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regarding reducing speed limit well

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again we're just revisiting the

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conversation and this evening Mr

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caruccio and Mr Wallen along with I

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think a guest right because semestriani

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um I'm going to be presenting the data

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that we can take out from the East Road

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nodes as well as a couple of others okay

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oh this talks loud into the world in the

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hotel

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then you can't hear

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okay I talked gladly anyways

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uh all right so we were asked was that

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um

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what we did is we focused with Kings

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Road uh at first we asked Fred mastroni

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fcm engineering to do a traffic study

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based on some of the information that we

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got from our Optical sensors that Mr

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coluccio presented to you at the

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previous meeting so I'd introduced Fred

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who can talk to you about a little bit

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about traffic engineering some of the

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constraints and some of the things that

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he has he has some handouts and so thank

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you great everybody thank you for the

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opportunity to talk about Kenny's roads

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decision

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some photographs and kind of give you an

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idea what what the bill looks like for

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some of the characteristics of the road

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um

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so whenever whenever we're looking at a

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speed limit at any given Road there's

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two different manuals that are typically

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used by Traffic Engineers one is the

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interior state supplement to the manual

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of uniform traffic control devices for

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two separate manuals there's a general

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one for the national New York state has

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a supplement and how because we are

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staying it was different from other

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states so the different criterias we

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look at one of the criterias is looking

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at the speed of the traffic John

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provided me a lot of data regarding

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speed limits so we look at the 85th

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percentile speed is one option one one

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Avenue determine post three that the

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other factors include the roadway

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characteristics but how how it functions

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what's it will function as you look at

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the development adjacent to the road

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what is it residential is it a

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commercial what type of road do we have

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on-screen parking do we have pedestrian

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activity and what are the crash history

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yeah we look at crash data over a

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certain comparative years to see if

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there's any data that says people are

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driving too fast and therefore as a

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result of the accidents so as far as the

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roadway conditions I'll walk you through

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a little bit of what of this so This

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these photographs that I took they start

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at the Kings Road bridge heading towards

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uh Albany Street you can kind of see the

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basically the road is a Tulane Highway

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we've got double yellow Center Line with

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Edge lines the Rope was relatively

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narrow it's not very very wide according

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to the statistics that I've got it's

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about 20 feet wide so this area there's

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not a lot of pedestrian activities you

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can tell but if you go to the next

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photograph

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which is near the intersection of Queen

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filamenta Boulevard yeah you see a

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sidewalk on the east side of the road

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and the other side is nothing not

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nothing there as far as pedestrian

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activity and if you look at the

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photographs it keeps going down the

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third one is which 403 is by constant

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straight flat there's only one curve uh

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that's another prior picture by the

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Kingsway Village that's got an old

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village sharp curve as a matter of fact

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you can see a Chevron in one of the

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photographs but everything is pretty

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much straight and flat so if you look at

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photo four this is by the Windermere

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crosswalk

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and there's a sign for The Pedestrian

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and the last World is but really

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straight as we get closer to all mystery

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so I kind of wanted to give you a

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picture I know I'm sure I'll be familiar

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with King's robe I think it's nice to

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give you an overall picture of what the

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roadway looks like

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um so as far as the world records is

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like I said there's two planes of travel

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each lane is about 10 feet wide one side

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of the road we have a continuous

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sidewalk which is five feet wide on the

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other side is mainly a very little

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pedestrian activity but there is a

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section of it

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um so kind of gives you an idea of how

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this pedestrian traffic if you will is

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generated the overall length of King's

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Road from the bridge to Albany streets

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about 0.81 miles and one interesting

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fact is there's roughly around 20 000

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cars a day that travel on King's Road so

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it's a high volume traffic and that's

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why it's kind of the functional

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classification of the road is called an

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urban collector Road what that basically

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means is it does serves two purposes it

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connects people from within their

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Community but also has Vehicles going

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from one area to another then from

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Rotterdam to State Street and so on so

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and and looking at the traffic is very

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much with 20 000 cars day most of them

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are commuter commuter traffic so there's

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not a lot of stuff I'm going to attend

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to go one of the interesting things

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about Kings Road is

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there is no control Atkins world the

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only control is on assessments there's

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stop signs and all along each side

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street and of course at the intersection

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without any Street there's a traffic

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signal which is the beginning of it so

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the reason why I bring that up is if

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you're having fun if you're driving on

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Kings Road the only time you really need

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to slow down is if people are turning

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into a driveway or turning into an

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intersection for the most part

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you know it's free flowing when you're

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looking at the 85th percentile it's been

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like John gave me traffic data which

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says the 85th percentile speed is

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anywhere between 32 and 34 miles per

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hour and for those of you who don't know

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any 50 percent top speed is it means

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like 85 percent of traffic is traveling

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at that speed or less in traffic

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engineering that's one of one of the

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critical factors if you will then be

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used for roadway design traffic signs

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and so on but the nice thing about that

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information is we got that information

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through John but just remember that that

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is uh data that collects for every

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single vehicle so if I'm driving down

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the road I need to take a right or a

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left that data that number is collected

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what we do as Traffic Engineers we do a

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follow-up study which is which is sort

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of you you're you follow the vehicles

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that are traveling that are going from

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one point to another that don't stop

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that's because we're talking about

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free-flowing traffic that's what you

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base your 85 percent that's been on and

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I did that on a Saturday for about four

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hours I followed Cars one direction to

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follow cars the other direction a 34 or

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35 miles per hour seems to be the

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so the right number so the data that

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John provided me it was pretty

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consistent with what I found what I did

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the did the study

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so crash history now we we got data for

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52 months and I looked at every single

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police accident report that I was given

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and I said well why what's what's the

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per why are we having these actions a

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lot of it is just drivers are just not

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careful uh they're you know they're either turning into a driveway

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they slow down and they had a vehicle

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behind them doesn't see it but not one

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traffic accident really uh well I'll

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take that back there was one accident

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that was due to a vehicle driving very

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fast

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but that vehicle was being chased by the

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police

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but every all the other 25 crashes uh

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there were nothing related to speed

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um so again when we look at as Traffic

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Engineers we look at the 850 percentile

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speed we look at the roadway

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characteristics which I just mentioned

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there's also a program that the Federal

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Highway Administration has developed

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which kind of uses a several different

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data and several different accidents

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several different speeds and that data

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kind of gives you a sort of recommended

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speed and based upon that information

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which is in your in the study it didn't

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recommend uh lowering this the closest

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speed limit

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so when I looked at that road under its

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current condition

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um I don't as a traffic engineer I can't

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recommend anything less than what's out

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there now

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uh so I don't recommend going to 25 I

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recommend keeping it at 30.

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so I guess I'll open up to questions but

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uh that was this recommendation from the

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study it's about me

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I tend to agree about the speed limit

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without enforcement it's kind of

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meaningless so you mentioned the ability

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to get cars to stop and are there areas

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where a stop sign would be beneficial

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that could interfere with Kings Road yes

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so in that scenario what we would do is

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we would not now we have traffic data on

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the main line we would need to collect

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traffic being on the side streets and

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there are certain warrants to put an

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all-way stop signs I think that's what

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you're suggesting and we would look into

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that and I most of those side streets

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are don't generate a lot of traffic you

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would think jobs and maybe even a little

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bit more about the meeting I can tell

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you my casual view of that you know

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based on my knowledge of the city for so

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many years I I would sincerely doubt

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that any of those intersections would

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meet the minimum volume requirements for

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it but we will definitely look into it

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and see and just just as another thing

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to say is

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I know some computers just put up stop

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signs wherever they want but you have to

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we have to be very careful because

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whenever we put an additional like an

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always stop sign and for some reason

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it's not warranted and God forbid

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something gets into a traffic accident

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then we are liable for putting up a

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traffic control side that shouldn't be

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there so we have to be careful of that I

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wasn't thinking necessarily so much as

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the intersections as maybe

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um kind of like Hamburg Street at the at

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the end of the bridge

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um that might be an incoming

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um if that would be a good location or a

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possibility so that would be by

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um

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right

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that's that's one area where we can

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collect the side street data and see

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what

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super could justify that or not

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although that's sort of not I mean I

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think when you're looking at reducing

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speed sometimes the midpoint is the best

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place obviously but yeah well obviously

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without data we can't make a

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determination right

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so if you don't recommend us reducing

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the speed limit to 25 or you know

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whatever what would be your

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recommendations for how we can

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try to yeah one of the returns that our

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residents have risked yeah um some of

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the things that we look at as Traffic

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Engineers we look at various traffic

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calming measures

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so I mean some some of the traffic

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common measures may have seen some some

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communities they have a Wide Travel Lane

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they put Edge lines in they reduce the

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width of the travel Lane we don't have

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that here the traveling is narrow

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already I mean it's actually 10 feet

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which is very narrow I'm getting

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narrower than we would want right to be

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honest there is a lot of truck traffic

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there so as a matter of fact if I don't

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know if it knows but there's a photo the

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first one that shows the trucks and you

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can see that truck is pretty much

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hugging the travel Lane yeah so that's

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one option we you know we look at

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there's a number of different things you

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can look at you can look at

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um you know Landscaping possibly adding

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some trees that are not

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to a point where they're creating a

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problem we can look at

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um

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speed speed feedback science you know

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where you put the speed signs up and

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they tell you how fast you're driving

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yeah one of the things I know when I

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juice when I drive those I always slow

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down yeah but sometimes what happens

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with people is that if they'll slow down

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in the beginning but we don't know how

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effective it is over the long term but

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that certainly is an option you know we

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even talked about things like race

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Crossings like looking at the

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intersection and possibly raising it up

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sort of create a I want to call it speed

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Hub but create a sort of visual change

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because right now that road is

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relatively flat and straight if we

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create some potential uh changes in this

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geometry unit perhaps that'll slow it

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down and if you do it for one

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intersection that really is it that may

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slow down for that particular

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instruction but you have to look at a

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lot so there's other things we can look

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at and none of these that I mentioned

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means that we are applicable to this it

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was something in front of another study

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looking at different traffic calling

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measures

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yeah

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and uh thank you madam president we're

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the discussion is focused somewhat on

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King's Road

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we get feedback across the city so you

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know some of this is what you can do at

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Kings Road what you can't do there uh

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are the things that we should look to do

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on Kings Road but there would also be

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applicable at other places throughout

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the city and

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you know there's the feeder road is am I

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using the correct term Peter streets or

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roads uh you know the main ones and how

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do we balance that where you know we

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want traffic to move in a safe and

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efficient manner but but at the same

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time we don't want people

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using poor judgment where they're

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speeding and how do we get that

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across in terms of design teachers

388
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signage

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enforcement

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and just general education of the public

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I mean there's certain some things maybe

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when you do in the city's website we can

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certainly uh provide some of the

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information because driver behavior is

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what really what we're talking about

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people will drive fast because it's

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straight it's flat

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um and some people are good then you

399
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know they don't use it but for the most

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part that's what happens so we can

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possibly put some information on the

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website hopefully the city of residents

403
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will look at that and say hey this is

404
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some of the issues for example I've got

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there's a study that says if you're

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driving 30 miles per hour and you hit a

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person

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there's a 45 chance that person is going

409
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to not make it right but if that driver

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is driving 25 right

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instead of 30 there's a greater chance

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that person is going to make and he's

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going to get hurt he or she but they're

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not good enough so that's the kind of

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data we can certainly put on the city's

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website that would be helpful and

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beneficial uh

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I don't see why not right and maybe I

419
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don't know about the motor vehicles if

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we if we share that data with them as

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well so whenever somebody comes in and

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wants to get a license you know as part

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of that perhaps that information could

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be given to them it's always good it's

425
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just we have to keep we have to have

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people understand what the ramifications

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are whenever they drive it too fast and

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they hit something specifically a

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pedestrian or a bicyclist

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and so that may be an option

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um so right now you well let me just say

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that you both you and Mr paluccio said

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that that was like third between 32 and

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34 and I think some of us have gotten

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um information from from residents

436
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they're using a handheld speed yeah I

437
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don't know what you call it okay

438
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um to and it's like registering in 40.

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so it's can you well yeah when we talk

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about 85th percentile speed we're saying

441
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that people at 85 percent of traffic is

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traveling at that speed or less and if

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we look at the traveling data that John

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provided there's certainly people are

445
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driving through 40

446
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45. but the problem is you can't design

447
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for that kind of a you know or you can't

448
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put traffic signs based on that you have

449
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to you know you have to assume based

450
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upon 85 percent of traffic no less like

451
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for somebody may drive 100 miles per

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hour you're not going to design a road

453
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for that that's the kind of theory

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behind it so that's where the male

455
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uniform traffic control device is it's

456
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important because it's a specific

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standard that's used Nationwide so we're

458
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not doing anything special here before

459
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yeah just clear this up though yeah if

460
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the speed data came back and said that

461
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the average 85th percentile speed on the

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road was 45 yes

463
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would you recommend reducing it to 25

464
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yeah

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that's more we have to you have to

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reduce the speed to be able to meet the

467
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American can reduce the speed to get the

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outcome that it's reverse of what you'd

469
00:22:50,220 --> 00:22:52,320
like to think right you'd be looking for

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it because if they're driving that fast

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there's no way they were going to be

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able to get them down to that speed

473
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because people drive out of speed

474
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they're comfortable at right and that's

475
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part of the issue and just so you know

476
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I'll get a timeline space study for the

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East Greenbush and we had the same

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issues right right so the end result was

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you know on residential streets meaning

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like if I I was raised in cusoe Avenue

481
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Bay you know between van break and

482
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Avenue and Avenue a or Avenue B we got

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blocks of streets that are not very long

484
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you're not very early you're going to

485
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get people to drive from one one to

486
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another at that rate of speed at 35.4

487
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they're going to drive slower so those

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are the type of streets that I think the

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city should think consider potentially

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reducing the postal speed limit from 30

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to 25. but whenever you're looking at a

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collector Road where you have you know

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fifteen twenty thousand cars going from

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one point to another uh it makes it it

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makes it difficult I think they need to

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consider it so in a screen Bush we

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looked at all the residential streets

498
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that's and we said okay we got traffic

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data similar to a job providing me here

500
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and the 85th percentile speed and was

501
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anywhere between 25 and 30 miles per

502
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hour so it kind of made sense but

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whenever there's Collective rows in the

504
00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:13,860
town of course there's State highways we

505
00:24:13,860 --> 00:24:16,020
didn't have any jurisdiction

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um so that's kind of the the logic

507
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behind that and I think we may want to

508
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consider that here as well

509
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so next steps in general one other

510
00:24:27,059 --> 00:24:28,860
question that I had was just did you

511
00:24:28,860 --> 00:24:31,080
want to do the data from the other

512
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couple of streets that you mentioned

513
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rugby or something so we do have some

514
00:24:36,659 --> 00:24:38,220
data that we collected from Albany

515
00:24:38,220 --> 00:24:40,679
Street and from Rugby Road

516
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um to be quite honest with you there

517
00:24:42,419 --> 00:24:44,940
were some outliers that they gave us

518
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that I wasn't happy with

519
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um but I I can tell you overall the

520
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Rugby Road I think the 85th percentile

521
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was about 32 33 miles per hour 233 miles

522
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an hour and Albany Street I think was a

523
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little higher a little higher right I

524
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was in the four I think it was all four

525
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days it might even have been 40 miles an

526
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hour and I just saw the data yesterday

527
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and and I did look at rugby I'm familiar

528
00:25:07,980 --> 00:25:10,559
Rugby Road Rugby Road is basically 36

529
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foot wide from Curb to curb and you

530
00:25:13,559 --> 00:25:15,179
can't park on both sides of the road as

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you know

532
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so there's some there may be some minor

533
00:25:18,780 --> 00:25:20,400
things we could do to potentially reduce

534
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the speed on that like for example if we

535
00:25:22,980 --> 00:25:25,260
decided to put double yellow center

536
00:25:25,260 --> 00:25:27,840
lines and Edge lines because think about

537
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,940
it in front of it it's 36 feet wide and

538
00:25:29,940 --> 00:25:30,960
that's 10 o'clock in the morning

539
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,779
nobody's parked on the road you've got a

540
00:25:33,779 --> 00:25:35,760
wide payment but if we somehow

541
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,559
channelize that if you will some people

542
00:25:37,559 --> 00:25:39,480
will stay within the lane there's a

543
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:40,620
possibility that they're going to drive

544
00:25:40,620 --> 00:25:42,779
a little slower 10 miles per hour slower

545
00:25:42,779 --> 00:25:44,700
I don't know but that's the kind of

546
00:25:44,700 --> 00:25:46,559
thing maybe that's that and that is by

547
00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:49,500
the way uh not a local Road it's not a

548
00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:51,600
collector room so it's one of those

549
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,640
streets where in my mind as a traffic

550
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,620
engineer I would say that may be a good

551
00:25:55,620 --> 00:25:56,940
possibility but we got to do something

552
00:25:56,940 --> 00:25:58,860
we can't believe it the way it is and

553
00:25:58,860 --> 00:26:00,779
expect people to drive at 25 miles per

554
00:26:00,779 --> 00:26:03,659
hour so the treatment that we would look

555
00:26:03,659 --> 00:26:06,419
at for roads are based on their

556
00:26:06,419 --> 00:26:08,520
characteristics right now why they are

557
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,919
what kind of traffic that they

558
00:26:10,919 --> 00:26:13,140
um cover you know turning vehicle

559
00:26:13,140 --> 00:26:15,720
movements might be something we want to

560
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,059
look at to see you know what we can do

561
00:26:18,059 --> 00:26:20,820
maybe bump outs maybe you know different

562
00:26:20,820 --> 00:26:22,559
things that we can look at but it's

563
00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:24,659
based on the individual uh

564
00:26:24,659 --> 00:26:26,940
characteristics whereas the Kings Road

565
00:26:26,940 --> 00:26:29,700
as far as the you know the right-of-way

566
00:26:29,700 --> 00:26:32,820
there were somewhat limited with what we

567
00:26:32,820 --> 00:26:35,640
have I think all Industries actually

568
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,220
functions in Atlanta arterial which is a

569
00:26:38,220 --> 00:26:40,500
pretty high functionality and I don't

570
00:26:40,500 --> 00:26:41,760
think you're going to get a screen it's

571
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,679
connected as a higher function except

572
00:26:43,679 --> 00:26:46,320
maybe State Street but that's got a lot

573
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,419
of traffic and there's a lot of people

574
00:26:48,419 --> 00:26:50,820
going from one point to another now so

575
00:26:50,820 --> 00:26:52,440
that would be very difficult to consider

576
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,080
reducing the 25 miles per hour

577
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,080
Mr Walling you oh all right you talked

578
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,880
about um putting in there was on the

579
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:01,200
crosswalk that was going to go in are we

580
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,419
talking about the same crosswalk here or

581
00:27:03,419 --> 00:27:04,500
were you talking about that actually

582
00:27:04,500 --> 00:27:07,679
another one there is a new crosswalk

583
00:27:07,679 --> 00:27:09,120
that we're looking to put in and I

584
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:12,000
believe it what picture of the picture I

585
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,470
believe

586
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:16,279
it

587
00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:19,020
so right around the curve area of the

588
00:27:19,020 --> 00:27:21,840
picture too right uh by the Kingsway

589
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,260
Village sign at a queen film man oh

590
00:27:25,260 --> 00:27:28,140
right here yeah um cross Kings there

591
00:27:28,140 --> 00:27:29,820
that's one that's the location that

592
00:27:29,820 --> 00:27:31,380
we're looking to put in but essentially

593
00:27:31,380 --> 00:27:34,200
is a mid block so that crosswalk there

594
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,799
will have a 388 Rams two at the corner

595
00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:40,620
one uh Kings Where the Sidewalk is we'll

596
00:27:40,620 --> 00:27:42,740
have to ramp down we'll have crosswalk

597
00:27:42,740 --> 00:27:45,720
signs pointing then we'll have 100 feet

598
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,570
away crosswalk ahead signs

599
00:27:49,580 --> 00:27:53,520
while it is new we're gonna have Flags

600
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,500
um the flags will be on there or people

601
00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:57,779
of being a new Crossing

602
00:27:57,779 --> 00:27:59,159
um so that's what we're looking at at

603
00:27:59,159 --> 00:28:01,440
this time Cowan ends up in the mobilize

604
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,179
action in the next couple of weeks and

605
00:28:03,179 --> 00:28:04,919
that area is getting paid for new

606
00:28:04,919 --> 00:28:06,240
filming and all that so it's going to be

607
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,360
part of that program so yeah that is one

608
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:10,620
of the things that we are doing

609
00:28:10,620 --> 00:28:13,080
hopefully something more visual try to

610
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,419
break up the monotony the flatness there

611
00:28:15,419 --> 00:28:16,080
yeah

612
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,500
of that I mean just the issue with this

613
00:28:19,500 --> 00:28:21,179
is uh you know I spoke about it last

614
00:28:21,179 --> 00:28:23,460
time you talked about the the three E's

615
00:28:23,460 --> 00:28:26,760
of Education enforcement and Engineering

616
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,440
um the engineering on this particular

617
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,799
road is hard because of we already have

618
00:28:31,799 --> 00:28:33,720
what would be an engineered roadway we

619
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,539
have curves we have narrow Lanes we have

620
00:28:36,539 --> 00:28:39,000
strong Street trees on the side we have

621
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,460
a low speed limit you know but we're

622
00:28:41,460 --> 00:28:44,940
fighting it's flat it's straight and uh

623
00:28:44,940 --> 00:28:47,880
and it is a 20 000 car a day uh you know

624
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,460
collector so we're fighting that now to

625
00:28:50,460 --> 00:28:52,620
rugby Craig Street would be an example

626
00:28:52,620 --> 00:28:55,260
you know those streets are more of a

627
00:28:55,260 --> 00:28:56,820
canvas that haven't had any investment

628
00:28:56,820 --> 00:28:59,100
in them they're wide we're looking to do

629
00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:01,080
treatments there to try to reduce speeds

630
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,600
there as well but we don't have

631
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,880
that afternoon here but this is already

632
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,980
you know this is already kind of you

633
00:29:07,980 --> 00:29:09,480
know what we would want to make it and

634
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,000
you know that was it sounds uh it sounds

635
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,220
odd to say that you know we have a an

636
00:29:14,220 --> 00:29:15,720
issue with speeds being a little high

637
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,179
and I want to put in trees but you know

638
00:29:18,179 --> 00:29:20,100
the idea is it's already an area Court

639
00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:21,960
how can we make it feel narrower you

640
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,880
know how can we make people do it

641
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,740
um you know I know someone may ask you

642
00:29:25,740 --> 00:29:28,740
know uh speed bumps D tables

643
00:29:28,740 --> 00:29:30,840
um vibrations I have gotten multiple

644
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,159
complaints from residents on this

645
00:29:32,159 --> 00:29:34,620
stretch about vibrations there is trucks

646
00:29:34,620 --> 00:29:36,779
on this stretch when you introduce

647
00:29:36,779 --> 00:29:38,100
something like that you're going to

648
00:29:38,100 --> 00:29:41,520
introduce more vibration and and more of

649
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,200
that this is also a route that I would

650
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,960
deem as

651
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,279
emergency but it's a critical route like

652
00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:49,260
Fred was saying it's not a local route

653
00:29:49,260 --> 00:29:50,700
it's not something that if you want the

654
00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:52,440
traffic to go onto a road we would like

655
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,120
to go on to Kings we would hate to have

656
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,159
somebody say I'm not going to drive on

657
00:29:56,159 --> 00:29:57,659
Kings I'm going to drive on the

658
00:29:57,659 --> 00:29:59,460
neighboring streets and the residential

659
00:29:59,460 --> 00:30:01,140
streets now you have people cutting

660
00:30:01,140 --> 00:30:02,880
through because if you were to go with

661
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,500
the blocks over those are very long

662
00:30:04,500 --> 00:30:06,779
extreme streets as well so someone will

663
00:30:06,779 --> 00:30:08,640
be coming down Albany they'll take that

664
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:09,960
left they'll go down the residential

665
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,419
street to avoid the you know the traffic

666
00:30:12,419 --> 00:30:14,100
calming devices that we would have put

667
00:30:14,100 --> 00:30:16,380
and they come out of McDonald's so it's

668
00:30:16,380 --> 00:30:18,960
not a lot of alternative routes to take

669
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,240
that are comparable to Kim's room either

670
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,460
right that's one of the issues and why

671
00:30:23,460 --> 00:30:25,380
we have it's a volume really if you

672
00:30:25,380 --> 00:30:27,539
think about it that is part of the issue

673
00:30:27,539 --> 00:30:31,320
right the 20 000 Vehicles a thing uh an

674
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,200
odd thing that could occur I mean maybe

675
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,020
naturally is that we were talking this

676
00:30:37,020 --> 00:30:39,419
road will close essentially the bridge

677
00:30:39,419 --> 00:30:42,299
will close January 15th and be closed

678
00:30:42,299 --> 00:30:44,700
for a period of nine months

679
00:30:44,700 --> 00:30:46,799
um alternate routes will be marked and

680
00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:49,140
need to be seen maybe as a result

681
00:30:49,140 --> 00:30:53,640
traffic will stay even if it was 10 20

682
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,440
percent that would be a significant

683
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,419
amount that would seek can stay on the

684
00:30:57,419 --> 00:30:59,640
alternate routes I don't know

685
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,679
um conversely you will have a new bridge

686
00:31:01,679 --> 00:31:03,840
so maybe people will feel that they can

687
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,659
drive over the new bridge but for uh for

688
00:31:06,659 --> 00:31:08,279
those nine months the road will be I'm

689
00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:10,679
guessing it will be very quiet for

690
00:31:10,679 --> 00:31:12,240
people on King's Road as that would

691
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,630
become essentially a dead neighborhoods

692
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,620
at the crosswalk just um I know that we

693
00:31:19,620 --> 00:31:21,720
can't do stop signs or any of that stuff

694
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,940
but is there any way that we could put a

695
00:31:23,940 --> 00:31:25,380
traffic device like a flashing light

696
00:31:25,380 --> 00:31:26,640
just to make people aware that people

697
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,860
are crossing here because what we're

698
00:31:28,860 --> 00:31:30,179
hearing from residents is that people

699
00:31:30,179 --> 00:31:33,120
that's it's dangerous to cross so when

700
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,039
if that's an opportunity if we're going

701
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:36,539
to be putting it across logs just let

702
00:31:36,539 --> 00:31:38,279
people know I understand about well it

703
00:31:38,279 --> 00:31:39,240
doesn't sound like there's a lot of room

704
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,880
even for that little yeah they're

705
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,799
definitely gonna look at it it is

706
00:31:43,799 --> 00:31:45,899
possible but like you just said the

707
00:31:45,899 --> 00:31:47,580
right of way it's very limited there so

708
00:31:47,580 --> 00:31:49,500
you have to take a look and see if we

709
00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:51,059
actually have the real estate there to

710
00:31:51,059 --> 00:32:02,290
do that

711
00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:08,230
[Applause]

712
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,919
and now you're getting you know a sign

713
00:32:10,919 --> 00:32:13,260
being back are we there can you keep the

714
00:32:13,260 --> 00:32:15,179
sidewalk clear you know there's a lot of

715
00:32:15,179 --> 00:32:18,299
things it's similarly uh on Broadway we

716
00:32:18,299 --> 00:32:20,220
used to have a flashing rapid beacon on

717
00:32:20,220 --> 00:32:21,539
Broadway

718
00:32:21,539 --> 00:32:23,100
um with the constraints of the new ones

719
00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:24,720
we couldn't fit a new one there which is

720
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,480
why we had to go to the side location so

721
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,460
they're not the end-all be-all they

722
00:32:29,460 --> 00:32:30,960
can't just you know be thrown in we

723
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,700
aren't going to look at it they do make

724
00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:36,360
solar ones that are available so we did

725
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,520
discuss looking into it okay yeah like

726
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:39,779
this is a it's going to be like a

727
00:32:39,779 --> 00:32:41,399
typical side you'd see at the crosswalk

728
00:32:41,399 --> 00:32:44,039
yeah but we can certainly put Flags

729
00:32:44,039 --> 00:32:45,720
around it just there's another visual

730
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,700
launch blocks are good because the

731
00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:49,860
visibility you can see them at night so

732
00:32:49,860 --> 00:32:51,120
there's little things like that we could

733
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,039
do will that will that slow traffic down

734
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:54,960
well let's hope

735
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,830
so

736
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,179
Miss Patrick

737
00:32:59,179 --> 00:33:01,140
well I mean we've been talking about

738
00:33:01,140 --> 00:33:04,559
this for you know since forever

739
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:06,240
um it was it early last summer I think

740
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,520
of 2022 where you know we have a meeting

741
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:09,600
here with

742
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,659
the chief Now assistant chief Whipple as

743
00:33:12,659 --> 00:33:14,820
well talking about the enforcement piece

744
00:33:14,820 --> 00:33:17,159
we had some ideas there

745
00:33:17,159 --> 00:33:19,679
um Mr Paul Minnie brought up all sorts

746
00:33:19,679 --> 00:33:21,720
of ways of using some of our technology

747
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,880
on our traffic signals you know that

748
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,620
kind of thing um at some point I can't

749
00:33:25,620 --> 00:33:27,960
remember when that was but looking at

750
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,640
those traffic calming measures as well

751
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,580
certainly bringing this up when we did

752
00:33:32,580 --> 00:33:34,380
bring it up we I never thought that we

753
00:33:34,380 --> 00:33:35,399
were going to be doing it throughout the

754
00:33:35,399 --> 00:33:38,340
city it really was about you know in

755
00:33:38,340 --> 00:33:40,200
terms of the 25 mile per hour it was

756
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,820
just gosh we're all getting

757
00:33:43,820 --> 00:33:46,140
calls from residents all the time we got

758
00:33:46,140 --> 00:33:47,399
to figure out something that's going to

759
00:33:47,399 --> 00:33:50,760
help try to control behavior and um it

760
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,620
does come down to the behavior to me I

761
00:33:52,620 --> 00:33:54,120
agree that I think that it's an

762
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,279
Enforcement issue a lot of times

763
00:33:56,279 --> 00:33:58,440
um so how do we you know put limited

764
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,240
Staffing there

765
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,500
um figure something out as well when

766
00:34:01,500 --> 00:34:04,320
there's other you know issues that

767
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,299
um end up taking priority for our for

768
00:34:06,299 --> 00:34:08,399
our police force so I guess I'm just

769
00:34:08,399 --> 00:34:11,760
looking for you know sort of

770
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,339
we can't do something overall but these

771
00:34:14,339 --> 00:34:16,320
recommendations that we've all been

772
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,040
making now for a while I just want to be

773
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,020
able to try to have

774
00:34:22,020 --> 00:34:24,060
not closure necessarily it's always

775
00:34:24,060 --> 00:34:26,460
going to have to be reevaluated but but

776
00:34:26,460 --> 00:34:28,859
we did talk about the potential to use

777
00:34:28,859 --> 00:34:33,970
cameras for speed control

778
00:34:33,980 --> 00:34:36,300
legislation was requested from the state

779
00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:38,700
on that I know did that ever happen or

780
00:34:38,700 --> 00:34:40,800
not sure if that ever happened or not

781
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,320
but yeah I think that's what one of the

782
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,359
things that we need to happen before we

783
00:34:45,359 --> 00:34:48,060
could even evaluate it was for us to be

784
00:34:48,060 --> 00:34:51,419
able to come become legally allowed to

785
00:34:51,419 --> 00:34:53,280
do that

786
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,919
Miss Williams oh so I wonder firstly

787
00:34:55,919 --> 00:34:57,660
would thank you for gathering this data

788
00:34:57,660 --> 00:34:59,220
I think oftentimes when I request this

789
00:34:59,220 --> 00:35:00,720
type of information regardless of the

790
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:01,980
outcome I think it's important to

791
00:35:01,980 --> 00:35:03,900
understand that it has a certain

792
00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:05,880
expectation or a

793
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,260
certain amount of hours that it takes to

794
00:35:07,260 --> 00:35:08,940
compile this information so I appreciate

795
00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:10,859
you having this uh definitely I

796
00:35:10,859 --> 00:35:12,960
understand from a data standpoint the 85

797
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,000
percentile you have to stay within like

798
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,099
that sort of framework to understand how

799
00:35:17,099 --> 00:35:18,660
to implement the right decision but I

800
00:35:18,660 --> 00:35:19,800
think it's also important to highlight

801
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,900
that further residents that doesn't

802
00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:24,660
accurately assess the The Growing Pains

803
00:35:24,660 --> 00:35:26,040
or the lived experience that they're

804
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,359
dealing with so similar to miss

805
00:35:27,359 --> 00:35:29,760
Patrick's Point I know you highlighted

806
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,200
some potential measures that we could

807
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,359
Implement I think there was three of

808
00:35:33,359 --> 00:35:36,660
them this speed feedback signs planting

809
00:35:36,660 --> 00:35:39,480
trees and the repayment repainting of

810
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,820
the rides I I can imagine being a

811
00:35:41,820 --> 00:35:43,740
resident area like planting trees might

812
00:35:43,740 --> 00:35:46,260
not sound like a real estate solution

813
00:35:46,260 --> 00:35:48,660
but I think if it's within the scope of

814
00:35:48,660 --> 00:35:51,300
your practice saying that this is an

815
00:35:51,300 --> 00:35:53,339
available option for us can you give us

816
00:35:53,339 --> 00:35:54,960
a potential timeline for implementing

817
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,760
either of those three if not into

818
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,500
accounting

819
00:35:58,500 --> 00:36:01,079
I mean I guess the part of the reason

820
00:36:01,079 --> 00:36:03,660
why betrays are are part of a traffic

821
00:36:03,660 --> 00:36:05,700
conversation as you all know when you're

822
00:36:05,700 --> 00:36:07,440
driving along the road you see as you

823
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,300
just want to know about implementing yes

824
00:36:09,300 --> 00:36:13,020
sir yeah so uh we can look at it and for

825
00:36:13,020 --> 00:36:15,780
the video counting will be on site you

826
00:36:15,780 --> 00:36:17,880
know Callahan does have any Striker and

827
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,800
you have a company that does Landscaping

828
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,140
through them so we can evaluate it

829
00:36:22,140 --> 00:36:24,480
um you know we would have to look uh

830
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,339
some of the locations would have to be

831
00:36:26,339 --> 00:36:27,480
identified make sure they're not in

832
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:28,980
conflict with utilities and to make sure

833
00:36:28,980 --> 00:36:31,980
the right way is there but we're open I

834
00:36:31,980 --> 00:36:33,720
mean like the crosswalk is going to

835
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:36,060
happen we're going to look into the uh

836
00:36:36,060 --> 00:36:37,980
solar and some of those other things but

837
00:36:37,980 --> 00:36:40,859
we we won't we don't have to sit on this

838
00:36:40,859 --> 00:36:42,780
it's just you know it's something that

839
00:36:42,780 --> 00:36:46,260
Fred luckily is uh here to assist us as

840
00:36:46,260 --> 00:36:48,660
in lieu of staff so to speak

841
00:36:48,660 --> 00:36:50,280
um so you know he's been helping a lot

842
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:51,900
kind of just to give him credit he's

843
00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:54,240
been helping us with North College which

844
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:56,460
is you know the yeoman's effort to work

845
00:36:56,460 --> 00:36:59,280
down there on The Stockade and get that

846
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,859
done so that's been going well um so I

847
00:37:01,859 --> 00:37:03,420
think you know him and I are up to the

848
00:37:03,420 --> 00:37:05,400
task of implementing this I think we can

849
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,320
do something now is the planting season

850
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,119
if we were actually applying tree so

851
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:10,859
we'd want to hop on that but we could

852
00:37:10,859 --> 00:37:11,960
look at it

853
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,400
with Clifton Park they've stopped quite

854
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:15,800
a number of

855
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,660
rrsps they're called the rapid

856
00:37:18,660 --> 00:37:21,599
reflective uh Flash and beacons where

857
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:26,820
pedestrians would walk up to it it's it doesn't stay on doesn't there

858
00:37:26,820 --> 00:37:28,619
are some that just continue blinking

859
00:37:28,619 --> 00:37:30,119
what happens with that people just

860
00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:31,980
ignore them so it's not going to

861
00:37:31,980 --> 00:37:34,020
pedestrian is coming close to it they

862
00:37:34,020 --> 00:37:36,060
should push the button when they push

863
00:37:36,060 --> 00:37:39,240
the button that thing flashes and those

864
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:41,220
are really effective right my opinion

865
00:37:41,220 --> 00:37:43,859
that may be an option here too for the

866
00:37:43,859 --> 00:37:45,960
other classroom and make it on soil

867
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,400
which is great because it's much smaller

868
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,680
through exactly yeah you're probably

869
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,900
looking at anywhere 10 to 15 000 per

870
00:37:51,900 --> 00:37:54,060
intersection it's not those but that's

871
00:37:54,060 --> 00:37:56,220
another traffic calming measure that

872
00:37:56,220 --> 00:37:59,540
they could so you can consider

873
00:37:59,540 --> 00:38:01,619
so basically we're down in the

874
00:38:01,619 --> 00:38:04,040
behavioral change or enforcement yeah so

875
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,540
several years ago there was a study I

876
00:38:06,540 --> 00:38:08,940
believe an engineering study at uh I

877
00:38:08,940 --> 00:38:11,099
think in Sweden

878
00:38:11,099 --> 00:38:13,079
um basically they created this system

879
00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:16,320
where the crate behavioral change they

880
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,380
had a monitor got the speed limit if you

881
00:38:19,380 --> 00:38:20,820
did the speed limit you were entered

882
00:38:20,820 --> 00:38:23,520
into a lottery if you weren't you got a

883
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,380
ticket that money was used to fund the

884
00:38:25,380 --> 00:38:26,700
lottery

885
00:38:26,700 --> 00:38:27,540
um

886
00:38:27,540 --> 00:38:29,460
could that be something you could look

887
00:38:29,460 --> 00:38:31,920
into as perhaps something that we might

888
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,680
be able to use on certain avenues like

889
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,760
state or Airy Boulevard

890
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,440
so I have to find out more about it but

891
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:41,960
I promise

892
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:46,200
the state legislation allowing some of

893
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:47,880
that as well right but it doesn't make

894
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,320
sense to move forward if you don't think

895
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,140
it's a yeah I think driver behavior is

896
00:38:52,140 --> 00:38:54,359
huge is somehow we can go to motor

897
00:38:54,359 --> 00:38:56,940
vehicles and all these places that you

898
00:38:56,940 --> 00:38:58,260
know especially when they're young when

899
00:38:58,260 --> 00:38:59,640
you're a young person and you're getting

900
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,500
your license you've got to figure out a

901
00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:05,280
way to wrote it it's not just about you know it's about the rest of the

902
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,960
public how can we get people to slow

903
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,060
down please I mean enforcement is

904
00:39:09,060 --> 00:39:11,099
obviously a big part of it but you know

905
00:39:11,099 --> 00:39:12,720
we all know there's no way we're going

906
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:14,579
to be able to enforce every single Road

907
00:39:14,579 --> 00:39:15,960
in the city's connect we just don't have

908
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,060
the you know the resources so the

909
00:39:18,060 --> 00:39:20,820
behavior is huge and I'll I probably

910
00:39:20,820 --> 00:39:22,560
shouldn't say this but I'll say it as an

911
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,160
individual when I you know again it's

912
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,260
attractive it doesn't reflect on

913
00:39:28,260 --> 00:39:30,900
anything we've done but I see a speed

914
00:39:30,900 --> 00:39:32,579
limit sign I see 30 miles per hour

915
00:39:32,579 --> 00:39:35,099
because what I'm going to do was

916
00:39:35,099 --> 00:39:40,329
everybody how fast you're gonna drive

917
00:39:40,339 --> 00:39:44,099
35.39 because you know at 39 you're not

918
00:39:44,099 --> 00:39:48,200
going to get full coverage you go 40.

919
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,000
well I think but you don't have to you

920
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,260
shouldn't do that but that's what people

921
00:39:52,260 --> 00:39:53,820
think

922
00:39:53,820 --> 00:39:55,440
and I think that's what we've seen in

923
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:56,720
the studies

924
00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:59,700
per hour um speed limit and especially

925
00:39:59,700 --> 00:40:01,560
around The Pedestrian deaths that it

926
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,540
does seem to look make people go a

927
00:40:03,540 --> 00:40:05,400
little bit you know that even that five

928
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,140
miles slower

929
00:40:07,140 --> 00:40:08,119
um

930
00:40:08,119 --> 00:40:10,740
uh bring it down the only other thing I

931
00:40:10,740 --> 00:40:13,020
just want to say before we move on our

932
00:40:13,020 --> 00:40:14,700
other people talk but

933
00:40:14,700 --> 00:40:16,380
um is the fact that with some of this

934
00:40:16,380 --> 00:40:18,240
stuff I mean I would think that there's

935
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:19,800
probably some immediacy around the

936
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,099
budget planning for 2024 as well so

937
00:40:23,099 --> 00:40:24,540
um I think we're going to need to know

938
00:40:24,540 --> 00:40:27,540
some of these um pieces that you guys

939
00:40:27,540 --> 00:40:29,280
have brought up and as Paul many has

940
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,020
talked about you know

941
00:40:31,020 --> 00:40:34,680
unfortunately pretty quickly or even if

942
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,740
there is an enforcement piece so and one

943
00:40:37,740 --> 00:40:38,640
of the things I was going to point out

944
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,220
and this is engineer hat just to bring

945
00:40:41,220 --> 00:40:43,800
you into our world on it it is called

946
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,839
the manual of uniform traffic control

947
00:40:45,839 --> 00:40:48,240
devices and I don't think that people

948
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:51,420
appreciate those signs and how those

949
00:40:51,420 --> 00:40:53,700
signs get into place especially in a

950
00:40:53,700 --> 00:40:55,560
city you tend to get a little

951
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,780
ordered out with signs and things you

952
00:40:57,780 --> 00:40:59,880
have a lot for if you were to uh you

953
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:01,140
know go I don't think we're at this

954
00:41:01,140 --> 00:41:02,700
level yet but go to Stanton County

955
00:41:02,700 --> 00:41:05,220
Saratoga counties and the counties and

956
00:41:05,220 --> 00:41:07,440
look at a sign and look at the back of

957
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,540
that sign and one of the new policies

958
00:41:09,540 --> 00:41:11,760
that all the counties are doing is each

959
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,839
sign is GPS barcoded scanned and marked

960
00:41:15,839 --> 00:41:17,700
into a system because those signs need

961
00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:20,280
to be specific distances specific

962
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,920
locations as it turns into that

963
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,859
intersection that you know how far away

964
00:41:25,859 --> 00:41:28,140
is it school bus areas schools of

965
00:41:28,140 --> 00:41:29,839
everything is now now they're actually

966
00:41:29,839 --> 00:41:32,220
gising everything in the county level

967
00:41:32,220 --> 00:41:34,380
because those Signs Now are

968
00:41:34,380 --> 00:41:37,560
it's a traffic control device it is not

969
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,440
a speed control measure it is not a it's

970
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:41,820
not something that you just will you

971
00:41:41,820 --> 00:41:43,200
know you know put down because you're

972
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:44,940
right right everybody probably sitting

973
00:41:44,940 --> 00:41:46,380
in this room is thinking what we're

974
00:41:46,380 --> 00:41:47,700
going to do on Kings Road is we're going

975
00:41:47,700 --> 00:41:49,800
to lower the speed limit to 25 and just

976
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,420
like Fred said everyone's going to drive

977
00:41:51,420 --> 00:41:53,460
six miles an hour over that now we're

978
00:41:53,460 --> 00:41:56,040
going to drive 31 we did something

979
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,140
but that's not how we can put that sign

980
00:41:58,140 --> 00:42:01,079
there so you have to do the study you

981
00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:02,820
have to find this and if you have you

982
00:42:02,820 --> 00:42:04,920
have to reduce it so now it's okay if

983
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,420
you want to do that how do we keep

984
00:42:06,420 --> 00:42:10,980
reducing the speed but at some point you

985
00:42:10,980 --> 00:42:12,540
run out and then you say well even if

986
00:42:12,540 --> 00:42:14,640
you want to make it one way let's just

987
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,560
say in a magical world holy God that

988
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,180
road is going to be twice as fast now

989
00:42:18,180 --> 00:42:19,920
you know and then you're going to get

990
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,780
that that actually having two-way makes

991
00:42:21,780 --> 00:42:24,420
it slower right so there's only so much

992
00:42:24,420 --> 00:42:25,920
that we can get to but I just wanted to

993
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,720
point out that sometimes when it comes

994
00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:29,520
with a signage I think sometimes people

995
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,099
don't appreciate for that that manual

996
00:42:32,099 --> 00:42:33,540
that's the size of a phone book and that

997
00:42:33,540 --> 00:42:34,920
supplemental that's the size of a

998
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,839
smaller home and the county doesn't have

999
00:42:36,839 --> 00:42:39,180
a refraction of the signs that we have

1000
00:42:39,180 --> 00:42:40,920
in the city which is for the right

1001
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,240
person oh that's that's one of the

1002
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:43,800
reasons but it's it's that important

1003
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,430
stuff because they want to get those measurements

1004
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,060
you're an engineer for a reason the same

1005
00:42:51,060 --> 00:42:53,460
reason why I'm not an engineer so I

1006
00:42:53,460 --> 00:42:54,900
think it's important when we're seeking

1007
00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:56,640
your judgment or feedback that we're

1008
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,500
actually eating I definitely understand

1009
00:42:58,500 --> 00:43:00,540
that there are considerations from other

1010
00:43:00,540 --> 00:43:02,940
municipalities uh and I think getting

1011
00:43:02,940 --> 00:43:06,480
your opinion on those helps but looking

1012
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,220
back at those three recommendations you

1013
00:43:08,220 --> 00:43:11,040
had similar to miss Patrick what do we

1014
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,720
need to do as a council president

1015
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:15,359
Quarterfield or Mr Mayor it's an

1016
00:43:15,359 --> 00:43:17,099
expedite getting quotes for those

1017
00:43:17,099 --> 00:43:19,020
because truly I think if you're

1018
00:43:19,020 --> 00:43:21,780
listening to members this one

1019
00:43:21,780 --> 00:43:23,760
portion of our community highlighting

1020
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,280
that this is an issue but also for Point

1021
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,099
Clarity you're not suggesting not

1022
00:43:29,099 --> 00:43:31,140
lowering speed limits in other areas you

1023
00:43:31,140 --> 00:43:33,480
just are waiting to have that data to

1024
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,599
accurately understand what to yeah

1025
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:40,319
so I know so I want to be clear the

1026
00:43:40,319 --> 00:43:42,180
crosswalk is already planned right right

1027
00:43:42,180 --> 00:43:45,359
and already funded as well yes okay so

1028
00:43:45,359 --> 00:43:46,920
for the other items we're talking about

1029
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,839
would we you would have to actually plan

1030
00:43:48,839 --> 00:43:52,079
that and and do budget that is that

1031
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:56,770
correct or if there's anything there

1032
00:43:56,780 --> 00:44:01,250
oh oh I love that

1033
00:44:01,260 --> 00:44:04,140
well we can talk about others all right

1034
00:44:04,140 --> 00:44:05,720
let's stay here let's stay here

1035
00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:08,280
so planting trees and striping all that

1036
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:09,720
doesn't take anything no there's not

1037
00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:10,440
much

1038
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:15,849
of that

1039
00:44:15,859 --> 00:44:18,480
things always come up during the year

1040
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,060
that we want to do things like this for

1041
00:44:21,060 --> 00:44:23,099
um it's just getting the contractor on

1042
00:44:23,099 --> 00:44:25,440
board finding locations and the

1043
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,540
coordination of it myself

1044
00:44:27,540 --> 00:44:29,819
now that being said one of the things

1045
00:44:29,819 --> 00:44:33,530
that we did talk about was like

1046
00:44:33,540 --> 00:44:36,599
more city-wide 25 mile per hour actually

1047
00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:38,579
looking at it there would be a

1048
00:44:38,579 --> 00:44:40,940
repercussions

1049
00:44:40,940 --> 00:44:43,500
the potential need for additional

1050
00:44:43,500 --> 00:44:45,300
dollars receiving between

1051
00:44:45,300 --> 00:44:47,220
if that happened right and the other

1052
00:44:47,220 --> 00:44:49,440
thing is when you look at what gets done

1053
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,240
there you say hey we love that we wanted

1054
00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:53,339
50 other places then there'll be some

1055
00:44:53,339 --> 00:44:56,700
budget uh considerations right correct

1056
00:44:56,700 --> 00:44:58,140
same thing with

1057
00:44:58,140 --> 00:44:59,579
um you know

1058
00:44:59,579 --> 00:45:01,020
doing something like all morning did

1059
00:45:01,020 --> 00:45:02,160
where they would do a lot of traffic

1060
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,560
control devices in their own area I mean

1061
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,060
that was a million dollar

1062
00:45:06,060 --> 00:45:08,160
a focus in an area that's a that's a

1063
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,440
separate animal so to speak that's not a

1064
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,619
small isolated project I guess all right

1065
00:45:13,619 --> 00:45:17,640
so we're doing crosswalk and then you'll yeah Fred and I will look into

1066
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,859
that and walk forward and maybe

1067
00:45:19,859 --> 00:45:21,599
we're also yeah we're going to go out we

1068
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:22,980
want we want to check some other things

1069
00:45:22,980 --> 00:45:24,900
we want to see uh in the picture one of

1070
00:45:24,900 --> 00:45:26,579
the things we were noticing is we really

1071
00:45:26,579 --> 00:45:28,200
want to make sure psych distance is if

1072
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:29,700
there's any Shrubbery or anything in the

1073
00:45:29,700 --> 00:45:31,440
right way if we could trim it to try to

1074
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,619
make sure all of our lines are there

1075
00:45:33,619 --> 00:45:35,819
yeah we're not we're not saying that

1076
00:45:35,819 --> 00:45:37,020
that's it but we just want to make sure

1077
00:45:37,020 --> 00:45:38,400
that thank you it's worth getting as

1078
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:43,809
much as we can

1079
00:45:43,819 --> 00:45:46,500
however if a tree is greater than four

1080
00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:48,180
inches in diameter guess what it's

1081
00:45:48,180 --> 00:45:50,640
called obstruction so the vehicle hits

1082
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:51,420
that

1083
00:45:51,420 --> 00:45:53,819
there's it's just replication so we have

1084
00:45:53,819 --> 00:45:55,440
to make sure that we pull select trees

1085
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,060
and we're not selecting trees that are

1086
00:45:57,060 --> 00:45:59,220
going to grow and create a problem on

1087
00:45:59,220 --> 00:46:01,380
another problem if you will so that's

1088
00:46:01,380 --> 00:46:03,359
something we can talk about yeah and how

1089
00:46:03,359 --> 00:46:05,579
soon could speak feedback signs be put

1090
00:46:05,579 --> 00:46:06,960
in

1091
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,420
well PG has few feedback signs and I

1092
00:46:09,420 --> 00:46:12,180
think they've had them up I think yeah I

1093
00:46:12,180 --> 00:46:13,500
think and they did say that they were

1094
00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:15,500
one of the issues is they do

1095
00:46:15,500 --> 00:46:18,060
they work and then they kind of slowly

1096
00:46:18,060 --> 00:46:19,800
fade as people get used to them so I can

1097
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,720
talk with a chief website about playing

1098
00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:23,599
this from back up

1099
00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:27,300
I sent both of you the video if you want

1100
00:46:27,300 --> 00:46:29,940
if you could pass out to him if you want

1101
00:46:29,940 --> 00:46:32,819
this actual paper just let me know and I

1102
00:46:32,819 --> 00:46:35,520
also recommend uh reaching out to uh

1103
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,300
Jose Olivares at RPI one of the best

1104
00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:41,040
civil engineers in the world we worked

1105
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,800
on the congestion pricing down in New

1106
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,960
York and Grand Central Station he might

1107
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,819
have some ideas too that maybe we're not

1108
00:46:47,819 --> 00:46:56,890
thinking of

1109
00:46:56,900 --> 00:46:59,040
three-dimensional hole I don't know

1110
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:00,079
about that

1111
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:06,970
all right any other questions

1112
00:47:06,980 --> 00:47:09,359
thank you for coming thank you thank you

1113
00:47:09,359 --> 00:47:13,030
John thanks Chris

1114
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,800
all right the um bcni proposal has been

1115
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,180
full from is being pulled from the

1116
00:47:18,180 --> 00:47:22,630
agenda yes sir

1117
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,660
I'd like to call to order City

1118
00:47:24,660 --> 00:47:26,640
development and planning and we will

1119
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,380
start with the follow-up on the Arca

1120
00:47:28,380 --> 00:47:41,410
contract with Carter

1121
00:47:41,420 --> 00:47:45,650
thank you

1122
00:47:45,660 --> 00:47:48,060
um I am giving an update on our funded

1123
00:47:48,060 --> 00:47:51,680
arfa applications and currently we have

1124
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,800
six sub-recipients that are pending

1125
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,260
pre-cons pre-contractual

1126
00:47:58,260 --> 00:48:00,480
um agreements required documents that

1127
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,540
need submission right now pre-market has

1128
00:48:03,540 --> 00:48:05,819
met all of those requirements and that

1129
00:48:05,819 --> 00:48:08,280
is pending submission for corporate

1130
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,980
Council review we have the Habitat for

1131
00:48:10,980 --> 00:48:12,780
Humanity they are still currently

1132
00:48:12,780 --> 00:48:14,640
missing majority of their documents

1133
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,619
we've only received the application a

1134
00:48:16,619 --> 00:48:18,780
budget and two projects project

1135
00:48:18,780 --> 00:48:20,280
abstracts

1136
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,079
um have reached out to Habitat so we are

1137
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:24,180
currently are working or retrieving the

1138
00:48:24,180 --> 00:48:26,400
additional documents we have Hamilton

1139
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,400
Hill Arts Center they are 99 ready to go

1140
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,500
they are just missing their most recent

1141
00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:33,480
audit and proof of the insurance

1142
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,220
coverage

1143
00:48:35,220 --> 00:48:37,319
um the Boys and Girls Club is missing

1144
00:48:37,319 --> 00:48:39,599
most of their documents we have only

1145
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:41,700
received the application the site plan

1146
00:48:41,700 --> 00:48:45,240
and the budget and then we have the seat

1147
00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:47,819
Center they are you know they're almost

1148
00:48:47,819 --> 00:48:49,200
there they're just missing their

1149
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,020
conflict of interest policy drug free

1150
00:48:52,020 --> 00:48:54,300
workplace policy anti-discrimination

1151
00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:57,060
policy whistleblower and promising

1152
00:48:57,060 --> 00:48:59,400
um sustainable plan post art book so

1153
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,380
contact has been made

1154
00:49:01,380 --> 00:49:03,180
um and we are actively working to get

1155
00:49:03,180 --> 00:49:04,800
the remainder of the documents and in

1156
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,900
the coming weeks

1157
00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:09,359
thank you all right so all the other

1158
00:49:09,359 --> 00:49:10,319
ones that you're not talking about

1159
00:49:10,319 --> 00:49:12,180
tonight are already they have everything

1160
00:49:12,180 --> 00:49:15,180
they need yes I will um Madam president

1161
00:49:15,180 --> 00:49:17,400
go back and check these are the ones

1162
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,200
that were given to me by Anthony to do

1163
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,359
active follow-up but I will go back to

1164
00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:23,940
the Cross RTS and um dot our eyes okay

1165
00:49:23,940 --> 00:49:26,220
and I know that bcni is not coming back

1166
00:49:26,220 --> 00:49:29,000
so we'll talk in the future uh about

1167
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,859
what's going to happen with that yes

1168
00:49:31,859 --> 00:49:33,540
there are any questions about any

1169
00:49:33,540 --> 00:49:36,599
particular projects anyone

1170
00:49:36,599 --> 00:49:40,560
thank you all right thank you thank you

1171
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,319
I know that everyone did get a follow-up

1172
00:49:43,319 --> 00:49:46,319
got follow-up information from the

1173
00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:48,480
electricity Co-op I think that probably

1174
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,280
came today

1175
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,720
um and we also um the YWCA as well

1176
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:56,400
and

1177
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,260
um they both

1178
00:49:58,260 --> 00:50:00,540
well they both said they um Wanted

1179
00:50:00,540 --> 00:50:02,700
extensions and additionally we were

1180
00:50:02,700 --> 00:50:04,500
talking about additional funding but we

1181
00:50:04,500 --> 00:50:06,119
would have to review those documents and

1182
00:50:06,119 --> 00:50:08,700
then discuss what the additional funding

1183
00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:09,960
could possibly look like but that that

1184
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,060
discussion would not happen tonight but

1185
00:50:12,060 --> 00:50:14,339
I'd ask that you would review

1186
00:50:14,339 --> 00:50:17,460
um so we can we can have that discussion

1187
00:50:17,460 --> 00:50:20,930
on the next Maybe

1188
00:50:20,940 --> 00:50:22,920
hey

1189
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:30,290
um Mr Wong call for public hearing

1190
00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:32,640
so this is a call for problems here in

1191
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,880
the state to modify J Street between

1192
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,040
Liberty Street and Union Street from a

1193
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,280
one-way Street to a two-way street this

1194
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:45,420
is part of the city's plan to better

1195
00:50:45,420 --> 00:50:48,240
connect downtown to Little Italy and

1196
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:51,540
Mohawk Harbor it's tied in with the dri

1197
00:50:51,540 --> 00:50:53,579
project which we are starting design

1198
00:50:53,579 --> 00:50:56,160
with this year we're working with our

1199
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,319
consultant as we speak on scope and fee

1200
00:50:58,319 --> 00:51:01,980
Department of State have signed off so

1201
00:51:01,980 --> 00:51:03,960
far there's another partner that we're

1202
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,640
working on so this is his first stage

1203
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,920
why we were waiting is the psap project

1204
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,420
which has been going on you've noticed

1205
00:51:09,420 --> 00:51:10,800
the signals have been sitting dormant

1206
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,540
for quite some time as we wait for

1207
00:51:12,540 --> 00:51:15,900
components the components are in John

1208
00:51:15,900 --> 00:51:18,420
has the signals working as of yesterday

1209
00:51:18,420 --> 00:51:20,579
four of the five are working they are

1210
00:51:20,579 --> 00:51:22,319
now coordinated they

1211
00:51:22,319 --> 00:51:22,920
um

1212
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,440
PSAT program which was State safety

1213
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,599
funding was able to replace

1214
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:30,540
five outdated signals with new hardware

1215
00:51:30,540 --> 00:51:33,300
new units John has them all hooked up to

1216
00:51:33,300 --> 00:51:35,579
fiber they're coordinating with each

1217
00:51:35,579 --> 00:51:37,559
other so it's really a great thing for

1218
00:51:37,559 --> 00:51:40,260
the downtown and what we're ready to do

1219
00:51:40,260 --> 00:51:42,000
is call for public hearing and do this

1220
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,180
and then when it is done we will strike

1221
00:51:45,180 --> 00:51:48,420
the road and open it up two-way for the

1222
00:51:48,420 --> 00:51:50,520
one block and in anticipation in the

1223
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,559
future you'll be able to drive from this

1224
00:51:52,559 --> 00:52:01,089
location straight to notch Street

1225
00:52:01,099 --> 00:52:03,770
any questions

1226
00:52:03,770 --> 00:52:07,630
[Music]

1227
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,599
I think there's gonna be parking on one

1228
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:11,940
side I think parking on the post office

1229
00:52:11,940 --> 00:52:14,040
side the only real modifications I do

1230
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:15,599
have to work with the post office this

1231
00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:16,740
is a tricky thing I'm gonna have to

1232
00:52:16,740 --> 00:52:18,839
reach out to them but it's it's

1233
00:52:18,839 --> 00:52:20,940
difficult to say this is what it is it

1234
00:52:20,940 --> 00:52:23,760
technically has not passed yet but uh

1235
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,260
they have a mailbox I'm sure you're well

1236
00:52:25,260 --> 00:52:26,760
aware of it that you would drive up to

1237
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,500
and now we'll be on the other side of

1238
00:52:28,500 --> 00:52:30,119
the street so they'd have to remove that

1239
00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:32,040
drive up mailbox that's really the only

1240
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:33,780
big change and I'm sure a lot of people

1241
00:52:33,780 --> 00:52:37,559
such as myself are used to that mailbox

1242
00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:39,240
absolutely

1243
00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:41,119
any other questions

1244
00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:44,160
second all in favor all right thank you

1245
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,680
Mr wall thank you

1246
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,780
okay item number three is discussion uh

1247
00:52:48,780 --> 00:52:51,960
to amend resolution 2014-144

1248
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:52,619
um

1249
00:52:52,619 --> 00:52:55,559
just regarding their desolate uh the

1250
00:52:55,559 --> 00:52:57,180
solution of the Schenectady local

1251
00:52:57,180 --> 00:52:59,700
Development Corporation we talked about

1252
00:52:59,700 --> 00:53:04,319
this a couple weeks ago back in 2014 the

1253
00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:06,180
there was a resolution pass resolution

1254
00:53:06,180 --> 00:53:08,420
2014 144.

1255
00:53:08,420 --> 00:53:11,940
and it's the sldc which was a

1256
00:53:11,940 --> 00:53:14,880
organization that did small loans to did

1257
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,000
loans to small businesses dissolved and

1258
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,800
when it dissolved there was a resolution

1259
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,599
pass that

1260
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:24,300
um gave the responsibility of taking

1261
00:53:24,300 --> 00:53:25,920
care of the outstanding loans and

1262
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,319
mortgages to the city council

1263
00:53:28,319 --> 00:53:29,819
but

1264
00:53:29,819 --> 00:53:31,440
and then the mayor would you know sign

1265
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,660
any documents but the city council does

1266
00:53:33,660 --> 00:53:34,859
not have that's an administrative

1267
00:53:34,859 --> 00:53:36,420
function the city council does not have

1268
00:53:36,420 --> 00:53:39,000
administrative abilities so at this

1269
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,920
point in time I'm bringing forward that

1270
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,040
we amend that resolution to that we um

1271
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,800
actually turn those those duties over to

1272
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,300
the city because there are some

1273
00:53:48,300 --> 00:53:50,640
outstanding loans and mortgages that we

1274
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,059
could collect on

1275
00:53:53,059 --> 00:53:58,329
any questions

1276
00:53:58,339 --> 00:54:01,260
so if there are no questions and the

1277
00:54:01,260 --> 00:54:03,119
information's in your packet then

1278
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:04,859
doesn't say the motion that we have to

1279
00:54:04,859 --> 00:54:06,800
do that

1280
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:11,040
all's a favor okay thank you

1281
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,500
four is a ceremonial Resolution For

1282
00:54:13,500 --> 00:54:15,300
Suicide Prevention month

1283
00:54:15,300 --> 00:54:17,819
September Suicide Prevention month and

1284
00:54:17,819 --> 00:54:20,400
uh I'd like to come in to recognize to

1285
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,559
you know keep that awareness and have

1286
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:24,660
invited uh Police Department fire

1287
00:54:24,660 --> 00:54:32,530
department also a local organization

1288
00:54:32,540 --> 00:54:35,520
uh item number five uh resolution

1289
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,920
recognized in September 15th to October

1290
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,440
15th is it's been Heritage Month Mr

1291
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,319
Williams thank you so between the days

1292
00:54:43,319 --> 00:54:45,900
of September 15th and October 15th I'll

1293
00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:48,480
go around Hispanic uh definitely taking

1294
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:49,980
the time to appreciate the contributions

1295
00:54:49,980 --> 00:54:51,720
that this community has made not only to

1296
00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:53,940
our countries more specifically to our

1297
00:54:53,940 --> 00:55:02,329
community I think is important

1298
00:55:02,339 --> 00:55:04,559
the next item on our agenda is to

1299
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:06,119
discuss the Zoning for cannabis

1300
00:55:06,119 --> 00:55:07,280
dispensaries

1301
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,260
vape shop we have been talking about

1302
00:55:10,260 --> 00:55:11,760
this and

1303
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:12,420
um

1304
00:55:12,420 --> 00:55:15,180
the other left command meaning asked all

1305
00:55:15,180 --> 00:55:17,579
council members to students go to the

1306
00:55:17,579 --> 00:55:19,740
law office and have a discussion in

1307
00:55:19,740 --> 00:55:21,420
terms of what

1308
00:55:21,420 --> 00:55:24,240
how we would want to see this

1309
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:26,700
um zoning within the city so I know some

1310
00:55:26,700 --> 00:55:28,079
council members were able to make it and

1311
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:30,059
others weren't however at this point in

1312
00:55:30,059 --> 00:55:32,220
time the law department is ready to

1313
00:55:32,220 --> 00:55:34,380
provide us some information about their

1314
00:55:34,380 --> 00:55:37,680
recommendation sure and I know certain

1315
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,540
Council people have reached like reached

1316
00:55:39,540 --> 00:55:42,359
out and were not able to connect with a

1317
00:55:42,359 --> 00:55:44,700
law department and obviously we're still

1318
00:55:44,700 --> 00:55:47,640
around to answer any questions you have

1319
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,400
and talk about recommendations that we

1320
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:51,540
have

1321
00:55:51,540 --> 00:55:54,180
um I think the general consensus from

1322
00:55:54,180 --> 00:55:56,160
the folks that and I know some of you

1323
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,880
met with Deputy Court Council Marnie to

1324
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:02,400
discuss zoning

1325
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,890
um and and recommendations

1326
00:56:06,900 --> 00:56:09,720
I think generally

1327
00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:12,119
um and I don't want to mischaracterize

1328
00:56:12,119 --> 00:56:15,300
um from the people I've spoken with

1329
00:56:15,300 --> 00:56:19,500
um seems as if most people agree that an

1330
00:56:19,500 --> 00:56:22,500
overlay is best suited for the purposes

1331
00:56:22,500 --> 00:56:24,540
of

1332
00:56:24,540 --> 00:56:25,160
um

1333
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,980
Zoning for these types of businesses I

1334
00:56:28,980 --> 00:56:29,700
know

1335
00:56:29,700 --> 00:56:30,420
um

1336
00:56:30,420 --> 00:56:32,579
at least one person has said that

1337
00:56:32,579 --> 00:56:34,200
they're like this these types of

1338
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,900
businesses to be located in

1339
00:56:36,900 --> 00:56:39,900
um one or two different types of uh

1340
00:56:39,900 --> 00:56:41,700
current zoning districts rather than

1341
00:56:41,700 --> 00:56:43,680
doing an overlay

1342
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:44,400
um

1343
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:45,960
the recommendation from the law

1344
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,200
department has been you know an overlay

1345
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:50,819
makes sense

1346
00:56:50,819 --> 00:56:52,520
um you know to a degree

1347
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,920
part of it will be identifying those

1348
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:57,619
Parcels

1349
00:56:57,619 --> 00:57:00,540
that we would want to be part of the

1350
00:57:00,540 --> 00:57:01,819
overlay

1351
00:57:01,819 --> 00:57:04,920
and we can certainly provide a list of

1352
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,859
those Parcels that will take some time I

1353
00:57:07,859 --> 00:57:09,359
think we were approaching it from

1354
00:57:09,359 --> 00:57:11,880
General business districts across the

1355
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,780
city and avoiding trying to avoid those

1356
00:57:15,780 --> 00:57:19,200
areas that are residential or

1357
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:23,339
um maybe more sensitive to having those

1358
00:57:23,339 --> 00:57:25,559
types of businesses in the area for

1359
00:57:25,559 --> 00:57:28,400
example on State Street

1360
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,400
near I think it's new choices

1361
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,079
maybe not having a dispensary or

1362
00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:36,599
allowing a dispensary in that area

1363
00:57:36,599 --> 00:57:39,000
um again you know it's going to be

1364
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,680
obviously subject to whatever the

1365
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:42,240
council wants to do at the end of the

1366
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,880
day another recommendation related to

1367
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,579
this was requiring special use permits

1368
00:57:47,579 --> 00:57:50,720
for these types of businesses to create

1369
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:54,960
yet another layer of approvals for the

1370
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,380
purposes of not just the type of

1371
00:57:58,380 --> 00:58:00,000
business which you know we wouldn't be

1372
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,300
you know saying no to but making sure

1373
00:58:03,300 --> 00:58:04,380
that

1374
00:58:04,380 --> 00:58:07,260
um the the I think the appearance of the

1375
00:58:07,260 --> 00:58:10,079
business and that there's full

1376
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:12,780
consideration of I think all the aspects

1377
00:58:12,780 --> 00:58:15,780
of that business moving into that area

1378
00:58:15,780 --> 00:58:19,140
um one thing Mr Marnie I think discussed

1379
00:58:19,140 --> 00:58:21,480
with some of you had to do with we have

1380
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:22,980
certain businesses that are going to be

1381
00:58:22,980 --> 00:58:25,980
pre-existing non-conforming which means

1382
00:58:25,980 --> 00:58:28,200
they're going to be allowed to exist

1383
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,119
even though they're going to be outside

1384
00:58:30,119 --> 00:58:33,180
of this overlay that's an unavoidable

1385
00:58:33,180 --> 00:58:35,880
consequence of the zoning

1386
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:36,480
um

1387
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,839
but essentially providing them with or

1388
00:58:39,839 --> 00:58:41,579
creating a schedule in which they will

1389
00:58:41,579 --> 00:58:44,339
have to slowly change

1390
00:58:44,339 --> 00:58:47,180
um their appearance to make it conform

1391
00:58:47,180 --> 00:58:51,180
with whatever the district may require

1392
00:58:51,180 --> 00:58:53,579
that they're currently in

1393
00:58:53,579 --> 00:58:55,799
um so that's you know

1394
00:58:55,799 --> 00:58:57,599
some work that we have to do on our end

1395
00:58:57,599 --> 00:58:59,359
to figure that out

1396
00:58:59,359 --> 00:59:02,700
obviously what I think Mr Marney and I

1397
00:59:02,700 --> 00:59:03,780
had initially recommended was

1398
00:59:03,780 --> 00:59:05,880
determining where

1399
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:07,319
you know if you're going to do an

1400
00:59:07,319 --> 00:59:10,500
overlay where are you looking to the

1401
00:59:10,500 --> 00:59:12,480
overlay so obviously we still want to

1402
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,339
input on that we can certainly provide

1403
00:59:14,339 --> 00:59:17,880
you with our two cents on that and then

1404
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:19,980
from that then figuring out what are the

1405
00:59:19,980 --> 00:59:21,720
next steps in terms of the requirements

1406
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,240
for that District

1407
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:25,799
I know some of you haven't had an

1408
00:59:25,799 --> 00:59:27,359
opportunity to come speak with us and we

1409
00:59:27,359 --> 00:59:29,460
obviously welcome that and anybody who

1410
00:59:29,460 --> 00:59:31,380
has follow-up we obviously would like

1411
00:59:31,380 --> 00:59:34,440
that this is not an easy process it will

1412
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,680
take time and to be frank you know not

1413
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:39,359
everybody's going to be you know

1414
00:59:39,359 --> 00:59:41,040
generally happy they're not you're not

1415
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:42,000
going to get everything on your wish

1416
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,799
list here but we're going to do our best

1417
00:59:43,799 --> 00:59:45,119
to accommodate

1418
00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:47,760
um you know as much of the the wants and

1419
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,500
needs of the council to make this work

1420
00:59:49,500 --> 00:59:51,900
for you all and obviously work for the

1421
00:59:51,900 --> 00:59:56,150
people of the city

1422
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,680
so um further network with the next

1423
00:59:58,680 --> 00:59:59,700
steps will bring us that information

1424
00:59:59,700 --> 01:00:02,160
right so the next steps we will do our

1425
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:02,940
best

1426
01:00:02,940 --> 01:00:05,220
um to come out with um you know from the

1427
01:00:05,220 --> 01:00:07,319
input that you've already given us

1428
01:00:07,319 --> 01:00:09,960
um those uh Parcels

1429
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:11,940
um that we would see as being part of

1430
01:00:11,940 --> 01:00:13,799
the overlay

1431
01:00:13,799 --> 01:00:16,140
um and then based on that

1432
01:00:16,140 --> 01:00:18,180
um other recommendations related to what

1433
01:00:18,180 --> 01:00:20,880
that overlay would require as we said um

1434
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:22,799
you know we're looking at a special use

1435
01:00:22,799 --> 01:00:25,980
permit I think generally I haven't heard

1436
01:00:25,980 --> 01:00:28,200
any opposition to that from talking to

1437
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,660
the council people uh just in in

1438
01:00:30,660 --> 01:00:32,400
conversation

1439
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,980
um but you know as we propose something

1440
01:00:34,980 --> 01:00:37,740
I'm sure there'll be questions and other

1441
01:00:37,740 --> 01:00:41,579
issues that may come up as we further

1442
01:00:41,579 --> 01:00:44,690
discuss this

1443
01:00:44,700 --> 01:00:48,789
foreign

1444
01:00:48,799 --> 01:00:52,319
next meeting you will so I I can't

1445
01:00:52,319 --> 01:00:53,579
guarantee that the next meeting we're

1446
01:00:53,579 --> 01:00:55,079
going to have a list of all the parcels

1447
01:00:55,079 --> 01:00:56,280
because you know there's going to be a

1448
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:57,660
number of pulsive Parcels we're going to

1449
01:00:57,660 --> 01:00:59,760
have to identify okay

1450
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:01,980
um you know and obviously this is in

1451
01:01:01,980 --> 01:01:04,319
consultation with you know

1452
01:01:04,319 --> 01:01:05,400
um people in the development department

1453
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,880
who I think have more insight on

1454
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:10,740
um you know those uses like the Law

1455
01:01:10,740 --> 01:01:12,359
Department doesn't know every business

1456
01:01:12,359 --> 01:01:15,059
within the city within every Corridor

1457
01:01:15,059 --> 01:01:16,680
um so we're going to have to obviously

1458
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:18,780
lean on those folks um in the

1459
01:01:18,780 --> 01:01:20,880
development department to provide us

1460
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:22,799
with their Insight we'd like to bring

1461
01:01:22,799 --> 01:01:24,960
something back as soon as we can I'm

1462
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:26,700
happy to give you an update

1463
01:01:26,700 --> 01:01:28,440
um in two weeks to let you know where we

1464
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,180
are so we can kind of keep track of this

1465
01:01:30,180 --> 01:01:32,819
and in the meantime I still obviously

1466
01:01:32,819 --> 01:01:34,799
and I'm encouraging you all to come come

1467
01:01:34,799 --> 01:01:36,540
meet with us and even if it's an email

1468
01:01:36,540 --> 01:01:39,180
or a telephone call feel free to reach

1469
01:01:39,180 --> 01:01:41,690
out

1470
01:01:41,700 --> 01:01:45,000
to have the opportunity itself thank you

1471
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,220
all right so we will it's going to be a

1472
01:01:47,220 --> 01:01:48,660
process so we're gonna we'll hear back

1473
01:01:48,660 --> 01:01:51,780
in two weeks and so for those of you who

1474
01:01:51,780 --> 01:01:53,220
um may not be aware at this point in

1475
01:01:53,220 --> 01:01:56,040
time in terms of cannabis

1476
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,680
um they've allowed now all licenses so

1477
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:05,280
every licenses it's not just a card or the general now everyone has an

1478
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:06,540
opportunity and they're starting to

1479
01:02:06,540 --> 01:02:09,599
process all licenses that was I I think

1480
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:12,660
they announced that last week so

1481
01:02:12,660 --> 01:02:14,579
um we have a work cut out for us but

1482
01:02:14,579 --> 01:02:16,440
just one I mean the licensing is going

1483
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,299
to be a process and I believe it starts

1484
01:02:18,299 --> 01:02:19,920
October 4th

1485
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:21,599
it's definitely not children I think

1486
01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:22,859
you'll be getting October I want to say

1487
01:02:22,859 --> 01:02:24,540
around the fourth is when they're going

1488
01:02:24,540 --> 01:02:27,359
to actually let that begin to happen so

1489
01:02:27,359 --> 01:02:29,040
um so we you know we still have to try

1490
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:30,720
to get our zoning in place in a

1491
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,160
reasonable amount of time applications

1492
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,859
take a while but still we want to make

1493
01:02:34,859 --> 01:02:36,180
sure that we have

1494
01:02:36,180 --> 01:02:38,940
are zoning in place because the one we

1495
01:02:38,940 --> 01:02:41,400
have now is it's uh grandfathered in and

1496
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:42,780
that's where it could stay there and

1497
01:02:42,780 --> 01:02:44,040
that won't change

1498
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,980
so just to be um to be clear with the

1499
01:02:46,980 --> 01:02:49,920
Cannabis the 1000 feet has to be a

1500
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,380
straight line on the same stream we have

1501
01:02:52,380 --> 01:02:54,180
to we are preempted by the state

1502
01:02:54,180 --> 01:02:56,940
regulations as it applies to cannabis

1503
01:02:56,940 --> 01:03:01,200
um the state regulations apply on same

1504
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:02,520
street

1505
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,400
um for sensory calculations

1506
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:09,420
um as it applies to smoke shops and vape

1507
01:03:09,420 --> 01:03:13,040
shops the council can

1508
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:17,099
put you know distance requirements from

1509
01:03:17,099 --> 01:03:19,319
other smoke shops and vape shops there's

1510
01:03:19,319 --> 01:03:22,140
no preemption on that

1511
01:03:22,140 --> 01:03:25,859
all right any other questions

1512
01:03:25,859 --> 01:03:29,099
Mr palomini um relating to

1513
01:03:29,099 --> 01:03:31,500
not the zoning but the moratorium which

1514
01:03:31,500 --> 01:03:32,880
is really

1515
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,880
um smoke shops where we thinking to move

1516
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:37,880
forward on that given the

1517
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,099
recommendation or lack thereof from the

1518
01:03:41,099 --> 01:03:43,440
county today uh well that came in late

1519
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:44,880
in the day so it didn't make the agenda

1520
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:46,640
so just just

1521
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,200
absolutely understood

1522
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,119
so we will definitely bring that back

1523
01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:53,819
after we have their

1524
01:03:53,819 --> 01:03:55,980
recommendation because there's at least

1525
01:03:55,980 --> 01:03:58,559
two or three shops that aren't on the

1526
01:03:58,559 --> 01:03:59,819
list that

1527
01:03:59,819 --> 01:04:03,540
that's without trying to operate oh I'm

1528
01:04:03,540 --> 01:04:05,280
sure there's a number oh yeah I'm sure

1529
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,099
there's never enough and I am not sure

1530
01:04:08,099 --> 01:04:10,260
why they think they can but I'm sure

1531
01:04:10,260 --> 01:04:12,780
there's a number of them

1532
01:04:12,780 --> 01:04:13,680
um

1533
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:15,359
okay so we'll see that back and then

1534
01:04:15,359 --> 01:04:16,380
we'll

1535
01:04:16,380 --> 01:04:19,559
also bring that back the recommendation

1536
01:04:19,559 --> 01:04:21,359
from the from the

1537
01:04:21,359 --> 01:04:22,740
County

1538
01:04:22,740 --> 01:04:25,200
Mr bear you weren't here for the last

1539
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,280
meeting did uh in terms of I'm good okay

1540
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:35,450
all right so we'll have that okay

1541
01:04:35,460 --> 01:04:40,799
all right um items 789 and 10 and 11

1542
01:04:40,799 --> 01:04:42,720
actually

1543
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:46,200
um well did not pass the last council

1544
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,059
meeting so this is just a reminder that

1545
01:04:48,059 --> 01:04:50,339
this will be back on the agenda although

1546
01:04:50,339 --> 01:04:52,140
those five items

1547
01:04:52,140 --> 01:04:53,700
um for this coming council meeting yeah

1548
01:04:53,700 --> 01:04:55,559
the president yes I'm sorry my

1549
01:04:55,559 --> 01:04:56,819
recommendation would be to have this

1550
01:04:56,819 --> 01:04:58,260
pass out of committee since it didn't

1551
01:04:58,260 --> 01:05:00,359
fail on a vote

1552
01:05:00,359 --> 01:05:00,900
um

1553
01:05:00,900 --> 01:05:03,960
let the council again consider this in

1554
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,900
committee because of because the vote

1555
01:05:06,900 --> 01:05:09,299
failed as opposed to it having been

1556
01:05:09,299 --> 01:05:12,240
tabled my recommendation would be Let It

1557
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,540
Be voted out of committee yet again

1558
01:05:14,540 --> 01:05:18,059
yes okay correct so do we need to um

1559
01:05:18,059 --> 01:05:19,680
also do that in second session again

1560
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,599
because that's what we did these uh is

1561
01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:23,579
certainly up to the count you know I

1562
01:05:23,579 --> 01:05:25,920
can't tell the council what it would be

1563
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,500
subject to Executive uh session at the

1564
01:05:28,500 --> 01:05:31,319
council so choose you know chose to do

1565
01:05:31,319 --> 01:05:33,780
um but that's a consideration of the

1566
01:05:33,780 --> 01:05:35,579
counseling so yes it can go into an

1567
01:05:35,579 --> 01:05:37,500
executive session as it relates to

1568
01:05:37,500 --> 01:05:39,420
property sales and values of properties

1569
01:05:39,420 --> 01:05:41,700
okay so we have

1570
01:05:41,700 --> 01:05:42,380
um

1571
01:05:42,380 --> 01:05:45,059
all the remaining items are also

1572
01:05:45,059 --> 01:05:46,859
executive assistant so well

1573
01:05:46,859 --> 01:05:48,240
um I would suggest you do those things

1574
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,700
that go session so in that case I would

1575
01:05:50,700 --> 01:05:52,500
need a motion to recess

1576
01:05:52,500 --> 01:05:55,200
it's in development plan so second all's

1577
01:05:55,200 --> 01:06:00,720
in favor

1578
01:06:00,730 --> 01:06:02,640
[Music]

1579
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:04,740
on the far side there was a reminder for

1580
01:06:04,740 --> 01:06:08,339
public hearing on the 2022 Consolidated

1581
01:06:08,339 --> 01:06:10,559
annual performance and evaluation report

1582
01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:14,400
the public Airline will be held on the

1583
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:20,390
25th of September

1584
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,260
this next item we will have to vote on

1585
01:06:22,260 --> 01:06:24,059
it I would do that again yes so the next

1586
01:06:24,059 --> 01:06:25,740
item is a reminder is a resolution

1587
01:06:25,740 --> 01:06:28,400
amending resolution

1588
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,140
2022-224 to modify the time period for

1589
01:06:31,140 --> 01:06:33,960
the electric city food Cooperative in

1590
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,900
Inc so secure require Financial

1591
01:06:36,900 --> 01:06:38,579
commitment

1592
01:06:38,579 --> 01:06:44,270
already any discussion on this

1593
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:45,660
second

1594
01:06:45,660 --> 01:06:48,059
I'm gonna second it all in favor all

1595
01:06:48,059 --> 01:06:50,039
right the next item in resolution

1596
01:06:50,039 --> 01:06:52,760
amending resolution

1597
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:56,400
2022-224 to modify the time period for

1598
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,579
young women's Christian Association

1599
01:06:59,579 --> 01:07:02,039
the secure require Financial commitment

1600
01:07:02,039 --> 01:07:05,950
any discussion on this

1601
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:08,640
second I'm gonna second it all in favor

1602
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,819
I the next item a resolution amending

1603
01:07:11,819 --> 01:07:14,180
resolution

1604
01:07:14,180 --> 01:07:17,220
2023-029 to modify the time period for

1605
01:07:17,220 --> 01:07:19,200
Miracle On Crack 3 to secure require

1606
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:22,980
Financial commitment any discussion

1607
01:07:22,980 --> 01:07:25,859
may have a motion second I'm gonna

1608
01:07:25,859 --> 01:07:28,200
second it all in favor

1609
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:30,839
aye the next item a resolution amending

1610
01:07:30,839 --> 01:07:32,720
resolution

1611
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:37,020
2022-224 to 25 the use of fun for

1612
01:07:37,020 --> 01:07:39,900
Schenectady Community Action Program

1613
01:07:39,900 --> 01:07:41,819
any discussion

1614
01:07:41,819 --> 01:07:44,819
we have a motion so second I'm gonna

1615
01:07:44,819 --> 01:07:47,280
second it all in favor all right thank

1616
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:51,589
you any other businesses for finance

1617
01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:55,440
all in favor all right thank you

1618
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,720
I'd like to recommend a City development

1619
01:07:57,720 --> 01:07:59,520
planning and I'm sorry before we go into

1620
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:01,319
executive session there is one item I

1621
01:08:01,319 --> 01:08:02,940
did wanted to ask if we could answer the

1622
01:08:02,940 --> 01:08:05,099
agenda uh they're doing honor event on

1623
01:08:05,099 --> 01:08:08,819
the 30th did get an email and it did not

1624
01:08:08,819 --> 01:08:10,260
make the agenda but I would like to

1625
01:08:10,260 --> 01:08:11,940
entertain us being able to do

1626
01:08:11,940 --> 01:08:14,099
resolutions for the two

1627
01:08:14,099 --> 01:08:17,339
gentlemen who are being honored at that

1628
01:08:17,339 --> 01:08:18,779
uh

1629
01:08:18,779 --> 01:08:21,299
so I would need a motion tools second

1630
01:08:21,299 --> 01:08:24,120
all's in favor all right thank you this

1631
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:25,380
time I need some motion to go in the

1632
01:08:25,380 --> 01:08:29,559
executive session

1633
01:08:29,569 --> 01:08:31,140
[Music]

1634
01:08:31,140 --> 01:08:33,140
um