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privatizing and unfortunately

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it might it might run a little better

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thank you madam president city council

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mayor I have emailed you uh these copies

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of what I put on up Frontier I figured

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you guys would like a hard copy and what

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do you put together here is the

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organization of the project a

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description of the project the amount

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that was appropriated that the

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appropriation date and any contingencies

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or or your progress as we go along

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as you can see uh you know uh we are

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making progress every week we're getting

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closer and closer to contracts every

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week uh you know we're working with seat

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now we're very close uh we're with the

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uh the Schenectady Foundation you know

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it's any day now so every time we're

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getting closer and closer uh making

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contact uh one of the things of the

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Hamilton Art Studio they did get their

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commitment as far as we know and we're

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great at the process we're going to be

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getting ready to go out to bid for that

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we're still working to move a bit with

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the the Miracle on Craig Street Craig

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Street uh you know we're almost we're

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going to meet sometime this week or next

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week we're going to try to get all the

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plans together so we can go out to bed

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just to see where we are with that uh

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one of the things I wanted uh two of the

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things I want to bring up one of them

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was uh uh we had a very close to running

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contract or Proctors and what we're

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doing with Proctors Theater is that what

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we saw was that as we've gotten all the

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paperwork I asked them like oh you know

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just let me see uh your your uh

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expenses that you're going to submit so

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I want to make sure they seem to be

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valid and what well what I found and I

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wanted to bring it up to uh to the

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council was that uh the work that was

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done in which they did do the handless

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bosses the toilets and the air handles

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uh that was all done and paid for before

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they even

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sent the application out for Arbor so

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you know they were granted that so I was

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uh we were preparing a contract and I

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was talking with our attorney that says

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geez will we have to make the contract

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go back a year earlier to 2021 or

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actually uh you know they applied in in

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December 21 and they didn't get funded

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until actually August of 22 but the work

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was not in August and September of 21.

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so that was one of the things that uh

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wanted to find out I did ask them if

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they had other expenses at least after

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December at least after the application

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so as of yet to have uh provide anything

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back but I just wanted to bring this out

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to the council I don't know how you all

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guys want to handle that or whatever

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and the decision you got to make uh and

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of course in the paper today there was

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another uh article about the Aquatic

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Center uh I guess they are it's a

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definite move to Rotterdam

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but uh I guess they still feel that we

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uh give them the appropriation so I

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don't that's a something maybe you guys

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are going to have to discuss among you

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to see uh if you're going to follow

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through on that if you're not uh you

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know what we're gonna what we're gonna

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do with the uh the funds

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as we get it back uh as I'm looking

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through here and that as you can look

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through and think for contingency

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there's some of them that it doesn't

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look like that's ever going to happen

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but uh the YWCA again 21 million for

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that one thing I don't think that's

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going to happen I don't think the cocoa

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house game the fight 3.5 million for for

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their things you know I'm this is I

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didn't speak to them as of yet but I'm

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just saying it doesn't look like within

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the next couple of months

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for August actually one more month right

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August and September uh that they're

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going to be able to get those funds so

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uh I just want to bring this out to let

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you guys know because there's probably

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something that has to come up to the

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table uh probably gonna this need

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further discussion and also uh what

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we're going to do when we get this money

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back of course I have a lot of ideas but

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it's really uh up to you guys right

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uh I'll take any questions uh that I can

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answer if you haven't

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so could you clarify again about the

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Proctors project so they did the work

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before they put in the Grant application

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correct so that I'm just they did the

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work and they paid for it before that

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before 2021 one they applied to December

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2021 they paid for everything as of

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September of 21.

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we're reimbursing them for the project

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is what did we know that when we I

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looked at the application I I they had

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told me they spoke to someone here and

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they said they said it was okay but they

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didn't give me a name so I I really know

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how that goes right as you know through

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my experience it's probably something

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they would just say you know but uh

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Finance commissioner do you have a

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recommendation with respect to how we

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should proceed with that well yeah I

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have a Bicester I have a biased

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presentation only because I'm trying to

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avoid Proctors but

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you know it's for me I think it's a

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difficult difficult decision I think

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it's something like I said that's why it

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has to be brought up to you guys uh you

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know you can tell me which way to go uh

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I I I think it's it's in the realm that

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we can do that we'll just have to make

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their contract

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reflect that you know like their

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contract would have to go back to August

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of 2021. I mean can we do that Chris

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uh we would have to do something a

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little different to accommodate for this

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particular yeah if you would do that and

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that's not a that's it's something that

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you know that has to be thought out

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this is more of a reimbursement based uh

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so it's going to be a different type

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yeah it's different

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please what did their applications say

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they were going to do does that clear in

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the application

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with their application what they said

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application would they do that's what

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they actually did they got the handless

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handless faucets they got the handless

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toilets they got the air dryers they got

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all that stuff but they never said but

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we already did all this and we've

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already paid for all this stuff you know

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like I said I have to read it again you

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know I'm not I'm I look at the numbers

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more than that you know we did this

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already or or the wording as much as

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maybe maybe an attorney to look at it

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closer but I will review it again this

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is something I brought up that I thought

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was a little different you know I go

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look I caught on this one

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yeah could you get more information on

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that absolutely you know if it's paid

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for it before they even submitted it was

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it a double Grant are they double trying

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to get two pieces of the pot so that's

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important for us absolutely and I'll

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keep in mind I'm in contact with them

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you know just move along but I just

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wanted to let you know this as moving I

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don't watch but here from I don't know

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if anything else you know

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last cycle you mentioned about the

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Aquatic Center we can't fund any

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projects outside of the city is that the

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same today

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but they can't find nothing outside of

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the city they're using the answers well

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again because it's snatching it's not a

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city project you know I can we

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I there's so much ways around everything

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you know I I don't think it's I I you

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know according according to what our

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proposals was it has this has to be in

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the city yeah that's the way we wrote it

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up to be you know City projects you know

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about the YWCA yeah

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um

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you said that they don't they're yeah

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one one we already have a contract here

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in front of them the second one where uh

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let me just find them uh the YMCA the

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second one

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where they have a contingency of getting

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a grants of 20 21. something million

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dollars yeah

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thank you

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requires additional commitments of 21.25

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million dollars by September uh

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September 22nd that is for the Harbor

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House

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YW project was originally put in is

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what's classified as a nine percent tax

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Senate deal those are highly competitive

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we're given one award to go for the

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project on Crane Street I still believe

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that deals very viable but it should be

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structured probably at a four percent

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uh text deal which is not a competitive

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program but it's a negotiated package so

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that

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you put that together and still make

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that happen

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I'm not sure it would all come together

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by the end of

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this timeline September

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you have something the framework in

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place that wouldn't again serve their

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needs and I believe the state is

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sympathetic to

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that project of making it go forward in

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some fashion but just the financing is

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going to have to be restructured and

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amen President we can sit down and talk

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in the near future about some of those

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options and how it's best to

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structure the financing to make it

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happen

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okay any other questions

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I have a question on

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if the youth baseball utilization it says

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that the work has been started on

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Michigan Avenue Fields yes we are just

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one on Michigan Avenue we got the bid

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for the wall Chris is not here today but

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we got the uh bid in so we're going to

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put in the wall that we're going to do

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the infill bill to put where they're

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going to put the picnic tables and stuff

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on that so that's that is and started

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you know a lot of the work's already

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been done because we were there for

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but some of the works have been done

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yeah but this this is the big stuff now

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you know that was the best to clean up a

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little stuff okay and so what about the

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Oregon Avenue part of this is so how

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much has it been spent and will there be

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any money left to do that part of it it

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says Oregon Avenue and Michigan Avenue

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yeah I have not received anything on the

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organ at Oregon Oregon Avenue uh Park as

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far as I know uh like again Chris Wallen

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is handling that I think he's not here

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tonight he did not mention organizing

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for me when we were discussing these

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things so okay no I noticed that was

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it's written in there as part of it but

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it doesn't say it's happening it's

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happening over here

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any other questions

305
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so I know that previously you're saying

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that you have some trouble contacting

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certain you know people or certain

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agencies

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um is there any uh agencies that you're

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still just having issues with you know

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even getting in contact with a sports

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conversation the Kiwanis Club I seem not

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to be able to get a hold of them too

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well the finance club uh

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and uh what's the other one uh

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Craig street but I did finally get a

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hold of somebody over there so I got

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that going uh working around with the

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Empowerment Center so that you know

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breaking through with that uh uh uh

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what's the what is uh the pastor at

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cocoa house and I you know we just got

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contact with him

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so so we were starting to make way

325
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things going aggressive yeah yeah

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because you were here talking on TV

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they're hearing me to contacted me yeah

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so uh guys from kiwanises and stuff like

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that if you hear me call me we gotta get

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those picnic tables done before the end

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of summer

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oh yeah I think that's going to be great

333
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yeah yeah that's something we're going

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to start doing uh and we're going to

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start processing the letters and have a

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lot of partnership approving before we

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send them out okay and they're gonna be

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very nice yeah okay

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all right

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so um thanks

341
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everybody's okay yes so um the next well

342
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I'll send an email about we can have the

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next time so we'll kind of have a grasp

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on yeah that's what we're doing you know

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we're as you as we're going with this

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process you know uh you know Christian

347
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and the Maurice they're doing a great

348
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job they're really pushing uh at

349
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everything too then we're getting things

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done you know all right all right all

351
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right thank you well thank you sir

352
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would you like to have it back in two

353
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weeks sure okay thank you any other

354
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business support Finance motion to

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return all in favor uh thank you I'd

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like to call to order City development

357
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and planning we have four items on the

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agenda uh the first item is authorized

359
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the abandonment and sale proportion of

360
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large Street it has Mr Walling but okay

361
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this one has someone here to represent

362
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him

363
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uh

364
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all right so large street is located

365
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between 633 and 651 Lansing Lansing

366
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Street it's a small Dead End Street uh

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this street also serves no current

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greater benefit to the public the

369
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abandonment and sale of this property uh

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should not detriment the city in any way

371
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conversely the sale will help Foster

372
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maintenance of the land and his current

373
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that is currently being neglected as

374
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such there was a public hearing held on

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Monday April 24th 2023 at 7 pm in order

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to receive public comments and related

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to the abandonment you did not receive

378
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any comments so we are requesting

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authorization to abandon and the sale of

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the portion of large Street and we also

381
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provided just three Maps so you can see

382
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that tile that's outlined so the first

383
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map shows the full Street as it would be

384
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parceled out and then the second map

385
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shows what the new property

386
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um for the adjacent neighbor on the left

387
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would be outlined and then the new

388
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parcel for the property on the right

389
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side and how that would be lined up any

390
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:59,289
questions

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thank you Mr Brown

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so the next item on the agenda is

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discussion of zoning the candidate shop

394
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of a moratorium

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um smoke shops

396
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you'll see the um the legislative uh

397
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requests in your packet so um you just

398
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,460
need to read through it but part of the

399
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reason we talked about this kind of in

400
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January when we were talking about

401
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um

402
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abuse for various stores and none of

403
00:25:28,740 --> 00:25:32,059
that came when came to the legislation

404
00:25:32,059 --> 00:25:34,080
that was being done by the Law

405
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,460
Department that we all got back in

406
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January and cannabis was a part of that

407
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and in addition to that there was a list

408
00:25:40,020 --> 00:25:42,659
that was generated of they were called

409
00:25:42,659 --> 00:25:44,279
kind of convenience stores but it was a

410
00:25:44,279 --> 00:25:45,659
list of 28

411
00:25:45,659 --> 00:25:47,640
um stores and if you if you recall

412
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almost all of them had the name smoke

413
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shop in the

414
00:25:51,779 --> 00:25:53,580
um in the name of it and that was

415
00:25:53,580 --> 00:25:55,860
generated in January so how many have

416
00:25:55,860 --> 00:25:57,480
happened in the last six months not

417
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:58,980
really sure

418
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um given the fact that they are fully

419
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,140
funded now to do the um the current

420
00:26:03,140 --> 00:26:06,000
operators which is the conditional use

421
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,279
the social justice part of it which

422
00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:10,320
initially was going to only be 150 now

423
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,559
they've gone into 300 and and so as you

424
00:26:13,559 --> 00:26:16,860
can see in the legislative request the

425
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um that's the dormitory Authority is

426
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,580
really talking about pushing out and

427
00:26:20,580 --> 00:26:23,340
really getting more of these open so in

428
00:26:23,340 --> 00:26:26,340
light of that I asked Mr Mari if we

429
00:26:26,340 --> 00:26:28,440
could maybe talk about it because we

430
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,679
want to be prepared to be able to have a

431
00:26:31,679 --> 00:26:33,840
Zone where these can cannot happen in

432
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,460
the city of Schenectady when we

433
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initially talked about it about passing

434
00:26:37,740 --> 00:26:38,580
it

435
00:26:38,580 --> 00:26:39,299
um

436
00:26:39,299 --> 00:26:42,840
that we were talking about first it

437
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,520
didn't happen like that so we're at a

438
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:45,840
point where we do currently have one

439
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,360
that's open that has drawn some concerns

440
00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:51,179
from the community so going forward it

441
00:26:51,179 --> 00:26:53,159
would anticipate there will be others so

442
00:26:53,159 --> 00:26:54,419
we really want to make sure that we have

443
00:26:54,419 --> 00:26:56,400
some zoning in place

444
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,200
um to to take care of that so that

445
00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:59,400
people know where they can and cannot

446
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,460
have it and part of our discussion also

447
00:27:02,460 --> 00:27:05,520
um cover the smoke shops as I think we

448
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,440
can all see and I've heard from many

449
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,120
people that they're just popping up all

450
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:11,640
over the city of Schenectady and part of

451
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,740
that I've I've heard I don't know what

452
00:27:13,740 --> 00:27:14,760
to be true or not is that people

453
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,500
anticipate that they have a smoke shop

454
00:27:16,500 --> 00:27:18,900
they can almost like just slide right

455
00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:21,539
into a cannabis shop so that was part of

456
00:27:21,539 --> 00:27:23,760
our discussion in terms of the zoning so

457
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,400
I will um Essence to Martin to tell us

458
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,140
about what the state says and what we

459
00:27:28,140 --> 00:27:29,820
can do and then we can have some further

460
00:27:29,820 --> 00:27:34,080
discussion uh sure uh so at least with

461
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,779
respect to cannabis there is a lot with

462
00:27:36,779 --> 00:27:38,580
respect to Zone that has been preempted

463
00:27:38,580 --> 00:27:40,039
by the state

464
00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:43,740
regulate certain aspects of the cannabis

465
00:27:43,740 --> 00:27:46,320
use but what we are able to regulate are

466
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,299
the kind of the time place manner

467
00:27:48,299 --> 00:27:50,460
restrictions so while we can't do

468
00:27:50,460 --> 00:27:52,620
anything with respect to the 1000 foot

469
00:27:52,620 --> 00:27:54,779
rule that you may have heard about we

470
00:27:54,779 --> 00:27:58,620
can determine what zones cannabis sales

471
00:27:58,620 --> 00:28:01,340
are going to be permitted in

472
00:28:01,340 --> 00:28:03,620
and

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00:28:03,620 --> 00:28:05,760
specifically we can do what's called

474
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,279
kind of a zoning overlay because we may

475
00:28:08,279 --> 00:28:11,279
not want to apply it to all of the

476
00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:12,960
commercial districts but there may be

477
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,520
certain areas within the commercial

478
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,260
districts that we want to apply to many

479
00:28:16,260 --> 00:28:18,480
of our commercial areas they do tend to

480
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,260
bleed into a residential zoning District

481
00:28:21,260 --> 00:28:24,960
so months and months ago when we met

482
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,880
with development the planners had been

483
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,520
looking at

484
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,200
a zoning overlay which would be kind of

485
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,860
an adult use zoning use overlay over the

486
00:28:34,860 --> 00:28:37,440
major Criminal

487
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:38,100
um

488
00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:42,659
so we do have some control over uh with

489
00:28:42,659 --> 00:28:44,460
respect to the Cannabis uses what they

490
00:28:44,460 --> 00:28:46,320
look like as well

491
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:47,700
um you know just like we do with any

492
00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:50,220
other zoning with respect to commercial

493
00:28:50,220 --> 00:28:52,380
Enterprise you know what the shop is

494
00:28:52,380 --> 00:28:54,000
going to look like I will say the state

495
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,340
is already very very restrictive

496
00:28:56,340 --> 00:29:00,659
um as to what a licensee their shop can

497
00:29:00,659 --> 00:29:02,460
look like there's no paraphernalia that

498
00:29:02,460 --> 00:29:04,020
can be visible there's no cannabis

499
00:29:04,020 --> 00:29:06,419
leaves that can be visible our

500
00:29:06,419 --> 00:29:08,760
flexibility with respect to smoke shops

501
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,760
vape shops puka consumption tobacco

502
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,919
consumption much much more flexible

503
00:29:13,919 --> 00:29:15,779
because there is no State preemption

504
00:29:15,779 --> 00:29:18,419
there is no State Licensing for that so

505
00:29:18,419 --> 00:29:21,480
we could in fact impose restrictions on

506
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,240
the distance that those shops are from

507
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,740
each other that the distance that those

508
00:29:25,740 --> 00:29:27,840
shops are from schools and churches and

509
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,559
other similar uses we would largely the

510
00:29:31,559 --> 00:29:33,620
recommendation would be to parallel

511
00:29:33,620 --> 00:29:37,799
estate definitions for cannabis uses in

512
00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:39,659
our own zoning code and kind of follow

513
00:29:39,659 --> 00:29:41,580
ports for that and then we can apply

514
00:29:41,580 --> 00:29:44,460
those similar restrictions to the Smoke

515
00:29:44,460 --> 00:29:46,799
debate the hookah lounges and ultimately

516
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:48,240
the goal of zoning we want to treat

517
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,179
similar uses similarly so we don't want

518
00:29:51,179 --> 00:29:52,500
to treat them separately those are

519
00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:54,059
similar uses they should be treated

520
00:29:54,059 --> 00:29:54,980
together

521
00:29:54,980 --> 00:29:57,419
I know that there was

522
00:29:57,419 --> 00:30:00,080
discussion to a moratorium

523
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,360
for those uses and that would serve as a

524
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,419
halt to prevent any further

525
00:30:05,419 --> 00:30:07,500
applications going through until this

526
00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:09,720
zoning was in place ultimately to do

527
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,760
that really is a conversation for the

528
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,399
council to have is considered a drastic

529
00:30:14,399 --> 00:30:17,640
remedy and there are a lot of

530
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,260
restrictions that need to be in place

531
00:30:19,260 --> 00:30:20,640
and a lot of things that we need to bake

532
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,500
into the ordinance to ensure that we are

533
00:30:22,500 --> 00:30:25,020
doing it lawfully typically though a

534
00:30:25,020 --> 00:30:27,419
moratoria is used if we're concerned

535
00:30:27,419 --> 00:30:28,679
that there's going to be some sort of

536
00:30:28,679 --> 00:30:31,679
mass development rush like the the city

537
00:30:31,679 --> 00:30:34,200
was proposing major zoning changes and

538
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,399
we were worried that all of the

539
00:30:35,399 --> 00:30:36,840
developers were going to rush to City

540
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,419
Hall to pull permits and try to acquire

541
00:30:39,419 --> 00:30:41,159
what we would call a vested right in

542
00:30:41,159 --> 00:30:43,919
that project so there may or may not be

543
00:30:43,919 --> 00:30:45,419
a concern that that's going to be the

544
00:30:45,419 --> 00:30:48,299
case here for smoke shops and hookah

545
00:30:48,299 --> 00:30:50,039
lounges and cannabis uses especially

546
00:30:50,039 --> 00:30:52,140
considering how owners the licensing is

547
00:30:52,140 --> 00:30:54,720
for cannabis

548
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,580
um that being said it is within the

549
00:30:56,580 --> 00:30:59,880
council's power to enact a moratorium on

550
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:01,799
these uses it just is going to need to

551
00:31:01,799 --> 00:31:04,260
be for a reasonable time for us to put

552
00:31:04,260 --> 00:31:06,659
the zoting in place six months would

553
00:31:06,659 --> 00:31:09,600
probably be more than enough time and in

554
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,460
fact many of these changes are are

555
00:31:11,460 --> 00:31:14,159
really minor tweaks I will point out

556
00:31:14,159 --> 00:31:17,279
that at least as it stands today the

557
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:19,260
only cannabis use that is permitted

558
00:31:19,260 --> 00:31:21,659
under our zoning code is the

559
00:31:21,659 --> 00:31:24,960
of cannabis the retailers we do not have

560
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,320
a use defined for consumption and in the

561
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,720
world of zoning we do not have a use in

562
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,880
it is not permitted if it's not a

563
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,740
specifically stated use it is not a

564
00:31:34,740 --> 00:31:36,059
permitted use

565
00:31:36,059 --> 00:31:38,240
so that currently wouldn't be permitted

566
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,159
uh and um

567
00:31:41,159 --> 00:31:43,200
uh trying to think if there's anything I

568
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,580
left out but

569
00:31:44,580 --> 00:31:47,340
um yeah I mean as it stands now it's

570
00:31:47,340 --> 00:31:50,039
retail so largely the the what would we

571
00:31:50,039 --> 00:31:53,340
would be looking at is parking I think

572
00:31:53,340 --> 00:31:55,320
that the queuing is something that has

573
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,020
come up as a concern for uh members of

574
00:31:58,020 --> 00:31:59,460
the public so we could have some

575
00:31:59,460 --> 00:32:01,380
language in there for that

576
00:32:01,380 --> 00:32:04,020
um you know the likelihood is that as as

577
00:32:04,020 --> 00:32:05,820
it becomes a more common use we'll

578
00:32:05,820 --> 00:32:09,110
probably see less of that

579
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,120
businesses but

580
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,200
um many of the smoke shops that we are

581
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,779
perhaps hearing about have not gone

582
00:32:18,779 --> 00:32:20,340
through the land use approval process

583
00:32:20,340 --> 00:32:22,320
anyway so I just want to be very very

584
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,200
clear that zoning is not not um zoning

585
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,840
is not what we would use to

586
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,020
um uh to combat illegal sales of

587
00:32:31,020 --> 00:32:32,640
candidates that's not really what zone

588
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:33,779
is going to do that's still a law

589
00:32:33,779 --> 00:32:36,960
enforcement matter and many of those

590
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,240
smoke shops that have open or vape shops

591
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,100
they don't have approvals to operate

592
00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:43,919
anyway they don't have site plan

593
00:32:43,919 --> 00:32:45,659
approval they don't have a certificate

594
00:32:45,659 --> 00:32:46,860
of use

595
00:32:46,860 --> 00:32:48,360
um so these are mechanisms that we have

596
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,899
in place already it's just a matter of

597
00:32:50,899 --> 00:32:55,020
enforcement but certainly uh we can put

598
00:32:55,020 --> 00:32:56,039
in place

599
00:32:56,039 --> 00:32:57,840
um you know zoning that specifically

600
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,820
speaks to these uses to ensure that the

601
00:32:59,820 --> 00:33:03,120
parking and and some of those other you

602
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:09,649
know effects are on a meal here

603
00:33:09,659 --> 00:33:13,430
any questions coming

604
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:14,960
up

605
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,019
we submitted a

606
00:33:18,019 --> 00:33:21,120
legislative request and it's got a

607
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,220
recommendation proposal

608
00:33:23,220 --> 00:33:27,059
for Zoning for Canada shots

609
00:33:27,059 --> 00:33:31,320
just as a starter or discussion and it

610
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,659
would put the establishments in M1 and

611
00:33:33,659 --> 00:33:35,220
M2 districts

612
00:33:35,220 --> 00:33:37,740
would have language similar to that to

613
00:33:37,740 --> 00:33:42,590
the state as far as what it can be near

614
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,019
the idea behind the M1 and M2 very

615
00:33:46,019 --> 00:33:47,760
similar in nature to the adult

616
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,940
bookstores but beyond that

617
00:33:50,940 --> 00:33:52,980
um there's plenty of parking there

618
00:33:52,980 --> 00:33:55,620
wouldn't really interfere with other job

619
00:33:55,620 --> 00:33:59,279
uh other small businesses

620
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:01,340
there's plenty of space

621
00:34:01,340 --> 00:34:04,919
so the issues that maybe we're having

622
00:34:04,919 --> 00:34:08,720
currently on Union Street

623
00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:11,940
it wouldn't happen in other areas so in

624
00:34:11,940 --> 00:34:16,760
the industrial zones so that's what

625
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,980
my proposal is to put them in those

626
00:34:19,980 --> 00:34:23,099
areas I think it would limit the impact

627
00:34:23,099 --> 00:34:25,220
on the residents

628
00:34:25,220 --> 00:34:28,560
in the neighborhoods who are near the

629
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,899
smoke shops near the cannabis shop

630
00:34:30,899 --> 00:34:34,679
excuse me and would help alleviate a lot

631
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:37,970
of the issues that we're seeing

632
00:34:37,980 --> 00:34:40,740
so where are the m1s and the m2s in the

633
00:34:40,740 --> 00:34:43,800
city right now I believe one is on Max

634
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,720
and Road and there are one on the bottom

635
00:34:45,720 --> 00:34:47,879
of Broadway Hill

636
00:34:47,879 --> 00:34:50,879
um I don't know all of them but

637
00:34:50,879 --> 00:34:53,520
sold that Carvel downtown

638
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,320
entirely

639
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,839
I believe the part not most if not all

640
00:34:57,839 --> 00:35:03,290
of downtown

641
00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:06,060
my thought there is why we have a

642
00:35:06,060 --> 00:35:07,680
downtown which we're trying to make

643
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,200
family friendly why would we want to

644
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,320
have a cannabis shop there we can have

645
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,020
it in other areas people can partake and

646
00:35:16,020 --> 00:35:19,140
do what they want with the Cannabis and

647
00:35:19,140 --> 00:35:21,660
still be legal and uh

648
00:35:21,660 --> 00:35:25,160
still not impact others so it would be

649
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,720
allow people to partake in illegal

650
00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:30,960
activity but also not impact other

651
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,150
commercial operations

652
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,060
um so Mr Marney does that in any way

653
00:35:38,060 --> 00:35:40,740
conflict with or anything in terms of

654
00:35:40,740 --> 00:35:42,000
the state I mean I think we should take

655
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,720
a a real deep look into that in terms of

656
00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:47,640
that that's very limiting

657
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,880
um no uh so the council has the

658
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,680
authority to determine what zones are

659
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,680
what you cannot do is eliminate has to

660
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,859
be allowed somewhere I would say with

661
00:35:58,859 --> 00:36:00,720
respect to surviving kind of a

662
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:03,780
constitutional challenge you

663
00:36:03,780 --> 00:36:05,220
have difficult cannabis should be

664
00:36:05,220 --> 00:36:07,140
treated the same as tobacco because they

665
00:36:07,140 --> 00:36:10,380
are similar uses So to that you know I

666
00:36:10,380 --> 00:36:12,000
would say in what many of the

667
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,060
definitions tend to pin it on is what is

668
00:36:15,060 --> 00:36:16,859
their primary source of income at retail

669
00:36:16,859 --> 00:36:18,300
is it

670
00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:19,859
if it's a grocery store that sells

671
00:36:19,859 --> 00:36:22,740
cigarettes that's not the same as a

672
00:36:22,740 --> 00:36:24,960
smoke shop that's found that sells big

673
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,760
you know Vape supplies and tobacco

674
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,420
supplies and those so those uses are

675
00:36:30,420 --> 00:36:32,160
largely similar to the Cannabis zoning

676
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,339
and largely should be kept together but

677
00:36:35,339 --> 00:36:36,900
as far as what district they're

678
00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:39,660
permitted and wholly the choice of the

679
00:36:39,660 --> 00:36:42,599
council as long as they are permitted

680
00:36:42,599 --> 00:36:43,579
somewhere

681
00:36:43,579 --> 00:36:46,619
it's largely it was similar to adult

682
00:36:46,619 --> 00:36:49,079
uses as well this was when they came up

683
00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:51,119
with the 70s where it was municipalities

684
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:53,880
trying to Zone them out oh man and the

685
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,380
case law is that you have to allow them

686
00:36:55,380 --> 00:36:57,000
so on which is usually the manufacturing

687
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:09,670
districts

688
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,300
either we put this on the agenda and

689
00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:14,480
those came afterwards I just wanted

690
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,980
I just want everyone to think that and

691
00:37:16,980 --> 00:37:21,589
why wasn't including their packages

692
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:25,020
absolutely so something that's very

693
00:37:25,020 --> 00:37:28,740
special to me that I'd like to uh see a

694
00:37:28,740 --> 00:37:32,460
moratoria on smooth shopping shopping

695
00:37:32,460 --> 00:37:36,130
um

696
00:37:36,140 --> 00:37:39,240
here in the city my recommendation would

697
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:41,940
be as Mr Marnie stated a few moments ago

698
00:37:41,940 --> 00:37:45,119
like a six-month pause so we can get

699
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:47,760
together and see prevent these smooth

700
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,680
shafts from popping up on every corner

701
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,300
boob shots

702
00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:53,040
um

703
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,760
is also attached here governor

704
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,240
on the last page there's a

705
00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:02,339
actually print this after cutting down

706
00:38:02,339 --> 00:38:05,220
smoke shops and bait shops down in New

707
00:38:05,220 --> 00:38:07,079
York City that I'm not saying that it's

708
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:09,540
happening here but there's a lot of the

709
00:38:09,540 --> 00:38:12,180
Negro marijuana sales and coming out of

710
00:38:12,180 --> 00:38:13,680
these shops that are just popping up

711
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,619
with other paraphernalia there another

712
00:38:16,619 --> 00:38:22,460
huge thing is youth grouping probably

713
00:38:22,460 --> 00:38:26,240
nine years old I don't know 10 11 12.

714
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:30,300
there's some studies that I've got here

715
00:38:30,300 --> 00:38:31,460
about

716
00:38:31,460 --> 00:38:34,560
27 percent of 12th graders had reported

717
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,040
vaping in 2022 it's not going to fall in

718
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,339
from any of them and it's not good for

719
00:38:41,339 --> 00:38:43,440
us and I don't think it should be

720
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,660
available

721
00:38:45,660 --> 00:38:48,020
three in every neighborhood

722
00:38:48,020 --> 00:38:51,960
and do this another thing is I do have

723
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,079
if anyone wants me to send them I

724
00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:57,720
realize that the town of Bethlehem had

725
00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:00,420
filed the local law with New York State

726
00:39:00,420 --> 00:39:03,740
Department of State for a moratorium on

727
00:39:03,740 --> 00:39:05,900
vape shops

728
00:39:05,900 --> 00:39:08,880
and of course this would all be from the

729
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,680
legal department you know moving forward

730
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,560
should we but I thought interesting and

731
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,720
it's the purple it's the purpose of the

732
00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:18,980
local law to fulfill the town cities

733
00:39:18,980 --> 00:39:21,420
constitutional statutory and legal

734
00:39:21,420 --> 00:39:23,700
obligations to protect and preserve the

735
00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:26,640
public health welfare and safety of all

736
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,339
the citizens of the city and to me

737
00:39:29,339 --> 00:39:31,320
that's a lot of the youth as well as

738
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,079
anyone else and you can't make your own

739
00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:36,359
decisions so I just wanted to bring this

740
00:39:36,359 --> 00:39:38,160
forward because I had been working on it

741
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,859
for a while so I present this to you as

742
00:39:40,859 --> 00:39:44,650
well thank you

743
00:39:44,660 --> 00:39:47,520
so Mr Marnie um

744
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,280
brings up again about the more time so

745
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,780
um I mean you know the discussion

746
00:39:51,780 --> 00:39:53,160
regarding that we did do one on

747
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,200
convenience stores oh my gosh I didn't

748
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,000
realize it's been so long ago but this

749
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,760
has been a number of years I think 2014

750
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,680
is when we did that but there's got to

751
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,680
be specific reasons as you said so we

752
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,900
would um need to to be able to discuss

753
00:40:06,900 --> 00:40:08,160
that

754
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,780
and talking about the current stores

755
00:40:09,780 --> 00:40:11,880
that we have though you made a point to

756
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:13,200
say some of these stories don't ever

757
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,359
don't even have a certificate of use

758
00:40:15,359 --> 00:40:16,680
so

759
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:17,520
um

760
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,920
for me part of I think what we should be

761
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,540
doing is looking at all the stores that

762
00:40:21,540 --> 00:40:23,280
we that we have on our list and know

763
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,380
more that are not on the list to see if

764
00:40:25,380 --> 00:40:27,540
they don't and to remedy that whether it

765
00:40:27,540 --> 00:40:29,520
means that they get shut down or

766
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,800
whatever that it means you know but to

767
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,599
just be able to open a business without

768
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:36,240
going through the correct process

769
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:37,619
um with the city

770
00:40:37,619 --> 00:40:40,200
should not be happening

771
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,240
and they shouldn't be able to yes Mr

772
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:43,220
Mayor

773
00:40:43,220 --> 00:40:46,980
uh my name is on vacation this week but

774
00:40:46,980 --> 00:40:48,540
he had sent

775
00:40:48,540 --> 00:40:52,320
officers out last Wednesday or Thursday

776
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,640
sightings some of these businesses that

777
00:40:55,640 --> 00:41:00,359
are non-compliant uh for getting started

778
00:41:00,359 --> 00:41:06,230
that processions

779
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:09,660
starting that process to identifying and

780
00:41:09,660 --> 00:41:16,970
to get them into compliance

781
00:41:16,980 --> 00:41:19,020
and part of their compliance they have

782
00:41:19,020 --> 00:41:19,859
to have

783
00:41:19,859 --> 00:41:22,020
um they have to have a permit by New

784
00:41:22,020 --> 00:41:23,760
York state to be and I know that we've

785
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,200
been to Stuart well and time has been

786
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:26,760
stored as a result into battle that

787
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,320
didn't have the permit to even

788
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,200
uh to sell so that each one is a

789
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,420
different story something of some level

790
00:41:33,420 --> 00:41:36,359
of compliance some have pretty much no

791
00:41:36,359 --> 00:41:38,280
compliance and

792
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,320
how do we go through identifying and

793
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:41,820
where we want

794
00:41:41,820 --> 00:41:45,720
to be here I wanted to play by the rules

795
00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:47,579
again don't want businesses they're

796
00:41:47,579 --> 00:41:50,280
going to create an adverse environment

797
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,000
for invasive businesses or property

798
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,619
owners

799
00:41:55,619 --> 00:41:59,400
thank you Mr Farley so I think um if

800
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:00,599
we're talking about

801
00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:01,940
um

802
00:42:01,940 --> 00:42:04,800
uh similar treating similar use

803
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,180
similarly

804
00:42:06,180 --> 00:42:09,359
um then I think that it would be wise of

805
00:42:09,359 --> 00:42:12,119
us to look at to really pay attention to

806
00:42:12,119 --> 00:42:13,440
the

807
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,320
you know the social justice aspect of

808
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,619
cannabis and to make sure that we're not

809
00:42:19,619 --> 00:42:20,579
um

810
00:42:20,579 --> 00:42:23,579
that we're factoring that in as far as

811
00:42:23,579 --> 00:42:25,680
especially if we're talking about zoning

812
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,900
and a lot of

813
00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:32,040
uh the thought behind this was to write

814
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,040
the historical ROMs in the marginalized

815
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,300
peoples from marginalized communities

816
00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:39,300
who have lives have been impacted

817
00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:41,099
um adversity impacted and

818
00:42:41,099 --> 00:42:42,780
disproportionately impacted so I think

819
00:42:42,780 --> 00:42:44,160
that's something that we have to keep in

820
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,320
uh that's the lens we need to look

821
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,540
through if we're going to talk about on

822
00:42:48,540 --> 00:42:52,320
you know Zoni and or even you know the

823
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,060
compliance that that we have because it

824
00:42:54,060 --> 00:42:55,740
seems like we're talking about using

825
00:42:55,740 --> 00:42:58,800
existing things that we have in the city

826
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:03,960
um but putting being intentional about our smoke shops

827
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,220
um so I'm just thinking about that

828
00:43:05,220 --> 00:43:07,079
anyway well is that something that you

829
00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:09,119
know we want to just look at you know

830
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:11,520
all of all of the businesses that are

831
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,760
operating without uh the appropriate

832
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,780
certificates or odd compliance I just

833
00:43:17,780 --> 00:43:19,980
think about it when we start to narrow

834
00:43:19,980 --> 00:43:22,560
the focus I just don't want to have any

835
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,220
um unintended uh

836
00:43:25,220 --> 00:43:27,599
consequences of being disproportionate

837
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:33,349
and how we're moving forward

838
00:43:33,359 --> 00:43:35,520
the building inspector's word choice was

839
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,940
he was having staff do every business

840
00:43:38,940 --> 00:43:41,640
look at him for compliance so some of

841
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,180
them tended to be the newer smoke shops

842
00:43:45,180 --> 00:43:47,760
that had just shown up that are more of

843
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,920
a problem but looking for compliance

844
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,680
across the board

845
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,260
this week and I'm just going to add I

846
00:43:55,260 --> 00:43:56,460
think we're talking about two different

847
00:43:56,460 --> 00:43:59,880
things or what it was uh presented by

848
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:01,740
miss the Toro if we're looking at like

849
00:44:01,740 --> 00:44:03,960
the regulations aspect of identifying

850
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,640
these zoning overlays but then also

851
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,680
where is that in comparison to

852
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,599
enforcement which are two completely

853
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:11,700
separate things and also looking at the

854
00:44:11,700 --> 00:44:14,220
scalability of our response Mr Marney

855
00:44:14,220 --> 00:44:16,920
you can absolutely uh jump in if you'd

856
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,839
like uh it sounded as if you were

857
00:44:18,839 --> 00:44:21,119
identifying that an auditorium was an

858
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:23,160
over response that was particularly not

859
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,440
necessary unless we're anticipating a

860
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,420
huge influx of developers which you said

861
00:44:27,420 --> 00:44:30,000
was not the case with our city

862
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,460
um it is legally considered a very

863
00:44:32,460 --> 00:44:36,000
drastic remedy but it is only up to the

864
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,280
council to determine whether or not they

865
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:39,359
feel it's more interested in this

866
00:44:39,359 --> 00:44:42,420
situation there's five large criteria

867
00:44:42,420 --> 00:44:44,880
that we have to meet as the reasonable

868
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,680
time frame it has to be valid public

869
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,880
purpose it has to address the situation

870
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,500
that is being shared substantially by

871
00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:55,800
the public at large and there's a strict

872
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,900
procedure that we have to adhere to and

873
00:44:57,900 --> 00:44:59,720
it has to have a time sir

874
00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:02,819
so the law looks disfavorably upon you

875
00:45:02,819 --> 00:45:04,020
know

876
00:45:04,020 --> 00:45:06,599
yeah multiple extensions and kind of

877
00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:09,180
taking that hand down the road but

878
00:45:09,180 --> 00:45:11,220
ultimately whether or not to pursue that

879
00:45:11,220 --> 00:45:13,140
is going to be up to the council they

880
00:45:13,140 --> 00:45:14,760
can direct the Law Department to draft

881
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,220
that ordinance and you know it would

882
00:45:17,220 --> 00:45:18,900
largely parallel

883
00:45:18,900 --> 00:45:21,839
um uh the Bethlehem importance that that

884
00:45:21,839 --> 00:45:24,240
appears to be very well researched and

885
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:26,160
there are templates that we've done to

886
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:31,010
do that

887
00:45:31,020 --> 00:45:33,000
as far as the moratorium goes I think

888
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,760
it's reasonable to make it six months or

889
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,940
less whatever that would be but it would

890
00:45:38,940 --> 00:45:41,280
allow the city the opportunity to go

891
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,240
through find the businesses that are not

892
00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:49,260
operating legally have been addressed it

893
00:45:49,260 --> 00:45:51,839
would also allow the council time to

894
00:45:51,839 --> 00:45:54,839
figure out a zoning issue for smoke

895
00:45:54,839 --> 00:45:58,319
shops so I think that is a reasonable

896
00:45:58,319 --> 00:45:59,940
time frame

897
00:45:59,940 --> 00:46:01,920
whether it's six months three months

898
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,619
whatever but that would allow those

899
00:46:04,619 --> 00:46:07,319
activities to be done without new smoke

900
00:46:07,319 --> 00:46:10,440
shops opening there's complaints all the

901
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,300
times that the neighborhood meetings of

902
00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:14,880
just in Bellevue alone they're six Goose

903
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,339
Hill there's a whole pile I'm sure every

904
00:46:17,339 --> 00:46:19,560
neighborhood there's a bunch and people

905
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,400
are complaining about these being opened

906
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,640
as far as the Zoning for the Cannabis

907
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,640
shops I believe there's case law that

908
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,280
would be in our favor I don't remember

909
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,520
it but I can get that would be in our

910
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,160
favor for the zoning of m1m2 again

911
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,740
plenty of parking won't interfere with

912
00:46:40,740 --> 00:46:43,619
other commercial areas they're

913
00:46:43,619 --> 00:46:46,880
relatively easy to get to in terms of

914
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,060
Transportation so

915
00:46:50,060 --> 00:46:54,079
I understand some of your some of your

916
00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:57,300
concerns but I think some of those are

917
00:46:57,300 --> 00:47:00,960
alleviated with with ability to get

918
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,140
their relatively easy and still partake

919
00:47:04,140 --> 00:47:09,119
in illegal activity so I think you know

920
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:10,740
I think that's a reasonable thing the

921
00:47:10,740 --> 00:47:13,920
city's done it before it's nothing new

922
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,640
the same with the moratorium and I think

923
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:22,370
they're worth considering

924
00:47:22,380 --> 00:47:25,680
yes that's right so um I I would just

925
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:26,700
say

926
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:31,640
um so the concerns that I had are

927
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,599
aligned with kind of what the state's

928
00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:36,180
doing right now and I think that

929
00:47:36,180 --> 00:47:38,460
because the city has done things before

930
00:47:38,460 --> 00:47:40,440
I don't know that the city has always

931
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:46,859
operated with what we would uh theme of Equitable lens I'm not

932
00:47:46,859 --> 00:47:48,720
saying that hasn't but

933
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:50,819
well I will say that it hasn't always

934
00:47:50,819 --> 00:47:53,280
done that so being that this is a kind

935
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,200
of a new industry

936
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,319
um and a lot of the reason why this

937
00:47:58,319 --> 00:48:00,839
industry is now existing is to go is to

938
00:48:00,839 --> 00:48:02,700
write some of those historical wrongs

939
00:48:02,700 --> 00:48:04,500
then I just think that it's really

940
00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:06,720
important that we don't use the same

941
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:10,079
maybe uh existing uh metric in order to

942
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:12,000
measure if we're being Equitable or not

943
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:18,890
that's what I'm saying

944
00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:24,890
okay um so

945
00:48:24,900 --> 00:48:27,540
is it the opinion of the council

946
00:48:27,540 --> 00:48:29,819
generally that you want to move forward

947
00:48:29,819 --> 00:48:31,920
looking at avenues the Law Department

948
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:37,370
look at a moratorium on smoke shops

949
00:48:37,380 --> 00:48:42,950
footage discussion around that

950
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,900
I I think I think it's definitely

951
00:48:45,900 --> 00:48:50,569
reasonable to look at it again

952
00:48:50,579 --> 00:48:52,319
treat someone with any similarly you

953
00:48:52,319 --> 00:48:55,920
have to acknowledge that there is a

954
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,980
some more um

955
00:48:58,980 --> 00:49:00,599
some more factors that we got to be

956
00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:03,020
considered and those factors are around

957
00:49:03,020 --> 00:49:06,240
Equitable access and a ability to

958
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:08,400
participate in this growing economy

959
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,160
industry

960
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:12,540
um I thought I thought you were when

961
00:49:12,540 --> 00:49:13,440
you're talking about the Equitable

962
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,640
access you're really talking about the

963
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,099
cannabis well right well what I'm saying

964
00:49:17,099 --> 00:49:19,980
is that uh of Mr Martin's were saying

965
00:49:19,980 --> 00:49:21,420
that teaching similar things similarly

966
00:49:21,420 --> 00:49:23,819
so if we are treating them similarly

967
00:49:23,819 --> 00:49:25,920
then I just want to make sure that we're

968
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,020
um that we're using the you know the

969
00:49:28,020 --> 00:49:30,540
Equitable lens that's all because we're

970
00:49:30,540 --> 00:49:32,160
not talking about a moratorium on open

971
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:36,480
canvas correct all right okay

972
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:46,150
thing

973
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,500
Supermarket selling tobacco so I think

974
00:49:49,500 --> 00:49:51,240
is it what you meant the smoke shop

975
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:53,480
selling tobacco versus another small

976
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,859
individual something just selling

977
00:49:55,859 --> 00:49:56,839
tobacco

978
00:49:56,839 --> 00:50:00,180
right so it's right yeah like a grocery

979
00:50:00,180 --> 00:50:02,280
store selling cigarettes is very

980
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,380
different from the percentage of a home

981
00:50:04,380 --> 00:50:07,319
store or cannabis retail Lounge

982
00:50:07,319 --> 00:50:08,240
um

983
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:11,700
so those civil reviews yes we want but

984
00:50:11,700 --> 00:50:13,740
we're not going to lump in you know the

985
00:50:13,740 --> 00:50:15,480
stewards

986
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,000
part of part of it they sell cigarettes

987
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:23,170
but that's not their primary source

988
00:50:23,180 --> 00:50:25,800
so having this question like is there a

989
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,180
formula around like how we could

990
00:50:27,180 --> 00:50:29,579
understand like what their primary

991
00:50:29,579 --> 00:50:32,160
resource income is right because I think

992
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,020
because I'm just not really clear like I

993
00:50:34,020 --> 00:50:36,000
mean if you say like Joe's Smoke Shop

994
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,260
and I think it's a pretty fair

995
00:50:37,260 --> 00:50:39,180
assumption to say it's a smoke shop you

996
00:50:39,180 --> 00:50:40,980
know but outside of you know is there

997
00:50:40,980 --> 00:50:42,960
some

998
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:44,900
that we do

999
00:50:44,900 --> 00:50:47,700
it's largely baked into the definitions

1000
00:50:47,700 --> 00:50:49,859
for those specific uses

1001
00:50:49,859 --> 00:50:52,020
um and and the goal is to try to capture

1002
00:50:52,020 --> 00:50:53,940
businesses that

1003
00:50:53,940 --> 00:50:57,059
that's really not the primary use

1004
00:50:57,059 --> 00:50:59,099
so uh you know sometimes it's a percent

1005
00:50:59,099 --> 00:51:02,220
you know percentage based uh I think we

1006
00:51:02,220 --> 00:51:05,220
did it a very similar definition

1007
00:51:05,220 --> 00:51:08,040
um with the certificate of use

1008
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,619
uh

1009
00:51:10,619 --> 00:51:13,280
I believe where but um yeah

1010
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:20,890
so we had defined it um

1011
00:51:20,900 --> 00:51:24,000
saying that it's uh premises for

1012
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,660
cannabis Canada nicotine tobacco are

1013
00:51:27,660 --> 00:51:29,640
sold for consumption on the premises or

1014
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,200
where these products or related to

1015
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,059
paraphernalia are primary are the

1016
00:51:33,059 --> 00:51:38,329
primary source of income at retail and

1017
00:51:38,339 --> 00:51:41,160
cannabis or tobacco retail stores smoke

1018
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:42,720
shops vape shops Google lounges

1019
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:45,720
consumption managers and the like and as

1020
00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:49,260
of now we have very specific definitions

1021
00:51:49,260 --> 00:51:51,780
of at least the candidates uses that the

1022
00:51:51,780 --> 00:51:53,520
state has provided for for their

1023
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,099
legislation which we would largely use

1024
00:51:56,099 --> 00:51:58,980
then parallels but not so much for the

1025
00:51:58,980 --> 00:52:01,980
smoke shops okay

1026
00:52:01,980 --> 00:52:04,260
nice to talk thank you

1027
00:52:04,260 --> 00:52:07,160
um so I can have uh send this to

1028
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,660
Samantha and have her send out I think

1029
00:52:09,660 --> 00:52:11,160
you have it the copy of the town of

1030
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,200
Bethlehem local raw filing this might

1031
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:20,520
help you Mr Farley is vape shops um they Define as a retail outlet with 25

1032
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,040
or more of its retail space devoted to

1033
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,200
selling Distributing any electronic

1034
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,339
cigarette vapor product Etc they came up

1035
00:52:29,339 --> 00:52:30,440
with the

1036
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,059
description for a smoke shop a retail

1037
00:52:33,059 --> 00:52:35,099
space solely devoted to selling or

1038
00:52:35,099 --> 00:52:39,059
Distributing any tobacco electronic and

1039
00:52:39,059 --> 00:52:40,619
then of course it goes into the Cannabis

1040
00:52:40,619 --> 00:52:42,900
but and those two things might happen I

1041
00:52:42,900 --> 00:52:45,119
can send the copy to Sam and she can

1042
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:50,089
send it out to everyone if that's okay

1043
00:52:50,099 --> 00:52:53,339
and in that regard the moratoria will

1044
00:52:53,339 --> 00:52:56,880
serve to preserve the status quo so it

1045
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,460
just puts a pause and then you guys will

1046
00:52:59,460 --> 00:53:00,839
still have to go through the public

1047
00:53:00,839 --> 00:53:04,260
hearing process and and uh and and

1048
00:53:04,260 --> 00:53:09,829
important to developments

1049
00:53:09,839 --> 00:53:11,700
so with regards to that what was the

1050
00:53:11,700 --> 00:53:12,900
time frame you would need to actually

1051
00:53:12,900 --> 00:53:14,880
give you that language

1052
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,980
um and also I know that tonight you

1053
00:53:16,980 --> 00:53:19,020
certainly in terms of the zoning part of

1054
00:53:19,020 --> 00:53:20,339
it and

1055
00:53:20,339 --> 00:53:22,800
um and maybe I should just add um I

1056
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:23,700
don't

1057
00:53:23,700 --> 00:53:26,280
um I think just relegating it just to

1058
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,040
two like way way outside the city

1059
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,559
um puts many probably businesses at a

1060
00:53:31,559 --> 00:53:33,839
disadvantage so I'm open to looking at

1061
00:53:33,839 --> 00:53:35,520
places outside neighborhoods so it's not

1062
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,260
concentrated in neighborhoods but I

1063
00:53:37,260 --> 00:53:38,579
think that if we can do some type of

1064
00:53:38,579 --> 00:53:40,920
overlay that kind of says we're in other

1065
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,300
business quarters because I know that's

1066
00:53:42,300 --> 00:53:44,160
part of the legislation that New York

1067
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,900
state says that they can be in business

1068
00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:47,880
cards that we should be able to look at

1069
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:48,990
that as well

1070
00:53:48,990 --> 00:53:50,220
[Music]

1071
00:53:50,220 --> 00:53:52,859
um with respect to uh moratorium that's

1072
00:53:52,859 --> 00:53:54,359
the council's wish we could have been

1073
00:53:54,359 --> 00:53:55,640
prepared for Monday

1074
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,520
and put that forward I do think that

1075
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,680
with respect to the zoning changes it

1076
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,359
would probably take approximately three

1077
00:54:03,359 --> 00:54:06,300
months to go through that process and

1078
00:54:06,300 --> 00:54:07,980
um

1079
00:54:07,980 --> 00:54:10,140
counsel about how they would want to

1080
00:54:10,140 --> 00:54:11,960
move forward with that so we can draft

1081
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,520
ordinance that reflects the council's

1082
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,260
wishes or what the mayor's consent

1083
00:54:16,260 --> 00:54:17,460
involved with the Department of

1084
00:54:17,460 --> 00:54:18,960
development

1085
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:26,990
but

1086
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,160
between is that a conservative timeline

1087
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,380
or is that like as soon as possible um

1088
00:54:31,380 --> 00:54:33,540
the the changes the reality is that the

1089
00:54:33,540 --> 00:54:34,920
changes

1090
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,260
um are relatively minor I mean we

1091
00:54:37,260 --> 00:54:39,599
already have the framework in place so

1092
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:42,660
you know this is just some tweaks to the

1093
00:54:42,660 --> 00:54:44,579
existing zoning ordinance to add

1094
00:54:44,579 --> 00:54:46,319
definitions to add some parking

1095
00:54:46,319 --> 00:54:48,180
restrictions to add you know some

1096
00:54:48,180 --> 00:54:51,720
queuing language and then uh change the

1097
00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:53,339
zones and it doesn't matter in the city

1098
00:54:53,339 --> 00:54:55,800
so um you know it's not a it's not a

1099
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,599
heavy heavy lift

1100
00:54:57,599 --> 00:54:59,339
should have to go to the Planning

1101
00:54:59,339 --> 00:55:00,780
Commission

1102
00:55:00,780 --> 00:55:02,819
the recommendation on it is a

1103
00:55:02,819 --> 00:55:06,430
discretional referral

1104
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,819
I'm sorry could you just explain what

1105
00:55:08,819 --> 00:55:11,220
that is sure you guys may choose to

1106
00:55:11,220 --> 00:55:13,559
refer any proposed zoning amendments to

1107
00:55:13,559 --> 00:55:14,819
the Planning Commission for their

1108
00:55:14,819 --> 00:55:16,559
opinion as well

1109
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:20,470
it is not required

1110
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,680
but this could have added some time

1111
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:34,210
depend anyone kind of something

1112
00:55:34,220 --> 00:55:36,900
yes can I just ask one more question so

1113
00:55:36,900 --> 00:55:39,420
you mentioned the adult use aspect of

1114
00:55:39,420 --> 00:55:41,579
the um when you were talking about the

1115
00:55:41,579 --> 00:55:44,099
zoning overlay

1116
00:55:44,099 --> 00:55:47,940
and so would that just be for this

1117
00:55:47,940 --> 00:55:49,920
cannabis or I mean there's other

1118
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,700
businesses that are just adult use

1119
00:55:52,700 --> 00:55:57,059
alcohol liquor stores Etc so we if one

1120
00:55:57,059 --> 00:55:59,099
was to pass something like this does

1121
00:55:59,099 --> 00:56:01,740
that then set a precedent around other

1122
00:56:01,740 --> 00:56:04,200
types of businesses outside of cannabis

1123
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,240
and what does that mean in terms of

1124
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:08,400
future Economic Development and Small

1125
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,559
Business Development within the city uh

1126
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:12,839
so it would be specifically defined to

1127
00:56:12,839 --> 00:56:15,119
just include what the council wanted to

1128
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:18,900
improve so I think that the just from a

1129
00:56:18,900 --> 00:56:22,260
zoning law perspective the the Cannabis

1130
00:56:22,260 --> 00:56:25,140
and the tobacco uses are somewhat

1131
00:56:25,140 --> 00:56:28,380
distinct from public restore but if the

1132
00:56:28,380 --> 00:56:30,119
council wanted to include liquor stores

1133
00:56:30,119 --> 00:56:33,359
in in that adult use overlay it

1134
00:56:33,359 --> 00:56:35,599
certainly has the right to do that

1135
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:42,720
but uh you know the the smoking uses are largely similar so I've had a lot I

1136
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:44,760
would love them together and that you

1137
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,960
have the the drinking uses it

1138
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,420
would not include it wouldn't include

1139
00:56:51,420 --> 00:56:54,720
other adult establishments those are

1140
00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:56,040
already provided for in the zoning

1141
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:57,660
ordinance unless the council wanted to

1142
00:56:57,660 --> 00:56:58,980
change that and they are already

1143
00:56:58,980 --> 00:57:02,640
restricted to the institutional or the

1144
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,650
uh the manufacturing districts

1145
00:57:06,660 --> 00:57:09,559
adult entertainment uses

1146
00:57:09,559 --> 00:57:13,380
yes and do we need to revisit anything

1147
00:57:13,380 --> 00:57:15,680
um if and when

1148
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,540
the other aspect of this is the launches

1149
00:57:18,540 --> 00:57:20,940
which we obviously have the opportunity

1150
00:57:20,940 --> 00:57:23,520
yet and I think it would be a while

1151
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,200
before the state gets to it as well

1152
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,859
given how this role has it would be my

1153
00:57:28,859 --> 00:57:30,960
recommendation to improve

1154
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,880
with whatever zoning amendments they're

1155
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:40,569
making that the consumption aspect of it

1156
00:57:40,579 --> 00:57:43,200
it's been I think it would be worthwhile

1157
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:44,819
to look at it's only a map of the city

1158
00:57:44,819 --> 00:57:46,920
because I think some of these M1 and M2

1159
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,740
zones would surprise you as to their

1160
00:57:49,740 --> 00:57:52,859
locations within the city I obviously

1161
00:57:52,859 --> 00:57:55,980
don't know all of them but like I said

1162
00:57:55,980 --> 00:57:59,220
the one smack right at the bottom of

1163
00:57:59,220 --> 00:58:01,619
Broadway Hill that's not out of the area

1164
00:58:01,619 --> 00:58:05,880
I mean the Max and road is okay I will

1165
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,520
concede is on the outskirts but there

1166
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,440
are other areas within the city that

1167
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,079
would fall in this category so I think

1168
00:58:13,079 --> 00:58:15,900
it's worth looking at before creating an

1169
00:58:15,900 --> 00:58:19,800
entire new zoning level this may perhaps

1170
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:27,790
fit the need

1171
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,480
did you by any chance

1172
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,040
um obviously I think we all heard

1173
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,200
complaints when we found a store first

1174
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,059
opened but I've been monitoring it

1175
00:58:36,059 --> 00:58:37,799
almost daily

1176
00:58:37,799 --> 00:58:40,559
um and I you know clearly the the line

1177
00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:43,440
has dissipated

1178
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,380
um I myself haven't been getting any you

1179
00:58:46,380 --> 00:58:48,119
know more complaints since that first

1180
00:58:48,119 --> 00:58:50,819
few weeks of the store being in business

1181
00:58:50,819 --> 00:58:52,980
so I just want to know if you had gone

1182
00:58:52,980 --> 00:58:55,680
back and spoken to any business owners

1183
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,240
or other people

1184
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,059
um I mean I'm totally the youth aspect

1185
00:59:00,059 --> 00:59:02,339
of this obviously

1186
00:59:02,339 --> 00:59:05,579
um you know I I'm completely supported

1187
00:59:05,579 --> 00:59:08,099
the idea of not being here youth zones

1188
00:59:08,099 --> 00:59:09,440
and of course that's part of the

1189
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,299
regulations to begin with

1190
00:59:12,299 --> 00:59:14,220
um but I was just wondering if you've

1191
00:59:14,220 --> 00:59:16,380
heard other complaints more recently

1192
00:59:16,380 --> 00:59:18,540
from business owners yeah there's still

1193
00:59:18,540 --> 00:59:21,000
ongoing complaints um

1194
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:25,460
with parking and with people lining up

1195
00:59:25,460 --> 00:59:28,020
when I went by last week there was a

1196
00:59:28,020 --> 00:59:30,720
line so maybe we're going at different

1197
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,940
times but I think it depends when you're

1198
00:59:32,940 --> 00:59:34,680
there there's lines and there's not and

1199
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,619
I think there's still concerns as to the

1200
00:59:37,619 --> 00:59:41,280
parking and of course not everybody is

1201
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,380
bad because no matter what you do

1202
00:59:43,380 --> 00:59:45,660
there's like one out of ten it's going

1203
00:59:45,660 --> 00:59:48,599
to be not conforming to appropriate

1204
00:59:48,599 --> 00:59:51,660
behavior so but there's it's smack in a

1205
00:59:51,660 --> 00:59:54,500
commercial Zone with small businesses so

1206
00:59:54,500 --> 00:59:56,880
you know when you could get that if it

1207
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,040
was people lining up for the tennis shop

1208
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,880
you know so you know to be fair to the

1209
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,400
right to the cannabis shop I mean I

1210
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,059
think you get that regardless but I I do

1211
01:00:09,059 --> 01:00:12,599
believe with the emphasis with the

1212
01:00:12,599 --> 01:00:14,640
school the dance studio some of the

1213
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,220
other aspects the negative aspects

1214
01:00:17,220 --> 01:00:19,920
towards the parking and some of that

1215
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,020
those type things I think it's worth

1216
01:00:22,020 --> 01:00:23,940
looking at

1217
01:00:23,940 --> 01:00:25,559
um just to be clear regardless of what

1218
01:00:25,559 --> 01:00:27,720
we do Zone Zone forward that will not

1219
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,420
impact that location

1220
01:00:29,420 --> 01:00:32,040
like that yeah right so

1221
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:35,760
yes so I'm just um has anyone spoken to

1222
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:36,799
the

1223
01:00:36,799 --> 01:00:39,359
shopping question like directly because

1224
01:00:39,359 --> 01:00:40,920
I know that we've probably talked to

1225
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:42,599
other businesses who's looking for

1226
01:00:42,599 --> 01:00:45,119
having to talk to the owner of that

1227
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:46,319
particular

1228
01:00:46,319 --> 01:00:49,440
shop I have not find out the mirror and

1229
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,559
the police chief had and he's trying to

1230
01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:54,720
do the right thing I'm not I'm not

1231
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,180
attacking Mr Andrews let me let me just

1232
01:00:57,180 --> 01:01:00,420
be clear now no no I just I just want to

1233
01:01:00,420 --> 01:01:04,319
make that clear yeah yeah he's opening

1234
01:01:04,319 --> 01:01:06,119
he's got a business it's a legal

1235
01:01:06,119 --> 01:01:09,180
business he's doing the best he can but

1236
01:01:09,180 --> 01:01:10,920
you know there are issues with the other

1237
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,680
businesses around there

1238
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,420
and how do we

1239
01:01:15,420 --> 01:01:18,540
balance that to make everybody happy so

1240
01:01:18,540 --> 01:01:20,520
I was I was mentioning that because I

1241
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:21,660
was going to say there might be some

1242
01:01:21,660 --> 01:01:23,700
things that are within his control that

1243
01:01:23,700 --> 01:01:26,040
he can you know and I wonder if maybe

1244
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:27,660
help them facilitate the conversation

1245
01:01:27,660 --> 01:01:32,640
with him and um other business owners to see you know because sometimes their

1246
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:34,740
perception might be he's making some

1247
01:01:34,740 --> 01:01:36,660
decisions and that's where it looks like

1248
01:01:36,660 --> 01:01:38,760
this and then the reality might be

1249
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:40,920
there's illegal things that he has to

1250
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:42,960
adhere to which is producing this result

1251
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,079
that they might be desirable and maybe

1252
01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:48,000
with understanding that then you know

1253
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:49,619
they could do that you know have a

1254
01:01:49,619 --> 01:01:51,059
different perspective because again I

1255
01:01:51,059 --> 01:01:52,920
just want to you know I know that that

1256
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:56,760
is a small business owned by owner

1257
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,099
operated by person of color I don't know

1258
01:01:59,099 --> 01:02:01,980
how many businesses on that strip

1259
01:02:01,980 --> 01:02:04,380
um is owned by people of color or people

1260
01:02:04,380 --> 01:02:06,000
from marginalized communities and I

1261
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,720
think that again the entire

1262
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,460
discussion background of this is about

1263
01:02:11,460 --> 01:02:12,720
you know addressing some of those things

1264
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,240
so if we're not asking those intentional

1265
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,579
questions and maybe having lengthier

1266
01:02:17,579 --> 01:02:20,220
conversations and adding in a new lens

1267
01:02:20,220 --> 01:02:22,380
to look at what's existing then we run

1268
01:02:22,380 --> 01:02:24,180
the risk of perpetuating a problem that

1269
01:02:24,180 --> 01:02:25,559
this is trying to solve and I wanted to

1270
01:02:25,559 --> 01:02:28,440
say if we understand that as a counselor

1271
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:29,760
then that's how we have to be making our

1272
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:31,500
decisions even when it's uncomfortable

1273
01:02:31,500 --> 01:02:33,299
to bring up a talk while we still need

1274
01:02:33,299 --> 01:02:36,549
to do it

1275
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:39,059
and I would say also a completely

1276
01:02:39,059 --> 01:02:41,220
restricting that access to our downtown

1277
01:02:41,220 --> 01:02:43,559
area which is clearly one of our biggest

1278
01:02:43,559 --> 01:02:45,540
selling points within the city should

1279
01:02:45,540 --> 01:02:48,119
require a lot of in-depth conversations

1280
01:02:48,119 --> 01:02:51,660
which to your point Mr palomini is a

1281
01:02:51,660 --> 01:02:53,160
direct reflect of just our immediate

1282
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:59,450
perceptions this one story

1283
01:02:59,460 --> 01:03:00,420
okay

1284
01:03:00,420 --> 01:03:03,780
so um so and just for the record there's

1285
01:03:03,780 --> 01:03:05,280
a lot of zoning stuff actually you could

1286
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,319
like probably do with a whole new

1287
01:03:07,319 --> 01:03:09,240
Zoning for the city because there's a

1288
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,160
lot of things that are currently zoned

1289
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,200
one way that would the way our city is

1290
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:14,700
changing over the years

1291
01:03:14,700 --> 01:03:16,140
um it's been a couple decades I think

1292
01:03:16,140 --> 01:03:19,680
coming uh 2008 was the last time okay

1293
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,020
um that we haven't had a overall zone so

1294
01:03:22,020 --> 01:03:23,520
this this is probably going to come up a

1295
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:24,180
lot

1296
01:03:24,180 --> 01:03:26,579
so maybe we should just just put in your

1297
01:03:26,579 --> 01:03:27,900
mind that we should think about doing an

1298
01:03:27,900 --> 01:03:30,000
overall zoning um throughout the entire

1299
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,700
city not right at this moment but

1300
01:03:32,700 --> 01:03:34,380
something to consider in the very near

1301
01:03:34,380 --> 01:03:35,640
future

1302
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:37,260
um

1303
01:03:37,260 --> 01:03:39,599
so at this point it again the question

1304
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:41,819
so yes we need to

1305
01:03:41,819 --> 01:03:43,980
um I would say we would what input do

1306
01:03:43,980 --> 01:03:45,359
you need from the council in terms of

1307
01:03:45,359 --> 01:03:47,099
the zoning what do you need to move

1308
01:03:47,099 --> 01:03:48,960
forward on that

1309
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:50,220
um so

1310
01:03:50,220 --> 01:03:52,680
with respect to the zoning

1311
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:56,220
um we largely need direction on

1312
01:03:56,220 --> 01:03:58,680
uh what path the council wishes to

1313
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:00,359
choose in order to drag the ordinance so

1314
01:04:00,359 --> 01:04:02,700
just to be very to clarify there's the

1315
01:04:02,700 --> 01:04:06,000
path where you choose what district

1316
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:07,920
um that those uses are going to be

1317
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,440
permitted in or not permitted in or the

1318
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,319
overlay path which allows greater

1319
01:04:13,319 --> 01:04:15,599
flexibility to allow that use in

1320
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:17,780
multiple different

1321
01:04:17,780 --> 01:04:20,460
zoning districts but restricted to

1322
01:04:20,460 --> 01:04:23,220
geographic area in that District so it

1323
01:04:23,220 --> 01:04:25,319
essentially floats over the existing

1324
01:04:25,319 --> 01:04:29,119
concerning versus

1325
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:32,099
making those uses only for you know

1326
01:04:32,099 --> 01:04:39,119
permitted in the C1 two and three or the M1 and two or just the M1 so those

1327
01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:42,020
are two paths that the council can take

1328
01:04:42,020 --> 01:04:45,900
and then uh you know the the rest of it

1329
01:04:45,900 --> 01:04:48,780
would be you know the parking which we

1330
01:04:48,780 --> 01:04:50,339
would we would need you know a planner

1331
01:04:50,339 --> 01:04:53,040
to get some recommendations on and

1332
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,200
um if there would be need to be any

1333
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,660
language with respect to out queuing of

1334
01:04:57,660 --> 01:05:01,260
those uses and end up in the lines and

1335
01:05:01,260 --> 01:05:04,319
then any any other

1336
01:05:04,319 --> 01:05:06,000
um you know any other reasonable

1337
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,839
restriction with respect to

1338
01:05:08,839 --> 01:05:12,359
the the look and the exterior of the

1339
01:05:12,359 --> 01:05:15,480
Aesthetics and then with respect to the

1340
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:17,460
smoke shop specifically smoke with a

1341
01:05:17,460 --> 01:05:21,180
non-cannabis uses uh

1342
01:05:21,180 --> 01:05:23,040
restrictions that are available are much

1343
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:25,380
higher so we can add footage

1344
01:05:25,380 --> 01:05:28,460
restrictions we can to those types of

1345
01:05:28,460 --> 01:05:31,200
amendments in the ordinance the parallel

1346
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,900
maybe with the Savior with the Cannabis

1347
01:05:33,900 --> 01:05:35,579
licensing

1348
01:05:35,579 --> 01:05:38,160
so those are the directions and then

1349
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,040
with respect to the moratoria you know

1350
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:42,540
that is largely something that's going

1351
01:05:42,540 --> 01:05:44,640
to be a creature or a law and we can we

1352
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,040
can the Law Department can draft that if

1353
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,950
that's what the council wants

1354
01:05:49,950 --> 01:05:54,190
[Music]

1355
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,000
so this is really up for the session so

1356
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:58,500
at this point in time

1357
01:05:58,500 --> 01:06:00,119
um

1358
01:06:00,119 --> 01:06:03,359
if the council chooses we can decide to

1359
01:06:03,359 --> 01:06:05,280
move forward with at least the

1360
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,980
moratorium if that's what um

1361
01:06:07,980 --> 01:06:10,799
the direction we want to move in or

1362
01:06:10,799 --> 01:06:11,640
um

1363
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,280
I wanted to know from for me Mr

1364
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:17,099
um how like if we decided we wanted to

1365
01:06:17,099 --> 01:06:18,660
look at both is that just too much to

1366
01:06:18,660 --> 01:06:20,760
ask to look at the district versus the

1367
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:23,040
overlay

1368
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:26,280
um yeah yeah so if if you want to put

1369
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,920
the moratorium in place that pretty much

1370
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:30,660
puts freeze on anything and then the

1371
01:06:30,660 --> 01:06:32,940
council can weigh and have discussions

1372
01:06:32,940 --> 01:06:34,799
of the way the pros and cons

1373
01:06:34,799 --> 01:06:35,940
I think

1374
01:06:35,940 --> 01:06:39,000
at the beginning of drafting you know

1375
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,220
before we put pen into paper we're going

1376
01:06:41,220 --> 01:06:43,260
to want to know that direction the

1377
01:06:43,260 --> 01:06:45,420
council would like to go in but

1378
01:06:45,420 --> 01:06:48,119
certainly you can discuss

1379
01:06:48,119 --> 01:06:51,200
the pros and cons of either the path

1380
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:53,460
either restricting interest to certain

1381
01:06:53,460 --> 01:06:55,740
zones and letting it in those zones or

1382
01:06:55,740 --> 01:06:57,539
creating this overlay which would flow

1383
01:06:57,539 --> 01:07:00,609
over the existence

1384
01:07:00,619 --> 01:07:03,660
and truthfully that is largely a policy

1385
01:07:03,660 --> 01:07:07,380
decision to do that it's not a local

1386
01:07:07,380 --> 01:07:12,289
question

1387
01:07:12,299 --> 01:07:14,119
yeah

1388
01:07:14,119 --> 01:07:16,200
so the question is on the table whether

1389
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,119
we're moving forward or not with the to

1390
01:07:18,119 --> 01:07:20,339
move the moratorium forward to or to

1391
01:07:20,339 --> 01:07:22,619
wait for that and what the next

1392
01:07:22,619 --> 01:07:23,700
committee meeting which is actually

1393
01:07:23,700 --> 01:07:26,160
three weeks and not two because we have

1394
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,260
how we have the fifth Monday

1395
01:07:28,260 --> 01:07:30,900
yes

1396
01:07:30,900 --> 01:07:34,619
if you want to consider that more

1397
01:07:34,619 --> 01:07:37,740
for the day forecast Mr Williams well I

1398
01:07:37,740 --> 01:07:39,720
think in instance Israel we can solicit

1399
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:41,160
feedback from like more Partners

1400
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:42,480
absolutely because this in the best

1401
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,280
position to make the right decision I

1402
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,200
was originally opposed to six months and

1403
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:47,579
I was looking to do something a little

1404
01:07:47,579 --> 01:07:49,619
sooner just so we can try upon the

1405
01:07:49,619 --> 01:07:51,660
importance of getting to a decision soon

1406
01:07:51,660 --> 01:07:55,440
later but I think with respect to making

1407
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,140
every consideration possible without

1408
01:07:58,140 --> 01:07:59,940
continuously delaying this I think it

1409
01:07:59,940 --> 01:08:01,859
would be appropriate to get or seek the

1410
01:08:01,859 --> 01:08:05,099
opinion of the Planning Commission

1411
01:08:05,099 --> 01:08:08,640
in terms of the military uh not the

1412
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:12,119
moratorium but with uh moving towards uh

1413
01:08:12,119 --> 01:08:14,339
redistricting the zones or the older

1414
01:08:14,339 --> 01:08:16,080
base

1415
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:17,759
yeah

1416
01:08:17,759 --> 01:08:19,980
if the capsule put into places six

1417
01:08:19,980 --> 01:08:26,650
months

1418
01:08:26,660 --> 01:08:31,679
so if things move faster

1419
01:08:31,679 --> 01:08:34,739
it would be good what tends to happen is

1420
01:08:34,739 --> 01:08:37,140
it moves slower and you extend it and

1421
01:08:37,140 --> 01:08:39,600
then people could feel aggrieved and you

1422
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,759
know the name give the potential for

1423
01:08:41,759 --> 01:08:44,520
some litigation there or less than

1424
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:49,090
opposing outcomes

1425
01:08:49,100 --> 01:08:53,450
I don't know

1426
01:08:53,460 --> 01:08:56,580
so I mean I I at this point I just

1427
01:08:56,580 --> 01:08:58,319
wouldn't be comfortable with uh moving

1428
01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:00,000
forward with that just until I think

1429
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:01,440
that there's some just some questions I

1430
01:09:01,440 --> 01:09:03,060
would have to be answered

1431
01:09:03,060 --> 01:09:06,000
um and I think that there needs to be

1432
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,219
some additional lenses that we're

1433
01:09:08,219 --> 01:09:10,020
looking through on and looking at maybe

1434
01:09:10,020 --> 01:09:12,359
some other unintended consequences

1435
01:09:12,359 --> 01:09:14,460
that I would be more comfortable

1436
01:09:14,460 --> 01:09:18,610
bringing that back

1437
01:09:18,620 --> 01:09:20,880
let me talk about the more time yeah

1438
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:24,120
they are driving me to I guess how I see

1439
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:25,980
this about making the

1440
01:09:25,980 --> 01:09:28,080
right decision rather than the fast

1441
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:31,789
decision

1442
01:09:31,799 --> 01:09:34,199
I think I'd like to revisit it

1443
01:09:34,199 --> 01:09:35,219
um I think

1444
01:09:35,219 --> 01:09:38,100
that I mean for example

1445
01:09:38,100 --> 01:09:40,080
for six months it says no new

1446
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,540
applications for Vape or smoke shops and

1447
01:09:42,540 --> 01:09:44,640
sale of marijuana or marijuana products

1448
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:48,120
I'm not really sure I mean that would

1449
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:49,799
still be something that has to come down

1450
01:09:49,799 --> 01:09:51,179
from the office of Campus Management

1451
01:09:51,179 --> 01:09:53,160
anyway right in terms of getting a

1452
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:55,380
license to someone who sells canvas as

1453
01:09:55,380 --> 01:09:57,239
opposed to the illegal activity that's

1454
01:09:57,239 --> 01:09:58,679
happening which obviously is an

1455
01:09:58,679 --> 01:10:01,739
Enforcement issue and not a

1456
01:10:01,739 --> 01:10:05,219
I mean that so the licensing is is

1457
01:10:05,219 --> 01:10:07,219
distinct and separate from

1458
01:10:07,219 --> 01:10:09,660
somebody's ability to see the land use

1459
01:10:09,660 --> 01:10:12,000
approval within a municipality so the

1460
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:16,880
city council is within its authority to suspend use entirely

1461
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,260
they can still work to get their license

1462
01:10:19,260 --> 01:10:21,179
into the state but it's distinct and

1463
01:10:21,179 --> 01:10:23,040
separate from any individual's

1464
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:24,900
permission to operate a business so to

1465
01:10:24,900 --> 01:10:29,870
say

1466
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,580
so we put six months in with this

1467
01:10:32,580 --> 01:10:34,159
language

1468
01:10:34,159 --> 01:10:36,659
doesn't change anything around someone

1469
01:10:36,659 --> 01:10:38,520
and being able to legally open a

1470
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:41,580
marijuana store but cannabis it does it

1471
01:10:41,580 --> 01:10:44,219
does they they could not legally open a

1472
01:10:44,219 --> 01:10:46,500
Canada's retail store in the city is

1473
01:10:46,500 --> 01:10:52,790
connected freeze I'm going to be frozen

1474
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:56,640
the state's license doesn't override the

1475
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:01,320
municipalities ability to decide where things are going to go within

1476
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:02,520
their parents well that's the zoning

1477
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:04,500
piece because in terms of the moratorium

1478
01:11:04,500 --> 01:11:08,100
as presented here

1479
01:11:08,100 --> 01:11:10,990
um

1480
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:14,219
I mean it does the zoning is different

1481
01:11:14,219 --> 01:11:16,380
from this they're two separate kinds of

1482
01:11:16,380 --> 01:11:19,020
they are the zoning is what gives you

1483
01:11:19,020 --> 01:11:20,760
permission to have your business here in

1484
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:24,950
the city

1485
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,780
I mean definitely in favor of

1486
01:11:27,780 --> 01:11:30,179
trying to occur what's happening is the

1487
01:11:30,179 --> 01:11:31,860
rise in the number of smoke shops and

1488
01:11:31,860 --> 01:11:34,260
The Vaping and the youth that are being

1489
01:11:34,260 --> 01:11:37,340
affected by them I'm not so sure

1490
01:11:37,340 --> 01:11:40,440
I don't know I still need some time to

1491
01:11:40,440 --> 01:11:56,229
think about it

1492
01:11:56,239 --> 01:11:57,840
lions

1493
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:01,500
so why don't we allow them is that to

1494
01:12:01,500 --> 01:12:04,199
look at that reinforcement to make sure

1495
01:12:04,199 --> 01:12:06,420
all these business come into compliance

1496
01:12:06,420 --> 01:12:08,480
in terms of getting your license

1497
01:12:08,480 --> 01:12:10,800
interviews and being complexions yeah

1498
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:12,780
and if they're not they then perhaps you

1499
01:12:12,780 --> 01:12:28,030
know

1500
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:31,800
it's not affecting current businesses

1501
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,380
it's just new

1502
01:12:34,380 --> 01:12:37,520
like what we did with the uh

1503
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:39,420
convenience stores

1504
01:12:39,420 --> 01:12:42,420
it's not impacting current businesses it

1505
01:12:42,420 --> 01:12:45,300
would only be your businesses and in new

1506
01:12:45,300 --> 01:12:48,719
businesses that are going through the

1507
01:12:48,719 --> 01:12:51,540
proper process right so it's not going

1508
01:12:51,540 --> 01:12:53,340
to address businesses that are opening

1509
01:12:53,340 --> 01:12:55,920
up illegally and it will not do anything

1510
01:12:55,920 --> 01:13:06,790
to impact existing businesses

1511
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,659
the moratorium is optional

1512
01:13:09,659 --> 01:13:11,580
um it's just to preserve the status quo

1513
01:13:11,580 --> 01:13:13,380
and and generally prevent what we

1514
01:13:13,380 --> 01:13:15,420
consider that Rush lawyer you know

1515
01:13:15,420 --> 01:13:17,460
developers are running into City Hall to

1516
01:13:17,460 --> 01:13:19,260
get there to get their permits before

1517
01:13:19,260 --> 01:13:25,070
the city changes designed

1518
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,000
did you ever think so no no I just

1519
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:28,320
thought I was back to that I mean you

1520
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,500
mentioned about possible region

1521
01:13:30,500 --> 01:13:33,179
you know sensitive about that being on a

1522
01:13:33,179 --> 01:13:36,000
lot of reach and do something that is

1523
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:37,800
there a problem yes it was a problem

1524
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:39,739
about them they are enforcement went on

1525
01:13:39,739 --> 01:13:43,800
to Portland it's allow that to work and

1526
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:45,840
put these things employers into the rest

1527
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,300
of these things I'm going to back up and

1528
01:13:48,300 --> 01:13:50,400
say I mean because I wasn't really

1529
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,980
thinking in terms of the new aspect of

1530
01:13:52,980 --> 01:13:56,280
this so in terms of new shops opening I

1531
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,380
don't think that any in terms of the

1532
01:13:58,380 --> 01:14:00,540
Cannabis shops I don't know how that

1533
01:14:00,540 --> 01:14:02,940
it's going to be a while before we've

1534
01:14:02,940 --> 01:14:05,460
probably even see another license in the

1535
01:14:05,460 --> 01:14:08,219
city of Schenectady but I I don't know

1536
01:14:08,219 --> 01:14:10,679
that to be I I know this but let me tell

1537
01:14:10,679 --> 01:14:12,179
you there's people that are currently

1538
01:14:12,179 --> 01:14:15,000
looking so I don't know get licenses

1539
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,520
yeah yeah so I don't know what the time

1540
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:18,960
frame is because I you know I haven't

1541
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,120
had those discussions with anyone but I

1542
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:23,040
do know that there are those there are

1543
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:26,040
entities that we are trying to

1544
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:28,440
um get cannabis licenses so which is why

1545
01:14:28,440 --> 01:14:32,280
we need to have our zoning in place so we can figure out

1546
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,199
and make sure that they're in places and

1547
01:14:34,199 --> 01:14:35,820
again I see that as a separate the

1548
01:14:35,820 --> 01:14:37,739
zoning I see is accept a little bit of a

1549
01:14:37,739 --> 01:14:39,360
separate thing but I do think that

1550
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:41,640
obviously we have to cut back on the

1551
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:43,679
number of these smoke and vape shops

1552
01:14:43,679 --> 01:14:45,780
that are opening all over everyone's

1553
01:14:45,780 --> 01:14:47,219
neighborhoods

1554
01:14:47,219 --> 01:14:49,860
um so I see this I mean in that sense I

1555
01:14:49,860 --> 01:14:51,420
could see supporting the six-month

1556
01:14:51,420 --> 01:14:53,760
moratorium on new smoke and book vape

1557
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:54,679
shops

1558
01:14:54,679 --> 01:14:57,420
I think part of the problem is that some

1559
01:14:57,420 --> 01:14:58,920
of them don't even go through the

1560
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:00,960
process though right if that's where

1561
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:03,300
it's not an enforcement aspect of the

1562
01:15:03,300 --> 01:15:04,980
current ones especially

1563
01:15:04,980 --> 01:15:07,380
has to happen I think that's what Ms

1564
01:15:07,380 --> 01:15:08,880
tutorial was mentioned in terms of

1565
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:11,340
what's Happening currently

1566
01:15:11,340 --> 01:15:14,040
absolutely that's where the moratorium

1567
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,800
would be handy it would allow the city

1568
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:20,100
an opportunity to go through identify

1569
01:15:20,100 --> 01:15:22,860
those businesses that are operating

1570
01:15:22,860 --> 01:15:26,640
building right have them addressed not

1571
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:28,980
impact the smoke shops that are doing

1572
01:15:28,980 --> 01:15:30,480
the right thing

1573
01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:34,500
and then also give us time to figure out

1574
01:15:34,500 --> 01:15:39,659
all right there's X in this neighborhood where do we need

1575
01:15:39,659 --> 01:15:41,880
to put them and so forth so that

1576
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:45,060
moratorium buys the council time in

1577
01:15:45,060 --> 01:15:47,940
order to address those issues and it

1578
01:15:47,940 --> 01:15:51,179
really is not a overreach

1579
01:15:51,179 --> 01:15:56,280
um like I said there's case law that will support the city on that

1580
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:57,060
um

1581
01:15:57,060 --> 01:16:00,179
and so I think the moratorium itself

1582
01:16:00,179 --> 01:16:01,340
would

1583
01:16:01,340 --> 01:16:04,260
not impact the current businesses allow

1584
01:16:04,260 --> 01:16:09,120
us to enforce but also address how many

1585
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,940
we have in each neighborhood so we can

1586
01:16:11,940 --> 01:16:22,610
create a proper Zone

1587
01:16:22,620 --> 01:16:24,480
I don't know about this to move over

1588
01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:27,120
there we're here when you did previous

1589
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:28,980
moratorium on the convenience stores

1590
01:16:28,980 --> 01:16:30,360
right

1591
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:32,040
um so I just

1592
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:36,770
you know I just also

1593
01:16:36,780 --> 01:16:38,219
you know I mean

1594
01:16:38,219 --> 01:16:40,320
we have to be I feel we have to be

1595
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:42,300
careful around precedence as well

1596
01:16:42,300 --> 01:16:45,830
because

1597
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:46,560
thank you

1598
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:48,860
there's future councils

1599
01:16:48,860 --> 01:16:52,260
around judgment calls and value values

1600
01:16:52,260 --> 01:16:55,080
calls around types of stores that might

1601
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:57,480
open I don't know I'm just throwing that

1602
01:16:57,480 --> 01:16:59,040
out there

1603
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:00,780
um

1604
01:17:00,780 --> 01:17:03,900
you're correct so as we have passed

1605
01:17:03,900 --> 01:17:07,260
previously um convenience stores and we

1606
01:17:07,260 --> 01:17:08,940
have seen the same thing happen over one

1607
01:17:08,940 --> 01:17:11,630
of those things

1608
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:15,239
so let's Outreach let's

1609
01:17:15,239 --> 01:17:17,040
I mean most days when we're talking

1610
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:19,320
about these smoke shops are really the

1611
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:21,540
business setup yeah so that's perfect

1612
01:17:21,540 --> 01:17:23,940
more retirement I'm going to stop anyone

1613
01:17:23,940 --> 01:17:25,860
from opening up the store that's not

1614
01:17:25,860 --> 01:17:27,380
they're going to still continue

1615
01:17:27,380 --> 01:17:32,120
so we need the enforcement they can't do it

1616
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:35,040
well I think um just just sorry to

1617
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:36,780
interrupt you just to be clear so he's

1618
01:17:36,780 --> 01:17:38,040
saying these stories aren't going

1619
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:39,360
through the process they're not going to

1620
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:40,380
the Employment Commission they're not

1621
01:17:40,380 --> 01:17:42,120
coming through they're just putting a

1622
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:44,640
sign up and said I'm here and they're

1623
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:46,440
open so illegal ones would still

1624
01:17:46,440 --> 01:17:48,860
continue to work because I guess

1625
01:17:48,860 --> 01:17:51,840
that's the Enforcement issue right and

1626
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:52,739
that's what I'm talking about the

1627
01:17:52,739 --> 01:17:54,420
aggressive enforcement allow that to

1628
01:17:54,420 --> 01:17:57,239
work and bring them in

1629
01:17:57,239 --> 01:18:00,540
like that that's great kind of graduated

1630
01:18:00,540 --> 01:18:02,280
intervention I think is the best way to

1631
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:04,800
do this right so right now

1632
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,800
um we have existing things to um hold

1633
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:09,960
businesses accountable too let's let's

1634
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,140
enforce what is on the books now to see

1635
01:18:13,140 --> 01:18:15,239
where that puts us before we start to

1636
01:18:15,239 --> 01:18:16,800
create new

1637
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:18,260
um

1638
01:18:18,260 --> 01:18:21,480
creating another intervention especially

1639
01:18:21,480 --> 01:18:22,739
if the

1640
01:18:22,739 --> 01:18:25,320
problem is that they're operating

1641
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:27,360
illegally as well they can't do that now

1642
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:29,100
and you know he didn't want to tell them

1643
01:18:29,100 --> 01:18:30,719
that they can't do that now so we

1644
01:18:30,719 --> 01:18:32,940
reinforce those on the books now and I

1645
01:18:32,940 --> 01:18:34,920
think that that again gives us time to

1646
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:36,840
be mindful of some of the unintended

1647
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:38,460
consequences that might happen if we

1648
01:18:38,460 --> 01:18:41,179
don't go with the graduate intervention

1649
01:18:41,179 --> 01:18:44,219
if we do have a moratorium in place and

1650
01:18:44,219 --> 01:18:46,440
smoke shops open we know automatically

1651
01:18:46,440 --> 01:18:48,540
they're illegal it makes it that much

1652
01:18:48,540 --> 01:18:50,940
easier to enforce while also enforcing

1653
01:18:50,940 --> 01:18:53,460
what's already out there and then

1654
01:18:53,460 --> 01:18:55,980
leaving the

1655
01:18:55,980 --> 01:18:58,800
legal businesses to do what they need to

1656
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:02,219
do and operate properly so it allows us

1657
01:19:02,219 --> 01:19:04,920
that option of being able to enforce

1658
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:07,620
easier as well as cleaning up what's

1659
01:19:07,620 --> 01:19:10,739
already there that's that's really the

1660
01:19:10,739 --> 01:19:13,260
one of the nice things in the moratorium

1661
01:19:13,260 --> 01:19:16,560
is if I open up an illegal smoke shop

1662
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:18,960
tomorrow and there's a moratorium in

1663
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,480
place and people in the neighborhood see

1664
01:19:21,480 --> 01:19:24,300
it they automatically no I'm illegal so

1665
01:19:24,300 --> 01:19:27,239
it's easy to enforce and then we can at

1666
01:19:27,239 --> 01:19:30,060
the same time enforce those that we have

1667
01:19:30,060 --> 01:19:31,800
to do the paperwork and find the Paper

1668
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:33,719
Trails

1669
01:19:33,719 --> 01:19:35,460
but I also think that we have a

1670
01:19:35,460 --> 01:19:38,520
responsibility to encourage businesses

1671
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:41,400
to open up here in the city and I think

1672
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:43,679
that if if someone is

1673
01:19:43,679 --> 01:19:46,140
opening a legal business in the city and

1674
01:19:46,140 --> 01:19:47,820
coming to the mayor's point is playing

1675
01:19:47,820 --> 01:19:50,420
by the rules and I think that you know

1676
01:19:50,420 --> 01:19:53,100
that's that that's fine and if someone

1677
01:19:53,100 --> 01:19:56,040
plans with opening up a business and is

1678
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:57,840
going to play better almost follow the

1679
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,420
uh the things that are set in place for

1680
01:20:00,420 --> 01:20:03,120
them then I'm really not want to do

1681
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:04,620
anything to discourage anyone from

1682
01:20:04,620 --> 01:20:06,360
opening a business here as long as

1683
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:08,040
they're doing the right thing so I don't

1684
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:10,080
think that I just think that being

1685
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:11,880
something what I'm hearing it just seems

1686
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:12,719
like

1687
01:20:12,719 --> 01:20:15,480
there's things that we have to to likely

1688
01:20:15,480 --> 01:20:17,820
address some of the smoke shops that are

1689
01:20:17,820 --> 01:20:20,159
existing whether they're legal

1690
01:20:20,159 --> 01:20:23,400
um especially if they're illegal you

1691
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:25,679
know I think that first

1692
01:20:25,679 --> 01:20:28,260
um before we see you know move into

1693
01:20:28,260 --> 01:20:31,380
something that is uh to a Corporation

1694
01:20:31,380 --> 01:20:33,179
Council floor I believe it was it was

1695
01:20:33,179 --> 01:20:35,840
drastic or I guess

1696
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:38,340
what was all considers it's an address

1697
01:20:38,340 --> 01:20:41,520
around it it's a drastic remedy yeah I

1698
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:43,739
think that we should probably avoid that

1699
01:20:43,739 --> 01:20:45,480
let's start where we're at now before we

1700
01:20:45,480 --> 01:20:47,760
get to a Jurassic tournament

1701
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:51,420
yes Mr Turner um so even Mr wooden motiv

1702
01:20:51,420 --> 01:20:53,159
Aaron just stated that it is

1703
01:20:53,159 --> 01:20:55,320
a problem and it's struggling here in

1704
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:59,100
the city so this is just a pause

1705
01:20:59,100 --> 01:21:00,960
three months six months with the six

1706
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:03,300
months on it just to see I mean how many

1707
01:21:03,300 --> 01:21:05,159
more do you want

1708
01:21:05,159 --> 01:21:08,280
um on Van Rankin Avenue I mean just for

1709
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:10,199
instance and would you be opposed to

1710
01:21:10,199 --> 01:21:13,320
five more smoke shops opening there I

1711
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:15,780
want every business in the city to

1712
01:21:15,780 --> 01:21:18,060
succeed I want small businesses large

1713
01:21:18,060 --> 01:21:20,460
businesses that's what we need to keep

1714
01:21:20,460 --> 01:21:22,500
our city together as it is and moving

1715
01:21:22,500 --> 01:21:24,900
forward and that's a good thing but this

1716
01:21:24,900 --> 01:21:28,020
is a problem of vaping

1717
01:21:28,020 --> 01:21:31,380
where children have access to it

1718
01:21:31,380 --> 01:21:33,540
children see it I mean I'm just saying

1719
01:21:33,540 --> 01:21:36,480
this is a pause I couldn't whether it's

1720
01:21:36,480 --> 01:21:39,659
overreactive or not it's a pause it's a

1721
01:21:39,659 --> 01:21:42,360
small pause so that us as a council can

1722
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:44,040
get together

1723
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:46,020
and decide what we'd like to see moving

1724
01:21:46,020 --> 01:21:49,320
forward and again I think Governor

1725
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:52,440
Colville said 50 there's 1500

1726
01:21:52,440 --> 01:21:53,060
um

1727
01:21:53,060 --> 01:21:56,219
unlicensed smoke shop and big shop big

1728
01:21:56,219 --> 01:21:57,960
shops in New York City I think it's a

1729
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:00,480
lot bigger than you but still without a

1730
01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:03,719
moratorium this then we can see who's

1731
01:22:03,719 --> 01:22:06,000
opening up close them down right now and

1732
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:09,840
give the businesses who do everything

1733
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,900
legally and open up their shops

1734
01:22:12,900 --> 01:22:16,140
the chance to stay open and succeed

1735
01:22:16,140 --> 01:22:19,260
versus an illegal shop Two Doors Down

1736
01:22:19,260 --> 01:22:21,239
I'm always taking business away from

1737
01:22:21,239 --> 01:22:24,910
that right

1738
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:27,659
it takes some months for a business to

1739
01:22:27,659 --> 01:22:30,300
open anyway so if they go through the

1740
01:22:30,300 --> 01:22:32,820
legal process it's going to be a few

1741
01:22:32,820 --> 01:22:35,520
months before they open if there's

1742
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:37,260
somebody already in the hopper we could

1743
01:22:37,260 --> 01:22:41,179
address that and let them open up and be

1744
01:22:41,179 --> 01:22:45,000
excluded from the moratorium but if we

1745
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:46,860
have the six-month moratorium we finish

1746
01:22:46,860 --> 01:22:49,760
in four months we can say it's done

1747
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:53,280
anybody wants during that time it would

1748
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:55,320
probably take that long for a new

1749
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:57,300
business to open anywhere so we're not

1750
01:22:57,300 --> 01:22:59,699
going to impact people who want to do

1751
01:22:59,699 --> 01:23:02,600
the right thing and do things legally so

1752
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:05,699
that process does take poop and that

1753
01:23:05,699 --> 01:23:09,300
moratorium wouldn't really impact those people

1754
01:23:09,300 --> 01:23:11,940
well um just to be clear though if if

1755
01:23:11,940 --> 01:23:13,980
we're having a moratorium then people of

1756
01:23:13,980 --> 01:23:15,780
Mr morning cannot even put them in an

1757
01:23:15,780 --> 01:23:18,540
application is that correct uh that is

1758
01:23:18,540 --> 01:23:20,179
correct um

1759
01:23:20,179 --> 01:23:23,040
it's like ready to meet with the

1760
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:24,540
Planning Commission Now they already

1761
01:23:24,540 --> 01:23:26,760
have their application in that's what

1762
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:27,900
I'm talking about I'm not talking about

1763
01:23:27,900 --> 01:23:30,420
new applications just to clarify because

1764
01:23:30,420 --> 01:23:33,080
I understand what you're saying

1765
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:36,659
most of the moratoria have a hardship

1766
01:23:36,659 --> 01:23:39,360
component to them

1767
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:42,780
included come to the council and apply

1768
01:23:42,780 --> 01:23:47,229
for the agency called variants

1769
01:23:47,239 --> 01:23:50,159
and anybody who's an acquired a vested

1770
01:23:50,159 --> 01:23:52,440
right to be used

1771
01:23:52,440 --> 01:23:54,360
to be able to to continue to pursue that

1772
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:56,520
use regardless of the moratorium that

1773
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:58,020
usually means that they start with

1774
01:23:58,020 --> 01:24:00,239
substantial construction and things

1775
01:24:00,239 --> 01:24:02,280
started substantially opening that

1776
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:03,560
business

1777
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:06,540
and there is one Cycle City that is in

1778
01:24:06,540 --> 01:24:10,750
that position

1779
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:13,320
so just for clarity

1780
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:14,460
um

1781
01:24:14,460 --> 01:24:16,920
to my fellow council members so what

1782
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:18,300
we're saying is that

1783
01:24:18,300 --> 01:24:20,820
Our concern is

1784
01:24:20,820 --> 01:24:24,060
illegal smoke shops are we concerned are

1785
01:24:24,060 --> 01:24:26,219
we saying that we don't want people to

1786
01:24:26,219 --> 01:24:28,260
open up legal smoke shops and even if

1787
01:24:28,260 --> 01:24:29,940
they follow the thing like I'm trying to

1788
01:24:29,940 --> 01:24:31,320
make sure that I understand what we're

1789
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:33,239
saying

1790
01:24:33,239 --> 01:24:35,300
like so you're saying that like

1791
01:24:35,300 --> 01:24:37,800
you're the issue that you're seeing is

1792
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:40,320
illegal smoke shops or the issues that

1793
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:48,790
you're seeing is legal smoke shops

1794
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:51,480
and we find out what we're doing I of

1795
01:24:51,480 --> 01:24:52,800
course we don't want anyone to open any

1796
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:56,280
legal business because that affects a

1797
01:24:56,280 --> 01:25:00,790
lot of different

1798
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:04,020
taxes Revenue things like that and we

1799
01:25:04,020 --> 01:25:05,540
don't want that happening in University

1800
01:25:05,540 --> 01:25:08,520
but I want to make sure that the smoke

1801
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:10,560
shops that are open are opening are

1802
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:13,500
doing it correctly legally and

1803
01:25:13,500 --> 01:25:14,640
you know

1804
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:18,290
and I want to know

1805
01:25:18,300 --> 01:25:22,750
so so all smoke shops

1806
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:25,280
it's

1807
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:27,659
all because you would work on the zoning

1808
01:25:27,659 --> 01:25:31,080
you make sure there's x amount per

1809
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:33,420
neighborhood or whatever per block like

1810
01:25:33,420 --> 01:25:36,600
we did with the the convenience stores

1811
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:39,420
so it's it's similar in nature to that

1812
01:25:39,420 --> 01:25:42,179
of yeah we want to address the illegal

1813
01:25:42,179 --> 01:25:44,460
ones but also

1814
01:25:44,460 --> 01:25:48,300
make it have a way to let people open up

1815
01:25:48,300 --> 01:25:50,880
legal shops in an appropriate manner

1816
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:53,100
that's good for the city and for the

1817
01:25:53,100 --> 01:25:56,990
neighborhood

1818
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:58,620
but I would say our opportunity to

1819
01:25:58,620 --> 01:26:00,659
preemptively address this was by opting

1820
01:26:00,659 --> 01:26:03,060
out which the council chose not to do so

1821
01:26:03,060 --> 01:26:05,100
at this current stable responding to a

1822
01:26:05,100 --> 01:26:07,139
different situation which is why I think

1823
01:26:07,139 --> 01:26:08,820
it's our responsibility to proceed with

1824
01:26:08,820 --> 01:26:11,760
a certain amount of caution

1825
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:14,420
different issue it is

1826
01:26:14,420 --> 01:26:17,219
and it is a definition because the

1827
01:26:17,219 --> 01:26:19,920
opting out was for that only was about

1828
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,500
cannabis and we really are trying to

1829
01:26:22,500 --> 01:26:25,739
talk about I think here at least on this

1830
01:26:25,739 --> 01:26:28,260
tutorials piece it's about the smoke

1831
01:26:28,260 --> 01:26:31,550
shops

1832
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:34,260
so um what I'm hearing the suggestion is

1833
01:26:34,260 --> 01:26:36,239
that we first of all look at this list

1834
01:26:36,239 --> 01:26:38,699
with giant which has 20 which may

1835
01:26:38,699 --> 01:26:41,400
probably be more and find out which of

1836
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:43,380
these actually based on what the mayor

1837
01:26:43,380 --> 01:26:45,360
is saying is actually even legal to be

1838
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:47,280
open in the first place

1839
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:49,440
um I'm guessing some aren't that could

1840
01:26:49,440 --> 01:26:51,719
be wrong but I'm guessing some aren't

1841
01:26:51,719 --> 01:26:55,620
and um and then to to look further in

1842
01:26:55,620 --> 01:26:57,420
terms of this is what I'm hearing a

1843
01:26:57,420 --> 01:26:59,520
little further in terms of whether or

1844
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:01,980
not we pursue the moratorium so

1845
01:27:01,980 --> 01:27:05,689
um is that the sense of what

1846
01:27:05,699 --> 01:27:07,080
um everyone feels right now because

1847
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:09,840
we've had a long discussion about this I

1848
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:11,880
think that'll send what you are in favor

1849
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:12,659
of

1850
01:27:12,659 --> 01:27:15,420
oh well I'm in favor of actually looking

1851
01:27:15,420 --> 01:27:17,699
because I see smoke shops hopping up all

1852
01:27:17,699 --> 01:27:19,679
over the place I do wonder if they've

1853
01:27:19,679 --> 01:27:21,659
gone through the process I'm thinking

1854
01:27:21,659 --> 01:27:23,280
most of them haven't so I'd like to see

1855
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:25,139
first first of all to see if the ones

1856
01:27:25,139 --> 01:27:26,880
that we have are even legal and do we

1857
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:28,380
start there by just shutting those down

1858
01:27:28,380 --> 01:27:31,860
and does that already like weed out oh

1859
01:27:31,860 --> 01:27:33,480
no pun intended

1860
01:27:33,480 --> 01:27:34,460
um

1861
01:27:34,460 --> 01:27:37,199
get rid of some of the ones um within

1862
01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:40,669
the neighborhoods so

1863
01:27:40,679 --> 01:27:43,080
um because you know in my discussion you

1864
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:44,580
know with Mr Barney and we had talked

1865
01:27:44,580 --> 01:27:46,080
about one more time he told me the pros

1866
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:50,209
and the cons of it so

1867
01:27:50,219 --> 01:27:52,260
uh at this point in time I think we

1868
01:27:52,260 --> 01:27:53,520
really I mean I'm not saying we

1869
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:55,320
shouldn't do it I'm wondering if we I

1870
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:57,300
would prefer that we go ahead and look

1871
01:27:57,300 --> 01:27:58,739
through these this list

1872
01:27:58,739 --> 01:28:01,820
oh it's in the January email that we got

1873
01:28:01,820 --> 01:28:06,060
way a while back uh and so he probably

1874
01:28:06,060 --> 01:28:07,580
needs to be updated

1875
01:28:07,580 --> 01:28:10,500
yeah and that's seven months ago so

1876
01:28:10,500 --> 01:28:12,000
there's probably a heck of a lot more

1877
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:14,520
that have opened right right and to go

1878
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:16,620
through and see which of those are

1879
01:28:16,620 --> 01:28:19,620
actually legally open we wouldn't I mean

1880
01:28:19,620 --> 01:28:21,300
that would be the that would be the you

1881
01:28:21,300 --> 01:28:22,320
know

1882
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:24,600
code enforcement and the mayor's staff

1883
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:28,430
doing that

1884
01:28:28,440 --> 01:28:30,500
and then we can certainly revisit this

1885
01:28:30,500 --> 01:28:47,709
in every three weeks not two

1886
01:28:47,719 --> 01:28:51,739
so this is actually

1887
01:28:51,739 --> 01:28:55,139
so what is your pleasure

1888
01:28:55,139 --> 01:28:57,179
I agree with that

1889
01:28:57,179 --> 01:29:02,209
we bring this back and in terms of

1890
01:29:02,219 --> 01:29:04,139
did you have a question I'm not sure how

1891
01:29:04,139 --> 01:29:06,000
much we can get done well I don't know

1892
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:08,520
in three weeks around looking at the in

1893
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:11,100
three weeks oh oh I'm starting to say

1894
01:29:11,100 --> 01:29:12,719
that give me a lot of them but me

1895
01:29:12,719 --> 01:29:15,649
speaking for someone else

1896
01:29:15,659 --> 01:29:19,860
oh so so I guess I'm unclear then with

1897
01:29:19,860 --> 01:29:22,380
respect to them does the council wish to

1898
01:29:22,380 --> 01:29:26,530
move forward more for him

1899
01:29:26,540 --> 01:29:28,739
what I'm seeing hearing is that people

1900
01:29:28,739 --> 01:29:30,000
want to see what the ones that we have

1901
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,520
are they legal illegal and then do we

1902
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:34,020
you know

1903
01:29:34,020 --> 01:29:36,120
um find out which one of those need to

1904
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:37,920
be shut down and does that is that as

1905
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:40,920
much of a problem as we think it is so

1906
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:43,800
um I'll clarify the moratorium and the

1907
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:46,620
zoning changes are not combat illegal

1908
01:29:46,620 --> 01:29:48,739
basis

1909
01:29:48,739 --> 01:29:51,420
it does not combat a legal use right

1910
01:29:51,420 --> 01:29:53,219
it's only legally only for coming up

1911
01:29:53,219 --> 01:29:57,239
with a path for lawful uses and new

1912
01:29:57,239 --> 01:29:58,920
businesses moving forward so I wouldn't

1913
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:01,260
count on that as being a

1914
01:30:01,260 --> 01:30:03,560
um as being a way to combat any any

1915
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:06,000
businesses that have illegally opened

1916
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,340
that that's that's a separate advisement

1917
01:30:08,340 --> 01:30:09,420
issue

1918
01:30:09,420 --> 01:30:10,440
um

1919
01:30:10,440 --> 01:30:13,800
so I guess I'm clear uh than what the

1920
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:15,360
council will direct the Law Department

1921
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:17,280
to do

1922
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:18,239
um

1923
01:30:18,239 --> 01:30:21,239
I guess I would support the moratorium

1924
01:30:21,239 --> 01:30:23,760
and then at the same time just as Mr

1925
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:25,860
politan he said it gives this the time

1926
01:30:25,860 --> 01:30:28,560
to be doing what you're suggesting which

1927
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:30,900
is then the work around

1928
01:30:30,900 --> 01:30:32,820
you know the ones that are already open

1929
01:30:32,820 --> 01:30:35,520
and what's happening illegally at least

1930
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:37,460
it would prevent

1931
01:30:37,460 --> 01:30:40,679
illegal shops from opening

1932
01:30:40,679 --> 01:30:50,820
I mean well we would know that they were illegal well we haven't actually uh if

1933
01:30:50,820 --> 01:30:52,800
there was a moratorium in place I mean

1934
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:55,320
those illegal shops go to that apply to

1935
01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:57,320
be legal they would not be able to right

1936
01:30:57,320 --> 01:30:59,940
because it would be a moratorium so they

1937
01:30:59,940 --> 01:31:02,280
that would actually have the effect of I

1938
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:04,139
think require those businesses to shut

1939
01:31:04,139 --> 01:31:05,880
down until okay I thought you said that

1940
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:07,380
they could still move forward with

1941
01:31:07,380 --> 01:31:10,199
applying only lawfully open business or

1942
01:31:10,199 --> 01:31:12,179
those who have acquired a waffle vested

1943
01:31:12,179 --> 01:31:13,679
right if you've opened your business

1944
01:31:13,679 --> 01:31:15,360
illegally you do not have a right to

1945
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:16,620
continue it

1946
01:31:16,620 --> 01:31:18,840
under any circumstances and I think

1947
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:20,460
we're using interchangeable language

1948
01:31:20,460 --> 01:31:22,739
around legally and in compliance and I

1949
01:31:22,739 --> 01:31:24,420
think that if if there is a business

1950
01:31:24,420 --> 01:31:26,520
right now that's open that isn't in

1951
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:30,840
compliance and um our code enforcement

1952
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:32,219
goes out and says hey you're not

1953
01:31:32,219 --> 01:31:34,199
compliance and this is what you need to

1954
01:31:34,199 --> 01:31:36,840
do to come within compliance and operate

1955
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:40,380
as a legal smoke shop then uh a

1956
01:31:40,380 --> 01:31:43,020
monitorium doesn't allow for that to

1957
01:31:43,020 --> 01:31:44,520
happen it won't allow them to then

1958
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:49,390
remedy whatever uh

1959
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:52,679
is that correct yeah if you open them

1960
01:31:52,679 --> 01:31:55,139
awfully you're not you've not acquired a

1961
01:31:55,139 --> 01:31:56,520
right to continue that if there's a more

1962
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:58,440
important there are only a handful of

1963
01:31:58,440 --> 01:31:59,820
them that I am

1964
01:31:59,820 --> 01:32:01,920
to follow the correct procedures of

1965
01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:03,719
state is one of them

1966
01:32:03,719 --> 01:32:05,880
um and that there are a maybe two smoke

1967
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:08,340
shops that have gone through cycling you

1968
01:32:08,340 --> 01:32:10,620
can make them feel alive

1969
01:32:10,620 --> 01:32:13,860
zoning office looks for compliance you

1970
01:32:13,860 --> 01:32:17,159
know absolutely gross mitigating factors

1971
01:32:17,159 --> 01:32:19,739
or shut it down to me for some reason

1972
01:32:19,739 --> 01:32:21,620
you're looking to have people

1973
01:32:21,620 --> 01:32:24,060
get moved through the process through

1974
01:32:24,060 --> 01:32:27,000
the appropriate paperwork sometimes

1975
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:29,159
fees because they haven't done it right

1976
01:32:29,159 --> 01:32:32,659
then again we've looked for compliance

1977
01:32:32,659 --> 01:32:35,360
absence

1978
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:38,460
or just a negative outcome for the

1979
01:32:38,460 --> 01:32:41,280
business to be in existence still in

1980
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:43,139
there

1981
01:32:43,139 --> 01:32:44,699
which would actually speak to the

1982
01:32:44,699 --> 01:32:47,000
importance of a hardship

1983
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:52,510
component to the moratorium correct

1984
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:55,800
so that would also have to be determined

1985
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:57,659
whether we move forward tonight or not

1986
01:32:57,659 --> 01:32:59,699
or wait three weeks

1987
01:32:59,699 --> 01:33:02,340
bring this back to the table

1988
01:33:02,340 --> 01:33:03,840
all of that still would have to be

1989
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:05,639
determined correct decide what I'm

1990
01:33:05,639 --> 01:33:24,970
hearing well we would just leave a trap

1991
01:33:24,980 --> 01:33:27,420
we would also need clarification as to

1992
01:33:27,420 --> 01:33:28,920
whether or not this is going to include

1993
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:30,900
cannabis and smoke shops right I think

1994
01:33:30,900 --> 01:33:33,179
we've been conflating in the two right

1995
01:33:33,179 --> 01:33:36,600
they are similar uses but they are two

1996
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:38,460
separate uses and these types of things

1997
01:33:38,460 --> 01:33:41,480
we need to be specific yes

1998
01:33:41,480 --> 01:33:45,300
in the recommendation here of Mr Sarah

1999
01:33:45,300 --> 01:33:48,360
submitted um it has the unregulated

2000
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:50,940
marijuana market and

2001
01:33:50,940 --> 01:33:55,020
so I think that can push us into kind of space that

2002
01:33:55,020 --> 01:33:56,460
we start to complete the two because

2003
01:33:56,460 --> 01:33:58,380
this monitoring will be only on smoke

2004
01:33:58,380 --> 01:34:00,960
shops right that would be for the

2005
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:02,639
council to decide because those are

2006
01:34:02,639 --> 01:34:04,920
similar uses the Cannabis retail

2007
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:06,540
cannabis consumption and you're

2008
01:34:06,540 --> 01:34:08,880
contemplating zoning changes for all of

2009
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:14,770
those uses for tobacco smoke

2010
01:34:14,780 --> 01:34:18,600
in what submitted it says it says the

2011
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:20,699
unregulated marijuana Market poses a

2012
01:34:20,699 --> 01:34:21,900
health risk and doesn't contribute to

2013
01:34:21,900 --> 01:34:23,460
the tax base right and it's going to do

2014
01:34:23,460 --> 01:34:26,580
to hire a few crime so the final

2015
01:34:26,580 --> 01:34:28,460
recommendation

2016
01:34:28,460 --> 01:34:31,920
I'm sorry look at the last one

2017
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:34,139
does include the sale of marijuana and

2018
01:34:34,139 --> 01:34:35,300
marijuana

2019
01:34:35,300 --> 01:34:37,620
precisely what I'm saying that's what I

2020
01:34:37,620 --> 01:34:39,120
was bringing up earlier the final the

2021
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:40,620
final work they have clarification

2022
01:34:40,620 --> 01:34:42,659
around that the difference between a

2023
01:34:42,659 --> 01:34:44,880
cannabis dispensary and a smoke shop

2024
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:46,080
correct we're seeing the same thing

2025
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:50,090
actually yeah no I don't yeah

2026
01:34:50,100 --> 01:34:58,149
so I definitely going to need for it uh

2027
01:34:58,159 --> 01:35:01,260
okay yeah I don't think I heard what you

2028
01:35:01,260 --> 01:35:03,120
said I was saying that I don't I so I

2029
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:04,679
definitely wouldn't feel comfortable

2030
01:35:04,679 --> 01:35:08,159
moving forward uh with that until we

2031
01:35:08,159 --> 01:35:10,440
until we're able to really you know like

2032
01:35:10,440 --> 01:35:11,820
I wouldn't feel comfortable with that in

2033
01:35:11,820 --> 01:35:13,080
this language

2034
01:35:13,080 --> 01:35:16,440
I haven't got that just the language with them itself

2035
01:35:16,440 --> 01:35:19,679
is Dustin flavor too um not to say that

2036
01:35:19,679 --> 01:35:20,960
they're not connected and just to be

2037
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:24,300
extremely clear I I mean I think what

2038
01:35:24,300 --> 01:35:25,860
you're bringing forth here is valuable

2039
01:35:25,860 --> 01:35:27,659
and thus um it's a quality of life issue

2040
01:35:27,659 --> 01:35:29,460
for people to sit so I want to be clear

2041
01:35:29,460 --> 01:35:31,800
about that but I just but but I do

2042
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:33,840
believe that we need to be

2043
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:36,239
um the clear distinctions um and I don't

2044
01:35:36,239 --> 01:35:38,000
think that this does that nothing else

2045
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:40,460
you should have something else

2046
01:35:40,460 --> 01:35:44,040
well I think okay I think that what I'm

2047
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:47,100
hearing and I you know is that we would

2048
01:35:47,100 --> 01:35:49,139
have that clarification given to us in

2049
01:35:49,139 --> 01:35:51,659
three ways by the Law Department

2050
01:35:51,659 --> 01:35:54,540
of the language is that what I just

2051
01:35:54,540 --> 01:35:56,820
heard we would we would clarify the

2052
01:35:56,820 --> 01:35:58,860
language I would I would pull I mean

2053
01:35:58,860 --> 01:36:00,719
these types of ordinances we have access

2054
01:36:00,719 --> 01:36:02,820
to databases that tell us what needs to

2055
01:36:02,820 --> 01:36:04,800
be in them um so we would pull that

2056
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:07,380
together the Bethlehem ordinance is

2057
01:36:07,380 --> 01:36:09,540
professionally drafted that's probably

2058
01:36:09,540 --> 01:36:11,940
because I don't get to see that yeah

2059
01:36:11,940 --> 01:36:14,699
that's cool mini first off you can

2060
01:36:14,699 --> 01:36:16,380
decide that now if you don't want the

2061
01:36:16,380 --> 01:36:18,120
Cannabis shops in there you can take it

2062
01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:20,580
out moratorium and just make smoke shops

2063
01:36:20,580 --> 01:36:23,040
as far as the unregulated Cannabis

2064
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:26,840
they're illegal by definition anyway

2065
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:29,480
because that's

2066
01:36:29,480 --> 01:36:32,580
to the whole purpose of having legalized

2067
01:36:32,580 --> 01:36:35,580
Community shops right so if you're

2068
01:36:35,580 --> 01:36:38,880
opposed to Canada shops then that's

2069
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:40,320
something you can take out in the

2070
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:43,320
moratorium on smoke shops and that's

2071
01:36:43,320 --> 01:36:45,480
what we can decide so we don't need to

2072
01:36:45,480 --> 01:36:47,460
wait three weeks to decide that we can

2073
01:36:47,460 --> 01:36:50,719
decide that now presumably if

2074
01:36:50,719 --> 01:36:53,040
everybody's in favor of a smoke shop

2075
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:56,340
moratorium and moving forward then you

2076
01:36:56,340 --> 01:36:59,040
can tackle the zoning piece of the

2077
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:02,460
Cannabis shops I'm just going on what's

2078
01:37:02,460 --> 01:37:07,330
in front of me what was presented

2079
01:37:07,340 --> 01:37:09,840
you would you would grab something in

2080
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:11,400
three weeks we would look at it and then

2081
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:13,139
the software that's what we're saying no

2082
01:37:13,139 --> 01:37:14,280
I think we're saying that we could

2083
01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:15,840
actually just take the language out that

2084
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:17,639
we're not agreeing with right now here

2085
01:37:17,639 --> 01:37:19,139
tonight we'll take the linkage out and

2086
01:37:19,139 --> 01:37:21,060
then adapt this just minus that language

2087
01:37:21,060 --> 01:37:22,760
is what you're saying

2088
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:25,199
go ahead and listen I would say just

2089
01:37:25,199 --> 01:37:26,940
give us Direction and we would draft

2090
01:37:26,940 --> 01:37:29,760
something that you would then review I'm

2091
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:32,820
happy to do that so we're not saying

2092
01:37:32,820 --> 01:37:34,380
we're just going to sit here mark this

2093
01:37:34,380 --> 01:37:36,120
up and then move it forward that's not

2094
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:38,880
what we're saying but Mr Martin were you

2095
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:40,199
saying that you would wrap this up and

2096
01:37:40,199 --> 01:37:41,820
then have it to us so we can move on

2097
01:37:41,820 --> 01:37:43,860
this on Monday if we're in agreement is

2098
01:37:43,860 --> 01:37:45,120
that what you're saying we could put

2099
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:48,890
this together

2100
01:37:48,900 --> 01:37:57,050
instead

2101
01:37:57,060 --> 01:37:58,739
well we can't vote on because we're not

2102
01:37:58,739 --> 01:38:00,239
seeing but we just can't go through a

2103
01:38:00,239 --> 01:38:01,199
piece of legislation that we're not

2104
01:38:01,199 --> 01:38:02,400
seeing

2105
01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:04,440
we'd have to wait to see it to make that

2106
01:38:04,440 --> 01:38:06,830
decision

2107
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:09,179
well you couldn't move it and do it and

2108
01:38:09,179 --> 01:38:11,280
if something's you know just call it

2109
01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:13,739
from the agenda or whatever I mean we do

2110
01:38:13,739 --> 01:38:18,649
that pretty regularly

2111
01:38:18,659 --> 01:38:21,360
what's that or we just have the

2112
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:28,270
discussion on Monday I mean yeah

2113
01:38:28,280 --> 01:38:30,840
the consideration is that we would have

2114
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:33,600
a little apartment put together a piece

2115
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:35,699
of legislation that we could all look at

2116
01:38:35,699 --> 01:38:38,400
and agree on come

2117
01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:41,580
before it come earlier Monday seven so 6

2118
01:38:41,580 --> 01:38:43,800
30 to take a look and make sure that

2119
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:46,260
we're all comfortable with it and um

2120
01:38:46,260 --> 01:38:49,080
what's that that's a good idea

2121
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:52,320
um or lipin or let them drafted and then

2122
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:53,880
we look at in two weeks those are the

2123
01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:55,860
two things that are being considered at

2124
01:38:55,860 --> 01:39:13,490
this moment

2125
01:39:13,500 --> 01:39:36,830
so

2126
01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:38,520
all right so folks so we do are we

2127
01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:39,960
holding are we waited for three weeks

2128
01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:42,179
for this are we are we waiting until

2129
01:39:42,179 --> 01:39:44,340
Monday to look at it I'm happy to go on

2130
01:39:44,340 --> 01:39:47,280
Monday take the Verge out I think I'm a

2131
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:50,100
little bit look at what we see and we'll

2132
01:39:50,100 --> 01:39:51,920
go on Monday

2133
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:54,420
I'd like to just make sure again that

2134
01:39:54,420 --> 01:39:55,860
you're considering the things that you

2135
01:39:55,860 --> 01:39:57,179
know the concerns that I brought forth

2136
01:39:57,179 --> 01:39:58,199
around

2137
01:39:58,199 --> 01:40:00,300
um unintended consequences and

2138
01:40:00,300 --> 01:40:01,800
disprofessionally impacting among

2139
01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:03,420
certain communities

2140
01:40:03,420 --> 01:40:06,970
even with this

2141
01:40:06,980 --> 01:40:09,780
so I don't know if you can do that by

2142
01:40:09,780 --> 01:40:12,970
Monday then

2143
01:40:12,980 --> 01:40:24,590
I'd be happy to put anything that uh

2144
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:26,699
I would say similar to Mr Farley or the

2145
01:40:26,699 --> 01:40:29,280
gaming plants present on Monday

2146
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:30,360
so

2147
01:40:30,360 --> 01:40:31,440
logistically we would have to meet

2148
01:40:31,440 --> 01:40:32,820
earlier on Monday we'd have to meet that

2149
01:40:32,820 --> 01:40:34,440
you would send it out before that right

2150
01:40:34,440 --> 01:40:36,900
and then we would have to um we could

2151
01:40:36,900 --> 01:40:39,120
recess this and then we can be and then

2152
01:40:39,120 --> 01:40:42,480
vote it out after having looked at it if

2153
01:40:42,480 --> 01:40:43,800
everyone was comfortable with the

2154
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:48,709
language

2155
01:40:48,719 --> 01:40:49,980
we still wouldn't need direction about

2156
01:40:49,980 --> 01:40:54,350
whether or not what uses are going to be

2157
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:56,940
mean right which actually seems to be

2158
01:40:56,940 --> 01:40:59,760
about cannabis shots so I would assume

2159
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:21,590
that okay

2160
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:24,430
oh

2161
01:41:24,440 --> 01:41:26,760
there's a

2162
01:41:26,760 --> 01:41:32,290
six pages

2163
01:41:32,300 --> 01:41:34,619
that's gonna get sent out to us anyways

2164
01:41:34,619 --> 01:41:35,520
right

2165
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:41,120
mm-hmm

2166
01:41:41,130 --> 01:41:43,380
[Music]

2167
01:41:43,380 --> 01:41:45,480
see this will be centered on the sale of

2168
01:41:45,480 --> 01:41:49,440
marijuana so I think that's if you take

2169
01:41:49,440 --> 01:41:51,300
that out there

2170
01:41:51,300 --> 01:41:52,580
correct

2171
01:41:52,580 --> 01:41:59,149
did bethlehemism

2172
01:41:59,159 --> 01:42:02,689
okay

2173
01:42:02,699 --> 01:42:08,330
um well

2174
01:42:08,340 --> 01:42:10,199
six pages I didn't realize it was six

2175
01:42:10,199 --> 01:42:11,460
stages long for some reason I just

2176
01:42:11,460 --> 01:42:15,960
thought it was one or two six pages so

2177
01:42:15,960 --> 01:42:18,900
through

2178
01:42:18,900 --> 01:42:20,639
yeah it is

2179
01:42:20,639 --> 01:42:22,560
um to be able to go through this and

2180
01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:23,820
then see what the law department has

2181
01:42:23,820 --> 01:42:25,860
before I can make I mean even decide

2182
01:42:25,860 --> 01:42:27,540
what part of this I would want to see in

2183
01:42:27,540 --> 01:42:29,639
there quite frankly

2184
01:42:29,639 --> 01:42:32,520
so or will you be agreement to meet on

2185
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:34,380
Monday and then

2186
01:42:34,380 --> 01:42:36,659
we do it all

2187
01:42:36,659 --> 01:42:38,100
does that still not give you enough

2188
01:42:38,100 --> 01:42:40,260
direction right it doesn't I don't think

2189
01:42:40,260 --> 01:42:42,780
it does unless there are I mean the

2190
01:42:42,780 --> 01:42:44,639
substantive changes I mean largely the

2191
01:42:44,639 --> 01:42:49,070
language in here is pretty

2192
01:42:49,080 --> 01:43:00,109
it's pretty standard okay

2193
01:43:00,119 --> 01:43:21,050
ours will be done by ordinance

2194
01:43:21,060 --> 01:43:22,920
well for me this was a discussion

2195
01:43:22,920 --> 01:43:24,659
whether we want to move forward I want

2196
01:43:24,659 --> 01:43:26,580
to to look at what's been presented with

2197
01:43:26,580 --> 01:43:28,679
us to see how we what we do on in terms

2198
01:43:28,679 --> 01:43:30,239
of it so that's where I am right now and

2199
01:43:30,239 --> 01:43:32,040
I will be willing to look through that

2200
01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:33,540
and and

2201
01:43:33,540 --> 01:43:37,560
just come back in three weeks that's unwilling to do that it's a lot

2202
01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:41,100
to to consider I don't want to rush into

2203
01:43:41,100 --> 01:43:43,739
it um I don't think hopefully that's not

2204
01:43:43,739 --> 01:43:45,360
going to be a major problem because I'm

2205
01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:46,920
on the same page with you we both wanted

2206
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:49,380
to um to see a moratorium I just want to

2207
01:43:49,380 --> 01:43:51,000
make sure

2208
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:54,480
um thank you yes that we're just taking

2209
01:43:54,480 --> 01:43:56,719
everything into consideration so

2210
01:43:56,719 --> 01:43:59,340
let's pass on Monday would be a

2211
01:43:59,340 --> 01:44:01,560
conference we'd have to have a house

2212
01:44:01,560 --> 01:44:04,080
look up again Chris public hearing if

2213
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:08,830
it's going to be honorable or ordinance

2214
01:44:08,840 --> 01:44:11,520
so we have to have Halls right now we

2215
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:12,780
have to call for a public hearing even

2216
01:44:12,780 --> 01:44:15,960
on this before we it is an ordinance so

2217
01:44:15,960 --> 01:44:17,340
we can call for the public hearing and

2218
01:44:17,340 --> 01:44:20,510
that would give us time okay

2219
01:44:20,520 --> 01:44:23,820
so again okay so we can call for public

2220
01:44:23,820 --> 01:44:25,500
hearing on that and then that will still

2221
01:44:25,500 --> 01:44:27,179
give us time to

2222
01:44:27,179 --> 01:44:28,560
um have the Law Department put together

2223
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:31,440
something all of us to take a look at it

2224
01:44:31,440 --> 01:44:33,540
and out in time for the public hearing

2225
01:44:33,540 --> 01:44:35,300
as well

2226
01:44:35,300 --> 01:44:38,520
all right is there anyone that objects

2227
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:42,000
to that moving forward in that way

2228
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:43,020
okay

2229
01:44:43,020 --> 01:44:45,900
so the next phase for the city's

2230
01:44:45,900 --> 01:44:48,300
development and planning committee

2231
01:44:48,300 --> 01:44:48,960
um

2232
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:50,820
then we need someone to make a motion to

2233
01:44:50,820 --> 01:44:53,400
call for public hearing to for possible

2234
01:44:53,400 --> 01:44:55,219
moratorium

2235
01:44:55,219 --> 01:44:59,520
all those in favor okay

2236
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:02,460
all right uh the next item on the agenda

2237
01:45:02,460 --> 01:45:05,060
is amending resolution

2238
01:45:05,060 --> 01:45:07,920
2023-136 endorsing the Schenectady

2239
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:10,679
University Ministries application uh do

2240
01:45:10,679 --> 01:45:11,940
you remember a couple weeks ago they

2241
01:45:11,940 --> 01:45:14,699
came to us and asked us to support their

2242
01:45:14,699 --> 01:45:16,159
applications in New York state

2243
01:45:16,159 --> 01:45:19,739
unfortunately the name of the grant that

2244
01:45:19,739 --> 01:45:22,139
they were asking for that was his they

2245
01:45:22,139 --> 01:45:26,219
put in the wrong Grant name so now we

2246
01:45:26,219 --> 01:45:28,199
just need to amend that language and put

2247
01:45:28,199 --> 01:45:31,440
in the correct Grant name so that when

2248
01:45:31,440 --> 01:45:34,020
it's being reviewed by the committee

2249
01:45:34,020 --> 01:45:36,840
that they make sure that we're sending

2250
01:45:36,840 --> 01:45:38,159
to support it the resolution that we're

2251
01:45:38,159 --> 01:45:40,380
setting supported is specifically for

2252
01:45:40,380 --> 01:45:43,910
that Grant

2253
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:47,040
does anyone have questions about that

2254
01:45:47,040 --> 01:45:52,609
so second second

2255
01:45:52,619 --> 01:45:54,119
okay

2256
01:45:54,119 --> 01:45:55,080
um

2257
01:45:55,080 --> 01:45:57,600
there's the last thing is to amend the

2258
01:45:57,600 --> 01:45:59,219
collective bargaining agreement with

2259
01:45:59,219 --> 01:46:03,659
abscme it's over 66 local 1037a says Mr

2260
01:46:03,659 --> 01:46:06,659
Holden but mayor will be taking care of

2261
01:46:06,659 --> 01:46:09,659
that and did you need that in the

2262
01:46:09,659 --> 01:46:12,659
executive session yes uh there may be

2263
01:46:12,659 --> 01:46:14,340
questions that would be raised in

2264
01:46:14,340 --> 01:46:15,719
Executives I'm sure it's going to be

2265
01:46:15,719 --> 01:46:18,179
appropriate I mean

2266
01:46:18,179 --> 01:46:20,340
okay Council

2267
01:46:20,340 --> 01:46:22,020
all right we've always wanted the

2268
01:46:22,020 --> 01:46:23,280
executive session though I didn't want

2269
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:24,960
to mention one other thing under City

2270
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:26,880
development planning I believe that all

2271
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:29,760
of you received the email regarding the

2272
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:31,320
speeding on Becker Street we're hearing

2273
01:46:31,320 --> 01:46:33,300
that over and over again this time there

2274
01:46:33,300 --> 01:46:35,040
was an accident and I guess maybe three

2275
01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:38,040
weeks ago a child was hit so I don't

2276
01:46:38,040 --> 01:46:40,020
know that we can remedy this

2277
01:46:40,020 --> 01:46:41,520
obviously we can't remember any history

2278
01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:42,900
equipment is what we would like to do

2279
01:46:42,900 --> 01:46:44,400
but

2280
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:47,219
um if I don't know what the measures are

2281
01:46:47,219 --> 01:46:48,119
but I think we need to take some

2282
01:46:48,119 --> 01:46:50,520
measures it's I know we talked about you

2283
01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:52,080
know the traffic study at seven and so

2284
01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:53,280
on but there's some clear indications

2285
01:46:53,280 --> 01:46:55,340
that we're having major problems about

2286
01:46:55,340 --> 01:46:57,360
speeding within the city especially

2287
01:46:57,360 --> 01:46:59,820
those stretches of road that had almost

2288
01:46:59,820 --> 01:47:02,699
no stop signs so I'm just wondering you

2289
01:47:02,699 --> 01:47:03,719
know let everyone know if you haven't

2290
01:47:03,719 --> 01:47:05,040
looked at your email to take a look at

2291
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:08,040
email there's a car in someone's house

2292
01:47:08,040 --> 01:47:10,260
so

2293
01:47:10,260 --> 01:47:12,600
we definitely need to you know address

2294
01:47:12,600 --> 01:47:14,340
it they've been coming from King's Road

2295
01:47:14,340 --> 01:47:15,960
and you know we're here and here we've

2296
01:47:15,960 --> 01:47:17,699
heard it all over and we've heard it in

2297
01:47:17,699 --> 01:47:19,739
the past but we really have to get a

2298
01:47:19,739 --> 01:47:21,840
handle on on what's going on here so

2299
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:23,880
just wanted to remind everyone to be

2300
01:47:23,880 --> 01:47:25,199
thinking about that and what we can do

2301
01:47:25,199 --> 01:47:26,760
about that

2302
01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:29,639
uh with that I will ask for emotions to

2303
01:47:29,639 --> 01:47:34,189
go to Executive sessions

2304
01:47:34,199 --> 01:47:37,380
an executive session and public will

2305
01:47:37,380 --> 01:47:39,060
have to leave

2306
01:47:39,060 --> 01:47:41,300
foreign