[0:00] Aon and and all the other um
[0:03] technological advances one of the things
[0:05] that was said time and time again was
[0:06] that this would give officers more time
[0:08] on the street and reduce Aon and and all
[0:11] the other um doing come back into the
[0:14] station do a lot of things so therefore
[0:16] not kicking into overtime I remember
[0:18] that being part of the discussion those
[0:24] discussions go ahead um so uh just to
[0:28] say that yes they're having more
[0:30] officers and may also explain that from
[0:32] the time some you know uh recruits start
[0:35] their program it's about a year so I
[0:37] don't know how many recruits he'll have
[0:39] starting in May and he did mention that
[0:40] they lose a lot of folks as soon as they
[0:42] go through training so we we can't
[0:44] automatically assume that there's
[0:45] there'll be enough officers coming on in
[0:47] May or a year from the next recruitment
[0:50] class so um I definitely would not want
[0:53] to put myself in the entire city at Bay
[0:55] by not allowing you additional overtime
[0:58] uh
[1:00] I agree go ahead please right I think
[1:03] it's important to make like two
[1:04] distinctions uh one proposing a budget
[1:07] and all shapes and facets doesn't mean
[1:10] that it's a guaranteed ask I think we
[1:12] had the same conversation last year
[1:14] we're looking at this recommended uh
[1:16] amount is a significant increase to the
[1:19] 2023 adopted budget uh I think Chief
[1:22] Cliff has been apparent as saying that
[1:24] the community is not at Jeopardy and I
[1:26] think it is also important to note that
[1:28] the Investments that were making
[1:30] and uh some of the antiviolence programs
[1:33] I think at some point those are going to
[1:35] need to either assist but curving and
[1:38] addressing some of the um preventative uh mechanisms that are
[1:43] providing individuals helpess to use
[1:46] violence um but also I do agree with
[1:48] Miss pter that investments in technology
[1:51] uh to cheap CLP this point has yielded
[1:53] improvements um so I think increasing it
[1:56] beyond the adopted to 2023 budget is a
[2:00] consideration I'm willing to make and
[2:02] then uh confidently uh seeking out that
[2:05] these eight individuals that are going
[2:06] to graduate from the academy in May 2024
[2:09] and the continued efforts of not only
[2:10] the police department but also our uh
[2:13] Community programs to invest in
[2:15] community policing that supports the
[2:17] entire community of be uh taking up this uh not fight um but this stance of
[2:25] how do we address and make sure that our
[2:27] public is safe I think that is a
[2:28] comfortable number
[2:32] I do want to point out that we spent
[2:35] almost 25 uh 2.5 million in um 2022 so
[2:41] already the 2023 budget was like a
[2:44] million dollars less and um I I'm sorry
[2:48] I didn't bring my what what have we
[2:49] spent so far our year to date is 1.8
[2:52] million 1.8 million at 18 1.84 Z 577 so
[2:58] we have about I don't know
[3:00] like
[3:01] 150,000 um to remain for the rest of
[3:05] 2023 because right now they were 25
[3:08] people short on the street so I don't
[3:11] know I mean I think that was the
[3:13] justification and I hear you know the
[3:16] technology piece I think will help
[3:19] moving forward but I still think that
[3:20] that's still pretty new as well in terms
[3:22] of being um
[3:26] operational so I think it's going to
[3:29] take some time to see the you know
[3:31] hopeful hopeful um outcome that we are
[3:35] anticipating with that as
[3:37] well so where need to get our 25 from
[3:41] where did I get the
[3:43] 22481 349 is what we spent in 201 no no you're saying that were 13 24 people
[3:51] vaces 12 in training and 25 people short
[3:54] on the street is what they said the
[3:56] other evening when they came and
[3:57] presented it is from n in May yep
[4:05] unless I wrote it down wrong but that's
[4:07] what I 13 VY 12 in training eight is
[4:10] going on in me that's
[4:13] what yeah maybe I wrote it down anybody
[4:18] else
[4:20] okay I had a question on
[4:23] this then we'll move
[4:26] into we'll move into a31
[4:31] 232 and there is a proposal here to
[4:35] increase on the 2023 of time line by
[4:40] 105,000 to bring that line to the 2024
[4:44] line to 880,000
[4:52] currently the line the
[4:54] propos
[4:58] 990,000
[5:01] [Music]
[5:03] again I mean look at what we spent in
[5:05] 2022 1259 893 so
[5:10] um you know not in 2023 2022 2022 I'm
[5:16] just looking and I'm I'm looking at our
[5:18] year to date right now it's
[5:21] 86399 so it's it I guess I'm guessing
[5:25] with the crime going down and all the
[5:27] technology that's added you can see that
[5:29] we're not not we're not quite even at
[5:31] what we're out we're considering
[5:33] allocating for
[5:36] 2024 the year dat please me so
[5:39] technology is really not going to help
[5:41] too much in the investigation piece
[5:43] because you get a murder or something
[5:45] you have just look at the public murders
[5:48] that we had that's where all the extra
[5:51] costs are uh it's just Manpower and just
[5:54] trudging through it that's where the
[5:56] expenses
[5:58] are
[6:00] go ahead please I would just disree only
[6:02] for an instance that everything
[6:03] generates paperwork and my time um I
[6:06] need to go more recently I think saving
[6:08] that time is also cost saving as
[6:15] well just a process question so when we
[6:17] get through all of these things we're
[6:19] going to go back and make final
[6:21] decisions right we're not these are not
[6:22] our fin yeah I'm running this through
[6:26] discussion okay then we'll go back and
[6:29] um just move quickly through them if we
[6:32] are for or against it yeah any other
[6:36] question on
[6:40] this see now we move to a342
[6:47] d112 and this is the Five Fighter it ask
[6:50] is increase over the 2023 over timeline
[6:53] by
[6:54] 209,000 and to bring the 2024 proposed
[6:58] line so a mill
[7:02] 70,000 so cutting 500,000 from the
[7:05] request right it was
[7:15] [Music]
[7:23] 1.57 open for
[7:27] questions um is I'll offer the year I'm
[7:30] sorry I'll offer the year to date which
[7:32] is
[7:35] 75458 754 I'm sorry
[7:39] 586 93 cents I think that went
[7:42] up we were 740 when we talked about it
[7:46] last time yeah so that's how much it
[7:48] went up just since
[7:50] 74
[7:54] 14,000 that print out was come October
[7:57] 4th y
[8:02] question go ahead please if I'm not
[8:04] looking at you please call
[8:06] me my head in here trying to make notes
[8:09] also I would say I absolutely hear the
[8:11] statements from my colleagues uh but I
[8:13] would say if your stance is that over
[8:15] time is needed then I think my response
[8:17] would be then what are the benefits of
[8:19] having us continually fund Public Safety
[8:21] Foundation
[8:22] efforts well I have to say that the
[8:25] public safety Foundation efforts are
[8:27] compl it's like comparing apples and or
[8:30] the reason that we have the public
[8:31] safety foundations is so that the
[8:33] officers can be out there at community
[8:35] events like common Unity
[8:37] or I'd have to go back and look at other
[8:40] events but I think those are it's it's
[8:42] like having
[8:46] um this this is Public Safety I mean in
[8:49] terms of fire and police to have the
[8:51] overtime because we need it right now
[8:53] we're you obviously using it in terms of
[8:55] getting folks out there on the street
[8:58] whether they're fighting fires or
[9:00] fighting crime versus um I think it's 25
[9:04] for each right $50,000 total for the
[9:07] police and the
[9:08] fire it's getting like they're going to
[9:12] family fund day at Stein Park and giving
[9:14] out stuff or or Scare activity this
[9:17] weekend um you know what I mean it's
[9:20] like a it's like having opportunities
[9:22] for our firefighters and our police to
[9:26] be interacting in an informal way pay
[9:29] with the community versus for
[9:32] $50,000
[9:33] versus them doing the work of Public
[9:38] Safety um so that's the difference I see
[9:42] go ahead please I would say the times
[9:44] that I've seen the fir fires out in the
[9:46] public they're handing out pamphlets and
[9:47] brochures that are promoting best safe
[9:50] practices to decrease of fires in homes
[9:52] uh so I think these types of efforts are
[9:54] very important and I think uh very vital
[9:57] to not only addressing households in
[9:59] general um but also uh to making sure
[10:02] that we're addressing these concerns
[10:03] with people at their infantile stages so
[10:06] that kids grow up with this
[10:07] understanding and naturally incorporate
[10:08] it into their lives but I I imagine that
[10:10] they're having these types of
[10:11] conversations I don't think that they're
[10:13] just talking about how cooler uniforms
[10:15] look you no but are you suggesting that
[10:17] we cut the 55 the 25 and the 25 I'm
[10:20] saying that these I'm saying these types
[10:22] of efforts have an impact on our
[10:24] community totally great oh no totally
[10:26] but I'm saying specifically with respect
[10:28] to improving Public Safety so I'm saying
[10:32] these types of Investments that we're
[10:33] making should have cost savings overall
[10:36] in
[10:37] overtime not on their own but
[10:39] cumulatively and I'm wrapping in the
[10:41] technological technological Investments
[10:42] we're making also and the fact that we
[10:44] are bring in more officer or not in
[10:47] respect to the Fire Department chief uh
[10:49] Chief Marino is reevaluating how to make
[10:51] sure that he is increasing his Staffing
[10:53] level by thinking of a revolutionary
[10:55] concept of now hiring EMTs and training
[10:57] them I think these typ Investments are
[10:59] going to allow us to find cost savings I totally agree with what you just said
[11:04] but I think it it's going to take some
[11:06] time for those things to happen and so I
[11:08] think we're in agreement that the 25 and
[11:10] the 25 obviously are adding to
[11:14] the safety issues I don't disagree with
[11:18] you there but I still think that boots
[11:19] on the ground um fighting fires and
[11:22] fighting crime um has to happen and I
[11:26] also agree with you that I thought you
[11:27] know they're both trying to have as many
[11:30] creative ways to increase recruitment I
[11:33] mean clearly unfortunately um some of
[11:37] the negative things that have happened
[11:38] over the last few years have have um
[11:42] placed a stigma on people not applying
[11:44] to be police officers for example um I
[11:47] think it's different with the
[11:48] firefighters but I guess you know from
[11:50] talking with Chief Marino there's been a
[11:53] reduction in the number of people that
[11:54] want to go into firefighting as well um
[11:57] so I just think I hear what you're
[12:00] saying but I think going into a
[12:02] classroom of third graders and teaching
[12:04] them about fire safety is really
[12:06] important and is something that probably
[12:08] has been happening even all our lives
[12:09] right um but I think having still the
[12:13] amount of funding that they need and
[12:15] that they're requesting to go out and do
[12:17] their jobs I think in the immediate as
[12:20] opposed to when that third grader you
[12:23] know hopefully is owning a house and
[12:26] trying their best to prevent fires
[12:29] um you know no I I I can speak on this
[12:33] one because it was a recommendation for
[12:35] me and we were putting $50,000 towards
[12:38] Public Safety Foundation under the
[12:39] police and was May as a um contribution
[12:42] to say let split it between the two
[12:44] Department 25 years to get them involved
[12:47] in the community so that they can bridge
[12:49] that Gap you know that stigma that is
[12:51] happening interact with the community to
[12:52] get them more involved let's hear what's
[12:54] happening over there and I think they're
[12:55] doing a good job prr we just need to
[12:58] expand a little bit more provide more
[13:00] support to them maybe consider next year
[13:02] to increase it so you know saw a good
[13:05] thing happening there the interaction is
[13:07] very important to building bridges in
[13:09] our community I
[13:12] agree go ahead please again I'm just
[13:14] always going to bring forward that you
[13:16] know I'm keeping track of what we're
[13:17] spending year to date and based on that
[13:19] I I you know I think that I'm
[13:21] comfortable with with this uh it looks
[13:23] like they're having the ability to cut
[13:26] down on their overtime um from years
[13:29] past versus this year so I think that's
[13:33] how that's how one of the reasons we
[13:35] have to look at this as we improve the
[13:37] technology as we have more firefighters
[13:39] as as they get grants from other places
[13:41] and specifically when I say that I want
[13:43] to talk about I mean the police
[13:44] department because they're applying and
[13:46] as you know they come before us multiple
[13:49] times um with grants that they get and
[13:52] those grants also supplement existing
[13:54] staff it's just not for bullets and
[13:57] holsters and things like that some of
[13:59] the grants like if they need Personnel
[14:01] to do specific things they're paid for
[14:03] out of the grant as
[14:08] well any other
[14:11] questions okay so you now move on to um
[14:13] A36
[14:15] 14-404 police review board and the
[14:19] recommendation
[14:21] here recommendation here is to increase
[14:23] the fees for service line by
[14:27] 10,000 and and to reduce the outside
[14:31] legal council by
[14:34] 10,000 that is just a movement
[14:38] there goad please again I think the
[14:40] 5,000 covers what they need in terms of
[14:42] their professional development and their
[14:44] membership fee in um n nle and the
[14:48] conference I guess the conference is
[14:51] like 3,000 or something and the
[14:53] membership but I would do away again
[14:56] with the 25,000 um in outside um I don't think they need the
[15:02] outside
[15:03] councel go ahead please um so I I I have
[15:07] to say that I think that the training
[15:08] right now if a training cost $3,000 with
[15:10] $5,000 they couldn't even send two
[15:12] people and I don't really think it's as
[15:14] beneficial for just one person to go and
[15:16] to bring back the information that more
[15:18] than one person should have the
[15:20] opportunity to attend the training if
[15:22] for some reason that person leaves the
[15:23] board or whatever the case may be so I
[15:26] think beneficially uh for for this
[15:29] particular review board if we're
[15:30] especially if we're going to kind of
[15:32] keep up with what's going on in terms of
[15:34] um review boards and having them
[15:37] exchange information with people who do
[15:39] similar things around the country I
[15:40] think it's important that we send more
[15:41] than one person to a training if
[15:43] possible so um I would support having
[15:46] enough money for at least uh two people
[15:48] go I know at one point they had and then
[15:50] we have to pay to be Parton they call
[15:52] and at one point they decided they
[15:54] didn't want to be but AR are yeah they
[15:56] are um our ordinance clearly says that
[15:59] you have to be yeah so there's that
[16:01] payment and then you know people go in
[16:03] the training and like this time maybe
[16:05] it's 3,000 one only one person could go
[16:07] so I I would suggest that we keep we put
[16:10] enough money in to allow people to go
[16:11] training if we really want the best
[16:13] training for our board members some
[16:16] boards pay people to be on them and this
[16:18] one doesn't so they're volunteers this
[16:20] is an opportunity for them to increase
[16:22] their skill set in terms of serving as
[16:24] volunteers so we could reduce the coun
[16:27] outside Council I do have a question and
[16:29] I think does someone from your office
[16:31] now go to those um we go as needed um
[16:35] I've been in communication with the
[16:37] police department staff who have those
[16:40] meetings um and if they feel or the
[16:44] chairperson from cprb fields that is
[16:47] needed for somebody from my office to
[16:48] attend that will attend it hasn't come
[16:52] up um there were the only questions that
[16:54] have ever come up um had to do with
[16:57] somebody's ability on the board um for
[17:00] questions about that that was early on I
[17:02] think maybe in maybe the end of last
[17:06] year uh beginning of this year but
[17:09] nothing has aisen
[17:15] since go ahead please I could just talk
[17:17] on the outside Council again there's
[17:20] money in the law department for outside
[17:25] Council we bring in attorneys as needed
[17:28] so if a scenario came up where there's a
[17:31] conflicted position where city council
[17:35] needed separate representation or
[17:37] somebody on one of the boards or
[17:39] commission needed outside
[17:42] representation there's money for that
[17:44] and we try and again leverage stuff with
[17:48] uh membership with New York Conference
[17:50] of Mayors provides uh guidance and
[17:57] uh
[17:59] case law different things the AG's
[18:02] office sometimes will assist local
[18:04] government and things so that that money
[18:07] that's in the Council budget now I
[18:11] didn't use it this year I don't see
[18:14] scenario we're going to use it in the
[18:16] future that we haven't used it in the
[18:18] last 10 and some years but if you needed
[18:22] something there is money in the budget
[18:25] that's proposed and so if you want to
[18:28] that or look at
[18:30] that that would be the appropriate way
[18:32] to deal
[18:34] with please so I thought the reason why
[18:37] we created a separate line is because
[18:39] it' be easier for accounting purposes if
[18:41] that's not right I'd be open to
[18:45] May that was part of
[18:47] it I can comment on
[18:49] that e the mayor had to say I know this
[18:53] I'm G to Echo what the mayor had to say
[18:54] on this um I know this came up last year
[18:57] um
[18:58] as you know as you all know um the city
[19:02] council hasn't used outside Council this
[19:04] past year U cprb hasn't there's a budget
[19:07] line obviously for um the law department
[19:11] for outside Council and we use that
[19:14] outside Council whether it is it's
[19:17] usually it's a no not usually it's a
[19:19] determination made by the law department
[19:21] on whether or not we have the capacity
[19:23] or to to handle a particular legal
[19:25] situation or uh whether there's some
[19:28] type of conflict uh in which um it would
[19:32] be better best for it to be handled by
[19:34] outside
[19:35] Council that you know seldom happens uh
[19:40] in terms of a conflict um but that's not
[19:42] to say that it couldn't happen um and we
[19:45] would obviously have to make the
[19:46] professional
[19:47] determination um to to say that we do
[19:51] have a conflict and refer to outside
[19:53] Council but we provide um outside
[19:56] Council for you know situations
[19:59] involving other departments in the city
[20:01] um where you know whether even if it's
[20:05] not our insurance company but something
[20:06] arises let's say hypothetically it's an
[20:09] article 78 because of some
[20:10] administrative decision made by the
[20:13] Planning Commission made by uh you know
[20:17] the chief building inspector made by you
[20:20] know some somebody else who has the
[20:22] authority to make an administrative
[20:24] decision um and at that point in time
[20:27] the Law Department feels that it does
[20:28] not have the capacity to handle that
[20:30] particular matter we would refer to
[20:32] outside Council it would be covered by
[20:34] our insurance um and in that situation
[20:37] it comes out of the law Department's
[20:39] budget is outside Council so for
[20:41] accounting purposes it's not
[20:42] distinguishable between the Departments
[20:45] it just comes out of the Law Department
[20:49] budget go ahead please and act me no no sorry don't um yeah because there's
[20:57] 100,000 Dollar in the
[21:00] 2024 um proposed budget for outside
[21:02] legal services in the legal department
[21:04] and you know it looks like that would
[21:07] cover
[21:09] um what we might
[21:12] need in terms of what we had spent year
[21:15] to date and that kind of thing so so I
[21:17] have the year to date of course I do um
[21:20] but there's like multiple lines here so
[21:22] is it just the fees for services is your
[21:24] is it your labor lawyer is it your
[21:26] litigation support is it all those
[21:28] things added up oh I was just looking at
[21:31] outside Legal Services no I'm talking
[21:34] about the year to date spread out she's
[21:36] looking at more detailed breakdown on
[21:38] the budget so Anthony can ah we need an
[21:42] actual yeah everybody has this we use
[21:44] outside Council for certain certain
[21:47] things that we do right um you know we
[21:51] use a bankruptcy attorney um outside
[21:55] Council um Brian from specifically to
[21:59] handle matters where um you know usually
[22:04] it happens with tax issues right
[22:06] somebody files for
[22:08] bankruptcy our outside Council Brian ker
[22:10] interacts with my office and also the
[22:13] receiver of taxes to make sure that
[22:14] whomever is in bankruptcy is following
[22:17] their bankruptcy plan and is um which is
[22:20] payments you know on a Bas on a typical
[22:23] basis and he will then act um if
[22:25] somebody doesn't follow their plan to
[22:27] have a stay witht or have a bankruptcy
[22:29] dismiss um we try to use them
[22:31] strategically obviously when we're about
[22:33] to do a foreclosure um but he's still
[22:36] doing work throughout the year um we use
[22:39] outside Council dealing with certain
[22:41] labor issues um you know could
[22:45] be it could be a grievance it could be
[22:48] just um you know an issue with you know
[22:51] police officer firefighter whomever it
[22:53] may be we have to make a determination
[22:55] to use outside Council we're not using
[22:57] outside Council obviously willy-nilly um
[23:00] you know there are certain lines um for
[23:02] the labor attorney that we may use for
[23:05] that but um you know determination made
[23:08] and I I consult my office consults with
[23:10] Finance to determine um the best way to
[23:13] pay a particular attorney based on what
[23:15] they're doing for the city um you know I
[23:20] don't know exactly every single line
[23:22] that it gets paid out of um you know it
[23:25] I would say it varies based on the
[23:26] attorney and what the doing what
[23:28] services are provided um as you know you
[23:31] know we do our foreclosures in house but
[23:35] um unlike a lot of other municipalities
[23:37] but we still may use outside Council as
[23:39] I mentioned when it comes to
[23:40] foreclosures Brian ker because he's
[23:42] working on the payy
[23:44] part
[23:47] okay any other question on
[23:51] this see then we move
[23:54] [Applause]
[23:55] to A3
[24:01] 64-44 street department
[24:04] manager ask to just increase this so no
[24:09] I don't think the the thing is Right a
[24:13] oh sorry that's what you have on here 36 sorry yeah that's
[24:20] sorry a
[24:22] 510100 street department manager they
[24:25] ask us to bring this up to four% over
[24:28] the 2023 salary there's a narrative
[24:31] there and all of us had an opportunity
[24:33] to listen to Mr laan explaining all the
[24:37] work is being done
[24:41] currently the street department manager and this
[24:48] Salway supervisor is it the so removing
[24:52] the ideas to remove the director of
[24:54] Public Works key dist street department
[24:56] manager position right and move that to
[25:00] uh I think 104,000 so 52k in the street
[25:04] Administration I think and then 52 in
[25:06] the waste Administration right yeah but but when you first when it was first
[25:12] not you first but let me just have a
[25:15] note when I it was first brought
[25:18] forward it
[25:22] was it was changing a title
[25:25] right that's correct yes first they make
[25:29] it the same title for both and
[25:32] increasing it from 45 to 52 for both
[25:35] because the guy is going to be saving us
[25:36] about 80
[25:40] grand the same guy being both JG is that
[25:43] correct that's
[25:45] [Music]
[25:47] going so 52 from one line and 52 from
[25:50] the other yes that's correct but when
[25:54] the when we first were um given the
[25:56] budget it was this title it was you they
[25:59] changed the title to director of public
[26:00] works right and the proposed salary at
[26:04] half of the proposed salary was
[26:07] 4,968 not 52 well that's Paul came back
[26:11] to increase it if you here that day
[26:12] right
[26:14] 52 okay and and because there's be a
[26:17] savings of 88,000 it's going to be one
[26:19] guy do both the jobs the director of
[26:22] Public Works and he wants to change that
[26:24] to Street manager also so we wouldn't
[26:27] have that
[26:28] 884 see that 88 339 we didn't it's not
[26:32] being uh not being uh brought over a
[26:37] budgeted
[26:38] 2024 the 88400 8 but that was the
[26:42] adopted um bud in 2023 correct but then
[26:47] by creating the director of Public Works
[26:49] it was split
[26:52] 45968 each with yeah which was a 4%
[26:56] moving the individual back so street
[26:58] department manager but you're pumping it
[27:00] by seven almost
[27:02] 7,000 under each department follow the
[27:04] fund
[27:07] request so where is what is the
[27:10] additional P duties oh I'm sorry page 33
[27:15] additional is going to take over race
[27:21] Administration is this civil service or
[27:23] is this going to be management Street street department
[27:28] manager a management
[27:29] position here it
[27:35] is so what's the increase like
[27:38] 14%
[27:40] okay say
[27:49] 88,000 any other question on
[27:55] this find the other one no did not but I
[27:58] found waste but I just didn't find that
[28:02] 81600 it was the director of Public
[28:05] Works they change it to Street manager
[28:07] and they gone from 45 yeah they're not
[28:10] doing 68 to 52,000 they're not filling
[28:12] director of solid waste and now they're
[28:14] not doing director Solway taking out the
[28:17] 88,000 yep I got it I see
[28:22] it so so actually his Department went
[28:24] down overall gu over
[28:29] total budget was down I believe
[28:33] 1.69% but that's what I wrot down so I
[28:38] mean I don't have the job descriptions
[28:39] in front of me
[28:40] but I guess I'm questioning how one
[28:43] person can do two full-time
[28:52] jobs manage it well manage it it's going
[28:56] to take ogs and waste
[28:59] [Music]
[29:01] in scheduling following
[29:04] up Paul believes that it can be
[29:08] done if you let him in here get them in
[29:12] to give you more detailed explanation in
[29:15] the
[29:18] work because I I mean I imagine once you
[29:20] get to this level it is a lot of work so
[29:22] I just like really wondering how that
[29:24] could happen it's a lot
[29:28] [Music]
[29:30] ogn waste water and water you know say
[29:36] City I don't know hundreds of thousands
[29:38] of dollars a year he did
[29:41] job he's got confidence in this
[29:49] yeah
[29:52] okay we can maybe we can just send the
[29:55] email so I mean we're I don't know we're
[29:58] at I guess we're at the point we're like
[30:00] making decisions tonight but that's my
[30:02] that would be my
[30:04] question all right any other question on
[30:07] this Mr far you going to make the the
[30:09] adjustment zero out um the director of
[30:11] Public Works and move that into street department yeah once we decide
[30:17] whatever we decide to move forward
[30:20] either
[30:21] way okay any other question on this the
[30:24] next item is um A51
[30:28] 2100 remove fleet
[30:31] manager and the Not There is assistant
[30:33] is doing a all the work doing budget
[30:35] hearing allward will be
[30:38] completed by the
[30:43] assistant open for
[30:51] question my note said that they're short
[30:54] staff
[30:56] but
[30:58] or
[30:59] just you want to get rid of the fleet
[31:05] manager it's not full it's not currently oh it's not there's
[31:09] no one in that
[31:12] position
[31:17] okay so was Mr lefon recommending
[31:20] getting rid of the fleet finish yes
[31:23] okay no he didn't recommend get written
[31:26] you recommended to add the position back
[31:29] this year we didn't have it last year
[31:31] yeah that's what I was gonna say we had
[31:32] it at one time um then we didn't have it
[31:37] and did you remember circumstances that
[31:40] this this the night guy I just realiz
[31:42] that's a different oh okay I just
[31:43] remember that when he was he said that
[31:46] this other person could do the job but
[31:47] if you want
[31:50] to pass the test so he went back there
[31:53] being assistant manag so he's been doing
[31:56] the assistant management job job and now
[31:59] Paul says he wants to bring somebody
[32:00] back in to help now and he just saved
[32:04] this 0,000 but we in our discussions I
[32:07] mean we can go back and look he did say
[32:08] that the other person was was handling
[32:10] all the job so he does it's a great Cas
[32:14] hard working okay all
[32:17] right yeah he did mention that he's
[32:20] asking to fill this position into 2024
[32:23] but at the same time he said the
[32:25] assistant he the assistant is doing all
[32:28] the work that is
[32:32] needed I'm
[32:37] sorry
[32:39] one thank
[32:43] you any other question on
[32:45] this if now we'll move to a 5132
[32:51] d121 discuss the motor equipment
[32:54] operator mechanic one
[32:57] and there are some notes there with some
[32:59] concern in terms of liability and having
[33:01] this person work is solo Shi by
[33:08] him so as you know I brought that
[33:11] because I I'm still concerned that a
[33:13] person would be in a garage by
[33:15] themselves all night and you know in the
[33:17] event that something happened so um I
[33:20] looked into it and there's no ocean
[33:21] requirement that that we cannot do that
[33:24] but again I have concerns for the safety
[33:26] of the indiv idual and for um the any
[33:29] liability on the part of the city should
[33:30] something happen so if if we're going to
[33:33] do it then I I really would think that
[33:36] we would want to um establish a work
[33:38] alone policy for when people are in the
[33:41] situation so there's some protocols put
[33:43] in place for somebody who works alone
[33:45] and should something happen there's ways
[33:46] to trigger things for someone to know
[33:48] that something's happened so um and if
[33:52] this is the same position also that
[33:54] they're they're getting this lift for
[33:56] this portable lift
[33:57] that even makes me more concerned but um
[34:00] because you know things happen in
[34:01] garages so um I understand our need for
[34:04] it however I just want to make sure that
[34:07] we have systems in place of these
[34:09] person's individually in a garage at
[34:11] Night by themselves um that we have
[34:14] something that's in place and I mean
[34:17] it's not up to me to decide um Staffing
[34:20] but even having somebody else rotate in
[34:22] would make me more comfortable but
[34:23] that's that's not my call but I just
[34:25] wanted to express my concern around
[34:30] that any other
[34:36] question see now we'll move on to
[34:38] [Music]
[34:39] a71
[34:43] 10-100 director of pars the ask is to
[34:46] increase that to 4% over the 2023 salary
[34:54] L Mr Mr Lo
[34:58] the director of pars right now makes
[35:00] 80,000 this is
[35:03] 4% let me see
[35:07] 87 was for 728 but he under the book for
[35:14] 8 so the 832 is the 4% 4%
[35:20] correct 80,000 even yes that's the
[35:25] salary
[35:29] well it's
[35:31] okay so it just didn't show when you
[35:33] hired him you brought him up to 80,000
[35:35] well again
[35:37] because the position was vacant rather
[35:40] than use the recruitment line we used
[35:43] money that was within the original
[35:46] appropriation but that was the salary
[35:48] that he wanted to be hired so I could
[35:51] have taken it out of the recruitment
[35:53] line and it just it makes the accounting
[35:56] work complicated it was just taking out
[35:58] of that L pay a little bit more that's
[36:00] what the budget reflects I submitted to
[36:03] you oh yeah well there's no way to know
[36:05] it because it looks like he was making
[36:06] 72 and then went up to like like
[36:09] $110,000 that's what it appears yeah
[36:12] that makes sense but it's but it's 4%
[36:14] cuz he's currently making 82 currently
[36:16] making 80 currently making 80
[36:20] okay any other discussion on
[36:23] this the next um is a81 161
[36:29] D100 why the 8 plus% increase for the
[36:33] assistance
[36:35] solid um any csca supervising uh
[36:39] supervising 1037 employees has to make
[36:43] $150 a week more so uh uh because of the
[36:48] big raises that 1037 got uh received
[36:51] they got to make $150 a week more than
[36:53] that so that $18 $150 a week
[36:57] 7,821 by itself so that's why youve got
[37:01] the big increase
[37:03] okay question
[37:10] this now we know contractual contractual
[37:17] correct all right moving on the next one
[37:19] is a
[37:21] 9089
[37:23] d840 employee Dr ask prod by 10,000 V is
[37:31] 3,900 the actual for
[37:35] 2967 for 2021 and
[37:38] 4,45 for
[37:42] 2022 open for
[37:46] discussion go ahead please so I I don't
[37:48] know if the numbers necessarily I'm just
[37:51] wondering are we not testing
[37:55] people because because I mean why why we
[37:58] we're not seeing this line
[38:02] spent uh some of was not testing some
[38:06] was co uh we're still deing with some of
[38:09] the issues with the changes in the
[38:12] marijuana
[38:15] regulations there is not I shouldn't
[38:23] say testing technology shifting where
[38:27] today some of the tests you can't
[38:30] tell uh how recent the use of marijuana
[38:35] is De can show for 30 days but really
[38:39] then individual wouldn't be repaired
[38:42] there are some tests that are supposedly
[38:44] coming on the market that would show
[38:49] the uh length of time from using it to
[38:54] the test for the level impaired so on
[38:58] that uh tell me if it was about
[39:02] $5,000 we could live within that but I
[39:05] would still want some
[39:07] money uh going forward for the next year
[39:10] to be able to uh just deal with the
[39:14] realities of the workforce and where we
[39:16] have to test whether it's new hiring or
[39:18] on the job
[39:21] incidents so you want to keep it at what
[39:24] 10 if we take if you want to take 5,000
[39:28] out of it like what was the original
[39:30] appropriation 15,000 15 so yeah if it
[39:33] stays at 10 and then revisit it again in
[39:37] a year to see where we are so reduce it
[39:39] to 10 not by 10 um and just who who does
[39:44] this apply to like who gets drug tested
[39:48] random there's random testing and then
[39:51] there's new hires who test different
[39:55] levels right because I also saw drug
[39:57] testing in the sewer department so those
[40:00] employees
[40:01] get there's a separate part of money for
[40:03] their drug
[40:04] testing for
[40:06] CD CD for the water and sewer funds are
[40:11] different funds yes so this is employees
[40:14] other than that I correct in this one be
[40:18] all a general fund
[40:25] okay
[40:27] so are we okay to keep that
[40:31] 10,000
[40:34] okay next item is um G
[40:37] 81201 121 CCTV operator I think this was
[40:43] Tyle I think you receive oh
[40:45] yeah did receive a a copy with an
[40:51] adjusted
[40:53] um
[40:55] amount
[40:58] [Music]
[41:00] yeah he went from 5846 2023 and 65,000
[41:05] 968 2024 that is due uh uh to the $3 an
[41:10] hour ra so $3 an hour time 40 hours is
[41:13] $120 a week time 5214 it's $
[41:18] 6,256 80 so 58 and uh 58 and 62 gives
[41:23] you 64,000 672 280 and then in 2024 you
[41:28] get and I have to add 2% to that
[41:31] contraction com 65 968 okay okay okay
[41:36] ready with if you look at the diagram
[41:38] thank you you will see it but I gu I
[41:41] know he gave us a print out too thank
[41:44] you cuz we need more
[41:47] people we'll skip this other two item
[41:49] and go over to the next page and then
[41:51] come
[41:52] back I think we did address this one
[41:55] here 8
[41:56] 55
[41:58] 100 that was for the real window I don't
[42:01] you did no this is a yes we did no
[42:05] that's for the City Assessor next one
[42:06] it's the next one 1356 404 Miss
[42:10] mroy um
[42:12] recommended right so we did a change in
[42:14] an increase let me go back to that page
[42:17] if you I think it was because the person
[42:19] is supervising somebody that's making
[42:21] more money or something yes but they
[42:23] gave us something that they increased it
[42:25] that was already done right
[42:26] well they increas it to 60,000 that's
[42:29] not increased
[42:30] in
[42:36] 1356 the 13551 100 we did Miss maoy She
[42:41] also asked the B for
[42:47] [Music]
[42:52] right oh
[42:55] it's I couldn't remember if it was the
[42:57] appraiser or the analyst I didn't write
[42:59] that down uh
[43:02] 54,000 is that what oh yeah because you
[43:05] can see right no so she asked an
[43:08] increase for uh the uh real property
[43:11] analyst from
[43:13] 53756 to
[43:15] 54,000 oh so it's like a couple hundred
[43:17] bucks yeah 200 and uh what was what was
[43:21] he ask what was he ask from the
[43:23] department head 54 54 as opposed to
[43:27] 53756 is it even is it even 54 yes cor
[43:32] yeah that's all she
[43:33] asked 200 more
[43:37] [Music]
[43:38] 244 I guess I must be wrong that that
[43:41] was she was more than person was
[43:44] supervising somebody but no she we
[43:46] didn't know what the figure was we had
[43:49] no I I'm writing it down but that's only
[43:51] a couple hundred
[43:53] bucks can anybody else remember I I
[43:56] thought I don't know for some reason if
[43:59] it's if if if it's only a couple hundred
[44:01] bucks then it's not going to bring them
[44:03] above because my understanding if I
[44:05] remember correctly is that she was um
[44:07] supervising the real property appraiser
[44:09] I believe it's the clerk ohing clerk makes way less than that yeah she
[44:15] just
[44:16] started so that doesn't work out then
[44:19] well anyway so Molly's s uh the assessor
[44:23] is suggesting 54 and
[44:28] original reest was 54 everyone every
[44:31] everyone should have that um yes
[44:34] original
[44:35] request oh sorry it's yeah we have it
[44:39] but there's just a lot
[44:43] of ah later that's what I'm looking
[44:47] for okay yep and then when you gave it
[44:50] today was the
[44:52] 54 actually the next one that I had
[44:58] 14
[45:00] um let's go let's
[45:05] go 1356 404 the assessment Board
[45:09] review oh that I think we had a
[45:13] discussion with um the assessor in
[45:16] regards to this um board
[45:19] attendance and M is not attending all
[45:21] the meetings and
[45:23] it's yes that was the one yeah yeah on
[45:27] the rest of the members it was so she
[45:30] was going to come back to us with a
[45:31] recommendation how we Chang the
[45:33] ordinance or legislation to address
[45:36] these concerns and I think all us with
[45:38] that to kind of work with her to address
[45:40] those concerns because this is not the
[45:42] first time that the board is finding
[45:46] some difficulties in their
[45:48] function Mr M go ahead
[45:51] please um so a couple things I thought
[45:53] that Mr colon said that that was
[45:54] something that we'd have to look at uh
[45:56] that you called about in terms of
[46:00] changing minute yes um this it would be
[46:04] outside of the budget process the budget
[46:06] is setting the numbers um you'd have to
[46:10] go and look at the I don't actually I
[46:12] don't believe that it's set in the um
[46:15] code I believe it was approved by
[46:17] resolution okay um so the council could
[46:20] obviously Set uh the fees that are paid
[46:23] to um the people on the important
[46:25] assessment review
[46:26] by resolution so maybe we leave it the
[46:31] way it is here and then moving forward
[46:34] into the
[46:35] year you know get that
[46:38] analysis and think about it for
[46:42] what yes I think that was discuss we
[46:45] have public
[46:47] here I I can talk to Miss Maly about it
[46:50] she I discussed it quite some time ago
[46:52] um and I don't know how many hours
[46:55] obviously the they put in um I imagine
[46:58] that you know she would have a better
[47:00] sense and the council would have a
[47:01] better sense May would have a better
[47:02] sense of whether or not if you went to
[47:05] you know some other type of payment
[47:06] arrangement let's say hourly um if
[47:10] $116,000 would um cover the hours that
[47:14] they put in I don't know those hours I
[47:17] I'm the the the concern I think that she
[47:20] had was that there was actually a
[47:23] particular person who actually didn't
[47:25] show up for anything and was still
[47:27] getting the same no they showed up for
[47:30] if you don't mind they showed up for one
[47:31] day they didn't show up for the day that
[47:33] they were reviewing and then they showed
[47:35] up for deliberation but still got the
[47:37] full salary of everyone who had been
[47:39] there the entire time not salary but
[47:41] stien that's what she that would be
[47:44] outside that would be outside of the
[47:46] budget process that's something else
[47:48] that the council can
[47:50] address I'm happy to just move on yeah we did ask we did ask for
[47:54] recommendation to come back to us email
[47:55] get us involved let's see what the
[47:57] narrative is to to move it forward and
[47:59] to make necessary changes so that he can
[48:02] better us s of theem office but I do
[48:06] have one thing because the document that
[48:08] was given to us today there's zero on
[48:11] this for the
[48:13] bar the bar is 16,000 no on this
[48:17] document we got today there's no nothing
[48:18] in
[48:20] there but the changes that we
[48:24] request
[48:27] it's right at the bottom is peace for
[48:29] service assessment riew about
[48:32] now from her she
[48:36] probably because she wanted
[48:38] to
[48:40] okay that was from her oh okay so m i mean the uh the assessor's
[48:48] office gave you this yes okay thank
[48:51] you all right so we'll follow the that
[48:54] make sure that we
[48:57] that Mr I got it but we're leaving it as
[49:00] it is currently in terms of in the
[49:02] budget this the amount okay thank you
[49:05] and then the next one is a1430 D100
[49:08] payroll
[49:10] manager raise salary to 60,000 from
[49:13] 56,000 261 so slightly higher than the
[49:16] personal benefit clar that was that the
[49:19] position
[49:22] supervis that was something that um Miss
[49:25] was recommending I
[49:29] believe open for question oh that was U
[49:31] Miss Miss uh yeah yeah
[49:35] okay oh okay because this is the one
[49:38] where the person is supervising somebody
[49:40] to make slightly more money than
[49:43] man I would have support
[49:46] that what's that I would support that
[49:50] okay is this person CA she's the manager
[49:54] the other man okay the
[49:57] management management
[50:00] so make so in 56 265 it would
[50:06] be 37 35 60 the
[50:11] addition the
[50:13] additional the payroll manager
[50:17] y all
[50:20] right are we good with that M okay the
[50:24] next one is a144
[50:26] 1-100 how much to add an ipf 3 per part
[50:30] time that's 40,3
[50:35] hour 40,000 let me just see what my note
[50:38] was and why I even said that oh
[50:42] so Mr Wen must have suggested
[50:48] that had somebody I wrote need
[50:52] ips3 up to better position in
[50:57] C oh she went to utilties that way they
[51:00] no no she went to cies oh oh that's
[51:03] right so in that particular instance how
[51:07] is that kind of so there's no
[51:11] administrative support in that office
[51:13] yeah they have IPS for uh what's her
[51:16] name the person not IP or and uh you see
[51:21] they also have an IPS uh the IPS uh
[51:25] three in there
[51:28] 1440
[51:30] ex yeah that's the same thing public
[51:33] okay State Department then I'll take
[51:35] away my I'll take away my
[51:38] suggestion so both they're both
[51:41] okay so you taking that off I can I'm
[51:45] okay taking it off yeah there are two
[51:46] position there one is a three and one is
[51:48] a four no
[51:51] ask and then the other one we already
[51:53] discussed but that was the the confusion
[51:56] that we had if you don't mind if I keep
[51:58] going yeah yeah so the other one was
[52:01] changing it from mayor recruitment funds
[52:03] just to recruitment funds because that
[52:04] question came up the other day just it's
[52:06] just a change on the
[52:10] wording he copied and
[52:14] paste so I don't I mean it's no money
[52:17] difference it's just that um people
[52:18] wereused because about that but it's not
[52:21] just to recruit for the mayor's office
[52:23] it's to recruit in
[52:26] general yeah I I don't think we ever use
[52:29] this but we never Ed it one attempt to
[52:31] use it on the individual just walk away
[52:34] if you can recall yeah it was it was put
[52:37] in there just for a cushion to the May
[52:38] during the co that people weren't
[52:40] seeking job an incentive there I think
[52:43] that is when we know people are applying
[52:45] they're coming forward applying for
[52:48] jobs money I was just saying let's just
[52:50] change the line
[52:53] future it was
[52:55] that part it was more of a need at that
[52:58] time rather than now it's not much much
[53:01] of a need now to to for this
[53:04] line um we already did senior
[53:07] centers and then I already mentioned
[53:10] what I felt about the outside Council
[53:12] for civilian police review
[53:15] board and oh yeah this is the one where
[53:19] C I think we addressed that
[53:22] 81211 121 yeah yeah we
[53:30] [Music]
[53:43] 121 oh we're going back that us went up
[53:45] to 6
[53:46] to5 this I think didn't we say let's
[53:49] check that because it went from 58 416
[53:51] to
[53:53] 79 we the corre
[53:56] I just explain how sorry I didn't see
[53:59] the corre sorry CTV operator oh that's
[54:02] on the other sheet okay umed 8120 d121
[54:07] 65 so it was um in 2023 it was5 96
[54:12] 416 and then it was brought to us for
[54:14] 70,000 but then it went down okay I got
[54:17] it to 65
[54:18] 968 okay thank you I think that is the
[54:22] question ask by
[54:26] okay thank
[54:32] you we're
[54:36] good all right I don't over Health
[54:41] numbers yeah
[54:44] um asking just go back show the benefit
[54:51] the Healthcare
[54:52] numbers and also add to that the last
[54:56] year we did receive a reate of 500,000
[54:59] excuse me last year so where is that in
[55:02] this proposed budget in the proposed
[55:04] budget yes the
[55:06] $500,000 rebate are we not receiving any
[55:08] rebate this uh we hope we receive rebate
[55:11] uh what we do is usually put that the
[55:13] rebate we usually get is from uh from
[55:16] Pharmacy yes we us we what we usually do
[55:19] from the pharmacy is the
[55:22] uh I believe we just uh where is it last
[55:25] year we did receive receive a budget of
[55:30] 500,000 or I mean this year excuse me
[55:34] this year what was your budgeted amount
[55:36] for 2023 for what
[55:39] rebate hold on from the
[55:48] pharmacy no that will be all the way
[55:54] to
[55:56] yeah was in near the back
[55:58] right employ employes
[56:06] Ben page page
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[56:23] 4 is it the Medicare reimbursement right
[56:27] here no that's something
[56:33] else I think this is the pharmacy proact
[56:37] rebate right yeah I don't I don't see
[56:39] here it should we usually do with that
[56:41] though too we usually try to lower what
[56:44] our payouts going to be when we get that
[56:46] yeah but in our it's not
[56:49] reced I have to find out can you WR that
[56:51] down yeah I take a look yeah yeah but
[56:54] that's that's uh Elizabeth takes care of
[56:57] that so was the in other words are you
[57:00] saying that that was in 2023 or that is
[57:03] yes yes so what we do is I had to I
[57:06] hired a group to audit our our things
[57:10] and one of the things that we're getting
[57:12] is to make sure that they give us the
[57:14] full benefits that we paying for it and
[57:17] that's how we got the rebate it's it's a
[57:21] reat that it will receive and it's
[57:24] attached the the proact if I'm proact um
[57:29] the pharmacy so my question is though is
[57:31] that a guaranteed rebate in 2024 I mean
[57:34] in other words that's SEC yeah so that's
[57:37] why it's not in the budget yeah that's
[57:39] well see what I mean we had it on the
[57:40] budget for 2023 it's not I don't see I
[57:43] don't see here is
[57:46] a is it on the revenue still want count
[57:48] on something
[57:53] $500,000
[57:55] I think it would be in
[58:07] Revenue 8268 you're talking about is
[58:11] that rebates what is it I'm sorry so
[58:13] Revenue you're talking about
[58:16] 8 is that the
[58:19] proa I think it's proact and our what's
[58:23] the other one huh Canon no stop L it's
[58:28] um a
[58:30] 2680 B
[58:40] 26
[58:43] recoveries oh Insurance recoveries yeah
[58:46] good
[58:47] gotcha ah so 268d I see it yeah line is
[58:52] a rebate line that's a it's a rebate
[58:54] line yes
[58:56] and we don't use it as in the as a
[58:59] revenue we don't put in as an
[59:02] expense you know we put it as a but what
[59:05] if you don't get
[59:07] it we're sh for
[59:11] no in
[59:13] myal life I wouldn't let anybody put let
[59:15] me put grants in yeah what happen if
[59:17] people don't pay their taxes you know
[59:19] well that's
[59:23] true so that's just something that they
[59:25] do every year possibly
[59:28] was we have a couple of things we have
[59:32] the the stop loss rebate and the that's
[59:37] good we pay a lot of
[59:41] M on the on the healthare part I mean I
[59:44] have no say you're saying it's going up
[59:46] by 14% higher but across of standard um
[59:50] across the board is going up like 6 to
[59:52] 8% what is the difference with your 4 4%
[59:55] going up horses the 68% across I I I
[59:59] felt that 14% the way we've been really
[1:00:03] working the last few years we we're
[1:00:05] probably between 6% and I felt I didn't
[1:00:09] want to raise the budget 14% where I
[1:00:11] thought we can get away with ses that's
[1:00:14] what our our cumulative basis you know
[1:00:16] what I mean last year I think you were
[1:00:19] at six around that per last year you
[1:00:22] were 6% so 14% higher is
[1:00:28] here some the trends where during Co is
[1:00:32] we're self-insured paying what the
[1:00:34] actual uh usage
[1:00:38] is people weren't going to the doctor as
[1:00:40] much people deferred procedures and
[1:00:42] other things so the costs went down now
[1:00:46] all those things that were
[1:00:48] deferred are starting to catch up with
[1:00:50] people so you're
[1:00:53] seeing just a high utilization is that
[1:00:56] true y plus you got to remember too
[1:00:59] we're also hiring more people too more
[1:01:01] families and uh you know there one one
[1:01:03] thing too you're hiring police and fire
[1:01:06] and they're retiring at a young age so
[1:01:08] what happens so for every every uh you
[1:01:11] know uh person who retires a family you
[1:01:14] got four guys on it you're not getting
[1:01:16] rid of four people because they're under they're under 65 you're
[1:01:18] still paying for them so you're adding
[1:01:21] another one so as as people retired it's
[1:01:24] not the number goes down it goes up
[1:01:26] because plus especially for Public
[1:01:29] Service Plus these these the health
[1:01:31] insurance benefits I mean don't you get
[1:01:33] that from our
[1:01:35] analyst you have you have an analyst
[1:01:38] that makes these recommendations for
[1:01:40] right yeah yeah you got the the thing I
[1:01:44] it all