Aon and and all the other um
technological advances one of the things
that was said time and time again was
that this would give officers more time
on the street and reduce Aon and and all
the other um doing come back into the
station do a lot of things so therefore
not kicking into overtime I remember
that being part of the discussion those
discussions go ahead um so uh just to
say that yes they're having more
officers and may also explain that from
the time some you know uh recruits start
their program it's about a year so I
don't know how many recruits he'll have
starting in May and he did mention that
they lose a lot of folks as soon as they
go through training so we we can't
automatically assume that there's
there'll be enough officers coming on in
May or a year from the next recruitment
class so um I definitely would not want
to put myself in the entire city at Bay
by not allowing you additional overtime
uh
I agree go ahead please right I think
it's important to make like two
distinctions uh one proposing a budget
and all shapes and facets doesn't mean
that it's a guaranteed ask I think we
had the same conversation last year
we're looking at this recommended uh
amount is a significant increase to the
2023 adopted budget uh I think Chief
Cliff has been apparent as saying that
the community is not at Jeopardy and I
think it is also important to note that
the Investments that were making
and uh some of the antiviolence programs
I think at some point those are going to
need to either assist but curving and
addressing some of the um preventative uh mechanisms that are
providing individuals helpess to use
violence um but also I do agree with
Miss pter that investments in technology
uh to cheap CLP this point has yielded
improvements um so I think increasing it
beyond the adopted to 2023 budget is a
consideration I'm willing to make and
then uh confidently uh seeking out that
these eight individuals that are going
to graduate from the academy in May 2024
and the continued efforts of not only
the police department but also our uh
Community programs to invest in
community policing that supports the
entire community of be uh taking up this uh not fight um but this stance of
how do we address and make sure that our
public is safe I think that is a
comfortable number
I do want to point out that we spent
almost 25 uh 2.5 million in um 2022 so
already the 2023 budget was like a
million dollars less and um I I'm sorry
I didn't bring my what what have we
spent so far our year to date is 1.8
million 1.8 million at 18 1.84 Z 577 so
we have about I don't know
like
150,000 um to remain for the rest of
2023 because right now they were 25
people short on the street so I don't
know I mean I think that was the
justification and I hear you know the
technology piece I think will help
moving forward but I still think that
that's still pretty new as well in terms
of being um
operational so I think it's going to
take some time to see the you know
hopeful hopeful um outcome that we are
anticipating with that as
well so where need to get our 25 from
where did I get the
22481 349 is what we spent in 201 no no you're saying that were 13 24 people
vaces 12 in training and 25 people short
on the street is what they said the
other evening when they came and
presented it is from n in May yep
unless I wrote it down wrong but that's
what I 13 VY 12 in training eight is
going on in me that's
what yeah maybe I wrote it down anybody
else
okay I had a question on
this then we'll move
into we'll move into a31
232 and there is a proposal here to
increase on the 2023 of time line by
105,000 to bring that line to the 2024
line to 880,000
currently the line the
propos
990,000
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again I mean look at what we spent in
2022 1259 893 so
um you know not in 2023 2022 2022 I'm
just looking and I'm I'm looking at our
year to date right now it's
86399 so it's it I guess I'm guessing
with the crime going down and all the
technology that's added you can see that
we're not not we're not quite even at
what we're out we're considering
allocating for
2024 the year dat please me so
technology is really not going to help
too much in the investigation piece
because you get a murder or something
you have just look at the public murders
that we had that's where all the extra
costs are uh it's just Manpower and just
trudging through it that's where the
expenses
are
go ahead please I would just disree only
for an instance that everything
generates paperwork and my time um I
need to go more recently I think saving
that time is also cost saving as
well just a process question so when we
get through all of these things we're
going to go back and make final
decisions right we're not these are not
our fin yeah I'm running this through
discussion okay then we'll go back and
um just move quickly through them if we
are for or against it yeah any other
question on
this see now we move to a342
d112 and this is the Five Fighter it ask
is increase over the 2023 over timeline
by
209,000 and to bring the 2024 proposed
line so a mill
70,000 so cutting 500,000 from the
request right it was
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1.57 open for
questions um is I'll offer the year I'm
sorry I'll offer the year to date which
is
75458 754 I'm sorry
586 93 cents I think that went
up we were 740 when we talked about it
last time yeah so that's how much it
went up just since
74
14,000 that print out was come October
4th y
question go ahead please if I'm not
looking at you please call
me my head in here trying to make notes
also I would say I absolutely hear the
statements from my colleagues uh but I
would say if your stance is that over
time is needed then I think my response
would be then what are the benefits of
having us continually fund Public Safety
Foundation
efforts well I have to say that the
public safety Foundation efforts are
compl it's like comparing apples and or
the reason that we have the public
safety foundations is so that the
officers can be out there at community
events like common Unity
or I'd have to go back and look at other
events but I think those are it's it's
like having
um this this is Public Safety I mean in
terms of fire and police to have the
overtime because we need it right now
we're you obviously using it in terms of
getting folks out there on the street
whether they're fighting fires or
fighting crime versus um I think it's 25
for each right $50,000 total for the
police and the
fire it's getting like they're going to
family fund day at Stein Park and giving
out stuff or or Scare activity this
weekend um you know what I mean it's
like a it's like having opportunities
for our firefighters and our police to
be interacting in an informal way pay
with the community versus for
$50,000
versus them doing the work of Public
Safety um so that's the difference I see
go ahead please I would say the times
that I've seen the fir fires out in the
public they're handing out pamphlets and
brochures that are promoting best safe
practices to decrease of fires in homes
uh so I think these types of efforts are
very important and I think uh very vital
to not only addressing households in
general um but also uh to making sure
that we're addressing these concerns
with people at their infantile stages so
that kids grow up with this
understanding and naturally incorporate
it into their lives but I I imagine that
they're having these types of
conversations I don't think that they're
just talking about how cooler uniforms
look you no but are you suggesting that
we cut the 55 the 25 and the 25 I'm
saying that these I'm saying these types
of efforts have an impact on our
community totally great oh no totally
but I'm saying specifically with respect
to improving Public Safety so I'm saying
these types of Investments that we're
making should have cost savings overall
in
overtime not on their own but
cumulatively and I'm wrapping in the
technological technological Investments
we're making also and the fact that we
are bring in more officer or not in
respect to the Fire Department chief uh
Chief Marino is reevaluating how to make
sure that he is increasing his Staffing
level by thinking of a revolutionary
concept of now hiring EMTs and training
them I think these typ Investments are
going to allow us to find cost savings I totally agree with what you just said
but I think it it's going to take some
time for those things to happen and so I
think we're in agreement that the 25 and
the 25 obviously are adding to
the safety issues I don't disagree with
you there but I still think that boots
on the ground um fighting fires and
fighting crime um has to happen and I
also agree with you that I thought you
know they're both trying to have as many
creative ways to increase recruitment I
mean clearly unfortunately um some of
the negative things that have happened
over the last few years have have um
placed a stigma on people not applying
to be police officers for example um I
think it's different with the
firefighters but I guess you know from
talking with Chief Marino there's been a
reduction in the number of people that
want to go into firefighting as well um
so I just think I hear what you're
saying but I think going into a
classroom of third graders and teaching
them about fire safety is really
important and is something that probably
has been happening even all our lives
right um but I think having still the
amount of funding that they need and
that they're requesting to go out and do
their jobs I think in the immediate as
opposed to when that third grader you
know hopefully is owning a house and
trying their best to prevent fires
um you know no I I I can speak on this
one because it was a recommendation for
me and we were putting $50,000 towards
Public Safety Foundation under the
police and was May as a um contribution
to say let split it between the two
Department 25 years to get them involved
in the community so that they can bridge
that Gap you know that stigma that is
happening interact with the community to
get them more involved let's hear what's
happening over there and I think they're
doing a good job prr we just need to
expand a little bit more provide more
support to them maybe consider next year
to increase it so you know saw a good
thing happening there the interaction is
very important to building bridges in
our community I
agree go ahead please again I'm just
always going to bring forward that you
know I'm keeping track of what we're
spending year to date and based on that
I I you know I think that I'm
comfortable with with this uh it looks
like they're having the ability to cut
down on their overtime um from years
past versus this year so I think that's
how that's how one of the reasons we
have to look at this as we improve the
technology as we have more firefighters
as as they get grants from other places
and specifically when I say that I want
to talk about I mean the police
department because they're applying and
as you know they come before us multiple
times um with grants that they get and
those grants also supplement existing
staff it's just not for bullets and
holsters and things like that some of
the grants like if they need Personnel
to do specific things they're paid for
out of the grant as
well any other
questions okay so you now move on to um
A36
14-404 police review board and the
recommendation
here recommendation here is to increase
the fees for service line by
10,000 and and to reduce the outside
legal council by
10,000 that is just a movement
there goad please again I think the
5,000 covers what they need in terms of
their professional development and their
membership fee in um n nle and the
conference I guess the conference is
like 3,000 or something and the
membership but I would do away again
with the 25,000 um in outside um I don't think they need the
outside
councel go ahead please um so I I I have
to say that I think that the training
right now if a training cost $3,000 with
$5,000 they couldn't even send two
people and I don't really think it's as
beneficial for just one person to go and
to bring back the information that more
than one person should have the
opportunity to attend the training if
for some reason that person leaves the
board or whatever the case may be so I
think beneficially uh for for this
particular review board if we're
especially if we're going to kind of
keep up with what's going on in terms of
um review boards and having them
exchange information with people who do
similar things around the country I
think it's important that we send more
than one person to a training if
possible so um I would support having
enough money for at least uh two people
go I know at one point they had and then
we have to pay to be Parton they call
and at one point they decided they
didn't want to be but AR are yeah they
are um our ordinance clearly says that
you have to be yeah so there's that
payment and then you know people go in
the training and like this time maybe
it's 3,000 one only one person could go
so I I would suggest that we keep we put
enough money in to allow people to go
training if we really want the best
training for our board members some
boards pay people to be on them and this
one doesn't so they're volunteers this
is an opportunity for them to increase
their skill set in terms of serving as
volunteers so we could reduce the coun
outside Council I do have a question and
I think does someone from your office
now go to those um we go as needed um
I've been in communication with the
police department staff who have those
meetings um and if they feel or the
chairperson from cprb fields that is
needed for somebody from my office to
attend that will attend it hasn't come
up um there were the only questions that
have ever come up um had to do with
somebody's ability on the board um for
questions about that that was early on I
think maybe in maybe the end of last
year uh beginning of this year but
nothing has aisen
since go ahead please I could just talk
on the outside Council again there's
money in the law department for outside
Council we bring in attorneys as needed
so if a scenario came up where there's a
conflicted position where city council
needed separate representation or
somebody on one of the boards or
commission needed outside
representation there's money for that
and we try and again leverage stuff with
uh membership with New York Conference
of Mayors provides uh guidance and
uh
case law different things the AG's
office sometimes will assist local
government and things so that that money
that's in the Council budget now I
didn't use it this year I don't see
scenario we're going to use it in the
future that we haven't used it in the
last 10 and some years but if you needed
something there is money in the budget
that's proposed and so if you want to
that or look at
that that would be the appropriate way
to deal
with please so I thought the reason why
we created a separate line is because
it' be easier for accounting purposes if
that's not right I'd be open to
May that was part of
it I can comment on
that e the mayor had to say I know this
I'm G to Echo what the mayor had to say
on this um I know this came up last year
um
as you know as you all know um the city
council hasn't used outside Council this
past year U cprb hasn't there's a budget
line obviously for um the law department
for outside Council and we use that
outside Council whether it is it's
usually it's a no not usually it's a
determination made by the law department
on whether or not we have the capacity
or to to handle a particular legal
situation or uh whether there's some
type of conflict uh in which um it would
be better best for it to be handled by
outside
Council that you know seldom happens uh
in terms of a conflict um but that's not
to say that it couldn't happen um and we
would obviously have to make the
professional
determination um to to say that we do
have a conflict and refer to outside
Council but we provide um outside
Council for you know situations
involving other departments in the city
um where you know whether even if it's
not our insurance company but something
arises let's say hypothetically it's an
article 78 because of some
administrative decision made by the
Planning Commission made by uh you know
the chief building inspector made by you
know some somebody else who has the
authority to make an administrative
decision um and at that point in time
the Law Department feels that it does
not have the capacity to handle that
particular matter we would refer to
outside Council it would be covered by
our insurance um and in that situation
it comes out of the law Department's
budget is outside Council so for
accounting purposes it's not
distinguishable between the Departments
it just comes out of the Law Department
budget go ahead please and act me no no sorry don't um yeah because there's
100,000 Dollar in the
2024 um proposed budget for outside
legal services in the legal department
and you know it looks like that would
cover
um what we might
need in terms of what we had spent year
to date and that kind of thing so so I
have the year to date of course I do um
but there's like multiple lines here so
is it just the fees for services is your
is it your labor lawyer is it your
litigation support is it all those
things added up oh I was just looking at
outside Legal Services no I'm talking
about the year to date spread out she's
looking at more detailed breakdown on
the budget so Anthony can ah we need an
actual yeah everybody has this we use
outside Council for certain certain
things that we do right um you know we
use a bankruptcy attorney um outside
Council um Brian from specifically to
handle matters where um you know usually
it happens with tax issues right
somebody files for
bankruptcy our outside Council Brian ker
interacts with my office and also the
receiver of taxes to make sure that
whomever is in bankruptcy is following
their bankruptcy plan and is um which is
payments you know on a Bas on a typical
basis and he will then act um if
somebody doesn't follow their plan to
have a stay witht or have a bankruptcy
dismiss um we try to use them
strategically obviously when we're about
to do a foreclosure um but he's still
doing work throughout the year um we use
outside Council dealing with certain
labor issues um you know could
be it could be a grievance it could be
just um you know an issue with you know
police officer firefighter whomever it
may be we have to make a determination
to use outside Council we're not using
outside Council obviously willy-nilly um
you know there are certain lines um for
the labor attorney that we may use for
that but um you know determination made
and I I consult my office consults with
Finance to determine um the best way to
pay a particular attorney based on what
they're doing for the city um you know I
don't know exactly every single line
that it gets paid out of um you know it
I would say it varies based on the
attorney and what the doing what
services are provided um as you know you
know we do our foreclosures in house but
um unlike a lot of other municipalities
but we still may use outside Council as
I mentioned when it comes to
foreclosures Brian ker because he's
working on the payy
part
okay any other question on
this see then we move
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to A3
64-44 street department
manager ask to just increase this so no
I don't think the the thing is Right a
oh sorry that's what you have on here 36 sorry yeah that's
sorry a
510100 street department manager they
ask us to bring this up to four% over
the 2023 salary there's a narrative
there and all of us had an opportunity
to listen to Mr laan explaining all the
work is being done
currently the street department manager and this
Salway supervisor is it the so removing
the ideas to remove the director of
Public Works key dist street department
manager position right and move that to
uh I think 104,000 so 52k in the street
Administration I think and then 52 in
the waste Administration right yeah but but when you first when it was first
not you first but let me just have a
note when I it was first brought
forward it
was it was changing a title
right that's correct yes first they make
it the same title for both and
increasing it from 45 to 52 for both
because the guy is going to be saving us
about 80
grand the same guy being both JG is that
correct that's
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going so 52 from one line and 52 from
the other yes that's correct but when
the when we first were um given the
budget it was this title it was you they
changed the title to director of public
works right and the proposed salary at
half of the proposed salary was
4,968 not 52 well that's Paul came back
to increase it if you here that day
right
52 okay and and because there's be a
savings of 88,000 it's going to be one
guy do both the jobs the director of
Public Works and he wants to change that
to Street manager also so we wouldn't
have that
884 see that 88 339 we didn't it's not
being uh not being uh brought over a
budgeted
2024 the 88400 8 but that was the
adopted um bud in 2023 correct but then
by creating the director of Public Works
it was split
45968 each with yeah which was a 4%
moving the individual back so street
department manager but you're pumping it
by seven almost
7,000 under each department follow the
fund
request so where is what is the
additional P duties oh I'm sorry page 33
additional is going to take over race
Administration is this civil service or
is this going to be management Street street department
manager a management
position here it
is so what's the increase like
14%
okay say
88,000 any other question on
this find the other one no did not but I
found waste but I just didn't find that
81600 it was the director of Public
Works they change it to Street manager
and they gone from 45 yeah they're not
doing 68 to 52,000 they're not filling
director of solid waste and now they're
not doing director Solway taking out the
88,000 yep I got it I see
it so so actually his Department went
down overall gu over
total budget was down I believe
1.69% but that's what I wrot down so I
mean I don't have the job descriptions
in front of me
but I guess I'm questioning how one
person can do two full-time
jobs manage it well manage it it's going
to take ogs and waste
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in scheduling following
up Paul believes that it can be
done if you let him in here get them in
to give you more detailed explanation in
the
work because I I mean I imagine once you
get to this level it is a lot of work so
I just like really wondering how that
could happen it's a lot
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ogn waste water and water you know say
City I don't know hundreds of thousands
of dollars a year he did
job he's got confidence in this
yeah
okay we can maybe we can just send the
email so I mean we're I don't know we're
at I guess we're at the point we're like
making decisions tonight but that's my
that would be my
question all right any other question on
this Mr far you going to make the the
adjustment zero out um the director of
Public Works and move that into street department yeah once we decide
whatever we decide to move forward
either
way okay any other question on this the
next item is um A51
2100 remove fleet
manager and the Not There is assistant
is doing a all the work doing budget
hearing allward will be
completed by the
assistant open for
question my note said that they're short
staff
but
or
just you want to get rid of the fleet
manager it's not full it's not currently oh it's not there's
no one in that
position
okay so was Mr lefon recommending
getting rid of the fleet finish yes
okay no he didn't recommend get written
you recommended to add the position back
this year we didn't have it last year
yeah that's what I was gonna say we had
it at one time um then we didn't have it
and did you remember circumstances that
this this the night guy I just realiz
that's a different oh okay I just
remember that when he was he said that
this other person could do the job but
if you want
to pass the test so he went back there
being assistant manag so he's been doing
the assistant management job job and now
Paul says he wants to bring somebody
back in to help now and he just saved
this 0,000 but we in our discussions I
mean we can go back and look he did say
that the other person was was handling
all the job so he does it's a great Cas
hard working okay all
right yeah he did mention that he's
asking to fill this position into 2024
but at the same time he said the
assistant he the assistant is doing all
the work that is
needed I'm
sorry
one thank
you any other question on
this if now we'll move to a 5132
d121 discuss the motor equipment
operator mechanic one
and there are some notes there with some
concern in terms of liability and having
this person work is solo Shi by
him so as you know I brought that
because I I'm still concerned that a
person would be in a garage by
themselves all night and you know in the
event that something happened so um I
looked into it and there's no ocean
requirement that that we cannot do that
but again I have concerns for the safety
of the indiv idual and for um the any
liability on the part of the city should
something happen so if if we're going to
do it then I I really would think that
we would want to um establish a work
alone policy for when people are in the
situation so there's some protocols put
in place for somebody who works alone
and should something happen there's ways
to trigger things for someone to know
that something's happened so um and if
this is the same position also that
they're they're getting this lift for
this portable lift
that even makes me more concerned but um
because you know things happen in
garages so um I understand our need for
it however I just want to make sure that
we have systems in place of these
person's individually in a garage at
Night by themselves um that we have
something that's in place and I mean
it's not up to me to decide um Staffing
but even having somebody else rotate in
would make me more comfortable but
that's that's not my call but I just
wanted to express my concern around
that any other
question see now we'll move on to
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a71
10-100 director of pars the ask is to
increase that to 4% over the 2023 salary
L Mr Mr Lo
the director of pars right now makes
80,000 this is
4% let me see
87 was for 728 but he under the book for
8 so the 832 is the 4% 4%
correct 80,000 even yes that's the
salary
well it's
okay so it just didn't show when you
hired him you brought him up to 80,000
well again
because the position was vacant rather
than use the recruitment line we used
money that was within the original
appropriation but that was the salary
that he wanted to be hired so I could
have taken it out of the recruitment
line and it just it makes the accounting
work complicated it was just taking out
of that L pay a little bit more that's
what the budget reflects I submitted to
you oh yeah well there's no way to know
it because it looks like he was making
72 and then went up to like like
$110,000 that's what it appears yeah
that makes sense but it's but it's 4%
cuz he's currently making 82 currently
making 80 currently making 80
okay any other discussion on
this the next um is a81 161
D100 why the 8 plus% increase for the
assistance
solid um any csca supervising uh
supervising 1037 employees has to make
$150 a week more so uh uh because of the
big raises that 1037 got uh received
they got to make $150 a week more than
that so that $18 $150 a week
7,821 by itself so that's why youve got
the big increase
okay question
this now we know contractual contractual
correct all right moving on the next one
is a
9089
d840 employee Dr ask prod by 10,000 V is
3,900 the actual for
2967 for 2021 and
4,45 for
2022 open for
discussion go ahead please so I I don't
know if the numbers necessarily I'm just
wondering are we not testing
people because because I mean why why we
we're not seeing this line
spent uh some of was not testing some
was co uh we're still deing with some of
the issues with the changes in the
marijuana
regulations there is not I shouldn't
say testing technology shifting where
today some of the tests you can't
tell uh how recent the use of marijuana
is De can show for 30 days but really
then individual wouldn't be repaired
there are some tests that are supposedly
coming on the market that would show
the uh length of time from using it to
the test for the level impaired so on
that uh tell me if it was about
$5,000 we could live within that but I
would still want some
money uh going forward for the next year
to be able to uh just deal with the
realities of the workforce and where we
have to test whether it's new hiring or
on the job
incidents so you want to keep it at what
10 if we take if you want to take 5,000
out of it like what was the original
appropriation 15,000 15 so yeah if it
stays at 10 and then revisit it again in
a year to see where we are so reduce it
to 10 not by 10 um and just who who does
this apply to like who gets drug tested
random there's random testing and then
there's new hires who test different
levels right because I also saw drug
testing in the sewer department so those
employees
get there's a separate part of money for
their drug
testing for
CD CD for the water and sewer funds are
different funds yes so this is employees
other than that I correct in this one be
all a general fund
okay
so are we okay to keep that
10,000
okay next item is um G
81201 121 CCTV operator I think this was
Tyle I think you receive oh
yeah did receive a a copy with an
adjusted
um
amount
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yeah he went from 5846 2023 and 65,000
968 2024 that is due uh uh to the $3 an
hour ra so $3 an hour time 40 hours is
$120 a week time 5214 it's $
6,256 80 so 58 and uh 58 and 62 gives
you 64,000 672 280 and then in 2024 you
get and I have to add 2% to that
contraction com 65 968 okay okay okay
ready with if you look at the diagram
thank you you will see it but I gu I
know he gave us a print out too thank
you cuz we need more
people we'll skip this other two item
and go over to the next page and then
come
back I think we did address this one
here 8
55
100 that was for the real window I don't
you did no this is a yes we did no
that's for the City Assessor next one
it's the next one 1356 404 Miss
mroy um
recommended right so we did a change in
an increase let me go back to that page
if you I think it was because the person
is supervising somebody that's making
more money or something yes but they
gave us something that they increased it
that was already done right
well they increas it to 60,000 that's
not increased
in
1356 the 13551 100 we did Miss maoy She
also asked the B for
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right oh
it's I couldn't remember if it was the
appraiser or the analyst I didn't write
that down uh
54,000 is that what oh yeah because you
can see right no so she asked an
increase for uh the uh real property
analyst from
53756 to
54,000 oh so it's like a couple hundred
bucks yeah 200 and uh what was what was
he ask what was he ask from the
department head 54 54 as opposed to
53756 is it even is it even 54 yes cor
yeah that's all she
asked 200 more
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244 I guess I must be wrong that that
was she was more than person was
supervising somebody but no she we
didn't know what the figure was we had
no I I'm writing it down but that's only
a couple hundred
bucks can anybody else remember I I
thought I don't know for some reason if
it's if if if it's only a couple hundred
bucks then it's not going to bring them
above because my understanding if I
remember correctly is that she was um
supervising the real property appraiser
I believe it's the clerk ohing clerk makes way less than that yeah she
just
started so that doesn't work out then
well anyway so Molly's s uh the assessor
is suggesting 54 and
original reest was 54 everyone every
everyone should have that um yes
original
request oh sorry it's yeah we have it
but there's just a lot
of ah later that's what I'm looking
for okay yep and then when you gave it
today was the
54 actually the next one that I had
14
um let's go let's
go 1356 404 the assessment Board
review oh that I think we had a
discussion with um the assessor in
regards to this um board
attendance and M is not attending all
the meetings and
it's yes that was the one yeah yeah on
the rest of the members it was so she
was going to come back to us with a
recommendation how we Chang the
ordinance or legislation to address
these concerns and I think all us with
that to kind of work with her to address
those concerns because this is not the
first time that the board is finding
some difficulties in their
function Mr M go ahead
please um so a couple things I thought
that Mr colon said that that was
something that we'd have to look at uh
that you called about in terms of
changing minute yes um this it would be
outside of the budget process the budget
is setting the numbers um you'd have to
go and look at the I don't actually I
don't believe that it's set in the um
code I believe it was approved by
resolution okay um so the council could
obviously Set uh the fees that are paid
to um the people on the important
assessment review
by resolution so maybe we leave it the
way it is here and then moving forward
into the
year you know get that
analysis and think about it for
what yes I think that was discuss we
have public
here I I can talk to Miss Maly about it
she I discussed it quite some time ago
um and I don't know how many hours
obviously the they put in um I imagine
that you know she would have a better
sense and the council would have a
better sense May would have a better
sense of whether or not if you went to
you know some other type of payment
arrangement let's say hourly um if
$116,000 would um cover the hours that
they put in I don't know those hours I
I'm the the the concern I think that she
had was that there was actually a
particular person who actually didn't
show up for anything and was still
getting the same no they showed up for
if you don't mind they showed up for one
day they didn't show up for the day that
they were reviewing and then they showed
up for deliberation but still got the
full salary of everyone who had been
there the entire time not salary but
stien that's what she that would be
outside that would be outside of the
budget process that's something else
that the council can
address I'm happy to just move on yeah we did ask we did ask for
recommendation to come back to us email
get us involved let's see what the
narrative is to to move it forward and
to make necessary changes so that he can
better us s of theem office but I do
have one thing because the document that
was given to us today there's zero on
this for the
bar the bar is 16,000 no on this
document we got today there's no nothing
in
there but the changes that we
request
it's right at the bottom is peace for
service assessment riew about
now from her she
probably because she wanted
to
okay that was from her oh okay so m i mean the uh the assessor's
office gave you this yes okay thank
you all right so we'll follow the that
make sure that we
that Mr I got it but we're leaving it as
it is currently in terms of in the
budget this the amount okay thank you
and then the next one is a1430 D100
payroll
manager raise salary to 60,000 from
56,000 261 so slightly higher than the
personal benefit clar that was that the
position
supervis that was something that um Miss
was recommending I
believe open for question oh that was U
Miss Miss uh yeah yeah
okay oh okay because this is the one
where the person is supervising somebody
to make slightly more money than
man I would have support
that what's that I would support that
okay is this person CA she's the manager
the other man okay the
management management
so make so in 56 265 it would
be 37 35 60 the
addition the
additional the payroll manager
y all
right are we good with that M okay the
next one is a144
1-100 how much to add an ipf 3 per part
time that's 40,3
hour 40,000 let me just see what my note
was and why I even said that oh
so Mr Wen must have suggested
that had somebody I wrote need
ips3 up to better position in
C oh she went to utilties that way they
no no she went to cies oh oh that's
right so in that particular instance how
is that kind of so there's no
administrative support in that office
yeah they have IPS for uh what's her
name the person not IP or and uh you see
they also have an IPS uh the IPS uh
three in there
1440
ex yeah that's the same thing public
okay State Department then I'll take
away my I'll take away my
suggestion so both they're both
okay so you taking that off I can I'm
okay taking it off yeah there are two
position there one is a three and one is
a four no
ask and then the other one we already
discussed but that was the the confusion
that we had if you don't mind if I keep
going yeah yeah so the other one was
changing it from mayor recruitment funds
just to recruitment funds because that
question came up the other day just it's
just a change on the
wording he copied and
paste so I don't I mean it's no money
difference it's just that um people
wereused because about that but it's not
just to recruit for the mayor's office
it's to recruit in
general yeah I I don't think we ever use
this but we never Ed it one attempt to
use it on the individual just walk away
if you can recall yeah it was it was put
in there just for a cushion to the May
during the co that people weren't
seeking job an incentive there I think
that is when we know people are applying
they're coming forward applying for
jobs money I was just saying let's just
change the line
future it was
that part it was more of a need at that
time rather than now it's not much much
of a need now to to for this
line um we already did senior
centers and then I already mentioned
what I felt about the outside Council
for civilian police review
board and oh yeah this is the one where
C I think we addressed that
81211 121 yeah yeah we
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121 oh we're going back that us went up
to 6
to5 this I think didn't we say let's
check that because it went from 58 416
to
79 we the corre
I just explain how sorry I didn't see
the corre sorry CTV operator oh that's
on the other sheet okay umed 8120 d121
65 so it was um in 2023 it was5 96
416 and then it was brought to us for
70,000 but then it went down okay I got
it to 65
968 okay thank you I think that is the
question ask by
okay thank
you we're
good all right I don't over Health
numbers yeah
um asking just go back show the benefit
the Healthcare
numbers and also add to that the last
year we did receive a reate of 500,000
excuse me last year so where is that in
this proposed budget in the proposed
budget yes the
$500,000 rebate are we not receiving any
rebate this uh we hope we receive rebate
uh what we do is usually put that the
rebate we usually get is from uh from
Pharmacy yes we us we what we usually do
from the pharmacy is the
uh I believe we just uh where is it last
year we did receive receive a budget of
500,000 or I mean this year excuse me
this year what was your budgeted amount
for 2023 for what
rebate hold on from the
pharmacy no that will be all the way
to
yeah was in near the back
right employ employes
Ben page page
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4 is it the Medicare reimbursement right
here no that's something
else I think this is the pharmacy proact
rebate right yeah I don't I don't see
here it should we usually do with that
though too we usually try to lower what
our payouts going to be when we get that
yeah but in our it's not
reced I have to find out can you WR that
down yeah I take a look yeah yeah but
that's that's uh Elizabeth takes care of
that so was the in other words are you
saying that that was in 2023 or that is
yes yes so what we do is I had to I
hired a group to audit our our things
and one of the things that we're getting
is to make sure that they give us the
full benefits that we paying for it and
that's how we got the rebate it's it's a
reat that it will receive and it's
attached the the proact if I'm proact um
the pharmacy so my question is though is
that a guaranteed rebate in 2024 I mean
in other words that's SEC yeah so that's
why it's not in the budget yeah that's
well see what I mean we had it on the
budget for 2023 it's not I don't see I
don't see here is
a is it on the revenue still want count
on something
$500,000
I think it would be in
Revenue 8268 you're talking about is
that rebates what is it I'm sorry so
Revenue you're talking about
8 is that the
proa I think it's proact and our what's
the other one huh Canon no stop L it's
um a
2680 B
26
recoveries oh Insurance recoveries yeah
good
gotcha ah so 268d I see it yeah line is
a rebate line that's a it's a rebate
line yes
and we don't use it as in the as a
revenue we don't put in as an
expense you know we put it as a but what
if you don't get
it we're sh for
no in
myal life I wouldn't let anybody put let
me put grants in yeah what happen if
people don't pay their taxes you know
well that's
true so that's just something that they
do every year possibly
was we have a couple of things we have
the the stop loss rebate and the that's
good we pay a lot of
M on the on the healthare part I mean I
have no say you're saying it's going up
by 14% higher but across of standard um
across the board is going up like 6 to
8% what is the difference with your 4 4%
going up horses the 68% across I I I
felt that 14% the way we've been really
working the last few years we we're
probably between 6% and I felt I didn't
want to raise the budget 14% where I
thought we can get away with ses that's
what our our cumulative basis you know
what I mean last year I think you were
at six around that per last year you
were 6% so 14% higher is
here some the trends where during Co is
we're self-insured paying what the
actual uh usage
is people weren't going to the doctor as
much people deferred procedures and
other things so the costs went down now
all those things that were
deferred are starting to catch up with
people so you're
seeing just a high utilization is that
true y plus you got to remember too
we're also hiring more people too more
families and uh you know there one one
thing too you're hiring police and fire
and they're retiring at a young age so
what happens so for every every uh you
know uh person who retires a family you
got four guys on it you're not getting
rid of four people because they're under they're under 65 you're
still paying for them so you're adding
another one so as as people retired it's
not the number goes down it goes up
because plus especially for Public
Service Plus these these the health
insurance benefits I mean don't you get
that from our
analyst you have you have an analyst
that makes these recommendations for
right yeah yeah you got the the thing I
it all