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[0:13] meeting for Monday August 21st 2023
[0:17] first committee it's Finance Mr Mutual
[0:20] thank you I'd like to follow the finance
[0:22] committee to order at the foresight of
[0:24] this update 20 23 24 Action Plan
[0:28] application
[0:31] episodes
[0:42] I'm here for the
[0:45] 23-24 annual action plan uh to allocate
[0:49] 2 million 102
[0:52] 000.44 through the development block
[0:55] grant funds and 187 000 and three
[0:59] dollars to an emergency solution Grant
[1:01] funds and finally 1 million
[1:14] yeah I wanted to ask a question about
[1:16] the programming that it's supposed to
[1:18] take place in Jerry Royale
[1:21] as well but we allocate money today can
[1:24] you speak to that that was forward last
[1:27] year you know this is where the future
[1:28] going forward and then it took place in
[1:30] March report and they deal with Willie D
[1:32] he's sending me videos of polls so if
[1:35] they did not have programming and a jury
[1:37] reveal but they did have a different
[1:39] department thank you
[1:42] any other questions
[1:45] second all in favor all right thank you
[1:48] the next item is
[1:51] compliance policy Mr Ferrari
[1:56] foreign
[2:13] just recently we're about to close on
[2:16] the EFC loans for uh the race car
[2:19] treating plant and uh
[2:21] North Ferry Street Pump Station and one
[2:23] of the requirements of from New York
[2:26] state is for us to have a
[2:29] by adjusting uh post Assurance
[2:31] compliance policy which I had thought
[2:34] that our procedure policy was the same
[2:36] according to our bond Council there was
[2:39] it so we got together with our Obama
[2:40] Council of her and I we hammered out a
[2:44] post issuance compliance and policy
[2:47] which is uh within your books there this uh policy uh is uh issued and uh is
[2:54] for uh you know tax tax exempt or tax
[2:57] advantage bases in this part of the uh
[3:01] Internal Revenue code 1986. so this
[3:04] would help the city is connecting put us
[3:05] in you know complete compliance with
[3:07] that
[3:08] so we're asking the city council adopt
[3:11] that policy
[3:13] any questions
[3:16] may have one more show
[3:18] second all in favor
[3:19] thank you very much the next item is
[3:23] increasing the maximum income for New
[3:25] York real property tax exemption Mr
[3:28] Williams thank you uh so in 2022 the New
[3:31] York State descent and assembly passing
[3:33] Amendment
[3:34] adjusting the maximum amount for
[3:37] individuals needing this criteria based
[3:40] on some information that I received I
[3:42] noticed that within the city we have not
[3:43] adjusted that income statute since 2009
[3:46] I think based on some of the
[3:50] quality of life they should be
[3:52] recognized nationally I think that is a
[3:54] big
[3:55] Gap that is now placed at our
[3:58] responsibility to adjust these threat
[4:00] for these individuals within our
[4:01] community so with us today we do have
[4:03] Miss McElroy who I imagine this is more
[4:06] for the background income provides some
[4:08] better context to the council but based
[4:11] on myself I would definitely like to see
[4:13] this maximized and I definitely when we
[4:15] talk about vulnerable or populations of
[4:19] that are disadvantaged I think it's our
[4:20] responsibility as a city to make sure we
[4:22] present sufficient resources to assist
[4:24] them and uh without further ado
[4:29] let's go
[4:34] um
[4:35] part of this
[4:37] happened because of covet so for the
[4:39] last couple of years we haven't been
[4:41] um the state gave us the opportunity to
[4:44] extend the exemption for folks so that
[4:46] they didn't have to come in and file
[4:47] their paperwork so we look at two years
[4:50] back income so we're talking about the
[4:53] last time we actually looked at folks
[4:55] income was 2018 so that this year was
[4:58] the first year we had to do that again
[4:59] and what happened was increases there
[5:02] was a big increase in Social Security
[5:03] for a lot of folks in 2021 so now
[5:07] looking at this year we would have
[5:08] looked at the 2021 income
[5:11] and it kicked a lot of people off the
[5:13] exemption because if you've seen the
[5:15] sliding scale that's in the city code
[5:17] there's just a very very small amount
[5:20] could kick somebody off of having this
[5:22] exemption or even we've had people go
[5:24] from having 50 exemption to having no
[5:26] exemption at all and that's a big deal
[5:29] if you're on fixed income a lot of
[5:31] people don't
[5:32] you know they don't they don't plan for
[5:33] that they don't know that that's going
[5:34] to happen so we haven't raised this the sliding scale at all since 2009 last
[5:41] year the state gave local
[5:46] municipalities the opportunity to pick
[5:48] her up we gave municipalities the
[5:50] opportunity to do a local law in order
[5:52] to increase the sliding scale I'm not
[5:55] sure that it's
[5:56] the best idea for us to go all the way
[5:58] to to 50 000 as the the
[6:02] um I mean it gives us the opportunity to
[6:04] do that but that's a pretty big
[6:06] um chunk of people I think that would be
[6:08] included in it it may affect the city
[6:11] financially but there's got to be some
[6:13] Midway Point um that we can you know
[6:16] that we can find so that those people
[6:18] that were kicked off because of an
[6:21] increase in Social Security might be
[6:23] able to then take advantage of the
[6:25] exemption again
[6:27] I'm not sure if there's any questions
[6:28] I'm more than happy to answer
[6:31] so just like um overall
[6:33] I'm probably a good question to answer
[6:35] that do you have any idea of what what
[6:37] city did go to America you know
[6:41] do you know what that impact my
[6:44] reflective saving dollars
[6:46] um it's it's hard to say because of
[6:49] um because we don't know what Phil's
[6:50] income is you know it's they have to if
[6:52] this is an exemption that has to be
[6:54] renewed every year and they have to
[6:56] provide us with their federal income tax
[6:58] return and we calculate income a little
[7:01] differently than the IRS does so it's
[7:03] not just the bottom line number
[7:06] but so in that way it's hard to predict
[7:09] I would say you know if we went to the
[7:12] maximum amount of 50 000 that would add
[7:14] a lot more people than than had been
[7:16] able to take advantage of it before but
[7:19] if you found some number that you know
[7:22] there may be a way I'm not sure how
[7:24] other municipalities have done this some
[7:26] have adopted this and some haven't
[7:28] so I can talk to some other assessors
[7:31] accessory if there was a way that they
[7:32] were able to
[7:33] somehow hedge of that as to you know
[7:36] where to set that limit but it I know we
[7:41] did lose a lot of people and I know
[7:42] there were a lot of people that
[7:45] it drops significantly so that say they
[7:47] had 50 well a lot of you know people I
[7:49] saw had 10 or 15 percent and even that
[7:53] is a lot to you know it's a lot in taxes
[7:55] to not be prepared to have to um
[7:58] cover I guess so there may be some ways to do
[8:03] it to get a better idea I'm just not
[8:06] quite sure
[8:10] thank you Mr chairman
[8:12] appreciate Mr Williams the council has
[8:16] to look at at least making sure it's
[8:18] keeping up with inflation and not only
[8:20] talks about people who are in this place
[8:22] does
[8:24] normal increments that will happen
[8:25] within Social Security or other income
[8:29] that they may have had my understanding
[8:31] is that some of those upper limits were
[8:33] really designed for places on Long
[8:36] Island
[8:37] Westchester County New York City where
[8:40] you have
[8:42] higher levels of just overall affluence
[8:45] so that
[8:47] it might not be totally applicable to
[8:49] Schenectady but again it's one of those
[8:53] things where as well comes out it's hard
[8:56] to know what the exact number you're
[8:58] going to bring in so by doing
[9:03] what's appropriate to
[9:06] hold people harmless and provide some
[9:08] benefit is there you don't want to shift
[9:10] it so you precipitate a tax increase
[9:13] across the board for everybody else but
[9:16] how do you again
[9:20] general rule uses to adjust it for
[9:23] inflation it would take a little bit of
[9:25] some number and
[9:27] we have a little bit of time because
[9:29] whatever the council does in this
[9:32] wouldn't take effect until
[9:35] 2024 until it'll be in the next actual
[9:40] year for collecting taxes
[9:43] but I'm sorry I think there's definitely
[9:46] ways I I was thinking that we could take
[9:49] a look at the folks who have actually
[9:50] lost the exemption just to see because
[9:52] it's really we'd have to pull every file
[9:54] one by one and look at the income tax
[9:57] returns and the people who which is not
[9:59] a it's not a big deal I mean it's
[10:01] something we can absolutely do we can
[10:03] get a sense of you know what's the
[10:06] percentage that would make sense to go
[10:08] off for some of those people who were
[10:10] solidly in the program before
[10:12] um
[10:13] because of an increase in Social
[10:14] Security they might have gotten bummed
[10:16] off of it
[10:20] so if we wanted to take some action what
[10:22] would it require in terms you said you
[10:24] mentioned local law so we had to change
[10:28] local law yeah we'd have to update this
[10:30] Andrew mentioned that we'd have to do
[10:32] our public hearing
[10:34] currently it's codified in the city code
[10:36] at section 234-1
[10:39] so if we would be amending that it would
[10:42] have to be a call for a public hearing
[10:45] and then the council would have to pick
[10:47] afternoon to amendments in the code
[10:49] so my suggestion the council is inclined
[10:52] to do that take a look at that section I
[10:54] can email it out tomorrow to the city
[10:56] clerk and she can pass it along with
[10:58] public council members that section of
[11:00] the code to see how it's currently
[11:02] written see what the scheme is the
[11:04] exceptions because there are some
[11:05] exceptions uh baked within that section
[11:08] of the code so you can take a look at it
[11:10] and see what changes if any and how you
[11:13] may want it to be structured
[11:17] do you think um because it seems like
[11:21] this won't be taking me off it wouldn't
[11:24] be inactive right away so
[11:26] what's a reasonable amount of time you
[11:28] think that maybe uh
[11:30] kind of pull those individual files to
[11:32] try to give us a better idea
[11:34] um so we're not you know
[11:36] um you know I mean we've got we've got
[11:38] lots of honestly we don't send our
[11:40] renewal notices out until October over
[11:42] and applications are not due back into
[11:45] March 1st of next year so it you know I
[11:47] mean it's there's there's lots of time
[11:49] to be able to do this it's just a matter
[11:51] of like how soon you all you know this
[11:54] is something that when we send out our
[11:56] notices to people for Renewal or yeah we
[12:00] can put something in the newspaper in
[12:01] October around the time that we send
[12:03] that so that it you know it would prompt
[12:06] people to then come in in something you
[12:08] know with their income if something's
[12:09] changed so you know maybe some time
[12:12] between now and
[12:14] October
[12:17] we could certainly pull files and take a
[12:20] look it's just a matter of figuring out
[12:21] who didn't get the exemption this year
[12:23] and had it last year
[12:25] entirely easy to do with our systems
[12:30] so who didn't get it last year to this
[12:33] year but they're raising the limit
[12:35] there'd be a lot more that would apply
[12:38] right yeah it's not I don't know that
[12:40] for a fact but I mean it would make
[12:43] sense
[12:44] that follows and I agree with Mr
[12:46] Williams I mean you know it needs to be
[12:49] looked at but then listening to the
[12:50] mayor absolutely yes we don't want to
[12:52] cost
[12:53] every taxpayer and increase so agreed
[12:57] yeah
[13:01] so I I will start working on that
[13:03] tomorrow we'll start pulling files and
[13:05] taking all good stuff and
[13:07] figure out you know there's what what
[13:09] might be a decent amount to raise it so
[13:13] that you're not opening it down before
[13:14] everybody but at the same time you're
[13:17] being able to pull people back into it
[13:19] who had already been you know used
[13:22] budgeting for having their taxes
[13:28] cool
[13:29] um so Mr Williams is is that this is
[13:32] just seniors and disabled would
[13:34] low-income or veterans or anything fall
[13:37] into that bill I don't know
[13:40] yeah no it's just this just covers um so
[13:43] this sliding scale and the income limit
[13:45] just covers for the RP 467 which is for
[13:48] folks who are over 65 and fall below
[13:51] that income and then the disabled thank
[13:54] you so disable them low income is what
[13:57] sure goes hand in hand veterans are
[13:59] there other categories of inceptions
[14:02] yes veterans we don't look we only the
[14:04] only thing we look at for veterans is
[14:06] they're discharge papers they don't it
[14:08] doesn't incoming online thank you
[14:15] just having this brought back and you
[14:17] said how much time do you think you need
[14:19] to get that information that's it we'll
[14:21] take a couple of weeks now and I'll let
[14:23] you know when we have a pretty good
[14:24] looking list we'll try to look at
[14:26] everybody if we pull we pull all the
[14:28] files and people who didn't get the
[14:30] exemptions this year
[14:32] um
[14:34] those folders it's just a matter of
[14:37] making sure we put that data down in the
[14:41] paper so you guys can see it so I'd say
[14:43] without burning her office uh definitely
[14:45] looking at their four weeks
[14:47] just like those four weeks
[14:51] and Mr Coleen you're going to email that
[14:53] section of the
[14:55] bus yes
[14:57] all right so we're friends back in four
[15:00] weeks
[15:03] thank you thank you to everyone thank
[15:05] you any other businesses for finance
[15:08] second all in favor thank you I'd like
[15:12] to call to order City development of
[15:14] planning we have eight items on the
[15:15] agenda uh the first is discussion of the
[15:18] city's annual ms4 request for 2023.
[15:22] Chris Long
[15:25] you're not this one
[15:30] hello again uh yes uh Chris Wallen he's
[15:33] not available to come today uh but he
[15:35] left me
[15:39] uh with Emma sport I'm really not
[15:42] prepared to have a discussion but just
[15:43] let me tell you what it's a little bit
[15:45] about the ms4 is the municipal's uh
[15:48] separate storm sore system ms4 fluores's
[15:53] and what that is is that and the misfied
[15:56] electricity is Schenectady
[15:57] um our storm server system is not
[16:00] connected with our sanitary system
[16:01] through separate systems and we'll with
[16:04] this uh report does that we've sent to
[16:07] the state uh let us let the state know
[16:09] that all our
[16:12] sanatory storm serves were inspected and
[16:14] they're all efficient and they're in
[16:16] good shape
[16:17] so that's basically what that is when
[16:20] Chris Wallen returns uh from uh wherever
[16:23] he is he'll be he'll be sending this to
[16:25] the state
[16:27] to find to have it filed
[16:33] is this a discussion or we need to pass
[16:36] something oh you need to pass
[16:39] yeah and you said a discussion is I'm
[16:42] not really able to discuss it uh I think
[16:45] you just want to let you know that the
[16:46] report was complete uh you have a copy
[16:49] of the report and you need this is a
[16:50] report you send it to the state
[16:52] do you know when it's due to the states
[16:54] uh it's I this is a a month or two later
[16:58] than usual but it's due to the same uh
[16:59] where are we now on at the end of
[17:01] September so we have an opportunity
[17:04] um to hear any questions to have this
[17:07] year
[17:09] so he said it's not due until the end of
[17:12] September for sure that's cool are you
[17:15] sure that no I'm not 100 sure I was I
[17:17] was told the end of the month I don't
[17:19] know I'm sure it was ended this month or
[17:21] under September the month of September
[17:24] power
[17:37] if you have any questions
[17:40] um then I would suggest emailing them
[17:42] both to Mr Wallen and to the clerk so
[17:43] everybody
[17:45] um can see the questions and then if for
[17:48] some reason a question comes up with it
[17:49] doesn't move forward you can pull it but
[17:51] otherwise all right very good thank you
[17:54] very much because I appreciate that and
[17:56] thank you
[17:57] second all in favor
[18:01] okay uh award bin contract for
[18:04] transportation transfer you selection
[18:06] yes is that you as well yeah uh I'm
[18:10] taking Paul's Place uh we just had a bid
[18:13] for our annual sludge right now we are
[18:15] paying 250 for 215 per ton which we can
[18:19] do about 10 000 tons annually we had a
[18:22] recent bid our lowest bid came in at
[18:24] 155s and this is supposed this is going
[18:27] to be starting uh as soon as possible I
[18:30] think the contract's a faction if you
[18:32] get that in the other bids came in at
[18:33] over 179 179 even above so I think we
[18:38] made it out good
[18:51] and then
[18:53] a bit and extracted down to 255 the
[18:57] overall costs have been dramatically
[18:59] increasing
[19:00] for
[19:01] disposal of the sludge wastewater
[19:04] treatment and strength do we know mayor
[19:08] what those into where the interim amount
[19:09] was before
[19:11] they in the amount she talked about like
[19:13] the 215 versus the 155
[19:20] 80 a ton it's under 100 so it was a
[19:31] Market a price
[19:33] you compare to other
[19:35] municipalities that's a competitive
[19:39] number okay it's not anything that
[19:42] I like to bring into you but that's the
[19:45] reality of
[19:46] people today
[19:50] if any questions
[19:53] and I could be mistaken by
[19:56] thoughts
[19:58] um
[20:00] it was mentioning something uh on the
[20:04] network I'm going to keep this calls for
[20:05] us to purchase some things with the city
[20:08] do you remember what I'm talking about
[20:10] right I think he has been talking about
[20:12] the digesters
[20:15] other things which are major in
[20:17] capitalism
[20:19] enables to produce some of the overall
[20:22] costs but there was some projected cost
[20:25] savings over a period of time that they
[20:27] would be actually paid for themselves
[20:29] but yeah and I was switching up those
[20:30] numbers now I just think of something
[20:32] but you know obviously one of the things
[20:34] is that you know the cost of building
[20:37] some of the things that we're talking
[20:38] about is in the tens of millions of
[20:40] dollars and that is that is just the
[20:42] estimated price we don't know if we
[20:44] dropped a bit that's going to be so
[20:48] but it's something we're having the back
[20:50] of our mind for digesters and dryers
[20:54] we're talking future future alcohol
[20:57] constitutions you know months years I
[21:00] would say years I cannot say multi-year
[21:02] under takeoffs
[21:04] we're talking tens of millions of
[21:06] dollars
[21:08] [Applause]
[21:12] a second all the favor all right thank
[21:15] you very much all right thank you Mr
[21:16] Ferrari
[21:18] the next item on the agenda is a
[21:20] reminder about the six-month moratorium
[21:22] on the submission processing of building
[21:25] permits for certificates of advocacy for
[21:27] smoke shops vape shops and tobacco and
[21:30] baby consumption businesses uh the
[21:32] public hearing was on August 17th
[21:38] seven August 7 sorry
[21:40] um so we did have people come to public
[21:42] hearing
[21:44] um the tobacco-free uh Coalition I think
[21:47] with the speakers and based on the
[21:51] comments that they made and the comments
[21:53] that were made by others that I believe
[21:54] they invited they were under the
[21:56] impression that what this would do is
[21:58] choose for us to close
[22:01] um current shops that are open so I I
[22:05] didn't get a chance to speak to Mr I
[22:08] wanted to to explain that that's not
[22:10] what this moratorium is about
[22:11] so I think they had that you know so
[22:13] other than that
[22:15] there were no other speakers that came
[22:17] to um
[22:18] to speak on about this
[22:21] so at this point in time we as the
[22:23] council have to
[22:25] decide whether we'll move forward with
[22:27] this and then also Mr Holden can you
[22:30] explain further what would need to
[22:32] happen to the council take steps sure
[22:35] obviously Mr Hardy's been working quite
[22:38] a bit
[22:39] um
[22:40] specific questions if the council is
[22:43] inclined to move ahead with this it
[22:45] needs to be referred to
[22:46] the County Planning is there any
[22:50] commission levels is the planning
[22:52] department if you like Mr Marney to
[22:55] answer specific questions about next
[22:57] steps is obviously here
[23:02] any questions anyone no okay all right
[23:06] yes I'd like to hear you know moving
[23:08] forward
[23:09] I'd like to hear moving forward what we
[23:12] would need to do for Mr Martin okay Mr
[23:14] Martin do you have questions
[23:14] specifically just generally okay
[23:23] well so uh in order to move forward uh
[23:26] the law doesn't require a referral of
[23:28] the moratorium at the County Planning
[23:29] agency uh so we would need a motion at
[23:33] least council meeting to do that and to
[23:37] resolve to move I saw
[23:39] we would then send it over in the chair
[23:41] of the middle County Planning Commission
[23:42] during the County Planning agency is a
[23:44] great Yellen
[23:45] they they can be the period I think of
[23:48] up to 30 days to review the moratorium
[23:50] and when they send back their findings
[23:53] support the moratorium they can go back
[23:55] to council for both to adopt it if they
[23:58] do not support it and still can go back
[23:59] to the council to adopt it but we will
[24:01] require a super majority
[24:06] thank you
[24:10] any other questions
[24:16] and so I would guess I know we discussed
[24:20] this a lot so in terms of the
[24:22] enforcement that the mayor and the staff
[24:24] is part of you doing
[24:25] and we're glad to get one of these on
[24:28] the mayor with regards to the updates so
[24:31] hopefully uh this weekend we can get an
[24:34] update sometime this week that's where
[24:36] they are in terms of the continued
[24:39] reinforcement of the NCAA Center
[24:50] any of the
[24:52] council members get complaints or
[24:55] inquiries from the public or questions
[24:57] that are raised feel free to foreign
[25:11] I mean enforcement is obviously the
[25:14] route that we're going but if we put a
[25:16] moratorium on there then we obviously
[25:18] know if illegal ones for popping up
[25:19] within the city because if they're
[25:21] popping up you know they're not supposed
[25:22] to be at that point so that could
[25:24] actually helps Naim and his whole crew
[25:26] kind of Code Enforcement you know
[25:29] realize that
[25:31] um again people in the neighborhoods and
[25:32] I'd be happy to send them on to
[25:35] um to the mayor to Naim about um
[25:38] foreign within a block again when they
[25:42] with the council came to speak on Monday
[25:47] I was the tobacco Council I was you know
[25:52] I got the impression that they were
[25:54] definitely concerned with the smoke
[25:56] shops and The Vaping but also with
[25:58] cigarette sales being so close to
[26:00] schools and things which is something
[26:02] you know every their store has or
[26:05] something like that so that that's a
[26:07] separate issue I think but
[26:09] um you know again with the vaping out
[26:10] there and our youth being so
[26:13] vulnerable to the fancy glitches and
[26:16] smoke flavors and things like that I
[26:19] think we need to be really conscious of
[26:22] especially maybe illegal ones popping up
[26:24] not asking for proper ID obviously for
[26:27] the top so I think I think the
[26:28] moratorium is something that we could do
[26:31] something a positive way to go and I
[26:34] also feel that if we worked efficiently
[26:37] with the moratorium then it wouldn't
[26:39] even last six months we'll just get in
[26:41] there and enforcement can do the job
[26:42] make sure everything you know we have
[26:44] some zoning in place
[26:46] and you know for smoke and vape shops so
[26:50] obviously not near near the schools or
[26:53] something that we need to look at
[26:54] definitely not like the marijuana more
[26:57] you know zoning but we need to be
[26:59] conscious of where we're putting them
[27:00] and where they're popping up
[27:02] the way I feel
[27:10] so at this point in time
[27:13] there's enforcement going on there
[27:15] you're setting people out on a regular
[27:17] weekly whatever basis and so could you
[27:20] just what enforcement looks like is it
[27:22] does it mean they shut them down
[27:23] immediately does it mean what does
[27:24] enforcement look like
[27:26] they're cited and then trips to process
[27:29] depending on what they're cited for
[27:31] getting the
[27:34] General thing we use is to try and get
[27:36] people to be compliant so that they have
[27:39] to file for significant abuse or other
[27:43] things to do that
[27:45] some places are in
[27:49] widely variants in what their
[27:52] approaches to doing business some are
[27:55] generally compliant in some
[27:58] very creative in terms of how they
[28:01] approach opening a business
[28:07] so yesterday
[28:10] the last time we discussed is a few
[28:13] attention that I can recall exactly have
[28:17] come into terms of um
[28:20] well I was an overreach in terms of what
[28:23] we're doing or is it extreme or
[28:25] something like that you're going to
[28:26] mentioned it goes back to what that
[28:28] really meant more Korea are considered
[28:31] uh a drastic yeah so it's just and that's why there's
[28:36] such a process involved for us to
[28:38] implement it's not that it it shouldn't
[28:41] be a process for you guys to decide
[28:43] whether or not it's required here but it
[28:45] is drastic it does suspend a use from
[28:47] occurring within the city
[28:50] um uh and uh you know the whole purpose
[28:53] of it is to just preserve the status quo
[28:55] from the land use planning perspective
[28:57] for us to uh draft the new zoning
[29:00] regulations that would be required for
[29:03] those uses
[29:06] this could be current you who knows
[29:20] I mean what I would like to see is that
[29:23] we allow as I mentioned before a lot of
[29:25] the main artists team to proceed with
[29:27] the enforcement that is going on bring
[29:29] these businesses into compliance and if
[29:31] they can be complain then they will have
[29:33] to close it so I think that will take
[29:35] care of the problem that we have
[29:38] to make sure there's people in this
[29:39] business owners realize that they need
[29:41] to come in to the planning department
[29:43] the zoning department and obtain
[29:45] industry application and go through the
[29:48] process and apply the
[29:50] as everybody else
[29:52] so I think that we should allow the
[29:54] notice of violation that
[29:56] to take or take its course
[30:01] so mayor who wanted to do that um
[30:05] within like within two weeks we'll be
[30:07] able to have the information in terms of
[30:09] whatever code enforcement is currently
[30:11] working on so it's very proper within
[30:14] two weeks I should turn that off sorry
[30:16] would we be able to hear what code you
[30:19] know get an update on what Holden
[30:21] forcement is working on and where they
[30:22] are with the shops that are not in
[30:24] compliance
[30:27] yes I don't know if we would have all of
[30:30] them some of them
[30:32] the standard thing is
[30:35] over 30 days after we give them a notice
[30:39] in some people are
[30:42] very compliant they're apologetic they
[30:45] didn't do the paperwork other people and
[30:48] it's not only for
[30:50] what we're talking about tonight in
[30:53] terms of code enforcement in general
[30:55] with buildings people spend time and
[30:57] effort that always amazes me in terms of
[31:01] Defending a flawed position where
[31:03] they're not fixing up their house their
[31:06] net doing the appropriate paperwork
[31:09] and they will have excuses in the simple
[31:13] things in the
[31:16] initial administrative action to get
[31:19] people into compliance when they don't
[31:21] do that and we decided to take them to
[31:24] court and then it becomes a discretion
[31:27] and presiding judge some of the
[31:29] timelines that are in place people again
[31:32] will have creative scenarios that they
[31:36] will articulate to the court
[31:39] are not really designed to remediate the
[31:43] problem or into compliance but I guess
[31:45] we can give you an update
[31:47] whatever you would like I'm not sure it
[31:50] would be a complete one depending on the
[31:52] timeline of
[31:55] where we are with the different venues
[32:00] under two weeks or four weeks or you can
[32:04] have a special meeting
[32:08] is your hand up yeah okay because it
[32:11] seems like we're talking about
[32:13] two different approaches leading into
[32:16] different problems so my understanding
[32:18] that this moratorium would
[32:22] pause anyone you know
[32:25] to open up the smoke shop even if they
[32:28] were looking to come through the proper
[32:30] channels and do everything right so I
[32:33] just be clear about that but the um
[32:35] advantage to that might be too because
[32:38] we can kind of pause things while we
[32:41] work on the enforcement of people who
[32:43] are
[32:45] um not in compliance with with to
[32:48] business
[32:49] so
[32:51] but also on this tutorial mentioned
[32:53] around like existing smoke shops around
[32:56] their proximity to schools and
[32:58] neighborhoods being being concerned I
[33:01] thought you said that um
[33:03] I would like to see some zoning
[33:07] promoting you know not close to our you
[33:09] know we we have to take care of our
[33:10] youth yeah
[33:13] neighbors said that you could talk on
[33:15] the neighbors saying that two or three
[33:16] opened up but then right so we know
[33:18] about five six seven more I guess
[33:20] depending on their proximity so let's
[33:23] get some zoning in place so if
[33:25] for going where they are now moving
[33:28] forward
[33:30] I want all this I want businesses here I
[33:32] want businesses
[33:33] to succeed I want them to open up
[33:35] especially small amount of Pop shops
[33:37] it's vital to our community together
[33:42] so and speaking about zoning I know that
[33:44] we're going to be looking at overall
[33:46] zoning we talk about the Zoning for
[33:48] cannabis with um
[33:50] it would be cannabis and similarly we
[33:52] use the word that strictly be cannabis
[33:54] and I guess what I'm really asking would
[33:56] smoke shops be captured in that zoning
[33:58] yes the way the statute
[34:00] from New York State came out with the
[34:03] regulations
[34:05] cannabis dispensaries retail
[34:08] is required to be treated similarly to as smoke shops vape shops
[34:13] tobacco retailers
[34:17] from the zoning standpoint they're going
[34:19] to be treated the same way
[34:24] but in terms of this moratorium then
[34:26] Canada shops would not be included so
[34:28] the way it was
[34:30] presented that's correct that was will
[34:34] need to request
[34:38] so as it stands the way I grew up in the
[34:42] moratorium it applies to smoke shops
[34:44] vape shops and tobacco consumption
[34:48] businesses
[34:50] and we've provided a specific language
[34:54] to address the fact that due to the
[34:56] preemption of a lot of the zoning
[34:58] regulations and licensing requirements
[35:00] by the state that will be the basis of
[35:03] the inclusion of the Cannabis shops
[35:11] however when we do the zoning
[35:14] the Cannabis Museum
[35:16] is part of those on the Amendments and
[35:19] the regular career requirements at least
[35:20] within the framework
[35:23] to regulate
[35:26] thank you
[35:30] so at this one time we have to decide
[35:33] whether we're moving forward with the
[35:34] moratorium and you hear the steps or
[35:36] whether we're what will be wanting to
[35:39] wait for to hear more about enforcement
[35:40] and so yeah I would like to wait for
[35:43] when the man come back comes back to two
[35:46] weeks for an updates on the noticeable
[35:49] where are we in terms of enforcing them
[35:53] at that time are we bringing back
[35:56] considering the moratorium is that what
[35:58] you ask them to bring back into lease no
[36:03] I'm asked in front of the
[36:05] regards to the enforcement
[36:08] hi what's up it's helpful you can do the
[36:12] referral and then still decide
[36:16] you know because of the time framework
[36:19] and then it's a 30-day forecast
[36:23] so
[36:25] did you hear that Mr YouTube Aaron can
[36:27] you repeat that please
[36:29] um to the extent it's helpful it's a 30-day review process with the
[36:32] county you can still refer it to the
[36:34] county and then decide not to perform
[36:36] the moratorium just because of the
[36:39] timelines involved with that uh
[36:48] who reviews it
[36:51] the reality it should be seven or eight
[36:53] weeks out where you can do anything
[36:55] so we need to
[36:56] formally both of the referrals send it
[36:58] to the county they've got 30 days they
[37:01] send it back to you you have a two-week
[37:04] cycle or three week cycle depending on
[37:06] where it comes up on the calendar but
[37:09] change any action and
[37:13] it's a nature of this there's going to
[37:14] be some discussion some people are like
[37:16] some elements of it some people aren't
[37:18] going to like some
[37:19] have to take their consideration for the
[37:22] final product the council
[37:29] Mr Golden and frankly whatever referral
[37:31] we make to the county they're going to
[37:33] provide feedback on the moratorium
[37:36] either you know yay or nay in terms of
[37:38] what what where they stand but there may
[37:40] be parts of that recommendation that
[37:43] comes from the county that deserves
[37:44] further discussion from the city council
[37:47] aspects that maybe haven't been
[37:49] addressed at our level but they're
[37:52] looking at at their world
[37:55] okay
[37:57] sounds like a long process
[38:01] so
[38:02] do you want to still hold it for the two
[38:04] weeks you're here with me yeah that's
[38:07] only for two weeks
[38:11] okay and let's just be clear we will
[38:13] bring it back into the weeks to make
[38:15] whether make a recommendation to you
[38:17] first to to with the moratorium that
[38:20] will be the discussion in two weeks
[38:26] okay
[38:27] thank you very much
[38:35] so with regards to the zoning we haven't
[38:39] discussed whether we're going to go
[38:40] towards districting or openness yet
[38:42] correct so is there a way for us to have
[38:44] that segment into the conversation we
[38:46] bring back
[38:47] I'm sorry
[38:53] so we haven't gotten to the conversation
[38:56] of whether it's going to go towards the
[38:58] line of districting or overlays oh
[39:00] there's a big difference districting
[39:02] overlays is there where you can add that
[39:03] component to when we bring this back
[39:05] because I imagine that's going to be a
[39:06] heavy discussion as well my
[39:09] recommendation would be it's a separate
[39:11] item outside of the moratorium I think
[39:14] it's obviously right for discussion for
[39:17] the next committee meeting obviously you
[39:20] know the law Department serves
[39:23] um you know obviously all the
[39:25] Departments of the city the mayor's
[39:27] office but also the city council
[39:29] so we are available to discuss you know
[39:33] your thoughts because you know you are
[39:36] the legislators so it's going to be a
[39:38] determination that's made by you in
[39:39] terms of how you want this to play out
[39:42] we want to be able to provide the legal
[39:44] support for you so we do recommend that
[39:46] you come talk to us obviously but my
[39:49] suggestion would be putting it on for
[39:51] the next committee meeting to discuss
[39:53] where the council people stand on how
[39:56] they want the zoning to be rolled out
[39:59] for this Mr Marney and I have spoken at
[40:03] length about what we see how we see this
[40:06] unfolding but obviously our thoughts
[40:09] suggests that you're going to have to
[40:11] obviously at some point as you know city
[40:13] council people pass something that works
[40:17] so yeah so you're asking for this to be
[40:20] on in two weeks results
[40:21] okay we'll do that in the meantime if
[40:24] you don't mind I will come in get some
[40:26] clear some clarity in the Law Department
[40:28] to stop up and see you we welcome back
[40:29] let's see
[40:31] okay thank you
[40:33] follow up on arpa contracts Mr Ferrari
[40:39] ations
[40:47] thank you
[41:02] so
[41:06] um
[41:07] I sent everything to uh I had sent all
[41:12] the emails from all our participants in
[41:14] this arpa review to to all the council
[41:17] members and what I did is I I put the
[41:21] under the last column exactly you know
[41:24] uh you know what we have to look at
[41:27] I think as you know there's the two in
[41:31] particular at the cocoa house and Scat
[41:33] they're looking to change their uh
[41:35] original work
[41:39] uh items
[41:41] and there's a few like uh
[41:45] Miracle on Craig the electric city uh
[41:49] Co-op Hamilton art center and where's
[41:54] the other one and uh
[41:59] the YWCA which are going to probably
[42:02] need extensions
[42:05] we did two contracts this week Maurice
[42:09] Brown did a great job of helping get
[42:11] this through uh we're looking to do a
[42:14] few more next week too right or even
[42:16] this week maybe a couple through but
[42:18] we're going to bring them up to the
[42:20] water department to review uh we did get
[42:23] a good response for everyone and as
[42:25] you've seen what we've got uh my
[42:27] question is uh uh is there a committee
[42:30] that's going to review these to talk
[42:33] about the extensions to talk about the
[42:36] change in plans
[42:38] a change in funding or whatever and
[42:40] that's that's what I'm not
[42:42] sure okay
[42:45] um so everyone got the email
[42:49] members mayor about well I'm not sure
[42:51] what the councilman is about the various
[42:54] contracts I just want to be clear these
[42:57] are all of them this is everything these
[42:59] are not the cities connected anymore
[43:01] outside okay yeah all right so perfect
[43:04] okay that's what I wanted that's right
[43:05] try to make a smaller for you and I also
[43:08] wanted to put in what they did so that
[43:09] way you can review them and you can
[43:11] remember next time laughs
[43:15] um so you had an opportunity to review
[43:17] that Mr Ferrari made it clear that some
[43:19] people are asking for extensions which
[43:21] to me is reasonable as long as they can
[43:23] do within the time frame that we needed
[43:25] others are asking for change and two in
[43:28] particular right are asking for change
[43:30] and use of their funds correct so um
[43:34] this question really is for for well
[43:36] it's for us to discuss but what would
[43:38] that require Mr Colden in terms of their
[43:41] contracts
[43:42] so some of them don't have contracts we
[43:44] have those those have not been contract
[43:46] however there are Appropriations that
[43:48] have been made by the city council
[43:49] appropriating the money for very
[43:50] specific purposes as it applies to
[43:53] certain organizations certainly if the
[43:55] council's seeking to change the
[43:58] appropriation not in terms of who's the
[44:02] recipient but for the purpose
[44:05] the council can certainly make an
[44:08] amendment to what they previously
[44:11] authorized appropriation wise or because
[44:14] it was always going to come back I
[44:16] believe to the council because in some
[44:17] instances the council just appropriated
[44:19] the money but didn't authorize a
[44:21] contract yet
[44:22] when they authorize the contract
[44:27] um they could do so
[44:29] um and change what the purpose is for
[44:31] okay again we'd have to go back and I'd
[44:35] have to go back and take a look at all
[44:36] the resolutions there have been a couple
[44:37] that have been um
[44:39] uh amended to put in the time
[44:42] constraints that
[44:44] um you know how how long certain
[44:45] entities had to come up with the
[44:48] additional funding commitments uh we
[44:51] were giving a year at the time time for
[44:54] them to you know come up with their the
[44:57] commitments to constitutional to
[44:59] increase that time those were an outer
[45:01] activities
[45:12] wow
[45:17] okay
[45:18] um
[45:20] so it looks like
[45:22] in terms of the funding slowly that's
[45:24] something we would have to say yes or no
[45:26] um
[45:27] and I think in our discussions we also
[45:30] came up with
[45:31] what the contingencies would be so in
[45:34] terms of
[45:36] where you where you are in terms of the workload in the department of
[45:40] development
[45:42] um
[45:44] would you be able to in two weeks give
[45:47] us like
[45:49] because I think the council needs to
[45:50] look at everything that's being asked to
[45:52] them and so it asks council members to
[45:54] review everything that's being put
[45:55] before them so we can make one
[45:57] collective decision uh hopefully at one
[45:59] time I know that there were people that
[46:01] came forward that wanted a resolution
[46:02] and wanted us to you know pass this one
[46:04] and then that one
[46:06] um I'm not I don't think that's the best
[46:08] way to do this I think that we should
[46:10] try to do this the way we initially
[46:12] intended which was to look at all of the
[46:15] um all of the projects see how much
[46:17] money there is we know that we voted to
[46:19] we send 2.5 million for a project so
[46:22] that's going to change that and um so my question for you is not counting the
[46:28] 2.5 million can you also tell us if and
[46:31] how much is up there I just I I knew
[46:34] you're more concerned with with the
[46:36] responses right so that's what I brought
[46:38] you today I did not I did not give you
[46:40] the No No financials but we we do that
[46:42] every every almost every week we do that
[46:44] yep
[46:46] horrible
[46:58] but while we have to get an update and
[47:01] then um talk about allocations
[47:05] so as you said I sent you any I sent you
[47:08] all that I had is there any anything
[47:10] else that more that you need did you
[47:12] want me to
[47:13] simplify
[47:15] and so that's what I was trying to do in
[47:17] the last column there right right
[47:20] um so you know have council members an
[47:22] opportunity to look at this thing are
[47:24] you in a position to really go through
[47:25] this today do you need the two weeks to
[47:27] review what's been sent to us I think
[47:29] you're going to probably need time to go
[47:30] oh okay there's a lot there was a lot
[47:32] there okay I don't know I I kind of
[47:35] tried to meet people a little bit yes Mr
[47:37] Farley so quick so quick question first
[47:39] of all I want to say thank you for the
[47:40] work that you're doing I know at one
[47:42] point there are certain people or
[47:43] certain agencies that were you kind of
[47:45] had to chase down and say hey that's a
[47:48] crime Shake That yep we got them all yep
[47:50] that's something I want to implement for
[47:52] that I appreciate the work that's being
[47:53] done there I was thinking um I thought
[47:56] at one point I thought the Boys and
[47:58] Girls Clubs generator I thought that the
[48:00] county provided ended up providing the
[48:02] funding for their generator I'm not sure
[48:03] and now they they rescinded it they
[48:06] didn't they didn't receive it yeah okay
[48:08] because I was trying to improve that
[48:11] point too
[48:13] yes I think we all try to get that but
[48:15] it did not happen it's good to be alive
[48:16] yes they were on the other end of the
[48:19] television yeah
[48:26] if you have yes so we have to look also
[48:29] when we come back in two weeks so that's
[48:30] also a good extension because some of
[48:32] these will
[48:34] definitely extensions yes September yeah
[48:37] so we have to discuss that please
[48:41] I just want to mention too uh uh the
[48:44] American Craig Street uh we have uh
[48:46] worked with tap tap it's going to
[48:48] actually go out and do the bids
[48:49] themselves and that they're having a
[48:51] walk through I think within the I think
[48:53] it's this Friday or next Friday and I'm
[48:55] absolutely sure uh for the contractors
[48:57] take a look and then they're going to
[48:59] move forward on the bid and that really
[49:01] that's why they're going to need
[49:02] extension because we'll find out you
[49:04] know what the bid numbers look like to
[49:06] see where we're going before we contract
[49:08] with them okay
[49:12] you know in terms of the the field that
[49:15] I asked him to to amend their location what are we going to do
[49:20] in terms of the application that was
[49:22] submitted for the specific project and
[49:24] now they are asking for something else
[49:26] that was not submitted in that
[49:28] application well so that's something
[49:29] that we need to look at because we did
[49:31] discuss it initially backwards already
[49:33] when one agency's requested changes and
[49:36] we talk about it a little bit so it's
[49:39] something that we need to address and
[49:40] look at any application and hopefully it
[49:42] is for the others who submitted
[49:45] there's two in particular that want to
[49:46] change you that's the cocoa house and uh
[49:48] scat yep so we're gonna have to take
[49:51] into consideration whether that's
[49:52] something that that we're open to but
[49:55] again Mr Ferrari has forwarded all of
[49:57] that information right yes and if you
[50:00] miss anything let me know I'll
[50:01] definitely
[50:03] give it to you right additionally if you
[50:06] um I know that Mr Sutherland when he was
[50:07] here sent us all copies of the
[50:09] applications of some place in your
[50:12] emails hopefully you have that if you
[50:15] wanted to be able to go back um and use
[50:17] this list to look at their original
[50:18] application and if you can't find it you
[50:20] need it we can think Mr Brown and I we
[50:23] can probably find it for you Maurice's
[50:25] black you can it's a lot better on
[50:27] computers to find it than I am so
[50:30] it was a great job
[50:35] so um
[50:37] sure okay I I know if you have any
[50:40] questions let me know that way I can
[50:41] work on that right okay all right so any
[50:44] other questions no thank you well done
[50:46] good job thank you all right thank you
[50:48] very much for all your work
[50:51] and keep it moving I do I do so mayor um
[50:54] I did send your email today can we
[50:56] consider bringing in a consultant to
[50:58] help us get this all done
[51:00] is that something I'm sorry bringing in
[51:03] we're getting it done we're doing some
[51:05] hiring and
[51:09] we're hiring to
[51:11] we're looking at hiring where hopefully
[51:14] everything works out for us we're going
[51:15] to fill some positions and bring people
[51:18] in uh with part of part of their
[51:20] positions might be doing that
[51:24] okay let us know more about that oh yeah
[51:26] okay and we should do as soon as
[51:28] possible I appreciate that thank you very much
[51:34] all right item number four in ordinance
[51:37] uh pursuant to section 101.
[51:40] abandoning section a portion of Larch
[51:42] Street
[51:43] we were as very close at the last
[51:45] council meeting yeah so under the city
[51:48] code we need 75
[51:51] approval to abandon uh City street we
[51:55] had five Council people present we
[51:58] needed six to vote in favor of it so
[52:01] bring it back to committee to send back
[52:03] to the council for consideration of that
[52:06] ordinance
[52:07] so we really don't need to take any
[52:09] action because we already moved it out
[52:10] of committee at this point yes yeah it's
[52:12] making sure everybody's aware of why
[52:14] it's going to go back
[52:16] um you know as far as I know there was
[52:18] no opposition
[52:20] um to the ordinance of the public or
[52:22] internally it's just a matter of uh
[52:24] voting it so if that's a council meeting
[52:27] our about six people then we're going to
[52:30] be in the same boat again
[52:35] okay the last three items I've been on
[52:38] the agenda are for executive session
[52:41] so I'll make a motion uh ask for a
[52:43] motion to do an executive session excuse
[52:45] me ask a motion too wait wait I have I'd
[52:49] like to ask promotions for reset so
[52:51] Claims can call off order so second
[52:53] all's in favor bye would you like to
[52:55] call the warrior claims committee we
[52:56] have one item on the agenda tonight
[52:58] it'll be discussed in detective session
[53:02] may you please have a motion to answer
[53:04] executives