for
stuck in
the well if it's nice at least you can
sit out Boors and do something
maybe
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okay
who else is who else is going to yell at
the
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none
hey I got that
thing it off the
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counter
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like to call to order connect the city
council committee meeting for Mond it's
not m is Friday October 6 2023 and I'll
turn over to Mr
M thank you madam president I would like
to call the finance committee to
order um this evening we
are having our for um hearing on the
2024 budget proposed
budget and this evening we will be
reviewing a few
departments and I want
to Ferrari you want to take it from here
with terms of Revenue and after Revenue
we will then go to lot
Department
okay D you want to go ahead and commence
sure do you want me to run L line by
line or let's give it an overview first
just give us an overview and then we'll
go through um the big items and then
we'll sure open for any comment or any
questions from the members
the overview for the 20124 proposed
budget we are looking at a total revenue
uh general fund of 11 million 111 M
9947 um we have the
326,000 real property taxes proposed for
the 2024 budget uh Big Ticket items uh
are also including uh sales of use tax
of 17
million um we're looking at a new
Revenue stream of 300,000 for cannabis
uh sales
tax I'm
sorry trash charges we're looking at a
6.9 million proposed 2024
budget other Big Ticket items include a
4 million post budget revenue of sale of
houses joh would you like to go l l now
or no no no no just go through the big
big ticket items and that's for it and
then we'll have um if members have any
um need any explanation or any other
lines can did see uh p had a couple
questions about
revenues uh one of them includ the fees
and Year
date
$57 dat that's that's 2110a is that is
that 211 I didn't write it on my own not
211 okay thank 231 232 21%
increase um interest and earnings uh
questioning why we rais to
450,000 um right now here today we're
at$
42,6 interest rates are really well
today for the sale of H sale of homes
currently year to dat at 390,000 we're
anticipating another
700,000 proximately by the end of the
year that was somebody else's and I
think one of the other questions you had
was about get Grant and where was that
um adding State approval at this okay
that 521 th000 so it's not actually
approved yet yeah I thinke clarify that
ready to next
Friday about may I ask another question
go ahead please um you said campus um
additional campus revenue of $300,000 or
something propos 300,000 um we received
approximately 95 97,000 and that's about
one qu so we just being you know little
give you know give and takes over
estimate around 300,000 for next year
okay I actually um could you just tell
me what line number that is please I
don't think I saw
that
83075 oh wait no we just changed it
that's right
uh
cannabis oh cannabis I'm sorry I thought
you said campus sorry I'm so sorry
forget it I know what that is sorry
sorry
I thought he said
campus
a116 no I'm all said now thanks I just
misheard
you if you wonder why we call it tax and
adult use cannabis that's the state told
us to use that okay that name and number
thank you and what to date on
that 97,000 yeah
796
dere I provided you guys all with a year
to date that's for revenues next the
revenues and uh the other expenses that
we're be talking about tonight so let
you know that just
got I just want to let you
know so so this report here is the
revenue that's Reven year here is the um
expenditure for the Department we can
just make yourself
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Revenue revenues in color expenditures
are black and weight that's the way we
figured it help you a little bit spin
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expens other question go ahead please so
I wanted to ask about the um
parking parking it's like
a741 41A 41b um so the parking the 41A
just
a741 it says parking fees non- taxable
and then so I'm not sure I understand
why they're broken out that way the
parking lot fees
I or
$300
so okay uh parking meter fees are
uh what has happened as I recall I'm
just thinking off top of my head you
said we have the Downtown parking fees
that deal with the kiosks and stuff like
that as parking fees these other parking
metor fees I believe are the ones like
uh that we have I believe in Union
Street and the other Fe the other
parking meters that we have they're not
downtown uh the The Parking Spot search
charge uh that the parking spot fee that
says $300 that the mayor pays for his
parking spot and that's what the M
pays is that this budget assumes my
re-election so that is in
there the other day I came in here I
sold a May's car uh the marriage fees
for the first time in history are
treated as a revenue line here so that's
been probably
$30,000 ni donated back to the city so
we try and just project an image of
fiscal conservativism
and one time uh Council Pres raised the
issue were i' taken parking spaces away
from people with parking permits that
was done in 2011 by the voters we took
that
referendum uh to clarify the authorities
so
that terms and conditions of employment
solely the prerogative of the city
council
so parking is a benefit so if somebody
wants a parking space that's
specifically designated for them has to
go to city
council commissioner Finance has one
that we never went to the council if you
remember uh when I hired Deborah D
NOA I wanted to pay more Council was
hesitant about that and went with the
lower salary I said well I'll throw in a
parking space And so there's a
commissioner Finance parking spot that
was really for de D NOA
and Mr Ferrari does well here he might
let him keep his parking space or you
take it away from if you don't like
them you're good that sto you you're
good any other
questions go ahead please uh I had a
question about the uh Property
Management fees I apologize if you
already briefed that but could you just
explain what that consists of and the
reason why I was asking is because uh
this year it's identifying a 50%
reduction and it's line number on the
first page
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a1589
um uh we we have been looking we've been
working with the zoning department and
met with them uh in the past as you look
at to see uh in 2021 their fees have
only been collecting you know 28
25,000 uh we were looking we thought
that 2023 was going to be a renewed year
for them to you know go out and add more
more U cases uh but year today um 89
1789 we're only at 40,000 so we were
taking that number and looking forward
for 202 uh 2024 and we're we're thinking
that uh 50,000 is the honest number
before that until until we get him up
and running in a proper management way
again yeah I go ahead please question so
it's um for the on a 2770 miscellaneous
revenue
and in the 23 budget it was 368,000
and in the 24 it's down to 10 right uh
in uh in 2023 the water department had
one uh had won a a a judgment against a
a property owner a property owner and uh
uh we had felt that we we were going to
be able to get out of that
350,000 and we're still working on
getting it done I I believe uh a lot of
ask Law Department they come in uh we're
probably not going to get that money so
2024 if it does work out the council
wants to at some point go into executive
session I brief in Greater detail on
that that this point would be still
subject to litigation and
negotiations uh we drafted down to 10 to
emphasize you know what we feel you know
is the true value of that you know
revenue is going to come in you know not
not that
amount besides the not the 350 but any
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else because we don't have anything
outstanding that we know of that it's
going to come in so we can't just throw
numbers in there you and that so you're
saying that that didn't come in or did
come in it did not come in as of yet we
feel that it will come in but probably
sometime in
2024 thank you we're still working on
and as the mayor said it's something we
have to talk about in executive session
thank
you
um and my other question is for a 2590 B
Taxi and ice cream
permits so that went down um as well
yeah that that number came from the
police department when they're here on
Friday they can explain that to you okay
thank you that's number that they gave
is thank
you um that's f a 15 20 F PD Police
District Revenue wasn't I supposed to go
up say one more time eight 15 20 15 20 F
8 yeah it's going to go up by uh I think
3% or 2%
yeah but you don't have it I I think we
do we C right because because of what
know the numbers is distorted because we
we didn't start like a full year we got
oh
yeah yeah 2022 is 75 2023 is 225 and
2024 you have the same
thing double check on that if you can
check that then let us know CU I'm
pretty sure that we checked it you know
yeah exactly same number yeah jeez I
didn't realize that I know I know we we
had those numbers you know it is we
probably had the 23 and we wanted just
put it in 24 by mistake 15 1520
any other question on
Revenue go ahead please uh just forsake
a clarification uh it's the P4 a389 H
the casino license Fe right could you
speak to that differ okay yeah um you we
we are uh working with as you can see in
2022 we had 3.5 million but we were
working with the county uh in uh uh
getting these numbers and that's number
that we're
agreeing 3.6 million what what is our
actual you have it an actual right now
yes we do have that the are of the dat
we just want to get that number
again look at
1.87 Milli can you please rep that 1.8
1,878 792
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12 that's actually for two quarters we
didn't get our third quarter yet oh so
that's the end of
June yeah we we didn't get our
thir that's
great excuse me that is
great we're trying to be conservative to
with the honest number still you know
that means 24 is in good
place any other question on
Revenue okay we'll move on
to Law Department and then we'll come
back on
schedule
Law Department page
seven the law department for just a
brief overview um the adopted budget
2023 adopted budget number of
97756 proposing for the 24th budget
98925
that is a approximately 1% increase U
build
in24 budget are n
positions sure um currently you know
sapping levels in our
office uh consists of two full-time
attorneys um me and Deputy Corporation
Council morning we have two part-time
attorneys um we have openings uh in our
department uh for other
attorneys um we
have four administrative support staff
identified as the records access officer
who handles um Freedom of Information
law requests aenas that we
receive um other types of record
requests uh we have a uh code
enforcement
Specialists um who helps prepare cases
for prosecution in City Court um she's
also uh taking claims when they come in
um and interacting with our insurance
company um and outside Council once
those claims are assigned to turn into
litigation um we have an
ips3 who um you know answers the phone
does filing
more of the you know probably customary
um administrative work that you find in
an office we have the confidential
secretary to The Corporation Council um
she generally hand handles um real
property work um she's been out since
April
um because of um she had she had a baby
um so we're anticipating her coming back
soon um obviously you know from a I
guess employee standpoint it obviously
has made it difficult having fewer
attorneys than um we'd like particularly
full-time attorneys and having one less
uh administrative staff in person during
the year um to touch on if I may um oh
and the two part-time attorneys are
identified in um object 121 814 2121 for
DM salary um was 0.5 we brought another
last year current year we did bring in
another attorney to work part-time um
one part-time attorney is generally two
days a week the other one U generally
three days a week um but not full days
um for one of
them
um in terms of property sales um
obviously the number is lower than
obviously we would like um that's
multifaceted in terms of the reasons why
uh first we obviously obiously is you
know you know we didn't do a foreclosure
for quite some time because of Co we
were prevented from doing that um
because of
the because of co uh we have obviously
now done a foreclosure we've taken 105
properties our initial list was roughly
750 um so it's great that people paid
their taxes and were able to redeem but
we did take a a good number of
properties only in May um and as the
council aware they've been um
authorizing sales lately of some higher
pric properties um I think the last
eight non lot properties um that the
council's authorized sales for totals
484000 um so you know we're hoping
obviously to move more properties
through the city council um to to get
them you know sold
um one of the things that Mr Ferrari
touched on was uh judgments U for
particular um case um total judgments on
that right now because they haven't been
paid with interest exceed
$700,000 um we do anticipate we will be
um able to take you know get all of that
uh we are working there's a receiver
who's been appointed um we're dealing
with some legal um circumstances related
to it back Mr Mar was working on it
today um so I you know hopeful that you
know early in 2020 for um well the
receiver will be able to liquidate the
properties that he's overseeing and will
be able to you know make the city whole
in terms of that fine money happy to
answer questions that the council may
have as it relates to budget or anything
else that um in terms of the
revenue I don't want choose oh okay I'm
just going to ask um so we're going from
nine positions to eight positions though
and um was that ninth position ever
filled no so in terms of what you're
looking at right here um there are three
assistant Corporation Council full times
right uh it's important to note that um
during 20123 Mr Marney was at the
beginning of the year an assistant
corporation councel uh he was promoted
to Deputy Corporation councel during the
year um so that is the movement of one
assistant to the deputy which was
unfilled previously okay um since James
Commodore
was in in the office um that also
explains why the jump in salary for the
deputy Deputy Corporation Council um is
relatively high fure it was 9 it was
$95,000 for the 2023 adopted budget um
and it's U being moved to
$16,800 uh when Mr Mar obviously one of
the considerations um for you know
having an attorney in the office
especially when were short staff is
being able to compensate the attorney
for for being there um because that
attorney is shouldering more work when
we're not filling positions um so the Mr
Marty's current salary as Deputy Corp
council is
102 um which is when you add 4% to that
that's where you get the
10680 um because it happened partway
through the year where he was uh
essentially Advanced of the Deputy
position um there was money within the
budget of that 95,000 to pay for the
remainder of the year as Deputy Court
Council
um the three unfilled positions are
obviously positions that we've been
looking to fill um we've interviewed
some folks it's you know obviously been
a difficult process finding somebody who
um has the experience to obviously do
the work that we do since it is
multifaceted know we handle quite a bit
of different types of legal work um you
know the the goal even losing that one
assistant Corporation Council that one
of that part of that was um you know we
brought on a part-time uh assistant
Corporation Council during the year and
that essentially is now being reflected
in the bottom for the prum salary since
we went from 1 half to you know one
whole yeah um so a reflection of the two
part- Tim that we have right now
okay all right so you mentioned the foil
officer correct I don't see them under
your budgets she is identified as the
records access officer okay um that is
yeah that's the foil officer um that's
it's the same person she's been doing it
you know over 20 years um yeah right and
then also you mention judgment and
claims I'm sorry did you mention
judgment and claims yes yes so are you
talking about A1 1930 let me go back
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here on page
16 on which page I have page page 16
1930 let's just turn to that
page
at the bottom those are a judgment and
claims that we pay so that would be not
that's not the revenue scream that I was
I was referring to the revenue screen
the Judgment that we would be receiving
thank you um that was from our
prosecution of um some property
maintenance code violations on multiple
properties thank you yep go ahead uh Mr
C I think you mentioned briefly just the
usage of par legals was that accurate
the say the usage of legals in your off
so yeah um that's a good thing to bring
up um the uh record access officer and
the
um code enforcement Specialists were
both paral leals previously um they have
their paralal degrees um they have these
specialized positions now um obviously
the confidential secretary works on
property sales quite a bit um she's not
a
paralal um you
know obviously you know I would ideally
like to staff the Law Department with
attorneys right that's you know that's
the goal um short of that you know I
think having another person who has a
legal background a paral for example um
who has that experience potentially
doing real estate work um something like
that would obviously be helpful in most
law firms paralegals do the closings you
don't necessarily have an attorney doing
it we don't have anybody currently who
can do that which is why generally I do
the closings uh Mr Marty does a few U
generally that's
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me that being said the person who fills
the confidential secretary position you
know she's the person who's scheduling
closings um clearing a lot of the title
exceptions doing a lot of the scheduling
and um you know making copies and you
know really handling the communication
with the outside attorney the real
estate agent once it comes to us um and
then the folks that we order searches
from thank
you C go ahead please so being that um
trying to fill these two positions are
so is that
uh how how does that Rel to like someone
outside
Council fees that we're that we're
paying for outside Council so that's a
good question um so generally when the
city a lawsuit somebody sues the city um
our insurance requires Us in most
instances where our insur whenever our
insurance is covering whatever the claim
is um they hire outside councel um we
don't pay for that that's part of our
coverage um we do turn to outside
Council when things are specialized
obviously you know there are attorneys
who do things that we don't do um or
have more experience and then there's a
question of capacity do we have the time
uh to um handle a particular uh you know
some type of legal activity um is it
going to be too time consuming do we
have that capacity um a lot of it is
going to have to be for that that
question there is a judgment call based
on our staffing at the time what we have
going on some you know some days are
obviously better than others in terms of
what we have on our plates but as you
know you know things can like legal
conundrums can arise very quickly um we
do maintain some outside Council that we
use um you know it could be something
along the lines of looking at um we
we've modified the city code at times uh
we did it not you know I think a couple
years ago I recall with related to
vacant buildings the city council took
action but part of that was working with
outside Council who you know have worked
in other municipalities to craft
something that works that makes sense so
we wanted to really I think lean on
their expertise so we use outside
counsil
that so
essentially once positions are filled
then we can expect to see a decrease in
what we're doing with outside counsel I
think ideally that would be correct yeah
you know it's a most of the time it's a
question of capacity um and every so
often it's a question of expertise right
the special yeah the specialization of
that particular area of
law any other question for
Mr see thank you very much
you we will jump to development and that
is on
page 4
46 and we will
have page
46 so for the development
department to codes 88 8686 to
8687 propos budget for
2024 at 930,000
CL63 our budget for
2023 was 833 8 33,6 55 and look at
approximately 8%
increase and uh total proposed budget
fills are 11 positions
did you also cover Community Development
yes that's uh 8686 8687
okay a brief what's happening in the
department okay um currently we are we
have Staffing that is presented in the
the budget but we are down staff right
now in the development department which
um puts our capacity in Jeopardy right
now we lost since this budget was
presented we lost the planner um we have
a open position for a Community
Development supervisor and a new role
which is the Community Development
Associate we did hire and need um
currently a part-time position to handle
our home funding to specialize in that
particular um Federal program that we
monitor but right now um the priority of
the department as I am assessing and
trying to uh identify the gaps within
the department is building our capacity
and making sure that we have full staff
so that we can um execute
efficiently and that will cover that
cover both development Administration
and also Community Development yes okay
go ahead please could you just identify
I mean some of them is clear based on
what you said could you identify
specifically the um openings that you
have that are showing in the budget
please yes um 86 86100 the planner one
or senior
planner okay is open or development and
for Community Development we have the
Community Development supervisor which
we um the planner and the supervisor
role are both posted and we do have
roughly um 13 applicants that we will be
reviewing for the supervisor role in the
coming weeks um the new role that is on
here that is not posted I am working
with HR to redefine that job description
now that I'm in place I can really
understand what the department needs and
it's really a a role that will have a
little bit of everybody's kind of job in
there for call cross training because
right now the department if we lose
somebody we lose the skill set and we it
puts us 10 steps behind what all the
transitioning that has occurred so um
it's going to be imperative to get that
job description as close to Accurate as
possible to kind of be able to cross
train with some of the other um
positions so the Community Development
supervisor and the Community Development
assistant is okay
there and
and the
plan please so on the this lead
inspector risk
assessor um so there's that that
position is filled currently that
position is filled um she currently does
all of the lead for the home Initiative
Program and she runs the lead program
that we um contract out to the county so
she does the the the the our Le program
and the lead that is with the home
initiatives that our home ownership
coordinator manages okay um so I say see
there's a significant increase there yes
I would have to get you more information
Madam uh president because I'm not privy
um to the reasons behind the increase
okay if you would thank you I believe I
believe uh the increase is due to the
fact that
the I believe in 2024 the state's going
to mandate a our Le speci to uh all
projects to be led
inspected and what we our plan and the
reason why we give this extra boost as I
recall there correct me if I'm wrong was
that she was going to be training uh uh
some of our our code enforcement
officers uh because uh and like I says
in New York state is going to be
mandated that everything will be led
inspected so she's going to also be a
trainer for them because she has I think
probably almost eight nine years of
experience already
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so that's our plan for future
idea so is this the civil service
position yes it is is that particular
Duty within
that position
currently like being a trainer is that
part of that what's currently in there
we'll take a look at it we trying to do
it so that we can help our city at least
possible cost you know understood but I
just want to make sure it's within the
duty because if it's not then I'm not
sure if this is how we necessarily hand
because I know in other departments when
people do things that are not within
their job description and they pay them
so out of class payers a yeah well this
this is something like that you know
that's why would increase their salary I
mean this is something we we she spoke
we all spoke about so I will definitely
take a look at it thank you for
mentioning that thank
you can can we go through um Feast for
service line and explain um what that
comprise uh the biggest the biggest uh
as I recall dere one of the biggest
things in there is actually uh uh to do
with the tree program that uh Kristen
had developed as we' seen uh 140 and 23
and the 160 not uh not that that that's
not just for trees but it's also for our
uh Sue uh Sue lomard Su Lombardi who's
our uh
grant grant writer and manager so you
know she's helping us on the with the
the comprehensive plan for this year too
so it's a a basic uh uh strategy with
paying her and the big cost for 2023 and
24 is uh with the tree service that uh
uh Kristen had worked
on the tree service the tree you know
there that tree program so you're paying
those you're paying that organization
those organizations
correct thank you Mr
Williams Oh you asked answer my question
well if I may uh I was going to ask is
that figure the increase of $20,000 for
the fees for service anywhere reflectant
of those two vacancies so now that
you're fing applicants is that going to
offset that increase no definitely
not that's a question
any other question for the Department
of St thank you very much one question
might not even be necessary but I'm just
I'm curious as that that lead inspector
recycles that say it again so so lead
inspector um is there a certain uh
certification that that you have to to
do that corre yes you right right right
so I was okay
so are we looking to to do that those
same certifications for all our our our
code enforce will have to be
certified and our what we're thinking is
she'll be able to train them so when
they go for certification they have you
know they they'll pass it the first shot
you know that's that's our hope
yeah that seems like a pretty good idea
they to save us some money going know
that that makes sense that's that's
something hope it works out
okay any other questions okay thank you
thank you
okay we'll go back up and get back to
our regular
schedule we go to city
clerk sorry
no city council
I just a quick uh review city council
81 24os budget
163,000
uh budget the same amount so a
0%
increase any a
question no question on city council
just increase come on I just want to
mention that we included again in 2024
the outside legal services that you were
looking for last year weting also put it
in for
2024 actually
oh I'm going to look it
up go ahead please um I thought that we
had um put in for a request for an
increase for the city council I don't
see reflected
here for the City Council salaries
excuse me stiens they not
Sal he's looking down there it's my
budget that I submit to you and that I
had asked council members if they wanted
anything included it was only a response
for some of the stuff that music
gave so as he said that he asked City
Council Members to move on anything
including the response he got from um
Miss uh Miss Patrick however we' put it
through the clerk's office because
that's where our our thing came to the
request through the clerk's office so we
did request it was there was a request
it was to the clerk's office because
that's what where our budget is showing
up okay but departments make requests to
me and I have to submit a budget well I
understand that but initially you said
it's because we didn't say anything to
you so I'm just explain that yes in fact
that did happen okay so you're saying
that you you took it out correct thank
you any additional question this okay
see none we'll move to the mayor's
office okay mayor's office 81 10 24 bu
get 368,000
313 the adopted 2023 budget was
6368
669 0%
increase and that osed uh 24 budget that
fills our
positions any
question have a question go ahead please
um so uh in the mayor's office um
there's a administrative assistance to
the mayor and there's an increase of
about
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11.65% so I was wondering um about that
position of that's a significant
increase and when the individual was
fired uh that was the salary to bring
them over did not give any salary
increase going forward so that's what
they're being paid now this is what
they're currently being paid out of your
uh
hiring recruitment there was extra money
in the line item so I have not used it
out of the incentive l so the approved
budget last year was this 57 390 and so
I'm not clear so when you hired them you
hired them at the
64
correct and that did not come out of
your recruitment budget it did no it did
not it could there was money in that
line where it was vacant so for the
accounting we could take it out of the
other line and then there would be a
surplus in the other line it's just
carried in the one existing submitted to
you and this is a very new higher is
that correct correct thank
you and the other
questions um yeah just one of the the
director operations is that a 4%
increase as well or is that higher than
that 4% that's 4% should be should be 4%
all the rest would be 4% thank
you any other
questions oh yeah I The Innovation and
performance specialist is that position
filled is not but we're
actively recruiting and interviewing
thank
you I just want to point out U request
for the vacancies there is a document in
your package justable the
vacancies thank you yeah we'll go
through the questions
then and the answers okay so let's move
on to the Clark's department and that is
on
page
six
city clerk the 2024 proposed budget
39433 the adoped budget since 316 215
with a 4% increase and this is the total
six
positions that's Mel you want to wel
anything that we need to
know any openings that you have there we
do the uh Deputy registar is still open
it hasn't gone through Civil Service yet
in order to get someone tested so we can
put them in
position the unfortunate thing is with
civil service it you hire somebody
provisionally and they don't pass maybe
one or two times we train somebody and
then we' have to fire them even if
they're performing
well so you're entally I'm sorry move
there go ahead please so you're
essentially waiting for a list so the
people are qualified for the test to
come out for the test to come out the
test hasn't come out
yeah goe my other question is um has
your office taken on any additional
duties um we have taken on additional
duties um we now have to uh with the
state we we now have efficient license
that we um are selling so anyone that
has a friend that wants to you
know be the efficient in their wedding
oh they can come get a license with us a
one day efficient license fishing
license married you enjoy expect going
fish a lot more you throw in a fishing
license when
not no not
anymore um we've also taken on with the
office of can cannabis management we
have the uh 30-day notice to the
municipalities so we're getting those
coming in um during the year we passed
legislation where um the zoning officer
has to file all her forms with
us
and I think that's think right
now are any
questions
comments okay seeing
none we'll move on who wants to go
first
okay we'll go to fire department and
that is on page
25o
please everyone know our new assistant
chief George
FS so just a quick summary for the fire
department uh the account codes are a
3410 to a
3415 the 24 control budget 14 million
31846 in 2023 adopted budget of 12,8
9,48 we're looking at a 10% increase
from the 2023 adoped to the 24 proposed
uh the proposed budget in approximately
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positions you want questions thank you
you're not going you think come on just
want give
us um so
according to my summary U the 2024
budget is 1.3
million ler than uh
2023 I have
99.2% of that
8.78% which is 1.2 million plus is due
to contractual salary
increases uh which leaves us
approximately $60,000 or less than a
half half a perc increase in
operations
um we currently have seven openings due
to vacancies retired vacancies created
by
retired uh we
have I'm sorry how many vacancies seven
seven vacancies due to retirements in
2024 we're anticipating six more
retirements currently we have some
long-term openings uh
three due to uh longterm set two to to
207a injuries on a job and one we of
absence so that that's a total of
um with the seven vacancies and the Six
coming that's 13 positions and then the
uh the lead of absence which I'm not
certain that person be coming back or
not I tend to believe he won't be coming
back so we have 14s so we are uh we're
going to attempt to hire 14 in
202 uh in 2024 we're going to hire as
many paramedics as we can uh and also
we're going to hire four unts going to
be the first time that we're we're doing
that and with that
C some additional costs you have to send
them not only to the fire academy but
also to Hudson Valley for paramedic
school and with the emps that's going to
be a a long term before you see any
return on your investment that's about a
year and a
half
else well I want to just be clear that
we have modified the collective arming
agreement with local 28 to reduce the
salary those individuals coming in so
they because they're not fully skilled
paramedics so that that differentiation
in the salary will compensate for those
increased expenses in the
training and schooling too right
yes okay I think I think you kind of
answer my question um it was around so
is there anything for like we are hiring
people on as EMTs which I think is
really I'm sorry I said we're hiring
people on as EMTs and um sending them
the school is they're like so the
agreement that they have to stay on uh
for a certain amount of time in order to
um receive that benefit or would they is
there any type of lack of a better ter
kind of clawb say so we come here and
invest all this time into somebody
training them get their imp medic and
then they go I don't know anyone
whatever police connect to me but they
decide that they want to do that for
some reason is there like a window
period where they would be responsible
to pay uh whatever tuition reimbursement
that absolutely so we have a a sliding
scale if they leave the first year then
they're going to be uh responsible to
pay back the city for a certain amounty
second year third year four year okay
thank
you go ahead please I just have one
question on um line 3415
and I was just wondering um and I'm
thinking maybe you might have shifted it
to a different line but it looks like
we're eliminating the position and I
just want no let me make sure I know
what you're it's um it's the deputy
chief on the hazard hazardous materials
15 it's on page um
30 um and it's the deputy chief you have
for hazardous materials okay yeah so we
just put him in um maybe in another line
Emergency Medical Service fire training
no sorry
that I just that's that's good I just so
we just accounting for a minute we did
not eliminate that thank
you under
preventions he was in has and now we're
going to all count for him in fire train
yeah okay that's right okay that that is
his
position thank
you
done so how many firefighters did we had
in 2003 in what
year3
2023 um so we're budgeted
for9 okay that's not including the chief
Comm ass okay so 119 we have 112 on the
front line and seven in in Step
St seven on on staff on staff right that
includes our uh fire investigate fire
investigation unit our um our uh
Training
Division our Hazmat division so that's s
that's for in those different divisions
so you 112 are front line okay and so
this year I asked so were there were the
new firefighters that came on in
2023 yes and how many was that I
believe we s in 2022 and we hired two oh
okay thank
you um so also for a
3410 for the public safety Foundation um
could you just kind of give what kind of
activities are done for that that
funding 3410 what's the up 3410
402
up
yep uh actually that's worked out pretty
well we're able to do lot of good things
for that very grateful y um so for one
part of it goes towards our fire
prevention uh program that's where we
purchase items for for the children the
fire hats uh coloring books fire safety
equipment uh so when we go to an
event we bring those items and then
we're able to get them out okay but also
uh last year last year this year we made
different donations to William Reus he
did several different uh
community events that we were able to
make a donation to that
um the um food drive that was earlier
this year we were able to make a
donation towards that the um Easter on
the hill we're able to make a donation
to that so the different community
events we're able to help
out go ahead please right and also on on
l 3411 1330 The Paramedic bonus it
doesn't say doesn't give us a number of
people
3411
13033 par bonus the
chief yep so we're all paramics okay so
everyone in the department get that it's
it's contractual thank
you you say for management from
you that will change the Tad now when we
hire they will not they will not receive
that
until they get their EMP card sorry
their paramedic card and I think it's
approximately a year after that before
and
that's okay thank you go ahead please
before I begin Chief I just wanted to
say definitely congratulations on
putting into place that uh training
program uh it's going to be
revolutionary and I'm definitely excited
to see how those dividends play for our
future I'm definitely trying to staff
that this department is important and
it's definitely the right step um for
line
83411 406 in service training there is a
considerable jump is that reflecting of
having to invest more funds into those
training indiv ual or is that something
else 3411 what's the other
number a
341146 in
service so yeah that that uh takes in
account sending the
individuals and another question does
that reflect the four like is it uh per
student there is $110,000 or what does
that can you tell me again that
breakdown so you said we're investing in
four EMTs is there a cost Associated to
their schooling like per dollar is it
$95 I believe it's six approximately and
it could change approximately $6,000 per
student to go to to par school but then
there are other fees be it fees for the
college be it book
supplies thank
you
any other
questions can I see almost what council
William said when we met I was so
excited about this program uh you know
bring EMTs in and training them and did
did you come up with that did you how
did you hear about that you like the
idea I love it there you go seriously
yeah so um hoping it works out and we
continue to do that really yeah great
idea thank you Chief just walk us
through on the over time line a341
1212 last year we budgeted
860k and you're asking to POS this year
1.57 we've been underestimating that
line for a
while uh this is what we feel is a true
and accurate figure based on D
experim over that is page page 28 I got
it on I'm looking on the actual see what
the actual was
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today
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this the day there I can't see this oh
yeah I don't see it we're missing that
34 12 342 3412 112 think I'm missing
that page it's going from 3411 to
3413 you can blame that on anony that's
have nothing to do with
me
is this a double
sided it's just curious year to date uh
it's uh 740,000 right now 740
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yep you got remember that that is
through
September
that's that's I think September actually
September so uh you know the biggest uh
fires and for overtime are going to
happen September through December where
everybody just plugs in extra heaters
and all that
stuff and we've been um because we're
shorter we are asking our people to do
more to cover cover the ships and
contract they able to when they get paid
they can take it all in pay or they can
split it half pay half time
and because of the increased stress of
working more a lot more people now are
taking the time off which creates more
over
time back in the day when you didn't
have the over time you took the money
now they're able to do that split we
could always do the split but the trend
is now more people take the time off the
actual expense in 2022 is 1.49 million
for ACT actual overtime expense 22 2020
2022 work we're expecting to be the same
this year not 1.5 that's we're looking
at 1.5 this
year oh
yeah can you provide us an updated
report it's in here it's right here the
back back the back yeah he did looks
like an historical right for fire is
that what you over
time I
thinkig right here it's like it's
a yeah
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yeah if not we can get get if you don't
have any up that yeah if you can update
the pile for us can get that's a copy
back I would appreciate I don't yeah
that's fine probably just I know we have
it just like I have it we probably put
that pack I
mistake yeah that's fine all right let's
move on
um any other
question talk about capital budget now
or
no me capital budget do you talk about
that now or no we can if you're okay
with
it since we have okay with it yeah
that's fine fine we can do it think
since we have them here I'm back let's
get
over I think they have one
big be a good idea for to explain that
to you
guys I
think so the scbas those are
our our harnesses with our ear
bottles or we used to go into into
burning buildings in any other
environment that
is but you can't bre right I'll continue
breing that they have a 10 year life on
them yeah and we
have I think October of 2024 they are at
that end of what uh knowing this was
coming we tried to apply for a grant a
FEMA Grant and we were shut down rather
quickly because they said you do not
have uh a need absolutely have a need he
said no you don't have a critical need
critical need is that your equipment is
out of
date okay so in October it'll be out of
date then we could apply for uh a grant
but that is usually February March when
it comes out you don't hear anything
until whenever June July August it just
keeps pushing the back that will be
operating with equipment that is out of
dat um and then after if if you're
successful uh and it takes a while
before you get the money then you have
to order this stuff and that takes a
while realistically you could be two
years out of dat um it was something I
was very uncomfortable with that's why I
requested a capital budget 1.2 million
um is what we're asking for a little bit
more than that uh we are looking into
different things that could maybe tap
that down a bit uh we're looking at
leases if that's possible we're looking
at selling back our equipment to recoup
some
um and we're looking to get the best
price so hopefully it won't Fe that much
and maybe you know a near million or but
we'll see how that goes uh we would like
to implement a program moving forward
where we replace these uh during their
life instead of waiting to attend yeah
every three and the third year internal
discussion now seems to think that maybe
that's not as great an idea as we once
thought it was because the technology
changes so maybe in you know you you buy
some in three in the third year and then
at six in the 2third here the technology
has changed and now you're stuck with
some stuff that doesn't equal what
you're
buying so we would like to explore ways
of maybe budgeting I don't know if this
works you budget every 3 and the third
years for a third and you put that money
somewhere that you can in 10 years you
have it just like now if I want to
purchase a new car ask my wife let's
budget it and she says no and I don't
get a new car but that's a differ St but
if you
can that's the idea so if you guys are
going to be my wife and tell me no that
I go ahead please um
so is so how many is this This 1.2 how
many Do It um how many cbas does that so
it would be 50 50 for the for the uh
front line then 10 specialty units that
go on our on our trucks on our ladder
trucks they hook into uh a system where
you can breath off uh while you're
operating on on the platform and then
two rapid intervention uh CBS which are
different that's when if you have to go
in to get somebody that they don't have
enough air you can buddy breed with them
but it's a different cook up
so talk 62 different
so my followup question is just will you
be applying for the FEMA Grant again in
other words like when the time comes
when it comes out in February March or
whatever you said you'd probably apply
for that again and try again or if you
approve the capital budget then we don't
have an urgent need that they won't look
at
it that that's the the Lima we're in oh
so okay so because we'll buy these
immediately upon approving the budget
the money will be available on April
then it takes time yeah I got you okay
but then when if we were to apply for a
Fant and they said you have you have
funding yeah we have funding so you
don't you don't apply now I mean you
don't yeah yeah it force you into yeah
um either go this Ro here or operating
with equipment that's out of date yeah
we we use our equipment pretty hard yeah
um you know the number of Pires we have
you can operate after 10 years but
that's not something I'm comforable
with Chief how many you have now how
many units you have now we have 62 unit
yeah so we're just replacing what we
have
okay any other
question okay chief you are all good
thank you very much thank you everybody
a good weekend thank you me
too and we
move
utilities p
11 here we goes with ch
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point
Thank Take Care thank you all
thank
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you
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m
sir
yeah so they have different section here
so we'll go through one section at a
time unless you want me to do a summ
general a general summary for all them
and then you have a summary for all of
them yes okay I them off
okay all right so forties
ad2 we're proposing for the 24 budget
36547 the 23 buget
2,99 looking at a
75% increase in this three positions
um the utility sign and traffic 83310 to
a331 proposed budget of
79636 adopted budget 2023 762 817 that's
a 4% increase nine POS nine positions uh
the street lighting a
182 looking at 24 proposed budget
1.69 million the
2023 uh was 2,2
2,771
350 um that's a 39% de there um central
Communication a650 proposed budget 2024
60,000 2023 adopted budget 95,000 that's
a 37%
decrease and we last one is Central date
of processing 1680 of the 24 proposed
budget
83412 the adopted 2023 budget
63984 it's a 27% increase that's six
positions good all right all over to you
thank you Derek thank you ber you have
um charts outlining the differences
between 24 and 23 for all the individual
line items um bring your attention to
a620 Ton's
Administration there a couple plan
requirements in 2024 which will require
a change in um positions we're
recommending a change in positions
within this budget um we're proposing
adding an
ips3 uh and reducing one of the
full-time positions to a time period of
of six months that we'll see within that
um Pro
um let's see uh also there's uh uh due
to the plan retirements there's addition
of line items for unused vacation and um
sick bleed payoff and there's really no
other major increases or changes in um
the a61 overall did you say how many
have I did uh two two
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re
that's the whole
department pretty
much what do that's the whole department
yeah
exactly it is but we' made uh um you
know recommendations to um make
something um as seamless as possible of
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transition my hands up yeah go ahead
please follow me so um for the unus SI
leave 119,000
991 so that's for those two individuals
it is that will
be leaving
correct all right so I thought with sick
time is it sick time which is that you
can't carry over is a vacation or sick
you're limited on long time so that
we're under old rules oh you're under
the old rules and does this include you
as well it does for the retirement yeah
so question that I wish had been
answered years ago but here it is so as
I every year I asked you was there
someone else that would be you know we'
be would be able to slide seamlessly
into your position well like they said
uh within on the budget recommendations
that we've made there different
positions that we've added and changed
um to make this as seamless as possible
um change over there still needs to be
somebody um you know that position of um
signal superintendent is still in there
and it does need to be
um filled under my
um my feeling is it should continue and
you know we're going to um um what to uh
replace that
individual is that a is that a civil
service position it
is so we're going to be in the same
position where people have to test and
all that yeah you can hire people
provisionally are there any special
licenses or anything that that go with
that I there's there's minimum require
sure but no
Li thank
you any additional question on under
utilities
Administration okay let's move
to here let's do um central
Communication that is page
14 and that
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roll or 1650 1650 1650 okay 1650
um goes up and down you can look at the
chart in there uh one year it's up one
year it's down um the proposed amount is
$60,000 which is actually a reduction of
35,000 from um 23 um partially due to
the biannual maintenance thing we talked
about before we pay every two years for
the maintenance we get a little discount
so one year it's up one year it's down
but we've also been able to uh reduce a
little more um based on our um fiber
plant installation that we've been doing
so that uh um we're R still reducing um
least line costs so um that continues to
go down and um we're frankly in a
position that it's going to continue to
go down for the next um couple years in
my
estimation very nice yeah all
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right
question on this
section see none let's move to Central
data
processing okay um 1680 it uh Central
data processing budget shows an increase
of almost
$170,000 um primarily due to the
retirements we talked about um in the
1620 admin and the need to have um
additional positions um you know long
story short over three decades the admin
staff had taken on a lot of
responsibilities that really weren't you
know um in the correct place but you
know I've been here so long frankly it
started um you know we never we had one
big server in the other room people
didn't have desktops in their their
offices we didn't have uh uh email for
everyone I think we had five email
addresses when I started you know in the
city if that many so lot
CH no citya
address did you invent the I didn't say
that but there was no internet here
start so um yeah so um you know we're
now putting a lot of this into the IT
department where it belongs um and um
and we're looking to have an is um
ips3 uh and an additional IT specialist
Web Master are proposed in this budget
to help take some of that um workload
and split it up where it
belongs um other major things uh in
service training is shifted from the
administration cost um and an increase
uh in our fees for service budget of
about the
um
$225,000 that that fees for services uh
is for our financial software our code
enforcement software Microsoft
365 uh our security uh software for our
internet um as well as maintenance of
our um um um critical Network
infrastructure so that continues to rise
but it's such an important
um cost that have covered in different
areas
you said something about the inservice
training yes uh I said some of it
shifted from the um 1620 administration
because it's not needed there as much as
it would be needed in the it um to
continue to have these people trained in
cyber security and the newer equipment
that we have out there okay thank
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you
any other question on Central that
Pro go ahead please uh Mr Kio I know you
mentioned trying to right side some of
the roles and responsibilities making
sure that they fall to the not only the
appropriate person but the appropriate
persons to handle that workload does
that Encompass all roles and
responsibilities or just the individuals
retiring that makes sense I'm not sure I
understand your question so we tried to
outline
in our heads as much as possible um
sufficient staff to handle the duties
that were um originally in the
administration um budget that answer
your question um and maintaining that
position for the traffic duties that
that position originally um would have
been
hand so our new the new high whenever
that happens will not have as many
duties as you currently do have taken on
over the years correct
okay thank
you any other
questions we're still going to do like
sign maintenance and traffic yep
okay I have all
my we just have no food It's all under U
ility so I wasn't sure yes so we're
moving on to page AG 22 utility sign
main that speaks volumes in itself not
even in the same places you know what I
mean what page page 22 got
it and I will roll
into 20 23 so sign maintenance there's
really no major changes in this budget
the increase is like $88,000 mostly due
to uh negotiated contra
changes um I know there was a a late
question from councilwoman Patrick
concerning um whether or not there were
dollars in there for traffic cing um
techniques there's certainly dollars in
there for signage most traffic cing
devices require big dollars and they
would you typically be either in a
capital or
um you know chips uh funded project or
something like that to be quite honest
with
you looking at looking at the painters
painter there's so increase is because
cont cont they're in contract
negotiation go please so um it's about
so these signs I'm seeing I was driving
around last night and I see this there's
like this additional I don't know if
this comes under us this additional
thing on the sign where it's illuminated
it's those reflectors that are going
down the is that something that we're
currently doing okay
and how do we decide where they
go well I think many of what you see
were part of a capital project that Mr
wiing did that and when he replaced the
signs um he had them add that device um
brings much more attention to the sign
be able to um see it um you know CU I
saw Rand good idea on conso road the one
you know Council world had signs stop
signs going all the way up one of them
had that on it night so I just figing
trying to figure out how we've also used
it before where we've had signs that
were um hit struck regularly right to
bring more attention to the fact that
it's there
okay thank you go ahead so back to the
traffic coming equipment and door
signage or whatever we need um obviously
it's been something that we've been
talking about quite a bit Mr Paul many
introduced some things I mean we've been
just talking you know I know that you
and Mr Wallen are going to be coming
back to us with some some plans so if
it's not in the
budget how do we I mean it's hard to
budget something if we don't know the
magnitude of what we're talking about um
you know we talked um we've had some
installation of he speed bump pumps
right you know those are um there's high
cost to them um and we need to figure
out a a true way of making sure that
just one phone call cannot you know
um make someone think that they can get
that right there has to be a plan um one
of the great things about U being able
to collect the data like we're
collecting now is you know we have some
information to back that up um you
certainly can take a number and throw it
out there to be able to have
available um you know to be used for
that but I think we need a plan yeah
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first any other question on sign Manas
please in some features could actually
be designed in the paving
program so the money that's there there
may be modifications either in the way
the street is laid out for in the
delineation we put on it for striping
and other Market absolutely
y any other question on this section
let's move on to utilities
traffic so the uh 24 utilities a 3311
traffic budget also has a planned
retirement um which requires another uh
line a couple line items for unused
vacation and Si leave
um there is a reduction in the uh 200
equipment line um that brings it back
down so uh the 24 request is about
$26,000 more in total more than the um
23 adopted
budget and that's um those are the only
major changes in there I think that was
uh another question you had so in 23
this year the equipment code of $60,000
that request was used to purchase um a
large number of traffic controllers so
that um back to our fiber deployment
right so we put so much fiber out um
we're replacing the old traffic signal
controllers on State Street um primarily
with new ones that have ethernet based
control so that we can communicate with
with them as the old system that we had
uh no longer works so that gave us um an
sufficient number of traffic signal
controllers actually haven't even
received them yet we're waiting for them
um to be able to um go all the way up to
the City Line put coordination back in
there um lets us know if a lights on
flash if there's a problem with one
sends us messages really good to have so
um
um the 24 budget I think dropped down to
what 20,000 so I'm looking for a few
more to continue that program but not on
um not on a large scale um I think it's
important we saw the uh fire department
before here asking for large some of
money to replace all those units at the
same time we need to make sure that we
replace pieces of them every year right
and not the entire thing in the future
right to make sure that uh uh we don't
have that big number so that that's what
I'm I'm asking to continue um with a
smaller amount but yet still continue
the um project of updating possible
thank
you any other
questions
traic okay seeing none we'll move
to page I just so I know I I heard what
you were saying around you really want
to know like what the scope of the
project could be before you could come
ex money that makes sense um I'm just I
guess and I don't know I think maybe
might be in to say way things here
um this is something that um residents
are constantly talking about it's
something that we're constantly talking
about so would it would it be wise to
try to
um uh is there any projected number that
you could think that be I I just I just
say that cuz if are we're going to be
able to be responsive totally get it I'm
saying to you is that traffic caling
methods there's so many different ones
if we're talking about certain types of
signage money in here buy some signs you
know if we're talking about U uh you
know major rehab that's um you know like
the mayor spoke of uh you redesigning
streets you know that have been
roundabouts thrown out there some of
those are big dollars you know so it's
hard to to judge uh where you want to go
with that but um just variables really
come up okay sense
so I don't have a great answer for you
got
real maybe we'll be able to find some as
we move forward so I do have a little
bit further questions about that because
we tried the traffic comes on one street
and then we're supposed to hear back
like how did it work etc haven't heard
that I understand that one's been
removed the other state has stayed in
place M on the same street and my
understanding was it was it was a
demonstration project so we could GA
gather the data correct and that they
would then be moved to another Street
both of those but that hasn't happened
and at this point in time we haven't
even heard how well it worked where it
was so there was a little back and forth
I don't believe that they've completed
the evaluation of it yet remember these
are things that were not planned to stay
out during the winter because they were
Rubber and although they might stay the
chances are they would be damaged by um
flows so um I will get back to you um
with that information I I know that
Chris and the police were working on it
um I haven't heard anything um the last
couple of days but I will check and find
out definitely should have that
information all right I was just
wondering if if if the if the data that
you were gathering was based on two I'm
sorry if the if you were doing the
demonstration based on two and why was
one removed and not the other because
then it just kind of throws it all off i
s myself I I don't know why why they
only removed one maybe it was planning
and they didn't have enough guys to do
it I I don't know I'll check on that all
right is that I don't think there I
thought they mve one to near the school
as far yeah the one at the school was
gone one at school's gone yeah oh okay
but you're saying the other one is still
there I I'll find out cuz Mr Wallin said
weeks ago that oh we're taking them out
and sure enough one was gone I was like
oh they're both gone but I kept driving
and are not both gone so and so are you
also saying that we the second part of
the demonstration project that we talked
about we was going to move near Rugby
Road for 10 weeks because it overstayed
at the first place so that's not going
to happen before the winter I I would
have to talk to Chris I I wasn't
programming it to be honest with you but
I will find out and we'll get that
information back to you all right thank
you any
question okay let's move on to
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it's my last
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one last
one
85182 um there's a few increases in the
2024 uh uh Street lighting budget we're
asking for $70,000 increase in um uh 402
Administration expense and that's to
cover our yearly maintenance of genitech
and our ubiquity Smart City devices um
previously they were covered by um
National Grid during the beginning of
the Rev demonstration project but that's
um that's uh uh being phased out so uh
we would be taking that uh payment over
um just so you know since the Inception
uh of that uh project we've uh uh
downloaded over 4,000 videos that were
used in police and fire investigations
and um most recently started using the
analytic uh uh um components of them to
provide the US with the traffic volumes
and speeds on um uh King's Road so um my
feeling is that there's Great Value to
that and um it's an important feature
that uh uh we should continue
with um questions
comments we also looking for can I
finish my other too okay so we're also
looking for an increase in the uh uh 425
light power in gas is based on the
history of the account and um you know
corresponding increases in electric and
um um gas rates and lastly the 5182 uh
425a is being eliminated in the 24
proposed budget um that's the Rev
demonstration money um as we're
currently in negotiations with National
Grid uh uh on this
item thank you any
questions seeing none we'll move to
Capital so one Capital request and um
we'll ask our chief technology officer
Mr to um provide some details on why he
wants what he
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wants yes our current infrastructure sir
um server and which we have is we did
the ma of R in 2015 and it's almost like
up life of those stor
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and 2024 February so we have to act on
it and we have to upate the
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server this existing server won't even
take the new software so we are like
bound to to up these servos and Stor as
well I'm talking about servos here and
also on our other
site we
have how many servers are you talking in
total uh three servers we do the same
three two over here one over
there any questions go ahead please no
no I'm scratching
sorry so questions you have replace
computer servers and body cameras I was
under the impression that axon that
contractual agreement was going to be
supplying us body1
cameras oh right got
disregard yeah I like wait he he could
probably help you with that question no
no right about that 200,000 any other
questions thanks
all right I think we're done it yeah
easy some reason Anthony I have do five
jobs
too P page 16 let's go through these two
items so that I we can get it out 16
page
16 I'm sorry what is judgement and claim
judgement Anda
right for some reason show was part of
the schedule yes I saw that yeah the
Judgment claims is the same amount as we
had at
20123 um uh the Judgment claims that
that is
the the account that we pay our claims
out of uh especially uh in the most
recently those big payment claims and uh
we're settling a lot of those contracts
we feel that this is going to go down as
you recall we're settling most of the
contracts of this last one that we're
we're settling in the next thing is over
10 years old you know it's one it's one
of the uh ones last ones that were
hanging out there uh the the sary uh
claims over there 15,000 for you know
claims for our tax whatever uh according
to Molly I spoke to her we do not have
anything big out there plan but it's
always good to have you know to keep
that amount in case uh anything happens
or we have to use it to you know
transfer it into judgment and
claims okay to care
that any other
business we have a motion we are not
we're not
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at motion to recess Mo recess second all
in favor I thank you everyone have a
good evening good
we
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yeah probably came from some of this
stuff thank
you thank you oh jeez got up too
fast so I don't need to forward your
question you already forwarded I did I
copied them so they had it so
okay I don't think I'll have any more
just trying to just take care of for
today pretty sure I went through most of
everything else
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so
was nice I was going to have a quick
chat with
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