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hey don't worry

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thank you appreciate that

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there are hours

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something I would like to do it won't

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make it much money

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I guess I have a lot of time

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did you put it in the budget

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that's kind of asking tonight

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thank you

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are you put in all the updated

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information I believe that's what

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Anthony is doing now

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oh God

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sure

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okay great yes

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possible

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uh Anthony is still printing out some

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last the last kind of changes so it's

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going to be a few minutes probably in

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Sam thanks for printing on the sound

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I've seen yeah

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it's insane and I can just put them up

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in your face

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put them up

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I think next week what did it get the

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tree

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coming up soon together it's going to be

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corrupt the smaller ones in there yeah I

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saw them all yeah oh yeah

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I'm happy because coming down myself

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yeah yeah

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people spend the second

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largest amendment

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I like it because there's people in the

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neighborhood gallery and then right us

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that would decorate for right

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field is probably on a plane right now

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to New Orleans for Halloween oh my gosh

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send you I have a

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I told her that but they they they're

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going to these trick-or-treat things

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these I don't think she'll spend much

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time off of burgers

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lots of prayers this weekend

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people give out some certification of

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the type of in the prison review

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I got Snickers Reese's cups and genuins

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so we're probably going to put them in

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back but I think I need to know where

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I'm going to get dressed up into this

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house

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it's Halloween I will not be home

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really cool not a big fan yeah

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see my birthday birthdays I was for a

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couple of years when I was like a

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teenager still living at my parents

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house and I would get dressed up and sit

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outside like that was a stuff yeah yeah

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and I decorated it and I got all this

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candy but it was more like you could do

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self-serve right remember the first year

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of clothing it's like it feels like the

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first few kids actually dumped

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everything in their bags

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we didn't have that happen

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I feel like with uh

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with the camera doorbells you know it

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makes it you know easier I think for

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people to kind of peek that's on what's

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if you had a ring well bills still

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remember some days ago they had little

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treat bags remember the little paper

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ones oh my goodness even if it was just

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one piece of candy

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in a baggie last year so I'm trying to

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find the bag so we can do it instead of

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doing baggies because it would be

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prettier I remember Burger King used to

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sell the one dollar Fries coupons

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love getting those thank you so easy

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coupon go get your small fry there's

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people that actually do give up there

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you know big size candy bars but I never

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got that when I was killed there was one

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block in our house we'd go in the

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afternoon and we'll go back and change

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we'll go at night

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and come back with a full pillowcase

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my brother always had a pillowcase

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all the stores down the street from my

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house used to give out candy too so we

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used to go down there Ellen's going to

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crust from St Catherine is um

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oh like a Housing Development you know

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not necessarily seniors a lot of people

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can't think of the names

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I'm excited they're walking across the

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street that's great

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if you don't have school on Monday

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teachers something or other

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what are you going to be this good job

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I love that me too

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I know um

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there's two Costco stuff in the office

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over there like all the time and the two

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cocker spaniels they have that are

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therapy dogs yeah

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Here Comes Anthony

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we can't leave

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oh no

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um

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sometimes

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it says

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he said it says this says

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horse

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that's what that last word means yeah

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uh

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if you're missing anything else

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well I think we're going to do this soon

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because that's for you

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yeah

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uh yeah

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there we go

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all right

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but I didn't get any water so we should

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have four yeah

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I don't have any water and neither does

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oh I've got a water I don't have trash I

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guess did we do trap no

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it should be water store everybody yeah

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beautiful

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anything is missing you got water we got

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soil we'll get a general

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breakdown he doesn't have particles

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um

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plus the capital

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yes

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everybody has all the darkness yeah

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everyone has all of that way

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everyone has oh yeah yeah sorry yes

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all right um well everyone else over

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here to for this Finance meeting but

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just before that I just want to say a

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couple things uh I know that it was a

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long process and that we but we all work

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together and put in what we were

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interested in putting in in terms of how

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we wanted our budget to look I believe

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that all of us have the same goal of

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making sure that our residents get the

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best budget possible in terms of making

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sure we don't cut any service be it

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First Responders or Wastewater or any of

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that in addition to that we want to make

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sure that there is no undue burden on

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our on our taxpayers so um you know we

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took time to look through the budget

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we've had meetings actually with the

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mayor and I'm sure that

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um as council members we've discussed it

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I know that Mr mciveren has asked

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questions and

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um asked questions ask people to submit

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questions and they've gotten the answers

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to so all of that has been taken into

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consideration as we've done this budget

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I know there was some concerns because

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we had talked about

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um using some um of the fund balance in

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our discussions realizing that there had

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already been 10.5 million dollars almost

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about 10.483 that had been set aside

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already to

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um for lost Revenue so in when we had

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our final discussions with mayor we took

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that into consideration and rather than

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going to the fund balance we're able to

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use to put some of that in so that the

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concerns that were raised by many

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council members of uh using all of our

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performance and also not touching our

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fund balance which has been addressed

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with this uh most everything that's

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happened up to this point has been a

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proposal so I know that this um some of

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this was tried in the Press even though

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we hadn't made final decisions but we're

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here today to make those um final

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decisions hopefully we can walk out of

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this room with a past budget and

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everyone has the opportunity to say what

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it is that any concerns that they have

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but hopefully we're coming to the point

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where we can come out with a budget that

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is um fair to taxpayers making sure that

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the city does not go into debt and we're

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able to pay all of our bills and all

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council members concerns have been have

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been taken into consideration as with

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any budget it's about negotiation it's

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not about everybody walking away from

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the table with exactly what they asked

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for that's not generally how it works

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every negotiation so I believe we've

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done 12 negotiations and we have we're

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presenting some to the council tonight

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to take a look at what is being proposed

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in terms of this budget and

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um any questions concerns or

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uh that you may have can we can take it

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from there and this is the finance

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committee that we'll be um coming to uh

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before tonight so Mr motiv Aaron

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thank you getting everything one I would

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like to call the finance committee to

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order

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and before we go into the documents I

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just want to you know mention a few

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times that um

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hearing for evenings and it was in five

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actually five evening and here we are

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today if you're another session six

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session and hopefully we can discuss and

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arrive at a conclusion this evening

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um I want to thank the department head I

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want to thank

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um as a priority and his staff for

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working with us to answer all the

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questions I mean all the questions

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answered from Mr Ferrari into the

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department head and I think that was

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well done well organized and I want to

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thank um everybody who was involved in

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getting that to the council member and

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have the questions answered and we've

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been able to have a small town process

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at the conclusion of all of that

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many many proposals and I want to be

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careful not changes many proposal was

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submitted to me and I compiled that last

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Friday and I had the opportunity to

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discuss that with me McCarthy and the

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commission of Finance before we discuss

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it on the floor visual proposal that we

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went through in detail

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and we looked at it we at the end of the

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meeting Friday we I asked Mr Ferrari to

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put some numbers towards these narrative

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and to submit to us and he did that

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yesterday and we were able to look at it

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I was able to look at the number

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yesterday and today I would miss a

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Ferrari Indian party this afternoon I

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had a meeting with him with Porterfield

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and look at numbers there were some

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there was some adjustment that

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we made it because

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um 20 20 and 20 and 2021 they were

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already money set aside for um budget

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deficit to help us with the 2022 2023

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and 2024 budget and that was a total of

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10.5 million dollars

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so by doing that and making an

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adjustment we were able to start off

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save more money that is available in

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arpa and she'll put back all the items

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that were proposed to remove from arpa

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funding to General funding that was

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restored by using money that was already

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allocated prior to several meetings ago

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when we were meeting with regards to

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allocating Harper funding so the

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proposal that was submitted was to

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remove artwork funding and to use

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General funding that was reported this

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afternoon so all the items have been

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funded

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what originally funded by arpo will

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actually be funded by Arco but is

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funding from the 2020-2021 last Revenue

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allocation which was 10.5 million

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already set aside so that will bear in

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mind with that allocation and that

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correction that was made we're now

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seeing with the document that we have in

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front of us here in our location

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and factor in the 2.4 million dollars

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and we're using this for the 2023 budget

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which is considered additional

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lost Revenue

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we're seeing a balance of alpha

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remaining from 10.1 million

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10.1 61 million dollars so those were

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adjustments by working with the mayor

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working with Mr Ferrari and staff we

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were able to identify and make this

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adjustment as this was already in there

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so I want to Echo that out that

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our performing is restored back and the

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money is not coming out the general fund

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so whatever was

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document was submitted to us yesterday

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by Mr Ferrari it was to look at it and

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look at how

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this is good news for us

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another stuff

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um let's do a little bit sewer

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based on recommendation

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from last

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[Music]

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um

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Fridays and overwhelmed we were able to

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come to a

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bring it to the council default Council

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an adjustment to the Sewer

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and their free increase

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The Proposal was a

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proposal for sure was 25.24 cents

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based on discussion last week into this

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week and today we are bringing to the

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top full Council the proposal to

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increase that by half instead of 25 000

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24 cents we were increased on that by

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half

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that is a proposal on the table based on

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the feedback and based on a discussion

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if we were to go into water

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same discussion here

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also to change this and bear in mind the

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proposal to changes was that majority of

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us were asking for is zero increase in

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water and so

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there was a compromise to bring to the

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whole Council

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this afternoon and the water is also

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going up by

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half so instead of 12.97 that is being

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cut by half and that's a proposal being

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fatal

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this evening

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the next document that we have here is

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um

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the console budget changes from the

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general fund

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as we discussed this last week and

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these are being present

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to the full console

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and many of these that we have here that

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was supposed to be transferred to the

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general fund are now being transferred

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to our for funding and we keep myself

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with the 10.5 million dollars that was

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already allocated

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so these items are being funded as

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this year are performing until next year

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without Crow funding and not from the

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development

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happiness

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thank you

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also if you look at the top of the page

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there is a based on the proposal the ask

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is to reduce attacks by one percent and

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that is equivalent to 316

401
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290 dollars

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with a new budget of 31 million 312 710

403
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that's the first line on the general

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fund page

405
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and then the Refuge crash and collection

406
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we are asking that we remove completely

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and there is discussion

408
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um being held right now in terms of the

409
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mayor has a programming put in place so

410
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he's discussing his staff and how we can

411
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report in terms of handling excessive

412
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garbage and things like that and we hope

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that we can address that in in a couple

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weeks

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prior to the tax bill will also we can

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do an amendment with regard to how we

417
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move in terms of adding feeds to this so

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the reason why that is being held until

419
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we can get more information on that

420
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the coveted systems we are using

421
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2.406 250 from the arpa funding to help

422
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with the budget this year

423
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and then we are using 5 million 882 282

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from the money that was set aside I just

425
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,179
spoke about 10.5 million dollars

426
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so in overall we're using 2.4 5.8

427
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and then we're taking 3.7 million

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dollars from the general fund

429
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,419
so these are shifts that happen um

430
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basic discussion today and based on some

431
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adjustment that Anthony had

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um

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that I've had and then the bottom here

434
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again is the detail of all the uh

435
00:30:43,799 --> 00:30:45,419
purpose um

436
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changes that um

437
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,539
on the table to the floor and if we have

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00:30:51,539 --> 00:30:53,340
discussion we can discuss we will

439
00:30:53,340 --> 00:30:56,520
discuss this the

440
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General fun everybody has a copy of

441
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general fund

442
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,020
sorry Capital phone sorry

443
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there's one changes here

444
00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:29,690
and I think this has to do with um

445
00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:31,799
yeah the question I was asked on this

446
00:31:31,799 --> 00:31:32,820
item

447
00:31:32,820 --> 00:31:38,340
on the solar no it's the computer parts and things that I

448
00:31:38,340 --> 00:31:41,220
have from the police department 223 423

449
00:31:41,220 --> 00:31:42,720
000 and I think

450
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,700
um Mr Ferrari came back to us and told

451
00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:47,340
us to remove that item and that was the

452
00:31:47,340 --> 00:31:49,260
answer to that question instead of

453
00:31:49,260 --> 00:31:51,360
providing they were asked to remove the

454
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,399
item is not needed so that's the only

455
00:31:53,399 --> 00:31:54,899
changes to the capital

456
00:31:54,899 --> 00:31:59,630
um budget all right

457
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,220
other than that um we are here we're

458
00:32:02,220 --> 00:32:04,380
gonna open professionals and discussion

459
00:32:04,380 --> 00:32:06,899
on this and I think what we have here is

460
00:32:06,899 --> 00:32:10,020
a pathway to move forward this budget I

461
00:32:10,020 --> 00:32:12,960
think um some of us will bring in the

462
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,750
newspaper please disregard that um

463
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,260
differently because differently and into

464
00:32:19,260 --> 00:32:21,360
that and people in motion and run high

465
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,000
in newspaper so I want to say we're here

466
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,220
to work for the people and we're here to

467
00:32:26,220 --> 00:32:27,720
do the work and deliver the work that

468
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,940
people are all the time in and I have to

469
00:32:29,940 --> 00:32:31,380
give you know the mere credit I mean

470
00:32:31,380 --> 00:32:33,539
deliver a budget we must be passionate

471
00:32:33,539 --> 00:32:37,140
about you about your budget and um if I

472
00:32:37,140 --> 00:32:39,899
were you I would say no no but the

473
00:32:39,899 --> 00:32:41,520
council has to do what they have to do

474
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,279
and I think this is a recommendation on

475
00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:47,100
the table for us to go over and ask

476
00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:48,899
questions and let's move forward

477
00:32:48,899 --> 00:32:59,930
budget

478
00:32:59,940 --> 00:33:01,320
when we had our discussion this

479
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:02,580
afternoon and that's what we're asking

480
00:33:02,580 --> 00:33:03,840
we only had our discussion this

481
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,100
afternoon because we were going to make

482
00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:13,850
some calls and we did uh yeah okay

483
00:33:13,860 --> 00:33:17,279
we didn't get very glad so so I can't

484
00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:23,049
support this

485
00:33:23,059 --> 00:33:26,159
mayor is that your only concern

486
00:33:26,159 --> 00:33:28,380
yes that we're using our compliance the

487
00:33:28,380 --> 00:33:30,360
condition of our funds is you cannot use

488
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,100
it to reduce taxes

489
00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:34,490
so

490
00:33:34,500 --> 00:33:36,600
yeah as I mentioned to you this money is

491
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,640
not coming out tomorrow we have seed out

492
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,440
in municipality in the country using uh

493
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,380
money to give tax incentive back and

494
00:33:43,380 --> 00:33:44,820
this money is coming out of the general

495
00:33:44,820 --> 00:33:46,200
effect

496
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,299
The Narrative is that we have to address

497
00:33:48,299 --> 00:33:49,980
that this is coming out of the general

498
00:33:49,980 --> 00:33:52,860
department 316 000.

499
00:33:52,860 --> 00:34:06,590
and that's our fault

500
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,119
go ahead please so

501
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:11,460
um I guess I'd like to know where in the

502
00:34:11,460 --> 00:34:13,440
general fund that piece is coming from

503
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,000
but also

504
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,940
um in terms of the body cameras the

505
00:34:17,940 --> 00:34:21,119
reduction of the 223 000 from the

506
00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:23,339
capital budget was that something that

507
00:34:23,339 --> 00:34:24,300
was

508
00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:27,119
discussed with the chief or if you

509
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:28,379
recall it

510
00:34:28,379 --> 00:34:30,659
does a meeting with the police force of

511
00:34:30,659 --> 00:34:32,940
Mike here Steve the chief Seaver

512
00:34:32,940 --> 00:34:34,619
mentioned that stability they need the

513
00:34:34,619 --> 00:34:36,899
money because they're using the Axiom

514
00:34:36,899 --> 00:34:38,940
they said they didn't want to they

515
00:34:38,940 --> 00:34:41,700
didn't they didn't want to say no to the

516
00:34:41,700 --> 00:34:44,040
money but they didn't need it for action

517
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,899
okay I didn't have a note on that yeah

518
00:34:45,899 --> 00:34:47,879
and I think that was disgusting

519
00:34:47,879 --> 00:34:49,440
yeah you did this because I have to

520
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:50,700
mentioned that at the meeting and then

521
00:34:50,700 --> 00:34:52,560
we follow up the question was asked and

522
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,720
then Mr Prairie came back and says

523
00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:56,580
remove it the question was made from my

524
00:34:56,580 --> 00:34:59,339
notes yes because I I don't have that in

525
00:34:59,339 --> 00:35:01,380
mind it doesn't know that I have any

526
00:35:01,380 --> 00:35:02,300
questions

527
00:35:02,300 --> 00:35:09,410
yes Mr Speaker did mention that

528
00:35:09,420 --> 00:35:13,670
but

529
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,839
let's check because we had so many

530
00:35:15,839 --> 00:35:26,210
pieces of paper that I want to make sure

531
00:35:26,220 --> 00:35:36,530
I don't have everything down

532
00:35:36,540 --> 00:35:38,820
could we ask the chief to weigh in on

533
00:35:38,820 --> 00:35:39,900
that

534
00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:43,700
I actually I should ask you yes

535
00:35:43,700 --> 00:35:47,339
I hate to put you on the spot but

536
00:35:47,339 --> 00:35:50,280
I know that that's on eventually will

537
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,859
have the new

538
00:35:52,859 --> 00:35:55,500
yeah I mean it's my understanding that

539
00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:57,960
we didn't see the additional funding for

540
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,060
the axon project but we're going to stay

541
00:36:00,060 --> 00:36:03,000
inconsistent with our requests to fund

542
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,920
that technology and that was a part of

543
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,140
our consistent request so I have to

544
00:36:07,140 --> 00:36:09,480
check with my seat or see if yeah if he

545
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,579
has to I know we had grant funding to

546
00:36:11,579 --> 00:36:14,820
cover this year coming on but I just

547
00:36:14,820 --> 00:36:16,619
hate to set his behind

548
00:36:16,619 --> 00:36:18,599
that potentially was part of his

549
00:36:18,599 --> 00:36:22,800
financial plan for paying for it yearly

550
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:23,940
um Chief I can say they could

551
00:36:23,940 --> 00:36:25,500
specifically say well you know we'd love

552
00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:27,240
to have another we really don't need it

553
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:29,460
right now he actually said that so

554
00:36:29,460 --> 00:36:31,800
that's on camera yeah that's what that's

555
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,000
what announcement he answered the

556
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,500
question and then the question was asked

557
00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:36,540
again and then the answer came from this

558
00:36:36,540 --> 00:36:39,000
before I read this um no answer but just

559
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,800
to remove that items no I don't need it

560
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,730
doesn't know what I have

561
00:36:45,740 --> 00:36:50,870
I mean do you need the funding

562
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,500
well uh my understanding the 233 000 223

563
00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:57,839
is

564
00:36:57,839 --> 00:37:00,240
three years of the replacement of that

565
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:01,380
equipment

566
00:37:01,380 --> 00:37:03,839
and it wasn't just body cameras it was

567
00:37:03,839 --> 00:37:07,200
computers yeah servers other things like

568
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,780
that so I mean I guess

569
00:37:09,780 --> 00:37:12,839
if uh if that's what he said

570
00:37:12,839 --> 00:37:15,359
no we can correct it if you think that

571
00:37:15,359 --> 00:37:18,770
that's a mistake

572
00:37:18,780 --> 00:37:23,930
I he just didn't make me aware of that

573
00:37:23,940 --> 00:37:26,520
and well it keeps up maybe because I'm

574
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,619
gonna address your proposed cut and the

575
00:37:28,619 --> 00:37:31,020
overtime line

576
00:37:31,020 --> 00:37:33,890
yeah

577
00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:35,060
um

578
00:37:35,060 --> 00:37:43,190
let's address the um 223 I mean

579
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,540
so it's the capital function it's a

580
00:37:45,540 --> 00:37:47,280
capital budget and uh if they were

581
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,220
miscommunication from what was presented

582
00:37:50,220 --> 00:37:54,370
to us the question was asked

583
00:37:54,380 --> 00:37:56,460
Chief you're saying that we needed over

584
00:37:56,460 --> 00:37:57,839
the next three years

585
00:37:57,839 --> 00:37:59,579
I personally don't have once you add

586
00:37:59,579 --> 00:38:01,500
that back in 2.3

587
00:38:01,500 --> 00:38:03,839
so before I open up I want to make my

588
00:38:03,839 --> 00:38:06,480
stand on that 223

589
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,589
000 in capital budget for

590
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:11,400
a computer

591
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,940
server not cameras not cameras exactly

592
00:38:14,940 --> 00:38:18,180
well well the body more cameras we're

593
00:38:18,180 --> 00:38:19,619
almost there are the capital budget and

594
00:38:19,619 --> 00:38:21,480
you had to purchase them right but now

595
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:26,400
it's a soft it's a service okay so we we knew going into the agreement that it

596
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:27,900
was going to be project neutral but it

597
00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:29,220
was going to be consistent with what we

598
00:38:29,220 --> 00:38:31,200
always did we're asking for an increase

599
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,960
right

600
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,300
go ahead please I had numbered his

601
00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:38,760
preference yeah that night and number

602
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,460
one was PD slash computer and servers

603
00:38:41,460 --> 00:38:44,280
and body cameras at 223 that was his

604
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,000
first preference and the funding yeah Mr

605
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,500
all right

606
00:38:49,500 --> 00:38:51,890
um

607
00:38:51,900 --> 00:38:54,359
if there's a support for it we can add

608
00:38:54,359 --> 00:38:55,560
it back

609
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,720
that was a misunderstanding or

610
00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:02,510
miscommunication thank you

611
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,280
I'd appreciate you adding it back in

612
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,640
yeah yeah so Mr Ferrari we even had that

613
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,560
back sorry for that

614
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,440
um in this communication so 323

615
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,140
will be added back to the PD and capital

616
00:39:16,140 --> 00:39:18,300
budget and that was the only change I

617
00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:19,920
think yeah that was that was only three

618
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,240
capital

619
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:24,180
um yeah just to be clear that was made

620
00:39:24,180 --> 00:39:25,920
based on what two favorite percentage

621
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,140
Yeah that would promote based on what he

622
00:39:28,140 --> 00:39:29,700
told us on the question that was asked

623
00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:33,640
and the answer that we got so

624
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:39,050
[Music]

625
00:39:39,060 --> 00:39:55,089
foreign

626
00:39:55,099 --> 00:39:59,119
on this line was for

627
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:00,740
425

628
00:40:00,740 --> 00:40:04,020
306 dollars every Tuesday of a timeline

629
00:40:04,020 --> 00:40:05,460
made out of month

630
00:40:05,460 --> 00:40:09,300
after the discussion and feedback

631
00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:13,500
they asked went down to 256 thousand one

632
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:14,940
six one

633
00:40:14,940 --> 00:40:17,700
that is on ph one of the general

634
00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:27,010
um

635
00:40:27,020 --> 00:40:30,060
go ahead please so we're consistently

636
00:40:30,060 --> 00:40:34,020
over budget with this every year

637
00:40:34,020 --> 00:40:36,900
what makes us think cutting it

638
00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:40,670
is a good move

639
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,260
the notes that I have here is because of

640
00:40:43,260 --> 00:40:45,300
what was asked of us last year to

641
00:40:45,300 --> 00:40:47,940
support police increase they start

642
00:40:47,940 --> 00:40:50,599
reading our notes at a police increase

643
00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:52,800
the Staffing and things that actually

644
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,640
the chief told us that by doing that

645
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,920
we're gonna eventually see savings

646
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,660
coming from the reduction end of the

647
00:41:00,660 --> 00:41:02,760
time and I think some of the that was

648
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,920
some of the arrays and the question the

649
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,300
proposals

650
00:41:06,300 --> 00:41:08,220
then we went back from the original Last

651
00:41:08,220 --> 00:41:13,560
of 425 306 from the 2023 higher that's

652
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,140
the Total Staffing was a 70 Fringe

653
00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:17,280
benefit

654
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,160
but then it was reduced back after

655
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,460
discussion to 256.

656
00:41:23,460 --> 00:41:29,880
and 334 right from 420 429 5.

657
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,160
oh maybe it's a I was looking at it

658
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:41,089
and now it's down to 256 161.

659
00:41:41,099 --> 00:41:43,740
sorry I'm looking in the budget

660
00:41:43,740 --> 00:41:45,780
it says

661
00:41:45,780 --> 00:41:52,630
334 241 on that line but

662
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,480
31.

663
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:55,940
um

664
00:41:55,940 --> 00:41:58,200
proposal sheet that was submitted Friday

665
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,480
I do have that yeah that one will sell

666
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:01,980
you

667
00:42:01,980 --> 00:42:09,890
more detail on it

668
00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:11,339
I was just looking at the original

669
00:42:11,339 --> 00:42:14,640
budget okay where are we projected the

670
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,050
hit overtime this year

671
00:42:18,060 --> 00:42:20,160
roughly

672
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,420
it's probably going to be close to 2

673
00:42:21,420 --> 00:42:24,650
million

674
00:42:24,660 --> 00:42:28,859
so then we're at least 200 000 below

675
00:42:28,859 --> 00:42:31,260
the proposed budget

676
00:42:31,260 --> 00:42:35,900
how will that Impact Staffing and

677
00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:38,839
dealing with issues

678
00:42:38,839 --> 00:42:41,520
may I add response time please because I

679
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,440
think that that our big problem right

680
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:44,400
now is

681
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,680
hiring police officers and getting them

682
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,560
fully trained to meet the doctor that's

683
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,560
been reported to us for Staffing until

684
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,540
that happens we have to fill the shifts

685
00:42:54,540 --> 00:42:56,099
with overtime

686
00:42:56,099 --> 00:42:58,619
we have nine officers in the police

687
00:42:58,619 --> 00:43:00,720
academy right now we have four in field

688
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:03,240
training there's 13 right there they

689
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:04,800
can't work all the time

690
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,960
so we're just filling those spots right

691
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,579
now for dealing with an increase in

692
00:43:08,579 --> 00:43:13,020
crime so making uh Staffing changes by

693
00:43:13,020 --> 00:43:14,460
bringing investigators down toward

694
00:43:14,460 --> 00:43:17,099
Patrol isn't the smartest move this like

695
00:43:17,099 --> 00:43:20,579
I set us back even farther so we will

696
00:43:20,579 --> 00:43:21,780
stay within whatever budget we're

697
00:43:21,780 --> 00:43:24,000
afforded we may have to reduce our

698
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,880
staffing levels to get there and what

699
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,680
that means is that we just don't hire as

700
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,240
many officers to get to where we

701
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:32,819
currently are on a daily basis

702
00:43:32,819 --> 00:43:34,500
and ultimately

703
00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:36,000
you know depending on whether we have

704
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,700
major events it could impact specialized

705
00:43:38,700 --> 00:43:40,680
details as they come up but that's

706
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:45,410
always an unknown

707
00:43:45,420 --> 00:43:47,940
so Chase just that I'm kind of a bit

708
00:43:47,940 --> 00:43:49,079
about something in terms of the higher

709
00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:52,440
income last year and into this here next

710
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,200
year how is that going to roll out

711
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,079
to better serve your department

712
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:00,420
and to help with this

713
00:44:00,420 --> 00:44:01,920
deal with that

714
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,920
well with me you can't seem to get ahead

715
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,140
I mean we hired nine and we lost eight

716
00:44:07,140 --> 00:44:08,640
retirements

717
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,400
and then we lose two of the transfers so

718
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,040
we're while we have nine in the academy

719
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,859
and we have four in field training right

720
00:44:16,859 --> 00:44:19,440
now we have by the end of the year we'll

721
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,599
have 13 openings that we're going to

722
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:24,119
have to fill and we're consistently

723
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:25,859
trying to catch up in all those openings

724
00:44:25,859 --> 00:44:27,839
right now are in our Patrol Division

725
00:44:27,839 --> 00:44:29,520
which is where the Lions share of the

726
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,040
overtime is being spent

727
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,839
it's

728
00:44:33,839 --> 00:44:35,640
the lag that we've been in is going to

729
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,339
take more than one year

730
00:44:38,339 --> 00:44:40,260
but funding is available under those

731
00:44:40,260 --> 00:44:42,300
retirement lines that can be used to

732
00:44:42,300 --> 00:44:44,640
offset

733
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,040
any other costs

734
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,140
sure we always take a look at our budget

735
00:44:49,140 --> 00:44:51,180
towards the end of the year to see what

736
00:44:51,180 --> 00:44:53,220
money is available if we need to come

737
00:44:53,220 --> 00:44:56,040
and ask for the value of the transfer so

738
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,619
there is funding available on if your

739
00:44:58,619 --> 00:45:00,420
retirement my retirements or 10

740
00:45:00,420 --> 00:45:01,920
retirement

741
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,859
I'm sure what else on it can be adjusted

742
00:45:04,859 --> 00:45:06,960
to use

743
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,500
until until you get new hires

744
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:15,319
yeah well it's just a wash yeah so

745
00:45:15,319 --> 00:45:17,880
if we're spending two million in

746
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,500
overtime now

747
00:45:19,500 --> 00:45:22,920
and Regatta Walsh and we have guys that

748
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,540
can't

749
00:45:24,540 --> 00:45:26,280
do over time

750
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,040
then where do we expect we're gonna fill

751
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,300
in the the time that's necessary unless

752
00:45:33,300 --> 00:45:38,220
we actually do cutbacks to Patrols

753
00:45:38,220 --> 00:45:39,140
thank you

754
00:45:39,140 --> 00:45:43,560
any questions asked in terms of

755
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,119
hiring

756
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:46,560
officers

757
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,119
and we have continued to do that we

758
00:45:48,119 --> 00:45:49,800
continue to support this budget is

759
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,500
carrying new officers into next year and

760
00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:55,800
2022 also have officers being hired

761
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,960
so it's a matter of retirement funding

762
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,569
is available

763
00:46:01,579 --> 00:46:04,140
yeah but we have to address across the

764
00:46:04,140 --> 00:46:05,700
board too to address that so we don't

765
00:46:05,700 --> 00:46:07,319
want to say that the time is cut but we

766
00:46:07,319 --> 00:46:08,760
don't have any funding there is funding

767
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,319
available

768
00:46:10,319 --> 00:46:13,990
that can be used

769
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,160
so Chief I understand that um the new

770
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,800
people can't work overtime but will them

771
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,300
now be on the street because you did

772
00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:22,980
send us an email about how many people

773
00:46:22,980 --> 00:46:24,240
are going to get on the street so them

774
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:26,400
going on the street will reduce some of

775
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,500
the hours of the folks who are now

776
00:46:28,500 --> 00:46:29,520
working all the time because now we're

777
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,260
putting more officers

778
00:46:31,260 --> 00:46:33,599
um in the field

779
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:36,300
it definitely helps us having those we

780
00:46:36,300 --> 00:46:37,859
just had four come out of field training

781
00:46:37,859 --> 00:46:40,200
they help us with our midnight shift

782
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,300
right now and then the other four that

783
00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:44,640
are in a field training should be off

784
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:49,619
I want to say by mid-December so so they

785
00:46:49,619 --> 00:46:51,420
will be able to help us out also which

786
00:46:51,420 --> 00:46:54,180
means that you know the numbers that

787
00:46:54,180 --> 00:46:56,099
show up are good we don't have to have a

788
00:46:56,099 --> 00:46:57,660
higher level which is where we want to

789
00:46:57,660 --> 00:47:00,300
get to many times with crime being high

790
00:47:00,300 --> 00:47:02,280
even when we have those numbers of

791
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,200
people show up have a supplemental

792
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,660
Staffing on the street to do targeted

793
00:47:06,660 --> 00:47:07,740
details

794
00:47:07,740 --> 00:47:11,040
for a chronically committed with the low

795
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,599
Staffing that we've had we haven't even

796
00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:14,579
had the ability to hire those officers

797
00:47:14,579 --> 00:47:16,319
even if we wanted to

798
00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:18,540
so it's a it's not even really a

799
00:47:18,540 --> 00:47:20,940
financial issue as much as it is a

800
00:47:20,940 --> 00:47:22,920
Staffing issue right now but at some

801
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,140
point our staffing will get there and we

802
00:47:25,140 --> 00:47:26,579
want to reduce crime that we're going to

803
00:47:26,579 --> 00:47:34,010
want to have somebody available to do it

804
00:47:34,020 --> 00:47:37,200
so it's for me the consensus is uh if

805
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,420
we're incorporating a new technology

806
00:47:39,420 --> 00:47:42,260
into the department and then if we're

807
00:47:42,260 --> 00:47:45,740
refurbishing a lot of here

808
00:47:45,740 --> 00:47:49,319
technological resources recognizing that

809
00:47:49,319 --> 00:47:50,760
those cost savings might not be

810
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,859
experienced immediately

811
00:47:52,859 --> 00:47:55,500
um but again

812
00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:58,260
adding more money to the overtime budget

813
00:47:58,260 --> 00:47:59,940
or recognizing that the original

814
00:47:59,940 --> 00:48:02,220
consideration of reducing it or not

815
00:48:02,220 --> 00:48:03,900
reducing it but

816
00:48:03,900 --> 00:48:05,640
um further evaluating that four hundred

817
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,200
thousand dollars might have been

818
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:08,640
excessive

819
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:13,619
so the new figure of 256 000 I think

820
00:48:13,619 --> 00:48:15,599
incorporates what everyone has already

821
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:17,760
identified as you ask some technology is

822
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,339
going to assist when it does that is the

823
00:48:20,339 --> 00:48:21,839
question but eventually having the

824
00:48:21,839 --> 00:48:24,480
additional officers is going to assist

825
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:25,260
um

826
00:48:25,260 --> 00:48:27,720
I guess it's then a game of windows cost

827
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:29,040
savings actually contribute equipment

828
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,500
but a question that I had was I know

829
00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:33,000
you're making considerable efforts with

830
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,400
working with the community so have you

831
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,819
recognized or do you foresee any

832
00:48:38,819 --> 00:48:40,079
benefits from the relationships that

833
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:41,099
you're establishing with local

834
00:48:41,099 --> 00:48:42,839
organizations as we start to mention

835
00:48:42,839 --> 00:48:44,520
what community policing looks like in

836
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,579
Schenectady so it is entirely not what

837
00:48:47,579 --> 00:48:50,220
is the police doing to respond to crime

838
00:48:50,220 --> 00:48:52,260
or inappropriate behaviors but how can

839
00:48:52,260 --> 00:48:55,260
as a community be surround and and help

840
00:48:55,260 --> 00:48:57,839
guide that change with you as well

841
00:48:57,839 --> 00:48:59,760
stuff it's not

842
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,099
I see a difference and I think my

843
00:49:02,099 --> 00:49:04,680
investigators do too where the level of

844
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,780
cooperation for solving crimes is

845
00:49:06,780 --> 00:49:08,640
certainly higher

846
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,079
um but it's really not something that we

847
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:11,700
can quantify with numbers to say that

848
00:49:11,700 --> 00:49:14,180
yes we're seeing a difference but it's

849
00:49:14,180 --> 00:49:16,980
you know crimes you're being committed

850
00:49:16,980 --> 00:49:19,260
we're making those arrests is it's just

851
00:49:19,260 --> 00:49:23,280
that you know so so I think that uh we

852
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,200
continuously engage with the community

853
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,000
and ask them to be

854
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,040
part of a solution with helping us we

855
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,180
did it last night with Community

856
00:49:30,180 --> 00:49:33,420
meetings and it's very important for us

857
00:49:33,420 --> 00:49:35,040
to get the community to be a part of

858
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,040
helping us keep the city safe it's just

859
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:39,960
a matter of uh

860
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:41,700
getting enough officers out there to

861
00:49:41,700 --> 00:49:43,980
respond to the volume of calls that are

862
00:49:43,980 --> 00:49:45,060
coming in

863
00:49:45,060 --> 00:49:49,550
right now

864
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,160
go ahead so the other position that um

865
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,800
is being suggested to be cut is the

866
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,040
information Tech specialist that is 65

867
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,619
000 that I think was a new

868
00:50:01,619 --> 00:50:04,380
um position I think and I think that

869
00:50:04,380 --> 00:50:08,940
um you were stating that position would allow a police

870
00:50:08,940 --> 00:50:10,859
officer that would be a civilian and so

871
00:50:10,859 --> 00:50:13,560
therefore a police officer would be

872
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,000
um wouldn't have to do that any longer

873
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,220
and you could use that police officer to

874
00:50:17,220 --> 00:50:19,380
actually be

875
00:50:19,380 --> 00:50:21,660
police officer a police officer doing

876
00:50:21,660 --> 00:50:23,520
police work I was going to say

877
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:24,960
um so can you speak a little bit to that

878
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,700
as well because that's also being

879
00:50:26,700 --> 00:50:28,800
proposed as being cut

880
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,400
yeah I mean this is a position that I

881
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,500
have a lieutenant that I've asked that

882
00:50:34,500 --> 00:50:37,260
actually help us make advances in these

883
00:50:37,260 --> 00:50:40,140
technology and what I found is that a

884
00:50:40,140 --> 00:50:42,480
large amount of his time is being spent

885
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,420
doing things out of somebody can do uh

886
00:50:45,420 --> 00:50:47,880
issuing equipment taking equipment and

887
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,099
sending it out for repair this morning I

888
00:50:50,099 --> 00:50:53,700
pulled in he's helping uh he's one of

889
00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:56,420
our guys from the Communication Center

890
00:50:56,420 --> 00:50:59,760
installed Raiders and cars so these are

891
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,020
the things that could be done by a

892
00:51:01,020 --> 00:51:03,000
civilian don't necessarily have to be

893
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,520
done by a lieutenant

894
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,900
so that's why we asked him the position

895
00:51:06,900 --> 00:51:10,859
so that that Lieutenant can actually do

896
00:51:10,859 --> 00:51:12,599
the work necessary to get that

897
00:51:12,599 --> 00:51:18,000
technology to help reduce crime to help officers get the information that

898
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,579
they need to reduce crime to reduce the

899
00:51:20,579 --> 00:51:23,099
need for police officers we've we've

900
00:51:23,099 --> 00:51:24,660
built the foundation of Technology at

901
00:51:24,660 --> 00:51:25,980
this point we just haven't started

902
00:51:25,980 --> 00:51:28,319
framing the house yet with it and that's

903
00:51:28,319 --> 00:51:30,240
the that's where the next step is that I

904
00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:31,800
want to go with it

905
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,780
um so if that position isn't funded

906
00:51:33,780 --> 00:51:35,400
we'll have to figure out a way to do it

907
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,760
in-house and my only other option is to

908
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,950
use police officers

909
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,180
sorry and I just want to ask

910
00:51:45,180 --> 00:51:48,420
um again to Mr Williams I think we did

911
00:51:48,420 --> 00:51:50,460
all identify that it obviously will take

912
00:51:50,460 --> 00:51:53,700
some time for the new technology to be

913
00:51:53,700 --> 00:51:58,079
to arrive to be put into a place to be

914
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:00,059
you know for training and and those

915
00:52:00,059 --> 00:52:02,220
kinds of things do you have any sense of

916
00:52:02,220 --> 00:52:05,640
what that timeline might be at this

917
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,180
point for axon

918
00:52:08,180 --> 00:52:11,240
well I think there's other Technologies

919
00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:13,640
we should have axon

920
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,260
deployed by the first of the year okay

921
00:52:16,260 --> 00:52:19,500
we'll be issuing it I would say a month

922
00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:21,599
or two to actually have fully up and

923
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:23,700
running okay and that's across the board

924
00:52:23,700 --> 00:52:27,180
from Cars camera body camera systems

925
00:52:27,180 --> 00:52:28,440
interview

926
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,240
and then even the virtual reality

927
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:32,339
training of many of these other

928
00:52:32,339 --> 00:52:34,619
Technologies I'm always optimistic when

929
00:52:34,619 --> 00:52:36,480
I can say next year's the year we're

930
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,480
going to do it but I truly believe that

931
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,059
next year we will be making a big jump

932
00:52:42,059 --> 00:52:43,980
if not by then this year but a big jump

933
00:52:43,980 --> 00:52:49,200
and doing some of these things well it's emerging technology so there's no

934
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,059
blueprint in place for us to say yes

935
00:52:51,059 --> 00:52:53,339
we'll have this by this time it's a work

936
00:52:53,339 --> 00:52:55,559
of progress we're we're actually doing

937
00:52:55,559 --> 00:52:57,240
things that we'll be speaking about at

938
00:52:57,240 --> 00:52:59,280
national conferences right at some point

939
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,680
so it's it's it's really cool

940
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,599
interesting thing but it takes people

941
00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:05,780
that don't

942
00:53:05,780 --> 00:53:09,180
but Chief um currently you're utilizing

943
00:53:09,180 --> 00:53:12,300
the central I.T department for any it

944
00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:16,619
related work that is needed we are yes

945
00:53:16,619 --> 00:53:18,720
and just to reference that

946
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:19,319
um

947
00:53:19,319 --> 00:53:22,440
we're actually in this 2023 budget there

948
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,240
is an additional staff for the central

949
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:27,480
I.T Department

950
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,220
so they are actually beating up with

951
00:53:29,220 --> 00:53:32,160
additional Staffing here

952
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,680
so so actually can you continue to use

953
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,420
this office and they're getting

954
00:53:36,420 --> 00:53:38,640
additional staff at this point in time

955
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,740
I think the need is there then

956
00:53:40,740 --> 00:53:44,089
we can revisit it

957
00:53:44,099 --> 00:53:46,980
I certainly can

958
00:53:46,980 --> 00:53:48,900
I'm going to say this in the best way it

959
00:53:48,900 --> 00:53:51,180
makes it helps them they're very

960
00:53:51,180 --> 00:53:52,980
overwhelmed

961
00:53:52,980 --> 00:53:55,079
um one of the reasons I've asked for

962
00:53:55,079 --> 00:53:56,579
this is that there's a lag between

963
00:53:56,579 --> 00:53:58,020
passage or something and actually

964
00:53:58,020 --> 00:53:59,700
getting it done

965
00:53:59,700 --> 00:54:02,579
through Central I.T and this is not a

966
00:54:02,579 --> 00:54:05,040
knock on a lawn or John or anybody that

967
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:06,900
works there it's just they have a lot

968
00:54:06,900 --> 00:54:08,460
going on not just the police department

969
00:54:08,460 --> 00:54:10,319
but every other department that's using

970
00:54:10,319 --> 00:54:13,020
technology So the plan was never to

971
00:54:13,020 --> 00:54:15,000
replace them but to supplement them with

972
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,960
the with an embedded uh civilian that

973
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,480
can actually manage the technology

974
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,579
that's in the police department that's

975
00:54:23,579 --> 00:54:30,589
really overwhelming at this point

976
00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:33,359
so um to that comment of where that

977
00:54:33,359 --> 00:54:35,099
position and that assistance will lie

978
00:54:35,099 --> 00:54:37,559
and just responding to miss Patrick's of

979
00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:39,240
like a cut I think it's important that

980
00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:40,859
we recognize that words matter and I

981
00:54:40,859 --> 00:54:42,960
think that was a the theme that was

982
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,460
recognized from the recent article in

983
00:54:44,460 --> 00:54:46,380
today's paper I think we're just trying

984
00:54:46,380 --> 00:54:49,680
to identify whether the comparative

985
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,140
advantage of having this resource in

986
00:54:52,140 --> 00:54:54,780
your current department where you do the

987
00:54:54,780 --> 00:54:57,180
work you understand the system outweighs

988
00:54:57,180 --> 00:55:00,000
the potential absolute advantage that it

989
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,859
would make sense having this in an I.T

990
00:55:01,859 --> 00:55:04,020
Department I absolutely yield the fact

991
00:55:04,020 --> 00:55:06,200
that they maybe or probably are

992
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,240
overtasking overburdened but I I

993
00:55:09,240 --> 00:55:10,800
wholeheartedly think that supporting the

994
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,480
department who can meet the needs for

995
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,700
the entire city I think is a better

996
00:55:14,700 --> 00:55:18,180
position to take that way that we have a

997
00:55:18,180 --> 00:55:20,040
unified front of understanding what the

998
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,020
needs are across the board and if it's

999
00:55:22,020 --> 00:55:23,520
as simple as well what needs and

1000
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,800
resources that they need I think it's

1001
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,220
easier to best bolster them than having

1002
00:55:29,220 --> 00:55:31,500
satellites and I think that I'm open to

1003
00:55:31,500 --> 00:55:35,109
any comment from afford

1004
00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:38,760
I suggested that that was the

1005
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,400
theory of the council is approaching is

1006
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,280
to move that line item out of

1007
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,079
the police department budget put it in

1008
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:48,480
I.T so we'd be able to hire the person

1009
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,940
and then give me the ability to assign

1010
00:55:50,940 --> 00:55:52,740
them an appropriate manner wherever

1011
00:55:52,740 --> 00:55:54,059
they're needed

1012
00:55:54,059 --> 00:55:56,220
but then based on discussion on there is

1013
00:55:56,220 --> 00:55:58,980
also a new hire I.T higher on the

1014
00:55:58,980 --> 00:56:01,200
Channel online team Department I could

1015
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,260
hire four people we have six to four and

1016
00:56:04,260 --> 00:56:07,079
we can't seems like I didn't want to

1017
00:56:07,079 --> 00:56:11,829
cook so please go ahead please

1018
00:56:11,839 --> 00:56:15,890
for what it's worth

1019
00:56:15,900 --> 00:56:17,579
I can't remember how many years ago

1020
00:56:17,579 --> 00:56:20,040
maybe eight years ago when we merged our

1021
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:21,660
communication center with the unified

1022
00:56:21,660 --> 00:56:23,520
Communications with the county

1023
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,920
while we had it in-house we had a

1024
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,900
communications director who served the

1025
00:56:27,900 --> 00:56:29,880
role similar to what I'm trying to bring

1026
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,099
back here that managed our technology

1027
00:56:32,099 --> 00:56:33,960
but when we merged with the county

1028
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:35,819
that's one of the jobs that left the

1029
00:56:35,819 --> 00:56:37,260
police department and we served to miss

1030
00:56:37,260 --> 00:56:38,040
him

1031
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,140
now even more because we have more

1032
00:56:40,140 --> 00:56:42,000
technology like body cameras and car

1033
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,640
videos this will be before all of that

1034
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:48,119
so that's kind of where we we've kind of

1035
00:56:48,119 --> 00:56:51,359
fit we've plugged that Gap by using

1036
00:56:51,359 --> 00:56:52,680
Personnel within the police department

1037
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,870
but now we need cops

1038
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,099
go ahead what I was going to say is that

1039
00:56:59,099 --> 00:57:01,440
I think we're putting um additional work

1040
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:05,760
into the I.T Department besides this

1041
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:06,960
um when we think about some of the

1042
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:08,700
things that we are hoping to accom I

1043
00:57:08,700 --> 00:57:10,680
think that Mr colluccio when he

1044
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,020
presented to us was talking about some

1045
00:57:13,020 --> 00:57:16,260
of the um needs that even from his area

1046
00:57:16,260 --> 00:57:17,819
to that area

1047
00:57:17,819 --> 00:57:20,220
um might be increasing so

1048
00:57:20,220 --> 00:57:22,800
it seems like we've made a commitment

1049
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,960
and a substantial commitment to the new

1050
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:26,700
technology that the police department

1051
00:57:26,700 --> 00:57:28,319
will be

1052
00:57:28,319 --> 00:57:29,940
um having and putting into place over

1053
00:57:29,940 --> 00:57:32,640
the next several years and

1054
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:33,660
um

1055
00:57:33,660 --> 00:57:37,680
I feel that that really

1056
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:39,960
weighs even harder that we probably

1057
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,780
should use the um Information Technology

1058
00:57:42,780 --> 00:57:45,960
Specialists within the police department

1059
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,119
um as opposed to being in I.T I think

1060
00:57:48,119 --> 00:57:50,460
also and the mayor spoke about this when

1061
00:57:50,460 --> 00:57:52,559
he presented the budget originally which

1062
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:55,800
is that the need for cyber security

1063
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,720
um and the kinds of things that we're

1064
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,599
all facing on but you know that the city

1065
00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:03,480
has been facing an increased level also

1066
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,119
puts additional burden on to the team

1067
00:58:06,119 --> 00:58:08,940
down in RIT department so

1068
00:58:08,940 --> 00:58:11,180
um I hear what you're saying I I I

1069
00:58:11,180 --> 00:58:14,460
in terms of siloing and and that type of

1070
00:58:14,460 --> 00:58:16,559
thing but even when I think about the

1071
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:18,000
kinds of things that I'm hoping at least

1072
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,099
that we will be able to accomplish soon

1073
00:58:20,099 --> 00:58:22,559
sooner rather than later around traffic

1074
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:25,440
issues or you know those kinds of things

1075
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:26,760
I mean there's going to be additional

1076
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:27,780
burden

1077
00:58:27,780 --> 00:58:29,940
um on our Police Department as well as

1078
00:58:29,940 --> 00:58:32,160
on you know some of the other technology

1079
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,579
that the city is currently employing so

1080
00:58:35,579 --> 00:58:40,300
I would still advocate for that position

1081
00:58:40,300 --> 00:58:40,680
[Music]

1082
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:41,520
um

1083
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,200
and I think there's other places where

1084
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,079
we could trim from the these suggestions

1085
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:48,299
on this on this page that we that we

1086
00:58:48,299 --> 00:58:50,299
have in front of us this evening

1087
00:58:50,299 --> 00:58:53,520
just uh basically no say to address

1088
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:54,059
um

1089
00:58:54,059 --> 00:58:55,980
give commentary guys so miss the

1090
00:58:55,980 --> 00:58:58,260
collusion yes he has a building uh

1091
00:58:58,260 --> 00:58:59,760
principal building on it I mean people

1092
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,380
are who is actually functioning as an

1093
00:59:01,380 --> 00:59:09,870
I.T person

1094
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,540
[Music]

1095
00:59:12,540 --> 00:59:16,160
so he has the support here

1096
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,040
in his own Department

1097
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,260
the job description here is inaccurate

1098
00:59:22,260 --> 00:59:25,079
so that's what I am here so that's what

1099
00:59:25,079 --> 00:59:27,540
I'd say so yes he is having a backfield

1100
00:59:27,540 --> 00:59:29,579
here and that person's assistant and

1101
00:59:29,579 --> 00:59:31,500
also doing additional work to my point

1102
00:59:31,500 --> 00:59:33,240
of he's in other words he's not meeting

1103
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:34,660
the I.T result

1104
00:59:34,660 --> 00:59:39,530
[Music]

1105
00:59:39,540 --> 00:59:42,960
rather than having multiple hires so I

1106
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,339
think that's where the note I have from

1107
00:59:44,339 --> 00:59:47,950
based on feedback

1108
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:51,359
yes so with Exxon coming on board how is

1109
00:59:51,359 --> 00:59:54,000
that you know they you said they were

1110
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:55,440
going to be doing a lot of the they'll

1111
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:56,819
get the data and they'll be doing a lot

1112
00:59:56,819 --> 00:59:58,619
of the information you know they'll be

1113
00:59:58,619 --> 00:59:59,880
doing a lot with the data so can you

1114
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:00,780
talk a little bit more about that

1115
01:00:00,780 --> 01:00:02,700
because you know that's what the IT

1116
01:00:02,700 --> 01:00:06,000
people do so how is Aston supplementing

1117
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:07,500
that since we're going into a contract

1118
01:00:07,500 --> 01:00:09,299
with that

1119
01:00:09,299 --> 01:00:11,220
well

1120
01:00:11,220 --> 01:00:13,500
one of the reasons why

1121
01:00:13,500 --> 01:00:16,380
uh this person is important for us is

1122
01:00:16,380 --> 01:00:18,059
the fact that is a technology

1123
01:00:18,059 --> 01:00:21,599
quartermaster for us and and Mr Williams

1124
01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:22,980
uh

1125
01:00:22,980 --> 01:00:25,380
point I just want to make clear that it

1126
01:00:25,380 --> 01:00:27,180
was never intended to take an I.T person

1127
01:00:27,180 --> 01:00:29,339
having work for me it was always going

1128
01:00:29,339 --> 01:00:32,760
to work for John's hierarchy with under

1129
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:34,799
bowand they would just be embedded at

1130
01:00:34,799 --> 01:00:37,500
the police department kept holding on to

1131
01:00:37,500 --> 01:00:40,079
all that Hardware that we need and then

1132
01:00:40,079 --> 01:00:41,819
be there to work on the software as

1133
01:00:41,819 --> 01:00:45,299
needed the axon technology once

1134
01:00:45,299 --> 01:00:48,119
implemented will certainly be less labor

1135
01:00:48,119 --> 01:00:49,920
intensive for doing so many things like

1136
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,960
production transcription and even

1137
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,400
finding and retrieving videos for our

1138
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,260
district attorney's office for Discovery

1139
01:00:58,260 --> 01:00:59,700
all that stuff is going to really

1140
01:00:59,700 --> 01:01:02,220
streamline all that there will be a need

1141
01:01:02,220 --> 01:01:04,799
for somebody to be a liaison to the

1142
01:01:04,799 --> 01:01:06,660
district attorney's office it just won't

1143
01:01:06,660 --> 01:01:09,480
be there as much so

1144
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,640
axon is actually going to make the job

1145
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,299
easier but we will have

1146
01:01:14,299 --> 01:01:16,920
what which we currently do have the

1147
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,859
hardware maintenance piece of it we

1148
01:01:19,859 --> 01:01:21,420
currently have that with Panasonic we

1149
01:01:21,420 --> 01:01:23,819
will have that with axon if a camera

1150
01:01:23,819 --> 01:01:25,980
breaks it has to be taken and sent out

1151
01:01:25,980 --> 01:01:28,799
for repair a spare taken out of storage

1152
01:01:28,799 --> 01:01:31,920
and issued out and of course the logging

1153
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:37,390
and tracking with all that stuff

1154
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:43,670
thank you

1155
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,319
any other questions for the chief

1156
01:01:46,319 --> 01:01:49,549
thank you thank you

1157
01:01:49,559 --> 01:01:53,040
the other one I just want to um on page

1158
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,559
one all the way to the bottom

1159
01:01:55,559 --> 01:01:58,440
fleet manager this was a recommendation

1160
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,720
from the mayor and Commissioner of

1161
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:04,260
Finance so make this adjustment on this

1162
01:02:04,260 --> 01:02:05,700
sheet

1163
01:02:05,700 --> 01:02:08,700
some of the place manager and assign the

1164
01:02:08,700 --> 01:02:17,809
funding onto the assistant fleet manager

1165
01:02:17,819 --> 01:02:20,140
32.

1166
01:02:20,140 --> 01:02:33,589
[Music]

1167
01:02:33,599 --> 01:02:38,870
that's what this is

1168
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,230
um

1169
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:44,280
so I think when we heard about that

1170
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,339
position from I guess it looks like it

1171
01:02:47,339 --> 01:02:48,839
must have been

1172
01:02:48,839 --> 01:02:53,400
Mr Food Show maybe Mr Lavon was it Mr

1173
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,140
um he mentioned that the fleet manager

1174
01:02:55,140 --> 01:02:57,000
position was a contractual position so

1175
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:58,680
it's okay to eliminate a contractual

1176
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:02,540
this is way a city

1177
01:03:02,540 --> 01:03:05,180
this is a

1178
01:03:05,180 --> 01:03:09,780
once uh in the csca bargain

1179
01:03:09,780 --> 01:03:11,579
so we'd be eliminating a position from

1180
01:03:11,579 --> 01:03:14,299
the cscaa

1181
01:03:14,299 --> 01:03:26,390
Civil Service issue

1182
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:27,660
so

1183
01:03:27,660 --> 01:03:30,119
what was the final step on this the

1184
01:03:30,119 --> 01:03:35,230
assistant

1185
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:38,870
right there

1186
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,040
are you talking about

1187
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:44,040
step five that's probably fair I'm sorry

1188
01:03:44,040 --> 01:04:01,430
step six step six

1189
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,579
music here that we talk about this

1190
01:04:04,579 --> 01:04:08,339
last week and I think I made some more

1191
01:04:08,339 --> 01:04:10,980
but I want to clarify it so I am almost

1192
01:04:10,980 --> 01:04:13,880
Patrick you were asking for this to be

1193
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,040
coming from the general fund instead of

1194
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:20,809
um

1195
01:04:20,819 --> 01:04:23,220
I did make notes but I wasn't getting

1196
01:04:23,220 --> 01:04:25,200
along with it so I'm not sure if you

1197
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:26,940
want to talk about it I think you talk

1198
01:04:26,940 --> 01:04:28,500
about it but if you don't mind I did

1199
01:04:28,500 --> 01:04:30,119
speak about it um the reason that I

1200
01:04:30,119 --> 01:04:31,740
would prefer seeing you come from the

1201
01:04:31,740 --> 01:04:33,540
general fund

1202
01:04:33,540 --> 01:04:36,900
um I think that what I said at the last

1203
01:04:36,900 --> 01:04:38,520
meeting was that music Haven is a

1204
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:40,619
tremendous resource in terms of the

1205
01:04:40,619 --> 01:04:43,319
diversity of the audiences that come the

1206
01:04:43,319 --> 01:04:45,839
thousands of people that come throughout

1207
01:04:45,839 --> 01:04:47,640
the summer to not only the concert

1208
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:51,059
series but also the support that paid

1209
01:04:51,059 --> 01:04:53,700
music Haven staff at that point

1210
01:04:53,700 --> 01:04:55,319
um also give to some of our special

1211
01:04:55,319 --> 01:04:58,980
events that take place at music Haven

1212
01:04:58,980 --> 01:05:00,900
um so

1213
01:05:00,900 --> 01:05:03,420
basically the twenty thousand dollars

1214
01:05:03,420 --> 01:05:06,660
um would help support probably the music

1215
01:05:06,660 --> 01:05:09,299
um aspect of Music Haven

1216
01:05:09,299 --> 01:05:12,420
um music Haven itself raises

1217
01:05:12,420 --> 01:05:15,660
um sometimes more than 150 000 in

1218
01:05:15,660 --> 01:05:17,760
private funding every summer to do what

1219
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:19,440
they need to do

1220
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,960
um to present this concert series

1221
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:23,700
um and supplement the other activities

1222
01:05:23,700 --> 01:05:27,119
such as Caribbean day or Juneteenth

1223
01:05:27,119 --> 01:05:30,180
um that happen in Central Park so

1224
01:05:30,180 --> 01:05:32,160
um that was what I was advocating for

1225
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,020
and I was hoping that it would go into

1226
01:05:34,020 --> 01:05:38,579
the general operating budget and thus be

1227
01:05:38,579 --> 01:05:40,559
something that we would discuss again in

1228
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:44,640
2024's general operating budget

1229
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,740
so that's why I had suggested that

1230
01:05:46,740 --> 01:05:48,839
instead of Harper thank you for doing

1231
01:05:48,839 --> 01:05:50,700
that because I made some knowledge that

1232
01:05:50,700 --> 01:05:52,980
I wasn't sure if it's horrible or a

1233
01:05:52,980 --> 01:05:57,770
general form I did say yes

1234
01:05:57,780 --> 01:06:00,180
any question on this on being funded

1235
01:06:00,180 --> 01:06:02,160
from the channels one

1236
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,140
I don't have an issue with having this

1237
01:06:04,140 --> 01:06:06,359
uh permanent budget and we need to

1238
01:06:06,359 --> 01:06:09,599
support music with it I mean we were all

1239
01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:11,160
um and received an email they left their

1240
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:14,160
policies upward of 150 000.

1241
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:16,559
and twenty thousand dollars to support

1242
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:18,599
that

1243
01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:27,290
it's not a bad thing to start with

1244
01:06:27,300 --> 01:06:34,910
[Music]

1245
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:36,960
the other stuff here I wanna I would

1246
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:38,819
like to talk about the youth employment

1247
01:06:38,819 --> 01:06:40,380
um that the money was originally

1248
01:06:40,380 --> 01:06:42,059
allocated forty three thousand dollars

1249
01:06:42,059 --> 01:06:45,319
to the USB Road and we're actually

1250
01:06:45,319 --> 01:06:47,760
making a recommendation to keep this

1251
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:51,299
money in-house at 107 000 to bring that

1252
01:06:51,299 --> 01:06:54,420
up to 150 000 and it's huge employment

1253
01:06:54,420 --> 01:06:56,220
to the city is connected these lives

1254
01:06:56,220 --> 01:06:58,819
Schenectady school district near McCarty

1255
01:06:58,819 --> 01:07:01,500
I'm a school district this year had a

1256
01:07:01,500 --> 01:07:03,359
program that was running it was very

1257
01:07:03,359 --> 01:07:05,460
successful a forest program I think we

1258
01:07:05,460 --> 01:07:08,460
need to build on it and allocating 150

1259
01:07:08,460 --> 01:07:10,920
000 will give them a flexibility to work

1260
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:13,380
for the school district and to work with

1261
01:07:13,380 --> 01:07:16,020
these students so to get them reply out

1262
01:07:16,020 --> 01:07:19,140
of you know so here are additional

1263
01:07:19,140 --> 01:07:22,079
funding and more more students towards

1264
01:07:22,079 --> 01:07:26,210
this program

1265
01:07:26,220 --> 01:07:29,039
I definitely support that

1266
01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:31,380
we discussed this by last Friday but I

1267
01:07:31,380 --> 01:07:35,990
just want to Echo it's worth

1268
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,400
and we got an opportunity to um to

1269
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,500
listen to that photo

1270
01:07:42,500 --> 01:07:45,539
yeah and on the success of the program

1271
01:07:45,539 --> 01:07:47,700
and things like that so you know we were

1272
01:07:47,700 --> 01:07:49,319
briefed on the many things that happened

1273
01:07:49,319 --> 01:07:51,359
here

1274
01:07:51,359 --> 01:08:08,710
foreign

1275
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:12,380
office and we see that there's

1276
01:08:12,380 --> 01:08:17,040
added changes here so any discussion on

1277
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:18,000
um

1278
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:19,679
the affirmative action

1279
01:08:19,679 --> 01:08:20,699
um

1280
01:08:20,699 --> 01:08:24,660
officer and they added staff and the

1281
01:08:24,660 --> 01:08:28,610
expense

1282
01:08:28,620 --> 01:08:35,209
at 1430 100.

1283
01:08:35,219 --> 01:08:37,920
I can say I do support that we heard

1284
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,500
from Mr Mr Gardner in regarding what

1285
01:08:40,500 --> 01:08:41,759
they're doing what also what they're

1286
01:08:41,759 --> 01:08:43,799
trying to do in addition the mayor has

1287
01:08:43,799 --> 01:08:45,779
consistently said that he wants to do a

1288
01:08:45,779 --> 01:08:47,219
program that would use

1289
01:08:47,219 --> 01:08:49,859
folks from that um from from what Mr

1290
01:08:49,859 --> 01:08:51,839
Gardner was doing and the program that

1291
01:08:51,839 --> 01:08:54,359
he's running he has been

1292
01:08:54,359 --> 01:08:56,279
kind of doing what he's doing with

1293
01:08:56,279 --> 01:09:01,739
assistance from other staff but not a dedicate not dedicated staff to do

1294
01:09:01,739 --> 01:09:03,480
what he's doing and I believe he's I

1295
01:09:03,480 --> 01:09:06,179
he's shown results he's shown that you

1296
01:09:06,179 --> 01:09:08,040
know he's getting getting some getting

1297
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:09,839
the work done that he's intended to do

1298
01:09:09,839 --> 01:09:12,540
however I'm sure that uh he could use

1299
01:09:12,540 --> 01:09:14,040
some relief I know he spends a lot of

1300
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:17,160
hours here uh at City Hall

1301
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:19,560
and so I think we should just go we

1302
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:21,239
should do this to increase the work

1303
01:09:21,239 --> 01:09:22,560
that's being done and to support the

1304
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,179
other programs that are being suggested

1305
01:09:24,179 --> 01:09:27,719
and to also make sure that as we have

1306
01:09:27,719 --> 01:09:29,940
different projects that are here in the

1307
01:09:29,940 --> 01:09:31,560
city that we have folks who are coming

1308
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:33,600
through this program we're able to be

1309
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,699
able to work on those projects in the

1310
01:09:35,699 --> 01:09:38,400
city and therefore increase the people

1311
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:40,380
who live here because that's one of the

1312
01:09:40,380 --> 01:09:42,299
things he's focused on to make sure that

1313
01:09:42,299 --> 01:09:45,660
they are be able to gain an income buy a

1314
01:09:45,660 --> 01:09:47,699
home themselves and do all that so I

1315
01:09:47,699 --> 01:09:49,319
know this program is doing well and part

1316
01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:50,580
of what we always talk about when we

1317
01:09:50,580 --> 01:09:53,040
talk about budgeting things is that the

1318
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:58,080
program has to produce or or show some results and his program has

1319
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,239
definitely shown results so I would I

1320
01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:03,950
would support that

1321
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:08,090
and the other comments in this

1322
01:10:08,100 --> 01:10:10,199
the other one I would like to also touch

1323
01:10:10,199 --> 01:10:12,480
base on is a deputy registered and this

1324
01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:13,920
might come on let's put Tennis Club do

1325
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:16,080
you want to talk about this position on

1326
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:18,780
the important and why you need about it

1327
01:10:18,780 --> 01:10:21,300
sorry I missed you last Friday so we'll

1328
01:10:21,300 --> 01:10:23,880
talk about it and I have a military that

1329
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,219
says I should ask you to kind of give us

1330
01:10:26,219 --> 01:10:29,400
a brief a brief summary

1331
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:35,870
on what's happening there

1332
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:38,940
so the deputy registrar position

1333
01:10:38,940 --> 01:10:41,880
is needed for many of much of the vital

1334
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,940
records that we're doing right now the

1335
01:10:44,940 --> 01:10:48,169
state has

1336
01:10:48,179 --> 01:10:52,020
changed many of their processes within

1337
01:10:52,020 --> 01:10:53,219
the past year

1338
01:10:53,219 --> 01:10:54,840
where they've increased it and shifted

1339
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,000
the burden onto the municipality rather

1340
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:00,840
than onto the safe employee more of the

1341
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,840
filing and even printing of documents

1342
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:05,580
where they're not providing us all of

1343
01:11:05,580 --> 01:11:07,199
that anymore

1344
01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:11,640
so it's needed that where we have these

1345
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:14,040
staff Staffing

1346
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:21,050
support all of that

1347
01:11:21,060 --> 01:11:22,679
and I just almost pulled them back and

1348
01:11:22,679 --> 01:11:24,120
we did talk about the principal building

1349
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:25,980
audience on AP clerk who is actually

1350
01:11:25,980 --> 01:11:29,640
functioning as an iot person 1620-100

1351
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:32,159
but straightforward to the page that

1352
01:11:32,159 --> 01:11:34,679
person is actually getting adjustment

1353
01:11:34,679 --> 01:11:57,250
and functioning design people

1354
01:11:57,260 --> 01:12:08,090
thank you

1355
01:12:08,100 --> 01:12:11,640
go ahead sorry I I think that um this is

1356
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:13,440
sort of a general statement across the

1357
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:15,780
uh Staffing lines and I want to start

1358
01:12:15,780 --> 01:12:18,600
out by saying I have the utmost respect

1359
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:20,880
um for the work that our city staff does

1360
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:23,520
but there's also

1361
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:25,020
for me

1362
01:12:25,020 --> 01:12:26,520
and I guess I want to hear a little bit

1363
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:28,620
more from the mirror but

1364
01:12:28,620 --> 01:12:31,679
I feel that over the course of the time

1365
01:12:31,679 --> 01:12:34,679
before the budget was presented to us in

1366
01:12:34,679 --> 01:12:37,500
its original form obviously the mayor is

1367
01:12:37,500 --> 01:12:40,679
the CEO of our city met with all the

1368
01:12:40,679 --> 01:12:42,600
cotton heads met with you know our

1369
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,820
Commissioner of finance and and

1370
01:12:44,820 --> 01:12:45,659
um

1371
01:12:45,659 --> 01:12:47,880
I'm

1372
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:50,340
a little uncomfortable with making

1373
01:12:50,340 --> 01:12:53,520
decisions that are not the decisions

1374
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:57,659
that our CEO has spent time on

1375
01:12:57,659 --> 01:13:00,600
deliberating And discussing I feel that

1376
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:02,760
it is our responsibility because the

1377
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:04,380
budget is our responsibility I

1378
01:13:04,380 --> 01:13:06,300
understand that completely but I also

1379
01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:08,880
feel that the day-to-day sort of

1380
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,040
operational

1381
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,860
piece of what happens here

1382
01:13:13,860 --> 01:13:16,560
um is just not uh you know I think we're

1383
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:18,659
here a lot all of us are here a lot

1384
01:13:18,659 --> 01:13:20,340
meeting with folks and and seeing what

1385
01:13:20,340 --> 01:13:21,960
happens but we don't have that same

1386
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:24,060
level of day-to-day operational

1387
01:13:24,060 --> 01:13:25,980
expertise

1388
01:13:25,980 --> 01:13:27,300
um so

1389
01:13:27,300 --> 01:13:29,580
I don't know if you want to comment but

1390
01:13:29,580 --> 01:13:31,560
we're making you know this would make

1391
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:33,960
Staffing changes

1392
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:35,640
um

1393
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,280
uh again I've made my recommendations

1394
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:40,159
for Council

1395
01:13:40,159 --> 01:13:42,719
to democracy some people have the

1396
01:13:42,719 --> 01:13:47,100
opportunity to do an end run may present

1397
01:13:47,100 --> 01:13:49,679
the council with more of a limited

1398
01:13:49,679 --> 01:13:51,239
perspective

1399
01:13:51,239 --> 01:13:53,820
and but that becomes your final decision

1400
01:13:53,820 --> 01:13:55,620
my recommendation for the original

1401
01:13:55,620 --> 01:14:04,870
budget

1402
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:08,880
so go ahead so I understand what you're

1403
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:10,739
saying Miss Patrick however you know it

1404
01:14:10,739 --> 01:14:13,500
is the council the council to to

1405
01:14:13,500 --> 01:14:17,360
um to pass the budget to make sure that

1406
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,800
you try to make sure that all

1407
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:21,540
departments are

1408
01:14:21,540 --> 01:14:24,120
able to function to vestibility we have

1409
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:25,620
continually talked about the openings

1410
01:14:25,620 --> 01:14:26,820
that we have that's just been a

1411
01:14:26,820 --> 01:14:29,520
conversation for quite some time and I

1412
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,980
respect that uh you know deferring to

1413
01:14:31,980 --> 01:14:33,719
the mayor however it is a system of

1414
01:14:33,719 --> 01:14:37,260
checks and balances and so part of our

1415
01:14:37,260 --> 01:14:39,600
responsibility is to you know to pass

1416
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:41,699
the budget and to and

1417
01:14:41,699 --> 01:14:44,520
I know that the mayor going into this as

1418
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,699
any of C CFO or CEO would is knowing

1419
01:14:47,699 --> 01:14:49,080
that what they present won't doesn't

1420
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:50,280
necessarily mean that's what's going to

1421
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,199
walk out the door so I believe that the

1422
01:14:52,199 --> 01:14:54,179
mayor as has approached this as a

1423
01:14:54,179 --> 01:14:56,100
negotiation process as he does all

1424
01:14:56,100 --> 01:14:58,080
negotiations and that things will change

1425
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,300
so I I don't think that's lost on any of

1426
01:15:00,300 --> 01:15:01,800
us so

1427
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:05,300
um I'm not sure if there's a particular

1428
01:15:05,300 --> 01:15:08,159
Department that you're thinking that we

1429
01:15:08,159 --> 01:15:09,780
you know we've made too many changes or

1430
01:15:09,780 --> 01:15:13,199
we shouldn't make any changes but

1431
01:15:13,199 --> 01:15:15,719
um it's you know it's something that we

1432
01:15:15,719 --> 01:15:17,159
have to really consider in terms of

1433
01:15:17,159 --> 01:15:18,659
Staffing we can talk about it all the

1434
01:15:18,659 --> 01:15:20,760
time how there's limited Staffing houses

1435
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:23,100
where the city is understaffed we've

1436
01:15:23,100 --> 01:15:24,780
heard it from the department heads not

1437
01:15:24,780 --> 01:15:26,580
only just during budget season I mean on

1438
01:15:26,580 --> 01:15:29,040
a continual basis we've had Cohen

1439
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:30,480
Sportsman who is doing better now when

1440
01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:32,040
there was a discussion and said how many

1441
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:34,080
people are missing and he told us how

1442
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:35,100
many people are missing his department

1443
01:15:35,100 --> 01:15:37,040
so you know we want to be able to

1444
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:40,380
provide the best Services possible to

1445
01:15:40,380 --> 01:15:42,420
our our employees

1446
01:15:42,420 --> 01:15:44,460
um are excuse me our residents and part

1447
01:15:44,460 --> 01:15:46,140
of that is making sure we're standing at

1448
01:15:46,140 --> 01:15:50,750
the level that we can do that

1449
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,159
I'm just to answer that I mean almost

1450
01:15:53,159 --> 01:15:54,900
every budget as long as I've been in the

1451
01:15:54,900 --> 01:15:58,080
council we have made changes we have

1452
01:15:58,080 --> 01:15:59,640
made changes and be able to make a

1453
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:02,159
recommendation to us we need changes we

1454
01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:04,620
discuss it we focus on it and it's

1455
01:16:04,620 --> 01:16:07,800
adopted uh and then we have documents

1456
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:12,550
Financial Services

1457
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:15,540
we have to look at the minute also look

1458
01:16:15,540 --> 01:16:17,100
at the uh

1459
01:16:17,100 --> 01:16:20,520
the numbers in the budget and also take

1460
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:22,440
more time to look at we can't pass on

1461
01:16:22,440 --> 01:16:24,659
importance of attack speed

1462
01:16:24,659 --> 01:16:26,880
every time we have to you know

1463
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,159
increments in this budget we're looking

1464
01:16:29,159 --> 01:16:32,219
at passing on some fees increased

1465
01:16:32,219 --> 01:16:35,820
to the taxpayer water and soil

1466
01:16:35,820 --> 01:16:37,620
some of us mentioned last week that they

1467
01:16:37,620 --> 01:16:38,699
were

1468
01:16:38,699 --> 01:16:43,500
followed no increase I myself made a

1469
01:16:43,500 --> 01:16:46,199
followed no increase after talking to

1470
01:16:46,199 --> 01:16:48,719
the mayor I am comfortable to for a

1471
01:16:48,719 --> 01:16:52,560
small increase and yes I am open to next

1472
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:55,739
year to look at another increase because

1473
01:16:55,739 --> 01:17:00,179
we have Debt Pay 2020 believe 2023 into

1474
01:17:00,179 --> 01:17:03,179
2024 and a couple changing the position

1475
01:17:03,179 --> 01:17:04,980
after listening to the media this

1476
01:17:04,980 --> 01:17:07,500
afternoon and Mr Ferrari on how we move

1477
01:17:07,500 --> 01:17:12,950
forward in one episode

1478
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:17,159
about half of that and next year I'm

1479
01:17:17,159 --> 01:17:19,860
committed to to look at that and to

1480
01:17:19,860 --> 01:17:20,760
support

1481
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:22,980
our living flower

1482
01:17:22,980 --> 01:17:25,800
so just on that note

1483
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:29,340
um in terms of the tax cut

1484
01:17:29,340 --> 01:17:31,440
um and certainly I understand I mean I'm

1485
01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:34,320
a resident here as well obviously uh you

1486
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:36,300
know we know what our tax situation is

1487
01:17:36,300 --> 01:17:40,260
but my My worry is that if we do make a

1488
01:17:40,260 --> 01:17:43,739
tax cut of even the one percent

1489
01:17:43,739 --> 01:17:45,719
um what happens next year I mean are we

1490
01:17:45,719 --> 01:17:47,880
going to end up having to increase taxes

1491
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:50,219
by two percent

1492
01:17:50,219 --> 01:17:53,760
um you know or in other words is there

1493
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,940
an incremental change even there that on

1494
01:17:56,940 --> 01:17:59,940
like the changes that are being

1495
01:17:59,940 --> 01:18:01,620
presented tonight in those other two

1496
01:18:01,620 --> 01:18:03,239
funds

1497
01:18:03,239 --> 01:18:05,460
um I just want to get a thought on what

1498
01:18:05,460 --> 01:18:07,320
does the future hold

1499
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:11,280
um if we if we if I can address that

1500
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:13,440
basic conversation that I have the

1501
01:18:13,440 --> 01:18:14,960
commission on finance

1502
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:17,699
we have money set aside from our money

1503
01:18:17,699 --> 01:18:21,900
set aside for 25 October 2023 2024 so

1504
01:18:21,900 --> 01:18:23,760
how can any deficit that's what we took

1505
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:26,100
some money today to help in this 2013

1506
01:18:26,100 --> 01:18:28,500
budget they are additional funding

1507
01:18:28,500 --> 01:18:30,900
available there

1508
01:18:30,900 --> 01:18:32,580
in the millions of dollars to help push

1509
01:18:32,580 --> 01:18:33,960
it that's what you're talking about

1510
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,719
there so if there's any shortfall

1511
01:18:36,719 --> 01:18:39,360
the budget is there except we can't use

1512
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:41,100
it for the tax cut

1513
01:18:41,100 --> 01:18:43,320
um so we have to really look at you know

1514
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:45,120
this other 300 last week we have a

1515
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:46,800
Special Olympics a priority and he

1516
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:48,900
mentioned to us that the revenue of

1517
01:18:48,900 --> 01:18:50,280
looking at increasing revenue and

1518
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:52,679
revenue sustainable

1519
01:18:52,679 --> 01:18:54,659
over the years so that we can sustain

1520
01:18:54,659 --> 01:18:57,360
after Harper is over and done

1521
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:59,460
we have Revenue coming in to keep these

1522
01:18:59,460 --> 01:19:01,860
jobs in the surface flooring so that was

1523
01:19:01,860 --> 01:19:04,560
Mr Ferrari's comment last week to us how

1524
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:07,380
do we sustain these

1525
01:19:07,380 --> 01:19:11,300
circus and uh after the monitor

1526
01:19:11,300 --> 01:19:14,100
and I have one more thing I do want to

1527
01:19:14,100 --> 01:19:16,260
end with all due respect

1528
01:19:16,260 --> 01:19:19,440
um in terms of adding the legal services

1529
01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:21,840
um to city council and I guess the

1530
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:23,640
civilian police review board

1531
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:27,060
I really feel hearing from you and the

1532
01:19:27,060 --> 01:19:29,340
mayor last week about the fact that and

1533
01:19:29,340 --> 01:19:31,380
I've talked to some folks since then the

1534
01:19:31,380 --> 01:19:32,820
fact that there used to be an attorney

1535
01:19:32,820 --> 01:19:37,020
from our Corporation Council who uh his

1536
01:19:37,020 --> 01:19:38,219
office

1537
01:19:38,219 --> 01:19:40,020
um who would attend every civilian

1538
01:19:40,020 --> 01:19:42,060
police review board

1539
01:19:42,060 --> 01:19:44,760
um I would love to see that reinstated

1540
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:46,800
rather than spending more money on an

1541
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:50,159
additional attorney and with that in

1542
01:19:50,159 --> 01:19:51,719
terms of you know discussion and

1543
01:19:51,719 --> 01:19:54,480
compromise Etc I really don't think that

1544
01:19:54,480 --> 01:19:58,260
we need to add an attorney

1545
01:19:58,260 --> 01:20:00,960
um for city council I just

1546
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:04,260
um you know as I said last week

1547
01:20:04,260 --> 01:20:06,540
um I think that

1548
01:20:06,540 --> 01:20:10,739
in terms of the support that we get from

1549
01:20:10,739 --> 01:20:13,380
our Corporation Council when any of us

1550
01:20:13,380 --> 01:20:16,380
have an issue or a question or something

1551
01:20:16,380 --> 01:20:18,900
that you know we need legal a legal

1552
01:20:18,900 --> 01:20:21,239
opinion I guess I would say

1553
01:20:21,239 --> 01:20:25,140
um I have been completely satisfied

1554
01:20:25,140 --> 01:20:26,880
um and I don't think it's been too much

1555
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:28,320
of an additional burden I think probably

1556
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:30,360
in the three years that I've that I've

1557
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:33,960
been on Console I've probably you know

1558
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:36,960
could count on my on one hand maybe

1559
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:39,320
um and you know Mr Golden has always

1560
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:43,140
either met with me or certainly You Know

1561
01:20:43,140 --> 01:20:46,320
spoken with me about my concerns so

1562
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:48,420
I don't know I don't want to put you on

1563
01:20:48,420 --> 01:20:50,280
the spot but I just don't see the need

1564
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:51,960
at least for

1565
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:54,360
um an additional hire

1566
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:56,400
um to work with city council I just

1567
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:57,420
think that's

1568
01:20:57,420 --> 01:20:59,580
spending money that we don't we don't

1569
01:20:59,580 --> 01:21:02,100
need because we have you know the

1570
01:21:02,100 --> 01:21:03,600
expertise here and the corporation

1571
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:05,580
council's office

1572
01:21:05,580 --> 01:21:07,260
just to clarify we're not we would we

1573
01:21:07,260 --> 01:21:08,640
put it we wouldn't have hired someone

1574
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,880
here that's what we're talking about fees for services so

1575
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:14,760
if all right but okay I just mean it's

1576
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:17,100
fifty thousand dollars that I don't

1577
01:21:17,100 --> 01:21:18,659
really really think that we need to

1578
01:21:18,659 --> 01:21:20,400
spend additionally if we're looking for

1579
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:23,250
ways to you know make up for example the

1580
01:21:23,250 --> 01:21:23,520
[Music]

1581
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:24,600
um

1582
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:27,659
you know the 316 000 or any of these

1583
01:21:27,659 --> 01:21:29,880
other changes that would be a place that

1584
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,520
I think that we could eliminate some

1585
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:34,860
money from from this proposal

1586
01:21:34,860 --> 01:21:38,640
my question is you so you're saying that

1587
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:41,699
um due to your your experience of you

1588
01:21:41,699 --> 01:21:43,500
know speaking from your experience that

1589
01:21:43,500 --> 01:21:44,880
um

1590
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:47,400
that we have I know you have more than

1591
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:49,560
adequate legal support for City Council

1592
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,790
election position right

1593
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:55,739
for the police Community review board

1594
01:21:55,739 --> 01:22:01,020
um you don't think that uh they need any

1595
01:22:01,020 --> 01:22:03,360
outside counsel that they would need I'd

1596
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:05,580
like to see us return to the model that

1597
01:22:05,580 --> 01:22:08,340
existed when Mr motivator for example

1598
01:22:08,340 --> 01:22:11,280
was on the civilian police review board

1599
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:13,860
um where someone from our Corporation

1600
01:22:13,860 --> 01:22:15,480
council's office and I understand that

1601
01:22:15,480 --> 01:22:18,600
this would you know add to uh once a

1602
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:20,640
month the work of your office but

1603
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:22,140
apparently

1604
01:22:22,140 --> 01:22:23,880
um there was someone from that office

1605
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,219
that would would attend every civilian

1606
01:22:26,219 --> 01:22:28,080
produced review board meeting and I

1607
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:29,520
think also the fact is that we have the

1608
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:32,340
commissioner of Public Safety as well

1609
01:22:32,340 --> 01:22:35,400
um you know we'll also can lend

1610
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:39,360
um Council to the civilian police report

1611
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:43,020
as well so I just throw that out there

1612
01:22:43,020 --> 01:22:44,580
and open the circus session and

1613
01:22:44,580 --> 01:22:47,760
compromise yeah so I guess my question

1614
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:49,199
is so

1615
01:22:49,199 --> 01:22:51,420
have you spoken to anyone from the

1616
01:22:51,420 --> 01:22:53,520
police review board about this issue

1617
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:55,560
since last time we met I did yeah okay

1618
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:57,239
and they gave they told you that they

1619
01:22:57,239 --> 01:22:58,620
didn't think that they needed the person

1620
01:22:58,620 --> 01:23:00,960
that I spoke to had formally actually

1621
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:02,699
also been on the civilian police review

1622
01:23:02,699 --> 01:23:05,880
board and also expressed some problems

1623
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:07,260
um that someone from the corporation

1624
01:23:07,260 --> 01:23:09,780
council's office no longer met with the

1625
01:23:09,780 --> 01:23:11,760
civilian police review board on a

1626
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:14,580
regular basis and so in other words I

1627
01:23:14,580 --> 01:23:16,560
thought that that would be fun okay so

1628
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:18,540
they so they were saying that this used

1629
01:23:18,540 --> 01:23:20,100
to happen this practice is no longer

1630
01:23:20,100 --> 01:23:21,480
happening so they're saying it returned

1631
01:23:21,480 --> 01:23:23,640
to that progress okay so what I would

1632
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:24,840
say too is that you know the

1633
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:27,600
conversations that I had with people

1634
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:30,420
um I think that this board is is very

1635
01:23:30,420 --> 01:23:32,340
unique to the other boards they serve a

1636
01:23:32,340 --> 01:23:35,880
very unique uh a need and

1637
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:39,480
the idea that you know we are limiting

1638
01:23:39,480 --> 01:23:40,980
which

1639
01:23:40,980 --> 01:23:43,440
I see and they the person I spoke to

1640
01:23:43,440 --> 01:23:46,140
agreed that we would be kind of limiting

1641
01:23:46,140 --> 01:23:49,580
their resources to do this already very

1642
01:23:49,580 --> 01:23:52,440
important uh job

1643
01:23:52,440 --> 01:23:54,960
so I I don't see why why we wanted to do

1644
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:57,179
that and we can't again to me in my

1645
01:23:57,179 --> 01:23:59,340
opinion we can't kind of and I'm not

1646
01:23:59,340 --> 01:24:00,840
saying you're doing this I'm saying you

1647
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:02,880
know this is what I don't want to do I

1648
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:05,219
don't want to pay lip service to say how

1649
01:24:05,219 --> 01:24:07,260
important this is and then the people

1650
01:24:07,260 --> 01:24:09,960
who are in the position to do the job

1651
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:12,000
that we're recommending and asking them

1652
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:14,699
to do if they're asking um and saying

1653
01:24:14,699 --> 01:24:15,960
that there's a need for that and we have

1654
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:17,520
the means to meet that need then we need

1655
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:19,140
to do that because it's not I feel like

1656
01:24:19,140 --> 01:24:21,480
we're not we're just kind of

1657
01:24:21,480 --> 01:24:23,760
checking that box effect it's important

1658
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:25,679
but

1659
01:24:25,679 --> 01:24:28,199
you know you can get your needs met this

1660
01:24:28,199 --> 01:24:31,560
way when they have a very specific uh

1661
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:35,219
kind of uh very unique role in that

1662
01:24:35,219 --> 01:24:37,020
board and there's a lot of other uh

1663
01:24:37,020 --> 01:24:39,300
variables but a lot of tensions that

1664
01:24:39,300 --> 01:24:40,560
they have to balance to certain that

1665
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:43,080
capacity so I just don't see how he

1666
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:45,179
would

1667
01:24:45,179 --> 01:24:47,219
understand the complexity and the

1668
01:24:47,219 --> 01:24:49,040
gravity of what they do without

1669
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:52,640
resourcing them adequately

1670
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:55,920
I think that's the manor and the chief I

1671
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:58,980
think you meet regularly with the

1672
01:24:58,980 --> 01:25:00,120
leadership

1673
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:04,080
has the leadership ever asked for this

1674
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:07,320
or said that none of their needs are

1675
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:09,199
being met

1676
01:25:09,199 --> 01:25:12,780
like just back up I think they said

1677
01:25:12,780 --> 01:25:14,340
there was always a Corporation Council

1678
01:25:14,340 --> 01:25:16,380
to me I'm not sure that was 100 true but

1679
01:25:16,380 --> 01:25:18,840
like 90 some percent of the time they

1680
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:22,080
would have somebody there and what seems

1681
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:24,540
to have collapse somehow was the request

1682
01:25:24,540 --> 01:25:26,760
getting to the corporation council's

1683
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:28,199
office that there was going to be a

1684
01:25:28,199 --> 01:25:28,920
meeting

1685
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:31,860
so that where we haven't been Staffing

1686
01:25:31,860 --> 01:25:34,260
it the request hasn't been put in

1687
01:25:34,260 --> 01:25:36,120
or something to be there it's like oh

1688
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:37,640
I'm not blaming yeah

1689
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:40,500
please go ahead um we've actually spoke

1690
01:25:40,500 --> 01:25:42,780
to Scott Barbara Rich over at the police

1691
01:25:42,780 --> 01:25:47,390
department recently who um

1692
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:49,140
Daryl Mallard

1693
01:25:49,140 --> 01:25:52,020
um in the past so prior to maybe

1694
01:25:52,020 --> 01:25:53,820
becoming a Corporation Council back in

1695
01:25:53,820 --> 01:25:56,699
uh Mr Valentino in this Corporation

1696
01:25:56,699 --> 01:25:58,040
Council

1697
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:01,679
we attended I attended

1698
01:26:01,679 --> 01:26:02,760
um

1699
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:07,370
a smattering of cprb meetings

1700
01:26:07,380 --> 01:26:10,560
I can think on one occasion a question

1701
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:13,320
came up for me during those meetings

1702
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:15,920
because generally what had happened was

1703
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:18,600
I think at the time dick shave was still

1704
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:21,060
the chairperson who had been chair for

1705
01:26:21,060 --> 01:26:23,760
quite a while obviously and I know you

1706
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:25,520
know council president Williams

1707
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:28,760
eventually joined uh

1708
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:31,739
the questions were more geared toward

1709
01:26:31,739 --> 01:26:35,699
and from when I was there

1710
01:26:35,699 --> 01:26:38,360
questions about materials

1711
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:41,340
not so much legal questions of any sort

1712
01:26:41,340 --> 01:26:44,760
and obviously I'm you know available if

1713
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:48,840
a question ever came up and sticking to

1714
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:49,440
um

1715
01:26:49,440 --> 01:26:51,900
officer bobrowman she indicated that you

1716
01:26:51,900 --> 01:26:53,659
know there haven't been

1717
01:26:53,659 --> 01:26:57,900
a whole lot of cprb meetings at times

1718
01:26:57,900 --> 01:27:01,020
because of Quorum issues I think there

1719
01:27:01,020 --> 01:27:03,179
may have you know I know this is this is

1720
01:27:03,179 --> 01:27:05,040
a quorum issue that actually went back

1721
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:08,040
quite a ways right but I think there may

1722
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:10,320
have been at least I think I don't know

1723
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:11,940
maybe four or five meetings that didn't

1724
01:27:11,940 --> 01:27:13,639
happen because they couldn't get a form

1725
01:27:13,639 --> 01:27:17,360
that being said you know I'm available

1726
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:19,739
you know certainly you know if there are

1727
01:27:19,739 --> 01:27:22,020
questions that you know that are arising

1728
01:27:22,020 --> 01:27:23,400
during those meetings or questions

1729
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:27,179
related to process or processes in

1730
01:27:27,179 --> 01:27:29,100
person you know obviously I have you

1731
01:27:29,100 --> 01:27:31,860
know the utmost faith and and the police

1732
01:27:31,860 --> 01:27:33,480
officers who sat the meeting to make

1733
01:27:33,480 --> 01:27:35,580
sure that materials are there and you

1734
01:27:35,580 --> 01:27:38,040
know the

1735
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:40,560
um the folks who are on the cprb you

1736
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:44,340
know know that what's in Chapter 93 I'm

1737
01:27:44,340 --> 01:27:46,199
planning to attend the next meeting I've

1738
01:27:46,199 --> 01:27:48,300
already prepared a PowerPoint to kind of

1739
01:27:48,300 --> 01:27:51,540
go over what's in Chapter 93 go over the

1740
01:27:51,540 --> 01:27:54,360
you know the responsibilities and you

1741
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:56,280
know the rules and the obligations and

1742
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:58,679
the bylaws Etc so that you know

1743
01:27:58,679 --> 01:28:00,780
everybody's really starting on playing

1744
01:28:00,780 --> 01:28:01,880
field

1745
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:05,219
you know if you want my two Sunset

1746
01:28:05,219 --> 01:28:07,080
outside counsel I'm happy to provide

1747
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:08,580
that

1748
01:28:08,580 --> 01:28:09,540
um

1749
01:28:09,540 --> 01:28:12,260
I think you know

1750
01:28:12,260 --> 01:28:14,520
my office has been short staffed

1751
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:16,620
Networks

1752
01:28:16,620 --> 01:28:19,440
I don't say with bone thin but it's just

1753
01:28:19,440 --> 01:28:21,120
for as it is right now it's just me and

1754
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:22,800
one other person that's full-time

1755
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:24,179
determines

1756
01:28:24,179 --> 01:28:26,940
we have a part-time attorney

1757
01:28:26,940 --> 01:28:28,400
as well

1758
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:31,440
you know we do our best to staff you

1759
01:28:31,440 --> 01:28:32,820
know those meetings were legal questions

1760
01:28:32,820 --> 01:28:36,060
tend to come up and we've said if for

1761
01:28:36,060 --> 01:28:37,800
some reason we can't stop a particular

1762
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:39,719
meeting if there's an issue that comes

1763
01:28:39,719 --> 01:28:42,420
up that could not be addressed at that

1764
01:28:42,420 --> 01:28:44,580
point in time to you know if they can

1765
01:28:44,580 --> 01:28:47,040
table the issue their cable the matter

1766
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:49,920
and you know bring it to us but or if

1767
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:52,980
they know anticipate that there's going

1768
01:28:52,980 --> 01:28:54,540
to be a legal question let us know in

1769
01:28:54,540 --> 01:28:57,179
advance so we can be there now if you

1770
01:28:57,179 --> 01:28:59,460
know this is the first time that I've

1771
01:28:59,460 --> 01:29:01,860
seen on paper this you know allocation

1772
01:29:01,860 --> 01:29:04,199
for outside Council to the police review

1773
01:29:04,199 --> 01:29:06,179
board but apparently there's apparently

1774
01:29:06,179 --> 01:29:08,760
there's been some issue that hasn't been

1775
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:11,699
brought my attention about the use of

1776
01:29:11,699 --> 01:29:13,620
you know about legal questions coming up

1777
01:29:13,620 --> 01:29:15,960
during the cprb meetings I'm happy to

1778
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:18,239
you know make sure that either I attend

1779
01:29:18,239 --> 01:29:20,639
the meeting or my assistant Corporation

1780
01:29:20,639 --> 01:29:22,020
Council attends the meeting to address

1781
01:29:22,020 --> 01:29:27,000
those issues and it's obviously like any other time if there's a legal

1782
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:29,100
question that we can address we don't

1783
01:29:29,100 --> 01:29:31,380
know everything we can't know everything

1784
01:29:31,380 --> 01:29:34,080
about the law but I'm happy to you know

1785
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:35,940
don't reach out to outside counsel

1786
01:29:35,940 --> 01:29:37,800
obtain outside counsel because one thing

1787
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:40,620
I don't want to do is obviously provide

1788
01:29:40,620 --> 01:29:42,840
bad legal advice right take early

1789
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:45,540
because I I you know I believe in cprb I

1790
01:29:45,540 --> 01:29:46,920
know the sensitive issues that they deal

1791
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:49,739
with and because of that it's it's

1792
01:29:49,739 --> 01:29:51,600
important right that if we're going to

1793
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:53,159
provide a little advice that you know we

1794
01:29:53,159 --> 01:29:54,900
get it right and if we don't know the

1795
01:29:54,900 --> 01:29:57,060
answer we don't make up an answer we

1796
01:29:57,060 --> 01:30:01,199
refer it out to outside counsel so

1797
01:30:01,199 --> 01:30:04,080
my my take on it is you know I have my

1798
01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:06,239
own outside counsel like you know that's

1799
01:30:06,239 --> 01:30:08,400
in part of my budget I'd rather try to

1800
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:09,960
address this in-house because I think

1801
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:11,820
it's a better use of dollars and cents

1802
01:30:11,820 --> 01:30:13,860
and see if we can address the issue and

1803
01:30:13,860 --> 01:30:15,540
you know we'll commit to going to the

1804
01:30:15,540 --> 01:30:18,420
cprb meetings on a regular occasion

1805
01:30:18,420 --> 01:30:20,580
um and if we can't answer those legal

1806
01:30:20,580 --> 01:30:22,679
questions we'll refer to outside counsel

1807
01:30:22,679 --> 01:30:25,260
we'll seek outside council's advice to

1808
01:30:25,260 --> 01:30:27,120
address those concerns

1809
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:29,340
so my question is so if we budget for

1810
01:30:29,340 --> 01:30:30,540
this

1811
01:30:30,540 --> 01:30:32,639
and because again I think that what

1812
01:30:32,639 --> 01:30:35,340
we're we don't want to pin to good

1813
01:30:35,340 --> 01:30:37,080
practices against each other and that's

1814
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:39,060
what I don't want to see us do so I

1815
01:30:39,060 --> 01:30:40,860
think that I appreciate

1816
01:30:40,860 --> 01:30:42,480
um you know kind of your office

1817
01:30:42,480 --> 01:30:44,100
recommitting to attending these meetings

1818
01:30:44,100 --> 01:30:45,960
I think that that is really a beneficial

1819
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:48,120
thing and into the capacity that you

1820
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:49,500
could do so I'm sure that they would

1821
01:30:49,500 --> 01:30:51,300
appreciate it as well

1822
01:30:51,300 --> 01:30:52,139
um

1823
01:30:52,139 --> 01:30:54,179
so I think that that's a yes and then

1824
01:30:54,179 --> 01:30:55,860
the and would be

1825
01:30:55,860 --> 01:30:58,199
um you know because what happens if we

1826
01:30:58,199 --> 01:31:01,080
budget for this money and then your

1827
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:03,300
office is able to

1828
01:31:03,300 --> 01:31:05,639
handle all the issues in-house and we

1829
01:31:05,639 --> 01:31:06,960
don't end up spending that money that

1830
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:09,179
money then we'll return to the general

1831
01:31:09,179 --> 01:31:11,880
fund is that fun okay so so therefore

1832
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:15,420
it's if we need if they need the money

1833
01:31:15,420 --> 01:31:18,719
for outside counsel and decide that they

1834
01:31:18,719 --> 01:31:20,760
want to use the money they can but

1835
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:23,400
however if your offices has the capacity

1836
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:24,960
to cover it then they won't then they

1837
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:27,360
won't use it so what so what I would

1838
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:30,659
suggest is that we do both we make sure

1839
01:31:30,659 --> 01:31:33,000
that we give them a fund a funding line

1840
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:34,620
and allocate funds of that because we

1841
01:31:34,620 --> 01:31:36,960
say that this is important to us we say

1842
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:38,880
that that this is this we understand the

1843
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:40,560
complexity of what they're asked to do

1844
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:42,239
and all the tensions that they have to

1845
01:31:42,239 --> 01:31:45,420
balance right and if

1846
01:31:45,420 --> 01:31:48,420
they're requesting that but they are we

1847
01:31:48,420 --> 01:31:50,699
give it to them and then we give them

1848
01:31:50,699 --> 01:31:52,679
the support through Corporation Council

1849
01:31:52,679 --> 01:31:54,780
as much as we possibly can and then if

1850
01:31:54,780 --> 01:31:55,560
that

1851
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:57,540
meets the need then why would they need

1852
01:31:57,540 --> 01:31:58,860
to spend the money and then we would be

1853
01:31:58,860 --> 01:32:02,709
we would lose nothing for it

1854
01:32:02,719 --> 01:32:05,580
so I never got my question answered

1855
01:32:05,580 --> 01:32:09,239
about have you met regularly when the

1856
01:32:09,239 --> 01:32:11,639
cprb leadership have they requested

1857
01:32:11,639 --> 01:32:14,460
anything and has it ever been denied and

1858
01:32:14,460 --> 01:32:16,980
I've never actually seen a request for

1859
01:32:16,980 --> 01:32:20,760
this the individuals I've spoken to have

1860
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:23,900
indicated have not indicated that they

1861
01:32:23,900 --> 01:32:26,100
they've never asked her so I'll just put

1862
01:32:26,100 --> 01:32:27,840
it that way

1863
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:30,780
I do meet them regularly I don't take

1864
01:32:30,780 --> 01:32:34,440
monthly meetings I I send my Office

1865
01:32:34,440 --> 01:32:36,840
Professional Standards there

1866
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:38,520
um if I do meet you there regularly I

1867
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:43,500
would say it's it's twice a year and um

1868
01:32:43,500 --> 01:32:45,000
they've never brought anything to my

1869
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:47,580
attention asked me for legal advice more

1870
01:32:47,580 --> 01:32:50,880
broadly concerns that's my role is to

1871
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:52,620
continuously ask them if they need

1872
01:32:52,620 --> 01:32:54,120
anything more from me is the process

1873
01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:55,560
working for you

1874
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:57,300
and then I leave it at that I try to

1875
01:32:57,300 --> 01:33:04,189
stay separated

1876
01:33:04,199 --> 01:33:06,360
and again I would I would say you know

1877
01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:08,159
in in the just in the spirit of having

1878
01:33:08,159 --> 01:33:10,560
true and honest um dialogue and role

1879
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:12,719
clarification and I think that

1880
01:33:12,719 --> 01:33:15,960
um someone who is tasked with

1881
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:19,620
um a pretty delicate uh you know job of

1882
01:33:19,620 --> 01:33:22,380
kind of oversight and inquiry

1883
01:33:22,380 --> 01:33:23,340
um

1884
01:33:23,340 --> 01:33:26,400
I didn't expect them to go to the chief

1885
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:29,880
to say that they are are in to fulfill

1886
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:31,620
that need I think that there's a certain

1887
01:33:31,620 --> 01:33:34,199
uh

1888
01:33:34,199 --> 01:33:36,360
there's some requests that are coming

1889
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:38,820
within their purview and I hadn't you

1890
01:33:38,820 --> 01:33:40,500
know the person that I had spoke to or

1891
01:33:40,500 --> 01:33:42,300
two people the person I spoke to you

1892
01:33:42,300 --> 01:33:44,580
know definitely um hadn't said that they

1893
01:33:44,580 --> 01:33:46,500
had made such a request for you or any

1894
01:33:46,500 --> 01:33:48,420
requests from you that hadn't hasn't

1895
01:33:48,420 --> 01:33:50,580
been fulfilled so let's go to to be on

1896
01:33:50,580 --> 01:33:53,040
the record with that thus far however I

1897
01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:55,800
think that we have to acknowledge

1898
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:58,980
that there is the position positionality

1899
01:33:58,980 --> 01:34:02,400
and this really matters so if we again

1900
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:05,460
if they don't if we dedicate the line

1901
01:34:05,460 --> 01:34:08,580
and they don't you use it we don't lose

1902
01:34:08,580 --> 01:34:13,330
it so why wouldn't we dedicate the one

1903
01:34:13,340 --> 01:34:15,600
the reason we're going to dedicate to

1904
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:16,739
mine is because we're talking about

1905
01:34:16,739 --> 01:34:18,719
fifty thousand dollars which could be

1906
01:34:18,719 --> 01:34:22,380
used in other areas I'm not saying cprb

1907
01:34:22,380 --> 01:34:24,420
is not important but we have the ability

1908
01:34:24,420 --> 01:34:26,760
through the Corporation Council to

1909
01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:29,460
address their needs as well as their

1910
01:34:29,460 --> 01:34:31,800
external needs should they need those so

1911
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:34,380
we're talking about 50 Grand when we're

1912
01:34:34,380 --> 01:34:37,020
throwing around some other stuff and

1913
01:34:37,020 --> 01:34:39,480
that's why we're questioning it it's not

1914
01:34:39,480 --> 01:34:43,500
that we don't think cprb is important or

1915
01:34:43,500 --> 01:34:46,800
that they don't play a key role but when

1916
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:49,139
we have scarce resources which we do

1917
01:34:49,139 --> 01:34:53,340
it's important to try not to overlap in

1918
01:34:53,340 --> 01:34:56,040
our resources well and I can appreciate

1919
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:57,900
that both that in this context is not

1920
01:34:57,900 --> 01:34:59,940
overlapping whatsoever what we're doing

1921
01:34:59,940 --> 01:35:01,800
is we're dedicating the line and we're

1922
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:04,020
actually demonstrating the values that

1923
01:35:04,020 --> 01:35:06,540
we portray and we talk and pay lip

1924
01:35:06,540 --> 01:35:07,500
service to all the time we're

1925
01:35:07,500 --> 01:35:09,120
demonstrating that by making an

1926
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:10,920
investment but the Safeguard to your

1927
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:12,659
point so we don't

1928
01:35:12,659 --> 01:35:14,760
overlap the resources is that

1929
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:16,920
re-engaging the Corporation Council and

1930
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:18,780
having them attend so if they're able to

1931
01:35:18,780 --> 01:35:21,120
meet the needs of the board then they'll

1932
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:22,260
meet the needs of the board and the

1933
01:35:22,260 --> 01:35:24,420
board won't have to use that money but

1934
01:35:24,420 --> 01:35:25,620
for us to say that we're not going to

1935
01:35:25,620 --> 01:35:27,120
give them an option to me is very

1936
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:30,360
limiting and it's micromanaging and it's

1937
01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:31,199
not

1938
01:35:31,199 --> 01:35:34,340
being fully

1939
01:35:34,340 --> 01:35:38,900
genuine in recognizing the multiple

1940
01:35:38,900 --> 01:35:41,219
dynamics that they have to navigate to

1941
01:35:41,219 --> 01:35:42,360
do the very

1942
01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:44,460
important specific job that we ask them

1943
01:35:44,460 --> 01:35:51,189
to do

1944
01:35:51,199 --> 01:35:54,780
so Chapter 93 outlines two Financial

1945
01:35:54,780 --> 01:35:56,520
considerations that need to be made on

1946
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:57,780
behalf of the civilian police review

1947
01:35:57,780 --> 01:35:59,880
board one is maintaining an annual

1948
01:35:59,880 --> 01:36:02,400
membership to Nicole which is a civilian

1949
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:05,100
oversight uh entity in the United States

1950
01:36:05,100 --> 01:36:08,580
and the second is having a variation of

1951
01:36:08,580 --> 01:36:11,159
some funding to assist with uh

1952
01:36:11,159 --> 01:36:14,460
performing reviews or investigations to

1953
01:36:14,460 --> 01:36:16,280
some degree or

1954
01:36:16,280 --> 01:36:18,960
being a member of the review board

1955
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:21,659
they're definitely uh normalcies that

1956
01:36:21,659 --> 01:36:23,159
you take on from meeting to meetings so

1957
01:36:23,159 --> 01:36:24,840
absolute yields the fact that this

1958
01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:26,159
hasn't been something that has been

1959
01:36:26,159 --> 01:36:28,739
implemented routinely however if we look

1960
01:36:28,739 --> 01:36:30,480
at the simple fact of what does the city

1961
01:36:30,480 --> 01:36:33,300
code outline us to do I think it is our

1962
01:36:33,300 --> 01:36:35,219
requirement to fund them based on what

1963
01:36:35,219 --> 01:36:37,920
is outlined and I think putting forth

1964
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:40,440
monies for them to be able to utilize

1965
01:36:40,440 --> 01:36:43,500
legal services to be able to have access

1966
01:36:43,500 --> 01:36:47,100
to the Law Department to include the

1967
01:36:47,100 --> 01:36:48,719
routine attendance from the police

1968
01:36:48,719 --> 01:36:50,699
commissioner that is simply us hedging

1969
01:36:50,699 --> 01:36:53,340
our bets and to miss Patrick's Point

1970
01:36:53,340 --> 01:36:55,800
that is what budgeting is it is how you

1971
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:59,639
best position an entity to succeed so I

1972
01:36:59,639 --> 01:37:01,679
look at all of those different variables

1973
01:37:01,679 --> 01:37:04,080
that essentially we're trying to

1974
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:04,679
um

1975
01:37:04,679 --> 01:37:06,120
bolstered the success of this

1976
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:09,659
organization or of this board so in

1977
01:37:09,659 --> 01:37:11,580
reviewing everything that's put before

1978
01:37:11,580 --> 01:37:13,560
us it is not fifty thousand dollars it's

1979
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:15,560
twenty five thousand dollars

1980
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:18,659
but I think again words matter it's

1981
01:37:18,659 --> 01:37:20,040
twenty five thousand dollars that we're

1982
01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:21,659
looking at

1983
01:37:21,659 --> 01:37:23,639
um allotting to the outside Legal

1984
01:37:23,639 --> 01:37:26,400
Services the civilian police reborn in

1985
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:28,380
that sense I think looking at everything

1986
01:37:28,380 --> 01:37:31,020
that was previously discussed if we use

1987
01:37:31,020 --> 01:37:34,800
this or not having it specifically

1988
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:36,960
put underneath their budget line allow

1989
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:38,400
us to do one of two things that was

1990
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:40,440
outlined by the Deputy Commissioner it

1991
01:37:40,440 --> 01:37:42,780
will allow us to track whether it is

1992
01:37:42,780 --> 01:37:44,400
something that is actually beneficial to

1993
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:47,100
this board or not and if it's not I'm in

1994
01:37:47,100 --> 01:37:48,540
total support of removing it all

1995
01:37:48,540 --> 01:37:49,920
together however we need to be

1996
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:51,780
consistent with our practices and remove

1997
01:37:51,780 --> 01:38:03,129
it from the city code

1998
01:38:03,139 --> 01:38:05,580
consideration that

1999
01:38:05,580 --> 01:38:08,580
he's now full fully sad

2000
01:38:08,580 --> 01:38:10,199
so how are we going to take away the

2001
01:38:10,199 --> 01:38:12,780
resource from this golden office to help

2002
01:38:12,780 --> 01:38:15,960
others so I'm just going out and

2003
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:19,020
go ahead please thank you I'm obviously

2004
01:38:19,020 --> 01:38:20,300
you know

2005
01:38:20,300 --> 01:38:23,639
I've been looking at Chapter 93 and I've

2006
01:38:23,639 --> 01:38:25,679
been preparing you know this PowerPoint

2007
01:38:25,679 --> 01:38:27,900
a bit so I want to be and I agree with

2008
01:38:27,900 --> 01:38:29,580
Mr Williams that you know the language

2009
01:38:29,580 --> 01:38:31,920
of the code matters considerably when

2010
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:34,080
looking at all this this language in the

2011
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:37,139
code related to the cprb hiring an

2012
01:38:37,139 --> 01:38:39,480
independent investigator to assist them

2013
01:38:39,480 --> 01:38:43,620
in reviewing things and also you know

2014
01:38:43,620 --> 01:38:46,760
I think having a dedicated staff person

2015
01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:50,209
in the past

2016
01:38:50,219 --> 01:38:52,940
the only place I think

2017
01:38:52,940 --> 01:38:56,880
Council was under the law departments

2018
01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:58,320
in the blood Department's budget line

2019
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:02,820
and there's language in the law that

2020
01:39:02,820 --> 01:39:06,300
says that the Corporation Council hires

2021
01:39:06,300 --> 01:39:08,040
outside Council for the city when

2022
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:11,159
necessary so I know you know who's been

2023
01:39:11,159 --> 01:39:13,980
an indication about you know the cprb

2024
01:39:13,980 --> 01:39:17,280
itself pertaining outside Council

2025
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:19,920
um you know obviously I wouldn't make

2026
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:21,420
that referral

2027
01:39:21,420 --> 01:39:23,040
um if necessary because I said I have

2028
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:24,239
that in my budget line and that's

2029
01:39:24,239 --> 01:39:26,760
something I would obviously do

2030
01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:28,440
um like I would do with any other

2031
01:39:28,440 --> 01:39:31,020
department we've done that um at times

2032
01:39:31,020 --> 01:39:33,360
if necessary we can't handle something

2033
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:36,360
in-house we've had no problem referring

2034
01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:39,420
it to outside Council we do that with a

2035
01:39:39,420 --> 01:39:41,580
lot of employee matters

2036
01:39:41,580 --> 01:39:43,620
um you know things like that go to perm

2037
01:39:43,620 --> 01:39:45,900
and you know workers comp and you know a

2038
01:39:45,900 --> 01:39:47,520
lot of things

2039
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:49,620
um I'm hoping my Staffing level goes up

2040
01:39:49,620 --> 01:39:51,120
so I'll become a little bit easier and

2041
01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:54,300
we're not stressed so thin sometimes but

2042
01:39:54,300 --> 01:39:55,800
obviously you know

2043
01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:57,960
cprb is important when any commission is

2044
01:39:57,960 --> 01:40:00,060
important to bza like all of our you

2045
01:40:00,060 --> 01:40:03,020
know all of those you know commissions

2046
01:40:03,020 --> 01:40:05,639
and boards are very important and you

2047
01:40:05,639 --> 01:40:07,739
know we try to do our best to staff when

2048
01:40:07,739 --> 01:40:10,320
we see it being necessary and

2049
01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:11,699
um obviously this is coming to my

2050
01:40:11,699 --> 01:40:13,320
attention now because again I hadn't

2051
01:40:13,320 --> 01:40:16,739
heard anything from anyone you know the

2052
01:40:16,739 --> 01:40:18,179
chairperson since Rivera I have not

2053
01:40:18,179 --> 01:40:19,560
heard from her about this I haven't

2054
01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:23,159
heard from the officers who stopped the

2055
01:40:23,159 --> 01:40:25,560
meeting there was legal questions that

2056
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:27,420
were coming up obviously I would be

2057
01:40:27,420 --> 01:40:29,520
there for is this a Corporation Council

2058
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:31,340
Chris Lonnie would be there

2059
01:40:31,340 --> 01:40:34,139
that doesn't fall in deaf ears you know

2060
01:40:34,139 --> 01:40:36,239
we want to be responsive to the needs of

2061
01:40:36,239 --> 01:40:39,080
those boards and those committees and

2062
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:41,880
still we do that

2063
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:42,540
um

2064
01:40:42,540 --> 01:40:45,360
yeah so in the you know I'm not going to

2065
01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:47,040
tell obviously with the council what to

2066
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:50,639
do or not do that's not my position

2067
01:40:50,639 --> 01:40:52,920
um you know if the situation arises

2068
01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:54,900
though where you know they have a legal

2069
01:40:54,900 --> 01:40:58,080
question the cprb we're going to try to

2070
01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:01,320
do it in-house obviously and if we can't

2071
01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:02,940
do it in-house then we're going to make

2072
01:41:02,940 --> 01:41:05,820
the referral to an outside you know Law

2073
01:41:05,820 --> 01:41:08,580
Firm to handle it so it wouldn't be the

2074
01:41:08,580 --> 01:41:11,639
cprb you know obtaining Council it would

2075
01:41:11,639 --> 01:41:13,800
be me a painting Council on behalf of

2076
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:21,970
really the cprb

2077
01:41:21,980 --> 01:41:24,480
McCarthy did mention that we should

2078
01:41:24,480 --> 01:41:26,280
encourage the police uh review board to

2079
01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:27,540
reach out to a public safety

2080
01:41:27,540 --> 01:41:29,639
commissioner and to hear these concerns

2081
01:41:29,639 --> 01:41:32,159
so I will encourage everyone including

2082
01:41:32,159 --> 01:41:34,619
myself to reach out to the police report

2083
01:41:34,619 --> 01:41:36,540
to reach out to the public safety

2084
01:41:36,540 --> 01:41:39,179
commissioner and to help Channel this uh

2085
01:41:39,179 --> 01:41:41,699
concerns and to the law department and

2086
01:41:41,699 --> 01:41:44,699
see what help can be provided to this

2087
01:41:44,699 --> 01:41:47,100
board and this board need help

2088
01:41:47,100 --> 01:41:49,020
right I don't want to go back in time

2089
01:41:49,020 --> 01:41:50,580
when I was there but yeah they need help

2090
01:41:50,580 --> 01:41:52,500
they need to function properly and I

2091
01:41:52,500 --> 01:41:55,139
think we need to assist them right again

2092
01:41:55,139 --> 01:41:57,060
I think Rockford's

2093
01:41:57,060 --> 01:42:00,300
you know nothing that I really

2094
01:42:00,300 --> 01:42:02,159
disagree with I don't I don't think that

2095
01:42:02,159 --> 01:42:04,800
we're not aligned on well at least and

2096
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:06,840
what we're saying as far as valuing what

2097
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:08,639
they do and understanding the importance

2098
01:42:08,639 --> 01:42:12,360
of the of the of them resisting and then

2099
01:42:12,360 --> 01:42:14,420
I

2100
01:42:14,420 --> 01:42:17,280
saying that he has money in his budget

2101
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:19,020
line in order to do that if that's

2102
01:42:19,020 --> 01:42:21,239
something that they need so my question

2103
01:42:21,239 --> 01:42:24,060
then becomes or then we're not really

2104
01:42:24,060 --> 01:42:25,739
necessarily just talking about money

2105
01:42:25,739 --> 01:42:28,260
we're talking about power we're talking

2106
01:42:28,260 --> 01:42:30,480
about their ability to access the

2107
01:42:30,480 --> 01:42:32,880
resources that they need to do to do

2108
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:35,699
what they need to do and if all things

2109
01:42:35,699 --> 01:42:38,400
you know organic we're saying that we

2110
01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:40,139
understand the complexity of what

2111
01:42:40,139 --> 01:42:41,400
they're doing if they're reaching out to

2112
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:43,739
council members saying hey this would be

2113
01:42:43,739 --> 01:42:45,119
something that would be beneficial for

2114
01:42:45,119 --> 01:42:46,860
us as a board then I think that we

2115
01:42:46,860 --> 01:42:49,080
should support them by doing that

2116
01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:51,480
um and then I think the the safety net

2117
01:42:51,480 --> 01:42:52,980
there

2118
01:42:52,980 --> 01:42:55,320
um to access those funds or to use of

2119
01:42:55,320 --> 01:42:56,880
those funds is Corporation counselors

2120
01:42:56,880 --> 01:42:59,100
needing us to recommit to engaging this

2121
01:42:59,100 --> 01:43:01,320
them as a board and if that happens

2122
01:43:01,320 --> 01:43:06,060
in a in a satisfactory way for them then

2123
01:43:06,060 --> 01:43:08,420
it's a new point so let's let's let's

2124
01:43:08,420 --> 01:43:10,500
allocate the money to them let's

2125
01:43:10,500 --> 01:43:13,139
demonstrate let's actually do what we

2126
01:43:13,139 --> 01:43:15,960
say be who we say we are resource it not

2127
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:19,560
just live service and then hopefully uh

2128
01:43:19,560 --> 01:43:21,300
they'll be able all their needs will be

2129
01:43:21,300 --> 01:43:23,400
met by Corporation Council and the

2130
01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:24,780
safety percent if that's the case then

2131
01:43:24,780 --> 01:43:26,280
we're in a great place and if it's not

2132
01:43:26,280 --> 01:43:27,719
then they have

2133
01:43:27,719 --> 01:43:29,940
um another uh resource available for

2134
01:43:29,940 --> 01:43:31,619
them to do their report book

2135
01:43:31,619 --> 01:43:33,719
I just want to remind everyone that when

2136
01:43:33,719 --> 01:43:35,520
we had talked about this before we had

2137
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:37,380
talked about to the point of increasing

2138
01:43:37,380 --> 01:43:39,480
the fees for service in the law

2139
01:43:39,480 --> 01:43:41,219
department so it's not like we didn't

2140
01:43:41,219 --> 01:43:42,719
talk about making sure the money in the

2141
01:43:42,719 --> 01:43:45,659
budget but however it was uh it was I'm

2142
01:43:45,659 --> 01:43:47,540
going to say by the finance department

2143
01:43:47,540 --> 01:43:50,699
saying that it's easier to track if it

2144
01:43:50,699 --> 01:43:52,500
was separate so let's keep in mind that

2145
01:43:52,500 --> 01:43:54,300
we had talked

2146
01:43:54,300 --> 01:43:56,960
yes not you but

2147
01:43:56,960 --> 01:43:59,580
that that the Deputy Commissioner said

2148
01:43:59,580 --> 01:44:00,719
it would be easier to track over

2149
01:44:00,719 --> 01:44:03,179
separate so we talked about adding money

2150
01:44:03,179 --> 01:44:05,280
to the Law Department fees for services

2151
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:08,040
for out fees outside Council we talked

2152
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:09,360
about that so it's not like we didn't

2153
01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:10,980
talk about putting it in there it just

2154
01:44:10,980 --> 01:44:13,560
became a matter of where we put it

2155
01:44:13,560 --> 01:44:15,600
I I think we didn't come to a decision

2156
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:17,400
on it though I know that we talked about

2157
01:44:17,400 --> 01:44:19,139
that but I was looking forward to this

2158
01:44:19,139 --> 01:44:21,060
meeting this evening

2159
01:44:21,060 --> 01:44:23,219
um to really Hammer up these decisions

2160
01:44:23,219 --> 01:44:25,920
and see what kinds of compromises and

2161
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:27,840
you know I think we were waiting no we

2162
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:30,360
did we did we did came from

2163
01:44:30,360 --> 01:44:33,360
um 25

2164
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:36,659
000 each and it goes to the city council

2165
01:44:36,659 --> 01:44:37,619
25

2166
01:44:37,619 --> 01:44:41,340
000 on the 10 10 440 on the city council

2167
01:44:41,340 --> 01:44:44,520
on 10 attempt 440 on the police review

2168
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:46,320
board no I know that that is my note

2169
01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:49,139
that what we end up discussion and

2170
01:44:49,139 --> 01:44:51,300
that's what we were to ask the finance

2171
01:44:51,300 --> 01:44:53,699
department no I know that we put that

2172
01:44:53,699 --> 01:44:56,400
down it was 25 and 25. I definitely know

2173
01:44:56,400 --> 01:44:58,619
we did that I guess I thought that we

2174
01:44:58,619 --> 01:45:01,139
were then tonight going because we we

2175
01:45:01,139 --> 01:45:03,659
went down the whole list whether it was

2176
01:45:03,659 --> 01:45:06,300
um the addition of a staff in city clerk

2177
01:45:06,300 --> 01:45:08,880
or the creation of a new department for

2178
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:10,860
affirmative action

2179
01:45:10,860 --> 01:45:13,199
um some of these things I think that we

2180
01:45:13,199 --> 01:45:16,020
did go down that whole list with the

2181
01:45:16,020 --> 01:45:18,900
idea that tonight we were going to be

2182
01:45:18,900 --> 01:45:20,760
you know kind of discussing those things

2183
01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:23,400
and deciding whether we in other words

2184
01:45:23,400 --> 01:45:25,440
we did definitely fill in those lines

2185
01:45:25,440 --> 01:45:28,800
and I guess I have to say if again I'll

2186
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:30,360
put out there that if we were going to

2187
01:45:30,360 --> 01:45:32,580
compromise I absolutely don't think we

2188
01:45:32,580 --> 01:45:33,840
need the extra I mean I don't know

2189
01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:35,880
nobody else is dropping in here but that

2190
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:37,860
we don't need the money for the city

2191
01:45:37,860 --> 01:45:44,229
council park right yeah this is

2192
01:45:44,239 --> 01:45:47,400
an hour and a half hours on this item

2193
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:49,560
under the end that's what we have

2194
01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:53,699
decided that the pathway forward so it

2195
01:45:53,699 --> 01:45:56,820
was 82 then this Ferrari suggests why

2196
01:45:56,820 --> 01:46:00,840
now 50 25 25 we all seems to

2197
01:46:00,840 --> 01:46:08,830
another head and she told him yeah

2198
01:46:08,840 --> 01:46:18,010
it was to be talked about yeah

2199
01:46:18,020 --> 01:46:22,880
so can we go around as it is with um

2200
01:46:22,880 --> 01:46:26,100
well uh 25

2201
01:46:26,100 --> 01:46:29,460
um in the city council line 25 in the

2202
01:46:29,460 --> 01:46:31,980
review board line as it is can we go

2203
01:46:31,980 --> 01:46:34,260
around and get kind of games on the

2204
01:46:34,260 --> 01:46:35,340
council members and how do you feel

2205
01:46:35,340 --> 01:46:36,360
about that

2206
01:46:36,360 --> 01:46:38,820
could we do that just just me I finish

2207
01:46:38,820 --> 01:46:43,560
up sure Mr Poland I mean um 25 000 for

2208
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:45,860
City Council Members us looking to

2209
01:46:45,860 --> 01:46:48,300
discuss something and we need legal

2210
01:46:48,300 --> 01:46:51,530
advice I mean

2211
01:46:51,540 --> 01:46:53,580
have you ever I mean you've always been

2212
01:46:53,580 --> 01:46:55,560
there for each and every one of us when

2213
01:46:55,560 --> 01:47:00,470
we've called and without

2214
01:47:00,480 --> 01:47:01,860
bias

2215
01:47:01,860 --> 01:47:03,780
on something we might need it's legal

2216
01:47:03,780 --> 01:47:05,280
law

2217
01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:07,080
I have nothing ever been brought to my

2218
01:47:07,080 --> 01:47:08,360
attention where

2219
01:47:08,360 --> 01:47:11,820
nobody's excuse me of being bias

2220
01:47:11,820 --> 01:47:14,219
um you know if I thought that there was

2221
01:47:14,219 --> 01:47:17,280
some compliment you know between my

2222
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:19,320
duties and representing the city you

2223
01:47:19,320 --> 01:47:21,480
know as the city council or between city

2224
01:47:21,480 --> 01:47:23,639
council people or between the city

2225
01:47:23,639 --> 01:47:25,500
council and the mayor's office the city

2226
01:47:25,500 --> 01:47:27,060
council and the department

2227
01:47:27,060 --> 01:47:32,639
if I sought the conflict in that it or a conflict in my ability to perform

2228
01:47:32,639 --> 01:47:34,440
because the city council is making some

2229
01:47:34,440 --> 01:47:36,420
type of decision it was looking for

2230
01:47:36,420 --> 01:47:38,639
legal advice that impacts limit me or my

2231
01:47:38,639 --> 01:47:39,600
office

2232
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:42,780
that would be referred out you know good

2233
01:47:42,780 --> 01:47:46,020
outside Council the situation hasn't

2234
01:47:46,020 --> 01:47:49,860
Arisen where I've seen a conflict and or

2235
01:47:49,860 --> 01:47:52,800
that anybody has raised to me that

2236
01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:56,219
there's a conflict in my ability to act

2237
01:47:56,219 --> 01:47:59,639
in an unbiased manner you know and may

2238
01:47:59,639 --> 01:48:01,739
make decisions that you know you don't

2239
01:48:01,739 --> 01:48:04,679
agree with that certainly happens and I

2240
01:48:04,679 --> 01:48:07,679
know the mayor you know has made

2241
01:48:07,679 --> 01:48:08,880
decisions that the mayor doesn't

2242
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:11,100
necessarily agree with that's just part

2243
01:48:11,100 --> 01:48:14,040
of you know the process you know not

2244
01:48:14,040 --> 01:48:16,980
always going to be you know not always

2245
01:48:16,980 --> 01:48:19,560
going to be just you know a pushover or

2246
01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:21,480
rollover in terms of my legal opinion

2247
01:48:21,480 --> 01:48:23,040
because I have to look at the law the

2248
01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:24,780
way it's written right at the end of the

2249
01:48:24,780 --> 01:48:27,540
day my job's back to city

2250
01:48:27,540 --> 01:48:32,930
um you know from liability so

2251
01:48:32,940 --> 01:48:35,699
you know I don't know what question

2252
01:48:35,699 --> 01:48:38,880
there is exactly about you know

2253
01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:41,040
you putting it you know the city council

2254
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:44,040
agreeing to put 25 000 in the line

2255
01:48:44,040 --> 01:48:45,540
um obviously as I said if there's a

2256
01:48:45,540 --> 01:48:46,619
conflict

2257
01:48:46,619 --> 01:48:51,300
um you know inherent or perceived

2258
01:48:51,300 --> 01:48:53,880
um then I would refer to that

2259
01:48:53,880 --> 01:48:57,119
hasn't happened and nobody has as far as

2260
01:48:57,119 --> 01:49:00,179
I know at least you know anything to me

2261
01:49:00,179 --> 01:49:03,719
directly to me indicating a conflict in

2262
01:49:03,719 --> 01:49:05,400
my ability to act

2263
01:49:05,400 --> 01:49:11,870
um you know objectively I think

2264
01:49:11,880 --> 01:49:14,830
foreign

2265
01:49:14,840 --> 01:49:18,060
just to the other point I mean even if I

2266
01:49:18,060 --> 01:49:20,100
look at what's on this piece of paper

2267
01:49:20,100 --> 01:49:22,560
that we've been given tonight

2268
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:25,920
um under line 16 2100 when we met the

2269
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:30,470
other night we did not discuss

2270
01:49:30,480 --> 01:49:33,480
um it looks like it looks like on this

2271
01:49:33,480 --> 01:49:35,639
sheet it says increase this position by

2272
01:49:35,639 --> 01:49:38,520
5642.

2273
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:40,980
but then I think on the sheet we came

2274
01:49:40,980 --> 01:49:43,139
we're given tonight it looks like we did

2275
01:49:43,139 --> 01:49:44,219
not

2276
01:49:44,219 --> 01:49:47,760
um increase the position by 5 642 we're

2277
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:50,639
deep yes I'm sorry are you talking about

2278
01:49:50,639 --> 01:49:54,000
the principal billing audit and AP clerk

2279
01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:55,860
okay you moved on to something well no

2280
01:49:55,860 --> 01:49:57,179
I'm just saying just in terms of

2281
01:49:57,179 --> 01:49:59,280
comparison in terms of my understanding

2282
01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:01,080
from the other night was just that we

2283
01:50:01,080 --> 01:50:02,219
were going to make some decisions

2284
01:50:02,219 --> 01:50:05,580
tonight and so I think that I think I

2285
01:50:05,580 --> 01:50:07,380
mean baby I'm reading it wrong but I

2286
01:50:07,380 --> 01:50:11,100
think that's is not what we talk is not

2287
01:50:11,100 --> 01:50:14,580
what we wrote yeah the other day the

2288
01:50:14,580 --> 01:50:16,860
other night they were the increase was

2289
01:50:16,860 --> 01:50:19,020
like 11 something 11 000 something and

2290
01:50:19,020 --> 01:50:21,119
so in our discussion it was to reduce

2291
01:50:21,119 --> 01:50:24,119
that 11 000 by 5 000 that's what you're

2292
01:50:24,119 --> 01:50:26,159
seeing here yeah so the increase was not

2293
01:50:26,159 --> 01:50:27,600
eleven thousand but five thousand that's

2294
01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:29,100
what that's what the decrease is now the

2295
01:50:29,100 --> 01:50:30,900
decrease of the original salary but a

2296
01:50:30,900 --> 01:50:33,360
decrease of the post increase

2297
01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:37,980
but the so the mayor requested 77 771

2298
01:50:37,980 --> 01:50:42,179
right which is an increase salary 72

2299
01:50:42,179 --> 01:50:44,460
000 129. so that is an increase of five

2300
01:50:44,460 --> 01:50:46,199
thousand six hundred

2301
01:50:46,199 --> 01:50:56,090
budget

2302
01:50:56,100 --> 01:50:59,709
of course

2303
01:50:59,719 --> 01:51:02,100
the point being we were going to just

2304
01:51:02,100 --> 01:51:06,669
discuss everything tonight

2305
01:51:06,679 --> 01:51:10,380
yeah no that's fine yes are we just you

2306
01:51:10,380 --> 01:51:13,020
know compared to them most of the stuff

2307
01:51:13,020 --> 01:51:14,340
done on the

2308
01:51:14,340 --> 01:51:16,800
proposal if you did touch with them it

2309
01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:18,900
might be a few that we can custom look

2310
01:51:18,900 --> 01:51:21,000
was the article moving the fund from the

2311
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:24,000
airport to general fund and he has

2312
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:25,560
to look at the numbers but then things

2313
01:51:25,560 --> 01:51:26,639
change today

2314
01:51:26,639 --> 01:51:28,920
so they are taking away funding for the

2315
01:51:28,920 --> 01:51:30,420
article it's a general fund that was a

2316
01:51:30,420 --> 01:51:32,040
very far so

2317
01:51:32,040 --> 01:51:38,090
the help of that

2318
01:51:38,100 --> 01:51:39,360
thank you

2319
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:41,940
go ahead please just saying that to Mr

2320
01:51:41,940 --> 01:51:44,639
Williams point if we run an entity to

2321
01:51:44,639 --> 01:51:46,980
succeed give them the

2322
01:51:46,980 --> 01:51:49,980
what they need and just to get rid of

2323
01:51:49,980 --> 01:51:52,860
the information tax specialist when the

2324
01:51:52,860 --> 01:51:55,800
Department's asking for that you know we

2325
01:51:55,800 --> 01:51:59,460
have to be first of all

2326
01:51:59,460 --> 01:52:06,729
foreign

2327
01:52:06,739 --> 01:52:09,119
taking your position

2328
01:52:09,119 --> 01:52:12,179
on this issue and right now

2329
01:52:12,179 --> 01:52:15,659
can we go around and get the usernames

2330
01:52:15,659 --> 01:52:18,840
so we can at least as far as the

2331
01:52:18,840 --> 01:52:22,020
um you're asking about outside Legal

2332
01:52:22,020 --> 01:52:38,350
Services yeah between the police Rescue board and

2333
01:52:38,360 --> 01:52:43,010
you just go forward

2334
01:52:43,020 --> 01:52:45,960
because that's go ahead because we're

2335
01:52:45,960 --> 01:52:47,340
having a discussion we're having a

2336
01:52:47,340 --> 01:52:49,020
discussion I want to understand that but

2337
01:52:49,020 --> 01:52:52,080
if then you do that for every single yes

2338
01:52:52,080 --> 01:52:55,199
that's right I'm not entertained to do

2339
01:52:55,199 --> 01:52:57,179
that for every single piece so we we

2340
01:52:57,179 --> 01:52:58,679
want to we want to stay here all night

2341
01:52:58,679 --> 01:53:02,470
tonight

2342
01:53:02,480 --> 01:53:05,820
to miss Patrick's Point there's been you

2343
01:53:05,820 --> 01:53:08,820
know her and I've been pretty vocal

2344
01:53:08,820 --> 01:53:10,619
um and then changing of our ideas around

2345
01:53:10,619 --> 01:53:12,900
this so I you know just kind of want to

2346
01:53:12,900 --> 01:53:14,340
get a position from where people are at

2347
01:53:14,340 --> 01:53:15,300
but

2348
01:53:15,300 --> 01:53:18,290
you know

2349
01:53:18,300 --> 01:53:20,940
so but I'm completely fine with not

2350
01:53:20,940 --> 01:53:22,920
without doing that I mean I made my

2351
01:53:22,920 --> 01:53:26,520
position pretty clear you know

2352
01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:28,380
I am what I say that is what it is

2353
01:53:28,380 --> 01:53:30,719
always so that doesn't change for me

2354
01:53:30,719 --> 01:53:43,990
you can move on to the next thing

2355
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:49,669
we need to touch on

2356
01:53:49,679 --> 01:53:52,380
well I think we have to unless somebody

2357
01:53:52,380 --> 01:53:53,699
else says something I think we have to

2358
01:53:53,699 --> 01:53:55,920
go back to the um

2359
01:53:55,920 --> 01:53:57,540
tax

2360
01:53:57,540 --> 01:53:59,639
you said we're requesting that was the

2361
01:53:59,639 --> 01:54:00,960
first thing that the mayor said about so

2362
01:54:00,960 --> 01:54:02,340
I mean

2363
01:54:02,340 --> 01:54:13,750
I think we need to discuss that

2364
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:16,800
excuse me sorry

2365
01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:36,709
and they're taking a break

2366
01:54:36,719 --> 01:54:39,119
do you want to wait on this bathroom hey

2367
01:54:39,119 --> 01:54:42,420
Miss Porterfield yeah why don't we take

2368
01:54:42,420 --> 01:54:55,750
uh

2369
01:54:55,760 --> 01:55:00,390
thank you

2370
01:55:00,400 --> 01:55:22,790
[Music]

2371
01:55:22,800 --> 01:55:40,660
foreign

2372
01:55:40,670 --> 01:55:54,470
[Music]

2373
01:55:54,480 --> 01:55:57,900
yes

2374
01:55:57,910 --> 01:56:26,330
[Music]

2375
01:56:26,340 --> 01:56:27,719
I think there's going to be a butter

2376
01:56:27,719 --> 01:56:30,370
shortage

2377
01:56:30,380 --> 01:56:33,119
yeah Atlanta Lakes my sister just texted

2378
01:56:33,119 --> 01:56:47,689
me

2379
01:56:47,699 --> 01:56:58,030
um

2380
01:56:58,040 --> 01:57:04,609
you're sorry

2381
01:57:04,619 --> 01:57:33,850
foreign

2382
01:57:33,860 --> 01:57:42,550
[Music]

2383
01:57:42,560 --> 01:57:44,760
so let's see

2384
01:57:44,760 --> 01:58:13,490
this chance

2385
01:58:13,500 --> 01:58:51,790
foreign

2386
01:58:51,800 --> 01:58:55,619
all right so let's continue the

2387
01:58:55,619 --> 01:58:57,599
discussion on this Quarterfield just um

2388
01:58:57,599 --> 01:59:00,239
it was before we went into a break what

2389
01:59:00,239 --> 01:59:01,560
about the

2390
01:59:01,560 --> 01:59:03,139
property tax

2391
01:59:03,139 --> 01:59:06,119
tolls property tax production

2392
01:59:06,119 --> 01:59:09,800
one percent equivalent 316

2393
01:59:09,800 --> 01:59:12,960
290 dollars

2394
01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:22,330
open for discussion on this

2395
01:59:22,340 --> 01:59:26,159
so I guess I'm a little confused with

2396
01:59:26,159 --> 01:59:29,030
regards to

2397
01:59:29,040 --> 01:59:31,920
how the art for money is being used for

2398
01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:33,239
the losses

2399
01:59:33,239 --> 01:59:37,679
when we have 5.3 million in unfilled

2400
01:59:37,679 --> 01:59:39,060
positions

2401
01:59:39,060 --> 01:59:41,820
yet we're looking at

2402
01:59:41,820 --> 01:59:43,920
according to Mr Ferrari roughly two

2403
01:59:43,920 --> 01:59:46,679
million losses here now I understand the

2404
01:59:46,679 --> 01:59:48,239
2 million is going to come out of this

2405
01:59:48,239 --> 01:59:51,239
article stuff or largely from that you

2406
01:59:51,239 --> 01:59:54,000
know but we still aren't accounting 35.3

2407
01:59:54,000 --> 01:59:57,490
million

2408
01:59:57,500 --> 02:00:00,659
going forward so how are we going to do

2409
02:00:00,659 --> 02:00:03,290
that

2410
02:00:03,300 --> 02:00:09,350
of

2411
02:00:09,360 --> 02:00:09,420
um

2412
02:00:09,420 --> 02:00:11,760
[Music]

2413
02:00:11,760 --> 02:00:16,729
10.3

2414
02:00:16,739 --> 02:00:20,820
yes 10.3 uh and that's that's we're

2415
02:00:20,820 --> 02:00:22,500
going to use the 2 million this year

2416
02:00:22,500 --> 02:00:24,239
that's what we're estimating that loses

2417
02:00:24,239 --> 02:00:27,060
8.3 and then with the five point eight

2418
02:00:27,060 --> 02:00:30,540
penalt planet and the 2023 budget and

2419
02:00:30,540 --> 02:00:33,599
that leaves us uh with uh about four

2420
02:00:33,599 --> 02:00:34,800
million left

2421
02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:39,480
all right for a lost revenues for 2024.

2422
02:00:39,480 --> 02:00:41,639
but going forward we're not accounting

2423
02:00:41,639 --> 02:00:44,760
for that at all right

2424
02:00:44,760 --> 02:00:46,520
so well

2425
02:00:46,520 --> 02:00:49,980
go forward and have it if you don't use

2426
02:00:49,980 --> 02:00:52,619
that account don't not if you don't if

2427
02:00:52,619 --> 02:00:55,739
we don't uh use it all you know

2428
02:00:55,739 --> 02:00:58,920
where we can still push it forward and

2429
02:00:58,920 --> 02:01:01,080
but Mr we just mentioned nearly also on

2430
02:01:01,080 --> 02:01:03,179
this document here is 10.1 million

2431
02:01:03,179 --> 02:01:05,280
dollars that is available but if there's

2432
02:01:05,280 --> 02:01:07,619
additional losses yes if that can be

2433
02:01:07,619 --> 02:01:10,440
taken out from this 10 point almost 10.2

2434
02:01:10,440 --> 02:01:12,360
million dollars so that means we're not

2435
02:01:12,360 --> 02:01:15,000
going to spend anything else for

2436
02:01:15,000 --> 02:01:16,739
powerful money

2437
02:01:16,739 --> 02:01:19,800
going forward no we took out I took out

2438
02:01:19,800 --> 02:01:22,260
that money now it was always what I'm

2439
02:01:22,260 --> 02:01:24,360
saying is you're putting it aside we're

2440
02:01:24,360 --> 02:01:26,099
putting inside we're not spending the 10

2441
02:01:26,099 --> 02:01:31,390
points yes

2442
02:01:31,400 --> 02:01:36,619
the 20 23 Revenue loss or lost Revenue

2443
02:01:36,619 --> 02:01:41,350
3.4 million dollars

2444
02:01:41,360 --> 02:01:45,179
I understand that but we have 5.3 we're

2445
02:01:45,179 --> 02:01:47,159
not accounting for

2446
02:01:47,159 --> 02:01:50,040
because we didn't fill the positions and

2447
02:01:50,040 --> 02:01:52,679
we keep talking about 63 unfilled

2448
02:01:52,679 --> 02:01:56,639
positions which is 5.3 million going

2449
02:01:56,639 --> 02:01:59,820
forward not just today

2450
02:01:59,820 --> 02:02:03,239
one two three years out

2451
02:02:03,239 --> 02:02:06,480
we don't have an account for that money

2452
02:02:06,480 --> 02:02:08,880
this is priority can you address that I

2453
02:02:08,880 --> 02:02:12,060
understand what you're saying and uh

2454
02:02:12,060 --> 02:02:13,800
that's one of the reasons why we should

2455
02:02:13,800 --> 02:02:24,970
not uh decrease taxes

2456
02:02:24,980 --> 02:02:29,340
of cost risings this is not the type of

2457
02:02:29,340 --> 02:02:36,790
thought I wasn't

2458
02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:39,540
as we're going through here we're hoping

2459
02:02:39,540 --> 02:02:41,699
like you said to stabilize our revenues

2460
02:02:41,699 --> 02:02:44,280
to come through here to pay for that uh

2461
02:02:44,280 --> 02:02:46,380
I understand yeah we have those jobs

2462
02:02:46,380 --> 02:02:48,420
openings but as you as you've seen you

2463
02:02:48,420 --> 02:02:50,099
know we're not filming about those jobs

2464
02:02:50,099 --> 02:02:51,960
either I understand that but if we could

2465
02:02:51,960 --> 02:02:54,659
increase revenues by 5 million we'd

2466
02:02:54,659 --> 02:02:55,920
already done it

2467
02:02:55,920 --> 02:02:58,500
yeah okay what was referral you want to

2468
02:02:58,500 --> 02:03:02,219
address this also is uh 4.6 but yeah you

2469
02:03:02,219 --> 02:03:04,679
know in our 2022 budget we had a

2470
02:03:04,679 --> 02:03:07,739
formulated uh we had a budget of 4.6

2471
02:03:07,739 --> 02:03:10,560
we're estimating only using half that

2472
02:03:10,560 --> 02:03:13,020
so that's for the other two point I

2473
02:03:13,020 --> 02:03:16,080
understand but going forward is what I'm

2474
02:03:16,080 --> 02:03:17,699
talking we're talking strictly today

2475
02:03:17,699 --> 02:03:20,280
we're not looking forward

2476
02:03:20,280 --> 02:03:23,580
correct and that's going to impact us in

2477
02:03:23,580 --> 02:03:26,040
one two three years or more correct

2478
02:03:26,040 --> 02:03:28,260
we're looking at 2023

2479
02:03:28,260 --> 02:03:30,599
this is that we're looking at snapshot

2480
02:03:30,599 --> 02:03:33,000
in Time versus a dynamic that's why I

2481
02:03:33,000 --> 02:03:34,920
that's why you know with the various

2482
02:03:34,920 --> 02:03:36,780
budget we're looking to raise uh the

2483
02:03:36,780 --> 02:03:39,659
artist fees to keep the tax lined up

2484
02:03:39,659 --> 02:03:43,440
keep the taxes at a stable level and you

2485
02:03:43,440 --> 02:03:46,020
know raise up and you know we talk about

2486
02:03:46,020 --> 02:03:47,880
erasing other fees as we go along for

2487
02:03:47,880 --> 02:03:50,159
years too because as like any other

2488
02:03:50,159 --> 02:03:52,199
business you have to raise your prices

2489
02:03:52,199 --> 02:03:54,599
has a cost goes up because of the cost

2490
02:03:54,599 --> 02:03:56,639
of employment cost of insurance costs of

2491
02:03:56,639 --> 02:04:14,180
all those benefits

2492
02:04:14,190 --> 02:04:27,790
[Music]

2493
02:04:27,800 --> 02:04:30,420
you're cutting uh taxes you're cutting

2494
02:04:30,420 --> 02:04:32,940
uh uh the fees for services or you know

2495
02:04:32,940 --> 02:04:36,360
with the uh water not water source but

2496
02:04:36,360 --> 02:04:39,239
even with uh the trash and stuff like

2497
02:04:39,239 --> 02:04:41,760
that you know when you start cutting uh

2498
02:04:41,760 --> 02:04:43,320
you know it's going to come back you're

2499
02:04:43,320 --> 02:04:44,580
going to have to raise it eventually

2500
02:04:44,580 --> 02:04:46,800
you're gonna have to raise it I mean a

2501
02:04:46,800 --> 02:04:49,679
huge amount right so it just multiplied

2502
02:04:49,679 --> 02:04:52,080
so it actually goes on yeah so I think

2503
02:04:52,080 --> 02:04:54,719
23 24 you're gonna be okay 20 25 you

2504
02:04:54,719 --> 02:04:56,639
might be doing a six percent tax

2505
02:04:56,639 --> 02:04:58,679
increase you know that's what I was

2506
02:04:58,679 --> 02:05:09,530
trying to get at earlier

2507
02:05:09,540 --> 02:05:11,520
I mean the minimum that's what I asked

2508
02:05:11,520 --> 02:05:13,860
for you know I know uh uh you're you're

2509
02:05:13,860 --> 02:05:15,840
taking a 1.1 million already for the

2510
02:05:15,840 --> 02:05:17,760
trash I know that's something you're

2511
02:05:17,760 --> 02:05:20,219
gonna have to address into your comments

2512
02:05:20,219 --> 02:05:22,860
into the year 2023 but at least the Hope

2513
02:05:22,860 --> 02:05:26,219
line on on the uh the tax uh tax

2514
02:05:26,219 --> 02:05:29,520
payments you can hold the line at 316

2515
02:05:29,520 --> 02:05:31,199
pounds I mean it doesn't sound like a

2516
02:05:31,199 --> 02:05:34,199
lot but it really that's a beginning

2517
02:05:34,199 --> 02:05:37,139
it's a beginning because I'm telling you don't want to two years from now

2518
02:05:37,139 --> 02:05:39,420
when you guys are trying to be real life

2519
02:05:39,420 --> 02:05:40,800
and you have to raise taxes for four

2520
02:05:40,800 --> 02:05:43,020
percent

2521
02:05:43,020 --> 02:05:44,340
it's not going to be a pretty butcher

2522
02:05:44,340 --> 02:05:45,900
what you want to do you want to rise you

2523
02:05:45,900 --> 02:05:48,179
want to do it things have a small level

2524
02:05:48,179 --> 02:05:50,040
small bits are going all the way up yeah

2525
02:05:50,040 --> 02:05:52,080
that's why we posted about a dollar a

2526
02:05:52,080 --> 02:05:55,080
week of a dollar a week for the garbage

2527
02:05:55,080 --> 02:05:57,300
I mean you know that's that's that was

2528
02:05:57,300 --> 02:05:58,679
our thought of trying to do things

2529
02:05:58,679 --> 02:06:01,560
slowly you know not that I was smiling

2530
02:06:01,560 --> 02:06:03,239
because um last week last week Friday

2531
02:06:03,239 --> 02:06:04,920
you told us that if you proceeded is

2532
02:06:04,920 --> 02:06:08,280
from bankruptcy yeah yesterday and today

2533
02:06:08,280 --> 02:06:15,550
we found the 10.5 million dollars

2534
02:06:15,560 --> 02:06:17,719
we don't want to scare people out there

2535
02:06:17,719 --> 02:06:20,239
you know all these things and then um

2536
02:06:20,239 --> 02:06:23,219
well running set aside 12 seconds but if

2537
02:06:23,219 --> 02:06:24,719
you were looking at what you're doing uh

2538
02:06:24,719 --> 02:06:27,179
last week before we found it I want to

2539
02:06:27,179 --> 02:06:30,960
thank John for helping us do that uh

2540
02:06:30,960 --> 02:06:44,450
because

2541
02:06:44,460 --> 02:06:49,219
uh Derek was was still in the room

2542
02:06:49,219 --> 02:06:53,520
you're not supposed to use

2543
02:06:53,520 --> 02:06:56,099
your taxes and we're using quite a bit

2544
02:06:56,099 --> 02:06:57,480
of our money through

2545
02:06:57,480 --> 02:07:06,649
foreign

2546
02:07:06,659 --> 02:07:09,179
thank you

2547
02:07:09,179 --> 02:07:11,960
discussion on this the sport Affairs

2548
02:07:11,960 --> 02:07:14,400
oh I'm just listening to what Mr

2549
02:07:14,400 --> 02:07:17,219
Ferrari's saying and you know and and I

2550
02:07:17,219 --> 02:07:18,360
keep hearing it over and over again

2551
02:07:18,360 --> 02:07:20,820
because let me just be 100 transparent I

2552
02:07:20,820 --> 02:07:22,380
was in favor of

2553
02:07:22,380 --> 02:07:23,040
um

2554
02:07:23,040 --> 02:07:26,159
reducing the tax burden on our

2555
02:07:26,159 --> 02:07:29,760
um our residents but I don't I want us

2556
02:07:29,760 --> 02:07:32,040
to be caught in the quandary that we

2557
02:07:32,040 --> 02:07:33,420
spent money in a way that was

2558
02:07:33,420 --> 02:07:35,760
inappropriate and they come back and say

2559
02:07:35,760 --> 02:07:37,560
Hey you shouldn't have done that and

2560
02:07:37,560 --> 02:07:39,179
here are the reasons why

2561
02:07:39,179 --> 02:07:43,980
so two Mr Ferrari's point you know I

2562
02:07:43,980 --> 02:07:46,080
know you might have said that half a

2563
02:07:46,080 --> 02:07:47,400
joke but I also believe that a lot of

2564
02:07:47,400 --> 02:07:49,679
Truth is said in jokes and um I think

2565
02:07:49,679 --> 02:07:52,679
that you know we have to

2566
02:07:52,679 --> 02:07:54,360
talk to the people that live in the

2567
02:07:54,360 --> 02:07:56,940
cities connected to like adults and and

2568
02:07:56,940 --> 02:08:00,000
let them understand that you know as

2569
02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:03,860
much as we beloved uh you know

2570
02:08:03,860 --> 02:08:06,960
if we're not in a fiscal position to do

2571
02:08:06,960 --> 02:08:09,119
that then we can't do that until you're

2572
02:08:09,119 --> 02:08:11,580
pointing around you know when you when

2573
02:08:11,580 --> 02:08:13,500
you're running again to uh you're not

2574
02:08:13,500 --> 02:08:14,880
going to get reelected if you have to

2575
02:08:14,880 --> 02:08:17,280
raise taxes so many points I mean that's

2576
02:08:17,280 --> 02:08:19,920
a calculation that really shouldn't be a

2577
02:08:19,920 --> 02:08:21,480
part of how we make our decisions here

2578
02:08:21,480 --> 02:08:23,820
so right I mean and I know that

2579
02:08:23,820 --> 02:08:26,699
you know everyone might not share that

2580
02:08:26,699 --> 02:08:28,679
at least in action more so in ideology

2581
02:08:28,679 --> 02:08:30,840
but yeah if we're not in a fiscal

2582
02:08:30,840 --> 02:08:34,199
position to cut taxes then we

2583
02:08:34,199 --> 02:08:36,060
shouldn't do that

2584
02:08:36,060 --> 02:08:37,920
right

2585
02:08:37,920 --> 02:08:44,410
I mean yeah

2586
02:08:44,420 --> 02:08:47,580
one of the one of the suggestions I

2587
02:08:47,580 --> 02:08:51,320
submitted um last week including myself

2588
02:08:51,320 --> 02:08:53,820
the hearing and discussing and

2589
02:08:53,820 --> 02:08:56,460
compromise and working yesterday today

2590
02:08:56,460 --> 02:08:58,860
the day before was a Ferrari I've taken

2591
02:08:58,860 --> 02:09:01,619
a full-time job in his office

2592
02:09:01,619 --> 02:09:07,139
another discussion with the mayor I can you know push back a little on

2593
02:09:07,139 --> 02:09:10,910
this and not um

2594
02:09:10,920 --> 02:09:13,619
we can rule out and increase I mean not

2595
02:09:13,619 --> 02:09:17,219
sorry we don't mind Lucas

2596
02:09:17,219 --> 02:09:20,360
I don't want to increase um

2597
02:09:20,360 --> 02:09:22,980
I'm gonna hold on but I just wanted to

2598
02:09:22,980 --> 02:09:24,900
clear it and I know the way I mention it

2599
02:09:24,900 --> 02:09:26,219
already and we've been back and forth

2600
02:09:26,219 --> 02:09:27,719
since Friday

2601
02:09:27,719 --> 02:09:31,619
well we get we can use money to provide

2602
02:09:31,619 --> 02:09:34,380
a tax break this is not our we have

2603
02:09:34,380 --> 02:09:37,199
money in the general fund we have money

2604
02:09:37,199 --> 02:09:38,219
now

2605
02:09:38,219 --> 02:09:40,500
if we were to proceed and if I were to

2606
02:09:40,500 --> 02:09:42,060
Stadium if we had a majority here and

2607
02:09:42,060 --> 02:09:43,440
you say that we were going to get the

2608
02:09:43,440 --> 02:09:44,840
tax Breakers

2609
02:09:44,840 --> 02:09:48,300
but I am okay took all off

2610
02:09:48,300 --> 02:09:51,780
and to listen to my good friend zone

2611
02:09:51,780 --> 02:09:54,780
and we can hold out from this

2612
02:09:54,780 --> 02:09:56,460
even even after your family with 10

2613
02:09:56,460 --> 02:10:01,310
million dollars yeah wow there we go

2614
02:10:01,320 --> 02:10:03,420
well I appreciate it I appreciate you

2615
02:10:03,420 --> 02:10:05,520
yeah the work that we all have at this

2616
02:10:05,520 --> 02:10:07,440
table we all hear these people to

2617
02:10:07,440 --> 02:10:10,199
discuss to work with the Department to

2618
02:10:10,199 --> 02:10:12,659
work within a compromise not everybody's

2619
02:10:12,659 --> 02:10:14,400
going to get what they want never going

2620
02:10:14,400 --> 02:10:15,599
to happen

2621
02:10:15,599 --> 02:10:18,300
and we have at some point we just have

2622
02:10:18,300 --> 02:10:20,940
to sit back in our lives and you know

2623
02:10:20,940 --> 02:10:22,560
move forward

2624
02:10:22,560 --> 02:10:24,599
for the best we can uh please thank them

2625
02:10:24,599 --> 02:10:27,119
for take overtime speeds that's our job

2626
02:10:27,119 --> 02:10:29,159
we have to be careful now because if

2627
02:10:29,159 --> 02:10:30,840
we're not too careful we might start to

2628
02:10:30,840 --> 02:10:32,340
contradict the narrative that we're not

2629
02:10:32,340 --> 02:10:34,020
actually working together to get and

2630
02:10:34,020 --> 02:10:35,840
getting stuff done

2631
02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:41,570
we're a little careful about that

2632
02:10:41,580 --> 02:10:43,320
any other discussion is what do you want

2633
02:10:43,320 --> 02:10:45,139
to keep this here

2634
02:10:45,139 --> 02:10:49,860
I guess my only question is so if we um

2635
02:10:49,860 --> 02:10:52,619
agree to not have the one percent tax

2636
02:10:52,619 --> 02:10:54,599
cut now what do we do in terms of we

2637
02:10:54,599 --> 02:10:58,679
need to uh go back to the computer and

2638
02:10:58,679 --> 02:11:01,440
okay so let's just go back to the free

2639
02:11:01,440 --> 02:11:09,129
course backup we just reports

2640
02:11:09,139 --> 02:11:11,659
the proposed budget yeah

2641
02:11:11,659 --> 02:11:13,800
we're not taking money at the end of the

2642
02:11:13,800 --> 02:11:14,940
land we just go back we're actually

2643
02:11:14,940 --> 02:11:17,340
removing money against that line taxes

2644
02:11:17,340 --> 02:11:19,199
but going back to the maintenance

2645
02:11:19,199 --> 02:11:25,180
proposed budget of 31 629

2646
02:11:25,190 --> 02:11:33,739
[Music]

2647
02:11:33,739 --> 02:11:35,639
and uh

2648
02:11:35,639 --> 02:11:39,780
one of uh article my strategies you know

2649
02:11:39,780 --> 02:11:42,500
African 16th house yes

2650
02:11:42,500 --> 02:11:46,080
so just I'm sorry just run down that on

2651
02:11:46,080 --> 02:11:47,060
this place

2652
02:11:47,060 --> 02:11:54,169
budget okay 31 million 629.000.

2653
02:11:54,179 --> 02:11:56,460
based on the proposal that was submitted

2654
02:11:56,460 --> 02:11:58,679
last week they were asking for a one

2655
02:11:58,679 --> 02:12:03,440
percent tax reduction equivalent to 316

2656
02:12:03,440 --> 02:12:05,940
292. taking that out so that was going

2657
02:12:05,940 --> 02:12:06,960
to reduce

2658
02:12:06,960 --> 02:12:08,000
the

2659
02:12:08,000 --> 02:12:10,580
appropriate functions

2660
02:12:10,580 --> 02:12:13,400
like 31

2661
02:12:13,400 --> 02:12:18,060
312 710. basically back here now I think

2662
02:12:18,060 --> 02:12:19,619
there's a compromise that we're not

2663
02:12:19,619 --> 02:12:21,480
going to reduce taxes by that amount of

2664
02:12:21,480 --> 02:12:25,080
316 000 290 and reward back to the

2665
02:12:25,080 --> 02:12:27,659
mayor's proposed budget of 31 million

2666
02:12:27,659 --> 02:12:29,099
629

2667
02:12:29,099 --> 02:12:32,699
000. Mr Ferrari will do the in and out

2668
02:12:32,699 --> 02:12:43,910
and uh

2669
02:12:43,920 --> 02:12:48,050
foreign

2670
02:12:48,060 --> 02:12:50,940
anything else to discuss on this

2671
02:12:50,940 --> 02:12:57,520
I'm just I'm just sort of out I know

2672
02:12:57,530 --> 02:12:58,800
[Music]

2673
02:12:58,800 --> 02:13:06,470
maybe I should say it out loud

2674
02:13:06,480 --> 02:13:21,280
questions

2675
02:13:21,290 --> 02:13:38,330
[Music]

2676
02:13:38,340 --> 02:13:50,209
is

2677
02:13:50,219 --> 02:13:52,390
yeah

2678
02:13:52,400 --> 02:13:55,639
and then we'll give you the

2679
02:13:55,639 --> 02:13:59,649
what do you need to change it

2680
02:13:59,659 --> 02:14:02,400
the opportunity to drive from the

2681
02:14:02,400 --> 02:14:03,739
resolution

2682
02:14:03,739 --> 02:14:07,139
and come back to the council I'm just

2683
02:14:07,139 --> 02:14:08,280
going to be a little taller than

2684
02:14:08,280 --> 02:14:14,890
consider control

2685
02:14:14,900 --> 02:14:18,420
go ahead please so Mr Colden review the

2686
02:14:18,420 --> 02:14:23,149
changes before

2687
02:14:23,159 --> 02:14:25,020
once we finish and we decide to move

2688
02:14:25,020 --> 02:14:26,940
forward Mr Coleman will get a copy he

2689
02:14:26,940 --> 02:14:28,860
has a copy there's any markups he will

2690
02:14:28,860 --> 02:14:30,840
make notes

2691
02:14:30,840 --> 02:14:31,739
um

2692
02:14:31,739 --> 02:14:42,430
able to graph up his resolution

2693
02:14:42,440 --> 02:14:45,719
to the council before yeah about

2694
02:14:45,719 --> 02:14:47,880
committing based on the changes Anthony

2695
02:14:47,880 --> 02:14:50,460
mix okay I can go upstairs because then

2696
02:14:50,460 --> 02:14:52,380
he will also agree with you you

2697
02:14:52,380 --> 02:14:56,209
understand okay

2698
02:14:56,219 --> 02:14:59,099
are there any other discussion on this

2699
02:14:59,099 --> 02:15:01,099
items

2700
02:15:01,099 --> 02:15:05,410
did we put the volume

2701
02:15:05,410 --> 02:15:08,890
[Music]

2702
02:15:08,900 --> 02:15:11,520
I always let you know I'll call you out

2703
02:15:11,520 --> 02:15:13,020
and I'll let you know you don't have to

2704
02:15:13,020 --> 02:15:14,159
do that with me

2705
02:15:14,159 --> 02:15:15,900
did we put the money back into the

2706
02:15:15,900 --> 02:15:18,139
capital budget for them yes we did okay

2707
02:15:18,139 --> 02:15:20,400
that was the only change I believe that

2708
02:15:20,400 --> 02:15:23,280
was in that so

2709
02:15:23,280 --> 02:15:24,860
um

2710
02:15:24,860 --> 02:15:28,139
Miss Patrick sorry that's right my

2711
02:15:28,139 --> 02:15:29,599
attention on the capital

2712
02:15:29,599 --> 02:15:31,940
223 houses

2713
02:15:31,940 --> 02:15:34,500
because because that's the nearest

2714
02:15:34,500 --> 02:15:36,179
wasn't that it doesn't have to change

2715
02:15:36,179 --> 02:15:38,280
okay so please put that back in there so

2716
02:15:38,280 --> 02:15:42,310
that that was a misunderstanding from

2717
02:15:42,320 --> 02:15:43,980
Police Department

2718
02:15:43,980 --> 02:15:47,099
[Music]

2719
02:15:47,099 --> 02:15:51,109
that we were able to put it back

2720
02:15:51,119 --> 02:15:53,159
you raise your hand on me you get your

2721
02:15:53,159 --> 02:16:02,629
own point over

2722
02:16:02,639 --> 02:16:05,280
saying that I really told this

2723
02:16:05,280 --> 02:16:06,659
I'd like to make a motion to move the

2724
02:16:06,659 --> 02:16:11,159
budget uh with the discussed changes

2725
02:16:11,159 --> 02:16:16,679
they have a second all in favor

2726
02:16:16,679 --> 02:16:18,179
aye

2727
02:16:18,179 --> 02:16:19,560
are there any other businesses for

2728
02:16:19,560 --> 02:16:21,920
finance

2729
02:16:21,920 --> 02:16:25,020
second all in favor

2730
02:16:25,020 --> 02:16:28,440
aye we are here thank you

2731
02:16:28,440 --> 02:17:14,709
um

2732
02:17:14,719 --> 02:17:38,330
it's crazy

2733
02:17:38,340 --> 02:17:45,889
um

2734
02:17:45,899 --> 02:17:50,299
foreign

2735
02:17:50,309 --> 02:18:26,450
[Laughter]

2736
02:18:26,460 --> 02:18:42,549
20 20 21 those are twins

2737
02:18:42,559 --> 02:18:45,120
I just had this from yesterday

2738
02:18:45,120 --> 02:18:51,650
it wasn't the totals were always good

2739
02:18:51,660 --> 02:18:53,540
hmm

2740
02:18:53,540 --> 02:19:06,250
get the total first score

2741
02:19:06,260 --> 02:19:08,399
that's the best thing I've ever been

2742
02:19:08,399 --> 02:19:19,730
here foreign

2743
02:19:19,740 --> 02:19:24,160
signatures

2744
02:19:24,170 --> 02:20:39,770
[Music]

2745
02:20:39,780 --> 02:20:56,929
thank you

2746
02:20:56,939 --> 02:23:07,150
foreign

2747
02:23:07,160 --> 02:23:11,870
thank you

2748
02:23:11,880 --> 02:24:42,230
foreign

2749
02:24:42,240 --> 02:25:51,290
oh yeah

2750
02:25:51,300 --> 02:28:15,349
thank you

2751
02:28:15,359 --> 02:33:56,750
foreign

2752
02:33:56,760 --> 02:39:02,330
thank you

2753
02:39:02,340 --> 02:50:19,130
foreign

2754
02:50:19,140 --> 02:51:24,410
Maybe

2755
02:51:24,420 --> 02:52:06,349
so

2756
02:52:06,359 --> 02:52:20,690
no oh no

2757
02:52:20,700 --> 02:52:29,750
thank you

2758
02:52:29,760 --> 02:52:41,090
um

2759
02:52:41,100 --> 02:54:54,469
foreign

2760
02:54:54,479 --> 02:55:25,849
okay

2761
02:55:25,859 --> 02:56:05,750
thank you

2762
02:56:05,760 --> 02:56:51,830
Maybe

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02:56:51,840 --> 02:56:57,110
Chinese

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02:56:57,120 --> 02:59:30,170
space

2765
02:59:30,180 --> 03:00:12,349
good

2766
03:00:12,359 --> 03:01:22,309
thank you

2767
03:01:22,319 --> 03:02:42,710
okay

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03:02:42,720 --> 03:02:49,190
foreign

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03:02:49,200 --> 03:04:29,960
before

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[Music]

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03:04:33,479 --> 03:04:42,880
foreign

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03:04:42,890 --> 03:05:10,910
[Music]

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03:05:10,920 --> 03:06:57,830
foreign

2774
03:06:57,840 --> 03:08:07,870
I think

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03:08:07,880 --> 03:09:46,849
thank you

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03:09:46,859 --> 03:11:07,010
foreign

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03:11:07,020 --> 03:11:37,969
yes

2778
03:11:37,979 --> 03:12:10,750
assistant

2779
03:12:10,760 --> 03:12:18,230
thank you

2780
03:12:18,240 --> 03:12:20,220
I'd like to call to order this Festival

2781
03:12:20,220 --> 03:12:22,500
City council meeting for Monday excuse

2782
03:12:22,500 --> 03:12:26,880
me Wednesday October 26 2022

2783
03:12:26,880 --> 03:12:29,279
we have one item on the agenda

2784
03:12:29,279 --> 03:12:31,439
the clerk would please read

2785
03:12:31,439 --> 03:12:33,899
item number one for final consideration

2786
03:12:33,899 --> 03:12:36,720
an ordinance percentage section 36 of

2787
03:12:36,720 --> 03:12:38,580
the second class cities law and article

2788
03:12:38,580 --> 03:12:40,560
six of the chart of the city of

2789
03:12:40,560 --> 03:12:42,899
Schenectady approving and adopting the

2790
03:12:42,899 --> 03:12:45,840
proposed operating budget for 2023 and

2791
03:12:45,840 --> 03:12:48,479
authorizing the appropriation therein

2792
03:12:48,479 --> 03:12:50,880
enumerated

2793
03:12:50,880 --> 03:12:53,540
discuss the committee with our injection

2794
03:12:53,540 --> 03:13:00,550
okay roll call by Mr palomini

2795
03:13:00,560 --> 03:13:07,250
but please call the one Mr Williams yeah

2796
03:13:07,260 --> 03:13:10,910
Mr Farley yes

2797
03:13:10,920 --> 03:13:13,740
Miss Patrick I'm going to vote

2798
03:13:13,740 --> 03:13:17,040
um yes because I want to say that I am

2799
03:13:17,040 --> 03:13:20,100
um I'm pleased with the ability that we

2800
03:13:20,100 --> 03:13:22,319
had tonight to compromise with one

2801
03:13:22,319 --> 03:13:24,180
another and

2802
03:13:24,180 --> 03:13:27,600
um I think that you know I appreciate

2803
03:13:27,600 --> 03:13:30,540
that as a council we were able to make

2804
03:13:30,540 --> 03:13:34,260
some decisions together on this there

2805
03:13:34,260 --> 03:13:36,000
are definitely things still that I'm not

2806
03:13:36,000 --> 03:13:38,279
necessarily completely happy with

2807
03:13:38,279 --> 03:13:40,920
um I will say in particular the items

2808
03:13:40,920 --> 03:13:43,620
related to the police overtime and the

2809
03:13:43,620 --> 03:13:45,359
um the staff person in the police

2810
03:13:45,359 --> 03:13:46,859
department

2811
03:13:46,859 --> 03:13:49,200
um I wish that those had been able to

2812
03:13:49,200 --> 03:13:52,020
remain in but that being said I'm going

2813
03:13:52,020 --> 03:13:54,420
to vote Yes as well

2814
03:13:54,420 --> 03:13:58,450
Mr YouTuber

2815
03:13:58,460 --> 03:14:01,380
sorry I was just questioning uh the

2816
03:14:01,380 --> 03:14:04,100
capital budget is not here as well

2817
03:14:04,100 --> 03:14:08,710
there was no changes

2818
03:14:08,720 --> 03:14:11,100
it's all the mayor supposedly which is

2819
03:14:11,100 --> 03:14:12,720
why I asked that question initially I

2820
03:14:12,720 --> 03:14:13,859
want to make sure that we get great

2821
03:14:13,859 --> 03:14:15,479
before we pass

2822
03:14:15,479 --> 03:14:17,279
so yes I

2823
03:14:17,279 --> 03:14:20,580
um you know a budget process uh the

2824
03:14:20,580 --> 03:14:22,140
other thing we've been doing for you

2825
03:14:22,140 --> 03:14:25,620
know and I think um this year will be a

2826
03:14:25,620 --> 03:14:27,720
lot of questions new council member I

2827
03:14:27,720 --> 03:14:30,240
appreciate all the questions I'll answer

2828
03:14:30,240 --> 03:14:32,220
I repeat myself all the answer I want to

2829
03:14:32,220 --> 03:14:33,960
thank you Mr Ferrari

2830
03:14:33,960 --> 03:14:37,090
um

2831
03:14:37,100 --> 03:14:38,939
providing him all the answers about

2832
03:14:38,939 --> 03:14:41,460
watching anybody any council member

2833
03:14:41,460 --> 03:14:43,680
asked a question and it was an answer

2834
03:14:43,680 --> 03:14:46,680
because I make sure I make sure that I

2835
03:14:46,680 --> 03:14:49,200
chose to my Safari and the question was

2836
03:14:49,200 --> 03:14:51,000
answered and make sure to provide the

2837
03:14:51,000 --> 03:14:52,920
opportunity to everybody to get an

2838
03:14:52,920 --> 03:14:54,720
answer to understand the budget and to

2839
03:14:54,720 --> 03:14:57,300
answer questions and the opportunity to

2840
03:14:57,300 --> 03:14:59,340
process on you know all the information

2841
03:14:59,340 --> 03:15:02,220
everybody has an opportunity to look at

2842
03:15:02,220 --> 03:15:03,779
the budget look at the question look at

2843
03:15:03,779 --> 03:15:07,740
the answer and yes we sometimes we can't

2844
03:15:07,740 --> 03:15:09,420
dig or heal in the sand we have to

2845
03:15:09,420 --> 03:15:12,600
compromise as Patrick mention compromise

2846
03:15:12,600 --> 03:15:14,160
and move forward and was the best for

2847
03:15:14,160 --> 03:15:16,380
our city I think this is a good budget

2848
03:15:16,380 --> 03:15:19,439
and I'm happy that be part of it and to

2849
03:15:19,439 --> 03:15:21,779
vote Yes on it and we'll give it to the

2850
03:15:21,779 --> 03:15:22,859
mayor to

2851
03:15:22,859 --> 03:15:26,160
for 20 Century operating am expense

2852
03:15:26,160 --> 03:15:28,380
my vote is yes thank you this is the

2853
03:15:28,380 --> 03:15:30,600
term I'm happy with the way things

2854
03:15:30,600 --> 03:15:32,399
worked out tonight absolutely working

2855
03:15:32,399 --> 03:15:33,500
together

2856
03:15:33,500 --> 03:15:36,420
but I also feel that we need to make

2857
03:15:36,420 --> 03:15:39,300
more fiscally responsible decisions so

2858
03:15:39,300 --> 03:15:44,100
we can move our city forward in the future so I vote

2859
03:15:44,100 --> 03:15:46,140
now

2860
03:15:46,140 --> 03:15:47,880
Mr palomini

2861
03:15:47,880 --> 03:15:50,939
I'd first like to thank my colleagues

2862
03:15:50,939 --> 03:15:54,540
for all their hard work good questions

2863
03:15:54,540 --> 03:15:56,540
actually very good questions

2864
03:15:56,540 --> 03:15:59,399
however I'm very concerned with the

2865
03:15:59,399 --> 03:16:01,620
sustainability of this Budget moving

2866
03:16:01,620 --> 03:16:02,939
forward

2867
03:16:02,939 --> 03:16:05,819
um unfortunately this is typically How

2868
03:16:05,819 --> 03:16:08,520
We Do budgets at least in my time being

2869
03:16:08,520 --> 03:16:12,240
on Council as a snapshot of time

2870
03:16:12,240 --> 03:16:15,000
and

2871
03:16:15,000 --> 03:16:17,520
I think we need to start really

2872
03:16:17,520 --> 03:16:21,840
considering our future projects and this

2873
03:16:21,840 --> 03:16:24,359
budget is such that I really don't feel

2874
03:16:24,359 --> 03:16:27,180
we're in a good position moving down the

2875
03:16:27,180 --> 03:16:30,920
road one or two or three years

2876
03:16:30,920 --> 03:16:33,540
especially since we're going we're in a

2877
03:16:33,540 --> 03:16:36,120
very high inflation period that

2878
03:16:36,120 --> 03:16:38,720
inflation is not going away anytime soon

2879
03:16:38,720 --> 03:16:42,859
quite frankly it might last a while

2880
03:16:42,859 --> 03:16:45,420
we have the Federal Reserves going to

2881
03:16:45,420 --> 03:16:48,779
have to increase

2882
03:16:48,779 --> 03:16:51,779
interest rates that's going to be an

2883
03:16:51,779 --> 03:16:56,720
impact on our bonding and costs there

2884
03:16:56,720 --> 03:16:59,279
and unfortunately the Federal Reserve

2885
03:16:59,279 --> 03:17:00,920
tends to

2886
03:17:00,920 --> 03:17:03,960
overshoot with interest rate increases

2887
03:17:03,960 --> 03:17:05,640
and

2888
03:17:05,640 --> 03:17:07,380
we're projected to go on a pretty

2889
03:17:07,380 --> 03:17:09,840
substantial

2890
03:17:09,840 --> 03:17:12,190
um

2891
03:17:12,200 --> 03:17:14,819
recession hopefully not a depression

2892
03:17:14,819 --> 03:17:18,779
next year and I really question our

2893
03:17:18,779 --> 03:17:22,560
ability to generate the revenues that

2894
03:17:22,560 --> 03:17:24,779
we're talking about

2895
03:17:24,779 --> 03:17:25,560
um

2896
03:17:25,560 --> 03:17:28,380
I just don't think this is a sustainable

2897
03:17:28,380 --> 03:17:31,020
budget and for that reason I'm voting

2898
03:17:31,020 --> 03:17:32,220
now

2899
03:17:32,220 --> 03:17:34,979
this Porterfield thank you so I also

2900
03:17:34,979 --> 03:17:36,720
want to thank everyone who's asked

2901
03:17:36,720 --> 03:17:37,920
questions put in some hard work

2902
03:17:37,920 --> 03:17:41,040
especially thank you to Mr Baron for um

2903
03:17:41,040 --> 03:17:43,439
leadership on this and for the mayor for

2904
03:17:43,439 --> 03:17:45,840
putting forth his budget I've heard with

2905
03:17:45,840 --> 03:17:47,160
everyone said we've talked about it you

2906
03:17:47,160 --> 03:17:48,680
know we've been meeting several times

2907
03:17:48,680 --> 03:17:51,420
and I agree that we also didn't get

2908
03:17:51,420 --> 03:17:53,060
everything that everyone wanted however

2909
03:17:53,060 --> 03:17:56,040
we did to come to a compromise I

2910
03:17:56,040 --> 03:17:58,080
understand what Mr palawini is saying

2911
03:17:58,080 --> 03:17:59,700
but it as he said it's way we we

2912
03:17:59,700 --> 03:18:01,380
generally do budget so this is not new

2913
03:18:01,380 --> 03:18:03,660
to this year in terms of how our budgets

2914
03:18:03,660 --> 03:18:06,060
are done and if going forward we need to

2915
03:18:06,060 --> 03:18:09,300
he whoever is the finance chair wants to

2916
03:18:09,300 --> 03:18:11,939
or the mayor it's really the mayor who

2917
03:18:11,939 --> 03:18:13,439
wants to project it out that's something

2918
03:18:13,439 --> 03:18:15,720
certainly a topic for discussion as it

2919
03:18:15,720 --> 03:18:18,720
is um today you know um like I said you

2920
03:18:18,720 --> 03:18:21,000
know we put forth we put some things in

2921
03:18:21,000 --> 03:18:23,279
we took some things out made concessions

2922
03:18:23,279 --> 03:18:25,680
different places so I'm comfortable with

2923
03:18:25,680 --> 03:18:29,690
this and I vote Yes on this budget

2924
03:18:29,700 --> 03:18:35,990
so the motion passes five to two

2925
03:18:36,000 --> 03:18:40,130
contain a motion to adjourn

2926
03:18:40,140 --> 03:18:42,660
second by Miss Patrick I was in favor

2927
03:18:42,660 --> 03:18:47,100
um thank you and good night good job

2928
03:18:47,100 --> 03:18:52,330
I enjoy the rest of their evening

2929
03:18:52,340 --> 03:18:56,730
[Laughter]

2930
03:18:56,730 --> 03:18:58,150
[Applause]

2931
03:18:58,150 --> 03:19:26,050
[Music]

2932
03:19:26,060 --> 03:19:31,969
thank you so much

2933
03:19:31,979 --> 03:19:33,540
all right take care have a good night

2934
03:19:33,540 --> 03:19:37,100
thank you very much hey

2935
03:19:37,100 --> 03:19:41,650
sorry

2936
03:19:41,660 --> 03:19:46,990
[Music]

2937
03:19:47,000 --> 03:19:59,410
good night

2938
03:19:59,420 --> 03:20:06,730
what what do you have to finish

2939
03:20:06,740 --> 03:20:08,520
all right

2940
03:20:08,520 --> 03:20:10,439
yeah I mean you were saying it there but

2941
03:20:10,439 --> 03:20:12,240
because the way this kind of came

2942
03:20:12,240 --> 03:20:13,920
together in the last couple days the

2943
03:20:13,920 --> 03:20:16,200
compromise has reached yes

2944
03:20:16,200 --> 03:21:12,950
I took some work

2945
03:21:12,960 --> 03:22:10,450
foreign

2946
03:22:10,460 --> 03:22:19,969
[Music]

2947
03:22:19,979 --> 03:22:22,979
foreign