinance great

6163
04:28:27,540 --> 04:28:29,460
right I have a motion by commissioner

6164
04:28:29,460 --> 04:28:30,600
Walker

6165
04:28:30,600 --> 04:28:33,300
second by commissioner Clapper

6166
04:28:33,300 --> 04:28:34,859
um further discussion on special events

6167
04:28:34,859 --> 04:28:37,140
ordinance I think one person we forgot

6168
04:28:37,140 --> 04:28:40,380
to thank was Kevin he has been really

6169
04:28:40,380 --> 04:28:42,540
the commissioner that's taken the lead

6170
04:28:42,540 --> 04:28:45,080
on this and it's worked very hard

6171
04:28:45,080 --> 04:28:47,580
obviously he's able to find those little

6172
04:28:47,580 --> 04:28:51,300
teeny mistakes so thank you Kevin very

6173
04:28:51,300 --> 04:28:54,889
much definitely thanks Kevin

6174
04:28:54,899 --> 04:28:57,659
all right I'll call for a vote all those

6175
04:28:57,659 --> 04:29:00,600
in favor of the motion raise your hand

6176
04:29:00,600 --> 04:29:02,460
well

6177
04:29:02,460 --> 04:29:05,220
so that when the and was fixed I can't

6178
04:29:05,220 --> 04:29:08,580
get the book online to work and 060. the

6179
04:29:08,580 --> 04:29:11,420
end was was fixed

6180
04:29:11,420 --> 04:29:13,620
also in the workshop that that's what

6181
04:29:13,620 --> 04:29:15,779
the commission wants

6182
04:29:15,779 --> 04:29:17,520
I think so I I think it was clearly

6183
04:29:17,520 --> 04:29:19,920
intent because of the following segment

6184
04:29:19,920 --> 04:29:21,120
after that

6185
04:29:21,120 --> 04:29:23,640
um so but but we didn't discuss it

6186
04:29:23,640 --> 04:29:25,859
explicitly in the workshop

6187
04:29:25,859 --> 04:29:27,659
um if you want to look at it if you

6188
04:29:27,659 --> 04:29:29,580
refresh your main agenda then you'll

6189
04:29:29,580 --> 04:29:32,040
have a correct link to the latest

6190
04:29:32,040 --> 04:29:33,540
version

6191
04:29:33,540 --> 04:29:36,960
the the discussion guys is in section

6192
04:29:36,960 --> 04:29:39,720
060 it lays out the characteristics for

6193
04:29:39,720 --> 04:29:42,659
low impact events Kevin Went to make

6194
04:29:42,659 --> 04:29:44,220
sure that was an and there was a

6195
04:29:44,220 --> 04:29:46,380
conflict between two sections which

6196
04:29:46,380 --> 04:29:48,540
meant you have to

6197
04:29:48,540 --> 04:29:50,460
um meet all of those characteristics to

6198
04:29:50,460 --> 04:29:52,260
be a low impact event what we were

6199
04:29:52,260 --> 04:29:54,659
finding as we prepared for the workshop

6200
04:29:54,659 --> 04:29:57,180
and in the workshop is that most events

6201
04:29:57,180 --> 04:29:59,340
are going to the commission but you guys

6202
04:29:59,340 --> 04:30:01,739
handled it really well today and so as

6203
04:30:01,739 --> 04:30:04,620
long as you know today happened

6204
04:30:04,620 --> 04:30:05,819
um according to what you thought would

6205
04:30:05,819 --> 04:30:06,659
happen

6206
04:30:06,659 --> 04:30:08,100
um then that's great if you want to see

6207
04:30:08,100 --> 04:30:10,080
fewer events then you might want an or

6208
04:30:10,080 --> 04:30:12,300
there instead of an and so it did seem

6209
04:30:12,300 --> 04:30:15,720
to important enough to just

6210
04:30:15,720 --> 04:30:18,420
I I think if we want to see fewer events

6211
04:30:18,420 --> 04:30:20,340
changing to an ore is probably not the

6212
04:30:20,340 --> 04:30:21,600
right solution because then you can have

6213
04:30:21,600 --> 04:30:23,880
an event with a vast numbers of people

6214
04:30:23,880 --> 04:30:25,859
that's causing closing all the roads but

6215
04:30:25,859 --> 04:30:27,180
unless they check all four of those

6216
04:30:27,180 --> 04:30:29,939
boxes they would be considered low then

6217
04:30:29,939 --> 04:30:31,500
so

6218
04:30:31,500 --> 04:30:33,960
um so I agree and we need to think about

6219
04:30:33,960 --> 04:30:36,120
what events you know what's the dividing

6220
04:30:36,120 --> 04:30:37,920
line between low and high impact events

6221
04:30:37,920 --> 04:30:41,060
that I think

6222
04:30:41,060 --> 04:30:44,279
is the right approach for the moment

6223
04:30:44,279 --> 04:30:46,439
I'm comfortable with the end

6224
04:30:46,439 --> 04:30:49,859
we just had a vote uh I don't think that

6225
04:30:49,859 --> 04:30:52,080
changed anything so the motion passes

6226
04:30:52,080 --> 04:30:54,359
unanimously

6227
04:30:54,359 --> 04:30:57,359
and we'll move on to item D

6228
04:30:57,359 --> 04:30:59,699
consideration of special event intent to

6229
04:30:59,699 --> 04:31:01,680
apply submissions this is what we

6230
04:31:01,680 --> 04:31:05,159
workshopped earlier uh Angie

6231
04:31:05,159 --> 04:31:19,429
and Rachel Bartlett

6232
04:31:19,439 --> 04:31:22,309
hello

6233
04:31:22,319 --> 04:31:24,060
so I'll read

6234
04:31:24,060 --> 04:31:26,220
um the motion as stated in the

6235
04:31:26,220 --> 04:31:29,100
background and leave off explaining all

6236
04:31:29,100 --> 04:31:31,979
the events yes

6237
04:31:31,979 --> 04:31:34,500
I moved to approve the following special

6238
04:31:34,500 --> 04:31:37,560
event a tip as applies for the first and

6239
04:31:37,560 --> 04:31:40,560
second quarters of 2023 and or if

6240
04:31:40,560 --> 04:31:42,600
applicable I moved to

6241
04:31:42,600 --> 04:31:45,239
um event sponsors interested in holding

6242
04:31:45,239 --> 04:31:47,520
an event in Grant County must submit an

6243
04:31:47,520 --> 04:31:50,279
ITA the special event advisory committee

6244
04:31:50,279 --> 04:31:54,060
SEC reviews all itas and determines if

6245
04:31:54,060 --> 04:31:56,340
the proposed of it is high or low impact

6246
04:31:56,340 --> 04:31:58,859
as for the special event ordinance high

6247
04:31:58,859 --> 04:32:01,020
impact itas are reviewed by the County

6248
04:32:01,020 --> 04:32:03,600
Commission at a quarterly meeting their

6249
04:32:03,600 --> 04:32:05,640
reviews are scheduled based on the

6250
04:32:05,640 --> 04:32:08,520
quarter the proposed event would be held

6251
04:32:08,520 --> 04:32:15,429
and they are as followed

6252
04:32:15,439 --> 04:32:17,279
okay

6253
04:32:17,279 --> 04:32:18,479
um

6254
04:32:18,479 --> 04:32:20,760
so uh just just a little bit more

6255
04:32:20,760 --> 04:32:22,380
background so we did for people who were

6256
04:32:22,380 --> 04:32:23,699
just turning in we did have a two-hour

6257
04:32:23,699 --> 04:32:25,859
Workshop earlier today where we reviewed

6258
04:32:25,859 --> 04:32:29,100
all the we put all the events in detail

6259
04:32:29,100 --> 04:32:33,120
um and ended up approving most of the

6260
04:32:33,120 --> 04:32:34,800
attempts to apply but but not all of

6261
04:32:34,800 --> 04:32:37,620
them and according to our just passed

6262
04:32:37,620 --> 04:32:40,020
special events award um ordinance we

6263
04:32:40,020 --> 04:32:42,300
need to make findings for when we deny

6264
04:32:42,300 --> 04:32:44,699
something so I'll incorporate that into

6265
04:32:44,699 --> 04:32:49,319
the emotions that I make break him okay

6266
04:32:49,319 --> 04:32:53,460
uh there was a additional email that

6267
04:32:53,460 --> 04:32:56,880
came in since yeah and I I spoke with

6268
04:32:56,880 --> 04:32:59,460
Angie about that and um

6269
04:32:59,460 --> 04:33:01,859
it it felt to me like it's a little bit

6270
04:33:01,859 --> 04:33:03,479
late in the game to be

6271
04:33:03,479 --> 04:33:06,000
denying something based on

6272
04:33:06,000 --> 04:33:12,420
past Behavior so I think there was a proposal that maybe

6273
04:33:12,420 --> 04:33:15,240
we mixed things up a bit but um

6274
04:33:15,240 --> 04:33:18,061
I don't know well we got that in our

6275
04:33:18,061 --> 04:33:21,180
email yeah from home

6276
04:33:21,180 --> 04:33:24,561
from a county attorney

6277
04:33:24,561 --> 04:33:28,260
and the topic had come up before yeah so

6278
04:33:28,260 --> 04:33:30,000
what one of the applicants I think they

6279
04:33:30,000 --> 04:33:31,561
were in the table I'm looking at it was

6280
04:33:31,561 --> 04:33:32,879
listed as an event that's been going on

6281
04:33:32,879 --> 04:33:34,561
for a long time but they haven't always

6282
04:33:34,561 --> 04:33:36,141
gotten the permit because of

6283
04:33:36,141 --> 04:33:38,279
disagreements about whether they needed

6284
04:33:38,279 --> 04:33:40,141
a permit or not

6285
04:33:40,141 --> 04:33:42,779
um there had been some conflict I think

6286
04:33:42,779 --> 04:33:44,879
in the past

6287
04:33:44,879 --> 04:33:46,199
so

6288
04:33:46,199 --> 04:33:47,820
um so that didn't come up at our

6289
04:33:47,820 --> 04:33:49,859
Workshop we didn't consider it but it

6290
04:33:49,859 --> 04:33:53,641
got it was brought up afterwards

6291
04:33:53,641 --> 04:33:57,660
um my my feeling in in anyone Angie you

6292
04:33:57,660 --> 04:33:59,100
know please if you disagree please say

6293
04:33:59,100 --> 04:34:01,561
so but I think for an event that's been

6294
04:34:01,561 --> 04:34:02,939
operating for a while you know with or

6295
04:34:02,939 --> 04:34:05,340
without a permit if we're gonna shut it

6296
04:34:05,340 --> 04:34:06,719
down there's kind of a higher standard

6297
04:34:06,719 --> 04:34:08,459
for you know the reasons we need in the

6298
04:34:08,459 --> 04:34:11,520
documentation we need and just based on

6299
04:34:11,520 --> 04:34:12,779
the information that I've seen in the

6300
04:34:12,779 --> 04:34:13,619
email

6301
04:34:13,619 --> 04:34:16,439
um I didn't feel comfortable doing that

6302
04:34:16,439 --> 04:34:21,289
so I Mike

6303
04:34:21,299 --> 04:34:23,400
do you have anything to add Angier well

6304
04:34:23,400 --> 04:34:26,279
and I just wanted to put it there based

6305
04:34:26,279 --> 04:34:28,439
on one event holder over another event

6306
04:34:28,439 --> 04:34:31,799
holder if one's going to be denied I'd

6307
04:34:31,799 --> 04:34:34,260
rather deny the one

6308
04:34:34,260 --> 04:34:35,520
that

6309
04:34:35,520 --> 04:34:38,400
has caused some conflict versus one who

6310
04:34:38,400 --> 04:34:40,670
has

6311
04:34:40,680 --> 04:34:44,100
whether regardless of their history

6312
04:34:44,100 --> 04:34:45,779
they both have history

6313
04:34:45,779 --> 04:34:48,660
one just wants to add

6314
04:34:48,660 --> 04:34:53,890
another recipe

6315
04:34:53,900 --> 04:34:57,719
and again I feel I think when we're I

6316
04:34:57,719 --> 04:34:59,959
haven't made the motion yet but the um

6317
04:34:59,959 --> 04:35:03,180
the itas that were not not approving are

6318
04:35:03,180 --> 04:35:04,680
both for new events that haven't

6319
04:35:04,680 --> 04:35:06,600
operated here before though in one case

6320
04:35:06,600 --> 04:35:09,061
it's someone who's operated a different

6321
04:35:09,061 --> 04:35:11,699
event at a different time yeah

6322
04:35:11,699 --> 04:35:15,480
um I just think so I think that's a pretty

6323
04:35:15,480 --> 04:35:17,580
easy reason for denial but if you're

6324
04:35:17,580 --> 04:35:19,439
going to say that hey you've you know

6325
04:35:19,439 --> 04:35:22,379
you've been causing problems in the past

6326
04:35:22,379 --> 04:35:24,719
I I guess I would just want to have that

6327
04:35:24,719 --> 04:35:26,340
written up better and be familiar with

6328
04:35:26,340 --> 04:35:28,379
that written record before actually

6329
04:35:28,379 --> 04:35:29,939
denying the event

6330
04:35:29,939 --> 04:35:33,420
so that that is why I'm not comfortable

6331
04:35:33,420 --> 04:35:35,039
knowing that you know if this had come

6332
04:35:35,039 --> 04:35:37,020
up a week ago and maybe we

6333
04:35:37,020 --> 04:35:39,799
could familiarize ourselves but um

6334
04:35:39,799 --> 04:35:43,141
I'm wondering if we could uh approve it

6335
04:35:43,141 --> 04:35:48,830
uh with it on probation

6336
04:35:48,840 --> 04:35:51,910
the the um

6337
04:35:51,920 --> 04:35:53,959
okay sure

6338
04:35:53,959 --> 04:35:58,379
that way we if you know okay I'll add

6339
04:35:58,379 --> 04:36:00,600
that to the emotion that we have

6340
04:36:00,600 --> 04:36:02,160
concerns about

6341
04:36:02,160 --> 04:36:05,279
can you pass at that event and we're and

6342
04:36:05,279 --> 04:36:06,959
so this is going to be watching closely

6343
04:36:06,959 --> 04:36:09,299
or something like that or we we request

6344
04:36:09,299 --> 04:36:10,619
that the special events committee give

6345
04:36:10,619 --> 04:36:13,619
us a report due to a report on how that

6346
04:36:13,619 --> 04:36:15,959
event goes this year because and what

6347
04:36:15,959 --> 04:36:18,539
let me go back to my email what was your

6348
04:36:18,539 --> 04:36:21,830
specific

6349
04:36:21,840 --> 04:36:24,119
to clarify on that we've expanded the

6350
04:36:24,119 --> 04:36:26,279
post event evaluation process I don't

6351
04:36:26,279 --> 04:36:27,660
think we need to create a condition

6352
04:36:27,660 --> 04:36:30,240
around that because everyone is going to

6353
04:36:30,240 --> 04:36:33,420
have a closer look this time okay

6354
04:36:33,420 --> 04:36:35,459
I was going to say I don't think we have

6355
04:36:35,459 --> 04:36:38,699
like a probation process outline I was

6356
04:36:38,699 --> 04:36:39,959
just trying to be accommodating we've

6357
04:36:39,959 --> 04:36:41,820
had it in the past remember we had

6358
04:36:41,820 --> 04:36:45,061
there's a review process but a

6359
04:36:45,061 --> 04:36:46,740
I think when we said things are

6360
04:36:46,740 --> 04:36:48,840
probationary events or probationary in

6361
04:36:48,840 --> 04:36:51,119
the past there it was just kind of

6362
04:36:51,119 --> 04:36:54,260
some Furbish to make us feel better

6363
04:36:54,260 --> 04:36:56,699
now there's that checkbox for is the

6364
04:36:56,699 --> 04:36:59,039
African in good standing and then the

6365
04:36:59,039 --> 04:37:00,740
teachers

6366
04:37:00,740 --> 04:37:04,141
right okay okay so can I go ahead and we

6367
04:37:04,141 --> 04:37:06,900
have some please Kevin yeah

6368
04:37:06,900 --> 04:37:09,061
um so I moved to approve the following

6369
04:37:09,061 --> 04:37:11,400
special event special event intent to

6370
04:37:11,400 --> 04:37:12,719
applies

6371
04:37:12,719 --> 04:37:15,420
for this first and second quarters of

6372
04:37:15,420 --> 04:37:18,900
2023 and I will note the ones where we

6373
04:37:18,900 --> 04:37:20,100
um

6374
04:37:20,100 --> 04:37:22,561
added some conditions and I will also

6375
04:37:22,561 --> 04:37:24,660
note the ones on the list that we denied

6376
04:37:24,660 --> 04:37:27,480
and then I will list some findings so

6377
04:37:27,480 --> 04:37:29,219
this is still part sorry about this game

6378
04:37:29,219 --> 04:37:32,039
this is still part of the motion

6379
04:37:32,039 --> 04:37:34,080
um Okay so we've got the list attached

6380
04:37:34,080 --> 04:37:35,641
I'm not going to read all the ones that

6381
04:37:35,641 --> 04:37:37,199
we approved but

6382
04:37:37,199 --> 04:37:40,320
there were two that we denied one was

6383
04:37:40,320 --> 04:37:43,799
the um number 18 on my list Grand Circle

6384
04:37:43,799 --> 04:37:48,299
Trail Fest the other was the um number

6385
04:37:48,299 --> 04:37:51,180
25 on my list the new

6386
04:37:51,180 --> 04:37:53,459
um Spring G Jamboree not to be confused

6387
04:37:53,459 --> 04:37:55,500
with topology Jamboree

6388
04:37:55,500 --> 04:37:57,299
which is the one that's been happening

6389
04:37:57,299 --> 04:37:59,160
for a long time

6390
04:37:59,160 --> 04:38:00,119
um

6391
04:38:00,119 --> 04:38:02,520
so that's that's the list of approvals

6392
04:38:02,520 --> 04:38:05,660
um conditions for the amazing Trail race

6393
04:38:05,660 --> 04:38:08,340
uh we wanted a special events committee

6394
04:38:08,340 --> 04:38:10,020
to work with them to Institute a shuttle

6395
04:38:10,020 --> 04:38:11,359
system

6396
04:38:11,359 --> 04:38:15,420
and um make sure the packet pickup and

6397
04:38:15,420 --> 04:38:17,160
other activities other than the race

6398
04:38:17,160 --> 04:38:19,020
itself are done in town rather than out

6399
04:38:19,020 --> 04:38:21,299
of the parking lot

6400
04:38:21,299 --> 04:38:28,189
s

6401
04:38:28,199 --> 04:38:32,100
and for the um Live at Red Cliffs event

6402
04:38:32,100 --> 04:38:34,141
um again we wanted this special event

6403
04:38:34,141 --> 04:38:35,760
committee to work with them to Institute

6404
04:38:35,760 --> 04:38:37,500
a shuttle system we found on the River

6405
04:38:37,500 --> 04:38:39,420
Road

6406
04:38:39,420 --> 04:38:40,799
and

6407
04:38:40,799 --> 04:38:42,240
um

6408
04:38:42,240 --> 04:38:44,939
and then finally some findings

6409
04:38:44,939 --> 04:38:48,660
and I can email you this to you Gabe um

6410
04:38:48,660 --> 04:38:51,600
uh the following findings were relevant

6411
04:38:51,600 --> 04:38:53,580
to our decision about which events

6412
04:38:53,580 --> 04:38:55,020
tonight

6413
04:38:55,020 --> 04:38:57,180
um one the current list of regularly

6414
04:38:57,180 --> 04:38:58,740
occurring events is weighted heavily

6415
04:38:58,740 --> 04:39:00,660
toward running biking and motorized

6416
04:39:00,660 --> 04:39:03,660
events to April and May are both already

6417
04:39:03,660 --> 04:39:06,539
saturated with special events

6418
04:39:06,539 --> 04:39:09,299
three we desire more variety in Grant

6419
04:39:09,299 --> 04:39:12,240
County Special Events and for we give

6420
04:39:12,240 --> 04:39:14,039
preference to events with an established

6421
04:39:14,039 --> 04:39:16,141
track record

6422
04:39:16,141 --> 04:39:18,959
um so that's the end of the motion story

6423
04:39:18,959 --> 04:39:21,359
and then I'll just note that in in the

6424
04:39:21,359 --> 04:39:23,039
special event ordinance that we um just

6425
04:39:23,039 --> 04:39:24,061
passed you know there's a lot of

6426
04:39:24,061 --> 04:39:26,400
criteria for what things we should be

6427
04:39:26,400 --> 04:39:29,100
taking into account when approving or

6428
04:39:29,100 --> 04:39:31,141
denying these itas

6429
04:39:31,141 --> 04:39:32,879
um I in this findings I didn't list all

6430
04:39:32,879 --> 04:39:34,619
of those things I just listed the ones

6431
04:39:34,619 --> 04:39:36,119
that I thought were most relevant to the

6432
04:39:36,119 --> 04:39:38,160
decision we made in case someone used to

6433
04:39:38,160 --> 04:39:40,378
document you know why why we did this of

6434
04:39:40,378 --> 04:39:41,760
course people can also just look at the

6435
04:39:41,760 --> 04:39:43,020
tape for a much

6436
04:39:43,020 --> 04:39:45,600
more detailed discussion yeah

6437
04:39:45,600 --> 04:39:47,878
all right and I guess I should have

6438
04:39:47,878 --> 04:39:49,260
gotten a second before talking sorry

6439
04:39:49,260 --> 04:39:52,020
about that that's all right Mary just

6440
04:39:52,020 --> 04:39:53,940
seconded so I have a motion on the table

6441
04:39:53,940 --> 04:39:56,820
by Kevin there's a great and long motion

6442
04:39:56,820 --> 04:40:00,540
Kevin good job second but Mary

6443
04:40:00,540 --> 04:40:03,180
um further discussion on this and I will

6444
04:40:03,180 --> 04:40:05,040
note that we did uh Workshop this for

6445
04:40:05,040 --> 04:40:06,480
two hours before our meeting we went

6446
04:40:06,480 --> 04:40:08,218
through everything fairly extensively so

6447
04:40:08,218 --> 04:40:11,280
I feel pretty okay about it

6448
04:40:11,280 --> 04:40:15,298
anyone add anything I guess maybe I this

6449
04:40:15,298 --> 04:40:16,560
is the first time we've done this way I

6450
04:40:16,560 --> 04:40:18,298
will just say a little bit more for just

6451
04:40:18,298 --> 04:40:20,700
for members of the public tuning in um

6452
04:40:20,700 --> 04:40:22,140
you know in Grant County we get a lot of

6453
04:40:22,140 --> 04:40:24,420
special event applications

6454
04:40:24,420 --> 04:40:25,320
um

6455
04:40:25,320 --> 04:40:28,080
they're they are

6456
04:40:28,080 --> 04:40:30,420
a you know bring people here which

6457
04:40:30,420 --> 04:40:32,580
provides US economic benefits some of

6458
04:40:32,580 --> 04:40:34,080
them you know provide opportunities for

6459
04:40:34,080 --> 04:40:35,878
local participation or local

6460
04:40:35,878 --> 04:40:37,560
entrepreneurs but that you know they

6461
04:40:37,560 --> 04:40:39,780
also can cause crowding and disruption

6462
04:40:39,780 --> 04:40:42,480
and so we're trying to in deciding which

6463
04:40:42,480 --> 04:40:44,580
special events we approve you know just

6464
04:40:44,580 --> 04:40:46,860
be more Mindful and

6465
04:40:46,860 --> 04:40:49,320
deciding which ones we do so this is the

6466
04:40:49,320 --> 04:40:51,360
beginning of that that process we've

6467
04:40:51,360 --> 04:40:52,798
been discussing it for the last couple

6468
04:40:52,798 --> 04:40:55,860
of years switching to this style

6469
04:40:55,860 --> 04:40:57,480
um

6470
04:40:57,480 --> 04:40:59,760
I I think this is an ongoing process and

6471
04:40:59,760 --> 04:41:02,100
I think this first round we

6472
04:41:02,100 --> 04:41:03,718
you know we didn't turn down any event

6473
04:41:03,718 --> 04:41:05,820
that's been operating so just in case

6474
04:41:05,820 --> 04:41:07,740
people think that we're turning down

6475
04:41:07,740 --> 04:41:09,660
applications you know willy-nilly right

6476
04:41:09,660 --> 04:41:12,180
and left that so far has not happened

6477
04:41:12,180 --> 04:41:15,360
all the events that have been operating

6478
04:41:15,360 --> 04:41:15,958
um

6479
04:41:15,958 --> 04:41:18,060
got approved but you know we do have

6480
04:41:18,060 --> 04:41:19,740
quite a few special events already so I

6481
04:41:19,740 --> 04:41:21,360
think the distance of the commission

6482
04:41:21,360 --> 04:41:22,798
during the workshop was that if we're

6483
04:41:22,798 --> 04:41:25,378
going to approve a new event it'd better

6484
04:41:25,378 --> 04:41:27,060
be offering something special like

6485
04:41:27,060 --> 04:41:28,320
variety

6486
04:41:28,320 --> 04:41:30,718
or you know incredible benefits or

6487
04:41:30,718 --> 04:41:32,340
something like that

6488
04:41:32,340 --> 04:41:34,860
um there were a few new events that we

6489
04:41:34,860 --> 04:41:36,360
did approve just because they had very

6490
04:41:36,360 --> 04:41:38,700
minimal impact near Moab there was a

6491
04:41:38,700 --> 04:41:40,138
motorcycle event that operates out of

6492
04:41:40,138 --> 04:41:42,240
Green River there were some races along

6493
04:41:42,240 --> 04:41:44,340
the Kokopelli Trail

6494
04:41:44,340 --> 04:41:46,500
um and so I think we for those those

6495
04:41:46,500 --> 04:41:48,480
events which were technically high

6496
04:41:48,480 --> 04:41:49,860
impact events but they don't have high

6497
04:41:49,860 --> 04:41:51,660
impact right here in town

6498
04:41:51,660 --> 04:41:54,000
um we were a little more doing this so I

6499
04:41:54,000 --> 04:41:55,378
just wanted to for people who didn't see

6500
04:41:55,378 --> 04:41:59,750
the workshop get that

6501
04:41:59,760 --> 04:42:01,260
thank you

6502
04:42:01,260 --> 04:42:03,240
a culture vote then

6503
04:42:03,240 --> 04:42:05,700
um motioned by Kevin and a second by

6504
04:42:05,700 --> 04:42:06,718
Mary

6505
04:42:06,718 --> 04:42:07,920
um

6506
04:42:07,920 --> 04:42:09,360
all in favor of the motion raise your

6507
04:42:09,360 --> 04:42:10,500
hand

6508
04:42:10,500 --> 04:42:13,020
and the motion passes unanimously seven

6509
04:42:13,020 --> 04:42:14,820
to nothing

6510
04:42:14,820 --> 04:42:19,430
all right Angie and Rachel thank you

6511
04:42:19,440 --> 04:42:22,620
uh next up is item e star business grant

6512
04:42:22,620 --> 04:42:26,458
2022 funding increase uh then alter

6513
04:42:26,458 --> 04:42:28,920
Economic Development specialist and

6514
04:42:28,920 --> 04:42:32,160
August I assume is still online were you

6515
04:42:32,160 --> 04:42:34,260
taking this one Ben I was supposed to

6516
04:42:34,260 --> 04:42:40,368
text him when this comes out

6517
04:42:40,378 --> 04:42:45,110
volleyball

6518
04:42:45,120 --> 04:42:47,458
but I can answer any questions there are

6519
04:42:47,458 --> 04:42:49,200
about this I'm happy to go over the

6520
04:42:49,200 --> 04:42:50,458
background if there are I think this

6521
04:42:50,458 --> 04:42:53,040
item is fairly straightforward this was

6522
04:42:53,040 --> 04:42:55,500
the money that was moved over from the

6523
04:42:55,500 --> 04:42:56,520
uh

6524
04:42:56,520 --> 04:42:58,620
um the budget amendment a few weeks back

6525
04:42:58,620 --> 04:43:01,620
and while I believe the intention was to

6526
04:43:01,620 --> 04:43:03,360
allocate five hundred thousand dollars

6527
04:43:03,360 --> 04:43:05,760
to this program it needs to be formally

6528
04:43:05,760 --> 04:43:08,040
done so that is essentially what we're

6529
04:43:08,040 --> 04:43:09,620
asking of this first time

6530
04:43:09,620 --> 04:43:12,718
right yeah and we did move that money at

6531
04:43:12,718 --> 04:43:14,878
a prior to prior mean I think it was it

6532
04:43:14,878 --> 04:43:21,910
two weeks ago or is it a month ago

6533
04:43:21,920 --> 04:43:25,860
thanks sir I moved to allocate 500 000

6534
04:43:25,860 --> 04:43:28,138
of economic diversification transient

6535
04:43:28,138 --> 04:43:31,610
room tax dollars

6536
04:43:31,620 --> 04:43:34,620
uh to be made available during the

6537
04:43:34,620 --> 04:43:36,780
September 20th 2022 Grand County

6538
04:43:36,780 --> 04:43:38,280
Commission meeting

6539
04:43:38,280 --> 04:43:40,798
towards the sustainability and resilient

6540
04:43:40,798 --> 04:43:44,940
star business grant program

6541
04:43:44,940 --> 04:43:47,160
sorry I read that slightly wrong you're

6542
04:43:47,160 --> 04:43:49,260
fine I'm too deep in working on my

6543
04:43:49,260 --> 04:43:51,540
legalese these days so

6544
04:43:51,540 --> 04:43:54,840
I'll second that all right thank you uh

6545
04:43:54,840 --> 04:43:56,340
motion by commissioner stock and second

6546
04:43:56,340 --> 04:44:01,128
by commissioner hadeen any discussion

6547
04:44:01,138 --> 04:44:03,480
great I'll call for a vote all those in

6548
04:44:03,480 --> 04:44:05,940
favor of the motion raise your hand

6549
04:44:05,940 --> 04:44:08,160
motion passes unanimously six to nothing

6550
04:44:08,160 --> 04:44:10,378
with commissioner Clapper absent

6551
04:44:10,378 --> 04:44:13,980
uh thanks Ben uh of course

6552
04:44:13,980 --> 04:44:15,480
and it looks like you'll be up here for

6553
04:44:15,480 --> 04:44:18,540
the next few items uh item F Award of

6554
04:44:18,540 --> 04:44:20,580
sustainable and resilient uh star

6555
04:44:20,580 --> 04:44:22,500
business grants

6556
04:44:22,500 --> 04:44:25,440
back to you sure so

6557
04:44:25,440 --> 04:44:29,820
um I I sent the commission an email a

6558
04:44:29,820 --> 04:44:32,878
few hours ago that um due to just some

6559
04:44:32,878 --> 04:44:34,798
pending concerns about water

6560
04:44:34,798 --> 04:44:36,660
availability in Thompson we want to

6561
04:44:36,660 --> 04:44:38,458
continue having discussions with Santa

6562
04:44:38,458 --> 04:44:41,340
the attorney and probably John corkery

6563
04:44:41,340 --> 04:44:43,500
just to iron everything out so I just

6564
04:44:43,500 --> 04:44:45,120
want to make clear that we're not taking

6565
04:44:45,120 --> 04:44:48,480
any way taking away anyone's award and I

6566
04:44:48,480 --> 04:44:50,040
personally stand by the recommendations

6567
04:44:50,040 --> 04:44:53,218
that the grant committee made and intend

6568
04:44:53,218 --> 04:44:55,798
to see those through as best I can so

6569
04:44:55,798 --> 04:44:58,260
Cena thank you for your patience with

6570
04:44:58,260 --> 04:44:59,638
this process

6571
04:44:59,638 --> 04:45:02,420
um so I've asked the commission remove

6572
04:45:02,420 --> 04:45:06,060
ABC Thompson llc's award from any

6573
04:45:06,060 --> 04:45:07,878
potential motion tonight

6574
04:45:07,878 --> 04:45:10,920
I'm happy to talk about any of the

6575
04:45:10,920 --> 04:45:12,540
awards

6576
04:45:12,540 --> 04:45:14,280
um to the extent that I feel that I can

6577
04:45:14,280 --> 04:45:16,200
we did have our evaluation committee

6578
04:45:16,200 --> 04:45:19,860
members signed ndas to just so that we

6579
04:45:19,860 --> 04:45:21,600
wouldn't be revealing confidential

6580
04:45:21,600 --> 04:45:23,458
business information however everyone

6581
04:45:23,458 --> 04:45:25,920
who is on this list tonight is aware

6582
04:45:25,920 --> 04:45:26,820
that

6583
04:45:26,820 --> 04:45:28,740
um you know parts of their project were

6584
04:45:28,740 --> 04:45:30,540
made available so that you all could

6585
04:45:30,540 --> 04:45:33,420
understand at a glance what it is that

6586
04:45:33,420 --> 04:45:35,760
Grand County Economic Development will

6587
04:45:35,760 --> 04:45:38,638
be funding the other note is that there

6588
04:45:38,638 --> 04:45:40,620
will be another star business grant

6589
04:45:40,620 --> 04:45:43,260
approval item of the first November

6590
04:45:43,260 --> 04:45:46,378
commission meeting I didn't want to add

6591
04:45:46,378 --> 04:45:48,540
anyone on here who didn't give me a

6592
04:45:48,540 --> 04:45:50,878
verbal or email yes if they actually

6593
04:45:50,878 --> 04:45:52,620
wanted their award which I know is crazy

6594
04:45:52,620 --> 04:45:55,200
but just want to make sure so this is

6595
04:45:55,200 --> 04:45:57,060
everyone who got back to me in time for

6596
04:45:57,060 --> 04:45:59,940
The A Team deadline so we'll have some

6597
04:45:59,940 --> 04:46:02,520
stragglers in November but I'm still

6598
04:46:02,520 --> 04:46:04,138
working on the contract so it works out

6599
04:46:04,138 --> 04:46:05,878
perfectly for me

6600
04:46:05,878 --> 04:46:07,860
um so I'm happy to talk at length about

6601
04:46:07,860 --> 04:46:11,520
the program any logistical questions and

6602
04:46:11,520 --> 04:46:13,798
then I'm happy to talk to uh to speak to

6603
04:46:13,798 --> 04:46:16,020
some length about the projects

6604
04:46:16,020 --> 04:46:19,200
um that we had before us tonight

6605
04:46:19,200 --> 04:46:21,120
all right if you'd like to ask Ben a

6606
04:46:21,120 --> 04:46:28,128
question or maybe comment

6607
04:46:28,138 --> 04:46:29,940
s hard work

6608
04:46:29,940 --> 04:46:32,218
thanks yeah it's hard work for the

6609
04:46:32,218 --> 04:46:34,620
people thank you Jacques yeah I was I

6610
04:46:34,620 --> 04:46:36,298
was on on this committee there's four

6611
04:46:36,298 --> 04:46:38,280
others on the committee I think um and

6612
04:46:38,280 --> 04:46:40,680
then it was overseen by Ben you did a

6613
04:46:40,680 --> 04:46:42,298
great job of facilitating everything we

6614
04:46:42,298 --> 04:46:44,400
met for two full days and then had a

6615
04:46:44,400 --> 04:46:46,560
couple of follow-up meetings

6616
04:46:46,560 --> 04:46:48,060
um you know you're not going to get

6617
04:46:48,060 --> 04:46:50,280
anything perfect but I think we did

6618
04:46:50,280 --> 04:46:52,500
pretty good due diligence and went

6619
04:46:52,500 --> 04:46:55,920
through and tried to apply an even uh

6620
04:46:55,920 --> 04:46:59,340
approach to Distributing these yeah and

6621
04:46:59,340 --> 04:47:00,600
I was just really impressed with the

6622
04:47:00,600 --> 04:47:02,400
applications like people have some great

6623
04:47:02,400 --> 04:47:04,680
ideas here it's really cool to see what

6624
04:47:04,680 --> 04:47:07,320
some folks are coming up within the

6625
04:47:07,320 --> 04:47:09,900
county to diversify yeah yeah it

6626
04:47:09,900 --> 04:47:11,400
couldn't be more and I want to again

6627
04:47:11,400 --> 04:47:13,020
thank the the committee for all the time

6628
04:47:13,020 --> 04:47:16,320
they put in and might continue

6629
04:47:16,320 --> 04:47:18,420
um as I call on them for for various

6630
04:47:18,420 --> 04:47:19,760
questions

6631
04:47:19,760 --> 04:47:22,560
just uh procedural

6632
04:47:22,560 --> 04:47:24,360
and maybe Christina would be the one

6633
04:47:24,360 --> 04:47:26,340
that answers I'm just wondering if when

6634
04:47:26,340 --> 04:47:29,160
we make the motion we should uh say the

6635
04:47:29,160 --> 04:47:32,040
amount and the company just for the

6636
04:47:32,040 --> 04:47:34,260
record what do you think is that

6637
04:47:34,260 --> 04:47:36,540
necessary

6638
04:47:36,540 --> 04:47:50,330
for the minutes

6639
04:47:50,340 --> 04:47:52,980
you're right I think Mary means does she

6640
04:47:52,980 --> 04:47:55,320
should she states the amounts in each of

6641
04:47:55,320 --> 04:47:58,570
the businesses

6642
04:47:58,580 --> 04:48:01,920
I didn't that I just was wondering and

6643
04:48:01,920 --> 04:48:03,718
Christina didn't chime in so I'm

6644
04:48:03,718 --> 04:48:06,000
guessing it's not necessary sometimes it

6645
04:48:06,000 --> 04:48:08,820
seems to be necessary to do the amount

6646
04:48:08,820 --> 04:48:12,798
so we could say the amount of the

6647
04:48:12,798 --> 04:48:15,620
700 709

6648
04:48:15,620 --> 04:48:18,600
135 dollars but then it's not quite that

6649
04:48:18,600 --> 04:48:20,700
it would be less 100 yeah

6650
04:48:20,700 --> 04:48:28,080
said the last the 609. 600. I recommend

6651
04:48:28,080 --> 04:48:30,780
um that you at least cite two in the

6652
04:48:30,780 --> 04:48:34,020
specific amounts into the companies

6653
04:48:34,020 --> 04:48:38,280
uh support in the package and it's all

6654
04:48:38,280 --> 04:48:39,840
right there so I don't think you need to

6655
04:48:39,840 --> 04:48:42,298
go through every single one

6656
04:48:42,298 --> 04:48:46,128
okay

6657
04:48:46,138 --> 04:48:51,000
yes I'll make I'll move to approve uh

6658
04:48:51,000 --> 04:48:54,138
the grants following star grants

6659
04:48:54,138 --> 04:48:59,160
excluding the hundred thousand to ABC

6660
04:48:59,160 --> 04:49:01,500
Thompson LLC

6661
04:49:01,500 --> 04:49:06,180
and the most uh the amount of money

6662
04:49:06,180 --> 04:49:07,700
will be

6663
04:49:07,700 --> 04:49:10,340
609

6664
04:49:10,340 --> 04:49:14,690
135 dollars

6665
04:49:14,700 --> 04:49:16,620
and did you mean to say that so the

6666
04:49:16,620 --> 04:49:19,500
grants that are in the packet the grants

6667
04:49:19,500 --> 04:49:21,798
that are in the packet

6668
04:49:21,798 --> 04:49:25,368
excluding one

6669
04:49:25,378 --> 04:49:27,780
all right should I repeat that sorry you

6670
04:49:27,780 --> 04:49:34,368
did it well enough

6671
04:49:34,378 --> 04:49:37,138
oh I'll second okay I have a motion by

6672
04:49:37,138 --> 04:49:39,240
Mary to approve the the grants in a

6673
04:49:39,240 --> 04:49:41,160
second by Kevin further discussion on

6674
04:49:41,160 --> 04:49:42,360
the grants

6675
04:49:42,360 --> 04:49:45,420
and and again this is the first batch of

6676
04:49:45,420 --> 04:49:48,420
Grants right that and hopefully we'll be

6677
04:49:48,420 --> 04:49:50,820
able to approve the rest of them at the

6678
04:49:50,820 --> 04:49:52,860
next meeting and I'll add that at a

6679
04:49:52,860 --> 04:49:53,878
future meeting

6680
04:49:53,878 --> 04:49:55,980
um similar to the tourism parent it was

6681
04:49:55,980 --> 04:49:57,000
just a bit easier because only seven

6682
04:49:57,000 --> 04:49:58,860
Awards but I plan to present to the

6683
04:49:58,860 --> 04:50:00,480
commission what our office learned from

6684
04:50:00,480 --> 04:50:03,240
this and how we think we can tailor this

6685
04:50:03,240 --> 04:50:05,280
program going forward

6686
04:50:05,280 --> 04:50:07,020
um to better fit our diversification

6687
04:50:07,020 --> 04:50:08,878
efforts because I think this was an

6688
04:50:08,878 --> 04:50:10,920
awesome pilot we learned a lot um

6689
04:50:10,920 --> 04:50:12,298
there's just a lot more to synthesize

6690
04:50:12,298 --> 04:50:13,980
because they're more

6691
04:50:13,980 --> 04:50:16,138
but that's coming right

6692
04:50:16,138 --> 04:50:18,718
and and I just said before but I just

6693
04:50:18,718 --> 04:50:19,620
wonder

6694
04:50:19,620 --> 04:50:22,020
reiterate and correct me correct me if

6695
04:50:22,020 --> 04:50:23,940
I'm wrong it's not we're not denying the

6696
04:50:23,940 --> 04:50:25,920
grant to

6697
04:50:25,920 --> 04:50:27,020
um

6698
04:50:27,020 --> 04:50:30,240
ABC which just seems a bit premature to

6699
04:50:30,240 --> 04:50:33,060
prove it now it might very well yeah and

6700
04:50:33,060 --> 04:50:35,100
that that's partially on my fault I

6701
04:50:35,100 --> 04:50:36,660
followed through with everyone who

6702
04:50:36,660 --> 04:50:39,298
wanted to discuss it but it seems like I

6703
04:50:39,298 --> 04:50:40,920
didn't include everyone on every

6704
04:50:40,920 --> 04:50:43,080
conversation so we just need to button

6705
04:50:43,080 --> 04:50:44,878
some things up so no no revoking at this

6706
04:50:44,878 --> 04:50:45,600
time

6707
04:50:45,600 --> 04:50:48,530
yeah

6708
04:50:48,540 --> 04:50:50,100
all right

6709
04:50:50,100 --> 04:50:52,080
um call for a vote all those in favor of

6710
04:50:52,080 --> 04:50:54,420
the motion raise your hand

6711
04:50:54,420 --> 04:50:59,340
motion passes unanimously and you do you do a great job yes thank you

6712
04:50:59,340 --> 04:51:02,180
giving away money

6713
04:51:02,180 --> 04:51:05,580
and it's just exciting it's so fun it's

6714
04:51:05,580 --> 04:51:07,620
physically tiring but it's very fun yeah

6715
04:51:07,620 --> 04:51:09,600
you guys get a chance

6716
04:51:09,600 --> 04:51:11,580
work with him on one of the Committees

6717
04:51:11,580 --> 04:51:13,260
it's pretty fun we're running out of

6718
04:51:13,260 --> 04:51:15,670
Commissioners

6719
04:51:15,680 --> 04:51:18,120
all right chiming in from The Ether but

6720
04:51:18,120 --> 04:51:23,100
yes Ben you've done an amazing job and I couldn't trust I I wouldn't trust any

6721
04:51:23,100 --> 04:51:25,020
well I could potentially trust other

6722
04:51:25,020 --> 04:51:27,840
people but I trust you incredibly uh

6723
04:51:27,840 --> 04:51:29,760
highly to take it take this on

6724
04:51:29,760 --> 04:51:31,680
thank you and thanks to our applicants

6725
04:51:31,680 --> 04:51:33,298
for putting their best fee forward it

6726
04:51:33,298 --> 04:51:34,500
was it was a pleasure to go through all

6727
04:51:34,500 --> 04:51:39,000
this and this is the outcome of many

6728
04:51:39,000 --> 04:51:42,360
years of work by uh Chris Baird and

6729
04:51:42,360 --> 04:51:44,878
myself and Evan and different people

6730
04:51:44,878 --> 04:51:47,520
that went up to the Capitol and pounded

6731
04:51:47,520 --> 04:51:50,580
those steps and it took us three years

6732
04:51:50,580 --> 04:51:53,760
wasn't it three or four to move it so

6733
04:51:53,760 --> 04:51:56,700
that now some of the trt tax goes

6734
04:51:56,700 --> 04:51:58,620
directly to help people that live in our

6735
04:51:58,620 --> 04:51:59,580
community

6736
04:51:59,580 --> 04:52:02,340
yes you know that's I mean thank you for

6737
04:52:02,340 --> 04:52:03,660
connecting the dots there because I

6738
04:52:03,660 --> 04:52:05,638
think we do see you know statements that

6739
04:52:05,638 --> 04:52:07,200
you know there's been trt reform and

6740
04:52:07,200 --> 04:52:09,480
it's freeing up all this money and that

6741
04:52:09,480 --> 04:52:11,878
sounds kind of abstract but now we're

6742
04:52:11,878 --> 04:52:13,200
you know with this list of businesses

6743
04:52:13,200 --> 04:52:15,060
and the money that's being awarded to

6744
04:52:15,060 --> 04:52:18,480
them we're seeing you know you what that

6745
04:52:18,480 --> 04:52:20,700
actually means on the ground here yes

6746
04:52:20,700 --> 04:52:21,780
yeah it's money staying in our community

6747
04:52:21,780 --> 04:52:22,980
and there's a there's a great

6748
04:52:22,980 --> 04:52:28,218
multiplayer effect here as well that will do us well for yeah

6749
04:52:28,218 --> 04:52:31,440
and I just just for the public uh

6750
04:52:31,440 --> 04:52:33,060
there's going to be follow-up we're

6751
04:52:33,060 --> 04:52:35,100
going to you know the they're gonna

6752
04:52:35,100 --> 04:52:37,440
we're gonna make sure these grants are

6753
04:52:37,440 --> 04:52:39,900
successful and that the money is spent

6754
04:52:39,900 --> 04:52:41,458
as it was

6755
04:52:41,458 --> 04:52:45,000
designed to be spent so it's not just a

6756
04:52:45,000 --> 04:52:48,060
giveaway and then walk away

6757
04:52:48,060 --> 04:52:50,580
right we're going to be watching it for

6758
04:52:50,580 --> 04:52:51,780
a while

6759
04:52:51,780 --> 04:52:56,160
all right thank you yeah thanks Ben and

6760
04:52:56,160 --> 04:52:58,138
um we'll move on to item G approving uh

6761
04:52:58,138 --> 04:52:59,638
Cooperative agreement between John State

6762
04:52:59,638 --> 04:53:02,458
University and Grand County Utah from A

6763
04:53:02,458 --> 04:53:04,798
Small Business Development Center sure

6764
04:53:04,798 --> 04:53:08,100
So speaking of our grant programs this

6765
04:53:08,100 --> 04:53:10,440
was a position that we had hoped to have

6766
04:53:10,440 --> 04:53:12,180
in place by the time that we started our

6767
04:53:12,180 --> 04:53:13,920
grant programs

6768
04:53:13,920 --> 04:53:17,718
um fortunately for us Megan McFall who

6769
04:53:17,718 --> 04:53:22,378
runs the SBD C out of Blanding for San

6770
04:53:22,378 --> 04:53:25,020
Juan County has been pitching in for our

6771
04:53:25,020 --> 04:53:27,420
County as well in the absence of having

6772
04:53:27,420 --> 04:53:29,580
this role filled she's done an

6773
04:53:29,580 --> 04:53:31,320
incredible job and she's learned a ton

6774
04:53:31,320 --> 04:53:34,740
about our business community and so when

6775
04:53:34,740 --> 04:53:36,958
we bring on this new role I think that

6776
04:53:36,958 --> 04:53:38,100
we're assured that they're going to have

6777
04:53:38,100 --> 04:53:40,980
very local relevant training in addition

6778
04:53:40,980 --> 04:53:43,320
to Great Financial Training

6779
04:53:43,320 --> 04:53:45,958
um the sbdc role that we used to have in

6780
04:53:45,958 --> 04:53:48,718
the county was a part-time role and

6781
04:53:48,718 --> 04:53:54,360
while it was of immense benefit to businesses it was clear that was something that needed to become

6782
04:53:54,360 --> 04:53:57,120
full-time because especially with what

6783
04:53:57,120 --> 04:53:58,940
Mary was referencing with the change in

6784
04:53:58,940 --> 04:54:01,798
trt law we have so many more

6785
04:54:01,798 --> 04:54:03,600
opportunities to work with businesses

6786
04:54:03,600 --> 04:54:06,600
and see new Endeavors through it so with

6787
04:54:06,600 --> 04:54:10,500
all that said we got together with us a

6788
04:54:10,500 --> 04:54:12,718
year ago at this point and hammered out

6789
04:54:12,718 --> 04:54:16,378
a plan for us to fund the role while

6790
04:54:16,378 --> 04:54:18,480
still being maintained under the purview

6791
04:54:18,480 --> 04:54:22,080
of USU as the sbdc rule usually is so

6792
04:54:22,080 --> 04:54:23,638
that we could bring it to a full-time

6793
04:54:23,638 --> 04:54:25,200
role at least for the next three years

6794
04:54:25,200 --> 04:54:27,180
and then I think at that point we're

6795
04:54:27,180 --> 04:54:28,440
going to reassess and see how it's

6796
04:54:28,440 --> 04:54:30,420
working out and if that partnership will

6797
04:54:30,420 --> 04:54:32,218
continue if that role should stay as

6798
04:54:32,218 --> 04:54:34,860
full time I suspect it would be but you

6799
04:54:34,860 --> 04:54:37,320
know that's for time to determine so

6800
04:54:37,320 --> 04:54:39,298
we're excited to work with USU on this

6801
04:54:39,298 --> 04:54:41,520
and um really stoked that the county

6802
04:54:41,520 --> 04:54:43,440
wants to fund us this was something we

6803
04:54:43,440 --> 04:54:45,540
talked about many months ago and I think

6804
04:54:45,540 --> 04:54:48,120
it just got lost in boxes so

6805
04:54:48,120 --> 04:54:51,240
happy to bring it back

6806
04:54:51,240 --> 04:54:53,940
all right thanks Ben any uh any

6807
04:54:53,940 --> 04:54:58,430
questions on this for Ben

6808
04:54:58,440 --> 04:55:01,798
I have a question Ben sure I'm confused

6809
04:55:01,798 --> 04:55:04,200
given our conversation do you need a

6810
04:55:04,200 --> 04:55:05,760
resolution or do you not need a

6811
04:55:05,760 --> 04:55:08,218
resolution do you just do the mou

6812
04:55:08,218 --> 04:55:11,520
what are we approving so U.S just needs

6813
04:55:11,520 --> 04:55:13,138
the mou

6814
04:55:13,138 --> 04:55:15,240
um when I send it to you you put in

6815
04:55:15,240 --> 04:55:19,320
resolution format and so I assume that was the best way to go forward on

6816
04:55:19,320 --> 04:55:21,000
the County's end

6817
04:55:21,000 --> 04:55:23,040
um if this is not the way to do it then

6818
04:55:23,040 --> 04:55:24,718
we can just bring it back next

6819
04:55:24,718 --> 04:55:26,458
commission meeting as just the plain old

6820
04:55:26,458 --> 04:55:27,900
mou we got

6821
04:55:27,900 --> 04:55:31,680
um I wasn't particularly sure about uh

6822
04:55:31,680 --> 04:55:34,200
the difference in an mou versus a

6823
04:55:34,200 --> 04:55:36,420
resolution for you know the County's

6824
04:55:36,420 --> 04:55:37,560
purposes

6825
04:55:37,560 --> 04:55:39,660
um so we don't we don't need the

6826
04:55:39,660 --> 04:55:42,000
resolution so I think we just had a

6827
04:55:42,000 --> 04:55:44,040
miscommunication about needing their own

6828
04:55:44,040 --> 04:55:46,260
solution so if all you need is mou you

6829
04:55:46,260 --> 04:55:48,000
don't need to bring it back mou is there

6830
04:55:48,000 --> 04:55:50,700
it's the exhibited to the resolution but

6831
04:55:50,700 --> 04:55:52,798
commission you you can instead of

6832
04:55:52,798 --> 04:55:54,958
approving the resolution you can just

6833
04:55:54,958 --> 04:55:57,360
approve the mou in the packet and leave

6834
04:55:57,360 --> 04:56:00,900
it at that makes sense

6835
04:56:00,900 --> 04:56:03,420
yeah and and I've reviewed this a ton

6836
04:56:03,420 --> 04:56:04,798
with Christine who's an awesome job and

6837
04:56:04,798 --> 04:56:07,020
I can confirm that the mou other than

6838
04:56:07,020 --> 04:56:09,600
the letterhead essentially is reproduced

6839
04:56:09,600 --> 04:56:12,120
exactly as exhibit a so that is what USU

6840
04:56:12,120 --> 04:56:14,280
sent us and what they're expecting us to

6841
04:56:14,280 --> 04:56:15,360
decide

6842
04:56:15,360 --> 04:56:18,288
great

6843
04:56:18,298 --> 04:56:20,520
I moved to approve the Cooperative

6844
04:56:20,520 --> 04:56:23,160
agreement between Utah State University

6845
04:56:23,160 --> 04:56:25,680
and Grand County for the purpose of

6846
04:56:25,680 --> 04:56:29,040
establishing the Moab Small Business

6847
04:56:29,040 --> 04:56:32,040
Development Center

6848
04:56:32,040 --> 04:56:42,410
foreign

6849
04:56:42,420 --> 04:56:45,900
yes excellent all right I have a motion

6850
04:56:45,900 --> 04:56:48,180
to approve the mou by Mary in a second

6851
04:56:48,180 --> 04:56:49,920
by Evan

6852
04:56:49,920 --> 04:56:53,580
and uh uh

6853
04:56:53,580 --> 04:56:55,920
would be spread out over the fiscal

6854
04:56:55,920 --> 04:56:57,958
impact would be spread out over three

6855
04:56:57,958 --> 04:57:01,320
years for up to a hundred thousand not

6856
04:57:01,320 --> 04:57:03,480
to exceed yeah

6857
04:57:03,480 --> 04:57:06,540
and is that from just general funding

6858
04:57:06,540 --> 04:57:08,340
it's money

6859
04:57:08,340 --> 04:57:09,060
um

6860
04:57:09,060 --> 04:57:10,138
every question actually don't know

6861
04:57:10,138 --> 04:57:12,298
August can you clarify it's from it's

6862
04:57:12,298 --> 04:57:14,920
from trt economic diversification

6863
04:57:14,920 --> 04:57:16,500
[Music]

6864
04:57:16,500 --> 04:57:20,030
great

6865
04:57:20,040 --> 04:57:22,980
any other questions or discussion

6866
04:57:22,980 --> 04:57:26,638
seeing none I'll call for a vote on uh

6867
04:57:26,638 --> 04:57:29,340
the motion by Mary in the second by Evan

6868
04:57:29,340 --> 04:57:30,540
uh all there's in favor of the motion

6869
04:57:30,540 --> 04:57:32,400
raise your hand

6870
04:57:32,400 --> 04:57:35,100
and that passes seven to nothing

6871
04:57:35,100 --> 04:57:37,860
thank you all all right thanks or thanks

6872
04:57:37,860 --> 04:57:47,930
August and Ben thanks thanks so much

6873
04:57:47,940 --> 04:57:52,368
thanks have a good night

6874
04:57:52,378 --> 04:57:54,060
all right

6875
04:57:54,060 --> 04:57:55,680
um item eight approving Board of

6876
04:57:55,680 --> 04:57:56,940
Equalization hearing officer

6877
04:57:56,940 --> 04:57:59,760
recommendations clerk hoytek all right

6878
04:57:59,760 --> 04:58:02,280
so you'll see in the packet um

6879
04:58:02,280 --> 04:58:04,920
provided a table of

6880
04:58:04,920 --> 04:58:09,240
um Parcels that did go undergo in an

6881
04:58:09,240 --> 04:58:11,820
adjustment as a as a result of an appeal

6882
04:58:11,820 --> 04:58:14,040
with the hearing officer representing

6883
04:58:14,040 --> 04:58:16,920
Grand County who is Randy Kelly he's

6884
04:58:16,920 --> 04:58:19,500
worked with Debbie Swayze the assess the

6885
04:58:19,500 --> 04:58:21,060
Grand County Assessor

6886
04:58:21,060 --> 04:58:24,240
I think for 12 something 10 years or

6887
04:58:24,240 --> 04:58:26,040
more now in that in that role was Grand

6888
04:58:26,040 --> 04:58:27,780
County

6889
04:58:27,780 --> 04:58:30,060
um and so presented in the table are

6890
04:58:30,060 --> 04:58:31,920
those recommended changes from that

6891
04:58:31,920 --> 04:58:34,260
process of of seeing hearings by the

6892
04:58:34,260 --> 04:58:36,360
Board of Equalization I did get a chance

6893
04:58:36,360 --> 04:58:39,540
to sit in on a couple of them

6894
04:58:39,540 --> 04:58:41,638
um I'm not sure if Debbie is available

6895
04:58:41,638 --> 04:58:43,260
on the call

6896
04:58:43,260 --> 04:58:45,180
um if we're aware if anyone has any

6897
04:58:45,180 --> 04:58:47,820
particular questions but the general

6898
04:58:47,820 --> 04:58:51,480
breakdown is that there was a decrease in total market value of a

6899
04:58:51,480 --> 04:58:52,980
million one hundred to seventy seven

6900
04:58:52,980 --> 04:58:54,718
thousand five hundred and fifty three

6901
04:58:54,718 --> 04:58:56,218
dollars

6902
04:58:56,218 --> 04:58:59,638
and the taxable values decreased by

6903
04:58:59,638 --> 04:59:01,620
amount of by the amount of three million

6904
04:59:01,620 --> 04:59:03,120
seven hundred and ninety nine thousand

6905
04:59:03,120 --> 04:59:05,040
nine hundred and eighty seven dollars

6906
04:59:05,040 --> 04:59:06,660
and so the reason

6907
04:59:06,660 --> 04:59:10,500
that maybe may look incongruous is that

6908
04:59:10,500 --> 04:59:13,020
um uh in many cases the market value

6909
04:59:13,020 --> 04:59:15,540
didn't was it changed as a result of

6910
04:59:15,540 --> 04:59:17,700
this appeal but that but the taxable

6911
04:59:17,700 --> 04:59:21,600
value was changed was uh was changed

6912
04:59:21,600 --> 04:59:23,700
because it went from a second secondary

6913
04:59:23,700 --> 04:59:26,520
to a primary and so that and so that

6914
04:59:26,520 --> 04:59:29,100
means that the taxable values uh I

6915
04:59:29,100 --> 04:59:32,090
believe it's 45 percent

6916
04:59:32,100 --> 04:59:37,128
um

6917
04:59:37,138 --> 04:59:42,060
uh discount is 45. yeah okay

6918
04:59:42,060 --> 04:59:44,100
um so yeah and then the the certified

6919
04:59:44,100 --> 04:59:45,780
tax rate

6920
04:59:45,780 --> 04:59:46,680
um

6921
04:59:46,680 --> 04:59:49,080
you know which was uh sort of proposed

6922
04:59:49,080 --> 04:59:50,820
by the state and certified

6923
04:59:50,820 --> 04:59:52,798
um by myself and and by you the

6924
04:59:52,798 --> 04:59:54,298
commission

6925
04:59:54,298 --> 04:59:57,200
um that so that certified tax rate

6926
04:59:57,200 --> 05:00:00,420
applied to that um that decrease in

6927
05:00:00,420 --> 05:00:02,280
taxable value

6928
05:00:02,280 --> 05:00:04,798
um results in a decreased total tax

6929
05:00:04,798 --> 05:00:06,360
dollars for all entities of

6930
05:00:06,360 --> 05:00:10,500
approximately 39 941.66

6931
05:00:10,500 --> 05:00:12,180
sense

6932
05:00:12,180 --> 05:00:15,718
um so yeah and you know in looking at

6933
05:00:15,718 --> 05:00:18,298
this and sort of considering how for

6934
05:00:18,298 --> 05:00:20,218
example a Treasurer Kaufman typically

6935
05:00:20,218 --> 05:00:22,080
presents items like this I'm thinking

6936
05:00:22,080 --> 05:00:24,480
that perhaps in the future

6937
05:00:24,480 --> 05:00:26,820
um a little bit of historical data could

6938
05:00:26,820 --> 05:00:28,560
be really useful and illustrative for

6939
05:00:28,560 --> 05:00:30,540
the Commission in terms of how many

6940
05:00:30,540 --> 05:00:32,580
hearings happened maybe within the past

6941
05:00:32,580 --> 05:00:34,860
10 years and what these what these total

6942
05:00:34,860 --> 05:00:37,320
amounts would be from year to year so I

6943
05:00:37,320 --> 05:00:39,420
look forward as I continue in this role

6944
05:00:39,420 --> 05:00:41,820
to think about those opportunities to

6945
05:00:41,820 --> 05:00:43,200
provide better information to the

6946
05:00:43,200 --> 05:00:45,180
commission I know Kevin in particular

6947
05:00:45,180 --> 05:00:47,520
will appreciate it and you just took

6948
05:00:47,520 --> 05:00:49,860
some words out of my mouth because you

6949
05:00:49,860 --> 05:00:52,500
didn't fully preempt me so but I can say

6950
05:00:52,500 --> 05:00:55,080
that with regards to last year

6951
05:00:55,080 --> 05:00:57,420
um even though this is this reassessment

6952
05:00:57,420 --> 05:00:59,040
that happened this year was in the city

6953
05:00:59,040 --> 05:01:01,620
district and we did see quite a lot of

6954
05:01:01,620 --> 05:01:02,820
increases

6955
05:01:02,820 --> 05:01:04,860
um the amount of appeals and adjustments

6956
05:01:04,860 --> 05:01:07,620
were relatively in line

6957
05:01:07,620 --> 05:01:10,200
um I I can say from from last year which

6958
05:01:10,200 --> 05:01:12,240
also saw a lot of increases just not in

6959
05:01:12,240 --> 05:01:13,500
the city district

6960
05:01:13,500 --> 05:01:15,660
uh any questions

6961
05:01:15,660 --> 05:01:18,480
yeah well some of us just some comments

6962
05:01:18,480 --> 05:01:20,520
for for next next time I just go through

6963
05:01:20,520 --> 05:01:23,100
this having kind of a

6964
05:01:23,100 --> 05:01:24,298
friend

6965
05:01:24,298 --> 05:01:26,340
um would be useful but I think as you

6966
05:01:26,340 --> 05:01:27,900
just pointed out

6967
05:01:27,900 --> 05:01:30,540
um our you know every five year

6968
05:01:30,540 --> 05:01:32,280
reassessment schedule is pretty uneven

6969
05:01:32,280 --> 05:01:34,138
and so this was a big year with a lot of

6970
05:01:34,138 --> 05:01:36,718
properties being reassessed some years

6971
05:01:36,718 --> 05:01:38,520
it's just it's only the Hinterlands in

6972
05:01:38,520 --> 05:01:40,500
the county and that's very different so

6973
05:01:40,500 --> 05:01:42,180
it's so a year over year comparison

6974
05:01:42,180 --> 05:01:43,980
isn't very useful

6975
05:01:43,980 --> 05:01:46,138
um you know normalizing it by a taxable

6976
05:01:46,138 --> 05:01:48,000
value is something could be helpful or

6977
05:01:48,000 --> 05:01:50,638
going back five or ten years could also

6978
05:01:50,638 --> 05:01:52,080
useful

6979
05:01:52,080 --> 05:01:52,860
um

6980
05:01:52,860 --> 05:01:54,840
I

6981
05:01:54,840 --> 05:01:57,060
it seemed if I heard you correctly it

6982
05:01:57,060 --> 05:01:58,378
seems like quite a lot of these are just

6983
05:01:58,378 --> 05:02:01,378
people who got assessed as a secondary

6984
05:02:01,378 --> 05:02:03,180
residence and they're saying no no I

6985
05:02:03,180 --> 05:02:05,580
live here in this primary that that's

6986
05:02:05,580 --> 05:02:10,680
two-thirds of it or something right or they may rent it to a primary

6987
05:02:10,680 --> 05:02:13,620
resident yeah yeah okay

6988
05:02:13,620 --> 05:02:14,520
um

6989
05:02:14,520 --> 05:02:15,958
and then I guess

6990
05:02:15,958 --> 05:02:19,740
it does seem a little I mean is there

6991
05:02:19,740 --> 05:02:21,600
some confidentiality reason that we

6992
05:02:21,600 --> 05:02:24,060
can't actually see addresses or just

6993
05:02:24,060 --> 05:02:25,440
some kind of characterization like each

6994
05:02:25,440 --> 05:02:27,180
of these items

6995
05:02:27,180 --> 05:02:29,040
I remember going through that a few

6996
05:02:29,040 --> 05:02:30,298
years ago and someone said oh yeah this

6997
05:02:30,298 --> 05:02:32,520
was a hotel that you know they had a

6998
05:02:32,520 --> 05:02:33,840
flood in One Wing and so they thought

6999
05:02:33,840 --> 05:02:35,940
their valuation you know that that kind

7000
05:02:35,940 --> 05:02:38,100
of information could be helpful or at

7001
05:02:38,100 --> 05:02:39,840
least flagging the ones that are you

7002
05:02:39,840 --> 05:02:43,490
know a little unusual

7003
05:02:43,500 --> 05:02:46,378
I know I mean I just just one wants to

7004
05:02:46,378 --> 05:02:48,360
get a feeling of what's going on and you

7005
05:02:48,360 --> 05:02:51,000
know when these valuation changes happen

7006
05:02:51,000 --> 05:02:53,760
and a big table of numbers doesn't help

7007
05:02:53,760 --> 05:02:54,780
them

7008
05:02:54,780 --> 05:02:57,298
you know and yeah the only thing I can

7009
05:02:57,298 --> 05:02:59,458
think of is that you know the the tax

7010
05:02:59,458 --> 05:03:01,920
bill records you know are essentially

7011
05:03:01,920 --> 05:03:03,480
public record it's something that you

7012
05:03:03,480 --> 05:03:05,100
can search up the only thing I can think

7013
05:03:05,100 --> 05:03:07,440
of is that folks haven't even gotten

7014
05:03:07,440 --> 05:03:09,660
their tax bills yet for this year and so

7015
05:03:09,660 --> 05:03:12,090
perhaps there's an element of

7016
05:03:12,090 --> 05:03:12,660
[Music]

7017
05:03:12,660 --> 05:03:13,740
um

7018
05:03:13,740 --> 05:03:15,900
perhaps there's an element of waiting

7019
05:03:15,900 --> 05:03:18,780
until you know you know folks get their

7020
05:03:18,780 --> 05:03:20,638
actual bill before it's sort of released

7021
05:03:20,638 --> 05:03:21,900
to the public I'm not sure that's the

7022
05:03:21,900 --> 05:03:23,218
only thing I can think of at the moment

7023
05:03:23,218 --> 05:03:26,280
as to why um I have intentionally sort

7024
05:03:26,280 --> 05:03:28,320
of followed the model of keeping you

7025
05:03:28,320 --> 05:03:30,180
know what actually

7026
05:03:30,180 --> 05:03:31,740
you know what it might be as much as

7027
05:03:31,740 --> 05:03:34,500
anything is our our property tax

7028
05:03:34,500 --> 05:03:36,840
software when I generate reports from

7029
05:03:36,840 --> 05:03:40,500
that they um their the report that I use

7030
05:03:40,500 --> 05:03:43,798
to create this generate this spreadsheet

7031
05:03:43,798 --> 05:03:46,080
um actually doesn't include the um owner

7032
05:03:46,080 --> 05:03:48,600
names it's just by parcel for that

7033
05:03:48,600 --> 05:03:50,520
particular report so I think as much as

7034
05:03:50,520 --> 05:03:55,680
anything it might be like you know the you know I I haven't developed the

7035
05:03:55,680 --> 05:03:57,900
trick yet to associate the the owner

7036
05:03:57,900 --> 05:03:59,878
names or the the addresses with the

7037
05:03:59,878 --> 05:04:02,458
personal numbers yeah and even I mean I

7038
05:04:02,458 --> 05:04:04,200
don't know that names are necessary you

7039
05:04:04,200 --> 05:04:08,218
know addresses might be helpful but even if this were just somehow

7040
05:04:08,218 --> 05:04:10,080
categorized like you know here's you

7041
05:04:10,080 --> 05:04:12,298
know here the first block you know this

7042
05:04:12,298 --> 05:04:13,138
is

7043
05:04:13,138 --> 05:04:15,660
secondary to primary and then the next

7044
05:04:15,660 --> 05:04:21,660
block is I don't know yeah totally and I think I took I took one small step in

7045
05:04:21,660 --> 05:04:23,520
that direction by adding the key at the

7046
05:04:23,520 --> 05:04:25,200
top which hadn't been offered in the

7047
05:04:25,200 --> 05:04:27,298
past okay but but you're right I think I

7048
05:04:27,298 --> 05:04:30,000
could even go further than that

7049
05:04:30,000 --> 05:04:32,040
okay sorry to give you such a hard time

7050
05:04:32,040 --> 05:04:37,970
no no that's totally great yeah

7051
05:04:37,980 --> 05:04:44,930
any other uh questions for Gabe

7052
05:04:44,940 --> 05:04:46,860
don't think we have a motion on the

7053
05:04:46,860 --> 05:04:49,260
table yet we don't right I would move to

7054
05:04:49,260 --> 05:04:50,940
prove the proposed Board of Equalization

7055
05:04:50,940 --> 05:04:52,560
hearing officers recommendations

7056
05:04:52,560 --> 05:04:54,600
resulting from taxpayer evaluation

7057
05:04:54,600 --> 05:04:58,980
appeals during the 2020 to Boe hearings

7058
05:04:58,980 --> 05:05:02,700
I'll second all right motion by

7059
05:05:02,700 --> 05:05:03,840
commissioner Clapper second by

7060
05:05:03,840 --> 05:05:06,060
commissioner Walker any other discussion

7061
05:05:06,060 --> 05:05:08,330
on that

7062
05:05:08,340 --> 05:05:10,260
seeing Nano call for a vote all those in

7063
05:05:10,260 --> 05:05:12,420
favor the motion raise your hand

7064
05:05:12,420 --> 05:05:14,458
passes six to nothing with commissioner

7065
05:05:14,458 --> 05:05:16,500
stock absence

7066
05:05:16,500 --> 05:05:20,580
and that ends our uh actually it brings

7067
05:05:20,580 --> 05:05:22,798
us to the consent agenda

7068
05:05:22,798 --> 05:05:25,138
um tonight's consent agenda consists of

7069
05:05:25,138 --> 05:05:29,760
item a sole source purchase uh Eco equip

7070
05:05:29,760 --> 05:05:32,878
Hydro media blaster

7071
05:05:32,878 --> 05:05:35,458
um we also have applications to the

7072
05:05:35,458 --> 05:05:37,440
Bureau of Land Management to renew Road

7073
05:05:37,440 --> 05:05:41,218
rights of way uh ratifying chair

7074
05:05:41,218 --> 05:05:43,378
signature on updated opioid legal

7075
05:05:43,378 --> 05:05:45,378
representation agreement

7076
05:05:45,378 --> 05:05:48,480
ratified Grand County Sub grantee

7077
05:05:48,480 --> 05:05:50,340
agreement between Utah Association of

7078
05:05:50,340 --> 05:05:52,138
family support center Incorporated and

7079
05:05:52,138 --> 05:05:55,020
Family Support Center Grant County and

7080
05:05:55,020 --> 05:05:57,958
lastly renewal of 400 East Highway 191

7081
05:05:57,958 --> 05:06:00,298
billboard

7082
05:06:00,298 --> 05:06:02,218
so moved

7083
05:06:02,218 --> 05:06:05,100
and I'll second that all right motion to

7084
05:06:05,100 --> 05:06:06,840
approve the consent agenda by

7085
05:06:06,840 --> 05:06:08,100
commissioner mcgannon a second by

7086
05:06:08,100 --> 05:06:09,780
commissioner Adin in a discussion on the

7087
05:06:09,780 --> 05:06:11,218
consent agenda

7088
05:06:11,218 --> 05:06:12,900
and we usually don't but I have two

7089
05:06:12,900 --> 05:06:16,560
things when I Googled uh Hydro Blaster I

7090
05:06:16,560 --> 05:06:18,120
came up with a bunch of Super Soaker

7091
05:06:18,120 --> 05:06:21,350
squirt guns

7092
05:06:21,360 --> 05:06:22,680
the record that's not what we're

7093
05:06:22,680 --> 05:06:24,718
discussing

7094
05:06:24,718 --> 05:06:31,208
uh

7095
05:06:31,218 --> 05:06:36,120
right yeah and I'm I'm uh not a fan of

7096
05:06:36,120 --> 05:06:38,700
billboards so that's the justification

7097
05:06:38,700 --> 05:06:40,520
of the way I'll vote

7098
05:06:40,520 --> 05:06:43,080
all right

7099
05:06:43,080 --> 05:06:45,060
um on the subject you feel I'm not a fan

7100
05:06:45,060 --> 05:06:46,980
of billboards either but if we are going

7101
05:06:46,980 --> 05:06:48,540
to have Billboards which are very hard

7102
05:06:48,540 --> 05:06:50,400
to get rid of because of state code I'd

7103
05:06:50,400 --> 05:06:52,138
like them to be our Billboards rather

7104
05:06:52,138 --> 05:06:54,298
than some random person's building so

7105
05:06:54,298 --> 05:06:56,580
I'm in favor of us you know snapping up

7106
05:06:56,580 --> 05:06:58,700
all the Billboards we can't

7107
05:06:58,700 --> 05:07:02,520
I like it all right this discussion has

7108
05:07:02,520 --> 05:07:04,580
persuaded me

7109
05:07:04,580 --> 05:07:07,200
I have a motion uh to approve the

7110
05:07:07,200 --> 05:07:08,638
consent agenda by commissioner McGann in

7111
05:07:08,638 --> 05:07:10,260
the second by commissioner hideen all

7112
05:07:10,260 --> 05:07:11,520
those in favor of the motion raise your

7113
05:07:11,520 --> 05:07:12,480
hand

7114
05:07:12,480 --> 05:07:15,900
and that passes unanimously

7115
05:07:15,900 --> 05:07:18,480
excellent

7116
05:07:18,480 --> 05:07:19,680
um

7117
05:07:19,680 --> 05:07:23,638
go to entertain a motion to go I moved

7118
05:07:23,638 --> 05:07:25,440
that we go into closed session to talk

7119
05:07:25,440 --> 05:07:30,200
uh discuss uh pending or reasonable

7120
05:07:30,200 --> 05:07:33,540
imminent dedication

7121
05:07:33,540 --> 05:07:34,980
one second

7122
05:07:34,980 --> 05:07:37,560
all right uh any discussion another

7123
05:07:37,560 --> 05:07:39,240
motion

7124
05:07:39,240 --> 05:07:41,458
all in favor of going into closed

7125
05:07:41,458 --> 05:07:43,138
session raise your hand

7126
05:07:43,138 --> 05:07:46,620
passes unanimously time is

7127
05:07:46,620 --> 05:07:52,040
it is uh 709 P.M