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it keeps getting bigger day by day I
know what is that
yeah we were just saying we wish we had
either got gotten a binder or you know
like
to get all of this into one binder that
gets given to us
yeah we got yeah I just put dates on
them to know which day I got what
smart I tried stapling some stuff
together but I lost track after the
first night no it's just been a growing
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questions I asked of what it would cost
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I think it went that way as well Maria
yeah which one which is this last one
you printed out okay let's go here was a
question I asked us a four percent
increase okay okay
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thank you
are you ready to start yeah
I would like to call the finance
committee to order and this evening we
will discuss
um
recommendation from Council Members
because of the mayor's proposed budget
and the changes
I just want to Echo that we had a fourth
four evening of hearing from the budget
I want to thank Anthony for the
department head and everybody who was so
diligent in providing the answers to the
many of questions from the members of
the council
and I appreciate that the answers are we
all were able to get answers and follow
up with questions to answer and that was
great I'll be able to do that and
recommendation or any changes from the
council
what we have in front of us here is the
documents that I
put together with all the proposed
changes from council members
and this evening I would like to suggest
that we go through these
and give the mayor the finance
department an opportunity to go over
this and come back to us
with the right side left side number of
how we balance this if we were to
proceed with all of this here so that we
can actually look at numbers and to see
are we good in this to proceed with all
the recommended change or should we just
change our mind and decide to you know
make amends on certain things so one of
the things before we go into this is
that I would like the council to
consider that we meet next week and the
reason why we wanted to meet next week
is to give the mayor and the financing
the opportunity to look at his document
look at the numbers that come back to us
and then we can able to make a good
judgment on how do we proceed so I
recommend that we do not to
pass anything tonight I'll just discuss
this and allow them the opportunity to
come back to us
in the next couple days or so with
numbers and then so before we go into
discussion I would like everyone to kind
of like how is your schedule next week
that week me and we have to do a couple
days out
and then we'll go into a discussion here
I know everyone was busy when we started
this
Tuesday
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um
I could meet uh like after 5 30.
Wednesday I could meet probably after
six o'clock
well yeah during the day I'm I'm
available
those cannot be Thursday
cannot be Friday
yes I have late afternoon meetings but
how was your next week I'm
um I'm in the afternoon yeah Wednesday
would be
Wednesday Thursday
be with us Wednesday or Thursday and it
would have to be after you know after
six both days
okay
Mr Williams I can read Tuesday Wednesday
Thursday at work
Wednesday
Thursday
Wednesday yes Tuesday Wednesday
um
Wednesday or Thursday Wednesday
so it looked like Wednesday I'm going to
make myself
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you have something every night
I mean if you do you do I know
if Jose is that um
so Tuesday is not available
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I I have a 4 30 meeting on Wednesday but
I would be here
um you know by quarter of six
can we do it for six to accommodate um
10 minutes after six
Wednesday six pm
yeah
no but if that's out I can rearrange oh
Wednesday
26th
that's good question would you be able
to I don't know during the pandemic and
universities
that um
don't make contact with them to have
that
yes
uh this big thing we'll have to call the
committee meeting and then we'll have to
call it a special city council meeting
on their very same thing
you could recess the money Monday
meeting and reconvene it
um
yes
you're passing it on Wednesday then are
you passing on Wednesday are you having
a committee meeting
it sounds like you want to check it out
so yeah I look forward to the boat and
get it out because it's you the next
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fall back to a lot of the finance coming
to anything and do both of his family
and get it out for them
because
we don't want to meet another day
we'd have to meet if we did we'd have to
meet um like on a Sunday or no Monday
the 31st so oh that's true actually but
yeah
I'm out of town
right exactly
and we will have two meetings committee
meeting and the city council meeting
all right
everyone has a document here so we can
show you how those candidates to read
um
open for discussion as we you know air
um I just want to put one item out and
support from music Haven concert series
I know we all receive an email from uh
asking for funding to help us
and I'll put some of the comment here I
get out of my indicators to speak about
today and we'll talk about the expense
that
is being incurred to carry this event
and we know
all of us don't want to be impact of
that concert series so let's connect to
the tourism you know priorities coming
in people Hotel restaurants and
everything like that and she is
requesting uh twenty thousand dollars in
that email
um I'm gonna make a push here I think
you should remember that because of the
impact and thousands of people that is
coming every weekend
so to witness what's going on in the
city here on music Haven so I'm leaving
that out there and I would like us to
talk about it and see where we can land
a reasonable figure to help yes I know
Miss Patrick is very involved in this so
I will go to you first I am so I I um I
am a volunteer with music Haven I want
to say that
um so I probably have to recuse myself I
guess but yes I would support the twenty
thousand dollars but
um basically we do get thousands of
people and they come from all over the
city and it's an incredibly diverse
audience of people
um the the scheduling of the concerts
hits a lot of different ethnicities in
terms of the types of music
that are brought so that it's very
diverse in terms of the types of music
it's very diverse in terms of the
offerings and then the Crowds Are
wonderfully diverse I mean it's really
incredible to be there and be a part of
this I think also another point to point
out is that it does go beyond the music
Haven concert series to the support that
Mona provides to Juneteenth the
Caribbean fest or any of the other
activities that have been
um usually there's somebody that might
be backstage that would also being paid
through Mona's budget and so she raises
when it says 150 I mean she raises over
150 000
um higher than that and brings in
world-class entertainment from all
around the world thankfully now that
Kobe's over
um so I would definitely so I just think
it's you know it's something that unites
all of us
um in the city so it does I
on the high end and they have been
reaching out to our organization to seek
donation so outside these expense so why
not us that is something that is secure
and dear to us
yeah and I I agree with all of what you
said so and and especially based on what
you said I think this is like an ideal
place to spend our for money because it
covers you know it checks all the bosses
and so she asked for 20 but so
if that's all she's asking for but uh do
we do we really want to I mean is she
asking for 20 only because that's all
she really needs I mean I'm not
oh I think
um
I would like to see this be part of the
operating budget
um because our was going to go away
I mean music I think this was the 37th
year
37 that this has been happening that's a lot of years yeah so we're in response to that where would
what line I don't know I mean
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without not getting into them I think um
yes that's absolutely right yeah okay
you're not a member of the music here
thank you
yeah
I work
anymore
so I so um I agreed everything else said
I you know we we've been going out there
about how important you know that event
series is and all the wonderful things
that it does for the city
um so I would be in support of that
um I would
maybe have a conversation with Mother
before you know you talk about uh
increasing the money I think if she's
asking for twenty thousand then we need
to meet twenty thousand minimum I
wouldn't be opposed to increasing money
at all you know because I think it's an
important thing but you know
if that's what she's asking for I think
that at least we could do it because we
compare
myself I did had a conversation with
Hershey I think if I can recall it was a
she asked me kind of tells him because
she was thinking that she don't want to
ask for too much
so I've been where are we going to get
the additional funding right we'll see
additional funding outside of the city
within the city limit and just as a
point of clarity so what I think when
you started what you're saying is that
so we're going to go through these and
then we're going to say hey this is what
we might be interested in and then
what's going to come back to us
but I mean yeah but we're going to do it
um we'll discuss it and then we'll hand
it over to the mayor and Anthony to come
back with the numbers whether it works
and then we can recruit Wednesday to see
is this workable it's not workable we
should drop it we should right okay we
should go forward that's right thank you
yeah so we're more more of you flushing
it out with discussing it
um
as well I'm in total agreement with the
20 000 in my working projects
the other thing for the council to
consider the music Haven is we do the
swimming pool
the lighting the daytime and parking lot
improvements to walk away
the other Investments we've made in
music Haven it really is a great
facility and so other people want to use
it want to come in and our fee structure
for actually renting it I think is
probably on the low side and so the
council should look at
good we want people to use if we want to
be there but at the same time there's
some expenses in terms of Staffing
maintenance items and to
look to
just review that fee structure to bring
in a little bit of money to offset some
of those costs and enable us to ensure
that the improvements that we make are
maintaining we staff them and uh
it's just an attractive and a good asset
for the community as a whole
uh
I'm confident that Mr golubs work within
the community as well noted and
appreciated her generosity is clearly
identified in everything that she she
touches and is not just Financial
contribution it's just her investing her
energy time and efforts so definitely
I'd be on board with supporting the
twenty thousand dollars
um
an agreement I think if
we are able to make an additional
um a gesture of Goodwill I support the
uh the mayor's comments of making sure
that we're
properly identifying all the ancillary
costs that come with having this
preoccupied more but definitely
putting an investment from the city
standpoint and to just an event that
continues to uplift and showcase our
many talents I think is something that
we can all get behind
hmm
I mean
I can't remember this one is until the
numbers come back from finance
department from the main and being able
to
arrive at it
so let's move through and if there is
any question that we need to answer I
will try to answer it on our part so
council member for help
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Council
is that something new
yes okay all right
so you're increasing that by 83 000.
and and what would that be I'm just sure
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city council okay and it will be a
council that would work
the city council or guidance and all
social help with the police review for
am I miss anything there
where do you work with our attorneys or
is it a separate or
is he uh like uh
Consulting
excuse me just I just I just popped up I
didn't see that before
so if he's gonna he or she is going to
work with a
they're going to work with the police
Community new board but in that defects
but then they would be like a consultant
right
beef service that then
so please review more
and the council and right
and so
just to be clear so we're putting this
in his face for service
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thank you
so go ahead please I'm not really sure
why we would need that position
it seems like a lot of money for
something that I don't know why the city
council would need this particular
person
because I mean when we do do stuff we
have a legal team
to be able to assist us I mean I often
call into
support
and it's pretty readily available to
answer questions
so I'm just asking oh well so I mean
this was I don't know it sounds like
so I I would say I didn't know that
Andrew
um
hey
wasn't part of the available like that
you know if
he's got like
if you have some time to support
um but I but I think when we were
talking about police Community blue
board
um that that was my um idea but I think
that having an attorney
um
I think that having
that extremely the same as you bring in
you know we bring it out by Council for
other things even though Andrew's here
you know what I mean I think that that
just the uh proximity to the city I
think that that'll be a good
that would be a good kind of a check and
balance of of the duties of that person
so after we're talking about
the police or View Board supporting them
I think that it would be
better
to kind of have that person operate on
in that very specific capacity I think
as plus as a very important position and
I think that I'd like to see someone in
that position of council would really
matter two not with too many other
things on their plate that they can
really focus on that because that seems
to do that something in that case when
I'm being supported to me I don't know
if anybody else is doing this is an area
that can use a lot of help
I have heard from some police review
board members that because I was
interested that no positions were
requested for the police review board
and I heard from
um
at least one person that they weren't
asking for any staff from the police
review board
um
so
I don't know I mean I think I I think if
there was a need for the police review
board to consult with an attorney
they probably would do that on a
Consulting basis you know if they needed
somebody that they could turn to rather
than hiring an 82 000 Plus benefits
person that maybe there's somebody of
council right that they could you know
on an hourly
way if they have need for
that and it's very great I mean I I
agree with that but I don't know that
you know you need to know somebody on it
full time I think Plus benefits I think
that that I don't know
the appropriate
with the structure that right
but I agree you're surprised initially
that they didn't ask for anything you
know I think that they've definitely
since the topics important
so I would say that I attended one of
their last meetings
and um actually there was a proposal
that was put forward and no maybe in the
meeting for less but anyway there was a
proposal and actually there was a
request in there for staff I don't know
if when and if that's going to get to
the council it was they were having a
discussion I was just listening so there
was a proposal that was brought to them
and then they discussed it and it did
include um step so so I was at that
meeting so I say I know you heard from
one person but there was a you know kind
of a conversation around that proposal I
don't know where it is at this stage or
when it will come to the council but I
know that there was discussion part of
it was um Staffing was going to be part of that
proposal uh when you were let me think
were there any attorney from the city no
there was no cities there that's one of
the one other thing I got I got um what
was happening for seven months now or
over a year or two years at that time we
used to get city attorneys and uh
well on the other side of the Stop and
there's no attorney as president
so that we already have to request it so
we can pass out
yeah so yes so we'll have to pass it on
for them because that's one of the
questions feel to me so my attorney yet
or not attending this video anymore
thank you I think technical
hiring a detergents both in the charter
and state law or did I appoint
Corporation Council or the Corporation
Council hires the assistant corporation
councils which is entitled to be so I
don't know if you can have one that
in the clerk's office or someplace else
it's got to be for it to be an attorney
to the city
even the pain in the outside
firms when there's area specialization
as you can uh the corporations
I mean I don't know how other people
feel but I just don't understand
you know
it is when you do have a need to I've
called you many times I think probably
we all have in terms of
you know
looking for that legal counsel around
things for that we might be talking
about at city council excuse me
um
he's been in when I first got on Council
in that in that sense as well so I don't
know if other how other people feel that
I just don't see the need for something
to the council for City Council
the part that part of it but I don't
know how other people feel
I can see the importance of the actually
and needing legal counseling
right then and there before they can
move forward with whatever they're
discussing so again I would say that I
would leave it up to you know the board
reaching out to Andrew letting you know
where the meetings are having Council
present
um and then we'll reach out again so
Corporation Council so it would be for
anything that we have that's my feeling
I think historically when we discuss in
terms of seeking and this is I'm
speaking historically in terms of the
law departments and Advising us as a
consulate
mention that a lot of the proportion
comes from
uh you know works for the man
so I just wanted to cut out okay
so when we when we get close words when
we came and the population comes with
words in a council at the same time in
the
fair in the Judgment or the opinion
about for both sides
well do you have an example where you
feel that the Corporation Council is not
adequately given advice or
representative the council or the city
well
I don't want to get into that but um
two years
in England I I just want to put that to
the table where it was mentioned so a
few times at five minutes so then
trying to hear what's being said right
now and so Corporation Council Vegas
publishing accounts will fit in the
organization
so they so appropriate Council
works for
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so that it does it's directly
um from there along with the director of
operations and the city council staff is
the City Club
that
the charge being revised to cooperation
Council
represent the mayor's
and the state Council
for the one hour of continuing directly
into
me as a box
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super and I think for
the uh
Community Police review board I think
that
the type of things that they are
dealing with I think that there is some
you know
that requires you know maybe some
specialized things so I agree that we
shouldn't necessarily bring somebody on
um to
um working full-time but I think that to
make sure that they have the budget so
that if they needed to seek that
consultation they could they could use
it
that's what be my position
how does the I guess I would have
thought that the commissioner
is sort of in that role so that if the
police review board had some sort of
question
I don't know but
because
I can commissioner form of discipline
into City in London establishment of it
who's a much more effective way
of
creating uh
property functioning department when
things go along imposing discipline
it's you know it's wise department now
is one of the higher performing
departments
opposed to its history in the past
and I think the board has had any
complaints
in terms of uh
referrals that have gone to the board
that haven't been followed up in a
manner that people feel adequate
in terms of the time and attention
that's given to it might not always be a
hundred percent an agreement with what
the final decision is but the process
validates whatever action is taken
go ahead please so it says the Public
Safety Committee chair and also having
sat on the police civilian police review
board I've definitely referring back to
the bylaws the city code it does clearly
designate that there needs to be
um
powers or funding to support having a
separate agency to ravine
um whether that's used or not to the
marriage Point as I think
unfortunately if it's in the bylaws then
we need to need to support that
statement or remove it
but if we're then entertaining
Sentiments of
having a Corporation Council that for
lack of better words may have a dual
relationships that they're attending to
I think there could be some credibility
with having a separate agency I think if
the discussion then is how much time do
we need that individual I think that's
where we kind of look at this 82 000 or
is it too high or too low but I would
definitely be in favor of supporting
having this position here and that it
would be Dual Purpose then supporting
the council and then also supporting the
civilian police review board
go ahead please please so
I won't say Andrew the corporations
if he's there or not uh when we go to
him
or her
it is under confidence it's basically
client confidentiality
um so that person is supposed to be
representing us
that way
if that person isn't then
that's when we need to make a change
do the best of my knowledge the current
Corporation Council hasn't done that
um as far as the civilian police review
board goes there is money available
within the fees for services within the
Corporation Council should the cprb need
representation that's separate from the
Corporation Council to hire so I think
there's money already there within fees
for services so all they need to do is
request it so yeah just something just
left across me last night he was from
the engineering department
they are engaging alongside attorney to
help with contracts and documentation
and things like that and not utilizing
our attorneys
they're yeah that was mentioned a
engineering firm where the employee
happens to be an attorney
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um
because I asked a question about AIA
documentation yeah and that is coming
from the attorney reviewing outside
attorney reviewing that
but it's Tom Wilson's for
who does work for the city does work for
Metroplex his wife happens to be an
attorney no that does Flash across me
because if he was mentioning that he's
using an attorney or what is the
difference between
and that was the differentiation because
they were stamping the papers and we
don't got at least English we don't have
one of those
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uh
but I'm not particularly throughout
engineering's got it separate
he did in his presentation
say he had his own attorney
he has a auditory because it asks who is
reviewing his documentation who is given
the go ahead on a legal
friend you know setting and over here I
actually looked on the chart that he
gave us though and there was no attorney
listed yeah he got a list of the um the
outside Consultants that he uses and he
did not list an attorney I was I was
kind of flipping into that when he said
it
the good thing is if there is money
that's already available
for them if they need to seek outside
counsel then
I would be anything uh in favor of
making sure that you know
why not
from
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whatever line that the money is there
now that we can make sure that they have
uh they're online
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more money because we'd be budgeting for
them to do that and you know from what
you know I've heard and other test
members are first like there might be an
Indian so
experience the the law department has uh
a hundred thousand dollars for outside
Legal Services
okay
I'll say it comes up for uh when we add
negotiations
we've met a few of them when it comes to
like legal yeah
right when it comes to those Court those
get paid by our insurance companies
but we also have stuff to do like
negotiable please uh our investigations
at cases where police officers are
involved in an incident and
officers are
end up in a conflicted position
bring in a council representative
one of the parties so their independent
Council
could you have a conflict where the
mayor of the council don't agree that'd
be very difficult but it didn't come out
of life
again
would bring in outside counsel to give
advice or you know really where it
becomes more probably is in a if you're
in a formal
litigation where you're actually in
court and somebody is uh
proceeding at a formal action
so we're saying to just go ahead and use
it out of the feature Services that's
currently existing in the Law Department
definitely like quickly or if you think
that's under funded solidify that
modified in a manner to
I
yeah I would think I would think that we
would um
couldn't do welcome to
make it clear
um for the people who are serving on the
board that that is an option that's
available to them and I think that you
know they wouldn't I don't think we do
anything by designating on a certain
amount of money
um to budget for them in order to do
that I think that
saying that you know it's there is one
thing
um but um designating a certain amount
of money into them for that purpose if
they choose to use it they do it if they
don't you know even better I guess
um but I think that there is something
to be said about designating that money
to them
so we started to see me you could
increase
um
it's the space of line
um but still it needs to be a
designation I would say specificity
is
using that person
questions
I saw some notes here I'm gonna find so
any other ideas to address
I'm going to be clear on are we talking
about increasing this on our wine
you want to separate lines for outside counseling
under law that's specific to cprb
well we can do an A so foreign
so
foreign
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but Andrew's going to be the one
unless I misunderstood the man hiring
the outside Council
so it should just stay within the fees
for service for
legal department
I think I understand what you're saying
um I just think that there's something
there
um
this board in the spirit of Bush's board
was created in
something very serious there was a
commitments that were made to the public
and I think that we ought to demonstrate
our commitment by significantly uh we do
that in making it significant and saying
that there's a designated budget I mean
what was their current uh budget right
now five thousand five thousand dollars
you know what I mean and that could
that's for reasons traveling training
and
I think that we need to really
demonstrate our commitment to what this
world was what was put together to
represent by making sure that they have
all the resources that they need to do
their job because if not then what we're
doing and I'm not suggesting that
everyone's saying that so let's be clear
right I'm not suggesting that all right
be clear about that what I'm saying is
that if we're not and all we're doing
this kind of thing we're checking that
box but not really following through
with our commitment in my opinion to the
public to make it um a substantial thing
to do a very important job that was put
together to do it
so I hear what you're saying I do want
to say I do want to uh okay
um we talked about this extensively and
I think Mr Williams would remember in
Miss Porterfield
um and well also
both of our
Mr John's there
um
police reform and reinvention task force
um we had extensive conversation about
the civilian police review board
um and its role and its needs
and
you know basically at that group had
really made some decisions correct me if
I'm wrong
um
uh in terms of in terms of what was
needed or or
et cetera and at the time Mr Williams
was I think co-chairing with Mr shave
um
and so I I mean we definitely talked
about it quite a bit
um researched it Etc
um so I don't know I mean I feel
I guess that you know
I don't know
but like everything yeah I think because
to your point I mean we talked about you
know or it was discussed quite a bit you
know what I mean and I think that it's
one thing to talk about it
is another thing to do to support it and
I think that this is what you know from
what I'm hearing from people who are um
a part of that board you know
they need resources and
I just I think that you know that we
want them to do the job and do it in a
way then uh you know an efficient way
that we just need to have an efficient
resource I mean I don't think we're
saying to too many different things
Patrick was right definitely when I was
co-chairing with dick shave we did
submit a series of recommendations all
of which were not fully considered from
being honest
um or were just
I was kind of even at that but I would
say with the revolving door of new board
members coming in and it was like myself
kind of taking a more back approach and
observing more there's been a lot of
transition so as these newer individuals
are understanding these very influential
roles as Mr Farley highlighted I think
it is important for us to fully Empower
them and as he mentioned we can do it in
our words but then also we need to make
sure we're doing interactions so I don't
know what that looks like from a
monetary standpoint but I definitely it
would would be willing to support having
a separate designation so that it shows
the community our sincerity with wanting
to make sure that this
board has all of its resources to do the
work that it's empowered to do by the
code
so the 82 000 isn't just for Council it
would be for
other
what would it be for I think it started
out as 82 000 for a research Council for
the city council and the um
for something other than the council
well that's only have a budget right now
about the budget that they have is five
thousand dollars with training and
travel right which isn't isn't a great
deal of money for anyone so the city
2000 would be would be for uh for a
keyboard counselor
so I I think I I would just like to
recommend that
um under the the law Department's budget
we throw in maybe another thirty
thousand dollars not a separate line
item
um or something like that so there's
always enough money for them to for the
council to for the Corporation Council
to go to this these services and there
it is for them uh
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so we can track the cars the usage and
see that are we really hiring anybody
because I don't like it so so we roll up
to all the expensive service 404
together because we have it we have the
issue that the uh when I asked you but
we have a back and forth with the public
safety Foundation where everything was
rolled out into the fees for surface
line and how we'll be able to track what
actually was used Mr Ferrari was able to give us a
summary of this we don't need that we
should avoid that if we're funding a
line we should try to separate it
especially when it's benefiting our
community directly
so if I'm if I'm understanding correctly
I think this is kind of
we're in a place right now where it
seems like what I'm gathering from the
council just from Gathering is that
everyone is kind of
recognizing the importance of such a
position I think about what we're kind
of uh going back and forth about is like
where does the line items sit I think
that's pretty much it which I'm relieved
to say that I think that that's you know
that that's a good place to be to begin
with
I would just um
strongly suggested to my colleagues that
having a line item designated to
um something
um in a specific manner I think that does uh that goes a long way with
um demonstrating our commitment to the
important work they do and that would
you know
I would be okay with adding some money
to that line as as Mr George said as
well it's fun
I'd want to see
I really would want to see like what
would it be used for um because I think
you know for Council or for legal legal
counsel right I mean that would be on a
um as needed basis so in other words are
they going to break it down into
because it obviously and he's for
service but I don't even know there's
probably a way that the accounting
um
outside outside
so maybe if you're looking to separate
it you do please for a few more and do
an outside legal content online so
you're going to have a future Services
where people start to say if you really
want to designate it and separated
would set the criteria though for how
that would be in other words you'd have
to have some criteria but when you would
contact that outside counselors they
can't just
none of us would be that would be like
me thinking of the phone and saying you
know
very bad for the Law Department I mean
I'm not going to call and you know you
know what I'm saying
but it's the first time I'm hearing an
attorney hasn't been going to review
board meetings in the past it
was done as a beginner request places
sometimes you don't need it sometimes
you don't need it because we're here
tonight so we're going to do fine okay
all right in
the outside Council line
is used more for
areas of either an outright conflict or
looking for some higher level of
specialization
where we can't handle it in hell so even
if this line was there
there's probably going to be most of the
stuff that the Corporation Council could
answer
provide advice to the board
within the existing budget is there a
conflicted position or something else
you know where we've had
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our closest friend and General Electric
because we haven't been a while but if
you challenge their assessment that's
not something that we do in-house we
learn to bring outside Council some of
the labor negotiations when we go to uh
binding arbitration of which we haven't
recently again we have a relationship
with the county we provide staff or
in-house staff to it but the arbitration
sexual laws highly specialized in we
bring in firms that are
trained they do that all the time and
give us the best advice of it
again it wouldn't
it might let them be somewhat driven on
what the issue is that's coming before
the board and who that Council might be
in
let's say generally we can we can
probably handle some
in-house and do it with a high level of
confidence of the board is happy with
the representation information they're
getting
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I don't think that thank God we're
talking about it either or I was I would
just say that it would be uh yes and so
and I'm like yes a week obviously even
if like to the point that line items
available
um if it's something that we can handle
without having to use those funds then
let's do that right that's just the
responsible to do that
but then I also think that then there's
that value of having that
um that when I'm there
if in case that it is needed it's there
and the people who serve on that board
who know that it's there they understand
that's that's there for them as
designated man again I think that goes a
long way
um but just type in the language that
we've been um you know the way we've
been speaking
um
and and kind of the real commitment that
we need to the community around us
um I don't
think that we need to kind of think back
to why we're in the position to have
such a board
um and you know across our country and I don't want to just look like we're
being
just paying lip service to it which
again again for a record I don't think
anyone's saying that
can I just ask a question because it
sounds
in the mirror there was an attorney that
used to in other words somebody from our
Corporation Council yeah one of us used
to go regularly when she was on the
board like many years ago yes we used to
have an attorney every everything from
the corporation from the corporation
a few years ago I should ask the
question
yeah I think we should then I asked a
question
um no attorney here and they were like
no but I didn't dive into it and then I
was like no attorney anymore
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which is
just a matter of course that that would
happen it's probably no yeah but again I
don't think it's either I think that we
have the capacity to support them
um at their regular meetings
um through Corporation Council let's do
that cost us
nothing not just there right so let's do
that that's something we should do and
let's make sure that they're
um uh have the resources that they need
um in in the case that they do need a an
outside Council let's do both because
they won't spend it if they don't need
it it's there and therefore we can kind
of Remedy what's happening right now
in-house and I think that that checks
all about people talking about yeah
I think it's just as simple as Talent
whoever Charities like
the City attorney will be there if you
need something further just request it I
mean no one's
I don't think any of us are going to say
you know when are they yeah yeah but I
was uncomfortable almost every case that
we reviewed we will refer to the
attorney for some admission guidance
here sometimes clarification can we do
this can we now do this things like that
no you can't you can't get this you
can't get that so they're right there
and they're getting their answers we
were getting our answers to too many
questions and you thought that was
happening also yeah
what's up
I'm not sure if there's a step that in
every meeting basis but it has need
basis
again sometimes the board handles what
I'll call a routine and things and
problems are better than other times
they're more complex issues that come
before it and they're
more complicated and required more
in-depth analysis of The View
I mean we're looking at industrial
reference for looking at 2000 here
originally was recently Albany Police
recovery is asking for Two Plus million
dollars so I'm just thrown at two
thousand versus 2.22 million yeah so
we're very difficult for our questions
we can actually uh why not we hire them
on beta return eighty two thousand
dollars
well approving 82 000 and give it to
them so be a contract
there are
yes we need it
for how much money
yeah so that's where it's right now yeah
I think I'm really important we have we
have the police review board has a line
the law department has a line for feed
where do we put
um if you wouldn't mind just explain me
that one more time because the way
to review more questions so I don't see
why not I mean if
outside legal services are under that
especially if you want a chess game
separated it's not for that purpose um
if not I mean it's under the lawn
department that makes sense that way too
it really it's really up to the council
you guys want to do it but either way I
think it would work
yeah I think I think the best idea
because we already have a police review
board line
I my recommendations disappointed there
as a four four
with 440 yeah 44 Israel and have that
separated so we can track the Cars track
the usage but you know so yeah because
if we're going to put money there we
then there needs to be some news station
if it's not usually we need to subtract
it so next year we know that
we're gonna use them from this Navigator
2000 then we don't need to fund it in
2000.
set up something though and I mean dates
have to have input in our Corporation
Council I'm not saying us set it up but
I mean you know somebody from the police
review board and the Corporation Council
if you need and say and maybe the
commissioner but to say here's what this
would be used for versus here's what you
would do with the attorney that we don't
have to pay any money for from our own
um office you know what I mean like just
so that there's some sort of I guess
that unless it's already in the Bible of
the civilian police Review Board in
terms of what when they would go to an
outside Council
Etc I don't know
I'm talking about um our in our city
code it's not spelled out like that uh
it just says that they have the
opportunity to do that so and I to me to
me would be a case-by-case basis it's
you know you don't know until you get to
the case whether you there's a thought
that there's an hour
um there's a thought that there may be a
conflicts is that so I believe it took a
case-by-case basis so if the Corp if
somebody from our own office was there
and then they would have they would
probably say
okay this is something that we need
outside console do you see what I'm
saying I do understand what you're
saying yeah I mean I wouldn't have the
legal expertise if I was a volunteer I'm
a civilian police review board
I don't I wouldn't have the legal
expertise to be able to know whether I
needed outside counsel or whether I
needed you know
I'm just trying to save a little money
I hear the concept of why it's needed I
get that
um I just I don't wanna I I wouldn't
want so
I wouldn't want to get into a place
where we're kind of like
you know micromanaging
the task of that board right
so so I just I so I I would be really in
favor of putting you know less barriers
um in front of them to access the
resources that they need to do that very
important job I I but that's the
probably the only you know what I mean
that's what I'm saying like since we all
agree that it's there's money there should be money there if we're
just talking about where we're going to
place it I think we really need to
places where it needs to go to say hey
this is for you to do to use it as you
need it now I mean if you think that
people on the board are going to be like
you know maybe using their
Council budget for like you know
closing on their house or something
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but you know if we have we trust them to
serve in that capacity
I don't want the board members have any conversations
with commissioner Devine
yo I heard him because of his broad
background and experience those public
defender
nominee was a private attorney Supreme
Court Judge at pellet division
uh were
really lucky to have that skill set and
available to us and you know if there's
issues or things that come up
people should reach out to them and
it you know judge your items before him
it also sets the tone within the
department where we don't tolerate
people making poor choices and things
that are incorrect for Improv
and I and I think I'll definitely
because when the people I spoke to I
didn't meet that recommendation and that
means I definitely do that moving
forward I think that that's something to
do as well
so listening to everyone's feet there's
a number of different options that we
are presenting to this review board that
would significantly benefit their
long-term success so as the Public
Safety Committee chair and take
responsibility for making sure that the
civilian police review board chair is
aware and then I can kind of coordinate
and facilitate so that our Corporation
Council has that close conversation with
them because this very much is going to
be like training wheels like learning
how to acclimate all of these resources
for the benefit of their tasks and
duties so definitely I I'm in support of
the game Mr Farley beats it to a nauseum
and and all right is that what he's
saying to work yes but
um it's how do we incorporate this into
our daily like work practices because if
you don't use it you essentially like
lose it in a sense so if for me per se
if it's truly
how do we support you and what is
designated in the code
that is this
service I think it's appropriate that we
can
add a line under the Earth
to place that Media or whatever we
decide on so I think we should move
forward we have an understanding and yes
it's needed how much is needed I will
leave that for next Wednesday when we
come back to the last minute yeah
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unless we want to give a number right
down and pass it out I think that this
seems to be a Hot Topic a big budget
yeah
someplace else
we need to have a number that
um both Anthony and the mayor would be
coming back to us with you know
I mean we have seen over the years that
he had
came to us requesting funds they accept
the documents first they asked us all
the time you know budget and things that
and wanted a more additional support
staff
he's eighteen thousand dollars enough
for them to carry out the function that
they need to
I don't think so
we gotta started so we have to start
somewhere to give them some funding to
help them with our we can give them I
just want to be clear the 82 000 is only
for outside Council period nothing else
right
okay okay because the reason I'm saying
that is that we've um we put 100 000 to
our legal department which uses outside
Council a little bit more because
initially it was put in here as
also worked with the city council but
clearly that's off the table I mean I
don't I'm just right
it wasn't said it but
so I'm asking are you saying that that's
not something that means
I understand your question so initially
it was putting here to
um research Council and said for the
city council and the cprb and now we're
taking the city council out of that
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because we can't put city council into
cprb right but what I was saying is that
so if it's the same way like we have you
know split
uh lines and so this person
um uh
0.5 is on a border of course if I were
in the sewer right we see that happen
multiple times on the budget right so
then that would make some schools just
like that I'm just saying that that
a portion of that budget line needs to
be designated to that police community
board it needs to sit there I think that is
the commitment okay I was having a
different understanding I thought that
we had taken city council off the table
that was whatever I was the only person
that you said that
I think Carly has given an opinion okay
we haven't heard from everybody else
around whether they think the city
councils are okay is needed I personally
think we have the Corporation Council
and for the times that I've needed
a legal question answered or you know
I've gone to him I'm trying to think of
a specific example to say to say oh you
know is this something we can do in um
in the meeting or do we need to go into
executive session or something like that
I've been making that up I'm just saying
those kinds of things are the only times
that I
you know I think I sat with him early on
to hear a little bit more about sure oh
during the police review
police transformation process
um I asked some questions about
redaction I want to talk about about
that during that time like I asked you
know when everyone said
understood their process I mean we
talked to the staff about that but it's
been very rare for me
um in these three years to have to
Andrew's been able to
help me in whatever way I need to help
but that's just me I mean I don't know
what the rest of you feel
I mean I don't have an issue on having a
research Council
assist the city council whatever the
need is and also assess the police
review board
I always feel either too
we just figuring out where the money
goes but
I don't know
uh
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partial uh split there I want to have
technical it'll have to be two lines one
on the police review board and one of
the city council
uh divided go ahead please I don't think
we need one uh as a council if we do we
request the fees for services if it's
denied
we do the budget we have maybe we we
changed it and we hire our own you know
as a as a consultant as as we need so
you know so we have a hundred thousand
dollars and there he only uses 60 or 80.
so
he can handle 92 probably 98 or more of
the cprv stuff
why won't you put like 10 or 15
000 to start
under cprb for lawyer fees see how it is
if they need more they ask for it will
approve it
two things I would say for that one well
I have a question to use in like if we
requested something that was denied
yes so
if we go to Andrew we're not satisfied
and we say we need outside counsel and
somehow Andrew doesn't do it or whatever
which I'm not sure
that was the point I was trying to
figure out I'm just saying worst case
scenario okay okay
Council and say we need 25 000 I'm
making up a little yeah sure 25 000 to
hire a council to handle X thing for us
and we approve
and I would take the money out of the
fees for services if we're going to put
I think 10 or 15 take it off Easter
services for a legal department and put
it under that makes sense and a man has
to prove that that contract
that consultant agreement yesterday
here
so we're leaving it
are we just leaving
my suggestion
that please
split
the 0.5 for the civilian or police
fire for a city council that was my
suggestion have to say so essentially it
really boils down to that we take 82
divided by 2 and put half the cprb in
half from the city council is that what
you're yes I mean uh the for the whole
city they're using 100 000 if you're
doing specifically for two things maybe
you want to do 50 and 25 and 25.
before we could think of it like this
because I think that it might even be a
little more fiscally as possible to do
it this way if the whole budget is 100
Grand but we're only using 60 of it
in-house then we can take that remaining
40 of it and then put 20 of it into for
city council and 20 over 40 Police
Department
until not add another 82. is that what
you're saying yeah if we're only using
sixty thousand dollars out of a hundred
right right
so so therefore user will not take more
money
some years it will shift as a
negotiations
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but I think so but
yeah
so I
we just add a little bit more to it um I
don't I agree that maybe if we took away
from 100 000 then they may go over
um so but we definitely need to land on
the space Okay so
uh Mr Ferrari had a good idea and split
it in two lanes
as a counselor one under police review
and
enjoy that looked at historically I
won't agree to cut our Originals or to
add-ons for the Law Department if you
look historically the line go up or down
and they were to keep outside console
and do not have enough money so we need
to add
more service at the same time that's my
recommendation yeah
split it there we go let's get over this
yes
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under 440 outside legal outside legal
services
or next year when you come back to do
the budget you'll have an idea of what's
but it doesn't doesn't mean reason why I
want it to be to have it separated and
this while we found the cprb I think
that they also it actually was requested
that our corporate Council and perhaps
our Public Safety chair kind of come and
go over what the code actually said that you do they
was actually a discussion where they
wanted to not be a part of May poll when
clearly our um
our legislation said they should be so
that's going to be requests don't send
you email specifically about them and
can I add those in terms of thank you
for saying you want to take the lead on
this but I would recommend you know
maybe including the commissioner as well
as the mayor suggested when you talk
with them
cprb internet Council absolutely so I
mean that sounds very good I guess I
think that's a big part of his role
you know
all right so I think we're finally
moving on let's move on to any other
item that we need to discuss it's a
Friday evening
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the water sewer and trash eliminating
the increase in the fees
I mean I just wanted to hear I don't you
know
I mean it seemed like we needed to
increase those fees so I I don't know I
just wanted to hear what that was about
I mean what would be the total revenue
that we would lose well just out of fees
1.1 million general fund yeah I believe
it's uh
can you repeat that 1.1 we are 1.1
million
for the garbage yeah uh the water is
soaring not the numbers
right here it is so it's uh we reduce
water by 426 000 but sooner by 773
thousand seven hundred and seventy three
thousand thirty two dollars
basically another 1.1 and uh and also you're looking to reduce uh
property tax by one percent another 300
that's 310 629 right that's 1.4 million
this morning next and then you know I
was just uh going just quickly through
the top of my head just looking at some
instructions in our book that's another
three million 143 000. so I'm detained
that
and the 1.4 million
is that 1.4 is 4.6 million that will have to take right
out of our fund balance
so but if you mentioned us not only when
we talk about some
big big numbers like a 2.4 million
dollars and then look at um the question
that um the answer to the best of our
many questions
on the 67
63 openings
that's a 5.3 million dollars here that
we budgeted last year and the positions
and then we're adding but we are we are
doing that money is not available
to hire people yeah and then we're
adding 15 more positions on 220.
so we got 5.3 million that we didn't
fill this this year and we're still
looking at the two million dollar loss
projection yes so and then plus all
these
1.426 773 and so where's
so if we're running a two million dollar
loss by not filling 5.3 million dollars
in positions
where would we be if we had those
positions too
and some of them the big question is
then why are we adding more position
than I'm not a 50 position if we're at
last
a lot of these jobs were coming through
arpa that was three 3.1 million dollars
and you're cutting that out too
what why are we cutting out our bro
wait we have positions that were funded
by our brothers which is a question that
was asked by several council members
like what are we going to do
in in terms of that if you add that up
in non-filled positions it's 9.1 million
plus a 2 million dollar loss that's 11.1
million and then if we do these other
things then you're starting to get into
12.
13 14. million yes and we only have 16
million in fund balance which can go
very quickly you don't want to get
million dollars
check to see the plan was is for
stabilization when we're thinking this
is still a coverage you know we figure
2023 is probably the last of it and this
during the 2023 like we mentioned in the
talk our our Revenue should start
stabilizing and start increasing again
but you're talking about overcoming 5
million plus in Revenue well that's what
I'm saying that's not going to happen
that's where you have to raise fees I
mean you know uh you know I mean our
expenses are going up you can't
just can't put your your money come down
you know
I mean the broad question is a raising
fees
to continue to provide a service
we have to look back and say okay yes
providing the service provided me to
serve it but then maybe we just tax them
I need a tax tax payers I mean this is
like raising water still in garbage is
fees but it's taxes
what I'm suggesting is if you don't
raise garbage don't take away the arpa
too I I you know keep keep the tax
collect I mean I mean just find ways
that help you know
let's get through this year and the next
year you'll see things will be better
you know hopefully hopefully unless we
have a third world war
I'm not saying
not to do the get rid of the fee
increase I'm just saying all this other
stuff plus what we're not having now
you're talking 12 13 million easy
yeah
so in terms of the fees my thought on
that was that because I've heard from
people is that well first of all it's
really just another way for us to
collect some taxes frankly is what's
being said and the other part is
something we've been discussing a lot at
the council and that is renters so if
homeowners get this fee they're passing
it on
so yes
they're not going to say um
they're not going to absorb it
um you know that and so we're already
talking about people feeling like they
can't afford to pay the rent that are
currently so they're clearly not going
to be able to afford rent that's
increased and that the increase is is um
happens because we have increased the
garbage tree which we did two years ago
by the way
so I too have been hearing from people
that they absolutely don't want those
fees increased my question is just in
terms of being you know fiscally
responsible I get what you're saying
that those good points I wasn't thinking
about
but
where are we going to get the 2 million
two hundred and ninety nine thousand
dollars that that represents like where else would we what what are we
going to cut out of the budget in order
to
um save that
what's our what the funbots the water garbage does not have foam
diamonds what is a water sword
I sent it to the other day if you
haven't you had that paper
so sorry you don't need to get up now
thank you
it was the financial I sent you the
actual Financial audited report yes I
have all of those
we have to figure out which one is which
but this is
here's the water pump
here's the sewer bun okay
the front balance of the sore front is
12 million
725 000 I-43 they had a 167 thousand
dollar deficit
in 2020 they had a deficit of uh 744
000 oh wait in 2020 they had a deficit
of 167 661 in 2021 last year there was a
deficit of 744
787. the fund balance is 11 million 981
went from 1272 to 11 981
in the Waterfront 2020
the fund balance was 9.6 million
and in 2021
the fund balance that there was a
deficit of fifty seven thousand sixty
dollars in the front balance and uh in
2021 or right now is 9 million six
hundred and four thousand
so just as a point of codification when
we have a deficit in those we don't take
the money out of the reserve or the
reward it goes down so we started you
know it goes down we do take it okay
the starter payments and
the upgrades that we've made yeah for
the water yeah especially we're talking
just so for the sword that's about 57
million dollars 28 22.50 million dollars
that's about a million dollars a year
just in uh
principal uh confusion
and like I said if you want to not waste
water don't put water that looks okay
for now you're building those Wells
but you got at the sword again you need
that just for to uh to paint it that
uh garbage
I don't you know what the problem with
garbage we have to figure that out is
what I'm saying if you don't want to
increase garbage you can't take away the
three point million dollars of our
performing that you're having here
why are we thinking about taking away
the arbor funding I mean except for the
longer term question of how do we make
it up next year or afternoon
is that is that what people are when we
met a couple weeks ago that we were
trying to address the last set of
funding for our
kid mentioned to us that he recommended
to us that we should hold off on making
any more allocation until he comes back
to us with his detail of the project who
you are and if it's from Iran are going
to retain the deadline to see if he has
enough money that we awarded to this
project and then we can able to continue
toward any additional fund that's why I
made a military on the second page with
regards so they are performing for the
parks I think we are pretty much all of
us in agreement to fund the parts that
but how much money and are we gonna okay
to these parts and we'll need to wait on
me and McCarthy to come back to us with
those details as to what additional fund
is needed
for those Awards immediate and then
we'll move forward okay so my my
takeaway from that meeting where we put
things on pause
um was because I figured now when I got
this budget from the mayor that that was
the mayor's recommendations on how to
use the the Opera funds that this was us
moving forward from that pause
um to to use the Opera funds
um to to do this now I still have that
other I was one of the people that
raised the question of are we going to
replace that 5.8 million dollars
um but I
you know after yeah that's not the case
because um
is still working on getting those
details to us
what can we ask questions
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is to create
stability within municipalities then
they granted other money to do
incentives within their communities uh
respective communities and put a lot of
flexibility
I've put forth a budget to use money
last year and I'm looking to have the
council support
again going into 2023 and would still
want to use some of our money in 2024
so that we have a stable fiscal position
within this area
and
okay we still have to generate the
revenue to cover our expenses we've
granted contractual raises across the
board the police department was filled
up will be up this year
in the document I've given you the
budget I've given you I believe is
fiscally prudent for the long term
stability of the city to continue
the Renaissance that we have and I
welcome the discussion and debate but
some of these scenarios that you're
putting report are going to get our
ability when we go to the bond market
and just I believe the long-term fiscal
stability of the city
again bankrupt for two years
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that's amazing
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position
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understand
instead of
region located originally from the
building inspector it's uh
and so I've seen him more after midnight
right the water department
yourself
I I'm in agreeance with this with
removing the stipends
um
you know when you sign up for the
position you're on Saturday
um work for the New York state division
of the budget that you're paying you
don't get any stipend even though you
work for 102 hours a week before so
um I am not a favor to find this
well
which ones good
um
there was some additions here but I'm
also saying taking around budget right
and what do you know what that was
representing it's not that there's not
that much money it's probably 30 years
Mr Ferrari you did mention we asked the
question was asking the floor why do we
need to stay together
you know he gets three thousand dollars
a year
but he's there
24 7 like at midnight season more after
midnight than whatever
we have a statement for uh
the engineer because he works and
manages as the
governors you know oh you have a segment
for myself in uh there uh because you
know we go to all the meetings you know
after hours uh most cases typing we have
the Bureau of service because he's on 24 call manager is this type of and uh
our uh one other guy would be uh
Joe can't Joan because he's out 24 17.
he gets a second
if he can stipend and stand by day he
does not just know he's management
so I was calling on a regular basis
after hours for the incidents or events
where I want him out of bed he had a
scene no questions asked
stand by yeah
100 bucks a call uh
expanded since that and some people are
it's not a sense of urgency schedules
but again that's the discretion of the
council that I can understand
um just doing your job and going to
meetings and
putting in extra hours is just part of
your
salary
so as I kind of process through that I think like so you know my original
thought was well you know
hearing you know from the staff
um and I think we all have
uh you know said you know Express the
younger the major the major leadership
they've been doing a really good job and
even kind of rising you know
above you know
expectations and I just think that like
so if I'm a staff member and my original
thought was do they have autonomy of
their schedule so could they kind of
like shift their hours and you know you
know so if you're going to be in a
meeting that maybe you're not here at
nine o'clock in the morning maybe that
day you can come in at 11 o'clock but
the reality of that is yeah those two
hours we need you here yeah we're gonna
say so so when it's like that so that's
why you know I I would you know I and
because you know I think it makes up
such a small number you know every
dollar counselor I think that those are
dollars Wise Wise
expected too it's a lot of times I come
in the middle of the night too whether
it's insurance emergency
because I'm the guy that does the
insurance stuff
the city usually
comes time to manage our employees the
council is subsequently
changed that where there is no account
time or overtime that is allocated for
management employees again so it is
somewhat of a conflicted
way before so we should we should look
it up well except that I mean again I
don't know how it is in a public
municipality but in a in in other
workplaces the state sets laws on what's
an exempt versus a non-exempt employee
an exempt employee I think I always mix
it up but one of those cannot get over
time like when when I was working I
could not get overtime I just worked
until I finished my work
um whether it was you know eight in the
morning or eight o'clock at night you
know
um but that was Private obviously not a
public so I just wanted because I I what
council did that before when was that I
think yeah well what I'm saying is I
don't think that we can't I think we'd
have to
I mean if it's the same for a
municipality as it is in Private
Industry uh whether we can give them
stipends
well I don't I I personally no offense
because I think you all work hard and I
agree Mr Farley that everybody's you
know going above and beyond but
you know I mean if part of your job is
attending a meeting after hours it's
part of your job but
um again I appreciate the work that
you're doing but I'm just saying I again
I've always worked in not in a public
setting though so it might be different
so I think I think we're discussing the legality of
a stipend that is very different for
what I cannot support is hearing every
single person that sat in that seat
telling them we appreciate your service
this city
you are going to get less money
that is a version of a pay cut and I
cannot look them in the eye and tell
them we're going to need you to not only
repeat that
but go beyond the following year
because we don't know the expectations
of covet
how
as we've heard multiple times we're
competing with industries that are far
exceeding our salary limits
so the fact that we have individuals
still here that are still striving to
improve our city is a benefit but a
luxury that we should not take for
granted so that is why I can't support
limiting stipends
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yeah so that's something maybe we want
to look at as a counselor if it was
there why it was removed and maybe we
looked up I'm gonna put some I put a
note to go well so I wouldn't really
have any issue with the increase you
don't want to get rid of the stipends
behind but I don't think we should
increase something I don't think we
should give extra I mean quite frankly
your management that's the job if you
didn't like that then you shouldn't have
taken the job in the first place
foreign
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so
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would you understood yes and and you
know
again appreciate all the work that's
done on every level by all of us
so Mr Williams you're in favor of the
ten thousand dollars stipend for Mr
Ferrari so we wouldn't uh absolutely
yeah okay okay
so I a lot a lot of people see me wear
my Ortho New York gear and it's not
because I I just have a deep infatuation
for wearing this I'm coming right from
work more times than not as a salary
employee I'm a manager you're doing the
extra hours I I yield to that I get that
what I think we're missing is when you
enter a contract that says the
presidents so the president has been
that they've given statements so I think
to alter that agreement after they
continue to to do the work
that's a separate conversation different
from what we know within our personal
Employments and they've conceded not to
take away the cycles
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management employees there's no contract
from that it is determined by the annual
budget when it's adopted by the city
council
I don't have an issue given a a stipend
or two until you know any employee who
deserve it because I'm coming from the
private sector we are silent where we
get bonuses
um
which is kind of like stipend it's nice
you know it's nice we will work on
Sunday at two o'clock in the morning and
we don't get all the time but we're
knowing that the fact that's on the road
we're getting a bonus as we're as the
individual working here doing their
salary in overtime but
small stipend to offset the time that
they are here not every day of the week
not every video of the year but
recognize the work that they're doing we
need to we need to do that we started
this last year when we did the budget to
with the management of employees then we
give them so they already asked for most
of them already asked for and now we'll
follow up with me is asking for four
percent there's a recommendation here to
go across the board for three percent
you know we all move the folks for our
management employees and a small little
token
doesn't work they help us as a city I
think we're ready to move on yes yes
so you get a bonus because your ear is
highly profitable
we are
and so there's a difference there you
know if we were making a huge Surplus
every year okay let's let's go at it
let's look for the mail saying there's a
surplus right we may have three million
dollars
there was a great million dollars I
proposed a couple years ago if you saved
the city millions of dollars no we can't
do it I guess because of state law it's
not to get the money because he's the
guy that but if you're an employee you
save millions of dollars you know there
should be some sort of reward you touch
them a point that we were working on it
or review but we can't do it because
public money yeah let's look at this time I don't
have a problem yet
it's 100 more maybe expensive question
foreign
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if we take away the water sewer and um
trash did we we did go to the restroom
in there for a few minutes
but I'm saying you can't take an ad out
plus take out the Arca money too because
then then you're looking at what I said
7.9 million dollars attitude of three
million we already planned to do so
we're looking at what do we say almost
12 million dollars right so say if you
don't if you don't
you can't take away the arpa of monies
if you don't want to erase those fees
you can't well I think that is a lot I
call earlier that um we need to look at
the numbers the left side right side
well right that's right that's why I'm
answering before we go into this because
I was not able to put numbers again I
was able to pull numbers from the book
as much as like sure okay but then again
that's why I said this earlier before is
that give a it's a Ferrari time to put
the numbers together I guess we have 426
77.
you know we have done that in the past
year he says okay here is going to cost
us payers amount of money that we have
here where do we where do we move later
on from I know it's you know yeah
here's a simple question yeah so replace
mental health specialist title with
service Navigator so I Googled a service
notificator so what is the difference or
what
yes so I I that I I put that sure
doesn't work so that was just based on
um uh what we were hearing um
that that
the original title of mental health
um specialist and I asked for chief I
said you know it seems like this person
in this role is acting more as a
resource Navigator
um not on providing services to
individuals that he said yeah so and so
I I thought that that was again an
important thing because I
foreign
people have come to the world and talked
about it and I think that
I just
want to be clear as to the function of
that position and I don't think that the
title of mental health specialness
um really captures uh the breadth of
that work based on what the teachers
but I did have some prior knowledge of
uh service navigating and resource
navigating being civil service position
titles so that's why I suggested because
I was thinking that if it works fine
yeah definitely yeah I just think it
just you know represents more of what
that what the function of that job would
be
um
because it is
correct me if I'm wrong but I think the
mental health specialist
is
for internal mental health that's not
the person that goes out is it on calls
because we have the contract with
Northern Rivers
um right to go out on calls um so maybe
this person was doing some of that
um but I thought also it was like an
internal Wellness for the that's not
what I understand no no no no so there's
so okay a couple different things and
um hiring statement to be is that the
police the officers have someone that um
internally that serves as a you know
mental health for for them right
um this uh mental health specialist
title
um I believe this was you know part of
the police reform
um conversations and I think um you know
as they should you know the police
department you know and listen to the
community and said you know we want to
get a mental health specialist well the
chief was saying he's saying that you
know really this person wouldn't be
aiding in this de-escalation this person
would be aiding in more of a follow-up
so if you're dealing with somebody they
can go back and coordinate with service
and agencies you're right right so I was
just but I think the community might be
under the impression that this is the
person that's providing Mental Health
Services right two people out in the
community have that are having police
contact and that's really not a accurate
I think the example is what happened in
Phil Park
I think the example is when the the
police department worked with Bethesda
House Gap Etc and did a coordinated
effort in uh working with the people who
were without housing uh that were coming
down out of Vale Park
um and um
and placing them and and supporting them
and giving them the services they needed
that that's what this role of this
person
right I guess is what I'm saying yes yes
it seems like yourself
service Navigator helping service yes
not only just connecting them with
service providers but then follow them
up and yeah
oh yeah
exactly yes
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this is our chance to discuss
so
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to talk about so his items
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um
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let's talk about child support uh
affirmative action office
I think we are coming on Mr Garden
yesterday and the reason why he wanted a
sports staff to help them out and
the needs
for that often sorry
any question on this there it will
yeah so to me
I don't he needs support
but it seems to me we're hiring an IPS
person in human resources that could do
a good portion of some of that data
analysis type thing he's looking for at
least tracking people if I remember
about us one of the big things he's
struggling with
and then so that to me is a human
resources job and could be filled by
that person in the human resource
department
and then I think the other stuff could
be handled by some of the people in the
development office
with because they kind of work hand in
hand don't they so like you're you're
doing these things
seems to me we need a culminated after
which he's already doing
and so to get the support of your needs
I think we have some of it in place
already
it's just a matter of making sure those
people
do what they need to do for Iran and
making sure he's getting the data and
support he needs
well I mean if HR assistant ips3 and
that's a new hire I'm sure
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office or related to the work
and
um
so I think part of what we heard
yesterday from Mr coluccio is that when
you don't dedicate singular positions
for singular roles you then create these
uh individuals who have their hands in
multiple hats and if we're not able to
find the placements those roles
keep increasing so by the time you get
to 20 years in the city not only are you your title but you're
also an umbrella of everything that just
kept on your plate because you had no
one else to give it to so I think if
we're intentionally supporting this
department we need to give it the
positions that he requested and fold
yeah and I was going to talk about
Department of development I mean that
adding more work for them we have been
moving and we work from Department of
development and I could just call the
program out you know we recently last
year the year before transform our whole
program as well to pcni so it's just
because they have enough that they're
doing down there
and adding more attack of them it will
not be fear
in addition we kind of are adding more
because um they have to do a lot with
the Arbor project so we that's going to
be something that's going to be but we
added that remember you and I last year
um kind of questioned the additional
position that we put into development
last year which was the rationale for
that was to to be working on the arpa
who's that I think it now when when it
was added to us last year was called
assistant director but if I asked
Kristen about it the other um when she
spoke with us and it has a different
title now
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Community Development
um to
um help because we thought that
Christians were Globe would be affected
by the arpa
um so we have we added that other
position so I was actually
um the two other but
I mean again those positions are filled
she explained to us already but there
are two additional new positions in her
office
um that I was wondering about whether
those recipes needed but they are filled
now already before we even came to
talking about
budget so you know
so there really shouldn't have been on
the list of new jobs new jobs because
they were already filled
and when the other part and we didn't
know when we felt that position went up
it was what was looked like we didn't
know that we were going to fund like
multiple projects that people really
have to monitor and take a look at we
didn't know any of that right so now
that we have a better grasp of that I
think it's going to make a difference
so we're really talking about
affirmative action and do we ask him for
these wants and which would be another
106 240 200 106 249.
um because we subtract out what's
already been allocated to him in the
budget so that would be the additional
money right 106. yeah in other words we
don't have to look at the sheet that Mr
Gardner gave us
he included his own salary which is
already in right the existing operating
budget so right you should take the
total of 180 what what Ms Porterfield I
think is saying is if you take a total
of 182
uh 684 and subtract Out Mr Gardner's um
2023
um it comes down to whatever you just
said
did I not make that clear I'm not sure
does that include no so no oh yeah and
then plus the benefits yeah the benefits
are different places yeah it's also an
added so we get the right numbers right
yeah we don't we don't put it in this
budget we put it at the other end plus I
know but it's still money we have to
come up with because it also is computer
years and office furniture for those two
additional positions I'm just trying to
get a number of what we're spending yeah
it doesn't matter
so it's what 106 plus times seven
thousand percent so 176 thousand yeah
I mean it's going to be the same for
every single position so
where are we
up down sideways on this
okay so we'll need roughly about 176.
I think we do it
you know we put it we put the 176 and
then we see what happens on Wednesday
when Mr Ferrari yes
exactly exactly so so now it's codes we
go to codes
I gave you the wrong number yesterday it
uh info specialist four is going to be
54 000 205.98 last 10 years numbers
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increase of 17 112 dollars
was that um clerical position a new
position
codes I think it was going to be yeah
that's
fine I don't see it on the new positions
and collapse of the position correct yes
but
foreign
thank you
so there's one vacancy I see okay yes
that's what you're taking out right yes
yeah
I see yeah he only has one right now
okay
so total expenses basically 29 000.
thank you
so the expense will be 29 yes because
we're taking away from this 17
000 times 2.7 got it so because we're
collapsing that position and he's
so you're saving on the salary
difference right so whatever that salary
is
okay so the next one is police department meeting
in these
positions where they look for upgrades
uh the news information that clerk's
office somebody waiting for a civil
service test
the rules used to be that David's role
could
fail a civil service that's two or three
times or create a point I'm not good
civil service now changed the rules
where
had a failure of the test have to
basically fire
ball
yeah
get the notice notify the employee and
what item listed these better scenarios
is if we're going to promote these
people
do the
analysis of job duties
if there's going to be a test or
certification get it from Civil Service
first so that we can then move them into
the position
permanently and don't have to Jack you
around
the likelihood and it definitely puts
more pressure on them to studying past
the tests but we don't have to do the
maneuvering if they come up short into
weigh them off
recreate another position or
Maneuvers who are complicated system
so you do the budget amendment
to
and these are relatively small amounts
of money that we're looking at you know
will make it work
one way or the other during the year
if you have to either that or going to
make the cost of that too especially if
you have to lease someone off and then
right right
okay
so in code is that what we're talking in
code right now
oh yeah we were online
so now we're on the do not field Police
Department info no yeah infotech
specialist did we just finish that or no
we haven't
clothing that consensus was it's a
position
to be left blank in case somebody didn't
pass the exam is that what I'm doing or
well
that um
tools for Budget you can't carry it with
zero salary well I know that so I think
okay
it's never going to be filled but we
have to I can't even find it in the
budget yeah
and then we can do a budget amendment
during the year
but we'll take the existing position
change into no Jeff
the differential
to it going forward yeah okay what does
the next one mean no increase to
part-time employees Public Safety
Committee Commission
oh Public Safety commission it was not
in the budget and then the
conversational center around the mayor
has
yeah
they missed it
oh my question was the question was
submitted to the no increase to
part-time employees
reference to Public Safety commissioner
who's part-time and anybody else's
Department
I thought that this I thought that that
his job was split into two lines
once in police and one's in fire
do you know what the salary is that it
wouldn't be a full-time salary for him I
thought that one line was 40 something
and one line 14 22.
okay 22-5 I think it is
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right
so what does this mean though no
increased part-time employees exactly
what you say should actually get an
increase of five safety oh no raise 45
okay I got it now I'm sorry 1800 900 for
each
1500 total
okay now reduce Police Department
overtime budget
by 425 000.
I think that's a whole Saturday
discussion
I told you we should have brought
pastries
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where is that
31 uh
21 30 30 31 22 112.
oh no I get it it's 3 34.
so I guess would
how many interviews you're looking at
two or three hires but that actually
offset
400 000 worth of work
31 12 31 22 112.
it's a million eight
we could actually you know pick somebody
here take some of our different
departments to equal 425 too you know
I'm just saying if I don't not arguing
it I'm just asking the question is
we're going to get basically three hires
for that
are we going to get 400
000 25 425 000 worth of overtime right
with those three people so those numbers
correlate hmm
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I think this so that's what this says
right take away the overtime but add
three officers
the amount of officers
from last year on the chief was before
us uh hire more officer before you came
to the Continental hire more officers
while um we're Jews over time this year
again was the same um discussion
um by hiring more officer there's a new
technology to reduce overtime cars so
the question economic interpreter rights
and I can get help from this
reduce the overtime because that will
stay to you and continue to hire more
officer
so when I hit the managing officers were
just
eliminating the hit the time cause
putting down money for as uh officers
hiring officers yes but Mr palamines the
question is if we're cutting that over
time and hiring and the the new hires
are those
funded they're fun they're funding
that's the question
no I understand that I'm talking about
in terms of work
so yeah the hours so if we hire it's
going to be basically three officers
maybe four
with that money are we going to get the
same amount of work in terms of hours
out of those new hires as we would with
425 000 overtime
I understand and I'm not saying not to
do I'm just asking the question yeah
well one of the other things that a
chief said was by US enter into this
axon
um
contract that that was going to reduce
some police hours that now they spent
doing paperwork or whatever they were
doing or pulling down data for their
cameras and all that that was figured in
and that we should see some reductions
there as well
so let's hope that when we do some of
that over time but I think and please
help me out with this that it's going to
be a Mr Williams that there's a ramp up
to the axon and we don't even have that
stuff on hand yet right I mean all that
equipment maybe they're putting the
orders in
but um and then they have to yeah we
have to get it oh online it has to come
online in terms of getting it used so
let's say it gets on online by June it's
still going to take it's not going to
reduce the police I should say increase
the police efficiency because I think
the way that it was it was wood
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um
it's going to take some time for them to
be using the new equipment
um in order for us to see an outcome
um that would make a difference I guess
is what I'm thinking I didn't think
there was that much lead time first of
all I don't know why understanding is um
there was no this already exists it's
not something that we have to buy you
know the technology and a lot of it is
technology already exists
program already
using it oh no I know I went to the
screen I went to the yeah so seminar but
I mean I think that you know they'll
have to put the stuff into cars and I
mean I don't know I'm just saying it's
not going to happen overnight that we're
going to see
um but hopefully we will see long term
the next year's budget yeah I'm okay with the offset I was just
asking the question but I think that's
an important question to ask and I think
with that so I'm not we need to so you
know is it if it offsets and you
know then
you know if I think that that's maybe we
should pose up to the Chiefs I think so
too
some of those savings assumptions were
put in the budget that I presented to
you and that you know we're still seeing
an uptick in crime we're in many
respects doing better than some of our
sister cities in the area but
it's unfortunate it's putting more
demands of the Holy Spirit
yeah I think so too
so that's religion right for me
skeptical watch so you are for the color
of that magnitude and the police all the
time I just don't believe you can live
up to that number
I mean I think we're going to be putting
some more strain on them too if we need
to go with some of the traffic things
that we're hoping that they'll enforce I
mean they are worthy by Major Crimes you
know so sometimes the traffic stuff
doesn't get the same level of attention
but now we're going to be asking them to
try to step up some of that enforcement
new technology the technology that also
I mean like speed limit I mean I don't
know I'm just saying I mean
all right next
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so next the safety Foundation I got a
problem
everything was rolling together up to
the 402 line yeah is that right okay
because yeah but you know we do have it
separated you know we asked for the
detail it comes out but you know when
you're looking for a total number can I
show you the total 404 you know so the
reason we want we want to see how much
money is being spent against each the
foundation line and the Outreach right
and to make sure this body is used
towards what we approve for
and if they need more money well you
know why there's always room to ask
although just a side note I do think we
should re-examine I remember
so it's not just limited to athletic
events yes I have two habits on a minute
let's go okay
so special police officer removed from
Arbor and assigned to General funds so
that is that's one of the things I like
saying if you're gonna cut 124 425 but
yeah wait till 2024.
because that's 125 000. that's 125 000.
and I know we'll get that you're saying
they do a great job down there
present the numbers to us
um
and then property evidence Specialists
that's the same thing is that forty
thousand five
numbers right there do you
all right
it's 40 times at a time
Anthony were these uh Physicians with
the arpa was the benefits also part of
the earth for the special police
officers no benefits
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yeah I just want to make sure no health
insurance accurate ideas of how much we
need to come up with
all right so we are we at the clerk's
office now yes all right so
that's back I think so this is similar
to the
infotech specialist right
somebody needs to be moved okay
what he said yes
I'm fine with that then response unless
we need to
I mean we're at the stipend we discuss
that sniper so we're going faster now
here
so no additional stipends or
like
you know
in our department
five piece we're going to reduce it back
to three a piece
and it's like
so are we on the reduce the mayor's
recruitment budget
um
it's from 25 to 10.
resumes are coming in yeah yeah
only because it gives him if we're not
using it then why 25 why not go back so
he has the original as 50. I got done
yeah he said he'd make it work okay
now
management three percent across the
board
rather than four percent
we hear about how it is
you're talking
um I I think you guys have the numbers
what's the difference yeah oh yeah
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um
yeah here it is
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you're talking about
63.64
000 so 6400.
I think you would have a better response
but imagine that given the four percent
because really if not nobody really said
anything they've receive it four percent
uh even last night Kristen says you know
everybody got across the board everybody
was pretty much happy at four percent
I I would vote for keeping at four
percent
I don't know who suggested that one but
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right here yeah
we talked about City Finance I mean this
is I mean four percent yes yes we talked
about um forever
salary
are we in a position to give everybody a
four percent raise we talked about how
the City Finance is not
really really good
did you hear how much the difference the
difference
I know yeah but every dollars come
towards
but you if if you give three years
yeah I think so
um
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make sure we'll make sure that we ask
every one of them that comes before us
I I think though that also um
I mean going back to the morale issue I
mean they already feel well I don't know
yeah I think I would still support the
four percent and then we will worry
about next year I hear what you're
saying instrument of Aaron but now
what's the race next year but I would
rather cross that bridge next year
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you know every department has for much
bigger races and the four percent they
all were happy about it and the Lego
citizens
okay
we're gonna make the four yes
uncomfortable yeah does everybody
waiting on that
or we just want to do comparison
that's it I'm not sure what John's
talking about at this point I'm a little
confused
you mean the comparison
right four percent yeah
well the comparison it's just one
percent of 64 000 so that's 6400
are you saying no I understand about the
things that we can't just move forward
two or three people saying that PS4 or
three but uh let's just let it go we
need to we need to get uncomfortable the
total budget what we've been talking
about all the way through the line is
that next Wednesday we're going to see
how all of this affects
um but I think you could do kind of
straw
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let's say I was fine with the four
percent that's why I was arguing to
eliminate the new stipends and the
increases in seconds
what you're saying so let's move on that
you're saying yeah until we get the
figures back yeah let's move on
there's no argument yeah
Deputy Finance commissioner
it's a 2200 increase
oh this kind of gets back to the last
piece that we're giving everybody 23 or
four percent
and now you're starting to say that
certain people are getting difference Mr
Ferrari made a case for this position
can you
thank you
well a couple of things just like any
part that came in here and said
something
it does not reflect my position
and I've got to manage the day-to-day
operations I've submitted a budget to
you these people worked for me most of
them I hired
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you applicate and make it more difficult
for me to do the day-to-day job when you
get out in some of these paths
okay
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and just you know we've talked about
bonuses in the world I think that you
know at the position that he's in as
Deputy Commissioner
the other Deputy Commissioner of uh ogs is uh at 104 000 and we're not
asking for
that much you know they're only asking
for twenty two hundred dollars for two
thousand four hundred a month
but I have a zero issue with exceptions
and special considerations
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what's that I think I feel um hearing
from the mayor as well that it seems
like the mayor and department heads
should have those conversations outside
of this meeting but
because we're not really um
yeah
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next one
to the engineers
yesterday
this increase should be given for this
individual
I think the recommendations made so 135
lower than what was last for last
evening
a couple of questions
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TV
215. it was really 119
26 180 actually
I think there's a number of uh a lot of
those benefits already in here at a 150
right but there's I'm just doing the
amount so it's twenty six thousand one
hundred eighty dollars
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if he uh we are from the
Departments of development and the
director
about asking for tremendous of 65 000.
professionals to put this on as a
recommendation
open questions
it's an additional 11
170 dollars
just in support of this position and you
know we the mayor said that we're going
to get like so many houses in
foreclosure that we have to sell and all
that and so that's where um the majority
of this work Falls
so just to be clear about that and and
Miss Diaz didn't say that was why but I
think we all already knew that
but but she did recommend um the
additional
um she did ask for that amount of money
for this position
I think Bernice has done a great job I
just
and it's not just his position It's all
where is this money gonna come from so
that's I think the overarching question
yeah I think Maurice has been awesome
from Maurice that he's a Community
Development
supplemented by the Grant from Community
Development oh so some of this would
come out of there yeah
you know
this report
so the next one is a principal billing
um audit and AP clerk we heard from um
on this position
I think his position was asking for like
about 70. 11 something 17 yeah so yeah
it's 17 increases
something like that so the question was
asked since this is a principal billing
audit work we heard that this person's
also do an I.T work related work
uh the question has split it in half
rather than the 17 to 5006 and I just
made a notation with the number there
but I will have to factor in benefits
also
9591 dollars
yep that's including benefit
okay
the next one is just a statement
assigned to general fund
Mr Ferrari will do the the matter and
the president does
he heat fuel increase
for both lines one is Golf and one is
um in uh it was some place or something
no I don't think it was I think both of
those four thousands
one of them is golf but the other one is
the building uh facilities facilities
was under
in other words these two numbers I put
these in because they were mentioned to
us in the department heads presentation
um but
clearly and honestly I I didn't have the
time but there's these lines are in many
other places and
Mr Lafond actually said that he thought
they were underestimated or something I
can't remember the word that he used
that was correct
yeah
we used to do it more Consolidated
allocation this now it's broken down by
the cartons to give better tracking
uh Anthony should we look at this
collectively because most of these
numbers start to put together in May and
June before some of the bigger increases
happen and we've come up with some
posted each line getting adjusted
do a lump sum of we've we've done that
for golf I've been excuse me for gas
gasoline and stuff like that but then
the console always asks for the details
of it so so we can I have no problem
doing that for us it's a lot easier well
I actually because I was wondering that
as we've been going through and again
it's only my third budget
time but it did seem to me that there
were several places where I kind of
thought why are we you know
why are we not doing this as one sum
because for efficiency's sake right it
was that I mean I was thinking in terms
of some of the arborist Kinds of Kinds
of things that are in the budget as well
yeah but they everybody that came for
the harbors told us their particular
reason why they needed an art person
it's like you know over one I don't know
but I'm just saying again I felt the
same way
you put in the bargain for the artist
you might get the one our first
let's go
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we buy the fuel involved one way and
then it's not like somebody goes to the
gas station
so we could leave these lines in place
but in the final budget the council
adapt and
X number of dollars that we would have
been allocating back to these lines and
if the lines are initially in the lower
level it's both in the center for the
Departments to try and stay within that
I think that's a good solution yeah
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it was going to be realistic
so we're moving on from the next one is
just a statement I removed marpa
assigned to general fund so all that's
going to be the same discussion
the next one we did this yep
so National Grid National Grid hello
remove the 1.3 million of marpa and
assigned to general fund what can I
interrupt us there because I do think
we're kind of committed to that it's a contractual thing it just was
three split into three years or
something I can't remember how many
years yep so we have it yeah it's not stuff
um
yeah
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I
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think so you're suggesting taking it out
of the the question I was suggesting is
that remove it not take it from our
problem take it from General fun because
we're looking at not utilizing our phone
but it was a general fund
because we need to address
comes back with his um detailed report
to us as to what is available what is
needed okay
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so giving the veterans 4 500
.
so obviously go ahead please
so whenever I see veterans organizations
or attempts to kind of fund those
agencies it definitely takes a certain
appreciation for me looking at how it
was funded over the past three years and
trying to take into account inflation I
think if we're truly trying to support
these initiatives regardless of what
they're coming forward or not I think
it's evaluating whether those stagnant
contributions still reflect the same
value to those agencies so I think
increasing it and then keeping this at
the standard I think sends a direct
message to them that we appreciate what
you've done for our country and here is
a small token to help you support your
initiatives which we all know are
suffering stagnancy with getting
attendance so not saying that they
aren't doing their parts but a lot of
those veteran calls rely heavily on
these types of contributions so I think
this is a small effort to contain and
support our service members and I think
it's a stance that the city can take
long term
they just chip Wilson did Centennial no
uh by one of the last things he did the
University passed away in the last few
days but he'd indicated that Thanking us
for the money that it was adequate and
he said that he would notify us if any
of the
groups shift that gives you some that
have gone out of I think uh businesses
pointed out that they had a hard time in
terms of Recruitment and
giving people the staff and
so were we paying full rental for these
yeah yeah this is a
gift once again
and they is part of that of when we
need flag ceremonies and Council
meetings or other things they will come
out and so it offsets some of their
cost associated with the community
activities
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recommendation is that we rename this
line so you can find in city of
Schenectady slash Schenectady school
district 150 000 and remove the Euro I
think we started something this year
with the Schenectady school district and
we heard a good story about it and I
think um
just so that we put you into the fund
and provide service for these youths in
our school district
so so putting this into the operating
budget but taking out the 43 yes correct
so it's really only adding one 107 000.
um
all right
but um
yes I still be our school district and
Mr Farley has been working now
just changing the name changing the
description
yeah so this one here is something that
we all talked about over the years to
finally provide money we don't have
money and now we have money
we're ready
damn I wish everyone was easy like this
the next one um remove
um assigned to general fund police
officer removed from Marco last night
the general fund
same thing with firefighters
but we have the I mean again I'm gonna
probably argue on this because I know
we're going to wait till next week but
we've got the arbor money I mean I I
really feel like we need to be these are
essential
yeah things
but I I will wait to argue with you next
week yeah since that's all we're doing
is because we were holding off we were
holding off when we I mean spend and
still waiting in the mirror or should we
just pull out spend and then realize
that Mia doesn't have any money left
behind so
well I think he's telling us that this
is how he would like to use the arpa
funds but
not to put words anymore
so you know again I mean we could have
the argument next week whatever but the
next one is uh the property tax
um
property tax production it should be
seen today
um the number of the numbers should be
316 290.
50
it was 316 000. even no I told you on a
phone
316.6290 316 290 one percent yeah and
this was driven latest I've gonna thank
you for giving me the number because
um we saw the companies coming out to
their tax rebate of 250 for households
that are yes star exemption I mean the ladies yes
uses and restricted uses of Arco funds
are you cannot reduce taxes right well I
don't think you're using our performance
original Stacks as we can use general
fund if we decide to build his passwords
we're arguing about this may have to
explain yeah you're reducing the
property taxes and we're using our foot
funds excuse for the budget one way or
the other so also I just want to say and
I could be wrong but it seems to me that
with the water sewer trash and this it
actually I think is 2
609 629 but I would defer to our
economists close enough but if you put
this in if you put this in and we're
right around two we're over 2.9 Million
That's not including taking
them yeah oh no I told a lot yeah so if
we do this we have to come up with 2.9 1
million plus 35 something million
exactly
Five Point
and see
excuse me 3.82 345 and then
yeah so you're looking at
almost seven million dollars
what happened to that Surplus we were
talking about that's where you're gonna
have to you're gonna have to use it up
but that's yeah
I said that I said that number before
earlier Anthony was so happy that we had
3.1 million 3.2 million dollars in
Surplus where was that actually you need
it here but it still would be there
we're going to be used we're going to
use it no matter what
you're following you no okay okay
you should hold on to the arpa funds for
at least another year and get your
revenues uh back up
okay so this item here the skateboard
and they were discussion uh in the
mayor's office and some of the members
in the council and 1.2 million dollar
the Mayors originally asked for a
million we were concerned about
liability and now this
let's come back to the table for
discussion
um
for 1.25 is because
um Mr Warren did contact one company
um about uh the possibility of doing
this at under the 890 overpower
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and uh
when Mr Wallen was explaining it he also
added then 250 000 for lighting and um
either streets or sidewalks I can't
remember
however there are other options as well
so I just went with the larger figure
there but
um this is way early beginning stages of
any kind of planning
um there's other Alternatives uh and
that question but I would like to see
escape from the park I guess
because we allocated to the money there
towards the side we did originally to
re-renovate
the existing tennis courts back into
tennis courts but there might be some
play there and so it's sort of
a discussion that still needs to a
planning discussion that still needs to
be finalized but it could be as easy as
renovating the Riverside Park into the
skateboard park which would be I believe
a lot less expensive but it doesn't give
them year-round access nor does it give
the city sort of a kind of
showcase skateboard park under 890. so
anyway I just wanted to make sure that
at least it was included with the parts
of discussion because I wasn't here the
night that you all talked about all the
other parts because the night that I had
my surgery but you also mentioned that
there's opportunities for Grants because
this is
so in this full calls me enough well
although it may even go higher may not
be something that necessarily needs to
come right right under the city budget
and that's what I was talking about if
you talk about um
his money that can be used
um for you know leading up and
access and parking to the park right
yep I mean this was first proposed in
2019 anyway so there's grants and stuff
that are available and hopefully we get
a good
bro seriously I mean some of the other
municipalities I think that that was
part of our discussion that some of the
other even local municipalities have
kind of secured Grant funds from these
foundations
that support skateboard park so
um anyway do you think do you think we
could get some final numbers
before we touch on the uh I don't final
education
how is your meeting going on
I don't know you're not gonna hear them
but before we we know that before we do
for our final our location
yes you have to make a decision whether
we
look at the other site over at 890 or do
modifications for some of the plans in
Front Street Park
yeah one reason why I put that I know
what's on the right side here because we
still have some money available on the
offer that we can address these things
because we are talking about Simon part
about 500 000 we're talking we talked
originally when you were off that day
about Grove Park 500 000 so the question
ever submitted 100 000 for steiniest
Grove Park a hundred thousand I think
these Parks need more money than that
but you know we like 10 years old out to
all of us are supportive of our parts
right and just circle back to the
skateboard um part because I did have a
discussion with the young man that came
to the park so you know we're talking
about either or
they're kind of talking about can we do
both voice can we you know can we
um so just for that just so you know
that that's that kind of request and
thought process is out there yep
the Green Space
the really good things that are
happening in the city and how we want a
skate park that is on part of that right
we want to make sure that we have a a
skate park that really represents you
know where we are as a city and there's
you know and then move in uh looking to
this a little further but
there's like other municipalities that
have skate parts that are some primary
uses the skate park through design right
they they function as other things right
to support community activities
um so I think that we want to make sure
that we're leveraging that and
as well my concern is the current
location is they
people
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uh I love all the people in Stockade
they're all good and just you know in
their support of this I know when you
create parking issues in The Stockade we
really get complaints and so if we do an
upgrade there where it's a nicer
facility it's fancier
it's not going to reduce the utilization
more people are going to want to use it
that's what
um we want to spend the money and if
we're going to have parking issues and
other
impacts you don't want to create the
negative
so the standard depends on 8th streets
is I don't complaint with this problems
I can't go down the street it's terrible
biology England High Street hasn't been
paid in the last hundred years
we pay with
and then immediately the calls are
coming in you've got to do something
about speeding these cars are going too
fast
I mean I think but I think and we kind
of touched based on this and certainly
we talked about it at the meeting with
the skateboard people
um an initial step is just like we did
with the pool project at Central Park is
that we could allocate some money for a
design which would then put this onto
the professionals to kind of come back
to us and say Here's what they think he
said because even though
the design is probably going to be
driven by the site right yeah
890 has
computers
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and you know today you get out of the
construction so you go to the Bridge
Project
it's underutilized space and so is we're
expanding the downtown creating more
Great Space improving the walkability
likability of the community
it's just another resource there that we
could
play on and create
opportunities for me
yeah and can you do it in a way where it
is more of a regional draw than just
a little closer right a little art or
bad right and Troy is doing it under um
you know if you like
I say if I was going down 26th Street
you know from like RPI let's say they're
doing it like underneath that all really
awfully messy area that is at the end of
their levels you know I think that would
be their second sweeper
I'm not sure maybe they have one up I
can't remember
comparison for our skate parking sure
exactly
covered boats
positions
oh okay okay okay okay
that's right before we see him right
after that that's right and then you
know our professional speakers such as
myself
hear about that one
and groat is the cricket right
yeah
originally when I asked for this was
5000 so I'm not sure why the ask is a
hundred thousand now it's Timeless Park
the original Last was 500 000 also
because we don't have that much
that's why I I mentioned just though we
should hold off and see uh final round
number
I'm okay I just would like to see if we
can move forward to be deaf yeah that's
why I would like to see more money
towards five minutes growth part the
Belgium they believe eighty thousand
dollars
I mean these are things will get my
support but we need that's you know look
at the panel from
what is available after we get the
report from new McCarty so because we'll
have to fund all these parts so again no
argument okay
so my question is
that's something we can do like this
time of year I have no idea that's just
my question I don't know
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thank you
okay
it's page 17 part-time clerk no that's
oh I'm sorry oh sorry that was a
question I actually have said to
remember
oh okay
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are we paying one person one hundred
four thousand dollars
yes yeah
uh is that what we need assisted so if
we said that to the other part-time
position so we would need to it was just
the commissioner right but they're also
but the reason no I know I get that but
I'm just saying we make a decision
and are you all in yeah
if that's what everybody yeah well
because if we start doing that then what
about the seasonals
Generations
all right so um Mr Ferrari you got your
hands full yeah
so I'm just gonna say so I'm going to
probably do a couple budgets and we'll
probably do one exactly which we said
tonight I'm going to do one that what I
think will help you
and then we got the mayor's budget yes
so uh if I'm not pushing it
possible to get us out to us Monday
evening Monday I plan to come in Sunday
oh wow
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if there's any changes within that any
questions please submit it so that we
will become Wednesday to move forward
some of your questions
might be answered prior to you being
here on Wednesday
again question submit Anthony will get
this answer to us and the numbers we
have questions on the numbers submit
questions
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um
thank you
Friday they probably don't close their
homes
all right
thank you
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