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I'd like to call the ordinance to make
the city council committee meeting for
Wednesday October 18th 2023 and I'll
turn up to Mr M Baron thank you I would
like to reconvene finance
committee and there is one item that we
need to address follow from last
and it has to do with the human resource
department I was to have some questions
for Mr
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P you have some questions regarding you
want to go ahead certainly um so I
noticed in the budget when uh Miss Ali
was here that there's two office excuse
me two positions that were removed from
the budget um the positions W removed I
should say that they weren't funded and
they were
the assistant yeah I'm just W about his
office Oh you mean the assist yeah he
having any control over
that so about the fir action um offic so
the uh affirmative action office
clerical Aid and program coordinator
neither of those were funded this year
so um just really want to know from you
that was that was the decision that you
wanted to make or no I I would like that
you reconsider that we've been working
to try to get you know these positions
funded they're very very desperately
needed to assist the work that we're
trying to do in this off of affirmative
action uh we just now completed the U
ining process so we sent one selection
up to the to the mayor's office today
for consideration so you know so that's
up there and also uh it's it's been a a
challenging Jal situation in terms of
affirmative action office and the
Empowerment Center the it were both
connected to what we're trying to do
with the 18 office stre and funded and
all that but since we've had such a
um cost overrun in terms of being able
to get the building done and get
everything on track to make it move
forward it's it's been almost impossible
to say how can we you know get you know
position in that to run the program if we're not sure what we're going to
run the programs out of so that was the
one issue that was you know in in
contention for but we did you know work
through that and I want to come back to
you um to discuss at at another time the
reappropriation you know of the of the
office fund to go more toward the
programming side
and so therefore we're able to serve the
community and do the things we want to
do as opposed to being locked down to
the to the capital infrastructure of the building I want to come back with
that but in terms of the two positions
the critical in the sense that you know
we definitely need help in terms of the
day-to-day operations of what we're
doing down here what tring to do the
service C and you know get the word out
and service and and hold true to the
mission so um has been a process to to
do that together with a lot of people
and you know it's just been hard so we
got we got the first part of it done
ose be ready with the 17 you know move
back forward consideration but in terms
of program we've been doing you know a
lot of things that U require the help
you know you talk about creating U
access to Opportunities um you know word
available in terms of you know what we
have to offer trying to do specifically
toward Workforce Development and
training working with our partners and
you know just trying to develop the
whole program in a quality fashion so
that it's sustainable and deliver the
results that we're trying to do so I
think we'll be able to move forward with
the quality sustainable program and a
product that's going to make the city
proud and we'll be able to deliver what
the uh what the community is asking for
so follow question you said that you
submitted something to the um mayor's
office which one of these positions was
it for for clerical a clerical a um and
it's my understanding that someone was
hired at one point but it didn't work
could you speak to that a little bit
Yeah didn't work state
so out right so it wasn't for lack of
trying you did have someone employed but
they decided didn't have a start they
didn't start they just accepted the job
it didn't start right right
okay all right so but you you have
reached out because I just you know
wanted to ask those questions um because
I just want to be frank that um we were
told that that there had been you had
been submitted several applications but
not had not considered any of the people
well we we've considered a lot I mean
we've been you know it's a process you
know um you get you know 10 20 app kid
you call them all you know you know the
bo don't answer don't show up or
whatever you know so that process and
some don't work out but you know we've
been going through that process and um
you know I'm very comfortable with what
you know we've come out with to you know
to get this
started um so my last question if if
between these two positions has neither
one of them have been funded this point
and if you said if we said like we can
only fund one or the other um from your
perspective as the person who runs the
office which would you have chosen well I I have to go with the data uh you
know the data entry person because
that's you know what we're getting B
down the most you know so much is coming
in just keeping up with things so that's
you know that's one thing
the other position is important too
because um there's a lot of support that
we get from within the current
administration of the city that ABS a
lot of those things that typically would
not be done you know specifically Sil
Heth minist in terms of grant writing
and identifying Grant
opportuni um connections and
relationships with the partment that
we're trying to work with on Country the
college uh the school district U you
know all these things uh it takes time
you know a year ago we started working
on M with the school district to talk
about a Workforce initiative so that's
been last September here we are this
year we just not getting to the point
where they're coming back with their
draft or what they want to move forward
so everything just takes a very long
time and the uh and we need to be in a
position to go after the fun we need to
go out to the gr so we can sustain the
programs once we you know get them done
so we do talk with funders you poti fund
that's working with talking with you
know the district you know what
resources can they bring there um know
we talking Community College you know
they work with us
Workforce program what can they they do
so you know many things that they can do
uh you know retrospect is you know maybe
like noncash you know transactions but
if they consist with staff for example
in the col they do like all the
screening and taking the applicants and
all that but it's tax in on them to keep
up a keep up people so you know we do
what we can to you know make it happen
and you know keep doing and then we
still you know go to outside resources
looking for funding so um we were talk
for a whole year with a group that want
to support the you know the Empowerment
Center you
know and they will you know they would
come you know with some you know
significant funding but they didn't want
to get involv with the capital P you
know nothing to do the building with
programing you
know you know something that we you know
what happen What going on but you know
it's conversation like that is why this coordinating piece becomes critical
somebody strong enough to have those
conversations and you know and sometime
you know we're not as as St to the
traditional routes you know we don't
have those relationship we have to build
these relationships and just simply
takes time so we need the help of these
people to make it happen thank you go
ahead please so would you say that the
program coordinator is more focused
towards the Empowerment Center and the
work that will be done um once that
Center opens well no no well you know
just service doing the program so I
think we can do the programs without
having a building so we'll just make the
program work so for example we have the
skills training program the next core
starts next week 23rd
and then after that we have the business
uh Workshop we're doing like a business
Workshop series and um you know things
you know like for the years we trying to
do something like each month to you know
keep the activity going and make it
happen and the two ironically go hand in other words we train people so
let's say that we run 150 people through
the skills training program and at the
end of the day we you know having
trouble getting in place you know we we
priorities to get them plac within the
city but you know we're not getting them
here so it's just hard so we need to
build the capacity of small businesses
that have the opportunities to take them
on so we have to you know do them both
at the same time so we're working to
build a capacity small business and you
know being part of the mission and
enthusiasm that's going on within the
city and uh and ultimately create the uh
you know create the jobs and and we do
have a disconnect you know um you he Day
about
people looking for for employees they
said we can't find where are they you
know and you know we have it here and
but yes when you go two blocks up you
talk to I can't get an interview or why
can't I get this or you know and these
are the realities that we we deal with
and we talk about things in a a true
public private kind of relationship you
know you know we have to do them both at
the same
time
Mr cardal So currently the work are
being done by
you Miss K
right so do you have any backl in terms
of reviewing the of the compliance
report I mean it all become Challen you
know it all become tax you know because
chase down what um you know it's happen
with the projects and you know get
reports in you know you get it done you
know so we get it done
but we would like to be on the proactive
side to um you know de able to be why
you if you have chance get in there
and how many grants did you submit this
year and what are what's the status of
those grants well in the past 12 months
I said you submitted like three GRS one
to the state to the federal um we didn't
get got close we did the year before the
year before you know we submitted about
the same and you know we didn't get any
you know we didn't get anywhere with it
this we we got a lot closer you know a
lot of feedback in ter of you know what
consider part somebody you know those
type of things so
we we did get small from National
GD we did apply through the state
through the you know Workforce
initiative you know and some of those
things are still
pending but um you know we working we're
working out with the um you know
Workforce Development Institute and
requirment of Labor so they have um
that's s task what we're doing with our
Workforce program
where the negotiation is once they
complete out five six program that they
will go into the next level which would
be like a Preen program so trying to you
know bridge that Gap so um how many how
many programs did you run this year and
how many students went through it this
is weally run like about TOS for year so
this is going to be the third cohort
this
year next and how many students 15
typically we start 15 e we got probably
12
11 goad please so are you are you able
to utilize is the um grant writer for
the city to write your grants or who
writes your grants for you been write
most of and we do you know we have work
with Su you know through the
city been writing the ones that we've
been but she's not really she's not part
of your department she works in a
different department but she's assisting
yours thank you she's part of she works
mostly with development mostly with
development yeah okay but you know
actually she does gr for the city done
police she's done Finance she's done
other did she do want help you with
ch oh noard no I was asking about oh
yeah no I'm just saying also s lomard
help okay and we have talk you know Su
you know like you know what to go after
that you know so we have VI
but you know just one identify
put
resources thank
you any other question for Mr
Gard thank you
sirate thank you have a
good
thank
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you
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so before you it's a it's a combine of
all the proposed changes
so give you a couple minutes to go
through them and then we'll go through
them
individually discuss it and move
forward
you
Happ I'm just hiding it want me to read
on your paper
sure doesn't really explain
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be
okay so we'll just go through um each
item and first section is revenue the
question Mr ferari is to explain the
real property tax collection here to
date on the first princi you have given
to us and the one today the number
remain the same despite the fact that
collection was ongoing say again please
real property tax collection you know
the monthly stus I give you every every
month if you read the bottom you know
the way our books the way the computer
works is that we figure we achieve 100%
but in actuality we were receiving about
93% it's increasing every year so you
receive about 93% collection on that
line
yes the next one can you explain to us
um the sales tax and growth for 2024
yeah so we increased the sales tax by
million dollar over the high share uh as
we see even
though you know uh you know hear about
the economy going up for the cost
everything is up especially gasoline
we're getting all those sales tax
increases so we're looking forward on
that so you think million a million
increase from 2023
is is that conservative two yes yes I
think it is should it go up a little bit
more I I I would not put it up
anymore excuse me John can you tell us
the line number sorry sorry revenue is
on Revenue page
one uh a11
a one0 got it
yeah
sorry put
together so it's conservative but
recommend stay the million yeah million
pleas and the next one can we walk us
through the last Revenue you had given
us a statement here what
kind that's for the benefit
of
sure the
next the we talking about the
6.6 million 6.6 million yes yeah that is
just to basically balance the books and
uh that's what we have left over uh for
our l l Revenue that was a calculation
of um
5.2% uh what we received uh from the
aror monies um so we do that calculation
and I believe I sent everyone that sheet
uh that shows uh the amount uh uh we
actually received um but 6.6 million is
what is left over and U that's just
going to be filling the gap between our
revenues and our
expenditures any question on this so 6.6
is what we have left in arpa and that's
what that figure represent l so you're
using that yes to cover our loss of
Revenue
correct and it could be we're not going
to use it all like even like what we
used last year we may not use it all
this
year are you good with that you go okay
so we'll uh move to the next item the
next one is a
101-100 city council there's a proposal
for a 16% increase of city council
member open for
discussion sorry I brought this forward
and so as you can see um I researched so
the council hasn't received a increase
siphon since 2002 and um we it's
increased our duties have increased
overall uh including doing the budget
which is has increased over the years so
uh at this point in time I was just
putting forth that um to increase the
stien for the city council members while
at the same time um considering the uh
outside Council which we had put in and
reducing that since we had not used it
but leaving um some of it in place
15,000 in order to just in case we
needed but not
um but not take but but taking some of
it away um from the 25,000 that we had
originally
budgeted
open
question go ahead please so I would not
support as I as I've mentioned the
increase for city council um I don't
think that that's really why we're here
um doing the job but I also recommended
that I think we should take out the
entire 25,000 for the outside Council as
we discussed last year I mean I think
that um most of us um use our
Corporation councel for any questions
that we have and folks in the
Corporation Council Office uh for
questions that we have um when they come
up so I just as we discussed last year I
again do not think that we need that um
in the budget at
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all any other discussion on this item no
I mean I understand your position so I
mean so if it fall goes through and you
know you could stand on principle and
then if you you know feel like it's not
something that you would want to take I
understand
that you got a question on this I we'll
move to the next one 8
10144 I'm that's kind of like linked to
the one before M propos increasing
outside legal service by
$10,000 H yeah it's it's currently 25
5,000 so this has been asked to reduce
it to to
15,000 any discussion on
this again I just don't think that we
need it even the 15,000 but I would
reduce it to
zero any other comments on
this sorry go ahead please
I would just say based on a preparedness
standpoint I definitely understand that
our Corporation Council is willing and
able to do this types of work but I
think just because there's not an
immediate use does not deter you from
having these types of budget items as a
just in case resource I think having it
for another year to see if we are going
to potentially utilizing it then I think
I'd be more in favor of assessing uh
it's uh long-term uh implications as a line
number any other
discussion seeing none we'll move to the
next item is a 12
10-100 and that's adjusting the
admin
assistant so the current 2023 salary of
57392 open for
discussion
well you're not very
consistent you give the
uh Parks director
4% and you don't give anything
here go ahead please
I would just say there's blatant
differences between a director and an
administrative assistant no slate to
either position because they're both
vital to the seols long-term
plans you can't use reasoning for one
and not for the
other go ahead um as I believe there was
a there was a 4% increase in this line
item from last year's budget to the
20123 and then it was vacant for a while
and um this person came in very very
recently so um I I I mean generally a 4%
increas is is um like over something
that's that hasn't been has been a long
time and let me just also say I looked
back and there was in 2020 between 2020
and 2021 there was like no increase in
this line whatsoever so This Is Not
Unusual it's not like it's never
happened before because when we P when
the 2020 and 2021 budget was passed
there was also not an increase in that line
any other
discussion I'm
sorry just not
really some people go upstairs well I do
want to say I think the parks director
was hired um in February perhaps I mean
um so I think that that person has been
in their position for almost a year or
you know certainly by the time the um
but the I don't know when the ad
assistant was uh hired
so it probably was very recently but I
think maybe July maybe August and but
very recently
yes any other
questions we'll move to the next one uh
a13 plan
100 uh question on the proposal is to
increase a deputy Finance commission
position to
$80,000 currently it's 78 so they
bumping I know
him there there's a currently 78 bu for
proposed budget has about
78,000 we asked him to bring that 80,000
and there's a little bit of reason for
that there at the
bottom I don't want I don't not SE fin
retirement that's it
but make
it I didn't want to say it but you know
how F to be doren's customer
there
ohes want to make sure we have
succession plan in this department to
our city
and years so we want to make sure the
transition happen and the deputy is
equipped to carry on and we need to um
you know put that in place as you see D
does a great
job he listens he change well and
hopefully it's going to continue to even
grow even
more any question on
this okay the next one
here the assess um this
a355
100 assessment
office the s was um in front of us a
couple of days mentioned to us that
um he took um this you know Eng assessor
exam pass the first Tri and you know she
has a top certification and this was a
two part question because there's one
here and then there's another one in the
back it's going to combine all two
together and we had the opportunity to
from her and I think that um we should
um you know put some consideration in
place
to compensate her for certification and
the qualification that she has she did
mention that she has the only one in the
New York State have qualification I'm
not
mistaken something close to that
yes go ahead pleas I was going to say
professional development is something
that is uh needed in every organization
and I think it's our responsibility to
make sure that we properly incentivize
that that a no way shape or form means
giv people um 100% raise increases but I
think that as they start to add more
knowledge skills and abilities to their
skill set uh City Hall is able to be
more um effective in its businesses
within that individuals
scope we did ask for documentation I
think attach to the
today her is 93 she requested
933 you have this
k64 more
than
bu64 oh 1,64 got
it
So currently the proposal is um 91
936 and she requested 93,000
can I would support
that there not much of a difference from
the proposed budget and what is being
asked from the Department next item is a420 D100
law proposal is high power legal and
then there's an N that's why the
suggestion is being brought
forward
go ahead please I would like to ask if
Mr Mr colon could weigh in on
this um thank
you um we do anticipate that one of the
parktime attorneys um who's been working
for us for quite a while now um will be
leaving um at the end of the year full
retirement um he's already retired from
the DA's office and um he's been doing
phenomenal work for us in fact we
actually had a judgment today in court
from a trial over
$100,000 F in sus um this a case that he
handled um as it's noted here we do have
unfilled assistant Corporation Council
positions obviously we're trying to fill
those positions um you I don't know what
will happen in 2024 as a plus to the
other administrative staff um know we
get a lot of oil requests obviously as
you all know and technology has changed
um where we now cam so there's more
redactions to do and more video to
review and all of that and that consumes
a great deal of time uh there'll never
be a shortage of notice of claims that
are filed against the city um and Code
Enforcement cases that come up um from
the building department for us to
prosecute and um having obviously you
know if we can't fill the assistant
Corporation Council positions um there's
always going to be a need for additional
support staff um we have two paralal
currently in the office who don't don't
have the title paralal um they have code
enforcement specialist and record access
officer um having a paralal could
provide additional assistance um to
handle closings drop documents um things
along those lines um so that the
attorneys that we do have can you know
um essentially do the the things that
attorney only attorneys can do go to
court um and so
forth what would be an average salary I
there's no there's no salary attached to
that recommendation so yeah it's Guided
by I believe it may fall under um that's
a this open question I don't I don't
know if it falls under
CCA I believe it does so there would be
a grade associated with that in steps
and so
forth and one more question there
because you did mention when we met um
that that the other two positions were
doing paralal work um
so basically there they would be moved
from doing paralal work or they still
would do paralal work it's just Within
These one with
codes
they um they do the work that they're
required to do for the job description
um they used to be par illegals they
have those other job titles now so
they're doing things specific to those
job titles a paralal would have to
follow the description that would be
provided to the Civil Service since it's
a civil service position uh that said
the two people that are currently um in
those positions don't do real property
work they don't do closings they don't
have that experience um and it doesn't
now fall within their job descriptions
um par legal would be able to do that
work the closings
right and then you know ideally we would
look to somebody specific to handle that
type of work you know to fill the voids
that we currently
have do you think it would be easier to
fill the power legal position the
attorney
position I don't know if I can answer
that since we haven't you know um
created that position to you know know
who's test you know who's been testing
for it um you know an attorney position
is you know a little different because
it's you know management
um doesn't have civil service
requirements go ahead please and I'm
going to say I appreciate your candidate
absolutely having more attorneys is more
appropriate you can use them uh more
seamlessly but definitely I think my
position would be how do we get you the
proper support and it seems that you're
more or less open to that so I I think U
understanding how can we get you the
bodies that you can best use to support
this uh legal burden more than
appropriate and then definitely making
sure we don't permanently close those
lines any other question on
this all right now we move
on you resource I think this is
answer by Mr
Gardner well I'm not go ahead please I'm
not sure if he answered the question why
it wasn't funded think he was more
answering did he need it or not that's
what that's what I heard from him um but
so and I'm not really sure if we
ever I'm not sure if Miss Ali really
said why it wasn't
funded I'm not because we gave him all
we gave over 20 applications they never
filled the
position yeah we did have discussion
around that where there's other unfilled
positions um so he did state today that
he needed so I I I guess the discussion
becomes you know do we fail one or both
of those positions and there was someone
who was off of the position but then got
a better position so they never actually
took it so it's not like there was
nothing done so I guess it's start yeah
well I I think that happens a lot
depending on if you got a better salary
then you just you know you take the
better salary the effect pattern
deviates from what was articulated here
would be a Personnel issue Council have
to move into executive session be
briefed on that okay thank you so so
let's put
this executive session y
absolutely
okay let's move on to the next one
that's
a623
and4 utility admin explain the signal
superintendent payou that's actually for
two two people that's
for that's where the mixup is kind of
like yeah for the signal superintendent
and the principal so you have like a
break down light so kind of
like so it's kind of
like it doesn't look like there is one
individual that is stand for two
yeah Mr mad but I don't think there's
any um I personally don't think there's
any discussion there I mean you can
correct me if I'm wrong but if you have
to pay it out you have pay it out right
isn't that a contractual correct noding
yeah I think the question is
understanding as to the accumulation of
the unus si le and vacation time well as
you can see as you see the people that
are involved have been here like myself
back in the 80s when that was the
contractural thing as you see as as the
years went along uh the contract has
changed excuse me the contracts have
changed so so that now
uh want to correct you there's no
contract invol it's the terms and
conditions that are adopted by the city
council Council had those in place that
made those
correct go ahead please um so I remember
something similar to this I was not on
the council at the time um Chief far
that that was back so was back in 2011
where um there was something about him
his payout for him leaving and as I
remember there was some conversation
about as M fact mayor you were the
council president then um about that
changing so that something like that
didn't happen again I distinctly
remember that um so I was just wondering
so that's actually a different thing
that's Public Service benefits well they
were
allowing to collect overtime to
compensate for what he felt
was
something that he a benefit he didn't
get because he had taken a job of Scotia
and came back here and that's when we
put it on the
ballot so there was a Amendment to the
Charter that the voters voted in
where and that was the department head
of the finance director was working that
out prior
Administration uh there was some
question whether not they could do it or
not do it and we took it to the voters
so that the sole discretion for those
things is the city
council which was approved
in November
2011 and just want to mention too the
public service managers have a different
uh benefit benefit package then other
managers I just want to make sure that
this plan is I mean that he falls that
there was no Amendment no that I think
uh we sent you the copy of the good
everybody has a copy of that yes
okay so thisp a separate
docum again it's for two
people I didn't think I got
that no
not
any other question on
this the next item is a 1989 495
a-2 a miscellaneous andri expense the
request is
to remove the mayor's recruitment
fund and the other one is a contingency
is to explain the 6,000 movements
and the actual if you look at the actual
there the 60,000
movement
exp I think on the last time you gave us
so here
on you gave it to us the last time I
think
do should be in
expenses well give the year to dat right
yes
so be just for the revenues John
requested this was the one that you gave
out last week and I thought I saw it
here I'm not
it
transfer adjustments I I have to check
that out I
exactly
yeah I sent um a corrected Year date to
the council
email
18 I'm sorry that was what it was that
was the year the adopted budget right
in to dat gotcha gotcha I know I saw it
was it was there an explanation I I
didn't I didn't hear either he said he's
not sure have to look I yeah he has it
but he's not sure okay I see it I have
to look you want I guess I'm not really
understanding the question can you just
tell me what you mean by the question an
error it's an error this could be an
error yes yeah yeah that's where the
question was asked why was it $60,000
removed from the contingency by
a reduction we don't see where it
doesn't I can find it
okay oh you're looking at something that
I don't have I
see we adopted 360 is that what you're
saying yes we did yes 300 I think the
300,000 it says 300 yes but it was
reduced by 60,000 in the actual okay
gotcha so
want I'm guessing that's a
hope it's an so he just have well
contingency what was it used to pay for
could have been taken out we use it for
you know lot of demolitions any fires uh
any you know uh uh IRS fees or any uh
Government taxes and stuff like that you
know so you want to look it up now or
you see where
transfer I don't think this is the
material change anything this is just a
qu no no I
think yeah we'll send it here
yeah it was just an observation to make
sure I an error to correct it back and
put it back in
place any other
questions okay we'll move to um actually
backing up a little bit so
I I think we were told the mayor recruitment funds
wasn't necessarily just mayor
recruitment funds um so one of the
things I was suggesting was just
changing the name of it but I don't know
about removing the money because the
money actually was used by other
departments I believe right right we we
moved it into contingency because uh
when it was in the mayor's budget we
were told that the only could be used
for the mayor's budget so that's why we
moved into into miscellaneous you moved
it into miscellaneous miscellaneous yeah and that was this that was what it
was called so we kept it that name you
know so again how much I just don't know
that we should remove the 15,000 is all
I'm saying but we could change the name
just a recruitment fund was something
that we talked about the other
night yeah I had that on my
questions what was it what was it before
I I think this when this was put in
place
May
15000 when went to use it so we couldn't
use it for
anybody just it ca confusion the other
evening because it was called mayor
recruitment funds all I'm suggesting is
that we change the name to recruitment
funds and leave it where it is at 15,000
in that miscellaneous line because I
think it was explained to us the other
evening that it is
used um for other areas not the mayor's
office correct
okay go ahead please so um look as I see
it wasn't none of it was used last year
according to this and um and what they
said was they moved it there because
this we're talking about next year's
budget so it's not that it's already
being used it has the opportunity to be
used correct but last year there was
none used I mean I won't call it last
year I'll call it this year one of the
reasons was that because it was under
the mayor's budget there we were told it
can only increase it for the mayor's
budget people and we're like no we
wanted to use it for
other people you anybody that we H it
was clear the legislative intent was to
allow sen to hire people Citywide not
just in the mayor's
office there were no cases where we used
it because we
had uh periods of time where line items
were vacant so anytime where the salary
was increased there was money within
that line so we stayed within the
approved budg budget
and you know going forward you want to
take that out take it out you know
situation comes up where I need more
money I'll come back to end something
but at this point you know we've worked
within the adopted budget to can make
things work and overall hiring has just
been difficult to find
people across the board it's not we
don't have enough money we don't have
enough
candidates
okay any other a question on
that see now we move to
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a989
499 and that has to do with a senior
center there's a recommendation here to
fund all the Senor Center under this
line including the the one that is
currently funded on on this line and
add AOH under this line
also at
808 anent order of
H
so goe so what you're suggesting with
this is that rather than the Hibernians
having to apply for cdpg funds that
would be out of the operating budget
that's
correct so all all the senior cies on
those one
L so would you want to make the total
budget be it will be whatever was um
think it's 45 you'd have to add $49,000
I think to that you had you had a
revision yes well the Catholic Charity's
budget is 60,000 for the year
2024 and then I think oh I think that
the senior centers from the Hibernian
gets on I think I think 20,000 from cdbg
and they were going to be short 14 so
yeah that was we have reserve on the
cdbg to cover the isn't that yes I think
D sent that to you
today you
those yeah um there's two line items
through CBG currently um one was
budgeted for 18,000 AG 46 we have about
5.6 pay left the other one was uh 3,000
we still have that 3,000 change
available so 8,000 Al together
9,000 8,000 or
9,000
approximately I agree with what you're
trying to do
there with the exception I would
recommend that we use already approved
cdbg
money uh which won't quite conform to
the calendar year so some of this would
go into next year and then really in the
25 budget we would then say put it all
out of General funds but we use
whatever's already been approved through
the cdbg process to fund the hians or
the other meil sites and then make up
the difference with the general fund
appropriation that make sense to me
which would mean that we would still
need to add a little bit money to this
budget line if the big question is the
documentation and getting all the
support and volunteers to continue the
program it's very difficult for them um
so they they're
struggling but I think they've got
everything in order
for this year and
if we need something we're going to make
up the
difference I don't think but I want to
use the money ins out of
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first okay how is the other Senior
Center doing I mean they told
that posi things right I did write to
them um and she was supposed to get me
something today but she did not um I
asked her for a written report I
indicated the questions that you all had
um and she did she was going to get it
today but I didn't get it today so
before today I asked her for it Jen we
the AOH site might be in a deficit we
haven't expended on these other sites so
there's enough
money on the table that I believe I have
the authority to match up to pay those
bills and then just going forward is
what we have in place for next year
I I think that's exactly you're trying
to get yes go ahead so I mean yeah I did
and Mr pal many also uh wrote it back
because I had the wrong date of our next
meeting but um you know I did suggest to
her that they come and make a
presentation at our next committee
meeting as well um which obviously is
not in time for this but
um she would be I think she was I can't
remember if she wrote us back for that
one now yeah we had asked for her to to
email the documation to support right
and I did not get it yet so maybe I'll
have it by Friday but I did not get it
by today we don't know 45 or 60 the
budget that they've given us for 2024 is
60 but yes it's that's a a budget that
would Encompass three running senior
centers and as we mentioned the other
night we don't currently have three
running senior centers but we're hoping
to have that in place because currently
we budget 45,000 for line and we only
spent about $10,000 actually right yeah
on the tree size because it's
not so there's money there to make up
whatever the may need but to still use
what the cdbg balance is 9,000
1765 people and then they have their
allocation yeah yeah but when did they
get it the I'm not sure when the year is
but he definitely indicated that he had
a $20,000
CD for for for 2023 not
2024 okay I think everybody everybody go
ahead please oh so we would spend that
that's yeah that's exactly what I agree
with me in terms because the volunteers
they're not getting a m of volunteers
the documentation and things like that
so tapping into this line and utilize
some of the balance against the 45 will
help them along the because people are
falling apart they're moving away
because no he definitely
need
exactly so I'm good with that I'm good
with that
explanation and I will get you the other
documentation so in that because then
there's another question it's like at
the back where we're so are we going to
talk about increasing this line to the
60,000 or not because that's separate I
mean it's I mean it's not separate it's
the same discuss no it is yeah I hear
what you're saying so I guess that's up
to the council but um the Catholic
Charity's budget that they gave us was
for
$60,000 um there's 45 here I mean
that's it's it's definitely going to be
dependent on when they get everything
else up been running but I would well
that should be relatively I think so too
food costs have gone up that's why the
increase in the expenses the bellw site
is very successful the new St John site
is pretty successful it's I'm honor of
getting the third site up and running
and going into the new year the Hamilton
Hill site unfortunately was just a
disaster as was the uh
Goose yeah we talked about it the other
night
so may I suggest just keep the keep it
at the 45 and then when we have the
report presentation we can always do an
amendment next year to increase it and
to add these four
centers fund these four centers
adequately
funding I don't think that should be any
none of us no I don't we want to so I'm
okay with keeping the 45 may explain
there the $9,000 remaining CBG so
I born in 45 and pay the bills get a
bill paid we can RIT after the
presentation and see if we need to
increase it to the
60 CU Ians needed another 14 on addition
unless others have suggestion do you
want to move it to 60,000 right now and
not avoid an amendment so that will
cover for all four centers yeah I think
it will
at disapp pointed we've only used Mr Fry
we've only used $10,000 of the
45 I believe so yeah that's
correct and and
um I can't think of his name he already
secured $20,000 for cdbg y Dave so but
they just need uh 14 more yes and we
need 60 yes and we should have 35
left doesn't roll they don't roll they
don't roll over but I think there's a
little bit of wiggle room yeah with the
c with this I would suggest we put the
60 in there now that's what I think too
instead of revisiting if that's what
cathol charity say they
need so the suggestion is on the table
to increase this line by 15,000 to make
it
60,000 and this will help to cover the
four
plus the city whatever that go ahead
please no I would support that and I
just want to as um as was stated that
there were two sites that didn't weren't
successful we'll say but I want to make
sure that when we whatever the fourth
site is or the when we get the to I call
the fourth because I'm concluding the
Hibernian that we make sure that they're
um they're spread out within within the
city and it's not concentrated all in
one part of the city and I did I think
that's important um into the email that
sent um to them the other
day Okay so yeah it's um I think we're
going to use it you also have to
remember having the SS here hits the key
neighborhoods that are trying to be hit
the north side Hamilton Hill Mount
Pleasant those are all relatively close
as is the stock Cas so those would be
here wood lawn's covered B views covered
how's Hamilton Hill in Pleasant
covered I having the site relatively
over here it's literally just a few
blocks you mean St John's
yes I wouldn't call it a few blocks but
okay if you have to trudge in the snow I
can call three Block it's some distance
yeah any other question on this so we're
um I make notes here so we can make
notes on that that would be increased to
was
60,000 any other question on this okay
we're moving to a 3122
d112 The Proposal here is to increase
the 2023 over time line by
44,1 161 to bring that line to $2
million here's a Nar l that's the
why yeah that's not an
increase the narrative talks about
decreases line it increase it so what
are you
doing I was confused right that
too they're
cutting decreasing by
500,000 right an
increase it's an increase on top of 2023
like
456 but it's a decrease adjustment of
yes it's not what's totally asked
for no right that's what it is
500,000 yeah I wouldn't support
decreasing that budget I think that
especially now while we're still having
issues in terms of recruiting additional
officers and and such I mean I think
clear case was made for overtime um by
the chief and the assistant chief when
they were here the other day so I would
like to keep that at the uh suggested
the suggested expense in the
budget go ahead please so um as I recall
the conversation as well that the chief
said they were going to be putting new
officers on and
um in May so that you know that should I
would expect more more officers less
overtime for those currently and as I
recall you know when they came to us
regarding axon and and all the other um
technological advances one of the things
that was said time and time again was
that this would give officers more time
on the street and reduce them having to
be um doing come back into the station
do a lot of things so therefore not
kicking into overtime I remember that
being part of the discussion those
discussions
go ahead pleas um so uh just to say that
yes they're having more officers and may
also explain that from the time some you
know uh recruits start their program
it's about a year so I don't know how
many recruits he'll have starting in May
and he did mention that they lose a lot
of folks as soon as they go through
training so we we can't automatically
assume that there's there'll be enough
officers coming on in May or a year from
the next recruitment class so um I
definitely would not want to put myself
in the entire city at Bay by not
allowing the additional overtime U I
agree go ahead please right I think it's
important to make like two distinctions
uh one proposing a budget in all shapes
and FES doesn't mean that it's a
guaranteed ask I think we had the same
conversation last year we're looking at
this recommended uh amount is a
significant increase to the 2023 adopted
budget uh I think Chief Cliff has been a
parent as saying that the community is
not at Jeopardy and I think it is also
important to note that the Investments
that we're making in uh some of the
anti-violence programs I think at some
point those are going to need to either
assist with curving and addressing some
of the um prevent preventative U
mechanisms that are providing
individuals help lless to use violence
um but also I do agree with Miss
Porterfield that investments in
technology uh to equp this point has
yielded improvements um so I think uh
increasing it beyond the adopted to 2023
budget is a consideration I'm willing to
make and then uh confidently uh seeking
out that these eight individuals that
are going to graduate from the academy
in May 2024 and the continued efforts of
not only police department but also our
uh Community programs to invest in
community policing that supports the
entire community of sity uh taking up
this this uh not fight um for this
stance of how do we address and make
sure that our public is safe I think
that is a comfortable
number I do want to point out that we
spent almost 2500 uh 2.5 million in um
20122 so already the 2023 budget was
like a million dollars less and um I I'm
sorry I didn't bring my what what have
we spent so far our year to date is 1.8
million 1. 8 million 18 1.84 Z 577 so we
have about I don't know like 150,000 um
to remain for the rest of
2023 because right now they we're 25
people short on the street so I don't
know I mean I think that was the
justification and I hear you know the
technology piece I think will help
moving forward but I still think that
that's still pretty new as well in terms
of
being um
operational so I think it's going to
take some time to see the you know
hopeful hopeful um outcome that we are
anticipating with that as
well so where did you get our 25 from
where did I get the
22481 349 is what we spent in 20 no no you're saying that were 13 24 people
13 vacancies 12 in training and 25
people short on the street is what they
said the other evening when they came
and presented is coming on in May
yep unless I wrote it down wrong but
that's what
iy 12 training is going on in me that's
what yeah maybe I wrote it down anybody
else
okay I had a question on this
then we'll move
into we'll move into a 3123
d112 and there is a proposal here to
increase on the 2023 of timeline by
105,000 to bring that line to 2024 line
to 880,000
currently leader line the
propos
990,000 again I mean look at what we
spent in 2022 1259 893 so
um you know not in 2023 2022 2022 I'm
just looking and I'm I'm looking at our
year to date right now it's
86399 so
it's it it I guess I'm guessing with the
crime going down and all the technology
that's added you can see that we're not quite it even that what we're
out we're considering allocating for
2024 the year to date please so
technology is really not going to help
too much in the investigation piece
because you get a murder or something
you have just look at the the murders
that we had that's where all the extra
costs are uh it's just Manpower and just
trudging through it that's where the
expenses
are go ahead please I would just
disagree only for an instance that
everything generates paperwork and my
time um I need to go more recently I
think saving that time is also c as
well just a process question so when we
get through all of these things we're
going to go back and make final
decisions right we're not these are not
our
yeah I'm running this through every
discussion okay then we'll go back and U
just move quickly through them if we are
for or against
it any other question on
this seeing none we'll move to a 3412
d112 and this is the fire fighter ask is
increase over 2023 over time line by
209,000 and to bring the 2024 proposed
line to a mil
70,000 so cutting 500,000 from the
request right it was
1.57
open
professionals um as I was offer the I'm
sorry I'll offer the year to date which
is
75458 754 I'm sorry
586 93 cents I think that went up 10 we
were 740 when we talked about it last
time yeah so that's how much it went up
just since
74 14,000
that print out was come October
4th question ahead please if I'm not
looking at you please call
me I'm buring my head in here trying to
make no I would say I absolutely hear
the statements from my colleagues uh but
I would say if your stance is that
overtime is needed then I think my
response would be then what are the
benefits of having us continually fund
Public Safety Foundation efforts
well I have to say that the public
safety Foundation efforts are complet
it's like comparing apples and oranges
the reason that we have the public
safety foundations is so that the
officers can be out there at community
events like common Unity
or I'd have to go back and look at other
events but I think those are it's it's
like having
um this this is Public Safety I mean in
terms of fire and police to have the
overtime because we need it right now
we're you obviously using it in terms of
getting folks out there on the street
whether they're fighting fires or
fighting crime versus um I think it's 25
for each right $50,000 total for the
police and the
fire it's getting like they going to
family fund day at steth Park giving out
stuff or or SC AC this weekend um you
know what I mean it's like a it's like
having opportunity for our firefighters
and our police to
be interacting in an informal way with
the community versus for
$50,000
versus them doing the work of Public
Safety um so that's the difference I see
go ahead please I would say the times
that I've seen the firefighters out in
the public they're handing out pamphlets
and brochures that are promoting best
safe practices to decrease of fires and
homes
so I think these types of efforts are
very important and I think very vital to
not only addressing households in
general but also uh to making sure that
we're addressing these concerns with
people at their infantile stages so that
kids grow up with this understanding and
naturally incorporate into their lives
but I I imagine that they're having
these types of conversations I don't
think that they're just talking about
how cool their uniforms look even no but
are you suggesting that we cut the 50
the 25 and the 25 I'm saying that these
I'm saying these typ of efforts have an
impact on our community totally great oh
no totally but I'm saying specifically
with respect to improving Public Safety
so I'm saying these types of Investments
that we're making should have cost
savings overall in
overtime not on the own but cumulatively
and I'm wrapping in the technological Investments we're making
also and the fact that we are bringing
in our officer or not in respect to the
Fire Department chief uh Chief Marino is
reevaluating how to make sure that he is
increasing a staffing level by thinking
of a revolutionary concept of now hiring
EMTs and training them I think these
types of Investments are going to allow
us to mind cost savings I I totally
agree with what you just said but I
think it it's going to take some time
for those things to happen and so I
think we're in agreement that the 25 and
the 25 obviously are adding to
the safety issues I don't disagree with
you there but I still think that boots
on the ground um fighting fires and F in
crime um has to happen and I also agree
with you that I thought you know they're
both trying to have as many creative
ways to increase recruitment I mean
clearly unfortunately um some of the
negative things that have happened over
the last few years have have um placed a
stigma on people not applying to be
police officers for example um I think
it's different with the firefighters but
I guess you know from talking with Chief
Marino there's been a reduction in the
number of people that want to go into
firefighting as well um so I just think
I hear what you're saying but I think
going into a classroom of third graders
and teaching them about fire safety is
really important and is something that
probably has been happening even all our
lives right um but I think having still
the amount of funding that they need and
that they're requesting to go out and do
their jobs I think in the immediate as
opposed to when that third grader
you know hopefully is owning a house and
trying their best to prevent fires um
you know no I I I can speak on this one
because it was a recommendation from me
and you were putting $50,000 towards
Public Safety Foundation under the
police and was me as a um contribution
to say let's split it between the two
Department 25 years to get them involved
in the community so that they can bridge
that Gap you know that stigma that is
happening interact with Community to get
them more involved let's hear what's
happening out there and I think they're
doing a good
jobr we just need to expand it a little
bit more provide more support to them
maybe consider next year to increase it
so you know it's all a good thing
happening there the interaction is very
important for building bridges in our
compan
IE go ahead please again I'm just always
going to bring forward that you know I'm
keeping track of what we're spending
year to date and based on that I I you
know I think I'm comfortable with with
this uh it looks like they're having the
ability to cut down on their overtime um
from years past versus this year so I
think that's how that's how one of the
reasons we have to look at this as we
improve the technology as we have more
firefighters as as they get grants from
other places and specifically when I say
that I want to talk about I mean the
police department because they're
applying and as you know they come
before us multiple times um with grants
that they get and those grants also
supplement existing staff it's just not
for bullets and holsters and things like
that some of the grants like if if they
need Personnel to do specific things
they're paid for out of the grant as
well any other
questions okay so now move on to um a361
14-404 police review board and the
recommendation
here recommendation here is to increase
the fees for service line by
10,000 and to reduce the outside legal
councel by
10,000 that is just a movement
there please again I think the 5,000
covers what they need in terms of their
professional development and their
membership fee in um nle nle and the
conference I guess the conference is
like three ,000 or something and the
membership but I would do away again
with the 25,000 um in outside um I don't think they need the
outside
Council go ahead please um so I I I have
to say that I think that the training
right now if a training cost $3,000 with
$5,000 they couldn't even send two
people and I don't really think it's as
beneficial for just one person to go and
to bring back the information that more
than one person should have the
opportunity to attend the training if
for some reason that person leaves the
board or whatever the case may be so I
think beneficially uh for for this
particular review board if we're
especially if we're going to kind of
keep up with what's going on in terms of
um review boards and having them
exchange information with people who do
similar things around the country I
think it's important that we send more
than one person to a training if
possible so um I would support having
enough money for at least uh two people
go I know at one point they had and then
we have to pay to be Parton they call
and at one point they decided they
didn't want to be but our our yeah they
our um our ordinance clearly says that
you have to be yeah so there's that
payment and then you know people go on
the training and like this time maybe
it's 3,000 one only one person could go
so I I would suggest that we keep we put
enough money in to allow people to go
training if we really want the best
training for our board members some
boards pay people to be on them and this
one doesn't so they're volunteers this
is an opportunity for them to increase
their skill set in terms of serving as
volunteers so we could reduce the coun
outside Council I do have a question I
think does someone from your office now
go to those um we go as needed um I've
been in communication with the police
department staff who have those meetings
um and if they feel or the chairperson
from the cprb feels that it's needed for
somebody from my office to ATT
will it hasn't come up um there were the
only questions that have ever come up um
had to do with somebody's ability to sit
on the
board um or questions about that that
was early on I think maybe in maybe the
end of last year U beginning of this
year but nothing has arisen
since go ahead please I could just talk
on the outside Council again there's
money in the law department for outside
Council we bring in attorneys as needed
so if a scenario came up where there's a
conflicted position where city council
needed separate representation or
somebody on one of the boards or
commission needed outside
representation there's money for that
and we try and get leverage stuff with
the membership with New York Conference
of Mayors provide
gu
and casw different things the AG's
office sometimes will assist local
government and things so that that money
that's in the Council budget now I
didn't use it this year I don't see
scenario we're going to use it in the
future like we haven't used it in the
last hund and something years but if you
needed
something there is money in the budget
that's proposed and so if you want to
modify that or look at
that that would be the appropriate way
to deal
with please so I thought the reason why
we create separate line because it' be
easier for accounting purposes if that's
not right I'd be open
to that was part of
it I can comment on that um Echo the
mayor had to say I know this came I'm
going to Echo what the mayor had to say
on this um I know this came up last year
um it as you know as you all know um the
city council hasn't used outside Council
this past year um cprb hasn't there's a
budget line obviously for um the law
department for outside Council and we
use that outside Council whether it is
it's usually it's a no not usually it's
a determination made by the law
department on what whether or not we
have the capacity or to to handle a
particular legal situation or uh whether
there's some type of conflict uh in
which um it would be better best for to
be handled by outside
Council that you know seldom happens uh
in terms of the conflict um but that's
not to say that it couldn't happen um
and we would obviously have to make the
professional
determination um to to say that we do
have a conflict and refer to outside
Council but we provide um outside
Council for you know situations
involving other departments in the city
um where you know whether even if it's
not our insurance company but something
arises let's say hypothetically it's an
article 78 because of some
administrative decision made by the
Planning Commission made by um you know
the chief building inspector made by you
know some somebody else who has the
authority to make an administrative
decision um and at that point in time
the Law Department feels that it does
not have the capacity to handle that
particular matter we would refer to
outside Council it wouldn't be covered
by our insurance um and in that
situation it comes out of the law
Department's budget is outside Council
so for accounting purposes it's not
distinguishable between the Departments
it just comes out of the Law Department
M go ahead please and actually me or no no sorry you don't um yeah because
there's
$100,000 in the
20124 um proposed budget for outside
legal services in the legal department
and you know it looks like that would
cover
um what we might
need in terms of what we had spent here
to date and that kind of thing so so I
have the Year date of course I do um but
there's like m multiple lines here so is
it just the fees for services is your is
it your labor lawyer is it your
litigation support is it all those
things added up oh I was just looking at
outside Legal Services no I'm talking
about the year to date spread out she's
looking more detailed breakdown the
budget soy
can that act everybody has this we use
outside Council for certain certain
things that we do right um you know we
use a bankruptcy attorney um outside
Council um Brian crer specifically to
handle matters where um you know usually
it happens with tax issues right
somebody files for
bankruptcy our outside Council Brian ker
interacts with my office and also the
receiver of taxes to make sure that
whomever is uh in bankruptcy is
following the bankruptcy plan and is um
which is payments you know on a Bas on a
typical basis and he will then act um if
somebody doesn't follow their plan to
have a stay lifted or have a bank SE dis
um we try to use him strategically
obviously when we're about to do a
foreclosure um but he's still doing work
throughout the year um we use outside
Council dealing with certain labor
issues um you know could
be could be a grievance it could be just
um you know an issue with you know
police officer firefighter whomever it
may be we have to make a determination
to use outside Council we're not using
outside Council obviously willy-nilly um
you know there are certain lines um for
the labor attorney that we may use for
that but um you know determinations made
and I I consult my office consults with
Finance to determine um the best way to
pay a particular attorney based on what
they're doing for the city um you know I
don't know exactly every single line
that it gets paid out of um you know it
I would say it varies based on the
attorney and what they're actually doing
what service they're providing um as you
know you know we do our foreclosures in
house but um unlike a lot of other
municipalities but we still may use
outside Council as I mentioned when it
comes to foreclosures Brian ker because
he's working on the payc
part
okay any other question on
this okay see then we move
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to a
3614
44 street department
manager ask just increase this no I
don't think the the thing is Right A50
oh sorry that's what you have on here 36 sorry yeah that's
sorry a
510100 street department manager we ask
us to bring this up to 4% over the 2023
salary there's a narrative there and all
of us had an opportunity to listen to Mr
laan explaining how the work is being
done
cly the street department manager from
street department manager and this
Salway supervisor is it the so removing
the ideas to remove the director of
Public Works key dist street department
manager position right and move that to
uh I think 104,000 so 52k in the street
Administration I think and then 52 in
the waist Administration right yeah but but when you first when it was first
not you first but let me just have a
note when that it was first brought
forward it was changing a title
right that's correct yes first they make
the same title for both and increasing
it from 45 to 52 for both because the
guy is going to be saving us about 80
grand wait wait the same guy being both
JG is that correct
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that's so 52 from one line and 52 from
the other yes that's correct but when
the when we first were um given the
budget it was this title it was you they
changed the title to director of public
works right and the proposed salary at
half of the proposed salary was
4,968 not 52 well that's Paul came back
to increase it if you hear that thing
right
52 okay and and because there'll be a
savings of 88,000 it's going to be one
guy both the jobs
the director of Public Works and he
wants to change that to Street manager
also so we wouldn't have that
884 see that 88 339 we didn't it's not
being uh not being uh brought over a
budget in
2024 the
88400 but that was the adopted um budget
in 2023 correct but then by creating the
director of Public Works it was split
45968 each with yeah which was a 4
moving the individual back to street
department manager but you're pumping it
by S almost
7,000 under each department follow fund
request
yeah so what is the
additional duties oh I'm sorry page
33 addition take over
restriction
is this civil service or is this going
to be
manag street street department manager a
manag position here it
is so what's the increase like
14%
okay
88,000 any other question question on
this find the other one no did not but I
found waste but I just didn't find that
first 8160 100 it was the director of
Public
Works they Chang it to Street manager
and they gone from 45 yeah they're not
doing 68 to 52,000 they're not filling
director solid waste and now they're not
doing director of Sol taking out the
88,000 yep I got it I see it
so so actually his Department went down
overall the overall
total budget was down I believe
1.69% but that's what I wrot down but so
I mean I don't have the job descriptions
in front of me
but I guess I'm questioning how one
person can do two full-time
jobs
manage it well manage it it's going to
take ogs and waste
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in scheduling following
up Paul beles that it can be
done if you want him in here get them in
to give you a more detailed explanation
the
work because I I mean I imagine once you
get to this level it is a lot of work so
I just like really wondering how that
could happen it's a
lotn waste water and water you know City
I don't know hard hundreds of thousands
of dollars a year he
did he's got confidence in this guy
yeah
M okay my
question we canbe we can just send the
email so I mean we I don't know we're at
I guess we're at the point where're like
making decisions tonight but that's my
that would be my
question all right any other question on
this Mr far you going to make the the
adjustment zero out the director of
Public Works and move that into street department yeah once we decide
whatever we decide to move forward
either way
okay any other question on this the next
item is um a 5132
100 remove fleet
manager and the note there is a system
is doing a lot of work doing budget
hearing all work will be
completed by the
assistant open for question on
this
I my note said that they're short staff
but you want to get rid of the fleet
manager it's not full it's not currently oh it's not there's
no one in that
position
okay so was Mr lefon recommending
getting rid of the finish yes yes
okay no he didn't recommend get rid of
position he recommended to add the
position back this year we didn't have
it last year yeah that's I was going to
say we had it at one time um then we
didn't have it and did you remember
circumstances was this the night guy I
just no that's a different oh okay I
just remember that when he was he said
that this other person could do the job
but if you want to Happ person to pass
the test MH so he went back to be
assistant manager so he's been doing the
assistant management job now Paul says
he wants to bring somebody back in to
help now and you just sa ,000 but we in
our discussions I mean we can go back
and look he did say that the other
person was was handling all the job so
you got a great
kid working okay all
right yeah he did mention that he asking
to fill this position into 2024 but at
the same time he said the
assistant the assistant is doing all the
work
needed I'm
sorry that's the
one thank
you any other question of
this if not we'll move to a 5132 d 12
121 discuss the motor equipment operator
mechanic one and there are some notes
there with some concern in terms of
liability and having this person work is
solo Shi
by so as you know I brought that because
I I'm still concerned that a person
would be in a garage by themselves all
night in you know in the event that
something happened so um I looked into
and there's no ocean requirement that we cannot do that but again I have
concerns for the safety of the
individual and for um the any liability
on the part of the city should something
happen so if if we're going to do it
then I I really would think that we
would want to um establish a work alone
policy for when people are in the
situation so there's some protocols put
in place for somebody who works alone
and should something happen there's ways
to trigger things for someone to know
that something's happened so um and if
this is the same position also that
they're they're getting this lift for
this portable lift that even makes me
more concerned but um because you know
things happen in garages so um I
understand our need for it however I
just want to make sure that we have
systems in place of these person's
individually in the garage at Night by
themselves um that we have something
that in place and I mean it's not up to
me to decide um Staffing but even having
somebody else rotate in would make me
more comfortable but that's that's not
my call but I just wanted to express my
concern around
that any other
question see now we'll move on to
a71
10-100 direct of Parts the ask is to
increase that to 4% over the 2023 salary
Mr the director of parks right now makes
80,000 this is
4% 83 let me see
87 was for 728 but on the for
8 so the 832 is the 4% 4%
correct
80,000 even yes that's the
salary well it's
okay so it just didn't show when you
hired him you brought him up to 80,000
well again
because the position was vacant rather
than use the recruitment line we used
money that was within the original
appropriation but that was the salary
that he wanted to be hired
so I could have taken it out of the
recruitment line and it just it makes
the accounting more complicated was just
take it out of that line pay a little
bit more that's what the budget reflects
I've submitted to you oh yeah well
there's no way to know it because it
looks like he was making 72 and then
went up to like like $10,000 that's what
it appears yeah that makesense but it's 4% CU he's currently making 82
currently making 80 currently making 80
okay
any other discussion on
this the next is a 8161
D100 why the 8 plus% increase for the
assistant
solid uh any CSA
supervising supervising 1037 employees
has to make $150 a week more so uh uh
because of the big raises that 1037 got
uh receed they got to make $150 a week
more than that so that $8 $150 a week is
7,821 by itself so that's why we've got
the big increase
okay question on
this now we know contractual contractual
cor all right moving on the next one is
a
9089
d840 employee drug test ask to ruce by
10,000 the date is
3,900 the actual for
2967 for 2021 and
4,45 for
2022 open for
discussion go ahead please so I don't I
don't know if the numbers necessarily
I'm just
wondering are we not testing
people because I mean why why we we're
not seeing this line
spent uh someone was not testing some
was co uh we're still dealing with some
of the issues with the changes in the
marijuana
regulations and there is not I shouldn't
say
testing technology is Shifting where
today some of the tests you can't
tell uh how recent the use of marijuana
has been can show for 30 days but really
then individual wouldn't be repaired
there are some tests that are supposedly
coming on the market that would show
the uh uh length of time from using it
to the test for the level open par so on
that tell me if it was C
$5,000 we could live within that but I
would still want some
money uh going forward for the next year
to be able to uh just deal with the
realities of the workforce and where we
have to test whether it's new hiring or
on the job incidents
so you want to keep it at what 10 if we
take if you want to take 5,000 out of it
like what was the original appropriation
15,000 15 15 so yeah if it stays at
10 then revisit it again in a year to
see where we are so reduce it to 10 not
by 10 um and just who who does this
apply to like who gets drug tested Rand
there's Rand engine testing and then
there's new hires who test different
levels cuz I also saw drug testing in
the sewer department so those employees
get there's a separate part of money for
their drug
testing
CD CD for the water sewer funds are
different funds yes so this is in voice
other than that correct in this SL be
all general f
okay so are we okay to keep that
10,000
okay next item is um G 8120
d121 CCTV operator I think this was typo
I think we receive oh
yeah did receive a a copy
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adjusted
sorry he went from 5846 2023 and 659 68
2024 that is due uh uh to the $3 an hour
range so $3 an hour time 40 hours is
$120 a week time 52.4 it's
$625 cense so 58 and uh 58 and 62 gives
you 64,0
67280 and then a 224 you get and I have
to add 2% to that contract to 65 968
okay okay okay ready if you look at the
diagram thank you you will see it but I
just he gave us a print out too thank
you cuz we need more
people let skip this out go over to the
next page and then come
back I think we did address this one
here 8 13
55 that was for the
realer no this is a yes we did no that's
for the City Assessor next one it's the
next one 1356 404 Miss
mroy um
recommended right so we did change in an
increase let me go back to that page if
you I think it was because the person is
supervising somebody that's making more
money or something yes but they gave us
something that they increased it that
was already done right well they
increased it to 60,000 that's not
increased
in
1356 okay the 13551 100 we did Missy She
also asked about the real property
analyst
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right
56
I'm oh it's page
five I couldn't remember if it was the
appraiser or the analyst I didn't write
that down uh 54,000
analy is that oh yeah because you can
see right no so she asked an increase
for uh uh real property analyst from 537
56 to
54,000 oh so it's like a couple hundred
bucks yeah 200
what was what was he ask from what was
he ask from the department head 54 54 as
opposed to
53756 is it even is it even
54
yeah was like
20044 more I guess I must be wrong that was she I thought it was more the
person was supervising somebody but no
she we didn't know what the figure was
we had that know I I'm writing it down
but that's only a couple hundred
bucks can anybody else remember I I
thought I don't know for some reason if
it's if if if it's only a couple hundred
bucks then it's not going to bring them
above because my understanding if I
remember correctly is that she was um
supervising the real property appraiser
I believe it's the clerk oh supervising
the clerk clerk makes way less than that
yeah she just started year so that
doesn't work out then well anyway so
Molly's s uh the assessor is suggesting
54 Anthony
or original request was 54 everyone
every everyone should have that um yes
original
request oh sorry it's yeah we have it
but there a lot
of later well
before okay yep and then when you gave
it today was the 54
corre actually the next one that I had
1430 14
um let's let's
go 1356 404 the assessment Board
review oh that I think we had discussion
with um the assessor in regards to this
board attendance
and M is not attending all the meetings
and
it's yes that was the one yeah yeah yeah
bottleneck on the um the rest of the
members it was 16 so she was going to
come back to us with a recommendation
how we Chang the ordinance or
legislation to address these concerns
and I all us with that to kind of work
with her to address those concerns
because this is not the first time uh
the board is finding some difficulties
in your
function Mr mudar go ahead
please um so a couple things I thought
that Mr Cen said that that was something
that we' have to look at the the c c
about in terms of
changing yes um this it would be outside
of the budget process the budget is
setting the numbers um you'd have to go
and look at the I don't actually I don't
believe that it's set in the um code I
believe it was approved by resolution
okay um so the council could obviously
Set uh the fees that are paid to um the
people on the important assessment
review by resolution so
maybe we leave it the way it is here and
then moving forward into the
year you know get that
analysis and think about it or
what yes I think that was discussed we
have the call public
here I I can talk in this mroy about it
she and I discussed it quite some time
ago um and I don't know how many hours
obviously that they put in um I imagine
that you know she would have a better
sense and the council would have a
better sense May would have a better
sense of whether or not if you went to
you know some other type of payment
arrangement let's say hourly um if the
$16,000 would um cover the hours that
they put in because I don't know those
hours I I'm the the the concern I think
that she had was that there was actually
a particular person who actually didn't
show up for anything and was still
getting the same no they showed up for
if you don't mind they showed up for one
day they didn't show up for the day that
they were reviewing and then they showed
up for deliberation but still got the
full salary of everyone who had been
there the entire time not salary but
stien that's what she yeah that would be
outside same that would be outside of
the budget process that's something else
that the council
address I'm happy to just move on yeah we did ask we did ask for
recommendation to come back to us email
us get us involved let's see what the
narrative is to to move it forward and
to make necessary changes so that we can
better sort the the assessment office
but I do have one thing because the
document that was given to us today
there's zero on this for the
bar the bar is 16,000 no on this
document we got today there's no nothing
in there
with the changes that we
request it's right at the bottom for
service what of assessment revie talking
about right
now her she
probably
Sheed
okay that was from her oh okay so m i mean the uh the Assessor's
Office yes okay thank
you all right so we'll follow that make
sure we address
that I got it but we're leaving it as it
is currently in terms of in the budget
this the amount okay thank you and then
the next one is a430 D100 payroll
manager raise salary to 60,000 from
56,000 to 61 so slightly higher than the
personal benefit clar that was that the
position
supervised that was something that um M
Ali was recommending I
believe open for question oh that was U
Miss Miss uh yeah yeah
okay oh okay because this is the one
where the person is supervising somebody
who makes more slightly more money
than I would have support
that what's that I would support
okay is this person CA she's manager the
other
man management
so make so instead of 56 265 it would be
37 35 60 the
additional the additional
yeah it's the payroll manager
y all right
are we good with that okay the next one
is a441
D100 how much to add an ipf 3 for part
time that's
40,3 step
one 40,000 let me just see what my note
was and why I st said that oh
so Mr Wen must have suggested
that he had a somebody I wrote need ips3
he had up to better position in the
city oh she went to utilities that way
they no no she went to C oh oh that's
right so in that particular instance how
is that kind of so there's no
administrative support in that office
yeah they have IPS for uh what's her
name the person
work and uh you see they also have an
IPS uh IPS specials three in there
1440 yeah it's the same
thing okay then I'll take away my I'll
take away my
suggestion so they're both
okay so you taking it off I can I'm okay
taking it off yeah there are two
position there one is three and one is a
for no
ask and then the other one we already
discussed but that was the the confusion
that we had if you don't mind if I keep
going yeah yeah yeah so the other one
was changing it from mayor recruitment
funds just to recruitment funds because
that question came up the other day just
it's just a change on the
wording have we copied and
paste so I don't I mean it's no money
difference it's just that um people were
confused because about that but it's not
just to recruit for the mayor's office
it's to recruit in
general yeah I I don't think we ever use
this but we never use it one attempt to
use it and the just walk away if you can
recall yeah it was it was put in there
just for a question to the May during
the co that people weren't seeking job
and incentive there I think that is
going to be know people are applying
they're coming forward applying for jobs
take away money I was just saying just
change the
line it was more of a need at that time
rather than now it's not much much of a
need now to for this
line um we already did senior
centers and then I already mentioned
what I felt about the outside Council
for civilian police review
board and oh yeah this is the one where
6 I think we addressed that
8121 121
yeah
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121 oh we're going back let us went up
to 6
to5 this I think didn't we say say let's
check that because it went from 58 416
to
79 the
cor I explain how sorry I didn't see the
corre sorry C CV operator oh that's on
the other sheet okay umed 8120 d121 659
so it was um in 2023 it was9
416 and then it was brought to us with
70,000 but then it went down okay I got
it so 659 68 okay thank you I think that
is do official ask by morning one okay
thank
you
good all right I don't over Health
members
yeah
um I think were asking can just go back
to the benefit the Healthcare
numbers and also add to that the last
year we did receive a rebate of
500,000 last year so where is that in
this proposed budget in the proposed
budget yes the
$500,000 reate are we not receiving any
reate this uh we hope we rece reate uh
what we do is US put that the rebate we
usually get is from uh from Pharmacy yes
we us we will do from the pharmacy is to
uh I believe we just last year we did
receive receive a budget of
500,000 I mean this year excuse me this
year what was your budgeted amount for
2023 for what
rebate hold on from the
pharmacy
no that will be all the way
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to yeah was in near the back
right employ page page
4
is it the Medicare reimbursement right
here no no
that that's something
else I think this is the pharmacy proact
reate right yeah I don't see
here we do with that though too we
usually try to lower what our payouts
going to be when we get that yeah but in
our it's not recorded in I have to find
out can you write that down yeah take a
yeah yeah that's so was the in other words are you
saying that that was in 2023 or that yes so what we do is I had to I hired a
group to audit our our things and one of
the things that we getting is to make
sure that they give us the full benefits
that we pay for and that's how we rebate
it's it's a
reat that it will receive and it's
attached to the the proact if I'm yeah
proa far um Pharmacy so my question is
though is that a guaranteed rebate in
2024 I mean in other words lur yeah so
that's why it's not in the budget yeah
that's why well see I mean we had it in
the budget for 2023 it's not really I
don't see I don't see here is
a
maybe is it on the revenue still want to
count on something
$500,000 I think it would be in
Revenue 82680 you're talking
about is it I'm sorry j so Revenue
you're talking about
8 is that the is that a
proa I think it's proa and our what's
the other one can huh Canon no stop it's
um
82680 D
266
Jesus
recoveries oh Insurance recoveries yeah
good gotcha ah so 268d I see it yeah
line a Reb line that's that's a rebate
line yes and
uh we don't use it as a in the as a
revenue we don't put in as an
expense you know we put it as a revenue
but what if you don't get
it in
my life I wouldn't let anybody put let
me put grants in yeah what happen if
people don't pay ta you well that's
true so that's just something that they
do every year
possibly we have a couple things we have
the the stock loss rebate and that's
good we pay a lot of
money a lot of money on the on the
healthcare part I mean I have not say
that you're saying is going up by 14%
higher but across the standard um across
the board is going up like 6 to 8% what
is the difference with your 40% going up
your hes the
68% I I I felt that 14% the way we've
been really working the last few years
we we're probably between uh 6% and I
felt I didn't want to raise the budget
to 14% where I felt we can get away with
ses that's what our our cumulative Bas
is you know what I mean last year I
think you were at six around that per
last year you were at 6% so 14% higher
this
year on some of the trends were during
Co were self-insured pay what the actual
uh usage
is people weren't going to the doctor as
much people deferred procedures and
other things so the costs went down now
all those things that were deferred
are starting to catch up with people so
you're
seeing just a higher utilization is that
TR yep plus uh you got to remember too
we're also hiring more people too more
families and uh you know there one one
thing too you're hiring police and fire
and they're retiring at a young age so
what happens so for every every uh you
know a person who retires of a family
you got four guys on it you're not
getting rid of four people cuz they're on 65 you're still paying for
them so you're adding another one so as people retire it's not the number
never goes down it goes up because plus
especially for Public
Service Plus these these the health
insurance benefits I mean don't you get
that from our
analyst you have you have an analyst
makes these
recomendations stuff right yeah yeah you
got the thing all analysis yeah
any other question on this
part okay let's move
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back sorry I didn't have
to second to
last it has to do
with keep going to the next
page yeah right there the next one is um
no fee increase for water St and
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garbage can
you he's just talking about
this here made a recommendation to you
that water and sewer you know what's our
numbers we spent 54 million 50 58
million 58 million in upgrades the
facilities we've gotten approximately
$21 million in
Grants and now we have that difference
of 30 some million dollar that is
largely at 0% interest so the overall
financing package is pretty good but now
we have to pay
that money back so this is being
financed I think over 30 years is what
we're looking to go to market on so that
adds over a million dollars a year in
expenses to finance the uh the
operations Anthony do you have an
overall um number regards to the water
one garbage overall the overall number
what does that mean the increase it's
like $174 no in terms of all the units
yeah I I I think for the you have the
units for garbage we have the rates in
the
budget we have the uh for the waist
there's a sheet that was handed out to
all the council
members do we have a number of units for
the
um you know PA I thought he gave you
these numbers PA for water and store he
gave us waste collection
Revenue yeah that's all I
got this is the one for waste
collection right right
and I
think I think uh whatam call it excuse
me D Derek add an analysis of the
proposed budget and that even with the
increase our uh garbage fees that we're
receiving even from uh you know not only
being charged but outside or collection
outside the city and the commercial was
we
still uh we're still losing
$86,000 and if you cut that off we're
going to lose if you look at 2023 you're
going to lose a million 82 plus that
89,000 looking at you know 1
.16 so million what what's the number
overall would be 1.16 it's right here on
this got this one yeah you got
it give it out today again too
yeahor got it okay see the 2020 prop
proposed budget has the increase in it
and even with the
increase the total of cost of wage
Administration is losing
$889,000 but if you don't increase it
you're going to have have it the 22
adopted budget it's going to be the 100
a million million 8 plus the 89 is going
to be a
million
million6 so there's no there's currently
no Surplus um in that line no has there
hasn't been a surplus last couple years
that's why every year we've been trying
to ask for more and more
money because the costs have gone up and uh you know the cost of everything
is going up right especially
fuel salaries I to tell you you know
fuel salar you know
just
benefits equipment
gasoline I thing is about staying the
same as believe it or not as the general
liability ins general liability
insurance L thing they went up only went
up
6% excuse me and I think last year we
did not raise the fees to the level that
they had
recommended no we get not to the level
there but we did um I don't remember
exactly but I think we get half or
something but not so the feel like it
was not the amount asked
for so we'd have to figure out how to
make up sure if we didn't raise the fees
we'd have to figure out how increase
Revenue yeah increase Revenue so and in
thinking about that so I was as I was
going through revenue and probably mayor
this is probably a question for you um
like the payment in LW of taxes is there
ever an opportunity for us to
renegotiate those or uh do not for
profits pay those I mean how is
that um figured
out well suppose any of them could be
renegotiated subject that those are uh
they standard packages that are put in
place either through the Ida or there's
more flexibility through
Metroflex those tend to
increment uh 5% a year
over 15
years so you discounting the initial
years which creates incentives for the
investment and then it ramps up to what
hopefully is full
participation uh at the whatever the
current tax rate is at the time of the
Indy
agreement so we are seeing increased
revenue from
those uh but again you're also seeing
the economic development that's
happening and where the robust numbers
in sales tax uh are somewhat
attributable to the levels of
uh economic development that were
facilitated through those payments of
lower
taxes well because at in 21 we were at
2.5 and then in 22 went for the actuals
we went down to
2.4 so that that's why I was Raising
that question according to the
information we have from Mr
um and Mr Ferrari and some of that would
be is it opposed to showing up in that
line it would show up in tax
revenue okay
thanks I mean this is on for discussion
because there is a a major concern out
there in terms of us raising it to
that
level okay but we have to pay the
employees and those are the
cost I was at the public hearing I hear
one person complain about the budget at
all we'll direct all call your off you
know when people are not happy they come
in and I didn't see one person came that
come in who said anything
negative increases people will tell us
we will get call over and over that they
will will show up at a public hearing
and we won't do anything regardless of
what they said one person we will make
recommendation here and we don't even
come back to the table here and discuss
it the public
hearings I can say that I know that no
one showed up even though people told me
I'm going to come and talk about ABC and
talk about it um and uh but I I've heard
from people as well in terms of that
this particular um item I think that's
always a concern for
people
that's a major concern with regards to
the
water we would have to figure out we'd
have to figure out how to make that up I
mean this budget also doesn't have a tax
increase so I mean what would be the
balance in terms of if we don't do the
water sewer and
waste
um where would we get that Revenue you see these times of inflation cost increases everything
you I don't expect us to keep everything
the same the upgrades to the facilties
upgrades I'm saying how do you keep
everything the same everything is going
up where that's how you get that big
77.2 million G you know that you're
talking about that's that's how what
you're creating by not raising the fees
right now you know it's not a dramatic
increase what it150 a week for garbage
uh water I forgot what of
those the
year 1626 that is per unit isn't it
16265 cents a
day for water or water 0.045 cents a
day and then the um the sewer is 20
cents a day or
$742 for the
year right yeah and then the the other
one though I don't
have
the other one you'd have to tell me that
was Water and Sewer
but water sewer for yeah I don't have
that one broken out yeah the
waste the garbage broken out oh I
see got you got you thank
you that's the next page oh yep I
see so what are you are you proposing
anything or no no just discuss it it's a
concern right so understood
yeah we have I'm a taxpayer in the city
too I don't want taxes anything go up
either but I know I've been in business
50 years I know you got to you got to
raise things please you got
to do you know what we raised it last
year for we yeah did we raise it was
can't remember the
exact was request how
much 50 or 51 I think it was 50 actually
no 249 is
this it was other
words I was asking what
we
se7
78 thank you this is for the new rate
that they want to do for um 20 next year
2024 yeah 16846 a year I thought it was
174 the total cost of those three
increases per
household one
unit one household unit
household so you have if you have a two
that will multiply
by
but all right I
guess I like the idea of keeping taxes
uh not increasing the
taxes um and $168 46 a year to these
three fees per unit as Mr M say for
unit okay let let's let's move over to
the next item we'll come back to this
one discussion on current overall
vacancies and the propos um new high for
2024 this is the question for
me we we had over the last two years I
several vacancy that is not being killed
and we keep you know last year this year
and then we're adding another set of new
hire4 can we cut back a little on
this are all these needed well that's
what I recommended to you you know it's
going to be your
final
decision uh again we've had difficulty
in terms of
recruiting for seeing that shift so that
I'm more optimistic going into 2023
we'll be able to bring staff enough
to again what is the budget as
level no Echo your word I mean with cost
savings where do we where do we take
asting Mr problem anymore where do we
tyen our belt from we need to start
tighten our Bel because we're facing
$7.4 million next year so we need to
start this year in terms of start cling
back on expense and you know bring back
some savings into the
budget that can help to reduce the
cost because I'm not sure I I doubt with
all these
position except for police and fire the
other position then will
get this year and next
year but we still have the work done
currently in
house I know it's a little bit more that
the staff has to do but eventually we
can hire a few more to compliment what
we have but I'm making a suggestion
that not all this is
needed right we' still delivered the
work you know I've been subject to
criticism for not hiring positions and
staff does feel some of that and again
I've submitted a budget to you that I
feel is adequate and it's uh now in the
uh
council's decision you know if you want
to go through specific
positions bring department heads back in
to look at what their goals and
objectives are with each individual
position any suggestion on this may she
I didn't bring that back with me
today and again I think some of these
will remain open just in terms of what
the
you know the recruitment issues that we'
had I have all this much so we'll be
talking about it I know on Friday
but no I'm just bringing that forward
because we got to take more some we
can't wait for next year to typ then
we're going to be more and the number is
going to go up higher
where do we start we have to start
now want no I have yes I would like to
see
that thank
you
yes oh
sorry I just seem to recall
how employees were so upset because the offices weren't being staffed and
the extra workloads on them and now we
don't want to
staff well yes we want to work done we
want to staff them but we we need the
money to staff them understood and if
you don't have the money then how are we
going to staff them are we going to
staff them and then we're going to end
up instead of 7.5 we're going to end up
9. five next year million
dollar so those are my my concern with
these two items
here in terms of the fee
increase and the discussion with regards
to the vacancy and then if we go back to
the pages we discussed earlier with some
of the suggestion that was submitted
there are some savings here potentially
some savings here that might help to
cushion the
M the water garbage Fe so overall we
have to look at all the Departments so
for savings not one department but every
department for savings and I think
that's what we here
for so my question would be though and I
don't know if uh the mayor or Mr Ferrari
can but I mean
historically when we look at that chart
of how many openings there are um many
of those positions have probably been in
you know they've been in the budget I I
think engineering jumps out at me yeah
that they have not filled those
positions so I guess what I'm saying is
sort of from a risk standpoint what are
the chances that the leaving the
positions into the budget what are the
chances that they perhaps again would
not get filled and so we would have the
savings do you see what I'm saying right
I don't know if I'm being articulate on
that if you if you mention the engineer
parand he's being several years of
not being filled because we if you can
recall my years year after year we be
hearing that we're trying to Recine here
we're trying to rec here but nobody is
coming so if you were highlighting like
categorizing like extended open
vacancies and thenly uh open ones I
think is that what you I guess I would
like to see that I think that would be
important to see what has historically
remained open
yeah I was just I guess I was that is
sort of what I was saying if these guys
had sort of just a bird's eyee view of
that um in terms of taking the risk in
other words of having the positions
still here because I think it's clear
again I'll use engineering as an example
that I mean there's a lot of work to be
done on that plate without the Staffing
so I'd rather see that the Staffing
remain in the budget thinking that
perhaps we might get a chance to hire
the
people um do you know what I'm saying oh
then that's where we deviate I guess I
was looking at from a standpoint
something been vac for an extended
period of time I get rid of
it and then if something has been newly
requested evaluating that so yeah I was
going to add to that we just need to
look at the the 2024 ads on top of the
2023 vacancies do we really need those
additional ads into 2024 on top of the
already vacancy that we have that paper
so it looks like that's something we're
going to have to think about each of us
when we go home before Friday so you
have that paper you have that paper um
as your back up if you're not if you
don't have it here we can make copies
for you if not it's more likely be home
I know we we can get copy
yeah look yes I would like to hire all
the staff every Department 100% but
where where are we going to get the fund
from where is the funding going to come
from and if we're looking at the numbers
of the May has mentioned $7.4 million we need to be very very conservative
very alert and to focus in on that
number $7.4 billion it's a lot of
money that we're going to dig in our
heels next year to where are we going to
find
savings we can't wait until next
year is better to start
now
so since we're talking about engineering
I just want to point out the fact that
the engineering department sorry did
already take um reduce their Staffing in
the budget so just so we're clear oh I'm
not saying I'm not no I was just using
it as an example I'll beend on that yeah
no okay but it's already been done my
point it's already been done by by um
this the chief
engineer
in terms of his budget request
so so here we are I mean I don't have
anything else
on Anthony if I may suggest based on the
changes here that we was presented
tonight is it possible to do a draft
let's have a visual look at it okay is
that possible I did that last make sure
our numbers are correct there yes why we
go through it then that be niest go
through yeah let's go
through cuz we weren't necessarily
making decisions about these changes we
were just discussing unless um Friday
we're going to make the decisions right
unless um Mr Williams has any suggestion
to move ahead with these changes or to
just submit these changes let's look at
the
draft I'm not the only one here so we're a Comm committee together so
whatever you recommend um so I'd
recommend proceeding with the changes as
we identified in this 2024 proposed
budget and everyone shell and then come
back on
Friday can we just go through the yes please all right
so well can I ask procedurally what are
you looking to
do I thought you going make the
decisions tonight we could have
legislation prepared for Friday say
you're going to come
in
make conversation review discussions
that we're going to have to break and
actually draft the
legislation it out and your Friday
schedule your Friday schedule does not
build much morale from
departments so so we'll have to go
through these we have to make decisions
and then if we we probably will need to
look at that other sheet if that's one
of your
recommendations what other sheet the
Staffing one that I didn't Staffing one
with me
but go ahead please based on whatever
you're going to be proposing change wise
there's going to have to be a
determination on whether that increases
the budget decreases the budget so that
new change
accordingly
so you guys would probably have to rerun
a budget
tonight well I was not going to ask him
to do it
tonight numbers that they can do
it and then we just have to ourselves
before back I thought you would have
consensus tonight we would formalize it
tomorrow and then be able to do it
Friday or you know the other
suggestion is you know to move it to
Monday night to the regular scheduled
dat and I don't know what the
arrangements are for C Farley's uh
father you that might be a factor you
know I asked today and I they haven't
made them
yet
so that's case let
um move forward with the discussion on
the changes and that was
discussed and then we can um provide
that number to Mr
Ferrari and then we can give him an
opportunity to work on the draft and
see how the the D is
looking did we need to go into executive
affirmative action yes we kind of
skipped over that a little bit those two
positions you mentioned it I didn't know
yeah so wouldn't that be the same would
that be then the same in terms of these
other positions that Mr mudar just
brought up no a a general discussion Rel Personnel
speci that would be
a conceivably a fairly long
discussion which one
would the the you have oh okay but you
the affirmative
action you need
them we need to go
so let's go take the session discuss
Thea action St and then come back out
and move forward with what was discussed
here in on the recommendation
for to move forward with a draft so we
can have something ready for
Friday um so we need a motion to go into
executive
session second well prer be done the
other way around all in
favor I'm sorry they were to if you were
to go through the numbers
first you can give it to Anthony and
Derek right and then they can start I
think crunching some things and then if
you want to go to session to discuss the
other piece which is not related yes
directly to the budget you can do the
discussion while they're trying to
update the figures that makes
sense either way it's
fine one you have to raise for
the uh staff for Council 16% so you're
making 14,100 I believe right yes and
you want to go to
16356 um I think the total amount the
increase at 16% it would go up to it's
budget at 987 right yeah
114 192 that's right that yeah well
that's also
incorrect only four members the city
council would be eligible for pay raise
now if you can't raise salary during the
term of office so three members would
then be eligible in two more
years so that number does not go up that
full amount Mr cling what's your opinion
legal opinion I actually I agree with
that I think there's um there's case Law
related to that I don't know if it's
directly in statute I think that's right
um I I think you the legislature has
addressed and Court have addressed this
it would be staggered based on what
we've done in the past when put spot
when we did an increase for you a couple
years ago you took it in the for year
time but it was passed at the end of my
term it was it
right again it's inconsistent with what
the statute says you know you're going
to do what you want it's not
necessarily what I would recommend to so
here forward forward to working with you
yeah
so so which one are we starting with we
starting with that
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there's Cas out there I can verify it um
I don't have it you know so can you do
that for us Friday we'll carry this
number 114 492 we
can I'm not in favor okay way and then obviously then case
law supports it that becomes a policy
question for the council yeah Mr Willi
are you okay to move
forward move each one individually I
think we're discussing them
individually so the answer
is I his question was are we going one
by one have to move them individually we
just have to
agree confirming them okay we're not
voting yes you it's going to be I would
do everything together as one package so
you're not individually voting on each
separate line
okay if that makes sense because there
going to be other adjustments that will
have to be made if things don't go
through so we need you do each
individual line right and some things go
through and some things don't go through
it's going to affect the other
adjustments you'll have to make or that
Mr Ferrari and G will have to make as it
applies to
revenue
next then you would have to vote on the
next the the revenue change on on the
back side of
it so so let's go through all the item
the committee is an agreement majority
in agreement we move the item we'll just
mark it up and move forward that item if
not we
just that the back corner so the next
item is a propos
um A110
d44
and propos to decrease the outside legal
service by$ 10,000 and bring that actual
$15,000 yes I'm I'm I am confused I'm sorry so
you two because you're the finance
committee are the only ones that can
give input into this right now no you
can give input but the voting to agre to
move it
power us isn't work
and then basically on Friday we would
just say no we don't accept those
changes it's like any other thing that
would come out of committee it's going
to be voted on by the committee and then
it's going to have to you know either be
voted up or voted down by the council at
full council meeting
gotcha you good with that yeah okay I'm
good with this 8 12 10
-00 yes I'm okay with that too $
6,610 say it again-
6,610 yeah it will be
5739 the next one uh is a31 D100 yes
plus 2,000 I'm okay with
that
8355 100 the
Assessor
93,000 plus
$1,064 A14
120-100 there were no notes on this this
was just a
discussion par
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legal I thought someone had a figure for
what it's
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yeahor there was a number that was given
was like
$4,030 that was for IPs was for IPs okay
so we don't have a number for thisp
Okay you
Okay the next s we talk about the
affirmative action and we go in
executive session that MH we the
discussion happened on the utilities mhm
the next one is a
1989 D4 95
a-2 out of
miscellaneous they asked us to remove
the recruitment fund
15,000 are you okay with that Mr
Williams nothing is going to happen
there was a question on the contingency
that's why that was under there there's
nothing moving from the contingency that
is
a Mr ferar going to look into that and
pass will make U
adjustment or correction
which I would say I'm open to transition
recruitment pardon me transitioning it
to
recruitment rame that okay instead of
taking the 15K out of the budget yes so
we'll just
um he wants to keep keep it 15 but let
it remain in the recruitment fund it's
Ren it okay
and the next one um
a1989
499 ARA the senior centor we are
bringing that to
$60,000 and Mr we're going to ask that
you adjust descriptional line so account
for all four Senor Center to include
connect Center
and
that's increase of
15 it's a senior cent of funding isn't
that was that was that's it it's called
Senior Center Program
yeah we're good with that y I'm good
with that the next one is
83122
d112 we are asking to only Frey line to
by
45
6,161 based on the
2023 yes you have it that's a decrease
of 500,000 from the original from the
original request original
request yeah I I just want to for the
record say that I don't agree with
that Mr William you okay with
this the next one is 8 3123 1112
and they asking May to increase the 2023
time line by 105,000 to bring that to
the
2024 line of 880,000
that's
a, 110,000 Direction in public safety is
to cut over a,1
100,000 out of those things that's what
you're suggesting what I would ask you
to do also is because the p PBA contract
is up at the end of this year so tonight
when you go home send me the number that
I can negotiate with the
PBA again I think that this is kind of
misleading I just have to say because
you're saying is it's word choice you're
saying increase instead of decreasing
what you're really doing is decreasing
over I don't work with everybody you
know any of these decision should take
some CRI and for some people like it the
public discussion over Public Safety
last time so now you're calling it an
increase over last year but it's really
a decrease over what the expected
expenses are going to be for
2024
agreed and I think we should continue to
factor in what the spending has been to to date and so know looking at that
because when when I saw these
suggestions I definitely looked at that
it seems like we're going to be within
that so um you know it's not just for me
anyway I can speak speak for me it's not
just a random like um thought process
it's like let me see what we've done so
far where we are and does this look like
um are within the the amount that's
being suggested so that's how I look at
this OT for
me I was going to ask if any had a
discussion are you okay okay that's
$110,000
decrease less than what was asked less
than it was
asked the next item is
83412
d112 by
F and this one here is a
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$500,000 reduction against the proposed
budget bringing this line to a million 7
7,000 again I go on the record of
protesting that one as well I'd rather
keep it at what the mayor's projected
budget
is any other question on
this are you okay with this yes
good the police review board a 3614
d404 the ask is to increase the fees of
service by 10,000 and reduce the outside
legal council by
10,000 question on
this I mean I'll reiterate that I don't
think they need the outside legal
councel at all um but I do appreciate
the idea of having enough money in the
training line for two people to attend
the conference plus the fee for the
membership but again you guys are voting
but just wanted to be the record so
you're suggesting just to be clear that
we just get rid of the outside the
balance of the outside Council and just
I don't think you need $25,000 there for
legal counsel and so if the um the
$5,000 for the
uh uh what do you call it I think it's
training right on the on the budget so
adding 10 to it was maybe make that one
um 15 maybe make that eight instead of
five
the suggestion was to to increase it by
10 to make it
15 I don't think they need that
much well this year's training is like
3,000 maybe four you said three but I I
was told four and if two people
conceivably went plus the plus the fees
so yeah I can't remember how much the Fe
I'm sorry I can't remember how much the
membership go ahead please so I would
say increasing the the um fees for the
training 15 and based on the mayor and
Mr Colon's um input about the outside
Council out you moving that remaining
balance to
the law department or
just yeah I'm fine to increase the P of
service to 15,000 and remove the outside
counil and that will happen on the other one also that we have um
there's another one uh city
council that's that's a plus 10,000
minus
25,000 the other outside Council was for
city council that I also
thought I don't know where that is oh
it's not on your list it's on my
Z okay so on this
item 836
14-404 the only increase are is the Fe
of Serv is going up to ,000 and we
subtracting
25,000 cor
that's yes we removing the outside legal
council Zer
zero Mr Williams you good with that yes
okay I'm good with
that the next item here is
a5010 100
street department
manager that's the that's the guy with
the
waste 52 and 52 52
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52 no I mean I just you know question
again the 14% increase I understand what
you're saying um you
know
go ahead please yeah Mr Leon has the um
ability in this gentleman or whoever's
going to do the job uh comining 52 and
52,000 and then get rid of a position
for 80 some OD th000 I think it's a good
deal only if a person could manage it
also um and then we have as I understand
it because the mayor always says we do
more with less there are other people
who are doing multiple um things and and
it's I'm not saying there should be no
increase but I believe that 14% is a
significant
increase I don't get to vote either but
there's my
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opinion M suggestion or maybe there's a
compromise and move
forward I would say I'd be open to a
compromise because I understand both
sides I definitely feel the same way
with the 4% increase I being in line
with accepting those du as a manager
however I do understand what Miss uh dor
was also mentioning with that cost
savings don't entirely agree with it I
we're trying to make a
concession so you are in agreement to
this
4% what do that make it in other words
the person's going to be doing two
jobs
what okay four the 4% would be what
45968 we you talking about 40 4% on top
of
that I'm sorry maybe I'm
misunderstanding what you're saying is
it 4% on top of the
88400 no we took that one out that is
way back that's the one there it was
45,000 something and moving up to
52,000 so right but eliminating the 80
something th000
position but originally it was taking
the 88400 I think it was giving it a 4%
increase 88400 uh 91 936 right that's
what it originally was even though they
changed the name it's really the same
dollar amount with a 4% increase as what
it ended up being but now because they
just took it and divide half but now
they want to raise it to
52,000 right from
40 I crusted out but 45 96
yeah $ 6,3
$632 Plus
88400 plus what no the 88400 is going
away gone the 88400 is gone it's going
away the same waste and then the other
one's on um IET page I find it
again so what I'm saying here
3,536 difference what that between the
88400 and the is it
91
936 what's going on
here you have to open your phone yeah I
know I'm trying it won't open maybe
batteries other batteries oh
it's okay so it's on page 41 that he's
taking away the director of solid waste
at
88339 yeah so you got the 88 and making
the director I mean taking away the
title of director Public Works which was
at 45 something and that would also be
52 is my
understanding Sugg yeah over
104,000 we're taking out two
positions you're taking out
88339 and
88400
76,000 739 is is uh the amount that
we're taking out and we're paying
$4,000 so it's a $
72,73
savings so I'd recommend leaving at the
104,000
okay all right I'm good with that you
good with that yep move forward the next
one a 5132 100 remove fle
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manager a a 5132 100 minus
84,000 I suggest that we make note
please
right up
sh any discussion on this will yes I'm
good this the next item is just a
discussion peld right I just wanted to
voice my concerns around that not saying
the position isn't needed but my
concerns for the safety of the
employee go and I would agree with Miss
Porterfield and I don't think you can
put cameras in there watch the gentleman
all night but if something's in place of
an emergency how we can call or maybe
check on every hour I don't know but
again it's a long night um I work a lot
of overnights at one point so but the
position I think that Paul raises here
is very
important and he indicated the person
has to work at night because otherwise
the vehicles are being used or something
during the
day move on the next one is Cas 711 100
direct of parks yeah supposed to just
increase that by 4% over 2022 salary but
then we were told that this individual
is already is already receiving
$80,000 and $80,000 plus the 4%
mhm any discussion so that it is
4%
yes I didn't hear you please so we don't
do anything okay so we're not do
anything for this
item the next one um was a question and
I think this answer is CSA and the $150
per week
cont move on to
a989 d840 employee drop
test and I think we discussed this to
reduce this to
10,000 mhm
the next item was G
81231 and we're good with the
um the adjusted rate of 65
968 M then it's Ferrari
submited over to
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830 5500 yes s
sir we are good to bump that up to
93,000 that's plus
1,64 okay and then we are okay to bomp
the real property analyst to 54,000
that's so plus
244 okay that's a
lot
the other item was just we will follow
that in terms of
legislation the next item is
a430 100 payroll man
iner that's a
3,735 so we okay to move that to
60,000
yes how much was that increase again
3,735
the next item a 14411 100 we took that
out because there
is there is Staffing and the other
um Finance like on the public um
position in a different place yeah which
one's that that a 1441 100 okay it what
are you doing like that
no just a question okay them renaming the um it's a
recruitment fund we got a cover just
changing the description the senior
center we all in agreement to bring that
up to 60,000 so we're adding $115,000 to
that line Y we already did
that already did the cprb too
so we did remove the police review board
outside cons
M are we going to address the city
council outside Council based on what '
heard from Mr
C didn't that down was since we removing
the police review
outside has the capacity
to make that
high I'm just ping it on the table
please I would city council I would like
to for it to remain in the city council
for another
okay the 25,000 remain on that line okay
may I ask why I would say the reasoning
for the civilian for the civilian wow
for the civilian police review board as
they are looking to build up their
members and go to training uh I think it
is smarter for them to utilize that
resource if they should so they're still
in their infantile stages with trying to
meet qu I think within our city Council
we have our seven members we are more
established and I would like to truly
trial this for another year but if we
continue to not use it I'm open to
removing it in
2024 or in
2025 I just again just for the record I
know I don't have a vote but I think
that the idea that we have the external
legal council of if we need external
legal counsel that there's money in the
um Law Department line for external
legal services that would cover
that but I don't have a vote so I just
want to go on the record I say as
council members were making concessions
my concession was dis please read
for any other question on
this yeah we'll keep it and see I'm
going to
keep the next item was is um
G 81201 121 and that one is
good go
back I just want to add one a 8160 100
the other half of the street manager
uhhuh uh it's you know plus $632 to
52,000 that yeah yeah they you because
you passed it as as 104 in total as
opposed to splitting it out
yeah it split out it split out fine so
want to make sure you guys had that only
do to
numbers so we just need to address the
um the vacancies and water no Fe water garbage and then
the executive
session
in regards to the fee I mean we have
some numbers here some adjusted down
some reduction how much of that I mean I
didn't I should have walk in my
calculator that based on those reduction
we've been able to factor in how much of
a with regards to the
fees if we need to
increase but then we'll need overall
PA but the water SW on
garbage and we need to address the
vacancies and
the and the affirmative action what
movement are we going to take for
that oh yes s can you please uh what the
Staffing
oh you need a
c
can you can have a cop
so you doing some cul
yeah can take a break as we wait for
that if you
still beg your pardon we still have to
get those numbers
okay take a break please take a
break
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for
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still
depends on the numb are coming
in
how
hold after a quick
calculation come up with a a reduction
of
1,185
711 can you please repeat that 1
milon1
85711 now that's a quick calculation
over my phone
you know
mhm isn't a
million Tony you guys have a laptop of
remote
connection in
the should it be more than
that cuz we have two big I 500
yeah 110 yeah you need you need a lot so
you you increase the you increase the
budget by
5989 and you reduced it by
1,245 610 so plus and minuses come to
1185 711 like I said again it's uh off
my phone so it's off your phone yeah so
if I got a couple minutes you want to
run down the culations
huh run down right now
that number for
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you can you read this you have you have
it through
right I did not uh uh take out uh water
sore
or waste I mean that's just the what we
want to for so going to bring your live
um Excel she we're gonna come right back
to
next again without
the without water sore are you able to
take do one with it and one without
right yeah now what do you want us to do
with it you mean you want us to take out
the water sore and water sore and you
really do want to
take
okay
these on yeah I can mute it from there
if you want would you
yeah
okay we can still see ourselves yeah are
you going to call Executive session
first did we did no they want to do it
on camera the camera on oh it wasn't on
okay you have to do it again because it
wasn't captured on camera oh motion call
Executive session second all in
favor do we
need
you told me to take out the this one's
what's wrong
oh back
on you have copies of those
for extra do we not I could
yeah
off just got to check double check these
numbers you know like we're doing it on
the
flyer but uh the number added up like
what I said u 1 milon 185 711 that
changes now if we take out the a refuse
and put it back to where it was last
year that's a decrease of 1.7 million so
now we have to either increase revenues
by the difference of
$47,375 or cut expenses by
547 279 that's in the general
fund to do this but we missed one of the
stuff there the
healthare I wish you had a laptop you
got to walk back and forth
healthare we have this one of the the
points here in terms of the
14% overall increase forus a 6 to 8% uh
yeah Trend you saw you saw what says we
try to keep
it you know cuz we we're coming off the
co now this is when everybody's going to
start hitting the doctors going to
doctors and getting all the procedures
done you know that's that's one of the
main things too like I say it's all
about the
increasing uh P people that are working
for
us all that I think you make a big
mistake if
you would it be I mean safer to I mean I
say what com over to bring that
10% I mean 2% over overall going to end
up being3
million out of budget over over budget
that just in that one line you know for
no if you look at the TR
6 so just think 10
10% I'm saying we have a professional
analysis at
14% CH me walking no that's okay right
go ahead well I was going to say that I
mean we hire somebody to give us a
professional analysis of what we do
every year um I would prefer to trust
that person's work those she's
conservative too I
am I I mean I don't I don't think we
should be messing with healthare for
emplo I mean look
last everybody you're going to get some
savings from
this EXC the 2023 savs I think so
I think we're going to either be zero or
we're going to over budget maybe a small
amount I can send you our our analysis
that we did just recently for the rest
of the
year in in terms of the Staffing and we
can go back to the the ones that is it
any way that these can be separated so
to look at the one that is carried from 2022
2023 and then the ones that we proposed
to add only
2024 we have to see if our HR envirment
can separate yeah we'll take a look
we'll see what we can do yeah I can't do
it tonight no no no just separate them
so we looked at how the trend I mean
Department are not
actually you know make that effort to
hire why keep carrying it from year to
year because we know that there's a
department that you
know
Mr Mudan are you are you looking are you
expect trying to like take those out of
the budget tonight or well we we would
have to get a number we can't just pull
the the title out without not getting a
overall cost including the salary and fr
benefit and we need to separate it based
on the um the historic
call have we been carrying out from is
the r are you looking for how many
years well I mean
should go back
to 21 22
23 and see how how he's been trending
how's been rolling for the last two
years without being filled
and what is being added into the new
ones that being added into 2024 budget
new
positions position we will need overall
cost including salary plus
the and we're scooting fire
in
yes not yes excl police yes they as to
stay put on
that all other
departments and that's including our
prop position that is MHM
currently there going to go
water yeah sure um this is just a
snapshot of what would happen if we take
out the
increases um throughout water uh FX
you're looking at approximately 883
th000 uh deficit if you look at sewer uh
without those increases looking at a
point $2.5 million deficit
this is a small amount but I I do want
to ask what is this fx22 2410 rental of
real
property uh is that a
revenue is that a revenue line the
rental R
rer that's a yearly that's but you he
pays for a
year when's the last time we increased
that um when you moved
there it was 300 ra
500 that's
low especially based on Market rents
around
here it's very
low some of that you he mows the grass
does other things so these other kind of
factors in
the council if you want to look at that
more than open to
discussing well I just I don't know
anybody's rent that state 500 or or
whatever the rent is like for year to year and it's a low rent I've
never been there I don't know what it
looks like but it's still low
so the official residents of the council
pres h no it's in Nuna then You' get rid
of me oh come on the Sor
residence you can s you can live in and
serry so I just you know I mean I didn't
know what it was for but I see that it's
been basically consistent actually wait
when how come it was so low one
year why is it why was it so low in
22 what in 2022 why was it so
low
see it actual May so he wasn't living
there I don't know the answer that that
doesn't make
sense all right but anyway I know I
think it's worth considering increasing
it it's not like he doesn't get to raise
every
year increase it by $883,000
yes I think that works
perfectly just the benefit of a position
it it's a very good benefit and it's not
a benefit that we're raising and he gets
a salary every year and I guarantee you
there's other people would love to live
in there for $500 Igloo or not I I just
like will you offer free housing well we
should throw it out there for for every
employee and said would you like to live
here for for for 500 I guarantee we get
some takers and they cut the
grass so how are we seing here because
if they have to go through this entire
chart and figure out all oh my go
changes we're not going to be able to
vote on this on I don't even think
that's 500 Grand there you cut all these
jobs or something think that's
500,000 we're not going to cut all these
jobs
okay I was going to do the calculation
let me just ask you so the difference
here right now it's -4
547 yeah if you don't if you don't uh
you don't raise the waste you keep waste
the same which I think you're Mak a big
mistake so so if you keep the the water
and S the same oh water SW and garbage
the
same but if you look at water and
83,000 deficit 2.5
million spok to you about water garbage
we only have the
water you got waste too different she G
is on the general fund
here and plus us sear you general fund
shows you know we're going to lower the
budget by 1732
million so there a couple things that we
need to address this is avable night has
to do with the water SE and
garbage and then the stop the vacancies
so those are like four items that we
need to address
Friday we need s have you called for the
meeting yes sir so we have to have it
right wrong as far as
the
positions you have Mr colon here I mean
just looking at you I mean have have
these positions been open for quite a
while in your office do you need all
these positions I mean do we call the
department heads back in and ask them to
explain why these positions are
needed so there's
one the mayor's budgets uh gets
eliminates one current assistant
Corporation C
position that's not accounted for here
all right because it's there are three
open
positions in the 23 budget one position
is eliminated in The mer proposed budget
for 24 um we had a per DM attorney
position at. five filled for the 23
budget it's nowos budget one position we
have two full time two part time per DS
right um so he limited one assistant
Corporation Council now if you want my
two sents on it yeah I think the council
already knows that I've had a difficult
time trying to fill one assistant
Corporation Council position let alone
too right you
know you know if you if the council was
to propose eliminating another assistant
Corporation Council position and leaving
one in there you
know does it make it more difficult of
course but I'm having a tough time just
Shing one
position and you
know it's you know it it makes the work
more difficult we're still always trying
to hire you know we've had interviews
and and so forth and stress housing is
still our biggest
issue you we're beefing up code
enforcement we need more people in the
Law Department forward I thrown out the
roughly $7.5 million in AR money you
know big number deficit it's not that
insurmountable you know if you look at
our foreclosure process and stuff for uh
you know this time we took a little over
100 houses or properties in uh it's
probably going to be equal to that next
year you know in the sales price of
those is going up so if we have 100
houses if we can turn those over if the
market stays the same where you look
looking at let say $50,000 a house that
becomes a little over $5
million is a potential Revenue source
and those are the things that drop your
police costs that drop the other costs
that uh allow us to balance the budget
so
uh you know I don't want those positions
limited I want to given the opportunity
to fill them
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okay I think we can uh we can conclud
this so we have we'll have to recess
reconvene on
Friday address this
um this few
items hopefully we can get something
tomorrow but then we'd have to not vote
on Friday right well we have to the
meeting well you can just move it to
Monday to Monday right we can back for
another discussion vac
vacancies hope so if you can just spread
it out and see how the trend is going
2021 2 3 and then all the new hires that
is proposed until next year but i' like
you also look at the the trend we showed
you for the cost of waste if you don't
raise it I want I want you to see what
that cost is like by doing what you're
doing the waste department itself is
going to be losing a million dollars and
I'm just saying you're I I know it's not
of business we're public servicer but
we're not doing anything for our our
public by uh losing million
dollars yeah I I definitely would keep
the water sewering uh waste fees as
suggested in this budget
because otherwise we have a huge
hold going
forward looking for the
future okay so we'll get those stuff
we we can
follow tomorrow we have everything
almost
everything all right and then and then
Friday we would just be having another
discussion with the idea that we'd vote
on Monday no you have to vote our
committee first well we'll see how it
goes so it was called for a council
meeting on Friday yeah yes not a
committee right we called a special
council meeting to vote out the budget
that's what was called out for
Friday
we want to can't can't complete this
tonight who you talking about who you
talking to Anthony well the reality is
we're going to spin in Wheels I'm going
to send them home put it together
tomorrow and have it to the council
so if we we give a thing with the jobs
that's not enough to do
anything money to P the
Ws If you eliminate the fees If you
eliminate the fees
yeah unless you want to raise
taxes what is our um General Reserve
25 15 don't you want to save that for
2025 going to
be2 million deficit well I'm just saying
I mean we're going to have to make up
the money that we're
using I don't think this is the year to
take reserves start increasing rates now
we have a home right now so we need to fill
the move move to our fill increase
R we're going to increase our Revenue
mayor said the budget the budget as
presented has no
hold 7.4 million into next year for next
year
now this budget does not have a whole if
we don't address it I'll start now what
I just outline over $5 million of that
theoretical Financial
number that say that again repeat
that I justy the scenario it generates
$5 million in Revenue have to do that
it's what we have been doing and it's
what we have to continue to do going
for
I terms of we didn't call for us me what
we we did we called for a council
meeting on Friday Friday yes so what
what's you can recess the committee
meeting Friday yes um the council
meeting up what time 5:00 5:00 I would
say reset
the committee meeting to before the
council meeting and just postpone the
beginning of the council meeting to
after the
committee
okay so we'll move to Res set the
finance committee for this Friday before
the special city council
meeting second all in
favor so
but
I'm hungry my Sal place is closed all
right am I right I think an hour too
long I think but I'll be all right
okay so Anthony Anthony can I just ask a
quick question or or D so what this
means is we make the changes that the
council wanted to make take out the fees
that would oh and take out the fees then
we're down
1.85 right no you
guys