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first committee is Public Safety I think

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you'd like to call from safety

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committee's order we have three items on

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the agendas tonight first of which is

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the acceptance of the state and

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Municipal facilities program granted by

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Chief cooker

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good evening good evening here before

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you tonight to ask for two things

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they're connected so I'll talk about

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both at the same time

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we have been partnering with catapult

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games over the last three and a half

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to help them along with the community

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build a platform called brpd which is a

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virtual reality de-escalation training

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um that has again been built by catapult

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games and the community with the

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community's input

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the owner of the company catapult games

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Dane Jennings has offered the police

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department a significant discount if we

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enter into a two-year contract

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at a contract amount would be seventy

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thousand dollars

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we previously had

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previously dedicated

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roughly if I can find my paperwork here

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what I did with it

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we had previously dedicated a uh a Jag

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000. roughly 25 000 range

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um which which left us a bit short for

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the seventy thousand dollars and uh from

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uh assemblyman Santa Barbara had been

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involved in this development he'd

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attended some of the some of the

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workshops and he had expressed interest

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in helping us and he came through with a

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50 000 Sam Grant to help offset the cost

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of the seventy thousand dollars so our

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plan is to is to use the the Jag funding

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of roughly 23 000 and change with the

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fifty thousand dollar CM Grant uh upside

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you're right twenty five thousand one

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sixty eight was the Jag Grant so we have

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roughly 75 000 in uh in funding to put

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towards this program with seventy

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thousand going towards entering into an

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agreement with catapult games for the

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software as a service that includes the

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and um and then the remaining funds we

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um to put on the community events where

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bring to the community to have the

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community be the end user on the

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de-escalation with the police officer

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and then we will flip roles at the

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Community member see what it's like to

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have to de-escalate a situation where

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the police officer will be the uh the

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person that is uh is on the other end of

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it so my request now would be to uh to accept the Sam Grant of fifty

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thousand dollars and the second request

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would be to enter into the agreement

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with catapult games for the seventy

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have any questions or comments regarding

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answering the agreement with checkbook

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news this word for me so Chief we did

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have a discussion could you just talk a

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little bit about how um axon has some of

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these same capabilities and what the um

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you know what will happen after this

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money runs out with the intentions of

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um so uh we had entered into this

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partnership with catapult games again

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three and a half years ago and in that

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our body cameras and that's what got

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brought us down the roadway of entering

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into an agreement with axon axons

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officer safety plan was a bundled

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service where VR training was also

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cameras effectively we got the virtual

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reality training for free however we had

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already gone down the road working with

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catapult games so I did not want to

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abandon that that's why we've um we're

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doing both simultaneously we're using

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the axon virtual reality training for a

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variety of different things including

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the escalation however the difference is that catapult games is built by our

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community and it's also specific to

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de-escalation training with a two-way

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user Street rather than putting the

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virtual reality on and just interacting

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individually you're interacting with

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another person on the other side and no

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two scenarios are going to be the same

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it for the two years and we're going to

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see if there's a value in maintaining

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two separate programs or if there isn't

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then we will certainly have to go with

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the one that's free most likely which is

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the axon one if we don't see the value

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and maintaining the catapult games but

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we're hopeful for is that we'll we will

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continue building it with catapult and

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find Value in it because there it is a

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local company that built basically built

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this for us and we're hoping that we see

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the value and that you know two years

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from now we're back before you asking

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you to continue it

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I know that there were many many

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um I know that Mr Rivas I think hosted

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multiple events that the community came

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to so it had positive feedback from

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folks that attended those events is that

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yeah yeah Will Rivas was involved in it

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um so was Mr Benitez who helped share

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our we did she he moderated our police

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reform uh reinvention conversations and

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then there was many other people

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involved in this even from Albany that

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were involved so they so we have a more

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of a regional approach to building this

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but we were we were the lead on it it

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was really our community that took the

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lead on and giving feedback so that I I

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know that everybody that's involved in

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this is very excited about the program

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but you know I kind of build a woman

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special for saying so she probably would

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remember us saving some time together

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with some young man in the boys and

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girls club and we're kind of talking

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about I'm just this very uh In This Very

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topic and I'm wondering do you see this

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as a tool to

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um as more of a an engagement tool for

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maybe for like some of the youth

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population maybe some of the something

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applicable to the partnership that's

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been online right now with the school

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district or do you see this as just you

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know more or less than the de-escalation

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uh tool that in his people can just kind

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of get that experimental piece

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I'm the police officer and I see this as

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training

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um coupled with the the engagement end

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on the community and I see this as

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engagement and I really want to be able

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to reach every age group that's in our

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community

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um from the from the youth to adults to

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our seniors I think that's important for

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everybody to understand

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the challenges that we as police

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officers face especially the

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de-escalation challenges but also we

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want to learn from all those three

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different groups what it's like to to

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have to practice different skills on

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de-escalation and I'm not going to lie

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I'm going to use this as a recruitment

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tool also when I go to the schools and

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colleges and maybe even out in the adult

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community to show that you know this is

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a job that is is professionalism that it

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uses many different disciplines to be

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effective and it's a very rewarding job

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to have so I I do want to use it as a

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recruiting tool we'll bring it to our

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recruiting events but even when we're

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out there talking to them to our youth

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tell them to start thinking about the

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career in law enforcement

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I deferred to Mr farluki sure thank you

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mayor so I was wondering do you see this

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the mental health professional

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that we approved class budget do you see

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like this time maybe like but then

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they're overall because I'm thinking

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de-escalation that might be something

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um Falls within that will help

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sure and that's the beauty of this is

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that um you know that professional or

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anybody that has experience in that

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space can sit on the other end of it and train an officer on on the

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challenges so there's so many different

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scenarios that can happen but we could

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have somebody that just dealt with a

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scenario last night and wants to

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simulate that in a virtual reality

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training that when you give these

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commands they're replicating what was

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given as a way to just you know train on

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different things because no two

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scenarios are ever the same

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thank you Mr chairman and again people

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have to be cognizant of keeping the back

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of your mind while we have to be talking

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about policing and Public Safety tonight

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this is applicable over a wide range of

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applications for training so it might be

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the paramedics could be the Bureau of

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service

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simulating just interactions with the

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public coming in and whether it might be

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in the city clerk's office or in finance

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or other areas so it's part of the

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transformation in how education is done

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not only we're looking in the city but

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in college platforms and schools and so

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that we're fortunate to have a local

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company to work with the chief has been

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a leader in terms of implementing this

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at the same time we're looking at those

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options down the road again to leverage

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that so that the headsets some of the

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equipment that may end up being

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purchased now through the police

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department again could be used in the

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fire department for other training

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opportunities

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any other questions or comments

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I also definitely thank you chief for

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the efforts that you and your department

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are making that broaden our awarenesses

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both as law enforcement professionals

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and as community members that we can

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truly work together so if there are no

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other questions or comments second what

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was your favorite all right thank you very much and the third item

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on the agenda is a college hearing to

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amend chapter of 186-16 in the city code

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fires and smoking prohibited and city

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parks exceptions injured thank you

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um obviously

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um the council knows that the use of

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marijuana and cabinet Canada products

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have been legalized and it's being

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regulated in the state of New York there

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are obviously a lot of restrictions that

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apply to the use of those products as

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well as tobacco products New York State

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amended public health law state law to

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prohibit smoking in public parks the

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enforcement of the state law however is

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left with the County Board of Health

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there is language in the public health

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law though that allows municipalities to

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adopt and enforce local laws to prohibit

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smoking and vaping for example that so

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long as they're consistent with the

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state laws currently city code

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186-16b states that no person shall

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smoke within city parks but we Define to

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smoke as being to burn a lighted cigar

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cigarette or pipe or to use any other

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matter or substance which contains

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tobacco so obviously it does not address

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because at the time it was enacted the

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legalization of marijuana and cannabis

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products and also electronic cigarettes

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so in order to be consistent with the

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restrictions of New York state public

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health law to give our local law

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enforcement the ability to enforce those

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rules and as opposed to relating of

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relying on the County Board of Health

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I'm looking to

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requesting a call for public hearing and

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as it relates to those definitions

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relying on the definitions provided in

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state law as opposed to creating our own

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definitions so that would consistent

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with New York state law

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thank you Mr chairman I guess the

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Corporation Council to put this on I had

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a complaint from a citizen who was so

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walking his dog that his name is Eric

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Clifford

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I wanted to follow up on your citizens

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complaint

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any other questions or comments and

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you're not going to get a motion so

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second all in favor

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for the policy Committee hearing on in

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the election for adjourn so second

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favorite

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thank you call to auto finance so the

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first item is authorization for the

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mayor to enter into an agreement with

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Community with all the fund or the

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capital regioning for two hundred

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thousand dollars for small business

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assistance program

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all right

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good evening

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um so we're just here completed our five

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day public comment period which was

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required under the CBG CD rules

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um we received no comments

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um so at this point in time we're just

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looking for authorization to enter

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contract with uh

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to for small business systems

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questions any questions

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Mr Gray the last time we did some

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allocation can you give us a little

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about did you receive any feedback from

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the community in terms of how the

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program rolled out and were there any

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coupling in terms of people not getting

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adequate funding

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um I mean the by environment programs

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people were happy to get the funding we

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provided them lastly we provided grants

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up to ten thousand dollars on we're

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going to discuss the The Loan Fund would

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make sense to restrict it to that limit

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this time or not

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um obviously there's plenty of

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businesses that would have liked and

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received more money and there wasn't

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enough money to go around to all

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businesses that requested money

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but overall the business that received

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it was well received it helped I think

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we assisted over 64 businesses

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go ahead so are you aware whether those

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businesses or those folks are still in

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business or how they're doing this point

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is there any level of process to the to

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the loans

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um we had been following up

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um I think much of that had been kind of

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done through Ron Garfield's office okay

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um I believe that the ones that I can

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think of off the top of my head that I

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know got the loans are by and large

385
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still in business and still operating

386
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yeah

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thank you

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okay so for small businesses have who

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have previously received a loan

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um what what that play into the

391
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determination of who was eligible for

392
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this time around and that effort to kind

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of like

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um Cast Away internet and have more

395
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people take advantage of it or is it

396
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just pretty much the urban thinking I

397
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mean that you're just going to kind of

398
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go in line with the same metric units

399
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last time

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um well so last time it was you couldn't

401
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have received other sources of funding

402
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okay so like we prioritize businesses

403
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that didn't get

404
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PPE money or other other sources of

405
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funding

406
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um this time I imagine how this kind of

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the same guidelines we would start

408
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probably with businesses that that

409
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didn't receive money last time

410
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um we haven't you know started

411
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soliciting businesses yet and Publishing

412
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a program so

413
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it was kind of hard to say who's going

414
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to reply but generally speaking we would

415
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start with people that didn't get it

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before

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um and then you know people still needed

418
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additional assistance we would look at

419
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those applications as well

420
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any other questions

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move it second all in favor all right

422
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thank you

423
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the next item is the higher ground

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Worship Center 8801 Stanley Street

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Louisville property tax inference and

426
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penalty

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so far

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good evening everyone good evening uh

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the corporation council's office was

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contacted by an attorney representing

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Higher Ground Worship Center their

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religious nonprofit corporation they

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purchased a property uh in 2008 which

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resulted in a lapse of their religious

435
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property tax exemption through March of

436
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the following year in 2009 this resulted

437
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in about a six thousand dollar tax

438
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liability in the corporation did not pay

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it so it was named and is now currently

440
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an interim tax Corp

441
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in order for the municipality to apply

442
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any kind of religious exemption

443
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retroactively would require State

444
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Legislative approval so rather than do

445
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this the corporation has opted to pay

446
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the back taxes but it now seeks a waiver

447
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of the interest and penalties which

448
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amounts to about 17

449
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000 eighteen thousand dollars from 2009

450
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to date and that would bring them

451
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current on their on their taxes and pull

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them out of the in-run

453
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um and they are fully tax exempt now

454
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they have been since 2009.

455
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questions

456
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,100
good thanks

457
00:22:08,100 --> 00:22:10,080
um in good faith and it shows up here on

458
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the next page of your packet

459
00:22:12,539 --> 00:22:15,059
um they have made a payment

460
00:22:15,059 --> 00:22:16,380
um recently

461
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um really it was last week I believe uh

462
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so they paid a substantial amount of the

463
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total amount of the

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um of the principal

465
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um obviously there's still some residual

466
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that they'll have to pay

467
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um you know unfortunately the state law

468
00:22:32,039 --> 00:22:34,620
that was enacted didn't cover this

469
00:22:34,620 --> 00:22:36,299
property it was not specific to this

470
00:22:36,299 --> 00:22:37,980
property it's one of those unfortunate

471
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things

472
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um so you know and this is not a

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property

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um that would if the city were to take

475
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in foreclosure it's not you know

476
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I want to say that there's no use for

477
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the property but I think it's better

478
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served with the church

479
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any other questions

480
00:23:00,419 --> 00:23:02,760
I'll move it second all in favor all

481
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,460
right thank you

482
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the next item is a location of

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additional American Rescue plan act

484
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funds for the construction of the

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Central Park Pool credit and Facilities

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uh

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okay Mr Wilson who is uh

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going to manage the project in San

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Antonio Associates

490
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Dan is here to answer questions go

491
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through the process how it got there the

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committing and

493
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do you want to take anything

494
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did you want to start since you guys

495
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were here from the beginning yeah

496
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all right here we are that microphone is

497
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for the people at home Pat all right in

498
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this week that's what I was going to say

499
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because I tend to project pretty well

500
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anyway how you folks doing

501
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um last time I was here we talked about

502
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a project I think it was in December of

503
00:24:09,260 --> 00:24:12,840
2021 uh the potential for Central Park

504
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Pool and we were looking at a concept

505
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that would be around five million

506
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,539
dollars so if you look at kind of where

507
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the renderings were land to where we are

508
00:24:23,940 --> 00:24:27,120
today there has been a lot of input from

509
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the community there was a committee that

510
00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:31,679
came on board looked for a number of

511
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additional improvements

512
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obviously we've been dealing with the

513
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construction costs so we built we ended

514
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up doing a design of something that was

515
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more significant than what we originally

516
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planned on but if you look at what we

517
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came up with it's really a benchmark

518
00:24:47,700 --> 00:24:49,799
project it's kind of a legacy project

519
00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:52,020
it's kind of a once in a generational

520
00:24:52,020 --> 00:24:55,140
thing and we were encouraged by the

521
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committee to make this somebody that

522
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would be generational not just a pool

523
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but really a destination so that's what

524
00:25:03,419 --> 00:25:05,400
we ended up with and then we went

525
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,679
through the process of putting it up to

526
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bid and we got bids back and there's a

527
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,880
number of challenges with respect to

528
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,280
Penny right now first of all there's a

529
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,260
number of issues with construction costs

530
00:25:16,260 --> 00:25:18,539
there's issues with respect to some of

531
00:25:18,539 --> 00:25:20,039
the requirements for the city which can

532
00:25:20,039 --> 00:25:22,320
be a challenge and is scared some

533
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,240
bidders away but we work very hard to

534
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,880
get bitters in and we ended up with bid

535
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,700
prices working with Tom and twna from

536
00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:33,720
Schenectady to get a project that we

537
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,340
could wrap our heads around that was I

538
00:25:35,340 --> 00:25:36,679
think around

539
00:25:36,679 --> 00:25:39,720
is it nine million dollars for the

540
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:46,620
contingencies yeah eight million yeah so the project has grown the project is

541
00:25:46,620 --> 00:25:48,779
bigger it's more exceptional than it was

542
00:25:48,779 --> 00:25:50,220
before

543
00:25:50,220 --> 00:25:52,260
um but the prices are what they are and

544
00:25:52,260 --> 00:25:54,659
I will tell you in the business of

545
00:25:54,659 --> 00:25:56,760
design and construction nothing is

546
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,799
coming in where it's under cost

547
00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:01,159
estimated so the challenge really is

548
00:26:01,159 --> 00:26:04,620
justifying where we are and we had a

549
00:26:04,620 --> 00:26:08,100
very highly credible uh bidders that

550
00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:10,260
were thoroughly vetted we came in we're

551
00:26:10,260 --> 00:26:11,640
very comfortable with where the prices

552
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,760
are Tom's company is uh absolutely

553
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,580
experts in this field of bid evaluation

554
00:26:17,580 --> 00:26:20,159
construction management so now we're

555
00:26:20,159 --> 00:26:22,200
standing here talking and we're glad to

556
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,740
address any questions that you have with

557
00:26:25,740 --> 00:26:27,900
respect to how we add to this point

558
00:26:27,900 --> 00:26:30,539
but we do have good costs that were

559
00:26:30,539 --> 00:26:33,299
higher than were anticipated however the

560
00:26:33,299 --> 00:26:35,580
project we discussed with you in

561
00:26:35,580 --> 00:26:39,240
December of 2021 is not the project we

562
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,580
have today it's bigger and frankly it's

563
00:26:41,580 --> 00:26:44,409
better

564
00:26:44,419 --> 00:26:47,039
any questions please you just mentioned

565
00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:48,960
the the new cause for the overall

566
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,179
project is just just over 8 million

567
00:26:51,179 --> 00:26:53,159
dollars yes and that's including a

568
00:26:53,159 --> 00:26:54,659
contingency

569
00:26:54,659 --> 00:26:57,720
at what percentage of contingency area 8

570
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,380
million twenty one thousand is the uh

571
00:27:00,380 --> 00:27:03,299
agricultural bids that came in and I

572
00:27:03,299 --> 00:27:04,980
think Chris put eight or eight percent

573
00:27:04,980 --> 00:27:07,679
on top of that he did put an eight

574
00:27:07,679 --> 00:27:11,340
percent containment but eight million 21

575
00:27:11,340 --> 00:27:15,419
000 plus 8 plus soft costs

576
00:27:15,419 --> 00:27:28,630
so

577
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,990
X

578
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:42,950
says yeah

579
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,760
um so thank you for for coming again

580
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,919
sure and I want you to know I know I'm

581
00:27:46,919 --> 00:27:48,299
fully supported the project but I have

582
00:27:48,299 --> 00:27:51,120
to tell you really shock that the Dublin

583
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:53,940
doubling price than what you originally

584
00:27:53,940 --> 00:27:57,240
um came with and you did mention that so

585
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,279
these are add-ons this is not that it's

586
00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:00,960
double enticed based on your original

587
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,480
design but because so many things were

588
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:09,480
added our there's there's actually three picks okay to add

589
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,299
into the cost First of all the scope was

590
00:28:12,299 --> 00:28:15,059
increased there were additions

591
00:28:15,059 --> 00:28:18,179
um and secondly the construction costs

592
00:28:18,179 --> 00:28:20,640
are highly volatile and third our

593
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,240
estimates are based on just you know

594
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,720
just no dealing with

595
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,380
um uh labor unions and any sort of any

596
00:28:31,380 --> 00:28:33,120
sort of challenges dealing with the city

597
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:36,000
of apprenticeship program stuff that

598
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,360
some some uh contractors don't have so

599
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,480
that is a challenge and so those things

600
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:43,740
added up

601
00:28:43,740 --> 00:28:46,500
and with inflation kind of got us to a

602
00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:47,820
million dollars

603
00:28:47,820 --> 00:28:50,580
but the scope is greater than it was

604
00:28:50,580 --> 00:28:54,730
previously

605
00:28:54,740 --> 00:28:57,840
do you find municipalities that just go

606
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,880
like kind of halfway or whatever or

607
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:01,500
sorry in the future that they really

608
00:29:01,500 --> 00:29:03,779
didn't put everything out there one time

609
00:29:03,779 --> 00:29:06,000
in one time only well I work I work

610
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,620
almost solely with municipalities

611
00:29:07,620 --> 00:29:11,279
throughout the state right and what we

612
00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:14,820
have done historically is when there's a

613
00:29:14,820 --> 00:29:16,919
hard cap in terms of spending you try to

614
00:29:16,919 --> 00:29:19,200
phase it unfortunately this project

615
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,640
doesn't

616
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,500
provide itself to be something that can

617
00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:25,559
be phased the the thing we do with our

618
00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:26,640
parks

619
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,720
is that the the the the investment in in

620
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,059
soft infrastructure like Parks always

621
00:29:33,059 --> 00:29:35,880
gets a very strong uh return on

622
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,820
investment between seven to one or nine

623
00:29:38,820 --> 00:29:41,340
to one is the return on investment with

624
00:29:41,340 --> 00:29:43,679
respect to people coming to the parks

625
00:29:43,679 --> 00:29:46,740
people tend not to regret the money

626
00:29:46,740 --> 00:29:48,899
that's been invested

627
00:29:48,899 --> 00:29:51,539
um you know we we we frankly did a

628
00:29:51,539 --> 00:29:53,760
project a few years ago in Amsterdam

629
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,700
which was a bridge uh pedestrian bridge

630
00:29:56,700 --> 00:29:58,679
over the river which no one could

631
00:29:58,679 --> 00:30:01,380
understand why it was there it gets a

632
00:30:01,380 --> 00:30:04,380
quarter of a million people a year now

633
00:30:04,380 --> 00:30:08,039
so you know if if I were to you know I

634
00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:09,899
recommend it to every one of our

635
00:30:09,899 --> 00:30:12,059
Municipal clients when the Arca funding

636
00:30:12,059 --> 00:30:14,399
became available to go for it because

637
00:30:14,399 --> 00:30:17,460
this opportunity is generational and the

638
00:30:17,460 --> 00:30:19,860
cost is greater but it is going to have

639
00:30:19,860 --> 00:30:22,440
an even greater impact on the community

640
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,720
with the final result thank you we're

641
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,779
very proud of this side yeah

642
00:30:27,779 --> 00:30:30,419
go ahead please I just want to say I'm

643
00:30:30,419 --> 00:30:32,220
very supportive of this project I think

644
00:30:32,220 --> 00:30:37,740
that the expanded scope also I think in terms because of some of the meetings

645
00:30:37,740 --> 00:30:40,559
I mean multiple meetings which such a

646
00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:42,600
large group of community members were

647
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,419
able to voice what they wanted to see as

648
00:30:45,419 --> 00:30:47,760
part of this project but the project I

649
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,740
was going to say Legacy as well

650
00:30:49,740 --> 00:30:52,080
um but the project just in terms of the

651
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,279
numbers of Youth served by this by this

652
00:30:56,279 --> 00:30:57,539
project are just going to be

653
00:30:57,539 --> 00:30:59,640
astronomical especially over Generations

654
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,240
as well as the youth that we employ to

655
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,740
not only the youth that will take

656
00:31:04,740 --> 00:31:07,559
advantage of the pool but the youth that

657
00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:11,580
we employ but the other parts of it the

658
00:31:11,580 --> 00:31:14,399
road work the parking all those other

659
00:31:14,399 --> 00:31:16,980
aspects are going to only enhance what

660
00:31:16,980 --> 00:31:18,720
already is considered a jewel of our

661
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,720
city in terms of how it will assist the

662
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,240
other parts of the park like the tennis

663
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,460
courts like music Haven

664
00:31:26,460 --> 00:31:27,720
um you know the other the other ass

665
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,360
aspects of everything that so many

666
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,460
people throughout the city well you

667
00:31:32,460 --> 00:31:34,980
enjoy you know I I have two responses to

668
00:31:34,980 --> 00:31:37,440
that first of all our most successful

669
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,360
parks are the ones in which the

670
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,120
community is very actively engaged and

671
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,520
this committee was very actively engaged

672
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,620
we met for a number of months on this

673
00:31:46,620 --> 00:31:49,080
and they're kept being things added you

674
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,760
know we didn't originally plan on having

675
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,520
a hill removed but now you go up there

676
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,440
and you go up to Central Park and you

677
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,779
look and you go oh you can see a diamond

678
00:31:57,779 --> 00:31:59,580
in the background boy that's beautiful I

679
00:31:59,580 --> 00:32:02,279
didn't realize that was there it helps

680
00:32:02,279 --> 00:32:05,399
connect that part there's there's so

681
00:32:05,399 --> 00:32:07,200
many pieces to that Park that people

682
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,299
aren't aware of this helps just bring

683
00:32:09,299 --> 00:32:11,100
people there and get a greater

684
00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:14,580
understanding of the other elements and

685
00:32:14,580 --> 00:32:16,740
uh activities that are available at the

686
00:32:16,740 --> 00:32:18,360
park and I think this is kind of like

687
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,940
the launching point for the park to be

688
00:32:20,940 --> 00:32:27,179
even more than it currently is and the the second thing I would say is you

689
00:32:27,179 --> 00:32:31,200
know it's just the the opportunity to do

690
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,360
a project like this is just it's just

691
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,419
really special and and I think this is

692
00:32:36,419 --> 00:32:38,399
something that can be generational in

693
00:32:38,399 --> 00:32:40,740
terms of the impact on the community and

694
00:32:40,740 --> 00:32:41,940
the youth in that in this community

695
00:32:41,940 --> 00:32:45,419
particularly in that area

696
00:32:45,419 --> 00:32:47,159
so you didn't mention about Community

697
00:32:47,159 --> 00:32:50,580
inputs or it is a individual community

698
00:32:50,580 --> 00:32:52,799
members or organizations within our

699
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:56,179
community I have both it was

700
00:32:56,179 --> 00:32:58,940
a son

701
00:32:58,940 --> 00:33:01,860
the uh

702
00:33:01,860 --> 00:33:04,520
Woodlawn preserve and stuff that were

703
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,980
Boys and Girls Club to manage it uh

704
00:33:07,980 --> 00:33:11,279
trying to think who else was there music

705
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:18,260
Haven yes Representatives the greenhouse is there yeah

706
00:33:18,260 --> 00:33:21,419
we also have the uh the folks with the

707
00:33:21,419 --> 00:33:23,179
uh the disc golf

708
00:33:23,179 --> 00:33:25,860
they were they were Parkers are in the

709
00:33:25,860 --> 00:33:28,200
whole two holes with one hole was

710
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,480
relocated there's a few that are going

711
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,940
to be impacted but fortunately they were

712
00:33:32,940 --> 00:33:37,019
great to work with and frankly the the

713
00:33:37,019 --> 00:33:38,700
um the the person that was participating

714
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:40,620
from the boys and girls club was of

715
00:33:40,620 --> 00:33:42,419
Great Value because we were looking to

716
00:33:42,419 --> 00:33:44,340
put these these uh

717
00:33:44,340 --> 00:33:46,500
make it so it's user friendly for all

718
00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:48,360
the programs

719
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,940
um that they have and so that's where we

720
00:33:50,940 --> 00:33:55,570
ended up with the ultimate design

721
00:33:55,580 --> 00:33:58,860
I think I think if I'm speaking myself

722
00:33:58,860 --> 00:34:00,480
as people I think all of those support

723
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,059
can you fooled in Central Park Islam

724
00:34:03,059 --> 00:34:04,860
with a Jew but the thing that is uh

725
00:34:04,860 --> 00:34:06,960
getting us here today is the hard

726
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,500
question of moving from 5 million to

727
00:34:09,500 --> 00:34:11,580
10.1 million

728
00:34:11,580 --> 00:34:13,919
it's still originally we are allocated

729
00:34:13,919 --> 00:34:15,179
five million dollars a month we're

730
00:34:15,179 --> 00:34:18,000
asking for 10.1 million so those are the

731
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,320
hard questions I ask in you and your

732
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:20,580
hair to answer those questions but

733
00:34:20,580 --> 00:34:22,020
that's right my final question of that

734
00:34:22,020 --> 00:34:24,119
is if we were to proceed with this

735
00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:26,040
project can you give us a breakdown of

736
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,080
the timeline the project timeline

737
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,480
well I think I think Tom you might be

738
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:31,740
the person to answer that I mean

739
00:34:31,740 --> 00:34:36,300
probably yeah it doesn't uh we would if

740
00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:38,879
we awarded contracts we'd start as soon

741
00:34:38,879 --> 00:34:40,679
as possible the weather breaks these

742
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:42,240
guys are ready to go

743
00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:44,399
um I think the contract I think it's end

744
00:34:44,399 --> 00:34:46,679
of September is when uh looks like it

745
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:48,240
would be complete and we don't see a

746
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:50,159
problem with that completed in September

747
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:57,910
of this year yes

748
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,329
foreign

749
00:35:01,339 --> 00:35:03,960
closing down the old pool what happens

750
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,040
with that

751
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,440
well that hasn't been addressed oh thank

752
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,619
you yeah thank you thank you that has

753
00:35:10,619 --> 00:35:12,359
not been addressed the closing down in

754
00:35:12,359 --> 00:35:14,760
the old rule right now the ECU will love

755
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,040
it but I mean looking at a future use of

756
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,079
it there's a lot of potential things

757
00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:21,599
that could be done in that space and it

758
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:23,579
could be taking back some of it to help

759
00:35:23,579 --> 00:35:25,920
crew you know have have a more

760
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,440
Consolidated Iroquois Lake and kind of a

761
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,420
Great Lawn there there's a lot of ideas

762
00:35:30,420 --> 00:35:32,640
but but then again ma'am that that

763
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,220
involves going back to you know a

764
00:35:35,220 --> 00:35:37,440
committee getting Community input what

765
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,900
the city wants the most successful

766
00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:42,119
projects we've ever worked on are the

767
00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:43,800
ones in which the city is actively

768
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,660
involved in the programming

769
00:35:45,660 --> 00:35:48,300
well I would 100 agree with that and so

770
00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:49,320
the reason we're asking all these

771
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,119
questions we weren't apprised of all the

772
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:54,320
additions that you're talking about

773
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,880
to us you know so that's why you know

774
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,460
you're asking me here tonight so there

775
00:35:59,460 --> 00:36:00,839
would be an additional cost to do the

776
00:36:00,839 --> 00:36:02,820
work around the old pool so that's not

777
00:36:02,820 --> 00:36:04,740
included in this class so if we that's

778
00:36:04,740 --> 00:36:06,359
what we want to do with the opal then

779
00:36:06,359 --> 00:36:08,040
we're going to invert more costs that is

780
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,660
correct okay

781
00:36:09,660 --> 00:36:11,880
um so in terms of the things that were

782
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,500
added

783
00:36:13,500 --> 00:36:15,540
is there anything if like I know there

784
00:36:15,540 --> 00:36:17,220
was a wish list clearly from the

785
00:36:17,220 --> 00:36:18,660
committee who said like let's just give

786
00:36:18,660 --> 00:36:20,700
everything Bells whistles and then bells

787
00:36:20,700 --> 00:36:23,880
on top of the whistles so if if they're

788
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,160
realistically is there anything that we

789
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,780
could really have done about and still

790
00:36:27,780 --> 00:36:30,839
make this a state-of-the-art project

791
00:36:30,839 --> 00:36:35,400
I I think hindsight is always 20 20.

792
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,820
um but where the design is now if

793
00:36:38,820 --> 00:36:40,980
anything were to be pulled out in a

794
00:36:40,980 --> 00:36:43,380
redesigned to occur it would probably

795
00:36:43,380 --> 00:36:45,480
take up half of that cost for the

796
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,060
redesign and then if you look at that

797
00:36:48,060 --> 00:36:51,660
cost in 20 it's as opposed to 2023 if

798
00:36:51,660 --> 00:36:54,300
the construction is done in 2024 you

799
00:36:54,300 --> 00:36:56,160
might have you you might lose the rest

800
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,980
of that benefit so the way construction

801
00:36:58,980 --> 00:37:02,460
costs are moving I think it's best I I

802
00:37:02,460 --> 00:37:04,079
think it's probably the wisest decision

803
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:06,660
for the committee to to go forward with

804
00:37:06,660 --> 00:37:09,560
this rather than to agreement

805
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,180
and

806
00:37:11,180 --> 00:37:14,520
part of the challenges the bidding

807
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,619
environment how the market is right now

808
00:37:16,619 --> 00:37:18,960
and in order to do a substantial

809
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,720
redesign you'd probably have to go up a

810
00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:24,240
bit you you'd be looking and re-bidding

811
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:25,400
it

812
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,960
when you rebid it it all starts over

813
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,460
again everybody's seen everybody's

814
00:37:29,460 --> 00:37:32,520
number if you I'm making things up if

815
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,000
you want to pull 250 000 out of removing

816
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,040
something well you got to design what

817
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,020
goes back number one

818
00:37:40,020 --> 00:37:43,260
number two we right now have the GC

819
00:37:43,260 --> 00:37:44,760
complaining because they're having a

820
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,320
hard time holding their structural steel

821
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,200
numbers it's very volatile very volatile

822
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,660
I cannot stand here and say if you pull

823
00:37:51,660 --> 00:37:54,359
250 000 out you go out to rebid in four

824
00:37:54,359 --> 00:37:57,060
or five months it won't come in more and

825
00:37:57,060 --> 00:37:58,579
you've lost

826
00:37:58,579 --> 00:38:02,460
so we had a project in Albany last year

827
00:38:02,460 --> 00:38:05,220
the guy asked me you know what what is

828
00:38:05,220 --> 00:38:07,380
your advice on a fitting strategy I said

829
00:38:07,380 --> 00:38:10,020
well my crystal ball says bid it as soon

830
00:38:10,020 --> 00:38:12,480
as you possibly can and get your bids in

831
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,940
so that if worse comes worse you can bid

832
00:38:14,940 --> 00:38:17,579
it twice which you do not want to do in

833
00:38:17,579 --> 00:38:19,920
this environment from our perspective so

834
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,260
that that's my concern and the other and

835
00:38:22,260 --> 00:38:24,720
when when you re-bid you have to you

836
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:27,180
know as I said the numbers are out there

837
00:38:27,180 --> 00:38:29,940
it I stopped a long time ago trying to

838
00:38:29,940 --> 00:38:32,400
decide what everybody else's strategy is

839
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,619
going to be but I know crazy things will

840
00:38:34,619 --> 00:38:37,920
happen so we uh and I'll say here

841
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,619
um we stand before you with some some of

842
00:38:40,619 --> 00:38:43,920
the the best contractors that we have

843
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,720
worked with we worked with jerson on the

844
00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:48,540
pump station I personally worked with

845
00:38:48,540 --> 00:38:50,339
jerson on the uh

846
00:38:50,339 --> 00:38:52,920
I'm very Services 25 million the head of

847
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,720
schedule under budget we work we know

848
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:56,400
those guys

849
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,099
um and and all the other there's the RMB

850
00:38:59,099 --> 00:39:02,520
and I think O'Connell electric Rock

851
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:03,839
Solid guys

852
00:39:03,839 --> 00:39:06,420
so we're

853
00:39:06,420 --> 00:39:08,820
sort of comfortable ready to go we

854
00:39:08,820 --> 00:39:11,220
understand the questions and completely

855
00:39:11,220 --> 00:39:12,260
get it

856
00:39:12,260 --> 00:39:15,599
but there's a catch every time you want

857
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:17,460
to Ravel you start to pull the string

858
00:39:17,460 --> 00:39:20,220
you know so I agree with any other any

859
00:39:20,220 --> 00:39:21,420
other question yeah the mayor said

860
00:39:21,420 --> 00:39:22,859
something about um you would explain

861
00:39:22,859 --> 00:39:25,560
about concrete and that was one of the

862
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,160
reasons that's a cost increased yes it's

863
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,020
um Let me let me address that that's one

864
00:39:31,020 --> 00:39:32,460
of

865
00:39:32,460 --> 00:39:34,560
and I have a Mark here there's probably

866
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,200
one of nine things that were more than

867
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:42,300
20 off I think concrete's gone up it I'm

868
00:39:42,300 --> 00:39:44,280
gonna say 30 to 40 percent in the last

869
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,560
six to seven months the Northeast has

870
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,720
hit harder than a lot of the other parts

871
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:50,520
of the country

872
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:54,079
um we know that polypropylene adhesives

873
00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:59,339
uh any any uh the iso insulation goes on

874
00:39:59,339 --> 00:40:03,119
the roofs is up gypsum is way up

875
00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:06,480
um steel right now is sort of I can't

876
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,099
say it's stabilized but it's it's

877
00:40:08,099 --> 00:40:10,020
volatile in terms of then they're

878
00:40:10,020 --> 00:40:12,180
complaining that they they're concerned

879
00:40:12,180 --> 00:40:13,680
about getting the steel and they're

880
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,320
pushing us right now like we're counting

881
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,480
the days for the award and those you

882
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,880
know they got 45 days for the award

883
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,560
we're going to get a phone call is this

884
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,839
a go or not because they got the steel

885
00:40:24,839 --> 00:40:27,540
guys pressure in them so concrete is

886
00:40:27,540 --> 00:40:30,720
absolutely up uh asphalt last year went

887
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:32,280
up 10 percent we expected to go to

888
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,380
another again another time

889
00:40:34,380 --> 00:40:37,020
now um You said like this is really

890
00:40:37,020 --> 00:40:39,599
fancy and all this so are we using are

891
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:41,400
we using concrete that's like above and

892
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:42,780
beyond normal concrete are we going with

893
00:40:42,780 --> 00:40:44,460
any of that colored stuff and all of

894
00:40:44,460 --> 00:40:47,400
that and does that include the car yes

895
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,980
that's uh I think I think we have blue

896
00:40:49,980 --> 00:40:52,320
some some colored concrete especially

897
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,900
the splash the splash pad area it's not

898
00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:57,720
a colored concrete is not cheaper it's

899
00:40:57,720 --> 00:40:59,099
included

900
00:40:59,099 --> 00:41:01,619
um that is something you you could you

901
00:41:01,619 --> 00:41:03,420
could turn it off and not do it without

902
00:41:03,420 --> 00:41:07,260
probably rebidding um you might be you

903
00:41:07,260 --> 00:41:09,119
might save twenty thousand dollars

904
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:12,119
it's not it's not a wholesale change but

905
00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:13,440
it you know it goes in the right

906
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,119
direction that's for sure if that's the

907
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:16,200
concern

908
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:17,460
but

909
00:41:17,460 --> 00:41:19,320
the blue concrete is also part of the

910
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,000
design that matches the tile on the

911
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,820
outside it's sort of cool but you know

912
00:41:23,820 --> 00:41:24,780
those

913
00:41:24,780 --> 00:41:26,400
absolutely something that could be like

914
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:27,960
I said the only thing I would add to

915
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,560
what Tom says you know in this business

916
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,780
when when like the stimulus funding

917
00:41:33,780 --> 00:41:35,760
started coming out we kept looking for a

918
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,920
point where it was going to add

919
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,680
and it was like okay hold on you know

920
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,220
hold your money spend it now you're

921
00:41:44,220 --> 00:41:45,540
going to be able to get more bang for

922
00:41:45,540 --> 00:41:47,280
your buck we're not seeing the drop off

923
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,400
in the construction industry there is so

924
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,260
much public money funding these projects

925
00:41:52,260 --> 00:41:54,420
unfortunately we don't we don't see it

926
00:41:54,420 --> 00:41:55,619
dipping

927
00:41:55,619 --> 00:41:57,300
um probably it's as strong as I've ever

928
00:41:57,300 --> 00:41:59,339
seen the market I know we're as busy as

929
00:41:59,339 --> 00:42:01,680
we've ever have been

930
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,900
um Our advice to our Municipal clients

931
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:05,940
is try to get the project you can right

932
00:42:05,940 --> 00:42:08,099
now and move forward because we don't

933
00:42:08,099 --> 00:42:09,540
know what next year is going to be like

934
00:42:09,540 --> 00:42:13,619
and and I'm sorry go ahead

935
00:42:13,619 --> 00:42:15,599
I was just I was just going to say that

936
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:17,940
to piggyback on to what what Dan just

937
00:42:17,940 --> 00:42:20,820
said it's um

938
00:42:20,820 --> 00:42:22,800
the guys are generally a big picture

939
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,900
we're commercial construction managers

940
00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:27,480
we we operate in Albany Schenectady

941
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,240
manly a few other places

942
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:32,520
um guys are loading up on Municipal work

943
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,619
the private work they're they're not

944
00:42:34,619 --> 00:42:36,359
hanging their head on so much because

945
00:42:36,359 --> 00:42:38,339
it's that's a little shaky as as

946
00:42:38,339 --> 00:42:40,020
everybody knows with the economy where

947
00:42:40,020 --> 00:42:42,000
it's heading so these got you know it's

948
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,460
not their first clam bag they know that

949
00:42:44,460 --> 00:42:45,839
they want to load up on middle school

950
00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:47,520
work and that's what that's what people

951
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,920
are doing so the concern I have big

952
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,020
picture not for this project for other

953
00:42:52,020 --> 00:42:53,640
projects we have other public bids

954
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,280
coming up and that is get your beds in

955
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,200
get it done because then these guys stop

956
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,079
bidding and you're only as strong as

957
00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:03,060
your week you know your your bidders

958
00:43:03,060 --> 00:43:05,690
list really

959
00:43:05,700 --> 00:43:07,680
So to that very point I don't want to

960
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,599
speak lightly of it and growing up as a

961
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:11,460
kid and we'd get x amount of money to go

962
00:43:11,460 --> 00:43:13,020
to McDonald's and my mom would say you

963
00:43:13,020 --> 00:43:15,180
can get whatever you want as long as it

964
00:43:15,180 --> 00:43:17,339
doesn't go over this dollar amount so I

965
00:43:17,339 --> 00:43:19,980
understand the the consists with trying

966
00:43:19,980 --> 00:43:22,319
to make sure we maximize uh the

967
00:43:22,319 --> 00:43:24,480
potential for this pool area my biggest

968
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,119
concern is truly if we are trying to

969
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:29,640
stretch this arpa funding

970
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,180
how much rest of the project exists

971
00:43:32,180 --> 00:43:34,740
because it'll be nice to have a very

972
00:43:34,740 --> 00:43:37,200
lavishing pool area but if we want to

973
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,839
still have this other unfinished uh pool

974
00:43:39,839 --> 00:43:41,579
that's just sitting if we have this

975
00:43:41,579 --> 00:43:43,260
casino building that still needs to be

976
00:43:43,260 --> 00:43:46,079
renovated if the pathways and paveways

977
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:48,060
still need to be addressed what is going

978
00:43:48,060 --> 00:43:50,760
to be left that we are now responsible

979
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,980
because we have invested this much money

980
00:43:52,980 --> 00:43:55,560
into to complete or we're just going to

981
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,599
have a half project well I can't I can't

982
00:43:57,599 --> 00:43:59,940
speak on the city's budget okay what's

983
00:43:59,940 --> 00:44:00,960
playing

984
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,819
um but uh but there's there's always

985
00:44:02,819 --> 00:44:05,220
opportunities for grant funding that's

986
00:44:05,220 --> 00:44:07,380
right um and because we work with a lot

987
00:44:07,380 --> 00:44:09,480
of communities with respect to exactly

988
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,420
that doing doing those you know you can

989
00:44:12,420 --> 00:44:14,099
deal with though you can deal with

990
00:44:14,099 --> 00:44:16,980
oprhp with respect to Grants for the

991
00:44:16,980 --> 00:44:19,619
casino building you can look with DEC

992
00:44:19,619 --> 00:44:22,260
with respect to potential grants for

993
00:44:22,260 --> 00:44:25,079
repurposing Iroquois Lake In The Swim

994
00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:27,619
area I think the things are to remember

995
00:44:27,619 --> 00:44:30,420
about what's the central our goal is

996
00:44:30,420 --> 00:44:32,819
going to be is it's going to be a

997
00:44:32,819 --> 00:44:34,800
destination which is a good thing

998
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,680
because the more people you come have

999
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,780
coming to that area the more interest

1000
00:44:39,780 --> 00:44:41,579
you're going to get in Central Park Pool

1001
00:44:41,579 --> 00:44:43,859
in the ear it is for you to get

1002
00:44:43,859 --> 00:44:45,480
additional monies for additional

1003
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:52,210
projects at Central apartments

1004
00:44:52,220 --> 00:44:54,960
so pick back on your question and just

1005
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,760
follow up on that when we were having

1006
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,260
all these discussion with these

1007
00:44:58,260 --> 00:45:00,359
community members and organizations did

1008
00:45:00,359 --> 00:45:02,520
we let them know that we have a budget

1009
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,349
of five million dollars

1010
00:45:06,359 --> 00:45:09,839
no because we didn't go back to that

1011
00:45:09,839 --> 00:45:11,880
original number until most of this work

1012
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,940
had been put in place

1013
00:45:14,940 --> 00:45:18,180
and In fairness you don't know what the

1014
00:45:18,180 --> 00:45:20,400
number is until you get all the input

1015
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,500
and then you put the design together

1016
00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:25,140
so you didn't we didn't know that said

1017
00:45:25,140 --> 00:45:27,720
okay that gets us to you and that's the

1018
00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:29,900
term we call Value imaginary

1019
00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:32,700
and what we wanted to do is put all the

1020
00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:34,920
pieces in and then kind of see where we

1021
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,960
were with respect to the original

1022
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,420
guideline of five million dollars but as

1023
00:45:39,420 --> 00:45:42,839
you can see it's it's more of a project

1024
00:45:42,839 --> 00:45:44,579
than it was when we were talking about

1025
00:45:44,579 --> 00:45:46,740
it as a five million dollar project no

1026
00:45:46,740 --> 00:45:48,180
understand understand what you're saying

1027
00:45:48,180 --> 00:45:50,579
there but at Highland we we take all the

1028
00:45:50,579 --> 00:45:52,319
information we take all the input from

1029
00:45:52,319 --> 00:45:54,060
the community we put them together in a

1030
00:45:54,060 --> 00:45:56,579
drawing we take it back to them and we

1031
00:45:56,579 --> 00:45:58,380
say okay this is going to cost 10

1032
00:45:58,380 --> 00:46:00,060
million I'll instead of 5 million

1033
00:46:00,060 --> 00:46:00,839
dollars

1034
00:46:00,839 --> 00:46:03,660
Where Do We Stand do we just go over the

1035
00:46:03,660 --> 00:46:06,180
community input rather than us coming to

1036
00:46:06,180 --> 00:46:08,280
a compromise and a solution to say we

1037
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,380
have five million dollars or we're just

1038
00:46:10,380 --> 00:46:12,060
going to go ahead regardless and spend

1039
00:46:12,060 --> 00:46:14,880
10.1 million dollars no I respect your

1040
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,640
possession it's I absolutely do because

1041
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,920
it's like we got the community in but

1042
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,900
this is where the dollar is and you

1043
00:46:21,900 --> 00:46:24,119
folks have to make the decision and you

1044
00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:25,800
know it's not an easy decision and we

1045
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,510
respect that

1046
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:30,960
yeah

1047
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,020
go ahead decide so you say uh I don't

1048
00:46:34,020 --> 00:46:35,040
know whether you're able to speak to

1049
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,380
this what portion of the entire Central

1050
00:46:37,380 --> 00:46:41,579
Park uh redesign will be remaining after

1051
00:46:41,579 --> 00:46:43,020
we address this pool area in our

1052
00:46:43,020 --> 00:46:44,240
facilities

1053
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:47,520
well a lot of items of connectivity are

1054
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,040
addressed because there's a new road to

1055
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,380
access ways and stuff so you're really

1056
00:46:52,380 --> 00:46:54,720
improving the connectivity of Central

1057
00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:56,640
Park just by putting this part in place

1058
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,220
it's not the end at all right there's a

1059
00:46:59,220 --> 00:47:01,260
number of descending projects that will

1060
00:47:01,260 --> 00:47:02,940
come from us none of them are going to

1061
00:47:02,940 --> 00:47:06,839
be eight million dollars but there's a number of other projects which

1062
00:47:06,839 --> 00:47:09,359
would probably be very manageable chunks

1063
00:47:09,359 --> 00:47:13,440
to get funding for them changing for for

1064
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,260
kind of so it's set up

1065
00:47:15,260 --> 00:47:18,060
oh absolutely yeah that's the one nice

1066
00:47:18,060 --> 00:47:22,079
thing about this the pool is it it's it

1067
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:24,960
also addresses the need for you know

1068
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,420
locker rooms and restrooms for the

1069
00:47:27,420 --> 00:47:30,540
tennis courts which was good I hate a

1070
00:47:30,540 --> 00:47:31,680
lot of use

1071
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,359
and if you had to put a number to that

1072
00:47:33,359 --> 00:47:35,220
would you say that's 10 would you say

1073
00:47:35,220 --> 00:47:37,020
that's 30 remaining

1074
00:47:37,020 --> 00:47:40,319
oh in terms of the other pieces versus

1075
00:47:40,319 --> 00:47:42,119
well you know a lot of that depends on

1076
00:47:42,119 --> 00:47:44,940
what you want because we don't have a

1077
00:47:44,940 --> 00:47:48,540
broad master plan for everything to be

1078
00:47:48,540 --> 00:47:51,060
done at the park because you you can put

1079
00:47:51,060 --> 00:47:53,520
a broad concept together but then you

1080
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:54,960
want to look at these things piece by

1081
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,760
piece in terms of what does the

1082
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,920
community want here do you want an area

1083
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,260
for picnics do you want more playground

1084
00:48:01,260 --> 00:48:04,260
area do you you know do you want more

1085
00:48:04,260 --> 00:48:06,839
pickleball do you want other things do

1086
00:48:06,839 --> 00:48:09,180
you want a skating area tough to tough

1087
00:48:09,180 --> 00:48:12,000
to do this year but those those sorts of

1088
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,980
things it has to be addressed that way

1089
00:48:13,980 --> 00:48:16,680
to kind of do a piecemeal once you have

1090
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,180
the infrastructure in place but we

1091
00:48:18,180 --> 00:48:20,280
really think having another destination

1092
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,339
at the for the as the pool which can

1093
00:48:23,339 --> 00:48:26,640
also serve to benefit the tennis court

1094
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,640
area is going to help activate that

1095
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,980
whole area and I think that you

1096
00:48:31,980 --> 00:48:33,839
cued in on one of the important aspects

1097
00:48:33,839 --> 00:48:36,540
of limiting scope expansion for that

1098
00:48:36,540 --> 00:48:38,339
very reason we can have whatever we can

1099
00:48:38,339 --> 00:48:41,520
afford to pay for and absolutely I think

1100
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,040
and making sure this resource reaches as

1101
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,440
many people as possible or visitors and

1102
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,960
patrons absolutely but we want to make

1103
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,700
sure we're not overspending in this one

1104
00:48:50,700 --> 00:48:52,619
area and then we're having to schedule

1105
00:48:52,619 --> 00:48:55,079
them to get things included on the back

1106
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:59,819
I I really appreciate the position but I can tell you frankly from my

1107
00:48:59,819 --> 00:49:01,079
experience working with parks and

1108
00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:02,160
communities

1109
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,819
I have never heard a client or a

1110
00:49:05,819 --> 00:49:07,920
community complain that too much was

1111
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,920
spent they often lament the fact that

1112
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,500
not enough was wish we didn't cut this

1113
00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:15,240
corner here wish we didn't do that

1114
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:18,300
that's that's just I've been looking

1115
00:49:18,300 --> 00:49:21,000
back at hindsight I've seen that a lot

1116
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,680
thank you

1117
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,980
hey Mr chairman to begin we have

1118
00:49:25,980 --> 00:49:28,380
taking these components if you look at

1119
00:49:28,380 --> 00:49:31,079
adion which you know like a few years it

1120
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:33,500
was an embarrassment dirtfield

1121
00:49:33,500 --> 00:49:36,839
systematically lined up the money and I

1122
00:49:36,839 --> 00:49:38,160
will tell you I'll take most of the

1123
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,319
credit for putting that in place and

1124
00:49:40,319 --> 00:49:42,060
making it happen

1125
00:49:42,060 --> 00:49:44,160
you look at the upgrades we've done in

1126
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,440
the music Haven you look at the upgrades

1127
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,319
that we've done at the golf course these

1128
00:49:49,319 --> 00:49:51,900
are not routine Municipal facilities

1129
00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:55,079
anymore they are entities that the

1130
00:49:55,079 --> 00:49:57,599
region looks at you look at the

1131
00:49:57,599 --> 00:49:59,780
volunteers that go into the Rose Garden

1132
00:49:59,780 --> 00:50:01,800
you look at the activity that's

1133
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,020
happening at the greenhouse we're

1134
00:50:04,020 --> 00:50:06,359
setting the standards of things that are

1135
00:50:06,359 --> 00:50:08,220
happening within this community and

1136
00:50:08,220 --> 00:50:10,380
within the region and this swimming

1137
00:50:10,380 --> 00:50:15,730
facility is going to complement that

1138
00:50:15,740 --> 00:50:18,240
you you mentioned earlier about Brands

1139
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:20,760
this project might be prime for friends

1140
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,859
is that something that you can help the

1141
00:50:22,859 --> 00:50:25,200
city oh absolutely I don't know if the

1142
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,180
city needs our help the city the city is

1143
00:50:27,180 --> 00:50:32,099
very good at doing these things but we really enjoy the relationship we've

1144
00:50:32,099 --> 00:50:33,480
worked with the city on a number of

1145
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,700
projects over the last time you will

1146
00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:37,680
engage with us we absolutely can support

1147
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:42,309
that in any way

1148
00:50:42,319 --> 00:50:45,060
so um one of you mentioned the soft

1149
00:50:45,060 --> 00:51:00,589
costs that weren't in there before

1150
00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:03,599
um my other question is there's clearly

1151
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:04,800
going to be a lot of work that you've

1152
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,859
done here you you've um accepted bids

1153
00:51:07,859 --> 00:51:09,900
from the various contractors

1154
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:14,040
in terms of your mwbe participation

1155
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:15,660
what are your guidelines on that and

1156
00:51:15,660 --> 00:51:17,280
where are you with that

1157
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,160
um it was it was part of mid package in

1158
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,200
terms of the requirements each of the

1159
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,540
contractors filled it out I I don't I

1160
00:51:24,540 --> 00:51:26,220
can't recall the percentage off the top

1161
00:51:26,220 --> 00:51:27,839
of my head but we did have a

1162
00:51:27,839 --> 00:51:30,119
conversation with um the main contractor

1163
00:51:30,119 --> 00:51:34,619
jerson and Ron and Ron was working with

1164
00:51:34,619 --> 00:51:36,359
these guys in the past again on the pump

1165
00:51:36,359 --> 00:51:39,720
station and uh

1166
00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:42,300
I again I don't know the percentages but

1167
00:51:42,300 --> 00:51:44,520
they should be in the package

1168
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,140
um each of these guys are required to

1169
00:51:46,140 --> 00:51:48,240
fill it out I think Jersey I I don't

1170
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:49,859
want to quote numbers because I I've got

1171
00:51:49,859 --> 00:51:50,760
a

1172
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,020
contract because I'm dealing with these

1173
00:51:52,020 --> 00:51:53,520
days so

1174
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,740
um but they filled it out and it was

1175
00:51:55,740 --> 00:51:58,200
part of the bid package just like the um

1176
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,910
just like their number again

1177
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,920
so um Mr Wellington put in contingency

1178
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,020
for changeovers at eight percent which

1179
00:52:07,020 --> 00:52:12,079
was a 641 680. so

1180
00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:16,079
you know we've already double the price

1181
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:17,880
we I think what we're looking for is an

1182
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,680
assurance that it's not going to now

1183
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,849
increase more

1184
00:52:22,859 --> 00:52:25,319
my crystal ball

1185
00:52:25,319 --> 00:52:30,890
um so so let's recruit the the

1186
00:52:30,900 --> 00:52:34,140
project 100 design

1187
00:52:34,140 --> 00:52:37,440
you could you could go in with a

1188
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,839
slightly lower contingency that would be

1189
00:52:39,839 --> 00:52:42,440
comfortable however this is a big

1190
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,240
earthworm project it's as soon as you

1191
00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:46,980
start talking about earthwork there's no

1192
00:52:46,980 --> 00:52:48,839
drawing that shows where the rocks are

1193
00:52:48,839 --> 00:52:51,359
buried and you can't do borings every

1194
00:52:51,359 --> 00:52:54,180
two feet to a triple A you know exactly

1195
00:52:54,180 --> 00:52:55,740
what's going on so because it's a big

1196
00:52:55,740 --> 00:52:57,300
earthwork project

1197
00:52:57,300 --> 00:52:59,819
I I leaned towards and I was part of the

1198
00:52:59,819 --> 00:53:02,099
eight percent decision in that session

1199
00:53:02,099 --> 00:53:04,200
but discussion and she said it's Chris's

1200
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:05,400
decision

1201
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:06,599
um

1202
00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:08,280
I'm very comfortable the eight percent

1203
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:12,240
now now if it was

1204
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:14,460
if the substrata wasn't really

1205
00:53:14,460 --> 00:53:18,119
understood I'd be I'd be a little more

1206
00:53:18,119 --> 00:53:19,559
nervous about the eight percent because

1207
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:21,480
it's such a big dirt work job however

1208
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,400
they just did

1209
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,260
um in the mass excavation and it's

1210
00:53:25,260 --> 00:53:32,220
generally insane it's beautiful soil it's and so unless

1211
00:53:32,220 --> 00:53:34,260
there is some burial ground we don't

1212
00:53:34,260 --> 00:53:37,260
know you know and I hate to even say it

1213
00:53:37,260 --> 00:53:39,000
but it could have stranger things have

1214
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:39,720
happened

1215
00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:42,780
um I don't I don't I am not concerned

1216
00:53:42,780 --> 00:53:44,760
with that Ampersand I'm very comfortable

1217
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,920
going into this yeah very comfortable my

1218
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,319
you know my experience I I my

1219
00:53:49,319 --> 00:53:52,079
experiences is environmental engineer so

1220
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:53,760
I've done boring solve around the

1221
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,440
country and this was some of the most

1222
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,980
consistent Sans I've seen uh we were

1223
00:53:58,980 --> 00:54:01,619
also involved with the the golf course

1224
00:54:01,619 --> 00:54:04,099
and I have a high level of confidence

1225
00:54:04,099 --> 00:54:07,040
because we saw that we aren't going to

1226
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,500
get any anomalies specific to the

1227
00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:13,619
subsurface however as Tom would say you

1228
00:54:13,619 --> 00:54:16,559
never know until you know and and but I

1229
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:19,020
at this point I would say confidence

1230
00:54:19,020 --> 00:54:21,000
levels are high that we wouldn't get

1231
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:22,980
eight percent the other thing I want to

1232
00:54:22,980 --> 00:54:23,579
add

1233
00:54:23,579 --> 00:54:25,260
um as soon as you ask me that question I

1234
00:54:25,260 --> 00:54:28,020
think about who the who the um

1235
00:54:28,020 --> 00:54:29,940
the parent load bitters are well the low

1236
00:54:29,940 --> 00:54:32,760
bitters they're all solid guys that we

1237
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:34,319
know can deliver and we've had

1238
00:54:34,319 --> 00:54:36,660
experience with it so we're that much

1239
00:54:36,660 --> 00:54:39,240
more comfortable they're not they're not

1240
00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:41,099
change order artists you know they do

1241
00:54:41,099 --> 00:54:43,859
their job and uh we hope and we're there

1242
00:54:43,859 --> 00:54:45,480
as construction managers to hold their

1243
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,280
feet to the fire our job is to protect

1244
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,020
the city against strange or less

1245
00:54:49,020 --> 00:54:51,720
interests yeah but with these this gang

1246
00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:53,400
I'm not too worried about it

1247
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,440
and I knew there was one bitter that we

1248
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:56,760
didn't actually we didn't have a bid you

1249
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,319
had to go back to the Planters website

1250
00:54:58,319 --> 00:55:00,660
yeah so so

1251
00:55:00,660 --> 00:55:01,500
um

1252
00:55:01,500 --> 00:55:04,079
the general contractor the plumber the

1253
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:06,839
electrician we all got bids for HVAC we

1254
00:55:06,839 --> 00:55:10,260
got no bids okay okay that affords us

1255
00:55:10,260 --> 00:55:11,940
the opportunity to then request

1256
00:55:11,940 --> 00:55:14,640
proposals so we our strategy was we

1257
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,940
requested proposals from the plumbers

1258
00:55:16,940 --> 00:55:21,020
that did bid that also do adrac

1259
00:55:21,020 --> 00:55:24,119
and honestly we have a good relationship

1260
00:55:24,119 --> 00:55:26,160
with these guys so they didn't actually

1261
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:27,780
really want a bid on it because it's

1262
00:55:27,780 --> 00:55:30,359
such a small package they're bidding on

1263
00:55:30,359 --> 00:55:32,700
you know fifty thousand dollar thing and

1264
00:55:32,700 --> 00:55:35,280
they got that much paperwork to do so

1265
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,819
slightly reluctant we we certain we uh

1266
00:55:38,819 --> 00:55:41,280
enticed them a bit on it and so the the

1267
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,220
good news is the the plumber that's

1268
00:55:44,220 --> 00:55:47,640
they've got the the plumbing bed is is

1269
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:51,000
low bidder on the proposal was Fed so

1270
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,220
it's the same guy and that's exactly

1271
00:55:53,220 --> 00:55:56,700
what happened just by chance on the on

1272
00:55:56,700 --> 00:55:59,579
the pump stations and again ideal if you

1273
00:55:59,579 --> 00:56:01,140
can have the plumber in the mechanic I'd

1274
00:56:01,140 --> 00:56:03,839
be the same same guy that is one big

1275
00:56:03,839 --> 00:56:06,780
issue that's resolved so that's that's

1276
00:56:06,780 --> 00:56:08,819
really good news so so yeah it's a good

1277
00:56:08,819 --> 00:56:10,680
question but that was

1278
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,780
um accept the proposals because we had

1279
00:56:12,780 --> 00:56:14,579
no public bids

1280
00:56:14,579 --> 00:56:19,270
thank you I have two news

1281
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,800
so

1282
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,740
my statements last question is that

1283
00:56:25,740 --> 00:56:28,319
what how I'm understanding is that the

1284
00:56:28,319 --> 00:56:30,480
project itself didn't double in cost it

1285
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,040
wasn't the project that don't make cost

1286
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,400
it was the expansion of the scope you

1287
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,079
know the watch then

1288
00:56:37,079 --> 00:56:38,940
um got us to where we're at uh for the

1289
00:56:38,940 --> 00:56:41,780
most part right because it is

1290
00:56:41,780 --> 00:56:45,260
that and the market markets

1291
00:56:45,260 --> 00:56:49,920
at all okay so I so you know I believe

1292
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,200
uh Mr one was saying that uh usually

1293
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,980
there's a 10 on contingency there oh

1294
00:56:55,980 --> 00:56:59,099
it's not uncommon and I think right now

1295
00:56:59,099 --> 00:57:02,040
when we're you know my concern is that

1296
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:07,020
because this has doubled in cost due to

1297
00:57:07,020 --> 00:57:08,880
um the market as well as the additional

1298
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:10,680
rate we have to make sure that we're

1299
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:12,720
paying really close attention to that

1300
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:16,260
and is that why the eight percent is is

1301
00:57:16,260 --> 00:57:18,660
there instead of the normal 10 or is

1302
00:57:18,660 --> 00:57:22,809
this just kind of it

1303
00:57:22,819 --> 00:57:25,140
go ahead

1304
00:57:25,140 --> 00:57:28,640
if the council Awards it says

1305
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,440
presented to you these guys are in place

1306
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,740
and they're going to bring this in on

1307
00:57:34,740 --> 00:57:35,880
time

1308
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,000
and at least on budget and I hope it'll

1309
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,220
come in under budget and I expect that

1310
00:57:41,220 --> 00:57:44,760
from Wilson and Saratoga Associates you

1311
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,260
know they're ones that we work with and

1312
00:57:46,260 --> 00:57:47,460
you know we're all working together

1313
00:57:47,460 --> 00:57:49,559
sometimes

1314
00:57:49,559 --> 00:57:51,720
the discussions are a little bit more

1315
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:53,520
heated but they're going to live up to

1316
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,500
these obligations do it in a timely

1317
00:57:55,500 --> 00:57:59,099
fashion and within this existing budget

1318
00:57:59,099 --> 00:58:02,220
I have no problem with that and and then

1319
00:58:02,220 --> 00:58:04,380
the 10 that's not necessary you know I

1320
00:58:04,380 --> 00:58:06,260
don't know the context of that statement

1321
00:58:06,260 --> 00:58:08,520
and you know this is what we do for a

1322
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,559
living we're the ones that put we didn't

1323
00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:12,180
put this budget together we got we got

1324
00:58:12,180 --> 00:58:13,380
involved in the bitter you know The

1325
00:58:13,380 --> 00:58:14,760
Bitter End but

1326
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:19,380
um it's usually it really depends if you tell me the drawings are at 70

1327
00:58:19,380 --> 00:58:20,760
percent

1328
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,160
10 if you tell me the drawing chart 100

1329
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:24,960
we're done and we're on the street

1330
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,420
bidding you can reduce it and that and

1331
00:58:27,420 --> 00:58:29,460
then it's not a it's not a science it's

1332
00:58:29,460 --> 00:58:31,140
more it's actually more of an art you're

1333
00:58:31,140 --> 00:58:33,420
like ah there's a lot of dirt work but

1334
00:58:33,420 --> 00:58:36,359
the dirt work is this yeah based on four

1335
00:58:36,359 --> 00:58:37,980
years experience

1336
00:58:37,980 --> 00:58:39,240
um

1337
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:44,400
eight percent and I'm I I will

1338
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,079
I'm comfortable with that going into

1339
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:48,059
this I'm comfortable that with that sand

1340
00:58:48,059 --> 00:58:50,660
and how what we think we know

1341
00:58:50,660 --> 00:58:56,040
and and solid contractors that um

1342
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:57,780
they're not gonna you know they're we've

1343
00:58:57,780 --> 00:59:00,000
just worked together they you know last

1344
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,000
job we did that I ran with with the city

1345
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,980
was Bureau of services and it was I had

1346
00:59:04,980 --> 00:59:07,500
a schedule and under the adjusted budget

1347
00:59:07,500 --> 00:59:09,660
uh somebody reminded me of that and I'm

1348
00:59:09,660 --> 00:59:10,920
like oh I didn't know it was an option

1349
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,619
to do it otherwise it was a lot of hard

1350
00:59:13,619 --> 00:59:15,119
work to get it done on your budget and

1351
00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:17,700
had a schedule you know so yeah you

1352
00:59:17,700 --> 00:59:18,900
definitely answered my question I was

1353
00:59:18,900 --> 00:59:20,099
just wondering what are the variables

1354
00:59:20,099 --> 00:59:21,540
that are considered between that eight

1355
00:59:21,540 --> 00:59:22,920
and ten percent yeah no it sounds like

1356
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:24,720
the same like once you know the more

1357
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,339
further along you get in the project you

1358
00:59:26,339 --> 00:59:28,079
know more so you're able to right kind

1359
00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:31,200
of pinpoint right right and I'm exactly

1360
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,359
and you know there's it's very dynamic

1361
00:59:33,359 --> 00:59:35,640
as you go there's also there's

1362
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,619
opportunities as you can go that might

1363
00:59:37,619 --> 00:59:40,740
that we could address as we go

1364
00:59:40,740 --> 00:59:42,900
um and you can adjust that going it

1365
00:59:42,900 --> 00:59:45,720
might even come in much much less right

1366
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:49,020
well we know we know which way you want

1367
00:59:49,020 --> 00:59:50,960
it to head and that's our game you know

1368
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,839
look you know our

1369
00:59:53,839 --> 00:59:56,099
you know we have a certain fee what I

1370
00:59:56,099 --> 00:59:57,960
like to do at the end of the end of the

1371
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,000
game we keep score we keep score every

1372
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,859
change order we keep score at the end of

1373
01:00:01,859 --> 01:00:03,900
the day we like to walk in and say see

1374
01:00:03,900 --> 01:00:07,140
this is how much we save yeah and so

1375
01:00:07,140 --> 01:00:11,160
that is our game and uh you know we're

1376
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,260
again working hopefully with guys and

1377
01:00:13,260 --> 01:00:15,540
gals that we can we can work with as we

1378
01:00:15,540 --> 01:00:17,119
go forward on us

1379
01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:20,579
so I'd say assuming um the chairship for

1380
01:00:20,579 --> 01:00:21,900
this committee uh just being very

1381
01:00:21,900 --> 01:00:23,400
candidly I appreciate both of me being

1382
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:24,839
present and the work that your teams

1383
01:00:24,839 --> 01:00:26,940
have done I would say before I feel

1384
01:00:26,940 --> 01:00:29,339
comfortable voting in favor of moving

1385
01:00:29,339 --> 01:00:30,900
these monies I would like to hear from

1386
01:00:30,900 --> 01:00:33,480
our city engineer especially from an

1387
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:34,799
understanding of wanting to recognize

1388
01:00:34,799 --> 01:00:37,319
what aspects of the entire project still

1389
01:00:37,319 --> 01:00:39,299
exist and as you mentioned there are

1390
01:00:39,299 --> 01:00:40,920
some great opportunities still existing

1391
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,200
where is he get them on the phone he's

1392
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,240
on vacation yeah he's on the he's alive

1393
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,960
delaying the

1394
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:51,119
projects so you can get them on the

1395
01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:54,420
phone seriously let's try the challenges

1396
01:00:54,420 --> 01:00:56,640
were down about 45 days and we start

1397
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:57,980
losing

1398
01:00:57,980 --> 01:00:59,819
contractors

1399
01:00:59,819 --> 01:01:04,210
um

1400
01:01:04,220 --> 01:01:08,950
I thought it was like tomorrow

1401
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,900
we were tracking the 45 days it's

1402
01:01:12,900 --> 01:01:16,250
you know

1403
01:01:16,260 --> 01:01:18,480
so I um for me I just wanted to make

1404
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,119
sure that it comes in on September 20

1405
01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:25,260
23. that we're there yeah

1406
01:01:25,260 --> 01:01:28,440
um we you know we brought Wilson Times

1407
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,140
too because

1408
01:01:30,140 --> 01:01:33,780
the Saratoga recommended that TWA be

1409
01:01:33,780 --> 01:01:36,420
brought in specific for what they had in

1410
01:01:36,420 --> 01:01:38,339
construction that uh construction

1411
01:01:38,339 --> 01:01:40,740
management and value engineering because

1412
01:01:40,740 --> 01:01:42,420
we've worked with them and they

1413
01:01:42,420 --> 01:01:44,540
absolutely

1414
01:01:44,540 --> 01:01:47,280
watch every penny that's spent and make

1415
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:48,839
sure it's spent wisely and we thought

1416
01:01:48,839 --> 01:01:50,160
that was in the best interest in the

1417
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,200
city so I'd say before I was cut off I

1418
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:53,700
think the rest of my comment was going

1419
01:01:53,700 --> 01:01:56,099
to be would that posing any continued

1420
01:01:56,099 --> 01:01:58,260
issues with the funny university project

1421
01:01:58,260 --> 01:02:00,780
so if you're saying that 45 days is

1422
01:02:00,780 --> 01:02:02,940
already spent up is that what I'm

1423
01:02:02,940 --> 01:02:04,859
hearing well what happens is the bids

1424
01:02:04,859 --> 01:02:07,319
come in right and the contractors they

1425
01:02:07,319 --> 01:02:09,180
have to hold they have to hold their bid

1426
01:02:09,180 --> 01:02:12,119
for 45 days and then and then after that

1427
01:02:12,119 --> 01:02:15,839
45 days if you don't award they they get

1428
01:02:15,839 --> 01:02:18,660
to decide and we already know that the

1429
01:02:18,660 --> 01:02:21,359
construction was concerned that there's

1430
01:02:21,359 --> 01:02:22,440
still a guy who wouldn't hold their

1431
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:26,040
numbers because it's very volatile so

1432
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:29,299
I'm not feeling very comfortable but

1433
01:02:29,299 --> 01:02:33,780
you know and I'm not I remember the

1434
01:02:33,780 --> 01:02:35,579
question was what day are we in I know

1435
01:02:35,579 --> 01:02:38,040
the re the question is what day are we

1436
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,200
in so I know we're really close to the

1437
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,260
45 days and today now two weeks we bring

1438
01:02:43,260 --> 01:02:45,440
as well as well

1439
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:49,079
26 7 6 is a Sunday right right that's

1440
01:02:49,079 --> 01:02:51,660
when the 45 days comes up will they give

1441
01:02:51,660 --> 01:02:54,960
us one more day it's

1442
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,020
somebody will get wallet on the phone

1443
01:02:58,020 --> 01:03:00,420
and be able to answer your questions Mr

1444
01:03:00,420 --> 01:03:02,000
counseling

1445
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,809
well I think

1446
01:03:05,819 --> 01:03:09,359
she had that I'm sorry I think we had

1447
01:03:09,359 --> 01:03:11,220
that opportunity to give our questions

1448
01:03:11,220 --> 01:03:13,260
to Mr wrong if you let us know that he

1449
01:03:13,260 --> 01:03:14,460
was going to be on vacation this week

1450
01:03:14,460 --> 01:03:16,559
and then if we got any questions given

1451
01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:18,660
all the material that he gave us

1452
01:03:18,660 --> 01:03:20,339
um that we were to contact him last week

1453
01:03:20,339 --> 01:03:23,339
before he left for vacation so I

1454
01:03:23,339 --> 01:03:25,680
personally just have to say I mean

1455
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:27,540
especially given the level of community

1456
01:03:27,540 --> 01:03:31,319
input over months for this project and

1457
01:03:31,319 --> 01:03:33,619
the numbers of people

1458
01:03:33,619 --> 01:03:36,540
in all areas of our city that will be

1459
01:03:36,540 --> 01:03:38,579
benefiting from the use of this for me

1460
01:03:38,579 --> 01:03:41,640
like and you know as chair of the parks

1461
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:43,380
committee here

1462
01:03:43,380 --> 01:03:45,299
um I have to say that I would be so

1463
01:03:45,299 --> 01:03:48,960
proud to be on a city council that

1464
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:50,760
actually approved this kind of project

1465
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,880
which long after we're gone uh not just

1466
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:55,799
as a city council but probably on this

1467
01:03:55,799 --> 01:03:58,440
Earth will still be enjoyed by the

1468
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,599
residents of this city

1469
01:04:00,599 --> 01:04:02,640
um so I I know I'm not on the finance

1470
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,740
committee so I don't get to vote this

1471
01:04:04,740 --> 01:04:06,720
evening but I really encour encourage my

1472
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:09,059
colleagues to vote in favor of this

1473
01:04:09,059 --> 01:04:11,700
project because I just think it has you

1474
01:04:11,700 --> 01:04:14,220
know long lasting benefits for so many

1475
01:04:14,220 --> 01:04:16,140
people in our city including water

1476
01:04:16,140 --> 01:04:18,540
safety employment

1477
01:04:18,540 --> 01:04:21,240
um you know just Health hot summers a

1478
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:24,660
lot of the kids that use our pool

1479
01:04:24,660 --> 01:04:26,280
um you know don't have that kind of

1480
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:28,619
opportunity at home to be able to cool

1481
01:04:28,619 --> 01:04:32,220
down with people with the pool so I just

1482
01:04:32,220 --> 01:04:34,140
really encourage the three of you to

1483
01:04:34,140 --> 01:04:36,540
vote in favor of this project this

1484
01:04:36,540 --> 01:04:37,500
evening

1485
01:04:37,500 --> 01:04:40,309
this question

1486
01:04:40,319 --> 01:04:41,940
I'm sorry what three are you referring

1487
01:04:41,940 --> 01:04:43,859
to the three people that are on the

1488
01:04:43,859 --> 01:04:45,799
committee I think Mr Williams

1489
01:04:45,799 --> 01:04:48,000
Oh I thought you said I thought that you

1490
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:49,260
said that you were now the chair of the

1491
01:04:49,260 --> 01:04:50,880
committee for the evening assuming chair

1492
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,180
responsibility yes yes

1493
01:04:53,180 --> 01:04:55,319
two people

1494
01:04:55,319 --> 01:04:57,839
oh I'm sorry I thought that Mr Paul and

1495
01:04:57,839 --> 01:04:59,880
my name is Miss Porterfield and no no

1496
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:02,700
okay sorry about that so let's see here

1497
01:05:02,700 --> 01:05:05,760
okay um so I just sort of so I'll start

1498
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:07,319
saying what I said when I started

1499
01:05:07,319 --> 01:05:08,760
speaking that I'm fully supported this

1500
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:10,500
project and I just want to be clear it

1501
01:05:10,500 --> 01:05:13,980
wasn't why Community was there was a committee that was formed

1502
01:05:13,980 --> 01:05:15,359
and I have no objection for that but I

1503
01:05:15,359 --> 01:05:16,859
don't want it to be understood that

1504
01:05:16,859 --> 01:05:18,119
there was this you know we went from

1505
01:05:18,119 --> 01:05:19,380
Community to community community that's

1506
01:05:19,380 --> 01:05:20,400
not what happened there were

1507
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,619
representing some Community who formed

1508
01:05:22,619 --> 01:05:24,960
the committee so let's you know um you

1509
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:26,819
know just be clear with that

1510
01:05:26,819 --> 01:05:27,839
um

1511
01:05:27,839 --> 01:05:31,380
so and I just really uh for me again we

1512
01:05:31,380 --> 01:05:33,960
did not have the opportunity to hear

1513
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,359
about the expanded

1514
01:05:36,359 --> 01:05:39,839
uh project that's expanded plan which is

1515
01:05:39,839 --> 01:05:42,660
why I felt like I needed to hear more if

1516
01:05:42,660 --> 01:05:45,359
you see the dollar uh amount of her

1517
01:05:45,359 --> 01:05:48,240
project you know go from one percent and

1518
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,280
then it's doubled 100 I think it's fair

1519
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,440
to ask for an explanation for that so

1520
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:54,119
which is you know why I wanted you to

1521
01:05:54,119 --> 01:05:57,240
come today to to ask to get that

1522
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,579
explanation so it's not about not being

1523
01:05:59,579 --> 01:06:01,020
against the project it's about making

1524
01:06:01,020 --> 01:06:02,700
sure we're clear because we are making

1525
01:06:02,700 --> 01:06:07,630
decisions financial decisions

1526
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:11,819
so that that's 100 clear so um that's

1527
01:06:11,819 --> 01:06:13,920
what I wanted to say and I did I did you

1528
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,319
know send questions to Mr Wallen

1529
01:06:16,319 --> 01:06:20,579
um got those responses so um here we are

1530
01:06:20,579 --> 01:06:22,500
today I'm I also am not on the committee

1531
01:06:22,500 --> 01:06:24,900
so I don't get to vote well I'm going to

1532
01:06:24,900 --> 01:06:26,160
make a motion to move this forward

1533
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,260
especially before I think it's important

1534
01:06:28,260 --> 01:06:30,180
to say that there's yet again another

1535
01:06:30,180 --> 01:06:32,220
instance where the council is being

1536
01:06:32,220 --> 01:06:34,740
directed I absolutely do not want to be

1537
01:06:34,740 --> 01:06:37,559
the constructionist or anything holding

1538
01:06:37,559 --> 01:06:39,599
up these efforts I can understand the

1539
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:41,280
investment that was made by both the

1540
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,380
community and yourselves so I appreciate

1541
01:06:43,380 --> 01:06:45,720
that my hesitation again is just making

1542
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:47,280
sure we can find the other aspects of it

1543
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,740
but with the motion I will support it

1544
01:06:49,740 --> 01:06:51,240
um all those in favor

1545
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:54,770
aye aye promotion to return

1546
01:06:54,780 --> 01:06:57,240
so I would say definitely it's making

1547
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:00,240
sure that as a council these

1548
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:03,420
conversations are brought in real time I

1549
01:07:03,420 --> 01:07:05,160
imagine that would alleviate any of

1550
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:07,500
these instances continuing for

1551
01:07:07,500 --> 01:07:11,130
can I get a motion to start amazing

1552
01:07:11,130 --> 01:07:12,480
[Music]

1553
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,640
I was a additional comment and ask for

1554
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:16,319
it so remember which one of his emotion

1555
01:07:16,319 --> 01:07:18,839
you were supposed to either not prove it

1556
01:07:18,839 --> 01:07:22,319
or go gentlemen emotion second Paul's a

1557
01:07:22,319 --> 01:07:24,539
favorite for your turn

1558
01:07:24,539 --> 01:07:26,339
thank you I'd like to call the Florida

1559
01:07:26,339 --> 01:07:28,559
City development and planning

1560
01:07:28,559 --> 01:07:30,119
so

1561
01:07:30,119 --> 01:07:32,220
thank you thank you both for coming in

1562
01:07:32,220 --> 01:07:35,420
the explanations

1563
01:07:35,420 --> 01:07:39,359
all right all right thank you so we have

1564
01:07:39,359 --> 01:07:42,200
uh seven items on the agenda

1565
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:46,380
uh these first item is to

1566
01:07:46,380 --> 01:07:48,780
um oops I'm sorry

1567
01:07:48,780 --> 01:07:52,089
government officers

1568
01:07:52,099 --> 01:07:55,500
sure okay so I'd like to call the order

1569
01:07:55,500 --> 01:07:57,720
of operations we have one agenda item

1570
01:07:57,720 --> 01:07:59,520
that's a reminder that amended to

1571
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:01,500
chapter 161 is connected to city code

1572
01:08:01,500 --> 01:08:04,319
regarding the collection of white goods

1573
01:08:04,319 --> 01:08:07,640
um uh public hearing will be held on uh

1574
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:12,230
227 2023

1575
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:16,080
any questions comments on that

1576
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:19,370
I like the next motion

1577
01:08:19,380 --> 01:08:24,070
no I don't need much better

1578
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,339
modification okay that's just a reminder

1579
01:08:26,339 --> 01:08:28,560
okay

1580
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:39,729
any questions

1581
01:08:39,739 --> 01:08:42,420
thinking now reconvene City development

1582
01:08:42,420 --> 01:08:44,160
planning we do have seven items on the

1583
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,859
agenda the first item on the agenda is

1584
01:08:46,859 --> 01:08:48,900
to award and bid the contract for the

1585
01:08:48,900 --> 01:08:50,699
Central Park Pool

1586
01:08:50,699 --> 01:08:52,679
Etc we just had a lengthy conversation

1587
01:08:52,679 --> 01:08:54,600
about funding it

1588
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:55,620
um

1589
01:08:55,620 --> 01:08:58,560
so Mr Wallen is not here is there

1590
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,540
someone here to speak to this for Mr

1591
01:09:00,540 --> 01:09:01,859
Wallen

1592
01:09:01,859 --> 01:09:03,900
I'm more than willing to address any

1593
01:09:03,900 --> 01:09:06,900
issue that you have questions

1594
01:09:06,900 --> 01:09:08,759
are there any questions with regarding

1595
01:09:08,759 --> 01:09:10,560
the state and contract you just heard a

1596
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:14,640
very thorough explanation any questions

1597
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,819
I'll move it I'll second all's in favor

1598
01:09:17,819 --> 01:09:20,219
aye aye and the second item on the

1599
01:09:20,219 --> 01:09:21,900
agenda is the award admit contract for

1600
01:09:21,900 --> 01:09:24,140
the Central Park Pool spray pad Etc

1601
01:09:24,140 --> 01:09:27,420
contact to MC to

1602
01:09:27,420 --> 01:09:30,000
um RMB mechanical and the amount of

1603
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:34,269
fifty three thousand dollars yeah

1604
01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:37,920
second all's in favor bye

1605
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,080
uh the third I'm on the agenda is the

1606
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,299
ceremony recognition uh ceremony

1607
01:09:42,299 --> 01:09:44,100
resolution recognizing women's History

1608
01:09:44,100 --> 01:09:46,910
Month

1609
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,500
Etc yes March's women's history month

1610
01:09:49,500 --> 01:09:51,480
and so as we've done in the past I'd

1611
01:09:51,480 --> 01:09:52,620
like to

1612
01:09:52,620 --> 01:09:56,699
um have a resolution recognizing that

1613
01:09:56,699 --> 01:09:58,500
so I'd like to use that all right I'll

1614
01:09:58,500 --> 01:10:00,420
second all in favor

1615
01:10:00,420 --> 01:10:02,340
item number four is going to be

1616
01:10:02,340 --> 01:10:04,320
postponed

1617
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:07,020
item number five uh creative outdoor

1618
01:10:07,020 --> 01:10:08,880
presentation on outdoor garbage

1619
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,160
collecting bins Mr palomini yes last

1620
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:13,980
time we had a presentation by Mr Diamond

1621
01:10:13,980 --> 01:10:16,980
from create about George about garbage

1622
01:10:16,980 --> 01:10:19,980
cans to put around the city but also

1623
01:10:19,980 --> 01:10:22,199
generate some Revenue let me give us a

1624
01:10:22,199 --> 01:10:26,159
question surrounding that I did ask and

1625
01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:30,960
he said all depends upon the cost of the

1626
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:33,420
ads themselves but generally speaking

1627
01:10:33,420 --> 01:10:35,640
for the size of our city and the number

1628
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:37,920
of cans that would be put out anywhere

1629
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:39,719
from ten to fifteen thousand dollars

1630
01:10:39,719 --> 01:10:41,699
would be generated in revenue for the

1631
01:10:41,699 --> 01:10:46,080
city so we would have those cans put

1632
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:49,860
around the city hopefully to deal with

1633
01:10:49,860 --> 01:10:52,580
some of the issues in regards to litter

1634
01:10:52,580 --> 01:10:57,540
Mr Golden and his staff looked into the

1635
01:10:57,540 --> 01:11:00,360
legality of it for the city he said it's

1636
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:01,400
okay

1637
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:04,739
yeah just for the sake of discussion

1638
01:11:04,739 --> 01:11:06,300
um we don't see any legal impediments

1639
01:11:06,300 --> 01:11:08,159
for moving ahead with this

1640
01:11:08,159 --> 01:11:11,460
and so therefore I would recommend that

1641
01:11:11,460 --> 01:11:12,960
we authorize the mayor to enter

1642
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,900
contracts with creative outdoor for

1643
01:11:15,900 --> 01:11:18,659
these garbage cans

1644
01:11:18,659 --> 01:11:23,990
so 10 to 15 000 per year yes

1645
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,520
and um so they said it would have to be

1646
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:28,679
about 40 garbage cans

1647
01:11:28,679 --> 01:11:31,140
is what I'm doing I think that would be

1648
01:11:31,140 --> 01:11:32,900
something the mayor would negotiate but

1649
01:11:32,900 --> 01:11:35,640
he said minimum for you after I remember

1650
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:37,679
what and

1651
01:11:37,679 --> 01:11:39,840
um and I as I also understand it needs

1652
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:41,820
to be in high trafficked areas

1653
01:11:41,820 --> 01:11:43,980
yes but I think that's also something

1654
01:11:43,980 --> 01:11:45,900
that the mayor could negotiate with

1655
01:11:45,900 --> 01:11:49,800
higher traffic areas okay

1656
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:51,900
look at this it's what I call some of

1657
01:11:51,900 --> 01:11:54,120
the obvious areas so you're going up

1658
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:56,420
Albany Street Craig Street Crane Street

1659
01:11:56,420 --> 01:11:59,520
areas of downtown Eastern Avenue Van

1660
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:00,900
Rank and

1661
01:12:00,900 --> 01:12:03,060
uh would be

1662
01:12:03,060 --> 01:12:06,000
areas that they would be able to agree

1663
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:07,860
with us in terms of the best placement

1664
01:12:07,860 --> 01:12:09,840
of it

1665
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,060
well for me I would like to see a plan

1666
01:12:12,060 --> 01:12:15,060
of exactly where they're going to go

1667
01:12:15,060 --> 01:12:16,860
um and

1668
01:12:16,860 --> 01:12:18,480
yeah I would like to see a plan of where

1669
01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:19,440
they're going to go and he definitely

1670
01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:21,300
said high traffic areas and I there's

1671
01:12:21,300 --> 01:12:22,620
actually actually I got some information

1672
01:12:22,620 --> 01:12:24,780
that was really specific about that so

1673
01:12:24,780 --> 01:12:26,760
they wouldn't be in residential areas so

1674
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:28,260
I'd like to see a plan where we replace

1675
01:12:28,260 --> 01:12:29,520
these

1676
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,860
um so do you want some in residential

1677
01:12:31,860 --> 01:12:36,530
areas or not

1678
01:12:36,540 --> 01:12:37,860
quite frankly I think that that's

1679
01:12:37,860 --> 01:12:39,780
another conversation that is maybe could

1680
01:12:39,780 --> 01:12:41,219
be out there for the public to have a

1681
01:12:41,219 --> 01:12:43,199
discussion regarding uh it's not just

1682
01:12:43,199 --> 01:12:44,640
you know what I would like to see there

1683
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:46,440
but I definitely if we're talking about

1684
01:12:46,440 --> 01:12:47,940
high traffic areas I would definitely

1685
01:12:47,940 --> 01:12:50,280
like to see where that is going to be

1686
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:52,260
and do we even get to that 40 number

1687
01:12:52,260 --> 01:12:54,840
considering that so I would like to see

1688
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:56,880
a plan from this organization

1689
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,159
um and and definitely some feedback for

1690
01:12:59,159 --> 01:13:01,199
what they've seen in similar size cities

1691
01:13:01,199 --> 01:13:03,659
in terms of that

1692
01:13:03,659 --> 01:13:06,659
um before we 100 commit to it not that

1693
01:13:06,659 --> 01:13:07,920
we don't have a problem with litter we

1694
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,320
all know that we do I don't know that

1695
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:14,149
this particular very large

1696
01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:18,360
piece of equipment is is

1697
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:19,679
ideal

1698
01:13:19,679 --> 01:13:21,659
so I would really like to see a plan on

1699
01:13:21,659 --> 01:13:23,640
that before we move forward with that

1700
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,580
that's mine I'll send your questions

1701
01:13:26,580 --> 01:13:28,620
along the email and I'll see if he will

1702
01:13:28,620 --> 01:13:31,260
address those I will say that this goes

1703
01:13:31,260 --> 01:13:33,719
hand in hand with the litter proposal

1704
01:13:33,719 --> 01:13:35,699
program that was put forward and the

1705
01:13:35,699 --> 01:13:40,260
council got behind and furthermore the

1706
01:13:40,260 --> 01:13:42,659
garbage cans are free instead of using

1707
01:13:42,659 --> 01:13:44,880
other resources that we could be using

1708
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:48,600
for other efforts around the city this

1709
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:50,040
would be something that we could get for

1710
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:52,800
free and bring in money so send your

1711
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:54,840
questions along and I'll be happy to try

1712
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:56,699
to get those addressed

1713
01:13:56,699 --> 01:13:58,199
I'll make sure that I'll send them

1714
01:13:58,199 --> 01:13:59,219
through Miss Michael like we do

1715
01:13:59,219 --> 01:14:00,840
everything and then they can they can

1716
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:02,640
move forward

1717
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:05,040
um that's my concern about that and I

1718
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:06,300
would like to see if it's anyone else

1719
01:14:06,300 --> 01:14:07,980
that has any questions or concerns

1720
01:14:07,980 --> 01:14:10,380
regarding this

1721
01:14:10,380 --> 01:14:12,120
so I I actually

1722
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:13,679
um you know after listen to the

1723
01:14:13,679 --> 01:14:14,699
presentation

1724
01:14:14,699 --> 01:14:17,400
um I think it sounds like a really good

1725
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:19,860
absolutely opportunity

1726
01:14:19,860 --> 01:14:24,600
um but I definitely would think that would be we'd see like kind of a

1727
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:27,659
proposal where you know where the garden

1728
01:14:27,659 --> 01:14:29,580
that's a pretty reasonable expectation I

1729
01:14:29,580 --> 01:14:30,840
don't understand think that you need to

1730
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:31,860
ask for that I thought that'd be

1731
01:14:31,860 --> 01:14:33,840
something that naturally happened but

1732
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:36,360
quite honestly I I I appreciate the

1733
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:37,800
information that was sharing I think

1734
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:39,780
this is a good opportunity

1735
01:14:39,780 --> 01:14:41,760
um so um yeah I'd like to see that

1736
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:44,820
information to make sure that it's a fit

1737
01:14:44,820 --> 01:14:46,199
um for our city and that the city

1738
01:14:46,199 --> 01:14:48,239
residents or something that that they

1739
01:14:48,239 --> 01:14:51,120
will be buying as well so

1740
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:51,960
thank you

1741
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:54,840
it's important thing is that um that

1742
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:56,280
kind of a plan would that be coming from

1743
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:57,960
the vendor or would that be coming from

1744
01:14:57,960 --> 01:14:58,980
the

1745
01:14:58,980 --> 01:15:01,320
mayor and his team honestly I think how

1746
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:03,420
I understood was you would enter in a

1747
01:15:03,420 --> 01:15:06,780
contract negotiations this city would

1748
01:15:06,780 --> 01:15:09,659
say well we don't want to camp here yeah

1749
01:15:09,659 --> 01:15:11,460
we might want to hear and working hand

1750
01:15:11,460 --> 01:15:13,380
in hand with the vendor so I'm not even

1751
01:15:13,380 --> 01:15:16,140
sure I understand what you're saying but

1752
01:15:16,140 --> 01:15:18,480
not not even sure that's even possible

1753
01:15:18,480 --> 01:15:20,159
without there being some sort of

1754
01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:22,140
negotiation to happen

1755
01:15:22,140 --> 01:15:25,370
all right

1756
01:15:25,380 --> 01:15:27,960
so yeah

1757
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:31,380
so I would generally expect that that

1758
01:15:31,380 --> 01:15:33,659
those conversations happen and what I

1759
01:15:33,659 --> 01:15:35,820
wouldn't want to do is say it said you

1760
01:15:35,820 --> 01:15:37,920
know if we agreed that we're going to

1761
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:41,760
get 40 uh something cans and then uh

1762
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:43,380
we're looking at the proposed placement

1763
01:15:43,380 --> 01:15:46,020
of those cans up now you know there

1764
01:15:46,020 --> 01:15:49,140
isn't enough real estate to do that

1765
01:15:49,140 --> 01:15:52,679
um in a way that uh is effective and now

1766
01:15:52,679 --> 01:15:56,100
we're looking at all possibly these six

1767
01:15:56,100 --> 01:15:59,159
or seven cans you know won't go for uh

1768
01:15:59,159 --> 01:16:02,159
population online or won't happen that

1769
01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:04,560
way and then we have and then and then

1770
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:06,179
maybe this just isn't the fit for us or

1771
01:16:06,179 --> 01:16:08,880
other than that's what I was proposing

1772
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:10,380
um again this is something that I happen

1773
01:16:10,380 --> 01:16:11,460
to

1774
01:16:11,460 --> 01:16:14,219
um agree and support

1775
01:16:14,219 --> 01:16:16,980
um and

1776
01:16:16,980 --> 01:16:18,840
that's why I'm the question that I'm

1777
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:21,540
asking I think is pretty is it is a

1778
01:16:21,540 --> 01:16:23,400
question around how do we make sure that

1779
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:24,719
we have all the information clear so

1780
01:16:24,719 --> 01:16:26,280
when we do this thing that I think is a

1781
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:28,080
good idea it's done in the best possible

1782
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:29,219
manner

1783
01:16:29,219 --> 01:16:31,679
yeah trying to demonstrate how we so the

1784
01:16:31,679 --> 01:16:34,140
Kelly school was the final ability to

1785
01:16:34,140 --> 01:16:37,860
reject garbage can placement

1786
01:16:37,860 --> 01:16:39,420
so

1787
01:16:39,420 --> 01:16:41,760
slippers that's not that's not what I'm

1788
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:43,560
saying what I'm saying is we definitely

1789
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:45,179
want garbage cans is this the best

1790
01:16:45,179 --> 01:16:48,060
choice and you know that's what I'm

1791
01:16:48,060 --> 01:16:51,300
saying so we clearly want garbage cans

1792
01:16:51,300 --> 01:16:54,540
uh many communities including mine

1793
01:16:54,540 --> 01:16:56,340
put garbage cans all over the city so we

1794
01:16:56,340 --> 01:16:57,780
know there's a need for it doesn't mean

1795
01:16:57,780 --> 01:17:00,659
that every um everything is an absolute

1796
01:17:00,659 --> 01:17:02,520
fit so can we take a look at what that

1797
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:06,120
looks like that's what I'm saying

1798
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:08,780
I guess then what would your proposal be

1799
01:17:08,780 --> 01:17:11,100
otherwise so that we could look into

1800
01:17:11,100 --> 01:17:13,500
this what you brought forward was for us

1801
01:17:13,500 --> 01:17:15,480
to consider this and what I'm asking you

1802
01:17:15,480 --> 01:17:18,179
for is to ask the folks who brought

1803
01:17:18,179 --> 01:17:20,100
forward what their plan would look like

1804
01:17:20,100 --> 01:17:22,199
for our city based on the size of the

1805
01:17:22,199 --> 01:17:24,600
city the high traffic areas

1806
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:26,340
and if you would like to for another

1807
01:17:26,340 --> 01:17:27,900
vendor to come forward I'm sure that we

1808
01:17:27,900 --> 01:17:29,640
can look into that and have that happen

1809
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:31,440
as well I understand what you're saying

1810
01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:34,020
what I was asking is what other proposal

1811
01:17:34,020 --> 01:17:36,480
do you have because right now this is

1812
01:17:36,480 --> 01:17:38,100
all we really have if you have something

1813
01:17:38,100 --> 01:17:40,860
else then we can look into this

1814
01:17:40,860 --> 01:17:43,679
um and to expect them to come in and say

1815
01:17:43,679 --> 01:17:45,420
we're going to put garbage cans here and

1816
01:17:45,420 --> 01:17:48,000
here without the negotiation just isn't

1817
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,100
going to happen properly now I'll check

1818
01:17:50,100 --> 01:17:53,219
and ask but I'm just asking you what

1819
01:17:53,219 --> 01:17:55,560
proposal or plan do you have so then

1820
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:57,780
maybe I can look into that and see if

1821
01:17:57,780 --> 01:17:59,280
there's something else well if there's

1822
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:01,260
other vendors and generally speaking

1823
01:18:01,260 --> 01:18:02,280
when there's this kind of thing that

1824
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:03,840
happens there are three people that can

1825
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,540
take a look at so and this is not as I'm

1826
01:18:06,540 --> 01:18:10,800
sure that this is not something that's a Soulful Soul person you know that does

1827
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:12,719
that so if you want to bring two others

1828
01:18:12,719 --> 01:18:14,460
which is reasonable we'll get look at

1829
01:18:14,460 --> 01:18:15,840
all three of them and see which makes

1830
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:17,640
the most sense for the city well if you

1831
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:19,560
have something with your questions to

1832
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:21,420
Miss Michael please pass along on the

1833
01:18:21,420 --> 01:18:22,739
plan

1834
01:18:22,739 --> 01:18:26,390
thank you

1835
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,159
Mr Clark yeah I just

1836
01:18:29,159 --> 01:18:32,699
think that we have to look at this that

1837
01:18:32,699 --> 01:18:34,140
um two things can be true here people

1838
01:18:34,140 --> 01:18:36,540
okay and everything doesn't have to be

1839
01:18:36,540 --> 01:18:38,520
you know uh

1840
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:41,159
power struggle and I think that

1841
01:18:41,159 --> 01:18:41,880
um

1842
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:43,860
what we're ended up doing right now is

1843
01:18:43,860 --> 01:18:46,020
that I think it's a pretty reasonable

1844
01:18:46,020 --> 01:18:49,199
question and so two things can be true

1845
01:18:49,199 --> 01:18:51,060
it's a reasonable request to see like

1846
01:18:51,060 --> 01:18:53,159
what this might look like in the city

1847
01:18:53,159 --> 01:18:55,320
before we you know move forward and

1848
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:57,360
enter into a contract and we can still

1849
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:58,800
support the initiative because we think

1850
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:00,480
it's a good idea we are more than

1851
01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:02,640
capable of doing that um collectively as

1852
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:06,000
a buyer so let's my comment it really is

1853
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,280
let's focus our energy there that's what

1854
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:10,020
we need to be doing no one's disagreeing

1855
01:19:10,020 --> 01:19:12,360
with the on that Mr Farley she missed

1856
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,280
Porterfield indicated that there were

1857
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:17,040
some other proposals or plans and all I

1858
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:18,900
was asking for is that you know let us

1859
01:19:18,900 --> 01:19:20,400
know and maybe we can look into it

1860
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,320
that's all that was said it wasn't

1861
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:25,560
anything about trying not to

1862
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:27,960
bring forward a plan of where cans might

1863
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:30,780
go it was there was a comment made about

1864
01:19:30,780 --> 01:19:33,659
other plans so if there's something else

1865
01:19:33,659 --> 01:19:36,900
out there or other proposals let us know

1866
01:19:36,900 --> 01:19:38,460
so that we can try to work on that

1867
01:19:38,460 --> 01:19:41,460
that's all of us right I I understood

1868
01:19:41,460 --> 01:19:43,320
the question to be around the plan

1869
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:45,900
that's existing in front of us that's

1870
01:19:45,900 --> 01:19:48,719
our understood it but in that energy and

1871
01:19:48,719 --> 01:19:50,699
in that Spirit pretty pretty solid

1872
01:19:50,699 --> 01:19:52,620
reasonable question and does not mean

1873
01:19:52,620 --> 01:19:55,020
that um that there's an opposition to

1874
01:19:55,020 --> 01:19:56,400
the plan so

1875
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:57,780
and I didn't say there were other

1876
01:19:57,780 --> 01:20:00,179
proposal I simply asked for a outline of

1877
01:20:00,179 --> 01:20:01,679
what this one would look like so just to

1878
01:20:01,679 --> 01:20:03,480
make sure we're 100 clear you did bring

1879
01:20:03,480 --> 01:20:04,739
up the point that there could be others

1880
01:20:04,739 --> 01:20:07,380
and if we want to bring up others in we

1881
01:20:07,380 --> 01:20:08,880
certainly can do that as well it was not

1882
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:10,440
an objection plan just what it's going

1883
01:20:10,440 --> 01:20:12,179
to look like

1884
01:20:12,179 --> 01:20:14,219
so we can bring that back I'll make sure

1885
01:20:14,219 --> 01:20:15,540
I have my questions

1886
01:20:15,540 --> 01:20:17,400
um most forward to Ms Michael so that

1887
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:20,640
they can be answered by this vendor and

1888
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:22,739
um and perhaps if there's other vendors

1889
01:20:22,739 --> 01:20:24,000
who may want to have an interest in them

1890
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,460
and then we can bring this back um this

1891
01:20:26,460 --> 01:20:27,600
problem would you like it back in two

1892
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:28,920
weeks yes

1893
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:32,930
then we'll bring it back in two weeks

1894
01:20:32,940 --> 01:20:34,560
the next item is discussion of

1895
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:36,600
Abandonment and sale of a large Street

1896
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:49,930
Mr Brown

1897
01:20:49,940 --> 01:20:55,090
thank you

1898
01:20:55,100 --> 01:20:57,360
this discussion item is about the

1899
01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:01,260
abandonment and the sale of large Street is a small Street that's

1900
01:21:01,260 --> 01:21:04,980
located between 633 and 651 Lansing

1901
01:21:04,980 --> 01:21:08,159
Street we in the past have received

1902
01:21:08,159 --> 01:21:10,199
multiple complaints regarding people

1903
01:21:10,199 --> 01:21:12,000
attempting to dump trash on the land

1904
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,159
that we own that is at the end of large

1905
01:21:14,159 --> 01:21:15,140
Street

1906
01:21:15,140 --> 01:21:17,520
and our city staff has addressed it

1907
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:21,300
multiple times the owners at 60 33

1908
01:21:21,300 --> 01:21:23,760
Lancing Street as well as the owners at

1909
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:26,820
651 Lansing Street have approached the

1910
01:21:26,820 --> 01:21:29,460
city about potentially purchasing it in

1911
01:21:29,460 --> 01:21:31,620
order for that to occur we would have to

1912
01:21:31,620 --> 01:21:33,480
abandon that in order to create it as a

1913
01:21:33,480 --> 01:21:35,060
partial to sell

1914
01:21:35,060 --> 01:21:39,380
one of the owners at 633 Lansing Street

1915
01:21:39,380 --> 01:21:42,120
would need a portion of that land if it

1916
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:43,800
were to be parceled off in order to

1917
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:46,560
access his garages and the other owner

1918
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:48,179
would like to use the additional space

1919
01:21:48,179 --> 01:21:50,460
to provide parking for the tenants at

1920
01:21:50,460 --> 01:21:53,040
that location at 651 Lansing

1921
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:54,620
any questions

1922
01:21:54,620 --> 01:21:57,060
Mr Golden sorry I just want to add a

1923
01:21:57,060 --> 01:21:58,800
little bit more to this um you know I

1924
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:00,360
had a chance to meet with the owners

1925
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:02,400
with Mr Brown uh this is one of those

1926
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:04,020
there's nothing really to move today

1927
01:22:04,020 --> 01:22:05,940
it's just discussion item

1928
01:22:05,940 --> 01:22:07,560
um because we can't even start the

1929
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:09,239
abandonment process until we have a

1930
01:22:09,239 --> 01:22:12,659
survey these owners have agreed to pay

1931
01:22:12,659 --> 01:22:15,840
all the costs to the city for you know

1932
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:17,580
preparing the

1933
01:22:17,580 --> 01:22:19,500
um the survey which is going to run them

1934
01:22:19,500 --> 01:22:21,480
you know over a thousand dollars I'm

1935
01:22:21,480 --> 01:22:24,120
going to guess just based on the size of

1936
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:26,520
this area of Street in the city would be

1937
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:29,400
potentially abandoning they would also

1938
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:30,679
agreed to

1939
01:22:30,679 --> 01:22:33,179
all costs related to recording any

1940
01:22:33,179 --> 01:22:37,080
documents which would be Deeds they will

1941
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:39,420
pay for that so they're going to be on

1942
01:22:39,420 --> 01:22:42,980
the hook for all the costs out of pocket

1943
01:22:42,980 --> 01:22:45,239
the issue that they had was they wanted

1944
01:22:45,239 --> 01:22:46,800
before they wanted to go pay for a

1945
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:48,960
survey to start this process and then

1946
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:50,280
bring it to the council later on they

1947
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:52,199
wanted to know if the council was

1948
01:22:52,199 --> 01:22:55,679
supportive of this of this by this mini

1949
01:22:55,679 --> 01:22:56,600
project

1950
01:22:56,600 --> 01:23:00,060
I will say the Straight is not in the

1951
01:23:00,060 --> 01:23:01,620
best of shape I did we didn't have a

1952
01:23:01,620 --> 01:23:03,120
chance to talk to Mr Wallen about it

1953
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:06,900
it's a very small street there's really nothing fronting

1954
01:23:06,900 --> 01:23:09,360
um you know this brought this street uh

1955
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:10,920
it's really the sides of both of these

1956
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:13,620
properties as Mr Brown indicated the

1957
01:23:13,620 --> 01:23:16,980
cost to repave this area would be I

1958
01:23:16,980 --> 01:23:18,960
think Mr Wallen indicated upwards of two

1959
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,000
hundred thousand dollars just for that

1960
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:22,739
little tiny piece which nobody really

1961
01:23:22,739 --> 01:23:25,140
benefits from and as Mr Brown indicated

1962
01:23:25,140 --> 01:23:26,640
there's a considerable amount a

1963
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:28,620
considerable amount of dumping dumping

1964
01:23:28,620 --> 01:23:30,320
going on there and the city has put

1965
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:33,360
these cement blockades to prevent The

1966
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:36,360
Dumping going on there so the the

1967
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:38,340
request today is just to get informal

1968
01:23:38,340 --> 01:23:40,440
support to go ahead with this

1969
01:23:40,440 --> 01:23:42,780
abandonment and this project to

1970
01:23:42,780 --> 01:23:45,540
eventually allow these Property Owners

1971
01:23:45,540 --> 01:23:48,000
to buy what would be abandoned by

1972
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,159
dividing it in half

1973
01:23:50,159 --> 01:23:51,060
thank you

1974
01:23:51,060 --> 01:23:55,130
discussion from council members and

1975
01:23:55,140 --> 01:23:57,980
get in favor against

1976
01:23:57,980 --> 01:23:59,600
support

1977
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:01,860
is there anyone in the objection that we

1978
01:24:01,860 --> 01:24:05,510
would support this request

1979
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:08,360
okay thank you

1980
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:12,120
all right thank you uh the final item on

1981
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:14,159
this on the city development planning is

1982
01:24:14,159 --> 01:24:16,860
sale of 35 moisten Street a vacant lot

1983
01:24:16,860 --> 01:24:20,040
which would be an executive session

1984
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:22,320
so at this time I ask for a motion to

1985
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:24,300
adjourn City development planning so

1986
01:24:24,300 --> 01:24:27,420
moved I mean I'm sorry reset so second

1987
01:24:27,420 --> 01:24:30,590
all in favor

1988
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:34,440
so um I'd like to open claims

1989
01:24:34,440 --> 01:24:36,000
um there are three items on the agenda

1990
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:37,739
for claims

1991
01:24:37,739 --> 01:24:39,300
um all three of these items need to be

1992
01:24:39,300 --> 01:24:41,880
discussed in executive session before we

1993
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:43,739
go on Executive session I have something

1994
01:24:43,739 --> 01:24:46,080
I'd like to bring forward for claims

1995
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:47,820
oh okay

1996
01:24:47,820 --> 01:24:48,360
um

1997
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:51,120
typically we do Personnel issues and

1998
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:53,040
claims

1999
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:53,940
um

2000
01:24:53,940 --> 01:24:56,040
there's been serious allegations against

2001
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:58,500
Mr Farley we know that

2002
01:24:58,500 --> 01:25:03,960
it's incumbent upon us as a body we have

2003
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:07,440
an issue of serious allegations against

2004
01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:08,960
one of our members

2005
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:12,719
there needs to be an investigation and

2006
01:25:12,719 --> 01:25:15,600
as our council president calling on you

2007
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,120
to call for an investigation so Mr

2008
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:20,460
Farley can have his name cleared and

2009
01:25:20,460 --> 01:25:22,620
then there's nothing pointing over his

2010
01:25:22,620 --> 01:25:25,860
head or if there's something found

2011
01:25:25,860 --> 01:25:27,600
that's determined there's something

2012
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:30,780
either unethical or illegal then that

2013
01:25:30,780 --> 01:25:32,219
can be addressed

2014
01:25:32,219 --> 01:25:34,260
but I think it's very important for us

2015
01:25:34,260 --> 01:25:37,020
to be transparent in this body to make

2016
01:25:37,020 --> 01:25:38,940
sure that we have this addressed and I'm

2017
01:25:38,940 --> 01:25:40,440
calling on you as our council president

2018
01:25:40,440 --> 01:25:43,020
to call for an investigation

2019
01:25:43,020 --> 01:25:44,820
so I'm not sure which what you're

2020
01:25:44,820 --> 01:25:46,260
talking about specifically but let me

2021
01:25:46,260 --> 01:25:49,739
say this let me say that in terms of the

2022
01:25:49,739 --> 01:25:51,120
Consulting contract

2023
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:52,560
that was entered into the school

2024
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:54,719
district was very clear that there was

2025
01:25:54,719 --> 01:25:56,699
nothing illegal it was not against the

2026
01:25:56,699 --> 01:26:00,120
policy they were 100 clear when he um

2027
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:02,699
when he they signed him hired him as an

2028
01:26:02,699 --> 01:26:03,840
employee that he already has a

2029
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:05,100
Consulting contract there was nothing

2030
01:26:05,100 --> 01:26:08,280
illegal there so there's and and in

2031
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:09,420
addition to that it's already been

2032
01:26:09,420 --> 01:26:11,400
referred to the State Board of Education

2033
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:13,139
who will look into it and if there's

2034
01:26:13,139 --> 01:26:15,120
anything illegal it's up to them to make

2035
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:16,679
that decision so that process has

2036
01:26:16,679 --> 01:26:17,940
already taken place

2037
01:26:17,940 --> 01:26:20,820
all right but this we don't have ethics

2038
01:26:20,820 --> 01:26:22,980
bot yes we do have a board at least

2039
01:26:22,980 --> 01:26:25,860
Ethics Committee on this Council we have

2040
01:26:25,860 --> 01:26:28,380
one in the city in the city yes well

2041
01:26:28,380 --> 01:26:30,840
then I'm asking you to call for an

2042
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:32,639
investigation have the Ethics Committee

2043
01:26:32,639 --> 01:26:35,219
look into it that way Mr Farley can at

2044
01:26:35,219 --> 01:26:37,800
least have his name cleared and we can

2045
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:39,600
move forward because we are getting

2046
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:43,380
questions on this and you know it's

2047
01:26:43,380 --> 01:26:45,659
something that should be looked into and

2048
01:26:45,659 --> 01:26:47,159
while it is a school of board matter

2049
01:26:47,159 --> 01:26:48,900
it's not

2050
01:26:48,900 --> 01:26:52,020
a school issue it's not a no-show job

2051
01:26:52,020 --> 01:26:54,960
situation this is public money and then

2052
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:57,239
there's some other issues with perhaps

2053
01:26:57,239 --> 01:27:01,139
taxation issues that's something that is

2054
01:27:01,139 --> 01:27:03,900
an Ethics issue and it should be looked

2055
01:27:03,900 --> 01:27:07,260
into and again if Mr Farley's got no

2056
01:27:07,260 --> 01:27:09,420
issue with this then he should have his

2057
01:27:09,420 --> 01:27:11,580
he deserves to have his name cleared and

2058
01:27:11,580 --> 01:27:12,840
I think that would need to be a request

2059
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:14,760
for Mr Farley and let's just also keep

2060
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:16,860
in mind that these things took place

2061
01:27:16,860 --> 01:27:19,320
before Mr Farley was seated as this

2062
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:22,260
council at this Council so that's not

2063
01:27:22,260 --> 01:27:24,239
these are not things that took place as

2064
01:27:24,239 --> 01:27:26,890
a councilman

2065
01:27:26,900 --> 01:27:28,860
excuse me let me just stop right here

2066
01:27:28,860 --> 01:27:30,659
you started this by saying it's a

2067
01:27:30,659 --> 01:27:33,120
personal issue it should be discussed in

2068
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:38,100
claim or in executive sessions however

2069
01:27:38,100 --> 01:27:39,780
not in claims there's no claim against

2070
01:27:39,780 --> 01:27:43,199
Mr Farley by anyone I said we usually do

2071
01:27:43,199 --> 01:27:45,659
Personnel matters in clients but yet you

2072
01:27:45,659 --> 01:27:47,159
want to discuss this particular one in

2073
01:27:47,159 --> 01:27:48,060
public

2074
01:27:48,060 --> 01:27:50,420
I didn't ask for it to be discussed in

2075
01:27:50,420 --> 01:27:53,580
uh exactly Obsession I said it should be

2076
01:27:53,580 --> 01:27:56,460
disgusting claims no one's discussing

2077
01:27:56,460 --> 01:27:59,639
whether he's illegal unethical or not

2078
01:27:59,639 --> 01:28:02,060
we're just calling for an investigation

2079
01:28:02,060 --> 01:28:05,699
of whether he has done something or not

2080
01:28:05,699 --> 01:28:07,920
done something there's a huge issue

2081
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:11,100
difference there okay so just a couple

2082
01:28:11,100 --> 01:28:12,540
questions because I think that this is

2083
01:28:12,540 --> 01:28:14,040
definitely

2084
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:16,620
um clearly something that um is a tad

2085
01:28:16,620 --> 01:28:18,780
bizarre that you introduced that at this

2086
01:28:18,780 --> 01:28:20,940
juncture of our standing committee

2087
01:28:20,940 --> 01:28:22,440
meeting um I think that that's pretty

2088
01:28:22,440 --> 01:28:24,659
telling us to follow me however

2089
01:28:24,659 --> 01:28:28,020
um you say that that you know the

2090
01:28:28,020 --> 01:28:29,639
question around ethics and transparency

2091
01:28:29,639 --> 01:28:32,820
all information that has been talked

2092
01:28:32,820 --> 01:28:34,980
about this is all public information I

2093
01:28:34,980 --> 01:28:36,300
don't think that you can get more

2094
01:28:36,300 --> 01:28:38,340
transparent than that

2095
01:28:38,340 --> 01:28:41,100
um and I I just again I find it kind of

2096
01:28:41,100 --> 01:28:43,199
odd that you would uh trying to

2097
01:28:43,199 --> 01:28:45,420
interject this into this phase of our

2098
01:28:45,420 --> 01:28:47,520
committee meeting and you're saying that

2099
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:48,239
we

2100
01:28:48,239 --> 01:28:49,860
language you just used a couple minutes

2101
01:28:49,860 --> 01:28:52,320
ago was that we are calling for an

2102
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:55,320
investigation and I would like to say I

2103
01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:56,600
oh

2104
01:28:56,600 --> 01:29:00,600
your I'll fix what I said I I just would

2105
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:02,280
like to would like to be clear about

2106
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:04,219
that um

2107
01:29:04,219 --> 01:29:06,540
uh president porterfield's point the

2108
01:29:06,540 --> 01:29:08,880
school district themselves was pretty

2109
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:10,739
clear that you know that this was

2110
01:29:10,739 --> 01:29:14,580
nothing that uh that's even alleged

2111
01:29:14,580 --> 01:29:16,800
um was illegal and I personally did not

2112
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:19,739
violate any standing policy that um that

2113
01:29:19,739 --> 01:29:21,719
was uh on the books in the school

2114
01:29:21,719 --> 01:29:24,600
district so with these things being said

2115
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:26,699
um what enterpack means that you know

2116
01:29:26,699 --> 01:29:29,400
there's a there's an element to uh

2117
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:30,719
Chicago grandstanding almost

2118
01:29:30,719 --> 01:29:32,760
criminalized

2119
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:35,820
um well there is there is so you're

2120
01:29:35,820 --> 01:29:37,920
saying so Salon clear you're saying that

2121
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:42,000
there is no element no not from you

2122
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:43,139
right that's what you're saying right

2123
01:29:43,139 --> 01:29:44,400
because you can speak to yourself I'm

2124
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:45,960
speaking of it myself so I will continue

2125
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:49,380
on my point so there is an element of of

2126
01:29:49,380 --> 01:29:51,780
that that we've seen um from the GOP you

2127
01:29:51,780 --> 01:29:53,040
know we're in a strong effort to try to

2128
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:56,280
criminalize uh myself and others you

2129
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:58,139
know around very significant things

2130
01:29:58,139 --> 01:30:00,900
since I've been in this seat uh you know

2131
01:30:00,900 --> 01:30:04,500
there has been claims uh but uh

2132
01:30:04,500 --> 01:30:07,560
hate meal to me my colleagues I've been

2133
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:11,040
uh accused of being I think I was a I'm

2134
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:12,179
gonna make sure I go through the whole

2135
01:30:12,179 --> 01:30:14,460
family I was a drug dealer

2136
01:30:14,460 --> 01:30:17,480
um someone that would hurt children

2137
01:30:17,480 --> 01:30:19,920
then now

2138
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:23,340
of defrauding that these type of things

2139
01:30:23,340 --> 01:30:25,920
is exactly to my early point is what you

2140
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:28,620
call criminalization and it is all

2141
01:30:28,620 --> 01:30:31,860
political theater and

2142
01:30:31,860 --> 01:30:34,980
I just think that it's pretty rich

2143
01:30:34,980 --> 01:30:37,679
um from considering the sources um I you

2144
01:30:37,679 --> 01:30:40,679
know you know all color people are

2145
01:30:40,679 --> 01:30:42,420
criminals and I think that we really

2146
01:30:42,420 --> 01:30:45,420
need to deal with the issues in the

2147
01:30:45,420 --> 01:30:47,340
appropriate way of introducing this at

2148
01:30:47,340 --> 01:30:51,900
this time again is another way to try to

2149
01:30:51,900 --> 01:30:55,699
spin up a news story

2150
01:30:55,699 --> 01:30:59,159
speaking Spanish story but the people's

2151
01:30:59,159 --> 01:31:01,920
connected me didn't collect me for a

2152
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,080
positive story or a negative story that

2153
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:06,360
elected me because of my 20 years over

2154
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:09,600
20 years of consistent leadership and

2155
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:12,300
dedication to my community and that's

2156
01:31:12,300 --> 01:31:14,699
not something that is really going to

2157
01:31:14,699 --> 01:31:17,580
change based on the criminalization of

2158
01:31:17,580 --> 01:31:20,340
myself or any other people on this so

2159
01:31:20,340 --> 01:31:23,460
with that I appreciate um your concern

2160
01:31:23,460 --> 01:31:25,199
to clear my name is that's how you're

2161
01:31:25,199 --> 01:31:27,420
framing I'm not really sure

2162
01:31:27,420 --> 01:31:30,540
um but I again I think it it not only is

2163
01:31:30,540 --> 01:31:33,900
it bizarre but it's equally bizarre as

2164
01:31:33,900 --> 01:31:36,239
it is really unsettling and the tension

2165
01:31:36,239 --> 01:31:38,280
is not lost on me and I don't think

2166
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:39,960
anybody else was witnessing this in this

2167
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:41,540
moment thank you

2168
01:31:41,540 --> 01:31:44,040
so this is not bizarre because we

2169
01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:46,199
usually do Personnel matters during this

2170
01:31:46,199 --> 01:31:50,219
time and claims and quite frankly when

2171
01:31:50,219 --> 01:31:51,659
there's

2172
01:31:51,659 --> 01:31:54,540
public money in play whether we're

2173
01:31:54,540 --> 01:31:57,719
talking about paying taxes or school

2174
01:31:57,719 --> 01:32:01,260
money which is public both local federal

2175
01:32:01,260 --> 01:32:02,580
and state

2176
01:32:02,580 --> 01:32:05,699
and there's serious accusations and

2177
01:32:05,699 --> 01:32:08,219
people are calling us and saying what's

2178
01:32:08,219 --> 01:32:10,560
the deal what's going on

2179
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:13,320
are there issues going on with Council

2180
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:14,820
money or not

2181
01:32:14,820 --> 01:32:18,420
I don't know I personally don't think so

2182
01:32:18,420 --> 01:32:20,400
um excuse me excuse me let me just

2183
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:22,080
interrupt you I'm not sure no I'm not

2184
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:23,460
sure what the council money means

2185
01:32:23,460 --> 01:32:26,460
because we all get city council money in

2186
01:32:26,460 --> 01:32:28,980
terms of the budget and that's what I'm

2187
01:32:28,980 --> 01:32:30,960
talking about so in terms is this

2188
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:32,480
another allegation

2189
01:32:32,480 --> 01:32:34,980
that's somebody okay so somebody did

2190
01:32:34,980 --> 01:32:37,500
call and asked about that then no wait a

2191
01:32:37,500 --> 01:32:39,960
minute Mr Farley was right I interrupted

2192
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:42,600
him and I let him speak and he was right

2193
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:44,100
I was wrong

2194
01:32:44,100 --> 01:32:46,980
I'm not finished when I'm done you're

2195
01:32:46,980 --> 01:32:48,600
able to speak all right and then we're

2196
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:51,000
going to end this conversation because

2197
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:53,400
um you know we as I said I am going to

2198
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:55,380
interrupt you here the school district

2199
01:32:55,380 --> 01:32:57,659
is or someone has already said that this

2200
01:32:57,659 --> 01:32:59,280
is being investigated by the state and

2201
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:00,540
State School Board

2202
01:33:00,540 --> 01:33:02,219
that's it and if there's an

2203
01:33:02,219 --> 01:33:04,020
investigation regarding taxes New York

2204
01:33:04,020 --> 01:33:06,840
state tax department has a an arm that

2205
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:07,920
does that

2206
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:09,719
so then as the leader of the city

2207
01:33:09,719 --> 01:33:12,120
council you're saying we should not ask

2208
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:14,159
for an investigation of one of our

2209
01:33:14,159 --> 01:33:16,280
members of serious

2210
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:18,960
improprietary allegations of public

2211
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:20,760
funds I'm saying those investigations

2212
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:22,620
are taking place by the bodies that are

2213
01:33:22,620 --> 01:33:26,159
involved ethics ethics is up to this

2214
01:33:26,159 --> 01:33:29,659
Bible so you're either saying yes or no no

2215
01:33:29,659 --> 01:33:33,320
I'm asking you and listen and I'm also

2216
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:36,300
investigation or even either answer yes

2217
01:33:36,300 --> 01:33:39,080
or no my answer is awesome

2218
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:41,400
excuse me you don't you don't get to

2219
01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:44,159
sell me yes or no I'm telling you why

2220
01:33:44,159 --> 01:33:46,760
you do it all the time

2221
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:49,320
I think you do okay it doesn't well

2222
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:51,000
that's your opinion I'm telling you this

2223
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:52,920
that there's already been it's already

2224
01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:55,500
been turned over to the State Board of

2225
01:33:55,500 --> 01:33:58,440
Education it's New York State uh

2226
01:33:58,440 --> 01:33:59,820
Department of Taxation Fields there

2227
01:33:59,820 --> 01:34:01,860
needs to be investigation they will do

2228
01:34:01,860 --> 01:34:04,199
that so then the answer to question to

2229
01:34:04,199 --> 01:34:06,440
you from you that is

2230
01:34:06,440 --> 01:34:08,639
the answer to your question is it's

2231
01:34:08,639 --> 01:34:10,739
being investigated that is the answer to

2232
01:34:10,739 --> 01:34:12,540
your question and I'm asking for this

2233
01:34:12,540 --> 01:34:15,000
you as our library why do we need

2234
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:16,380
additional investigations if they're

2235
01:34:16,380 --> 01:34:18,659
already being done because this is our

2236
01:34:18,659 --> 01:34:21,000
body and we're the city government and

2237
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:23,340
people are asking questions what are you

2238
01:34:23,340 --> 01:34:25,679
guys going to do about it and if we

2239
01:34:25,679 --> 01:34:28,020
don't investigate ourselves in terms of

2240
01:34:28,020 --> 01:34:30,000
public money then there's no

2241
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:33,480
accountability I disagree with that and

2242
01:34:33,480 --> 01:34:35,219
you and you can answer the people that

2243
01:34:35,219 --> 01:34:36,659
there are investigations taking place

2244
01:34:36,659 --> 01:34:38,639
already so then your answer to my

2245
01:34:38,639 --> 01:34:40,320
questions my answer to your question is

2246
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:42,239
no your investigations are taking place

2247
01:34:42,239 --> 01:34:43,980
you will not put words in my mouth that

2248
01:34:43,980 --> 01:34:46,320
is my answer because everybody can see

2249
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:48,480
what the answer is I think it's just

2250
01:34:48,480 --> 01:34:51,120
important um for me at this point to

2251
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:52,440
just really

2252
01:34:52,440 --> 01:34:55,139
um highlight the fact that

2253
01:34:55,139 --> 01:34:59,699
these type of tactics are really really

2254
01:34:59,699 --> 01:35:02,100
like morrising

2255
01:35:02,100 --> 01:35:04,440
um and Mr probably mean when you

2256
01:35:04,440 --> 01:35:06,420
introduce something into a conversation

2257
01:35:06,420 --> 01:35:08,520
to say nope you know people are asking

2258
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:12,659
me about city council money and just and

2259
01:35:12,659 --> 01:35:15,360
then to say oh you know all right you

2260
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:17,820
know is there something going on there I

2261
01:35:17,820 --> 01:35:20,760
don't know that is again another dog

2262
01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:23,820
whistle and you have been consistent um

2263
01:35:23,820 --> 01:35:27,179
with your doll whistles and your you

2264
01:35:27,179 --> 01:35:29,100
know really attempts to try to

2265
01:35:29,100 --> 01:35:31,620
criminalize certain people

2266
01:35:31,620 --> 01:35:33,719
um that are on the city council and I

2267
01:35:33,719 --> 01:35:36,900
happen to be one of those people again

2268
01:35:36,900 --> 01:35:40,260
our business of the city is what I would

2269
01:35:40,260 --> 01:35:43,320
much rather be spacing our time on

2270
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:45,600
um not wasting our time on with this but

2271
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:47,280
really dedicating to that just like

2272
01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:49,739
earlier Mr probably meaning when we're

2273
01:35:49,739 --> 01:35:50,960
talking about

2274
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:53,580
garbage cans and trying to figure out

2275
01:35:53,580 --> 01:35:55,500
where the place you know where the place

2276
01:35:55,500 --> 01:35:56,940
them are and then and get a clear

2277
01:35:56,940 --> 01:35:59,760
picture of that instead of accepting the

2278
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:01,620
fact like okay that's that's a

2279
01:36:01,620 --> 01:36:03,300
reasonable question and let's do this we

2280
01:36:03,300 --> 01:36:05,280
try to turn that into a power struggle

2281
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:07,920
you are clearly are an obstructionist

2282
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:10,320
and this is just you uh perpetuating

2283
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:12,420
that behavior and I really would

2284
01:36:12,420 --> 01:36:14,960
appreciate um if you at least had the

2285
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:17,100
integrity and if they need to just say

2286
01:36:17,100 --> 01:36:18,900
what's really on your mind stop trying

2287
01:36:18,900 --> 01:36:20,820
to proud of the people called me and

2288
01:36:20,820 --> 01:36:22,920
said and I don't know on this answer and

2289
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:24,300
just really be who you say you are but

2290
01:36:24,300 --> 01:36:25,800
that's why people have their faith in me

2291
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:27,900
thank you you're welcome but the

2292
01:36:27,900 --> 01:36:30,600
Integrity of this council is an aimed

2293
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:32,760
we're each of us you don't like it

2294
01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:35,520
that's for you to dislike or not like

2295
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:37,620
you want to talk about obstructionists

2296
01:36:37,620 --> 01:36:39,060
there's been nothing brought forward

2297
01:36:39,060 --> 01:36:41,820
from many members of this Council but

2298
01:36:41,820 --> 01:36:43,500
when they are they're consistently

2299
01:36:43,500 --> 01:36:46,860
objected to and that is proven all you

2300
01:36:46,860 --> 01:36:48,719
gotta do is watch the meetings there's

2301
01:36:48,719 --> 01:36:51,179
been a literate proposal that's been all

2302
01:36:51,179 --> 01:36:54,719
kinds of issues with uh specific stuff

2303
01:36:54,719 --> 01:36:56,699
that really had nothing to do with the

2304
01:36:56,699 --> 01:36:58,739
literate proposal itself there's been

2305
01:36:58,739 --> 01:37:01,860
obstruction of other issues that we

2306
01:37:01,860 --> 01:37:03,900
brought forward so we can talk about

2307
01:37:03,900 --> 01:37:06,480
obstructionists or not but the fact is

2308
01:37:06,480 --> 01:37:08,940
there were allegations made and they

2309
01:37:08,940 --> 01:37:11,580
deserved some sort of hearing now

2310
01:37:11,580 --> 01:37:15,600
whether or not they're true or not isn't

2311
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:18,659
for me to determine you to determine is

2312
01:37:18,659 --> 01:37:20,400
for somebody else to determine that's

2313
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:23,040
why there would be an investigation and

2314
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:24,780
you want to talk about dog whistles

2315
01:37:24,780 --> 01:37:26,580
you're the one that blows the dog

2316
01:37:26,580 --> 01:37:29,100
whistles every time because it's

2317
01:37:29,100 --> 01:37:32,820
distract and deflect from an issue of

2318
01:37:32,820 --> 01:37:34,920
seriousness and that's what's going on

2319
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:38,400
here and continuously happens every time

2320
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:41,699
something happens there is a distract

2321
01:37:41,699 --> 01:37:43,739
and deflect method

2322
01:37:43,739 --> 01:37:46,139
so with that I'll be done Miss Miss

2323
01:37:46,139 --> 01:37:48,060
Patrick do you want to move over the

2324
01:37:48,060 --> 01:37:51,600
place I do yep so we have three items on

2325
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:52,920
the agenda

2326
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:54,840
um one

2327
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:56,960
um is Safeco Insurance

2328
01:37:56,960 --> 01:37:59,639
ASO Jonathan Miller versus the city of

2329
01:37:59,639 --> 01:38:01,860
Schenectady the next is ramen and Paulie

2330
01:38:01,860 --> 01:38:03,600
versus city of Schenectady and the final

2331
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:06,300
one is Southside Development LLC versus

2332
01:38:06,300 --> 01:38:08,219
city of Schenectady all three of these

2333
01:38:08,219 --> 01:38:11,040
need to be addressed in executive

2334
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:13,800
session they all yes and the reason why

2335
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:16,440
you want to go to Executive session has

2336
01:38:16,440 --> 01:38:18,179
to do with negotiating settlements of

2337
01:38:18,179 --> 01:38:21,840
litigation which is an exception to the

2338
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:23,580
open meetings law the purposes of

2339
01:38:23,580 --> 01:38:25,860
executive session thank you so I'd like

2340
01:38:25,860 --> 01:38:26,699
to

2341
01:38:26,699 --> 01:38:29,639
um call us to be able to go into

2342
01:38:29,639 --> 01:38:31,380
executive session may I have a motion

2343
01:38:31,380 --> 01:38:33,120
for that so

2344
01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:34,219
um

2345
01:38:34,219 --> 01:38:38,960
I need a second I'm sorry okay okay

2346
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:41,159
so we're going to go into the executive

2347
01:38:41,159 --> 01:38:43,400
session