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what has historically remained

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open yeah I was just I guess I was that

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is sort of what I was saying if these

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guys had sort of just a bird's eye view

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of that um in terms of taking the risk

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in other words of having the positions

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still here because I think it's clear

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again I'll use engineering as an example

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that I mean there's a lot of work to be

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done on that plate without the Staffing

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so I'd rather see that the Staffing

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remain in the budget thinking that

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perhaps we might get a chance to hire

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the

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people um you know what I'm saying oh

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then that's where we I guess I was

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looking at from the standpoint

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something's been vacant for an extended

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period of time I get rid of

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it and then if something has been newly

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requested evaluating that so yeah I was

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going to add to that we just need a look

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at the the 202 ads on top of the 2023

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vacancies do we really need those

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additional ads into 2024 on top of the

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already vacency that we have that paper

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so it looks like that's something we're

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going to have to think about each of us

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when we go home before Friday so you

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have that paper you have that paper um

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on your backup if you're not if you

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don't have it here we can make copies to

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you if not is more likely to be home I

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know we can get copy yeah look yes I

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would like to hire all the staff every

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Department 100% but where where are we

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going to get the fund from where is the

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funding going to come from and if we're

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looking at the numbers of the may as

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mentioned $7.4 million we we need to be

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very very conservative very alert and to

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focus in on that number $7.4 billion

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it's a lot of

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money that we're going to dig in our

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heels next year to where are we going to

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find

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savings we can't wait until next year

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is better to start

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engineering I just want to point out the

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fact that the engineering department

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sorry did already take um reduce their

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clear oh I'm not

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saying no I was just using it as an

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example I I'll defend you on that for

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yeah no okay he was it's already been

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done my point it's already been done by um this the chief

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engineer in terms of his budget request

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so so here we are I mean I don't have

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on Anthony if I may suggest based on the

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changes here that we was presented

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tonight is it possible to do a draft

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let's have a visual look at it okay make

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is that possible that last make sure our

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numbers are correct there yes why we go

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through it then suggestion go through

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yeah let's go

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through because we weren't necessarily

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making decisions about these changes we

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were just discussing unless Friday we're

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going to make the decisions right unless

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um Mr Williams has any suggestion to

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move ahead with these changes or to

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I'm not the only one here so we're we're

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a Comm committee together so whatever

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you recommend um so I'd recommend

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proceeding with the changes as we

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identified in this 2024 proposed budget

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everyone need the shell and we come back

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please okay all right

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decisions tonight we could have

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legislation prepared for Friday are you

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legislation hear you're saying your

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Friday schedule your Friday schedule

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does not build much morale from

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departments so we'll have to go through

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these we have to make

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decisions and then if we we probably

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will need to look at that other sheet if

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that's one of your

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recommendations what other sheet the

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Staffing one that I didn't Staffing one

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but go ahead please based on whatever

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you're going to be proposing change

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wasse there going to have to be a

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determination on whether that in

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increases the budget decreases the

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accordingly so you guys would probably

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have to rerun a budget

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tonight well I was not going to ask him

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tonight numbers that they can do it oh I

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see okay and then and then we just have

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to think about ourselves before we come

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back I thought you consensus tonight we

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would formalize it tomorrow and then be

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it on Friday okay or you know the other

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suggestion is you know to move it to

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Monday night to the regularly scheduled

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date and I don't know what the

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arrangements are for Council M Farley's

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uh father you that might be a factor you

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know I asked today and I they haven't

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made them

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yet so then if that's the case then

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um move forward with the discussion on

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the changes and that was

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discuss and then we can um provide that

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Ferrari and then we can give him an

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opportunity to work on the draft and

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see how the the dra is

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looking did we need to go into executive

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assessment action yes we kind of skipped

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over a little bit those two

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positions you mentioned that I didn't

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know yeah so wouldn't that be the same

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would that be then the same in terms of

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these other positions that Mr mud just

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brought up no no

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just a general discussion Personnel that

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a conceivably a fairly long

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discussion which one

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would the the list that you have oh okay

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the so you need

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a we need to so let let's go to session

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discuss thetive action and then come

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back out and move forward with what was

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discuss here in on the recommendation

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for for Mr to move forward with the

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draft so we can have something ready for

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Friday um so we need a motion to go into

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session prefer be done the other way

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around all in

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favor I'm sorry were if you were to go

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through the numbers

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first you can give it to Anthony and

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Derek right and then they can start I

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think crunching some things and then you

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want to go to a second session to

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discuss the other piece which is not

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related yes directly to the budget you

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can do the discussion while they're

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fine number one you have to raise

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for uh staff for Council 16% so you're

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making 14,100 I believe right yes M and

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you want to go to 16

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356 think amount if the increas is 16%

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it would go up to it's budget at 987

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right it goes up to

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11492 that's right that yeah well that's

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Ely correct that only four members the

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city council will be eligible for pay

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raise now because you can't raise salary

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during the term of office so three

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members would then be eligible in two

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full Mr what's your opinion your legal

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opinion I actually I agree with that I

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directly the statute I think that's

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has addressed courts have addressed this

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it would be staggered based on so what

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we've done in the past when spot when we

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did an increase for you a couple years

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ago you took in course to your the time

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right for a which again is inconsistent

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that there Cas out there I can verify it

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um so I don't have it you know so can

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with I move each one individually or I

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salary so the answer

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everything together in one package so

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going to be other adjustments that will

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have to be made if things don't go

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through so we need you're do each

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individual line right and some things go

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adjustments you'll have to make or that

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Mr Ferrari and G will have to make as it

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it so so let's go through all the item

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the Committees an agreement majority in

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agreements we move the item we'll just

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mark it up and move forward that item if

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service by $10,000 and bring that actual

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$155,000 yes yes so I'm I'm I am

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confused I'm sorry so you two because

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only ones that can give input into this

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right now no you can give input about

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voting or to agree to move it

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work and then basically on Friday we

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then it's going to have to you know

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either be voted up or voted down by the

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council at full council meeting

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gotcha

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you that yeah okay I'm good with this a

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1210 d00 yes I'm okay with that too - $

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6,610 say it again -

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6,610 yeah it will be

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5739 the next one uh is A310 d00 yes

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plus 2,000 I'm okay with that

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88355 100 the

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assessor

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93,000 plus

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$1,064

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a420

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D100 there were no notes on this this

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was just a

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discussion

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paral

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Oh I thought someone had a figure

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for yeah it's it's yeah sorry apologize

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bed on

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CCA there was a number that was given

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was like

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$4,030 that was for IPs was for IPs okay

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so we don't have a number for this

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okay the next SE talk about the

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affirmative action I'm going go in

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executive session for that okay M we the

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discussion happened on the utilities mhm

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the next one is a 1989 D4 95

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a-2 out of

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miscellaneous they ask us to remove the

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recruitment fund

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15,000 are you okay with that Mr

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Williams nothing is going to happen

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there was a question on the contingency

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that's why that was on there there's

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nothing moving from the agcy that is

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a Mr ferari is going to look into that

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and pass will make

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U adjustment

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or I would say I'm open to transition

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recruitment pardon me transitioning it

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to

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recruitment rame that okay instead of

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taking the 15K out of the budget yes so

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we'll just

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um he wants to keep keep it but let it

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remain in the recruitment

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fund Ren it

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okay and the next one um

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a1989

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499 AR the senior sensor we are bringing

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that to

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$60,000 and Mr TR we're going to ask

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that you adjust discription on line so

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account for all four Senor Center to

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include connect Senor

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centerre

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15 it's a senior center funding isn't

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that was that was a that's it it's

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called Senior Center progam

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yeah we're good with that as soon y I'm

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good with that the next one is a 3122

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-112 we are asking to only Frey line so

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by

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4 5

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6,

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161 based on the

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2023 over

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time yes you have it that's a decrease

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of 500,000 from the original from the

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original request original

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request yeah I I just want to for the

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record say that I don't agree with

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that Mr William you okay with

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this the next one is 831

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23112 and they're asking May to increase

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the 2023 over timeline by 105,000 to

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bring that to the

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2024 line of 880,000

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that's a

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negative, 110 Direction in public safety

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is to cut over

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$100,000 out of those things that's what

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you're suggesting what I would ask you

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to do also is because the PBA contract

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is up at the end of this year so tonight

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when you go home send me the number that

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I can negotiate with the

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PBA again I think that this is kind of

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misleading I just have to say because

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you're well it is it's word choice

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saying increase instead of decreasing

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what you're really doing is decreasing

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the

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overcome I want to work with everybody

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you know any of these decision should

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take some criticism for some people like

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it the public discussion over Public

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Safety last time so now you're calling

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it an increase over last year but it's

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really a decrease over what the expected

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expenses are going to be for

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2024

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agreed and I think we should continue to

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factor in what the spending has been to to date and so know looking at that

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because when when I saw these

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suggestions I definitely looked at that

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it seems like we're going to be within

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that so um you know it's not just for me

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anyway I can speak for me it's not just

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a random like um thought process it's

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like let me see what we've done so far

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where we are and does this look like um

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are within the the amount that's being

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suggested so that's how I looked at

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this

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me I was going to ask if any had a

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discussion

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are you okay move okay that's

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$110,000

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increase less than what was asked less

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than it was

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asked the next item is p

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3412

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d112 by

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fighter and this one here is a

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$500,000

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reduction against the proposed budget

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bringing this line to a mil

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70,000 again I go on the record of

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protesting that one as well i' rather to

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keep it at what the mayor's projected

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budget

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is any other question on

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this are you okay with it yes

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good the police review board a 3614

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d404

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the ask is to increase the feace of

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service by 10,000 and reduce the outside

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legal councel by

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10,000 any discussion on

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this I mean I'll reiterate that I don't

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think they need the outside legal

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councel at all um but I do appreciate

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the idea of having enough money in the

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training line for two people to attend

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the conference plus the fee for the

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membership

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but again you guys are voting but I just

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wanted to be on the record so you're

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suggesting just to be clear that we just

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get rid of the outside the balance of

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the outside Council and just I don't

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think you need $25,000 there for legal

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councel and so if the um the $55,000 for

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the

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uh uh what do you call it I think it's

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training right on the on the budget so

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add to it was it maybe make that one um

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15 maybe make that eight instead of

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five the suggestion was to to increase

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it by 10 to make it

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15 I don't think they need that

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much well this year's training is like

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3,000 maybe four you said three but I I

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was told four and if two people

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conceivably went plus the plus the fees

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so yeah I can't remember how much the

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fees is I'm sorry I can't remember how

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much the membersip

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go ahead please so I would say

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increasing the um fees for the training

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15 and based on the mayor and Mr col's

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um input about the outside Council say

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either moving that remaining balance

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to Mr water department or

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just yeah I'm fin to increase the Fe of

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service to 15,000 and remove the outside

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Council and and that will happen on the

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other the other one also that we have um

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there's another one uh city

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council that's plus 10,000 minus

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25,000 the other outside counil was for

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City counil that I

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also I don't know where that is oh it's

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not on your list it's on

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my so so okay so on this item yes plus

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10 8 2614

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404 the only increase there is the Fe of

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serve is going up to 15,000 we're

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subtracting

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25,000 right

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that's yes and we removing the outside

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