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[9:31] all right
[9:33] I like to call it supports Schenectady
[9:35] city council committee meeting for
[9:38] Monday June 20 June excuse me Tuesday
[9:41] June 20th 2023.
[9:44] um First Community is finance
[9:48] thank you I would like to call the
[9:50] finance committee to order the course
[9:52] item is authorization to enter
[9:54] agreements cares of New York
[10:01] so
[10:02] prong is going to take this
[10:10] afternoon
[10:12] as a part of the American Rescue plan at
[10:16] HUD has distributed home investment
[10:19] funds to assist individuals and
[10:21] households who are homeless at risk
[10:23] diplomacies and other vulnerable
[10:24] populations through the Schenectady home
[10:27] Consortium the city of Schenectady the
[10:29] city of Troy the town of colony are
[10:31] allocated a 3.8 million dollars in
[10:35] funding
[10:36] we are asking for authorization to enter
[10:38] into agreement with cares of New York
[10:40] for and not not to exceed of 413 938 of
[10:47] Home art funds funding allocated to the
[10:51] Consortium through December 31st 2029 to
[10:54] administer the implementation of the
[10:56] homeowner application
[10:58] questions comments
[11:02] Cena and worship
[11:04] some a second but all if you ever hi
[11:08] thank you thank you thank you the next
[11:11] item is
[11:12] contract follow-up
[11:14] the Ferrari
[11:21] 's out here
[12:01] oh okay great thank you
[12:10] all the funding that we involved
[12:13] what we have here is an application of
[12:15] all the funding that we had so far from
[12:17] our book and including that I have some
[12:20] in color here and at the last page it
[12:23] shows when they would have named the
[12:25] colors greens mean that we are
[12:26] contracted with these agencies
[12:29] colors uh the yellows show that we're
[12:32] about to contract with these agencies
[12:34] and the one in blue are we have receipt
[12:38] they have received specs that we're
[12:39] going out to bid to see where they're
[12:41] where they are I've been in contact with
[12:43] a few of these arpa agencies I had a
[12:46] meeting specifically with the electric
[12:49] uh Electric City Co-Op uh over the
[12:52] weekend to find out where they are where
[12:54] they're going we let them know that you
[12:57] know times of essence they have until
[12:59] September of 2022 to get the funds that
[13:03] they said that they're going to need to
[13:06] allocate 6.7 million dollars to get our
[13:09] one million dollar contract
[13:11] they're
[13:13] a problem that they're having is uh
[13:15] they're looking to purchase of New York
[13:18] which is the school that bought so I
[13:20] kind of put them in a tailspin and now
[13:23] so they're looking at other options
[13:26] uh one of the things that I mentioned is
[13:29] that they had other monies coming from
[13:31] the county whatever and they asked
[13:33] everybody says well you that all has to
[13:34] be in place before we do our contract
[13:37] with you so I let them know that they're
[13:40] working on it and hopefully uh uh
[13:42] they're located in time uh I did have
[13:45] some Communications uh uh at third party
[13:47] Communications with the uh
[13:50] aquatic group and the work that I ever
[13:55] had was that they're looking someplace
[13:57] or rather than uh New York and I think
[13:59] that disqualifies it from our top our
[14:02] program it has not been has not been
[14:05] completed yet uh so you know if they
[14:07] come to Schenectady or they still have
[14:09] to come up with their funding too and
[14:11] that again that is uh by uh October August for them to get their
[14:17] money we gain one year
[14:19] uh we're following up
[14:23] here with the seat see we're very close
[14:26] with the seat for uh uh and the
[14:29] empowerment education for jobs and uh
[14:33] where I'm going on a lot of the
[14:35] decisions projects with approval so
[14:37] we're getting ready to bid for the golf
[14:40] irrigation uh I believe
[14:42] I'm looking at the work at steinman's
[14:45] Park and
[14:47] this is the last one and Jerry Burrell
[14:50] Park was getting ready to start one of
[14:53] the things we're going to have to ask is
[14:54] the big questions when we start getting
[14:56] with our bids back for instance for the
[14:58] uh Miracle on Craig Street Harbor rehab
[15:02] you know what have what do we do if it
[15:05] comes like a million dollars more than
[15:06] we allocated uh you know that's the
[15:08] question that we have to ask do we go
[15:10] for more money how does that happen you
[15:13] know what what are the factors that
[15:14] include that again those are some of the
[15:18] questions that they ask and uh the other
[15:20] question is what would they do if they
[15:22] need more time you know and of course my advice to them was you would have to
[15:27] come to
[15:28] speak to him another uh
[15:32] a problem that was asked was about if
[15:35] they wanted to change their original
[15:41] application I said I didn't think you
[15:44] could change it but again that's really
[15:46] all up to the powers to be so uh if you
[15:51] have any other questions
[15:54] question go ahead so some of these did
[15:56] not have to have any um there were no
[15:59] contingencies attached so
[16:01] um so I'm just kind of wondering why
[16:03] what's like so the Enterprise seat you
[16:05] mentioned is going to be doing very soon
[16:07] they're getting ready to go but like the
[16:10] food delivery box like for 50 000 more
[16:14] so you don't think so right so for
[16:16] instance so one of the things I'm a
[16:18] communication with Proctors for the
[16:20] Proctors for their uh a reopening
[16:23] startup and you know I emailed them say
[16:25] I know I know you're open so you must
[16:27] have completed the work I go maybe you
[16:29] don't need the money now let us know so
[16:31] um you know it's you send emails out
[16:33] they don't come back you know so we're
[16:35] kind of at a standstill of some of these
[16:36] things
[16:37] uh also too some some of these Waller
[16:40] organizations their their people have
[16:42] changed and so you know I gotta try to
[16:46] find like who's in charge of it to
[16:48] actually send them or talk to them to
[16:49] see what we can move this out see ya
[16:53] understand go ahead please you're making
[16:55] the direct contact I'm trying to make
[16:57] the direct contacts and I'm actually
[16:59] bringing them in there you know to be
[17:01] with me so I could see who they are and
[17:02] really go through it you know
[17:05] good so I just want to go back to miss
[17:07] porterfield's question so you haven't
[17:09] did you not get a response from the
[17:10] Green Market about yeah like uh I
[17:14] thought Haley bakar was the head of it
[17:15] but she she's no longer the head of the
[17:18] community so I'm trying to find who
[17:20] who's ahead of it and who's going to
[17:22] move this forward you might see Mary
[17:23] Jane shave I'm not sure which I don't
[17:25] have any information
[17:28] or area I'm not sure I don't know
[17:43] I don't have I don't have a connection
[17:45] with them either so anybody knows I'll
[17:48] send you something please I appreciate
[17:49] it yep
[17:57] it's safe to assume that any projects
[17:59] without any additional numbers or
[18:01] figures represent agencies that haven't
[18:04] had communication with you correct
[18:05] credit on that contracted right
[18:09] and at the very far and right corner is
[18:12] actually what we have spec and then
[18:14] totals at the bottoms
[18:23] hmm
[18:27] yeah so so you gave us some indication
[18:29] verbally of what who's going on contact
[18:31] so um when we see this again in the
[18:33] topics like the tennis Central Park
[18:36] tennis courts there's no activity on
[18:39] that
[18:40] um
[18:44] yeah oh okay yeah the public ones yeah
[18:47] they're kind of mixed in there
[18:49] I just wanted to give you the list but
[18:52] Chris can answer a lot of yourself about
[18:55] the pools the parks
[18:57] there you go Chris thank you
[19:07] so the list that I'm handing out
[19:09] that is the public part of the process
[19:12] that engineering is the lead on I'm
[19:15] working with Anthony on them however
[19:17] they are not
[19:19] talking about
[19:21] so if you look we have was 21 million
[19:24] yeah
[19:26] 21.3 million dollars of article funds
[19:29] committed to public projects
[19:34] parks
[19:35] so this is the status system so if you
[19:37] were to go down Jerry rail Park
[19:39] construction Central Park swimming pool
[19:41] under construction Builders Fairview
[19:43] Park is going to be under construction a
[19:46] diamond field lighting is awarded and
[19:48] going to be under construction the
[19:50] Central Park General improvements those
[19:51] are on hold right now Central City Hall
[19:55] ventilation that we had a design kickoff
[19:57] meeting last month the Central Park
[19:59] Michigan I have tennis court we've met
[20:01] with cha Sports
[20:03] USTA and we have a plan of attack kind
[20:06] of wrote that there we're going to
[20:08] preserve ports one through five and ten
[20:10] to 14. that is being designed and we're
[20:13] hoping to do that as soon as possible
[20:14] through a purchasing agreement Bill
[20:16] holder's part that's the pool that loses
[20:18] uh quite a bit of water we're going to
[20:20] be doing some Mainline drain tests on
[20:22] that this week Riverside Park that's on
[20:25] hold old North Berry Pump Station we
[20:28] have synthesis looking to put together
[20:29] some big specs and plans we got quotes
[20:32] to do the work it's within budget
[20:33] whether it's outside of our purchasing
[20:35] policy so we need to bid that it's
[20:37] diamonds Park that one is on hold right
[20:39] now grout Park we're doing a survey Golf
[20:42] Course irrigation system is out to bid
[20:44] Michigan Ave field phase one retaining
[20:47] wall we awarded that last week and the
[20:49] Empowerment Center we have the roof
[20:51] replaced we have the deck removed we
[20:54] have a design firm pending to come on
[20:56] and do the design and we have a track
[20:59] pending to do the environmental
[21:01] mediation
[21:09] yes any questions
[21:13] go ahead I just want to say good work
[21:15] this is great thank you for the update
[21:17] yeah thank you both for detailing this
[21:20] for us we're kind of guys along where we
[21:23] are thank you Lord thank you any other
[21:25] questions
[21:28] yeah
[21:32] uh just the on hold projects will
[21:35] probably remain on hold until the end of
[21:38] the year just because we have so many
[21:40] that are in design and construction
[21:43] thoughts so
[21:45] we have a little bit of time I put the
[21:48] arpa allocation right here in the middle
[21:50] of that sentence there that we must
[21:52] obligated by the 24th and spent by the
[21:54] 26th so for those projects that are
[21:57] right now overnight in any kind of
[21:58] Jeopardy
[22:00] projects above we only have so much
[22:03] capacity in this sort of offer
[22:04] absolutely all right all right thank you
[22:06] very much thank you thank you
[22:09] any other business of profinance
[22:12] all in favor all right thank you I'd
[22:15] like to call the order of the Public
[22:16] Safety Committee we have one item on the
[22:18] agenda today that is discuss the
[22:20] reducing City speed limit to 25 miles
[22:22] per hour by councilman Patrick thank you
[22:25] Mr Williams
[22:26] um I wanted to put this back on the
[22:28] agenda we talked about it
[22:30] um last September
[22:33] um and I wanted to bring It Forward
[22:34] again certainly we continue to hear the
[22:37] complaints from residents across the
[22:39] city about the speeding issue I've asked
[22:42] mayor McCarthy if he and Mr beanjo give
[22:45] us some some feedback about the speeding
[22:49] about this idea of reducing the speed
[22:52] limit
[22:55] thank you council member thank you Mr
[22:57] chairman uh
[23:03] this is from some of the sensors had a
[23:07] lot of public discussion at Kings Road
[23:11] so uh
[23:14] piled
[23:16] there's six sites there been afraid of
[23:19] all of them
[23:20] people here in the Bible
[23:25] so if you look at these sites along the
[23:28] road it's where the sensors are from
[23:32] that we can pull speed data show
[23:38] which I saw some vehicle counts
[23:41] so one of their terms of the amount of
[23:45] traffic that's going there and this
[23:49] is a number of factors and some of this
[23:53] detailed analysis before we now have it
[23:56] in
[23:57] with the project that Mr Wallen is
[24:00] leading for
[24:01] Bridge replacement
[24:03] largely all these vehicles are going to
[24:06] be diverted off Kings Road when puts
[24:09] intended day for us to shut that down
[24:11] Kings Road breaker won't open the
[24:12] shutter down December first
[24:14] so right about their
[24:17] be some inconvenience for those
[24:21] individuals that use Kings Road now but
[24:23] it's the price should pay for Progress
[24:25] to get the bridge replaced but from this
[24:28] from each one of these sensors uh is
[24:32] compiled the actual speeds that are
[24:37] there and this is the seven day 85th
[24:41] percentile speeds in these locations and
[24:45] these nodes are you connected to know
[24:46] there's 750 of them in the school
[24:49] throughout the city and I'm giving us
[24:52] various data such as
[24:54] speed power and pedestrian value they
[24:58] don't involved do the same it's because
[25:00] of the mirror there
[25:02] set in the position of them some of them
[25:05] wanted to uh able to give us certain
[25:08] things so they've looked at every single
[25:11] one and collect the data
[25:14] from all the items that are possible and
[25:17] can be accurate in terms of information
[25:20] so these are again so these are the
[25:23] seven day average
[25:26] certain type of speeds we're going to
[25:29] walk you through all the speeds and
[25:31] different locations
[25:34] it's a lot of data we're going to go
[25:36] through it quickly because you're
[25:39] to be more than two there's so much
[25:46] again this is the breakdown of the uh
[25:50] actual speeds
[25:52] vehicles and this is a detailed
[25:55] information that we've never really had
[25:58] in the past so some of the deployment of
[26:00] the census that out there allow us to
[26:02] collect better data and to
[26:05] again hopefully do
[26:08] throughout the city and that the kids
[26:11] see that far away so let me just tell
[26:14] you the first thing is going to bring
[26:16] the circle that's the location of where
[26:18] this particular sensor is and that's the
[26:21] data inside so that I don't know so if
[26:25] you look at compliance there one side is
[26:29] the number of vehicles in
[26:32] across the bottom is also depending on
[26:35] the color of the graph or the speed so
[26:37] you have a large number of vehicles that
[26:39] are compliant with the posted speed
[26:42] moving in with what would be an
[26:44] acceptable
[26:46] manner of driving up and down the road
[26:48] I'm going to go through real quickly and
[26:50] serve as much as and then do that to
[26:52] make sure
[27:02] the largest
[27:11] to go to location two so that we were
[27:15] not going down
[27:20] Tuesday
[27:21] Wednesday
[27:39] so location three we're going to now
[27:41] still at the top speed either Tuesday is
[27:44] 25 to 30 miles an hour but mayor and I
[27:47] looked at this and Chris as well and one
[27:49] of the things we looked at um because
[27:51] the lower speeds are are the highest uh
[27:55] numbers it's really hard to see if
[27:58] you're speeding so later on toward the
[28:01] end you're going to see just as few
[28:02] years now okay
[28:25] this information allows us to be
[28:27] proactive to give the police department
[28:30] the information to know when the best
[28:32] time
[28:33] that's time left to go out
[28:35] of course now we're on location five so
[28:38] we're further down now we're looking at
[28:41] a little higher speed because that's a
[28:43] little more street so when my homepage
[28:45] away from the river session
[28:55] this is the last one and this is right
[28:57] over the bridge now you see it at the
[29:00] top speeds during the third time the top
[29:02] speed but the
[29:04] those and their students 30 to 35 miles
[29:08] an hour
[29:16] and Sunday
[29:17] and now we're going to switch to just
[29:20] the vehicle speed over 30 miles an hour
[29:29] to show you this one but back to
[29:30] location one this is Monday
[29:33] you're looking at a speed of 30 to 35
[29:36] miles an hour meaning we know what we're
[29:39] speeding at this time at that location
[29:41] on
[29:48] obviously the numbers were a lot lower
[29:52] there's so so much compliment
[30:03] location two
[30:15] location three
[30:16] by the time
[30:27] so so that you know we're 30 to 35 is
[30:29] out there in most of these they're 30s
[30:31] legal so they could equal in 30. and we
[30:34] don't have a split that much that would
[30:37] be so hard to regret
[30:49] you should
[30:54] sustainable yeah
[31:01] with us
[31:10] we're at location seven on a Monday it's
[31:13] a couple of uh 45 to 50s way down looks
[31:17] like there might be two of them
[31:23] 40 45 so a little higher if you look at
[31:26] 3 P.M on Tuesday it's a much larger
[31:29] number of people that are driving
[31:32] towards the 45
[31:40] and look at this around about four to
[31:42] six pm at the time here
[31:59] so it shows the detailed analysis that
[32:01] can be done it enables better
[32:05] enforcement in what recommendation to
[32:09] try and use we've collected the data now
[32:13] post this section of
[32:16] Kings Road with a 25 mile an hour speed
[32:21] collect the data over again a similar
[32:23] period to see if we get element
[32:25] Appliance and again this
[32:29] is done after there's been a fairly
[32:31] aggressive enforcement component this
[32:35] take this as an experiment hosted five miles
[32:40] to see what the actual shift is and then
[32:45] beginning throughout the city at an
[32:48] appropriate
[32:49] applicable basis
[32:53] data to be able to see if what we're
[32:55] doing is very thin and if it is making a
[32:57] difference
[33:06] so I have a question so this is like a
[33:10] very like limited time frame that you
[33:12] collect with state it has is there a
[33:14] longer time Trend that you've been
[33:15] selecting in
[33:17] right so these nodes were in place
[33:21] for a while yeah yeah so so I was
[33:25] wondering if the data was collected like
[33:27] for months before that or is it just for
[33:29] that week because as the mayor said that
[33:32] um this is based after there's been some
[33:35] like a lot of information about it you
[33:37] know a lot of talk about it's been on
[33:38] the news people have come down so I was
[33:41] wondering if there was something to
[33:42] compare to before all that enforcement
[33:43] happened
[33:46] yeah I mean it's possible to go back and
[33:49] look at that sure
[33:51] well I think that's important to have
[33:53] that comparison
[33:56] okay
[33:57] so I kind of more to your point of
[34:00] President Porterfield that was awesome
[34:02] because I know that there's also was um
[34:03] I'm not exactly sure what you call it
[34:06] there the sign that lets people know oh
[34:08] you know this is the speed this is the
[34:10] speed that you're traveling
[34:13] um I know that that uh that tractor
[34:15] mechanism has been there for some while
[34:17] so I was just well I guess my question
[34:19] is similar to that could we look at some
[34:22] data before that it was put in place
[34:25] and then look at you know the data after
[34:28] that uh specific intervention was
[34:31] implemented to kind of see how effective
[34:33] that is so are we going to go in the
[34:35] right direction now reduction of speed
[34:38] limit or is it just you know enough to
[34:41] have that type of
[34:43] that intervention that's in place well
[34:46] it can be pulled back to whatever period
[34:49] of time you want
[34:51] that we're actually activated done for
[34:54] reference here one week
[34:57] time frame so it gives a I'll call a
[35:01] workable Baseline
[35:03] this level of data is not generally been
[35:07] available so that
[35:10] type of being a little
[35:14] analytic Rock clear and
[35:16] consistent results from it so it's Again
[35:19] part of it is we're learning
[35:22] sensors and
[35:25] information in a better way to
[35:27] use case manage
[35:31] management I guess if I could
[35:34] we certainly can provide that
[35:36] information I'm not sure what we would
[35:37] be looking for in front of it because we
[35:39] are seeing that vehicles are speeding
[35:42] you know especially to everybody rotted
[35:44] in in so I mean
[36:00] [Music]
[36:05] show you
[36:07] that you know
[36:10] [Music]
[36:13] so so yes the question I was asking was
[36:18] more around the specific interventions
[36:20] that are that have been implemented thus
[36:21] far in other words if we now have this
[36:24] mechanism that's letting people know
[36:26] this is the speed limit this is the
[36:28] speed limit that you're driving in like
[36:30] I know that that hasn't been out there
[36:31] yet
[36:34] that's been out there at Kings Road
[36:37] there for some time right so we're
[36:38] coming over the bridge is actually a
[36:41] sign of that same experience before the
[36:44] status yeah right so what I'm saying
[36:46] about so my question and um and
[36:49] hopefully now or kind of along the same
[36:51] train of thought is that
[36:54] this data if we can look at the data pre
[36:57] uh whatever interventions that we've
[36:59] implemented and then post and that would
[37:01] design so the question really isn't
[37:03] about just some clerical question my
[37:06] question isn't really about is speeding
[37:08] because of clearly to the point that
[37:10] there's some speeding happening my
[37:12] question is about the effectiveness of
[37:14] you know what interventions that we're
[37:16] using I'm just saying this seems like a
[37:18] really good tool to be able to do that
[37:19] because we do that yeah you can do this
[37:21] three different periods right
[37:24] two months
[37:26] hearing them I still want to be in the
[37:28] spring
[37:30] period because of the weather and then
[37:32] we can compare that to this to after we
[37:36] change
[37:39] so in order to do that we don't need the
[37:40] data from before because what we're
[37:42] looking to do is look at two different
[37:44] interventions we have this one this is
[37:46] the Baseline if we do the 25 mile an
[37:49] hour one we do a one week period Then
[37:52] pair
[37:53] I mean which intervention works we don't
[37:55] really
[37:57] 4 in order to decide which intervention to do
[38:01] see if there's any difference so you
[38:03] could see if there's a statistically
[38:05] different significant difference between
[38:07] the two interventions in order to decide
[38:10] you don't need the data before that in
[38:12] order to make that decision
[38:15] could I just um for clarification do you
[38:18] mean when you say the two different
[38:19] interventions so one would be the neon
[38:22] sign that is
[38:23] enforcement versus the reduced speed
[38:26] right so sort of again put up right what
[38:31] I'm saying is that we could look at the
[38:33] specific interventions so in order to
[38:35] look at the effectiveness of a specific
[38:37] intervention we need to get data um
[38:39] pre-intervention and post intervention
[38:40] so whether that's
[38:42] well actually you do if you're if you
[38:46] have a tool and you're implementing a
[38:48] tool
[38:49] and then you look at the data what has
[38:52] this tool house this changed Behavior
[38:54] well if this tool is saying now that
[38:56] people are speeding you implemented this
[38:58] intervention now we are looking at
[39:00] reduction in speed and we can say okay
[39:02] well there's something to be said about
[39:04] the effectiveness of set intervention if
[39:06] we don't look at the data before we
[39:08] implemented the tool but we don't have a good Baseline to be able to narrow
[39:13] down where what intervention in
[39:15] particularly was effective and which was
[39:18] actually you do it's called an anova or
[39:21] a t-test you can compare two columns to
[39:24] see if there's a statistically
[39:26] significant difference in order to see
[39:28] which intervention is the better of the
[39:31] two you don't really need that other
[39:33] data
[39:37] so um as I said to me I really want to
[39:40] see the data prior to any interventions
[39:43] before we um so we have that to to see
[39:47] if how the intervention works the
[39:49] clothes clearly through the speeding
[39:51] problem it's been brought to Our
[39:52] intention this is after the police thing
[39:55] was put up there or the neighbor started
[39:57] complaining and I understand that there
[39:59] was some business by the police so I
[40:00] would like to at least see and as you
[40:02] said um when the spring began Mr fuccio
[40:05] what the speeding was like I'd like to
[40:07] see that be able to see that data as
[40:09] well
[40:13] even those questions or concerns
[40:16] I had a question specifically definitely
[40:18] I appreciate the word that's been done
[40:20] so far and for any individuals watching
[40:22] from the Kings Road neighborhood I'm
[40:24] glad that these steps are being
[40:26] considered at their present time but
[40:29] with respect to other areas of the city
[40:30] haven't been any discussions as the
[40:32] additional neighborhoods that we can
[40:34] consider also because I would hate the
[40:35] center presidents of in order to get
[40:37] your area in the community identified to
[40:39] be coming to City Hall so I'd like to
[40:41] show a collective approach as to here
[40:44] are other areas where we're going to be
[40:45] identifying to have similar
[40:51] can we have information that's being
[40:53] collected throughout the city gen
[40:55] reference and
[40:57] it's a number this will also
[41:01] create some
[41:03] unique performances because
[41:06] we've had the generally
[41:09] an open Period get some enforcement and
[41:12] then when the bridge closes this is all
[41:14] going to drop to very low numbers so
[41:17] it'll cover all the bases
[41:20] yes this thought was a good
[41:24] section of Road uh traffic concert
[41:27] fairly High there again more as a
[41:30] demonstration projects were
[41:33] close to speed
[41:35] anytime you change vehicle uh
[41:39] criteria like that it's usually creative
[41:42] soft enforcement so you have to educate
[41:44] people
[41:46] addition and
[41:48] to getting close to the higher speed we
[41:51] drop it down do some measurements and
[41:54] see if in fact
[41:56] we're getting the results that we want
[42:00] what are the best ways to
[42:04] get in compliance with additional
[42:07] signage is it some modification where we
[42:11] put up the red lights for the flashings
[42:12] and some different options there better
[42:15] delineation of the streets or on the
[42:19] street surface but
[42:21] appropriate Lanes
[42:23] some instances
[42:27] turning or swinging wide we're looking
[42:30] to looking where we are going to rebuild
[42:33] the section of Brandywine from the state
[42:37] going to 890 and that is a very high
[42:39] incidence
[42:44] Auto pedestrian so that after that and
[42:47] that's taken a long time to actually put
[42:50] together
[42:50] we're going to see some positive numbers
[42:53] coming up
[42:54] coming out so this also stopped short of
[42:57] putting up
[42:58] uh stop signs so let's see if we can get
[43:01] it if we put up stop signs
[43:04] generally what will occur is the
[43:08] of auto accidents is going to increase
[43:12] people who are used to stop selling this
[43:15] feeding you're going through their teeth
[43:17] really getting cars that are going to
[43:18] run into each other and
[43:23] environmental things to keep the
[43:25] vehicles moving and is the best
[43:29] efficient way to handle it it's again to
[43:32] get the drivers to be compliant with one
[43:36] speed is
[43:37] and so that they're not creating hazards
[43:40] for themselves pedestrians or irritation
[43:42] to the neighbors
[43:44] Jason the two Kings Road
[43:49] um definitely with a respect to a lot of
[43:52] individuals who've been affected by this
[43:53] for a long period of time I know we've
[43:55] talked about it a lot we're definitely
[43:56] talking about action and implementing
[43:58] something is a very important
[43:59] differentiation we have to make so for
[44:01] clarification are we looking at lowering
[44:04] the speed limit throughout the
[44:05] individual locations that had higher
[44:08] speeding or are we looking to limit or
[44:10] lower the speed limit to all of these
[44:13] locations one through seven
[44:18] [Music]
[44:29] identifying some additional areas you
[44:31] said you would be able to comply with
[44:33] listing
[44:35] sure
[44:41] just a question so nothing happens this
[44:44] evening Jack comes back in two weeks
[44:46] with data that really isn't important so
[44:48] it's another two
[44:50] I'm sorry can you repeat that you said
[44:52] that data that was not really important
[44:54] right the data that shows maybe from
[44:58] March to
[45:01] April and this is in May data that is
[45:06] not a baseline this is our Baseline for
[45:08] what what's happened what's happening
[45:10] now so
[45:12] all we want to do or all that should be
[45:15] done is implement the 25 mile an hour
[45:17] speed limit to see what the new data is
[45:20] to see if that's making a difference I
[45:22] mean it's kind of just simple
[45:26] so I think um
[45:29] two things can be true and I think that
[45:30] you're you're might be an investing
[45:34] responsible my inquiry was what I was
[45:36] saying to what I was saying is that this
[45:39] tool seems to be a way to measure the
[45:40] effectiveness of any given intervention
[45:43] in order to know whether intervention is
[45:46] effective or not
[45:48] so in order to know that if the
[45:50] intervention is effective or not you
[45:52] have to have data previous to the
[45:54] intervention then then post the
[45:57] intervention then we could say oh this
[45:59] works so my question was in my statement
[46:04] was this looks like a good tool in order
[46:06] to do that for a very specific
[46:08] intervention so that's how we can tell
[46:09] the effectiveness is something you can't
[46:11] measure the effectiveness of something
[46:13] if you don't know what the state of it
[46:15] previous the intervention and then post
[46:18] information that's the only performance
[46:20] making so that's why that information
[46:22] will be valuable to me
[46:24] and what we had talked about the last
[46:26] time we talked about it is like
[46:28] identifying areas throughout the city
[46:30] not just a specific one which is what Mr
[46:33] Blue Joe has just asked for so that when
[46:36] we implement this those roads that as I
[46:38] said you said there's some roads that we
[46:40] could not reduce it okay
[46:44] there's 750 of these numbers
[46:47] you know we all have the ability like
[46:50] Keith Rose does not have a lot of cyber
[46:54] traffic ready coming out of them they
[46:56] have a couple of key points that they
[46:57] found basically their lower mind so the
[47:00] traffic on the main as the opportunity
[47:03] traffic signals there or anything so
[47:06] they have the ability to flow
[47:08] effectively so that's one of the reasons
[47:11] why we're looking at this street
[47:13] for a hook type because it made sense
[47:15] because of the numbers we had it
[47:18] available to count the traffic I guess I
[47:21] thought we were looking at it is if we
[47:24] test this body reducing the speed limit
[47:26] to 25 miles an hour and it does make a
[47:29] difference then it makes sense to expand
[47:32] it in other areas but if we Institute
[47:35] this 25 or around an hour at least
[47:38] in the average speeds that we're moving
[47:41] at then I'm not sure in my mind that makes sense to change it because
[47:46] it's not really the difference
[47:49] okay
[47:51] I understand what you think because I
[47:53] know that wasn't our initial discussion
[47:54] several months ago it was talking about
[47:56] looking throughout the city is what our
[47:59] initial discussion was about agree with
[48:01] you I don't know if Christian will talk
[48:03] about that what was the sort of study
[48:07] that was required that was something
[48:10] that
[48:12] and
[48:24] thank you so the cdtc the dot and
[48:28] several municipalities uh got together
[48:30] to do studies on these the biggest I
[48:34] would say outcome of that was that the
[48:37] D.O.T from their perspective they said
[48:39] that they will allow local
[48:41] municipalities to do this on local roads
[48:46] however they will need a detailed study
[48:48] for anything that is not considered a
[48:50] local Road and what that opened up for
[48:53] us would be the idea that we would need
[48:56] a detailed study to change the speed
[48:59] limit to 25 on groups such as State
[49:01] Street Union Street Erie Boulevard
[49:03] Albany Street those roads that are
[49:05] classified as something other than the
[49:07] local and the challenge that that makes
[49:10] is that then you have a network of main
[49:14] roads where the speed limit is 30 and
[49:16] then dozens upon dozens of local roads
[49:20] off of that where the speed limit is
[49:21] different meaning that we need to sign
[49:23] every one of those roads
[49:25] so that you know that you're entering a
[49:27] road that is a different speed than the
[49:28] one we're just on New York City is
[49:31] experimenting with a sign when you come
[49:34] in that says speed limit 25 unless
[49:38] otherwise noted so then we would put
[49:41] signs only on the main routes that might
[49:43] save us however I don't know how
[49:45] enforceable that would be if challenged
[49:47] on a road that you know we would have a
[49:50] dozen signs entering the city and if you
[49:53] so I mean that's one of the reasons that
[49:55] I haven't been actively pushing this
[49:58] topic is because it's a large topic
[50:01] even Kings Road it's Cloud station Kings
[50:04] Road is not a vocal Rover
[50:08] so we would need to talk to the dot
[50:10] about that
[50:12] um
[50:13] yeah I mean there are the towns that
[50:15] have done this so far are small I think
[50:17] it's East Greenbush are both working on
[50:20] these
[50:21] considerably smaller than Schenectady I
[50:23] don't know of any cities that have gone
[50:25] through with a full city-wide change yet
[50:27] but I'm sure there in the works that's
[50:28] why I was working with the cdtc to see
[50:30] what we could do to follow
[50:33] sometimes it's just as good to follow
[50:37] theme song I know for me personally I
[50:39] would hate for it to be interpreted by
[50:42] and watching this that the only way to
[50:44] get your street or neighborhood in the
[50:46] community adhere to is by getting an
[50:49] article in The Gazette and I know that's
[50:51] not what we're supported but definitely
[50:54] there is a concerted effort from our
[50:57] Avid growing white community
[51:02] topic to be a survey
[51:05] significant way and so I definitely
[51:07] think having those surveys in Step which
[51:09] show the community that we are
[51:11] identifying this but also you raise a
[51:13] really good point about unfortunately so
[51:15] also looking at what is our multi-tiered
[51:17] approach as a city with respect to
[51:19] addressing cities with it with respect
[51:21] to addressing speed and I think it is
[51:23] now appropriate to then talk about what
[51:25] tool we currently do have which is speed
[51:27] homes so are there any interest or is
[51:29] there additional funding to put more of
[51:31] those deploy some of those resources if
[51:34] we were able to speak to that right now
[51:36] yeah I guess my opinion which is
[51:39] probably not is popular because to be
[51:41] more of the engineering opinion is that
[51:44] the things that we are doing today are
[51:47] what we should be doing uh the data that
[51:50] initial presented you know the post the
[51:52] pre-data and then we could do Post data
[51:55] same order with Dwayne Avenue and rugby
[51:57] which we're going to be doing
[51:59] we're getting data we're seeing the
[52:01] effects and then we're going to look at
[52:02] the effects as it didn't work and if it
[52:04] works it's a problem so what you're
[52:06] saying is that you're going to put the
[52:07] information before intervention and then
[52:10] after the invention to measure the
[52:11] effect of this intervention right okay
[52:13] but this is this is
[52:15] if I made a drop but this is this is the
[52:18] free data and then we'll lower the speed
[52:20] limit here as a demonstration project
[52:22] for this one road
[52:24] um and then we'll have that data as our
[52:27] post data right right but I think the
[52:29] difference was that there hasn't been a
[52:31] police uh an enforcement uis there
[52:34] hasn't been a concerted effort to notify
[52:36] the community with regards to this so
[52:38] interesting
[52:39] so I think it's different with regards
[52:41] to this uh what tomorrow doing in
[52:44] speeding
[52:45] yeah I guess the speed humps
[52:48] you're trying not to bias the jury
[52:52] you know so we we put the cameras up and
[52:55] they're in incognito mode before so they
[52:57] don't flash because the flashing is
[52:59] actually the term you don't want to
[53:01] deter you want to see what is actually
[53:02] happening similarly now that we have the
[53:05] speed humps on the core work with their
[53:07] back and they're also in incognito mode
[53:09] because we don't want to
[53:10] be both now in the end of the day both
[53:13] is probably the most effective but we're
[53:16] trying to find out how effective were
[53:17] these right so we're going to try to see
[53:21] how effective they are and we're moving
[53:22] them to another area you know so we're
[53:24] going to have one in Hamilton Hill then
[53:25] we're going to move on to the high
[53:27] school area north side of the city and
[53:28] see what we have and be able to say you
[53:30] know what these work you know
[53:31] surprisingly we have gotten any
[53:33] complaints
[53:36] but that was one of the you know the
[53:38] many factors is we put these speed
[53:40] tables directly in front of residential
[53:43] homes and I have not heard from the
[53:46] residents the resident one resident we
[53:47] talked to welcomed it oh yeah
[53:49] um and so but it is a you know it was a
[53:52] noise
[53:52] um that they didn't make so that was
[53:54] right off the bat okay no complaints
[53:56] okay now we move on to the next are they
[53:58] working how far do we want to put them
[54:00] apart are people speeding up is it you
[54:02] know haven't haven't gotten complaints
[54:04] about that
[54:05] about people going over them and then
[54:07] racing to the next one you know so
[54:10] hopefully that's a good sign hopefully
[54:12] people are adhering to it we're also
[54:14] doing them in this period which were
[54:16] picked this window because we're going
[54:18] to have it during school not school and
[54:20] then the other one is going to be no
[54:22] school during school so we can try to
[54:24] get a more fair evaluation of what
[54:26] really happened but
[54:29] I think it's difficult to just it's a
[54:32] significant investment and to just go
[54:34] and make it based off of you know a
[54:39] complaint that's it's a difficult puts
[54:41] me in a difficult position it puts John
[54:42] in a difficult position for us to do
[54:44] these things it's the exact same thing
[54:45] that happens with stop signs you know
[54:47] and that's what happened
[54:48] today you know what if we got a stop
[54:49] sign here that would solve all of our
[54:51] problems with the stop signs or not
[54:53] supposed to be traffic control devices
[54:55] we're not supposed to solve problems
[54:56] both will be there for a reason so
[55:01] I'm gonna try to go in and to your point
[55:02] they're not here right now but
[55:03] enforcement
[55:05] it's huge it's a huge part of it and I
[55:07] do think that the police are taking it
[55:09] seriously they have a grant to buy more
[55:11] radar enforcement signs which we've been
[55:12] working on uh the trailer they were
[55:15] moving it around wherever John and I are
[55:17] the mayor put it into
[55:18] to try to help in certain areas so
[55:21] I think that also helps
[55:25] the question especially well I just I
[55:26] just want to try to summarize but I
[55:29] think that this demonstration project
[55:32] will be some useful information and I'm
[55:34] thrilled that we're doing it
[55:37] has been
[55:38] an ongoing discussion we're certainly
[55:40] all hearing it throughout the city we're
[55:43] all here I'm sure all of us are hearing
[55:45] from residents that speeding is you know
[55:47] one of the top concerns that's out there
[55:50] right now I think we're seeing it also
[55:52] probably individually as we drive around
[55:54] so I appreciate everything that you guys
[55:58] are doing
[55:59] already to try to work on this and I'm
[56:03] looking forward to getting
[56:04] seeing what happens after we he puts the
[56:07] 25 mile per hour
[56:09] in place on the demo
[56:12] so just because so do we need any input
[56:14] from dot at all to um I'm going to
[56:17] retirement if this is the anchors we
[56:19] want to look to make this the 25 miles
[56:21] per hour test and I will reach out to
[56:23] them
[56:27] for any other questions or comments
[56:29] regarding this topic about Miss Patrick
[56:33] will be here bring it back in two weeks
[56:34] yes sir thank you so much
[56:38] there are no other items that can fall
[56:39] before Public Safety can I please accept
[56:41] emotions return
[56:43] all those in favor
[56:46] I'd like to call it or decision
[56:48] development planning we have five items
[56:51] on the agenda first one is Ramon to
[56:54] authorize the mayor to enter into
[56:55] supplemental agreement number three with
[56:57] the New York State Department of
[56:58] Transportation for the placement Kings
[57:00] Road Bridge so speak of the devil
[57:04] Kings Road Bridge uh you awarded
[57:08] the actual contract to win the
[57:10] construction uh two cycles ago once we
[57:13] had that we sent the contract and the
[57:16] documents to the dot they authorize and
[57:19] come back with a supplemental agreement
[57:21] the supplemental agreement in front of
[57:22] you is for the 95 reimbursement for the
[57:26] cost of the great replacement
[57:28] are there any questions
[57:32] so second I was in favor hi item number
[57:36] two award-winning contract for the half
[57:37] in place asphalt recycling
[57:40] um this is a holding we used to do hot
[57:44] and place recycling
[57:46] um as everyone knows it was a process
[57:47] with large train with lots of fire
[57:51] rejuvenator rolling it was a actually
[57:54] very useful process however it was not
[57:58] applied at every application in the
[58:00] right right spot right time so what
[58:03] would happen is that it's an overlay it
[58:06] is not a mill we usually I'd say 95
[58:08] percent of our Paving program is a Mill
[58:11] and paper because we have curves we have
[58:13] drainage structures we have driveways we
[58:16] really can't add a pavement so when we
[58:19] do a hot in place we add three quarter
[58:23] of an inch of a polymer pavement over
[58:25] the rejuvenated service
[58:27] um we found historically it does last
[58:29] the product does work it saves US money
[58:32] however in certain areas when we've done
[58:34] it you create puddles and driveways
[58:36] because we're now affecting the drainage
[58:38] and so we took a pause on it for a while
[58:41] and this year we have a couple of
[58:43] candidates up in Bellevue that we are
[58:46] looking to try it again because we think
[58:49] that those candidate streets are
[58:50] worthwhile this is an award-winning
[58:52] contract but it's actually a piggyback
[58:55] the county uses this process and we are
[58:59] allowed to piggyback off of County bids
[59:01] so this would be that's what we've done
[59:03] in the past as we we pull what we would
[59:05] like from the counties good to use it
[59:06] ourselves this is the only group that
[59:09] actually does this so it's almost like a
[59:11] sole source but it's not and we are
[59:13] going to you know walk survey the area
[59:17] and we are going to try this in areas
[59:19] where we think it is acceptable I'll
[59:21] give you just an example to talk too
[59:22] much on an area where I don't believe it
[59:25] should have been done was like at Union
[59:26] Avenue by Union College if you
[59:29] drive it you will notice that paid over the curbs and there is a
[59:34] giant rough now between union Avenue and
[59:37] the green space
[59:39] because we just we just put a little too
[59:41] much pavement on that road we really
[59:43] needed to bring the paper down
[59:45] curb line established instead we kind of
[59:47] overflow of the curved line and now the
[59:50] Green Space has become a makeshift
[59:52] gutter line which isn't how that drill
[59:54] is supposed to be so that is an instance
[59:57] where you really just don't want to go
[59:58] and hold the later road because it's a
[1:00:01] nice new product
[1:00:05] and so so I'm hearing that my first
[1:00:10] intention is like that's amazing that we
[1:00:12] like I have identified that now
[1:00:15] your experience how is that continually
[1:00:17] captured moving forward
[1:00:19] like that truth that
[1:00:21] of what we should have done well you
[1:00:24] could always do it by you know the
[1:00:25] artists in the end but now you know we
[1:00:27] have a consultant and we tell them these
[1:00:28] are the tools that we would like to have
[1:00:30] in our toolbox and look for candidate streets so
[1:00:34] typically downtown if we're doing a
[1:00:37] downtown area the other thing is to tell
[1:00:38] you the train is enormous they call it a
[1:00:41] train it is enormous it cannot do city
[1:00:43] streets it needs to kind of just fade
[1:00:46] away and make a nice big radius it's a
[1:00:48] camel nice turn Fairview those are nice
[1:00:50] streams to have you know that kind of a
[1:00:52] process you know you couldn't put it in
[1:00:54] a downtown Because by the time the first
[1:00:57] truck is making the turn the last truck
[1:00:59] they're Jane and so it's really meant
[1:01:01] for uh you know more rural roads but we
[1:01:04] did find that it was a good product and
[1:01:07] I'm not saying you'll see me here next
[1:01:08] year with it it's kind of like if a road
[1:01:10] is applicable for it we use it if not if
[1:01:12] not and since we can piggyback it really
[1:01:15] doesn't add a lot of work to our
[1:01:16] workbook we're just selecting things
[1:01:22] um
[1:01:23] you mentioned Bellevue as possible sites
[1:01:25] I was just wondering can you identified
[1:01:27] where you think you're going to be yeah
[1:01:28] I think Campbell's the main one that
[1:01:30] we're going to try it on and try to do
[1:01:31] as much as Campbell as we can because
[1:01:33] that seems to work out pretty well for
[1:01:35] that and then I think a piece of
[1:01:36] Fairview I don't have the list I should
[1:01:38] have brought it but those are the areas
[1:01:39] we like it's just kind of and you know
[1:01:41] the paving program we're trying to do
[1:01:42] things in concentration so we're not
[1:01:44] going back to one area and you know
[1:01:46] hitting people every year so that's
[1:01:48] where that's where we're looking to do
[1:01:50] but I can send the list to you tomorrow
[1:01:51] morning
[1:01:54] sure yeah
[1:02:00] any questions
[1:02:02] right there yes
[1:02:08] thank you
[1:02:11] any questions
[1:02:15] thank you
[1:02:18] I'm number three the filing of zoning
[1:02:20] administrative decisions
[1:02:23] um Mr Marney
[1:02:25] yet unfortunately I had to run out of
[1:02:27] the Planning Commission meeting so I
[1:02:30] will come with us
[1:02:33] um so one of the requirements
[1:02:38] um that happens out of the zoning office
[1:02:40] is or part of the job is to for the
[1:02:43] zoning officer to issue zoning
[1:02:45] compliance determinations or
[1:02:46] administrative zoning decisions somebody
[1:02:50] will request something very specific the
[1:02:52] zoning officer reviews uh the requests
[1:02:54] and then comes up with the determination
[1:02:56] as it stands right now those
[1:02:58] determination letters are filed in that
[1:03:01] office
[1:03:02] a better practice and it would have to
[1:03:05] be authorized by city councils for those
[1:03:07] decision letters those administrative
[1:03:10] zoning decisions to be filed with
[1:03:13] um the the record officer for the city
[1:03:16] which is the city clerk so that is
[1:03:19] because it is an administrative decision
[1:03:21] so it would be accessible to the public
[1:03:23] and it would create a process for
[1:03:27] essentially a time limit for somebody
[1:03:29] who would like to challenge a
[1:03:31] determination by the zoning officer to
[1:03:34] do it within a certain amount of time
[1:03:35] once it's filed with the city clerk
[1:03:39] as I said many of these decision letters
[1:03:44] right now are not well none of them are
[1:03:45] following the city clerk and this would
[1:03:47] create a formal office for the receipt
[1:03:49] of those the term those determinations
[1:03:52] um because there is a deadline for
[1:03:56] people to challenge a decision of the
[1:03:59] zoning officer by filing it with the
[1:04:02] city clerk every single time it would
[1:04:04] create essentially uh the stopwatch so
[1:04:08] to speak for a person to challenge the
[1:04:10] determination because those
[1:04:12] discriminations would be challenged you
[1:04:15] know through uh could be the BCA and
[1:04:18] eventually become an article 78 some
[1:04:20] people challenging care too so this
[1:04:23] creates a formal process so we're
[1:04:25] looking for authorization for the city
[1:04:27] council to
[1:04:29] require the zoning officer to file those
[1:04:33] administrative zoning decisions with the
[1:04:35] city clerk and also direct the zoning
[1:04:39] officer to also file those
[1:04:42] administrative zoning decisions not from
[1:04:44] a legal standpoint but just a practical
[1:04:46] standpoint in whatever computer system
[1:04:49] the city is using but currently it's
[1:04:52] Unicity but who knows in you know 20
[1:04:55] years it could be a different program
[1:04:56] that the city sees it
[1:04:58] so that's what we're looking for is just
[1:05:01] a way to clean up the process that's
[1:05:03] currently in place by creating one
[1:05:05] designated person legally to for which
[1:05:08] the zoning officer would file those
[1:05:11] decisions
[1:05:12] so do you know about how many decisions
[1:05:14] we're talking about I'm just I'm just
[1:05:16] trying to get my head around how much
[1:05:17] additional work this is going to create
[1:05:20] um I don't know the exact number that
[1:05:22] come in
[1:05:24] um certainly you know we're not talking
[1:05:25] about one a day or anything along those
[1:05:27] lines they come up periodically uh many
[1:05:31] times it's somebody who's looking to buy
[1:05:33] a property and they want to know hey can
[1:05:36] I use the property for this under the
[1:05:38] zoning code
[1:05:39] um the informal request and then a
[1:05:42] formal letter from the zoning officer
[1:05:44] that letter would then be filed so it
[1:05:47] doesn't you know it comes up every so
[1:05:49] often a lot of times it will be like
[1:05:51] maybe in an R1 District where there's a
[1:05:55] two-family house can I still use it as a
[1:05:57] two-family house or in a commercial
[1:05:58] District can I use it as you know this
[1:06:01] commercial space as a restaurant so it
[1:06:04] would be a decision letter like that and
[1:06:06] the process for the city clerk will just
[1:06:08] be to receive
[1:06:10] um it is a filing like the city clerk
[1:06:12] would receive a determination of the BCA
[1:06:17] Williams was this determination made
[1:06:19] with the city clerk's office the city
[1:06:22] clerk um no the city clerk is aware of
[1:06:26] it um you know we did talk about it at
[1:06:28] the legislative conference
[1:06:30] it does create as I said you know
[1:06:35] it is more work than cities for the city
[1:06:37] clerk's office there's no doubt about it
[1:06:39] um you know I can't tell you how much
[1:06:41] more time it will take for the city
[1:06:43] clerk to you know receive and then you
[1:06:46] know file and presumably put into laser
[1:06:49] fish it would be the zoning officer who
[1:06:51] would put it in the computer system the
[1:06:54] separate computer system that you know
[1:06:56] the Departments have access to but it
[1:06:59] really is you know a necessary piece for
[1:07:04] the city to create a formal body to
[1:07:07] clerk to receive these decisions
[1:07:12] any other questions
[1:07:20] all right
[1:07:25] um
[1:07:26] item number four is the sale of a
[1:07:28] property of 2180 Desmond Avenue make a
[1:07:31] lot and item number five is a special
[1:07:32] 1040 Wonder Avenue and both of those
[1:07:35] will be an executive session so at this
[1:07:37] point in time I'd like to ask for a
[1:07:39] motion to reset
[1:07:43] okay I'd like to call our claims
[1:07:46] committee to order we have three items
[1:07:49] on the agenda all of which need to be
[1:07:51] addressed in indicative sessions so I
[1:07:53] would like to call for a motion to go
[1:07:56] into executive session
[1:07:58] so all in favor
[1:08:01] aye okay thank you
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