now
Dan can you hear it just now
hello Ben
got it all right looks like we're
good
okay
all right it's uh
203 October 18th I will open this uh
Grand County Commission uh workshop on
special events in attendance we have
commissioner Sarah stock Kevin Walker uh
Jesse Kovash Trisha Dean Mary McGann and
myself Josh Hadler we also have uh clerk
Gabe Wake Tech admission commission
administrator Mallory Nassau and
Associate administrator Quinn Hall and
from special events we have Angie book
director of osta and Rachel Bartlett
um with the economic development
department and special events
coordinator
um I will turn this over to Angie and
Rachel at this time
okay I'm so would you guys like us to
start with just going event by event and
we answer questions
okay maybe explain the
we need
to go through
criteria how to
yeah I think you're like starting with
the ordinance probably just I think just for the public it'd probably be
worth going over
um criteria and
um I guess yeah exactly okay we haven't
passed the ordinance yet so okay you
might want to chime in a little bit on
this because I'm not as familiar with
the ordinance it's going to be moisture
As You Are
so what we're going to do is go over the
criteria
um for these events being here these are
the high impact events that meet County
Commission requirement for needing
approval so these are the events that
um are over a certain number do you want
to
I would say
what they are is we have the little
special event advisory committee meet
yeah and so I think this catches some
that are kind of in a in a gray area
like well
like we continue this could be high
impact based on but it's not a
we're not at the point and I don't think
we're going to set it up that it's ever
you know black and white we want to keep
it kind of holistic but this is within
the ordinance in terms of the size but
there are other things that we capture
that we thought until that is ironed out
with the ordinance we just thought it
would be best to bring it to all of you
that sounds good but you guys decided
get your feedback on a
um so the way we have it set up is it
will be the event
um the date of the event the total daily
attendance so the total daily tenants is
everything and hold those participants
that's staff that's registration uh
volunteers that's the whole toll
um and then some staff notes we thought
we would just touch on the important
notes and Angie on the attendance I know
I'm in the past there's been some
confusion about whether attendance is
number of vehicles or number of people
yeah in the for the events listed here
is all the number of people it's all of
it
okay so if I see a motorized event with
40 people I can guess that might you
know should be in 20 or 30 vehicles
know that answer I'll try to give that
as I go through
um so the first one and we numbered them
so as I go through I'll give the number
and then see if it
so the first one is the Arches ultra
marathon and the type is athletic it's
competition it's a running event the
date is January 28th total daily
attendance is 1 385.
staff knows is this is a running event
I'm using Brands kwanzo's Klondike glove
it has a five years of history and good
standing and the ITA was also approved
by SEC before all the process changes
any questions on that event
um where do you know where it's staged
from they started the brands and then
they run through some of the trails in
Quantum product Blossom and come back
through
I like it that it's in January
is a great time
the Mad moose right which is which is
local that's the Ricks right yeah Denise
and Justin yeah
the next one we're going into February
this is Bob's Red Hot it's also an
athletic competition event the date
February 18th total of daily attendance
is 1100. also running an event
um the event is using lower Gemini
Bridges area 16 years of history in good
standing it also was
um the ITA was approved through sec is
I'll just keep going you guys let me
know if you have questions okay I think
that's great yeah
um really quickly I'm sorry if this has
already done what I say for people
listening what SEC is
oh second is the special event
advisory committee
um March attempt to Appliance number
three is lineup Red Cliffs this this is
actually a group of eight concerts
um spanning over the season
they don't have their exact dates yet
but they wanted to get their attempt to
apply it because they'll be starting in
the spring
and so it's March through June and
they're looking at eight dates and
they're looking at 750 per event
um their music events held at Red Cliffs
Lodge using a permanent stage
um and then the schedule is not
finalized yet
yeah
go ahead Mary so this would be an event
that uh
for locals to go to the concert
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um are they on the weekends or is there
should be done they don't have those
dates
I think one of them that we said I
wouldn't say was April 30th but they're
working with the artist's schedule so
they're kind of catching people as
they're going from Denver to Salt Lake
and stuff like that so some of them
would probably be on a weekday some of
them will probably be weekends there's
no way to know at this point and this
will be the first year for these they
actually have done two three
um for this this fall I think two of
them are already happened and there's
one coming up next month were they as
large I don't think they're as large all
the numbers are can't say maximum
anticipated attention so these are very
optimistic projections
yeah we told them to go with a higher
number rather they'd rather be safe than
sorry on the low number I mean I I like
the sound of music
um my concern here is just the level of
traffic on the River Road and if it's on
Peak weekends what's happening then
I mean the filming is having a huge
impact on traffic on the River Road also
and that's
it's just a very high use area but I'm
not sure
it's hard to know if it's if we don't
know when the dates are or when I spoke
to Stephen Stephen Walker from my place
he's student organizing he is
anticipating a certain percentage of
that being the people who are staying at
the lodge as well um you didn't give me
an exact number because again this is a
new series
it takes a couple years to kind of
figure out exactly where people are
coming from
yeah
excuse me
any other questions on the red Cliff's
events
okay so number four is Moab run the
Rocks it's also an athletic competition
event the dates are March 3rd through
March 5th daily total attendance is 500.
um running event Gemini Bridges
Magnificent Seven France and Navajo
rocks this is a new event
um their ice their ITA was approved by
sakfa for the process
okay gotcha yeah so this is so it's the
same organizers as above rocks yeah
number five is the skinny Tire Fest
athletic um this is a fundraiser event
there are fundraising goes to the
American Lung Society the dates are
March 11th through the 14th total daily
attendance is 645.
um
the roads the cycling event using the
Loop Road potash Road 313 to Denver's
Point State Park in Arches National Park
and then they also have 22 years of good
standing history
um real quick going back to the Moab run
the Rocks where does the staging for
that take place
it's different days
so the first day they're doing the
Gemini Bridges mag 7 so they're staging
at the Seven Mile parking lot the second
day is the brand so the branch parking
lot into the third day is chronic blood
so The Chronic blood
okay
although I think they do also offer a
shuttle if I remember correctly they do
that for the bike event I don't know if
they're going to do that for the running
event or not
um number six is the Canyonlands half
marathon it's an athletic competent
competitive running event I'm using
Highway 128 dates are March 18th total
daily attendance is 1700. I am this does
require an advanced life support station
due to it being over 1500 participants
it has 47 years of good standing in
history
um the ITA was also approved before
processing through sec
number seven behind the Rocks Ultra is
an athletic competitive event on March
25th total daily attendance is 450. I'm
running an event using behind the Rocks
minimal Trail usage in Grant County nine
years of history and good standing and
the ITA was also approved through sec
for any process changes
Moab rocks number eight
is also an athletic competitive event
for the dates of March 25th through 27th
daily total attendance is 435
mountain biking event using the whole
enchilada Klondike gloves and
Magnificent Seven Ten Years of history
and good standing and the ITA was also
approved through SEC before process
changes
I'm going to skip over number nine real
quick and jump to number 10.
because I'm in a group number nine in
with other items
um number 10 is Easter Jeep Safari it's
a motorized event and Expo
that takes place on trails and at osta
the dates are March 31st through April
9th daily total attendance is 750.
uh they have over 58 years of good
standing history
their BLM permit allows 50 vehicles per
Trail but they keep it between 25 to 40.
they like to say below the threshold and
that depends on what trail they're going
to be on
um
and
so again so on the sheet that we have
Jesus as far as number nine yeah
I want to go back to normal but on my
seat number nine is Jeep Safari she's
looking at the um agenda summary
so but but I guess my other comments is
we reached the end of a quarter maybe we
should
I mean the the format we're trying to
get into is we look at everything for
according to make a decision so
you want me to stop and then we'll touch
bases yeah why don't we try to figure
out this first quarter and then resume
so we'll stop it you want to stop at mob
rocks or do you want to include Jeep
Safari Chief so far it seems like it's
mostly in April so I would include that
as a spring event
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lots of athletic events the first
quarter left and running
yeah so I guess my impression is you
know there it is heavy on running events
um
it's it's not a really a packed calendar
I think because of the time the time of
year
um I mean I do I do think we have quite
a lot of relevant running events around
here we should like automatically
the great but these mostly seem to be
stage and appropriate places I'm I'm not
as familiar with some of the trails
they're using
um but I was wondering if something this
is kind of a warm-up for the next
quarter which is much bigger but you
know we could look at what would happen
if we approve the events that have been
going on for say more than 12 years or
something like that and then see how
full the calendar looks and see whether
we want to add anything additional
beyond that
um just as a way to get this decision
more quickly
yeah sure Kevin yeah
so what you're proposing is uh
check add in the ones that have been
around for how long do you say 10 years
over the spring it seemed like 12 was a
good cut off
um
but
you know I mean I I think you can just
worked out and I think one of the
criteria listed is like near the half
marathon you know that's a very
disruptive event but it's been going on
for a long time right and I'm I'm guess
I haven't heard anyone say that we
shouldn't be you know giving them a
permit anymore so that's like one of the
easy yeses on here and so we should get
those out of the way first and then see
whether the calendar seems full or see
whether we would do better to have even
more events
I don't see any event in the blue
that first quarter that I would be
uncomfortable with
their
pretty you know they've been around
forever and
we'll just just playing Devil's Advocate
like the the concert series they're
talking about pretty High attendance and
they haven't and it's mostly actually in
the spring rather than the winter
and you know if those were the little
coincide with other High attendance
events that might not be so great so it
seems a little since you know crowding
on the calendars one of the things we're
concerned about
pre-approving an event that doesn't even
have a state so yeah it seems a little
bit strange on the other hand I do agree
that you know this kind of musical event
adds variety and otherwise would be a
good thing and and I I'm wondering are
they considering it all having like they
do for the music festival having uh
shadow
this one actually brought
Steven
um and I know that you had mentioned
putting conditions on the dates so that
you can say you can do any of these
dates but the state just being this date
and I can take it to him and say like
okay these are the rules yeah so just to
be clear on the on the um on the
concerts they're basically working with
the artists that that might happen to be
in the area so the dates could be
extremely nebulous like yeah just
depending on who's coming through and it
could be a Tuesday or Wednesday night
yeah and how far in advance would they
have the information as to when the
concert would actually be
like a couple months usually I how long
does it do I see anybody from the travel
Council on here because that's how they
work with our events that come to summer
concerts at Swanee is they work with
people that are coming through right
then we can afford it they're not going
to just come to us but they're they're
always usually happy to drop in if
they're on the road
so come I I guess I was wondering did
anybody work on that how long in advance
do they usually know that would be
August or who who organizes that
yeah
it's the travel Council
the summer free concerts
that's the city right yeah it's done in
the city all this uh the travel Council
just pays for it huh
okay never mind I I at first we paid for
it all
so
I mean to me it seems like the only ones
you wouldn't want it to overlap with is
the half marathon right or anything
that's going to impact the river skinny
Tire does not go out well they actually
use the Loop Road they do one day on the
loop road
I mean they do go early I remember but
do they do it don't they do it uh do
they do a clockwise then and they hit
their River Road first
I honestly don't remember to me that's
the smart way to do it I I did that one
year and they did it counterclockwise
but then I think that was an anomaly but
I can't recall but they do you're right
they do do it early so it seems like the
only one would be the half marathon and
now you wouldn't want anything
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so we're talking about the Constitution
the concerts yeah so actually I mean it
occurs to me those are mainly in the
next quarter so maybe we should just
lump them with the next quarter yeah
sure
considering some of the events in this
quarter I think it is worth pointing out
like candyland's half marathon and
anything yeah but I think it might be an
additional dates in the next quarter
that yeah maybe they should
so make that like a condition yeah I
don't like a blackout date kind of a
thing I don't know if we'd have to
prevent it during the half marathon
actually because they they're not the
events aren't going to uh coincide with
each other they're going to be a total
different times and it might be a lovely
thing for people who are visiting the
town to buy a ticket and go to a concert
but I thought one of our concerns was
not to have a lot of High attendance
events landing on the same weekend that
seems like one of our main jobs
yeah I know 750 is a high number and
half marathon is an even higher numbers
so although I wouldn't I would expect
there'd be a lot of crossover I would
just add the numbers up and call it yeah
and I I think 750 is very very aspirated
right I would be very interested to see
what actually happened you know the the
half marathon used to be a lottery that
was cool it's closed off the 5 000 yeah
that that event's gone way down so the
reality is like
I guess all of it's you know less than
it used to be yeah it used to be captive
yeah I remember it comes right by my
house at the end it was yeah absolutely
huge
foreign
but I think the shadow question is a
great question because that impact is
way smaller on the road if there's still
shuttles well also do you know what time
they're planning on staging the concerts
like whether if it's a weekend with you
in the afternoon which might coincide
with some of the runners or what was it
more like in the evening usually in the
evening
around seven or so when they normally do
them maybe a little bit earlier
and like Rachel was saying with the
conditions for days
I haven't worked at the logistics and
the site plan but I don't see why you
couldn't do a condition of
I think that is great it looks like 6
p.m or 7 P.M has been what they've been
doing this summer
also if 750 is purely aspirational
perhaps we just have a condition that we
cap it at 400 or something more
reasonable
sex yeah that would be easily managed
often do you get 750 at your event I
mean we got at most 500. do you really
yeah I look like was almost 500. yeah
so like with shuttles I mean it's
actually pretty minimal in fact
there and they decide to have a couple
of drinks yeah yeah
and
the Shadows seem to work pretty well for
the music festival it seems like they're
pretty full I've used I've gone on them
sometimes and other times we've decided
we wanted to go out to
you know Fisher Towers and hang out for
a minute after the concert so well that
seems like a really great way to
minimize the impact on the locals living out
and also good for the environment
Al condition and then would the
condition be a certain percentage of the
attendees have to take a shuttle no
just just that they offered shuttles
yeah it's hard to enforce yeah
um well Kevin had previously
I said we should probably talk about
this in the next thing okay
um
so so look at looking this
a little bit closer I guess we there are
also two running events that are wanting
to do the same exactly the same date
yeah the Moab rocks is a mountain biking
and then
say yeah okay where does the ultra stage
the behind the Rocks Ultra in San Juan
County I was to the stage back where the
old you know 24-hour race course was
back they've probably only used five
miles of Trail they barely come into the
county and it's only one of their
distance race the long distance one does
most of them stay in Tampa and remind me
of the Moab rocks what uh areas that
uses they use Klondike gloves they do
magic and whole enchiladas do they just
do LPS down or UPS yeah they have to go
up they start a town and they go all the
way up to the top of LPS they come back
from town they write my example so those
two events are pretty they're they're
great they're very separate yeah they're
all North
but
I don't know I feel pretty good about
the events in the early part of the year
that's generally not like the most crazy
packed time of town where we're getting
a lot of like sound noise complaints so
and it looks like every single one of
these events except for the uh run the
Rocks is a more of a less a Legacy Event
right
which ones yeah they all have long as
his one well the music ones are yeah
there's two new events
so do we do we need yet another
early in the year running events
inspired
Ernie packed with those
yes it is that's kind of the preseason
weekend
yeah I mean I think if there's nothing
else competing
what are ideas every every so ultimately
every single weekend has a large event
I think that
a large event
in a large event that is athletic
you know and most of these aren't
motorized
fills or motel rooms with people that
aren't going to be
running loud machines
yeah yeah
okay well I I could feel comfortable
with going through that book but with
the understanding that as we you know
refine our criteria for events you know
just because an event has been run one
to five years in the past doesn't mean
that there's prison you know we might
later decide that hey you know we need
more music events and fewer running
events and something
I think as long as we're willing to
not tell people that once once they get
approved they're they're in you know
they continue to improve unless they
really mess up badly yeah
all right so are we basically uh
checking off events one through eight on
our sheet then
uh Jeep safaris now I think we're gonna
adjust that for the next
with the music event uh I guess it's
still unresolved whether there would be
blackout dates to avoid conflicts right
so we can look at that in the next
quarter and see what events it might
conflict with I guess
and one thing I would
remind everybody I'm sure it wouldn't
maybe it wouldn't be often but
especially the first go through of this
it is possible along with the conditions
that you have a condition that instead
of the special event advisory committee
doing the final approval that the
complete applications come back to all
of you to approve or deny so if there's
ones
um that there are questions around I
don't know that it would
cause any damage to say you guys want
final approval versus the committee
something to think about
yeah and looking at the redness events
this year I mean one was the same day as
the Street Fest and one is the same day
as one of the days of the Folk Fest and
so we already kind of have some examples
of course whether those were conflict
with the city you're saying Josie or
whether it's you know just too many
things happening at once my I mean my
hunch for these is that that hasn't
really been the case but just here
are we all right yeah
so should we move on to the second
quarter
so second quarter I'm going to start
with this list
night which is just sorry in on the
agenda summary which is number 10 Jeep
Safari I am I already went through this
a little bit but I'll revisit it um
dates are March 31st through April 9th
I'm 750 total daily attendance motorized
have been on trails and with an expo at
osta and BLM permit allows up to 50
vehicles per Trail they do stay below
their threshold with 25 to 40 vehicles
per Trail depending on what trail it is
um we have 58 years of History a good
standing and if
that's what I have for them
I can tell you more
um my questions revolve sort of around
these sub events and how they interact with that yeah
and touch on those
um as a group
okay separately do you want me to go
over to this now no I'll just wait with
that I guess yeah I was really
interested in the separate events too
should we look at the events
separate is it is it truly separate or
should we look at it like not really
kind of sort of the way the intent to
apply is I'm in the requirements they
are separate because they have srps
um but it's not additional people at the
event it's still the same number of
people they're just doing something
separate on their own SRP so and it's
they're private they're all private
right what's SRP
a special Recreation permit issued by
the special Recreation permit issued by
the BLM okay so it's because they have
different permits yeah so when you're
looking at these numbers here these
numbers are tucked into the 750 of the
Jeeps
so they're not additional they're still
the 750.
and if they're not new this is something
that's been going on for the same amount
of time period they're just being
brought to light now because of the
changes for sure but presumably they're
not not all of them have been going on
for 58 years but but you're saying oh
things are things very similar to this
typically every year have been going on
with the Jeep support
what are they
um it depends on which one so I could
touch on a couple of them real quick so
like number nine which is the FCA that's
GMC Chevrolet Jeep what they do is they
take some of their vendors and customers
out like let's just call them Elites
they go out on trail runs they get demos
maybe they get to do a sponsor Trail
things along those lines all the groups
are small I think the biggest one as far
as attendance is at a hundred but they
usually range between 30 to 40 people
that they pick
so is it like a lottery
not really like a lottery
so like these these proofs like um superwinch they come in with like two
to three semis with staff and they have
some of them have 20 to 30 staff that
come in for the vendor show so they'll
take it they say it's like Wednesday
because they'll pick a trail and they
take their whole staff out and they go
out on a trail ride oh okay
and that's just one example another
maybe maybe they have new lockers that
they're gonna demo or new tires or
um something along those lines but
they'll take their a group of customers
out or their employees or their sponsors
not on a trail
so I'm comfortable lumping those all
together with the Jeep Safari to me it
just seems like a part of a normal Jeep
Safari account yeah that answered my
question pretty well too I I tend to
agree with
I mean do any of those events stand out
from that and
they're all kind of the same
I would say they're all the same they're
all businesses all doing the same thing
there's not
anything that would
not be business related
but for the special events back end does
it make sense for them to file separate
applications not that we would need to
approve them but just like for life
for insurance purposes because I know
the Red Rock four-wheelers they're not
going to be under the Red Rock
four-wheelers Insurance they're going to
be under their own business
Insurance when it's also adding kind of
Trail time to the county in general if
they each have their own trail rides
also going on I think it's helpful
information to kind of understand the
cumulative impact yeah and they follow
the Jeep safaris uh Roots their course
mapped they they have a pretty
organized trail map and they follow that
so they know what trails are available
at Walmart
uh-huh all right just to weigh in on
that guys I think it's really important
to permit these separately the applicant
is different the trail rides are
different these are commercial uses
um BLM does Define commercial use as
compensation exchanged including in a
workplace environment so an employee
gets a trail ride as a benefit that's
compensation paid
um
the BLM is permitting these separately
so I do think in terms of our saturation
analysis and all that
um you know we should be thinking of
them as part of Jeep Safari but also
different so
and you can also talk to you but these
types of
um separate but related events are
becoming more popular so I do expect
that we're going to see a lot more of
this associated with our bigger
motorized events
like an event within an event kind of
yeah
I don't think that there's like no extra
impact because there are maybe some of
the same participants because like I
said it's Jeep Safari is a certain
number of Trail
breads that are permitted
but then this is on top of that and so
that's more
vehicles in the desert and trails that
are conflicting with other users at the
same time
I'm not sure how to like pick them apart
or if I'm prepared to do that right now
but I just think it's something like
yeah we should evaluate these separately
and
yeah there is an extra impact because
there are more events
and I think as far as evaluating them
separately just as far as insurance and
liability purposes but as far as
an actual event it's still the same
event so you could kind of look at it
both ways but they definitely I think
need to be applied separately for the
same reasons Christina just said but as
far as looking at them it's still the
same event it's not like you're gonna
see anything different
happening you're not going to see a
different type of party happening over
here during Tuesday
that's not anything I think anybody
would notice
could I'm just putting this out there
could it be processed in a way where
they do have to provide all those things
they have to get approval but the main
event sponsor also has to sign off on
something saying yes we've we confirmed
these are part of our events
participate that we don't take on legal
responsibility taxes any of that for
them but we are also recognizing that
they are a component of our environment
yeah because I think also easy to do for
the purposes of like continued
evaluation and actually sort of grading
events after they happen I mean it would
be good to
have Jeep Safari kind of own these sub
events as far as reflecting on their
overall application just to kind of make
sure everybody's
holding to a similar standard
so what that looks like
um having them proceed with the permit
and having that
go through approval or denial but also
coming up with some kind of condition
for the Jeep Safari event
um to say to sign off or to provide
something or would well they're they're
different legal entities so I think you
know a Jeep Safari organization is going
to be reluctant to sign on to something
with too much red tape I do think it's
important that jeep Safari is confirming
for us that these are their vendors and
these are events that um you know their
participants are including in but I
think they can do that by email and they
can just object if anything isn't
associated with cheap Safari in an
informal way without building a lot of
red tape around it
just like validating like if I was to
send an email saying these five
companies are applying for
um
applications saying that they are coming
for the Easter Jeep Safari can you
please validate
yeah and likewise could we also have
those say five
sub-event companies signs saying we are
while we don't you know we aren't under
Easter Jeep Safari we are a piece of
that so that if they come in and they
end up doing something completely
different
but it could be for a review of what you
said you were part of this we would have
uh potentially evaluated it a little
differently because you would have been
completely separate
well if we're permitting them I don't
think we need I mean we can evaluate
that we that can be part of our post
event evaluation period right I mean I
would assume the narrative that they're
submitting is going to tie them to Jeep
Safari we're going to go through the
permit process with them and then if
there's
um you know some violation there of any
sort we would deal with it in our
hopefully much more expanded post-event
evaluation process
what do you think Mallory does that do
you have concerns that aren't being
addressed by that no I just am probably
overthinking it and I'm wondering if in
the application we could just build in
an easy question on both ends of do you
have any do you anticipate any sub event
companies being tied to this it doesn't
you know commit them to anything it's
just that heads up
um validation and likewise other people
the question could be or are you
like a sub event to a larger one if so
what about
just for capturing that information is
in a post-evaluation it might be hard if
we don't know officially that yes these
were tied together under this event
am I overthinking that
we haven't really gotten to see how the
narratives are going to work I guess and
so it's possible that the narratives
would capture it it's possible that they
won't
but I got I got I love extra questions
so I got no problem asking questions in
an application
ask um you know in the application for
the event narrative end of a side note
of
you know these are all of the things you
should include yeah and failure to do so
could
result in denial
I think people would want to it's just
making sure it's clear this is where you
provide that information
I don't I don't think it's going to be
that big of a deal just having
the Red Rock four-wheelers validating
these vendors I could tell you right now
like all of these vendors are at the
vendor show
I think I know they are
and maybe the conversation where I'm
coming from is just looking at it as not
specific
from any other event yeah
didn't we in general if we've got an
event that has these kind of sub events
we just it's up to the main event
applicant to say hey when you approve us
we will hope you'll also improve and
they list all the sub events and other
and if they don't do that then we just
treat them as separate events we might
approve someone not others because we
weren't informed that they were all
related you know it seems like that's a
general policy that too all
too often that the event holder would
know if there's a sub of it happening
yeah it's almost like an endorsement but if they don't know or if they don't
care I mean maybe somebody doesn't like
these you know
you break events that attached like
lampreys
um
so
but but I just I mean what I was
assuming initially is that you know
these were sort of considered an
integral part of the Jeep Safari it
would be kind of awkward if we approved
the chief Safari but not some of these
sub events and so I was inclined to
do it all as a package but but if
instead it's true that the SE if I would
just assumed that they you know these
things not be there the tape don't think
it adds anything to an event then they I
think we should treat them as separate
events
um
so this brings up um
a perfect example with
Bob
is
over their time period and
they may be in the situation where they
could possibly be having some events but
this be something that you would want to
know in the intent to apply or could it
happen in the application process
all right
I just have a question so I'm
so the Jeep Safari is is the perimeter
person that permits
and
so part of the permit is this is listed
these are listed on the permit that
these other the wheels Wheel Pros the
aeb those are all listed in the event or
the application senders correct yeah so
I'm
I thought not just to BLM but to us as
well the
my impression is know that the reason
that they're separate on our list is
because they're separate so far as the
BLM is concerned each of them has their
own independent as a special Recreation
permit yeah but uh are are they under
Safari as a vendor but not as a event
organizer okay so they're they're under
Jeep Safari for their vendoring part but
separate from their vendoring part
they're taking their okay I got it now
so in the intent to apply and to
workflow it will have something do you
have any vendors and if it's yes then it
will go to okay what are those vendors
you know you might not have all of the
details in terms of their tax ID numbers
yada yada so we could just say do you
have any vendors if things like
or even do you have any vendors or sub
events like click yes then it's just
saying okay which ones yeah
it kind of captures that without tying
anybody to anything it's just another
you know area we could capture that
information so we know if they're tied
together yeah and I I think that it's
good information to have and sure we
should help get on the application but I
also think that given that they're just
they're in town they're vendors they're
trying to then
use their position and their influence
or whatever to make their own events we
should definitely evaluate them as their
own effects do we have pretty um like
explicit
uh confirmation that their rides are
sort of more friends and family kind of
rides rather than
English about they say
um what they're doing that it's a
it's for their Quan says creation and
customer tours one says I'm just for
employees
um secret traveler they say employees so
they listed out what they're doing
yeah because I mean I think it's worth
extra scrutiny here especially because
this is a very large motorized event but
something that came up in the last
special events meeting was kind of uh an
analogous situation with something like
outer bike where there might be
um like trail rides with employees of a
specific vendor and you know whether we
treat that the same way is that the same
thing you know what's our
kind of broader philosophy here
well I think Sarah you said evaluate and
that made me think of I've got a huge
part of this the post about evaluation
so yeah if we have this way to evaluate
from our referral agencies you know
various people involved that's important
but if we knew that there were some
events we could have the main event
you know have some questions in theirs
about if they have any negative issues
with any of their some events so given
that we have limited time I'm just
wondering if we should move on from this
topic yeah
in these sub events
this isn't even all of them
like all of the vendors like we don't
know what all the other vendors are
doing so these are only the ones with
srps and so our vendors two weeks since
I sent out the email to 500 people these
are the ones that are
reciprocating and applying
and so Jeep Safari has kind of a limited
number of trail rides that they are
allowed like a kind of quota and then
these are an addition
to that or these will be the same Trails
right but additional uh reps on those
yeah so like say
let's just use fins and things as an
example so suspense and thinks the trial
leaves at eight o'clock in the morning
they they leave then maybe super winch
wants to start it and run it at 1
o'clock
so they'll run it up one right so I I do
agree with Kevin that we should probably
move on to get to the rest of the list
but I do think this is we have to kind
of put a pin in this because it is
this kind of added impact to that if we
just kind of go oh it's just part of
this then we're not really cataloging
that property and this could come back
to like a condition to something that
you see again so this was just an intent
to apply that we're being I'm presented
with right now but when it comes to the
application process then we would get
into okay what's your course map what
are you doing what day what are you
doing on what types right and that's
what we would get more of those detailed
information and maybe it also sounds
like the kind of thing that the BLM
presumably is thinking about so I don't
know that it makes sense for us to
think about who's scheduled and which
drills when
right independently of what the vln is
doing so would we want to but we
condition a cap that's part of the
application process
as far as what courses they're on not what types right
yeah and especially knowing that we
don't have the full list of vendors
doing these activities I mean it would
be good to have kind of a cap or a
general sense of
limitation
yeah I guess like looking at big picture
and like okay if Jeep Safari we Clump in
all of these events and sub-events
that's better than spreading out
motorized events on every single weekend
on all of those trails
so I don't know
I mean I
need to move on yeah
keep going yeah let's get uh what's the
next one was number 15.
it's not on the agenda oh because it was
considered a low impact event
okay so that one needs to be crossed off
so we don't we're not worried about
number 15. on this list you'll be
jumping to number 16. looks pretty
interesting yeah yeah so
um
Green River dirt bike rally it's a
motorized and Expo event the dates are
April 13th through 15th the total daily
attendance is
430. I'm this event is primarily
centralized in Green River the reason
why they're applying for a Grand County
permit is because
15 people so 15 motorcycles and we'll be
doing a trail in Grand County in the
whitewash
um sand dunes area this this that trail
is more of what you would consider like
expert level it's a harder course so
that's why only 15 of those motorcycles
will be going onto that trail minimal
attendance I'm Motors Motors will be
trailered and I'm tracked to the
trailhead and as far as history there's
been no SAR extractions or anything
um that promotes concern history wise as
far as this so that attendance number
that doesn't reflect the number of
people in Grand County because it's it's
well yeah it's centralized a Green River
that Excel all of that will be happening
in Green River the only thing that's
entering Grand county is the one-day
trail that will be happening with the
15th right and did I see that the
promoter was actually the city of Green
River yeah
and I feel like it's not our place our
place to deny their regular event for 50
for physicals
so not Five Guys with those 15 people so
each guide has three people
what was the name
uh it's the way at the white Washington
open OHV area right
yeah
okay yeah and did
um did Green County search and rescues
sign off on this or they just gave
details from past events Aaron and he
sent me a heat map and I asked them I
said are there any specific events that
you're concerned about and the only one
he mentioned was the base jumping event
that happened okay
um but he told me that the answer to
that question was super complicated but
I just looked at the mat this morning
and most of the stuff that happens
involved Chiefs and ATVs honestly gosh
right but very specific yeah
when I think that uh yeah that follow-up
again like continuing to you know if if
this event happens assessing what
happened on the um kind of safety and
um
extractions like the reason they don't
call search and rescue as much is
because they have the capacity to take
care of the situation with rise which is
probably true of this event again all of
the guides are not wolf or certified but
they all have CPR first aid life support
and that's something
going through the process if the intent
to apply is approved
it would then be approved by the final
application would be approved by this
special event advisory committee who
would need
search and rescue to sign off and
provide any conditions
any other questions on the dirt bike
rally
no
okay so number 16 which is 17 so now
we're our number they're getting we're
one off on this sheet I'm 16 on the
agenda is amnesty Trail raise athletic
competitions April 15 total daily
attendance is 310. it's a running event
using amnesty back area 13 years of
History good standing and the ITA was
approved by uh
is that a local uh promoter
it is okay
I'm assuming the staging happens out
there
I mean what I've heard from like
different members of the community
especially about that specific spot
like a mossback parking lot it's just
that it's
madness out there especially on these
big weekends in April when also there's
a ton of tourists and
so I don't know if there's a different
place where they could stage
something like that
um
yeah okay yeah
right but now so you'd run up to the
lower Trail along the creek now
okay so this is perhaps the different
race I was hearing about
I've also participated in this one but a
few it's been a few years but I I mean I
share your concern about
you know this kind of craziness and I do
think we already have lots of running
events and I think we should be a little
more selective or just think about
posting conditions I don't know if this
is the one that's I I yeah I would say I
mean it's it's on April 15th which is a
Saturday and it's literally about the
busiest time of the year for for bike
rentals and such I'm also backs one of
the very busiest trailheads in the areas
that that is going to be a bit of a
cluster
and be out of there right yes
but
that that place is just Madness all the
time yeah
other than like January yeah but also
offer the suggestion of using the
shuttle yeah that's what I was thinking
this is the stage at the middle school
or the elementary school or something
yeah it is yeah
foreign
packet pickup was actually out of the
trailhead last fall and so there was it
was literally like two days of just
massive interference instead of just one
so if a pack of pickup could be a town
that would make a huge difference too
and last year did they say it was
because of covet and they had to do I
remember but that was uh that was uh so
the 15th was a is a Wednesday
it's a Saturday yeah
I'm looking at April am I on the wrong
month so oh maybe you know I'm on the
wrong mode so that's the other 15 . yes
Saturday I'm sorry yeah
and that's that's the weekend traffic
gets
blows up yeah it's really big
but anyway yeah I like suggesting that
the shuttle and at least making sure
that
pickup and staging is
um yeah I mean yeah when you look back
at this race I can't remember how it's
been around for a long time and yeah it
was back in the day when there weren't
many people out there
so
yeah I think to make sure those are yeah
those are good good questions for this
one I think
everyone okay number 17 on the agenda is
Cruz Moab Rising Sun it's a motorized
um expo at osta with campy the dates are
April 17th through the 22nd total daily
attendance is 555. they have 25 years of
history and good standing
um
they limit their registration to 250
vehicles that also includes their
vendors they require their vendors to
register and then they only allow 20
rigs per trials
and that's a date
so it's off-road vehicles I I honestly
can't recall Cruz Moab it's Toyota oh
it's Toyota okay interesting gotcha
so it's similar to it's like a mini Jeep
Safari but using Toyotas instead of
jeepers okay gotcha and they uh limit
the number of people on the trail yeah
and the number of vehicles
yeah they're at their Max of what they
want to be and I just spoke to him this
morning he's
they're as big as they want to get
okay so moving on number 18 is Grand
Circle Trail Fizz Fest this is a new
event
um it's an athletic running event with
Expos at OSA and camping the dates will
be April 26th through the 30th total
daily attendance will be 700. I'm
running an event using Pritchett at
Hunter Canyon King Springs
um BS Boy Scouts base camp Gemini
Bridges and porcupine Ram trails
so this is kind of like Jeep Safari for
runners right right they've been really
excited about this event they tried
doing it over the past couple years but
with coven it kept pushing things out
um so but it's like all-inclusive they
kind of the campus yeah they do like
food trucks or something out there yep
food camping the Excel will be there
they'll be leaving from do they have
shuttles themselves to the trailheads
too so that you can park and leave your
car and then just take a shuttle to the
Run
Frozen really miserable trail run hard
ones anyway
um where are they from
I'm
uh it's throwing me up I want to say he
is out of Colorado
if I remember right right
I think they come out of Colorado
of all the running events so far this is
the one I'm like well it hasn't happened
yet and
the applications says Washington Utah
right
ah
Craig's done it was like I think when I
first met them it was right before covet
hit so it's been a couple years since
I've seen him in person we've been
trying to get this one off the ground
for a while
right it's a bit of a different Paradigm
than the other events
for better words okay we're halfway done
through our time try to get through the
list so number 19 building me on
um Festival dates are April 26th through
the 30th total daily attendance 500
private property with additional use
permit music and sustainability Festival
12 years of history with good standing
they're over near Green River yeah right
now it's like just barely on the ground
yeah
have you uh is anyone I'm sure you've
been in the first year yeah it's been a
while but I wouldn't expect that um
there would be a lot of spill over in a
Moab or is that no I think a lot of
people from Moab just go up there but I
don't think anybody I want to know
what's happening no never mind it's
actually I mean there's like a lot of
permaculture projects oh okay I mean
there is like also all night music and
things yeah it's a pretty but it's out
in the desert today it's the northeast
of Green River right I'd say it's mostly
good
now that Evans attended this event
Building Man Evans
okay so now we're going
May attempts I we have number 20 this
biker belly this is actually two events
in back to back weekends the first date
is uh May 4th through May 6 and then May
11th through the 13th total daily
attendance is 98 per weekend and this is
a gravel mountain bike event using
Kokopelli trail from Fruita to Moab
fully supported event with food staff
medical
um over 20 years of good history study
and I I there's a disclosure I've
provided shuttles to this event in the
past from from my business and uh it's
um they've been great to work with and
they're mostly in the back country they
only come into mob on the very last day
and then we actually shuttle them right
out so
anyway it says they have zero years
it's the first time they've applied for
a permit okay
and this is also an event that starts in
Colorado and then it comes into
right yeah
oh that's a long bike
um
number 21 is Bronco Safari this is a
motorized expo at osta and on the trails
dates are May 2nd through May 6th total
daily attendance is 335 people with 175
of those people being registered
vehicles
um 12 years of good standing history
this event is mostly more like
I don't want to call them antique but
um vehicles that are the Vintage Broncos
like the Vintage yeah that's right yeah
um they are becoming more popular with
the release of the new Broncos that are
joining the clubs that are clubs growing
um and they're seeing that but
um
I'm still more of a expensive
yeah right
so you said there's 335 people but how
many vehicles
and how many are do they allow on a
trail
you know I didn't get break down all
those specifics but BLM caps there's at
50. so there's there's never going to be
any more than 50 and I that's
I could confirm this and get back to you
I think that's just a cheap Safari
number I think BLM likes to keep it
closer to 35
. and this is this is just a one day
event
no she said too no it's the second
through the sixth yeah it's on our paper
it's just it's that Friday which is the
fifth that's when they'll have their
Expo they call it a show and shine at
osta I'll be at the Pavilion Pavilion so
they don't do right on Friday
I'm sorry I said that again they don't
do they Don't Ride do Trails on Fridays
or Saturday trails and then they meet at
osta for a dinner and what they call a
show and shine they just kind of show
their their cars off
a little small Expo there's a couple
vendors there not many
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um number 22 is the grand Bondo in Moab
um athletic competition May 6 total
daily attendance of 625. it's a road
bike event using the Loop Road nine
years of History good standings
number 23 is Raptors on the Rocks this
is a motorized event with an expo at
osta with light camping
um dates are May 11th through the 14th
total daily attendance is 125.
um history is usually about 40
registered trucks and they're in good
standing good history
number 24 is the Colorado to Utah
athletic competition
um gravel bike event using the cliff
area roads May 13th total daily
attendance is 560. they're going to
start in fruta and ride the Book Cliffs
and back only some of the writers are
doing that not the full 560.
so most of it's in Colorado yeah most of
us in Colorado this event does require
um Grant County Sheriff Office for
security due to the oil fields
number 25 is Jeep Jamboree it's a
motorized event dates are May 18th
through the 20th total daily attendance
is 250 and they do have additional dates
they have one other event in October
um they have 25 years of history for
their fall events and they're in good
standing history
so they only have they have this is
their first spring event this will
actually be their seconds
how many vehicles did you say
250. that's vehicles or people that's
going to be vehicles
okay so this one
most of these numbers on in the column
are people but this one's vehicles
I feel like I'm contradicting myself a
little bit with that
um
yeah because if I split this one in half
I would have to look at their October
one to give you an honest answer on that
one because I know in their October one
is bigger and that one's closer to 300
vehicles but he didn't expect his spring
one to be as big okay yeah and I think
moving forward for the ITA process we
definitely need a separate vehicle count
yeah and on his ITA for under his total
attention
um I could get that I know I could make
a quick phone call on how that wrapped
up for you before
so for all the other motorized events
we're talking people and not yes
Angie I have a question about that oil
field security which event was that who
determined
that was the Colorado to Utah
who determines oil fields needs security
no that came from
sheriffs they requested
past one
um during the SEC review
huh okay interesting I'll talk with them
about it thanks ah
so so I looked at the application on
their application dead used to say
between 200 and 225 or 50 people yeah
that was the total and I know he was
um
planning for the spring
so that's probably accurate but I can't
get that confirmed I know I could get a
hold of them
um number 26 the Willies rally it's
motorized exhibit
um May 19th the 21st total daily
attendance is a hundred and mostly
exhibits with a few short Trail runs
stage and exhibit at Red Cliffs Lodge
and these all the Vintage Willy's Jeeps
that like the World War II era Jeeps
right right yeah people are not driving
alone yeah cool
um
Don Moab is a motorized event with a
dinner um they're probably running the
Pavilion with like camping May 21st to
the 26th total daily attendance is 145
people 70 Vehicles they have 22 years of
History
is there anything that sets them apart
are they what what do they do just Trail
runs also or their Nissan oh okay gotcha
right right so it's all it's all kind of
branded and then now we are going into June
attempt to applies number 28 is the
candyland's PRCA Rodeo
the barrels for books always determined
to be a low impact of that yeah okay
that was pulled off
so number 20 on the agenda is
Canyonlands PRCA Rodeo it's at athletic
livestock competition event at osta the
dates are June 2nd through June 4th
total daily attendance is in the ten
thousand fifty plus range
um one thousand or ten one thousand
sorry
had a moment
that would be an impressive Rodeo
um there is a county resolution in place
um 73 years of History American standing
um number 29 is the Moab Music Festival
high water this is a 10-day total event
and Josie I'm hoping that you could help
with this I went back and forth on it on
how to present it I am I have on the
application June 9th through 12th which
is the four days of music but it's
actually a 10 day event
um in their 60s
the other 60s are proposed part of a
guided river trip yeah and I think
um and this might be something for the
special events coordinator and
Department in general is like how we
treat something like a river trip
because that's got its kind of own
um
you know Universe going on so I don't
know
if that's something that we need to
permit but I also should recuse myself
from this coffee station right now
because it's separate so the actual
intent is for four days but the event is
for 10 days
so four days
it's essentially two weekends
same people
uh yes 100 to 300 sorry I did not say that
so it's missing only me is it
concert goers and the musicians or is it
just for them
the numbers you mean oh the numbers are
the concert goers we don't have 300
musicians
but I also I don't think that it's
appropriate for me to like talk as a
representative of the music festival in
this context
any questions okay
um number 30 Desert Rats Kokopelli 150
it's athletic event June 19th through
the 24th total daily attendance is 60.
um running event using the Kokopelli
Trail 20 years of History this event
with the dates um and the trial they do
require a physical for registration
that is all of them
all right yeah thanks Angie
I'm
so I'll get that one answer for you
before but would you like me to present
it the same way
or
I do we need to go through
I don't think we need to go through each
we could we could in the commission when
we do the um when we actually what's the
Most accountants I'm sorry what uh Mary
was asking how we or if we didn't we
don't need to present them each
individually when the agenda item comes
up during no no I mean I think we should
figure out it figure out do most of the
heavy lifting right now and then we can
just blanket say we're going to approve
like say one through nine okay I just
want to make sure I understood that what
you guys how you guys wanted me to do
that
so now we need to get down into the
nitty-gritty of which events so um next year
these will be the blue ones just winter
ones I guess you could call it would be
presented a porter yes maybe yeah they'd
be they'd be so back for summer during
the Spring and the fall right correct
we're always there always three months
ahead yeah okay six months six months
I'm sorry six months had already
all right so someone you had an idea
about how you wanted to so again I think
it makes sense to unless you know some
of these events have been going on for a
large number of years like 10 or 12 or
more
um you know I think with those
presumptively they're okay unless
someone wants to single one out to say
we shouldn't approve it and then
conversely the the others that are brand
new or have only been going for a year
or two right you know they're I think
kind of the burden of we should look at
those closely and see is that you know
adding something that we don't already
have from the existing
events so okay do you want to go through
and and
check off a few that yeah I mean so
Easter Jeep Safari obviously has been
going on for a while yeah and I I mean
going going back to that conversation
about the sub events I mean I just think
of it as one big love but I mean I I
think you know we know what the Jeep
Safari is like we know you know it's a
well-known thing of impact so unless
they're proposing some kind of change
I would just tend to approve all of
those things together
um you know maybe next year we yeah I I
I'd agree with you on that I think
that's a good idea and then maybe do it
do a shift in how they get like if they
get approved Under the Umbrella of this
but but maybe go going forwards for next
year's Jeep so far we could get into
touch with BLM early you know ask them
you're just what's the whole landscape
of these sub events you know really yeah
Associated special Recreation permits
right and then ask them what the trend
is is this something that's getting a
lot bigger than it used to you know yeah
if we're approving the troops of art
based on impacts we remember over the
past five years is what's being proposed
for this year the same as that or is it
significantly larger because of these
sub events I think that's the question
we want to answer yeah that sounds like
a good idea
um
so the next going down the next one that
you know is a brand new event is a
screen River dirt bike rally yep but it
sounded like our consensus is almost
entirely outside of Grand County yeah it
sounds like it's outside of Grant County
it's put on by the city of Green River I
just have a small small event inside
Grant County at the far Fringe of the
county the adrenaline Seekers right it
doesn't doesn't
bring any alarm bills
um and then the next one the yamasa
trail race we discussed some potential
Traditions there right yeah I think we I
mean I figured with this Trish it was
suggested that maybe we should suggest a
condition that none of the staging
utilize shuttles that'd be great also
and also figure out what you know the
earlier the better as far as that goes
out
yeah I do remember I think I ran maybe
it was eight years ago and I I forgot to
mention set a course record for you know
someone over 40 but um
barely broken mine
it was it was a soft record I think
it was a pretty soft record
um but when I was there yeah it didn't
seem crowded I mean yes it occupied the
whole parking lot I don't remember a lot
of other uses and users going through
there it seemed like it got done
relatively early in the morning but on
the other things have changed on a mass
effect the new trails that have been
built out there have made that an
immensely popular mountain biking area
plus you even have like the base jumping
crowd out there frequently and other
hmm
okay okay so so we're just gonna just
gonna ask them so Angie asks them
well I'll pack a pickup and yeah
are you taking notes
uh Chris know what we're up to
um
right well I guess I was just doing the
ones that are relatively oh right right
unless someone has an older event that
they want to flag
um so the next newish event is um Trail
Fest Trail Fest which is like a new
running event
fairly large attendance
I don't I I'm
I feel like it hasn't happened yet and
we've been talking about how many Trail
events
we have and if we want to x a running
event this is the one I would do it's at
like peak season
it's across the whole week
it's people aren't staying in hotels
they're all camping you think
oh it's out of County facility what it's being hosted out of County facility
it is bringing money into the county in
terms of those to rent right uh Angie is
that what you're
referring to yeah I think so see I'm I'm
always
looking at uh
you know if these people are in town
they're less noisy uh recreationalists
don't have as much choice
yeah I don't know if we're going to
solve our crowding problem just by
stuffing the hotels as full as we can
skeptical of that strategy
um and I sort of agree with Sarah that
and I mean I I like running events you
know as as evidence by the past item but
you know we've got a ton of them already
most of them
um
yeah we've got a lot of them I think the
ones you know especially you know
utilizing the trails that are closest to
town which are also where people go I
want to go hiking or mountain bike
riding you know just have you know going
on a hike and that coincides on the day
where there's like uh several hundred
people doing a trail race that's not so
great I mean so I think they're
preempting a lot of people so I think
this is a new event
to doing
many of the trails seem closer to town
if I'm remembering correctly
um so I'm just not sure we need and and
I I guess just sort of a more General
comment is I think the point of this
process we know from past experience
that we have trouble saying no if we're
just presented with one event at a time
and doing it this way allows us to look
at the whole spectrum of events that
we're seeing and what I'm seeing here is
that April is really crowded and we got
lots of other running events so it's not
like having one more is going to add to
a variety
so
just just I pulled up the the trails are
gonna be on the Pritchard Arch 100
Canyon Loop Trail King Springs Road uh
the Boy Scout base camp I guess that's
out in uh it's a Bull Canyon Raider I
think Gemini road yet
um Gemini Bridges Trail and porcupine
Road
well Hunter Canyon single attractive
yeah nice enough Trail right now right
it just got blown out
I think it's worth noting it seems like
first quarter is very running heavy
second quarter is very like motorized
vehicle heavy so in general I I know the
discussion is towards more event
diversification and
um I'm not sure if the way to do that is
to like single out preemptively a single
event though I understand what's being
said but I I think my larger question is
how are we starting to
court that diversity in events or do we
want to decide as a body that we want
certain times of the year that have no
events which it seems like that again is
a larger
conversation that's not about a single
event
it's also a little bit self-regulating
winter obviously doesn't have too many
events in the middle of summer is
usually pretty pretty light also
no it's yeah I mean I wasn't meaning to
single to mount up but I guess I was
putting out the idea that if it's a new
event there's like a heavy burden of
proof on them and I think you know if
it's mostly not in Grant County we can
say yeah
some kind of a you know event Maybe
music or something that we don't have a
whole lot of but that's the reason to
say yes but if it's but I think we've
already got lots of running events we've
got lots of biking events we've got lots
of motorized events and so I don't feel
enthusiastic about adding still more of
them unless there's some good reason to
do it now Angie's offered the reason
that we'll get some fees at osta that's
um but I don't
to me I don't know that that by itself
is persuasive
do you mind if I ask Angie what kind of
uh like what are we talking about as far
as an event like this bringing in uh
financially
happening and these numbers were
12 to 17 000.
I think we need to be careful I mean
I've asked August that question he says
we have no metric by which to evaluate
the economic impact of special events
right now
I
am going off yeah right right like I
don't have everything that they're ready
figured out that hasn't been somewhere
in that range they're they're running
the full facility so it depends on how
that breaks down plus camping
configuring 700 people at 30 a night for
um for a week
it's gonna add up my inner crisp kicks
in here I have remembering that we are
like it doesn't it's a community
facility so it's not Revenue driven
right yeah it's more
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but it helps us stay out
of calculus get closer to Black
yeah I do Wonder Kevin is
if you were to talk to these organizers
and say have you considered Trails like
we think about stuff that's a little bit
farther it's hard for me to pick places
in the county now that are a little bit
out but I think about
like that you know top of the world that
area do you know what I mean stuff that would they be willing to consider
stuff a little bit farther
I mean I think there'll be a small
Improvement but I I just feel like
there's already quite a bit of
commercialization of yeah non-motorized
Trails but these foot races and I I love
foot races you know I like to do it but
I don't like them
you know over 15 times a year that just
seems like too much to me and so I think
you know if we're gonna ever I mean
you know we could just say yes to every
event which would seem kind of silly
after all the work we've gone through to
spray this process but if this this
seems like a candidate for a no to me
I I think if any running event would be
a candidate for that it would be this I
will say as a as a business person I
love the running events even though I
ran a bike shop because there's this
spill over to different things that so
many times people would stick around and
they they'd spend a ton of money in town
renting bikes going on tours just eating
out and stuff like that so it's it's
pretty pretty nice for the business
community
and they're low they are low impact
they're generally very pleasant blue
yeah I think low impact more kind of
what you're looking for
uh visitors what should we move on
through the list and sure come back to
it yeah
uh Trail Fest uh building man that's
more of a Legacy Event I guess or yeah I
was okay it's also far from moabs
it's helping out Grant yeah uh
where's uh I would say biker pulley is
also a Legacy Event it just hadn't
applied for a permit here right I know
he's been doing that for for at least 20
years yeah 12 years I was gonna say okay
and it's for the most part it takes
place it's mostly out in the yeah out
speaking out like West Water Area and
down through uh yeah
do we
adapters on the Rocks is that that's so
that's a relatively new event
here third year okay and this is this is
Ford Raptors it's like it's a so it's
again it's like a yes
I also don't want to rule out talking
about
um the Bronco Club
okay as it is
in a long lineup of motorized events
every other weekend and it's huge
and it's the youngest one of those
motorized events yeah
like it follows Jeep Safari and cruise
Moab
right and Raptors and then Jamboree but
I let's go through the other newer
events motorized events in May and
maybe look at that I just don't want to
rule out yeah
so where were we on rabbits on the Rocks
right yeah yeah I mean I do I think
we've we've got
all the running events we need already I
think that's also true for motorized
events but I will say that um you know it's a lot
quieter than like you know these
full-sized Vehicles yeah not usually
what people are complaining about that's
worth keeping in mind the Raptors are
all relatively new I think right so they
have ostensibly I think they're have
better sound suppression systems Etc so
that maybe that leads me
it's a Ford Raptor it's a it's a
50 yeah it's not
a dinosaur
burn status
um
but yeah it is only its third year and
yeah I think also I mean just looking at
the calendar I think it's helpful kind
of noticing which events are like a
single day like a running event that's a
single day versus uh like a week-long
motorized right because those feel like
very different impacts yeah I agree yeah
is so it was Raptors uh one also it's
rappers or what are they yes they are
okay
this is just a thought you know we're
saying that there's too many many
motorized uh events in this time period
I mean uh is it a possibility to uh some
of these events to
produce you know do their event more in
our slower season even though it's hot
they're inside uh air-conditioned
vehicles
I mean say you know this
anyway as a path forward if they didn't
if they wanted to move forward during
the slow time of year might be off you
know a possibility of asking them to do
I I also wonder moving forward about the
idea of
creating like a maximum amount of event
days per a single kind of type of event
which would be a much more like sort of
judicious non-specific way to sort of
equalize some of these
I don't know what the process looks like
but I'm sorry could you say that again
so like for instance running versus
motorized versus I mean those seem to be
the dominant ones so it's silly to limit
other things yet because we just aren't
flooded with them but to have you know a
maximum per year per calendar year
number of event days like you know that
we are willing to approve as a body or
for a particular event type yeah
there's any consensus on Rapture on the
rocks
I think that's one I think we should
look at this clump of motorized events
and whole in May so that's one that
could be cut you're talking Bronco Club
wrapped around the Rocks Jeep Jamboree
more or less rally gone Moab oh right
yeah
I mean there's a time you know five
all lined up for me so I feel like we
need to at least you know say I don't
know about it with you
um but as far as they go Raptors on the
Rock it's only 40 Vehicles compared to
some of the other bigger ones like
Jamboree
um he just texted me it's only they
limit it at a hundred registered
vehicles with 25 additional Vehicles
being guided so it's 125 units we're
talking big Jeep championships oh sorry
I gave that so Japan
the 250 was accurate yeah sorry people
and then 250 people
40. yeah and uh 120
five big difference
yeah
and then gone my opinion Vehicles were
talking with that one
but that one's been going on 22 years
so it's harder for me because I know too
I guess
okay so maybe just skip skipping ahead
and put postponing discussion on the
clump of motorized events there's the
right so there are a relatively new
event there's a MOAB musical festival
high water
um
I mean I think that is that is adding
diversity I love those Music Festival
events
so there's the concerts in town or close
to town
um it's
again it's okay
oh is the concert the concert's not in
the backcountry or is that or is it
there are music box there are two I
think that are happening in like city
park or something like that and there's
private property one in Old City Park
one on private property I think they're
trying to do it like a float trip with
Canyonlands by night and then two music
hikes yeah
um and and I misspoke before it's not
two weekends it's a long weekend long
weekend okay and it's also it's also
past our Prime season it's getting into
the summer seasons when things slow down
considerably until yeah this one is is
later than last yeah and this year the
sixth to the ninth yeah usually we'll
get some carrier over the first week of
June and then and then it drops off
precipitously as far as visitation
sounds great
yeah so we're okay with that which is
that what we decided I think so yeah
unless you're not married well I I like
the modern music festival it's been
around yeah maybe this event hasn't been
around but a lot of the music festival
has been around a long time and maybe
I'm I think they've run a real tight
ship my life but I yeah and then we
didn't we didn't talk the the Colorado
to Utah gravel event that's kind of out
north in the Book Cliffs area any
opposition to that one
and then similarly the last one is just
Desert Rats races looks great
that's very fairly new but it's probably
a few participants on the Coca-Cola
trails and for the most part not close
to us yeah I was just going by the number in
the table it seems like a horrible time
of year to run the kokopilly trail no
God wasn't scratched
real early
um so so what's so the unresolved thing
so there's the uh betrayal Fest
real fast and Jeep Jamboree seemed like
two
yeah
so the Jeep Jamboree has been going on
in the fall for a long time and now they
want to expand to the spring as well is
that that's what we're looking at one in
the spring before
would like to do it again this is the
williest rally in any way associated
with the Jeep chamber yeah yeah okay
totally separate yeah
um I think we say no to the Jeep
Jamboree they already have a entire week
in the fall that they've been doing it
for a long time
it's a relatively large event 125
vehicles
I think
organized but it's ordered by organized
by Jeep oh it's not it's cheap it's not
a little bit
and like you said they still so this
year they'll be applying for a fall time
slot also yes not cover okay I'm also I
mean Willie's rallies about the new
event
it's been happening for a while and
Willie's is very seriously doubt there's
more than 20 of the vehicles actually
leaving the property because these
things are old
they're definitely vintage and they're not going to be vehicles that
have any type of speed any type of it's more like a car show car show yeah that's right and when they're they
do have motorized Trails but their
trails are going to be
yeah they're not
and it's going to be 70 year old
Vehicles out there kind of puttering
around right
they're probably going to be trailered
yeah yeah you'd assume
um
I mean does anyone feel strongly that
Jeep Jamboree should not
be asked
what I mean I tend to I just think we've
got limited capacity and we've we've got
a lot of motorized events in this time
period that that are already established
that's three weeks in a row of motorized
events it's not not a local promoter
other than you know and they would still
have the other week they'd have the
weekend maybe if we if we will yeah
maybe
so so far we've been saying yes to all a
step you know long-established events
yeah
because people really do start to plan
their vacations
absolutely
I think a fall in the spring
is nice I don't know if we need to
double down on deep events in the spring
yeah
I mean that still leaves even if we if
we delete Willy's rally you know it's so
leaves Utah Bronco Club Raptors on the
Rock Jeep Jamboree and gone Moab
all in May is that is that one every
weekend basically
yeah
every single weekend in May yeah
those I mean some of these are are not
huge
right away yeah especially Raptors on
the Rocks it's pretty pretty small so I
think that it's worth keeping that in
mind
but I'm yeah I mean I support the I you
know I think whenever we already have a
lot of events at the same time at the
same time of year
when someone has to make a really strong
case do we need to add yet another event
like that and yeah I don't see what that
is in this case
and I I think for roughly similar events
I'm not sure we need you know yet
another Trail race we've got Bunches of
them
um
so
yeah it seems to me as far as like
timing and how the how the spring is
divvied up it would make the most sense
to take the Utah Bronco Club out of
there but they've been
engaged in the county for a long time
how long
the Bronco Club oh that's the 12-year
Mark can I just throw into consideration
this is really going to open up the
calendar a lot I mean this is a county
entity that we're talking about so it's
Revenue coming in
to the county
yeah for me it's important to fight for
that yeah I mean I think it's important to fund Austin to
also get Revenue as a county but I think
it's important for us to
listen to the biggest issue that people
have talked to us about all the time
which is the impact the noise impact and
the kind of like busy growth of Moab and
this is where we have a chance to try to decide the direction that we
want to go
I'm I'm uh
sensitive to Angie's concerns as well uh
not that I think that it should be a
revenue generator that we can get every
dollar
that that shouldn't be our mandate is to
make a bunch of money through osta but
um I I like this process and I kind of
think that
uh getting something in place this year
and then kind of dealing you know
I'm kind of more in limiting the growth
than trying to rewind and I know that
that's not the same as where everyone
else is but uh
for what it's worth I'm sensitive to to
wiping the post to calendar clean and
I'm a little more
comfortable with some of these
long-standing ones continuing to operate and then just having us a
place that's new applications
just three years for sure but but that
is more or less what we're doing I mean
I I think the
proposal on the table is all the events
that have been operating in the past are
getting approved and then there's two
new applications that you know that
we're some people have advocated for
saying no to one was
um
Trail Festival yeah there's one running event in one Jeep event
um so that sounds consistent with what
you were well it sounded like we were
starting to get into Broncos and Raptors
oh yeah no I don't think anyone's I
think they were just that was the
context
uh so so we're looking at probably
eliminating one of the four kind of
branded motorized events yeah the Jeep
Jamboree and but it's not eliminating
because it's a brand new application
yeah right sort of sort of freezing sure
that exists absolutely right both for
the running events and for promoters I
could see the Jeep Jamboree
just because
it's their second event of the year it's
their second event of the year I'm okay
with that one I was just I'm okay with
that too yeah before we started piling
yeah I'm nervous myself
they've been trying to get this event to
work since 2019. honestly I'm a bit of
an advocate for trail Fest I think yeah
it might be kind of cool the other thing
I'd point out about it is that every
other events are running a race whereas
Trail Fest is is just Trail runs and
there's actually a difference
non-competitive right yeah it's gonna be
Expo clinics
um it's a full then just like group run but 700 that's a huge number
of people just yeah I mean if this were
a hundred percent instead of 750 I might
say okay but could we ask them they're
going to be camping at OSA too although
it'll be self-contained what do you how
honestly how many people you think will
be camping like half an hour quarter of
that I think they're going for everybody
oh yeah okay so it'd be like one big so
it's more like a festival for them yeah I mean I mean I think the more I
learned about this event the less I like
it I mean this it sounds like really
large
um it's you know over multiple days
we've already got a lot of things like
this
um you know again I don't I don't think
you know it just feels like
commercializing the backcountry
um
would you be
interested in it I know and this is
tough because I I don't run anymore but
I used to be a huge Trail Runner
um if it was a different time of the
year like if it was in February and I
realized that but to me running here in
February you can run here all year long
so I don't know I'm just wondering would
be a little bit more willing if we moved
it to a different time of the year where
it if it's the community a little bit
more it benefits business is a little
bit more
does that make sense
that they would be I mean if it were the
only running event of the Year sure but
we've already got lots of others
and I think at some point we have to
start saying no I mean although you know
because you know the way crowding occurs
it's not in gigantic blocks it occurs
one little event at a time one little
increase at a time right
um and I think just the fact that was
you know maybe these are very nice
people maybe they've been trying to do
this for a while but that's to me that's
not sufficient I I think you just look
at you know we've already got all these
events that are established we're
inclined to say yes to those
given these things that are already on
the calendar do we need another event
like this
would be the answer is no
smaller attendance
on these kind of events does a promoter
need to hit obviously certain numbers to
actually make it worth their while right
yeah I have no idea do we know how to
break even do we know how big the the
runs are
it better
there's a website oh yeah like half my
half marathons right I mean like how
many people presumably everybody would
run a single course yeah so they're advertising day one is Pritchard
Arch and then seven messages
well 700 over the debt time period
700 over the time period I that's total
daily attention so it's not all the
registered writers so not everybody's
going to run every single race
they're also advertising family
activities right and stuff I kind of
like most of the courses are on two
tracks right it looks like um
porcupine which
in my mind I was wondering about user
conflict is that Saturday which day is
April 29th
yeah that's not a good idea at all
I don't know man I mean I just think
it's at some point we have to start
saying no
um I mean I don't like a good we should
turn around you know suppose we've you
know we had only the old events and we
were deciding we need to seek out some
new events because we want a few more
for various reasons is this the kind of
event we would encourage someone to
apply for I don't think so
with this process if we had something
where it was like oh we don't like the
Saturday we don't like the number of
racers would we kick that back to the
applicant and kind of say would you like
to try again and adjust X Y and Z it
would be comfortable with next year
there were less people and you didn't do
uh part what was it porcupine it's just
a Saturday porcupine room is it yeah I
mean it's just a different Trail for
Saturday
I run in Monticello well I mean
regardless of this particular one just
you know in the application process if
we find something that's a little like
well it's like approving with conditions
right yeah yeah and it can come back to
us for final approval yeah for the same
year
but it wouldn't come back to us till
near near yeah
as a final package I mean they already
have it advertised I don't want to do
that I know but what I'm saying is
um I have some mentioning specific
Trails I also think the hunter Canyon
Loop Trail is totally inappropriate for
large groups so I don't see the hunter
Canyon
it's on their their application so is
that okay but not on their website
come down right so it turns into single
attractive uh I I think that the side
without knowing the specifics of the
number of Runners it seems like an event
that size in the backcountry on single
track
is probably not what we're after in
April yeah
I think it's not like we don't have
enough special events you know we're not
it's not our job to be nice to
applicants I mean that's that's not what
we're supposed to do here yeah so this
company I mean it seems like it's the
same
it's just one of their Series yeah he
has a series right okay but this isn't a
local family no no
Saint George or Washington County yeah
okay yeah
uh
I don't
so would we mix it kind of as is and
they could take another shot or does it
say don't even I mean
because I
think I think we could say that you know
we feel like we're already on the scale
of a year we're already set with running
events if they wanted to do something up
in the book lifts or something with you
know a lot fewer people you know then
they could try applying again for next
year or something but
um
bloodshot
again I think I'd be more apt to you
know if you look at something like
February
but but then they couldn't camp out yeah
I think the applicant is probably
welcome to listen to this Workshop to
understand why we denied them and could
still apply in fall or in the future
um I I also would note that moving
forward we would be doing this process a
lot earlier for
okay
so it's so it sounds so I guess based on
the conversation so far I would propose
that we
approve all the ideas
you know for the spring with the
exception of
this um it's a trail mix trail trail
Fest that we're just talking about and
the expansion and the new spring Jeep
Jam to read which members of the press
should be clear this is not the usual
Jeep chamber weave which is in the fall
which isn't going a long time this is
a new one
so we're saying yes to almost everything
but not everything
now so
they won't have to go through this whole
process too yeah okay that's all right
now this is really that seems clean I
still have a bit of a question mark what
do we do with the two that
it's just like denied in the story or is
it a
um can we just try again for this year
or I I think we're a loss in special
events and we don't need to go out of
our way to connect with people but well
the committee issue the findings
you know thanks but no thanks because
well I mean what they could ask Angie or
Rachel you know why and you know they
can listen to the tape of what we've
been saying right now where they can ask
staff that
okay
I mean I'm kind of with Quinn I don't
want to say
you do X Y and Z we would like it not
that that's a great thing but it's kind
of like if they start with a blank slate
and just come back I mean but I I would
say I don't know if this is a sense of
the full commission but you know in
these categories of both motorized
events and running events we've already
got quite a few so I think any new
events you know there's got to be
something special about them you know
maybe they're very low impact because
they're most being run out of Green
River or Fruita or something like that
or you know there's just something kind
of unique and great about them but if
it's just yet another event in those
categories
to me that's a tough thing to approve so
that's why I like the idea of a cap on
certain kinds of events because it's a
little bit more of an objective metric
so we're just like this is our cap and I
think Kevin you've kind of mentioned
this in the past too of like if this is
our number and we've got this many
applicants to fit into that number how
do we how do we then you know Whittle it
down to our ideal number
um you know so maybe for three months
from now when we do this again we might
want to come up with some of those yeah
we still need to make a decision about
how to treat the Red Cliffs the very
unclear application for their redcliff's
concert series
come on
personally I I'm okay with uh
I'm saying yes to it if they're going to
provide a shot Shadow are you good with
that Sarah yeah I'm happy with that as
well
needed okay sorry I guess we already did
decide that music is cool I think we
thought there might be more
I got the only thing
well if it's in the evening we talked
about blackout dates right so there is
there
are roads which
letting in the attendance as far as
tickets
I think in the end the shuttle should
pretty much cover just shut up I think I
think the event should take place in the
afternoon after any of the yeah sporting
events occur or we could just this year
not not put precisions but just monitor
it to see if it is causing problems
really because they really appreciate
the free concerts that's a big deal well
and they've showcased local musicians
this year as well in addition to
Bringing people in so yeah
kind of and this will still have to go
through the special event advisory
committee so we will still have the
capacity here like you know in the room
look at those dates that might be weird
so maybe it could be approved also with
giving that committee the ability to
holistically look at the dates
um
maybe we can ask if it looks like some
of their dates are going to coincide
with busy times and you could
raise a flag and bring it back up yeah
before approving that date
for
so I think the motion is that to prove
everything on the list with two
exceptions and then there's some
conditions on the yeah that music event
and I think also back we also wanted
them to avoid over utilizing that
staging area okay so we need some kind
of like
appropriate ticket numbers like even if
that's just like a vague kind of thing
for for Red Cliffs I think monitor this
year yeah I think so too
they don't just like
they get some big headliner and they
don't have some cap you know like the
stuff show over there
we're all going
I need to observe what's going on
all right are we are we good I I feel
comfortable because we're right okay
cool I'll I'll adjourn the um special
workshop and we'll reconvene at five
minutes at four o'clock
foreign
it's somebody
Mark Markham can you hear me
yes I can
great thank you Mark
all right I will uh open this regular
meeting of the Thompson Springs special
service fire district uh October 18th
present our County Commissioner Sarah
stock Kevin Walker juicy Kovash Kevin
Clapper Patricia Dean Mary McGann and
myself Chuck cadler
um we also have clerk Gateway tech we
have commission administrator Mallory
Nassau associate administrator Quinn
Hall and we have Chief Markham on Zoom
um our first order of business is
citizens to be heard do we have any
citizens who would like to be heard on
uh issues pertaining to the Thompson
fire district
all right seeing none we'll move on uh
next up we have approval of minutes
um approval of minutes from the
September 20th meeting
did anyone care to make a motion I moved
to accept the minutes as
presented in the packet for uh the
meeting on the 20th of
I have a motion
second
all right I have a motion for approval
of minutes by commissioner mcgannon
second by commissioner Clapper any
discussion of the Thompson minutes
seeing none I'll call for a vote all
this in favor raise your hand
motion passes unanimously six to nothing
with commissioner Kovash absent
um we are on into ratification of
payment of bills
ratification of total bills in the
amount of two thousand twenty dollars
and ninety six cents total payroll the
amount of 1
646.88 total bills and payroll in the
amount of
3667.84 uh
can I get a motion
so moved
Patricia
all right motion to approve the bills by
commissioner second by commissioner Walker any discussion on
Thompson bills
saying no no call for a vote all those
in favor of the motion raise your hand
motion passes six to nothing with uh
commissioner Kovash absent
um we are moving on to our fire chiefs
report and we have Chief Markham on Zoom
uh mark
uh hello
can you hear me we can yes thank you
okay great yeah I'll start off with
recent incidents
on September 26th we had a semi-truck
and trailer
go flying off the bridge on I-78 mile
marker 205 uh that's right at the West
Cisco exit I went down about 70 feet
landed on the railroad tracks there it's
about six o'clock in the morning and uh
that was quite the rescue it took a
quite a few members of MOA Valley Fire
Department myself Grant County EMS and
the Sheriff's Office and also uhp to to
get the uh the patient extricated from
the from the truck and then back up to
the to the um to the waiting ambulance
so that took a couple hours actually to
get for that whole thing to go down
um we had three different trauma calls
in early October two in the Book Cliffs
far above Thompson but in Grand County
and then one at Crescent Junction
as far as equipment goes I'll be getting
our building backup generator serviced
it's due
um just in time for winter here so have
that ready to go to keep the heat going
in case the power goes out on Thompson
and then uh also kind of a big item is
our jaws of life which is a crucial
education tool and really needs to be
replaced it's over 20 years old and so
I'm trying to work that into the budget
they're they're not cheap but I'm I'm
trying to find the best deal and I just
really need to have that out there so
and then lastly I'll be attending the
EMS conference and training in Provo on
November 9th through 12th to help keep
up my EMS training
and that's it
okay awesome Mark can I have to ask him
a question yes please hey Mark it's
Trish
um I Heard Kurt talking about those
rescues in the Book Cliffs do you know
what area they were in and and and also
on top of that you feel like we're
getting more calls out in that country
um I know one was in Boger Canyon Okay
we both like passed the Indian
reservation and the other one was I
can't recall but it was still past there
I was actually coming back from an
airport conference when those went down
so I wasn't a part of those but uh yeah
this is hunting season big time up there
yeah the horse trailers are going
non-stop up and down so it's usually
this time we'll have at least one but
there's actually three in the book list
that day the other one was above West
water but yeah I'm definitely seeing
more traffic up there
um and it's very remote remote and it's
hard to get to and a lot of times I have
to use a helicopter to get up there so
it's it's interesting and the weather's
been good so when the weather gets bad
it's going to be even more interesting
right right okay thank you so much
you're welcome
yeah thank you Mark and thanks for your
continued uh good workout Thompson
thank you
um it looks like we don't have any newer
old business with Thompson
um so I will adjourn the um
Thompson special service
fire district meeting
and I will uh open the regular Grant
County Commission meeting October 18th
411 with all the previously named uh
Commissioners in staff present as well
as I see attorney Sloan has joined us on
Zoom
um so we will rise to the Pledge of
Allegiance
one nation
all right
um citizens to be heard uh we'll go with
any citizens in the room here who would
care to come up and uh make a statement
and if you're here to make a statement
please come up to the table
anyone like to be heard at this point
looks like not in the room is there
anybody on Zoom who would like to uh
whose decision would like to be heard
raise your hand around mute
all right just look like we have anyone
on Zoom either or send out one more call
in the room and we will have another
system to be heard at six o'clock anyone
care to come up and be heard
we will move on to Department reports
and our first report is from uh the
building department and that is Bill
Holston before bill you get started come
on
uh we just wanted to um we just want to
thank you uh very much for your untiring
work during all of our recent emergency
events
um the floods especially in the fire
before that uh you've absolutely risen
to the occasion and done a superb job
during these tough events and we very
much appreciate it and we have a
I was talking about appreciation for you
here
thank you very much
so I am Bill Holst building official
deadline administrator
um we've had a pretty busy year so far
construction and county is still going
strong
we've issued 243 permits so far this
year total revenue of 250
000 give or take
we are also finishing up the permits
that we have started in San Juan County
a few years back we had an email local
agreement started with them they've had
staffs they needed some help we stepped
in they are fully staffed now so they
will be taking that back over so they'll
take a little bit of a workload off of
us
give us a little bit more time for Club
Time stuff
um next week we're having two contractor
Community education classes for
electricians and then we're going to
have a one day 12 hour class for
plumbers in November
so these are the classes that they need
to take to renew their licenses with the state
of the state in the past we've had
to partner up with the USU Moab
because the state law changed we
couldn't provide that education anymore
but a state agency or a university could
we figured USU was probably better than
the ABC or contractors
so we went with them this year we're
going to expand a little bit we're all
offering
a class here live in Moab we're also
offering it live in Blanding and price
and then we have an online webinar
that people can do it from wherever they
are in the country
on the floodplain side
we've been a little bit busy too we've
been working with Bill Jackson on a
couple of foot pain grants
prove its own pack great we actually had
a pre-bid meeting yesterday for the nrcs
grants they're going to deal with the
five Crossings crossing the creek
so hopefully we'll be getting started on
construction around the beginning of
November and wrapping up by the end of
the year
um we proceeded our first verification
visit with the CRS which is a program in
the nfip the national flood insurance
program
we were accepted as a class eight
Community which gives our
property owners that live in a special
desert area a 10 discount on their flood
insurance
outside of it a five percent discount
Jenny and Emergency Management
but the Army Corps of Engineers silver
jackets they're putting together a flood
emergency action plan for us so we hope
to have that
hopefully wrapped up by the end of the
year
that's about it
I'm sure there's a whole bunch more but
just kind of Trends on building do you
feel like things are kind of plateauing
I mean it's far you've been around for a
while I mean it
didn't feel just in general
um you know
with covid we didn't see a Slowdown at
all
things are starting to
go down a little bit I think it's
actually spurring more construction
right we have a couple big projects
still coming in that
haven't you should get this year I hope
you get a mission by the end of the year
we try to we try to keep our our budget
um with the building departments we try
to keep our bucket so that
the services we provide to individuals
with buildings are covered by their
building permit fees
there is some extra left over but we do
a lot of Outreach programs and work for
the general public so
higher budget but we're gonna be pretty
close
so my question is similar to um Trish's
you mentioned the number of building
permits I'm assuming you have a
statistics going back a few years for
how many permits of various types it
kind of hangs around that scene
okay 250.
um again some of them are deceiving
or a motel obviously there's a whole lot
more work involved but still on the
council department I guess I'd just be
interested in um emailing with you after
the meeting just to you know get like
the spreadsheet or whatever it is
that'd be great thanks
Mary Did Jefferson yes uh where are we
on the cleanup are we completed with the
cleanup at uh pack Creek Estates they
mobilized this morning they started
cleaning up and living this cottonwood
trees
um they plan on finishing up within two
weeks
Brandon with the fire department and I
plan on going out
on the first and third
to do inspections we're going to be
looking at
homes
address
and we'll be looking at General cleanup
yards outbuildings things like that
screen on neighborhood cleanup
to clean some of that stuff up and the
owners have some pretty
Big Ideas on
wanting to keep the affordability
um
expand on it to do he may be looking for
long-term Park
a long-term kind of part I mean uh as
far as the long-term rental yeah partner
not not about four acres on the back
side that's been bacon for years they've
had overflow camping on there there's
been a bunch of issues
now with the Plenty Department working
on the new
falling overlay separate
they're they're reaching out to planning
and zoning and talking about
that
short-term rental Camp Park and it'd be
a long-term rental Camp Park
yeah so they're working with playing and
something I know that's not yeah
and the lady that owned it that came and
thanked us she lives out of town yes
she's in Connecticut her partner is here
and
I know that was really tough and thank
you for all the work you did that was a
hard one yeah
it tough going out and talking to those
people that just lost everything
there's still rules that need to be
followed when we're recovering and
putting stuff back together
and I know they haven't always we
haven't always dealt with really polite
people and it's been
you don't get paid enough for them the
building inspector so I'm quite used to
that
all right anyone else have anything for
Bill Evan yeah I I know you've been
dealing with a lot more pressing stuff
and and uh to a degree much more
important but I was just while you were
here I was curious if off the top of
your head you knew how many of the uh
approved Hotel permits that haven't
Broken Ground are still coming down the
pipe
the Country Industries and they've been
at it for a while
um I think they initially submitted in
2018 2019 uh
and have gone through a bunch of
Renditions with site plan and the
building plans have been approved since
2019.
we've actually had to build through
because we've had a code update and
three reviews
thanks
yeah
only because we had so many questions
thank you very much yeah that's why we
like it
all right next up we have another
department report Economic Development
with uh August granite and I think I saw
August on Zoom there he is
are you in arches
you know Live From The Scene doing my
job talking to visitors taking a break
from interp
erson
it's just that's just my uh back country
ski brain wishfully thinking
and and hopefully that Evan doesn't have
to you know be involved in getting me
out of there next time but
um we could talk about that another time
okay I'm gonna share my screen
can you see my screen
all right
um I tried to make this quick and I
ended up with 60 slides so you know I'm
gonna try to go as quick as I can but as
you all know there's a lot going on in
my world and I'm gonna try to touch on
as much as what we've done in the last
year or so
um and feel free to cut me off or tell
me to go faster
Etc so I'm going to jump right into it
um one thing I'm not going to touch on
in this presentation is all the special
event work that Rachel has done in our
office uh you just spent a lovely two
hours with her and Angie going diving
deep I think you all know how much work
has gone into reforming that process
um so just know that even though it's
not in this presentation uh Rachel is
doing a great job
and is an essential part of the office
um okay so what goes on in this building
that no one knows what it is except for
those who knows what it is on
first of all just a quick plug we're
doing a lot of training professional
development
um I did a management Leadership Academy
this year to try to turn myself into a
leader and manager
um all of us including myself did a
science lab science certification
training and soil Crest geology and
ecology Melissa got an MBA
um and Biga got a certified
um as a commissioner film commissioner
under the association of film
Commissioners International
um but what do we do what what goes on
in that building what goes on in my
brain uh it typically is kind of an
insane jumble of all of the above
um I'm gonna try to tease out
um a clearer narrative
um than this
so first we have some visitor economy
programs
um so that includes we're going to start
with visitor education so with the
biggest one this year was The Arches
timed entry visitor education campaign
we have a newly released biocrest video
that I'll play a little bit of
um we launched a human waste management
website in partnership with the Solid
Waste Service Special Service District
um and and uh gcat and as well as some
noise related
um educational materials
so for the timed entry campaign
um we were we ended up really being an
essential part of some collaboration
between the National Park Service the
Utah office of Tourism the Utah's public
lands policy coordinating office the
Utah tourism industry Association USU
the Chamber of Commerce and the
Canyonlands Natural History Association
all with the joint mission of
um you know how do we mitigate visitor
confusion and misperception issues
around this new change and ensure that
visitors have a seamless trip window
here and that they book trips um
regardless of the change
the information center hosted NPS
Rangers to facilitate use of rep.gov
reservations
UDOT you didn't make it on the previous
slide provided roadside variable
messaging signs and our department
distributed just under 10 000 rack cards
um and a little over 5 000 Outdoor
Adventure guides about 105 businesses to
ensure that any place that a visitor had
a question are our front desk Warriors
out there were able to provide the
relevant information
we also designed and placed ads in
traditional Media
newspapers magazines Etc we updated the
downtown locator boards to make sure
that that information was available for
those just walking down Main Street we
designed a wall-sized poster for
Canyonlands Regional Airport and
answered thousands of visitor emails and
phone calls basically we tried to do an
all-out front to make sure that any
person who'd looked up any information
or visited the town whatsoever would
know about the program
um here's just an example here's Robert
doing good things he designed this ad
ended up in one of the um uh traditional
media Outlets
and Melissa and Robert were instrumental
Distributing those
um rack cards and Outdoor Adventure
guides throughout the community they
went out several times a week and made
really good connections
um
that was a really good part of this
whole experience
so the biggest piece
um of this campaign was a 200 000
digital paid media campaign so we
targeted
um
TripAdvisor YouTube social media
um Instagram Facebook Etc and paid
search so you know Google AdWords
in order to make to Target those who are
interested in visiting Moab
um and ensure that they got the
information that they needed about timed
entry so that they didn't have the wrong
information
that campaign delivered 12 million
impressions across all platforms 200 000
page visits to discovermolab.com 150
000 unique visitors
um with an average visit time of four
minutes which is very much above
industry standard
um
on TripAdvisor those that were exposed
to the ads that we put out there about
hey there's a timed entry campaign
please go get your reservation they
checked out 30 more points of interest
in the Moab area compared to non-ad
exposed users they checked out 60 more
pages of mob information than
non-exposed users same for accommodation
attraction and restaurant Pages
um and they booked 60 more than non-add
exposed users on TripAdvisor so so my
takeaway there and this is what love
agrees with that if exposed to accurate
information visitors planned accordingly
and booked a trip to Moab despite a
potential friction point with this new
timed entry system
however if you look at the numbers and
you compare the data we have for the
time entry system from 21 to 22 I'll be
at 21 being a bit of a sugar high year
we just don't have good 2019 data for
this reference point total spend in the
Moab area was down five percent for
those that time period gas up 18 I don't
think that's a surprise to anybody
grocery spend was down 12 restaurant
span was down 16. lodging spend was down
25. we're looking forward to hearing
what The NPS has
um with their visitor direct intercept
information about quality of experience
what they're seeing now the the
pilot is over what's happening in
October they're turning people away on a
daily basis
um so those numbers from the Visa or
MasterCard
just Visa
so that represents about 60 of the
market
okay
so it's down from uh 2021 but we don't
have uh information on uh 2019 is that
what you said that's correct
we're looking for we're trying to we're
trying to work with visa to get that
data but we don't have it you just got
it we literally just got in August
like you just got the email right now
yesterday
all right well I Ben will send you an
update on these numbers at a later date
okay that thank you van I'd like to see
that
um
you know sorry we can't turn this around
in in 24 hours apologize
um let's take a look at this uh I'm
gonna see if I can share
I should be able to
share my
give me one second
I should be able to share my audio here
it might not let me
well I'll just show you a little bit of
the visual
um we worked with Mark Finley who we've
done a lot of video production work with
um who he partnered with science Moab
and other Dryland ecologists put
together on this really quite amazing
um video that highlights bio crust and
best practices and
he's got a new
um macro lens
um that gets really high quality up
close
content as you can see here
um so this is fully scientifically
accurate
um and you know it kind of the quality
to me feels like a Discovery Channel
piece
um
so
this is published this is live on our
website
um we haven't necessarily built out a
distribution strategy on this piece but
we think that this is going to be a
really important part of our
um you know visitor education campaigns
of the future we're imagining
um
a future web platform that you know we
drive our visitors to using paid media
um to kind of go through the Moab
Steward or whatever you call it
education campaign much like the
backcountry skiing Avalanche education
campaign kind of like you've got to do
this before you recreate in Moab
um and then shoot some really good
emotionally engaging content
um to get people to buy in and and see
that there is a need for an ethic when
you're visiting the area and then lower
in the funnel these kinds of detailed
videos
um we're also going to continue to work
with gcat to do
um that kind of content with our local
businesses and residents
um probably first before we go after
visitors
but please check this out when you got
some time it's it's really rad
uh okay let's pause here
another piece of visitor Education
website or where do we find
that I believe it is on the on the
Discover Moab website on the main page
there's a what's new section on the left
if you click that up there should be the
new biocrest video linked there
it's also on the Discover mob YouTube
page
um one of the things that was really
exciting this year you know there's been
a lot of talk about wag bags as the kind
of durger way to to manage human waste
in the backcountry in this area
um it was all over the paper is what
happens when that meets Municipal Waste
Disposal Systems
um and so in an effort to ensure that
safety workers are being taken care of
and we're able to protect the
backcountry as well we partnered with
the canyonland solid waste Special
Service District to put together a
handful of
um
they they put together the system I
should be totally clear about that we
just put together a page on our website
and worked with gcat to try to implement
some uh some news press releases what's
that what not but if you go to
discover.discover moab.com slash poop
you'll find this page that will link you
uh to where you can drop it off so you
can drop it off right now to Lions Park
um the wastewater treatment facility the
health department and the canland solid
waste facility
I found this useful recently because I
forgot where they were and checked it
out myself so
it worked they're still there
so how much those have been used
well I would have a sense of when I open
when I deposited one into the Health
Department's bin
uh the other day it was about half full
and that was on a Sunday
so dragging around a black bag August I
don't never mind
listen that was that was um that was a
pretty prompt
I was pretty prompt so I'll say that
um okay there's been much conversation
about updating the Billboards
um to kind of have this
uh you know please respect our
neighborhoods when you're visiting the
community your adventure starts and then
um kind of targeting uh motorized
vehicle traffic trying to get to
trailheads through neighborhoods
um we're working with an artist
um to kind of
make some modifications based off of
Maddie's sketch that we presented months
ago
um and uh once we have some kind of
sketches we'll have a meeting to get
some input on them
um one of the item agendas today is
renewing our contract not for this
billboard but the billboard south of
town
um just a heads up that we are actively
trying to update those what's on those
Billboards at the moment
any questions on visitor education
before I move to visitor services
okay I'm gonna keep rolling
so visitor Services captures a lot of
the work that we do
um to answer questions to provide
information to ensure that folks have
the best experience possible and get the
best information possible so we produce
Travel Planners we ship them all around
the world
um we make outdoor visitor guides for
um you know once you're in town it has
all of the trails that are basically not
in the national park so it's kind of a
dispersal effort as well
um and that's why we gave it out to
folks during timed entry because it had
non-park information Recreation
information we have a leads program that
distributes
that businesses can subscribe to and
basically purchase
um the the visitor information for those
who have signed up for the channel
Travel Planners and have opted in to uh
basically receiving marketing
information it's a very cost effective
way for our local businesses to take
advantage of our marketing efforts and
the leads that they produce
it's low cost it's not free and that
prevents too many like unlimited people
using it and and then ultimately
visitors getting like spammed in their
inbox
obviously discover my website we
continue to maintain and operate and
update
um and then Billboards besides those
ones in town also along the highway
um on 191 and 70. as well as answering
questions on the phone email and chat
a couple highlights
um showing off our lovely staff Robert
and Melissa
um we just updated and printed 75 000
copies of the mob outdoor adventure
Guide which will last us through next
year we distributed 12 000 Travel
Planners to Residents in all 50 U.S
states with California and Texas being
the leading requesting area as well as
Canada UK Germany France Italy Australia
Belgium Switzerland and Denmark
um the travel planner basically says
what is going on in Moab and what you
can do while you're here it's an
inspiration kind of piece
um as I mentioned before that leads
program
um is subscribed to by 20 businesses
and continues to grow answer thousands
of phone calls we answer the phone
through the mob information center
um
and as well as direct chat messages and
emails from our website
continue to work on discovermob.com
which has received up to 3 million
visitors in a year we're down from that
that's a 2019 High
um I mentioned the the online content
one one thing significant that happened
this year was
um damage that happened to the I-70
billboard which Robert LED on the repair
and Improvement of
um it looked like this at one point
um some big windstorms this spring you
know you saw all the way back to some
ancient advertising
um on that billboard here so fix that I
don't have an after photo but I'm sure
you've seen it on the highway
um
visitor attraction
is the next piece
um I kind of want to use this term
instead of marketing because there's so
many different ways that you can attract
visitors especially the ones that um
uh we feel our quality visitors to the
community
so I'm going to mention the drive Market
campaign and the Fly Market campaign
that we've been working on a lot this
fall
um as well as just a quick overview of
the creative for anybody who hasn't seen
it yet
some travel trade work that Melissa has
done as well as International Market
development and some Fan Tours
so the drive Market campaign is
officially in Market as you can see over
here October 17th is the launch date
that was yesterday
um so you know we've gone through a
process
um that we feel has been fairly
transparent with the commission and our
boards um to ensure that the creative
really fits the new direction that we
want it to go towards even though we
haven't gone through a new branding
process or a whole
uh you know new process
um
let's see if this will load
I'm just going to skim through this for
those who haven't seen it
pardon my tabs
can everybody see the presentation here
yep okay so this is from love
Communications
um I'm just going to quickly scan to
some of the highlights here the
objectives here really were to increase visitation to Moab among
responsible and conscientious Travelers
inspire a sense of curiosity among
visitors and desire to learn more about
mobs ecology history and culture and to
encourage off-season travel which
benefits local stakeholders and also
improves The Traveler experience
um so I'm gonna I guess I guess this is
an important part too really should
include imagery and language that evokes
love and admiration for the land and a
nod to moab's Natural historical and
cultural resources and portrayal of the
landscape is a National Treasure rather
than a playground
so if we look there's kind of three main
sub pieces here so there's the Nature's
Masterpiece
um copy reading you know Moab for famous
landmarks national parks which you might
not know is how much is still waiting to
be discovered if you're willing to
broaden your horizons on your next trip
make time to seek out destinations
experiences beyond your usual go-to's
you might have found in a new place or
an entirely New Perspective learn how to
visit responsibly at discoverlive.com
same idea
then this desert Treasures piece that
kind of is a kind of a different take
not this Outdoor Adventure piece but
more of what are our cultural and
historical resources this is uh The
Grotto from the Music Fest
if you think mob is a place to
recuperate between adrenaline rushes
think again with a variety of museums
Galleries and theaters plus arts and
music festivals happening almost year
round we've never we're never short on
inspiration for Modern Art and Cuisine
to ancient history and culture it'll be
amazing you'll be amazed at what's
waiting to be discovered
different treatments
and then lastly was this place for
reflection
um
uh
so you know this is focused on we talked
a lot about things like ephemeral we
call it ephemeral pothole ecology and
bio crust and these other things that
are you know uh kind of leading with a
like an invitation of curiosity if you
come with curiosity then you're going to
learn more about your experience here
and you're probably going to be more
respectful along the way
um even in the most this unassuming
little desert pothole is home to a whole
host of creatures each is unique and
beautiful as a landscape that surrounds
them next time when you're in Moab take
a moment to pause your adventures and
Ponder the intricacies of the ecosystem
that so many people Miss there's always
more to discover if you look a little
closer learn how to visit responsibly at
discovermodab.com
um
same treatments on billboards
I like these ones this they've got the
little fairy shrimp here
um kind of a surprise not something that
we're known for by the average person
but kind of asking a different kind of
curiosity some indigenous cultural
resources here done on potash Road
um the social media is really where some
of the the more explicit um kind of
responsible Recreation tasks come in
um I really like this piece even the
most unassuming desert potholes or home
to creatures as unique as our landscape
the deserts and the details is it
responsibly
um most people it just looks like dirt
to the desert it's a critical part about
the ecosystem don't bust the crust
um so we've asked them to expand this
type of social media posts that are more
kind of call to action oriented about a
specific piece you know and then this
will link to the new video that we've
created
same idea here desert biocrest can take
hundreds of years to recover from even a
single footprint or tire track see on
the trail
um
I'm not going to spend too much time on
this this is what it looks like on the
web
TripAdvisor
and then they did a video piece
um
okay that's that's that
um
let's see any questions
on
the creative or the marketing that we're
launching right now for the drives
campaign at the moment I think we've
talked about this a lot so far this fall
yeah thanks August it looks good and
that's a very thorough presentation
okay
I'm Gonna Keep crushing and try to not
take too much time here we've got the
fly Campaign which is also approved
um it's going to start this fall and run
through the spring
so from the budget perspective how much
do you predict how much longer do you
think you have like out of the 60 slides
how many have you done
good question let's see we're at 36. 20.
it's been 20 minutes so far
okay you don't have to do every slide or
there's maybe special important ones
okay I'll go really fast you ready
Melissa did a lot of travel trade shows
you can cut me off
um maybe yeah
it highlights maybe and you could you
could always email us the presentation
yeah it'd be great okay I'm gonna go
really fast
Melissa visited a lot of travel shows he
went to seven um National and five
international trade shows in 2022. uh we
went up to tourism down the hill doing a
lot of relationship building with the
state
um basically Melissa's doing a good job
I'm not going to go too much we did a
campaign internationally and a co-op
with a bunch of other National Park dmos
Germany in terms of film because doing a
great job with the Costner movie and
several other things in the area to help
get that real film incentive to to go
forward on doing community events free
movie in the in the in in the Parks she
got her uh certified film commissioner
status
under the wild weird wacky westerns
movie
um
fun little piece of here we got we got
Costner
um Business Services Ben's done an
amazing job you know what he's done I'll
skip through this the Canyonlands
business Summit
um sorry Ben we got 30 businesses public
agencies and non-profits across both
counties and 150 attendees
um it was really great we're going to do
it again in some form in February and we
had 20 or so sponsors raising a little
under 10 grand
uh this is what people wanted
lots of good information
um I'm gonna skip ahead of this because
I think grants is more interesting but
basically we have some good information
we're going to keep the business Summit
rolling in the future and it'll be a
good opportunity to share what we're
doing as an office
it was a good time
um tourism Grant we awarded 30 grand on
out of 50 Grand eight applicants
seven awardees
uh these were the awardees
the start business grant about a million
dollars in uh funding 49 applicants a
little under 3 million requests
um
your awardee projects
14 proposed construction and
infrastructure modification six Pro
Sports Workforce housing help propose a
new hire 28 proposed local operation
great numbers from Ben
um we will be on awarding well the
commission will be considering awarding
the first round of those awards today
in terms of the flood relief grants we
have process we uh can't hear you August
oh last year
how about now
can you hear me now
how about now
you're at home August but not there I
guess oh you think they froze
yeah I think there's something going on
in the commission room okay noodle
thanks Ben
foreign
but
foreign
I'm sure you're getting the same message
as August but I'm being told internet's
totally down in the chambers
I can see him now
okay done
20 years
and you hear me I can hear you now
can you see my screen still yes we can
still see yours screen all right I'm
just gonna keep cranking then
should I continue
so just last couple programs here
um the flood relief grant program we
received 29 applications for requests
totaling about a little under four
hundred thousand dollars for total
claims damage is over two million
dollars
um awarded 24 for a total of two hundred
and thirteen thousand three hundred
thirty one dollars five Max rewards for
20 grand these are the folks that were
awarded
um and then the special event Grant was
awarded this year
um to The Folk Festival for last and
this year the free concert series this
year the endurance Canyon ride and the
powwow
and I think that's it
all right awesome thanks August sorry
about the interruption any quick
questions for August
would you email us the presentation
sure certainly yeah that'd be great
thank you
uh thanks for your patience y'all it's
hard to fit everything into
15 minutes you're doing a ton of good
work man thank you hey
all right see you in a minute
we will move on to our presentations and
our first presentation will be our audit
presentation with John hatterly from
Larson and Cove
John okay if you know oh you're John
yeah
please thanks John
no
we've got the coffee too okay
it just came out it just came up on
email
um
so sorry we're going to pull that up
I'll start with the auto report so
that's the big copy
I love that you can see how big it is
okay or if you'd like to stand there's
the uh yeah I can see it it's all right
I've just been sitting all day today
um
so you'll you'll notice that the auto
reports changed for last year it's not
because you changed Auditors like the
audit report actually changed Nationwide
um now they've kind of restructured
things they've added some things that
were required to communicate as part of
the auto report which uh just I'll just
go over those real quick the first
section is now the opinion
um the opinion used to fall later on in
the report but everybody wanted to know the opinion first
um the opinion on the financial
statements this year is an unmodified or
uh unqualified opinion that's a clean
opinion in my world
um
last year you had a qualified opinion
um and that was due to some of the
component units
um because they weren't tested uh but I
had my team actually test some of their
balances at those component units so
that we could get comfortable with those
balances so then we we didn't have to
qualify your opinion so we did a few
extra procedures in order to get rid of
your qualified opinion
um
so clean opinion our basis for opinions
so we follow certain standards and those
are the general generally accepted
auditing standards as well as gaap which
is accounting principles and government
auditing standards so those are kind of
the guidelines that we have to follow
there's a lot of things that we do
behind the scenes besides just looking
at your financial statements a lot of
documents that we have to fill out as
part of the audit
um
you can see there that we didn't audit
um the Canyonlands
um Grand County Recreation solid way
Special Service District and the EMS
those were actually audited by other
Auditors and we just get there on a
report and in our opinion kind of relies
on their opinion as far as those
entities go but the other ones that
typically don't receive an audit
um that is the reason why you got a
qualified opinion last year are the ones
that we actually did procedures on and
we just so we just did that as part of
the financial statement for the county
um your responsibility for the financial
statements
um really is to know and understand
accounting principles know how to put
together a set of financial statements
know how to know how to record the
transactions in the books
um our job is to audit those
transactions
um
one of the new things that we're
required to communicate to you this year
is if well putting together your
financial statements or reviewing
transactions during the year if issues
come up where there's a question about
your ability to continue as a going
concern within the next year you're
required to do an analysis on what's the
issue is it an overcomeable issue how
are we going to overcome it and then
form a game plan
for example if something happened
everybody loses their jobs nobody wants
to pay their property tax that's a huge
source of revenue for the county if you
don't have that can you overcome that
and continue to operate as a county
paying all the expenditures that you're
required to pay or do you have to come
out go out and get some other you know
funding to be able to cover that so
that's the analysis that you have to do
internally
um our responsibility like I said is
we're required to
audit your financial statements
um we look for material misstatements
within the financial statements and all
of our audits are risk-based so we
identify risks that are contained in the
financial statements and we'll talk a
little bit about those
um
we also look at your internal control
um on the next page this is a is also a
new section of the auto report so you
can see the bullet points there uh this
is these are I've always been part of
our engagements but now we're required
to report on them in the auto report the
first is we just have to exercise
professional judgment and professional
skepticism we're not coming in accusing
you of doing anything wrong my opinion
is most people in the world want to do
what's right and they try to do what's
right and they try to do a good job but
we have to trust but verify so you know
our audit is not to come in accusatory
we want to help you guys get better we
want to help you you know do things the
right way
um but professional skepticism is you
know we we do have to question things
and when things come up
um you know and your staff are awesome
any questions that my team asked
um we had responses immediately
um if there were questions you know they
went and looked looked up the
information and we were able to get the
information
um so I really appreciate that
um like I said we have to identify the
risk of material misstatement we have to
look at your internal control uh we do
not give an opinion on your internal
control but but
um we do look at it your controls to
make sure a that they actually exist and
B that they're functioning
um if you don't have any operating
controls then you're on risk will go
significantly higher and we have to
change the way we test Things based on
you not having any controls
um we have to evaluate the
appropriateness of how you use
principles and how you understand them
and then the last ballpoint is
follows along with your assessment of
your ability to continue as a going
concern if there's things that we
identify as part of our test work that
kind of trigger those thoughts then we
also have to do an analysis on your
ability to continue as a going concern
and just for public record there weren't
any signs of you guys not not being able
to continue to operate as a County
I know I was talking about this to
somebody and they freaked out and
thought that I was telling them that
they weren't going to be able to
continue within the next 12 months but
this is more just the information that
we have to look at in during our
engagement
all right required supplementary
information just remember that there are
parts of the financial statements that
don't fall under our opinion and that is
the Management's discussion analysis
that immediately follows the audit
reports on the next page
um and then after the notes of the
financial statements there is a section
called required supplementary
information that has budget schedules in
it it has the URS information the
pension information
the schedules that are required to be
there so they're not a part of the basic
financial statements however they're
required to accompany the financial
statements to give more readability and
more understandability to the financial
statements so I always tell councils and
commissions and and other boards that if
you want to study the financial
statements the Management's discussion
analysis is the first place to start
because it's kind of the Reader's Digest
version of what's in the financial
statement so it's kind of a 30 000 foot
view of what's in the financial
statements there's a lot of comparative
data to the prior year so you can see
where you're at year over year versus
getting into the weeds of the numbers
and sometimes you get lost thinking oh
my gosh I don't understand these
governmental statements they don't make
any sense to me so the management
discussion analysis is a good place to
start
um supplementary information so that
would be any non-major funds that you've requested that we add to the
financial statements
um the schedule of expenditures of
federal Awards so that is your single
audit
um that's considered supplementary
information so supplementary information
is information that is either by your
choice or somebody else says you have to
include this information
um but it does fall underneath our
opinion
um so those those sections are audited
and they they also received an
unqualified or unlockified opinion
okay if you want to flip to the back
page a little PDF pages
probably 10 pages in the end
it'll go on the on your page side and
then scroll down your pages
and you see the secret rather that
report
okay so these are the the other reports
that were required to issue that this
one talks is a report that were issue
that says that we did your audit
according to government auditing
standards
um this one just this report uh really
just talks about us looking at your
internal controls
um not that we give an opinion on it
like I said but we have to identify any
significant deficiencies or material
weaknesses
um we didn't find any that we would
report as part of this letter
all right two face go two pages down uh
this is the report that we're required
to issue
um for the state auditor and you can see
the indented area right there in the
middle of the page those were the areas
that we were required to look at
um there's significantly more than last
year and that's because this is the
first year that we've done your audit so
it's the your your first cycle so
anything cash management open to public
meetings public Treasures Utah
Retirement Systems impact fees tax levy
recognition Enterprise fund transfers so
all those are our third year procedures
so you only have to be tested on those
every three years but since was this was
the first year that we performed the
audit
whether or not you did it last year or
two years ago we were required to do it
again
um
we do give an opinion on your compliance
and and our opinion is is also an
unmodified or unqualified opinion on
your compliance meaning that we didn't
find any material non-compliance that
um during our test work
um and as you'll see as we discuss the
management letters that there weren't
any state compliance findings this year
uh all right next page so two pages down
so the next report is the report that we
issue
um for your single audit
and this just says that
um we've done our test work in
accordance with the uniform guidance
and we give an opinion on each of your
major federal programs so we don't look
at every Federal program that you get
based on your schedule of expenditures
we have to determine which ones are
major programs and those are the ones
that we give an opinion on
so we give an opinion on your insurance
control and as well as your compliance
and both of those opinions are
unmodified and unqualified
um if there are any issues that come up
um
we are required to report them to the
federal government everything was
submitted to the federal government by
the deadline that was my big concern was
getting into the federal audit
Clearinghouse by September 30th but we
did make it so that's good
um thanks to Gabe for
kind of being there for the end
um
trying to throw everything together and
make sure that we get the deadline
um just a couple of things that I'm I
need to go over with the single audit
um on page 87 so if you go down 23 pages
um the summary of auditor results
so
um as far as what gets report were
reported to the federal government we
have to report what your opinion was on
the financial statements so an
unmodified or an unqualified opinion
there were not any material weaknesses
identified not any significant
deficiencies and no non-compliance that
were material to the financial
statements your federal award program
um we also have to identify our opinions
we did not identify any material
weaknesses or significant deficiencies
as it relates to the federal programs
um and any major federal program that we
tested received an unmodified opinion
um
that you can see that we tested the arpa
money this year so that was the major
program
um and MOA or Grant County qualifies as
a low-risk Oddity that really doesn't
mean anything to you guys other than
um it's more information for us
everybody freaks out about not being
low risk or not being considered low
risk that just means that you haven't
had any findings in the last priority
years and that you've had single audits
that they've been filed on time or that
there's aren't there's not any grants
that a granting agency says this is high
risk and you have to test it as high
risk
um so it's really kind of out of your
control of whether or not you're
determined to be low risk or high or
high risk and all it means is if if
you're not considered low risk they
don't call high-risk they say you're not
lower risk but that means that I have to
test more so that's that's the
difference it really doesn't mean
anything to you guys other than I have
to have more percent coverage
all right
now the management letter
I'll be quick on this one these are
things that we're required to go over
we do as a commission
or a council sorry
um
oh Commission
sorry
I talked to so many people like and
everybody's changing everybody's like
switching between here seven member five
member
um
all right
okay so the plan scope and timing the
audit uh we we outline that in the
engagement letter the sign at the
beginning of the engagement the
significant risk risks that were
identified so I told you that we were
going to talk about risks and these are things that were required to
communicate with you as well now
um so the risk that we identified were
improper Revenue recognition cash
disbursements and then potential
management bias estimates and the
ability of management to override
controls
so a lot of people have kind of been
freaking out about this thinking oh my
gosh we have these problems but
I need to
address these as these are significant
risks that were required to identify in
every engagement so if we don't identify
Revenue recognition as a significant
risk then we have to document what in
your entity would make it not a
significant risk and it doesn't matter
if you're a government the non-profit
public company everybody has that as a
significant risk cash disbursements
because you are a government entity
and you are utilizing public funds there
is a risk of misspending those funds
therefore cash disbursements becomes a
significant risk and then Management's
bias estimates and the ability to
override controls those are risks and
this kind of boils down to internal
controls
so so Gabe's ability to create a journal
entry is an override of a control
um as you guys know as as I've worked
with Cody Dieter
um on some of the internal control stuff
and kind of helping him you know with
the county
we talk a lot about internal controls
and your financial records should be
done on a transaction basis so journal
entries are a way to either
correct something that's happened or
Management's ability to override that
control so you have to have that ability
to create a journal entry however
inherently you can commit fraud and
conceal fraud by having that ability to
override that control so you can see how
it's kind of a double-edged sword so
that's why it's it's a significant risk
um what this means to you guys is these
are the risks that we had to identify in
our audit and then we have to plan our
procedures and our tests around these
areas to make sure that we reduce the
risk to a reasonable level to be
comfortable with the balances so
um nothing you know major that that you
need to change as a county those risks
will probably always be there
um but we we plan tests around that and
then if we think if we find areas of
concern we'll usually talk to Gabe or
whoever and you know if it's significant
enough then we'll issue a finding
all right
um
so management we talked about the has
the responsibility to use a appropriate
accounting policies
um there weren't any new accounting
pronouncements that were implemented
this year
um and and nothing nothing changed from
the prior year uh significant accounting
estimates
um like I said this was identified as a
significant risk but you have to know
that there's always estimates in
financial statements
um the the reason why that's a
significant issue is I always give the
example of a capital asset so if you go
out and you buy a new fire engine it's
500 000 and you pay for pay cash for it
on your financial statements if you show
that as an expense it's going to be a
500 000 hit to be to your bottom line
but if you say well we think it's going
to last for 50 years then we're going to
depreciate that over 50 years then it's
only a thousand dollars that hit your
bottom line that's a huge difference in
net income and if and so what we do is
we try to identify any estimates in the
financial statements URS
you know your net pension liability
that's an estimate and it's going to
change every year that one's out of your
control uh but we look at those to make
sure that they're consistent over time
and that they're reasonable you know
it's not reasonable to expense an asset
that's going to last 20 years all in one
year versus well we think it's going to
last 100 years that's that's also not
reasonable so we have to say okay here's
what how long you should depreciate a
fire truck
um the reason being is it's really hard
for you to plan for the future by
looking at financial data it's
historical when you have these big
swings in financial data because of
estimates because they can't change and
if you change your methodology then it
changes at the bottom line and then you
go back and you can't get consistent
data to plan for the future and so
that's one of the reasons why we we talk
a lot about it and we try to identify it
and make sure that they're reasonable
and that they're consistent over time
there weren't any uncorrected
misstatements there weren't any
significant difficulties during the
audit like I said we got all the
information that we needed
um I will it's probably a good time to
talk about it
um one of the reasons why the audit was
late was because of the component units
um we audit quite a few counties and
this is a problem in every County I I'm
giving you guys the charge or talking to
you I've already talked to Gabe I talked
to Clint
um if you can push the component units
to get their audits done
before the June deadline I'm working on
my end working through the state auditor
to actually try and change the law so
they have to be done by the end of May
that gives them you know a 30-day grace
period to be able to get them to you
guys to be able to get your financial
statements in on time but if you can
push on your end to have them close
their books right after the end of the
year get with their Auditors it
typically has been a problem in the past
where
um I would say the blame falls on us as
cbas because a lot of the CPA firms in
the state do tax season and then to do
government audits in the summertime so
they wait until after April 15th and
then they go on vacation and so then
it's May or June when they started in
the audience well there's no way you can
finish an audit that fast
um and I'm working with a couple other
CPA firms and we're trying to fix that
we're trying to get to where the audits
are being done earlier in the year
because now it's October and and you're
getting Financial reports that don't
mean anything to you anymore but if you
got them in February or March that means
a whole lot more because it's relevant
information you know and so if you can
push on your end I would greatly
appreciate it
um and and we'll be involved we I know
most of the Auditors for the component
units and so I push on my end as well
just just to clarify on that the
component units that that's um
specifically referring to our special
service districts that you all serve on
the boards for yeah that's right
okay thank you so it's like I just met
with Canyonlands just barely that's I
was in a meeting with them before and so
I talked to them it said look we're
closing your books the end of February
first part of March get your audit done
you know we'll get it to the auditor so
it's done EMS
um I remember the other one's a bit late
the song waste just was was late this
year so a lot of the major ones are were
significantly late so that's kind of
what we were waiting on
um disagreements with management there
weren't any disagreements with
management
um management representation so we get a
letter signed by management that is kind
of a full disclosure letter so when I'm
reviewing everything I'm reviewing our
opinion I'm reviewing the financial
statements I could be comfortable that
our opinion is correct and that you've
been forthcoming with any information
that you have withheld anything and
that's the purpose of that letter
consultations with other accountants if
there is a disagreement on an accounting
principle or how we're handling a
situation you're more than welcome to go
talk to a third party auditor the only
request is that we also have access to
that same third party so that we can
present our case and our understanding
of what the code is or the accounting
principle and then we can all get on the
same page and we can move forward with
the audit
um
yeah that's pretty much it so if you
want to flip the page oh you're not on
that match letter
um the very last part of the management
letter is the the findings
um there weren't any internal control
findings this year
um and there were no State compliance
findings this year so congratulate your
staff or Pat them on the back they they
do a good job
um and then in a few years that I've
worked with Cody on the internal control
stuff I know that we've kind of cleaned
stuff up and and had you do a lot of
different things in the Management's
offices the staff offices to be able to
get to a point where there's not
internal control findings
um last year there were a couple of
findings that we just have to address
and give you the status on last year
there was a excess budget
so you went over budget last year
and that was I don't know if you
remember it was in the health department
domestic violence fund Capital project
fund and Healthcare however that appears
to have been addressed and corrected
there weren't any issues of that during
2021 and then deficit fund balance so
last year domestic violence fund had a
deficit fund balance it was a really
small one
but that was corrected this period as
well so both of the prior findings are basically considered closed now
you've addressed them correct them so
is there any questions for me
all right
but basically we're okay yeah doing a
good job doing better doing good job
perfect but doing better great
and to remind those or just to make
clear to those who might have been
underwear this is our first year working
with uh John and his firm uh for our
audit and I I think it's
going to be really great moving forward
for the financial health of the county
um and I and I have to take a moment to
thank the uh the clerk's office staff
Christy Backus Janice Smith Janna Kyle
uh Cassie Rose who's no longer with us
uh Renee
Treasurer Kaufman associate
administrator Hall
I'm probably missing some people too but
it's a real team effort putting this
together and working with John so yeah
great yeah thank you Gabe and John okay
thanks all right
uh
very educational um moving on Utah
Geological Survey Madison Wetlands study
presentation we have uh Catherine ladig
from the Utah Geological Survey at
groundwater and wetlands program
welcome thanks for uh sitting through
all that
it's on the
yeah yeah
I read it
I can probably start some uh Catherine
lattice with uh Utah Geological Survey
groundwater and wetlands program
um and so uh we as a group are studying
the maths in wetlands and we're looking
at uh developing a water budget for the
wetlands
um and refining any that have been done
in the past adding a lot more details
um we're also looking at a brine layer
that's underlying the fresh water in the
Wetland or below the Wetland that's part
of the valley full of aquifer
um and then uh
part of that we're looking at Spring
Water there are Springs issuing from the
Glen Canyon group east of Highway 191
that feed fresh water to The Preserve so
that's going to be really key we're
looking at if there are fluctuations and
those going on anything like that
um and then the last bit we're looking
at vegetation and trying to do some
vegetation mapping we have a whole
Wetlands group dedicated to that so
they're going to be putting their
efforts
um without a fact uh kind of why that's
important for Grand County to I guess is
already touched on it so we're looking
at two of the different aquifers that
you guys rely on the Glen Canyon and the
valley fill looking at how surface water
is interacting with groundwater through
there and as we're building this water
budget that's specific to maps and
wetlands you know there are pieces of
that that are going to apply further
into Spanish Valley
um
so uh
there's maps in I need to start there so
here's our field area
um each of the orange dots on that map
are well each of the blue uh little X's
there crosses are a place where
monitoring surface water
um so we have really good coverage in
The Preserve uh groundwater flow through
this area is generally from the
southwest sorry Southeast to Northwest
flowing through
um and so we're watching the flow again
thinks that great spread of walls that
are already out
um you can
um all right uh so uh like I was saying
we're trying to watch for changes
um in flow rate coming from the springs
they sharing from that Glen canning
group so uh here's a just a little chart
that's showing some of the data points
that we've collected so far on Flow
rates
um the gray triangles are watercress
Springs Ranch
and then we have duck puddles North and
South which are two technically
horizontal Wells Facebook strings and
those were formerly called the water
park
great uh so on on the previous script
how many years was the horizontal ax oh
that was I think it's just over a year
it starts in uh September 21. so
uh so then my back like I said we have
all this infrastructure already in place
where we're able to monitor the
groundwater
um so we've placed pressure transducers
and uh basically every wall that we
could
um and then we take hand measurements
and the others about once a month
um the pressure transducers those wire
level measurements are giving you guys
an idea of how the groundwater is
fluctuating we can compare that with
things like you know what's happening to
the Colorado River at the same time
Etc
um one of the special things we have are
eight transducers that are also
measuring salinity though so that's what
these graphs are showing
um so the I think it's red yes Redline
is the salinity curve and the blue line
is the groundwater so we're seeing how
the salinity in the well is changing or
I think specific conductivity
technically here but um
for salinity uh
with the groundwater
thanks
uh all right so uh touching just back on
that brine layer
um
the origins of it are likely the Paradox
formation and that's kind of shown here
it's hard to see a little bit you can
kind of see the Colorado River flowing
across the top of the graphic there
um and then all the blue is that Glen
Canyon group sandstone and that's just
kind of saying like that's what's at the
surface for your Bedrock but that red is
where your surface bed rock is the
Paradox formation
likely stores will be doing chemical
analysis so
um
uh so to continue to get at that
grindler I'm really try to constrain its
location describe if it's fluctuating at
all
um we are looking at uh doing it or we
have already done uh some
electromagnetic induction logging and
that's where they go it's David O'Leary
with USGS is working with us on this and
they actually put a probe down in the
wells and they're looking at resistivity
with death
how that's changing this is really
important for us because another way
that we're going to look at those
surface or you know the transition from
freshwater to brine
across the entire preserve is using
transient electromagnetic surveys a
whole mouthful but uh those are going to
give us this planar view these give us
points and we can use these points to
calibrate that plane that we're
developing
um so again sorry I'll just rush through
so you can go
uh so this is what are these are
examples of what the transient
electromagnetic surveys produce
um so kind of hard to see but the top
two images are in that plan view map
view so we have the resistivity
essentially from zero to five meters and
then you can see the difference between
that image and the one to the right
where it's at lower depth five to ten
meters deep
and then you can also develop cross
sections to show ing the change in
resistivity across a region in that
would have solved so again those are
just examples from elsewhere that's what
we'll be incorporating
um and like I said another bit is this
vegetation mapping and so again
everything we're doing is going to be
able to be repeated whether it's by us
or someone else down the line
so the vegetation mapping is going to be
using this National Wetlands inventory
kind of method uh just tweaked a little
bit for this area
it'll establish some baseline conditions
future look at how the vegetation might
have changed
it's also going to help us estimate
about what transpiration which is a big
part of that water
how much water you know being lost to ET
um and then they've already started oh
if you flip back just quick
uh so they have started doing some of
that mapping so the squiggles on that
map are lines that were delineated in
the 80s and so you can see they're
drawing lakes or ponds where there
aren't ponds anywhere necessarily and
then it's kind of hard to see but that
brown isn't land surface it's actually
showing like current canopy height which
is indicating that the Woody vegetation
all right uh so the fun part uh
budgeting uh so we're proposing
um to partner with Grand County on this
in addition to our other partners
um at a cost to Grant County of twenty
two thousand dollars
um that we would be matching and this is
just in addition to our existing budget
um so they're the total budget on there
for this fiscal year was 139 000
um and uh you know our partner total
right now of that would be 62 000 ugs
would be paying the rest
um and then we propose also for fiscal
year 24
um that Grant County's contribution
could be 12 000 again with me matching
that
um we could bump that all into a single
proposal too for you
who are those other offenders
I know but uh so it's the Colorado River
authority of Utah
um yeah so we have Colorado River
authority of Utah nature conservancy
Wildlife Resources water rights
oh
um you kind of touched on this as like
developing groundwater
or the water budget for the mathesons
but will this help us clarify kind of
that big question for
residents of Spanish Valley how much
water
do we have
here to use so does this help clarify
some of the discrepancies that were in
the other studies that have been done
I think it would be in addition to those
and I think there's an aspect of this
project I think there some of our
partners are hoping that this project
would expand
um and that's just I mean
out there
uh you know there are no specific plans
for that yet but um there have been
conversations and I think that
Factor
would be more
in that direction
I was out there I went out there with
the division and I think you were there
when the division was out there there
are also Hugh and so at least from my
memory of that meeting was more like the
concern of water in the wetlands for
wildlife for example
um but also I know
to expand on that brine layer a little
bit if my memory serves me there was
some concerns about we don't really
happening with that right there what
could happen with that Brian Mayer so
yeah maybe expand on that distance
so there are concerns that if
fresh wire availability changes that brine could fluctuate at which
point yes you'd see
possible impacts to the vegetation to
water quality and then you know possibly
salinating charts
it's my understanding the brine layer
could also threaten the cities water
rights and sources of water so I'm
curious whether the city is being
courted as a partner and where they are
on the with us
or am I wrong
so yeah nothing so far from the city hey
we're aware they have a lot of a lot
going on right
so regarding what you asked before so
yeah this is this will be a real major
refinement of part of what the USGS did
oh
the the wetlands are kind of the end
point of the groundwater system
in the valley and so
charge will reflect what's going on
upgrading in the rest and then we also
hope to are hoping to kind of provide
some tools for wildlife and the nation
for the long term
management of the health of that
preserved if their water supply is
decreasing they need to know how much
water they could put where to support
the critical vegetation that forms that
I know when we went there they were just
finishing that Nursery is that correct
for I can't remember what species yeah
right so they built a little
um kind of fry Nursery I don't know if
I'm saying that appropriately
yeah anyways so it's pretty cool but it
needs water
we monitor the flow right into that pond
as well yes
dispersed throughout there
so I guess my questions related to some
of these others but it seems like over
the last few years we
you know we've been asked to fund
various studies about groundwater which makes sense but I'm just not sure
how this one fits into the big picture
like is like if we you know suppose we only
had a hundred thousand dollars to spend
studying the aquifer is this where we
want to do it or is this really only
affect the wetlands and doesn't affect
our drinking water
I think well to me but of course you
know I'm a wildlife person I mean I
think it's a more hole is a contribution
to a wildfire for is this like
preserving our
I mean our water supply which which one
is it well I think Chrissy's point to I
mean
applications that it could be to
groundwater understandably it's the end
of the line but
about that
would like to contribute
right and have a yeah
go ahead Mark
is a uh so I appreciate what Catherine
and Hugo presented and they have done a
great job and we're excited about the
information they're Gathering and to
answer the question about how does this
help us understand the groundwater
rights and future development on those
rights it's a critically important piece
the 2019 USGS study was a big
comprehensive picture
that they didn't go into detail and they
left us with a lot of questions that
still need to be answered
and one of them is down around the
wetlands
so the water that's passing through the
wetlands currently
underneath and and coming back into the
bot into the end of Mill Creek
and into the wetlands itself
represents the water in the hydrologic
system that might still be available for
development by for instance Moab City or
groundwater or San Juan County
so understanding that Dynamic and
whether or not that water can be pulled
out without harming the wetlands is a
very critical piece of information that
we need
as you know applications come in front
of us and as development moves forward
in in Moab Spanish Valley so I hope that
helps
yeah I think that helps Mark thanks
how many years of data do you need mark
okay you know we want and that was one
of the important points that when we sat
down with ugs in the beginning is
there's been a lot of monitoring that's
been done in the wetlands in the past
but it was
it hasn't been sustained and so we asked
ugs that whatever they do they
incorporate it into a long-term
monitoring program
so that these wells will continue to be
monitored well past this study so it can
help inform our decisions going forward
and that that interaction between that
freshwater layer and the brine layer is
poorly understood and and Tom who's your
next presenter is going to talk about
trying to get a better understanding of
that it's obviously
uh the wetlands are an important piece
of moab's identity
and
we'd like to do the best we can to make
sure that as we look at decisions
regarding water rights
that we we take those
um important points into consideration
and and to do that we just need better
and more data which is which is then
which is the point of this study
so in summary then it sounds like you're
saying that Grant County's got you know
some limited moderate budget to spend on
better understanding our water supply
this will be a good place to spend that
money
absolutely yep yeah there's three critical areas in Moab
Spanish Valley that we identified as
needing more research the wetlands area
the area around the golf course
and the area up around Ken's Lake
so we've started down at
the wetlands and we hope in the future
to look at these other two areas as well
um we can talk more about the budget and
the actual funding of this during the
action items
um and just leave those up for
presentation but those action items are
coming okay yeah great thanks sir
movement forward he gave me
all right thank you so much thank you
yeah thank you very much much
appreciated
all right our next uh report or
presentation I'm sorry is uh Colorado
River in maths and wetlands salinity
study proposal uh Tom Marston
investigations Chief with the USGS Utah
water science center
yeah
hello everybody
um clearly
yeah as you said my name is Tom Marston
um with USPS water science center an
investigation is about here in public
city sorry I can't either way
actually Tom you're uh yeah your sound
is coming across garbles a little bit
thank you hey I wondered
as well
people
sounds like your connection might be
just a little bit slow
really
yeah
okay
you have a pretty severe echo in there
yeah turn off your computer speaker
I'm out now
yeah that's better
okay
my name is
I'm getting still some pretty bad
feedback in there
that sounded better
okay
let me investigations
um
you have to mute the presentation while
you're speaking
right right yeah try to mute your mic on your
computer and just use your android
computer speaker
sorry that was that's me that was doing
that you're right
sorry technical that's better
okay
um yeah no I am the USGS liaison of the
Colorado River salinity control Forum as
well as the investigations Chief in Salt
Lake City
um and I will I will represent both
functions um today
um
in terms of of the interest and and what
I've am going to present and propose
um let me share my screen real quick
so as mentioned before uh by the Utah
Geological Survey
um
The Brines that have exist in Spanish
Valley have been known for quite a while
um they've been sampled and studied now
for for several decades and
um
and their overall impact uh
on specifically the Colorado River have
always been of interest to various
groups in the region
and there's been various efforts uh
across the years that have looked at
um
that interface between the alluvial
aquifers the freshwater aquifer and the high salinity brine associated
with the Paradox formation that
underlies it
um as you can see in this figure this is
a figure that's from a master's thesis
uh completed in the at the University of
Utah recently by Nora Nelson uh we find
the the highest concentration of uh
brines in Shallow Wells here in the
north uh West portion of the wetlands as
you get closer uh to the Colorado River
um
and in a very focused uh portion of the
bank here just north of where Mill Creek
discharges into the Colorado River
um
as I said before
um the salinity control Forum has funded
uh numerous studies looking at uh salt
loading in the Colorado River
um essentially in the whole upper Basin
of the Colorado River one of one such
study that was completed in the in the
early 2000s was to conduct a water
quality synoptic
um or a series of sampling events down
river at a similar discharge to look at
Salt loading As you move down through
the system and so this study was
published in 2014
what they found in this study which is
shown in was not done all at one period
in time just because floating the river
takes time and sampling is rigorous
but as you move down through
um the area
considered the Moab Valley Anna Klein on
through past Mill Creek towards the Cane
Creek Cane Creek and a plane we didn't
see a huge uh rise in dissolved solid
loads
um
which at the at the time of the Forum
was comfortable uh not doing too much
more investigation uh based on these
findings
essentially compartmentalizing this with
a result of the Spanish Valley that was
not contributing a whole lot of of salt
to the river
um
here as of recent with the long-term
drought uh that we've been uh
experiencing in the in the upper Basin
the Colorado River is has reached some
near-record uh low flows uh especially
over this last
um
winter
and our office saw this as an
opportunity
to go and Sample at an extremely low
flow in the Colorado River
with the the idea that this would give
us the best chance of seeing
um any salt that was derived from the
Paradox formation brines discharging
into the Colorado River and so uh Chris
Bukowski and his team went out and
sampled in March earlier this year when
the river was discharging at 2400 cubic
feet per second at Cisco
um and this was just an ad hoc type of a
an exercise with a
um a water quality Sun mounted to a
weighted troll
and we essentially were out fishing for
salt
um
and
what we the way that we kind of targeted
our our ad hoc sampling was to use data
that was produced by Phil Gardner
um more than a decade ago in his
master's thesis that identified areas he
felt would be hot spots where uh Brian
would potentially be discharging into
the river and those were shown here on
the figure there was also
electromagnetic induction studies that
were that were done uh with this past
USGS study that identified this section
of the bank of the Colorado River as a
potential hot spot for where Brian may
be discharging into the river
and so Chris really kind of went out and
targeted those areas uh with Point
measurements and these uh measurements
this is just a Google Earth image
um with uh specific conductance
um results uh plotted on on the map
um as you come into the valley the the
river uh has a conductive signature
around 1440 micro Siemens per Center
centimeter obviously there's some error
associated with
environmental sampling there's a scatter
here but for the most part these are
very consistent specific conductance
readings all down through this section
of the river and as you approach this bank that was identified by the
electromagnetic inductance
studies uh Chris was able to
very uh
positively identify areas of the river
that were impacted by uh salt discharge
from uh the brine layer of the masses
and wetlands these um were persistent
for uh the whole height of the water
column on the Moab Bank of the river
um and we're persistent all the way down
through the Confluence with with Mill
Creek he also took some
um readings in the River Post Spanish
Valley down here near the portal
um and we see uh specific conductance
values elevated uh essentially 10
microsiemens uh per centimeter or more
above what is coming into the valley now
those you know those values seem you
know not very large
um but the the the load uh of salt
required to raise uh 2500 cubic feet per
second essentially 10 Micro Siemens per
centimeter is not insignificant
um and so this this finding is of of
concern uh to various users uh in the
region uh specifically those who
participate in the Colorado River
salinity control program
and this is just a more zoomed in
version of the previous
um study or a previous
um slide
and so
part of this uh proposed work is to go
and actually do a quantitative measure
of load
um essentially replicate what Chris did
in a much more rigorous way to actually
calculate what the
total load at low flow
contribution of the Spanish Valley
brines is to the river
um
that's of interest to The Forum and I
think it's of interest to many other
parties in addition to that the part of
this proposal is to better uh is
essentially fill data gaps identified by
the Utah Geological Survey with their
study
and these polygons were produced by Utah
Geological Survey as areas that could
should be expanded in terms of
additional monitoring Wells that should
be installed in these areas
to better refine their monitoring
program as well as for us to better
understand the surface of the of the
freshwater brine interface
based on the work that I just showed we
would probably want additional wells in
this area down here where we know based
on Chris rockowski's work that we have a
discharge of Brian into the river
um
you've been this uh distributed The
Proposal that I've been working on
um here for the last eight or nine
months I presented
um this to various
user groups in the area the more on very
water partnership city
um and now the county
um this is a Cooperative lease uh funded
proposal
um with half of well roughly half of the
uh the proposed amount being funded by
the uh salinity control program via a
bureau of wreck that shows up here is
the 60 67 500.
um with uh the other half being split
between the USGS and a conglomerate of
Utah State Cooperators specifically the
Utah State Engineers office as well as
Water Resources
so that's 45
000 is the total that would be
um split between the Utah Cooperative
agencies
um the second part of it to drill all
the monitoring Wells
um there's also a small scale pump test
associated with the new wells
the pump test is designed to expand the
understanding that we have the Utah
Geological Survey has been working on to
essentially see how susceptible the
freshwater brine interface is to
dewatering of the freshwater aquifer
above it so it would be a very small
scale test to look at that relationship
but that would be included in this cost
and with that I'll take questions
um can you talk a little bit more about
the pump test I am what what does that
look like and what does it tell us
well the pump test would essentially
just be so we would uh Place one of
these monitoring the new monitoring uh
sites that would be drilled near an
existing monitoring Network or a
monitoring well so that we could look at
um I mean the original proposal was to
do this at a much larger scale
um there's a lot of red tape associated
with doing a large scale pump test as
well as environmental concerns that
close to Wetlands
um and so we
um we throttled that back a little bit
um to not have to to deal with that in
the on the front go of this but
essentially dewatering if
how this interface
changes uh relative to how much fresh
water uh
how much fresh groundwater sits above
the brine is unknown
this is the
uh
piece of of all of this work that our
office did as well as ugs has done that
is really unknown and makes uh some
folks a little uneasy that it
if fresh water consumption
um in the valley were to increase would
that change the elevation of the
freshwater brine interface in the in the
wetlands and with that change in in
elevation uh an increased discharge of
Brian into the river so the pump test is
supposed to mimic that phenomenon on a
small scale
thank you
so this uh proposal really is goes to um
look at the salinity levels in the
Colorado more than anything else where's
the other one is does that make sense
Mary
yeah
it's both because well there's also is
that five new one new monitoring Wells
that would
that which we make the logo match
correct
and would those have long-term data
collections
associated
they would be added to the ugf network
um
and for as long as ugs plans to monitor
them I do I can say this on behalf of
the Forum
um they themselves are very interested
in the long-term monitoring program
associated with this
so this would dovetail with the ugs
study
and correct expand it sounds like so it
does they do
and Mark would you chime in here or is
are is your office gonna participate in
the co-op match
we are encouraging them to yes
um I would like to see our office put
some money into this we're stretched
pretty thin right now but we're
continuing to advocate for it
um what Thomas proposed is again goes to
the heart of the question if we develop
more fresh water
groundwater up the valley is it going to
somehow impact
the wetlands you know if we remove more
of the freshwater layer
that's sitting on top of the brine
what's going to happen well we don't
know the answer to that question
and so that's what we're trying to get
at with these type of studies
um this is an important question to
answer for both Moab City Grand county
and San Juan County there's a limited
amount of groundwater left to use
and
if the major water users stakeholders in
the in the valley want to continue to
develop it
we would like to do so in a in a manner
that doesn't
negatively impact
the wetlands and other water users and
the Colorado River for that matter too
yeah Mary uh how long do these studies
go before we get any uh report as to
what is learned
how many over how many years
the synoptic study essentially in the
river we would have data back quickly so
that work was proposed to start this
winter
um the drilling uh side of this really
hinges on Drillers scheduled
um and with uh drought in the west uh
Drillers are under incredible time right
now
okay
we've already marked we've already
broached this so the city of Moab has
been approached has San Juan County been
approached to be a partner in these and maybe I just missed it I'm sorry
yes both Moab City and San Juan County
have been approached and both have said
yes kind of so we need to go back to him
again
and uh and do just what we're doing here
get in a commission meeting with them
it's an important issue and it's an
important question and you need to be a
partner in it
so they have not written a check is what
you're saying correct yeah
we'll be the leaders yeah sure
yeah you guys are always the leaders on
it
I'm very good we appreciate it
yeah sorry
people that are watching them sure I I
just wanted to add that uh in terms of
when the information will be available
for our project uh we're looking at
early 2024 early to mid 20s publishing
the final
results and that will include
recommendations for ongoing
that's that's thank you great thank you
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all right any other questions for Tom or
Mark
all right looks like um yeah looks like
that's it thank you so much guys thank
you thanks Mark yeah
okay all right
okay moving on that is it for
presentations we're uh we don't have any
agency reports we are up to
uh ratification of payment of bills uh
total Grant County bills the amount of
630
359.38 uh total Grand cany payroll in
the amount of 323
870.60 for uh total bills and payroll in
the amount of nine hundred fifty four
thousand two hundred twenty nine dollars
and 98 cents so moved extra second
all right any discussion on bills
saying no no call for a vote on the
motion all in favor
motion passes seven to nothing
all right
um we are up to General reports
commission member disclosures anybody
have anything that they need to disclose
about uh today's agenda
yes Josie oh I will uh generally
disclose that in discussion and possible
motions around special events and
special events ordinance that I am
employed by a special event in town and
one that is in consideration for the
quarterly ITA review
I've been the mode of Music Festival
great thanks Josie Sarah
um my sister has is one of the
applicants listed for receiving funds
from the star star grants
thank you
all right
um
General commissioner reports in future
considerations and uh
see I'll start with the other end over
there Sarah
all right I had a lot going on but not
many meetings
um
oh yes I attended the free health clinic
tour and what an amazing resource for
the community it's so exciting and it's
nice just to see that space being
developed
um
yeah
it was amazing
and that's all yeah all right perfect
Kevin
um I have attended a couple of budget
advisory report meetings since we last
spoke but I will not bore you with the
details we'll get to review that later
um and I think other things I've been
working on are be going to be covered in
other agent items
great thanks Kevin Josie
yeah just a couple things
um on the 10th I attended the
candlelight vigil at City Hall
um for indigenous people's day but more
specifically
um to uh
to honor uh missing and murdered
indigenous women which is a ongoing
issue that was wonderful to Spotlight uh
the next day on the 11th I also went on
the kind of new Health Campus tour with
the Moab free health clinic and I Echo
what Sarah said that it's just really
exciting I think that that spot nothing
better could have happened at that
location and I think that they are
thinking big and
um and kind of throwing that intention
out there and then getting the financial
support and the actual you know means to
do it and so I think it's incredibly
exciting and I can't wait to see how it
all shapes up and it's moving pretty
fast I would say
um
things don't always
um and then the next day on the 12th
um the events committee kind of worked
through initially the intent to apply
process which we are which we've already
talked about for a couple hours in which
we will talk about further in the
meeting and
um let's see the Four Corners Community
Health board meeting is still yet to
come but if you haven't seen their
Flyers they're having a 50th anniversary
celebration by screening a free movie in
Suwannee Park I believe they are showing
Greece and want people to dress up
accordingly and that's on October 28th
at 7 pm
greases that we said Greece
awesome
I'll try to keep mine quick uh Cemetery
had their uh new board member and their
first meeting so that was nice to uh get
to meet them and kind of bring them up
to speed with kind of General operations
and uh what the board does uh the big
takeaway from that meeting was concerns
around flooding in the cemetery there
was some damage done at the first flood
and then in subsequent rainstorms there
has been additional flooding so uh some
repairs have been put on hold and
um the road department has been out
there kind of working on some of the
culverts uh which are adjacent to Sunset
Memorial and hopefully that that
addresses some of the flooding that's
been happening
uh which has unfortunately led to Sunken
Graves uh
tilted headstones and the like and so
hopefully we can get that dialed in so
that that's uh not a ongoing issue with
additional rains and now with the health
department the health district we had a
the same presentation from the free
health clinic that we had at at our
previous meeting
um and they're just and the health
district is working on their budget
season so those meetings will be uh have
been posted as open public meetings uh
they'll be going on the next few weeks
and uh presented at the the November
regular scheduled meeting uh met with uh
Ems for today
um they approved adopted I forget the
term my apologies that started early
this morning uh their tentative budget
for 2023.
um
there was some good moves made to try to
cover some of the gaps in Staffing and
there was a discussion around
a cola there with no final decision made
on on what that amount would be just yet
or nothing set in stone I should say
I believe that that's all I got
great thanks Trish I just had the only
thing I did was I went to a flood relief
meeting with Ben and that was it and I
went hunting all right I've been a
slacker
Mary
um on the I went on the same tour
it was wonderful uh on the 11th it was
travel council meeting at meeting and
they discussed the priorities for their
budget for next year uh the they have a
good board they were very active and
engaged so that was great to see uh
budget advisory
um
go through all that the site future
committee for the umtra project had
their first meeting
ah I attended it sporadically
by zoom and uh had a meeting with San
Juan County city of Moab and
the three entities to talk about where
we
need to work together in the future and
one thing we talked we talked about two
things uh this fire department and also the noise from those machines
that fly over
motorized paragliders motorized
parathiders and uh
if we have a do an ordinance in Moab we
have to make sure
it fits into Northern San Juan
so that's it
yeah everyone's doing a good job with
that I'll try to continue in the same
vein
um I attended a trail mix meeting
um where we mostly discussed aspects of
the labyrinth uh Gemini travel
management plan as it pertained to the
kind of the different user groups that
make up trail mix
um and I missed a couple of meetings I
missed the tssd meeting in the motorist
Trail committee meeting because I was in
Cedar at the one Utah Summit put on by
Governor Cox
and uh that was my first real Excursion
on behalf of Grand County and I thought
it was great I I got a lot out of it
made some connections and just kind of
was able to see Grant County a little
bit more as part of the the whole the
big state
um and uh look forward to continuing
doing that kind of thing and and making
connections at the at the state level
for sure
and uh I also along with Mary and Kevin
uh attended the joint San Juan County
mob uh Grant County meeting yesterday
and
that's it short and sweet too
so it is just after six o'clock so it's
time for our second uh substance to be
heard session is there anyone in the
chamber who'd like to come forward and
uh be heard
is there anyone on Zoom who is uh
present to make a comment
doesn't look like it so we will move on
to elected official reports
um Gabe foreign
Utah Summit last week I saw Jacques
there
um my main purpose in attending that
Summit was because I concluded my
experience in the
inaugural group of the governor's office
rural Utah Leadership Academy Utah rural
Leadership Academy yeah that's it urla
so I got to have dinner with the
lieutenant governor and the governor one
more time and and sort of uh make
solidify the contacts that I made in
that program and overall it was a really
worthwhile experience and I think the
governor's office in Southern Utah
University for facilitating
um I'm not sure who the grand represent
representative might be this year I
guess I have to confirm that
um
other than that public logic inaccuracy
test was completed yesterday at 2PM so
that's where we tested and um
verified the proper functioning of all
of the election equipment in our case is
the express vote which is the name of
our voting machine that we'll have out
on the lobby as well as the ds-200 which
is our tabulator and that's what we use
to tabulate and comp up all the votes we
run the ballots through those scanners
um
and as far as the election goes yeah
there's a lot going on in my office with
regards to that lot building up
um I do know that
the ballots we were sent to the post
office at the end of day yesterday in
Phoenix Arizona that doesn't mean they
were mailed out yesterday because 18th
today was the first day they could be
mailed out
but I would wouldn't be surprised if
they were getting to Salt Lake already
by this time and maybe who knows maybe
your mailbox you know they'll be in
mailboxes this week I'm quite certain of
it I bet I can't make any promises of
that of course okay
and that's all I have thanks Gabe and it
looks like our County attorney Sloan is
actually I had a question for oh sure
sorry Kevin so um yes sorry to Spring
this on you in a meeting rather than via
an email but have your do you think it'd
be maybe at the next commission meeting
just giving like a 10-minute summary of
just all the election procedures and
things like that I mean you know there's
a lot of interest in those things and my
experience has been the people who watch
elections up close either in Grant
County or San Juan County anywhere are
impressed by all the the care that's
taken to make sure that you know it's
accurate and
stuff so I just wanted to you don't have
to respond but I was just throughout the
idea that it might be good to
publicize that more than it has been in
the past thanks for this suggestion I'd
be happy to
all right all right uh Christina
I did want to give a quick update mostly
I've been home with covid so that has
not been fun but I did get our answer to
the Blue Ribbon Coalition and local ATV
business complaint filed yesterday and
we've created a new tab on the Grand
County Attorney's website where we're
gonna upload all the feedings and the
discovery process is going to be really
long but I expect some interesting
information come out of that so I also
plan to create a discovery tab so that
the community can go there look at a
bunch of different documentation related
to the lawsuit so that that portion of
the website is grandcountyutah.net
slash attorney on the left side of the
page there's some different links to
different departments the county
attorney's office is responsible for
including the CJC and the Family Sports
Center underneath that you're going to
see Blue Ribbon Coalition there and if
you click on that you'll see a little
summary about the litigation and also
the pleadings filed so far so that's the
complaint and the answer I'll keep
updating it
thank you
all right thank you
um just look like there's any other
electives on so uh commission
administrator Mallory
um I don't have much to report that
hasn't been covered or won't be covered
so okay Quinn do you have anything you
wanted to report
okay
uh let's move on to the approval of
minutes for the October 4th uh 2022
County Commission regular meeting and
the joint Planning Commission Workshop
I make a motion to prove the minutes for
October 4th 2022 regular meeting and
Joint Planning Commission Workshop
thanks Josh
I'll second all right I have a motion to
prove the minutes by uh commissioner
Hadid and the second by commissioner
Walker any discussion of the minutes
seeing none will call for a vote all
those in favor of approving the minutes
and that passes uh six to nothing
unanimously with commissioner began
absent
um
all right we are on to General business
action items uh and we'll start with
item a Cooperative funding request from
UTS for maths and wetlands study and
presenting is commissioner stock
luckily we had some
x uh
essentially
coming to us for Cooperative funding
requests
um to help fund these studies
and I wanted to give you guys a little
background we have money budgeted and
the commission discretionary fund
and what we had set aside I got the
breakdown from Chris
um was fifteen thousand dollars for the
pack Creek gauge which we spent this
year we spent um
16 500.
and
9600 of that is an ongoing expense
for maintenance of that
so next year they'll be that
um and then we set aside ten thousand
dollars for groundwater monitoring and
seventy thousand dollars for monitoring
Wells and all of this happened before we
joined the National groundwater
monitoring Network or before we were
allowed to join
we received a grant to be able to join
the National groundwater monitoring
Network and so I think when I had set
aside 70 000 for monitoring Wells
it was before we even knew of it
existence or are like that we could
actually apply for that program and in
the long term that program will open
this up to a world of funding for future
groundwater monitoring Wells
um and it just takes a few years to get
established and then to identify your
needs before you can do that so rather
than diving right into
putting out an RFP for somebody to study
where we need a new monitoring well
Americans like I just go for it I
thought it would be better to just go
through the national groundwater
monitoring process and apply for future
funds
through that organization
um so we have
basically we have eighty thousand
dollars kind of set aside Loosely for
water monitoring water monitoring Wells
that we're free to use and we don't have
to use but that's there it was a little
confused about their ask because there
was a couple numbers so can you kind of
clarify exactly what they're asking for
right now for the Matheson study yeah
um they're looking for
22
111 for this fiscal year okay their
fiscal year
yeah and then twelve thousand dollars
for the next fiscal year
something that Chris had brought up is
that
because our finances are great
for this last year were
we just we have the budget but next year
our budget perhaps is going to be a
little bit tighter yeah and so I had the
thought if we feel inclined to fund the
study we could just do it all this year
because we have the money and that's
what Chris suggested
so base 34 111. yeah and just right now
yeah and I mean we could talk about if
that makes sense to fund that entire
amount or a lesser amount
I think it's a great study I mean it
seems like like Mark was saying it's an
essential piece to this puzzle that
is very important for us to answer and
as like Graham County why would Graham
County fund this I think
based on the fact that a lot of
additional development as possible in
Graham County and we're trying to do the
right thing with lining our land use
code to water use what we need though
really is like Baseline data and the way
to get that is through paying for these
studies and
so that's why I think it's it makes a
lot of sense I guess the question I had
I agree these studies are worthwhile and
but I was a little bit confused about
just how the costs are going to be in
portioned between Grand County and Moab
City and in other entities and maybe I
wasn't paying close enough attention
during the no what was it we're eating
it okay
yeah yeah with this one it seems like
the city is not inclined to fund the
Mathis and study at this time but though
I'm not sure if they've made a final
right final answer on that one okay so maybe we should just you know make a
note to ourselves and next next time
there's a studies funded we can find out
right all three
or alternatively we could say you know
we'll fund up to a certain amount but
encourage the coordinators of the study
to make the same presentation of Moab
City and things like that so that
yeah and I mean
the division of water right so it's
contributed
um
yeah I could so the city of Moab has
some of the oldest water rides in the
valley and they're also the place where
probably the less new water use is gonna
right be required or less water is going
to be required for future development
so in a way Moab city is
they're sitting on their old water
rights and they're like we're here and
we're gonna do what we are doing they're
kind of a steady Force whereas Grant
County there's more room for development
I think it's Our obligation
to help fund the studies that show us
what our Baseline is that we're even
working against
um so that's where I kind of understand
maybe why the city of Moab
I'd rather that they fund
a co-op match with this but I I do think
it's our responsibility as as counting
with the newer water rights but in in
that same regard I think that San Juan
Spanish Valley Special Service District
should also be contributing funding to
these studies
I'm gonna go ahead and make a motion
um
so I moved to improve the Cooperative
funding request
um an expedient expediating funding that would make any did I just make that
up explain it
I expedite sorry about that the funding
for 2023 and take it out of this year's
budget for a total amount of thirty four
thousand one hundred and eleven dollars
for our fiscal year 2022.
and then authorize the chair to sign all
future documents that's not necessary
anymore oh it's not okay even if they
have to do an mlu we put it in our
bylaws that it's assumed sorry I used to
have to say it after every solution
um thank you Trish all second all right
I'm a motion by Trish in a second by
Sarah any further discussion on this
yeah I would just you know we're talking
about entities who who uh aren't
contributing at this time but there are
a lot of other entities who are and so
this this study isn't being funded
solely by Grand counties this and I
think it's nice to be a contributing
member and as this is a a one-time
expenditure and we we have uh the
availability to do that in this year's
budget I'm okay with it
yeah well
all right any more discussion seeing
none I'll call for a vote all in favor
of the motion raise your hand
motion passes seven to nothing
all right we'll move on to agenda Item B
Cooperative funding request from the
USGS for salinity studies and again back
to uh commissioner stock
okay so this one
um like we heard from Tom Marston is a
USGS study kind of in a similar realm
they're in the Mathis sense but they're
asking slightly different questions and
adding some monitoring Wells
part of this
clearly is
very important to Downstream water users
the salinity load in the Colorado River
and that's why the Colorado River
salinity Forum has agreed to fund almost
67
000
500 towards new monitoring Wells but
they need a local co-op match and the
USGS can be a part of that but they need
then local matches in order to
at that funding so
um I put in here basically
when I put 19
361 that was kind of like the cap that
gets us to seventy thousand dollars of
spending
this year on on these studies
so
I think we should probably do less than
that um
but I do think it's a good study and
it's a benefit that we get monitoring
wells in the pump test
what was was there ask forty five
thousand said am I remembering yeah they
yep the co-op match would be 45 000. and
like Mark said they've kind of maxed out
their division of water rights funding
um
for the year but I think they've
approached Moab City and
it seemed like they had approached San
Juan County as well
um
I I think maybe something like ten
thousand dollars would be a good number
but
Jim do you want to make a motion Sarah
well I have a quick question with
so you said they need 45
000.
what if they don't get it I mean that's
what
I tried to ask that question at the
library Watershed partnership meeting it
seemed like
the USGS
always operates at a
like a 66 33 match
with local Cooperators so
I'm not sure if they would have to
shrink their study maybe they wouldn't
do the pump test part of it which
honestly is the part that is maybe more
relevant to us as good in our concern
for the wetlands though
all of it is gonna help
explain that brain layer better
well I'm not sure do I wonder if we want
to put an emotion something to the fact
that uh contingent on the funding they
find the funding
to do the project rather than just
you know that way if
something falls through on it which I
pray it doesn't I really think it's an
important study but then we won't lose
our money
but they also might be using this to
inspire others right now they can go to
their other these other entities and say
we got this much from Grant County yeah
we were given a phony Edge but if they
can't if they can't do the study
I think we need to let it know that okay
we get the money back yeah well um I'm
sure that that could also be written
into the mou
but okay we have to sign
with them but I think that makes sense
Mary that if the study's not gonna
happen yeah or if we had the option to
say this is to be used for the pump
study portion right if that's what we're
interested in
if we're making an example of of
donating to this to try to entice other
local agencies maybe 15 000 would be
appropriate so it would be one-third of
the ask and then there's a couple other
entities out there that might be able to
contribute the same
I mean I like that I do think we're in a
good position that
financially this year and we don't know
about the future
no I I will quibble about I mean any
money we don't spend this year is money
that helps us next year so I I think
it's a little artificial to distinguish
between this year and next year and
spending money
yeah
but I'm here to present to you
um well I'll just make that difference
too right what will you cut the
difference too
12-5
yeah and I mean this funding was set
aside in the 2022 budget so it's not
like it's just coming out of thin air
right and respecting we wanted so this
would it were the 19
1361 mean that we've we've tapped out
that fund actually I mean I that equals
seventy thousand dollars but then we had
I got the numbers a little bit late but
then there was also this other ten
thousand dollars for groundwater
monitoring that was set aside so we
still haven't spent at all
um I thought we just had 70 000 but
we do have eighty thousand dollars set
generally aside
but then I think we should fund the
whole thing
because the water is probably I mean
that's a
probably the most important thing in the
not the whole thing the 19th excuse me
you just use the entire amount that we have yeah overnight that she
suggested in here because
water you know and it's no no when she
said the whole that I thought she was
meaning
that's why I clarified real fast
no yeah I guess also I mean we did
receive that Grant so there's
um like 45
000 extra dollars of funding from the
national groundwater monitoring just
coming into the county for for
water-mounted train just because we
chose to be a part of that program so
these are all good things
I think
do you have any idea how much
I moved to approve the funding of a 19
361 dollars to the USGS for uh salinity
studies on the Colorado River in Mathis
and wetlands
and authorize the chair to sign all
Associated documents
I second that all right I have a mission
on the table by commissioner mcgannon
and second by commissioner houdin any
discussion on this I'm sorry I missed
the amount it was it was the 19 361
dollars
yeah in the packet
no discussion
all right I'll call for a vote all those
in favor of the motion raise your hand
foreign
I like the lesser amount
but I wanted it to pass so yeah thank
you Sarah for doing all that work yeah
and I think it's better to be in front
of the ball than behind it oh and I like
being the example motion passes six to
one with commissioner Clapper in
opposition
tell Marty to take that because others
all right we will move on uh item C
adopting ordinance repealing and
replacing chapter
8.16 special events of the Grand County
General ordinances and related ordinance
number uh 658 Mallory
we've discussed yes this is coming
before you once again with some of the
changes and we talked through at the
last meeting and
I think we feel good about it this time
and are working on other things as the
next steps that would align with this
assuming it's um
approved tonight
um yeah I
I've had a lot of conversations with
Valerie about this recently and I think
this is
you know a big milestone in our handling
of special events
um
I'm very happy that staff like Angie and
Rachel were able to put together so much
information for the hearing today and
that went a lot more smoothly than I was
expecting expecting so that was nice
um and but yeah I want to especially
thank Mallory because I think she's put
a ton of time in it and I gave it a
fairly careful read earlier today and it
looks looks pretty good to me I mean I'm
sure we're gonna continue to tweak it
but I I feel good having this in place
um I'll give others a chance to talk but
I there are some small edits that I want
to work into the motion so okay
hopefully I can make the motion of the
time and I'd also like to very much
thank
um County attorney Sloane for for
working on this as well I think she
worked pretty closely with Mallory and
has been uh instrumental in yeah and and
as well as Angie and Rachel too
yep yeah definitely Christina should be
included in the amongst the top ranks of
people think definitely it's been a
collaborative effort but but you guys
have yeah done the Lion's Share the
heavy lifting so thank you very much
yeah it's been a been a long process
and it will continue to be right
okay so so I moved to repeal
um chapter 816 special events of the
Grand County General ordinances and the
related ordinance number is 658 and
adopt new chapters 8.16 special events
and so forth
um in the attached ordinance and its
exhibit a with the following minor edit
um
it's me
in Section 8 16 100 B
Roman numeral
um
yeah numeral two
um item c
um should say local Origins sort of
locally origin and item D
um you know need to fix the
capitalization that line so just just
some typos but since might as well get
them out of the way
all right well there's the only edits
come oh I should mention there were
other edits earlier today so the unless
you are downloading this thing as of
about an hour ago when Mallory updated
it there's some additional fairly small
edits um compared to what was has been
in the packet earlier just some
misnumberings of sections and right or
that got replaced by nand but nothing
that really changes the meaning of the
ordinance great
right I have a motion by commissioner
Walker
second by commissioner Clapper
um further discussion on special events
ordinance I think one person we forgot
to thank was Kevin he has been really
the commissioner that's taken the lead
on this and it's worked very hard
obviously he's able to find those little
teeny mistakes so thank you Kevin very
much definitely thanks Kevin
all right I'll call for a vote all those
in favor of the motion raise your hand
well
so that when the and was fixed I can't
get the book online to work and 060. the
end was was fixed
also in the workshop that that's what
the commission wants
I think so I I think it was clearly
intent because of the following segment
after that
um so but but we didn't discuss it
explicitly in the workshop
um if you want to look at it if you
refresh your main agenda then you'll
have a correct link to the latest
version
the the discussion guys is in section
060 it lays out the characteristics for
low impact events Kevin Went to make
sure that was an and there was a
conflict between two sections which
meant you have to
um meet all of those characteristics to
be a low impact event what we were
finding as we prepared for the workshop
and in the workshop is that most events
are going to the commission but you guys
handled it really well today and so as
long as you know today happened
um according to what you thought would
happen
um then that's great if you want to see
fewer events then you might want an or
there instead of an and so it did seem
to important enough to just
I I think if we want to see fewer events
changing to an ore is probably not the
right solution because then you can have
an event with a vast numbers of people
that's causing closing all the roads but
unless they check all four of those
boxes they would be considered low then
so
um so I agree and we need to think about
what events you know what's the dividing
line between low and high impact events
that I think
is the right approach for the moment
I'm comfortable with the end
we just had a vote uh I don't think that
changed anything so the motion passes
unanimously
and we'll move on to item D
consideration of special event intent to
apply submissions this is what we
workshopped earlier uh Angie
and Rachel Bartlett
hello
so I'll read
um the motion as stated in the
background and leave off explaining all
the events yes
I moved to approve the following special
event a tip as applies for the first and
second quarters of 2023 and or if
applicable I moved to
um event sponsors interested in holding
an event in Grant County must submit an
ITA the special event advisory committee
SEC reviews all itas and determines if
the proposed of it is high or low impact
as for the special event ordinance high
impact itas are reviewed by the County
Commission at a quarterly meeting their
reviews are scheduled based on the
quarter the proposed event would be held
and they are as followed
okay
um
so uh just just a little bit more
background so we did for people who were
just turning in we did have a two-hour
Workshop earlier today where we reviewed
all the we put all the events in detail
um and ended up approving most of the
attempts to apply but but not all of
them and according to our just passed
special events award um ordinance we
need to make findings for when we deny
something so I'll incorporate that into
the emotions that I make break him okay
uh there was a additional email that
came in since yeah and I I spoke with
Angie about that and um
it it felt to me like it's a little bit
late in the game to be
denying something based on
past Behavior so I think there was a proposal that maybe
we mixed things up a bit but um
I don't know well we got that in our
email yeah from home
from a county attorney
and the topic had come up before yeah so
what one of the applicants I think they
were in the table I'm looking at it was
listed as an event that's been going on
for a long time but they haven't always
gotten the permit because of
disagreements about whether they needed
a permit or not
um there had been some conflict I think
in the past
so
um so that didn't come up at our
Workshop we didn't consider it but it
got it was brought up afterwards
um my my feeling in in anyone Angie you
know please if you disagree please say
so but I think for an event that's been
operating for a while you know with or
without a permit if we're gonna shut it
down there's kind of a higher standard
for you know the reasons we need in the
documentation we need and just based on
the information that I've seen in the
email
um I didn't feel comfortable doing that
so I Mike
do you have anything to add Angier well
and I just wanted to put it there based
on one event holder over another event
holder if one's going to be denied I'd
rather deny the one
that
has caused some conflict versus one who
has
whether regardless of their history
they both have history
one just wants to add
another recipe
and again I feel I think when we're I
haven't made the motion yet but the um
the itas that were not not approving are
both for new events that haven't
operated here before though in one case
it's someone who's operated a different
event at a different time yeah
um I just think so I think that's a pretty
easy reason for denial but if you're
going to say that hey you've you know
you've been causing problems in the past
I I guess I would just want to have that
written up better and be familiar with
that written record before actually
denying the event
so that that is why I'm not comfortable
knowing that you know if this had come
up a week ago and maybe we
could familiarize ourselves but um
I'm wondering if we could uh approve it
uh with it on probation
the the um
okay sure
that way we if you know okay I'll add
that to the emotion that we have
concerns about
can you pass at that event and we're and
so this is going to be watching closely
or something like that or we we request
that the special events committee give
us a report due to a report on how that
event goes this year because and what
let me go back to my email what was your
specific
to clarify on that we've expanded the
post event evaluation process I don't
think we need to create a condition
around that because everyone is going to
have a closer look this time okay
I was going to say I don't think we have
like a probation process outline I was
just trying to be accommodating we've
had it in the past remember we had
there's a review process but a
I think when we said things are
probationary events or probationary in
the past there it was just kind of
some Furbish to make us feel better
now there's that checkbox for is the
African in good standing and then the
teachers
right okay okay so can I go ahead and we
have some please Kevin yeah
um so I moved to approve the following
special event special event intent to
applies
for this first and second quarters of
2023 and I will note the ones where we
um
added some conditions and I will also
note the ones on the list that we denied
and then I will list some findings so
this is still part sorry about this game
this is still part of the motion
um Okay so we've got the list attached
I'm not going to read all the ones that
we approved but
there were two that we denied one was
the um number 18 on my list Grand Circle
Trail Fest the other was the um number
25 on my list the new
um Spring G Jamboree not to be confused
with topology Jamboree
which is the one that's been happening
for a long time
um
so that's that's the list of approvals
um conditions for the amazing Trail race
uh we wanted a special events committee
to work with them to Institute a shuttle
system
and um make sure the packet pickup and
other activities other than the race
itself are done in town rather than out
of the parking lot
s
and for the um Live at Red Cliffs event
um again we wanted this special event
committee to work with them to Institute
a shuttle system we found on the River
Road
and
um
and then finally some findings
and I can email you this to you Gabe um
uh the following findings were relevant
to our decision about which events
tonight
um one the current list of regularly
occurring events is weighted heavily
toward running biking and motorized
events to April and May are both already
saturated with special events
three we desire more variety in Grant
County Special Events and for we give
preference to events with an established
track record
um so that's the end of the motion story
and then I'll just note that in in the
special event ordinance that we um just
passed you know there's a lot of
criteria for what things we should be
taking into account when approving or
denying these itas
um I in this findings I didn't list all
of those things I just listed the ones
that I thought were most relevant to the
decision we made in case someone used to
document you know why why we did this of
course people can also just look at the
tape for a much
more detailed discussion yeah
all right and I guess I should have
gotten a second before talking sorry
about that that's all right Mary just
seconded so I have a motion on the table
by Kevin there's a great and long motion
Kevin good job second but Mary
um further discussion on this and I will
note that we did uh Workshop this for
two hours before our meeting we went
through everything fairly extensively so
I feel pretty okay about it
anyone add anything I guess maybe I this
is the first time we've done this way I
will just say a little bit more for just
for members of the public tuning in um
you know in Grant County we get a lot of
special event applications
um
they're they are
a you know bring people here which
provides US economic benefits some of
them you know provide opportunities for
local participation or local
entrepreneurs but that you know they
also can cause crowding and disruption
and so we're trying to in deciding which
special events we approve you know just
be more Mindful and
deciding which ones we do so this is the
beginning of that that process we've
been discussing it for the last couple
of years switching to this style
um
I I think this is an ongoing process and
I think this first round we
you know we didn't turn down any event
that's been operating so just in case
people think that we're turning down
applications you know willy-nilly right
and left that so far has not happened
all the events that have been operating
um
got approved but you know we do have
quite a few special events already so I
think the distance of the commission
during the workshop was that if we're
going to approve a new event it'd better
be offering something special like
variety
or you know incredible benefits or
something like that
um there were a few new events that we
did approve just because they had very
minimal impact near Moab there was a
motorcycle event that operates out of
Green River there were some races along
the Kokopelli Trail
um and so I think we for those those
events which were technically high
impact events but they don't have high
impact right here in town
um we were a little more doing this so I
just wanted to for people who didn't see
the workshop get that
thank you
a culture vote then
um motioned by Kevin and a second by
Mary
um
all in favor of the motion raise your
hand
and the motion passes unanimously seven
to nothing
all right Angie and Rachel thank you
uh next up is item e star business grant
2022 funding increase uh then alter
Economic Development specialist and
August I assume is still online were you
taking this one Ben I was supposed to
text him when this comes out
volleyball
but I can answer any questions there are
about this I'm happy to go over the
background if there are I think this
item is fairly straightforward this was
the money that was moved over from the
uh
um the budget amendment a few weeks back
and while I believe the intention was to
allocate five hundred thousand dollars
to this program it needs to be formally
done so that is essentially what we're
asking of this first time
right yeah and we did move that money at
a prior to prior mean I think it was it
two weeks ago or is it a month ago
thanks sir I moved to allocate 500 000
of economic diversification transient
room tax dollars
uh to be made available during the
September 20th 2022 Grand County
Commission meeting
towards the sustainability and resilient
star business grant program
sorry I read that slightly wrong you're
fine I'm too deep in working on my
legalese these days so
I'll second that all right thank you uh
motion by commissioner stock and second
by commissioner hadeen any discussion
great I'll call for a vote all those in
favor of the motion raise your hand
motion passes unanimously six to nothing
with commissioner Clapper absent
uh thanks Ben uh of course
and it looks like you'll be up here for
the next few items uh item F Award of
sustainable and resilient uh star
business grants
back to you sure so
um I I sent the commission an email a
few hours ago that um due to just some
pending concerns about water
availability in Thompson we want to
continue having discussions with Santa
the attorney and probably John corkery
just to iron everything out so I just
want to make clear that we're not taking
any way taking away anyone's award and I
personally stand by the recommendations
that the grant committee made and intend
to see those through as best I can so
Cena thank you for your patience with
this process
um so I've asked the commission remove
ABC Thompson llc's award from any
potential motion tonight
I'm happy to talk about any of the
awards
um to the extent that I feel that I can
we did have our evaluation committee
members signed ndas to just so that we
wouldn't be revealing confidential
business information however everyone
who is on this list tonight is aware
that
um you know parts of their project were
made available so that you all could
understand at a glance what it is that
Grand County Economic Development will
be funding the other note is that there
will be another star business grant
approval item of the first November
commission meeting I didn't want to add
anyone on here who didn't give me a
verbal or email yes if they actually
wanted their award which I know is crazy
but just want to make sure so this is
everyone who got back to me in time for
The A Team deadline so we'll have some
stragglers in November but I'm still
working on the contract so it works out
perfectly for me
um so I'm happy to talk at length about
the program any logistical questions and
then I'm happy to talk to uh to speak to
some length about the projects
um that we had before us tonight
all right if you'd like to ask Ben a
question or maybe comment
s hard work
thanks yeah it's hard work for the
people thank you Jacques yeah I was I
was on on this committee there's four
others on the committee I think um and
then it was overseen by Ben you did a
great job of facilitating everything we
met for two full days and then had a
couple of follow-up meetings
um you know you're not going to get
anything perfect but I think we did
pretty good due diligence and went
through and tried to apply an even uh
approach to Distributing these yeah and
I was just really impressed with the
applications like people have some great
ideas here it's really cool to see what
some folks are coming up within the
county to diversify yeah yeah it
couldn't be more and I want to again
thank the the committee for all the time
they put in and might continue
um as I call on them for for various
questions
just uh procedural
and maybe Christina would be the one
that answers I'm just wondering if when
we make the motion we should uh say the
amount and the company just for the
record what do you think is that
necessary
for the minutes
you're right I think Mary means does she
should she states the amounts in each of
the businesses
I didn't that I just was wondering and
Christina didn't chime in so I'm
guessing it's not necessary sometimes it
seems to be necessary to do the amount
so we could say the amount of the
700 709
135 dollars but then it's not quite that
it would be less 100 yeah
said the last the 609. 600. I recommend
um that you at least cite two in the
specific amounts into the companies
uh support in the package and it's all
right there so I don't think you need to
go through every single one
okay
yes I'll make I'll move to approve uh
the grants following star grants
excluding the hundred thousand to ABC
Thompson LLC
and the most uh the amount of money
will be
609
135 dollars
and did you mean to say that so the
grants that are in the packet the grants
that are in the packet
excluding one
all right should I repeat that sorry you
did it well enough
oh I'll second okay I have a motion by
Mary to approve the the grants in a
second by Kevin further discussion on
the grants
and and again this is the first batch of
Grants right that and hopefully we'll be
able to approve the rest of them at the
next meeting and I'll add that at a
future meeting
um similar to the tourism parent it was
just a bit easier because only seven
Awards but I plan to present to the
commission what our office learned from
this and how we think we can tailor this
program going forward
um to better fit our diversification
efforts because I think this was an
awesome pilot we learned a lot um
there's just a lot more to synthesize
because they're more
but that's coming right
and and I just said before but I just
wonder
reiterate and correct me correct me if
I'm wrong it's not we're not denying the
grant to
um
ABC which just seems a bit premature to
prove it now it might very well yeah and
that that's partially on my fault I
followed through with everyone who
wanted to discuss it but it seems like I
didn't include everyone on every
conversation so we just need to button
some things up so no no revoking at this
time
yeah
all right
um call for a vote all those in favor of
the motion raise your hand
motion passes unanimously and you do you do a great job yes thank you
giving away money
and it's just exciting it's so fun it's
physically tiring but it's very fun yeah
you guys get a chance
work with him on one of the Committees
it's pretty fun we're running out of
Commissioners
all right chiming in from The Ether but
yes Ben you've done an amazing job and I couldn't trust I I wouldn't trust any
well I could potentially trust other
people but I trust you incredibly uh
highly to take it take this on
thank you and thanks to our applicants
for putting their best fee forward it
was it was a pleasure to go through all
this and this is the outcome of many
years of work by uh Chris Baird and
myself and Evan and different people
that went up to the Capitol and pounded
those steps and it took us three years
wasn't it three or four to move it so
that now some of the trt tax goes
directly to help people that live in our
community
yes you know that's I mean thank you for
connecting the dots there because I
think we do see you know statements that
you know there's been trt reform and
it's freeing up all this money and that
sounds kind of abstract but now we're
you know with this list of businesses
and the money that's being awarded to
them we're seeing you know you what that
actually means on the ground here yes
yeah it's money staying in our community
and there's a there's a great
multiplayer effect here as well that will do us well for yeah
and I just just for the public uh
there's going to be follow-up we're
going to you know the they're gonna
we're gonna make sure these grants are
successful and that the money is spent
as it was
designed to be spent so it's not just a
giveaway and then walk away
right we're going to be watching it for
a while
all right thank you yeah thanks Ben and
um we'll move on to item G approving uh
Cooperative agreement between John State
University and Grand County Utah from A
Small Business Development Center sure
So speaking of our grant programs this
was a position that we had hoped to have
in place by the time that we started our
grant programs
um fortunately for us Megan McFall who
runs the SBD C out of Blanding for San
Juan County has been pitching in for our
County as well in the absence of having
this role filled she's done an
incredible job and she's learned a ton
about our business community and so when
we bring on this new role I think that
we're assured that they're going to have
very local relevant training in addition
to Great Financial Training
um the sbdc role that we used to have in
the county was a part-time role and
while it was of immense benefit to businesses it was clear that was something that needed to become
full-time because especially with what
Mary was referencing with the change in
trt law we have so many more
opportunities to work with businesses
and see new Endeavors through it so with
all that said we got together with us a
year ago at this point and hammered out
a plan for us to fund the role while
still being maintained under the purview
of USU as the sbdc rule usually is so
that we could bring it to a full-time
role at least for the next three years
and then I think at that point we're
going to reassess and see how it's
working out and if that partnership will
continue if that role should stay as
full time I suspect it would be but you
know that's for time to determine so
we're excited to work with USU on this
and um really stoked that the county
wants to fund us this was something we
talked about many months ago and I think
it just got lost in boxes so
happy to bring it back
all right thanks Ben any uh any
questions on this for Ben
I have a question Ben sure I'm confused
given our conversation do you need a
resolution or do you not need a
resolution do you just do the mou
what are we approving so U.S just needs
the mou
um when I send it to you you put in
resolution format and so I assume that was the best way to go forward on
the County's end
um if this is not the way to do it then
we can just bring it back next
commission meeting as just the plain old
mou we got
um I wasn't particularly sure about uh
the difference in an mou versus a
resolution for you know the County's
purposes
um so we don't we don't need the
resolution so I think we just had a
miscommunication about needing their own
solution so if all you need is mou you
don't need to bring it back mou is there
it's the exhibited to the resolution but
commission you you can instead of
approving the resolution you can just
approve the mou in the packet and leave
it at that makes sense
yeah and and I've reviewed this a ton
with Christine who's an awesome job and
I can confirm that the mou other than
the letterhead essentially is reproduced
exactly as exhibit a so that is what USU
sent us and what they're expecting us to
decide
great
I moved to approve the Cooperative
agreement between Utah State University
and Grand County for the purpose of
establishing the Moab Small Business
Development Center
foreign
yes excellent all right I have a motion
to approve the mou by Mary in a second
by Evan
and uh uh
would be spread out over the fiscal
impact would be spread out over three
years for up to a hundred thousand not
to exceed yeah
and is that from just general funding
it's money
um
every question actually don't know
August can you clarify it's from it's
from trt economic diversification
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great
any other questions or discussion
seeing none I'll call for a vote on uh
the motion by Mary in the second by Evan
uh all there's in favor of the motion
raise your hand
and that passes seven to nothing
thank you all all right thanks or thanks
August and Ben thanks thanks so much
thanks have a good night
all right
um item eight approving Board of
Equalization hearing officer
recommendations clerk hoytek all right
so you'll see in the packet um
provided a table of
um Parcels that did go undergo in an
adjustment as a as a result of an appeal
with the hearing officer representing
Grand County who is Randy Kelly he's
worked with Debbie Swayze the assess the
Grand County Assessor
I think for 12 something 10 years or
more now in that in that role was Grand
County
um and so presented in the table are
those recommended changes from that
process of of seeing hearings by the
Board of Equalization I did get a chance
to sit in on a couple of them
um I'm not sure if Debbie is available
on the call
um if we're aware if anyone has any
particular questions but the general
breakdown is that there was a decrease in total market value of a
million one hundred to seventy seven
thousand five hundred and fifty three
dollars
and the taxable values decreased by
amount of by the amount of three million
seven hundred and ninety nine thousand
nine hundred and eighty seven dollars
and so the reason
that maybe may look incongruous is that
um uh in many cases the market value
didn't was it changed as a result of
this appeal but that but the taxable
value was changed was uh was changed
because it went from a second secondary
to a primary and so that and so that
means that the taxable values uh I
believe it's 45 percent
um
uh discount is 45. yeah okay
um so yeah and then the the certified
tax rate
um
you know which was uh sort of proposed
by the state and certified
um by myself and and by you the
commission
um that so that certified tax rate
applied to that um that decrease in
taxable value
um results in a decreased total tax
dollars for all entities of
approximately 39 941.66
sense
um so yeah and you know in looking at
this and sort of considering how for
example a Treasurer Kaufman typically
presents items like this I'm thinking
that perhaps in the future
um a little bit of historical data could
be really useful and illustrative for
the Commission in terms of how many
hearings happened maybe within the past
10 years and what these what these total
amounts would be from year to year so I
look forward as I continue in this role
to think about those opportunities to
provide better information to the
commission I know Kevin in particular
will appreciate it and you just took
some words out of my mouth because you
didn't fully preempt me so but I can say
that with regards to last year
um even though this is this reassessment
that happened this year was in the city
district and we did see quite a lot of
increases
um the amount of appeals and adjustments
were relatively in line
um I I can say from from last year which
also saw a lot of increases just not in
the city district
uh any questions
yeah well some of us just some comments
for for next next time I just go through
this having kind of a
friend
um would be useful but I think as you
just pointed out
um our you know every five year
reassessment schedule is pretty uneven
and so this was a big year with a lot of
properties being reassessed some years
it's just it's only the Hinterlands in
the county and that's very different so
it's so a year over year comparison
isn't very useful
um you know normalizing it by a taxable
value is something could be helpful or
going back five or ten years could also
useful
um
I
it seemed if I heard you correctly it
seems like quite a lot of these are just
people who got assessed as a secondary
residence and they're saying no no I
live here in this primary that that's
two-thirds of it or something right or they may rent it to a primary
resident yeah yeah okay
um
and then I guess
it does seem a little I mean is there
some confidentiality reason that we
can't actually see addresses or just
some kind of characterization like each
of these items
I remember going through that a few
years ago and someone said oh yeah this
was a hotel that you know they had a
flood in One Wing and so they thought
their valuation you know that that kind
of information could be helpful or at
least flagging the ones that are you
know a little unusual
I know I mean I just just one wants to
get a feeling of what's going on and you
know when these valuation changes happen
and a big table of numbers doesn't help
them
you know and yeah the only thing I can
think of is that you know the the tax
bill records you know are essentially
public record it's something that you
can search up the only thing I can think
of is that folks haven't even gotten
their tax bills yet for this year and so
perhaps there's an element of
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um
perhaps there's an element of waiting
until you know you know folks get their
actual bill before it's sort of released
to the public I'm not sure that's the
only thing I can think of at the moment
as to why um I have intentionally sort
of followed the model of keeping you
know what actually
you know what it might be as much as
anything is our our property tax
software when I generate reports from
that they um their the report that I use
to create this generate this spreadsheet
um actually doesn't include the um owner
names it's just by parcel for that
particular report so I think as much as
anything it might be like you know the you know I I haven't developed the
trick yet to associate the the owner
names or the the addresses with the
personal numbers yeah and even I mean I
don't know that names are necessary you
know addresses might be helpful but even if this were just somehow
categorized like you know here's you
know here the first block you know this
is
secondary to primary and then the next
block is I don't know yeah totally and I think I took I took one small step in
that direction by adding the key at the
top which hadn't been offered in the
past okay but but you're right I think I
could even go further than that
okay sorry to give you such a hard time
no no that's totally great yeah
any other uh questions for Gabe
don't think we have a motion on the
table yet we don't right I would move to
prove the proposed Board of Equalization
hearing officers recommendations
resulting from taxpayer evaluation
appeals during the 2020 to Boe hearings
I'll second all right motion by
commissioner Clapper second by
commissioner Walker any other discussion
on that
seeing Nano call for a vote all those in
favor the motion raise your hand
passes six to nothing with commissioner
stock absence
and that ends our uh actually it brings
us to the consent agenda
um tonight's consent agenda consists of
item a sole source purchase uh Eco equip
Hydro media blaster
um we also have applications to the
Bureau of Land Management to renew Road
rights of way uh ratifying chair
signature on updated opioid legal
representation agreement
ratified Grand County Sub grantee
agreement between Utah Association of
family support center Incorporated and
Family Support Center Grant County and
lastly renewal of 400 East Highway 191
billboard
so moved
and I'll second that all right motion to
approve the consent agenda by
commissioner mcgannon a second by
commissioner Adin in a discussion on the
consent agenda
and we usually don't but I have two
things when I Googled uh Hydro Blaster I
came up with a bunch of Super Soaker
squirt guns
the record that's not what we're
discussing
uh
right yeah and I'm I'm uh not a fan of
billboards so that's the justification
of the way I'll vote
all right
um on the subject you feel I'm not a fan
of billboards either but if we are going
to have Billboards which are very hard
to get rid of because of state code I'd
like them to be our Billboards rather
than some random person's building so
I'm in favor of us you know snapping up
all the Billboards we can't
I like it all right this discussion has
persuaded me
I have a motion uh to approve the
consent agenda by commissioner McGann in
the second by commissioner hideen all
those in favor of the motion raise your
hand
and that passes unanimously
excellent
um
go to entertain a motion to go I moved
that we go into closed session to talk
uh discuss uh pending or reasonable
imminent dedication
one second
all right uh any discussion another
motion
all in favor of going into closed
session raise your hand
passes unanimously time is
it is uh 709 P.M