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[5:54] regarding reducing speed limit well
[5:57] again we're just revisiting the
[5:58] conversation and this evening Mr
[6:00] caruccio and Mr Wallen along with I
[6:03] think a guest right because semestriani
[6:06] um I'm going to be presenting the data
[6:08] that we can take out from the East Road
[6:11] nodes as well as a couple of others okay
[6:14] oh this talks loud into the world in the
[6:17] hotel
[6:18] then you can't hear
[6:21] okay I talked gladly anyways
[6:24] uh all right so we were asked was that
[6:26] um
[6:27] what we did is we focused with Kings
[6:29] Road uh at first we asked Fred mastroni
[6:32] fcm engineering to do a traffic study
[6:35] based on some of the information that we
[6:36] got from our Optical sensors that Mr
[6:39] coluccio presented to you at the
[6:41] previous meeting so I'd introduced Fred
[6:43] who can talk to you about a little bit
[6:45] about traffic engineering some of the
[6:48] constraints and some of the things that
[6:49] he has he has some handouts and so thank
[6:51] you great everybody thank you for the
[6:53] opportunity to talk about Kenny's roads
[6:57] decision
[7:06] some photographs and kind of give you an
[7:09] idea what what the bill looks like for
[7:12] some of the characteristics of the road
[7:15] um
[7:29] so whenever whenever we're looking at a
[7:33] speed limit at any given Road there's
[7:35] two different manuals that are typically
[7:38] used by Traffic Engineers one is the
[7:40] interior state supplement to the manual
[7:43] of uniform traffic control devices for
[7:45] two separate manuals there's a general
[7:47] one for the national New York state has
[7:49] a supplement and how because we are
[7:52] staying it was different from other
[7:53] states so the different criterias we
[7:56] look at one of the criterias is looking
[7:58] at the speed of the traffic John
[8:01] provided me a lot of data regarding
[8:04] speed limits so we look at the 85th
[8:06] percentile speed is one option one one
[8:09] Avenue determine post three that the
[8:11] other factors include the roadway
[8:13] characteristics but how how it functions
[8:15] what's it will function as you look at
[8:17] the development adjacent to the road
[8:19] what is it residential is it a
[8:20] commercial what type of road do we have
[8:22] on-screen parking do we have pedestrian
[8:24] activity and what are the crash history
[8:26] yeah we look at crash data over a
[8:29] certain comparative years to see if
[8:31] there's any data that says people are
[8:34] driving too fast and therefore as a
[8:36] result of the accidents so as far as the
[8:38] roadway conditions I'll walk you through
[8:40] a little bit of what of this so This
[8:42] these photographs that I took they start
[8:45] at the Kings Road bridge heading towards
[8:48] uh Albany Street you can kind of see the
[8:50] basically the road is a Tulane Highway
[8:52] we've got double yellow Center Line with
[8:54] Edge lines the Rope was relatively
[8:56] narrow it's not very very wide according
[8:59] to the statistics that I've got it's
[9:01] about 20 feet wide so this area there's
[9:04] not a lot of pedestrian activities you
[9:05] can tell but if you go to the next
[9:07] photograph
[9:08] which is near the intersection of Queen
[9:11] filamenta Boulevard yeah you see a
[9:13] sidewalk on the east side of the road
[9:15] and the other side is nothing not
[9:17] nothing there as far as pedestrian
[9:19] activity and if you look at the
[9:21] photographs it keeps going down the
[9:23] third one is which 403 is by constant
[9:27] Road as you can see the road is very
[9:29] straight flat there's only one curve uh
[9:32] that's another prior picture by the
[9:35] Kingsway Village that's got an old
[9:37] village sharp curve as a matter of fact
[9:39] you can see a Chevron in one of the
[9:41] photographs but everything is pretty
[9:42] much straight and flat so if you look at
[9:45] photo four this is by the Windermere
[9:48] Road intersection where we have a
[9:49] crosswalk
[9:50] and there's a sign for The Pedestrian
[9:53] Crossing
[9:54] and the last World is but really
[9:56] straight as we get closer to all mystery
[9:58] so I kind of wanted to give you a
[9:59] picture I know I'm sure I'll be familiar
[10:01] with King's robe I think it's nice to
[10:03] give you an overall picture of what the
[10:05] roadway looks like
[10:07] um so as far as the world records is
[10:10] like I said there's two planes of travel
[10:12] each lane is about 10 feet wide one side
[10:15] of the road we have a continuous
[10:16] sidewalk which is five feet wide on the
[10:18] other side is mainly a very little
[10:21] pedestrian activity but there is a
[10:22] section of it
[10:24] um so kind of gives you an idea of how
[10:26] this pedestrian traffic if you will is
[10:28] generated the overall length of King's
[10:30] Road from the bridge to Albany streets
[10:33] about 0.81 miles and one interesting
[10:36] fact is there's roughly around 20 000
[10:39] cars a day that travel on King's Road so
[10:42] it's a high volume traffic and that's
[10:44] why it's kind of the functional
[10:45] classification of the road is called an
[10:47] urban collector Road what that basically
[10:50] means is it does serves two purposes it
[10:53] connects people from within their
[10:55] Community but also has Vehicles going
[10:58] from one area to another then from
[11:00] Rotterdam to State Street and so on so
[11:02] and and looking at the traffic is very
[11:05] much with 20 000 cars day most of them
[11:08] are commuter commuter traffic so there's
[11:10] not a lot of stuff I'm going to attend
[11:12] to go one of the interesting things
[11:13] about Kings Road is
[11:15] there is no control Atkins world the
[11:17] only control is on assessments there's
[11:19] stop signs and all along each side
[11:21] street and of course at the intersection
[11:23] without any Street there's a traffic
[11:25] signal which is the beginning of it so
[11:26] the reason why I bring that up is if
[11:28] you're having fun if you're driving on
[11:30] Kings Road the only time you really need
[11:32] to slow down is if people are turning
[11:34] into a driveway or turning into an
[11:36] intersection for the most part
[11:38] you know it's free flowing when you're
[11:41] looking at the 85th percentile it's been
[11:43] like John gave me traffic data which
[11:45] says the 85th percentile speed is
[11:47] anywhere between 32 and 34 miles per
[11:50] hour and for those of you who don't know
[11:52] any 50 percent top speed is it means
[11:55] like 85 percent of traffic is traveling
[11:57] at that speed or less in traffic
[11:59] engineering that's one of one of the
[12:01] critical factors if you will then be
[12:04] used for roadway design traffic signs
[12:06] and so on but the nice thing about that
[12:10] information is we got that information
[12:12] through John but just remember that that
[12:15] is uh data that collects for every
[12:18] single vehicle so if I'm driving down
[12:21] the road I need to take a right or a
[12:22] left that data that number is collected
[12:25] what we do as Traffic Engineers we do a
[12:27] follow-up study which is which is sort
[12:30] of you you're you follow the vehicles
[12:32] that are traveling that are going from
[12:34] one point to another that don't stop
[12:36] that's because we're talking about
[12:39] free-flowing traffic that's what you
[12:41] base your 85 percent that's been on and
[12:43] I did that on a Saturday for about four
[12:46] hours I followed Cars one direction to
[12:48] follow cars the other direction a 34 or
[12:50] 35 miles per hour seems to be the
[12:53] so the right number so the data that
[12:56] John provided me it was pretty
[12:57] consistent with what I found what I did
[13:00] the did the study
[13:01] so crash history now we we got data for
[13:06] 52 months and I looked at every single
[13:08] police accident report that I was given
[13:10] and I said well why what's what's the
[13:13] per why are we having these actions a
[13:15] lot of it is just drivers are just not
[13:17] careful uh they're you know they're either turning into a driveway
[13:21] they slow down and they had a vehicle
[13:23] behind them doesn't see it but not one
[13:26] traffic accident really uh well I'll
[13:28] take that back there was one accident
[13:30] that was due to a vehicle driving very
[13:33] fast
[13:33] but that vehicle was being chased by the
[13:36] police
[13:37] but every all the other 25 crashes uh
[13:40] there were nothing related to speed
[13:43] um so again when we look at as Traffic
[13:46] Engineers we look at the 850 percentile
[13:48] speed we look at the roadway
[13:49] characteristics which I just mentioned
[13:51] there's also a program that the Federal
[13:53] Highway Administration has developed
[13:56] which kind of uses a several different
[13:58] data and several different accidents
[14:00] several different speeds and that data
[14:03] kind of gives you a sort of recommended
[14:06] speed and based upon that information
[14:08] which is in your in the study it didn't
[14:10] recommend uh lowering this the closest
[14:13] speed limit
[14:14] so when I looked at that road under its
[14:17] current condition
[14:19] um I don't as a traffic engineer I can't
[14:22] recommend anything less than what's out
[14:23] there now
[14:24] uh so I don't recommend going to 25 I
[14:28] recommend keeping it at 30.
[14:30] so I guess I'll open up to questions but
[14:33] uh that was this recommendation from the
[14:35] study it's about me
[14:37] um
[14:38] I tend to agree about the speed limit
[14:40] without enforcement it's kind of
[14:43] meaningless so you mentioned the ability
[14:46] to get cars to stop and are there areas
[14:51] where a stop sign would be beneficial
[14:54] that could interfere with Kings Road yes
[14:57] so in that scenario what we would do is
[15:00] we would not now we have traffic data on
[15:02] the main line we would need to collect
[15:03] traffic being on the side streets and
[15:05] there are certain warrants to put an
[15:07] all-way stop signs I think that's what
[15:08] you're suggesting and we would look into
[15:10] that and I most of those side streets
[15:13] are don't generate a lot of traffic you
[15:15] would think jobs and maybe even a little
[15:17] bit more about the meeting I can tell
[15:19] you my casual view of that you know
[15:21] based on my knowledge of the city for so
[15:23] many years I I would sincerely doubt
[15:26] that any of those intersections would
[15:28] meet the minimum volume requirements for
[15:32] it but we will definitely look into it
[15:34] and see and just just as another thing
[15:36] to say is
[15:37] I know some computers just put up stop
[15:39] signs wherever they want but you have to
[15:42] we have to be very careful because
[15:43] whenever we put an additional like an
[15:45] always stop sign and for some reason
[15:47] it's not warranted and God forbid
[15:49] something gets into a traffic accident
[15:51] then we are liable for putting up a
[15:54] traffic control side that shouldn't be
[15:56] there so we have to be careful of that I
[15:59] wasn't thinking necessarily so much as
[16:00] the intersections as maybe
[16:03] um kind of like Hamburg Street at the at
[16:05] the end of the bridge
[16:07] um that might be an incoming
[16:11] um if that would be a good location or a
[16:13] possibility so that would be by
[16:16] um
[16:16] right
[16:26] that's that's one area where we can
[16:28] collect the side street data and see
[16:30] what
[16:31] super could justify that or not
[16:34] although that's sort of not I mean I
[16:36] think when you're looking at reducing
[16:38] speed sometimes the midpoint is the best
[16:40] place obviously but yeah well obviously
[16:43] without data we can't make a
[16:44] determination right
[16:47] so if you don't recommend us reducing
[16:50] the speed limit to 25 or you know
[16:53] whatever what would be your
[16:55] recommendations for how we can
[16:57] try to yeah one of the returns that our
[17:00] residents have risked yeah um some of
[17:03] the things that we look at as Traffic
[17:05] Engineers we look at various traffic
[17:06] calming measures
[17:08] so I mean some some of the traffic
[17:10] common measures may have seen some some
[17:12] communities they have a Wide Travel Lane
[17:14] they put Edge lines in they reduce the
[17:17] width of the travel Lane we don't have
[17:19] that here the traveling is narrow
[17:20] already I mean it's actually 10 feet
[17:22] which is very narrow I'm getting
[17:24] narrower than we would want right to be
[17:27] honest there is a lot of truck traffic
[17:29] there so as a matter of fact if I don't
[17:31] know if it knows but there's a photo the
[17:33] first one that shows the trucks and you
[17:36] can see that truck is pretty much
[17:37] hugging the travel Lane yeah so that's
[17:39] one option we you know we look at
[17:41] there's a number of different things you
[17:43] can look at you can look at
[17:45] um you know Landscaping possibly adding
[17:48] some trees that are not
[17:50] to a point where they're creating a
[17:52] problem we can look at
[17:55] um
[17:56] speed speed feedback science you know
[17:59] where you put the speed signs up and
[18:00] they tell you how fast you're driving
[18:01] yeah one of the things I know when I
[18:04] juice when I drive those I always slow
[18:05] down yeah but sometimes what happens
[18:07] with people is that if they'll slow down
[18:11] in the beginning but we don't know how
[18:13] effective it is over the long term but
[18:15] that certainly is an option you know we
[18:17] even talked about things like race
[18:18] Crossings like looking at the
[18:20] intersection and possibly raising it up
[18:22] sort of create a I want to call it speed
[18:24] Hub but create a sort of visual change
[18:28] because right now that road is
[18:29] relatively flat and straight if we
[18:31] create some potential uh changes in this
[18:34] geometry unit perhaps that'll slow it
[18:36] down and if you do it for one
[18:38] intersection that really is it that may
[18:40] slow down for that particular
[18:41] instruction but you have to look at a
[18:43] lot so there's other things we can look
[18:45] at and none of these that I mentioned
[18:47] means that we are applicable to this it
[18:50] was something in front of another study
[18:51] looking at different traffic calling
[18:53] measures
[18:55] yeah
[18:56] and uh thank you madam president we're
[18:58] the discussion is focused somewhat on
[19:02] King's Road
[19:04] we get feedback across the city so you
[19:09] know some of this is what you can do at
[19:12] Kings Road what you can't do there uh
[19:15] are the things that we should look to do
[19:17] on Kings Road but there would also be
[19:20] applicable at other places throughout
[19:23] the city and
[19:25] you know there's the feeder road is am I
[19:30] using the correct term Peter streets or
[19:31] roads uh you know the main ones and how
[19:35] do we balance that where you know we
[19:37] want traffic to move in a safe and
[19:39] efficient manner but but at the same
[19:41] time we don't want people
[19:43] using poor judgment where they're
[19:46] speeding and how do we get that
[19:48] across in terms of design teachers
[19:51] signage
[19:52] enforcement
[19:54] and just general education of the public
[19:58] I mean there's certain some things maybe
[19:59] when you do in the city's website we can
[20:02] certainly uh provide some of the
[20:05] information because driver behavior is
[20:06] what really what we're talking about
[20:08] people will drive fast because it's
[20:10] straight it's flat
[20:12] um and some people are good then you
[20:14] know they don't use it but for the most
[20:16] part that's what happens so we can
[20:18] possibly put some information on the
[20:19] website hopefully the city of residents
[20:21] will look at that and say hey this is
[20:23] some of the issues for example I've got
[20:25] there's a study that says if you're
[20:27] driving 30 miles per hour and you hit a
[20:30] person
[20:31] there's a 45 chance that person is going
[20:34] to not make it right but if that driver
[20:36] is driving 25 right
[20:38] instead of 30 there's a greater chance
[20:41] that person is going to make and he's
[20:43] going to get hurt he or she but they're
[20:45] not good enough so that's the kind of
[20:47] data we can certainly put on the city's
[20:49] website that would be helpful and
[20:50] beneficial uh
[20:52] I don't see why not right and maybe I
[20:54] don't know about the motor vehicles if
[20:56] we if we share that data with them as
[20:59] well so whenever somebody comes in and
[21:01] wants to get a license you know as part
[21:04] of that perhaps that information could
[21:06] be given to them it's always good it's
[21:09] just we have to keep we have to have
[21:10] people understand what the ramifications
[21:13] are whenever they drive it too fast and
[21:15] they hit something specifically a
[21:16] pedestrian or a bicyclist
[21:20] and so that may be an option
[21:23] um so right now you well let me just say
[21:26] that you both you and Mr paluccio said
[21:28] that that was like third between 32 and
[21:30] 34 and I think some of us have gotten
[21:33] um information from from residents
[21:35] they're using a handheld speed yeah I
[21:39] don't know what you call it okay
[21:41] um to and it's like registering in 40.
[21:43] so it's can you well yeah when we talk
[21:45] about 85th percentile speed we're saying
[21:48] that people at 85 percent of traffic is
[21:50] traveling at that speed or less and if
[21:52] we look at the traveling data that John
[21:54] provided there's certainly people are
[21:55] driving through 40
[21:57] 45. but the problem is you can't design
[22:00] for that kind of a you know or you can't
[22:03] put traffic signs based on that you have
[22:06] to you know you have to assume based
[22:07] upon 85 percent of traffic no less like
[22:10] for somebody may drive 100 miles per
[22:11] hour you're not going to design a road
[22:13] for that that's the kind of theory
[22:15] behind it so that's where the male
[22:16] uniform traffic control device is it's
[22:18] important because it's a specific
[22:21] standard that's used Nationwide so we're
[22:23] not doing anything special here before
[22:25] yeah just clear this up though yeah if
[22:27] the speed data came back and said that
[22:30] the average 85th percentile speed on the
[22:32] road was 45 yes
[22:35] would you recommend reducing it to 25
[22:37] yeah
[22:39] that's more we have to you have to
[22:43] reduce the speed to be able to meet the
[22:45] American can reduce the speed to get the
[22:48] outcome that it's reverse of what you'd
[22:50] like to think right you'd be looking for
[22:52] it because if they're driving that fast
[22:54] there's no way they were going to be
[22:56] able to get them down to that speed
[22:58] because people drive out of speed
[23:00] they're comfortable at right and that's
[23:02] part of the issue and just so you know
[23:05] I'll get a timeline space study for the
[23:07] East Greenbush and we had the same
[23:09] issues right right so the end result was
[23:13] you know on residential streets meaning
[23:16] like if I I was raised in cusoe Avenue
[23:20] Bay you know between van break and
[23:23] Avenue and Avenue a or Avenue B we got
[23:25] blocks of streets that are not very long
[23:28] you're not very early you're going to
[23:30] get people to drive from one one to
[23:32] another at that rate of speed at 35.4
[23:34] they're going to drive slower so those
[23:36] are the type of streets that I think the
[23:38] city should think consider potentially
[23:40] reducing the postal speed limit from 30
[23:42] to 25. but whenever you're looking at a
[23:45] collector Road where you have you know
[23:46] fifteen twenty thousand cars going from
[23:48] one point to another uh it makes it it
[23:52] makes it difficult I think they need to
[23:54] consider it so in a screen Bush we
[23:56] looked at all the residential streets
[23:57] that's and we said okay we got traffic
[24:00] data similar to a job providing me here
[24:02] and the 85th percentile speed and was
[24:05] anywhere between 25 and 30 miles per
[24:07] hour so it kind of made sense but
[24:10] whenever there's Collective rows in the
[24:11] town of course there's State highways we
[24:13] didn't have any jurisdiction
[24:16] um so that's kind of the the logic
[24:18] behind that and I think we may want to
[24:20] consider that here as well
[24:24] so next steps in general one other
[24:27] question that I had was just did you
[24:28] want to do the data from the other
[24:31] couple of streets that you mentioned
[24:32] rugby or something so we do have some
[24:36] data that we collected from Albany
[24:38] Street and from Rugby Road
[24:40] um to be quite honest with you there
[24:42] were some outliers that they gave us
[24:44] that I wasn't happy with
[24:47] um but I I can tell you overall the
[24:49] Rugby Road I think the 85th percentile
[24:52] was about 32 33 miles per hour 233 miles
[24:56] an hour and Albany Street I think was a
[24:59] little higher a little higher right I
[25:00] was in the four I think it was all four
[25:02] days it might even have been 40 miles an
[25:03] hour and I just saw the data yesterday
[25:05] and and I did look at rugby I'm familiar
[25:07] Rugby Road Rugby Road is basically 36
[25:10] foot wide from Curb to curb and you
[25:13] can't park on both sides of the road as
[25:15] you know
[25:16] so there's some there may be some minor
[25:18] things we could do to potentially reduce
[25:20] the speed on that like for example if we
[25:22] decided to put double yellow center
[25:25] lines and Edge lines because think about
[25:27] it in front of it it's 36 feet wide and
[25:29] that's 10 o'clock in the morning
[25:30] nobody's parked on the road you've got a
[25:33] wide payment but if we somehow
[25:35] channelize that if you will some people
[25:37] will stay within the lane there's a
[25:39] possibility that they're going to drive
[25:40] a little slower 10 miles per hour slower
[25:42] I don't know but that's the kind of
[25:44] thing maybe that's that and that is by
[25:46] the way uh not a local Road it's not a
[25:49] collector room so it's one of those
[25:51] streets where in my mind as a traffic
[25:53] engineer I would say that may be a good
[25:55] possibility but we got to do something
[25:56] we can't believe it the way it is and
[25:58] expect people to drive at 25 miles per
[26:00] hour so the treatment that we would look
[26:03] at for roads are based on their
[26:06] characteristics right now why they are
[26:08] what kind of traffic that they
[26:10] um cover you know turning vehicle
[26:13] movements might be something we want to
[26:15] look at to see you know what we can do
[26:18] maybe bump outs maybe you know different
[26:20] things that we can look at but it's
[26:22] based on the individual uh
[26:24] characteristics whereas the Kings Road
[26:26] as far as the you know the right-of-way
[26:29] there were somewhat limited with what we
[26:32] have I think all Industries actually
[26:35] functions in Atlanta arterial which is a
[26:38] pretty high functionality and I don't
[26:40] think you're going to get a screen it's
[26:41] connected as a higher function except
[26:43] maybe State Street but that's got a lot
[26:46] of traffic and there's a lot of people
[26:48] going from one point to another now so
[26:50] that would be very difficult to consider
[26:52] reducing the 25 miles per hour
[26:55] Mr Walling you oh all right you talked
[26:58] about um putting in there was on the
[26:59] crosswalk that was going to go in are we
[27:01] talking about the same crosswalk here or
[27:03] were you talking about that actually
[27:04] another one there is a new crosswalk
[27:07] that we're looking to put in and I
[27:09] believe it what picture of the picture I
[27:12] believe
[27:15] it
[27:16] so right around the curve area of the
[27:19] picture too right uh by the Kingsway
[27:21] Village sign at a queen film man oh
[27:25] right here yeah um cross Kings there
[27:28] that's one that's the location that
[27:29] we're looking to put in but essentially
[27:31] is a mid block so that crosswalk there
[27:34] will have a 388 Rams two at the corner
[27:37] one uh Kings Where the Sidewalk is we'll
[27:40] have to ramp down we'll have crosswalk
[27:42] signs pointing then we'll have 100 feet
[27:45] away crosswalk ahead signs
[27:49] while it is new we're gonna have Flags
[27:53] um the flags will be on there or people
[27:55] of being a new Crossing
[27:57] um so that's what we're looking at at
[27:59] this time Cowan ends up in the mobilize
[28:01] action in the next couple of weeks and
[28:03] that area is getting paid for new
[28:04] filming and all that so it's going to be
[28:06] part of that program so yeah that is one
[28:09] of the things that we are doing
[28:10] hopefully something more visual try to
[28:13] break up the monotony the flatness there
[28:15] yeah
[28:16] of that I mean just the issue with this
[28:19] is uh you know I spoke about it last
[28:21] time you talked about the the three E's
[28:23] of Education enforcement and Engineering
[28:26] um the engineering on this particular
[28:28] road is hard because of we already have
[28:31] what would be an engineered roadway we
[28:33] have curves we have narrow Lanes we have
[28:36] strong Street trees on the side we have
[28:39] a low speed limit you know but we're
[28:41] fighting it's flat it's straight and uh
[28:44] and it is a 20 000 car a day uh you know
[28:47] collector so we're fighting that now to
[28:50] rugby Craig Street would be an example
[28:52] you know those streets are more of a
[28:55] canvas that haven't had any investment
[28:56] in them they're wide we're looking to do
[28:59] treatments there to try to reduce speeds
[29:01] there as well but we don't have
[29:03] that afternoon here but this is already
[29:05] you know this is already kind of you
[29:07] know what we would want to make it and
[29:09] you know that was it sounds uh it sounds
[29:12] odd to say that you know we have a an
[29:14] issue with speeds being a little high
[29:15] and I want to put in trees but you know
[29:18] the idea is it's already an area Court
[29:20] how can we make it feel narrower you
[29:21] know how can we make people do it
[29:23] um you know I know someone may ask you
[29:25] know uh speed bumps D tables
[29:28] um vibrations I have gotten multiple
[29:30] complaints from residents on this
[29:32] stretch about vibrations there is trucks
[29:34] on this stretch when you introduce
[29:36] something like that you're going to
[29:38] introduce more vibration and and more of
[29:41] that this is also a route that I would
[29:43] deem as
[29:44] emergency but it's a critical route like
[29:47] Fred was saying it's not a local route
[29:49] it's not something that if you want the
[29:50] traffic to go onto a road we would like
[29:52] to go on to Kings we would hate to have
[29:54] somebody say I'm not going to drive on
[29:56] Kings I'm going to drive on the
[29:57] neighboring streets and the residential
[29:59] streets now you have people cutting
[30:01] through because if you were to go with
[30:02] the blocks over those are very long
[30:04] extreme streets as well so someone will
[30:06] be coming down Albany they'll take that
[30:08] left they'll go down the residential
[30:09] street to avoid the you know the traffic
[30:12] calming devices that we would have put
[30:14] and they come out of McDonald's so it's
[30:16] not a lot of alternative routes to take
[30:18] that are comparable to Kim's room either
[30:21] right that's one of the issues and why
[30:23] we have it's a volume really if you
[30:25] think about it that is part of the issue
[30:27] right the 20 000 Vehicles a thing uh an
[30:31] odd thing that could occur I mean maybe
[30:34] naturally is that we were talking this
[30:37] road will close essentially the bridge
[30:39] will close January 15th and be closed
[30:42] for a period of nine months
[30:44] um alternate routes will be marked and
[30:46] need to be seen maybe as a result
[30:49] traffic will stay even if it was 10 20
[30:53] percent that would be a significant
[30:55] amount that would seek can stay on the
[30:57] alternate routes I don't know
[30:59] um conversely you will have a new bridge
[31:01] so maybe people will feel that they can
[31:03] drive over the new bridge but for uh for
[31:06] those nine months the road will be I'm
[31:08] guessing it will be very quiet for
[31:10] people on King's Road as that would
[31:12] become essentially a dead neighborhoods
[31:16] at the crosswalk just um I know that we
[31:19] can't do stop signs or any of that stuff
[31:21] but is there any way that we could put a
[31:23] traffic device like a flashing light
[31:25] just to make people aware that people
[31:26] are crossing here because what we're
[31:28] hearing from residents is that people
[31:30] that's it's dangerous to cross so when
[31:33] if that's an opportunity if we're going
[31:35] to be putting it across logs just let
[31:36] people know I understand about well it
[31:38] doesn't sound like there's a lot of room
[31:39] even for that little yeah they're
[31:41] definitely gonna look at it it is
[31:43] possible but like you just said the
[31:45] right of way it's very limited there so
[31:47] you have to take a look and see if we
[31:49] actually have the real estate there to
[31:51] do that
[32:02] [Applause]
[32:08] and now you're getting you know a sign
[32:10] being back are we there can you keep the
[32:13] sidewalk clear you know there's a lot of
[32:15] things it's similarly uh on Broadway we
[32:18] used to have a flashing rapid beacon on
[32:20] Broadway
[32:21] um with the constraints of the new ones
[32:23] we couldn't fit a new one there which is
[32:24] why we had to go to the side location so
[32:27] they're not the end-all be-all they
[32:29] can't just you know be thrown in we
[32:30] aren't going to look at it they do make
[32:32] solar ones that are available so we did
[32:36] discuss looking into it okay yeah like
[32:38] this is a it's going to be like a
[32:39] typical side you'd see at the crosswalk
[32:41] yeah but we can certainly put Flags
[32:44] around it just there's another visual
[32:45] launch blocks are good because the
[32:47] visibility you can see them at night so
[32:49] there's little things like that we could
[32:51] do will that will that slow traffic down
[32:53] well let's hope
[32:54] so
[32:57] Miss Patrick
[32:59] well I mean we've been talking about
[33:01] this for you know since forever
[33:04] um it was it early last summer I think
[33:06] of 2022 where you know we have a meeting
[33:08] here with
[33:09] the chief Now assistant chief Whipple as
[33:12] well talking about the enforcement piece
[33:14] we had some ideas there
[33:17] um Mr Paul Minnie brought up all sorts
[33:19] of ways of using some of our technology
[33:21] on our traffic signals you know that
[33:23] kind of thing um at some point I can't
[33:25] remember when that was but looking at
[33:27] those traffic calming measures as well
[33:29] certainly bringing this up when we did
[33:32] bring it up we I never thought that we
[33:34] were going to be doing it throughout the
[33:35] city it really was about you know in
[33:38] terms of the 25 mile per hour it was
[33:40] just gosh we're all getting
[33:43] calls from residents all the time we got
[33:46] to figure out something that's going to
[33:47] help try to control behavior and um it
[33:50] does come down to the behavior to me I
[33:52] agree that I think that it's an
[33:54] Enforcement issue a lot of times
[33:56] um so how do we you know put limited
[33:58] Staffing there
[34:00] um figure something out as well when
[34:01] there's other you know issues that
[34:04] um end up taking priority for our for
[34:06] our police force so I guess I'm just
[34:08] looking for you know sort of
[34:11] we can't do something overall but these
[34:14] recommendations that we've all been
[34:16] making now for a while I just want to be
[34:20] able to try to have
[34:22] not closure necessarily it's always
[34:24] going to have to be reevaluated but but
[34:26] we did talk about the potential to use
[34:28] cameras for speed control
[34:33] legislation was requested from the state
[34:36] on that I know did that ever happen or
[34:38] not sure if that ever happened or not
[34:40] but yeah I think that's what one of the
[34:43] things that we need to happen before we
[34:45] could even evaluate it was for us to be
[34:48] able to come become legally allowed to
[34:51] do that
[34:53] Miss Williams oh so I wonder firstly
[34:55] would thank you for gathering this data
[34:57] I think oftentimes when I request this
[34:59] type of information regardless of the
[35:00] outcome I think it's important to
[35:01] understand that it has a certain
[35:03] expectation or a
[35:05] certain amount of hours that it takes to
[35:07] compile this information so I appreciate
[35:08] you having this uh definitely I
[35:10] understand from a data standpoint the 85
[35:12] percentile you have to stay within like
[35:15] that sort of framework to understand how
[35:17] to implement the right decision but I
[35:18] think it's also important to highlight
[35:19] that further residents that doesn't
[35:21] accurately assess the The Growing Pains
[35:24] or the lived experience that they're
[35:26] dealing with so similar to miss
[35:27] Patrick's Point I know you highlighted
[35:29] some potential measures that we could
[35:31] Implement I think there was three of
[35:33] them this speed feedback signs planting
[35:36] trees and the repayment repainting of
[35:39] the rides I I can imagine being a
[35:41] resident area like planting trees might
[35:43] not sound like a real estate solution
[35:46] but I think if it's within the scope of
[35:48] your practice saying that this is an
[35:51] available option for us can you give us
[35:53] a potential timeline for implementing
[35:54] either of those three if not into
[35:56] accounting
[35:58] I mean I guess the part of the reason
[36:01] why betrays are are part of a traffic
[36:03] conversation as you all know when you're
[36:05] driving along the road you see as you
[36:07] just want to know about implementing yes
[36:09] sir yeah so uh we can look at it and for
[36:13] the video counting will be on site you
[36:15] know Callahan does have any Striker and
[36:17] you have a company that does Landscaping
[36:19] through them so we can evaluate it
[36:22] um you know we would have to look uh
[36:24] some of the locations would have to be
[36:26] identified make sure they're not in
[36:27] conflict with utilities and to make sure
[36:28] the right way is there but we're open I
[36:31] mean like the crosswalk is going to
[36:33] happen we're going to look into the uh
[36:36] solar and some of those other things but
[36:37] we we won't we don't have to sit on this
[36:40] it's just you know it's something that
[36:42] Fred luckily is uh here to assist us as
[36:46] in lieu of staff so to speak
[36:48] um so you know he's been helping a lot
[36:50] kind of just to give him credit he's
[36:51] been helping us with North College which
[36:54] is you know the yeoman's effort to work
[36:56] down there on The Stockade and get that
[36:59] done so that's been going well um so I
[37:01] think you know him and I are up to the
[37:03] task of implementing this I think we can
[37:05] do something now is the planting season
[37:07] if we were actually applying tree so
[37:09] we'd want to hop on that but we could
[37:10] look at it
[37:11] with Clifton Park they've stopped quite
[37:14] a number of
[37:15] rrsps they're called the rapid
[37:18] reflective uh Flash and beacons where
[37:21] pedestrians would walk up to it it's it doesn't stay on doesn't there
[37:26] are some that just continue blinking
[37:28] what happens with that people just
[37:30] ignore them so it's not going to
[37:31] pedestrian is coming close to it they
[37:34] should push the button when they push
[37:36] the button that thing flashes and those
[37:39] are really effective right my opinion
[37:41] that may be an option here too for the
[37:43] other classroom and make it on soil
[37:45] which is great because it's much smaller
[37:47] through exactly yeah you're probably
[37:49] looking at anywhere 10 to 15 000 per
[37:51] intersection it's not those but that's
[37:54] another traffic calming measure that
[37:56] they could so you can consider
[37:59] so basically we're down in the
[38:01] behavioral change or enforcement yeah so
[38:04] several years ago there was a study I
[38:06] believe an engineering study at uh I
[38:08] think in Sweden
[38:11] um basically they created this system
[38:13] where the crate behavioral change they
[38:16] had a monitor got the speed limit if you
[38:19] did the speed limit you were entered
[38:20] into a lottery if you weren't you got a
[38:23] ticket that money was used to fund the
[38:25] lottery
[38:26] um
[38:27] could that be something you could look
[38:29] into as perhaps something that we might
[38:31] be able to use on certain avenues like
[38:34] state or Airy Boulevard
[38:37] so I have to find out more about it but
[38:40] I promise
[38:41] the state legislation allowing some of
[38:46] that as well right but it doesn't make
[38:47] sense to move forward if you don't think
[38:49] it's a yeah I think driver behavior is
[38:52] huge is somehow we can go to motor
[38:54] vehicles and all these places that you
[38:56] know especially when they're young when
[38:58] you're a young person and you're getting
[38:59] your license you've got to figure out a
[39:01] way to wrote it it's not just about you know it's about the rest of the
[39:05] public how can we get people to slow
[39:06] down please I mean enforcement is
[39:09] obviously a big part of it but you know
[39:11] we all know there's no way we're going
[39:12] to be able to enforce every single Road
[39:14] in the city's connect we just don't have
[39:15] the you know the resources so the
[39:18] behavior is huge and I'll I probably
[39:20] shouldn't say this but I'll say it as an
[39:22] individual when I you know again it's
[39:26] attractive it doesn't reflect on
[39:28] anything we've done but I see a speed
[39:30] limit sign I see 30 miles per hour
[39:32] because what I'm going to do was
[39:35] everybody how fast you're gonna drive
[39:40] 35.39 because you know at 39 you're not
[39:44] going to get full coverage you go 40.
[39:48] well I think but you don't have to you
[39:51] shouldn't do that but that's what people
[39:52] think
[39:53] and I think that's what we've seen in
[39:55] the studies
[39:56] per hour um speed limit and especially
[39:59] around The Pedestrian deaths that it
[40:01] does seem to look make people go a
[40:03] little bit you know that even that five
[40:05] miles slower
[40:07] um
[40:08] uh bring it down the only other thing I
[40:10] just want to say before we move on our
[40:13] other people talk but
[40:14] um is the fact that with some of this
[40:16] stuff I mean I would think that there's
[40:18] probably some immediacy around the
[40:19] budget planning for 2024 as well so
[40:23] um I think we're going to need to know
[40:24] some of these um pieces that you guys
[40:27] have brought up and as Paul many has
[40:29] talked about you know
[40:31] unfortunately pretty quickly or even if
[40:34] there is an enforcement piece so and one
[40:37] of the things I was going to point out
[40:38] and this is engineer hat just to bring
[40:41] you into our world on it it is called
[40:43] the manual of uniform traffic control
[40:45] devices and I don't think that people
[40:48] appreciate those signs and how those
[40:51] signs get into place especially in a
[40:53] city you tend to get a little
[40:55] ordered out with signs and things you
[40:57] have a lot for if you were to uh you
[40:59] know go I don't think we're at this
[41:01] level yet but go to Stanton County
[41:02] Saratoga counties and the counties and
[41:05] look at a sign and look at the back of
[41:07] that sign and one of the new policies
[41:09] that all the counties are doing is each
[41:11] sign is GPS barcoded scanned and marked
[41:15] into a system because those signs need
[41:17] to be specific distances specific
[41:20] locations as it turns into that
[41:22] intersection that you know how far away
[41:25] is it school bus areas schools of
[41:28] everything is now now they're actually
[41:29] gising everything in the county level
[41:32] because those Signs Now are
[41:34] it's a traffic control device it is not
[41:37] a speed control measure it is not a it's
[41:40] not something that you just will you
[41:41] know you know put down because you're
[41:43] right right everybody probably sitting
[41:44] in this room is thinking what we're
[41:46] going to do on Kings Road is we're going
[41:47] to lower the speed limit to 25 and just
[41:49] like Fred said everyone's going to drive
[41:51] six miles an hour over that now we're
[41:53] going to drive 31 we did something
[41:56] but that's not how we can put that sign
[41:58] there so you have to do the study you
[42:01] have to find this and if you have you
[42:02] have to reduce it so now it's okay if
[42:04] you want to do that how do we keep
[42:06] reducing the speed but at some point you
[42:10] run out and then you say well even if
[42:12] you want to make it one way let's just
[42:14] say in a magical world holy God that
[42:16] road is going to be twice as fast now
[42:18] you know and then you're going to get
[42:19] that that actually having two-way makes
[42:21] it slower right so there's only so much
[42:24] that we can get to but I just wanted to
[42:25] point out that sometimes when it comes
[42:27] with a signage I think sometimes people
[42:29] don't appreciate for that that manual
[42:32] that's the size of a phone book and that
[42:33] supplemental that's the size of a
[42:34] smaller home and the county doesn't have
[42:36] a refraction of the signs that we have
[42:39] in the city which is for the right
[42:40] person oh that's that's one of the
[42:42] reasons but it's it's that important
[42:43] stuff because they want to get those measurements
[42:48] you're an engineer for a reason the same
[42:51] reason why I'm not an engineer so I
[42:53] think it's important when we're seeking
[42:54] your judgment or feedback that we're
[42:56] actually eating I definitely understand
[42:58] that there are considerations from other
[43:00] municipalities uh and I think getting
[43:02] your opinion on those helps but looking
[43:06] back at those three recommendations you
[43:08] had similar to miss Patrick what do we
[43:11] need to do as a council president
[43:12] Quarterfield or Mr Mayor it's an
[43:15] expedite getting quotes for those
[43:17] because truly I think if you're
[43:19] listening to members this one
[43:21] portion of our community highlighting
[43:23] that this is an issue but also for Point
[43:26] Clarity you're not suggesting not
[43:29] lowering speed limits in other areas you
[43:31] just are waiting to have that data to
[43:33] accurately understand what to yeah
[43:36] so I know so I want to be clear the
[43:40] crosswalk is already planned right right
[43:42] and already funded as well yes okay so
[43:45] for the other items we're talking about
[43:46] would we you would have to actually plan
[43:48] that and and do budget that is that
[43:52] correct or if there's anything there
[43:56] oh oh I love that
[44:01] well we can talk about others all right
[44:04] let's stay here let's stay here
[44:05] so planting trees and striping all that
[44:08] doesn't take anything no there's not
[44:09] much
[44:10] of that
[44:15] things always come up during the year
[44:18] that we want to do things like this for
[44:21] um it's just getting the contractor on
[44:23] board finding locations and the
[44:25] coordination of it myself
[44:27] now that being said one of the things
[44:29] that we did talk about was like
[44:33] more city-wide 25 mile per hour actually
[44:36] looking at it there would be a
[44:38] repercussions
[44:40] the potential need for additional
[44:43] dollars receiving between
[44:45] if that happened right and the other
[44:47] thing is when you look at what gets done
[44:49] there you say hey we love that we wanted
[44:51] 50 other places then there'll be some
[44:53] budget uh considerations right correct
[44:56] same thing with
[44:58] um you know
[44:59] doing something like all morning did
[45:01] where they would do a lot of traffic
[45:02] control devices in their own area I mean
[45:04] that was a million dollar
[45:06] a focus in an area that's a that's a
[45:08] separate animal so to speak that's not a
[45:10] small isolated project I guess all right
[45:13] so we're doing crosswalk and then you'll yeah Fred and I will look into
[45:17] that and walk forward and maybe
[45:19] we're also yeah we're going to go out we
[45:21] want we want to check some other things
[45:22] we want to see uh in the picture one of
[45:24] the things we were noticing is we really
[45:26] want to make sure psych distance is if
[45:28] there's any Shrubbery or anything in the
[45:29] right way if we could trim it to try to
[45:31] make sure all of our lines are there
[45:33] yeah we're not we're not saying that
[45:35] that's it but we just want to make sure
[45:37] that thank you it's worth getting as
[45:38] much as we can
[45:43] however if a tree is greater than four
[45:46] inches in diameter guess what it's
[45:48] called obstruction so the vehicle hits
[45:50] that
[45:51] there's it's just replication so we have
[45:53] to make sure that we pull select trees
[45:55] and we're not selecting trees that are
[45:57] going to grow and create a problem on
[45:59] another problem if you will so that's
[46:01] something we can talk about yeah and how
[46:03] soon could speak feedback signs be put
[46:05] in
[46:06] well PG has few feedback signs and I
[46:09] think they've had them up I think yeah I
[46:12] think and they did say that they were
[46:13] one of the issues is they do
[46:15] they work and then they kind of slowly
[46:18] fade as people get used to them so I can
[46:19] talk with a chief website about playing
[46:21] this from back up
[46:23] I sent both of you the video if you want
[46:27] if you could pass out to him if you want
[46:29] this actual paper just let me know and I
[46:32] also recommend uh reaching out to uh
[46:35] Jose Olivares at RPI one of the best
[46:39] civil engineers in the world we worked
[46:41] on the congestion pricing down in New
[46:43] York and Grand Central Station he might
[46:45] have some ideas too that maybe we're not
[46:47] thinking of
[46:56] three-dimensional hole I don't know
[46:59] about that
[47:00] all right any other questions
[47:06] thank you for coming thank you thank you
[47:09] John thanks Chris
[47:13] all right the um bcni proposal has been
[47:16] full from is being pulled from the
[47:18] agenda yes sir
[47:22] I'd like to call to order City
[47:24] development and planning and we will
[47:26] start with the follow-up on the Arca
[47:28] contract with Carter
[47:41] thank you
[47:45] um I am giving an update on our funded
[47:48] arfa applications and currently we have
[47:51] six sub-recipients that are pending
[47:54] pre-cons pre-contractual
[47:58] um agreements required documents that
[48:00] need submission right now pre-market has
[48:03] met all of those requirements and that
[48:05] is pending submission for corporate
[48:08] Council review we have the Habitat for
[48:10] Humanity they are still currently
[48:12] missing majority of their documents
[48:14] we've only received the application a
[48:16] budget and two projects project
[48:18] abstracts
[48:20] um have reached out to Habitat so we are
[48:22] currently are working or retrieving the
[48:24] additional documents we have Hamilton
[48:26] Hill Arts Center they are 99 ready to go
[48:29] they are just missing their most recent
[48:31] audit and proof of the insurance
[48:33] coverage
[48:35] um the Boys and Girls Club is missing
[48:37] most of their documents we have only
[48:39] received the application the site plan
[48:41] and the budget and then we have the seat
[48:45] Center they are you know they're almost
[48:47] there they're just missing their
[48:49] conflict of interest policy drug free
[48:52] workplace policy anti-discrimination
[48:54] policy whistleblower and promising
[48:57] um sustainable plan post art book so
[48:59] contact has been made
[49:01] um and we are actively working to get
[49:03] the remainder of the documents and in
[49:04] the coming weeks
[49:06] thank you all right so all the other
[49:09] ones that you're not talking about
[49:10] tonight are already they have everything
[49:12] they need yes I will um Madam president
[49:15] go back and check these are the ones
[49:17] that were given to me by Anthony to do
[49:19] active follow-up but I will go back to
[49:21] the Cross RTS and um dot our eyes okay
[49:23] and I know that bcni is not coming back
[49:26] so we'll talk in the future uh about
[49:29] what's going to happen with that yes
[49:31] there are any questions about any
[49:33] particular projects anyone
[49:36] thank you all right thank you thank you
[49:40] I know that everyone did get a follow-up
[49:43] got follow-up information from the
[49:46] electricity Co-op I think that probably
[49:48] came today
[49:50] um and we also um the YWCA as well
[49:54] and
[49:56] um they both
[49:58] well they both said they um Wanted
[50:00] extensions and additionally we were
[50:02] talking about additional funding but we
[50:04] would have to review those documents and
[50:06] then discuss what the additional funding
[50:08] could possibly look like but that that
[50:09] discussion would not happen tonight but
[50:12] I'd ask that you would review
[50:14] um so we can we can have that discussion
[50:17] on the next Maybe
[50:20] hey
[50:22] um Mr Wong call for public hearing
[50:30] so this is a call for problems here in
[50:32] the state to modify J Street between
[50:35] Liberty Street and Union Street from a
[50:38] one-way Street to a two-way street this
[50:41] is part of the city's plan to better
[50:45] connect downtown to Little Italy and
[50:48] Mohawk Harbor it's tied in with the dri
[50:51] project which we are starting design
[50:53] with this year we're working with our
[50:56] consultant as we speak on scope and fee
[50:58] Department of State have signed off so
[51:01] far there's another partner that we're
[51:03] working on so this is his first stage
[51:05] why we were waiting is the psap project
[51:07] which has been going on you've noticed
[51:09] the signals have been sitting dormant
[51:10] for quite some time as we wait for
[51:12] components the components are in John
[51:15] has the signals working as of yesterday
[51:18] four of the five are working they are
[51:20] now coordinated they
[51:22] um
[51:22] PSAT program which was State safety
[51:25] funding was able to replace
[51:27] five outdated signals with new hardware
[51:30] new units John has them all hooked up to
[51:33] fiber they're coordinating with each
[51:35] other so it's really a great thing for
[51:37] the downtown and what we're ready to do
[51:40] is call for public hearing and do this
[51:42] and then when it is done we will strike
[51:45] the road and open it up two-way for the
[51:48] one block and in anticipation in the
[51:50] future you'll be able to drive from this
[51:52] location straight to notch Street
[52:01] any questions
[52:03] [Music]
[52:07] I think there's gonna be parking on one
[52:09] side I think parking on the post office
[52:11] side the only real modifications I do
[52:14] have to work with the post office this
[52:15] is a tricky thing I'm gonna have to
[52:16] reach out to them but it's it's
[52:18] difficult to say this is what it is it
[52:20] technically has not passed yet but uh
[52:23] they have a mailbox I'm sure you're well
[52:25] aware of it that you would drive up to
[52:26] and now we'll be on the other side of
[52:28] the street so they'd have to remove that
[52:30] drive up mailbox that's really the only
[52:32] big change and I'm sure a lot of people
[52:33] such as myself are used to that mailbox
[52:37] absolutely
[52:39] any other questions
[52:41] second all in favor all right thank you
[52:44] Mr wall thank you
[52:46] okay item number three is discussion uh
[52:48] to amend resolution 2014-144
[52:51] um
[52:52] just regarding their desolate uh the
[52:55] solution of the Schenectady local
[52:57] Development Corporation we talked about
[52:59] this a couple weeks ago back in 2014 the
[53:04] there was a resolution pass resolution
[53:06] 2014 144.
[53:08] and it's the sldc which was a
[53:11] organization that did small loans to did
[53:14] loans to small businesses dissolved and
[53:18] when it dissolved there was a resolution
[53:19] pass that
[53:21] um gave the responsibility of taking
[53:24] care of the outstanding loans and
[53:25] mortgages to the city council
[53:28] but
[53:29] and then the mayor would you know sign
[53:31] any documents but the city council does
[53:33] not have that's an administrative
[53:34] function the city council does not have
[53:36] administrative abilities so at this
[53:39] point in time I'm bringing forward that
[53:40] we amend that resolution to that we um
[53:44] actually turn those those duties over to
[53:46] the city because there are some
[53:48] outstanding loans and mortgages that we
[53:50] could collect on
[53:53] any questions
[53:58] so if there are no questions and the
[54:01] information's in your packet then
[54:03] doesn't say the motion that we have to
[54:04] do that
[54:06] all's a favor okay thank you
[54:11] four is a ceremonial Resolution For
[54:13] Suicide Prevention month
[54:15] September Suicide Prevention month and
[54:17] uh I'd like to come in to recognize to
[54:20] you know keep that awareness and have
[54:22] invited uh Police Department fire
[54:24] department also a local organization
[54:32] uh item number five uh resolution
[54:35] recognized in September 15th to October
[54:37] 15th is it's been Heritage Month Mr
[54:40] Williams thank you so between the days
[54:43] of September 15th and October 15th I'll
[54:45] go around Hispanic uh definitely taking
[54:48] the time to appreciate the contributions
[54:49] that this community has made not only to
[54:51] our countries more specifically to our
[54:53] community I think is important
[55:02] the next item on our agenda is to
[55:04] discuss the Zoning for cannabis
[55:06] dispensaries
[55:07] vape shop we have been talking about
[55:10] this and
[55:11] um
[55:12] the other left command meaning asked all
[55:15] council members to students go to the
[55:17] law office and have a discussion in
[55:19] terms of what
[55:21] how we would want to see this
[55:24] um zoning within the city so I know some
[55:26] council members were able to make it and
[55:28] others weren't however at this point in
[55:30] time the law department is ready to
[55:32] provide us some information about their
[55:34] recommendation sure and I know certain
[55:37] Council people have reached like reached
[55:39] out and were not able to connect with a
[55:42] law department and obviously we're still
[55:44] around to answer any questions you have
[55:47] and talk about recommendations that we
[55:50] have
[55:51] um I think the general consensus from
[55:54] the folks that and I know some of you
[55:56] met with Deputy Court Council Marnie to
[55:59] discuss zoning
[56:02] um and and recommendations
[56:06] I think generally
[56:09] um and I don't want to mischaracterize
[56:12] um from the people I've spoken with
[56:15] um seems as if most people agree that an
[56:19] overlay is best suited for the purposes
[56:22] of
[56:24] um
[56:25] Zoning for these types of businesses I
[56:28] know
[56:29] um
[56:30] at least one person has said that
[56:32] they're like this these types of
[56:34] businesses to be located in
[56:36] um one or two different types of uh
[56:39] current zoning districts rather than
[56:41] doing an overlay
[56:43] um
[56:44] the recommendation from the law
[56:45] department has been you know an overlay
[56:49] makes sense
[56:50] um you know to a degree
[56:52] part of it will be identifying those
[56:55] Parcels
[56:57] that we would want to be part of the
[57:00] overlay
[57:01] and we can certainly provide a list of
[57:04] those Parcels that will take some time I
[57:07] think we were approaching it from
[57:09] General business districts across the
[57:11] city and avoiding trying to avoid those
[57:15] areas that are residential or
[57:19] um maybe more sensitive to having those
[57:23] types of businesses in the area for
[57:25] example on State Street
[57:28] near I think it's new choices
[57:31] maybe not having a dispensary or
[57:34] allowing a dispensary in that area
[57:36] um again you know it's going to be
[57:39] obviously subject to whatever the
[57:40] council wants to do at the end of the
[57:42] day another recommendation related to
[57:44] this was requiring special use permits
[57:47] for these types of businesses to create
[57:50] yet another layer of approvals for the
[57:54] purposes of not just the type of
[57:58] business which you know we wouldn't be
[58:00] you know saying no to but making sure
[58:03] that
[58:04] um the the I think the appearance of the
[58:07] business and that there's full
[58:10] consideration of I think all the aspects
[58:12] of that business moving into that area
[58:15] um one thing Mr Marnie I think discussed
[58:19] with some of you had to do with we have
[58:21] certain businesses that are going to be
[58:22] pre-existing non-conforming which means
[58:25] they're going to be allowed to exist
[58:28] even though they're going to be outside
[58:30] of this overlay that's an unavoidable
[58:33] consequence of the zoning
[58:35] um
[58:36] but essentially providing them with or
[58:39] creating a schedule in which they will
[58:41] have to slowly change
[58:44] um their appearance to make it conform
[58:47] with whatever the district may require
[58:51] that they're currently in
[58:53] um so that's you know
[58:55] some work that we have to do on our end
[58:57] to figure that out
[58:59] obviously what I think Mr Marney and I
[59:02] had initially recommended was
[59:03] determining where
[59:05] you know if you're going to do an
[59:07] overlay where are you looking to the
[59:10] overlay so obviously we still want to
[59:12] input on that we can certainly provide
[59:14] you with our two cents on that and then
[59:17] from that then figuring out what are the
[59:19] next steps in terms of the requirements
[59:21] for that District
[59:24] I know some of you haven't had an
[59:25] opportunity to come speak with us and we
[59:27] obviously welcome that and anybody who
[59:29] has follow-up we obviously would like
[59:31] that this is not an easy process it will
[59:34] take time and to be frank you know not
[59:37] everybody's going to be you know
[59:39] generally happy they're not you're not
[59:41] going to get everything on your wish
[59:42] list here but we're going to do our best
[59:43] to accommodate
[59:45] um you know as much of the the wants and
[59:47] needs of the council to make this work
[59:49] for you all and obviously work for the
[59:51] people of the city
[59:56] so um further network with the next
[59:58] steps will bring us that information
[59:59] right so the next steps we will do our
[1:00:02] best
[1:00:02] um to come out with um you know from the
[1:00:05] input that you've already given us
[1:00:07] um those uh Parcels
[1:00:09] um that we would see as being part of
[1:00:11] the overlay
[1:00:13] um and then based on that
[1:00:16] um other recommendations related to what
[1:00:18] that overlay would require as we said um
[1:00:20] you know we're looking at a special use
[1:00:22] permit I think generally I haven't heard
[1:00:25] any opposition to that from talking to
[1:00:28] the council people uh just in in
[1:00:30] conversation
[1:00:32] um but you know as we propose something
[1:00:34] I'm sure there'll be questions and other
[1:00:37] issues that may come up as we further
[1:00:41] discuss this
[1:00:44] foreign
[1:00:48] next meeting you will so I I can't
[1:00:52] guarantee that the next meeting we're
[1:00:53] going to have a list of all the parcels
[1:00:55] because you know there's going to be a
[1:00:56] number of pulsive Parcels we're going to
[1:00:57] have to identify okay
[1:00:59] um you know and obviously this is in
[1:01:01] consultation with you know
[1:01:04] um people in the development department
[1:01:05] who I think have more insight on
[1:01:08] um you know those uses like the Law
[1:01:10] Department doesn't know every business
[1:01:12] within the city within every Corridor
[1:01:15] um so we're going to have to obviously
[1:01:16] lean on those folks um in the
[1:01:18] development department to provide us
[1:01:20] with their Insight we'd like to bring
[1:01:22] something back as soon as we can I'm
[1:01:24] happy to give you an update
[1:01:26] um in two weeks to let you know where we
[1:01:28] are so we can kind of keep track of this
[1:01:30] and in the meantime I still obviously
[1:01:32] and I'm encouraging you all to come come
[1:01:34] meet with us and even if it's an email
[1:01:36] or a telephone call feel free to reach
[1:01:39] out
[1:01:41] to have the opportunity itself thank you
[1:01:45] all right so we will it's going to be a
[1:01:47] process so we're gonna we'll hear back
[1:01:48] in two weeks and so for those of you who
[1:01:51] um may not be aware at this point in
[1:01:53] time in terms of cannabis
[1:01:56] um they've allowed now all licenses so
[1:01:58] every licenses it's not just a card or the general now everyone has an
[1:02:05] opportunity and they're starting to
[1:02:06] process all licenses that was I I think
[1:02:09] they announced that last week so
[1:02:12] um we have a work cut out for us but
[1:02:14] just one I mean the licensing is going
[1:02:16] to be a process and I believe it starts
[1:02:18] October 4th
[1:02:19] it's definitely not children I think
[1:02:21] you'll be getting October I want to say
[1:02:22] around the fourth is when they're going
[1:02:24] to actually let that begin to happen so
[1:02:27] um so we you know we still have to try
[1:02:29] to get our zoning in place in a
[1:02:30] reasonable amount of time applications
[1:02:32] take a while but still we want to make
[1:02:34] sure that we have
[1:02:36] are zoning in place because the one we
[1:02:38] have now is it's uh grandfathered in and
[1:02:41] that's where it could stay there and
[1:02:42] that won't change
[1:02:44] so just to be um to be clear with the
[1:02:46] Cannabis the 1000 feet has to be a
[1:02:49] straight line on the same stream we have
[1:02:52] to we are preempted by the state
[1:02:54] regulations as it applies to cannabis
[1:02:56] um the state regulations apply on same
[1:03:01] street
[1:03:02] um for sensory calculations
[1:03:05] um as it applies to smoke shops and vape
[1:03:09] shops the council can
[1:03:13] put you know distance requirements from
[1:03:17] other smoke shops and vape shops there's
[1:03:19] no preemption on that
[1:03:22] all right any other questions
[1:03:25] Mr palomini um relating to
[1:03:29] not the zoning but the moratorium which
[1:03:31] is really
[1:03:32] um smoke shops where we thinking to move
[1:03:35] forward on that given the
[1:03:37] recommendation or lack thereof from the
[1:03:41] county today uh well that came in late
[1:03:43] in the day so it didn't make the agenda
[1:03:44] so just just
[1:03:46] absolutely understood
[1:03:49] so we will definitely bring that back
[1:03:51] after we have their
[1:03:53] recommendation because there's at least
[1:03:55] two or three shops that aren't on the
[1:03:58] list that
[1:03:59] that's without trying to operate oh I'm
[1:04:03] sure there's a number oh yeah I'm sure
[1:04:05] there's never enough and I am not sure
[1:04:08] why they think they can but I'm sure
[1:04:10] there's a number of them
[1:04:12] um
[1:04:13] okay so we'll see that back and then
[1:04:15] we'll
[1:04:16] also bring that back the recommendation
[1:04:19] from the from the
[1:04:21] County
[1:04:22] Mr bear you weren't here for the last
[1:04:25] meeting did uh in terms of I'm good okay
[1:04:28] all right so we'll have that okay
[1:04:35] all right um items 789 and 10 and 11
[1:04:40] actually
[1:04:42] um well did not pass the last council
[1:04:46] meeting so this is just a reminder that
[1:04:48] this will be back on the agenda although
[1:04:50] those five items
[1:04:52] um for this coming council meeting yeah
[1:04:53] the president yes I'm sorry my
[1:04:55] recommendation would be to have this
[1:04:56] pass out of committee since it didn't
[1:04:58] fail on a vote
[1:05:00] um
[1:05:00] let the council again consider this in
[1:05:03] committee because of because the vote
[1:05:06] failed as opposed to it having been
[1:05:09] tabled my recommendation would be Let It
[1:05:12] Be voted out of committee yet again
[1:05:14] yes okay correct so do we need to um
[1:05:18] also do that in second session again
[1:05:19] because that's what we did these uh is
[1:05:21] certainly up to the count you know I
[1:05:23] can't tell the council what it would be
[1:05:25] subject to Executive uh session at the
[1:05:28] council so choose you know chose to do
[1:05:31] um but that's a consideration of the
[1:05:33] counseling so yes it can go into an
[1:05:35] executive session as it relates to
[1:05:37] property sales and values of properties
[1:05:39] okay so we have
[1:05:41] um
[1:05:42] all the remaining items are also
[1:05:45] executive assistant so well
[1:05:46] um I would suggest you do those things
[1:05:48] that go session so in that case I would
[1:05:50] need a motion to recess
[1:05:52] it's in development plan so second all's
[1:05:55] in favor
[1:06:00] [Music]
[1:06:02] on the far side there was a reminder for
[1:06:04] public hearing on the 2022 Consolidated
[1:06:08] annual performance and evaluation report
[1:06:10] the public Airline will be held on the
[1:06:14] 25th of September
[1:06:20] this next item we will have to vote on
[1:06:22] it I would do that again yes so the next
[1:06:24] item is a reminder is a resolution
[1:06:25] amending resolution
[1:06:28] 2022-224 to modify the time period for
[1:06:31] the electric city food Cooperative in
[1:06:33] Inc so secure require Financial
[1:06:36] commitment
[1:06:38] already any discussion on this
[1:06:44] second
[1:06:45] I'm gonna second it all in favor all
[1:06:48] right the next item in resolution
[1:06:50] amending resolution
[1:06:52] 2022-224 to modify the time period for
[1:06:56] young women's Christian Association
[1:06:59] the secure require Financial commitment
[1:07:02] any discussion on this
[1:07:05] second I'm gonna second it all in favor
[1:07:08] I the next item a resolution amending
[1:07:11] resolution
[1:07:14] 2023-029 to modify the time period for
[1:07:17] Miracle On Crack 3 to secure require
[1:07:19] Financial commitment any discussion
[1:07:22] may have a motion second I'm gonna
[1:07:25] second it all in favor
[1:07:28] aye the next item a resolution amending
[1:07:30] resolution
[1:07:32] 2022-224 to 25 the use of fun for
[1:07:37] Schenectady Community Action Program
[1:07:39] any discussion
[1:07:41] we have a motion so second I'm gonna
[1:07:44] second it all in favor all right thank
[1:07:47] you any other businesses for finance
[1:07:51] all in favor all right thank you
[1:07:55] I'd like to recommend a City development
[1:07:57] planning and I'm sorry before we go into
[1:07:59] executive session there is one item I
[1:08:01] did wanted to ask if we could answer the
[1:08:02] agenda uh they're doing honor event on
[1:08:05] the 30th did get an email and it did not
[1:08:08] make the agenda but I would like to
[1:08:10] entertain us being able to do
[1:08:11] resolutions for the two
[1:08:14] gentlemen who are being honored at that
[1:08:17] uh
[1:08:18] so I would need a motion tools second
[1:08:21] all's in favor all right thank you this
[1:08:24] time I need some motion to go in the
[1:08:25] executive session
[1:08:29] [Music]
[1:08:31] um