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curbside trash committee meeting on

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Thursday April 6th 6 p.m in the veterans

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room uh roll call Council marketing is

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here

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the concert Steve is on his way uh

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Health direct inspector Daniel suik is

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on his way as well we had another

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meeting we were at for the health member

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Daniel globalski yeah assistant member

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Kevin Buxton President Steve Gregoire

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president Mark LaToy here Kathy boner

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here

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a personal owner of Liz are minutes of

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the March 16th 2023 everybody have a

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chance to look at them

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anything okay with them

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I'm doing them

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you want to take a minute to look at him

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that's fine

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uh I pretty much follow I I'm recording

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it so everybody knows I am recording the

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meeting so I'm kind of following it

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so I think you could tell by the end I

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was just saying further discussion I was

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getting tired

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curbside trash collection Southbridge

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before we start doing any votes I just

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want to do a quick recap of what we've

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talked about so far and then I'd like

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everybody if you'd like to speak that's

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fine uh back in November we started this

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committee our charge was basically just

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to look explore pay as you throw that

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was all right that was our only charge

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however what the discussions that became

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apparent that pay as you throw program

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would not be enough to cover the cost so

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we started looking at other costs so

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property tax flat fee Enterprise fund or

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a user fee pay as you throw in December

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our first order of business was the

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discussion of the survey to send out

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with the census the survey was created

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we also the IT department created the

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website excuse me and we also talked

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about building issues with the

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assessor's office by January we were

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discussing the RFP draft with the

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creation of an Enterprise fund with

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McCall and harness Ms harnoy's made some

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comments about

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associating an Enterprise fund for

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curbside would be self-sustaining

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funding would cover all expenses she

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also thought it would be easier to do a

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tax general fund because of her concerns

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about enforcement what happens if people

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don't pay

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then in later in January Miss gong and

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then discuss pay as you throw options

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explained how it worked cost of the bags

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and savings

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we started the discussion of a flat fee

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Mr Gregor presented a draft of his plan

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by the end of January there was an

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update of RFP Miss congen raised the

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billing issue again billing department

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private billing staffing issues we are

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talking about a potential cost to

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residents for bags we spoke about

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possibly using some royalty funds which

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right now is at 3.9 million there was a

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discussion with Mr Mr Gregor's funding

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options in February we did survey

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results started to come in we spoke

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about the user fees or number one

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which is a pay as you throw bag taxes

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with number two flat view is number

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three most of the respondents for

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homeowners and renters most of the Town

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information was gathered from mailers

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social media and the town websites many

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residents attended our meetings and said

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they would did not have enough

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information information about the cost

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to make a a decision and there were

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questions about the toters we are

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keeping the toners uh in March waste

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zero representative came here and gave

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us a presentation on the bag program

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there was further discussion on the RFP

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uh we have three interested haulers at

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the time Casella waste management and

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Republic

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we also talked about the survey results

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again

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user fee was again number one flat fee

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became number two and taxes was number

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three

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I went out in March and talked to the

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seniors I talked to Latino groups I

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talked to the downtown partnership Miss

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Condon was there Mr gravoski was there

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at the meetings I reached out to the

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landlords and I've reached out to the

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churches about this program March 16th

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we approved applying for a community

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compact prep for a cost benefit analysis

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if we end up doing a a flat fee

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Enterprise fund we are going to have to

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have a benefit analysis done on a what

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it would take to start an Enterprise

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fund we had a presentation on billing

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from Francine Ireland we looked at the

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user survey results again user fee was

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still number one it's been number one

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all along taxes and flat fee was pretty

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close to each other

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again we discussion of the RFP we did a

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straw poll since our last meeting we

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have received additional rfps and

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additional updates on the survey

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my plan is to address the council Monday

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April 10th at 7 pm if any of the

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committee members want to attend that

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meeting you are welcome to attend I'd

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welcome you to be there and I will let

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you I think you should all if you want

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to speak to the council I think that is

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would be a good idea Miss congen if you

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would like to be there it might be

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beneficial if you were there as well I

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believe that this committee is on

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schedule according to my notes from our

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very first meeting you had scheduled

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April to look at the RFP in details

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so here we are tonight we're going to

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start we're going to speak about what

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this committee wants to do as far as far

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as the different programs

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so I've taken a look at all all the

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programs and I'll let everybody speak as

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well we looked at the user fee where the

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town would purchase Tom bags such as

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colored bags with a down seal uh we we

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talked about the cost and ranges from a

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buck and a half to two and a half bucks

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for a 33 gallon bag a dollar to 1.25 for

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a smaller bag

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the bags are usually sold in 10 bag

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rolls

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we would be keeping the toters so the

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bags that the residents would purchase

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would go inside the toters the pay as

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you throw

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saves a ton of money by reducing trash

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it reduces disposal costs

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they say that there's most communities

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that start this they see a 30 percent

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drop in their trash

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most of the residents who responded to

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this survey

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overwhelmingly chose pay as you throw as

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an option but as we know pay as you

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throw would not be enough to cover the

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entire cost of our utility bill I mean

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now you tell you though I'm in the trash

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program so then we looked at a flat fee

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such as a utility bill would be paid

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quarterly like water and sewer sewer the

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pros of a flat fee is that it's fairer

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than a property tax it's not based on

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their property values if you have three

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Apartments there would be three bills

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correct yeah

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and then also as a dedicated funding

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source the con in my opinion told flat

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feet per state law homeowners can opt

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out

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the more residents opt out potentially

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the greater cost of those who don't opt

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out it's also difficult for the hauler

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to set a price when he's not sure of the

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number of people that are in the program

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uh however a homeowner if he does opt

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out would have to provide proof that

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their crash is being picked up by a

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licensed private hauler and I did have

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some questions about that

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if they have a dumpster is that enough

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proof or if they use a transfer station

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is that proof enough that they they need

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to give you a receipt of who where

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they're going all right

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and it really cannot be you can't have

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any legal transfer station to say then

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bring it to work that that's not it and

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then the final option is a property tax

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homeowners cannot opt out curbside

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programs paid for profit attacks since

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every homeowner pays including the

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businesses the prowess of it is that the

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trash will get picked up the con it's

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based on the value of your home whether

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you have one family or three family you

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all pay the same the the issue with flat

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fee and property taxes is that there's

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no incentive to the risk to reduce the

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trash so it's good to have a bag program

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to help reduce the trash so now I'll go

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around the room and if anybody wants to

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speak go right ahead we'll start with

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you Mr burlesque just for the reasons

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you said about the opting out people can

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opt out that that really scares me

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because you know people are going to do

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that

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I don't care what my neighbor's house is

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worth I just want I just want a peace of

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mind also my trash is going to get

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picked up

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the one reason why that's really like

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I've never had a problem where it hasn't

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been picked up if you have a flat feet

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it's going to work out it's mostly the

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time when we have issues with

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communities that haven't had a program

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like Oxford does not have a town program

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not knowing how many households is an

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issue when they were looking at going to

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a curbside program you have carts on the

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ground we know how many households are

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in town that is so a hauler is not

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coming in here blindsided going oh is

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this going to be

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this many households or that many houses

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because you have private subscription

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um that is not the case for Southbridge

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the cost between your contract cost and

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a private subscription is dramatic so

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residents that choose not to participate

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it's only going to be a very few

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and it's very unlikely and really would

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not impact

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the cost that greatly if you're just

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having a few

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households are

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so if it goes to the flat feed so

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basically the Town Council hammers this

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out and that's it and then it goes to

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the people

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right so that in other words the people

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don't have any say about that other than

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what the Town Council gives them am I

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correct if it goes to attacks

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right other than that it doesn't go on a

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ballot it does not so you're telling

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people in this town this is the trash

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this is the way it is if it's a flat

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feet there's

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what happens if taxes get shot down at

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Council and then we start over no no you

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can't start over you go to private trash

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tell the truth

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private trash

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and there's a mess so you can't do that

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so we can't start over there's not

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enough time yeah the most important but

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either way whatever we decide I'll go

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with because I'm not gonna know whatever

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you can drive to people vote for that's

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what I'll go for it because I have no

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choice

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but the real biggest thing is about the

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enforcement of all this is right now we

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don't have the recycling because because

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um we have these bins that are overfill

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because nobody nobody you know you can

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see the bottles coming out of the trash

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who's gonna who's gonna take care of

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that so we have to go with the pays you

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throw a bag program in a cart then the

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when it gets flipped over you will see

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what your color that you pick and then

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they write down it what it is so I just

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did a video on that for um what is being

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done in Fall River and in Upton and so

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those two communities have that and they

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can easily and then she writes a letter

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and yeah but who's automatically who's

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gonna do that right there needs to be

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another person what we kind of talked

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about there we need to have at least two

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people so you're gonna have to hire

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somebody we already discussed that that

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was perfect I just want to make

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everything clear just so like what's

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going on yeah yeah so that's pretty much

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it okay

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um

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so I think my point has been

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quasi-consistent along the way here

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um

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I was looking at a few options as far as

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taxes and

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uh what Flappy would look like and just

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you know a real quick number if the

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town's budget incorrectly if I'm wrong

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is in and around 50 million dollars

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right is that about right the annual

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operating budget for the town

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tax increase approximately to raise two

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million dollars

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so on a 400 000 house which a lot of the

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nice houses in this town are worth with

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this Market 400 000 you're going to pay

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an extra sixteen hundred no three

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percent less than that

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thirteen hundred bucks a year in tax for

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your average single family home

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for your one bag of trash and your

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average multi-family which has a lower

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value because they just don't look as

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nice they're gonna pay

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eight hundred dollars a year eight

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hundred dollars for tax for trash

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completely unfair in my opinion the more

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Equitable option will be a flat fee I've

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got some different ideas what a flat

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view would look like but in the end it

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won't be my choice and I'm really torn

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down the line even walking into tonight

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if we should go straight flat feet

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or flat fee with a partial offset in

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bags

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I like the idea of adding bags to it

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because it gives people that don't use

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as much trash a chance to save on the

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program

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however

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the Democratic demographic in this town

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bothered me I think you're gonna have

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people trying to find ways to cheat the

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system or plain old dumping it on the

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sidewalk it worries me I know I'm not

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going to be that way and most of us here

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in the room aren't going to be that way

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but we all know who we're talking about

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here

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um and I don't want to see that happen

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so I'm torn whether I want to go or vote

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for a flat fee or a flat fee with bags

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um but you know Dan I know we don't

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agree on this but I do want I think it's

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great that we we're pretty civil up here

363
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right thank you absolutely that's that's

364
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all I have okay

365
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Kathy

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I'm still torn I mean

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you know we raise the taxes

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working with the elderly like I do

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nobody can afford it I'm sorry

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I mean a collection

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I'm thinking more along the lines at

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this point than Steve is with maybe the

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flat feet if we can keep that low and go

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with the bags as well

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[Music]

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I mean I can't afford an increase in

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taxes like that can you not talk while

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somebody else is speaking please I mean

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I couldn't afford an increase in taxes

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like that either I mean what the heck

381
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I'm still a part I'm I'm part of the tax

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rebate program and I'm you know trying

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to get my hours in just so I can get

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something taken off

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um to help decrease that cost but if we

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have to go I'm I'm with both at that

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point

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and I know that most of the seniors

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we've talked to have said no they'd just

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rather do it with the taxes because they

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just can't get out there to do it any

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otherwise and they and they can't afford

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it it's a hard it's a hard cross and I

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mean if we only knew how many seniors we

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did have in this town as far as you know

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who couldn't couldn't afford it those I

397
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talked to Camp well we got four up here

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well yeah that's true

399
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and their houses are nice

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are you all set Kathy in our assessment

401
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shows are you also important yes I am

402
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Council Steve's we're talking about the

403
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different plans what you want to go with

404
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yeah we haven't voted yet we're just

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speaking about it well I'm inclined to

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think of

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um

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I tend to like the idea of doing the

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bags but I can understand what a lot of

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people are saying and unfortunately I

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walk in the middle of the conversation

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upstairs

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um but from the previous conversations

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we've had I can also understand

415
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obviously we need to talk about this

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some sort of a funding that will cover

417
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pretty much everybody because the uh the

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cost and and I totally I totally

419
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understand what you're saying Kathy

420
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um about there's so many people out

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there who do not really

422
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I don't think they really know how much

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they can afford and a lot of people

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already can't afford it I know I can't

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um

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it's

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we're not voting yet we're just talking

428
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about right now I know I get it and uh

429
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some of the numbers we've already been

430
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throwing around just even with the the

431
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tax rates that we've seen to date

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um plus some of the other stuff that we

433
00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,620
know is coming down the pike or right

434
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kill a whole bunch

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um

436
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but we need to do all of this stuff so

437
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what how do we how do we balance these

438
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needs

439
00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:04,860
that's really the kind of Crisis we're

440
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in right now

441
00:17:07,919 --> 00:17:09,360
okay

442
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what's up for the moment all right

443
00:17:14,699 --> 00:17:17,579
um well I'm I'm uh

444
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I'm in favor of the service charge or

445
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flat fee uh I'm inflated I'm in favor of

446
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um at least some kind of escalation for

447
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multi-families even if it's a small

448
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amount in other words if and when we get

449
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the numbers and we can actually figure

450
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out what it's costing a single family

451
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home let's say if it's costing a single

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family home uh fifty dollars a quarter

453
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ah two families they should be paying 55

454
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just a 10 increase the person right

455
00:17:50,820 --> 00:17:53,520
three families per unit three families

456
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same situation just 55. at least you're

457
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making that extra additional money for

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these multi-families

459
00:18:01,140 --> 00:18:04,200
um but then again we need to look at the

460
00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,120
percentage how many single family what

461
00:18:06,120 --> 00:18:07,740
percentage of single families and

462
00:18:07,740 --> 00:18:10,559
multi-families do we have how many units

463
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do we have in multi-families and how

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will that change the numbers

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um as far as the service fee I think the

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service fee should cover

467
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95 of the cost of the RFP

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the bags which I will agree I I cannot

469
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deny that bags would correct

470
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the the trash problem we've had in this

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town ever since we've started curbside

472
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pickup

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so I have to in some way say yes it has

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to be a very low cost bag I agree uh

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that's one of the reasons why we we

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gather all our Revenue we need in the

477
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service fee right and the bags are just

478
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maybe can be considered an inflation

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control for as the Enterprise fund

480
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builds up we have additional cash to

481
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cover either inflation or additional

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operations like transfer stations

483
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whatever but um as fast taxes go the

484
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only reason I see a tax item

485
00:19:16,380 --> 00:19:19,100
in the trash pickup is if you want to

486
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guesstimate just guess the myth what it

487
00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,020
costs the municipal properties to be

488
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picked up

489
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yes you could put a line item for

490
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um

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Municipal trash pickup and add that to

492
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the Enterprise fund but it shouldn't be

493
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an amount that needs to go to the voters

494
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it should just be a line item

495
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and that's pretty much what I expect

496
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okay all right Mark I think that

497
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um I don't know forever being on for

498
00:19:50,460 --> 00:19:53,520
being on my first committee I there's a

499
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lot of stuff that went through my head

500
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first is that

501
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I've seen Irene and I've seen the person

502
00:20:02,580 --> 00:20:04,799
from way zero come here and their

503
00:20:04,799 --> 00:20:06,480
salesman for the vet program they're

504
00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,299
funded buy bags

505
00:20:08,299 --> 00:20:10,740
your pushing the back program I've seen

506
00:20:10,740 --> 00:20:12,480
the back program be pushed I've also

507
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,400
heard about a camera on the top of

508
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garbage truck for the first time ever

509
00:20:15,900 --> 00:20:18,480
that can spot a tick on a squirrel's

510
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,419
behind from 100 yards how have we not

511
00:20:21,419 --> 00:20:23,760
enforced anything now yeah it's funny

512
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,860
but it's not how have we not enforced

513
00:20:25,860 --> 00:20:28,200
one thing right now and you're telling

514
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me by Chain by changing the color of our

515
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,640
bag all of a sudden this do-it-all

516
00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,980
camera is going to solve all of

517
00:20:34,980 --> 00:20:38,039
suffrage's trash problems there's no way

518
00:20:38,039 --> 00:20:40,320
that bag is going in there and it's

519
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:44,340
going off and now we have bags which

520
00:20:44,340 --> 00:20:46,620
they can change the rate on the bags and

521
00:20:46,620 --> 00:20:48,240
you have something else whether it's a

522
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,940
flat fee or taxes now you have two

523
00:20:50,940 --> 00:20:53,960
different animals that the town can

524
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,940
raise that you you gave the town two

525
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ways to raise money they can raise the

526
00:21:00,179 --> 00:21:02,400
bags if there's a shortfall or they can

527
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change the fee whether it's taxes or a

528
00:21:04,740 --> 00:21:07,140
flat fee it can be raised you gave the

529
00:21:07,140 --> 00:21:10,320
town two ways to do it I think that

530
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,020
there's a gentleman here that stated

531
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somebody has lived somewhere else and

532
00:21:15,059 --> 00:21:16,980
they have property here that person

533
00:21:16,980 --> 00:21:18,660
doesn't want to see the property tax go

534
00:21:18,660 --> 00:21:20,760
up if it's a flat fee they can opt out

535
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,860
that would be one of the times a flat

536
00:21:22,860 --> 00:21:24,780
fee somebody would be able to opt out I

537
00:21:24,780 --> 00:21:26,880
think they should have the option I also

538
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,159
think that if you have

539
00:21:29,159 --> 00:21:31,980
10 people that are

540
00:21:31,980 --> 00:21:34,799
applying for a service and you have one

541
00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:36,179
person trying to do a private service

542
00:21:36,179 --> 00:21:38,580
that there's no way that that one person

543
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is going to pay less than the 10 people

544
00:21:41,159 --> 00:21:43,919
it's impossible it doesn't it it's you'd

545
00:21:43,919 --> 00:21:47,159
be throwing money out just to spite the

546
00:21:47,159 --> 00:21:48,419
system

547
00:21:48,419 --> 00:21:51,840
there's that's I mean that's pretty much

548
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,720
my thing my in the as far as the

549
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,039
multi-families

550
00:21:56,039 --> 00:21:58,860
I don't feel bad if everybody pays their

551
00:21:58,860 --> 00:22:00,840
fair share no it's about time I don't

552
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,480
feel bad I lost my dashboard coming down

553
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,080
Denison drive so I'd like to find a way

554
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,900
for pavement to go there and adding

555
00:22:09,900 --> 00:22:12,659
making the taxes so ridiculous that we

556
00:22:12,659 --> 00:22:15,960
can't do it you know anybody here that

557
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,600
wants to have the taxes raised doesn't

558
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,039
have a problem with our roads or

559
00:22:20,039 --> 00:22:34,210
infrastructure

560
00:22:34,220 --> 00:22:37,559
to my opinion in all fairness I I would

561
00:22:37,559 --> 00:22:41,100
I thought about this and

562
00:22:41,100 --> 00:22:44,460
I look at the flat fee as being

563
00:22:44,460 --> 00:22:49,080
advantageous uh and being fair Equitable

564
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:49,740
um

565
00:22:49,740 --> 00:22:53,100
and and the best solution now more

566
00:22:53,100 --> 00:22:55,080
importantly I look at

567
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,539
the options in respect to what would

568
00:22:57,539 --> 00:23:00,179
mitigate the amount of trouble the

569
00:23:00,179 --> 00:23:03,059
amount of trash accumulation the amount

570
00:23:03,059 --> 00:23:05,039
of non-compliance

571
00:23:05,039 --> 00:23:09,299
and respect to any of those changes I I

572
00:23:09,299 --> 00:23:12,059
personally feel that this is going to be

573
00:23:12,059 --> 00:23:14,360
a challenging coming to my department

574
00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:16,080
and

575
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,159
um

576
00:23:17,159 --> 00:23:20,520
I I think I think it's going to be a

577
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,200
challenge in many different different

578
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,299
levels and with many different variables

579
00:23:27,299 --> 00:23:30,720
but ultimately it to conclude it's it's

580
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,340
going to be a challenge that presents

581
00:23:32,340 --> 00:23:34,440
itself we'll face this Challenge and be

582
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,480
able to do it but

583
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,960
um uh the significance of it is is there

584
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,080
and it's it's it's got to be there we

585
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,059
recognize that challenge is going to

586
00:23:45,059 --> 00:23:47,000
have to be met

587
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,260
whether it's going to be completely

588
00:23:49,260 --> 00:23:52,080
unprecedented uh that's the question of

589
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,240
what level as you said but taking it in

590
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,000
variables and the factors I feel that a

591
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,799
flat fee Associated will make it more

592
00:23:58,799 --> 00:24:03,620
fair and will ultimately uh not not

593
00:24:03,620 --> 00:24:06,539
increase the amount of non-compliance

594
00:24:06,539 --> 00:24:09,179
which leads to trouble that's my honest

595
00:24:09,179 --> 00:24:10,559
opinion

596
00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:12,720
okay thank you

597
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,520
all right but before I go around the

598
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,620
room Mr Tom manager is Tim still here

599
00:24:16,620 --> 00:24:18,179
did you want to speak to this oh yes

600
00:24:18,179 --> 00:24:19,679
yeah you asked us to come in here

601
00:24:19,679 --> 00:24:21,600
provide information on what we've

602
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,820
received on the request proposal so we

603
00:24:23,820 --> 00:24:27,200
can mentioned so I'll pass these out

604
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,700
thank you sir

605
00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:45,310
thank you

606
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,020
okay so as you mentioned uh

607
00:24:49,020 --> 00:24:51,360
councilman Kennedy that on February 17th

608
00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:53,520
we did uh advertise for request for

609
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,200
proposals

610
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,700
um we received two proposals today from

611
00:24:59,700 --> 00:25:01,320
Friends capable of providing the

612
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,320
services requested one proposal was from

613
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,720
Casella Waste Management obviously was

614
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,179
currently providing the services and the

615
00:25:09,179 --> 00:25:11,700
second one is from Waste Management

616
00:25:11,700 --> 00:25:12,919
um

617
00:25:12,919 --> 00:25:15,480
we've had a series of questions we've

618
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,700
had a few rounds of interviews regarding

619
00:25:17,700 --> 00:25:19,200
questions and clarification on the

620
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,080
proposals since this is not a project

621
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,179
subject to 30p the town has the ability

622
00:25:24,179 --> 00:25:26,460
to negotiate a final contract

623
00:25:26,460 --> 00:25:28,260
the Review Committee expects that'll

624
00:25:28,260 --> 00:25:30,360
return over the next month or so but we

625
00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:31,799
do want to give you the information that

626
00:25:31,799 --> 00:25:34,620
we had from what has been perceived the

627
00:25:34,620 --> 00:25:36,600
costs received in these proposals range

628
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:41,039
from 2.1 million to 2.24 million these

629
00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:42,720
costs are for the base cost for the

630
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,140
first year beginning March 25th 2024 of

631
00:25:46,140 --> 00:25:47,760
curbside collection for municipal and

632
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,580
solid waste recyclables and yard waste

633
00:25:50,580 --> 00:25:52,080
from the residents of the town and the

634
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,120
town facilities that were based enlisted

635
00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:56,059
in the RFP

636
00:25:56,059 --> 00:25:58,500
at this time and for the purpose of

637
00:25:58,500 --> 00:26:01,740
budgeting as you you know discuss the

638
00:26:01,740 --> 00:26:04,919
best way to fund this we recommend that

639
00:26:04,919 --> 00:26:07,320
the town budget 2.35 million dollars

640
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,360
which is the high end of the range it

641
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:11,779
includes a 5 contingency

642
00:26:11,779 --> 00:26:14,700
and so I don't know if you have anything

643
00:26:14,700 --> 00:26:16,740
to add this was a subcommittee or a

644
00:26:16,740 --> 00:26:19,140
committee Review Committee but myself

645
00:26:19,140 --> 00:26:22,200
Anna and uh Mike cipione from Western

646
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,640
and Samson

647
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,500
yeah I mean I don't think I can add

648
00:26:25,500 --> 00:26:27,900
anything with any questions I guess we

649
00:26:27,900 --> 00:26:30,900
could answer questions

650
00:26:30,900 --> 00:26:33,900
oh yeah I had a chance to think at all

651
00:26:33,900 --> 00:26:36,720
about what this would cost the uh each

652
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,820
resident each homeowner you haven't even

653
00:26:38,820 --> 00:26:41,880
really couldn't break it up that way yet

654
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,100
we haven't really done that in other

655
00:26:44,100 --> 00:26:46,080
words uh it would be easy enough to do

656
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,640
okay

657
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,039
what I just need the collection number

658
00:26:50,039 --> 00:26:53,460
what is it which is 2.359 that's the

659
00:26:53,460 --> 00:26:56,039
whole thing that's including disposal I

660
00:26:56,039 --> 00:26:57,480
think that's the question and I promise

661
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,179
my computer is so that's the full budget

662
00:27:00,179 --> 00:27:02,700
we were estimating about 2 million and

663
00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:05,779
then this is saying 2.5

664
00:27:05,779 --> 00:27:08,820
2.35 but even even the front thing is

665
00:27:08,820 --> 00:27:10,500
going to be responsible for the disposal

666
00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:13,679
cost yeah so it needs to be broken down

667
00:27:13,679 --> 00:27:15,480
it's just

668
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:22,570
for some reason my computer is

669
00:27:22,580 --> 00:27:25,620
n't it I don't know why I'm I'm stuck

670
00:27:25,620 --> 00:27:27,679
I'm just wondering

671
00:27:27,679 --> 00:27:37,870
get rid of my squares

672
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,960
while we're waiting on that I'm gonna go

673
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,299
around the room any residents have any

674
00:27:42,299 --> 00:27:44,340
questions I'm gonna go with Kevin first

675
00:27:44,340 --> 00:27:57,590
is

676
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,340
after it goes upstairs and they make a

677
00:27:59,340 --> 00:28:01,190
decision

678
00:28:01,190 --> 00:28:06,289
[Music]

679
00:28:06,299 --> 00:28:24,549
um

680
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:27,059
we have to leave

681
00:28:27,059 --> 00:28:29,640
but exactly thank you but nothing's

682
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,020
getting done

683
00:28:31,020 --> 00:28:34,100
well part of the program

684
00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:37,200
we are just going to recommend what type

685
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:42,430
of programs

686
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,120
we're just going we're just going to

687
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,220
recommend what

688
00:28:47,220 --> 00:28:49,740
uh mechanism

689
00:28:49,740 --> 00:28:52,559
for paying for the program it's up to

690
00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:55,980
the town leaders to put together a

691
00:28:55,980 --> 00:28:56,760
program

692
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,120
for enforcement and uh that's probably

693
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,980
going to be part of

694
00:29:01,980 --> 00:29:03,900
whatever program we choose if we go with

695
00:29:03,900 --> 00:29:05,340
a flat feed and be covered by the

696
00:29:05,340 --> 00:29:07,020
Enterprise of course when it comes with

697
00:29:07,020 --> 00:29:08,900
every bag so

698
00:29:08,900 --> 00:29:12,480
part of part of the bag program some of

699
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,159
the enforcement about all of it but some

700
00:29:14,159 --> 00:29:16,200
of it will be done by the people who

701
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,480
provide us with the bags they would be

702
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,159
sending out letters to telling people

703
00:29:20,159 --> 00:29:23,760
that you have not complied the truck is

704
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,380
supposed to have a camera on it which

705
00:29:25,380 --> 00:29:27,960
they tell us can see if there's a bag

706
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,120
some communities have done away with

707
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,039
toters so the bags are right out there

708
00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:34,799
and they can see the color of them I

709
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:35,940
don't have a problem with that myself

710
00:29:35,940 --> 00:29:38,700
but we don't know yet what's going to

711
00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:40,980
happen with our toters I know that we've

712
00:29:40,980 --> 00:29:42,360
been told we're going to keep the toners

713
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:43,919
but we don't know if we're going to keep

714
00:29:43,919 --> 00:29:46,919
the toners right now right the way our

715
00:29:46,919 --> 00:29:49,140
bylar is set right now I believe we're

716
00:29:49,140 --> 00:29:50,520
supposed to have to play a trash bags

717
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,279
actually it doesn't say that I looked it

718
00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:54,600
up a couple days ago it actually doesn't

719
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,700
and whether it's the one on the website

720
00:29:56,700 --> 00:29:59,399
but to get back to your point

721
00:29:59,399 --> 00:30:02,700
Hannah has been proposing to hiring two

722
00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:05,580
people for in her Department which would

723
00:30:05,580 --> 00:30:09,559
be covered by I had this information

724
00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:12,059
well we have to hire somebody to enforce

725
00:30:12,059 --> 00:30:13,200
them

726
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,640
if you want it enforced there has to be

727
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,580
it's going to be enforced by the hauler

728
00:30:16,580 --> 00:30:19,980
and somebody works we need to change the

729
00:30:19,980 --> 00:30:21,000
number

730
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,440
thank you all right George I think he's

731
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,260
gonna send out your question here

732
00:30:27,260 --> 00:30:30,779
the question here even though it's not

733
00:30:30,779 --> 00:30:32,460
mandated but it gave you a mandate on

734
00:30:32,460 --> 00:30:35,700
which way to go right and and that's not

735
00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:37,020
in taxes

736
00:30:37,020 --> 00:30:39,600
uh I don't think the tax is the way to

737
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,340
go uh

738
00:30:41,340 --> 00:30:43,919
because it's it's not actually a fair

739
00:30:43,919 --> 00:30:46,679
cost of the trash pickup for the whole

740
00:30:46,679 --> 00:30:49,320
Community as a whole uh and it's not

741
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,919
fair to local industry to pay for a

742
00:30:52,919 --> 00:30:54,779
substantial cost of having their trash

743
00:30:54,779 --> 00:30:57,539
removed and then also paying in their

744
00:30:57,539 --> 00:30:59,960
tax in their tax base

745
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:04,020
a user fee Enterprise fund I think is a

746
00:31:04,020 --> 00:31:06,840
way to go a pay as you go uh I know

747
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,000
there was concern with Paige you know is

748
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,620
that we may not meet the uh necessary

749
00:31:13,620 --> 00:31:18,299
quote that is going to be built but as I

750
00:31:18,299 --> 00:31:20,820
heard through the program and the few

751
00:31:20,820 --> 00:31:23,580
times I did come that the pages row will

752
00:31:23,580 --> 00:31:26,539
pay for itself and that is substantial

753
00:31:26,539 --> 00:31:29,460
uh lots of people say we're not going to

754
00:31:29,460 --> 00:31:30,720
do it we're going to go some elsewhere

755
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,760
it's very low in numbers

756
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,919
so if you if you take the Enterprise

757
00:31:34,919 --> 00:31:38,880
front or use the screen uh I believe

758
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,059
we've heard through here that one to

759
00:31:42,059 --> 00:31:44,760
four families we're mandated if you have

760
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,559
some type of trash pickup that they

761
00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:48,299
equally share the cost

762
00:31:48,299 --> 00:31:51,720
so by using a user fee and writing into

763
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,799
the regulation per unit covers you up to

764
00:31:55,799 --> 00:31:58,799
a full family so that single family home

765
00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:01,380
is going to pay x amount of dollars and

766
00:32:01,380 --> 00:32:03,779
that for family home is going to pay the

767
00:32:03,779 --> 00:32:06,179
same amount of money per unit

768
00:32:06,179 --> 00:32:08,700
and I think that's the way to go the

769
00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:11,159
enforcement is going to come is

770
00:32:11,159 --> 00:32:13,320
five families in US

771
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,740
and they're not gonna they're gonna not

772
00:32:16,740 --> 00:32:18,600
even be part of this thing because the

773
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,059
regulation is going to force them into a

774
00:32:21,059 --> 00:32:24,840
dumpster and and it the enforcement of

775
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,460
that dumpster will become with the Board

776
00:32:26,460 --> 00:32:30,120
of Health so it's it's Germany how many

777
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,740
units we have that are going to be

778
00:32:31,740 --> 00:32:34,320
eligible for trash pickup and then how

779
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,880
many units are not going to be eligible

780
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,620
for trash pickup and that's the five

781
00:32:37,620 --> 00:32:40,559
families or more and then then industry

782
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:43,260
in those five families are going to

783
00:32:43,260 --> 00:32:45,600
either submit a lettuce and this is how

784
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,580
we handle our trash and they're not

785
00:32:47,580 --> 00:32:50,159
going to pay attention so I I just think

786
00:32:50,159 --> 00:32:52,080
it's important that committee look at

787
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,020
the restart

788
00:32:54,020 --> 00:32:59,640
or the uh pay as you go system user fee

789
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,679
you've mixed it up a little bit the user

790
00:33:01,679 --> 00:33:03,720
fee is the pay as you throw it's the

791
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,299
flat fee okay so yes it's the flat fee

792
00:33:06,299 --> 00:33:07,820
yeah

793
00:33:07,820 --> 00:33:10,440
I think it's it's important to go either

794
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,100
way uh this way it's equally shared by

795
00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:17,100
each unit okay uh I think it's important

796
00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:18,179
because people don't want to pay more

797
00:33:18,179 --> 00:33:20,820
taxes we got a tax increase coming with

798
00:33:20,820 --> 00:33:23,340
the regular budget you've got the fire

799
00:33:23,340 --> 00:33:25,380
station come in online and then if you

800
00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:27,659
go with taxes on the trash you know what

801
00:33:27,659 --> 00:33:31,159
people aren't going for it

802
00:33:31,159 --> 00:33:33,179
thank you and thank you for the work

803
00:33:33,179 --> 00:33:36,419
that you've all done uh it's been a high

804
00:33:36,419 --> 00:33:38,039
process for you guys if you guys should

805
00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:39,539
be committed for the work that you have

806
00:33:39,539 --> 00:33:41,820
done thank you very much thank you Irene

807
00:33:41,820 --> 00:33:43,380
did you want to say something yeah I

808
00:33:43,380 --> 00:33:45,059
just got the numbers and I can plug them

809
00:33:45,059 --> 00:33:47,580
in and so I can kind of give you an idea

810
00:33:47,580 --> 00:33:51,380
of wait now that we have the two point

811
00:33:51,380 --> 00:33:56,960
2.4 million here of the cost so if you

812
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,460
this is not my computer and it's a

813
00:33:59,460 --> 00:34:04,740
little thing here so the cost we're talking about the

814
00:34:04,740 --> 00:34:07,260
amount of trash that we have of 4 500 a

815
00:34:07,260 --> 00:34:09,200
thousand pounds of

816
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,000
4550

817
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,780
68 tons of trash

818
00:34:14,780 --> 00:34:17,399
like 5300.

819
00:34:17,399 --> 00:34:19,139
ton for a year

820
00:34:19,139 --> 00:34:20,820
that was the number that you gave last

821
00:34:20,820 --> 00:34:23,089
time

822
00:34:23,099 --> 00:34:24,720
we can

823
00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:28,080
and for 90. 90 a ton

824
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:29,040
um

825
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,220
the um if you did

826
00:34:32,220 --> 00:34:34,379
flat feet all right you wanted to look

827
00:34:34,379 --> 00:34:36,980
at taxes taxes

828
00:34:36,980 --> 00:34:41,780
yeah I look at your thing taxes with uh

829
00:34:41,780 --> 00:34:44,820
taxes with pays you throw just wanted to

830
00:34:44,820 --> 00:34:47,040
kind of put that in with the bags

831
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,760
you're using your trash comes down about

832
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,560
20 percent

833
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,800
residents get two sizes of bags

834
00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:02,870
I'm just checking to see if

835
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,400
there's a connection if we don't enforce

836
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,859
it now I know well I'm just remind me

837
00:35:07,859 --> 00:35:10,260
about a yellow bag okay all of a sudden

838
00:35:10,260 --> 00:35:13,079
create enforcement it's it's it does

839
00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:16,820
because I need to go back

840
00:35:16,820 --> 00:35:19,500
they're buying a bag but we're still not

841
00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:22,320
if they do not if they do not enforce so

842
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,119
you see the bags in the container or

843
00:35:24,119 --> 00:35:28,140
people have the extra bags then if it's

844
00:35:28,140 --> 00:35:30,119
not in the right bag you get a fine

845
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:33,000
right away so the company said that they

846
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,700
would do that for free right away I have

847
00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:38,339
some recent pictures may I give to the

848
00:35:38,339 --> 00:35:40,800
committee just four hold on just hold on

849
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,480
for that the landlord we get let's

850
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,540
finish this conversation first just the

851
00:35:45,540 --> 00:35:49,200
guy the tenant buys the bag so how that

852
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,560
comes out to be is 1.2 million dollars

853
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,920
would need to be under the tax base if

854
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,520
you were using that taxes and bags if

855
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,380
you went with all bags we're talking

856
00:36:01,380 --> 00:36:05,520
about 20 to 2 400 2.4 million dollars

857
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,339
has to be paid by taxes so if you're

858
00:36:08,339 --> 00:36:10,940
saying all taxes then that whole bill

859
00:36:10,940 --> 00:36:13,619
2.24 million dollars has to come from

860
00:36:13,619 --> 00:36:16,260
taxes if you were going taxes with pay

861
00:36:16,260 --> 00:36:20,160
days you throw with

862
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,280
um the average resident would pay 195

863
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,520
dollars with their 1.5 bags per week so

864
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,460
if you only use less than that you use a

865
00:36:29,460 --> 00:36:32,220
smaller bag if I'm saying if you use the

866
00:36:32,220 --> 00:36:36,599
large bag of 1.5 bags on average then it

867
00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:39,180
would be 195 dollars

868
00:36:39,180 --> 00:36:41,940
per year per year per year per year and

869
00:36:41,940 --> 00:36:43,560
then that's really all you would pay

870
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,240
because the rest comes out of taxes but

871
00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:47,300
the taxes would be

872
00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:50,400
the what did I just say 1.2 million

873
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:51,260
dollars

874
00:36:51,260 --> 00:36:54,540
all right if you go with flat fee which

875
00:36:54,540 --> 00:36:58,099
would still require over us

876
00:36:58,099 --> 00:37:01,020
all right so now the flat fee the flat

877
00:37:01,020 --> 00:37:03,180
fee I'm just looking here to see how it

878
00:37:03,180 --> 00:37:08,990
comes out

879
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:18,170
um

880
00:37:18,180 --> 00:37:20,040
I'm sorry I missed my mouse I should

881
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:24,190
have brought my mouse with me

882
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,520
includes that they've separated out

883
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,240
every apartment yeah this is for per one

884
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:36,710
you've got the numbers

885
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:38,880
well because right now we even Supply

886
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,300
four and up to six family

887
00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:44,339
trash barrels because we don't enforce

888
00:37:44,339 --> 00:37:45,780
it

889
00:37:45,780 --> 00:37:48,720
says my my thing is that I think like

890
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:51,960
the bad because the colored bag is gonna

891
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:59,510
change that

892
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,530
time okay

893
00:38:02,540 --> 00:38:04,859
Irene yeah I'm gonna come back to you

894
00:38:04,859 --> 00:38:06,420
Miss clemos did you want to say

895
00:38:06,420 --> 00:38:09,230
something yeah

896
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:11,579
um well mainly I'm glad you got some

897
00:38:11,579 --> 00:38:13,619
sort of number on units yes that was the

898
00:38:13,619 --> 00:38:15,900
question I had back a year over a year

899
00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:16,920
ago

900
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,020
um and I'm five minutes again thank you

901
00:38:19,020 --> 00:38:20,339
like the real says to the committee

902
00:38:20,339 --> 00:38:22,680
because you guys you know really stepped

903
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,119
it up and gotten the information out

904
00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:27,060
still almost to do this here but got the

905
00:38:27,060 --> 00:38:28,440
information out

906
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,020
um we've gone full circle too from well

907
00:38:31,020 --> 00:38:33,300
taxes to Black fees to Flat fees with

908
00:38:33,300 --> 00:38:35,700
bags so now back to Flat fees I find

909
00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:37,140
that very interesting actually because I

910
00:38:37,140 --> 00:38:38,579
was actually starting to lean for Splat

911
00:38:38,579 --> 00:38:40,020
being back

912
00:38:40,020 --> 00:38:42,480
um but honestly whichever way is going

913
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,540
to work I I take a a little a little

914
00:38:45,540 --> 00:38:47,640
offense in some ways to listening to

915
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,220
this non-enforcement thing in the sense

916
00:38:50,220 --> 00:38:53,099
that there was a time when we enforced

917
00:38:53,099 --> 00:38:54,900
in this community yes it wasn't that

918
00:38:54,900 --> 00:38:58,320
long ago well it was now because it's

919
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,300
been a while since you know but there

920
00:39:00,300 --> 00:39:02,119
was a time where we had some part-time

921
00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:05,220
enforcers who went out and wrote tickets

922
00:39:05,220 --> 00:39:07,920
and when the tickets started to roll and

923
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,420
everybody got on board with

924
00:39:09,420 --> 00:39:10,859
understanding what they had to do and

925
00:39:10,859 --> 00:39:12,359
how they had to make their tenants

926
00:39:12,359 --> 00:39:14,700
comply I'll continue to say this all the

927
00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:17,339
time then suddenly we saw it and we saw

928
00:39:17,339 --> 00:39:20,280
some clients we saw trash in containers

929
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,460
we saw a lot of trash and it weren't and

930
00:39:23,460 --> 00:39:25,500
I I took the side many times of

931
00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:27,240
landlords who I felt bad for because

932
00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:29,640
they had such high tickets because their

933
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,640
tenants were the deadbeats not them so

934
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,640
just you know being sure on that so in a

935
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,160
department in which gets bigger smaller

936
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,800
or bigger I'm very confused you know

937
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,020
Health Department nothing against it at

938
00:39:43,020 --> 00:39:45,660
the moment just saying I don't see why

939
00:39:45,660 --> 00:39:47,820
we can enforce you'll need a couple of

940
00:39:47,820 --> 00:39:49,380
part-timers or something people who

941
00:39:49,380 --> 00:39:51,480
don't need to have you know 401ks or

942
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,220
whatever part-time people writing

943
00:39:53,220 --> 00:39:55,920
tickets that is the plan that should be

944
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,300
easy and that should come out of the

945
00:39:57,300 --> 00:40:00,260
Enterprise money that we're collecting

946
00:40:00,260 --> 00:40:02,640
I understand I'm just making it clear

947
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,099
because the conversation that's been set

948
00:40:05,099 --> 00:40:07,440
around here and multiple people have

949
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,079
concerns about enforcement I'm just

950
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:12,599
stating as a resident as a former

951
00:40:12,599 --> 00:40:14,160
counselor as someone who's sitting at

952
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,079
these meetings not just yours but lots

953
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:17,940
of meetings on lots of subject matters

954
00:40:17,940 --> 00:40:20,099
when it comes to trash and somebody who

955
00:40:20,099 --> 00:40:22,380
calls the the department of scent used

956
00:40:22,380 --> 00:40:25,260
to send pictures of non-compliant trash

957
00:40:25,260 --> 00:40:28,680
containers and such it can be done and

958
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,200
once the curve is met again then the

959
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:32,820
people step up because they don't want

960
00:40:32,820 --> 00:40:34,920
those fines so I'm just saying that can

961
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,839
be done as far as I was concerned about

962
00:40:36,839 --> 00:40:38,880
Mark's comment about um we're giving

963
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,040
them more race ways to raise things well

964
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,740
clearly it was discussed in here that

965
00:40:43,740 --> 00:40:45,119
obviously in the first year you don't

966
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:46,380
really know what's going to happen but

967
00:40:46,380 --> 00:40:48,180
with an Enterprise fund you set a rate

968
00:40:48,180 --> 00:40:51,720
you set the rate and within you know

969
00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:53,520
depending on if you have bags or not but

970
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:54,720
if you just do a flat fee you're going

971
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:56,339
to set the rate and we should be able to

972
00:40:56,339 --> 00:40:58,560
know that it's within enough money we

973
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,480
should have a contingency in there it's

974
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,160
like our water sewer situation we should

975
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,460
know what the um what the cost is from

976
00:41:05,460 --> 00:41:07,380
the hauler we have a contract doesn't go

977
00:41:07,380 --> 00:41:09,480
up for whatever many years or maybe it

978
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,280
goes up it's two percent or whatever we

979
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:12,660
should know and there should be a

980
00:41:12,660 --> 00:41:15,240
reasonable expectation of that fee what

981
00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:17,099
it needs to be how it's going to be

982
00:41:17,099 --> 00:41:19,440
raised if it's bags we don't know if the

983
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,140
bags bring us the money again reasonable

984
00:41:22,140 --> 00:41:24,660
consideration maybe we make extra as it

985
00:41:24,660 --> 00:41:26,820
was told to us a few meetings ago in the

986
00:41:26,820 --> 00:41:28,500
first year oh and then we can reduce it

987
00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:29,820
but maybe we don't make enough and we

988
00:41:29,820 --> 00:41:31,980
have to go up a little that's the nature

989
00:41:31,980 --> 00:41:35,520
of an Enterprise fund and I and yeah

990
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,260
there is that option that someone's

991
00:41:37,260 --> 00:41:38,400
going to raise it but in an Enterprise

992
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,680
fund the money goes to what it is you're

993
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,740
paying for correct not getting the trash

994
00:41:42,740 --> 00:41:45,359
so it's not going to go on the tax

995
00:41:45,359 --> 00:41:47,099
costers it's not going to get stuffed up

996
00:41:47,099 --> 00:41:48,540
we're not going to council voting on how

997
00:41:48,540 --> 00:41:51,180
to spend it because it belongs into the

998
00:41:51,180 --> 00:41:53,520
Enterprise fund only for use trash use

999
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,880
so you know again just being clear as to

1000
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,400
those types of things you mentioned um

1001
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,339
opting out it is a it's a state thing we

1002
00:42:02,339 --> 00:42:03,720
were we we're told that a number of

1003
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:06,599
meetings ago unfortunately to my to my

1004
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:09,300
concern oh bummer they can opt out that

1005
00:42:09,300 --> 00:42:11,040
stinks however they have to make prove

1006
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,380
that they have a reputable hall or of

1007
00:42:13,380 --> 00:42:15,839
some sorts of legal entity who's taking

1008
00:42:15,839 --> 00:42:17,820
trash and therefore then they have the

1009
00:42:17,820 --> 00:42:19,800
right to opt out but as you all skate

1010
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,920
the cost probably to opt out and just

1011
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,300
stay in is

1012
00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:26,040
it's probably going to be cheaper to

1013
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,020
stay in so why opt out as a matter of

1014
00:42:28,020 --> 00:42:30,420
fact the idea of having small businesses

1015
00:42:30,420 --> 00:42:33,480
opt in is a much more lucrative thing to

1016
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,040
go after now there's something for um

1017
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,900
for future to go after with a campaign

1018
00:42:39,900 --> 00:42:42,119
saying you have the ability now to get

1019
00:42:42,119 --> 00:42:44,280
your trash picked up on trash day with

1020
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,380
everybody else here's the cost I think

1021
00:42:46,380 --> 00:42:47,940
that will make money and maybe help

1022
00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:50,820
reduce the average person's fee just

1023
00:42:50,820 --> 00:42:51,839
saying

1024
00:42:51,839 --> 00:42:54,240
um let's see opt-in opt-in enforcements

1025
00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:56,160
you know I talked a service resident

1026
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,660
said to me they couldn't understand you

1027
00:42:57,660 --> 00:43:00,300
know Sturbridge has a lots of things but

1028
00:43:00,300 --> 00:43:02,339
she sees six haulers going down her Road

1029
00:43:02,339 --> 00:43:03,839
and she goes I don't understand I take

1030
00:43:03,839 --> 00:43:05,400
all my things in my five different bins

1031
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,260
then I go to the transfer station which

1032
00:43:07,260 --> 00:43:09,720
is free she goes I don't understand why

1033
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:10,920
these people you know there's so many

1034
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,380
haulers and storage is horrendous how

1035
00:43:13,380 --> 00:43:15,119
many haulers are going down the road on

1036
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:17,760
the same given day so just saying from a

1037
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,339
local community who thinks and she works

1038
00:43:20,339 --> 00:43:22,859
she's a

1039
00:43:22,859 --> 00:43:24,599
she's in this community in a

1040
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:26,339
Manufacturing Company in a high position

1041
00:43:26,339 --> 00:43:28,740
so you know she's she sees what's going

1042
00:43:28,740 --> 00:43:30,540
on in Southbridge and she was actually

1043
00:43:30,540 --> 00:43:31,980
she was at the business meeting and

1044
00:43:31,980 --> 00:43:34,319
heard the discussion and was was really

1045
00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:36,720
surprised at the option itself for chess

1046
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:38,040
and thought it was a great thing

1047
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,319
Worcester which had more like that so

1048
00:43:40,319 --> 00:43:42,000
just saying

1049
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,240
um what else I I still go I go either

1050
00:43:45,240 --> 00:43:46,980
way you know you guys think fluffy I

1051
00:43:46,980 --> 00:43:48,180
think it's great you don't have to worry

1052
00:43:48,180 --> 00:43:50,099
as much compliance but I certainly hope

1053
00:43:50,099 --> 00:43:53,400
we have compliance we enforce it as far

1054
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,819
as containment and and the mattresses

1055
00:43:56,819 --> 00:43:58,619
and all that we need to get out there

1056
00:43:58,619 --> 00:44:00,300
boots on the ground is what it's going

1057
00:44:00,300 --> 00:44:02,220
to take can't get out of this town hall

1058
00:44:02,220 --> 00:44:03,900
walk down the street and write a few

1059
00:44:03,900 --> 00:44:05,700
tickets it's very simple you could write

1060
00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:07,619
them all your way out of town and in

1061
00:44:07,619 --> 00:44:08,579
town

1062
00:44:08,579 --> 00:44:09,900
um but I think if we don't do that

1063
00:44:09,900 --> 00:44:12,180
nothing's gonna ever change that did

1064
00:44:12,180 --> 00:44:15,660
change we got lazy again and it's time

1065
00:44:15,660 --> 00:44:17,099
to enforce again it's just like being

1066
00:44:17,099 --> 00:44:19,079
prepared with your children

1067
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:21,240
um and there was something else I was

1068
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:22,859
going to say about all that but I guess

1069
00:44:22,859 --> 00:44:25,740
it's not so important that I did write

1070
00:44:25,740 --> 00:44:27,319
it down

1071
00:44:27,319 --> 00:44:30,960
so thank you I hope I hope we get this

1072
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,490
accomplished really soon

1073
00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:36,839
um uh before I go to you Kevin this is

1074
00:44:36,839 --> 00:44:39,740
playing a question for uh

1075
00:44:39,740 --> 00:44:42,780
yeah so these numbers that you're giving

1076
00:44:42,780 --> 00:44:43,980
us

1077
00:44:43,980 --> 00:44:45,599
the first Little Numbers you just gave

1078
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:47,819
us is based on our collections number

1079
00:44:47,819 --> 00:44:50,819
correct yeah so my question is is how

1080
00:44:50,819 --> 00:44:53,220
accurate is that collector's number okay

1081
00:44:53,220 --> 00:44:55,260
that's the number that we had just

1082
00:44:55,260 --> 00:44:58,319
received of the um

1083
00:44:58,319 --> 00:45:01,319
you know of what the what the what their

1084
00:45:01,319 --> 00:45:04,380
collection cost would be 1.7 I'm just

1085
00:45:04,380 --> 00:45:06,540
doing the trash yeah and we'd have a

1086
00:45:06,540 --> 00:45:12,230
reduction

1087
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:15,180
and it will go up with years you know

1088
00:45:15,180 --> 00:45:17,160
there is a five percent right it goes up

1089
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:21,069
every Thursday

1090
00:45:21,079 --> 00:45:23,760
yeah I'm using the most updated number

1091
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:39,610
that I have

1092
00:45:39,620 --> 00:45:48,130
[Music]

1093
00:45:48,140 --> 00:45:51,000
that number we gave you is really a good

1094
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,880
number to use as you figure out the best

1095
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,859
way to pay right because my estimate was

1096
00:45:55,859 --> 00:45:58,740
1.3 million and really is 1.7 you know

1097
00:45:58,740 --> 00:46:01,280
so that that impacts a lot of it

1098
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,440
changing numbers yes I want to go with

1099
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,300
Kevin oh are you done yeah the second

1100
00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:10,790
part of the question is

1101
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,079
we're trying to base it on military

1102
00:46:13,079 --> 00:46:15,839
families pay more on stuff

1103
00:46:15,839 --> 00:46:17,640
how accurate is that number that you're

1104
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,760
getting from the town

1105
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,520
do we even have that number

1106
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,740
Francine actually has a lot of that

1107
00:46:25,740 --> 00:46:27,660
information she can tell you how many

1108
00:46:27,660 --> 00:46:48,730
multi-families there are yeah

1109
00:46:48,740 --> 00:46:52,200
enforcement uh last meeting we heard

1110
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,359
about the D2

1111
00:46:54,359 --> 00:46:56,760
glitch in other words that there was

1112
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,160
some seventy thousand dollars worth of

1113
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,339
fines and tickets written out but there

1114
00:47:02,339 --> 00:47:05,089
was never

1115
00:47:05,099 --> 00:47:09,119
um an I.T line item or something to make

1116
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:12,599
sure that it's fine got attached to that

1117
00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:14,880
property is that still in existence are

1118
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,980
we going forward that we want to enact

1119
00:47:16,980 --> 00:47:20,819
Municipal charges mean so when you want

1120
00:47:20,819 --> 00:47:22,920
to identify ticketing ticketing is great

1121
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,839
but it's been more show than substance

1122
00:47:24,839 --> 00:47:28,700
here because all of these unpaid tickets

1123
00:47:28,700 --> 00:47:31,440
now at the beginning when these were

1124
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,540
issued years before my time I'm sure

1125
00:47:33,540 --> 00:47:36,420
they were effective but with time it

1126
00:47:36,420 --> 00:47:37,980
became apparent that if you don't pay

1127
00:47:37,980 --> 00:47:41,220
your ticket there's no consequences from

1128
00:47:41,220 --> 00:47:43,740
and I have a significant amount of

1129
00:47:43,740 --> 00:47:47,870
unpaid

1130
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,599
tickets that were not even the the

1131
00:47:50,599 --> 00:47:53,460
individuals didn't even make the effort

1132
00:47:53,460 --> 00:47:55,859
to appeal

1133
00:47:55,859 --> 00:47:58,500
so there was no follow-up now now with

1134
00:47:58,500 --> 00:48:00,420
the enactment of the municipal charges

1135
00:48:00,420 --> 00:48:03,599
name if those are unpaid we didn't go to

1136
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:05,280
certain departments at the end of the

1137
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:06,960
year meaning the health department of

1138
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,099
issues

1139
00:48:08,099 --> 00:48:11,339
see yeah they're unpaid they will get

1140
00:48:11,339 --> 00:48:15,420
stuck to your taxes okay and I have been

1141
00:48:15,420 --> 00:48:17,460
down this road in my experience it works

1142
00:48:17,460 --> 00:48:20,099
very well it resonates with individuals

1143
00:48:20,099 --> 00:48:22,500
the word word gets out so to speak I

1144
00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:24,599
think we'll take it seriously okay well

1145
00:48:24,599 --> 00:48:26,400
right now we're deficient of that and

1146
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,200
it's been problematic and I have

1147
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,740
pictures to even substantiate a

1148
00:48:31,740 --> 00:48:36,849
commonality that we face

1149
00:48:36,859 --> 00:48:39,300
you I'm going to look at the picture all

1150
00:48:39,300 --> 00:48:41,460
right uh can can I have an insurance

1151
00:48:41,460 --> 00:48:44,160
from the health department and the town

1152
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,339
manager that that municipal

1153
00:48:47,339 --> 00:48:50,280
process to make sure he

1154
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,440
finds our

1155
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:56,540
tag to the properties yes yes

1156
00:48:56,540 --> 00:48:59,400
okay we've already moved with that okay

1157
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:00,960
and on

1158
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,599
um bins in bags

1159
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:04,500
um

1160
00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:08,700
the flat service fee would cover the bin

1161
00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:11,940
um there we we always talked about the

1162
00:49:11,940 --> 00:49:14,280
fact that any change we do to the

1163
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,859
climbing common masses out there

1164
00:49:16,859 --> 00:49:18,480
takes

1165
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,319
a lot of time effort and we still have

1166
00:49:22,319 --> 00:49:24,060
people that don't comply and it's been

1167
00:49:24,060 --> 00:49:26,940
four years 17 years since we've been

1168
00:49:26,940 --> 00:49:31,260
trying to compile however what if we to

1169
00:49:31,260 --> 00:49:32,720
avoid

1170
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:36,900
the confusion of bags if we start by

1171
00:49:36,900 --> 00:49:39,660
using the bin system and say as long as

1172
00:49:39,660 --> 00:49:42,000
your trash is fitting in the bin and

1173
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,980
you're paying your flat fee your service

1174
00:49:43,980 --> 00:49:47,520
fee your company however in the future

1175
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,220
we may end up going with

1176
00:49:50,220 --> 00:49:52,920
bags

1177
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,920
giving people so people understand

1178
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,140
there's not going to be any change now

1179
00:49:58,140 --> 00:50:00,660
but if you don't start

1180
00:50:00,660 --> 00:50:03,420
following the rules yeah doing your

1181
00:50:03,420 --> 00:50:05,940
recycling you're going to end up buying

1182
00:50:05,940 --> 00:50:08,880
trash bags in the future

1183
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,099
so the problem with that is first of all

1184
00:50:11,099 --> 00:50:14,160
the bags will help us reduce the cost

1185
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,460
second of all a survey came back an

1186
00:50:17,460 --> 00:50:19,680
overwhelming amount of residents when we

1187
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,500
turn the survey you want bags so I think

1188
00:50:22,500 --> 00:50:25,990
we should comply with what they want

1189
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,760
the flat fee the taxes were pretty close

1190
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,579
you could go either way we had over 1600

1191
00:50:32,579 --> 00:50:34,680
people respond I think that's a pretty

1192
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,599
good player of What the residents in

1193
00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:39,060
this town know so just tell me how the

1194
00:50:39,060 --> 00:50:40,619
back makes the difference I mean that's

1195
00:50:40,619 --> 00:50:42,240
what I'm saying it'll help offset the

1196
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:44,819
cost yeah but or you put in a bag the

1197
00:50:44,819 --> 00:50:47,099
more bags you have to buy you will

1198
00:50:47,099 --> 00:50:49,800
recycle more yeah but also you're paying

1199
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,020
for the bank so that goes into the

1200
00:50:52,020 --> 00:50:54,960
revenue it's a psychological thing that

1201
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,540
when you it's looking for something it

1202
00:50:57,540 --> 00:51:00,480
reduces it's also an enforcement in that

1203
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,460
the hauler sees it you get a fine right

1204
00:51:02,460 --> 00:51:04,400
away

1205
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,720
should not happen now because there's no

1206
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:08,520
question the lawn chair sticking out of

1207
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,140
a recycling because nobody's paying the

1208
00:51:10,140 --> 00:51:11,900
cost right now

1209
00:51:11,900 --> 00:51:14,160
okay hold on

1210
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,260
are we all sitting out here are we ready

1211
00:51:16,260 --> 00:51:21,119
to I am 1650 out of six thousand six 1

1212
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:24,300
650 respondents that does not represent

1213
00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:26,160
no it doesn't a big portion of this

1214
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,500
community it's a pretty good pool I just

1215
00:51:28,500 --> 00:51:29,760
have one more numbers that's actually

1216
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:35,049
very good I only have one question

1217
00:51:35,059 --> 00:51:39,000
does anybody know where the Royal were

1218
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:40,800
the royalties from the dump was that put

1219
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,829
into an Enterprise fund

1220
00:51:44,839 --> 00:51:47,339
I know but in its entirety it's never

1221
00:51:47,339 --> 00:51:48,480
been touched because it's in an

1222
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,960
Enterprise fund to start up trash right

1223
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:56,710
yeah

1224
00:51:56,720 --> 00:52:01,140
the idea behind it the idea behind it

1225
00:52:01,140 --> 00:52:03,780
was that the royalty fund was supposed

1226
00:52:03,780 --> 00:52:10,870
to be for our trash startup right yeah

1227
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,640
[Music]

1228
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,960
knowing that we would run out one day

1229
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,110
you know free trash okay

1230
00:52:18,110 --> 00:52:24,609
[Music]

1231
00:52:24,619 --> 00:52:29,420
well she has numbers thank you okay

1232
00:52:29,420 --> 00:52:43,150
right now okay

1233
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,240
I've been using this model for other

1234
00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:47,520
communities it has worked and I don't

1235
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,220
know why it keeps saying

1236
00:52:49,220 --> 00:52:51,540
so we're just talking about tonnage

1237
00:52:51,540 --> 00:52:53,640
we're talking about cost ninety dollars

1238
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,300
per ton we're talking about the solid

1239
00:52:57,300 --> 00:52:58,800
waste collection that's the guy going

1240
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,960
down the road it's a salary for two

1241
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,880
different things one is the salary for

1242
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,180
Board of Health that's always in there

1243
00:53:06,180 --> 00:53:09,900
um and uh there is publicity there is

1244
00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:13,260
billing costs uh for a staff person for

1245
00:53:13,260 --> 00:53:17,400
if you do the flat fee version if you

1246
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:22,619
just do a flat fee just by itself then

1247
00:53:22,619 --> 00:53:27,359
it comes out to 372 dollars per unit so

1248
00:53:27,359 --> 00:53:29,280
if you have a six unit then you times

1249
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,720
that by six per year per year per year

1250
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:37,500
sign me up yeah I'm in 17. 31 a month

1251
00:53:37,500 --> 00:53:38,660
yeah

1252
00:53:38,660 --> 00:53:45,190
what are we doing why are we arguing

1253
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,760
because we need the multi-families to

1254
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,200
pay just a little bit more okay

1255
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:55,319
hold on let us finish please okay if you

1256
00:53:55,319 --> 00:53:57,660
go with the flat fee and pays you throw

1257
00:53:57,660 --> 00:53:59,819
so you have a two dollar bag and a one

1258
00:53:59,819 --> 00:54:02,819
dollar bag so people that I only put out

1259
00:54:02,819 --> 00:54:05,040
one bag if the apartment they pay for

1260
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:06,420
what they use

1261
00:54:06,420 --> 00:54:09,780
the landlord pays what they you to have

1262
00:54:09,780 --> 00:54:13,079
the container so that is

1263
00:54:13,079 --> 00:54:16,930
240

1264
00:54:16,940 --> 00:54:20,119
uh for the flat fee

1265
00:54:20,119 --> 00:54:24,480
and 156 dollars if you use a dollar a

1266
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,240
1.5 bags per

1267
00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:35,829
um per year so it's actually perfect

1268
00:54:35,839 --> 00:54:41,579
if you are using so yes it costs more if

1269
00:54:41,579 --> 00:54:43,260
you do the average but there are some

1270
00:54:43,260 --> 00:54:45,300
people the best people that use more if

1271
00:54:45,300 --> 00:54:47,220
you go away you don't pay for a bag of

1272
00:54:47,220 --> 00:54:49,319
trash if you

1273
00:54:49,319 --> 00:54:51,599
um you know if you're a one person

1274
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:53,220
you're probably only gonna use the

1275
00:54:53,220 --> 00:54:56,890
growth you know the smaller bags

1276
00:54:56,900 --> 00:55:01,870
if you do a full hold on

1277
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,079
if you're doing the whole thing the

1278
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:05,819
whole cost for the whole operation is

1279
00:55:05,819 --> 00:55:09,059
2.4 2.2 right point four million dollars

1280
00:55:09,059 --> 00:55:10,619
you have to put on the tax base so

1281
00:55:10,619 --> 00:55:12,540
that's the other if the taxes go up they

1282
00:55:12,540 --> 00:55:15,119
have to do that if you do an all

1283
00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:17,339
encompassing so a little bit in the

1284
00:55:17,339 --> 00:55:20,280
taxes a little bit and things then it is

1285
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:25,280
about 55 is it 220 flat fee

1286
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:30,839
156 dollars for a one one bag uh 1.5

1287
00:55:30,839 --> 00:55:35,460
bags per week and then you put 225

1288
00:55:35,460 --> 00:55:38,400
000 in the tax base like that there's a

1289
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,079
portion in the text and you name your

1290
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:44,109
pothole on your Hill

1291
00:55:44,119 --> 00:55:47,099
so it's not that big of a difference but

1292
00:55:47,099 --> 00:55:51,180
if it's it's spread out 55. yeah it'd be

1293
00:55:51,180 --> 00:55:54,780
55 a quarter then and if you are a

1294
00:55:54,780 --> 00:55:57,420
senior plus the best plus the bag but if

1295
00:55:57,420 --> 00:55:58,619
you're just a senior and you're doing

1296
00:55:58,619 --> 00:56:01,619
this one a dollar of a kitchen bag it's

1297
00:56:01,619 --> 00:56:03,000
still a professional

1298
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,040
um anything's additional if you're going

1299
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,200
to pay 300 I'm going to go with Francine

1300
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:08,640
next

1301
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,619
so the first question I have this

1302
00:56:10,619 --> 00:56:12,059
because I've been looking at the billing

1303
00:56:12,059 --> 00:56:14,579
cycle it's been said that it's one two

1304
00:56:14,579 --> 00:56:15,780
or four family

1305
00:56:15,780 --> 00:56:18,420
okay but it has it's seven you're up to

1306
00:56:18,420 --> 00:56:21,119
six it's up to six units right seven

1307
00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:23,819
units or more have their own dumpster on

1308
00:56:23,819 --> 00:56:27,319
their land such as Riverview place has

1309
00:56:27,319 --> 00:56:30,240
42 units or whatever they have a big

1310
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:33,839
trash dumpster yep okay so let's be

1311
00:56:33,839 --> 00:56:36,059
clear on that that the number it goes

1312
00:56:36,059 --> 00:56:38,220
from one family to six family including

1313
00:56:38,220 --> 00:56:42,480
condos that are single unit okay

1314
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:43,200
um

1315
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,480
my other thing before I get to the

1316
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:46,920
billing part of it

1317
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,280
the I have talked to multiple people

1318
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,760
um and not really my choice they brought

1319
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,220
it to me a the survey they didn't

1320
00:56:56,220 --> 00:56:57,960
understand it I must have had seven

1321
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,940
people that told me they didn't return

1322
00:56:59,940 --> 00:57:01,680
it because there was no dollar amount

1323
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,280
and they didn't understand it

1324
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,380
so that's right that's right they don't

1325
00:57:07,380 --> 00:57:08,940
want to come anyway I don't want to go

1326
00:57:08,940 --> 00:57:10,920
there so that may have skew the results

1327
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:12,960
right yeah so they said you're going to

1328
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:14,520
do what you want you're going to do well

1329
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,040
I can't I said I can't control it I work

1330
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,579
for the town the decision maker okay

1331
00:57:20,579 --> 00:57:21,180
um

1332
00:57:21,180 --> 00:57:23,640
the second thing is the black Torres

1333
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,579
versus the Green toters

1334
00:57:25,579 --> 00:57:28,859
a lot of people

1335
00:57:28,859 --> 00:57:31,500
or they're saying they called for extra

1336
00:57:31,500 --> 00:57:34,500
toters in the health department and they

1337
00:57:34,500 --> 00:57:36,839
can't get more black Taurus I said well

1338
00:57:36,839 --> 00:57:39,059
you're not supposed to it's one per unit

1339
00:57:39,059 --> 00:57:40,980
oh I have eight

1340
00:57:40,980 --> 00:57:43,920
so this is the thing those toters need

1341
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,760
to be marked inventory you know like my

1342
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,500
brother said send out a letter to all

1343
00:57:49,500 --> 00:57:51,900
homeowners to verify this is the total

1344
00:57:51,900 --> 00:57:54,540
we have listed for you your black Tony a

1345
00:57:54,540 --> 00:57:56,280
green toner these are the numbers on it

1346
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,980
please confirm and sign if you don't you

1347
00:57:58,980 --> 00:58:00,059
get a fine

1348
00:58:00,059 --> 00:58:03,300
you need to reply back to inventory list

1349
00:58:03,300 --> 00:58:05,099
and of course all the single families

1350
00:58:05,099 --> 00:58:08,040
are gonna they're gonna comply okay but

1351
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,079
the ones that don't send back the letter

1352
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:12,119
then you follow up and go out there and

1353
00:58:12,119 --> 00:58:14,160
inventory those toters all right for

1354
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,140
example when we first got the toters my

1355
00:58:16,140 --> 00:58:18,900
three family I had six black toters and

1356
00:58:18,900 --> 00:58:19,920
three green

1357
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,260
why I had to call the health department

1358
00:58:22,260 --> 00:58:25,020
not the staff but previously to get them

1359
00:58:25,020 --> 00:58:27,300
removed previous employee from the

1360
00:58:27,300 --> 00:58:29,400
health department followed a guy that

1361
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,260
had black toters on the back of his

1362
00:58:31,260 --> 00:58:32,819
pickup truck and drove him to

1363
00:58:32,819 --> 00:58:35,280
Connecticut the employee followed the

1364
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,559
guy into Connecticut all right and went

1365
00:58:37,559 --> 00:58:41,099
to his land pulled in and he was you

1366
00:58:41,099 --> 00:58:42,780
know confronted him the guy gave him

1367
00:58:42,780 --> 00:58:45,000
some kind of sob story that he was

1368
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,339
washing the

1369
00:58:47,339 --> 00:58:49,680
toters out at his property says you have

1370
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,420
a water spigot at your house don't you

1371
00:58:51,420 --> 00:58:53,900
in Southbridge

1372
00:58:53,900 --> 00:58:56,760
you know put those things back on your

1373
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,500
truck and bring it back to Southbridge

1374
00:58:58,500 --> 00:59:06,730
by the end of the day and we have um

1375
00:59:06,740 --> 00:59:10,740
but the other thing other Town people

1376
00:59:10,740 --> 00:59:12,780
you know they don't think it's fair to

1377
00:59:12,780 --> 00:59:15,119
go one family pays the same as a six

1378
00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:17,579
family or four family five family should

1379
00:59:17,579 --> 00:59:20,579
be a graduated rate that graduated or

1380
00:59:20,579 --> 00:59:22,680
don't whatever but again that's not

1381
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,140
gonna be our decision no but I'm just

1382
00:59:25,140 --> 00:59:28,319
saying I'm not getting any

1383
00:59:28,319 --> 00:59:30,660
feedback as to put it on the tax bill

1384
00:59:30,660 --> 00:59:32,160
I'm getting

1385
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,520
a flat fee and a yellow bag yellow pink

1386
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,559
purple whatever thing you know because

1387
00:59:37,559 --> 00:59:39,720
most of them say yellow bags because you

1388
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:41,280
get this they could bring them to

1389
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:42,680
Worcester

1390
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,480
okay I have four people that told me

1391
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,040
that you can get them out of the health

1392
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,680
department he has to have our name on it

1393
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:51,480
big deal how are they going to check in

1394
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,059
so that's the other thing I granted

1395
00:59:54,059 --> 00:59:55,559
there's a camera on the thing but how

1396
00:59:55,559 --> 00:59:57,299
does it know okay that it's a

1397
00:59:57,299 --> 00:59:59,119
Southbridge bag

1398
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:04,760
so as a label but yeah you're good yeah

1399
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,319
there's going to be even more expensive

1400
01:00:07,319 --> 01:00:08,940
if we go with the one and two dollars

1401
01:00:08,940 --> 01:00:12,000
then worcester's more expensive right so

1402
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,220
there you go so there you all said okay

1403
01:00:14,220 --> 01:00:17,000
who do you want to go with ours

1404
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,920
is I did the testing or tried to what

1405
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,920
they titled Communications I do not have

1406
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:24,780
the general ledger numbers I could not

1407
01:00:24,780 --> 01:00:27,299
test it for trash I did all there was

1408
01:00:27,299 --> 01:00:28,980
all other things that had nothing to do

1409
01:00:28,980 --> 01:00:32,099
with trash instead of you know just

1410
01:00:32,099 --> 01:00:34,319
ahead of it anyway but they're not

1411
01:00:34,319 --> 01:00:36,660
having a GL leads me dead in the water

1412
01:00:36,660 --> 01:00:41,470
come this Monday to do testing so

1413
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,280
yeah the accounting and the town manager

1414
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,280
Tom manager came to Rachel and said it's

1415
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,099
delayed so I can't and I'm not you know

1416
01:00:50,099 --> 01:00:52,020
I know I'm on camera but it's very

1417
01:00:52,020 --> 01:00:54,059
difficult to do my job if I'm not giving

1418
01:00:54,059 --> 01:00:56,700
given the things I need right so I'm

1419
01:00:56,700 --> 01:00:58,260
saying to this committee at this point

1420
01:00:58,260 --> 01:00:59,839
if I don't have a

1421
01:00:59,839 --> 01:01:01,920
gl's on Monday

1422
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,440
and even so if I did and I'm doing the

1423
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,319
testing I still need more sessions with

1424
01:01:07,319 --> 01:01:09,540
the with toddler communication to fix

1425
01:01:09,540 --> 01:01:12,119
the software two tests okay and

1426
01:01:12,119 --> 01:01:13,619
especially because I have to do import

1427
01:01:13,619 --> 01:01:15,540
of all these files and create new

1428
01:01:15,540 --> 01:01:18,599
accounts and create new Services the

1429
01:01:18,599 --> 01:01:20,400
billing part of it will be something

1430
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,260
that will be in this cost benefit

1431
01:01:22,260 --> 01:01:24,660
analysis that will be done and then we

1432
01:01:24,660 --> 01:01:26,579
will check it out see if it should be

1433
01:01:26,579 --> 01:01:28,200
done in the house right for whether it

1434
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:29,819
should be done by a private company

1435
01:01:29,819 --> 01:01:32,000
right so the thing is

1436
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,220
I need a three month I need a quote from

1437
01:01:35,220 --> 01:01:37,680
the type of communications and we need a

1438
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,020
three to four month late time to book

1439
01:01:40,020 --> 01:01:42,059
the people I need to work with okay

1440
01:01:42,059 --> 01:01:45,240
we're already in March I'm in April it's

1441
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,700
not I've booked it in February and I my

1442
01:01:47,700 --> 01:01:51,299
choices were either April or May so you

1443
01:01:51,299 --> 01:01:52,440
can't you know it's not your fall

1444
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:56,410
friends

1445
01:01:56,420 --> 01:01:58,799
so if you have something new Miss

1446
01:01:58,799 --> 01:02:00,540
Clemens otherwise we're going to start

1447
01:02:00,540 --> 01:02:03,900
voting here no go ahead uh companies the

1448
01:02:03,900 --> 01:02:05,460
thing I forgot to mention was holler

1449
01:02:05,460 --> 01:02:07,799
compliance you know we continually talk

1450
01:02:07,799 --> 01:02:10,980
about uh Community compliance I hope

1451
01:02:10,980 --> 01:02:12,180
that somewhere in that contract is

1452
01:02:12,180 --> 01:02:13,680
holler compliance can you talk about the

1453
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:14,880
cameras and everybody doing the right

1454
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:16,680
thing but the haulers are two things

1455
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,140
well the main thing about Haulers is I

1456
01:02:19,140 --> 01:02:20,760
go out trash day everyone's got their

1457
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,160
trash lined up I come back I see trash

1458
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:24,839
cans everywhere because the haulers do

1459
01:02:24,839 --> 01:02:26,220
what they want because we really need to

1460
01:02:26,220 --> 01:02:28,680
have holler compliance as well so that

1461
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:30,240
our streets and our sidewalks are safe

1462
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,160
to transfer from whether it's a person

1463
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:33,420
with disabilities or whether it's a

1464
01:02:33,420 --> 01:02:35,640
mother with a carriage and as Miss

1465
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:37,799
Congdon said at the last meeting the

1466
01:02:37,799 --> 01:02:40,079
hauler that would be in the contract

1467
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:42,900
right I'm just mentioning it because we

1468
01:02:42,900 --> 01:02:44,819
haven't had that to the state so I'm

1469
01:02:44,819 --> 01:02:46,260
bringing it up because that was what I

1470
01:02:46,260 --> 01:02:47,339
forgot but

1471
01:02:47,339 --> 01:02:49,380
um as far as the money goes with the

1472
01:02:49,380 --> 01:02:51,059
numbers that you're if they are kind of

1473
01:02:51,059 --> 01:02:52,500
accurate so I'm a little concerned you

1474
01:02:52,500 --> 01:02:54,359
know up to six families seven or more is

1475
01:02:54,359 --> 01:02:56,579
the number wrong so did we only compile

1476
01:02:56,579 --> 01:02:58,619
up to four families or do we compile up

1477
01:02:58,619 --> 01:03:01,619
to six but it's really fours so we did

1478
01:03:01,619 --> 01:03:04,200
up to taxes so therefore it's not up to

1479
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,900
Fours so is our number correct in in

1480
01:03:06,900 --> 01:03:08,180
your calculation

1481
01:03:08,180 --> 01:03:11,280
okay that's because it was it was you

1482
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:12,660
were talking four versus six absolutely

1483
01:03:12,660 --> 01:03:15,299
so that could be an over a stage it's

1484
01:03:15,299 --> 01:03:16,859
just an estimate too I think at this

1485
01:03:16,859 --> 01:03:18,480
point right but four to six could be a

1486
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,460
big number yeah I'm using this but again

1487
01:03:20,460 --> 01:03:23,099
at 372 I think you have room for legal

1488
01:03:23,099 --> 01:03:25,200
there just my opinion

1489
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:27,540
um as far as the uh compliance with that

1490
01:03:27,540 --> 01:03:29,700
kind of number you could hire two part

1491
01:03:29,700 --> 01:03:31,680
time you could hire two extra people for

1492
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,960
an entire year and and it wouldn't cost

1493
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:35,700
us that much more as a community to be

1494
01:03:35,700 --> 01:03:37,980
honest this money is expecting that

1495
01:03:37,980 --> 01:03:39,599
you're having two people right but I'm

1496
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:41,579
saying you could that's so low if you

1497
01:03:41,579 --> 01:03:42,900
ask me to remember I know it's not low

1498
01:03:42,900 --> 01:03:44,520
to everybody but I'm just saying if you

1499
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,440
really needed to have it it's really

1500
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,359
worth that much you know to stick on an

1501
01:03:48,359 --> 01:03:50,099
extra 20 bucks to us so that you can

1502
01:03:50,099 --> 01:03:51,540
make sure our streets are perfect but

1503
01:03:51,540 --> 01:03:52,859
anyway just say

1504
01:03:52,859 --> 01:03:54,540
um as far as the extra toters very

1505
01:03:54,540 --> 01:03:57,359
interesting uh comments there but can we

1506
01:03:57,359 --> 01:03:59,460
and I've asked this way back I asked

1507
01:03:59,460 --> 01:04:01,319
about this you know there I if somebody

1508
01:04:01,319 --> 01:04:02,880
has a house where they have you know

1509
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,680
they want to pay for two toters a year

1510
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,020
can they not opt in and pay for just you

1511
01:04:07,020 --> 01:04:08,460
know multi-families off the into pay

1512
01:04:08,460 --> 01:04:10,920
can't they buy two toners and and be

1513
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,319
charged twice why not I don't know that

1514
01:04:13,319 --> 01:04:15,180
you know I'm just saying some people

1515
01:04:15,180 --> 01:04:16,680
want to told us they're going to pay for

1516
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,380
the trash of two toters can they do that

1517
01:04:19,380 --> 01:04:21,000
um that's something we should we should

1518
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:22,799
think about negotiating without the

1519
01:04:22,799 --> 01:04:25,079
contract as long as you know I mean I

1520
01:04:25,079 --> 01:04:26,940
don't know you could have extra colors

1521
01:04:26,940 --> 01:04:28,380
for recycling

1522
01:04:28,380 --> 01:04:30,780
yeah so okay but I'm saying somebody

1523
01:04:30,780 --> 01:04:33,240
wants to pay for extra trash they do

1524
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,099
people single-family homes do have two

1525
01:04:35,099 --> 01:04:38,890
more multiple yeah

1526
01:04:38,900 --> 01:04:41,160
but they're Town one so somebody from

1527
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:43,200
the town gave it to them so how illegal

1528
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:46,570
is that

1529
01:04:46,580 --> 01:05:31,150
[Music]

1530
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:40,150
so yes is it quoted former counselor

1531
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,480
okay I think that's it thank you all

1532
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:43,140
right

1533
01:05:43,140 --> 01:05:45,000
so we're gonna take a vote here and what

1534
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,280
how you want to go with this this is the

1535
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,319
recommendation I am going to make to the

1536
01:05:49,319 --> 01:05:51,720
Town concert on Monday night

1537
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:52,700
um

1538
01:05:52,700 --> 01:05:55,740
we'll go around the room

1539
01:05:55,740 --> 01:05:58,440
um oh first of all

1540
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,180
how should we do this should we do do

1541
01:06:00,180 --> 01:06:03,000
you want flat fee or taxes and then do

1542
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:04,920
you want to add bags or do you want it

1543
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:06,900
all together I'd say we go with the flat

1544
01:06:06,900 --> 01:06:09,299
fee and for knee pad bags later on we do

1545
01:06:09,299 --> 01:06:11,099
it because the flat fee like we said it

1546
01:06:11,099 --> 01:06:13,380
was 372 that's that's not bad at all

1547
01:06:13,380 --> 01:06:16,290
that's real nice

1548
01:06:16,300 --> 01:06:18,020
[Music]

1549
01:06:18,020 --> 01:06:26,109
I like my bags

1550
01:06:26,119 --> 01:06:28,319
this is great

1551
01:06:28,319 --> 01:06:30,960
Steve I'm in favor of flat fee and with

1552
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:32,400
an Enterprise account I'm sure it would

1553
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,740
be yeah

1554
01:06:34,740 --> 01:06:37,079
no bags I would agree to bags later I

1555
01:06:37,079 --> 01:06:38,700
think Kevin had a great idea all right

1556
01:06:38,700 --> 01:06:40,319
yeah all right

1557
01:06:40,319 --> 01:06:44,160
go ahead flat fee with bags later

1558
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:47,640
same flat fee with bags later

1559
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:52,250
good

1560
01:06:52,260 --> 01:06:52,980
um

1561
01:06:52,980 --> 01:06:55,380
celebrity I I would like to see you next

1562
01:06:55,380 --> 01:06:59,220
fix extended multi-family

1563
01:06:59,220 --> 01:07:00,420
um

1564
01:07:00,420 --> 01:07:03,119
if that can be worked out uh flat fee in

1565
01:07:03,119 --> 01:07:06,660
future bags I think all right

1566
01:07:06,660 --> 01:07:11,890
you know I feel you need my vote yeah

1567
01:07:11,900 --> 01:07:16,400
and bags later so that's one two three

1568
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,559
seven man seven flat feet and no bags

1569
01:07:19,559 --> 01:07:35,930
I'm gonna stick with taxes okay

1570
01:07:35,940 --> 01:07:38,400
yeah I told you when we started I'm

1571
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:39,839
going to go to the conference though

1572
01:07:39,839 --> 01:07:42,359
exactly what you're recommending so our

1573
01:07:42,359 --> 01:07:44,099
last agenda items that make a

1574
01:07:44,099 --> 01:07:46,140
recommendation of Town Council on using

1575
01:07:46,140 --> 01:07:48,420
other funds I went to the arpa committee

1576
01:07:48,420 --> 01:07:50,220
tonight I asked for some funds

1577
01:07:50,220 --> 01:07:52,200
unfortunately I had to come down here so

1578
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:55,200
I never I never found out exactly what

1579
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,420
happened with that councilor Adams is

1580
01:07:57,420 --> 01:07:58,859
here go ahead yeah so right now what we

1581
01:07:58,859 --> 01:08:00,599
did was did an operational pause in the

1582
01:08:00,599 --> 01:08:02,960
arpa account we did it now

1583
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,940
obviously use some of this money for for

1584
01:08:05,940 --> 01:08:09,660
the trash so it's going to be about 380

1585
01:08:09,660 --> 01:08:11,299
000 I believe in the top of my head

1586
01:08:11,299 --> 01:08:13,380
getting all the computer and stuff taken

1587
01:08:13,380 --> 01:08:15,599
care of so right now we'll hold off on

1588
01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:17,940
380 000 I know you looked at a couple

1589
01:08:17,940 --> 01:08:20,880
people to hire on and obviously some

1590
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:23,339
startup fees so we'll hold that money

1591
01:08:23,339 --> 01:08:26,040
Friday now okay all right and then the

1592
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:27,359
other thing is do we want to recommend

1593
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:30,000
using some funds from the royalty

1594
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:31,500
account that's what I have recommended

1595
01:08:31,500 --> 01:08:34,259
that we look at go ahead Mr Grandma's

1596
01:08:34,259 --> 01:08:36,799
um what do we say we had around three

1597
01:08:36,799 --> 01:08:39,600
I think I think it's a good idea to take

1598
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:40,980
a little bit out of the room for

1599
01:08:40,980 --> 01:08:42,120
royalties

1600
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,160
um the reason I say that is a lot of

1601
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:45,540
people don't realize they came up

1602
01:08:45,540 --> 01:08:47,580
earlier what that fund is for right and

1603
01:08:47,580 --> 01:08:49,020
it's for anything the time once I get

1604
01:08:49,020 --> 01:08:51,239
that however

1605
01:08:51,239 --> 01:08:52,920
I've done a unique perspective being in

1606
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,020
the water department we just well not we

1607
01:08:55,020 --> 01:08:56,580
Casella and GP just installed water

1608
01:08:56,580 --> 01:08:58,080
mains in Charlton because of

1609
01:08:58,080 --> 01:08:59,699
contamination coming from that landfill

1610
01:08:59,699 --> 01:09:02,100
that 3.9 million dollars in the future

1611
01:09:02,100 --> 01:09:04,799
is going to be needed to possibly extend

1612
01:09:04,799 --> 01:09:06,299
water lines in other parts of town as

1613
01:09:06,299 --> 01:09:08,400
contamination spreads yeah or possible

1614
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:10,259
lawsuits we need to be careful not to

1615
01:09:10,259 --> 01:09:11,880
pillage that account or else we're gonna

1616
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:13,080
have to come out of pocket for it later

1617
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:15,480
so we've just warn everybody to try to

1618
01:09:15,480 --> 01:09:16,920
fleece that account

1619
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:18,719
it's you're borrowing from Peter to pay

1620
01:09:18,719 --> 01:09:20,819
Paul in my opinion so be careful so what

1621
01:09:20,819 --> 01:09:24,050
is your recommendation

1622
01:09:24,060 --> 01:09:25,920
under half a million all right

1623
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,859
a million or less maybe a quarter

1624
01:09:28,859 --> 01:09:30,480
be careful that's all I'll say because

1625
01:09:30,480 --> 01:09:32,040
I've seen you know how where this goes

1626
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:35,609
that's all thank you Kathy did you wanna

1627
01:09:35,609 --> 01:09:36,839
[Music]

1628
01:09:36,839 --> 01:09:37,859
oh I'm sorry

1629
01:09:37,859 --> 01:09:40,020
go ahead all right I'm not opposed like

1630
01:09:40,020 --> 01:09:42,239
I told you Mike before that maybe out of

1631
01:09:42,239 --> 01:09:43,440
royalty but I'd also like to see

1632
01:09:43,440 --> 01:09:44,640
something I want to go back into the

1633
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:46,199
royalty agree with Steve at the same

1634
01:09:46,199 --> 01:09:48,660
time we've made it very clear at the

1635
01:09:48,660 --> 01:09:50,160
council we should hold on that money

1636
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:51,960
just in case of future lawsuits the

1637
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,480
insurance money is now gone so we got to

1638
01:09:54,480 --> 01:09:56,040
be really careful with it if we could

1639
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,199
pay some of that money back with uh down

1640
01:09:58,199 --> 01:10:00,300
the road in a few years that would be

1641
01:10:00,300 --> 01:10:03,420
great as well but I I don't know if I

1642
01:10:03,420 --> 01:10:05,520
would my recommendation to to the

1643
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,800
committee would be going is this really

1644
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:09,600
what you you are you want to vote on

1645
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:14,160
this or do you want the Town Council to take a look do you have your numbers

1646
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:15,540
and what you really want to do to start

1647
01:10:15,540 --> 01:10:18,300
off just hold off and say but hold up

1648
01:10:18,300 --> 01:10:20,340
for now maybe you don't need that money

1649
01:10:20,340 --> 01:10:25,020
yeah okay you know it's a good safety

1650
01:10:25,020 --> 01:10:27,179
net yeah if we took 385 out of arpa if

1651
01:10:27,179 --> 01:10:29,219
we were to take another 120 that would

1652
01:10:29,219 --> 01:10:31,440
get us to 500 000 that would give us

1653
01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:34,260
almost a quarter's worth of payments for

1654
01:10:34,260 --> 01:10:36,480
the hauler to get our to get our first

1655
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:38,400
quarter of the payment coming in from

1656
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,679
the citizen so that could be reasonable

1657
01:10:40,679 --> 01:10:42,900
all right how soon can we get this the

1658
01:10:42,900 --> 01:10:44,219
counselors Steve did you want to say

1659
01:10:44,219 --> 01:10:45,300
something

1660
01:10:45,300 --> 01:10:46,920
I don't know I was thinking kind of

1661
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:48,239
along the same lines that Steve was

1662
01:10:48,239 --> 01:10:49,860
thinking about of

1663
01:10:49,860 --> 01:10:52,260
baby 500 grand

1664
01:10:52,260 --> 01:10:54,360
um I I would love to be able to use more

1665
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:57,480
but I mean we did see how expensive

1666
01:10:57,480 --> 01:10:59,760
those last that last round of lawsuits

1667
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:03,480
was and when we finally had to finally

1668
01:11:03,480 --> 01:11:05,100
get it settled Council Steve what would

1669
01:11:05,100 --> 01:11:07,320
you think if we did a like almost like a

1670
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:09,480
surveyors loan where the the Enterprise

1671
01:11:09,480 --> 01:11:11,340
account agrees to put money back into

1672
01:11:11,340 --> 01:11:12,900
landfill Royals these over a 10-year

1673
01:11:12,900 --> 01:11:15,360
period so just make sure we have that

1674
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:16,679
money that our kids who needed that's

1675
01:11:16,679 --> 01:11:18,659
not a bad idea would that be legally

1676
01:11:18,659 --> 01:11:21,480
would be able to do anything else it's

1677
01:11:21,480 --> 01:11:22,820
free money

1678
01:11:22,820 --> 01:11:26,050
all right

1679
01:11:26,060 --> 01:11:28,020
no I think I think he's got a point

1680
01:11:28,020 --> 01:11:29,640
though is that we don't want to we don't

1681
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:31,620
want to rate and we we there have in the

1682
01:11:31,620 --> 01:11:33,300
past been times when people rated that

1683
01:11:33,300 --> 01:11:34,739
account do you just want to lock it up

1684
01:11:34,739 --> 01:11:36,900
somehow make sure it stays there in one

1685
01:11:36,900 --> 01:11:40,260
place the Catch-22 is that it is I mean

1686
01:11:40,260 --> 01:11:42,420
it is not a Revival it's not a revolving

1687
01:11:42,420 --> 01:11:45,540
fund it is not a um it's not an

1688
01:11:45,540 --> 01:11:48,300
Enterprise it's just an account correct

1689
01:11:48,300 --> 01:11:50,040
um and

1690
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:51,540
we don't have any more money coming into

1691
01:11:51,540 --> 01:11:52,380
this

1692
01:11:52,380 --> 01:11:59,169
uh actually um

1693
01:11:59,179 --> 01:12:01,739
so your recommendation we take a look at

1694
01:12:01,739 --> 01:12:04,500
that well I think we're not also I mean

1695
01:12:04,500 --> 01:12:06,000
I think we can do that

1696
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:09,000
um I think we should probably

1697
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,340
I mean we've we've talked about at our

1698
01:12:11,340 --> 01:12:12,420
bill we're talking about the idea of

1699
01:12:12,420 --> 01:12:13,800
scraping some of these other old

1700
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,560
accounts that might be worth looking at

1701
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:18,900
but we also have so many other costs

1702
01:12:18,900 --> 01:12:20,820
that we need and I think we do need to

1703
01:12:20,820 --> 01:12:23,100
be careful about

1704
01:12:23,100 --> 01:12:25,320
taking all of this loose money and just

1705
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:27,540
kind of dumping it into one place if we

1706
01:12:27,540 --> 01:12:29,100
may need it for other costs because we

1707
01:12:29,100 --> 01:12:31,560
will all right

1708
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:33,900
I'm gonna go with you next Kevin

1709
01:12:33,900 --> 01:12:36,900
what do you think of using some

1710
01:12:36,900 --> 01:12:45,120
um I I I think it I think the users need to pay for the service

1711
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:48,179
um like I said if it's a situation

1712
01:12:48,179 --> 01:12:51,420
I I don't see any advantage to oh let's

1713
01:12:51,420 --> 01:12:54,120
grab 500 000 from here and oh wait a

1714
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:56,340
minute how about if we take

1715
01:12:56,340 --> 01:12:58,679
um you know a little from here this will

1716
01:12:58,679 --> 01:13:01,020
just be a first start but no so I would

1717
01:13:01,020 --> 01:13:04,080
say leave it as a safety net

1718
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,980
um and and we need to walk we need to

1719
01:13:07,980 --> 01:13:10,260
walk on on our own and not have

1720
01:13:10,260 --> 01:13:15,350
subsidized service anymore

1721
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,239
uh any opinion on it at all yeah I mean

1722
01:13:18,239 --> 01:13:22,560
I I agree with Steve that you know we

1723
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:24,840
need some money in case something really

1724
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:26,580
does happen I mean Steve was speaking

1725
01:13:26,580 --> 01:13:29,280
about a real life situation this that

1726
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,159
wasn't a guess he knows that happened he

1727
01:13:32,159 --> 01:13:33,659
knows the numbers he knows what it cost

1728
01:13:33,659 --> 01:13:36,540
us okay and I just think that if we do

1729
01:13:36,540 --> 01:13:39,300
it through an account like that

1730
01:13:39,300 --> 01:13:42,000
you know there has to be some way so

1731
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:43,140
that

1732
01:13:43,140 --> 01:13:45,239
if something bad happens somebody don't

1733
01:13:45,239 --> 01:13:46,920
go dipping into that account because it

1734
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:49,199
happens more frequently than not it has

1735
01:13:49,199 --> 01:13:52,100
retirement plans

1736
01:13:52,100 --> 01:13:54,060
one of the things we haven't yet

1737
01:13:54,060 --> 01:13:55,199
discussed is the fact that we've got

1738
01:13:55,199 --> 01:13:57,120
more than 5 million

1739
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:58,260
right

1740
01:13:58,260 --> 01:14:01,320
um and although that was and obviously

1741
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:03,060
that's yet and that's similar under the

1742
01:14:03,060 --> 01:14:04,560
similar similar circumstances where

1743
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:06,719
that's one of the record rainy day

1744
01:14:06,719 --> 01:14:08,219
accounts that quite frankly we haven't

1745
01:14:08,219 --> 01:14:14,330
used much but

1746
01:14:14,340 --> 01:14:16,500
um I think this is something where maybe

1747
01:14:16,500 --> 01:14:18,480
we want to seriously consider using a

1748
01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:21,600
little bit not a lot okay

1749
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:29,450
um

1750
01:14:29,460 --> 01:14:41,340
yes

1751
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:46,130
[Music]

1752
01:14:46,140 --> 01:14:48,060
okay I thought you were going to start

1753
01:14:48,060 --> 01:14:50,640
up the fee at least a quarter or more

1754
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,699
sooner anyway so I'm confused as to why

1755
01:14:53,699 --> 01:14:55,620
you need to dip in too much if you were

1756
01:14:55,620 --> 01:14:57,420
going to start building say in the fall

1757
01:14:57,420 --> 01:14:59,699
because they don't there's some things

1758
01:14:59,699 --> 01:15:01,679
that I'm not sure about but I'm gonna

1759
01:15:01,679 --> 01:15:04,260
hit the r but and then do that right

1760
01:15:04,260 --> 01:15:52,090
I

1761
01:15:52,100 --> 01:15:54,560
it is uh

1762
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:59,040
the point is that 380 000 should not be

1763
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:00,780
the first thing that's stress it should

1764
01:16:00,780 --> 01:16:02,340
be actually if you're gonna build early

1765
01:16:02,340 --> 01:16:04,679
and obviously bylaws have to change we

1766
01:16:04,679 --> 01:16:06,480
have to you know prove if we don't want

1767
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:09,300
this or not get a system going a little

1768
01:16:09,300 --> 01:16:11,940
early and then didn't work if you need

1769
01:16:11,940 --> 01:16:13,860
that 380 or we have to zip into a little

1770
01:16:13,860 --> 01:16:16,140
bit my concern is and I'll tell you what

1771
01:16:16,140 --> 01:16:18,060
my concern is we've been told we're

1772
01:16:18,060 --> 01:16:19,980
going to keep the toters are we going to

1773
01:16:19,980 --> 01:16:22,199
keep the toters I don't know so what if

1774
01:16:22,199 --> 01:16:26,640
we have to buy toters I know Anna said

1775
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:28,500
we're going to keep the toners but I

1776
01:16:28,500 --> 01:16:54,250
don't know it says

1777
01:16:54,260 --> 01:16:57,320
thank you