I I guess I would like to see that I
think that would be important to see
what has historically remained
open yeah I was just I guess I was that
is sort of what I was saying if these
guys had sort of just a bird's eye view
of that um in terms of taking the risk
in other words of having the positions
still here because I think it's clear
again I'll use engineering as an example
that I mean there's a lot of work to be
done on that plate without the Staffing
so I'd rather see that the Staffing
remain in the budget thinking that
perhaps we might get a chance to hire
the
people um you know what I'm saying oh
then that's where we I guess I was
looking at from the standpoint
something's been vacant for an extended
period of time I get rid of
it and then if something has been newly
requested evaluating that so yeah I was
going to add to that we just need a look
at the the 202 ads on top of the 2023
vacancies do we really need those
additional ads into 2024 on top of the
already vacency that we have that paper
so it looks like that's something we're
going to have to think about each of us
when we go home before Friday so you
have that paper you have that paper um
on your backup if you're not if you
don't have it here we can make copies to
you if not is more likely to be home I
know we can get copy yeah look yes I
would like to hire all the staff every
Department 100% but where where are we
going to get the fund from where is the
funding going to come from and if we're
looking at the numbers of the may as
mentioned $7.4 million we we need to be
very very conservative very alert and to
focus in on that number $7.4 billion
it's a lot of
money that we're going to dig in our
heels next year to where are we going to
find
savings we can't wait until next year
is better to start
now so since we're talking about
engineering I just want to point out the
fact that the engineering department
sorry did already take um reduce their
Staffing in the budget so just so we're
clear oh I'm not
saying no I was just using it as an
example I I'll defend you on that for
yeah no okay he was it's already been
done my point it's already been done by um this the chief
engineer in terms of his budget request
so so here we are I mean I don't have
anything else
on Anthony if I may suggest based on the
changes here that we was presented
tonight is it possible to do a draft
let's have a visual look at it okay make
is that possible that last make sure our
numbers are correct there yes why we go
through it then suggestion go through
yeah let's go
through because we weren't necessarily
making decisions about these changes we
were just discussing unless Friday we're
going to make the decisions right unless
um Mr Williams has any suggestion to
move ahead with these changes or to
just submit these changes let's look at
the
draft
I'm not the only one here so we're we're
a Comm committee together so whatever
you recommend um so I'd recommend
proceeding with the changes as we
identified in this 2024 proposed budget
everyone need the shell and we come back
on
Friday can we just go through yes yes
please okay all right
so
well can I ask procedurally what are you
looking to
do I thought you going make the
decisions tonight we could have
legislation prepared for Friday are you
going say you're going to come
in
make conversation review discussions
then we're going to have to break and
actually draft the
legislation hear you're saying your
Friday schedule your Friday schedule
does not build much morale from
departments so we'll have to go through
these we have to make
decisions and then if we we probably
will need to look at that other sheet if
that's one of your
recommendations what other sheet the
Staffing one that I didn't Staffing one
with me
but go ahead please based on whatever
you're going to be proposing change
wasse there going to have to be a
determination on whether that in
increases the budget decreases the
budget so that Revenue can change
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accordingly so you guys would probably
have to rerun a budget
tonight well I was not going to ask him
to do it
tonight numbers that they can do it oh I
see okay and then and then we just have
to think about ourselves before we come
back I thought you consensus tonight we
would formalize it tomorrow and then be
able to do
it on Friday okay or you know the other
suggestion is you know to move it to
Monday night to the regularly scheduled
date and I don't know what the
arrangements are for Council M Farley's
uh father you that might be a factor you
know I asked today and I they haven't
made them
yet so then if that's the case then
let's
um move forward with the discussion on
the changes and that was
discuss and then we can um provide that
number to
Ferrari and then we can give him an
opportunity to work on the draft and
see how the the dra is
looking did we need to go into executive
assessment action yes we kind of skipped
over a little bit those two
positions you mentioned that I didn't
know yeah so wouldn't that be the same
would that be then the same in terms of
these other positions that Mr mud just
brought up no no
just a general discussion Personnel that
would be
a conceivably a fairly long
discussion which one
would the the list that you have oh okay
you me
the so you need
a we need to so let let's go to session
discuss thetive action and then come
back out and move forward with what was
discuss here in on the recommendation
for for Mr to move forward with the
draft so we can have something ready for
Friday um so we need a motion to go into
executive
session prefer be done the other way
around all in
favor I'm sorry were if you were to go
through the numbers
first you can give it to Anthony and
Derek right and then they can start I
think crunching some things and then you
want to go to a second session to
discuss the other piece which is not
related yes directly to the budget you
can do the discussion while they're
trying to update the figures if that
makes
sense either way it's
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fine number one you have to raise
for uh staff for Council 16% so you're
making 14,100 I believe right yes M and
you want to go to 16
356 think amount if the increas is 16%
it would go up to it's budget at 987
right it goes up to
11492 that's right that yeah well that's
Ely correct that only four members the
city council will be eligible for pay
raise now because you can't raise salary
during the term of office so three
members would then be eligible in two
more years
so that number does not go up that
full Mr what's your opinion your legal
opinion I actually I agree with that I
think there's um there's case Law
related to that I don't know if it's
directly the statute I think that's
right um I I think you the legislature
has addressed courts have addressed this
it would be staggered based on so what
we've done in the past when spot when we
did an increase for you a couple years
ago you took in course to your the time
but it was passed at the end of my term
was it
right for a which again is inconsistent
with what the statute says you know
you're going to do what you want it's
not
necessarily what I would recommend do
but we're here for forward to working
with
yeah
so which one are we starting with we
starting with
that there Cas out there I can verify it
um so I don't have it you know so can
you do that for us Friday we'll carry
this number 114 492 we can Che depending
I'm not in favor okay okay
I ver one way or the other um and then
obviously then if case law supports it
that becomes a policy question for the
council yeah okay are you okay to move
forward
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with I move each one individually or I
think we're discussing them individually
salary so the answer
is I his question was are we going one
by one both them individually we just
have to
agree confirming them yes can we not vot
you it's going to be I would do
everything together in one package so
you're not individually voting on each
separate line
okay if that makes sense because there
going to be other adjustments that will
have to be made if things don't go
through so we need you're do each
individual line right and some things go
through and some things don't go through
it's going to affect the other
adjustments you'll have to make or that
Mr Ferrari and G will have to make as it
applies the
revenue then you would have to vote on
the next the the revenue change on on
the back side of
it so so let's go through all the item
the Committees an agreement majority in
agreements we move the item we'll just
mark it up and move forward that item if
not we
just that um the back corner so the next
item is a propos um
A110
d440 and propos to decrease the outside
legal
service by $10,000 and bring that actual
$155,000 yes yes so I'm I'm I am
confused I'm sorry so you two because
you're the finance committee are the
only ones that can give input into this
right now no you can give input about
voting or to agree to move it
forward us is have
work and then basically on Friday we
would just say no we don't accept those
changes it's like any other thing that
would come out of committee it's going
to be voted on by the committee and got
then it's going to have to you know
either be voted up or voted down by the
council at full council meeting
gotcha
you that yeah okay I'm good with this a
1210 d00 yes I'm okay with that too - $
6,610 say it again -
6,610 yeah it will be
5739 the next one uh is A310 d00 yes
plus 2,000 I'm okay with that
88355 100 the
assessor
93,000 plus
$1,064
a420
D100 there were no notes on this this
was just a
discussion
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paral
Oh I thought someone had a figure
for yeah it's it's yeah sorry apologize
bed on
CCA there was a number that was given
was like
$4,030 that was for IPs was for IPs okay
so we don't have a number for this
okay the next SE talk about the
affirmative action I'm going go in
executive session for that okay M we the
discussion happened on the utilities mhm
the next one is a 1989 D4 95
a-2 out of
miscellaneous they ask us to remove the
recruitment fund
15,000 are you okay with that Mr
Williams nothing is going to happen
there was a question on the contingency
that's why that was on there there's
nothing moving from the agcy that is
a Mr ferari is going to look into that
and pass will make
U adjustment
or I would say I'm open to transition
recruitment pardon me transitioning it
to
recruitment rame that okay instead of
taking the 15K out of the budget yes so
we'll just
um he wants to keep keep it but let it
remain in the recruitment
fund Ren it
okay and the next one um
a1989
499 AR the senior sensor we are bringing
that to
$60,000 and Mr TR we're going to ask
that you adjust discription on line so
account for all four Senor Center to
include connect Senor
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centerre
15 it's a senior center funding isn't
that was that was a that's it it's
called Senior Center progam
yeah we're good with that as soon y I'm
good with that the next one is a 3122
-112 we are asking to only Frey line so
by
4 5
6,
161 based on the
2023 over
time yes you have it that's a decrease
of 500,000 from the original from the
original request original
request yeah I I just want to for the
record say that I don't agree with
that Mr William you okay with
this the next one is 831
23112 and they're asking May to increase
the 2023 over timeline by 105,000 to
bring that to the
2024 line of 880,000
that's a
negative, 110 Direction in public safety
is to cut over
$100,000 out of those things that's what
you're suggesting what I would ask you
to do also is because the PBA contract
is up at the end of this year so tonight
when you go home send me the number that
I can negotiate with the
PBA again I think that this is kind of
misleading I just have to say because
you're well it is it's word choice
saying increase instead of decreasing
what you're really doing is decreasing
the
overcome I want to work with everybody
you know any of these decision should
take some criticism for some people like
it the public discussion over Public
Safety last time so now you're calling
it an increase over last year but it's
really a decrease over what the expected
expenses are going to be for
2024
agreed and I think we should continue to
factor in what the spending has been to to date and so know looking at that
because when when I saw these
suggestions I definitely looked at that
it seems like we're going to be within
that so um you know it's not just for me
anyway I can speak for me it's not just
a random like um thought process it's
like let me see what we've done so far
where we are and does this look like um
are within the the amount that's being
suggested so that's how I looked at
this
me I was going to ask if any had a
discussion
are you okay move okay that's
$110,000
increase less than what was asked less
than it was
asked the next item is p
3412
d112 by
fighter and this one here is a
$500,000
reduction against the proposed budget
bringing this line to a mil
70,000 again I go on the record of
protesting that one as well i' rather to
keep it at what the mayor's projected
budget
is any other question on
this are you okay with it yes
good the police review board a 3614
d404
the ask is to increase the feace of
service by 10,000 and reduce the outside
legal councel by
10,000 any discussion on
this I mean I'll reiterate that I don't
think they need the outside legal
councel at all um but I do appreciate
the idea of having enough money in the
training line for two people to attend
the conference plus the fee for the
membership
but again you guys are voting but I just
wanted to be on the record so you're
suggesting just to be clear that we just
get rid of the outside the balance of
the outside Council and just I don't
think you need $25,000 there for legal
councel and so if the um the $55,000 for
the
uh uh what do you call it I think it's
training right on the on the budget so
add to it was it maybe make that one um
15 maybe make that eight instead of
five the suggestion was to to increase
it by 10 to make it
15 I don't think they need that
much well this year's training is like
3,000 maybe four you said three but I I
was told four and if two people
conceivably went plus the plus the fees
so yeah I can't remember how much the
fees is I'm sorry I can't remember how
much the membersip
go ahead please so I would say
increasing the um fees for the training
15 and based on the mayor and Mr col's
um input about the outside Council say
either moving that remaining balance
to Mr water department or
just yeah I'm fin to increase the Fe of
service to 15,000 and remove the outside
Council and and that will happen on the
other the other one also that we have um
there's another one uh city
council that's plus 10,000 minus
25,000 the other outside counil was for
City counil that I
also I don't know where that is oh it's
not on your list it's on
my so so okay so on this item yes plus
10 8 2614
404 the only increase there is the Fe of
serve is going up to 15,000 we're
subtracting
25,000 right
that's yes and we removing the outside
Legal C