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that was said time and time again was

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that this would give officers more time

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on the street and reduce Aon and and all

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the other um doing come back into the

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station do a lot of things so therefore

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not kicking into overtime I remember

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that being part of the discussion those

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discussions go ahead um so uh just to

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say that yes they're having more

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officers and may also explain that from

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the time some you know uh recruits start

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their program it's about a year so I

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don't know how many recruits he'll have

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starting in May and he did mention that

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they lose a lot of folks as soon as they

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go through training so we we can't

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automatically assume that there's

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there'll be enough officers coming on in

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May or a year from the next recruitment

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class so um I definitely would not want

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to put myself in the entire city at Bay

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by not allowing you additional overtime

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it's important to make like two

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distinctions uh one proposing a budget

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and all shapes and facets doesn't mean

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that it's a guaranteed ask I think we

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had the same conversation last year

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we're looking at this recommended uh

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amount is a significant increase to the

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2023 adopted budget uh I think Chief

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the community is not at Jeopardy and I

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think it is also important to note that

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the Investments that were making

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and uh some of the antiviolence programs

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need to either assist but curving and

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addressing some of the um preventative uh mechanisms that are

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providing individuals helpess to use

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violence um but also I do agree with

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uh to cheap CLP this point has yielded

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improvements um so I think increasing it

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beyond the adopted to 2023 budget is a

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consideration I'm willing to make and

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then uh confidently uh seeking out that

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these eight individuals that are going

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to graduate from the academy in May 2024

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and the continued efforts of not only

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the police department but also our uh

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Community programs to invest in

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community policing that supports the

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entire community of be uh taking up this uh not fight um but this stance of

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how do we address and make sure that our

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public is safe I think that is a

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comfortable number

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I do want to point out that we spent

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almost 25 uh 2.5 million in um 2022 so

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already the 2023 budget was like a

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million dollars less and um I I'm sorry

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I didn't bring my what what have we

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spent so far our year to date is 1.8

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million 1.8 million at 18 1.84 Z 577 so

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150,000 um to remain for the rest of

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2023 because right now they were 25

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people short on the street so I don't

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justification and I hear you know the

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technology piece I think will help

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moving forward but I still think that

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that's still pretty new as well in terms

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of being um

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operational so I think it's going to

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take some time to see the you know

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hopeful hopeful um outcome that we are

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anticipating with that as

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well so where need to get our 25 from

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where did I get the

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22481 349 is what we spent in 201 no no you're saying that were 13 24 people

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vaces 12 in training and 25 people short

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on the street is what they said the

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other evening when they came and

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presented it is from n in May yep

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unless I wrote it down wrong but that's

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what I 13 VY 12 in training eight is

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going on in me that's

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what yeah maybe I wrote it down anybody

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this then we'll move

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into we'll move into a31

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increase on the 2023 of time line by

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105,000 to bring that line to the 2024

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line to 880,000

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currently the line the

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again I mean look at what we spent in

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just looking and I'm I'm looking at our

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86399 so it's it I guess I'm guessing

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with the crime going down and all the

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technology that's added you can see that

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we're not not we're not quite even at

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what we're out we're considering

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allocating for

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2024 the year dat please me so

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technology is really not going to help

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too much in the investigation piece

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because you get a murder or something

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you have just look at the public murders

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that we had that's where all the extra

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costs are uh it's just Manpower and just

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trudging through it that's where the

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expenses

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go ahead please I would just disree only

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for an instance that everything

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generates paperwork and my time um I

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need to go more recently I think saving

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that time is also cost saving as

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well just a process question so when we

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get through all of these things we're

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going to go back and make final

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decisions right we're not these are not

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our fin yeah I'm running this through

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discussion okay then we'll go back and

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um just move quickly through them if we

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are for or against it yeah any other

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this see now we move to a342

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d112 and this is the Five Fighter it ask

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is increase over the 2023 over timeline

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209,000 and to bring the 2024 proposed

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70,000 so cutting 500,000 from the

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questions um is I'll offer the year I'm

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sorry I'll offer the year to date which

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586 93 cents I think that went

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up we were 740 when we talked about it

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last time yeah so that's how much it

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14,000 that print out was come October

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question go ahead please if I'm not

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looking at you please call

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me my head in here trying to make notes

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also I would say I absolutely hear the

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statements from my colleagues uh but I

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would say if your stance is that over

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time is needed then I think my response

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would be then what are the benefits of

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having us continually fund Public Safety

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efforts well I have to say that the

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public safety Foundation efforts are

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compl it's like comparing apples and or

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the reason that we have the public

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safety foundations is so that the

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officers can be out there at community

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events like common Unity

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events but I think those are it's it's

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um this this is Public Safety I mean in

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terms of fire and police to have the

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overtime because we need it right now

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getting folks out there on the street

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whether they're fighting fires or

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fighting crime versus um I think it's 25

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for each right $50,000 total for the

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police and the

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fire it's getting like they're going to

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family fund day at Stein Park and giving

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out stuff or or Scare activity this

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weekend um you know what I mean it's

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like a it's like having opportunities

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for our firefighters and our police to

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be interacting in an informal way pay

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versus them doing the work of Public

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go ahead please I would say the times

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that I've seen the fir fires out in the

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public they're handing out pamphlets and

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brochures that are promoting best safe

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practices to decrease of fires in homes

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very important and I think uh very vital

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to not only addressing households in

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general um but also uh to making sure

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with people at their infantile stages so

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that kids grow up with this

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understanding and naturally incorporate

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it into their lives but I I imagine that

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they're having these types of

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conversations I don't think that they're

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just talking about how cooler uniforms

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look you no but are you suggesting that

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of efforts have an impact on our

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community totally great oh no totally

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to improving Public Safety so I'm saying

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these types of Investments that we're

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overtime not on their own but

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technological technological Investments

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respect to the Fire Department chief uh

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Chief Marino is reevaluating how to make

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level by thinking of a revolutionary

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concept of now hiring EMTs and training

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them I think these typ Investments are

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think we're in agreement that the 25 and

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the 25 obviously are adding to

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the safety issues I don't disagree with

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you there but I still think that boots

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on the ground um fighting fires and

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fighting crime um has to happen and I

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know they're both trying to have as many

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creative ways to increase recruitment I

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mean clearly unfortunately um some of

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the negative things that have happened

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placed a stigma on people not applying

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to be police officers for example um I

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think it's different with the

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firefighters but I guess you know from

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talking with Chief Marino there's been a

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reduction in the number of people that

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want to go into firefighting as well um

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classroom of third graders and teaching

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them about fire safety is really

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important and is something that probably

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has been happening even all our lives

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right um but I think having still the

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amount of funding that they need and

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that they're requesting to go out and do

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their jobs I think in the immediate as

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opposed to when that third grader you

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know hopefully is owning a house and

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trying their best to prevent fires

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um you know no I I I can speak on this

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one because it was a recommendation for

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me and we were putting $50,000 towards

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Public Safety Foundation under the

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police and was May as a um contribution

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to say let split it between the two

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Department 25 years to get them involved

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in the community so that they can bridge

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that Gap you know that stigma that is

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happening interact with the community to

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get them more involved let's hear what's

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happening over there and I think they're

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doing a good job prr we just need to

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expand a little bit more provide more

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support to them maybe consider next year

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to increase it so you know saw a good

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thing happening there the interaction is

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very important to building bridges in

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our community I

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agree go ahead please again I'm just

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always going to bring forward that you

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know I'm keeping track of what we're

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spending year to date and based on that

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I I you know I think that I'm

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comfortable with with this uh it looks

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like they're having the ability to cut

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down on their overtime um from years

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past versus this year so I think that's

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how that's how one of the reasons we

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have to look at this as we improve the

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technology as we have more firefighters

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as as they get grants from other places

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and specifically when I say that I want

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to talk about I mean the police

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department because they're applying and

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as you know they come before us multiple

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times um with grants that they get and

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those grants also supplement existing

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staff it's just not for bullets and

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holsters and things like that some of

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the grants like if they need Personnel

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to do specific things they're paid for

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out of the grant as

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well any other

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questions okay so you now move on to um

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A36

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14-404 police review board and the

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recommendation

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here recommendation here is to increase

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the fees for service line by

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10,000 and and to reduce the outside

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legal council by

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10,000 that is just a movement

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there goad please again I think the

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5,000 covers what they need in terms of

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their professional development and their

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membership fee in um n nle and the

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conference I guess the conference is

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like 3,000 or something and the

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membership but I would do away again

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with the 25,000 um in outside um I don't think they need the

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outside

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councel go ahead please um so I I I have

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to say that I think that the training

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right now if a training cost $3,000 with

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$5,000 they couldn't even send two

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people and I don't really think it's as

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beneficial for just one person to go and

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to bring back the information that more

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than one person should have the

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opportunity to attend the training if

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for some reason that person leaves the

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board or whatever the case may be so I

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think beneficially uh for for this

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particular review board if we're

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especially if we're going to kind of

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keep up with what's going on in terms of

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um review boards and having them

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exchange information with people who do

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similar things around the country I

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think it's important that we send more

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than one person to a training if

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possible so um I would support having

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enough money for at least uh two people

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go I know at one point they had and then

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we have to pay to be Parton they call

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and at one point they decided they

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didn't want to be but AR are yeah they

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are um our ordinance clearly says that

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you have to be yeah so there's that

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payment and then you know people go in

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the training and like this time maybe

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it's 3,000 one only one person could go

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so I I would suggest that we keep we put

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enough money in to allow people to go

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training if we really want the best

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training for our board members some

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boards pay people to be on them and this

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one doesn't so they're volunteers this

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is an opportunity for them to increase

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their skill set in terms of serving as

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volunteers so we could reduce the coun

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outside Council I do have a question and

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I think does someone from your office

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now go to those um we go as needed um

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I've been in communication with the

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police department staff who have those

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meetings um and if they feel or the

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chairperson from cprb fields that is

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needed for somebody from my office to

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attend that will attend it hasn't come

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up um there were the only questions that

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have ever come up um had to do with

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somebody's ability on the board um for

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questions about that that was early on I

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think maybe in maybe the end of last

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year uh beginning of this year but

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nothing has aisen

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since go ahead please I could just talk

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on the outside Council again there's

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money in the law department for outside

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Council we bring in attorneys as needed

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so if a scenario came up where there's a

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conflicted position where city council

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needed separate representation or

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somebody on one of the boards or

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commission needed outside

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representation there's money for that

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and we try and again leverage stuff with

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uh membership with New York Conference

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of Mayors provides uh guidance and

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uh

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case law different things the AG's

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office sometimes will assist local

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government and things so that that money

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that's in the Council budget now I

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didn't use it this year I don't see

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scenario we're going to use it in the

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future that we haven't used it in the

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last 10 and some years but if you needed

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something there is money in the budget

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that's proposed and so if you want to

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that or look at

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that that would be the appropriate way

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to deal

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with please so I thought the reason why

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we created a separate line is because

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it' be easier for accounting purposes if

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that's not right I'd be open to

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May that was part of

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it I can comment on

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that e the mayor had to say I know this

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I'm G to Echo what the mayor had to say

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on this um I know this came up last year

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um

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as you know as you all know um the city

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council hasn't used outside Council this

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past year U cprb hasn't there's a budget

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line obviously for um the law department

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for outside Council and we use that

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outside Council whether it is it's

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usually it's a no not usually it's a

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determination made by the law department

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on whether or not we have the capacity

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or to to handle a particular legal

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situation or uh whether there's some

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type of conflict uh in which um it would

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be better best for it to be handled by

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outside

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Council that you know seldom happens uh

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in terms of a conflict um but that's not

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to say that it couldn't happen um and we

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would obviously have to make the

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professional

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determination um to to say that we do

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have a conflict and refer to outside

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Council but we provide um outside

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Council for you know situations

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involving other departments in the city

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um where you know whether even if it's

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not our insurance company but something

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arises let's say hypothetically it's an

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article 78 because of some

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administrative decision made by the

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Planning Commission made by uh you know

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the chief building inspector made by you

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know some somebody else who has the

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authority to make an administrative

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decision um and at that point in time

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the Law Department feels that it does

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not have the capacity to handle that

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particular matter we would refer to

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outside Council it would be covered by

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our insurance um and in that situation

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it comes out of the law Department's

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budget is outside Council so for

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accounting purposes it's not

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distinguishable between the Departments

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it just comes out of the Law Department

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budget go ahead please and act me no no sorry don't um yeah because there's

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100,000 Dollar in the

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2024 um proposed budget for outside

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legal services in the legal department

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and you know it looks like that would

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cover

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um what we might

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need in terms of what we had spent year

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to date and that kind of thing so so I

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have the year to date of course I do um

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but there's like multiple lines here so

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is it just the fees for services is your

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is it your labor lawyer is it your

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litigation support is it all those

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things added up oh I was just looking at

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outside Legal Services no I'm talking

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about the year to date spread out she's

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looking at more detailed breakdown on

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the budget so Anthony can ah we need an

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actual yeah everybody has this we use

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outside Council for certain certain

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things that we do right um you know we

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use a bankruptcy attorney um outside

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Council um Brian from specifically to

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handle matters where um you know usually

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it happens with tax issues right

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somebody files for

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bankruptcy our outside Council Brian ker

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interacts with my office and also the

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receiver of taxes to make sure that

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whomever is in bankruptcy is following

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their bankruptcy plan and is um which is

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payments you know on a Bas on a typical

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basis and he will then act um if

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somebody doesn't follow their plan to

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have a stay witht or have a bankruptcy

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dismiss um we try to use them

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strategically obviously when we're about

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to do a foreclosure um but he's still

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doing work throughout the year um we use

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outside Council dealing with certain

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labor issues um you know could

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be it could be a grievance it could be

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just um you know an issue with you know

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police officer firefighter whomever it

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may be we have to make a determination

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to use outside Council we're not using

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outside Council obviously willy-nilly um

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you know there are certain lines um for

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the labor attorney that we may use for

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that but um you know determination made

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and I I consult my office consults with

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Finance to determine um the best way to

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pay a particular attorney based on what

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they're doing for the city um you know I

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don't know exactly every single line

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that it gets paid out of um you know it

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I would say it varies based on the

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attorney and what the doing what

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services are provided um as you know you

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know we do our foreclosures in house but

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um unlike a lot of other municipalities

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but we still may use outside Council as

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I mentioned when it comes to

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foreclosures Brian ker because he's

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working on the payy

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part

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okay any other question on

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this see then we move

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[Applause]

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to A3

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64-44 street department

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manager ask to just increase this so no

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I don't think the the thing is Right a

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oh sorry that's what you have on here 36 sorry yeah that's

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sorry a

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510100 street department manager they

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ask us to bring this up to four% over

552
00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:31,679
the 2023 salary there's a narrative

553
00:24:31,679 --> 00:24:33,120
there and all of us had an opportunity

554
00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:37,200
to listen to Mr laan explaining all the

555
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,870
work is being done

556
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:48,520
currently the street department manager and this

557
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,480
Salway supervisor is it the so removing

558
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,880
the ideas to remove the director of

559
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,600
Public Works key dist street department

560
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,120
manager position right and move that to

561
00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:04,080
uh I think 104,000 so 52k in the street

562
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,320
Administration I think and then 52 in

563
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:12,799
the waste Administration right yeah but but when you first when it was first

564
00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:15,200
not you first but let me just have a

565
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,720
note when I it was first brought

566
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,350
forward it

567
00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:25,840
was it was changing a title

568
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,120
right that's correct yes first they make

569
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:32,240
it the same title for both and

570
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,520
increasing it from 45 to 52 for both

571
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:36,880
because the guy is going to be saving us

572
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,149
about 80

573
00:25:40,159 --> 00:25:43,399
grand the same guy being both JG is that

574
00:25:43,399 --> 00:25:45,190
correct that's

575
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:47,320
[Music]

576
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,840
going so 52 from one line and 52 from

577
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,000
the other yes that's correct but when

578
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,240
the when we first were um given the

579
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,360
budget it was this title it was you they

580
00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:00,960
changed the title to director of public

581
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,640
works right and the proposed salary at

582
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,399
half of the proposed salary was

583
00:26:07,399 --> 00:26:11,000
4,968 not 52 well that's Paul came back

584
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,679
to increase it if you here that day

585
00:26:12,679 --> 00:26:14,399
right

586
00:26:14,399 --> 00:26:17,520
52 okay and and because there's be a

587
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,760
savings of 88,000 it's going to be one

588
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,679
guy do both the jobs the director of

589
00:26:22,679 --> 00:26:24,320
Public Works and he wants to change that

590
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,159
to Street manager also so we wouldn't

591
00:26:27,159 --> 00:26:28,320
have that

592
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,760
884 see that 88 339 we didn't it's not

593
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,039
being uh not being uh brought over a

594
00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:38,279
budgeted

595
00:26:38,279 --> 00:26:42,279
2024 the 88400 8 but that was the

596
00:26:42,279 --> 00:26:47,000
adopted um bud in 2023 correct but then

597
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,919
by creating the director of Public Works

598
00:26:49,919 --> 00:26:52,520
it was split

599
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,320
45968 each with yeah which was a 4%

600
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,240
moving the individual back so street

601
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,640
department manager but you're pumping it

602
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,240
by seven almost

603
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,600
7,000 under each department follow the

604
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,470
fund

605
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,159
request so where is what is the

606
00:27:10,159 --> 00:27:15,039
additional P duties oh I'm sorry page 33

607
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:20,990
additional is going to take over race

608
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,480
Administration is this civil service or

609
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:28,440
is this going to be management Street street department

610
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:29,840
manager a management

611
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:35,149
position here it

612
00:27:35,159 --> 00:27:38,399
is so what's the increase like

613
00:27:38,399 --> 00:27:40,799
14%

614
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:49,509
okay say

615
00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:55,710
88,000 any other question on

616
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,880
this find the other one no did not but I

617
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,080
found waste but I just didn't find that

618
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,159
81600 it was the director of Public

619
00:28:05,159 --> 00:28:07,679
Works they change it to Street manager

620
00:28:07,679 --> 00:28:10,080
and they gone from 45 yeah they're not

621
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,399
doing 68 to 52,000 they're not filling

622
00:28:12,399 --> 00:28:14,600
director of solid waste and now they're

623
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,159
not doing director Solway taking out the

624
00:28:17,159 --> 00:28:22,120
88,000 yep I got it I see

625
00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:24,799
it so so actually his Department went

626
00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:29,080
down overall gu over

627
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,640
total budget was down I believe

628
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:38,000
1.69% but that's what I wrot down so I

629
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,279
mean I don't have the job descriptions

630
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:40,720
in front of me

631
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,519
but I guess I'm questioning how one

632
00:28:43,519 --> 00:28:52,110
person can do two full-time

633
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,399
jobs manage it well manage it it's going

634
00:28:56,399 --> 00:28:59,620
to take ogs and waste

635
00:28:59,620 --> 00:29:01,640
[Music]

636
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,760
in scheduling following

637
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,039
up Paul believes that it can be

638
00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:12,080
done if you let him in here get them in

639
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,279
to give you more detailed explanation in

640
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:17,990
the

641
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,480
work because I I mean I imagine once you

642
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,480
get to this level it is a lot of work so

643
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,440
I just like really wondering how that

644
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,220
could happen it's a lot

645
00:29:28,220 --> 00:29:30,600
[Music]

646
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:36,039
ogn waste water and water you know say

647
00:29:36,039 --> 00:29:38,320
City I don't know hundreds of thousands

648
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,320
of dollars a year he did

649
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:49,470
job he's got confidence in this

650
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,000
yeah

651
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,320
okay we can maybe we can just send the

652
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,600
email so I mean we're I don't know we're

653
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,440
at I guess we're at the point we're like

654
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,440
making decisions tonight but that's my

655
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,080
that would be my

656
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,480
question all right any other question on

657
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,200
this Mr far you going to make the the

658
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,799
adjustment zero out um the director of

659
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:17,360
Public Works and move that into street department yeah once we decide

660
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,360
whatever we decide to move forward

661
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:21,880
either

662
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,640
way okay any other question on this the

663
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,600
next item is um A51

664
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,360
2100 remove fleet

665
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,880
manager and the Not There is assistant

666
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,840
is doing a all the work doing budget

667
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,559
hearing allward will be

668
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:43,149
completed by the

669
00:30:43,159 --> 00:30:51,190
assistant open for

670
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,120
question my note said that they're short

671
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,240
staff

672
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,080
but

673
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,919
or

674
00:30:59,919 --> 00:31:05,279
just you want to get rid of the fleet

675
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:09,840
manager it's not full it's not currently oh it's not there's

676
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,080
no one in that

677
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:17,110
position

678
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,039
okay so was Mr lefon recommending

679
00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:23,480
getting rid of the fleet finish yes

680
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,440
okay no he didn't recommend get written

681
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,120
you recommended to add the position back

682
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,720
this year we didn't have it last year

683
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:32,840
yeah that's what I was gonna say we had

684
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:37,320
it at one time um then we didn't have it

685
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,200
and did you remember circumstances that

686
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,200
this this the night guy I just realiz

687
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,880
that's a different oh okay I just

688
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,200
remember that when he was he said that

689
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,559
this other person could do the job but

690
00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:50,350
if you want

691
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,720
to pass the test so he went back there

692
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,000
being assistant manag so he's been doing

693
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,000
the assistant management job job and now

694
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,960
Paul says he wants to bring somebody

695
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,200
back in to help now and he just saved

696
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,080
this 0,000 but we in our discussions I

697
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:08,519
mean we can go back and look he did say

698
00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:10,080
that the other person was was handling

699
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,480
all the job so he does it's a great Cas

700
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,519
hard working okay all

701
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:20,480
right yeah he did mention that he's

702
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,639
asking to fill this position into 2024

703
00:32:23,639 --> 00:32:25,840
but at the same time he said the

704
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,440
assistant he the assistant is doing all

705
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,350
the work that is

706
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:37,909
needed I'm

707
00:32:37,919 --> 00:32:39,639
sorry

708
00:32:39,639 --> 00:32:42,990
one thank

709
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,399
you any other question on

710
00:32:45,399 --> 00:32:51,639
this if now we'll move to a 5132

711
00:32:51,639 --> 00:32:54,880
d121 discuss the motor equipment

712
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,720
operator mechanic one

713
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,840
and there are some notes there with some

714
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,720
concern in terms of liability and having

715
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:08,789
this person work is solo Shi by

716
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:11,159
him so as you know I brought that

717
00:33:11,159 --> 00:33:13,080
because I I'm still concerned that a

718
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,919
person would be in a garage by

719
00:33:15,919 --> 00:33:17,840
themselves all night and you know in the

720
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,080
event that something happened so um I

721
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,880
looked into it and there's no ocean

722
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,880
requirement that that we cannot do that

723
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,559
but again I have concerns for the safety

724
00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:29,039
of the indiv idual and for um the any

725
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:30,760
liability on the part of the city should

726
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,799
something happen so if if we're going to

727
00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:36,000
do it then I I really would think that

728
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,360
we would want to um establish a work

729
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,559
alone policy for when people are in the

730
00:33:41,559 --> 00:33:43,240
situation so there's some protocols put

731
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,440
in place for somebody who works alone

732
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:46,919
and should something happen there's ways

733
00:33:46,919 --> 00:33:48,919
to trigger things for someone to know

734
00:33:48,919 --> 00:33:52,519
that something's happened so um and if

735
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:54,120
this is the same position also that

736
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,080
they're they're getting this lift for

737
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:57,840
this portable lift

738
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,360
that even makes me more concerned but um

739
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:01,799
because you know things happen in

740
00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:04,919
garages so um I understand our need for

741
00:34:04,919 --> 00:34:07,399
it however I just want to make sure that

742
00:34:07,399 --> 00:34:09,079
we have systems in place of these

743
00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:11,079
person's individually in a garage at

744
00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:14,960
Night by themselves um that we have

745
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,280
something that's in place and I mean

746
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,280
it's not up to me to decide um Staffing

747
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,440
but even having somebody else rotate in

748
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:23,919
would make me more comfortable but

749
00:34:23,919 --> 00:34:25,960
that's that's not my call but I just

750
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,869
wanted to express my concern around

751
00:34:30,879 --> 00:34:36,470
that any other

752
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,770
question see now we'll move on to

753
00:34:38,770 --> 00:34:39,960
[Music]

754
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,069
a71

755
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:46,599
10-100 director of pars the ask is to

756
00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:53,990
increase that to 4% over the 2023 salary

757
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,560
L Mr Mr Lo

758
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,240
the director of pars right now makes

759
00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:03,589
80,000 this is

760
00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:07,520
4% let me see

761
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:14,310
87 was for 728 but he under the book for

762
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:20,750
8 so the 832 is the 4% 4%

763
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,800
correct 80,000 even yes that's the

764
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,349
salary

765
00:35:29,359 --> 00:35:31,160
well it's

766
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,320
okay so it just didn't show when you

767
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,400
hired him you brought him up to 80,000

768
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,079
well again

769
00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:40,560
because the position was vacant rather

770
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,760
than use the recruitment line we used

771
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,440
money that was within the original

772
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,680
appropriation but that was the salary

773
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,920
that he wanted to be hired so I could

774
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,760
have taken it out of the recruitment

775
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,520
line and it just it makes the accounting

776
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,640
work complicated it was just taking out

777
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,920
of that L pay a little bit more that's

778
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,680
what the budget reflects I submitted to

779
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,280
you oh yeah well there's no way to know

780
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,680
it because it looks like he was making

781
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,160
72 and then went up to like like

782
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,079
$110,000 that's what it appears yeah

783
00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:14,520
that makes sense but it's but it's 4%

784
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,839
cuz he's currently making 82 currently

785
00:36:16,839 --> 00:36:20,440
making 80 currently making 80

786
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,880
okay any other discussion on

787
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:29,630
this the next um is a81 161

788
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,359
D100 why the 8 plus% increase for the

789
00:36:33,359 --> 00:36:35,200
assistance

790
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,640
solid um any csca supervising uh

791
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,240
supervising 1037 employees has to make

792
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:48,280
$150 a week more so uh uh because of the

793
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,520
big raises that 1037 got uh received

794
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,880
they got to make $150 a week more than

795
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,880
that so that $18 $150 a week

796
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,160
7,821 by itself so that's why youve got

797
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,920
the big increase

798
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:10,870
okay question

799
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:17,119
this now we know contractual contractual

800
00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:19,800
correct all right moving on the next one

801
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,200
is a

802
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,440
9089

803
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:31,960
d840 employee Dr ask prod by 10,000 V is

804
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,319
3,900 the actual for

805
00:37:35,319 --> 00:37:38,280
2967 for 2021 and

806
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,750
4,45 for

807
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,160
2022 open for

808
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,800
discussion go ahead please so I I don't

809
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,760
know if the numbers necessarily I'm just

810
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,359
wondering are we not testing

811
00:37:55,359 --> 00:37:58,400
people because because I mean why why we

812
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,200
we're not seeing this line

813
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,359
spent uh some of was not testing some

814
00:38:06,359 --> 00:38:09,319
was co uh we're still deing with some of

815
00:38:09,319 --> 00:38:12,839
the issues with the changes in the

816
00:38:12,839 --> 00:38:15,680
marijuana

817
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:23,109
regulations there is not I shouldn't

818
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:27,839
say testing technology shifting where

819
00:38:27,839 --> 00:38:30,839
today some of the tests you can't

820
00:38:30,839 --> 00:38:35,280
tell uh how recent the use of marijuana

821
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,599
is De can show for 30 days but really

822
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:42,000
then individual wouldn't be repaired

823
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,720
there are some tests that are supposedly

824
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:49,119
coming on the market that would show

825
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:54,200
the uh length of time from using it to

826
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,839
the test for the level impaired so on

827
00:38:58,839 --> 00:39:02,760
that uh tell me if it was about

828
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,280
$5,000 we could live within that but I

829
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,520
would still want some

830
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,800
money uh going forward for the next year

831
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,200
to be able to uh just deal with the

832
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,040
realities of the workforce and where we

833
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,599
have to test whether it's new hiring or

834
00:39:18,599 --> 00:39:21,079
on the job

835
00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:24,599
incidents so you want to keep it at what

836
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:28,160
10 if we take if you want to take 5,000

837
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,440
out of it like what was the original

838
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,440
appropriation 15,000 15 so yeah if it

839
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,079
stays at 10 and then revisit it again in

840
00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:39,720
a year to see where we are so reduce it

841
00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:44,520
to 10 not by 10 um and just who who does

842
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:48,319
this apply to like who gets drug tested

843
00:39:48,319 --> 00:39:51,839
random there's random testing and then

844
00:39:51,839 --> 00:39:55,280
there's new hires who test different

845
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,720
levels right because I also saw drug

846
00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:00,760
testing in the sewer department so those

847
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:01,839
employees

848
00:40:01,839 --> 00:40:03,880
get there's a separate part of money for

849
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:04,839
their drug

850
00:40:04,839 --> 00:40:06,760
testing for

851
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:11,480
CD CD for the water and sewer funds are

852
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,280
different funds yes so this is employees

853
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,240
other than that I correct in this one be

854
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:25,349
all a general fund

855
00:40:25,359 --> 00:40:27,680
okay

856
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,000
so are we okay to keep that

857
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,069
10,000

858
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:37,800
okay next item is um G

859
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:43,040
81201 121 CCTV operator I think this was

860
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,640
Tyle I think you receive oh

861
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:51,440
yeah did receive a a copy with an

862
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,800
adjusted

863
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,319
um

864
00:40:55,319 --> 00:40:58,100
amount

865
00:40:58,100 --> 00:41:00,119
[Music]

866
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:05,480
yeah he went from 5846 2023 and 65,000

867
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:10,599
968 2024 that is due uh uh to the $3 an

868
00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:13,720
hour ra so $3 an hour time 40 hours is

869
00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:18,680
$120 a week time 5214 it's $

870
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:23,960
6,256 80 so 58 and uh 58 and 62 gives

871
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,560
you 64,000 672 280 and then in 2024 you

872
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,280
get and I have to add 2% to that

873
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:36,680
contraction com 65 968 okay okay okay

874
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,440
ready with if you look at the diagram

875
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,359
thank you you will see it but I gu I

876
00:41:41,359 --> 00:41:44,119
know he gave us a print out too thank

877
00:41:44,119 --> 00:41:47,160
you cuz we need more

878
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,359
people we'll skip this other two item

879
00:41:49,359 --> 00:41:51,920
and go over to the next page and then

880
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:52,839
come

881
00:41:52,839 --> 00:41:55,280
back I think we did address this one

882
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,880
here 8

883
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,480
55

884
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,480
100 that was for the real window I don't

885
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:05,240
you did no this is a yes we did no

886
00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:06,640
that's for the City Assessor next one

887
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,440
it's the next one 1356 404 Miss

888
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,160
mroy um

889
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,480
recommended right so we did a change in

890
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,000
an increase let me go back to that page

891
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,480
if you I think it was because the person

892
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,200
is supervising somebody that's making

893
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,079
more money or something yes but they

894
00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:25,119
gave us something that they increased it

895
00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:26,920
that was already done right

896
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,200
well they increas it to 60,000 that's

897
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,960
not increased

898
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:36,390
in

899
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:41,040
1356 the 13551 100 we did Miss maoy She

900
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:47,300
also asked the B for

901
00:42:47,310 --> 00:42:52,670
[Music]

902
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,160
right oh

903
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,720
it's I couldn't remember if it was the

904
00:42:57,720 --> 00:42:59,920
appraiser or the analyst I didn't write

905
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:02,839
that down uh

906
00:43:02,839 --> 00:43:05,680
54,000 is that what oh yeah because you

907
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,640
can see right no so she asked an

908
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,440
increase for uh the uh real property

909
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,480
analyst from

910
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,240
53756 to

911
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:17,680
54,000 oh so it's like a couple hundred

912
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,599
bucks yeah 200 and uh what was what was

913
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:23,720
he ask what was he ask from the

914
00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:27,359
department head 54 54 as opposed to

915
00:43:27,359 --> 00:43:32,040
53756 is it even is it even 54 yes cor

916
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,800
yeah that's all she

917
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,260
asked 200 more

918
00:43:37,260 --> 00:43:38,720
[Music]

919
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:41,800
244 I guess I must be wrong that that

920
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,319
was she was more than person was

921
00:43:44,319 --> 00:43:46,440
supervising somebody but no she we

922
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,640
didn't know what the figure was we had

923
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,680
no I I'm writing it down but that's only

924
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,280
a couple hundred

925
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,280
bucks can anybody else remember I I

926
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,240
thought I don't know for some reason if

927
00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:01,800
it's if if if it's only a couple hundred

928
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,119
bucks then it's not going to bring them

929
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:05,319
above because my understanding if I

930
00:44:05,319 --> 00:44:07,760
remember correctly is that she was um

931
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,960
supervising the real property appraiser

932
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:15,800
I believe it's the clerk ohing clerk makes way less than that yeah she

933
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:16,520
just

934
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,920
started so that doesn't work out then

935
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,640
well anyway so Molly's s uh the assessor

936
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:28,390
is suggesting 54 and

937
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,800
original reest was 54 everyone every

938
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,200
everyone should have that um yes

939
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:35,520
original

940
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,040
request oh sorry it's yeah we have it

941
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:43,230
but there's just a lot

942
00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:47,520
of ah later that's what I'm looking

943
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,000
for okay yep and then when you gave it

944
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,549
today was the

945
00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:58,230
54 actually the next one that I had

946
00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:00,960
14

947
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:05,309
um let's go let's

948
00:45:05,319 --> 00:45:09,520
go 1356 404 the assessment Board

949
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,240
review oh that I think we had a

950
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:16,200
discussion with um the assessor in

951
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,160
regards to this um board

952
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,800
attendance and M is not attending all

953
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,880
the meetings and

954
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,559
it's yes that was the one yeah yeah on

955
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:30,319
the rest of the members it was so she

956
00:45:30,319 --> 00:45:31,480
was going to come back to us with a

957
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,200
recommendation how we Chang the

958
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,440
ordinance or legislation to address

959
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,640
these concerns and I think all us with

960
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,680
that to kind of work with her to address

961
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,319
those concerns because this is not the

962
00:45:42,319 --> 00:45:46,200
first time that the board is finding

963
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,359
some difficulties in their

964
00:45:48,359 --> 00:45:51,119
function Mr M go ahead

965
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:53,400
please um so a couple things I thought

966
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:54,760
that Mr colon said that that was

967
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,800
something that we'd have to look at uh

968
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,119
that you called about in terms of

969
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:04,559
changing minute yes um this it would be

970
00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:06,599
outside of the budget process the budget

971
00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:10,040
is setting the numbers um you'd have to

972
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,960
go and look at the I don't actually I

973
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,559
don't believe that it's set in the um

974
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:17,079
code I believe it was approved by

975
00:46:17,079 --> 00:46:20,160
resolution okay um so the council could

976
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,359
obviously Set uh the fees that are paid

977
00:46:23,359 --> 00:46:25,200
to um the people on the important

978
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:26,800
assessment review

979
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:31,400
by resolution so maybe we leave it the

980
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,680
way it is here and then moving forward

981
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:35,720
into the

982
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:38,559
year you know get that

983
00:46:38,559 --> 00:46:42,520
analysis and think about it for

984
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,240
what yes I think that was discuss we

985
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:47,240
have public

986
00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:50,240
here I I can talk to Miss Maly about it

987
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:52,960
she I discussed it quite some time ago

988
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,280
um and I don't know how many hours

989
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,119
obviously the they put in um I imagine

990
00:46:58,119 --> 00:47:00,839
that you know she would have a better

991
00:47:00,839 --> 00:47:01,839
sense and the council would have a

992
00:47:01,839 --> 00:47:02,960
better sense May would have a better

993
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,400
sense of whether or not if you went to

994
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:06,839
you know some other type of payment

995
00:47:06,839 --> 00:47:10,160
arrangement let's say hourly um if

996
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,280
$116,000 would um cover the hours that

997
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,319
they put in I don't know those hours I

998
00:47:17,319 --> 00:47:20,760
I'm the the the concern I think that she

999
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,400
had was that there was actually a

1000
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,280
particular person who actually didn't

1001
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,079
show up for anything and was still

1002
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:30,240
getting the same no they showed up for

1003
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:31,720
if you don't mind they showed up for one

1004
00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:33,920
day they didn't show up for the day that

1005
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,200
they were reviewing and then they showed

1006
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,359
up for deliberation but still got the

1007
00:47:37,359 --> 00:47:39,240
full salary of everyone who had been

1008
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:41,480
there the entire time not salary but

1009
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,440
stien that's what she that would be

1010
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,200
outside that would be outside of the

1011
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,160
budget process that's something else

1012
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,040
that the council can

1013
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:54,000
address I'm happy to just move on yeah we did ask we did ask for

1014
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,960
recommendation to come back to us email

1015
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,440
get us involved let's see what the

1016
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,680
narrative is to to move it forward and

1017
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,200
to make necessary changes so that he can

1018
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:06,040
better us s of theem office but I do

1019
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,319
have one thing because the document that

1020
00:48:08,319 --> 00:48:11,040
was given to us today there's zero on

1021
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,839
this for the

1022
00:48:13,839 --> 00:48:17,119
bar the bar is 16,000 no on this

1023
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:18,720
document we got today there's no nothing

1024
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:20,079
in

1025
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:24,630
there but the changes that we

1026
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,790
request

1027
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,800
it's right at the bottom is peace for

1028
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,839
service assessment riew about

1029
00:48:32,839 --> 00:48:36,440
now from her she

1030
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,839
probably because she wanted

1031
00:48:38,839 --> 00:48:40,480
to

1032
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:48,119
okay that was from her oh okay so m i mean the uh the assessor's

1033
00:48:48,119 --> 00:48:51,040
office gave you this yes okay thank

1034
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,559
you all right so we'll follow the that

1035
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:57,000
make sure that we

1036
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,680
that Mr I got it but we're leaving it as

1037
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,079
it is currently in terms of in the

1038
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:05,520
budget this the amount okay thank you

1039
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,920
and then the next one is a1430 D100

1040
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,559
payroll

1041
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:13,240
manager raise salary to 60,000 from

1042
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:16,720
56,000 261 so slightly higher than the

1043
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:19,440
personal benefit clar that was that the

1044
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,510
position

1045
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,839
supervis that was something that um Miss

1046
00:49:25,839 --> 00:49:29,190
was recommending I

1047
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,880
believe open for question oh that was U

1048
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,960
Miss Miss uh yeah yeah

1049
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,440
okay oh okay because this is the one

1050
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,200
where the person is supervising somebody

1051
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,920
to make slightly more money than

1052
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,880
man I would have support

1053
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,160
that what's that I would support that

1054
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:54,119
okay is this person CA she's the manager

1055
00:49:54,119 --> 00:49:57,670
the other man okay the

1056
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,559
management management

1057
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:06,119
so make so in 56 265 it would

1058
00:50:06,119 --> 00:50:11,040
be 37 35 60 the

1059
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,599
addition the

1060
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:17,079
additional the payroll manager

1061
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:20,829
y all

1062
00:50:20,839 --> 00:50:24,000
right are we good with that M okay the

1063
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,720
next one is a144

1064
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:30,799
1-100 how much to add an ipf 3 per part

1065
00:50:30,799 --> 00:50:35,200
time that's 40,3

1066
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,640
hour 40,000 let me just see what my note

1067
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,640
was and why I even said that oh

1068
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:48,190
so Mr Wen must have suggested

1069
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,720
that had somebody I wrote need

1070
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:57,000
ips3 up to better position in

1071
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,480
C oh she went to utilties that way they

1072
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,319
no no she went to cies oh oh that's

1073
00:51:03,319 --> 00:51:07,359
right so in that particular instance how

1074
00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:11,440
is that kind of so there's no

1075
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,760
administrative support in that office

1076
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,720
yeah they have IPS for uh what's her

1077
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:21,440
name the person not IP or and uh you see

1078
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,720
they also have an IPS uh the IPS uh

1079
00:51:25,720 --> 00:51:28,839
three in there

1080
00:51:28,839 --> 00:51:30,520
1440

1081
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,640
ex yeah that's the same thing public

1082
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,720
okay State Department then I'll take

1083
00:51:35,720 --> 00:51:38,680
away my I'll take away my

1084
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,920
suggestion so both they're both

1085
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,520
okay so you taking that off I can I'm

1086
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:46,839
okay taking it off yeah there are two

1087
00:51:46,839 --> 00:51:48,599
position there one is a three and one is

1088
00:51:48,599 --> 00:51:51,559
a four no

1089
00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:53,640
ask and then the other one we already

1090
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,359
discussed but that was the the confusion

1091
00:51:56,359 --> 00:51:58,400
that we had if you don't mind if I keep

1092
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,200
going yeah yeah so the other one was

1093
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,480
changing it from mayor recruitment funds

1094
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:04,920
just to recruitment funds because that

1095
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,839
question came up the other day just it's

1096
00:52:06,839 --> 00:52:10,319
just a change on the

1097
00:52:10,319 --> 00:52:14,079
wording he copied and

1098
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:17,160
paste so I don't I mean it's no money

1099
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:18,920
difference it's just that um people

1100
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,920
wereused because about that but it's not

1101
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,599
just to recruit for the mayor's office

1102
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:26,760
it's to recruit in

1103
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,680
general yeah I I don't think we ever use

1104
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,839
this but we never Ed it one attempt to

1105
00:52:31,839 --> 00:52:34,839
use it on the individual just walk away

1106
00:52:34,839 --> 00:52:37,240
if you can recall yeah it was it was put

1107
00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:38,920
in there just for a cushion to the May

1108
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,920
during the co that people weren't

1109
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,599
seeking job an incentive there I think

1110
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:45,920
that is when we know people are applying

1111
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,520
they're coming forward applying for

1112
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,880
jobs money I was just saying let's just

1113
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,040
change the line

1114
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,920
future it was

1115
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,520
that part it was more of a need at that

1116
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,119
time rather than now it's not much much

1117
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:04,799
of a need now to to for this

1118
00:53:04,799 --> 00:53:07,720
line um we already did senior

1119
00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:10,040
centers and then I already mentioned

1120
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,319
what I felt about the outside Council

1121
00:53:12,319 --> 00:53:15,240
for civilian police review

1122
00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:19,440
board and oh yeah this is the one where

1123
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,240
C I think we addressed that

1124
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:30,090
81211 121 yeah yeah we

1125
00:53:30,100 --> 00:53:43,200
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1126
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,559
121 oh we're going back that us went up

1127
00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:46,480
to 6

1128
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,000
to5 this I think didn't we say let's

1129
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,359
check that because it went from 58 416

1130
00:53:51,359 --> 00:53:53,119
to

1131
00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:56,160
79 we the corre

1132
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,160
I just explain how sorry I didn't see

1133
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,640
the corre sorry CTV operator oh that's

1134
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:07,839
on the other sheet okay umed 8120 d121

1135
00:54:07,839 --> 00:54:12,240
65 so it was um in 2023 it was5 96

1136
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:14,520
416 and then it was brought to us for

1137
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,440
70,000 but then it went down okay I got

1138
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:18,880
it to 65

1139
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:22,280
968 okay thank you I think that is the

1140
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:26,559
question ask by

1141
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:32,789
okay thank

1142
00:54:32,799 --> 00:54:36,430
you we're

1143
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:41,079
good all right I don't over Health

1144
00:54:41,079 --> 00:54:44,040
numbers yeah

1145
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:51,079
um asking just go back show the benefit

1146
00:54:51,079 --> 00:54:52,880
the Healthcare

1147
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,240
numbers and also add to that the last

1148
00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:59,480
year we did receive a reate of 500,000

1149
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,160
excuse me last year so where is that in

1150
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,400
this proposed budget in the proposed

1151
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,200
budget yes the

1152
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,880
$500,000 rebate are we not receiving any

1153
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,680
rebate this uh we hope we receive rebate

1154
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,599
uh what we do is usually put that the

1155
00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:16,200
rebate we usually get is from uh from

1156
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,079
Pharmacy yes we us we what we usually do

1157
00:55:19,079 --> 00:55:22,280
from the pharmacy is the

1158
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,480
uh I believe we just uh where is it last

1159
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:30,589
year we did receive receive a budget of

1160
00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:34,440
500,000 or I mean this year excuse me

1161
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,599
this year what was your budgeted amount

1162
00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:39,400
for 2023 for what

1163
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:48,549
rebate hold on from the

1164
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:53,990
pharmacy no that will be all the way

1165
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,680
to

1166
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,559
yeah was in near the back

1167
00:55:58,559 --> 00:56:06,630
right employ employes

1168
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:16,850
Ben page page

1169
00:56:16,860 --> 00:56:23,910
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1170
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,119
4 is it the Medicare reimbursement right

1171
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:33,630
here no that's something

1172
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,200
else I think this is the pharmacy proact

1173
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,599
rebate right yeah I don't I don't see

1174
00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:41,880
here it should we usually do with that

1175
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,920
though too we usually try to lower what

1176
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,960
our payouts going to be when we get that

1177
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,480
yeah but in our it's not

1178
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,799
reced I have to find out can you WR that

1179
00:56:51,799 --> 00:56:54,039
down yeah I take a look yeah yeah but

1180
00:56:54,039 --> 00:56:57,280
that's that's uh Elizabeth takes care of

1181
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,240
that so was the in other words are you

1182
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:03,799
saying that that was in 2023 or that is

1183
00:57:03,799 --> 00:57:06,400
yes yes so what we do is I had to I

1184
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:10,680
hired a group to audit our our things

1185
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:12,880
and one of the things that we're getting

1186
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,559
is to make sure that they give us the

1187
00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:17,839
full benefits that we paying for it and

1188
00:57:17,839 --> 00:57:21,200
that's how we got the rebate it's it's a

1189
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,400
reat that it will receive and it's

1190
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:29,599
attached the the proact if I'm proact um

1191
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:31,640
the pharmacy so my question is though is

1192
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,640
that a guaranteed rebate in 2024 I mean

1193
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,839
in other words that's SEC yeah so that's

1194
00:57:37,839 --> 00:57:39,680
why it's not in the budget yeah that's

1195
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:40,920
well see what I mean we had it on the

1196
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,160
budget for 2023 it's not I don't see I

1197
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,430
don't see here is

1198
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,960
a is it on the revenue still want count

1199
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:53,789
on something

1200
00:57:53,799 --> 00:57:55,359
$500,000

1201
00:57:55,359 --> 00:58:07,470
I think it would be in

1202
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:11,039
Revenue 8268 you're talking about is

1203
00:58:11,039 --> 00:58:13,720
that rebates what is it I'm sorry so

1204
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,280
Revenue you're talking about

1205
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,839
8 is that the

1206
00:58:19,839 --> 00:58:23,319
proa I think it's proact and our what's

1207
00:58:23,319 --> 00:58:28,119
the other one huh Canon no stop L it's

1208
00:58:28,119 --> 00:58:30,400
um a

1209
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:40,829
2680 B

1210
00:58:40,839 --> 00:58:43,319
26

1211
00:58:43,319 --> 00:58:46,599
recoveries oh Insurance recoveries yeah

1212
00:58:46,599 --> 00:58:47,599
good

1213
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:52,000
gotcha ah so 268d I see it yeah line is

1214
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,319
a rebate line that's a it's a rebate

1215
00:58:54,319 --> 00:58:56,559
line yes

1216
00:58:56,559 --> 00:58:59,720
and we don't use it as in the as a

1217
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,119
revenue we don't put in as an

1218
00:59:02,119 --> 00:59:05,520
expense you know we put it as a but what

1219
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,079
if you don't get

1220
00:59:07,079 --> 00:59:11,190
it we're sh for

1221
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,200
no in

1222
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,480
myal life I wouldn't let anybody put let

1223
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,520
me put grants in yeah what happen if

1224
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,559
people don't pay their taxes you know

1225
00:59:19,559 --> 00:59:23,069
well that's

1226
00:59:23,079 --> 00:59:25,200
true so that's just something that they

1227
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,839
do every year possibly

1228
00:59:28,839 --> 00:59:32,039
was we have a couple of things we have

1229
00:59:32,039 --> 00:59:37,160
the the stop loss rebate and the that's

1230
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:41,470
good we pay a lot of

1231
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,640
M on the on the healthare part I mean I

1232
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,319
have no say you're saying it's going up

1233
00:59:46,319 --> 00:59:50,559
by 14% higher but across of standard um

1234
00:59:50,559 --> 00:59:52,280
across the board is going up like 6 to

1235
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,200
8% what is the difference with your 4 4%

1236
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:59,440
going up horses the 68% across I I I

1237
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:03,440
felt that 14% the way we've been really

1238
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,200
working the last few years we we're

1239
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:09,119
probably between 6% and I felt I didn't

1240
01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:11,559
want to raise the budget 14% where I

1241
01:00:11,559 --> 01:00:14,119
thought we can get away with ses that's

1242
01:00:14,119 --> 01:00:16,720
what our our cumulative basis you know

1243
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,280
what I mean last year I think you were

1244
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,480
at six around that per last year you

1245
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:28,069
were 6% so 14% higher is

1246
01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:32,400
here some the trends where during Co is

1247
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,880
we're self-insured paying what the

1248
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:38,240
actual uh usage

1249
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,760
is people weren't going to the doctor as

1250
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:42,640
much people deferred procedures and

1251
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:46,240
other things so the costs went down now

1252
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,240
all those things that were

1253
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,720
deferred are starting to catch up with

1254
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,039
people so you're

1255
01:00:53,039 --> 01:00:56,160
seeing just a high utilization is that

1256
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,079
true y plus you got to remember too

1257
01:00:59,079 --> 01:01:01,400
we're also hiring more people too more

1258
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,839
families and uh you know there one one

1259
01:01:03,839 --> 01:01:06,160
thing too you're hiring police and fire

1260
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,799
and they're retiring at a young age so

1261
01:01:08,799 --> 01:01:11,760
what happens so for every every uh you

1262
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,319
know uh person who retires a family you

1263
01:01:14,319 --> 01:01:16,000
got four guys on it you're not getting

1264
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,960
rid of four people because they're under they're under 65 you're

1265
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,240
still paying for them so you're adding

1266
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,280
another one so as as people retired it's

1267
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,839
not the number goes down it goes up

1268
01:01:26,839 --> 01:01:29,400
because plus especially for Public

1269
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,960
Service Plus these these the health

1270
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,640
insurance benefits I mean don't you get

1271
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:35,280
that from our

1272
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,000
analyst you have you have an analyst

1273
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,680
that makes these recommendations for

1274
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:44,280
right yeah yeah you got the the thing I

1275
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,960
it all