1 00:00:00,260 --> 00:00:29,039 [Music] 2 00:00:29,039 --> 00:00:32,370 yeah 3 00:00:32,380 --> 00:01:58,830 [Music] 4 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,090 he 5 00:02:02,100 --> 00:05:28,479 [Music] 6 00:05:28,479 --> 00:05:30,310 he 7 00:05:30,310 --> 00:05:58,469 [Music] 8 00:05:58,479 --> 00:05:59,890 yeah 9 00:05:59,890 --> 00:06:58,680 [Music] 10 00:06:58,680 --> 00:06:59,430 yeah 11 00:06:59,430 --> 00:08:28,230 [Music] 12 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,730 he 13 00:08:31,740 --> 00:10:28,040 [Music] 14 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:29,780 yeah 15 00:10:29,780 --> 00:11:57,959 [Music] 16 00:11:57,959 --> 00:11:59,940 he 17 00:11:59,940 --> 00:14:39,389 [Music] 18 00:14:39,399 --> 00:14:40,519 I'd like to call to order this 19 00:14:40,519 --> 00:14:41,839 connecting city council committee 20 00:14:41,839 --> 00:14:45,720 meeting for Monday October 16th 2023 and 21 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,040 turn it over to Mr M for the finance 22 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,199 committee thank you I would like to call 23 00:14:50,199 --> 00:14:52,000 the finance committee to order and the 24 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,600 first item is a 2023 emergency vehicle 25 00:14:55,600 --> 00:15:02,870 uplift m point 26 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,959 please you I am Sergeant Matt Point here 27 00:15:06,959 --> 00:15:09,240 on behalf of SKC PD and we're just 28 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,160 looking for your permission to enter a 29 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,920 contact with Auto Solutions to upit our 30 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:15,279 vehicles they came in as the lowest 31 00:15:15,279 --> 00:15:16,759 bidder of two 32 00:15:16,759 --> 00:15:21,199 biders any questions I'm second all in 33 00:15:21,199 --> 00:15:25,710 favor I thank 34 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,160 you is that simple 35 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,120 the next item is increasing the maximum 36 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,519 income from New York real real property 37 00:15:33,519 --> 00:15:35,440 tax 38 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,920 exemption um Mr Williams yes thank you 39 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,319 uh so excited to have this conversation 40 00:15:41,319 --> 00:15:44,120 back uh we have with us miss makoy who's 41 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,360 bringing her findings as she was able to 42 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,160 gather over the last month um definitely 43 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,120 looking forward to uh reviewing that 44 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:52,639 with the rest of you and discussing just 45 00:15:52,639 --> 00:15:54,480 how we can make sure we're providing the 46 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,279 appropriate funds uh to our seniors in 47 00:15:57,279 --> 00:15:59,639 the in the community to make sure that 48 00:15:59,639 --> 00:16:01,839 with the recent increases we aren't 49 00:16:01,839 --> 00:16:04,279 inadvertently um excluding individuals 50 00:16:04,279 --> 00:16:06,079 that we do know should U meet these 51 00:16:06,079 --> 00:16:07,880 categories 52 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:09,680 so and I believe you have some 53 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:10,880 information to 54 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,120 pass I ran through a couple of different 55 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,600 scenarios and tried to 56 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,319 sorry um just yeah there's four 57 00:16:20,319 --> 00:16:27,509 different four different pieces of 58 00:16:27,519 --> 00:16:44,060 paper 59 00:16:44,070 --> 00:16:45,360 [Applause] 60 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:49,269 trying to 61 00:16:49,279 --> 00:16:57,470 help 62 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,790 something 63 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,710 okay let's 64 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:27,390 [Applause] 65 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:31,350 go 66 00:17:31,360 --> 00:17:54,350 you have 67 00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:57,390 enough 68 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:58,919 yeah 69 00:17:58,919 --> 00:18:01,280 um okay so the things I just handed out 70 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,960 I worked up some information today um 71 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,840 the first thing I want to show you is um 72 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,440 it is a table and it has at the top 73 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:16,840 participant and income and then um yeah 74 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,360 so that that's the first thing I'd like 75 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:20,480 to take a look at and I actually think I 76 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,120 may have been a 77 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:25,360 away okay so this we took a look at all 78 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:27,679 of the people who did not get um the 79 00:18:27,679 --> 00:18:30,200 exemption renewed this year because of 80 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,679 income level um so this is a table with 81 00:18:32,679 --> 00:18:34,559 all that there were 84 people who 82 00:18:34,559 --> 00:18:36,760 applied who did not get uh the renewal 83 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,760 this year so I and in in here I kind of 84 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,919 set at what the current you know the 85 00:18:42,919 --> 00:18:45,039 what we have the current level but then 86 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:47,039 what if we looked at different scenarios 87 00:18:47,039 --> 00:18:49,760 so say we raised it by $3,000 how many 88 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,280 of these people would get would have 89 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,120 gotten the exemption this year same 90 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:55,600 thing went up to 45,000 which is the two 91 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,159 scenarios that I'm going to pose to you 92 00:18:58,159 --> 00:19:01,360 um um as we talk through this uh so this 93 00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:04,000 is just there's a lot of um things that 94 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,520 are not predictable um income every year 95 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,960 for folks is is it's tough for us to say 96 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,760 how many people might actually apply for 97 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,400 the exemption and or qualify for it 98 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,080 because uh you could have a oneoff year 99 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:18,440 where you take money out of your 100 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,080 retirement or for some you sell a house 101 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,240 so that ends up going on the income tax 102 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,440 return and we count that as income um so 103 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,320 a lot of people like you'll see that the 104 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,559 there's a wide range of income in here 105 00:19:30,559 --> 00:19:34,159 um from 35,000 up to 245,000 106 00:19:34,159 --> 00:19:36,480 um while I don't have the specific 107 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,200 scenarios in it is likely one of those 108 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:40,520 kind of things where somebody takes 109 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,480 money out of something or they receive 110 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:43,840 you know some kind of 111 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,840 inheritance um so being able to predict 112 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:48,880 going forward how many people that might 113 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:50,360 affect or how many people might not 114 00:19:50,360 --> 00:19:54,280 qualify is is difficult so what I did um 115 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,159 you can take a look at I I put in here 116 00:19:56,159 --> 00:19:58,360 also the current the current scale that 117 00:19:58,360 --> 00:20:00,360 we have and that's the one that it says 118 00:20:00,360 --> 00:20:03,520 at the top um less than 119 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,320 29,000 sorry I didn't say that's that's 120 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:07,679 just what our current scale is what 121 00:20:07,679 --> 00:20:09,760 we've been using since 122 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,960 2009 um the first scenario that that I 123 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,039 wanted to bring to your attention is the 124 00:20:16,039 --> 00:20:17,960 one that says less than 125 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,320 32,000 and that's the first um that's 126 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,960 looking at you know was there a midpoint 127 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,200 in the that scale of incomes um just 128 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,720 taking a a shot at something um I put 129 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:35,720 that together and then took a look at um 130 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,240 you'll see in there that I have 131 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,440 information about how many people would 132 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,640 have qualified in each um category of 133 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:44,640 the 134 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,080 exemption and you know again not 135 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,559 matching these people up to what their 136 00:20:48,559 --> 00:20:51,240 actual um assessed value is but I took 137 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,159 $100,000 if their homes were assessed at 138 00:20:54,159 --> 00:20:56,559 $100,000 and you took a look at how many 139 00:20:56,559 --> 00:21:00,200 people would get each percentage off um 140 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:01,760 looking at the scenario one if we were 141 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,760 only to raise it up uh 142 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,679 $3,000 then you you'd look at you know 143 00:21:07,679 --> 00:21:09,679 if it was $100,000 that everyone's house 144 00:21:09,679 --> 00:21:12,240 was you're looking at a total amount of 145 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,039 taxes roughly just shy of $5,000 that we 146 00:21:16,039 --> 00:21:17,760 you know that would have not come into 147 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,400 the city because of having the increase 148 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,080 I used last year's tax rate because we 149 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:23,559 don't know what the tax rate is this 150 00:21:23,559 --> 00:21:28,360 year um and but looked at the people 151 00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:29,880 that we denied this year for the 152 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,720 exemption um did the same thing then 153 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:37,919 with say we went up to 45,000 as the um 154 00:21:37,919 --> 00:21:40,039 it would be actually 37,000 would be the 155 00:21:40,039 --> 00:21:43,679 lowest amount um 45 would be the maximum 156 00:21:43,679 --> 00:21:45,279 uh limit and that was quite a 157 00:21:45,279 --> 00:21:48,640 significant difference um in looking at 158 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,200 it would have been $199,200 159 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,440 um in taxes and that's and this is just 160 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,320 putting out there you know $100,000 as 161 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,960 aess value versus you know it could 162 00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:02,960 range anywhere from 100,000 to 200,000 163 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,279 and higher um so it's there is there is 164 00:22:06,279 --> 00:22:10,480 a financial impact the higher we go um 165 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,279 the other idea is that if you stay on 166 00:22:13,279 --> 00:22:15,360 the lower end of a scale there's room 167 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:17,720 for movement if social security goes up 168 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,400 in the future um again like it did in 169 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,520 2021 it's really again it's really hard 170 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,240 to predict how many people would um but 171 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,000 we did see actually we saw a pretty sign 172 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,520 ific reduction in the number of people 173 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,799 that actually applied for the exemption 174 00:22:31,799 --> 00:22:34,520 um new applicants this year I'm sorry a 175 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,000 reduction um reduction in the number of 176 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:43,039 people who applied um this year versus I can't I you know I mean some some 177 00:22:43,039 --> 00:22:44,679 thoughts were that we came off of a 178 00:22:44,679 --> 00:22:46,440 2-year period where we had extended 179 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,520 everyone's exemptions because of coid um 180 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,640 so maybe there were people that forgot 181 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,120 or you know 182 00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:57,120 decided for whatever reason didn't apply 183 00:22:57,120 --> 00:22:58,760 um but 184 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,400 um so I can't you know again those those 185 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,640 things that are kind of not predictable 186 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,430 for the 187 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,279 future um but you know as you as you 188 00:23:09,279 --> 00:23:12,200 raise the limit up you get more and more 189 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,640 people who are in those that that 190 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:15,799 bracket of 191 00:23:15,799 --> 00:23:19,039 50% um and so that's you know even even 192 00:23:19,039 --> 00:23:21,240 those some those like 40 193 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,080 45 um there's a lot in there too it's 194 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,240 the best way I could predict any kind of 195 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,640 financial impact uh the city is doing it 196 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,400 like that um using the the last year's 197 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:39,310 tax 198 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,960 rate please so I just I just want to be 199 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,320 clear so on the chart that starts with 200 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:45,720 the 201 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,840 3556 202 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,880 M this is you said the number of people 203 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,679 so there's 84 people that these are 204 00:23:54,679 --> 00:23:57,919 84 individual people who applied okay 205 00:23:57,919 --> 00:24:00,320 and were denied the exemption because of 206 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,840 the income level okay and then just but 207 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,080 on this other sheet and we're denied let 208 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,320 me just write that down yes and the 209 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,720 other one no the other one this one 210 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,279 that's 48 211 00:24:13,279 --> 00:24:16,679 households I added it up quickly but um 212 00:24:16,679 --> 00:24:19,120 okay and it it does correspond to so 213 00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:21,279 this first section this first one that I 214 00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:23,279 gave you it corresponds with the 215 00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:25,440 highlighting that you see so the first 216 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,679 one the highlighting is um those are the 217 00:24:28,679 --> 00:24:30,520 number of people who would have so there 218 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:31,480 would have been 219 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,679 29 that would qualify for under the 220 00:24:34,679 --> 00:24:37,200 first scenario if we raised it only by 221 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,080 3,000 okay um and then the same thing 222 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,799 there were there would be 50 people um 223 00:24:43,799 --> 00:24:44,880 if it 224 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,520 was hopefully my numbers were not too 225 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,480 far off um there would be 50 people that 226 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,559 would would qualify if it was raised up 227 00:24:52,559 --> 00:25:00,510 to 45 as opposed to gotcha gotcha okay 228 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,240 yep and then 229 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:08,799 50 Mr M so then 57 people if was raised 230 00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:10,440 up to if it was raised up to like the 231 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,600 top and I didn't I didn't run that 232 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,480 because I just I I don't think that 233 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,000 that's a wise option um to go that that 234 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,960 High um plus I think in our last 235 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,360 discussion it does it was really geared 236 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:25,039 towards some of those downstate places 237 00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:27,279 where um incomes are higher just the 238 00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:30,279 total over all income is higher for so 239 00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:33,480 thanks John go ahead please do you have 240 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,000 any idea of obviously you won't be able 241 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,559 to calculate but the number of people 242 00:25:38,559 --> 00:25:40,559 who will be entering 243 00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:43,279 into um the 244 00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:45,799 exemptions in the next year or so how 245 00:25:45,799 --> 00:25:48,399 many additional people I it's it's 246 00:25:48,399 --> 00:25:50,039 really like I said it's hard to predict 247 00:25:50,039 --> 00:25:52,240 because we've got we've got but you 248 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,039 could get a total amount and I 249 00:25:54,039 --> 00:25:56,320 understand you can't figure out how many 250 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,559 would actually go for it I understand 251 00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:02,120 but do we know how many total would be 252 00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:05,360 coming into the availability of applying 253 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:08,080 for the exemption I I mean it would be a 254 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,080 matter of knowing who's going to turn 65 255 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,279 in the next year because that's the threshold for this to number 256 00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:16,360 one to be able to apply at all is to be 257 00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:19,120 65 and then number two they have to 258 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:21,520 provide us with their 2022 income tax 259 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,679 return um for us to take a look at what 260 00:26:24,679 --> 00:26:27,760 the income level is so you know I think 261 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,159 me let me take a look at this 262 00:26:30,159 --> 00:26:33,960 um we had 229 people not renew the 263 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,480 exemption um or property was transferred 264 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,880 so they didn't have the opportunity um 265 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,120 and we only 266 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:44,760 had 68 new people apply this past 267 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,520 year um and that's you know we do send 268 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,320 out renewal notices to everyone who 269 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,720 currently has the exemption um so we can 270 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,240 you know predict that but any any new 271 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,200 folks um coming in we can't really 272 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,760 predict that 273 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,200 well how many people get the exemption 274 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,720 now one way or the other there's there's 275 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,600 probably a thousand households right now 276 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,799 um that get the the senior lwi income 277 00:27:09,799 --> 00:27:14,080 exemption now we're also talking this is also for disability senior or 278 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,880 excuse me disabled and low income um 279 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,760 that's that's a little bit more 280 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,279 consistent 281 00:27:20,279 --> 00:27:23,440 um that one is and so that would affect 282 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,520 the two 283 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,159 um 284 00:27:29,159 --> 00:27:31,000 so would it be fair to say a good 285 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,840 estimate would it be anywhere from 65 to 286 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,880 let's say 130 140 people new people 287 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,120 flying sure you know I mean that's yeah 288 00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:42,120 I think you could go with that 289 00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:44,960 range um just given the number that we 290 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,039 had this year um now we do have people 291 00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:50,039 that have you know any for anybody who 292 00:27:50,039 --> 00:27:52,360 had the exemption before may not have 293 00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:54,399 received it this year they would likely 294 00:27:54,399 --> 00:27:56,000 come back to us and apply and I know 295 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,080 there are several instances of that um 296 00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,600 because we had conversations with folks 297 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:05,950 last year 298 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,279 so so definitely thank you for gathering 299 00:28:08,279 --> 00:28:10,120 this information I think it's safe to 300 00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:12,000 say that we we all are in agreement that 301 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,279 raising it to the maximum $50,000 is an 302 00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:17,080 OP or recommended option that you're 303 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,279 clearly stating uh definitely taken into 304 00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:21,559 consideration that the city hasn't risen 305 00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:23,600 these exemptions in quite a quite a bit 306 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,720 of time 307 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,039 um so I guess and get a a pulse of where 308 00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:30,760 the entire council is where individuals 309 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,080 like to elect to what they're leaning 310 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,240 towards or have time to um all over all 311 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,080 the data that is a lot of 312 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,320 numbers yeah and I I mean I can run 313 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:41,840 other scenario I just those were two 314 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,000 that I happened to um one that I had 315 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,840 done and then um in speaking with Mr 316 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,840 Williams um I ran another one today just 317 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,279 to take a look at it 318 00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:55,240 so but I'm happy to you know we need to 319 00:28:55,240 --> 00:29:00,350 come back do it or whatever 320 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,240 go ahead so so I guess my thought is 321 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,159 around like you know you know if you 322 00:29:05,159 --> 00:29:08,080 know we raise it then you know how do 323 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,600 we have you know what's the mechanism to 324 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,840 capture people who haden't been able to 325 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,679 um doe to you know do to the changeing 326 00:29:16,679 --> 00:29:17,679 how do we you know what are the 327 00:29:17,679 --> 00:29:19,600 mechanisms to um make sure that they're 328 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,159 aware because I think I mean we 329 00:29:21,159 --> 00:29:23,120 certainly we've we've done legal notices 330 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,399 before we can put something in the 331 00:29:24,399 --> 00:29:26,679 newspaper to advertise it I mean I think 332 00:29:26,679 --> 00:29:28,919 it we've we've gotten a fair number of 333 00:29:28,919 --> 00:29:31,200 calls um to our office like because of 334 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,080 hearing it on the news and and um people 335 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,840 asking wanting to know what the limit is 336 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,080 and you know what and so you know I have 337 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,240 said to people kind of on hold until 338 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,600 decisions are made but um so I think the 339 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,640 word is out there but there's certainly 340 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,840 um I think it would be tough you we do a 341 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,200 mass mailing and probably not worth the 342 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,919 cost of doing it um but but at least 343 00:29:53,919 --> 00:29:55,279 spreading the word and letting people 344 00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:58,240 know and um in various 345 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:04,600 um Outlets Facebook social media but you said that you guys kind mail out now 346 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,720 for time for people to quote unquote 347 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,720 recertify I don't know if that's it's just for the folks who currently 348 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,919 have it it's it's to so they and that 349 00:30:11,919 --> 00:30:14,200 would we could do that to that list 350 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,120 right yeah absolutely oh yeah for thank 351 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,399 you go ahead please could you just re 352 00:30:20,399 --> 00:30:23,399 clarify again um your thought on why we 353 00:30:23,399 --> 00:30:25,559 saw the reduction in the number of 354 00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:28,159 people that applied um in 2023 I know 355 00:30:28,159 --> 00:30:30,080 you mentioned it but I just wanted sure 356 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,399 um I hear it again I think I mean I 357 00:30:32,399 --> 00:30:36,880 think Co so for the past 2 years because 358 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,760 of um state law and and um changes with 359 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,480 Co stuff we were able to just extend the 360 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,159 exemption folks okay so you know and 361 00:30:47,159 --> 00:30:50,360 that that probably also you know I don't 362 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,039 want to say it hurt us a little bit but 363 00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:53,720 when we got to the point of looking at 364 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,360 people's income this year there was 365 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,799 quite a difference between what they had 366 00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:00,799 last submitted to us and then what they 367 00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:02,320 submitted this year which is why there 368 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:03,840 were a lot of people that didn't get the 369 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,320 exemption or that you know um and I 370 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,200 think some of that is also probably 371 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,600 because people just weren't thinking 372 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,440 about it because for two years in a row 373 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,159 we didn't require them 374 00:31:14,159 --> 00:31:16,639 to um we just kept them at the same 375 00:31:16,639 --> 00:31:19,669 level that they had been 376 00:31:19,679 --> 00:31:20,890 at thank 377 00:31:20,890 --> 00:31:24,830 [Music] 378 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,880 you any questions 379 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,919 so what is the time frame if you when we 380 00:31:29,919 --> 00:31:31,360 want to do this that we need to make a 381 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,960 final decision sure um we've got until 382 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:38,240 March 1st so we've got a while we won't we will accept applications up 383 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,840 until March 1st and we generally don't 384 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,440 review anything until after that point 385 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,240 so there's there's definitely a lot of 386 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,880 time doesn't doesn't have to be a 387 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,720 decision that um is made right away so 388 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,559 it's just a go ahead Mr this is 389 00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:54,360 currently codified in the city code 390 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,639 section 391 00:31:55,639 --> 00:31:59,360 2341 um so if the council's inclined to 392 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,919 change this have to be a call for public 393 00:32:01,919 --> 00:32:11,350 hearing um to amend the code okay thank 394 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,120 you yeah M March 1st that's that's 395 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,519 really the that um I would want to say 396 00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:20,080 that's probably a good deadline 397 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,840 okay okay yeah in 398 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,720 earli yeah I was going to speak to that 399 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,000 point I definitely want to respect 400 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,000 people's ability to to dissect this 401 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,960 information slightly further I would 402 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,360 feel comfortable maybe bringing it back 403 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,080 in another two weeks I I think taking 404 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,000 advantage of the time we have now to to 405 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,880 Mr Golden's Point um processing through 406 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,000 the adjustment to the city code and then 407 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,639 having it all solidified by on March 1st 408 00:32:44,639 --> 00:32:45,880 um getting it off the our thought 409 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,110 process so you can focus on some other 410 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,880 things so if if we're planning on moving 411 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,760 this forward why don't we call for the 412 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,320 public hearing and utilize the time 413 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,960 frame the public hearing will be in 4 414 00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:01,519 weeks 415 00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:04,279 time but now will give us enough um time 416 00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:06,000 to review what we have in front of us 417 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,639 here then come 418 00:33:07,639 --> 00:33:10,360 back to process it out three weeks on 419 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,360 the public hearing three weeks 3 420 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,000 weeks so that will be enough time so I'd 421 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,240 say as long as everyone's in agreement 422 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,840 that we're going to be adjusting this in 423 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,440 some shape or form so I think that would 424 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,360 be fair allowing us the time to leverage 425 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,080 both timelines and then going back in 426 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,440 two weeks and adjusting what and 427 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,120 not go ahead please think before we move 428 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,480 forward on a public hearing we need to 429 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,159 have the additional scenarios in place 430 00:33:37,159 --> 00:33:38,519 especially with the 431 00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:41,120 additional uh people who would be 432 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,799 participating in the program so we know 433 00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:47,320 a roughly good appr proximization of the 434 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,639 costs and we also need a plan on how 435 00:33:49,639 --> 00:33:51,799 we're going to pay for it before we talk 436 00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:53,600 about a public heory because people 437 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,840 should know how that's going to be done 438 00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,840 can you get those numers in two weeks or 439 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:00,720 CL 440 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,600 us um I the par the applicants 441 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,559 participant I mean I can't predict who's 442 00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:08,000 going to that's the I can tell you how 443 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,839 many people we have already who have 444 00:34:09,839 --> 00:34:11,599 applied I can tell you how many people 445 00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:16,119 we have who are going to be renewing but 446 00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:17,639 you know I don't know how many of those 447 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:18,720 folks are going to be selling their 448 00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:21,399 house or moving moving out of the area 449 00:34:21,399 --> 00:34:23,560 or you know I mean it's so it's just 450 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,240 it's one of those things that you know I 451 00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:27,679 don't I don't even know how I would tell 452 00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,520 who's turning 65 in the next year well 453 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,399 we have that information and we could 454 00:34:32,399 --> 00:34:37,440 get a range from 65 to say 130 140 just 455 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,359 to give us a range of what the cost 456 00:34:39,359 --> 00:34:41,359 would be I mean it might take a little 457 00:34:41,359 --> 00:34:45,280 time to get the the individuals who uh 458 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,639 would be turning 65 but I think it's 459 00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:50,440 worth having the numbers before we move 460 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,200 forward so people can understand who's 461 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,399 eligible what they might get and how 462 00:34:55,399 --> 00:34:59,670 it's going to be paid for 463 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:00,839 I'm going to ask is that something you 464 00:35:00,839 --> 00:35:02,800 can get from your office that M PA is 465 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,119 asking 466 00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:07,400 for um I I can't get the who's over or 467 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,240 who's turning 65 um but like the other 468 00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:11,800 number there's there's some you know I 469 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,359 can tell you how many people are 470 00:35:13,359 --> 00:35:16,960 expected to renew um and I can you know 471 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,359 I can see if I can go back over the 472 00:35:19,359 --> 00:35:21,599 course of I don't I don't know know if 473 00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:24,320 we had that information before Co to see 474 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,520 how many people we had um applying 475 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,119 during that time see what the 476 00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:29,880 fluctuation and numbers were over the 477 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,520 course of um a couple of years go ahead 478 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,520 please we can get the ages from the 479 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,160 county on the real property tax data 480 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,560 looking at who's going to be turning 65 481 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,270 from the property 482 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,720 owners sorry that's that's one piece to 483 00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:48,040 it that that would be your yeah no it 484 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,240 would be that would be the worst case 485 00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:52,520 scenario all the people who turned 65 486 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,680 apply best case scenario is you know a 487 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,200 quarter of those people actually are 488 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,440 income qual qualified but it's good to 489 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,000 know the the numbers yeah espe the year 490 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,520 after go ahead and I I don't think that 491 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,800 we need to rush if we have until March 492 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,800 1st as well I think the ability to be 493 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,680 able to absorb gather data Etc um I I 494 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,240 just don't think that we have to move 495 00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:18,599 quickly with the public hearing yeah but 496 00:36:18,599 --> 00:36:20,480 I'm not sure how much more information 497 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,520 um M Michael R can give us at this point 498 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:28,319 in time I mean I can you know looking at 499 00:36:28,319 --> 00:36:31,200 um if we had some sort of I mean I can 500 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,400 you know take anywhere between the the 501 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,040 you know 50 and say we had 100 more 502 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,720 people apply this 503 00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:41,200 year um you know just looking at what 504 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,599 the that Financial impact would would be 505 00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:46,640 again if it was $100,000 assessed value 506 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,839 of a home um you know what is the what's 507 00:36:49,839 --> 00:36:53,040 the bigger picture look like um it would 508 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,880 be you know similar to what I had run 509 00:36:54,880 --> 00:37:00,030 for these two scenarios 510 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,079 Mr M if we could just have people 511 00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:03,680 articulate exactly what they would like 512 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,960 to see and then give I would say give 513 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,839 her a month though two weeks is a little 514 00:37:07,839 --> 00:37:10,000 short for all the information and if we 515 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,119 could just give her a month to be able 516 00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:13,119 to do that since we do have to March 1st 517 00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:14,839 which I don't anticipate we will need 518 00:37:14,839 --> 00:37:17,400 until that time um and then we could 519 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:18,760 move forward and you know do the public 520 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,200 hearing and all of that sounds 521 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,359 good I don't want to rush her through 522 00:37:23,359 --> 00:37:27,079 this process Mr will okay that oh 523 00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:30,880 consider okay you good okay so can we um 524 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,160 can you follow up with a list of the 525 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,040 things that is needed okay additional 526 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,079 information is needed so that 527 00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:40,200 we and I'll see if I can get it I I mean 528 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,480 I'll talk to some other assessors to see 529 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,520 because I know that there're not there's 530 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,000 not a lot of people looking into this 531 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,359 but there are a couple now because they 532 00:37:48,359 --> 00:37:50,960 heard that that SK AC is looking into it 533 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,800 so um I'll see if there's you know not 534 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,000 maybe I'm not able to wrap my head 535 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,560 around another way to predict some of 536 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,680 that I was going to say for I'm able to 537 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,079 gather any of that information we'll 538 00:38:03,079 --> 00:38:05,400 update the 539 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,720 councel so do we need everyone who if I 540 00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:09,839 don't know if she was able to capture 541 00:38:09,839 --> 00:38:11,240 all the conversation that we just having 542 00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:12,720 and what they want so if we could ask 543 00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:14,200 everyone whatever it is they're looking 544 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,760 for to email that those questions either 545 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,920 you or Miss myu so we would know um 546 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,200 which what miss m I would need to U be 547 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:27,119 looking at okay okay yes that' be great 548 00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:32,390 thank you for thank you appre thank 549 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,920 you okay the next item is allocation of 550 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:40,440 750,000 in Offa funding 1930 nor B 551 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,319 Street palum Station Miss for yes as you 552 00:38:44,319 --> 00:38:49,040 know the initially we um allocated ARA 553 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:53,119 funds to stack a Association to uh for 554 00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:55,920 the pump station however because it's 555 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,319 not it's a city building we could not do 556 00:38:58,319 --> 00:39:00,079 that and so therefore we we sended those 557 00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:03,319 funds um back to the city to the ARA 558 00:39:03,319 --> 00:39:06,720 funds uh I would like for us to to 559 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,400 reallocate them to the project knowing 560 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:10,880 that the city is going to take care of 561 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,480 it so that's that's all this is probably 562 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:14,520 something we should have talked about 563 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,640 when we res sended but we already uh I 564 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:17,720 know that some work has already been 565 00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:19,680 done in addition to that so I just want 566 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,000 to reallocate those funds back to the 567 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,599 project to make sure that the project 568 00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:25,319 gets done even though it has to be done 569 00:39:25,319 --> 00:39:28,990 by the city 570 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,280 any any 571 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,040 questions just as council president 572 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,119 points out some money has been used for 573 00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:37,839 exterior work so the number wouldn't be 574 00:39:37,839 --> 00:39:41,319 750,000 and I don't have the exact 575 00:39:41,319 --> 00:39:44,440 number of what has been allocated for 576 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,200 that it's not a huge amount of money but 577 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,640 something everybody agreed to and 578 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,880 something that uh the work was a 579 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,800 necessity that had to be done mhm go 580 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,200 ahead please May or wouldn't we just 581 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,480 take that out of the 582 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,839 750 yes that's so whatever the and it's 583 00:40:02,839 --> 00:40:06,520 how to make the accounting cleaner to 584 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,680 put a number in there of whatever the 585 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,480 remaining funds are to say this is going 586 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:12,800 to be used 587 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:17,400 for so it's the 750 minus what we spent 588 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,160 and then that dollar amount will go 589 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,200 forward for the what would be hopefully 590 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,359 primarily 591 00:40:23,359 --> 00:40:25,359 interior okay so you just don't want it 592 00:40:25,359 --> 00:40:28,119 one package the interior out exterior 593 00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:29,920 750 you want to you would like to break 594 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,990 it 595 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,319 out easier for the accountant 596 00:40:38,319 --> 00:40:40,920 to in my mind if it was 750 for the 597 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,000 project whether we did exterior or 598 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,160 interior than it's just 750 and when 599 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,640 it's when we spent it we've spent it 600 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,440 even though we've already spent it I I 601 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,400 knew that too I know that too well I 602 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:53,960 should say we've encumbered it I don't 603 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,480 know if we've actually expended so so so 604 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:57,480 I just want to make sure that the 605 00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,920 project has what we originally intended 606 00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,640 to allocate towards 607 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,040 it any other questions so then wouldn't 608 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,119 it be 750 minus whatever has been 609 00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:12,400 spent well we have to do it for 610 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,839 allocation but if the money's already 611 00:41:14,839 --> 00:41:16,440 been spent hasn't been spent it's been 612 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,240 incumbered well we don't know he just 613 00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:20,680 said I apologize I don't 614 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,359 know come I mean it might be zero in 615 00:41:24,359 --> 00:41:26,920 which case it's 750 616 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,440 because um because we didn't um spend it 617 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,359 we they took out the line item and now 618 00:41:32,359 --> 00:41:35,200 we have to recreate the line item so I 619 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,640 understand that we don't know if it's 620 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,359 spent any yet it's been encumbered has 621 00:41:40,359 --> 00:41:43,280 it been spent yet Mr 622 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,839 uh so let's all right if it's been spent 623 00:41:45,839 --> 00:41:47,680 then we can change that number if it 624 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,400 hasn't been spent and it's only been 625 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,200 encumbered then we could just leave it 626 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,079 at 750 and again because we res sended 627 00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:56,280 it we had to remove it as a wine item 628 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:57,880 and now we have to put it back as a line 629 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,319 item yes that's correct 630 00:42:01,319 --> 00:42:04,400 M any other discussion may have a motion 631 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,800 to move this move second I'll second it 632 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,880 all in favor all thank you the next item 633 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,800 is the lease purchase agreement for the 634 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:13,800 fire 635 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,240 department you going take this all right 636 00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:23,910 thank 637 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,960 you okay so we've uh done before with 638 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,800 our fire department trucks uh we're 639 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,559 looking for one replacement AEL and two 640 00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:34,400 pumper trucks and we're looking uh to 641 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,559 get it's actually a sourcewell contract 642 00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:40,160 for Le uh lease purchase um we're 643 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,680 looking to use an escro discount finance 644 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,319 an option would would save the city 645 00:42:44,319 --> 00:42:45,720 around 646 00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:49,280 $290,000 um if we do um move forward 647 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,040 with this the vehicle will be received 648 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,040 by uh fourth quarter of 2025 uh or uh 649 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,359 first quarter of 2026 six uh we 650 00:42:57,359 --> 00:42:59,440 recommend the city council approve this 651 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:04,109 contract with leasing to 652 00:43:04,119 --> 00:43:07,880 Inc any questions move it second all in 653 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,599 favor I thank you any other business of 654 00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:13,640 for finance to Second all in favor I 655 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:14,760 thank 656 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,880 you we're now call to order Public 657 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,240 Safety Committee we have one item on the 658 00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:21,319 agenda 659 00:43:21,319 --> 00:43:23,559 tonight all right so correction uh the 660 00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:25,160 first item on the discussion will be 661 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,000 moved to the following week uh just not 662 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,440 having the uh personel to actually brief 663 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,480 it this C is there specific questions on 664 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,150 that that I could 665 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,280 answer so so I would say uh based on 666 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,839 this discussion uh I had with uh 667 00:43:43,839 --> 00:43:47,480 Mr uh with that the with our engineer 668 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,640 Chris Wallen excuse me and John Kio 669 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,160 there have been steps already taking 670 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,520 place with this project and specific 671 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:58,880 also wanted to have some uh updates regarding what's been been 672 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,640 taking 673 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,640 place it's really been under review 674 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:08,680 since 2013 when B Boulevard was 675 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,040 upgraded and some of the traffic 676 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,720 patterns again have changed uh the 677 00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:16,920 casino came online more activities 678 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,800 downtown so it's something that we're 679 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,520 continually looking at then it becomes 680 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,280 just adding that turn lane or the I 681 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,640 shouldn't say the the internally is 682 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,760 already there it's just adding the 683 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,800 signal for the actual Lane uh but there 684 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,280 are implications where it would Stack Up 685 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,119 traffic depending on the timing and how 686 00:44:38,119 --> 00:44:41,640 you interface it with other 687 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,760 uh traffic control devices primarily the 688 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:49,319 one at Liberty in 689 00:44:49,319 --> 00:44:51,680 Erie and we're going to be in a better 690 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,160 position to manage these going forward 691 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,200 always we've added more fiber 692 00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,040 connections to ones downtown upgrated 693 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:02,720 the ones around City 694 00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:06,119 Hall uh so as this all goes in place 695 00:45:06,119 --> 00:45:09,520 that uh hopefully the uh flow of traffic 696 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,040 is going to be smoother and more 697 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,680 efficient just going 698 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,359 forward right thank you Mr Mayor I for 699 00:45:16,359 --> 00:45:18,040 the people listening giving proper 700 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,160 context uh this agenda item was just 701 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,720 address comments we heard from our 702 00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:24,520 previous city council meeting uh where 703 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,119 an individual was speaking about some of 704 00:45:26,119 --> 00:45:27,680 the frustrations and also safety 705 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,520 concerns with respect to Turning uh near 706 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,720 Iran Union uh definitely I I appreciate 707 00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:35,720 the the work that's been done up to this 708 00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:37,079 point and I think this is honestly just 709 00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:39,319 an opportunity to just educate and just 710 00:45:39,319 --> 00:45:40,800 re identify the work that's been going 711 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,599 on um but to the communities this may 712 00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:45,720 they had no idea or I think having a 713 00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:47,359 followup is appropriate to just let them 714 00:45:47,359 --> 00:45:49,480 know what's been going on at the present 715 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,040 time I would still like to hear from Mr 716 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,720 Wen and Mr 717 00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:58,319 coo just on and some of it I would hope 718 00:45:58,319 --> 00:45:59,880 maybe that they could put together a 719 00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:01,880 little bit more than just this one 720 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,520 intersection because there are other uh 721 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,760 call points of interest sometimes if you 722 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,000 always get a green light you think 723 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,720 everything's fine if you get a red light 724 00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:14,119 uh you're not quite as happy so how do 725 00:46:14,119 --> 00:46:17,280 we uh get that message out that again we 726 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,760 want things to flow smooth and safe and 727 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,559 uh uh also The Pedestrian Crossings are 728 00:46:23,559 --> 00:46:26,680 a key component of redeveloping 729 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,760 uh the whole traffic pattern but that 730 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,599 has the effect of slowing down vehicle 731 00:46:32,599 --> 00:46:34,359 traffic when you're doing greater time 732 00:46:34,359 --> 00:46:36,599 for pedestrian 733 00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:39,119 Crossings and I think you also had a 734 00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:40,680 really good point earlier where it's not 735 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:41,839 as simple as just putting in a 736 00:46:41,839 --> 00:46:44,160 correction because there's a a reaction 737 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,000 or the Rippling effect also so were 738 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,960 there any other questions or 739 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,319 comments right so I'm going to re have 740 00:46:52,319 --> 00:46:55,359 this on the agenda for another two weeks 741 00:46:55,359 --> 00:46:57,160 all right next item on the agenda is the 742 00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,160 nomination of Mr Keith St John to the 743 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:00,720 civilian police review board and that'll 744 00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:02,880 be discussed by Miss Patrick thank you 745 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,240 um so we had all received an email from 746 00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:06,920 the chair of the civilian police review 747 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,720 board city council has the opportunity 748 00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:10,960 to have someone serve on the civilian 749 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,520 police review board and that seat has 750 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,839 been vacant since March of uh 751 00:47:15,839 --> 00:47:20,160 2023 um Mr St John's bio and resin was 752 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,160 shared with you he is an attorney he has 753 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,240 an extensive legal background as well as 754 00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:29,480 um background in governmental Affairs um 755 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,119 he's also been very active in our city 756 00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:34,520 um both in The Stockade neighborhood and 757 00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,720 now um he lives he uh where he resides 758 00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:40,760 now as well in terms of um his his 759 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,000 involvement in that neighborhood 760 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,400 association as well um so he has 761 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,160 expressed interest in the um in the seat 762 00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,720 um and I just think he's a he's an 763 00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:52,520 excellent candidate primarily because of 764 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,720 his legal background so I wanted to 765 00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:57,599 bring him forward for 766 00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:00,200 discussion uh I would say um seeing no 767 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,520 other applicants I think it's important 768 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,960 to make sure the Fe re board can have 769 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,559 quorums that they can discuss the 770 00:48:05,559 --> 00:48:07,160 complaints that they're seeing and I 771 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:08,920 think anytime you find a volunteer 772 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,960 that's willing and able to provide their 773 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,319 time and energy towards these types of 774 00:48:12,319 --> 00:48:15,440 efforts is uh important um so any other 775 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,480 questions or comments um no I'm fine 776 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,079 with this uh this um candidate I just 777 00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:21,760 want to remind people that we had we 778 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,760 said in our legislation that we will 779 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,520 have a uh plus an alternate so we still 780 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,760 have a person that we could um and I 781 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,000 know there were a couple people that 782 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,359 they haven't submitt the resume that 783 00:48:32,359 --> 00:48:34,079 have said they were interested in being 784 00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:35,760 an alternate so I just want to remind 785 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,520 you that we also need an alternate for 786 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,119 this position and um it's equally 787 00:48:40,119 --> 00:48:42,440 important that as Mr Williams has said 788 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:43,760 that um we make sure we have enough 789 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,880 people um there's a person who just had 790 00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,240 to leave the board because of their 791 00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:50,359 employment so want to make sure that 792 00:48:50,359 --> 00:48:52,680 they have the opportunity to um to make 793 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:53,960 sure they had to cancel their last 794 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,000 meeting as a result of that so so want 795 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,240 to make sure that we get enough people 796 00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:00,160 on the board so they can hold a 797 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,599 meeting does anybody have any questions 798 00:49:02,599 --> 00:49:08,079 or Ive this second second oh oh I can 799 00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:11,000 second sorry 800 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,280 no the board is down uh and you want 801 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,720 this to move uh quickly as opposed to 802 00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:21,520 waiting we have a an off Monday too so 803 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:22,920 it's not two weeks some of these things 804 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,440 become three weeks if this is the 805 00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,040 consensus from the council I'll do a 806 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,960 letter to you 807 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,559 tomorrow the process is has come to me 808 00:49:33,559 --> 00:49:35,720 then I send it back to the council and 809 00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:39,880 you confirm it uh that I'd send the 810 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,680 letter to you so that you could act on 811 00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:46,359 it in the affirmative on basis for the 812 00:49:46,359 --> 00:49:49,000 following Monday and actually make the 813 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,240 appointment you know effective that day 814 00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:53,640 or you know whenever the clerk sends it 815 00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,000 over me the next day and we sign it if 816 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,240 you want that or if you want it held 817 00:49:58,240 --> 00:49:59,880 just to go 818 00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:03,680 the two cycles down on the 819 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,119 road my opinion is that we don't hold it 820 00:50:06,119 --> 00:50:08,520 just because as I uh just said that we 821 00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:09,920 they just had to cancel a meeting 822 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,960 because they didn't have a quum so if we 823 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,720 can get as many people on board to make 824 00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:15,440 sure that they have a qu are able to 825 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:20,990 meet I think it's very 826 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,400 important I'll send a letter to you 827 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,160 tomorrow that can be incorporated P for 828 00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,710 next 829 00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:33,750 mon 830 00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,480 perfect no 831 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,960 objections no no 832 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,839 objection okay so are there any other 833 00:50:39,839 --> 00:50:41,319 items that call before the Public Safety 834 00:50:41,319 --> 00:50:48,589 Committee hearing can 835 00:50:48,599 --> 00:50:52,559 I those in favor hi hi any other items 836 00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:54,880 of Public Safety Committee uh can I a 837 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,040 motion for so second in 838 00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,040 favor thank you um I'd like to call the 839 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:02,599 order City development and planning we 840 00:51:02,599 --> 00:51:05,040 have three items on the agenda the first 841 00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,160 one was arpa contract updates but I 842 00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,040 don't see Miss Carver here tonight so 843 00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:11,240 I'm not 844 00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:13,559 sure uh 845 00:51:13,559 --> 00:51:16,079 exactly how that happened so I'll just 846 00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:18,160 have to give her a call tomorrow and we 847 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,799 can have a discussion and make sure that 848 00:51:19,799 --> 00:51:23,119 it's on for the next time um item number 849 00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:26,160 two excuse me could we if we could get 850 00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,200 the um spreadsheet updated when she 851 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,440 comes spre you know as we were doing 852 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,319 before sure rather than just sort of 853 00:51:34,319 --> 00:51:39,720 furiously writing okay thanks I make 854 00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:44,599 sure okay the next item um is amending 855 00:51:44,599 --> 00:51:47,280 section 24818 of the city code to 856 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,000 designate J Street from Liberty Street 857 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:50,920 to Union Street a two-way street there 858 00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,200 was a public hearing on October 859 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,920 10th we had no speakers 860 00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,319 so at this point in time I would need a 861 00:51:58,319 --> 00:52:00,960 motion to move that forward so move 862 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,000 second all in favor thank you and item 863 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,640 number three reminder presentation of 864 00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,160 the hearts Family Cleaners CR and 865 00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:14,400 1023 Mr T yes uh s family will be 866 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,200 present next Monday presid resolution 867 00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,319 okay thank you no actions taken we just 868 00:52:20,319 --> 00:52:23,440 want to remind you thank you there's no 869 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:24,799 other business to come before City 870 00:52:24,799 --> 00:52:26,280 development planning I'll ask for motion 871 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,319 to adjourn so Mo second all in favor 872 00:52:29,319 --> 00:52:32,240 we're adjourn thank you next item on the 873 00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:34,160 agenda is the claims committee so I'd 874 00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,640 like to open claims um we have one item 875 00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,799 on the agenda Miguel Pama versus the 876 00:52:38,799 --> 00:52:41,799 city of SKC and we need to um go into 877 00:52:41,799 --> 00:52:44,400 executive session for that so i' like a 878 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,319 motion for executive session so and a 879 00:52:47,319 --> 00:52:50,240 second okay all in favor I okay we're in 880 00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:53,920 second session the public 881 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,920 have