[0:00] foreign
[0:06] [Music]
[0:24] [Laughter]
[0:29] excuse me
[0:31] foreign
[0:35] [Music]
[1:11] thank you
[1:17] hey don't worry
[1:23] thank you appreciate that
[1:29] there are hours
[1:41] something I would like to do it won't
[1:43] make it much money
[1:47] [Music]
[1:51] I guess I have a lot of time
[1:54] did you put it in the budget
[1:58] that's kind of asking tonight
[2:01] [Music]
[2:15] thank you
[2:18] hello
[2:27] [Music]
[2:32] are you put in all the updated
[2:33] information I believe that's what
[2:35] Anthony is doing now
[2:37] oh God
[3:13] sure
[3:15] okay great yes
[3:29] um
[3:45] foreign
[3:47] [Applause]
[4:16] foreign
[4:49] possible
[4:52] uh Anthony is still printing out some
[4:54] last the last kind of changes so it's
[4:56] going to be a few minutes probably in
[4:57] Philly
[5:06] Sam thanks for printing on the sound
[5:20] foreign
[6:06] [Music]
[6:23] I've seen yeah
[6:27] it's insane and I can just put them up
[6:30] in your face
[6:32] put them up
[6:34] I think next week what did it get the
[6:37] tree
[6:39] coming up soon together it's going to be
[6:42] corrupt the smaller ones in there yeah I
[6:45] saw them all yeah oh yeah
[6:51] um
[6:56] [Music]
[7:09] I'm happy because coming down myself
[7:19] yeah yeah
[7:25] people spend the second
[7:29] largest amendment
[7:38] I like it because there's people in the
[7:41] neighborhood gallery and then right us
[7:43] that would decorate for right
[7:47] field is probably on a plane right now
[7:49] to New Orleans for Halloween oh my gosh
[7:52] oh
[7:54] send you I have a
[7:56] I told her that but they they they're
[7:58] going to these trick-or-treat things
[8:00] these I don't think she'll spend much
[8:03] time off of burgers
[8:15] lots of prayers this weekend
[8:28] people give out some certification of
[8:31] the type of in the prison review
[8:36] I got Snickers Reese's cups and genuins
[8:41] so we're probably going to put them in
[8:43] back but I think I need to know where
[8:44] I'm going to get dressed up into this
[8:46] house
[8:53] it's Halloween I will not be home
[8:57] really cool not a big fan yeah
[9:01] see my birthday birthdays I was for a
[9:04] couple of years when I was like a
[9:05] teenager still living at my parents
[9:07] house and I would get dressed up and sit
[9:09] outside like that was a stuff yeah yeah
[9:21] and I decorated it and I got all this
[9:24] candy but it was more like you could do
[9:25] self-serve right remember the first year
[9:27] of clothing it's like it feels like the
[9:30] first few kids actually dumped
[9:32] everything in their bags
[9:35] we didn't have that happen
[9:38] I feel like with uh
[9:42] with the camera doorbells you know it
[9:44] makes it you know easier I think for
[9:46] people to kind of peek that's on what's
[9:47] going on
[9:48] if you had a ring well bills still
[9:52] remember some days ago they had little
[9:53] treat bags remember the little paper
[9:56] ones oh my goodness even if it was just
[9:58] one piece of candy
[10:01] in a baggie last year so I'm trying to
[10:04] find the bag so we can do it instead of
[10:06] doing baggies because it would be
[10:07] prettier I remember Burger King used to
[10:10] sell the one dollar Fries coupons
[10:13] love getting those thank you so easy
[10:18] coupon go get your small fry there's
[10:21] people that actually do give up there
[10:22] you know big size candy bars but I never
[10:26] got that when I was killed there was one
[10:27] block in our house we'd go in the
[10:29] afternoon and we'll go back and change
[10:30] we'll go at night
[10:36] and come back with a full pillowcase
[10:39] my brother always had a pillowcase
[10:45] all the stores down the street from my
[10:46] house used to give out candy too so we
[10:50] used to go down there Ellen's going to
[10:53] crust from St Catherine is um
[10:57] oh like a Housing Development you know
[11:01] not necessarily seniors a lot of people
[11:07] can't think of the names
[11:10] [Music]
[11:15] I'm excited they're walking across the
[11:17] street that's great
[11:20] if you don't have school on Monday
[11:24] teachers something or other
[11:28] what are you going to be this good job
[11:31] foreign
[11:47] yes
[11:48] [Music]
[11:51] I love that me too
[11:54] I know um
[11:55] there's two Costco stuff in the office
[11:58] over there like all the time and the two
[12:01] cocker spaniels they have that are
[12:02] therapy dogs yeah
[12:04] Here Comes Anthony
[12:11] um
[12:13] [Music]
[12:15] [Laughter]
[12:45] action
[12:48] s
[13:11] we can't leave
[13:18] foreign
[13:42] [Music]
[13:44] [Laughter]
[13:45] [Music]
[13:57] oh no
[13:59] um
[14:31] sometimes
[14:48] it says
[14:56] he said it says this says
[15:07] horse
[15:12] that's what that last word means yeah
[16:04] uh
[16:20] if you're missing anything else
[16:22] well I think we're going to do this soon
[16:25] because that's for you
[16:26] yeah
[16:28] uh yeah
[16:45] there we go
[16:54] all right
[16:58] but I didn't get any water so we should
[17:00] have four yeah
[17:05] I don't have any water and neither does
[17:06] oh I've got a water I don't have trash I
[17:09] guess did we do trap no
[17:17] it should be water store everybody yeah
[17:23] beautiful
[17:35] anything is missing you got water we got
[17:37] soil we'll get a general
[17:41] breakdown he doesn't have particles
[17:47] um
[18:29] plus the capital
[18:31] yes
[18:43] everybody has all the darkness yeah
[18:47] everyone has all of that way
[18:49] foreign
[18:52] yes
[18:54] everyone has oh yeah yeah sorry yes
[19:01] all right um well everyone else over
[19:03] here to for this Finance meeting but
[19:05] just before that I just want to say a
[19:06] couple things uh I know that it was a
[19:09] long process and that we but we all work
[19:12] together and put in what we were
[19:14] interested in putting in in terms of how
[19:16] we wanted our budget to look I believe
[19:18] that all of us have the same goal of
[19:20] making sure that our residents get the
[19:23] best budget possible in terms of making
[19:25] sure we don't cut any service be it
[19:27] First Responders or Wastewater or any of
[19:29] that in addition to that we want to make
[19:31] sure that there is no undue burden on
[19:34] our on our taxpayers so um you know we
[19:37] took time to look through the budget
[19:38] we've had meetings actually with the
[19:40] mayor and I'm sure that
[19:42] um as council members we've discussed it
[19:44] I know that Mr mciveren has asked
[19:46] questions and
[19:48] um asked questions ask people to submit
[19:50] questions and they've gotten the answers
[19:51] to so all of that has been taken into
[19:53] consideration as we've done this budget
[19:57] I know there was some concerns because
[19:59] we had talked about
[20:02] um using some um of the fund balance in
[20:06] our discussions realizing that there had
[20:08] already been 10.5 million dollars almost
[20:11] about 10.483 that had been set aside
[20:14] already to
[20:16] um for lost Revenue so in when we had
[20:19] our final discussions with mayor we took
[20:22] that into consideration and rather than
[20:24] going to the fund balance we're able to
[20:26] use to put some of that in so that the
[20:29] concerns that were raised by many
[20:31] council members of uh using all of our
[20:34] performance and also not touching our
[20:37] fund balance which has been addressed
[20:39] with this uh most everything that's
[20:42] happened up to this point has been a
[20:44] proposal so I know that this um some of
[20:46] this was tried in the Press even though
[20:48] we hadn't made final decisions but we're
[20:52] here today to make those um final
[20:54] decisions hopefully we can walk out of
[20:56] this room with a past budget and
[20:59] everyone has the opportunity to say what
[21:01] it is that any concerns that they have
[21:03] but hopefully we're coming to the point
[21:05] where we can come out with a budget that
[21:08] is um fair to taxpayers making sure that
[21:12] the city does not go into debt and we're
[21:14] able to pay all of our bills and all
[21:16] council members concerns have been have
[21:20] been taken into consideration as with
[21:22] any budget it's about negotiation it's
[21:24] not about everybody walking away from
[21:26] the table with exactly what they asked
[21:28] for that's not generally how it works
[21:30] every negotiation so I believe we've
[21:33] done 12 negotiations and we have we're
[21:35] presenting some to the council tonight
[21:38] to take a look at what is being proposed
[21:41] in terms of this budget and
[21:43] um any questions concerns or
[21:46] uh that you may have can we can take it
[21:49] from there and this is the finance
[21:51] committee that we'll be um coming to uh
[21:53] before tonight so Mr motiv Aaron
[22:02] thank you getting everything one I would
[22:04] like to call the finance committee to
[22:06] order
[22:07] and before we go into the documents I
[22:10] just want to you know mention a few
[22:11] times that um
[22:17] hearing for evenings and it was in five
[22:22] actually five evening and here we are
[22:23] today if you're another session six
[22:26] session and hopefully we can discuss and
[22:28] arrive at a conclusion this evening
[22:31] um I want to thank the department head I
[22:33] want to thank
[22:34] um as a priority and his staff for
[22:37] working with us to answer all the
[22:38] questions I mean all the questions
[22:40] answered from Mr Ferrari into the
[22:42] department head and I think that was
[22:44] well done well organized and I want to
[22:47] thank um everybody who was involved in
[22:49] getting that to the council member and
[22:50] have the questions answered and we've
[22:52] been able to have a small town process
[22:55] at the conclusion of all of that
[22:58] many many proposals and I want to be
[23:02] careful not changes many proposal was
[23:03] submitted to me and I compiled that last
[23:07] Friday and I had the opportunity to
[23:09] discuss that with me McCarthy and the
[23:11] commission of Finance before we discuss
[23:14] it on the floor visual proposal that we
[23:17] went through in detail
[23:19] and we looked at it we at the end of the
[23:22] meeting Friday we I asked Mr Ferrari to
[23:25] put some numbers towards these narrative
[23:28] and to submit to us and he did that
[23:31] yesterday and we were able to look at it
[23:33] I was able to look at the number
[23:35] yesterday and today I would miss a
[23:37] Ferrari Indian party this afternoon I
[23:39] had a meeting with him with Porterfield
[23:40] and look at numbers there were some
[23:43] there was some adjustment that
[23:45] we made it because
[23:47] um 20 20 and 20 and 2021 they were
[23:51] already money set aside for um budget
[23:54] deficit to help us with the 2022 2023
[23:57] and 2024 budget and that was a total of
[24:00] 10.5 million dollars
[24:03] so by doing that and making an
[24:05] adjustment we were able to start off
[24:07] save more money that is available in
[24:10] arpa and she'll put back all the items
[24:14] that were proposed to remove from arpa
[24:17] funding to General funding that was
[24:19] restored by using money that was already
[24:21] allocated prior to several meetings ago
[24:25] when we were meeting with regards to
[24:27] allocating Harper funding so the
[24:30] proposal that was submitted was to
[24:32] remove artwork funding and to use
[24:34] General funding that was reported this
[24:36] afternoon so all the items have been
[24:38] funded
[24:40] what originally funded by arpo will
[24:42] actually be funded by Arco but is
[24:44] funding from the 2020-2021 last Revenue
[24:47] allocation which was 10.5 million
[24:50] already set aside so that will bear in
[24:54] mind with that allocation and that
[24:56] correction that was made we're now
[24:58] seeing with the document that we have in
[24:59] front of us here in our location
[25:01] and factor in the 2.4 million dollars
[25:04] and we're using this for the 2023 budget
[25:07] which is considered additional
[25:10] lost Revenue
[25:12] we're seeing a balance of alpha
[25:15] remaining from 10.1 million
[25:17] 10.1 61 million dollars so those were
[25:20] adjustments by working with the mayor
[25:22] working with Mr Ferrari and staff we
[25:24] were able to identify and make this
[25:27] adjustment as this was already in there
[25:30] so I want to Echo that out that
[25:32] our performing is restored back and the
[25:35] money is not coming out the general fund
[25:37] so whatever was
[25:40] document was submitted to us yesterday
[25:42] by Mr Ferrari it was to look at it and
[25:44] look at how
[25:53] this is good news for us
[25:58] another stuff
[26:00] um let's do a little bit sewer
[26:03] based on recommendation
[26:05] from last
[26:06] [Music]
[26:06] um
[26:09] Fridays and overwhelmed we were able to
[26:12] come to a
[26:13] bring it to the council default Council
[26:17] an adjustment to the Sewer
[26:19] and their free increase
[26:22] The Proposal was a
[26:27] proposal for sure was 25.24 cents
[26:31] based on discussion last week into this
[26:34] week and today we are bringing to the
[26:37] top full Council the proposal to
[26:39] increase that by half instead of 25 000
[26:43] 24 cents we were increased on that by
[26:45] half
[26:48] that is a proposal on the table based on
[26:51] the feedback and based on a discussion
[26:55] if we were to go into water
[27:00] same discussion here
[27:04] also to change this and bear in mind the
[27:08] proposal to changes was that majority of
[27:12] us were asking for is zero increase in
[27:15] water and so
[27:16] there was a compromise to bring to the
[27:19] whole Council
[27:20] this afternoon and the water is also
[27:22] going up by
[27:24] half so instead of 12.97 that is being
[27:28] cut by half and that's a proposal being
[27:30] fatal
[27:31] this evening
[27:42] the next document that we have here is
[27:45] um
[27:47] the console budget changes from the
[27:50] general fund
[27:51] as we discussed this last week and
[27:56] these are being present
[28:00] to the full console
[28:02] and many of these that we have here that
[28:06] was supposed to be transferred to the
[28:08] general fund are now being transferred
[28:10] to our for funding and we keep myself
[28:13] with the 10.5 million dollars that was
[28:15] already allocated
[28:16] so these items are being funded as
[28:20] this year are performing until next year
[28:22] without Crow funding and not from the
[28:24] development
[28:40] happiness
[28:50] thank you
[29:02] also if you look at the top of the page
[29:04] there is a based on the proposal the ask
[29:09] is to reduce attacks by one percent and
[29:12] that is equivalent to 316
[29:14] 290 dollars
[29:16] with a new budget of 31 million 312 710
[29:20] that's the first line on the general
[29:22] fund page
[29:24] and then the Refuge crash and collection
[29:28] we are asking that we remove completely
[29:32] and there is discussion
[29:34] um being held right now in terms of the
[29:36] mayor has a programming put in place so
[29:38] he's discussing his staff and how we can
[29:39] report in terms of handling excessive
[29:41] garbage and things like that and we hope
[29:43] that we can address that in in a couple
[29:46] weeks
[29:47] prior to the tax bill will also we can
[29:50] do an amendment with regard to how we
[29:52] move in terms of adding feeds to this so
[29:55] the reason why that is being held until
[29:57] we can get more information on that
[30:01] the coveted systems we are using
[30:04] 2.406 250 from the arpa funding to help
[30:08] with the budget this year
[30:12] and then we are using 5 million 882 282
[30:15] from the money that was set aside I just
[30:17] spoke about 10.5 million dollars
[30:21] so in overall we're using 2.4 5.8
[30:25] and then we're taking 3.7 million
[30:27] dollars from the general fund
[30:30] so these are shifts that happen um
[30:33] basic discussion today and based on some
[30:35] adjustment that Anthony had
[30:38] um
[30:39] that I've had and then the bottom here
[30:42] again is the detail of all the uh
[30:43] purpose um
[30:45] changes that um
[30:49] on the table to the floor and if we have
[30:51] discussion we can discuss we will
[30:53] discuss this the
[30:56] General fun everybody has a copy of
[30:58] general fund
[31:04] sorry Capital phone sorry
[31:07] there's one changes here
[31:10] and I think this has to do with um
[31:29] yeah the question I was asked on this
[31:31] item
[31:32] on the solar no it's the computer parts and things that I
[31:38] have from the police department 223 423
[31:41] 000 and I think
[31:42] um Mr Ferrari came back to us and told
[31:44] us to remove that item and that was the
[31:47] answer to that question instead of
[31:49] providing they were asked to remove the
[31:51] item is not needed so that's the only
[31:53] changes to the capital
[31:54] um budget all right
[31:59] other than that um we are here we're
[32:02] gonna open professionals and discussion
[32:04] on this and I think what we have here is
[32:06] a pathway to move forward this budget I
[32:10] think um some of us will bring in the
[32:12] newspaper please disregard that um
[32:16] differently because differently and into
[32:19] that and people in motion and run high
[32:21] in newspaper so I want to say we're here
[32:24] to work for the people and we're here to
[32:26] do the work and deliver the work that
[32:27] people are all the time in and I have to
[32:29] give you know the mere credit I mean
[32:31] deliver a budget we must be passionate
[32:33] about you about your budget and um if I
[32:37] were you I would say no no but the
[32:39] council has to do what they have to do
[32:41] and I think this is a recommendation on
[32:44] the table for us to go over and ask
[32:47] questions and let's move forward
[32:48] budget
[32:59] when we had our discussion this
[33:01] afternoon and that's what we're asking
[33:02] we only had our discussion this
[33:03] afternoon because we were going to make
[33:05] some calls and we did uh yeah okay
[33:13] we didn't get very glad so so I can't
[33:17] support this
[33:23] mayor is that your only concern
[33:26] yes that we're using our compliance the
[33:28] condition of our funds is you cannot use
[33:30] it to reduce taxes
[33:32] so
[33:34] yeah as I mentioned to you this money is
[33:36] not coming out tomorrow we have seed out
[33:38] in municipality in the country using uh
[33:40] money to give tax incentive back and
[33:43] this money is coming out of the general
[33:44] effect
[33:46] The Narrative is that we have to address
[33:48] that this is coming out of the general
[33:49] department 316 000.
[33:52] and that's our fault
[34:06] go ahead please so
[34:09] um I guess I'd like to know where in the
[34:11] general fund that piece is coming from
[34:13] but also
[34:15] um in terms of the body cameras the
[34:17] reduction of the 223 000 from the
[34:21] capital budget was that something that
[34:23] was
[34:24] discussed with the chief or if you
[34:27] recall it
[34:28] does a meeting with the police force of
[34:30] Mike here Steve the chief Seaver
[34:32] mentioned that stability they need the
[34:34] money because they're using the Axiom
[34:36] they said they didn't want to they
[34:38] didn't they didn't want to say no to the
[34:41] money but they didn't need it for action
[34:44] okay I didn't have a note on that yeah
[34:45] and I think that was disgusting
[34:47] yeah you did this because I have to
[34:49] mentioned that at the meeting and then
[34:50] we follow up the question was asked and
[34:52] then Mr Prairie came back and says
[34:54] remove it the question was made from my
[34:56] notes yes because I I don't have that in
[34:59] mind it doesn't know that I have any
[35:01] questions
[35:02] yes Mr Speaker did mention that
[35:09] but
[35:13] let's check because we had so many
[35:15] pieces of paper that I want to make sure
[35:26] I don't have everything down
[35:36] could we ask the chief to weigh in on
[35:38] that
[35:39] I actually I should ask you yes
[35:43] I hate to put you on the spot but
[35:47] I know that that's on eventually will
[35:50] have the new
[35:52] yeah I mean it's my understanding that
[35:55] we didn't see the additional funding for
[35:57] the axon project but we're going to stay
[36:00] inconsistent with our requests to fund
[36:03] that technology and that was a part of
[36:04] our consistent request so I have to
[36:07] check with my seat or see if yeah if he
[36:09] has to I know we had grant funding to
[36:11] cover this year coming on but I just
[36:14] hate to set his behind
[36:16] that potentially was part of his
[36:18] financial plan for paying for it yearly
[36:22] um Chief I can say they could
[36:23] specifically say well you know we'd love
[36:25] to have another we really don't need it
[36:27] right now he actually said that so
[36:29] that's on camera yeah that's what that's
[36:31] what announcement he answered the
[36:33] question and then the question was asked
[36:34] again and then the answer came from this
[36:36] before I read this um no answer but just
[36:39] to remove that items no I don't need it
[36:40] doesn't know what I have
[36:45] I mean do you need the funding
[36:50] well uh my understanding the 233 000 223
[36:55] is
[36:57] three years of the replacement of that
[37:00] equipment
[37:01] and it wasn't just body cameras it was
[37:03] computers yeah servers other things like
[37:07] that so I mean I guess
[37:09] if uh if that's what he said
[37:12] no we can correct it if you think that
[37:15] that's a mistake
[37:18] I he just didn't make me aware of that
[37:23] and well it keeps up maybe because I'm
[37:26] gonna address your proposed cut and the
[37:28] overtime line
[37:31] yeah
[37:33] um
[37:35] let's address the um 223 I mean
[37:43] so it's the capital function it's a
[37:45] capital budget and uh if they were
[37:47] miscommunication from what was presented
[37:50] to us the question was asked
[37:54] Chief you're saying that we needed over
[37:56] the next three years
[37:57] I personally don't have once you add
[37:59] that back in 2.3
[38:01] so before I open up I want to make my
[38:03] stand on that 223
[38:06] 000 in capital budget for
[38:09] a computer
[38:11] server not cameras not cameras exactly
[38:14] well well the body more cameras we're
[38:18] almost there are the capital budget and
[38:19] you had to purchase them right but now
[38:21] it's a soft it's a service okay so we we knew going into the agreement that it
[38:26] was going to be project neutral but it
[38:27] was going to be consistent with what we
[38:29] always did we're asking for an increase
[38:31] right
[38:32] go ahead please I had numbered his
[38:36] preference yeah that night and number
[38:38] one was PD slash computer and servers
[38:41] and body cameras at 223 that was his
[38:44] first preference and the funding yeah Mr
[38:48] all right
[38:49] um
[38:51] if there's a support for it we can add
[38:54] it back
[38:55] that was a misunderstanding or
[38:57] miscommunication thank you
[39:02] I'd appreciate you adding it back in
[39:05] yeah yeah so Mr Ferrari we even had that
[39:08] back sorry for that
[39:10] um in this communication so 323
[39:13] will be added back to the PD and capital
[39:16] budget and that was the only change I
[39:18] think yeah that was that was only three
[39:19] capital
[39:21] um yeah just to be clear that was made
[39:24] based on what two favorite percentage
[39:25] Yeah that would promote based on what he
[39:28] told us on the question that was asked
[39:29] and the answer that we got so
[39:33] [Music]
[39:39] foreign
[39:55] on this line was for
[39:59] 425
[40:00] 306 dollars every Tuesday of a timeline
[40:04] made out of month
[40:05] after the discussion and feedback
[40:09] they asked went down to 256 thousand one
[40:13] six one
[40:14] that is on ph one of the general
[40:17] um
[40:27] go ahead please so we're consistently
[40:30] over budget with this every year
[40:34] what makes us think cutting it
[40:36] is a good move
[40:40] the notes that I have here is because of
[40:43] what was asked of us last year to
[40:45] support police increase they start
[40:47] reading our notes at a police increase
[40:50] the Staffing and things that actually
[40:52] the chief told us that by doing that
[40:56] we're gonna eventually see savings
[40:58] coming from the reduction end of the
[41:00] time and I think some of the that was
[41:02] some of the arrays and the question the
[41:04] proposals
[41:06] then we went back from the original Last
[41:08] of 425 306 from the 2023 higher that's
[41:13] the Total Staffing was a 70 Fringe
[41:16] benefit
[41:17] but then it was reduced back after
[41:20] discussion to 256.
[41:23] and 334 right from 420 429 5.
[41:29] oh maybe it's a I was looking at it
[41:34] and now it's down to 256 161.
[41:41] sorry I'm looking in the budget
[41:43] it says
[41:45] 334 241 on that line but
[41:52] 31.
[41:54] um
[41:55] proposal sheet that was submitted Friday
[41:58] I do have that yeah that one will sell
[42:00] you
[42:01] more detail on it
[42:09] I was just looking at the original
[42:11] budget okay where are we projected the
[42:14] hit overtime this year
[42:18] roughly
[42:20] it's probably going to be close to 2
[42:21] million
[42:24] so then we're at least 200 000 below
[42:28] the proposed budget
[42:31] how will that Impact Staffing and
[42:35] dealing with issues
[42:38] may I add response time please because I
[42:41] think that that our big problem right
[42:43] now is
[42:44] hiring police officers and getting them
[42:46] fully trained to meet the doctor that's
[42:49] been reported to us for Staffing until
[42:52] that happens we have to fill the shifts
[42:54] with overtime
[42:56] we have nine officers in the police
[42:58] academy right now we have four in field
[43:00] training there's 13 right there they
[43:03] can't work all the time
[43:04] so we're just filling those spots right
[43:06] now for dealing with an increase in
[43:08] crime so making uh Staffing changes by
[43:13] bringing investigators down toward
[43:14] Patrol isn't the smartest move this like
[43:17] I set us back even farther so we will
[43:20] stay within whatever budget we're
[43:21] afforded we may have to reduce our
[43:24] staffing levels to get there and what
[43:26] that means is that we just don't hire as
[43:28] many officers to get to where we
[43:30] currently are on a daily basis
[43:32] and ultimately
[43:34] you know depending on whether we have
[43:36] major events it could impact specialized
[43:38] details as they come up but that's
[43:40] always an unknown
[43:45] so Chase just that I'm kind of a bit
[43:47] about something in terms of the higher
[43:49] income last year and into this here next
[43:52] year how is that going to roll out
[43:55] to better serve your department
[43:58] and to help with this
[44:00] deal with that
[44:01] well with me you can't seem to get ahead
[44:04] I mean we hired nine and we lost eight
[44:07] retirements
[44:08] and then we lose two of the transfers so
[44:11] we're while we have nine in the academy
[44:14] and we have four in field training right
[44:16] now we have by the end of the year we'll
[44:19] have 13 openings that we're going to
[44:21] have to fill and we're consistently
[44:24] trying to catch up in all those openings
[44:25] right now are in our Patrol Division
[44:27] which is where the Lions share of the
[44:29] overtime is being spent
[44:32] it's
[44:33] the lag that we've been in is going to
[44:35] take more than one year
[44:38] but funding is available under those
[44:40] retirement lines that can be used to
[44:42] offset
[44:44] any other costs
[44:47] sure we always take a look at our budget
[44:49] towards the end of the year to see what
[44:51] money is available if we need to come
[44:53] and ask for the value of the transfer so
[44:56] there is funding available on if your
[44:58] retirement my retirements or 10
[45:00] retirement
[45:01] I'm sure what else on it can be adjusted
[45:04] to use
[45:06] until until you get new hires
[45:10] yeah well it's just a wash yeah so
[45:15] if we're spending two million in
[45:17] overtime now
[45:19] and Regatta Walsh and we have guys that
[45:22] can't
[45:24] do over time
[45:26] then where do we expect we're gonna fill
[45:29] in the the time that's necessary unless
[45:33] we actually do cutbacks to Patrols
[45:38] thank you
[45:39] any questions asked in terms of
[45:43] hiring
[45:45] officers
[45:46] and we have continued to do that we
[45:48] continue to support this budget is
[45:49] carrying new officers into next year and
[45:52] 2022 also have officers being hired
[45:55] so it's a matter of retirement funding
[45:57] is available
[46:01] yeah but we have to address across the
[46:04] board too to address that so we don't
[46:05] want to say that the time is cut but we
[46:07] don't have any funding there is funding
[46:08] available
[46:10] that can be used
[46:14] so Chief I understand that um the new
[46:17] people can't work overtime but will them
[46:19] now be on the street because you did
[46:21] send us an email about how many people
[46:22] are going to get on the street so them
[46:24] going on the street will reduce some of
[46:26] the hours of the folks who are now
[46:28] working all the time because now we're
[46:29] putting more officers
[46:31] um in the field
[46:33] it definitely helps us having those we
[46:36] just had four come out of field training
[46:37] they help us with our midnight shift
[46:40] right now and then the other four that
[46:42] are in a field training should be off
[46:44] I want to say by mid-December so so they
[46:49] will be able to help us out also which
[46:51] means that you know the numbers that
[46:54] show up are good we don't have to have a
[46:56] higher level which is where we want to
[46:57] get to many times with crime being high
[47:00] even when we have those numbers of
[47:02] people show up have a supplemental
[47:04] Staffing on the street to do targeted
[47:06] details
[47:07] for a chronically committed with the low
[47:11] Staffing that we've had we haven't even
[47:12] had the ability to hire those officers
[47:14] even if we wanted to
[47:16] so it's a it's not even really a
[47:18] financial issue as much as it is a
[47:20] Staffing issue right now but at some
[47:22] point our staffing will get there and we
[47:25] want to reduce crime that we're going to
[47:26] want to have somebody available to do it
[47:34] so it's for me the consensus is uh if
[47:37] we're incorporating a new technology
[47:39] into the department and then if we're
[47:42] refurbishing a lot of here
[47:45] technological resources recognizing that
[47:49] those cost savings might not be
[47:50] experienced immediately
[47:52] um but again
[47:55] adding more money to the overtime budget
[47:58] or recognizing that the original
[47:59] consideration of reducing it or not
[48:02] reducing it but
[48:03] um further evaluating that four hundred
[48:05] thousand dollars might have been
[48:07] excessive
[48:08] so the new figure of 256 000 I think
[48:13] incorporates what everyone has already
[48:15] identified as you ask some technology is
[48:17] going to assist when it does that is the
[48:20] question but eventually having the
[48:21] additional officers is going to assist
[48:24] um
[48:25] I guess it's then a game of windows cost
[48:27] savings actually contribute equipment
[48:29] but a question that I had was I know
[48:31] you're making considerable efforts with
[48:33] working with the community so have you
[48:35] recognized or do you foresee any
[48:38] benefits from the relationships that
[48:40] you're establishing with local
[48:41] organizations as we start to mention
[48:42] what community policing looks like in
[48:44] Schenectady so it is entirely not what
[48:47] is the police doing to respond to crime
[48:50] or inappropriate behaviors but how can
[48:52] as a community be surround and and help
[48:55] guide that change with you as well
[48:57] stuff it's not
[48:59] I see a difference and I think my
[49:02] investigators do too where the level of
[49:04] cooperation for solving crimes is
[49:06] certainly higher
[49:08] um but it's really not something that we
[49:10] can quantify with numbers to say that
[49:11] yes we're seeing a difference but it's
[49:14] you know crimes you're being committed
[49:16] we're making those arrests is it's just
[49:19] that you know so so I think that uh we
[49:23] continuously engage with the community
[49:25] and ask them to be
[49:27] part of a solution with helping us we
[49:29] did it last night with Community
[49:30] meetings and it's very important for us
[49:33] to get the community to be a part of
[49:35] helping us keep the city safe it's just
[49:38] a matter of uh
[49:39] getting enough officers out there to
[49:41] respond to the volume of calls that are
[49:43] coming in
[49:45] right now
[49:49] go ahead so the other position that um
[49:53] is being suggested to be cut is the
[49:55] information Tech specialist that is 65
[49:59] 000 that I think was a new
[50:01] um position I think and I think that
[50:04] um you were stating that position would allow a police
[50:08] officer that would be a civilian and so
[50:10] therefore a police officer would be
[50:13] um wouldn't have to do that any longer
[50:15] and you could use that police officer to
[50:17] actually be
[50:19] police officer a police officer doing
[50:21] police work I was going to say
[50:23] um so can you speak a little bit to that
[50:24] as well because that's also being
[50:26] proposed as being cut
[50:28] yeah I mean this is a position that I
[50:32] have a lieutenant that I've asked that
[50:34] actually help us make advances in these
[50:37] technology and what I found is that a
[50:40] large amount of his time is being spent
[50:42] doing things out of somebody can do uh
[50:45] issuing equipment taking equipment and
[50:47] sending it out for repair this morning I
[50:50] pulled in he's helping uh he's one of
[50:53] our guys from the Communication Center
[50:56] installed Raiders and cars so these are
[50:59] the things that could be done by a
[51:01] civilian don't necessarily have to be
[51:03] done by a lieutenant
[51:04] so that's why we asked him the position
[51:06] so that that Lieutenant can actually do
[51:10] the work necessary to get that
[51:12] technology to help reduce crime to help officers get the information that
[51:18] they need to reduce crime to reduce the
[51:20] need for police officers we've we've
[51:23] built the foundation of Technology at
[51:24] this point we just haven't started
[51:25] framing the house yet with it and that's
[51:28] the that's where the next step is that I
[51:30] want to go with it
[51:31] um so if that position isn't funded
[51:33] we'll have to figure out a way to do it
[51:35] in-house and my only other option is to
[51:38] use police officers
[51:42] sorry and I just want to ask
[51:45] um again to Mr Williams I think we did
[51:48] all identify that it obviously will take
[51:50] some time for the new technology to be
[51:53] to arrive to be put into a place to be
[51:58] you know for training and and those
[52:00] kinds of things do you have any sense of
[52:02] what that timeline might be at this
[52:05] point for axon
[52:08] well I think there's other Technologies
[52:11] we should have axon
[52:13] deployed by the first of the year okay
[52:16] we'll be issuing it I would say a month
[52:19] or two to actually have fully up and
[52:21] running okay and that's across the board
[52:23] from Cars camera body camera systems
[52:27] interview
[52:28] and then even the virtual reality
[52:30] training of many of these other
[52:32] Technologies I'm always optimistic when
[52:34] I can say next year's the year we're
[52:36] going to do it but I truly believe that
[52:39] next year we will be making a big jump
[52:42] if not by then this year but a big jump
[52:43] and doing some of these things well it's emerging technology so there's no
[52:49] blueprint in place for us to say yes
[52:51] we'll have this by this time it's a work
[52:53] of progress we're we're actually doing
[52:55] things that we'll be speaking about at
[52:57] national conferences right at some point
[52:59] so it's it's it's really cool
[53:01] interesting thing but it takes people
[53:03] that don't
[53:05] but Chief um currently you're utilizing
[53:09] the central I.T department for any it
[53:12] related work that is needed we are yes
[53:16] and just to reference that
[53:18] um
[53:19] we're actually in this 2023 budget there
[53:22] is an additional staff for the central
[53:24] I.T Department
[53:27] so they are actually beating up with
[53:29] additional Staffing here
[53:32] so so actually can you continue to use
[53:34] this office and they're getting
[53:36] additional staff at this point in time
[53:38] I think the need is there then
[53:40] we can revisit it
[53:44] I certainly can
[53:46] I'm going to say this in the best way it
[53:48] makes it helps them they're very
[53:51] overwhelmed
[53:52] um one of the reasons I've asked for
[53:55] this is that there's a lag between
[53:56] passage or something and actually
[53:58] getting it done
[53:59] through Central I.T and this is not a
[54:02] knock on a lawn or John or anybody that
[54:05] works there it's just they have a lot
[54:06] going on not just the police department
[54:08] but every other department that's using
[54:10] technology So the plan was never to
[54:13] replace them but to supplement them with
[54:15] the with an embedded uh civilian that
[54:18] can actually manage the technology
[54:21] that's in the police department that's
[54:23] really overwhelming at this point
[54:30] so um to that comment of where that
[54:33] position and that assistance will lie
[54:35] and just responding to miss Patrick's of
[54:37] like a cut I think it's important that
[54:39] we recognize that words matter and I
[54:40] think that was a the theme that was
[54:42] recognized from the recent article in
[54:44] today's paper I think we're just trying
[54:46] to identify whether the comparative
[54:49] advantage of having this resource in
[54:52] your current department where you do the
[54:54] work you understand the system outweighs
[54:57] the potential absolute advantage that it
[55:00] would make sense having this in an I.T
[55:01] Department I absolutely yield the fact
[55:04] that they maybe or probably are
[55:06] overtasking overburdened but I I
[55:09] wholeheartedly think that supporting the
[55:10] department who can meet the needs for
[55:12] the entire city I think is a better
[55:14] position to take that way that we have a
[55:18] unified front of understanding what the
[55:20] needs are across the board and if it's
[55:22] as simple as well what needs and
[55:23] resources that they need I think it's
[55:25] easier to best bolster them than having
[55:29] satellites and I think that I'm open to
[55:31] any comment from afford
[55:35] I suggested that that was the
[55:38] theory of the council is approaching is
[55:41] to move that line item out of
[55:44] the police department budget put it in
[55:46] I.T so we'd be able to hire the person
[55:48] and then give me the ability to assign
[55:50] them an appropriate manner wherever
[55:52] they're needed
[55:54] but then based on discussion on there is
[55:56] also a new hire I.T higher on the
[55:58] Channel online team Department I could
[56:01] hire four people we have six to four and
[56:04] we can't seems like I didn't want to
[56:07] cook so please go ahead please
[56:11] for what it's worth
[56:15] I can't remember how many years ago
[56:17] maybe eight years ago when we merged our
[56:20] communication center with the unified
[56:21] Communications with the county
[56:23] while we had it in-house we had a
[56:25] communications director who served the
[56:27] role similar to what I'm trying to bring
[56:29] back here that managed our technology
[56:32] but when we merged with the county
[56:33] that's one of the jobs that left the
[56:35] police department and we served to miss
[56:37] him
[56:38] now even more because we have more
[56:40] technology like body cameras and car
[56:42] videos this will be before all of that
[56:44] so that's kind of where we we've kind of
[56:48] fit we've plugged that Gap by using
[56:51] Personnel within the police department
[56:52] but now we need cops
[56:56] go ahead what I was going to say is that
[56:59] I think we're putting um additional work
[57:01] into the I.T Department besides this
[57:05] um when we think about some of the
[57:06] things that we are hoping to accom I
[57:08] think that Mr colluccio when he
[57:10] presented to us was talking about some
[57:13] of the um needs that even from his area
[57:16] to that area
[57:17] um might be increasing so
[57:20] it seems like we've made a commitment
[57:22] and a substantial commitment to the new
[57:24] technology that the police department
[57:26] will be
[57:28] um having and putting into place over
[57:29] the next several years and
[57:32] um
[57:33] I feel that that really
[57:37] weighs even harder that we probably
[57:39] should use the um Information Technology
[57:42] Specialists within the police department
[57:45] um as opposed to being in I.T I think
[57:48] also and the mayor spoke about this when
[57:50] he presented the budget originally which
[57:52] is that the need for cyber security
[57:55] um and the kinds of things that we're
[57:57] all facing on but you know that the city
[58:00] has been facing an increased level also
[58:03] puts additional burden on to the team
[58:06] down in RIT department so
[58:08] um I hear what you're saying I I I
[58:11] in terms of siloing and and that type of
[58:14] thing but even when I think about the
[58:16] kinds of things that I'm hoping at least
[58:18] that we will be able to accomplish soon
[58:20] sooner rather than later around traffic
[58:22] issues or you know those kinds of things
[58:25] I mean there's going to be additional
[58:26] burden
[58:27] um on our Police Department as well as
[58:29] on you know some of the other technology
[58:32] that the city is currently employing so
[58:35] I would still advocate for that position
[58:40] [Music]
[58:40] um
[58:41] and I think there's other places where
[58:43] we could trim from the these suggestions
[58:46] on this on this page that we that we
[58:48] have in front of us this evening
[58:50] just uh basically no say to address
[58:53] um
[58:54] give commentary guys so miss the
[58:55] collusion yes he has a building uh
[58:58] principal building on it I mean people
[58:59] are who is actually functioning as an
[59:01] I.T person
[59:09] [Music]
[59:12] so he has the support here
[59:16] in his own Department
[59:19] the job description here is inaccurate
[59:22] so that's what I am here so that's what
[59:25] I'd say so yes he is having a backfield
[59:27] here and that person's assistant and
[59:29] also doing additional work to my point
[59:31] of he's in other words he's not meeting
[59:33] the I.T result
[59:34] [Music]
[59:39] rather than having multiple hires so I
[59:42] think that's where the note I have from
[59:44] based on feedback
[59:47] yes so with Exxon coming on board how is
[59:51] that you know they you said they were
[59:54] going to be doing a lot of the they'll
[59:55] get the data and they'll be doing a lot
[59:56] of the information you know they'll be
[59:58] doing a lot with the data so can you
[59:59] talk a little bit more about that
[1:00:00] because you know that's what the IT
[1:00:02] people do so how is Aston supplementing
[1:00:06] that since we're going into a contract
[1:00:07] with that
[1:00:09] well
[1:00:11] one of the reasons why
[1:00:13] uh this person is important for us is
[1:00:16] the fact that is a technology
[1:00:18] quartermaster for us and and Mr Williams
[1:00:21] uh
[1:00:22] point I just want to make clear that it
[1:00:25] was never intended to take an I.T person
[1:00:27] having work for me it was always going
[1:00:29] to work for John's hierarchy with under
[1:00:32] bowand they would just be embedded at
[1:00:34] the police department kept holding on to
[1:00:37] all that Hardware that we need and then
[1:00:40] be there to work on the software as
[1:00:41] needed the axon technology once
[1:00:45] implemented will certainly be less labor
[1:00:48] intensive for doing so many things like
[1:00:49] production transcription and even
[1:00:53] finding and retrieving videos for our
[1:00:56] district attorney's office for Discovery
[1:00:58] all that stuff is going to really
[1:00:59] streamline all that there will be a need
[1:01:02] for somebody to be a liaison to the
[1:01:04] district attorney's office it just won't
[1:01:06] be there as much so
[1:01:09] axon is actually going to make the job
[1:01:11] easier but we will have
[1:01:14] what which we currently do have the
[1:01:16] hardware maintenance piece of it we
[1:01:19] currently have that with Panasonic we
[1:01:21] will have that with axon if a camera
[1:01:23] breaks it has to be taken and sent out
[1:01:25] for repair a spare taken out of storage
[1:01:28] and issued out and of course the logging
[1:01:31] and tracking with all that stuff
[1:01:37] thank you
[1:01:43] any other questions for the chief
[1:01:46] thank you thank you
[1:01:49] the other one I just want to um on page
[1:01:53] one all the way to the bottom
[1:01:55] fleet manager this was a recommendation
[1:01:58] from the mayor and Commissioner of
[1:02:00] Finance so make this adjustment on this
[1:02:04] sheet
[1:02:05] some of the place manager and assign the
[1:02:08] funding onto the assistant fleet manager
[1:02:17] 32.
[1:02:20] [Music]
[1:02:33] that's what this is
[1:02:38] um
[1:02:41] so I think when we heard about that
[1:02:44] position from I guess it looks like it
[1:02:47] must have been
[1:02:48] Mr Food Show maybe Mr Lavon was it Mr
[1:02:53] um he mentioned that the fleet manager
[1:02:55] position was a contractual position so
[1:02:57] it's okay to eliminate a contractual
[1:02:58] this is way a city
[1:03:02] this is a
[1:03:05] once uh in the csca bargain
[1:03:09] so we'd be eliminating a position from
[1:03:11] the cscaa
[1:03:14] Civil Service issue
[1:03:26] so
[1:03:27] what was the final step on this the
[1:03:30] assistant
[1:03:35] right there
[1:03:38] are you talking about
[1:03:41] step five that's probably fair I'm sorry
[1:03:44] step six step six
[1:04:01] music here that we talk about this
[1:04:04] last week and I think I made some more
[1:04:08] but I want to clarify it so I am almost
[1:04:10] Patrick you were asking for this to be
[1:04:13] coming from the general fund instead of
[1:04:17] um
[1:04:20] I did make notes but I wasn't getting
[1:04:23] along with it so I'm not sure if you
[1:04:25] want to talk about it I think you talk
[1:04:26] about it but if you don't mind I did
[1:04:28] speak about it um the reason that I
[1:04:30] would prefer seeing you come from the
[1:04:31] general fund
[1:04:33] um I think that what I said at the last
[1:04:36] meeting was that music Haven is a
[1:04:38] tremendous resource in terms of the
[1:04:40] diversity of the audiences that come the
[1:04:43] thousands of people that come throughout
[1:04:45] the summer to not only the concert
[1:04:47] series but also the support that paid
[1:04:51] music Haven staff at that point
[1:04:53] um also give to some of our special
[1:04:55] events that take place at music Haven
[1:04:58] um so
[1:05:00] basically the twenty thousand dollars
[1:05:03] um would help support probably the music
[1:05:06] um aspect of Music Haven
[1:05:09] um music Haven itself raises
[1:05:12] um sometimes more than 150 000 in
[1:05:15] private funding every summer to do what
[1:05:17] they need to do
[1:05:19] um to present this concert series
[1:05:21] um and supplement the other activities
[1:05:23] such as Caribbean day or Juneteenth
[1:05:27] um that happen in Central Park so
[1:05:30] um that was what I was advocating for
[1:05:32] and I was hoping that it would go into
[1:05:34] the general operating budget and thus be
[1:05:38] something that we would discuss again in
[1:05:40] 2024's general operating budget
[1:05:44] so that's why I had suggested that
[1:05:46] instead of Harper thank you for doing
[1:05:48] that because I made some knowledge that
[1:05:50] I wasn't sure if it's horrible or a
[1:05:52] general form I did say yes
[1:05:57] any question on this on being funded
[1:06:00] from the channels one
[1:06:02] I don't have an issue with having this
[1:06:04] uh permanent budget and we need to
[1:06:06] support music with it I mean we were all
[1:06:09] um and received an email they left their
[1:06:11] policies upward of 150 000.
[1:06:14] and twenty thousand dollars to support
[1:06:16] that
[1:06:18] it's not a bad thing to start with
[1:06:27] [Music]
[1:06:34] the other stuff here I wanna I would
[1:06:36] like to talk about the youth employment
[1:06:38] um that the money was originally
[1:06:40] allocated forty three thousand dollars
[1:06:42] to the USB Road and we're actually
[1:06:45] making a recommendation to keep this
[1:06:47] money in-house at 107 000 to bring that
[1:06:51] up to 150 000 and it's huge employment
[1:06:54] to the city is connected these lives
[1:06:56] Schenectady school district near McCarty
[1:06:58] I'm a school district this year had a
[1:07:01] program that was running it was very
[1:07:03] successful a forest program I think we
[1:07:05] need to build on it and allocating 150
[1:07:08] 000 will give them a flexibility to work
[1:07:10] for the school district and to work with
[1:07:13] these students so to get them reply out
[1:07:16] of you know so here are additional
[1:07:19] funding and more more students towards
[1:07:22] this program
[1:07:26] I definitely support that
[1:07:29] we discussed this by last Friday but I
[1:07:31] just want to Echo it's worth
[1:07:36] and we got an opportunity to um to
[1:07:38] listen to that photo
[1:07:42] yeah and on the success of the program
[1:07:45] and things like that so you know we were
[1:07:47] briefed on the many things that happened
[1:07:49] here
[1:07:51] foreign
[1:08:08] office and we see that there's
[1:08:12] added changes here so any discussion on
[1:08:17] um
[1:08:18] the affirmative action
[1:08:19] um
[1:08:20] officer and they added staff and the
[1:08:24] expense
[1:08:28] at 1430 100.
[1:08:35] I can say I do support that we heard
[1:08:37] from Mr Mr Gardner in regarding what
[1:08:40] they're doing what also what they're
[1:08:41] trying to do in addition the mayor has
[1:08:43] consistently said that he wants to do a
[1:08:45] program that would use
[1:08:47] folks from that um from from what Mr
[1:08:49] Gardner was doing and the program that
[1:08:51] he's running he has been
[1:08:54] kind of doing what he's doing with
[1:08:56] assistance from other staff but not a dedicate not dedicated staff to do
[1:09:01] what he's doing and I believe he's I
[1:09:03] he's shown results he's shown that you
[1:09:06] know he's getting getting some getting
[1:09:08] the work done that he's intended to do
[1:09:09] however I'm sure that uh he could use
[1:09:12] some relief I know he spends a lot of
[1:09:14] hours here uh at City Hall
[1:09:17] and so I think we should just go we
[1:09:19] should do this to increase the work
[1:09:21] that's being done and to support the
[1:09:22] other programs that are being suggested
[1:09:24] and to also make sure that as we have
[1:09:27] different projects that are here in the
[1:09:29] city that we have folks who are coming
[1:09:31] through this program we're able to be
[1:09:33] able to work on those projects in the
[1:09:35] city and therefore increase the people
[1:09:38] who live here because that's one of the
[1:09:40] things he's focused on to make sure that
[1:09:42] they are be able to gain an income buy a
[1:09:45] home themselves and do all that so I
[1:09:47] know this program is doing well and part
[1:09:49] of what we always talk about when we
[1:09:50] talk about budgeting things is that the
[1:09:53] program has to produce or or show some results and his program has
[1:09:58] definitely shown results so I would I
[1:10:00] would support that
[1:10:03] and the other comments in this
[1:10:08] the other one I would like to also touch
[1:10:10] base on is a deputy registered and this
[1:10:12] might come on let's put Tennis Club do
[1:10:13] you want to talk about this position on
[1:10:16] the important and why you need about it
[1:10:18] sorry I missed you last Friday so we'll
[1:10:21] talk about it and I have a military that
[1:10:23] says I should ask you to kind of give us
[1:10:26] a brief a brief summary
[1:10:29] on what's happening there
[1:10:35] so the deputy registrar position
[1:10:38] is needed for many of much of the vital
[1:10:41] records that we're doing right now the
[1:10:44] state has
[1:10:48] changed many of their processes within
[1:10:52] the past year
[1:10:53] where they've increased it and shifted
[1:10:54] the burden onto the municipality rather
[1:10:57] than onto the safe employee more of the
[1:11:00] filing and even printing of documents
[1:11:03] where they're not providing us all of
[1:11:05] that anymore
[1:11:07] so it's needed that where we have these
[1:11:11] staff Staffing
[1:11:14] support all of that
[1:11:21] and I just almost pulled them back and
[1:11:22] we did talk about the principal building
[1:11:24] audience on AP clerk who is actually
[1:11:25] functioning as an iot person 1620-100
[1:11:29] but straightforward to the page that
[1:11:32] person is actually getting adjustment
[1:11:34] and functioning design people
[1:11:57] thank you
[1:12:08] go ahead sorry I I think that um this is
[1:12:11] sort of a general statement across the
[1:12:13] uh Staffing lines and I want to start
[1:12:15] out by saying I have the utmost respect
[1:12:18] um for the work that our city staff does
[1:12:20] but there's also
[1:12:23] for me
[1:12:25] and I guess I want to hear a little bit
[1:12:26] more from the mirror but
[1:12:28] I feel that over the course of the time
[1:12:31] before the budget was presented to us in
[1:12:34] its original form obviously the mayor is
[1:12:37] the CEO of our city met with all the
[1:12:40] cotton heads met with you know our
[1:12:42] Commissioner of finance and and
[1:12:44] um
[1:12:45] I'm
[1:12:47] a little uncomfortable with making
[1:12:50] decisions that are not the decisions
[1:12:53] that our CEO has spent time on
[1:12:57] deliberating And discussing I feel that
[1:13:00] it is our responsibility because the
[1:13:02] budget is our responsibility I
[1:13:04] understand that completely but I also
[1:13:06] feel that the day-to-day sort of
[1:13:08] operational
[1:13:11] piece of what happens here
[1:13:13] um is just not uh you know I think we're
[1:13:16] here a lot all of us are here a lot
[1:13:18] meeting with folks and and seeing what
[1:13:20] happens but we don't have that same
[1:13:21] level of day-to-day operational
[1:13:24] expertise
[1:13:25] um so
[1:13:27] I don't know if you want to comment but
[1:13:29] we're making you know this would make
[1:13:31] Staffing changes
[1:13:33] um
[1:13:35] uh again I've made my recommendations
[1:13:38] for Council
[1:13:40] to democracy some people have the
[1:13:42] opportunity to do an end run may present
[1:13:47] the council with more of a limited
[1:13:49] perspective
[1:13:51] and but that becomes your final decision
[1:13:53] my recommendation for the original
[1:13:55] budget
[1:14:04] so go ahead so I understand what you're
[1:14:08] saying Miss Patrick however you know it
[1:14:10] is the council the council to to
[1:14:13] um to pass the budget to make sure that
[1:14:17] you try to make sure that all
[1:14:19] departments are
[1:14:21] able to function to vestibility we have
[1:14:24] continually talked about the openings
[1:14:25] that we have that's just been a
[1:14:26] conversation for quite some time and I
[1:14:29] respect that uh you know deferring to
[1:14:31] the mayor however it is a system of
[1:14:33] checks and balances and so part of our
[1:14:37] responsibility is to you know to pass
[1:14:39] the budget and to and
[1:14:41] I know that the mayor going into this as
[1:14:44] any of C CFO or CEO would is knowing
[1:14:47] that what they present won't doesn't
[1:14:49] necessarily mean that's what's going to
[1:14:50] walk out the door so I believe that the
[1:14:52] mayor as has approached this as a
[1:14:54] negotiation process as he does all
[1:14:56] negotiations and that things will change
[1:14:58] so I I don't think that's lost on any of
[1:15:00] us so
[1:15:01] um I'm not sure if there's a particular
[1:15:05] Department that you're thinking that we
[1:15:08] you know we've made too many changes or
[1:15:09] we shouldn't make any changes but
[1:15:13] um it's you know it's something that we
[1:15:15] have to really consider in terms of
[1:15:17] Staffing we can talk about it all the
[1:15:18] time how there's limited Staffing houses
[1:15:20] where the city is understaffed we've
[1:15:23] heard it from the department heads not
[1:15:24] only just during budget season I mean on
[1:15:26] a continual basis we've had Cohen
[1:15:29] Sportsman who is doing better now when
[1:15:30] there was a discussion and said how many
[1:15:32] people are missing and he told us how
[1:15:34] many people are missing his department
[1:15:35] so you know we want to be able to
[1:15:37] provide the best Services possible to
[1:15:40] our our employees
[1:15:42] um are excuse me our residents and part
[1:15:44] of that is making sure we're standing at
[1:15:46] the level that we can do that
[1:15:50] I'm just to answer that I mean almost
[1:15:53] every budget as long as I've been in the
[1:15:54] council we have made changes we have
[1:15:58] made changes and be able to make a
[1:15:59] recommendation to us we need changes we
[1:16:02] discuss it we focus on it and it's
[1:16:04] adopted uh and then we have documents
[1:16:07] Financial Services
[1:16:12] we have to look at the minute also look
[1:16:15] at the uh
[1:16:17] the numbers in the budget and also take
[1:16:20] more time to look at we can't pass on
[1:16:22] importance of attack speed
[1:16:24] every time we have to you know
[1:16:26] increments in this budget we're looking
[1:16:29] at passing on some fees increased
[1:16:32] to the taxpayer water and soil
[1:16:35] some of us mentioned last week that they
[1:16:37] were
[1:16:38] followed no increase I myself made a
[1:16:43] followed no increase after talking to
[1:16:46] the mayor I am comfortable to for a
[1:16:48] small increase and yes I am open to next
[1:16:52] year to look at another increase because
[1:16:55] we have Debt Pay 2020 believe 2023 into
[1:17:00] 2024 and a couple changing the position
[1:17:03] after listening to the media this
[1:17:04] afternoon and Mr Ferrari on how we move
[1:17:07] forward in one episode
[1:17:12] about half of that and next year I'm
[1:17:17] committed to to look at that and to
[1:17:19] support
[1:17:20] our living flower
[1:17:22] so just on that note
[1:17:25] um in terms of the tax cut
[1:17:29] um and certainly I understand I mean I'm
[1:17:31] a resident here as well obviously uh you
[1:17:34] know we know what our tax situation is
[1:17:36] but my My worry is that if we do make a
[1:17:40] tax cut of even the one percent
[1:17:43] um what happens next year I mean are we
[1:17:45] going to end up having to increase taxes
[1:17:47] by two percent
[1:17:50] um you know or in other words is there
[1:17:53] an incremental change even there that on
[1:17:56] like the changes that are being
[1:17:59] presented tonight in those other two
[1:18:01] funds
[1:18:03] um I just want to get a thought on what
[1:18:05] does the future hold
[1:18:07] um if we if we if I can address that
[1:18:11] basic conversation that I have the
[1:18:13] commission on finance
[1:18:14] we have money set aside from our money
[1:18:17] set aside for 25 October 2023 2024 so
[1:18:21] how can any deficit that's what we took
[1:18:23] some money today to help in this 2013
[1:18:26] budget they are additional funding
[1:18:28] available there
[1:18:30] in the millions of dollars to help push
[1:18:32] it that's what you're talking about
[1:18:33] there so if there's any shortfall
[1:18:36] the budget is there except we can't use
[1:18:39] it for the tax cut
[1:18:41] um so we have to really look at you know
[1:18:43] this other 300 last week we have a
[1:18:45] Special Olympics a priority and he
[1:18:46] mentioned to us that the revenue of
[1:18:48] looking at increasing revenue and
[1:18:50] revenue sustainable
[1:18:52] over the years so that we can sustain
[1:18:54] after Harper is over and done
[1:18:57] we have Revenue coming in to keep these
[1:18:59] jobs in the surface flooring so that was
[1:19:01] Mr Ferrari's comment last week to us how
[1:19:04] do we sustain these
[1:19:07] circus and uh after the monitor
[1:19:11] and I have one more thing I do want to
[1:19:14] end with all due respect
[1:19:16] um in terms of adding the legal services
[1:19:19] um to city council and I guess the
[1:19:21] civilian police review board
[1:19:23] I really feel hearing from you and the
[1:19:27] mayor last week about the fact that and
[1:19:29] I've talked to some folks since then the
[1:19:31] fact that there used to be an attorney
[1:19:32] from our Corporation Council who uh his
[1:19:37] office
[1:19:38] um who would attend every civilian
[1:19:40] police review board
[1:19:42] um I would love to see that reinstated
[1:19:44] rather than spending more money on an
[1:19:46] additional attorney and with that in
[1:19:50] terms of you know discussion and
[1:19:51] compromise Etc I really don't think that
[1:19:54] we need to add an attorney
[1:19:58] um for city council I just
[1:20:00] um you know as I said last week
[1:20:04] um I think that
[1:20:06] in terms of the support that we get from
[1:20:10] our Corporation Council when any of us
[1:20:13] have an issue or a question or something
[1:20:16] that you know we need legal a legal
[1:20:18] opinion I guess I would say
[1:20:21] um I have been completely satisfied
[1:20:25] um and I don't think it's been too much
[1:20:26] of an additional burden I think probably
[1:20:28] in the three years that I've that I've
[1:20:30] been on Console I've probably you know
[1:20:33] could count on my on one hand maybe
[1:20:36] um and you know Mr Golden has always
[1:20:39] either met with me or certainly You Know
[1:20:43] spoken with me about my concerns so
[1:20:46] I don't know I don't want to put you on
[1:20:48] the spot but I just don't see the need
[1:20:50] at least for
[1:20:51] um an additional hire
[1:20:54] um to work with city council I just
[1:20:56] think that's
[1:20:57] spending money that we don't we don't
[1:20:59] need because we have you know the
[1:21:02] expertise here and the corporation
[1:21:03] council's office
[1:21:05] just to clarify we're not we would we
[1:21:07] put it we wouldn't have hired someone
[1:21:08] here that's what we're talking about fees for services so
[1:21:11] if all right but okay I just mean it's
[1:21:14] fifty thousand dollars that I don't
[1:21:17] really really think that we need to
[1:21:18] spend additionally if we're looking for
[1:21:20] ways to you know make up for example the
[1:21:23] [Music]
[1:21:23] um
[1:21:24] you know the 316 000 or any of these
[1:21:27] other changes that would be a place that
[1:21:29] I think that we could eliminate some
[1:21:32] money from from this proposal
[1:21:34] my question is you so you're saying that
[1:21:38] um due to your your experience of you
[1:21:41] know speaking from your experience that
[1:21:43] um
[1:21:44] that we have I know you have more than
[1:21:47] adequate legal support for City Council
[1:21:49] election position right
[1:21:52] for the police Community review board
[1:21:55] um you don't think that uh they need any
[1:22:01] outside counsel that they would need I'd
[1:22:03] like to see us return to the model that
[1:22:05] existed when Mr motivator for example
[1:22:08] was on the civilian police review board
[1:22:11] um where someone from our Corporation
[1:22:13] council's office and I understand that
[1:22:15] this would you know add to uh once a
[1:22:18] month the work of your office but
[1:22:20] apparently
[1:22:22] um there was someone from that office
[1:22:23] that would would attend every civilian
[1:22:26] produced review board meeting and I
[1:22:28] think also the fact is that we have the
[1:22:29] commissioner of Public Safety as well
[1:22:32] um you know we'll also can lend
[1:22:35] um Council to the civilian police report
[1:22:39] as well so I just throw that out there
[1:22:43] and open the circus session and
[1:22:44] compromise yeah so I guess my question
[1:22:47] is so
[1:22:49] have you spoken to anyone from the
[1:22:51] police review board about this issue
[1:22:53] since last time we met I did yeah okay
[1:22:55] and they gave they told you that they
[1:22:57] didn't think that they needed the person
[1:22:58] that I spoke to had formally actually
[1:23:00] also been on the civilian police review
[1:23:02] board and also expressed some problems
[1:23:05] um that someone from the corporation
[1:23:07] council's office no longer met with the
[1:23:09] civilian police review board on a
[1:23:11] regular basis and so in other words I
[1:23:14] thought that that would be fun okay so
[1:23:16] they so they were saying that this used
[1:23:18] to happen this practice is no longer
[1:23:20] happening so they're saying it returned
[1:23:21] to that progress okay so what I would
[1:23:23] say too is that you know the
[1:23:24] conversations that I had with people
[1:23:27] um I think that this board is is very
[1:23:30] unique to the other boards they serve a
[1:23:32] very unique uh a need and
[1:23:35] the idea that you know we are limiting
[1:23:39] which
[1:23:40] I see and they the person I spoke to
[1:23:43] agreed that we would be kind of limiting
[1:23:46] their resources to do this already very
[1:23:49] important uh job
[1:23:52] so I I don't see why why we wanted to do
[1:23:54] that and we can't again to me in my
[1:23:57] opinion we can't kind of and I'm not
[1:23:59] saying you're doing this I'm saying you
[1:24:00] know this is what I don't want to do I
[1:24:02] don't want to pay lip service to say how
[1:24:05] important this is and then the people
[1:24:07] who are in the position to do the job
[1:24:09] that we're recommending and asking them
[1:24:12] to do if they're asking um and saying
[1:24:14] that there's a need for that and we have
[1:24:15] the means to meet that need then we need
[1:24:17] to do that because it's not I feel like
[1:24:19] we're not we're just kind of
[1:24:21] checking that box effect it's important
[1:24:23] but
[1:24:25] you know you can get your needs met this
[1:24:28] way when they have a very specific uh
[1:24:31] kind of uh very unique role in that
[1:24:35] board and there's a lot of other uh
[1:24:37] variables but a lot of tensions that
[1:24:39] they have to balance to certain that
[1:24:40] capacity so I just don't see how he
[1:24:43] would
[1:24:45] understand the complexity and the
[1:24:47] gravity of what they do without
[1:24:49] resourcing them adequately
[1:24:52] I think that's the manor and the chief I
[1:24:55] think you meet regularly with the
[1:24:58] leadership
[1:25:00] has the leadership ever asked for this
[1:25:04] or said that none of their needs are
[1:25:07] being met
[1:25:09] like just back up I think they said
[1:25:12] there was always a Corporation Council
[1:25:14] to me I'm not sure that was 100 true but
[1:25:16] like 90 some percent of the time they
[1:25:18] would have somebody there and what seems
[1:25:22] to have collapse somehow was the request
[1:25:24] getting to the corporation council's
[1:25:26] office that there was going to be a
[1:25:28] meeting
[1:25:28] so that where we haven't been Staffing
[1:25:31] it the request hasn't been put in
[1:25:34] or something to be there it's like oh
[1:25:36] I'm not blaming yeah
[1:25:37] please go ahead um we've actually spoke
[1:25:40] to Scott Barbara Rich over at the police
[1:25:42] department recently who um
[1:25:47] Daryl Mallard
[1:25:49] um in the past so prior to maybe
[1:25:52] becoming a Corporation Council back in
[1:25:53] uh Mr Valentino in this Corporation
[1:25:56] Council
[1:25:58] we attended I attended
[1:26:01] um
[1:26:02] a smattering of cprb meetings
[1:26:07] I can think on one occasion a question
[1:26:10] came up for me during those meetings
[1:26:13] because generally what had happened was
[1:26:15] I think at the time dick shave was still
[1:26:18] the chairperson who had been chair for
[1:26:21] quite a while obviously and I know you
[1:26:23] know council president Williams
[1:26:25] eventually joined uh
[1:26:28] the questions were more geared toward
[1:26:31] and from when I was there
[1:26:35] questions about materials
[1:26:38] not so much legal questions of any sort
[1:26:41] and obviously I'm you know available if
[1:26:44] a question ever came up and sticking to
[1:26:48] um
[1:26:49] officer bobrowman she indicated that you
[1:26:51] know there haven't been
[1:26:53] a whole lot of cprb meetings at times
[1:26:57] because of Quorum issues I think there
[1:27:01] may have you know I know this is this is
[1:27:03] a quorum issue that actually went back
[1:27:05] quite a ways right but I think there may
[1:27:08] have been at least I think I don't know
[1:27:10] maybe four or five meetings that didn't
[1:27:11] happen because they couldn't get a form
[1:27:13] that being said you know I'm available
[1:27:17] you know certainly you know if there are
[1:27:19] questions that you know that are arising
[1:27:22] during those meetings or questions
[1:27:23] related to process or processes in
[1:27:27] person you know obviously I have you
[1:27:29] know the utmost faith and and the police
[1:27:31] officers who sat the meeting to make
[1:27:33] sure that materials are there and you
[1:27:35] know the
[1:27:38] um the folks who are on the cprb you
[1:27:40] know know that what's in Chapter 93 I'm
[1:27:44] planning to attend the next meeting I've
[1:27:46] already prepared a PowerPoint to kind of
[1:27:48] go over what's in Chapter 93 go over the
[1:27:51] you know the responsibilities and you
[1:27:54] know the rules and the obligations and
[1:27:56] the bylaws Etc so that you know
[1:27:58] everybody's really starting on playing
[1:28:00] field
[1:28:01] you know if you want my two Sunset
[1:28:05] outside counsel I'm happy to provide
[1:28:07] that
[1:28:08] um
[1:28:09] I think you know
[1:28:12] my office has been short staffed
[1:28:14] Networks
[1:28:16] I don't say with bone thin but it's just
[1:28:19] for as it is right now it's just me and
[1:28:21] one other person that's full-time
[1:28:22] determines
[1:28:24] we have a part-time attorney
[1:28:26] as well
[1:28:28] you know we do our best to staff you
[1:28:31] know those meetings were legal questions
[1:28:32] tend to come up and we've said if for
[1:28:36] some reason we can't stop a particular
[1:28:37] meeting if there's an issue that comes
[1:28:39] up that could not be addressed at that
[1:28:42] point in time to you know if they can
[1:28:44] table the issue their cable the matter
[1:28:47] and you know bring it to us but or if
[1:28:49] they know anticipate that there's going
[1:28:52] to be a legal question let us know in
[1:28:54] advance so we can be there now if you
[1:28:57] know this is the first time that I've
[1:28:59] seen on paper this you know allocation
[1:29:01] for outside Council to the police review
[1:29:04] board but apparently there's apparently
[1:29:06] there's been some issue that hasn't been
[1:29:08] brought my attention about the use of
[1:29:11] you know about legal questions coming up
[1:29:13] during the cprb meetings I'm happy to
[1:29:15] you know make sure that either I attend
[1:29:18] the meeting or my assistant Corporation
[1:29:20] Council attends the meeting to address
[1:29:22] those issues and it's obviously like any other time if there's a legal
[1:29:27] question that we can address we don't
[1:29:29] know everything we can't know everything
[1:29:31] about the law but I'm happy to you know
[1:29:34] don't reach out to outside counsel
[1:29:35] obtain outside counsel because one thing
[1:29:37] I don't want to do is obviously provide
[1:29:40] bad legal advice right take early
[1:29:42] because I I you know I believe in cprb I
[1:29:45] know the sensitive issues that they deal
[1:29:46] with and because of that it's it's
[1:29:49] important right that if we're going to
[1:29:51] provide a little advice that you know we
[1:29:53] get it right and if we don't know the
[1:29:54] answer we don't make up an answer we
[1:29:57] refer it out to outside counsel so
[1:30:01] my my take on it is you know I have my
[1:30:04] own outside counsel like you know that's
[1:30:06] in part of my budget I'd rather try to
[1:30:08] address this in-house because I think
[1:30:09] it's a better use of dollars and cents
[1:30:11] and see if we can address the issue and
[1:30:13] you know we'll commit to going to the
[1:30:15] cprb meetings on a regular occasion
[1:30:18] um and if we can't answer those legal
[1:30:20] questions we'll refer to outside counsel
[1:30:22] we'll seek outside council's advice to
[1:30:25] address those concerns
[1:30:27] so my question is so if we budget for
[1:30:29] this
[1:30:30] and because again I think that what
[1:30:32] we're we don't want to pin to good
[1:30:35] practices against each other and that's
[1:30:37] what I don't want to see us do so I
[1:30:39] think that I appreciate
[1:30:40] um you know kind of your office
[1:30:42] recommitting to attending these meetings
[1:30:44] I think that that is really a beneficial
[1:30:45] thing and into the capacity that you
[1:30:48] could do so I'm sure that they would
[1:30:49] appreciate it as well
[1:30:51] um
[1:30:52] so I think that that's a yes and then
[1:30:54] the and would be
[1:30:55] um you know because what happens if we
[1:30:58] budget for this money and then your
[1:31:01] office is able to
[1:31:03] handle all the issues in-house and we
[1:31:05] don't end up spending that money that
[1:31:06] money then we'll return to the general
[1:31:09] fund is that fun okay so so therefore
[1:31:11] it's if we need if they need the money
[1:31:15] for outside counsel and decide that they
[1:31:18] want to use the money they can but
[1:31:20] however if your offices has the capacity
[1:31:23] to cover it then they won't then they
[1:31:24] won't use it so what so what I would
[1:31:27] suggest is that we do both we make sure
[1:31:30] that we give them a fund a funding line
[1:31:33] and allocate funds of that because we
[1:31:34] say that this is important to us we say
[1:31:36] that that this is this we understand the
[1:31:38] complexity of what they're asked to do
[1:31:40] and all the tensions that they have to
[1:31:42] balance right and if
[1:31:45] they're requesting that but they are we
[1:31:48] give it to them and then we give them
[1:31:50] the support through Corporation Council
[1:31:52] as much as we possibly can and then if
[1:31:54] that
[1:31:55] meets the need then why would they need
[1:31:57] to spend the money and then we would be
[1:31:58] we would lose nothing for it
[1:32:02] so I never got my question answered
[1:32:05] about have you met regularly when the
[1:32:09] cprb leadership have they requested
[1:32:11] anything and has it ever been denied and
[1:32:14] I've never actually seen a request for
[1:32:16] this the individuals I've spoken to have
[1:32:20] indicated have not indicated that they
[1:32:23] they've never asked her so I'll just put
[1:32:26] it that way
[1:32:27] I do meet them regularly I don't take
[1:32:30] monthly meetings I I send my Office
[1:32:34] Professional Standards there
[1:32:36] um if I do meet you there regularly I
[1:32:38] would say it's it's twice a year and um
[1:32:43] they've never brought anything to my
[1:32:45] attention asked me for legal advice more
[1:32:47] broadly concerns that's my role is to
[1:32:50] continuously ask them if they need
[1:32:52] anything more from me is the process
[1:32:54] working for you
[1:32:55] and then I leave it at that I try to
[1:32:57] stay separated
[1:33:04] and again I would I would say you know
[1:33:06] in in the just in the spirit of having
[1:33:08] true and honest um dialogue and role
[1:33:10] clarification and I think that
[1:33:12] um someone who is tasked with
[1:33:15] um a pretty delicate uh you know job of
[1:33:19] kind of oversight and inquiry
[1:33:22] um
[1:33:23] I didn't expect them to go to the chief
[1:33:26] to say that they are are in to fulfill
[1:33:29] that need I think that there's a certain
[1:33:31] uh
[1:33:34] there's some requests that are coming
[1:33:36] within their purview and I hadn't you
[1:33:38] know the person that I had spoke to or
[1:33:40] two people the person I spoke to you
[1:33:42] know definitely um hadn't said that they
[1:33:44] had made such a request for you or any
[1:33:46] requests from you that hadn't hasn't
[1:33:48] been fulfilled so let's go to to be on
[1:33:50] the record with that thus far however I
[1:33:53] think that we have to acknowledge
[1:33:55] that there is the position positionality
[1:33:58] and this really matters so if we again
[1:34:02] if they don't if we dedicate the line
[1:34:05] and they don't you use it we don't lose
[1:34:08] it so why wouldn't we dedicate the one
[1:34:13] the reason we're going to dedicate to
[1:34:15] mine is because we're talking about
[1:34:16] fifty thousand dollars which could be
[1:34:18] used in other areas I'm not saying cprb
[1:34:22] is not important but we have the ability
[1:34:24] through the Corporation Council to
[1:34:26] address their needs as well as their
[1:34:29] external needs should they need those so
[1:34:31] we're talking about 50 Grand when we're
[1:34:34] throwing around some other stuff and
[1:34:37] that's why we're questioning it it's not
[1:34:39] that we don't think cprb is important or
[1:34:43] that they don't play a key role but when
[1:34:46] we have scarce resources which we do
[1:34:49] it's important to try not to overlap in
[1:34:53] our resources well and I can appreciate
[1:34:56] that both that in this context is not
[1:34:57] overlapping whatsoever what we're doing
[1:34:59] is we're dedicating the line and we're
[1:35:01] actually demonstrating the values that
[1:35:04] we portray and we talk and pay lip
[1:35:06] service to all the time we're
[1:35:07] demonstrating that by making an
[1:35:09] investment but the Safeguard to your
[1:35:10] point so we don't
[1:35:12] overlap the resources is that
[1:35:14] re-engaging the Corporation Council and
[1:35:16] having them attend so if they're able to
[1:35:18] meet the needs of the board then they'll
[1:35:21] meet the needs of the board and the
[1:35:22] board won't have to use that money but
[1:35:24] for us to say that we're not going to
[1:35:25] give them an option to me is very
[1:35:27] limiting and it's micromanaging and it's
[1:35:30] not
[1:35:31] being fully
[1:35:34] genuine in recognizing the multiple
[1:35:38] dynamics that they have to navigate to
[1:35:41] do the very
[1:35:42] important specific job that we ask them
[1:35:44] to do
[1:35:51] so Chapter 93 outlines two Financial
[1:35:54] considerations that need to be made on
[1:35:56] behalf of the civilian police review
[1:35:57] board one is maintaining an annual
[1:35:59] membership to Nicole which is a civilian
[1:36:02] oversight uh entity in the United States
[1:36:05] and the second is having a variation of
[1:36:08] some funding to assist with uh
[1:36:11] performing reviews or investigations to
[1:36:14] some degree or
[1:36:16] being a member of the review board
[1:36:18] they're definitely uh normalcies that
[1:36:21] you take on from meeting to meetings so
[1:36:23] absolute yields the fact that this
[1:36:24] hasn't been something that has been
[1:36:26] implemented routinely however if we look
[1:36:28] at the simple fact of what does the city
[1:36:30] code outline us to do I think it is our
[1:36:33] requirement to fund them based on what
[1:36:35] is outlined and I think putting forth
[1:36:37] monies for them to be able to utilize
[1:36:40] legal services to be able to have access
[1:36:43] to the Law Department to include the
[1:36:47] routine attendance from the police
[1:36:48] commissioner that is simply us hedging
[1:36:50] our bets and to miss Patrick's Point
[1:36:53] that is what budgeting is it is how you
[1:36:55] best position an entity to succeed so I
[1:36:59] look at all of those different variables
[1:37:01] that essentially we're trying to
[1:37:04] um
[1:37:04] bolstered the success of this
[1:37:06] organization or of this board so in
[1:37:09] reviewing everything that's put before
[1:37:11] us it is not fifty thousand dollars it's
[1:37:13] twenty five thousand dollars
[1:37:15] but I think again words matter it's
[1:37:18] twenty five thousand dollars that we're
[1:37:20] looking at
[1:37:21] um allotting to the outside Legal
[1:37:23] Services the civilian police reborn in
[1:37:26] that sense I think looking at everything
[1:37:28] that was previously discussed if we use
[1:37:31] this or not having it specifically
[1:37:34] put underneath their budget line allow
[1:37:36] us to do one of two things that was
[1:37:38] outlined by the Deputy Commissioner it
[1:37:40] will allow us to track whether it is
[1:37:42] something that is actually beneficial to
[1:37:44] this board or not and if it's not I'm in
[1:37:47] total support of removing it all
[1:37:48] together however we need to be
[1:37:49] consistent with our practices and remove
[1:37:51] it from the city code
[1:38:03] consideration that
[1:38:05] he's now full fully sad
[1:38:08] so how are we going to take away the
[1:38:10] resource from this golden office to help
[1:38:12] others so I'm just going out and
[1:38:15] go ahead please thank you I'm obviously
[1:38:19] you know
[1:38:20] I've been looking at Chapter 93 and I've
[1:38:23] been preparing you know this PowerPoint
[1:38:25] a bit so I want to be and I agree with
[1:38:27] Mr Williams that you know the language
[1:38:29] of the code matters considerably when
[1:38:31] looking at all this this language in the
[1:38:34] code related to the cprb hiring an
[1:38:37] independent investigator to assist them
[1:38:39] in reviewing things and also you know
[1:38:43] I think having a dedicated staff person
[1:38:46] in the past
[1:38:50] the only place I think
[1:38:52] Council was under the law departments
[1:38:56] in the blood Department's budget line
[1:38:58] and there's language in the law that
[1:39:02] says that the Corporation Council hires
[1:39:06] outside Council for the city when
[1:39:08] necessary so I know you know who's been
[1:39:11] an indication about you know the cprb
[1:39:13] itself pertaining outside Council
[1:39:17] um you know obviously I wouldn't make
[1:39:19] that referral
[1:39:21] um if necessary because I said I have
[1:39:23] that in my budget line and that's
[1:39:24] something I would obviously do
[1:39:26] um like I would do with any other
[1:39:28] department we've done that um at times
[1:39:31] if necessary we can't handle something
[1:39:33] in-house we've had no problem referring
[1:39:36] it to outside Council we do that with a
[1:39:39] lot of employee matters
[1:39:41] um you know things like that go to perm
[1:39:43] and you know workers comp and you know a
[1:39:45] lot of things
[1:39:47] um I'm hoping my Staffing level goes up
[1:39:49] so I'll become a little bit easier and
[1:39:51] we're not stressed so thin sometimes but
[1:39:54] obviously you know
[1:39:55] cprb is important when any commission is
[1:39:57] important to bza like all of our you
[1:40:00] know all of those you know commissions
[1:40:03] and boards are very important and you
[1:40:05] know we try to do our best to staff when
[1:40:07] we see it being necessary and
[1:40:10] um obviously this is coming to my
[1:40:11] attention now because again I hadn't
[1:40:13] heard anything from anyone you know the
[1:40:16] chairperson since Rivera I have not
[1:40:18] heard from her about this I haven't
[1:40:19] heard from the officers who stopped the
[1:40:23] meeting there was legal questions that
[1:40:25] were coming up obviously I would be
[1:40:27] there for is this a Corporation Council
[1:40:29] Chris Lonnie would be there
[1:40:31] that doesn't fall in deaf ears you know
[1:40:34] we want to be responsive to the needs of
[1:40:36] those boards and those committees and
[1:40:39] still we do that
[1:40:41] um
[1:40:42] yeah so in the you know I'm not going to
[1:40:45] tell obviously with the council what to
[1:40:47] do or not do that's not my position
[1:40:50] um you know if the situation arises
[1:40:52] though where you know they have a legal
[1:40:54] question the cprb we're going to try to
[1:40:58] do it in-house obviously and if we can't
[1:41:01] do it in-house then we're going to make
[1:41:02] the referral to an outside you know Law
[1:41:05] Firm to handle it so it wouldn't be the
[1:41:08] cprb you know obtaining Council it would
[1:41:11] be me a painting Council on behalf of
[1:41:13] really the cprb
[1:41:21] McCarthy did mention that we should
[1:41:24] encourage the police uh review board to
[1:41:26] reach out to a public safety
[1:41:27] commissioner and to hear these concerns
[1:41:29] so I will encourage everyone including
[1:41:32] myself to reach out to the police report
[1:41:34] to reach out to the public safety
[1:41:36] commissioner and to help Channel this uh
[1:41:39] concerns and to the law department and
[1:41:41] see what help can be provided to this
[1:41:44] board and this board need help
[1:41:47] right I don't want to go back in time
[1:41:49] when I was there but yeah they need help
[1:41:50] they need to function properly and I
[1:41:52] think we need to assist them right again
[1:41:55] I think Rockford's
[1:41:57] you know nothing that I really
[1:42:00] disagree with I don't I don't think that
[1:42:02] we're not aligned on well at least and
[1:42:04] what we're saying as far as valuing what
[1:42:06] they do and understanding the importance
[1:42:08] of the of the of them resisting and then
[1:42:12] I
[1:42:14] saying that he has money in his budget
[1:42:17] line in order to do that if that's
[1:42:19] something that they need so my question
[1:42:21] then becomes or then we're not really
[1:42:24] necessarily just talking about money
[1:42:25] we're talking about power we're talking
[1:42:28] about their ability to access the
[1:42:30] resources that they need to do to do
[1:42:32] what they need to do and if all things
[1:42:35] you know organic we're saying that we
[1:42:38] understand the complexity of what
[1:42:40] they're doing if they're reaching out to
[1:42:41] council members saying hey this would be
[1:42:43] something that would be beneficial for
[1:42:45] us as a board then I think that we
[1:42:46] should support them by doing that
[1:42:49] um and then I think the the safety net
[1:42:51] there
[1:42:52] um to access those funds or to use of
[1:42:55] those funds is Corporation counselors
[1:42:56] needing us to recommit to engaging this
[1:42:59] them as a board and if that happens
[1:43:01] in a in a satisfactory way for them then
[1:43:06] it's a new point so let's let's let's
[1:43:08] allocate the money to them let's
[1:43:10] demonstrate let's actually do what we
[1:43:13] say be who we say we are resource it not
[1:43:15] just live service and then hopefully uh
[1:43:19] they'll be able all their needs will be
[1:43:21] met by Corporation Council and the
[1:43:23] safety percent if that's the case then
[1:43:24] we're in a great place and if it's not
[1:43:26] then they have
[1:43:27] um another uh resource available for
[1:43:29] them to do their report book
[1:43:31] I just want to remind everyone that when
[1:43:33] we had talked about this before we had
[1:43:35] talked about to the point of increasing
[1:43:37] the fees for service in the law
[1:43:39] department so it's not like we didn't
[1:43:41] talk about making sure the money in the
[1:43:42] budget but however it was uh it was I'm
[1:43:45] going to say by the finance department
[1:43:47] saying that it's easier to track if it
[1:43:50] was separate so let's keep in mind that
[1:43:52] we had talked
[1:43:54] yes not you but
[1:43:56] that that the Deputy Commissioner said
[1:43:59] it would be easier to track over
[1:44:00] separate so we talked about adding money
[1:44:03] to the Law Department fees for services
[1:44:05] for out fees outside Council we talked
[1:44:08] about that so it's not like we didn't
[1:44:09] talk about putting it in there it just
[1:44:10] became a matter of where we put it
[1:44:13] I I think we didn't come to a decision
[1:44:15] on it though I know that we talked about
[1:44:17] that but I was looking forward to this
[1:44:19] meeting this evening
[1:44:21] um to really Hammer up these decisions
[1:44:23] and see what kinds of compromises and
[1:44:25] you know I think we were waiting no we
[1:44:27] did we did we did came from
[1:44:30] um 25
[1:44:33] 000 each and it goes to the city council
[1:44:36] 25
[1:44:37] 000 on the 10 10 440 on the city council
[1:44:41] on 10 attempt 440 on the police review
[1:44:44] board no I know that that is my note
[1:44:46] that what we end up discussion and
[1:44:49] that's what we were to ask the finance
[1:44:51] department no I know that we put that
[1:44:53] down it was 25 and 25. I definitely know
[1:44:56] we did that I guess I thought that we
[1:44:58] were then tonight going because we we
[1:45:01] went down the whole list whether it was
[1:45:03] um the addition of a staff in city clerk
[1:45:06] or the creation of a new department for
[1:45:08] affirmative action
[1:45:10] um some of these things I think that we
[1:45:13] did go down that whole list with the
[1:45:16] idea that tonight we were going to be
[1:45:18] you know kind of discussing those things
[1:45:20] and deciding whether we in other words
[1:45:23] we did definitely fill in those lines
[1:45:25] and I guess I have to say if again I'll
[1:45:28] put out there that if we were going to
[1:45:30] compromise I absolutely don't think we
[1:45:32] need the extra I mean I don't know
[1:45:33] nobody else is dropping in here but that
[1:45:35] we don't need the money for the city
[1:45:37] council park right yeah this is
[1:45:44] an hour and a half hours on this item
[1:45:47] under the end that's what we have
[1:45:49] decided that the pathway forward so it
[1:45:53] was 82 then this Ferrari suggests why
[1:45:56] now 50 25 25 we all seems to
[1:46:00] another head and she told him yeah
[1:46:08] it was to be talked about yeah
[1:46:18] so can we go around as it is with um
[1:46:22] well uh 25
[1:46:26] um in the city council line 25 in the
[1:46:29] review board line as it is can we go
[1:46:31] around and get kind of games on the
[1:46:34] council members and how do you feel
[1:46:35] about that
[1:46:36] could we do that just just me I finish
[1:46:38] up sure Mr Poland I mean um 25 000 for
[1:46:43] City Council Members us looking to
[1:46:45] discuss something and we need legal
[1:46:48] advice I mean
[1:46:51] have you ever I mean you've always been
[1:46:53] there for each and every one of us when
[1:46:55] we've called and without
[1:47:00] bias
[1:47:01] on something we might need it's legal
[1:47:03] law
[1:47:05] I have nothing ever been brought to my
[1:47:07] attention where
[1:47:08] nobody's excuse me of being bias
[1:47:11] um you know if I thought that there was
[1:47:14] some compliment you know between my
[1:47:17] duties and representing the city you
[1:47:19] know as the city council or between city
[1:47:21] council people or between the city
[1:47:23] council and the mayor's office the city
[1:47:25] council and the department
[1:47:27] if I sought the conflict in that it or a conflict in my ability to perform
[1:47:32] because the city council is making some
[1:47:34] type of decision it was looking for
[1:47:36] legal advice that impacts limit me or my
[1:47:38] office
[1:47:39] that would be referred out you know good
[1:47:42] outside Council the situation hasn't
[1:47:46] Arisen where I've seen a conflict and or
[1:47:49] that anybody has raised to me that
[1:47:52] there's a conflict in my ability to act
[1:47:56] in an unbiased manner you know and may
[1:47:59] make decisions that you know you don't
[1:48:01] agree with that certainly happens and I
[1:48:04] know the mayor you know has made
[1:48:07] decisions that the mayor doesn't
[1:48:08] necessarily agree with that's just part
[1:48:11] of you know the process you know not
[1:48:14] always going to be you know not always
[1:48:16] going to be just you know a pushover or
[1:48:19] rollover in terms of my legal opinion
[1:48:21] because I have to look at the law the
[1:48:23] way it's written right at the end of the
[1:48:24] day my job's back to city
[1:48:27] um you know from liability so
[1:48:32] you know I don't know what question
[1:48:35] there is exactly about you know
[1:48:38] you putting it you know the city council
[1:48:41] agreeing to put 25 000 in the line
[1:48:44] um obviously as I said if there's a
[1:48:45] conflict
[1:48:46] um you know inherent or perceived
[1:48:51] um then I would refer to that
[1:48:53] hasn't happened and nobody has as far as
[1:48:57] I know at least you know anything to me
[1:49:00] directly to me indicating a conflict in
[1:49:03] my ability to act
[1:49:05] um you know objectively I think
[1:49:11] foreign
[1:49:14] just to the other point I mean even if I
[1:49:18] look at what's on this piece of paper
[1:49:20] that we've been given tonight
[1:49:22] um under line 16 2100 when we met the
[1:49:25] other night we did not discuss
[1:49:30] um it looks like it looks like on this
[1:49:33] sheet it says increase this position by
[1:49:35] 5642.
[1:49:38] but then I think on the sheet we came
[1:49:40] we're given tonight it looks like we did
[1:49:43] not
[1:49:44] um increase the position by 5 642 we're
[1:49:47] deep yes I'm sorry are you talking about
[1:49:50] the principal billing audit and AP clerk
[1:49:54] okay you moved on to something well no
[1:49:55] I'm just saying just in terms of
[1:49:57] comparison in terms of my understanding
[1:49:59] from the other night was just that we
[1:50:01] were going to make some decisions
[1:50:02] tonight and so I think that I think I
[1:50:05] mean baby I'm reading it wrong but I
[1:50:07] think that's is not what we talk is not
[1:50:11] what we wrote yeah the other day the
[1:50:14] other night they were the increase was
[1:50:16] like 11 something 11 000 something and
[1:50:19] so in our discussion it was to reduce
[1:50:21] that 11 000 by 5 000 that's what you're
[1:50:24] seeing here yeah so the increase was not
[1:50:26] eleven thousand but five thousand that's
[1:50:27] what that's what the decrease is now the
[1:50:29] decrease of the original salary but a
[1:50:30] decrease of the post increase
[1:50:33] but the so the mayor requested 77 771
[1:50:37] right which is an increase salary 72
[1:50:42] 000 129. so that is an increase of five
[1:50:44] thousand six hundred
[1:50:46] budget
[1:50:56] of course
[1:50:59] the point being we were going to just
[1:51:02] discuss everything tonight
[1:51:06] yeah no that's fine yes are we just you
[1:51:10] know compared to them most of the stuff
[1:51:13] done on the
[1:51:14] proposal if you did touch with them it
[1:51:16] might be a few that we can custom look
[1:51:18] was the article moving the fund from the
[1:51:21] airport to general fund and he has
[1:51:24] to look at the numbers but then things
[1:51:25] change today
[1:51:26] so they are taking away funding for the
[1:51:28] article it's a general fund that was a
[1:51:30] very far so
[1:51:32] the help of that
[1:51:38] thank you
[1:51:39] go ahead please just saying that to Mr
[1:51:41] Williams point if we run an entity to
[1:51:44] succeed give them the
[1:51:46] what they need and just to get rid of
[1:51:49] the information tax specialist when the
[1:51:52] Department's asking for that you know we
[1:51:55] have to be first of all
[1:51:59] foreign
[1:52:06] taking your position
[1:52:09] on this issue and right now
[1:52:12] can we go around and get the usernames
[1:52:15] so we can at least as far as the
[1:52:18] um you're asking about outside Legal
[1:52:22] Services yeah between the police Rescue board and
[1:52:38] you just go forward
[1:52:43] because that's go ahead because we're
[1:52:45] having a discussion we're having a
[1:52:47] discussion I want to understand that but
[1:52:49] if then you do that for every single yes
[1:52:52] that's right I'm not entertained to do
[1:52:55] that for every single piece so we we
[1:52:57] want to we want to stay here all night
[1:52:58] tonight
[1:53:02] to miss Patrick's Point there's been you
[1:53:05] know her and I've been pretty vocal
[1:53:08] um and then changing of our ideas around
[1:53:10] this so I you know just kind of want to
[1:53:12] get a position from where people are at
[1:53:14] but
[1:53:15] you know
[1:53:18] so but I'm completely fine with not
[1:53:20] without doing that I mean I made my
[1:53:22] position pretty clear you know
[1:53:26] I am what I say that is what it is
[1:53:28] always so that doesn't change for me
[1:53:30] you can move on to the next thing
[1:53:44] we need to touch on
[1:53:49] well I think we have to unless somebody
[1:53:52] else says something I think we have to
[1:53:53] go back to the um
[1:53:55] tax
[1:53:57] you said we're requesting that was the
[1:53:59] first thing that the mayor said about so
[1:54:00] I mean
[1:54:02] I think we need to discuss that
[1:54:13] excuse me sorry
[1:54:16] and they're taking a break
[1:54:36] do you want to wait on this bathroom hey
[1:54:39] Miss Porterfield yeah why don't we take
[1:54:42] uh
[1:54:55] thank you
[1:55:00] [Music]
[1:55:22] foreign
[1:55:40] [Music]
[1:55:54] yes
[1:55:57] [Music]
[1:56:26] I think there's going to be a butter
[1:56:27] shortage
[1:56:30] yeah Atlanta Lakes my sister just texted
[1:56:33] me
[1:56:47] um
[1:56:58] you're sorry
[1:57:04] foreign
[1:57:33] [Music]
[1:57:42] so let's see
[1:57:44] this chance
[1:58:13] foreign
[1:58:51] all right so let's continue the
[1:58:55] discussion on this Quarterfield just um
[1:58:57] it was before we went into a break what
[1:59:00] about the
[1:59:01] property tax
[1:59:03] tolls property tax production
[1:59:06] one percent equivalent 316
[1:59:09] 290 dollars
[1:59:12] open for discussion on this
[1:59:22] so I guess I'm a little confused with
[1:59:26] regards to
[1:59:29] how the art for money is being used for
[1:59:31] the losses
[1:59:33] when we have 5.3 million in unfilled
[1:59:37] positions
[1:59:39] yet we're looking at
[1:59:41] according to Mr Ferrari roughly two
[1:59:43] million losses here now I understand the
[1:59:46] 2 million is going to come out of this
[1:59:48] article stuff or largely from that you
[1:59:51] know but we still aren't accounting 35.3
[1:59:54] million
[1:59:57] going forward so how are we going to do
[2:00:00] that
[2:00:03] of
[2:00:09] um
[2:00:09] [Music]
[2:00:11] 10.3
[2:00:16] yes 10.3 uh and that's that's we're
[2:00:20] going to use the 2 million this year
[2:00:22] that's what we're estimating that loses
[2:00:24] 8.3 and then with the five point eight
[2:00:27] penalt planet and the 2023 budget and
[2:00:30] that leaves us uh with uh about four
[2:00:33] million left
[2:00:34] all right for a lost revenues for 2024.
[2:00:39] but going forward we're not accounting
[2:00:41] for that at all right
[2:00:44] so well
[2:00:46] go forward and have it if you don't use
[2:00:49] that account don't not if you don't if
[2:00:52] we don't uh use it all you know
[2:00:55] where we can still push it forward and
[2:00:58] but Mr we just mentioned nearly also on
[2:01:01] this document here is 10.1 million
[2:01:03] dollars that is available but if there's
[2:01:05] additional losses yes if that can be
[2:01:07] taken out from this 10 point almost 10.2
[2:01:10] million dollars so that means we're not
[2:01:12] going to spend anything else for
[2:01:15] powerful money
[2:01:16] going forward no we took out I took out
[2:01:19] that money now it was always what I'm
[2:01:22] saying is you're putting it aside we're
[2:01:24] putting inside we're not spending the 10
[2:01:26] points yes
[2:01:31] the 20 23 Revenue loss or lost Revenue
[2:01:36] 3.4 million dollars
[2:01:41] I understand that but we have 5.3 we're
[2:01:45] not accounting for
[2:01:47] because we didn't fill the positions and
[2:01:50] we keep talking about 63 unfilled
[2:01:52] positions which is 5.3 million going
[2:01:56] forward not just today
[2:01:59] one two three years out
[2:02:03] we don't have an account for that money
[2:02:06] this is priority can you address that I
[2:02:08] understand what you're saying and uh
[2:02:12] that's one of the reasons why we should
[2:02:13] not uh decrease taxes
[2:02:24] of cost risings this is not the type of
[2:02:29] thought I wasn't
[2:02:36] as we're going through here we're hoping
[2:02:39] like you said to stabilize our revenues
[2:02:41] to come through here to pay for that uh
[2:02:44] I understand yeah we have those jobs
[2:02:46] openings but as you as you've seen you
[2:02:48] know we're not filming about those jobs
[2:02:50] either I understand that but if we could
[2:02:51] increase revenues by 5 million we'd
[2:02:54] already done it
[2:02:55] yeah okay what was referral you want to
[2:02:58] address this also is uh 4.6 but yeah you
[2:03:02] know in our 2022 budget we had a
[2:03:04] formulated uh we had a budget of 4.6
[2:03:07] we're estimating only using half that
[2:03:10] so that's for the other two point I
[2:03:13] understand but going forward is what I'm
[2:03:16] talking we're talking strictly today
[2:03:17] we're not looking forward
[2:03:20] correct and that's going to impact us in
[2:03:23] one two three years or more correct
[2:03:26] we're looking at 2023
[2:03:28] this is that we're looking at snapshot
[2:03:30] in Time versus a dynamic that's why I
[2:03:33] that's why you know with the various
[2:03:34] budget we're looking to raise uh the
[2:03:36] artist fees to keep the tax lined up
[2:03:39] keep the taxes at a stable level and you
[2:03:43] know raise up and you know we talk about
[2:03:46] erasing other fees as we go along for
[2:03:47] years too because as like any other
[2:03:50] business you have to raise your prices
[2:03:52] has a cost goes up because of the cost
[2:03:54] of employment cost of insurance costs of
[2:03:56] all those benefits
[2:04:14] [Music]
[2:04:27] you're cutting uh taxes you're cutting
[2:04:30] uh uh the fees for services or you know
[2:04:32] with the uh water not water source but
[2:04:36] even with uh the trash and stuff like
[2:04:39] that you know when you start cutting uh
[2:04:41] you know it's going to come back you're
[2:04:43] going to have to raise it eventually
[2:04:44] you're gonna have to raise it I mean a
[2:04:46] huge amount right so it just multiplied
[2:04:49] so it actually goes on yeah so I think
[2:04:52] 23 24 you're gonna be okay 20 25 you
[2:04:54] might be doing a six percent tax
[2:04:56] increase you know that's what I was
[2:04:58] trying to get at earlier
[2:05:09] I mean the minimum that's what I asked
[2:05:11] for you know I know uh uh you're you're
[2:05:13] taking a 1.1 million already for the
[2:05:15] trash I know that's something you're
[2:05:17] gonna have to address into your comments
[2:05:20] into the year 2023 but at least the Hope
[2:05:22] line on on the uh the tax uh tax
[2:05:26] payments you can hold the line at 316
[2:05:29] pounds I mean it doesn't sound like a
[2:05:31] lot but it really that's a beginning
[2:05:34] it's a beginning because I'm telling you don't want to two years from now
[2:05:37] when you guys are trying to be real life
[2:05:39] and you have to raise taxes for four
[2:05:40] percent
[2:05:43] it's not going to be a pretty butcher
[2:05:44] what you want to do you want to rise you
[2:05:45] want to do it things have a small level
[2:05:48] small bits are going all the way up yeah
[2:05:50] that's why we posted about a dollar a
[2:05:52] week of a dollar a week for the garbage
[2:05:55] I mean you know that's that's that was
[2:05:57] our thought of trying to do things
[2:05:58] slowly you know not that I was smiling
[2:06:01] because um last week last week Friday
[2:06:03] you told us that if you proceeded is
[2:06:04] from bankruptcy yeah yesterday and today
[2:06:08] we found the 10.5 million dollars
[2:06:15] we don't want to scare people out there
[2:06:17] you know all these things and then um
[2:06:20] well running set aside 12 seconds but if
[2:06:23] you were looking at what you're doing uh
[2:06:24] last week before we found it I want to
[2:06:27] thank John for helping us do that uh
[2:06:30] because
[2:06:44] uh Derek was was still in the room
[2:06:49] you're not supposed to use
[2:06:53] your taxes and we're using quite a bit
[2:06:56] of our money through
[2:06:57] foreign
[2:07:06] thank you
[2:07:09] discussion on this the sport Affairs
[2:07:11] oh I'm just listening to what Mr
[2:07:14] Ferrari's saying and you know and and I
[2:07:17] keep hearing it over and over again
[2:07:18] because let me just be 100 transparent I
[2:07:20] was in favor of
[2:07:22] um
[2:07:23] reducing the tax burden on our
[2:07:26] um our residents but I don't I want us
[2:07:29] to be caught in the quandary that we
[2:07:32] spent money in a way that was
[2:07:33] inappropriate and they come back and say
[2:07:35] Hey you shouldn't have done that and
[2:07:37] here are the reasons why
[2:07:39] so two Mr Ferrari's point you know I
[2:07:43] know you might have said that half a
[2:07:46] joke but I also believe that a lot of
[2:07:47] Truth is said in jokes and um I think
[2:07:49] that you know we have to
[2:07:52] talk to the people that live in the
[2:07:54] cities connected to like adults and and
[2:07:56] let them understand that you know as
[2:08:00] much as we beloved uh you know
[2:08:03] if we're not in a fiscal position to do
[2:08:06] that then we can't do that until you're
[2:08:09] pointing around you know when you when
[2:08:11] you're running again to uh you're not
[2:08:13] going to get reelected if you have to
[2:08:14] raise taxes so many points I mean that's
[2:08:17] a calculation that really shouldn't be a
[2:08:19] part of how we make our decisions here
[2:08:21] so right I mean and I know that
[2:08:23] you know everyone might not share that
[2:08:26] at least in action more so in ideology
[2:08:28] but yeah if we're not in a fiscal
[2:08:30] position to cut taxes then we
[2:08:34] shouldn't do that
[2:08:36] right
[2:08:37] I mean yeah
[2:08:44] one of the one of the suggestions I
[2:08:47] submitted um last week including myself
[2:08:51] the hearing and discussing and
[2:08:53] compromise and working yesterday today
[2:08:56] the day before was a Ferrari I've taken
[2:08:58] a full-time job in his office
[2:09:01] another discussion with the mayor I can you know push back a little on
[2:09:07] this and not um
[2:09:10] we can rule out and increase I mean not
[2:09:13] sorry we don't mind Lucas
[2:09:17] I don't want to increase um
[2:09:20] I'm gonna hold on but I just wanted to
[2:09:22] clear it and I know the way I mention it
[2:09:24] already and we've been back and forth
[2:09:26] since Friday
[2:09:27] well we get we can use money to provide
[2:09:31] a tax break this is not our we have
[2:09:34] money in the general fund we have money
[2:09:37] now
[2:09:38] if we were to proceed and if I were to
[2:09:40] Stadium if we had a majority here and
[2:09:42] you say that we were going to get the
[2:09:43] tax Breakers
[2:09:44] but I am okay took all off
[2:09:48] and to listen to my good friend zone
[2:09:51] and we can hold out from this
[2:09:54] even even after your family with 10
[2:09:56] million dollars yeah wow there we go
[2:10:01] well I appreciate it I appreciate you
[2:10:03] yeah the work that we all have at this
[2:10:05] table we all hear these people to
[2:10:07] discuss to work with the Department to
[2:10:10] work within a compromise not everybody's
[2:10:12] going to get what they want never going
[2:10:14] to happen
[2:10:15] and we have at some point we just have
[2:10:18] to sit back in our lives and you know
[2:10:20] move forward
[2:10:22] for the best we can uh please thank them
[2:10:24] for take overtime speeds that's our job
[2:10:27] we have to be careful now because if
[2:10:29] we're not too careful we might start to
[2:10:30] contradict the narrative that we're not
[2:10:32] actually working together to get and
[2:10:34] getting stuff done
[2:10:35] we're a little careful about that
[2:10:41] any other discussion is what do you want
[2:10:43] to keep this here
[2:10:45] I guess my only question is so if we um
[2:10:49] agree to not have the one percent tax
[2:10:52] cut now what do we do in terms of we
[2:10:54] need to uh go back to the computer and
[2:10:58] okay so let's just go back to the free
[2:11:01] course backup we just reports
[2:11:09] the proposed budget yeah
[2:11:11] we're not taking money at the end of the
[2:11:13] land we just go back we're actually
[2:11:14] removing money against that line taxes
[2:11:17] but going back to the maintenance
[2:11:19] proposed budget of 31 629
[2:11:25] [Music]
[2:11:33] and uh
[2:11:35] one of uh article my strategies you know
[2:11:39] African 16th house yes
[2:11:42] so just I'm sorry just run down that on
[2:11:46] this place
[2:11:47] budget okay 31 million 629.000.
[2:11:54] based on the proposal that was submitted
[2:11:56] last week they were asking for a one
[2:11:58] percent tax reduction equivalent to 316
[2:12:03] 292. taking that out so that was going
[2:12:05] to reduce
[2:12:06] the
[2:12:08] appropriate functions
[2:12:10] like 31
[2:12:13] 312 710. basically back here now I think
[2:12:18] there's a compromise that we're not
[2:12:19] going to reduce taxes by that amount of
[2:12:21] 316 000 290 and reward back to the
[2:12:25] mayor's proposed budget of 31 million
[2:12:27] 629
[2:12:29] 000. Mr Ferrari will do the in and out
[2:12:32] and uh
[2:12:43] foreign
[2:12:48] anything else to discuss on this
[2:12:50] I'm just I'm just sort of out I know
[2:12:57] [Music]
[2:12:58] maybe I should say it out loud
[2:13:06] questions
[2:13:21] [Music]
[2:13:38] is
[2:13:50] yeah
[2:13:52] and then we'll give you the
[2:13:55] what do you need to change it
[2:13:59] the opportunity to drive from the
[2:14:02] resolution
[2:14:03] and come back to the council I'm just
[2:14:07] going to be a little taller than
[2:14:08] consider control
[2:14:14] go ahead please so Mr Colden review the
[2:14:18] changes before
[2:14:23] once we finish and we decide to move
[2:14:25] forward Mr Coleman will get a copy he
[2:14:26] has a copy there's any markups he will
[2:14:28] make notes
[2:14:30] um
[2:14:31] able to graph up his resolution
[2:14:42] to the council before yeah about
[2:14:45] committing based on the changes Anthony
[2:14:47] mix okay I can go upstairs because then
[2:14:50] he will also agree with you you
[2:14:52] understand okay
[2:14:56] are there any other discussion on this
[2:14:59] items
[2:15:01] did we put the volume
[2:15:05] [Music]
[2:15:08] I always let you know I'll call you out
[2:15:11] and I'll let you know you don't have to
[2:15:13] do that with me
[2:15:14] did we put the money back into the
[2:15:15] capital budget for them yes we did okay
[2:15:18] that was the only change I believe that
[2:15:20] was in that so
[2:15:23] um
[2:15:24] Miss Patrick sorry that's right my
[2:15:28] attention on the capital
[2:15:29] 223 houses
[2:15:31] because because that's the nearest
[2:15:34] wasn't that it doesn't have to change
[2:15:36] okay so please put that back in there so
[2:15:38] that that was a misunderstanding from
[2:15:42] Police Department
[2:15:43] [Music]
[2:15:47] that we were able to put it back
[2:15:51] you raise your hand on me you get your
[2:15:53] own point over
[2:16:02] saying that I really told this
[2:16:05] I'd like to make a motion to move the
[2:16:06] budget uh with the discussed changes
[2:16:11] they have a second all in favor
[2:16:16] aye
[2:16:18] are there any other businesses for
[2:16:19] finance
[2:16:21] second all in favor
[2:16:25] aye we are here thank you
[2:16:28] um
[2:17:14] it's crazy
[2:17:38] um
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[2:18:42] I just had this from yesterday
[2:18:45] it wasn't the totals were always good
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[2:18:53] get the total first score
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[3:12:18] I'd like to call to order this Festival
[3:12:20] City council meeting for Monday excuse
[3:12:22] me Wednesday October 26 2022
[3:12:26] we have one item on the agenda
[3:12:29] the clerk would please read
[3:12:31] item number one for final consideration
[3:12:33] an ordinance percentage section 36 of
[3:12:36] the second class cities law and article
[3:12:38] six of the chart of the city of
[3:12:40] Schenectady approving and adopting the
[3:12:42] proposed operating budget for 2023 and
[3:12:45] authorizing the appropriation therein
[3:12:48] enumerated
[3:12:50] discuss the committee with our injection
[3:12:53] okay roll call by Mr palomini
[3:13:00] but please call the one Mr Williams yeah
[3:13:07] Mr Farley yes
[3:13:10] Miss Patrick I'm going to vote
[3:13:13] um yes because I want to say that I am
[3:13:17] um I'm pleased with the ability that we
[3:13:20] had tonight to compromise with one
[3:13:22] another and
[3:13:24] um I think that you know I appreciate
[3:13:27] that as a council we were able to make
[3:13:30] some decisions together on this there
[3:13:34] are definitely things still that I'm not
[3:13:36] necessarily completely happy with
[3:13:38] um I will say in particular the items
[3:13:40] related to the police overtime and the
[3:13:43] um the staff person in the police
[3:13:45] department
[3:13:46] um I wish that those had been able to
[3:13:49] remain in but that being said I'm going
[3:13:52] to vote Yes as well
[3:13:54] Mr YouTuber
[3:13:58] sorry I was just questioning uh the
[3:14:01] capital budget is not here as well
[3:14:04] there was no changes
[3:14:08] it's all the mayor supposedly which is
[3:14:11] why I asked that question initially I
[3:14:12] want to make sure that we get great
[3:14:13] before we pass
[3:14:15] so yes I
[3:14:17] um you know a budget process uh the
[3:14:20] other thing we've been doing for you
[3:14:22] know and I think um this year will be a
[3:14:25] lot of questions new council member I
[3:14:27] appreciate all the questions I'll answer
[3:14:30] I repeat myself all the answer I want to
[3:14:32] thank you Mr Ferrari
[3:14:33] um
[3:14:37] providing him all the answers about
[3:14:38] watching anybody any council member
[3:14:41] asked a question and it was an answer
[3:14:43] because I make sure I make sure that I
[3:14:46] chose to my Safari and the question was
[3:14:49] answered and make sure to provide the
[3:14:51] opportunity to everybody to get an
[3:14:52] answer to understand the budget and to
[3:14:54] answer questions and the opportunity to
[3:14:57] process on you know all the information
[3:14:59] everybody has an opportunity to look at
[3:15:02] the budget look at the question look at
[3:15:03] the answer and yes we sometimes we can't
[3:15:07] dig or heal in the sand we have to
[3:15:09] compromise as Patrick mention compromise
[3:15:12] and move forward and was the best for
[3:15:14] our city I think this is a good budget
[3:15:16] and I'm happy that be part of it and to
[3:15:19] vote Yes on it and we'll give it to the
[3:15:21] mayor to
[3:15:22] for 20 Century operating am expense
[3:15:26] my vote is yes thank you this is the
[3:15:28] term I'm happy with the way things
[3:15:30] worked out tonight absolutely working
[3:15:32] together
[3:15:33] but I also feel that we need to make
[3:15:36] more fiscally responsible decisions so
[3:15:39] we can move our city forward in the future so I vote
[3:15:44] now
[3:15:46] Mr palomini
[3:15:47] I'd first like to thank my colleagues
[3:15:50] for all their hard work good questions
[3:15:54] actually very good questions
[3:15:56] however I'm very concerned with the
[3:15:59] sustainability of this Budget moving
[3:16:01] forward
[3:16:02] um unfortunately this is typically How
[3:16:05] We Do budgets at least in my time being
[3:16:08] on Council as a snapshot of time
[3:16:12] and
[3:16:15] I think we need to start really
[3:16:17] considering our future projects and this
[3:16:21] budget is such that I really don't feel
[3:16:24] we're in a good position moving down the
[3:16:27] road one or two or three years
[3:16:30] especially since we're going we're in a
[3:16:33] very high inflation period that
[3:16:36] inflation is not going away anytime soon
[3:16:38] quite frankly it might last a while
[3:16:42] we have the Federal Reserves going to
[3:16:45] have to increase
[3:16:48] interest rates that's going to be an
[3:16:51] impact on our bonding and costs there
[3:16:56] and unfortunately the Federal Reserve
[3:16:59] tends to
[3:17:00] overshoot with interest rate increases
[3:17:03] and
[3:17:05] we're projected to go on a pretty
[3:17:07] substantial
[3:17:09] um
[3:17:12] recession hopefully not a depression
[3:17:14] next year and I really question our
[3:17:18] ability to generate the revenues that
[3:17:22] we're talking about
[3:17:24] um
[3:17:25] I just don't think this is a sustainable
[3:17:28] budget and for that reason I'm voting
[3:17:31] now
[3:17:32] this Porterfield thank you so I also
[3:17:34] want to thank everyone who's asked
[3:17:36] questions put in some hard work
[3:17:37] especially thank you to Mr Baron for um
[3:17:41] leadership on this and for the mayor for
[3:17:43] putting forth his budget I've heard with
[3:17:45] everyone said we've talked about it you
[3:17:47] know we've been meeting several times
[3:17:48] and I agree that we also didn't get
[3:17:51] everything that everyone wanted however
[3:17:53] we did to come to a compromise I
[3:17:56] understand what Mr palawini is saying
[3:17:58] but it as he said it's way we we
[3:17:59] generally do budget so this is not new
[3:18:01] to this year in terms of how our budgets
[3:18:03] are done and if going forward we need to
[3:18:06] he whoever is the finance chair wants to
[3:18:09] or the mayor it's really the mayor who
[3:18:11] wants to project it out that's something
[3:18:13] certainly a topic for discussion as it
[3:18:15] is um today you know um like I said you
[3:18:18] know we put forth we put some things in
[3:18:21] we took some things out made concessions
[3:18:23] different places so I'm comfortable with
[3:18:25] this and I vote Yes on this budget
[3:18:29] so the motion passes five to two
[3:18:36] contain a motion to adjourn
[3:18:40] second by Miss Patrick I was in favor
[3:18:42] um thank you and good night good job
[3:18:47] I enjoy the rest of their evening
[3:18:52] [Laughter]
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[3:19:26] thank you so much
[3:19:31] all right take care have a good night
[3:19:33] thank you very much hey
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[3:19:47] good night
[3:19:59] what what do you have to finish
[3:20:06] all right
[3:20:08] yeah I mean you were saying it there but
[3:20:10] because the way this kind of came
[3:20:12] together in the last couple days the
[3:20:13] compromise has reached yes
[3:20:16] I took some work
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