1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:02:51,210 foreign 2 00:02:51,220 --> 00:02:52,640 [Music] 3 00:02:52,640 --> 00:03:01,870 thank you 4 00:03:01,880 --> 00:04:09,229 [Music] 5 00:04:09,239 --> 00:06:06,010 foreign 6 00:06:06,020 --> 00:06:54,710 [Music] 7 00:06:54,720 --> 00:07:56,150 foreign 8 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:47,810 thank you 9 00:08:47,820 --> 00:09:20,830 foreign 10 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,050 [Music] 11 00:09:24,060 --> 00:09:31,520 foreign 12 00:09:31,530 --> 00:10:01,490 [Music] 13 00:10:01,500 --> 00:10:44,269 foreign 14 00:10:44,279 --> 00:11:16,370 thank you 15 00:11:16,380 --> 00:12:10,690 foreign 16 00:12:10,700 --> 00:12:13,380 meeting to order for Monday December 5th 17 00:12:13,380 --> 00:12:16,640 2022 and the first committee is finance 18 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:18,839 thank you good evening everyone the 19 00:12:18,839 --> 00:12:20,100 first item on the finance the 20 00:12:20,100 --> 00:12:22,260 application for ReStore New York around 21 00:12:22,260 --> 00:12:25,079 700 grand for mayor McCarthy 22 00:12:25,079 --> 00:12:27,140 thank you Mr chairman 23 00:12:27,140 --> 00:12:30,560 this is uh outlined the information 24 00:12:30,560 --> 00:12:32,880 given to 25 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,519 the council 26 00:12:34,519 --> 00:12:38,160 Gilman's Metroplex has been a point in 27 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:42,000 this is an application for up to three 28 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,839 million dollars to 29 00:12:44,839 --> 00:12:47,760 facilitate the development of the 30 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,420 proposed building in the 756 State 31 00:12:51,420 --> 00:12:52,399 Street 32 00:12:52,399 --> 00:12:55,019 indicates specific questions but this is 33 00:12:55,019 --> 00:12:58,740 a start of the process you can form with 34 00:12:58,740 --> 00:13:02,720 the criteria of this funding possibility 35 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,480 where the capsules have to hold a public 36 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,240 hearing and get a public comment on it 37 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,160 so it asks for your favorable 38 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,220 consideration at this point 39 00:13:13,220 --> 00:13:29,710 any questions concerns 40 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,980 are there any question regarding this 41 00:13:31,980 --> 00:13:36,110 item 42 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,269 s 43 00:13:38,279 --> 00:13:40,920 I'll move it okay all in favor 44 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,800 aye the next item is the 2017 operating 45 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:45,420 industry it's a business Improvement 46 00:13:45,420 --> 00:13:48,120 budget again we had a public hearing at 47 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,040 11 20 years 48 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,139 are there any question or concern with 49 00:13:52,139 --> 00:13:53,480 regards to this 50 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:58,079 second favor thank you the next item is 51 00:13:58,079 --> 00:14:01,139 the update the Opera contracts from this 52 00:14:01,139 --> 00:14:04,500 Quarterfield thank you so yes 53 00:14:04,500 --> 00:14:06,600 um I'm sure not only myself but others 54 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,100 have been caught calls from people who 55 00:14:08,100 --> 00:14:10,260 they were allocated with me too so at 56 00:14:10,260 --> 00:14:12,120 this point I want to um I've asked 57 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,660 mistia and uh also um Mr Golden if we 58 00:14:15,660 --> 00:14:16,740 could just have an update where we are 59 00:14:16,740 --> 00:14:18,240 with the contract so people can have an 60 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,639 idea of when they can start seeing their 61 00:14:20,639 --> 00:14:22,260 contracts in the you know funding 62 00:14:22,260 --> 00:14:23,760 following that so I'm not sure which of 63 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,200 you wish to start 64 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,570 I'm happy to start it sure thanks 65 00:14:27,570 --> 00:14:28,740 [Music] 66 00:14:28,740 --> 00:14:30,480 where the water departments putting 67 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,320 together the the contracts for the 68 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,779 um the recipients who we can go right 69 00:14:36,779 --> 00:14:37,980 into contract with there were no 70 00:14:37,980 --> 00:14:40,440 contingency funding contingencies 71 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,120 um so we're preparing those contracts we 72 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,579 got the uh programmatic information last 73 00:14:44,579 --> 00:14:45,959 week from the development department so 74 00:14:45,959 --> 00:14:48,300 we could obviously incorporate that into 75 00:14:48,300 --> 00:14:51,360 the agreement once they're drafted we'll 76 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:52,980 have development take a look to make 77 00:14:52,980 --> 00:14:54,959 sure that it fits 78 00:14:54,959 --> 00:14:56,839 um you know their schedule in terms of 79 00:14:56,839 --> 00:15:00,540 compliance monitoring Etc and then we'll 80 00:15:00,540 --> 00:15:02,820 send it to well and obviously we'll give 81 00:15:02,820 --> 00:15:05,160 it to the mayor for review and we'll 82 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,019 send it off to the recipients for their 83 00:15:07,019 --> 00:15:09,800 review and execution 84 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,579 as it applies to those who are 85 00:15:13,579 --> 00:15:16,440 those recipients who have contingencies 86 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:17,959 related to 87 00:15:17,959 --> 00:15:20,940 their funding that is that they had 88 00:15:20,940 --> 00:15:23,639 funding they had to get lined up I can't 89 00:15:23,639 --> 00:15:25,620 speak to that I don't know if um if 90 00:15:25,620 --> 00:15:28,440 missia can 91 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:37,550 let's go 92 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,320 so I think in terms of the contingencies 93 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,839 we had a year right from when the 94 00:15:42,839 --> 00:15:44,699 council resolution was signed to meet 95 00:15:44,699 --> 00:15:46,680 those requirements 96 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,779 um so I would just say we just need to 97 00:15:48,779 --> 00:15:50,760 be mindful of 98 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,579 the if a project is not in a position to 99 00:15:53,579 --> 00:15:55,620 happen you know there has to be a sort 100 00:15:55,620 --> 00:15:57,300 of a deadline for that reception to 101 00:15:57,300 --> 00:15:58,920 establish that when we do the contract 102 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,680 so that we can make sure that everybody 103 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,959 is understanding you know what that data 104 00:16:03,959 --> 00:16:05,760 is when everything has to be ready how 105 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,699 we can help and then so that we're all 106 00:16:08,699 --> 00:16:11,100 on the same page about what that date is 107 00:16:11,100 --> 00:16:16,750 that's that's what I would say 108 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,560 said I believe a letter went out to 109 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,620 those recipients letting them know that 110 00:16:22,620 --> 00:16:25,019 there are funding contingencies so that 111 00:16:25,019 --> 00:16:28,680 they're aware of what they need to do as 112 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,199 well as I think in order to be mindful 113 00:16:31,199 --> 00:16:32,639 for them of what they're going to have 114 00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:34,500 to do once they have the funding in 115 00:16:34,500 --> 00:16:36,120 place certain documentation they're 116 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:37,440 obviously going to have to submit to the 117 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,259 city so I think part of what was sent in 118 00:16:40,259 --> 00:16:41,940 the mail included what they had to get 119 00:16:41,940 --> 00:16:44,399 in order from a paperwork standpoint so 120 00:16:44,399 --> 00:16:46,740 that once they do have the funding you 121 00:16:46,740 --> 00:16:49,259 know set up that they can you know just 122 00:16:49,259 --> 00:16:51,480 submit everything to the city so we can 123 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,519 get rolling with the contracts 124 00:16:53,519 --> 00:16:57,540 so you said the letter went out I believe 125 00:16:57,540 --> 00:16:59,459 they went out in the mail yeah I didn't 126 00:16:59,459 --> 00:17:01,320 come from my office that was incorrectly 127 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,180 send it out because it's being prepared 128 00:17:03,180 --> 00:17:05,640 to go out 129 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,260 oh it's not gone yet correct 130 00:17:09,260 --> 00:17:11,819 you've passed all that without any input 131 00:17:11,819 --> 00:17:14,100 from really into professional staff so 132 00:17:14,100 --> 00:17:16,020 we've got to go through and sort out 133 00:17:16,020 --> 00:17:17,819 some of these details how do we make it 134 00:17:17,819 --> 00:17:19,620 work and what are the actual numbers 135 00:17:19,620 --> 00:17:23,640 that would allow these projects to uh 136 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,900 move forward and actually be completed 137 00:17:27,900 --> 00:17:30,360 well I'm not sure if we um we definitely 138 00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:32,640 talked to the staff regarding but but 139 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,700 um for those who Mr Holden did address 140 00:17:35,700 --> 00:17:37,980 this for those that there are no 141 00:17:37,980 --> 00:17:40,679 contingencies those letters have have 142 00:17:40,679 --> 00:17:42,240 they has anything gone out to those 143 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,780 folks we're moving those to contract 144 00:17:44,780 --> 00:17:47,880 s yeah we've begun requesting certain 145 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:49,679 things that they would need in order to 146 00:17:49,679 --> 00:17:51,720 go to contract and have gotten a lot of 147 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:53,460 that information for the ones that are 148 00:17:53,460 --> 00:17:54,960 ready to go 149 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,480 um so that's underway do we have kind of 150 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,720 a timeline on that I had spoken to the 151 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,760 attorney who's preparing in my office we 152 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:04,980 hope to have the drafts out at the end 153 00:18:04,980 --> 00:18:07,799 of this week so they can be obviously 154 00:18:07,799 --> 00:18:10,860 reviewed and get any input from the 155 00:18:10,860 --> 00:18:12,360 development department to make sure that 156 00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:17,029 we're on the same page 157 00:18:17,039 --> 00:18:19,440 thank you any other question regarding 158 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,270 this 159 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,020 go ahead I would recommend that once we 160 00:18:25,020 --> 00:18:27,360 get this all in order that we have folks 161 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:29,160 who did get funding to come and have 162 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,380 like a quarterly update to let us know 163 00:18:31,380 --> 00:18:32,820 where they are what they're similar to 164 00:18:32,820 --> 00:18:35,100 what they do is uh like cdbg they send 165 00:18:35,100 --> 00:18:36,660 the report so that we know where they 166 00:18:36,660 --> 00:18:37,919 are with the project so we're not just 167 00:18:37,919 --> 00:18:39,480 like putting money out there and then we 168 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,520 have no idea how the project is moving 169 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,260 forward so I know that's something that 170 00:18:43,260 --> 00:18:45,419 we need to take another step we need to 171 00:18:45,419 --> 00:18:47,220 take down the road but I just want to 172 00:18:47,220 --> 00:18:48,600 make sure that we're making sure that 173 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,120 we're keeping track of of the money and 174 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:53,160 that it's being spent or or if money 175 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,020 that needs to be recouped and you know 176 00:18:55,020 --> 00:18:56,280 the projects are moving forward so I 177 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:57,960 just wanted to keep in mind that I think 178 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:58,980 that's something you definitely need to 179 00:18:58,980 --> 00:19:01,500 put into place as well as part of this 180 00:19:01,500 --> 00:19:04,320 so I would say you know whatever that is 181 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,480 we would want to have in the contract if 182 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:11,270 it was something you were requiring 183 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,080 generally yeah I mean there are 184 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:14,820 obviously counting up you know for the 185 00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:16,380 purpose of auditing 186 00:19:16,380 --> 00:19:17,880 um the programs and what is being used 187 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,400 for uh and in addition I believe 188 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:21,780 um a lot of these projects are going to 189 00:19:21,780 --> 00:19:23,700 be reimbursement based so they're going 190 00:19:23,700 --> 00:19:26,280 to have to provide documentation to uh 191 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,160 the city before we would reimburse them 192 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:30,900 for those costs I don't know if that's 193 00:19:30,900 --> 00:19:33,900 every single project but I believe I 194 00:19:33,900 --> 00:19:35,700 think from what we spoke about it seemed 195 00:19:35,700 --> 00:19:38,059 like almost every project or every 196 00:19:38,059 --> 00:19:40,620 recipient is going to have to submit 197 00:19:40,620 --> 00:19:43,020 documentation before they receive the 198 00:19:43,020 --> 00:19:45,529 funds 199 00:19:45,539 --> 00:19:47,340 and we talked about establishing a 200 00:19:47,340 --> 00:19:49,140 similar quarterly report that they would 201 00:19:49,140 --> 00:19:51,120 submit right as a status update on the 202 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:53,220 project with any background you know 203 00:19:53,220 --> 00:19:56,039 information and documents that we could 204 00:19:56,039 --> 00:20:00,909 you know track things along the way 205 00:20:00,919 --> 00:20:05,760 any other comments thank you thank you for the updates thank you 206 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:10,320 motion to adjourn all in favor thank you 207 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,780 next is City development and planning 208 00:20:12,780 --> 00:20:14,580 I'll call that to order that's my 209 00:20:14,580 --> 00:20:19,930 committee why do I always say I'm sorry 210 00:20:19,940 --> 00:20:21,900 I'd like to pull up or the city 211 00:20:21,900 --> 00:20:24,539 development and planning we have five 212 00:20:24,539 --> 00:20:26,340 items on the agenda 213 00:20:26,340 --> 00:20:28,980 first one is to discuss Revere Avenue 214 00:20:28,980 --> 00:20:31,260 paper Street development feasibility 215 00:20:31,260 --> 00:20:39,430 study Mr Wallen 216 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:44,580 thank you uh several sessions ago we had 217 00:20:44,580 --> 00:20:46,380 the property owner one of the main 218 00:20:46,380 --> 00:20:48,419 Property Owners of rear Revere Avenue 219 00:20:48,419 --> 00:20:52,760 here to discuss petitioning the city to 220 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,740 look at developing his street from a 221 00:20:55,740 --> 00:20:59,660 paper Street into a actual street 222 00:20:59,660 --> 00:21:04,500 so what we have here is a proposal from 223 00:21:04,500 --> 00:21:07,260 a firm CT male who I do have on the term 224 00:21:07,260 --> 00:21:11,340 contract I decided to look at CT mail as 225 00:21:11,340 --> 00:21:15,960 they are ms4 Slip firm so they have the 226 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:17,580 best history and knowledge right now of 227 00:21:17,580 --> 00:21:20,460 the city from a drainage wetlands and 228 00:21:20,460 --> 00:21:22,740 permanent perspective we don't do a ton 229 00:21:22,740 --> 00:21:24,600 of work with them right now either so 230 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,520 it's something where they're not too 231 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,080 busy where we have some other firms that 232 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,020 were working on more road projects I 233 00:21:31,020 --> 00:21:32,580 talked with the principal there about 234 00:21:32,580 --> 00:21:34,980 the proposal and what we were looking to 235 00:21:34,980 --> 00:21:38,700 do I think the scope and the fee is 236 00:21:38,700 --> 00:21:40,559 right right middle range what we were 237 00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:42,780 talking about the question I guess that 238 00:21:42,780 --> 00:21:44,460 we have now was for the council to 239 00:21:44,460 --> 00:21:46,320 determine if they'd like to move forward 240 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,100 with this at this fee and if so how they 241 00:21:50,100 --> 00:21:52,799 would like to pay for this fee typically 242 00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:55,740 the cost is assessed on the property but 243 00:21:55,740 --> 00:21:57,960 I do not have the property owner here 244 00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,940 um I've kind of neglected to invite him 245 00:21:59,940 --> 00:22:02,880 that is my fault but I know when I'm 246 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,400 talking with him and his letter has put 247 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,000 that these properties that have no use 248 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,419 and no access he's paid over he claims a 249 00:22:12,419 --> 00:22:13,620 hundred thousand dollars I have not 250 00:22:13,620 --> 00:22:17,280 verified that with Lindsay but he would 251 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,500 say that he would look for the city to 252 00:22:19,500 --> 00:22:22,260 probably take on that cost for the 253 00:22:22,260 --> 00:22:24,480 design and then if it was feasible then 254 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,700 he would work with us in the future on 255 00:22:26,700 --> 00:22:29,580 those costs as it goes forward so I 256 00:22:29,580 --> 00:22:31,559 guess this is a discussion for the 257 00:22:31,559 --> 00:22:34,380 council because I have this and I don't 258 00:22:34,380 --> 00:22:36,480 know the this is as far as I can take it 259 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:41,640 right now without some kind of a lot of Direction I guess we're 260 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,529 construction from the council 261 00:22:45,539 --> 00:22:48,850 discussion 262 00:22:48,860 --> 00:22:52,080 is there a president that the city would 263 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,340 not 264 00:22:53,340 --> 00:22:56,520 pass this um funding request on to the 265 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,260 homeowner or is there a member of 266 00:22:58,260 --> 00:23:00,360 instance where the city would like fair 267 00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:03,120 or Fair these costs 268 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:06,539 well I would say that I this particular 269 00:23:06,539 --> 00:23:08,640 situation is the first that I have seen 270 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,520 in 10 years that I've been city engineer 271 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,460 you know 99 of the city has been 272 00:23:14,460 --> 00:23:16,500 developed the other areas where we have 273 00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:18,539 mostly paper streets like this or 274 00:23:18,539 --> 00:23:20,460 adjacent or in Parks so we've tried to 275 00:23:20,460 --> 00:23:22,980 reclaim them this particular street is 276 00:23:22,980 --> 00:23:26,100 an outlier whereas it really serves no 277 00:23:26,100 --> 00:23:28,260 purpose to the city from a you know 278 00:23:28,260 --> 00:23:30,419 Recreation or Park standpoint it's in 279 00:23:30,419 --> 00:23:31,980 between two housing developments which 280 00:23:31,980 --> 00:23:34,760 is why he's trying to develop it himself 281 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,320 and the only 282 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,960 I would say the only similar that we 283 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,059 have right now would be our sidewalk 284 00:23:42,059 --> 00:23:43,440 Assessment program which we're going to 285 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,760 talk about and right now we are not 286 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,580 um assessing any of the soft costs onto 287 00:23:50,580 --> 00:23:52,020 the homeowners 288 00:23:52,020 --> 00:23:53,640 um so for instance I will tell you that 289 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,679 due to the complications of North 290 00:23:55,679 --> 00:23:57,000 College Street which is one of the ones 291 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,840 right now I'm working with an engineer 292 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,000 on that project and it's probably at the 293 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,679 end of the day is going to cost upwards 294 00:24:04,679 --> 00:24:06,360 of maybe ten thousand dollars to have 295 00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:08,640 all the design for that street to make 296 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,620 sure all the properties are there and we 297 00:24:10,620 --> 00:24:12,780 have yet to include that against someone 298 00:24:12,780 --> 00:24:14,940 so I would say the president is really 299 00:24:14,940 --> 00:24:18,000 haven't been but it's also because we've 300 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,740 been trying to do things a little more 301 00:24:19,740 --> 00:24:21,539 in-house but with this particular one 302 00:24:21,539 --> 00:24:22,679 was something I was going to talk with 303 00:24:22,679 --> 00:24:24,240 you guys about we haven't assessed 304 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,039 anything yet to North College so do we 305 00:24:26,039 --> 00:24:28,860 want to do that or do we not 306 00:24:28,860 --> 00:24:30,900 um because what's ended up happening on 307 00:24:30,900 --> 00:24:33,720 the camp for instance was or Ardsley was 308 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,400 we tried to do it a little quicker and 309 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,260 faster and we got a lot more questions 310 00:24:37,260 --> 00:24:39,480 and the costs so now we're really trying 311 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,460 to tighten up our front end and our 312 00:24:41,460 --> 00:24:44,039 design so we don't have that so that 313 00:24:44,039 --> 00:24:45,900 we're kind of a little bit but to put 314 00:24:45,900 --> 00:24:47,520 that extra time in I needed a little bit 315 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,980 extra horsepower so we're going to have 316 00:24:49,980 --> 00:24:51,539 a lot more detailed planned for North 317 00:24:51,539 --> 00:24:52,860 College 318 00:24:52,860 --> 00:24:55,320 maybe for something like Ardsley 319 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,179 um and I get the the gentleman's Point 320 00:24:57,179 --> 00:25:02,100 depending on the taxes but it is it is a tough line because it says that it 321 00:25:02,100 --> 00:25:03,960 should be assessed for him but he has 322 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,280 been paying taxes for our properties 323 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,260 that have been essentially vacant wooded 324 00:25:07,260 --> 00:25:07,980 land 325 00:25:07,980 --> 00:25:11,049 so 326 00:25:11,059 --> 00:25:12,960 it's Patrick 327 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,720 um could you refresh my memory as to 328 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,580 um what kind what does he hope to do in 329 00:25:17,580 --> 00:25:18,780 terms of the development I mean would he 330 00:25:18,780 --> 00:25:20,280 be putting up houses that would then be 331 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,559 on there I believe he had the zoning 332 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:24,840 change to multi-family so he's hoping to 333 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,520 do something with a multi-family similar 334 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,159 to what's adjacent he's between I 335 00:25:29,159 --> 00:25:31,140 believe the Hampshire house and Sheridan 336 00:25:31,140 --> 00:25:32,640 Apartments so I don't think he's looking 337 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,440 for any kind of you know single family 338 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,080 home development you know he owns most 339 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,760 of the properties I know he is looking 340 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,980 to consolidate as many as he can you 341 00:25:40,980 --> 00:25:42,779 know to make larger Parcels to do 342 00:25:42,779 --> 00:25:45,240 something you know there isn't uh 343 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,580 discussion even if we could only develop 344 00:25:47,580 --> 00:25:49,440 you know some of the road or how we 345 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,659 could do it you know he could take some 346 00:25:51,659 --> 00:25:53,279 of the road and try to dead end it and 347 00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:54,900 work with the other one property owner 348 00:25:54,900 --> 00:25:57,419 but because he doesn't know if this road 349 00:25:57,419 --> 00:25:59,520 is feasible right he hasn't been able 350 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,919 he's gotten interest from people but he 351 00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:03,840 hasn't gotten any you know no one to 352 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,020 sign anything because there's this 353 00:26:06,020 --> 00:26:08,700 open-ended well how would you access it 354 00:26:08,700 --> 00:26:10,200 how do you get to the property Is it 355 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,810 feasible to do 356 00:26:14,820 --> 00:26:16,799 so he's asking us to absorb the Foster 357 00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:19,200 he has I mean I I if we had the original 358 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,600 letter which I don't have he he gets 359 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,400 into that about how much you just pay 360 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,080 the taxes and things like that and if we 361 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,120 want to push I can have him come I guess 362 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:28,620 if that's the direction we want them to 363 00:26:28,620 --> 00:26:30,960 come but uh I just wanted to bring this 364 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,000 to you so that you saw the next point 365 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,520 that we're at 366 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,179 and is there any so if we let's say we 367 00:26:39,179 --> 00:26:41,640 considered that where you you haven't 368 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,380 identified a funding source out of your 369 00:26:43,380 --> 00:26:45,360 department that this would happen 370 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:48,179 could happen from yeah I have some fun 371 00:26:48,179 --> 00:26:49,980 I have I have a fees for service line 372 00:26:49,980 --> 00:26:52,260 that are used for things like this so it 373 00:26:52,260 --> 00:26:53,520 wouldn't be a capital I have some 374 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,620 operating money it would be nice to yeah 375 00:26:55,620 --> 00:26:57,900 and that that shouldn't be 376 00:26:57,900 --> 00:27:00,480 a huge I would say burden on me or the 377 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:01,980 department we have money for services 378 00:27:01,980 --> 00:27:05,990 like this 379 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,400 other question 380 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,260 wings I think it'd be more of a comment 381 00:27:10,260 --> 00:27:11,760 I think I just want to make sure that 382 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,799 we're aware of any other potential of 383 00:27:13,799 --> 00:27:15,120 paper streets because I'll make sure 384 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:17,880 we're not just approving it based on 385 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,620 this one one instance if there are 386 00:27:19,620 --> 00:27:21,299 multiple incidents out there what are we 387 00:27:21,299 --> 00:27:22,980 essentially saying yes to in the future 388 00:27:22,980 --> 00:27:25,679 and I also want to make sure I'm in 389 00:27:25,679 --> 00:27:28,200 favor of this but with respect to the 390 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:29,940 sidewalk program making sure we're not 391 00:27:29,940 --> 00:27:32,400 considering things absent like other 392 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,679 factors so with the cycle program like 393 00:27:34,679 --> 00:27:36,900 we're taking care of some of the fees 394 00:27:36,900 --> 00:27:38,400 what is that appropriate in this 395 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:39,900 instance where we'd be considering 396 00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:42,000 paying a hundred percent of it so I just 397 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,340 want to put that up there for food for 398 00:27:44,340 --> 00:27:48,960 thought yeah and I guess just this 6700 399 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,600 if we were to carry this forward 400 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,400 um and let's say that it comes out that 401 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,760 yes it's feasible to construct this road 402 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,919 um those then we get into an even more 403 00:27:58,919 --> 00:28:01,140 you know larger situation you're not 404 00:28:01,140 --> 00:28:02,640 constructing the road for under a 405 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,080 hundred thousand dollars you're not 406 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,020 designing a road for under 25 so all of 407 00:28:07,020 --> 00:28:10,080 a sudden the fees then get larger and 408 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,900 that is where we have to have a more 409 00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:14,039 realistic discussion with the home of 410 00:28:14,039 --> 00:28:16,620 the property owners about okay if you're 411 00:28:16,620 --> 00:28:19,860 doing this for you know a reason to you 412 00:28:19,860 --> 00:28:21,960 know develop it then we have to talk 413 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,100 with them I don't know if we'd have to 414 00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:25,140 get something like uh you know a 415 00:28:25,140 --> 00:28:26,880 metroplex involved or someone to 416 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,260 Development Authority well you know just 417 00:28:28,260 --> 00:28:31,080 to make sure that this is this is a to 418 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,539 me this is a small cost compared to if 419 00:28:33,539 --> 00:28:35,460 this leads to something more the cost 420 00:28:35,460 --> 00:28:36,720 could 421 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,600 exponential larger 422 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,059 and then those costs you know then this 423 00:28:42,059 --> 00:28:44,400 comes down to you know absorbing those 424 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,860 but it is a public road if we do it but 425 00:28:46,860 --> 00:28:48,659 still it's a public road for the benefit 426 00:28:48,659 --> 00:28:50,880 of a property owner who owns all the 427 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:58,490 properties around 428 00:28:58,500 --> 00:28:59,820 so I think it takes some further 429 00:28:59,820 --> 00:29:01,260 discussion because he would have to 430 00:29:01,260 --> 00:29:02,220 agree 431 00:29:02,220 --> 00:29:03,779 um I mean he wouldn't have to but we 432 00:29:03,779 --> 00:29:05,220 would need to have some agreement like 433 00:29:05,220 --> 00:29:06,840 would you have a part of that cost 434 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,059 that's I suppose so that's just you know 435 00:29:09,059 --> 00:29:11,520 basically of this cost 436 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,500 um and well let's say we do the 437 00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:16,260 feasibility study and then it leads into 438 00:29:16,260 --> 00:29:17,940 you know okay down the road so who's 439 00:29:17,940 --> 00:29:20,340 going to pay for that okay for me to me 440 00:29:20,340 --> 00:29:21,840 should be part of the conversation as 441 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:22,919 well 442 00:29:22,919 --> 00:29:24,480 um with the expectation that the city 443 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,120 would trading that entire cost yeah 444 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,919 that'd be something I could talk with 445 00:29:28,919 --> 00:29:30,419 them about 446 00:29:30,419 --> 00:29:32,640 and then we could come back uh you know 447 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,440 sometime maybe after in the first of the 448 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,940 year after I know you have 449 00:29:35,940 --> 00:29:37,500 you know maybe it's not the first one 450 00:29:37,500 --> 00:29:39,120 but in the future we can talk about it 451 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,919 but I wanted to get this information to 452 00:29:40,919 --> 00:29:43,740 you so that we could talk about it 453 00:29:43,740 --> 00:29:45,179 um yeah I think we need to have further 454 00:29:45,179 --> 00:29:48,539 discussion is there any other thoughts 455 00:29:48,539 --> 00:29:50,220 would you like anything from him like uh 456 00:29:50,220 --> 00:29:51,899 for written proposal about what he would 457 00:29:51,899 --> 00:29:53,640 think uh how this would go forward 458 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,440 something like that 459 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,640 I think yeah okay 460 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:07,510 yeah 461 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,580 no okay item number two is uh 462 00:30:11,580 --> 00:30:13,440 award-bidden contact with Jerry Burrell 463 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:14,820 Park improvements with Harbor 464 00:30:14,820 --> 00:30:18,539 construction Mr long sure so this was a 465 00:30:18,539 --> 00:30:20,399 complex project as you know we've been 466 00:30:20,399 --> 00:30:22,559 really trying to move forward with the 467 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:24,600 improvements to Jerry Burrell Park 468 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,399 um the project has been out to bid prior 469 00:30:26,399 --> 00:30:28,679 we did receive no bids we went back 470 00:30:28,679 --> 00:30:30,899 through we worked a bit uh and we 471 00:30:30,899 --> 00:30:32,580 received one bid from Carver 472 00:30:32,580 --> 00:30:34,020 construction who as you know we do a lot 473 00:30:34,020 --> 00:30:35,940 of work within the city 474 00:30:35,940 --> 00:30:38,700 um the bid was higher than our budget 475 00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:41,940 would allow we met with Virginia talked 476 00:30:41,940 --> 00:30:44,399 with Andrew and they do allow and 477 00:30:44,399 --> 00:30:46,500 procurement that if you have one bidder 478 00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:49,200 you can negotiate with that better so we 479 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,799 sat down myself Kristin Ron we all met 480 00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:55,740 with them all and we talked about where 481 00:30:55,740 --> 00:30:59,520 they saw costs in the project and after 482 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,559 some back and forth 483 00:31:01,559 --> 00:31:02,640 um they thought that there were some 484 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,000 areas regarding some of the means and 485 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,919 methods Sometimes some of the subface 486 00:31:07,919 --> 00:31:09,419 and the amount given their walking path 487 00:31:09,419 --> 00:31:12,600 and some other things that uh some of 488 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,220 their stuff marks up so I mean there was 489 00:31:14,220 --> 00:31:16,320 some there was some meat on the bottom 490 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,720 and so because of the importance of the 491 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,820 project they looked to bring it down to 492 00:31:20,820 --> 00:31:23,279 the number that you see here 1.3 and 493 00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:26,000 that is uh more in line with our budget 494 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,919 and so with that number we're looking to 495 00:31:28,919 --> 00:31:31,140 move forward because we just really want 496 00:31:31,140 --> 00:31:34,310 to move this project 497 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,679 any questions comments 498 00:31:37,679 --> 00:31:40,080 I'll move this I'll second it all is in 499 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,330 favor aye thank you Mr Wallace 500 00:31:44,340 --> 00:31:46,860 um next item on the agenda is 501 00:31:46,860 --> 00:31:51,430 nope 502 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,320 okay is the update for the actual yes 503 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,360 the Central Park 504 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,720 um sidewalk project Mr motivary yeah 505 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,880 thank you I asked to put us on the 506 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,679 agenda just to update the entire Council 507 00:32:04,679 --> 00:32:07,020 because uh we had a meeting last week 508 00:32:07,020 --> 00:32:09,720 two meetings and I wanted to update the 509 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,399 entire Council on where we are in terms 510 00:32:11,399 --> 00:32:13,620 of that and the way forward Vanessa 511 00:32:13,620 --> 00:32:14,840 welding is going to give us some ideas 512 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,640 on the pathway forward in terms of what 513 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,140 is going to happen that was discussed in 514 00:32:19,140 --> 00:32:20,580 the meeting but I think is why is that 515 00:32:20,580 --> 00:32:22,320 we discussed here and everybody's on the 516 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,120 same page so the last one still want to 517 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,039 just walk us through what is what are 518 00:32:26,039 --> 00:32:28,789 the next steps 519 00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:31,620 sure for clarity for anyone that is 520 00:32:31,620 --> 00:32:34,700 listening online it is Central Parkway 521 00:32:34,700 --> 00:32:39,240 not Central Park Central Park uh I just 522 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,220 want to make the note says Central Park 523 00:32:41,220 --> 00:32:43,140 and that could be misleading so what 524 00:32:43,140 --> 00:32:44,880 we're talking about is Central Parkway 525 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,640 essentially between Eastern Parkway and 526 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,120 de camp we did have those meetings what 527 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,580 we're looking to do is like I discussed 528 00:32:53,580 --> 00:32:55,440 earlier I'm working on North College 529 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,120 Street sidewalk assessment a very 530 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,760 similar program and what I'm looking to 531 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,279 do is wrap that project up sometime in 532 00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:04,559 January and start working on this one 533 00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:06,620 there and after 534 00:33:06,620 --> 00:33:10,380 the concerns that were voiced were a lot 535 00:33:10,380 --> 00:33:13,100 about width of the travel Lane 536 00:33:13,100 --> 00:33:15,120 maintaining some kind of width of an 537 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,299 island parking 538 00:33:17,299 --> 00:33:19,980 and just overall clearances down the 539 00:33:19,980 --> 00:33:21,480 road making sure it doesn't impact any 540 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,159 more to some of the 541 00:33:23,159 --> 00:33:25,320 um the trees and the Aesthetics of the 542 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:26,360 roadway 543 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,460 I expressed to them my concern over 544 00:33:29,460 --> 00:33:32,580 right now curving shortages as this road 545 00:33:32,580 --> 00:33:34,679 would use approximately 5000 feet of 546 00:33:34,679 --> 00:33:38,279 curb due to the islands so that is 547 00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:39,899 something that I've been discussing with 548 00:33:39,899 --> 00:33:43,380 curbing still is in short supply just 549 00:33:43,380 --> 00:33:45,059 had a meeting last week about Brandywine 550 00:33:45,059 --> 00:33:47,640 Avenue and that is still even Brandywine 551 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,799 Avenue using a thousand feet of curb and 552 00:33:49,799 --> 00:33:52,080 that's going to be difficult so on my 553 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,640 schedule right now for this project like 554 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,620 I said is wrap up North College get that 555 00:33:55,620 --> 00:33:58,200 out to bid take the resources I'm using 556 00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,899 for North College turn them right to 557 00:33:59,899 --> 00:34:03,960 Central Parkway and once we get that 558 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,640 going I would think that the turnaround 559 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,080 for Central Parkway is going to be a 560 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,639 little quicker than North College 561 00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:10,200 because the street is a little bit more 562 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,919 uniform North College is very complex 563 00:34:13,919 --> 00:34:16,619 even though it's a lot shorter and then 564 00:34:16,619 --> 00:34:17,940 what we're going to do is put that out 565 00:34:17,940 --> 00:34:21,119 to bid get the bids back bring those to 566 00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:23,220 you here about what the bit is I'm going 567 00:34:23,220 --> 00:34:25,260 to put together some summary sheets that 568 00:34:25,260 --> 00:34:27,659 we can discuss and then I believe what 569 00:34:27,659 --> 00:34:29,280 we'd like to do that was discussed is 570 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,700 get everyone back on a petition to sign 571 00:34:32,700 --> 00:34:35,460 off that they saw their cost and agree 572 00:34:35,460 --> 00:34:37,080 to their cost I know that in talking 573 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,179 with Mr Golden there was some concern 574 00:34:39,179 --> 00:34:41,099 about new residents moving to the street 575 00:34:41,099 --> 00:34:42,960 which was also brought up by Mr Blue 576 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,520 Rivera at the meetings and to make sure 577 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,280 that we capture the four or five new 578 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,399 residents and everyone on there so 579 00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:52,679 is kind of a hybrid of what we've been 580 00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:54,960 doing in the past it's a little bit more 581 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,460 involved but it's probably going to give 582 00:34:56,460 --> 00:34:58,800 us a little bit better of a result on 583 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,839 the back end so once we have all that 584 00:35:00,839 --> 00:35:02,820 done I do believe we need to call for a 585 00:35:02,820 --> 00:35:05,640 public hearing to create the district 586 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,320 um so 587 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,140 in a perfect world 588 00:35:10,140 --> 00:35:13,020 I would bring the bids back here in 589 00:35:13,020 --> 00:35:15,720 February and when I bring the bids to 590 00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:17,940 you we would call for the public hearing 591 00:35:17,940 --> 00:35:20,400 at that meeting and then we would try to 592 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,440 get the petitions done by the public 593 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:23,940 hearing which would give us about three 594 00:35:23,940 --> 00:35:25,920 weeks I believe or not 595 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,740 four or four weeks to get to there that 596 00:35:28,740 --> 00:35:30,240 would save us the most amount of time 597 00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:31,980 because if we were to wait for the 598 00:35:31,980 --> 00:35:34,500 petitions to come back and then call for 599 00:35:34,500 --> 00:35:37,140 the public hearing that can really put 600 00:35:37,140 --> 00:35:38,760 us out and then we also have to worry 601 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,119 about the bids becoming stale if we're 602 00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:44,640 not awarding the bid within 45 days of 603 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,339 receiving it so that would be my 604 00:35:47,339 --> 00:35:49,920 recommendation if we could rally the 605 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,560 street to get those petitions signed in 606 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,060 that amount of time those three weeks 607 00:35:54,060 --> 00:35:55,920 which given the involvement on the 608 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,320 meetings I think it should be possible 609 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,440 but um so I would hope that we get 610 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,619 everything to you sometime in March and 611 00:36:04,619 --> 00:36:06,119 we would be able to construct it this 612 00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:09,480 year but the wild card will be the Curve 613 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,460 yeah just so I thought you have two 614 00:36:11,460 --> 00:36:14,099 homeowners who are working with us to 615 00:36:14,099 --> 00:36:15,960 get the updated application to have 616 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,960 those five names added updated on the 617 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,460 petition I'm done well that is in the 618 00:36:20,460 --> 00:36:22,320 words so that is not holding back 619 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,000 anything that's in your uh 620 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,920 so those are they commit themselves to 621 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,599 make that happen and we commit ourselves 622 00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:34,920 to help them to get those updates the only other thing that came up that 623 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,240 could be a point of contention with 624 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:38,780 their homeowners is certain homeowners 625 00:36:38,780 --> 00:36:40,980 expressive interests if they're sidewalk 626 00:36:40,980 --> 00:36:43,440 was in good condition to leave it and we 627 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,660 have not done that in the past 628 00:36:45,660 --> 00:36:48,300 and I would not recommend it 629 00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:49,920 but 630 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,579 you know if if we could make it work we 631 00:36:53,579 --> 00:36:56,339 will but the sidewalk may look a little 632 00:36:56,339 --> 00:36:58,920 wavy if we were to do that because it'd 633 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,180 be part of the reason that right into 634 00:37:00,180 --> 00:37:02,220 Camp look like they are it's a nice 635 00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:04,980 strict you know edging of the curve all 636 00:37:04,980 --> 00:37:08,460 the way down and so and I know that the 637 00:37:08,460 --> 00:37:10,200 idea with this assessment is is that 638 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,000 once you get the percentage even if you 639 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,440 did not sign off you would still get 640 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,680 assessed the value so they just from a 641 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,960 public perception you you know you could 642 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,940 hear about that depending on which way I 643 00:37:20,940 --> 00:37:22,800 don't know if you guys want to go the 644 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,240 other way we just haven't done that yet 645 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:28,150 with a street like this 646 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,119 personally I will leave that to you 647 00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:33,770 you're already export tonight 648 00:37:33,780 --> 00:37:35,460 that's my I don't know but you know the 649 00:37:35,460 --> 00:37:37,619 rest of the council so pick that out 650 00:37:37,619 --> 00:37:41,760 leave that out or we'll just bypass it 651 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,400 uploaded your recommendation yeah I 652 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,079 agree with that I don't know I mean they 653 00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:48,839 have a couple of numbers can I ask but I 654 00:37:48,839 --> 00:37:51,900 trust I trust your expertise I used to 655 00:37:51,900 --> 00:37:54,480 look like you know Mosaic of tiles going 656 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,579 down the street so 657 00:37:56,579 --> 00:37:59,280 um but yeah a bit regressive Insurance 658 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,260 in our church are there any upside work 659 00:38:01,260 --> 00:38:02,940 that was completed that you're skipping 660 00:38:02,940 --> 00:38:05,880 or you're just thinking on that also not 661 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,180 sure College North College on North 662 00:38:09,180 --> 00:38:12,060 College there's one section that we are 663 00:38:12,060 --> 00:38:14,940 looking at remaining as it is very 664 00:38:14,940 --> 00:38:16,380 unique 665 00:38:16,380 --> 00:38:17,880 um and I'll share it with you it was a 666 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,619 actually it was an idea that was thought 667 00:38:19,619 --> 00:38:21,180 up in the field by one of the 668 00:38:21,180 --> 00:38:23,400 contractors that we walked it it is the 669 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,280 former Church site which is now in 670 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,700 business they have a nine foot wide 671 00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:33,060 sidewalk and a nice curve that they put 672 00:38:33,060 --> 00:38:35,820 in however it's a little higher and what 673 00:38:35,820 --> 00:38:37,560 we've determined is we may I'm not 674 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,359 saying 100 but we may be able to 675 00:38:39,359 --> 00:38:41,460 actually cut 676 00:38:41,460 --> 00:38:44,339 the four feet of unnecessary sidewalk as 677 00:38:44,339 --> 00:38:46,380 our standard is five and then do a 678 00:38:46,380 --> 00:38:49,020 landscaping area with some trees and 679 00:38:49,020 --> 00:38:50,640 then make it up that that great 680 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,400 transition with that which is possible 681 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,380 you could you know the green spaces like 682 00:38:55,380 --> 00:38:59,579 on Ardsley Ardsley allowed us to skip 683 00:38:59,579 --> 00:39:03,000 houses we skipped several houses because 684 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,820 on our zoo we have a curb and a grass 685 00:39:05,820 --> 00:39:08,040 strip and then the sidewalk but where 686 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,220 you have the curb and the sidewalk you 687 00:39:11,220 --> 00:39:13,200 know integrated to really make the 688 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:14,880 street look like what we would like it 689 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,640 to look you cannot remove that curve and 690 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,640 keep the sidewalk so it's it's difficult 691 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,579 and you know we haven't had a lot of uh 692 00:39:23,579 --> 00:39:25,980 easy sidewalk assessments come across 693 00:39:25,980 --> 00:39:26,839 you know 694 00:39:26,839 --> 00:39:29,880 Ardsley was one of four so I'm looking 695 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,500 forward to another similar to that 696 00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:33,720 because yeah it is it is easier to make 697 00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:35,640 it up when you have some some space to 698 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:40,970 work with some buffer area 699 00:39:40,980 --> 00:39:42,540 um just one other thing when we were 700 00:39:42,540 --> 00:39:44,040 having this discussion during the 701 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,060 meeting the 702 00:39:45,060 --> 00:39:48,599 um the residents of Central Parkway felt 703 00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:50,960 that they should get uh more of an 704 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,160 assistance from the city than other 705 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,339 streets had um simply because they were 706 00:39:56,339 --> 00:39:58,500 the main entrance into the park and 707 00:39:58,500 --> 00:40:00,300 people used it a lot so they did bring 708 00:40:00,300 --> 00:40:02,099 that up in terms of any part of the city 709 00:40:02,099 --> 00:40:03,119 was going to pay they thought they 710 00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:04,800 should get I mean somebody actually said 711 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,140 75 percent exactly 712 00:40:07,140 --> 00:40:08,400 um in terms of the part of the city 713 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:09,720 would pay so I just want you to know 714 00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:13,020 that they strongly feel that because of 715 00:40:13,020 --> 00:40:15,000 their main way into the park and a lot 716 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,920 of people use them that they should get 717 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,740 more of insistence in terms of what the 718 00:40:19,740 --> 00:40:22,260 part that City pays so 719 00:40:22,260 --> 00:40:24,240 just letting you know that 720 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:27,349 huh 721 00:40:27,359 --> 00:40:30,300 so let me weren't meeting you know I was 722 00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:32,900 at the upper unions from the other 723 00:40:32,900 --> 00:40:34,440 associationally went a little bit later 724 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,720 no no that's okay yeah um so yeah just 725 00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:41,530 but I just wanted to make you aware that conversation did take place 726 00:40:41,540 --> 00:40:44,460 invitation once we have 727 00:40:44,460 --> 00:40:46,579 any more updates 728 00:40:46,579 --> 00:40:49,619 will let you back on us a little bit and 729 00:40:49,619 --> 00:40:51,240 if there's anything against that but 730 00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:52,859 they're working a lot I'm glad happy 731 00:40:52,859 --> 00:40:55,320 that we're getting on board and moving 732 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,359 forward as a cyborg program because here 733 00:40:57,359 --> 00:41:00,060 we did for quite some time there 734 00:41:00,060 --> 00:41:02,099 number of years and I think they are so 735 00:41:02,099 --> 00:41:04,560 they're happy that it's finally they are 736 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,859 skeptical because 737 00:41:06,859 --> 00:41:08,900 three years 738 00:41:08,900 --> 00:41:11,160 so you know there are a lot of questions 739 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:12,780 there are a lot of people who are on the 740 00:41:12,780 --> 00:41:14,940 fence I think but they were concerned 741 00:41:14,940 --> 00:41:16,680 because they weren't getting any 742 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,140 feedback and here we are now moving 743 00:41:19,140 --> 00:41:21,300 forward we're providing information to 744 00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:23,460 them and they're more uh you know 745 00:41:23,460 --> 00:41:24,900 relaxed 746 00:41:24,900 --> 00:41:26,760 product Awards in terms of moving 747 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,020 forward 748 00:41:28,020 --> 00:41:30,359 involved yeah my recommendation at the 749 00:41:30,359 --> 00:41:32,820 meeting and to you now would just be to 750 00:41:32,820 --> 00:41:36,119 try to do the best decide on the side of 751 00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:37,920 uniformity 752 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,060 um you know we've done the sidewalk 753 00:41:39,060 --> 00:41:41,400 assessment now a couple of times it was 754 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,760 subsidized to a percent and we're going 755 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,200 to be doing it before Central Parkway 756 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,300 with North College and I think it takes 757 00:41:48,300 --> 00:41:50,280 a lot of pressure off of this table and 758 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,740 myself if there is a 759 00:41:52,740 --> 00:41:57,720 uniform equations we talked about that we go forward with it it is what is 760 00:41:57,720 --> 00:41:59,220 I mean this is a it's still a great 761 00:41:59,220 --> 00:42:01,859 benefit it's a subsidized program but I 762 00:42:01,859 --> 00:42:04,440 could see if on Central Parkway we go 763 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:05,579 above 764 00:42:05,579 --> 00:42:08,220 what we usually do then when we do have 765 00:42:08,220 --> 00:42:11,700 one I've heard on an Elm Street or an 766 00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:13,260 area that a city yet we're going to get 767 00:42:13,260 --> 00:42:16,200 more of the wire and I think you're 768 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,140 opening up something that I wouldn't 769 00:42:19,140 --> 00:42:21,300 recommend so I don't know that equation 770 00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:22,740 I'm going to be able to provide you with 771 00:42:22,740 --> 00:42:26,280 numbers when I come but I 772 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,579 I'd recommend uniformity in some regard 773 00:42:29,579 --> 00:42:31,680 makes sense 774 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:36,300 yeah I think we're going to look at the percentage in terms of the camp how 775 00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:38,540 much um the city Porsche and we'll 776 00:42:38,540 --> 00:42:41,520 discuss that and I I'm a great 777 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,800 ingredient we should stay within that 778 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,960 level so nobody feel that uh one 779 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,700 straight resident is getting more than 780 00:42:47,700 --> 00:42:49,820 the others I mean 781 00:42:49,820 --> 00:42:53,160 similarly it would also save time 782 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:57,180 if we had this number ahead of time if 783 00:42:57,180 --> 00:42:58,859 you were to say that the sidewalk 784 00:42:58,859 --> 00:43:02,599 assessment level for the year 2023 is X 785 00:43:02,599 --> 00:43:05,940 then all of the homeowners could go and 786 00:43:05,940 --> 00:43:08,099 say this is what it will cost and we 787 00:43:08,099 --> 00:43:10,079 could do it before the bid and even if 788 00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:11,880 the bid's a little higher we're still 789 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,359 you know I have a pretty good idea of 790 00:43:15,359 --> 00:43:17,400 what the number is going to be if it 791 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,859 varies five or ten percent you know but 792 00:43:19,859 --> 00:43:22,200 this this bringing it and bringing it 793 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,960 back and then it is adding work and it's 794 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,220 going to add work to come to here 795 00:43:26,220 --> 00:43:28,440 whereas if you know we had some kind of 796 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,839 uh Mr Mayor we talked about some kind of 797 00:43:30,839 --> 00:43:33,359 an equation where we had a number 798 00:43:33,359 --> 00:43:35,040 it would it would be able to come right 799 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,900 at that first step into the city's 800 00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:41,520 number for 2023 is 50 a linear foot and 801 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,740 this is what it would cost do you want 802 00:43:43,740 --> 00:43:46,680 to go forward and then we just do it 803 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:52,079 yeah Miss boyfriend yes I think that's that sounds very smart because I 804 00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:54,599 think it also on the other end where we 805 00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:57,540 ended up having to you know we had 806 00:43:57,540 --> 00:43:59,760 numbers that weren't actually the 807 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,200 numbers that had been given to the 808 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,420 residents and so that's how we ended up 809 00:44:03,420 --> 00:44:05,839 you know 810 00:44:05,839 --> 00:44:08,400 subsidizing some of that in this case 811 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,240 we'd be more proactive and and we'd be 812 00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:16,020 upfront with a cost and 813 00:44:16,020 --> 00:44:17,400 you know hopefully that would be the 814 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:18,900 accurate you know what I mean that would 815 00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:21,960 be not something that we then have to on 816 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,720 the other end make up you know for 817 00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:27,780 residents yeah I mean maybe that's how I 818 00:44:27,780 --> 00:44:30,300 always envisioned it John I don't know I 819 00:44:30,300 --> 00:44:31,680 know that we've talked about it when you 820 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,420 were you know uh putting this program 821 00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:37,200 together with everyone and I I think in 822 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,660 my opinion is even as a you know as a 823 00:44:39,660 --> 00:44:42,000 someone that is you know if you're a 824 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,319 taxpayer and all these things is that 825 00:44:43,319 --> 00:44:46,440 these are people that are opinion you 826 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:47,760 know they're going above and beyond 827 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,800 their taxes and they are in pain right 828 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,560 and so it's not that they're getting a a 829 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,839 free this or free yeah they are putting 830 00:44:54,839 --> 00:44:57,180 you know their money down even if it is 831 00:44:57,180 --> 00:45:00,780 you know a dollar for 50 Cent ratio 832 00:45:00,780 --> 00:45:04,619 um it's still something and uh it would help it would help me I guess 833 00:45:04,619 --> 00:45:06,000 it's self-serving today but would help 834 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,380 me because it would make the program 835 00:45:07,380 --> 00:45:09,540 simpler for me 836 00:45:09,540 --> 00:45:12,359 we can look up at the camp um I think 837 00:45:12,359 --> 00:45:16,150 it's a 20 percent of Florida business 838 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,599 I can work with Chris yeah if you don't 839 00:45:18,599 --> 00:45:21,180 mind it will be an issue yeah we can 840 00:45:21,180 --> 00:45:22,680 apply that across the board if that's 841 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,309 okay 842 00:45:25,319 --> 00:45:26,880 you worked on this program and we 843 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,099 thought that I thought that's how we 844 00:45:29,099 --> 00:45:31,079 should go from the get-cup 845 00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:33,300 um people have money in the game as you 846 00:45:33,300 --> 00:45:36,599 say and uh to put the entire cost on the 847 00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:37,760 resident 848 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,380 while we certainly as a city can't 849 00:45:40,380 --> 00:45:42,440 afford to do sidewalks across the city 850 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,079 and pay for it ourselves 851 00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:47,700 putting money in the game I think 852 00:45:47,700 --> 00:45:52,740 changes things and to help residents to 853 00:45:52,740 --> 00:45:55,500 get sidewalks benefits everybody 854 00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:58,980 property values increase that increases 855 00:45:58,980 --> 00:46:01,940 our our tax 856 00:46:01,940 --> 00:46:05,880 levels in the city so it's a benefit all 857 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,500 the way around and makes the city more 858 00:46:07,500 --> 00:46:11,400 walkable more usable and more attractive 859 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,160 to property owners or it would be 860 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,680 Property Owners that's how we can do 861 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,660 that so we'll find out what's the exact 862 00:46:18,660 --> 00:46:21,910 percentage 863 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,300 and I'm not saying it's anything that we 864 00:46:24,300 --> 00:46:26,520 do immediately I'm just saying is that 865 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,020 we're going to have our past numbers 866 00:46:28,020 --> 00:46:29,819 we'll have our future numbers and then 867 00:46:29,819 --> 00:46:31,980 maybe after those we'll be able to make 868 00:46:31,980 --> 00:46:33,540 an informed decision on how we want to 869 00:46:33,540 --> 00:46:35,819 handle going going forward we'll get 870 00:46:35,819 --> 00:46:38,880 that to you thank you all right any 871 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,619 other questions or comments no that's 872 00:46:40,619 --> 00:46:42,300 good thank you so much thank you guys 873 00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:44,700 appreciate it all right the last two 874 00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:46,380 items are property sales and I'll be 875 00:46:46,380 --> 00:46:48,359 done the executive session so I'll ask 876 00:46:48,359 --> 00:46:51,599 for a motion to recess second all in 877 00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:54,060 favor um 878 00:46:54,060 --> 00:46:57,839 so now I'm going to open claims 879 00:46:57,839 --> 00:47:00,119 um and we have one item on the agenda 880 00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:02,700 and we need to discuss that item in 881 00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:05,099 the executive session so 882 00:47:05,099 --> 00:47:07,859 um I'd like to ask that we have a motion 883 00:47:07,859 --> 00:47:09,920 to go into executive session 884 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,980 second okay all in favor aye okay thank 885 00:47:13,980 --> 00:47:16,099 you