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yeah all right absolutely
stood upstairs
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for that
before that game and then I was
like I'm not positioned
look at that handsome man over there
my friends
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yeah I didn't answer the phones
that's right so I didn't pick it up but
we'll check your voicemail oh really
yeah it's not pretty but I did send it I
sent it to Eric
um Clifford at the mayor's um
oh voicemail you got one too today
no it's like every other word
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he's just he's upsetting
City Hall has blocked his number and
won't take his calls it's it's
crazy
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did you get it no okay the creepiest one
here
we got it
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okay
good evening everyone I would like to
call the finance committee to order and
we will go in for a second
budget hearing and this evening we're
dealing with general service and that's
including code straight it's known as
Property Management Facility parks and
all the ways
collection disposal recycling water
silver gold and capital budget
this evening we can start with salt and
get these two young men out for here
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so we'll do golf and then we'll go back
to our regular
thank you
so so we don't have to be on
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there it goes
now you can start while I'm handing a
lot of Tomorrow well let me just start a
quick one review
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fund this year is increased by 141 167
plus 11 increase uh one of the increases
though is actually a an increase of
offer money into the general fund we're
actually going from 151 000 to 164 000
so it's part of the reviews of course
that it's also wages and of course
supplies and I think you guys want to
speak about that uh going through here I
think
so I should note real quick that that
going into you know this year
you know we're having a record here just
because the weather has been so
unbelievable
of course now we're starting to get a
little more we're getting all the rain
that we missed all summer the last
couple weeks
um
it's pretty incredible we've exceeded
our our Revenue totals in just about
every statistical category for the 2022
adaptive budget and doing so well that
we would actually pretty pretty close to
exceeding the 2023 Revenue
uh adopted budget lines so
um
it's been a pretty exciting year
we expect that Trend to continue next
year I mean obviously it's all weather
kind of dependent I mean I can't imagine
that we're going to get another summer
but the one we had this year where it
was just 80 degrees and no rain in sight
every single day
it was pretty amazing so we do expect to
get
that change for sure so
um
we did raise our green speed totals this
year
in terms of um we raise the fees in both
the season pass and the regular daily
fees
and I don't anticipate that happening
anymore I've gotten this next year we
are exploring a new carp Fleet as you
know we presented that to you when we
ordered the bit to the Yamaha
or wmb Golf Cars so we're moving forth
with doing a lithium
electric car Fleet and to offset those
expenses because they are going to go up
we're going to most likely to raise the
car key totals at and of course when
that time comes we'll bring that
proposal to you as well so we do expect
the cart revenues to to jump a little
bit as well
but if you have questions
feel free to just jump right out and ask
yeah I guess John would you like to go
through the lights or do you just like
not perfect
we'll just go through um
so that we have everybody on the same
page let's go to a special recreational
facility
like one
are there any questions
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go ahead please increase service to
fifteen thousand dollars CR and 7180404
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we did that last year but we did it as a
I came to the council uh with a request
out of budget after the budget
um this is a arborist that actually
comes and performs select tree trimming
he supplements Mike so this is not a
large scale trimming where we come and
take the trees down this is he comes in
he prunes all the Deadwood off of some
of the Oaks that we have this was Matt
can tell you how successful it was this
year and so they asked if we could put
it in for the following year so I'm
sorry yeah that is the increase of 15
because that's what the tree trimming
costs us this year and he does it on a
hourly basis so uh you know we send
loose on the course Mike is in support
so he really he climbs the trees Cuts
everything Mike picks it up and does it
and they uh and they it was it's been
great so that is the increase for the
fees for service lineup
any other questions
go ahead please anyway I'd also be the
same justification for cr7180433
okay so the 433 that is our fertilized
pesticides and seeds and uh I know Mike
isn't here but Paul is here and I'm sure
he'll be able to tell you uh seed prices
of double fertilizer prices are up
almost 33 percent and we are
anticipating like you know you're gonna
hear from me in a minute about costs
going up is that we're trying to really
hedge our bets and not have to
um but all of our chemicals and Seed
costs are are hugely inflated right now
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so I think that's a good time to just
mention
um that it's on this page
um I'll just kind of jump ahead to
something a little quick I handed out
some colorful things
um the first legal size document color
that has to do with revenues I just
wanted to show the council uh the
revenues for the course over since 2009
this is a document we've been putting
together a couple of things I just
wanted to point out is I did add on here
I don't mean it to be boastful for me
and Matt but I added our timeline when
we all started here myself and Matt and
one of the things too I wanted to point
out was Anthony can attest to this there
is a reason 2009 10 11 12 you'll notice
a lot of dashes is that one of my goals
after taking over as a course manager
was to increase the transparency in our
numbers so what ended up happening is
you'll see like Golf Course fees there
was a lot of everything just piled into
golf courses community so it was very
hard to tell how the course was doing
what was happening so working with
Finance we started breaking out and this
was when Anthony was actually the deputy
Finance commissioner him and I started
working on this so that's why you'll
kind of see the numbers are smaller and
then also there's more numbers is
because we started breaking things out
for clarity and that's the revenue so
you see that like Matt was talking about
whether it's a huge factor for us but
you'll see that we've shown steady
progress all the way up to now and then
on the bottom according to our financial
data we're at one three seven four
million dollars which would be a new
record and we're still have well
everything five weeks yeah maybe four to
five weeks okay so really every day that
we take Revenue it is a new record right
now that's great they're not going to
Europe
and uh the other document so this is the revenues the other document I just
wanted to share is I find this very
useful this color document here
Mike cesny our golf tour superintendent
who was phenomenal and it is part of the
reason that we're just so revered right
now
um he passed on to me some golf course
superintendent magazines and years ago
one of the things that was depicted in
that magazine is
what is the cost to maintain your course
all right it's a superintendent magazine
so it was how do you stack up the
problem is if you were to look at this
you have no idea I'm I kind of do you
would have no idea what it costs to
maintain the course so what I did is I
put this breakout together years ago and
I do it every year so if you're on the
council next year you're going to
interview say the same thing what this
is is this is a color-coded breakdown of
the courses expenses so revenues or
revenues they're pretty straightforward
and those colors correspond to our
revenues here
on the second page but where the value
really is is when you get into the next
pages with these Blues Reds and uh
you'll be able to tell that
the breakdown of the course is
approximately 46 or 650 000 goes towards
that's end of the course operations
um the carp Fleet Management and power
things like that so that's you know what
almost you would consider overhead but
it's much more than overhead and the
superintendent in his cost to actually
maintain the course of keep it as
beautiful it is that's 525 000 or 37 of
reflection and then 16 go to you know
what we put into our own coffers or
Capital fund or you know important but
we put back in the general fund every
year this year you know we're looking at
164 000 back in the general fund
um so this really I feel helps people
understand how the golf course is
actually managed where the money's going
so that if someone were to ask you know
what how much does it cost to keep the
course
looking like it does it's 525
000 37 of all of our revenues
um it's just a good number to have and
they said that in that magazine that
every Court should know what it costs to
maintain that that's great so that's
what these are uh coated up against each
other now the red one is what I wanted
to talk with you about
um you know I put this budget together
with Matt in June in mainly June
um I would like to request to increase
fuel oil and grease uh we we decreased
it a little bit
um from 20 to 10. I'd like to
reestablish it at 20 because we are
seeing just our our bills are going up
and not down and so I'd like to maintain
that at 20 and not reduce it to 10. and
that is one
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uh yes 71.84-70
. I did speak with Mr Ferrari about this
before the meeting
so we changed that from 10 to 20. so you
want that I would like to put it back
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one of the reasons too is that we were
expecting that spot
to collect your cards okay the cost of
fuel is done correct yeah so so even
though we're cutting it it's still going
to cost us the same at 20 grand foreign
term savings though right
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any question on that
go ahead I think it's appropriate
especially for the sake of transparency
I know it's all particle funding we as a
council a lot of it to put a portion of
that to an irrigation system would you
mind just expanding on how that affects
portion of the budget positivity
well certainly gonna the water is going
to be certainly allocated much more
evenly
and
it's going to be less labor intensive
how that's going to break out in terms
of Mike's costs I'm not quite sure yet
um
he's going to be able to do things on
the golf course they normally can't get
to because he's
so dedicated to doing the irrigation
system the way it is now so just to give
you an example the current system is a
single row manual system
so in the height of summer when it's 90
degrees and he's out there watering he's
not just watering to get water into the
ground he's trying to keep his place
alive right so they literally have to go
out and take a head and I think
some of you were here when he did that
demonstration but he literally takes the
head and puts it into a coupler and puts
it in and they go so he can irrigate a
hole and a half whereas if the other
Golf Course can do their entire facility
at once so you can see how time time
consuming that can be
if the regular system is going he's
doing it at night so when he comes in
it's already irrigated he doesn't have
to do it so now that he can attend to
the finer details
paying attention to the more of the
Landscaping beds making the course a
little more pristine in that area so I'm
not really sure yet just how the cost
breakdown is going to be for water I
don't know how much we're going to say
the water maybe to marry you might the
other tractor that is we're not going to
see the full savings until 24 you know
we're mapping out a
fairly aggressive timeline
to put it in 23
I'm still skeptical in some of these
contracts with supply issues and
actually being able to implement it so
that we're going to get it in is Matt's
outlined who's going to be a shift in
resources is there a point where we go
back and actually reduce the expenses of
the maintenance or do we reallocate some
of the manpower to do uh
some of the finer work that isn't
getting done now
and it's just
approaching some of the fluid situation
where sitting here tonight you can't
make uh
firm recommendations or decisions
the the other thing to point out is
you know Matt and I had a conversation
just before this meeting about it one of
the things that I would say is one of
our biggest concerns is actually Mike
and the day he decides to retire
Mike has been with the forest for I
believe almost 20 years yeah well over
and he knows the course he knows the
manual system and he's prepared to work
on it he has a lot of you know intrinsic
knowledge because of that
um we are trying to find error parents
who are trying to find people that you
know be able to do something but the
system is extremely difficult to work on
when we did put out an RFP two years ago
as per our purchasing code as we did get
replies one of the biggest uh complaints
was about the system and about how
cumbersome it would be for someone to
learn it this new system is being
totally automated GPS into a computer
program and available on a mobile app it
will be available to more people to be
able to understand it than the original
system so if it does set us up for even
more savings and efficiencies in the
future because right now if we were to
have someone not like come onto our
course the learning curve would be
very Steep and they they may have they
may struggle with it the amount of money
time that they put into turning on the
battles in the summertime is is a lot so
you know I don't know how long it's
going to be there but this is hopefully
helping us in the future when he is not
there with the mapping system because
the new system when we have a ribbon
cutting here it's going to be impressive
it's going to be a really great system
the technology nowadays is incredible
like you can literally see on your phone
and it'll give you every single
sprinkler head on your phone so if one's
not operation it'll tell you that this
isn't performing up to standards and you
can you can say I want to put one
sprinkler head on the 15th grain and run
just slowly that head
and you can do it right from your phone
it's it's pretty impressive so but we'll be able to water every square inch
of that Golf Course evenly
and use less water which is the best
part thank you
yes sorry I'm looking at them
um the carts
um I think we spoke to the Yamaha guy at
the EV Fair
um
right and um he wasn't really sure about
the timing on when we might get the
carts even because of some of the supply
issues right so I don't know if you have
a update
um yeah so I mean he's confident that we
should be able to have him by the time
we get our order in but we currently
have the fleet existing in our cart Barn
that if they don't they're if they're
not into the supplies on that timeline
we will still be able to use the ones
that we have so it's not like we're
going to be left with nothing
um but uh he's pretty confident that
we'll get the fleet that we want and if
we don't it might be pushed back a month
or two
absolutely but at least we have that
fall back
so I think it's worth mentioning that
this might be a really great opportunity
um for you know the youth employment uh
program that the mayor performance was
talking about this gentleman who's been
dedicated basically it's entire life to
uh to the golf course if we want to look
at something that's sustainable I think
that this would be a really good
opportunity and it's just something we
should think about I'm actually
um guardian of Forlani who sits at our
Golf Community as a president
golf committee he spoke with Jennifer
Lawrence from the seed Center yeah we're
going to be meeting with her next month
to kind of discuss what your describing
right now and how we can move forward
but we actually do uh the mayor brought
this to my attention a couple years ago
we actually do a pretty good employment
boost through Schenectady High School
and I've sent out flyers and
applications through the guidance
counselors over there and we've actually
got some great kids over the years
through Schenectady High and so it's
been a nice little channel for those
that have been interested
uh mentioned the scholarship that the
one young man yes yeah one of the
council meetings coming up pretty soon
we were going to present through the PJ
of America we're doing a scholarship
through uh uh when Ricardo gretley whose
father is a teacher at the high school
as well
um you know he assisted Us in trying to
do a life-saving uh individual that had
passed away he was one of our tournament
executive directors and he had a heart
attack on the golf course and
unfortunately we didn't get there in
time but it was pretty traumatic and for
a kid of his age to have to go through
that
you know I was you know it was tough and
you could tell that he was pretty shaken
about but the what he did that day went
above and beyond and pga's definitely
going to recognize him on that so they
are offering him a 2500 scholarship
uh I think he's going to Suny Albany
yeah
um great kid and he's been with us for
about five years
um and so we're gonna do you know a
formal presentation you know pretty soon
and I'll obviously get that in the
agenda Samantha I'll probably be
reaching out to you when we can get that
on the schedule
is the uh the new irrigation system
going to have some sort of connection
with the soil humidity
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yeah that would recommend that if it's
costs feasible to do that okay
any other questions
move to the next page are there any
questions employee benefits
or you want to set them out
so yeah they're pretty much steady old
vendors uh of course our social security
went up because uh
support
unemployment insurance is staying steady
we're right at that 27 70 year you know
at the end of the season for the
festival too
of dental and medical trying to keep it
as close possible
in our debt service you know we're uh
we're you know uh
the past few years we have not borrowed
money but using our fund balance to pay
for uh portions of the golf course and
that's why our debt service is
increasing as you see we have no no
bands or no bands for 2022 or 23 and we
have that at zero as you can see our
golf cart the new lease with that
company is going to be a little bit
higher that's what potentially happening
but again that's the reason why we were
thinking about increasing the owners
uh rates from the golf carts not the
golf course
again I'm just down here with the
transfers you can see uh we're going to
go from 151 to 164. transferring money
to the general fund
and our Capital Adventures is what you
know some of the plants that we've
planted what moved to Capital
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yes you're on there but we
yeah
well just because
I know people that play golf might be
interested in doing that
I'm sorry
because I know people that may want to
be interested in sure absolutely thank
you you have those names experience just
send them to me
okay let me know when you have the mini
golf committee then um
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do you bring your own equipment
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but from what I'm told is that you know
we have this really really a great
course here as and I think that there's
nothing really comparable around me as
far as the most important courses are so
I was wondering did we consider possibly
raising the all of the fees there the kind of or
are we kind of like in that place of
where we're yeah
um earlier in the session I had actually
briefly mentioned that this year we
actually raised the season passes oh yes
and the daily key rates as well so I
don't think that we would
do that again yeah
um keep them steady and then bump up the
car fees just because we're going to
have not extra expense and need to
offset that you know but when you
compare our fees to other golf courses
we're still yeah yeah that's what I
would say that's right that's what I
that's one of them in my opinion that's
I think
a strong value is because what we offer
is such a great golf course but we're
still you know either at or below all
the other competitors so and I think a
lot of the players appreciate that and
when you actually show that you're doing
things to improve your course and then
you raise your fees I think players are
more apt to say okay I'll still play
that but if you just raise your fees
just because you say inflation and you
don't do anything right
so and that's one of the things we've
done over the last eight years is
something to be proud of we've done a
lot of work up there wouldn't you say
Anthony actually
the other thing is that if we take
messages saying okay all the fees very
seriously and we actually strategize
between myself and Matt and the mayor
bringing the golf Committee involved on
how we're going to do it and the
perceptions of it so last year we
decided you know was the conversation of
you know this is a good time to do it
we're trying to raise money for
irrigation we're trying to do these
things we haven't done it so we did a
significant one and we did get pushback
from season pass holders and people
about didn't need to but I'll tell you
man Matt can attest to the season pass
holders did come back because the value
is still there yeah I mean they were
upset about it but they did not
department and I'm not saying that
that's wrong or right I'm just saying
but the value is still there similarly
you know to Matt's point about when we
do something on a show we're going to
bring a new Fleet and it's going to be a
lithium I mean state-of-the-art Fleet of
cards you know we're going to bring it
up that bit to recoup that similarly
I'll just you know talk uh one of the
things that we have discussed that's not
proposed here but once again it's these
little things to try to help our help
without doing it is if you're looking at
the budget CR 71 8491.
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um so credit card fees are increasing um
we are seeing them just expose the use
of credit cards so one of the things
once again has been taught as a group
about is on the possibility of next year
on either instituting a fee and passing
those fees on or we've actually caught
Mr Mayor about using another vendor
whereas the fees are lower to try to
help ourselves lower that expense as you
say courses in the area are doing this
yes not only of course I think
restaurants
definitely it's just happening it's
become very popular now a lot of these
companies are coming in they're allowing
the business to apply the up charge so
if it's 14.81 cents
you know the 81 cents if that's the fee
that's occurred to put that back on the
customer
yeah instead of the credit card fee
going into the business
a couple companies uh about credit card
fees and I were looking at into exactly
that to try to lower the fees yeah and
to be fair to people we are working with
our concessionaire uh June news girl on
having her provide the clubhouse with an
ATM there is no current ATM it's a big
complaint that Matt gets we are working
with June and next season she will have
an ATM so that you know
I think we prefer less cash because it's
a little bit more honest to add the
credit card but I'm just trying to make
the point these are the things that
we're also trying to
you know keep the health of the the
budget alive and keep it going and these
little things we think are levels really
help
because you see you know the the costs
are just going up for those fees the
credit card fee we were to go back I
mean it was five thousand dollars you
know
that's crazy
but I think also too I realized uh at
the golf course there's about 90 90
percent who's uh it's matters a lot yeah
hmm
any other questions before we move to
Capitol
okay
two things
there's a maintenance equipment and the
driving range netting and of course I
put into the irrigation system uh with
using article funds I just want to make
sure so that we you know I always know
that's there yeah and if you want to
talk about the driving range netting
well these points we're not borrowing
any money by the way we're going to be
using uh fun fun balance of reserves out
of the golf course to pay for these
again trying to uh not increase the debt
people
yeah so with the driving range netting
it's just more of a deterrent to stop
the golf balls from getting into the
woods if you ever get up there and you
look at the practice and raise uh it's
not a very big area from the actual tea
to where Route 7 is it's about 230 yards
so we
've restricted to what uh equipment
players can use so to speak because
they'll be banging the golf balls out
into route seven and that could be a
potential problem but to the right
specifically there's a thick
Patrick Woods and a lot of the golf
balls are hidden there so um
I
just trying to retrieve those becomes
very very labor intensive there's going
to be thousands upon thousands of golf
balls in there but if we put a net up it
would at least block that from happening
um and probably save us in the expense
of having to get rainfalls every single
year and replace that
um but yeah I mean the next time you go
up there if you actually take a look and
see what I mean it's not a very big area
it is what it is we're kind of
landlocked in that regard in terms of
size but
um it is a nice range and people like to
use it to come in practice for a month
before it around but it would definitely
help in that regard and it's not really
a super high expense what we're looking
for right well no I put a round number
in there once I was working with cha
Sports again because this will have to
be good which is complex but to match
the point when we had a golf course
architect doing uh our investigation for
the of the Master's plan we asked him to
look at the ring and in
2015 yeah 15 or 16. to be able to hit a
driver required netting in excess of
five hundred thousand dollars we're
talking 130 foot poles because even
though even myself or Matt even the
mayor can't hit over those Nets you have
to be able to prepare it for
300 and
a 350 yard hitter and so they can't
design something without someone who
could hit over it and the cost was
excessive so just to put it in Matt has
been telling me about this
so what we're looking at is 40-foot
utility holes yeah um you know not not
big metal poles like you see a stadium
or Eagle Crest but you know utility
poles driven into the ground for The
netting system on them so that we're
catching 80 of the Wayward balls into
the woods and then we'll be able to
arrange pick them a lot easier because
when you go up there and look those
woods are like
and and they serve you know someone may
say what about taking them they serve as
protection for both of the 11th over
green and then we have the 12T so we
really want to leave the woods and we
just want to stop if he's when we go to
the range balls like
pretty good clip yeah you're not cheap
anymore either no no and you can't get
them that's another thing right it's a
bit more expensive and they're hard to
get and then equipment wise I'm talking
with Mike we're looking at the big thing
is uh you know possibly getting because
he was he's trying Mike like he's trying
to set us up for Success after him and
these conversations are actually taking
place is after he has gone what we may
need because we own equipment and right
now we are actually as part of our lease
agreement we pay Mike to come in and do
certain services and use his equipment
so we're going to try he's recommending
that we get a couple pieces of a deep
time aerator uh a new track with a fully
aerator and so and also a greens roller
our greens roller was bought 10 years
ago we use it all the time and it's
fantastic it's not a big machine but our
greens have never been better never yep
so some of the equipment we're looking
to purchase and that's likely we can get
it by 2024
thank you
any questions
thank you guys thank you thank you very
much
thank you the presentation thank you
have a great evening yes good luck with
having the rest of the budget thank you
see you later
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yeah
he wants us to stay in a solution that's
fine
why does anybody want to leave
snacks we have no snacks
age 41.
so a total Court enforcement is up 121
146 about 920 250
that increase that's mostly from
salaries I just want from one of the
things that we want to take with to say
right off the bat is the new employees
for 2023 uh Mr one wanted to set up as a
top of their grades at the grade six so
they all make the same money which would
be about 58 uh
58.
50 yeah 58040 all that step six is that
way uh they have a better competition
with the other municipalities other than
that actually leaving The Villages pay
more
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uh actually uh we have some exciting
things we've actually been able to hire
some some new employees uh to the
building department we we put five
employees on uh this year we have a six
one coming next week hopefully
um yeah
um and so that would be five officers
and one administrative staff
so uh we're getting the help we need
we've seen the turn you know since 2020
I've had jobs posted uh you know that's
2019. really uh you know and then Kobe
came and then there was a uh a big drop
off when we were getting anybody to
apply
um and it seems now we are getting some
applications in now and uh everybody's
local so let's say it could have been
playing we we also have a new uh
electrical inspector for the city
um uh Bobby Curtis a great employee
and uh our former employee has resigned
so we were able to fill that position
quite quickly
um code enforcement is going in a good
direction uh we're currently working
with uh municity to update our Software
System and our inspection system
and really had very detailed and uh
inspections uh above what other code
enforcement departments are doing out
there currently our inspections be far
superior to
most southern departments if not all
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so far this year
off of our rental inspections that
we we have brought that up uh you know
one what I got here is you know a
million thousands and uh you know to
bring the program around and get we're
getting a lot of uh voluntary compliance
for people to come in on the change of
occupancy which was which was a hard
turn to to get these people to come in
but for now we're really turn the corner
and have a great success
uh since you're talking about in terms
of foreign
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we've now got online permitting uh
through the city's website we're looking
to update that
um and get on board with a software
system that's called City squared it's
part it's part of Unicity so the
perfect consumer can get their permits
online and eventually be able to pay for
it without coming into City Hall so
that's that's the hope there we are
looking into
working on remote inspections and this
is something that uh
is you know since 2020 the state has
looked at you know how remote
inspections can be done like code
enforcement and so this is some things
that we're looking for in the future of
you know what that inspection may look
like and it's uh that's really at the
beginning stages we haven't entertained
any inspections at all about that at
this point but uh going forward it's
going to be
part of our program could you tell me
the name again of that city city Square
thank you
talk about Staffing are you a fully
staffed at this point no
um we've got eight Code Enforcement
Officers we've now filled the supervisor
position I came to you guys earlier this
year and asked for an amendment a budget
amendment for the full-time assistant
building inspector that that's now
filled
so I would need two code enforcement
officers
non-marfi and then we've got two that
are to fill for our so there's four
vacancies in code enforcement officers
and then one administrative staff of
Claire fillet position that's currently
available
hmm
yeah
excuse me and there's one there's a
principal code enforcement specialist is
currently open also excuse me
um
that was his position you know
so that that explains why the salary was
lowered to history at a level yes
yeah based on the steps that we've
dropped it back down to start raining
again yeah
on a question on the building inspector
the salary is dropping down to 83 500.
yeah
the job person is Randy housing so what
is the difference there well I mean I
wasn't aware that it was at 90 000 and I
believe we were supposed to be at 83.5
Canada for us please
do you ever make a knife
is going to be
in moving it as a yes as a
commission Deputy Commission on the gas
and uh there's the new person
naively it will be naive we'll be
starting as a
building a building inspector yeah so um
the thought of bringing it back to
really the original spot where I took on
five years ago
um also now that there's an assistant
building inspector that's full-time some
of these duties can be
supervisors
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so then that will lead me to the next
page party to the other part-time staff
where you have 79 900 yeah so I've left
that in there as I've assisted
um a part-time assistant and inspector
um if we get to a level and we find some
talented diesel vectors actually train
our code enforcement officers and bring
in I'd like to have that money available
to
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um
for training purpose this year
absolutely
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I did a uh actually this week I had a
really talented uh code enforcement
officer Works in two different
municipalities
um Rensselaer and uh for red soy Bill
and
um selcook I believe you worked at um
you know that's really you know and he
just really didn't end up being a good
fit for maybe a trainer here in
you know in this program that I have
going on but uh that's the talent that
I'd really like to bring in somebody
that has uh you know 20 years of
experience uh maybe you haven't retired
from the state and you know really has a
passion for code enforcement
my my next question is um beats for
service you're dropping it to 25 000.
yeah so um uh I I it was set at 65 000
last year or this current budget um I've
never spent that money I'm always
fiscally responsible I'd say the money
I've never gone higher than 25
000 in one year since I've been here
primarily I use that funds for
emergencies that happen around the city
to get
engineering firms and services on board
to to be advised and so
um usually Chase it which is turned over
to LaBella this year if they've done a
complete change and I've had great
success with them and
um
kind of run the contract around
go ahead so I'm looking down here it has
in-service training and could you tell
me how that's different from the
training that you were just talking
about
a moment ago around
to keep that
budget line open in order to uh train
the guys that you have now yep so any
service training we're reducing that um
currently
um
we have as I said
some of the older staff that was here we
have five new staff with that training
that we're going to have is a state mandated training that costs no money for the municipality the first
year is really going to be free
ongoing though
they will need a 24-hour in-service
training which
we have historically always paid for the
offices so this first year we're going
to see a benefit that we're not going to
have to spend that as much money as as
we get projected before
based on the Staffing levels
foreign
actually this this coming Monday
I'm bringing him on because the state
training starts actually on Monday so I
didn't want him to fall six months
behind my other four officers that I did
hire and keep them right on the on Pace
with everyone else
the the training for code enforcement in
the learning curve is loyal there's a
lot to know
and it's it you know we have 12 volumes
of Code Enforcement uh the books that
are you know thousands of pages thick
and it's it's these guys job to
find the right code cite the right code
we've seen this but we have the states
at that uh the the wedge weight building
right that my officers took the uh the
property site of the wrong code wasted a
lot of people's time you know really and
uh you know it's really the training to
get them the knowledge of really knowing
the proper violations to right and and
uh and and right in the right Manner and so that totally really worked on
we've just had a great success with that
building and now that's going to be
uh redeveloped and in a nice project
here in the city so
go ahead another question it's not
really about training but however maybe
causes
um the rules and guidelines are
so um in terms of Code Enforcement
Officers let's say let's say
specifically that there's a stock work
order or they go out and they see
somebody working who doesn't have um
to commit
so is there a discretion as to what they
could do with it or their hard and fast
rules and how that works so
um
there's absolute discretion in the
department and the way that we'd like to
handle it is we'd like to get the person
back in the office the same day but a
lot of times uh people may this may be
their first time ever interacting with
code enforcement they they really don't
know the process
and how to how to get a permit or obtain
a permit or or they even know they
needed a permit so uh I would like to
and always have discretion to work with
these people to really get them to get
the permit that's compliance is our main
goal and so um
a lot of fees a lot of times we'll put a
stop work order on and then we will
leave the fees just to get the project
once they uh
you know obtain the permissions
so kind of more to that point I think I appreciate you know that being willing
to work with people that's what we want to get people in new clients I
guess I would just think about and this
again is more about process is that if it's
too much discretion then you know there
can be a lot of different variables as
to how decision is made so I would just
you know be mindful around like that
because I think that's something you
know if I'm you know told hey
you can't do that work until you get
this permit
um I need you to come in tomorrow you
know take it by tomorrow morning to get
that done and then but my neighbor tells
me oh the guy came tell me I'd be there
today you know so just you know those
kind of discrepancies you know and I'm
sure there's a lot of like I said
there's a lot of different variables
depending on what the job is or what it
is but I want to just make sure that you
know because I think that that's on what
council the president was talking about
like I know that we've been giving some
feedback around kind of different
messages to different residents
you're absolutely right now I don't
think that we want out there that
there's discrimination in the way that
we handle as a work order for sure
um if and if it takes a written policy
of how how we handle a stock worker I
can clearly write a policy Planet paid
Trader and uh you know people across the board to
every case that we come across
but I also want to leave some autonomy
enhance the professionals to make to
make certain judgments so it's kind of
just about achieving that necessary
balance you know what I mean yeah in the
past I thought you know you know ways to
read them uh stock work orders you know
you have a 500 stock work order on a
large commercial uh contractor this
really is not a lot of money or he
doesn't really care you know the
homeowner May care about the 500 so
maybe there's a revamp in the fees and
how it's looked at uh commercially to a
residential or a first or to second or
third time offender of of the
uh permitting process that that we look
at
changing that policy in Facebook also
I can definitely write something up
though
any other questions
about the residence versus developer but
that's awesome
yeah yeah yeah but it's uh you know
something that you know it they they're
not as fearful of that 500 says as
somebody that you know lives week two
weeks
thank you
very good thank you thank you Chris
thank you always
thank you everyone I appreciate you all
thank you
oh I'm sorry oh
um so there's a mind that there's if
it's not good the info processing
specialist before I see it on your in
your budget but I
and also the
um
together
foreign
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never any thought of putting that in
there so that would definitely be an
error I did look at
um
uh potentially moving uh an individual
from my PS3 to a net PS4 yeah you
thought about that
and
um
I'm opening to whatever anybody who here
wants to do
actually
are you recommending it I mean it's just
like cleaning out very recommended this
person well been along the time where
they you know it looks like it's an
opportunity to move them up I I think
that
um sometimes it won't even look at
long-term employees here in the city we
have to Value them okay and take them
for the services that they provide a
little over this long period
um
in ips3 in our PS4 the IPS for
has a lot more responsibilities in my
opinion versus an ips3 I think there's
not many IPS scores in the city of
Schenectady I think there are maybe
three three people with that position
the person that I was going to recommend
for the ips3 they would they will take
on a lot more responsibilities if they
are put into an IPS score and uh it
would it would probably eliminate a
principal code enforcement specialist
and that person would actually be the
supervisor of those people or or the
administrative staff
it will along with the duties that the
principal code enforcement specialist
had
to become the IPS floor
so could we just know what what the
budget looked like differently the
amount if that were filled
yes would be uh come from three or four
of you from forty five thousand four
twenty three to uh fifty three thousand
then 40. so it's about a
so uh seven thousand four hundred seven
thousand five hundred dollars thank you
but you'd be eliminated
eliminating the 48 936 right it's
currently open yeah a lot of savings
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um
specialists
5314 yeah
something for us to consider
did you end up you said you were if you
would add that you would eliminate one
yeah
right I would like to keep the ips3
which would if there's if we do an IPS
four I'd like to keep that on IPS three
eliminate the uh code enforcement
Specialists keeping the IPS 3 leaving
room for other people to grow into
another spot that's that's there so
um
in in other uh like our code enforcement
uh that we have a supervisor position
that's somewhere for them to grow and
then now there's a full-time assistant
so our administrative staff really needs a place to grow into and and once
uh you know they top out on their steps
they feel stagnant and like they have to
go somewhere else to uh to achieve that
success in life so that that was really
a thought
thank you thank you
all right
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yeah
all right I got I got facilities
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um
we'll do a page 12.
all right
thank you
okay so Property Management staff
building in the drums and security do
you want to give us uh
you know he had a
30 35
000 35 979 increase which is uh
success
increase access
I'm sure I cannot believe this question
yeah
so uh facilities Building Maintenance
um facilities Department which is uh
under the department of engineering
um we maintain
City Hall
police department and four fire
departments as well as the parked
buildings for the most part essentially
it's the non-water and Sewer buildings
in the city which are handed on default
he handles his water into a building's
under those codes unless some need to
Rises
um under that as a supervisor of
buildings that's Joe Payne Jones he's
been in that role for several years
invaluable to the city and his role of
handling all the day-to-day activities
that's necessary around all those
buildings
um so Joe is there we have his longevity
which is typical it's handed to me shift
differential for our cleaning staff as
we know we run two different shifts of
cleaning staff so we have a shift
differential we have our cleaners who
are both stacked here and at the police
department we have a 4-2 split but you
know they do work hand in hand so we do
rotate them if need be they all have
overtime allowance usually it's for
weekend things it just has spectacular
we have the Children's Art Festival
sometimes there's a need to have them so
we keep that there there is a stipend
that is uh for Joe as he is on call 2027
if we have issues that is his on-call
stipend uniform tool allowance that is
the Bluetooth stipend each of them gets
an annual stipends for boots
uh and then we get into the the meat of
it which is the expenses
um I gave a handout out on and the first
page of that handout is what I call a
facility budget overview for repairs and
fees if you're looking at the total
you're going to see that there are two
lines that are significantly higher than
the others and that is fees for service
and repairs
um so the fees for service and repairs
those are the most critical that you
manage the other lines that you see
phone expense that's for a cell phone
laundry Windows fumigation I mean that's
General business four thousand dollars
supplies
paint hardware supplies things that we
need
cleaning supplies that's when you go
into the bathroom that's our Pacific
Blue we have hand towels toilet paper
soap you know so those are our general
things but I wanted to break out and
show you the fees and the repairs
um so when I got assigned to facilities
I was handed a box with a bunch of keys
in it and a list of phone numbers to
call in case of emergency
um it's just not how you run a
facilities the idea was when it breaks
you fix it
and if it's not broken it's fine
um so you know we started transitioning
I worked a lot with Anthony on this
um at the time our facility person was
Peter cadutson who's over at the county
now you know Peter did a great job but
when Peter left we knew Joe
um and what I wanted to show in this
illustration was the goal has always
been to reduce the repair costs and
increase the fee costs and that second
page that I provided you with is the
list of fees that make up our fees for
service
um this didn't exist it took years and
it's still an evolving list so it we add
to it every year for his instance at the
bottom window washing we've met with
window washing company so we made a
significant investment of a million
dollars into the windows of this
building uh next year after pollen
season we will be hiring a company to
come and watch the windows and we're
looking to put that as a three-year
rotation of washing windows we have a
very small outfit that is terrific I
mean charges us pennies and he goes down
and he cleans the police department and
the Bureau of service all your guys were
ecstatic you know what was the last time
you hadn't cleaning windows but we found
someone that does it you know under a
3500 parts of procurement
um these windows because of how
elaborate they are are not under 3500
these are uh you know expensive Windows
between but that's just the new thing
that we have on there
um to do so what I just wanted to show
was
um we are we are successfully doing that
our repair lines are going down our fees
are going up the overall budget you'll
notice it's pretty stagnant for you know
one percent four percent zero percent
two percent you know we're we're
hovering there but we don't have as many
repairs and the reason is we're doing
more maintenance we're staying on top of
things and also
um we have Capital codes now dedicated
to facilities so that we do have a major
issue we're using Capital money and
operating money and that's keeping
things right
the accounting is more accurate so I
wanted to just show you uh those two
things you know you could look at this
list you know this is our main list as
we go down but you know the monitoring
cooling tower inspections or electric
vehicles elevator means for every
building making sure our exhaust systems
our turf management our fire
extinguishers we have Gates generators
we just had a generator issue today
all of these fees that we go Overhead
Doors locksmiths telephones water
treatment systems this building now has
you know just a water softener but we
also have an injection system for the
boiler because you know we have hard
water so as much as we can to keep that
water PH neutral it helps the longevity
of our pipes here and you know this gets
updated whenever we have a new agreement
whenever we have anything we update to
sheet because then it gives me that
total on the bottom that total gets kind
of plugged in and we work from that so I
mean Anthony and I've been working on
this EC the results uh Liz who was tough
to please she's really been seeing this
you know she's been happy about it so I
think uh that it's going but those are
the two big ones uh similarly though I
want to point your attention to 1622
470a
I would like to increase that tomorrow I
did with the uh golf course I'd like to
bring that up to ten thousand
500 just so if you're asking the
question of why is it 24 34 the year
before what ended up happening is we
found the heating bills in 2022 this
year and so the bills went to a
different department okay we got them
yeah that number is not actually 24 34.
it's actually closer to 7 500 but we
paid for those out of this year's codes
we made it work it's fine but I just
want if you're looking past history that
number is not necessary representative
and this eating fuel is for Arts
buildings we have
Parts building that I.T and signals is
in we have a kennel we pay for that for
the count it's kind of the miscellaneous
buildings heating so far so we'd like to
move that off because fuel toss our
continued up to ten thousand up to ten
thousand we think that'll be fine we
look at our past history and we've never
exceeded really nine so that gives us
enough pushing we think to go and if we
have to we can always figure it out but
I I think that 6500 is too well enough
thank you
um so that is
that oh no there's one more thing to
facilities
uh we can talk about it in Mobile
engineering if you like I don't have my
orb charts written and things like that
but I haven't even had a chance to talk
with Paul about this uh because it's
kind of new is that Mr panjon is uh
looking to retire possibly as early as
March as I talked today uh with the
latest he is here until July
I talked with Anthony about it right
before our meeting because that is
critical to me
um losing that position which is a
day-to-day position and having to have
myself cover that workload will halt
engineering until we can replace them so
I just wanted to make you aware of that
we're going to most likely post the
position in the future and try to figure
out how we can have at least a couple of
month overlap with someone in jail
because there is a lot of interest and
knowledge you have to have over all the
buildings
just the keys and the personnel and you
know it's it's it's a day-to-day job so
that is a big deal for us
so um if you hire the new person would
um
would perhaps the salary be reduced a
little bit for the remainder of the year
because it becoming a lower salary than
with Japan Jones that's a little
offensive you know because then that
might make up on the 3500 meal okay
yeah and we have to we'll have to see
what we get but at the same point that's
what I wanted to make it wears because
Aunt and Eric and Paul we're going to
sit down and talk about where it's going
to come from uh you know there is some
salary capacity in engineering right now
um you know so maybe we move it from an
engineer to here
um so that we're not regardless if it
does happen we'll be coming back here
probably with a budget amendment to make
you aware of it but uh like I said this
is just new news for me and I want to be
sure if the show is everybody here is
critical but Joe is so day to day that
is something that we're going to have to
look at
all right questions
no question my questions were answered
thank you sir
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John you have one question oh go ahead
sorry no I apologize and I'm like just
kind of wanted to make sure that this is
in one of your projection it was a 1622
122 that museum overtime a significant
jump that's in line with what we were
talking about we're having those hours
for that stuff yeah I mean it is
dependent on what we have for events for
the seat up in 2021 we were at nine
thousand dollars this year we're
projected you know a little bit more I
think that is it's safe now that we have
full staff as well with including two
people on we're also this is just
shop things we're also putting making
sure that we always have someone staffed
here at the police department every two
days
it sounds inconsequential I know but
what the policy was usually was people
got the holiday off via Friday or a
Monday but what was happening is the
police department at that third day was
24 7 facility nobody was there cleaning
it for three days that third day we were
hitting a break you know trash
overflowing bathrooms needed to be
cleaned so we started Staffing for every time that we would have you
there's no longer three days off so even
if it is a holiday we stacked two people
there for instance uh Columbus day that
we just had we will have two people
there just for four hours but the four
hours on a holiday is double time but
it's a critical thing because we were
getting a lot of complaints when we were
going three days with 24-hour shifts
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any other questions
so we only I I uh I wanted to hand out
for the third sheet uh that I created so
we're just going to talk about
facilities right now
and uh if you look at facilities that
just I know I would get a question about
what the general facility improvements
is
um so General facility Improvement is
the top half here of your facility
improvements so the projects that we're
looking to complete next year are the
sanding and painting of The Clock Tower
the lights right now are being
refurbished we have the linears back the
spotlights are pending they'll be coming
back from Vegas hopefully soon and we'll
get the lights back to illuminate the
clock tower uh station one HVAC system
is original in the building so 1981 and
we're having a lot of issues with it
with regards to just a lot of leagues
and inefficiencies the police department
has what is called a Shore it needs to
be replaced it is a very expensive
elaborate piece of equipment
um so we're looking to replace that SPD
Locker Room Shower facilities this is
something focused really on the female
shower and Locker facilities they are
inadequate and we would like to upgrade
them so that they are at least adequate
and if not maybe Beyond adequate
um then we have some fencing insecurity
at the fire department at station one
they're looking they have a lot of
cross-through traffic because it's an
open area something that we've been
talking with them about we've actually
had a conversation with the county about
maybe combining some locks there and the the mayor's been helping with that
as long as those achieved and then uh
SPD generator we just had a major
coolant leaked at the generator today
um it's a diesel generator it's interior
it's been there
um I don't think it has sufficient
capacity to actually power things like
the elevator and some of the more
critical systems that we'd like to have
so we're opening that uh
study we can replace it with an exterior
generator or replacing it with an
interior generator that's a little bit
larger and capable of powering more
things at the PD because we have more
power requirements now
um and then below that is the arpa
funded City Hall of ventilation
um Anthony I would in the final budget
if possible maybe take out the words
HVAC and just call it City Hall
ventilation because it's a ventilation
system it's meant to just sponge air out
of the building and that's why you
usually just see it in bathrooms and
large public areas such as upstairs
so those are the facilities capital
projects
foreign
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level of which to address first would
you be able to prioritize the facility
improvements sure
um so the number one facility
Improvement right now is going to be
station one
um HVAC upgrades that's probably going
to be because that is going to be
involved it's going to be a bid
um I will say the second is the locker
room over at the PD uh that probably one
and one a and I think that that really
is something that we need to do
um and after that you get into kind of a
splitting hairs a little bit I would say
it's short because I think the chiller
is an easier project to complete it's an
equipment completion
um we'll be able to fit that fairly
easily I mean I I could call train and
they could do it on their own problem is that procurement you can't just
patreon right right 400 some thousand
dollars even though really it's all in
the labor is a fraction of what the
equipment calls much like our Paving
contracts you know where it's all in the
asphalt you know that's the chiller so
I'd really like to get that done
um then the clock tower uh that is
probably going to be important just
because it's Critical with weather you
don't want it too hot you don't want it
too humid
um and I mean last would be a fencing
definitely you know fencing is the
lowest priority and then somewhere the
generator we have a generator the
generator is functioning this would just
be the upgrade the generator and then
we're already working on the building
ventilation because that was approved so
I've already had a meeting with a
consultant so that one's kind of already
going
but definitely
um HVAC and locker room facilities are
at the top that's outcomes to get moving
on and that's you know and uh this is there but we also right now
we're doing the way I talk about this I
got to talk about a doctorate facilities
right now we're doing the firing range
uh the spe has an ongoing construction
project we're renovating the emergency
uh response power the fire tower over by
the golf course we're building a new uh
practice facility practice so training
facility over at uh the fire facility
next to there we took down the old
Smokehouse so we're building a facility
that'll be more universally used we're
looking at working with the fire station
to replace carpeting we're really trying
to move away from carpeting especially
in the fire facilities where you track a
lot of you know things on with your
boots so we've been working on that
we're going to be doing all new uh
probably uh like it's called luxury
vinyl flooring removing all the carpet
that's the capital project we have going
on now so there's a there's quite a few
things going on now with capital these
are to add to that so we're never at a
wash rewards
yep right now I think I need to
encourage you to spend more money but I
was just wondering earlier you were
talking about are
the lock systems himself I was wondering
like we ever have any thought about like
maybe like props for
throughout so all the doors yeah
remember we have discussed it we look at
it periodically and it's there is an
expense in what's the actual utilization
of the locks and the and the impact of
the building you know where you have to
run that wire and get everything to each
one and we're it involves a lot of a lot
of drilling a lot of wiring and then the
cost of most benefits better than right
there yeah I mean I I really I I think
you know as a city we've done a really
great job people really like you know we
have the key fob system and we have one
point of entry which is great we have a
secure you know I think we're getting
there I think people actually feel a
little bit more secure now in the
building because you know for the first
of the pre-coding four doors in four
doors out
a little a little odd you know who was
able to lose wear now with the building
locks down I really I think it works I
personally what I'm going to be probably
working for is I've tried uh
but it was squashed once by a previous
Finance commissioner it drives me nuts
that we have the high school bathroom
situation that we have and I hate it
which is to go to the bathroom you need
to get a key actually one Department the
keys attached to a ruler you know so you
know I'm looking at something like that
uh upgrading to like a keypad or you can
just do a code you know like the same so
there's certain things like that for
Access but it would be nice to have I
think the files for tracking but I think
what we have now is a nice nice
compromise
there we go all right thank you thank you thank you guys on Thursday
yeah
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yeah
all right
um
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so this page uh 31 and let's go in order
to Pages then so that is sometimes all
right
let's look at the total uh service which
includes uh Administration maintenance
garage uh snow and ice uh totals were
all about four versions is 600 673 000
561 entries that's a 15 almost to 16
increase
yeah
with
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um
Sean Walker Sean um
you're 33 uh here's the 72 31st
Thursday
yeah
that's my personal service
Administration starts off with um
crew leader Sean Locker we have Sean
Walker Chris moroney
um
two
supervisors and the contractual CSEA
Mike Cerrone
location me and just go through the
description okay so before we walk the
street department manager uh put this up
to which no I got mine because these are
food
100 pages so I put markers just do the
job description no names job description
of the street department manager
um it's a management range 88 400 for a
percent
um IPS three we have one
um 43 993 thousand dollars
um increases there are all contractual
um mostly contractual demand at one
management management four percent raise
which brings that total from 202 to 259.
um shift differential
his contractual has gone up and standby
pay if you look quite a difference one
is the increase in the 1037 raise
we look at the race um
22 it's about 60 minutes
adjusted for
all the shift different departments
sorry the standby date we have a number
of people who are always on standby to
get standby paid for the Emergency solar
trucks different things so there is an
increase there it's contractual
um shift differential is the winner
overtime
there is no stiping well there is a
cycle we
live yeah
there's a statement for the department
manager since it was left out
inadvertently um oh so it has to okay
other expenses have stayed the same
slight increase with cleaning supplies
just because of inflation for
um you know the Bureau of service down
there
Total Service Administration is up
slightly also because of the contractual
obligations
any question on the service
Administration
no answer mine about the increase in
standby cell okay all right let's move
to the next page Street Service yes okay
I'm on Japanese
contractual longevity I have nobody to
bring me out that is uh I said they were
going to retire
again out of grade is up slightly and
that's because of the increase in
salaries for 1037 members
shift differential is in there
contractual up slightly from 520 to 600
dollars
the fills stay the same in the in the
street department
the increase there for total support and
services always is all associated with
the contractual obligations we have
including cbas
um
overtime 49 000 we'll say they went to
16 because that is a reflection of the
increase in salary is going up
mm-hmm Total Sports salaries
and a number of the bills stay the same
but we are up from the 962 slightly one
million yeah 6 100. again mostly
associated with salary increases um
that things would stand by train and
over time
further expenses
pretty much stayed the same in the one
thing you'll see is that we did tools and Hardware
um one because just the price of
everything going up inflation and the
road materials masonry supplies is where
we get our you know our our black cup
our asphalt our concrete and you know
we've all seen an increase in that
material
in 2022 and we expected to stay where
there's at least for 23.
repairs slightly increased from two
thousand dollars to four thousand
dollars
um
safety supplies we've kept the same but
overall on the total service Street
Maintenance budget from 1.154 million
dollars to change to 1.224
um
biggest hit or salary can benefit
salaries and then in the road materials
and stuff that we have no control for
pricing but we actually can go up
uh 22.
go ahead please so uh the government
series that was my question we don't
enter into a multi-year contracts with
that so it's it's year by year it's year
by year it's usually um the asphalt we
get
um you know it's the the price we get
under State contract
um the filter or pressure run that we
used we usually get locally from larger
because we don't have storage area we
take hundreds of tons in and just use it
as needed and we couldn't have to go get
it as we take a small sort of pile you
know on Foster Avenue but if you don't
have the um you know the real estate to
store large amounts of it we buy large
quantities so we I mean by typical of
like the POS we need it fill holes this
covers our topsoil spray bottle damage
after plowing we have to come back with
auto damage so it'll be top soil you can
crush them on the blacktop concrete
there's a number of things that we use
from typically the local laundry in
different places
so we don't need to contact you buy it
as needed all right thank you
any other questions for this section
all right let's move on to the
mechanical
Mr friends
simple
right we um we had requested a assistant
fleet manager it was removed so we do
have one fleet manager at a salary of 86
through 17 and that's a CSA so that is a
great increase construction obligation
there
longevity
come down slightly
I don't know you know why I don't know
if it was um
uh somebody who left but launched
everything down slightly we did have a
couple people leave early in this year
so it might make the adjustment day long
again two people leave
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um
stay in my day again just contractual
obligations we do have a vacant position
um so we I never recommended that we go
from 5214 to 10 4 28.
and along with overtime at the moment
because the salary increase is from ten
thousand fifteen thousand and it covers
these people bringing them
so different events that we have
parades summer night these people
floating positions people who have
equipment out so we need our Fleet
managers and other stuff
the fills they have stayed the same we
have two welder Fabricators and we have
one heavy our Master Mechanic and we
have three what we call
operator mechanic or heavy equipment
operator mechanic and they work on all
our equipment whether it's heavy
equipment whether it's our trucks all
our vehicles whether cold Vehicles water
sewer they're doing all their work and
they are doing a great job
have three
qualified mechanics now in the shop and
so a lot of the work is being done now
internally
reducing some of our costs that we can
and yet still some goes out because
there are some specialty work that we
can't handle on some of our bigger
trucks
we're just not equipped to do that but a
lot of the maintenance of being done now
in the house tires oil changes
brakes
we are seeing the difference there
good
the other question you um I wanted are
you finished with your overview
well it continues to go we got equipment
so you're going to see some of the costs
go up where we see with phones one is
vacant belt right now
um
uh the phone phone Supply yeah
phone services phones it's 1200. it was
24 and that could be reduced because
there was going to be um that was
covering the assistant Fleet so
assistant fleet was removed so we could
remove twelve hundred dollars from there
if you wanted to
foreign
motor vehicle repair equipment
is going up mostly because of the parts
itself The increased in Parts what we
see is Parts and Equipment oil fuel
grease everything we buy we can go to
the supermarket nowadays everything is
going on yeah
so if that would go up by 158 000 and
more vehicle repair clinic and we also a
line for parts and vehicle equipment
repair has gone up by roughly um twenty
thousand dollars
Total Service mechanical equipment has
gone from 280 264 to 2.519 213.
any questions
the biggest preseason
because that's all bubbles
go ahead please so you said that you
asked for the assistance so could you
just talk about why you know how that
position you need to be in there so we
you know we have three mechanics we have
one fleet manager it's very hard to keep
up with a lot of administrative stuff um
you know with one person when a guy is
out one athlete managers also turning
wrenches and helping you know in the
winter are we putting on blades to
cutting edges
um it's a time machine you can fall off
the others and then previous stuff
doing something more physical
and I do have another question about the
increase in the community
this this line is every like for all cars everything is
okay that's police fire
um ogs water sewer yes
that's the entire list is there a reason
that it's not broken up by Department
like it can be
um I had a request today at 3 30 for
that book
no I didn't request it so that's right
and Joe does said that he does break
that down because anybody who needs fuel
has a code they have energy of those
vehicles and they go to that
you know so we know what we're spending
for police or daughter sooner or police
it's Cody um you have to enter in your
Social Security and everything so it's
cool for budgeting and for expenditures
or purposes is these are people one
place sure that makes sense Paul says we
do recognize and Joe is on vacation so
he's in Florida so he comes back
um
to you okay
go ahead so just uh earlier you're
talking about um kind of the increasing
standby pay he was and you also
mentioned that um you have a vacancy and
so I really thinking so that vacancy
gets built and
you might not need the budget for us
for the employees who are on certain
um signings on certain trucks that they
are there
um
they're being compensated because
they're they're home waiting right so
yeah yeah
wow
almost every night and yeah yeah the
emergency sewer attractions like that um
barricades if there's an accident
um you know fire
and they are called
yes
it's called Saturday for traffic
accident on State and Brandywine it's
called for a cleanup yes
any additional questions
it kind of um it stands on the question
for the fuel oil and grease so there's
only one person that currently can pull
down those reports that yeah don't pulls
all those reports yes it's a one person
that can pull those reports right now okay thank you
stage 34.
it's known as
thankful
that's right here
come on yeah
seriously again
um the 51 42 112 is the overtime and um
yes from 26 800 to 40 000 to account for
increases in salaries for the 1037
numbers
um
out of gray is pretty much sustained we
didn't raise it
we should be fine in the upgrade shift
differential covers the the winter we do
a break into shifts on the first Monday
of December or we do every year and
again I spoke to the union today and
you're agreeing that they want to go
back in at 3 A.M
which is it's a good time because it
gives me the coverage and we need
3M at 3M to get the streets you know
either salted or cleared before school
buses get out traffic starts to pick up
and then he gives an overlap when my
first shift comes in at 6 30. so I have
two crews in and then you know the first
shift will stay until three o'clock and
you know obviously if we need overtime
to go into the second shift over time
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um
not gonna have any snow this year uh I
hope not
we did increase the fees for services
we have our contractors that go out um
with us we usually have about 18 loaders
that we put on contracts for us to help
with our routes
and you know that is a you know
hopefully we don't use much of it
hopefully it doesn't let us know and
hopefully they'll see a storm like we
did two years ago
but the rates for them have stayed the
same but it's just a little more money
indication to go out a little more um
but there was no money increase for the
contractors
okay
tools and Hardware the two thousand
dollar increase is just you know
I would say for the inflationary stuff
that we buy
and Road materials for the snow and ice
on the salt that is just our rock salt
again you know the 45 000 extra dollars
is uh the price increase that we may
anticipate in 23 for rock salt we have
about half a shed right now to get us in
through December maybe November we have
to use a little bit of time
foreign
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over to the parks currently we have they
can position as the parks director that
was posted I went through applications
on
Friday and yesterday so I am reviewing
the director of parks applications right
now we've been getting quite a few
um
currently
Park supervisor contractual cnca a step
increase
again senior groundskeepers we have two
and they they work a sort of a split
schedule because they are covered in the
summer on Saturdays and Sundays because
of the ball fields they maintain the
ball fields including the eight Diamond
so
one versus Saturday one works a Sunday
another you know Friday Saturday offer
Sunday money because we have to have
seven day coverage to get the fields
prepped for the summer so the senior
Brown skiers are still two and there
they did get the increases so there's
just like an increase in the uh in the
Intensive agreement
um we did put on the senior tree trimmer
and we also have a regular tree trimmer
and we have advertised for a tree
trimmer and that's still currently
vacant uh
they're putting trees
um still been a little difficult in some
of our positions in building them
we don't get a lot of applicants because
some of our
members of the our required to have a
CDL from class B license and um
I've got a lot of people you know
sending applications that have a CDL
license and have this requirement for
the city is
so it's only there the only increases
all associated with the um with the cdas
so it did go from 324 394 333 923 to
increase the contractual obligations
so you talked about the CDLs and so
people have to have them when we hire
them right yes was there a time when we
hired people and we got through CBL
while they were there there is in the
waste department if you're coming as a
seasonal
um under the current marketing agreement
in the waste department you can put in
as a seasonal no experience if you're a
you shall promise a good employee a good
work ethic you will move after six
months to a Temper Employment you will
be um there's an increase in pay for
that and then you have nine months to
show good faith effort and then she'll
meet the requirements to become a
permanent employee does that good faith
effort is um
two Sunday we will work with them they
have to get a permit we can't help them
get the permit once they get their CDL
permit we put them in driver's seat of
one of our waste trucks for Packers give
them the experience they need
um when they feel they're ready they'll
schedule their road test and we will
give them the vehicle to take the road
test on if they pass that if there's a
permanent position within the budget you
can put them in and make a
recommendation to put them in we have
had a couple of people a few people go
in
get that CEO and they were made perfect
so we do have the program but it starts
in the least there is no
that's not in the you know Street
division or the water the sewer division
is you need that CEO right then because
you're you're in a you're in a dump
truck you know horse rider right away so
if there is no movement where if they do
they get some of the guys from the waste
division will bid out to you know
another apartment and that opens an Meo
position for that CEO for that person to
be recommended to move up into a
permanent Nel position within the city
with full benefits again
thank you
go ahead so for those um positions do
you um
I know you're saying that you're not
giving a lot of applicants um I know
that that's I would imagine that for you
know insurance purposes we want to make
sure that people are coming out with the
CDL do you think that they're uh we're
not getting enough applicants um due to
the current labor market or just because
um the pay is not competitive enough
well I think our opinions come up
I mean if you think about it the less
negotiations and the reason he got for
the first year was 16 percent
that's that's a that's a bigger release
and um you know Hardware surrounding
communities are paying a little more yes
there is
um but you know I think we're making a
good effort as a city and a you know a
council to recognize that and it was
recognized in this last round of
negotiations with the Union
um that there was an increase for them
but I guess too it's it's the market
right now I mean our street division is
fairly full right now speak with capital
division but what happens is in the
water and sewer the rates are still the
same for those members whether you're a
sewer maintenance work or a water
maintenance worker or an meow and a
part-speed snap or waste the rate of pay
is the same but the CDL is required
where we have the majority of vacant
positions you'll see when we get to
store budget is in the sewer department
there's a little more experience with
sewer because you're working with pipes
and digging a little bit differently but
that's where we have the more more
vacancies and the sewers of in the
street division emerge in the winter
they become sort of one for snowplunk so
the the shifts are split between what
for sewer in street department to cover
shifts and we are you know we are and
you'll see in the budget I think there's
11 maybe vacancies right now there might
be possibly 12 rent you know in the
sooner when we get to sewerville yeah
so
yeah
and you know I know you know Albany is
right now looking for snowball drivers
um so sustains you know
more than us but it's it's strictly
seasonal you're going in no benefits
you're just making the hours great and
then
um then you're out yeah so
uh any additional question on um Parts
maintenance
okay I will let you know in parts to the
dark fees for services and parts yes the
150 000 is for trees
and um there's a mobile tree removal we do do our big
um
we usually group a bunch of trees we
could complaints from taxpayers dead
yeah well flight
um and put all these together it goes
out to a number of vendors one of the
things that I was informed recently
apparently everybody was made was that
the tree removal should be at a
prevailing rate
which is about three times what we were
thinking
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so
if we look at the current budget as it
stands it'll be very minimal increase
removed in this budget
um
a good example has been when the coach
came in we built the purchasing it's the
first time somebody submitted a letter
about prevailing rate let's look into by
purchasing now paper value rate
so
um you know um I may look at somehow
talking at the end of Mayor looking at
increasing that line item
to cover the trade removal
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so I know that um an inventory of our
trees were done
how many
um do you think there's must be 60 some
trees that were
playing in some of the parks to come
down they were rated some you know more
yeah you know privately unless
um but a good example is what we put out
when we when both came in at about 11
000 and he was a person who would be
dealt with periodically through trees
and the other one is 30 000.
gotcha
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go ahead and how many trees was that for
I think maybe eight or nine
and they vary because you know
whether a train is needed for the tree
whether it is
piece by piece so you know a tree
animals from here to you know here to me
in cost so okay we're not equipped to
handle so you have a good agreement with
National Grid the fire is involved they
take it down
um
at no cost for us
I think this is a question more for
Anthony but so um I think Chris just
mentioned an arborist and some we had an
arborist in a different uh in
development that one's coming up as well
um and I was just curious so it's more
than one arborist that
or is it the same person that is in a
couple of different budgets
I think the armors that don't have any
developments from the uh like a
city-wide thing and other artists uh is
the golf course guy he just does that by
the hour oh okay all right
this is too different okay
and yeah
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yeah so if we don't pay prevailing
weight right here is that also applies
to what we're doing at the buffer
I'm going to golf course yeah we we're
Mike mostly Mike does that okay yeah
what we're doing is when we you know get
a complaint about a tree that tree or
look at it they just natural troops you
know we we don't we don't do one at a
time
we have gotten a better price grouping
six to nine trees together you know
contractor comes out definitely makes a
couple weeks of it he takes some
freestyle
um it's a little different than you know
parks and then
so
thanks
to page 36
full antennas
only into the sports size everything is
out there
um
the you know ours is typically under the
fees for services for full maintenance
um
and
here on page fourth my story is confused
mechanisms
for services
to help us we've done you know anything
that we need an outside contractor for the pool chemicals we see it's
pretty
um
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pretty standard because what we've been
using the pool has been the same
um 25 000 slightly up I believe you can
make this an increase in the chemical
price for chlorine
repairs there's fifty thousand dollars
in there for the repair line for pools
and
heating fuel is to keep the the
buildings warm so nothing freezes and we
get increased that by two thousand
dollars just because of the cost of fuel
oil going into 2023
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any question on this
so the pool maintenance is up slightly
from 91 500 to 96 thousand dollars
foreign
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um and because of the um the difficulty
finding lifeguards and the increases and
rates the higher these like targets I
think go from 150 to 185.
um that's also a cool each time I'd say
information
yeah that's going to be the assignments
the um the Pavilion and stuff that gave
me there in the community room
any other items the supplies clothing
drug that's very minimal no real
increases are there
um so it was really the increase in fees
for services for the Boys and Girls Club
foreign
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this installed waste supervisor is one
that's 35.83
is a contractual liability CSA position
commission General services
myself Deputy Commissioner General
Services
Mr lung we're one-third can come out of
three different parts of the budget
they show a four percent increase for
management along with the director of
solid waste one position a four percent
increase in one its three
which is a moves for step five which is
contractual so the increase there from
265 to 614 to 278 196 is based on salary
increases
foreign
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a couple people have reached different
levels of longevity so there is this
like increase there from 49 83 80 68 34.
and the addition of Mr White
any question on this section
let's see another move to um
wage collection
that is 81 60 6100 then we have two
SolidWorks supervisors currently they're
both at the same
great
for 1598 66 to 63 583 csca
on all the budget there's a title or
something here there's no um
it should be two one one a one to one
yes
if you look at your budget there's a
plan yes okay sir so we're just gonna
have to quite a bit more
yeah that would be bad
foreign
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over time though and again the salary
increases and we're you know requesting
five thousand to ten thousand if you
look at 21 you did spend ninety seven
hundred dollars
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the outer Graves came down slightly
um
you know from 15 to 12. I'm comfortable
with that
um we've moved some people around so we
think we have the coverage we need so
that was reduced slightly
the winter shift differential is taken
out what we call the 409 ownership
differential because with an embarking
unit they are compensated two dollars
more an hour when they work anyway so
that was removed and it's not reflected
in the salaries yeah those are 125 so
8161-25 West York Maryland because
that's other
employees from different units come they
also get paid two dollars an hour if
they come from Parks if they come from
when we're short which
we are on a regular basis and we bring
in people from snap or Parks or the
street department wherever they are also
awarded to those more hours to work in
the police department so
yeah
the um in the full-time group game
salaries the fills have not changed there's still
two labor loaders there's 15 motor
equipment upper new games and there are
two ml M's in there for under arpa so so
the total bills have stayed the same 19
from 22 to 23.
if you don't want to just explain this
line at least working hours at least
working hours yes right up on the top of
page 816.
that's the two for the
somebody who comes in I'm not that
pepper
you know our daily basically we take
people from Parks from staff from
different places
up on Thursday
so our actuals in 2021 there was 31 000
years
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it was an independent it was in a
contract agreement yeah correct
it's not the wintership internships
differential no okay other expenses the
only increase with requested there was a
reindeer so because the price range from
eight thousand dollars to ten thousand
five hundred foreign
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yes have seen the right here I said I
have seen the reindeer happy to see it
however I've also seen people who are
what they're wearing it doesn't look
like it's really I don't see work boots
for instance
steel toe boots I see sneakers and
things like that and people have
actually sent me pictures to say this is
the garbage people addressing yeah so
they get a they get a Buddha levels
sometimes the boys don't want to wear
them because they're walking so much
they fear that the steel toe boots are
heavy
um
we can enforce that and if they to come
into sneakers we can send them home I
guess and what would we do so I know
later we do give them a boot allowance
and some employees that you know some
will be driving this amount of activity
you know that'll work and for me it's more like a safety thing so if
something happens and they're wearing a
speaker if they drop something really
heavy steel toe who might help with that
little sneaker it probably would we've
addressed that a couple times we've put
out a memo we told them that he paid for
these boots and expect them to wear
those boots
then it comes down to you know I don't
go every day and respect everybody
somewhere
um
no mustard
well I started early some days but it
would be there at 5 45 and check for
boots and um so um you know it's
something we will probably have to look
at again if people are starting to get
off the you know the train where we're
wearing them for a long time and now
going back
um we'll have to you know reinforce the
need to wear these boots because you
know we're kind of cases yes
thank you any question on this question
no I'll move to the next page always
disposal
okay and that is 81.62.
you see the biggest increase here is the
chickpe the e162 416
um our contract for that goes up by CPI
or or three percent
um I will um tell you that um you know
the the contract that we previously had
prior to entering the county waste was
costing us a lot more money when we
entered into this agreement
um
we decided to do an RFP our activity in
19 was 72 dollars our activity right now
at 22 for MSW is 46.98
for two years
so the increases you know contractual
um you know for the CPI for our own
activities
for the services from 1.4 to 1 million
to 1.5 million
that's
really the only increase in that waste
disposal
um
section in the 8162
let's go for the next one waste
recycling
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um
we did go down with our longevity
station with a couple people and we left
so one's ready to go down from 14 000 to
2010 560.
um the auto rate Remains the Same
um
obviously the 409 winnerships difference
has gone because it's built into the CDA
now or
um
our fills were increased by
one because one of them was a labor
loader
um he became the meal what happens when
we lose a labor loader and we fill it
with an email because the advantage is
to have a driver there if we have all
labor loaders we don't have anybody to
drive the truck so we have a you know
laborers in the back but nobody to
physically drives the truck so we look
for any of those because you can always
work on the back of the truck as a
driver
one labor loader was um added an meal
from the labor motor so you moved one
person up so we increased the me LMS by
one there
foreign
overtime again salary increases
represents you know overtime increase
from twenty thousand four minutes twenty
five thousand dollars
and the tool allowance will cover work
boots different things for the 20 guys
at five thousand dollars
and we have to go check your results
I'll just take a picture
any question on these sections
the flags were moved and so I don't
think you're missing any of them
equipment other expenses which is the
recyclable fees we broke out this year
to try and keep track of recycling
to use now and TVP so okay
we have E-Waste so one is e-waste one is
the um the cost you didn't have the cost
of recycling if you go back a couple
years recycling was absolutely free and
on E-Waste which is our Electronics TVs
and stuff it's nowhere near free no more
this is something that you know
nobody's taking a cycling they're not
going overseas no more in fact we can
only get a one-year contract on
recycling right now because of the um
the market and nobody's willing to you
know give us a good price for multiple
years because they don't know where the
recycling is going to go so it's
typically a year by year so if County
Waste is giving us that price right now
because it goes to their their Murph the
recycling center in the port of Albany
um but we are paying more to remove
recycling than we are MSW
okay
any questions
go ahead so just be nice so I did have a
question what would um
I don't know if you said this the
disposal fee for per ton for 2023
was that do you have the questions there
it will go off in 23 after January right
now in 22 we're currently paying nsw
46.98 a ton recycling is 65.48
when Joe comes back I can break down
because one of the questions was um
repairs that the fuel is
all Contender wine service and it is and
I can break that down Joe can break it
down so when he comes back on vacation
I'll I'll send an email out to everybody
if you're just looking for ogs or if you
want you know
um the next question was what did we pay
for time disposal in 20 21 22 today and
what was the total tons collected for
those years because this came at 3 30
there's nobody down in the office but I
can tell you that in 2020 we were paying
for MSW which is the Wayside 41.80
in 2021 at least in the CPO went to 4434
and 22 minutes at 46.98 recycling
um because it was free of 20 and 21 it
was 6180 and it's not 65 48 in time okay
we typically
um
do around 29 000 current tons a year ago
she's averaged about 2700 because there
was a question here what are the
separate percentage of Sunday's pickups
amounts for the city's coaching the
commercial effects
um scotia's average about 2 700 tons a
year the city average is around 28 000
tons a year give or take
um
and um you know recycling we don't
separately
but our recycling like I said is around
20 you know around
10 percent so around 2 800 tons versus
28 000 tons of MSW we do
um
the other thing there's a question um
let's see how many times are collecting
especially got divorces are sure plus I
think Anthony would have to answer the
Surplus for 22. what was our Surplus uh as of September 22 and uh request for
additional surplus of three million
needed for 23. I can't say that one of
the things is we don't know where our
recycling is going to go
and if you don't know where E-Waste is
going to go
it's been very expensive to get rid of
that stuff and also you know to me
personally to build up a surplus every
year I'm request at least four Packers
uh that's a million dollars plus
um in 22 we couldn't even get the
Packers we had bought
at least once um
just and we spent almost a million
dollars in police while I had to wait
about 20 some months to get home and um
these trucks are large they run every
day
um they're not the best way to run a
truck because they don't get out there
on a highway and get cleaned out like we
do our cars they're just stopping going
and stopping going things because
so every 10 years you should recycle
your vehicle if you're heavy equipment
like that like we typically ask for four
Packers a year and lately we haven't
been able to give four even when you to
approve it
the constraints on vehicles the example
we couldn't order any pickup trucks this
year but Ford who has the contract told
us we won't even take you to PL until
January 23 so don't even call us for 22.
so you know build up Surplus because
when you have the opportunity to get the
vehicles we need to get them that's my
feeling and why you want to build up
some Surplus so that you have
money in your account so you can buy
something and not find and updated that
service and I'll pay the interest rates
that's how I would look at that
um
I will tell you on our commercial
accounts we increased our commercial
in
2020 we they were paying 2.75 cents a
gallon in 2021
3.45 cents a gallon and
our commercial accounts
over the last year have increased by
over seventy thousand dollars by having
one of our supervisors out
paying attention and trying to getting
things where we see that some of our
drivers don't really know when the court
will stop at that building might be a
commercial account so that we're out and
we Mark the chance if somebody pays for
us to do say five commercial companies
our supervisors out prior to the pickup
making sure that they have five cans of
enough
so we've increased our Revenue in the
commercial line by over seventy thousand
dollars
with the
recycling the quality of the stuff
matters which which you does it when
waste management or facility it doesn't
matter or no because we're on a single
stream it doesn't matter if you notice a
lot of them I think a lot about Vietnam
sometimes you go to take a catwalk yeah
they're so flimsy now half the bottle
comes out when you yeah the cap off yeah
it doesn't matter to them they're
Recycling and right now it's not going
anywhere special they do pull out the
cans if they've had them before
the quality of the recycling that might
actually be able to produce accumulation
is the only one local that has a
system I reached out to
um a competitor I won't say any names
because he has a system like that but if
he's not interested in what you're
taking number sentence
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okay
any other questions can you type it up
for us and we'll fly back yeah if I have
it I will share it with all the members
then I want to make sure that we have
all the answers yeah
all right so we'll move on and let's do
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um
water primer so another capital
in the FX 1950 is attached to the
contractors uh
revenue and expenditures but
thank you
to water sales
okay
all right we're good
with everybody else
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here we go
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um from 22 to 23 is up from one 1.846
million to 1.914 549 and assuming that is the increase in the water rate
increase rate increase Anthony brick
right we're looking at a lot of weight
entry
salary for an average single friend home
is approximately 12.97 a year comes to
uh
three and a half cents a day
and that increases Revenue by about
three hundred six thousand right
the meter water will increase uh by
Jesus outside the city outside the city
by having
.000248 gallons for no 37 120 000
it's a total uh Revenue increases 426
000
. uh one of the reasons uh for the
increase we haven't raised the rates in
since 2019 so it's going on 40 years
without an increase you know we are
using up our again water and soil we've
been using our fund balances to take the
repairs and for other
technical projects so we're a little
interested because you know we need we
need to fund this and plus uh we're also
funding for the loans and debt that
we're about to get into
it and can you go back up to B and look
at the drop there from last year to this
year there's a plan for you Google it
for five seven
yeah outside the outside study like City
yes yes
again the metered water snails outside
the city well that's you know the
adopted doesn't mean that we're going to
get that from outside the city I mean it
really depends on you know what this
view is taking you know one Rider you're
taking what TV is taking so you know
when you anticipate that they'll take it
but they don't have GE they don't touch
things down and are what our revenue is
going you know
that's exactly what happened I think G
because I'm a lot of courses this year
that's right when you look better you
know those are typically are you know
our muted water cells outside are
typically we you know our vendors that
are you know
a couple of companies put in special uh
stores where we don't uh water well they
maintain uh there's some different um
fixtures
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so that's a ton of water
how close would we get to a document you
know
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but these are outside the city uh these
are before the yeah because the zones go
on the building yeah sometimes our
buildings don't go out until February
for the last part of February yeah so
you're yeah you're six months out yeah
so we're really at nothing 193 000.
we've had
some trouble with some of our Municipal
Partners paying their bills on time
paying your bills up period
we have to actually go there and
attack
enforcer
I wish we could maybe if the supervisor
wasn't asking for such a large raise oh
all right let's move on
hold on the other the only other change
is obviously because of the recommended
rate increase would be in the unmuted
sales which is what we call our flat
rate so that's you know right in unit so
that it's a flat rate based on fixtures
within the city homes and um that's the
only other change which will go from 5.4
million to 5.7
that is the total of water fund only
increased by 22 197 so very very uh you
know less than a quarter of a percent
increase
any question on the resume
all right let's move on
okay the expenses and uh I think it's
1950 46 is the taxes we pay taxes to um
two neighboring communities because our
Reservoir is located in Adonis unit and
our fellow fields are located in the uh
that kind of rotter name and that is the
participating text
at the end
you have nothing well if the council may
not be aware of okay there's nothing
that's happened no it's not happening
yeah
underwater Administration salaries and
the biggest change here is that we took
the one assistant civil engineer out of
the water fund work event to the general
fund for engineering so it did reduce
the number of fills from 3.6 to 2.6
in the added you know the 0.3 for um the
Deputy Commissioner
um so there is a reduction in the salary
based on moving the assistant civil
engineer back to engineering from 249
596 to 187 922 so there was a reduction
there I have one person
foreign
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management
but there is some for the junior civil
engineer because that is a um that is a
man not a management it's a legal
position so there's an overtime there
for that uh
foreign
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everything else has pretty much stayed
the same so you'll see the reduction
from 21.7 to 16-7 so the total water
Administration budget is um down from
275 to 208 and that's also because of
the movie one only positions of
injection
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foreign
counts
we have a just a plumber and he's under
the commercial accounts that's
management position so it's marked for a
four percent increase for the salary so
we go from 79 to 96 82 468.
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that gentleman's longevity will stay the
same it doesn't get any mood allowance
250 so pretty much the support services
also stay the same I've done 1250
and there was no equipment
late
increase that for the total commercial
accounts the water Administration went
from 87 696 to 91 368 and especially all
the salary right and which is called the
contractions any question on that
section
Reservoir a landscaping if you
anticipate that if you go up slightly
because labor rates are going up that
isn't outside on contractors that comes
in and does that so I am asking for an
extra 2500 and then repairs for the
reservoir we do has electronic equipment
there and different things Gates
different doors alarm systems there any
professionally woke me up again at four
o'clock yesterday morning so
um had a police came from
I'm asking for just a slight fifty
dollars because there's some of the
essentials in the line up there
for 14 000 to 16 750 for um social
Supply reservoir from other expenses
the pumping it's the water wells
um
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Staffing there there's one vacant
position currently the senior water
treatment plant operator is vacant
um we did put in a um we do have a water
treatment operator now
we've had a trainee there that is filled
water treatment manager
um that is a half time between the
switch streamer plant and the water
um
and the other new position that his
request is the instrumentation
specialist the one thing that we've seen
now with technology is the upgrades with
the ball field that's going on and the
three new walls going in all new
software all this data will be in phase
two
also sort of coincide because the other
half is
doing all utilities
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because of all the students that's
involved with the new pump stations and
the wastewater treatment plant it's just
somebody who works strictly on scada
software goes into the program
um you know we currently
we have to call a specialist and our
equipment is critical and these people
are not available
midnight
memories coming nobody's coming here
Monday morning
um so the way technology is
I really feel it's critical that we look
at putting a qualified person in it and
work on all this software and all this
data and
it seems like the position when you meet
somebody you need somebody I think we
can't run yeah yeah I mean you deserve
to come to specialize but it may be very
specialized that these are people who
write the programs for all this for the
alarms do these alarms go not only to
the board but they go to the wastewater
treatment plant and the water level from
the reservoir from the pump stations and
go to phones now
that person's pictures taken before they
go through the gate they can't get in
they have to call me I could open paid
remotely for my phone wherever I am
after I take the picture it's getting
very um technical now and um
you have to call people and we call
people you know what happens
it's expensive and it's when they can
get there
so excuse me so it's only a half time
position no no half is salary because he
would work a little bit because there's
unusual honor and in stores instead of
half would be split um
mm-hmm
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so the you know total administrative
salaries is 284 257 and
it went down because we have a vacant
position but when I went down slightly
to 280 3 15.
so there's a slight
decrease there
total support uh longevity because we
have new employees they're they're um
there is no longevity because they've
been employees there that are new so
there's a 22.95 savings
um obviously because of the reduced
reduction in the salaries because
there's no employees over time is down
on on them and um
21 276 to 17 500
.
um
the stand might pay that's the two
phones associated with that
in you know them being on call
and shift differential and we look at
stacking it a little differently but
there is 250 there somebody has to win
the evening
in a while and the Uniform Rental
allowance is their work boots and uh
miscellaneous some equipment they might
need logs and different things
but overall that went down you look at
total support and other salaries from 27
971 to 23 750.
foreign
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other things we expect them to go up at
least three percent so we are looking at
um you know an increase of from 226 000
to 282 000 in the chemicals and another
increase would be about 28 some thousand
dollars with regards to um light power
and gas
um to run the wells
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and repairs um we do we are putting
three new walls in but they're not
anticipated to be done in 23 maybe
towards the engine so the wells we do
have they are getting old obviously
that's why we're putting in three so the
motors do get tired so
slight increase in the repair line to
keep everything going there from sixty
two thousand to seventy two thousand ten
thousand dollars more one of those
Motors just to rewind them and we take
them out is about five thousand dollars
just rewind one motor you know the cost of taking that we
can't take it out they're 300 horsepower
motor so we have another credit union
Power and Gas I guess the ghost for
everybody but
I mean they're talking 20 30 increase at
all in this we didn't know that and so none of those numbers are realistic
we got a whole
um you know
I mean you know how you know
I mean it's not just for you it's across
the board it's you know how do you plan
for you know everything
right
any questions
all right let's move to a water
distribution
one of the solution we have the water um
the water uh water and sewer
superintendent
um he split his he split his time
between water and sewered 50 50
um four percent increase based on
management recommendation for 45 852
and then we do have a water and sewer
maintenance supervisor that is a CSEA
position so that does blow up based on
the contractual obligations
there
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overtime slight increase from 13 to 16 5
again we cover the salary increase
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slight increase from 52 to 65 because
salaries have increased
um
he had a great all follows the same suit
yeah somebody more money on an hourly
basis a motor equipment operator the
Phillips stayed the same one heavy
equipment operator
one senior water maintenance worker
um and we have a um eight water
maintenance done
one that's perfect so someone worked out
with any other but they all have CBS
including the senior water maintenance
worker and those are filled right
yeah yes we have no openings right now
okay
rolling materials slight increase the
water department you know they don't use
as much Road materials as the street
department
and if we really need some the street
departments coming off the last episode
motor vehicle repairs I did drop that
um you know if you look at 21 enough
3200 22 I don't you know I'm not going
to spend the 10. so I did Drop That by
seven thousand dollars based on the
current year to dates
um water main repair 35 to 38 750.
you know that's because pipe different
materials are coming up a little bit in
price
and again fuel oil increase you don't
have a big budget there but a slight
increase of about fifteen hundred
dollars
it's total water distribution 9 15 397
for 22 adopt a budget versus 947 470
requests for the 23s
that Phil's being the same at 11.5
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any questions
you just want to run through benefits
are pretty much uh obviously from the
last few years uh we have a little we
made a secret life adjustment to uh in
the hospitalization because it's trying
to uh you know work to get the numbers
some better better numbers look down a
little bit
our
debt Services received went down just a
little bit again we haven't borrowed
money we've been using uh Reserves
and we're trying to figure out how
everything
and the back end
um some of the bigger increases of
unallocated Insurance of the 105 000.
that's sort of liability and stuff like
that that's just because of regular
entries infrastructure repairs yeah uh
we increase that by 326 000 because it's
all up
wants to be able to not worry about that
uh you know because we don't borrow
money for repairs we want to budget it
so we can use it so those things like
lining when we have a sewer line that um
it's cracked but it's not Beyond
to the point that we need to replace it
what we do is weigh it they do is full
of stock from one man helps another they
put Steam in and It Coats the pipe and
seals all the cracks so
um
so are the old water wells would that be
part of those repairs as well maybe or
no it's a different no I mean that would
be a different route
to a big problem because the water wells
where the maintenance of the repairs were we
could always use that because it's still
allocated for water
but it's it's the water okay gotcha
thank you we were just uh the amount of
transfer general fund uh the reason why
we put it back to where it was done in
2019-2020 we increased it and uh during
the coverage years only to help the
general fund but we were reduced it back
to help the to keep the water pump back
uh to you know so it's not more
efficiently
to the Social Security
that's what's going on
or not they got something yeah
I know that's going on tonight
I thought they were yeah which no
exactly you're saying is actually uh the
pay the payments yeah
all right any question on this section
go ahead
so I'm gonna find out to talk a lot
because uh my breakfast
look that increase is very specific
I know you mentioned the one individual
issue
is this addressing a singular concern
information
there's a
you know you can have something in a
piece of service on repairs but there's
a lot of water lines that they need
we can't handle ourselves because
they're too deep in the construction
repairs because if we have to call on a
private contractor we can utilize those
funds
um you know we we can't dig Beyond 11
feet we don't have the equipment so if
there's an emergency
you know that my computer surgery is
there and again it's just if we're doing
some maintenance we do insert valves
which our new style valve where
we have an area we know we don't have a
good shutdown
um we're gonna put an insert valves and
we get the whole prep for them the
company comes in and they put a valve in
without any um loss of water they don't
shut down any water because it also done
wide under pressure
and we get all the prep work we dig the
hole we get it all ready for them and
they come in and search up in right
no cheap repairs so
um when we're done with our arpa
decisions and things if there's money we
can always give it to you yeah
instead of having to put it in the
budget
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Revenue
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um
invented story increase
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the wastewater treatment plant so um
some of the summary increases and I
don't have the numbers coming out Tony
Scott I think yeah uh they were a great
improve some average single-family home
is about 24 25 24 cents a year about the
seven cents a day
increases the meter in City uh would go
up uh
it's a seven percent increase uh or
we're talking a vision a gallon that
decreases by 141 000 gives us a total
increase of 773 000. now you've got to
remember that you know like I said we
haven't increased the rates in four
years but this is we have to increase
these because we're about uh to get our
debt for the wastewater treatment plant
and the North ferry Street Pump Station
we're talking about 57 million dollars
in the enforcement enforcement too again
so we're looking at a total like about
15 million dollars that and that's and
that's that zero percent interest
but we still have to pay that back so
we're looking at 58 million dollars so
this increases uh helping out the
for the store content to go ahead and
start paying on that
perception slides your program is doing
well
um I anticipate at least three quarters
of a million dollars for 22 anticipate
meaning the um you know we got the
budget in an increase in 23 to 850 000.
so
Industrial Waste Your charges are down
Recycling and that's mostly because one
of the industries can deal with its
interest rates has put in a free
computer system so um
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so we we don't we don't get that weight
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expected to go down
lab analysis will come up slightly
um
they have a neighboring Community who
has asked us to take care of their water
samples we're actually giving them a
price
so do some water samples for them
any questions
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sanitary sewers administrative salaries
pretty much stayed the same and filled
still 2.5 we have an ips3 it will move
up based on CSEA we have a
superintendent water sewer that again
he's split between water and and Sewer
at 50 which is the four percent
recommended increase for management and
then we have the water sort of
Maintenance supervisor who is a csca so
there is a increase in their base
contractual so the increase for the
salaries is based on salary increases
contractually
um support other staff
site increases with longevity
as people would be different thresholds
overtime again slight increase in the
CSEA members are going up
um
standby pay again slight increases
out of grade it's the same thing as if
they're working on a grade they're
getting the higher rates that are even
higher now
shift differential
goes up as a stand for the sewer staff
works the winnerships lights they split
it with the streets so they're part of
the crew that goes on the night shifts
um
the meos we have kept the same pills
there is a heavy equipment operator
which is a
going up contractually system 2598 64
476 16 meos or seweraneous workers
retractual raises and a what we call the
CCTV operator who runs A CTV camera and
it was also um you know contractual csca
and heard me in overtime you can spend
as much as I think I'm 21 I don't think
we're going to spend as much as 22 so I
kept it the same particular overtime
tools and uniforms are good allowances
48.75
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no equipment or recommendations
administrative
expenses it's 873 000 fees for services
these copiers different things that we
use slightly up about
twelve thousand seven hundred dollars
and twenty two two eighty six thirty
five thousand uh slight increases
um the biggest one would be Road
materials for 78
000.21 million spent 46.
um so I do anticipation I mean you know
quite a bit more for 22 because
everything went up
um
and then any 23 they'll still go home
it dropped the vehicle repair line to 21
000 because we haven't been spending as
much it's been going into the Fleet
Maintenance budget so they dropped up
slightly from 21.5 to 15.5 uh fuel oil
and grease
um 21 was forty one thousand dollars I
did increase it to 45
you know inflation on the factor
um
emergency sewer repair they put we did
have 18 000 and 21 there was nothing in
22
but I've
requested twenty thousand dollars for
emergency sewer repair
um
safety supplies and equipment it's
mostly for the equipment that you guys
use you know setups for cut off um pipes
and the whole gloves different things
maybe 500 for the safety supplies
um
so the overall budget for their Phil
state is saying at 20.5
from 1.493 to 456 to 1.573 857.
the majority of that is you know on
salaries
any question on this section
okay okay
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this is shooting disposal
um
the fills Changed by um say from 6.1 to
6.6 and that is mostly because of the
Deputy commission is 0.3 I do have a
vacant position in there as the
maintenance manager
there is that is a vacant position and
you know I'm hoping to get that filled
for hopefully by the end of this year 23
and then the instrumentation specialist
is the other half of body from the water
to work on the scada systems for forty
seven thousand five hundred
and that came up that number because
when they were doing the work at the
pump station I sort of acquired that
what these guys make
um and that's how I got for that number
did you say it was the director of water
and wastewater that's unfilled no it's
the maintenance manage
oh okay thank you until it's 74 4.
gotcha thank you
longevity up
um
okay that's more you know probably
because of the commercial ogs comes in
there
um stay in my page slightly increase as
the salary increases
the shift differential
um you know did go up slightly one
contraction went up so you do we win 24
7 at police Water Treatment Plant so
there's a 24 operation
the
per game over time
is is up slightly again because of the
Ring increases the number of fills for
operators and that's that
it's gone up slightly I am requesting a
second maintenance manager or a second
maintenance technician
and a another AG lab technician we're
getting very busy in the lab
and with the new pump station the new
all-day editions of the plant and we've
been running with just you know two one
sort of maintenance tech one and one
maintenance type two it's it's done when
somebody's on vacation information out
especially when you're running 24 7 the
operation of things wear out
um
the need for another maintenance person
is is critical in our lab staff
we are having somebody retire and they
put their paperwork in for January 17th
um
they have not given a lab exam in two
years
um
and our livestock work seven days a week
so they rotate weekends
um it's getting hard you know on the
staff because and they work holidays
where there's they're there seven days a
week whether it's Christmas New Year's
it doesn't matter so we have to be there
so we need to start splitting some
things up and
with the retirement of one getting
somebody trained getting them proficient
to pass their state proficiencies be a
laptop and the other things
waiting for the civil service exam to
actually pass that stay in the position
too so okay well
recommending another lab tech
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can you request an exam pardon can you
request the ticket yeah
for president it's just when they feel
like
hopefully soon because the advice sort
of an unblock you know they've been
there they're they've faster your
proficiencies from the state but you
know you're really going to get the
civil service exam
so that's you know the biggest increase
there is the salary from 463 668 to 525
749.
um
any questions
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and I'm sorry that was the previous
challenge
got it we got it we got it yeah
they called me through the alarm clock
this morning
foreign
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three percent or so
chlorine is just undetermined what it's
going to be we're paying more now than
we were even at the beginning of the
year because it was just a
chain of supply
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fees and permits volunteers remediations
is the same again when we get down to
light Power and Gas another increase
from 315 875 to 347. and the big one
would be our sliding calling inquiry
I see that as being a big increase we're
not going to see it all in 23 because my
current contract gets me through June
after that
um we're up in here we're currently
paying about a hundred and Seventeen
dollars a ton Hall sludge dispose of it
um I can tell you something interesting
learning communities are paying in
excess of 145 to 150
um so our contract is good you know you
said until until June through June but
it'll have to go up to bid
um
probably right around the end of January
beginning of February if you get
somebody you know on board to start
playing architect
um
we do roughly between nine around nine
ten thousand tons a year
I think
a question
all right it's the benefits are
straightforward everything together I
think you never use the rest on this
everything is pretty much the same uh
those
um
uh increases at that service and again
that's because of the
oh
the DFC estimates uh so so in 2023
actually it should be okay
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an allocated Insurance went up about 50 000 that's basically for the
um
flood insurance for the old the
increase in the funniest restaurant
that's over 37 000 hours a year
so the total budget assaulted total
store budgets on an increase by three
point four seconds
of everything standard
and you also have a line here for
yourself
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you know covers us but some of the you
know unforeseen sewer repairs we have to
do
and that you know
um infrastructibility
any questions on this question
capital
and he reads when I printed the budget
Capital but I'll know what they are as
soon as you should say
here's um I have an extra copy well
we'll be back because that's the street
repairs but it has your stuff on it too
probably
park space program management
um requesting another one-time pickup
little child actually two of them at 65
000 to replace an oral we're still
running some of the old 10 year old 12
year old Dodge trucks um they're just
worn out they're tired
um and again
this is for this is for 23.
we can't order 22s until 23. so I don't
know you know more than two years
together yeah so and this is coming out of
capital right now
um yes so we gotta wait till what I mean
hey fun so it'll be May yeah okay yeah
so we'll be down I thought we'd have the
trucks from 22 by now
we're not going to have the 22s till
sometime into the mid
23 in order to leave until after May 23.
so we still gotta
and they are other vehicles together
yeah
and you know a six-wheel dump truck with
a plow and a spreader
um you know what that is is can we do
all all the aprons and everything in the
PD and also the fire departments with a
smaller Spider Truck the six wheel and
some of the alley weights where the
bigger trucks can't get in
um you need six wheel one we had was
just getting pretty old so
instantly had requested for the parts
waste of property management and reasons
we're like because we share those you
know yep they work that truck together
it's not you know not just a park
structure it'll go into all you know
three
waste collection as I said earlier we
always look for replacing our voters and
it was looking for four more rear loader
Packers again
um
it's going to be there 250
000 roughly a piece so it's a million
dollars and so in my understanding that
you've been requesting them
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they've been working good one of the
things yeah with these vehicles and you
know this is talking from some of the
other ways they like them because
you get them with 10 000 miles or
something they've worked the bugs out
already yeah yeah all the you know the
bugs from the new vehicle has been
worked out so before we got you know
this year I've been working very well
and we're looking to do the same thing
for that year yep
and I didn't know if this is coming out
of um
when you call May or okay or what we
could do like we did last year if you
requested up front
so we'll get it to be connected to get
them right away okay
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you know sometimes I'm going to be
usually save a little bit of money
next Parts going in the streets the
streets yeah one a one-time dump truck
with a plow
it's not the one that Anthony sent us
afterwards it's not um it's in our
binder so it's okay
a one-time dump truck at 110 000 replace
one of our old ones a 10 wheel dump
truck again it's 275 000 and a craft
called Patrick tube for um for travel
and craft elevation unit that melts up
in the winter for us because we can't
get you know we can't get blackout we
can't get down before any layer so the
crack coin machine I take the we call
the barrels it melts them and it puts a
guitar down and it lasts it actually
lasts
you know it's like black that's cool you
only want one of those huh
yeah
we have one machine that uh this
company's closed each material for us
that we started during the day so um
six copies
just kind of hard
all right sorry keep going it was a wow
that was it that was where the three
requests for the street department
totaling uh 455 thousand dollars
um
let's go to water the parts was part of
the um
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okay
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because well the park share is coming
under general for engineering we need to
bring that up probably tomorrow for you
yeah Chris he saw the parts yeah okay
yes okay
so water yes water
the uh the reservoir the concrete series
The Reservoir are are shot um we looked
at this a few years ago
this came in very high
so you just postponed it but they're
getting they're not improving obviously
so um probably work with Chris on wall
and see if an engineering there's if
there's something else we can do rather
than
put the sidewalls up in the lane walls
just do it instead of steps so but there
are
42 steps what was it I think we did it
three years ago was 400 000 yeah and
there's got to be a different way of
doing it um that's not as you know
costly so I think we might be able to do
something without putting the walls in
different things and just putting steps
with him some steps so so but there are
what if we didn't do it and you just
have to use the driveway
they go up there and there might be
something we could do
to put a driver there you know and you
just have to look at what we can do for
um you know why didn't have to be a
daily gravel record
a pressure one or even Millions
um you know I can talk to Chris and see
but you know I postponed it years ago
just because it was just a lot and it's
the steps are fun
it's the wind walls it looks like we did
as years ago they took the bridge and we
covered them and um it's the wing wants
to fall apart I don't know if there's a
way to remove them you just put
handrails on yeah
um
well obviously the pumping the ball
Field improvements are there for the
three walls of 12 million 500 000 but I know where I know if we're looking to
use any Arbor money there or it's all
going to come out but we do have some I
know that we're
safe
but I'm this is my opinion here I know
that we're going to get money back from
some of these things I would say instead
of going out and borrowing 6.5 million
this is a project that we have going on
now this is a project that uh that's
going to be finished by the other 20.3
it's a hundred percent our thing that's
actually put in a Wells for people in
so I just put it in for you to to think
about the 6.59 because you know we did
we do have uh uh approval tomorrow that
money has became twice to borrow 13
million but then we have to pay the
interesting stuff yeah
you know if we can think about using
some of the that money you have to pay
for it this is a project that will be
done within a year so we're getting
going there's there's and I think I
mentioned it when I when I came to you
for the for the bond but there's 12
volts there were 12 Wells over time as
they're over 50 years old they've you
know they're not working so from the 12
walls that were originally put in years
ago there are eight working walls and
example in this not whether it came this
past summer we were running six volts so
it doesn't give us a lot of redundancy
if we lose it well I mean they're
running
um so
um to get back in at least getting three
Wells and it gets us back up and the
wells have already been drilled and
they're very productive they're roughly
3 000 gallons a minute so you'll get
three oils are pretty nine thousand
Nails emitted into a pipe that's a lot
of water so
and you know the second phase will be
bit out
actually we're meeting with them next
week
um we broke that up so that we could
maximize the grant opportunities there
so
um let's say phase will go help um
probably within I would say probably
mid November hopefully ends in November
um do you have any updates on the
federal infrastructure funding is there
any movement of that
nothing because we're working with our
uh they're working with our Engineers to
let us project too because we're
expecting some money yeah
I'm just saying in recap when I would in
my mind if we have this money available
let's set a borrow it use it so you can
get grants that's even better I don't
even love that you know
but I'm just I'm thinking never went
back to it
I just want to put that in the back of
your head forward
Water distributor repair improvements
350 000 we all know water breaks cost us
a lot of money
um we can spend 350 000 on one group a
good example was the break that happened
over by the bridge on Craig Street
um I think that was probably a million
dollars
so
one Break um and that was that was a
30-inch one yep
sorry requesting the bank hold for the
water from 1980 000
um that code is um it's age now it's seen its life um so we already
pressing the new back over with an
extended goal so we get a little bit
deeper
um and then there's a water main
installation for a Golf Road uh to the
muni Maintenance building for three
hundred thousand dollars preserves a
water main that you'd like to bring in
from Park Avenue into the new
maintenance garage and uh the um
the proposed Pump House
it would be an eight inch main going on
so as you see a total will be looking at
13 million 830 000. we are free we are
expecting to get 6 million federal state
grants
I have that little accident here for rfo
for 6.5 million keep that back in line
and the other uh one million if we are
30 000 we're going to use uh reserves
again so we're trying to avoid final
money if we can
big sense
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any questions on this
sorry it's quick enough questions
in this particular but overall so like I
remember this is some kind of where
there's a conversation about um like
water or water main breaks
um in the city actually
um
being able to uh
perform the task of repairing that for
homeowners and
a little unclear on it like I said it
was some time ago I had this
conversation but it seemed like if I
remember correctly that was like
a point where of increase could possibly
increase revenue for the city do you
remember yeah when I first came on as
director of water and sewer
um
right now residents own their laterals
and their services
we only own the mean in the road
um so when there's a service break we
notified the homeowner and they're
responsible for the repair if it's not
made
unfortunately we have to do a
termination on the water and then codes
gets involved because there has to be a
order debate people there's no there's
no water so there's no sword to the
house
um
in the small back 10 years now I did do
a plan a proposal to um
have City forces and staff take over
that program lateral at least halfway at
least maybe to the curb box
or to the house and there would be a fee
and you there are companies out there
that sell this service too as an
insurance and I looked into that and you
know if the city had the capabilities
but going back down they had even more
staff than we do now and it does come
down to a staffing machine
um you know to absorb that but you know
the revenues you draw in I think it was
I want to say it was around 60 some
dollars a year for
water and maybe 70 some dollars for you
know sewer I don't know but
I saw it on my computer back but
um and I looked at how many
um permits we were issuing for water
sewer brakes and tried to judge you know
based on that and yes if you had a
normal year of about 100 breaks 150
breaks there would probably be a surplus
but again you run the surface because
the nature maybe you got 250 rings so
um we did look at it it was not
something that the council wanted to
entertain at the time and
yeah
that was it
you know actually get into the Panic
about how we had issues majority about
that history but it really bothering you
was not mentioned as a result
it paid me six dollars seventy five
dollars
for that specific year but the fund
would not roll over
balance of the funnel of that roll over
so whatever if you were to collect five
hundred thousand dollars a year 2002
spend 200 000.
it stays with us so that was not
discussed no no okay yeah
yes
under that scenario we could still if
our crews couldn't handle it we would
hire a private contract right so like
again in that option that we did that we
didn't have the vampire to do it correct
then you know or I should say the
workforce to do it right the week then
we could look at other options and um I
think that was the only anal obstacle to
move forward about it because it's a
revolving fund or we just have to
continue to pay into the attend we might
not get a homeowner might not get a
break but we always have fun just keep
disappearing and one of the questions
came up is you know okay I just had my
service done
I just did one why am I going to pay
this and you know so how do you get some
people involved some people not
so it was a little complicated but you
know it was a you know
a source to build some some revenue and
to have a fund so if you had a year
where you had more grades you had some money to repair those but I went to
use them to be worth revisiting just to
see if the numbers
since you're mentioning we're evolving
fun now that was a sticking point when
we discussed it many many years ago
yeah
thank you all right okay
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all right
um
another 250 000
um
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whether it's manholes whether it's touch
basins whether it's Clarence
um or purchasing the manhole covers in
the um you know in the actual um
concrete structures uh 10 wheel dump
truck so we're division 185 000
portable CCTV unit we have a big unit
right now that's on the truck but it'd
be nice to have a portable unit so we'd
get in a hole and um you know inspect
the pipes when we get them open
road plates um
95 000 we use a number of Road plates
and we're out along the Steel Road
plates we can't always get to repair
holes in 10 tonight
um so we we played that so we come back
in the morning
a lot of contractors use them steel roll
plates so we like to get an inventory of
Steel World plates to protect our holes
they also use them for um holding the
sidewalls in if somebody's working in
the hole as a trenches
Craig Street sewer inspection lighting
and point repairs is a half a million
dollars that's in part of the Craig main
project we want to make sure that an
environment on some of the inspections
but those repairs need to be made before
that infrastructure on top of the road
is done because you don't mind failure
the infrastructure after you've done all
the careers right okay so
um there's um you know 500 000 in there
same equipment replacement is part of
the wastewater treatment plant it's
about 550 000 in assorted miscellaneous
gearboxes return homes waste forms these
are things that we all know they don't
turn off for running 24 hours a day
seven days a week not in the messed up
environments
um
Southbury Street Pump Station that whole
conversation needs to be upgraded it's
getting all the pumps now are
they're undersized
um you know we got more and more flow
coming from different areas of Broadway
so that compensation needs an upgrade it
needs new controls it needs new pumps
may even need more based on on flows
so we have a lot a lot more you know
commercial businesses downtown they come
down Ferry Street
um you know frog alley and different
things so the pump station is letting
you know it gets a lot of wear looks
like it needs to be upgraded
um
the sewage treatment plant River pumps
um and the controls with a backup
generator solution plant works on
gravity so everything that comes in that
plan Flows In by gravity and flows out
to the river
only if the river is flying at the smell
of elevation as the river comes up
we can't fall under natural conditions
so we have four 100 horsepower pumps
that were put in in 1972 or 73
that whenever there's a certain
elevation a gate closes automatically so
River can't come in and flush the plant
and then we force feed all the F1 to the
river and typically that happens during
storm events so we're typically pumping
a lot more flow than we would normally
pump those pumps are like I said they
would put in 72-73 during the Clean
Water money available back then and
there is no backup generator on those so
if you think about we have a backup
generator for a plant
and if that was to fail
we'd have some issues in the plant
but if we couldn't pump the water out of
the plant it might look like that whole
base in that whole area and she would
just float and the plant would go
underwater so making a recommendation
that um we upgrade those pumps and we
put in a backup generator that strictly
is designated to those points in an
emergency
um
and it wouldn't be something that we
would do we'd probably have to have a
little money to do a design from a
consultant too to look at it
so
that would be foreign
ers
3.5
minutes we know from the revenue from
the student plan almost a million
dollars comes in almost every year
because we take in a lot of septage now
it's been very profitable to the city
I think we can do better we have a third
digester I'd like to upgrade that
digester to be a real active digester
accident the holding tank right now and
um you know there's always room to
expand the brain more Revenue in the
boiler itself needs to be upgraded
because the boiler itself is just not
giving us the heat we need to keep the
digesters at the 95 degrees they have to
remain
to make methane gas so the boiler would
ride itself it would be dual fuel so if
you were down but the methane gas we
produce would run that boiler and heat
those digesters so okay so that's it for
everything
and went on conversation again that
conversation is you know the second
largest conversation we have other than
fair North 3rd Street and it was all
over Woodlawn Empire State Street area
um and Kings Road
um it's it's it's a OS upgrade I think
we're just in the 80s conversation was
fun so it's due for a complete overall
um you know pumps controls thanks
I mean these are things that are running
for us all the time
go ahead so it seemed so the digester
and the upgrades to the boilers would
eventually pay for themselves right yeah
the the the boiler would run on methane
gas
um and that methane gas has produced via
the digesters
digestion processes such as an anaerobic
digester um
no oxygen just makes it creates nothing
to ask methane gas is siphoned off the
top it goes up to what we have a bubble
right now that holds that and it would
run the boil nut and then that boiler
Heats itself now in the interim effect
was to go down
we still need people to digest redacted
because digestive attractive pH
alkalinity everything has to be right
generator yeah it's biological process
so the bugs in there have to stay alive
um
but we would have a backup you know for
natural gas so it wants to happen so we
would have a backup boiler for after
reacts just in case the oil was taken
out of service or something
that would give us longer detention time
in our current digestives which reduces
follicle which reduces mass and what
that does is a little difficult to
reduce our total slices
because you need more mass
any other questions
real quick okay I'm looking at 6.6
million 650 000 for the source we're
going to use a reserves and fun balance
of one point one million seven hundred
fifty thousand and because of the
digestive
we feel what it's going to pay for
itself we'll look at actual borrowed 4.9
million
for the digest your stuff figuring that
that's going to pay for itself not asked
a product
oh yeah
all right any questions all right I
think it is some Marathon section thanks
Paul yeah thank you thank you wonderful detail
um if you're running out forward from
finance and a motion to ajar
reset the Greeks
all right
now
let's take another favor
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