[0:41] now
[0:45] Dan can you hear it just now
[0:49] hello Ben
[0:51] got it all right looks like we're
[0:56] good
[0:58] okay
[0:59] all right it's uh
[1:03] 203 October 18th I will open this uh
[1:07] Grand County Commission uh workshop on
[1:09] special events in attendance we have
[1:12] commissioner Sarah stock Kevin Walker uh
[1:14] Jesse Kovash Trisha Dean Mary McGann and
[1:17] myself Josh Hadler we also have uh clerk
[1:21] Gabe Wake Tech admission commission
[1:23] administrator Mallory Nassau and
[1:24] Associate administrator Quinn Hall and
[1:28] from special events we have Angie book
[1:30] director of osta and Rachel Bartlett
[1:35] um with the economic development
[1:37] department and special events
[1:39] coordinator
[1:40] um I will turn this over to Angie and
[1:43] Rachel at this time
[1:45] okay I'm so would you guys like us to
[1:48] start with just going event by event and
[1:51] we answer questions
[1:54] okay maybe explain the
[1:56] we need
[1:57] to go through
[1:59] criteria how to
[2:06] yeah I think you're like starting with
[2:07] the ordinance probably just I think just for the public it'd probably be
[2:10] worth going over
[2:12] um criteria and
[2:14] um I guess yeah exactly okay we haven't
[2:16] passed the ordinance yet so okay you
[2:19] might want to chime in a little bit on
[2:21] this because I'm not as familiar with
[2:23] the ordinance it's going to be moisture
[2:25] As You Are
[2:28] so what we're going to do is go over the
[2:30] criteria
[2:31] um for these events being here these are
[2:34] the high impact events that meet County
[2:38] Commission requirement for needing
[2:40] approval so these are the events that
[2:45] um are over a certain number do you want
[2:48] to
[2:48] I would say
[2:51] what they are is we have the little
[2:54] special event advisory committee meet
[2:56] yeah and so I think this catches some
[2:58] that are kind of in a in a gray area
[3:01] like well
[3:03] like we continue this could be high
[3:06] impact based on but it's not a
[3:10] we're not at the point and I don't think
[3:13] we're going to set it up that it's ever
[3:15] you know black and white we want to keep
[3:17] it kind of holistic but this is within
[3:19] the ordinance in terms of the size but
[3:23] there are other things that we capture
[3:26] that we thought until that is ironed out
[3:29] with the ordinance we just thought it
[3:30] would be best to bring it to all of you
[3:32] that sounds good but you guys decided
[3:34] get your feedback on a
[3:37] um so the way we have it set up is it
[3:41] will be the event
[3:43] um the date of the event the total daily
[3:46] attendance so the total daily tenants is
[3:49] everything and hold those participants
[3:51] that's staff that's registration uh
[3:54] volunteers that's the whole toll
[3:58] um and then some staff notes we thought
[4:01] we would just touch on the important
[4:03] notes and Angie on the attendance I know
[4:06] I'm in the past there's been some
[4:07] confusion about whether attendance is
[4:08] number of vehicles or number of people
[4:10] yeah in the for the events listed here
[4:12] is all the number of people it's all of
[4:15] it
[4:17] okay so if I see a motorized event with
[4:20] 40 people I can guess that might you
[4:22] know should be in 20 or 30 vehicles
[4:29] know that answer I'll try to give that
[4:32] as I go through
[4:33] um so the first one and we numbered them
[4:35] so as I go through I'll give the number
[4:37] and then see if it
[4:40] so the first one is the Arches ultra
[4:42] marathon and the type is athletic it's
[4:46] competition it's a running event the
[4:48] date is January 28th total daily
[4:50] attendance is 1 385.
[4:54] staff knows is this is a running event
[4:56] I'm using Brands kwanzo's Klondike glove
[4:59] it has a five years of history and good
[5:02] standing and the ITA was also approved
[5:05] by SEC before all the process changes
[5:11] any questions on that event
[5:15] um where do you know where it's staged
[5:17] from they started the brands and then
[5:19] they run through some of the trails in
[5:21] Quantum product Blossom and come back
[5:22] through
[5:27] I like it that it's in January
[5:29] is a great time
[5:33] the Mad moose right which is which is
[5:35] local that's the Ricks right yeah Denise
[5:37] and Justin yeah
[5:41] the next one we're going into February
[5:43] this is Bob's Red Hot it's also an
[5:46] athletic competition event the date
[5:48] February 18th total of daily attendance
[5:51] is 1100. also running an event
[5:54] um the event is using lower Gemini
[5:56] Bridges area 16 years of history in good
[5:59] standing it also was
[6:02] um the ITA was approved through sec is
[6:12] I'll just keep going you guys let me
[6:13] know if you have questions okay I think
[6:14] that's great yeah
[6:16] um really quickly I'm sorry if this has
[6:18] already done what I say for people
[6:20] listening what SEC is
[6:21] oh second is the special event
[6:25] advisory committee
[6:29] um March attempt to Appliance number
[6:32] three is lineup Red Cliffs this this is
[6:35] actually a group of eight concerts
[6:39] um spanning over the season
[6:42] they don't have their exact dates yet
[6:44] but they wanted to get their attempt to
[6:46] apply it because they'll be starting in
[6:48] the spring
[6:49] and so it's March through June and
[6:52] they're looking at eight dates and
[6:54] they're looking at 750 per event
[6:57] um their music events held at Red Cliffs
[6:59] Lodge using a permanent stage
[7:02] um and then the schedule is not
[7:03] finalized yet
[7:05] yeah
[7:07] go ahead Mary so this would be an event
[7:09] that uh
[7:10] for locals to go to the concert
[7:13] [Music]
[7:16] um are they on the weekends or is there
[7:19] should be done they don't have those
[7:21] dates
[7:22] I think one of them that we said I
[7:24] wouldn't say was April 30th but they're
[7:26] working with the artist's schedule so
[7:28] they're kind of catching people as
[7:29] they're going from Denver to Salt Lake
[7:31] and stuff like that so some of them
[7:32] would probably be on a weekday some of
[7:34] them will probably be weekends there's
[7:36] no way to know at this point and this
[7:38] will be the first year for these they
[7:40] actually have done two three
[7:43] um for this this fall I think two of
[7:45] them are already happened and there's
[7:46] one coming up next month were they as
[7:49] large I don't think they're as large all
[7:51] the numbers are can't say maximum
[7:54] anticipated attention so these are very
[7:56] optimistic projections
[7:58] yeah we told them to go with a higher
[8:01] number rather they'd rather be safe than
[8:03] sorry on the low number I mean I I like
[8:07] the sound of music
[8:09] um my concern here is just the level of
[8:13] traffic on the River Road and if it's on
[8:14] Peak weekends what's happening then
[8:19] I mean the filming is having a huge
[8:22] impact on traffic on the River Road also
[8:24] and that's
[8:26] it's just a very high use area but I'm
[8:29] not sure
[8:31] it's hard to know if it's if we don't
[8:32] know when the dates are or when I spoke
[8:34] to Stephen Stephen Walker from my place
[8:36] he's student organizing he is
[8:38] anticipating a certain percentage of
[8:40] that being the people who are staying at
[8:42] the lodge as well um you didn't give me
[8:44] an exact number because again this is a
[8:46] new series
[8:48] it takes a couple years to kind of
[8:49] figure out exactly where people are
[8:50] coming from
[8:52] yeah
[8:55] excuse me
[9:00] any other questions on the red Cliff's
[9:02] events
[9:04] okay so number four is Moab run the
[9:07] Rocks it's also an athletic competition
[9:10] event the dates are March 3rd through
[9:12] March 5th daily total attendance is 500.
[9:16] um running event Gemini Bridges
[9:19] Magnificent Seven France and Navajo
[9:22] rocks this is a new event
[9:25] um their ice their ITA was approved by
[9:27] sakfa for the process
[9:36] okay gotcha yeah so this is so it's the
[9:40] same organizers as above rocks yeah
[9:46] number five is the skinny Tire Fest
[9:49] athletic um this is a fundraiser event
[9:51] there are fundraising goes to the
[9:54] American Lung Society the dates are
[9:56] March 11th through the 14th total daily
[9:59] attendance is 645.
[10:02] um
[10:02] the roads the cycling event using the
[10:05] Loop Road potash Road 313 to Denver's
[10:07] Point State Park in Arches National Park
[10:10] and then they also have 22 years of good
[10:14] standing history
[10:17] um real quick going back to the Moab run
[10:19] the Rocks where does the staging for
[10:22] that take place
[10:23] it's different days
[10:24] so the first day they're doing the
[10:26] Gemini Bridges mag 7 so they're staging
[10:28] at the Seven Mile parking lot the second
[10:31] day is the brand so the branch parking
[10:33] lot into the third day is chronic blood
[10:35] so The Chronic blood
[10:37] okay
[10:39] although I think they do also offer a
[10:41] shuttle if I remember correctly they do
[10:43] that for the bike event I don't know if
[10:44] they're going to do that for the running
[10:45] event or not
[10:50] um number six is the Canyonlands half
[10:52] marathon it's an athletic competent
[10:55] competitive running event I'm using
[10:58] Highway 128 dates are March 18th total
[11:02] daily attendance is 1700. I am this does
[11:05] require an advanced life support station
[11:08] due to it being over 1500 participants
[11:11] it has 47 years of good standing in
[11:15] history
[11:16] um the ITA was also approved before
[11:19] processing through sec
[11:24] number seven behind the Rocks Ultra is
[11:28] an athletic competitive event on March
[11:30] 25th total daily attendance is 450. I'm
[11:35] running an event using behind the Rocks
[11:37] minimal Trail usage in Grant County nine
[11:40] years of history and good standing and
[11:43] the ITA was also approved through sec
[11:46] for any process changes
[11:49] Moab rocks number eight
[11:52] is also an athletic competitive event
[11:54] for the dates of March 25th through 27th
[11:58] daily total attendance is 435
[12:02] mountain biking event using the whole
[12:04] enchilada Klondike gloves and
[12:06] Magnificent Seven Ten Years of history
[12:09] and good standing and the ITA was also
[12:11] approved through SEC before process
[12:13] changes
[12:17] I'm going to skip over number nine real
[12:19] quick and jump to number 10.
[12:22] because I'm in a group number nine in
[12:23] with other items
[12:26] um number 10 is Easter Jeep Safari it's
[12:29] a motorized event and Expo
[12:33] that takes place on trails and at osta
[12:36] the dates are March 31st through April
[12:39] 9th daily total attendance is 750.
[12:43] uh they have over 58 years of good
[12:46] standing history
[12:49] their BLM permit allows 50 vehicles per
[12:52] Trail but they keep it between 25 to 40.
[12:56] they like to say below the threshold and
[12:58] that depends on what trail they're going
[13:00] to be on
[13:01] um
[13:03] and
[13:05] so again so on the sheet that we have
[13:08] Jesus as far as number nine yeah
[13:13] I want to go back to normal but on my
[13:16] seat number nine is Jeep Safari she's
[13:17] looking at the um agenda summary
[13:27] so but but I guess my other comments is
[13:29] we reached the end of a quarter maybe we
[13:31] should
[13:32] I mean the the format we're trying to
[13:34] get into is we look at everything for
[13:35] according to make a decision so
[13:38] you want me to stop and then we'll touch
[13:40] bases yeah why don't we try to figure
[13:41] out this first quarter and then resume
[13:43] so we'll stop it you want to stop at mob
[13:45] rocks or do you want to include Jeep
[13:47] Safari Chief so far it seems like it's
[13:49] mostly in April so I would include that
[13:50] as a spring event
[13:52] [Music]
[13:58] lots of athletic events the first
[14:00] quarter left and running
[14:02] yeah so I guess my impression is you
[14:04] know there it is heavy on running events
[14:07] um
[14:08] it's it's not a really a packed calendar
[14:10] I think because of the time the time of
[14:12] year
[14:13] um I mean I do I do think we have quite
[14:15] a lot of relevant running events around
[14:17] here we should like automatically
[14:19] the great but these mostly seem to be
[14:22] stage and appropriate places I'm I'm not
[14:25] as familiar with some of the trails
[14:27] they're using
[14:29] um but I was wondering if something this
[14:32] is kind of a warm-up for the next
[14:33] quarter which is much bigger but you
[14:36] know we could look at what would happen
[14:37] if we approve the events that have been
[14:39] going on for say more than 12 years or
[14:41] something like that and then see how
[14:43] full the calendar looks and see whether
[14:45] we want to add anything additional
[14:47] beyond that
[14:49] um just as a way to get this decision
[14:51] more quickly
[14:56] yeah sure Kevin yeah
[14:58] so what you're proposing is uh
[15:01] check add in the ones that have been
[15:03] around for how long do you say 10 years
[15:05] over the spring it seemed like 12 was a
[15:08] good cut off
[15:09] um
[15:11] but
[15:13] you know I mean I I think you can just
[15:16] worked out and I think one of the
[15:17] criteria listed is like near the half
[15:19] marathon you know that's a very
[15:20] disruptive event but it's been going on
[15:22] for a long time right and I'm I'm guess
[15:24] I haven't heard anyone say that we
[15:26] shouldn't be you know giving them a
[15:27] permit anymore so that's like one of the
[15:29] easy yeses on here and so we should get
[15:32] those out of the way first and then see
[15:34] whether the calendar seems full or see
[15:37] whether we would do better to have even
[15:38] more events
[15:43] I don't see any event in the blue
[15:47] that first quarter that I would be
[15:50] uncomfortable with
[15:52] their
[15:54] pretty you know they've been around
[15:55] forever and
[15:58] we'll just just playing Devil's Advocate
[16:00] like the the concert series they're
[16:03] talking about pretty High attendance and
[16:04] they haven't and it's mostly actually in
[16:06] the spring rather than the winter
[16:09] and you know if those were the little
[16:11] coincide with other High attendance
[16:13] events that might not be so great so it
[16:15] seems a little since you know crowding
[16:17] on the calendars one of the things we're
[16:19] concerned about
[16:20] pre-approving an event that doesn't even
[16:22] have a state so yeah it seems a little
[16:24] bit strange on the other hand I do agree
[16:25] that you know this kind of musical event
[16:26] adds variety and otherwise would be a
[16:29] good thing and and I I'm wondering are
[16:31] they considering it all having like they
[16:34] do for the music festival having uh
[16:38] shadow
[16:42] this one actually brought
[16:45] Steven
[16:46] um and I know that you had mentioned
[16:47] putting conditions on the dates so that
[16:50] you can say you can do any of these
[16:52] dates but the state just being this date
[16:54] and I can take it to him and say like
[16:56] okay these are the rules yeah so just to
[16:58] be clear on the on the um on the
[17:00] concerts they're basically working with
[17:01] the artists that that might happen to be
[17:04] in the area so the dates could be
[17:06] extremely nebulous like yeah just
[17:08] depending on who's coming through and it
[17:10] could be a Tuesday or Wednesday night
[17:12] yeah and how far in advance would they
[17:14] have the information as to when the
[17:16] concert would actually be
[17:17] like a couple months usually I how long
[17:20] does it do I see anybody from the travel
[17:22] Council on here because that's how they
[17:24] work with our events that come to summer
[17:27] concerts at Swanee is they work with
[17:31] people that are coming through right
[17:33] then we can afford it they're not going
[17:35] to just come to us but they're they're
[17:38] always usually happy to drop in if
[17:40] they're on the road
[17:43] so come I I guess I was wondering did
[17:46] anybody work on that how long in advance
[17:49] do they usually know that would be
[17:51] August or who who organizes that
[17:55] yeah
[17:57] it's the travel Council
[17:59] the summer free concerts
[18:02] that's the city right yeah it's done in
[18:05] the city all this uh the travel Council
[18:07] just pays for it huh
[18:11] okay never mind I I at first we paid for
[18:14] it all
[18:15] so
[18:17] I mean to me it seems like the only ones
[18:19] you wouldn't want it to overlap with is
[18:21] the half marathon right or anything
[18:23] that's going to impact the river skinny
[18:26] Tire does not go out well they actually
[18:27] use the Loop Road they do one day on the
[18:30] loop road
[18:33] I mean they do go early I remember but
[18:36] do they do it don't they do it uh do
[18:37] they do a clockwise then and they hit
[18:39] their River Road first
[18:40] I honestly don't remember to me that's
[18:42] the smart way to do it I I did that one
[18:45] year and they did it counterclockwise
[18:46] but then I think that was an anomaly but
[18:48] I can't recall but they do you're right
[18:51] they do do it early so it seems like the
[18:53] only one would be the half marathon and
[18:54] now you wouldn't want anything
[18:56] [Music]
[18:57] so we're talking about the Constitution
[19:00] the concerts yeah so actually I mean it
[19:03] occurs to me those are mainly in the
[19:04] next quarter so maybe we should just
[19:06] lump them with the next quarter yeah
[19:07] sure
[19:14] considering some of the events in this
[19:16] quarter I think it is worth pointing out
[19:18] like candyland's half marathon and
[19:20] anything yeah but I think it might be an
[19:22] additional dates in the next quarter
[19:23] that yeah maybe they should
[19:25] so make that like a condition yeah I
[19:29] don't like a blackout date kind of a
[19:30] thing I don't know if we'd have to
[19:32] prevent it during the half marathon
[19:34] actually because they they're not the
[19:36] events aren't going to uh coincide with
[19:40] each other they're going to be a total
[19:41] different times and it might be a lovely
[19:44] thing for people who are visiting the
[19:46] town to buy a ticket and go to a concert
[19:50] but I thought one of our concerns was
[19:52] not to have a lot of High attendance
[19:53] events landing on the same weekend that
[19:56] seems like one of our main jobs
[19:57] yeah I know 750 is a high number and
[20:00] half marathon is an even higher numbers
[20:02] so although I wouldn't I would expect
[20:04] there'd be a lot of crossover I would
[20:05] just add the numbers up and call it yeah
[20:07] and I I think 750 is very very aspirated
[20:11] right I would be very interested to see
[20:13] what actually happened you know the the
[20:16] half marathon used to be a lottery that
[20:18] was cool it's closed off the 5 000 yeah
[20:20] that that event's gone way down so the
[20:23] reality is like
[20:25] I guess all of it's you know less than
[20:27] it used to be yeah it used to be captive
[20:30] yeah I remember it comes right by my
[20:31] house at the end it was yeah absolutely
[20:33] huge
[20:35] foreign
[20:36] but I think the shadow question is a
[20:38] great question because that impact is
[20:40] way smaller on the road if there's still
[20:43] shuttles well also do you know what time
[20:45] they're planning on staging the concerts
[20:46] like whether if it's a weekend with you
[20:47] in the afternoon which might coincide
[20:49] with some of the runners or what was it
[20:50] more like in the evening usually in the
[20:52] evening
[20:53] around seven or so when they normally do
[20:55] them maybe a little bit earlier
[21:02] and like Rachel was saying with the
[21:05] conditions for days
[21:07] I haven't worked at the logistics and
[21:10] the site plan but I don't see why you
[21:12] couldn't do a condition of
[21:15] I think that is great it looks like 6
[21:18] p.m or 7 P.M has been what they've been
[21:20] doing this summer
[21:22] also if 750 is purely aspirational
[21:25] perhaps we just have a condition that we
[21:26] cap it at 400 or something more
[21:28] reasonable
[21:33] sex yeah that would be easily managed
[21:41] often do you get 750 at your event I
[21:44] mean we got at most 500. do you really
[21:49] yeah I look like was almost 500. yeah
[21:52] so like with shuttles I mean it's
[21:54] actually pretty minimal in fact
[21:58] there and they decide to have a couple
[22:00] of drinks yeah yeah
[22:03] and
[22:05] the Shadows seem to work pretty well for
[22:07] the music festival it seems like they're
[22:10] pretty full I've used I've gone on them
[22:12] sometimes and other times we've decided
[22:14] we wanted to go out to
[22:17] you know Fisher Towers and hang out for
[22:19] a minute after the concert so well that
[22:22] seems like a really great way to
[22:23] minimize the impact on the locals living out
[22:28] and also good for the environment
[22:31] Al condition and then would the
[22:34] condition be a certain percentage of the
[22:35] attendees have to take a shuttle no
[22:38] just just that they offered shuttles
[22:41] yeah it's hard to enforce yeah
[22:47] um well Kevin had previously
[22:50] I said we should probably talk about
[22:52] this in the next thing okay
[22:56] um
[22:58] so so look at looking this
[23:00] a little bit closer I guess we there are
[23:02] also two running events that are wanting
[23:04] to do the same exactly the same date
[23:06] yeah the Moab rocks is a mountain biking
[23:11] and then
[23:13] say yeah okay where does the ultra stage
[23:16] the behind the Rocks Ultra in San Juan
[23:18] County I was to the stage back where the
[23:20] old you know 24-hour race course was
[23:22] back they've probably only used five
[23:24] miles of Trail they barely come into the
[23:26] county and it's only one of their
[23:27] distance race the long distance one does
[23:30] most of them stay in Tampa and remind me
[23:32] of the Moab rocks what uh areas that
[23:34] uses they use Klondike gloves they do
[23:38] magic and whole enchiladas do they just
[23:41] do LPS down or UPS yeah they have to go
[23:43] up they start a town and they go all the
[23:44] way up to the top of LPS they come back
[23:46] from town they write my example so those
[23:48] two events are pretty they're they're
[23:50] great they're very separate yeah they're
[23:52] all North
[23:53] but
[23:55] I don't know I feel pretty good about
[23:58] the events in the early part of the year
[24:00] that's generally not like the most crazy
[24:02] packed time of town where we're getting
[24:04] a lot of like sound noise complaints so
[24:08] and it looks like every single one of
[24:09] these events except for the uh run the
[24:11] Rocks is a more of a less a Legacy Event
[24:13] right
[24:14] which ones yeah they all have long as
[24:19] his one well the music ones are yeah
[24:21] there's two new events
[24:24] so do we do we need yet another
[24:27] early in the year running events
[24:28] inspired
[24:30] Ernie packed with those
[24:33] yes it is that's kind of the preseason
[24:35] weekend
[24:36] yeah I mean I think if there's nothing
[24:38] else competing
[24:41] what are ideas every every so ultimately
[24:44] every single weekend has a large event
[24:48] I think that
[24:50] a large event
[24:58] in a large event that is athletic
[25:03] you know and most of these aren't
[25:05] motorized
[25:07] fills or motel rooms with people that
[25:09] aren't going to be
[25:11] running loud machines
[25:13] yeah yeah
[25:23] okay well I I could feel comfortable
[25:26] with going through that book but with
[25:27] the understanding that as we you know
[25:30] refine our criteria for events you know
[25:32] just because an event has been run one
[25:34] to five years in the past doesn't mean
[25:36] that there's prison you know we might
[25:38] later decide that hey you know we need
[25:40] more music events and fewer running
[25:41] events and something
[25:42] I think as long as we're willing to
[25:45] not tell people that once once they get
[25:48] approved they're they're in you know
[25:50] they continue to improve unless they
[25:51] really mess up badly yeah
[26:00] all right so are we basically uh
[26:03] checking off events one through eight on
[26:06] our sheet then
[26:08] uh Jeep safaris now I think we're gonna
[26:10] adjust that for the next
[26:13] with the music event uh I guess it's
[26:15] still unresolved whether there would be
[26:17] blackout dates to avoid conflicts right
[26:19] so we can look at that in the next
[26:21] quarter and see what events it might
[26:24] conflict with I guess
[26:26] and one thing I would
[26:29] remind everybody I'm sure it wouldn't
[26:31] maybe it wouldn't be often but
[26:34] especially the first go through of this
[26:37] it is possible along with the conditions
[26:40] that you have a condition that instead
[26:42] of the special event advisory committee
[26:45] doing the final approval that the
[26:48] complete applications come back to all
[26:50] of you to approve or deny so if there's
[26:53] ones
[26:54] um that there are questions around I
[26:57] don't know that it would
[26:59] cause any damage to say you guys want
[27:02] final approval versus the committee
[27:04] something to think about
[27:08] yeah and looking at the redness events
[27:10] this year I mean one was the same day as
[27:13] the Street Fest and one is the same day
[27:15] as one of the days of the Folk Fest and
[27:17] so we already kind of have some examples
[27:19] of course whether those were conflict
[27:21] with the city you're saying Josie or
[27:23] whether it's you know just too many
[27:25] things happening at once my I mean my
[27:27] hunch for these is that that hasn't
[27:29] really been the case but just here
[27:45] are we all right yeah
[27:47] so should we move on to the second
[27:49] quarter
[27:51] so second quarter I'm going to start
[27:53] with this list
[27:55] night which is just sorry in on the
[27:57] agenda summary which is number 10 Jeep
[28:00] Safari I am I already went through this
[28:03] a little bit but I'll revisit it um
[28:05] dates are March 31st through April 9th
[28:08] I'm 750 total daily attendance motorized
[28:13] have been on trails and with an expo at
[28:17] osta and BLM permit allows up to 50
[28:21] vehicles per Trail they do stay below
[28:24] their threshold with 25 to 40 vehicles
[28:27] per Trail depending on what trail it is
[28:31] um we have 58 years of History a good
[28:33] standing and if
[28:36] that's what I have for them
[28:40] I can tell you more
[28:43] um my questions revolve sort of around
[28:46] these sub events and how they interact with that yeah
[28:51] and touch on those
[28:54] um as a group
[28:55] okay separately do you want me to go
[28:57] over to this now no I'll just wait with
[28:58] that I guess yeah I was really
[29:00] interested in the separate events too
[29:01] should we look at the events
[29:04] separate is it is it truly separate or
[29:06] should we look at it like not really
[29:08] kind of sort of the way the intent to
[29:10] apply is I'm in the requirements they
[29:14] are separate because they have srps
[29:17] um but it's not additional people at the
[29:20] event it's still the same number of
[29:22] people they're just doing something
[29:24] separate on their own SRP so and it's
[29:28] they're private they're all private
[29:29] right what's SRP
[29:32] a special Recreation permit issued by
[29:34] the special Recreation permit issued by
[29:36] the BLM okay so it's because they have
[29:39] different permits yeah so when you're
[29:40] looking at these numbers here these
[29:42] numbers are tucked into the 750 of the
[29:43] Jeeps
[29:45] so they're not additional they're still
[29:47] the 750.
[29:50] and if they're not new this is something
[29:52] that's been going on for the same amount
[29:55] of time period they're just being
[29:56] brought to light now because of the
[29:59] changes for sure but presumably they're
[30:02] not not all of them have been going on
[30:03] for 58 years but but you're saying oh
[30:06] things are things very similar to this
[30:08] typically every year have been going on
[30:10] with the Jeep support
[30:11] what are they
[30:13] um it depends on which one so I could
[30:16] touch on a couple of them real quick so
[30:18] like number nine which is the FCA that's
[30:21] GMC Chevrolet Jeep what they do is they
[30:24] take some of their vendors and customers
[30:26] out like let's just call them Elites
[30:29] they go out on trail runs they get demos
[30:32] maybe they get to do a sponsor Trail
[30:34] things along those lines all the groups
[30:36] are small I think the biggest one as far
[30:39] as attendance is at a hundred but they
[30:43] usually range between 30 to 40 people
[30:45] that they pick
[30:47] so is it like a lottery
[30:49] not really like a lottery
[30:53] so like these these proofs like um superwinch they come in with like two
[31:01] to three semis with staff and they have
[31:04] some of them have 20 to 30 staff that
[31:06] come in for the vendor show so they'll
[31:09] take it they say it's like Wednesday
[31:10] because they'll pick a trail and they
[31:12] take their whole staff out and they go
[31:13] out on a trail ride oh okay
[31:16] and that's just one example another
[31:18] maybe maybe they have new lockers that
[31:21] they're gonna demo or new tires or
[31:25] um something along those lines but
[31:26] they'll take their a group of customers
[31:29] out or their employees or their sponsors
[31:33] not on a trail
[31:35] so I'm comfortable lumping those all
[31:37] together with the Jeep Safari to me it
[31:39] just seems like a part of a normal Jeep
[31:41] Safari account yeah that answered my
[31:42] question pretty well too I I tend to
[31:44] agree with
[31:45] I mean do any of those events stand out
[31:48] from that and
[31:49] they're all kind of the same
[31:51] I would say they're all the same they're
[31:53] all businesses all doing the same thing
[31:56] there's not
[31:58] anything that would
[32:00] not be business related
[32:02] but for the special events back end does
[32:04] it make sense for them to file separate
[32:07] applications not that we would need to
[32:09] approve them but just like for life
[32:11] for insurance purposes because I know
[32:14] the Red Rock four-wheelers they're not
[32:16] going to be under the Red Rock
[32:17] four-wheelers Insurance they're going to
[32:18] be under their own business
[32:20] Insurance when it's also adding kind of
[32:22] Trail time to the county in general if
[32:24] they each have their own trail rides
[32:27] also going on I think it's helpful
[32:30] information to kind of understand the
[32:32] cumulative impact yeah and they follow
[32:35] the Jeep safaris uh Roots their course
[32:38] mapped they they have a pretty
[32:40] organized trail map and they follow that
[32:43] so they know what trails are available
[32:45] at Walmart
[32:47] uh-huh all right just to weigh in on
[32:49] that guys I think it's really important
[32:51] to permit these separately the applicant
[32:54] is different the trail rides are
[32:57] different these are commercial uses
[33:00] um BLM does Define commercial use as
[33:03] compensation exchanged including in a
[33:06] workplace environment so an employee
[33:08] gets a trail ride as a benefit that's
[33:10] compensation paid
[33:13] um
[33:14] the BLM is permitting these separately
[33:16] so I do think in terms of our saturation
[33:18] analysis and all that
[33:21] um you know we should be thinking of
[33:23] them as part of Jeep Safari but also
[33:25] different so
[33:27] and you can also talk to you but these
[33:29] types of
[33:31] um separate but related events are
[33:33] becoming more popular so I do expect
[33:35] that we're going to see a lot more of
[33:37] this associated with our bigger
[33:39] motorized events
[33:42] like an event within an event kind of
[33:44] yeah
[33:49] I don't think that there's like no extra
[33:52] impact because there are maybe some of
[33:54] the same participants because like I
[33:55] said it's Jeep Safari is a certain
[33:57] number of Trail
[33:58] breads that are permitted
[34:00] but then this is on top of that and so
[34:03] that's more
[34:04] vehicles in the desert and trails that
[34:07] are conflicting with other users at the
[34:09] same time
[34:10] I'm not sure how to like pick them apart
[34:12] or if I'm prepared to do that right now
[34:14] but I just think it's something like
[34:15] yeah we should evaluate these separately
[34:19] and
[34:22] yeah there is an extra impact because
[34:24] there are more events
[34:26] and I think as far as evaluating them
[34:29] separately just as far as insurance and
[34:32] liability purposes but as far as
[34:36] an actual event it's still the same
[34:39] event so you could kind of look at it
[34:40] both ways but they definitely I think
[34:42] need to be applied separately for the
[34:45] same reasons Christina just said but as
[34:47] far as looking at them it's still the
[34:49] same event it's not like you're gonna
[34:52] see anything different
[34:54] happening you're not going to see a
[34:56] different type of party happening over
[34:57] here during Tuesday
[35:00] that's not anything I think anybody
[35:01] would notice
[35:02] could I'm just putting this out there
[35:05] could it be processed in a way where
[35:08] they do have to provide all those things
[35:11] they have to get approval but the main
[35:14] event sponsor also has to sign off on
[35:17] something saying yes we've we confirmed
[35:21] these are part of our events
[35:24] participate that we don't take on legal
[35:27] responsibility taxes any of that for
[35:30] them but we are also recognizing that
[35:33] they are a component of our environment
[35:35] yeah because I think also easy to do for
[35:37] the purposes of like continued
[35:38] evaluation and actually sort of grading
[35:41] events after they happen I mean it would
[35:43] be good to
[35:44] have Jeep Safari kind of own these sub
[35:47] events as far as reflecting on their
[35:48] overall application just to kind of make
[35:51] sure everybody's
[35:52] holding to a similar standard
[35:57] so what that looks like
[36:00] um having them proceed with the permit
[36:03] and having that
[36:04] go through approval or denial but also
[36:08] coming up with some kind of condition
[36:09] for the Jeep Safari event
[36:14] um to say to sign off or to provide
[36:16] something or would well they're they're
[36:20] different legal entities so I think you
[36:22] know a Jeep Safari organization is going
[36:24] to be reluctant to sign on to something
[36:26] with too much red tape I do think it's
[36:28] important that jeep Safari is confirming
[36:30] for us that these are their vendors and
[36:33] these are events that um you know their
[36:36] participants are including in but I
[36:37] think they can do that by email and they
[36:39] can just object if anything isn't
[36:41] associated with cheap Safari in an
[36:43] informal way without building a lot of
[36:45] red tape around it
[36:47] just like validating like if I was to
[36:49] send an email saying these five
[36:53] companies are applying for
[36:55] um
[36:56] applications saying that they are coming
[36:59] for the Easter Jeep Safari can you
[37:01] please validate
[37:03] yeah and likewise could we also have
[37:06] those say five
[37:09] sub-event companies signs saying we are
[37:13] while we don't you know we aren't under
[37:15] Easter Jeep Safari we are a piece of
[37:19] that so that if they come in and they
[37:21] end up doing something completely
[37:22] different
[37:26] but it could be for a review of what you
[37:29] said you were part of this we would have
[37:31] uh potentially evaluated it a little
[37:34] differently because you would have been
[37:36] completely separate
[37:40] well if we're permitting them I don't
[37:43] think we need I mean we can evaluate
[37:45] that we that can be part of our post
[37:46] event evaluation period right I mean I
[37:48] would assume the narrative that they're
[37:49] submitting is going to tie them to Jeep
[37:51] Safari we're going to go through the
[37:53] permit process with them and then if
[37:55] there's
[37:56] um you know some violation there of any
[37:58] sort we would deal with it in our
[38:01] hopefully much more expanded post-event
[38:04] evaluation process
[38:10] what do you think Mallory does that do
[38:12] you have concerns that aren't being
[38:13] addressed by that no I just am probably
[38:16] overthinking it and I'm wondering if in
[38:19] the application we could just build in
[38:22] an easy question on both ends of do you
[38:25] have any do you anticipate any sub event
[38:29] companies being tied to this it doesn't
[38:33] you know commit them to anything it's
[38:35] just that heads up
[38:37] um validation and likewise other people
[38:40] the question could be or are you
[38:43] like a sub event to a larger one if so
[38:47] what about
[38:48] just for capturing that information is
[38:51] in a post-evaluation it might be hard if
[38:54] we don't know officially that yes these
[38:57] were tied together under this event
[39:00] am I overthinking that
[39:04] we haven't really gotten to see how the
[39:06] narratives are going to work I guess and
[39:08] so it's possible that the narratives
[39:09] would capture it it's possible that they
[39:11] won't
[39:12] but I got I got I love extra questions
[39:15] so I got no problem asking questions in
[39:17] an application
[39:19] ask um you know in the application for
[39:22] the event narrative end of a side note
[39:25] of
[39:26] you know these are all of the things you
[39:29] should include yeah and failure to do so
[39:32] could
[39:33] result in denial
[39:36] I think people would want to it's just
[39:39] making sure it's clear this is where you
[39:42] provide that information
[39:43] I don't I don't think it's going to be
[39:45] that big of a deal just having
[39:48] the Red Rock four-wheelers validating
[39:50] these vendors I could tell you right now
[39:52] like all of these vendors are at the
[39:54] vendor show
[39:55] I think I know they are
[39:58] and maybe the conversation where I'm
[40:00] coming from is just looking at it as not
[40:02] specific
[40:05] from any other event yeah
[40:07] didn't we in general if we've got an
[40:09] event that has these kind of sub events
[40:11] we just it's up to the main event
[40:14] applicant to say hey when you approve us
[40:16] we will hope you'll also improve and
[40:17] they list all the sub events and other
[40:20] and if they don't do that then we just
[40:22] treat them as separate events we might
[40:23] approve someone not others because we
[40:25] weren't informed that they were all
[40:26] related you know it seems like that's a
[40:29] general policy that too all
[40:31] too often that the event holder would
[40:33] know if there's a sub of it happening
[40:35] yeah it's almost like an endorsement but if they don't know or if they don't
[40:39] care I mean maybe somebody doesn't like
[40:42] these you know
[40:43] you break events that attached like
[40:45] lampreys
[40:46] um
[40:47] so
[40:49] but but I just I mean what I was
[40:52] assuming initially is that you know
[40:54] these were sort of considered an
[40:55] integral part of the Jeep Safari it
[40:57] would be kind of awkward if we approved
[40:59] the chief Safari but not some of these
[41:01] sub events and so I was inclined to
[41:04] do it all as a package but but if
[41:05] instead it's true that the SE if I would
[41:08] just assumed that they you know these
[41:09] things not be there the tape don't think
[41:11] it adds anything to an event then they I
[41:12] think we should treat them as separate
[41:13] events
[41:15] um
[41:19] so this brings up um
[41:21] a perfect example with
[41:23] Bob
[41:25] is
[41:28] over their time period and
[41:31] they may be in the situation where they
[41:34] could possibly be having some events but
[41:36] this be something that you would want to
[41:38] know in the intent to apply or could it
[41:40] happen in the application process
[41:43] all right
[41:46] I just have a question so I'm
[41:51] so the Jeep Safari is is the perimeter
[41:55] person that permits
[41:58] and
[41:59] so part of the permit is this is listed
[42:02] these are listed on the permit that
[42:05] these other the wheels Wheel Pros the
[42:08] aeb those are all listed in the event or
[42:12] the application senders correct yeah so
[42:16] I'm
[42:17] I thought not just to BLM but to us as
[42:19] well the
[42:21] my impression is know that the reason
[42:23] that they're separate on our list is
[42:24] because they're separate so far as the
[42:25] BLM is concerned each of them has their
[42:27] own independent as a special Recreation
[42:30] permit yeah but uh are are they under
[42:34] Safari as a vendor but not as a event
[42:37] organizer okay so they're they're under
[42:42] Jeep Safari for their vendoring part but
[42:45] separate from their vendoring part
[42:47] they're taking their okay I got it now
[42:49] so in the intent to apply and to
[42:52] workflow it will have something do you
[42:54] have any vendors and if it's yes then it
[42:57] will go to okay what are those vendors
[43:00] you know you might not have all of the
[43:02] details in terms of their tax ID numbers
[43:05] yada yada so we could just say do you
[43:09] have any vendors if things like
[43:11] or even do you have any vendors or sub
[43:13] events like click yes then it's just
[43:16] saying okay which ones yeah
[43:18] it kind of captures that without tying
[43:21] anybody to anything it's just another
[43:24] you know area we could capture that
[43:26] information so we know if they're tied
[43:28] together yeah and I I think that it's
[43:31] good information to have and sure we
[43:34] should help get on the application but I
[43:36] also think that given that they're just
[43:39] they're in town they're vendors they're
[43:41] trying to then
[43:42] use their position and their influence
[43:45] or whatever to make their own events we
[43:47] should definitely evaluate them as their
[43:49] own effects do we have pretty um like
[43:52] explicit
[43:53] uh confirmation that their rides are
[43:55] sort of more friends and family kind of
[43:57] rides rather than
[43:59] English about they say
[44:02] um what they're doing that it's a
[44:05] it's for their Quan says creation and
[44:07] customer tours one says I'm just for
[44:12] employees
[44:14] um secret traveler they say employees so
[44:17] they listed out what they're doing
[44:18] yeah because I mean I think it's worth
[44:22] extra scrutiny here especially because
[44:24] this is a very large motorized event but
[44:25] something that came up in the last
[44:26] special events meeting was kind of uh an
[44:29] analogous situation with something like
[44:30] outer bike where there might be
[44:33] um like trail rides with employees of a
[44:35] specific vendor and you know whether we
[44:37] treat that the same way is that the same
[44:39] thing you know what's our
[44:41] kind of broader philosophy here
[44:47] well I think Sarah you said evaluate and
[44:51] that made me think of I've got a huge
[44:53] part of this the post about evaluation
[44:55] so yeah if we have this way to evaluate
[44:59] from our referral agencies you know
[45:03] various people involved that's important
[45:05] but if we knew that there were some
[45:07] events we could have the main event
[45:10] you know have some questions in theirs
[45:13] about if they have any negative issues
[45:15] with any of their some events so given
[45:19] that we have limited time I'm just
[45:20] wondering if we should move on from this
[45:22] topic yeah
[45:29] in these sub events
[45:31] this isn't even all of them
[45:35] like all of the vendors like we don't
[45:37] know what all the other vendors are
[45:38] doing so these are only the ones with
[45:39] srps and so our vendors two weeks since
[45:43] I sent out the email to 500 people these
[45:46] are the ones that are
[45:48] reciprocating and applying
[45:50] and so Jeep Safari has kind of a limited
[45:53] number of trail rides that they are
[45:55] allowed like a kind of quota and then
[45:58] these are an addition
[45:59] to that or these will be the same Trails
[46:02] right but additional uh reps on those
[46:05] yeah so like say
[46:08] let's just use fins and things as an
[46:10] example so suspense and thinks the trial
[46:13] leaves at eight o'clock in the morning
[46:15] they they leave then maybe super winch
[46:20] wants to start it and run it at 1
[46:22] o'clock
[46:23] so they'll run it up one right so I I do
[46:26] agree with Kevin that we should probably
[46:27] move on to get to the rest of the list
[46:29] but I do think this is we have to kind
[46:31] of put a pin in this because it is
[46:33] this kind of added impact to that if we
[46:35] just kind of go oh it's just part of
[46:36] this then we're not really cataloging
[46:39] that property and this could come back
[46:41] to like a condition to something that
[46:43] you see again so this was just an intent
[46:45] to apply that we're being I'm presented
[46:48] with right now but when it comes to the
[46:50] application process then we would get
[46:52] into okay what's your course map what
[46:54] are you doing what day what are you
[46:56] doing on what types right and that's
[46:58] what we would get more of those detailed
[47:01] information and maybe it also sounds
[47:02] like the kind of thing that the BLM
[47:04] presumably is thinking about so I don't
[47:06] know that it makes sense for us to
[47:08] think about who's scheduled and which
[47:10] drills when
[47:11] right independently of what the vln is
[47:14] doing so would we want to but we
[47:15] condition a cap that's part of the
[47:17] application process
[47:19] as far as what courses they're on not what types right
[47:27] yeah and especially knowing that we
[47:28] don't have the full list of vendors
[47:29] doing these activities I mean it would
[47:32] be good to have kind of a cap or a
[47:34] general sense of
[47:35] limitation
[47:38] yeah I guess like looking at big picture
[47:40] and like okay if Jeep Safari we Clump in
[47:43] all of these events and sub-events
[47:46] that's better than spreading out
[47:48] motorized events on every single weekend
[47:50] on all of those trails
[47:52] so I don't know
[47:54] I mean I
[47:55] need to move on yeah
[47:57] keep going yeah let's get uh what's the
[48:00] next one was number 15.
[48:11] it's not on the agenda oh because it was
[48:14] considered a low impact event
[48:17] okay so that one needs to be crossed off
[48:20] so we don't we're not worried about
[48:21] number 15. on this list you'll be
[48:24] jumping to number 16. looks pretty
[48:27] interesting yeah yeah so
[48:35] um
[48:39] Green River dirt bike rally it's a
[48:42] motorized and Expo event the dates are
[48:45] April 13th through 15th the total daily
[48:48] attendance is
[48:50] 430. I'm this event is primarily
[48:55] centralized in Green River the reason
[48:58] why they're applying for a Grand County
[49:00] permit is because
[49:02] 15 people so 15 motorcycles and we'll be
[49:07] doing a trail in Grand County in the
[49:10] whitewash
[49:11] um sand dunes area this this that trail
[49:15] is more of what you would consider like
[49:18] expert level it's a harder course so
[49:20] that's why only 15 of those motorcycles
[49:23] will be going onto that trail minimal
[49:26] attendance I'm Motors Motors will be
[49:29] trailered and I'm tracked to the
[49:32] trailhead and as far as history there's
[49:35] been no SAR extractions or anything
[49:39] um that promotes concern history wise as
[49:43] far as this so that attendance number
[49:45] that doesn't reflect the number of
[49:46] people in Grand County because it's it's
[49:49] well yeah it's centralized a Green River
[49:52] that Excel all of that will be happening
[49:54] in Green River the only thing that's
[49:55] entering Grand county is the one-day
[49:58] trail that will be happening with the
[50:00] 15th right and did I see that the
[50:02] promoter was actually the city of Green
[50:04] River yeah
[50:06] and I feel like it's not our place our
[50:07] place to deny their regular event for 50
[50:10] for physicals
[50:13] so not Five Guys with those 15 people so
[50:15] each guide has three people
[50:19] what was the name
[50:22] uh it's the way at the white Washington
[50:23] open OHV area right
[50:26] yeah
[50:30] okay yeah and did
[50:32] um did Green County search and rescues
[50:34] sign off on this or they just gave
[50:37] details from past events Aaron and he
[50:39] sent me a heat map and I asked them I
[50:41] said are there any specific events that
[50:43] you're concerned about and the only one
[50:45] he mentioned was the base jumping event
[50:47] that happened okay
[50:48] um but he told me that the answer to
[50:50] that question was super complicated but
[50:52] I just looked at the mat this morning
[50:54] and most of the stuff that happens
[50:56] involved Chiefs and ATVs honestly gosh
[50:59] right but very specific yeah
[51:03] when I think that uh yeah that follow-up
[51:06] again like continuing to you know if if
[51:08] this event happens assessing what
[51:11] happened on the um kind of safety and
[51:14] um
[51:16] extractions like the reason they don't
[51:18] call search and rescue as much is
[51:20] because they have the capacity to take
[51:22] care of the situation with rise which is
[51:24] probably true of this event again all of
[51:26] the guides are not wolf or certified but
[51:29] they all have CPR first aid life support
[51:32] and that's something
[51:34] going through the process if the intent
[51:36] to apply is approved
[51:38] it would then be approved by the final
[51:41] application would be approved by this
[51:43] special event advisory committee who
[51:46] would need
[51:47] search and rescue to sign off and
[51:50] provide any conditions
[51:54] any other questions on the dirt bike
[51:56] rally
[51:57] no
[51:58] okay so number 16 which is 17 so now
[52:03] we're our number they're getting we're
[52:04] one off on this sheet I'm 16 on the
[52:08] agenda is amnesty Trail raise athletic
[52:10] competitions April 15 total daily
[52:13] attendance is 310. it's a running event
[52:17] using amnesty back area 13 years of
[52:20] History good standing and the ITA was
[52:23] approved by uh
[52:27] is that a local uh promoter
[52:30] it is okay
[52:37] I'm assuming the staging happens out
[52:39] there
[52:44] I mean what I've heard from like
[52:47] different members of the community
[52:48] especially about that specific spot
[52:51] like a mossback parking lot it's just
[52:54] that it's
[52:55] madness out there especially on these
[52:58] big weekends in April when also there's
[53:00] a ton of tourists and
[53:03] so I don't know if there's a different
[53:04] place where they could stage
[53:06] something like that
[53:09] um
[53:16] yeah okay yeah
[53:23] right but now so you'd run up to the
[53:26] lower Trail along the creek now
[53:28] okay so this is perhaps the different
[53:30] race I was hearing about
[53:35] I've also participated in this one but a
[53:38] few it's been a few years but I I mean I
[53:40] share your concern about
[53:42] you know this kind of craziness and I do
[53:44] think we already have lots of running
[53:45] events and I think we should be a little
[53:47] more selective or just think about
[53:49] posting conditions I don't know if this
[53:51] is the one that's I I yeah I would say I
[53:54] mean it's it's on April 15th which is a
[53:56] Saturday and it's literally about the
[53:57] busiest time of the year for for bike
[53:59] rentals and such I'm also backs one of
[54:01] the very busiest trailheads in the areas
[54:03] that that is going to be a bit of a
[54:05] cluster
[54:14] and be out of there right yes
[54:18] but
[54:20] that that place is just Madness all the
[54:22] time yeah
[54:23] other than like January yeah but also
[54:27] offer the suggestion of using the
[54:29] shuttle yeah that's what I was thinking
[54:31] this is the stage at the middle school
[54:32] or the elementary school or something
[54:34] yeah it is yeah
[54:39] foreign
[54:48] packet pickup was actually out of the
[54:51] trailhead last fall and so there was it
[54:54] was literally like two days of just
[54:56] massive interference instead of just one
[54:58] so if a pack of pickup could be a town
[55:00] that would make a huge difference too
[55:01] and last year did they say it was
[55:03] because of covet and they had to do I
[55:06] remember but that was uh that was uh so
[55:08] the 15th was a is a Wednesday
[55:11] it's a Saturday yeah
[55:13] I'm looking at April am I on the wrong
[55:16] month so oh maybe you know I'm on the
[55:18] wrong mode so that's the other 15 . yes
[55:20] Saturday I'm sorry yeah
[55:24] and that's that's the weekend traffic
[55:26] gets
[55:27] blows up yeah it's really big
[55:31] but anyway yeah I like suggesting that
[55:34] the shuttle and at least making sure
[55:35] that
[55:36] pickup and staging is
[55:41] um yeah I mean yeah when you look back
[55:43] at this race I can't remember how it's
[55:45] been around for a long time and yeah it
[55:47] was back in the day when there weren't
[55:49] many people out there
[55:52] so
[55:54] yeah I think to make sure those are yeah
[55:59] those are good good questions for this
[56:00] one I think
[56:03] everyone okay number 17 on the agenda is
[56:07] Cruz Moab Rising Sun it's a motorized
[56:11] um expo at osta with campy the dates are
[56:15] April 17th through the 22nd total daily
[56:18] attendance is 555. they have 25 years of
[56:22] history and good standing
[56:25] um
[56:26] they limit their registration to 250
[56:29] vehicles that also includes their
[56:31] vendors they require their vendors to
[56:33] register and then they only allow 20
[56:36] rigs per trials
[56:38] and that's a date
[56:42] so it's off-road vehicles I I honestly
[56:45] can't recall Cruz Moab it's Toyota oh
[56:48] it's Toyota okay interesting gotcha
[56:54] so it's similar to it's like a mini Jeep
[56:56] Safari but using Toyotas instead of
[56:57] jeepers okay gotcha and they uh limit
[57:00] the number of people on the trail yeah
[57:02] and the number of vehicles
[57:08] yeah they're at their Max of what they
[57:10] want to be and I just spoke to him this
[57:12] morning he's
[57:13] they're as big as they want to get
[57:21] okay so moving on number 18 is Grand
[57:24] Circle Trail Fizz Fest this is a new
[57:26] event
[57:28] um it's an athletic running event with
[57:30] Expos at OSA and camping the dates will
[57:33] be April 26th through the 30th total
[57:36] daily attendance will be 700. I'm
[57:39] running an event using Pritchett at
[57:41] Hunter Canyon King Springs
[57:44] um BS Boy Scouts base camp Gemini
[57:47] Bridges and porcupine Ram trails
[57:51] so this is kind of like Jeep Safari for
[57:53] runners right right they've been really
[57:55] excited about this event they tried
[57:57] doing it over the past couple years but
[57:59] with coven it kept pushing things out
[58:02] um so but it's like all-inclusive they
[58:03] kind of the campus yeah they do like
[58:05] food trucks or something out there yep
[58:07] food camping the Excel will be there
[58:10] they'll be leaving from do they have
[58:12] shuttles themselves to the trailheads
[58:13] too so that you can park and leave your
[58:15] car and then just take a shuttle to the
[58:16] Run
[58:18] Frozen really miserable trail run hard
[58:22] ones anyway
[58:25] um where are they from
[58:28] I'm
[58:30] uh it's throwing me up I want to say he
[58:32] is out of Colorado
[58:34] if I remember right right
[58:37] I think they come out of Colorado
[58:42] of all the running events so far this is
[58:45] the one I'm like well it hasn't happened
[58:46] yet and
[58:48] the applications says Washington Utah
[58:51] right
[58:53] ah
[58:54] Craig's done it was like I think when I
[58:58] first met them it was right before covet
[59:00] hit so it's been a couple years since
[59:02] I've seen him in person we've been
[59:04] trying to get this one off the ground
[59:06] for a while
[59:07] right it's a bit of a different Paradigm
[59:09] than the other events
[59:15] for better words okay we're halfway done
[59:17] through our time try to get through the
[59:19] list so number 19 building me on
[59:22] um Festival dates are April 26th through
[59:24] the 30th total daily attendance 500
[59:26] private property with additional use
[59:29] permit music and sustainability Festival
[59:32] 12 years of history with good standing
[59:34] they're over near Green River yeah right
[59:36] now it's like just barely on the ground
[59:37] yeah
[59:39] have you uh is anyone I'm sure you've
[59:43] been in the first year yeah it's been a
[59:44] while but I wouldn't expect that um
[59:46] there would be a lot of spill over in a
[59:47] Moab or is that no I think a lot of
[59:49] people from Moab just go up there but I
[59:51] don't think anybody I want to know
[59:52] what's happening no never mind it's
[59:55] actually I mean there's like a lot of
[59:56] permaculture projects oh okay I mean
[59:59] there is like also all night music and
[1:00:00] things yeah it's a pretty but it's out
[1:00:03] in the desert today it's the northeast
[1:00:04] of Green River right I'd say it's mostly
[1:00:06] good
[1:00:07] now that Evans attended this event
[1:00:10] Building Man Evans
[1:00:21] okay so now we're going
[1:00:23] May attempts I we have number 20 this
[1:00:27] biker belly this is actually two events
[1:00:29] in back to back weekends the first date
[1:00:32] is uh May 4th through May 6 and then May
[1:00:37] 11th through the 13th total daily
[1:00:40] attendance is 98 per weekend and this is
[1:00:43] a gravel mountain bike event using
[1:00:45] Kokopelli trail from Fruita to Moab
[1:00:48] fully supported event with food staff
[1:00:51] medical
[1:00:52] um over 20 years of good history study
[1:00:56] and I I there's a disclosure I've
[1:00:58] provided shuttles to this event in the
[1:00:59] past from from my business and uh it's
[1:01:02] um they've been great to work with and
[1:01:04] they're mostly in the back country they
[1:01:06] only come into mob on the very last day
[1:01:07] and then we actually shuttle them right
[1:01:09] out so
[1:01:11] anyway it says they have zero years
[1:01:14] it's the first time they've applied for
[1:01:15] a permit okay
[1:01:18] and this is also an event that starts in
[1:01:21] Colorado and then it comes into
[1:01:24] right yeah
[1:01:27] oh that's a long bike
[1:01:29] um
[1:01:30] number 21 is Bronco Safari this is a
[1:01:34] motorized expo at osta and on the trails
[1:01:37] dates are May 2nd through May 6th total
[1:01:41] daily attendance is 335 people with 175
[1:01:45] of those people being registered
[1:01:47] vehicles
[1:01:49] um 12 years of good standing history
[1:01:52] this event is mostly more like
[1:01:58] I don't want to call them antique but
[1:02:01] um vehicles that are the Vintage Broncos
[1:02:04] like the Vintage yeah that's right yeah
[1:02:07] um they are becoming more popular with
[1:02:08] the release of the new Broncos that are
[1:02:10] joining the clubs that are clubs growing
[1:02:13] um and they're seeing that but
[1:02:15] um
[1:02:16] I'm still more of a expensive
[1:02:20] yeah right
[1:02:22] so you said there's 335 people but how
[1:02:25] many vehicles
[1:02:30] and how many are do they allow on a
[1:02:33] trail
[1:02:35] you know I didn't get break down all
[1:02:37] those specifics but BLM caps there's at
[1:02:41] 50. so there's there's never going to be
[1:02:43] any more than 50 and I that's
[1:02:46] I could confirm this and get back to you
[1:02:48] I think that's just a cheap Safari
[1:02:50] number I think BLM likes to keep it
[1:02:52] closer to 35
[1:02:53] . and this is this is just a one day
[1:02:54] event
[1:02:55] no she said too no it's the second
[1:02:57] through the sixth yeah it's on our paper
[1:02:59] it's just it's that Friday which is the
[1:03:04] fifth that's when they'll have their
[1:03:06] Expo they call it a show and shine at
[1:03:08] osta I'll be at the Pavilion Pavilion so
[1:03:10] they don't do right on Friday
[1:03:13] I'm sorry I said that again they don't
[1:03:14] do they Don't Ride do Trails on Fridays
[1:03:17] or Saturday trails and then they meet at
[1:03:19] osta for a dinner and what they call a
[1:03:22] show and shine they just kind of show
[1:03:24] their their cars off
[1:03:26] a little small Expo there's a couple
[1:03:29] vendors there not many
[1:03:34] [Music]
[1:03:36] um number 22 is the grand Bondo in Moab
[1:03:40] um athletic competition May 6 total
[1:03:44] daily attendance of 625. it's a road
[1:03:46] bike event using the Loop Road nine
[1:03:49] years of History good standings
[1:03:57] number 23 is Raptors on the Rocks this
[1:04:01] is a motorized event with an expo at
[1:04:03] osta with light camping
[1:04:06] um dates are May 11th through the 14th
[1:04:08] total daily attendance is 125.
[1:04:12] um history is usually about 40
[1:04:14] registered trucks and they're in good
[1:04:17] standing good history
[1:04:21] number 24 is the Colorado to Utah
[1:04:25] athletic competition
[1:04:27] um gravel bike event using the cliff
[1:04:29] area roads May 13th total daily
[1:04:32] attendance is 560. they're going to
[1:04:34] start in fruta and ride the Book Cliffs
[1:04:37] and back only some of the writers are
[1:04:40] doing that not the full 560.
[1:04:43] so most of it's in Colorado yeah most of
[1:04:45] us in Colorado this event does require
[1:04:49] um Grant County Sheriff Office for
[1:04:51] security due to the oil fields
[1:04:55] number 25 is Jeep Jamboree it's a
[1:04:58] motorized event dates are May 18th
[1:05:01] through the 20th total daily attendance
[1:05:04] is 250 and they do have additional dates
[1:05:07] they have one other event in October
[1:05:10] um they have 25 years of history for
[1:05:13] their fall events and they're in good
[1:05:14] standing history
[1:05:17] so they only have they have this is
[1:05:19] their first spring event this will
[1:05:21] actually be their seconds
[1:05:25] how many vehicles did you say
[1:05:27] 250. that's vehicles or people that's
[1:05:30] going to be vehicles
[1:05:33] okay so this one
[1:05:34] most of these numbers on in the column
[1:05:37] are people but this one's vehicles
[1:05:42] I feel like I'm contradicting myself a
[1:05:44] little bit with that
[1:05:46] um
[1:05:49] yeah because if I split this one in half
[1:05:51] I would have to look at their October
[1:05:53] one to give you an honest answer on that
[1:05:55] one because I know in their October one
[1:05:57] is bigger and that one's closer to 300
[1:05:59] vehicles but he didn't expect his spring
[1:06:01] one to be as big okay yeah and I think
[1:06:04] moving forward for the ITA process we
[1:06:06] definitely need a separate vehicle count
[1:06:07] yeah and on his ITA for under his total
[1:06:11] attention
[1:06:14] um I could get that I know I could make
[1:06:16] a quick phone call on how that wrapped
[1:06:17] up for you before
[1:06:19] so for all the other motorized events
[1:06:21] we're talking people and not yes
[1:06:24] Angie I have a question about that oil
[1:06:27] field security which event was that who
[1:06:30] determined
[1:06:31] that was the Colorado to Utah
[1:06:34] who determines oil fields needs security
[1:06:37] no that came from
[1:06:39] sheriffs they requested
[1:06:41] past one
[1:06:43] um during the SEC review
[1:06:46] huh okay interesting I'll talk with them
[1:06:48] about it thanks ah
[1:06:51] so so I looked at the application on
[1:06:53] their application dead used to say
[1:06:55] between 200 and 225 or 50 people yeah
[1:06:58] that was the total and I know he was
[1:07:01] um
[1:07:01] planning for the spring
[1:07:04] so that's probably accurate but I can't
[1:07:05] get that confirmed I know I could get a
[1:07:07] hold of them
[1:07:11] um number 26 the Willies rally it's
[1:07:14] motorized exhibit
[1:07:16] um May 19th the 21st total daily
[1:07:18] attendance is a hundred and mostly
[1:07:21] exhibits with a few short Trail runs
[1:07:23] stage and exhibit at Red Cliffs Lodge
[1:07:26] and these all the Vintage Willy's Jeeps
[1:07:28] that like the World War II era Jeeps
[1:07:30] right right yeah people are not driving
[1:07:34] alone yeah cool
[1:07:38] um
[1:07:38] Don Moab is a motorized event with a
[1:07:42] dinner um they're probably running the
[1:07:45] Pavilion with like camping May 21st to
[1:07:48] the 26th total daily attendance is 145
[1:07:51] people 70 Vehicles they have 22 years of
[1:07:55] History
[1:07:57] is there anything that sets them apart
[1:07:58] are they what what do they do just Trail
[1:08:00] runs also or their Nissan oh okay gotcha
[1:08:05] right right so it's all it's all kind of
[1:08:06] branded and then now we are going into June
[1:08:13] attempt to applies number 28 is the
[1:08:15] candyland's PRCA Rodeo
[1:08:18] the barrels for books always determined
[1:08:21] to be a low impact of that yeah okay
[1:08:22] that was pulled off
[1:08:30] so number 20 on the agenda is
[1:08:33] Canyonlands PRCA Rodeo it's at athletic
[1:08:36] livestock competition event at osta the
[1:08:39] dates are June 2nd through June 4th
[1:08:42] total daily attendance is in the ten
[1:08:46] thousand fifty plus range
[1:08:49] um one thousand or ten one thousand
[1:08:51] sorry
[1:08:58] had a moment
[1:09:01] that would be an impressive Rodeo
[1:09:05] um there is a county resolution in place
[1:09:08] um 73 years of History American standing
[1:09:15] um number 29 is the Moab Music Festival
[1:09:18] high water this is a 10-day total event
[1:09:23] and Josie I'm hoping that you could help
[1:09:26] with this I went back and forth on it on
[1:09:28] how to present it I am I have on the
[1:09:30] application June 9th through 12th which
[1:09:33] is the four days of music but it's
[1:09:35] actually a 10 day event
[1:09:39] um in their 60s
[1:09:41] the other 60s are proposed part of a
[1:09:44] guided river trip yeah and I think
[1:09:48] um and this might be something for the
[1:09:50] special events coordinator and
[1:09:52] Department in general is like how we
[1:09:54] treat something like a river trip
[1:09:55] because that's got its kind of own
[1:09:58] um
[1:09:59] you know Universe going on so I don't
[1:10:01] know
[1:10:02] if that's something that we need to
[1:10:03] permit but I also should recuse myself
[1:10:06] from this coffee station right now
[1:10:09] because it's separate so the actual
[1:10:11] intent is for four days but the event is
[1:10:15] for 10 days
[1:10:17] so four days
[1:10:19] it's essentially two weekends
[1:10:23] same people
[1:10:25] uh yes 100 to 300 sorry I did not say that
[1:10:29] so it's missing only me is it
[1:10:35] concert goers and the musicians or is it
[1:10:39] just for them
[1:10:41] the numbers you mean oh the numbers are
[1:10:43] the concert goers we don't have 300
[1:10:45] musicians
[1:10:47] but I also I don't think that it's
[1:10:49] appropriate for me to like talk as a
[1:10:51] representative of the music festival in
[1:10:53] this context
[1:10:58] any questions okay
[1:11:00] um number 30 Desert Rats Kokopelli 150
[1:11:03] it's athletic event June 19th through
[1:11:06] the 24th total daily attendance is 60.
[1:11:10] um running event using the Kokopelli
[1:11:12] Trail 20 years of History this event
[1:11:15] with the dates um and the trial they do
[1:11:18] require a physical for registration
[1:11:24] that is all of them
[1:11:29] all right yeah thanks Angie
[1:11:33] I'm
[1:11:35] so I'll get that one answer for you
[1:11:37] before but would you like me to present
[1:11:39] it the same way
[1:11:41] or
[1:11:42] I do we need to go through
[1:11:46] I don't think we need to go through each
[1:11:48] we could we could in the commission when
[1:11:50] we do the um when we actually what's the
[1:11:53] Most accountants I'm sorry what uh Mary
[1:11:56] was asking how we or if we didn't we
[1:11:59] don't need to present them each
[1:12:01] individually when the agenda item comes
[1:12:03] up during no no I mean I think we should
[1:12:05] figure out it figure out do most of the
[1:12:08] heavy lifting right now and then we can
[1:12:09] just blanket say we're going to approve
[1:12:11] like say one through nine okay I just
[1:12:13] want to make sure I understood that what
[1:12:14] you guys how you guys wanted me to do
[1:12:16] that
[1:12:20] so now we need to get down into the
[1:12:21] nitty-gritty of which events so um next year
[1:12:30] these will be the blue ones just winter
[1:12:34] ones I guess you could call it would be
[1:12:36] presented a porter yes maybe yeah they'd
[1:12:39] be they'd be so back for summer during
[1:12:41] the Spring and the fall right correct
[1:12:43] we're always there always three months
[1:12:45] ahead yeah okay six months six months
[1:12:47] I'm sorry six months had already
[1:12:51] all right so someone you had an idea
[1:12:52] about how you wanted to so again I think
[1:12:54] it makes sense to unless you know some
[1:12:57] of these events have been going on for a
[1:12:59] large number of years like 10 or 12 or
[1:13:00] more
[1:13:02] um you know I think with those
[1:13:03] presumptively they're okay unless
[1:13:05] someone wants to single one out to say
[1:13:07] we shouldn't approve it and then
[1:13:09] conversely the the others that are brand
[1:13:12] new or have only been going for a year
[1:13:14] or two right you know they're I think
[1:13:16] kind of the burden of we should look at
[1:13:17] those closely and see is that you know
[1:13:20] adding something that we don't already
[1:13:21] have from the existing
[1:13:23] events so okay do you want to go through
[1:13:25] and and
[1:13:27] check off a few that yeah I mean so
[1:13:30] Easter Jeep Safari obviously has been
[1:13:32] going on for a while yeah and I I mean
[1:13:34] going going back to that conversation
[1:13:35] about the sub events I mean I just think
[1:13:38] of it as one big love but I mean I I
[1:13:41] think you know we know what the Jeep
[1:13:42] Safari is like we know you know it's a
[1:13:45] well-known thing of impact so unless
[1:13:46] they're proposing some kind of change
[1:13:48] I would just tend to approve all of
[1:13:51] those things together
[1:13:52] um you know maybe next year we yeah I I
[1:13:55] I'd agree with you on that I think
[1:13:56] that's a good idea and then maybe do it
[1:13:57] do a shift in how they get like if they
[1:13:59] get approved Under the Umbrella of this
[1:14:03] but but maybe go going forwards for next
[1:14:05] year's Jeep so far we could get into
[1:14:06] touch with BLM early you know ask them
[1:14:09] you're just what's the whole landscape
[1:14:10] of these sub events you know really yeah
[1:14:12] Associated special Recreation permits
[1:14:15] right and then ask them what the trend
[1:14:16] is is this something that's getting a
[1:14:18] lot bigger than it used to you know yeah
[1:14:20] if we're approving the troops of art
[1:14:21] based on impacts we remember over the
[1:14:23] past five years is what's being proposed
[1:14:25] for this year the same as that or is it
[1:14:27] significantly larger because of these
[1:14:29] sub events I think that's the question
[1:14:30] we want to answer yeah that sounds like
[1:14:33] a good idea
[1:14:35] um
[1:14:36] so the next going down the next one that
[1:14:39] you know is a brand new event is a
[1:14:41] screen River dirt bike rally yep but it
[1:14:43] sounded like our consensus is almost
[1:14:45] entirely outside of Grand County yeah it
[1:14:48] sounds like it's outside of Grant County
[1:14:49] it's put on by the city of Green River I
[1:14:51] just have a small small event inside
[1:14:53] Grant County at the far Fringe of the
[1:14:55] county the adrenaline Seekers right it
[1:14:59] doesn't doesn't
[1:15:00] bring any alarm bills
[1:15:04] um and then the next one the yamasa
[1:15:06] trail race we discussed some potential
[1:15:08] Traditions there right yeah I think we I
[1:15:11] mean I figured with this Trish it was
[1:15:13] suggested that maybe we should suggest a
[1:15:15] condition that none of the staging
[1:15:25] utilize shuttles that'd be great also
[1:15:29] and also figure out what you know the
[1:15:30] earlier the better as far as that goes
[1:15:32] out
[1:15:32] yeah I do remember I think I ran maybe
[1:15:35] it was eight years ago and I I forgot to
[1:15:36] mention set a course record for you know
[1:15:38] someone over 40 but um
[1:15:44] barely broken mine
[1:15:51] it was it was a soft record I think
[1:15:56] it was a pretty soft record
[1:15:59] um but when I was there yeah it didn't
[1:16:00] seem crowded I mean yes it occupied the
[1:16:02] whole parking lot I don't remember a lot
[1:16:04] of other uses and users going through
[1:16:06] there it seemed like it got done
[1:16:07] relatively early in the morning but on
[1:16:10] the other things have changed on a mass
[1:16:12] effect the new trails that have been
[1:16:13] built out there have made that an
[1:16:14] immensely popular mountain biking area
[1:16:16] plus you even have like the base jumping
[1:16:18] crowd out there frequently and other
[1:16:32] hmm
[1:16:34] okay okay so so we're just gonna just
[1:16:38] gonna ask them so Angie asks them
[1:16:45] well I'll pack a pickup and yeah
[1:16:49] are you taking notes
[1:16:57] uh Chris know what we're up to
[1:17:00] um
[1:17:01] right well I guess I was just doing the
[1:17:03] ones that are relatively oh right right
[1:17:05] unless someone has an older event that
[1:17:08] they want to flag
[1:17:10] um so the next newish event is um Trail
[1:17:12] Fest Trail Fest which is like a new
[1:17:14] running event
[1:17:16] fairly large attendance
[1:17:18] I don't I I'm
[1:17:21] I feel like it hasn't happened yet and
[1:17:23] we've been talking about how many Trail
[1:17:25] events
[1:17:26] we have and if we want to x a running
[1:17:28] event this is the one I would do it's at
[1:17:30] like peak season
[1:17:32] it's across the whole week
[1:17:34] it's people aren't staying in hotels
[1:17:36] they're all camping you think
[1:17:42] oh it's out of County facility what it's being hosted out of County facility
[1:17:49] it is bringing money into the county in
[1:17:52] terms of those to rent right uh Angie is
[1:17:54] that what you're
[1:17:55] referring to yeah I think so see I'm I'm
[1:17:58] always
[1:18:00] looking at uh
[1:18:04] you know if these people are in town
[1:18:06] they're less noisy uh recreationalists
[1:18:10] don't have as much choice
[1:18:12] yeah I don't know if we're going to
[1:18:14] solve our crowding problem just by
[1:18:16] stuffing the hotels as full as we can
[1:18:23] skeptical of that strategy
[1:18:25] um and I sort of agree with Sarah that
[1:18:27] and I mean I I like running events you
[1:18:30] know as as evidence by the past item but
[1:18:33] you know we've got a ton of them already
[1:18:35] most of them
[1:18:40] um
[1:18:45] yeah we've got a lot of them I think the
[1:18:48] ones you know especially you know
[1:18:50] utilizing the trails that are closest to
[1:18:51] town which are also where people go I
[1:18:53] want to go hiking or mountain bike
[1:18:54] riding you know just have you know going
[1:18:56] on a hike and that coincides on the day
[1:18:58] where there's like uh several hundred
[1:18:59] people doing a trail race that's not so
[1:19:01] great I mean so I think they're
[1:19:02] preempting a lot of people so I think
[1:19:05] this is a new event
[1:19:06] to doing
[1:19:08] many of the trails seem closer to town
[1:19:10] if I'm remembering correctly
[1:19:13] um so I'm just not sure we need and and
[1:19:16] I I guess just sort of a more General
[1:19:17] comment is I think the point of this
[1:19:19] process we know from past experience
[1:19:22] that we have trouble saying no if we're
[1:19:23] just presented with one event at a time
[1:19:25] and doing it this way allows us to look
[1:19:27] at the whole spectrum of events that
[1:19:29] we're seeing and what I'm seeing here is
[1:19:31] that April is really crowded and we got
[1:19:33] lots of other running events so it's not
[1:19:34] like having one more is going to add to
[1:19:36] a variety
[1:19:38] so
[1:19:39] just just I pulled up the the trails are
[1:19:42] gonna be on the Pritchard Arch 100
[1:19:43] Canyon Loop Trail King Springs Road uh
[1:19:46] the Boy Scout base camp I guess that's
[1:19:49] out in uh it's a Bull Canyon Raider I
[1:19:51] think Gemini road yet
[1:19:52] um Gemini Bridges Trail and porcupine
[1:19:54] Road
[1:20:01] well Hunter Canyon single attractive
[1:20:03] yeah nice enough Trail right now right
[1:20:08] it just got blown out
[1:20:11] I think it's worth noting it seems like
[1:20:13] first quarter is very running heavy
[1:20:16] second quarter is very like motorized
[1:20:18] vehicle heavy so in general I I know the
[1:20:22] discussion is towards more event
[1:20:23] diversification and
[1:20:27] um I'm not sure if the way to do that is
[1:20:29] to like single out preemptively a single
[1:20:31] event though I understand what's being
[1:20:33] said but I I think my larger question is
[1:20:35] how are we starting to
[1:20:39] court that diversity in events or do we
[1:20:42] want to decide as a body that we want
[1:20:44] certain times of the year that have no
[1:20:46] events which it seems like that again is
[1:20:48] a larger
[1:20:49] conversation that's not about a single
[1:20:51] event
[1:20:52] it's also a little bit self-regulating
[1:20:54] winter obviously doesn't have too many
[1:20:56] events in the middle of summer is
[1:20:57] usually pretty pretty light also
[1:21:00] no it's yeah I mean I wasn't meaning to
[1:21:02] single to mount up but I guess I was
[1:21:04] putting out the idea that if it's a new
[1:21:06] event there's like a heavy burden of
[1:21:08] proof on them and I think you know if
[1:21:10] it's mostly not in Grant County we can
[1:21:12] say yeah
[1:21:13] some kind of a you know event Maybe
[1:21:16] music or something that we don't have a
[1:21:17] whole lot of but that's the reason to
[1:21:18] say yes but if it's but I think we've
[1:21:20] already got lots of running events we've
[1:21:22] got lots of biking events we've got lots
[1:21:23] of motorized events and so I don't feel
[1:21:25] enthusiastic about adding still more of
[1:21:28] them unless there's some good reason to
[1:21:29] do it now Angie's offered the reason
[1:21:30] that we'll get some fees at osta that's
[1:21:35] um but I don't
[1:21:37] to me I don't know that that by itself
[1:21:39] is persuasive
[1:21:41] do you mind if I ask Angie what kind of
[1:21:43] uh like what are we talking about as far
[1:21:45] as an event like this bringing in uh
[1:21:47] financially
[1:21:49] happening and these numbers were
[1:21:54] 12 to 17 000.
[1:21:57] I think we need to be careful I mean
[1:22:00] I've asked August that question he says
[1:22:01] we have no metric by which to evaluate
[1:22:04] the economic impact of special events
[1:22:06] right now
[1:22:09] I
[1:22:17] am going off yeah right right like I
[1:22:20] don't have everything that they're ready
[1:22:22] figured out that hasn't been somewhere
[1:22:24] in that range they're they're running
[1:22:26] the full facility so it depends on how
[1:22:29] that breaks down plus camping
[1:22:32] configuring 700 people at 30 a night for
[1:22:37] um for a week
[1:22:39] it's gonna add up my inner crisp kicks
[1:22:43] in here I have remembering that we are
[1:22:47] like it doesn't it's a community
[1:22:49] facility so it's not Revenue driven
[1:22:52] right yeah it's more
[1:22:53] [Music]
[1:22:55] but it helps us stay out
[1:22:57] of calculus get closer to Black
[1:23:00] yeah I do Wonder Kevin is
[1:23:03] if you were to talk to these organizers
[1:23:05] and say have you considered Trails like
[1:23:08] we think about stuff that's a little bit
[1:23:10] farther it's hard for me to pick places
[1:23:12] in the county now that are a little bit
[1:23:15] out but I think about
[1:23:17] like that you know top of the world that
[1:23:20] area do you know what I mean stuff that would they be willing to consider
[1:23:25] stuff a little bit farther
[1:23:27] I mean I think there'll be a small
[1:23:28] Improvement but I I just feel like
[1:23:30] there's already quite a bit of
[1:23:31] commercialization of yeah non-motorized
[1:23:34] Trails but these foot races and I I love
[1:23:38] foot races you know I like to do it but
[1:23:40] I don't like them
[1:23:42] you know over 15 times a year that just
[1:23:45] seems like too much to me and so I think
[1:23:48] you know if we're gonna ever I mean
[1:23:51] you know we could just say yes to every
[1:23:52] event which would seem kind of silly
[1:23:54] after all the work we've gone through to
[1:23:56] spray this process but if this this
[1:23:58] seems like a candidate for a no to me
[1:24:01] I I think if any running event would be
[1:24:03] a candidate for that it would be this I
[1:24:05] will say as a as a business person I
[1:24:07] love the running events even though I
[1:24:08] ran a bike shop because there's this
[1:24:10] spill over to different things that so
[1:24:12] many times people would stick around and
[1:24:14] they they'd spend a ton of money in town
[1:24:15] renting bikes going on tours just eating
[1:24:18] out and stuff like that so it's it's
[1:24:19] pretty pretty nice for the business
[1:24:22] community
[1:24:24] and they're low they are low impact
[1:24:26] they're generally very pleasant blue
[1:24:29] yeah I think low impact more kind of
[1:24:31] what you're looking for
[1:24:33] uh visitors what should we move on
[1:24:36] through the list and sure come back to
[1:24:38] it yeah
[1:24:39] uh Trail Fest uh building man that's
[1:24:42] more of a Legacy Event I guess or yeah I
[1:24:44] was okay it's also far from moabs
[1:24:48] it's helping out Grant yeah uh
[1:24:52] where's uh I would say biker pulley is
[1:24:55] also a Legacy Event it just hadn't
[1:24:57] applied for a permit here right I know
[1:25:00] he's been doing that for for at least 20
[1:25:03] years yeah 12 years I was gonna say okay
[1:25:05] and it's for the most part it takes
[1:25:06] place it's mostly out in the yeah out
[1:25:09] speaking out like West Water Area and
[1:25:11] down through uh yeah
[1:25:13] do we
[1:25:15] adapters on the Rocks is that that's so
[1:25:18] that's a relatively new event
[1:25:20] here third year okay and this is this is
[1:25:22] Ford Raptors it's like it's a so it's
[1:25:24] again it's like a yes
[1:25:26] I also don't want to rule out talking
[1:25:28] about
[1:25:29] um the Bronco Club
[1:25:31] okay as it is
[1:25:34] in a long lineup of motorized events
[1:25:37] every other weekend and it's huge
[1:25:40] and it's the youngest one of those
[1:25:43] motorized events yeah
[1:25:47] like it follows Jeep Safari and cruise
[1:25:49] Moab
[1:25:51] right and Raptors and then Jamboree but
[1:25:56] I let's go through the other newer
[1:25:58] events motorized events in May and
[1:26:02] maybe look at that I just don't want to
[1:26:04] rule out yeah
[1:26:06] so where were we on rabbits on the Rocks
[1:26:08] right yeah yeah I mean I do I think
[1:26:11] we've we've got
[1:26:13] all the running events we need already I
[1:26:15] think that's also true for motorized
[1:26:16] events but I will say that um you know it's a lot
[1:26:22] quieter than like you know these
[1:26:23] full-sized Vehicles yeah not usually
[1:26:26] what people are complaining about that's
[1:26:27] worth keeping in mind the Raptors are
[1:26:29] all relatively new I think right so they
[1:26:31] have ostensibly I think they're have
[1:26:33] better sound suppression systems Etc so
[1:26:36] that maybe that leads me
[1:26:38] it's a Ford Raptor it's a it's a
[1:26:41] 50 yeah it's not
[1:26:43] a dinosaur
[1:26:47] burn status
[1:26:54] um
[1:26:55] but yeah it is only its third year and
[1:26:59] yeah I think also I mean just looking at
[1:27:02] the calendar I think it's helpful kind
[1:27:03] of noticing which events are like a
[1:27:06] single day like a running event that's a
[1:27:07] single day versus uh like a week-long
[1:27:10] motorized right because those feel like
[1:27:12] very different impacts yeah I agree yeah
[1:27:16] is so it was Raptors uh one also it's
[1:27:20] rappers or what are they yes they are
[1:27:23] okay
[1:27:26] this is just a thought you know we're
[1:27:28] saying that there's too many many
[1:27:30] motorized uh events in this time period
[1:27:33] I mean uh is it a possibility to uh some
[1:27:37] of these events to
[1:27:39] produce you know do their event more in
[1:27:42] our slower season even though it's hot
[1:27:44] they're inside uh air-conditioned
[1:27:47] vehicles
[1:27:49] I mean say you know this
[1:27:51] anyway as a path forward if they didn't
[1:27:54] if they wanted to move forward during
[1:27:56] the slow time of year might be off you
[1:28:00] know a possibility of asking them to do
[1:28:02] I I also wonder moving forward about the
[1:28:05] idea of
[1:28:07] creating like a maximum amount of event
[1:28:09] days per a single kind of type of event
[1:28:13] which would be a much more like sort of
[1:28:15] judicious non-specific way to sort of
[1:28:19] equalize some of these
[1:28:22] I don't know what the process looks like
[1:28:24] but I'm sorry could you say that again
[1:28:26] so like for instance running versus
[1:28:28] motorized versus I mean those seem to be
[1:28:30] the dominant ones so it's silly to limit
[1:28:33] other things yet because we just aren't
[1:28:35] flooded with them but to have you know a
[1:28:38] maximum per year per calendar year
[1:28:41] number of event days like you know that
[1:28:44] we are willing to approve as a body or
[1:28:46] for a particular event type yeah
[1:28:52] there's any consensus on Rapture on the
[1:28:54] rocks
[1:28:56] I think that's one I think we should
[1:28:58] look at this clump of motorized events
[1:29:00] and whole in May so that's one that
[1:29:03] could be cut you're talking Bronco Club
[1:29:05] wrapped around the Rocks Jeep Jamboree
[1:29:08] more or less rally gone Moab oh right
[1:29:11] yeah
[1:29:12] I mean there's a time you know five
[1:29:17] all lined up for me so I feel like we
[1:29:19] need to at least you know say I don't
[1:29:21] know about it with you
[1:29:25] um but as far as they go Raptors on the
[1:29:27] Rock it's only 40 Vehicles compared to
[1:29:29] some of the other bigger ones like
[1:29:31] Jamboree
[1:29:33] um he just texted me it's only they
[1:29:36] limit it at a hundred registered
[1:29:38] vehicles with 25 additional Vehicles
[1:29:41] being guided so it's 125 units we're
[1:29:45] talking big Jeep championships oh sorry
[1:29:48] I gave that so Japan
[1:29:51] the 250 was accurate yeah sorry people
[1:29:56] and then 250 people
[1:29:58] 40. yeah and uh 120
[1:30:02] five big difference
[1:30:05] yeah
[1:30:08] and then gone my opinion Vehicles were
[1:30:10] talking with that one
[1:30:15] but that one's been going on 22 years
[1:30:21] so it's harder for me because I know too
[1:30:23] I guess
[1:30:25] okay so maybe just skip skipping ahead
[1:30:27] and put postponing discussion on the
[1:30:30] clump of motorized events there's the
[1:30:32] right so there are a relatively new
[1:30:34] event there's a MOAB musical festival
[1:30:36] high water
[1:30:38] um
[1:30:39] I mean I think that is that is adding
[1:30:41] diversity I love those Music Festival
[1:30:44] events
[1:30:46] so there's the concerts in town or close
[1:30:50] to town
[1:30:51] um it's
[1:30:55] again it's okay
[1:30:59] oh is the concert the concert's not in
[1:31:01] the backcountry or is that or is it
[1:31:03] there are music box there are two I
[1:31:06] think that are happening in like city
[1:31:08] park or something like that and there's
[1:31:10] private property one in Old City Park
[1:31:12] one on private property I think they're
[1:31:14] trying to do it like a float trip with
[1:31:16] Canyonlands by night and then two music
[1:31:17] hikes yeah
[1:31:19] um and and I misspoke before it's not
[1:31:21] two weekends it's a long weekend long
[1:31:23] weekend okay and it's also it's also
[1:31:25] past our Prime season it's getting into
[1:31:26] the summer seasons when things slow down
[1:31:28] considerably until yeah this one is is
[1:31:29] later than last yeah and this year the
[1:31:32] sixth to the ninth yeah usually we'll
[1:31:33] get some carrier over the first week of
[1:31:35] June and then and then it drops off
[1:31:36] precipitously as far as visitation
[1:31:40] sounds great
[1:31:44] yeah so we're okay with that which is
[1:31:47] that what we decided I think so yeah
[1:31:50] unless you're not married well I I like
[1:31:52] the modern music festival it's been
[1:31:54] around yeah maybe this event hasn't been
[1:31:56] around but a lot of the music festival
[1:31:58] has been around a long time and maybe
[1:32:00] I'm I think they've run a real tight
[1:32:02] ship my life but I yeah and then we
[1:32:06] didn't we didn't talk the the Colorado
[1:32:08] to Utah gravel event that's kind of out
[1:32:11] north in the Book Cliffs area any
[1:32:13] opposition to that one
[1:32:17] and then similarly the last one is just
[1:32:20] Desert Rats races looks great
[1:32:23] that's very fairly new but it's probably
[1:32:26] a few participants on the Coca-Cola
[1:32:28] trails and for the most part not close
[1:32:29] to us yeah I was just going by the number in
[1:32:39] the table it seems like a horrible time
[1:32:41] of year to run the kokopilly trail no
[1:32:43] God wasn't scratched
[1:32:45] real early
[1:32:47] um so so what's so the unresolved thing
[1:32:50] so there's the uh betrayal Fest
[1:32:55] real fast and Jeep Jamboree seemed like
[1:32:58] two
[1:32:59] yeah
[1:33:01] so the Jeep Jamboree has been going on
[1:33:03] in the fall for a long time and now they
[1:33:05] want to expand to the spring as well is
[1:33:07] that that's what we're looking at one in
[1:33:08] the spring before
[1:33:11] would like to do it again this is the
[1:33:13] williest rally in any way associated
[1:33:15] with the Jeep chamber yeah yeah okay
[1:33:16] totally separate yeah
[1:33:21] um I think we say no to the Jeep
[1:33:23] Jamboree they already have a entire week
[1:33:26] in the fall that they've been doing it
[1:33:28] for a long time
[1:33:30] it's a relatively large event 125
[1:33:33] vehicles
[1:33:39] I think
[1:33:42] organized but it's ordered by organized
[1:33:45] by Jeep oh it's not it's cheap it's not
[1:33:48] a little bit
[1:33:55] and like you said they still so this
[1:33:56] year they'll be applying for a fall time
[1:33:58] slot also yes not cover okay I'm also I
[1:34:03] mean Willie's rallies about the new
[1:34:04] event
[1:34:06] it's been happening for a while and
[1:34:09] Willie's is very seriously doubt there's
[1:34:11] more than 20 of the vehicles actually
[1:34:12] leaving the property because these
[1:34:14] things are old
[1:34:16] they're definitely vintage and they're not going to be vehicles that
[1:34:20] have any type of speed any type of it's more like a car show car show yeah that's right and when they're they
[1:34:28] do have motorized Trails but their
[1:34:29] trails are going to be
[1:34:33] yeah they're not
[1:34:36] and it's going to be 70 year old
[1:34:38] Vehicles out there kind of puttering
[1:34:39] around right
[1:34:42] they're probably going to be trailered
[1:34:43] yeah yeah you'd assume
[1:34:46] um
[1:34:47] I mean does anyone feel strongly that
[1:34:49] Jeep Jamboree should not
[1:34:52] be asked
[1:34:54] what I mean I tend to I just think we've
[1:34:56] got limited capacity and we've we've got
[1:34:58] a lot of motorized events in this time
[1:35:01] period that that are already established
[1:35:03] that's three weeks in a row of motorized
[1:35:06] events it's not not a local promoter
[1:35:13] other than you know and they would still
[1:35:15] have the other week they'd have the
[1:35:17] weekend maybe if we if we will yeah
[1:35:20] maybe
[1:35:22] so so far we've been saying yes to all a
[1:35:25] step you know long-established events
[1:35:27] yeah
[1:35:30] because people really do start to plan
[1:35:33] their vacations
[1:35:34] absolutely
[1:35:37] I think a fall in the spring
[1:35:40] is nice I don't know if we need to
[1:35:41] double down on deep events in the spring
[1:35:45] yeah
[1:35:51] I mean that still leaves even if we if
[1:35:53] we delete Willy's rally you know it's so
[1:35:56] leaves Utah Bronco Club Raptors on the
[1:35:58] Rock Jeep Jamboree and gone Moab
[1:36:01] all in May is that is that one every
[1:36:04] weekend basically
[1:36:09] yeah
[1:36:10] every single weekend in May yeah
[1:36:14] those I mean some of these are are not
[1:36:16] huge
[1:36:17] right away yeah especially Raptors on
[1:36:19] the Rocks it's pretty pretty small so I
[1:36:21] think that it's worth keeping that in
[1:36:22] mind
[1:36:23] but I'm yeah I mean I support the I you
[1:36:28] know I think whenever we already have a
[1:36:30] lot of events at the same time at the
[1:36:32] same time of year
[1:36:33] when someone has to make a really strong
[1:36:35] case do we need to add yet another event
[1:36:37] like that and yeah I don't see what that
[1:36:39] is in this case
[1:36:40] and I I think for roughly similar events
[1:36:43] I'm not sure we need you know yet
[1:36:44] another Trail race we've got Bunches of
[1:36:46] them
[1:36:47] um
[1:36:48] so
[1:36:51] yeah it seems to me as far as like
[1:36:53] timing and how the how the spring is
[1:36:56] divvied up it would make the most sense
[1:36:58] to take the Utah Bronco Club out of
[1:37:00] there but they've been
[1:37:02] engaged in the county for a long time
[1:37:05] how long
[1:37:07] the Bronco Club oh that's the 12-year
[1:37:10] Mark can I just throw into consideration
[1:37:13] this is really going to open up the
[1:37:14] calendar a lot I mean this is a county
[1:37:18] entity that we're talking about so it's
[1:37:21] Revenue coming in
[1:37:23] to the county
[1:37:24] yeah for me it's important to fight for
[1:37:27] that yeah I mean I think it's important to fund Austin to
[1:37:31] also get Revenue as a county but I think
[1:37:34] it's important for us to
[1:37:35] listen to the biggest issue that people
[1:37:38] have talked to us about all the time
[1:37:40] which is the impact the noise impact and
[1:37:42] the kind of like busy growth of Moab and
[1:37:45] this is where we have a chance to try to decide the direction that we
[1:37:52] want to go
[1:37:55] I'm I'm uh
[1:37:58] sensitive to Angie's concerns as well uh
[1:38:02] not that I think that it should be a
[1:38:05] revenue generator that we can get every
[1:38:07] dollar
[1:38:08] that that shouldn't be our mandate is to
[1:38:11] make a bunch of money through osta but
[1:38:15] um I I like this process and I kind of
[1:38:18] think that
[1:38:19] uh getting something in place this year
[1:38:22] and then kind of dealing you know
[1:38:25] I'm kind of more in limiting the growth
[1:38:28] than trying to rewind and I know that
[1:38:32] that's not the same as where everyone
[1:38:34] else is but uh
[1:38:36] for what it's worth I'm sensitive to to
[1:38:39] wiping the post to calendar clean and
[1:38:43] I'm a little more
[1:38:46] comfortable with some of these
[1:38:48] long-standing ones continuing to operate and then just having us a
[1:38:54] place that's new applications
[1:38:57] just three years for sure but but that
[1:39:00] is more or less what we're doing I mean
[1:39:02] I I think the
[1:39:03] proposal on the table is all the events
[1:39:06] that have been operating in the past are
[1:39:08] getting approved and then there's two
[1:39:11] new applications that you know that
[1:39:13] we're some people have advocated for
[1:39:15] saying no to one was
[1:39:18] um
[1:39:18] Trail Festival yeah there's one running event in one Jeep event
[1:39:26] um so that sounds consistent with what
[1:39:28] you were well it sounded like we were
[1:39:30] starting to get into Broncos and Raptors
[1:39:32] oh yeah no I don't think anyone's I
[1:39:34] think they were just that was the
[1:39:36] context
[1:39:38] uh so so we're looking at probably
[1:39:41] eliminating one of the four kind of
[1:39:44] branded motorized events yeah the Jeep
[1:39:47] Jamboree and but it's not eliminating
[1:39:49] because it's a brand new application
[1:39:50] yeah right sort of sort of freezing sure
[1:39:52] that exists absolutely right both for
[1:39:55] the running events and for promoters I
[1:39:58] could see the Jeep Jamboree
[1:40:00] just because
[1:40:02] it's their second event of the year it's
[1:40:04] their second event of the year I'm okay
[1:40:06] with that one I was just I'm okay with
[1:40:08] that too yeah before we started piling
[1:40:10] yeah I'm nervous myself
[1:40:22] they've been trying to get this event to
[1:40:25] work since 2019. honestly I'm a bit of
[1:40:28] an advocate for trail Fest I think yeah
[1:40:29] it might be kind of cool the other thing
[1:40:31] I'd point out about it is that every
[1:40:33] other events are running a race whereas
[1:40:35] Trail Fest is is just Trail runs and
[1:40:37] there's actually a difference
[1:40:38] non-competitive right yeah it's gonna be
[1:40:41] Expo clinics
[1:40:43] um it's a full then just like group run but 700 that's a huge number
[1:40:47] of people just yeah I mean if this were
[1:40:50] a hundred percent instead of 750 I might
[1:40:52] say okay but could we ask them they're
[1:40:55] going to be camping at OSA too although
[1:40:57] it'll be self-contained what do you how
[1:41:00] honestly how many people you think will
[1:41:01] be camping like half an hour quarter of
[1:41:03] that I think they're going for everybody
[1:41:05] oh yeah okay so it'd be like one big so
[1:41:07] it's more like a festival for them yeah I mean I mean I think the more I
[1:41:13] learned about this event the less I like
[1:41:15] it I mean this it sounds like really
[1:41:17] large
[1:41:19] um it's you know over multiple days
[1:41:21] we've already got a lot of things like
[1:41:24] this
[1:41:25] um you know again I don't I don't think
[1:41:27] you know it just feels like
[1:41:30] commercializing the backcountry
[1:41:32] um
[1:41:33] would you be
[1:41:35] interested in it I know and this is
[1:41:37] tough because I I don't run anymore but
[1:41:40] I used to be a huge Trail Runner
[1:41:42] um if it was a different time of the
[1:41:44] year like if it was in February and I
[1:41:47] realized that but to me running here in
[1:41:49] February you can run here all year long
[1:41:51] so I don't know I'm just wondering would
[1:41:54] be a little bit more willing if we moved
[1:41:56] it to a different time of the year where
[1:41:58] it if it's the community a little bit
[1:42:00] more it benefits business is a little
[1:42:02] bit more
[1:42:03] does that make sense
[1:42:05] that they would be I mean if it were the
[1:42:08] only running event of the Year sure but
[1:42:10] we've already got lots of others
[1:42:12] and I think at some point we have to
[1:42:13] start saying no I mean although you know
[1:42:15] because you know the way crowding occurs
[1:42:18] it's not in gigantic blocks it occurs
[1:42:20] one little event at a time one little
[1:42:21] increase at a time right
[1:42:23] um and I think just the fact that was
[1:42:25] you know maybe these are very nice
[1:42:27] people maybe they've been trying to do
[1:42:28] this for a while but that's to me that's
[1:42:30] not sufficient I I think you just look
[1:42:32] at you know we've already got all these
[1:42:34] events that are established we're
[1:42:36] inclined to say yes to those
[1:42:38] given these things that are already on
[1:42:39] the calendar do we need another event
[1:42:41] like this
[1:42:42] would be the answer is no
[1:42:49] smaller attendance
[1:42:57] on these kind of events does a promoter
[1:42:59] need to hit obviously certain numbers to
[1:43:01] actually make it worth their while right
[1:43:03] yeah I have no idea do we know how to
[1:43:05] break even do we know how big the the
[1:43:08] runs are
[1:43:10] it better
[1:43:12] there's a website oh yeah like half my
[1:43:15] half marathons right I mean like how
[1:43:18] many people presumably everybody would
[1:43:20] run a single course yeah so they're advertising day one is Pritchard
[1:43:25] Arch and then seven messages
[1:43:29] well 700 over the debt time period
[1:43:33] 700 over the time period I that's total
[1:43:37] daily attention so it's not all the
[1:43:39] registered writers so not everybody's
[1:43:41] going to run every single race
[1:43:43] they're also advertising family
[1:43:45] activities right and stuff I kind of
[1:43:48] like most of the courses are on two
[1:43:50] tracks right it looks like um
[1:43:53] porcupine which
[1:43:55] in my mind I was wondering about user
[1:43:58] conflict is that Saturday which day is
[1:44:01] April 29th
[1:44:06] yeah that's not a good idea at all
[1:44:10] I don't know man I mean I just think
[1:44:12] it's at some point we have to start
[1:44:13] saying no
[1:44:14] um I mean I don't like a good we should
[1:44:16] turn around you know suppose we've you
[1:44:18] know we had only the old events and we
[1:44:20] were deciding we need to seek out some
[1:44:22] new events because we want a few more
[1:44:23] for various reasons is this the kind of
[1:44:24] event we would encourage someone to
[1:44:26] apply for I don't think so
[1:44:30] with this process if we had something
[1:44:33] where it was like oh we don't like the
[1:44:34] Saturday we don't like the number of
[1:44:37] racers would we kick that back to the
[1:44:39] applicant and kind of say would you like
[1:44:43] to try again and adjust X Y and Z it
[1:44:47] would be comfortable with next year
[1:44:48] there were less people and you didn't do
[1:44:50] uh part what was it porcupine it's just
[1:44:53] a Saturday porcupine room is it yeah I
[1:44:55] mean it's just a different Trail for
[1:44:56] Saturday
[1:44:58] I run in Monticello well I mean
[1:45:01] regardless of this particular one just
[1:45:04] you know in the application process if
[1:45:06] we find something that's a little like
[1:45:09] well it's like approving with conditions
[1:45:12] right yeah yeah and it can come back to
[1:45:14] us for final approval yeah for the same
[1:45:16] year
[1:45:19] but it wouldn't come back to us till
[1:45:21] near near yeah
[1:45:23] as a final package I mean they already
[1:45:25] have it advertised I don't want to do
[1:45:27] that I know but what I'm saying is
[1:45:45] um I have some mentioning specific
[1:45:47] Trails I also think the hunter Canyon
[1:45:50] Loop Trail is totally inappropriate for
[1:45:51] large groups so I don't see the hunter
[1:45:54] Canyon
[1:45:55] it's on their their application so is
[1:45:57] that okay but not on their website
[1:46:07] come down right so it turns into single
[1:46:09] attractive uh I I think that the side
[1:46:13] without knowing the specifics of the
[1:46:16] number of Runners it seems like an event
[1:46:19] that size in the backcountry on single
[1:46:21] track
[1:46:22] is probably not what we're after in
[1:46:25] April yeah
[1:46:31] I think it's not like we don't have
[1:46:33] enough special events you know we're not
[1:46:35] it's not our job to be nice to
[1:46:38] applicants I mean that's that's not what
[1:46:40] we're supposed to do here yeah so this
[1:46:43] company I mean it seems like it's the
[1:46:44] same
[1:46:49] it's just one of their Series yeah he
[1:46:50] has a series right okay but this isn't a
[1:46:53] local family no no
[1:46:55] Saint George or Washington County yeah
[1:46:57] okay yeah
[1:47:05] uh
[1:47:08] I don't
[1:47:10] so would we mix it kind of as is and
[1:47:13] they could take another shot or does it
[1:47:15] say don't even I mean
[1:47:17] because I
[1:47:19] think I think we could say that you know
[1:47:22] we feel like we're already on the scale
[1:47:24] of a year we're already set with running
[1:47:25] events if they wanted to do something up
[1:47:28] in the book lifts or something with you
[1:47:30] know a lot fewer people you know then
[1:47:33] they could try applying again for next
[1:47:34] year or something but
[1:47:36] um
[1:47:41] bloodshot
[1:47:44] again I think I'd be more apt to you
[1:47:47] know if you look at something like
[1:47:48] February
[1:47:49] but but then they couldn't camp out yeah
[1:47:55] I think the applicant is probably
[1:47:58] welcome to listen to this Workshop to
[1:48:00] understand why we denied them and could
[1:48:02] still apply in fall or in the future
[1:48:06] um I I also would note that moving
[1:48:09] forward we would be doing this process a
[1:48:11] lot earlier for
[1:48:13] okay
[1:48:25] so it's so it sounds so I guess based on
[1:48:28] the conversation so far I would propose
[1:48:30] that we
[1:48:31] approve all the ideas
[1:48:34] you know for the spring with the
[1:48:36] exception of
[1:48:38] this um it's a trail mix trail trail
[1:48:41] Fest that we're just talking about and
[1:48:44] the expansion and the new spring Jeep
[1:48:46] Jam to read which members of the press
[1:48:49] should be clear this is not the usual
[1:48:50] Jeep chamber weave which is in the fall
[1:48:52] which isn't going a long time this is
[1:48:55] a new one
[1:48:59] so we're saying yes to almost everything
[1:49:01] but not everything
[1:49:08] now so
[1:49:12] they won't have to go through this whole
[1:49:13] process too yeah okay that's all right
[1:49:18] now this is really that seems clean I
[1:49:21] still have a bit of a question mark what
[1:49:23] do we do with the two that
[1:49:25] it's just like denied in the story or is
[1:49:28] it a
[1:49:31] um can we just try again for this year
[1:49:32] or I I think we're a loss in special
[1:49:36] events and we don't need to go out of
[1:49:37] our way to connect with people but well
[1:49:40] the committee issue the findings
[1:49:45] you know thanks but no thanks because
[1:49:48] well I mean what they could ask Angie or
[1:49:51] Rachel you know why and you know they
[1:49:54] can listen to the tape of what we've
[1:49:55] been saying right now where they can ask
[1:49:57] staff that
[1:50:00] okay
[1:50:01] I mean I'm kind of with Quinn I don't
[1:50:02] want to say
[1:50:04] you do X Y and Z we would like it not
[1:50:08] that that's a great thing but it's kind
[1:50:10] of like if they start with a blank slate
[1:50:12] and just come back I mean but I I would
[1:50:16] say I don't know if this is a sense of
[1:50:17] the full commission but you know in
[1:50:19] these categories of both motorized
[1:50:22] events and running events we've already
[1:50:23] got quite a few so I think any new
[1:50:26] events you know there's got to be
[1:50:28] something special about them you know
[1:50:29] maybe they're very low impact because
[1:50:30] they're most being run out of Green
[1:50:32] River or Fruita or something like that
[1:50:34] or you know there's just something kind
[1:50:37] of unique and great about them but if
[1:50:39] it's just yet another event in those
[1:50:40] categories
[1:50:41] to me that's a tough thing to approve so
[1:50:44] that's why I like the idea of a cap on
[1:50:47] certain kinds of events because it's a
[1:50:48] little bit more of an objective metric
[1:50:51] so we're just like this is our cap and I
[1:50:54] think Kevin you've kind of mentioned
[1:50:55] this in the past too of like if this is
[1:50:56] our number and we've got this many
[1:50:58] applicants to fit into that number how
[1:51:00] do we how do we then you know Whittle it
[1:51:02] down to our ideal number
[1:51:04] um you know so maybe for three months
[1:51:07] from now when we do this again we might
[1:51:08] want to come up with some of those yeah
[1:51:11] we still need to make a decision about
[1:51:13] how to treat the Red Cliffs the very
[1:51:16] unclear application for their redcliff's
[1:51:18] concert series
[1:51:22] come on
[1:51:24] personally I I'm okay with uh
[1:51:30] I'm saying yes to it if they're going to
[1:51:32] provide a shot Shadow are you good with
[1:51:34] that Sarah yeah I'm happy with that as
[1:51:37] well
[1:51:40] needed okay sorry I guess we already did
[1:51:43] decide that music is cool I think we
[1:51:45] thought there might be more
[1:51:49] I got the only thing
[1:51:51] well if it's in the evening we talked
[1:51:53] about blackout dates right so there is
[1:51:55] there
[1:51:57] are roads which
[1:52:01] letting in the attendance as far as
[1:52:03] tickets
[1:52:04] I think in the end the shuttle should
[1:52:07] pretty much cover just shut up I think I
[1:52:11] think the event should take place in the
[1:52:12] afternoon after any of the yeah sporting
[1:52:14] events occur or we could just this year
[1:52:17] not not put precisions but just monitor
[1:52:19] it to see if it is causing problems
[1:52:24] really because they really appreciate
[1:52:27] the free concerts that's a big deal well
[1:52:30] and they've showcased local musicians
[1:52:31] this year as well in addition to
[1:52:33] Bringing people in so yeah
[1:52:35] kind of and this will still have to go
[1:52:39] through the special event advisory
[1:52:41] committee so we will still have the
[1:52:44] capacity here like you know in the room
[1:52:45] look at those dates that might be weird
[1:52:48] so maybe it could be approved also with
[1:52:51] giving that committee the ability to
[1:52:54] holistically look at the dates
[1:52:57] um
[1:52:58] maybe we can ask if it looks like some
[1:53:01] of their dates are going to coincide
[1:53:02] with busy times and you could
[1:53:05] raise a flag and bring it back up yeah
[1:53:09] before approving that date
[1:53:12] for
[1:53:19] so I think the motion is that to prove
[1:53:21] everything on the list with two
[1:53:23] exceptions and then there's some
[1:53:25] conditions on the yeah that music event
[1:53:28] and I think also back we also wanted
[1:53:32] them to avoid over utilizing that
[1:53:34] staging area okay so we need some kind
[1:53:37] of like
[1:53:38] appropriate ticket numbers like even if
[1:53:41] that's just like a vague kind of thing
[1:53:43] for for Red Cliffs I think monitor this
[1:53:47] year yeah I think so too
[1:53:49] they don't just like
[1:53:52] they get some big headliner and they
[1:53:54] don't have some cap you know like the
[1:53:56] stuff show over there
[1:54:02] we're all going
[1:54:05] I need to observe what's going on
[1:54:09] all right are we are we good I I feel
[1:54:12] comfortable because we're right okay
[1:54:13] cool I'll I'll adjourn the um special
[1:54:16] workshop and we'll reconvene at five
[1:54:18] minutes at four o'clock
[1:54:21] foreign
[2:03:35] it's somebody
[2:03:38] Mark Markham can you hear me
[2:03:46] yes I can
[2:03:48] great thank you Mark
[2:03:50] all right I will uh open this regular
[2:03:53] meeting of the Thompson Springs special
[2:03:56] service fire district uh October 18th
[2:03:59] present our County Commissioner Sarah
[2:04:02] stock Kevin Walker juicy Kovash Kevin
[2:04:04] Clapper Patricia Dean Mary McGann and
[2:04:06] myself Chuck cadler
[2:04:08] um we also have clerk Gateway tech we
[2:04:11] have commission administrator Mallory
[2:04:12] Nassau associate administrator Quinn
[2:04:15] Hall and we have Chief Markham on Zoom
[2:04:20] um our first order of business is
[2:04:23] citizens to be heard do we have any
[2:04:26] citizens who would like to be heard on
[2:04:28] uh issues pertaining to the Thompson
[2:04:30] fire district
[2:04:33] all right seeing none we'll move on uh
[2:04:36] next up we have approval of minutes
[2:04:39] um approval of minutes from the
[2:04:41] September 20th meeting
[2:04:44] did anyone care to make a motion I moved
[2:04:46] to accept the minutes as
[2:04:49] presented in the packet for uh the
[2:04:53] meeting on the 20th of
[2:04:58] I have a motion
[2:05:03] second
[2:05:04] all right I have a motion for approval
[2:05:06] of minutes by commissioner mcgannon
[2:05:08] second by commissioner Clapper any
[2:05:09] discussion of the Thompson minutes
[2:05:12] seeing none I'll call for a vote all
[2:05:13] this in favor raise your hand
[2:05:16] motion passes unanimously six to nothing
[2:05:19] with commissioner Kovash absent
[2:05:21] um we are on into ratification of
[2:05:24] payment of bills
[2:05:27] ratification of total bills in the
[2:05:30] amount of two thousand twenty dollars
[2:05:32] and ninety six cents total payroll the
[2:05:34] amount of 1
[2:05:35] 646.88 total bills and payroll in the
[2:05:38] amount of
[2:05:40] 3667.84 uh
[2:05:43] can I get a motion
[2:05:47] so moved
[2:05:49] Patricia
[2:05:51] all right motion to approve the bills by
[2:05:53] commissioner second by commissioner Walker any discussion on
[2:05:57] Thompson bills
[2:05:59] saying no no call for a vote all those
[2:06:01] in favor of the motion raise your hand
[2:06:03] motion passes six to nothing with uh
[2:06:05] commissioner Kovash absent
[2:06:09] um we are moving on to our fire chiefs
[2:06:12] report and we have Chief Markham on Zoom
[2:06:15] uh mark
[2:06:18] uh hello
[2:06:20] can you hear me we can yes thank you
[2:06:23] okay great yeah I'll start off with
[2:06:25] recent incidents
[2:06:26] on September 26th we had a semi-truck
[2:06:29] and trailer
[2:06:31] go flying off the bridge on I-78 mile
[2:06:33] marker 205 uh that's right at the West
[2:06:35] Cisco exit I went down about 70 feet
[2:06:37] landed on the railroad tracks there it's
[2:06:39] about six o'clock in the morning and uh
[2:06:42] that was quite the rescue it took a
[2:06:44] quite a few members of MOA Valley Fire
[2:06:46] Department myself Grant County EMS and
[2:06:49] the Sheriff's Office and also uhp to to
[2:06:52] get the uh the patient extricated from
[2:06:54] the from the truck and then back up to
[2:06:56] the to the um to the waiting ambulance
[2:06:59] so that took a couple hours actually to
[2:07:01] get for that whole thing to go down
[2:07:04] um we had three different trauma calls
[2:07:06] in early October two in the Book Cliffs
[2:07:08] far above Thompson but in Grand County
[2:07:10] and then one at Crescent Junction
[2:07:13] as far as equipment goes I'll be getting
[2:07:16] our building backup generator serviced
[2:07:19] it's due
[2:07:21] um just in time for winter here so have
[2:07:22] that ready to go to keep the heat going
[2:07:24] in case the power goes out on Thompson
[2:07:26] and then uh also kind of a big item is
[2:07:29] our jaws of life which is a crucial
[2:07:31] education tool and really needs to be
[2:07:34] replaced it's over 20 years old and so
[2:07:37] I'm trying to work that into the budget
[2:07:39] they're they're not cheap but I'm I'm
[2:07:41] trying to find the best deal and I just
[2:07:43] really need to have that out there so
[2:07:46] and then lastly I'll be attending the
[2:07:48] EMS conference and training in Provo on
[2:07:50] November 9th through 12th to help keep
[2:07:52] up my EMS training
[2:07:55] and that's it
[2:07:58] okay awesome Mark can I have to ask him
[2:08:00] a question yes please hey Mark it's
[2:08:02] Trish
[2:08:03] um I Heard Kurt talking about those
[2:08:05] rescues in the Book Cliffs do you know
[2:08:07] what area they were in and and and also
[2:08:10] on top of that you feel like we're
[2:08:12] getting more calls out in that country
[2:08:16] um I know one was in Boger Canyon Okay
[2:08:19] we both like passed the Indian
[2:08:21] reservation and the other one was I
[2:08:23] can't recall but it was still past there
[2:08:24] I was actually coming back from an
[2:08:26] airport conference when those went down
[2:08:28] so I wasn't a part of those but uh yeah
[2:08:30] this is hunting season big time up there
[2:08:32] yeah the horse trailers are going
[2:08:34] non-stop up and down so it's usually
[2:08:37] this time we'll have at least one but
[2:08:38] there's actually three in the book list
[2:08:40] that day the other one was above West
[2:08:42] water but yeah I'm definitely seeing
[2:08:44] more traffic up there
[2:08:46] um and it's very remote remote and it's
[2:08:49] hard to get to and a lot of times I have
[2:08:51] to use a helicopter to get up there so
[2:08:53] it's it's interesting and the weather's
[2:08:55] been good so when the weather gets bad
[2:08:57] it's going to be even more interesting
[2:08:58] right right okay thank you so much
[2:09:00] you're welcome
[2:09:02] yeah thank you Mark and thanks for your
[2:09:04] continued uh good workout Thompson
[2:09:07] thank you
[2:09:09] um it looks like we don't have any newer
[2:09:11] old business with Thompson
[2:09:13] um so I will adjourn the um
[2:09:17] Thompson special service
[2:09:19] fire district meeting
[2:09:21] and I will uh open the regular Grant
[2:09:24] County Commission meeting October 18th
[2:09:28] 411 with all the previously named uh
[2:09:32] Commissioners in staff present as well
[2:09:34] as I see attorney Sloan has joined us on
[2:09:37] Zoom
[2:09:39] um so we will rise to the Pledge of
[2:09:41] Allegiance
[2:09:52] one nation
[2:10:01] all right
[2:10:03] um citizens to be heard uh we'll go with
[2:10:05] any citizens in the room here who would
[2:10:07] care to come up and uh make a statement
[2:10:11] and if you're here to make a statement
[2:10:12] please come up to the table
[2:10:14] anyone like to be heard at this point
[2:10:19] looks like not in the room is there
[2:10:21] anybody on Zoom who would like to uh
[2:10:24] whose decision would like to be heard
[2:10:27] raise your hand around mute
[2:10:31] all right just look like we have anyone
[2:10:33] on Zoom either or send out one more call
[2:10:35] in the room and we will have another
[2:10:37] system to be heard at six o'clock anyone
[2:10:39] care to come up and be heard
[2:10:46] we will move on to Department reports
[2:10:51] and our first report is from uh the
[2:10:54] building department and that is Bill
[2:10:56] Holston before bill you get started come
[2:10:58] on
[2:10:59] uh we just wanted to um we just want to
[2:11:02] thank you uh very much for your untiring
[2:11:05] work during all of our recent emergency
[2:11:08] events
[2:11:10] um the floods especially in the fire
[2:11:11] before that uh you've absolutely risen
[2:11:15] to the occasion and done a superb job
[2:11:18] during these tough events and we very
[2:11:20] much appreciate it and we have a
[2:11:22] I was talking about appreciation for you
[2:11:24] here
[2:11:27] thank you very much
[2:11:37] so I am Bill Holst building official
[2:11:39] deadline administrator
[2:11:41] um we've had a pretty busy year so far
[2:11:43] construction and county is still going
[2:11:45] strong
[2:11:46] we've issued 243 permits so far this
[2:11:50] year total revenue of 250
[2:11:53] 000 give or take
[2:11:55] we are also finishing up the permits
[2:11:58] that we have started in San Juan County
[2:12:00] a few years back we had an email local
[2:12:01] agreement started with them they've had
[2:12:04] staffs they needed some help we stepped
[2:12:06] in they are fully staffed now so they
[2:12:09] will be taking that back over so they'll
[2:12:11] take a little bit of a workload off of
[2:12:12] us
[2:12:13] give us a little bit more time for Club
[2:12:15] Time stuff
[2:12:18] um next week we're having two contractor
[2:12:21] Community education classes for
[2:12:22] electricians and then we're going to
[2:12:24] have a one day 12 hour class for
[2:12:26] plumbers in November
[2:12:27] so these are the classes that they need
[2:12:29] to take to renew their licenses with the state
[2:12:34] of the state in the past we've had
[2:12:35] to partner up with the USU Moab
[2:12:38] because the state law changed we
[2:12:40] couldn't provide that education anymore
[2:12:42] but a state agency or a university could
[2:12:45] we figured USU was probably better than
[2:12:48] the ABC or contractors
[2:12:51] so we went with them this year we're
[2:12:53] going to expand a little bit we're all
[2:12:56] offering
[2:12:57] a class here live in Moab we're also
[2:12:59] offering it live in Blanding and price
[2:13:02] and then we have an online webinar
[2:13:05] that people can do it from wherever they
[2:13:07] are in the country
[2:13:11] on the floodplain side
[2:13:14] we've been a little bit busy too we've
[2:13:16] been working with Bill Jackson on a
[2:13:18] couple of foot pain grants
[2:13:20] prove its own pack great we actually had
[2:13:22] a pre-bid meeting yesterday for the nrcs
[2:13:25] grants they're going to deal with the
[2:13:26] five Crossings crossing the creek
[2:13:29] so hopefully we'll be getting started on
[2:13:31] construction around the beginning of
[2:13:33] November and wrapping up by the end of
[2:13:35] the year
[2:13:37] um we proceeded our first verification
[2:13:39] visit with the CRS which is a program in
[2:13:42] the nfip the national flood insurance
[2:13:43] program
[2:13:45] we were accepted as a class eight
[2:13:47] Community which gives our
[2:13:48] property owners that live in a special
[2:13:50] desert area a 10 discount on their flood
[2:13:52] insurance
[2:13:54] outside of it a five percent discount
[2:13:58] Jenny and Emergency Management
[2:14:01] but the Army Corps of Engineers silver
[2:14:03] jackets they're putting together a flood
[2:14:05] emergency action plan for us so we hope
[2:14:07] to have that
[2:14:10] hopefully wrapped up by the end of the
[2:14:11] year
[2:14:13] that's about it
[2:14:14] I'm sure there's a whole bunch more but
[2:14:19] just kind of Trends on building do you
[2:14:22] feel like things are kind of plateauing
[2:14:24] I mean it's far you've been around for a
[2:14:26] while I mean it
[2:14:27] didn't feel just in general
[2:14:29] um you know
[2:14:31] with covid we didn't see a Slowdown at
[2:14:33] all
[2:14:36] things are starting to
[2:14:38] go down a little bit I think it's
[2:14:40] actually spurring more construction
[2:14:41] right we have a couple big projects
[2:14:44] still coming in that
[2:14:46] haven't you should get this year I hope
[2:14:49] you get a mission by the end of the year
[2:14:51] we try to we try to keep our our budget
[2:14:55] um with the building departments we try
[2:14:57] to keep our bucket so that
[2:14:59] the services we provide to individuals
[2:15:03] with buildings are covered by their
[2:15:05] building permit fees
[2:15:08] there is some extra left over but we do
[2:15:11] a lot of Outreach programs and work for
[2:15:13] the general public so
[2:15:17] higher budget but we're gonna be pretty
[2:15:20] close
[2:15:21] so my question is similar to um Trish's
[2:15:24] you mentioned the number of building
[2:15:25] permits I'm assuming you have a
[2:15:27] statistics going back a few years for
[2:15:29] how many permits of various types it
[2:15:33] kind of hangs around that scene
[2:15:35] okay 250.
[2:15:37] um again some of them are deceiving
[2:15:40] or a motel obviously there's a whole lot
[2:15:43] more work involved but still on the
[2:15:45] council department I guess I'd just be
[2:15:47] interested in um emailing with you after
[2:15:49] the meeting just to you know get like
[2:15:51] the spreadsheet or whatever it is
[2:15:53] that'd be great thanks
[2:15:57] Mary Did Jefferson yes uh where are we
[2:16:01] on the cleanup are we completed with the
[2:16:03] cleanup at uh pack Creek Estates they
[2:16:06] mobilized this morning they started
[2:16:07] cleaning up and living this cottonwood
[2:16:09] trees
[2:16:10] um they plan on finishing up within two
[2:16:13] weeks
[2:16:14] Brandon with the fire department and I
[2:16:17] plan on going out
[2:16:19] on the first and third
[2:16:22] to do inspections we're going to be
[2:16:24] looking at
[2:16:25] homes
[2:16:28] address
[2:16:30] and we'll be looking at General cleanup
[2:16:32] yards outbuildings things like that
[2:16:36] screen on neighborhood cleanup
[2:16:39] to clean some of that stuff up and the
[2:16:41] owners have some pretty
[2:16:43] Big Ideas on
[2:16:45] wanting to keep the affordability
[2:16:48] um
[2:16:49] expand on it to do he may be looking for
[2:16:52] long-term Park
[2:16:54] a long-term kind of part I mean uh as
[2:16:56] far as the long-term rental yeah partner
[2:16:59] not not about four acres on the back
[2:17:02] side that's been bacon for years they've
[2:17:05] had overflow camping on there there's
[2:17:07] been a bunch of issues
[2:17:09] now with the Plenty Department working
[2:17:11] on the new
[2:17:13] falling overlay separate
[2:17:17] they're they're reaching out to planning
[2:17:19] and zoning and talking about
[2:17:21] that
[2:17:26] short-term rental Camp Park and it'd be
[2:17:29] a long-term rental Camp Park
[2:17:33] yeah so they're working with playing and
[2:17:35] something I know that's not yeah
[2:17:37] and the lady that owned it that came and
[2:17:40] thanked us she lives out of town yes
[2:17:43] she's in Connecticut her partner is here
[2:17:45] and
[2:17:49] I know that was really tough and thank
[2:17:52] you for all the work you did that was a
[2:17:54] hard one yeah
[2:17:56] it tough going out and talking to those
[2:17:59] people that just lost everything
[2:18:02] there's still rules that need to be
[2:18:04] followed when we're recovering and
[2:18:05] putting stuff back together
[2:18:09] and I know they haven't always we
[2:18:11] haven't always dealt with really polite
[2:18:13] people and it's been
[2:18:15] you don't get paid enough for them the
[2:18:18] building inspector so I'm quite used to
[2:18:20] that
[2:18:23] all right anyone else have anything for
[2:18:25] Bill Evan yeah I I know you've been
[2:18:28] dealing with a lot more pressing stuff
[2:18:30] and and uh to a degree much more
[2:18:32] important but I was just while you were
[2:18:34] here I was curious if off the top of
[2:18:35] your head you knew how many of the uh
[2:18:39] approved Hotel permits that haven't
[2:18:41] Broken Ground are still coming down the
[2:18:43] pipe
[2:18:47] the Country Industries and they've been
[2:18:50] at it for a while
[2:18:53] um I think they initially submitted in
[2:18:55] 2018 2019 uh
[2:18:58] and have gone through a bunch of
[2:19:00] Renditions with site plan and the
[2:19:03] building plans have been approved since
[2:19:04] 2019.
[2:19:07] we've actually had to build through
[2:19:09] because we've had a code update and
[2:19:10] three reviews
[2:19:15] thanks
[2:19:18] yeah
[2:19:23] only because we had so many questions
[2:19:25] thank you very much yeah that's why we
[2:19:28] like it
[2:19:30] all right next up we have another
[2:19:32] department report Economic Development
[2:19:34] with uh August granite and I think I saw
[2:19:36] August on Zoom there he is
[2:19:38] are you in arches
[2:19:41] you know Live From The Scene doing my
[2:19:45] job talking to visitors taking a break
[2:19:47] from interp
[2:19:53] erson
[2:19:53] it's just that's just my uh back country
[2:19:56] ski brain wishfully thinking
[2:19:59] and and hopefully that Evan doesn't have
[2:20:01] to you know be involved in getting me
[2:20:03] out of there next time but
[2:20:06] um we could talk about that another time
[2:20:08] okay I'm gonna share my screen
[2:20:14] can you see my screen
[2:20:18] all right
[2:20:19] um I tried to make this quick and I
[2:20:21] ended up with 60 slides so you know I'm
[2:20:25] gonna try to go as quick as I can but as
[2:20:28] you all know there's a lot going on in
[2:20:29] my world and I'm gonna try to touch on
[2:20:31] as much as what we've done in the last
[2:20:33] year or so
[2:20:35] um and feel free to cut me off or tell
[2:20:36] me to go faster
[2:20:38] Etc so I'm going to jump right into it
[2:20:41] um one thing I'm not going to touch on
[2:20:43] in this presentation is all the special
[2:20:44] event work that Rachel has done in our
[2:20:46] office uh you just spent a lovely two
[2:20:48] hours with her and Angie going diving
[2:20:51] deep I think you all know how much work
[2:20:53] has gone into reforming that process
[2:20:56] um so just know that even though it's
[2:20:58] not in this presentation uh Rachel is
[2:21:01] doing a great job
[2:21:02] and is an essential part of the office
[2:21:06] um okay so what goes on in this building
[2:21:07] that no one knows what it is except for
[2:21:09] those who knows what it is on
[2:21:12] first of all just a quick plug we're
[2:21:15] doing a lot of training professional
[2:21:16] development
[2:21:18] um I did a management Leadership Academy
[2:21:19] this year to try to turn myself into a
[2:21:22] leader and manager
[2:21:24] um all of us including myself did a
[2:21:26] science lab science certification
[2:21:27] training and soil Crest geology and
[2:21:29] ecology Melissa got an MBA
[2:21:32] um and Biga got a certified
[2:21:35] um as a commissioner film commissioner
[2:21:38] under the association of film
[2:21:39] Commissioners International
[2:21:41] um but what do we do what what goes on
[2:21:43] in that building what goes on in my
[2:21:44] brain uh it typically is kind of an
[2:21:48] insane jumble of all of the above
[2:21:51] um I'm gonna try to tease out
[2:21:53] um a clearer narrative
[2:21:55] um than this
[2:21:57] so first we have some visitor economy
[2:21:59] programs
[2:22:01] um so that includes we're going to start
[2:22:04] with visitor education so with the
[2:22:05] biggest one this year was The Arches
[2:22:07] timed entry visitor education campaign
[2:22:09] we have a newly released biocrest video
[2:22:11] that I'll play a little bit of
[2:22:13] um we launched a human waste management
[2:22:15] website in partnership with the Solid
[2:22:19] Waste Service Special Service District
[2:22:23] um and and uh gcat and as well as some
[2:22:26] noise related
[2:22:28] um educational materials
[2:22:29] so for the timed entry campaign
[2:22:32] um we were we ended up really being an
[2:22:34] essential part of some collaboration
[2:22:36] between the National Park Service the
[2:22:37] Utah office of Tourism the Utah's public
[2:22:40] lands policy coordinating office the
[2:22:42] Utah tourism industry Association USU
[2:22:44] the Chamber of Commerce and the
[2:22:46] Canyonlands Natural History Association
[2:22:47] all with the joint mission of
[2:22:50] um you know how do we mitigate visitor
[2:22:53] confusion and misperception issues
[2:22:55] around this new change and ensure that
[2:22:57] visitors have a seamless trip window
[2:22:59] here and that they book trips um
[2:23:01] regardless of the change
[2:23:03] the information center hosted NPS
[2:23:05] Rangers to facilitate use of rep.gov
[2:23:07] reservations
[2:23:09] UDOT you didn't make it on the previous
[2:23:10] slide provided roadside variable
[2:23:12] messaging signs and our department
[2:23:14] distributed just under 10 000 rack cards
[2:23:17] um and a little over 5 000 Outdoor
[2:23:19] Adventure guides about 105 businesses to
[2:23:22] ensure that any place that a visitor had
[2:23:25] a question are our front desk Warriors
[2:23:28] out there were able to provide the
[2:23:31] relevant information
[2:23:32] we also designed and placed ads in
[2:23:34] traditional Media
[2:23:36] newspapers magazines Etc we updated the
[2:23:40] downtown locator boards to make sure
[2:23:41] that that information was available for
[2:23:43] those just walking down Main Street we
[2:23:45] designed a wall-sized poster for
[2:23:47] Canyonlands Regional Airport and
[2:23:48] answered thousands of visitor emails and
[2:23:50] phone calls basically we tried to do an
[2:23:52] all-out front to make sure that any
[2:23:54] person who'd looked up any information
[2:23:55] or visited the town whatsoever would
[2:23:57] know about the program
[2:24:00] um here's just an example here's Robert
[2:24:01] doing good things he designed this ad
[2:24:04] ended up in one of the um uh traditional
[2:24:07] media Outlets
[2:24:08] and Melissa and Robert were instrumental
[2:24:10] Distributing those
[2:24:13] um rack cards and Outdoor Adventure
[2:24:15] guides throughout the community they
[2:24:16] went out several times a week and made
[2:24:17] really good connections
[2:24:19] um
[2:24:20] that was a really good part of this
[2:24:22] whole experience
[2:24:23] so the biggest piece
[2:24:26] um of this campaign was a 200 000
[2:24:28] digital paid media campaign so we
[2:24:32] targeted
[2:24:33] um
[2:24:34] TripAdvisor YouTube social media
[2:24:37] um Instagram Facebook Etc and paid
[2:24:39] search so you know Google AdWords
[2:24:42] in order to make to Target those who are
[2:24:45] interested in visiting Moab
[2:24:47] um and ensure that they got the
[2:24:48] information that they needed about timed
[2:24:50] entry so that they didn't have the wrong
[2:24:52] information
[2:24:53] that campaign delivered 12 million
[2:24:55] impressions across all platforms 200 000
[2:24:58] page visits to discovermolab.com 150
[2:25:02] 000 unique visitors
[2:25:04] um with an average visit time of four
[2:25:06] minutes which is very much above
[2:25:08] industry standard
[2:25:10] um
[2:25:11] on TripAdvisor those that were exposed
[2:25:14] to the ads that we put out there about
[2:25:16] hey there's a timed entry campaign
[2:25:18] please go get your reservation they
[2:25:20] checked out 30 more points of interest
[2:25:22] in the Moab area compared to non-ad
[2:25:24] exposed users they checked out 60 more
[2:25:26] pages of mob information than
[2:25:28] non-exposed users same for accommodation
[2:25:31] attraction and restaurant Pages
[2:25:34] um and they booked 60 more than non-add
[2:25:37] exposed users on TripAdvisor so so my
[2:25:40] takeaway there and this is what love
[2:25:42] agrees with that if exposed to accurate
[2:25:44] information visitors planned accordingly
[2:25:46] and booked a trip to Moab despite a
[2:25:49] potential friction point with this new
[2:25:50] timed entry system
[2:25:52] however if you look at the numbers and
[2:25:54] you compare the data we have for the
[2:25:56] time entry system from 21 to 22 I'll be
[2:26:00] at 21 being a bit of a sugar high year
[2:26:02] we just don't have good 2019 data for
[2:26:04] this reference point total spend in the
[2:26:07] Moab area was down five percent for
[2:26:09] those that time period gas up 18 I don't
[2:26:12] think that's a surprise to anybody
[2:26:13] grocery spend was down 12 restaurant
[2:26:16] span was down 16. lodging spend was down
[2:26:18] 25. we're looking forward to hearing
[2:26:21] what The NPS has
[2:26:23] um with their visitor direct intercept
[2:26:25] information about quality of experience
[2:26:27] what they're seeing now the the
[2:26:30] pilot is over what's happening in
[2:26:32] October they're turning people away on a
[2:26:34] daily basis
[2:26:35] um so those numbers from the Visa or
[2:26:38] MasterCard
[2:26:40] just Visa
[2:26:41] so that represents about 60 of the
[2:26:43] market
[2:26:45] okay
[2:26:48] so it's down from uh 2021 but we don't
[2:26:52] have uh information on uh 2019 is that
[2:26:55] what you said that's correct
[2:26:58] we're looking for we're trying to we're
[2:27:00] trying to work with visa to get that
[2:27:01] data but we don't have it you just got
[2:27:04] it we literally just got in August
[2:27:07] like you just got the email right now
[2:27:10] yesterday
[2:27:12] all right well I Ben will send you an
[2:27:15] update on these numbers at a later date
[2:27:17] okay that thank you van I'd like to see
[2:27:20] that
[2:27:23] um
[2:27:24] you know sorry we can't turn this around
[2:27:26] in in 24 hours apologize
[2:27:29] um let's take a look at this uh I'm
[2:27:32] gonna see if I can share
[2:27:34] I should be able to
[2:27:38] share my
[2:27:40] give me one second
[2:27:41] I should be able to share my audio here
[2:27:46] it might not let me
[2:27:49] well I'll just show you a little bit of
[2:27:50] the visual
[2:27:52] um we worked with Mark Finley who we've
[2:27:54] done a lot of video production work with
[2:27:56] um who he partnered with science Moab
[2:27:58] and other Dryland ecologists put
[2:28:01] together on this really quite amazing
[2:28:04] um video that highlights bio crust and
[2:28:08] best practices and
[2:28:10] he's got a new
[2:28:12] um macro lens
[2:28:14] um that gets really high quality up
[2:28:16] close
[2:28:17] content as you can see here
[2:28:20] um so this is fully scientifically
[2:28:21] accurate
[2:28:23] um and you know it kind of the quality
[2:28:26] to me feels like a Discovery Channel
[2:28:28] piece
[2:28:29] um
[2:28:30] so
[2:28:31] this is published this is live on our
[2:28:33] website
[2:28:34] um we haven't necessarily built out a
[2:28:37] distribution strategy on this piece but
[2:28:39] we think that this is going to be a
[2:28:41] really important part of our
[2:28:43] um you know visitor education campaigns
[2:28:46] of the future we're imagining
[2:28:48] um
[2:28:49] a future web platform that you know we
[2:28:52] drive our visitors to using paid media
[2:28:55] um to kind of go through the Moab
[2:28:56] Steward or whatever you call it
[2:28:58] education campaign much like the
[2:29:00] backcountry skiing Avalanche education
[2:29:02] campaign kind of like you've got to do
[2:29:04] this before you recreate in Moab
[2:29:07] um and then shoot some really good
[2:29:08] emotionally engaging content
[2:29:11] um to get people to buy in and and see
[2:29:13] that there is a need for an ethic when
[2:29:15] you're visiting the area and then lower
[2:29:17] in the funnel these kinds of detailed
[2:29:19] videos
[2:29:20] um we're also going to continue to work
[2:29:21] with gcat to do
[2:29:24] um that kind of content with our local
[2:29:25] businesses and residents
[2:29:27] um probably first before we go after
[2:29:29] visitors
[2:29:30] but please check this out when you got
[2:29:32] some time it's it's really rad
[2:29:37] uh okay let's pause here
[2:29:40] another piece of visitor Education
[2:29:43] website or where do we find
[2:29:46] that I believe it is on the on the
[2:29:48] Discover Moab website on the main page
[2:29:50] there's a what's new section on the left
[2:29:53] if you click that up there should be the
[2:29:55] new biocrest video linked there
[2:29:58] it's also on the Discover mob YouTube
[2:29:59] page
[2:30:02] um one of the things that was really
[2:30:03] exciting this year you know there's been
[2:30:05] a lot of talk about wag bags as the kind
[2:30:07] of durger way to to manage human waste
[2:30:12] in the backcountry in this area
[2:30:14] um it was all over the paper is what
[2:30:15] happens when that meets Municipal Waste
[2:30:19] Disposal Systems
[2:30:21] um and so in an effort to ensure that
[2:30:23] safety workers are being taken care of
[2:30:25] and we're able to protect the
[2:30:27] backcountry as well we partnered with
[2:30:29] the canyonland solid waste Special
[2:30:31] Service District to put together a
[2:30:34] handful of
[2:30:36] um
[2:30:37] they they put together the system I
[2:30:40] should be totally clear about that we
[2:30:41] just put together a page on our website
[2:30:43] and worked with gcat to try to implement
[2:30:45] some uh some news press releases what's
[2:30:48] that what not but if you go to
[2:30:50] discover.discover moab.com slash poop
[2:30:53] you'll find this page that will link you
[2:30:55] uh to where you can drop it off so you
[2:30:58] can drop it off right now to Lions Park
[2:31:02] um the wastewater treatment facility the
[2:31:04] health department and the canland solid
[2:31:08] waste facility
[2:31:10] I found this useful recently because I
[2:31:12] forgot where they were and checked it
[2:31:14] out myself so
[2:31:15] it worked they're still there
[2:31:19] so how much those have been used
[2:31:22] well I would have a sense of when I open
[2:31:25] when I deposited one into the Health
[2:31:29] Department's bin
[2:31:31] uh the other day it was about half full
[2:31:33] and that was on a Sunday
[2:31:36] so dragging around a black bag August I
[2:31:39] don't never mind
[2:31:41] listen that was that was um that was a
[2:31:44] pretty prompt
[2:31:45] I was pretty prompt so I'll say that
[2:31:51] um okay there's been much conversation
[2:31:53] about updating the Billboards
[2:31:55] um to kind of have this
[2:31:57] uh you know please respect our
[2:31:59] neighborhoods when you're visiting the
[2:32:00] community your adventure starts and then
[2:32:02] um kind of targeting uh motorized
[2:32:05] vehicle traffic trying to get to
[2:32:07] trailheads through neighborhoods
[2:32:09] um we're working with an artist
[2:32:11] um to kind of
[2:32:12] make some modifications based off of
[2:32:14] Maddie's sketch that we presented months
[2:32:16] ago
[2:32:17] um and uh once we have some kind of
[2:32:21] sketches we'll have a meeting to get
[2:32:23] some input on them
[2:32:24] um one of the item agendas today is
[2:32:27] renewing our contract not for this
[2:32:29] billboard but the billboard south of
[2:32:31] town
[2:32:32] um just a heads up that we are actively
[2:32:35] trying to update those what's on those
[2:32:37] Billboards at the moment
[2:32:41] any questions on visitor education
[2:32:43] before I move to visitor services
[2:32:48] okay I'm gonna keep rolling
[2:32:51] so visitor Services captures a lot of
[2:32:54] the work that we do
[2:32:55] um to answer questions to provide
[2:32:57] information to ensure that folks have
[2:32:59] the best experience possible and get the
[2:33:01] best information possible so we produce
[2:33:05] Travel Planners we ship them all around
[2:33:06] the world
[2:33:08] um we make outdoor visitor guides for
[2:33:13] um you know once you're in town it has
[2:33:15] all of the trails that are basically not
[2:33:16] in the national park so it's kind of a
[2:33:18] dispersal effort as well
[2:33:21] um and that's why we gave it out to
[2:33:22] folks during timed entry because it had
[2:33:24] non-park information Recreation
[2:33:27] information we have a leads program that
[2:33:29] distributes
[2:33:30] that businesses can subscribe to and
[2:33:33] basically purchase
[2:33:35] um the the visitor information for those
[2:33:38] who have signed up for the channel
[2:33:39] Travel Planners and have opted in to uh
[2:33:42] basically receiving marketing
[2:33:43] information it's a very cost effective
[2:33:46] way for our local businesses to take
[2:33:47] advantage of our marketing efforts and
[2:33:49] the leads that they produce
[2:33:51] it's low cost it's not free and that
[2:33:53] prevents too many like unlimited people
[2:33:56] using it and and then ultimately
[2:33:58] visitors getting like spammed in their
[2:34:00] inbox
[2:34:01] obviously discover my website we
[2:34:02] continue to maintain and operate and
[2:34:04] update
[2:34:06] um and then Billboards besides those
[2:34:07] ones in town also along the highway
[2:34:10] um on 191 and 70. as well as answering
[2:34:13] questions on the phone email and chat
[2:34:16] a couple highlights
[2:34:18] um showing off our lovely staff Robert
[2:34:20] and Melissa
[2:34:22] um we just updated and printed 75 000
[2:34:24] copies of the mob outdoor adventure
[2:34:26] Guide which will last us through next
[2:34:27] year we distributed 12 000 Travel
[2:34:29] Planners to Residents in all 50 U.S
[2:34:32] states with California and Texas being
[2:34:34] the leading requesting area as well as
[2:34:37] Canada UK Germany France Italy Australia
[2:34:39] Belgium Switzerland and Denmark
[2:34:42] um the travel planner basically says
[2:34:44] what is going on in Moab and what you
[2:34:46] can do while you're here it's an
[2:34:48] inspiration kind of piece
[2:34:51] um as I mentioned before that leads
[2:34:52] program
[2:34:54] um is subscribed to by 20 businesses
[2:34:57] and continues to grow answer thousands
[2:35:00] of phone calls we answer the phone
[2:35:01] through the mob information center
[2:35:03] um
[2:35:04] and as well as direct chat messages and
[2:35:06] emails from our website
[2:35:08] continue to work on discovermob.com
[2:35:11] which has received up to 3 million
[2:35:13] visitors in a year we're down from that
[2:35:15] that's a 2019 High
[2:35:19] um I mentioned the the online content
[2:35:22] one one thing significant that happened
[2:35:24] this year was
[2:35:26] um damage that happened to the I-70
[2:35:27] billboard which Robert LED on the repair
[2:35:29] and Improvement of
[2:35:32] um it looked like this at one point
[2:35:35] um some big windstorms this spring you
[2:35:37] know you saw all the way back to some
[2:35:39] ancient advertising
[2:35:41] um on that billboard here so fix that I
[2:35:45] don't have an after photo but I'm sure
[2:35:46] you've seen it on the highway
[2:35:49] um
[2:35:50] visitor attraction
[2:35:52] is the next piece
[2:35:53] um I kind of want to use this term
[2:35:54] instead of marketing because there's so
[2:35:56] many different ways that you can attract
[2:35:58] visitors especially the ones that um
[2:36:01] uh we feel our quality visitors to the
[2:36:03] community
[2:36:04] so I'm going to mention the drive Market
[2:36:05] campaign and the Fly Market campaign
[2:36:07] that we've been working on a lot this
[2:36:08] fall
[2:36:10] um as well as just a quick overview of
[2:36:12] the creative for anybody who hasn't seen
[2:36:14] it yet
[2:36:15] some travel trade work that Melissa has
[2:36:17] done as well as International Market
[2:36:19] development and some Fan Tours
[2:36:22] so the drive Market campaign is
[2:36:25] officially in Market as you can see over
[2:36:27] here October 17th is the launch date
[2:36:29] that was yesterday
[2:36:32] um so you know we've gone through a
[2:36:34] process
[2:36:35] um that we feel has been fairly
[2:36:36] transparent with the commission and our
[2:36:38] boards um to ensure that the creative
[2:36:40] really fits the new direction that we
[2:36:43] want it to go towards even though we
[2:36:45] haven't gone through a new branding
[2:36:46] process or a whole
[2:36:49] uh you know new process
[2:36:51] um
[2:36:52] let's see if this will load
[2:36:54] I'm just going to skim through this for
[2:36:56] those who haven't seen it
[2:36:58] pardon my tabs
[2:37:05] can everybody see the presentation here
[2:37:10] yep okay so this is from love
[2:37:11] Communications
[2:37:14] um I'm just going to quickly scan to
[2:37:16] some of the highlights here the
[2:37:18] objectives here really were to increase visitation to Moab among
[2:37:21] responsible and conscientious Travelers
[2:37:23] inspire a sense of curiosity among
[2:37:25] visitors and desire to learn more about
[2:37:27] mobs ecology history and culture and to
[2:37:30] encourage off-season travel which
[2:37:31] benefits local stakeholders and also
[2:37:32] improves The Traveler experience
[2:37:35] um so I'm gonna I guess I guess this is
[2:37:37] an important part too really should
[2:37:38] include imagery and language that evokes
[2:37:41] love and admiration for the land and a
[2:37:43] nod to moab's Natural historical and
[2:37:44] cultural resources and portrayal of the
[2:37:46] landscape is a National Treasure rather
[2:37:48] than a playground
[2:37:50] so if we look there's kind of three main
[2:37:54] sub pieces here so there's the Nature's
[2:37:57] Masterpiece
[2:37:58] um copy reading you know Moab for famous
[2:38:01] landmarks national parks which you might
[2:38:03] not know is how much is still waiting to
[2:38:05] be discovered if you're willing to
[2:38:06] broaden your horizons on your next trip
[2:38:08] make time to seek out destinations
[2:38:09] experiences beyond your usual go-to's
[2:38:11] you might have found in a new place or
[2:38:12] an entirely New Perspective learn how to
[2:38:14] visit responsibly at discoverlive.com
[2:38:17] same idea
[2:38:19] then this desert Treasures piece that
[2:38:21] kind of is a kind of a different take
[2:38:23] not this Outdoor Adventure piece but
[2:38:25] more of what are our cultural and
[2:38:26] historical resources this is uh The
[2:38:29] Grotto from the Music Fest
[2:38:32] if you think mob is a place to
[2:38:33] recuperate between adrenaline rushes
[2:38:34] think again with a variety of museums
[2:38:36] Galleries and theaters plus arts and
[2:38:38] music festivals happening almost year
[2:38:39] round we've never we're never short on
[2:38:41] inspiration for Modern Art and Cuisine
[2:38:43] to ancient history and culture it'll be
[2:38:45] amazing you'll be amazed at what's
[2:38:46] waiting to be discovered
[2:38:49] different treatments
[2:38:51] and then lastly was this place for
[2:38:53] reflection
[2:38:54] um
[2:38:57] uh
[2:38:58] so you know this is focused on we talked
[2:39:01] a lot about things like ephemeral we
[2:39:03] call it ephemeral pothole ecology and
[2:39:05] bio crust and these other things that
[2:39:07] are you know uh kind of leading with a
[2:39:10] like an invitation of curiosity if you
[2:39:12] come with curiosity then you're going to
[2:39:14] learn more about your experience here
[2:39:15] and you're probably going to be more
[2:39:17] respectful along the way
[2:39:19] um even in the most this unassuming
[2:39:20] little desert pothole is home to a whole
[2:39:22] host of creatures each is unique and
[2:39:23] beautiful as a landscape that surrounds
[2:39:25] them next time when you're in Moab take
[2:39:27] a moment to pause your adventures and
[2:39:28] Ponder the intricacies of the ecosystem
[2:39:30] that so many people Miss there's always
[2:39:31] more to discover if you look a little
[2:39:33] closer learn how to visit responsibly at
[2:39:35] discovermodab.com
[2:39:38] um
[2:39:39] same treatments on billboards
[2:39:42] I like these ones this they've got the
[2:39:44] little fairy shrimp here
[2:39:46] um kind of a surprise not something that
[2:39:48] we're known for by the average person
[2:39:50] but kind of asking a different kind of
[2:39:52] curiosity some indigenous cultural
[2:39:54] resources here done on potash Road
[2:39:59] um the social media is really where some
[2:40:01] of the the more explicit um kind of
[2:40:04] responsible Recreation tasks come in
[2:40:07] um I really like this piece even the
[2:40:10] most unassuming desert potholes or home
[2:40:11] to creatures as unique as our landscape
[2:40:12] the deserts and the details is it
[2:40:15] responsibly
[2:40:17] um most people it just looks like dirt
[2:40:19] to the desert it's a critical part about
[2:40:20] the ecosystem don't bust the crust
[2:40:22] um so we've asked them to expand this
[2:40:24] type of social media posts that are more
[2:40:26] kind of call to action oriented about a
[2:40:28] specific piece you know and then this
[2:40:30] will link to the new video that we've
[2:40:31] created
[2:40:33] same idea here desert biocrest can take
[2:40:36] hundreds of years to recover from even a
[2:40:37] single footprint or tire track see on
[2:40:39] the trail
[2:40:41] um
[2:40:44] I'm not going to spend too much time on
[2:40:46] this this is what it looks like on the
[2:40:47] web
[2:40:50] TripAdvisor
[2:40:52] and then they did a video piece
[2:40:54] um
[2:40:58] okay that's that's that
[2:41:01] um
[2:41:01] let's see any questions
[2:41:04] on
[2:41:06] the creative or the marketing that we're
[2:41:09] launching right now for the drives
[2:41:11] campaign at the moment I think we've
[2:41:13] talked about this a lot so far this fall
[2:41:16] yeah thanks August it looks good and
[2:41:18] that's a very thorough presentation
[2:41:21] okay
[2:41:22] I'm Gonna Keep crushing and try to not
[2:41:24] take too much time here we've got the
[2:41:26] fly Campaign which is also approved
[2:41:28] um it's going to start this fall and run
[2:41:30] through the spring
[2:41:32] so from the budget perspective how much
[2:41:35] do you predict how much longer do you
[2:41:37] think you have like out of the 60 slides
[2:41:39] how many have you done
[2:41:40] good question let's see we're at 36. 20.
[2:41:45] it's been 20 minutes so far
[2:41:48] okay you don't have to do every slide or
[2:41:50] there's maybe special important ones
[2:41:52] okay I'll go really fast you ready
[2:41:54] Melissa did a lot of travel trade shows
[2:41:58] you can cut me off
[2:42:03] um maybe yeah
[2:42:05] it highlights maybe and you could you
[2:42:06] could always email us the presentation
[2:42:07] yeah it'd be great okay I'm gonna go
[2:42:10] really fast
[2:42:11] Melissa visited a lot of travel shows he
[2:42:13] went to seven um National and five
[2:42:15] international trade shows in 2022. uh we
[2:42:18] went up to tourism down the hill doing a
[2:42:20] lot of relationship building with the
[2:42:22] state
[2:42:24] um basically Melissa's doing a good job
[2:42:26] I'm not going to go too much we did a
[2:42:28] campaign internationally and a co-op
[2:42:30] with a bunch of other National Park dmos
[2:42:32] Germany in terms of film because doing a
[2:42:36] great job with the Costner movie and
[2:42:38] several other things in the area to help
[2:42:40] get that real film incentive to to go
[2:42:43] forward on doing community events free
[2:42:46] movie in the in the in in the Parks she
[2:42:49] got her uh certified film commissioner
[2:42:51] status
[2:42:52] under the wild weird wacky westerns
[2:42:55] movie
[2:42:56] um
[2:42:57] fun little piece of here we got we got
[2:43:00] Costner
[2:43:01] um Business Services Ben's done an
[2:43:03] amazing job you know what he's done I'll
[2:43:05] skip through this the Canyonlands
[2:43:07] business Summit
[2:43:08] um sorry Ben we got 30 businesses public
[2:43:12] agencies and non-profits across both
[2:43:14] counties and 150 attendees
[2:43:17] um it was really great we're going to do
[2:43:19] it again in some form in February and we
[2:43:22] had 20 or so sponsors raising a little
[2:43:25] under 10 grand
[2:43:26] uh this is what people wanted
[2:43:29] lots of good information
[2:43:33] um I'm gonna skip ahead of this because
[2:43:34] I think grants is more interesting but
[2:43:35] basically we have some good information
[2:43:37] we're going to keep the business Summit
[2:43:38] rolling in the future and it'll be a
[2:43:40] good opportunity to share what we're
[2:43:41] doing as an office
[2:43:43] it was a good time
[2:43:45] um tourism Grant we awarded 30 grand on
[2:43:49] out of 50 Grand eight applicants
[2:43:53] seven awardees
[2:43:55] uh these were the awardees
[2:43:58] the start business grant about a million
[2:44:00] dollars in uh funding 49 applicants a
[2:44:04] little under 3 million requests
[2:44:06] um
[2:44:09] your awardee projects
[2:44:13] 14 proposed construction and
[2:44:14] infrastructure modification six Pro
[2:44:16] Sports Workforce housing help propose a
[2:44:18] new hire 28 proposed local operation
[2:44:21] great numbers from Ben
[2:44:23] um we will be on awarding well the
[2:44:27] commission will be considering awarding
[2:44:29] the first round of those awards today
[2:44:32] in terms of the flood relief grants we
[2:44:35] have process we uh can't hear you August
[2:44:37] oh last year
[2:44:40] how about now
[2:44:43] can you hear me now
[2:44:46] how about now
[2:44:49] you're at home August but not there I
[2:44:52] guess oh you think they froze
[2:44:54] yeah I think there's something going on
[2:44:56] in the commission room okay noodle
[2:44:59] thanks Ben
[2:45:32] foreign
[2:45:54] but
[2:46:54] foreign
[2:47:34] I'm sure you're getting the same message
[2:47:36] as August but I'm being told internet's
[2:47:39] totally down in the chambers
[2:47:41] I can see him now
[2:47:43] okay done
[2:47:59] 20 years
[2:48:13] and you hear me I can hear you now
[2:48:23] can you see my screen still yes we can
[2:48:26] still see yours screen all right I'm
[2:48:29] just gonna keep cranking then
[2:48:35] should I continue
[2:48:42] so just last couple programs here
[2:48:45] um the flood relief grant program we
[2:48:47] received 29 applications for requests
[2:48:49] totaling about a little under four
[2:48:50] hundred thousand dollars for total
[2:48:52] claims damage is over two million
[2:48:54] dollars
[2:48:56] um awarded 24 for a total of two hundred
[2:48:59] and thirteen thousand three hundred
[2:49:00] thirty one dollars five Max rewards for
[2:49:02] 20 grand these are the folks that were
[2:49:05] awarded
[2:49:07] um and then the special event Grant was
[2:49:08] awarded this year
[2:49:10] um to The Folk Festival for last and
[2:49:12] this year the free concert series this
[2:49:13] year the endurance Canyon ride and the
[2:49:15] powwow
[2:49:16] and I think that's it
[2:49:18] all right awesome thanks August sorry
[2:49:22] about the interruption any quick
[2:49:23] questions for August
[2:49:25] would you email us the presentation
[2:49:28] sure certainly yeah that'd be great
[2:49:30] thank you
[2:49:31] uh thanks for your patience y'all it's
[2:49:34] hard to fit everything into
[2:49:36] 15 minutes you're doing a ton of good
[2:49:38] work man thank you hey
[2:49:40] all right see you in a minute
[2:49:43] we will move on to our presentations and
[2:49:46] our first presentation will be our audit
[2:49:48] presentation with John hatterly from
[2:49:50] Larson and Cove
[2:49:56] John okay if you know oh you're John
[2:49:58] yeah
[2:50:00] please thanks John
[2:50:19] no
[2:50:20] we've got the coffee too okay
[2:50:24] it just came out it just came up on
[2:50:26] email
[2:50:29] um
[2:50:30] so sorry we're going to pull that up
[2:50:31] I'll start with the auto report so
[2:50:33] that's the big copy
[2:50:35] I love that you can see how big it is
[2:50:41] okay or if you'd like to stand there's
[2:50:44] the uh yeah I can see it it's all right
[2:50:47] I've just been sitting all day today
[2:50:50] um
[2:50:51] so you'll you'll notice that the auto
[2:50:53] reports changed for last year it's not
[2:50:55] because you changed Auditors like the
[2:50:56] audit report actually changed Nationwide
[2:51:00] um now they've kind of restructured
[2:51:02] things they've added some things that
[2:51:04] were required to communicate as part of
[2:51:05] the auto report which uh just I'll just
[2:51:07] go over those real quick the first
[2:51:09] section is now the opinion
[2:51:10] um the opinion used to fall later on in
[2:51:13] the report but everybody wanted to know the opinion first
[2:51:17] um the opinion on the financial
[2:51:18] statements this year is an unmodified or
[2:51:21] uh unqualified opinion that's a clean
[2:51:24] opinion in my world
[2:51:26] um
[2:51:27] last year you had a qualified opinion
[2:51:30] um and that was due to some of the
[2:51:32] component units
[2:51:34] um because they weren't tested uh but I
[2:51:36] had my team actually test some of their
[2:51:39] balances at those component units so
[2:51:42] that we could get comfortable with those
[2:51:43] balances so then we we didn't have to
[2:51:45] qualify your opinion so we did a few
[2:51:47] extra procedures in order to get rid of
[2:51:49] your qualified opinion
[2:51:52] um
[2:51:53] so clean opinion our basis for opinions
[2:51:57] so we follow certain standards and those
[2:52:00] are the general generally accepted
[2:52:03] auditing standards as well as gaap which
[2:52:06] is accounting principles and government
[2:52:09] auditing standards so those are kind of
[2:52:11] the guidelines that we have to follow
[2:52:13] there's a lot of things that we do
[2:52:15] behind the scenes besides just looking
[2:52:17] at your financial statements a lot of
[2:52:19] documents that we have to fill out as
[2:52:20] part of the audit
[2:52:22] um
[2:52:23] you can see there that we didn't audit
[2:52:26] um the Canyonlands
[2:52:28] um Grand County Recreation solid way
[2:52:30] Special Service District and the EMS
[2:52:32] those were actually audited by other
[2:52:34] Auditors and we just get there on a
[2:52:37] report and in our opinion kind of relies
[2:52:39] on their opinion as far as those
[2:52:41] entities go but the other ones that
[2:52:43] typically don't receive an audit
[2:52:46] um that is the reason why you got a
[2:52:48] qualified opinion last year are the ones
[2:52:50] that we actually did procedures on and
[2:52:52] we just so we just did that as part of
[2:52:54] the financial statement for the county
[2:52:57] um your responsibility for the financial
[2:52:59] statements
[2:53:01] um really is to know and understand
[2:53:02] accounting principles know how to put
[2:53:06] together a set of financial statements
[2:53:07] know how to know how to record the
[2:53:08] transactions in the books
[2:53:10] um our job is to audit those
[2:53:13] transactions
[2:53:15] um
[2:53:16] one of the new things that we're
[2:53:17] required to communicate to you this year
[2:53:20] is if well putting together your
[2:53:23] financial statements or reviewing
[2:53:25] transactions during the year if issues
[2:53:28] come up where there's a question about
[2:53:30] your ability to continue as a going
[2:53:32] concern within the next year you're
[2:53:35] required to do an analysis on what's the
[2:53:39] issue is it an overcomeable issue how
[2:53:41] are we going to overcome it and then
[2:53:43] form a game plan
[2:53:44] for example if something happened
[2:53:47] everybody loses their jobs nobody wants
[2:53:48] to pay their property tax that's a huge
[2:53:50] source of revenue for the county if you
[2:53:52] don't have that can you overcome that
[2:53:55] and continue to operate as a county
[2:53:57] paying all the expenditures that you're
[2:53:58] required to pay or do you have to come
[2:54:00] out go out and get some other you know
[2:54:03] funding to be able to cover that so
[2:54:04] that's the analysis that you have to do
[2:54:06] internally
[2:54:08] um our responsibility like I said is
[2:54:10] we're required to
[2:54:12] audit your financial statements
[2:54:15] um we look for material misstatements
[2:54:17] within the financial statements and all
[2:54:19] of our audits are risk-based so we
[2:54:21] identify risks that are contained in the
[2:54:24] financial statements and we'll talk a
[2:54:26] little bit about those
[2:54:28] um
[2:54:30] we also look at your internal control
[2:54:33] um on the next page this is a is also a
[2:54:36] new section of the auto report so you
[2:54:38] can see the bullet points there uh this
[2:54:40] is these are I've always been part of
[2:54:42] our engagements but now we're required
[2:54:44] to report on them in the auto report the
[2:54:47] first is we just have to exercise
[2:54:48] professional judgment and professional
[2:54:51] skepticism we're not coming in accusing
[2:54:54] you of doing anything wrong my opinion
[2:54:56] is most people in the world want to do
[2:54:57] what's right and they try to do what's
[2:54:59] right and they try to do a good job but
[2:55:01] we have to trust but verify so you know
[2:55:04] our audit is not to come in accusatory
[2:55:07] we want to help you guys get better we
[2:55:08] want to help you you know do things the
[2:55:10] right way
[2:55:11] um but professional skepticism is you
[2:55:14] know we we do have to question things
[2:55:15] and when things come up
[2:55:18] um you know and your staff are awesome
[2:55:19] any questions that my team asked
[2:55:22] um we had responses immediately
[2:55:24] um if there were questions you know they
[2:55:26] went and looked looked up the
[2:55:27] information and we were able to get the
[2:55:28] information
[2:55:29] um so I really appreciate that
[2:55:33] um like I said we have to identify the
[2:55:34] risk of material misstatement we have to
[2:55:36] look at your internal control uh we do
[2:55:39] not give an opinion on your internal
[2:55:40] control but but
[2:55:42] um we do look at it your controls to
[2:55:45] make sure a that they actually exist and
[2:55:47] B that they're functioning
[2:55:49] um if you don't have any operating
[2:55:51] controls then you're on risk will go
[2:55:54] significantly higher and we have to
[2:55:56] change the way we test Things based on
[2:55:57] you not having any controls
[2:56:00] um we have to evaluate the
[2:56:02] appropriateness of how you use
[2:56:04] principles and how you understand them
[2:56:06] and then the last ballpoint is
[2:56:09] follows along with your assessment of
[2:56:11] your ability to continue as a going
[2:56:13] concern if there's things that we
[2:56:15] identify as part of our test work that
[2:56:17] kind of trigger those thoughts then we
[2:56:19] also have to do an analysis on your
[2:56:22] ability to continue as a going concern
[2:56:23] and just for public record there weren't
[2:56:26] any signs of you guys not not being able
[2:56:29] to continue to operate as a County
[2:56:32] I know I was talking about this to
[2:56:34] somebody and they freaked out and
[2:56:35] thought that I was telling them that
[2:56:36] they weren't going to be able to
[2:56:37] continue within the next 12 months but
[2:56:39] this is more just the information that
[2:56:41] we have to look at in during our
[2:56:42] engagement
[2:56:43] all right required supplementary
[2:56:45] information just remember that there are
[2:56:47] parts of the financial statements that
[2:56:49] don't fall under our opinion and that is
[2:56:51] the Management's discussion analysis
[2:56:52] that immediately follows the audit
[2:56:54] reports on the next page
[2:56:57] um and then after the notes of the
[2:56:59] financial statements there is a section
[2:57:01] called required supplementary
[2:57:02] information that has budget schedules in
[2:57:04] it it has the URS information the
[2:57:07] pension information
[2:57:08] the schedules that are required to be
[2:57:10] there so they're not a part of the basic
[2:57:13] financial statements however they're
[2:57:14] required to accompany the financial
[2:57:15] statements to give more readability and
[2:57:18] more understandability to the financial
[2:57:20] statements so I always tell councils and
[2:57:23] commissions and and other boards that if
[2:57:26] you want to study the financial
[2:57:27] statements the Management's discussion
[2:57:29] analysis is the first place to start
[2:57:31] because it's kind of the Reader's Digest
[2:57:32] version of what's in the financial
[2:57:34] statement so it's kind of a 30 000 foot
[2:57:36] view of what's in the financial
[2:57:38] statements there's a lot of comparative
[2:57:39] data to the prior year so you can see
[2:57:42] where you're at year over year versus
[2:57:44] getting into the weeds of the numbers
[2:57:45] and sometimes you get lost thinking oh
[2:57:47] my gosh I don't understand these
[2:57:48] governmental statements they don't make
[2:57:49] any sense to me so the management
[2:57:51] discussion analysis is a good place to
[2:57:53] start
[2:57:55] um supplementary information so that
[2:57:57] would be any non-major funds that you've requested that we add to the
[2:58:01] financial statements
[2:58:03] um the schedule of expenditures of
[2:58:05] federal Awards so that is your single
[2:58:07] audit
[2:58:08] um that's considered supplementary
[2:58:10] information so supplementary information
[2:58:11] is information that is either by your
[2:58:14] choice or somebody else says you have to
[2:58:16] include this information
[2:58:18] um but it does fall underneath our
[2:58:20] opinion
[2:58:22] um so those those sections are audited
[2:58:25] and they they also received an
[2:58:27] unqualified or unlockified opinion
[2:58:31] okay if you want to flip to the back
[2:58:38] page a little PDF pages
[2:58:46] probably 10 pages in the end
[2:58:54] it'll go on the on your page side and
[2:58:57] then scroll down your pages
[2:59:00] and you see the secret rather that
[2:59:03] report
[2:59:05] okay so these are the the other reports
[2:59:07] that were required to issue that this
[2:59:09] one talks is a report that were issue
[2:59:12] that says that we did your audit
[2:59:13] according to government auditing
[2:59:14] standards
[2:59:15] um this one just this report uh really
[2:59:18] just talks about us looking at your
[2:59:20] internal controls
[2:59:22] um not that we give an opinion on it
[2:59:23] like I said but we have to identify any
[2:59:25] significant deficiencies or material
[2:59:26] weaknesses
[2:59:28] um we didn't find any that we would
[2:59:30] report as part of this letter
[2:59:32] all right two face go two pages down uh
[2:59:35] this is the report that we're required
[2:59:37] to issue
[2:59:38] um for the state auditor and you can see
[2:59:40] the indented area right there in the
[2:59:42] middle of the page those were the areas
[2:59:44] that we were required to look at
[2:59:46] um there's significantly more than last
[2:59:48] year and that's because this is the
[2:59:50] first year that we've done your audit so
[2:59:51] it's the your your first cycle so
[2:59:54] anything cash management open to public
[2:59:56] meetings public Treasures Utah
[2:59:58] Retirement Systems impact fees tax levy
[3:00:00] recognition Enterprise fund transfers so
[3:00:03] all those are our third year procedures
[3:00:05] so you only have to be tested on those
[3:00:06] every three years but since was this was
[3:00:08] the first year that we performed the
[3:00:10] audit
[3:00:11] whether or not you did it last year or
[3:00:12] two years ago we were required to do it
[3:00:14] again
[3:00:15] um
[3:00:16] we do give an opinion on your compliance
[3:00:18] and and our opinion is is also an
[3:00:21] unmodified or unqualified opinion on
[3:00:23] your compliance meaning that we didn't
[3:00:25] find any material non-compliance that
[3:00:28] um during our test work
[3:00:30] um and as you'll see as we discuss the
[3:00:32] management letters that there weren't
[3:00:33] any state compliance findings this year
[3:00:36] uh all right next page so two pages down
[3:00:39] so the next report is the report that we
[3:00:42] issue
[3:00:43] um for your single audit
[3:00:45] and this just says that
[3:00:48] um we've done our test work in
[3:00:49] accordance with the uniform guidance
[3:00:51] and we give an opinion on each of your
[3:00:54] major federal programs so we don't look
[3:00:56] at every Federal program that you get
[3:00:58] based on your schedule of expenditures
[3:01:00] we have to determine which ones are
[3:01:02] major programs and those are the ones
[3:01:04] that we give an opinion on
[3:01:06] so we give an opinion on your insurance
[3:01:08] control and as well as your compliance
[3:01:11] and both of those opinions are
[3:01:13] unmodified and unqualified
[3:01:16] um if there are any issues that come up
[3:01:19] um
[3:01:20] we are required to report them to the
[3:01:24] federal government everything was
[3:01:26] submitted to the federal government by
[3:01:27] the deadline that was my big concern was
[3:01:30] getting into the federal audit
[3:01:32] Clearinghouse by September 30th but we
[3:01:34] did make it so that's good
[3:01:37] um thanks to Gabe for
[3:01:39] kind of being there for the end
[3:01:41] um
[3:01:42] trying to throw everything together and
[3:01:43] make sure that we get the deadline
[3:01:46] um just a couple of things that I'm I
[3:01:47] need to go over with the single audit
[3:01:51] um on page 87 so if you go down 23 pages
[3:01:56] um the summary of auditor results
[3:02:00] so
[3:02:02] um as far as what gets report were
[3:02:04] reported to the federal government we
[3:02:06] have to report what your opinion was on
[3:02:07] the financial statements so an
[3:02:09] unmodified or an unqualified opinion
[3:02:11] there were not any material weaknesses
[3:02:13] identified not any significant
[3:02:14] deficiencies and no non-compliance that
[3:02:17] were material to the financial
[3:02:18] statements your federal award program
[3:02:22] um we also have to identify our opinions
[3:02:24] we did not identify any material
[3:02:27] weaknesses or significant deficiencies
[3:02:29] as it relates to the federal programs
[3:02:32] um and any major federal program that we
[3:02:34] tested received an unmodified opinion
[3:02:38] um
[3:02:40] that you can see that we tested the arpa
[3:02:42] money this year so that was the major
[3:02:44] program
[3:02:46] um and MOA or Grant County qualifies as
[3:02:49] a low-risk Oddity that really doesn't
[3:02:51] mean anything to you guys other than
[3:02:53] um it's more information for us
[3:02:55] everybody freaks out about not being
[3:02:58] low risk or not being considered low
[3:03:00] risk that just means that you haven't
[3:03:02] had any findings in the last priority
[3:03:04] years and that you've had single audits
[3:03:05] that they've been filed on time or that
[3:03:08] there's aren't there's not any grants
[3:03:09] that a granting agency says this is high
[3:03:12] risk and you have to test it as high
[3:03:13] risk
[3:03:15] um so it's really kind of out of your
[3:03:16] control of whether or not you're
[3:03:18] determined to be low risk or high or
[3:03:20] high risk and all it means is if if
[3:03:23] you're not considered low risk they
[3:03:25] don't call high-risk they say you're not
[3:03:27] lower risk but that means that I have to
[3:03:29] test more so that's that's the
[3:03:31] difference it really doesn't mean
[3:03:32] anything to you guys other than I have
[3:03:33] to have more percent coverage
[3:03:35] all right
[3:03:37] now the management letter
[3:03:42] I'll be quick on this one these are
[3:03:43] things that we're required to go over
[3:03:45] we do as a commission
[3:03:47] or a council sorry
[3:03:49] um
[3:03:50] oh Commission
[3:03:54] sorry
[3:03:55] I talked to so many people like and
[3:03:57] everybody's changing everybody's like
[3:03:58] switching between here seven member five
[3:04:01] member
[3:04:03] um
[3:04:04] all right
[3:04:07] okay so the plan scope and timing the
[3:04:09] audit uh we we outline that in the
[3:04:12] engagement letter the sign at the
[3:04:13] beginning of the engagement the
[3:04:15] significant risk risks that were
[3:04:17] identified so I told you that we were
[3:04:18] going to talk about risks and these are things that were required to
[3:04:20] communicate with you as well now
[3:04:23] um so the risk that we identified were
[3:04:25] improper Revenue recognition cash
[3:04:26] disbursements and then potential
[3:04:28] management bias estimates and the
[3:04:30] ability of management to override
[3:04:32] controls
[3:04:33] so a lot of people have kind of been
[3:04:35] freaking out about this thinking oh my
[3:04:36] gosh we have these problems but
[3:04:38] I need to
[3:04:40] address these as these are significant
[3:04:44] risks that were required to identify in
[3:04:47] every engagement so if we don't identify
[3:04:49] Revenue recognition as a significant
[3:04:51] risk then we have to document what in
[3:04:54] your entity would make it not a
[3:04:57] significant risk and it doesn't matter
[3:04:58] if you're a government the non-profit
[3:05:00] public company everybody has that as a
[3:05:02] significant risk cash disbursements
[3:05:05] because you are a government entity
[3:05:07] and you are utilizing public funds there
[3:05:10] is a risk of misspending those funds
[3:05:12] therefore cash disbursements becomes a
[3:05:16] significant risk and then Management's
[3:05:18] bias estimates and the ability to
[3:05:21] override controls those are risks and
[3:05:23] this kind of boils down to internal
[3:05:25] controls
[3:05:26] so so Gabe's ability to create a journal
[3:05:29] entry is an override of a control
[3:05:32] um as you guys know as as I've worked
[3:05:34] with Cody Dieter
[3:05:36] um on some of the internal control stuff
[3:05:37] and kind of helping him you know with
[3:05:39] the county
[3:05:40] we talk a lot about internal controls
[3:05:42] and your financial records should be
[3:05:43] done on a transaction basis so journal
[3:05:46] entries are a way to either
[3:05:48] correct something that's happened or
[3:05:50] Management's ability to override that
[3:05:52] control so you have to have that ability
[3:05:54] to create a journal entry however
[3:05:57] inherently you can commit fraud and
[3:05:59] conceal fraud by having that ability to
[3:06:02] override that control so you can see how
[3:06:03] it's kind of a double-edged sword so
[3:06:06] that's why it's it's a significant risk
[3:06:09] um what this means to you guys is these
[3:06:12] are the risks that we had to identify in
[3:06:14] our audit and then we have to plan our
[3:06:16] procedures and our tests around these
[3:06:19] areas to make sure that we reduce the
[3:06:21] risk to a reasonable level to be
[3:06:23] comfortable with the balances so
[3:06:26] um nothing you know major that that you
[3:06:28] need to change as a county those risks
[3:06:31] will probably always be there
[3:06:33] um but we we plan tests around that and
[3:06:35] then if we think if we find areas of
[3:06:37] concern we'll usually talk to Gabe or
[3:06:38] whoever and you know if it's significant
[3:06:41] enough then we'll issue a finding
[3:06:44] all right
[3:06:48] um
[3:06:48] so management we talked about the has
[3:06:50] the responsibility to use a appropriate
[3:06:53] accounting policies
[3:06:55] um there weren't any new accounting
[3:06:56] pronouncements that were implemented
[3:06:58] this year
[3:06:59] um and and nothing nothing changed from
[3:07:02] the prior year uh significant accounting
[3:07:04] estimates
[3:07:06] um like I said this was identified as a
[3:07:07] significant risk but you have to know
[3:07:09] that there's always estimates in
[3:07:11] financial statements
[3:07:13] um the the reason why that's a
[3:07:15] significant issue is I always give the
[3:07:18] example of a capital asset so if you go
[3:07:19] out and you buy a new fire engine it's
[3:07:21] 500 000 and you pay for pay cash for it
[3:07:24] on your financial statements if you show
[3:07:26] that as an expense it's going to be a
[3:07:29] 500 000 hit to be to your bottom line
[3:07:31] but if you say well we think it's going
[3:07:33] to last for 50 years then we're going to
[3:07:36] depreciate that over 50 years then it's
[3:07:38] only a thousand dollars that hit your
[3:07:39] bottom line that's a huge difference in
[3:07:41] net income and if and so what we do is
[3:07:44] we try to identify any estimates in the
[3:07:46] financial statements URS
[3:07:49] you know your net pension liability
[3:07:50] that's an estimate and it's going to
[3:07:51] change every year that one's out of your
[3:07:53] control uh but we look at those to make
[3:07:55] sure that they're consistent over time
[3:07:57] and that they're reasonable you know
[3:07:59] it's not reasonable to expense an asset
[3:08:01] that's going to last 20 years all in one
[3:08:03] year versus well we think it's going to
[3:08:05] last 100 years that's that's also not
[3:08:07] reasonable so we have to say okay here's
[3:08:10] what how long you should depreciate a
[3:08:12] fire truck
[3:08:14] um the reason being is it's really hard
[3:08:16] for you to plan for the future by
[3:08:19] looking at financial data it's
[3:08:21] historical when you have these big
[3:08:22] swings in financial data because of
[3:08:24] estimates because they can't change and
[3:08:27] if you change your methodology then it
[3:08:29] changes at the bottom line and then you
[3:08:30] go back and you can't get consistent
[3:08:33] data to plan for the future and so
[3:08:35] that's one of the reasons why we we talk
[3:08:37] a lot about it and we try to identify it
[3:08:39] and make sure that they're reasonable
[3:08:41] and that they're consistent over time
[3:08:43] there weren't any uncorrected
[3:08:45] misstatements there weren't any
[3:08:46] significant difficulties during the
[3:08:49] audit like I said we got all the
[3:08:51] information that we needed
[3:08:53] um I will it's probably a good time to
[3:08:54] talk about it
[3:08:56] um one of the reasons why the audit was
[3:08:57] late was because of the component units
[3:09:00] um we audit quite a few counties and
[3:09:02] this is a problem in every County I I'm
[3:09:06] giving you guys the charge or talking to
[3:09:08] you I've already talked to Gabe I talked
[3:09:10] to Clint
[3:09:11] um if you can push the component units
[3:09:13] to get their audits done
[3:09:15] before the June deadline I'm working on
[3:09:18] my end working through the state auditor
[3:09:20] to actually try and change the law so
[3:09:22] they have to be done by the end of May
[3:09:23] that gives them you know a 30-day grace
[3:09:26] period to be able to get them to you
[3:09:27] guys to be able to get your financial
[3:09:28] statements in on time but if you can
[3:09:30] push on your end to have them close
[3:09:34] their books right after the end of the
[3:09:35] year get with their Auditors it
[3:09:38] typically has been a problem in the past
[3:09:40] where
[3:09:42] um I would say the blame falls on us as
[3:09:45] cbas because a lot of the CPA firms in
[3:09:47] the state do tax season and then to do
[3:09:50] government audits in the summertime so
[3:09:51] they wait until after April 15th and
[3:09:54] then they go on vacation and so then
[3:09:55] it's May or June when they started in
[3:09:57] the audience well there's no way you can
[3:09:58] finish an audit that fast
[3:10:00] um and I'm working with a couple other
[3:10:02] CPA firms and we're trying to fix that
[3:10:04] we're trying to get to where the audits
[3:10:06] are being done earlier in the year
[3:10:08] because now it's October and and you're
[3:10:12] getting Financial reports that don't
[3:10:14] mean anything to you anymore but if you
[3:10:15] got them in February or March that means
[3:10:17] a whole lot more because it's relevant
[3:10:19] information you know and so if you can
[3:10:21] push on your end I would greatly
[3:10:23] appreciate it
[3:10:25] um and and we'll be involved we I know
[3:10:28] most of the Auditors for the component
[3:10:29] units and so I push on my end as well
[3:10:33] just just to clarify on that the
[3:10:36] component units that that's um
[3:10:37] specifically referring to our special
[3:10:39] service districts that you all serve on
[3:10:41] the boards for yeah that's right
[3:10:44] okay thank you so it's like I just met
[3:10:46] with Canyonlands just barely that's I
[3:10:48] was in a meeting with them before and so
[3:10:50] I talked to them it said look we're
[3:10:52] closing your books the end of February
[3:10:53] first part of March get your audit done
[3:10:55] you know we'll get it to the auditor so
[3:10:57] it's done EMS
[3:11:00] um I remember the other one's a bit late
[3:11:01] the song waste just was was late this
[3:11:04] year so a lot of the major ones are were
[3:11:07] significantly late so that's kind of
[3:11:09] what we were waiting on
[3:11:11] um disagreements with management there
[3:11:12] weren't any disagreements with
[3:11:13] management
[3:11:15] um management representation so we get a
[3:11:17] letter signed by management that is kind
[3:11:19] of a full disclosure letter so when I'm
[3:11:21] reviewing everything I'm reviewing our
[3:11:22] opinion I'm reviewing the financial
[3:11:23] statements I could be comfortable that
[3:11:25] our opinion is correct and that you've
[3:11:27] been forthcoming with any information
[3:11:28] that you have withheld anything and
[3:11:30] that's the purpose of that letter
[3:11:32] consultations with other accountants if
[3:11:33] there is a disagreement on an accounting
[3:11:35] principle or how we're handling a
[3:11:37] situation you're more than welcome to go
[3:11:39] talk to a third party auditor the only
[3:11:41] request is that we also have access to
[3:11:43] that same third party so that we can
[3:11:45] present our case and our understanding
[3:11:47] of what the code is or the accounting
[3:11:50] principle and then we can all get on the
[3:11:52] same page and we can move forward with
[3:11:53] the audit
[3:11:56] um
[3:11:58] yeah that's pretty much it so if you
[3:12:00] want to flip the page oh you're not on
[3:12:02] that match letter
[3:12:04] um the very last part of the management
[3:12:05] letter is the the findings
[3:12:07] um there weren't any internal control
[3:12:08] findings this year
[3:12:10] um and there were no State compliance
[3:12:11] findings this year so congratulate your
[3:12:14] staff or Pat them on the back they they
[3:12:15] do a good job
[3:12:17] um and then in a few years that I've
[3:12:19] worked with Cody on the internal control
[3:12:21] stuff I know that we've kind of cleaned
[3:12:23] stuff up and and had you do a lot of
[3:12:25] different things in the Management's
[3:12:27] offices the staff offices to be able to
[3:12:30] get to a point where there's not
[3:12:31] internal control findings
[3:12:34] um last year there were a couple of
[3:12:35] findings that we just have to address
[3:12:38] and give you the status on last year
[3:12:39] there was a excess budget
[3:12:43] so you went over budget last year
[3:12:46] and that was I don't know if you
[3:12:48] remember it was in the health department
[3:12:49] domestic violence fund Capital project
[3:12:51] fund and Healthcare however that appears
[3:12:54] to have been addressed and corrected
[3:12:56] there weren't any issues of that during
[3:12:58] 2021 and then deficit fund balance so
[3:13:01] last year domestic violence fund had a
[3:13:03] deficit fund balance it was a really
[3:13:04] small one
[3:13:06] but that was corrected this period as
[3:13:09] well so both of the prior findings are basically considered closed now
[3:13:14] you've addressed them correct them so
[3:13:17] is there any questions for me
[3:13:21] all right
[3:13:24] but basically we're okay yeah doing a
[3:13:27] good job doing better doing good job
[3:13:29] perfect but doing better great
[3:13:32] and to remind those or just to make
[3:13:34] clear to those who might have been
[3:13:35] underwear this is our first year working
[3:13:37] with uh John and his firm uh for our
[3:13:41] audit and I I think it's
[3:13:43] going to be really great moving forward
[3:13:45] for the financial health of the county
[3:13:48] um and I and I have to take a moment to
[3:13:51] thank the uh the clerk's office staff
[3:13:53] Christy Backus Janice Smith Janna Kyle
[3:13:55] uh Cassie Rose who's no longer with us
[3:13:58] uh Renee
[3:14:00] Treasurer Kaufman associate
[3:14:02] administrator Hall
[3:14:04] I'm probably missing some people too but
[3:14:06] it's a real team effort putting this
[3:14:08] together and working with John so yeah
[3:14:11] great yeah thank you Gabe and John okay
[3:14:15] thanks all right
[3:14:19] uh
[3:14:20] very educational um moving on Utah
[3:14:23] Geological Survey Madison Wetlands study
[3:14:26] presentation we have uh Catherine ladig
[3:14:29] from the Utah Geological Survey at
[3:14:32] groundwater and wetlands program
[3:14:36] welcome thanks for uh sitting through
[3:14:39] all that
[3:14:45] it's on the
[3:14:47] yeah yeah
[3:14:52] I read it
[3:15:00] I can probably start some uh Catherine
[3:15:03] lattice with uh Utah Geological Survey
[3:15:06] groundwater and wetlands program
[3:15:09] um and so uh we as a group are studying
[3:15:20] the maths in wetlands and we're looking
[3:15:22] at uh developing a water budget for the
[3:15:26] wetlands
[3:15:27] um and refining any that have been done
[3:15:29] in the past adding a lot more details
[3:15:32] um we're also looking at a brine layer
[3:15:33] that's underlying the fresh water in the
[3:15:36] Wetland or below the Wetland that's part
[3:15:39] of the valley full of aquifer
[3:15:41] um and then uh
[3:15:44] part of that we're looking at Spring
[3:15:46] Water there are Springs issuing from the
[3:15:49] Glen Canyon group east of Highway 191
[3:15:52] that feed fresh water to The Preserve so
[3:15:55] that's going to be really key we're
[3:15:57] looking at if there are fluctuations and
[3:15:59] those going on anything like that
[3:16:02] um and then the last bit we're looking
[3:16:04] at vegetation and trying to do some
[3:16:07] vegetation mapping we have a whole
[3:16:09] Wetlands group dedicated to that so
[3:16:11] they're going to be putting their
[3:16:12] efforts
[3:16:13] um without a fact uh kind of why that's
[3:16:16] important for Grand County to I guess is
[3:16:19] already touched on it so we're looking
[3:16:20] at two of the different aquifers that
[3:16:22] you guys rely on the Glen Canyon and the
[3:16:25] valley fill looking at how surface water
[3:16:28] is interacting with groundwater through
[3:16:30] there and as we're building this water
[3:16:32] budget that's specific to maps and
[3:16:35] wetlands you know there are pieces of
[3:16:36] that that are going to apply further
[3:16:39] into Spanish Valley
[3:16:42] um
[3:16:43] so uh
[3:16:46] there's maps in I need to start there so
[3:16:48] here's our field area
[3:16:50] um each of the orange dots on that map
[3:16:52] are well each of the blue uh little X's
[3:16:57] there crosses are a place where
[3:16:59] monitoring surface water
[3:17:01] um so we have really good coverage in
[3:17:03] The Preserve uh groundwater flow through
[3:17:05] this area is generally from the
[3:17:07] southwest sorry Southeast to Northwest
[3:17:11] flowing through
[3:17:13] um and so we're watching the flow again
[3:17:16] thinks that great spread of walls that
[3:17:19] are already out
[3:17:22] um you can
[3:17:25] um all right uh so uh like I was saying
[3:17:27] we're trying to watch for changes
[3:17:30] um in flow rate coming from the springs
[3:17:32] they sharing from that Glen canning
[3:17:34] group so uh here's a just a little chart
[3:17:37] that's showing some of the data points
[3:17:38] that we've collected so far on Flow
[3:17:40] rates
[3:17:42] um the gray triangles are watercress
[3:17:44] Springs Ranch
[3:17:47] and then we have duck puddles North and
[3:17:52] South which are two technically
[3:17:54] horizontal Wells Facebook strings and
[3:17:57] those were formerly called the water
[3:17:58] park
[3:18:01] great uh so on on the previous script
[3:18:04] how many years was the horizontal ax oh
[3:18:06] that was I think it's just over a year
[3:18:08] it starts in uh September 21. so
[3:18:16] uh so then my back like I said we have
[3:18:19] all this infrastructure already in place
[3:18:21] where we're able to monitor the
[3:18:23] groundwater
[3:18:24] um so we've placed pressure transducers
[3:18:26] and uh basically every wall that we
[3:18:28] could
[3:18:29] um and then we take hand measurements
[3:18:31] and the others about once a month
[3:18:33] um the pressure transducers those wire
[3:18:36] level measurements are giving you guys
[3:18:38] an idea of how the groundwater is
[3:18:39] fluctuating we can compare that with
[3:18:41] things like you know what's happening to
[3:18:43] the Colorado River at the same time
[3:18:46] Etc
[3:18:48] um one of the special things we have are
[3:18:50] eight transducers that are also
[3:18:51] measuring salinity though so that's what
[3:18:54] these graphs are showing
[3:18:56] um so the I think it's red yes Redline
[3:18:59] is the salinity curve and the blue line
[3:19:02] is the groundwater so we're seeing how
[3:19:05] the salinity in the well is changing or
[3:19:08] I think specific conductivity
[3:19:09] technically here but um
[3:19:12] for salinity uh
[3:19:14] with the groundwater
[3:19:17] thanks
[3:19:18] uh all right so uh touching just back on
[3:19:22] that brine layer
[3:19:23] um
[3:19:25] the origins of it are likely the Paradox
[3:19:27] formation and that's kind of shown here
[3:19:30] it's hard to see a little bit you can
[3:19:31] kind of see the Colorado River flowing
[3:19:34] across the top of the graphic there
[3:19:37] um and then all the blue is that Glen
[3:19:40] Canyon group sandstone and that's just
[3:19:44] kind of saying like that's what's at the
[3:19:45] surface for your Bedrock but that red is
[3:19:48] where your surface bed rock is the
[3:19:50] Paradox formation
[3:19:54] likely stores will be doing chemical
[3:19:56] analysis so
[3:19:59] um
[3:20:03] uh so to continue to get at that
[3:20:06] grindler I'm really try to constrain its
[3:20:10] location describe if it's fluctuating at
[3:20:12] all
[3:20:13] um we are looking at uh doing it or we
[3:20:17] have already done uh some
[3:20:19] electromagnetic induction logging and
[3:20:22] that's where they go it's David O'Leary
[3:20:24] with USGS is working with us on this and
[3:20:27] they actually put a probe down in the
[3:20:28] wells and they're looking at resistivity
[3:20:30] with death
[3:20:31] how that's changing this is really
[3:20:33] important for us because another way
[3:20:35] that we're going to look at those
[3:20:37] surface or you know the transition from
[3:20:39] freshwater to brine
[3:20:41] across the entire preserve is using
[3:20:43] transient electromagnetic surveys a
[3:20:46] whole mouthful but uh those are going to
[3:20:48] give us this planar view these give us
[3:20:51] points and we can use these points to
[3:20:52] calibrate that plane that we're
[3:20:55] developing
[3:20:57] um so again sorry I'll just rush through
[3:20:58] so you can go
[3:21:00] uh so this is what are these are
[3:21:03] examples of what the transient
[3:21:05] electromagnetic surveys produce
[3:21:08] um so kind of hard to see but the top
[3:21:11] two images are in that plan view map
[3:21:14] view so we have the resistivity
[3:21:18] essentially from zero to five meters and
[3:21:21] then you can see the difference between
[3:21:23] that image and the one to the right
[3:21:24] where it's at lower depth five to ten
[3:21:28] meters deep
[3:21:29] and then you can also develop cross
[3:21:31] sections to show ing the change in
[3:21:33] resistivity across a region in that
[3:21:36] would have solved so again those are
[3:21:39] just examples from elsewhere that's what
[3:21:40] we'll be incorporating
[3:21:43] um and like I said another bit is this
[3:21:45] vegetation mapping and so again
[3:21:46] everything we're doing is going to be
[3:21:49] able to be repeated whether it's by us
[3:21:52] or someone else down the line
[3:21:54] so the vegetation mapping is going to be
[3:21:59] using this National Wetlands inventory
[3:22:01] kind of method uh just tweaked a little
[3:22:05] bit for this area
[3:22:08] it'll establish some baseline conditions
[3:22:12] future look at how the vegetation might
[3:22:14] have changed
[3:22:15] it's also going to help us estimate
[3:22:18] about what transpiration which is a big
[3:22:20] part of that water
[3:22:22] how much water you know being lost to ET
[3:22:28] um and then they've already started oh
[3:22:31] if you flip back just quick
[3:22:34] uh so they have started doing some of
[3:22:37] that mapping so the squiggles on that
[3:22:39] map are lines that were delineated in
[3:22:42] the 80s and so you can see they're
[3:22:45] drawing lakes or ponds where there
[3:22:47] aren't ponds anywhere necessarily and
[3:22:49] then it's kind of hard to see but that
[3:22:51] brown isn't land surface it's actually
[3:22:54] showing like current canopy height which
[3:22:57] is indicating that the Woody vegetation
[3:23:05] all right uh so the fun part uh
[3:23:07] budgeting uh so we're proposing
[3:23:12] um to partner with Grand County on this
[3:23:14] in addition to our other partners
[3:23:17] um at a cost to Grant County of twenty
[3:23:20] two thousand dollars
[3:23:22] um that we would be matching and this is
[3:23:24] just in addition to our existing budget
[3:23:27] um so they're the total budget on there
[3:23:30] for this fiscal year was 139 000
[3:23:35] um and uh you know our partner total
[3:23:38] right now of that would be 62 000 ugs
[3:23:42] would be paying the rest
[3:23:44] um and then we propose also for fiscal
[3:23:47] year 24
[3:23:49] um that Grant County's contribution
[3:23:52] could be 12 000 again with me matching
[3:23:55] that
[3:23:58] um we could bump that all into a single
[3:24:02] proposal too for you
[3:24:08] who are those other offenders
[3:24:13] I know but uh so it's the Colorado River
[3:24:17] authority of Utah
[3:24:19] um yeah so we have Colorado River
[3:24:21] authority of Utah nature conservancy
[3:24:22] Wildlife Resources water rights
[3:24:31] oh
[3:24:33] um you kind of touched on this as like
[3:24:35] developing groundwater
[3:24:37] or the water budget for the mathesons
[3:24:40] but will this help us clarify kind of
[3:24:43] that big question for
[3:24:46] residents of Spanish Valley how much
[3:24:49] water
[3:24:50] do we have
[3:24:51] here to use so does this help clarify
[3:24:53] some of the discrepancies that were in
[3:24:55] the other studies that have been done
[3:24:59] I think it would be in addition to those
[3:25:03] and I think there's an aspect of this
[3:25:06] project I think there some of our
[3:25:09] partners are hoping that this project
[3:25:11] would expand
[3:25:13] um and that's just I mean
[3:25:14] out there
[3:25:16] uh you know there are no specific plans
[3:25:19] for that yet but um there have been
[3:25:20] conversations and I think that
[3:25:24] Factor
[3:25:24] would be more
[3:25:30] in that direction
[3:25:32] I was out there I went out there with
[3:25:35] the division and I think you were there
[3:25:37] when the division was out there there
[3:25:39] are also Hugh and so at least from my
[3:25:41] memory of that meeting was more like the
[3:25:44] concern of water in the wetlands for
[3:25:46] wildlife for example
[3:25:48] um but also I know
[3:25:50] to expand on that brine layer a little
[3:25:52] bit if my memory serves me there was
[3:25:54] some concerns about we don't really
[3:25:57] happening with that right there what
[3:25:59] could happen with that Brian Mayer so
[3:26:01] yeah maybe expand on that distance
[3:26:03] so there are concerns that if
[3:26:08] fresh wire availability changes that brine could fluctuate at which
[3:26:13] point yes you'd see
[3:26:14] possible impacts to the vegetation to
[3:26:18] water quality and then you know possibly
[3:26:21] salinating charts
[3:26:26] it's my understanding the brine layer
[3:26:28] could also threaten the cities water
[3:26:30] rights and sources of water so I'm
[3:26:33] curious whether the city is being
[3:26:34] courted as a partner and where they are
[3:26:36] on the with us
[3:26:40] or am I wrong
[3:26:52] so yeah nothing so far from the city hey
[3:26:55] we're aware they have a lot of a lot
[3:26:57] going on right
[3:27:00] so regarding what you asked before so
[3:27:03] yeah this is this will be a real major
[3:27:05] refinement of part of what the USGS did
[3:27:08] oh
[3:27:10] the the wetlands are kind of the end
[3:27:12] point of the groundwater system
[3:27:14] in the valley and so
[3:27:18] charge will reflect what's going on
[3:27:20] upgrading in the rest and then we also
[3:27:25] hope to are hoping to kind of provide
[3:27:27] some tools for wildlife and the nation
[3:27:30] for the long term
[3:27:32] management of the health of that
[3:27:34] preserved if their water supply is
[3:27:37] decreasing they need to know how much
[3:27:40] water they could put where to support
[3:27:42] the critical vegetation that forms that
[3:27:45] I know when we went there they were just
[3:27:47] finishing that Nursery is that correct
[3:27:50] for I can't remember what species yeah
[3:27:54] right so they built a little
[3:27:56] um kind of fry Nursery I don't know if
[3:27:58] I'm saying that appropriately
[3:28:01] yeah anyways so it's pretty cool but it
[3:28:05] needs water
[3:28:08] we monitor the flow right into that pond
[3:28:11] as well yes
[3:28:12] dispersed throughout there
[3:28:17] so I guess my questions related to some
[3:28:19] of these others but it seems like over
[3:28:21] the last few years we
[3:28:23] you know we've been asked to fund
[3:28:25] various studies about groundwater which makes sense but I'm just not sure
[3:28:29] how this one fits into the big picture
[3:28:31] like is like if we you know suppose we only
[3:28:35] had a hundred thousand dollars to spend
[3:28:37] studying the aquifer is this where we
[3:28:38] want to do it or is this really only
[3:28:40] affect the wetlands and doesn't affect
[3:28:42] our drinking water
[3:28:45] I think well to me but of course you
[3:28:48] know I'm a wildlife person I mean I
[3:28:50] think it's a more hole is a contribution
[3:28:53] to a wildfire for is this like
[3:28:55] preserving our
[3:28:56] I mean our water supply which which one
[3:28:59] is it well I think Chrissy's point to I
[3:29:02] mean
[3:29:08] applications that it could be to
[3:29:10] groundwater understandably it's the end
[3:29:13] of the line but
[3:29:17] about that
[3:29:20] would like to contribute
[3:29:25] right and have a yeah
[3:29:30] go ahead Mark
[3:29:35] is a uh so I appreciate what Catherine
[3:29:38] and Hugo presented and they have done a
[3:29:40] great job and we're excited about the
[3:29:43] information they're Gathering and to
[3:29:45] answer the question about how does this
[3:29:47] help us understand the groundwater
[3:29:50] rights and future development on those
[3:29:52] rights it's a critically important piece
[3:29:55] the 2019 USGS study was a big
[3:29:59] comprehensive picture
[3:30:01] that they didn't go into detail and they
[3:30:04] left us with a lot of questions that
[3:30:06] still need to be answered
[3:30:07] and one of them is down around the
[3:30:09] wetlands
[3:30:10] so the water that's passing through the
[3:30:12] wetlands currently
[3:30:14] underneath and and coming back into the
[3:30:16] bot into the end of Mill Creek
[3:30:18] and into the wetlands itself
[3:30:21] represents the water in the hydrologic
[3:30:24] system that might still be available for
[3:30:26] development by for instance Moab City or
[3:30:30] groundwater or San Juan County
[3:30:33] so understanding that Dynamic and
[3:30:36] whether or not that water can be pulled
[3:30:38] out without harming the wetlands is a
[3:30:41] very critical piece of information that
[3:30:44] we need
[3:30:45] as you know applications come in front
[3:30:47] of us and as development moves forward
[3:30:50] in in Moab Spanish Valley so I hope that
[3:30:54] helps
[3:30:56] yeah I think that helps Mark thanks
[3:30:58] how many years of data do you need mark
[3:31:04] okay you know we want and that was one
[3:31:07] of the important points that when we sat
[3:31:10] down with ugs in the beginning is
[3:31:12] there's been a lot of monitoring that's
[3:31:15] been done in the wetlands in the past
[3:31:17] but it was
[3:31:18] it hasn't been sustained and so we asked
[3:31:22] ugs that whatever they do they
[3:31:25] incorporate it into a long-term
[3:31:27] monitoring program
[3:31:28] so that these wells will continue to be
[3:31:31] monitored well past this study so it can
[3:31:34] help inform our decisions going forward
[3:31:37] and that that interaction between that
[3:31:39] freshwater layer and the brine layer is
[3:31:42] poorly understood and and Tom who's your
[3:31:45] next presenter is going to talk about
[3:31:47] trying to get a better understanding of
[3:31:49] that it's obviously
[3:31:52] uh the wetlands are an important piece
[3:31:54] of moab's identity
[3:31:56] and
[3:31:57] we'd like to do the best we can to make
[3:32:01] sure that as we look at decisions
[3:32:03] regarding water rights
[3:32:05] that we we take those
[3:32:08] um important points into consideration
[3:32:11] and and to do that we just need better
[3:32:13] and more data which is which is then
[3:32:16] which is the point of this study
[3:32:19] so in summary then it sounds like you're
[3:32:21] saying that Grant County's got you know
[3:32:23] some limited moderate budget to spend on
[3:32:25] better understanding our water supply
[3:32:27] this will be a good place to spend that
[3:32:29] money
[3:32:30] absolutely yep yeah there's three critical areas in Moab
[3:32:36] Spanish Valley that we identified as
[3:32:37] needing more research the wetlands area
[3:32:40] the area around the golf course
[3:32:43] and the area up around Ken's Lake
[3:32:46] so we've started down at
[3:32:48] the wetlands and we hope in the future
[3:32:50] to look at these other two areas as well
[3:32:55] um we can talk more about the budget and
[3:32:58] the actual funding of this during the
[3:32:59] action items
[3:33:01] um and just leave those up for
[3:33:02] presentation but those action items are
[3:33:04] coming okay yeah great thanks sir
[3:33:12] movement forward he gave me
[3:33:17] all right thank you so much thank you
[3:33:19] yeah thank you very much much
[3:33:22] appreciated
[3:33:28] all right our next uh report or
[3:33:30] presentation I'm sorry is uh Colorado
[3:33:32] River in maths and wetlands salinity
[3:33:34] study proposal uh Tom Marston
[3:33:37] investigations Chief with the USGS Utah
[3:33:40] water science center
[3:33:41] yeah
[3:33:44] hello everybody
[3:33:46] um clearly
[3:33:54] yeah as you said my name is Tom Marston
[3:33:56] um with USPS water science center an
[3:33:59] investigation is about here in public
[3:34:01] city sorry I can't either way
[3:34:05] actually Tom you're uh yeah your sound
[3:34:09] is coming across garbles a little bit
[3:34:11] thank you hey I wondered
[3:34:18] as well
[3:34:20] people
[3:34:39] sounds like your connection might be
[3:34:40] just a little bit slow
[3:34:52] really
[3:34:53] yeah
[3:35:04] okay
[3:35:12] you have a pretty severe echo in there
[3:35:16] yeah turn off your computer speaker
[3:35:23] I'm out now
[3:35:25] yeah that's better
[3:35:28] okay
[3:35:31] my name is
[3:35:36] I'm getting still some pretty bad
[3:35:38] feedback in there
[3:35:41] that sounded better
[3:35:46] okay
[3:35:48] let me investigations
[3:35:52] um
[3:36:00] you have to mute the presentation while
[3:36:04] you're speaking
[3:36:07] right right yeah try to mute your mic on your
[3:36:11] computer and just use your android
[3:36:13] computer speaker
[3:36:19] sorry that was that's me that was doing
[3:36:21] that you're right
[3:36:24] sorry technical that's better
[3:36:29] okay
[3:36:30] um yeah no I am the USGS liaison of the
[3:36:34] Colorado River salinity control Forum as
[3:36:36] well as the investigations Chief in Salt
[3:36:37] Lake City
[3:36:39] um and I will I will represent both
[3:36:41] functions um today
[3:36:43] um
[3:36:43] in terms of of the interest and and what
[3:36:47] I've am going to present and propose
[3:36:50] um let me share my screen real quick
[3:37:02] so as mentioned before uh by the Utah
[3:37:05] Geological Survey
[3:37:07] um
[3:37:09] The Brines that have exist in Spanish
[3:37:11] Valley have been known for quite a while
[3:37:15] um they've been sampled and studied now
[3:37:18] for for several decades and
[3:37:20] um
[3:37:21] and their overall impact uh
[3:37:25] on specifically the Colorado River have
[3:37:29] always been of interest to various
[3:37:31] groups in the region
[3:37:34] and there's been various efforts uh
[3:37:37] across the years that have looked at
[3:37:40] um
[3:37:40] that interface between the alluvial
[3:37:43] aquifers the freshwater aquifer and the high salinity brine associated
[3:37:49] with the Paradox formation that
[3:37:50] underlies it
[3:37:52] um as you can see in this figure this is
[3:37:54] a figure that's from a master's thesis
[3:37:57] uh completed in the at the University of
[3:38:00] Utah recently by Nora Nelson uh we find
[3:38:04] the the highest concentration of uh
[3:38:06] brines in Shallow Wells here in the
[3:38:09] north uh West portion of the wetlands as
[3:38:11] you get closer uh to the Colorado River
[3:38:15] um
[3:38:15] and in a very focused uh portion of the
[3:38:19] bank here just north of where Mill Creek
[3:38:21] discharges into the Colorado River
[3:38:25] um
[3:38:27] as I said before
[3:38:29] um the salinity control Forum has funded
[3:38:32] uh numerous studies looking at uh salt
[3:38:35] loading in the Colorado River
[3:38:38] um essentially in the whole upper Basin
[3:38:40] of the Colorado River one of one such
[3:38:42] study that was completed in the in the
[3:38:44] early 2000s was to conduct a water
[3:38:48] quality synoptic
[3:38:49] um or a series of sampling events down
[3:38:53] river at a similar discharge to look at
[3:38:57] Salt loading As you move down through
[3:38:59] the system and so this study was
[3:39:02] published in 2014
[3:39:05] what they found in this study which is
[3:39:08] shown in was not done all at one period
[3:39:11] in time just because floating the river
[3:39:13] takes time and sampling is rigorous
[3:39:17] but as you move down through
[3:39:19] um the area
[3:39:21] considered the Moab Valley Anna Klein on
[3:39:24] through past Mill Creek towards the Cane
[3:39:26] Creek Cane Creek and a plane we didn't
[3:39:29] see a huge uh rise in dissolved solid
[3:39:32] loads
[3:39:34] um
[3:39:35] which at the at the time of the Forum
[3:39:37] was comfortable uh not doing too much
[3:39:40] more investigation uh based on these
[3:39:43] findings
[3:39:45] essentially compartmentalizing this with
[3:39:48] a result of the Spanish Valley that was
[3:39:50] not contributing a whole lot of of salt
[3:39:52] to the river
[3:39:55] um
[3:39:56] here as of recent with the long-term
[3:39:59] drought uh that we've been uh
[3:40:01] experiencing in the in the upper Basin
[3:40:04] the Colorado River is has reached some
[3:40:07] near-record uh low flows uh especially
[3:40:10] over this last
[3:40:12] um
[3:40:13] winter
[3:40:14] and our office saw this as an
[3:40:17] opportunity
[3:40:18] to go and Sample at an extremely low
[3:40:21] flow in the Colorado River
[3:40:24] with the the idea that this would give
[3:40:26] us the best chance of seeing
[3:40:29] um any salt that was derived from the
[3:40:32] Paradox formation brines discharging
[3:40:35] into the Colorado River and so uh Chris
[3:40:37] Bukowski and his team went out and
[3:40:39] sampled in March earlier this year when
[3:40:42] the river was discharging at 2400 cubic
[3:40:45] feet per second at Cisco
[3:40:47] um and this was just an ad hoc type of a
[3:40:50] an exercise with a
[3:40:52] um a water quality Sun mounted to a
[3:40:55] weighted troll
[3:40:58] and we essentially were out fishing for
[3:41:02] salt
[3:41:03] um
[3:41:04] and
[3:41:06] what we the way that we kind of targeted
[3:41:08] our our ad hoc sampling was to use data
[3:41:12] that was produced by Phil Gardner
[3:41:15] um more than a decade ago in his
[3:41:17] master's thesis that identified areas he
[3:41:20] felt would be hot spots where uh Brian
[3:41:23] would potentially be discharging into
[3:41:25] the river and those were shown here on
[3:41:27] the figure there was also
[3:41:29] electromagnetic induction studies that
[3:41:32] were that were done uh with this past
[3:41:34] USGS study that identified this section
[3:41:37] of the bank of the Colorado River as a
[3:41:39] potential hot spot for where Brian may
[3:41:41] be discharging into the river
[3:41:44] and so Chris really kind of went out and
[3:41:46] targeted those areas uh with Point
[3:41:48] measurements and these uh measurements
[3:41:50] this is just a Google Earth image
[3:41:52] um with uh specific conductance
[3:41:55] um results uh plotted on on the map
[3:41:59] um as you come into the valley the the
[3:42:01] river uh has a conductive signature
[3:42:04] around 1440 micro Siemens per Center
[3:42:07] centimeter obviously there's some error
[3:42:10] associated with
[3:42:11] environmental sampling there's a scatter
[3:42:15] here but for the most part these are
[3:42:17] very consistent specific conductance
[3:42:19] readings all down through this section
[3:42:21] of the river and as you approach this bank that was identified by the
[3:42:25] electromagnetic inductance
[3:42:27] studies uh Chris was able to
[3:42:32] very uh
[3:42:34] positively identify areas of the river
[3:42:38] that were impacted by uh salt discharge
[3:42:42] from uh the brine layer of the masses
[3:42:44] and wetlands these um were persistent
[3:42:47] for uh the whole height of the water
[3:42:51] column on the Moab Bank of the river
[3:42:54] um and we're persistent all the way down
[3:42:57] through the Confluence with with Mill
[3:42:59] Creek he also took some
[3:43:02] um readings in the River Post Spanish
[3:43:06] Valley down here near the portal
[3:43:09] um and we see uh specific conductance
[3:43:11] values elevated uh essentially 10
[3:43:14] microsiemens uh per centimeter or more
[3:43:16] above what is coming into the valley now
[3:43:20] those you know those values seem you
[3:43:23] know not very large
[3:43:25] um but the the the load uh of salt
[3:43:30] required to raise uh 2500 cubic feet per
[3:43:34] second essentially 10 Micro Siemens per
[3:43:37] centimeter is not insignificant
[3:43:40] um and so this this finding is of of
[3:43:42] concern uh to various users uh in the
[3:43:46] region uh specifically those who
[3:43:48] participate in the Colorado River
[3:43:49] salinity control program
[3:43:53] and this is just a more zoomed in
[3:43:54] version of the previous
[3:43:56] um study or a previous
[3:43:58] um slide
[3:43:59] and so
[3:44:01] part of this uh proposed work is to go
[3:44:03] and actually do a quantitative measure
[3:44:06] of load
[3:44:07] um essentially replicate what Chris did
[3:44:09] in a much more rigorous way to actually
[3:44:12] calculate what the
[3:44:14] total load at low flow
[3:44:17] contribution of the Spanish Valley
[3:44:19] brines is to the river
[3:44:22] um
[3:44:23] that's of interest to The Forum and I
[3:44:25] think it's of interest to many other
[3:44:26] parties in addition to that the part of
[3:44:29] this proposal is to better uh is
[3:44:32] essentially fill data gaps identified by
[3:44:35] the Utah Geological Survey with their
[3:44:39] study
[3:44:40] and these polygons were produced by Utah
[3:44:43] Geological Survey as areas that could
[3:44:47] should be expanded in terms of
[3:44:49] additional monitoring Wells that should
[3:44:51] be installed in these areas
[3:44:54] to better refine their monitoring
[3:44:56] program as well as for us to better
[3:44:59] understand the surface of the of the
[3:45:02] freshwater brine interface
[3:45:04] based on the work that I just showed we
[3:45:06] would probably want additional wells in
[3:45:08] this area down here where we know based
[3:45:12] on Chris rockowski's work that we have a
[3:45:14] discharge of Brian into the river
[3:45:18] um
[3:45:19] you've been this uh distributed The
[3:45:21] Proposal that I've been working on
[3:45:24] um here for the last eight or nine
[3:45:26] months I presented
[3:45:28] um this to various
[3:45:30] user groups in the area the more on very
[3:45:32] water partnership city
[3:45:34] um and now the county
[3:45:37] um this is a Cooperative lease uh funded
[3:45:41] proposal
[3:45:43] um with half of well roughly half of the
[3:45:47] uh the proposed amount being funded by
[3:45:50] the uh salinity control program via a
[3:45:53] bureau of wreck that shows up here is
[3:45:55] the 60 67 500.
[3:45:59] um with uh the other half being split
[3:46:02] between the USGS and a conglomerate of
[3:46:06] Utah State Cooperators specifically the
[3:46:10] Utah State Engineers office as well as
[3:46:13] Water Resources
[3:46:15] so that's 45
[3:46:17] 000 is the total that would be
[3:46:21] um split between the Utah Cooperative
[3:46:23] agencies
[3:46:25] um the second part of it to drill all
[3:46:27] the monitoring Wells
[3:46:29] um there's also a small scale pump test
[3:46:33] associated with the new wells
[3:46:36] the pump test is designed to expand the
[3:46:39] understanding that we have the Utah
[3:46:42] Geological Survey has been working on to
[3:46:45] essentially see how susceptible the
[3:46:47] freshwater brine interface is to
[3:46:50] dewatering of the freshwater aquifer
[3:46:53] above it so it would be a very small
[3:46:56] scale test to look at that relationship
[3:46:58] but that would be included in this cost
[3:47:01] and with that I'll take questions
[3:47:18] um can you talk a little bit more about
[3:47:20] the pump test I am what what does that
[3:47:23] look like and what does it tell us
[3:47:27] well the pump test would essentially
[3:47:28] just be so we would uh Place one of
[3:47:32] these monitoring the new monitoring uh
[3:47:34] sites that would be drilled near an
[3:47:37] existing monitoring Network or a
[3:47:39] monitoring well so that we could look at
[3:47:44] um I mean the original proposal was to
[3:47:47] do this at a much larger scale
[3:47:49] um there's a lot of red tape associated
[3:47:51] with doing a large scale pump test as
[3:47:53] well as environmental concerns that
[3:47:55] close to Wetlands
[3:47:57] um and so we
[3:47:58] um we throttled that back a little bit
[3:48:01] um to not have to to deal with that in
[3:48:04] the on the front go of this but
[3:48:06] essentially dewatering if
[3:48:09] how this interface
[3:48:12] changes uh relative to how much fresh
[3:48:16] water uh
[3:48:20] how much fresh groundwater sits above
[3:48:22] the brine is unknown
[3:48:24] this is the
[3:48:26] uh
[3:48:27] piece of of all of this work that our
[3:48:31] office did as well as ugs has done that
[3:48:34] is really unknown and makes uh some
[3:48:37] folks a little uneasy that it
[3:48:40] if fresh water consumption
[3:48:42] um in the valley were to increase would
[3:48:45] that change the elevation of the
[3:48:47] freshwater brine interface in the in the
[3:48:50] wetlands and with that change in in
[3:48:54] elevation uh an increased discharge of
[3:48:56] Brian into the river so the pump test is
[3:48:58] supposed to mimic that phenomenon on a
[3:49:01] small scale
[3:49:04] thank you
[3:49:15] so this uh proposal really is goes to um
[3:49:18] look at the salinity levels in the
[3:49:20] Colorado more than anything else where's
[3:49:21] the other one is does that make sense
[3:49:23] Mary
[3:49:24] yeah
[3:49:28] it's both because well there's also is
[3:49:30] that five new one new monitoring Wells
[3:49:31] that would
[3:49:34] that which we make the logo match
[3:49:37] correct
[3:49:39] and would those have long-term data
[3:49:42] collections
[3:49:43] associated
[3:49:45] they would be added to the ugf network
[3:49:48] um
[3:49:50] and for as long as ugs plans to monitor
[3:49:54] them I do I can say this on behalf of
[3:49:58] the Forum
[3:49:59] um they themselves are very interested
[3:50:02] in the long-term monitoring program
[3:50:04] associated with this
[3:50:07] so this would dovetail with the ugs
[3:50:09] study
[3:50:11] and correct expand it sounds like so it
[3:50:14] does they do
[3:50:19] and Mark would you chime in here or is
[3:50:22] are is your office gonna participate in
[3:50:25] the co-op match
[3:50:27] we are encouraging them to yes
[3:50:30] um I would like to see our office put
[3:50:32] some money into this we're stretched
[3:50:34] pretty thin right now but we're
[3:50:36] continuing to advocate for it
[3:50:38] um what Thomas proposed is again goes to
[3:50:42] the heart of the question if we develop
[3:50:44] more fresh water
[3:50:45] groundwater up the valley is it going to
[3:50:48] somehow impact
[3:50:50] the wetlands you know if we remove more
[3:50:53] of the freshwater layer
[3:50:55] that's sitting on top of the brine
[3:50:57] what's going to happen well we don't
[3:50:59] know the answer to that question
[3:51:01] and so that's what we're trying to get
[3:51:03] at with these type of studies
[3:51:06] um this is an important question to
[3:51:09] answer for both Moab City Grand county
[3:51:11] and San Juan County there's a limited
[3:51:13] amount of groundwater left to use
[3:51:15] and
[3:51:17] if the major water users stakeholders in
[3:51:21] the in the valley want to continue to
[3:51:23] develop it
[3:51:24] we would like to do so in a in a manner
[3:51:27] that doesn't
[3:51:28] negatively impact
[3:51:31] the wetlands and other water users and
[3:51:34] the Colorado River for that matter too
[3:51:36] yeah Mary uh how long do these studies
[3:51:41] go before we get any uh report as to
[3:51:44] what is learned
[3:51:47] how many over how many years
[3:51:54] the synoptic study essentially in the
[3:51:56] river we would have data back quickly so
[3:51:59] that work was proposed to start this
[3:52:01] winter
[3:52:03] um the drilling uh side of this really
[3:52:06] hinges on Drillers scheduled
[3:52:08] um and with uh drought in the west uh
[3:52:12] Drillers are under incredible time right
[3:52:15] now
[3:52:17] okay
[3:52:19] we've already marked we've already
[3:52:21] broached this so the city of Moab has
[3:52:24] been approached has San Juan County been
[3:52:26] approached to be a partner in these and maybe I just missed it I'm sorry
[3:52:30] yes both Moab City and San Juan County
[3:52:33] have been approached and both have said
[3:52:36] yes kind of so we need to go back to him
[3:52:39] again
[3:52:40] and uh and do just what we're doing here
[3:52:43] get in a commission meeting with them
[3:52:47] it's an important issue and it's an
[3:52:49] important question and you need to be a
[3:52:51] partner in it
[3:52:52] so they have not written a check is what
[3:52:54] you're saying correct yeah
[3:52:59] we'll be the leaders yeah sure
[3:53:03] yeah you guys are always the leaders on
[3:53:06] it
[3:53:08] I'm very good we appreciate it
[3:53:18] yeah sorry
[3:53:20] people that are watching them sure I I
[3:53:23] just wanted to add that uh in terms of
[3:53:25] when the information will be available
[3:53:27] for our project uh we're looking at
[3:53:30] early 2024 early to mid 20s publishing
[3:53:34] the final
[3:53:35] results and that will include
[3:53:36] recommendations for ongoing
[3:53:39] that's that's thank you great thank you
[3:53:43] [Music]
[3:53:45] all right any other questions for Tom or
[3:53:48] Mark
[3:53:52] all right looks like um yeah looks like
[3:53:54] that's it thank you so much guys thank
[3:53:57] you thanks Mark yeah
[3:54:03] okay all right
[3:54:06] okay moving on that is it for
[3:54:09] presentations we're uh we don't have any
[3:54:12] agency reports we are up to
[3:54:16] uh ratification of payment of bills uh
[3:54:19] total Grant County bills the amount of
[3:54:22] 630
[3:54:24] 359.38 uh total Grand cany payroll in
[3:54:28] the amount of 323
[3:54:30] 870.60 for uh total bills and payroll in
[3:54:34] the amount of nine hundred fifty four
[3:54:36] thousand two hundred twenty nine dollars
[3:54:38] and 98 cents so moved extra second
[3:54:43] all right any discussion on bills
[3:54:47] saying no no call for a vote on the
[3:54:48] motion all in favor
[3:54:50] motion passes seven to nothing
[3:54:54] all right
[3:55:01] um we are up to General reports
[3:55:04] commission member disclosures anybody
[3:55:06] have anything that they need to disclose
[3:55:08] about uh today's agenda
[3:55:12] yes Josie oh I will uh generally
[3:55:15] disclose that in discussion and possible
[3:55:18] motions around special events and
[3:55:20] special events ordinance that I am
[3:55:21] employed by a special event in town and
[3:55:25] one that is in consideration for the
[3:55:27] quarterly ITA review
[3:55:29] I've been the mode of Music Festival
[3:55:31] great thanks Josie Sarah
[3:55:34] um my sister has is one of the
[3:55:37] applicants listed for receiving funds
[3:55:39] from the star star grants
[3:55:42] thank you
[3:55:44] all right
[3:55:46] um
[3:55:47] General commissioner reports in future
[3:55:48] considerations and uh
[3:55:50] see I'll start with the other end over
[3:55:53] there Sarah
[3:55:56] all right I had a lot going on but not
[3:55:59] many meetings
[3:56:00] um
[3:56:03] oh yes I attended the free health clinic
[3:56:06] tour and what an amazing resource for
[3:56:08] the community it's so exciting and it's
[3:56:11] nice just to see that space being
[3:56:14] developed
[3:56:15] um
[3:56:16] yeah
[3:56:17] it was amazing
[3:56:20] and that's all yeah all right perfect
[3:56:24] Kevin
[3:56:26] um I have attended a couple of budget
[3:56:29] advisory report meetings since we last
[3:56:31] spoke but I will not bore you with the
[3:56:33] details we'll get to review that later
[3:56:36] um and I think other things I've been
[3:56:38] working on are be going to be covered in
[3:56:40] other agent items
[3:56:41] great thanks Kevin Josie
[3:56:45] yeah just a couple things
[3:56:47] um on the 10th I attended the
[3:56:50] candlelight vigil at City Hall
[3:56:53] um for indigenous people's day but more
[3:56:55] specifically
[3:56:56] um to uh
[3:57:00] to honor uh missing and murdered
[3:57:02] indigenous women which is a ongoing
[3:57:05] issue that was wonderful to Spotlight uh
[3:57:08] the next day on the 11th I also went on
[3:57:10] the kind of new Health Campus tour with
[3:57:12] the Moab free health clinic and I Echo
[3:57:14] what Sarah said that it's just really
[3:57:17] exciting I think that that spot nothing
[3:57:20] better could have happened at that
[3:57:22] location and I think that they are
[3:57:24] thinking big and
[3:57:25] um and kind of throwing that intention
[3:57:28] out there and then getting the financial
[3:57:30] support and the actual you know means to
[3:57:33] do it and so I think it's incredibly
[3:57:34] exciting and I can't wait to see how it
[3:57:37] all shapes up and it's moving pretty
[3:57:38] fast I would say
[3:57:40] um
[3:57:41] things don't always
[3:57:43] um and then the next day on the 12th
[3:57:47] um the events committee kind of worked
[3:57:51] through initially the intent to apply
[3:57:54] process which we are which we've already
[3:57:57] talked about for a couple hours in which
[3:57:59] we will talk about further in the
[3:58:01] meeting and
[3:58:03] um let's see the Four Corners Community
[3:58:06] Health board meeting is still yet to
[3:58:08] come but if you haven't seen their
[3:58:10] Flyers they're having a 50th anniversary
[3:58:13] celebration by screening a free movie in
[3:58:16] Suwannee Park I believe they are showing
[3:58:17] Greece and want people to dress up
[3:58:19] accordingly and that's on October 28th
[3:58:22] at 7 pm
[3:58:25] greases that we said Greece
[3:58:28] awesome
[3:58:34] I'll try to keep mine quick uh Cemetery
[3:58:38] had their uh new board member and their
[3:58:41] first meeting so that was nice to uh get
[3:58:44] to meet them and kind of bring them up
[3:58:45] to speed with kind of General operations
[3:58:48] and uh what the board does uh the big
[3:58:51] takeaway from that meeting was concerns
[3:58:54] around flooding in the cemetery there
[3:58:57] was some damage done at the first flood
[3:58:59] and then in subsequent rainstorms there
[3:59:01] has been additional flooding so uh some
[3:59:04] repairs have been put on hold and
[3:59:07] um the road department has been out
[3:59:09] there kind of working on some of the
[3:59:11] culverts uh which are adjacent to Sunset
[3:59:14] Memorial and hopefully that that
[3:59:16] addresses some of the flooding that's
[3:59:18] been happening
[3:59:20] uh which has unfortunately led to Sunken
[3:59:23] Graves uh
[3:59:25] tilted headstones and the like and so
[3:59:28] hopefully we can get that dialed in so
[3:59:30] that that's uh not a ongoing issue with
[3:59:33] additional rains and now with the health
[3:59:36] department the health district we had a
[3:59:39] the same presentation from the free
[3:59:41] health clinic that we had at at our
[3:59:44] previous meeting
[3:59:45] um and they're just and the health
[3:59:49] district is working on their budget
[3:59:52] season so those meetings will be uh have
[3:59:54] been posted as open public meetings uh
[3:59:56] they'll be going on the next few weeks
[3:59:59] and uh presented at the the November
[4:00:03] regular scheduled meeting uh met with uh
[4:00:07] Ems for today
[4:00:09] um they approved adopted I forget the
[4:00:13] term my apologies that started early
[4:00:16] this morning uh their tentative budget
[4:00:19] for 2023.
[4:00:21] um
[4:00:21] there was some good moves made to try to
[4:00:26] cover some of the gaps in Staffing and
[4:00:29] there was a discussion around
[4:00:31] a cola there with no final decision made
[4:00:36] on on what that amount would be just yet
[4:00:39] or nothing set in stone I should say
[4:00:42] I believe that that's all I got
[4:00:45] great thanks Trish I just had the only
[4:00:48] thing I did was I went to a flood relief
[4:00:50] meeting with Ben and that was it and I
[4:00:52] went hunting all right I've been a
[4:00:54] slacker
[4:00:56] Mary
[4:00:58] um on the I went on the same tour
[4:01:02] it was wonderful uh on the 11th it was
[4:01:05] travel council meeting at meeting and
[4:01:08] they discussed the priorities for their
[4:01:10] budget for next year uh the they have a
[4:01:14] good board they were very active and
[4:01:16] engaged so that was great to see uh
[4:01:20] budget advisory
[4:01:23] um
[4:01:23] go through all that the site future
[4:01:27] committee for the umtra project had
[4:01:30] their first meeting
[4:01:32] ah I attended it sporadically
[4:01:35] by zoom and uh had a meeting with San
[4:01:39] Juan County city of Moab and
[4:01:42] the three entities to talk about where
[4:01:46] we
[4:01:47] need to work together in the future and
[4:01:50] one thing we talked we talked about two
[4:01:52] things uh this fire department and also the noise from those machines
[4:01:58] that fly over
[4:02:01] motorized paragliders motorized
[4:02:03] parathiders and uh
[4:02:05] if we have a do an ordinance in Moab we
[4:02:10] have to make sure
[4:02:11] it fits into Northern San Juan
[4:02:14] so that's it
[4:02:16] yeah everyone's doing a good job with
[4:02:18] that I'll try to continue in the same
[4:02:20] vein
[4:02:21] um I attended a trail mix meeting
[4:02:23] um where we mostly discussed aspects of
[4:02:25] the labyrinth uh Gemini travel
[4:02:27] management plan as it pertained to the
[4:02:30] kind of the different user groups that
[4:02:32] make up trail mix
[4:02:34] um and I missed a couple of meetings I
[4:02:37] missed the tssd meeting in the motorist
[4:02:40] Trail committee meeting because I was in
[4:02:42] Cedar at the one Utah Summit put on by
[4:02:44] Governor Cox
[4:02:45] and uh that was my first real Excursion
[4:02:48] on behalf of Grand County and I thought
[4:02:51] it was great I I got a lot out of it
[4:02:53] made some connections and just kind of
[4:02:55] was able to see Grant County a little
[4:02:58] bit more as part of the the whole the
[4:03:00] big state
[4:03:01] um and uh look forward to continuing
[4:03:03] doing that kind of thing and and making
[4:03:06] connections at the at the state level
[4:03:08] for sure
[4:03:10] and uh I also along with Mary and Kevin
[4:03:13] uh attended the joint San Juan County
[4:03:16] mob uh Grant County meeting yesterday
[4:03:19] and
[4:03:20] that's it short and sweet too
[4:03:23] so it is just after six o'clock so it's
[4:03:26] time for our second uh substance to be
[4:03:28] heard session is there anyone in the
[4:03:30] chamber who'd like to come forward and
[4:03:32] uh be heard
[4:03:35] is there anyone on Zoom who is uh
[4:03:38] present to make a comment
[4:03:44] doesn't look like it so we will move on
[4:03:49] to elected official reports
[4:03:52] um Gabe foreign
[4:03:55] Utah Summit last week I saw Jacques
[4:03:59] there
[4:04:00] um my main purpose in attending that
[4:04:03] Summit was because I concluded my
[4:04:07] experience in the
[4:04:09] inaugural group of the governor's office
[4:04:12] rural Utah Leadership Academy Utah rural
[4:04:16] Leadership Academy yeah that's it urla
[4:04:19] so I got to have dinner with the
[4:04:20] lieutenant governor and the governor one
[4:04:21] more time and and sort of uh make
[4:04:24] solidify the contacts that I made in
[4:04:26] that program and overall it was a really
[4:04:29] worthwhile experience and I think the
[4:04:31] governor's office in Southern Utah
[4:04:33] University for facilitating
[4:04:37] um I'm not sure who the grand represent
[4:04:39] representative might be this year I
[4:04:41] guess I have to confirm that
[4:04:43] um
[4:04:44] other than that public logic inaccuracy
[4:04:47] test was completed yesterday at 2PM so
[4:04:51] that's where we tested and um
[4:04:55] verified the proper functioning of all
[4:04:59] of the election equipment in our case is
[4:05:00] the express vote which is the name of
[4:05:02] our voting machine that we'll have out
[4:05:05] on the lobby as well as the ds-200 which
[4:05:08] is our tabulator and that's what we use
[4:05:10] to tabulate and comp up all the votes we
[4:05:13] run the ballots through those scanners
[4:05:17] um
[4:05:17] and as far as the election goes yeah
[4:05:20] there's a lot going on in my office with
[4:05:22] regards to that lot building up
[4:05:25] um I do know that
[4:05:27] the ballots we were sent to the post
[4:05:31] office at the end of day yesterday in
[4:05:34] Phoenix Arizona that doesn't mean they
[4:05:35] were mailed out yesterday because 18th
[4:05:38] today was the first day they could be
[4:05:39] mailed out
[4:05:40] but I would wouldn't be surprised if
[4:05:43] they were getting to Salt Lake already
[4:05:45] by this time and maybe who knows maybe
[4:05:48] your mailbox you know they'll be in
[4:05:50] mailboxes this week I'm quite certain of
[4:05:52] it I bet I can't make any promises of
[4:05:54] that of course okay
[4:05:56] and that's all I have thanks Gabe and it
[4:06:00] looks like our County attorney Sloan is
[4:06:02] actually I had a question for oh sure
[4:06:04] sorry Kevin so um yes sorry to Spring
[4:06:07] this on you in a meeting rather than via
[4:06:09] an email but have your do you think it'd
[4:06:12] be maybe at the next commission meeting
[4:06:14] just giving like a 10-minute summary of
[4:06:17] just all the election procedures and
[4:06:18] things like that I mean you know there's
[4:06:21] a lot of interest in those things and my
[4:06:23] experience has been the people who watch
[4:06:25] elections up close either in Grant
[4:06:27] County or San Juan County anywhere are
[4:06:29] impressed by all the the care that's
[4:06:32] taken to make sure that you know it's
[4:06:34] accurate and
[4:06:35] stuff so I just wanted to you don't have
[4:06:38] to respond but I was just throughout the
[4:06:39] idea that it might be good to
[4:06:41] publicize that more than it has been in
[4:06:43] the past thanks for this suggestion I'd
[4:06:45] be happy to
[4:06:47] all right all right uh Christina
[4:06:51] I did want to give a quick update mostly
[4:06:53] I've been home with covid so that has
[4:06:54] not been fun but I did get our answer to
[4:06:58] the Blue Ribbon Coalition and local ATV
[4:07:00] business complaint filed yesterday and
[4:07:04] we've created a new tab on the Grand
[4:07:06] County Attorney's website where we're
[4:07:07] gonna upload all the feedings and the
[4:07:10] discovery process is going to be really
[4:07:12] long but I expect some interesting
[4:07:14] information come out of that so I also
[4:07:16] plan to create a discovery tab so that
[4:07:18] the community can go there look at a
[4:07:21] bunch of different documentation related
[4:07:22] to the lawsuit so that that portion of
[4:07:27] the website is grandcountyutah.net
[4:07:30] slash attorney on the left side of the
[4:07:33] page there's some different links to
[4:07:36] different departments the county
[4:07:37] attorney's office is responsible for
[4:07:39] including the CJC and the Family Sports
[4:07:41] Center underneath that you're going to
[4:07:43] see Blue Ribbon Coalition there and if
[4:07:46] you click on that you'll see a little
[4:07:48] summary about the litigation and also
[4:07:50] the pleadings filed so far so that's the
[4:07:53] complaint and the answer I'll keep
[4:07:55] updating it
[4:07:57] thank you
[4:07:59] all right thank you
[4:08:01] um just look like there's any other
[4:08:03] electives on so uh commission
[4:08:06] administrator Mallory
[4:08:09] um I don't have much to report that
[4:08:11] hasn't been covered or won't be covered
[4:08:14] so okay Quinn do you have anything you
[4:08:16] wanted to report
[4:08:17] okay
[4:08:24] uh let's move on to the approval of
[4:08:26] minutes for the October 4th uh 2022
[4:08:29] County Commission regular meeting and
[4:08:31] the joint Planning Commission Workshop
[4:08:35] I make a motion to prove the minutes for
[4:08:38] October 4th 2022 regular meeting and
[4:08:42] Joint Planning Commission Workshop
[4:08:44] thanks Josh
[4:08:47] I'll second all right I have a motion to
[4:08:51] prove the minutes by uh commissioner
[4:08:53] Hadid and the second by commissioner
[4:08:54] Walker any discussion of the minutes
[4:08:58] seeing none will call for a vote all
[4:08:59] those in favor of approving the minutes
[4:09:02] and that passes uh six to nothing
[4:09:04] unanimously with commissioner began
[4:09:06] absent
[4:09:08] um
[4:09:09] all right we are on to General business
[4:09:12] action items uh and we'll start with
[4:09:15] item a Cooperative funding request from
[4:09:18] UTS for maths and wetlands study and
[4:09:21] presenting is commissioner stock
[4:09:24] luckily we had some
[4:09:27] x uh
[4:09:30] essentially
[4:09:32] coming to us for Cooperative funding
[4:09:34] requests
[4:09:35] um to help fund these studies
[4:09:38] and I wanted to give you guys a little
[4:09:40] background we have money budgeted and
[4:09:42] the commission discretionary fund
[4:09:45] and what we had set aside I got the
[4:09:48] breakdown from Chris
[4:09:49] um was fifteen thousand dollars for the
[4:09:51] pack Creek gauge which we spent this
[4:09:53] year we spent um
[4:09:55] 16 500.
[4:09:57] and
[4:09:59] 9600 of that is an ongoing expense
[4:10:04] for maintenance of that
[4:10:06] so next year they'll be that
[4:10:08] um and then we set aside ten thousand
[4:10:10] dollars for groundwater monitoring and
[4:10:13] seventy thousand dollars for monitoring
[4:10:15] Wells and all of this happened before we
[4:10:19] joined the National groundwater
[4:10:21] monitoring Network or before we were
[4:10:23] allowed to join
[4:10:25] we received a grant to be able to join
[4:10:28] the National groundwater monitoring
[4:10:29] Network and so I think when I had set
[4:10:34] aside 70 000 for monitoring Wells
[4:10:37] it was before we even knew of it
[4:10:39] existence or are like that we could
[4:10:41] actually apply for that program and in
[4:10:44] the long term that program will open
[4:10:46] this up to a world of funding for future
[4:10:48] groundwater monitoring Wells
[4:10:50] um and it just takes a few years to get
[4:10:54] established and then to identify your
[4:10:56] needs before you can do that so rather
[4:10:59] than diving right into
[4:11:01] putting out an RFP for somebody to study
[4:11:04] where we need a new monitoring well
[4:11:05] Americans like I just go for it I
[4:11:09] thought it would be better to just go
[4:11:11] through the national groundwater
[4:11:12] monitoring process and apply for future
[4:11:14] funds
[4:11:15] through that organization
[4:11:18] um so we have
[4:11:21] basically we have eighty thousand
[4:11:22] dollars kind of set aside Loosely for
[4:11:24] water monitoring water monitoring Wells
[4:11:26] that we're free to use and we don't have
[4:11:28] to use but that's there it was a little
[4:11:31] confused about their ask because there
[4:11:33] was a couple numbers so can you kind of
[4:11:36] clarify exactly what they're asking for
[4:11:38] right now for the Matheson study yeah
[4:11:42] um they're looking for
[4:11:45] 22
[4:11:47] 111 for this fiscal year okay their
[4:11:51] fiscal year
[4:11:54] yeah and then twelve thousand dollars
[4:11:56] for the next fiscal year
[4:11:59] something that Chris had brought up is
[4:12:01] that
[4:12:02] because our finances are great
[4:12:04] for this last year were
[4:12:07] we just we have the budget but next year
[4:12:11] our budget perhaps is going to be a
[4:12:13] little bit tighter yeah and so I had the
[4:12:16] thought if we feel inclined to fund the
[4:12:18] study we could just do it all this year
[4:12:20] because we have the money and that's
[4:12:21] what Chris suggested
[4:12:24] so base 34 111. yeah and just right now
[4:12:30] yeah and I mean we could talk about if
[4:12:32] that makes sense to fund that entire
[4:12:34] amount or a lesser amount
[4:12:37] I think it's a great study I mean it
[4:12:39] seems like like Mark was saying it's an
[4:12:42] essential piece to this puzzle that
[4:12:45] is very important for us to answer and
[4:12:48] as like Graham County why would Graham
[4:12:50] County fund this I think
[4:12:52] based on the fact that a lot of
[4:12:55] additional development as possible in
[4:12:57] Graham County and we're trying to do the
[4:12:59] right thing with lining our land use
[4:13:01] code to water use what we need though
[4:13:05] really is like Baseline data and the way
[4:13:07] to get that is through paying for these
[4:13:09] studies and
[4:13:11] so that's why I think it's it makes a
[4:13:14] lot of sense I guess the question I had
[4:13:16] I agree these studies are worthwhile and
[4:13:19] but I was a little bit confused about
[4:13:21] just how the costs are going to be in
[4:13:22] portioned between Grand County and Moab
[4:13:24] City and in other entities and maybe I
[4:13:27] wasn't paying close enough attention
[4:13:28] during the no what was it we're eating
[4:13:31] it okay
[4:13:32] yeah yeah with this one it seems like
[4:13:35] the city is not inclined to fund the
[4:13:37] Mathis and study at this time but though
[4:13:39] I'm not sure if they've made a final
[4:13:41] right final answer on that one okay so maybe we should just you know make a
[4:13:46] note to ourselves and next next time
[4:13:48] there's a studies funded we can find out
[4:13:50] right all three
[4:13:52] or alternatively we could say you know
[4:13:55] we'll fund up to a certain amount but
[4:13:57] encourage the coordinators of the study
[4:14:00] to make the same presentation of Moab
[4:14:02] City and things like that so that
[4:14:05] yeah and I mean
[4:14:07] the division of water right so it's
[4:14:10] contributed
[4:14:12] um
[4:14:13] yeah I could so the city of Moab has
[4:14:16] some of the oldest water rides in the
[4:14:17] valley and they're also the place where
[4:14:19] probably the less new water use is gonna
[4:14:24] right be required or less water is going
[4:14:27] to be required for future development
[4:14:30] so in a way Moab city is
[4:14:33] they're sitting on their old water
[4:14:35] rights and they're like we're here and
[4:14:36] we're gonna do what we are doing they're
[4:14:38] kind of a steady Force whereas Grant
[4:14:39] County there's more room for development
[4:14:41] I think it's Our obligation
[4:14:43] to help fund the studies that show us
[4:14:46] what our Baseline is that we're even
[4:14:48] working against
[4:14:49] um so that's where I kind of understand
[4:14:51] maybe why the city of Moab
[4:14:56] I'd rather that they fund
[4:14:58] a co-op match with this but I I do think
[4:15:01] it's our responsibility as as counting
[4:15:03] with the newer water rights but in in
[4:15:06] that same regard I think that San Juan
[4:15:10] Spanish Valley Special Service District
[4:15:13] should also be contributing funding to
[4:15:16] these studies
[4:15:19] I'm gonna go ahead and make a motion
[4:15:23] um
[4:15:24] so I moved to improve the Cooperative
[4:15:27] funding request
[4:15:30] um an expedient expediating funding that would make any did I just make that
[4:15:35] up explain it
[4:15:37] I expedite sorry about that the funding
[4:15:40] for 2023 and take it out of this year's
[4:15:42] budget for a total amount of thirty four
[4:15:44] thousand one hundred and eleven dollars
[4:15:47] for our fiscal year 2022.
[4:15:51] and then authorize the chair to sign all
[4:15:54] future documents that's not necessary
[4:15:56] anymore oh it's not okay even if they
[4:15:59] have to do an mlu we put it in our
[4:16:00] bylaws that it's assumed sorry I used to
[4:16:05] have to say it after every solution
[4:16:10] um thank you Trish all second all right
[4:16:12] I'm a motion by Trish in a second by
[4:16:13] Sarah any further discussion on this
[4:16:15] yeah I would just you know we're talking
[4:16:17] about entities who who uh aren't
[4:16:20] contributing at this time but there are
[4:16:22] a lot of other entities who are and so
[4:16:25] this this study isn't being funded
[4:16:28] solely by Grand counties this and I
[4:16:31] think it's nice to be a contributing
[4:16:33] member and as this is a a one-time
[4:16:36] expenditure and we we have uh the
[4:16:40] availability to do that in this year's
[4:16:43] budget I'm okay with it
[4:16:46] yeah well
[4:16:48] all right any more discussion seeing
[4:16:51] none I'll call for a vote all in favor
[4:16:52] of the motion raise your hand
[4:16:54] motion passes seven to nothing
[4:16:57] all right we'll move on to agenda Item B
[4:17:01] Cooperative funding request from the
[4:17:03] USGS for salinity studies and again back
[4:17:06] to uh commissioner stock
[4:17:08] okay so this one
[4:17:10] um like we heard from Tom Marston is a
[4:17:12] USGS study kind of in a similar realm
[4:17:16] they're in the Mathis sense but they're
[4:17:17] asking slightly different questions and
[4:17:20] adding some monitoring Wells
[4:17:22] part of this
[4:17:24] clearly is
[4:17:26] very important to Downstream water users
[4:17:28] the salinity load in the Colorado River
[4:17:31] and that's why the Colorado River
[4:17:33] salinity Forum has agreed to fund almost
[4:17:36] 67
[4:17:38] 000
[4:17:40] 500 towards new monitoring Wells but
[4:17:43] they need a local co-op match and the
[4:17:45] USGS can be a part of that but they need
[4:17:48] then local matches in order to
[4:17:52] at that funding so
[4:17:55] um I put in here basically
[4:17:57] when I put 19
[4:17:59] 361 that was kind of like the cap that
[4:18:02] gets us to seventy thousand dollars of
[4:18:03] spending
[4:18:05] this year on on these studies
[4:18:08] so
[4:18:09] I think we should probably do less than
[4:18:11] that um
[4:18:14] but I do think it's a good study and
[4:18:16] it's a benefit that we get monitoring
[4:18:19] wells in the pump test
[4:18:23] what was was there ask forty five
[4:18:25] thousand said am I remembering yeah they
[4:18:28] yep the co-op match would be 45 000. and
[4:18:32] like Mark said they've kind of maxed out
[4:18:33] their division of water rights funding
[4:18:36] um
[4:18:37] for the year but I think they've
[4:18:40] approached Moab City and
[4:18:42] it seemed like they had approached San
[4:18:43] Juan County as well
[4:18:47] um
[4:18:48] I I think maybe something like ten
[4:18:50] thousand dollars would be a good number
[4:18:52] but
[4:18:54] Jim do you want to make a motion Sarah
[4:18:57] well I have a quick question with
[4:19:01] so you said they need 45
[4:19:04] 000.
[4:19:07] what if they don't get it I mean that's
[4:19:09] what
[4:19:11] I tried to ask that question at the
[4:19:13] library Watershed partnership meeting it
[4:19:15] seemed like
[4:19:16] the USGS
[4:19:19] always operates at a
[4:19:21] like a 66 33 match
[4:19:26] with local Cooperators so
[4:19:29] I'm not sure if they would have to
[4:19:31] shrink their study maybe they wouldn't
[4:19:33] do the pump test part of it which
[4:19:36] honestly is the part that is maybe more
[4:19:37] relevant to us as good in our concern
[4:19:40] for the wetlands though
[4:19:43] all of it is gonna help
[4:19:47] explain that brain layer better
[4:19:50] well I'm not sure do I wonder if we want
[4:19:53] to put an emotion something to the fact
[4:19:55] that uh contingent on the funding they
[4:20:00] find the funding
[4:20:02] to do the project rather than just
[4:20:06] you know that way if
[4:20:08] something falls through on it which I
[4:20:10] pray it doesn't I really think it's an
[4:20:12] important study but then we won't lose
[4:20:15] our money
[4:20:16] but they also might be using this to
[4:20:19] inspire others right now they can go to
[4:20:21] their other these other entities and say
[4:20:23] we got this much from Grant County yeah
[4:20:25] we were given a phony Edge but if they
[4:20:28] can't if they can't do the study
[4:20:31] I think we need to let it know that okay
[4:20:34] we get the money back yeah well um I'm
[4:20:37] sure that that could also be written
[4:20:39] into the mou
[4:20:41] but okay we have to sign
[4:20:44] with them but I think that makes sense
[4:20:47] Mary that if the study's not gonna
[4:20:49] happen yeah or if we had the option to
[4:20:51] say this is to be used for the pump
[4:20:54] study portion right if that's what we're
[4:20:56] interested in
[4:20:57] if we're making an example of of
[4:21:00] donating to this to try to entice other
[4:21:02] local agencies maybe 15 000 would be
[4:21:04] appropriate so it would be one-third of
[4:21:05] the ask and then there's a couple other
[4:21:08] entities out there that might be able to
[4:21:10] contribute the same
[4:21:13] I mean I like that I do think we're in a
[4:21:15] good position that
[4:21:17] financially this year and we don't know
[4:21:19] about the future
[4:21:21] no I I will quibble about I mean any
[4:21:24] money we don't spend this year is money
[4:21:26] that helps us next year so I I think
[4:21:28] it's a little artificial to distinguish
[4:21:30] between this year and next year and
[4:21:32] spending money
[4:21:33] yeah
[4:21:35] but I'm here to present to you
[4:21:41] um well I'll just make that difference
[4:21:44] too right what will you cut the
[4:21:47] difference too
[4:21:48] 12-5
[4:21:50] yeah and I mean this funding was set
[4:21:52] aside in the 2022 budget so it's not
[4:21:56] like it's just coming out of thin air
[4:21:57] right and respecting we wanted so this
[4:22:01] would it were the 19
[4:22:05] 1361 mean that we've we've tapped out
[4:22:09] that fund actually I mean I that equals
[4:22:13] seventy thousand dollars but then we had
[4:22:15] I got the numbers a little bit late but
[4:22:17] then there was also this other ten
[4:22:19] thousand dollars for groundwater
[4:22:20] monitoring that was set aside so we
[4:22:22] still haven't spent at all
[4:22:26] um I thought we just had 70 000 but
[4:22:29] we do have eighty thousand dollars set
[4:22:30] generally aside
[4:22:32] but then I think we should fund the
[4:22:33] whole thing
[4:22:35] because the water is probably I mean
[4:22:37] that's a
[4:22:38] probably the most important thing in the
[4:22:40] not the whole thing the 19th excuse me
[4:22:43] you just use the entire amount that we have yeah overnight that she
[4:22:48] suggested in here because
[4:22:52] water you know and it's no no when she
[4:22:57] said the whole that I thought she was
[4:22:58] meaning
[4:23:03] that's why I clarified real fast
[4:23:09] no yeah I guess also I mean we did
[4:23:12] receive that Grant so there's
[4:23:15] um like 45
[4:23:16] 000 extra dollars of funding from the
[4:23:18] national groundwater monitoring just
[4:23:20] coming into the county for for
[4:23:21] water-mounted train just because we
[4:23:23] chose to be a part of that program so
[4:23:26] these are all good things
[4:23:27] I think
[4:23:31] do you have any idea how much
[4:23:37] I moved to approve the funding of a 19
[4:23:42] 361 dollars to the USGS for uh salinity
[4:23:47] studies on the Colorado River in Mathis
[4:23:50] and wetlands
[4:23:52] and authorize the chair to sign all
[4:23:55] Associated documents
[4:23:57] I second that all right I have a mission
[4:23:59] on the table by commissioner mcgannon
[4:24:00] and second by commissioner houdin any
[4:24:02] discussion on this I'm sorry I missed
[4:24:04] the amount it was it was the 19 361
[4:24:07] dollars
[4:24:09] yeah in the packet
[4:24:16] no discussion
[4:24:18] all right I'll call for a vote all those
[4:24:20] in favor of the motion raise your hand
[4:24:22] foreign
[4:24:24] I like the lesser amount
[4:24:27] but I wanted it to pass so yeah thank
[4:24:31] you Sarah for doing all that work yeah
[4:24:34] and I think it's better to be in front
[4:24:36] of the ball than behind it oh and I like
[4:24:38] being the example motion passes six to
[4:24:42] one with commissioner Clapper in
[4:24:43] opposition
[4:24:44] tell Marty to take that because others
[4:24:48] all right we will move on uh item C
[4:24:51] adopting ordinance repealing and
[4:24:53] replacing chapter
[4:24:54] 8.16 special events of the Grand County
[4:24:57] General ordinances and related ordinance
[4:24:59] number uh 658 Mallory
[4:25:05] we've discussed yes this is coming
[4:25:08] before you once again with some of the
[4:25:11] changes and we talked through at the
[4:25:14] last meeting and
[4:25:16] I think we feel good about it this time
[4:25:19] and are working on other things as the
[4:25:22] next steps that would align with this
[4:25:24] assuming it's um
[4:25:26] approved tonight
[4:25:30] um yeah I
[4:25:32] I've had a lot of conversations with
[4:25:34] Valerie about this recently and I think
[4:25:36] this is
[4:25:37] you know a big milestone in our handling
[4:25:39] of special events
[4:25:41] um
[4:25:41] I'm very happy that staff like Angie and
[4:25:44] Rachel were able to put together so much
[4:25:46] information for the hearing today and
[4:25:48] that went a lot more smoothly than I was
[4:25:50] expecting expecting so that was nice
[4:25:54] um and but yeah I want to especially
[4:25:56] thank Mallory because I think she's put
[4:25:58] a ton of time in it and I gave it a
[4:26:00] fairly careful read earlier today and it
[4:26:03] looks looks pretty good to me I mean I'm
[4:26:04] sure we're gonna continue to tweak it
[4:26:07] but I I feel good having this in place
[4:26:10] um I'll give others a chance to talk but
[4:26:13] I there are some small edits that I want
[4:26:15] to work into the motion so okay
[4:26:17] hopefully I can make the motion of the
[4:26:18] time and I'd also like to very much
[4:26:20] thank
[4:26:21] um County attorney Sloane for for
[4:26:23] working on this as well I think she
[4:26:24] worked pretty closely with Mallory and
[4:26:26] has been uh instrumental in yeah and and
[4:26:30] as well as Angie and Rachel too
[4:26:32] yep yeah definitely Christina should be
[4:26:35] included in the amongst the top ranks of
[4:26:38] people think definitely it's been a
[4:26:39] collaborative effort but but you guys
[4:26:41] have yeah done the Lion's Share the
[4:26:43] heavy lifting so thank you very much
[4:26:44] yeah it's been a been a long process
[4:26:47] and it will continue to be right
[4:27:01] okay so so I moved to repeal
[4:27:06] um chapter 816 special events of the
[4:27:09] Grand County General ordinances and the
[4:27:11] related ordinance number is 658 and
[4:27:13] adopt new chapters 8.16 special events
[4:27:18] and so forth
[4:27:19] um in the attached ordinance and its
[4:27:21] exhibit a with the following minor edit
[4:27:26] um
[4:27:28] it's me
[4:27:32] in Section 8 16 100 B
[4:27:37] Roman numeral
[4:27:39] um
[4:27:43] yeah numeral two
[4:27:46] um item c
[4:27:47] um should say local Origins sort of
[4:27:49] locally origin and item D
[4:27:52] um you know need to fix the
[4:27:53] capitalization that line so just just
[4:27:55] some typos but since might as well get
[4:27:58] them out of the way
[4:28:00] all right well there's the only edits
[4:28:02] come oh I should mention there were
[4:28:05] other edits earlier today so the unless
[4:28:07] you are downloading this thing as of
[4:28:10] about an hour ago when Mallory updated
[4:28:11] it there's some additional fairly small
[4:28:15] edits um compared to what was has been
[4:28:17] in the packet earlier just some
[4:28:19] misnumberings of sections and right or
[4:28:21] that got replaced by nand but nothing
[4:28:23] that really changes the meaning of the
[4:28:25] ordinance great
[4:28:27] right I have a motion by commissioner
[4:28:29] Walker
[4:28:30] second by commissioner Clapper
[4:28:33] um further discussion on special events
[4:28:34] ordinance I think one person we forgot
[4:28:37] to thank was Kevin he has been really
[4:28:40] the commissioner that's taken the lead
[4:28:42] on this and it's worked very hard
[4:28:45] obviously he's able to find those little
[4:28:47] teeny mistakes so thank you Kevin very
[4:28:51] much definitely thanks Kevin
[4:28:54] all right I'll call for a vote all those
[4:28:57] in favor of the motion raise your hand
[4:29:00] well
[4:29:02] so that when the and was fixed I can't
[4:29:05] get the book online to work and 060. the
[4:29:08] end was was fixed
[4:29:11] also in the workshop that that's what
[4:29:13] the commission wants
[4:29:15] I think so I I think it was clearly
[4:29:17] intent because of the following segment
[4:29:19] after that
[4:29:21] um so but but we didn't discuss it
[4:29:23] explicitly in the workshop
[4:29:25] um if you want to look at it if you
[4:29:27] refresh your main agenda then you'll
[4:29:29] have a correct link to the latest
[4:29:32] version
[4:29:33] the the discussion guys is in section
[4:29:36] 060 it lays out the characteristics for
[4:29:39] low impact events Kevin Went to make
[4:29:42] sure that was an and there was a
[4:29:44] conflict between two sections which
[4:29:46] meant you have to
[4:29:48] um meet all of those characteristics to
[4:29:50] be a low impact event what we were
[4:29:52] finding as we prepared for the workshop
[4:29:54] and in the workshop is that most events
[4:29:57] are going to the commission but you guys
[4:29:59] handled it really well today and so as
[4:30:01] long as you know today happened
[4:30:04] um according to what you thought would
[4:30:05] happen
[4:30:06] um then that's great if you want to see
[4:30:08] fewer events then you might want an or
[4:30:10] there instead of an and so it did seem
[4:30:12] to important enough to just
[4:30:15] I I think if we want to see fewer events
[4:30:18] changing to an ore is probably not the
[4:30:20] right solution because then you can have
[4:30:21] an event with a vast numbers of people
[4:30:23] that's causing closing all the roads but
[4:30:25] unless they check all four of those
[4:30:27] boxes they would be considered low then
[4:30:29] so
[4:30:31] um so I agree and we need to think about
[4:30:33] what events you know what's the dividing
[4:30:36] line between low and high impact events
[4:30:37] that I think
[4:30:41] is the right approach for the moment
[4:30:44] I'm comfortable with the end
[4:30:46] we just had a vote uh I don't think that
[4:30:49] changed anything so the motion passes
[4:30:52] unanimously
[4:30:54] and we'll move on to item D
[4:30:57] consideration of special event intent to
[4:30:59] apply submissions this is what we
[4:31:01] workshopped earlier uh Angie
[4:31:05] and Rachel Bartlett
[4:31:19] hello
[4:31:22] so I'll read
[4:31:24] um the motion as stated in the
[4:31:26] background and leave off explaining all
[4:31:29] the events yes
[4:31:31] I moved to approve the following special
[4:31:34] event a tip as applies for the first and
[4:31:37] second quarters of 2023 and or if
[4:31:40] applicable I moved to
[4:31:42] um event sponsors interested in holding
[4:31:45] an event in Grant County must submit an
[4:31:47] ITA the special event advisory committee
[4:31:50] SEC reviews all itas and determines if
[4:31:54] the proposed of it is high or low impact
[4:31:56] as for the special event ordinance high
[4:31:58] impact itas are reviewed by the County
[4:32:01] Commission at a quarterly meeting their
[4:32:03] reviews are scheduled based on the
[4:32:05] quarter the proposed event would be held
[4:32:08] and they are as followed
[4:32:15] okay
[4:32:17] um
[4:32:18] so uh just just a little bit more
[4:32:20] background so we did for people who were
[4:32:22] just turning in we did have a two-hour
[4:32:23] Workshop earlier today where we reviewed
[4:32:25] all the we put all the events in detail
[4:32:29] um and ended up approving most of the
[4:32:33] attempts to apply but but not all of
[4:32:34] them and according to our just passed
[4:32:37] special events award um ordinance we
[4:32:40] need to make findings for when we deny
[4:32:42] something so I'll incorporate that into
[4:32:44] the emotions that I make break him okay
[4:32:49] uh there was a additional email that
[4:32:53] came in since yeah and I I spoke with
[4:32:56] Angie about that and um
[4:32:59] it it felt to me like it's a little bit
[4:33:01] late in the game to be
[4:33:03] denying something based on
[4:33:06] past Behavior so I think there was a proposal that maybe
[4:33:12] we mixed things up a bit but um
[4:33:15] I don't know well we got that in our
[4:33:18] email yeah from home
[4:33:21] from a county attorney
[4:33:24] and the topic had come up before yeah so
[4:33:28] what one of the applicants I think they
[4:33:30] were in the table I'm looking at it was
[4:33:31] listed as an event that's been going on
[4:33:32] for a long time but they haven't always
[4:33:34] gotten the permit because of
[4:33:36] disagreements about whether they needed
[4:33:38] a permit or not
[4:33:40] um there had been some conflict I think
[4:33:42] in the past
[4:33:44] so
[4:33:46] um so that didn't come up at our
[4:33:47] Workshop we didn't consider it but it
[4:33:49] got it was brought up afterwards
[4:33:53] um my my feeling in in anyone Angie you
[4:33:57] know please if you disagree please say
[4:33:59] so but I think for an event that's been
[4:34:01] operating for a while you know with or
[4:34:02] without a permit if we're gonna shut it
[4:34:05] down there's kind of a higher standard
[4:34:06] for you know the reasons we need in the
[4:34:08] documentation we need and just based on
[4:34:11] the information that I've seen in the
[4:34:12] email
[4:34:13] um I didn't feel comfortable doing that
[4:34:16] so I Mike
[4:34:21] do you have anything to add Angier well
[4:34:23] and I just wanted to put it there based
[4:34:26] on one event holder over another event
[4:34:28] holder if one's going to be denied I'd
[4:34:31] rather deny the one
[4:34:34] that
[4:34:35] has caused some conflict versus one who
[4:34:38] has
[4:34:40] whether regardless of their history
[4:34:44] they both have history
[4:34:45] one just wants to add
[4:34:48] another recipe
[4:34:53] and again I feel I think when we're I
[4:34:57] haven't made the motion yet but the um
[4:34:59] the itas that were not not approving are
[4:35:03] both for new events that haven't
[4:35:04] operated here before though in one case
[4:35:06] it's someone who's operated a different
[4:35:09] event at a different time yeah
[4:35:11] um I just think so I think that's a pretty
[4:35:15] easy reason for denial but if you're
[4:35:17] going to say that hey you've you know
[4:35:19] you've been causing problems in the past
[4:35:22] I I guess I would just want to have that
[4:35:24] written up better and be familiar with
[4:35:26] that written record before actually
[4:35:28] denying the event
[4:35:29] so that that is why I'm not comfortable
[4:35:33] knowing that you know if this had come
[4:35:35] up a week ago and maybe we
[4:35:37] could familiarize ourselves but um
[4:35:39] I'm wondering if we could uh approve it
[4:35:43] uh with it on probation
[4:35:48] the the um
[4:35:51] okay sure
[4:35:53] that way we if you know okay I'll add
[4:35:58] that to the emotion that we have
[4:36:00] concerns about
[4:36:02] can you pass at that event and we're and
[4:36:05] so this is going to be watching closely
[4:36:06] or something like that or we we request
[4:36:09] that the special events committee give
[4:36:10] us a report due to a report on how that
[4:36:13] event goes this year because and what
[4:36:15] let me go back to my email what was your
[4:36:18] specific
[4:36:21] to clarify on that we've expanded the
[4:36:24] post event evaluation process I don't
[4:36:26] think we need to create a condition
[4:36:27] around that because everyone is going to
[4:36:30] have a closer look this time okay
[4:36:33] I was going to say I don't think we have
[4:36:35] like a probation process outline I was
[4:36:38] just trying to be accommodating we've
[4:36:39] had it in the past remember we had
[4:36:41] there's a review process but a
[4:36:45] I think when we said things are
[4:36:46] probationary events or probationary in
[4:36:48] the past there it was just kind of
[4:36:51] some Furbish to make us feel better
[4:36:54] now there's that checkbox for is the
[4:36:56] African in good standing and then the
[4:36:59] teachers
[4:37:00] right okay okay so can I go ahead and we
[4:37:04] have some please Kevin yeah
[4:37:06] um so I moved to approve the following
[4:37:09] special event special event intent to
[4:37:11] applies
[4:37:12] for this first and second quarters of
[4:37:15] 2023 and I will note the ones where we
[4:37:18] um
[4:37:20] added some conditions and I will also
[4:37:22] note the ones on the list that we denied
[4:37:24] and then I will list some findings so
[4:37:27] this is still part sorry about this game
[4:37:29] this is still part of the motion
[4:37:32] um Okay so we've got the list attached
[4:37:34] I'm not going to read all the ones that
[4:37:35] we approved but
[4:37:37] there were two that we denied one was
[4:37:40] the um number 18 on my list Grand Circle
[4:37:43] Trail Fest the other was the um number
[4:37:48] 25 on my list the new
[4:37:51] um Spring G Jamboree not to be confused
[4:37:53] with topology Jamboree
[4:37:55] which is the one that's been happening
[4:37:57] for a long time
[4:37:59] um
[4:38:00] so that's that's the list of approvals
[4:38:02] um conditions for the amazing Trail race
[4:38:05] uh we wanted a special events committee
[4:38:08] to work with them to Institute a shuttle
[4:38:10] system
[4:38:11] and um make sure the packet pickup and
[4:38:15] other activities other than the race
[4:38:17] itself are done in town rather than out
[4:38:19] of the parking lot
[4:38:21] s
[4:38:28] and for the um Live at Red Cliffs event
[4:38:32] um again we wanted this special event
[4:38:34] committee to work with them to Institute
[4:38:35] a shuttle system we found on the River
[4:38:37] Road
[4:38:39] and
[4:38:40] um
[4:38:42] and then finally some findings
[4:38:44] and I can email you this to you Gabe um
[4:38:48] uh the following findings were relevant
[4:38:51] to our decision about which events
[4:38:53] tonight
[4:38:55] um one the current list of regularly
[4:38:57] occurring events is weighted heavily
[4:38:58] toward running biking and motorized
[4:39:00] events to April and May are both already
[4:39:03] saturated with special events
[4:39:06] three we desire more variety in Grant
[4:39:09] County Special Events and for we give
[4:39:12] preference to events with an established
[4:39:14] track record
[4:39:16] um so that's the end of the motion story
[4:39:18] and then I'll just note that in in the
[4:39:21] special event ordinance that we um just
[4:39:23] passed you know there's a lot of
[4:39:24] criteria for what things we should be
[4:39:26] taking into account when approving or
[4:39:29] denying these itas
[4:39:31] um I in this findings I didn't list all
[4:39:32] of those things I just listed the ones
[4:39:34] that I thought were most relevant to the
[4:39:36] decision we made in case someone used to
[4:39:38] document you know why why we did this of
[4:39:40] course people can also just look at the
[4:39:41] tape for a much
[4:39:43] more detailed discussion yeah
[4:39:45] all right and I guess I should have
[4:39:47] gotten a second before talking sorry
[4:39:49] about that that's all right Mary just
[4:39:52] seconded so I have a motion on the table
[4:39:53] by Kevin there's a great and long motion
[4:39:56] Kevin good job second but Mary
[4:40:00] um further discussion on this and I will
[4:40:03] note that we did uh Workshop this for
[4:40:05] two hours before our meeting we went
[4:40:06] through everything fairly extensively so
[4:40:08] I feel pretty okay about it
[4:40:11] anyone add anything I guess maybe I this
[4:40:15] is the first time we've done this way I
[4:40:16] will just say a little bit more for just
[4:40:18] for members of the public tuning in um
[4:40:20] you know in Grant County we get a lot of
[4:40:22] special event applications
[4:40:24] um
[4:40:25] they're they are
[4:40:28] a you know bring people here which
[4:40:30] provides US economic benefits some of
[4:40:32] them you know provide opportunities for
[4:40:34] local participation or local
[4:40:35] entrepreneurs but that you know they
[4:40:37] also can cause crowding and disruption
[4:40:39] and so we're trying to in deciding which
[4:40:42] special events we approve you know just
[4:40:44] be more Mindful and
[4:40:46] deciding which ones we do so this is the
[4:40:49] beginning of that that process we've
[4:40:51] been discussing it for the last couple
[4:40:52] of years switching to this style
[4:40:55] um
[4:40:57] I I think this is an ongoing process and
[4:40:59] I think this first round we
[4:41:02] you know we didn't turn down any event
[4:41:03] that's been operating so just in case
[4:41:05] people think that we're turning down
[4:41:07] applications you know willy-nilly right
[4:41:09] and left that so far has not happened
[4:41:12] all the events that have been operating
[4:41:15] um
[4:41:15] got approved but you know we do have
[4:41:18] quite a few special events already so I
[4:41:19] think the distance of the commission
[4:41:21] during the workshop was that if we're
[4:41:22] going to approve a new event it'd better
[4:41:25] be offering something special like
[4:41:27] variety
[4:41:28] or you know incredible benefits or
[4:41:30] something like that
[4:41:32] um there were a few new events that we
[4:41:34] did approve just because they had very
[4:41:36] minimal impact near Moab there was a
[4:41:38] motorcycle event that operates out of
[4:41:40] Green River there were some races along
[4:41:42] the Kokopelli Trail
[4:41:44] um and so I think we for those those
[4:41:46] events which were technically high
[4:41:48] impact events but they don't have high
[4:41:49] impact right here in town
[4:41:51] um we were a little more doing this so I
[4:41:54] just wanted to for people who didn't see
[4:41:55] the workshop get that
[4:41:59] thank you
[4:42:01] a culture vote then
[4:42:03] um motioned by Kevin and a second by
[4:42:05] Mary
[4:42:06] um
[4:42:07] all in favor of the motion raise your
[4:42:09] hand
[4:42:10] and the motion passes unanimously seven
[4:42:13] to nothing
[4:42:14] all right Angie and Rachel thank you
[4:42:19] uh next up is item e star business grant
[4:42:22] 2022 funding increase uh then alter
[4:42:26] Economic Development specialist and
[4:42:28] August I assume is still online were you
[4:42:32] taking this one Ben I was supposed to
[4:42:34] text him when this comes out
[4:42:40] volleyball
[4:42:45] but I can answer any questions there are
[4:42:47] about this I'm happy to go over the
[4:42:49] background if there are I think this
[4:42:50] item is fairly straightforward this was
[4:42:53] the money that was moved over from the
[4:42:55] uh
[4:42:56] um the budget amendment a few weeks back
[4:42:58] and while I believe the intention was to
[4:43:01] allocate five hundred thousand dollars
[4:43:03] to this program it needs to be formally
[4:43:05] done so that is essentially what we're
[4:43:08] asking of this first time
[4:43:09] right yeah and we did move that money at
[4:43:12] a prior to prior mean I think it was it
[4:43:14] two weeks ago or is it a month ago
[4:43:21] thanks sir I moved to allocate 500 000
[4:43:25] of economic diversification transient
[4:43:28] room tax dollars
[4:43:31] uh to be made available during the
[4:43:34] September 20th 2022 Grand County
[4:43:36] Commission meeting
[4:43:38] towards the sustainability and resilient
[4:43:40] star business grant program
[4:43:44] sorry I read that slightly wrong you're
[4:43:47] fine I'm too deep in working on my
[4:43:49] legalese these days so
[4:43:51] I'll second that all right thank you uh
[4:43:54] motion by commissioner stock and second
[4:43:56] by commissioner hadeen any discussion
[4:44:01] great I'll call for a vote all those in
[4:44:03] favor of the motion raise your hand
[4:44:05] motion passes unanimously six to nothing
[4:44:08] with commissioner Clapper absent
[4:44:10] uh thanks Ben uh of course
[4:44:13] and it looks like you'll be up here for
[4:44:15] the next few items uh item F Award of
[4:44:18] sustainable and resilient uh star
[4:44:20] business grants
[4:44:22] back to you sure so
[4:44:25] um I I sent the commission an email a
[4:44:29] few hours ago that um due to just some
[4:44:32] pending concerns about water
[4:44:34] availability in Thompson we want to
[4:44:36] continue having discussions with Santa
[4:44:38] the attorney and probably John corkery
[4:44:41] just to iron everything out so I just
[4:44:43] want to make clear that we're not taking
[4:44:45] any way taking away anyone's award and I
[4:44:48] personally stand by the recommendations
[4:44:50] that the grant committee made and intend
[4:44:53] to see those through as best I can so
[4:44:55] Cena thank you for your patience with
[4:44:58] this process
[4:44:59] um so I've asked the commission remove
[4:45:02] ABC Thompson llc's award from any
[4:45:06] potential motion tonight
[4:45:07] I'm happy to talk about any of the
[4:45:10] awards
[4:45:12] um to the extent that I feel that I can
[4:45:14] we did have our evaluation committee
[4:45:16] members signed ndas to just so that we
[4:45:19] wouldn't be revealing confidential
[4:45:21] business information however everyone
[4:45:23] who is on this list tonight is aware
[4:45:25] that
[4:45:26] um you know parts of their project were
[4:45:28] made available so that you all could
[4:45:30] understand at a glance what it is that
[4:45:33] Grand County Economic Development will
[4:45:35] be funding the other note is that there
[4:45:38] will be another star business grant
[4:45:40] approval item of the first November
[4:45:43] commission meeting I didn't want to add
[4:45:46] anyone on here who didn't give me a
[4:45:48] verbal or email yes if they actually
[4:45:50] wanted their award which I know is crazy
[4:45:52] but just want to make sure so this is
[4:45:55] everyone who got back to me in time for
[4:45:57] The A Team deadline so we'll have some
[4:45:59] stragglers in November but I'm still
[4:46:02] working on the contract so it works out
[4:46:04] perfectly for me
[4:46:05] um so I'm happy to talk at length about
[4:46:07] the program any logistical questions and
[4:46:11] then I'm happy to talk to uh to speak to
[4:46:13] some length about the projects
[4:46:16] um that we had before us tonight
[4:46:19] all right if you'd like to ask Ben a
[4:46:21] question or maybe comment
[4:46:28] s hard work
[4:46:29] thanks yeah it's hard work for the
[4:46:32] people thank you Jacques yeah I was I
[4:46:34] was on on this committee there's four
[4:46:36] others on the committee I think um and
[4:46:38] then it was overseen by Ben you did a
[4:46:40] great job of facilitating everything we
[4:46:42] met for two full days and then had a
[4:46:44] couple of follow-up meetings
[4:46:46] um you know you're not going to get
[4:46:48] anything perfect but I think we did
[4:46:50] pretty good due diligence and went
[4:46:52] through and tried to apply an even uh
[4:46:55] approach to Distributing these yeah and
[4:46:59] I was just really impressed with the
[4:47:00] applications like people have some great
[4:47:02] ideas here it's really cool to see what
[4:47:04] some folks are coming up within the
[4:47:07] county to diversify yeah yeah it
[4:47:09] couldn't be more and I want to again
[4:47:11] thank the the committee for all the time
[4:47:13] they put in and might continue
[4:47:16] um as I call on them for for various
[4:47:18] questions
[4:47:19] just uh procedural
[4:47:22] and maybe Christina would be the one
[4:47:24] that answers I'm just wondering if when
[4:47:26] we make the motion we should uh say the
[4:47:29] amount and the company just for the
[4:47:32] record what do you think is that
[4:47:34] necessary
[4:47:36] for the minutes
[4:47:50] you're right I think Mary means does she
[4:47:52] should she states the amounts in each of
[4:47:55] the businesses
[4:47:58] I didn't that I just was wondering and
[4:48:01] Christina didn't chime in so I'm
[4:48:03] guessing it's not necessary sometimes it
[4:48:06] seems to be necessary to do the amount
[4:48:08] so we could say the amount of the
[4:48:12] 700 709
[4:48:15] 135 dollars but then it's not quite that
[4:48:18] it would be less 100 yeah
[4:48:20] said the last the 609. 600. I recommend
[4:48:28] um that you at least cite two in the
[4:48:30] specific amounts into the companies
[4:48:34] uh support in the package and it's all
[4:48:38] right there so I don't think you need to
[4:48:39] go through every single one
[4:48:42] okay
[4:48:46] yes I'll make I'll move to approve uh
[4:48:51] the grants following star grants
[4:48:54] excluding the hundred thousand to ABC
[4:48:59] Thompson LLC
[4:49:01] and the most uh the amount of money
[4:49:06] will be
[4:49:07] 609
[4:49:10] 135 dollars
[4:49:14] and did you mean to say that so the
[4:49:16] grants that are in the packet the grants
[4:49:19] that are in the packet
[4:49:21] excluding one
[4:49:25] all right should I repeat that sorry you
[4:49:27] did it well enough
[4:49:34] oh I'll second okay I have a motion by
[4:49:37] Mary to approve the the grants in a
[4:49:39] second by Kevin further discussion on
[4:49:41] the grants
[4:49:42] and and again this is the first batch of
[4:49:45] Grants right that and hopefully we'll be
[4:49:48] able to approve the rest of them at the
[4:49:50] next meeting and I'll add that at a
[4:49:52] future meeting
[4:49:53] um similar to the tourism parent it was
[4:49:55] just a bit easier because only seven
[4:49:57] Awards but I plan to present to the
[4:49:58] commission what our office learned from
[4:50:00] this and how we think we can tailor this
[4:50:03] program going forward
[4:50:05] um to better fit our diversification
[4:50:07] efforts because I think this was an
[4:50:08] awesome pilot we learned a lot um
[4:50:10] there's just a lot more to synthesize
[4:50:12] because they're more
[4:50:13] but that's coming right
[4:50:16] and and I just said before but I just
[4:50:18] wonder
[4:50:19] reiterate and correct me correct me if
[4:50:22] I'm wrong it's not we're not denying the
[4:50:23] grant to
[4:50:25] um
[4:50:27] ABC which just seems a bit premature to
[4:50:30] prove it now it might very well yeah and
[4:50:33] that that's partially on my fault I
[4:50:35] followed through with everyone who
[4:50:36] wanted to discuss it but it seems like I
[4:50:39] didn't include everyone on every
[4:50:40] conversation so we just need to button
[4:50:43] some things up so no no revoking at this
[4:50:44] time
[4:50:45] yeah
[4:50:48] all right
[4:50:50] um call for a vote all those in favor of
[4:50:52] the motion raise your hand
[4:50:54] motion passes unanimously and you do you do a great job yes thank you
[4:50:59] giving away money
[4:51:02] and it's just exciting it's so fun it's
[4:51:05] physically tiring but it's very fun yeah
[4:51:07] you guys get a chance
[4:51:09] work with him on one of the Committees
[4:51:11] it's pretty fun we're running out of
[4:51:13] Commissioners
[4:51:15] all right chiming in from The Ether but
[4:51:18] yes Ben you've done an amazing job and I couldn't trust I I wouldn't trust any
[4:51:23] well I could potentially trust other
[4:51:25] people but I trust you incredibly uh
[4:51:27] highly to take it take this on
[4:51:29] thank you and thanks to our applicants
[4:51:31] for putting their best fee forward it
[4:51:33] was it was a pleasure to go through all
[4:51:34] this and this is the outcome of many
[4:51:39] years of work by uh Chris Baird and
[4:51:42] myself and Evan and different people
[4:51:44] that went up to the Capitol and pounded
[4:51:47] those steps and it took us three years
[4:51:50] wasn't it three or four to move it so
[4:51:53] that now some of the trt tax goes
[4:51:56] directly to help people that live in our
[4:51:58] community
[4:51:59] yes you know that's I mean thank you for
[4:52:02] connecting the dots there because I
[4:52:03] think we do see you know statements that
[4:52:05] you know there's been trt reform and
[4:52:07] it's freeing up all this money and that
[4:52:09] sounds kind of abstract but now we're
[4:52:11] you know with this list of businesses
[4:52:13] and the money that's being awarded to
[4:52:15] them we're seeing you know you what that
[4:52:18] actually means on the ground here yes
[4:52:20] yeah it's money staying in our community
[4:52:21] and there's a there's a great
[4:52:22] multiplayer effect here as well that will do us well for yeah
[4:52:28] and I just just for the public uh
[4:52:31] there's going to be follow-up we're
[4:52:33] going to you know the they're gonna
[4:52:35] we're gonna make sure these grants are
[4:52:37] successful and that the money is spent
[4:52:39] as it was
[4:52:41] designed to be spent so it's not just a
[4:52:45] giveaway and then walk away
[4:52:48] right we're going to be watching it for
[4:52:50] a while
[4:52:51] all right thank you yeah thanks Ben and
[4:52:56] um we'll move on to item G approving uh
[4:52:58] Cooperative agreement between John State
[4:52:59] University and Grand County Utah from A
[4:53:02] Small Business Development Center sure
[4:53:04] So speaking of our grant programs this
[4:53:08] was a position that we had hoped to have
[4:53:10] in place by the time that we started our
[4:53:12] grant programs
[4:53:13] um fortunately for us Megan McFall who
[4:53:17] runs the SBD C out of Blanding for San
[4:53:22] Juan County has been pitching in for our
[4:53:25] County as well in the absence of having
[4:53:27] this role filled she's done an
[4:53:29] incredible job and she's learned a ton
[4:53:31] about our business community and so when
[4:53:34] we bring on this new role I think that
[4:53:36] we're assured that they're going to have
[4:53:38] very local relevant training in addition
[4:53:40] to Great Financial Training
[4:53:43] um the sbdc role that we used to have in
[4:53:45] the county was a part-time role and
[4:53:48] while it was of immense benefit to businesses it was clear that was something that needed to become
[4:53:54] full-time because especially with what
[4:53:57] Mary was referencing with the change in
[4:53:58] trt law we have so many more
[4:54:01] opportunities to work with businesses
[4:54:03] and see new Endeavors through it so with
[4:54:06] all that said we got together with us a
[4:54:10] year ago at this point and hammered out
[4:54:12] a plan for us to fund the role while
[4:54:16] still being maintained under the purview
[4:54:18] of USU as the sbdc rule usually is so
[4:54:22] that we could bring it to a full-time
[4:54:23] role at least for the next three years
[4:54:25] and then I think at that point we're
[4:54:27] going to reassess and see how it's
[4:54:28] working out and if that partnership will
[4:54:30] continue if that role should stay as
[4:54:32] full time I suspect it would be but you
[4:54:34] know that's for time to determine so
[4:54:37] we're excited to work with USU on this
[4:54:39] and um really stoked that the county
[4:54:41] wants to fund us this was something we
[4:54:43] talked about many months ago and I think
[4:54:45] it just got lost in boxes so
[4:54:48] happy to bring it back
[4:54:51] all right thanks Ben any uh any
[4:54:53] questions on this for Ben
[4:54:58] I have a question Ben sure I'm confused
[4:55:01] given our conversation do you need a
[4:55:04] resolution or do you not need a
[4:55:05] resolution do you just do the mou
[4:55:08] what are we approving so U.S just needs
[4:55:11] the mou
[4:55:13] um when I send it to you you put in
[4:55:15] resolution format and so I assume that was the best way to go forward on
[4:55:19] the County's end
[4:55:21] um if this is not the way to do it then
[4:55:23] we can just bring it back next
[4:55:24] commission meeting as just the plain old
[4:55:26] mou we got
[4:55:27] um I wasn't particularly sure about uh
[4:55:31] the difference in an mou versus a
[4:55:34] resolution for you know the County's
[4:55:36] purposes
[4:55:37] um so we don't we don't need the
[4:55:39] resolution so I think we just had a
[4:55:42] miscommunication about needing their own
[4:55:44] solution so if all you need is mou you
[4:55:46] don't need to bring it back mou is there
[4:55:48] it's the exhibited to the resolution but
[4:55:50] commission you you can instead of
[4:55:52] approving the resolution you can just
[4:55:54] approve the mou in the packet and leave
[4:55:57] it at that makes sense
[4:56:00] yeah and and I've reviewed this a ton
[4:56:03] with Christine who's an awesome job and
[4:56:04] I can confirm that the mou other than
[4:56:07] the letterhead essentially is reproduced
[4:56:09] exactly as exhibit a so that is what USU
[4:56:12] sent us and what they're expecting us to
[4:56:14] decide
[4:56:15] great
[4:56:18] I moved to approve the Cooperative
[4:56:20] agreement between Utah State University
[4:56:23] and Grand County for the purpose of
[4:56:25] establishing the Moab Small Business
[4:56:29] Development Center
[4:56:32] foreign
[4:56:42] yes excellent all right I have a motion
[4:56:45] to approve the mou by Mary in a second
[4:56:48] by Evan
[4:56:49] and uh uh
[4:56:53] would be spread out over the fiscal
[4:56:55] impact would be spread out over three
[4:56:57] years for up to a hundred thousand not
[4:57:01] to exceed yeah
[4:57:03] and is that from just general funding
[4:57:06] it's money
[4:57:08] um
[4:57:09] every question actually don't know
[4:57:10] August can you clarify it's from it's
[4:57:12] from trt economic diversification
[4:57:14] [Music]
[4:57:16] great
[4:57:20] any other questions or discussion
[4:57:22] seeing none I'll call for a vote on uh
[4:57:26] the motion by Mary in the second by Evan
[4:57:29] uh all there's in favor of the motion
[4:57:30] raise your hand
[4:57:32] and that passes seven to nothing
[4:57:35] thank you all all right thanks or thanks
[4:57:37] August and Ben thanks thanks so much
[4:57:47] thanks have a good night
[4:57:52] all right
[4:57:54] um item eight approving Board of
[4:57:55] Equalization hearing officer
[4:57:56] recommendations clerk hoytek all right
[4:57:59] so you'll see in the packet um
[4:58:02] provided a table of
[4:58:04] um Parcels that did go undergo in an
[4:58:09] adjustment as a as a result of an appeal
[4:58:11] with the hearing officer representing
[4:58:14] Grand County who is Randy Kelly he's
[4:58:16] worked with Debbie Swayze the assess the
[4:58:19] Grand County Assessor
[4:58:21] I think for 12 something 10 years or
[4:58:24] more now in that in that role was Grand
[4:58:26] County
[4:58:27] um and so presented in the table are
[4:58:30] those recommended changes from that
[4:58:31] process of of seeing hearings by the
[4:58:34] Board of Equalization I did get a chance
[4:58:36] to sit in on a couple of them
[4:58:39] um I'm not sure if Debbie is available
[4:58:41] on the call
[4:58:43] um if we're aware if anyone has any
[4:58:45] particular questions but the general
[4:58:47] breakdown is that there was a decrease in total market value of a
[4:58:51] million one hundred to seventy seven
[4:58:52] thousand five hundred and fifty three
[4:58:54] dollars
[4:58:56] and the taxable values decreased by
[4:58:59] amount of by the amount of three million
[4:59:01] seven hundred and ninety nine thousand
[4:59:03] nine hundred and eighty seven dollars
[4:59:05] and so the reason
[4:59:06] that maybe may look incongruous is that
[4:59:10] um uh in many cases the market value
[4:59:13] didn't was it changed as a result of
[4:59:15] this appeal but that but the taxable
[4:59:17] value was changed was uh was changed
[4:59:21] because it went from a second secondary
[4:59:23] to a primary and so that and so that
[4:59:26] means that the taxable values uh I
[4:59:29] believe it's 45 percent
[4:59:32] um
[4:59:37] uh discount is 45. yeah okay
[4:59:42] um so yeah and then the the certified
[4:59:44] tax rate
[4:59:45] um
[4:59:46] you know which was uh sort of proposed
[4:59:49] by the state and certified
[4:59:50] um by myself and and by you the
[4:59:52] commission
[4:59:54] um that so that certified tax rate
[4:59:57] applied to that um that decrease in
[5:00:00] taxable value
[5:00:02] um results in a decreased total tax
[5:00:04] dollars for all entities of
[5:00:06] approximately 39 941.66
[5:00:10] sense
[5:00:12] um so yeah and you know in looking at
[5:00:15] this and sort of considering how for
[5:00:18] example a Treasurer Kaufman typically
[5:00:20] presents items like this I'm thinking
[5:00:22] that perhaps in the future
[5:00:24] um a little bit of historical data could
[5:00:26] be really useful and illustrative for
[5:00:28] the Commission in terms of how many
[5:00:30] hearings happened maybe within the past
[5:00:32] 10 years and what these what these total
[5:00:34] amounts would be from year to year so I
[5:00:37] look forward as I continue in this role
[5:00:39] to think about those opportunities to
[5:00:41] provide better information to the
[5:00:43] commission I know Kevin in particular
[5:00:45] will appreciate it and you just took
[5:00:47] some words out of my mouth because you
[5:00:49] didn't fully preempt me so but I can say
[5:00:52] that with regards to last year
[5:00:55] um even though this is this reassessment
[5:00:57] that happened this year was in the city
[5:00:59] district and we did see quite a lot of
[5:01:01] increases
[5:01:02] um the amount of appeals and adjustments
[5:01:04] were relatively in line
[5:01:07] um I I can say from from last year which
[5:01:10] also saw a lot of increases just not in
[5:01:12] the city district
[5:01:13] uh any questions
[5:01:15] yeah well some of us just some comments
[5:01:18] for for next next time I just go through
[5:01:20] this having kind of a
[5:01:23] friend
[5:01:24] um would be useful but I think as you
[5:01:26] just pointed out
[5:01:27] um our you know every five year
[5:01:30] reassessment schedule is pretty uneven
[5:01:32] and so this was a big year with a lot of
[5:01:34] properties being reassessed some years
[5:01:36] it's just it's only the Hinterlands in
[5:01:38] the county and that's very different so
[5:01:40] it's so a year over year comparison
[5:01:42] isn't very useful
[5:01:43] um you know normalizing it by a taxable
[5:01:46] value is something could be helpful or
[5:01:48] going back five or ten years could also
[5:01:50] useful
[5:01:52] um
[5:01:52] I
[5:01:54] it seemed if I heard you correctly it
[5:01:57] seems like quite a lot of these are just
[5:01:58] people who got assessed as a secondary
[5:02:01] residence and they're saying no no I
[5:02:03] live here in this primary that that's
[5:02:05] two-thirds of it or something right or they may rent it to a primary
[5:02:10] resident yeah yeah okay
[5:02:13] um
[5:02:14] and then I guess
[5:02:15] it does seem a little I mean is there
[5:02:19] some confidentiality reason that we
[5:02:21] can't actually see addresses or just
[5:02:24] some kind of characterization like each
[5:02:25] of these items
[5:02:27] I remember going through that a few
[5:02:29] years ago and someone said oh yeah this
[5:02:30] was a hotel that you know they had a
[5:02:32] flood in One Wing and so they thought
[5:02:33] their valuation you know that that kind
[5:02:35] of information could be helpful or at
[5:02:38] least flagging the ones that are you
[5:02:39] know a little unusual
[5:02:43] I know I mean I just just one wants to
[5:02:46] get a feeling of what's going on and you
[5:02:48] know when these valuation changes happen
[5:02:51] and a big table of numbers doesn't help
[5:02:53] them
[5:02:54] you know and yeah the only thing I can
[5:02:57] think of is that you know the the tax
[5:02:59] bill records you know are essentially
[5:03:01] public record it's something that you
[5:03:03] can search up the only thing I can think
[5:03:05] of is that folks haven't even gotten
[5:03:07] their tax bills yet for this year and so
[5:03:09] perhaps there's an element of
[5:03:12] [Music]
[5:03:12] um
[5:03:13] perhaps there's an element of waiting
[5:03:15] until you know you know folks get their
[5:03:18] actual bill before it's sort of released
[5:03:20] to the public I'm not sure that's the
[5:03:21] only thing I can think of at the moment
[5:03:23] as to why um I have intentionally sort
[5:03:26] of followed the model of keeping you
[5:03:28] know what actually
[5:03:30] you know what it might be as much as
[5:03:31] anything is our our property tax
[5:03:34] software when I generate reports from
[5:03:36] that they um their the report that I use
[5:03:40] to create this generate this spreadsheet
[5:03:43] um actually doesn't include the um owner
[5:03:46] names it's just by parcel for that
[5:03:48] particular report so I think as much as
[5:03:50] anything it might be like you know the you know I I haven't developed the
[5:03:55] trick yet to associate the the owner
[5:03:57] names or the the addresses with the
[5:03:59] personal numbers yeah and even I mean I
[5:04:02] don't know that names are necessary you
[5:04:04] know addresses might be helpful but even if this were just somehow
[5:04:08] categorized like you know here's you
[5:04:10] know here the first block you know this
[5:04:12] is
[5:04:13] secondary to primary and then the next
[5:04:15] block is I don't know yeah totally and I think I took I took one small step in
[5:04:21] that direction by adding the key at the
[5:04:23] top which hadn't been offered in the
[5:04:25] past okay but but you're right I think I
[5:04:27] could even go further than that
[5:04:30] okay sorry to give you such a hard time
[5:04:32] no no that's totally great yeah
[5:04:37] any other uh questions for Gabe
[5:04:44] don't think we have a motion on the
[5:04:46] table yet we don't right I would move to
[5:04:49] prove the proposed Board of Equalization
[5:04:50] hearing officers recommendations
[5:04:52] resulting from taxpayer evaluation
[5:04:54] appeals during the 2020 to Boe hearings
[5:04:58] I'll second all right motion by
[5:05:02] commissioner Clapper second by
[5:05:03] commissioner Walker any other discussion
[5:05:06] on that
[5:05:08] seeing Nano call for a vote all those in
[5:05:10] favor the motion raise your hand
[5:05:12] passes six to nothing with commissioner
[5:05:14] stock absence
[5:05:16] and that ends our uh actually it brings
[5:05:20] us to the consent agenda
[5:05:22] um tonight's consent agenda consists of
[5:05:25] item a sole source purchase uh Eco equip
[5:05:29] Hydro media blaster
[5:05:32] um we also have applications to the
[5:05:35] Bureau of Land Management to renew Road
[5:05:37] rights of way uh ratifying chair
[5:05:41] signature on updated opioid legal
[5:05:43] representation agreement
[5:05:45] ratified Grand County Sub grantee
[5:05:48] agreement between Utah Association of
[5:05:50] family support center Incorporated and
[5:05:52] Family Support Center Grant County and
[5:05:55] lastly renewal of 400 East Highway 191
[5:05:57] billboard
[5:06:00] so moved
[5:06:02] and I'll second that all right motion to
[5:06:05] approve the consent agenda by
[5:06:06] commissioner mcgannon a second by
[5:06:08] commissioner Adin in a discussion on the
[5:06:09] consent agenda
[5:06:11] and we usually don't but I have two
[5:06:12] things when I Googled uh Hydro Blaster I
[5:06:16] came up with a bunch of Super Soaker
[5:06:18] squirt guns
[5:06:21] the record that's not what we're
[5:06:22] discussing
[5:06:24] uh
[5:06:31] right yeah and I'm I'm uh not a fan of
[5:06:36] billboards so that's the justification
[5:06:38] of the way I'll vote
[5:06:40] all right
[5:06:43] um on the subject you feel I'm not a fan
[5:06:45] of billboards either but if we are going
[5:06:46] to have Billboards which are very hard
[5:06:48] to get rid of because of state code I'd
[5:06:50] like them to be our Billboards rather
[5:06:52] than some random person's building so
[5:06:54] I'm in favor of us you know snapping up
[5:06:56] all the Billboards we can't
[5:06:58] I like it all right this discussion has
[5:07:02] persuaded me
[5:07:04] I have a motion uh to approve the
[5:07:07] consent agenda by commissioner McGann in
[5:07:08] the second by commissioner hideen all
[5:07:10] those in favor of the motion raise your
[5:07:11] hand
[5:07:12] and that passes unanimously
[5:07:15] excellent
[5:07:18] um
[5:07:19] go to entertain a motion to go I moved
[5:07:23] that we go into closed session to talk
[5:07:25] uh discuss uh pending or reasonable
[5:07:30] imminent dedication
[5:07:33] one second
[5:07:34] all right uh any discussion another
[5:07:37] motion
[5:07:39] all in favor of going into closed
[5:07:41] session raise your hand
[5:07:43] passes unanimously time is
[5:07:46] it is uh 709 P.M