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As we come together from municipal council, I encourage all of us here and those listening from home to think about the lands you are on tonight. Here, we have come together on the traditional lands of the Anishinaabe peoples, also known as the Three Fires Confederacy of First Nations, comprised of the Ojibwe, theodawa, and the Potawatomi. I also want to acknowledge the Lenny Land Lunapay,

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People's known to many of us as the peoples of Delaware First Nations.

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Because you're on territory known to many of us as Wapu Island First Nations.

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And the many urban and indigenous peoples who also share in the carrying of the land we call Chatham Kent.

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Acknowledging the land we reside on honors the relationship between the land and

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the people living and thriving here long before settlers arrived.

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It offers an opportunity to pay respect to ancestral and traditional territories, to be mindful

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of our collective role as stewards of the land, and to build awareness of present-day

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Indigenous culture in our community.

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Canada has declared September 30th as the National Day for Truth and Reconciliation.

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This date is meant to acknowledge the history of residential schools, and to honor the victims

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and survivors of residential schools, as well as their families and communities.

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September 30th is also known across the country as Orn shirt day.

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This day of remembering was started by Phyllis Webstad, a residential school survivor from British Columbia.

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In 1973, Phyllis' grandmother bought her a brand new Orn shirt for her first day of school.

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When six-year-old Phyllis arrived at the residential school wearing her new orange shirt, it was immediately stripped from her.

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As Phyllis recounts, when I got to the mission, they stripped me and took away my clothes, including the orange shirt.

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I never wore it again. I didn't understand why they wouldn't give it back to me. It was mine.

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The color orange has always reminded me of that day and how my feelings didn't matter.

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How no one cared and how I felt like I was worth nothing.

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All of us little children were crying and no one cared.

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Since 2013, Orange Shirt Day has observed annually in Canada.

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Inspired by Phyllis's story, Orange Shirts are worn to call awareness to the harmful legacies of residential schools

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and to affirm that every child matters.

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As we go about our decisions and learnings tonight,

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let us be mindful that as municipal council,

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municipal staff, and as a community,

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we have a collective responsibility to take care of each other

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and to take care of this land we all call home.

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Thank you.

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Mr. Mayor, there is not an additional

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supplementary agenda this evening

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and rules for the council chambers.

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Rules of decorum at the council meetings, the municipality of Chatham Kent supports open

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meetings that welcome debate of public policy issues in an atmosphere of inclusiveness,

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integrity, civility, fairness, and respect for differing points of view.

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Anyone conducting themselves in a way that disturbs, disrupts, or impedes the orderly conduct

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of the meeting, interrupts, or make derogatory statements or hate speech, defamatory comments

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about councillors, staff, speakers, or fellow members of the public may result in removal

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from the premise. The use of posters, signage, and literature is also prohibited. Mr. Mayor,

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I have not heard of any precreinary interest. I'll ask council now, are there any conflict

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of interest for the agenda this evening?

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Seeing none, we'll move on to the next item.

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Yes, we'll move on to recognition, and with that I'll call on Councillor Bimograger

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to recognize an individual in here that's just starting with us.

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Thank you, Mayor Canneff, and it's with great pleasure on behalf of the Board of Health

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and Chinatown Council that I welcome our new medical officer of health to counsel today.

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Dr. Nessa Thairu, or Shankar as we sometimes call him, has been working now with the public health unit for some time.

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We're very excited in his recruitment and the work that he plans to do in the community.

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He comes to us with a wealth of education and experience, received his doctor of medicine from McMaster University and his Master of Public Health from the Harvard School of Public Health.

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He served as the medical officer of health for Haldeman Norfolk, health unit from 2018 to 2021.

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and most recently as the acting medical officer of health for our neighbors in Windsor Essex County.

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In addition to training in public health, he's a specialist in physical medicine and rehabilitation.

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So if Council would join me in welcoming our new medical officer of health and we'll have you come forward to say a few words.

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So Board of Health Chair Mr. McGregor, thank you for that introduction.

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Mr. Mayor, members of Council, members of the community, my colleagues,

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at the municipality. Thank you for the warm welcome, and I know time is precious, so I

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only will speak very briefly today.

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I think the goal of everybody who works in public

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service is to try to improve the life of their fellow community members. And those of us

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who work in the realm of public health, our goal is for people to have the best possible

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health, the chance to live their life to the fullest, without limitation and without boundaries.

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And if I could share my own personal opinion, a health is more than the absence of illness.

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It's more than the absence of physician-defined sickness.

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I was talking to the epidemiologist for the public health unit today.

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She's a wonderful resource.

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And we talked about a few things that affect the province and the public health realm and how

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that might affect Chatham Camp. In the last year, 2,500 people died of opioid overdose,

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2,500 people taken away from their families, too early. To put that in perspective,

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there were 600 people who died in car crashes last year. So there are many times more people

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dying of opioid overdoses than there are in car crashes. And the epidemiologist shared with me what's

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going on in Chatham Kent, and there are 40 people who died in the last year, about 40

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people who died of opioid-related deaths.

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So it's pretty clear to me, and I think it's pretty clear to all of us that the opioid

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crisis, and I used that word cautiously, is a significant challenge to our community.

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The crisis affects everybody, every walk of life, men and women, black and white, city

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and people in the countryside, the off-line of the poor.

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And when I was coming here today, I was thinking,

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well, what can we do to actually make a difference?

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There are very few times in life that you can actually save a life.

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And this is an opportunity today.

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I brought these in a lock zone kits for you,

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and I hope that you'll open them up.

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And the kits have a couple of things.

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First of all, they have some instructions.

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But if you can drive a car, you can help someone suffering from an opioid overdose.

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Pretty straightforward instructions.

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And this is an arcane spray device.

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And if you think someone is overdosing, all you have to do is give a pop.

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It's all it is.

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And having a kit and learning how to use the spray can potentially save a life.

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If there are a couple of things I would also like to share about this.

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One is that half of all people dying of opioid overdoses die at home.

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They die with somebody available to intervene.

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People aren't all only dying in the park or on the streets.

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People are dying at home.

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And I know that personally, that people are dying at home.

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Secondly, taking a kid home with you today, and I hope that all of you who have been given

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a kid will take one home and I have some additional kids from the public health service

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for anyone who wants one.

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Taking the kid home is not an endorsement of the underlying conduct or activity.

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I have one in my house, so my oldest daughter lives with me and I have one in my house and

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I hope that one will consider having these kids at their house.

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I look forward to working with all of you and the 100 people or so who work for the public

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health service to advance the health of the community.

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I hope it will continue to have meaningful dialogue as time goes on and I'm happy to answer

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any questions privately. So thank you so much.

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Thank you for that. With that as well,

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there's five esteemed ladies in here tonight that I'd like to recognize as well. So if you would

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like to give you the work where you're in the front, then our microphone's not working.

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going to stay from here and talk with them. We'll come up afterwards. Councilor Anderson will

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be joining us as well for this. So, at the bottom of the tier, Amelia DePuille,

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Sandra Ramilear, Linda Henderson and Miriam Ivesson. Can you please work your way up here?

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We'd love to recognize you.

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Just write it on the front here and follow Councillor Anderson.

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She'll take you where you need to go.

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Here. Don't be shy.

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We have a lot of amazing people here in Chatham County doing a lot of great things.

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There's a lot of passion of people here. And I just want to celebrate some of the passion that these

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that ladies have within Chatham Kent.

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And so the Ontario Horticultural Association

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recognized the following members from Chatham Kent

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during the recent OHA convention in Ottawa.

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The Automateer from the Wheatley-Corticultural Society

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received the award of American recognition

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of her work in planning and supervising

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the installation of the Wheatley-Arborium and Learning Trail.

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Amelia DePri from the Hittobri-Horticultural Society

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received the honor role in recognition for dedication

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of the Tilbury Horticultural Society, as treasure for many years in contact for the Memorial

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Tree Planning Service at Northside Park, as well as other special projects over the years.

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Sandra M. Lear from the Tilbury Horticultural Society received the award of merit in recognition

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of a long time work in organizing floral design and photography competitions at the local

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district and provincial levels, as well as being President and District Director for District

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in 2011.

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Linda Henderson, from the Tilbury Horticulture Society,

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received the Trillium Award in recognition

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of long-term, outstanding service in the areas

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of grant applications, designing florals and displays

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for Tilbury, supervising very special

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horticulture projects in town, as well as

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the role of society secretary.

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Mary Mivason, from the Tilbury Horticulture Society,

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received the Silver Medal Award in recognition

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of long-term service in areas of beautification

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and conservation in the Tilbury area, and especially at North Side Park.

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So thank you so much for making Chatham Kent a much more beautiful place.

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It's going to take, I'll run over there real fast.

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Mr. Mayor, we'll move on to the deputations now. We've received several today, just to let council know in the email that was sent earlier. We have eight individuals, Chandra Clarke, Lana DeLine, Rock DeLuck, Phil L'Anwarz, Ontario Woodland, Woodlot Association, Southwest Woodlot Association, Cherian Wills, and David Walker, also meted emails that were sent to council earlier today. Mr. Mayor, we'll start with the one that is on the Zoom call.

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All this evening, and Alan, are you there?

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Yes, hello.

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Perfect.

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Thank you, please.

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I'll start with your deputation and you do have five minutes and the timer is on our screen.

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Great.

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Okay, thank you, Mayor and Council, for allowing me to digitally present this deputation.

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It's no secret that they're not making any more land.

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Nor that planting trees is a suitable replacement for forests.

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We all know that suburban sprawl consumes land, and we all know that Chatham Kent has taught

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not agriculture potential, as well as very limited amount of forest cover remaining.

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Anyone who looks around can see that industrial agriculture is the primary land use pressure,

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but at what point is enough enough?

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Three, two, one percent, none forced covered?

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Some of us can see the difference

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between model culture and cash crops and force.

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Some of us can even see the difference

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between an apartment dwelling bonsai tree

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and a red maple on a roadside boulevard

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and a forest, not all trees are equal.

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However, what we all can't see or seem to agree on is the legitimate local land use planning.

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So consider that when we look at East Kent's Ward 3, which had arguably the most force

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of the remaining in Chatton Kent.

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So on that end, I would like to thank Councillor Pinsono for pushing for action regarding the

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potential protection of what is left in Chatton County.

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And although we should recognize that there's a desire

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to go back expressed by some to regress

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to the clear-cutting that was demonstrated under a weak

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strategy, we also must consider that the agriculture community

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didn't cry into a halt because they're not

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allowed to clear-cut our force.

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So the argument that the red tape limbo has really hindered

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of agriculture is malarguing in my consideration.

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An inability to clear that hasn't stopped

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for Chad and Ken from maximizing

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his wonderful agricultural land.

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So again, thank you Counsel Kentsenow

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for highlighting the need for local governments

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to regulate the highest pressure on land use,

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which is agriculture.

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The question before council, the local government structure

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is what are your roles and responsibilities

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and what are you legally lawfully and willing and able to do?

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Are you willing to go back to a broken system with the illusion of self-regulation?

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The business as usual strategy that allows many more acres to be clear-cut?

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With that strategy, there's going to be even less and less residuals remaining.

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Or, are you willing and able to implement legal protections for the meter 3% or so

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So, before you again, Chatham Kent Council is an opportunity to demonstrate an appropriate

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level of local governments.

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So please choose wisely and your legacy awaits us.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Chatham.

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We'll now move on to those in the room.

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I should have also mentioned that all deputations this evening are with regards to items 16G and

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and those are both the motions of Councillor Pinto and Councillor Hall.

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We will start with Blake Ashton on deck is Ken Bell and I'll remind all speakers that

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there is a maximum of five minutes and it will be on the screen and we do have approximately

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15 to get through this evening. Welcome, Blake.

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Good evening, Mayor Cannes and Councillors. I'm speaking to you today with regards to the

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removal of the temporary treatment and the reinstatement of the natural heritage strategy.

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My name is Blake Ashton and my wife and I farm in orphaned township.

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We operate a corn and soybean farming operation with my family and we are the fifth generation

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on this farm.

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Today our farm consists of 60% cultivated lands and the balance of the 40% is deciduous

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forest that is zone to agriculture.

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As stated, forest and lands are a significant part of our farming operation and are vital to

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the sustainability of our business from both an economic and environmental standpoint.

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The temporary by-law which has been in place for now over two years has and will continue

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to have a direct negative impact on the equity and earning potential of our farming operation.

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This by-law will further impact the potential for our farm to be able to grow in a highly

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competitive environment.

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As a farmer, my priority is the sustainability of both my business, of my business, for both my family and future generations.

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Protection of our natural resources and the environment are the primary factor impacting the future sustainability of this business, and thus are the primary consideration in all of our management decisions.

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The temporary bylaw in its current state suggests, however, that we do not have the capacity

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to make these decisions on our farming operation in the best interest of the natural resource

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that relies on most, the land.

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This could not be further from the truth, however, as my family is the one that has the most

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to lose if we do not protect the environment that our business relies on to generate its

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income.

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As an industry, we have made tremendous progress over the past 20 years to implement environmentally

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sustainable farming practices. Much of this has been done without government intervention

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and support, because it has been in the best interest of both our businesses and the environment.

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Farmers have and will continue to be the primary stewards of our agricultural lands,

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including majority of the forested lands in this community. We must continue to trust

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that they will make the right management decisions that will support the sustainability

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of the environment and in turn their business operations.

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The current temporary by-law has put an inequitable weight on our agriculture industry

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to combat climate change through the preservation of our forested lands, while other industries

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that could pose a much more significant threat to these forested lands have been allowed to

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carry on normal business practices.

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To this end, I am requesting that our Council support one of the largest and most committed

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industries to this community by eliminating the temporary tree cutting by law.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Next speaker is Ken Bell on deck is Don Cipris.

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Thank you, Chair Mayor and Councillors.

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I sat on the natural heritage implementation strategic committee from its inception to its

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completion.

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along with some of the people here and members of the KFA at the lower terms conservation authority offices.

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That committee was supposed to intervene in instances of deforestation by offering options to property owners.

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There were other measures that were included in that strategy that had nothing to do with preserving Carolinian forests.

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Those other measures provided some extra funding for the conservation authority who had,

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I have to say an economic incentive to promote tree planting and cultural change, both good

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things, but as an alternative to actually protecting our forests.

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Fence rows, conifer plantations are not forests.

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Temporary flower fields are nice, but they're not forest either.

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In conservation areas, parking or provincial parks and first nations reserves are not within

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this council's jurisdiction.

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So we can't allow ourselves to lose focus on broadleaf Carolinian forests that are actually

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within Chatham Kent's planning jurisdiction.

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So I can say unequivocally that the strategy was totally ineffective to prevent deforestation

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in Chatham Kent.

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Several instances of that deforestation continued during the period of strategy, and nothing

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was done to effectively circumvent or even slow down its continuation.

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In fact, early in 2016, a provincially significant forest wetland was destroyed along the

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Column drain across from Rondo Bay estates.

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That forest wetland was within the regulated jurisdiction of the lower-terms conservation

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authority and should have had the highest level of protection.

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The committee and authority were made aware and were totally unable to do anything after

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to the fact. In fact, we were told by then director Don Pearson that the conservation

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authority didn't have the resources to pursue a court case. So lack of enforcement creates

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a climate of impunity. This information was presented and discussed during a series

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of natural heritage strategy meetings. All of this can be corroborated by other members

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of the NHIS committee. The reason I and other sat on this committee, aside from a good faith

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and a hope that we may actually be able to do something to save some woodlands, was

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to ensure that the same kind of backroom deals that led to the formation of the NHIS did

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not continue to misrepresent the public interest. It was a sad state of affairs and clearly

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demonstrated that the only protections the remaining forests have are legal protections

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just like in other municipalities. The remaining 3.5% forest cover has been granted

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a temporary reprieve thanks to a temporary by-law. The majority of voters in Chatham Kent

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want forest protected through an open and transparent and publicly inclusive process. We need forests

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and fields with no backroom deals.

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Thank you for your consideration.

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Next is Don Sipres, on deck is Karen Dizzars.

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Mr. Mayor and members of Chatham Kent Council, my name is Don Siperas.

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I farm near the Chatham Kent, Elgin Border, farm in Rodney.

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I am the past president of the National Farmers Union of Ontario

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and a member of the Ontario Woodlaught Association.

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I value the benefits provided by Woodlaughts on my farms

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and encourage all others to discover that very same beauty.

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I'm here speaking to request that Chanem Kent Council

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implement the tree by law that prohibits the clear cutting of woodlaughts,

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woodlands and parts of woodlots, woodlands within the municipality.

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The county's natural heritage implementation strategy has not stopped woodlot woodland

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destruction and further steps are needed.

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Chatham Ken council has made it known that environmental sustainability is a key component

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of its vision statement.

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At the September 20th, 23 meeting of the Great Lakes Eco-Region Network, a lady Jane

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Elder from New York State spoke on climate change inhabitant and biodiversity loss, being

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two of the three ecological threats to the Great Lakes.

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She mentioned that average temperatures are up 2.4 degrees Fahrenheit in the basin, in the

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Great Lakes basin.

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This affects ecological health and vitality, the reason why many of us are here tonight.

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She goes on to state that landscape integrity is a problem, including connectivity and corridors

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for wildlife, migration, genetic, diversity, food sources, and etc.

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She mentioned further at this meeting last week that the Biden administration in the

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U.S. has passed a 30 by 30 regulation for land use that mandates 30% natural areas protected

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by 2030.

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As Canadians, as residents of Chatham, we need to be at the forefront of environmental

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protection by addressing ecological threats in the basin that eventually present themselves

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in the lakes.

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I would ask that Council review before their deliberations.

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The NFUO, the Ontario Wood Law Association, the Ecological Farmers Association of Ontario Submission of August 17th, 2021, that pertains to the temporary clear-cutting by-law 7-2-2021. Nothing has changed in that situation, everything still remains the same. The natural heritage strategy will not address the issues emanating from the law.

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Land use practices in Chatham can that will affect the Great Lakes Basin and eventually the Great Lakes.

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Future Chatham can't residents deserve a future.

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The tree cutting bylaw needs to be designated as a vital component of the natural heritage implementation strategy.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Next speaker is Karen Disarras, followed by Earl Johnson.

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Good

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evening.

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It's my intention to address the idea that there haven't been enough consultation studies,

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open houses, workshops, or public input.

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First, one cannot adequately describe all the input and study that has gone into this by law in a five minute deputation.

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Second, I feel this whole exercise has got an up to the minute redundancy.

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1851. Forrests accounted for 80% of the Kent landscape. 1850s, 10% of Kent County was

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land was forest. Note, today's C.K.S. forest covers around 3%. In a 2002 Chatham Dilleyne's

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article, Councillor Brian King remains opposed to a tree cutting bylaw. Ralph Pagliis quote,

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in the old days when you brought that up, as soon as the words were out of your mouth, you

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No bulldozers have replaced chainsaws.

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June 2003, a Chatham Dillon news article, Chatham Chatham wants to increase forest cover and

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presents a forest management plan.

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And then they held forest management public meetings.

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2010, the possible demise of PACS since Bush was hot news.

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2013, a petition was submitted to council entitled a petition to pass a wood law preservation

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violation by law, and it contained 5,000 signatures, including 518 farm woodlot owners.

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In 2013, over 40 deputations were presented.

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In 2013, CK contracted the services of Brian Boyle and Associates.

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Mr. Boyle and IAF certified professional, facilitated seven highly interactive workshops designed to receive and

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discuss input and develop an action plan related to sustainable forest cover.

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2013, a background research document was generated by Dr. Wayne Codwell, P-H-D, R-P-P-M-C-I-P,

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Director and Professor, School of Environmental Design University of Guelph.

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2013, there were three public open houses held in Dwallisburg, Chattam, Richtown, which

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generated 160 written comments, sheets and additional 50 received by email.

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Now, also 2013 report generated entitled Shadow Count Trees, Forests, and Woodlots, or

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a view of the literature, 2013 report February, a by-law was written, but council opted

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for a strategy instead.

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And then in 2013, they developed the Sustainability Review Committee, Ken talked about.

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2013, the St. Clair region gave the municipality a report card, and

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notes that reforestation efforts are needed to increase the extent and size of woodlands

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and that repairing and buffers are needed on all waterways, especially municipal drains.

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2014, the document entitled Chetel Cantonatural Heritage Strategy came out.

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And on the opening pages, just one quote and it reads, a thing is right when it tends to

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preserve the integrity, stability, and beauty of a biotic community is as wrong when it

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10s otherwise, that's Eldo Leopold.

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2021, news for the Miss Pellet held a mass mail-out of 6,000 stakeholders and in 2021, you approved the temporary by-law.

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2021, there were other reports such as the mapping project of forest cover and natural heritage prepared by the lower towns.

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In 2022, the Kent Federation of Agriculture presented a petition asking for further consultation.

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Okay, I'm going to go because I'm going to run out of time.

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So I'm going to go to today, September 2023, Chatham Kent has the lowest forest cover in

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the province.

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And finally, I'd like to share an excerpt from a report entitled Sustainable Forest Cover

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in Chatham Kent, written in 2013.

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It reads, the current study compiled by Chatham Kent

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to support a tree by law illustrates the harmful health

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impacts of deforestation contained in the lower 10

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conservation authorities founding study.

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It detailed how Chatham Kent had the highest rates

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of hospitalization due to cardiovascular disease,

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stroke, and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease

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in the province, and it has the highest death rate for preventable cardiovascular disease.

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Chatham Kent was found to have the lowest rate of leisure activity and the highest rate

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of overweight and obesity in southwestern Ontario. The lack of shade causes recreational

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trails to be unused. Chatham has been found to be 10 degrees Celsius, hotter than Windsor,

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and rural areas have been found to be warmer than well-forced in parts of southwestern

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Ontario. The hottest school yards in southwestern Ontario have been found in Kent County because

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of the lack of forest cover. I'm sorry that's time now. Council has received your

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deputation though. Trees are good. Thank you. Next speaker is Earl Johnson on deck is Sally Joyce.

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Mayor and fellow Councillors, on behalf of the student to be announced for a stewardship

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pilot program for Chatham Kent, I would ask you to keep the tree cutting moratorium

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in place until this program, which will involve the entire community of Chatham Kent as an

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opportunity to bring forward viable and acceptable alternatives to a strictly regulatory solution to this long-standing issue.

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Our initial group of involved citizens is now upwards of 50 community leaders, resource professionals, and private land owners.

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And I can assure you, this number will grow, especially as the CK Climate Action Plan is

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developed and brought forward.

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I might add that our apparent group realm, which some of you might have heard of before,

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which is called the Regenerative Agricultural Land Use Management Farm Group of Chatham Kent,

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is using this program as a preview to a larger environmental stewardship thrust for all of Chatham Kent.

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As a former member of the Natural Heritage Implementation Committee, I can also tell you the same as some others have said tonight,

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NISA did nothing to protect forest cover and CK. In fact, this strategy never included a

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mandate to this effect. And a suggestion to the contrary and gentlemen and ladies and

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gentlemen, you are being misled.

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Let's be frank, the best resolution to this issue is not

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a consequence of simply accepting this motion and letting a few land owners to once again

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begin forest clearing and destruction.

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And sadly, behind the scenes it has been said by many, this is not an issue of property

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rights, this is an issue strictly of greed.

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If we are really honest, the resolution is yet to be found, but somehow, we must and

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we'll do it.

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I welcome any questions and what I've said if you want to contact me later.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you, Mr. Johnson.

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Next is Sally Joyce on deck is Rob Kerr.

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Mayor and council, thank you for this opportunity.

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I'm going to take it a little bit to the personal.

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I am a concerned citizen, and I am an environmental scientist.

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I must breathe clean air to survive.

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I must drink clean water to survive.

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I must eat nutritious food to survive.

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I enjoy experiencing good mental and emotional health.

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I enjoy experiencing good physical health.

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and I enjoy experiencing good spiritual health.

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All of these ways of living are becoming harder

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and harder to do as the local numbers of mature trees

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continue to drop and shout them can't.

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We have lost trees to the Emerald Ash Borer

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and it's men, atement, enter roads,

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and bases of wind turbines.

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We have lost trees to cash crop priorities.

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We have lost trees to development.

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the Antiquated Ontario Drainage Act, to Storms, to Greed, to Convenience, and more.

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This year alone in Canada, we have lost 11.5 million hectares of forested land due

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to wildfires. In 2022, thousands more hectares of forest were lost in eastern Canada due

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to the intensity of hurricane Fiona. In Chatham Kent, we are the lucky ones, who, for

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the most part have not had to experience the trauma and direct after effects of these

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large-scale tree destroying events. We are also the lucky ones who can make a difference

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to protect what remains here, for ourselves and generations to follow. In nature, everything

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is connected to everything else. If we continue to give priority to cash crops over woodlobs,

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The tipping point will soon come when soils completely die and crops fail because our local

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biodiversity and ecosystems have imploded because of our destructive actions.

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A local tree protection by-law is well overdue, even though I dream of the day when the concept

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of protection and protective legislation is unneeded, because everyone understands the inherent

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holistic and interconnected value of all trees.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you, next speaker is Rob Kerr, on deck is Bill Parks.

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Thank you for the opportunity.

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I'm a long time Chatham Kent farmer, but I'm speaking for the regenerative agriculture land use management group, which Earl Johnson just referred to.

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It's a voluntary association of farmers and rural residents.

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We absolutely support wood lot preservation.

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amendment council for tackling this exciting and polarizing issue in the spirit of providing

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good government in the long term. We do respect the property rights of land owners, a foundation

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of the rule of law in Canada. But please do not casually surrender your visionary long

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term position.

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First, install a positive incentive strategy, endeavor to grow the commitment

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of the whole community to maintaining an increasing tree cover in Chattamkent.

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The strategy should have three elements. Number one, a substantial forest stewardship support

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program for woodlaught owners that was just mentioned by Earl Johnson.

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Second, positive recognition for the owners of woodlaughts by all taxpayers in the form of a budget manageable annual per acre municipal tax credit.

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and

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thirdly, employ moral suasion, don't be shy, commit to a press release which would publicly identify and make accountable to the whole community the owner of any wood lot destroyed.

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Only then, if you seek or are seeking middle ground, should you consider withdrawing the moratorium?

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Mr.

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Mayor and council, my name is Bill Parks, I'm here to talk to you about food.

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It's kind of important to all of us.

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I want you to look at this little sheet of paper.

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It says, grow Ontario, a provincial agra food strategy. From our Minister of Agriculture, Lisa Thompson, this 16-page document was released November 28, 2022.

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It says some very significant things.

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Minister Thompson's goals for 2023 at 10 years from when she made the announcement is to increase food production and she says it in these ways.

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The consumption of food grown and prepared in Ontario should be increased by 30% by 2032.

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She then asked this to increase the production of food grown and prepared in Ontario by 30%.

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Again, for 2032,

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the third point she put out to increase Ontario's food and beverage manufacturing GDP by 10%.

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And the 4th point, to increase Ontario's agr-food exports by 8% annually.

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It is my view to achieve Mr. Thompson's goal to increase Ontario's food consumption and production by 30% by 2032,

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the province of Ontario,

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which is currently losing more than 319 acres of land every day to urban and urban development.

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We'll need innovative ideas and, and I want to step on this word very hard, more farmland,

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not less. Chattamcans, tree cutting by law, is counterproductive to increasing farmland

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necessary to meet the minister's goals. To achieve the minister's goals, Ontario

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needs more farmland available for production, which in many cases will include clearing and

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draining the farmland. As students of the land, Ontario's agriculturalists agree that

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all cleaning and drainage work needs to continue. Along with the conservation measures to

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create more woodland areas, more prairie grass areas, and more wetland areas,

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in the logical

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and appropriate places.

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As many of Ontario as pardon me, as many of our Chatham Kent farmers have done since 2014.

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With the help of the Laura Thames Valley Conservation Authority and the St.

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Claire Conservation Authority,

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I'm sorry.

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Going forward, Chatham Kent needs a renewed commitment to the natural heritage implementation

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strategy of 2014 from our Chatham Kent Council without radical views from any source.

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The Natural Heritage Implementation Strategy of 2014 has an important initiative that the

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municipality of Chatham Kent must fully support from today on.

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Charlem can't can make progress for farming and for conservation without the woodlock by-laws.

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Please defeat the use by-laws.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Park.

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Nick, Nick speaker is John Sarah Nipkis and I understand you have a PowerPoint presentation.

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Meredith will start that for you and I will let you know when we get to the five minutes

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if you get there.

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On deck is Denise Shepard.

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Cool, thank you.

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Thank you for having me for a few minutes.

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I'd like to adjust the facts for a moment.

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We went from 4.5, 5.5, 4.5, down to 3.5, some people including print media suggesting

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it could be below 3%.

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3% of what?

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Let's look at a bit of the history and a little bit of the facts that need

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to be adjusted. In current print media, Chatham Kent was one of only two municipalities

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in Ontario without a tree cutting by law, and it bears the distinction of having the lowest

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natural forest cover in the province at only 3.5%.

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Well, the latest child can swoop data, pegs it at 104 square kilometers out of 2,045

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square kilometers.

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That's not even counting the smaller lots, fence rows, plantings, valley lands that are

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certain size or whatever, it's still sitting at 4.25 percent.

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Where are the other facts are coming from, whatever, it needs to be adjusted.

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and it will be adjusted further later on the following slides.

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Southern Ontario counties with no by-law, 14 of them,

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roughly half, of the Southern

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Ontario land area, so let's correct that as well.

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In the last 10 years, neighboring Lampton, which has a by-law for a while now, lost 243

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factors, according to their swoop analysis, an elegant with a by-law, it's about to lose

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hundreds of acres most likely because of developments.

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Chatham can't without a by-law, lost 229 hectares.

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While SX, next door, who doesn't have a by-law, gained almost 2% in forest cover, according

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to the CBC report, September 24, 2023.

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All my data is documented and anybody who wants to get further sources, I can provide them.

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The province does not mandate tree regulations or by-laws.

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It does list numerous options for addressing environmental issues.

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Previous Chattam Ken County Council has passed an education and incentive promotion, so we

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it by law.

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Go to the next slide.

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I'm going to run out of time.

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Just quickly, can county pre-settlement, these are the facts.

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It never was poorly forested, not even close.

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Land survey, Patrick McNeil, this is sort of a minister of national resources documents

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and archives.

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On each side of the distance of six miles upstream near Chatham, I'm just going to go fast

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to the safe time.

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We're extensive metals in March just as without any wood, except for a few scattered trees.

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to the oversight that marshals and men has extended north east as far as I could see eight miles up on the south side in general up and

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In the other forks the woodland does not extend back from the Thames more than 30 acres

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Plot I presume and many places not so far then commence to plane

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Robert Stevens that out that off so and so the land on his bank is about to richest. I've ever seen in any country

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If not farmland as a premium priority in chat him can't

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where we need more food for Canada. 67 feet deep of earth that would do for a

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garden and extensive grass plains stretching for miles into the country.

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Without a tree, save here and there a small club like an island in the plain. The

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grass, particularly that, called Blue to Joy, it's good for pastures and so forth.

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Bogs flooded in the spring. In tree settlement times is estimated, this is from your

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Your own official plan for Chatham Kent, 4 section 7, page 4 to 16, section 4, estimated

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that over 60% of Chatham Kent's landscape was wetland, 16% forest, and approximately

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12% tall grass prairie.

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That forest was predominantly, I can find, I give you sources if you want, plumps of wildlife

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groves and red oak, burrow, especially.

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This is what you can't be, especially the western side looked like.

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More than we know now, parts that are still left natural,

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because agriculture has improved

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the land and that's still an official statement.

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We are able now to grow trees in certain areas, where we wouldn't be able to before.

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By

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the way, those windbanks are counted in a swoop.

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Those small areas of force at the back are not counted either.

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We got to go to 4.5% plus.

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Sorry, that's time.

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Oh my gosh.

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Yes, they received your PowerPoint also.

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Next speaker is Denise Shepherd.

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On deck is Confederation Association.

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Sorry, Confederation of Agriculture Association.

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Good evening.

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I am speaking to address the motion presented this evening by Councillor Aaron Hall.

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read the natural heritage strategy. I ask this current council to support the declared

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goal of ensuring environmental sustainability for Chatham Ken. Years of review, reams of

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paper and hours and boardrooms have been directed to establish a natural heritage policy intended

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to protect the natural features of our area for long term. These issues are more important

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now than ever before, and you're being asked to proceed efficiently with the existing data

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and public input collected and previously provided by administration to the members of the

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Natural Heritage Committee of the Hall. It is also of utmost importance the by-law 72-2021

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one remain in place and in enforcement.

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The existing wood lots are a unique ecological feature

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that once gone will be gone forever.

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Picture how differently our area would have been

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if adequate protection would have been provided

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as was sought in 2013.

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Our area has suffered eight long devastating years

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of loss to wildlife, habitat, biodiversity, and connectivity of natural areas until the

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temporary clear cutting bylaw was presented in April 2021.

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Those that understand the

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full value of what is trying to be protected can be proud of their comprehension of future

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impact and their stand to save it for the well-being of all. Those that can drive down any

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rural road and east Kent look across concessions of agricultural land without a tree line in

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sight and realize this is not sustainable can be brave enough to have the moral strength

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to stand up for what is required to protect the less than 4% remaining forest cover.

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Councilor Hall's motion allows for further development and implementation of a combined solution

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that can safeguard preservation of forced cover in Chatham Kent.

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Please be aware the time has come to move from more information gathering and splitting it

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out from several existing programs developed under the umbrella of maintaining natural cover

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in Chatham Kent.

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This is September 2023. The time is now to focus on a way forward regarding woodlock conservation.

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You, as council members, have a cheer fingertips as you vote to accept this motion.

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The opportunity to tackle biodiversity loss and help nature's ability to support a healthy

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environment for the world ahead.

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Thank you.

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Next speaker is the Confederation of Agriculture on deck is the Christian Farmers Federation.

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Mayor Canough and council members.

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As agricultural leaders in Chatham, the Confederation of Agriculture joins with all related agricultural

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groups who support the elimination of existing temporary tree cutting by law.

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With the Ontario Minister of Agriculture, recently calling on farmers increased production by 30 percent.

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Chatham Kent farmers are ready to step up.

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We have some of the most fertile productive and naturally irrigated soil in Canada, little alone Ontario.

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In order for our farms to remain competitive, profitable and profitable, farmers

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We need to be in control of their land. That's the message the Confederation of Agriculture is hearing from our more than 1850 members. Two years ago, council decided to put in a temporary by-law, which halted the natural heritage implementation strategy with no end date. This was more than an oversight to say the least. Real landowners have been waiting for resolution to this matter and deserve it tonight. The natural heritage implementation strategy was very successful in the past,

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and generated very positive results despite being abandoned by one of its key

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partners the municipality of Chatham Kent. Many natural areas and wetlands were

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created using native tree species to entail grasses throughout our

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municipality. The Kent Federation is calling on council tonight to implement a

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new updated natural heritage strategy. We would be pleased to champion the update

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and work with council and staff members for the success of it.

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New housing developments in Chatham-Cant are removing prime agricultural farm land from production at an alarming rate.

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The farmers of Chatham-Cant need council's help to allow landowners to make the best decisions for their property.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Next speaker is Christian Farmers Federation on deck is Sarah Vindolin.

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Mr. Mayor and Council, my name is Gus Ternoy and I'm speaking on behalf of the Chatham

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01:01:40,740 --> 01:01:46,380
Kent Essex Christian Farmers Association as their president.

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I want to reinforce the important and unique status of Chatham Kent, a large agricultural

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producer and Ontario. The Chattankant Property Rights Association report quite rightly highlights

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many of these issues facing the sustainability of agriculture in the province and real requirements

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01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:13,940
of farmers in Chattankant. The Ontario Government's growing Ontario agri-food strategy highlights how

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important agriculture is to our province and nation and sets out ambitious goals to protect our agriculture

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and resulting food security.

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Policies and regulations that stand in the way of this strategy are detrimental to the

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well-being of Ontario and Canada as a whole.

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The farms in this county are often being managed by 3rd and 4th generation farmers,

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and Ivan personally met those who are the 7th generation on their land.

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Our farmers understand their land,

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and have evolved the relationship with the natural environment around them creating a sustainable system.

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And these farmers are the experts who did to determine what is best and most beneficial use of their land.

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Much of the land in Chathamkent due to its rich soil, long growing season and agreeable topography is optimal for high production agriculture.

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A very small percentage of our nation's land can be farmed, and it is our responsibility

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to use the blessings of our region to the optimal benefit of our world.

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Local tree cover is a complex situation.

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01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,800
The temporary by-law is nearly two and a half years old.

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Clearly, if this were a simple problem or the approach to resolving it was understood,

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it would have been addressed long ago.

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It is obvious to me, no simple regulatory approach is going to address complex situations

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01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,260
and very real demands we need to address.

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01:03:47,740 --> 01:03:53,680
If it is council's desire to do anything effective, this will require open dialogue to first

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establish all competing goals and then put forth plans to prioritize these goals and only

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then can effective programs be created to move us towards those goals.

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Without a full comprehension of the competing land usages, detailed by each unique land type within the county, can any action be made without creating regulatory burdens and ultimately more negative effects rather than truly protecting or promoting our mutual goals?

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There's every reason for Chatham Kent to be a benchmark for agriculture in Ontario.

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By-law 72, 2021 in no way creates that environment.

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Thank you.

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Next speaker is Sarah Van Lillen on deck is Chatham Kent Property Rights Association.

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This by-law has been implemented on April 26, 2021.

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It is now September 25, 2023.

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It has been placed for two years and six months.

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When I looked up the definition of the word temporary in the dictionary, the adjective was

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lasting for a limited period of time and not permanent.

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01:05:13,620 --> 01:05:18,620
Good evening, Honorable Mayor Darren Kenneth, Counselors and fellow Chatham Kent citizens.

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01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:23,940
My name is Sarah Valaywan and I'm in favor of Counselor Stephen Pistonnell's motion to remove

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Bylaw 72-2021.

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The temporary, clear, cutting Bylaw.

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I farm together with my husband and three children.

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We are a young family that resides in Chatham Kent and Howard County.

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My husband and I both graduated from the University of Guelph, Richtown campus, where we were

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taught to have great stewardship of the land.

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Today we work with many people to make sure that we can fulfill that fact.

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More people than we might even have for our health.

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In September of 2018, I took part in celebrating Chatham Kent's and volunteering in the IPM in Pantor.

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During the all chairs meeting, I attended Mayor.

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You stood at the front of the group of the committee chairs and was very passionately expressing your pride in Chatham Kent, promoting everything that Chatham Kent has to offer.

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Our mascot was named Toby Coby. His feet represent tomato, sorry his head was tomato,

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beefy chest and shoulders, leg of corn and beans for feet. He had a colorful air culture

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01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:37,440
symbol which represents Chatham Kent. These are a few of the crops that we grow in Chatham

668
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:42,660
Kent. We have some of the most productive land in Ontario. We are able to grow field crops

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01:06:42,660 --> 01:06:48,160
and vegetables, which most areas might not be able to because of their lack of heat units

670
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:54,720
and fertility. While traveling up north we notice large amounts of logging trees, and yes,

671
01:06:55,140 --> 01:06:59,660
up north has abundance of trees, but then I notice signs protesting mining a line.

672
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:05,780
Everyone uses the products that our land has to offer. They just don't want it in their own backyard.

673
01:07:08,060 --> 01:07:11,700
And Tatum Kent pushes are able to come down for housing or to develop the area.

674
01:07:11,700 --> 01:07:14,540
This by-law is just in place for farmers.

675
01:07:15,460 --> 01:07:17,960
We lose over 300 acres a day to development.

676
01:07:19,020 --> 01:07:23,220
We bought and paid for our land and continue to pay high taxes over it.

677
01:07:23,940 --> 01:07:26,020
We love what we do and we are good at it.

678
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:30,040
We take our time in sharing the actions that we take are the right ones.

679
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:36,660
Councillors, I urge you to please vote right, vote to eliminate the tree-cutting by-law and

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01:07:36,660 --> 01:07:37,600
eliminate red tape.

681
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:43,480
Thank you for your time this evening and allowing me to express my favor, the motion to remove the tree cutting by law.

682
01:07:43,740 --> 01:07:45,640
If you ate today, thank you, farmer.

683
01:07:52,930 --> 01:07:58,250
Next speaker is the Chatham Kent Property Rights Association on deck is all of Natbic.

684
01:08:01,910 --> 01:08:03,330
Thank you, mayor and councillors.

685
01:08:04,110 --> 01:08:06,970
I represent the Chatham Kent Property Rights Association.

686
01:08:07,570 --> 01:08:11,230
My name's Jim Brockett, I'm also a director on the Kent Federation of Agriculture.

687
01:08:11,230 --> 01:08:16,210
The Chattamcant Property Rights Association joins with a majority of the rural population

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01:08:16,710 --> 01:08:21,710
of Chattamcant in requesting the elimination of the existing temporary tree cutting by

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01:08:21,710 --> 01:08:22,010
law.

690
01:08:22,670 --> 01:08:26,390
Ontario has less than 5% of its land use for primary agriculture.

691
01:08:26,930 --> 01:08:32,010
Chattamcant is optimum for agricultural practices by benefiting from the soil types, our terrain,

692
01:08:32,670 --> 01:08:35,070
our water resources, and a very long growing season.

693
01:08:35,830 --> 01:08:40,250
Our unique topography and climate combine to create the perfect agricultural land base.

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01:08:40,250 --> 01:08:43,190
to minimize the impact on food production,

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01:08:43,610 --> 01:08:46,950
resulting from converting marginal ground to crop land

696
01:08:46,950 --> 01:08:48,610
to meet global food requirements.

697
01:08:49,150 --> 01:08:52,750
It is important to maximize land use benefits.

698
01:08:53,350 --> 01:08:55,790
Farmland has been lost globally and

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01:08:55,790 --> 01:09:00,010
provincially to the high rate of residential and industrial development.

700
01:09:00,430 --> 01:09:04,950
Much of this development is situated on previously highly productive farms.

701
01:09:05,590 --> 01:09:09,670
Our natural heritage plan and conservation undertakings have proven

702
01:09:09,670 --> 01:09:15,210
to be effective in converting marginal farm land to provide tree cover and other natural

703
01:09:15,210 --> 01:09:21,190
spaces. In other words, places where we can't grow food. As a society we need to contemplate

704
01:09:21,190 --> 01:09:26,910
land use consequences and ensure the direction taken maximizes the benefits when measured

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01:09:26,910 --> 01:09:30,410
on a provincial, national, and even international basis.

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01:09:31,490 --> 01:09:36,190
Much discussion has been had over the amount of tree cover in various sectors of the province,

707
01:09:36,190 --> 01:09:42,590
including in Chatham Kent, but if we consider the need for farmland preservation as a means to much needed food production,

708
01:09:42,970 --> 01:09:47,310
we see that the primary agricultural land is currently at risk.

709
01:09:48,070 --> 01:09:54,970
Statistics from the Ontario Federation of Agriculture has recently as 2023 showed total.

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01:09:54,970 --> 01:10:05,690
April, acreage of farmland and tarot decreased from 12,348,000 acres in 2016 to 11,766,

711
01:10:06,170 --> 01:10:11,550
averaging out to a decrease of approximately 319 acres, as previously mentioned in many

712
01:10:11,550 --> 01:10:15,070
deputations, farmland loss per day to development.

713
01:10:15,670 --> 01:10:24,130
The loss has almost doubled the 175 acres of 2016 and has surely gone to 400 or more now.

714
01:10:24,130 --> 01:10:31,230
A question that arise from the shocking acknowledgement of farmland at risk is essentially the same one our ancestors faced when they settled.

715
01:10:31,710 --> 01:10:38,770
How do we feed ourselves in the population? At that time, they were faced with a promise that was covered in trees and still is.

716
01:10:40,110 --> 01:10:44,230
They had to make a hard decision to knock down trees to brought enough food to eat.

717
01:10:45,050 --> 01:10:47,410
This is evident from the statistics that we've shown.

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01:10:48,450 --> 01:10:53,750
At today's rate of farmland loss to development, nearly 1% of the per year it could be easily

719
01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:57,230
said we are in crisis mode and need to examine ways to offset this.

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01:10:58,070 --> 01:11:03,910
Chatham Ken is unique in his location and comparative and composition relative to the rest of Ontario.

721
01:11:05,330 --> 01:11:09,250
The issue of clear-cutting of trees and woodlands last to rose in 13.

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01:11:09,870 --> 01:11:14,010
At that time, many concerned parties on both sides of the discussion presented their

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01:11:14,010 --> 01:11:17,150
position to the municipality of Chatham Ken who was contemplating a bylaw.

724
01:11:17,710 --> 01:11:21,470
The thoughtful result was the natural heritage strategy which was working.

725
01:11:22,330 --> 01:11:31,270
We have increased over that time period, our acreage planted to trees versus knocked down by 3.73%.

726
01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:35,830
So without any need for a bylaw, the property owners have managed to increase the amount of woodlaught

727
01:11:35,830 --> 01:11:39,930
tree cover that was removed versus what was planted.

728
01:11:41,050 --> 01:11:48,290
We have not had good support from the other players, whether it be the activists or even the municipality.

729
01:11:51,170 --> 01:11:55,910
So we're looking for support with the natural heritage strategy from the municipality and the other players.

730
01:11:56,530 --> 01:12:00,110
We want to maintain a balanced natural ecosystem with this municipality.

731
01:12:00,590 --> 01:12:05,790
We believe that all interested parties including agriculturalists, urbanites, business people,

732
01:12:05,790 --> 01:12:13,290
thoughtful conservationists, LT, VCA, and SCRCA, our conservation groups, and radical

733
01:12:13,290 --> 01:12:17,350
conservationists would support a review and improvement of the natural heritage strategy.

734
01:12:18,230 --> 01:12:22,890
In conclusion, the preservation of our environment is everyone's concern, but not everyone's

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01:12:22,890 --> 01:12:23,450
responsibility.

736
01:12:24,110 --> 01:12:29,490
The responsibility of managing such a limited resource, which is currently at risk lies with the farmers

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01:12:29,490 --> 01:12:31,070
who operate on these productive lands.

738
01:12:31,690 --> 01:12:33,930
This is their most valuable and natural resource.

739
01:12:33,930 --> 01:12:41,650
All we are asking for is everyone's support to carry on their life's task in a business environment that supports their endeavors.

740
01:12:42,170 --> 01:12:56,290
To that end, we again reiterate our requests that municipality of Chathamkent vote against any by-law that would restrict the farmland owner from clearing woodlots and recover to recover valuable farmland that will then go into food production.

741
01:12:56,930 --> 01:12:57,990
Thank you very much.

742
01:12:57,990 --> 01:12:59,090
Thank you.

743
01:13:03,710 --> 01:13:07,790
Next speaker is all of Natbick on deck is Ben Kushtas.

744
01:13:15,790 --> 01:13:21,130
Mr. Mayor, members of council, thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak tonight.

745
01:13:21,870 --> 01:13:28,750
This issue is dear to my heart and I've brought basically a letter that I wrote two years

746
01:13:28,750 --> 01:13:34,830
ago when council was considering a moratorium because basically the same forces are play.

747
01:13:34,830 --> 01:13:40,930
Today the issue still remains the same and essentially it's very applicable.

748
01:13:41,810 --> 01:13:42,710
So who am I?

749
01:13:43,170 --> 01:13:49,590
Well, my name is Olaf Nathic, I'm 57 years old and I've lived in South Orford since

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01:13:49,590 --> 01:13:50,190
a young kid.

751
01:13:51,190 --> 01:13:57,290
I've been fortunate to grow up in a farming family that has, and I've learned to appreciate

752
01:13:57,290 --> 01:14:03,490
the beauty of nature and see its intrinsic value and benefit to the community by maintaining

753
01:14:03,490 --> 01:14:11,230
my original woodlots. I own 125 acres of land of which 58 acres is forested. My

754
01:14:11,230 --> 01:14:15,170
woodlots are part of the last remaining woodlots sections in South

755
01:14:15,170 --> 01:14:20,750
Orford and sadly I have come to the conclusion that they need legal protection

756
01:14:20,750 --> 01:14:28,610
otherwise they will also go the way of the dodo. Where do I stand? I support a

757
01:14:28,610 --> 01:14:30,970
a tree cutting bylaw for various reasons.

758
01:14:31,630 --> 01:14:37,870
The key reason is that current land sales to large farming operations more times than

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01:14:37,870 --> 01:14:39,450
not lead to land clearing.

760
01:14:40,790 --> 01:14:45,130
Since the last time the tree cutting bylaw was voted down, two neighboring firms came

761
01:14:45,130 --> 01:14:54,190
up for sale and with land values now at $15 to $25,000 an acre, the buyers are large farming

762
01:14:54,190 --> 01:14:54,710
outfits.

763
01:14:55,070 --> 01:14:55,790
Don't kid yourself.

764
01:14:56,190 --> 01:14:57,490
They're not small operators.

765
01:14:57,490 --> 01:14:59,970
They're large farming outfits. You need money.

766
01:15:01,070 --> 01:15:30,930
One naming firm had every last tree removed, probably 30, 40 acres worth, and the other piece I had to do a landswap, i.e., sell 40 acres of clear land so that I could buy the neighboring 50 acre piece with 25 acres of remaining woodlot. The reality was, if I didn't do the landswap, the next large farming operator would have cleared and tiled the woodlot. This is the on the ground trend

767
01:15:30,930 --> 01:15:33,810
that continues since I was a boy, it's sad.

768
01:15:34,990 --> 01:15:39,870
And the reality is, the lands that remain forested only do so

769
01:15:39,870 --> 01:15:43,470
because the land owners see the intrinsic value

770
01:15:43,470 --> 01:15:47,110
beyond simply a dollar and cents proposition

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01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:51,930
and the majority want to keep a way to keep it as such.

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01:15:52,710 --> 01:15:57,290
It's the woodlock owners who buy and large want the tree cutting bylaw

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01:15:57,290 --> 01:16:03,910
While it's the farming interests who want to buy what remains who are against the tree cutting by law.

774
01:16:04,270 --> 01:16:10,950
To farming interests, it's simply a dollars and cents proposition to have the future opportunity

775
01:16:11,370 --> 01:16:16,210
to clear what remains when it comes up for sale, that's doubly sad.

776
01:16:17,110 --> 01:16:18,930
I'm not a political person.

777
01:16:19,670 --> 01:16:25,830
I just know there are a lot of silent landowners who happened to own a small piece of bush

778
01:16:25,830 --> 01:16:33,470
That's given them great joy and it kills them to know when their next buyer comes in. It's likely to be clear I

779
01:16:34,870 --> 01:16:41,150
Can tell you many people would roll in their graves if they knew what happened to their woodlot after their passing

780
01:16:41,850 --> 01:16:52,430
I don't want to be that person so I hope council will find a way to save that last little bit whether it's two three four four point five percent

781
01:16:52,430 --> 01:16:54,890
Let's face it. We're down to scraps

782
01:16:56,750 --> 01:17:02,370
So, we can all enjoy a true legacy and find the same joy that kept me here in the first

783
01:17:02,370 --> 01:17:02,750
place.

784
01:17:03,570 --> 01:17:04,490
Thank you very much.

785
01:17:05,130 --> 01:17:05,430
Thank you.

786
01:17:09,310 --> 01:17:11,470
In the last week of this evening has been pushed off.

787
01:17:11,630 --> 01:17:12,190
It's been here.

788
01:17:14,480 --> 01:17:14,720
Okay.

789
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,260
So, council has received his via email also.

790
01:17:17,740 --> 01:17:20,280
So, Mr. Mayor, that is the end of the deputations this evening.

791
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:23,580
We'll move on to consent agenda.

792
01:17:25,140 --> 01:17:28,380
In the consent agenda, I have four items that have been pulled.

793
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:33,060
16A, adjustments to the community improvement plan.

794
01:17:33,260 --> 01:17:38,440
We have a presentation by staff and Councillor Saccacci and Councillor Doyle have pulled the item.

795
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:44,380
16B, municipal housing pledges and targets, strong mayor powers and building faster fund.

796
01:17:45,420 --> 01:17:49,280
Councillor Carman McGregor, Councillor Doyle and Councillor Juvenville have pulled that item.

797
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:52,600
The other two are what we're here for this evening.

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01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:58,620
16G, motion of Councillor Pincino, the natural heritage strategy, and 16H, the motion

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01:17:58,620 --> 01:18:03,620
of Councillor Hall, the natural heritage strategy. Therefore, the remaining items on the consent

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01:18:03,620 --> 01:18:19,660
agenda this evening are items 14A, 15A, B, 16C, D, E, F, item 17A, 18A, 19A, 20A, 21A,

801
01:18:19,660 --> 01:18:24,800
A, B, C, and D. Councillor McGrill and Councillor Thompson, each

802
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:29,160
can move the consent agenda, please. I will move that.

803
01:18:29,700 --> 01:18:34,120
And I will second it. Any questions? Seeing none, we'll put it to vote.

804
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:37,360
Councillor Carmine McGregor.

805
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:41,040
Councillor Bondy.

806
01:18:51,310 --> 01:18:52,090
All votes are in.

807
01:18:52,970 --> 01:18:57,770
Sorry. Councillor Hall is not there. Sorry. All votes are in. Motion passes 16 to 0.

808
01:19:04,140 --> 01:19:06,140
Item 16, development services.

809
01:19:08,060 --> 01:19:12,520
16A, adjustments to the community improvement plan, and we have a presentation from Gabriel

810
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:14,800
Clark, the manager of growth and sustainability.

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01:19:47,300 --> 01:19:48,240
So thank you, Mr. Mayor.

812
01:19:48,900 --> 01:19:52,300
Counselors over the next few minutes, I will provide an overview of Chatham Kent's community

813
01:19:52,300 --> 01:19:55,620
improvement plan, or also known as its CIP.

814
01:19:56,500 --> 01:20:01,300
I'll talk also quickly about the CIP review project that we've been working on over the

815
01:20:01,300 --> 01:20:07,200
last 10 months and then I will touch upon the recommendations that we have developed

816
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:10,060
for the various CIP programs going forward.

817
01:20:12,590 --> 01:20:14,290
So for those who are unfamiliar with the

818
01:20:14,290 --> 01:20:19,990
community improvement plan or CIP in simple terms, it is a program that offers a series

819
01:20:19,990 --> 01:20:25,150
of financial incentives to encourage various forms of high priority development such as commercial

820
01:20:25,150 --> 01:20:30,910
residential and employment related. It was approved by Council on March 2nd, 2020, so

821
01:20:30,910 --> 01:20:36,850
days before the COVID pandemic and it includes five core funding streams including a commercial

822
01:20:36,850 --> 01:20:42,570
facade rejuvenation grant program, a property tax program, a building and planning fee program,

823
01:20:43,190 --> 01:20:48,530
a development charges grant program, and a program that offers grants for various forms of housing.

824
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:57,880
So in December of last year, a planning service has initiated what we call the CIP review project,

825
01:20:58,180 --> 01:21:02,740
and this project was initiated to evaluate the impact that the CIP has had on the community

826
01:21:02,740 --> 01:21:08,120
since it was introduced in 2020, and then to ensure that the CIP continues to reflect

827
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:12,480
Council's evolving priorities related to growth and development.

828
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:17,860
CIP review project includes the three main steps which are illustrated on the screen.

829
01:21:18,540 --> 01:21:24,500
So step one led to the creation of the CIP uptake and community impact report that was presented

830
01:21:24,500 --> 01:21:27,440
to Council on July 10th at the meeting.

831
01:21:28,420 --> 01:21:34,140
Step 2 and 3 were undertaken concurrently and led to the creation of the report that

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01:21:34,140 --> 01:21:37,980
is attached to this evening's council agenda and this presentation.

833
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:48,860
So this slide actually illustrates just one key excerpt from the CIP uptaken Community

834
01:21:48,860 --> 01:21:55,640
Impact Report and shows that between March of 2020 and December of 2022, the total construction

835
01:21:55,640 --> 01:22:02,380
of the investments that participated in the CIP was estimated just under 170 million dollars.

836
01:22:03,060 --> 01:22:07,300
Those developments received grants totaling just over 18 million dollars,

837
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:13,380
which represents an investment value private sector versus public sector of 9.3 to 1.

838
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:20,320
Full details of this analysis and everything else that we've included on the CIP

839
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:26,080
the uptake in impact analysis is included on the report that was attached to the July 10,

840
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:32,740
2023 Council agenda. So with that as back on information, I will now turn

841
01:22:32,740 --> 01:22:38,140
to the adjustments that have been developed for Chatham Kent Community Improvement Plan

842
01:22:38,140 --> 01:22:40,780
going forward that are before you for consideration.

843
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:46,600
So the adjustments that are recommended for

844
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:50,940
the CIP programs are all underpinned by one or more of the following guiding principles

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01:22:50,940 --> 01:22:52,320
that are listed on this slide.

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01:22:53,060 --> 01:22:57,320
The guiding principles on the left column flow directly from the various growth-related

847
01:22:57,320 --> 01:23:01,700
priorities that are included in Council's newly approved strategic plan.

848
01:23:02,420 --> 01:23:07,660
The guiding principles on the right hand of the column were developed throughout the course

849
01:23:07,660 --> 01:23:13,940
of the CIP review project, and various sources include best management practices review, business

850
01:23:13,940 --> 01:23:16,860
community surveys, and stakeholder engagement.

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01:23:16,860 --> 01:23:17,840
So

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01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:27,280
turning to the actual recommended adjustments, starting with the commercial facade improvement program at the top of the screen there.

853
01:23:27,860 --> 01:23:38,720
Recommendations include simplifying the grant structure, increasing the maximum grant value, and ensuring that projects that involve replacing windows are always paired with other facade improvements.

854
01:23:39,480 --> 01:23:48,620
The recommendations for the second program on the list here called the development charges partial rebate program is to sunset this program.

855
01:23:48,620 --> 01:23:59,420
This recommendation is partly driven by builds 23, which now mandates a 100% exemption for affordable housing developments from our development charges.

856
01:24:00,620 --> 01:24:11,860
Third on the list is recommendations for the building and planning fee rebate program, which include introducing a funding stream for additional dwelling units, also known as secondary units.

857
01:24:11,860 --> 01:24:18,480
and focusing the eligibility for the commercial and mixed use streams to downtown business areas.

858
01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:25,540
For the residential conversion and affordable housing program recommendations include increasing the amounts of the grants,

859
01:24:26,220 --> 01:24:31,440
eliminating the unit caps and focusing the mixed use grants to downtown areas.

860
01:24:35,850 --> 01:24:39,590
Turning to the recommendations for the property tax program, which is also known

861
01:24:39,590 --> 01:24:44,070
affectionately as the property tax increment equivalent grant program.

862
01:24:44,770 --> 01:24:48,890
Recommendations for the commercial stream include establishing a two-tier system,

863
01:24:49,430 --> 01:24:54,010
basically more aggressive incentives for downtowns and hotels,

864
01:24:54,730 --> 01:25:00,170
and then a second less aggressive stream for commercial developments outside of downtown areas.

865
01:25:01,010 --> 01:25:06,890
Recommendations for the mixed use commercial residential stream include focusing eligibility to downtown areas,

866
01:25:06,890 --> 01:25:14,030
and providing a more aggressive incentive for affordable housing units in mixed-use buildings located in downtown areas.

867
01:25:15,070 --> 01:25:24,230
Recommendations for the employment stream is to raise the minimum eligible project cost to a million dollars up from 250,000, where it is at currently.

868
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:38,200
Recommendations for the major employment stream include raising the eligible minimum project cost up to 10 million from 5 million where it currently is at.

869
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:48,980
and providing council with the option to negotiate incentive levels for employment developments that come in at a value of $50 million or more.

870
01:25:50,240 --> 01:26:07,020
The recommendations for the major rental residential stream is to provide the developer with 70% of the tax grant and then to place the remaining 30% into a municipal affordable housing reserved to build up funding for future municipal affordable housing projects.

871
01:26:07,020 --> 01:26:21,540
And then finally, the last recommended recommendation under the property tax grant program is to establish a grant for existing homeowners who decide to build additional dwelling units on their properties.

872
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:30,900
And just quickly touching on the second recommendation that is included on the report.

873
01:26:31,460 --> 01:26:39,620
So as we were undertaking the stakeholder engagement process, a number of participants brought ideas forward for ideas.

874
01:26:40,440 --> 01:26:48,080
where the concept of incentives could potentially be applied, including some that touched on various priorities identified by Council.

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01:26:48,700 --> 01:27:02,720
Examples include supporting rural economic development and diversification, innovative housing solutions such as modular housing, cooperative, non-for-profit housing, life leases, land trusts, small homes, and other affordable housing models.

876
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:09,320
talent attraction, so things like childcare facilities, early childhood educators, doctors,

877
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:14,760
and medical practitioner recruitment, public art, and universal accessibility improvements.

878
01:27:15,440 --> 01:27:22,260
These discussion led us to the second recommendation, where we are proposing to launch a new project

879
01:27:22,260 --> 01:27:27,680
that would explore the use of incentives to support the priorities included in Council's newly

880
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:30,800
approved 23-27 strategic plan.

881
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:35,760
From a timing perspective, planning services would consider this project if it's approved

882
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:42,520
by Council as part of the development of the 2024 business plan and would then bring

883
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:46,200
a project framework report to Council for consideration in the new year.

884
01:27:47,580 --> 01:27:51,320
So with that, I'll end the presentation and I'm happy to take any questions that Council

885
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:51,760
may have.

886
01:27:51,940 --> 01:27:52,180
Thank you.

887
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:57,380
Councilor Sikachi and Councilor Doyle, can I get you to put some of the floor please?

888
01:27:57,380 --> 01:27:57,540
Please.

889
01:27:58,300 --> 01:27:59,820
Happy to put on the floor, Mayor Canneff.

890
01:28:01,340 --> 01:28:02,000
Second that.

891
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:03,520
Councillor Scotch.

892
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:05,300
She floors yours then followed by Councillor Doyle.

893
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:07,000
Thank you, Mayor Canneff.

894
01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:08,000
And three-year-your-worship.

895
01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:11,780
Gabriel, we've had a chance to conversation a little bit today.

896
01:28:12,180 --> 01:28:13,940
I thank Mr. Dubin for his time as well.

897
01:28:14,460 --> 01:28:18,540
I guess I just wanted to be insured with number two with the continuing investigation for

898
01:28:18,540 --> 01:28:20,560
the use of the CIP incentives.

899
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:27,020
If really it's still going to give us enough kind of direction to ensure that we're continuing

900
01:28:27,020 --> 01:28:32,780
to work on our affordable housing aspects. Obviously, when you're doing planning, we're always looking at the long-term goal.

901
01:28:33,260 --> 01:28:41,980
I just wanted to see if you thought that the, you know, the continuing investigation was enough to continue to focus on some short-term resolutions in the need that we're seeing currently in the community.

902
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:53,840
Certainly, thank you, Councillor Scotch, for the question. So the second recommendation included in the report, as I mentioned, includes looking at the

903
01:28:55,580 --> 01:29:03,340
investigating the use of potential incentives to achieve a variety of council's goals as identified in its strategic plan.

904
01:29:03,900 --> 01:29:09,980
One of those areas could very well be and will be focused on affordable housing.

905
01:29:10,500 --> 01:29:19,700
I would suggest that the CIP provides an opportunity for the municipality to encourage private sector investments for affordable housing

906
01:29:19,700 --> 01:29:28,200
and with the recommendation to dedicate 30% of the tax grant for a major market rental.

907
01:29:28,340 --> 01:29:35,960
It also provides an opportunity for the municipality to build up a fund that is not directly related

908
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:40,760
to the budget to fund future affordable housing projects.

909
01:29:41,440 --> 01:29:47,700
So if I look at various ways that affordable housing could be developed, there's the private

910
01:29:47,700 --> 01:29:53,220
sector side of things, there's direct municipal investments, and then there's also non-for-profits.

911
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:59,960
And what I would suggest as part of the second recommendation is we would look at how incentive-

912
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:28,200
The incentives could be applied to encourage non-for-profit and potentially further encourage private sector investments in affordable housing. The question remains, though, is that sufficient. And I would suggest that there are potentially additional avenues that could be pursued to investigate ways that we could encourage affordable housing. Beyond that, which is included,

913
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:37,040
within the scope of that second recommendation on the report but that said that is, you know,

914
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:41,620
going to be a focus of that second recommendation. So hopefully that answers your question.

915
01:30:42,100 --> 01:30:49,820
Just a quick follow up. So with number two, I would guess that there would be continuous dialogue with Mr. Harper's

916
01:30:49,820 --> 01:30:55,880
team as well in regards to potential projects in the future to see if there's other ways we can kind of be

917
01:30:55,880 --> 01:31:01,560
collectively creative, I guess, in some of these resources that he might come across?

918
01:31:03,180 --> 01:31:03,620
100%.

919
01:31:03,620 --> 01:31:04,100
Yes.

920
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:05,300
And I just wanted to-

921
01:31:05,300 --> 01:31:05,920
Oh, sorry.

922
01:31:06,020 --> 01:31:11,600
I just wanted to acknowledge, I think that adding the extra dwelling unit really gives residents

923
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:17,300
who maybe have a house or two houses in the community an opportunity to incentivize helping

924
01:31:17,300 --> 01:31:18,680
create a solution a little bit.

925
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:23,780
So I just think that's a very good new component to this and I definitely greatly appreciate

926
01:31:23,780 --> 01:31:24,360
that in the report.

927
01:31:24,540 --> 01:31:24,820
Thank you.

928
01:31:24,820 --> 01:31:28,120
Okay. Councilor Doyle, followed by Councillor Finn.

929
01:31:31,230 --> 01:31:38,130
Thank you, Mayor. Just a couple of questions. In 2020, we switched it from just downtown

930
01:31:38,130 --> 01:31:44,170
to more areas. To encompass quite a few more buildings and people to be able to use this

931
01:31:44,170 --> 01:31:49,790
the CIP program. What was the main reason for getting away from just going back to just

932
01:31:49,790 --> 01:31:50,070
downtown?

933
01:31:52,570 --> 01:31:55,450
If you're sorry, Mr. Councillor, you're

934
01:31:55,450 --> 01:31:56,670
referring to the commercial incentives?

935
01:31:57,070 --> 01:31:58,670
And yes, like the tax or the tax.

936
01:32:00,700 --> 01:32:05,620
One of the ways to visualize an incentive is an encouragement, right?

937
01:32:06,220 --> 01:32:09,080
So it's an encouragement to achieve a particular goal or objective.

938
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:14,500
So when I think about it, what we did in 2020,

939
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:17,640
if we're using the analogy of an amplifier,

940
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:21,020
is we turned the volume up on the commercial incentives

941
01:32:21,020 --> 01:32:23,660
to full blast for all of Chatham Ken.

942
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:28,840
And what we did, what we realized, or what we've achieved over the last several years,

943
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:35,020
is significant increase in private sector investment in all forms of commercial development.

944
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:39,740
Then what we did was one we looked at Council's newly approved strategic plan.

945
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:48,560
We identified, I believe it is, resilient downtown areas as a strategic objective that Council has identified.

946
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:56,020
So when we go back to the amplifier, we looked at can we turn up the volume on the incentive

947
01:32:56,020 --> 01:33:04,120
offered in downtown areas to align with Council's objective without completely turning down

948
01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:08,920
the volume on commercial incentives outside of downtown areas.

949
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:15,340
So you'll notice that what we're suggesting is a two stream, two streams of commercial

950
01:33:15,340 --> 01:33:21,840
incentive. One that's kind of more aggressive for a longer period in our downtown areas,

951
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:27,460
but we're also suggesting that commercial incentive or the incentive for commercial developments

952
01:33:27,460 --> 01:33:34,160
outside of downtown areas be turned down a little bit but not completely turned off.

953
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:41,960
And that is to increase the differentiation between the encouragement we would provide in a

954
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:48,420
downtown area versus outside of it, so that one of business is considering where to locate

955
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:57,500
the incentive or the signal from the part of the municipality is stronger to locate in

956
01:33:57,500 --> 01:33:58,260
a downtown area.

957
01:34:01,670 --> 01:34:02,630
I guess I can understand that.

958
01:34:03,070 --> 01:34:03,670
Thank you very much.

959
01:34:05,390 --> 01:34:07,410
Councillor Finn, followed by Councillor McGregor.

960
01:34:08,450 --> 01:34:09,070
Thank you.

961
01:34:09,190 --> 01:34:10,570
Worship through you, too, Gabriel.

962
01:34:10,570 --> 01:34:14,390
Just some questions that came up while I was reading it.

963
01:34:14,710 --> 01:34:17,230
It's with regards to the affordability and

964
01:34:17,230 --> 01:34:23,570
where it says the provincial legislation, then bill 23 requires 100%.

965
01:34:24,310 --> 01:34:30,050
How many units in a project have to be affordable for one?

966
01:34:30,790 --> 01:34:39,390
And who determines what affordable is because 80% of 1600 on that department is still not affordable for most?

967
01:34:39,390 --> 01:34:42,810
That's my first question.

968
01:34:45,580 --> 01:34:47,760
Thank you. Your worship. I'll take that one, Councillor.

969
01:34:49,140 --> 01:34:55,840
So we purposely used the same definition of affordable housing development and affordable

970
01:34:55,840 --> 01:35:04,120
housing in the CIP as we did in our development charges by law. And the way it reads now,

971
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:12,300
it is more than five units of which 25% have designated as affordable. That counts as an

972
01:35:12,300 --> 01:35:20,200
affordable housing development. The province, why it's in Bill 23, has not yet actually settled

973
01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:25,340
on a definition that's one of the dialogue that's going on, but for right now, we have

974
01:35:25,340 --> 01:35:30,380
our own local definition that's in both of those documents. And it's 25% of the units

975
01:35:30,380 --> 01:35:33,660
within a project, rental housing.

976
01:35:34,620 --> 01:35:37,460
And who determines the price of affordability?

977
01:35:37,460 --> 01:35:46,100
It's defined in there as well, subject to various programs, et cetera, in the definition of what the affordability is so.

978
01:35:47,220 --> 01:35:54,100
And my second one, what is the minimum square footage of a residence under the building code by law right now,

979
01:35:54,680 --> 01:36:01,960
as we're expanding people have parents that they might want to have a tiny home on their property with them.

980
01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:04,180
And right now you can't do that.

981
01:36:04,180 --> 01:36:12,060
So, we did bring forward a change to the zoning by-law during the last housing amendment,

982
01:36:12,060 --> 01:36:14,860
which I believe, but was last year at some, about a year ago.

983
01:36:15,400 --> 01:36:22,160
And that accounted for the additional dwelling units that you're speaking of to allow up to three on a property.

984
01:36:23,260 --> 01:36:28,400
There is no dwelling unit size for what we call an additional dwelling unit.

985
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:32,740
There is a minimum size of 70 square meters or 700 square feet.

986
01:36:32,740 --> 01:36:38,040
if it's just a single detached dwelling on its own lot or a semi detached dwelling or a town

987
01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:43,200
house unit currently under the zoning by-law. That's the way the zoning by-law is framed.

988
01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:50,560
So if somebody wanted, say for their mother or their father, a 200 square foot home put on their

989
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:57,860
property, they wouldn't be allowed to do that. Are you talking in addition to their own home?

990
01:36:57,860 --> 01:36:58,280
Yes.

991
01:36:58,440 --> 01:36:58,700
Yes.

992
01:36:58,860 --> 01:37:00,940
No, they would be allowed to do that under the Zoning Bar Law.

993
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:06,960
You know, if it's within certain service areas right now, in agricultural areas, it's

994
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:13,400
only allowed within the dwelling itself, but you can bring in an accessory dwelling and it

995
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:16,180
all has to meet as the Ontario Building Code for size.

996
01:37:17,120 --> 01:37:22,280
Off the top of my head, I think it's a little less than 200 square feet, but it has to be

997
01:37:22,280 --> 01:37:23,280
designed to make sure it meets.

998
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:27,280
There's a lot of properties out there that you couldn't put a home on now because...

999
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:34,940
houses are burned and they flip the foundations that it might be wise to maybe get out there that if they could put a

1000
01:37:34,940 --> 01:37:42,800
200 square even in somebody's yard whatever yeah we left it there at 700 square feet for the image like as a default first

1001
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:48,800
standard dwelling on a single lot for now but the circumstances that you might have an

1002
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:53,260
undersized lot certainly you can go through a variance we've we've done amendments to reduce

1003
01:37:53,260 --> 01:37:56,680
sizes, if it's larger proposals, it comes forward.

1004
01:37:56,820 --> 01:37:59,260
So they just have to come up to the planning committee, I'd take it.

1005
01:37:59,420 --> 01:37:59,960
Okay, thank you.

1006
01:38:02,020 --> 01:38:04,400
Councillor McGrill, followed by Councillor Simo-Gregor.

1007
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:07,200
Thank you, Mayor Kenneth.

1008
01:38:08,020 --> 01:38:12,880
My one question was asked about what the fine, what affordability is.

1009
01:38:13,480 --> 01:38:24,720
But so just so I can recap this, when a group sets forward and says I want to build a new

1010
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:26,160
a part in the building.

1011
01:38:27,460 --> 01:38:35,600
Do we, are we now implementing that, okay, but a certain amount of these have to be affordable housing units?

1012
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:37,560
Rental, I'm talking about right now.

1013
01:38:38,260 --> 01:38:39,320
I'm not mandating that.

1014
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:40,260
Not currently, no.

1015
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:52,600
In order to become eligible for the major rental residential stream, the developer has to propose a building or development that contains at least 50 units.

1016
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:57,280
And then we mandate that there needs to be some of those.

1017
01:38:57,460 --> 01:38:58,900
No, no, we do not.

1018
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:04,660
We cannot, all of the developments that are participated in the major market residential

1019
01:39:04,660 --> 01:39:10,240
stream so far as far as I know are 100% market rental units.

1020
01:39:11,180 --> 01:39:13,100
Okay, so why have it we mandated that?

1021
01:39:14,020 --> 01:39:15,660
Just add to that, your worship.

1022
01:39:16,780 --> 01:39:20,640
There's subtle change in this particular version, the CIP versus the last.

1023
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:30,920
We were giving 100% over 10 years for those major rental market units to stimulate apartment growth in the community, which we've definitely seen.

1024
01:39:31,540 --> 01:39:47,760
What we're saying now, the rebate is still 100%, but only 70% will go back to the developer, and 30% of that tax rebate will go into a reserve essentially into housing services division to keep funding the affordable housing reserve.

1025
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:54,280
So it's another way to inspire affordable housing developments and fund our own bills.

1026
01:39:54,660 --> 01:39:55,080
Okay.

1027
01:39:55,160 --> 01:39:55,620
That makes sense.

1028
01:39:56,160 --> 01:39:56,880
Thank you.

1029
01:39:57,960 --> 01:39:59,220
Councillor SEMA-Gregor.

1030
01:40:00,360 --> 01:40:02,480
Thank you, and through the mayors.

1031
01:40:02,860 --> 01:40:04,000
Just a couple of questions.

1032
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:07,280
I want to go back to what I heard earlier.

1033
01:40:07,620 --> 01:40:13,460
So the seven out of four foot knee bills, would that, does that have to be a separate knee

1034
01:40:13,460 --> 01:40:30,880
would a grant flat over an existing garage that equated to 700 square feet, would that still count as a new build for somebody trying to say go down to the property to add for family?

1035
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:33,660
That's my first question.

1036
01:40:35,480 --> 01:40:39,180
That will qualify as an additional dwelling unit.

1037
01:40:40,180 --> 01:40:49,020
And as we've proposed in the housing bylaw, zoning bylaw, amendment in April, we've

1038
01:40:49,020 --> 01:40:55,580
essentially removed the minimum sizes for additional dwelling units from a municipal

1039
01:40:55,580 --> 01:40:59,960
regulatory standpoint, and we've actually deferred to building code on that.

1040
01:41:00,780 --> 01:41:24,440
So as long as the dwelling unit contains, I believe, a sleeping area, a washroom area, a kitchen area, and then has its own separate entrance, I believe those are the main criteria are for qualifying as an additional dwelling unit and achieving conformity with the building standards.

1041
01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:44,440
I just want to better definition on eligibility to downtown areas.

1042
01:41:44,720 --> 01:41:50,960
Are you talking like BIA areas or like I know in the area where we have businesses outside

1043
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:56,480
to BIA on the Wellington Street area on the far side of the river and we now have a

1044
01:41:56,480 --> 01:42:03,680
south side plan coming into place which so I would like a better definition of eligible

1045
01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:08,460
down in areas. Okay well thank you for the the question Councillor.

1046
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:18,880
Downtown areas have actually been defined in the appendix to the main report so near the end

1047
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:31,680
You will find 16 maps that have been created for primary residential areas or secondary urban areas and some of our hamlets.

1048
01:42:32,780 --> 01:42:48,860
So with regards to Wallaceburg, and these maps, I should say for the primary settlement areas, are based on our official plan mapping for downtown areas in the open.

1049
01:42:49,340 --> 01:42:56,360
So for Wallisburg, the boundaries of the downtown area would mirror that of the official plan.

1050
01:42:59,730 --> 01:43:03,550
Okay, yeah, I'm just going now. So I got into the by-law and got part with this by-law.

1051
01:43:04,270 --> 01:43:10,530
And I'm sorry, I didn't realize that these were at the very end of the, so that it is well-entangled with this.

1052
01:43:11,010 --> 01:43:18,230
Okay, but that does, it looks like it covers a very small piece of the portion

1053
01:43:18,930 --> 01:43:24,610
across the Sinham River on the Kay Street. It

1054
01:43:27,070 --> 01:43:30,250
doesn't run parallel up to Murray Street,

1055
01:43:30,410 --> 01:43:39,550
which is a concern. It covers some Herbert to maybe, what does it say here, Bridge Street

1056
01:43:39,550 --> 01:43:43,430
and just a couple past there, which is kind of an issue in our area and we're doing a

1057
01:43:43,430 --> 01:43:48,650
suicide plan and that goes all the way up to Murray Street. So is there any way to look

1058
01:43:48,650 --> 01:43:56,190
look at that or is there a possibility of amending that somewhat to include the other

1059
01:43:56,190 --> 01:44:01,890
suicide, which is, or even including what we've incorporated into the suicide plan.

1060
01:44:08,470 --> 01:44:09,490
Thank you, Your Worship.

1061
01:44:11,310 --> 01:44:16,850
I think we could amend it, looking at it myself, too, and keep in mind that it just applies

1062
01:44:16,850 --> 01:44:23,210
to the commercial component of the CIP, so it doesn't impact any residential aspects.

1063
01:44:23,210 --> 01:44:34,010
But yeah, I know I hear what you're saying I think it could we could entertain emotions to simply amend the map to me or the commercial.

1064
01:44:35,430 --> 01:44:43,870
We haven't brought the final plan back yet, but the commercial areas of the so side plan I think would be simple to do.

1065
01:44:45,170 --> 01:44:50,510
It's probably simpler to do it now than to have to bring it all back later, so so if I could

1066
01:44:50,510 --> 01:44:56,850
end it time and a motion to then change the at least for the wall is for Gary up to the

1067
01:44:56,850 --> 01:44:59,690
Murray Street area where it fits in with us.

1068
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:15,360
I understand for the back of the south side plan is more housing, residential, and other areas, but I'm more interested in the downtown areas because it's still unknown what will happen up to the Murray Street Bridge on the south side plan.

1069
01:45:17,460 --> 01:45:29,580
Councillor Scotch, are you good with the amendment? Thank you, Mayor Canif. I guess without be looking at all of the downtown areas because the blend of areas is the same thing. There's some components on the fringe area as well.

1070
01:45:29,580 --> 01:45:33,080
I also, I mean, I'd hate to just look at one specific area

1071
01:45:33,080 --> 01:45:34,900
because I had the same kind of questions

1072
01:45:34,900 --> 01:45:35,580
in regards to them.

1073
01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:38,680
I'm just, is that possible to just revisit the map?

1074
01:45:40,420 --> 01:45:43,540
I asked, are you in a process of a suicide plan?

1075
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:48,200
In that area, I'm just, I know our suicide plan

1076
01:45:48,860 --> 01:45:51,500
has up to Murray Street Incorporated,

1077
01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:54,180
which I know hasn't passed yet.

1078
01:45:54,840 --> 01:45:57,340
And if it needs to come back at a later date, that's fine.

1079
01:45:57,340 --> 01:46:01,860
but I want to make sure that that little slice is not missed out within our

1080
01:46:01,860 --> 01:46:02,680
self-by-paying.

1081
01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:08,280
First, go ahead. Yeah, thank you, your worship. But I would

1082
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:13,120
suggest to Councilman Gregor's point. That is true. It's been done under a new

1083
01:46:13,120 --> 01:46:19,360
secondary plan. I would suggest that we can look at the other downtown areas as

1084
01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:22,460
part of kind of the next phase to see if any tweaks need to be done and come

1085
01:46:22,460 --> 01:46:28,060
back at that point. But the part of changing it per se is these are the areas that

1086
01:46:28,060 --> 01:46:33,540
are identified in our official plan now, so you're changing things on the fly without

1087
01:46:33,540 --> 01:46:35,960
any real policy context is my point.

1088
01:46:37,460 --> 01:46:42,400
So is this something you can come back with at a future date to look at all communities

1089
01:46:42,400 --> 01:46:46,480
and see if there's anything else like the south side plans or something that's applicable

1090
01:46:46,480 --> 01:46:47,300
to other communities?

1091
01:46:47,780 --> 01:46:47,920
Yeah.

1092
01:46:48,120 --> 01:46:52,140
I would suggest entertaining Councillor McGregor's motion to deal with the Wallsburg one.

1093
01:46:52,140 --> 01:47:00,860
And we know what that's going to be defined as and at this stage and we'll come back as part of our next review assuming council wants us to do that.

1094
01:47:01,440 --> 01:47:02,880
It's part of recommendation number two.

1095
01:47:04,320 --> 01:47:08,960
Okay, so the motionals state is without the amendment from Councillor Sima Gregor then.

1096
01:47:12,050 --> 01:47:14,790
Can I then entertain a separate motion after this?

1097
01:47:15,770 --> 01:47:16,250
Yes.

1098
01:47:17,430 --> 01:47:18,310
Thank you.

1099
01:47:21,480 --> 01:47:26,140
I'm not opposed to the number three, sorry, to Councillor McGregor's thing.

1100
01:47:26,320 --> 01:47:30,640
I was just curious because there's also the aspect of the Wheatley aspects that we're

1101
01:47:30,640 --> 01:47:31,540
talking about as well.

1102
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:35,300
One of them is growing substantially, so I just needed to know that there was a mechanism

1103
01:47:35,300 --> 01:47:43,120
in place that if these areas start to strategically grow, this motion here is not going to be basically

1104
01:47:43,120 --> 01:47:44,280
cut or dry we have to go.

1105
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:46,540
So I'm okay with adding Councillor McGregor's, include that.

1106
01:47:46,540 --> 01:47:51,780
What Bruce's response was that they would look at that is enough for me to say that that's

1107
01:47:51,780 --> 01:47:56,220
I'm okay with it from the amendment. Councillor Doyle, are you good with the amendment

1108
01:47:56,220 --> 01:48:01,860
as well, Councillor Doyle? Okay, the Bruce few. I was just going to comment one more

1109
01:48:01,860 --> 01:48:10,000
time on that. Certainly, we'll continue to look at the CIP. You know, enhancements to

1110
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:14,860
weekly downtown potentially are something I think needs to come out of further work again,

1111
01:48:14,860 --> 01:48:16,720
and then we come back to council.

1112
01:48:17,140 --> 01:48:18,420
There's always an opportunity to come back

1113
01:48:18,420 --> 01:48:20,120
and trigger at the CIP amendments, right?

1114
01:48:20,360 --> 01:48:25,290
So, okay, seeing all the questions then,

1115
01:48:25,410 --> 01:48:25,970
we'll put it to vote.

1116
01:48:27,110 --> 01:48:30,070
Just need a minute to put the small amendment on there.

1117
01:48:35,950 --> 01:48:37,910
Bruce, to ensure that we captured it properly,

1118
01:48:37,910 --> 01:48:40,510
if we say something to amend the Wallisburg boundary map

1119
01:48:40,510 --> 01:48:42,010
to include up to Murray Street,

1120
01:48:42,210 --> 01:48:44,530
to reflect the Wallisburg Southside plan, does that work?

1121
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:55,340
I'd even keep it simpler,

1122
01:48:55,340 --> 01:48:57,580
your words should just say amend the Wallisburg boundary map

1123
01:48:57,580 --> 01:49:03,180
to include the areas identified in the Walshburg Southside plan.

1124
01:49:04,480 --> 01:49:05,160
All

1125
01:49:27,080 --> 01:49:28,920
right, with that, we'll put it to vote.

1126
01:49:32,750 --> 01:49:36,810
Councillor Bondy. Yes. Councillor Carmen McGregor.

1127
01:49:37,410 --> 01:49:41,790
Yes. All votes are in. Motion passes 17-0.

1128
01:49:45,060 --> 01:49:48,180
16-B. Municipal housing pledges and targets,

1129
01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:50,900
strong mayor powers and building faster fund.

1130
01:49:51,980 --> 01:49:55,400
Councillor Cima Gregor and Councillor Doyle, can I get you with this on the floor please?

1131
01:50:03,220 --> 01:50:08,680
All right, so we have Councillor Cima Gregor, the floor is yours and then Councillor Doyle

1132
01:50:08,680 --> 01:50:09,460
to you.

1133
01:50:10,480 --> 01:50:11,040
Thank you.

1134
01:50:11,240 --> 01:50:12,200
Thank you, and through the mayors.

1135
01:50:14,280 --> 01:50:19,600
And yeah, I spent a lot of time looking at this, even from before it was offered within

1136
01:50:20,660 --> 01:50:30,660
And I have some great concerns with this motion or this direction that is being brought down by the province.

1137
01:50:31,240 --> 01:50:48,200
I certainly do not have any, and I'll put it right up front. I have absolutely no qualms with with moving forward with some of this under the direction of

1138
01:50:48,200 --> 01:50:53,640
make for our council. I have concerns with the future and the future of democracy for

1139
01:50:53,640 --> 01:51:03,040
all of council and our ability to properly represent our communities. In the document,

1140
01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:10,840
it is more than just housing. There are other powers added to this, including assigning duties

1141
01:51:10,840 --> 01:51:17,640
to the CAO hiring or dismiss ahead of any division or the head of any part of the organizational

1142
01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:23,260
structural structure. Determining municipal organizational structure, making requests

1143
01:51:23,260 --> 01:51:29,660
of administration to undertake research and provide advice like that part I don't mind.

1144
01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:39,260
The beetle powers, which I know are two thirds, which are here or there. There's also the ability

1145
01:51:39,260 --> 01:51:45,440
of a man to select committees and appoint chairs. So there's some of the other parts of this

1146
01:51:45,440 --> 01:51:54,980
legislation that are not being put forward to properly by the province. And to me, they're

1147
01:51:54,980 --> 01:52:00,540
doing it within incentives by giving us money to build homes. If I look at the report

1148
01:52:00,540 --> 01:52:04,140
and I look back and I would ask that maybe Mr.

1149
01:52:06,460 --> 01:52:09,900
Yamsquim please clarify my thoughts here.

1150
01:52:14,660 --> 01:52:15,420
But

1151
01:52:15,420 --> 01:52:23,420
housing directives, based on what the province would give us, is somewhere between $350,000 per year,

1152
01:52:23,880 --> 01:52:30,560
which he is one house maybe, a year building, maybe a number of units. But to me,

1153
01:52:31,140 --> 01:52:37,000
I'm not sure that I'm willing to sell my soul for the price of a house or two to lose my

1154
01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:43,240
democratic rights as a counselor and be able to represent my community. So I'm really struggling with

1155
01:52:43,240 --> 01:52:55,640
Yes, and I talked to the mayor about this and again, I will reiterate it is absolutely nothing to do with our current mayor because I have full trust in him and in running our community, but I do have

1156
01:52:57,280 --> 01:53:04,780
reservations about the future of the democracy of the ability of a counselor to make decisions around the table moving forward.

1157
01:53:04,780 --> 01:53:09,600
So I will, I'll put that out there and I'm hoping that I will be able to wrap up after

1158
01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:10,440
those other comments.

1159
01:53:10,820 --> 01:53:16,820
But as it is for the amount that I think that Chatham Kent would reap the benefit of,

1160
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:19,960
I can't support you at this point of time.

1161
01:53:20,660 --> 01:53:21,280
Thank you.

1162
01:53:22,500 --> 01:53:23,300
Councillor Doyle?

1163
01:53:24,600 --> 01:53:27,400
Sorry, for Councillor Doyle, followed by Councillor Jubil.

1164
01:53:28,700 --> 01:53:29,580
Thank you, Mayor, Councillor.

1165
01:53:31,780 --> 01:53:34,840
And, Carmen, I think what you said was perfect.

1166
01:53:35,320 --> 01:53:37,420
I agree with pretty much every single thing you said.

1167
01:53:38,040 --> 01:53:42,500
To me, again, I don't think to get that amount of money over three years,

1168
01:53:43,000 --> 01:53:49,660
it doesn't seem like that amount of money for us to give up our kind of municipal democracy

1169
01:53:49,660 --> 01:53:54,560
that we have to make decisions for ourselves as opposed to the province telling us what we should be doing.

1170
01:53:55,480 --> 01:53:56,980
I don't really agree with that.

1171
01:54:00,500 --> 01:54:04,220
and you hear it from people when you're talking all the time that back before

1172
01:54:04,220 --> 01:54:08,760
amalgamation, all little communities had more say amongst themselves than a

1173
01:54:08,760 --> 01:54:13,340
lot of them liked it and then we amalgamated and now it seemed to be a little

1174
01:54:13,340 --> 01:54:18,800
less control over their small little towns and now if we do this it just seems

1175
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:22,540
like it's one more step towards giving more power to the province and us keeping

1176
01:54:22,540 --> 01:54:26,760
less power and I think we know what to do better at our municipality than the

1177
01:54:26,760 --> 01:54:33,900
province does and the fact that this keeps changing and it doesn't seem like all the

1178
01:54:34,300 --> 01:54:39,300
information is out there yet and they want us to sign up already. Just doesn't, I got

1179
01:54:39,300 --> 01:54:43,820
a really bad gut feeling about what's coming down the line and Darren I support what you're

1180
01:54:43,820 --> 01:54:48,580
doing and I think you will make the best decision for our community but again I don't know who's

1181
01:54:48,580 --> 01:54:53,540
going to be after you whenever that is and I don't I don't want to put all my faith in them

1182
01:54:53,540 --> 01:54:55,440
So, I won't be supporting this either.

1183
01:54:57,660 --> 01:54:58,760
Councillor Juvenile.

1184
01:55:00,900 --> 01:55:01,460
Thank you, Mayor.

1185
01:55:02,200 --> 01:55:06,460
And I am echoing Councillor McGregor and Doyle.

1186
01:55:07,120 --> 01:55:13,360
I feel this legislation is an erosion of democracy and to be quite frank, it scares me.

1187
01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:18,440
Many of my constituents are concerned with the potential impact of this legislation on

1188
01:55:18,440 --> 01:55:19,180
our municipality.

1189
01:55:20,240 --> 01:55:24,380
And for that reason, we as a council should not take it lightly when discussing this.

1190
01:55:24,380 --> 01:55:34,060
While I mean no disrespect to our own mayor, and I do have the utmost faith in him, I do believe this unilateral power should not be extended to any mayor.

1191
01:55:34,520 --> 01:55:42,000
This legislation completely negates the purpose of council, and it strips away the rights of the duly elected.

1192
01:55:42,380 --> 01:55:46,780
Municipal representatives invest the voices of our constituents.

1193
01:55:47,440 --> 01:55:53,780
I'm not suggesting that if these powers were extended to CK, that Mayor Canif would use them or abuse them.

1194
01:55:54,480 --> 01:56:09,740
But if the province imposes Mayor Canif or any mayor to use them, he or any mayor would not have a choice and must follow through with the pledge to the province that he must uphold it if he agrees and signs it.

1195
01:56:09,740 --> 01:56:15,540
But for now, it's been imposed under the guise of housing, but what's stopping the province

1196
01:56:15,540 --> 01:56:17,300
from taking it down the slope further?

1197
01:56:17,820 --> 01:56:21,760
What if they want mayors to hold powers over the municipalities and other sectors, public

1198
01:56:21,760 --> 01:56:27,340
health, transportation, policing, by-law enforcement, planning, expropriation?

1199
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:32,720
What if this is the vehicle being used to implement 15-minute cities and our municipalities across

1200
01:56:32,720 --> 01:56:33,320
the province?

1201
01:56:33,620 --> 01:56:34,560
The list goes on.

1202
01:56:35,040 --> 01:56:39,720
I am against giving such great powers to one individual no matter who that person made

1203
01:56:39,720 --> 01:56:47,560
be and under any reasoning. It is anti-democratic and leads us down a slippery slope. What is the purpose

1204
01:56:47,560 --> 01:56:55,000
of having an elected council if the mayor can easily override or veto our decisions? What makes me

1205
01:56:55,000 --> 01:57:01,340
extremely nervous is if this was truly only about increased housing, why is the province not simply

1206
01:57:01,340 --> 01:57:06,760
just sharing the incentives with the municipalities so they can tap into them on their own accord and leave

1207
01:57:06,760 --> 01:57:11,440
it at that. Why do they need to go one step further with the imposed strong mere powers?

1208
01:57:12,200 --> 01:57:16,620
It seems like governmental overreach. If there is money on the table for municipalities

1209
01:57:16,620 --> 01:57:21,860
to obtain from provincial funds, through incentives by committing and writing to achieving certain

1210
01:57:21,860 --> 01:57:27,680
housing targets set by the province, why do they need to go any further? If the municipalities

1211
01:57:27,680 --> 01:57:33,060
achieve 80% of their goal, they will be able to access funding. If they don't, then no funding.

1212
01:57:33,060 --> 01:57:37,400
In our situation, here in Chatham Kent, we have the potential of receiving funding over

1213
01:57:37,400 --> 01:57:41,720
the next three years, and the amount of 900,000 to a little over 1 million.

1214
01:57:41,980 --> 01:57:45,680
This is all great news in an economic market where housing is greatly needed.

1215
01:57:46,120 --> 01:57:49,820
I support that aspect, but I don't support the strong mayor power's condition, which

1216
01:57:49,820 --> 01:57:50,600
accompanies it.

1217
01:57:51,000 --> 01:57:55,200
It is not needed to work through housing goals, targets and achievements.

1218
01:57:55,940 --> 01:58:00,180
Chatham Kent should be very leery of a provincial government that wants to hold this much power

1219
01:58:00,180 --> 01:58:04,300
over our mayor and thus our council and thereby our residents.

1220
01:58:05,840 --> 01:58:12,340
So if we don't agree to it, I just want to confirm, does that mean that the mayor doesn't

1221
01:58:12,340 --> 01:58:14,840
sign the pledge or how does that work?

1222
01:58:16,100 --> 01:58:20,260
And there doesn't seem to be an end date to the strong mayor powers.

1223
01:58:20,520 --> 01:58:25,520
So is this like a never ending power that will be implemented in councils across Ontario?

1224
01:58:26,180 --> 01:58:28,320
And then it speaks of provincial priorities.

1225
01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:33,040
these and what they are currently, they use the word currently, but what happens when

1226
01:58:33,040 --> 01:58:34,340
those priorities change?

1227
01:58:34,680 --> 01:58:38,620
How does that affect us without even knowing what these priorities are?

1228
01:58:39,500 --> 01:58:44,040
And if we do proceed with the strong mayor powers legislation does not require the mayor

1229
01:58:44,040 --> 01:58:50,200
to provide any written notice of his or her decisions to counsel, clerk or EMT.

1230
01:58:50,460 --> 01:58:56,040
If this does proceed, we need to develop a policy of mayor can of decisions that will be visible

1231
01:58:56,040 --> 01:58:59,260
and transparent to the public. Thank you.

1232
01:59:09,600 --> 01:59:13,420
I see no other questions on this.

1233
01:59:16,100 --> 01:59:19,480
Do you want to comment Dave on any of the, should there

1234
01:59:19,480 --> 01:59:21,040
were some questions in there just to clarify.

1235
01:59:23,380 --> 01:59:24,700
Thank you, Mayor Canter. I wasn't clear

1236
01:59:24,700 --> 01:59:27,500
whether Councillor Juvenile was getting ready. I wasn't clear whether Councillor Juvenile

1237
01:59:27,500 --> 01:59:30,520
actually wanted those questions answered or whether there was more about you as speaking.

1238
01:59:30,900 --> 01:59:34,720
So that's why I was just getting prepared. So do you want me to answer those questions?

1239
01:59:35,900 --> 01:59:37,020
Yes, yes, please.

1240
01:59:37,820 --> 01:59:41,900
Okay, there was a number of them in their councilor, Mr. Mayor, through you, so I'll try to cover

1241
01:59:41,900 --> 01:59:45,000
the ones that I can, and I miss a couple if you could help me with the reminder.

1242
01:59:46,020 --> 01:59:48,880
So the first is on the matter of provincial priorities.

1243
01:59:49,760 --> 01:59:53,300
So just to the audience, my name is David Taylor, I'm Director of Legal Services.

1244
01:59:54,740 --> 01:59:59,340
The provincial priorities are laid out in a regulation right now under the Municipal Act.

1245
01:59:59,340 --> 01:59:59,900
And...

1246
02:00:00,080 --> 02:00:30,060
And under the way that legislation works, the minister could add different provincial priorities. So there is a possibility for changes to provincial priorities in the future. As of right now, all of the narrative has been from the province. It's really about meeting the 1.5 million homes goal. You also talked about an end date to that. And we haven't heard anything from the province to indicate any sort of end date. They would be putting these structures in power to achieve those goals. We have no kind of visibility on whether there would be an end date to these parties.

1247
02:00:30,060 --> 02:00:32,060
If you can help me remember the other questions.

1248
02:00:36,980 --> 02:00:37,100
Maybe.

1249
02:00:39,040 --> 02:00:47,440
Well I just wanted to confirm that if we do go ahead with it that we will develop a policy that will be transparent to the public.

1250
02:00:47,800 --> 02:00:55,400
Because it states that we don't have to do that or the mayor doesn't have to do that with any of the decisions that he makes.

1251
02:00:56,200 --> 02:01:03,720
and I know he doesn't need a resolution from council, so I just didn't know how this was.

1252
02:01:05,000 --> 02:01:11,200
Like, are we voting on this or is it just how are we ending it? I guess is what I'm asking.

1253
02:01:11,940 --> 02:01:15,340
Thank you, Mr. Mayor, and thank you, Councillor, for the clarification there.

1254
02:01:15,840 --> 02:01:25,000
So, the way that province has communicated it to date, we received a letter and this is consistent with what the premier had said at the Association of Miscellaneous Ontario.

1255
02:01:26,240 --> 02:01:31,560
conference in the, there had been a previous version in which the mayor's powers only would

1256
02:01:31,560 --> 02:01:37,380
come if council passed this housing pledge. The province has revised that now. And the

1257
02:01:37,380 --> 02:01:42,900
question is whether or not the mayor submits his commitment and that's what ties to the

1258
02:01:42,900 --> 02:01:48,620
strong mayor powers. So if council doesn't pass this, that doesn't actually say whether

1259
02:01:48,620 --> 02:01:53,380
the strong mayor powers will be granted or not granted. That's not what the, what the

1260
02:01:53,380 --> 02:01:54,980
the provinces looking for.

1261
02:01:58,820 --> 02:01:59,540
Thank you.

1262
02:02:02,270 --> 02:02:03,250
Councillor Story.

1263
02:02:03,670 --> 02:02:04,690
Call it forward by Councillor Hall.

1264
02:02:08,300 --> 02:02:08,940
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1265
02:02:09,120 --> 02:02:11,600
I just raised a question to Bruce, I believe.

1266
02:02:12,280 --> 02:02:20,000
So, if I'm reading your report correctly, you believe in your professional opinion, based on

1267
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:23,720
the housing starts we've already seen in the last several years and going forward, we're

1268
02:02:23,720 --> 02:02:28,380
already on target to meet those numbers without the strong mayor powers.

1269
02:02:33,530 --> 02:02:46,330
That's correct if my understanding is they would essentially start the targets this year for 2023 and it goes out to 2031 so it's nine years.

1270
02:02:47,050 --> 02:02:53,330
If you do the math of 1100 that works out to what did I say 1112 units a year.

1271
02:02:53,590 --> 02:02:59,790
We've surprised that even in our slow years back 10 years ago we were doing not a whole lot more in that frankly,

1272
02:02:59,790 --> 02:03:00,970
but we were doing more than that.

1273
02:03:00,970 --> 02:03:09,430
Last, you can see in the report, we're averaging 500 since 21, 22, and today through 23 per

1274
02:03:09,430 --> 02:03:09,650
year.

1275
02:03:11,470 --> 02:03:11,950
Thank you.

1276
02:03:12,050 --> 02:03:17,550
So we're already surpassed the target for 23 to be, to be clear, if we could just submit.

1277
02:03:17,870 --> 02:03:21,830
So we're already meeting the targets and exceeding them in many cases without taking a sledgehammer

1278
02:03:21,830 --> 02:03:22,550
to democracy.

1279
02:03:28,460 --> 02:03:30,500
Councillor Hall, followed by Councillor Bondi.

1280
02:03:31,780 --> 02:03:37,020
Just a quick question for clarification, I know we have a recommendation in front of

1281
02:03:37,020 --> 02:03:37,260
us.

1282
02:03:37,720 --> 02:03:43,120
I just want to confirm that we're not committed to anything right now except for staff

1283
02:03:43,120 --> 02:03:45,760
to work on a housing pledge to come back to council.

1284
02:03:46,160 --> 02:03:50,120
We're going to be able to finalize that and vote on it and have another discussion on

1285
02:03:50,120 --> 02:03:50,220
it.

1286
02:03:50,320 --> 02:03:51,640
We're going to take a look at that, right?

1287
02:03:51,880 --> 02:03:58,200
We're not making any final decision on any of this except for we're going to direct

1288
02:04:03,000 --> 02:04:09,960
That is correct, the recommendation is for Council whether they want an administration

1289
02:04:09,960 --> 02:04:13,200
to work on a housing pledge as Dave noted earlier.

1290
02:04:14,020 --> 02:04:22,160
The strong mayors in the actual funding are really subject to the head of Council submitting

1291
02:04:22,160 --> 02:04:26,020
and writing whether we're going to meet the target or not by October 15th.

1292
02:04:26,020 --> 02:04:30,160
The pledge is, really, it's just kind of an endorsement.

1293
02:04:30,240 --> 02:04:38,540
I'll call it a public endorsement of what we're doing is a mispality, you know, to create more housing in the future.

1294
02:04:39,280 --> 02:04:42,320
We just need time to get going on it, frankly, if we're going to do it or not.

1295
02:04:44,060 --> 02:04:44,780
Councillor Bondy.

1296
02:04:47,320 --> 02:04:48,260
Can you hear me?

1297
02:04:49,840 --> 02:04:50,480
Yes, we can.

1298
02:04:51,440 --> 02:04:51,920
Okay, thank you.

1299
02:04:52,960 --> 02:04:53,880
Again, thank you, Mayor Kim.

1300
02:04:53,880 --> 02:05:01,460
So my question is, we're going to make this pledge this evening, which presumably we will do.

1301
02:05:02,880 --> 02:05:12,180
But I don't really see the utility in what we're doing tonight because it's council votes more of this.

1302
02:05:12,380 --> 02:05:21,100
It's really mere can of decision to comply with strong mayor powers through the province.

1303
02:05:21,100 --> 02:05:25,580
So what council does tonight, all we're doing is effectively

1304
02:05:25,580 --> 02:05:29,660
endorsing a housing pledge, which clearly I don't think we'll

1305
02:05:29,660 --> 02:05:32,780
be able to do with not endorse because that's something that's

1306
02:05:32,780 --> 02:05:35,160
been a priority of this community and every other community.

1307
02:05:36,800 --> 02:05:41,080
Many probably, at least years, so clear

1308
02:05:43,920 --> 02:05:44,600
that up for me.

1309
02:05:45,000 --> 02:05:46,360
What are we actually endorsing?

1310
02:05:46,440 --> 02:05:51,080
Is this a re-endorcing tonight a housing pledge or a strong

1311
02:05:54,870 --> 02:05:57,330
Thank you, Mr. Mayor, thank you, Councillor for the question.

1312
02:05:57,610 --> 02:06:01,430
So no, you are not endorsing a strong mayor powers pledge.

1313
02:06:01,950 --> 02:06:07,030
The province really sent us a letter that was provided to council that really broke

1314
02:06:07,030 --> 02:06:11,170
these two things out into two different time periods and two different processes.

1315
02:06:11,710 --> 02:06:18,190
So one of them is that by the middle of October, the mayor is to respond to the province whether

1316
02:06:18,190 --> 02:06:24,490
he has made a commitment to meet the housing goals, and if so, the strong air powers would

1317
02:06:24,490 --> 02:06:25,930
be provided to Chatham Kent.

1318
02:06:26,730 --> 02:06:28,110
Kind of separate from that.

1319
02:06:29,130 --> 02:06:34,170
The province has also asked that the municipality submit a housing pledge, and the direction tonight

1320
02:06:34,170 --> 02:06:40,010
is to provide administration with direction to go away, produce that housing pledge, and

1321
02:06:40,010 --> 02:06:42,010
return in the time periods indicated in the motion.

1322
02:06:42,510 --> 02:06:47,010
So while these two concepts in a previous version of extending strong air powers were kind

1323
02:06:47,010 --> 02:06:51,370
of wrap together. The province has now separated these out. I hope that helps Councillor

1324
02:06:51,370 --> 02:06:54,850
and understanding the motion tonight. It's really just as Councillor Hall described

1325
02:06:54,850 --> 02:06:59,230
in Mr. McAllister indicated, it's sending administration a way to start preparing that

1326
02:06:59,230 --> 02:07:01,730
housing pledge and return to council with that.

1327
02:07:04,590 --> 02:07:11,810
Great. It's really American. Thanks. So the strong mayor's powers isn't really not really

1328
02:07:11,810 --> 02:07:16,010
what we're talking about to see. It's more of a housing pledge.

1329
02:07:19,730 --> 02:07:26,810
That's correct, Councillor. Obviously they have some connection to each other because they were dealt with in the same letter, but that's correct.

1330
02:07:28,350 --> 02:07:30,470
Councillor Signaggi, followed by Councillor B. McGregor.

1331
02:07:31,250 --> 02:07:36,930
Thank you, Mayor Cain. If I just wanted to see the, since we're not actually voting on the strong mayor powers and we're voting on the housing pledge,

1332
02:07:37,030 --> 02:07:42,070
I just wanted to hear how it would affect us if we didn't prepare the housing pledge.

1333
02:07:42,530 --> 02:07:47,030
If there would be any effect at all, or it would be something that would be detrimental to our municipality.

1334
02:07:56,190 --> 02:08:04,110
The housing pledge is not legislative in nature, it's not a policy document, it's really just to show the strategies.

1335
02:08:04,670 --> 02:08:21,010
Now, line what the municipality is doing, I think it's to show support to the province in terms of being able to demonstrate what is the municipality of doing to create housing with the goal of 1.5 million homes in Ontario over the next 10 years.

1336
02:08:21,010 --> 02:08:29,250
10 years. Other than that, it really has no, it doesn't bind council to anything other

1337
02:08:29,250 --> 02:08:33,430
than it's a pledge and we would, I think it's not a bad idea just to track and for the

1338
02:08:33,430 --> 02:08:36,150
public to understand all the things that we are doing because we have done a lot of things.

1339
02:08:36,350 --> 02:08:41,010
You just, we just went through one, the item before, that we've been doing the last four

1340
02:08:41,010 --> 02:08:45,870
years, for instance, to increase housing in the community. So, just more curious if we're

1341
02:08:45,870 --> 02:08:50,250
applying for different, you know, funds or different grants that may be out there if they're

1342
02:08:50,250 --> 02:08:53,390
We're going to be looking at a housing pledge as a document.

1343
02:08:53,390 --> 02:09:04,510
I know it's an official document, but are they going to be looking at that as part of our portfolio to invest in different types of housings, or if there's different types of applications that are coming from the province to incentivize housing?

1344
02:09:05,390 --> 02:09:06,390
Thank you, your worship.

1345
02:09:06,770 --> 02:09:19,590
I can't sit here and tell you for sure right now, but I would suggest if you do have a pledge, at least if I was just something to demonstrate to the province that you're working on the goal of 1.5 million dollar homes and

1346
02:09:19,590 --> 02:09:20,470
cases, other funding.

1347
02:09:21,430 --> 02:09:25,110
Even with this, what they call this bill, faster fund.

1348
02:09:25,610 --> 02:09:29,070
They haven't really really sold the details on how those funds could be used.

1349
02:09:29,590 --> 02:09:31,890
It could be for capital investments and infrastructure.

1350
02:09:32,130 --> 02:09:36,350
It could be, you know, other studies are in San Luis, but we don't have those details yet.

1351
02:09:42,240 --> 02:09:44,380
Councilor B. McGregor, followed by Councilor McGregor.

1352
02:09:45,020 --> 02:09:46,100
Thank you, Mayor Caniff.

1353
02:09:47,060 --> 02:09:51,560
I don't think it's surprising that the province's plans on housing are causing a little confusion tonight.

1354
02:09:53,360 --> 02:09:56,540
So I'm glad to hear that they've sort of decoupled the strong

1355
02:09:56,540 --> 02:10:00,660
Mayer powers from the housing pledge and I think that you know it's pretty clear we'll make that housing pledge

1356
02:10:01,240 --> 02:10:05,960
Rather or that those those quotas pretty quickly in chat and can and hopefully can access that funding

1357
02:10:06,620 --> 02:10:12,380
But I you know I do hear a lot of apprehension about the strong mayer powers which I think we heard quite a bit about at the

1358
02:10:12,380 --> 02:10:15,300
AIMO conference and many individuals shared those concerns

1359
02:10:15,840 --> 02:10:19,660
So not to put you on the spot but wanted to ask to share how they might feel about

1360
02:10:20,580 --> 02:10:25,620
signing up for those powers. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Bimograger.

1361
02:10:26,480 --> 02:10:31,160
Yes, so it's a very convoluted process, as we've seen. I mean, the rules have changed

1362
02:10:31,160 --> 02:10:36,740
a few times and recently it's announced that, yes, I could proceed on without Council proving

1363
02:10:36,740 --> 02:10:43,300
anything I could send it in a pledge and say, thanks for the money. However, I'm not going

1364
02:10:43,300 --> 02:10:51,580
do that. If council does not want the mayor powers, I will not submit it. However, I think

1365
02:10:51,580 --> 02:10:56,580
we have an opportunity to have our cake and eat it too, and that I would suggest that

1366
02:10:56,580 --> 02:11:02,520
I submit, because I have to submit by October 15th saying yes or no, because if I don't,

1367
02:11:02,580 --> 02:11:07,320
it doesn't matter the December pledge, the money there doesn't matter. So I'm going to propose

1368
02:11:07,320 --> 02:11:11,700
that I submit the pledge and say we will commit to that, however we will decline the special

1369
02:11:11,700 --> 02:11:18,580
power for the mayor. So that would allow us to get the money, assuming they will accept that.

1370
02:11:19,180 --> 02:11:23,860
But I had no plan that when they start talking about special mayor powers and media was asking what I'm saying.

1371
02:11:24,460 --> 02:11:27,580
We work well together as a council, the democracy, those type of things.

1372
02:11:28,460 --> 02:11:30,860
I didn't see a place for it in Jadam Khan, it really didn't.

1373
02:11:31,300 --> 02:11:36,320
So to me, it's a pretty easy decision to say no to those powers.

1374
02:11:36,320 --> 02:11:49,840
So that's where I stand right now that if that helps the discussion a lot that we can agree to that, but when I submit, I will say we will accept the pledge, however, no powers.

1375
02:11:50,100 --> 02:11:51,740
We will decline the powers of the mayor.

1376
02:11:54,120 --> 02:11:54,460
Thank you.

1377
02:11:57,120 --> 02:11:59,080
Councillor McGregor, followed by Councillor Finne.

1378
02:12:00,140 --> 02:12:00,640
Thank you, Mayor.

1379
02:12:01,580 --> 02:12:03,140
You answered my question.

1380
02:12:03,440 --> 02:12:07,160
So with this pledge, this gives us the opportunity for the monies.

1381
02:12:07,160 --> 02:12:07,820
So

1382
02:12:13,870 --> 02:12:27,210
you worship the mayor to be eligible for the funding the mayor needs to commit to the housing targets of 1100 homes by October 15th.

1383
02:12:27,890 --> 02:12:32,250
And then subsequently you're expected to do the pledge by December 50th.

1384
02:12:34,360 --> 02:12:40,200
Okay, now you got me confused again. The pledge is the mayor's powers pledges that we're saying.

1385
02:12:40,200 --> 02:12:46,040
So committing to this by October makes us eligible for the monies.

1386
02:12:46,380 --> 02:12:59,400
Thank you, you worship all the, the committing by October 15th is just a commitment from the mayor telling the minister that we will commit to meeting our target of 1100 homes by 2031.

1387
02:13:00,220 --> 02:13:05,140
The pledge is more of a strategy document that aligns how you're going to do it.

1388
02:13:05,580 --> 02:13:06,300
I got you now.

1389
02:13:06,500 --> 02:13:07,420
Okay, thank you.

1390
02:13:09,100 --> 02:13:14,440
Councillor Finne. Thank you. Not that I don't believe you wouldn't

1391
02:13:14,440 --> 02:13:17,740
write that on a motion, but could we get your words on a motion?

1392
02:13:18,680 --> 02:13:23,820
I was just thinking that as I was looking there, I was thinking number two to say the mayor

1393
02:13:23,820 --> 02:13:28,660
will, what I said there, number two, the mayor will accept the pledge by October 15th with

1394
02:13:28,660 --> 02:13:35,340
decline the special powers. I'm good with putting that motion that I think it makes it really

1395
02:13:35,340 --> 02:13:40,980
easy for us to say we'll take the money. So we can add that in.

1396
02:14:24,780 --> 02:14:29,560
So with that, given that we've added something into the motion, I guess the mover and

1397
02:14:29,560 --> 02:14:35,240
seconder, if I could check with you to make sure that the mover and seconder is okay with

1398
02:14:35,240 --> 02:14:37,880
this amendment. Councillor Seymour Gregor.

1399
02:14:38,580 --> 02:14:43,680
Oh, Bruce. Go ahead. Thank you, your worship. I get his for clarity.

1400
02:14:43,680 --> 02:14:50,800
number two should say housing targets not pledged by October 15th.

1401
02:14:51,240 --> 02:14:56,760
Yeah, and you should, sorry, if I can just further clarify that.

1402
02:14:56,880 --> 02:14:59,040
So what that means is ultimately the pledge itself.

1403
02:14:59,040 --> 02:14:59,120
Oh

1404
02:15:00,180 --> 02:15:30,160
We'll have to come back to council. So really, the mayor's letter to the province would say that, you know, I'm accepting the targets, but council will submit a pledge by the end of December, whatever the date is in December, but I'm not accepting the strong mayor powers. Okay, so I want to make that clear because it doesn't end the discussion today because the pledge is still something that must be done by council. And that will be done

1405
02:15:30,160 --> 02:15:32,280
then later on as Mr. McAllister explained.

1406
02:15:35,060 --> 02:15:38,840
Okay, given the change, I will go back to the Councillor Seymour Gregor.

1407
02:15:39,160 --> 02:15:43,500
Are you okay with the amendment to the-

1408
02:15:43,500 --> 02:15:43,660
I

1409
02:15:48,330 --> 02:15:52,710
will say for everything we are getting on and going forward in all the people I've talked to.

1410
02:15:53,090 --> 02:15:58,450
And everything we've seen going on within the province in the last couple of weeks.

1411
02:15:59,470 --> 02:16:06,230
You know, this everything in this report just made me a little more on the secure future

1412
02:16:06,230 --> 02:16:13,430
democracy for the elected officials, so having this pardon in the better clarification, yes,

1413
02:16:13,750 --> 02:16:17,370
I can accept this as this is presented at this point.

1414
02:16:18,010 --> 02:16:22,330
And Councillor Doyle, as a seconder, are you good with this, if you have any other final thoughts

1415
02:16:22,330 --> 02:16:30,190
on this? Yeah, we can add that I do have a thought on that though. So, what happens if you write

1416
02:16:30,190 --> 02:16:35,410
your letter accepting the housing targets, declining the mayor powers, and the province says no?

1417
02:16:35,410 --> 02:16:40,790
Well, you either take the money and take the powers or you get neither.

1418
02:16:41,510 --> 02:16:42,210
What do we do then?

1419
02:16:42,830 --> 02:16:43,830
We have to come back then.

1420
02:16:44,150 --> 02:16:46,650
If that's the response, I will come back to council.

1421
02:16:47,450 --> 02:16:49,710
I'm not going to make this decision unilaterally.

1422
02:16:50,110 --> 02:16:51,270
This has to be a council decision.

1423
02:16:52,270 --> 02:16:52,430
Okay.

1424
02:16:52,590 --> 02:16:54,770
That's the only thing I was worried about is we start this process.

1425
02:16:55,390 --> 02:17:00,350
The public probably just says no and then we're already too far through this process to come

1426
02:17:00,350 --> 02:17:00,550
back.

1427
02:17:01,410 --> 02:17:01,590
Yes.

1428
02:17:01,590 --> 02:17:08,690
Yes, so I will endeavor to write the letter sooner rather than later, IE this week, and

1429
02:17:08,690 --> 02:17:13,770
so we'll hear back from the province fairly quickly, if it's anything but thank you very

1430
02:17:13,770 --> 02:17:14,050
much.

1431
02:17:14,170 --> 02:17:17,270
We'll accept that, and we'll accept the powers.

1432
02:17:17,690 --> 02:17:18,790
We will come back to council.

1433
02:17:30,620 --> 02:17:30,800
All right.

1434
02:17:31,340 --> 02:17:33,620
Seeing no other questions on this, we'll put it to both.

1435
02:17:36,010 --> 02:17:37,130
Councillor Sima Gregor.

1436
02:17:40,720 --> 02:17:41,180
Thank you.

1437
02:17:41,180 --> 02:17:47,540
And just before I say that, I was just going to finish up with just one, one follow-up comment.

1438
02:17:47,820 --> 02:17:53,660
And again, I would thank you, Mayor Kenneth, for your comment there.

1439
02:17:54,220 --> 02:17:58,680
He is exactly what I've thousand trusted with being in this position.

1440
02:17:58,680 --> 02:18:00,600
It was going forward in the future.

1441
02:18:00,860 --> 02:18:02,860
So just saying that, I will.

1442
02:18:03,160 --> 02:18:03,460
Oh, yes.

1443
02:18:04,060 --> 02:18:05,400
Thank you, Councillor Bondy.

1444
02:18:05,900 --> 02:18:06,420
Yes.

1445
02:18:07,920 --> 02:18:12,360
Councillor Doyle and Juvenville. Thank you.

1446
02:18:15,000 --> 02:18:17,700
So all votes are in, motion passes 13 to 4.

1447
02:18:23,060 --> 02:18:31,420
We're moving on to section 16G, motion of Councillor Pensano, the natural heritage strategy,

1448
02:18:31,540 --> 02:18:32,920
but Councillor, I just have a quick message.

1449
02:18:34,380 --> 02:18:38,420
Councillor, as you are aware that there are two motions on the same subject that are on the

1450
02:18:38,420 --> 02:18:39,320
agenda this evening.

1451
02:18:39,320 --> 02:18:44,320
It is likely necessary to talk about both while Councillors are making their points.

1452
02:18:44,660 --> 02:18:50,280
So procedurally, as clerk, I will not be so stickly about sticking to one motion versus

1453
02:18:50,280 --> 02:18:55,040
the other. So we will proceed with the discussion

1454
02:18:55,040 --> 02:18:59,160
and when the discussion is complete, we'll move to vote on Councillor Pinzano's motion first

1455
02:18:59,600 --> 02:19:03,360
and depending on the results, we'll move over to Councillor Hall's motion.

1456
02:19:03,580 --> 02:19:05,280
So I just wanted to clarify that at the beginning.

1457
02:19:05,280 --> 02:19:06,420
Okay,

1458
02:19:08,680 --> 02:19:12,380
we will go on to Councillor Pincino if you can read the motion.

1459
02:19:13,620 --> 02:19:17,660
Thank you, Worship. Where is the municipality implemented a temporary

1460
02:19:17,660 --> 02:19:23,860
clear-cutting by-law on April 26, 2021 with no end date? And where is the natural heritage

1461
02:19:23,860 --> 02:19:33,060
strategy work from July 3, 2014 until April 26, 2021? It resolved that council removed by-law

1462
02:19:33,060 --> 02:19:40,900
number 72-2021, the temporary clear-cutting by law, and reinstate the natural heritage

1463
02:19:40,900 --> 02:19:44,700
tax strategy. And if I get a second, or I get some comments, your

1464
02:19:44,700 --> 02:19:48,600
worship. Councillor Thompson? I'll second it.

1465
02:19:49,860 --> 02:19:50,820
Okay, Councillor Pincinal.

1466
02:19:52,860 --> 02:19:58,020
Thank you, your worship. 99% of farmers are good stewards of the land,

1467
02:19:58,020 --> 02:20:00,940
and they've been good stewards of land on some farms

1468
02:20:00,940 --> 02:20:02,280
for several generations.

1469
02:20:03,560 --> 02:20:06,700
Personally, I'd like to see incentives put up for woodlots.

1470
02:20:06,700 --> 02:20:10,300
I think that could help us somewhat

1471
02:20:10,300 --> 02:20:13,920
in this dilemma that we seem to face so regularly.

1472
02:20:15,760 --> 02:20:19,520
We need to reinstate the natural heritage strategy

1473
02:20:19,840 --> 02:20:22,020
and not only reinstate it but enhance it.

1474
02:20:23,320 --> 02:20:24,860
Over the last three council terms,

1475
02:20:24,860 --> 02:20:32,420
we've had consolation and public meetings on several occasions. I'm not sure how much

1476
02:20:32,420 --> 02:20:38,680
more input we can possibly get that hasn't already been brought up or discussed. Deputations

1477
02:20:38,680 --> 02:20:43,300
every time we go through this are pretty much the same and the sides haven't changed any.

1478
02:20:43,500 --> 02:20:48,940
They're pretty much exactly where they were on every occasion. And I believe we seriously

1479
02:20:48,940 --> 02:20:54,560
we need to deal with this tonight and stop picking the can down the road like we've done

1480
02:20:54,560 --> 02:21:02,460
for three councils now. There will be a motion likely to defer this and move to the

1481
02:21:02,460 --> 02:21:07,960
next one but I ask let's just deal with it tonight and be done with it. Thank you.

1482
02:21:09,680 --> 02:21:15,000
Councillor Thompson? Thank you very much. I just have a couple of quick

1483
02:21:15,000 --> 02:21:20,580
notes here that I wanted to bring up. Back on November 29th, 2021, I voted to extend

1484
02:21:20,580 --> 02:21:27,380
the temporary bylaw until April of 2022. I voted to extend it again in March of 2022.

1485
02:21:28,020 --> 02:21:32,640
That in July of 2022, I voted in favor of pausing the Natural Heritage Committee work

1486
02:21:32,640 --> 02:21:36,920
until the new Chamber of Council. Back on December 5th, Councilor Hall was appointed

1487
02:21:36,920 --> 02:21:41,100
chair, which to be honest was something I had totally forgotten, but that's okay.

1488
02:21:41,100 --> 02:21:45,240
Okay, December 12th, we received the report as a new council.

1489
02:21:47,040 --> 02:21:51,580
And then while some work has been done on the strategic plan, that's the last we've

1490
02:21:51,580 --> 02:21:52,360
ever moved on it.

1491
02:21:52,480 --> 02:21:53,500
And I don't think that's right.

1492
02:21:53,920 --> 02:21:55,420
I think that we have to wear that.

1493
02:21:55,540 --> 02:21:56,600
I think that's on us.

1494
02:21:57,040 --> 02:22:01,000
But I think the important thing was, is that it was supposed to be a temporary by-law.

1495
02:22:01,280 --> 02:22:01,940
It was put in place.

1496
02:22:02,500 --> 02:22:06,340
To be honest, there's a lot in a councilor Hall's motion I do like, actually.

1497
02:22:06,720 --> 02:22:08,880
I think we do need to deal with this issue.

1498
02:22:08,880 --> 02:22:17,260
I do think we need to recognize that there's a vested interest by both sides.

1499
02:22:17,480 --> 02:22:22,720
Both sides are very deeply entrenched and I think there's to be honest, still work that

1500
02:22:22,720 --> 02:22:23,360
needs to be done.

1501
02:22:23,460 --> 02:22:28,360
But I think we need to deal with it in a way that doesn't put undue pressure on one side

1502
02:22:28,360 --> 02:22:30,040
in support of another.

1503
02:22:30,540 --> 02:22:33,480
So I would like to support this.

1504
02:22:33,560 --> 02:22:34,600
I will be supporting this.

1505
02:22:34,600 --> 02:22:39,200
And I am interested to see what comes out of our future endeavors as we move forward

1506
02:22:39,200 --> 02:22:40,040
on this issue.

1507
02:22:40,320 --> 02:22:40,620
Thank you.

1508
02:22:43,290 --> 02:22:44,150
Councillor Doyle?

1509
02:22:45,650 --> 02:22:46,390
Thank you, Mayor.

1510
02:22:48,090 --> 02:22:53,390
And this is an issue I can definitely see both sides on and like Councillor Thompson said,

1511
02:22:53,510 --> 02:22:57,490
I can definitely see some good things in Councillor Hall's motion.

1512
02:22:59,230 --> 02:23:04,670
To me just being a Newark Councillor on here, we just keep approving more and more agriculture

1513
02:23:04,670 --> 02:23:08,850
culture land to be developed on and nobody seems to batten eye about that that we're giving

1514
02:23:08,850 --> 02:23:13,790
up agriculture land almost every planning meeting like fields of agriculture land. So we

1515
02:23:13,790 --> 02:23:19,130
have the same amount of land to grow, we have less land to grow the same amount of crop

1516
02:23:19,130 --> 02:23:25,790
and really because we're populations growing we have less land to grow more crop. So you

1517
02:23:25,790 --> 02:23:29,070
kind of got to give it to the farmers if they need to create a little more land so they can

1518
02:23:29,070 --> 02:23:33,910
grow the food so we can eat it. It seems like everyone except for farmers are allowed

1519
02:23:33,910 --> 02:23:36,730
had to take down trees, new highways allowed to take down trees,

1520
02:23:36,930 --> 02:23:39,310
high roads allowed to take down trees, developments allowed to take down trees,

1521
02:23:39,570 --> 02:23:43,830
but yet farmers who have been taking care of these for generations aren't allowed to touch them.

1522
02:23:45,770 --> 02:23:49,290
I've talked to multiple farmers who said that I would be not threatened with the bylaws.

1523
02:23:51,030 --> 02:23:55,370
The couple of times we've done it recently, there wouldn't have been as much clear cutting

1524
02:23:55,370 --> 02:24:00,750
because when the farmers got threatened that they were going to be told they might not be allowed to cut down

1525
02:24:00,750 --> 02:24:04,410
there would lots anymore. Well, because they didn't know what was going to happen, they

1526
02:24:04,410 --> 02:24:08,830
wouldn't cut them down. So when they had the opportunity to do it. So had we not made

1527
02:24:08,830 --> 02:24:13,870
those by-laws or threatened about the by-laws, we might have more trees now than we did than

1528
02:24:13,870 --> 02:24:18,270
we did then. Multiple farmers have also told me that they won't plant new trees now because

1529
02:24:18,270 --> 02:24:23,510
they aren't allowed to cut them down. So that's not really helping tree development. It seems

1530
02:24:23,510 --> 02:24:27,890
like we're currently valuing housing development over agriculture land and are growing food abilities.

1531
02:24:27,890 --> 02:24:32,810
So if we want to stop the farmers from wanting to take down some trees,

1532
02:24:32,810 --> 02:24:36,470
maybe we should say no to some of these big developments that are taken up our farmland.

1533
02:24:37,850 --> 02:24:40,350
I do really agree with the extra incentive program.

1534
02:24:41,450 --> 02:24:46,670
Like I said, the one deputations that Essex would lots have grown by 2% or more with no by-law.

1535
02:24:46,970 --> 02:24:53,930
So we should probably look at what they're doing, see if we can get our tree lot coverage up without a by-law as well.

1536
02:24:55,210 --> 02:25:00,690
And I know also, we had two deputations tonight that said that they had woodlots over 30 acres.

1537
02:25:01,650 --> 02:25:07,410
To me, only incentives could be not taxing any woodlots, regardless of size, because right now,

1538
02:25:09,370 --> 02:25:17,070
your, with the incentive program through the government, you're up to 10% or up to maximum 30 acres isn't taxed.

1539
02:25:17,130 --> 02:25:20,450
Well, if we don't want them to cut down their trees, maybe we shouldn't tax them on any of them.

1540
02:25:20,910 --> 02:25:22,690
That seems to be a pretty good solution in my mind.

1541
02:25:24,130 --> 02:25:25,870
So I'll be I'll be supporting

1542
02:25:26,830 --> 02:25:33,310
Counselor Spencer Pints knows motion. I think the the farmers have proven before to do the right thing

1543
02:25:33,310 --> 02:25:36,270
And I think we need we do need some more land right now to grow crop

1544
02:25:36,270 --> 02:25:42,470
So if we don't stop giving up we wouldn't have to do this, but that hasn't happened. So thank you

1545
02:25:43,230 --> 02:25:43,950
Councillor Holt

1546
02:25:45,050 --> 02:25:48,290
Thank you very much, Mayor can if first of all I'd like to thank every resident

1547
02:25:49,190 --> 02:25:53,770
From our community who provided a deputation tonight whether you are here in the council chambers

1548
02:25:53,770 --> 02:25:59,850
around zoom or through email. Everybody's input's very important for us to hear while we make

1549
02:25:59,850 --> 02:26:04,350
decisions as a council and I think it'll be important moving forward when we delve back into our

1550
02:26:04,350 --> 02:26:11,070
natural heritage work and to my council colleagues you know it was only a couple weeks ago that we

1551
02:26:11,070 --> 02:26:16,770
unanimously approved our strategic plan for our council term and you know as this has in my

1552
02:26:16,770 --> 02:26:22,290
motion you know we collectively identified four priority areas one being ensuring environmental

1553
02:26:22,290 --> 02:26:27,250
mental sustainability among the commitments that we made with this plan, includes preserving

1554
02:26:27,250 --> 02:26:33,650
natural heritage. Last term and early in this term and as Councillor Thompson mentioned

1555
02:26:33,650 --> 02:26:40,410
tonight, I was honored to be voted in by all of you to work as the Chair of the Natural

1556
02:26:40,410 --> 02:26:43,850
Heritage Committee the whole. As the Chair, I felt it was imperative

1557
02:26:43,850 --> 02:26:48,470
to wait until our current term of council had approved our council term priorities before

1558
02:26:48,470 --> 02:26:49,590
re-igniting the process.

1559
02:26:49,870 --> 02:27:00,910
Now that we have done that unanimously, supporting, you know, supported our priorities for the upcoming term and affirmed our commitment, now's the time to carry on with this work by the committee.

1560
02:27:02,310 --> 02:27:14,070
You know, as everyone is aware of the motion is coming up, I believe it really, it starts really kind of a clear path forward for the natural heritage work and it's rooted in transparency.

1561
02:27:14,070 --> 02:27:18,790
It focuses on creating more public consultation opportunities, which I think we still need

1562
02:27:19,730 --> 02:27:20,850
for a few of these elements.

1563
02:27:21,990 --> 02:27:25,670
I know I give the opportunity for every child to be informed.

1564
02:27:28,190 --> 02:27:32,670
And council, we can be informed by the tremendous amount of work and data and information

1565
02:27:32,670 --> 02:27:35,070
that we gathered during our last term as well.

1566
02:27:36,910 --> 02:27:40,390
It's an important for our community to have to look around the council chamber tonight.

1567
02:27:40,390 --> 02:27:43,970
tonight, obviously, there's a lot of passion, I know I've said that before.

1568
02:27:44,950 --> 02:27:48,430
There's a wide spectrum of views across Shadow Kent, and we've heard that this evening as well.

1569
02:27:49,290 --> 02:27:52,710
I think it's very central for our council to be diligent and

1570
02:27:52,710 --> 02:27:56,490
show leadership to all of our residents in our community and

1571
02:27:56,490 --> 02:28:01,690
sure, and sure we're following best practices on how to properly tackle important and

1572
02:28:01,690 --> 02:28:02,350
challenging issues.

1573
02:28:03,290 --> 02:28:08,590
I'm looking forward to getting started with this next phase of the work, and

1574
02:28:08,590 --> 02:28:14,450
And making some natural heritage policies or strategies that will be beneficial and positive for generations to come.

1575
02:28:15,710 --> 02:28:20,310
History has shown in Chamkin that having these natural heritage conversations,

1576
02:28:22,630 --> 02:28:25,450
conference stations in an open forum,

1577
02:28:26,070 --> 02:28:30,710
without some form of regulation on clear kind of in place, it puts our natural heritage at risk.

1578
02:28:30,910 --> 02:28:34,050
And it really opens up the door for irreparable damage to occur.

1579
02:28:36,810 --> 02:28:47,070
We've learned lessons, we've learned lessons back in 2021 and we got it right when we put the temporary by-law in place in order to safely have these conversations.

1580
02:28:48,010 --> 02:28:53,610
Now is certainly not a time to remove this regulation. We still have work to do and we're just about to embark on it.

1581
02:28:54,630 --> 02:28:59,270
Is the current by-law that we have in place is this the long-term solution? No, absolutely not.

1582
02:28:59,270 --> 02:29:05,710
We need to get together as a committee of the whole collectively, and we need to look

1583
02:29:05,710 --> 02:29:13,170
at, you know, take a critical, really, an open-minded look and focus look on what the regulatory

1584
02:29:13,170 --> 02:29:14,730
piece can look like moving forward.

1585
02:29:15,310 --> 02:29:20,090
I know there's examples in many communities all across Ontario of what that could be.

1586
02:29:20,650 --> 02:29:22,770
I think we could put a child can stamp on it.

1587
02:29:23,810 --> 02:29:27,650
And as was mentioned, I think Councillor Doyle and Councillor Pinto mentioned it tonight,

1588
02:29:27,650 --> 02:29:31,530
to, you know, we really need to look at some of those other, like, the incentives.

1589
02:29:31,890 --> 02:29:36,410
We need to take a closer look at that of how we can make that work, and as well as the

1590
02:29:36,410 --> 02:29:37,110
education elements.

1591
02:29:37,290 --> 02:29:42,850
I know those were kind of cumulatively, you know, what we learned last term at the Natural

1592
02:29:42,850 --> 02:29:43,550
Heritage Committee.

1593
02:29:44,150 --> 02:29:48,830
Those were those three elements, the regulation incentive and education, those were, you

1594
02:29:48,830 --> 02:29:52,990
know, that's the best practice on dealing with natural heritage policy creation.

1595
02:29:54,110 --> 02:29:55,310
So I'll wrap it up.

1596
02:29:55,310 --> 02:29:59,950
But I think the next step, tonight, that we have to make to respond to-

1597
02:30:05,200 --> 02:30:06,520
Thank you.

1598
02:30:10,980 --> 02:30:11,940
Councillor Juvenville.

1599
02:30:14,860 --> 02:30:17,260
I just want to thank everyone who

1600
02:30:17,850 --> 02:30:24,540
said delivered deputations tonight on both sides of this polarizing issue. I know all of you are

1601
02:30:24,540 --> 02:30:30,740
passionate about your stance on the clear cutting by law, and I am respectful and empathetic

1602
02:30:30,740 --> 02:30:36,660
to both sides. I love trees and I respect the importance of Carolinian forests. I know

1603
02:30:36,660 --> 02:30:41,900
and value the importance of trees and wildlife. I hate the thought of wildlife being displaced.

1604
02:30:42,380 --> 02:30:47,660
I also hate the thought of big developers coming into Chatham Kent, tearing down our trees

1605
02:30:47,660 --> 02:30:54,140
or buying up our farmland for industry, development, and housing. It is sad what happened in nearby

1606
02:30:54,140 --> 02:31:00,280
St. Thomas in the name of progress with the Volkswagen plant. What I do struggle with as

1607
02:31:00,280 --> 02:31:04,680
Does anyone who knows me is taking away the property rights of our local farmers?

1608
02:31:05,340 --> 02:31:12,820
I believe in our charter rights, our constitutional rights, our inherent rights, and yes, our property rights.

1609
02:31:13,280 --> 02:31:20,820
How can I vote in favor of telling a farmer what he or she can and cannot do on his or her own property?

1610
02:31:21,800 --> 02:31:29,980
With farmers losing 319 acres of farmland every day, we are in an emergency state on that front as well.

1611
02:31:29,980 --> 02:31:35,780
Who are we to prevent local farmers from enhancing their businesses, which is our food?

1612
02:31:36,440 --> 02:31:39,920
I know many farmers, they are good stewards of their land.

1613
02:31:40,660 --> 02:31:49,220
Many of them do indeed have woodlots, and I believe many of these small woodlots will remain, no matter if there is a bylaw or not.

1614
02:31:50,160 --> 02:31:56,700
The cost alone of clear cutting a woodlot and retiling it for farm use is upwards of $10,000 an acre.

1615
02:31:56,700 --> 02:32:00,020
So I know it's not a decision, farmers will take lightly.

1616
02:32:01,360 --> 02:32:08,080
I find the current clear-cutting bylaw is unfair and it's very restrictive towards farmers.

1617
02:32:08,900 --> 02:32:13,800
If Council's direction is to maintain tree cover, there needs to be opportunities for

1618
02:32:13,800 --> 02:32:19,440
farmers to clear-cut their land, but with some sort of program that they must plant and

1619
02:32:19,440 --> 02:32:20,540
replace their trees.

1620
02:32:21,600 --> 02:32:26,580
There are many woodlots that are managed and if done properly they make money from

1621
02:32:26,580 --> 02:32:31,960
being logged but still maintaining new growth. Not all farmers want a clear cut but some

1622
02:32:31,960 --> 02:32:36,880
want to remove lots where they have been previously logged or are full of scrub or trees

1623
02:32:37,190 --> 02:32:42,940
with no value to the environment. So I do support Councillor Pinsonot's

1624
02:32:42,940 --> 02:32:49,520
motion and I support most of Councillor Hall's motion of implementing a new and updated

1625
02:32:49,520 --> 02:32:55,140
natural heritage strategy to bring together all the stakeholders with their concerns to develop

1626
02:32:55,140 --> 02:33:01,100
up a resolution to this issue that affects so many of us here in Chatham Kent. Thank you.

1627
02:33:04,570 --> 02:33:09,350
Councillor Finne, followed by Councillor Wright. Thank you, Worship. Councillor Juvenville

1628
02:33:09,350 --> 02:33:15,550
covered most of the blank points. I asked for this last time and I never got the answer.

1629
02:33:15,750 --> 02:33:20,430
One was last forest or tree coverage survey done in the municipality.

1630
02:33:22,490 --> 02:33:24,930
And do we have an

1631
02:33:24,930 --> 02:33:27,050
updated picture of that tree coverage?

1632
02:33:28,980 --> 02:33:30,020
Thank you, Your Worship.

1633
02:33:30,160 --> 02:33:32,240
I'm just pulling that up to give you the exact date.

1634
02:33:32,540 --> 02:33:36,380
It was in late 2020,

1635
02:33:38,420 --> 02:33:42,560
told on here, 2021 into 2022 with conservation authority.

1636
02:33:42,800 --> 02:33:49,260
It's still, there's a map viewer still up on the municipal website that shows the swoop data and the coverage that was done.

1637
02:33:49,560 --> 02:33:55,100
So it was through, from 2010 to 2015, and again, from 2015 to 2020,

1638
02:33:55,100 --> 02:33:58,480
20 is what the update was based on.

1639
02:34:00,080 --> 02:34:06,420
And thank you and with the guards to the farmers, like I understand the need to have a natural heritage committee.

1640
02:34:07,060 --> 02:34:16,460
Should be all stakeholders like it was before, the stakeholders, for the most part, the farmers kept up their end of the deal when they came to an agreement.

1641
02:34:17,280 --> 02:34:20,580
I think it was the city that failed them in some way.

1642
02:34:20,580 --> 02:34:34,260
So, I'm in support of Councillor Pintinos, if there's a need to do another committee, then I'm sure a lot of the farmers and the non-farmers that would like to see this put in place, I would think that they could all work together again.

1643
02:34:38,040 --> 02:34:38,740
Councillor Wright?

1644
02:34:39,500 --> 02:34:40,480
Thank you, Mayor Caniff.

1645
02:34:42,300 --> 02:34:44,940
Deputations tonight, nothing's really changed on both sides.

1646
02:34:45,640 --> 02:34:52,020
The biggest question is, when we put that by-law when it was voted in the last time, staff

1647
02:34:52,020 --> 02:34:56,940
was supposed to come back to both parties, talk to them, and come back to Council.

1648
02:34:57,220 --> 02:35:00,260
Well, it's been two and a half years and nothing's been done.

1649
02:35:00,840 --> 02:35:03,960
Can somebody from the staff tell us why it hasn't been done?

1650
02:35:06,260 --> 02:35:06,740
Bruce?

1651
02:35:07,300 --> 02:35:08,140
Thank you, Your Worship.

1652
02:35:08,340 --> 02:35:13,700
Just to clarify, I'm confident administration met the recommendations we got from Council

1653
02:35:13,700 --> 02:35:14,240
last summer.

1654
02:35:14,240 --> 02:35:16,760
it was to pause the committee of the whole.

1655
02:35:20,240 --> 02:35:26,440
Staff be directed to include a link for related to natural heritage for the 2022 municipal

1656
02:35:26,440 --> 02:35:27,200
election page.

1657
02:35:27,320 --> 02:35:31,640
We did that and the other one was that we bring an information report to the new term

1658
02:35:31,640 --> 02:35:34,680
of council by the end of 22, which it was referenced tonight.

1659
02:35:34,780 --> 02:35:36,680
We did that on December 12.

1660
02:35:37,240 --> 02:35:40,200
There was no further direction received from council after that.

1661
02:35:43,720 --> 02:35:49,040
So then I'll go back to the direction they received tonight or how will it go?

1662
02:35:49,900 --> 02:35:50,800
Thank you, your worship.

1663
02:35:50,980 --> 02:35:54,400
Yes, we'll take whatever direction we get from council and proceed from there.

1664
02:35:59,550 --> 02:36:00,650
Councillor B. McGregor.

1665
02:36:02,150 --> 02:36:02,510
Thank you, Mayor.

1666
02:36:02,670 --> 02:36:03,470
Mayor Caniff.

1667
02:36:03,550 --> 02:36:09,470
I did have a few questions and you know, recognizing that some of us around the table have been dealing

1668
02:36:09,470 --> 02:36:15,110
with this issue for quite some time and perhaps have some of this knowledge of other fingertips

1669
02:36:15,110 --> 02:36:19,830
and those that are new may not have had the opportunity to look through some of these

1670
02:36:19,830 --> 02:36:25,690
reports and go through some of these discussions or going to pick up a ride with bill parks

1671
02:36:25,690 --> 02:36:29,510
through East Kent to tour the area like Councillor Crude myself did.

1672
02:36:30,650 --> 02:36:34,570
So I did have a few questions of clarity more than anything and I apologize I'll probably

1673
02:36:34,570 --> 02:36:35,470
be jumping around a little bit.

1674
02:36:36,210 --> 02:36:40,730
So some of the concern that I've heard about both the temporary by-law and a permanent

1675
02:36:40,730 --> 02:36:46,090
by law is over concerns around regular farming activities, so things like clearing problematic

1676
02:36:46,090 --> 02:36:52,970
trees and trees encroaching on drains or encroaching on field access, removing dead trees

1677
02:36:52,970 --> 02:36:58,170
that are in the way of recreational trails that might be in a forested area. How does the current

1678
02:36:58,170 --> 02:37:00,910
temporary by law impact those types of activities?

1679
02:37:06,840 --> 02:37:08,500
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I thank Councillor

1680
02:37:08,500 --> 02:37:15,160
for the question. So the by law regulates clear cutting and so it talks to a woodlot that is

1681
02:37:15,160 --> 02:37:22,120
more than 0.2 hectares but a half acre and cutting at least 0.1 which is about a quarter acre.

1682
02:37:22,920 --> 02:37:26,280
And so so long as the activities are kind of less than that amount.

1683
02:37:26,560 --> 02:37:30,640
So as you described a tree here and there to clear out a field or to address a trail or

1684
02:37:30,640 --> 02:37:33,380
whatever it might be, those wouldn't be captured by the by law.

1685
02:37:33,520 --> 02:37:38,800
It's clear cutting of at least a quarter acre of trees.

1686
02:37:39,660 --> 02:37:43,880
Yeah, and I appreciate that clarity and I think that's really important when we're focusing

1687
02:37:43,880 --> 02:37:50,460
We're discussing this discussion on what we're actually talking about and that's the temporary bylaw in its current state, which is really just to stop clear cutting.

1688
02:37:50,460 --> 02:37:59,020
It's not to encroach on some of those regular practices of farming and, you know, the intention was never to impact businesses, farm businesses in that way.

1689
02:37:59,600 --> 02:38:03,360
To also have a question about the 10% limit on tax exemption up to 30 acres.

1690
02:38:03,480 --> 02:38:12,820
I know that's something that we discussed through the committee on the whole and obviously is a concern that Councillor Doyle rightly brings up and I think it's something that we advocated for in the past.

1691
02:38:12,820 --> 02:38:16,920
It's my understanding that's a provincial regulation, is that correct?

1692
02:38:19,430 --> 02:38:24,450
Thank you, Gordon Quentin, CFO, and I'll turn that part of the question.

1693
02:38:25,090 --> 02:38:34,290
So it was recently back about a year ago, it was the province did make a change to that.

1694
02:38:34,430 --> 02:38:37,950
So when we were discussing it as a committee of a whole, I think it was 20 acre limit.

1695
02:38:38,330 --> 02:38:42,850
And now it's been moved up to 38 acre limit per owner.

1696
02:38:42,850 --> 02:38:46,730
Great and I appreciate that and I think that as part of the committee of the whole process

1697
02:38:46,730 --> 02:38:51,490
which we should be continuing through Councilor Hall's motion those are the types of solutions

1698
02:38:51,490 --> 02:38:56,970
that we need to advocate for obviously regulation on its own isn't suffice and we need to be

1699
02:38:56,970 --> 02:39:00,670
looking at all those options which I think we've we've got a good summation of in some reports

1700
02:39:00,670 --> 02:39:03,250
but are discussions that can continue.

1701
02:39:04,870 --> 02:39:09,530
Another question I had was have we approved any rezoning of areas with wood lots to be

1702
02:39:09,530 --> 02:39:14,990
We developed commercially or residentially, and I've been around long enough to answer

1703
02:39:14,990 --> 02:39:15,250
that.

1704
02:39:15,550 --> 02:39:18,510
But the last time that was proposed, what was Council's response?

1705
02:39:21,370 --> 02:39:22,350
Thank you, Your Worship.

1706
02:39:23,510 --> 02:39:27,610
No, there's been no development proposals over the last ten years that have resulted in

1707
02:39:27,610 --> 02:39:29,270
the removal of a wood lot.

1708
02:39:29,570 --> 02:39:33,090
Sure, there's been some tree lines removed and things like that, but a full wood lot.

1709
02:39:33,710 --> 02:39:36,170
I wasn't here at the time, but I do recall the discussions.

1710
02:39:36,170 --> 02:39:45,090
It was a little more than 10 years ago where last time it came up, it led to the actual

1711
02:39:45,090 --> 02:39:47,830
media spot acquisition of Accent's Bush, your and Chad.

1712
02:39:49,030 --> 02:39:49,590
Thank you.

1713
02:39:51,350 --> 02:39:55,630
Yeah, and I think those are some good questions for clarity, just in sort of refocusing what

1714
02:39:55,630 --> 02:39:56,370
we're talking about tonight.

1715
02:39:56,510 --> 02:40:01,090
And I think to focus, there's a lot of arguments to be made for and against the by-law.

1716
02:40:01,190 --> 02:40:05,790
And I think there's been a lot of helpful deputations and respectful comments tonight, both for and

1717
02:40:05,790 --> 02:40:09,830
against, and we're not talking tonight about a permanent bylaw. We're not talking about

1718
02:40:09,830 --> 02:40:15,470
the totality of tools that we have to address tree coverage in Chatham Ken. What we're talking

1719
02:40:15,470 --> 02:40:20,390
about is a temporary bylaw that is in place with the intention of it to be in place until

1720
02:40:20,390 --> 02:40:25,710
such time as the committee of the whole, which includes input from all stakeholders, makes

1721
02:40:25,710 --> 02:40:30,690
a recommendation to council and we accept that. So, you know, as much as we may be discussing

1722
02:40:30,690 --> 02:40:37,470
the pros and cons and who's impacted we started down this road with the intention to do this the

1723
02:40:37,470 --> 02:40:42,170
right way and I think we owe it to community members we owe it to all the stakeholders to continue

1724
02:40:42,170 --> 02:40:46,990
that work if it takes another eight months if it takes another year I don't think that that's

1725
02:40:46,990 --> 02:40:51,930
burdensome on our community to do that work together and look for those solutions together and I think

1726
02:40:51,930 --> 02:40:55,910
we can develop solutions that are better than just regulation but I think we have to recognize

1727
02:40:55,910 --> 02:41:01,270
that 10 years ago, when we started down this process the wrong way, it led to irreparable damage.

1728
02:41:01,610 --> 02:41:04,230
And we don't want that to be the legacy of making these decisions.

1729
02:41:06,110 --> 02:41:16,510
I was particularly struck by a couple of deputations, so Mr. Kerr's deputation I think he did a great job in capturing some of those solutions that we required that are outside of just regulation.

1730
02:41:16,510 --> 02:41:24,530
And I think really represented that there's really a wide breadth of opinion in the farming community on what those could look like and we should be listening.

1731
02:41:24,530 --> 02:41:30,350
I'm Mr. Navig's deputation, I think, for those that weren't around when we first started

1732
02:41:30,350 --> 02:41:34,690
talking about this, I think really revealed part of the impetus that some of us thought

1733
02:41:34,690 --> 02:41:36,130
this was reasonable to bring forward.

1734
02:41:36,710 --> 02:41:41,870
And it wasn't, you know, that anyone here was accusing generational family farms of being

1735
02:41:41,870 --> 02:41:42,290
irresponsible.

1736
02:41:42,590 --> 02:41:45,530
We know as Councilor Pintsino said, 99% of them are quite responsible.

1737
02:41:45,530 --> 02:41:47,370
They've been great stewards of the land.

1738
02:41:47,790 --> 02:41:52,650
It really was like recognizing that those farms are great at recognizing long-term goals

1739
02:41:52,650 --> 02:41:57,550
in the value that those would lot spring, but with market forces when some of those farms

1740
02:41:57,550 --> 02:42:01,370
are sold, the outcome is clearing by some of these large purchasers.

1741
02:42:03,330 --> 02:42:05,650
And I think there's a couple of perspectives we left out tonight.

1742
02:42:05,810 --> 02:42:09,890
I think it's important to recognize we haven't really talked about an indigenous perspective.

1743
02:42:11,070 --> 02:42:15,210
You know, we recognize at the beginning of each meeting there were on traditional lands and

1744
02:42:15,210 --> 02:42:20,350
that we have a responsibility as partners, we have a responsibility to the land and water.

1745
02:42:20,350 --> 02:42:24,150
and we have a decision making in stewardship.

1746
02:42:24,350 --> 02:42:30,650
So I think that going forward with Councilor's Hall of Motion opens the door for more of that consultation.

1747
02:42:31,410 --> 02:42:36,550
And I think we would be remiss, so I think especially this week, in ignoring that responsibility.

1748
02:42:36,810 --> 02:42:41,730
So I think that no matter what side of this you are on right now,

1749
02:42:41,730 --> 02:42:44,970
whether you think a permanent by-law should be in place or you think it shouldn't be.

1750
02:42:45,710 --> 02:42:47,050
This is about the process.

1751
02:42:47,050 --> 02:42:49,870
this is about who has been involved and who needs to be involved.

1752
02:42:50,470 --> 02:42:54,810
And I think to do this with transparency and responsibility, we need to move forward

1753
02:42:54,810 --> 02:42:59,810
with the committee of the whole, find some solutions that are built in chat and can't,

1754
02:43:00,010 --> 02:43:03,590
and then make that decision in the way that we always intended to, with the partners at

1755
02:43:03,590 --> 02:43:04,650
the table that need to be here.

1756
02:43:05,230 --> 02:43:05,490
Thank you.

1757
02:43:09,690 --> 02:43:11,270
Okay, I'd like to just add a few comments.

1758
02:43:12,050 --> 02:43:18,110
I first off, oh sorry, I'll go to the council or see my regular, then I'll find them.

1759
02:43:18,250 --> 02:43:18,510
Thanks.

1760
02:43:23,510 --> 02:43:24,230
Thank you.

1761
02:43:24,390 --> 02:43:29,830
I was actually just texting Judy Smith, which is a fact that she's still on the list.

1762
02:43:30,130 --> 02:43:36,390
So I don't know how I could say much better than thank Council Member Greger, and I want

1763
02:43:36,960 --> 02:43:43,190
to recognize everybody from the community that presented tonight that had emailed us in the

1764
02:43:43,190 --> 02:43:43,890
last few days.

1765
02:43:44,530 --> 02:43:50,170
And all of the people that were engaged, even in the last process, I think the difference

1766
02:43:50,170 --> 02:43:57,470
for some of us is that the the position of this committee came to a halt because an election

1767
02:43:57,470 --> 02:44:05,090
was in place and it was becoming a point where it was better to turn it over to the next council

1768
02:44:05,090 --> 02:44:11,430
and to move forward. I don't see that continuing with the temporary clear-putting bylaw at this point

1769
02:44:12,090 --> 02:44:17,430
makes much of a difference because our farmers and all of our groups have stayed to us

1770
02:44:17,430 --> 02:44:21,090
that they are a very good care gift of our land.

1771
02:44:21,670 --> 02:44:24,550
So I think that for them to work with us

1772
02:44:24,550 --> 02:44:26,330
and continue on with this process

1773
02:44:26,950 --> 02:44:32,610
to let us get to a point as council to do this

1774
02:44:32,610 --> 02:44:35,990
and to bring the new council members into this

1775
02:44:35,990 --> 02:44:40,830
and moving forward to the teacher of a proper by-law

1776
02:44:40,830 --> 02:44:43,370
in place, one that includes incentives

1777
02:44:43,370 --> 02:44:45,230
and recognitions and tax credits.

1778
02:44:45,230 --> 02:44:47,470
because I understand how that is necessary.

1779
02:44:48,230 --> 02:44:53,950
And for those of you who don't know, I lived 30 plus years on a farm, a small farm, a hundred

1780
02:44:53,950 --> 02:44:59,410
Ather Farm that eventually was sold out to a bigger farm connection.

1781
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:29,860
And so I do understand the issues of the farm and the needs of farmers and such. So I don't say this lightly, but I truly think that, you know, we talk about the decisions we make at council. Well, we make health decisions for all of our citizens. We don't make them for select groups or select areas. And that's not always easy when we have representatives from maybe rural areas.

1782
02:45:29,860 --> 02:45:33,080
or maybe from urban areas depending on their decisions we make.

1783
02:45:33,460 --> 02:45:36,500
No difference in our housing, where I totally agree,

1784
02:45:36,860 --> 02:45:39,960
you know, we need to be able to build up and not out to preserve

1785
02:45:39,960 --> 02:45:42,380
our natural lands and different things.

1786
02:45:42,800 --> 02:45:46,020
I also know over the years that I spent on the farm

1787
02:45:46,020 --> 02:45:49,960
with green farming in the crop that we did have during those years

1788
02:45:49,960 --> 02:45:55,640
that the technology has changed so greatly to increase crops

1789
02:45:55,640 --> 02:46:03,080
as within Chatham County, the structures of great house to increase food productivity.

1790
02:46:03,880 --> 02:46:08,440
So having settled that, you know, I won't reiterate some of the other comments,

1791
02:46:08,700 --> 02:46:13,580
but I really believe that, you know, if we pass this tonight,

1792
02:46:13,860 --> 02:46:16,360
we're really taking the way out, or as I'm concerned.

1793
02:46:16,860 --> 02:46:19,700
And I think that we need to go back to Council Hall's motion,

1794
02:46:20,200 --> 02:46:23,020
and we need to get together with Council, and we need to look at our communities,

1795
02:46:23,020 --> 02:46:26,460
and we need to get this right, and we need to do it.

1796
02:46:27,000 --> 02:46:30,680
And I don't think that keeping the temporary clear-cutting

1797
02:46:30,680 --> 02:46:34,780
by-law in place while we finish this is going to make a big

1798
02:46:34,780 --> 02:46:37,880
difference for our good students, of our farmers,

1799
02:46:38,100 --> 02:46:41,720
that are within our communities and doing the fine work that they do.

1800
02:46:42,140 --> 02:46:46,660
And I think that we could work together to get to an end decision

1801
02:46:46,660 --> 02:46:52,540
that will bring us all together in the end and do this right.

1802
02:46:52,540 --> 02:46:58,140
and I don't think by taking a short time tonight is a good point to go and I'll leave it at that.

1803
02:46:58,300 --> 02:46:58,620
Thank you.

1804
02:47:02,480 --> 02:47:07,760
I want to start with, I've been super impressed tonight of we've come together and there's

1805
02:47:07,760 --> 02:47:11,440
all sorts of different viewpoints in the room when we've been completely civil, we've listened

1806
02:47:11,440 --> 02:47:16,140
each other, we've listened to all sorts of points of view so I got it handed to everyone

1807
02:47:16,140 --> 02:47:21,440
in this room tonight just how impressed I am of this discussion and how we've respected

1808
02:47:21,440 --> 02:47:21,940
one another.

1809
02:47:23,240 --> 02:47:48,240
This is an extremely tough thing to deal with and for me, when I look at, I'm a very strong believer in land rights, that it's your land and you've paid for it and you've done whatever that, but in the flip side, you want trees, everyone's trees, nobody here would say, no, no, that's not have trees, I mean, it's that balance between the two.

1810
02:47:49,060 --> 02:47:55,840
I've always stood for to say I wanted to make having a wood lot equal to or even greater than

1811
02:47:56,860 --> 02:48:00,140
economically being more beneficial to somebody than at farm.

1812
02:48:01,120 --> 02:48:07,640
If you have an area that's marginal farm, I want the owner of that lot to be able to say yes,

1813
02:48:07,840 --> 02:48:11,580
that is more economic for me to keep it as trees and however that works.

1814
02:48:12,560 --> 02:48:18,620
As I see, we're moving forward here, I want all farmers, anybody who owns a wood lot

1815
02:48:18,620 --> 02:48:23,840
to have us, us, the municipality and us as a group have our best foot forward so they

1816
02:48:23,840 --> 02:48:29,560
can make that economic decision to say, should I keep a trees, should I move to farmland?

1817
02:48:30,020 --> 02:48:34,040
And without those tax incentives that we're talking about, all these other things, that's

1818
02:48:34,040 --> 02:48:37,720
what I'm hoping that in the next few months we can fill in whether it's eight, ten months

1819
02:48:37,720 --> 02:48:38,560
or whatever it is.

1820
02:48:38,560 --> 02:48:43,780
I want to make the right decision, but I want the land owners to have all the information

1821
02:48:43,780 --> 02:48:45,280
to be able to make that right decision.

1822
02:48:46,220 --> 02:48:51,540
So I'm going to support Councillor Hall in the deferral, but I don't want to see this

1823
02:48:51,540 --> 02:48:52,940
temporary thing going on forever.

1824
02:48:53,160 --> 02:48:59,660
I want to see ultimately land owners having the right to do what they want to do on the

1825
02:48:59,660 --> 02:48:59,960
land.

1826
02:49:00,220 --> 02:49:04,940
But I want to have that incentive, those type of things in place so they can make a decision

1827
02:49:04,940 --> 02:49:10,540
that they can look at and say, I know everything on the table versus right now if we open it up,

1828
02:49:11,100 --> 02:49:14,020
you don't know about the tax incentives or everything else you say, I want to do that.

1829
02:49:14,160 --> 02:49:20,720
So I want to support Councillor Hall, but I want to see us move forward as a council quickly.

1830
02:49:20,940 --> 02:49:24,000
I don't want to see here in two years from now that we're still talking about this.

1831
02:49:24,240 --> 02:49:28,180
We get to get together and make a decision so that we can move forward with that.

1832
02:49:28,700 --> 02:49:34,460
And I will go over to the seconder and for this motion, Councillor Thompson and then

1833
02:49:35,080 --> 02:49:36,440
Councillor Pincino for final words.

1834
02:49:37,760 --> 02:49:41,500
I think everything has been said and we're not going to change anybody's mind so thank

1835
02:49:41,500 --> 02:49:42,180
you very much.

1836
02:49:43,060 --> 02:49:45,160
Councillor Pincino, I agree with that.

1837
02:49:46,980 --> 02:49:52,980
Let's pass this one right now and then Councillor Halls I agree with one to four I think that's

1838
02:49:52,980 --> 02:49:53,540
right on the money.

1839
02:49:53,540 --> 02:49:59,420
The only one that I don't agree with is leaving the by-law in place, so let's support

1840
02:49:59,420 --> 02:50:03,080
this one here, and then we'll do one to four for Councillor Hall. Thank you.

1841
02:50:04,680 --> 02:50:08,340
Okay. Seeing all the questions, so we'll put it to vote.

1842
02:50:11,500 --> 02:50:14,740
So we're voting on Councillor Pinzano's motion, Councillor Bondi.

1843
02:50:17,160 --> 02:50:18,900
And Councillor Cima Gregor.

1844
02:50:19,840 --> 02:50:20,360
No.

1845
02:50:23,120 --> 02:50:25,960
Councillor Pinzano's motion passes nine to eight.

1846
02:50:38,670 --> 02:50:42,430
Moving on to 16-H motion by Councillor Hall.

1847
02:50:46,370 --> 02:50:48,650
I'd like to pull my motion, Mayor can I thank you.

1848
02:50:49,350 --> 02:50:51,110
Okay, consider it pulled.

1849
02:50:55,720 --> 02:50:58,160
We will now go to notices of motion.

1850
02:52:05,680 --> 02:52:09,040
Sorry if I can ask everybody to take the discussion outside the room.

1851
02:52:09,400 --> 02:52:11,140
We want to continue on with the council meeting.

1852
02:52:11,360 --> 02:52:11,620
Thanks.

1853
02:52:35,400 --> 02:52:36,560
All right, we'll get started again.

1854
02:52:37,120 --> 02:52:37,700
Everybody sit down.

1855
02:52:39,460 --> 02:52:41,460
We'll go to notices of motion.

1856
02:52:42,760 --> 02:52:43,620
Councillor Anderson.

1857
02:52:43,620 --> 02:52:43,840
Anderson.

1858
02:52:46,070 --> 02:52:47,390
Thank you, Mary-Kenneth.

1859
02:52:47,630 --> 02:52:53,190
I, Councilor Lauren Anderson, request notice be waved this evening for the following motion.

1860
02:52:53,950 --> 02:52:58,110
Whereas a boil water advisory is currently in place for the community of Wheatley and

1861
02:52:58,110 --> 02:53:03,510
Tilbury areas, whereas Chatham Kent has supplied bottled water to resource centers, food banks,

1862
02:53:03,870 --> 02:53:07,030
nursing homes, and others, and are prepared to continue to do so.

1863
02:53:07,630 --> 02:53:12,990
Whereas municipal staff and public health continue to focus on vulnerable citizens, whereas the

1864
02:53:12,990 --> 02:53:17,590
of oil water advisory recommends boiling water for one minute for drinking and consumption only.

1865
02:53:17,990 --> 02:53:22,690
The water is currently perfectly safe to shower with wash hands, feedbacks, clean, et cetera.

1866
02:53:23,310 --> 02:53:27,590
Whereas the distributing of bottled water to everyone in Wheatley and

1867
02:53:27,590 --> 02:53:32,070
Tilbury potentially for a prolonged period of time will have a cost.

1868
02:53:32,670 --> 02:53:39,950
Therefore, it is moved that the municipality of Chatham Kent supply bottled water to members of the communities of Wheatley and

1869
02:53:39,950 --> 02:54:09,250
are affected by the borough water advisory and the cost of the bottled water be charged the PUC to be funded by the water reserves and that administration formulate a bottled water policy to be utilized in all future boil water advisories, floods, tornadoes, or other emergencies in Chatham Kent taking into consideration, vulnerable populations, cost associated with supplying water to all and where the dollars to fund the, the dollars to fund this should come from.

1870
02:54:09,250 --> 02:54:15,890
And how many days of oil water advisory needs to be in effect prior to supplying bottled water to residents?

1871
02:54:18,450 --> 02:54:21,650
Okay, can I will deal with the two-thirds?

1872
02:54:22,530 --> 02:54:23,170
I'm clerk will

1873
02:54:26,240 --> 02:54:28,120
Councillor Bondy do you want to second this?

1874
02:54:31,530 --> 02:54:35,930
All right, so we will it's on the floor but the first thing we have to wave the two-thirds

1875
02:54:35,930 --> 02:54:36,530
So

1876
02:54:40,330 --> 02:54:43,350
Yes, yes, I was just I was just going to questions for

1877
02:54:44,050 --> 02:54:45,450
For the for this

1878
02:54:46,150 --> 02:54:51,570
So as I look around Councillor Seema Gregor go ahead. This is on the deferral. I'm sorry.

1879
02:54:51,950 --> 02:54:57,290
And I vote no to the deferral. We're not quite to the voting yet. One sec.

1880
02:54:57,930 --> 02:55:03,510
Okay. So Councillor on the floor right now we require a two-thirds vote to waive notice for

1881
02:55:03,510 --> 02:55:07,470
this notice of motion. It was moved by Councillor Anderson and seconded by Councillor Bondy.

1882
02:55:08,230 --> 02:55:11,630
So we can all vote now. Okay. Do I just want to make sure there's

1883
02:55:11,630 --> 02:55:14,890
There's no questions about it. Seeing none, okay, we'll put it up.

1884
02:55:15,670 --> 02:55:19,450
Councillor Bondy? Yes. Councillor Sima Gregor?

1885
02:55:20,070 --> 02:55:20,650
No.

1886
02:55:26,180 --> 02:55:27,720
Just looking to see.

1887
02:55:34,090 --> 02:55:34,670
We're missing one.

1888
02:55:35,370 --> 02:55:40,050
Councillor Ciccache has got it. Okay. All votes are in and motion passes 12 to 4.

1889
02:55:41,630 --> 02:55:42,430
Two, you can proceed.

1890
02:55:45,400 --> 02:55:48,020
Okay. Councillor Anderson.

1891
02:55:49,440 --> 02:55:50,400
Thank you.

1892
02:55:53,020 --> 02:55:59,380
It's been almost two weeks that we've been in a boil water advisory and while yes, we are still having water come through our pipes.

1893
02:55:59,380 --> 02:56:02,900
It's not suitable to drink or we have not been told that it's suitable to drink.

1894
02:56:03,720 --> 02:56:14,580
So it's been long and taxing a couple of weeks, especially for people that have a vulnerable population or those that have multiple children sending water,

1895
02:56:14,580 --> 02:56:22,420
are boiling it and having it ready or having other means such as buying water, it's just

1896
02:56:22,420 --> 02:56:27,800
gotten to be a lot that supplying bottled water I think would show good faith and also

1897
02:56:29,500 --> 02:56:35,460
just let all of the residents know that we are willing to help and be there.

1898
02:56:37,800 --> 02:56:39,740
Councillor Bondy, anything bad?

1899
02:56:39,740 --> 02:56:39,800
What?

1900
02:56:43,090 --> 02:56:44,150
Thank you, Mayor Kenneth.

1901
02:56:44,710 --> 02:56:47,790
I support this, of course, as I seconded it.

1902
02:56:48,510 --> 02:56:58,530
I think it's simply a goodwill offering to these folks that are having trouble with

1903
02:57:00,710 --> 02:57:05,110
a boil water advisory.

1904
02:57:05,690 --> 02:57:10,730
Is this called because what are you doing to get cooked with it, of course, can you drink

1905
02:57:10,730 --> 02:57:10,910
it?

1906
02:57:11,110 --> 02:57:11,250
No.

1907
02:57:11,690 --> 02:57:22,850
You can't so I think we'll meet the community to do it, you can't, we've seen provide bottle of water, it's a pretty inexpensive thing to do, and I think it's

1908
02:57:25,480 --> 02:57:38,210
still very cool, but true a lot, and as a municipality, I think this is a great thing that we can do, I don't say gas, and I think it's the right thing to do, and that's that.

1909
02:57:38,210 --> 02:57:38,790
Okay,

1910
02:57:42,380 --> 02:57:54,320
I, the couple of speakers, I'll go to Mr. Taylor, and then our, our, our, our, PUC head, Tim Sunderland, we ever want to speak first, I'll go to.

1911
02:57:55,360 --> 02:58:06,500
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I just recognize that, as opposed to this on the floor, I just recognize issue with the wording at the bottom of the first paragraph, which is the cost of the bottle water to be charged to the PUC to be funded by water reserves.

1912
02:58:06,500 --> 02:58:11,480
I think that that just needs to be referred to the PUC for consideration of funding from

1913
02:58:11,480 --> 02:58:12,040
the water reserves.

1914
02:58:12,260 --> 02:58:17,060
And the reason is that decisions on use of funding from the PUC is made by commission

1915
02:58:17,060 --> 02:58:18,060
and not by council.

1916
02:58:18,260 --> 02:58:21,980
So I just want to make sure that the motion lines up so it would just be changing the wording

1917
02:58:21,980 --> 02:58:27,640
to be referred to the PUC to be considered funded by water reserves and that can be dealt

1918
02:58:27,640 --> 02:58:29,120
with in the SPUC meeting.

1919
02:58:31,110 --> 02:58:31,330
Okay.

1920
02:58:31,650 --> 02:58:33,490
You're good with changing that, Councillor Anderson.

1921
02:58:34,210 --> 02:58:34,770
Councillor Bondy.

1922
02:58:36,130 --> 02:58:36,970
Good with change.

1923
02:58:36,970 --> 02:58:37,190
change.

1924
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Tim, can you provide

1925
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your comments?

1926
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So I just wanted to bring forward we've never

1927
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supplied bottled water in a boil water advisory before. We've done bottled water before

1928
02:59:01,210 --> 02:59:07,910
in Wallisburg mid-2000s but that was a do not drink order. A boil water advisory water

1929
02:59:07,910 --> 02:59:13,650
is still available to the residents but they have to boil it to drink it. We've been in

1930
02:59:13,650 --> 02:59:20,750
In 13 days, in a boil water for Wheatley-Tillbury, not completely two weeks, we've tried to,

1931
02:59:20,890 --> 02:59:25,350
we're trying to get a handle on this water system that's been given to us without a water

1932
02:59:25,350 --> 02:59:25,670
plant.

1933
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And I just asked for a little bit of time to get there.

1934
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And that's all I wanted to comment on is that we're getting close, but we're still under

1935
02:59:34,250 --> 02:59:39,890
a boil water and we've never supplied bottled water in a boil water advisory before.

1936
02:59:47,650 --> 02:59:53,730
I really just have a question of the mover, just so that if this passes staff understands

1937
02:59:53,730 --> 02:59:59,290
what the expectations are, so don't take anything from my questions, but one of the, I just

1938
02:59:59,290 --> 02:59:59,910
point come from

1939
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So is the expectation that there would be distribution centers, which is something that we have been working on. So that's probably something we could pull the trigger on. Or is there an expectation? In other words, people would come to us. Or is there an expectation that we'd be delivering two people? And we asked that because I want to make sure that we're if we if it has passed that we're in sync with council's direction.

1940
03:00:28,900 --> 03:00:33,580
And the other thing it does talk about taking into consideration vulnerable populations.

1941
03:00:33,800 --> 03:00:39,160
I'm going to take from that to mean that we need to make sure that we always have some

1942
03:00:39,160 --> 03:00:41,920
available water for vulnerable populations.

1943
03:00:42,560 --> 03:00:46,920
So that would be direction to staff that if we did actually go and distribute or deliver,

1944
03:00:47,240 --> 03:00:50,300
we would always make sure that there's some back for vulnerable populations.

1945
03:00:50,360 --> 03:00:54,620
So in other words, continuing to service the facilities that were talked about earlier,

1946
03:00:54,620 --> 03:01:02,520
whether it's resource centers or food banks, that sort of thing, and the other common

1947
03:01:02,520 --> 03:01:08,880
I will make is I know I think we need to, and I guess we'll come back in the context

1948
03:01:08,880 --> 03:01:14,840
of the bottled water policy, we can't assume that bottled water will always be available

1949
03:01:14,840 --> 03:01:19,240
in every emergency. In this particular case, it's only impacting

1950
03:01:19,240 --> 03:01:26,620
weekly and Tilbury thankfully but in the future if we have something significant there may

1951
03:01:26,620 --> 03:01:30,660
not be bottled water available to us. So that will probably come back in the policy.

1952
03:01:31,960 --> 03:01:39,180
But I do agree with Mr. Sunderland that we've never done this before. I also was not here when the

1953
03:01:39,180 --> 03:01:44,220
Wallisburg situation happened but I understand that the water that was provided in the Wallisburg

1954
03:01:44,220 --> 03:01:49,920
case because there was no, there wasn't a water advisory just could not use the water disappeared

1955
03:01:49,920 --> 03:01:56,920
very, very quickly. So we fortunately do have quite a lot of water available. I don't know how

1956
03:01:56,920 --> 03:02:02,700
long it'll last. A lot of that depends on how long the water advisory is in place. We'll certainly

1957
03:02:02,700 --> 03:02:09,340
do our best to make sure that if this passes, we have the right inventory in place. We will probably

1958
03:02:09,340 --> 03:02:14,120
need I would say between 24 and 48 hours to pull the trigger. What I mean by that is

1959
03:02:14,120 --> 03:02:19,100
not that we don't have the water, but we would have to develop a process. We have some

1960
03:02:19,100 --> 03:02:25,080
plans in place. We already know where we would distribute from, but we don't have the staff

1961
03:02:25,080 --> 03:02:29,360
lined up to do that. So there would be some things that we'll have to do. And perhaps if

1962
03:02:29,360 --> 03:02:38,340
the mayor would allow a chief case to comment on that, because I think along with engaging

1963
03:02:38,340 --> 03:02:42,540
engaging volunteers and this type of thing might mean an emergency declaration, but I'll

1964
03:02:42,540 --> 03:02:44,400
turn it over to you. Yes, a chief case.

1965
03:02:48,240 --> 03:02:51,820
Thank you, Your Worship. When this incident

1966
03:02:51,820 --> 03:02:57,940
first occurred, even though we hadn't declared an emergency, we settled as if there was

1967
03:02:57,940 --> 03:03:04,740
an emergency. An emergency operation centre was put in place with the municipality. Mr.

1968
03:03:04,780 --> 03:03:08,640
Sultolan put his own emergency operation centre in place from the PUC.

1969
03:03:11,070 --> 03:03:12,050
What we have to

1970
03:03:12,050 --> 03:03:16,470
do then is we have to start planning for it if something else happens. The information

1971
03:03:16,470 --> 03:03:21,510
that we had was that the system was working, but it was fragile. It was tenuous at the time

1972
03:03:21,510 --> 03:03:28,350
because of what had gone on. I can tell you we then planned for what happens if the water

1973
03:03:28,350 --> 03:03:35,430
completely stopped. I can tell you we stopped by 175,000 litres of water in a very short space

1974
03:03:35,430 --> 03:03:40,310
of time with our help for economic development. That was third in case the water completely

1975
03:03:40,310 --> 03:03:45,110
stopped. At the same time, our community paramedics and our partners checked in on vulnerable

1976
03:03:45,110 --> 03:03:49,970
people, and this has been going on in the background for the past week and a half as we

1977
03:03:49,970 --> 03:03:55,410
have prepared. So we do have water available, but I have to caution Council, that is our

1978
03:03:55,410 --> 03:04:01,750
stockpile in case something else should happen. If you wish to start distributing water, as

1979
03:04:01,750 --> 03:04:07,990
the CAO said, if we were to start actually going out and distributing it, we probably need

1980
03:04:07,990 --> 03:04:12,510
the assistance of volunteers or an NGO, and that would probably be an emergency declaration.

1981
03:04:13,990 --> 03:04:19,350
If I may, Mr. Mayor, I want to raise the issue regarding a policy for Bockelwalter and the

1982
03:04:19,350 --> 03:04:26,470
event of an emergency. In the event of an emergency, we declare and we go into our emergency management

1983
03:04:26,470 --> 03:04:31,810
framework, planning tables, operation tables, technical support tables, logistics tables.

1984
03:04:32,810 --> 03:04:37,670
It would be my respectful suggestion that even if we had a policy and emergency

1985
03:04:37,670 --> 03:04:42,130
would trump the policy because that emergency would come in and the province would come in

1986
03:04:42,130 --> 03:04:46,730
with us and we'd have to plan around what we're dealing with. So with respect to the

1987
03:04:46,730 --> 03:04:54,290
mover, if we did have a boiled water policy for floods, tornadoes and other emergencies,

1988
03:04:55,310 --> 03:04:59,550
it's unlikely it would be enacted in the way that it was written because we have to be flexible

1989
03:04:59,550 --> 03:05:04,810
to deal with everything that comes at us. And the one thing, unfortunately, as I mentioned a few

1990
03:05:04,810 --> 03:05:10,790
weeks ago, we've become quite adapted dealing with things thrown at us. So, with respect

1991
03:05:10,790 --> 03:05:15,610
right now, I can tell you as the head of emergency management, we're equipped to deal with

1992
03:05:15,610 --> 03:05:20,230
a complete loss of the water for a three-fold period of time, three or four days, period

1993
03:05:20,230 --> 03:05:27,470
of time, and if we were to move into this provision, we would really have to increase that

1994
03:05:27,470 --> 03:05:31,170
round that up to be able to meet the demand. Thank you, Mr. May.

1995
03:05:36,070 --> 03:05:37,190
Councillor Sima Gregor.

1996
03:05:40,620 --> 03:05:42,260
Thank you and through the mayor and thank

1997
03:05:42,260 --> 03:05:49,140
you for the comments from those that have commented so far in an explanation because I was

1998
03:05:49,140 --> 03:05:56,660
going to say I could support the administration or the creative of policy but the top part

1999
03:05:56,660 --> 03:05:59,640
is not separable by the 1, 2, 3.

2000
03:06:00,280 --> 03:06:03,320
But having said that, I know we've

2001
03:06:03,320 --> 03:06:05,520
been through many different situations.

2002
03:06:06,080 --> 03:06:08,260
And I know the typical past people

2003
03:06:08,260 --> 03:06:10,980
to boil water for a minute before they

2004
03:06:10,980 --> 03:06:13,600
drink the water.

2005
03:06:14,380 --> 03:06:16,980
And some of the issues that come along with that.

2006
03:06:17,160 --> 03:06:18,760
And I know the community of Wheatley

2007
03:06:18,760 --> 03:06:23,240
has experienced so many devastating issues.

2008
03:06:23,240 --> 03:06:29,660
and this just kind of heightened everything that has happened over the period of time.

2009
03:06:30,480 --> 03:06:35,760
I do know that, though, if we start to do this, then I don't know where that leads us

2010
03:06:35,760 --> 03:06:39,780
and whenever there's a boil, water is vital and moving forward.

2011
03:06:40,480 --> 03:06:46,220
And as we heard, there are limited supplies or supplies, let me not limited,

2012
03:06:46,380 --> 03:06:50,960
but we do have supplies in case of such a different emergency.

2013
03:06:50,960 --> 03:06:57,920
I do remember back in Wallisburg when we had to do not drink, which was much different

2014
03:06:57,920 --> 03:07:02,420
than, you know, you couldn't even boil your water at that point at time and be able to

2015
03:07:02,420 --> 03:07:03,020
use it.

2016
03:07:03,540 --> 03:07:08,180
I know it's a terrible inconvenience and I certainly hope that we can get this taken care

2017
03:07:08,180 --> 03:07:11,980
of and we can get things in place so that that is not there much longer.

2018
03:07:12,180 --> 03:07:17,800
I'm just scared about putting a policy in place that may transform farther down the road.

2019
03:07:18,420 --> 03:07:25,820
I will skip the policy because if it's going to interfere with what would happen

2020
03:07:25,820 --> 03:07:31,260
provincially under under a rate and the emergency as she pays to complain to us

2021
03:07:31,260 --> 03:07:38,500
and then I won't even go there. But I do think that only to look at this and

2022
03:07:39,480 --> 03:07:46,580
yes, it is an inconvenience and understand that, you know, what this direction and

2023
03:07:46,580 --> 03:07:50,060
where this may take us in the future.

2024
03:07:50,640 --> 03:07:53,640
I would ask though, and there's mention here

2025
03:07:53,640 --> 03:07:55,440
about vulnerable populations.

2026
03:07:56,500 --> 03:07:59,840
It is my assumption that, and I would like this answer.

2027
03:08:00,260 --> 03:08:03,180
But I would think that if we have vulnerable populations,

2028
03:08:03,800 --> 03:08:05,640
they are being supplied water regardless.

2029
03:08:06,320 --> 03:08:08,040
And it is also in my understanding

2030
03:08:08,040 --> 03:08:11,360
that having reached out to our educational systems,

2031
03:08:11,720 --> 03:08:15,220
that they are in a position that they do not require us

2032
03:08:15,220 --> 03:08:21,120
to supply them with water. So if I can have those two items answered and then I'll just

2033
03:08:21,120 --> 03:08:21,460
make sure.

2034
03:08:30,920 --> 03:08:34,940
Thank you, Mayor Kenneth. Thank you for the question, Councillor McGregor.

2035
03:08:35,240 --> 03:08:44,240
So currently right now we are supplying water to all of our well long-term care homes who

2036
03:08:44,240 --> 03:08:50,020
have requested bottled water and they were really struggling in those homes. We are supplying

2037
03:08:50,020 --> 03:08:58,340
bottled water to the Wheatley Resource Center, and we're supplying bottled water to the Tilbury Food Bank.

2038
03:08:59,600 --> 03:09:06,820
Those are places where they are well-known in those communities for individuals to go and

2039
03:09:06,820 --> 03:09:13,680
access help, and obviously they are handing out quite a lot of water.

2040
03:09:13,700 --> 03:09:17,960
They're doing another delivery tomorrow to those two places.

2041
03:09:17,960 --> 03:09:37,160
We have been in contact with child care and some of the schools today, and they are indicating to us that they are good right now, but we will stay in contact with them as this goes on, so thank you.

2042
03:09:37,160 --> 03:09:37,960
And

2043
03:10:07,080 --> 03:10:09,500
I understand why this motion is here.

2044
03:10:10,060 --> 03:10:12,200
Unfortunately, I cannot support it this time.

2045
03:10:12,360 --> 03:10:20,820
I think that we have to look at the options

2046
03:10:20,820 --> 03:10:23,980
that are currently in place and how to help

2047
03:10:23,980 --> 03:10:28,240
an educator community and hopefully we will gain

2048
03:10:28,790 --> 03:10:34,240
the ability to lift those regulations sooner than later

2049
03:10:34,240 --> 03:10:39,040
and that that and I know I wouldn't want to be having the

2050
03:10:39,040 --> 03:10:43,600
boil of my water for a minute either but you know I think that we

2051
03:10:43,600 --> 03:10:48,040
need to maybe look at the bigger picture and what we need to

2052
03:10:48,040 --> 03:10:54,360
move forward with in this and and as for policy I think if it's

2053
03:10:54,360 --> 03:10:59,620
covered prevention through emergency response then I'm also

2054
03:10:59,620 --> 03:11:02,420
happy with that so and I'll admit that thank you.

2055
03:11:06,710 --> 03:11:10,730
Okay, we got a number of speakers. Councillor Bondy followed by Councillor McGrale.

2056
03:11:17,500 --> 03:11:20,480
We're kind of overthinking the same Councillor

2057
03:11:24,420 --> 03:11:29,790
Anderson. It's just two bottles of water available

2058
03:11:29,790 --> 03:11:37,430
to people that need it that want. It's not a big ask, it's water, it's not gasoline or

2059
03:11:37,430 --> 03:11:42,550
barza. If people want water, I think that as in this

2060
03:11:42,550 --> 03:11:45,150
you should be able to offer a seat.

2061
03:11:46,130 --> 03:11:46,910
Simple as that.

2062
03:11:47,350 --> 03:11:50,950
It's not policy, it's, this is a situation.

2063
03:11:55,210 --> 03:11:55,870
You have several people.

2064
03:11:55,950 --> 03:11:56,110
If

2065
03:11:58,610 --> 03:12:00,370
people don't need the bottle of water,

2066
03:12:00,590 --> 03:12:02,090
then they won't come and get it.

2067
03:12:02,890 --> 03:12:06,350
We as new as Fowdy can show our support

2068
03:12:09,720 --> 03:12:13,090
as offering a seat that's relatively almost like

2069
03:12:18,850 --> 03:12:20,590
the bottle of water that they need it.

2070
03:12:20,850 --> 03:12:22,850
It's available that you come and get it.

2071
03:12:25,690 --> 03:12:27,430
The water, it's fully water,

2072
03:12:31,140 --> 03:12:31,480
it's just both.

2073
03:12:31,480 --> 03:12:32,060
I'm

2074
03:12:34,690 --> 03:12:36,010
not talking about the policy decision.

2075
03:12:36,530 --> 03:12:41,190
We're saying we're providing vital water to people that are under this boil water

2076
03:12:41,190 --> 03:12:43,110
alert or whatever it is.

2077
03:12:45,040 --> 03:12:46,660
It's going to be a very deep sensitivity

2078
03:12:50,980 --> 03:12:52,000
that we're behind it.

2079
03:12:52,680 --> 03:12:53,760
That we're always getting

2080
03:13:04,480 --> 03:13:05,160
out of the water.

2081
03:13:05,400 --> 03:13:07,860
And if we drive that tree forward back with all,

2082
03:13:13,990 --> 03:13:15,150
I think we should do that.

2083
03:13:20,400 --> 03:13:21,120
I think that's right.

2084
03:13:24,100 --> 03:13:31,400
I'd ask about how was the, how was there was a vision of being distributed or was there,

2085
03:13:31,620 --> 03:13:32,300
do you have any thoughts?

2086
03:13:32,300 --> 03:13:37,900
I know Councillor Bondi mentioned in there they come and get it so we need to be clear

2087
03:13:37,900 --> 03:13:42,940
on what we're asking for. Certainly if we have to hire a number of staff

2088
03:13:42,940 --> 03:13:48,720
to do it, it doesn't become as cheap of an option as what it is. Like if we just could buy

2089
03:13:48,720 --> 03:13:53,220
water and put it there and people come and get it, it's one thing. But anyway, can Councillor

2090
03:13:53,220 --> 03:14:00,200
Could you clarify? Sorry, I'm going to Councillor Anderson, the mover of the task from that.

2091
03:14:02,260 --> 03:14:04,520
Sure. And through you, thank you for the question.

2092
03:14:04,680 --> 03:14:08,880
I think that if you were to do what Councillor Bondy has suggested, they'd get a truck, bring

2093
03:14:08,880 --> 03:14:13,320
it to the arena and say, hey, you can come get water if you need it. That would be more than

2094
03:14:13,320 --> 03:14:17,000
enough for anyone to go and get it. If someone need to grab it for their elderly neighbor

2095
03:14:17,000 --> 03:14:20,600
that maybe doesn't drive, then they would. You know, like we're a pretty tight-knit community

2096
03:14:20,600 --> 03:14:27,620
I'm sure that we would not need to distribute it everyone in Wheatley until we would gladly help their neighbor

2097
03:14:27,620 --> 03:14:33,260
If they couldn't get there to get it and yeah, I don't I think just some place to distribute it is all that's needed.

2098
03:14:33,760 --> 03:14:37,960
Okay. Okay, so counts from a grail fold by Councillor Crue.

2099
03:14:39,220 --> 03:14:42,420
Thank you, Americana. My question is Tim.

2100
03:14:42,420 --> 03:14:55,780
Um, um, have we, how many times have we had a boil advisory past two weeks in the last ten years or ever?

2101
03:15:10,190 --> 03:15:40,170
Here, asking for staff, sorry, through you, Mayor. You're asking for staff, I don't have my fingertips. Last year we had a boil water in Wallisburg. I think that lasted almost a week in a bit because of a broken main pipe in the distribution system. From time to time, we do have boil waters that happen independently on the streets due to water main breaks through the winter time. Those will happen now and again. But for community-wide boil waters, Wallisburg comes to mind last year.

2102
03:15:40,170 --> 03:15:45,410
this year, and Ridge Town would be my last one that was on the books about 2014.

2103
03:15:47,430 --> 03:15:51,250
And that was the same length, like around the two-week mark or a week and a half-mark.

2104
03:15:51,650 --> 03:15:57,010
Ridge Town, I believe that one lasted probably a week or so, just over a week.

2105
03:15:57,450 --> 03:15:57,890
Thank you.

2106
03:16:00,640 --> 03:16:02,700
Councillor Crue, followed by Councillor Story.

2107
03:16:03,460 --> 03:16:03,940
Thank you.

2108
03:16:04,220 --> 03:16:06,120
Tim, you might as well stay there.

2109
03:16:06,120 --> 03:16:06,740
How

2110
03:16:12,440 --> 03:16:20,120
much do you expect this particular motion to cost?

2111
03:16:22,180 --> 03:16:25,160
I know you're just guessing here.

2112
03:16:26,460 --> 03:16:31,520
Through the municipal planning group, through the EOC, that planning group has done some pre-work.

2113
03:16:32,240 --> 03:16:35,440
And I think there are certain compiles and numbers today and I think Bruce has that.

2114
03:16:35,440 --> 03:16:39,060
But perhaps I can address that, your worship.

2115
03:16:39,360 --> 03:16:46,940
So to date, we've spent slightly under $70,000 on bottled water, but like you heard, we

2116
03:16:46,940 --> 03:16:47,800
have quite a lot available.

2117
03:16:49,920 --> 03:16:52,060
And that's only to vulnerable people.

2118
03:16:53,820 --> 03:16:54,640
I say that again.

2119
03:16:55,020 --> 03:16:59,580
That's only to a certain particular group, I understand, the vulnerable people.

2120
03:16:59,940 --> 03:17:05,760
We have only, through your worship, we've only circulated it to vulnerable people, but I don't

2121
03:17:05,760 --> 03:17:11,360
I don't want to leave the impression that we have circulated 68 or $70,000 worth of water to vulnerable people so far.

2122
03:17:11,480 --> 03:17:15,640
We have purchased 70,000, but we have plenty that we have not handed out yet.

2123
03:17:15,640 --> 03:17:17,180
Okay, all right, thank you.

2124
03:17:18,000 --> 03:17:22,280
All right, so and councilman Grille touched on this.

2125
03:17:22,460 --> 03:17:28,680
Any boil waters in the past, here's what I'm thinking.

2126
03:17:28,800 --> 03:17:33,580
Okay, if I've been drinking this water all along, is it safe to drink once it's boiled?

2127
03:17:33,580 --> 03:17:45,320
And yeah, when we follow the public health guidance while water for one minute before a consumption is safe to drink.

2128
03:17:46,000 --> 03:17:54,220
Okay, and so we've heard that, you know, it shows good faith if we do this.

2129
03:17:54,580 --> 03:17:56,940
But what I'm wondering is what are we saying?

2130
03:17:58,000 --> 03:18:04,520
It's like, now it's not okay, you've been drinking this for 13 days and now we're going to give you bottled water.

2131
03:18:06,320 --> 03:18:13,380
I'm feeling that we're sending mixed messages here. Is our water safe or isn't it?

2132
03:18:14,300 --> 03:18:26,700
We're taking, I understand we're transporting water by tankers full from Chatham or an area to just, go ahead.

2133
03:18:27,680 --> 03:18:33,480
So, for the last 13 days, we've been hauling bulk water from Chatham and out of Lake Shore

2134
03:18:33,480 --> 03:18:35,400
into the Tilbury Reservoir.

2135
03:18:36,060 --> 03:18:39,340
We've been dumping it there and then we've been utilizing it within the distribution

2136
03:18:39,340 --> 03:18:39,820
system.

2137
03:18:40,260 --> 03:18:46,720
We've also taken water from the Blanum or the South Water Truma plant and the town of

2138
03:18:46,720 --> 03:18:51,800
Limiton through Interconnects into Wheatley and have been using that water to supplement

2139
03:18:52,240 --> 03:18:53,380
what we don't have right now.

2140
03:18:53,380 --> 03:18:56,720
Okay, so why are we boiling the water?

2141
03:18:58,530 --> 03:19:02,610
The original boil water notice was put out because of low system water pressure.

2142
03:19:03,210 --> 03:19:06,150
With the loss of the water plant, we were running out reservoirs.

2143
03:19:06,750 --> 03:19:09,190
And we're utilizing the reservoirs at that time.

2144
03:19:09,550 --> 03:19:13,830
And because the system dropped below 20 PSI, the regulation states that we have to notify

2145
03:19:13,830 --> 03:19:14,570
the public health.

2146
03:19:15,190 --> 03:19:19,290
They have a low water pressure concern, and at that point, a boil water is issued.

2147
03:19:19,630 --> 03:19:22,770
It's part of the process that the checks and balances in the water system.

2148
03:19:22,770 --> 03:19:30,510
Okay, one more technical question, so when that pressure drops, what causes us to trigger a boil water?

2149
03:19:30,610 --> 03:19:33,190
What makes us need to boil water because of the pressure?

2150
03:19:34,970 --> 03:19:37,930
Part of the regulations is a safety, is what it is.

2151
03:19:38,950 --> 03:19:44,630
It's a moment in time, it's a pressure mark that provides us that safety in the water system.

2152
03:19:44,970 --> 03:19:47,590
There's a precaution that we have to notify the public health.

2153
03:19:47,590 --> 03:19:56,090
They issue the oil water based on theoretically we could have a potential of water coming from the groundwater into the water system.

2154
03:19:56,810 --> 03:20:01,630
So it's a trigger on the whole process of oil water because of low water pressure.

2155
03:20:02,270 --> 03:20:05,990
It wasn't because of a bacteria law that's a good result, the trigger the oil water.

2156
03:20:06,410 --> 03:20:12,070
Okay, all right, I think everyone else has asked these questions.

2157
03:20:12,070 --> 03:20:13,110
It's all resource center.

2158
03:20:14,830 --> 03:20:19,950
This water is being distributed from a resource center in food banks.

2159
03:20:20,190 --> 03:20:21,030
What's the resource center?

2160
03:20:25,250 --> 03:20:28,090
Thank you, Mayor Kenneth, thank you, Councillor Cruz.

2161
03:20:28,550 --> 03:20:35,890
So the Wheatley Resource Center is, it houses the food bank and some other services.

2162
03:20:36,330 --> 03:20:43,370
So at the, well, right after the Wheatley explosion, we moved a number of services to the Wheatley

2163
03:20:43,370 --> 03:20:51,150
resource center including the food bank so they are still in operation and lots and lots of

2164
03:20:51,150 --> 03:20:57,410
people in that weekly community are connected to that resource center and so they are accessing

2165
03:20:57,410 --> 03:21:05,950
water there every day they're going and getting water. Okay, thank you. So the other part of this is

2166
03:21:05,950 --> 03:21:12,630
One of my questions is, this would only be during the boil water.

2167
03:21:12,850 --> 03:21:18,790
So if the boil water was done on Saturday, we stop handing out water.

2168
03:21:19,430 --> 03:21:21,670
Is that what we understand from this motion?

2169
03:21:23,150 --> 03:21:26,950
Or do we continue for another week until everybody's feeling comfortable?

2170
03:21:30,290 --> 03:21:35,070
No, no, okay, all right.

2171
03:21:35,070 --> 03:21:41,650
I'm going to ask that this be separated into two motions, Councillor Anderson.

2172
03:21:42,470 --> 03:21:50,630
That the first paragraph, the number one, and then the second part, the number 2.123.

2173
03:21:51,850 --> 03:21:53,530
Does that make sense, Judy?

2174
03:21:54,670 --> 03:21:55,590
Yep, I'm happy that that does.

2175
03:21:56,310 --> 03:22:03,950
I'm just, and I don't want to give the impression that I don't care.

2176
03:22:04,450 --> 03:22:12,870
But what I do care about is the message that we're sending that our water is not safe and it is safe if it's boiled and we're giving water to those that need it.

2177
03:22:13,210 --> 03:22:26,090
So I'm going to vote no on the first paragraph, but to have a policy in place for a state of emergency, which I don't think this fits the definition chief for state of emergency.

2178
03:22:26,550 --> 03:22:30,950
But I do agree in state of emergencies and we need to have policies.

2179
03:22:30,950 --> 03:22:34,790
But like you say, they could be trumped by the province or other things.

2180
03:22:35,490 --> 03:22:43,770
But yeah, so if we can get that separated, I'll be voting those two ways for those two reasons.

2181
03:22:44,850 --> 03:22:46,030
Hope that makes sense.

2182
03:22:47,590 --> 03:22:48,370
Thank you.

2183
03:22:49,290 --> 03:22:51,370
Councillor Story, followed by Councillor Thompson.

2184
03:22:52,950 --> 03:22:53,850
Thank you, Mayor Kenneth.

2185
03:22:54,190 --> 03:23:00,650
I have, I think I have a jurisdictional question because I, it's my understanding that the

2186
03:23:00,650 --> 03:23:05,870
The PUC is a separate entity from a municipality, I don't know who this question is going to.

2187
03:23:07,250 --> 03:23:15,060
Is it similar to Integress, for example, where it's sort of an arm's-length body that

2188
03:23:15,060 --> 03:23:20,060
Council has no decision-making authority for?

2189
03:23:20,640 --> 03:23:21,480
Is that correct?

2190
03:23:22,040 --> 03:23:22,580
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2191
03:23:22,820 --> 03:23:23,280
Thank you, Councillor.

2192
03:23:23,900 --> 03:23:29,520
So the PUC is considered a local board under the Municipal Act, so it is like a separate

2193
03:23:29,520 --> 03:23:30,100
corporation.

2194
03:23:30,380 --> 03:23:31,240
It's called a body corporate.

2195
03:23:31,240 --> 03:23:44,060
not quite as separated as a separate corporation that integrates is, but it is a similar type situation where it has a separate forward, which is called Commission, so it does make its own decisions.

2196
03:23:44,420 --> 03:24:00,840
So all kind of final decisions about PUC items go up to Commission. Now Council can make decisions about whether to have a PUC and things like that, so there is some control over Council, but day-to-day administration of everything to do with the PUC has been delegated well in the past.

2197
03:24:01,500 --> 03:24:08,520
to the PUC commission, so I pointed out at the beginning that decisions about funding

2198
03:24:08,520 --> 03:24:13,220
from this actually would go to the commission, and that's for that exact reason that you've

2199
03:24:13,220 --> 03:24:19,200
just flagged there. However, the rest of this motion really is more about how the municipal

2200
03:24:19,200 --> 03:24:24,540
team would respond to delivering water in these types of things, which is why I believe this

2201
03:24:24,540 --> 03:24:29,200
is kind of appropriately before Council still for a consideration on how the rest of the team

2202
03:24:29,200 --> 03:24:30,060
would respond to emergency.

2203
03:24:31,240 --> 03:24:35,760
Thank you for that clarification, because it now reads with that information, it now reads

2204
03:24:35,760 --> 03:24:43,440
to me like the first paragraph should be separated because that goes to a different body than

2205
03:24:43,440 --> 03:24:44,600
us as council.

2206
03:24:44,780 --> 03:24:52,320
I mean, I think there are five municipal councillors on that, six, okay, thank you.

2207
03:24:52,320 --> 03:24:59,260
So we have municipal representatives at that table who I assume discuss this on Wednesday.

2208
03:24:59,260 --> 03:25:04,640
I went to the meeting on Wednesday, but just to hear and learn more about what was going

2209
03:25:04,640 --> 03:25:06,420
on, so I would be well informed.

2210
03:25:07,620 --> 03:25:13,680
This was a discussed in the open session where I was attending, but I'm wondering if

2211
03:25:16,460 --> 03:25:16,600
that

2212
03:25:16,600 --> 03:25:21,620
goes to the PUC to decide for your next meeting, and then we discuss the municipal question

2213
03:25:21,620 --> 03:25:28,890
as the second paragraph onward, is that, I guess I don't know if that's a question.

2214
03:25:29,590 --> 03:25:33,990
I just feel like the PUC piece should be addressed by the PUC,

2215
03:25:36,860 --> 03:25:39,640
is that any more comment

2216
03:25:39,640 --> 03:25:47,020
to that, or maybe perhaps not, I'm not sure, because what if the PUC votes no, I

2217
03:25:50,290 --> 03:25:50,790
mean, there

2218
03:25:50,790 --> 03:25:56,250
are six Councillors on it, no pressure guys, I'm just wondering if this is, I'm just a little

2219
03:25:56,250 --> 03:25:57,410
We'll confuse about the jurisdiction.

2220
03:25:57,550 --> 03:25:58,830
It's going to be blurry for me now.

2221
03:25:59,850 --> 03:26:02,770
Thank you, Mr. Mayor, so I'll try to provide some clarification on that.

2222
03:26:03,970 --> 03:26:07,790
From my read of it, this is something that is well within Council's decision to decide

2223
03:26:07,790 --> 03:26:13,670
to do or not, which is in the event of emergency that requires applied bottle water or the Council

2224
03:26:13,670 --> 03:26:16,290
wishes to provide bottle water, Council could choose to do this.

2225
03:26:17,110 --> 03:26:22,630
You've also now, because of that amendment, decided to refer the cost issues to the PUC to consider

2226
03:26:22,630 --> 03:26:24,250
applying to one of their reserves.

2227
03:26:25,330 --> 03:26:29,650
In theory, the PUC could also do that first portion of this motion, but I don't think there's

2228
03:26:29,650 --> 03:26:34,730
anything that a council can't do this, because while the PUC delivers the water service,

2229
03:26:35,170 --> 03:26:39,370
when we have emergencies, generally, it is the rest of the municipal team that actually

2230
03:26:39,370 --> 03:26:41,370
does a lot of the response to this.

2231
03:26:41,530 --> 03:26:46,430
So I don't think that there's anything here that is outside of council's jurisdiction to

2232
03:26:46,430 --> 03:26:48,650
decide should council choose to do so.

2233
03:26:48,890 --> 03:26:52,530
It would also be perfectly appropriate if you felt that it was appropriate to refer it,

2234
03:26:52,530 --> 03:27:04,930
but I want to clarify, this is I think well within council's jurisdiction to decide in this type of event to direct staff of the municipality, which is within your jurisdiction, to deliver this bottled water.

2235
03:27:05,710 --> 03:27:07,030
Thank you for clarifying.

2236
03:27:09,850 --> 03:27:11,870
Councillor Thompson, followed by Councillor Juvenville.

2237
03:27:12,530 --> 03:27:13,650
Thank you very much.

2238
03:27:14,890 --> 03:27:23,490
Councillor Bondi painted this as not a big ask, but I'd really like to understand the size of the ask.

2239
03:27:23,490 --> 03:27:29,170
How many people in the communities of Wheatley and Tilbury are currently affected by the

2240
03:27:29,170 --> 03:27:30,110
Boyle Water Advisory?

2241
03:27:40,280 --> 03:27:44,040
By our records we show about 8,000 people are on water, municipal water.

2242
03:27:44,980 --> 03:27:51,900
8,000 people are on municipal water, so maybe a question for April then, how many leaders

2243
03:27:51,900 --> 03:27:54,400
of water or drinking water does a person need in a day?

2244
03:27:59,510 --> 03:28:00,270
Depends on your hydration.

2245
03:28:01,170 --> 03:28:03,430
Sure, depends upon your hydration from food.

2246
03:28:03,590 --> 03:28:05,330
Thank you very much, Councillor McGregor.

2247
03:28:05,330 --> 03:28:15,380
Thank you, Mayor Canne. So certainly we would like people to obviously be drinking a significant

2248
03:28:15,380 --> 03:28:24,320
amount of water every day. And so to pin that down, I mean it depends on so many factors

2249
03:28:24,320 --> 03:28:33,080
that it's hard to dictate what that might be. But I think I go back to Councillor

2250
03:28:33,080 --> 03:28:38,660
or crews, the water is safe if you boil it for one minute.

2251
03:28:39,200 --> 03:28:43,920
And so that I think is still where from a public health perspective,

2252
03:28:44,500 --> 03:28:46,800
we would be landing.

2253
03:28:47,100 --> 03:28:54,000
But certainly, we like people to be drinking those kind of 8 to 10 glasses of water a day.

2254
03:28:54,500 --> 03:29:00,020
So 8 to 10 glasses to 8 ounces in a glass, 240 milliliters,

2255
03:29:00,020 --> 03:29:08,680
There's two liters of water, 16,000 liters of water, potentially per day in perpetuity or until this is over.

2256
03:29:09,920 --> 03:29:13,720
I appreciated my time sitting on the PUC and I was sorry to give it up.

2257
03:29:13,860 --> 03:29:15,740
It didn't jive with the LTVCA.

2258
03:29:16,900 --> 03:29:21,340
Mr. Sunderland, what are the water reserves like over at the PUC?

2259
03:29:22,640 --> 03:29:25,200
Since that's where potentially this could be funded from?

2260
03:29:30,250 --> 03:29:32,870
I can probably look to Gordon say they're doing well.

2261
03:29:32,870 --> 03:29:33,490
Well,

2262
03:29:43,250 --> 03:29:49,850
maybe I'll rephrase that, doing well, saving up for, I'm throwing out a number 50 million

2263
03:29:49,850 --> 03:29:52,990
to our water projects and Wallisberg and things that are in it.

2264
03:29:53,130 --> 03:29:59,270
So I guess there is some healthy reserves right now committed to quickly upcoming projects.

2265
03:29:59,270 --> 03:29:59,970
So...

2266
03:30:00,180 --> 03:30:29,500
Reserves are mainly committed to other projects. I'm asking about the spare pile of cash we've got laying around to pay for it. There is some spare cash sitting there right now because those projects haven't began yet. That the major wallets were rebuilt, for example. Okay, so they're not spare, not really sort of kind. I get it. I think no. I mean, I tell you, if I was in North Kent, my blood would be boiling, but I don't know about why.

2267
03:30:29,500 --> 03:30:38,840
My water, as people have been affected by turbines out there, that is certainly, yeah, that's a frustration for sure.

2268
03:30:39,720 --> 03:30:45,900
I'm sure we've been doing a lot of bacterial testing on the water for the Tilbury and Wheatley residents.

2269
03:30:46,040 --> 03:30:47,680
Have we not since this has been put in place?

2270
03:30:56,410 --> 03:31:02,850
So we've done two rounds of bacterial logical testing last week and we did one more completed today.

2271
03:31:02,850 --> 03:31:07,710
Okay, and would that be an open session question, can you tell us how they went?

2272
03:31:11,880 --> 03:31:14,680
Last week's testing results came back all clear.

2273
03:31:15,560 --> 03:31:16,680
And we don't have this week's yet.

2274
03:31:17,780 --> 03:31:22,180
Today's samples went in, we won't have a result until Wednesday, possibly Thursday morning.

2275
03:31:22,440 --> 03:31:26,380
Okay, how many would we need to see in a row before we could lift a boil water advisory?

2276
03:31:29,920 --> 03:31:30,980
Thank you, Mayor Kenneth.

2277
03:31:31,600 --> 03:31:38,900
From a public health perspective in order to lift a boil water, we would want to see two samples.

2278
03:31:38,900 --> 03:31:45,580
take in at least 24 hours apart, and both of those samples all coming back clear.

2279
03:31:46,380 --> 03:31:50,960
Okay, so, all right, going back to my other question, is this a big ask?

2280
03:31:51,140 --> 03:31:51,940
Is this a small ask?

2281
03:31:52,040 --> 03:31:53,580
What sort of size ask is this?

2282
03:31:56,050 --> 03:31:57,610
The first paragraph that is,

2283
03:32:04,440 --> 03:32:05,660
so your worship, did you want me to?

2284
03:32:06,760 --> 03:32:08,460
Yeah, I can address it.

2285
03:32:08,920 --> 03:32:14,440
If you're talking financially, I don't think it's a big ask, and to be clear,

2286
03:32:14,440 --> 03:32:17,640
I don't think staff has ever said that the cost is the issue.

2287
03:32:18,880 --> 03:32:24,660
In the grand scheme of things, whether cash is assigned to other things or not, it's not

2288
03:32:24,660 --> 03:32:25,460
a big ask.

2289
03:32:25,700 --> 03:32:32,460
I mean, for 175,000 leaders that we initially purchased, like I told you, it was under $70,000.

2290
03:32:32,920 --> 03:32:37,740
And that includes, by the way, the delivery and the vehicles.

2291
03:32:38,040 --> 03:32:39,780
So it's not a big ask financially.

2292
03:32:39,940 --> 03:32:43,300
And I don't want anyone to leave the, I don't want to leave with anyone in the impression

2293
03:32:43,300 --> 03:32:49,740
that's ever been the concern. The concern has been we don't want anyone to think that by doing

2294
03:32:49,740 --> 03:32:55,480
that now and I think if this motion does pass we will absolutely have to spend some time on

2295
03:32:55,480 --> 03:33:00,340
communicating to make sure the public understands we're not. Council's not pulling this trigger because

2296
03:33:00,340 --> 03:33:05,280
you heard that there are any negative water testing. With that I think we have to do one way or

2297
03:33:05,280 --> 03:33:09,360
another quite frankly I think we have to do that so I just want to be clear financially I don't think

2298
03:33:09,360 --> 03:33:12,780
I think this is a big ask at all and that's not the issue from SAS perspective.

2299
03:33:14,740 --> 03:33:20,780
Okay, thank you. I thought my questions were going to clear it up for me. But to be honest, they didn't.

2300
03:33:20,920 --> 03:33:25,720
But I appreciate the answers. At least I have more information than I did. Thank you.

2301
03:33:26,400 --> 03:33:27,280
Councillor Judenville.

2302
03:33:30,240 --> 03:33:35,320
I was actually going to ask to have it separated but Councillor Crue beat me to the punch.

2303
03:33:35,320 --> 03:33:42,700
But I just want to make a comment to Councillor Cruz note about sending a message to the people

2304
03:33:42,700 --> 03:33:48,880
of Wheatley and Tilbury that they may think that we're, you know, by giving them water

2305
03:33:48,880 --> 03:33:53,480
that we're not, you know, we think the water is not safe.

2306
03:33:54,060 --> 03:33:57,220
But I think it's also a matter of convenience for these people.

2307
03:33:57,660 --> 03:34:03,900
I've read messages from people that they have, you know, three children at home and boiling

2308
03:34:03,900 --> 03:34:12,780
in water for everybody is it is a big inconvenience and I just think we I don't know because of what

2309
03:34:12,780 --> 03:34:17,420
the people from Wheatley have been through I really do think we owe them something because

2310
03:34:17,420 --> 03:34:24,360
they've been through a lot so I but I will support this and I do appreciate that it's going to be

2311
03:34:24,360 --> 03:34:30,280
divided as well because you might get support on on part of it at least so thank you.

2312
03:34:33,040 --> 03:34:35,680
I had a few questions, is I read the motion?

2313
03:34:36,240 --> 03:34:39,800
A few things pop up just how we practically make this happen.

2314
03:34:39,960 --> 03:34:45,920
The first one, Mr. Dubin mentioned communication, and we know there's been issues with communicating

2315
03:34:45,920 --> 03:34:50,320
people that didn't know there's a bottle or there's a boil alert with everything we've done.

2316
03:34:50,720 --> 03:34:55,940
So I don't know how we, in the short term, we need to address that, how in the short term

2317
03:34:55,940 --> 03:34:56,500
do we get everyone?

2318
03:34:56,500 --> 03:35:01,260
I want everyone to know where to get the water, how the little that's going to take some time.

2319
03:35:02,260 --> 03:35:06,100
I look at the, I want to ask a question on supplies.

2320
03:35:06,700 --> 03:35:13,640
So I know we've acquired some, is are we able to go acquire a lot more of needed in a short time frame?

2321
03:35:14,640 --> 03:35:15,820
And the short answer is yes.

2322
03:35:16,020 --> 03:35:24,400
Okay, so I look at the time evil when I see there, I'm wondering if our media friends are going to walk out here and

2323
03:35:24,400 --> 03:35:30,440
and announce, oh, you got water and we don't know where it is yet or when it's going to be made available.

2324
03:35:30,820 --> 03:35:37,820
I'd like to see in the motion to say, as of this date, you know, give 24 or 40 with some period of time

2325
03:35:37,820 --> 03:35:44,720
to say this is when the water isn't going to be available because I, so everybody's clear on us for communicating,

2326
03:35:45,240 --> 03:35:49,780
they're clear to say, as of this date, whatever it is, we need some time to get the supply in there.

2327
03:35:50,940 --> 03:35:54,860
And is the other thing, is it contemplated 24-7?

2328
03:35:55,300 --> 03:35:59,400
So if I need water at night at night, can I go get something or like you mentioned, the arena.

2329
03:36:00,140 --> 03:36:02,580
Those are the logistical things like it.

2330
03:36:02,860 --> 03:36:07,440
You know, if all we had to do was drive a transport truck of water and dump it, easy.

2331
03:36:07,860 --> 03:36:08,960
It's all the other things.

2332
03:36:09,200 --> 03:36:18,340
And what I don't want to do is create a lot of confusion in the public's eyes and say, well, geez, I went for water and there wasn't any or the door was locked or I didn't know about it.

2333
03:36:18,340 --> 03:36:21,960
So those are the things that I just wanted to plot on that, Councillor Juneville.

2334
03:36:23,080 --> 03:36:24,140
Sorry, I guess, Anderson.

2335
03:36:24,700 --> 03:36:25,020
Thank you.

2336
03:36:25,680 --> 03:36:29,120
And I think that they did say that there's another delivery that's happening tomorrow.

2337
03:36:30,420 --> 03:36:33,460
And I guess I could just speak to a number of different things and I definitely appreciate

2338
03:36:33,460 --> 03:36:37,120
the conversation that's being had around the horseshoe here about this.

2339
03:36:38,020 --> 03:36:42,680
So like the people of Wheatley and Tilbury have also been asked to conserve water.

2340
03:36:43,620 --> 03:37:00,800
So, they are, a lot of them are not even boiling, they're actually purchasing because they're also being asked to conserve water as well, and there's been a lot of communication on that because of the low pressure and because we're now shipping it in from other areas, so there's that aspect to consider also.

2341
03:37:01,740 --> 03:37:23,500
I think that recognizing the inconvenience of then having to go and purchase a lot of water or boiling it plus conserving it and trying to figure out how to navigate all these different things, I think that there are some people that could benefit from it just being a very easy distribution of the resource center has extra water if you need a case of water go grab what you know what they mean.

2342
03:37:23,500 --> 03:37:37,640
I also think that it's really important to consider that, you know, while there is 8,000 people, many, many people do not work nor are at home or like work within those specific areas either.

2343
03:37:37,980 --> 03:37:42,960
You know, a lot of people work in Windsor, they work in Liemington, they work in a different municipality that doesn't have a boil of water advisory.

2344
03:37:43,560 --> 03:37:52,200
So, I mean, like at Liemington Hospital, I'm not bringing water, my bottled water from home, I'm bringing something, you know, I'm bringing my jug and filling it at work.

2345
03:37:52,200 --> 03:37:54,380
with the clean water that I don't have to boil.

2346
03:37:55,040 --> 03:37:57,040
And I think that a lot of people are generally doing the same thing.

2347
03:37:57,220 --> 03:38:02,340
So I don't think that it adds up to like all of those thousands of gallons per person per day, per whatever.

2348
03:38:03,200 --> 03:38:05,440
And I think that that's also something to consider.

2349
03:38:06,020 --> 03:38:15,100
I also think another thing to consider is that not everybody necessarily is going to utilize this show of good faith.

2350
03:38:15,340 --> 03:38:21,400
We have a colleague in sitting on our table that has one of those funny dispenser things where you push a button and

2351
03:38:21,400 --> 03:38:25,980
puts the water into your, like, I don't think everyone will necessarily use this either.

2352
03:38:26,180 --> 03:38:31,700
So aside from, I don't, I don't think that there will be a massive influx of people that

2353
03:38:31,700 --> 03:38:38,580
will be needing to utilize this service whatsoever, but I think it shows good faith.

2354
03:38:38,820 --> 03:38:44,020
I think that it shows that it is a trying time for the people of Tilbury and Wheatley.

2355
03:38:44,360 --> 03:38:48,580
I think that it shows that this has gone on for a decent amount of time, and we don't come

2356
03:38:48,580 --> 03:38:51,800
to council next week so this could continue on for even longer.

2357
03:38:52,500 --> 03:38:55,960
We don't know how long the Boil Water Advisory is going to last, it could go on forever.

2358
03:38:56,060 --> 03:38:59,240
People think it's going to be a year or 12 months based on the communication that they've

2359
03:38:59,240 --> 03:38:59,540
been given.

2360
03:39:00,160 --> 03:39:06,080
So I think that we can definitely better improve communication as no one knew the sample

2361
03:39:06,080 --> 03:39:09,220
results and I don't know why that wasn't made public.

2362
03:39:10,440 --> 03:39:14,640
And I also think, you know, it's important for, it's not that people are going to think

2363
03:39:14,640 --> 03:39:18,340
that by getting bottled water, that our water is no longer safe if you boil it.

2364
03:39:18,340 --> 03:39:48,080
It's a simple fact of we are recognizing the inconvenience of you having to go in by water or having to boil it and we're going to actually just say here if you need water like really quickly on your way home from work because you forgot to stop in Liemington, you know, stop it and grab go to the distribution, you know, and grab a case of water if you need it not just anyone is vulnerable that anyone can utilize it if they need to and I mean, I I think that it's I think it's an easy ask I didn't expect to have this much conversation, but I definitely

2365
03:39:48,080 --> 03:40:18,000
appreciate it for sure. And I think that as far as the policy came through, I think that it's more for us to have something in place that we then don't need to have this conversation again if we do get in a situation where we are around here again where a boil water advisory is going on for the indefinite future of us not knowing for how long that was the purpose of the policy to say then we don't need to come back here and do this all over again if say Wallaceburg is updating their water and they lose pressure and they now have a boil water advisory for who knows how long

2366
03:40:18,000 --> 03:40:22,840
But we also aren't going to distribute any bottled water if it goes this length of time, right?

2367
03:40:23,380 --> 03:40:31,800
I think that it just gives us an opportunity to, when we know better, and we're putting these situations where we have kind of unprecedented things that we can discuss.

2368
03:40:32,000 --> 03:40:37,220
We can also form policy to handle it differently, should, and if it happens again.

2369
03:40:38,480 --> 03:40:40,660
I'm happy to give to the other.

2370
03:40:40,660 --> 03:40:46,960
Councillor, Councillor, I just like in the motion, I think we need to give guidance to say when is it going to be available?

2371
03:40:47,320 --> 03:40:49,540
You mentioned tomorrow morning, do we say tomorrow?

2372
03:40:50,040 --> 03:40:56,060
That's, but then logistically, you know, by 8 o'clock tomorrow morning, not many people will know about it.

2373
03:40:56,380 --> 03:41:00,780
So that's why I'm trying to catch up communication with the actual logistics of it.

2374
03:41:00,880 --> 03:41:07,140
So when it starts getting out, we have something we can tell people it's going to be available at this time, this place.

2375
03:41:09,260 --> 03:41:24,560
That's why I'm missing here, because it's pretty vague, and I just see it's a recipe for a lot of confusion if we just put it out here, and I can only see the next few days we heard about bad communication before, but if we don't even know what we're communicating, it's going to even worse.

2376
03:41:24,980 --> 03:41:33,940
Absolutely, and I can certainly, I can certainly understand that, but that's also, I don't think a question for me, I think that that's probably a question that Michael would better take care of.

2377
03:41:33,940 --> 03:41:39,620
So could I put a friendly amendment in here just to say, we give an effective date.

2378
03:41:39,880 --> 03:41:46,160
If the boy of water advisory doesn't, if last, I'll pull a 72 hour, whatever it is.

2379
03:41:46,420 --> 03:41:51,580
So we have 72 hours to set up logistics or something so that we said there it is.

2380
03:41:51,840 --> 03:41:55,500
But we know that we got three days at least to communicate in that.

2381
03:41:55,680 --> 03:42:01,840
And I think it sets us up for more success than just putting it out there, let's give them water.

2382
03:42:01,840 --> 03:42:07,440
and not giving the details, but at least we could go there and say is it just put a date in there?

2383
03:42:07,700 --> 03:42:13,020
In fact, if I throw that out there, because it meets the compassionate and you're just going to go on forever?

2384
03:42:13,280 --> 03:42:18,020
Yes, we're dealing with it that, but if it's going to come off in 72 hours,

2385
03:42:18,180 --> 03:42:21,420
well then we don't have to do any more of us, we've shortly thereafter or something.

2386
03:42:22,380 --> 03:42:23,700
Would that be an amendment that you have?

2387
03:42:23,720 --> 03:42:26,400
Yeah, I think that that's definitely a friendly moment.

2388
03:42:26,640 --> 03:42:30,180
I mean, I think that Michael would be able to say when we would be able to start

2389
03:42:30,180 --> 03:42:41,040
distributing more water to more people, but then also, I also would like in the policy to say like as soon as the oil water advisory is lifted, I think that we should immediately stop distribution of water.

2390
03:42:42,820 --> 03:42:46,900
Yeah, thank you through you, your worship. So I guess I'll deal with the second issue first.

2391
03:42:47,580 --> 03:42:56,220
In the way that motion is word is it says air is affected by the water advisory. If there's no more water advisory than I presume we would stop handing out water at that point in time.

2392
03:42:56,220 --> 03:42:58,020
So I think that question's answered.

2393
03:42:59,740 --> 03:43:03,680
Although you're the mover of the motion, but I'm assuming that you're not in agreement.

2394
03:43:03,980 --> 03:43:08,720
So yeah, so once the water advisory is lifted, then at that point we can stop any bottle

2395
03:43:08,720 --> 03:43:09,140
of water.

2396
03:43:10,760 --> 03:43:15,640
I believe that we can, because as the chief stated earlier, we've already had some discussions.

2397
03:43:15,660 --> 03:43:19,820
I think that I'm going to say 48 hours.

2398
03:43:20,320 --> 03:43:23,520
we should be able to start handling

2399
03:43:23,520 --> 03:43:25,520
things, hiding water out.

2400
03:43:26,480 --> 03:43:29,080
What that will do is give us time to communicate

2401
03:43:29,080 --> 03:43:31,000
when, where, why?

2402
03:43:31,300 --> 03:43:33,080
I really think the why part is very important.

2403
03:43:33,220 --> 03:43:34,820
I think we've heard that a few times now.

2404
03:43:35,160 --> 03:43:37,100
We really want to make sure the people are in panicking

2405
03:43:37,100 --> 03:43:39,880
and thinking that, oh, there must have been some negative tests

2406
03:43:39,880 --> 03:43:41,360
so now they're handing out bottled water.

2407
03:43:41,500 --> 03:43:43,760
I really like the emphasis on the recognizing

2408
03:43:43,760 --> 03:43:46,020
the inconvenience to people, especially in Wheatley

2409
03:43:46,020 --> 03:43:47,040
and everything they've been through.

2410
03:43:47,480 --> 03:43:49,220
So we need time to do that because otherwise

2411
03:43:49,220 --> 03:44:03,300
otherwise you will immediately get phone calls from people complaining they don't know where to go or they showed up and it wasn't ready that sort of thing so I would say 48 hours, yeah 48 hours would actually that doesn't make a lot of sense in the middle of the night now so probably

2412
03:44:04,800 --> 03:44:09,380
Thursday morning, would you agree Thursday morning, Bruce and the chief?

2413
03:44:16,090 --> 03:44:16,670
It's Monday.

2414
03:44:16,950 --> 03:44:17,090
Okay.

2415
03:44:18,230 --> 03:44:22,290
I think we just talked about why do we say Thursday at noon to give us time to communicate

2416
03:44:22,290 --> 03:44:26,810
it on Thursday morning if that's fair and then Councillor

2417
03:44:29,150 --> 03:44:30,130
Anderson, if you're okay

2418
03:44:30,130 --> 03:44:32,890
with that now, I think it can be in the motion or not.

2419
03:44:33,070 --> 03:44:35,910
If everybody agrees that it's going to be that time, we'll make it happen.

2420
03:44:36,070 --> 03:44:39,010
But if you want to add it to the motion, it just gives us more direction.

2421
03:44:39,710 --> 03:44:40,210
Thank you.

2422
03:44:40,410 --> 03:44:43,230
We can certainly add that but I think that Thursday is more than reasonable.

2423
03:44:43,830 --> 03:44:46,790
I guess my other question would then be for April.

2424
03:44:46,790 --> 03:44:51,470
So if this next test comes back, is this considered the third consecutive that's been and then

2425
03:44:51,470 --> 03:44:55,470
will we potentially have this lifted or what is the direction from public health at this

2426
03:44:55,470 --> 03:44:55,590
time?

2427
03:44:56,990 --> 03:44:59,970
Thank you, Mary-Can if so all starts, certainly Tim can chime in.

2428
03:45:01,700 --> 03:45:29,980
So we are working as public health very, very closely with the PUC. As soon as and Tim can comment on this, they feel that they have stabilized the system. Then we will do our two tests. So once that, once Tim gives us the go ahead, that everything is stable. Then we'll do the first round of tests. And then we'll do the first round of testing. And then we'll do the first round of testing. And then we'll do the first round of testing. And then we'll do the first round of testing.

2429
03:45:29,980 --> 03:45:38,480
do the second round of tests and if those come back then we will and they're all clear we'll be able to lift the boil water.

2430
03:45:39,360 --> 03:45:49,280
So what I would while my mics on say I want everyone to remember we do have bottled water at the resource center and at the Tilbury Food Bank.

2431
03:45:49,780 --> 03:45:57,700
So in that interim time while we are setting up a bigger kind of distribution,

2432
03:45:58,340 --> 03:46:01,960
We do have water available in both communities.

2433
03:46:03,180 --> 03:46:05,340
Yeah, and I thank you for clarifying that.

2434
03:46:05,460 --> 03:46:10,100
I think that I'm glad that you clarified that these samples are not considered to be

2435
03:46:10,100 --> 03:46:14,380
part of the samples that would be determined of lifting the advisory.

2436
03:46:15,200 --> 03:46:21,960
This is still considered an unstable situation until it's deemed that we can maintain this

2437
03:46:21,960 --> 03:46:23,320
pressure long-term.

2438
03:46:23,320 --> 03:46:24,020
So,

2439
03:46:26,620 --> 03:46:30,260
Mr. Mayor, yes, that's exactly what we're doing, we're working in public health.

2440
03:46:31,240 --> 03:46:33,880
After the fire of the water treatment plan, it was unusable.

2441
03:46:34,380 --> 03:46:36,400
We have a brand new system we had to learn from.

2442
03:46:36,940 --> 03:46:42,520
The sampling that we did in the last week and a half was to do some checks and

2443
03:46:42,520 --> 03:46:48,820
balances to make sure and ensure that we are able to maintain this water system in the current state's end.

2444
03:46:49,480 --> 03:46:53,340
And that's what it is, it's just confirmation for us to make some decisions that we're doing.

2445
03:46:53,340 --> 03:46:57,680
everything we can possibly do to make sure the water is going to be safe at the

2446
03:46:57,680 --> 03:47:01,460
end of the day when we do our two consecutive declarations. Thank you and I

2447
03:47:01,460 --> 03:47:07,560
certainly appreciate that how much longer before you think that you would

2448
03:47:07,560 --> 03:47:08,380
consider this stable.

2449
03:47:12,070 --> 03:47:15,390
I can answer that at that time. We are learning every day

2450
03:47:15,390 --> 03:47:18,890
and I'll say that we are learning every day and we're becoming more confident and

2451
03:47:19,530 --> 03:47:22,910
things are getting closer and that's what I'll leave it at. I don't know what

2452
03:47:22,910 --> 03:47:26,790
media wants to spin it at, but we're getting closer, okay?

2453
03:47:29,720 --> 03:47:32,800
No, and I definitely appreciate that honesty, and I think that I think that the more

2454
03:47:32,800 --> 03:47:36,120
honest and the more detail that we can provide in this situation, the better, because there

2455
03:47:36,120 --> 03:47:39,600
is a lot of questions coming through, and I know you and I, and I'm so thankful for conversations

2456
03:47:39,600 --> 03:47:44,740
that we've had candidly, candid conversations of the frustrations and things that people

2457
03:47:44,740 --> 03:47:45,120
are feeling.

2458
03:47:45,280 --> 03:47:49,780
So I definitely think that the more detail that we can get out to everybody, the better.

2459
03:47:49,900 --> 03:47:54,300
And I think being truthful and honest and saying, we are not confident at this time, which

2460
03:47:54,300 --> 03:47:58,240
is why we have not done the testing to determine whether we can lift it.

2461
03:47:58,360 --> 03:48:02,820
So I'm thankful for that, and I definitely appreciate that honesty and transparency.

2462
03:48:03,220 --> 03:48:06,740
And I think that moving forward, I definitely appreciate your expertise on this,

2463
03:48:06,800 --> 03:48:09,460
and that you wouldn't move forward with something until you were sure.

2464
03:48:09,620 --> 03:48:12,420
So I definitely appreciate that.

2465
03:48:13,000 --> 03:48:13,620
Thank you.

2466
03:48:14,340 --> 03:48:18,220
The ultimate goal for us is public safety, public health, right?

2467
03:48:18,740 --> 03:48:19,960
I want to supply the right product.

2468
03:48:20,400 --> 03:48:23,660
We want to ensure the public is safe, and that's our ultimate goal.

2469
03:48:23,660 --> 03:48:28,600
is what we're trying to get to. As for communication, there is a website through

2470
03:48:28,600 --> 03:48:34,420
Let's Talk, right, with all of our information going to it, from PC and Public Health as well.

2471
03:48:40,520 --> 03:48:44,520
Seeing all the questions, we're going to split it into, so we're going to be voting on the first part.

2472
03:48:46,020 --> 03:48:49,560
And then, so from there, we'll put it to vote.

2473
03:48:51,920 --> 03:48:53,280
Councillor C. McGregor.

2474
03:48:58,350 --> 03:49:01,290
Councillor Bondi. Councillor

2475
03:49:05,390 --> 03:49:11,010
Couches not here. All votes are in and motion passes ten

2476
03:49:11,010 --> 03:49:11,910
to six.

2477
03:49:18,270 --> 03:49:19,110
I'll vote in the second part.

2478
03:49:30,440 --> 03:49:31,360
Councillor Bondi.

2479
03:49:33,850 --> 03:49:34,550
Councillor McGregor.

2480
03:49:41,520 --> 03:49:43,820
And all votes are in. Motion passes 15 to one.

2481
03:49:53,760 --> 03:49:53,960
Yes.

2482
03:49:57,970 --> 03:50:00,290
Okay. Approval of communication items.

2483
03:50:00,290 --> 03:50:03,090
Councillor McGrill, you wanted to pull out item 2D.

2484
03:50:05,470 --> 03:50:05,890
Yes, please.

2485
03:50:06,490 --> 03:50:08,550
And I'll move to put the other ones forth.

2486
03:50:09,250 --> 03:50:09,410
Okay.

2487
03:50:09,650 --> 03:50:14,430
So Councillor McGrill and Councillor Allen are going to get the two of you to move the communication

2488
03:50:14,430 --> 03:50:14,850
items.

2489
03:50:15,810 --> 03:50:16,530
Happy second.

2490
03:50:17,430 --> 03:50:17,690
Okay.

2491
03:50:18,910 --> 03:50:20,850
Anyone opposed to the communication items?

2492
03:50:21,090 --> 03:50:21,690
Sering none.

2493
03:50:21,970 --> 03:50:22,190
Okay.

2494
03:50:22,330 --> 03:50:23,350
So we'll go to 2D.

2495
03:50:24,270 --> 03:50:26,270
And what is it you want to talk about with that?

2496
03:50:26,550 --> 03:50:26,730
Sure.

2497
03:50:26,910 --> 03:50:27,670
I'll be really quick.

2498
03:50:27,670 --> 03:50:38,810
But 2D is in response to, sorry, the notice of the solution of the Chinomkin A Development

2499
03:50:38,810 --> 03:50:39,370
Committee.

2500
03:50:40,010 --> 03:50:47,090
So I just want to take a moment to say thank you to everyone that's been part of that

2501
03:50:47,090 --> 03:50:47,390
group.

2502
03:50:47,710 --> 03:50:49,850
I have the privilege to be part of that.

2503
03:50:50,010 --> 03:50:53,670
But just say a little overview of what that group has done.

2504
03:50:53,670 --> 03:51:03,770
It started in 1996, and that group originally, not called TKAD, but in its origin, was

2505
03:51:03,770 --> 03:51:11,930
actually part of the collaboration to bring Greenfield ethanol to Chatham Kent, or what we

2506
03:51:11,930 --> 03:51:16,630
call a Greenfield ethanol today to Chatham Kent, so they were very instrumental in that.

2507
03:51:16,630 --> 03:51:27,470
But from the onset of this group and in its many different transitions, you know, they've

2508
03:51:27,470 --> 03:51:29,350
worked hard to represent Chatham Kent.

2509
03:51:30,130 --> 03:51:31,330
They've done a good job.

2510
03:51:32,230 --> 03:51:35,570
They truly believe in Chatham Kent and that we grow for the world.

2511
03:51:35,870 --> 03:51:38,750
So we grow for the world branding came from this group, too.

2512
03:51:38,910 --> 03:51:42,650
So I just want to take a moment to say thank you to everyone that's been involved in that

2513
03:51:42,650 --> 03:51:42,970
group.

2514
03:51:42,970 --> 03:51:50,770
to Kim Cooper. He was a very instrumental in the coordination of CKAD when it came back

2515
03:51:50,770 --> 03:51:58,950
and that hopefully in the near future with Councillor Thompson we can create a new group

2516
03:51:58,950 --> 03:52:04,450
to move forward in what needs to be done for a culture and chat. Thank you.

2517
03:52:04,450 --> 03:52:14,750
All right, okay, the non-agenda business, we've got, okay, here I get to take names here.

2518
03:52:15,750 --> 03:52:17,830
So, keep your hands up this for a second, now I'm just going to,

2519
03:52:19,980 --> 03:52:25,280
yeah, we've got eight minutes, good point, story, okay, and then on the right, and who else on this side?

2520
03:52:25,720 --> 03:52:32,520
No, okay. All right, so we've got five, so we'll start with Councillor B. McGregor, and then Councillor McGregor.

2521
03:52:33,120 --> 03:52:42,320
Thank you, Mayor Kenneth. I just wanted to remind everyone it's National Truth and Reconciliation Week in Chatham Kent. So thank all Councillors and staff and everyone in the audience.

2522
03:52:44,560 --> 03:52:53,780
They wore their orange shirts this evening. So there's a number of events throughout the week. You can see them on Let's Talk ChathamCant.ca.

2523
03:52:53,780 --> 03:53:03,060
Today, notably tomorrow, there's the TRC walk-and-flag raising that starts at 1130 at 495 King Street West and ends here at the Civic Center.

2524
03:53:03,620 --> 03:53:10,000
And there's a number of other events throughout the week, so I'd encourage you to check those out and participate where and when you can.

2525
03:53:10,400 --> 03:53:10,600
Thank you.

2526
03:53:11,780 --> 03:53:13,340
Councilor Grail, follow-up by Councilor Stori.

2527
03:53:13,820 --> 03:53:14,620
Thank you, Mayor Kenneth.

2528
03:53:15,180 --> 03:53:20,280
I just want to give a shout out to the grade 10 civil class from Dresden High School.

2529
03:53:20,280 --> 03:53:26,920
I had the privilege last Friday to join them in a discussion on municipal politics.

2530
03:53:27,300 --> 03:53:30,860
So I've been trying to get their mug in a shot.

2531
03:53:31,100 --> 03:53:33,040
So here we go and cheers to the civil class.

2532
03:53:33,480 --> 03:53:33,880
Thank you.

2533
03:53:35,060 --> 03:53:36,760
Councillor Storyfall, by Councillor Wright.

2534
03:53:37,720 --> 03:53:41,160
Just wanted to build on Councillor McGregor's note there.

2535
03:53:41,340 --> 03:53:46,280
It will be if you still want orange t-shirts or making pins like the one a few of us are

2536
03:53:46,280 --> 03:53:47,000
wearing tonight.

2537
03:53:47,000 --> 03:53:51,420
You can pick them up. The pin making supplies at any Chatham Kent library branch.

2538
03:53:52,220 --> 03:53:58,840
And you can also pick up the pins and shirts at 67 Adelaide Street south at the indigenous learning building there.

2539
03:54:00,280 --> 03:54:05,540
And on October, so there's that. The next one is October 1st, 1954.

2540
03:54:05,820 --> 03:54:10,800
The Essex and Kent Scottish Regiments were formed combining the Essex Scottish Regiment and the Kent Regiment.

2541
03:54:11,140 --> 03:54:15,860
Each history of the regiment has been preserved along with the history of each regiment separately.

2542
03:54:15,860 --> 03:54:18,700
I think good to note at the end of Legion week.

2543
03:54:19,060 --> 03:54:19,600
Thank you very much.

2544
03:54:21,060 --> 03:54:22,960
Councillor Wright, follow-up by Councillor Pinsnall.

2545
03:54:23,420 --> 03:54:24,340
Thank you, Mayor Canaf.

2546
03:54:24,660 --> 03:54:31,400
I'd like to congratulate the Ridge Roadrunner Car Club that was able to raise $30,000 for

2547
03:54:31,400 --> 03:54:39,120
their first car show on Saturday for hospice, the 50-50 draw ended up being for the person

2548
03:54:39,120 --> 03:54:40,900
that won at $8,530.

2549
03:54:41,540 --> 03:54:44,020
They'd done a great job for the first time at the event.

2550
03:54:44,020 --> 03:54:52,200
But the other thing is, I gave fair this Saturday at 12 o'clock, it's 169 years, and the fair lasts for four hours.

2551
03:54:52,600 --> 03:54:55,200
So, good hope to see you out there.

2552
03:54:56,100 --> 03:54:56,640
Councilor principal.

2553
03:54:57,600 --> 03:55:06,080
Thank you, worship, and I'd like to thank you yourself for raising my bid on the pie at our hunts' rehearsals.

2554
03:55:06,700 --> 03:55:12,680
I attended an Inrich town storm fall classic of charity event, which had already had booked.

2555
03:55:12,680 --> 03:55:18,260
I would love to have went to that hot rods for hospice as well, but anyway, both events

2556
03:55:18,260 --> 03:55:19,100
were successful.

2557
03:55:19,420 --> 03:55:19,640
Thank you.

2558
03:55:22,760 --> 03:55:23,060
Okay.

2559
03:55:24,020 --> 03:55:24,840
Reading the bylaws.

2560
03:55:25,020 --> 03:55:29,060
Councillor Pincino, Councillor Thompson for the first and second reading.

2561
03:55:29,400 --> 03:55:29,660
So moved.

2562
03:55:30,200 --> 03:55:30,940
And seconded.

2563
03:55:31,260 --> 03:55:31,820
And we're posed.

2564
03:55:32,240 --> 03:55:32,720
Motion carried.

2565
03:55:33,000 --> 03:55:33,760
Third and final reading.

2566
03:55:33,940 --> 03:55:34,440
Councillor Hall.

2567
03:55:34,660 --> 03:55:35,280
Councillor Anderson.

2568
03:55:36,280 --> 03:55:36,600
So moved.

2569
03:55:37,420 --> 03:55:37,980
So seconded.

2570
03:55:38,940 --> 03:55:39,280
Okay.

2571
03:55:39,500 --> 03:55:40,120
And we're posed.

2572
03:55:40,400 --> 03:55:40,960
Motion carried.

2573
03:55:40,960 --> 03:55:46,740
We then we have resolution of council if I can get council hall to wrap it up for us that'd be great that

2574
03:55:50,640 --> 03:55:51,020
chat

2575
03:55:51,020 --> 03:55:59,530
No way. It's late. Okay. I move that chat. I'm can't counsel adjourn to its next meeting to be held on Monday October 16th

2576
03:55:59,530 --> 03:56:02,610
2023 and that chat. I'm can't counsel authorize itself

2577
03:56:03,610 --> 03:56:09,650
To meet in closed session on that day to discuss any matters permitted by the municipal act by some move all second

2578
03:56:10,730 --> 03:56:13,990
Anyone opposed to wrapping it up at 9.56?

2579
03:56:13,990 --> 03:56:17,310
6, see none, it's a wrap everyone, thanks.

2580
03:56:25,710 --> 03:56:34,080
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