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[11:58] um
[12:34] urban renewal agency first item on the
[12:37] agendas the acceptance committed from
[12:39] the February 6 2023 meeting moved by Mr
[12:43] palamini second second Mr motivator in
[12:45] all in favor signify by saying I any
[12:48] opposed
[12:49] next items resolution
[12:52] 2023-03 the acceptance of the investment
[12:55] report for 2022 with Mr palomini Mr
[12:59] motiv Baron all in favor any opposed
[13:03] resolution is adapted
[13:05] next item resolution
[13:09] 2023-04 the acceptance of our
[13:11] procurement report for 2022 moved by Mr
[13:14] palomini second by Mr motiviran all in
[13:17] favor any opposed
[13:20] Solutions carry next site in
[13:24] 2023-05 acceptance of the measurement
[13:27] report for 2022 moved by Mr palomini
[13:32] secondly Mr motiviran all in favor any
[13:35] opposed next item resolutions
[13:39] 2023-06 the acceptance of the annual
[13:42] report for 2022 boomed by Mr palomini
[13:46] seconded by Porterfield all in favor
[13:49] any opposed resolutions carried next
[13:54] item the authorizations enter into an
[13:56] option agreement with the city of
[13:58] Schenectady in land utility
[14:00] reutilization Corporation the capital
[14:02] region and we referred to as the land
[14:05] bank for multiple Parcels on Summit
[14:07] Avenue Westover Avenue Hamilton Street
[14:10] and Mumford Street by Mr palomini second
[14:13] line supporterfield all in favor any
[14:16] opposed resolutions carried next item
[14:20] resolution
[14:21] 2023-08 authorization to release certain
[14:24] covenants and restrictions imposed upon
[14:27] parcel stemming from the prior interim
[14:30] foreclosure process
[14:35] all in favor
[14:38] any opposed items that's carried any
[14:42] other business come before the agency
[14:44] entertain a motion to adjourn move us to
[14:47] palomini Second Language
[14:50] Solutions carried all
[14:53] businesses done thank you sorry it took
[14:55] so long
[14:57] it's also all the Schenectady city
[14:59] council committee meeting for Tuesday
[15:01] September 5th 2023. we'll begin with the
[15:04] presentation by the Schenectady Police
[15:06] Department you know initiative Mr Mayor
[15:09] and thank you for modifying your
[15:11] schedule uh have Parts been working on
[15:16] for a period of time coming out of
[15:19] form items creating transparency and
[15:24] going to go live it is live it is live
[15:28] the council president justification
[15:31] reported on the agenda that they've been
[15:33] wasting at times or pulled it back from
[15:35] the public so this will be the actual
[15:38] site and turn it over to Chief Clifford
[15:45] thank you mayor
[15:47] come out of the map I want to just I
[15:50] want to introduce Matt Douglas he's our
[15:52] director of
[15:54] crime intelligence and he's been doing
[15:56] this is his baby he's been doing all the
[15:57] work on this before we turn it over to
[15:59] him I wanted to just point out that if
[16:01] everybody remembers this document here
[16:04] that we all did a couple years ago
[16:07] recommendation number 26 was our
[16:09] commitment to transparency the
[16:11] Schenectady police department will
[16:12] commit to fully integrating police calls
[16:15] reported crime and enforcement activity
[16:17] within a customized designed application
[16:19] that will be shared on the department
[16:21] website this commitment to a
[16:23] public-facing application will reinforce
[16:25] the Department's commitment to
[16:27] transparency to the community
[16:29] when you further go on to the actual
[16:32] document itself environmental systems
[16:35] Research Institute which is the active
[16:38] or which is what esri is the senior
[16:40] scanty envisions building out its use of
[16:42] the world's leading geospatial software
[16:44] esri by publishing to the public a uh by
[16:50] publishing to a public to data share
[16:58] this platform will greatly Aid in
[17:01] transparency by displaying
[17:03] years of city and police data including
[17:06] real time
[17:08] all and easy to search website that also
[17:11] has easy to navigate dashboards or
[17:14] commonly requested queries
[17:16] so this was done a couple years ago I'm
[17:18] not sure why there are so many typos in
[17:20] there but we do have a demonstration
[17:22] here for you of our now
[17:25] active public spacing dashboard I'll
[17:28] turn it over to director Douglas to go
[17:31] through a short PowerPoint telling you
[17:33] how we got here and then we'll give you
[17:34] a demonstration
[17:39] test test close enough
[17:44] all right thank you as the chief
[17:47] mentioned this is a project that we've
[17:48] been working on for quite some time now
[17:51] that we actually got everything together
[17:52] we're looking forward to showcasing you
[17:55] some of the things that we've been able
[17:56] to put together regarding really
[17:58] enhancing uh transparency with the
[18:01] police department and with the community
[18:03] all right so a couple little slides to
[18:05] go over here real quick but transparency
[18:07] itself really what it is is sharing
[18:08] information and data and making it
[18:11] easily accessible to the public all
[18:13] right there are a couple reports that
[18:14] went out one in particular recently of
[18:16] 2022 that showed that 42 percent of
[18:19] Americans find that there is a gap in
[18:21] transparency with policing in the
[18:23] community which really impacts the
[18:25] perception that the community has with
[18:27] law enforcement with the Technologies
[18:29] and software that we now have in the
[18:31] city of Schenectady we've been able to
[18:33] create different ways to kind of
[18:34] generate a platform to further enhance
[18:36] that transparency which is about what
[18:38] I'm going to show you a couple of our
[18:40] slides here
[18:41] um now Schenectady the city itself is
[18:43] very data driven we use data for so many
[18:46] different things it's a smart City
[18:47] initiative again very data based sound
[18:50] for the Schenectady Police Department
[18:52] which is more my wheelhouse we create
[18:54] actual products on a weekly basis
[18:57] um whether it be a crime pattern or
[18:59] Trend or seeking to identify a criminal
[19:02] suspect um a variety of products that we
[19:04] put on a weekly basis and that's
[19:06] tactical analysis and then you got the
[19:08] Strategic analysis analysis which is
[19:10] like the long-term initiatives and
[19:12] Analysis analysis that goes into it and
[19:15] that falls under our evidence-based
[19:16] approaches which are strategically
[19:18] placed uh initiative so to be a good
[19:20] doctor that have been nationally
[19:21] recognized such as hot spot policing
[19:23] ddacs data driven approaches to crime
[19:25] and traffic safety uh crime prevention
[19:28] through environmental design right so as
[19:31] we start to get all this information
[19:33] we're trying to figure out different
[19:34] platforms that we can share what we're
[19:36] doing and how we deploy our resources to
[19:39] the community
[19:40] all right now today we're primarily
[19:43] going to talk about the dashboard but
[19:45] just as a brief example of something
[19:47] that we recently were able to create was
[19:49] a link that really showcased uh
[19:52] showcased the success that we had with
[19:54] our Schenectady Hub platform which was
[19:57] done by Lieutenant Brian mascheron and
[20:00] Sergeant Nick Mannix and different
[20:02] support from molecular officials and
[20:03] Command Staff we able to generate this
[20:06] with the Azure Technologies to really
[20:08] showcase again the successes that we've
[20:10] been having in a very professional
[20:12] format and platform that can go for
[20:14] different statistics and contacts on a
[20:17] different way to visually share what's
[20:19] been done and then the community to now
[20:21] access this type of information
[20:23] all right now if we switch gears and go
[20:27] more towards the agenda we will go to
[20:29] the current slide
[20:33] all right now we're talking about crime
[20:34] statistics how can we share crime
[20:37] reported crime to the community and have
[20:39] them easily access that information
[20:42] um sure enough we do create internally
[20:44] uh weekly crime statistical reports but
[20:47] with the technologies that we now have
[20:49] we were looking to create interface uh
[20:52] something that the community could
[20:53] interact with and look up certain
[20:55] information that they are interested in
[20:57] regarding our crime and that's what's
[21:00] going to bring us now to the
[21:01] public-facing crime dashboard that we're
[21:04] able to implement and put together uh
[21:07] use utilizing the esri Technologies
[21:10] all right so as this loads um what
[21:13] you'll end up seeing here is that it
[21:15] brings up a map of the city of
[21:17] Schenectady and then it brings up a
[21:18] variety of tables and charts all of
[21:21] which have the interactivity and
[21:24] configuring that the end user can choose
[21:27] what to look at so right now what I'm
[21:29] doing is I'm looking at select a date
[21:31] range now keeping in mind what we have
[21:34] put together is 28 days of recorded
[21:36] criminal activity this would be a
[21:38] dashboard that will be updated on a
[21:40] weekly basis currently this is looking
[21:42] at July 31st to October or I'm sorry to
[21:45] uh August 27th of this year so if we
[21:48] wanted to look at just let's say July
[21:50] 31st we'll go for a full week and we'll
[21:54] go to August 6th you'll start to see
[21:57] that the charts and configurations will
[21:59] change based on the new parameters that
[22:01] the person was looking for you can also
[22:03] zoom in and zoom out of the map and you
[22:07] can say okay this is great information
[22:09] but let's say I'm owning interested in a
[22:12] different activity that occurred in the
[22:14] downtown area and Hamilton Hill so as
[22:17] you change those filterings the charts
[22:19] and tables will also reflect the changes
[22:21] that that person is looking for
[22:23] um very similar if you're only
[22:25] interested in all right let me look at
[22:27] all uh neighborhoods within the city of
[22:29] Schenectady there's another drop down
[22:31] that showcases the reported Prime types
[22:33] and currently we have them all selected
[22:36] if we're only interested in say motor
[22:37] vehicle thefts and burglaries you're
[22:40] only going to see that based on the
[22:42] filters that you put in place so again
[22:45] very interactive I can show you quite a
[22:48] bit of information and then the other
[22:49] cool interesting tool is if you select
[22:53] all neighborhoods and all crimes
[22:55] you can also zoom into the city
[23:01] and as you zoom in it's going to
[23:03] Showcase what you're looking at on the
[23:05] charts and tables and then in addition
[23:07] if maybe someone's moving in or they
[23:09] want to know what's going on in a
[23:10] particular area there's a drop down menu
[23:12] where you can literally click
[23:15] lasso select out the crimes that's my
[23:19] circle guys and it'll basically show you
[23:21] how many of those crimes you selected
[23:23] and give you Italian like top left of
[23:25] the chart on the bottom of the dashboard
[23:27] there is information on schenectady's
[23:30] police tip line on different information
[23:32] of the community can provide to the
[23:34] police department and then also below
[23:37] that there's a disclaimer on the
[23:39] accuracy of the data um
[23:41] City attorney can take a further look at
[23:43] that but basically the bypass we
[23:45] validated the data that's coming through
[23:46] a trusted Source it's our internal data
[23:48] but we've taken the correct measures to
[23:50] make sure that it's validated
[23:53] so that is the dashboard how it works
[23:57] how it's set up again a lot of
[23:59] interaction uh that you can have with
[24:01] this particular dashboard
[24:04] definitely go back if you have questions
[24:06] I just got a couple quick slides to wrap
[24:08] this up
[24:10] all right so this took quite some time
[24:13] to really get up and running and as we
[24:16] started we had different visions and
[24:18] different goals so as we started to
[24:20] accomplish One Vision and meet that
[24:22] expectation such as the public-facing
[24:24] dashboard now we're coming up with a
[24:26] variety of other missions so we have
[24:28] more goals to achieve while using this
[24:30] different type of Technology this slide
[24:33] is more or less a thank you for the
[24:34] community the elected officials council
[24:37] members yourself and support throughout
[24:39] this transition
[24:41] and then we also ended off looking at
[24:45] different action items to further
[24:47] promote and enhance the things that
[24:49] we're now capable of producing utilizing
[24:52] these very similar Technologies
[24:54] um so that pretty much wraps it up and
[24:57] we open it up for questions
[25:00] and I can easily navigate back to that
[25:03] dashboard if there's anything of
[25:05] interest there as well
[25:07] I know Steve was there something that
[25:09] you know that's closely rolled up called
[25:11] Patrol finder I didn't notice anything
[25:13] on here that interacts with that or that
[25:15] mentioned at all is that's part of it is
[25:17] that working where are we back so Patrol
[25:19] finders is my understanding more
[25:21] internal uh for a lot of different
[25:23] operations with Patrol
[25:25] um the dashboard that you're showing now
[25:27] that we're kind of showing is really
[25:29] more for public-facing use
[25:31] okay because my understanding part of
[25:33] the patrol finder was that for the
[25:34] Department to be able to find out where
[25:36] the control cars were okay
[25:39] that is the case for the public at some
[25:42] point we're not saying we're ready to do
[25:44] that yet but once we implement it at
[25:46] some point this the public it could
[25:49] become part of this dashboard for the
[25:51] public to be able to see when the last
[25:52] time a police car drove by their house
[25:54] so so but we're not there yet we're
[25:57] still we're still working out the
[25:59] Kingston Patrol finder and
[26:02] fully employment okay thank you
[26:07] yes is this on the website the city
[26:10] website now great question so yes and I
[26:12] will be able to attend the lawsuit we
[26:14] can provide a little bit more
[26:15] information on how that is embedded into
[26:17] the website and launched
[26:22] Lieutenant McLaughlin from the police
[26:23] department I uh
[26:25] she had a little bit of a hand in this
[26:26] about
[26:27] 10 minutes before the meeting we
[26:29] published the link and ensured that
[26:31] everything worked appropriately so it is
[26:33] in fact live on the city's website as of
[26:35] about 5 30 this evening so you can
[26:38] actually navigate to this the data we
[26:40] did in the last minute validation make
[26:42] sure that the links work appropriately
[26:43] and that it was publicly accessible in
[26:45] ADA compliance so it is in fact live uh
[26:48] the tutorial is also live on how to
[26:49] navigate it so there are directions in
[26:51] case it isn't clear to the end user
[26:53] immediately so with a graphical link to
[26:55] try to explain to you the different
[26:57] parts of the dashboard itself so it is
[26:59] there and to your previous point we can
[27:02] start incorporating other layers as they
[27:04] become available to us that's the
[27:06] advantage of esri is that we can
[27:07] continue to incorporate layers and
[27:09] evolve and add that for both the public
[27:12] and everybody else
[27:13] okay thank you
[27:15] um so number one I want to say this is really a good stuff that we have
[27:19] and I'm thinking about
[27:20] um you know I just I want to know first
[27:22] of all that it's something new that's
[27:23] rolling out so I'm sure that there will
[27:25] be things that you know she tweaked
[27:28] along the way which are you know I think
[27:29] the public should know that I guess my
[27:30] question is
[27:32] um kind of similar uh are we like
[27:34] how does this work in partnership with
[27:38] um you know do you see a way that this
[27:40] will translate someone like the the new
[27:42] body cams things like that that have
[27:44] also been uh
[27:46] are you as a tool that's going to be
[27:48] used for more transparency and Community
[27:51] engagement how do you see the tool kind
[27:52] of working together and also is there a
[27:55] place for a community so the problem
[27:57] with somebody in the community and I go
[27:59] on and there's some information that uh
[28:01] might be specific to what I'm looking
[28:03] for but isn't available as one of the
[28:06] drop down boxes is there an opportunity
[28:07] for me to kind of or correspond and say
[28:09] hey I was looking for this and then
[28:11] what's our capacity to kind of be
[28:13] responsive to that
[28:16] so uh historically speaking for us as an
[28:19] agency that we use the foil process a
[28:21] ton which to some may seem like a
[28:25] barrier to entry so we wanted to try to
[28:27] reduce that barrier and work on reducing
[28:29] all of them so uh we are going to still
[28:31] be responsive we are monitoring I
[28:33] actually oversee all of the Department's
[28:35] foils now that come into the police
[28:36] department so we kind of take a gauge of
[28:38] what people are asking for to try to be
[28:40] able to find a way to provide that as
[28:42] you know efficiently as possible and to
[28:45] try to be as transparent so yes I think
[28:46] as we see not only that but the feedback
[28:49] that comes generally through the records
[28:51] department which I also oversee those
[28:54] are the things that we use as like a
[28:56] feedback and kind of a sounding board
[28:57] but as we hear it we are working towards
[28:59] that the advantage of esri is the depth
[29:01] of the platform allows for us to even do
[29:04] surveying which is some another
[29:05] initiative we're currently working on
[29:06] just not ready to publish right now but
[29:08] to be able to survey the public uh it's mainly a March decree to create a
[29:12] database in a public-facing portal that
[29:15] has everything and it's not just limited
[29:17] to the police department it's not just
[29:18] limited to just crime data so yes I
[29:21] think as we get there and we can do you
[29:23] know figuring out what's going to be the
[29:24] easiest way to display that we're also
[29:26] trying to use other communities
[29:27] throughout the country it's kind of like
[29:29] the the backboard of what works and what
[29:32] hasn't worked so that we're not wasting
[29:34] resources time or money and developing
[29:36] something that is unsuccessful but at
[29:38] the same time still trying to innovate
[29:39] so yes I think to your point we are
[29:41] going to 100 see the evolution but as
[29:45] those things come in if more than one
[29:47] person who's requested it is something
[29:48] that's on our radar and there are
[29:50] probably a good eight or nine projects
[29:51] currently in the hospital
[29:53] I do see us adding more to this this is
[29:55] just what is 100 ready for today we vet
[29:58] it and we know is
[29:59] to the point where we feel comfortable
[30:01] in saying that this product is is ready
[30:03] for the public to be able to answer the
[30:04] questions that we feel otherwise would
[30:06] have been months or weeks in the making
[30:08] which would normally be the full
[30:09] turnaround time which could be
[30:11] now they can get in about two to three
[30:13] minutes I've said before that we want
[30:16] the community to become active in public
[30:18] safety and driving that to the website
[30:20] and getting them involved and looking at
[30:22] crimes in their neighborhoods help
[30:24] helping us police the community let the
[30:27] community be a part of it so that's
[30:28] really what we're hoping to do is to
[30:30] drive members of our community to our
[30:31] website we'll get information get the
[30:34] ability to look things up and of course
[30:35] we're going to take feedback on making
[30:37] that the community wants to
[30:40] want to uh sorry to plan some questions
[30:43] but first and foremost thank you for for
[30:45] being here and providing us this
[30:47] presentation
[30:48] of roughly how long is information
[30:49] stored and are residents able to export
[30:55] so in the way of the current dashboard
[30:57] right now uh we have 28 days worth of I
[31:01] would say vetted quality data that we're
[31:03] able to display in this type of format
[31:05] from a foil perspective obviously we
[31:08] maintain data beyond that back when we
[31:12] probably were not as diligent in always
[31:14] ensuring that reporting was done
[31:16] correctly you know I walk into the
[31:18] police department unfortunately
[31:19] sometimes would be labeled as 531
[31:21] Liberty Street when in fact maybe a
[31:23] crime didn't occur there so as a result
[31:24] of that we've had to put new measures in
[31:26] to make sure that it's easily
[31:28] displayable and it makes sense and it
[31:29] corresponds to a neighborhood as opposed
[31:31] to the police station over and over
[31:32] again so right now older data is
[31:34] available from foil still but moving
[31:37] forward the option would be to continue
[31:39] to add to the database and be able to
[31:41] expand it as we see as we go along as
[31:44] for uh you know to the other point of
[31:46] exporting the data like any other
[31:49] website you can take the data that's
[31:50] there it's been cleaned it is sieges
[31:52] compliant it's enough you know Anonymous
[31:55] enough that it would be very challenging
[31:57] for somebody to really figure it out
[31:58] unless they were an active participant
[32:00] in that particular crime because it's
[32:01] not specific to a set address just a
[32:03] block if you will so they could export
[32:06] what they see on the screen by doing
[32:07] screen capturing but in the way of data
[32:10] security it meets or exceeds FBI and
[32:13] State's damage
[32:14] go check things one more question I know
[32:17] with becoming more transparent everyone
[32:18] assumes that people digest information
[32:20] the same which is not always the case
[32:22] for an individual that's looking at more
[32:25] information than less is there someone
[32:26] available to discuss some aspects of
[32:29] what they're seeing
[32:30] so we we do we have obviously our public
[32:33] information officer program does do
[32:35] community outreach but also speaks on a
[32:37] regular basis to people that have
[32:38] inquiries and normally what happens is
[32:40] if a records inquiry comes in where
[32:42] somebody's asking a specific question
[32:44] that can be at that point we triage and
[32:47] then send it to the appropriate person
[32:48] in the police department so the tips
[32:50] line also acts that way if a person
[32:52] calls in with something that's not
[32:53] necessarily a law enforcement tip for
[32:55] more or less a inquiry we may route that
[32:57] to either a Pio the community police
[32:59] officer that's assigned to that zone
[33:01] um and you know and then maybe have that
[33:03] person go and speak to them directly if
[33:04] they don't want to talk to somebody on
[33:06] the phone whether it's for help
[33:08] navigating this or for other things that
[33:09] we can Aid them with but if if it seems
[33:12] to be a common occurrence then we'll
[33:14] work on clarifying a dashboard or
[33:15] creating another document just to try to
[33:18] make sure that we get over that barrier
[33:19] hurdle as well thank you I'll add one
[33:21] more thing to that that um every fall
[33:24] spring and fall but Falls approaching I
[33:26] try to make my way out to all the
[33:28] neighborhood association meetings so
[33:30] this fall all I'm scheduling to go out
[33:32] to them so pay attention if the public
[33:34] pay attention to when the next one is
[33:36] when I go there I want to talk about
[33:37] technology and policing so this would be
[33:40] one of the things that we talk about and
[33:41] be a good opportunity to ask questions
[33:43] at that point
[33:45] and in terms of so um in terms of the
[33:48] crimes we're hearing a lot about car
[33:50] accidents and speeding it's it's huge so
[33:52] is that capturing that so people could
[33:54] look within their neighborhood those
[33:56] kinds of things happening
[33:58] So currently this dashboard is
[34:00] specifically a part one problem
[34:06] eight top serious crimes but crashes
[34:10] absolutely is actually one of those
[34:12] things that we actually had on our
[34:13] mission action items is because the data
[34:16] is there and we can actually create
[34:17] another layer or a separate dashboards
[34:20] simple looking at crashes so that
[34:22] capability does exist this was just kind
[34:24] of like the initial launch to kind of
[34:26] showcase the platform itself of what it
[34:29] can do and now it's really opening up
[34:30] before the case to figure out what is it
[34:32] that the community bonds like officials
[34:36] okay thank you
[34:40] um Chief will this help in terms of the
[34:42] police response time
[34:45] addressing Primes
[34:47] will just help it anyway
[34:49] this this specifically well that that
[34:51] would be more of a patrol finder thing
[34:53] but this is more of a reporting
[34:54] dashboard than anything
[34:56] no answer your question no display
[34:58] cannot be used to identify hot spots and
[35:01] then Target those areas
[35:03] well this is this is more of we'll
[35:06] explain to the terms of historical event
[35:07] the actual
[35:09] initial response wouldn't have an effect
[35:15] any other questions
[35:17] yeah and there's a lot of information
[35:19] here when you look at it again Matt's
[35:22] put a lot of time and effort in it
[35:24] it's just starting so it's a dynamic
[35:27] process you know there's some things on
[35:28] there at least say oh well this is great
[35:31] well anyway look at it nobody's going to
[35:33] look at that one subset of data to maybe
[35:35] something else that they want to see
[35:36] every day and so it's how do we modify
[35:39] that to again to put the information out
[35:42] there that people want that makes sense
[35:44] and there's an unusual usable format and
[35:47] then is to layer it with other things
[35:49] whether it's code enforcement whether
[35:51] it's dog licenses street closures some
[35:55] of the things that we're doing with
[35:56] c-click fix so it's really a dynamic
[35:58] process that's going to grow over time
[36:02] okay
[36:03] thank you thank you thank you very much
[36:14] yes
[36:16] thank you I would like to call the
[36:18] finance committee to Carter and of
[36:20] course item is purchase of the new fire
[36:24] truck Chief Marino
[36:37] good afternoon everyone
[36:40] thank God it's cool
[36:43] all right so this evening uh coming to
[36:47] you to ask for you to allow us to accept
[36:51] somebody from the state
[36:53] we reached out to the state several
[36:56] months ago we had an idea of purchasing
[36:59] a spear apparatus to replace two
[37:02] apparatus that are 20 I think 23 years
[37:04] old America La France they are no longer
[37:07] being produced we can't get parts for
[37:10] them very difficult
[37:12] so our goal was to purchase one new
[37:14] apparatus
[37:16] take the two Miracle of France make a
[37:19] decent one out of that and that would
[37:21] still be a spare rig and the other rig
[37:25] that was comparable but not worthy for
[37:28] the street we would bring up to our
[37:30] training Tower which is just we're just
[37:33] completing reconstruction there so that
[37:37] apparatus will be able to remain there
[37:39] when our crews go up there to train they
[37:42] don't have to take equipment off of
[37:44] their
[37:45] Frontline apparatus and if A call came
[37:47] in they would be able to respond in the
[37:49] time they land so we reached out to some
[37:53] women in Santa Barbara and some of them
[37:54] instead and they were able to help us in
[37:59] post
[38:00] um post budget funding
[38:03] so some of them in Santa Barbara is has
[38:06] secured 675
[38:09] 000 and some women stacked 125 000 for a
[38:14] total of 800 000.
[38:16] um there's no Financial liability to the
[38:19] city
[38:20] we filling out the paperwork if you can
[38:23] see okay we'll move forward we won't see
[38:26] the money until probably July of 2024.
[38:31] questions
[38:36] all in favor hi thank you thank you well the next item is
[38:42] requested proposal for 2023 Harley
[38:44] Davidson
[38:51] good evening
[38:53] I requesting uh to accept the request
[38:56] for proposal we had from Brunswick
[38:58] Harley-Davidson in 2002 I believe it was
[39:01] PCC bird came in and requested that we
[39:05] accept a grant from Jack and now we
[39:09] would like to use those funds to
[39:11] purchase a Harley-Davidson put out the
[39:14] RFP and we only had one bid the bid with
[39:16] the amount of 29 851.75
[39:21] and our grant funding that we had given
[39:23] to us
[39:25] was 24 390. so we propose to use to pay
[39:31] for the remaining
[39:32] 5461.75 through our operating budget we
[39:35] are not requesting any further funds
[39:38] questions
[39:39] Cummins sing good so I I asked that the
[39:43] meeting but I want to ask for the group
[39:45] um because I don't see many motorcycle
[39:46] cops around and so we're buying a new
[39:49] motorcycle so we're going well how we're
[39:50] going to be using that yeah so we are
[39:52] more shakes we have now are bought in
[39:54] 1998 in
[39:56] um so 1999 for receiving 1998 so they
[39:59] haven't been very operational we have
[40:01] let the parades connected the sprays
[40:03] every year the holiday parade they've
[40:06] been at several community events um
[40:08] showing that the children the different
[40:10] bikes and with this one we would put a
[40:12] computer on it and it would use a
[40:14] traffic enforcement as well okay thank
[40:16] you
[40:31] the next item is your 2022 Consolidated
[40:34] annual performance and evaluation
[40:35] reports Mr ferrariable
[40:42] information okay so those of you who
[40:45] have an Alexandria Carver she is in our
[40:47] development department natural community Development supervisor so
[40:53] welcome everybody thank you thank you
[40:54] welcome aboard thank you good evening I
[40:57] am asking for approval for our request
[41:01] on the 2022 Consolidated annual
[41:04] performance evaluation report
[41:07] um the
[41:08] 202-23 Consolidated annual performance
[41:10] evaluation report addresses the
[41:12] implementations of three goals that we
[41:14] established in our Consolidated plan for
[41:16] 2020 through
[41:18] 2012 which were to enhance housing
[41:21] opportunities expand economic Workforce
[41:23] Development and strengthen local
[41:25] neighborhoods our cebg funds CD funds
[41:29] were used for rental subsidies including
[41:31] rental cars for those at risk
[41:33] homelessness security deposit and rents
[41:35] for those moving out of homelessness and
[41:37] that was how we move forward in
[41:39] enhancing housing opportunities our CD
[41:42] cdbgcb funding which is for soil
[41:45] business grants for businesses impacted
[41:47] by coping 19 free business training and
[41:49] workshops were held to enhance the
[41:51] skills of business owners and
[41:52] strengthening local neighborhoods to
[41:54] streetscapes beautification project
[41:55] Planet nearly 100 trees throughout the
[41:58] nrsa and urban neighborhoods of
[42:00] Schenectady local youth were taught
[42:02] about various tree types soils and how
[42:04] trees impacted the environment and the
[42:06] city they live in the Jerry Burrell Park
[42:08] was also restored this year new
[42:10] playground equipment basketball courts
[42:12] trees will directly impact 10 000
[42:15] residents that live near the park safe
[42:17] house ain't the only China City also had
[42:20] a front walkway and retained wall
[42:21] completed with the use of the cdbg funds
[42:24] so we are our presentation of the report
[42:27] and announcement we have an additional
[42:29] call for public hearing so that we can
[42:31] get public comments on our Cape 2000 on
[42:34] 22 2023 cases report thank you
[42:39] yeah
[42:40] for a public area of this item yes
[42:48] thank you
[42:55] September 25th yeah
[43:01] okay any questions
[43:05] to call for public hearing September
[43:08] 25th for this item second all in favor
[43:11] all right thank you
[43:14] the next item is the 2024 budget so I'm
[43:17] important for public hearing here
[43:24] hello
[43:27] this is just a call for a public hearing
[43:30] before it proposed budget
[43:33] uh we're requesting its recommended that
[43:36] the council uh
[43:43] for October 10 20 21st
[43:51] [Music]
[43:53] thank you
[43:55] the next item is the supplemental Bond
[43:57] ordinance for large Ferry Street Pump
[43:59] Station
[44:01] so I believe Anthony Ferraris and a
[44:04] bunch of information to council
[44:05] president Harry Porter in regards to
[44:08] this we're increasing the foreign
[44:25] so it's respectfully recommended that
[44:27] city council approve of this
[44:29] supplemental bottle is an amount of 25
[44:31] million 275
[44:33] 000 for this project
[44:35] right just to give some clarity
[44:37] in terms of I did have some questions
[44:39] because this would have been our third
[44:41] supplemental Bond ordinance so I just
[44:43] want to make sure that we had enough
[44:44] money in place and we weren't seeing
[44:45] this again and the reason actually for
[44:47] the entry so Mr Ferrari sent that
[44:50] information that's why I think we moved
[44:52] it forward to be on the agenda before it
[44:54] didn't get there so now they're bringing
[44:56] it back because all the information is
[44:57] here
[44:59] thank you any other questions
[45:02] all in favor all right thank you any
[45:06] other business for finance
[45:08] all in favor
[45:10] aye thank you
[45:12] development and planning we have eight
[45:14] items on the agenda the first item is
[45:17] authorization of an easy mix and
[45:18] national grid for the installation of an
[45:20] overhead electrical service in Central
[45:22] Park for the new pools and splash pads
[45:24] as well
[45:36] a larger three-phase service we have
[45:38] three-phase power at
[45:40] facility in Greenhouse uh this is an
[45:43] easement to bring uh to a new line with
[45:46] two new polls two approximity on Ashmore
[45:48] Avenue where we'll then meet up and be
[45:50] able to power a new uh pool complex
[45:54] any questions
[45:59] thank you
[46:02] the next time uh I'll begin this
[46:04] discussion Zoning for cannabis
[46:06] dispensary and smoke and vape shops bait
[46:08] shop
[46:09] so we've been talking about a lot about
[46:11] vape shops smoke shops and also about
[46:12] the cannabis dispensary when we opted in
[46:15] we didn't have zoning in place that
[46:17] covered this so we've been talking to
[46:18] the Law Department here they've invited
[46:20] everyone to actually come and have a
[46:21] discussion so that we can talk about
[46:23] throughout the city where we'd like to
[46:24] see these or or not like to see those so
[46:27] at this point in time it's really
[46:29] discussion around where we've um how the
[46:32] council what the council would like to
[46:33] see Mr colon you can experience found
[46:35] that a little bit more
[46:37] um wanted to just kind of discuss what
[46:39] you'd like to see from the council in
[46:40] order to move this forward sure
[46:43] first I just want to thank the constant
[46:45] people who've stopped by to discuss
[46:47] zoning in I think a grander scale and
[46:51] also specific to these particular issues
[46:54] facing the city
[46:56] um
[46:57] and I've been in contact with the
[47:00] development department to talk about you
[47:02] know best practices obviously and
[47:03] certain constant people have let it be
[47:05] known to me
[47:06] um their thoughts on you know what
[47:09] districts to allow it or whether or not
[47:13] the best route is an overlay
[47:16] um you know I think
[47:18] it's really on the council to determine
[47:20] what is in the best interest of the City
[47:22] by and also rely on the expertise of the
[47:25] development department and the other
[47:26] applicable departments
[47:29] you know I there are other
[47:31] municipalities still grappling with this
[47:33] issue
[47:34] um you know Rochester has already
[47:36] codified how they're approaching
[47:39] um cannabis dispensaries and obviously
[47:42] something that we've talked about is
[47:43] that smoke shops and vape shops for the
[47:46] purposes of zoning have to be treated
[47:47] similarly similarly to cannabis
[47:50] dispensaries that came from New York
[47:52] State's regulations
[47:54] and as it currently exists we don't have
[47:57] anything when our zoning code was
[47:59] established there was nothing that
[48:02] foresaw this change in the Law related
[48:05] to cannabis dispensaries and smoke shops
[48:08] and vape shops becoming more common
[48:12] um
[48:13] currently as you're all aware there's
[48:16] this cannabis dispensary that's open on
[48:18] Upper Union
[48:19] certainly we're at a point now where it
[48:23] would be very difficult for the city to
[48:24] do anything to stop that one
[48:26] establishment however
[48:28] you know the council decided that you
[48:31] know the Upper Union Corridor where that
[48:34] current dispensary is is not somewhere
[48:36] where you want to see other dispensaries
[48:38] and you zone for that that would be a
[48:42] pre-existing non-conforming business and
[48:44] they could still operate
[48:46] so you know I continue to encourage the
[48:50] council people to come in and talk to us
[48:52] talk to the development department
[48:53] particularly Christine premiano who
[48:56] knows zoning very well
[48:59] um you know obviously
[49:01] there are aspects to this that are more
[49:05] complicated
[49:06] um you know not just where are you going
[49:08] to allow it but then what restrictions
[49:10] are you going to place on the businesses
[49:12] is it going to be as of right or you
[49:15] know in a particular District they could
[49:16] operate as of right or are you going to
[49:18] require these types of businesses to get
[49:20] for example special use Improvement so
[49:24] um you know I I would prefer obviously
[49:27] that you know the council to
[49:29] come forward or counsel people to come
[49:31] forward with a proposal
[49:34] certainly the Law Department can draft
[49:36] something but we don't you know to be
[49:39] honest we don't want it to be coming
[49:41] from us we want it to be the council's
[49:44] decision and changing the code and
[49:46] obviously this is going to be something
[49:48] that is probably not going to pass right
[49:50] away without quite a bit of discussion
[49:52] to um you know figure out where the
[49:55] consensus is in terms of where it's
[49:57] going to be and then what restrictions
[49:59] um you know the council will place on
[50:02] the establishment of those types of
[50:04] businesses
[50:06] happy to answer any questions you know
[50:08] either here or if anybody you know has a
[50:10] question later on you know you know how
[50:12] to reach out to me I'll try to make
[50:13] myself as available as necessary if you
[50:17] want to come in to you know talk to me
[50:19] or talk to Mr Marnie talk to Ms primiano
[50:22] we want to make ourselves available so
[50:25] that you know we can have something in
[50:27] our code sooner rather than later
[50:38] I think making it clear uh
[50:41] differentiation to anyone listening or
[50:43] also in the room regardless of where we
[50:45] put uh zoning that doesn't restrict its
[50:48] usage throughout our city
[50:50] generally that's correct yeah
[50:53] um you know for example if you go to The
[50:54] Dispensary on Upper Union you certainly
[50:57] you can make a purchase there and then
[50:59] you know go through downtown and you
[51:01] know have whatever you purchase and and
[51:03] smoke it right or anywhere else in the
[51:06] city for that matter well we have a
[51:08] restrictions in the park right right
[51:11] um you know so long as this is not
[51:13] prohibited in certain places
[51:15] um and obviously we've you know the
[51:16] council has taken action to restrict it
[51:19] in in Central Park
[51:21] right and and all the other parts for
[51:24] that matter right
[51:25] um but certainly you know barring any
[51:28] other statute
[51:30] um you can you know use it in another
[51:33] place
[51:34] um so it I know that I appreciate the
[51:37] question because I know some people
[51:39] think that it will create a limitation
[51:42] on where it can be used limitations
[51:44] already exist
[51:46] um but where it's not limited it would
[51:48] therefore be permitted to be used
[51:53] as far as yeah I would just uh invite my
[51:55] council members to consider um the
[51:57] spirit in which this legislation was
[51:59] drafted with the state
[52:00] um I think it's Unique in the way that
[52:02] there is a you know uh social uh justice
[52:06] component to this that um people who um
[52:09] for marginalized communities who have
[52:11] been disproportionately impacted by
[52:13] prohibition laws
[52:14] um there's right written right in the um
[52:17] in the legislation that you see from the
[52:19] state
[52:20] um that uh you know there is an effort
[52:23] to correct a historical wrong there so I
[52:25] think that um as we consider zoning
[52:29] um and we're you know prohibited uses
[52:31] things like that that we just are
[52:33] mindful of we're looking through that
[52:34] same lens of the spirit of the
[52:36] legislation from the state
[52:41] do you know right now where they are
[52:43] there was a there was a stay on that a
[52:45] hold on that because there was a lawsuit
[52:47] so do you know where that lawsuit is
[52:49] right now I think it currently is at a
[52:52] place where uh there's an injunction
[52:54] preventing uh the safe from issuing
[52:57] licenses right now
[52:59] um I have no idea what the timetable is
[53:01] for you know that lawsuit
[53:05] so I I and I'm not aware of any other
[53:08] entities seeking to do business in the
[53:10] city of Schenectady that do have in hand
[53:13] a license other than the one that's
[53:15] currently open
[53:17] um
[53:18] so you know
[53:21] whether or not you know that lawsuit is
[53:24] dragged out or
[53:26] um or ends tomorrow uh obviously you
[53:29] know as you all know and I'm sure you
[53:31] know people at home know
[53:32] um the zoning is going to have to
[53:34] obviously be put in place we'd like it
[53:36] to happen sooner rather than later but
[53:38] you know we wanted to be relatively
[53:40] comprehensive to address the concerns
[53:42] that you all have and people of
[53:44] Schenectady have
[53:46] so in terms of timeline I mean how how
[53:48] soon would you like all council members
[53:50] to come and have discussions for us to
[53:51] bring things to you so that we can have
[53:53] this done in somewhat of a timely manner
[53:56] obviously you know I think that's really
[53:58] a question for the council
[54:00] um you know the sooner you come to us to
[54:02] discuss it and kind of you know figure
[54:05] out you know where your fellow council
[54:07] members stand on it and you know propose
[54:10] something to the council you know
[54:11] something tangible and to discuss and you know negotiate over the better
[54:17] off I think will all be
[54:19] um you know I couldn't tell you that you
[54:21] know
[54:22] next week is it you know a deadline I I
[54:24] can't create that this is really a
[54:26] question for the council in terms of you
[54:29] know and I've only spoken to some of you
[54:30] about this where you stand on this and
[54:32] you know um what you see both in terms
[54:35] of locations where you're going to you
[54:38] know where you believe we should allow
[54:40] it and then what restrictions we should
[54:42] put in place and I say restrictions I
[54:44] mean that not to say you can't do
[54:46] something but what types of permissions
[54:48] is the city going to Grant whether it's
[54:50] a special use permit certainly so I
[54:52] think that site plan approval if you're
[54:53] going to open a new business
[54:55] that's going to be a question for the
[54:57] council but why you know I've been
[55:01] saying it for a little while now you
[55:02] know I encourage you to reach out to me
[55:04] and you know share your thoughts I know
[55:05] some of you have and I appreciate that
[55:07] um you know the way I would view it is
[55:10] start with the geographic areas in the
[55:12] city where you think you know you're
[55:14] okay with having those types of
[55:16] businesses and then once you've
[55:18] identified that
[55:20] start thinking about the restrictions or
[55:24] the requirements they're going to in
[55:25] place put in place for the sense of
[55:27] businesses to operate
[55:30] and there's already existing
[55:33] restrictions in certain I mean for
[55:35] example I keep hearing 11 000 puts in
[55:38] terms of like not within a thousand
[55:41] people to school I think I mean those
[55:43] must be state regulations that we'd also
[55:45] have to but I will give you a call I
[55:47] wasn't aware that um
[55:49] doing that so that so we reach out to
[55:52] you try to come in and have a one-on-one
[55:53] but there are existing restrictions
[55:57] right the state has put in place certain
[55:59] restrictions
[56:00] um and they do they have made those
[56:02] determinations when they've granted
[56:04] licenses
[56:06] um you know in other words you know if
[56:09] you're within so many feet of a school
[56:11] the state will not issue a license to
[56:14] begin with
[56:15] um it's based on the location not
[56:18] necessarily just the entity that's
[56:20] looking to open it
[56:22] mayor
[56:25] in that
[56:26] with a thousand feet from school sounds
[56:30] logical makes sense it actually reads a
[56:34] thousand feet and the Second Street
[56:35] right so where we had the
[56:38] facility open uh or Union Street
[56:44] schools around the corner of Baker
[56:47] Avenue within that distance but it's not
[56:50] on the same street and so again I think
[56:53] the state's intent who's in the right
[56:55] direction but some of the actual
[56:57] implementation was flawed yeah and so I
[57:00] totally agree we have to look at that
[57:03] like we have
[57:05] no smoking Zone around City Hall Ellis
[57:07] Hospital has one around their facility
[57:09] so there are some facilities like the
[57:12] city parks we're getting I think people
[57:14] accept it and make sense it's logical uh
[57:18] in general it's not enforcement people
[57:20] are compliant and how do we get that
[57:22] message out and so that it's not
[57:25] creating a negative impact for
[57:29] other businesses or people who are in
[57:31] the community
[57:35] any other questions regarding this Miss
[57:38] Williams I would say I know that
[57:39] councilman on palomini recommended the
[57:41] specific districts and I think just put
[57:44] it out there for digestion I think my
[57:47] only issue with that is just I feel like
[57:49] it was very restrictive
[57:50] um
[57:51] and my conversations that I've had with
[57:53] Mr Colton he's mentioned
[57:56] probably leaning closer towards full
[57:57] release just because of how our city is
[57:59] currently district and how putting it in
[58:02] any one zoning can
[58:05] make things difficult moving forward for
[58:07] us to manage within the city
[58:08] and I think also
[58:12] going on his recommendation of using our
[58:13] special use permits in a particular way
[58:15] I know for myself whenever I look at
[58:17] potentially opening up the downtown area
[58:19] one of the issues that we currently hear
[58:21] from not only
[58:23] business owners but also residents and
[58:25] people patronizing it is limited parking
[58:27] so I think uh understanding where we
[58:31] would not want to see these areas is a
[58:33] place to start and trying to make sure
[58:35] that we make the most of each of these
[58:36] conversations I think everyone
[58:37] recognizes this is a big topic but I
[58:40] think in addition to having our
[58:42] one-on-one discussions I'm looking
[58:43] forward to having a discussion with
[58:45] Kristen I keep hearing how she's the
[58:47] subject matter expert in this area I
[58:49] think I would like to hear if everyone
[58:51] feels comfortable where you do not feel
[58:53] comfortable with these types of
[58:54] businesses existing in the city
[58:59] I certainly appreciate the concerns I
[59:03] think they're valid
[59:05] however the
[59:07] recommendation for industrial zones is
[59:10] similar to that that's been used for
[59:11] other businesses and types of activities
[59:14] in the city it's nothing new secondly
[59:18] we've also looked at things like for
[59:21] instance specific neighborhoods with
[59:22] liquor stores and we said we didn't want
[59:24] them there so to
[59:28] I guess
[59:30] to say that we can't put those
[59:34] restrictions or put those businesses in
[59:37] certain areas where quite frankly the
[59:41] parking issue is taken care of it
[59:43] doesn't prevent people from using it
[59:45] throughout the city it's a large space
[59:49] in order for a business to operate it's
[59:51] safe to meet the m1m2 zoning makes sense
[59:57] but
[59:59] and it's been done for other other
[1:00:01] businesses in other types of activities
[1:00:04] so I think
[1:00:06] perhaps we need to take a little bit of
[1:00:09] a further look into some of the things
[1:00:12] that have happened previously in order
[1:00:14] to really understand the zoning aspects
[1:00:17] so that we can all be on the same page
[1:00:23] so whatever that's all council members
[1:00:25] to do is to submit is the 14th good
[1:00:27] enough for the right time first half is
[1:00:29] our next meeting the 14th okay to submit
[1:00:31] your concerns your what you would like
[1:00:33] to see you know all of that to Mr Colvin
[1:00:36] and also make sure miss Mike who's
[1:00:38] included on that email to by the 14th so
[1:00:42] that we can then have this more in-depth
[1:00:44] discussion on the 18th which is our next
[1:00:47] committee meeting
[1:00:52] you know to definitely send in you know
[1:00:55] some of your thoughts I think that this
[1:00:57] is a situation where we want to be
[1:00:58] really uh mindful that we're giving
[1:01:01] input from the community
[1:01:03] um so we're not making decisions based
[1:01:05] on our limited scope I think that it's
[1:01:06] really important that we engage your
[1:01:07] community
[1:01:09] um and talk to people so when we come to
[1:01:10] the table we're not just bringing our
[1:01:12] own ideas but maybe ideas that we can
[1:01:15] agree with or even disagree with just so
[1:01:17] we know that I'm worthy for discussion
[1:01:18] right so when we get to that you know
[1:01:20] we're going to have a public discussion
[1:01:21] absolutely yeah between now and four
[1:01:24] teams I think that it's worth it's
[1:01:26] nobody for people to you know reach out
[1:01:28] to the council member absolutely okay
[1:01:31] any further discussion
[1:01:33] okay so we'll bring this back in two
[1:01:34] weeks
[1:01:36] our next item exception is establishing
[1:01:39] a six-month moratorium
[1:01:41] uh the submission and processing the
[1:01:43] Builder building permits for uh Smoke
[1:01:46] Shop Safe shops and tobacco and the
[1:01:49] consumption businesses there was a
[1:01:50] public hearing on uh the 14th during the
[1:01:53] public hearing we had four speakers and
[1:01:56] the speakers were mostly talking about
[1:01:59] um the fact that what I got something
[1:02:01] from it that to close them or to not
[1:02:04] have them but this is really a
[1:02:05] moratorium on the existing ones are
[1:02:07] there and they're not that's not going
[1:02:09] to change but the moratorium would be
[1:02:11] that during that time no new ones could
[1:02:14] open so um open news up for a discussion
[1:02:17] again at this point in time Mr Colden
[1:02:20] can explain what would the process be
[1:02:23] if we were to move forward the
[1:02:28] ordinance would be presented to the
[1:02:31] planning department at the County uh for
[1:02:34] review
[1:02:36] they have roughly 30 days to provide us
[1:02:39] with their opinion on the moratorium
[1:02:42] whether they're in favor of it or
[1:02:45] against it or as I suppose have no
[1:02:47] opinion of it
[1:02:49] based on
[1:02:50] the response from the county if the
[1:02:53] county was to not be in favor of it that
[1:02:57] doesn't prevent the city council from
[1:02:59] moving ahead with the ordinance but you
[1:03:01] need a super majority to approve it if
[1:03:06] the county were to come out in favor of
[1:03:09] it
[1:03:10] then it could pass by simple majority
[1:03:17] fun especially if we are in that
[1:03:19] questions
[1:03:22] I know part of the discussion was
[1:03:24] evaluating how important it was
[1:03:26] continuing on
[1:03:28] Mr Woodbury is not here at the moment Mr
[1:03:30] May are able to speak to any progress
[1:03:32] made in that department
[1:03:35] they continue to do that not only in
[1:03:38] these shops but other venues who need a
[1:03:42] certificate of occupancy need of
[1:03:46] excuse me a public assembly permit
[1:03:51] don't have a summary on that but I told
[1:03:53] Jen that would have naeem call him
[1:03:57] tomorrow if you want that put together
[1:03:58] for the council as a whole we have it
[1:04:01] set out assume tomorrow or first thing
[1:04:04] the following morning
[1:04:07] and if I'm going to say if people get
[1:04:10] any complaints
[1:04:13] call them into naive because again we
[1:04:17] can generally know all the places some
[1:04:19] have popped up and are trying to be
[1:04:22] compliant other ones are
[1:04:27] going down with a classified's an
[1:04:29] interesting pathway for opening business
[1:04:34] Miss Williams and the only reason why I mentioned that and please chairman is
[1:04:38] to call them if I summarize anything you
[1:04:40] say inaccurately moving forward with the
[1:04:43] moratorium is a very serious action that
[1:04:45] the city is going to undertake and I
[1:04:47] think it is important for us to hedge
[1:04:49] our vets and continue moving forward
[1:04:51] with that as an action item however if
[1:04:54] it is not needed I absolutely would like
[1:04:56] to stress the importance of cautioning
[1:04:58] and then if we're identifying that the
[1:05:00] enforcement is curbing a lot of those
[1:05:03] concerns that we've had and been
[1:05:04] receiving from the public I think that is something that should be taken
[1:05:08] into consideration when we essentially
[1:05:09] approve or deny move forward with
[1:05:14] Mr Farley I would just um kind of echo
[1:05:17] what Mr Williams was saying I believe
[1:05:19] that it's best for us to graduating
[1:05:21] interventions and I think that we'll
[1:05:23] know um once we get the um information
[1:05:26] um from the name I think that we're in a
[1:05:28] better position to make a more informed
[1:05:30] decision on what we're going to do
[1:05:31] moving forward and I think that that um
[1:05:33] would just be a wise choice to make sure
[1:05:35] that we have the information in front of
[1:05:36] us before we uh make a decision
[1:05:44] the moratorium only makes sense I mean
[1:05:47] we're talking three four months at the
[1:05:50] most if we do our business
[1:05:51] um those that are already in the
[1:05:54] pipeline of being
[1:05:56] granted ability to open business they're
[1:05:59] not impacted at all it would just be
[1:06:01] those who are looking that's going to
[1:06:03] take some time anyway probably a couple
[1:06:05] months so we're talking about maybe a
[1:06:07] month or two of the most we've done
[1:06:08] these in the past there's been no
[1:06:10] comment about these being Extreme
[1:06:13] Measures we've done them with with other
[1:06:16] activities like convenience stores it's
[1:06:19] been no issue you can quite frankly you
[1:06:22] probably didn't do a very good job on
[1:06:24] that in my opinion of what the
[1:06:26] convenience stores of getting the zoning
[1:06:29] done in an effective and efficient
[1:06:32] manner but if we did our business an
[1:06:35] appropriate manner here we're talking a
[1:06:37] matter of three four months it helps the
[1:06:40] enforcement aspect because if a new
[1:06:42] store pops up you automatically know
[1:06:45] they're illegal um and it allows the
[1:06:48] enforcement aspect of ketchup to those
[1:06:51] businesses that are out there to the
[1:06:53] mayor's point of dealing with those
[1:06:57] businesses that are doing
[1:06:59] appropriate map we have a number of
[1:07:01] business who are but there's also those
[1:07:03] who aren't so this just gives us the
[1:07:05] time to catch up get our act together
[1:07:08] get the zoning done relatively rapidly
[1:07:11] and figure out how to go down that road
[1:07:15] and make sure that the complaints we're
[1:07:16] getting from the neighborhoods stop
[1:07:19] because there is significance of concern
[1:07:22] has been brought up with several
[1:07:23] neighborhood association meetings
[1:07:25] particularly Bellevue and some other
[1:07:28] neighborhoods of there's too many smoke
[1:07:31] shops within this area we know some of
[1:07:33] them weren't properly open and this
[1:07:37] gives us the chance to
[1:07:39] really catch up with the enforcement but
[1:07:41] also deal with the zoning issue
[1:07:48] Mr Golden to the
[1:07:50] Barney actually that mentions something
[1:07:52] about
[1:07:52] um
[1:07:53] that we're if we talk about doing some
[1:07:55] moratorium on smoke shops and do we have
[1:07:58] to consider
[1:07:59] um other shops that have like use like
[1:08:01] we're talking about the Cannabis so can
[1:08:02] you talk about how that all interacts
[1:08:05] sure and the way Mr Marne had phrased it
[1:08:08] previously is called a drastic measure
[1:08:11] which it is
[1:08:12] [Music]
[1:08:14] this only applies to vape shops smoke
[1:08:17] shops and similar youth shops it doesn't
[1:08:20] apply to cannabis the state has occupied
[1:08:23] that space in regulating cannabis
[1:08:27] lounges and dispensaries so this would
[1:08:29] not apply to those types of businesses
[1:08:33] so be limited to the smoke shops vape
[1:08:35] shops and similar crops that do not
[1:08:38] include cannabis dispensaries
[1:08:42] so what's before us now is that we would
[1:08:44] if we were to move forward it would go
[1:08:46] 30 days they would have their knees have
[1:08:48] to come back to the council once again
[1:08:50] correct so the
[1:08:53] presumably if the council were to move
[1:08:55] ahead with this next week
[1:08:58] um it would then and if it passes it
[1:09:00] would then go to the county development
[1:09:02] Agency for review and they have 30 days
[1:09:05] and then it would come back and during
[1:09:07] that time period obviously you know the
[1:09:09] council can you know obviously be
[1:09:11] getting the the zoning process of these
[1:09:14] types of businesses and it could be that
[1:09:16] 30 days from now or 30 days from when
[1:09:19] you send it to the count the account
[1:09:20] date
[1:09:21] um
[1:09:22] you know you've established zoning and
[1:09:24] you have something set you don't have to
[1:09:26] move forward with the moratorium at that
[1:09:28] time however at least you know you start
[1:09:30] the process by sending into the county
[1:09:32] that doesn't require you to take action
[1:09:34] if the county were to come out in favor
[1:09:37] of a moratorium or be supportive of it
[1:09:40] Council can still say we're not going to
[1:09:42] move ahead to them Mr Farley I would say
[1:09:45] just um in to be responsive to what
[1:09:48] we're hearing from the community and um
[1:09:50] uh definitely neighborhood association
[1:09:53] meetings and they're expressing as a
[1:09:55] concern I guess to Mr Coleman's point of
[1:09:57] moving forward what uh
[1:10:00] take away the opportunity for us to get
[1:10:02] the information from name and we still
[1:10:05] have the opportunity to look at that
[1:10:06] information and then decide whether we
[1:10:08] want to move forward or not and if we're
[1:10:10] already you know but I guess it would be
[1:10:12] wise to move forward therefore you still
[1:10:14] have that opportunity if not we can just
[1:10:16] you know we'll be somewhat wasting time
[1:10:18] where we don't need to waste time
[1:10:19] because we decide that's the action we
[1:10:21] need to take try to give us the
[1:10:22] opportunity to make a definitive
[1:10:23] reaction but again I just really want to
[1:10:25] stress the importance of making an
[1:10:26] informed decision based on the
[1:10:28] information that we're getting from
[1:10:29] Uncle enforcement
[1:10:31] so at this point in time we would still
[1:10:33] want to um just for clarification to
[1:10:35] make get the information from naive and
[1:10:37] the motion that the question before us
[1:10:40] now is whether or not we move this
[1:10:42] forward to refer to accounting
[1:10:45] come here thank you my personal purpose
[1:10:49] would be sending to a county get their
[1:10:51] input
[1:10:52] and I could not asked anybody in terms
[1:10:56] of the towns or Villages within the
[1:10:58] county or I think they're there's
[1:11:01] similar activities whether it have risen
[1:11:04] to the point of being an irritant
[1:11:05] whether it's under review but Canada
[1:11:08] County look at it and send it back in a
[1:11:11] fairly quick turnaround and then the
[1:11:13] council could act an appropriate Banner
[1:11:16] having had you know another set of eyes
[1:11:18] on it in another level of input
[1:11:27] the lovely commotion that we send we
[1:11:28] send it forward to the county for review
[1:11:32] take the next steps from there good
[1:11:35] I second that all in favor
[1:11:39] okay our next sign on the agenda is the
[1:11:42] ceremonial resolution for junior
[1:11:44] League's International Mr palomini yes
[1:11:46] they have a
[1:11:48] inaugural finally birthday on September
[1:11:51] 14th and uh they would just like to call
[1:11:54] some attention to this so it's a
[1:11:56] ceremonial resolution to recognize that
[1:11:59] thing
[1:12:04] five times
[1:12:07] is to follow up on the arbor context
[1:12:11] um where we are at this point and to be
[1:12:13] sent in information so it's probably
[1:12:15] going to be a pretty lengthy discussion
[1:12:17] Mr
[1:12:19] um Mr Ferrari has sent everyone every
[1:12:21] council member a packet in addition to
[1:12:24] emailing it to you that in hard copy
[1:12:28] um so rev I know that maybe you know if
[1:12:35] there's a specific order here but I
[1:12:37] noticed that there are a lot of people
[1:12:38] here
[1:12:39] from the Miracle on Craig Street and so
[1:12:42] for that reason I will move it up to the
[1:12:43] top of this discussion so we can do that
[1:12:45] so you don't have to stay through our
[1:12:47] entire discussion unless you want to
[1:12:48] okay
[1:12:57] so at this point in time council members
[1:12:59] you all have the information of uh how
[1:13:01] much has been allocated
[1:13:03] um what date is appropriated and where
[1:13:06] that particular project stands right now
[1:13:08] there is one other thing I want to bring
[1:13:10] up before we get to that discussion I
[1:13:12] sent the email to Mr um Holden always
[1:13:14] today though to ask him to take a look
[1:13:16] at at the overview of the arbor uh arpa
[1:13:20] guidelines because there's based on what
[1:13:24] I'm seeing there's a possibility that
[1:13:27] there may be a shorter time frame three
[1:13:30] months shorter time frame in in
[1:13:32] 2026 for people to actually spend the
[1:13:36] money so I was getting I read it and
[1:13:38] before I sent out the alarm I wanted Mr
[1:13:40] Colton to read it to make sure that I
[1:13:42] interpreted that correctly so that we
[1:13:44] stay on time in terms of the money that
[1:13:47] we've allocated and what people are um
[1:13:50] and how people are spending it making
[1:13:52] sure we need that timeline so you can
[1:13:54] let me know I will let you know I
[1:13:56] haven't come up with a conclusion yet I
[1:13:58] want to look at some backup information
[1:13:59] so that you know I don't want to give
[1:14:02] you the wrong answer obviously okay
[1:14:04] so could you start with bear plant where
[1:14:06] all that Romeo with that oh yeah of
[1:14:09] course
[1:14:10] um today I believe we have some
[1:14:12] representative representatives from
[1:14:13] Miracle Craig to discuss uh their
[1:14:16] project today I don't know if you'd like
[1:14:17] me to come up and then go over every
[1:14:20] other project
[1:14:21] after that or if you would like to start
[1:14:23] so I'd like you to start with how much
[1:14:25] invalidated um of course yeah where we
[1:14:27] are with that and what the request is
[1:14:30] uh as a date from the documents that
[1:14:34] Anthony Ferrari commissioner provided
[1:14:36] you the certification of 1.25 million
[1:14:41] dollars and
[1:14:45] I know that we had there's one year from
[1:14:47] 822 you get the secure Financial
[1:14:50] commitments from other sources
[1:14:53] um and that's all I have for now they
[1:14:55] let
[1:15:05] tonight
[1:15:14] okay
[1:15:16] so according to the documentation
[1:15:18] provide to us with the estimate of
[1:15:21] construction uh the probable estimate of
[1:15:24] the project cost of approximately three
[1:15:27] million dollars and it looks like
[1:15:29] there's an area one and area two uh two
[1:15:33] different phases of that
[1:15:36] so we appropriate 1.25
[1:15:41] and I know that the this stuff is really
[1:15:44] small so I brought my laptop so I can
[1:15:46] read it so the contingency was one year
[1:15:49] from 822 22 to get to secure Financial
[1:15:53] commitments and other resources and
[1:15:57] um
[1:15:57] and right now then there was an ass by
[1:15:59] tat
[1:16:00] for a in process maybe the extension
[1:16:04] okay so go yeah
[1:16:07] for the extension
[1:16:09] um well we'll want to hear from them
[1:16:11] yeah
[1:16:16] this is
[1:16:29] for the public
[1:16:34] all right so um
[1:16:37] so the status of the project is that the
[1:16:40] estimate has been growing as the months
[1:16:43] pass as you're aware of code sent all of
[1:16:46] our construction costs into the
[1:16:48] stratosphere and we've been trying to
[1:16:50] contain the electrons as possible what
[1:16:52] we've done is uh
[1:16:56] we have finished the construction
[1:16:59] documents so everybody's welcome to leak
[1:17:02] through that video issues the whole
[1:17:04] project is activated and I you just feel
[1:17:07] that we don't really know what the
[1:17:09] actual cost could possibly be until we
[1:17:11] get to this so we had to walk through
[1:17:13] coming through on Friday we have
[1:17:15] contractors
[1:17:16] um
[1:17:17] that we've restructure from every corner
[1:17:20] and we're hoping to get some good dollar
[1:17:22] bids and then we ignorance actually
[1:17:24] what's the deficit is so my
[1:17:27] understanding right now is that you're
[1:17:28] requesting a four-month extension from
[1:17:29] the council okay
[1:17:39] so
[1:17:41] yes so that four-month extension is to
[1:17:44] come up they need to come up with the
[1:17:46] rest of the money to the 3 million or
[1:17:48] whatever it is that you're estimating as
[1:17:49] the project budget we believe that in
[1:17:52] those four months we will know what the
[1:17:53] actual costs are and Rosa's here to tell
[1:17:56] you about the other
[1:17:58] possible sources that have been
[1:18:00] approached and how that will
[1:18:03] um
[1:18:04] contingency I believe that we put on the
[1:18:06] project was that they one point the rest
[1:18:09] of the yeah is yes the rest of money
[1:18:11] that they would have to come up with and
[1:18:13] now that money is more because the
[1:18:16] project costs have decreased
[1:18:19] so I just wanted to be clear about that
[1:18:22] um
[1:18:26] well first of all do any other
[1:18:28] councilman just have questions regarding
[1:18:30] that um what's been said so far in terms
[1:18:32] of the project and considering that
[1:18:34] they're asking for an extension to the
[1:18:35] end of the year to get through your get
[1:18:38] through the bidding process get some
[1:18:39] contractors on board you can work with
[1:18:41] you can go down the cost to quickly if
[1:18:43] we can usually contractors separate
[1:18:45] ideas on that and if we have to put the
[1:18:48] project into occupancy in two phases
[1:18:52] um we fit it that way so we'll know that
[1:18:56] how much we could actually accomplish
[1:18:58] with your 1.25 and we've designed it such that the
[1:19:03] building is occupiable at that point
[1:19:06] so it may not be fully occupied but it
[1:19:08] is fully accessible toilets or match the
[1:19:12] occupancy and many of the programs would
[1:19:15] be able to
[1:19:17] answer I haven't been called before
[1:19:19] Smithfield I think we've already set
[1:19:20] with code enforcement and looked at the
[1:19:22] two
[1:19:24] kind of a base approach okay okay
[1:19:27] so you wanted you wanted to tell us
[1:19:30] where your other funding is coming from
[1:19:32] if that is a that's a that's a huge
[1:19:33] question
[1:19:34] what's the date you have the bids coming
[1:19:37] back in 26th September 26th okay
[1:19:51] um
[1:19:51] [Music]
[1:19:53] my name is Rosa Rivera I'm the director
[1:19:56] of Miracle On Christ Street
[1:19:58] um so right now I really uh was planning
[1:20:03] to talk a little bit about programming
[1:20:05] but I'll jump into sustainability perks
[1:20:09] um so what we're looking at to bring in
[1:20:12] the rest of the money for the capital
[1:20:13] project is
[1:20:16] um
[1:20:17] two Grant applications one is the
[1:20:21] historical preservation program grant
[1:20:23] for African-American spaces this grant
[1:20:27] is a state Grant and it's up to you can
[1:20:30] apply up to five hundred thousand
[1:20:32] dollars for Capital Renovations we've
[1:20:36] had our eye on this for quite a while
[1:20:39] and we've gotten some letters of support
[1:20:42] to apply for this grant it's opening
[1:20:45] back up September 9th and we're also
[1:20:48] looking at a niska grant which is also
[1:20:52] for Capital Improvements
[1:20:54] which Barb had sent us it's I believe
[1:20:59] you can apply for up to 250 000 so those
[1:21:02] are both opening up this week
[1:21:06] and
[1:21:07] um we've met with some of our County
[1:21:10] legislators
[1:21:12] um hoping that they will support us and
[1:21:15] piecing together the rest of this
[1:21:17] funding to open a building they're
[1:21:20] supposed to be discussing our project
[1:21:22] with the rest of the county legislators
[1:21:25] this week as well
[1:21:27] we were really hoping when we started
[1:21:30] our bid process that you know the 1.25
[1:21:34] would be like the majority of the money
[1:21:37] for this project and as you have heard
[1:21:40] the crisis have went up
[1:21:42] and have increased quite a bit so we've
[1:21:46] kind of had to switch gears a little bit
[1:21:49] getting just kind of the budget back
[1:21:51] from Barb and then going into the bid
[1:21:55] process a few you know last week or so
[1:22:00] um
[1:22:01] so that's our plan
[1:22:04] um I think that nobody wants to wrap up
[1:22:08] this Capital project more than me
[1:22:10] um I'm really hoping that these next
[1:22:13] four months can
[1:22:15] um help us to bring in the rest of this
[1:22:17] money that we're successful with these
[1:22:19] Grant applications of course having the
[1:22:22] Arca award really is a point of Leverage
[1:22:26] or the other applications and also for
[1:22:29] the county to support us so we're really
[1:22:32] hoping that we can close that Gap and
[1:22:35] make it happen
[1:22:36] by January
[1:22:39] um
[1:22:39] so that's what our plan is for bringing
[1:22:43] the capital money yes it's the other two
[1:22:47] Grant applications when will you hear
[1:22:49] about the result of those Grant
[1:22:51] applications within this four-month
[1:22:53] period you'll know whether you're going
[1:22:54] to get that funding yeah we should hear
[1:22:56] from them by the end of the quarter in
[1:22:58] December
[1:23:01] and do you know how much you're asking
[1:23:03] for from the county
[1:23:05] so
[1:23:07] [Music]
[1:23:07] um
[1:23:09] we have the 500 000 for the
[1:23:14] African-American preservation Grant 250
[1:23:16] from the capital and then we do have a
[1:23:20] hundred and fifty thousand dollar award
[1:23:22] for Metroplex that's still on the table
[1:23:25] kind of waiting for the bids to come
[1:23:28] back in
[1:23:29] um as well they're kind of you know
[1:23:31] waiting for the same thing that you guys
[1:23:33] are waiting for
[1:23:34] um so it would be the Gap to that I
[1:23:36] don't have that number in my mind right
[1:23:39] now
[1:23:41] any other questions Mr palomini in this
[1:23:44] past year how much money have you
[1:23:46] actually raised
[1:23:48] for the capital projects
[1:23:50] so we've got some small grants I think I
[1:23:53] put them in the cover letter for
[1:23:56] um kind of like maintenance
[1:23:58] um painting the building doing
[1:24:03] um
[1:24:04] you guys know we have had
[1:24:06] um kind of like a quasi site control of
[1:24:09] the property so we we have had to
[1:24:11] maintain the property since the pandemic
[1:24:13] and you know begin to do some volunteer
[1:24:16] Renovations there were new things we
[1:24:19] have shown a little bit of kind of like
[1:24:22] our progress in the presentation that we
[1:24:24] sent to you guys
[1:24:29] so it's about 44 000. that's probably
[1:24:32] the number that I had yeah I just wasn't
[1:24:33] sure if there was another
[1:24:38] so at this point in time on the requesty
[1:24:41] forces to give a four-month extension to
[1:24:43] get the bids all in and also to
[1:24:47] um get that Gap and funding closed
[1:24:49] Mr Farley I guess my question would be
[1:24:52] um because number one I appreciate you
[1:24:54] know the primaries and efforts and the
[1:24:56] things that you're doing because you
[1:24:57] guys are basically working in the
[1:24:59] community right now which I think says a
[1:25:01] lot to your commitment
[1:25:03] um and already offering some Services
[1:25:05] some pretty uh amazing things happening
[1:25:07] right now so I want to congratulate you
[1:25:08] on that definitely I'm just thinking um
[1:25:10] is the four months a lot of time going
[1:25:13] to be enough time because I think that
[1:25:15] as we see you know places materials are
[1:25:18] coming up and I know that um
[1:25:22] covert has impacted a
[1:25:24] significant impact on their ability and
[1:25:26] kind of forecast when things can get
[1:25:28] done and whether to fall within you know
[1:25:31] what the expected price range was I was
[1:25:33] wondering do you think that maybe even
[1:25:36] um offering yourself a little more
[1:25:37] cushion time so you don't have to come
[1:25:39] back and ask your mother I don't I just don't know anything that that would
[1:25:42] be possible and I know you want to get
[1:25:44] this done and believe we have our own
[1:25:45] deadlines ever working with them as well
[1:25:47] I just wanted to um put that out there
[1:25:49] and see what you're doing
[1:25:53] um well Barb actually thought that six
[1:25:55] months would be better and we kind of
[1:25:57] went back and forth on that
[1:26:00] um for the purpose of the vids I think
[1:26:04] the purpose of
[1:26:06] raising the rest of the capital I'm
[1:26:09] really pushing for that four months
[1:26:12] I don't know if you wanted to say a word
[1:26:14] well just my concern is is if we don't
[1:26:17] get enough Bitters and we feel like we
[1:26:19] need to go back up to bed
[1:26:21] you know at least we'll have some sense
[1:26:23] of
[1:26:24] dollar Valley Ranch
[1:26:28] to you guys I think more time is always
[1:26:31] a little more cushion is always safe
[1:26:33] perfect
[1:26:35] well I just want to remind you that
[1:26:37] we're working within time frame no the
[1:26:39] federal government has given us a time
[1:26:40] frame right so we that's not that
[1:26:42] doesn't change it won't change so we
[1:26:44] have to stay within that the question
[1:26:46] for Mr Google I don't remember the
[1:26:48] legislation is it need to be allocated
[1:26:52] 2024 right and the 25th yes I'm gonna
[1:26:57] answer that
[1:26:58] man hey man president
[1:27:02] yeah the reality is that
[1:27:05] the financial plan is somewhat weak here
[1:27:09] we're also seeing that with the
[1:27:11] Empowerment Center
[1:27:14] there's supposed to be some discussion
[1:27:16] to see whether miracle and Craig and
[1:27:18] Empowerment Center could work together
[1:27:20] in a joint project
[1:27:24] where we take some of the money that
[1:27:26] we're going in both directions put it in
[1:27:28] one project to get something that's
[1:27:29] successful as opposed to two that we're
[1:27:32] not able to finance and just wondered
[1:27:34] what your position was on that or any
[1:27:36] discussion it's been having on that
[1:27:38] topic
[1:27:39] yeah so
[1:27:42] um can I just go into a tidbit about
[1:27:45] programming correctly and circle into
[1:27:48] that no I don't think that we don't do
[1:27:50] that okay very many many times okay whoa
[1:27:54] so I guess in short
[1:27:56] um we're really looking at uh our
[1:27:59] programming spoke has changed to focus
[1:28:01] on kind of like holistic Women's Health
[1:28:04] I think that we would be of course open
[1:28:07] to collaborating with the Empowerment
[1:28:09] Center I don't know fully what their
[1:28:12] scope is I think it's around Workforce
[1:28:14] Development so it's definitely kind of
[1:28:17] very different uh what we're doing I
[1:28:21] think we could you know put it all Under
[1:28:24] One Roof I don't know if
[1:28:27] um it would make the most sense
[1:28:29] programmatically kind of having people
[1:28:32] come in for
[1:28:35] uh Women's Health Services and dual
[1:28:38] services and lactation counseling and
[1:28:40] yoga and Workforce Development
[1:28:43] um maybe I'm open to the conversation
[1:28:46] and I express that to Ron and Kristen so
[1:28:50] I'm happy to to have that and talk about
[1:28:52] it more so now I have to step back
[1:28:54] because I thought that the programming
[1:28:56] was really focused on youth programs
[1:28:59] a community center I mean that is what
[1:29:03] we have heard in the past I think that
[1:29:04] was the Grant application that we
[1:29:06] received from the Carver Community
[1:29:08] Center the arbor application I don't
[1:29:10] think talked to women's holistic health
[1:29:13] so although I just said Gee we don't
[1:29:16] need to hear about the programming it
[1:29:17] now sounds like there's a change in
[1:29:19] emphasis
[1:29:20] on what condition of the cargo Community
[1:29:22] Center is as close to what you have been
[1:29:25] coming to us for in the past they said
[1:29:29] did you get to read through the yeah
[1:29:31] okay
[1:29:33] I just wanted to make sure that you had
[1:29:35] it yeah okay well yeah all right did you
[1:29:38] want to speak for that
[1:29:40] um
[1:29:41] sure I
[1:29:43] um so in the past
[1:29:45] we have kind of expressed not a youth
[1:29:48] center was always a family center but
[1:29:51] more of like a catch-all kind of Center
[1:29:54] where we would rely more on Partners to
[1:29:57] come in and run programming but over the
[1:30:00] past four years or so I've been
[1:30:04] practicing as a doula and a yoga
[1:30:06] instructor prenatal yoga instructor
[1:30:07] there's a large kind of Public Health
[1:30:10] Initiative around maternal health and
[1:30:13] there's some big legislation happening
[1:30:15] next year with some
[1:30:17] reimbursements around dual services and
[1:30:20] getting people access to some of the
[1:30:24] resources that we've been piloting over
[1:30:27] the last two years I've kind of put in
[1:30:29] the packet a little bit about that and
[1:30:31] some of the grants that we received from
[1:30:33] those pilot programs
[1:30:36] um so I think that it has shifted a bit
[1:30:40] um but we never kind of um we're
[1:30:43] planning to be like a youth Drop in
[1:30:45] Center
[1:30:47] um but I think as we came
[1:30:49] um back to the council and we spoke
[1:30:52] several times and just working with our
[1:30:54] board you know we really needed to have
[1:30:57] a foundation and work from our strengths
[1:31:00] and you know be able to have programs
[1:31:04] that we can sustain and then we can have
[1:31:06] additional Partners come in and you know
[1:31:08] the community come in and utilize the
[1:31:10] center but we really needed a game plan
[1:31:12] to you know keep the center open Mr
[1:31:16] Farley So to that point
[1:31:19] um um yes with the large initiatives
[1:31:21] that we see on the state and federal
[1:31:22] level on what you're talking about I
[1:31:24] think that that speaks to sustainability
[1:31:26] so we're not so what we described as a
[1:31:29] shift
[1:31:31] um I think is also it was not only being
[1:31:32] responsible for sustainability but
[1:31:34] responsive to the community and I would
[1:31:37] um
[1:31:37] foreign
[1:31:48] some of the benefits from being
[1:31:51] Grassroots and I know we're used to
[1:31:52] funding kind of big box nonprofits
[1:31:56] um who've been around and been operating
[1:31:58] for some time I think the reason why we
[1:32:00] want to make sure that we're supporting
[1:32:01] these type of things just for that
[1:32:02] reason because you have the ability to
[1:32:04] be responsible to the community and need
[1:32:06] and it's also clearly an issue of equity
[1:32:08] which is why we have to be mindful in
[1:32:10] our approach when we're funding things
[1:32:11] that we're doing in the heck of a manner
[1:32:13] that we're not um just funding again our
[1:32:16] large big box non-profits because that's
[1:32:19] what we think some oil that's been done
[1:32:20] and I think this coven money
[1:32:22] um there's language in in the
[1:32:24] legislation that speaks to um
[1:32:26] communities that are greater impacted by
[1:32:28] covert which Hamilton Hill is one of
[1:32:30] those communities so I just wanted us to
[1:32:32] be mindful and um and make sure that
[1:32:34] we're being intentional about the way
[1:32:36] we're receiving this information and
[1:32:38] never allowing you to operate with them
[1:32:40] at school and it seems like that's what
[1:32:41] you're doing so thank
[1:32:50] okay
[1:32:53] Mr William uh first and foremost the
[1:32:55] efforts that you and your team have
[1:32:57] taken on our affordable uh you
[1:32:59] continuing this narrative over the past
[1:33:01] few years has required a lot of strength
[1:33:04] and energy and that should not go
[1:33:06] unnoticed I think where we're currently
[1:33:08] at as a council and then correct me if
[1:33:10] I'm wrong man McCarthy this project has
[1:33:13] to be of success not just because the
[1:33:15] impact it'll have within this
[1:33:16] neighborhood but also the resounding
[1:33:18] impossible in the community this has to
[1:33:20] work whenever I hear of extensions my
[1:33:23] mind immediately goes through all right
[1:33:25] what is this success rate now as we're
[1:33:27] functioning with a shortened timeline
[1:33:29] and I hope that you appreciate just my
[1:33:31] frankness
[1:33:32] definitely there's going to come a
[1:33:34] conversation topic ordinary of
[1:33:37] is this project success succeedable
[1:33:40] under its current management
[1:33:42] and please I would like to hear everyone
[1:33:45] else's opinion and I don't think that is
[1:33:47] doing a discredible to what has been
[1:33:49] continuing on but I think with hearing
[1:33:51] as we're then getting closer to this
[1:33:52] December 2024 date my fear is will we
[1:33:56] then not have an opportunity to
[1:33:58] reallocate this money as equitably as a
[1:34:01] as we need to so that it's not lost Miss
[1:34:04] Patrick I would like to Echo that
[1:34:05] because I think that we've had I mean
[1:34:07] I've only
[1:34:09] just in the time that I've been on
[1:34:10] Council we've had extensions before
[1:34:13] um I think but none of our non-verbal
[1:34:15] money not on our but on other other
[1:34:18] things related so my question so I hear
[1:34:21] what Mr Williams is saying and I share
[1:34:24] that concern
[1:34:25] um and I guess I was going to flip the
[1:34:26] question that Mr Farley had which is so
[1:34:29] you get to the end of the four months
[1:34:31] um if you haven't received these other
[1:34:33] grants what is your you what is your
[1:34:36] plan
[1:34:37] yours and the boards in terms of when do
[1:34:40] you say okay we've been working on this
[1:34:42] now for I think eight eight or nine
[1:34:44] years
[1:34:46] um like what's your next step if you
[1:34:48] don't get this funding
[1:34:51] so I think that you know
[1:34:56] um
[1:34:59] I think the next step if we don't
[1:35:01] receive the funding right and we don't
[1:35:05] um
[1:35:05] and we lose the award right that's what
[1:35:08] we're talking about
[1:35:09] um I think we would
[1:35:12] um have to scale back and and look at a
[1:35:16] different space I think the thing that
[1:35:19] we're already doing and we're working
[1:35:21] out of the stocking and inner Bliss you
[1:35:25] know it's not quite in the neighborhood
[1:35:27] in the community that we want to work in
[1:35:30] and that we live in and so we have to
[1:35:33] really look at that and you know but
[1:35:35] yeah I'm
[1:35:39] and I I say that with all respect to the
[1:35:42] effort that you as as Mr Williams did
[1:35:44] you know the efforts that you've put in
[1:35:47] um I hope you're hearing that because I
[1:35:49] certainly have watched and seen the word
[1:35:50] that work they're doing over these last
[1:35:52] several years
[1:35:53] um but I just do have that concern Mr
[1:35:56] Farley well number one I appreciate the
[1:35:59] concerns of the council members I think
[1:36:00] that it's important that we are
[1:36:02] considering you know what the forecast could
[1:36:05] possibly look like
[1:36:06] um again I would just you know say that
[1:36:08] you know the same way that you know any
[1:36:10] other project that um we have funded in
[1:36:12] the city um there's contingencies and
[1:36:15] the contingencies aren't met then our
[1:36:18] responsibility to the city of
[1:36:19] Schenectady is to move forward
[1:36:21] accordingly and I don't see
[1:36:23] um anything being different from Miracle
[1:36:25] on Crabtree and I'd also just uh you
[1:36:27] know just in plain language I mean like
[1:36:29] you know it's important that you know if
[1:36:31] we want this project to be successful
[1:36:33] when we think this as a valuable project
[1:36:35] you know Miracle correctly exactly is
[1:36:38] asking for you know a specific amount of
[1:36:41] money in a specific amount of timeline
[1:36:42] if you feel that um the money
[1:36:45] um if they need more money you know and
[1:36:47] we have more money to support them
[1:36:48] that's always an option
[1:36:50] um so I I welcome that on from federal
[1:36:53] council members if you feel that this is
[1:36:55] a project that's important and speaks to
[1:36:57] the our needs of the community and again
[1:37:00] it's a very unique project
[1:37:02] um and again and we talk the language of
[1:37:04] equity a lot and and what we do about
[1:37:07] this is a way to demonstrate equity and
[1:37:10] to make sure that we're getting the
[1:37:11] project what it needs to be successful
[1:37:13] um and I think that we have an
[1:37:15] obligation to do that and I think that
[1:37:17] Our obligation stops once we come to our
[1:37:19] reasonable agreement and if Marathon
[1:37:20] pressure is unable to make uh fulfill
[1:37:23] the agreement they're no different than
[1:37:25] anyone else who's not able to fulfill
[1:37:26] the agreement then um they want to
[1:37:28] receive the funding but I think that um
[1:37:30] it's important that we demonstrate
[1:37:32] equity in our practice right now not
[1:37:33] just again talk about it
[1:37:36] so again sorry I just wanted to
[1:37:40] piggyback off that um you know how do
[1:37:44] you know my boyfriend here
[1:37:45] manufacturing team
[1:37:48] um five times News basketball champion
[1:37:50] um I just wanted to I know we said we
[1:37:55] weren't going to talk about programming
[1:37:56] but that seems to be coming up a whole
[1:37:58] lot here at this table and I just wanted
[1:38:00] to um touch on the programs that are
[1:38:02] existing uh without being in the
[1:38:04] physical building
[1:38:06] um use mural program that I run myself
[1:38:09] um also the community and police
[1:38:11] basketball league that has ran
[1:38:13] successfully uh six years straight we
[1:38:16] haven't done in the past year obviously
[1:38:18] because of the construction we had done
[1:38:19] in Jerry Burrell Park
[1:38:21] um so just wanted to touch base on that
[1:38:24] also the Partnerships I mean we're kind
[1:38:26] of getting into the weeds but again
[1:38:27] questions have arised at this table that
[1:38:30] you said we weren't going to talk about
[1:38:32] but you guys have valid concerns so just
[1:38:34] want to make sure that we address them
[1:38:36] so Community fathers we plan on housing
[1:38:39] men in the space which they'll bring
[1:38:40] their own programming in that rooms are
[1:38:43] spoke to along with we've been talking
[1:38:45] to Schenectady City School District
[1:38:46] about their continuing ed programming
[1:38:49] and Barbara mentioned a very important
[1:38:51] part about
[1:38:58] so as Mr Farley stated we are Grassroots
[1:39:02] so we're not you know we have to treat
[1:39:04] this project
[1:39:06] not differently but kind of right we
[1:39:09] have to if we're talking about Equity
[1:39:11] um you know support will look kind of
[1:39:13] different
[1:39:14] um so I just wanted to speak to what we
[1:39:16] have done already I don't know if you
[1:39:18] guys got a chance to kind of browse
[1:39:19] through our slideshow but we've done a
[1:39:21] lot over the years and especially in the
[1:39:23] past year
[1:39:25] um so there hasn't been like a huge
[1:39:26] shift in programming it just looks
[1:39:29] different because it's it's being geared
[1:39:31] more towards family and not just you if
[1:39:34] that makes sense I just wanted to add
[1:39:36] that
[1:39:37] so our discussion right in this point in
[1:39:40] time is whether we whether we give the
[1:39:42] four-month extension and then see where our miracle-under in four months
[1:39:47] I'd make a motion to give the full month
[1:39:49] extension oh second all those in favor
[1:39:52] aye thank you thank you extension you're
[1:39:55] welcome is this for you
[1:39:58] don't give feedback
[1:40:00] yeah
[1:40:03] okay Derek you can come back
[1:40:18] did you continue
[1:40:25] okay it is it's right right even for me
[1:40:41] so do you want to go in order for things
[1:40:43] and we'll follow you
[1:41:07] looks like they're still going to be
[1:41:09] sure uh 795 000 if they get all that
[1:41:13] money
[1:41:14] approximately
[1:41:19] but those amounts they say that they
[1:41:21] said up until up to so it doesn't mean
[1:41:24] they're going to get a 250 yeah I just
[1:41:27] wanted to throw that up there and um the
[1:41:29] accounts I didn't realize that so
[1:41:35] um I think so Anthony Ferrari sent you
[1:41:37] this great worksheet except worksheet
[1:41:40] with all the updates from all the
[1:41:44] projects that are going on
[1:41:47] um I think really the contest to make
[1:41:49] some big decisions on what they're going
[1:41:51] to move forward with there's a lot of
[1:41:54] commitments and contingencies that some
[1:41:56] of these organizations have to come up
[1:41:59] with so
[1:42:00] if there are any questions or that or
[1:42:04] anything that I think maybe reach out to
[1:42:06] an organization to hopefully again if
[1:42:09] you have any questions
[1:42:18] she was wondering what uh funding what
[1:42:21] has going on with the funding for the
[1:42:23] project I did reach out to Lauren
[1:42:26] Gardner to see if we need updates on
[1:42:28] that since those two are linked uh begin
[1:42:31] to respond so
[1:42:43] no there's a couple things I want to be
[1:42:45] very specific about there were a couple
[1:42:47] of things that I think we really need to
[1:42:49] take a look at there were requests for a
[1:42:52] change of use of funds there were
[1:42:54] requests for extensions of time we just
[1:42:56] heard one and there's also requests for
[1:42:58] additional funds so
[1:43:01] um I can start with the YWCA if you um
[1:43:04] all right so the YW yeah the YWCA I
[1:43:09] think let me just be clear that Mr
[1:43:10] Ferrari sent us all the emails as he got
[1:43:12] them and then last Thursday in
[1:43:15] preparation for this meeting he sent it
[1:43:16] all as one packet so and then it's also
[1:43:19] printed out for you in front of you
[1:43:21] um so the YWCA is asking for a six-month
[1:43:26] extension and they're also asking for an
[1:43:28] additional 750 000 dollars
[1:43:32] the original request was to build
[1:43:34] something called the Harbor House which
[1:43:36] is
[1:43:37] a building that's behind the current why
[1:43:41] and and now they're asking for the
[1:43:43] additional 750 to do some Renovations of
[1:43:47] 42 units within their existing property
[1:43:50] but we haven't um I have not gotten I've
[1:43:53] asked for but I have not gotten kind of
[1:43:55] some detail on what that really would be
[1:43:57] and where women would be housed while
[1:43:59] they're renovating and all that stuff
[1:44:01] um they did uh the mayor hosted the
[1:44:04] meeting here a couple weeks ago and so
[1:44:08] they came and asked that so one of the
[1:44:09] follow-ups was to say you wanted the
[1:44:12] addition 150 extension they'd already
[1:44:14] asked for excuse me at 150 7.50 but how
[1:44:18] was the exact Amusement so we hadn't
[1:44:20] gotten that yet
[1:44:22] so I open that Alexa discussion
[1:44:25] Mr Farm yeah so so there
[1:44:28] are not changing their what they wanted
[1:44:31] to do with their initial the funds that
[1:44:33] were granted they're saying that they
[1:44:34] want to do what they're not to do with
[1:44:36] the initial funds
[1:44:37] um for a harbor house and then the
[1:44:40] additional funds that they're requesting
[1:44:41] would be for a separate project correct
[1:44:44] separate Gifts of their existing
[1:44:46] building at um whatever number
[1:44:48] Washington Avenue yes so their existing
[1:44:52] building that they have and it's been
[1:44:54] there for 135 years they want to do some
[1:44:56] renovation in that building as well and
[1:44:58] that's what they're asking for the
[1:45:00] additional 754 and we don't have all the
[1:45:03] details of that correct okay but the
[1:45:05] initial Harbor House project could
[1:45:09] stand alone from this project
[1:45:12] do you understand what you're saying
[1:45:13] yeah
[1:45:17] so I see this then
[1:45:21] piggybacking what Mr Crowley says as two
[1:45:23] separate requests the request that we
[1:45:25] have already approved which was Grant
[1:45:27] they applied WE Post we agreed to it
[1:45:31] this is almost like asking for another
[1:45:34] Grant without going through a Grant
[1:45:36] application process right somebody oh my
[1:45:38] misunderstanding well I wouldn't call it
[1:45:41] I guess you people get it like that but
[1:45:43] I see it as a requesting additional
[1:45:45] funds to make sure that their facilities
[1:45:47] what's needed to cancel William the
[1:45:50] women and
[1:45:51] um as we've said costs have gone up and
[1:45:53] so there's the Harbor House and then
[1:45:56] they wanted they wanted to make sure
[1:45:57] since they're creating this new facility
[1:46:00] that they upgrade where people women
[1:46:02] currently live as well so I don't know
[1:46:05] if it's necessarily a new Grant request
[1:46:06] but I understand how you can see it like
[1:46:07] that
[1:46:12] to do some do something yeah
[1:46:16] if they had done two applications for
[1:46:19] the classified as a nine percent
[1:46:23] financing package
[1:46:26] competitive process
[1:46:30] Ary bhcr in the state they did not think
[1:46:33] the cut set up so
[1:46:36] what looking at now is a four percent in
[1:46:40] the nine percent is a competitive
[1:46:41] package you have to go out and compete
[1:46:44] against projects within the community
[1:46:45] within the region within the state
[1:46:48] the four percent is more of a negotiated
[1:46:51] process it's not as lucrative for the
[1:46:54] developer but the Senators there that
[1:46:57] make it work
[1:46:58] and so they're approaching an ounce of
[1:47:00] four percent and it will be again dhcr
[1:47:04] which stole me the lead in terms of
[1:47:06] reviewing it make sure it makes sense to
[1:47:09] them that they would Grant those tax
[1:47:11] credits to allow it to go forward and
[1:47:14] then the city's money would be
[1:47:17] uh to close the deal to do uh council
[1:47:22] president pointed out some of the
[1:47:23] original proposals and then some
[1:47:27] necessary work in the building proper
[1:47:31] that has been there
[1:47:35] probably 60 years without major
[1:47:38] Renovations maybe longer
[1:47:42] so that they would have a new building
[1:47:44] and then have the upgrades to the
[1:47:47] existing facility it's
[1:47:51] at this point it
[1:47:53] and more optimistic about it than under
[1:47:54] the competitive proposal or the four
[1:47:56] percent again it's negotiated so we're
[1:47:59] working with them working with the state
[1:48:02] they're of course making requests
[1:48:04] because anytime you get money from some
[1:48:07] other source it makes it easier to put
[1:48:09] it together and gives a greater level of
[1:48:14] competitiveness
[1:48:17] having said that it's no different than
[1:48:20] miracle and pregnancy
[1:48:22] the Empowerment Center this one until
[1:48:25] you go out and have the final bid and
[1:48:29] you've got a firm price from the
[1:48:32] contractor there's widely varying
[1:48:35] numbers of what the original assumptions
[1:48:38] are and what we could actually do these
[1:48:40] projects we don't want to get into
[1:48:41] something where we don't have enough
[1:48:43] money on the table to be able to finish
[1:48:45] it and so as we're working with these
[1:48:48] groups it's yes we want them to raise
[1:48:50] money I want them to step up but at the
[1:48:53] same time is
[1:48:55] kind of like the city's money to close
[1:48:57] the deal not to put it into your
[1:49:00] starting and then only getting it
[1:49:02] halfway done and you have something that
[1:49:04] really doesn't serve anybody's needs
[1:49:07] down
[1:49:09] and so if you need um do you need are
[1:49:12] you asking for additional information to
[1:49:13] the other new 750 that Edition 715
[1:49:17] do you need more clarity on how they
[1:49:19] wanted to send that are you still at new
[1:49:21] Grant application well I mean so they
[1:49:24] right now
[1:49:27] we've
[1:49:33] 700 said 750 000 dollars
[1:49:38] they need an extension the six months
[1:49:43] um so the total cost is 21.5
[1:49:48] million 1.5 million oh that's a good
[1:49:52] question
[1:49:53] versus the 750.
[1:50:03] yeah it says yeah 21 points
[1:50:19] I guess I mean can they do the project
[1:50:21] that we initially awarded them in the
[1:50:23] 750 000 can they do that project at 750
[1:50:27] 000.
[1:50:29] Derek do you know the answer to that
[1:50:32] um
[1:50:34] my understanding is
[1:50:38] that to get the numbers to work for the
[1:50:41] four percent package you have to do
[1:50:45] bigger project within the building the
[1:50:49] four percent it's going to be tougher
[1:50:51] than just the new addition
[1:50:53] even though some of that is still fluid
[1:50:56] and
[1:50:59] they're working with
[1:51:01] dhcr to go through those scenarios and
[1:51:04] options
[1:51:06] I would at this point encourage the
[1:51:08] council to
[1:51:10] approach it is
[1:51:12] you got to do the whole thing you can't
[1:51:14] do the new building and leave the
[1:51:16] existing building
[1:51:19] kind of in a backward state that it's
[1:51:22] not code compliant and it's only going
[1:51:25] to have other issues going forward just
[1:51:27] routine maintenance they've had issues
[1:51:30] where pipes have broken
[1:51:33] home ownership and everything too a
[1:51:36] Basics very easy basis not quite as
[1:51:39] cleanse
[1:51:40] a do you have cancer sir
[1:51:44] yeah so I it sounds to me like
[1:51:47] so yes I would like to give more
[1:51:50] information on that just because I want
[1:51:52] to to draw just a little more clearly as
[1:51:55] to how connected the projects are and if
[1:51:59] the projects are connected and it's one
[1:52:01] of those things that the mayor's saying
[1:52:03] that we need to do it all or do nothing
[1:52:05] you know I
[1:52:07] you know mine's but my limited
[1:52:09] information that I have I would think
[1:52:11] you'd be better off to fund something in
[1:52:14] a way that it can move forward and
[1:52:16] actually produce their uh service their
[1:52:18] Community then under fund it and then
[1:52:21] again let it kind of be a waste of
[1:52:23] resources but I I think that it's fair
[1:52:25] to say like those are some questions
[1:52:27] that I think for them to because I
[1:52:29] didn't see that
[1:52:31] so are you asking for them to come like
[1:52:33] here and explain it or do you want it in
[1:52:36] writing it'd be good if they could just
[1:52:38] maybe send something you know just send
[1:52:40] something over and we can reach out you
[1:52:41] know definitely I can reach out
[1:52:45] or are you looking for a funding
[1:52:46] material and see exactly where they are
[1:52:48] and then I'd rather them just give us
[1:52:50] you know more information than needed
[1:52:52] yeah you know they're not less but I
[1:52:53] just kind of really want to see how the
[1:52:55] two projects are connected and are they
[1:52:57] uh
[1:52:58] depending on one another
[1:53:01] important mayor
[1:53:04] my suggestion Council would be issue
[1:53:07] like agree upon an extension and I don't
[1:53:10] know if they could like give me the
[1:53:11] information tomorrow I understand
[1:53:13] they're working through that and it
[1:53:15] might be two weeks it might be six weeks
[1:53:18] before they have the numbers together
[1:53:20] and what the uh
[1:53:22] scope of the work is in what
[1:53:24] would meet the standards for dhcr where
[1:53:27] they would actually be able to assist in
[1:53:30] the finances
[1:53:31] so at this point I'm sorry no I'm saying
[1:53:34] I agree but so are you being with the
[1:53:36] accenting and the additional money
[1:53:38] information um
[1:53:45] I have a problem with this whole thing
[1:53:48] and it's not just one project or another
[1:53:51] the overall scope I mean you created a
[1:53:55] process you created
[1:53:59] contingencies
[1:54:00] and now they're basically meaningless so
[1:54:04] we talk about Equity we have 70 percent
[1:54:06] 80 percent of the city that is a Justice
[1:54:09] boarding community and you know it's
[1:54:13] we've created these aspects to be put in
[1:54:17] place and we're disregarded
[1:54:19] so what does that say to the other
[1:54:21] organizations and I think that's
[1:54:23] something that we need to address
[1:54:24] because that to me is is very
[1:54:27] problematic because why create the
[1:54:30] contingencies why have those things in
[1:54:33] place as far as a process if we're not
[1:54:36] even going to follow what we've put out
[1:54:37] there
[1:54:38] so my response is that we create the
[1:54:41] process at that time and things ever
[1:54:43] where they as they were things have
[1:54:45] changed since then in terms of cost of
[1:54:47] things all those things and additionally
[1:54:49] the opportunities for every single
[1:54:51] person who was going to funding would
[1:54:53] send a letter saying where are you they
[1:54:55] had an opportunity to come back and say
[1:54:56] this is where we are we need a lot more
[1:54:58] time we need more money we need whatever
[1:55:00] so it's not like no one had the
[1:55:03] opportunity they had the opportunity so
[1:55:05] it's not like we said to one group you
[1:55:07] can't come and talk to us or send us
[1:55:08] additional information but to this other
[1:55:10] group we can because because that's sort
[1:55:12] of like what I'm hearing you say and
[1:55:13] that's what I'm saying you know is we've
[1:55:16] created these contingencies you guys
[1:55:19] I've already known you put these
[1:55:21] contingencies in place and then you're
[1:55:22] saying that doesn't matter here let's
[1:55:24] just do whatever as each one comes up
[1:55:26] we're looking at each one as a one-off
[1:55:29] instead of as a whole and now we don't
[1:55:32] have a good track of where the money
[1:55:34] stands we don't have a very good ex I
[1:55:38] idea of how these costs are going to go
[1:55:42] forward we knew when these projects came
[1:55:44] that much of the costs were quite
[1:55:47] frankly not even close to what they
[1:55:49] would be
[1:55:50] so we knew that going in
[1:55:52] and so we granted the money anyway but
[1:55:56] now we're saying that it doesn't matter
[1:55:58] I think that's a problem for other
[1:56:00] organizations and I think just being
[1:56:03] consistent is important
[1:56:07] in terms of
[1:56:08] um go ahead not only the organizations
[1:56:11] that we did Grant Arbor funds to but
[1:56:13] everyone who put in an application as
[1:56:15] well
[1:56:16] um seeing that you didn't follow what we
[1:56:18] some guidelines that we put forward
[1:56:21] but the restrictions and guidelines went
[1:56:23] towards the one that we've done
[1:56:25] absolutely so but they're thinking now
[1:56:29] you know I just don't think it's
[1:56:30] appropriate I I understand the point I I
[1:56:34] have not had any organization come back
[1:56:36] and say why didn't we we get funded but
[1:56:39] I understand your point Thank you so far
[1:56:41] well again I you know I can appreciate
[1:56:44] the concern but I think that you know uh
[1:56:46] especially around the president that it
[1:56:49] says but I think we need to be clear
[1:56:50] that even like whether some of our city
[1:56:52] projects that uh people voted in
[1:56:55] unanimous yes for
[1:56:57] um have
[1:56:58] uh budgets have almost doubled
[1:57:02] um and we still owe it yes in
[1:57:04] consideration
[1:57:06] um for because of Ontario costs and
[1:57:07] things of that nature so I think that if
[1:57:10] we're going to give that level of
[1:57:13] um of Grace understanding and responding
[1:57:17] to what's happening with our city
[1:57:18] project City projects I mean surely we
[1:57:21] you know we'd be suited to do the same
[1:57:23] for our organizations and especially the
[1:57:25] smaller organizations in particular
[1:57:27] because again some of our city
[1:57:29] um projects which are great projects
[1:57:30] what we all stood behind um unans people
[1:57:33] yes have a cost to have almost double
[1:57:36] and we still supported them unanimously
[1:57:39] we're always talking about Community
[1:57:41] input we want to talk about the cost of
[1:57:43] going for the pool largely a lot of
[1:57:46] those costs increase because of input
[1:57:48] from the community asking for a splash
[1:57:52] pad asking for all their stuff so that's
[1:57:54] where a lot of the costs increase and
[1:57:56] secondly if you have put contingencies
[1:57:58] on the city projects then okay we're
[1:58:02] comparing apples apples but we're not
[1:58:04] those contingencies weren't put on so
[1:58:07] that's the issue and so when we talk
[1:58:10] about these organizations we talked
[1:58:12] about the ones who weren't funded and
[1:58:13] they're looking at well hey you know
[1:58:15] we're granting money to a project that
[1:58:18] wasn't even applied for that's a problem
[1:58:21] when we look at
[1:58:23] getting rid of contingencies which we
[1:58:25] put in place and saying now we'll give
[1:58:28] this one five months we'll give this one
[1:58:30] eight months we brought into a
[1:58:32] credibility problem
[1:58:34] in order to give an extensions prior to
[1:58:36] this
[1:58:37] so this is not the first time which
[1:58:39] projects which what did we would gave an
[1:58:42] extension um where there was a
[1:58:44] particular extension that we gave it's
[1:58:46] like probably almost all the projects of
[1:58:47] like a top almost a year that was from
[1:58:50] last September right to this September
[1:58:53] right so that was the contingency
[1:58:55] emotionally uh contingencies and by 9 23
[1:58:58] right yeah
[1:59:01] so yeah I I understand what you're
[1:59:04] saying but I don't think that you're
[1:59:05] actively represent representing block
[1:59:07] was set so when you say when you say
[1:59:09] like there's a contingency and then
[1:59:10] we're just saying oh that contingency no
[1:59:12] longer doesn't matter that's definitely
[1:59:14] not what I'm saying but what I'm saying
[1:59:16] is that the same way that we made
[1:59:18] reasonable decisions based on new
[1:59:20] information that was presented when we
[1:59:22] looked at some of our city progress even
[1:59:23] if the cost doubled without a
[1:59:25] contingency on it
[1:59:27] um that's still the pretty significant
[1:59:28] thing to double the cost of a project
[1:59:30] but collectively we understood how that
[1:59:32] could happen and when you numerously
[1:59:34] supported that so I just think that we
[1:59:35] need to have the same metric when we're
[1:59:37] looking at some of our community
[1:59:38] organizations if not we do have a
[1:59:40] problem with credibility but it might
[1:59:41] not be the one you jerk on
[1:59:44] so
[1:59:45] at this point in time the question
[1:59:48] becomes they want they're asking for a
[1:59:50] six-month extension but they're also
[1:59:51] asking for additional 600 750 000 so
[1:59:55] um
[1:59:56] but what I'm hearing is that you
[1:59:58] consider the extension but want
[1:59:59] additional information about this other
[2:00:01] part of the project is that
[2:00:02] I think so although I think what I'm
[2:00:04] also hearing from the mayor
[2:00:07] meeting that you had is that part of the
[2:00:09] issue with this additional 750 is so
[2:00:11] that they can get that better 40 I mean
[2:00:14] it's that my understanding that
[2:00:15] correctly four percent is not a better
[2:00:18] rate you could say yes competitive
[2:00:21] it's an option that's out there
[2:00:24] English but to get the numbers who are
[2:00:25] kept to a larger project and so they're
[2:00:28] still going through some of the cost
[2:00:29] analysis and it has the meat
[2:00:33] criteria Within bhcr's review so where
[2:00:38] they didn't make the cut and the nine
[2:00:41] percent they're now oh I see okay reach
[2:00:44] out to DHA arts and was can't we do this
[2:00:46] on a
[2:00:47] four percent
[2:00:49] again where the nine percent is you put
[2:00:53] it in it's yes you get it no you don't
[2:00:56] the four percent is more of a negotiated
[2:00:58] process so we go in and say well you
[2:01:00] know if you had
[2:01:01] extra assistance from the city council
[2:01:03] you could do part of this or do we have
[2:01:06] to finance the whole amount through a
[2:01:09] developer
[2:01:11] and it's uh
[2:01:14] it's not as lucrative for the developer
[2:01:16] but it's a process that I believe will
[2:01:19] allow that project to go forward but I
[2:01:21] can't sit here and tell you to say give
[2:01:24] them an extra dollar give them an extra
[2:01:26] million dollars and they don't need
[2:01:29] all these the costs are going up
[2:01:32] Fair
[2:01:35] you know
[2:01:37] tight budgets we want to try and work
[2:01:40] with them to make it happen so if this
[2:01:44] point that my recommendation will be if
[2:01:47] the council agreed on
[2:01:49] an extension
[2:01:52] it's like miracle and Craig one and they
[2:01:54] really wanted six months you gave them
[2:01:55] four months maybe let's be clear they
[2:01:58] ask for four months
[2:02:00] and so you know it's how do you workers
[2:02:04] build at the same time keep a little bit
[2:02:05] of pressure on them to move the project
[2:02:09] forward get things lined up to be able
[2:02:12] to again move forward a successful yeah
[2:02:17] Mr Williams I can only speak for myself
[2:02:20] I think looking at all these projects
[2:02:22] when we receive them in whole I may
[2:02:24] certain determinants based on criteria I
[2:02:28] selected various projects based on the
[2:02:30] benefits that they have to the community
[2:02:31] which are still
[2:02:33] um
[2:02:34] true to today so as we Now function and
[2:02:38] a new reality where covet is still very
[2:02:41] much affecting a lot of qualities of
[2:02:43] life it's understanding how do we
[2:02:45] salvage some of these projects which
[2:02:46] that truth still holds true that their
[2:02:49] impact on the community is such
[2:02:51] so getting to this point I agree with
[2:02:53] the mayor of how do we hold these types
[2:02:55] of additional requests accountable and I
[2:02:58] think it's the manner in which we do it
[2:03:00] I have no issues with this extension and
[2:03:02] hearing this information although I'd
[2:03:03] like to hear from the YW YWCA
[2:03:07] spokesperson I would feel more
[2:03:09] comfortable going through the remainder
[2:03:11] of these projects and then understanding
[2:03:13] what other additional requests that we
[2:03:15] are making
[2:03:17] uh before allocating this additional
[2:03:20] money so I'm not opposed to giving them
[2:03:22] this increase however I want to make
[2:03:23] sure if we're doing that what are we
[2:03:25] doing at the expense of
[2:03:27] thank you
[2:03:28] so actually right before it's now before
[2:03:30] we really discuss um
[2:03:33] additional fund we want to know talk
[2:03:35] about whether there'll be an extension
[2:03:36] or not did you yes just an additional
[2:03:39] question so at the end of December for
[2:03:42] Miracle on Craig and now the end of
[2:03:43] February for them yeah if they're asking
[2:03:45] for another extension where do we stand
[2:03:47] on that well I can't answer for everyone
[2:03:50] but I'm just saying things that well
[2:03:52] something we need to consider and we
[2:03:54] will consider and there's already as
[2:03:56] I've said a number of times as I start
[2:03:58] this conversation we're looking at the
[2:04:00] federal
[2:04:01] um the Federal
[2:04:02] guidelines in the federal timelines so
[2:04:05] we will keep that in mind if it's not reasonable that they can do it
[2:04:08] then of course we will consider that
[2:04:13] so um again are we we're talking about
[2:04:16] the six month extension but not
[2:04:17] additional money at this point in time
[2:04:19] without the additional information I'm
[2:04:21] more comfortable
[2:04:22] so are you going to be getting each of
[2:04:24] these organizations that are requiring
[2:04:26] extensions the same amount of time
[2:04:29] um
[2:04:33] except except well we'll wait till we
[2:04:36] get there I mean I don't
[2:04:41] think we should we should make decisions
[2:04:42] for them they they made that decision
[2:04:44] yeah
[2:04:45] for all these organizations to have
[2:04:47] their contingencies and funding
[2:04:49] employees
[2:04:51] please speak out the should make the
[2:04:52] decision whether to be allocate that to
[2:04:54] whether a city project or Consolidated
[2:04:56] project so yeah I think that's a good
[2:04:59] idea so timeline that we we decide all
[2:05:03] of the projects that we have to make I
[2:05:04] think that's an excellent idea so at
[2:05:07] this point in time if we're talking
[2:05:08] about six months we're saying nobody
[2:05:09] goes beyond six months
[2:05:23] our timetable and you inhibited if not
[2:05:28] then you know that's what I'm saying so
[2:05:30] right now so before we get into looking
[2:05:33] at everything as a whole because I don't
[2:05:34] want to have like two different
[2:05:35] conversations if we're talking about the
[2:05:37] YWCA right now which is what I'm talking
[2:05:39] about I'm comfortable
[2:05:41] um with the mayor's recommendation to
[2:05:43] offer the extension
[2:05:45] um allowing them some time to give us
[2:05:48] you know a more full view of what is
[2:05:52] happening
[2:05:54] so it's two different things they would
[2:05:56] get the six month extension but they
[2:05:58] would have to come to talk to us or send
[2:06:00] this information about the 750 rules
[2:06:04] we don't need a we don't need to vote on
[2:06:06] something then we are
[2:06:08] the six month extension yes then I'll
[2:06:12] make a motion to give the YWCA a
[2:06:14] six-time extension I'll second always in
[2:06:17] favor
[2:06:18] all right
[2:06:20] um can we uh so the next one is cats
[2:06:25] scat has not asked for additional money
[2:06:27] or a Time
[2:06:32] they are asking for an amendment of use
[2:06:35] of their funds do you want to you want
[2:06:37] to talk about that here it is
[2:06:40] oh
[2:06:52] yes
[2:06:55] the agencies that requested me give them
[2:06:58] the opportunity to come before
[2:07:01] I'm not sure how that would take that
[2:07:04] here to to come um because it was we
[2:07:07] this was just a discussion for the
[2:07:09] council but um they were there so I gave
[2:07:11] them the opportunity to say a couple of
[2:07:13] words
[2:07:16] um it would be a much longer meeting and
[2:07:18] I don't think you could fight for
[2:07:19] everybody
[2:07:20] yeah
[2:07:22] make those decisions
[2:07:32] right here
[2:07:34] can you see it bigger here
[2:07:40] all right so what I have up to date
[2:07:42] which accounts already seen on their
[2:07:45] documents
[2:07:48] they want to change their work detail on
[2:07:51] that
[2:07:53] um they originally were appropriated a
[2:07:55] hundred thousand dollars
[2:07:59] let's go pick
[2:08:02] supports including testing vaccination
[2:08:04] education and safety services for
[2:08:06] homeless individuals and that's hard to
[2:08:08] read there so at this point in time we
[2:08:11] all have the letter from them yep and
[2:08:13] they are asking to change all of that
[2:08:15] funding to go towards rent
[2:08:18] um for to keep prevent homelessness
[2:08:20] which is what we've just given them I
[2:08:22] think the cbdg yes
[2:08:31] I mean especially regarding that changes
[2:08:34] use so your point
[2:08:36] they're a community blocking we just
[2:08:38] paid them for that correct yes so it's
[2:08:40] such a nice problems
[2:08:51] but I can find that information now
[2:08:55] um and this is
[2:08:58] last year rental subsidy subsidies what
[2:09:01] we just also have given money producing
[2:09:03] thank you
[2:09:04] two weeks ago
[2:09:06] I can't remember when it was okay this
[2:09:08] was a few weeks ago and um addition let
[2:09:12] me just everyone needed her
[2:09:14] that housing that rental assistance as
[2:09:17] we know is a critical need right and uh
[2:09:20] Miss Dia did uh send this back on August
[2:09:22] 17th but it was to change the Arca but I
[2:09:25] wanted to include it and make a
[2:09:26] discussion with all of them as opposed
[2:09:28] to just bringing that one forward
[2:09:33] I guess I would just note that this is
[2:09:35] you know you know they're changing the
[2:09:38] scope of services somewhat it's still um
[2:09:43] directive impact in the same uh
[2:09:45] population which is um population that's
[2:09:48] a Diaries
[2:09:51] I trust their
[2:09:54] approximation to where how those funds
[2:09:56] can be allocated
[2:09:58] I think it's a different plan of attack
[2:10:00] for the same problems how kind of how
[2:10:02] I'm saying it I don't know
[2:10:07] anyone else
[2:10:09] yes Mr Williams I think regardless of
[2:10:12] whether it's different or not or how
[2:10:13] different I think we've all recognized
[2:10:15] the systemic impacts of covid and how
[2:10:18] it's affected only our renters but also
[2:10:20] our landlord Community I think
[2:10:22] previously when we had this presentation
[2:10:24] they highlighted I believe was 250 000
[2:10:26] or something how that was a drop in the
[2:10:28] bucket that's what this issue truly is
[2:10:30] for not our city Charlotte County and I
[2:10:32] was hopeful and wanting to designate for
[2:10:35] that so seeing that there's an
[2:10:36] opportunity for them to leverage their
[2:10:38] current project
[2:10:39] it is not a black and white scenario Mr
[2:10:42] promeny but I think this honestly is
[2:10:44] very much how do we provide more
[2:10:46] resources to a community and so much
[2:10:48] need and I think that this is an
[2:10:50] absolute yes
[2:10:53] so Mr Golden so do we if we're talking
[2:10:56] about a change in U2 we have to
[2:10:59] do we have to roll them into that or is
[2:11:01] it that just a special we just made that
[2:11:02] decision
[2:11:03] you're going to have to change the
[2:11:04] resolution
[2:11:05] um you know so you'll have to amend just
[2:11:07] like you did with the timeline
[2:11:09] um the resolutions that were previously
[2:11:11] passed with the allocations were
[2:11:13] specific to a project
[2:11:15] without looking at their resolution I
[2:11:18] don't think could Encompass this
[2:11:20] particular type of change so I think you
[2:11:21] would have to actually have a resolution
[2:11:22] to do it because we haven't ever done to
[2:11:25] a contract well we have nots right okay
[2:11:27] yeah
[2:11:36] this is a complete different use I
[2:11:39] understand this has applications it's a
[2:11:42] need but how does that look in terms of
[2:11:45] all the projects that we looked at it's
[2:11:48] a completely different project and yes
[2:11:50] it might have gotten funded anyway
[2:11:53] but we don't know that because we're not
[2:11:55] looking at that scope we're just well oh
[2:11:59] they asked for something else so let's
[2:12:01] give it to them
[2:12:02] it's a little facetious but the reality is it's a different
[2:12:09] project and we're not considering it
[2:12:11] into the scope of all the projects that
[2:12:13] we received and that's the problem by
[2:12:16] going one by one instead of looking at
[2:12:18] everything a whole and saying well we
[2:12:20] like this 510 these ones probably don't
[2:12:24] fit that's the problem we're running
[2:12:26] into and that's the lack of consistency
[2:12:33] Miss Williams well I have to push back
[2:12:35] that is why we prepared to have that
[2:12:37] type of discussion I took detailed notes
[2:12:39] sir and I have in my mind a template of
[2:12:42] what I'm willing to adjust to with my
[2:12:44] single vote and I'm taking that into
[2:12:46] consideration with hearing from the rest
[2:12:47] of my council members
[2:12:49] from my standpoint the amount of details
[2:12:52] that I've looked at I feel comfortable
[2:12:54] with that decision and as you do like so
[2:12:55] I think as this can as this conversation
[2:12:58] develops I think that is where we're
[2:13:00] currently at right now
[2:13:03] so in in their letter they say the
[2:13:06] reason they're asking for the change
[2:13:07] what they originally asked for they were
[2:13:09] able to get funding from a different
[2:13:11] source so
[2:13:14] um they said they still need the funding
[2:13:16] however they'd like to use it for
[2:13:17] another need that that's already there
[2:13:19] so
[2:13:19] um we certainly couldn't let them give
[2:13:21] them the funding and then use
[2:13:24] um and then pay for something that they
[2:13:25] already had another grant for that we
[2:13:28] could not do so they simply said well no I mean at some point in your
[2:13:32] mind but they've said you still need the
[2:13:34] funding but we'd like to allocate it to
[2:13:36] a different use
[2:13:40] okay actually I think you've said this
[2:13:42] in the past I think that these things
[2:13:44] are existing both are existing at the
[2:13:47] same time both of you are saying can
[2:13:50] exist and be true at the same time
[2:13:52] because I get both of your points it is
[2:13:55] that we are actually
[2:13:58] I mean not everyone had the same
[2:14:00] opportunity to come in here and talk to
[2:14:02] us or to give us a new
[2:14:05] scope or a new proposal clearly if they
[2:14:09] got funding for covet testing which they
[2:14:11] probably got in a very timely way which
[2:14:14] we were not necessarily timely in making
[2:14:16] our decisions
[2:14:18] right in terms of How It's not allowed
[2:14:20] out they are performing to begin with so
[2:14:22] they obviously took care of what they
[2:14:24] needed with the you know so so yes we're
[2:14:27] looking at them one at a time instead of
[2:14:29] looking at
[2:14:30] um big picture exists with the same at
[2:14:33] the same time that this is such a
[2:14:35] critical need
[2:14:37] um at least this one is
[2:14:38] um in our community that how do we so I
[2:14:41] guess I'm saying to both of you how do
[2:14:43] we reconcile the fact that we all sit
[2:14:45] here and know because we had this
[2:14:47] discussion already about scap
[2:14:49] previously
[2:14:52] um we know what this this need for for
[2:14:54] rental assistance for people that are
[2:14:57] home you know just about homeless how do
[2:15:00] we reconcile these two things with the
[2:15:02] fact that right now we're making
[2:15:03] judgment calls
[2:15:04] and going outside of a process that we
[2:15:06] already had set up which I think is what
[2:15:09] you're saying
[2:15:10] um because for example let's let's face
[2:15:12] it we're going to get to the other the
[2:15:13] other folks uh in this pile
[2:15:17] um and even miracle and Craig Street I
[2:15:19] mean they totally changed the scope of
[2:15:21] their project from what they asked us
[2:15:23] for originally because
[2:15:26] to fit into the amount of money we gave
[2:15:28] them as opposed to I mean one of the
[2:15:30] contingencies that we had originally
[2:15:31] given them was
[2:15:34] um that they had to come up with the
[2:15:35] rest of the funding I can't remember the
[2:15:36] whole total of their project when in
[2:15:38] that first application but it was like
[2:15:40] double what we gave them instead they
[2:15:42] came back to us and said okay we've
[2:15:44] actually narrowed the scope of the
[2:15:46] project so that we can do the project
[2:15:47] with what you you are giving us so they
[2:15:49] already changed
[2:15:51] what they already did what now for
[2:15:54] example scaff is asking us about and
[2:15:56] pretty soon you're going to see if we
[2:15:57] get to Cocoa house that cocoa house is
[2:15:59] asking us I mean you know
[2:16:02] at the same time I think we have to
[2:16:04] recognize that
[2:16:05] like a year has gone by or more since
[2:16:09] these folks originally gave us their
[2:16:11] application so you know a lot has
[2:16:13] changed uh in the external environment
[2:16:16] in which they are operating
[2:16:18] all of them
[2:16:20] every single one of these you know
[2:16:22] organizations but every the letter was
[2:16:24] sent to everyone everyone had the
[2:16:26] opportunity to come back and ask the
[2:16:27] same questions these are the responses
[2:16:29] that we got just I want you to so it's
[2:16:31] not that everyone didn't have an
[2:16:32] opportunity to speak oh right oh I
[2:16:34] thought just the one yeah just the ones
[2:16:35] that we still didn't have
[2:16:37] to have fun everyone got the letter and
[2:16:38] then then that's how let me just also
[2:16:41] say that
[2:16:42] um it when Mr Ferrari took this over
[2:16:44] yeah that's right that's right so he
[2:16:47] asked everyone and then some of the
[2:16:49] contracts got in place
[2:16:57] um so yes and you're right it did take a
[2:16:59] year I don't I don't
[2:17:01] I can't speak to why but until he sent
[2:17:03] out the letters and say you must move or
[2:17:05] we will take our money back that's when
[2:17:06] things started moving forward right
[2:17:07] that's right so
[2:17:10] um
[2:17:11] again the you know the question on the
[2:17:13] table and and in terms of us looking at
[2:17:16] I think that we're looking at each
[2:17:17] project and we have to I mean we're
[2:17:18] looking at he fends out everything on
[2:17:20] every single sponsors right yes yes
[2:17:23] so um so there's to my knowledge there's
[2:17:27] no one that's left out
[2:17:29] no there shouldn't be uh you send emails
[2:17:32] it's down
[2:17:33] these organizations so
[2:17:36] um
[2:17:37] 99 of them did respond
[2:17:40] um like I said Anthony was in charge of
[2:17:43] the Soul amongst us so uh if you have
[2:17:46] any questions I could try to reach out
[2:17:47] to them or dig into his files and um
[2:17:51] see if there's any uh questions that
[2:17:53] could be answered
[2:17:55] so the question before is now is is the
[2:17:57] change of use for the 100 000 for um
[2:18:04] yeah I'm just going around isn't
[2:18:07] supposed
[2:18:09] but we can do that we can if no one has
[2:18:12] sloppy treats up forward
[2:18:14] so and just well yeah
[2:18:19] well then I'll make the motion that we
[2:18:21] do a serious opposition is there serious
[2:18:23] opposition it's a serious opposition to
[2:18:25] this guy
[2:18:27] for me
[2:18:30] I'll speak into the sense that I mean
[2:18:33] yes homelessness is a crisis so is
[2:18:35] domestic violence and we just asked for
[2:18:39] six months extension for that they would
[2:18:42] want to know why we're changing the
[2:18:44] scope of asking for an extra 750 by then
[2:18:47] so I and again to stay consistent I use
[2:18:52] almost everybody wants to change their
[2:18:54] application now and what they need it
[2:18:56] for I think we need to stay consistent
[2:18:58] and I'm sorry that's just my feeling you
[2:19:01] never have to be sorry for your opinion
[2:19:02] thank you
[2:19:06] Mr pulmonary settings
[2:19:11] I
[2:19:13] support it
[2:19:15] my support
[2:19:17] well I'm going to make the motion that
[2:19:19] we that we do it I'll second all those
[2:19:21] in favor all right
[2:19:25] um do you want to okay so I think I'm
[2:19:27] going to just stick with most of these
[2:19:28] items
[2:19:29] to turn by Council or push them through
[2:19:33] most information is here if there's
[2:19:35] questions or if there's information that
[2:19:37] yeah I want us to talk about the
[2:19:39] electricity Co-op
[2:19:41] because that's another one that has an
[2:19:43] extension but they're asking for a year
[2:19:49] and an additional 250 000.
[2:20:20] so
[2:20:22] um
[2:20:28] yes
[2:20:33] so when their update it's just like they
[2:20:36] really outlined it for us
[2:20:39] um they're our original resolution was
[2:20:42] 12 months from September 12 2022 they're
[2:20:46] asking for 24 months from that date
[2:20:49] which is really another year from this
[2:20:50] date and um
[2:20:55] they're asking for another 250 thousand
[2:20:58] dollars
[2:21:00] and also since the the scope of their
[2:21:03] project has lowered the amount that
[2:21:04] they're going through probably where our
[2:21:06] project is going to be they've um the
[2:21:08] resolution asset we asked that they
[2:21:11] match 5.7 million and so since the scope
[2:21:15] of the project is lower the cost of the Project's lower they're
[2:21:19] asking that the proposed requirement
[2:21:21] from us the lower
[2:21:26] do you have this I just
[2:21:28] so
[2:21:31] that's kind of the overview of that one
[2:21:36] right when we were still looking for the
[2:21:39] 5.7 million
[2:21:41] additional communities
[2:21:43] they're still looking for money
[2:21:45] oh it looks like they're just looking
[2:21:47] for four they're asking us to say they
[2:21:50] want they want another 250 000 from us
[2:21:52] but they're also asking for another year
[2:21:56] in which to come up with the money that
[2:21:59] they need but we have to keep in mind
[2:22:01] that we're looking at a deadline from uh
[2:22:03] from the federal government that we
[2:22:05] really from the treasury Department that
[2:22:06] you know and
[2:22:09] um to Mr to Tara's point we may want to
[2:22:12] try to stay pretty consistent
[2:22:17] what we're doing
[2:22:19] so a discussion around this particular
[2:22:22] one
[2:22:26] Mr Wayne although I feel uh
[2:22:28] uncomfortable with that
[2:22:30] here is where it pushes this up I
[2:22:33] trust the judgment and the involvement
[2:22:35] of Metroplex I think in evaluating that
[2:22:37] they're looking at an entirely new site
[2:22:38] I think it makes sense to give them a
[2:22:41] portion of that but again I wouldn't
[2:22:43] want us to push myself into the deadline
[2:22:45] where we're we're treating and trying to
[2:22:47] shuffle last night so I would I think
[2:22:50] they said two 24 months which is a year
[2:22:53] from now so we're truly talking about a
[2:22:55] year
[2:23:01] they're also asking for additional 250
[2:23:03] thousand dollars
[2:23:06] um
[2:23:10] not that the scope of the project has
[2:23:11] changed but they just asked them for
[2:23:13] addition on Sunday
[2:23:17] on the I would support six month
[2:23:19] extension but I don't
[2:23:23] feel badly though
[2:23:26] um
[2:23:30] and so um but not the not the 200 not
[2:23:33] the additional funding what do you guys
[2:23:35] I don't think so
[2:23:37] anyone can come and ask for more money
[2:23:39] no absolutely not
[2:23:48] well we're not in contracts so I think
[2:23:50] we should be able to be okay
[2:24:00] employees
[2:24:04] I was just raising the question so that
[2:24:07] we're negotiating the terms of this and
[2:24:10] whether not only happened
[2:24:13] Electric City Co-Op now with some of
[2:24:15] these
[2:24:16] are some of these discussions
[2:24:17] appropriate in executive session
[2:24:20] as opposed to public session
[2:24:25] so I thought if I was talking about
[2:24:26] contracts we had to
[2:24:30] so that's a question it's awarding the
[2:24:32] contract has to be done in a public
[2:24:34] essentially when you're negotiating the
[2:24:36] terms and conditions of the contract
[2:24:40] depending on what it is appropriate for
[2:24:42] executives
[2:24:47] like you're going to do some housing
[2:24:50] sales
[2:24:51] you might take the dollar amount that's
[2:24:54] put forth you might ask for more
[2:24:55] whatever you're negotiating that's
[2:24:57] executive session
[2:25:00] so yes you're like you get I don't
[2:25:03] necessarily agree with that
[2:25:04] um with housing is slightly different
[2:25:06] because
[2:25:07] I can get to the reasons why here
[2:25:10] there's no contract
[2:25:11] you're talking about the terms of that's
[2:25:14] already been made public that the
[2:25:16] council has required and you're simply
[2:25:19] talking about modifying the terms of you
[2:25:21] know the financial obligations that they
[2:25:23] have to meet and the time in which
[2:25:25] you're going to allow them to meet those
[2:25:29] requirements there's currently no
[2:25:32] contract between the city and these
[2:25:35] entities
[2:25:36] not modifying an existing contract
[2:25:39] all right
[2:25:41] and so the ones that are We There are
[2:25:43] some that we're under contract with so
[2:25:44] we will not discuss those
[2:25:50] um so we're back to uh electricity Co-op
[2:25:53] whether we're sorry we're interested in
[2:25:55] granting the extension
[2:25:59] yes no Mr pong meaning I'm sorry this is
[2:26:02] just so arbitrary how we're going about
[2:26:04] this and you know if I'm one of these
[2:26:07] other organizations and I'm looking at
[2:26:09] this
[2:26:10] I'm thinking
[2:26:12] you know potential lawsuits I'm thinking
[2:26:14] all kinds of things that we're opening
[2:26:15] ourselves up to and you know
[2:26:19] it's just very arbitrary and very
[2:26:22] problematic
[2:26:23] um you know we're saying well this one
[2:26:26] has four months we'll give it to them
[2:26:28] this one after six months we'll give it
[2:26:30] to him this one asked for 12 months nope
[2:26:32] they're not going to give it to them
[2:26:33] we'll give them six and I understand the
[2:26:34] reason why but I'm just saying the
[2:26:36] arbitrary aspect of it is very
[2:26:39] problematic and and
[2:26:41] I'm telling you if I was one of these
[2:26:43] organizations I would
[2:26:46] very much be looking at a lawsuit yes or
[2:26:49] no it's definitely I'm not
[2:26:52] I don't well we allow people to come to
[2:26:55] us and say this is what we want so we're entertaining what they want so I
[2:27:00] don't see the lawsuit I'm not saying
[2:27:01] that you're not right I'm not but I
[2:27:03] don't see that and um and in times in
[2:27:06] terms of the time frame we still we've
[2:27:08] made it very clear to the organizations
[2:27:10] that we have a time frame that we have
[2:27:12] to stick with so if they ask isn't what
[2:27:15] we can reasonably do then it's an ask
[2:27:18] it's not a demand it's not saying you
[2:27:20] know you we can't do without this it's
[2:27:23] an ask but we've already set forth the
[2:27:25] timeline for when we have to meet for
[2:27:27] the federal government that's not going
[2:27:28] to change we may be talking about three
[2:27:30] months left if you know once we read
[2:27:33] through that information so we have to
[2:27:35] stick to our timelines and making these
[2:27:37] decisions we also have to consider that
[2:27:41] as far as I mean I know people can
[2:27:44] pursue litigation for any reason that
[2:27:46] they see are you sharing the same
[2:27:49] concern that you're hearing about
[2:27:50] organizations of possibly uh assuming
[2:27:54] that's what the process that we're
[2:27:55] engaging in right now
[2:27:57] I mean it's a hypothetical and I don't
[2:28:00] want to get down the road of
[2:28:01] hypotheticals I don't necessarily see a
[2:28:04] cause of action unless the city is doing
[2:28:07] something that is irrational
[2:28:11] generally this you know the work that
[2:28:15] the city council does as it relates to
[2:28:16] this has to stand up to having a
[2:28:19] rational basis
[2:28:21] thank you
[2:28:27] so what we're discussing is again
[2:28:31] well they're asking for a year extension
[2:28:34] we have to make a decision on that
[2:28:35] keeping in mind what our time frame is
[2:28:37] an additional 250.
[2:28:44] it was clear over here and I think you
[2:28:46] said no I just want to be clear since
[2:28:49] we're training extensions
[2:28:51] across the board I'll go with six months
[2:28:53] but additional money at this point you
[2:28:55] know okay since we're denying everyone
[2:28:57] else
[2:29:00] uh Miss Williams
[2:29:03] with with the extension and withholding
[2:29:06] the additional phone calls what's going
[2:29:08] on in agreement with the extension and
[2:29:11] not entertaining the additional funds
[2:29:13] request see
[2:29:25] Habitat for Humanity to me there wasn't
[2:29:28] enough information I wasn't really it
[2:29:31] just said I don't think they're asking
[2:29:33] for anything yeah they're saying
[2:29:36] I'm not really
[2:29:41] oh they're saying they still have to get
[2:29:42] us the paperwork all right so so we have
[2:29:45] 100
[2:29:46] 000. I'm looking this is what they said
[2:29:48] this is a Contracting place it's the
[2:29:51] contract in place okay well then I guess
[2:29:53] that means that we can't discuss it
[2:30:01] they only have one
[2:30:03] all right there's a Contracting place
[2:30:09] yeah this one I think is we don't have
[2:30:11] to discuss it
[2:30:14] um
[2:30:18] I think it's the same as what they asked
[2:30:20] for I mean yeah right so the Green
[2:30:23] Market though I do think that they are
[2:30:26] their information that needs to be
[2:30:28] updated that they sent us okay it was it
[2:30:31] was the information needs to be updated
[2:30:33] if you notice that it referred to 2022
[2:30:35] and 24 so their information needs to be
[2:30:38] updated
[2:30:40] we'll put that on the side also excuse
[2:30:42] me please should we put that aside then
[2:30:43] yeah okay I think they need to be
[2:30:45] updated
[2:30:52] you said that jewelry reached out to you
[2:30:55] um yeah so she reached out to me uh
[2:30:58] Esther and he reached out
[2:31:00] um they warning about their funding
[2:31:03] um
[2:31:04] emailed Ron Garner to see
[2:31:08] the updates on that and to see if he had
[2:31:12] a cost of the project
[2:31:21] [Music]
[2:31:25] yes
[2:31:30] so the seat centers income they were in
[2:31:32] contract right so we don't have to talk
[2:31:34] about that one
[2:31:35] right yes no no we do not
[2:31:41] um and cocoa house is not in contract is
[2:31:43] that correct
[2:31:45] is correct Okay so all right football
[2:31:49] house um was awarded 500 000 and now
[2:31:54] they want to change their the use
[2:31:59] um which they asked us they asked us
[2:32:02] about that a long time ago we just we
[2:32:04] didn't get that yeah because we hadn't
[2:32:06] had that conversation right it didn't
[2:32:07] come back quite frankly and uh so
[2:32:11] they're asking for for new staff
[2:32:14] asking for 200 000 year one in year two
[2:32:19] if I'm interpreting this correctly and
[2:32:21] then 100 000 in year three
[2:32:24] is that what you have uh
[2:32:28] here
[2:32:39] it's the same as Carver basically their
[2:32:42] original project was I think 3.5 million
[2:32:44] if I'm reading this correctly without my
[2:32:46] glasses I gave them five hundred
[2:32:48] thousand dollars they're basically
[2:32:50] saying
[2:32:52] they want to change because they want to
[2:32:54] use the 500 000 but not towards that
[2:33:01] the changing the scope abroad so
[2:33:02] changing the scope of what their money
[2:33:04] used to learn for well okay yes it was
[2:33:08] exactly that they produced yeah a budget
[2:33:12] and they're asking for
[2:33:16] two hundred thousand dollars for the use
[2:33:18] of for 200 200
[2:33:20] I don't know how they came okay so I'm
[2:33:23] guessing this is just with the salary
[2:33:25] that they're going to say is going to be
[2:33:26] used they really haven't broken down
[2:33:31] oh yes I have 240 the first year the
[2:33:34] Arca 160 the second year and a hundred
[2:33:37] thousand third year
[2:33:43] I guess um for me the question would be
[2:33:45] Staffing I see that there's only one
[2:33:47] stash so
[2:33:49] I think that what they came back to us
[2:33:51] with
[2:33:52] um was increasing their Staffing so that
[2:33:54] they could provide additional
[2:33:55] programming so that's what they're now
[2:33:57] asking us for as opposed to the capital
[2:33:59] project which is what they originally
[2:34:01] asked someone and
[2:34:04] it's probably they're not asking for
[2:34:06] additional funds they're just asking for
[2:34:08] children James Grace
[2:34:21] all right
[2:34:23] so I am in agreement with the
[2:34:25] development property aspect based on
[2:34:27] their timeline which I think was very
[2:34:28] well thought out I think it's clear how
[2:34:31] they intend to use that portion of the
[2:34:33] money and with respect to the personal
[2:34:35] hires I think it just highlights the
[2:34:37] executive director so I would like to
[2:34:39] know is there additional positions that
[2:34:41] they're planning on hiring or is it
[2:34:43] truly sitting within that one position
[2:34:44] which I imagine is not the case so I
[2:34:46] would like more information about that
[2:34:51] other people so perhaps what we should
[2:34:53] do with this one is the same that we're
[2:34:55] saying we're doing with the YW which is
[2:34:57] having them come in also in a future
[2:34:59] meeting and talk to us about to change
[2:35:01] the scope right I think what is
[2:35:05] I thought we said we just get in writing
[2:35:07] and look at it but oh okay whichever way
[2:35:09] all right although so but I would I
[2:35:12] would say we definitely um would need to
[2:35:14] have those questions answered
[2:35:16] so yeah okay it saves as well
[2:35:23] oops
[2:35:27] and um the Proctors is under in contract
[2:35:30] that is correct
[2:35:33] well I think Anthony told us that the
[2:35:35] last 10 hours I do have some questions
[2:35:37] so we would have to do that in uh okay
[2:35:47] um did we have anymore or are there more we
[2:35:51] have the um
[2:35:52] extension for the Empowerment Center and
[2:35:55] the extension to the Stars Hamilton
[2:36:00] the Staffing Association the North
[2:36:03] Street Station the old one my
[2:36:07] understanding is that's something that's
[2:36:08] being done in house map
[2:36:11] as opposed to the sake Associates some
[2:36:14] of the money to do a little bit of
[2:36:16] facade work the reality is you got to
[2:36:19] rescind that original resolution so
[2:36:22] it's a city property we're not good
[2:36:25] to go up contract somebody else to come
[2:36:27] back in and deal with them the problem
[2:36:29] is that
[2:36:30] the decision stole hasn't been made is
[2:36:34] what the Adaptive reuse of that building
[2:36:36] is going to be
[2:36:39] and that's and so is that where The
[2:36:41] Stockade Association is talking to the
[2:36:44] development about
[2:36:51] a firm
[2:36:55] plan of what it would be and some of
[2:36:57] that because when you go in and there's
[2:36:59] no real first floor there's okay so you
[2:37:02] have to establish
[2:37:04] a floor there
[2:37:05] do it but what we've done is taken a
[2:37:07] little bit of the money and done decide
[2:37:10] more to preserve the windows other
[2:37:13] things that would deteriorated just to
[2:37:14] maintain the outside
[2:37:22] I'm just wondering why we need to be
[2:37:24] saying this a long time ago because it
[2:37:25] already came back in house
[2:37:36] because I was told by the stocking
[2:37:38] Association that they were told by
[2:37:40] development that they could not do it
[2:37:42] because they were not a 501c3 in
[2:37:44] development
[2:37:48] okay we're appropriating money for we
[2:37:51] don't appropriate it to a third-party
[2:37:52] group to come back in and so that
[2:37:55] resolution is still there okay so my
[2:37:58] recommendation something like the
[2:38:00] council has to resume that okay come
[2:38:02] back and I would hope that we have a
[2:38:07] formal plan is what we can do with it
[2:38:10] when we take that action when you take
[2:38:12] that action
[2:38:14] okay okay well
[2:38:16] um so I guess that in this case we have
[2:38:19] to continue motion to resend that um
[2:38:22] it's about the resolution the
[2:38:24] Appropriations yeah that's contained in
[2:38:26] that resolution okay all right I'll make
[2:38:28] that motion to
[2:38:30] um
[2:38:31] the
[2:38:33] uh 750 000 through the stock case to The
[2:38:37] Stockade Association yeah I'll second
[2:38:40] that all in favor
[2:38:42] all right
[2:38:45] was there other ones that's who else
[2:38:50] I'm sorry
[2:38:51] Hamilton hill art center I think they're
[2:38:54] in contract aren't they enough
[2:38:58] they require additional 300 000
[2:39:00] commitment really I don't know okay
[2:39:03] I didn't see that
[2:39:06] I had
[2:39:07] thank you
[2:39:17] yeah I don't think they're asking us for
[2:39:19] that money though my reading of this
[2:39:21] email they're not asking us for that
[2:39:23] money they're basically saying that
[2:39:24] they're getting them
[2:39:25] so I don't think we really have are they
[2:39:28] looking for an extension though it says
[2:39:30] establishing for an extension but I
[2:39:32] don't see that
[2:39:33] I know I don't see the information they
[2:39:35] sent to us is that Anthony's handwriting
[2:39:38] that's at the top of this yeah
[2:39:43] so I don't think we have to do anything
[2:39:45] with us here honestly I think we have to
[2:39:47] get clarity on there because
[2:39:49] so can we get clearly from the article
[2:39:52] Center exactly what they're yeah if they
[2:39:54] need because it says
[2:40:03] that's Anthony's but they didn't say
[2:40:05] that
[2:40:05] right that's right
[2:40:11] the boys and girls club is under
[2:40:12] contract
[2:40:13] okay so we can put the Hamilton Hill
[2:40:15] Arts Center aside yes and move on
[2:40:23] oh
[2:40:24] the Empowerment Center
[2:40:29] great discuss that
[2:40:31] so they're asking for an extension as
[2:40:33] well right
[2:40:35] so I do have a question about the
[2:40:36] unconference center mayor and I guess
[2:40:38] it's really questions for you this
[2:40:39] property of City owned so are we in the
[2:40:42] same situation as we are with um
[2:40:45] conversation
[2:40:48] so this we have a plan for it okay we
[2:40:53] don't have money to fund the plan
[2:40:58] you have a plan but you don't have money
[2:41:00] to fund the plan the numbers the
[2:41:02] estimates are just coming in okay
[2:41:05] greater amounts
[2:41:09] of what is your consumptions
[2:41:13] so um Mr he didn't really give us an
[2:41:16] update on those changes Mr Gardner did
[2:41:20] not give us any update on that I did
[2:41:21] reach out to him today
[2:41:23] if there's any updates
[2:41:28] well there's no action you can take
[2:41:30] without knowing the last time the
[2:41:32] projected estimates were way over what
[2:41:34] we were
[2:41:36] upon this project
[2:41:38] yeah
[2:41:39] we don't know any of it so we can't
[2:41:43] did she have your hands up
[2:41:45] so I had a question about the master
[2:41:49] contract agreement I didn't know if
[2:41:50] there was an estimate and we can get on
[2:41:52] when that would be completed I know they
[2:41:53] said
[2:41:54] foreign right
[2:41:57] he's definitely not a contract when we
[2:41:59] begin or when we begin
[2:42:01] when we can expect it back
[2:42:09] and then uh you said the next step of
[2:42:11] identifying executive director would
[2:42:13] that be a position within the city Mr
[2:42:15] maybe you speak to that or
[2:42:17] so my question was how would that
[2:42:19] position be funded
[2:42:23] I don't know at this point
[2:42:27] I think my memory of the application was
[2:42:31] that the executive director was part of
[2:42:33] the money that we rewarding to them
[2:42:35] I think but I'd have to go back into the
[2:42:37] application
[2:42:39] and I just want to point out that we
[2:42:41] gave them
[2:42:43] one point
[2:42:45] 75 5 million and that is what they're
[2:42:48] needing if you add 875 and
[2:42:53] 200 doesn't that come up to 107.550
[2:42:56] so there's no question we already
[2:42:58] awarded we already did that
[2:43:00] appropriation so I don't think there's
[2:43:02] anything
[2:43:03] unless it comes unless they need more
[2:43:05] money I think well mayor's saying that
[2:43:07] the cost is increasing am I understand
[2:43:09] that correct um
[2:43:11] foreign
[2:43:23] except
[2:43:45] um
[2:43:47] yeah I wanted to have a discussion about
[2:43:49] that
[2:43:51] is it there's furthermore Mr um yes
[2:43:58] that we should discuss
[2:44:00] um
[2:44:15] of course it was just like so we're
[2:44:16] discussing I don't understand why we
[2:44:19] have to go into executive session to
[2:44:20] discuss
[2:44:21] contract
[2:44:24] that practice is already under contract
[2:44:27] you know I I understand that
[2:44:30] I still think that that falls in this
[2:44:32] particular session
[2:44:35] I don't necessarily I actually agree
[2:44:37] with Mr Charlie but I think it's
[2:44:39] possible that an executive session it
[2:44:41] does not it does not follow the
[2:44:43] executive stuff in there
[2:44:44] articulated items that would fall with
[2:44:47] an executive session
[2:44:49] reason why we do property sales an
[2:44:51] executive session that came up as a
[2:44:52] comparison is because it's very specific
[2:44:55] into real property sales as a matter of
[2:44:57] executive session because it could
[2:44:59] impact if the council doesn't move
[2:45:00] forward how we sell Properties or that
[2:45:03] particular property not approved it's
[2:45:05] something that somebody already under
[2:45:06] contract is not subject to
[2:45:10] Executive session unless something comes
[2:45:13] up in the discussion at a specific to
[2:45:15] something that would be a matter of
[2:45:18] executive session
[2:45:21] all right
[2:45:22] so my question regarding where is this
[2:45:27] is we appropriated the money when
[2:45:33] 9 12 2022
[2:45:37] and the props that we're asking to cover
[2:45:41] are previous to that date
[2:45:44] that's what Mr Ferrari told us
[2:45:49] so they basically I think you can work
[2:45:52] ahead with them both saved again I'm
[2:45:55] sorry but the same with the Cardinal
[2:45:56] Community Center they're looking to get
[2:45:57] these two grants
[2:45:59] they were they're hoping to get the 500
[2:46:01] 000 and the 250 000 of them
[2:46:05] it's a very difficult
[2:46:08] I guess what I'm saying is it sounds
[2:46:10] like Proctors thought they were going to
[2:46:11] get the money so they went ahead and did
[2:46:12] the work no no
[2:46:14] and then figured they could get article
[2:46:16] funding for it well they put in me on
[2:46:19] vacation after the work was done
[2:46:21] completely
[2:46:24] believe that's really against the
[2:46:26] guidelines in terms of the harbor money
[2:46:28] that you can't you can't we can't cover
[2:46:30] cost of something that's already been
[2:46:31] done I'm pretty I'm pretty sure I'm
[2:46:33] clear on that
[2:46:34] um
[2:46:35] so
[2:46:37] that's my concern there I mean others
[2:46:40] you know we can certainly have that
[2:46:42] discussion around that they do have two
[2:46:45] um yeah
[2:46:51] 912 correct you have three cars so those
[2:46:55] could be considered
[2:47:04] against me I said this before I say it
[2:47:07] again
[2:47:08] this is problematic
[2:47:11] um you know they're spent the money
[2:47:15] they obviously had the money to do the
[2:47:17] project and now they're asking for money
[2:47:19] besides
[2:47:21] no
[2:47:22] okay
[2:47:26] yes Mr Probz
[2:47:31] Excellence you don't know I'd say based
[2:47:33] on the pretense at which all of this was
[2:47:35] submitted I would agree as well
[2:47:41] yes I will make emergency
[2:47:49] so yes that is what we did so so yes
[2:47:52] that is what we did with uh the North
[2:47:53] Street pump Ferry Station
[2:47:56] yeah
[2:47:58] yes okay so what is your motion to
[2:48:01] rescind the appropriation all right did
[2:48:03] you do that that's what we must have
[2:48:05] done with the Aquatic Center as well
[2:48:06] then yes
[2:48:08] uh I'll second it all in favor
[2:48:11] aye
[2:48:15] all right is that the last one yes I
[2:48:18] believe so
[2:48:25] um
[2:48:31] the next couple days
[2:48:47] okay um
[2:48:52] three items are about properties
[2:49:00] foreclosures are About Properties I
[2:49:02] understand but it depends on on the
[2:49:05] context of this is a discussion item
[2:49:07] right I'm sorry so I don't know the
[2:49:09] context of
[2:49:10] this item to know
[2:49:13] if it's going to be a discussion on
[2:49:15] selling Properties or if it's a
[2:49:16] discussion on the foreclosures so I
[2:49:21] would say it's a prop it's a discussion
[2:49:23] on selling them based on the information
[2:49:25] that we're receiving okay that's
[2:49:28] okay
[2:49:30] um
[2:49:34] though we have to just recess claims oh
[2:49:38] okay I mean we said development oh right
[2:49:41] that's right because we have current
[2:49:42] score yeah okay okay so I will make the
[2:49:44] motion for you development planning okay
[2:49:47] thanks all in favor um now I'm going to
[2:49:51] open up claims and
[2:49:53] um we need to discuss this in executive
[2:49:55] session so I need a motion to go into
[2:49:57] executive sessions
[2:50:00] thank you thank you all right executive
[2:50:03] session and
[2:50:05] public would have to leave