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[14:01] all right I didn't touch that one all
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[14:31] facility
[14:36] just because
[14:38] okay I'll have to add that in yeah I
[14:42] mean yeah if it doesn't we have
[14:46] I know but I think you're right we
[14:48] wanted to try to come in the fields okay
[14:50] I'm like okay yeah it's like something
[14:53] we're gonna pay for it either way
[14:55] it's nice to have it appropriated right
[14:58] I missed a gas increase John in the
[15:02] questions that I just think of the
[15:03] questions yeah I was out all day okay
[15:07] great
[15:08] they've been working real hard today to
[15:10] answer questions so we'll run into
[15:12] tomorrow
[15:17] we'll review what I have today some of
[15:19] them
[15:21] um
[15:33] today I asked you if we can have two
[15:35] things
[15:43] um a little bit late I haven't heard
[15:45] from Mr Toro yet so I'm assuming she's a speaker I have to take back
[15:48] tonight so she's not coming she's not
[15:49] coming we haven't heard from her oh
[15:51] she's the YWCA speaker tonight I didn't
[15:53] hear from you yeah sorry Dora did
[15:56] mention that to me yesterday okay
[16:00] we're going to be here at six o'clock
[16:14] budget hearing session and tonight we're
[16:16] dealing with utilities Street lighting
[16:18] communication
[16:23] Mr Ferrari can you just give us another
[16:25] yeah
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[16:29] is about the department of development
[16:32] really comprises like a boring Sony
[16:34] appeals to our Planning Commission uh
[16:37] the growing Administration and the
[16:38] community began uh the total increase of
[16:42] the budget is about 205 000 for almost
[16:45] four different plans and as we go
[16:47] through it you can see what what the
[16:49] difference is
[17:02] Appeals
[17:15] um we also oversee the Community
[17:16] Development funding to put each year
[17:19] um and I think the one of the main
[17:22] increases is in our fees for service
[17:24] line and that is based on um it's an 80
[17:28] 000 increase based on our recent
[17:31] Community forestry management plan where
[17:33] there was a recommendation for the city
[17:35] to have an arborists on staff to really
[17:37] help us manage the removals maintenance
[17:40] and planting of trees
[17:42] um I know this is something that the
[17:44] mayor and the council has been very
[17:46] supportive of and rather than requesting
[17:49] for a full-time position as a memberists
[17:52] or starting with you know trying to
[17:54] consult with an arborist to get that
[17:56] process started as we work with ogs to
[17:58] actually implement the forestry plan
[18:01] um so that's the main thing there
[18:04] um
[18:05] we had two new positions this year well
[18:08] the assistant planner was a position
[18:09] that was vacated in 2018
[18:12] um when the person left so that was
[18:14] added
[18:15] um you know in this year I believe yeah
[18:17] we've got that Council and then the we
[18:20] just hired a new program an account
[18:21] clerk as well
[18:23] um to help manage the accounting we had
[18:25] beer of gender who retired this year
[18:27] um her title was the housing
[18:29] rehabilitation specialist I believe
[18:31] um but we just wanted to make a broader
[18:34] um the program counter who can help us
[18:35] with all the Hub stuff but also as we're
[18:37] thinking about arpa and what we're
[18:39] having to do for that Administration
[18:42] um so those are the main things
[18:45] are all these position and filled yes
[18:48] both the administration and Community
[18:50] finally we have a full set full style
[18:52] yes and it's it's really um been helpful
[18:59] open for questions
[19:01] go ahead please okay so um I know last
[19:04] year there was a position that you
[19:05] wanted to add and we had talked about
[19:07] that I think it was like an assistant
[19:10] um
[19:11] director I can't remember now oh the
[19:14] assistant director of development but
[19:16] did you switch that to a different title
[19:18] is that so that would be the Community
[19:20] Development supervisor that's
[19:23] um yep that position
[19:25] is in place
[19:28] um the former title was the program
[19:30] Catholic which had been removed from the
[19:32] budget when Vera retired we brought that
[19:36] position back because we knew it was
[19:38] something that we really needed someone
[19:40] to really oversee the accounts and I
[19:43] want to mention too that Vera was a
[19:44] part-time where this is a full-time
[19:46] position yes and and
[19:49] for 30 years old yeah or really for
[19:52] probably yeah the longest of anybody and
[19:56] so she just had so much institutional
[19:57] knowledge what she did at part-time was
[20:00] really not not what most people would be
[20:02] able to do
[20:05] can you address the other time on on
[20:09] their Community Development
[20:10] yeah so that was in relation to the
[20:14] increase in front
[20:15] of that through the cares act so all the
[20:17] management of the CV funds
[20:20] um our community uh I think it's the CD
[20:22] program monitor
[20:24] um that position had taken on a lot of
[20:27] additional responsibilities
[20:29] um but also the administration costs
[20:31] were accounted for in the CD funds it
[20:34] was nothing that the city ended up
[20:35] paying for that came through the grants
[20:39] um that were you know get given as part
[20:42] of the
[20:43] is
[20:51] 66 in
[20:55] it so it does seem I think um I asked Mr
[20:58] Ferrari for a list of all the new
[21:00] positions throughout all the apartments
[21:03] um and it does have two new positions
[21:06] but it sounds like they were already
[21:08] filled yes that's why they're not on
[21:11] their list because they're filmed this
[21:12] year no they're all they're on the list
[21:14] assistant
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[21:22] yes and within the last few weeks
[21:28] thank you
[21:31] and they're all films so how do we do
[21:33] that I mean we put it in the 2023 budget
[21:35] and we hire already
[21:38] okay we came to the council yeah we did
[21:40] a month ago okay you know we have the
[21:43] applications we like to move money for
[21:45] these positions
[21:48] if you remember the zoning officer that
[21:50] used to be in jail in the code's office
[21:53] and handling more of the enforcement
[21:55] side of it now we have the assistant the
[21:57] new assistant plan who's going to run
[21:59] the board of zoning appeals
[22:01] um
[22:02] as in on more on the planning side of
[22:05] building
[22:06] um so that we we did bring that for you
[22:08] guys for approval earlier in the year
[22:11] okay sorry
[22:15] so the zoning officer was replaced by
[22:18] the uh
[22:25] and these positions they were just
[22:27] filled within the last two to three
[22:29] weeks yes yes even though they were
[22:31] vacant for a long time ago
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[22:47] one thing I requested was an increase in
[22:50] salary
[22:51] greater than the four percent for
[22:53] managers um for our homes coordinator
[22:55] Bryce Brown III
[22:58] um I had requested
[23:00] a raise for him just given his impact
[23:04] and you know he gave them with the city
[23:06] on properties and how you know how
[23:08] successful that scientists and um so
[23:10] that was something I requested not
[23:11] knowing whether or not I could be
[23:13] populated
[23:14] um
[23:15] and so I see what's what's being um
[23:18] proposed what did you request I think I
[23:20] requested 65
[23:29] . thank you and I think it says uh you
[23:31] know we did present it to the mayor and
[23:34] America just said upon management okay
[23:36] yeah which I know happened across the
[23:39] board I also requested an increase for
[23:41] myself given that most times there's a
[23:44] director of Community Development and a
[23:46] director of planning I'm both
[23:48] um
[23:49] but yeah
[23:51] I think it was just the four percent
[23:53] across the board that was allocated
[23:58] any other questions
[24:02] seeing none thank you thank you
[24:13] This was um
[24:27] yesterday at your department
[24:30] um came into a discussion and there were
[24:32] many questions I was asked concerns of
[24:34] um you made a requests to have a
[24:37] separate Department
[24:39] and the question was asked
[24:42] why wasn't it granted
[24:45] then also the question was asked and
[24:48] they wanted to know more about what we
[24:49] were doing foreign
[24:55] retirement compliance with subcontractor
[24:57] and things like that
[24:58] so we think it's fitting there we bring
[25:00] in here from you directly rather than we
[25:04] just make an assumption so I will invite
[25:06] you to kind of walk us through your
[25:08] department what you're currently doing
[25:09] the work you're doing in terms of
[25:11] compliance with mwbs or contractors and the center here and then
[25:17] we will actually talk about um
[25:22] people
[25:26] again thank you so much for the
[25:28] opportunity to come forth with the
[25:30] um
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[25:35] when I came home board here five years
[25:39] ago now it was
[25:41] with the onset of how do we make a
[25:44] difference in terms of what we were
[25:46] seeing in the city and how do we make a
[25:48] difference in terms of creating economic
[25:51] and Contracting opportunities for our
[25:53] residents within the city and what we
[25:56] see is in the traditional route of the
[26:00] way things normally done with compliance
[26:03] and affirmative action you really don't
[26:05] take a proactive role in creating
[26:07] opportunities and make an activity so
[26:09] like always dealing after the fact
[26:10] foreign
[26:16] to why wasn't we getting enough uh
[26:19] opportunity why wasn't we building the
[26:21] capacity of the firms and why don't we
[26:24] have the capacity of each other
[26:25] Workforce on development so hence that's
[26:28] how we launched our Workforce initiative
[26:30] and just give you a little bit of
[26:32] background on that
[26:33] we're probably three years into you know
[26:37] counting the code activity so we've had
[26:40] about 150 people
[26:42] go through that program
[26:44] at this juncture we're into the last
[26:47] class of the workforce fees the person
[26:50] just wrapped up in June
[26:52] tomorrow it's the last day for the
[26:55] second quarter in this year and he still
[26:56] passed that 15 students each so they've
[26:59] gone to 125 hour training field screen
[27:03] which is the fourth curriculum
[27:05] and uh of the
[27:09] 150 right now originally we had 56
[27:13] graduated in the first 90 and this one
[27:16] here we've got 30 um
[27:25] in the first round we had I was 26
[27:28] people were Gateway employees I think
[27:30] 560 graduated 26 we gave you the
[27:33] employees a 26th job that we actually
[27:35] you know created
[27:37] nowhere to this last group out of the 30
[27:40] people that we have now uh 15 13 of them
[27:45] successfully committed the course in
[27:47] June nine of them with the gameplay
[27:49] employed six of them invented trades in
[27:53] carpenters union and the uh late the
[27:55] 157. and then now tomorrow they'll wrap
[28:00] up this lasts from 15 of them completed
[28:03] it out of the 15 that went in and
[28:06] they've all got commitments if they want
[28:08] to move forward to the next level
[28:10] they've all got commitments where
[28:12] they're going to get into an
[28:13] apprenticeship program you know moving
[28:15] on to the next level and and that's uh
[28:18] that's huge in in many regards because
[28:21] we talk about how you change that
[28:23] dynamic because it's always been a big
[28:24] challenge in terms of getting folks
[28:33] the other part of the equation is once
[28:36] you train this Workforce you know
[28:38] whether it's a better job so you got to
[28:41] build a capacity and train more uh small
[28:44] businesses that's going to hire you know
[28:46] but we got to create businesses from
[28:48] this community or from this area that's
[28:51] more in tune to hire and give these
[28:53] folks a chance now a classic example of
[28:57] what I'm talking about how these two
[28:59] pieces come together I invited Michael
[29:01] diorio here he's with a happy election
[29:04] now three years old I got first class he
[29:07] was one of those first ones that started
[29:09] with that and if you don't mind I I can
[29:11] tell your story because he's here you
[29:13] can answering questions and this will
[29:14] give you an idea of why
[29:15] it's not just a matter of chasing
[29:18] numbers but we're really changing
[29:19] people's lives he was in a bad space in
[29:22] his life with depression and not you
[29:24] know making it happen not making any
[29:26] money and having a lot of problems you
[29:28] know with the union he came into came
[29:30] into me and we talked about what he
[29:32] wanted to do he wanted to start a
[29:33] business we helped him start his
[29:35] business a year later we help him get
[29:37] certified as a certified MBE he's also a
[29:41] servant disabled veteran
[29:43] and he's on track and going for twenty
[29:45] thousand dollars a year he probably did
[29:47] four or five hundred thousand dollars
[29:48] last year and he's on track to really
[29:50] making a difference
[29:52] anytime people so he's hired two but if
[29:55] you spend 15 20 minutes a day on all
[29:58] that type of thing you know it takes it
[30:01] takes time and then if our mission is to
[30:03] create and build capacity you know
[30:06] that's what we're here to do to help
[30:07] build you know those businesses in
[30:09] addition to that
[30:11] we've been on a regular basis we host uh
[30:13] workshops and things for training we
[30:17] work with many partners we work a lot of
[30:19] hood comes in uh last month we did a
[30:23] Regional training where they came in
[30:24] from Buffalo and we have the Regional
[30:27] training residence over the uh
[30:30] and it talks about her opportunity and
[30:33] all the agencies that receive our money
[30:36] with opportunities about how contractors
[30:37] would get involved but that's that's
[30:40] huge in the sense that they're looking
[30:42] at cementally as a leader in that regard
[30:44] to bring those Sports together so we
[30:46] bring people from Albany Utica to all
[30:49] those folks came here for that type of
[30:51] training but we do that on a regular
[30:52] basis and and working with the state uh
[30:56] we have an mou economy with the Empire
[30:58] State development which provide access
[31:00] to Capital finding assistance and things
[31:02] like that so we're trying to build these
[31:05] firms up so down can you know get the
[31:07] job opportunity but they can get the
[31:08] funding and the bonding necessary to
[31:10] execute the job and then they could be
[31:12] more competitive and going after our
[31:14] Contracting opportunities
[31:17] how does it relates to the economic
[31:20] Center they don't promise said you know
[31:22] there's a lot there and you know please
[31:24] don't you know go through now but
[31:26] imagine uh a wagon wheel with a hug okay
[31:30] the environment Center is is that Hub
[31:33] where you bring up all of these
[31:34] collaborations all these different
[31:36] partners all these industry and
[31:37] Industrial experts to facilitate a
[31:40] common objective which is to create
[31:41] opportunity for Contracting opportunity
[31:44] with us and as well as a job
[31:46] opportunities
[31:47] so we work with a variety of areas
[31:49] dealing with
[31:50] access the capital training Workforce
[31:54] Development you know just anything that
[31:56] you want to do we want to create an
[31:57] environment so when you walk in to this
[32:00] place you know that everybody in this
[32:02] Jack's back you got a place where you
[32:03] can ask questions you can have the
[32:05] nation you know if your resources tapped
[32:07] in you know mentoring whatever you need
[32:09] that's the space that we're trying to
[32:11] create the purpose of having a red and
[32:13] the Heart of the community because
[32:15] that's what a creative need is
[32:17] when we first came on board here you can
[32:21] look around and see yeah we put a lot of
[32:23] money and we did 20 million dollars with
[32:26] TCP we did 49 office development or
[32:29] whatever but the reality is yeah you put
[32:31] 20 and 30 million dollars in to
[32:33] communicate with that young man that
[32:35] lived on Hillary Street and all this
[32:37] week did not get a job opportunity
[32:39] and they don't you know and they look at
[32:41] you why can't I get a job that's sweet
[32:43] and speak you know what does that say
[32:45] you know so applying for
[32:47] you know opportunities to do the
[32:49] applications how do you create that
[32:51] dialogue so where that bridge to sort of
[32:53] make those connections and make a
[32:55] difference and that's the reality that
[32:56] we deal with on everyday basis and
[32:59] that's why it's important to have this
[33:01] type of facility there to do that just
[33:03] that and again we're not trying to say
[33:05] that we create programs you know you
[33:08] know we're not doing that we're just
[33:09] becoming that up to facilitate the
[33:11] conversation with any different partners
[33:13] together you know to make a difference
[33:16] so that's why that's the connection
[33:18] between but they're intertwined together
[33:20] where you can't do one without the other
[33:23] because if the objective is to follow
[33:25] the mission and the mission to create
[33:27] Economic Opportunity prosperity for our
[33:29] community how do we do that you know
[33:31] this is how we do it through education
[33:33] through training through working with
[33:34] the school district work with the
[33:35] Community College working with the
[33:36] industry and making all those cases
[33:38] happen so that's why this is also
[33:41] critically important and necessary to do
[33:43] it
[33:45] the reason for the request for the
[33:47] budget is there's a lot in that alphabet
[33:50] suit and
[33:52] um
[33:53] you can't do it especially with one
[33:55] person I mean we need uh you know the
[33:58] data entry person just to track down The
[33:59] Daily tell you what's happening we want
[34:01] to know who these people are where they
[34:02] come from and how do we check for the
[34:04] next five years to see what the impact
[34:05] is so that's that's one
[34:07] the other part is we have to go after
[34:10] the rent we we spend more time this year
[34:12] going at the ground up to come and see
[34:13] and uh you know funding to support this
[34:17] thing bringing in uh outside uh experts
[34:20] to help us uh just in this document that
[34:22] you have right here this was nothing
[34:24] that we created right here by ourselves
[34:26] in a back-end now we had people from
[34:28] across the country out there I had
[34:29] people from Birmingham Alabama Austin
[34:31] Texas New Jersey they all had tremendous
[34:34] impact in terms of what we're doing but
[34:36] again
[34:38] this all comes about because of the
[34:40] relationship that we have with people in
[34:42] the hub and you know traveling around
[34:44] like I'm a part of the training service
[34:47] so we go around the country's different
[34:49] places and we talk about what we do here
[34:51] at Schenectady and the highlights that
[34:53] we get every time we go is the fact that
[34:56] we create an atmosphere of java
[34:59] opportunities we like what we've done
[35:00] with the Workforce Development and all
[35:02] those type of things and we we're
[35:03] compared to what they're doing like in
[35:05] Chicago and that's why the answers to
[35:07] come around to talk about you know those
[35:09] type of things that we do because we
[35:10] really seriously making a difference
[35:12] ain't nobody in this scaffolding nobody
[35:14] in this region isn't doing anything
[35:15] close to what we're doing in fact
[35:17] they're coming to be a part of what
[35:19] we're trying to do Saratoga Albany
[35:22] Georgia you know those folks are coming
[35:23] to us on a daily basis to participating
[35:26] in health you know do what we're trying
[35:28] to do so
[35:29] I think we got something special here we
[35:32] need to get this government and health
[35:33] and government for every random day and
[35:36] I think I look at it like
[35:39] there's a friend of mine Arthur Eve from
[35:42] the State Assembly he talks about yeah
[35:46] the people's budget this is the people's
[35:49] name this is this is for the people this
[35:51] I think this community preserves this I
[35:53] think
[35:55] if we're going to do this and do the
[35:57] things that we're talking about trying
[35:58] to do and make a transformation
[36:00] it's just all inclusive program that
[36:04] we're talking about we're talking about
[36:05] how do we get involved with redeveloping
[36:07] the hill I believe people want to live
[36:09] there can you just imagine we're going
[36:11] to recruit a police officer a young man
[36:13] a young lady from Hamilton Hill that
[36:15] want to be a police officer we created a
[36:17] battle where they can buy a house here
[36:19] and they're living in the community a
[36:20] nice new house and he does duplicating
[36:23] that over and over we're going to change
[36:25] and transform what we're doing because
[36:27] we change Dynamic of what we're trying
[36:29] to do
[36:29] you know as people and that we're
[36:31] serious about making a difference and
[36:33] not just talking about it you know this
[36:35] is how we do it we want to create you
[36:37] know economic wealth
[36:39] so that's why we do what we do if you
[36:42] want to get it done you know we're
[36:44] serious about making it happen we're
[36:46] very serious about results are oriented
[36:48] and not just here
[36:50] pretty soon
[36:52] can you touch on your uh evolvements
[36:55] your office involvement in terms of
[36:57] reviewing the
[36:59] Eis I guess that's wrong yeah the
[37:01] invoice from the subcontractor
[37:03] contractors yeah
[37:08] so we're involved with all of the uh the
[37:11] bidding process from the church again I
[37:13] have a very closer to Chris and hit his
[37:15] apartment and in which Elder evolved and
[37:17] tell them how do we tackle this problem
[37:19] it is huge you know because you got on
[37:22] the one hand you've got product that you
[37:23] want to get done and we also have
[37:25] responsibilities in terms of how do we
[37:27] have an impact in our community and make
[37:29] a difference so I do I I will do all of
[37:32] this that goes out you know and I
[37:35] participate in all of the
[37:37] [Music]
[37:42] and we work to you know get the issue
[37:44] resolved sometimes
[37:47] you know some of it's more difficult
[37:49] than others and you know to be honest
[37:50] and we have to work with but it's a give
[37:52] and take process and we do work with it
[37:54] but at the end of the day we are giving
[37:56] people uh on jobs like the recent
[37:59] project at the Schenectady police stage
[38:06] police station
[38:16] and uh
[38:19] other things we have to work out you
[38:21] know uh but yeah I participate in in
[38:24] that to make sure that we're going to
[38:25] apply and and it doesn't matter how far
[38:28] we push it together and you know give
[38:30] them those that we keep things moving
[38:32] you know in the right direction so we
[38:33] are moving and the more we work with the
[38:35] Department that's you know putting the
[38:37] biz out and the more they realize that
[38:39] we have a student program here the more
[38:41] uh you know you're going to see the
[38:43] results that we need to see and Chris
[38:44] could tell you that you know in looking
[38:47] at the kind of thing he gets from around
[38:49] they said we got the most stringent
[38:52] combined requirements you know in the
[38:55] region but we also get the results you
[38:58] know if the contract is not in
[39:00] compliance uh you know they put
[39:02] something out it's not there you know
[39:03] we're holding payments
[39:04] and uh you know you know the government
[39:06] can find
[39:07] um we've had things go back out the bid
[39:09] because they you know didn't want to
[39:11] play fast so we have a lot of true
[39:13] within that framework you know to work
[39:16] and I think with the council support and
[39:19] supportive Administration
[39:21] we have we can do much more we can do
[39:23] much much more but uh but for the tools
[39:26] are there and it doesn't need the
[39:28] support to make it happen so that's how
[39:29] we do it we work with within the policy
[39:32] uh we do have obviously you know
[39:34] projects
[39:36] whether we keep up with them I do visit
[39:38] the sites
[39:40] yeah
[39:41] so are you seeing an increase in the
[39:44] mwbe and our goals are we getting better
[39:46] than we were we get we're getting better
[39:48] but the numbers are still not what it
[39:51] need to be because we've got to build
[39:52] capacity I'll give you an example you
[39:55] know we have uh you know bonding
[39:57] requirements you know if you get the
[39:58] bond um you know there's a big list so
[40:01] working with the state and you know
[40:04] dealing with those challenges and
[40:05] preparing folks so we have to spend a
[40:07] lot of time on the front end working
[40:09] with a contractor to you know to get
[40:12] there you know but you know for example
[40:14] you know something that you know they
[40:15] might want to build on we got to sit
[40:17] down and just go through his life
[40:18] history and say this is what they're
[40:20] going to ask you you know are you ready
[40:21] and that's how we present it we're going
[40:23] to move the quote but
[40:25] yes we are seeing differences uh it's a
[40:28] lot easier to talk to contractors now
[40:30] than it was a year ago they know they
[40:32] were serious uh they they generally come
[40:35] prepared to you know make things happen
[40:37] you got a couple out there a couple
[40:39] other big boys I think
[40:42] you know that we're getting there we're getting
[40:44] there
[40:46] go ahead please
[40:48] um in terms of breaking down like right
[40:50] now affirmative action is within our HR
[40:53] department
[40:54] um and I can see some of the obviously
[40:56] with the recruiting help that you do for
[40:59] the police and the fire
[41:01] um I'm sure maybe there's some
[41:03] complaints maybe within our employee
[41:06] Workforce that also would come under
[41:07] affirmative action but it's sounding
[41:10] like um well I want to ask you like when
[41:12] you think about
[41:14] um the office in general and then
[41:16] building a new Department it sounds like
[41:19] a lot is what's the percentage
[41:21] um would you say of how your work
[41:24] yourself breaks down in terms of whether
[41:26] it's HR affirmative action or whether
[41:30] it's
[41:31] Workforce Development well we do get uh
[41:33] complaints with that if that's the
[41:35] question you know in terms of things
[41:36] like that but it's it's a typical it's a
[41:40] there's a delicate balance you know
[41:42] within that question uh I've had people
[41:45] come to me you know with a question of
[41:46] concern but they were left unless they
[41:49] can put something away so if they don't
[41:51] put it in writing what I'm concerned you
[41:54] know it don't have work but the issue
[41:56] that they have is is serious sure and I agree with that but I couldn't
[42:01] come to you and say okay we got an issue
[42:03] and then they back out and said oh well
[42:05] you know but they want to put it in
[42:07] writings and move forward yes we do that
[42:09] I work closely with Marianne and HR
[42:13] utility was here I worked with her and
[42:15] we went to the same speech you know came
[42:17] to see that look at that for Andrew so
[42:19] when there's a question Andrew is my
[42:21] go-to person you know so whatever comes
[42:25] up that's how I was doing but you know
[42:27] we had an incident this summer where uh
[42:30] somebody uh had a mission and you know
[42:33] and they followed them playing but the
[42:36] challenge there was you know without
[42:38] getting into the details it was
[42:39] something that they talked about for a
[42:41] while but they never wanted to move
[42:43] you know
[42:45] I said no that's not right you can't
[42:47] just say you need to talk about it you
[42:49] need to come and do it so so they did do
[42:53] that and then once that was done we then
[42:56] investigate it
[43:02] [Music]
[43:09] some of the things I get is
[43:12] and this is a challenge for me is people
[43:14] of crime so I'm out here advocating and
[43:16] pushing for opportunity to see so I said
[43:19] we've got 126 positions available yeah
[43:22] he said I need customers PDF so we got
[43:25] six people that we've paid for you know
[43:27] work with the county to get the CDL
[43:29] license and then when they're applying
[43:31] you know something is is missing you
[43:34] know they're not getting through but
[43:35] whatever you know one reason or another
[43:37] but you know we're getting them and so we got to have a better tracking
[43:41] mechanism of how these applications are
[43:43] coming in you know where they're going
[43:45] and
[43:46] you know really you know get into the
[43:49] weeds of that because that's
[43:54] [Music]
[44:03] did you get in favor from this place
[44:07] I need to follow up on what's happening
[44:09] with that person you know and
[44:11] you know sometimes she has and sometimes
[44:13] she don't and uh but it's it's it's a
[44:18] process that we have to do I think we
[44:20] need to talk more about that because
[44:21] they did a serious value of dealing with
[44:23] this thing and um
[44:25] a lot of it comes down to get back into
[44:28] social service and what's a lot of
[44:29] what's going on you know it's just a
[44:32] problem and people with you know
[44:34] especially not frustrated I'm sure
[44:39] that's you know that's that's the normal
[44:42] routine you know we you know actually
[44:44] really are
[44:46] you know folks coming into town we may
[44:48] have visited all of them but they moved
[44:50] to Schenectady but because their resume
[44:52] was called me on that they didn't they
[44:55] got kicked out and you know but nobody
[44:57] follows up to say you know just that
[45:00] type of stuff you know so we need to
[45:02] you know people
[45:04] better you know
[45:06] the fact we're trying to get more CDL
[45:08] Drivers back and
[45:09] um
[45:13] you know again because this is a process
[45:17] and I go downtown so we can get an
[45:20] application from this person you know so
[45:23] we just got to come up with a better
[45:24] mechanism to do that but that's
[45:26] something that's just time consumable we
[45:28] are pushing and
[45:35] [Music]
[45:37] so the point is all those stuff
[45:47] so that it makes sense to you know what
[45:50] we're trying to do and then uh and the
[45:53] other person that's that's critical to
[45:55] this equation is uh you know what I call
[45:58] like a program coordinator like me going
[46:00] after the granting the funding and
[46:02] basically driving a bus on these
[46:04] activities you know and
[46:06] I think you know there's a lot that
[46:08] happens uh you know in there so it's
[46:11] critical that one that as we move
[46:14] forward on these programs and things
[46:15] that we you know get them done in that
[46:18] conversation because
[46:19] the benefits and we're trying to get
[46:22] through communities is working and um
[46:26] invest that's that's the way it is
[46:30] here I think there's a great thing on
[46:34] the horizon for us and we need to set
[46:37] the infrastructure in place so that we
[46:39] can execute
[46:43] go ahead well Mr Gardner I really
[46:46] appreciate you coming here and I think
[46:47] any person listening and those in the
[46:49] room
[46:52] the the magnitude that you are achieving
[46:56] here already singly if we're just being
[46:58] honest and transparent what seems
[47:01] apparent in addition to that is the fact
[47:03] that you need a team and a supportive
[47:05] backing to achieve more and it's not
[47:07] that you are not actively working at the
[47:09] moment it is just your expectations and
[47:12] also your your foresight with where this
[47:14] program can reach you require additional
[47:17] support so outside of Staffing can you
[47:20] highlight any additional like challenges
[47:22] or limitations that are making it uh or
[47:26] say impeding our continued development
[47:28] in this area of
[47:30] economic stability and prosperity in the
[47:33] city center well well
[47:36] here's a lot there's there's a lot there
[47:39] and it's not it's not that we're not
[47:42] trying I mean every department is trying
[47:44] you know when a problem with the police
[47:46] department they are literally trying
[47:48] they're doing everything they can but
[47:51] there's a lot that goes on you know like
[47:52] for example we had uh a young man who
[47:56] was a single father
[47:58] and he was unemployed so we definitely
[48:01] got him a job on the construction site
[48:06] so he had his paper was Transportation
[48:09] there they paid for the lodging and
[48:12] bills there and plus he was getting 50
[48:15] bucks an hour the problem that he only
[48:17] worked three days why did he worked
[48:18] three days because he had a child and he
[48:20] couldn't get child care so Child Care is a serious problem that's for sure and
[48:26] uh so even though he
[48:30] that's the reality that we you know in
[48:34] the comment I get a lot of porch out
[48:37] there yeah you can but he can't he
[48:40] couldn't find it yeah
[48:44] the other thing that I find um is a
[48:47] challenge and again we have to recognize
[48:49] we have to get more with these wrap
[48:52] around Support Services
[48:54] but have uh
[48:56] you know all kind of barriers you know
[48:57] you don't get the best of a person to do
[49:00] what about a group over again you know
[49:02] whether they have food to put a child
[49:03] for this week you know you know mental
[49:06] emotional issues you know all of that
[49:09] stuff uh plays in there so so so to
[49:13] answer the question specifically there
[49:15] was more in collaborative effort with
[49:17] our partners like scap uh you know the
[49:20] county uh the state and all those types
[49:22] of things to to genuinely do those type
[49:25] of Support Services you know that's what we need more of and that's
[49:30] sort of like what we're doing we have
[49:32] the software that we use for our
[49:34] Workforce manager as an LCB tracker
[49:36] where everybody that we engage with
[49:38] whether you're on a small business side
[49:39] or an individual it goes into the system
[49:42] and we're able to track everything that
[49:44] happened with that person so let's say
[49:45] they needed housing I can make a
[49:48] referral over to you know somebody with
[49:51] a scat and they will get a message and
[49:53] then they would they can go into the
[49:55] same system and say okay yeah we
[49:56] received Jones and we run a system with
[49:59] this Gabrielle you know you can know
[50:00] what's happening you know with that
[50:03] scenario
[50:04] the other part of is you know we work
[50:07] closely with the community college and
[50:09] the career Counseling Center so they do
[50:11] all of our intake for the folks coming
[50:13] into the program whether it's on a small
[50:15] business side of other issues so that's
[50:17] one part of the way how we're able to
[50:20] manage you know some of it but they're
[50:22] overwhelmed too you know so we're doing the best we can
[50:26] with that but but there's some tools out
[50:29] there that's helping us and we have that
[50:31] in place and moving forward and we can
[50:34] have all the software in the world but
[50:36] we can't get the data in there and
[50:39] manage the data you know you know it
[50:42] doesn't do anything that's like
[50:44] something on the Shelf but we have the
[50:46] ability to to really make a difference
[50:48] here I'm excited about the prospects of
[50:50] being able to work with these small
[50:52] businesses that we get this Center open
[50:54] where we'll be able to offer mentoring
[50:57] support of counseling support you know
[50:59] anything they need to grow successfully
[51:02] so they've been and it's not going to be
[51:04] labor intensive you know just utilizing
[51:06] the technology and the resources and the
[51:08] collaborative efforts that we have you
[51:10] know to make a difference
[51:12] the software is not in your budget
[51:15] request so wouldn't you need the um
[51:17] software as well yeah yeah but this year
[51:20] we've been recovered out of CDG oh okay
[51:27] go ahead please so forgive me if you
[51:29] want to address this um so I know when
[51:32] you're just manufactured to your
[51:34] position so I know um you're doing some
[51:36] a lot of great work with people trying
[51:38] to get them you know the training that
[51:40] they need so they can be gainfully
[51:42] employed I also know that you're working
[51:43] with the city I'm trying to help us meet
[51:46] our mwpe goals and I know that this I
[51:50] believe the state just increased those
[51:52] MW the threshold and WV equals and I was
[51:56] wondering
[51:57] um are we close to reaching that goal yet
[52:03] we are we're making progress uh you know
[52:05] the reality is it depends on what uh
[52:09] what it is I mean if you got a specialty
[52:13] project you know building uh drilling
[52:16] Wells 200 feet in the ground you know
[52:19] it's hard to get firms you know that's
[52:22] in that space and
[52:25] um but so you know but we are pretty
[52:27] interesting you know and recognize that
[52:29] in the building the capacity of
[52:32] in front of coming along and the way
[52:33] that I'm looking at addressing that
[52:36] particular question is to grow and
[52:39] cultivate more GC more Prime contractors
[52:42] that's that's what I want to do so that
[52:44] they can compete in that environment and
[52:47] by aligning themselves with the partners
[52:50] and the efforts that we have like with
[52:51] Empire State development with access to
[52:53] Capital you know bringing the banks on
[52:55] board to assist you know with training
[52:58] and access to Capital finding support
[53:00] and insurance people you know we'll do
[53:03] that you know and it's going to take
[53:04] time to do that so but that's how I see
[53:07] us you know being able to you know make
[53:10] it happen
[53:10] [Music]
[53:12] you know you know the Jerusalem
[53:14] engagement is is what it is so it
[53:17] doesn't matter man we can certainly
[53:18] compete in any environment we can do
[53:20] that as long as we understand
[53:22] it doesn't make a difference we compete
[53:25] and I think that's where we are right
[53:27] now okay I was earlier today I was in a
[53:30] meeting with another Community partner
[53:32] and they were talking about uh uh a
[53:35] younger person that you worked with and
[53:37] now they actually and you work in
[53:39] collaboration with them and they're now
[53:41] a homeowner in the city of Schenectady
[53:43] um so that was just that just happened
[53:45] we came up today so I want to tell you
[53:47] how much I appreciate that and then the
[53:49] work that you're doing and you know I
[53:51] know the council is really uh
[53:52] considering how we can support the
[53:54] important work that you're doing to make
[53:56] sure that you know it's sustainable
[53:57] right yeah so thank you there's one of
[53:59] the things we talk about sustainability
[54:00] you know as you look at the package that
[54:02] you have there we did some projections
[54:04] in terms of if we were to invest in our
[54:07] community invest in training and put the
[54:09] resources where they're necessary over
[54:12] the next five years we can create 500
[54:14] jobs
[54:15] right here in the city we can do that
[54:18] and we can look at the projection in
[54:20] terms of the revenue speed coming in
[54:23] there we can do 18 million dollars in
[54:25] Revenue coming into you know this city
[54:28] and and
[54:30] some of it is is recognizing the fact
[54:32] that Industries are changing there's a
[54:35] trend toward Mortuary technology we got
[54:37] to get more Focus I mean laser focus on
[54:40] the stem and the skin technology because
[54:42] that's where it is you can train a
[54:44] carpenter right now but carpentry is not
[54:46] like it was the other going to get as
[54:48] good a rule now they use a computer
[54:51] lasers and you know you know cash
[54:55] software and all those type of things
[54:56] just for carpentry our kids coming out
[54:59] of school right now are not ready for
[55:01] that
[55:02] and so so we're working with the school
[55:04] district our first comment is with
[55:07] staffers and Dr Phil
[55:09] and and we're trying to keep it
[55:12] centrically focused on that because once
[55:14] you get into the the broader uh main
[55:18] campus kind of thing you know just
[55:19] deluded you know it's just it just it
[55:22] just starts but I think if we stay on
[55:24] that track and work with that particular
[55:26] Focus we have a plan to do you know now
[55:29] we can start getting results that's the
[55:32] patties folks you know that's coming out
[55:34] whether they want to go to college or
[55:35] get you know skill sets or you know
[55:37] things like that you know for example
[55:39] you know one of the things we're talking
[55:41] about is like a drone technology so
[55:43] teaching how Urban kids about how to
[55:47] build These Fine computers and um
[55:50] getting their FAA license and any job
[55:53] that's created that results 100
[55:57] 000 jobs are going to be created
[55:58] yesterday and we're going to start using
[56:01] them in public safety you know the
[56:03] police department
[56:05] so why can't a young man get that skill
[56:08] set and get their life
[56:10] so we we have an mlu currently
[56:13] in our hands right now with uh
[56:17] New Jersey Institute of Technology so
[56:19] they have this they have the first one
[56:21] it was with Penn State University
[56:24] so the first statements down there in
[56:27] this Urban setting so we're going to get
[56:29] the second uh satellite here is
[56:32] connecting so they're going to be
[56:33] working with us to do the same thing
[56:35] through stylish things but specifically
[56:38] today and then kind of that to what we
[56:41] talk about in the Vsauce and you know
[56:42] with the virtual
[56:44] cyber security and orchestration which
[56:46] you'll see in the packet that's what a
[56:48] job is going to be
[56:49] they're they're moving in that direction
[56:51] you know you look at it here in the city
[56:54] you know you look at it anywhere you
[56:56] talk about a smart city what do you
[56:57] think is going to be reading that data
[56:58] and putting these things in there enough
[57:01] our kids should be a part of that
[57:04] and that's what we want to do with this
[57:05] Center we want to work with the colleges
[57:07] and make that happen so again we're just saying we're here to
[57:12] make a difference we're serious and um I
[57:16] think we can make an impact here and
[57:18] this city can really be a leader in this
[57:21] efforts
[57:24] first of all Ron thank you for all the
[57:27] work that you're doing I know that you
[57:28] know I've seen a lot of it up close and
[57:29] personal so you really are making a
[57:31] difference and having an impact on this
[57:33] city since uh we were smart enough to
[57:35] hire you
[57:36] so thank you for the work and the
[57:38] continued work going forward and I just
[57:39] wanted to actually kind of bring it back
[57:41] to the fact that the gentleman that you
[57:43] have here from halfway electric actually
[57:45] was able to work on the project in
[57:46] Orchard Park yeah yeah it wasn't the
[57:48] smoothness I understand but but at least
[57:52] um you know they have an opportunity so
[57:54] it it shows that the work that you're
[57:55] doing is really making that immediate
[57:58] and um local impact
[58:01] and so people someone lives locally is
[58:03] working on a local project so what you
[58:04] talked about in the beginning where
[58:05] people drive by or walk by and see
[58:08] someone who looks like them who is from
[58:09] the community working on a project does
[58:12] make a difference so
[58:13] um I'm glad that you came tonight I'm
[58:15] not saying that if you have more to say
[58:17] but um because you know there's a lot of
[58:19] questions last night I think you've
[58:21] answered them all and I really
[58:23] appreciate all the work you're doing I
[58:24] can't say that enough
[58:27] for her so the building in terms of the
[58:30] building being done I noticed Sylvia
[58:32] might move over from development to be
[58:34] the executive director of the center
[58:36] that would be like what would be the
[58:38] timeline in terms of I mean I didn't get
[58:40] a chance to read all of this obviously
[58:43] we've done the uh
[58:45] the environmental I mean the engineers
[58:49] and now it's in it's great to go to
[58:53] design so it's ready to go to design for
[58:56] the actual documents to be prepared and
[58:59] put out of there so we're hoping
[59:01] the timeline I'm looking at it we can
[59:02] get that done between now and have it
[59:04] have to be at the start of March it
[59:07] takes six months for the project to be
[59:08] done
[59:09] you know by the end of the summer
[59:12] that should be open
[59:13] excuse me around you're talking about
[59:15] the building an old history called me
[59:16] right right that let everybody know so
[59:20] what does that mean for you in the city
[59:22] Your Role here does that mean that you
[59:25] would you know would you move over to
[59:27] this no no we will still be doing this
[59:29] you know
[59:31] thank you
[59:34] so I do have a follow-up question yeah
[59:36] so like for example Sylvia leaving
[59:38] development and coming over to the
[59:40] center but she would not be the program
[59:42] coordinator in this so your department
[59:45] as a department would be maybe
[59:48] affirmative action or would you would it
[59:50] be Workforce Development
[59:52] um and then in other words
[59:54] Sylvia's position in this
[59:57] would be in addition to this program
[1:00:01] okay and then
[1:00:03] um so we'd have to replace Sylvia
[1:00:05] probably in development as well
[1:00:08] right
[1:00:09] uh go ahead please I just I just want to
[1:00:12] say something yeah speaking of the
[1:00:14] subject she just told me she's planning
[1:00:16] on retiring and moving back to her
[1:00:19] home state so we gotta look at somebody
[1:00:22] else
[1:00:25] there it goes through the window yeah
[1:00:33] geez hold on I
[1:00:41] are you referring to contract compliance
[1:00:44] also payment from financials yeah yes so
[1:00:47] it's a combination
[1:00:49] so every every day I have um and
[1:00:57] um you know work with the contract so
[1:00:59] and then I sign up all the Investments
[1:01:02] and they are submitting all the MLB yes
[1:01:06] document as required yes
[1:01:08] and if they're not then you will reach
[1:01:10] all back to them so yeah yes I mean are
[1:01:13] you finding it that um subcontractors
[1:01:15] have been difficult for some of these
[1:01:17] documents no I hope we could do to know
[1:01:19] because they don't they're not this
[1:01:22] isn't done because they don't get paid
[1:01:23] unless you know they're submitted so if
[1:01:25] they don't send the documents in and
[1:01:28] everything attached
[1:01:32] [Music]
[1:01:53] you know fill us down remember what an
[1:01:56] apartment you know the same thing okay
[1:01:58] so they're very good at making sure that
[1:02:00] I get what I need and then they'll let
[1:02:02] me know if they don't help with anything
[1:02:03] I reach out to the contractor and tell
[1:02:05] them that you know we're not going to
[1:02:06] move forward
[1:02:10] you know and the reason why is that
[1:02:12] question I want you to highlight it
[1:02:13] because not only you're doing a
[1:02:14] Workforce you know you get in and we're
[1:02:16] probably also doing the back end of the
[1:02:18] work to make sure that the contractors
[1:02:20] are combines correct but the required
[1:02:22] documentation to meet the goals that we
[1:02:24] approve through city council here early
[1:02:26] this year right but yeah I'm passionate
[1:02:29] about this this department because I
[1:02:30] know that many many years ago and then
[1:02:33] finally with that so I got to spear
[1:02:36] ahead and to my colleagues on the
[1:02:37] council to revise the city Charter to
[1:02:40] bring this one more up-to-date you know
[1:02:42] documentation in terms of MLB compliance
[1:02:45] and from then on you will have been you
[1:02:47] know reaching out to us making updates
[1:02:49] and things like that you know I want to
[1:02:51] encourage you to continue to do what
[1:02:52] you're doing you're doing a good job
[1:02:58] [Music]
[1:03:09] any other question for Ron
[1:03:12] thank you Ron appreciate you taking the
[1:03:15] time off to come here and to address all
[1:03:17] the questions and concern that we had
[1:03:18] for me yesterday
[1:03:27] from our friends at KTP and I was
[1:03:29] introduced from Mr Gardner and uh you
[1:03:33] know ain't no anything to start a
[1:03:34] business if it wasn't for him I might
[1:03:36] still have um yeah
[1:03:38] thanks definitely not on public funded
[1:03:40] projects because of the What I Call
[1:03:42] Construction red tape
[1:03:44] it's like one I was a meeting for her
[1:03:48] was everything going on on my street you
[1:03:50] know one gentleman stood up and said you
[1:03:52] know this is just be a good faith effort
[1:03:54] we don't need your tea and your cupcakes
[1:03:57] and I
[1:03:59] really saw the
[1:04:01] what he's here for because it's
[1:04:04] impossible for someone like me to get
[1:04:05] there so that I can handle hey apps
[1:04:07] that's that have bonding you know the
[1:04:10] bond of life you know and to really get
[1:04:13] where I am right now able to be a prime
[1:04:15] of some jobs and consider buying they
[1:04:18] can confident I know what indefinitely
[1:04:20] means and things like that you know I
[1:04:22] mean I understand the insurance I
[1:04:23] understand everything though and uh you
[1:04:26] know we're going to keep moving forward
[1:04:27] but I just got a text that said happy
[1:04:28] Johnson Controls is way under their
[1:04:31] enemy Eagles and like the higher
[1:04:32] resolution projects I mean licensed
[1:04:34] electrician and the fireworks sir
[1:04:38] one of the first seeds he planted was
[1:04:41] introduced me to these gentlemen who
[1:04:43] come in and do building audits to you
[1:04:45] know change over to LED and they get the
[1:04:48] National Grid and everything and uh so
[1:04:50] that contact still obviously keeps in
[1:04:52] contact and we're going to try to help
[1:04:54] Johnson Control it down
[1:04:56] so you know that's right what you guys
[1:04:58] are talking about
[1:04:59] payouts I know we talked about this many
[1:05:02] years ago are you still continue to
[1:05:04] training with the AIA payment
[1:05:06] applications
[1:05:07] contractors yeah and you're finding it
[1:05:10] easy to use now rather than before they
[1:05:12] were so complicated they didn't
[1:05:13] understand it they understand what they
[1:05:14] did I mean it's just like my kids you
[1:05:16] know a good frustrated you know you work
[1:05:19] through and what we try to do is talk to
[1:05:21] them about
[1:05:22] like we try to think still but you need
[1:05:25] a team
[1:05:26] so that's that's really what it's all
[1:05:28] about it says
[1:05:29] you know trying to put these pieces
[1:05:30] together so that's why the center is
[1:05:32] important so that we can create that
[1:05:35] team but a smaller firm that don't have
[1:05:37] the ability to have that back offer so
[1:05:40] part of this thing is going to be to
[1:05:41] have somebody in there to help
[1:05:42] facilitate you know that kind of
[1:05:44] information like you know getting the
[1:05:47] you know applications and tags you know
[1:05:50] just just putting the big doctor because
[1:05:51] I mean Chris can tell you I mean put a
[1:05:53] big guy together his a week-long process
[1:05:56] it's a nightmare do that
[1:06:00] thank you I always appreciate it go
[1:06:02] ahead one thing I know no no go ahead
[1:06:05] please I just mounting over to the table
[1:06:07] so I'm just confused over one thing that
[1:06:09] the program is the building who owns the
[1:06:13] building
[1:06:19] I have a facilities but it becomes if it
[1:06:22] becomes a city building then it becomes
[1:06:25] a city building and then there's just
[1:06:27] you know when I proposed my budget and
[1:06:29] we did not have a 3 000 square foot
[1:06:31] remote and Empowerment Center in the
[1:06:34] budget I know but so I didn't know it
[1:06:36] wasn't clearly in the application but
[1:06:38] now we're talking about Staffing and
[1:06:41] offices and a building we used to have a
[1:06:44] remote building across the street for
[1:06:45] the PD yeah traffic we got rid of that
[1:06:49] building and now this is a building
[1:06:51] across the street River I just want to
[1:06:52] make sure that while we're doing budgets
[1:06:54] we understand like this is a new city
[1:06:57] building you know that it was kind of
[1:06:59] fall under Joe panjon and facility staff
[1:07:01] to help I would assume right so I just
[1:07:04] it wasn't clear if anything I had talked
[1:07:06] about at one point about if this
[1:07:08] building is a separate entity or it is a
[1:07:11] city-owned facility
[1:07:24] you know so some of those things that
[1:07:27] we're in the budget you know later on in
[1:07:29] the year or anything might might not if
[1:07:31] it's done this year
[1:07:32] has changed if I have to do some
[1:07:34] modifications for that I I was on an
[1:07:36] impression through the excuse me I was
[1:07:38] under the impression through the art of
[1:07:40] funds that their game was going to end
[1:07:41] up on the building
[1:07:43] um
[1:07:45] [Music]
[1:07:47] is related to this project
[1:07:58] oh of course this was I see January 9th
[1:08:01] so things have changed since January 9th
[1:08:07] all right thank you sir I appreciate it
[1:08:17] Safari can you just give us a snapshot
[1:08:19] on the engineering department
[1:08:25] give us a brief you know or extended
[1:08:29] on his Department
[1:08:33] sections
[1:08:38] you know
[1:08:40] uh
[1:08:43] excuse me uh
[1:08:45] Chris what does the Public Works
[1:08:46] Administration which is increased by 46
[1:08:49] 000 557 uh total engineering
[1:08:53] construction design is up forty five
[1:08:55] thousand three seventy two you already
[1:08:58] did facilities but he also knows
[1:09:00] facilities yeah and we're just we're
[1:09:02] just doing Public Works
[1:09:04] engineering Construction and design I'm
[1:09:07] sorry could you repeat the page page oh
[1:09:09] sorry
[1:09:18] [Music]
[1:09:41] so I'll try to be detailed but brief uh
[1:09:46] we'll go through my budget is actually
[1:09:48] quite small when it comes to engineering
[1:09:51] and but it works but there are positions
[1:09:53] there that we should talk about I'll go
[1:09:54] through the package that I handed out I
[1:09:56] kind of have it in a sequential order so
[1:09:59] what you see here in front of me and by
[1:10:00] the way just wanted to point out all of
[1:10:02] this is not creating just specifically
[1:10:04] for this meeting these were all created
[1:10:07] between five and eight years ago because
[1:10:10] they helped me keep my head on straight
[1:10:12] because without it it's a little hard so
[1:10:15] uh and they're just
[1:10:17] hold on one second
[1:10:21] so there you go so but I was showing you
[1:10:24] right here we have the department of
[1:10:25] engineering facilities core operations
[1:10:27] so while I write this down and I post it
[1:10:29] in the department is that if the time
[1:10:32] comes which may be soon that the
[1:10:34] department is only me
[1:10:35] this is what I have to do to keep the
[1:10:38] lights on in the department of work
[1:10:40] these are all of the daily tasks for the
[1:10:43] department of engineering
[1:10:45] um you know I like to point out to
[1:10:46] people that the capital projects while
[1:10:49] they are nice to have new signals and
[1:10:52] paved roads and all those things they're
[1:10:54] kind of the extra you know we have to do
[1:10:57] all of the things on this list to stay
[1:11:00] in compliant with municipality so on the
[1:11:03] list are
[1:11:04] um you know we have easements and maps
[1:11:06] from the archive list if you come to the
[1:11:08] office right we have to be able to find
[1:11:10] files and answer questions about the
[1:11:12] history of the city we have programs
[1:11:14] citizen request tracker claims against
[1:11:16] the city which are you know pretty much
[1:11:18] weekly uh Community engagement city
[1:11:20] council decorative lighting I do the the
[1:11:22] lights upstairs that actually may be
[1:11:24] going away soon which is great we're
[1:11:25] gonna We form the lighting Consortium
[1:11:27] between Proctors Metroplex and the city
[1:11:30] and that is active John's uh involved
[1:11:33] with that
[1:11:34] um AV Vehicle Management I handled the
[1:11:36] charge Point stations that are around
[1:11:37] City Hall facilities as we talked about
[1:11:40] which is the daily operations budgeting
[1:11:42] all that foils plot lines ms4 ms4 is
[1:11:46] mandated we have to do inspections uh
[1:11:48] we'll get into that in a little bit but
[1:11:50] like for that one we used to have an
[1:11:51] employee who did that he left now I have
[1:11:54] a firm that does that for us so we're
[1:11:56] paying a firm to do it because we don't
[1:11:58] have the employee to do it because it's
[1:12:00] mandated and it is quite involved to do
[1:12:02] that permits because of our staffing
[1:12:06] issues a year ago we gave all of our a
[1:12:09] lot of our permission codes because they
[1:12:12] were the ones doing most of the permits
[1:12:13] anyways we were trying to make a
[1:12:14] One-Stop shop for permit so we gave a
[1:12:17] lot of permits to codes because they had
[1:12:19] more staff plan interview we do all the
[1:12:21] planning uh commission review everybody
[1:12:23] does that but still we're looked at all
[1:12:25] those harder because it's for model
[1:12:27] engineering goes into that uh codes
[1:12:29] Department property address the storm
[1:12:31] water street closures uh pavement and
[1:12:33] then also and this one is small on the
[1:12:36] bottom but it is actually a lot of work
[1:12:39] I am technically the landlord for the
[1:12:42] court system here
[1:12:44] and so as you know we have two courts in
[1:12:47] this building and two one port soon to
[1:12:49] be two ports at the PD and those courts
[1:12:52] have
[1:12:53] 20 some full-time employees four judges
[1:12:55] officers partnering all these
[1:12:58] requirements and all of that
[1:13:00] coordination goes through me all the
[1:13:03] contract approvals all the maintenance
[1:13:05] all the requests they are not allowed to
[1:13:07] do any work in our buildings everything
[1:13:09] has to come through me so like right now
[1:13:11] they're asking for data connections they
[1:13:13] want to move a computer
[1:13:15] I met with them yesterday we have to
[1:13:17] meet there move an outlet move this
[1:13:18] coordinate with John and our
[1:13:19] electricians they want to build a
[1:13:21] counter everything has to go through me
[1:13:23] all that so that is like a huge landlord
[1:13:26] responsibility to make sure that those
[1:13:29] courts are acceptable and as you know
[1:13:31] they have a lot of complaints against us
[1:13:33] for their facilities and lack of a
[1:13:36] fourth Court which we're working on so
[1:13:38] that is a while it is a small bullet
[1:13:40] here like the others it is a very large
[1:13:42] responsibility
[1:13:44] so to do these tasks that's the next
[1:13:48] page this is a organizational chart that
[1:13:50] we have currently informed
[1:13:53] um black is uh engineering green has to
[1:13:57] do with the golf course and then yellow
[1:13:59] is open positions uh and then I put on
[1:14:02] here in red all of the retirees
[1:14:06] um you know I'm losing joke in several
[1:14:09] months I'm losing my assistant at the
[1:14:11] end of the year of next year my other
[1:14:14] assistant is part-time he works anywhere
[1:14:16] between four and 16 hours a week very
[1:14:20] hard to it's nice to have him but it is
[1:14:22] very hard to task someone who works
[1:14:25] anywhere from four to 16 hours with an
[1:14:28] assignment it actually makes a lot of
[1:14:30] work to try to keep someone like that
[1:14:32] and then you know not into my place or
[1:14:34] not but we've talked about it I have on
[1:14:36] here Paul Anthony and even John are all
[1:14:39] looking to retire in the next one two
[1:14:42] years and I rely on Paul Anthony and
[1:14:45] John a lot you know and we work together
[1:14:48] like like this and we have a really good
[1:14:50] team but you know I'm 41. I have
[1:14:55] possibly 20 years you know 25 if I go
[1:14:58] you know and and the team around me is
[1:15:01] so I just wanted to point this out the
[1:15:10] other thing I guess I would point out is
[1:15:13] I am working with Anthony on this as
[1:15:15] flexible as I can so while the budget
[1:15:18] has these in here we can talk about that
[1:15:20] with it is just a shot like for instance
[1:15:24] last year's budget uh improved budget
[1:15:27] did not have an ips3 but what we found
[1:15:30] is ips3s are available and we have so
[1:15:34] much paperwork that having another ips3
[1:15:38] would probably just be a huge help just
[1:15:41] that we are just swamped with paperwork
[1:15:43] upstairs
[1:15:43] and so last year Colleen was approved to
[1:15:47] be a ips4 so now we're looking at
[1:15:49] bringing an ips3 under accounting to
[1:15:52] help her because once again we're not
[1:15:54] only doing
[1:15:56] dozens of contracts we're also doing
[1:15:58] day-to-day bills for all paper products
[1:16:01] to soap fuel deliveries everything that
[1:16:03] goes through the golf course so you know
[1:16:06] in a week we can have a stack of bills
[1:16:09] this tall
[1:16:09] and we have to get them out but we also
[1:16:12] have to do the contracts we also have to
[1:16:15] do so we're kind of and and that would
[1:16:17] help us the more organized we are to
[1:16:18] help Anthony
[1:16:19] because Anthony's Department relies on
[1:16:22] us because we do all of our own
[1:16:24] paperwork when it comes to finances you
[1:16:26] know our department is essentially
[1:16:28] engineering purchasing Finance you know
[1:16:31] we will we do it mostly everything and
[1:16:34] then work with them on just the details
[1:16:36] of it and so that ips3 wasn't in my
[1:16:38] budget when Anthony sat down and said
[1:16:40] you need help and we've looked at it the
[1:16:42] issue that the reason that we haven't
[1:16:43] hired one we actually interviewed and
[1:16:45] then we had to stop was because there is
[1:16:47] a list you need the list and the list
[1:16:50] won't the list could be out tomorrow or
[1:16:52] it could be out in three months so we
[1:16:54] didn't feel it was appropriate to hire
[1:16:56] anyone because the list is coming
[1:17:00] so the
[1:17:02] physicians in yellow
[1:17:04] um
[1:17:05] positions correct
[1:17:08] ips3 is proposed but what I guess what I
[1:17:11] was getting at too was
[1:17:12] um the junior civil all right then this
[1:17:15] is you know we'll get into the we'll
[1:17:16] talk about a little bit of the weeds of
[1:17:17] this year all right like a junior civil
[1:17:19] engineer that 52 725 you see there
[1:17:22] that's like pop a step for that grade
[1:17:25] all right so there's a difference you
[1:17:27] have unions and you have nine so yep
[1:17:30] that position right there with those
[1:17:32] requirements
[1:17:34] side of the city is 65 000 started my
[1:17:39] wife who worked for a private company
[1:17:41] offered someone out of Clarkson no
[1:17:44] experience 66.5 with a 2500 signing
[1:17:48] bonus justice so that is what we're
[1:17:52] paying
[1:17:54] and that's TOP Step and I've actually
[1:17:56] gotten to talk to by the union about
[1:17:58] they may not approve that because they
[1:18:01] want people starting in step one and
[1:18:04] working their way up Step One is
[1:18:05] important so I might as well not even
[1:18:07] post it so in turn what I did is I did
[1:18:10] not post a junior civil engineer I
[1:18:13] posted a position called a senior
[1:18:15] technician is similar pay but the
[1:18:20] qualifications are less trying to get
[1:18:23] just someone
[1:18:24] and so that's what I mean kind of by
[1:18:27] trying to be flexible the we have the
[1:18:30] money in the budget we just don't have
[1:18:32] people to spend the money on and we have
[1:18:34] the money in the budget last year I
[1:18:36] guess is what we always have the money
[1:18:37] in the budget okay I just wanted to make
[1:18:39] sure that they weren't so what we end up
[1:18:40] doing is like for instance our ms4
[1:18:42] consultant is actually being paid for
[1:18:45] out of like a salary citizen because
[1:18:48] if we had a person the person would do
[1:18:50] the work so since we don't have the
[1:18:52] person and I didn't have a budget line
[1:18:54] for consultant ms4 we set aside money to
[1:18:58] pay for someone to do what the person is
[1:19:00] doing and you'll see that as we go
[1:19:01] through uh if you want to go to like the
[1:19:03] next page
[1:19:05] you just want to be 100 clear so the
[1:19:07] junior civil engineer which we which
[1:19:09] have been here for 15
[1:19:11] 5
[1:19:12] yes and also this one assistant to the
[1:19:16] engineer everything that says open was
[1:19:17] in the approved 2022 budget and is open
[1:19:21] except the IPS three the ips3 is
[1:19:24] proposed and it's in this one okay yes
[1:19:26] thank you yes that's how I try to
[1:19:29] differentiate things
[1:19:30] um the next page of my little handout
[1:19:33] here is how I am getting work done so
[1:19:39] without staff and would be workable that
[1:19:41] I have I had gone out for the term
[1:19:45] agreement
[1:19:46] last year
[1:19:47] and the term agreement was for
[1:19:49] everything because we do everything when
[1:19:53] I started here in 2012 I was city
[1:19:55] engineer in charge of roads and bridges
[1:19:58] now I'm city engineer in charge of roads
[1:20:00] and bridges and buildings and golf
[1:20:01] course and parks and you know it's grown
[1:20:04] so my term agreement reflects that we
[1:20:09] used to have one company now I have one
[1:20:11] two three four five six seven eight nine
[1:20:13] ten
[1:20:14] the 10th company on the bottom is a
[1:20:17] small one-man operation that he's coming
[1:20:19] in also in lieu of staff to help you do
[1:20:21] grant writing and some applications
[1:20:25] um but I need all of these groups to do
[1:20:28] the work of that yeah now even if I had
[1:20:30] staff I probably would still need this
[1:20:32] group
[1:20:33] um because these are all like PE
[1:20:34] companies but I probably would need as
[1:20:37] many so this is what we're using right
[1:20:40] now so I have this is what I call my
[1:20:43] stable firms I rotate the work
[1:20:47] um so I started you know I go to GPI GPI
[1:20:50] is working on the paving program and
[1:20:52] then I'll go okay MJ you're doing this
[1:20:54] cha I'm working with them on Sports yeah
[1:20:56] uh all the contracts were reviewed
[1:20:59] approved and created by my office
[1:21:02] we were outside a lot we did our own
[1:21:04] contracts I hired my own attorney
[1:21:07] we did everything on our own
[1:21:09] independently of essentially the rest of
[1:21:11] the city
[1:21:12] so we're
[1:21:13] are these fees
[1:21:16] in this budget these fees are in the
[1:21:19] projects oh okay I got it these are I
[1:21:23] got it okay these are the soft costs
[1:21:25] associated with the products so these
[1:21:28] are
[1:21:29] you know um like for example you
[1:21:31] approved money for uh Central Park
[1:21:33] tennis courts yeah
[1:21:35] 25 000 of the 500 000 you approve is
[1:21:37] going to go to the design of the 500.
[1:21:40] uh you know chips money all the the
[1:21:43] state money that we get and allow to do
[1:21:45] the inspection and the design of the
[1:21:47] world so that's where the accounting
[1:21:49] comes in
[1:21:50] you know we have a lot going on upstairs
[1:21:52] with how are we paying it where is it
[1:21:55] coming from what reimbursements do we
[1:21:57] have it's a lot of paperwork but most of
[1:22:00] this other than I say civil engineer
[1:22:02] foreign female that is in lieu of staff
[1:22:05] so actually civil engineer for in the
[1:22:08] office assistant those two positions are
[1:22:11] coming out of salary lines oh okay
[1:22:14] because
[1:22:15] if you were to look right now the last
[1:22:18] time I looked at something like two
[1:22:20] hundred thousand dollars available on
[1:22:21] our salary lines if you don't have
[1:22:23] people got a chance
[1:22:26] so everything else is a product
[1:22:29] what's the other one that comes out of
[1:22:30] the cellular line besides the ms4 office
[1:22:34] assistance and support the last one fcm
[1:22:36] and that's brand new we just
[1:22:39] so I can I can just touch on that so the
[1:22:42] issue why I had to bring fcm engineering
[1:22:44] on is uh on the next sheets you'll see
[1:22:47] them but well I have seven major
[1:22:50] projects that are right now just kind of
[1:22:53] held up
[1:22:54] all the projects have stepped
[1:22:57] you have to do an RFP you have to
[1:22:59] evaluate the RFP you have to send in the
[1:23:01] evaluations then you're allowed to put
[1:23:03] people on once you go through all those
[1:23:04] steps
[1:23:05] um unlike a lot of other things I can't
[1:23:07] just bring a firm on that I like for
[1:23:10] those particular these firms I bring on
[1:23:13] for smaller project City projects those
[1:23:16] are big Federal projects I have to go
[1:23:17] through them along the process the
[1:23:19] problem is I don't have the time to
[1:23:21] write seven rfps so he's coming on board
[1:23:25] he has experience writing them so he's
[1:23:27] going to help you write them we're going
[1:23:29] to I'm just going to really want me
[1:23:30] we're going to send them out and he's
[1:23:31] going
[1:23:32] you know then I'm going to get 10
[1:23:33] responses for each one of them I'm gonna
[1:23:35] have to review 70 responses and then you
[1:23:37] know it the process is going to be
[1:23:39] lengthy but you know the number one
[1:23:40] project is Craig Street and Craig
[1:23:42] Street's actually three projects so you
[1:23:45] know do that one is number one and cream
[1:23:47] Street then the train main intersection
[1:23:49] and all the dri projects project because
[1:23:51] we did get the dri contracts but unless
[1:23:54] I get these rfps out in the RFP for
[1:23:56] those has to go to the Department of
[1:23:57] State
[1:23:58] and then come back for a review and we
[1:24:01] everything we do with them has to be
[1:24:02] given to them so the process is going to
[1:24:04] be
[1:24:05] so all these firms are what we do and
[1:24:08] then at the end of 2023 I'm gonna have
[1:24:10] to solicit review and do it all again I
[1:24:12] mean it's the most fair and Equitable
[1:24:13] way to do things but once again time you
[1:24:17] know I was going to point out um same
[1:24:19] thing with these transitions that are
[1:24:22] open
[1:24:23] um
[1:24:24] every time that I do something it's time
[1:24:27] that I'm not doing something else
[1:24:29] so if you were to say you know Chris you
[1:24:31] know what you really need to focus and
[1:24:32] hire and fill these positions
[1:24:34] I'm not going to do this for a while and
[1:24:37] then we're going to get complaints that
[1:24:39] things aren't getting done on this side
[1:24:40] of it because I'm doing this you know
[1:24:42] there's not this when you go up there
[1:24:44] it's me and Colleen mcgarrett there is
[1:24:46] not a person behind the room there's no
[1:24:48] one up there to help you know do these
[1:24:50] things so that's where it does get a
[1:24:52] little frustrating that you know I do
[1:24:54] want to hire people
[1:24:55] but when do I dedicate your time to hire
[1:24:57] people because if something needs to get
[1:24:59] changed like a job qualification then
[1:25:02] I absolutely change and work with Mary
[1:25:04] it's a long process that's why I want to
[1:25:07] ask you is how that connects to HR
[1:25:10] you're hiring
[1:25:12] so you said that you would have to do
[1:25:13] the work so what part of it does HR help
[1:25:15] with so HR will post it
[1:25:17] you know like if I ask uh Karen I want
[1:25:20] to post these positions she puts them up
[1:25:22] and she's using now the website and
[1:25:24] indeed and a couple other areas and uh
[1:25:26] and then she'll post it for the amount
[1:25:28] of time and then send me the resumes
[1:25:30] okay
[1:25:31] um the issue is indeed it's kind of like
[1:25:34] uh indeed it's kind of like a shotgun
[1:25:37] blast you get things from everywhere and
[1:25:40] I don't even know if they know what
[1:25:41] they're applying to one of the
[1:25:43] applications said you know I'd be
[1:25:44] willing to move from Arizona if you paid
[1:25:46] relocation fees you know and it's like
[1:25:48] okay they probably don't understand what
[1:25:49] we are and
[1:25:52] um and then then we have you know the
[1:25:54] issue of some of the positions I'll tell
[1:25:57] you I was waiting to post until after
[1:25:58] the conversation or The Residency thing
[1:26:01] because all of our applications go out
[1:26:03] saying you know applicants must even
[1:26:05] live in the city so I do know a lot of
[1:26:08] professionals are not going well why
[1:26:10] would you apply your job or at the
[1:26:12] bottom of it where it says requirements
[1:26:14] it says it if you can so when we post we
[1:26:16] don't get a lot of responses but indeed
[1:26:19] it doesn't happen indeed it's just a big
[1:26:20] Rule and you'll pull from
[1:26:22] so but wouldn't some of these positions
[1:26:24] be considered specialty positions so The
[1:26:27] Residency requirement
[1:26:30] I'm not aware of that exceptions that we
[1:26:32] just have to get a waiver oh okay
[1:26:35] so in fact in the last few years we were
[1:26:38] trying to uh apply for these jobs we've
[1:26:41] had months where nobody would even apply
[1:26:43] we you know we put them out there nobody
[1:26:45] would even apply for it for these
[1:26:47] positions and I mean I don't want to get
[1:26:49] Louise with everything but now too so us
[1:26:52] was it civil service we're really
[1:26:54] looking at qualifications
[1:26:56] so where even if we feel like somebody
[1:26:58] has a good head on their shoulders and
[1:26:59] did a well interview and we think um they may not be approved
[1:27:04] because their background and experience
[1:27:06] may not match up with Civil Service
[1:27:07] things the position can have can do and
[1:27:10] they get rejected and that's happened
[1:27:11] quite a few times recently so
[1:27:15] it's yes oh I mean I I don't really want
[1:27:18] to do that defense but isn't it like
[1:27:20] what do you have to say or whatever a
[1:27:22] professional is doing the hiring has to
[1:27:24] say doesn't that carry any weight at all
[1:27:26] with social services
[1:27:31] oh my gosh hmm maybe she's upright the
[1:27:36] job description
[1:27:43] listening to all this and I really
[1:27:45] appreciate and recognize your Ingenuity
[1:27:47] because it seems like you're just
[1:27:48] keeping this
[1:27:49] barely from capsizing with like The
[1:27:52] Limited crew and it gets reflected like
[1:27:55] you're doing a lot with limited
[1:27:57] resources I guess I I want to know if
[1:28:00] you're able to identify if this person
[1:28:03] hasn't already passed but where's your
[1:28:05] breaking point is it truly the oh no
[1:28:07] don't say it
[1:28:09] don't don't know anything
[1:28:13] about it sorry it's uh I'm trying to
[1:28:16] know when our point is if we need to act
[1:28:18] or change something differently because
[1:28:19] I think you're aware of the posting
[1:28:22] positions we're knocking applicants so
[1:28:24] it's when do we need to do something
[1:28:25] different has that moment already passed
[1:28:28] or truly what is going to be lacking
[1:28:30] within the city if it can't be anything
[1:28:33] on this first page because I know our
[1:28:35] projects that we need to do them so yeah
[1:28:38] and this first page let me see you're
[1:28:39] looking at this was just an example I
[1:28:41] printed this because I didn't think you
[1:28:42] guys would believe me
[1:28:44] uh this page I highlighted this this
[1:28:47] date here is December of 2015 so it
[1:28:51] shows you how long I've been doing these
[1:28:52] sheets so these sheets I put them in
[1:28:55] that PDF that I sent out these are the
[1:28:57] only thing that keeps me sane and
[1:28:58] organized it's a silly Excel document
[1:29:01] that is organized but it's organized by
[1:29:04] project type who I gave it to
[1:29:06] assignments what category is under so I
[1:29:09] just wanted to show you that I didn't
[1:29:10] make these documents because what I what
[1:29:12] I was afraid of is that you guys would
[1:29:13] say well no wonder Chris was so
[1:29:15] overwhelmed we spent all this time
[1:29:16] making these freaking documents and
[1:29:18] these documents exist this is this is
[1:29:20] how I is a budget folder year to year
[1:29:23] and all this exists and this is my
[1:29:25] day-to-day so um you know for instance
[1:29:27] the one thing I will show is that you
[1:29:29] know this this sheet here this is the
[1:29:32] closed project I apologize they're gray
[1:29:34] on my sheet I didn't think about the
[1:29:36] flexibility I have gray and small but
[1:29:39] you know 6 5 million dollars of
[1:29:41] completed projects
[1:29:43] you know and that probably up and down
[1:29:45] and then the next sheet is uh and
[1:29:48] usually when I printed my 11 by 17 but I
[1:29:50] thought that'd be harder to hold but uh
[1:29:52] the next one is my construction project
[1:29:54] you know so these are all the projects
[1:29:56] that are Bid awarded in construction
[1:29:58] going to construction something so right
[1:30:01] now you know our department has 21
[1:30:02] million dollars of projects in
[1:30:04] construction and all this is is just
[1:30:06] sorting it you know John's types it
[1:30:08] doesn't come too short then you get to
[1:30:10] design I have 27 million dollars of
[1:30:14] project in design phase so these are the
[1:30:16] projects that are going to happen next
[1:30:19] year some point that we're working on
[1:30:21] designing
[1:30:23] um so examples are docs Kings Road
[1:30:26] Bridge under there uh Forest Road
[1:30:29] improvements which we're working on City
[1:30:30] Hall projects and road projects of 27
[1:30:33] million dollars of active design
[1:30:34] projects and then the impending one is
[1:30:37] projects that aren't quite off the
[1:30:39] ground yet but all have Merit uh for the
[1:30:42] dri is on here right now because
[1:30:45] I'm still working on getting firms on it
[1:30:47] once I get a firm signed and on board it
[1:30:49] moves from pending to design so right
[1:30:52] now this is 27 million so 27 million 27
[1:30:55] million 21 million so we're right around
[1:30:57] 70 million dollars of construction in
[1:31:00] some capacity and I guess my point was
[1:31:02] when I was getting at is all of this is
[1:31:05] in addition to this
[1:31:09] you know so like yesterday uh my
[1:31:12] assistant you know his daughter had a
[1:31:13] baby his first grandchild he wasn't in
[1:31:16] so there is myself and Colleen and we do
[1:31:19] this so it it's a challenge your
[1:31:22] breaking point I don't know if I have I mean I think
[1:31:25] I'm well beyond it you know it's like
[1:31:27] one of those things is once you're into
[1:31:28] the insanity you're into it you know
[1:31:30] what I mean looking at these sheets by
[1:31:31] looking at the Matrix but uh the one
[1:31:34] thing I will say is that
[1:31:37] um I do feel that
[1:31:39] what will be determined the Department's
[1:31:42] not what I wanted to be I don't think it
[1:31:44] fairly represents what I wanted to be if
[1:31:46] you were to come up into the department
[1:31:47] it looks like hell I mean you know
[1:31:50] because the maps I have to put them away
[1:31:52] because no one else knows where they go
[1:31:54] so they don't get put away they just get
[1:31:56] stacked up because I don't have time to
[1:31:58] put the maps away right our furniture is
[1:31:59] from 1940 we don't have staff you know
[1:32:02] what I mean like so if if you come up
[1:32:04] people appreciate what we're doing but I
[1:32:06] don't feel it it reflects what we're
[1:32:08] doing and similarly the pool project or
[1:32:11] the road project those projects I
[1:32:13] haven't seen them because if I leave my
[1:32:15] office then the wheels stop working and
[1:32:19] so I have people that go out and tell me
[1:32:21] they send me text photos of it so I'm
[1:32:23] like Herbert Hughes up there in my
[1:32:25] office all the time just making sure the
[1:32:27] paperwork
[1:32:29] um but that's where I was going to ask
[1:32:31] you like all of the um projects that we
[1:32:34] have approved through our that are here
[1:32:36] in the capital budget
[1:32:37] um which I think we talk about later we
[1:32:39] haven't talked about this we're going to
[1:32:40] talk about right after this yeah
[1:32:41] um those aren't even this are they
[1:32:44] all well that's what I'm getting at is
[1:32:45] that not on bet they are on these
[1:32:50] [Music]
[1:33:00] but and I do have people working but
[1:33:03] what I'm getting at is that like for
[1:33:05] instance I showed up competing yesterday
[1:33:06] and the comment was Oh I thought you
[1:33:08] were dead because that particular person
[1:33:10] that was at the meeting sent me five
[1:33:12] emails when I got back to none of them
[1:33:14] because the emails were about something
[1:33:16] that was bio important to them
[1:33:20] wasn't my priority you know my
[1:33:22] priorities right now are finished piece
[1:33:24] up was to open the bridge right kind of
[1:33:26] get everything dialed in for the winner
[1:33:28] get the pool done pay bills
[1:33:31] you know a lot of times we don't pay
[1:33:32] bills on time that's a huge issue for
[1:33:35] Anthony and we'll get people because
[1:33:37] it's a big stack of bills
[1:33:39] you know so we got to pay the bills
[1:33:41] that's that's the problem is that I I
[1:33:43] like my job and I like what we're doing
[1:33:45] but I don't think it represents what I
[1:33:47] wanted to represent I wanted to be
[1:33:49] a slick organization book with the
[1:33:51] amount of money that we're doing and the
[1:33:54] amount of staff that we have it's not
[1:33:55] possible there's a lot of bumps in the
[1:33:57] world and I think people are cognizant
[1:33:59] of it which makes it workable like
[1:34:01] people know that they're busy they know
[1:34:03] what we're doing I mean we talked about
[1:34:04] it you know
[1:34:06] um I got you know the most federal money
[1:34:08] this year of all 20 mispowers we got 60
[1:34:11] million dollars the next highest was six
[1:34:14] it's the dri if you were to have to
[1:34:17] worry about the dri the dri was awarded
[1:34:19] because of one of my products because
[1:34:21] they loved it so much that they
[1:34:25] that's another
[1:34:29] and so it's doable I know this sounds
[1:34:31] like
[1:34:33] boasting at the same time
[1:34:35] but I like this is this is engineering
[1:34:37] this is what we're doing
[1:34:39] um I would appreciate more staff I don't
[1:34:41] know how we get there we have the
[1:34:43] Consultants to do it uh you know that's
[1:34:45] why the Fearless is that I Rely a lot on
[1:34:48] John you know I realize
[1:34:51] no I'm just saying what's what's I'm
[1:34:54] nervous about the future yeah I'm
[1:34:57] nervous about you know like Paul and I
[1:34:59] have a really good relationship
[1:35:01] he knows what I know what he does he
[1:35:03] knows what I you know and everybody's
[1:35:07] who you see in a year this department
[1:35:09] when the city is going vastly different
[1:35:12] so Chris I mean we know I can speak
[1:35:17] historically you're coming for us almost
[1:35:21] every budget
[1:35:22] you know talking about your department
[1:35:24] is not complaining it's not posting it's
[1:35:25] what you're doing on a daily basis so I
[1:35:27] want to reference that and we have seen
[1:35:29] it we're seeing it across the city the
[1:35:31] project that you're completing it was
[1:35:33] what you're doing answer and the past
[1:35:35] you keep taking on one of the daily
[1:35:37] bases now um just cross my mind looking
[1:35:40] at this document here this document here
[1:35:42] is more of a scheduler who will help
[1:35:45] with this have you ever considered
[1:35:46] hiring a schedule to help a schedule yes
[1:36:09] Anthony was really pushing me towards I
[1:36:13] think I think what's happened over the
[1:36:15] first eight years and I've been here
[1:36:17] kind of first eight years was we'd be we
[1:36:19] have been really obsessed with trying to
[1:36:21] hire a PT we have to hire a PD let's get
[1:36:24] another PE but what's happened is now
[1:36:27] that I have this and this isn't new
[1:36:28] these you know this is this this
[1:36:31] grouping is new these are PES all right
[1:36:34] these people are more than qualified to
[1:36:36] do engineering that's the you know the
[1:36:38] firms I have these are all the PES right
[1:36:41] what Anthony and I have come what he has
[1:36:43] made me realize honestly is that
[1:36:47] bodies who know the Arid system right
[1:36:50] can help with things like because if you
[1:36:52] have to think about it like if I were to
[1:36:54] leave I'm not saying but if I were to
[1:36:55] leave no one knows where the maps go now
[1:36:59] you know I call I actually call Steve
[1:37:01] Caruso who was here for 30 years I don't
[1:37:03] know if you guys remember Steve Stevens
[1:37:05] phenomenal I call Steve once a month to
[1:37:08] ask him where something goes
[1:37:10] because that's just how it works you
[1:37:12] know there's we have no institutional
[1:37:14] knowledge up there I have a hard time
[1:37:17] struggling with things you know the same
[1:37:18] way we're like we're looking for an
[1:37:19] as-built map of uh Kingsway arm over off
[1:37:22] of Kings Road yeah and I'm like I know
[1:37:25] we built this in the 80s like why can't
[1:37:27] I find a map of it and you know he came
[1:37:29] he was doing something came here and
[1:37:30] he's like oh you know why it's because
[1:37:32] it was called this
[1:37:33] and I'm like oh he found it in the book
[1:37:36] and I'm like you know and that's what
[1:37:38] I'm getting at it's like those little
[1:37:40] things I would love to hire someone to
[1:37:41] come
[1:37:42] go through everything and just scanning
[1:37:44] and just once again I would have to do
[1:37:46] all of that that's a huge process so it
[1:37:50] doesn't get done because these things
[1:38:06] in terms of the ips3 for example
[1:38:10] um and I know the idea of working within
[1:38:14] a class and getting outside of a class
[1:38:16] but so I don't know all the details
[1:38:17] there but I mean would that person be
[1:38:19] able to help you with
[1:38:21] filing the maps or for example the bills
[1:38:25] I guess and I feel like we heard this a
[1:38:27] little bit with Mr Gardner as well like
[1:38:31] why are you having to pay the bill bills
[1:38:34] as opposed to somebody in our
[1:38:37] accounting area
[1:38:39] we pay them but if we process it from
[1:38:42] them yes
[1:38:45] the approval piece yeah
[1:38:47] I would rather do his end than mine
[1:38:50] I mean it's hard again it's still it's
[1:38:53] still creating you know getting the
[1:38:55] invoice creating the you know the
[1:38:57] requisition form Finance so I signed I
[1:38:59] probably have to do that Colleen does that so and she does
[1:39:04] that for all the facilities in the golf
[1:39:05] course
[1:39:07] the parks
[1:39:21] now my name is just like a circle
[1:39:23] because it's just such a because that's
[1:39:25] we have to sign I have to sign a lot of
[1:39:27] stuff and I don't know
[1:39:30] if there's any other questions like who
[1:39:32] would sign it otherwise you know if you
[1:39:34] don't have it no I get that I just was I
[1:39:36] mean to answer that Chris is more of you
[1:39:38] signing it because you're doing you're
[1:39:39] looking at the progress work and you're
[1:39:42] looking at something else on the payment
[1:39:43] application so they're feeling for what
[1:39:44] is completed yeah building for excessive
[1:39:47] work that is yeah the other part of it
[1:39:49] is though is it's just
[1:39:50] I mean honestly being a supervisor right so last week you know I went last
[1:39:55] week one of the bills had a vendor's
[1:39:58] home on it was just the wrong because it
[1:40:01] got the wrong Bill nobody caught it and
[1:40:03] you know so I called him up and I said
[1:40:04] is this the right bill that has your
[1:40:05] home address on it he goes oh no that
[1:40:07] should be this you know so it wasn't
[1:40:09] caught and some bills say the wrong
[1:40:11] place okay they have to want to know we
[1:40:13] bought this from Home Depot
[1:40:15] who does it get charged with and also I
[1:40:18] mean there is value that I have to do
[1:40:20] these things that's just a thing it's a
[1:40:22] big thing
[1:40:23] so so it seems like you have a lot of
[1:40:27] free time on your hands that's what
[1:40:28] you're talking about you know I guess I
[1:40:30] like that I like that I won't tell you
[1:40:33] this right because I don't want anything
[1:40:34] you guys think I'm so smart no no no the
[1:40:37] uh I I also have a nine-year-old and an
[1:40:40] 11 year old all right so Anthony can
[1:40:42] attest to this when I started here at
[1:40:44] 31. I came in
[1:40:46] twice three times a week and I work nine
[1:40:49] to midnight because I like nights and it
[1:40:51] was quiet right those days are long
[1:40:54] behind me I have to get everything I can
[1:40:56] done from nine to five because from five
[1:41:00] to nine is another job it's a whole
[1:41:02] other responsibility and I told him I
[1:41:04] told Anthony that I'm actually staying
[1:41:06] late on Mondays because I get so much
[1:41:08] more done
[1:41:10] browsers when the phones are you know it's amazing what you can just
[1:41:15] put it quiet what you can get done and I
[1:41:18] bet if I could do that more
[1:41:21] I probably wouldn't go as crazy but I
[1:41:23] just not it's not feasible until my kids
[1:41:24] are in college you know where you can
[1:41:26] actually dedicate more time so if you
[1:41:28] guys are sitting around saying you know
[1:41:29] Chris is working 80 hours a week
[1:41:32] I mean I don't want to paint that
[1:41:33] picture I'm I I'm working right I work
[1:41:36] more than the you know what it is but
[1:41:39] I also have this other balance which is
[1:41:41] hurting me at the other end of it you
[1:41:43] know like if like a doctor's appointment
[1:41:45] you know like there's life now and work
[1:41:47] and everything you know if I put life
[1:41:49] into these things yeah it'd be crazy so
[1:41:52] no more clay balance no it's it's just
[1:41:56] hard right so in Austin
[1:42:01] I think that so I just want to make sure
[1:42:04] I'm going to stand and clear so at one
[1:42:06] point it was like you know and of course
[1:42:07] you need to fill these where you were
[1:42:09] looking to fill these positions but now
[1:42:13] um through kind of here
[1:42:15] uh thinking now is that if we can get
[1:42:18] people who might not even be as uh
[1:42:21] especially skilled training in these
[1:42:23] areas but just want that administrative
[1:42:25] support is as that kind of like the
[1:42:27] direction yeah so one of those like I
[1:42:29] said the senior the senior engineering
[1:42:32] technician was seen as a under a level
[1:42:35] of a junior engineer
[1:42:37] but it does not require uh it does it
[1:42:40] has more outs than the job description
[1:42:41] than you know of Junior engineering
[1:42:43] which was a junior engineer if you were
[1:42:44] to look at it I mean you've got to
[1:42:45] remember the history of the city and
[1:42:46] history the job reports the junior
[1:42:47] engineer is a student from Clarkson or
[1:42:51] RPI that comes to work for the city I
[1:42:53] was a junior engineer when I started in
[1:42:54] 2005. assuming Buffalo graduate right no
[1:42:57] experience come in but I mean I don't I
[1:43:00] talked to the union about it just a
[1:43:02] little bit but
[1:43:05] their rates are here everybody rates are
[1:43:07] here you know I told somebody that if
[1:43:09] somebody comes and applies for my junior
[1:43:11] engineering position in this economy
[1:43:12] there's something wrong with them why
[1:43:15] are you find me this unit 65 the dot 65
[1:43:18] and private's over 65. so why would you come here for 45
[1:43:23] you know so that's what we talked about
[1:43:24] trying to get people that are City
[1:43:28] residents that you know like you know
[1:43:31] almost like the cold war try to see what
[1:43:32] codes or you know some kind of level
[1:43:33] where maybe the requirements for
[1:43:35] Education are a little well because it
[1:43:37] doesn't mean you don't have a good head
[1:43:38] on your shoulders it doesn't mean you
[1:43:39] can't you know help with the job and
[1:43:41] then we'll train them and the other
[1:43:42] thing is trying to get you know and this
[1:43:44] is not trying to be ages it's just my
[1:43:47] staff I get a lot of resumes from people
[1:43:49] who have retired who are looking for
[1:43:52] work because they retire at 65 and they
[1:43:55] say I got some good years left in me and
[1:43:57] they want to work and I have gotten a
[1:43:59] lot of resumes like that the problem is
[1:44:02] there's not
[1:44:05] you know like I don't know how much they
[1:44:06] can pass on you know if you have
[1:44:08] somebody who's 40 who's going to be here
[1:44:10] to Pat like if I teach someone that's
[1:44:13] going to retire that's retired
[1:44:14] everything about the city they're gone
[1:44:15] in two years
[1:44:17] they take all of it with them you know
[1:44:19] whereas you know that's what I'm getting
[1:44:20] on my phone is it's like you know I
[1:44:22] spend or 10 years you know
[1:44:24] trying to pass the Anthony is doing that
[1:44:26] with Derek you know Derek you know
[1:44:28] working with him to bring him up to
[1:44:29] speed you know having that you know
[1:44:31] right now everyone in my office is you
[1:44:34] know so have you discussion have you
[1:44:36] discussed this resume with the man in
[1:44:38] terms of The Residency uh waiver
[1:44:41] that is something you should discuss
[1:44:43] with him to see if there can be some way
[1:44:46] over
[1:44:47] I actually pushed I said just bring the
[1:44:50] guy in I'll come with you well find
[1:44:53] somebody you like me
[1:44:55] push him in there
[1:44:57] I mean I mean like if I find somebody
[1:44:59] you know and that's the other problem I
[1:45:01] was even trying to
[1:45:03] you know you know we talk about how to
[1:45:04] steal somebody you know can we steal
[1:45:06] somebody from another company or steal
[1:45:08] somebody but they're stealing from us
[1:45:11] I'm just we've thought about it but you
[1:45:15] know you have to pass the exam there is
[1:45:17] no exam available to study off of
[1:45:19] there's there's things it's just it puts
[1:45:22] you in a tough spot
[1:45:24] I'm glad that you you bring this to our
[1:45:26] attention this on this page here in
[1:45:28] terms of outlining the the PE forms and
[1:45:31] that is on board with you to support you
[1:45:33] in the engineering department because
[1:45:35] sometimes we wonder
[1:45:37] are these enough
[1:45:38] um support staff that you have but this
[1:45:40] kind of make a little easy for us to
[1:45:42] know that you do have support staff of
[1:45:44] do you need to add more I mean that's
[1:45:46] your call and there is funding available
[1:45:48] for it you should you know because
[1:45:51] you're doing a lot and they're more done
[1:45:53] by playing coming your way
[1:45:55] yeah that was good
[1:45:57] increasingly busy
[1:46:00] money into the city
[1:46:03] I know and that's the other issue is
[1:46:05] Right On My Own Worst Enemy with that
[1:46:07] yeah you don't bring any money in you
[1:46:09] don't really work yeah all right so
[1:46:11] let's go through uh yeah that was in
[1:46:13] depth that was wonderful uh I think that
[1:46:15] was uh so this Ultra Public Works admin
[1:46:19] I have a question about the engineering
[1:46:20] case go ahead
[1:46:23] um so so you wanted to add that we're
[1:46:26] not seeing it on here so we want you
[1:46:28] want to add this IPS threads
[1:46:31] page nine page nine age nine Public
[1:46:34] Works admin okay
[1:46:37] 38 339
[1:46:39] okay that's where that person is
[1:46:42] yeah all right
[1:46:45] I was just looking at selling
[1:46:47] the csda wants people to start at step
[1:46:50] one
[1:46:52] I mean that's the issue with the junior
[1:46:53] engineer engineer Step One is something
[1:46:55] like 45. any question on the Public
[1:46:58] Works admin
[1:47:00] no
[1:47:02] yes go ahead please
[1:47:05] um well so uh we see that um let's just
[1:47:09] be
[1:47:10] um we see what your current salary is
[1:47:12] and
[1:47:15] is
[1:47:16] was there did you request more I mean I
[1:47:19] just wanted to say I sent a request to
[1:47:21] John and yourself I didn't know if I I
[1:47:23] was thinking it would got distributed I
[1:47:25] don't know if it did we also asked a
[1:47:27] requests
[1:47:29] all the way through I did submit it to
[1:47:31] the mayor and it was not it did not make
[1:47:34] it into this budget
[1:47:35] uh it was you know because he went with
[1:47:37] four percent management price so uh but
[1:47:40] that's why I put it into the council to
[1:47:42] say I I put a request in for a hundred
[1:47:45] and forty thousand
[1:47:47] um the number is in line with the
[1:47:50] promotion uh the raise that uh Andrew
[1:47:53] received last year which was
[1:47:55] approximately 24 and it's also in line
[1:47:57] with the information that I disseminated
[1:47:59] about engineers in the area
[1:48:03] um city of Saratoga engineer which is
[1:48:05] half of the city Side here and half of
[1:48:08] the budget they're in the budget for 148
[1:48:11] 500 pound of michiguna their Engineers
[1:48:15] 145 000 in the town of Glenville which
[1:48:20] recently posted is 120 which is 5 000
[1:48:24] more than on that so
[1:48:27] um this is not once again it's a similar
[1:48:29] discussion that Anthony made and that
[1:48:31] we've had is uh you know I am going to
[1:48:34] advocate for myself I believe that I am
[1:48:37] the top Municipal engineer in the area I
[1:48:40] don't think that there is a doubt about
[1:48:43] it by bringing the work I get the work
[1:48:45] done
[1:48:47] um I have an extremely impressive logo
[1:48:50] of contacts um you know of what we can
[1:48:53] get done I've never not delivered on a
[1:48:54] project and so I look around at peers
[1:48:58] who do less in smaller communities with
[1:49:01] more staff
[1:49:03] I have to say that you know
[1:49:05] this is this is my career you know what
[1:49:08] I mean this is not something that I take
[1:49:10] lightly go to school I submitted my
[1:49:12] resume uh with that you know I went to
[1:49:15] school for six years got an MBA from
[1:49:16] Union and I enjoy this but also
[1:49:20] you know this is a career this is
[1:49:22] something that you do in your trash bag
[1:49:24] would be the best at your career so
[1:49:25] that's where that's why I put it in
[1:49:27] there you know this is not the first
[1:49:28] time I've requested it but this is the
[1:49:30] first time that I have
[1:49:32] reflected after the mayor has cut it
[1:49:35] because it's just you know there were
[1:49:37] other extenuating circumstances this
[1:49:40] year that made me want to push a little
[1:49:42] harder
[1:49:43] um some are aware of some are not and uh
[1:49:46] I was told my value was here at the city
[1:49:48] so I'm asking the counselor to tell me
[1:49:50] what my value is and you know you can
[1:49:53] tell me it's valuable but like anything
[1:49:55] else you know
[1:49:57] Sports
[1:49:58] private business and all that your value
[1:50:00] is most times a number
[1:50:05] any additional question on this section
[1:50:07] before we move into engineering
[1:50:09] Construction and design
[1:50:11] so
[1:50:13] [Music]
[1:50:17] on that I'm sorry I have my notes I
[1:50:19] don't have that budget but it should be
[1:50:20] very similar
[1:50:22] um so we have one of the things we did
[1:50:23] do is we moved some position
[1:50:26] uh into here from I believe the water
[1:50:29] department Anthony right what we did yep
[1:50:31] so you know there is an additional
[1:50:33] position uh the assistant's civil yeah
[1:50:36] um so that's in there
[1:50:38] um and then we have our assistant to the
[1:50:40] city engineer that's Gary uh Junior
[1:50:43] engineer and then we have the arpa
[1:50:45] assistant to the civil and then the
[1:50:47] civil engineer so you know we have we
[1:50:51] have salary
[1:50:52] um and we're trying to figure out the
[1:50:54] best way to build people with that
[1:50:56] salary
[1:50:57] the assistant civil engineer is that a
[1:51:00] 0.5 or 1 32 000.
[1:51:04] the assistant civil engineer that one
[1:51:07] person it's one person but it's part
[1:51:10] time that's the person that works four
[1:51:12] to four to twenty hours oh okay but
[1:51:15] they're working part-time in your office
[1:51:16] in my office okay they are they are not
[1:51:19] a consultant they're a part-time yeah
[1:51:42] any other questions
[1:51:45] um the salary for your position
[1:51:47] is just in your it's just what we're
[1:51:50] seeing on in your department it's not
[1:51:52] spread out into any other department no that's just the junior or whatever I
[1:51:56] noticed from some of them but
[1:51:58] um historically there is a I'm not
[1:52:01] mistaken
[1:52:03] you mentioned
[1:52:08] because of your beautiful scene
[1:52:14] and then and then the idea what it was
[1:52:16] if the golf course were to
[1:52:19] go for my management the stipend goes
[1:52:22] with it because that's it is it is
[1:52:25] working you see what we do with the golf
[1:52:27] course and how it works I'm not saying
[1:52:28] that I can't handle it it's you know we
[1:52:31] have a good thing going but that it's
[1:52:33] not something that I'm personally going
[1:52:34] to hang on to if the work goes away but so the stipend is attached directly
[1:52:38] to that word okay yeah
[1:52:41] any other question Chris
[1:52:44] thank you
[1:52:46] fees for service you just want to
[1:52:48] address it for you know sure yeah
[1:52:52] um yeah we have fees for service line
[1:52:54] because you don't have my notes uh that
[1:52:56] is what we do use for professional
[1:52:57] service fees the smaller ones if we have
[1:52:59] a need for Engineering Services I also
[1:53:02] have arcgis license that we do as a
[1:53:04] share so all the Departments contribute
[1:53:06] to arcgis which is our JS program then
[1:53:09] we have AutoCAD civil 3D we have one
[1:53:12] license for that it's necessary just to
[1:53:14] be able to view uh and create files we
[1:53:17] also have a trimble program and we pay
[1:53:20] uh the cdtc uh uh a fee right now
[1:53:24] because they're helping us with some
[1:53:26] Road software to do a better evaluation
[1:53:28] of our work
[1:53:30] so we've got to see what went out it the
[1:53:33] use of it can go up and down depending
[1:53:35] on what we have or whatnot
[1:53:38] but I heard
[1:53:42] yeah the architecture of those ai's
[1:53:44] documentation every everything I have is
[1:53:46] through an AIA are you paying the fees
[1:53:49] to use that to use the program no um
[1:53:52] that's why we have an attorney
[1:53:55] okay so uh I'll try to clarify yeah the
[1:53:59] city does not have to my knowledge we do
[1:54:01] not have a license for AIA documents and
[1:54:04] because of that when I made my term
[1:54:06] agreements we hired an attorney who does
[1:54:09] have AIA permission to create the
[1:54:11] documents now if we're dealing with a
[1:54:13] contractor yes they Supply them and they
[1:54:17] have the AIA and we review them
[1:54:20] so I'm not I don't have an AIA contract
[1:54:22] because that would be that'd be another
[1:54:24] feat yeah I have another fee so I didn't
[1:54:26] hear you mentioned that but I know
[1:54:27] that's something that we yeah so Ron was
[1:54:29] talking about new reviews AI news is
[1:54:31] he's reviewing third party contractors
[1:54:33] who submit it in paper form and then he
[1:54:35] goes so our contract are coming through
[1:54:37] the attorney's office I have my own
[1:54:40] Attorney office okay that's how
[1:54:42] independent I am is I yeah
[1:54:45] all right any other questions for Chris
[1:54:49] saying that first thank you thank you
[1:54:52] for all of what you're doing in your
[1:54:54] office
[1:55:08] thanks guys thank you thank you
[1:55:16] yes
[1:55:26] [Music]
[1:55:39] we did the facilities portion already
[1:55:41] yeah we did we just have to do parties
[1:55:48] I put these down uh just just to let
[1:55:51] people know what you know what we plan
[1:55:53] to do these capital projects even though
[1:55:55] we're playing through our I thought you
[1:55:57] know just
[1:55:58] even in the future so you can go back
[1:56:00] and look to see
[1:56:01] you know what what uh what we plan to
[1:56:03] have projects get done so
[1:56:06] yeah uh I mean this year
[1:56:09] um engineering side capital is really
[1:56:11] fun to focus around Harper
[1:56:14] one of the things I guess I'll tell you
[1:56:15] about this little back of house is that
[1:56:18] previously you used to see things if you
[1:56:21] were here seven eight years ago I would
[1:56:24] request bonding money for projects like
[1:56:26] Erie Boulevard or Paving Project
[1:56:29] Specific federal aid projects and we
[1:56:32] will put that in here but because of the
[1:56:35] larger allocation of chips funding yeah
[1:56:38] we have some of the money to cover our
[1:56:40] shares with ships pretty adequately so
[1:56:42] instead of bonding additional money and
[1:56:44] reducing our bonding capacity Anthony
[1:56:46] and I talked about we're going to use
[1:56:48] the chips money that the state gives us
[1:56:50] because it is 100 eligible to be used
[1:56:52] and it's literally just you take this
[1:56:54] money we put it over here and it helps
[1:56:56] us and it's a lot easier you don't have
[1:56:57] to go through can you go to buy this
[1:56:59] money right we're not borrowing money so
[1:57:01] not I mean I can go through these
[1:57:03] projects but these are all the arpa
[1:57:04] funded projects
[1:57:06] um a diamond lighting General site
[1:57:08] improvements for Central Park the the
[1:57:10] pool in the bath house tennis courts
[1:57:12] Hillhurst Park uh over Fairview I wanted
[1:57:16] to make that happen uh the cool
[1:57:17] Riverside courts and Jerry Burrell Park
[1:57:20] improvements so those are all a lot of
[1:57:23] them are actually started in the design
[1:57:25] already because we kind of had a head
[1:57:27] start running when we made the
[1:57:28] applications
[1:57:30] um so I'm pretty comfortable with all
[1:57:32] those and then the street Improvement
[1:57:34] program 1.5 that is used to supplement
[1:57:38] our Paving program and things that are
[1:57:40] not chips eligible so 95 of the things
[1:57:43] that we do are chips eligible and five
[1:57:45] percent aren't and we try to make sure
[1:57:48] that we always have some money to do
[1:57:50] that five percent so for example if
[1:57:52] there is a road or park that needs to be
[1:57:55] paid if there's some Paving around the
[1:57:57] golf course or a parking lot or
[1:57:59] something that we own that's not
[1:58:00] necessarily a state recognized road we
[1:58:03] need to make sure that we have funding
[1:58:04] to be able improve his payment so we
[1:58:07] always make sure we have Improvement
[1:58:10] money in our coffers and that's what we
[1:58:14] do that okay any questions go ahead
[1:58:16] please so if we were to try to add the
[1:58:19] skateboard park in
[1:58:21] um so I I want to ask because I know I
[1:58:25] saw the bid
[1:58:27] um was 1 million plus the 250 000 for
[1:58:30] the um this uh the lights in the street
[1:58:35] um if we go to 890.
[1:58:37] but if we were to try to stay at
[1:58:39] Riverside and I know this is a whole
[1:58:41] long thing but
[1:58:43] do you think we could do something at
[1:58:45] Riverside for the 250 and not do those
[1:58:47] courts or
[1:58:49] um one of the things that I submitted
[1:58:50] which I don't think you got a chance to
[1:58:52] see was the 1.25 million for the park
[1:58:55] uh underneath 8.90.
[1:58:58] um so I just wanted to get your thoughts
[1:59:01] on that yeah
[1:59:02] um I think if we're going to do a skate
[1:59:04] park you should definitely allocate
[1:59:07] separate money for a skate park and I
[1:59:09] would think in excess of 500 000 all day
[1:59:12] just going off of it's very similar to
[1:59:15] the issue that we ran into the golf
[1:59:16] course in 2008 I know you guys Wonder so
[1:59:20] what happened with golf courses we get
[1:59:23] caught in this and it's not even a catch
[1:59:25] 22 is what it is your Aqua shoot right
[1:59:27] is that Golf Course contractors they
[1:59:29] travel the nation and they build
[1:59:31] beautiful golf courses and they have and
[1:59:33] if they're built into Pinehurst which is
[1:59:35] a private club right and they got it
[1:59:37] they go and this is what we're going to
[1:59:38] do when they do it you come to New York
[1:59:40] and and very similar to what Mike was
[1:59:42] saying from Happy electric right now
[1:59:44] we're bonds prevailing wage do you have
[1:59:47] a certified payroll do you have
[1:59:49] apprenticeship program what do you mean
[1:59:50] and all of a sudden they're like we're
[1:59:51] just a contractor out of North Carolina
[1:59:53] we are talking about and our costs go
[1:59:56] through the roof so similarly with these
[1:59:59] skateboarder Parts you know they were
[2:00:01] showing me private parts and parks and
[2:00:03] other states and he says all the New
[2:00:05] York cost is 95 a square foot
[2:00:08] and the skateboarders are using four
[2:00:10] tennis courts if we wanted to replace it
[2:00:12] I'm not saying this is what you're doing
[2:00:13] right but if we wanted to replace
[2:00:16] an exact four tennis courts with all the
[2:00:18] amenities and all that 95 it's 1.8
[2:00:22] million dollars
[2:00:24] and so what we're looking at is these
[2:00:27] guys
[2:00:28] if we just we just took the whole
[2:00:29] Riverside complex out and put an equal
[2:00:31] sized concrete with the ramps and all
[2:00:34] that yep you're over you're over 1.5
[2:00:36] million all day with that because of the
[2:00:38] size of it and so what what we're saying
[2:00:41] is these guys have been really nice to
[2:00:42] work with and they're not looking for
[2:00:44] pools and crazy Rams right so I think
[2:00:47] that we'll be able to get more they just
[2:00:49] want space to maybe want to set up some
[2:00:51] things but at the end of the day my
[2:00:53] opinion is is that we can't let them
[2:00:55] build things there this is the city park
[2:00:57] we can't make this DIY right you know it
[2:01:00] has to be designed and built and don't
[2:01:02] touch it and if they do touch it you get
[2:01:04] your wrists laughed about it don't touch
[2:01:06] it again you know because it's ours it's
[2:01:09] going to be ours we wouldn't allow
[2:01:10] someone to build their own swing set or
[2:01:11] slide right you wouldn't be able to do
[2:01:13] that in a city park so what now what I'm
[2:01:16] getting that long story with this is
[2:01:18] that with this one the street
[2:01:19] Improvement month the things that aren't
[2:01:22] included so if you put a skatepark right
[2:01:25] in the middle apartment a big concrete
[2:01:28] block right you go okay well now how do
[2:01:29] you get to it how do you light it where
[2:01:31] do you park
[2:01:33] I'm 99 sure we could use our bonded
[2:01:36] money to get you there to park there to
[2:01:39] light it because that is all Improvement
[2:01:41] it's asphalt that City owned that sort
[2:01:44] but
[2:01:45] that's how I was saying is that if as
[2:01:47] long as we can get the perimeter and the
[2:01:49] skate park done with money allocated for
[2:01:52] the skate park I would use this bonded
[2:01:56] type money because you can't use chips
[2:01:57] you can't maybe you would use cdpg but I
[2:02:00] don't know if you want to and and put
[2:02:02] that around there so that's why it was
[2:02:04] under 890 I would do all that work to
[2:02:07] get to the park and then build the park
[2:02:09] with the Harpo or the pond mm-hmm okay
[2:02:12] is that Anthony is that what you
[2:02:13] wouldn't see it right yeah that's what
[2:02:15] we've talked about
[2:02:18] but it's gonna
[2:02:19] everything's expensive I mean Paul tried
[2:02:21] to get a quote on replacing a concrete
[2:02:22] staircase and it was over half a million
[2:02:24] dollars that was the staircase you know
[2:02:27] this is a pretty elaborate thing and I
[2:02:29] know that we wanted to be representative
[2:02:30] of where we are as a city at this point
[2:02:32] so we want it to be nice and these guys
[2:02:34] are great
[2:02:35] we seem to have a following but the
[2:02:38] number one problem we have at the city
[2:02:40] it's the number one product is we
[2:02:42] shoestring budgets and then we don't
[2:02:44] know how to get it done
[2:02:46] you know we said well is it a one
[2:02:48] million dollar project how can you do
[2:02:50] one million and then it's a 1.5 million
[2:02:51] dollar project and we're scrambling
[2:02:52] we're having that issue with Jerry
[2:02:54] Barrel Park you know where our
[2:02:56] you want to get Jerry rail Park done you
[2:02:58] know when the bids come in high and now
[2:02:59] we're trying to figure out how do we get
[2:03:01] it done it's it's
[2:03:03] very complicated thing to do is try to
[2:03:05] get all these projects done we're
[2:03:07] fortunate that the street projects
[2:03:08] usually don't know but
[2:03:10] not every project is a Road apartment so
[2:03:12] Chris is going to be talking about this
[2:03:14] uh I already had any composition uh what
[2:03:17] kind of composition to run this in terms
[2:03:18] of liability
[2:03:24] I mean
[2:03:27] from my perspective because I want to
[2:03:29] say I'm a little bit of a realist with
[2:03:30] it is that
[2:03:31] a lot of City that's in a lot of
[2:03:33] skateboards so there has to be something
[2:03:35] with it but I do know that I spoke with
[2:03:37] the mayor and I don't want to speak for
[2:03:38] him but I think Anthony you might be
[2:03:40] talking about this he did mention
[2:03:41] something to me about when our insurance
[2:03:44] does get reviewed the skate park
[2:03:46] editions would get factored in like
[2:03:49] there is a possibility that our
[2:03:52] insurance carrier will say okay now you
[2:03:54] have a skate park and we go up yeah that
[2:03:58] he did mention that to me but I'm
[2:04:00] getting but I've been to Lake George
[2:04:02] Saratoga Albany has two Troys looking to
[2:04:05] build one so I don't think that we can
[2:04:07] sit and say whoa liability because
[2:04:09] people go in New York City that's 30.
[2:04:11] yeah no I'm not saying that we don't
[2:04:14] build it we build it but we need to
[2:04:15] address the liability you know what I'm
[2:04:16] about to take responsibility for the
[2:04:18] liability it's of the organization and
[2:04:20] so the people who are using it or is the
[2:04:22] city
[2:04:32] I think that's what I believe that's
[2:04:34] what Andrew is you know is is
[2:04:42] but those are yeah that's so not a ton
[2:04:45] of
[2:04:46] Apple but a lot of projects so we'll see you know once again all these
[2:04:51] projects can take so long to design that
[2:04:52] next year
[2:04:53] more Public Works
[2:04:55] speak but right now it's a little bit of
[2:04:59] a wall because now we're hitting this
[2:05:00] big design ramp again
[2:05:04] let's not add more to you if I am sure
[2:05:07] we're going to have what two or three
[2:05:10] more parts added to this
[2:05:11] studying as well Park um
[2:05:19] Woodland Park added to what you're
[2:05:23] seeing here right now
[2:05:44] you know is tough for me to talk about
[2:05:49] just me but I have to be my own agent I
[2:05:52] would be dismissed to say that this
[2:05:54] conversation should be had with a lot of
[2:05:56] people
[2:05:57] um you know there's a lot of people that
[2:05:59] do a lot of good work I know Christian
[2:06:00] mentioned Maurice you know he's doing a
[2:06:02] really good job I know we have a lot of
[2:06:04] good staff here and it's tough uh you
[2:06:06] know we don't have a garden movement or
[2:06:08] anything as managers you know John and I
[2:06:10] and Anthony so you know what I have
[2:06:12] always tried to do is my job to the best
[2:06:15] I can so that you guys go you know what
[2:06:18] Chris gets it done you know and that's
[2:06:21] how well we're doing it you know that's
[2:06:22] what it is but I would be risk to say
[2:06:24] that there's a lot of people that
[2:06:25] probably could
[2:06:27] deserve a bump too and I'm not I can't
[2:06:29] speak for him but it's out there and if
[2:06:31] I had people under me all my people
[2:06:32] reunion and then Joe was retiring so I
[2:06:35] don't have any of that situation but I
[2:06:36] don't think I think people sometimes get
[2:06:38] intimidated I've been here long enough
[2:06:40] for us
[2:06:41] yeah price enough yeah so I just wanted
[2:06:44] just to say that when you're looking at
[2:06:45] things trustful
[2:06:47] all right thanks guys thank you
[2:06:52] yeah
[2:06:55] don't you ready
[2:06:58] 11. Administration
[2:07:00] [Music]
[2:07:22] did John approve this
[2:07:26] I'm not aware that's why I mentioned it
[2:07:28] doesn't document
[2:07:32] it's a good thing you are moving them in
[2:07:35] a good direction
[2:07:37] right they give people an indication on
[2:07:40] what's going on
[2:07:43] [Music]
[2:07:45] okay yeah a lot of grip
[2:07:48] but that's good we all love pictures
[2:07:50] right
[2:07:51] and I'm not going to talk as much as
[2:07:54] Chris
[2:07:58] Anthony can you just give us a snapshot
[2:08:01] of utility Administration and then we'll
[2:08:03] have John kind of walk us through what
[2:08:07] is going on there
[2:08:08] [Music]
[2:08:11] not only does he have the utilities
[2:08:13] Administration he's also assigned
[2:08:15] maintenance uh traffic utilities and
[2:08:19] phones and I.T and
[2:08:22] what am I missing Johnny
[2:08:25] yes go ahead
[2:08:27] that's it you're talking about increase
[2:08:30] you're talking about things come on
[2:08:34] hey Toby utilities uh Administration
[2:08:37] that increases by 7.77 by 15 000 uh
[2:08:43] total communication Central
[2:08:45] Communications was up 30 000.
[2:08:52] [Music]
[2:08:58] and then again I said the sign language
[2:09:01] total sign uh utility sign maintenance
[2:09:04] is up to Audi 19
[2:09:06] 144 hours and uh your traffic is up
[2:09:09] seventy thousand four twelve utilities
[2:09:11] for that
[2:09:12] and then Street lighting is uh up
[2:09:15] I'll explain that to you too a million
[2:09:17] two
[2:09:19] I wanted to do that so that you don't
[2:09:21] have to be in currency
[2:09:24] all right so we'll do um utilities
[2:09:26] Administration page 11.
[2:09:29] uh
[2:09:38] there is a salary bump for one of the
[2:09:41] employees on the 100 line
[2:09:45] um going down I don't think there's can
[2:09:48] you can you explain the reason for the
[2:09:50] pump I can so
[2:09:52] um
[2:09:53] yeah the principal billing account for
[2:09:56] the VP Club has been here for a number
[2:09:59] of years
[2:10:00] has over uh time increased a lot of the
[2:10:04] duties that she's been doing she's
[2:10:08] this person is uh trains everyone on all
[2:10:12] of the software that we use our unit
[2:10:14] software our Unicity software she
[2:10:17] creates all the
[2:10:19] reports for us she uh does all of the
[2:10:22] role-based access control to make sure
[2:10:25] that we have a proper security
[2:10:28] [Music]
[2:10:29] which works well outside of her original
[2:10:33] duties and it has over the last several
[2:10:38] years actually been what I'll call 9 to
[2:10:40] system if there was an assistant
[2:10:43] superintendent job
[2:10:45] um this person would have
[2:10:48] so I mean I've seen that um you take
[2:10:50] that into consideration as a
[2:10:54] over even anything that you would give
[2:10:56] me because I believe that she
[2:10:58] wholeheartedly deserves it for the work
[2:11:00] that she's done I just want to add we're
[2:11:03] about to go into a major uh upgrade in
[2:11:05] our newness uh Citywide system where
[2:11:09] she's going to be the leader of the as
[2:11:11] she's been in the past a software
[2:11:14] upgrades are uh
[2:11:17] horrific as you will and uh we need
[2:11:20] somebody at that home that can make that
[2:11:24] as a minimal of an issue as possible
[2:11:29] I believe that's the only major uh
[2:11:32] change you can look at this great
[2:11:34] question on this how is this link to it
[2:11:38] supporting you with Hardware software
[2:11:40] you know otherwise just testing tea yes
[2:11:44] because no no I'm not saying well how
[2:11:45] does this link to it in terms of
[2:11:48] supporting this individual
[2:11:50] Society supporting this individual so
[2:11:53] again it's been evolution of how we use
[2:11:59] cross-training employees and get them to
[2:12:01] work outside of their limited
[2:12:04] responsibilities so you can look at that
[2:12:07] I.T staff and say that I'm actually one
[2:12:10] of them as well as this other employees
[2:12:13] so we just have many more duties
[2:12:16] including you know up and above that but
[2:12:18] we're supplementing the I.T Department
[2:12:21] she does a lot of software
[2:12:23] specifications
[2:12:24] the reason why I asked the question
[2:12:25] because a title
[2:12:39] and that person as well as I as well as
[2:12:43] several people in the city you know
[2:12:45] learn from the um bottom up and um have that in you
[2:12:51] know Chris mentioned I don't want to
[2:12:53] talk too much about this but
[2:12:55] institutional knowledge
[2:12:57] um that's where we exist right we have
[2:13:00] so much of that institutional knowledge
[2:13:02] that it's so much easier for us to sit
[2:13:05] there and do some sort of upgrade or
[2:13:07] change we know all the Departments we
[2:13:09] know how the Departments function and um
[2:13:11] to have us there to be able to do those
[2:13:13] upgrades uh are so much easier than
[2:13:16] anyone else could so actually I I would
[2:13:19] like to speak about that um because I
[2:13:21] have a concern about that so I don't
[2:13:23] know how this person is I don't know how
[2:13:25] old you are but eventually people are
[2:13:27] going retire and so I see you too is the
[2:13:29] only admin staff so I was interested in
[2:13:31] knowing what is does it look like in
[2:13:33] terms of succession planning you talk
[2:13:35] about all the things that she does even
[2:13:37] more and more and the same with you yeah
[2:13:39] so what does that look like in terms of
[2:13:40] more adding more staff or considering
[2:13:42] adding more staff so that people can now
[2:13:45] learn the next five or six years however
[2:13:47] long it's going to mentioned that before
[2:13:49] and I appreciate your kids
[2:13:52] [Music]
[2:13:55] gym we have started to look at that and
[2:13:58] one of the positions when we get to the
[2:14:00] I.T position is that we have added
[2:14:03] another PC support specialist that will
[2:14:07] be able to supplement some of the
[2:14:09] existing duties that our local area
[2:14:12] network administrator is doing right now
[2:14:16] as well as supplements some of the
[2:14:19] police department needs
[2:14:21] by being able to have that in third
[2:14:24] person uh assisting in that department
[2:14:27] then some of the things that I'm doing
[2:14:30] and this other person in my
[2:14:32] Administration doing we can start to
[2:14:35] slop off some of that duties to uh
[2:14:39] um you know reduce those types of issues
[2:14:43] you know basically you're training too
[2:14:44] at the same time right right you know
[2:14:46] quite frankly
[2:14:47] um I believe when I leave there'll be
[2:14:51] multiple people that'll probably be
[2:14:55] my duties will probably be split into a
[2:14:58] different number of people and I'm
[2:15:00] saying that because I have such a very
[2:15:03] uh repertoire of things that I do and I
[2:15:08] don't see you finding someone that's
[2:15:10] going to do all of them well so I think
[2:15:13] you know we'll probably start splitting
[2:15:14] them apart maybe something about here
[2:15:16] something they'll go there a great many
[2:15:18] of those duties will go to the it
[2:15:22] um local area network administrator I
[2:15:26] believe so we're trying to position him
[2:15:29] to have more time available to do a lot
[2:15:32] of the things that I'm doing so we are
[2:15:34] kind of working on that now yeah okay
[2:15:36] you're right I do ask and I asked for
[2:15:38] all the time the concern is still there
[2:15:41] I force them to put an extra ID
[2:15:45] okay and that's this new position
[2:15:47] [Music]
[2:15:48] um
[2:15:48] help desk support specialist I.T it says
[2:15:52] need enough it says it's starting a
[2:15:54] succession planning yeah for Lisa and
[2:15:57] John yes it does Dodge I forced it up
[2:16:00] um
[2:16:02] any other questions on this section
[2:16:05] utilities Administration
[2:16:10] um
[2:16:11] [Music]
[2:16:18] page 14. right to the bottom
[2:16:28] I'm sure we have a oh that yeah so 30
[2:16:31] 000 uh increase from the previous year
[2:16:33] but every two is every two years Josh
[2:16:37] every two years there's uh every other
[2:16:40] year we have to pay an additional what's
[2:16:42] that called that it's done maintenance
[2:16:44] for the whole new system by appointment
[2:16:46] for two years
[2:16:56] okay because I had a question there too
[2:16:58] because I know maybe we bought some
[2:16:59] equipment a couple years ago well I
[2:17:01] think our phone system is right now I
[2:17:04] think it's like 15 years old but it did
[2:17:06] have been up by a couple years ago
[2:17:08] reporting equipment no it's been a while
[2:17:13] [Music]
[2:17:25] that's the only item in that one
[2:17:32] the next page is uh 15 Central data
[2:17:37] processing I will show a lot of
[2:17:38] processing
[2:17:41] okay so in the central data processing
[2:17:44] um this is our I.T
[2:17:46] um or three people we have currently
[2:17:48] three people in there uh we had the land
[2:17:51] administrator and two help desk so we're
[2:17:54] requesting a third as well
[2:17:57] um
[2:17:57] let's see
[2:18:00] fees for service that's one of our our
[2:18:03] biggest codes it's 350 000 up from three
[2:18:06] hundred and twenty thousand
[2:18:08] um those are for our communist costs our
[2:18:11] immunosity costs are Office 365 which
[2:18:15] has been two years now I mean that's
[2:18:17] certainly a large expense we can go
[2:18:20] through uh if you want it's maintenance
[2:18:23] for all of our
[2:18:26] great deal of our city Network equipment
[2:18:31] um
[2:18:34] [Music]
[2:18:35] so the Tyler Technologies alone uh were
[2:18:38] estimating at uh roughly two hundred
[2:18:41] thousand dollars for uh for next year so
[2:18:43] that's a really large amount so if you
[2:18:45] pull that out
[2:18:46] um it's really uh not too many not too
[2:18:50] much larger things are virus protection
[2:18:53] uh this comes out of that one
[2:18:57] um other than the fees for service yeah
[2:18:59] okay our uh you guys have seen the know
[2:19:03] before training for the fishing training
[2:19:07] I've seen them many times
[2:19:11] something which honestly I think is
[2:19:12] really cool so we can ask me out of our
[2:19:15] budget and it keeps educating our
[2:19:18] employees because you know we we've been
[2:19:21] so lucky that we have not been uh
[2:19:24] touched and you know I'll never say that
[2:19:27] we can't be touched because we can but
[2:19:29] we're taking every kind of Step as we as
[2:19:32] much as possible to reduce the potential
[2:19:35] that that happens and by training our
[2:19:37] employees on what to click and what not
[2:19:39] to click um is certainly a big piece of
[2:19:41] it
[2:19:43] questions
[2:19:53] Mr Clean showed that Wayne administrator
[2:19:56] is that the secession planning you're
[2:19:58] referencing earlier
[2:19:59] welcome
[2:20:01] training nor is it a different I'm sorry
[2:20:04] the land administrators yeah so the land
[2:20:07] administrator is the position I
[2:20:09] mentioned before that by adding that
[2:20:12] additional help desk person it will free
[2:20:15] up that administrator to learn some more
[2:20:18] of my dream again thank you
[2:20:23] questions
[2:20:27] [Music]
[2:20:28] one more
[2:20:31] a couple more page 21.
[2:20:36] utilities
[2:20:41] so
[2:20:42] [Music]
[2:20:43] um
[2:20:43] those of you that aren't aware of what
[2:20:46] we do so the sign maintenance we
[2:20:48] maintain all of the signage of
[2:20:51] traffic signage uh all the temporary
[2:20:54] postings we do we take the streets uh
[2:20:58] we're doing a lot of painting of Street
[2:21:02] lighting and things trying to Spruce
[2:21:03] them up we've certainly done a lot of
[2:21:05] that over the last couple of years so
[2:21:09] those salaries come out of the
[2:21:11] assignment in Phoenix the 3310
[2:21:14] there are a couple of uh large upgrade
[2:21:18] requests the 3310 450 in particular uh
[2:21:22] we're going I'm asking to go from 35 000
[2:21:25] up to 60 000.
[2:21:27] um
[2:21:28] just want to make sure that's the one I
[2:21:30] want to talk about getting a moment
[2:21:35] tell spark yeah I just want to make you
[2:21:38] see where I pulled certain things from
[2:21:40] so so I have two larger codes so
[2:21:43] um obviously our costs had uh
[2:21:45] skyrocketed in the last couple of years
[2:21:47] because of metal costs
[2:21:50] um so those
[2:21:52] um include our sign blanks are
[2:22:09] yeah so there's two of them right so the
[2:22:11] 451 is where
[2:22:14] um I'm looking to get additional LED
[2:22:16] stop signs um
[2:22:21] provide some dollars for that uh as well
[2:22:26] as a good portion of the potential speed
[2:22:30] limit signs that we're looking to do
[2:22:33] so we're positioning ourselves for that
[2:22:35] right okay
[2:22:37] well I don't ask for a lot of upgrade
[2:22:39] through the up price increase cost
[2:22:42] increases but um there is a limit and we
[2:22:45] have to start uh budgeting
[2:22:48] um properly based on
[2:22:50] um the cost of items that we're getting
[2:22:53] today
[2:22:54] so that's why those two codes are going
[2:22:57] up 33 10 450 and 451. once come one's
[2:23:01] the speed limit signs are going to come
[2:23:03] out of and um the other one the
[2:23:05] additional LED stop signs as well as the
[2:23:09] cost increases
[2:23:14] questions
[2:23:17] um so is that going to be adequate
[2:23:20] um that is going to be adequate you
[2:23:21] think in terms of what we need we might
[2:23:23] need I always try to stay within my
[2:23:25] budget especially on those codes you'll
[2:23:27] never see me go over so we'll do what we
[2:23:30] have to uh yeah get it done okay and then my
[2:23:34] other question is um in terms of some of
[2:23:36] the traffic studies that we might have
[2:23:37] that we will have to do
[2:23:39] um is that um is there a cost to that or
[2:23:43] is it your time and that's so the
[2:23:46] traffic studies and we kind of had that
[2:23:48] discussion of one of the committee
[2:23:49] meetings and then it went South right so
[2:23:52] we do need to make some sort of
[2:23:56] decision on that the traffic studies
[2:24:01] to look at changing the speed limit
[2:24:05] um I did have a discussion with Chris
[2:24:07] about the potential that uh the cdtc
[2:24:10] um did have a a project that could
[2:24:14] potentially do some traffic studies
[2:24:17] um and we would look at that and see uh
[2:24:20] if the cost was zero or a smaller amount
[2:24:24] to do it through CTC as opposed to us
[2:24:27] hiring an engineering team so I think we
[2:24:30] just need some
[2:24:32] okay I thought that we actually had
[2:24:34] decided that we needed to go ahead with
[2:24:35] the traffic studies I don't think that
[2:24:38] anything was actually said that said go
[2:24:41] ahead
[2:24:43] okay
[2:24:46] no we didn't we did not we discussed it
[2:24:49] but we never fun
[2:24:52] I need to put it on the legislative make
[2:24:55] a legislative request
[2:24:57] I kind of because I think that was a
[2:24:59] discussion of leading towards uh yeah
[2:25:04] community meeting was okay it's now the
[2:25:07] next step
[2:25:35] but the material was from the old ones
[2:25:38] is there any value in that didn't get
[2:25:40] anything in return because yes we talked
[2:25:42] about that a little when that metal
[2:25:43] comes back I'm gonna take it we're going
[2:25:45] to clean it off and we're gonna put new
[2:25:47] faces on it okay
[2:25:49] can you quantify what these increases
[2:25:52] will mean in the number
[2:25:53] for each category
[2:25:55] um I mean I don't have those numbers
[2:25:58] with me I certainly uh did it based on
[2:26:02] the speed limit signs where you know we
[2:26:04] were talking about five thousand dollars
[2:26:06] at uh based on the number that we had
[2:26:09] and I added a little bit I think that's
[2:26:11] what the cost was uh for receiving this
[2:26:13] time
[2:26:15] um I think the
[2:26:16] um you know probably looking to get
[2:26:18] maybe another six or drop signs um they
[2:26:22] are very expensive so I don't think we
[2:26:24] want to go crazy we've been super lucky
[2:26:26] that none have been damaged you had to
[2:26:28] think that yeah we replaced uh a half a
[2:26:31] dozen signs every week
[2:26:33] it was at least
[2:26:36] stop signing that they've been very
[2:26:39] effective and totally I would say that
[2:26:42] yeah we certainly hear it from people
[2:26:43] that they reported on the sign
[2:26:45] maintenance supervisor is that a union
[2:26:47] position it is it is
[2:26:56] supervisor so really all three of them
[2:26:58] work uh one one supervisors over them
[2:27:02] um biggest change that we're looking at
[2:27:05] is uh they asked for uh 65 000 in a
[2:27:10] quick Place uh traffic controllers we
[2:27:14] have uh that'll give us about 15 traffic
[2:27:17] controllers that I'd like to change on
[2:27:20] Upper State Street
[2:27:22] um that are over 20 years old so that we
[2:27:24] can get them in our back in our
[2:27:26] coordinated system so that we can better
[2:27:30] monitor them and better overheat the
[2:27:33] signals up up there
[2:27:35] parties position all filled yes yeah but
[2:27:39] that third one took us a while ago we
[2:27:41] finally got it yeah last year
[2:27:46] took a while oh so the one that says
[2:27:49] Arbor is filled as well yeah yes
[2:27:53] that's awesome
[2:27:57] okay all right any questions on this no
[2:28:00] if not only want to uh equipment so um
[2:28:09] uh the other
[2:28:11] um change is the uh 425a which is the
[2:28:15] smart city
[2:28:16] um so again when you think of smart City
[2:28:18] there's a couple of different
[2:28:20] um things we're talking about right so
[2:28:22] this particular National pretty smart
[2:28:24] city if you remember going back to the
[2:28:26] committee meeting last week when we went
[2:28:28] machine and uh video analytics so um
[2:28:32] this is the second of three payments
[2:28:34] that we'd be making to National Grid uh
[2:28:37] for that equipment and that's why it's
[2:28:40] like in every other looks like in every
[2:28:41] other year kind of well the first
[2:28:44] payment was a hundred and two thousand
[2:28:46] the second payment was the uh was that
[2:28:48] 1.3 and then this one is a one point
[2:28:51] yeah and 21 was 1.3 yeah
[2:29:02] so you're talking about
[2:29:05] um currently working on the Zone A and B
[2:29:08] which is the north and south side of the
[2:29:10] state for the most part as well as the
[2:29:13] North End uh van brinken Avenue area
[2:29:17] um we uh if you recall we did receive a
[2:29:22] um
[2:29:29] that is helping us to do a great portion
[2:29:33] of
[2:29:34] um Hamilton Hill
[2:29:36] um the North End as well as
[2:29:41] around Seward place so uh I don't have
[2:29:44] the numbers I'm sorry I'm not wasn't
[2:29:46] prepared for that but I may come back
[2:29:48] and ask you for some more dollars so
[2:29:51] that we can at least get this core area
[2:29:53] uh complete but um
[2:29:56] we should have another uh 100 access
[2:30:00] points in the North End
[2:30:02] um late in the next uh I want to say two
[2:30:05] months
[2:30:07] so they're actively installing them out
[2:30:10] on the polls right now
[2:30:12] um when it's slow because we have to get
[2:30:14] National Grid to power them up and every
[2:30:16] place for the record every time we ask
[2:30:19] to put one of these up on the pole we
[2:30:22] have to go through a process with
[2:30:23] National Grid you have to send someone
[2:30:25] out there and measure and look at it and
[2:30:27] see if it's okay and then Verizon has to
[2:30:30] approve it it's a wicked long process
[2:30:33] but um we're getting through it and
[2:30:37] um we have about 300 access points in
[2:30:41] the pipeline and again the first hundred
[2:30:44] or so
[2:30:45] um and we should have relatively
[2:30:47] shortened and then those uh a little
[2:30:50] farther
[2:30:51] what are you
[2:30:52] um you know by the beginning of next
[2:30:55] year we do want to look at the potential
[2:30:57] to ask for some more funding so that we
[2:31:00] can continue the project because it's
[2:31:02] been so well received by our residents
[2:31:06] thank you and I can give you a better
[2:31:08] one if you you know you want me to come
[2:31:11] back
[2:31:11] um maybe next month let's get to the
[2:31:15] budget
[2:31:17] we paid it actually we paid it at 22. we
[2:31:21] charged it back yeah but that was we
[2:31:22] allocated about two million dollars over
[2:31:24] yeah there's two million yes yes
[2:31:29] foreign
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[2:32:02] foreign
[2:32:12] let me know if you have any other
[2:32:14] questions
[2:32:15] okay thank you all right thank you I
[2:32:17] think
[2:32:20] thank you
[2:32:22] all right
[2:32:35] thank you
[2:32:37] Department
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[2:32:47] here section forwards everything
[2:32:53] I don't see anything else Anthony is
[2:32:56] that correct hey do you have anything uh
[2:32:58] that we can touch on
[2:33:00] no no I just uh can I just ask a
[2:33:03] question about the process now yeah I
[2:33:06] asked him because there was a lot of
[2:33:07] requests there was a lot of different
[2:33:09] things and how do you put that together
[2:33:11] yeah the questions that we answer and we
[2:33:14] are print I'm printing out and getting
[2:33:16] copies to all the council members
[2:33:20] um is there anything if you go through
[2:33:22] your questions and the answer is not
[2:33:24] what you're looking for please let us
[2:33:25] know and we can reach out back to the
[2:33:28] department head to clarify any
[2:33:30] unanswered question or need additional
[2:33:32] information
[2:33:33] and one of the questions then how about
[2:33:36] changes yes you I mean I think we should
[2:33:40] just look at the question and if you
[2:33:41] feel that satisfied just reach out to me
[2:33:44] and I can ask Anthony
[2:33:58] yeah and I have to comment them for
[2:34:00] doing that because it's not easy to get
[2:34:02] all the answers to these questions and
[2:34:05] it doesn't mean that you guys keep
[2:34:07] submitting your questions we'll get an
[2:34:09] answer
[2:34:11] um tomorrow we'll group I am requesting
[2:34:13] that we meet at six I have a little bit
[2:34:16] of setback tomorrow so if you guys can
[2:34:19] please um give me a break at six o'clock
[2:34:22] tomorrow instead of 5 30 I really
[2:34:23] appreciate it
[2:34:25] um I know that I am getting some changes
[2:34:27] already we're getting some proposed
[2:34:29] changes
[2:34:30] you guys do that now you're gonna yeah
[2:34:32] separately decide the changes well we
[2:34:35] need six o'clock tomorrow okay
[2:34:38] discuss those um those changes tomorrow
[2:34:40] at six o'clock but I encourage everybody
[2:34:42] please submit I know John I'm trying to
[2:34:45] Papa John's I came to you late no that's
[2:34:47] all right send them in tomorrow and
[2:34:49] we'll discuss them but copy Anthony at
[2:34:52] what time we are proposing the changes
[2:34:56] that we must discuss our final
[2:34:59] budget with him okay being at a table
[2:35:02] with us I asked
[2:35:04] um Mr Ferrari to send me a list which he
[2:35:07] now I think all of us have of all across
[2:35:10] all departments so we probably end up
[2:35:12] having to do that next week
[2:35:14] um but there are I mean you'll see the
[2:35:17] chart because it was I think in our
[2:35:18] mailboxes
[2:35:20] um when we arrived today yesterday from
[2:35:22] yesterday yeah yeah there was nothing
[2:35:24] this was in yesterday yeah
[2:35:27] oh because I I wrote him yeah as soon as
[2:35:30] I asked him he's so funny to you because
[2:35:31] I said oh you probably didn't get it get
[2:35:33] it but it was there yesterday
[2:35:35] I see Mr Williams
[2:35:37] um have already presented to us before
[2:35:39] we got this conversation yesterday
[2:35:42] so yeah if you need to have further
[2:35:44] rationale for any of the other positions
[2:35:46] that are on this
[2:35:48] um I think we'd have to call the staff
[2:35:50] the department heads back in
[2:35:53] um if not send us send us the question
[2:35:55] that you may have and we can ask the
[2:35:57] department what we did today right
[2:36:01] a you know asking the same questions as
[2:36:04] we asked Mr Gardner to describe I guess
[2:36:07] is what I'm asking then you see the list
[2:36:10] yeah
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[2:36:14] Mr Gardner was kind of different because
[2:36:16] he's asking for a new apartment versus
[2:36:18] oh somebody asked me for an Empire
[2:36:21] um