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May everyone here tonight to the special meeting for August 10th for the Plan of Commission.

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And at this time, I'm going to ask Ms. Kirby if she will please to call the roll.

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Ms. Iverson, Mr. McGee, Mr. Abbott, Mr. Haydra, Mr. Ledbetter, Mr. Whitaker, Chairman Bailey.

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If you did not get a copy of tonight's agenda, there should be some at the back of the auditorium.

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If you want to pick those up to follow along, at this time on my ask everyone to stay in it and I'll ask Mr. Abbott, if he will, the leaders in the pledge of allegiance.

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Before we get into our schedule hearings for tonight,

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We do all our citizens in opportunity to speak to the Commission on any item that is not

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on tonight's agenda, if you want to make comments on anything that is on tonight's agenda.

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We do ask that you wait until we're discussing that case before you make those comments.

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So at this time, I'm going to open up citizens' time.

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Anyone who wants to speak and come forward, I've got one card here from Mr. Terry.

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If he wants to come forward, see

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in the auditorium,

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you can pardon me.

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You can come fly, I'm so I couldn't understand.

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Oh, if it's only a gender, no, just wait, I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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Anyone who wants to speak or want anything that's not only a gender for tonight?

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If not, I'm going to close Susan's time, and we're going to move on into our cases for tonight.

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We have one case tonight that the Commission will be taking action on, and then we have

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two other cases that we're going to have for informational purposes.

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One would be the conference to plan up date and the other is the solar policy.

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We will allow some citizens to come in on that, but the official vote on that will not

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be until our regular meeting, which would be next Thursday, to 17.

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So, having said that the one case that we do have, that we're going to have action on tonight.

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I'll turn it over to Mr. Pompeii if you would please for the presentation.

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Thank you, Mr. Bailey.

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So, the first public hearing for tonight is a specific case related to an amendment to the current 2018 Comprehensive Plan.

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The Hanover County Board of Supervisors has submitted a request to amend the Comprehensive Plan

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at a new school complex in eastern Hanover along the U.S. Route 360 corridor. This particular

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proposal would locate the schools within the Henry district. Here is a map of the properties

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that the county's under contract to purchase where the proposed schools will be located,

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a proposed middle school, and a proposed high school to replace Bel Creek middle school in

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mechanicsville High. The properties stretch from U.S. Route 360 mechanics will turnpike north

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to pole green road at its intersection with Williamsville Road.

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This is just east, almost a mile east of Walnut Grove Road

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and the Route 360 intersection.

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The particular map was a zoning map

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and if this amendment is approved,

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this is what the conference of plan would look like.

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The community facilities plan

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in particular, the schools and libraries plan

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shows existing libraries and existing school.

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That map would be amended to show two proposed schools,

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again, between Route 360 and pole green road,

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near its intersection with Williamsville Road.

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So, for a little background, the school board and the Board of Supervisors are working together to locate a site for a replacement for Bel Creek middle school,

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and mechanics full high school, those schools are aging and are slated to be replaced in the coming decades.

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After some consideration, they chose the site, which is several parcels again, between Route 360 and Pol Green Road.

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This would be the first step in all of the necessary land use approvals that the county would need to obtain before those schools are constructed,

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even the county and the school board need to go through these different processes.

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So the first step is to show on the companies of plan where generally where these facilities

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would be located, all public facilities need to be located on the comprehensive plan maps.

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In eight to ten years, the school board is a anticipated to pursue a conditional use permit,

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the properties are a zone day one, so they would need to go through that conditional use permit.

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At that time, there would be detailed plans and studies and actual engineering drawing

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for the planning commission and the Board of Supervisors to review.

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But this time it's just a high level concept.

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Hey, is this the right location for these schools?

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Once the conditional use permits approved,

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if it is, the project would go through the site plan

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approval process.

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Again, this is just to help the county do its due diligence.

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Has it resues purchasing this land?

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The conditional use permit process would not

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have them for eight to ten years in the school

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constructed after that.

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This is a potential site layout.

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Again, this is a concept.

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Once the conditional use permit is applied,

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they'll be detailed drawings.

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In the shows, how two schools could fill in the property with associated athletic fields

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and then an access road, stretching from pole green road, where it intersects with Williamsville Road, down to U.S. Route 360.

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There are a couple key issues that the county is investigating as it pursues purchase of this property.

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Transportation is a major issue. Again, these schools would not have direct access onto the Route 360 or pole green road.

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There would be an access road with the school entrances off that internal access road.

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To better understand the impacts, these schools could have on the surrounding area, a traffic impact analysis is completed at this time.

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Once the condition leaves permits applied for there also have to update that traffic study.

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But at this time, based on traffic volumes currently and with projected, there are some recommended improvements at each of the site entrances,

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as well some improvements recommended at the intersection of U.S. Route 3, 16, 1 at Grove Road.

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The county is already planning for those intersection improvements at Walnut Grove Road in US Route 360.

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They're included in the 10-year funding plant, the Board of Supervisors adopted in July.

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Another important piece of this is that these schools will be located just east of the boundary of the suburban service area where

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growth is anticipated and utilities are provided.

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Public water and sewer would be extended to these schools from the SSA.

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They likely be extended down US Route 360.

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But since these properties are outside of the SSA, no other properties be allowed to connect to these water and sewer extensions that would only be designed to serve the school.

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Historic resources, a phase one field survey was conducted.

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There are a couple of battlefield features located on the property and a cemetery that's associated with one of the historic homes.

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That's located on the parcels as well.

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The historical commission did review this case and there will be potential impacts as part of this construction.

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They want to be involved as the conditional use permit and school design continues and as a phase two study is conducted since these

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Features were found in the phase one study a more detailed study will be conducted to help design the site and determine how to mitigate negative impacts to any historic resources on the site

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Environment there are some streams and upon they're located within a adjacent to the site along with adjacent RPA areas the site

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the ideal or conceptual layout does acknowledge those different features.

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And the most surrounding area is rural residential uses.

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Again, it's outside the suburban service area,

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where there is more of our higher intensity development.

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A church is adjacent to the property along Pol Green Road.

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There are a few limited commercial uses along US Route 360,

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but again, most of the area includes residential uses.

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Community meeting was held on June 21.

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Some of the issues and concerns that participants

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shared was concerned with traffic, noise, light pollution, environmental impacts, perimeter buffers,

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and impacts to historic resources. Again, some of these more detailed questions, concerns,

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will be fleshed out in further details, part of the conditional use permit as a site is designed.

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Right now, we're just to determine, hey, is this generally inappropriate site for the schools?

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Based on that feedback staff recommends approval this request, and we do have a public hearing

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I'd be happy to answer any questions the Commission hasn't.

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All right, thank you.

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Since the county is the actual applicant, I'm sure you don't have anything else to add

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other than your presentation.

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So I'm going to open the public hearing at this point.

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Is anyone here who would like to speak in favor of this case, would you please raise your hand?

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Anyone here who is in opposition to the case, raise your hand?

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Seeing none of them will close the public hearing.

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Was it one?

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Well, I'm sorry, thank you, pardon.

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I missed it.

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Yes, sir.

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You're an opposition?

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You're an opposition to the case or in favor of the case?

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Neither.

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I'm kind of like a middle ground, so to speak.

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All right.

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I just got some rough guy.

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Let's say it away.

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You get five minutes, sir.

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Yeah, no problem.

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My name's Doug Terry.

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I own land west of your school side, about 75 feet west of there.

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My concern is, you know,

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Roof in development, I understand all that,

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and traffic's going to be y'all's main biggest concern

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on this thing I believe, from the general public.

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But my whole thing is on his own,

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it's doing it the service area, expand in that,

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and lead frog and over the top of the existing properties

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between the school and the current service area.

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You're going to put a water and sewer down through there,

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nobody can hook to. And to me that's, you know, you're doing it for the community and for the

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area, for the whole, uh, bottom of the whole county, but you're limiting who can actually use

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that sewer and water in that area. Um, you know, your whole sponsor hands at playing talks

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about, you know, uh, harmonious, uh, expansion, and continuous expansion. And then when you leave

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like that, that's not continuous. It talks about, you know, allows for the expansion for schools

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and stuff like that, but it talks about expanding the service area, not jumping over much

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properties. So my whole thing is, make it continuous, make it something that people in the community

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can use on your warden sewer and, you know, beware of that approach. But like I said, you know,

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I'm not in favor, I'm not in favor of against this thing.

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I'm in favor of it, I guess, as I were to speak,

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but I was just like to see it done,

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you know, really smart planning.

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You know, smart planning, you get good results out of it.

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You know, just like to see that happen, you know,

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you guys can talk about it and go your way,

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but in the end, that's kind of like,

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yes, thank you very much.

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Thank you, Mr. Terry.

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Anyone else

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want to make any comments in opposition to the case or in favor of the case?

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I don't want to miss anyone.

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Okay, I'm going to go ahead and close the public hearing.

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Mr. Pompeo, you might want to address some of his concerns on the SSA.

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The only thing I can comment on is that, how do the Haskell is outside of the SSA as well?

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Am I correct?

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Hand of High School is actually just inside the SSA, the opposite side of the SSA, but Paul Green Elementary School is outside of the SSA, Patrick Henry High School is outside the SSA, and while both of those schools are outside of the SSA, they do have public utilities providing service to them.

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the same as this would. And I don't think there are any plans right now to include

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to expand the SSA, but I mean, the school, if the cup is going to be in eight to ten years,

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it could be 10 or 15 years before the school is built. And by then, I mean, I'm not saying that it

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would be, but it could be that the board at that time wants to include more into the SSA. It's

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just that they don't want to expand the SSA. Am I correcting that? That's correct, if it was 15

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years out say there'd be three updates to our Congress of Plampton and now.

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So, any other comments concerning the SSA that Mr. Terry is referring to?

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No other comments, but again, the board is indicated that it won't allow connections between

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the school and other properties that are outside the SSA.

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Okay, thank you. All right, the public hearing is closed. I'll just make a couple of comments.

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the mechanical high school right now is about 82% capacity.

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Real often, I think all of us will hear comments on the schools that are at 100%.

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I don't think there are any schools that handle the county at 100%.

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The high school is about 82% and middle school right now is at 81%.

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But the driving factor, I think, in the kind of being interested in the life of a new school is those schools are so old.

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Mechanical high schools built in 1959, and Battlefield, I'm sorry, Bill Creek, middle schools built in 1969.

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So you're talking about old structures.

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It's a lot of money to try to, you know, for maintenance and upkeep. And it's still 10 years out before this school would come into fruition.

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So the main driving factor, I think it's going to be, you know, the age of the schools that they have right now.

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This is just one step as Mr. Pompey indicated that the county has to get approval on when they sign the contract with the Bolshef family.

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And there are certain steps that the county has to meet in order to honor the contract.

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And one of those is they've got to know that that way and can be included in the comprehensive

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plan that we can include in a amendment to accommodate that.

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And there are many other factors that come into play in a lot of other hurdles, I guess, that

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the county is going to have to contend with over the next 10 or 15 years.

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So having said that this is in my district, I would

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like to recommend approval of the comprehensive amendment

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on CBA-2023-00002.

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I would recommend approval and be afforded onto the board of Sympathias.

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Do I have a second?

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Second.

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Second from Mr. Hager, any other discussion?

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All in favor say aye.

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All opposed nay. Okay, motion carries.

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Okay, we're going to move on to the

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Comprehensive plan update

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and take citizen comments at the end that as well as I think Mr. Pompey is going to do this. I think

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Miss Hunter's going to do the solar and energy policy. So Mr. Pompey is all yours on the comp update.

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Yes, sir, so I'll give an overview of what the conference of plan update process has been as well as some of the proposed planning concepts and changes, so I'll start with that presentation before we have the public hearing.

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So the comprehensive plan is the long range guide for growth development and the investment of public infrastructure here in Hanover County.

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Every county and locality in Virginia is required to have a comprehensive plan and the code of Virginia requires that that plan be reviewed and updated every five years.

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Our current plan was adopted in February of 2018, so we're reaching that five-year mark.

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We started the planning process two years ago, and for those of you that are curious,

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our first comprehensive plan was in 1972, and we've been pretty diligent about updating

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that all of those five-year increments.

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The plan is called comprehensive because it addressed a wide variety of topics,

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land use, economic development, history and culture, a variety of different issues that are

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all unrelated to how we grow, develop, and invest in public infrastructure in the county.

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We started this project in October of 2021.

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Public outreach started in January of 2022 as we launched the website

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and began holding public events.

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Motor's 2022 was oriented towards general visioning,

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working with the community to identify strengths,

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weaknesses, and what their long-term vision for growth and development is

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here in Handover County that also included in-person meetings,

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virtual meetings, as well as a combination of surveys.

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As we moved into 2023, we began taking a deeper dive into those topic areas I showed in the

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difference screen. We spent January and February looking at land use, economic development,

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history and culture. And then we moved on to the other topic areas through July. Based on the

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feedback that we heard, we've developed a draft document which you all received as part of your packet.

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One thing that was a major focus of this planning effort was to try to get the word out as much

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possible about what this planning process is and try to get as much feedback as we could from

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the community.

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There have been 20 in-person meetings, which many of y'all have attended, over 4,000 comments

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were received, about 700 people attended one of the webinars or in-person meetings.

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We had three to 400 people respond to the online surveys that we had, we had two of those.

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We tried to reach out to the community through different social media platforms as well as

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the website.

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We also sent letters to property owners that are impacted by proposed changes that are significant to the general land use plan.

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We place signs out. We got about 100 calls based on those signs. We posted a different location where changes were proposed.

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The Planning Commission, the Board of Supervisors, have been actively involved in this project through different workshops and quarterly updates.

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And one thing that was new that I don't think we've done in previous planning efforts is we went out to different festivals and fair strawberry festival to made a festival train day to try to get more people involved in the effort we might not be involved.

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in different Plainy processes otherwise.

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Again, here are some of the different stakeholders and groups that we held with those different

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topic areas.

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We really relied on the expertise of some of our existing commissions, so the historical commission

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met a few times required, feedback, the economic development authority met a few times

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required feedback.

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And this process was guided by the community participation team, which you all were a part of

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as long as well as with citizen members.

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So again, we try to get feedback in different ways and through different platforms.

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Based on this 4,000 comments, plus comments that we received over that 2 year period, we identified

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some key themes.

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As you can imagine, with 4,000 comments, you get 4,000 different ideas.

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But again, some key themes emerge along the way.

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One of the top things that we heard through this process is many people want to preserve

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the real character along with that managed growth to make sure it occurs in appropriate

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locations.

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And there's also interesting providing different housing options, whether that be people

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I'm interested in making sure their kids could come home to an affordable and quality housing

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product, or some people said as a age they want to be able to move to a low maintenance

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option in their community.

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Community infrastructure, maintaining and enhancing the transportation network, and that wasn't

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just comments about improving roads, but providing more infrastructure for pedestrian bicycle

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mobility, maintaining the quality of our schools, providing more parks, particularly in the

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server and service area, and expanding broadband access.

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And then many comments really delay in use in the quality of development and where different

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types of uses should occur, one of the key themes that came through this concept and through

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recent zoning cases that you all reviewed is providing transitions, not only transitions

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between different use types, how do you address that interface between say residential and

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industrial uses, how do you transition from the suburban service area, which are designated

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growth area to the rural parts of the county.

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Again, with 4,000 comments, you get 4,000

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different ideas and it's a really tough job for you all. The Board of Supervisors and staff

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to try to balance all those different ideas and all that feedback we're receiving.

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The goals to have a compromise that reflects the overall vision of the community and all

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those different feedback and interest groups that we hear from.

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In terms of major planning concepts, one overall concept that helped guide decision-making

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through this process was updating our population forecast.

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In previous plans, we used annual growth rate of 1.5%.

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As far as this planning effort, we anticipate or a potential outcome could be 1% growth annually.

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That's how fast we grew between 2010 and 2020.

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So looking forward, as you looked at land use needs and facilities needs, we assume that 1%

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growth rate, which is slower than we have anticipated as part of previous planning efforts.

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Land use and growth management, one of the key concepts that Hanover County is used to control growth since 1982,

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has been the suburban service area where utilities are provided and growth is directed. As far

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this planning effort, the Board of Supervisors indicate they want to maintain the boundaries

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of the suburban service area as is. That makes up 22 percent of the county, those boundaries

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will not change with remaining 78 percent of the county designated as rural and agricultural.

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One major concept that's new is part of this planning effort of actually some previous plans,

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but not the most current one was providing a suburban transitional residential designation

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Along the edge of the suburban service area where possible, that's up to one and a half units per acre,

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whereas much of the suburban service area is one and a half to three units an acre.

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Again, providing a transition from the suburban parts to the county to the areas that are intended to remain rural.

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Continue the target distribution of residential growth, 70% in the SSA, 30% in the rural areas.

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We updated some of the names and descriptions of land use designations, and we've read a little bit more detailed guidance on the design of different uses.

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So with a different land use designation, there is a recommended mix of uses, how we address

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transportation access, landscaping, and buffering, building quality, and then transitions

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between different use types.

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One major component of the conference of plan that relates to land use is the general land

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use plan that indicates where different types of uses may be appropriate and what areas of

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the county may be appropriate for growth moving forward.

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That plan was updated based on land use vision workshops we held in July and August of

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2022 feedback from different staff experts and different departments regarding infrastructure,

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capacity, and economic development.

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Lessons we heard from recent zoning cases in the public feedback we received through those

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cases and I'm mapping exercise that looked at what existing conditions are in the county.

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We're possible we try to make the links as nations follow a clear boundary so they weren't

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so ambiguous.

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That's not the case in all places but we could do that.

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We try to make those changes.

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And then all the detailed changes that were significant are detailed in the staff report as well as the public notice that was in the case of local.

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Some new designations are on the map. Again, that suburban transitional designation along the edges of the suburban service area inside the suburban service area.

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In the 2018 plan commercial is commercial. It doesn't matter what the type is to help address neighborhood compatibility and compatibility with adjacent areas.

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we divided that commercial classification up to the three different categories, highway commercial

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which would be something you might see on Route 3, 16 year, at 295, the more intense commercial.

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And then other areas we have that neighborhood commercial designation which is lower intensity

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commercial that might be adjacent to residential uses. And then rural crossroads, these are historic

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communities where there might have been a store or something like that. Those are found in our rural areas,

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provide services to those living in the more rural parts of the county. A new designation,

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And I was also at his parks and conserved lands.

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That shows county owned parks, nationally owned battlefield parks,

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properties on our own conservation easement.

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It shows properties where there's already some sort of voluntary

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or ownership situation where those properties

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will never be developed.

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History and culture, the main change in addition

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in this particular chapter was adding specific guidance

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on how we address development when it occurs

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in our national register districts.

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we have three of those, Brown Grove, rural historic,

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district, Canaver County Courthouse, and Montpelier.

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There's also more guidance on how different historic features could be addressed

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as development occur.

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So, for example, there's a development site that has battlefield features.

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There's certain guidance on how development can occur on that property,

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while respecting those different features and preserving them for the future.

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Economic development, the main change we had here,

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was categorizing our different types of economic development zones.

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Since 2010, we've identified economic development zones,

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which is where we want to target those economic development efforts

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of the county pursues.

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In the previous plans, they're all treated the same no matter where they are.

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As part of this effort, we categorize them

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to different types based on existing conditions

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and what their needs are.

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So emerging employment hubs, those are green field sites

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that have the potential to really accommodate larger scale

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economic development projects.

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There is one new emerging employment hub that's located north of the town

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of Ashland.

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Establish employment hubs, these are areas where there's already existing

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businesses and there's not a lot of green field development potential but we want to support

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those existing businesses there to make sure that they remain viable.

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One example of that is the industrial airpark and then one new concept is having a renewal

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areas.

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These are areas where we can invest in streetscape improvements or other types of improvements

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to continue to make them attractive for businesses such as mechanics full village.

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Rule and agriculture, this is a new chapter as part of this draft update process and this

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This is on the 78% of the county that is intended to remain rural,

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strategy related to land preservation, residential development outside the suburban service area,

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how that development can occur and still be sensitive to those rural surrounding uses,

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and then fostering the local agricultural economy.

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One thing we hear through the outreach process is even people that live in the suburban area wanted

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to have that rural feel in their neighborhoods and their communities.

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So there's some strategies on how to incorporate rural elements into more intensity

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in residential developments within the suburban service area.

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Housing is a new chapter

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that's not in the 2018 plan based on feedback we receive from experts in the

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community participation team as well as the Board of Supervisors. They're

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stradged that really focus on how we invest in our existing housing stocks since we

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do have ageing housing stock here in the county, exploring density bonuses for workforce

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housing, perhaps using surplus county only and for affordable workforce housing

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that comes available, raising awareness affordability challenges that again

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continuing to invest or spurring investment within our established neighborhoods.

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Active living was a new chapter in 2018 based on the lessons learned since that chapter

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was introduced.

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We've made some changes to enhance it and make it a more usable part of our plan.

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There's more design guidance on how sidewalks and bikeways can be incorporated into residential

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and commercial development.

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Most of these recommendations relate to development within the suburban service area.

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Regional trail networks, the fall line trails coming online, how do we capitalize on

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that particular investment in our community.

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And then with the limited dollars we have for sidewalks,

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bikeways, the plan identifies priority areas

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where we want to invest those dollars

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so they have the biggest impact for the buck.

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Transportation, we looked at our functional classifications

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what different road types are classified as

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and there were a few changes related to that.

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One new concept was focus corridors.

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We have limited transportation dollars.

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So based on the analysis we conducted looking at,

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existing capacity and congestion issues,

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potential future capacity issues, as well as some different connections in the network.

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These focus corridors are ones that we want to monitor during the planning horizon and

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where we might want to prioritize transportation dollars as they become available.

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There's 27 road segments, designated focus corridors, most of those are in the suburban

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service area, but there are some rural segments that are designated as part of that focus

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corridor network as well.

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Concept roads have always been part of the plan since 1972 these are future roads that could be built as development occurs most of these roads

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Have any funding or plans associated with them to realize construction in the near term? So, for example,

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creating parkways on that particular map. It's been on the map since the 1990s and is still not

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been completely realized. But these are roads we want to think about as development occurs in certain

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areas and how we can make key connections to accommodate anticipated land uses. Updated typical sections

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on what the roads could look like but we want to plan for where it's growth occurs. And we also

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transportation, promoting interconnectivity, conducting more studies of those

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concepts, we better understand where they go and how they impact the

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transportation network, and then studying the possible interstate 95

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interchange north of the town of Ashland, that's something that's been in

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the plans since 1972, and this strategy helps move that forward in

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term and whether or not that's an appropriate infrastructure improvement.

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Environment, there are some gradually protecting and improving water quality, protecting titles,

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rivers and streams, working collaborative with the public and private entities for

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technological habitats, and minimizing light pollution, DEQ is looking at this draft plan

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right now and we anticipate some guidance from them and feedback from them.

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Resiliency is a new part of the environment chapter that focuses on hazard mitigation, how

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do prepare for potential hazards, how do we efficiently use resources, renewable energy,

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provide some guidance on how we address solar facilities and those types of things.

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And then historic and culturally sensitive communities, how do we consider the impacts

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to communities that might not have been involved in the public decision-making process as

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other communities have in the past.

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Community facilities, this chapter deals with all of the public infrastructure we have in the

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county and the major facilities that are intended to serve the existing and future population.

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So, based on the population forecast through 2045 that 1% anticipated growth rate, it

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implies needs as well as any potential facilities.

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One component of this chapter is to update our economic developments, strategic plan,

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parks and recreation, master plan, as well as the water and wastewater facilities plan.

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So, we take a deeper dive in each topic area and really understand and can move forward

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on how to provide the best infrastructure most efficiently to our community.

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One new chapter is implementation, so throughout the chapter we have all these different objectives

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and strategies that we want to pursue over the planning horizon, this implementation chapter

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identifies programs and different initiatives that could implement one or more of those strategies.

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So conducting small area plans, relaunching the citizens' planning academy, reviewing our

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subdivisions and zoning ordinances and seeing how they align with the plan, evaluating

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our proper policy and updating the parks and wreck master plan and other topical plans that

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These are all different examples of what's the implementation chapter that can help move all those different strategies forward.

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So the Board of Supervisors has held several workshops throughout the planning process and you all

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as the Planning Commission held a joint workshop with the Board of Supervisors on July 26.

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Based on discussion at that workshop, there are a couple of different outstanding issues

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that I just wanted to introduce in my presentation and we can discuss after the public hearing.

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There might be additional issues that come up during the public hearing.

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Again, these are three or sorry, five outstanding issues I'd want to introduce, they're also described in the staff report that warn some future discussion or further discussion and recommendations from the Planning Commission.

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Some of the feedback at the meeting talked about introductory language really clarifying what the role of the comprehensive plan is in terms of land use planning and capital improvement planning.

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There's some language and a staff report that could be added to the

445
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Interruptory chapter if the planning commission deems that appropriate to really clarify again

446
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,340
What is the role of the conference of plan as a planning commission in the Board of

447
00:33:57,340 --> 00:33:59,080
Society for people residents make decisions?

448
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,780
There are fair buffers. There was a lot of discussion about thoroughfair buffers throughout the planning process

449
00:34:05,780 --> 00:34:10,780
Many residents indicated that they'd like to have a more robust thoroughfair buffers

450
00:34:10,780 --> 00:34:14,400
So they can screen development from view and help maintain that rural character

451
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:20,220
There are some specific recommendations regarding the width of buffers and there were some concerns

452
00:34:20,220 --> 00:34:23,880
expressed by some members of the Planning Commission aboard regarding those recommended

453
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:24,920
widths.

454
00:34:25,220 --> 00:34:29,060
There are some sample language that could be a consideration for the Planning Commission in

455
00:34:29,060 --> 00:34:29,780
the staff report.

456
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,380
So some options we wanted to discuss and get feedback on are, do you want to keep the recommended

457
00:34:34,380 --> 00:34:37,500
width says is, do you want to change the recommended widths?

458
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,440
Do you want to take them out and have a more qualitative description of what the third

459
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,720
We have buffers are intended to do screen development with different types of design features

460
00:34:45,720 --> 00:34:46,700
that could be used.

461
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:51,300
Again, that's something that we want to guide and saw because there wasn't a lot of consistency

462
00:34:51,940 --> 00:34:54,600
on what was discussed at that joint workshop.

463
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:01,220
Transition between uses, as I mentioned, really major thing we heard throughout the planning

464
00:35:01,220 --> 00:35:05,560
process is how do you provide transition between different use types in between the rural

465
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,320
areas in suburban service areas.

466
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:13,880
There is some specific guidance in the draft plan on how transitions could occur where a residential

467
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:18,220
use or a lower intensity use about a higher intensity use in vice versa.

468
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:25,240
There were concerns in that particular document amongst the members present that maybe we

469
00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:27,640
don't need to have a specific width in there.

470
00:35:27,740 --> 00:35:32,520
We can just describe different features that could be part of effort to provide transition

471
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:33,580
for different use types.

472
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,800
So that's something we'd like some kind of so on as well.

473
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:43,020
Building materials and design, there's concern about the recommendations in the plan about building materials and design,

474
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:50,540
the relatively high level recommendations they don't provide requirements regarding particular styles,

475
00:35:50,740 --> 00:35:54,960
or anything like that, but there are some recommendations on building materials and different design features

476
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,740
that could be incorporated into different development types.

477
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:03,260
A lot of this comes from what was offered as part of previous rezoning cases and what other localities are doing in the region.

478
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:12,100
And then there are six areas in the general land use plan that have kind of stuck around in terms of differing feedback and opinions.

479
00:36:12,380 --> 00:36:16,580
The Board of Supervisors has discussed these twice and these were discussed with the joint workshop as well.

480
00:36:17,180 --> 00:36:24,680
Some of these areas include how what uses our appropriate intersection of Route 301 rule point road in Uashk Road.

481
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:32,140
Another area of discussion has been Metabirds Road, Shady Grove Road at Interstate 295.

482
00:36:32,140 --> 00:36:39,180
In the staff report, there's some a suggestion that maybe that southeast corner could be changed in the 2018 plan.

483
00:36:39,580 --> 00:36:41,600
It's recommended for multi-family development.

484
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,320
In the current draft of the Invision Hanover plan, it's recommended to suburban high.

485
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:53,380
Since that joint workshop, you all held there was a neighborhood meeting where the residents really seem to support neighbor who commercial at that southeast corner.

486
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:56,860
So that's a potential change we can consider that's in the Chicago Harmony District.

487
00:36:56,860 --> 00:37:02,600
Poll Green Road, there was a quest to have more highway commercial between 1995 and Bell Creek Road.

488
00:37:03,300 --> 00:37:06,460
That's in on the boundary of the Henry and the Kanksville district.

489
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:11,580
That issue was resolved based on the suggestion from a board member that we modify the description

490
00:37:11,580 --> 00:37:17,640
of the Employment Center designation to recognize that retail uses can be part of a master plan project.

491
00:37:18,140 --> 00:37:23,000
If it all is compatible with the surrounding uses in the Employment Center designation,

492
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:28,320
so that one has been addressed. U.S. Route 33 at Winschurch Road, State Route 54 at the Eastern

493
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,480
Town Limits, that's a transition area where there's been a discussion on what uses

494
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:36,280
maybe appropriate, and then new ash cake road at sliding hill road. There's an area between

495
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,980
the adjacent to the airport where there's been different opinions of what uses maybe appropriate

496
00:37:40,980 --> 00:37:41,700
there.

497
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,360
So again, those are just some of the issues that we heard of the joint workshop. We

498
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,760
wanted to get direction on as a move forward. In terms of next steps, the Planning Commission

499
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,820
public hearing will be held tonight. After the public hearing and discussion, you all may

500
00:37:56,820 --> 00:38:02,240
recommend approval of the draft plan is presented. You may recommend approval with revisions

501
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:06,880
and listening revisions you'd like staff to make, or you can defer a decision to the regular

502
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:11,860
meeting, which will be next week, August 17th. Once the Planning Commission makes a recommendation

503
00:38:11,860 --> 00:38:16,300
on the draft plan, it's forwarded to the Board of Supervisors who will also hold a public hearing,

504
00:38:16,820 --> 00:38:21,800
and their final decision would be the final plan that will be used over the next several years

505
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,280
into the next update, which would be in 2028.

506
00:38:28,020 --> 00:38:30,360
One thing I really want to mention, we talked about the public engagement.

507
00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:34,860
This has really been a team effort and collaboration amongst the citizens that have come

508
00:38:34,860 --> 00:38:35,580
to these meetings.

509
00:38:35,820 --> 00:38:37,040
The community participation team.

510
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,500
We want to thank them for all their efforts.

511
00:38:38,740 --> 00:38:42,000
You all were on the community participation team as well as six citizens.

512
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,920
The planning commission, the Board of Supervisors, multiple different departments have been

513
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,380
involved and really had some great ideas.

514
00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:52,060
So getting to this point has really been a team effort and has been really great to work with

515
00:38:52,060 --> 00:38:55,520
everyone in the solicitate discussion to get these different ideas, not everyone might agree

516
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,000
with the ideas or concepts in the draft plan, there's been a lot of great discussion

517
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,160
over the past two years. So I really appreciate y'all's help as well as the other citizen

518
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,740
members of the community participation team.

519
00:39:07,060 --> 00:39:11,020
So that's all from my presentation. I'd be happy to answer any questions right now or wait

520
00:39:11,020 --> 00:39:12,060
until after the public hearing.

521
00:39:14,340 --> 00:39:18,700
I think we'll wait till after the public hearing because some things may come up that

522
00:39:18,700 --> 00:39:22,300
commissioners have questions on as well at that time, but if everyone is okay with that.

523
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:29,060
Okay. Okay. How many people here tonight would like to speak on the comprehensive

524
00:39:29,060 --> 00:39:32,760
plan would you raise your hand? I don't have one.

525
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:45,140
All right.

526
00:39:50,020 --> 00:39:56,760
I see about 14 hands because of time constraints. We normally allow 15 minutes

527
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:02,660
or comments. If we do three minutes, we're going to go from 15 to 42 assume that there's

528
00:40:04,340 --> 00:40:12,840
So what we want to do is to allow each person up to three minutes, stage a name, the district

529
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:21,380
that you're in, try to limit your time to the three minutes, Mr. Hazel will keep track

530
00:40:21,380 --> 00:40:28,360
of time and when you have 30 seconds left to go in your presentation, he'll let you know

531
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,640
so you can try to wrap things up, is everyone okay with that?

532
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,220
That's almost tripling their mentality and normal haio.

533
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:40,260
So having said that, first speaker can come up, Mr. Nelson,

534
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,000
you want to come up first, stage a name, district,

535
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:46,560
and see what you come up with, sir.

536
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:49,400
Good evening, Chairman Bailey.

537
00:40:49,460 --> 00:40:51,300
Members of the Planning Commission, Mr. Hunter.

538
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:53,660
My comment, my name is Bob Nelson.

539
00:40:53,660 --> 00:40:55,160
I reside in the National District.

540
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,900
My comments tonight concern the parks and recreation section.

541
00:40:59,820 --> 00:41:02,240
I sent you a four-page critical review on Monday.

542
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,460
First, in that review, I stated that there were no strategies in the

543
00:41:06,460 --> 00:41:07,800
advantage and had an overdraft.

544
00:41:08,820 --> 00:41:09,800
I was dead wrong.

545
00:41:10,580 --> 00:41:12,120
There are strategies in the draft.

546
00:41:12,660 --> 00:41:16,420
I failed to properly check for them and apologize for that failure.

547
00:41:16,420 --> 00:41:26,860
Second, 2007 and 2018 Virginia Outdoor plans, and the 2010 Parks and Recreation Master Plan,

548
00:41:27,300 --> 00:41:34,380
all recommended a minimum of 10 acres per 1000 population for neighborhood, community,

549
00:41:34,780 --> 00:41:41,020
and district parks, three acres for neighborhood parks, three acres for community parks,

550
00:41:41,020 --> 00:41:43,420
and four acres for district parks.

551
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,780
The Envision Hanover Draft claims three acres is sufficient

552
00:41:48,220 --> 00:41:51,000
for neighborhood and community parks.

553
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:52,500
It's not.

554
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,580
Six acres is the recommended minimum.

555
00:41:56,820 --> 00:42:00,160
Using six acres for neighborhood and community parks,

556
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:07,860
doubles the recommended acreage in the draft from 345 to 690 in 2025.

557
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,960
Hanover is deficient in that category by over 650 acres.

558
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:21,700
Third, both the 2007 and 2018 Virginia Outdoor Plans contain a playground designation

559
00:42:21,700 --> 00:42:23,340
with no minimum acreage.

560
00:42:24,420 --> 00:42:28,700
This classification can be oriented to children or adults

561
00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:31,160
and may include passive recreation.

562
00:42:32,180 --> 00:42:33,420
Call it what you want.

563
00:42:33,420 --> 00:42:41,720
pocket, small or playground. This state designate state recognized park classification should

564
00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:47,400
be included in the Invision Handover Draft. Developing small public parks is vital to

565
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:52,640
preserving affordable housing and revitalizing handover's older established subdivisions.

566
00:42:53,800 --> 00:43:00,140
Fourth, the 2010 master plan recommends new neighborhood community, neighborhood community

567
00:43:00,140 --> 00:43:08,360
district parks. In 13 years, Hanover hasn't added any new parks or developed the two undeveloped

568
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:16,520
parks, winding Brook and Little River. The park plan hasn't been implemented. Park needs

569
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:23,600
haven't been addressed in the SSA, where 69% of Hanover's population is, thank you.

570
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:30,320
A basic comprehensive planning issue is infrastructure

571
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:37,340
advocacy and over needs an honest assessment of county parks and open space in my view

572
00:43:37,340 --> 00:43:44,740
it's lacking. The park and recreation section needs to be reviewed, revised, and rewritten.

573
00:43:45,740 --> 00:43:46,300
Thank you.

574
00:43:46,340 --> 00:43:47,940
Thank you, Mr. Nielsen.

575
00:43:48,620 --> 00:43:49,760
Okay, next speaker, please.

576
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,900
Good evening members of the Commission.

577
00:44:00,060 --> 00:44:03,300
My name is Patty Blan, and I reside in the beaver dam district.

578
00:44:04,340 --> 00:44:09,660
First I'd like to say that the draft plan has many aspects that have improved and are

579
00:44:09,660 --> 00:44:12,900
going in the right direction, and I'm thankful for that.

580
00:44:13,420 --> 00:44:18,280
But I'd like to address two items needing some change in the draft comprehensive plan.

581
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:25,800
A favor keeping the pre-red lined text for buffers and open space in the site design standards

582
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:32,200
with each zoning type. I think we need to keep a reasonably high bar that could be negotiated

583
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:38,940
due to challenging site conditions, but only during an application process. For instance,

584
00:44:39,100 --> 00:44:45,320
why not keep 20% open space in the suburban transitional residential instead of knocking it down

585
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:53,360
to 15? Or why not a 75 foot buffer instead of 50 feet in a transition area from multifamily residential

586
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:58,460
to lower density uses. We need unapologetic standards for site

587
00:44:58,460 --> 00:44:59,980
design or else our end.

588
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:07,440
Restoration for stronger aesthetic and environmental protections, just vaporizes under development pressure.

589
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:18,700
I will also speak to strategy R4J in the rural AG section, a strategy speaking to the possibility of establishing a rural support program position.

590
00:45:18,700 --> 00:45:25,560
Instead of the introductory phrasing, investigate the feasibility of creating a rural support

591
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:32,960
program position, which sounds very timid and tentative, I suggest perform a feasibility

592
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,500
study for a rural support position.

593
00:45:36,860 --> 00:45:41,220
We say we want Hanover County to be a great place to live, work, and play.

594
00:45:42,140 --> 00:45:46,400
We have to back it up with firm resolve and crystal clear language.

595
00:45:46,940 --> 00:45:47,600
Thank you.

596
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,120
Thank you, Ms. Boyam.

597
00:45:50,660 --> 00:45:51,480
Next speaker, please.

598
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,900
Hi, my name is Elizabeth Raffordy, and I am the Chikahomni district representative

599
00:46:02,740 --> 00:46:07,460
on the economic development authority here for the county, and I'm here to speak in

600
00:46:07,460 --> 00:46:11,580
support of the comprehensive plan update, and particularly the designations of the

601
00:46:11,580 --> 00:46:13,820
economic development zones that he outlined.

602
00:46:14,260 --> 00:46:19,700
We understand and respect the desire of the county to designate over 75% of the land

603
00:46:19,700 --> 00:46:24,500
area as rural and outside of the suburban service area, but we feel this gives stronger reason

604
00:46:24,500 --> 00:46:28,980
to better utilize the small portion of the county that is designated as economic development

605
00:46:28,980 --> 00:46:34,160
areas and hubs. This means more strategic and intentional focus on quality development

606
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:39,800
and projects, which bring higher wages, greater tax revenue, and decreased truck traffic.

607
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,940
And they're recently completed target industry analysis conducted by Virginia Tech sectors,

608
00:46:44,940 --> 00:46:51,300
such as biotech, data centers, and advanced manufacturers, advanced manufacturing, where identified

609
00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:53,420
as targets for which the county can attract.

610
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,740
These sectors would easily be able to establish and successfully operate in the economic

611
00:46:57,740 --> 00:47:00,180
development zones that the plan has identified.

612
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:05,040
In addition to identifying areas for future strategic development, we support language in the

613
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:09,360
plan that emphasizes the improved setbacks, buffers, and transitions, which will make

614
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,820
these types of strategic developments better fit within our community.

615
00:47:12,820 --> 00:47:20,900
We face significant expenses in the future from maintaining existing infrastructure as well as proposed capital investments in schools, parks and utilities.

616
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:30,740
By focusing on quality development in these specialized zones, the county can encourage the types of projects which will generate strong revenue to help address funding needs well into the future.

617
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:38,140
We're appreciative of county staff and all the work that you've done and we hope that you will support approval of the plan.

618
00:47:38,740 --> 00:47:39,160
Thank you.

619
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:40,060
Thank you.

620
00:47:45,470 --> 00:47:45,970
Next speaker.

621
00:47:47,370 --> 00:47:48,090
Yes, sir?

622
00:47:49,350 --> 00:47:49,710
Good evening.

623
00:47:49,830 --> 00:47:53,890
My name is Tim Merrell, I'm in the National District, and I am also a fellow planning

624
00:47:53,890 --> 00:47:54,350
commissioner.

625
00:47:55,090 --> 00:47:58,490
So I want to thank you all for your service and I understand the commitment required to

626
00:47:58,490 --> 00:48:01,910
see a comprehensive plan update through, and I've been impressed with what I've seen on the

627
00:48:01,910 --> 00:48:03,430
website and the meetings that I've attended.

628
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:04,750
So thank you for your service.

629
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:06,430
I appreciate your time on this project.

630
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:10,390
I would like to draw your attention to one section of the plan, however, that the town would

631
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:13,110
like you to reconsider, and I have four points to address.

632
00:48:13,110 --> 00:48:17,330
it's particularly relation to the Woodside Parallel Road proposal.

633
00:48:19,330 --> 00:48:23,630
The four points I'd like to make are one to reference the history of this area of Ashland.

634
00:48:24,110 --> 00:48:32,490
In 2007, the Hanover County thoroughfare plan did designate Woodside Lane as a major collector with a hundred foot setback

635
00:48:32,490 --> 00:48:37,330
right of way to access the plan development of the county further to the north of the town.

636
00:48:37,330 --> 00:48:45,450
Back down Woodside Lane was within the town boundaries and through a discussion with the town and the county and the state

637
00:48:45,450 --> 00:48:51,530
the border of the town was shifted inside to the east to the west side excuse me of Woodside Lane

638
00:48:52,670 --> 00:49:00,450
and understanding that the intention for that road was to be a major collector back in 2018.

639
00:49:00,450 --> 00:49:08,390
The change that came suddenly for my second point was while the town and the staff are

640
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:12,610
only recently engaging in the preliminary discussions about the county's plan to add

641
00:49:12,610 --> 00:49:18,970
this parallel road, it was surprising to see it appear as a major collector located just

642
00:49:18,970 --> 00:49:23,410
800 feet west of Woodside putting it within the town limits.

643
00:49:24,030 --> 00:49:28,510
Without really town awareness or participation or opportunity to discuss this change to the

644
00:49:28,510 --> 00:49:38,530
So it's understandable that perhaps this was done due to citizen input from the members of the communities that are adjacent to Woodside Lane.

645
00:49:39,090 --> 00:49:48,370
But the town would like an opportunity again to engage and have more of a longstanding discussion about this change and this proposed addition to this major collector.

646
00:49:48,370 --> 00:50:12,070
My third point is obviously related to traffic, and the proposed parallel road to Woodside Lane would obviously create another intersection on to Route 54 east of town, which is already encouraging some concerns from residents that I've heard as a planning commissioner about the potential for additional traffic and additional congestion, additional lights going up at Mount Herman Road, perhaps in this adding another one.

647
00:50:12,070 --> 00:50:18,950
to that section, you also may know about the diverging diamond approach that is going to occur on 54 over

648
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:24,610
on 95, which is going to add additional traffic changes to the area, and we just thought this was

649
00:50:24,610 --> 00:50:32,110
another added perhaps burden to the citizens with this collector parallel major road. The fourth point I want to

650
00:50:32,110 --> 00:50:38,690
make is about the proposal of this road to split Washington, Lacey Park. It's one of my favorite parks in the

651
00:50:38,690 --> 00:50:47,890
I ride my bike through that park regularly and this road would create a four lane major or two a road through that park and again

652
00:50:47,890 --> 00:50:53,290
I would like the commissioners to reconsider that so in conclusion, thank you again for your work

653
00:50:53,290 --> 00:51:01,130
I appreciate the delicacy and the sensitivity of producing a significant plan like this and my ask is

654
00:51:01,130 --> 00:51:07,170
of myself as a citizen and of my fellow planning commissioners for you to reconsider that part of the plan

655
00:51:07,170 --> 00:51:07,910
Now, thank you, much.

656
00:51:08,350 --> 00:51:08,910
Thank you, sir.

657
00:51:09,810 --> 00:51:11,050
I'll acknowledge to it.

658
00:51:11,150 --> 00:51:19,390
We've also got an email today, I think, from Amy, hey, I don't know if you know her or not,

659
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:25,590
who is on the Ashland Planning Commission who really sort of voiced the same concerns

660
00:51:25,590 --> 00:51:26,430
that you did.

661
00:51:26,810 --> 00:51:30,610
So I'll acknowledge, you know, we have gotten an email from her about that as well, but thank

662
00:51:30,610 --> 00:51:31,330
you for your comments.

663
00:51:31,850 --> 00:51:32,710
Next speaker, please.

664
00:51:33,970 --> 00:51:34,350
Yes, ma'am.

665
00:51:40,530 --> 00:51:40,890
Hi.

666
00:51:40,890 --> 00:51:43,270
Good evening, Chairman Bailey, members of the Commission.

667
00:51:43,490 --> 00:51:44,910
My name is Elizabeth Greenfield.

668
00:51:45,210 --> 00:51:47,390
I represent the Home Building Association of Richmond.

669
00:51:48,090 --> 00:51:52,750
We represent builders, developers, and a variety of industries

670
00:51:52,750 --> 00:51:55,210
that support home building and land development.

671
00:51:55,710 --> 00:51:57,690
I'd like to start by thanking you and the staff

672
00:51:57,690 --> 00:52:00,070
for all your hard work that's gone into this plan.

673
00:52:00,610 --> 00:52:03,270
And also thank you for the introduction of the housing chapter.

674
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:06,430
I'm not here to oppose support, but I'm here

675
00:52:06,430 --> 00:52:10,170
just to offer a couple of comments about some of the language

676
00:52:10,170 --> 00:52:16,330
the chapter and items to think forward or excuse me, think of as you continue discussion on buffers

677
00:52:16,330 --> 00:52:21,670
and move into the implementation phase. The housing chapter notes that housing costs have

678
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:25,910
continued to rise and that makes it difficult for some segments of the workforce to find housing

679
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:31,990
to meet their needs. The chapter also notes that there's been a 32% increase in the median home

680
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:39,130
value between 2020 and 2022. A lot of that is not in your control. We know that housing is expensive,

681
00:52:39,130 --> 00:52:45,770
interest rates are rising but land as at a premium and it's also at a minimum. This plan also

682
00:52:45,770 --> 00:52:51,930
notes that you are consuming more lots than you're putting back on the ground. We need to see

683
00:52:51,930 --> 00:52:56,890
more inventory on the ground to keep up with housing population and if we're going to be able to

684
00:52:56,890 --> 00:53:01,970
provide any affordable workforce housing, we're going to need to do that at densities that aren't at

685
00:53:01,970 --> 00:53:06,370
one and a half to three units per acre. That's how you're going to get a variety of housing at

686
00:53:06,370 --> 00:53:11,850
from price points, so we're concerned that we won't be able to deliver the housing that

687
00:53:11,850 --> 00:53:16,530
we've heard some of your residents come in on in the public engagement process about

688
00:53:16,530 --> 00:53:22,130
needing more affordable workforce housing with the wide buffers, with taking some of the

689
00:53:22,130 --> 00:53:27,230
suburban service area down from one and one-half units to three units down to just the one

690
00:53:27,230 --> 00:53:32,530
and a half units with all severe requiring mandatory water and sewer connections, and while we

691
00:53:32,530 --> 00:53:35,990
want to see quality design and quality built housing.

692
00:53:36,190 --> 00:53:39,470
Some of the design standards will also just increase that cost.

693
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:42,930
So again, I appreciate all the hard work that went into this.

694
00:53:43,090 --> 00:53:47,810
It cannot be easy balancing the thousands of comments that staff noted that were received.

695
00:53:48,430 --> 00:53:52,450
But as you move forward into the implementation phase, I would just ask that you keep in mind

696
00:53:52,450 --> 00:53:56,590
that we need to get more units on the ground and we need to do that in a way that there's

697
00:53:56,590 --> 00:53:59,890
a variety of price points that we're able to deliver.

698
00:54:00,390 --> 00:54:01,210
So thank you.

699
00:54:01,210 --> 00:54:02,610
Thank you,

700
00:54:04,970 --> 00:54:05,870
next speaker,

701
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:11,240
let's try it.

702
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:18,440
Good evening, Mr. Chair, members of the Planning Commission, my name's Larry Shire.

703
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:24,320
I've lived in Hanover County for over 30 years. I've developed in Hanover County for over 30 years.

704
00:54:27,010 --> 00:54:33,550
Mr. Pompeii in his opening statement said that the compound is a long range plan.

705
00:54:34,310 --> 00:54:41,970
It is not a policy, it is not an ordinance. I feel like the compound in some respects is over reaching

706
00:54:42,250 --> 00:54:48,870
It's confusing and it's contradictory to the ordinance, which is the rule.

707
00:54:51,140 --> 00:54:55,180
He also spoke of the rule character of Hanover County.

708
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:02,240
Well, 78% of Hanover County is rural, 78% check done.

709
00:55:02,340 --> 00:55:05,300
I don't know how much more you want for all to be.

710
00:55:05,300 --> 00:55:13,940
The implementation strategies on page five mentioned an implementation strategy is a policy.

711
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:24,640
I do not think that the complaint should be rated as a policy because on page 14 it says the land use plan is advisory.

712
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:30,440
There's contradiction right there in those two items right there.

713
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:34,540
You have tons of contradiction when it comes to buffers.

714
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,300
I don't know why buffers are in the comp plan.

715
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:45,640
You did have 100 foot buffers, now you have 50 foot buffers, and then you're taking buffers all the way around property that have a different use.

716
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:53,000
So, if you have an industrial use, there's a buffer on your property because you want to develop maybe townholds.

717
00:55:53,460 --> 00:55:57,920
Then there's agricultural behind you, then you have another buffer, then you have a thorough fair buffer.

718
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:03,960
The ordinance doesn't have those buffers, so again, confusing, contradictory to the ordinance.

719
00:56:04,780 --> 00:56:08,520
I don't think the buffer should be in the compound at all.

720
00:56:10,020 --> 00:56:17,760
When you speak to the building standards, I just want to make note that there's one or two things in there.

721
00:56:18,380 --> 00:56:22,960
One of them speaks to what you want high end.

722
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:30,760
I build high ed, you all know what I build, and I agree with that. That's great. That's what I build,

723
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:35,220
so it doesn't matter to me. I'm going to build brick. I'm going to build high ed properties.

724
00:56:36,420 --> 00:56:43,660
But on the other hand, it says, mix affordable and workhouse housing with market rate units

725
00:56:43,660 --> 00:56:49,640
and design exterior so that affordable housing and workforce are indistinguishable from other housing

726
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:58,040
types. It's impossible. It's impossible to do that unless there's some sort of subsidy from

727
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:03,180
the county and I have not seen any type of subsidy from the county. So again, I just

728
00:57:03,180 --> 00:57:11,220
wouldn't want to say that Hanover County is rural. You don't need orchards in communities

729
00:57:11,220 --> 00:57:15,960
where after a while they're not going to take care of it. I know you have one or two communities

730
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:21,440
that try to have that, and the buffer shouldn't be in there, and there's a lot of contradiction

731
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:22,000
within it.

732
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:22,940
Thank you so much.

733
00:57:23,060 --> 00:57:23,960
I appreciate your time.

734
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:25,060
Thank you, sir.

735
00:57:35,450 --> 00:57:37,310
Good evening, members of the Commission.

736
00:57:37,590 --> 00:57:40,530
I'm Carolyn Cook, and I live in Beaverdam, District.

737
00:57:41,650 --> 00:57:49,870
At your pleasure, I'm going to read an email that you all received from President of

738
00:57:49,870 --> 00:57:53,290
as well, Ms. Hunter, the Mr. Pompeo, you probably

739
00:57:53,290 --> 00:57:55,650
did not receive it, so for your benefit,

740
00:57:56,770 --> 00:57:58,810
and with your permission, I will read it.

741
00:57:59,050 --> 00:58:00,210
Planning Commission members,

742
00:58:00,770 --> 00:58:02,790
as a resident of the beaver dam of district,

743
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:05,430
I'm contacting you to voice opposition

744
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:09,370
to any expansion of industrial or commercial land

745
00:58:09,370 --> 00:58:12,990
in the county as a function of the new comprehensive plan.

746
00:58:13,470 --> 00:58:16,770
Certainly the explosion in housing, mixed use,

747
00:58:17,090 --> 00:58:19,590
and certainly overwhelming warehouse construction

748
00:58:19,590 --> 00:58:22,290
needs to be curved, not further encouraged.

749
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:26,110
The concept of an economic development zone between

750
00:58:26,110 --> 00:58:29,170
Ashland and Daweswell is unfathomable.

751
00:58:29,810 --> 00:58:32,210
Those of us who live here do so for a reason

752
00:58:32,210 --> 00:58:35,030
and don't want the part of the county north of Ashland

753
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:38,210
looking sadly like what is happening around

754
00:58:38,210 --> 00:58:39,590
and south of Ashland.

755
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:42,530
There is no infrastructure for anything like that

756
00:58:42,530 --> 00:58:43,790
in this part of the county.

757
00:58:44,310 --> 00:58:46,490
We need to be focusing on land preservation

758
00:58:46,490 --> 00:58:51,230
and lifestyle for the residents, not further rampant development.

759
00:58:52,130 --> 00:58:53,710
Thank you for your consideration.

760
00:58:54,110 --> 00:58:56,710
Please feel free to contact me at your convenience,

761
00:58:56,930 --> 00:58:57,770
and it is signed.

762
00:58:58,410 --> 00:59:01,550
Doug Boardman, Old Ridge Road, does well, Virginia.

763
00:59:02,450 --> 00:59:03,070
Thank you.

764
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:19,240
Good evening, Chairman.

765
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:21,500
And members of the Board, I'm Martha Wingfield,

766
00:59:21,500 --> 00:59:23,200
and I live in the Beaver Dam District.

767
00:59:24,580 --> 00:59:26,320
And I appreciate the many opportunities

768
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,320
that this process has given us citizens

769
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:35,240
to participate and give lots of feedback, you know, the varieties of venues, times, and events.

770
00:59:35,420 --> 00:59:39,940
It's been a really open and receptive process for citizens,

771
00:59:42,220 --> 00:59:42,960
you know, that I think this

772
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:50,780
is about my sixth complaint update and I only mentioned that because I've been pretty consistent

773
00:59:50,780 --> 00:59:56,380
almost all of over all those complaint updates about the message and I think that is reflected

774
00:59:56,380 --> 00:59:59,520
in this update, we want to maintain the role character.

775
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:09,560
That's what we, those of us that live in the rural area want to maintain the rural area. And I think our neighbors in the suburban service area want to do the same.

776
01:00:11,340 --> 01:00:19,800
And to achieve that, I support the design standards that are part of this complaint update. I think that will help make an insure that that happens.

777
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:31,740
They were determined when there is development what standards they should meet from buffers to all the other areas that are addressed in the design standards.

778
01:00:31,980 --> 01:00:45,680
So I think that's a good move. I also support the new land use designation suburban transitional residential, which will allow single family dwellings of up to 1.5 at the edge of the SSA next to the rural area.

779
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:50,860
because this will keep us having a hard edge of pretty dense development right up against

780
01:00:50,860 --> 01:00:51,760
foreign land.

781
01:00:53,580 --> 01:00:58,860
I also want to say that adding the rule ag chapter is a big step.

782
01:00:59,060 --> 01:01:01,800
We've gone from a paragraph to a chapter, so I think that's progress.

783
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:02,800
I appreciate that.

784
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:09,280
I want to certainly second what Mrs. Blan said about the need for a rule support program

785
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:09,800
position.

786
01:01:10,380 --> 01:01:11,880
I'd say you don't need to study it.

787
01:01:12,060 --> 01:01:12,540
We need it.

788
01:01:12,580 --> 01:01:13,880
I think most of us know that.

789
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,000
So I hope we will move in that direction.

790
01:01:17,180 --> 01:01:21,500
The last part that I want to bring up and that gives me the most concern is the chapter

791
01:01:21,500 --> 01:01:27,120
on transportation and all the roads that are in that chapter and all the focus areas and

792
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:28,660
all the changes that might bring.

793
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:35,040
I believe our transportation plans major goals should not be how do we get semi-tracked or

794
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:39,860
trailers off in 95 when it's backed up or how do we get interstate traffic off in 95.

795
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,320
You know, through back roads past the obstruction.

796
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:48,580
And I think it should be, how do we protect and preserve and enhance the communities in

797
01:01:48,580 --> 01:01:49,800
neighborhoods that exist?

798
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:55,180
And that's what I would ask that the transportation plan focus most on.

799
01:01:55,360 --> 01:02:01,700
As those of us that live here, how can it enhance our communities, how roads designed and

800
01:02:01,700 --> 01:02:08,760
improved or not, and how do we control traffic so it doesn't disrupt the rural neighborhoods?

801
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:13,300
I appreciate the opportunity to have comments, and again, I really appreciate the opportunities

802
01:02:13,300 --> 01:02:18,580
We've had to participate, I think you've set a standard for our neighbors and other communities

803
01:02:18,580 --> 01:02:20,960
to follow in terms of how to get citizen input.

804
01:02:21,180 --> 01:02:22,420
So thank you.

805
01:02:22,500 --> 01:02:23,940
Thank you, Mr. Wilson, we can feel.

806
01:02:24,460 --> 01:02:24,940
Next speaker.

807
01:02:36,410 --> 01:02:38,750
I'd even ladies and gentlemen of the Planning Commission.

808
01:02:39,110 --> 01:02:40,230
My name is Jesse Lenin.

809
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:41,930
I live in the Chicago State District.

810
01:02:43,130 --> 01:02:47,070
And I would just really would like to thank you all for the time and attention you've given

811
01:02:47,070 --> 01:02:47,870
to this.

812
01:02:47,870 --> 01:02:52,350
This is a pretty lengthy process to say the least with a lot of them moving parts.

813
01:02:53,490 --> 01:03:01,030
Just as a quick aside, something I've told my children, I heard it from someone else, is that we should all be very careful who we let in our head.

814
01:03:01,390 --> 01:03:04,970
No growth leads to stagnation, which ultimately leads to decline.

815
01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:07,430
It doesn't happen overnight, but it does happen.

816
01:03:09,050 --> 01:03:15,770
One thing that I did want to mention, which I was glad to hear someone from the Economic Development Commission,

817
01:03:15,770 --> 01:03:24,010
And our dimension was in page four under community character, I think it is community engagement.

818
01:03:24,370 --> 01:03:27,270
It mentions a comedy, high quality commercial.

819
01:03:27,950 --> 01:03:31,930
Seems like to me that word might be better used as in a courage.

820
01:03:33,030 --> 01:03:36,490
We do want to encourage commercial growth, I believe, in the county.

821
01:03:38,250 --> 01:03:44,550
I think the concern that I have is I think we're still kind of mixing up the advisory

822
01:03:44,550 --> 01:03:51,190
are aspirational components of the compound with the ordinance and to echo previous Mr.

823
01:03:51,350 --> 01:03:51,650
Shia.

824
01:03:52,290 --> 01:03:57,830
You know, when I look at things like community garden orchards and things to the sort,

825
01:03:57,930 --> 01:04:03,250
the buffers being in their shorter buildings versus really no mention of them at all,

826
01:04:03,870 --> 01:04:08,670
they do sort of belong more in the zoning ordinance, not so much in an aspirational or an

827
01:04:08,670 --> 01:04:09,770
advisory document.

828
01:04:10,710 --> 01:04:12,730
I have no problems with the being in the ordinance.

829
01:04:12,730 --> 01:04:24,110
It just seems like it's confusing to have them in both places, and confusion is obviously not a good thing for any locality to try and contend with.

830
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:40,340
I found it interesting that on page 17 the county referenced with strategy, lu.1d, financial responsibility to its citizens as a property owner of rental properties as well as a developer.

831
01:04:41,020 --> 01:04:47,120
I have to be financially responsible to my residents and in order to do that I have to make sure

832
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:53,220
that I have spent the money wisely to bring a quality product to the county by having

833
01:04:53,220 --> 01:04:58,340
these buffers in there, especially the very large ones, it's essentially a taking of the property.

834
01:04:58,780 --> 01:05:06,560
It devalues the land and it thereby decreases tax revenue and if I'm not mistaken, I think

835
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:10,060
the tax revenue of something that the county can certainly use.

836
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,100
I appreciate you taking a few moments to listen to my comments this evening.

837
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:14,460
Thank you.

838
01:05:14,540 --> 01:05:15,700
Thank you, Mr. Lowe.

839
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:17,400
Next week, please.

840
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:19,580
Yes, ma'am.

841
01:05:22,230 --> 01:05:22,710
Good evening.

842
01:05:22,950 --> 01:05:24,310
My name is Nancy Young.

843
01:05:24,350 --> 01:05:28,230
I live on Old Telegraph Road in the South Anadistric.

844
01:05:29,110 --> 01:05:35,650
And what I'm going to say may seem trifling, considering all of the all encompassing things that

845
01:05:35,650 --> 01:05:51,730
people have addressed tonight. But what I would like to point out is there's some very specific words that are listed in this plan. And while we all may have an understanding of what it means.

846
01:05:52,550 --> 01:06:02,830
Ten years from now there may be all new planning commissioners and all new supervisors and they'll look back at this and they'll go, oh let's do this.

847
01:06:02,830 --> 01:06:04,510
here's what I'm addressing.

848
01:06:05,030 --> 01:06:08,490
And I also would like to thank everybody for all of the input

849
01:06:08,490 --> 01:06:12,290
that we've been able to give you all for your hard work.

850
01:06:12,630 --> 01:06:13,850
I've been to a lot of meetings.

851
01:06:14,410 --> 01:06:17,290
I'm sure you're very familiar with my face and sick

852
01:06:17,290 --> 01:06:19,870
and tired of looking at it because you've seen me a lot

853
01:06:19,870 --> 01:06:21,750
in the past 12 years.

854
01:06:22,250 --> 01:06:25,290
But anyway, I'd like to address the active living section

855
01:06:25,290 --> 01:06:28,810
of the plan specifically concerning the pedestrian

856
01:06:28,810 --> 01:06:31,930
and cyclist alternatives along Route 1.

857
01:06:31,930 --> 01:06:39,830
On page 8 of the draft plan, it states, due to high traffic volumes along U.S. route

858
01:06:39,830 --> 01:06:46,870
one itself, it may be appropriate to provide alternative routes for pedestrians and cyclists

859
01:06:46,870 --> 01:06:55,630
along parallel routes with lower traffic volumes such as telegraph road and old telegraph road.

860
01:06:55,630 --> 01:07:05,330
On page 4 of the Envision Hanover Topical Area Outreach Part 2 feedback summary in April and May,

861
01:07:05,850 --> 01:07:13,770
it states, there seems to be general support for providing pedestrian bicycle mobility within the suburban service area.

862
01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:21,150
Support for pedestrian bicycle mobility was not unanimous as a few participants expressed concerns

863
01:07:21,150 --> 01:07:26,770
with more people walking or biking by their homes or on roadways near their homes.

864
01:07:27,730 --> 01:07:31,250
I was one of those that expressed concern about Old Telegraph Road,

865
01:07:31,630 --> 01:07:38,210
because the north end of the road that connects that did connect to Route 1 is now closed.

866
01:07:38,930 --> 01:07:46,690
The map shows the walking path should be developed touching on Old Telegraph Road,

867
01:07:46,750 --> 01:07:50,430
which I'm not really sure what that means, but at any rate.

868
01:07:50,430 --> 01:07:53,850
There are no destinations on old telegraph road.

869
01:07:55,090 --> 01:07:58,690
The road, there's nothing for anybody to see or do.

870
01:07:59,830 --> 01:08:03,550
There's a steep hill, it floods, every time it rains.

871
01:08:05,430 --> 01:08:12,910
I just would like to suggest that old telegraph road be removed from the language in that.

872
01:08:13,290 --> 01:08:19,690
And to backtrack a little bit on a side note, I built in 2004.

873
01:08:20,490 --> 01:08:29,190
I think we have been coming to planning commission meetings since 2007. I don't know, but I know,

874
01:08:29,590 --> 01:08:31,070
since 2011,

875
01:08:34,270 --> 01:08:38,870
this is the community of Old Telegraph Road starting in 2011.

876
01:08:40,430 --> 01:08:42,110
I'm sorry. That's okay. Go ahead.

877
01:08:42,630 --> 01:08:42,950
30 seconds.

878
01:08:43,510 --> 01:08:44,130
Oh, I'm sorry.

879
01:08:44,210 --> 01:08:44,330
Okay.

880
01:08:44,650 --> 01:08:50,070
We have addressed Lake Ridge Common Suppartments, the closing of Old Telegraph Road,

881
01:08:50,070 --> 01:08:53,830
the rezoning of Old Telegraph Road, the North End.

882
01:08:54,210 --> 01:08:56,990
Lake Ridge Sports Complex, the wigwam strip mall,

883
01:08:57,170 --> 01:08:59,370
and venues, stony run condominiums,

884
01:09:00,010 --> 01:09:02,650
wisteria park development, the Powell property

885
01:09:02,650 --> 01:09:06,210
developments of style craft homes, the strip mall

886
01:09:06,210 --> 01:09:08,510
on route one of the Hopkins property

887
01:09:08,510 --> 01:09:12,170
that corner sliding hill, the warehouse behind Marvin Lane

888
01:09:12,170 --> 01:09:16,570
and Witch and Capital Warehouse in its because of language

889
01:09:17,490 --> 01:09:21,910
that is in compliance or whatever.

890
01:09:22,810 --> 01:09:26,470
So thank you very much and thanks for hearing me out.

891
01:09:26,770 --> 01:09:30,150
Hopefully it sparks the thought.

892
01:09:30,650 --> 01:09:31,110
Thank you.

893
01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:32,730
Thank you, Ms. Young.

894
01:09:32,930 --> 01:09:33,470
Next speaker.

895
01:09:36,430 --> 01:09:36,990
Yes, sir.

896
01:09:42,150 --> 01:09:43,030
Jasper Lewis.

897
01:09:43,450 --> 01:09:44,990
And I live on called Road.

898
01:09:46,170 --> 01:09:50,810
And my concern is that just to give you a little history.

899
01:09:51,670 --> 01:09:58,670
Some years ago, there was a blanket of rezoning and that land on that road was his own commercial.

900
01:09:59,770 --> 01:10:03,190
And it destroyed a almost entire community.

901
01:10:04,130 --> 01:10:07,990
And it made it impossible for people to keep homes there.

902
01:10:09,050 --> 01:10:11,230
And businesses moved in.

903
01:10:11,230 --> 01:10:16,690
And it was easy for them to do because if they bought somebody's house, it was already his own.

904
01:10:17,690 --> 01:10:19,370
It was a blanket of rezoning.

905
01:10:19,370 --> 01:10:27,150
Nobody knew about it, the community, the people weren't told, and it just broke the community up just about.

906
01:10:28,570 --> 01:10:34,530
But there are some homes still there, and it's a provision I understand in this, that

907
01:10:35,130 --> 01:10:42,410
would like to leave the commercial profit, not commercial, but the agricultural property in that

908
01:10:42,410 --> 01:10:49,830
section agricultural. And if that happens, then it would make it easier for the people

909
01:10:49,830 --> 01:10:57,190
who live that now to be able to have a community, which has been there for years. And when I

910
01:10:57,190 --> 01:11:07,410
say years, it goes back to the 1800s or longer. So I'm for the grand thing.

911
01:11:07,410 --> 01:11:09,050
What road is that you're talking about, sir?

912
01:11:09,190 --> 01:11:10,290
Cops, road.

913
01:11:11,250 --> 01:11:12,550
Cops, Cops, road.

914
01:11:13,110 --> 01:11:14,350
Right, well, we're waiting.

915
01:11:14,990 --> 01:11:15,570
Right, yeah.

916
01:11:16,050 --> 01:11:19,170
Yeah, like I said, that was done back in the 70s.

917
01:11:20,450 --> 01:11:20,670
And it, you know,

918
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:23,730
all right, thank you, sir.

919
01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:24,290
Thank you.

920
01:11:24,410 --> 01:11:27,110
And you say, you're a favor of the plan, sir?

921
01:11:45,670 --> 01:11:45,930
You're welcome.

922
01:11:47,350 --> 01:11:48,450
Yeah, I'll see you.

923
01:11:56,940 --> 01:11:57,720
Yes, ma'am.

924
01:11:58,360 --> 01:11:59,120
You want to go next?

925
01:12:06,780 --> 01:12:08,940
I'm Hatsie, I'll say South Island District.

926
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:16,740
First of all, I want to address the old telegraph bike path against it.

927
01:12:16,740 --> 01:12:25,660
I drove through there today, there are banks with driveways that drop anywhere from 10 to 15 feet on the south end of telegraph.

928
01:12:26,340 --> 01:12:32,980
There is a flood flooding around the bridge which you'd have to go over to connect to your path.

929
01:12:32,980 --> 01:12:48,820
And there's also a horrible wet land right at the O'Keeaton and Telegraph area that water comes flooding down into the backyard of the ground the other side of it and it goes into my yard.

930
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:55,340
But anyway, I think it would be a big mistake to have an old telegraph of the part of the bike path.

931
01:12:55,340 --> 01:13:02,460
But tonight I have another subject, I want to address the traffic in the corridor between

932
01:13:02,460 --> 01:13:05,300
Ashland and Henrico County.

933
01:13:05,940 --> 01:13:13,520
I'm shocked at the fact of this list of focused corridors on the list of one accent here,

934
01:13:13,940 --> 01:13:21,380
and they don't consider it even near capacity or that it's entrance to key areas.

935
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:23,920
That is a horrible area.

936
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:30,000
And to make matters worse, every time somebody leaves my house, we tell them to be careful,

937
01:13:30,300 --> 01:13:30,580
pull it out.

938
01:13:30,660 --> 01:13:31,140
Be careful.

939
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:32,800
It's very dangerous, very dangerous.

940
01:13:33,660 --> 01:13:41,060
And things are keeping an ad, and the Rex, on 95, are continually causing the traffic

941
01:13:41,060 --> 01:13:48,200
to be stopped on Route 1, either direction it can happen and you can't get out and the guy

942
01:13:48,860 --> 01:13:50,580
can't drive on Route 1.

943
01:13:50,580 --> 01:13:56,600
I would like to mention, if you go to Ashton Residence, here's some of the comments.

944
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:02,440
95 backed up from Ashton, the Richmond again, lots of fire trucks and ambulances.

945
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:05,300
That's why Route 1 was a congested nightmail.

946
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:10,520
Route 1 is getting as bad as our 95, backed up through Ashton from Atley.

947
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:14,900
January 6, does anyone know what is going on on our 95 and Route 1?

948
01:14:15,180 --> 01:14:19,780
Took 45 minutes to get from Atley, Elmont, to Louis Town, so sad.

949
01:14:19,780 --> 01:14:27,120
These are comments and we live it every day and there's nothing in this plan to address this issue and tell

950
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:36,160
2000 and 45 and not only that we're going to be bombarded with, I'm sorry, I'm getting out of breath, I have heart

951
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:36,960
problem.

952
01:14:37,940 --> 01:14:41,580
We've been bombarded with performance food, had any problems.

953
01:14:41,580 --> 01:14:49,600
Okay, and and wagments had had it is a fact in us Virginia Center athletic event opens this month.

954
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:59,860
The hospital will be built a hundred and ninety apartments up on King Charlotte and you want employment center says it will be heavy truck and heavy traffic.

955
01:15:00,020 --> 01:15:07,340
And it just goes on and on, and there's nothing to address it. And that's my biggest complaint. Thank you.

956
01:15:11,850 --> 01:15:12,350
Next speaker.

957
01:15:23,460 --> 01:15:37,180
I good evening. My name is Harry Messina. I am an Ashland district and I didn't plan to speak, but I'm one of just to share some thoughts as a person who grew up here.

958
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:44,400
And it was raised here in Hanover in the study area and brought her family back here

959
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:49,700
nine years ago and is about to leave again because of all of this that we're talking about.

960
01:15:51,060 --> 01:15:57,360
So it's just really sad to me just to see that 700 people participated in this

961
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:01,480
and vision hand over plan, but we have a hundred and nine thousand people in our county.

962
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:08,860
So only 700 people were able to somehow get the news or attend or be able to leave their families

963
01:16:08,860 --> 01:16:17,140
in the evenings to go to the library to speak. I went to Atley High School with the brain storming

964
01:16:17,140 --> 01:16:21,780
session that was there originally. I did the survey online. I went to the Atley Library and spoke.

965
01:16:22,540 --> 01:16:26,060
I've shared multiple times about the need for a slow growth plan.

966
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:30,700
I do not feel like this plan is ready to be approved,

967
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:34,980
but yet I know that formality is going to happen,

968
01:16:35,660 --> 01:16:41,180
and so I'm just here to share that I think the pieces that are missing

969
01:16:41,180 --> 01:16:44,060
are having meetings per district.

970
01:16:44,300 --> 01:16:47,920
I would love to just have a focus on Ashland district.

971
01:16:48,300 --> 01:16:51,660
I'm sure the people of Cold Harbor would like to know exactly what they're

972
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:59,660
changes are going to be, and visualizations are very powerful, so having overlays as to what the

973
01:17:00,900 --> 01:17:06,720
area geographic area looks like now and what it will look like in five years, ten years.

974
01:17:07,300 --> 01:17:11,700
What does it look like? Because there's a lot of wordage, and for me, I'm not a planner,

975
01:17:12,700 --> 01:17:20,720
but I would love to be able to see visually what all of these things happening simultaneously are going to look like.

976
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:28,420
Also, just the Parks and Rec, as was spoken to, we have a lot of different groups that

977
01:17:28,420 --> 01:17:33,620
have tried to come and use our parks, use our school playgrounds, give our children alternatives,

978
01:17:34,020 --> 01:17:36,040
to screen time, and they've been denied.

979
01:17:36,180 --> 01:17:39,640
I've tried to get my son into I-9 sports at rule point at one point.

980
01:17:39,860 --> 01:17:40,720
They got denied.

981
01:17:41,460 --> 01:17:46,380
There's been, I know, an Ashland soccer group that's been trying to use poor form, park for

982
01:17:46,380 --> 01:17:48,560
their services, they get denied.

983
01:17:48,560 --> 01:18:01,920
We're sending all these people to Henrico for strikers and kickers and there's money there because people are eating in Henrico when they're taking their children to parks and wreck and athletics and other counties.

984
01:18:02,220 --> 01:18:15,520
So we really need to focus on our parks and wreck. I think there's a lot to be gained there. And also with the design and implementation, I don't think it just needs to be necessarily in the historically registered areas.

985
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:21,340
it needs to be around in the suburban transition areas as well.

986
01:18:22,420 --> 01:18:24,380
So local color is very important to Hanover.

987
01:18:24,740 --> 01:18:25,880
Thank you.

988
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:26,660
Thank you, man.

989
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:29,760
I think we have one more speaker.

990
01:18:41,940 --> 01:18:43,040
Good evening, Chairman Bailey.

991
01:18:43,260 --> 01:18:44,380
The planning commissioners.

992
01:18:44,900 --> 01:18:47,760
Ms. Hunter and Ms. Randolph.

993
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:50,000
I'd like first of all to thank you for your service.

994
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:55,040
And I appreciate the willingness of the staff and the planning commission to listen to

995
01:18:55,040 --> 01:19:00,140
constituent input throughout this process. I think very important. There were a lot of meetings

996
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:06,200
and I think people who did attend did get the opportunity to give their input. Nice

997
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:12,240
certainly did. And I certainly understand that it's a balancing act where you're trying to

998
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:18,540
balance the competing needs of various constituencies, developers, commercial businesses, residents,

999
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:24,980
agricultural and sustainable bits. So it takes a lot and there's no such thing as perfect

1000
01:19:25,660 --> 01:19:35,600
And I support the plan, and I would encourage my friends and neighbors that do not, to not let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

1001
01:19:35,860 --> 01:19:38,260
I think good, this comes around every five years.

1002
01:19:39,480 --> 01:19:44,020
Five years from now, they'll be another opportunity to fix some of the things that maybe weren't perfect in this plan.

1003
01:19:44,540 --> 01:19:51,060
But I have some specific comments about some specific things that I've heard that I wanted to get across,

1004
01:19:51,060 --> 01:19:57,920
And some of these came from Mr. Pompays to do list from the Joint Planning Commission,

1005
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:04,020
Kenny Board of Supervisors and Meeting. First of all, language clarifying the comp plan.

1006
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:10,820
I would encourage you guys to speak with Ms. Randolph, perhaps you could expand upon this,

1007
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:16,580
but it's my understanding that state law defines the purpose and the interplay of the comp plan and the zoning ordinance.

1008
01:20:16,580 --> 01:20:24,900
And I think any language to clarify the compound, which is further confused the issue because it would be just an additional overlay.

1009
01:20:26,100 --> 01:20:30,340
I support buffers and I support the width.

1010
01:20:31,860 --> 01:20:35,540
And there should be aspirational. I support the idea of leaving the space.

1011
01:20:35,740 --> 01:20:45,680
Even if the buffer is something down the road, when there's a use, we all know of areas where a buffer is impossible because there's no, there's just not any space.

1012
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:52,120
So even if the buffer is a staged buffer, and we just leave the space for it, then a use comes in.

1013
01:20:52,820 --> 01:21:04,120
And we add that later, that's great. We need transitions between uses, transitions between offensive uses and residential uses are absolutely key.

1014
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:11,260
And we need high standards. This should be aspirational. We should let this set atone.

1015
01:21:11,260 --> 01:21:13,160
It doesn't have to be perfect.

1016
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:21,900
I mean, developers can seek relief from the comprehensive plan if they need to, for a project, otherwise good.

1017
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:26,080
And I would ask you, leave Washington, Lacey Park alone.

1018
01:21:27,020 --> 01:21:30,580
We have two few parks as Mr. Nelson has pointed out any number of times.

1019
01:21:31,140 --> 01:21:32,380
Let's keep that one intact.

1020
01:21:32,700 --> 01:21:33,780
And thank you.

1021
01:21:34,620 --> 01:21:35,240
Thank you.

1022
01:21:35,540 --> 01:21:37,580
Anybody else, the wants to speak?

1023
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:39,160
I think that's the 14.

1024
01:21:39,900 --> 01:21:42,220
Okay, that's all right, come on, ma'am.

1025
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:43,540
We'll have one more speaker.

1026
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:48,440
Thank you so much.

1027
01:21:48,660 --> 01:21:51,840
My name's Dorate Tae Henry, and I live in the mechanicsville district.

1028
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:57,200
And I actually wasn't planning on speaking, but I don't think I heard anybody speak from the mechanicsville district.

1029
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:00,560
So I've just wrote a few notes down, so bear with me.

1030
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:02,420
And I'm also new to this process.

1031
01:22:02,420 --> 01:22:04,180
So thank you so much for all that you've done.

1032
01:22:04,740 --> 01:22:05,380
I'm learning as I go.

1033
01:22:05,540 --> 01:22:09,340
I have gone to some of the meetings, and I'm really appreciative of all the work that's been going into this.

1034
01:22:09,340 --> 01:22:10,880
But I do have some thoughts and some concerns.

1035
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:15,040
I don't know if this is the right link to use, but I would ask, as somebody in the mechanics

1036
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:20,080
will district, we've been living there for over 20 years, and we've absolutely loved living

1037
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:20,660
in this county.

1038
01:22:20,740 --> 01:22:22,420
My husband was a Hanover deputy.

1039
01:22:22,740 --> 01:22:26,240
We've just really invested ourselves in this community, and for the first time, and probably

1040
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:30,980
the last 20 years, over the past two, we're trying to build out our exit strategy.

1041
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:39,880
The growth has been so fast, the lack of parks, the lack of walkability, the building,

1042
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:46,900
lack of design and architectural standards has really harmed our quality life.

1043
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:50,000
Anyhow, it's really harmed our quality of life.

1044
01:22:50,300 --> 01:22:54,880
And so I don't know if this is the right link we're going to use, but I would say I would support or ask to solidify

1045
01:22:54,880 --> 01:23:00,580
in any place whether it's in the conference of plan or in the ordinances, anything that increases our parks,

1046
01:23:01,100 --> 01:23:05,500
whether there are small pocket parks, but specifically in the old mechanicsful area for my children to go play

1047
01:23:05,500 --> 01:23:11,060
a part week to drive 30 minutes in traffic. Also increase anything that adds to walkability.

1048
01:23:11,540 --> 01:23:17,380
Sidewalks to shops, greenways, expanding bike paths on the side of roads, anything that increases

1049
01:23:17,380 --> 01:23:23,260
the walkability or the bike ability in the community. I also support the increase of buffers.

1050
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:27,840
I think I've seen a hundred feet and then 50 feet, but anything that will absolutely just increase

1051
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:31,980
that feeling of roll culture in downtown mechanics for the mechanics will district,

1052
01:23:31,980 --> 01:23:36,880
which is just growing so fast in every inch of space that's the size of a postage stamp

1053
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:41,340
has a new development on it, so anything that increases those buffers and robust buffers,

1054
01:23:42,060 --> 01:23:48,560
trees, bushes, anything that can support that sort of visual aid to give that role feel.

1055
01:23:49,700 --> 01:23:54,360
Again, architectural standards, there's a specific property that's been recently built that does

1056
01:23:54,360 --> 01:24:00,020
not match the architectural standard that's really an eye sore, if you will, and so I would

1057
01:24:00,020 --> 01:24:01,960
to support anything that adds to that role feel.

1058
01:24:02,940 --> 01:24:07,860
If we're going to develop something that gives it a colonial or brick, or whatever

1059
01:24:07,860 --> 01:24:11,200
facade is agreed upon, that gives it that role architectural feel.

1060
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:13,660
I would really support that and ask for that.

1061
01:24:13,700 --> 01:24:19,280
An example I would use is something that misses that mark is the blaze, cooling and heating

1062
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:25,000
building that's on, goodness, it's on the lead Davis and Paul Green Road.

1063
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:27,820
So that's something that I would say is a miss.

1064
01:24:28,980 --> 01:24:37,760
And then also downtown mechanics law. I saw that it's under a renew. I don't know if it's possible to look that up as maybe a historic district as well because I know there's some historic buildings there.

1065
01:24:38,060 --> 01:24:47,460
And I don't know all the designations and what that would imply, but I can tell you old mechanics will really have some beautiful things and some beautiful people living there and be great to put some investment into that space.

1066
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:50,360
And that's it, thank you.

1067
01:24:50,440 --> 01:24:51,080
Thank you, ma

1068
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:54,500
'am.

1069
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:55,420
Okay, I'm all.

1070
01:24:55,580 --> 01:24:57,320
Did you want to speak, ma'am?

1071
01:24:58,080 --> 01:24:59,480
Okay, please make it real quick.

1072
01:24:59,740 --> 01:24:59,860
We're good.

1073
01:24:59,920 --> 01:25:02,140
We're at number 16 and we're on the 14 raise a hand.

1074
01:25:06,440 --> 01:25:07,100
Good evening.

1075
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:10,480
My name is the LV and I'm the Ashland District.

1076
01:25:11,260 --> 01:25:11,620
Thank you.

1077
01:25:11,700 --> 01:25:14,680
Everyone for your hard work and all the staff and everyone.

1078
01:25:15,620 --> 01:25:17,760
I'm not speaking favor or against the plan to plan

1079
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:19,140
to have a very positive improvements

1080
01:25:19,940 --> 01:25:21,340
and some things that are of concern.

1081
01:25:21,860 --> 01:25:26,220
The number one issue I see is that we all need to learn more about growth and development.

1082
01:25:27,340 --> 01:25:32,980
And it should be a combined effort of this commission staff, residents, and yes, even developers.

1083
01:25:34,340 --> 01:25:37,920
I moved here from in RICO because everything got out of control there.

1084
01:25:38,220 --> 01:25:40,780
And Hanover offered a better way of life in every aspect.

1085
01:25:41,300 --> 01:25:45,860
I don't want Hanover to become in RICO, but I also don't want the county to die out.

1086
01:25:46,820 --> 01:25:51,500
We have the suburban service area and that is designed to keep the county from becoming

1087
01:25:51,500 --> 01:25:57,180
in RICO, but that does come at a price of more density inside the suburban service area.

1088
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:01,040
Another aspect that I cannot ignore is private property rights.

1089
01:26:01,460 --> 01:26:05,740
I can't stand here and consider myself a believer in our constitution and dismiss private

1090
01:26:05,740 --> 01:26:06,480
property rights.

1091
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:11,720
I also don't want to see our economic development zones become warehouse distribution centers,

1092
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:13,180
the likes of Wegmans.

1093
01:26:13,180 --> 01:26:18,920
We want to attract businesses, but we want to be clear about what kind of businesses.

1094
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:24,780
And while I bring up Wegman's, I might point out the irony of the plans goal of reducing

1095
01:26:24,780 --> 01:26:27,700
light pollution, because there's plenty of that with Wegmans.

1096
01:26:29,100 --> 01:26:33,420
And I'll save you to the time, speaking about the solar policy later if you let me.

1097
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:41,960
The solar policy, if the plan, the goal of this company has in plan is to reduce, to protect

1098
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:47,140
the streams and the rivers and the natural habitat, allowing large-scale solar facilities

1099
01:26:47,140 --> 01:26:52,380
will destroy our farmland, our water sources and our natural habitat, and all we need to

1100
01:26:52,380 --> 01:26:56,960
do is look at Lisa and Spotsalvania to see the damage that's been done there.

1101
01:26:57,320 --> 01:27:03,420
Lastly, Sheets is not an appropriate, sheets is not appropriate to put across from someone's

1102
01:27:03,420 --> 01:27:05,860
backyard and right around the corner from school.

1103
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:06,900
Thank you and God bless.

1104
01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:07,920
Thank you.

1105
01:27:08,740 --> 01:27:12,080
Okay, I'm going to close the public hearing at this time.

1106
01:27:15,980 --> 01:27:23,840
Mr. Pompeii, do you want to come up to the podium and I'll see what questions any of the

1107
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:31,200
commissioners might have a comment first and then if you want, if nothing is, if everything

1108
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:36,240
is not covered, if you want to address some of these others on this, is that okay with you?

1109
01:27:36,260 --> 01:27:37,100
Yes sir.

1110
01:27:37,980 --> 01:27:40,240
I'm going to sort of lead this off myself,

1111
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:44,200
in your presentation,

1112
01:27:46,580 --> 01:27:48,320
you mentioned something about

1113
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:54,300
a density bonus for workforce housing, can you expand on that a little bit?

1114
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:55,560
Exactly, what does that mean?

1115
01:27:56,620 --> 01:28:03,200
So some localities offer greater density if there is a profit condition or some sort of guarantee

1116
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:06,840
that workforce affordable housing is in the greater end to the project.

1117
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:15,840
So for example, if the maximum density is 10 units an acre, they might allow our project to go up to 11 units an acre if there's some sort of guarantee that

1118
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:19,300
workforce affordable housing is integrated into the projects.

1119
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:29,120
One thing too, and I know we've talked about this before.

1120
01:28:30,100 --> 01:28:32,040
I had talked the Mr. Rogers today.

1121
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:35,600
We've had numerous conversations over the last year or so.

1122
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:41,840
We've got an email from him, and it's maybe some people here tonight that want us specifically

1123
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:44,900
talking about the property there, three or one at a real point.

1124
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:50,880
And I know his concern was making a change in that designation.

1125
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:59,740
And I think this 100 had mentioned in the past something about the amount of land that's involved

1126
01:29:00,500 --> 01:29:04,740
there, well, and not that is really in complaint, even with the existing complaint.

1127
01:29:04,740 --> 01:29:09,600
But we already have mixed use coming on. I call it the self-west corner, the three or

1128
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:15,580
one. This lady mentioned the sheets on the northwest corner, which we've got numerous

1129
01:29:15,580 --> 01:29:21,500
emails on that. And I think the issue they are specific to with the sheets is the number

1130
01:29:21,500 --> 01:29:28,220
pumps because the way it's so right now, by right sheets, can go there. It's mild sanding. So I mean,

1131
01:29:28,540 --> 01:29:32,780
the reason we're hearing anything on it is because the number of filling stations they want

1132
01:29:32,780 --> 01:29:34,000
of the fueling stations.

1133
01:29:35,020 --> 01:29:40,660
But can you talk a little bit about the area they had 301 and rule point in why we were making

1134
01:29:40,660 --> 01:29:41,220
that change?

1135
01:29:41,340 --> 01:29:46,680
Because I think there were six areas that you listed in the comp plan that was just one

1136
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:47,300
of the six.

1137
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:51,700
So we're not trying to pick on that piece of property because there are other properties

1138
01:29:51,700 --> 01:29:53,560
that we're changing as well.

1139
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:58,040
But can you talk about that since that happens to be in my district and I've got numerous

1140
01:29:58,040 --> 01:29:59,600
comments on it.

1141
01:29:59,600 --> 01:29:59,900
Yeah.

1142
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:06,020
And like I said, we did get an email and a phone call Mr. Rogers and I have a couple of conversations on that today.

1143
01:30:06,700 --> 01:30:14,640
Yes, sir. So there were six areas shown on the general land use plan, where there was not really this agreement or there was not agreement on the comments we received.

1144
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:20,520
That intersection, U.S. Route 1, New Ashcake Road and Rule Point Road is one of those areas where there's different feedback.

1145
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:27,440
Some people want more intensity, some want less intensity, and there is a recommendation on the table.

1146
01:30:27,440 --> 01:30:30,700
That's actually three districts that come together right there.

1147
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:34,760
Check a homony, beaver dam in Henry, so there's different ideas and feedback.

1148
01:30:35,500 --> 01:30:41,740
Right now, in the comprehensive plan, the 2018 plan, three of the four corners, the northwest,

1149
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:47,680
the southwest and the southeast are designated multi-use, and then that northeast corner

1150
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:51,940
where that house sits close to the road that's designated commercial, and that's the edge

1151
01:30:51,940 --> 01:30:53,820
of the suburban service area.

1152
01:30:54,800 --> 01:31:00,860
The draft plan shows the Southwest corner as multi-use that remains the same because that

1153
01:31:00,860 --> 01:31:04,020
properties already zone under development for multi-use type development.

1154
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:12,620
The Northwest corner where the sheets is proposed, and the current plan that's recommended

1155
01:31:12,620 --> 01:31:18,280
multi-use in the proposed change would designate it neighborhood commercial, which is the lowest

1156
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:20,080
intensity of commercial use.

1157
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:43,160
One challenge on that particular corner with that recommendation is neighborhood commercial the proposed land use designation is less intense than what the actual zoning is that property has been zone B2 since 1969 I believe in the neighborhood commercial recommends B1 type uses and does not recommend drive throughs or 24 hour businesses more small scale type uses.

1158
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:48,860
So, again, that northwest corner is proposed to go from multi-use to neighbor who commercial in the land use designation.

1159
01:31:50,860 --> 01:31:59,220
The northeast corner where that house sits close to the road, that's commercial in the current plan, and that's proposed to go to neighborhood commercial again, that lower intensity use.

1160
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:04,700
The southeast corner adjacent to Stag's leap in the church.

1161
01:32:05,260 --> 01:32:11,760
There's a strip in there that's on either side of the church and includes the church, and the current plan is designated multi-use.

1162
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:17,260
multi-use recommends a project that's at least 20 acres, that's a master plan type project.

1163
01:32:18,020 --> 01:32:23,940
That area that's doesn't even multi-use in the current plan is not 20 acres and it's multiple small parcels.

1164
01:32:24,460 --> 01:32:28,460
So the recommendation that's been introduced since January is to have neighborhood commercial

1165
01:32:28,460 --> 01:32:35,800
at the corner and then where the church is and moving towards the creek is suburban neighborhood residential

1166
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:37,640
one and a half to three units in acre.

1167
01:32:38,420 --> 01:32:41,820
the challenging feedback that we've received on that particular

1168
01:32:41,820 --> 01:32:47,120
south east corner where the church is some the property owners want to maintain

1169
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:51,040
that multi-use designation some of the comments we received from different groups

1170
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:54,800
they want the whole the whole side of that corridor to be residential so the

1171
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:59,080
neighborhood commercial and residential designations kind of in the middle of all

1172
01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:02,420
the feedback we were receiving so that was introduced in January and that's been

1173
01:33:02,420 --> 01:33:06,200
remained remained the same but as you mentioned one one challenge with keeping

1174
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:10,800
And that side of the road multi use is there's not 20 acres, it's multiple parcels, it's hard to create.

1175
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:16,460
What's described in employment generating mixed use project with what exists there.

1176
01:33:18,060 --> 01:33:20,680
I'm just giving some bullet points here, okay.

1177
01:33:25,860 --> 01:33:29,940
I want to say that ladies name was Greenfield, the spoke.

1178
01:33:31,020 --> 01:33:32,200
There's a Greenfield in my correct.

1179
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:40,240
Okay. She had mentioned something about the inventory that it appeared that we were consuming

1180
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:46,300
more than I guess is getting approved. Do you know what the current inventory is in

1181
01:33:46,300 --> 01:33:52,400
the county as far as residential? Yeah. Lots that could be developed at this point.

1182
01:33:52,540 --> 01:33:56,100
So I don't know the exact number of the top of my head, but each year we track that as part

1183
01:33:56,100 --> 01:34:01,580
of our community development report. And right now it's just over 2,000 lots that are available

1184
01:34:01,580 --> 01:34:04,720
for residential construction countywide.

1185
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:07,920
As Ms. Greenfield said, as we track that over the past 10 years,

1186
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:10,620
we are consuming more lots than our,

1187
01:34:11,420 --> 01:34:13,960
so more building permits are being issued

1188
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:15,700
than lots are being created.

1189
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:19,360
So roughly, how many, I guess how many,

1190
01:34:19,440 --> 01:34:21,140
lots of being consumed each year?

1191
01:34:21,620 --> 01:34:22,300
I want to say that.

1192
01:34:22,300 --> 01:34:25,200
Assuming it's 2,000 will be the point

1193
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:27,380
where it would be a zero, assuming, you know,

1194
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:29,260
it varies from year to year,

1195
01:34:29,340 --> 01:34:30,680
and the building permits issued

1196
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:35,540
has been going down this year, but last year, I believe we had about 600 building permits for

1197
01:34:35,540 --> 01:34:43,500
new residential units. So if we create no more lots and continue at 600 homes per year,

1198
01:34:43,740 --> 01:34:44,780
you know, that's four years.

1199
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:52,780
But if you consume, if we had 600 requests and we got 2,000 an inventory, what about how many

1200
01:34:52,780 --> 01:35:02,100
requests, do we have more requests than the 2000, or do we start with 2000, had 3,000 requests

1201
01:35:02,100 --> 01:35:08,980
and we're issues 600, which mathematically dropped to them to 1700.

1202
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:16,820
Yes, so the inventory each year, so say last year we started with 2500, we add the lots

1203
01:35:16,820 --> 01:35:21,940
that are plotted in the subdivision by-right, and then we, in the past year, and then we add

1204
01:35:21,940 --> 01:35:24,580
the lots that were re-zone in the past year,

1205
01:35:24,640 --> 01:35:26,000
and then we subtract out the building.

1206
01:35:27,260 --> 01:35:27,760
All right.

1207
01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:28,440
Carmen Bailey?

1208
01:35:29,060 --> 01:35:29,860
And I say something, please?

1209
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:30,440
Yes, sir.

1210
01:35:30,620 --> 01:35:34,060
11 years ago, we had over 4,000 lots of inventory again.

1211
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:35,080
Okay.

1212
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:40,760
There were just a bullet points I wanted to head on.

1213
01:35:41,540 --> 01:35:43,540
And just for clarification purposes,

1214
01:35:44,700 --> 01:35:46,660
we'll go back with the comments from citizens.

1215
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:48,940
Take a look at those comments.

1216
01:35:49,660 --> 01:35:52,340
I'm sure there will be some meeting with yourself.

1217
01:35:52,340 --> 01:36:03,380
I'm just honoured or something over the course of the next week and it may become back with some recommendations on any changes that we could do or send us an email on that.

1218
01:36:03,580 --> 01:36:04,900
Is that the process you'll go through?

1219
01:36:05,140 --> 01:36:10,140
Well, I think one thing we were hoping from you all is some of these outstanding issues to get some direction on.

1220
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:14,560
So if you'll have collectively some consensus on some of these issues, you direct us to make changes.

1221
01:36:14,740 --> 01:36:22,320
And if there's something you want us to research, we can also research that and bring it back to ideas on some other issues that were brought tonight that we had an identified.

1222
01:36:24,440 --> 01:36:26,260
I'll be quiet for a while.

1223
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:28,480
Let all the commissioners bring up their come.

1224
01:36:28,660 --> 01:36:29,340
It's a question.

1225
01:36:31,140 --> 01:36:32,980
I'm going to recognize Mr. Led by the first.

1226
01:36:33,340 --> 01:36:34,080
Thank you, Mr. Taylor.

1227
01:36:34,940 --> 01:36:40,880
Mr. Pompey on page 1415.

1228
01:36:41,700 --> 01:36:47,320
You captured in some wording and italics in the introduction section that

1229
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:54,000
our buffers and the transition between uses. You kept it a lot of what we talked about,

1230
01:36:54,200 --> 01:37:00,580
but did you want to meet? And I think the wording is done very well. Especially on the buffers,

1231
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:07,900
you give a little bit of flexibility to some wording that actually was a one-size-fits-all.

1232
01:37:08,220 --> 01:37:14,360
So I think that's a good thing. I'm in favor of that. I would like for you to add, if you would,

1233
01:37:14,360 --> 01:37:20,580
If everybody is in agreement to it, under the introduction section, the wording in the paragraph

1234
01:37:20,580 --> 01:37:29,180
in the talix, I expect to third line down this technical analysis and include the word

1235
01:37:29,180 --> 01:37:35,560
compatibility in there, because we talk about compatibility in pretty much every zone in case

1236
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:36,160
we have.

1237
01:37:36,540 --> 01:37:42,620
I think that wording should be included in as well, and I also wanted to touch on the bicycle

1238
01:37:48,380 --> 01:37:53,700
I don't think telegraph road is a road that you should route a bicycle down.

1239
01:37:54,240 --> 01:38:00,620
I don't know, is that something we put in that was not already in the connecting between?

1240
01:38:02,360 --> 01:38:07,220
The 2018 plan doesn't show interconnection, so that is a new concept.

1241
01:38:07,220 --> 01:38:12,140
And one thing I want to note is those, those routes, they aren't saying that it's safe or

1242
01:38:12,140 --> 01:38:17,400
recommended to walk or bike today, what it's saying, or what's suggesting is, as development

1243
01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:21,460
occurs, we read your brief zoning requests, as funny comes available, as make road improvements.

1244
01:38:22,100 --> 01:38:26,440
Those are places where we could consider pedestrian bicycle infrastructure.

1245
01:38:27,260 --> 01:38:31,880
What I think telegraph erosion, but you're just taking off the map, if you entered it from

1246
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:36,000
the North entrance, which is the only place it would be, you have no way to go.

1247
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:39,980
you'd have to turn around and come back, there's nobody's going out in the right hand and

1248
01:38:39,980 --> 01:38:46,540
exit on right line. So I think that one should just be taken off the map. Do we have

1249
01:38:46,540 --> 01:38:52,420
any control over the major thoroughfair roles like Asyl Road? I mean, I know there's a

1250
01:38:52,420 --> 01:38:57,480
bicycle route, but that is one road that everybody puts their life in danger of riding a

1251
01:38:57,480 --> 01:38:58,280
bicycle down.

1252
01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:05,980
It's like the National Bike Routes, we have two National Bike Routes, you have a

1253
01:39:05,980 --> 01:39:12,940
We don't have any control over those. I guess we could talk to Vietot and see if there's an alternative route that could work

1254
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:20,740
But yeah, those are I think this should be some consideration in what other we could do to address some of those roads

1255
01:39:27,690 --> 01:39:29,990
That's all I have terrible bailer right

1256
01:39:32,390 --> 01:39:32,710
now.

1257
01:39:35,230 --> 01:39:37,870
I'm going to reserve the right to come back again

1258
01:39:42,550 --> 01:39:53,570
Just going to piggybacking on Mr. Ledbetter on the page 14 for the suburban high-residential

1259
01:39:53,570 --> 01:40:02,730
370 disbreaker. Where is it going to be appropriate for us to make sure that if it

1260
01:40:02,730 --> 01:40:15,050
in MX development that businesses have to be built along with housing, where would that be appropriate,

1261
01:40:15,210 --> 01:40:17,610
maybe not here, but probably where.

1262
01:40:18,230 --> 01:40:22,910
In the land use designation, the description for the different land use

1263
01:40:22,910 --> 01:40:28,070
as nations that have MX or mixed use development recommended, there's some language in there that's

1264
01:40:28,070 --> 01:40:35,350
a phasing plan should be developed that ensures that residential or, sorry, commercial development

1265
01:40:35,350 --> 01:40:38,010
is built before or as residential development occurs.

1266
01:40:38,270 --> 01:40:42,310
So that's in those land use recommendations that the designation themselves.

1267
01:40:42,490 --> 01:40:51,830
I just want that to have a little bit of teeth because the couple MX uses we've seen, the business

1268
01:40:51,830 --> 01:40:55,010
side of it was always pushed out and I didn't like that.

1269
01:40:55,010 --> 01:41:05,770
The next thing I want to draw attention to is on page 15, and I think we've come up with some pretty good ideas about buffers, and I'm just going to weigh in on what I think about the buffers.

1270
01:41:07,090 --> 01:41:14,850
I think there's probably a way that we can get maybe with the density bonus.

1271
01:41:17,230 --> 01:41:20,170
You know, we give them a density bonus for they make bigger buffers.

1272
01:41:21,690 --> 01:41:29,730
If they put in berms, that could, that could shorten the buffer with.

1273
01:41:31,750 --> 01:41:34,030
I'm kind of with where Mr. Shia was.

1274
01:41:34,090 --> 01:41:39,010
I don't know. This is where we need it is in year.

1275
01:41:39,310 --> 01:41:40,890
But what do you think? What are your thoughts on that?

1276
01:41:40,950 --> 01:41:42,390
And I think one thing I wanted to clarify.

1277
01:41:42,470 --> 01:41:45,510
I think Mr. Ledbetter was referring to page 14 in the staff report,

1278
01:41:45,510 --> 01:41:51,590
where we have the draft language, we came up based on the concerns we heard with potential

1279
01:41:51,590 --> 01:41:56,590
language all could consider. So on page 14 the staff report, it has some potential

1280
01:41:56,590 --> 01:42:00,070
language that could be incorporated into different land use designations that doesn't necessarily

1281
01:42:00,070 --> 01:42:06,690
have widths, but has guidance on how buffers should look, be designed, and that kind of thing.

1282
01:42:06,830 --> 01:42:10,550
So, you know, it talks about having a mixture of dissiduous and evergreen trees,

1283
01:42:10,550 --> 01:42:17,030
these underserved trees and shrubs, maintaining existing vegetation where possible, in open

1284
01:42:17,030 --> 01:42:21,970
areas where their style of vegetation consider using berms, decorative fencing, those types

1285
01:42:21,970 --> 01:42:27,570
of things, narrow buffers might be appropriate if certain design features are incorporated.

1286
01:42:29,110 --> 01:42:35,860
So if you all collectively don't think it's appropriate to include widths, then there's

1287
01:42:35,860 --> 01:42:40,960
some language that it gets more to the quality of the buffer than the actual width of it.

1288
01:42:41,060 --> 01:42:42,400
What's your opinion on that?

1289
01:42:43,260 --> 01:42:45,720
Should we address the buffers in the ordinance?

1290
01:42:46,500 --> 01:42:54,800
Yeah, so the comprehensive plan is the policy advisory document that we use and usually what localities do is once we update the comprehensive plan,

1291
01:42:54,880 --> 01:42:58,460
we go look at our ordinances and see how they align or don't align and make updates.

1292
01:42:58,980 --> 01:43:03,860
So if buffers are an important concept, which I think based on public engagement they are,

1293
01:43:03,860 --> 01:43:07,840
We do need to include them in the comprehensive plan, the level of detail, you know, maybe

1294
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:11,600
up for debate, but I think we want some good guidance on how these buffers should function

1295
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:12,700
and look like.

1296
01:43:12,700 --> 01:43:15,860
So as we evaluate zoning cases, we know what to look for.

1297
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:18,680
And as we look at our zoning ordinance and subdivision ordinance, we know what to look for.

1298
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:23,200
So I think having some guidance on what buffers look like and what their purpose is is an

1299
01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:25,300
important part of the plan based on public feedback.

1300
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:26,860
I agree with that.

1301
01:43:28,720 --> 01:43:33,480
Speaking of buffers again, I don't think that's, and we've got this, if the joint meeting,

1302
01:43:33,480 --> 01:43:35,800
And I think it's one size fits all.

1303
01:43:36,040 --> 01:43:38,800
I mean, if you've got a 100 acre development,

1304
01:43:40,120 --> 01:43:41,360
the buffers could be bigger.

1305
01:43:43,220 --> 01:43:47,920
If it's more industrial use and things like that,

1306
01:43:48,020 --> 01:43:49,760
and it depends on where it is, too, right?

1307
01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:58,020
We don't want to transition area going from urban to suburban to rural.

1308
01:43:58,360 --> 01:44:00,340
We want that transition to phase.

1309
01:44:00,340 --> 01:44:06,280
And I think that's where the buffers in my mind are really impactful, because you want

1310
01:44:06,280 --> 01:44:09,720
to keep that rural character going out.

1311
01:44:10,180 --> 01:44:17,120
And if there are some things, so I think I've given you more questions and I am answers

1312
01:44:17,120 --> 01:44:24,020
that I'm sorry about that, but in my mind, it should be, you know, with the transitional,

1313
01:44:24,020 --> 01:44:29,820
Well, they should be bigger buffers or more

1314
01:44:32,480 --> 01:44:35,620
dense buffers, so that could be burners.

1315
01:44:36,120 --> 01:44:38,580
And I think there's negotiation there.

1316
01:44:38,900 --> 01:44:42,100
If you put in this type of buffer, we could do this many feet.

1317
01:44:42,380 --> 01:44:45,880
If you know, I think there's room to improve on that.

1318
01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:50,880
And I don't know if it's in the comp plan that we do that or if it's in, but I think there's

1319
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:57,180
way we can get to, and not perfect,

1320
01:44:59,240 --> 01:44:59,980
but Mr. Morgan said.

1321
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:04,040
I'm not perfect, but good enough for now. But I don't think we're there with the buffer yet.

1322
01:45:07,420 --> 01:45:09,360
You stop. I'm not done yet.

1323
01:45:11,500 --> 01:45:12,200
Go ahead.

1324
01:45:16,160 --> 01:45:23,000
The other thing I want to address, too, when I forgot what page it's on, I'm getting a lot of feedback from

1325
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:34,320
as soon as it ends about the wood side road and not of its good is there are we put the

1326
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:42,280
car before the horse by putting that particular road in the comp plan I don't know that we

1327
01:45:42,280 --> 01:45:47,100
have a plan for it yet and if we put it in the comp plan that means we're going to develop something

1328
01:45:48,300 --> 01:46:08,440
The original idea behind that particular road and one of the reasons for having discussion about it is we do have the economic development zone, north of Woodside Lane, north of Washington, Lacey Park, that area has been designated for economic type development plan business since 2007.

1329
01:46:08,440 --> 01:46:15,660
So that route could be a potential route, that would allow traffic to get up to that economic

1330
01:46:15,660 --> 01:46:20,860
development zone without going by the existing residential subdivisions on wood side lane.

1331
01:46:21,540 --> 01:46:26,760
It's entirely, it would be entirely located on county property, because that is something

1332
01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:27,800
that county owns.

1333
01:46:28,820 --> 01:46:32,620
That means that we'd have to build it, generally those concept roads are built by developers

1334
01:46:32,620 --> 01:46:34,640
as they propose a development along the way.

1335
01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:40,260
they dedicate right away or they build and so that would be a project that the county

1336
01:46:40,260 --> 01:46:45,420
would have to build and it was an idea to try to get access again up to that economic

1337
01:46:45,420 --> 01:46:52,080
development area without impacting the residents. It may never be needed, it may never be

1338
01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:57,860
built but the proposal would be to have that as a potential option.

1339
01:46:57,860 --> 01:47:04,080
Well, isn't in our former plans, wasn't that the reason for what's I made?

1340
01:47:04,580 --> 01:47:07,660
This was to eventually extend to that economic development zone.

1341
01:47:07,720 --> 01:47:11,180
Yeah, from what I understand from the town and what the one planning

1342
01:47:11,180 --> 01:47:15,680
commissioner mentioned, that was the route to get up there when that economic

1343
01:47:15,680 --> 01:47:19,700
development area, plan business area was proposed in 2007.

1344
01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:26,960
And if that was to extend and I can't picture it in my mind right now with that,

1345
01:47:27,640 --> 01:47:34,840
from adjacent to the park, or would it run right through it, or it would run on the western

1346
01:47:34,840 --> 01:47:38,760
edge kind of where the parking area is, it would just, what's I would just go straight,

1347
01:47:39,320 --> 01:47:44,880
it kind of parallel the, there's like power lines, and that kind of, but it wouldn't necessarily

1348
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:49,320
go straight down in the middle of the, what's I, what's I like sitting would go through the edge.

1349
01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:54,100
Now there's, there's another kind of road that goes to the right, and how that's designed

1350
01:47:54,100 --> 01:48:00,020
It's impacts would depend on how, it's, it's, in fact, the park would depend on how that road is designed, but

1351
01:48:00,020 --> 01:48:04,440
Woodside Lange on straight would just kind of be on the very western edge of the park.

1352
01:48:05,900 --> 01:48:10,980
So what impact do we have by leaving this Woodside Lange parallel road in the complaint?

1353
01:48:11,980 --> 01:48:13,940
What's the impact of what's not the impact?

1354
01:48:14,120 --> 01:48:19,840
So since that's on county property, it would just mean that if we had funding available,

1355
01:48:21,800 --> 01:48:26,100
the conference of playing with support, building that road, or if there was a project in that

1356
01:48:26,100 --> 01:48:34,720
area, we could ask for proffers to build that road. Right now there's no transportation funding,

1357
01:48:34,720 --> 01:48:40,480
we have committed for other projects and that kind of thing. So the impact is if funding comes available,

1358
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:45,500
if there's a big zoning case in that area, that could proffer conditions, we could ask for that.

1359
01:48:45,500 --> 01:49:12,240
I am concerned about the route being taking here because, you know, we've got on the drawing board, we've got iron, we've got Mr. Rogers's development coming up, we've got more impact coming down that could really impact that little section of 54.

1360
01:49:12,240 --> 01:49:18,580
And if we put another road in there, are we just compounding our problems?

1361
01:49:19,940 --> 01:49:21,000
That's my big concern.

1362
01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:26,480
How do we get people out of the residential area, how do we get the stuff back there?

1363
01:49:26,820 --> 01:49:31,480
And I don't know that this road is the answer, but again, I'm getting you more questions

1364
01:49:31,480 --> 01:49:33,680
than I'm answering, I'm sorry about that.

1365
01:49:33,820 --> 01:49:39,580
But I don't know that this road is the answer, and I know we're not going to make everyone

1366
01:49:39,580 --> 01:49:40,040
happy.

1367
01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:47,760
But I am very concerned about all this development in that little area, it is not very big.

1368
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:51,180
What that's going to do with the impact traffic.

1369
01:49:53,060 --> 01:49:56,280
Mr. Abbott, if I could clarify some of the comments about that road.

1370
01:49:58,120 --> 01:50:06,380
The road that would be proposed is the would line up if the Iron Horse project were to be developed.

1371
01:50:06,380 --> 01:50:28,320
That is a signalized intersection that's being proposed that the town has several proposals for if that iron horse project is to be developed to have numerous entrances along Route 54 and also they have recently changed their comprehensive plan to have residential development

1372
01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:32,040
which is proposing to use that road as well.

1373
01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:36,660
So there's a number of different things that are in play.

1374
01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:39,020
I just want to make sure you have the full picture.

1375
01:50:40,260 --> 01:50:44,800
Just mentioning that there was another somebody that

1376
01:50:44,800 --> 01:50:45,820
bring up to me.

1377
01:50:46,080 --> 01:50:48,440
If we did signalize my home and road,

1378
01:50:49,720 --> 01:50:55,440
what is the V dot standard where you can only have a light

1379
01:50:55,440 --> 01:51:01,680
That certain intervals on one road could go, could we put another light in here if we need it to?

1380
01:51:02,300 --> 01:51:04,900
So it's not at Mount Herman Road.

1381
01:51:06,120 --> 01:51:10,960
The traffic study for the iron horse development proposes that to be a signalized intersection.

1382
01:51:11,540 --> 01:51:18,460
If that intersection were to be approved, then it would prohibit any signalized intersection

1383
01:51:18,460 --> 01:51:21,360
at Woodside, which would be the major thoroughfare.

1384
01:51:22,020 --> 01:51:26,620
If that could, and I'm just talking off top of my head,

1385
01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:28,440
and I know there's probably not the time,

1386
01:51:28,580 --> 01:51:29,620
and I'll let you guys talk in a second.

1387
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:35,940
If this parallel road could we put in something

1388
01:51:35,940 --> 01:51:37,400
like a roundabout there?

1389
01:51:38,460 --> 01:51:39,700
I mean, there's other options,

1390
01:51:40,540 --> 01:51:42,460
than just saying we can't do anything, right?

1391
01:51:44,370 --> 01:51:47,410
The spacing is very close between wood side

1392
01:51:47,410 --> 01:51:53,670
and the proposed location for the other road.

1393
01:51:54,610 --> 01:51:57,970
I don't think there would be spacing even for around about.

1394
01:51:58,390 --> 01:52:01,430
It could be looked at through engineering mechanisms,

1395
01:52:01,430 --> 01:52:03,490
but it is very close.

1396
01:52:05,950 --> 01:52:08,970
I guess I'm just not comfortable putting that road in there,

1397
01:52:09,250 --> 01:52:10,250
but that's just mine.

1398
01:52:10,430 --> 01:52:12,170
And I'll turn it back over to you.

1399
01:52:12,310 --> 01:52:13,750
Thank you, Mr. Trump. Thank you.

1400
01:52:16,710 --> 01:52:19,550
So I don't forget what I was wanting to say.

1401
01:52:20,650 --> 01:52:23,550
I got three things I wanted to mention right off the bat.

1402
01:52:23,870 --> 01:52:26,410
I wouldn't piggyback Mr. Abbott on the phasing aspect.

1403
01:52:26,490 --> 01:52:30,070
I know that DMX is referenced several times in the draft

1404
01:52:30,070 --> 01:52:34,010
comp plan in the various land use areas.

1405
01:52:35,750 --> 01:52:39,190
And it does say phasing there is a phasing,

1406
01:52:39,270 --> 01:52:41,590
but it doesn't go into any detail and I don't know if it's a

1407
01:52:41,590 --> 01:52:45,910
complain is the place for that. However, I also would like to see that beef

1408
01:52:45,910 --> 01:52:53,390
tough a little bit in that we have seen that push back and in fact I was

1409
01:52:53,390 --> 01:52:58,170
kind of surprised I didn't surprise that the 20 acres. I thought we had increased

1410
01:52:58,170 --> 01:53:04,450
the sizing of that a little bit but it may be maybe not. I still think that's a

1411
01:53:04,450 --> 01:53:10,170
little small for an MX situation and the thing is as I look around and look

1412
01:53:10,170 --> 01:53:19,330
up and down 301, I'm looking at subdivisions that are exist that had, they were not faced.

1413
01:53:19,790 --> 01:53:25,210
They have going to have office buildings or some type of buildings in the front of the subdivisions.

1414
01:53:25,490 --> 01:53:26,990
And nothing has been built yet.

1415
01:53:27,770 --> 01:53:34,710
And I want, I'm curious, what constitutes satisfying a phasing process, is it just putting

1416
01:53:34,710 --> 01:53:35,670
in a concrete pad?

1417
01:53:36,010 --> 01:53:37,830
Okay, now we can build more houses.

1418
01:53:37,830 --> 01:53:43,650
In other words, usually the phasing that I've seen is X number of homes are building permits

1419
01:53:43,650 --> 01:53:48,530
whatever the terms are used, allowed, and then it stops.

1420
01:53:49,850 --> 01:53:56,490
Then the commercial aspect has to have certain amount done, and then more building permits or

1421
01:53:56,490 --> 01:53:56,870
whatever.

1422
01:53:58,450 --> 01:54:04,090
I'd like to see, I don't know if the complaint is the place for that, but more than just

1423
01:54:04,090 --> 01:54:05,510
we're going to have a phasing process.

1424
01:54:06,390 --> 01:54:10,150
I'd like to see let's put some teeth into the facing aspect,

1425
01:54:12,160 --> 01:54:13,700
because I think we want I think

1426
01:54:13,700 --> 01:54:20,060
that that's what we're wanting to do and make sure of a commitment by the developer on

1427
01:54:20,060 --> 01:54:24,700
the commercial aspect of things and that because that's what was always the intent.

1428
01:54:24,980 --> 01:54:29,560
I mean let's face it, that's where some of the tax dollars comes to goes towards the county primarily

1429
01:54:29,560 --> 01:54:31,780
from commercial end-of-things.

1430
01:54:32,600 --> 01:54:38,380
So I think what you're imagining is having some sort of guidance, which might not be appropriate

1431
01:54:38,380 --> 01:54:42,880
in the conference of plan, but somewhere that says, if there's a mixed use project,

1432
01:54:43,240 --> 01:54:50,120
the appropriate ratio is X number of homes per Y square footage of commercial or industrial

1433
01:54:50,120 --> 01:54:50,600
spaces.

1434
01:54:50,600 --> 01:54:52,040
That can know what you're looking for.

1435
01:54:52,840 --> 01:54:57,020
I don't know if the conference of plan and maybe I don't want it in the conference

1436
01:54:57,020 --> 01:54:57,380
of plan.

1437
01:54:57,380 --> 01:55:03,360
I understand that. I mean, that's a three thousand foot level thing, but I think it's something

1438
01:55:03,360 --> 01:55:06,000
that needs to be up to support that complaint.

1439
01:55:09,180 --> 01:55:13,200
Well, that is something that has come up, you know, in zoning before zoning applications

1440
01:55:13,200 --> 01:55:21,320
where we've had phasing on on property side. Again, I'm not sure if the complaint is right

1441
01:55:21,320 --> 01:55:26,840
or but I do know we've had that come up in zoning requests before.

1442
01:55:26,840 --> 01:55:35,120
Yeah, a cold wall park that's under development has certain thresholds where a certain number of units can't be built until some business uses come online.

1443
01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:44,320
So we have it in previous cases and having this language in the conference of plans as we want a phasing plan, give us the tool to ask a developer, hey, this is something that's important to the county.

1444
01:55:45,580 --> 01:55:52,360
We need to work through this phasing plan that come up with something that's realistic and insurers that there's business uses coming online with the residential.

1445
01:55:53,660 --> 01:55:53,960
Okay.

1446
01:55:54,480 --> 01:55:55,720
That was my thought on that.

1447
01:55:55,720 --> 01:56:02,500
Also, I don't know if Ms. Hunter, you got a phone number, you do not have a phone number.

1448
01:56:02,600 --> 01:56:10,880
Ms. Raffordy is with the economic development section, and I tried to write as fast

1449
01:56:10,880 --> 01:56:14,480
I couldn't, I got to more focus, and then I couldn't follow any more.

1450
01:56:14,920 --> 01:56:20,220
So I would love to see what she had said, and I wouldn't mind getting a contact number.

1451
01:56:20,400 --> 01:56:24,720
I would like to contact her and find out if I can get a copy of what she was obviously

1452
01:56:24,720 --> 01:56:31,080
reading something and I think she has some ideas. I know the economic development is a very

1453
01:56:31,080 --> 01:56:35,760
important aspect and no Mr. Ledbetter and I've talked about that in a number of times for

1454
01:56:35,760 --> 01:56:39,940
this complaint. So I'd love to see what she has to say. That's just more of a comment.

1455
01:56:40,420 --> 01:56:45,540
But it's important because the last subject that ties in the Kennedy Economic Development

1456
01:56:45,540 --> 01:56:50,920
produces the tax dollars for us. That's the hopes so that the thing that has been mentioned

1457
01:56:50,920 --> 01:56:58,720
numerous times or parks. And I'm supportive of that. And I'm happy that to hear that we're

1458
01:56:58,720 --> 01:57:05,560
getting, they may be baby steps and getting the parks done, but or or addressed or at least

1459
01:57:05,560 --> 01:57:11,900
talked about. And one of the things, I don't know, this is more of a statement than anything else,

1460
01:57:11,960 --> 01:57:16,940
I've raised it twice, I know at least once. We need a mechanism where I know it's been raised

1461
01:57:16,940 --> 01:57:25,960
where citizens have voluntarily and have offered to donate property to the county.

1462
01:57:27,200 --> 01:57:30,460
I know it's been brought up over on the 54 area.

1463
01:57:31,020 --> 01:57:37,980
I know that it's been brought up in the Chikahomni district and what would have been because

1464
01:57:37,980 --> 01:57:42,980
it's in the suburban service area in a very small area, I would be considering it a pocket

1465
01:57:42,980 --> 01:57:43,400
park.

1466
01:57:43,740 --> 01:57:44,800
It was mentioned here tonight.

1467
01:57:44,800 --> 01:57:51,400
I mean we have to think I think in some areas that's the concept we've got to try to start getting a handle on.

1468
01:57:52,160 --> 01:57:58,880
It's not going to be a big huge park necessarily, but some small areas where particularly when somebody wants to donate property,

1469
01:57:59,580 --> 01:58:03,080
we have that mechanism and what needs to be done to pursue that.

1470
01:58:03,660 --> 01:58:06,820
So, because that has happened and that that individual said it to me personally.

1471
01:58:07,420 --> 01:58:11,800
And that's a couple of years ago and there was not a desire on the county to pursue it.

1472
01:58:22,240 --> 01:58:28,880
I wanted to, when we had the joint meeting, I brought up the complement and how we, if somebody

1473
01:58:28,880 --> 01:58:35,940
comes up for a complement amendment, how we broadcast that, is this in the complement?

1474
01:58:36,900 --> 01:58:45,260
I think that we should not give a nod like there's going to be enhanced, notifying if you

1475
01:58:45,260 --> 01:58:47,660
if you want to see P.A.

1476
01:58:49,100 --> 01:58:56,500
We could possibly add something on page six, the last paragraph of the introduction chapter talks about the many in the comprehensive plan.

1477
01:58:57,020 --> 01:59:02,760
We could add some general language in here that talks about how we do public outreach.

1478
01:59:03,000 --> 01:59:06,420
That would ultimately be something we would incorporate to our ordinance or outreach policies,

1479
01:59:07,020 --> 01:59:10,000
but there could be something in there that talks about.

1480
01:59:11,570 --> 01:59:21,470
I just feel like, like, a compound amendment impacts more people than just the people who live around that particular property.

1481
01:59:21,630 --> 01:59:27,110
I think it needs to be wider, a wider net to be cast.

1482
01:59:28,370 --> 01:59:30,190
So, all right, I'm done now.

1483
01:59:30,190 --> 01:59:37,170
But you're not referring specifically to the verbiage where it says that amendments are

1484
01:59:37,570 --> 01:59:38,650
can be submitted.

1485
01:59:38,810 --> 01:59:45,690
You're saying more people being notified of the request or you can't compliment them.

1486
01:59:46,150 --> 01:59:59,970
If you're asking for a complaint amendment, you have to tell more people, other than the

1487
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:08,680
Okay. All right. Other comments? Mr. Vortico. Thank you Chairman Davis. Mr. Abbott.

1488
02:00:11,320 --> 02:00:28,660
One thing I want to echo with Mr. Hager said here, I've worked with a couple several years ago, and they wanted to donate a third echo in old mechanics field for a pocket part. In the time, we couldn't get a feet on a ground with it.

1489
02:00:28,660 --> 02:00:34,140
But if we could get something worked out I'd be more happy to go back to these people they still might be wanting to do it

1490
02:00:34,140 --> 02:00:37,080
And some perfect place for it. They keep it manicured

1491
02:00:37,080 --> 02:00:42,140
If you had a couple of wings that said to answer some sand boxes, it'd be a good place to have right in old

1492
02:00:42,580 --> 02:00:45,180
Cancels. So that next thing I want to talk about

1493
02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:51,220
Has everybody knows I'm not in favor of the 100 foot buffer in the suburban service, all right?

1494
02:00:51,740 --> 02:00:53,620
And I'm gonna tell you y'all have done a wonderful job

1495
02:00:54,620 --> 02:00:56,840
writing this up you have

1496
02:00:58,660 --> 02:01:06,100
But I still see where, you know, it's not really in concrete that you, you know,

1497
02:01:06,260 --> 02:01:08,580
that you still could have a hundred foot buffer there.

1498
02:01:09,300 --> 02:01:16,040
I like all these stuff about the trees, the bushes, and everything to, you know,

1499
02:01:16,140 --> 02:01:17,940
you can do that with a 50 foot buffer.

1500
02:01:18,120 --> 02:01:25,740
Owners of urban service are you side only, not to, on the side, but I could see maybe

1501
02:01:25,740 --> 02:01:30,660
a wider buff in that if you give them the developer some credit with some

1502
02:01:31,500 --> 02:01:36,380
audacity to help offset that cost because it's cost to him a lot more money

1503
02:01:36,960 --> 02:01:43,210
to do that and that's my two cents and I know we'll talk about it again later

1504
02:01:43,210 --> 02:01:47,270
but you know I like everything I'll do and I see what you put a lot of time

1505
02:01:47,270 --> 02:01:53,870
and if you did you listen to what we had to say and that's what all I got to say

1506
02:01:53,870 --> 02:01:59,670
So are you suggesting that they change the buffer from 100 or to a lot more guns?

1507
02:02:00,530 --> 02:02:04,190
Because I mean, I think what he's looking for is some specific language that they're going

1508
02:02:04,190 --> 02:02:06,030
to put into the final drive.

1509
02:02:06,950 --> 02:02:10,250
Well, the old says 50 feet, you know, we're talking about 100.

1510
02:02:10,350 --> 02:02:18,270
I'm not in favor of 100, and Mr. Peterson is not in favor of 100, but the wording now talks

1511
02:02:18,270 --> 02:02:26,750
about all the berms, the trees, you know, everything else that goes with it is really nice.

1512
02:02:26,850 --> 02:02:31,050
Landscape and coffers, berms like Mr. Abbott keeps bringing up.

1513
02:02:31,150 --> 02:02:32,110
I think things are a great idea.

1514
02:02:32,470 --> 02:02:35,430
If you do that, I think 50 foot would be okay.

1515
02:02:35,570 --> 02:02:39,790
In the suburban service area only, but I'm not a favor of 100 foot.

1516
02:02:40,110 --> 02:02:45,530
Because right back to what I say, when we talk about workforce housing, we keep getting

1517
02:02:45,530 --> 02:02:51,510
away from it, not closer to it, and when you go another 50 foot, you just raise that bar up

1518
02:02:51,510 --> 02:02:58,290
here, and you can get to it now, so you keep raising your never get to it. And I'm just

1519
02:02:58,290 --> 02:03:07,470
not in favor of anything over 50 foot, I'm not cornering. I just wear a state. Sorry. Mr. Lebo. Yeah,

1520
02:03:07,930 --> 02:03:13,650
going back to Mr. Wood, because I think a lot of that was captured on page 14 when the revised

1521
02:03:13,650 --> 02:03:19,570
wording. So I think some of that's there. And I want echo what Mr. Hadris said too. I had

1522
02:03:19,570 --> 02:03:27,370
some people come up to me doing some of the comp-lam meetings that had properties that

1523
02:03:27,370 --> 02:03:32,190
they wanted to donate. And some of them were pretty sizable tracks. So I think that

1524
02:03:32,190 --> 02:03:37,670
really should be pursued. That may be some leeway there to give something to them.

1525
02:03:40,000 --> 02:03:47,560
When you're referencing page 14, we've got two, four things in this staff analysis, only the actual

1526
02:03:47,560 --> 02:03:50,500
contract in the staff report.

1527
02:03:51,480 --> 02:03:56,940
And I really think talking to a couple of people, there's a very good tax advantage to that.

1528
02:03:57,220 --> 02:04:04,380
But people donating property to a county in federal and state taxes, it's a very good tax advantage

1529
02:04:04,380 --> 02:04:05,180
from the do it.

1530
02:04:05,220 --> 02:04:07,080
Hopefully we can get it going.

1531
02:04:07,080 --> 02:04:11,960
I think Mr. Ledbear and I were together when one of those conversations took place.

1532
02:04:12,340 --> 02:04:16,080
But I was just like to make one more statement too.

1533
02:04:17,200 --> 02:04:23,600
Our transportation situation is a problem on every project just about it.

1534
02:04:24,180 --> 02:04:27,800
And I just want everybody to realize our rows of control by V dot.

1535
02:04:27,960 --> 02:04:30,440
We have to go through V dot to make any kind of improvements.

1536
02:04:31,700 --> 02:04:34,220
And we're still driving down rows of a creative process.

1537
02:04:34,860 --> 02:04:41,120
So we've got a long ways to go and it's going to be our appeal battle, but I think we're

1538
02:04:41,120 --> 02:04:46,440
doing the best we can, we have to be careful with traffic on all these rezoning cases

1539
02:04:46,440 --> 02:04:52,340
and I think we've done that in the recent future, I just wanted to make that statement.

1540
02:04:53,580 --> 02:04:54,440
Can I say one thing?

1541
02:04:55,240 --> 02:04:55,720
Public comments, please.

1542
02:04:55,720 --> 02:04:57,340
Yes, ma'am.

1543
02:04:57,440 --> 02:04:59,460
Public public comments, please.

1544
02:05:00,220 --> 02:05:03,860
Mr. Woodaker, did you want to make some suggestion or something less than 100?

1545
02:05:04,640 --> 02:05:11,220
I would like 50 feet with all the berms, trees and all that that.

1546
02:05:11,580 --> 02:05:15,580
What I'd like to say, we're talking about the road systems, I'll just bring this up.

1547
02:05:15,840 --> 02:05:17,880
We get a lot of calls from a lot of people.

1548
02:05:19,320 --> 02:05:24,380
They were surface-treaten erodes around the Caxfield a few years ago.

1549
02:05:24,860 --> 02:05:30,180
I don't know how many people I'd have called me, ringing my ear off, surface-treaten.

1550
02:05:30,740 --> 02:05:36,200
This year we're getting their granted and payment them all, they don't like that either.

1551
02:05:37,320 --> 02:05:42,020
They just don't like it, you know, we can't get out of a driveway, and you're getting

1552
02:05:42,020 --> 02:05:42,780
nice roads.

1553
02:05:43,040 --> 02:05:46,520
I mean, they're coming through doing a lot of work on that roads, which I appreciate.

1554
02:05:48,400 --> 02:05:50,480
But that's, you know, you hear things like that.

1555
02:05:51,260 --> 02:05:58,400
If we change at his suggestion to buffering the SSA to 50 feet, does that impact

1556
02:05:59,620 --> 02:06:05,780
All the buffers, those are just, just with an SSI.

1557
02:06:05,880 --> 02:06:10,540
It would just be in the SSI. The way the leaners and nations are divided up, we could just

1558
02:06:10,540 --> 02:06:18,780
do that in the SSI. So just for my clarity, do you want us to change the width of 50, incorporate

1559
02:06:18,780 --> 02:06:24,060
the language and the draft report or do a combination? Is there a consensus on that?

1560
02:06:25,930 --> 02:06:27,290
I'd like to see a change of 50.

1561
02:06:29,210 --> 02:06:33,330
It's the love out of you ever in the comments on the 50 or you don't play well.

1562
02:06:33,750 --> 02:06:39,980
I like some of the flexibility because I don't know that every project is the same.

1563
02:06:41,940 --> 02:06:46,540
If there's any way we could word it so that we could capture that, I think that would be good.

1564
02:06:46,600 --> 02:06:51,340
And I could go off that too because we know not one size fits all.

1565
02:06:51,880 --> 02:06:54,560
And if you could come up with something mandatory, it'd be nice.

1566
02:06:54,560 --> 02:06:57,280
So blend the 50 with the language.

1567
02:06:57,300 --> 02:06:58,960
I think that would be the best way to do it.

1568
02:07:00,300 --> 02:07:06,400
Mr. Chairman, isn't that that garbage on that's attached in our report?

1569
02:07:07,060 --> 02:07:08,900
That is, does it allow that flexibility?

1570
02:07:09,260 --> 02:07:15,080
Yeah, that does not have a recommended width, so we could just have that or we could say

1571
02:07:15,080 --> 02:07:19,900
something like, thoroughfare buffers should generally be,

1572
02:07:28,940 --> 02:07:28,940
within the Suburban Service

1573
02:07:28,940 --> 02:07:30,780
or something to do with magic.

1574
02:07:32,900 --> 02:07:32,980
Yes.

1575
02:07:32,980 --> 02:07:33,460
Mr. Chairman?

1576
02:07:34,520 --> 02:07:34,640
I did.

1577
02:07:35,160 --> 02:07:35,600
Since the public.

1578
02:07:35,920 --> 02:07:36,040
Yes.

1579
02:07:36,160 --> 02:07:36,660
Thank you, sir.

1580
02:07:36,760 --> 02:07:37,820
Since the office of topic,

1581
02:07:38,440 --> 02:07:40,980
if the object of the exercise is visibility,

1582
02:07:42,000 --> 02:07:44,740
then if we have to put a footage on there,

1583
02:07:44,940 --> 02:07:46,980
I think 50 is reasonable,

1584
02:07:47,580 --> 02:07:49,400
but if that could be reviewed,

1585
02:07:49,720 --> 02:07:51,400
and say, you know, maybe 50 is not needed

1586
02:07:51,400 --> 02:07:55,120
because of the existing trees or whatever is there,

1587
02:07:55,960 --> 02:07:56,640
I think flexibility.

1588
02:07:56,640 --> 02:07:58,860
I would very much like that in the wording.

1589
02:08:00,060 --> 02:08:03,680
All we're going to have to give these developing my opinion is we've got to give these

1590
02:08:03,680 --> 02:08:08,360
developers higher density to putting those areas if we're taking land away from them.

1591
02:08:08,520 --> 02:08:10,800
So that's I just want to chime in on that.

1592
02:08:11,220 --> 02:08:17,140
I think you've given it pretty good flexibility to capture most of what the concerns were in my opinion.

1593
02:08:18,140 --> 02:08:25,420
You know we want to leave the natural buffers as much as possible too and that allows that to happen as well.

1594
02:08:25,420 --> 02:08:32,600
we don't want to, we don't want to cut down with two or three is and then plant six foot tall trees in some situations.

1595
02:08:34,950 --> 02:08:35,730
Mr. Abbott.

1596
02:08:35,990 --> 02:08:37,570
Yeah, I want to weigh in as a buffer thing.

1597
02:08:39,970 --> 02:08:45,630
I think the flexibility is that I'm not an agreement with the 50 foot buffer.

1598
02:08:46,530 --> 02:08:47,890
I just straight across the board.

1599
02:08:48,130 --> 02:08:50,930
I think there needs to be a lot of discussion between that.

1600
02:08:51,510 --> 02:08:53,810
There's some 50 foot buffers that work.

1601
02:08:54,290 --> 02:08:56,190
It depends on the scale of the development, right?

1602
02:08:56,190 --> 02:09:05,930
If you get, if you got a 50-foot building, a 25-foot or a 55-foot buffer doesn't do anything.

1603
02:09:08,430 --> 02:09:15,710
So, it has to be with that eye shadow, so I'm not in favor of putting a 50-foot just a number on it,

1604
02:09:15,950 --> 02:09:22,210
because I think it's going to have to be flexible depending on the development.

1605
02:09:26,760 --> 02:09:35,800
Right there they're saying 100 what if it's you give them a leeway fifty to a hundred that's the term in I guess at

1606
02:09:37,020 --> 02:09:39,080
Time of slight plan or

1607
02:09:39,080 --> 02:09:45,920
You we could have I can take all your feedback and try to come up with something but we could say generally buffers are fifty to

1608
02:09:46,700 --> 02:09:50,760
X number of feet based on site specific conditions the proposed use

1609
02:09:52,000 --> 02:09:55,080
Fifty to a hundred feet something that is that more variable to you

1610
02:09:56,700 --> 02:10:02,420
I think if we're going to do that, if we're going to do that, then it's going to have

1611
02:10:02,420 --> 02:10:06,160
to be the scale of development too. We're going to have some coverage in there as well.

1612
02:10:06,440 --> 02:10:10,760
I mean, if you're talking about, you know, two story townhouses, 50 feet might be fine.

1613
02:10:11,220 --> 02:10:15,100
But if you're talking about an industrial complex, 50 foot is not going to work.

1614
02:10:15,740 --> 02:10:20,340
But some flexibility, though, that, like Mr. Ward at this thing, that some flexibility

1615
02:10:20,340 --> 02:10:22,280
that permits something to less than 100.

1616
02:10:22,820 --> 02:10:23,100
Yes.

1617
02:10:23,740 --> 02:10:24,980
I'm agreeing with that.

1618
02:10:25,440 --> 02:10:26,380
Depending on the scale.

1619
02:10:26,620 --> 02:10:27,220
Other comments?

1620
02:10:28,320 --> 02:10:30,280
I'd like to see it.

1621
02:10:30,540 --> 02:10:31,500
Some questions today.

1622
02:10:31,840 --> 02:10:35,020
They're saying real cross the board.

1623
02:10:35,280 --> 02:10:37,860
100 feet or 50 feet.

1624
02:10:38,100 --> 02:10:38,980
Some sort of flexibility.

1625
02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:41,420
So I think we're all in a grim attire.

1626
02:10:45,740 --> 02:10:48,260
I guess we need to give some direction on this.

1627
02:10:48,480 --> 02:10:50,720
It's a wood side parallel road.

1628
02:10:51,020 --> 02:10:52,220
Then we'll just call.

1629
02:10:53,280 --> 02:10:55,900
in any other thoughts of the Mr. Abbott?

1630
02:10:56,420 --> 02:10:57,000
What's that?

1631
02:10:57,660 --> 02:10:57,820
No.

1632
02:10:59,860 --> 02:11:00,780
You haven't thoughts on that?

1633
02:11:04,430 --> 02:11:04,810
No one?

1634
02:11:07,010 --> 02:11:07,730
Leave it as this?

1635
02:11:09,430 --> 02:11:12,230
I mean, we need, that is just a concept road anyway, correct?

1636
02:11:12,550 --> 02:11:14,890
I mean, it's sort of like you and I had talked about.

1637
02:11:16,130 --> 02:11:16,490
Yes.

1638
02:11:16,530 --> 02:11:16,630
Yes.

1639
02:11:16,630 --> 02:11:19,310
She's like I don't want to go out for the Crayon Road Parkway extension.

1640
02:11:19,490 --> 02:11:22,430
I mean, that's been in the company since 1996.

1641
02:11:22,930 --> 02:11:29,450
And who knows, if it would not be developed, because you've got environmental studies,

1642
02:11:29,810 --> 02:11:34,610
community input, you've got wetlands, you go across, you've got a funding, and we're

1643
02:11:34,610 --> 02:11:39,630
talking probably decades down the road before that, but even a number of fruition, even

1644
02:11:39,630 --> 02:11:41,670
there's been a comprehensive in 1996.

1645
02:11:42,370 --> 02:11:42,930
That's correct.

1646
02:11:43,030 --> 02:11:45,530
And that's just one of several other roads in the county.

1647
02:11:45,990 --> 02:11:49,870
So that doesn't mean that that road is definitely going to be there.

1648
02:11:50,470 --> 02:11:51,030
That's correct.

1649
02:11:52,910 --> 02:11:57,510
It could be there, there's some language for that particular roadway since it's an unusual

1650
02:11:57,510 --> 02:12:02,290
situation in that it's county owned property within the town limits, there's language

1651
02:12:02,290 --> 02:12:08,570
about coordinating with the town, should that road undergo design or engineering or progress

1652
02:12:08,570 --> 02:12:10,810
farther than a line on the map.

1653
02:12:15,160 --> 02:12:21,340
So, anybody else having to comment on that particular road, I mean I understand where you're

1654
02:12:21,340 --> 02:12:26,520
I'm sort of okay with it knowing that it's not something that we're going to do to

1655
02:12:26,520 --> 02:12:27,540
immediately anyway.

1656
02:12:29,940 --> 02:12:36,440
I guess we only comment to that would be if there is somebody that wants to develop that

1657
02:12:36,440 --> 02:12:41,320
economic area then it could be going to happen really quick and we've got a lot of development

1658
02:12:41,320 --> 02:12:48,660
going on around there and I don't know that we have a plan to accommodate all of the

1659
02:12:48,660 --> 02:12:50,300
what's going on in an area.

1660
02:12:52,930 --> 02:12:59,610
Well, I think once we vote on this thing next week, if we have it in there, or out of there,

1661
02:12:59,610 --> 02:13:02,970
I mean, it's still going to be up to the more supervisors, that's the law, and I think

1662
02:13:02,970 --> 02:13:05,950
we want to put it down and take it out, something we could take it out and they could put

1663
02:13:05,950 --> 02:13:08,070
it back in, or we could leave it in and they could take it out.

1664
02:13:09,210 --> 02:13:09,370
That's correct.

1665
02:13:10,950 --> 02:13:11,510
All right.

1666
02:13:11,790 --> 02:13:13,210
Commissal, anything else?

1667
02:13:14,210 --> 02:13:14,250
Yes.

1668
02:13:14,290 --> 02:13:17,950
The one thing I want, I think the gentleman has loved.

1669
02:13:18,870 --> 02:13:20,670
I didn't get this last name, I know, was Jasper.

1670
02:13:21,230 --> 02:13:24,030
But, you know, he mentioned something about where he lived.

1671
02:13:24,850 --> 02:13:25,990
It was agriculture for Martin.

1672
02:13:26,170 --> 02:13:31,350
I want to check that, because I mean, I'm not familiar with the company in his specific area,

1673
02:13:31,970 --> 02:13:36,670
because he's of the opinion that where he is, is agriculture and is going to stay that way.

1674
02:13:36,990 --> 02:13:37,450
I'll give you familiar with that.

1675
02:13:37,450 --> 02:13:39,510
Yeah, I can speak to that situation.

1676
02:13:40,290 --> 02:13:46,170
So, where he is, he's on a Cobb's road, just east of Stoning Run.

1677
02:13:46,170 --> 02:13:55,070
And that portion of Cobb's road was resumed to industrial in the 1970s without community involvement as he suggested.

1678
02:13:55,570 --> 02:13:58,350
There is a proposed change to the map in that area.

1679
02:13:59,190 --> 02:14:04,130
So there are some houses that remain along Cobb's road including his home.

1680
02:14:04,490 --> 02:14:11,370
We're changing the map from mixed use and business industrial to suburban neighborhood residential where those houses are.

1681
02:14:11,470 --> 02:14:15,470
So the land use designation is changing from a business designation to a residential designation.

1682
02:14:15,470 --> 02:14:23,390
And then there's a strategy in the implementation section about working with that community to

1683
02:14:23,390 --> 02:14:30,350
downzone the remaining residential properties to a residential district to address that issue since

1684
02:14:30,350 --> 02:14:33,910
base to live there and they weren't involved in that process 50 years ago.

1685
02:14:34,510 --> 02:14:39,430
So, his particular issue is specifically mentioned in the comprehensive plan and changes made.

1686
02:14:39,430 --> 02:14:44,750
So, it's not, well, the properties, it's, it's not agricultural, but the lean

1687
02:14:44,750 --> 02:14:46,810
United States nation is recommending residential.

1688
02:14:47,330 --> 02:14:50,770
But the commercial part is, is what you're saying is coming out.

1689
02:14:51,230 --> 02:14:58,770
Yeah, so the, yeah, where there are existing houses along that corridor, where the

1690
02:14:58,770 --> 02:14:59,970
lean United States nation will change to residential.

1691
02:15:04,960 --> 02:15:26,880
That was a good move because we had a lot of controversy on that. We actually had a homeowner that owned a home, but because it was own commercial, they couldn't get loan for it. That helped that took care of that situation. And there's several, there's right many residential homes down through that area.

1692
02:15:26,880 --> 02:15:29,140
Yeah, I want to make sure we covered that.

1693
02:15:30,280 --> 02:15:33,760
The last of coming, and I have, I'm sorry.

1694
02:15:33,940 --> 02:15:37,810
I'm going to tell you what that is.

1695
02:15:37,810 --> 02:15:38,290
Yes, ma'am.

1696
02:15:42,600 --> 02:15:45,220
OK, OK, I've worked with the proposal.

1697
02:15:46,080 --> 02:15:46,740
Yeah, OK.

1698
02:15:48,300 --> 02:15:52,320
Mr. Shia wrote up a comment, and I just want to sort of

1699
02:15:52,320 --> 02:15:55,640
further this food for thought, do we need to go back?

1700
02:15:55,980 --> 02:15:58,180
You know, several of us have been on the commission here

1701
02:15:58,180 --> 02:15:59,680
for a number of years, and we've always

1702
02:15:59,680 --> 02:16:03,860
that the comp plan was really just like sort of a guiding document.

1703
02:16:04,120 --> 02:16:09,960
So it's really sort of like an advisory thing, the number of other mitigating factors

1704
02:16:09,960 --> 02:16:15,820
that can come into play, that's the following not a zoning request that's approved by us,

1705
02:16:15,840 --> 02:16:20,040
all the board of supervise, just because it's, I'm just going to say, purple on the map.

1706
02:16:20,360 --> 02:16:24,540
Then that sort of means that they're going to get everything that they want within a purple dot.

1707
02:16:26,020 --> 02:16:31,220
Do we need to make sure that throughout the document is says advisory versus policy?

1708
02:16:32,940 --> 02:16:37,520
I don't know if Ms. Hunter has thoughts on this, but it is a policy guide.

1709
02:16:38,680 --> 02:16:43,160
There is some specific policy in there like we're not going to expand utilities outside the suburban

1710
02:16:43,160 --> 02:16:43,740
service area.

1711
02:16:43,920 --> 02:16:45,960
That is a policy that's in the comfort to plan.

1712
02:16:46,040 --> 02:16:47,880
I don't think that exists anywhere else.

1713
02:16:49,680 --> 02:16:51,040
A policy is not law.

1714
02:16:51,040 --> 02:16:55,780
that's just so i think policy advisory i don't think there's much difference i don't know

1715
02:16:55,780 --> 02:17:00,220
i mean i'm just going to notice yeah for conversation i mean if you all think it's okay the way it is

1716
02:17:00,900 --> 02:17:06,680
but uh yeah i apologize he's not law that's just how we conduct business in the

1717
02:17:06,680 --> 02:17:13,240
Congress of plan is an advisory okay i don't know if it's right off has anything to add on that or

1718
02:17:16,180 --> 02:17:23,620
regardless of what the complaint says uh the Virginia code uh says that a comprehensive plan

1719
02:17:23,620 --> 02:17:31,600
is an advisory document, you know, for the purpose of guiding and accomplishing development,

1720
02:17:32,020 --> 02:17:37,580
it's general in nature. So nothing we can say in the in the comp plan is going to change

1721
02:17:37,580 --> 02:17:41,220
what the Virginia code says the comp plan does. Okay,

1722
02:17:44,560 --> 02:17:51,300
anything else in the body wants to

1723
02:17:51,300 --> 02:17:54,960
question, and then I'd like to ask Mr. Pompey and possibly Ms. Hunter.

1724
02:17:55,880 --> 02:18:01,580
You mentioned in our report, we talked about there were some things outstanding issues

1725
02:18:01,580 --> 02:18:02,640
in one of the items.

1726
02:18:03,240 --> 02:18:07,300
It was General Land, he was planned, happens to be the neighborhood commercial.

1727
02:18:08,080 --> 02:18:12,440
Do we need to take an action on that or just basically go along with that and I'm talking

1728
02:18:12,440 --> 02:18:15,040
over at the Metabridge Road Shady Grove area?

1729
02:18:16,360 --> 02:18:18,860
And there are plans for over there.

1730
02:18:18,860 --> 02:18:25,120
There's been a neighborhood community meeting they are definitely I attended that and they're in favor of that.

1731
02:18:25,400 --> 02:18:33,540
So because it's listed in here as a outstanding issue, is that something we still need to at least acknowledge that we want to do that?

1732
02:18:35,120 --> 02:18:42,620
Yes, I think as you make the motion when you decide to take your vote on the comprehensive plan, that should be one of the items at that time.

1733
02:18:42,940 --> 02:18:43,200
Yes, sir.

1734
02:18:43,200 --> 02:18:43,900
Okay.

1735
02:18:45,720 --> 02:18:47,880
Anything else on the comp update?

1736
02:18:48,280 --> 02:18:49,560
If not, thank you very much, sir.

1737
02:18:50,060 --> 02:18:52,040
Thank you.

1738
02:18:52,820 --> 02:18:56,420
Make those few changes, and then we will, as a commission,

1739
02:18:56,560 --> 02:18:58,400
pick air vote on the next week.

1740
02:18:58,940 --> 02:19:01,820
So we're going to move it here to the service manager policy.

1741
02:19:02,340 --> 02:19:04,360
Can I repeat back what you would like to say?

1742
02:19:04,360 --> 02:19:04,840
Yes, sir.

1743
02:19:06,080 --> 02:19:09,140
For the buffers, come up with something that kind of blends

1744
02:19:09,140 --> 02:19:16,880
the width flexibility with the language we included in the staff report, and then modify the

1745
02:19:16,880 --> 02:19:20,720
map to add that neighborhood commercial in the southeast corner of Medabridge Road and

1746
02:19:20,720 --> 02:19:25,900
Shady Grove to the business, and that's what we'll work on and make those changes for next

1747
02:19:25,900 --> 02:19:26,800
time.

1748
02:19:28,280 --> 02:19:28,840
Okay.

1749
02:19:29,260 --> 02:19:36,920
And I think we're also going to add language regarding the comp plan advertisement guidance.

1750
02:19:50,410 --> 02:19:58,050
If there's consensus to take old-tail graph road off, y'all can tell me that.

1751
02:20:01,070 --> 02:20:02,250
I'm okay with that.

1752
02:20:05,830 --> 02:20:05,950
All right.

1753
02:20:06,170 --> 02:20:07,830
We'll make the work on this for change.

1754
02:20:07,930 --> 02:20:10,670
I'll close off in a certain hurry anyway.

1755
02:20:10,670 --> 02:20:12,210
That's great because I'm in it.

1756
02:20:12,370 --> 02:20:14,370
Yeah, but you can get out on old key, right?

1757
02:20:14,550 --> 02:20:16,230
Which has a dangerous road too.

1758
02:20:17,070 --> 02:20:18,630
One other change is that we will look

1759
02:20:18,630 --> 02:20:21,650
at the suburban center, mixed use section,

1760
02:20:22,050 --> 02:20:25,490
and look at this language for phasing as well.

1761
02:20:25,690 --> 02:20:26,230
Thank you.

1762
02:20:26,610 --> 02:20:27,250
Yes, thank you.

1763
02:20:27,510 --> 02:20:27,850
Thank you.

1764
02:20:28,210 --> 02:20:31,430
All right, let's move ahead to the soul and energy policy.

1765
02:20:33,750 --> 02:20:35,490
And I think this honor is going to be.

1766
02:20:35,510 --> 02:20:40,090
If you do want to say that you're deferring your decision,

1767
02:20:40,090 --> 02:20:41,750
And you're closing this next week.

1768
02:20:42,150 --> 02:20:46,810
Yeah, if you're going to close the public hearing, I think we should have a vote from the commission

1769
02:20:46,810 --> 02:20:53,090
that they would be deferring the decision until August 17th.

1770
02:20:54,250 --> 02:20:55,470
All right.

1771
02:20:55,470 --> 02:20:56,650
So if I want to make that motion.

1772
02:20:57,770 --> 02:20:58,390
Mr. Abbott.

1773
02:20:59,490 --> 02:20:59,970
Second.

1774
02:21:00,590 --> 02:21:00,970
Second.

1775
02:21:01,830 --> 02:21:02,550
I'll second.

1776
02:21:02,890 --> 02:21:04,770
We're going to defer action on it until the 17th.

1777
02:21:04,830 --> 02:21:05,890
All my favor say aye.

1778
02:21:06,690 --> 02:21:06,970
Aye.

1779
02:21:06,970 --> 02:21:13,370
I would defer to the 1st of the 17th that I would recommend meeting.

1780
02:21:13,750 --> 02:21:13,930
Okay.

1781
02:21:14,490 --> 02:21:19,150
Then we're ready for the solar presentation.

1782
02:21:31,670 --> 02:21:33,190
Good evening members of the Planning Commission.

1783
02:21:33,310 --> 02:21:36,090
Joanne Hunter, Director of Community Development and Planning.

1784
02:21:36,930 --> 02:21:41,110
We presented the solar energy policy to the Planning Commission

1785
02:21:41,650 --> 02:21:46,410
at our last meeting and there were some changes in different items

1786
02:21:46,410 --> 02:21:49,810
that the Planning Commission asked us to take a look at.

1787
02:21:49,950 --> 02:21:51,890
I'm going to try to do the presentation.

1788
02:21:52,250 --> 02:21:55,930
It's much more scale-down version of what you saw last time.

1789
02:21:56,490 --> 02:22:01,170
However, all the changes that we have made or any of the questions that have come up

1790
02:22:01,170 --> 02:22:03,830
since the last meeting are going to be shown in red.

1791
02:22:04,590 --> 02:22:09,290
So this solar policy, the purpose is to provide guiding document

1792
02:22:09,290 --> 02:22:13,290
for the location of solar and energy facilities.

1793
02:22:13,290 --> 02:22:19,310
There are four different types of these facilities, the accessory, which is primarily what

1794
02:22:19,310 --> 02:22:22,070
you see at local homes and businesses.

1795
02:22:22,810 --> 02:22:28,710
We did add some clarifying language of how much kilowattage or megawatts are allowed with

1796
02:22:28,710 --> 02:22:30,010
each of these types of uses.

1797
02:22:30,570 --> 02:22:32,730
That would be limited to 25 kilowatts.

1798
02:22:33,170 --> 02:22:35,270
We had the solar energy supplementary.

1799
02:22:35,890 --> 02:22:39,050
That would be limited to two kilowatts of energy.

1800
02:22:39,050 --> 02:22:47,230
And then the solar energy facility, the wholesale one, would be by those of the larger ones,

1801
02:22:48,130 --> 02:22:52,550
generally the small scale, less than five megawatts, and larger scale utility scale,

1802
02:22:52,990 --> 02:22:54,730
and then their battery energy and storage.

1803
02:22:55,290 --> 02:23:00,050
So again, the first one is what you would typically think of as what you see on people's

1804
02:23:00,750 --> 02:23:04,370
residential businesses, roofs, or ground mounted.

1805
02:23:04,370 --> 02:23:08,690
And the state code does require these to be by use by right use.

1806
02:23:09,370 --> 02:23:16,770
We did add that the clarify that the roof mount was 12 inches at maximum tilt, and these

1807
02:23:16,770 --> 02:23:19,870
would be allowed in all zoning districts by right.

1808
02:23:21,090 --> 02:23:27,830
The supplemental one, this would be up to two megawatts and canonic seed, 10% of property

1809
02:23:27,830 --> 02:23:28,910
or more than 10 acres.

1810
02:23:28,910 --> 02:23:34,550
These are allowed in commercial industrial districts and also on farms.

1811
02:23:35,610 --> 02:23:41,330
These are, you see in some locations, like if you've seen the Sauer Center in downtown Richmond,

1812
02:23:41,810 --> 02:23:46,210
they have the solar panels in the parking lot that actually provide shade for the cars.

1813
02:23:46,730 --> 02:23:51,350
These would be these types of uses or if you see a lot of farms.

1814
02:23:51,710 --> 02:23:57,190
And now we were in one that Charlottesville that it was a winery and it was completely solar operated

1815
02:23:57,190 --> 02:24:01,010
through the solar panels that just served their property.

1816
02:24:01,570 --> 02:24:04,130
And it does allow some to go back to the grid as well.

1817
02:24:04,750 --> 02:24:06,670
We did add some language in there,

1818
02:24:06,670 --> 02:24:08,690
which came up from the Planning Commission

1819
02:24:08,690 --> 02:24:13,790
that this would be if they wanted to have it either higher than 12 feet.

1820
02:24:13,810 --> 02:24:16,950
If it's ground mounted or 12 inches on the roof mounted,

1821
02:24:17,070 --> 02:24:19,330
that they could apply for a special exception.

1822
02:24:19,470 --> 02:24:22,510
And I think that was a concern raised by one of the Planning Commissioners.

1823
02:24:23,290 --> 02:24:26,510
The next area is what people consider solar farms.

1824
02:24:26,510 --> 02:24:33,070
Those are where the principle use of the property is to generate solar electricity.

1825
02:24:33,910 --> 02:24:41,730
There were three different categories before utility scale, community scale and small scale.

1826
02:24:42,590 --> 02:24:50,250
Taking a look at it, there was concerns raised by people from the state that we shouldn't use the term community scale,

1827
02:24:50,250 --> 02:24:55,490
because that could be confused with some other language that is used in the solar

1828
02:24:55,490 --> 02:24:56,050
industry.

1829
02:24:56,630 --> 02:25:00,530
And then that taking a look at it, we saw that the standards were the same for the

1830
02:25:00,530 --> 02:25:02,850
community scale and the utility scale.

1831
02:25:03,190 --> 02:25:08,090
So we've just narrowed it down to two categories, utility scale, which would be five

1832
02:25:08,090 --> 02:25:09,210
megawatts or greater.

1833
02:25:10,210 --> 02:25:13,710
And then the small scale, which is five megawatts or less.

1834
02:25:16,330 --> 02:25:18,290
Could you go back to that screen?

1835
02:25:19,110 --> 02:25:22,890
I thought it should be greater than 20 meter watts.

1836
02:25:23,710 --> 02:25:28,910
So it used to be the community scale, which was between 5 and 20.

1837
02:25:29,830 --> 02:25:32,690
And we've combined it now just to two categories.

1838
02:25:33,090 --> 02:25:37,630
We could consider keeping that community scale and changing the name of it if the commission

1839
02:25:37,630 --> 02:25:44,150
like that, but the standards were the same for both the community scale and the UTLD scale.

1840
02:25:49,130 --> 02:25:54,470
Based on some of the comments that we had received from our citizens, under the citing

1841
02:25:54,470 --> 02:26:03,370
locations, we did add that the areas could be considered throughout the county except for

1842
02:26:03,370 --> 02:26:11,390
which previously had been in their areas designated for commercial and industrial uses in the

1843
02:26:11,390 --> 02:26:17,390
and natural conservation areas, and also agricultural and forestal districts, and those

1844
02:26:17,390 --> 02:26:20,110
were made to the small scale as well.

1845
02:26:21,850 --> 02:26:27,750
We did add these additional evaluation considerations based on the citizen comments that we

1846
02:26:27,750 --> 02:26:34,350
got, that when you're evaluating these facilities, that facilities that are currently

1847
02:26:34,350 --> 02:26:41,330
forced it are discouraged for soul facilities and an adjacency to scenic roads, federal and

1848
02:26:41,330 --> 02:26:46,450
county parks, national registered historic districts are discouraged without additional mitigation

1849
02:26:46,450 --> 02:26:52,430
measures to address impacts. So those were added to our evaluation criteria as we were

1850
02:26:52,430 --> 02:26:58,870
reviewing locations through the conditionally used permit process. There was a standard in there

1851
02:26:58,870 --> 02:27:06,630
that it was a 100-foot setback from a property line and a 150-feet if there was an occupied

1852
02:27:06,630 --> 02:27:07,510
home.

1853
02:27:07,510 --> 02:27:15,730
I think we received concerns that it shouldn't be whether a home is not or not, so it was

1854
02:27:15,730 --> 02:27:21,910
changed to 150 from property line, regardless of whether it's next to an existing home or

1855
02:27:21,910 --> 02:27:22,610
not.

1856
02:27:22,610 --> 02:27:29,630
Um, clarified that it's 100 foot set back from RPA wetlands and streams and 50 feet for all other wetlands.

1857
02:27:30,070 --> 02:27:33,210
Um, there is a 100 foot landscape buffer requirement.

1858
02:27:34,010 --> 02:27:36,150
The height is limited to 20 feet.

1859
02:27:36,730 --> 02:27:39,570
Um, and then underground utilities was talked about.

1860
02:27:39,650 --> 02:27:40,950
This is any new lines.

1861
02:27:41,710 --> 02:27:47,310
Um, added that financial considerations should not be the sole reason for not placing the lines underground,

1862
02:27:47,570 --> 02:27:49,950
which was a recommendation by the planning commission.

1863
02:27:49,950 --> 02:27:58,110
These also have design standards for utility and small scale facilities, which would require security

1864
02:27:58,110 --> 02:28:01,850
fencing, lighting, which would be full cut off.

1865
02:28:02,250 --> 02:28:07,550
The land disturbance would be limited to 100 acres at a time with requirement of a supervision

1866
02:28:07,550 --> 02:28:10,450
of a third party at all times.

1867
02:28:11,190 --> 02:28:17,250
Facing plan would be required if the property was going to be developed in fasing, and then

1868
02:28:17,250 --> 02:28:23,570
some detailed information on decommissioning and removal of these projects after their natural

1869
02:28:24,250 --> 02:28:29,530
life, which would include bonding for all the costs to do that.

1870
02:28:29,590 --> 02:28:35,730
We developed some environmental considerations for the solar facilities to avoid disturbance

1871
02:28:35,730 --> 02:28:41,570
of resource protection areas, wetlands and floodplains, protect the repairing buffers,

1872
02:28:41,570 --> 02:28:46,930
to prepare a threatened and endangered species screen from the Department of Wildlife

1873
02:28:46,930 --> 02:28:52,470
Service and then special consideration to be given when adjacent to cultural and

1874
02:28:52,470 --> 02:28:53,770
historic resources.

1875
02:28:55,690 --> 02:28:58,750
This is for battery energy storage.

1876
02:28:59,130 --> 02:29:04,330
We do already allow these in the county that was an ordinance that was approved in late

1877
02:29:04,330 --> 02:29:10,550
2022 and they may be considered only in the agricultural and industrial districts.

1878
02:29:10,550 --> 02:29:17,530
the policy requires they avoid residentially-zoned areas to minimize the disturbance on

1879
02:29:17,530 --> 02:29:22,830
prime agricultural soils and cultural resources, and then there's information on

1880
02:29:22,830 --> 02:29:30,430
setbacks, buffers, public safety and training for our fire and MS officers, and then

1881
02:29:30,430 --> 02:29:35,910
also decommissioning as well. There are some financial considerations related to these

1882
02:29:35,910 --> 02:29:43,390
types of uses. We have determined that we would be using the machinery and tools tax to tax

1883
02:29:43,390 --> 02:29:49,410
these uses. There are two different options that a locality could use that would be a revenue

1884
02:29:49,410 --> 02:29:57,770
share which would allow you to charge up to $1,400 per megawatt. However, we took a look at

1885
02:29:57,770 --> 02:29:59,730
an existing project within the county.

1886
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:05,500
And determined that the machinery and tools tax was financially favorable to the county.

1887
02:30:06,780 --> 02:30:18,160
The larger utility scale projects, which are greater than five megawatts, can also provide a one time financial payment to the county.

1888
02:30:18,640 --> 02:30:27,260
The reasoning for the payment is identified in the state code and it's pretty broad language that anything within our budget.

1889
02:30:27,260 --> 02:30:31,160
It could be used for broadband various different things.

1890
02:30:31,480 --> 02:30:38,460
We did a pretty detailed analysis and formula to determine what that per megawatt cost should

1891
02:30:38,460 --> 02:30:44,540
be and with the focus on broadband and public safety.

1892
02:30:45,320 --> 02:30:55,240
So we have determined the fee would be $23,430 per megawatt, so if we came in with a 10 megawatt

1893
02:30:55,240 --> 02:31:01,720
facility we would work with the developer of this facility to prepare a

1894
02:31:01,720 --> 02:31:11,120
sighting agreement and that would be $230,000 that would go as a one-time

1895
02:31:11,120 --> 02:31:16,560
payment. They would be required sighting agreements are required for all these

1896
02:31:16,560 --> 02:31:20,860
facilities that are greater than five megawatts. We would want them to meet with

1897
02:31:20,860 --> 02:31:28,120
the county and at least have a drafting agreement in place prior to the public hearing that these

1898
02:31:28,120 --> 02:31:33,320
uses would require conditional use permit and then they would be ultimately approved by the

1899
02:31:33,320 --> 02:31:38,660
Board of Supervisors at the same time as the conditionally used permit. The funding with the

1900
02:31:38,660 --> 02:31:47,600
for the permit megawatt fee would be a starting point. We also also put in the policy that if there

1901
02:31:47,600 --> 02:31:54,480
other capital projects that are nearby the facility where the facility is be located that

1902
02:31:54,480 --> 02:32:02,620
they should also be considered as potential additional payment for locating near those facilities.

1903
02:32:03,480 --> 02:32:10,160
The megawatt fee would be analyzed every three years and would be subject to a yearly increase.

1904
02:32:11,340 --> 02:32:16,580
The outstanding issues that I think they were down to about four of them that we would

1905
02:32:16,580 --> 02:32:26,160
I'd like to get clarification on, and these were all one that the Planning Commission has shared their comments with us since the last one, which was the purpose of the deferral.

1906
02:32:27,200 --> 02:32:44,300
So I think the major question is right now, all of the utility facilities, which is the small, which is up to five megawatts, and the five megawatts are greater,

1907
02:32:44,300 --> 02:32:52,260
are allowed anywhere in the county, does the planning commission feel that only the small ones,

1908
02:32:52,360 --> 02:32:58,200
five megawatts, or less, should be allowed in the SSA, or is it appropriate to have the

1909
02:32:58,200 --> 02:33:04,220
larger facilities, which could be several hundred acres be allowed in this urban service area.

1910
02:33:04,220 --> 02:33:09,360
So that's a key decision point that we'd like to get direction from the planning commission.

1911
02:33:09,360 --> 02:33:16,940
And the second decision point was there was concern raised that right now the policy says

1912
02:33:16,940 --> 02:33:20,500
that the no facility can be larger than 1,000 acres.

1913
02:33:21,640 --> 02:33:26,620
Some planning commission members have felt that that was too large so we would like some

1914
02:33:26,620 --> 02:33:29,500
clarification and decision points on that.

1915
02:33:31,280 --> 02:33:39,340
Previous policy that had gone to the community development committee and to the Board of

1916
02:33:39,340 --> 02:33:43,520
have specific language in there stating that you couldn't

1917
02:33:43,520 --> 02:33:46,000
cluster the facilities and there had to be a distant

1918
02:33:46,000 --> 02:33:49,140
separation of three miles between those facilities.

1919
02:33:50,140 --> 02:33:52,480
When the community development committee, which is

1920
02:33:52,480 --> 02:33:55,820
subcommittee of the Board of Supervisors, reviewed the

1921
02:33:55,820 --> 02:34:00,620
policy, they felt like that there was the three miles

1922
02:34:00,620 --> 02:34:04,500
was arbitrary that there's no basis on where we came up

1923
02:34:04,500 --> 02:34:08,220
with that three miles and that they felt that there

1924
02:34:08,220 --> 02:34:13,880
should be some flexibility on a case by case basis to allow to review it.

1925
02:34:13,880 --> 02:34:19,320
It is a conditionally-use permit, so if there's too many in the area, the planning commission

1926
02:34:19,320 --> 02:34:25,160
in board would have that opportunity to not approve that conditionally-use permit, but they

1927
02:34:25,160 --> 02:34:27,800
wanted to have that flexibility in the policy.

1928
02:34:28,500 --> 02:34:34,980
And the last one is the land disturbance being limited to no more than 100 acres at a time

1929
02:34:34,980 --> 02:34:38,300
with full stabilization prior to a new section.

1930
02:34:39,060 --> 02:34:42,300
There has been in-ask concerns with these facilities

1931
02:34:42,940 --> 02:34:43,960
in the past.

1932
02:34:44,260 --> 02:34:47,320
The county does require through this policy

1933
02:34:48,040 --> 02:34:50,120
and which would include it in the ordinance

1934
02:34:50,120 --> 02:34:52,700
that a third party inspection and monitoring

1935
02:34:52,700 --> 02:34:55,000
for E&M Resonance sediment control

1936
02:34:55,000 --> 02:34:56,500
would also need to occur.

1937
02:34:56,660 --> 02:34:58,780
And I do want to point out that the Department

1938
02:34:58,780 --> 02:35:02,380
of Environmental Quality has recently changed its standards

1939
02:35:02,380 --> 02:35:09,800
back in 2022 to require the solar projects to meet more stringent requirements due to the

1940
02:35:09,800 --> 02:35:18,340
ENS concerns that have occurred statewide and throughout the country, honestly. And so previously

1941
02:35:18,340 --> 02:35:24,300
solar facilities were not considered impervious. They are now considered impervious through

1942
02:35:24,300 --> 02:35:30,280
DQ so they do have to meet stringent more stringent erosion and sentiment control measures.

1943
02:35:30,280 --> 02:35:36,970
We are asking that the Planning Commission to provide those feedback on those areas.

1944
02:35:37,410 --> 02:35:41,090
We would like to provide the recommendation to the Board of Supervisors.

1945
02:35:41,250 --> 02:35:47,170
Once the Board of Supervisors is here this, we will incorporate this policy language into

1946
02:35:47,170 --> 02:35:48,730
the comprehensive plan.

1947
02:35:49,530 --> 02:35:55,930
And then also there would be ordinance amendments moving forward related to the policy to allow

1948
02:35:55,930 --> 02:35:57,970
these uses within the zoning code.

1949
02:35:57,970 --> 02:36:02,990
I'll be happy to answer any questions, and I'm going to leave the slide up with a decision

1950
02:36:02,990 --> 02:36:06,330
point and look forward to hearing your feedback.

1951
02:36:07,010 --> 02:36:07,650
Thank you.

1952
02:36:21,510 --> 02:36:23,090
Public comment period.

1953
02:36:23,430 --> 02:36:25,710
There's no requirement for public hearing.

1954
02:36:27,450 --> 02:36:29,150
It's one commission's discretion.

1955
02:36:29,390 --> 02:36:35,350
Yeah, one quick question, and this concerns the email I forwarded to you today from Mr.

1956
02:36:35,350 --> 02:36:42,290
to act in some, and he talked about trying to get about a definition for clustering.

1957
02:36:45,780 --> 02:36:49,510
What exactly is this clustering or adequate spacing mean?

1958
02:36:52,710 --> 02:37:00,850
And like I had pointed out, we had in the original policy, it specifically said three miles.

1959
02:37:02,170 --> 02:37:04,390
The board asked us to remove that.

1960
02:37:04,390 --> 02:37:15,430
So the planning commission can recommend to the board that they put it back in, there is no correct number is three miles to close is at 3.5 miles.

1961
02:37:15,570 --> 02:37:17,050
There is no exact number.

1962
02:37:18,030 --> 02:37:32,190
But I think it's bringing this up in the policy is something that a tool that you can use as your evaluating a conditional use permit application if it's one that's next door to another one,

1963
02:37:32,190 --> 02:37:36,850
our mile may only be a mile and a half way and you might feel like that's much for that

1964
02:37:36,850 --> 02:37:41,970
particular road. And I think that was what the concern was is using that artificial

1965
02:37:41,970 --> 02:37:47,350
three-mile standard, what was the right setback, our distance.

1966
02:37:49,270 --> 02:38:02,170
And one thing I won't clarify is that the $23,000 fee per megawatt is that one time fee

1967
02:38:02,170 --> 02:38:04,410
a one-time payment to the Council.

1968
02:38:05,490 --> 02:38:12,690
So the end-exing to the CPI, the 23 and change that's recommended in now, that's what

1969
02:38:12,690 --> 02:38:18,670
would be the county policy, once the compound is assuming it's approved by the Board of

1970
02:38:18,670 --> 02:38:25,970
Supervisors and its implemented, that would be the 23,000 for 12 months and then that 23,000

1971
02:38:25,970 --> 02:38:32,850
would then go up based on what the CPI is for anyone who had applications subsequent to that

1972
02:38:32,850 --> 02:38:34,470
12 month period for the next 12 months.

1973
02:38:34,830 --> 02:38:35,010
Correct.

1974
02:38:35,110 --> 02:38:41,370
And we have been there that we would evaluate and relook at the formula every member of

1975
02:38:41,370 --> 02:38:48,050
his three years or five years, every three years, so that as the capital projects in the

1976
02:38:48,050 --> 02:38:49,110
model would change.

1977
02:38:49,230 --> 02:38:49,470
Okay.

1978
02:38:49,690 --> 02:38:52,410
I just want to make sure we're clear on that.

1979
02:38:53,350 --> 02:38:55,650
Comments questions from commissioners.

1980
02:38:58,450 --> 02:39:00,910
I just, Mr. McGee, go ahead.

1981
02:39:01,350 --> 02:39:01,990
Appreciate that.

1982
02:39:02,310 --> 02:39:07,270
This is not a big deal, but I know my friend Commissioner Whitaker had commented a few

1983
02:39:07,270 --> 02:39:12,630
times about maintenance and upkeep of the large fields like the grass getting tall.

1984
02:39:12,770 --> 02:39:18,570
I mean, is anything we can do to make sure they look nice or the grass is called or

1985
02:39:18,570 --> 02:39:21,870
maintained or is that nothing we can really do?

1986
02:39:22,770 --> 02:39:37,350
We can add some language in there and we can work look at work with the county attorney's office to see if we can add some language when we actually do the ordinance about maintenance or something like that.

1987
02:39:37,690 --> 02:39:41,370
I think we can certainly add that type of language to the ordinance.

1988
02:39:43,550 --> 02:39:45,630
Thank you, Mr. Abbott.

1989
02:39:48,670 --> 02:39:55,950
On the one-time fee, if they were to come into the retrofit, the whole farm again, does that

1990
02:39:55,950 --> 02:39:56,890
fee apply again?

1991
02:39:58,670 --> 02:40:00,650
If they were just replacing panels?

1992
02:40:01,310 --> 02:40:09,730
My concern is the technology I've brought this up before, if the panels are 50 watt, just throw

1993
02:40:09,730 --> 02:40:10,690
a number out there.

1994
02:40:10,690 --> 02:40:14,670
And then they have a panel now that can do 100 watts

1995
02:40:14,670 --> 02:40:17,750
in the same footprint, and they come in and replace all the things.

1996
02:40:19,110 --> 02:40:21,630
Do we charge them, or do we care about that?

1997
02:40:21,670 --> 02:40:22,850
Do we charge them for it?

1998
02:40:23,170 --> 02:40:25,070
So when they do the conditional use permit,

1999
02:40:25,290 --> 02:40:26,690
they'll have a concept plan.

2000
02:40:26,690 --> 02:40:29,330
And if their concept plan remains the same,

2001
02:40:30,190 --> 02:40:32,690
then we would not go back and recharge them.

2002
02:40:32,910 --> 02:40:39,430
However, the tax would change because, and that's one of the things

2003
02:40:39,430 --> 02:40:45,790
is that the, the tax, the machinery and tools tax, one of the reasons why it was more viable

2004
02:40:45,790 --> 02:40:52,010
option is because there could be potential for changes over time. But if there was something

2005
02:40:52,010 --> 02:40:58,770
that they were increasing the wattage, then they would have to amend their conditional use

2006
02:40:58,770 --> 02:41:01,590
permit and we could look at a fee at that point.

2007
02:41:01,590 --> 02:41:05,850
Okay, I'll just comment on these so we can get good.

2008
02:41:06,330 --> 02:41:11,270
And I guess one other thing that I did not put on the slide,

2009
02:41:11,450 --> 02:41:13,350
but Mr. Glid Better did bring it up.

2010
02:41:13,690 --> 02:41:16,390
We did have that median medium scale one,

2011
02:41:16,590 --> 02:41:18,270
which was five to 20 acres.

2012
02:41:19,110 --> 02:41:21,770
So I'd like to feedback if you prefer those three.

2013
02:41:21,910 --> 02:41:22,750
I'm 20 megawatts.

2014
02:41:23,110 --> 02:41:24,490
Five to, yeah, what did I say?

2015
02:41:24,530 --> 02:41:25,210
Thank you.

2016
02:41:26,210 --> 02:41:27,070
Been a long night.

2017
02:41:28,110 --> 02:41:29,890
Whether you like that small medium large,

2018
02:41:29,890 --> 02:41:31,730
for if you just like small and large.

2019
02:41:34,790 --> 02:41:36,430
On the things that we have to decide,

2020
02:41:36,770 --> 02:41:38,850
I think.

2021
02:41:39,090 --> 02:41:41,110
There's a thousand acres too big.

2022
02:41:42,790 --> 02:41:44,290
And, you know, what's the difference.

2023
02:41:45,350 --> 02:41:47,530
The, the, the, this is between the other one.

2024
02:41:48,330 --> 02:41:50,730
If we, if we say, yes, a thousand acres too big

2025
02:41:50,730 --> 02:41:54,270
and they're, and they're coming with 500 acres

2026
02:41:54,270 --> 02:41:56,350
and then coming right next to us,

2027
02:41:56,450 --> 02:41:59,390
but another 500 acre, so I don't know how we can have

2028
02:42:00,770 --> 02:42:04,430
one without the other is my point.

2029
02:42:04,870 --> 02:42:08,310
I don't think there's got to be a minimum distance

2030
02:42:08,310 --> 02:42:11,790
or a minimum consecutive, I don't know.

2031
02:42:13,210 --> 02:42:15,250
But is it a thousand acres too big?

2032
02:42:15,810 --> 02:42:17,330
That sounds like a lot to me.

2033
02:42:18,670 --> 02:42:19,910
I think it's too big for the SS.

2034
02:42:25,470 --> 02:42:25,590
Yeah.

2035
02:42:25,910 --> 02:42:28,970
If you don't mind, maybe we should kind of go in order

2036
02:42:28,970 --> 02:42:30,090
or do we want to?

2037
02:42:30,470 --> 02:42:34,130
So first of all, do you like the small meeting in large

2038
02:42:34,130 --> 02:42:42,690
the small march. Do you like having that medium scale? You're saying though that the guidelines

2039
02:42:42,690 --> 02:42:49,410
are the same for the medium and the large. Yes. So other than the name, there's no duplicions.

2040
02:42:50,890 --> 02:42:57,130
Less for average? I think that's okay. Anybody else have a comment on that part? They're

2041
02:42:57,130 --> 02:42:57,370
Okay.

2042
02:42:59,190 --> 02:42:59,490
Yep.

2043
02:43:00,170 --> 02:43:00,410
For now.

2044
02:43:01,370 --> 02:43:01,550
Okay.

2045
02:43:02,550 --> 02:43:10,430
And then, right now, you can do the large or small within the suburban service area.

2046
02:43:11,990 --> 02:43:16,310
There are concerns that, you know, if you have a large one within the suburban service

2047
02:43:16,310 --> 02:43:24,190
area that you are taking up land that is designated for a growth area, it would make the next

2048
02:43:24,190 --> 02:43:27,470
person have to extend utility lines much longer.

2049
02:43:27,970 --> 02:43:33,250
On the flip side of that, some of the positive is that we less growth in the suburban

2050
02:43:33,250 --> 02:43:40,930
service area, which could have be good or bad, depending on if that balancing of all

2051
02:43:40,930 --> 02:43:41,370
the interest.

2052
02:43:41,450 --> 02:43:46,690
Which, theoretically, could potentially, as some point in time down the road, consider

2053
02:43:46,690 --> 02:43:49,690
have to push the suburban service area out.

2054
02:43:50,450 --> 02:43:50,910
That is right.

2055
02:43:50,910 --> 02:43:52,050
Which is not popular.

2056
02:43:53,430 --> 02:43:54,250
I'm in agreement with that.

2057
02:43:54,250 --> 02:43:58,070
I don't think anything over five should be in the suburban service area.

2058
02:43:59,170 --> 02:43:59,750
I agree with that.

2059
02:44:00,150 --> 02:44:02,690
Can I ask a quick question on that?

2060
02:44:03,530 --> 02:44:04,810
We talk about five megawatts.

2061
02:44:04,950 --> 02:44:06,750
What's the size of something like that?

2062
02:44:07,530 --> 02:44:09,090
How many acres would that?

2063
02:44:10,590 --> 02:44:13,150
That's about, usually about 50 acres.

2064
02:44:13,150 --> 02:44:20,270
have it in the very beginning here or maybe I took it out of that slide. So five megawatts would

2065
02:44:20,270 --> 02:44:33,750
be about 50-50-75 acres. Some of the ones that are the larger ones are, you know, 6-800 acres

2066
02:44:33,750 --> 02:44:40,010
and he really large. So if you took 800 acres in the Spurven Service area that would be pretty

2067
02:44:40,810 --> 02:44:50,490
50 acres in the SSA is pretty big too. I'm not sure, I like anything in there, but that's just my opinion.

2068
02:44:51,690 --> 02:44:55,070
I don't, I don't, I don't want to see solar in the SSA at all.

2069
02:44:56,840 --> 02:44:59,960
We'll have a, you know, protecting the SSA.

2070
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:10,060
Let's say if you, whatever you let them put in now, as soon as you're going to be at, we're back asking people to expand the SSA, and we all though that's not popular at all.

2071
02:45:10,980 --> 02:45:17,160
So anything you give up in there, it just makes it that much closer to being able to do that.

2072
02:45:20,980 --> 02:45:24,740
Do we have any requests on the board right now within the SSA?

2073
02:45:25,240 --> 02:45:26,180
Yes, we do.

2074
02:45:26,180 --> 02:45:34,040
We do. We have a proposal for if believe it's 800 acres within the SSA.

2075
02:45:37,990 --> 02:45:41,930
In my opinion, those projects can get met with a lot of opposition.

2076
02:45:42,510 --> 02:45:45,530
And I think it's going to be a waste of time on everybody's part.

2077
02:45:46,950 --> 02:45:53,550
I, Chairman, I agree now. I think about with, must Mr. Abbott saying,

2078
02:45:53,550 --> 02:46:01,850
I, I think to be a real problem there, 50 acre, you just don't have 50 acres to be able to do that.

2079
02:46:02,170 --> 02:46:05,130
And it's going to definitely be a domino effect.

2080
02:46:06,750 --> 02:46:12,810
So I'm hearing definitely know utility scale, SSA, which are the greater than 5 megawatts.

2081
02:46:13,050 --> 02:46:21,930
And then I've heard two, it's no, not even the small scale, 5 megawatts or less in SSA.

2082
02:46:23,270 --> 02:46:25,750
I don't know that I have a problem with that.

2083
02:46:25,970 --> 02:46:28,530
You may have some lands not conducive to build on,

2084
02:46:28,970 --> 02:46:31,150
so it may be appropriate on something like that,

2085
02:46:31,430 --> 02:46:35,560
but I don't, it doesn't make a whole lot of difference to me.

2086
02:46:35,880 --> 02:46:38,880
I just don't want to see the large acreage

2087
02:46:38,880 --> 02:46:41,940
to get taken up, and then the suburban service area

2088
02:46:41,940 --> 02:46:43,580
have to be expanded into the rule,

2089
02:46:43,660 --> 02:46:45,940
because we know everybody does not want that.

2090
02:46:46,480 --> 02:46:51,560
So, are you saying that you'd like to see nothing

2091
02:46:51,560 --> 02:46:57,780
within the SSA. I mean let's get some princesses for one on this.

2092
02:46:58,520 --> 02:47:02,800
How many acres would they five on the five if it was five if it was five

2093
02:47:02,800 --> 02:47:08,480
like a watch? I'm going to say 50 or 75 but I'm going to look at my my industry

2094
02:47:08,480 --> 02:47:15,580
well it's a we have about 50 to 75 acres for less of five acres per

2095
02:47:15,580 --> 02:47:23,040
megawap so could be 25 acres in that could vary and that would depend

2096
02:47:23,040 --> 02:47:25,520
on the currently and being perfectly flat.

2097
02:47:25,660 --> 02:47:27,460
I don't want to worry because things like that.

2098
02:47:27,580 --> 02:47:29,920
I mean, I personally wouldn't have problem with 25 acres.

2099
02:47:30,960 --> 02:47:31,740
I would probably worry.

2100
02:47:31,960 --> 02:47:33,260
But I wouldn't have 25.

2101
02:47:34,180 --> 02:47:37,600
I'd like 25 be fine, but an applicant bring it.

2102
02:47:37,880 --> 02:47:41,140
If it's a major opposition, you know, it's not.

2103
02:47:41,320 --> 02:47:42,120
I get done there.

2104
02:47:42,280 --> 02:47:44,840
Well, you have to remember some veneer of substation, anyway.

2105
02:47:45,580 --> 02:47:47,500
Because they came forward to run the lands.

2106
02:47:48,040 --> 02:47:48,280
Right.

2107
02:47:48,440 --> 02:47:50,440
Both are small, look like that.

2108
02:47:51,640 --> 02:47:51,760
Okay.

2109
02:47:51,760 --> 02:47:57,340
the other thing is on the five megawatt within the SSA.

2110
02:47:57,880 --> 02:48:00,320
I just want to make sure that we're at the end of the day.

2111
02:48:00,340 --> 02:48:06,760
The five megawatt, you said we would take about 50 acres, 25, 25, 25, 25 acres, okay.

2112
02:48:07,800 --> 02:48:11,620
That would be permitted in the SSA, nothing bigger than that, but then the SSA is what we're saying.

2113
02:48:12,680 --> 02:48:18,000
Okay, the only common I think I could be okay with 25 acres on the common I would have

2114
02:48:18,000 --> 02:48:22,120
is I don't want to, I don't want things running together, I don't want somebody coming

2115
02:48:22,120 --> 02:48:28,560
the next day and say, I want this 25 acres to do the same dang thing, so I think we've got to figure that out too.

2116
02:48:30,220 --> 02:48:35,300
So do you want to put a distance between them with an SSA and not outside of that SSA?

2117
02:48:37,380 --> 02:48:39,400
With a classroom comment, take care of that.

2118
02:48:40,040 --> 02:48:42,600
I think this kind of wants to stay in order.

2119
02:48:42,720 --> 02:48:44,600
Yeah, we're fine with that.

2120
02:48:45,480 --> 02:48:52,460
Can we put in there a number of the 25 acres?

2121
02:48:54,880 --> 02:49:01,240
I think it's a matter of visualizing what does that look like, you know, five megawatts.

2122
02:49:01,720 --> 02:49:07,740
I feel much better if it's, we say, no greater than 25 acres or something like that.

2123
02:49:07,960 --> 02:49:08,700
Do you think that says that?

2124
02:49:08,820 --> 02:49:09,580
Yes, I say.

2125
02:49:13,810 --> 02:49:21,710
And that would mean that you have the absolute perfect shape property and perfect typo and things like that.

2126
02:49:22,270 --> 02:49:26,950
And then that's another question I'll ask, because, well, I'm sorry, you had no idea.

2127
02:49:27,030 --> 02:49:27,630
I'd run on.

2128
02:49:28,090 --> 02:49:34,630
But to Mr. Ledbetter's point, if the property was undevelopable for buildings and things like that,

2129
02:49:34,850 --> 02:49:37,590
probably wouldn't be used for solar as well too, right?

2130
02:49:38,490 --> 02:49:39,550
Is that a fair assumption?

2131
02:49:43,240 --> 02:49:47,940
Well, if it was right beside a substation, you wouldn't want to build a home near that.

2132
02:49:48,900 --> 02:49:53,960
No, but what I'm saying is if you, what kind of conditions do we need to build this solar

2133
02:49:53,960 --> 02:50:01,160
form, does it have to be flat, does it have to be, and if it has to be flat, then why couldn't

2134
02:50:01,160 --> 02:50:07,000
we, just because it's next to a subsation? But now, I think we heard that they don't need

2135
02:50:07,000 --> 02:50:11,820
to be next to a subsation anymore. So that's also a concern.

2136
02:50:19,500 --> 02:50:20,360
Anybody else?

2137
02:50:26,840 --> 02:50:29,060
I'm not sure you

2138
02:50:31,140 --> 02:50:33,420
can, I'm not sure you can put the

2139
02:50:35,850 --> 02:50:37,250
25 acres, you know, if you

2140
02:50:37,250 --> 02:50:41,610
talk with an undevelopable way. I think the 25 acres is fine. And then I think it's going

2141
02:50:41,610 --> 02:50:45,790
up to a developer to the table and not even put it there or not.

2142
02:50:46,590 --> 02:50:49,890
I mean, if it's under developer way and he says I can do it, I mean, that's his

2143
02:50:49,890 --> 02:50:50,710
net goal.

2144
02:50:55,490 --> 02:51:00,550
So I'm able to cave with it up to 25 watts, that's just, again, you mean, 25 acres?

2145
02:51:00,650 --> 02:51:01,490
I mean, 25 acres?

2146
02:51:01,650 --> 02:51:02,130
I'm sorry, yeah.

2147
02:51:02,310 --> 02:51:03,390
Yeah, what does that rate for?

2148
02:51:03,850 --> 02:51:04,230
It's catching.

2149
02:51:04,530 --> 02:51:04,870
It's catching.

2150
02:51:04,870 --> 02:51:05,230
It's catching.

2151
02:51:05,330 --> 02:51:05,430
It's catching.

2152
02:51:05,430 --> 02:51:06,570
You can do it like that.

2153
02:51:09,600 --> 02:51:10,260
Any other comment?

2154
02:51:11,480 --> 02:51:12,080
Only other thing?

2155
02:51:12,080 --> 02:51:18,540
Well, I think we need to, I'll take it and discuss the, let's hear it.

2156
02:51:18,840 --> 02:51:20,860
Yeah, I just don't think we need to discuss the thousand acres.

2157
02:51:21,680 --> 02:51:22,300
Yeah, okay.

2158
02:51:24,140 --> 02:51:28,200
What, um, any suggestions on what that number should be?

2159
02:51:30,770 --> 02:51:31,850
Not a thousand.

2160
02:51:34,190 --> 02:51:35,030
Not a thousand.

2161
02:51:36,650 --> 02:51:37,550
Max, I would say.

2162
02:51:37,550 --> 02:51:40,530
Do you know what other, um, candies, other jurisdictions?

2163
02:51:40,530 --> 02:51:44,130
How do you know what restrictions they might have?

2164
02:51:46,070 --> 02:51:47,870
You know, it's wildly different.

2165
02:51:48,570 --> 02:51:52,950
Some localities have a maximum acreage for their entire county.

2166
02:51:53,730 --> 02:51:55,930
Some have different ones.

2167
02:51:56,370 --> 02:51:58,190
There is not a clear clear.

2168
02:51:58,210 --> 02:52:02,890
You know, a total maximum acreage or maximum per flight.

2169
02:52:03,730 --> 02:52:06,050
Total maximum for the entire county.

2170
02:52:06,230 --> 02:52:08,470
Some have total maximum for the site.

2171
02:52:08,470 --> 02:52:12,870
but it's there is, is this a such a new technology every local

2172
02:52:12,870 --> 02:52:17,110
these doing, dealing with it, but I don't think there's a correct number.

2173
02:52:20,070 --> 02:52:23,450
I think it's best to be conservative on this.

2174
02:52:23,470 --> 02:52:26,450
I think a thousand seems like a lot.

2175
02:52:26,570 --> 02:52:31,210
And if we need to adjust, this isn't, this isn't etched and stone.

2176
02:52:31,370 --> 02:52:35,690
We can revisit it, but it's a what number do you think?

2177
02:52:36,530 --> 02:52:39,450
I think this will happen, I said, five hundred vagus.

2178
02:52:40,130 --> 02:52:40,690
I got a question.

2179
02:52:40,990 --> 02:52:42,410
How big was broadcasts?

2180
02:52:42,710 --> 02:52:43,250
Two hundred.

2181
02:52:43,250 --> 02:52:43,670
Two hundred.

2182
02:52:44,090 --> 02:52:44,610
Two hundred.

2183
02:52:44,610 --> 02:52:44,890
Two hundred.

2184
02:52:45,310 --> 02:52:47,410
Two hundred.

2185
02:52:48,170 --> 02:52:49,750
And that's plenty big for me.

2186
02:52:53,080 --> 02:52:55,360
I would be in agreement with that for this plan.

2187
02:52:56,320 --> 02:52:57,060
Two hundred.

2188
02:52:57,800 --> 02:52:58,360
Two hundred.

2189
02:52:58,360 --> 02:52:58,580
Two hundred.

2190
02:52:59,500 --> 02:53:01,640
Two hundred.

2191
02:53:02,180 --> 02:53:02,780
Two hundred.

2192
02:53:02,980 --> 02:53:03,080
Two hundred.

2193
02:53:04,600 --> 02:53:05,800
Two hundred.

2194
02:53:05,800 --> 02:53:07,880
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking about.

2195
02:53:09,100 --> 02:53:12,960
It was bigger, they got a cup bigger,

2196
02:53:13,640 --> 02:53:15,220
thinking they were trying to hand over town.

2197
02:53:15,400 --> 02:53:16,840
They never found hand over town,

2198
02:53:17,000 --> 02:53:18,660
so they reduced the cup down to like,

2199
02:53:18,760 --> 02:53:20,400
two, 16, or something.

2200
02:53:22,280 --> 02:53:23,440
What do you know about the megawatts post?

2201
02:53:23,580 --> 02:53:25,460
So the owner put in something like 250.

2202
02:53:26,320 --> 02:53:27,340
I'm gonna just give her a number.

2203
02:53:29,430 --> 02:53:31,270
That's five hundred to two, I have about 250.

2204
02:53:31,490 --> 02:53:32,370
I said 250.

2205
02:53:33,350 --> 02:53:34,230
I'm okay with that.

2206
02:53:34,570 --> 02:53:35,270
Okay, it's 250.

2207
02:53:35,910 --> 02:53:36,110
Okay.

2208
02:53:36,730 --> 02:53:38,350
It's the last bottle you'll get with that.

2209
02:53:39,350 --> 02:53:39,450
Yes.

2210
02:53:39,450 --> 02:53:40,830
Look, it's the water come.

2211
02:53:41,830 --> 02:53:42,030
Yes.

2212
02:53:44,140 --> 02:53:45,300
And then what about the clustering?

2213
02:53:45,720 --> 02:53:49,600
Because they talk about putting them in across the street on 360.

2214
02:53:49,900 --> 02:53:51,920
So what are we, yes, they are.

2215
02:53:52,120 --> 02:53:53,420
What are we going to address that in broad?

2216
02:53:53,480 --> 02:53:54,920
That's outstanding issue out there.

2217
02:53:55,040 --> 02:53:55,740
They already have the project.

2218
02:53:55,740 --> 02:53:57,720
Well, they have the project that turned down.

2219
02:53:57,820 --> 02:53:58,980
You have the number two.

2220
02:54:02,460 --> 02:54:06,780
So would we prohibit one from going on the other side of 360?

2221
02:54:07,860 --> 02:54:10,000
Well, I don't like the idea of it being

2222
02:54:10,000 --> 02:54:13,740
I think within the, as I say, that, that I don't like.

2223
02:54:14,100 --> 02:54:16,640
That's out of the, as I say, I'm a little more,

2224
02:54:16,860 --> 02:54:19,120
you know, come on, twist it a little bit.

2225
02:54:19,460 --> 02:54:21,880
But I'm not going to tell you if you're going to take up 25 acres.

2226
02:54:22,460 --> 02:54:24,920
I don't think, I think we should have some sort of a

2227
02:54:24,920 --> 02:54:27,080
distance between facilities there.

2228
02:54:27,880 --> 02:54:29,960
We're all in having another one coming with another request

2229
02:54:29,960 --> 02:54:31,920
way beside it.

2230
02:54:34,500 --> 02:54:41,300
Now, my issue with that is, you just agreed on 250 acres, right?

2231
02:54:41,980 --> 02:54:42,040
Yeah.

2232
02:54:42,200 --> 02:54:43,200
Outside the SSA.

2233
02:54:44,080 --> 02:54:48,020
There's nothing saying that somebody can't come in and put three more right next to it.

2234
02:54:48,040 --> 02:54:53,140
And then right back up to a thousand and less something to the effect that you can't do that.

2235
02:54:53,580 --> 02:54:55,100
And I don't know what that will.

2236
02:54:55,100 --> 02:54:58,240
Burbage is, but you know what's going to happen?

2237
02:54:59,960 --> 02:55:01,280
How about property rights?

2238
02:55:01,280 --> 02:55:03,860
Well, that doesn't mean that we have to approve it if it brings a vibe.

2239
02:55:04,940 --> 02:55:10,460
No, but I think we should, you know, we should set the standard here, too.

2240
02:55:10,900 --> 02:55:13,140
We've got also got property rights, you can set it.

2241
02:55:16,880 --> 02:55:18,160
You don't know for the property home.

2242
02:55:21,570 --> 02:55:24,450
Two people have 250 acres and they're right beside each other.

2243
02:55:24,670 --> 02:55:26,090
How do you do now the other guy?

2244
02:55:27,090 --> 02:55:28,250
It's outside the SSA.

2245
02:55:28,370 --> 02:55:29,250
We can look at it.

2246
02:55:29,350 --> 02:55:30,790
I would be fine with that.

2247
02:55:31,570 --> 02:55:33,630
Yeah, that's sort of what I'm playing in.

2248
02:55:33,630 --> 02:55:36,670
But with any SSA, what kind of a distance?

2249
02:55:37,870 --> 02:55:40,290
I mean, this is something sort of new to us.

2250
02:55:40,830 --> 02:55:44,390
We could consider that three acre standard,

2251
02:55:44,750 --> 02:55:47,810
which has been used in other local, these three months.

2252
02:55:47,810 --> 02:55:48,190
I'm sorry.

2253
02:55:48,790 --> 02:55:49,970
Listen up, everything tonight.

2254
02:55:50,310 --> 02:55:53,210
Three miles, which was in the original policy,

2255
02:55:53,810 --> 02:55:56,750
three mile distance separation within the SSA.

2256
02:55:58,510 --> 02:55:59,230
In the SSA?

2257
02:55:59,590 --> 02:56:00,030
Yeah,

2258
02:56:04,500 --> 02:56:07,180
and then we can decide if we're outside of the other side of the other side.

2259
02:56:08,260 --> 02:56:10,420
Is everybody okay with that?

2260
02:56:10,920 --> 02:56:12,000
Just go with that.

2261
02:56:14,580 --> 02:56:16,760
Anything else that we need to address?

2262
02:56:19,270 --> 02:56:20,370
I think that's all of it.

2263
02:56:20,550 --> 02:56:30,250
So I think what was decided was that the changes in red that were shown would be incorporated in policy.

2264
02:56:31,990 --> 02:56:41,610
The recommendation would be to not allow no utility scale solar within the SSA, but could

2265
02:56:41,610 --> 02:56:50,130
do a small scale solar within the SSA, but no greater than 25 acres was their consistent

2266
02:56:50,130 --> 02:56:52,890
recommendation of that.

2267
02:56:53,030 --> 02:56:59,870
The maximum facility would be 25 acres, and then clustering within the SSA would be a three

2268
02:57:04,230 --> 02:57:17,670
on that on that 25. We came up with the 25 acre just based upon the five megawatt. We didn't just pull 25 acre. So if there is discussion with the board or whatever, there is a reason for that.

2269
02:57:18,910 --> 02:57:26,650
Would like the you know planning commission take a motion to forward this to the Board of Supervisors with those changes that I've had.

2270
02:57:26,650 --> 02:57:29,170
with what's in rear along with the changes tonight?

2271
02:57:30,390 --> 02:57:30,550
Okay.

2272
02:57:31,210 --> 02:57:32,190
I'll entertain that motion.

2273
02:57:32,470 --> 02:57:34,690
Someone want to make that motion the week.

2274
02:57:35,010 --> 02:57:42,930
Go ahead and send the solar energy storage policy onto the board with the changes

2275
02:57:42,930 --> 02:57:44,910
that we have noted tonight.

2276
02:57:45,850 --> 02:57:51,030
Want to have a draft along with the changes that have been mentioned tonight for the

2277
02:57:52,910 --> 02:57:55,870
So, we'll, can I ask Ms. Hunter a question, Joe?

2278
02:57:58,270 --> 02:58:02,150
We've got what we're doing here, do we have battery storage?

2279
02:58:03,290 --> 02:58:04,810
How does that come into play with this?

2280
02:58:04,990 --> 02:58:09,610
So, battery storage already has an ordinance in place.

2281
02:58:09,670 --> 02:58:13,850
This just provides some of the guidelines within the policy for the comprehensive plan.

2282
02:58:14,050 --> 02:58:22,090
Once the board approves the policy, we will follow up with ordinance amendments that address all the things in the policy

2283
02:58:22,090 --> 02:58:27,030
and codifying what could be codified as part of his own ordinance amendment.

2284
02:58:27,730 --> 02:58:31,170
So you'll see that back before you in the next few months or so.

2285
02:58:32,510 --> 02:58:32,650
Okay.

2286
02:58:32,790 --> 02:58:33,230
Thank you.

2287
02:58:33,370 --> 02:58:34,610
I have a motion from Mr. Abbott.

2288
02:58:34,750 --> 02:58:37,370
I have a second from Mr. McGee. Any other discussion?

2289
02:58:38,230 --> 02:58:38,850
I call for the question.

2290
02:58:39,050 --> 02:58:46,330
All in favor of sending the solar energy policy on with those changes to the board.

2291
02:58:46,510 --> 02:58:47,910
It's taking a five by saying aye.

2292
02:58:48,010 --> 02:58:48,450
Aye.

2293
02:58:48,530 --> 02:58:48,990
All opposed.

2294
02:58:49,550 --> 02:58:50,310
Motion carries.

2295
02:58:51,190 --> 02:58:53,670
Okay, anything on the miscellaneous?

2296
02:58:56,540 --> 02:58:56,920
No.

2297
02:58:57,740 --> 02:59:01,680
All right, not will be adjourned until our regular schedule meeting next week.