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all right
I like to call it supports Schenectady
city council committee meeting for
Monday June 20 June excuse me Tuesday
June 20th 2023.
um First Community is finance
thank you I would like to call the
finance committee to order the course
item is authorization to enter
agreements cares of New York
so
prong is going to take this
afternoon
as a part of the American Rescue plan at
HUD has distributed home investment
funds to assist individuals and
households who are homeless at risk
diplomacies and other vulnerable
populations through the Schenectady home
Consortium the city of Schenectady the
city of Troy the town of colony are
allocated a 3.8 million dollars in
funding
we are asking for authorization to enter
into agreement with cares of New York
for and not not to exceed of 413 938 of
Home art funds funding allocated to the
Consortium through December 31st 2029 to
administer the implementation of the
homeowner application
questions comments
Cena and worship
some a second but all if you ever hi
thank you thank you thank you the next
item is
contract follow-up
the Ferrari
's out here
oh okay great thank you
all the funding that we involved
what we have here is an application of
all the funding that we had so far from
our book and including that I have some
in color here and at the last page it
shows when they would have named the
colors greens mean that we are
contracted with these agencies
colors uh the yellows show that we're
about to contract with these agencies
and the one in blue are we have receipt
they have received specs that we're
going out to bid to see where they're
where they are I've been in contact with
a few of these arpa agencies I had a
meeting specifically with the electric
uh Electric City Co-Op uh over the
weekend to find out where they are where
they're going we let them know that you
know times of essence they have until
September of 2022 to get the funds that
they said that they're going to need to
allocate 6.7 million dollars to get our
one million dollar contract
they're
a problem that they're having is uh
they're looking to purchase of New York
which is the school that bought so I
kind of put them in a tailspin and now
so they're looking at other options
uh one of the things that I mentioned is
that they had other monies coming from
the county whatever and they asked
everybody says well you that all has to
be in place before we do our contract
with you so I let them know that they're
working on it and hopefully uh uh
they're located in time uh I did have
some Communications uh uh at third party
Communications with the uh
aquatic group and the work that I ever
had was that they're looking someplace
or rather than uh New York and I think
that disqualifies it from our top our
program it has not been has not been
completed yet uh so you know if they
come to Schenectady or they still have
to come up with their funding too and
that again that is uh by uh October August for them to get their
money we gain one year
uh we're following up
here with the seat see we're very close
with the seat for uh uh and the
empowerment education for jobs and uh
where I'm going on a lot of the
decisions projects with approval so
we're getting ready to bid for the golf
irrigation uh I believe
I'm looking at the work at steinman's
Park and
this is the last one and Jerry Burrell
Park was getting ready to start one of
the things we're going to have to ask is
the big questions when we start getting
with our bids back for instance for the
uh Miracle on Craig Street Harbor rehab
you know what have what do we do if it
comes like a million dollars more than
we allocated uh you know that's the
question that we have to ask do we go
for more money how does that happen you
know what what are the factors that
include that again those are some of the
questions that they ask and uh the other
question is what would they do if they
need more time you know and of course my advice to them was you would have to
come to
speak to him another uh
a problem that was asked was about if
they wanted to change their original
application I said I didn't think you
could change it but again that's really
all up to the powers to be so uh if you
have any other questions
question go ahead so some of these did
not have to have any um there were no
contingencies attached so
um so I'm just kind of wondering why
what's like so the Enterprise seat you
mentioned is going to be doing very soon
they're getting ready to go but like the
food delivery box like for 50 000 more
so you don't think so right so for
instance so one of the things I'm a
communication with Proctors for the
Proctors for their uh a reopening
startup and you know I emailed them say
I know I know you're open so you must
have completed the work I go maybe you
don't need the money now let us know so
um you know it's you send emails out
they don't come back you know so we're
kind of at a standstill of some of these
things
uh also too some some of these Waller
organizations their their people have
changed and so you know I gotta try to
find like who's in charge of it to
actually send them or talk to them to
see what we can move this out see ya
understand go ahead please you're making
the direct contact I'm trying to make
the direct contacts and I'm actually
bringing them in there you know to be
with me so I could see who they are and
really go through it you know
good so I just want to go back to miss
porterfield's question so you haven't
did you not get a response from the
Green Market about yeah like uh I
thought Haley bakar was the head of it
but she she's no longer the head of the
community so I'm trying to find who
who's ahead of it and who's going to
move this forward you might see Mary
Jane shave I'm not sure which I don't
have any information
or area I'm not sure I don't know
I don't have I don't have a connection
with them either so anybody knows I'll
send you something please I appreciate
it yep
it's safe to assume that any projects
without any additional numbers or
figures represent agencies that haven't
had communication with you correct
credit on that contracted right
and at the very far and right corner is
actually what we have spec and then
totals at the bottoms
hmm
yeah so so you gave us some indication
verbally of what who's going on contact
so um when we see this again in the
topics like the tennis Central Park
tennis courts there's no activity on
that
um
yeah oh okay yeah the public ones yeah
they're kind of mixed in there
I just wanted to give you the list but
Chris can answer a lot of yourself about
the pools the parks
there you go Chris thank you
so the list that I'm handing out
that is the public part of the process
that engineering is the lead on I'm
working with Anthony on them however
they are not
talking about
so if you look we have was 21 million
yeah
21.3 million dollars of article funds
committed to public projects
parks
so this is the status system so if you
were to go down Jerry rail Park
construction Central Park swimming pool
under construction Builders Fairview
Park is going to be under construction a
diamond field lighting is awarded and
going to be under construction the
Central Park General improvements those
are on hold right now Central City Hall
ventilation that we had a design kickoff
meeting last month the Central Park
Michigan I have tennis court we've met
with cha Sports
USTA and we have a plan of attack kind
of wrote that there we're going to
preserve ports one through five and ten
to 14. that is being designed and we're
hoping to do that as soon as possible
through a purchasing agreement Bill
holder's part that's the pool that loses
uh quite a bit of water we're going to
be doing some Mainline drain tests on
that this week Riverside Park that's on
hold old North Berry Pump Station we
have synthesis looking to put together
some big specs and plans we got quotes
to do the work it's within budget
whether it's outside of our purchasing
policy so we need to bid that it's
diamonds Park that one is on hold right
now grout Park we're doing a survey Golf
Course irrigation system is out to bid
Michigan Ave field phase one retaining
wall we awarded that last week and the
Empowerment Center we have the roof
replaced we have the deck removed we
have a design firm pending to come on
and do the design and we have a track
pending to do the environmental
mediation
yes any questions
go ahead I just want to say good work
this is great thank you for the update
yeah thank you both for detailing this
for us we're kind of guys along where we
are thank you Lord thank you any other
questions
yeah
uh just the on hold projects will
probably remain on hold until the end of
the year just because we have so many
that are in design and construction
thoughts so
we have a little bit of time I put the
arpa allocation right here in the middle
of that sentence there that we must
obligated by the 24th and spent by the
26th so for those projects that are
right now overnight in any kind of
Jeopardy
projects above we only have so much
capacity in this sort of offer
absolutely all right all right thank you
very much thank you thank you
any other business of profinance
all in favor all right thank you I'd
like to call the order of the Public
Safety Committee we have one item on the
agenda today that is discuss the
reducing City speed limit to 25 miles
per hour by councilman Patrick thank you
Mr Williams
um I wanted to put this back on the
agenda we talked about it
um last September
um and I wanted to bring It Forward
again certainly we continue to hear the
complaints from residents across the
city about the speeding issue I've asked
mayor McCarthy if he and Mr beanjo give
us some some feedback about the speeding
about this idea of reducing the speed
limit
thank you council member thank you Mr
chairman uh
this is from some of the sensors had a
lot of public discussion at Kings Road
so uh
piled
there's six sites there been afraid of
all of them
people here in the Bible
so if you look at these sites along the
road it's where the sensors are from
that we can pull speed data show
which I saw some vehicle counts
so one of their terms of the amount of
traffic that's going there and this
is a number of factors and some of this
detailed analysis before we now have it
in
with the project that Mr Wallen is
leading for
Bridge replacement
largely all these vehicles are going to
be diverted off Kings Road when puts
intended day for us to shut that down
Kings Road breaker won't open the
shutter down December first
so right about their
be some inconvenience for those
individuals that use Kings Road now but
it's the price should pay for Progress
to get the bridge replaced but from this
from each one of these sensors uh is
compiled the actual speeds that are
there and this is the seven day 85th
percentile speeds in these locations and
these nodes are you connected to know
there's 750 of them in the school
throughout the city and I'm giving us
various data such as
speed power and pedestrian value they
don't involved do the same it's because
of the mirror there
set in the position of them some of them
wanted to uh able to give us certain
things so they've looked at every single
one and collect the data
from all the items that are possible and
can be accurate in terms of information
so these are again so these are the
seven day average
certain type of speeds we're going to
walk you through all the speeds and
different locations
it's a lot of data we're going to go
through it quickly because you're
to be more than two there's so much
again this is the breakdown of the uh
actual speeds
vehicles and this is a detailed
information that we've never really had
in the past so some of the deployment of
the census that out there allow us to
collect better data and to
again hopefully do
throughout the city and that the kids
see that far away so let me just tell
you the first thing is going to bring
the circle that's the location of where
this particular sensor is and that's the
data inside so that I don't know so if
you look at compliance there one side is
the number of vehicles in
across the bottom is also depending on
the color of the graph or the speed so
you have a large number of vehicles that
are compliant with the posted speed
moving in with what would be an
acceptable
manner of driving up and down the road
I'm going to go through real quickly and
serve as much as and then do that to
make sure
the largest
to go to location two so that we were
not going down
Tuesday
Wednesday
so location three we're going to now
still at the top speed either Tuesday is
25 to 30 miles an hour but mayor and I
looked at this and Chris as well and one
of the things we looked at um because
the lower speeds are are the highest uh
numbers it's really hard to see if
you're speeding so later on toward the
end you're going to see just as few
years now okay
this information allows us to be
proactive to give the police department
the information to know when the best
time
that's time left to go out
of course now we're on location five so
we're further down now we're looking at
a little higher speed because that's a
little more street so when my homepage
away from the river session
this is the last one and this is right
over the bridge now you see it at the
top speeds during the third time the top
speed but the
those and their students 30 to 35 miles
an hour
and Sunday
and now we're going to switch to just
the vehicle speed over 30 miles an hour
to show you this one but back to
location one this is Monday
you're looking at a speed of 30 to 35
miles an hour meaning we know what we're
speeding at this time at that location
on
obviously the numbers were a lot lower
there's so so much compliment
location two
location three
by the time
so so that you know we're 30 to 35 is
out there in most of these they're 30s
legal so they could equal in 30. and we
don't have a split that much that would
be so hard to regret
you should
sustainable yeah
with us
we're at location seven on a Monday it's
a couple of uh 45 to 50s way down looks
like there might be two of them
40 45 so a little higher if you look at
3 P.M on Tuesday it's a much larger
number of people that are driving
towards the 45
and look at this around about four to
six pm at the time here
so it shows the detailed analysis that
can be done it enables better
enforcement in what recommendation to
try and use we've collected the data now
post this section of
Kings Road with a 25 mile an hour speed
collect the data over again a similar
period to see if we get element
Appliance and again this
is done after there's been a fairly
aggressive enforcement component this
take this as an experiment hosted five miles
to see what the actual shift is and then
beginning throughout the city at an
appropriate
applicable basis
data to be able to see if what we're
doing is very thin and if it is making a
difference
so I have a question so this is like a
very like limited time frame that you
collect with state it has is there a
longer time Trend that you've been
selecting in
right so these nodes were in place
for a while yeah yeah so so I was
wondering if the data was collected like
for months before that or is it just for
that week because as the mayor said that
um this is based after there's been some
like a lot of information about it you
know a lot of talk about it's been on
the news people have come down so I was
wondering if there was something to
compare to before all that enforcement
happened
yeah I mean it's possible to go back and
look at that sure
well I think that's important to have
that comparison
okay
so I kind of more to your point of
President Porterfield that was awesome
because I know that there's also was um
I'm not exactly sure what you call it
there the sign that lets people know oh
you know this is the speed this is the
speed that you're traveling
um I know that that uh that tractor
mechanism has been there for some while
so I was just well I guess my question
is similar to that could we look at some
data before that it was put in place
and then look at you know the data after
that uh specific intervention was
implemented to kind of see how effective
that is so are we going to go in the
right direction now reduction of speed
limit or is it just you know enough to
have that type of
that intervention that's in place well
it can be pulled back to whatever period
of time you want
that we're actually activated done for
reference here one week
time frame so it gives a I'll call a
workable Baseline
this level of data is not generally been
available so that
type of being a little
analytic Rock clear and
consistent results from it so it's Again
part of it is we're learning
sensors and
information in a better way to
use case manage
management I guess if I could
we certainly can provide that
information I'm not sure what we would
be looking for in front of it because we
are seeing that vehicles are speeding
you know especially to everybody rotted
in in so I mean
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so so yes the question I was asking was
more around the specific interventions
that are that have been implemented thus
far in other words if we now have this
mechanism that's letting people know
this is the speed limit this is the
speed limit that you're driving in like
I know that that hasn't been out there
yet
that's been out there at Kings Road
there for some time right so we're
coming over the bridge is actually a
sign of that same experience before the
status yeah right so what I'm saying
about so my question and um and
hopefully now or kind of along the same
train of thought is that
this data if we can look at the data pre
uh whatever interventions that we've
implemented and then post and that would
design so the question really isn't
about just some clerical question my
question isn't really about is speeding
because of clearly to the point that
there's some speeding happening my
question is about the effectiveness of
you know what interventions that we're
using I'm just saying this seems like a
really good tool to be able to do that
because we do that yeah you can do this
three different periods right
two months
hearing them I still want to be in the
spring
period because of the weather and then
we can compare that to this to after we
change
so in order to do that we don't need the
data from before because what we're
looking to do is look at two different
interventions we have this one this is
the Baseline if we do the 25 mile an
hour one we do a one week period Then
pair
I mean which intervention works we don't
really
4 in order to decide which intervention to do
see if there's any difference so you
could see if there's a statistically
different significant difference between
the two interventions in order to decide
you don't need the data before that in
order to make that decision
could I just um for clarification do you
mean when you say the two different
interventions so one would be the neon
sign that is
enforcement versus the reduced speed
right so sort of again put up right what
I'm saying is that we could look at the
specific interventions so in order to
look at the effectiveness of a specific
intervention we need to get data um
pre-intervention and post intervention
so whether that's
well actually you do if you're if you
have a tool and you're implementing a
tool
and then you look at the data what has
this tool house this changed Behavior
well if this tool is saying now that
people are speeding you implemented this
intervention now we are looking at
reduction in speed and we can say okay
well there's something to be said about
the effectiveness of set intervention if
we don't look at the data before we
implemented the tool but we don't have a good Baseline to be able to narrow
down where what intervention in
particularly was effective and which was
actually you do it's called an anova or
a t-test you can compare two columns to
see if there's a statistically
significant difference in order to see
which intervention is the better of the
two you don't really need that other
data
so um as I said to me I really want to
see the data prior to any interventions
before we um so we have that to to see
if how the intervention works the
clothes clearly through the speeding
problem it's been brought to Our
intention this is after the police thing
was put up there or the neighbor started
complaining and I understand that there
was some business by the police so I
would like to at least see and as you
said um when the spring began Mr fuccio
what the speeding was like I'd like to
see that be able to see that data as
well
even those questions or concerns
I had a question specifically definitely
I appreciate the word that's been done
so far and for any individuals watching
from the Kings Road neighborhood I'm
glad that these steps are being
considered at their present time but
with respect to other areas of the city
haven't been any discussions as the
additional neighborhoods that we can
consider also because I would hate the
center presidents of in order to get
your area in the community identified to
be coming to City Hall so I'd like to
show a collective approach as to here
are other areas where we're going to be
identifying to have similar
can we have information that's being
collected throughout the city gen
reference and
it's a number this will also
create some
unique performances because
we've had the generally
an open Period get some enforcement and
then when the bridge closes this is all
going to drop to very low numbers so
it'll cover all the bases
yes this thought was a good
section of Road uh traffic concert
fairly High there again more as a
demonstration projects were
close to speed
anytime you change vehicle uh
criteria like that it's usually creative
soft enforcement so you have to educate
people
addition and
to getting close to the higher speed we
drop it down do some measurements and
see if in fact
we're getting the results that we want
what are the best ways to
get in compliance with additional
signage is it some modification where we
put up the red lights for the flashings
and some different options there better
delineation of the streets or on the
street surface but
appropriate Lanes
some instances
turning or swinging wide we're looking
to looking where we are going to rebuild
the section of Brandywine from the state
going to 890 and that is a very high
incidence
Auto pedestrian so that after that and
that's taken a long time to actually put
together
we're going to see some positive numbers
coming up
coming out so this also stopped short of
putting up
uh stop signs so let's see if we can get
it if we put up stop signs
generally what will occur is the
of auto accidents is going to increase
people who are used to stop selling this
feeding you're going through their teeth
really getting cars that are going to
run into each other and
environmental things to keep the
vehicles moving and is the best
efficient way to handle it it's again to
get the drivers to be compliant with one
speed is
and so that they're not creating hazards
for themselves pedestrians or irritation
to the neighbors
Jason the two Kings Road
um definitely with a respect to a lot of
individuals who've been affected by this
for a long period of time I know we've
talked about it a lot we're definitely
talking about action and implementing
something is a very important
differentiation we have to make so for
clarification are we looking at lowering
the speed limit throughout the
individual locations that had higher
speeding or are we looking to limit or
lower the speed limit to all of these
locations one through seven
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identifying some additional areas you
said you would be able to comply with
listing
sure
just a question so nothing happens this
evening Jack comes back in two weeks
with data that really isn't important so
it's another two
I'm sorry can you repeat that you said
that data that was not really important
right the data that shows maybe from
March to
April and this is in May data that is
not a baseline this is our Baseline for
what what's happened what's happening
now so
all we want to do or all that should be
done is implement the 25 mile an hour
speed limit to see what the new data is
to see if that's making a difference I
mean it's kind of just simple
so I think um
two things can be true and I think that
you're you're might be an investing
responsible my inquiry was what I was
saying to what I was saying is that this
tool seems to be a way to measure the
effectiveness of any given intervention
in order to know whether intervention is
effective or not
so in order to know that if the
intervention is effective or not you
have to have data previous to the
intervention then then post the
intervention then we could say oh this
works so my question was in my statement
was this looks like a good tool in order
to do that for a very specific
intervention so that's how we can tell
the effectiveness is something you can't
measure the effectiveness of something
if you don't know what the state of it
previous the intervention and then post
information that's the only performance
making so that's why that information
will be valuable to me
and what we had talked about the last
time we talked about it is like
identifying areas throughout the city
not just a specific one which is what Mr
Blue Joe has just asked for so that when
we implement this those roads that as I
said you said there's some roads that we
could not reduce it okay
there's 750 of these numbers
you know we all have the ability like
Keith Rose does not have a lot of cyber
traffic ready coming out of them they
have a couple of key points that they
found basically their lower mind so the
traffic on the main as the opportunity
traffic signals there or anything so
they have the ability to flow
effectively so that's one of the reasons
why we're looking at this street
for a hook type because it made sense
because of the numbers we had it
available to count the traffic I guess I
thought we were looking at it is if we
test this body reducing the speed limit
to 25 miles an hour and it does make a
difference then it makes sense to expand
it in other areas but if we Institute
this 25 or around an hour at least
in the average speeds that we're moving
at then I'm not sure in my mind that makes sense to change it because
it's not really the difference
okay
I understand what you think because I
know that wasn't our initial discussion
several months ago it was talking about
looking throughout the city is what our
initial discussion was about agree with
you I don't know if Christian will talk
about that what was the sort of study
that was required that was something
that
and
thank you so the cdtc the dot and
several municipalities uh got together
to do studies on these the biggest I
would say outcome of that was that the
D.O.T from their perspective they said
that they will allow local
municipalities to do this on local roads
however they will need a detailed study
for anything that is not considered a
local Road and what that opened up for
us would be the idea that we would need
a detailed study to change the speed
limit to 25 on groups such as State
Street Union Street Erie Boulevard
Albany Street those roads that are
classified as something other than the
local and the challenge that that makes
is that then you have a network of main
roads where the speed limit is 30 and
then dozens upon dozens of local roads
off of that where the speed limit is
different meaning that we need to sign
every one of those roads
so that you know that you're entering a
road that is a different speed than the
one we're just on New York City is
experimenting with a sign when you come
in that says speed limit 25 unless
otherwise noted so then we would put
signs only on the main routes that might
save us however I don't know how
enforceable that would be if challenged
on a road that you know we would have a
dozen signs entering the city and if you
so I mean that's one of the reasons that
I haven't been actively pushing this
topic is because it's a large topic
even Kings Road it's Cloud station Kings
Road is not a vocal Rover
so we would need to talk to the dot
about that
um
yeah I mean there are the towns that
have done this so far are small I think
it's East Greenbush are both working on
these
considerably smaller than Schenectady I
don't know of any cities that have gone
through with a full city-wide change yet
but I'm sure there in the works that's
why I was working with the cdtc to see
what we could do to follow
sometimes it's just as good to follow
theme song I know for me personally I
would hate for it to be interpreted by
and watching this that the only way to
get your street or neighborhood in the
community adhere to is by getting an
article in The Gazette and I know that's
not what we're supported but definitely
there is a concerted effort from our
Avid growing white community
topic to be a survey
significant way and so I definitely
think having those surveys in Step which
show the community that we are
identifying this but also you raise a
really good point about unfortunately so
also looking at what is our multi-tiered
approach as a city with respect to
addressing cities with it with respect
to addressing speed and I think it is
now appropriate to then talk about what
tool we currently do have which is speed
homes so are there any interest or is
there additional funding to put more of
those deploy some of those resources if
we were able to speak to that right now
yeah I guess my opinion which is
probably not is popular because to be
more of the engineering opinion is that
the things that we are doing today are
what we should be doing uh the data that
initial presented you know the post the
pre-data and then we could do Post data
same order with Dwayne Avenue and rugby
which we're going to be doing
we're getting data we're seeing the
effects and then we're going to look at
the effects as it didn't work and if it
works it's a problem so what you're
saying is that you're going to put the
information before intervention and then
after the invention to measure the
effect of this intervention right okay
but this is this is
if I made a drop but this is this is the
free data and then we'll lower the speed
limit here as a demonstration project
for this one road
um and then we'll have that data as our
post data right right but I think the
difference was that there hasn't been a
police uh an enforcement uis there
hasn't been a concerted effort to notify
the community with regards to this so
interesting
so I think it's different with regards
to this uh what tomorrow doing in
speeding
yeah I guess the speed humps
you're trying not to bias the jury
you know so we we put the cameras up and
they're in incognito mode before so they
don't flash because the flashing is
actually the term you don't want to
deter you want to see what is actually
happening similarly now that we have the
speed humps on the core work with their
back and they're also in incognito mode
because we don't want to
be both now in the end of the day both
is probably the most effective but we're
trying to find out how effective were
these right so we're going to try to see
how effective they are and we're moving
them to another area you know so we're
going to have one in Hamilton Hill then
we're going to move on to the high
school area north side of the city and
see what we have and be able to say you
know what these work you know
surprisingly we have gotten any
complaints
but that was one of the you know the
many factors is we put these speed
tables directly in front of residential
homes and I have not heard from the
residents the resident one resident we
talked to welcomed it oh yeah
um and so but it is a you know it was a
noise
um that they didn't make so that was
right off the bat okay no complaints
okay now we move on to the next are they
working how far do we want to put them
apart are people speeding up is it you
know haven't haven't gotten complaints
about that
about people going over them and then
racing to the next one you know so
hopefully that's a good sign hopefully
people are adhering to it we're also
doing them in this period which were
picked this window because we're going
to have it during school not school and
then the other one is going to be no
school during school so we can try to
get a more fair evaluation of what
really happened but
I think it's difficult to just it's a
significant investment and to just go
and make it based off of you know a
complaint that's it's a difficult puts
me in a difficult position it puts John
in a difficult position for us to do
these things it's the exact same thing
that happens with stop signs you know
and that's what happened
today you know what if we got a stop
sign here that would solve all of our
problems with the stop signs or not
supposed to be traffic control devices
we're not supposed to solve problems
both will be there for a reason so
I'm gonna try to go in and to your point
they're not here right now but
enforcement
it's huge it's a huge part of it and I
do think that the police are taking it
seriously they have a grant to buy more
radar enforcement signs which we've been
working on uh the trailer they were
moving it around wherever John and I are
the mayor put it into
to try to help in certain areas so
I think that also helps
the question especially well I just I
just want to try to summarize but I
think that this demonstration project
will be some useful information and I'm
thrilled that we're doing it
has been
an ongoing discussion we're certainly
all hearing it throughout the city we're
all here I'm sure all of us are hearing
from residents that speeding is you know
one of the top concerns that's out there
right now I think we're seeing it also
probably individually as we drive around
so I appreciate everything that you guys
are doing
already to try to work on this and I'm
looking forward to getting
seeing what happens after we he puts the
25 mile per hour
in place on the demo
so just because so do we need any input
from dot at all to um I'm going to
retirement if this is the anchors we
want to look to make this the 25 miles
per hour test and I will reach out to
them
for any other questions or comments
regarding this topic about Miss Patrick
will be here bring it back in two weeks
yes sir thank you so much
there are no other items that can fall
before Public Safety can I please accept
emotions return
all those in favor
I'd like to call it or decision
development planning we have five items
on the agenda first one is Ramon to
authorize the mayor to enter into
supplemental agreement number three with
the New York State Department of
Transportation for the placement Kings
Road Bridge so speak of the devil
Kings Road Bridge uh you awarded
the actual contract to win the
construction uh two cycles ago once we
had that we sent the contract and the
documents to the dot they authorize and
come back with a supplemental agreement
the supplemental agreement in front of
you is for the 95 reimbursement for the
cost of the great replacement
are there any questions
so second I was in favor hi item number
two award-winning contract for the half
in place asphalt recycling
um this is a holding we used to do hot
and place recycling
um as everyone knows it was a process
with large train with lots of fire
rejuvenator rolling it was a actually
very useful process however it was not
applied at every application in the
right right spot right time so what
would happen is that it's an overlay it
is not a mill we usually I'd say 95
percent of our Paving program is a Mill
and paper because we have curves we have
drainage structures we have driveways we
really can't add a pavement so when we
do a hot in place we add three quarter
of an inch of a polymer pavement over
the rejuvenated service
um we found historically it does last
the product does work it saves US money
however in certain areas when we've done
it you create puddles and driveways
because we're now affecting the drainage
and so we took a pause on it for a while
and this year we have a couple of
candidates up in Bellevue that we are
looking to try it again because we think
that those candidate streets are
worthwhile this is an award-winning
contract but it's actually a piggyback
the county uses this process and we are
allowed to piggyback off of County bids
so this would be that's what we've done
in the past as we we pull what we would
like from the counties good to use it
ourselves this is the only group that
actually does this so it's almost like a
sole source but it's not and we are
going to you know walk survey the area
and we are going to try this in areas
where we think it is acceptable I'll
give you just an example to talk too
much on an area where I don't believe it
should have been done was like at Union
Avenue by Union College if you
drive it you will notice that paid over the curbs and there is a
giant rough now between union Avenue and
the green space
because we just we just put a little too
much pavement on that road we really
needed to bring the paper down
curb line established instead we kind of
overflow of the curved line and now the
Green Space has become a makeshift
gutter line which isn't how that drill
is supposed to be so that is an instance
where you really just don't want to go
and hold the later road because it's a
nice new product
and so so I'm hearing that my first
intention is like that's amazing that we
like I have identified that now
your experience how is that continually
captured moving forward
like that truth that
of what we should have done well you
could always do it by you know the
artists in the end but now you know we
have a consultant and we tell them these
are the tools that we would like to have
in our toolbox and look for candidate streets so
typically downtown if we're doing a
downtown area the other thing is to tell
you the train is enormous they call it a
train it is enormous it cannot do city
streets it needs to kind of just fade
away and make a nice big radius it's a
camel nice turn Fairview those are nice
streams to have you know that kind of a
process you know you couldn't put it in
a downtown Because by the time the first
truck is making the turn the last truck
they're Jane and so it's really meant
for uh you know more rural roads but we
did find that it was a good product and
I'm not saying you'll see me here next
year with it it's kind of like if a road
is applicable for it we use it if not if
not and since we can piggyback it really
doesn't add a lot of work to our
workbook we're just selecting things
um
you mentioned Bellevue as possible sites
I was just wondering can you identified
where you think you're going to be yeah
I think Campbell's the main one that
we're going to try it on and try to do
as much as Campbell as we can because
that seems to work out pretty well for
that and then I think a piece of
Fairview I don't have the list I should
have brought it but those are the areas
we like it's just kind of and you know
the paving program we're trying to do
things in concentration so we're not
going back to one area and you know
hitting people every year so that's
where that's where we're looking to do
but I can send the list to you tomorrow
morning
sure yeah
any questions
right there yes
thank you
any questions
thank you
I'm number three the filing of zoning
administrative decisions
um Mr Marney
yet unfortunately I had to run out of
the Planning Commission meeting so I
will come with us
um so one of the requirements
um that happens out of the zoning office
is or part of the job is to for the
zoning officer to issue zoning
compliance determinations or
administrative zoning decisions somebody
will request something very specific the
zoning officer reviews uh the requests
and then comes up with the determination
as it stands right now those
determination letters are filed in that
office
a better practice and it would have to
be authorized by city councils for those
decision letters those administrative
zoning decisions to be filed with
um the the record officer for the city
which is the city clerk so that is
because it is an administrative decision
so it would be accessible to the public
and it would create a process for
essentially a time limit for somebody
who would like to challenge a
determination by the zoning officer to
do it within a certain amount of time
once it's filed with the city clerk
as I said many of these decision letters
right now are not well none of them are
following the city clerk and this would
create a formal office for the receipt
of those the term those determinations
um because there is a deadline for
people to challenge a decision of the
zoning officer by filing it with the
city clerk every single time it would
create essentially uh the stopwatch so
to speak for a person to challenge the
determination because those
discriminations would be challenged you
know through uh could be the BCA and
eventually become an article 78 some
people challenging care too so this
creates a formal process so we're
looking for authorization for the city
council to
require the zoning officer to file those
administrative zoning decisions with the
city clerk and also direct the zoning
officer to also file those
administrative zoning decisions not from
a legal standpoint but just a practical
standpoint in whatever computer system
the city is using but currently it's
Unicity but who knows in you know 20
years it could be a different program
that the city sees it
so that's what we're looking for is just
a way to clean up the process that's
currently in place by creating one
designated person legally to for which
the zoning officer would file those
decisions
so do you know about how many decisions
we're talking about I'm just I'm just
trying to get my head around how much
additional work this is going to create
um I don't know the exact number that
come in
um certainly you know we're not talking
about one a day or anything along those
lines they come up periodically uh many
times it's somebody who's looking to buy
a property and they want to know hey can
I use the property for this under the
zoning code
um the informal request and then a
formal letter from the zoning officer
that letter would then be filed so it
doesn't you know it comes up every so
often a lot of times it will be like
maybe in an R1 District where there's a
two-family house can I still use it as a
two-family house or in a commercial
District can I use it as you know this
commercial space as a restaurant so it
would be a decision letter like that and
the process for the city clerk will just
be to receive
um it is a filing like the city clerk
would receive a determination of the BCA
Williams was this determination made
with the city clerk's office the city
clerk um no the city clerk is aware of
it um you know we did talk about it at
the legislative conference
it does create as I said you know
it is more work than cities for the city
clerk's office there's no doubt about it
um you know I can't tell you how much
more time it will take for the city
clerk to you know receive and then you
know file and presumably put into laser
fish it would be the zoning officer who
would put it in the computer system the
separate computer system that you know
the Departments have access to but it
really is you know a necessary piece for
the city to create a formal body to
clerk to receive these decisions
any other questions
all right
um
item number four is the sale of a
property of 2180 Desmond Avenue make a
lot and item number five is a special
1040 Wonder Avenue and both of those
will be an executive session so at this
point in time I'd like to ask for a
motion to reset
okay I'd like to call our claims
committee to order we have three items
on the agenda all of which need to be
addressed in indicative sessions so I
would like to call for a motion to go
into executive session
so all in favor
aye okay thank you
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