[0:00] I I guess I would like to see that I
[0:02] think that would be important to see
[0:04] what has historically remained
[0:06] open yeah I was just I guess I was that
[0:09] is sort of what I was saying if these
[0:11] guys had sort of just a bird's eye view
[0:13] of that um in terms of taking the risk
[0:17] in other words of having the positions
[0:19] still here because I think it's clear
[0:21] again I'll use engineering as an example
[0:24] that I mean there's a lot of work to be
[0:28] done on that plate without the Staffing
[0:31] so I'd rather see that the Staffing
[0:32] remain in the budget thinking that
[0:35] perhaps we might get a chance to hire
[0:37] the
[0:38] people um you know what I'm saying oh
[0:41] then that's where we I guess I was
[0:42] looking at from the standpoint
[0:43] something's been vacant for an extended
[0:45] period of time I get rid of
[0:51] it and then if something has been newly
[0:54] requested evaluating that so yeah I was
[0:57] going to add to that we just need a look
[0:58] at the the 202 ads on top of the 2023
[1:02] vacancies do we really need those
[1:05] additional ads into 2024 on top of the
[1:08] already vacency that we have that paper
[1:11] so it looks like that's something we're
[1:13] going to have to think about each of us
[1:15] when we go home before Friday so you
[1:17] have that paper you have that paper um
[1:19] on your backup if you're not if you
[1:21] don't have it here we can make copies to
[1:23] you if not is more likely to be home I
[1:26] know we can get copy yeah look yes I
[1:31] would like to hire all the staff every
[1:33] Department 100% but where where are we
[1:34] going to get the fund from where is the
[1:36] funding going to come from and if we're
[1:38] looking at the numbers of the may as
[1:40] mentioned $7.4 million we we need to be
[1:43] very very conservative very alert and to
[1:46] focus in on that number $7.4 billion
[1:50] it's a lot of
[1:51] money that we're going to dig in our
[1:53] heels next year to where are we going to
[1:56] find
[1:57] savings we can't wait until next year
[2:03] is better to start
[2:08] now so since we're talking about
[2:10] engineering I just want to point out the
[2:11] fact that the engineering department
[2:14] sorry did already take um reduce their
[2:17] Staffing in the budget so just so we're
[2:20] clear oh I'm not
[2:23] saying no I was just using it as an
[2:25] example I I'll defend you on that for
[2:27] yeah no okay he was it's already been
[2:30] done my point it's already been done by um this the chief
[2:35] engineer in terms of his budget request
[2:41] so so here we are I mean I don't have
[2:44] anything else
[2:45] on Anthony if I may suggest based on the
[2:49] changes here that we was presented
[2:51] tonight is it possible to do a draft
[2:54] let's have a visual look at it okay make
[2:58] is that possible that last make sure our
[3:01] numbers are correct there yes why we go
[3:04] through it then suggestion go through
[3:06] yeah let's go
[3:08] through because we weren't necessarily
[3:10] making decisions about these changes we
[3:12] were just discussing unless Friday we're
[3:15] going to make the decisions right unless
[3:17] um Mr Williams has any suggestion to
[3:19] move ahead with these changes or to
[3:22] just submit these changes let's look at
[3:25] the
[3:28] draft
[3:31] I'm not the only one here so we're we're
[3:34] a Comm committee together so whatever
[3:36] you recommend um so I'd recommend
[3:38] proceeding with the changes as we
[3:40] identified in this 2024 proposed budget
[3:44] everyone need the shell and we come back
[3:46] on
[3:47] Friday can we just go through yes yes
[3:51] please okay all right
[3:58] so
[4:02] well can I ask procedurally what are you
[4:03] looking to
[4:05] do I thought you going make the
[4:07] decisions tonight we could have
[4:08] legislation prepared for Friday are you
[4:11] going say you're going to come
[4:13] in
[4:16] make conversation review discussions
[4:19] then we're going to have to break and
[4:21] actually draft the
[4:23] legislation hear you're saying your
[4:26] Friday schedule your Friday schedule
[4:29] does not build much morale from
[4:34] departments so we'll have to go through
[4:36] these we have to make
[4:38] decisions and then if we we probably
[4:40] will need to look at that other sheet if
[4:43] that's one of your
[4:45] recommendations what other sheet the
[4:47] Staffing one that I didn't Staffing one
[4:50] with me
[4:52] but go ahead please based on whatever
[4:54] you're going to be proposing change
[4:56] wasse there going to have to be a
[4:58] determination on whether that in
[4:59] increases the budget decreases the
[5:01] budget so that Revenue can change
[5:03] [Music]
[5:08] accordingly so you guys would probably
[5:10] have to rerun a budget
[5:16] tonight well I was not going to ask him
[5:19] to do it
[5:21] tonight numbers that they can do it oh I
[5:24] see okay and then and then we just have
[5:26] to think about ourselves before we come
[5:28] back I thought you consensus tonight we
[5:31] would formalize it tomorrow and then be
[5:33] able to do
[5:35] it on Friday okay or you know the other
[5:40] suggestion is you know to move it to
[5:43] Monday night to the regularly scheduled
[5:46] date and I don't know what the
[5:50] arrangements are for Council M Farley's
[5:54] uh father you that might be a factor you
[5:57] know I asked today and I they haven't
[6:00] made them
[6:07] yet so then if that's the case then
[6:09] let's
[6:11] um move forward with the discussion on
[6:14] the changes and that was
[6:17] discuss and then we can um provide that
[6:20] number to
[6:21] Ferrari and then we can give him an
[6:25] opportunity to work on the draft and
[6:27] see how the the dra is
[6:32] looking did we need to go into executive
[6:36] assessment action yes we kind of skipped
[6:40] over a little bit those two
[6:42] positions you mentioned that I didn't
[6:44] know yeah so wouldn't that be the same
[6:46] would that be then the same in terms of
[6:48] these other positions that Mr mud just
[6:50] brought up no no
[6:53] just a general discussion Personnel that
[6:57] would be
[6:58] a conceivably a fairly long
[7:02] discussion which one
[7:04] would the the list that you have oh okay
[7:07] you me
[7:10] the so you need
[7:14] a we need to so let let's go to session
[7:18] discuss thetive action and then come
[7:21] back out and move forward with what was
[7:23] discuss here in on the recommendation
[7:25] for for Mr to move forward with the
[7:28] draft so we can have something ready for
[7:31] Friday um so we need a motion to go into
[7:35] executive
[7:38] session prefer be done the other way
[7:41] around all in
[7:42] favor I'm sorry were if you were to go
[7:46] through the numbers
[7:47] first you can give it to Anthony and
[7:49] Derek right and then they can start I
[7:52] think crunching some things and then you
[7:55] want to go to a second session to
[7:56] discuss the other piece which is not
[7:58] related yes directly to the budget you
[8:01] can do the discussion while they're
[8:03] trying to update the figures if that
[8:06] makes
[8:07] sense either way it's
[8:10] [Music]
[8:12] fine number one you have to raise
[8:15] for uh staff for Council 16% so you're
[8:20] making 14,100 I believe right yes M and
[8:24] you want to go to 16
[8:27] 356 think amount if the increas is 16%
[8:31] it would go up to it's budget at 987
[8:34] right it goes up to
[8:36] 11492 that's right that yeah well that's
[8:41] Ely correct that only four members the
[8:45] city council will be eligible for pay
[8:48] raise now because you can't raise salary
[8:51] during the term of office so three
[8:54] members would then be eligible in two
[8:57] more years
[8:59] so that number does not go up that
[9:03] full Mr what's your opinion your legal
[9:05] opinion I actually I agree with that I
[9:07] think there's um there's case Law
[9:09] related to that I don't know if it's
[9:11] directly the statute I think that's
[9:13] right um I I think you the legislature
[9:17] has addressed courts have addressed this
[9:19] it would be staggered based on so what
[9:22] we've done in the past when spot when we
[9:26] did an increase for you a couple years
[9:28] ago you took in course to your the time
[9:32] but it was passed at the end of my term
[9:35] was it
[9:41] right for a which again is inconsistent
[9:44] with what the statute says you know
[9:46] you're going to do what you want it's
[9:49] not
[9:50] necessarily what I would recommend do
[9:53] but we're here for forward to working
[9:55] with
[9:58] yeah
[10:01] so which one are we starting with we
[10:03] starting with
[10:08] that there Cas out there I can verify it
[10:12] um so I don't have it you know so can
[10:16] you do that for us Friday we'll carry
[10:18] this number 114 492 we can Che depending
[10:23] I'm not in favor okay okay
[10:26] I ver one way or the other um and then
[10:29] obviously then if case law supports it
[10:32] that becomes a policy question for the
[10:34] council yeah okay are you okay to move
[10:37] forward
[10:38] [Music]
[10:40] with I move each one individually or I
[10:43] think we're discussing them individually
[10:47] salary so the answer
[10:49] is I his question was are we going one
[10:52] by one both them individually we just
[10:55] have to
[10:55] agree confirming them yes can we not vot
[11:00] you it's going to be I would do
[11:03] everything together in one package so
[11:05] you're not individually voting on each
[11:07] separate line
[11:09] okay if that makes sense because there
[11:11] going to be other adjustments that will
[11:12] have to be made if things don't go
[11:18] through so we need you're do each
[11:21] individual line right and some things go
[11:24] through and some things don't go through
[11:26] it's going to affect the other
[11:28] adjustments you'll have to make or that
[11:30] Mr Ferrari and G will have to make as it
[11:32] applies the
[11:35] revenue then you would have to vote on
[11:37] the next the the revenue change on on
[11:40] the back side of
[11:43] it so so let's go through all the item
[11:45] the Committees an agreement majority in
[11:48] agreements we move the item we'll just
[11:49] mark it up and move forward that item if
[11:52] not we
[11:53] just that um the back corner so the next
[11:57] item is a propos um
[12:01] A110
[12:04] d440 and propos to decrease the outside
[12:07] legal
[12:08] service by $10,000 and bring that actual
[12:17] $155,000 yes yes so I'm I'm I am
[12:22] confused I'm sorry so you two because
[12:24] you're the finance committee are the
[12:25] only ones that can give input into this
[12:27] right now no you can give input about
[12:29] voting or to agree to move it
[12:31] forward us is have
[12:35] work and then basically on Friday we
[12:38] would just say no we don't accept those
[12:42] changes it's like any other thing that
[12:44] would come out of committee it's going
[12:46] to be voted on by the committee and got
[12:49] then it's going to have to you know
[12:50] either be voted up or voted down by the
[12:52] council at full council meeting
[12:57] gotcha
[13:01] you that yeah okay I'm good with this a
[13:04] 1210 d00 yes I'm okay with that too - $
[13:11] 6,610 say it again -
[13:15] 6,610 yeah it will be
[13:19] 5739 the next one uh is A310 d00 yes
[13:25] plus 2,000 I'm okay with that
[13:30] 88355 100 the
[13:34] assessor
[13:35] 93,000 plus
[13:40] $1,064
[13:42] a420
[13:45] D100 there were no notes on this this
[13:47] was just a
[13:49] discussion
[13:55] [Music]
[13:57] paral
[14:01] Oh I thought someone had a figure
[14:03] for yeah it's it's yeah sorry apologize
[14:08] bed on
[14:11] CCA there was a number that was given
[14:13] was like
[14:14] $4,030 that was for IPs was for IPs okay
[14:18] so we don't have a number for this
[14:21] okay the next SE talk about the
[14:25] affirmative action I'm going go in
[14:26] executive session for that okay M we the
[14:30] discussion happened on the utilities mhm
[14:33] the next one is a 1989 D4 95
[14:39] a-2 out of
[14:42] miscellaneous they ask us to remove the
[14:44] recruitment fund
[14:46] 15,000 are you okay with that Mr
[14:51] Williams nothing is going to happen
[14:53] there was a question on the contingency
[14:55] that's why that was on there there's
[14:57] nothing moving from the agcy that is
[15:00] a Mr ferari is going to look into that
[15:03] and pass will make
[15:05] U adjustment
[15:08] or I would say I'm open to transition
[15:11] recruitment pardon me transitioning it
[15:14] to
[15:16] recruitment rame that okay instead of
[15:20] taking the 15K out of the budget yes so
[15:23] we'll just
[15:25] um he wants to keep keep it but let it
[15:29] remain in the recruitment
[15:32] fund Ren it
[15:36] okay and the next one um
[15:40] a1989
[15:42] 499 AR the senior sensor we are bringing
[15:46] that to
[15:48] $60,000 and Mr TR we're going to ask
[15:51] that you adjust discription on line so
[15:54] account for all four Senor Center to
[15:59] include connect Senor
[16:04] [Music]
[16:06] centerre
[16:07] 15 it's a senior center funding isn't
[16:11] that was that was a that's it it's
[16:13] called Senior Center progam
[16:22] yeah we're good with that as soon y I'm
[16:25] good with that the next one is a 3122
[16:30] -112 we are asking to only Frey line so
[16:34] by
[16:35] 4 5
[16:37] 6,
[16:39] 161 based on the
[16:41] 2023 over
[16:43] time yes you have it that's a decrease
[16:46] of 500,000 from the original from the
[16:49] original request original
[16:51] request yeah I I just want to for the
[16:54] record say that I don't agree with
[16:57] that Mr William you okay with
[17:00] this the next one is 831
[17:04] 23112 and they're asking May to increase
[17:09] the 2023 over timeline by 105,000 to
[17:12] bring that to the
[17:15] 2024 line of 880,000
[17:18] that's a
[17:20] negative, 110 Direction in public safety
[17:24] is to cut over
[17:27] $100,000 out of those things that's what
[17:30] you're suggesting what I would ask you
[17:32] to do also is because the PBA contract
[17:35] is up at the end of this year so tonight
[17:38] when you go home send me the number that
[17:40] I can negotiate with the
[17:47] PBA again I think that this is kind of
[17:49] misleading I just have to say because
[17:51] you're well it is it's word choice
[17:53] saying increase instead of decreasing
[17:55] what you're really doing is decreasing
[17:56] the
[17:57] overcome I want to work with everybody
[17:59] you know any of these decision should
[18:01] take some criticism for some people like
[18:03] it the public discussion over Public
[18:06] Safety last time so now you're calling
[18:09] it an increase over last year but it's
[18:11] really a decrease over what the expected
[18:13] expenses are going to be for
[18:17] 2024
[18:18] agreed and I think we should continue to
[18:21] factor in what the spending has been to to date and so know looking at that
[18:26] because when when I saw these
[18:27] suggestions I definitely looked at that
[18:29] it seems like we're going to be within
[18:30] that so um you know it's not just for me
[18:33] anyway I can speak for me it's not just
[18:35] a random like um thought process it's
[18:38] like let me see what we've done so far
[18:39] where we are and does this look like um
[18:42] are within the the amount that's being
[18:45] suggested so that's how I looked at
[18:51] this
[18:53] me I was going to ask if any had a
[18:57] discussion
[19:02] are you okay move okay that's
[19:05] $110,000
[19:07] increase less than what was asked less
[19:09] than it was
[19:15] asked the next item is p
[19:17] 3412
[19:19] d112 by
[19:23] fighter and this one here is a
[19:27] $500,000
[19:29] reduction against the proposed budget
[19:32] bringing this line to a mil
[19:36] 70,000 again I go on the record of
[19:38] protesting that one as well i' rather to
[19:41] keep it at what the mayor's projected
[19:43] budget
[19:45] is any other question on
[19:48] this are you okay with it yes
[19:52] good the police review board a 3614
[19:57] d404
[19:59] the ask is to increase the feace of
[20:01] service by 10,000 and reduce the outside
[20:04] legal councel by
[20:10] 10,000 any discussion on
[20:13] this I mean I'll reiterate that I don't
[20:16] think they need the outside legal
[20:17] councel at all um but I do appreciate
[20:20] the idea of having enough money in the
[20:22] training line for two people to attend
[20:25] the conference plus the fee for the
[20:27] membership
[20:31] but again you guys are voting but I just
[20:33] wanted to be on the record so you're
[20:35] suggesting just to be clear that we just
[20:37] get rid of the outside the balance of
[20:39] the outside Council and just I don't
[20:40] think you need $25,000 there for legal
[20:43] councel and so if the um the $55,000 for
[20:48] the
[20:49] uh uh what do you call it I think it's
[20:52] training right on the on the budget so
[20:56] add to it was it maybe make that one um
[21:00] 15 maybe make that eight instead of
[21:04] five the suggestion was to to increase
[21:07] it by 10 to make it
[21:09] 15 I don't think they need that
[21:12] much well this year's training is like
[21:15] 3,000 maybe four you said three but I I
[21:17] was told four and if two people
[21:20] conceivably went plus the plus the fees
[21:24] so yeah I can't remember how much the
[21:25] fees is I'm sorry I can't remember how
[21:27] much the membersip
[21:31] go ahead please so I would say
[21:33] increasing the um fees for the training
[21:35] 15 and based on the mayor and Mr col's
[21:39] um input about the outside Council say
[21:41] either moving that remaining balance
[21:44] to Mr water department or
[21:50] just yeah I'm fin to increase the Fe of
[21:53] service to 15,000 and remove the outside
[21:56] Council and and that will happen on the
[21:59] other the other one also that we have um
[22:02] there's another one uh city
[22:06] council that's plus 10,000 minus
[22:11] 25,000 the other outside counil was for
[22:14] City counil that I
[22:16] also I don't know where that is oh it's
[22:20] not on your list it's on
[22:21] my so so okay so on this item yes plus
[22:26] 10 8 2614
[22:29] 404 the only increase there is the Fe of
[22:32] serve is going up to 15,000 we're
[22:34] subtracting
[22:36] 25,000 right
[22:40] that's yes and we removing the outside
[22:43] Legal C