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just a clarification of this sheet

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here let me discuss 551 instead of

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541 547 521 we putting back 5,000 in you

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put 5,000 in drug testing I had taken

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out 10,000 5,000 I was told it should

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I'm open for discussion with regards to

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I didn't grab anything from my Note

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there wasn't anything

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okay I just wanted to update it because

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like yesterday we did it late at night

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and there was a couple differences

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you Mr

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chair Marino had some conversation with

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members of the council he unfortunately

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is at a working fire now on S

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Street being told it's under control and

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he'll be here as soon as he can but had

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a conversation with Mr Williams where

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you might be willing to

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reconsider the allocation of reduction

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in overtime within the fire department

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is that something you're looking at no

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I'm not aware of

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wait till the chief gets here and

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reiterate his conversation Mr Williams

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you want to our thoughts on that

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or I would say not at this moment

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okay so the question uh on on the reason

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why we have this here is that members

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want to look at the vacant position over

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the period of 2021

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2022 and

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2023 and for ask a question as to why

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these position have been rolling over

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from 2021 to 2022 2023 and that being

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full and if there what is the reason

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that we should carry it into

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2024 and the question was

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asked since we are facing a deficit of 7

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potential deficit of 7.4

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million why are we adding several new

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position into the 2024

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budg so those are the questions I was

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asked and we receive the the documents

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here so I will open for discussion

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regarding but again Mr

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chairman the budget I presented to you

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does not project any deficit for next

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year you're extrapolating things into

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I'm using your War you saying that we

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are facing in 2025 a 7.4 million

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shortfall there's a gap in the revenue

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but I've also outline scenarios for if

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you'd like to look to adapt two budgets

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tonight with both the 24 and the

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25 but don't we look ahead when we're

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doing budget we do yes so that's that's

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why we're here to look at these here and

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to see how we these are positions that

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recommended to be within the budget and

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again we've gone through a period I've

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been subject some criticism for not

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filling

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positions we went through a period with

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Co where the Civil Service Commission in

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fact shut down didn't offer a

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test uh there of recruitment issues not

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only for City's conect but businesses in

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its entirety we're rebounding back from

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that and again look to be able to staff

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those departments in an adequate and

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fair manner to be able to deliver

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Services people want and

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need goe please if I can add uh as I was

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looking over the current vacancies that

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we were received uh definitely thank you

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to the um Department of Finance for

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providing this information to us um what

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I took into consideration when I was

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evaluating what positions to consider to

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not fund I was uh referencing in

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referencing individual positions that

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were vacant for an extended number of

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years and I think as we look forward to

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how do we sta City Hall correctly uh or

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effectively it's also understanding do

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we have the right amount of jobs but do

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we have the right jobs and I think

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previously as we were discussing with

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the law Department uh as um Mr Cen so

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passionately tries to find uh attorneys

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uh if you cannot find that position or

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that role how can you replace it or what

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alternative means do you have available

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to you hence us reviewing the uh

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incorporation of a pargal uh so as I

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went through this uh spreadsheet I

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identified some U lines that were vacant

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for for two to three years and of those

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was the code enforcement officer uh the

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assistant to the city engineer the

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junior civil engineer the payroll audit

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clerk which the mayor um highlighted as

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he would be not in in favor of not

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funding the assistant Corporation

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Council uh I highlighted one Meo for

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streets uh two from the water

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maintenance workers and one from the

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water treatment plant instrumentation

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Specialists and again that's taken to

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consideration just extended vacancy

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positions for uh the majority of those

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have been vac for 3

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years just I just want to ask on the

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payroll AO cler that was always filled

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and the person had just had left this

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time this year we're just waiting for

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the test results to fill it okay well we

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definitely need that position well

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correction that was on the mayor's

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spreadsheet that we had in front of

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us

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that

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I correction it's

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not Mr go ahead please well I just want

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to point out that um a couple of the

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years that we had bacing positions those

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were uh coid years and um I think it

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probably was difficult to find staffing

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uh during coid um but I do think that if

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the staff and the mayor if the

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department heads and the mayor have

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requested these positions um again I

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think there's probably a need for the

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positions um and I think that we should

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continue trying to recruit for them

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especially in light of you know there

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has been uh conversation around the fact

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that perhaps we were under staffed um

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within City Hall so but I mean I think

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it was probably difficult for many

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people to recruit um adequate Staffing

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during Co which is the previous two

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years that you're looking at on the spr

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Mr Willam can you please go through back

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those those that you highlighted so you

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can have a record of it you are

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highlighting that was one code

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enforcement officer hold on hold

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on

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okay the assistant to the city

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engineer the junior civil

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engineer the assistant Corporation

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councel one hold on yes Corporation

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yes one m e o m for

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streets two for the water maintenance

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worker and one Water Treatment Plant

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instrumentation specialist you're saying

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water maintenance worker

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one uh5 corre no no under the water can you repeat that is water

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maintenance worker there for uh two

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workers and the water treatment plan

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instrumentation

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specialist can can I just mention

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something about that uh that is new part

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of the or new water system and our

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source system uh it's actually a brand

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new uh system uh controlled by computers

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rather Valves and stuff we I think Paul

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I don't think he's not here tonight is

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he he is here Paul about instrumen

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special have we started even

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interviewing people for did and we

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actually offered the offered that

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position to somebody and the next day

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she declined after she gave her notice

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to her company because they gave her

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better

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offer but that's a necessary position

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right especially for the future okay

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it's one person two jobs it's a highly

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Technical and specialized position it's

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to skate a system to manage that systems

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we upgrade the uh automation of it and

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maintain the high quality of water that

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we provide for the city

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yes if I if I can ask one person two

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jobs want to make sure right so I guess

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my next question would be who is

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performing that role of those duties

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right now we contracted up and there's a

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ticket if they can get there they get

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there they can't when they show up they

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show up and it is vital because it is

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our water system and it is the skate

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assistance to the seage treatment so it

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is V so we are at their Mercy when they

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want to show up to do the

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job so right now we have four vacancies

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there where according to the sheet it's

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four vacancies for the water maintenance

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worker any water maintenance worker

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yes yes so there four vacancies I think

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one was filled recently maybe last week

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so we interview constantly because there

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a requirement to have a CDL CDLs are

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very hard to

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so if you you know we've been always

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actively looking for meos in the street

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department or water store maintenance

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workers because they are required to

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have a cdlp license Drive our

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equipment thank

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you and did you had any um comments on

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so the so

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fund uh none for sewer but um adding the

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cumulative uh cost savings for those

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positions in total would equate to half

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million

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doll go ahead please this one did not

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make the list but I really you know

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discussed a lot so I just would like to

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revisit it um the mechanic

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one uh which is a new position um I re I

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reviewed what we've been spending and so

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on the outside that are not we've spent

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$612,000 so um this again was a position

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that this person we had loan so I really

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recommend we remove that and figure out

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how to if we're Contracting how get

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people to do that work within the hours

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where the vehicles are not being used um

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I have a lot of concerns about this

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individual working on their own um and

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you know with the emergency lift and all

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of that and with all of the other

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garages that we're using I would

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recommend that we look at one of the

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garages to be able to do the work

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outside of working hour that our people

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um our staff needs a

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car just speaking on this sheet here yes

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but I add it's not on the sheet but it's

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making that

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recommendation it was uh something that

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we we discussed last buet meeting go

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ahead please yes and I I thought we were

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kind of all in agreeance of of keeping

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that gentleman and and coming up with

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some type of protocol or safety issues

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uh for for whomever is going to take

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that position and I'd like to keep

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employing uh residents of the city so I

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I'd like to at least keep that in there

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as as well as I revie the the amount of

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money that we're been spending I changed

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my position and we don't know that the

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person's going to be resident of the

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city we hope so well we would hope so

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yes go ahead please U may I ask Mr

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leonda questions um I thought that we

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actually had a person in

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that that position is new um and that is

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so there we can do the work at the off

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hours when Vehicles aren being used to

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utilize a garage I don't know most

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garages that are open till 10:00 shut

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down so our cars would be tied up for

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the next day and would be no vehicle for

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somebody to use

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um and this is this encompasses all of

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our vehicles right so it might it might

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include a police vehicle the the

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maintenance account encompasses

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everything whether it's fire vehicles

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whether it's police vehicles whether

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it's s it's every vehicle within the

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city is connected so

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um I don't you know we may find it a

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little difficult finding a garage that

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will perform the basic maintenance for

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us after work hours they may I don't

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think it'll be at the the rate that they

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normally

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charge so it's one person so they

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they're not even though it's overnight I

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know how many vehicles they could do and

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what I thought you explain to us was

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that it's basically basic maintenance

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like oil changes and those kind of

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things so uh if we close it for you know

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not to have to get to the weeds here but

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if we close a for there are garages that

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close later and if that's not the case

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it certainly um contract with them you

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know work through that because we are

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spending a lot of money right now on

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garages we have a lot of vehicles lot

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money and if we want to move those

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Vehicles when our shift ends at three

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we'll have to

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physically move those cars to the

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dealerships and they get a ride back

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home too so the work day won't be an 8

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hour day we have to move those vehicles

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that are going to be being performed

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maintenance on sometime during the day

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and have somebody follow them out and

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bring them back so and left there and go

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get that vehicle again the next day or

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before the workers return in the

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morning how many vehicles do you

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anticipate one person would be able to

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do overnight

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alone there for 8 hours they can do oil

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changes and they can do the the um the

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liquid check the liquid levels and do

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tire changes and they can do you know

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normal oil change you know you probably

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do sever at night right there for eight

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hours the hours would be

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three 10 two two to 10 sorry our

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over I still would like to see if you

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could figure out a way for us to do that

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with with in house we were spending a

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lot of money on garages already and you

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add position which um again for me it's

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kind of a kind of touchy to have that

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one person doing all that so that's

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right um go ahead but with respect

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wouldn't we be spending more money in

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the garages than what we're currently

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spending if we had to not have that

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position in this person inhouse doing

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work as opposed to sending more cars out

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to garages I'm not really understanding

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um I well first my M my first of all my

348
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major concern is that we have an

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individual overnight working with

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equipment flammable things Etc on their

351
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own working with a lift we and so I'm

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saying that if we if we want to do it

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then we should have a rotating shift of

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someone else coming in if that's a

355
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possibility or we have another garage

356
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and not have this in the budget but I am

357
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adamant about having that individual

358
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working alone um in a condition I think

359
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is pretty dangerous um

360
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overnight

361
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and depending on seasonal nature we do

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staff that facility sometimes 24 hours

363
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sometimes in the evening so that this

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particular one is talking about being

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assigned uh latitude but there would be

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other people within the

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facility so the other people in the

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facility couldn't do any of this

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work it's a union it's it's specific to

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the Operating

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Engineers to the what operating

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engineers so the other people in there

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would not be in the same categories that

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you

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saying the heavy equipment governs heavy

376
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equipment operators local 158

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mechanics

378
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1037 so we have um two three other

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people in that c four actually in that

380
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category and you're saying and one of

381
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them is the new one so you're saying

382
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that the other three people could not do

383
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any of that work the other three that

384
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are at the bureau service do do that

385
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work they also do more mechanical work

386
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they do BR they do Airlines hydraulic

387
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lines this position is a different title

388
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would be more of the basic oil changes

389
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on a lot of the police cars the uh

390
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medium duty trucks and the heavy duty

391
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trucks um heavy duty trucks can not take

392
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it into a jippy Lube or a valine they

393
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have to go to International or

394
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car

395
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dealership um we start bringing all our

396
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vehicles to JY

397
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Bo I'm not asking you that but I am

398
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asking you if if the other people that

399
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are here could do some of the work and I

400
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think your answer was yes yes they do

401
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some of the work but they're also doing

402
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the more mechanical

403
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work keep the this is more of the basic

404
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maintenance that you do on oil changes

405
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wiper blades tail lights directionals

406
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not any more heavier mechanical work

407
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that's why it's a different rate any

408
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other mechanics thank

409
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[Applause]

410
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you Mr F recently we um we res sended

411
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the $2.5 million to the Aquatic Center

412
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funding correct I would like to throw

413
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that out to the table here that this is

414
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the right time for us to to consider

415
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using that that $2.5 million that is not

416
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considered in this budget and I would

417
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like to open it for discussion in terms

418
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of how we can able to bring that in here

419
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and to help us offset some of

420
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these pleas push around

421
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here open for discussion with my my

422
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members it was up to me I take more

423
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money have art use it for the fundings

424
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you for uh all the all the you know

425
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water wells and stuff that are about to

426
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be working on can we use it for this

427
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budget stuff um I think I think we have

428
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budgeted if you look at the budget 68

429
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million 6.6 6.6 6.6 our M already in the

430
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budget I and then we we're using 7 792

431
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as a as a right that was balance of yeah

432
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that we had left over so we we have that

433
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$2.5 million do we have any more that is

434
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unallocated uh I I know that the only

435
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other amount was unallocated was 750,000

436
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but I know that that's M wants to Beed

437
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thing is

438
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Right St we

439
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already we already allocated that so

440
00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:06,559
that's the only one that I know

441
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of go ahead please I think I'd like to

442
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wait until we see what happens with um

443
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there's projects that have contingencies

444
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on them so we might be getting funds

445
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back from ARA as it is if those

446
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organizations can't um meet the

447
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contingencies so I think I'd rather keep

448
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um you know see what happens when we

449
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look at the arer overall

450
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yeah I think we're going to get back

451
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some funding because some of these

452
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agencies is not going to meet their

453
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requirement extend them to give them a

454
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the last yeah and it's pretty much going

455
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to come back in to help us so then we

456
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can look sort of big picture at so I

457
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think this 2.5 million right for us to

458
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tap into and help us with the

459
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,360
budget I'd rather wait but so so were

460
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you saying you don't want to use it we

461
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already took the two point we had to

462
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resend the 2 million because that

463
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project move forward yeah I mean we

464
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don't know if there's going to be other

465
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needs going forward so I'd rather look

466
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at the whole picture but I don't know

467
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look to see what other people

468
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think I know that um we've gotten

469
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another application uh we to look at for

470
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um Holy Cross Holy Name of Jesus for

471
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their basketball court so there are

472
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people uh because of the exceptions

473
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we're making on these arpa applications

474
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extending things there are people who

475
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put an initial uh AR applications that

476
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are looking to get refunded

477
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again um I'm open to you the 2.5 it was

478
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we had already allocated to a project

479
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and so I'm opening if if it can help

480
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this budget to to move that money into

481
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this go ahead please yet I would have to

482
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Echo that sentiment I think we've all

483
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heard on this table and also throughout

484
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the community uh the frustration with

485
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the concept of considering projects that

486
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were submitted after the fact I know

487
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that there have been talks of a

488
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potential a new facility being developed

489
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but I think since that hasn't been a

490
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point of conversation here at the table

491
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I think before us U Mr unar highlighted

492
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that there was an additional $2.5

493
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million I think as we evaluate what best

494
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to do to position the city uh I think

495
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that I would be very very much

496
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considerate of applying that to this

497
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year's

498
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budget go ahead please um Mr Williams so

499
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you were probably the the biggest

500
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proponent of um a second issue um right

501
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along so are you no longer in favor of

502
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that or um for people to reapply again

503
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for other the funding I would say thank

504
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you for bringing that up I think part of

505
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being a council member is understanding

506
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that at this table conversations change

507
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and your positions evolve I think

508
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recognizing that we all have a very uh our very strong positions and I think

509
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if I'm trying to sit here to work

510
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collaboratively that is something that

511
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I'm willing to push forward as an option

512
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to put forth a budget that I could

513
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support the

514
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city yeah I'm in favor fav of using this

515
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$2.5 million to help us because he's the

516
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burden on us in terms of looking where

517
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we can find additional funding and this

518
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money is available for us to use so

519
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let's use it I think it's the reason why

520
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it's

521
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there and we should be fortunate that we

522
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were able to resend it and have it ready

523
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for us to use at the right

524
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time unless Mr Ferrari has any

525
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AR

526
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funding only thing I know we have to

527
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wait down of the year to see if there's

528
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any left that we have budgeted for this

529
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year um and it's really up to you guys

530
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about we sending the pl going forward

531
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for going forward uh and that 2.5

532
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,159
million it's you know I just want to say

533
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uh if you looked at our water and sore

534
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,960
our our sore fund is 2.5 million off I

535
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,799
have no problem using AR money for water

536
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and sore infrastructure which which is

537
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exactly what intended to be used for and

538
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,399
that's exactly why I pull that because

539
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looking at the report that you provided

540
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you and D provided right away at that

541
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funding $2.5 million fitting right there

542
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and then had a conversation with you

543
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today I was fortunate to have that in

544
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terms of where is this $2.5 million and

545
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can be

546
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used where is it no no that's why I

547
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asked

548
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sorry no I was just making a statement

549
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sorry no we know where it is

550
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yeah so can I have a consensus on the

551
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,710
finance committee so let moving

552
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,039
forward no no okay I'm in favor of

553
00:26:55,039 --> 00:26:57,360
utilizing the $2.5 million to help us

554
00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:58,240
push

555
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:03,080
this will we use that strictly for what

556
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,159
well well we have we have three I think

557
00:27:06,159 --> 00:27:09,320
the water fund the general

558
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,520
fund go ahead I I think that you're

559
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,240
trying to circumvent the discussion

560
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,440
about whether we're going to have the

561
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,159
fee increases that are part of the

562
00:27:16,159 --> 00:27:17,520
budget I don't know I'm just saying I

563
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:18,960
mean should we have that discussion

564
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,600
before you make any decision about us I

565
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,159
think we left the meeting I think we

566
00:27:24,159 --> 00:27:27,200
left the meeting last meeting with um

567
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,200
not in favor of winning

568
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,799
please well the finance committee yes um

569
00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:35,279
I think that you yeah no I don't think

570
00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:37,960
you had a chance to voice any opinion on

571
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,159
that the other night but this is just

572
00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:42,960
pushing it down the road it's not doing

573
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,559
anything it's the same nonsense that was

574
00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:52,200
last year with the arpa money we saw the deficit last year nothing was

575
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,600
done all these positions were we have to

576
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,080
have them we have to have them we have

577
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,080
to have them them now all of a sudden we

578
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,559
don't need

579
00:28:01,559 --> 00:28:05,720
them so this does nothing except extend

580
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,120
the problem down the road and makes it

581
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:12,149
even

582
00:28:12,159 --> 00:28:14,519
bigger M far to answer to your question

583
00:28:14,519 --> 00:28:15,960
with regards where do we use it I mean

584
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,880
that is up to you where you drop into

585
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,240
and use it because we're looking at a

586
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,320
2.5 8883 well let's chairman with all

587
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,440
due respect I submitted a

588
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,120
budget developed by the department heads

589
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:33,000
put in position it's now city council if

590
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,279
you're

591
00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:37,200
again used a convoluted process of the

592
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,640
allocation of the arpa money to begin

593
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,240
with you didn't rely on professional

594
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,240
staff for input and Analysis it's why we

595
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,080
have projects out there that are

596
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,840
underfunded and are going to be in

597
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,039
ability to complete on time or within

598
00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:54,720
budget and this just becomes a charade

599
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,240
that's really an embarrassment in the

600
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:04,950
overall fiscal position in the

601
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,519
city go ahead please well I'd say to Mr

602
00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:09,440
Pal's comments I would have appreciated

603
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,039
hearing those the day that we had the

604
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:13,440
discussion but I did not forever reason

605
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,279
you were not present uh I would say to

606
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:18,720
the mayor's Point uh collaborative

607
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,360
government is what I learned in school

608
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:21,640
and what I was looking forward to being

609
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,000
a part of uh it seems as if this year it

610
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,720
has been very one-sided so say based on

611
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,840
the motion that I put forward someone

612
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:35,720
has to respond correct Mr M yes so

613
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,159
response hey I made a motion and I

614
00:29:39,159 --> 00:29:41,360
didn't know if anyone responded

615
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:48,110
to yes I

616
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,559
second do you want to go back through

617
00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:56,310
question do you want to go back to

618
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,509
the

619
00:29:59,519 --> 00:30:01,919
well everybody can read so I think we're

620
00:30:01,919 --> 00:30:04,679
pretty well set as to what's on the

621
00:30:04,679 --> 00:30:07,559
chart I said everybody can read the

622
00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:11,880
vacancy we don't need a report as to no no no no no I asked I asked Mr

623
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,200
William he made

624
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,880
some he made some suggestion here we

625
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,440
don't have so I ask him to go through

626
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,120
that he already did yes so we can

627
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,279
highlight it and see where we stands of

628
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:30,070
do we keep this position and do we uh

629
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,399
that is my

630
00:30:32,399 --> 00:30:34,840
question so basically what you're asking

631
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,960
is whether we want to eliminate um a

632
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,000
code enforcement officer an assistant to

633
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,240
the city engineer a junior civil

634
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,120
engineer assistant Corporation

635
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,279
Council some meos which we yeah okay one

636
00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:52,200
Meo which we really know we need um two

637
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,559
Water Maintenance workers um and the

638
00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:56,440
water treatment plant instrumentation

639
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:57,760
specialist those

640
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,039
that's what you're trying to eliminate

641
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:01,480
right now I would

642
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,679
say please I would say based on the

643
00:31:03,679 --> 00:31:05,600
information that we received I went

644
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,519
through this spreadsheet and identified

645
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:09,360
positions that I thought would be open

646
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,679
for consideration up to this point we

647
00:31:11,679 --> 00:31:13,039
have only heard from a portion of our

648
00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:14,639
council members since I've have

649
00:31:14,639 --> 00:31:16,519
specified individual positions we have

650
00:31:16,519 --> 00:31:19,000
heard from a number of our department uh

651
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,600
staff which I appreciate your feedback

652
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,720
to make sure that our actions are well

653
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,240
reflecting of the needs of your

654
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,639
departments um however we can at the

655
00:31:27,639 --> 00:31:30,120
direction of Mr mavian we can go through

656
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,159
line by line and see if individuals feel

657
00:31:32,159 --> 00:31:34,320
comfortable moving forward with that uh

658
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:41,509
but I presented

659
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:43,880
options I me I already said what I

660
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,679
thought I did

661
00:31:45,679 --> 00:31:48,679
I I think you did too

662
00:31:48,679 --> 00:31:53,279
yeah okay so Mr you want to

663
00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:55,840
each I just goad

664
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,399
please so the code enforcement officer

665
00:31:58,399 --> 00:32:00,600
I'm not in favor of that I have to say

666
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,710
and based on

667
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:09,159
um the description by Mr

668
00:32:09,159 --> 00:32:13,200
um Mr lefon I would be in favor of one

669
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,480
of those

670
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,840
positions um and I just want to be clear

671
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,200
M these are we received positions that

672
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,480
you had originally taken out of the

673
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,120
budget as

674
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,559
well in the final budget they were not

675
00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:27,760
included I didn't personally take some

676
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,080
of those out department heads reviewing

677
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,960
their actual staffing needs and again

678
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,000
coming up with a number that uh help the

679
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:42,950
tax levy at as lowest

680
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,440
possible go ahead please well we have

681
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,559
several engineering positions that

682
00:32:47,559 --> 00:32:50,880
aren't filled for many years I would be

683
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,399
okay with cutting those and putting that

684
00:32:53,399 --> 00:32:56,320
money back into both the uh fire and

685
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,080
police overtime but in some of those

686
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,519
positions we have used that money to

687
00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:05,799
hire outside firms to do the work that

688
00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:07,799
would have been done by engineering

689
00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:11,480
staff then we keep that amount then cut

690
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:20,149
the rest and put it towards the overtime

691
00:33:20,159 --> 00:33:23,360
budgets uh our chief engineer he already

692
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,000
removed a couple of um positions from

693
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,840
his budget when it was submitted so what

694
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,600
we're seeing here is what was pass his

695
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,679
submission so there are already I

696
00:33:33,679 --> 00:33:34,799
believe one and a half positions that

697
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:40,669
were

698
00:33:40,679 --> 00:33:42,200
move

699
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,760
will yes just looking for a point of

700
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,120
clarity um Mr Mayor to your point uh

701
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,600
positions that are unfilled those

702
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,480
departments are able to utilize those

703
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,679
vacant funds for the best needs of that

704
00:33:52,679 --> 00:33:54,080
department is that

705
00:33:54,080 --> 00:34:06,269
correct yes thank you

706
00:34:06,279 --> 00:34:10,440
the F saying to REM all the funds fromer

707
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,560
just oh whatever it is that they

708
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,639
Outsource to get the job done keep that

709
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:18,639
allocation and then move the rest of the

710
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:22,000
positions away and be in mind also they

711
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,480
have a line for fees of service that

712
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,159
they also tap into well if he hasn't

713
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:26,679
filled them in three years and it's not

714
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:27,560
that

715
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,679
difficult you just go to RPI you can

716
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:31,480
contact Clarks and you want to fill the

717
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,480
positions you probably

718
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,919
could again he he removed one and a half

719
00:34:35,919 --> 00:34:37,960
out of his budget for this year was from

720
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,200
4.5 to three so part of that has already

721
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,000
been done and if we're going to be

722
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,440
consistent with that then we have to be

723
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,639
consistent as we look at all the line

724
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:48,280
items to say they also haven't been

725
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,760
filled in three years that's going to be

726
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,720
the Matrix is we're going to use pleas

727
00:34:53,720 --> 00:34:57,160
again that speaks to my point of this is

728
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:58,800
what the department heads what we have

729
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,839
in this document is what the department

730
00:35:00,839 --> 00:35:03,119
heads have suggested for their Staffing

731
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:04,960
so that's right what Miss Porterfield is

732
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,920
saying is we do have already the

733
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,079
knowledge of what the head engineer has

734
00:35:11,079 --> 00:35:13,880
suggested so why fool around anymore

735
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,680
with any of the other Staffing and that

736
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,480
would be consistent across the budget

737
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,359
that this is what the department heads

738
00:35:19,359 --> 00:35:23,359
have said um and again to your point I'm

739
00:35:23,359 --> 00:35:25,119
waiting for that conversation about the

740
00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:26,480
overtime but I don't want to cut

741
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,680
anything from you know I hear what

742
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,440
you're saying you're trying to

743
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,960
hopefully go ahead of that discussion

744
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,560
but I mean hopefully when we get to that

745
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,400
discussion we can resolve that issue as

746
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,800
well yeah but to add to Mr P any point

747
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,480
this this has been over for several

748
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,040
years vacant and as long as we've been

749
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,359
in the council here we have seen that

750
00:35:46,359 --> 00:35:48,560
this trend moving from year to year

751
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,680
being vacant yes we utilize all the

752
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,880
money to offet consultant and others but

753
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,319
are we utilizing all this money and

754
00:35:56,319 --> 00:35:59,720
we're using it then parli recommend see

755
00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:01,680
what we need move it into the P service

756
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,520
line and

757
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,680
then you know add address some of the uh

758
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,599
the

759
00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:10,680
funding I think I think that's what the

760
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,680
discussion is about on this sheet here

761
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,960
is about the funding position is vacant

762
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,920
over this last couple

763
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,880
years why

764
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,880
continue if we have to move them in the

765
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,599
Fe of service line let's move some there

766
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:24,400
and

767
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,319
then zero all the rest into the

768
00:36:28,319 --> 00:36:30,960
general and then if I may these are

769
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,640
difficult conversations to have but

770
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,839
truly this is what our entire country is

771
00:36:34,839 --> 00:36:36,800
dealing with there's no industry that is

772
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,599
exempt from making these same type of

773
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:41,079
decisions and this is our responsibility

774
00:36:41,079 --> 00:36:43,000
to evaluate this based on the input

775
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,040
we're receiving to make sure we're

776
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,520
adjusting and making sure we're the best

777
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,079
position as a

778
00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:53,319
city your position is not to consider

779
00:36:53,319 --> 00:36:57,400
any then I respect that um but I'm just

780
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,000
trying to look at the trends and see if

781
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:09,150
there are any cost

782
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,520
savings you want to keep going on on the

783
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:25,589
audience want to

784
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:30,230
suggest

785
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:31,520
did you have

786
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,560
something so we going one by one yeah

787
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,000
that's why keep going to the one that

788
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,839
you suggested and let's um move on that

789
00:37:39,839 --> 00:37:42,480
see yep the assistant the city engineer

790
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,319
the junior civil

791
00:37:44,319 --> 00:37:46,920
engineer uh the assistant Corporation

792
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,359
councel one Meo for

793
00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:54,309
streets uh the two Water Maintenance

794
00:37:54,319 --> 00:37:56,960
workers and I think if hearing the com

795
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,680
from Mr Le i' to removing the L

796
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,920
treatment plan instrumentation

797
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,240
specialist pardon me removing it from

798
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:09,550
your list remove from your

799
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,200
list how would be opposed to the uh

800
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,520
sewer maintenance workers and the

801
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,400
Wastewater uh worker their short staff

802
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,280
down there could create a dangerous

803
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,000
situation and uh you want to talk about

804
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,800
having individuals work by themselves

805
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,800
that I would be opposed to

806
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,520
that appreciate your comment I

807
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,200
appreciate your comment me I think

808
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,560
looking there are currently four

809
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,359
vacancies so the two would still leave

810
00:38:37,359 --> 00:38:39,920
two open positions my thought process

811
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,040
was fill those two and if uh the need

812
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,790
presents

813
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:53,150
itself coming back before the

814
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,400
council any other discussion on any

815
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,680
other position

816
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:02,510
and this is dealing with the 2021 22 and

817
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:09,390
23

818
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,079
yes I just want to clarify and perhaps

819
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:14,680
Mr Mar can can help but it looks like in

820
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,630
the Law Department

821
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,720
budget in terms of the assistant

822
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:21,920
Corporation

823
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:26,119
Council one of those was your previous I

824
00:39:26,119 --> 00:39:28,480
think was your previous role perhaps um

825
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,359
it may have been yes y um I believe we

826
00:39:31,359 --> 00:39:35,040
still have uh two other full-time

827
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,040
assistant Corporation Council positions

828
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,560
open uh my understanding is Mr C had

829
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,680
indicated that to the extent that that's

830
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,520
cut if we didn't find another attorney

831
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,000
we would probably be returning to

832
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,680
council um recruitment for attorneys is

833
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,359
very difficult um we do try the best we

834
00:39:50,359 --> 00:39:53,599
can we' actively try and local law

835
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:56,079
schools to more people from other

836
00:39:56,079 --> 00:39:58,560
positions and other WS but it is

837
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:04,750
competitive it is competitive

838
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,520
Yeah so basically if we removed those

839
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,440
two

840
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,920
positions you might come back and we

841
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,520
might come back and have to add an

842
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,440
amendment to trying

843
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,200
to it yeah it would be very likely as it

844
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,760
is we have Andrew and I are the only

845
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,480
full-time attorneys for the city right

846
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,280
um we have two part-time assistant

847
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:33,790
Corporation Council

848
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,800
so say Mr Marne highlighted is the

849
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,119
difficulties with hiring just a single

850
00:40:38,119 --> 00:40:40,200
highly specialized position is that

851
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,160
correct I'm sorry could you repeat the

852
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,280
question it's difficult to hire even one

853
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,560
extremely specialized physan it is very

854
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,119
difficult so I would say if we focused

855
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:52,800
on a singular vacancy and then if that

856
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,520
individual presents itself in addition

857
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,079
to uh incorporating a legal evaluating

858
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:00,480
the need which I imagine is to have more

859
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,800
um of those individuals in your office

860
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,480
but if they don't present themselves I

861
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,400
think it

862
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,060
is besides the point out two

863
00:41:10,060 --> 00:41:13,510
[Music]

864
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,119
vacancies that being said I will also

865
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:19,800
add that the um uh the fewer attorneys

866
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,480
we have in the Law Department the higher

867
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,400
our outside Council costs are um and you

868
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,720
know outside counsil rates vary any from

869
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:34,870
300 to $600 an

870
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,280
hour as far as I'm concerned it's the

871
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,640
engineering

872
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,349
positions the

873
00:41:42,359 --> 00:41:45,280
uh do we have any specific one that we

874
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,760
can just highlight so that well there's

875
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,920
four four four four

876
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,960
Bacons one two three four five again the

877
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,800
water and sewage those are things that

878
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,400
we really need don't want to screw

879
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,160
around with that in my opinion abely I

880
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,839
agree and the MEO falls under the

881
00:42:03,839 --> 00:42:06,720
specialization with the

882
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:11,319
CDL and other than that the carpenter I

883
00:42:11,319 --> 00:42:14,200
guess I'm fine

884
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:20,710
with but otherwise I think you feel

885
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:24,440
them we have five an engine you

886
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,240
mention one you

887
00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:28,640
well one says it's

888
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,800
filled oh then it's been vacant again

889
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,640
I'm assuming if yeah I'm assuming they

890
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:41,589
filled it once they can fill it

891
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:48,510
again and I would want to that is the

892
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,960
IPS go ahead Mr I was going to say I

893
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,520
wouldn't completely strip that

894
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,150
department

895
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:56,880
either

896
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,599
I'd have to Echo that especially since

897
00:42:58,599 --> 00:43:01,240
Mr Wallen has made it a point of already

898
00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:02,440
looking at his budget and seeing

899
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:03,960
positions that weren't filled and

900
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,480
therefore not put bringing them forward

901
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,520
to this year's budget so I believe he

902
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,400
took into consideration that these

903
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,800
budgets these um positions have not been

904
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,119
filled in past years he's been able to

905
00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:15,920
run his apartment and has taken them out

906
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,720
so I don't want that we should continue

907
00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:21,760
to go even further into that so um Mr

908
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,079
Williams has suggested too

909
00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:28,720
and Mr pal is suggesting any more and I

910
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:30,880
don't think we should go more than two

911
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,760
um and I really I think that Mr wall has

912
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,599
already considered what he needs in his

913
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:38,640
Department in terms of downsizing re

914
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:49,230
realizing what our our fisal situation

915
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:54,720
is Mr William you mentioned for all the engineering department do you have

916
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:58,109
the two in in mind

917
00:43:58,119 --> 00:43:59,880
yes he did he

918
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:04,160
did can you identify please assistant

919
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:22,710
City enger and Junior civil

920
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:26,359
engineer so so Mr Wallen elimin the

921
00:44:26,359 --> 00:44:28,680
junior cver engineer already from the

922
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,079
budget that's already out of the

923
00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:34,920
budget right am I I'm looking on page

924
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,599
yes of 10 and there's zero on that line

925
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:40,160
he already eliminated that particular it

926
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,280
shouldn't be on the other sheet he left

927
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,119
in uh two assistant to the engineer and

928
00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:50,640
one civil engineer so the there's an

929
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,040
error then right because the assistant

930
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,760
well yeah okay so the assistant to the

931
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,240
civil engineer he did leave so you want

932
00:44:57,240 --> 00:45:00,480
to get rid of one of those it's he

933
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,720
didn't have in the budget he did have

934
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:05,400
the he had he had two assistants to the

935
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,160
civil engineer in his budget but now

936
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,160
we're taking out one of

937
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,559
them the other one is called assistant

938
00:45:13,559 --> 00:45:16,359
civil engineer that's not on he that's

939
00:45:16,359 --> 00:45:18,440
what he eliminated and that is not on

940
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,119
the green on this sheet at

941
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:23,800
all

942
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,760
um and then the IPS

943
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,960
he wants an IPS so that wasn't in his

944
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:34,480
budget um but that is what he asked for

945
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,079
when he met with us I guess because it's

946
00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:39,520
not in his budget yeah it's not it

947
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,000
wouldn't be under administrative

948
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,440
salaries oh okay let me see maybe me go

949
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:45,400
down

950
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:50,150
furthers yep thank you oh

951
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,760
there what page is that John that is

952
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,880
Page n page

953
00:45:54,880 --> 00:46:03,390
n

954
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:04,480
that's

955
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:13,990
right I don't see it oh there we go yes

956
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:18,589
right so we did put that

957
00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:20,920
in and that when you want to leave in

958
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,790
right the

959
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,040
ips3

960
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:41,390
yeah

961
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,800
take and the ips4 that's in that

962
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,069
department is currently

963
00:46:47,079 --> 00:46:54,790
unfilled the

964
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,319
IPS

965
00:46:57,319 --> 00:47:01,480
I see so the civil engineer on page

966
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,520
10 yeah so he took out Chris already

967
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,079
took out the civil engineer that's on

968
00:47:07,079 --> 00:47:11,270
this scen

969
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,920
sheet he removed the assistant civil

970
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:19,040
engineer and the civil and the J oh yeah

971
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,839
you're right y

972
00:47:22,839 --> 00:47:30,349
okay so those are the

973
00:47:30,359 --> 00:47:32,079
and the assistant civil engineer is only

974
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:36,750
half time um

975
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,200
previous can we just have a new list of

976
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,599
what is being proposed yeah that's TR oh

977
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:45,599
okay because I think we added something

978
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:48,839
back in the uh

979
00:47:48,839 --> 00:47:50,800
that's so we can

980
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,710
highlight

981
00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:56,640
there

982
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,359
we will need to I mean it doesn't matter

983
00:47:58,359 --> 00:48:02,670
because we can't vote but

984
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,800
right because if there's one in here

985
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,480
that that's supposed to be in

986
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:24,630
here if it was already

987
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:29,870
removed

988
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,119
this want you finish with with

989
00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:42,990
your

990
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,920
yes let's move on to the 2024 new

991
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:54,589
position been proposed

992
00:48:54,599 --> 00:49:03,950
just

993
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,680
ferari the one highlighted and other one

994
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,240
have removed there can you walk us

995
00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:13,000
through that those yes so the yellow

996
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,520
highlighted

997
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,480
positions uh that was originally put in

998
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,359
by Department request uh they were

999
00:49:20,359 --> 00:49:24,520
removed by us um the one item for flea

1000
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,920
manager by the city

1001
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,839
council um if you look at the Highlight

1002
00:49:29,839 --> 00:49:32,160
item in pink there street department

1003
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,640
manager uh that's just a title change

1004
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,880
and the rest are positions that were

1005
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,599
added to the

1006
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:42,000
budget the only only other thing at the

1007
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,799
bottom you get the lead inspector

1008
00:49:43,799 --> 00:49:46,520
coordinator and the lead inspector risk

1009
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,520
coordinator accessor uh we're switching

1010
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,920
that from a management position to a CCA

1011
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,680
it used to be a CCA to begin with uh the

1012
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,799
department had at the time requested um

1013
00:49:58,799 --> 00:50:01,160
insisted rather that they would uh go

1014
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,599
into that position and train um and do

1015
00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:07,160
enforcement department but um I think

1016
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,839
that is not the case anymore so both of

1017
00:50:09,839 --> 00:50:12,400
those would be csca

1018
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:16,880
no one budget at 5,000 and the other be

1019
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,440
CAU 65,000

1020
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,440
mat okay so that should be in yellow in

1021
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:43,430
other words right okay gotcha

1022
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,599
miss bfield you talk about the um the

1023
00:50:46,599 --> 00:50:49,079
Moto equipment operator

1024
00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:53,920
mechanic yes I we discussed that um

1025
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,880
Mr has given us his impression of that

1026
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,640
um and I would really like to see how we

1027
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,599
could figure out how to do that work um

1028
00:51:02,599 --> 00:51:04,599
without having someone on the own over

1029
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:06,559
at night I know what you said about

1030
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:08,720
other people there and so again I

1031
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:10,640
wondering how we is it that we can have

1032
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,040
other people there that are already

1033
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:14,799
there do some of this work if if it

1034
00:51:14,799 --> 00:51:17,200
extends past the normal business hours

1035
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:18,480
you said that we have sometimes people

1036
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,480
go 24 hours shs there winter time

1037
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,000
mechanics are obviously during

1038
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,160
snowstorms sometimes only one mechanic

1039
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:27,960
there during the snowstorm over time

1040
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:28,760
it's

1041
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,599
voluntary to come in so there are times

1042
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:34,359
when there's one person there in the sow

1043
00:51:34,359 --> 00:51:39,829
only one mechanic in the

1044
00:51:39,839 --> 00:51:41,799
workan in light of what was spending

1045
00:51:41,799 --> 00:51:43,400
other garages I still think we should

1046
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:48,470
consider removing that

1047
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:54,349
position if you're trying to save

1048
00:51:54,359 --> 00:52:01,430
money

1049
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,319
Mr can we ask Mr leant to just refresh

1050
00:52:04,319 --> 00:52:06,200
our memory about the fleet manager

1051
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,280
position would you like to speak to

1052
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,920
about the need for the fleet manager as

1053
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:12,400
opposed to you were talking about the

1054
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,000
mechanic

1055
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,559
yeah originally it was a man position on

1056
00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:22,240
the now went out the assistant we manage

1057
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:25,599
um we do work on a lot of vehicles

1058
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:28,319
there's a lot of paperwork we'd like to

1059
00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:30,319
be able to monitor to through a

1060
00:52:30,319 --> 00:52:32,640
computerized meance management system

1061
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,839
the work and how it's being performed

1062
00:52:34,839 --> 00:52:38,040
but without the staff and management to

1063
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,799
do this work it's very difficult right

1064
00:52:40,799 --> 00:52:42,400
now we have an assistant fleet manager

1065
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,000
who is working as fleet manager but also

1066
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,079
Turing wrenches also getting Arts comes

1067
00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:50,200
down to we have a lot of work we don't

1068
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:54,230
have a lot of

1069
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:55,880
staff

1070
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,640
okay we have a number of vehicles a lot

1071
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,880
of vehicles go out for repairs a house

1072
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,920
some go to the county um we do what we

1073
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:09,319
can inh housee um you if we were able to

1074
00:53:09,319 --> 00:53:11,559
do more try to reduce our outside

1075
00:53:11,559 --> 00:53:13,839
expenses I need the staff that can do

1076
00:53:13,839 --> 00:53:16,760
that um it's not always the most cost

1077
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:24,150
effective way contract work

1078
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,920
out and Mr thean we need to be um

1079
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,079
concerned with safety of these vehicles

1080
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:32,079
going out continuously on the road so

1081
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:33,480
they need all of our mechanics are

1082
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,119
certified to do both um mediumsized

1083
00:53:36,119 --> 00:53:38,599
vehicles and heavy equipment for um

1084
00:53:38,599 --> 00:53:41,599
inspections so every mechanic we have

1085
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:44,040
those inspections on all our vehicles

1086
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:54,150
thank

1087
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,440
you

1088
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:57,720
pleas

1089
00:53:57,720 --> 00:54:00,000
soe comments been made were looking to

1090
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,000
save money which I don't have any issue

1091
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,599
with what are we going to do with the

1092
00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:08,040
saved money we can't roll it over to the

1093
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,680
deficit in

1094
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,720
2025 so what's the end goal with what's

1095
00:54:13,720 --> 00:54:17,200
being done end see what we can say and

1096
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:18,400
then

1097
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,480
we you had you said you had a

1098
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,040
conversation with um the chief Marino

1099
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,400
the mayor was highlighting something

1100
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,960
like that just know that is here and

1101
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,119
that more than likely will give the

1102
00:54:30,119 --> 00:54:31,079
lights

1103
00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:35,000
to go into back back that whatever

1104
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,280
that so it's now

1105
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,079
pushing using it to reduce some of the

1106
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:48,190
cuts we last week sorry last two um

1107
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,400
session they want to eliminate the

1108
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,760
overtime from the police and the fire so

1109
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:53,920
that's the cut that they're talking

1110
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,040
about I think you had to unfortunately

1111
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,559
leave a little bit so yeah I have work

1112
00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:02,359
so yeah he will be us

1113
00:55:02,359 --> 00:55:04,799
some potential savings that we're trying

1114
00:55:04,799 --> 00:55:07,839
to CL back here just want to clarify not

1115
00:55:07,839 --> 00:55:10,079
eliminate there was a reduction but not

1116
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:14,040
eliminate well cut cut from what the

1117
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,599
police chief and fire chief have asked

1118
00:55:16,599 --> 00:55:20,880
us for but not eliminating

1119
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,160
sorry but I I want to complete this one

1120
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,799
task first before getting ahead okay not

1121
00:55:26,799 --> 00:55:28,359
getting ahead we need to know what the

1122
00:55:28,359 --> 00:55:31,520
end result what the end outcome that's

1123
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,400
looking to be achieved that's what the

1124
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,559
end result is whatever savings and to

1125
00:55:35,559 --> 00:55:37,960
look at what the major C that happened

1126
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,240
in the last couple of session to clap

1127
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:46,910
back on there if we can

1128
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,880
yes and there one of the reason why I

1129
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,160
brought the $2.5 billion of the AR money

1130
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:56,760
that we recently to help us with that

1131
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:58,720
but with the cuts you still didn't have

1132
00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:01,640
a balanced that's that's why we are

1133
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,559
looking at the position here and see

1134
00:56:03,559 --> 00:56:06,920
where we are then we can make a decision

1135
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:11,119
go ahead yeah there still work progress

1136
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:16,270
here so go ahead

1137
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,990
Miss with regards to

1138
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,039
2024 yeah we started

1139
00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:25,400
that I didn't I didn't have any comments

1140
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:30,190
towards towards

1141
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:34,440
these my my my comments on the U 2024

1142
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,599
position is to look at the

1143
00:56:36,599 --> 00:56:41,000
ips3 and the IT specialist keep the um

1144
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:42,760
the G antiviolence

1145
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:46,079
coordinator and to look at the

1146
00:56:46,079 --> 00:56:50,440
me and the um CD

1147
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,520
assistant please John just want to speak

1148
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,520
about uh the IP S3 for utilities and the

1149
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,880
ips3 for it I just want to bring up the

1150
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:01,960
fact and plus the Web Master bring up

1151
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,039
the fact that that whole department

1152
00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:05,319
there's going to be two major

1153
00:57:05,319 --> 00:57:09,839
retirements this was the plan to uh uh

1154
00:57:09,839 --> 00:57:13,839
help uh keep that department together uh

1155
00:57:13,839 --> 00:57:16,039
you know using three three to take the

1156
00:57:16,039 --> 00:57:18,039
place of the two that are

1157
00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:20,440
there Mr are we going to have some

1158
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,799
funding on those on retirement plan when

1159
00:57:22,799 --> 00:57:23,799
the person

1160
00:57:23,799 --> 00:57:25,760
retired

1161
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,039
yes it's going to be increased no not

1162
00:57:29,039 --> 00:57:33,079
going to be no savings when they retire the month that's left

1163
00:57:33,079 --> 00:57:35,200
behind excuse me the lines that we

1164
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,880
funding for that position they will be

1165
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:39,920
funding remain on that line when the

1166
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,000
person retire yeah but they're retiring

1167
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,160
in 2024 they're not retiring now do I'm

1168
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,400
saying this is 2024 yeah so so these

1169
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,799
positions what they're trying to do is

1170
00:57:50,799 --> 00:57:53,359
hire than so before they retire they

1171
00:57:53,359 --> 00:57:56,200
have some training uh so when the people

1172
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,839
retire the uh these positions will be up

1173
00:57:58,839 --> 00:58:00,920
and running without we're trying to do

1174
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:07,109
it in a way so that the par has

1175
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:10,839
any I also want to say I think I mean

1176
00:58:10,839 --> 00:58:13,000
that give antiviolence coordinator

1177
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,440
there's no question oh okay because I

1178
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,520
mean that's Grand funded it has nothing

1179
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:18,760
okay

1180
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,880
I I said keep that oh well I know what

1181
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,319
I'm just saying we don't need to even

1182
00:58:23,319 --> 00:58:25,400
question we don't even need to disc keep

1183
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:31,750
it or not keeping

1184
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,880
it we discussed the Moto equipment

1185
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,720
operator mechanic the

1186
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:40,039
mum there are two position being

1187
00:58:40,039 --> 00:58:53,710
proposed

1188
00:58:53,720 --> 00:59:09,430
here

1189
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:14,029
always any question

1190
00:59:14,039 --> 00:59:18,359
this um are the's um CA

1191
00:59:18,359 --> 00:59:23,480
position 1037 10:37 I'm sorry 10 they

1192
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,640
are 1037

1193
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:27,440
in the street are

1194
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:31,079
1037 water meance workers are

1195
00:59:31,079 --> 00:59:39,670
also are 1037 okay thank

1196
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:46,190
you

1197
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:53,630
eliminating we have a certain number in

1198
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:58,270
contract

1199
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,119
so Mr Ferrari so you think that we

1200
01:00:00,119 --> 01:00:02,680
really need the ips3 for it and the IT

1201
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,160
specialist and the Web Master the Web

1202
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:06,680
Master yeah just so you can have a

1203
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,760
seamless seamless array when these guys

1204
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,039
leave if if you look at if you look into

1205
01:00:12,039 --> 01:00:15,640
the budget we did um we did put one one

1206
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,240
or two of the positions

1207
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,480
at 4

1208
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,480
25% you know because we know we should

1209
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,480
not be full year

1210
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,720
so we just that one but for the other

1211
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,480
position that bigger position we you

1212
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,359
need that money because that person's

1213
01:00:31,359 --> 01:00:34,039
got to be replaced and then for the it

1214
01:00:34,039 --> 01:00:35,520
now you're going to need new it guide

1215
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,000
because now we're actually instead of

1216
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:39,240
just having two we're going to have two

1217
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,359
different departments now have good

1218
01:00:41,359 --> 01:00:42,839
utilities you have traffic and then

1219
01:00:42,839 --> 01:00:52,109
you're going have

1220
01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:55,480
it so the yellow highlight was removed

1221
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,200
was asked by the department head but but

1222
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,559
not put in the budget by finance that

1223
01:00:59,559 --> 01:01:06,150
was not recommendation that was

1224
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:10,150
that except for the fleet

1225
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:11,839
manager yeah

1226
01:01:11,839 --> 01:01:19,799
that's REM so why are we considering positions

1227
01:01:19,799 --> 01:01:22,359
that weren't in the

1228
01:01:22,359 --> 01:01:27,990
budget I this is a report I asked

1229
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,480
think I'm not sure why

1230
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,240
here are not highlighted are in the

1231
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,200
budget still when we were doing the

1232
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,640
budget we listed all the new jobs so we

1233
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,400
had to we had this ready to go so then

1234
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:43,319
when he asked for when he asked for we

1235
01:01:43,319 --> 01:01:45,240
went reviewed it he said okay we know

1236
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,680
this is out this is out this is

1237
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,240
out we want to also show that you know

1238
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,720
we've we're also working to keep things

1239
01:01:52,720 --> 01:02:01,069
down at the same time

1240
01:02:01,079 --> 01:02:04,599
I mean the first I'm okay to keep the um

1241
01:02:04,599 --> 01:02:07,200
the ips3 for utility admin and I'm okay

1242
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,559
with keeping the IT specialist Web

1243
01:02:09,559 --> 01:02:13,000
Master and we can reconsider the ips3

1244
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,829
for

1245
01:02:16,839 --> 01:02:19,319
it pleas I'm sorry but again I mean I

1246
01:02:19,319 --> 01:02:21,760
think that when we heard from it but

1247
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:25,119
also I think some of these positions

1248
01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:26,880
those those positions I think also in

1249
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,359
terms of the increase in the Cyber the

1250
01:02:29,359 --> 01:02:31,400
risk of cyber attacks I think that was a

1251
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,480
reason that um we were thinking about

1252
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:35,880
making sure that we had appropriate

1253
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:39,720
Staffing levels um in it everybody else

1254
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:43,400
jump in from when we had aan speaking to

1255
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,279
us but

1256
01:02:46,279 --> 01:02:48,880
um or actually it was Mr Kio that

1257
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:50,599
presented for that so I could look back

1258
01:02:50,599 --> 01:02:53,279
to my notes but um I think we have to

1259
01:02:53,279 --> 01:02:55,760
really be with the increase in cyber

1260
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,279
attacks across our nation or

1261
01:02:58,279 --> 01:03:01,359
across the internationally I mean I

1262
01:03:01,359 --> 01:03:03,520
think we have to really be careful about

1263
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,599
what we're doing and making sure that

1264
01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:08,799
we're not putting any of our data um at

1265
01:03:08,799 --> 01:03:13,079
risk so I would still support those it

1266
01:03:13,079 --> 01:03:15,039
positions no it was one of the IDE

1267
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:16,799
that's why we may have suggest us to

1268
01:03:16,799 --> 01:03:18,240
make a budget

1269
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:20,480
appropriation

1270
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,319
so the

1271
01:03:22,319 --> 01:03:28,279
I can't exact title so mention the name

1272
01:03:28,279 --> 01:03:32,640
Mr sorry and then we I The Specialist

1273
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,440
Web Master I think they explain that to

1274
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,960
us so help that

1275
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:44,470
also find my page

1276
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,279
here yeah please and I think I would

1277
01:03:47,279 --> 01:03:48,920
support that if we already had

1278
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:50,319
candidates aligned but I think the

1279
01:03:50,319 --> 01:03:51,799
question that we're presented with right

1280
01:03:51,799 --> 01:03:53,319
now is whether we're comfortable with

1281
01:03:53,319 --> 01:03:54,799
having pools of money sitting in those

1282
01:03:54,799 --> 01:03:57,960
lines and then the cost analysis is what

1283
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,960
is the likelihood of those being

1284
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,000
filled I mean I don't know I would guess

1285
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,680
that it positions would' be able to fill

1286
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:12,670
but do you have trouble filling it

1287
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:16,359
positions we are actively recruiting our

1288
01:04:16,359 --> 01:04:23,190
anticipate being able to fully staff

1289
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:31,549
those

1290
01:04:31,559 --> 01:04:44,029
we need an index in this next

1291
01:04:44,039 --> 01:04:52,630
year Still Still for

1292
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:56,520
it no where that leaves us right now oh

1293
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,319
we just making not any any question on

1294
01:04:59,319 --> 01:05:01,079
the go ahead please so with the IT

1295
01:05:01,079 --> 01:05:03,079
specialist is this because we're

1296
01:05:03,079 --> 01:05:06,839
anticipating um the retirement of the uh

1297
01:05:06,839 --> 01:05:09,599
IT specialist is is

1298
01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:13,559
uh is we're actually need more people to

1299
01:05:13,559 --> 01:05:16,000
come in especially for our website we

1300
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:23,069
want a better Web Master for our

1301
01:05:23,079 --> 01:05:25,880
website may happen next year we're

1302
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,799
trying to set up a a jva you know trying

1303
01:05:28,799 --> 01:05:31,520
to open up jobs for them these actually

1304
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:36,160
the IPS three two people place one

1305
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,400
personing and Web Master

1306
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,480
and we're leaving the other person's

1307
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,599
position open to get a new person to

1308
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:52,029
take

1309
01:05:52,039 --> 01:05:54,599
have what are we

1310
01:05:54,599 --> 01:05:59,020
actively looking right

1311
01:05:59,030 --> 01:06:08,789
[Music]

1312
01:06:08,799 --> 01:06:14,029
Chief okay and any question on the

1313
01:06:14,039 --> 01:06:16,599
me there two position be proposed into

1314
01:06:16,599 --> 01:06:18,789
the

1315
01:06:18,799 --> 01:06:22,039
2024 no those those were removed by the

1316
01:06:22,039 --> 01:06:24,839
mayor highlighted the

1317
01:06:24,839 --> 01:06:29,599
right above that that one two okay

1318
01:06:29,599 --> 01:06:33,160
for I I had thought that Mr D came in

1319
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:52,990
explain the situation with the parks y y

1320
01:06:53,000 --> 01:07:03,430
yep

1321
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:22,910
any question on the CDs

1322
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,000
system6

1323
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:26,039
if you could just give me a little

1324
01:07:26,039 --> 01:07:27,799
background again on what this person's

1325
01:07:27,799 --> 01:07:30,960
position is it's actually a new position

1326
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,279
U before

1327
01:07:34,279 --> 01:07:37,279
uh can't her name that's okay she just

1328
01:07:37,279 --> 01:07:41,079
left Kristen yes uh before the uh

1329
01:07:41,079 --> 01:07:43,440
Department development person left she

1330
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,920
want his position because we there was

1331
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:49,359
such a a loss of Staff in that uh

1332
01:07:49,359 --> 01:07:51,480
Community Development uh Community

1333
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:54,520
Development Department that uh wanted to

1334
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:57,640
bring in a new Community Development um

1335
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:01,240
supervisor and also assistant uh to help

1336
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,359
the supervisor so they both can learn

1337
01:08:03,359 --> 01:08:05,839
together so that you know try to get the

1338
01:08:05,839 --> 01:08:07,440
in the future the department in a

1339
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:12,430
stronger

1340
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,240
position just just just to remind you

1341
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:22,829
that CD assistant is 100% funded

1342
01:08:22,839 --> 01:08:29,590
by

1343
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:31,880
but we we also have a CD supervisor and

1344
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:36,269
a CD program monitor

1345
01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:38,640
correct and this new position is just a

1346
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,839
CD assistant right like explain because

1347
01:08:41,839 --> 01:08:43,359
right now the supervisor we don't have a

1348
01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:49,829
supervisor right now and uh we need this

1349
01:08:49,839 --> 01:08:52,799
what she

1350
01:08:52,799 --> 01:08:55,120
Department we don't have a c Community

1351
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:56,759
Development supervisor but that's a

1352
01:08:56,759 --> 01:08:58,759
vacant position where she's actually

1353
01:08:58,759 --> 01:09:01,319
she's looking for recruits right now I

1354
01:09:01,319 --> 01:09:05,120
think she said she have 13 uh 13

1355
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:07,359
candidates and what we're looking to do

1356
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:08,920
like you said because we bringing in a

1357
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:10,400
new one they wanted to bring an

1358
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:13,000
assistant to help help this person and

1359
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:17,920
then together they would learn to make the staff stronger in the future I

1360
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:22,709
mean it's not going to happen

1361
01:09:22,719 --> 01:09:31,669
overnight

1362
01:09:31,679 --> 01:09:33,920
and the the monitor is already is is

1363
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:35,960
currently filled that's

1364
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,520
so

1365
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:43,829
oh yes yes

1366
01:09:43,839 --> 01:09:46,839
it but again that's a position that we

1367
01:09:46,839 --> 01:09:49,719
were told they going to reti re also so

1368
01:09:49,719 --> 01:09:51,040
I think that's the whole idea with the

1369
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,319
assistant they trying to get everybody

1370
01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:56,280
rolling to uh take know each other's

1371
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,480
position so when there is a a loss like

1372
01:09:58,480 --> 01:10:00,560
that uh they can take over until the

1373
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:07,430
next person

1374
01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:09,880
deci I was wondering I mean actually it

1375
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:12,920
says it was filled in 2021 and 2022 but

1376
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:14,520
that Community Development supervisor I

1377
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:16,400
feel like it was a new position before

1378
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:19,199
that it was something that was that a

1379
01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:21,840
new position and it was no I think they

1380
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:23,840
moved the person that was there that

1381
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:25,480
left the city yeah I believe they mo

1382
01:10:25,480 --> 01:10:27,520
came into that position

1383
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,920
okay there was some position that

1384
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,640
because of the impending the pen the

1385
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:33,880
fact that we were getting the arpa

1386
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,679
funding before we got the arpa

1387
01:10:36,679 --> 01:10:39,080
funding they created a new position

1388
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:40,320
because they thought they would need the

1389
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:42,159
extra set of hands to deal with all the

1390
01:10:42,159 --> 01:10:43,320
arpa

1391
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:45,679
process I just don't know which one of

1392
01:10:45,679 --> 01:10:49,040
that is that was a supervisor I think at

1393
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:52,630
the time that's what I thought too

1394
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:55,950
but

1395
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:57,520
any other discussion on

1396
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:02,600
this so do we need the supervisor I so

1397
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:05,640
okay so we have a CD supervisor CD

1398
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:10,830
program Monitor and CD

1399
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:22,550
assistant 100% uh

1400
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:34,510
funded

1401
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:36,280
and just as a recap the the street

1402
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:41,030
department manager highlighted

1403
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:46,870
in um was the

1404
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:55,120
reason that is the one gentleman uh who

1405
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:58,560
yeah okay so you know what do we figure

1406
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:00,600
out a savings of like 60 or

1407
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,360
$70,000 he does both

1408
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:05,520
positions otherwise he can just go back

1409
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:08,480
to his old position makeing 98 and then

1410
01:12:08,480 --> 01:12:10,480
he would have to hire another person at

1411
01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:14,750
90 you

1412
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:17,440
know then you got to pay uh benefits for

1413
01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:22,149
your other person

1414
01:12:22,159 --> 01:12:25,239
also what you have question on this um

1415
01:12:25,239 --> 01:12:28,639
position I'm not putting in the spot but

1416
01:12:28,639 --> 01:12:30,480
well well a discussion that we had

1417
01:12:30,480 --> 01:12:33,040
before was that this position it's one

1418
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:36,960
person supposed to be do two jobs and um

1419
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,280
initially when we had when it was put in

1420
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,639
the budget it was a 4% increase when

1421
01:12:42,639 --> 01:12:45,080
they changed the street um the

1422
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:47,320
title and then when they brought it back

1423
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:50,040
to the original title the increase then

1424
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:51,679
became

1425
01:12:51,679 --> 01:12:54,719
14% even though initially our

1426
01:12:54,719 --> 01:12:56,440
understanding was that they that was the

1427
01:12:56,440 --> 01:12:58,000
person still was going to be doing two

1428
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:59,760
jobs because they were split between two

1429
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,280
departments but the first time we saw it

1430
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:04,400
was 4% and then when when when it came

1431
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,120
back with the new name became 14 excuse

1432
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,639
me when it came back to the old name

1433
01:13:09,639 --> 01:13:10,560
became

1434
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:12,480
14%

1435
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:15,480
so um that's my was my question around

1436
01:13:15,480 --> 01:13:18,639
that and just the level of that

1437
01:13:18,639 --> 01:13:20,320
particular

1438
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:22,719
increase is is that the where we're

1439
01:13:22,719 --> 01:13:25,040
doing 2 and 52 and so we were

1440
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:27,159
eliminating two positions that were 80

1441
01:13:27,159 --> 01:13:29,080
something and 80

1442
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:32,120
something what is it we're eliminating

1443
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:38,040
the 88 400 if you need more information find

1444
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:39,679
probably help you

1445
01:13:39,679 --> 01:13:43,320
out well initially when when Mr Leon

1446
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:45,880
came to us he explained it but um when

1447
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,600
we saw it we didn't see the 14% increase

1448
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:50,600
but when it came back again then we saw

1449
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:52,920
the 14% increase but we haven't seen you

1450
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,790
since then

1451
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:58,719
yeah sure sure there was a title the

1452
01:13:58,719 --> 01:14:02,199
were looking position position State and

1453
01:14:02,199 --> 01:14:04,440
then we do have a gentleman who is Will

1454
01:14:04,440 --> 01:14:07,600
to take on more work and would not fill

1455
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:11,239
the other position so ultimately we're I

1456
01:14:11,239 --> 01:14:13,280
do two jobs I'm the director of Water

1457
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:15,280
waste water and I'm they been doing it

1458
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:17,360
for seven years we have an employee who

1459
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:18,719
is willing to take a little more

1460
01:14:18,719 --> 01:14:20,400
responsibility a little more

1461
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,360
compensation and in return what we're

1462
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:25,400
saving is a position $8,000 plus the

1463
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:28,960
benefit package which is ultimately what

1464
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:31,520
we try to do is to try and be efficient

1465
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:33,400
but also other saving this is an

1466
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:35,520
opportunity to do

1467
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:39,520
that so um it is 14% when the score so

1468
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:41,440
is there is another amount is there a

1469
01:14:41,440 --> 01:14:43,320
lesser amount that you think would be

1470
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:44,679
still reasonable since this person

1471
01:14:44,679 --> 01:14:47,480
taking a little bit more work hope

1472
01:14:47,480 --> 01:14:51,239
doesn't take the work put the position

1473
01:14:51,239 --> 01:14:52,280
back in for

1474
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:53,800
,000

1475
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,840
I mean you're willing to take if you're

1476
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,239
asking to go negotiate with him you know

1477
01:14:59,239 --> 01:15:02,199
this is what we offer he's will to do

1478
01:15:02,199 --> 01:15:04,960
the work at

1479
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:08,159
this we're interested we do it if not

1480
01:15:08,159 --> 01:15:11,000
he'll do his exist existing job and I

1481
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,360
would ask you to look at the budget and

1482
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:16,520
put the other position in for 88,000 so

1483
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:17,880
somebody can do that

1484
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:21,000
job the difference is only what $6,000

1485
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:24,400
because the person was making 98 6,000

1486
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:26,080
yeah 98

1487
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:30,080
so4 would 91 from 88 so that would that

1488
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:36,270
would have been the

1489
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:42,470
bum 98 45 Something

1490
01:15:42,480 --> 01:15:45,080
each management position it's not over

1491
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:47,679
time comes in for

1492
01:15:47,679 --> 01:15:50,239
alls sens is there

1493
01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:53,920
sens it was removed Tak the other if the

1494
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:56,639
salary increases there there's no s so

1495
01:15:56,639 --> 01:16:02,950
you take the stien out yes I

1496
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:05,920
did they were the two positions at

1497
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:10,159
45968 each we raised them to 52,000 each

1498
01:16:10,159 --> 01:16:14,199
for total of 104 for the one position

1499
01:16:14,199 --> 01:16:17,320
which would eliminate 52 each department

1500
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:19,280
which would eliminate the

1501
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:22,480
$88,000 right was the overall Savings of

1502
01:16:22,480 --> 01:16:24,199
right not that's not the total

1503
01:16:24,199 --> 01:16:26,080
statements it was one person and it's

1504
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:27,679
not two positions so just to be clear

1505
01:16:27,679 --> 01:16:29,679
about that it's one individual that

1506
01:16:29,679 --> 01:16:32,159
we're talking about in terms of the

1507
01:16:32,159 --> 01:16:33,639
right for

1508
01:16:33,639 --> 01:16:44,669
104 but it's split into two

1509
01:16:44,679 --> 01:16:48,239
right any other discussion on

1510
01:16:48,239 --> 01:16:50,719
this so would it be the director of

1511
01:16:50,719 --> 01:16:53,520
solid waste Mr lefant is it the director

1512
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:56,159
of director of solid waste you took out

1513
01:16:56,159 --> 01:16:58,719
of the budget correct and that's that

1514
01:16:58,719 --> 01:17:02,639
would be the position that the manager

1515
01:17:02,639 --> 01:17:05,760
will assume some of the RO

1516
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:09,520
there okay and then the other one but

1517
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:12,639
okay doesn't exist the director of yeah

1518
01:17:12,639 --> 01:17:15,520
that's f it doesn't exist okay so his

1519
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,679
was he the he is the street department

1520
01:17:17,679 --> 01:17:18,639
man

1521
01:17:18,639 --> 01:17:20,720
Curr

1522
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:22,000
[Music]

1523
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:34,270
gotcha

1524
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:48,830
got because his budget was overall

1525
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,040
down he's going to get some chairs for

1526
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:52,000
these

1527
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,960
guys

1528
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:56,960
any other discussion here so based on

1529
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:58,920
the the discussion we have

1530
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:03,159
here and the notes that I have my say

1531
01:18:03,159 --> 01:18:06,159
I'm okay keeping the ips3 for utilities

1532
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:09,679
ad me I'm okay keeping the IT specialist

1533
01:18:09,679 --> 01:18:10,600
Web

1534
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:14,639
Master keeping the GIF anti-un violent

1535
01:18:14,639 --> 01:18:16,679
antiv violent

1536
01:18:16,679 --> 01:18:20,000
coordinator and keep the m e o

1537
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:24,600
m and keep the lead Vector coordinator

1538
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:27,840
that's a movement from swich from CSC

1539
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:30,440
manag I won't give that it's actually L

1540
01:18:30,440 --> 01:18:33,600
Spector risk assess yeah I'm okay with

1541
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:35,830
the

1542
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,960
m so you said I just want to you said

1543
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:42,920
keep the utilities admin ips3 yes but

1544
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:44,840
not the ips3 for

1545
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:47,880
it yeah I would be against that and then

1546
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,639
you want to keep the MEO both of them no

1547
01:18:50,639 --> 01:18:55,159
the IP specialist master keep that yeah

1548
01:18:55,159 --> 01:18:57,440
okay great I skipped over that one okay

1549
01:18:57,440 --> 01:19:03,790
GI anti violent coordinator again no

1550
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:07,679
discussion I'm skipping the U the street

1551
01:19:07,679 --> 01:19:10,360
department manager andle manager we took

1552
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:17,189
that out previous

1553
01:19:17,199 --> 01:19:20,239
discussion Miss bfield um talk about the

1554
01:19:20,239 --> 01:19:24,639
auto vehicle operator mechanic

1555
01:19:24,639 --> 01:19:27,560
I am okay with keeping the M there's two

1556
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:31,120
of them yes I'm two and I'm okay keeping

1557
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:35,149
the lead inspector risk

1558
01:19:35,159 --> 01:19:37,719
assessment and so

1559
01:19:37,719 --> 01:19:39,440
you

1560
01:19:39,440 --> 01:19:42,600
right you get rid of the CD assistant

1561
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:45,239
yes that was

1562
01:19:45,239 --> 01:19:48,360
CDG so you didn't want that oh so that

1563
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:51,840
one's Grant funded also CD

1564
01:19:51,840 --> 01:20:00,149
assistant

1565
01:20:00,159 --> 01:20:11,510
that that is

1566
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,639
my no I'm

1567
01:20:14,639 --> 01:20:17,199
good again I would just like to state

1568
01:20:17,199 --> 01:20:19,000
that I would recommend not taking away

1569
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:21,750
the it

1570
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:23,560
position

1571
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:33,030
INF Tech specialist ips3 for

1572
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:35,679
it I mean it's not like this is a new

1573
01:20:35,679 --> 01:20:38,280
position on top of they already have

1574
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:40,760
staff in but I think the need has

1575
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:44,159
increased in terms of the complexity of

1576
01:20:44,159 --> 01:20:48,840
our it for the city and the risk

1577
01:20:48,840 --> 01:21:02,070
of cyber problems

1578
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:06,550
for discussion on these

1579
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:09,600
items so but we remove the management

1580
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,199
position there already so you okay with

1581
01:21:11,199 --> 01:21:13,679
leaving that out the infotech specialist

1582
01:21:13,679 --> 01:21:18,790
that was asked for by the department

1583
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:20,600
but right

1584
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:24,120
here no I'm okay okay with the I'm okay

1585
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:25,639
with the positions that Finance has

1586
01:21:25,639 --> 01:21:29,040
removed from the budget yes the ones in

1587
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:31,320
yellow unfortunately on the report but

1588
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:35,120
those were not funded in the24 budget

1589
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:37,600
okay go ahead please can just one more

1590
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,120
time what do you recommending we remove

1591
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:42,360
no I'm

1592
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:46,880
suggesting we keep the IPS free

1593
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:50,560
utilities admin keep the IT specialist

1594
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:53,199
Web Master right

1595
01:21:53,199 --> 01:21:56,639
keep the GI anti coordinator great

1596
01:21:56,639 --> 01:21:59,440
the um we already removed the I'm going

1597
01:21:59,440 --> 01:22:01,840
skip the street manager we already

1598
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:03,920
removed the fleet

1599
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:08,310
manager hearing

1600
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:12,520
mhm I'm going to skip the Moto

1601
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:19,990
equipment I'm okay with keeping the two of

1602
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:26,760
them the one the CD assistant I

1603
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:32,510
was and the L inspector

1604
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:35,440
resor so the only thing you're not

1605
01:22:35,440 --> 01:22:37,719
suggesting at this time is the IQ

1606
01:22:37,719 --> 01:22:40,280
specialist Web

1607
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:43,320
Master no the IPS

1608
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:46,360
for oh the second

1609
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:50,440
one and then um other know Miss P field

1610
01:22:50,440 --> 01:22:52,800
position on the um street department

1611
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:55,000
manager and

1612
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:59,280
the and equipment operator

1613
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:03,840
mechanic you had RAC concern that so

1614
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:07,520
that department manag that change that

1615
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:10,480
change my concern that I explain the one

1616
01:23:10,480 --> 01:23:15,719
where they are now salary by 14% but

1617
01:23:15,719 --> 01:23:18,679
Mr Mr says because of his additional

1618
01:23:18,679 --> 01:23:20,280
duties he would have then split it back

1619
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:23,360
into two so those are my concerns a 14%

1620
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:25,560
increase after we saw it the second time

1621
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:31,229
not when we saw the first

1622
01:23:31,239 --> 01:23:33,400
time we also said there's not going to

1623
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:38,430
be a Sten in that

1624
01:23:38,440 --> 01:23:41,520
position what is your

1625
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:43,960
recommendation well I I would say that

1626
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:49,990
we could could lower that to 10% I more

1627
01:23:50,000 --> 01:24:00,669
comfortable lower which one I'm sorry

1628
01:24:00,679 --> 01:24:03,360
dep yeah please I think if you lower I

1629
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:05,159
don't know if that the person would take

1630
01:24:05,159 --> 01:24:07,239
that position and then you would then we

1631
01:24:07,239 --> 01:24:08,400
would

1632
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:10,400
have then we would have a problem

1633
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:12,440
because then we won't have a direct

1634
01:24:12,440 --> 01:24:14,719
solid way if they want to lower that

1635
01:24:14,719 --> 01:24:16,639
street department manager's position you

1636
01:24:16,639 --> 01:24:18,840
won't take the position why would you

1637
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:21,480
lower he's already in that position why

1638
01:24:21,480 --> 01:24:23,199
would you lower it he's already in the

1639
01:24:23,199 --> 01:24:25,080
position I mean you should get a raise

1640
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:27,600
right a 14% raise is

1641
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:29,840
what no you're saying get rid of the

1642
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,159
splitting it into two right aren't you

1643
01:24:32,159 --> 01:24:34,080
saying no I'm saying if even if it is

1644
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:37,400
two I'm saying the increase 10% is what

1645
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:41,000
I'm saying the two but we can't I mean

1646
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:42,440
that would have to be negotiated with

1647
01:24:42,440 --> 01:24:43,159
the

1648
01:24:43,159 --> 01:24:44,719
gentleman

1649
01:24:44,719 --> 01:24:47,440
um outside of this

1650
01:24:47,440 --> 01:24:50,320
meeting I'm I'm pretty sure that he

1651
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:53,119
would not accept the

1652
01:24:53,119 --> 01:24:54,800
which would mean we have to go back to I

1653
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:56,119
believe it's called street department

1654
01:24:56,119 --> 01:24:57,760
manager and that's the job that he's

1655
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:01,719
currently in so that job is the 88,000

1656
01:25:01,719 --> 01:25:04,960
whatever plus we'd have to put in for a

1657
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,679
raise because that's not in this budget

1658
01:25:07,679 --> 01:25:11,360
um because he should get a raise right

1659
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:18,109
get get a 4%

1660
01:25:18,119 --> 01:25:21,280
ra yeah they

1661
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:30,990
have

1662
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:33,600
so it's just a savings of you know the

1663
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:35,600
20 something well it won't even be 20

1664
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:36,880
something because what did you say the

1665
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:39,159
race would be be his salary would be

1666
01:25:39,159 --> 01:25:39,920
about

1667
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:50,709
92,000 so be saving like $112,000 or

1668
01:25:50,719 --> 01:25:52,880
something that's my

1669
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:55,199
that's pardon me I said that was my

1670
01:25:55,199 --> 01:25:57,199
recommendation initially like I said

1671
01:25:57,199 --> 01:25:58,600
when it came to us they had a title it

1672
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:00,440
was given us 4% came back with another

1673
01:26:00,440 --> 01:26:02,920
title um same

1674
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:06,199
situation but now I came back with it

1675
01:26:06,199 --> 01:26:07,520
back to its original title but the

1676
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:09,719
amount that of the increase is not no

1677
01:26:09,719 --> 01:26:12,790
longer four it was

1678
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,830
14

1679
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:18,920
so so let me Rec this so you were just

1680
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:23,280
recommending a 10% increase not the 14%

1681
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:25,480
but more than likely the person might

1682
01:26:25,480 --> 01:26:31,600
not be taking that position based on the reduction you

1683
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:34,840
think I can't speak for I'm just putting

1684
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:37,239
in my

1685
01:26:37,239 --> 01:26:41,080
mind back to the the position of

1686
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:44,119
88400 and with

1687
01:26:44,119 --> 01:26:47,000
the the regular increase is that what

1688
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:48,440
you're suggesting as Port I'm just

1689
01:26:48,440 --> 01:26:50,639
trying to recap this so we move forward

1690
01:26:50,639 --> 01:26:53,119
no if if this gentleman wants to take

1691
01:26:53,119 --> 01:26:54,920
this person wants to take both jobs I'm

1692
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:57,600
just saying I think the 14% increas is

1693
01:26:57,600 --> 01:26:58,840
significant it's not what we were

1694
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:01,320
initially presented with so um it was

1695
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:02,639
initially presented even though there

1696
01:27:02,639 --> 01:27:07,000
was a title change as 4% increase so now

1697
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:08,719
we're seeing additional 10 when it came

1698
01:27:08,719 --> 01:27:10,199
back and it changed back to its original

1699
01:27:10,199 --> 01:27:13,560
title I'm simply suggesting that we

1700
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:15,760
leave it as is but have a 10% increase

1701
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:18,040
versus a

1702
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:20,920
14 well what I would suggest is you can

1703
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:23,400
leave his position there the 4% raise

1704
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:25,920
then give me the position back that we

1705
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:31,830
had deleted for what was 880,000

1706
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:35,199
88,000 so you'd have two 88,000 position

1707
01:27:35,199 --> 01:27:38,390
correct yeah that's

1708
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:41,719
what so that's a cost

1709
01:27:41,719 --> 01:27:44,800
savings no

1710
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:47,679
sarcastic okay thanks I was thank you

1711
01:27:47,679 --> 01:27:49,600
for what you said Miss pter field I was

1712
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:51,119
just under the impression last night

1713
01:27:51,119 --> 01:27:53,159
that that yourself and Mr Williams on

1714
01:27:53,159 --> 01:27:54,600
the finance committee were okay with

1715
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:58,560
this last evening voted up

1716
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:01,520
right I think we've kind of work through

1717
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:03,639
that

1718
01:28:03,639 --> 01:28:13,149
agreement on last

1719
01:28:13,159 --> 01:28:16,639
night item of the first

1720
01:28:16,639 --> 01:28:20,800
page yep there it is to that's okay

1721
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:23,920
thank you

1722
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:31,149
we're in the theater of

1723
01:28:31,159 --> 01:28:33,719
the we should sell tickets we can help

1724
01:28:33,719 --> 01:28:35,840
with the

1725
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:37,920
deficit you know what we're here to

1726
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:39,840
discuss this and I I think the sarcasm

1727
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:42,840
is not necessary

1728
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:45,960
well as far as the IPS position goes I

1729
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:47,480
would object to that because we're

1730
01:28:47,480 --> 01:28:51,760
getting meams more data all the time we

1731
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:54,560
have have trying to put that out on the

1732
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:57,280
website we've created that thing with

1733
01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:58,960
the police department to put the data

1734
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:02,840
out there we're essentially probably

1735
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:05,440
going to put even more data out there

1736
01:29:05,440 --> 01:29:10,750
removing that position I think would

1737
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:13,440
beish yeah but the department is already

1738
01:29:13,440 --> 01:29:16,000
they have some staffing the amount of

1739
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:17,960
data that's coming in it's not like

1740
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:20,159
something new or they don't have

1741
01:29:20,159 --> 01:29:22,560
Staffing that we're trying to but we're

1742
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:24,760
getting more and more data you need

1743
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:26,600
somebody to analyze the data otherwise

1744
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:29,159
the data is meaningless and protect the

1745
01:29:29,159 --> 01:29:35,270
data is also the other

1746
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:38,080
concern go ahead please so the positions

1747
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:39,440
you highlighted and also I would

1748
01:29:39,440 --> 01:29:42,280
entertain uh Council Mo quarter Field's

1749
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:44,159
uh reduction for that street department

1750
01:29:44,159 --> 01:29:50,350
manager

1751
01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:52,880
10% what is the position on the the

1752
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:57,870
motor equipment operator mechanic

1753
01:29:57,880 --> 01:30:01,560
one you had made some comments on that

1754
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:03,760
yes and um it's again that position that

1755
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:07,400
is there alone um using an automatic

1756
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:10,840
lift around a car cars multiple and I

1757
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:12,800
was I was asking Mr Fon if there's a way

1758
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:14,400
for us to be able to do that work

1759
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:16,119
considering the fact that we're we've

1760
01:30:16,119 --> 01:30:19,080
expended $612,000 in garages anyway to

1761
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:22,000
somehow be able to either cut that back

1762
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:24,600
or to be able to not have this position

1763
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:26,280
um again because I considered a safety

1764
01:30:26,280 --> 01:30:28,719
risk and I'll say that again and again

1765
01:30:28,719 --> 01:30:35,390
so that was my concern around

1766
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:38,920
that go ahead please I I appreciate that

1767
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:41,320
you're concerned about the safety but I

1768
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:43,800
do think again it's 2:00 p.m. to 10:

1769
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:46,280
p.m. so let's say like from 2: p.m. to 7

1770
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:50,719
p.m. you know it's probably not unsafe

1771
01:30:50,719 --> 01:30:52,840
but I mean I'm just saying I mean it's

1772
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:57,400
not night time um and then so it is 3

1773
01:30:57,400 --> 01:31:01,280
hours it's 2: to 10 it's 2: p.m. to 10m

1774
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:04,719
that's the 8 hour shift so um I just

1775
01:31:04,719 --> 01:31:07,000
feel like maybe there's other options

1776
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:09,159
that the department head could figure

1777
01:31:09,159 --> 01:31:10,800
out because I think you expressed

1778
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:13,080
concern as well about the safety but

1779
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:14,800
there you know let's give them a chance

1780
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:19,400
to figure out um how to keep it safe I

1781
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:22,719
mean any employee that we have

1782
01:31:22,719 --> 01:31:24,600
we worry about their safety I mean

1783
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:27,040
whether it's I mean these are concerns

1784
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:29,880
that I think that facility expected to

1785
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:32,639
operate a fully OA compliant environment

1786
01:31:32,639 --> 01:31:43,070
to maintain the highest standards there

1787
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:46,239
so let's just see where it goes you and

1788
01:31:46,239 --> 01:31:47,520
Mr

1789
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:50,199
Williams we still discussing still

1790
01:31:50,199 --> 01:31:54,520
discussing you want it I said what I

1791
01:31:54,520 --> 01:32:04,270
give to

1792
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:06,360
express I guess we'd have to see what

1793
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:08,040
the savings are going to be too right I

1794
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:09,920
mean before we move on with our

1795
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:11,560
discussion would we have to rerun these

1796
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:17,119
lists for example that is correct yes so just the

1797
01:32:17,119 --> 01:32:19,920
two and I was going to say here um

1798
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:22,639
outside of uh safety concerns um is

1799
01:32:22,639 --> 01:32:24,679
there a opportunity for some cost

1800
01:32:24,679 --> 01:32:27,280
savings if we're using um the our

1801
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:30,840
existing Partners to do some of this

1802
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:33,199
work ask that question

1803
01:32:33,199 --> 01:32:35,560
already but there there's no cost

1804
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:38,119
savings there that kind of more

1805
01:32:38,119 --> 01:32:40,560
expensive to go to contractors okay more

1806
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:43,119
expensive I think that's if we had to

1807
01:32:43,119 --> 01:32:44,920
use all the different

1808
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:47,280
garages the whole reason for putting

1809
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:50,480
this forward is to generate cost savings

1810
01:32:50,480 --> 01:32:52,679
and improve theer operational efficiency

1811
01:32:52,679 --> 01:32:56,239
of the ability to turn Vehicles over and

1812
01:32:56,239 --> 01:32:59,719
keep them op so the city Workforce can

1813
01:32:59,719 --> 01:33:02,910
do the jobs they're supposed

1814
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:05,679
to so how but how can we see the savings

1815
01:33:05,679 --> 01:33:08,800
that the outside garage is then if we're

1816
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:10,600
funding this position how how are we

1817
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:18,990
managing that that number in theory will

1818
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:22,520
drop so is there a plan to um then bring

1819
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:24,280
some of the work in that's currently

1820
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:26,840
being out yes

1821
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:29,040
um because that wasn't part of the

1822
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:32,149
discussion when it

1823
01:33:32,159 --> 01:33:36,239
was I'm just stating if you want

1824
01:33:36,239 --> 01:33:39,040
to our mechanical budget is based on a

1825
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:41,199
number of we have smaller Vehicles we

1826
01:33:41,199 --> 01:33:42,679
have very large Vehicles we have

1827
01:33:42,679 --> 01:33:45,480
frontend loaders there are certain tasks

1828
01:33:45,480 --> 01:33:47,360
that our employees are capable of doing

1829
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:49,679
in house there are tasks that we are not

1830
01:33:49,679 --> 01:33:52,119
capable of doing in house those repairs

1831
01:33:52,119 --> 01:33:55,760
go up to heavy equipment places I can't

1832
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:58,080
tell you Year from year what piece of

1833
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:00,400
equipment will fail that we can fix or

1834
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:03,320
cannot fix what I can tell you is that

1835
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:04,440
the other night when we sat in the

1836
01:34:04,440 --> 01:34:06,080
meeting I heard how we don't have a lot

1837
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:08,560
of cars because they get tied up during

1838
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:11,040
the day during the normal work day so

1839
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:13,360
the codes Department short Vehicles the

1840
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:15,119
way to rectify that is for me to do some

1841
01:34:15,119 --> 01:34:17,639
of the basic maintenance on the off ship

1842
01:34:17,639 --> 01:34:19,119
so those vehicles are ready in the

1843
01:34:19,119 --> 01:34:21,080
morning for people to get in and utilize

1844
01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:22,800
them and not be stuck looking for a

1845
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:26,159
vehicle that's not available so that I

1846
01:34:26,159 --> 01:34:29,360
cannot tell you that every we do is

1847
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:31,119
going to save someone it will save

1848
01:34:31,119 --> 01:34:32,840
somebody but it will make it efficient

1849
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:34,840
that the vehicles are ready available

1850
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:36,840
for other staff members to get in in the

1851
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:39,840
morning okay not sitting in the office

1852
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:41,480
because that vehicle is in there having

1853
01:34:41,480 --> 01:34:44,119
ties changed being inspected or having

1854
01:34:44,119 --> 01:34:45,679
oil

1855
01:34:45,679 --> 01:34:48,560
changes we work the same hours of mural

1856
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:51,000
service that City Hall does pretty much

1857
01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:53,360
so unless I want to change the shifts at

1858
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:56,119
Bureau service everybody worked the 3 to

1859
01:34:56,119 --> 01:34:58,760
11 shift and cars will be available but

1860
01:34:58,760 --> 01:35:01,360
it's not going to happen so we do our

1861
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:03,440
best to save the money but there are

1862
01:35:03,440 --> 01:35:05,920
tasks that we cannot do in house it's

1863
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:07,800
beyond the means of our

1864
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:10,560
mechanics we always try to save but that

1865
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:13,639
600,000 you referred to is every vehicle

1866
01:35:13,639 --> 01:35:17,199
in the city fleet that's fire trucks

1867
01:35:17,199 --> 01:35:20,400
that's police cars That's Heavy

1868
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:23,400
Equipment not just the vehicles we want

1869
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:26,560
to change oil it's our boom trucks it's

1870
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:28,199
everything it's our garbage trucks with

1871
01:35:28,199 --> 01:35:31,719
the hydraulic LS and the pneumatic Rams

1872
01:35:31,719 --> 01:35:35,040
so all that money is in one

1873
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:37,440
pool But it includes the vehicles that

1874
01:35:37,440 --> 01:35:39,000
now be doing the work on right it

1875
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:40,880
includes the vehicles that we would do

1876
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:42,520
what we would call more minor

1877
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:44,960
maintenance on oil changes Tire changes

1878
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:47,800
you know light bulbs directionals things

1879
01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:50,400
like that yes but the efficiency is that

1880
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:53,040
the vehicle is done in the evening when

1881
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:55,000
nobody's utilizing it or needs it and

1882
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:57,679
it's readily available for SNAP for

1883
01:35:57,679 --> 01:36:00,480
codes everybody else to go out and do in

1884
01:36:00,480 --> 01:36:01,800
the morning when they

1885
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:13,270
arrive and if

1886
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:15,400
that's I could have used that a few

1887
01:36:15,400 --> 01:36:17,080
minutes

1888
01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:20,520
ago our staff moving at all times having

1889
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:26,669
the

1890
01:36:26,679 --> 01:36:29,360
Avil how do we Mo forward from

1891
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:31,639
this I still have concerns about the

1892
01:36:31,639 --> 01:36:33,520
position but you know it's up to the

1893
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:42,990
finance committee that they want to do

1894
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:47,040
but finance committee leave the position

1895
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:48,880
ultimately we'll save money and become

1896
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:50,280
more

1897
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:59,709
efficient

1898
01:36:59,719 --> 01:37:02,639
I'm comfortable trying it comfortable

1899
01:37:02,639 --> 01:37:04,280
what I'm sorry trying it trying it keep

1900
01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:20,189
it trying keeping it

1901
01:37:20,199 --> 01:37:36,189
in

1902
01:37:36,199 --> 01:37:37,760
any other discussion on

1903
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:41,040
this m you making notes or we have to go

1904
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:43,599
back you guys got totally confused go

1905
01:37:43,599 --> 01:37:48,709
back and forth up and down in

1906
01:37:48,719 --> 01:37:53,510
and just let me know

1907
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:55,000
you guys got to hurry up too my meds are

1908
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:57,080
starting to wear

1909
01:37:57,080 --> 01:38:00,080
off how much longer I can sit here Mr

1910
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:01,520
Williams you have any more discussion on

1911
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:04,800
this with regard to I I did outline what

1912
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:07,400
I am suggesting that we keep and then

1913
01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:09,679
you added this one here Moto equipment

1914
01:38:09,679 --> 01:38:12,880
operator mechanic to keep that we did

1915
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:16,960
remove the um fleet manager prior

1916
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:19,360
discussion and M pfield you are

1917
01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:22,440
suggesting that we adjust the street

1918
01:38:22,440 --> 01:38:26,520
department manager to 10%

1919
01:38:26,520 --> 01:38:29,400
yes but that

1920
01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:36,149
10% just fast calculation would be

1921
01:38:36,159 --> 01:38:38,880
10,351 so it saves under

1922
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:43,040
$4,000 excuse me it save under 4,000

1923
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:45,679
3,664

1924
01:38:45,679 --> 01:38:47,719
3,649 but we have to keep the other

1925
01:38:47,719 --> 01:38:49,320
position in because probably the guy's

1926
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:52,199
going to say the guy's going to say no

1927
01:38:52,199 --> 01:38:54,119
probably I know we can't speak for

1928
01:38:54,119 --> 01:38:56,960
them so so you got to put the other 88

1929
01:38:56,960 --> 01:38:59,800
back in plus the benefits for the 88

1930
01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:00,840
plus the

1931
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:04,239
race so I'd put both in the hund and

1932
01:39:04,239 --> 01:39:07,520
whatever Plus the 88 so there's no

1933
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:10,360
savings it's extra

1934
01:39:10,360 --> 01:39:12,719
money because you'd have to put both in

1935
01:39:12,719 --> 01:39:13,800
then you'd be able to take it out

1936
01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:16,040
afterwards when he if he says

1937
01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:20,239
no Mr yeah please so if we're going to

1938
01:39:20,239 --> 01:39:22,119
continue to keep calculating and I'll

1939
01:39:22,119 --> 01:39:24,080
continue to keep saying that concessions

1940
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:26,119
need to be made in negotiation is the

1941
01:39:26,119 --> 01:39:28,960
exchange of ideas and compromises after

1942
01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:31,280
hearing all the information from Mr Lon

1943
01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:33,360
understanding uh that there is a

1944
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:35,000
potential need potential cost savings

1945
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:36,719
based on the work after hearing Miss

1946
01:39:36,719 --> 01:39:39,199
Porterfield identify her safety concerns

1947
01:39:39,199 --> 01:39:42,040
I elected to make a concession yet again

1948
01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:44,000
uh after hearing that this individual

1949
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:45,639
although there will be significant cost

1950
01:39:45,639 --> 01:39:49,040
savings a raise is a raise so I think if

1951
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:50,760
this individual would like to make more

1952
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:52,040
money

1953
01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:53,800
I think this is still important for him

1954
01:39:53,800 --> 01:39:55,840
to reflect on the facts and yes he can

1955
01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:58,119
still hear this conversation right now

1956
01:39:58,119 --> 01:40:00,280
tonight and'll let to not proceed with

1957
01:40:00,280 --> 01:40:03,360
this position U but that is a a risk

1958
01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:05,159
analysis that we all have to make right

1959
01:40:05,159 --> 01:40:07,760
now and I myself in the position I would

1960
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:11,310
take more

1961
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:14,679
money understand I don't

1962
01:40:14,679 --> 01:40:19,950
get

1963
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:23,390
support

1964
01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:26,360
he's supporting 100 he's supporting 1003

1965
01:40:26,360 --> 01:40:31,070
or whatever you

1966
01:40:31,080 --> 01:40:33,840
said you heard

1967
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:37,480
it so I'm just going to recap

1968
01:40:37,480 --> 01:40:40,280
and make sure my my suggestion was some

1969
01:40:40,280 --> 01:40:43,510
of the

1970
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:48,639
items ipst utilities admin we keep that

1971
01:40:48,639 --> 01:40:52,199
IT specialist keep that the give antiv

1972
01:40:52,199 --> 01:40:54,920
violent coordinator keep that free

1973
01:40:54,920 --> 01:40:59,480
department manager we suggested to

1974
01:40:59,480 --> 01:41:01,920
10% the Sleep manager will already

1975
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:05,679
removed prior meeting we're keeping the

1976
01:41:05,679 --> 01:41:07,880
Moto equipment operator

1977
01:41:07,880 --> 01:41:12,639
mechanic and we're keeping the me all to

1978
01:41:12,639 --> 01:41:15,880
position and the other two position are

1979
01:41:15,880 --> 01:41:16,920
Grand

1980
01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:19,320
funded Mr ferrrari

1981
01:41:19,320 --> 01:41:24,870
so we're keeping

1982
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:28,599
for thir time is it Grand

1983
01:41:28,599 --> 01:41:32,440
funding just like give anti so out of

1984
01:41:32,440 --> 01:41:33,719
that page the only thing you're taking

1985
01:41:33,719 --> 01:41:40,709
out is IPS

1986
01:41:40,719 --> 01:41:44,760
foring Street depart

1987
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:47,639
manager the street manager you're just

1988
01:41:47,639 --> 01:41:51,400
changing Street manager to, 351

1989
01:41:51,400 --> 01:41:53,159
yes

1990
01:41:53,159 --> 01:41:56,000
okay what happens if uh he does not

1991
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:58,440
accept that position that's why I'm

1992
01:41:58,440 --> 01:41:59,960
saying that I think that you better put

1993
01:41:59,960 --> 01:42:02,280
the other position back into the budget

1994
01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:03,760
or I mean we're just going to have to

1995
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:05,800
make an amendment or something that's

1996
01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:08,239
one I just want to be clear that we can

1997
01:42:08,239 --> 01:42:09,440
always make anend you guys are

1998
01:42:09,440 --> 01:42:13,800
suggesting this um and that yeah I mean

1999
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:15,679
it doesn't really make person refuse the

2000
01:42:15,679 --> 01:42:19,760
position we can make budget

2001
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:23,709
appropriation

2002
01:42:23,719 --> 01:42:25,560
we have done that in the

2003
01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:33,109
past any other discussion on

2004
01:42:33,119 --> 01:42:35,520
these hold on just for clearity on that

2005
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:37,440
though the the daylight between the kind

2006
01:42:37,440 --> 01:42:42,920
of the two uh thoughts is really is is the difference between the 14% rise

2007
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:45,880
and the 10% race

2008
01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:48,400
correct yes right okay cuz they I don't

2009
01:42:48,400 --> 01:42:49,760
know it just started kind of sound

2010
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:51,560
framing it as if

2011
01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:54,159
there was going to be we would have to

2012
01:42:54,159 --> 01:42:55,800
add back in other position and then

2013
01:42:55,800 --> 01:42:57,920
commit to fully funding that position so

2014
01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:00,000
really the negotiation point right now

2015
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:02,520
is is 10 is 10% versus

2016
01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:05,199
14% corre yeah the proposal is to move

2017
01:43:05,199 --> 01:43:07,480
forward funding this position of

2018
01:43:07,480 --> 01:43:09,920
$3,051 and if the person refus the

2019
01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:11,560
position then we'll do a budget

2020
01:43:11,560 --> 01:43:14,159
amendment and to bring back the

2021
01:43:14,159 --> 01:43:16,960
position F old position but it's not

2022
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:18,239
unlike other races that have been

2023
01:43:18,239 --> 01:43:19,880
brought before us and we haven't given

2024
01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:22,360
the f

2025
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:25,520
so again though it is I'm sorry no no no

2026
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:26,920
that's what I just want to say again

2027
01:43:26,920 --> 01:43:28,679
we're not listening to the dep

2028
01:43:28,679 --> 01:43:31,280
department head who is trying to do

2029
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:32,520
something that's going to make us more

2030
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:34,639
efficient so that's my last comment we

2031
01:43:34,639 --> 01:43:36,080
don't really have I mean you

2032
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:38,239
know we're listening to that we're just

2033
01:43:38,239 --> 01:43:39,639
saying that the amount that that's

2034
01:43:39,639 --> 01:43:40,880
budgeted which is what we're doing

2035
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:42,560
budgeting is not the amount that you

2036
01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:44,440
know just not that it's a budgeted that

2037
01:43:44,440 --> 01:43:46,119
amount not saying that you shouldn't do

2038
01:43:46,119 --> 01:43:47,840
that saying that that's not the amount

2039
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:50,119
of of raise that we want to get towards

2040
01:43:50,119 --> 01:43:51,239
that

2041
01:43:51,239 --> 01:43:53,719
well again let me reiterate my position

2042
01:43:53,719 --> 01:43:55,159
because I'm the one that runs the

2043
01:43:55,159 --> 01:43:57,719
day-to-day operations move the position

2044
01:43:57,719 --> 01:43:59,840
back down to the four% raise and

2045
01:43:59,840 --> 01:44:19,589
reinstate the other

2046
01:44:19,599 --> 01:44:22,950
position

2047
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:25,599
was the position

2048
01:44:25,599 --> 01:44:27,920
vacant that now he's taking that's

2049
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:29,440
already been a vacant

2050
01:44:29,440 --> 01:44:30,960
position

2051
01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:37,599
Mr it doesn't it was V okay so that so

2052
01:44:37,599 --> 01:44:39,040
okay I just wanted to make sure it was a

2053
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:43,320
vacant position um so it's not like it's

2054
01:44:43,320 --> 01:44:45,760
so it it could conceivably be on a list

2055
01:44:45,760 --> 01:44:49,560
of vac position that we could remove

2056
01:44:49,560 --> 01:44:58,830
conceivably

2057
01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:01,000
I think can Mr leine clarify for us

2058
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:03,360
please oh yes the street manager

2059
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:04,960
position has always been in the budget

2060
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:08,599
for years that position would stay there

2061
01:45:08,599 --> 01:45:10,560
yes and then the other budget has been

2062
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:13,400
it was only vated this year the solid

2063
01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:15,440
waste director

2064
01:45:15,440 --> 01:45:18,639
that keep that in the budget at

2065
01:45:18,639 --> 01:45:21,560
88,000 and then hold these manager jop

2066
01:45:21,560 --> 01:45:26,080
the 4% and I'll try and fill a new Sol

2067
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:29,000
waste director adse and we're just

2068
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:30,599
assuming that the person would not

2069
01:45:30,599 --> 01:45:36,639
accept the 4% as opposed to the 14 10% as opposed to the 14 because

2070
01:45:36,639 --> 01:45:38,159
originally the way it was presented was

2071
01:45:38,159 --> 01:45:42,679
only 4% it was a regards to finance way

2072
01:45:42,679 --> 01:45:49,470
it was work oh but I can't speak for

2073
01:45:49,480 --> 01:45:52,440
okay

2074
01:45:52,440 --> 01:45:54,560
now next step you're going to clarify

2075
01:45:54,560 --> 01:46:05,870
what on this yeah we'll go back and

2076
01:46:05,880 --> 01:46:11,910
discuss are we okay to add that position

2077
01:46:11,920 --> 01:46:16,310
back let for questions to

2078
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:18,639
everyone or we just go with the street

2079
01:46:18,639 --> 01:46:21,480
department manager under

2080
01:46:21,480 --> 01:46:24,280
000 yes and if there's any adjustment we

2081
01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:28,080
can always do a budget re appropriation

2082
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:30,400
yes and both of those positions have

2083
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:33,599
been filled one individual resigned when

2084
01:46:33,599 --> 01:46:35,639
he had an unfortunate engagement with

2085
01:46:35,639 --> 01:46:38,159
the local on enforcement and if you

2086
01:46:38,159 --> 01:46:40,320
don't want to move the one up I'd ask

2087
01:46:40,320 --> 01:46:43,440
that two positions be

2088
01:46:43,440 --> 01:46:45,320
reestablished one's there and

2089
01:46:45,320 --> 01:46:49,390
reestablish the other

2090
01:46:49,400 --> 01:46:53,149
one

2091
01:46:53,159 --> 01:46:54,960
do we have that on this list here that

2092
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:56,679
the May is talking about is that on this

2093
01:46:56,679 --> 01:47:01,800
list excuse me is that on this list two

2094
01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:07,080
position May saying add add the

2095
01:47:07,080 --> 01:47:10,920
two Sol is on the list yes yes we do

2096
01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:18,390
have those two

2097
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:29,709
positions stre dep

2098
01:47:29,719 --> 01:47:32,040
Mr M yeah please mayor's requesting

2099
01:47:32,040 --> 01:47:34,120
correct yes got

2100
01:47:34,120 --> 01:47:49,320
[Music]

2101
01:47:49,320 --> 01:47:53,189
you

2102
01:47:53,199 --> 01:47:55,360
I'm okay to Mo

2103
01:47:55,360 --> 01:47:59,480
hard discuss here on here unless there's

2104
01:47:59,480 --> 01:48:01,159
no any other

2105
01:48:01,159 --> 01:48:04,520
changes it's fine did you oh you have

2106
01:48:04,520 --> 01:48:13,310
the vote so I'm

2107
01:48:13,320 --> 01:48:17,040
against AG green on this sheet to move

2108
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:21,560
forward did you mean any of this

2109
01:48:21,560 --> 01:48:23,360
I make enough notes but I don't know

2110
01:48:23,360 --> 01:48:25,199
what what the results are I'm going to

2111
01:48:25,199 --> 01:48:27,560
go back again just tell me to the ones

2112
01:48:27,560 --> 01:48:30,760
that you're not what are you not uh

2113
01:48:30,760 --> 01:48:35,239
funding the IPS it position okay that's

2114
01:48:35,239 --> 01:48:36,400
the only

2115
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:40,040
one um the next one that we had already

2116
01:48:40,040 --> 01:48:42,870
the fleet

2117
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:48,080
manager that's it is that correct um not

2118
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:58,109
everyone yes all our expert

2119
01:48:58,119 --> 01:49:01,679
let's go back to the power and let's

2120
01:49:01,679 --> 01:49:06,239
entertain Mr Williams and M

2121
01:49:06,239 --> 01:49:08,880
changes regards to

2122
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:11,639
these so M Williams can you please go

2123
01:49:11,639 --> 01:49:14,719
through your changes so that mrar can

2124
01:49:14,719 --> 01:49:17,880
make note of it and then I would ask to

2125
01:49:17,880 --> 01:49:20,599
go through the suggested changes and the

2126
01:49:20,599 --> 01:49:22,599
same thing that

2127
01:49:22,599 --> 01:49:26,480
Mr so for the first page it was the code

2128
01:49:26,480 --> 01:49:29,159
enforcement officer the assistant to the

2129
01:49:29,159 --> 01:49:30,560
city

2130
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:34,280
engineer are you we two code enforcement

2131
01:49:34,280 --> 01:49:36,280
position are you saying just one one

2132
01:49:36,280 --> 01:49:37,560
just

2133
01:49:37,560 --> 01:49:40,040
one okay keep going down uh one

2134
01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:42,400
assistant to the city engineer one

2135
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:43,800
Junior civil

2136
01:49:43,800 --> 01:49:47,080
engineer one assistant Corporation

2137
01:49:47,080 --> 01:49:51,360
counsel one Meo streets

2138
01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:53,440
you got you got to uh keep up the Mr

2139
01:49:53,440 --> 01:49:57,000
Ferrari's not telling me to stop please

2140
01:49:57,000 --> 01:49:58,159
because we don't want to go back this

2141
01:49:58,159 --> 01:50:06,000
again got you please and two Water

2142
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:09,000
Maintenance you want to take those

2143
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:12,360
out that's what he's listing

2144
01:50:12,360 --> 01:50:14,760
wow what about water treatment what

2145
01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:16,119
about the water treatment that was in

2146
01:50:16,119 --> 01:50:18,880
your original one quot force

2147
01:50:18,880 --> 01:50:25,679
moner uh one uh assistant to the city

2148
01:50:25,679 --> 01:50:29,719
engineer right right

2149
01:50:29,719 --> 01:50:32,960
uh one assistant corporate councel

2150
01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:34,840
correct and one jior

2151
01:50:34,840 --> 01:50:38,709
engineer

2152
01:50:38,719 --> 01:50:43,310
okay how about the

2153
01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:45,560
street and then I got two Water

2154
01:50:45,560 --> 01:50:49,030
Maintenance workers

2155
01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:52,390
correct

2156
01:50:52,400 --> 01:50:55,000
treat

2157
01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:57,679
instrumentation he

2158
01:50:57,679 --> 01:51:06,069
said

2159
01:51:06,079 --> 01:51:11,510
water it's actually

2160
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:15,159
half follow me that

2161
01:51:15,159 --> 01:51:18,800
Eng well the uh junior civil engineer is

2162
01:51:18,800 --> 01:51:21,360
already out already out

2163
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:24,440
the I would cut the civil engineer

2164
01:51:24,440 --> 01:51:26,719
position I would leave the code

2165
01:51:26,719 --> 01:51:28,920
enforcement I would leave The

2166
01:51:28,920 --> 01:51:31,360
Corporation Council and

2167
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:33,360
M

2168
01:51:33,360 --> 01:51:36,639
and the carpenter I would take out sewer

2169
01:51:36,639 --> 01:51:37,880
and water at

2170
01:51:37,880 --> 01:51:40,280
one one

2171
01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:42,440
touch that's

2172
01:51:42,440 --> 01:51:47,920
our what we need and uh quite frankly

2173
01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:51,639
they're already under staffed

2174
01:51:51,639 --> 01:51:53,400
so you saying remove the carpenter

2175
01:51:53,400 --> 01:51:55,639
that's one

2176
01:51:55,639 --> 01:51:59,679
yes my only Cuts would be the civil

2177
01:51:59,679 --> 01:52:07,750
engineer and the uh

2178
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:10,760
Carpenter and the civil engineering

2179
01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:13,719
should go into the fund for fee for

2180
01:52:13,719 --> 01:52:16,560
services to hire so that they can do

2181
01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:18,280
their

2182
01:52:18,280 --> 01:52:33,510
work so you just sh Shifting the line

2183
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:37,599
correct that's okay property manager

2184
01:52:37,599 --> 01:52:40,360
Carpenter so Mr P would you be in favor

2185
01:52:40,360 --> 01:52:42,840
of removing the property management

2186
01:52:42,840 --> 01:52:45,159
Carpenter and return one for the water

2187
01:52:45,159 --> 01:52:46,920
maintenance

2188
01:52:46,920 --> 01:52:49,560
workers I'm not cutting any of the water

2189
01:52:49,560 --> 01:52:51,440
m maintenance workers I oppose that

2190
01:52:51,440 --> 01:52:53,679
they're already under staff we need good

2191
01:52:53,679 --> 01:52:56,239
water we need our sewage taken care of

2192
01:52:56,239 --> 01:52:58,000
it's one of the most important functions

2193
01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:04,629
in the

2194
01:53:04,639 --> 01:53:08,000
city so I'd be in favor of the property

2195
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:10,960
management uh Carpenter being listed and

2196
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:18,430
returning the both Water Maintenance

2197
01:53:18,440 --> 01:53:26,189
workers how any other

2198
01:53:26,199 --> 01:53:28,400
discussion my position I'm going to

2199
01:53:28,400 --> 01:53:30,639
agree with Mr Williams on the

2200
01:53:30,639 --> 01:53:34,119
recommended change and some of the

2201
01:53:34,119 --> 01:53:37,560
change on Mr parap the yours so I am

2202
01:53:37,560 --> 01:53:41,669
okay with

2203
01:53:41,679 --> 01:53:43,840
that any

2204
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:45,880
motion so you're okay with getting rid

2205
01:53:45,880 --> 01:53:47,639
of code enforcement officer is what

2206
01:53:47,639 --> 01:53:49,040
you're saying I just think it's

2207
01:53:49,040 --> 01:53:50,320
interesting because I think our

2208
01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:52,400
residents complain a lot I mean you know

2209
01:53:52,400 --> 01:53:53,960
I think that those are the kinds of

2210
01:53:53,960 --> 01:53:55,960
officers that we kind of need for some

2211
01:53:55,960 --> 01:53:57,440
of the quality of life issues that we

2212
01:53:57,440 --> 01:53:59,960
hear about all the time from

2213
01:53:59,960 --> 01:54:02,079
residents okay a code enforcement

2214
01:54:02,079 --> 01:54:04,000
officer I'm just saying you look over 20

2215
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:06,159
21 22

2216
01:54:06,159 --> 01:54:09,920
23 the trend of the vacancies and that's

2217
01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:12,239
try to address again I understand that

2218
01:54:12,239 --> 01:54:14,119
it's been difficult to find staff but I

2219
01:54:14,119 --> 01:54:16,400
do think that the department you know

2220
01:54:16,400 --> 01:54:18,159
has needed the staff and again I go back

2221
01:54:18,159 --> 01:54:19,400
to the fact that I think it was

2222
01:54:19,400 --> 01:54:22,800
difficult during Co um for recruitment

2223
01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:25,079
of different positions anticipating

2224
01:54:25,079 --> 01:54:29,599
hiring one individual next week a couple

2225
01:54:29,599 --> 01:54:32,480
other and on top of it it's also safety

2226
01:54:32,480 --> 01:54:36,679
and revenue line absolutely but we have

2227
01:54:36,679 --> 01:54:39,239
heard of applicants accepting and for

2228
01:54:39,239 --> 01:54:41,639
other reasons resending so I would focus

2229
01:54:41,639 --> 01:54:47,750
on the one fill

2230
01:54:47,760 --> 01:54:51,239
first okay Mr far you have notes of

2231
01:54:51,239 --> 01:54:54,040
those okay so we're looking at one uh

2232
01:54:54,040 --> 01:54:55,880
code enforcement officer one assistant

2233
01:54:55,880 --> 01:54:57,440
to the city

2234
01:54:57,440 --> 01:55:00,560
engineer one assistant Corporation

2235
01:55:00,560 --> 01:55:02,719
counsel and one Carpenter and we're

2236
01:55:02,719 --> 01:55:05,840
going to keep the MEO streets that what

2237
01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:07,800
we

2238
01:55:07,800 --> 01:55:09,800
said we're going to keep the two water

2239
01:55:09,800 --> 01:55:12,119
mainten guys I said I think got four

2240
01:55:12,119 --> 01:55:14,520
water mainten guys

2241
01:55:14,520 --> 01:55:16,599
right

2242
01:55:16,599 --> 01:55:20,920
in instead of taking to away so only on

2243
01:55:20,920 --> 01:55:22,960
we're uh go over one more time we're

2244
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:25,119
looking at uh one Court enforcement

2245
01:55:25,119 --> 01:55:28,280
officer one assistant to the engineer

2246
01:55:28,280 --> 01:55:32,430
one assistant Corporation

2247
01:55:32,440 --> 01:55:37,189
councel and one

2248
01:55:37,199 --> 01:55:40,360
Carpenter am I

2249
01:55:40,360 --> 01:55:47,880
correct and one of Theos one what oh you said one any okay

2250
01:55:47,880 --> 01:55:51,790
and N Street

2251
01:55:51,800 --> 01:55:53,159
and you're taking out the carpenter

2252
01:55:53,159 --> 01:55:55,199
aren't you I thought you were also

2253
01:55:55,199 --> 01:55:59,159
taking out the civil engineer

2254
01:55:59,159 --> 01:56:02,000
but oh that one was already out

2255
01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:04,520
gotcha no the one that was out was the

2256
01:56:04,520 --> 01:56:07,119
junor junior civil engineer but you I

2257
01:56:07,119 --> 01:56:09,719
think suggested taking out the yes right

2258
01:56:09,719 --> 01:56:12,480
yes okay so they didn't say that which

2259
01:56:12,480 --> 01:56:14,840
one Junior civil engineer no the civil

2260
01:56:14,840 --> 01:56:16,679
engineer civil

2261
01:56:16,679 --> 01:56:18,599
engineer I don't know if you're still

2262
01:56:18,599 --> 01:56:20,480
with that but I thought I heard you say

2263
01:56:20,480 --> 01:56:23,440
I did say that and I said keep the other

2264
01:56:23,440 --> 01:56:26,480
positions because they are necessary and

2265
01:56:26,480 --> 01:56:28,320
I also said put the civil engineering

2266
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:32,719
money into a fund to use for the work

2267
01:56:32,719 --> 01:56:34,880
that needs to be done fee for services

2268
01:56:34,880 --> 01:56:38,079
so okay I I I I can agree to that so

2269
01:56:38,079 --> 01:56:40,239
move the civil engineer one what is it

2270
01:56:40,239 --> 01:56:40,940
the

2271
01:56:40,940 --> 01:56:42,639
[Music]

2272
01:56:42,639 --> 01:56:45,719
80 but we need to find out first what is

2273
01:56:45,719 --> 01:56:47,800
the amount that's

2274
01:56:47,800 --> 01:56:52,159
necessary 93 3 6 plus the benefits right

2275
01:56:52,159 --> 01:56:54,119
65520 would you put those in for the

2276
01:56:54,119 --> 01:56:59,520
fees for service as well yes I can agree to

2277
01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:02,800
that in 2024 it's budget for 100,000 so

2278
01:57:02,800 --> 01:57:05,159
you want to do

2279
01:57:05,159 --> 01:57:08,119
2023 I was oh I was just looking at what

2280
01:57:08,119 --> 01:57:10,280
it has on this grid I don't know who put

2281
01:57:10,280 --> 01:57:12,440
this together budgeted for 100,000 this

2282
01:57:12,440 --> 01:57:14,400
year for the

2283
01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:16,400
increase so these figures aren't

2284
01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:18,560
actually what's in the budget the

2285
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:20,079
figures that are on the that was given

2286
01:57:20,079 --> 01:57:24,079
to us tonight are not 23

2287
01:57:24,079 --> 01:57:26,800
numbers these are not the 2023 numbers

2288
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:28,360
is what I'm saying these are the 2023

2289
01:57:28,360 --> 01:57:30,520
numbers up to 2023 they are the 23

2290
01:57:30,520 --> 01:57:33,320
numbers not the 24 numbers 24 numbers so

2291
01:57:33,320 --> 01:57:36,119
which would you like to suggest keeping

2292
01:57:36,119 --> 01:57:38,760
it whatever that 24 number is correct

2293
01:57:38,760 --> 01:57:41,560
whatever the 24 number for that um civil

2294
01:57:41,560 --> 01:57:43,719
engineer move that into the fees for

2295
01:57:43,719 --> 01:57:47,320
service Ling salary and benefit yes

2296
01:57:47,320 --> 01:57:48,400
whatever

2297
01:57:48,400 --> 01:57:50,760
that all right so I think we this one

2298
01:57:50,760 --> 01:57:52,920
added so we're in agreement for that so

2299
01:57:52,920 --> 01:57:55,599
Mr Ferrari please make

2300
01:57:55,599 --> 01:58:01,079
notes and that's going to go to uh fees for service under the engineering

2301
01:58:01,079 --> 01:58:04,480
uh fees fees for service for

2302
01:58:04,480 --> 01:58:06,960
engineering yes somebody's got to do the

2303
01:58:06,960 --> 01:58:09,560
work H somebody's got to do the work so

2304
01:58:09,560 --> 01:58:11,679
he's going to have to hire

2305
01:58:11,679 --> 01:58:13,920
outside yeah

2306
01:58:13,920 --> 01:58:16,079
that's I got a question about that

2307
01:58:16,079 --> 01:58:17,639
though if if we're if we're moving it

2308
01:58:17,639 --> 01:58:19,360
into the fees for service line Ember

2309
01:58:19,360 --> 01:58:20,760
including the salary and the full

2310
01:58:20,760 --> 01:58:24,119
benefits um what would be the purpose of

2311
01:58:24,119 --> 01:58:27,719
that cuz that to me that wouldn't really

2312
01:58:27,719 --> 01:58:30,880
um and in any cost savings it would just

2313
01:58:30,880 --> 01:58:33,079
be a different vehicle and if we're

2314
01:58:33,079 --> 01:58:34,440
going to spend the same money then I

2315
01:58:34,440 --> 01:58:37,159
think that we should defer to uh the

2316
01:58:37,159 --> 01:58:39,599
department head and that and and and do

2317
01:58:39,599 --> 01:58:42,000
what's already in that now so yeah if

2318
01:58:42,000 --> 01:58:44,119
we're going to do go that way

2319
01:58:44,119 --> 01:58:48,320
right sense makes sense that's my

2320
01:58:48,320 --> 01:58:51,790
suggestion

2321
01:58:51,800 --> 01:58:53,760
any other comments to

2322
01:58:53,760 --> 01:58:57,480
this so we ready to move forward with

2323
01:58:57,480 --> 01:59:00,040
this just verifi information that you

2324
01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:03,000
have and whatever was suggested you have

2325
01:59:03,000 --> 01:59:05,000
those pretty

2326
01:59:05,000 --> 01:59:08,520
sure I'm try so I don't think those were

2327
01:59:08,520 --> 01:59:10,079
the two discussion that we held over

2328
01:59:10,079 --> 01:59:11,719
from the last meeting unless we have

2329
01:59:11,719 --> 01:59:12,960
other

2330
01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:16,920
discussion um may I request that you um

2331
01:59:16,920 --> 01:59:19,440
input these changes and come back to us

2332
01:59:19,440 --> 01:59:22,880
let's see where we are oh I guess

2333
01:59:22,880 --> 01:59:27,159
not right now yes yeah so so you're not

2334
01:59:27,159 --> 01:59:28,400
going back to any of the other

2335
01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:31,000
discussions because the two of you made

2336
01:59:31,000 --> 01:59:32,560
those decisions the other evening about

2337
01:59:32,560 --> 01:59:34,960
the overtime for example we're not going

2338
01:59:34,960 --> 01:59:36,920
to revisit the that discussion well when

2339
01:59:36,920 --> 01:59:40,599
we get the now oh okay the mayad

2340
01:59:40,599 --> 01:59:42,480
mentioned that discussion with Chief

2341
01:59:42,480 --> 01:59:44,119
Marino you want to address that now

2342
01:59:44,119 --> 01:59:46,040
before they go and make changes or yeah

2343
01:59:46,040 --> 01:59:48,639
sure absolutely yeah yeah sorry sorry

2344
01:59:48,639 --> 01:59:51,480
for thanks yeah oh I think it's

2345
01:59:51,480 --> 01:59:53,000
important to recognize that as a newer

2346
01:59:53,000 --> 01:59:54,639
council member it's important for me to

2347
01:59:54,639 --> 01:59:57,040
reference the uh Chiefs and maintain I

2348
01:59:57,040 --> 02:00:00,239
think uh very open and uh I think

2349
02:00:00,239 --> 02:00:02,560
effective lines of communication as I'm

2350
02:00:02,560 --> 02:00:04,119
going through my second budget process

2351
02:00:04,119 --> 02:00:06,000
it's important for me to to recognize

2352
02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:07,440
the severity of the decisions that we

2353
02:00:07,440 --> 02:00:09,520
make but also making sure that I'm

2354
02:00:09,520 --> 02:00:11,679
functioning in line with what I uh

2355
02:00:11,679 --> 02:00:13,920
campaigned on uh which is making sure

2356
02:00:13,920 --> 02:00:16,840
that we have a Equitable budget and

2357
02:00:16,840 --> 02:00:19,400
financial process uh definitely my

2358
02:00:19,400 --> 02:00:21,159
conversations with both Chiefs I said

2359
02:00:21,159 --> 02:00:23,840
that I would be opening open revisiting

2360
02:00:23,840 --> 02:00:26,400
these conversations um but never was

2361
02:00:26,400 --> 02:00:29,719
there any promises uh I am only one vote

2362
02:00:29,719 --> 02:00:31,400
U but definitely as has happened

2363
02:00:31,400 --> 02:00:33,960
frequently on the council I can make a

2364
02:00:33,960 --> 02:00:36,000
decision and switch my mind at any point

2365
02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:38,880
in time uh so definitely uh using every

2366
02:00:38,880 --> 02:00:41,440
minute up until this moment uh I would

2367
02:00:41,440 --> 02:00:43,360
say as of right now I am still

2368
02:00:43,360 --> 02:00:45,320
functioning in my same stance that I had

2369
02:00:45,320 --> 02:00:46,440
the night

2370
02:00:46,440 --> 02:00:49,119
before which is cutting the cutting the

2371
02:00:49,119 --> 02:00:51,199
over time I'd rather not get into

2372
02:00:51,199 --> 02:00:53,159
semantics

2373
02:00:53,159 --> 02:00:55,639
but well except we have a lot of people

2374
02:00:55,639 --> 02:00:57,599
here so I just you know great and I

2375
02:00:57,599 --> 02:00:59,360
appreciate individuals being present in

2376
02:00:59,360 --> 02:01:02,960
our uh uh our process I hope that we

2377
02:01:02,960 --> 02:01:04,679
have the same viewers night in and night

2378
02:01:04,679 --> 02:01:06,760
out um but definitely as I had my

2379
02:01:06,760 --> 02:01:08,280
thoughtful uh discussions with both

2380
02:01:08,280 --> 02:01:10,560
Chief Marino and chief Clifford uh which

2381
02:01:10,560 --> 02:01:13,480
I definitely very much value uh I have

2382
02:01:13,480 --> 02:01:15,599
to sleep at night and the determination

2383
02:01:15,599 --> 02:01:17,119
that I made is remaining in line with

2384
02:01:17,119 --> 02:01:18,040
what I said

2385
02:01:18,040 --> 02:01:20,679
originally

2386
02:01:20,679 --> 02:01:22,679
go ahe please so by making these Cuts

2387
02:01:22,679 --> 02:01:25,400
we're inherently developing a a deficit

2388
02:01:25,400 --> 02:01:28,000
in the next year's budget first of all

2389
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:31,880
we're right around 1.9 Plus in overtime

2390
02:01:31,880 --> 02:01:35,560
for the police budget um we have two

2391
02:01:35,560 --> 02:01:38,239
major events coming up with the

2392
02:01:38,239 --> 02:01:42,040
Christmas parade and stock Adon as well

2393
02:01:42,040 --> 02:01:44,599
as both the Fire and Police Department

2394
02:01:44,599 --> 02:01:46,840
this is the time of year where most of

2395
02:01:46,840 --> 02:01:49,119
the overtime budget is used because

2396
02:01:49,119 --> 02:01:51,679
people want to take time off in the

2397
02:01:51,679 --> 02:01:54,199
holidays uh we're just creating a

2398
02:01:54,199 --> 02:01:57,440
structural deficit by cutting these um

2399
02:01:57,440 --> 02:01:59,320
especially when we're looking at hitting

2400
02:01:59,320 --> 02:02:03,119
these targets and going Beyond um we're

2401
02:02:03,119 --> 02:02:08,360
likely to hit 2.3 to 2.5 in the police

2402
02:02:08,360 --> 02:02:11,760
over time if you calculate those in and

2403
02:02:11,760 --> 02:02:15,040
the fire over time we are likely to uh

2404
02:02:15,040 --> 02:02:19,040
be very close to that Target as well so

2405
02:02:19,040 --> 02:02:20,760
cutting those just creates a structural

2406
02:02:20,760 --> 02:02:24,000
deficit that's just not

2407
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:26,560
wise go ahead please well I also think

2408
02:02:26,560 --> 02:02:29,480
since do since Chief U Marino and chief

2409
02:02:29,480 --> 02:02:30,960
Clifford are here I personally would

2410
02:02:30,960 --> 02:02:33,040
like to hear their thoughts about the

2411
02:02:33,040 --> 02:02:34,840
cuts to the overtime budget but I also

2412
02:02:34,840 --> 02:02:36,880
want to point out that I think at least

2413
02:02:36,880 --> 02:02:39,599
in the fire department budget in the

2414
02:02:39,599 --> 02:02:42,280
contract um we can't really eliminate

2415
02:02:42,280 --> 02:02:44,520
the overtime figure that's in the budget

2416
02:02:44,520 --> 02:02:46,719
as presented by the chief and the mayor

2417
02:02:46,719 --> 02:02:49,159
because if we do we still have to fill

2418
02:02:49,159 --> 02:02:51,360
those hours which are mandated through

2419
02:02:51,360 --> 02:02:53,920
their contract and so we would end up

2420
02:02:53,920 --> 02:02:55,239
paying for them

2421
02:02:55,239 --> 02:02:58,320
anyway great and I would very much like

2422
02:02:58,320 --> 02:03:00,320
to add that before both individuals

2423
02:03:00,320 --> 02:03:02,079
speak which I think they have the which

2424
02:03:02,079 --> 02:03:03,480
I would support want to hear from them

2425
02:03:03,480 --> 02:03:05,280
also they have vacant positions that are

2426
02:03:05,280 --> 02:03:08,119
open right now the mayor and his comment

2427
02:03:08,119 --> 02:03:09,760
also highlighted that any vacancies that

2428
02:03:09,760 --> 02:03:11,520
are unfilled members of those

2429
02:03:11,520 --> 02:03:13,079
departments are able to utilize those

2430
02:03:13,079 --> 02:03:14,760
funds the best needs of their

2431
02:03:14,760 --> 02:03:16,520
departments after hearing both

2432
02:03:16,520 --> 02:03:19,159
conversations with uh both Chiefs um

2433
02:03:19,159 --> 02:03:21,079
there are strategic opportunities

2434
02:03:21,079 --> 02:03:22,880
throughout the year to bring on new

2435
02:03:22,880 --> 02:03:25,119
candidates new firefighters new police

2436
02:03:25,119 --> 02:03:27,880
officers the expectation is to hire as

2437
02:03:27,880 --> 02:03:30,040
many as possible but those are going to

2438
02:03:30,040 --> 02:03:32,119
exist later in the year my

2439
02:03:32,119 --> 02:03:33,840
recommendation and my position is

2440
02:03:33,840 --> 02:03:36,599
utilizing those gaps until they hire if

2441
02:03:36,599 --> 02:03:39,960
they hire to subsidize what we have uh

2442
02:03:39,960 --> 02:03:43,000
not supported and then again if there is

2443
02:03:43,000 --> 02:03:44,719
a need for more there's always an

2444
02:03:44,719 --> 02:03:46,320
opportunity to amend the budget is that

2445
02:03:46,320 --> 02:03:48,599
correct Mr Mur that is correct yes we

2446
02:03:48,599 --> 02:03:51,199
always is we do that bud fre

2447
02:03:51,199 --> 02:03:54,440
appropriation any that's using the money

2448
02:03:54,440 --> 02:03:57,270
that's in there

2449
02:03:57,280 --> 02:03:59,800
yes depending on how you structure the

2450
02:03:59,800 --> 02:04:01,199
budget whether the money would be there

2451
02:04:01,199 --> 02:04:04,510
or

2452
02:04:04,520 --> 02:04:07,400
not so yes it's it's using money for

2453
02:04:07,400 --> 02:04:09,520
positions that are not filled which is

2454
02:04:09,520 --> 02:04:11,520
what as the mayor and also Mr Wallen

2455
02:04:11,520 --> 02:04:12,920
told us that that's what they do within

2456
02:04:12,920 --> 02:04:15,239
their Department if there's uh positions

2457
02:04:15,239 --> 02:04:17,880
are not filled then and they need it

2458
02:04:17,880 --> 02:04:19,400
they draw some those the money from

2459
02:04:19,400 --> 02:04:22,360
there to fulfill for to pay for the

2460
02:04:22,360 --> 02:04:24,400
positions are filled if if there's need

2461
02:04:24,400 --> 02:04:27,840
for overtime uh in those lines so but

2462
02:04:27,840 --> 02:04:30,320
you're just robbing Peter to pay Paul I

2463
02:04:30,320 --> 02:04:32,840
mean and the reality is that I think all

2464
02:04:32,840 --> 02:04:35,960
of us wish that we could hire to the

2465
02:04:35,960 --> 02:04:39,400
empty positions right I mean we wish

2466
02:04:39,400 --> 02:04:41,400
that but it's not happening and if it's

2467
02:04:41,400 --> 02:04:45,000
Peter pay Paul is what's been being done

2468
02:04:45,000 --> 02:04:46,480
it's not you know it's not something

2469
02:04:46,480 --> 02:04:49,440
that we decided that you know to manag

2470
02:04:49,440 --> 02:04:52,119
it that's how it's be

2471
02:04:52,119 --> 02:04:55,679
managed so um

2472
02:04:55,679 --> 02:04:59,280
Mr if you like to hear from Chief Marino

2473
02:04:59,280 --> 02:05:01,880
and chief yes Chief Marino yes I just

2474
02:05:01,880 --> 02:05:02,679
want to

2475
02:05:02,679 --> 02:05:05,199
Echo I I'm sure you sent the email out

2476
02:05:05,199 --> 02:05:07,159
to everyone that we sent to us and if

2477
02:05:07,159 --> 02:05:08,760
you have read that email you will see

2478
02:05:08,760 --> 02:05:10,760
that the bottom that the chief has made

2479
02:05:10,760 --> 02:05:13,159
you know some pretty good remark in

2480
02:05:13,159 --> 02:05:16,360
terms of the funding in his in his email

2481
02:05:16,360 --> 02:05:17,679
go ahead

2482
02:05:17,679 --> 02:05:21,239
please thank you for having me thank you

2483
02:05:21,239 --> 02:05:23,079
to all the members that are here I

2484
02:05:23,079 --> 02:05:24,159
apologize

2485
02:05:24,159 --> 02:05:29,159
for that a fire at c stre um we didn't

2486
02:05:29,159 --> 02:05:31,760
have a full compliment to go to to

2487
02:05:31,760 --> 02:05:34,079
respond because there are other calls

2488
02:05:34,079 --> 02:05:36,320
initially I notes on in front of me but

2489
02:05:36,320 --> 02:05:37,880
initially there were three

2490
02:05:37,880 --> 02:05:40,480
weeks let me tell if any of you were

2491
02:05:40,480 --> 02:05:41,719
there you would have been extremely

2492
02:05:41,719 --> 02:05:44,199
proud of every one of those people heavy

2493
02:05:44,199 --> 02:05:47,480
fire in the Attic within minutes I

2494
02:05:47,480 --> 02:05:49,360
thought we were going to lose two houses

2495
02:05:49,360 --> 02:05:51,599
within minutes they were up in the attic

2496
02:05:51,599 --> 02:05:54,079
and they extinguish that's great and

2497
02:05:54,079 --> 02:05:55,639
they do that

2498
02:05:55,639 --> 02:05:58,320
constantly also these gentlemen and

2499
02:05:58,320 --> 02:06:00,000
ladies have been working for the last

2500
02:06:00,000 --> 02:06:01,679
two years to

2501
02:06:01,679 --> 02:06:05,719
fill the open spots you come to a time

2502
02:06:05,719 --> 02:06:08,040
when they just can't do it anymore

2503
02:06:08,040 --> 02:06:11,119
mentally physically we putting them at

2504
02:06:11,119 --> 02:06:14,119
risk the overtime budget like I

2505
02:06:14,119 --> 02:06:17,040
mentioned in the email it is what it is

2506
02:06:17,040 --> 02:06:20,800
you could Finance it at million half or

2507
02:06:20,800 --> 02:06:22,639
you can Finance it at

2508
02:06:22,639 --> 02:06:25,520
250,000 it's contractual we have to go

2509
02:06:25,520 --> 02:06:29,920
up with 20 and I will not never with

2510
02:06:29,920 --> 02:06:32,119
them at Jeopardy there are times I have

2511
02:06:32,119 --> 02:06:34,400
to order back for fires there are times

2512
02:06:34,400 --> 02:06:37,000
I have to order back for big events

2513
02:06:37,000 --> 02:06:38,760
that's going to happen that's going to

2514
02:06:38,760 --> 02:06:40,960
happen this long time to I'm not putting

2515
02:06:40,960 --> 02:06:43,440
them in danger and

2516
02:06:43,440 --> 02:06:46,440
when when that mind is a million and a

2517
02:06:46,440 --> 02:06:47,719
half like I think it's going to be next

2518
02:06:47,719 --> 02:06:50,280
year going knowing that it's just the

2519
02:06:50,280 --> 02:06:51,159
way it

2520
02:06:51,159 --> 02:06:54,559
is so to the point that we have some

2521
02:06:54,559 --> 02:06:57,960
flop yeah okay there may be some fluff

2522
02:06:57,960 --> 02:07:00,000
the Flop is not really fluff because

2523
02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:02,840
what we're trying to do is take care of

2524
02:07:02,840 --> 02:07:05,079
this problem that we have in hiring it's

2525
02:07:05,079 --> 02:07:06,920
not that we haven't tried we've been

2526
02:07:06,920 --> 02:07:08,719
trying uh you may have seen the

2527
02:07:08,719 --> 02:07:10,320
Billboards that we've had you may have

2528
02:07:10,320 --> 02:07:13,840
seen us all different kinds of EVS so we

2529
02:07:13,840 --> 02:07:17,239
budgeted six knowing we'd have some

2530
02:07:17,239 --> 02:07:20,159
money from people that retired not after

2531
02:07:20,159 --> 02:07:23,280
a full year we have that and we're

2532
02:07:23,280 --> 02:07:26,800
intend want to hire 14 if I have 14 good

2533
02:07:26,800 --> 02:07:29,040
candidates that check all the boxes and

2534
02:07:29,040 --> 02:07:30,679
they're capable people they going to

2535
02:07:30,679 --> 02:07:32,920
make us all proud real

2536
02:07:32,920 --> 02:07:35,639
hard but if you take that money to pay

2537
02:07:35,639 --> 02:07:37,480
for the overtime that we're going to

2538
02:07:37,480 --> 02:07:39,520
have I'm telling you we're going to have

2539
02:07:39,520 --> 02:07:41,119
we're not going to correct this problem

2540
02:07:41,119 --> 02:07:43,440
we have this problem's been coming for a

2541
02:07:43,440 --> 02:07:45,760
long time we've tried to get in front of

2542
02:07:45,760 --> 02:07:49,000
it doing the best we can things don't

2543
02:07:49,000 --> 02:07:52,079
always happen the way we wanted to um

2544
02:07:52,079 --> 02:07:54,599
I'll entertain any question you have but

2545
02:07:54,599 --> 02:07:56,800
I got to say I've never been proud of

2546
02:07:56,800 --> 02:07:59,440
the heart Department more than I am now

2547
02:07:59,440 --> 02:08:00,850
all right

2548
02:08:00,850 --> 02:08:08,030
[Applause]

2549
02:08:08,040 --> 02:08:16,069
right thank you for the work yes any

2550
02:08:16,079 --> 02:08:19,880
questions thank you Chief thank you

2551
02:08:19,880 --> 02:08:27,000
Chief have question sorry so you said there's contractual

2552
02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:28,880
that that amount over time has to be in

2553
02:08:28,880 --> 02:08:31,239
there is that I'm sorry are you saying

2554
02:08:31,239 --> 02:08:32,599
that there's a certain amount of time

2555
02:08:32,599 --> 02:08:35,800
that must be in there we have a 20

2556
02:08:35,800 --> 02:08:37,960
person minimum right every day we got to

2557
02:08:37,960 --> 02:08:40,480
go off for with 20 I'm never walking

2558
02:08:40,480 --> 02:08:42,719
into the mayor's office and saying mayor

2559
02:08:42,719 --> 02:08:45,119
can't do it we have 18 because they're

2560
02:08:45,119 --> 02:08:48,400
they just we haven't mandated anyone to

2561
02:08:48,400 --> 02:08:50,119
they're credit there are other

2562
02:08:50,119 --> 02:08:51,559
departments they're mandating like a

2563
02:08:51,559 --> 02:08:53,119
wheel it's

2564
02:08:53,119 --> 02:08:56,000
constant they've stepped up we have a

2565
02:08:56,000 --> 02:08:58,400
mandate of one person ever especially in

2566
02:08:58,400 --> 02:09:02,079
the last two last two years um so what

2567
02:09:02,079 --> 02:09:05,880
I'm saying is with a 20 person and

2568
02:09:05,880 --> 02:09:07,719
minimum

2569
02:09:07,719 --> 02:09:12,000
staff and we have seven openings from

2570
02:09:12,000 --> 02:09:16,719
reti one is I've said this one is um

2571
02:09:16,719 --> 02:09:20,360
what's the ter very much and then I

2572
02:09:20,360 --> 02:09:21,599
believe we

2573
02:09:21,599 --> 02:09:26,199
have six or seven long time

2574
02:09:26,199 --> 02:09:31,440
uh either injury or sicks so every day

2575
02:09:31,440 --> 02:09:33,280
we're we're like 14 before we open the

2576
02:09:33,280 --> 02:09:38,559
door 14 in the yep so that's why uh you

2577
02:09:38,559 --> 02:09:41,719
know to 220 every day we're going to be

2578
02:09:41,719 --> 02:09:45,199
at that number we spent ours making sure

2579
02:09:45,199 --> 02:09:47,440
that our number was right we gave you a

2580
02:09:47,440 --> 02:09:50,559
true and honest figure that that's where

2581
02:09:50,559 --> 02:09:52,440
I think we're going to be and we talked

2582
02:09:52,440 --> 02:09:53,070
about comp

2583
02:09:53,070 --> 02:09:54,639
[Music]

2584
02:09:54,639 --> 02:09:57,119
time contractually the members have the

2585
02:09:57,119 --> 02:09:59,280
ability to have comp

2586
02:09:59,280 --> 02:10:02,520
time if they all decided tomorrow hey

2587
02:10:02,520 --> 02:10:05,000
you know what give me my comp time not a

2588
02:10:05,000 --> 02:10:08,800
little bit all of it you know want to be

2589
02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:09,880
and that's all

2590
02:10:09,880 --> 02:10:12,760
contractual they haven't done it they're

2591
02:10:12,760 --> 02:10:14,199
don't think they're going to it's not

2592
02:10:14,199 --> 02:10:16,920
what they intend on but the number of

2593
02:10:16,920 --> 02:10:18,960
million and a half could look like

2594
02:10:18,960 --> 02:10:21,719
kids change if that was ever to

2595
02:10:21,719 --> 02:10:31,480
happen

2596
02:10:31,490 --> 02:10:33,679
[Music]

2597
02:10:33,679 --> 02:10:35,840
than um so talking about the police

2598
02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:37,119
overtime

2599
02:10:37,119 --> 02:10:39,480
budget we have similar challenges at the

2600
02:10:39,480 --> 02:10:41,840
fire department a little bit

2601
02:10:41,840 --> 02:10:44,079
different we we don't have a minimum

2602
02:10:44,079 --> 02:10:45,920
Staffing from the contractual end but we

2603
02:10:45,920 --> 02:10:48,400
do have a minimum Staffing on a daily

2604
02:10:48,400 --> 02:10:51,480
basis that we have to fill fortunately

2605
02:10:51,480 --> 02:10:54,400
um we don't necessarily have to mandate

2606
02:10:54,400 --> 02:10:57,599
as often as we have in the past but we

2607
02:10:57,599 --> 02:11:00,159
still have the the possibility that we

2608
02:11:00,159 --> 02:11:02,440
have to mandate

2609
02:11:02,440 --> 02:11:04,960
officers um we do have a minimum

2610
02:11:04,960 --> 02:11:06,840
Staffing level that we like to meet each

2611
02:11:06,840 --> 02:11:09,000
night due to our staffing shortages

2612
02:11:09,000 --> 02:11:11,639
we've been running short on that and yet

2613
02:11:11,639 --> 02:11:14,719
we've still already reached 1.95 million

2614
02:11:14,719 --> 02:11:17,520
in overtime if we had filled every

2615
02:11:17,520 --> 02:11:19,239
position that we needed to fill we

2616
02:11:19,239 --> 02:11:21,679
probably would be over 2 million at this

2617
02:11:21,679 --> 02:11:24,559
point um closing in on a high 2 million

2618
02:11:24,559 --> 02:11:27,199
range just on Staffing levels and this

2619
02:11:27,199 --> 02:11:29,119
is before we even get to our proactive

2620
02:11:29,119 --> 02:11:31,239
controls which we would like to

2621
02:11:31,239 --> 02:11:34,920
do like speed enforcement quality of

2622
02:11:34,920 --> 02:11:38,360
life issues possibly anti-me initiatives

2623
02:11:38,360 --> 02:11:39,679
in Hotpot

2624
02:11:39,679 --> 02:11:42,199
areas the way we've been able to keep

2625
02:11:42,199 --> 02:11:46,000
our crime down um I you know compared to

2626
02:11:46,000 --> 02:11:49,040
our neighboring cities is investing into

2627
02:11:49,040 --> 02:11:52,800
our investigative unit we have uh 12

2628
02:11:52,800 --> 02:11:55,119
officers 12 detectives on federal task

2629
02:11:55,119 --> 02:11:57,760
forces doing an awesome job taking down

2630
02:11:57,760 --> 02:11:59,920
the worst of the worst Defenders not

2631
02:11:59,920 --> 02:12:01,719
only in the city but at the capital

2632
02:12:01,719 --> 02:12:03,159
region level because you all know that

2633
02:12:03,159 --> 02:12:06,000
they like to travel um you know but

2634
02:12:06,000 --> 02:12:07,719
we've sacrificed having those extra

2635
02:12:07,719 --> 02:12:09,520
positions in our Patrol level so we

2636
02:12:09,520 --> 02:12:12,280
can't do what we would like to do and

2637
02:12:12,280 --> 02:12:13,760
you know ultimately we're going to work

2638
02:12:13,760 --> 02:12:16,719
within our budget um as I've explained

2639
02:12:16,719 --> 02:12:19,280
to a couple council members we will stay

2640
02:12:19,280 --> 02:12:21,639
our budget the best of our abilities it

2641
02:12:21,639 --> 02:12:24,320
changes our strategy whether we are

2642
02:12:24,320 --> 02:12:27,079
proactive on a daily basis or whether we

2643
02:12:27,079 --> 02:12:29,880
are simply reactive to just Staffing the

2644
02:12:29,880 --> 02:12:32,280
streets um and answer the calls for

2645
02:12:32,280 --> 02:12:37,559
service on the investigation side um the

2646
02:12:37,559 --> 02:12:39,199
there it's more like more like the fire

2647
02:12:39,199 --> 02:12:41,520
department where it is what it is we

2648
02:12:41,520 --> 02:12:43,280
have one case that I'm sure everybody in

2649
02:12:43,280 --> 02:12:45,040
this room is aware of we've already

2650
02:12:45,040 --> 02:12:48,079
spent $90,000 just this year on

2651
02:12:48,079 --> 02:12:49,480
investigating that case and it's not

2652
02:12:49,480 --> 02:12:52,639
even solved it so there are cases that

2653
02:12:52,639 --> 02:12:54,960
sometimes just require the attention and

2654
02:12:54,960 --> 02:12:56,520
we're never going to stop giving them

2655
02:12:56,520 --> 02:12:58,599
the attention and then you just never

2656
02:12:58,599 --> 02:13:00,119
know when the next big case is going to

2657
02:13:00,119 --> 02:13:02,400
happen we've been fortunate if I knock

2658
02:13:02,400 --> 02:13:05,079
on wood that our major cases have been

2659
02:13:05,079 --> 02:13:10,310
down this year but you just never

2660
02:13:10,320 --> 02:13:12,599
know

2661
02:13:12,599 --> 02:13:15,199
questions go ahead please just follow to

2662
02:13:15,199 --> 02:13:18,239
the chief's comments where the data out

2663
02:13:18,239 --> 02:13:20,679
there we're seeing a drop in crime we're

2664
02:13:20,679 --> 02:13:22,400
talking about the major crime part one

2665
02:13:22,400 --> 02:13:25,599
crimes other the more serious element

2666
02:13:25,599 --> 02:13:27,320
where we're being proactive and creating

2667
02:13:27,320 --> 02:13:29,000
a high level of deterrence and actually

2668
02:13:29,000 --> 02:13:31,000
have a fairly good closure

2669
02:13:31,000 --> 02:13:34,880
rate on the other hand our calls

2670
02:13:34,880 --> 02:13:39,000
for noise problems for speeding in other

2671
02:13:39,000 --> 02:13:43,079
lower level events is actually going up

2672
02:13:43,079 --> 02:13:46,840
and so to continue to have that good

2673
02:13:46,840 --> 02:13:48,079
trend line so you're dealing with de

2674
02:13:48,079 --> 02:13:50,040
with the most serious crimes but also

2675
02:13:50,040 --> 02:13:52,360
deal with the community's needs and the

2676
02:13:52,360 --> 02:13:54,880
evolving nature of uh what we're being

2677
02:13:54,880 --> 02:13:57,480
requested to assist to you need the

2678
02:13:57,480 --> 02:14:00,679
bodies and that cut you know that you

2679
02:14:00,679 --> 02:14:02,559
have moved forward on you know it's

2680
02:14:02,559 --> 02:14:06,320
about 18,000 man hours in the police and

2681
02:14:06,320 --> 02:14:09,199
fire department and so you can't expect

2682
02:14:09,199 --> 02:14:11,280
all those calls to be followed up on or

2683
02:14:11,280 --> 02:14:13,320
dealt within a manner that makes us all

2684
02:14:13,320 --> 02:14:16,400
look good when you've dropped $118,000

2685
02:14:16,400 --> 02:14:19,320
up in in the budget that I've given you

2686
02:14:19,320 --> 02:14:20,960
there are assumptions yes we're not

2687
02:14:20,960 --> 02:14:22,639
going to fill all those positions but

2688
02:14:22,639 --> 02:14:25,800
that money will be used to offset some

2689
02:14:25,800 --> 02:14:28,880
of the overtime cost where these slots

2690
02:14:28,880 --> 02:14:31,199
have to be backfilled with individuals

2691
02:14:31,199 --> 02:14:32,559
in the police department we're having

2692
02:14:32,559 --> 02:14:34,520
trouble getting people to come out

2693
02:14:34,520 --> 02:14:36,719
sometimes for overtime I'd like to have

2694
02:14:36,719 --> 02:14:38,559
some levels of Staffing at a higher

2695
02:14:38,559 --> 02:14:40,480
level than we're going on in the street

2696
02:14:40,480 --> 02:14:43,920
with on some nights and some

2697
02:14:43,920 --> 02:14:46,480
ships go ahead please but I think so

2698
02:14:46,480 --> 02:14:48,840
that the mayor's Point those two aspects

2699
02:14:48,840 --> 02:14:51,000
of noise and speeding I think it's

2700
02:14:51,000 --> 02:14:52,599
important to identify and i' would love

2701
02:14:52,599 --> 02:14:54,639
to hear the perspectives of of any

2702
02:14:54,639 --> 02:14:56,880
individual in this room uh throwing

2703
02:14:56,880 --> 02:15:00,119
bodies at noise complaints has not

2704
02:15:00,119 --> 02:15:01,719
solved any of those issues and

2705
02:15:01,719 --> 02:15:03,719
complaints I think it's going to require

2706
02:15:03,719 --> 02:15:06,960
a more strategic uh stance to address

2707
02:15:06,960 --> 02:15:08,119
these issues that are frequently

2708
02:15:08,119 --> 02:15:10,760
happening regarding regarding holiday

2709
02:15:10,760 --> 02:15:14,040
seasons uh and to the the the issue of

2710
02:15:14,040 --> 02:15:18,000
speeding we've thrown uh bodies at King

2711
02:15:18,000 --> 02:15:20,159
road to be example and we are still

2712
02:15:20,159 --> 02:15:21,559
hearing those individuals come to our

2713
02:15:21,559 --> 02:15:24,239
Council meetings on a frequent basis uh

2714
02:15:24,239 --> 02:15:26,079
unfortunately we have to make those

2715
02:15:26,079 --> 02:15:27,960
difficult assessments of where else are

2716
02:15:27,960 --> 02:15:30,360
we going to invest in besides overtime

2717
02:15:30,360 --> 02:15:32,360
to address not only the immediacy of

2718
02:15:32,360 --> 02:15:34,079
those issues but also the long-term

2719
02:15:34,079 --> 02:15:36,440
effects because if we solve them today

2720
02:15:36,440 --> 02:15:38,559
we frequently notice that they trans

2721
02:15:38,559 --> 02:15:40,559
that they transition to other aspects of

2722
02:15:40,559 --> 02:15:43,079
our community so my position here is

2723
02:15:43,079 --> 02:15:44,599
challenging us to think outside of the

2724
02:15:44,599 --> 02:15:47,400
box to bring into those circles uh more

2725
02:15:47,400 --> 02:15:49,280
stakehold ERS to understand that

2726
02:15:49,280 --> 02:15:50,719
expecting these departments to figure

2727
02:15:50,719 --> 02:15:52,719
out these problems on their own is an

2728
02:15:52,719 --> 02:15:55,760
old age philosophy we as a community

2729
02:15:55,760 --> 02:15:57,480
need to work together to understand how

2730
02:15:57,480 --> 02:15:58,800
do we incorporate our neighborhood

2731
02:15:58,800 --> 02:16:00,719
associations how do we incorporate our

2732
02:16:00,719 --> 02:16:02,679
schools who are also uh pushing for

2733
02:16:02,679 --> 02:16:04,960
Community schooling narratives this has

2734
02:16:04,960 --> 02:16:07,599
to be a joint effort and again I'm

2735
02:16:07,599 --> 02:16:09,559
against throwing money at overtime to

2736
02:16:09,559 --> 02:16:12,030
fix

2737
02:16:12,040 --> 02:16:14,679
ite please I think

2738
02:16:14,679 --> 02:16:20,880
that's I'm sorry but I do think that is just you this was a discussion

2739
02:16:20,880 --> 02:16:22,920
the other evening too there's certainly

2740
02:16:22,920 --> 02:16:26,000
long-term kinds of strategic planning

2741
02:16:26,000 --> 02:16:29,559
that again I would say I would want our

2742
02:16:29,559 --> 02:16:31,840
fire and our police to be looking at

2743
02:16:31,840 --> 02:16:35,200
even more so than residents um because

2744
02:16:35,200 --> 02:16:36,639
they have the expertise and the

2745
02:16:36,639 --> 02:16:38,920
experience in helping to solve these

2746
02:16:38,920 --> 02:16:41,399
things but we have immediate needs we

2747
02:16:41,399 --> 02:16:44,000
have we have immediate needs whether

2748
02:16:44,000 --> 02:16:47,800
it's fire or crime um or in the F in the

2749
02:16:47,800 --> 02:16:50,599
case of fire the the emergency medical

2750
02:16:50,599 --> 02:16:52,559
um calls that they go on so I'll throw

2751
02:16:52,559 --> 02:16:56,800
that in along with the fire um you know

2752
02:16:56,800 --> 02:16:59,599
I I understand that long term there's

2753
02:16:59,599 --> 02:17:01,280
solutions that perhaps we can come up

2754
02:17:01,280 --> 02:17:04,359
with but what do we do tomorrow and I

2755
02:17:04,359 --> 02:17:08,719
just really maintain that I feel that

2756
02:17:08,719 --> 02:17:11,040
this will increase crime and I think

2757
02:17:11,040 --> 02:17:12,760
this is not the time to be trying to

2758
02:17:12,760 --> 02:17:15,040
increase crime especially violent crime

2759
02:17:15,040 --> 02:17:16,399
I think that the way that we've been

2760
02:17:16,399 --> 02:17:20,160
successful on um over the last you know

2761
02:17:20,160 --> 02:17:22,840
couple of years we need to respect that

2762
02:17:22,840 --> 02:17:26,800
and and and and try to continue working

2763
02:17:26,800 --> 02:17:30,840
day by day um and yes at the same time

2764
02:17:30,840 --> 02:17:33,160
we have longer term strategies like you

2765
02:17:33,160 --> 02:17:35,559
mentioned the other day you know sending

2766
02:17:35,559 --> 02:17:37,679
folks into classrooms to talk to kids

2767
02:17:37,679 --> 02:17:40,319
and building trust between Youth and and

2768
02:17:40,319 --> 02:17:42,599
our officers those are great I mean I

2769
02:17:42,599 --> 02:17:44,559
think all of us are really in favor of

2770
02:17:44,559 --> 02:17:45,960
all those strategies that have been put

2771
02:17:45,960 --> 02:17:47,679
into place especially around community

2772
02:17:47,679 --> 02:17:50,519
releasing but it ain't going to solve

2773
02:17:50,519 --> 02:17:54,309
crime

2774
02:17:54,319 --> 02:17:58,679
tomorrow sorry please i' just like to

2775
02:17:58,679 --> 02:18:00,880
congratulate um both Chiefs on the

2776
02:18:00,880 --> 02:18:02,519
community engagement with all your

2777
02:18:02,519 --> 02:18:04,519
officers um that are out there at

2778
02:18:04,519 --> 02:18:07,160
neighborhood meetings at STS um in

2779
02:18:07,160 --> 02:18:09,280
schools things like that and again I I

2780
02:18:09,280 --> 02:18:10,760
will agree with Miss Patrick I mean

2781
02:18:10,760 --> 02:18:12,439
there's just issues that need to be

2782
02:18:12,439 --> 02:18:14,200
addressed on a daily basis here and I

2783
02:18:14,200 --> 02:18:15,960
wouldn't want any of the residents of

2784
02:18:15,960 --> 02:18:18,160
the city's connec to suffer

2785
02:18:18,160 --> 02:18:20,359
um whether it's going to a fire or or

2786
02:18:20,359 --> 02:18:24,439
having a police uh call responding to my

2787
02:18:24,439 --> 02:18:26,719
residents uh if someone's trying to

2788
02:18:26,719 --> 02:18:29,040
break the door in or things like that so

2789
02:18:29,040 --> 02:18:30,559
I mean this is something that just needs

2790
02:18:30,559 --> 02:18:32,000
to be addressed and it needs to be

2791
02:18:32,000 --> 02:18:34,399
funded it doesn't need we don't need to

2792
02:18:34,399 --> 02:18:36,559
cut the funding I

2793
02:18:36,559 --> 02:18:39,760
agree Mr M oh please sorry so Chief

2794
02:18:39,760 --> 02:18:42,679
could you please speak to um like the

2795
02:18:42,679 --> 02:18:44,880
various you've come to us several times

2796
02:18:44,880 --> 02:18:48,240
then with technology in in that

2797
02:18:48,240 --> 02:18:50,080
conversation it's been like this is

2798
02:18:50,080 --> 02:18:53,639
going to cut back um um police need to

2799
02:18:53,639 --> 02:18:57,000
be in um off the street because they're

2800
02:18:57,000 --> 02:18:59,599
doing what paperwork so and that there

2801
02:18:59,599 --> 02:19:01,559
would be some cost savings that was the

2802
02:19:01,559 --> 02:19:03,200
that was what we've been hearing so I

2803
02:19:03,200 --> 02:19:05,000
would like you speak to that and also to

2804
02:19:05,000 --> 02:19:10,679
the give Grant um the most recent that we saw the um the amount was like

2805
02:19:10,679 --> 02:19:13,920
418,000 but in the budget that the line

2806
02:19:13,920 --> 02:19:15,240
we're seeing is a little bit lower than

2807
02:19:15,240 --> 02:19:19,509
that so

2808
02:19:19,519 --> 02:19:21,840
two where where where are you seeing

2809
02:19:21,840 --> 02:19:24,679
less is it in the revenue side or I

2810
02:19:24,679 --> 02:19:25,880
think that

2811
02:19:25,880 --> 02:19:27,960
um that's that's probably more an

2812
02:19:27,960 --> 02:19:30,639
accounting thing I would I'd have to ask

2813
02:19:30,639 --> 02:19:33,280
the finance is that is it showing more

2814
02:19:33,280 --> 02:19:35,240
because part of it is salaries and the

2815
02:19:35,240 --> 02:19:37,240
other part is reimbursable overtime

2816
02:19:37,240 --> 02:19:39,280
possibly I think I think it's because it

2817
02:19:39,280 --> 02:19:41,599
runs in between years we looking for

2818
02:19:41,599 --> 02:19:44,920
2024 I think it goes into 2025 okay it

2819
02:19:44,920 --> 02:19:48,319
does start in July so we're we're just

2820
02:19:48,319 --> 02:19:50,600
looking at you know for the year we're

2821
02:19:50,600 --> 02:19:52,319
not putting the whole amount in because

2822
02:19:52,319 --> 02:19:54,800
the whole amount is not 202 so you got

2823
02:19:54,800 --> 02:20:00,550
half of

2824
02:20:00,560 --> 02:20:03,280
last and then then as far as as far as

2825
02:20:03,280 --> 02:20:05,560
the technology um helping us to become

2826
02:20:05,560 --> 02:20:08,160
more efficient yeah I stand by that and

2827
02:20:08,160 --> 02:20:10,160
it's going to it's just that it's not

2828
02:20:10,160 --> 02:20:11,000
something that's going to happen

2829
02:20:11,000 --> 02:20:13,000
tomorrow these are these are these are

2830
02:20:13,000 --> 02:20:15,160
investments me if you're taking in terms

2831
02:20:15,160 --> 02:20:17,600
of building a house technology inv or

2832
02:20:17,600 --> 02:20:19,760
the foundation that we're building upon

2833
02:20:19,760 --> 02:20:22,120
you know at some point we have a real

2834
02:20:22,120 --> 02:20:23,479
time operations center that we're

2835
02:20:23,479 --> 02:20:25,720
building out that we hope that we could

2836
02:20:25,720 --> 02:20:29,040
use one person sitting in this Operation

2837
02:20:29,040 --> 02:20:31,200
Center to send the Drone out to turn

2838
02:20:31,200 --> 02:20:32,960
down loud music so we don't have to send

2839
02:20:32,960 --> 02:20:38,240
personnel there um we want to use the technology given the body more

2840
02:20:38,240 --> 02:20:40,880
cameras so that we can have supervision

2841
02:20:40,880 --> 02:20:43,479
over officers from the police station

2842
02:20:43,479 --> 02:20:45,640
and the ability to do quality control

2843
02:20:45,640 --> 02:20:49,880
better on them so we we have a more

2844
02:20:49,880 --> 02:20:52,120
efficient and a um you know a more

2845
02:20:52,120 --> 02:20:53,760
professional Police Department that's

2846
02:20:53,760 --> 02:20:55,600
those are the invest Investments That

2847
02:20:55,600 --> 02:20:57,960
remaining Patrol finder once we get that

2848
02:20:57,960 --> 02:20:59,680
up and running it's going to help

2849
02:20:59,680 --> 02:21:01,840
officers um while they're driving down

2850
02:21:01,840 --> 02:21:03,479
the street know there's a call waiting

2851
02:21:03,479 --> 02:21:05,800
so they don't have to take more time to

2852
02:21:05,800 --> 02:21:09,359
drive across town to get to a call so

2853
02:21:09,359 --> 02:21:16,240
but we we just our deployment these these take time to roll out um the

2854
02:21:16,240 --> 02:21:19,760
Axon one year so far it's going good I

2855
02:21:19,760 --> 02:21:21,200
can start seeing that next year we're

2856
02:21:21,200 --> 02:21:23,479
going to start having you know more and

2857
02:21:23,479 --> 02:21:26,000
more that becomes more efficient see

2858
02:21:26,000 --> 02:21:27,319
it's fair to say that we're already

2859
02:21:27,319 --> 02:21:29,720
seeing some savings by not having to

2860
02:21:29,720 --> 02:21:32,479
bring officers in on overtime to train

2861
02:21:32,479 --> 02:21:35,040
them we're training on Shi now so that's

2862
02:21:35,040 --> 02:21:37,160
one savings but we're not there yet

2863
02:21:37,160 --> 02:21:40,240
where we can completely eliminate uh a

2864
02:21:40,240 --> 02:21:42,640
whole Training Day by using virtual

2865
02:21:42,640 --> 02:21:44,439
reality but perhaps next year or the

2866
02:21:44,439 --> 02:21:46,439
year after my training Sergeant will be

2867
02:21:46,439 --> 02:21:50,040
like we can this day doing sh so that's

2868
02:21:50,040 --> 02:21:51,960
where we're going

2869
02:21:51,960 --> 02:21:54,479
with as you know and I know it's been

2870
02:21:54,479 --> 02:21:56,120
this is like an ongo every year we we

2871
02:21:56,120 --> 02:21:58,840
have similar discuss around over time

2872
02:21:58,840 --> 02:22:00,479
yes

2873
02:22:00,479 --> 02:22:03,640
so I was hoping like as we as the years

2874
02:22:03,640 --> 02:22:05,200
progress we would be seeing those

2875
02:22:05,200 --> 02:22:07,800
reductions in over time and we're not so

2876
02:22:07,800 --> 02:22:11,600
you know that's all that we're doing to

2877
02:22:11,600 --> 02:22:13,399
increase technology and increase

2878
02:22:13,399 --> 02:22:16,240
efficiencies but you know every year for

2879
02:22:16,240 --> 02:22:18,359
10 years remember we've been having this

2880
02:22:18,359 --> 02:22:20,600
discussion so I think on our end the

2881
02:22:20,600 --> 02:22:24,880
biggest driver of overtime right now is the lack of Staffing lack of ability

2882
02:22:24,880 --> 02:22:27,760
to put those loops on the ground today

2883
02:22:27,760 --> 02:22:30,840
we had five officers come Staffing so

2884
02:22:30,840 --> 02:22:33,000
that's a milestone for us now five

2885
02:22:33,000 --> 02:22:35,880
bodies can count as Staffing so that we

2886
02:22:35,880 --> 02:22:37,920
won't now have another eight bodies for

2887
02:22:37,920 --> 02:22:41,359
Staffing until um I think that we're

2888
02:22:41,359 --> 02:22:43,800
talking about May of next year so once

2889
02:22:43,800 --> 02:22:46,240
we get to that comp full compliment of

2890
02:22:46,240 --> 02:22:48,760
Staffing no give or take five bodies

2891
02:22:48,760 --> 02:22:51,000
we've always been fluctuating all five

2892
02:22:51,000 --> 02:22:53,080
that's where we'll start to see it

2893
02:22:53,080 --> 02:22:55,880
stabilized but it's been four years

2894
02:22:55,880 --> 02:22:58,359
since it's it's been in flux so we we

2895
02:22:58,359 --> 02:23:02,120
were close um right before the pandemic

2896
02:23:02,120 --> 02:23:05,760
but set us back not ler those n we to

2897
02:23:05,760 --> 02:23:08,720
catch up okay the thought process I'm

2898
02:23:08,720 --> 02:23:11,120
hearing from from my colleagues is that

2899
02:23:11,120 --> 02:23:12,600
those positions that are not being

2900
02:23:12,600 --> 02:23:14,760
filled is where you can then pull from

2901
02:23:14,760 --> 02:23:16,479
that pay over time that's what I'm

2902
02:23:16,479 --> 02:23:18,120
interested

2903
02:23:18,120 --> 02:23:21,040
that well

2904
02:23:21,040 --> 02:23:23,840
we I put the number of 15 now as a good

2905
02:23:23,840 --> 02:23:26,479
number it's somewhere between 13 and 15

2906
02:23:26,479 --> 02:23:28,760
based on two people retire next year

2907
02:23:28,760 --> 02:23:31,640
let's go with 15 all those 15 I hope to

2908
02:23:31,640 --> 02:23:34,319
five for January so so so that will only

2909
02:23:34,319 --> 02:23:37,399
leave 10 positions and of those 10 we're

2910
02:23:37,399 --> 02:23:39,880
hoping to hire them in July at the

2911
02:23:39,880 --> 02:23:42,920
latest so that would be basically half

2912
02:23:42,920 --> 02:23:45,439
of a year salary for those 10 and it's

2913
02:23:45,439 --> 02:23:48,880
at the Academy rate so it's U step one

2914
02:23:48,880 --> 02:23:51,640
so it's um it's it's a little bit of

2915
02:23:51,640 --> 02:23:55,359
money it's not a lot and I

2916
02:23:55,359 --> 02:24:03,790
be

2917
02:24:03,800 --> 02:24:11,309
thatat putting on a

2918
02:24:11,319 --> 02:24:16,000
spot any other question for

2919
02:24:16,000 --> 02:24:17,760
the

2920
02:24:17,760 --> 02:24:22,000
no I was just G to say the

2921
02:24:22,000 --> 02:24:27,750
same all right thank you Chief thank

2922
02:24:27,760 --> 02:24:41,630
[Applause]

2923
02:24:41,640 --> 02:24:44,399
you

2924
02:24:44,399 --> 02:24:47,600
so can we have those change excuse me

2925
02:24:47,600 --> 02:24:49,600
can we have you input those changes and

2926
02:24:49,600 --> 02:24:51,640
bring back to us to see where we

2927
02:24:51,640 --> 02:24:54,479
are you know you know this is mostly our

2928
02:24:54,479 --> 02:24:56,680
general fund we haven't even started

2929
02:24:56,680 --> 02:24:58,920
talking about the SE water fund I just

2930
02:24:58,920 --> 02:25:04,870
want to remind you

2931
02:25:04,880 --> 02:25:15,870
guys so we taking a little break

2932
02:25:15,880 --> 02:25:30,470
yes

2933
02:25:30,480 --> 02:25:45,870
[Music]

2934
02:25:45,880 --> 02:26:15,790
e

2935
02:26:15,800 --> 02:44:14,190
h

2936
02:44:14,200 --> 03:56:07,710
e

2937
03:56:07,720 --> 03:56:37,670
re

2938
03:56:37,680 --> 03:56:52,760
John

2939
03:56:52,770 --> 03:57:07,590
[Applause]

2940
03:57:07,600 --> 03:57:13,710
sure

2941
03:57:13,720 --> 03:57:16,640
I just want to add one thing uh it's

2942
03:57:16,640 --> 03:57:20,479
talk to I to Mar Maran

2943
03:57:20,479 --> 03:57:24,720
and John I'm that the carpenter that we

2944
03:57:24,720 --> 03:57:26,399
arged all that time for we had already

2945
03:57:26,399 --> 03:57:31,309
Tak it out of the

2946
03:57:31,319 --> 03:57:34,040
budget we search to find that for we

2947
03:57:34,040 --> 03:57:36,640
couldn't find them we realizing come out

2948
03:57:36,640 --> 03:58:02,309
he was budgeted in 23

2949
03:58:02,319 --> 03:58:04,800
not4 to sa some

2950
03:58:04,800 --> 03:58:07,199
paper you

2951
03:58:07,199 --> 03:58:10,600
gotop real from the other side need

2952
03:58:10,600 --> 03:58:16,189
water no water

2953
03:58:16,199 --> 03:58:18,880
and all right all right everybody has a

2954
03:58:18,880 --> 03:58:21,960
copy everybody has pass review we can go

2955
03:58:21,960 --> 03:58:25,159
with um general

2956
03:58:25,159 --> 03:58:29,199
fund the difference is showing here is

2957
03:58:29,199 --> 03:58:32,040
zero the changes that was proposed and

2958
03:58:32,040 --> 03:58:34,269
the

2959
03:58:34,279 --> 03:58:37,520
adjustment zero itself

2960
03:58:37,520 --> 03:58:40,950
out

2961
03:58:40,960 --> 03:58:45,319
for the the changes um regards to the AL

2962
03:58:45,319 --> 03:58:47,800
funding Z wait wait I'm not

2963
03:58:47,800 --> 03:58:49,720
understanding what you're

2964
03:58:49,720 --> 03:58:54,269
saying excuse

2965
03:58:54,279 --> 03:58:58,040
me7 oh no no no you have the wrong

2966
03:58:58,040 --> 03:59:02,269
that's my my

2967
03:59:02,279 --> 03:59:05,439
little this is what we just got

2968
03:59:05,439 --> 03:59:07,560
handed he said that was a note in his

2969
03:59:07,560 --> 03:59:10,319
head so you should have it out showing

2970
03:59:10,319 --> 03:59:12,199
where the difference

2971
03:59:12,199 --> 03:59:16,560
is so what we doing is uh the figures

2972
03:59:16,560 --> 03:59:20,000
from both the the additions and

2973
03:59:20,000 --> 03:59:22,439
subtractions come to 1.5 million and

2974
03:59:22,439 --> 03:59:25,399
benefits add up to two

2975
03:59:25,399 --> 03:59:28,359
222,000 gives us the uh the reduction in

2976
03:59:28,359 --> 03:59:31,080
general fund expenses of mil

2977
03:59:31,080 --> 03:59:34,000
73299 which is the same of the revenues

2978
03:59:34,000 --> 03:59:37,439
for the refuse 1,

2979
03:59:37,439 --> 03:59:44,309
73299

2980
03:59:44,319 --> 03:59:47,080
so I'm sorry but what you're saying is

2981
03:59:47,080 --> 03:59:50,120
if we bring in the fees as suggested in

2982
03:59:50,120 --> 03:59:51,560
the mayor's

2983
03:59:51,560 --> 03:59:54,840
budget no okay then please repeat what

2984
03:59:54,840 --> 03:59:57,359
you're trying to say total revenues in

2985
03:59:57,359 --> 04:00:00,319
the mayor's budget is 111 mil

2986
04:00:00,319 --> 04:00:05,840
86,4 120 city council they would not ra

2987
04:00:05,840 --> 04:00:08,800
okay they changed the mayor's proposal

2988
04:00:08,800 --> 04:00:12,560
um and they uh reduced the re revenues

2989
04:00:12,560 --> 04:00:15,399
by 1,

2990
04:00:15,399 --> 04:00:19,399
73299 fuse Chang so that brought the

2991
04:00:19,399 --> 04:00:23,000
budget to 109,000 109 milon

2992
04:00:23,000 --> 04:00:25,800
35343 and to make it up they have all

2993
04:00:25,800 --> 04:00:28,279
these different changes we added some

2994
04:00:28,279 --> 04:00:30,640
salaries subtracted salaries and

2995
04:00:30,640 --> 04:00:33,520
different things and plus benefits uh to

2996
04:00:33,520 --> 04:00:38,680
come up the amount uh equal to 1, 73299

2997
04:00:38,680 --> 04:00:41,960
so revenues are reduced by 1.7 million

2998
04:00:41,960 --> 04:00:45,000
and tempatures are also reduced by that

2999
04:00:45,000 --> 04:00:48,840
amount that was from the last two

3000
04:00:48,840 --> 04:00:53,279
nights Mr M yeah please so I think that

3001
04:00:53,279 --> 04:00:56,239
uh just I'm looking at some of the

3002
04:00:56,239 --> 04:00:59,040
differences that we're seeing here um

3003
04:00:59,040 --> 04:01:00,359
and I'm going to be honest to say I

3004
04:01:00,359 --> 04:01:03,680
don't know how much um of this is driven

3005
04:01:03,680 --> 04:01:07,359
in in in policy or how much of this is

3006
04:01:07,359 --> 04:01:09,680
some level which I feel is presentent of

3007
04:01:09,680 --> 04:01:11,920
some political posture in here and I

3008
04:01:11,920 --> 04:01:15,439
don't think that we're as far away as we

3009
04:01:15,439 --> 04:01:18,120
might think that we are but I think that

3010
04:01:18,120 --> 04:01:24,720
based on some information um that that we heard here tonight I would like

3011
04:01:24,720 --> 04:01:28,159
to strongly suggest that we

3012
04:01:28,159 --> 04:01:31,920
recess and um take some time to to uh

3013
04:01:31,920 --> 04:01:33,199
reflect and digest on some of the

3014
04:01:33,199 --> 04:01:35,840
information that we heard tonight and

3015
04:01:35,840 --> 04:01:39,159
both from um uh department heads and um

3016
04:01:39,159 --> 04:01:40,439
from our colleagues I think that that

3017
04:01:40,439 --> 04:01:42,880
would be a good uh course of action I

3018
04:01:42,880 --> 04:01:44,800
think that that will give us a little

3019
04:01:44,800 --> 04:01:48,399
more um uh time to reflect and really

3020
04:01:48,399 --> 04:01:49,720
digest what we heard tonight and I think

3021
04:01:49,720 --> 04:01:53,279
that we can um get a little closer than

3022
04:01:53,279 --> 04:01:56,399
what we are that was just that' be my

3023
04:01:56,399 --> 04:01:58,870
strong

3024
04:01:58,880 --> 04:02:07,149
suggestion came up with that

3025
04:02:07,159 --> 04:02:09,600
two control when I get these brilliant

3026
04:02:09,600 --> 04:02:12,319
ideas I just which is

3027
04:02:12,319 --> 04:02:14,760
brilliant thank you so

3028
04:02:14,760 --> 04:02:23,750
Mr you

3029
04:02:23,760 --> 04:02:25,880
this that's my that's my strong

3030
04:02:25,880 --> 04:02:30,040
suggestions that we have yeah understand

3031
04:02:30,040 --> 04:02:32,199
can we just pull that out a little and

3032
04:02:32,199 --> 04:02:35,040
that's Mr we just walk us through

3033
04:02:35,040 --> 04:02:37,800
regards to this the water okay let's

3034
04:02:37,800 --> 04:02:39,080
start with

3035
04:02:39,080 --> 04:02:42,000
and then we'll come back to Mr okay

3036
04:02:42,000 --> 04:02:44,000
sure

3037
04:02:44,000 --> 04:02:47,040
discussion again the city council for

3038
04:02:47,040 --> 04:02:49,680
some reason does not want to raise rates

3039
04:02:49,680 --> 04:02:51,800
so we're cutting back uh the rates by

3040
04:02:51,800 --> 04:02:55,520
you know uh

3041
04:02:55,520 --> 04:03:00,640
25239 773 so they don't raise rates um

3042
04:03:00,640 --> 04:03:06,600
and to fund that the uh city council has

3043
04:03:06,600 --> 04:03:10,840
wants us to use funds of 2.5 million and

3044
04:03:10,840 --> 04:03:13,520
the appropriated fund balance of 23,000

3045
04:03:13,520 --> 04:03:19,710
to uh offset that

3046
04:03:19,720 --> 04:03:22,960
Gap I mean I think go ahead please I

3047
04:03:22,960 --> 04:03:24,319
have to clarify I'm just going to

3048
04:03:24,319 --> 04:03:26,840
continue repeating it that it's not the

3049
04:03:26,840 --> 04:03:29,680
council that is necessarily suggesting

3050
04:03:29,680 --> 04:03:31,479
it that the some members of the council

3051
04:03:31,479 --> 04:03:33,159
so I just want to continue to be on the

3052
04:03:33,159 --> 04:03:36,120
record for in that in that language

3053
04:03:36,120 --> 04:03:39,120
majority Finance I totally get that I

3054
04:03:39,120 --> 04:03:42,479
just don't want to be lumped in there so

3055
04:03:42,479 --> 04:03:46,199
make it easy so go the next B um there

3056
04:03:46,199 --> 04:03:49,429
was nothing done

3057
04:03:49,439 --> 04:03:52,279
on water there was nothing done on the

3058
04:03:52,279 --> 04:03:55,080
water side on the water side we have a

3059
04:03:55,080 --> 04:03:56,960
short of

3060
04:03:56,960 --> 04:04:01,120
88347 and again I wish that uh everybody

3061
04:04:01,120 --> 04:04:04,199
take a look at uh the amount of rate

3062
04:04:04,199 --> 04:04:05,880
increase which I don't think is

3063
04:04:05,880 --> 04:04:08,960
substantial uh 16 bucks

3064
04:04:08,960 --> 04:04:12,000
year 1625 a

3065
04:04:12,000 --> 04:04:15,960
year uh with with offset that

3066
04:04:15,960 --> 04:04:19,120
cost so if we break that down what's

3067
04:04:19,120 --> 04:04:22,640
that come to 16

3068
04:04:22,640 --> 04:04:26,600
1625 1626 a year for the water increase

3069
04:04:26,600 --> 04:04:30,830
rate per day looking at

3070
04:04:30,840 --> 04:04:34,760
044 so 4.4 cents a day increase and

3071
04:04:34,760 --> 04:04:41,269
what's it for a month uh for a month

3072
04:04:41,279 --> 04:04:47,110
$16.26 divided by

3073
04:04:47,120 --> 04:04:59,389
12

3074
04:04:59,399 --> 04:05:05,120
35 at the increases waste water Sil $168

3075
04:05:05,120 --> 04:05:08,479
46 for the year that is

3076
04:05:08,479 --> 04:05:13,920
242 c a day how much a month uh $14 a

3077
04:05:13,920 --> 04:05:16,680
month as for increasing

3078
04:05:16,680 --> 04:05:31,950
all which probably could have went home

3079
04:05:31,960 --> 04:05:34,840
Wednesday going back to okay so going

3080
04:05:34,840 --> 04:05:39,840
back to Mr Farley's um suggestion

3081
04:05:39,840 --> 04:05:44,030
what

3082
04:05:44,040 --> 04:05:47,720
are I'd like to see this carry out

3083
04:05:47,720 --> 04:05:49,720
tonight as far as the capital and the

3084
04:05:49,720 --> 04:05:57,349
water store and

3085
04:05:57,359 --> 04:05:58,920
absolutely

3086
04:05:58,920 --> 04:06:02,000
there I think if you want participation

3087
04:06:02,000 --> 04:06:03,479
and you want the public to know what's

3088
04:06:03,479 --> 04:06:06,790
going on we reconvene

3089
04:06:06,800 --> 04:06:13,950
Monday

3090
04:06:13,960 --> 04:06:15,880
one other comment just on the general

3091
04:06:15,880 --> 04:06:21,000
fund want to engage in public discussion

3092
04:06:21,000 --> 04:06:24,479
I ask the council my budget is

3093
04:06:24,479 --> 04:06:28,279
not include any specific money to settle

3094
04:06:28,279 --> 04:06:30,479
the PBA

3095
04:06:30,479 --> 04:06:33,040
contract we haven't entered into formal

3096
04:06:33,040 --> 04:06:35,920
negotiations but again I asked the

3097
04:06:35,920 --> 04:06:38,520
council members and nobody has responded

3098
04:06:38,520 --> 04:06:42,040
you know what numbers you feel

3099
04:06:42,040 --> 04:06:44,760
comfortable

3100
04:06:44,760 --> 04:06:47,120
in giving me the authority to move

3101
04:06:47,120 --> 04:06:51,399
forward with that their contract uh the

3102
04:06:51,399 --> 04:06:53,479
local 28 of the fire department is

3103
04:06:53,479 --> 04:06:55,800
included in the budget I submitted to

3104
04:06:55,800 --> 04:06:59,720
you PBA contract expires December 31st

3105
04:06:59,720 --> 04:07:01,800
of this year and

3106
04:07:01,800 --> 04:07:05,359
we're uh setting up the first meetings

3107
04:07:05,359 --> 04:07:09,479
now and that even at low

3108
04:07:09,479 --> 04:07:21,389
percentages has significant

3109
04:07:21,399 --> 04:07:23,520
impact I'm not looking for public

3110
04:07:23,520 --> 04:07:27,590
comment

3111
04:07:27,600 --> 04:07:30,800
on you got to tell me you want me to put

3112
04:07:30,800 --> 04:07:36,710
a zero on the table

3113
04:07:36,720 --> 04:07:40,880
put some number there that

3114
04:07:40,880 --> 04:07:43,080
uh consistent with what we're doing

3115
04:07:43,080 --> 04:07:48,830
across the board with the rest of the

3116
04:07:48,840 --> 04:07:52,000
workforce M Williams I put finance

3117
04:07:52,000 --> 04:07:55,479
committee regards to Mr Harley's

3118
04:07:55,479 --> 04:07:59,279
suggestion what is your talk on

3119
04:07:59,279 --> 04:08:02,000
that there's uh been a lot of discussion

3120
04:08:02,000 --> 04:08:04,439
here tonight uh definitely I'm not the

3121
04:08:04,439 --> 04:08:06,319
one to to make irrational decisions and

3122
04:08:06,319 --> 04:08:08,279
I always appreciate having more to just

3123
04:08:08,279 --> 04:08:10,159
gather my thoughts uh all the comments

3124
04:08:10,159 --> 04:08:12,560
I've had with our departments and then

3125
04:08:12,560 --> 04:08:14,640
reevaluating where we currently are I

3126
04:08:14,640 --> 04:08:15,560
definitely feel like we're getting

3127
04:08:15,560 --> 04:08:19,199
closer uh I would absolutely appreciate

3128
04:08:19,199 --> 04:08:22,520
having a recess to Mr Pal's Point uh

3129
04:08:22,520 --> 04:08:25,040
Monday is a council meeting and although

3130
04:08:25,040 --> 04:08:28,119
I don't know the timeline for having our

3131
04:08:28,119 --> 04:08:30,479
next meeting uh I definitely always

3132
04:08:30,479 --> 04:08:33,840
welcome uh input from our community so I

3133
04:08:33,840 --> 04:08:35,000
don't know when our next meeting we'll

3134
04:08:35,000 --> 04:08:36,199
be able to reconvene but I would

3135
04:08:36,199 --> 04:08:39,990
entertain and recess

3136
04:08:40,000 --> 04:08:41,920
yeah I'm not I'm not available Monday

3137
04:08:41,920 --> 04:08:44,560
until like after 6 or so

3138
04:08:44,560 --> 04:08:47,800
6:30 almost ready for 7 o' meeting

3139
04:08:47,800 --> 04:08:52,880
Monday your suggestion is to vote on the

3140
04:08:52,880 --> 04:08:54,840
budget on

3141
04:08:54,840 --> 04:08:57,920
Monday reconvene the finance the finance

3142
04:08:57,920 --> 04:09:01,600
Comm and ideally vote at the council

3143
04:09:01,600 --> 04:09:04,800
meeting so you do that we have to budget

3144
04:09:04,800 --> 04:09:06,920
a little bit of time because the staff's

3145
04:09:06,920 --> 04:09:08,920
going to have

3146
04:09:08,920 --> 04:09:13,159
repair the ordinance and related

3147
04:09:13,159 --> 04:09:15,479
paperwork so I would then I would

3148
04:09:15,479 --> 04:09:17,319
recommend that we just if we're going to

3149
04:09:17,319 --> 04:09:18,720
do that then we do on Tuesday and then

3150
04:09:18,720 --> 04:09:20,880
call another special counsil

3151
04:09:20,880 --> 04:09:22,800
meeting because we're not going to have

3152
04:09:22,800 --> 04:09:24,880
time it's like I um it doesn't youan

3153
04:09:24,880 --> 04:09:26,319
know what my thoughts were but tonight I

3154
04:09:26,319 --> 04:09:28,720
didn't really not expect to be here this

3155
04:09:28,720 --> 04:09:31,920
long so I don't want to I didn't

3156
04:09:31,920 --> 04:09:35,119
wow um so I I don't want us to like push

3157
04:09:35,119 --> 04:09:43,590
forward um on that so um so that's where I need that and

3158
04:09:43,600 --> 04:09:46,279
um Mr chairman again well it is the

3159
04:09:46,279 --> 04:09:48,880
weekend if people have questions or

3160
04:09:48,880 --> 04:09:52,159
ideas reach out to me

3161
04:09:52,159 --> 04:09:55,600
or Derek or Anthony

3162
04:09:55,600 --> 04:09:58,359
and try and accommodate you in the the

3163
04:09:58,359 --> 04:10:01,239
best way uh in terms of uh getting

3164
04:10:01,239 --> 04:10:04,239
information or scenarios that you'd like

3165
04:10:04,239 --> 04:10:08,199
explored or uh analyzed no and I have to

3166
04:10:08,199 --> 04:10:10,399
say I've been getting a good response

3167
04:10:10,399 --> 04:10:12,600
from anony and in terms of answering

3168
04:10:12,600 --> 04:10:14,040
questions to members I don't think any

3169
04:10:14,040 --> 04:10:16,319
question has been out standing they get

3170
04:10:16,319 --> 04:10:18,239
it they will ask and I you know re ask

3171
04:10:18,239 --> 04:10:19,560
make sure I looked at the question and

3172
04:10:19,560 --> 04:10:22,080
submit it and they have been very good

3173
04:10:22,080 --> 04:10:25,600
in providing that to us so I than you

3174
04:10:25,600 --> 04:10:28,880
doing that for us so I can't be here

3175
04:10:28,880 --> 04:10:31,520
Tuesday night um but I do want to say

3176
04:10:31,520 --> 04:10:34,279
that I would be um in a similar

3177
04:10:34,279 --> 04:10:36,520
situation as Mr Toro and I'd rather just

3178
04:10:36,520 --> 04:10:38,680
keep going going and I understand what

3179
04:10:38,680 --> 04:10:41,960
you're saying but I do think

3180
04:10:41,960 --> 04:10:44,920
that I think that I don't think we're

3181
04:10:44,920 --> 04:10:46,040
going to change our

3182
04:10:46,040 --> 04:10:51,520
mind I don't know I don't know I mean we can still talk it all out but

3183
04:10:51,520 --> 04:10:54,359
um I I think that we could talk it out

3184
04:10:54,359 --> 04:10:57,000
tonight and see how people

3185
04:10:57,000 --> 04:10:59,119
feel but you're something other people

3186
04:10:59,119 --> 04:11:00,720
won't change their

3187
04:11:00,720 --> 04:11:03,119
mind well I I would love it if other

3188
04:11:03,119 --> 04:11:04,680
people would change their minds you just

3189
04:11:04,680 --> 04:11:07,159
made that assumption yeah yeah y but

3190
04:11:07,159 --> 04:11:08,800
then one way or the other whether we

3191
04:11:08,800 --> 04:11:10,920
talk about it on Monday at

3192
04:11:10,920 --> 04:11:14,760
6:30 before our 7:00 meeting or if we

3193
04:11:14,760 --> 04:11:17,399
talk about it this evening I still I I

3194
04:11:17,399 --> 04:11:18,800
guess what I'm saying is let's talk it

3195
04:11:18,800 --> 04:11:21,000
out and see if we

3196
04:11:21,000 --> 04:11:25,239
can what I heard Mr Mr say he want to

3197
04:11:25,239 --> 04:11:26,960
digest information

3198
04:11:26,960 --> 04:11:30,840
that's and I and I just I mean I I think

3199
04:11:30,840 --> 04:11:31,880
we're in

3200
04:11:31,880 --> 04:11:41,239
a I think we'll be in a much better um situ ation uh with the short ACC to

3201
04:11:41,239 --> 04:11:45,670
do that's my that's

3202
04:11:45,680 --> 04:11:49,040
my M I know we had some speaker here

3203
04:11:49,040 --> 04:11:50,359
tonight is that

3204
04:11:50,359 --> 04:11:54,159
what Recons the chief Z contribution

3205
04:11:54,159 --> 04:11:55,680
tonight is that what I'm trying I'm not

3206
04:11:55,680 --> 04:11:58,119
putting yeah no no absolutely yes I I I

3207
04:11:58,119 --> 04:12:00,439
F I'd like to uh Factor what we and I

3208
04:12:00,439 --> 04:12:02,520
think that we all are compell to factor

3209
04:12:02,520 --> 04:12:05,000
in what we heard today from um our fire

3210
04:12:05,000 --> 04:12:06,520
chief and our chief of police I think

3211
04:12:06,520 --> 04:12:09,199
that that that definitely a major factor

3212
04:12:09,199 --> 04:12:11,520
and what I'd like to uh kind of reflect

3213
04:12:11,520 --> 04:12:13,479
upon and as well as um some of the

3214
04:12:13,479 --> 04:12:14,960
insights that I've heard from my

3215
04:12:14,960 --> 04:12:17,399
colleagues here and I think that um

3216
04:12:17,399 --> 04:12:19,640
quite honestly we know we're being real

3217
04:12:19,640 --> 04:12:22,960
we know that there is a level of um some

3218
04:12:22,960 --> 04:12:24,399
POS some political posturing that's

3219
04:12:24,399 --> 04:12:26,680
happening and I think that a a recess

3220
04:12:26,680 --> 04:12:28,520
will allow us to kind of bring some of

3221
04:12:28,520 --> 04:12:30,199
that down and then I think that

3222
04:12:30,199 --> 04:12:34,880
collectively uh make a more uh informed

3223
04:12:34,880 --> 04:12:37,319
decision so I feel strongly about that

3224
04:12:37,319 --> 04:12:40,279
just based on um what my experience has

3225
04:12:40,279 --> 04:12:42,279
been thus

3226
04:12:42,279 --> 04:12:45,239
far um so on Monday what I mean what

3227
04:12:45,239 --> 04:12:49,520
time would we conven Finance oh Tuesday

3228
04:12:49,520 --> 04:12:52,680
said he can't oh okay no you said you

3229
04:12:52,680 --> 04:12:53,600
can come

3230
04:12:53,600 --> 04:12:56,359
Monday yes I can be after almost right

3231
04:12:56,359 --> 04:12:58,920
till 7 o' meeting you're you're going to

3232
04:12:58,920 --> 04:13:01,840
be I am going to be close to 7 o' oh

3233
04:13:01,840 --> 04:13:04,319
right he's saying you can't convene a

3234
04:13:04,319 --> 04:13:07,520
budget meeting ahead yeah well I mean

3235
04:13:07,520 --> 04:13:10,670
all you need is finance

3236
04:13:10,680 --> 04:13:13,199
committee because I I'm not going to be

3237
04:13:13,199 --> 04:13:16,239
here Tuesday but um I mean if you wanted

3238
04:13:16,239 --> 04:13:18,319
to do a different day or

3239
04:13:18,319 --> 04:13:20,800
time I I would be able to be flexible

3240
04:13:20,800 --> 04:13:22,279
about that but

3241
04:13:22,279 --> 04:13:26,279
Tuesday I have a another

3242
04:13:26,279 --> 04:13:28,640
meeting well you can't be flexible at

3243
04:13:28,640 --> 04:13:30,720
all because I mean a lot of us have made

3244
04:13:30,720 --> 04:13:33,880
accommodations for Friday

3245
04:13:33,880 --> 04:13:37,840
meetings there's no way I have look I've

3246
04:13:37,840 --> 04:13:40,119
been all the meetings here and put

3247
04:13:40,119 --> 04:13:41,760
everything in I try to be here to make

3248
04:13:41,760 --> 04:13:49,030
sure that I wasn't expected to go

3249
04:13:49,040 --> 04:13:56,429
for

3250
04:13:56,439 --> 04:13:58,479
be but again you don't need I me you

3251
04:13:58,479 --> 04:14:01,319
don't need me at the table you all know

3252
04:14:01,319 --> 04:14:03,319
how I feel I mean we've kind of talked

3253
04:14:03,319 --> 04:14:06,080
this out for hours and hours and

3254
04:14:06,080 --> 04:14:08,600
hours you taken off the table you might

3255
04:14:08,600 --> 04:14:09,600
have an

3256
04:14:09,600 --> 04:14:14,000
epiphany I I have digested the St and I

3257
04:14:14,000 --> 04:14:15,960
talked to the Chiefs that I've you know

3258
04:14:15,960 --> 04:14:19,119
read and I've spent hours going through

3259
04:14:19,119 --> 04:14:21,800
this I mean over and over and over again

3260
04:14:21,800 --> 04:14:28,239
um I know I can appreciate you being I'm pretty settled in your position and and if that's the case then right

3261
04:14:28,239 --> 04:14:30,000
then then you would need to attend and I

3262
04:14:30,000 --> 04:14:31,840
think that's okay I don't have a vote I

3263
04:14:31,840 --> 04:14:35,960
mean well NE but however yeah I still I

3264
04:14:35,960 --> 04:14:38,520
can appreciate your position man so are

3265
04:14:38,520 --> 04:14:42,880
we going to um reconvene Tuesday

3266
04:14:42,880 --> 04:14:44,960
that's I'm here for

3267
04:14:44,960 --> 04:14:47,159
that how long do you anticipate the

3268
04:14:47,159 --> 04:14:49,239
council meeting on Monday night it's

3269
04:14:49,239 --> 04:14:51,359
fairly

3270
04:14:51,359 --> 04:14:54,439
short maybe spend an hour after the

3271
04:14:54,439 --> 04:14:56,800
council meeting and then have like a

3272
04:14:56,800 --> 04:15:01,550
special meeting after that to

3273
04:15:01,560 --> 04:15:04,119
vote you could recess that council

3274
04:15:04,119 --> 04:15:07,080
meeting you wouldn't have to have a uh

3275
04:15:07,080 --> 04:15:10,870
special

3276
04:15:10,880 --> 04:15:13,560
meeting and oh the res say and then vote

3277
04:15:13,560 --> 04:15:15,359
after that is that what you say or even

3278
04:15:15,359 --> 04:15:17,760
if you called the meeting Tuesday or

3279
04:15:17,760 --> 04:15:22,189
Wednesday whatever day all

3280
04:15:22,199 --> 04:15:24,760
right he could do Tuesday he couldn't do

3281
04:15:24,760 --> 04:15:27,680
Monday so

3282
04:15:27,680 --> 04:15:33,109
um you can be at Monday's 7 o'

3283
04:15:33,119 --> 04:15:36,000
meeting

3284
04:15:36,000 --> 04:15:40,439
and stay up until 11 o'cl on

3285
04:15:40,439 --> 04:15:44,399
Monday I was suggesting an hour the

3286
04:15:44,399 --> 04:15:49,319
meeting have generally been going fairly

3287
04:15:49,319 --> 04:15:52,359
quickly I don't think

3288
04:15:52,359 --> 04:15:55,159
there's any item on the agenda that

3289
04:15:55,159 --> 04:15:57,479
should evoke a lot of controversy or

3290
04:15:57,479 --> 04:16:00,720
discussion so move that meeting forward

3291
04:16:00,720 --> 04:16:04,479
and well we don't know that I know just

3292
04:16:04,479 --> 04:16:08,479
it's my wishful thinking I mean Mr

3293
04:16:08,479 --> 04:16:11,760
Farley's Epiphany will cross the

3294
04:16:11,760 --> 04:16:14,040
community so we may have a lot of people

3295
04:16:14,040 --> 04:16:15,720
that come and speak about the budget and

3296
04:16:15,720 --> 04:16:18,279
that's going to take us over so even

3297
04:16:18,279 --> 04:16:19,680
though no one came to the public hearing

3298
04:16:19,680 --> 04:16:21,399
now they have a lot more information

3299
04:16:21,399 --> 04:16:24,119
which is really a good thing so is

3300
04:16:24,119 --> 04:16:27,119
anybody besides me and M Doro interested

3301
04:16:27,119 --> 04:16:28,920
in trying to do this

3302
04:16:28,920 --> 04:16:30,960
tonight and if not can we do it

3303
04:16:30,960 --> 04:16:33,479
Wednesday so that Patrick and

3304
04:16:33,479 --> 04:16:35,880
unforunately be my

3305
04:16:35,880 --> 04:16:38,239
father

3306
04:16:38,239 --> 04:16:47,790
Thursday's the yeah so we're back to

3307
04:16:47,800 --> 04:16:49,840
Tuesday actually doesn't have to be

3308
04:16:49,840 --> 04:16:51,920
adopted until the

3309
04:16:51,920 --> 04:16:55,279
first reconvene on Halloween or actually

3310
04:16:55,279 --> 04:17:01,670
on the

3311
04:17:01,680 --> 04:17:05,800
1 put you under some pressure

3312
04:17:05,800 --> 04:17:13,490
has

3313
04:17:13,500 --> 04:17:15,479
[Music]

3314
04:17:15,479 --> 04:17:19,000
lot of but we've always done it well I

3315
04:17:19,000 --> 04:17:20,600
say there were times when we got into

3316
04:17:20,600 --> 04:17:22,199
fights and it went into

3317
04:17:22,199 --> 04:17:26,000
December but it's always been done by

3318
04:17:26,000 --> 04:17:29,000
the last day of October in recent time

3319
04:17:29,000 --> 04:17:31,720
but the charter says by November 1st so

3320
04:17:31,720 --> 04:17:33,840
I think if you adopt it on November 1st

3321
04:17:33,840 --> 04:17:35,800
you're in

3322
04:17:35,800 --> 04:17:38,279
compliance

3323
04:17:38,279 --> 04:17:45,229
whether or not we want to

3324
04:17:45,239 --> 04:17:49,239
wait yeah well my position is clear end

3325
04:17:49,239 --> 04:17:51,920
up doing a

3326
04:17:51,920 --> 04:17:54,760
dance how come good Tuesday okay I'm

3327
04:17:54,760 --> 04:17:55,479
good

3328
04:17:55,479 --> 04:17:59,119
Tuesday Tuesday Tuesday I I can make it

3329
04:17:59,119 --> 04:18:00,159
on

3330
04:18:00,159 --> 04:18:03,880
Tuesday Tuesday is not great but so no

3331
04:18:03,880 --> 04:18:07,800
one else to do it tonight no

3332
04:18:07,800 --> 04:18:10,439
good I've made plenty of accommodations

3333
04:18:10,439 --> 04:18:13,920
so far so it's disappointing can't

3334
04:18:13,920 --> 04:18:16,880
be I have been here every single meeting

3335
04:18:16,880 --> 04:18:17,760
any

3336
04:18:17,760 --> 04:18:20,159
abent and I have been from starting to

3337
04:18:20,159 --> 04:18:24,000
ending every meeting this be sacrifice

3338
04:18:24,000 --> 04:18:25,479
people walk away from meeting people

3339
04:18:25,479 --> 04:18:29,560
attend meeting I'm here all the meetings

3340
04:18:29,560 --> 04:18:34,720
sacrifice so Tuesday it is then so

3341
04:18:34,720 --> 04:18:41,070
okay we'll move to fin commot

3342
04:18:41,080 --> 04:18:43,560
toess a motion to recess the finance

3343
04:18:43,560 --> 04:18:48,600
committee to chose 5 p.m but I I still

3344
04:18:48,600 --> 04:18:50,119
have to call the special city council me

3345
04:18:50,119 --> 04:18:52,880
to words to say there is no budget and

3346
04:18:52,880 --> 04:18:56,159
then so it becomes your prerogative you

3347
04:18:56,159 --> 04:18:59,880
could recess this is ridiculous a city

3348
04:18:59,880 --> 04:19:01,880
meeting on

3349
04:19:01,880 --> 04:19:04,760
Monday I have Tuesday Wednesday whatever

3350
04:19:04,760 --> 04:19:12,670
day okay then I'll do that

3351
04:19:12,680 --> 04:19:16,830
you have a

3352
04:19:16,840 --> 04:19:19,159
motioning

3353
04:19:19,159 --> 04:19:25,149
second second I'm G to Second all in

3354
04:19:25,159 --> 04:19:28,199
favor I I do want to I have to go on the

3355
04:19:28,199 --> 04:19:30,199
record as saying I will be shocked if

3356
04:19:30,199 --> 04:19:32,720
you all change your if anybody changes

3357
04:19:32,720 --> 04:19:34,399
their their viewpoints I appreciate what

3358
04:19:34,399 --> 04:19:38,080
you're trying to suggest but um I don't

3359
04:19:38,080 --> 04:19:41,080
I know I wasn't politically postering I

3360
04:19:41,080 --> 04:19:44,800
didn't say you were I know I know you know I don't Mi words either so we

3361
04:19:44,800 --> 04:20:04,630
know

3362
04:20:04,640 --> 04:20:13,109
that toj

3363
04:20:13,119 --> 04:20:15,239
all right one second please Council MERS

3364
04:20:15,239 --> 04:20:16,680
council

3365
04:20:16,680 --> 04:20:19,159
members our Corporation Council says

3366
04:20:19,159 --> 04:20:21,520
that I should call the council members

3367
04:20:21,520 --> 04:20:23,560
our Corporation Council so need to call

3368
04:20:23,560 --> 04:20:25,720
the special meeting to order and then

3369
04:20:25,720 --> 04:20:27,760
say that we're going to have a special

3370
04:20:27,760 --> 04:20:29,800
meeting have a speci meting Tuesday so

3371
04:20:29,800 --> 04:20:31,720
I'd like to call to order of special

3372
04:20:31,720 --> 04:20:34,800
council meeting for Friday October 20th

3373
04:20:34,800 --> 04:20:37,319
2023 roll call

3374
04:20:37,319 --> 04:20:39,600
I want a roll call that you're here I

3375
04:20:39,600 --> 04:20:41,600
want a roll call on that vote about

3376
04:20:41,600 --> 04:20:43,800
there's no vote there's no vote to to to

3377
04:20:43,800 --> 04:20:45,479
have a special meeting you don't have to

3378
04:20:45,479 --> 04:20:47,800
vote any one member can call a special

3379
04:20:47,800 --> 04:20:50,279
meeting no this is because we have

3380
04:20:50,279 --> 04:20:51,840
called a special meeting for this

3381
04:20:51,840 --> 04:20:54,000
afterno we can't just walk away from

3382
04:20:54,000 --> 04:20:55,720
meeting so we just have to call it close

3383
04:20:55,720 --> 04:20:59,399
it and then we going to recess Monday

3384
04:20:59,399 --> 04:21:01,439
and then reconvene so we weren't able to

3385
04:21:01,439 --> 04:21:03,399
pass the budget today so therefore we

3386
04:21:03,399 --> 04:21:05,600
will not have a special meeting tonight

3387
04:21:05,600 --> 04:21:09,279
so I motion to Adin special

3388
04:21:09,279 --> 04:21:11,760
meeting all in

3389
04:21:11,760 --> 04:21:14,880
favor thank

3390
04:21:14,880 --> 04:21:16,920
you I thought you were calling for a

3391
04:21:16,920 --> 04:21:20,319
special meeting on Tuesday I thought

3392
04:21:20,319 --> 04:21:28,750
that's well did you just vote on

3393
04:21:28,760 --> 04:21:31,359
that no I know but how do we how do we

3394
04:21:31,359 --> 04:21:32,560
don't have to officially do anything

3395
04:21:32,560 --> 04:21:35,429
about

3396
04:21:35,439 --> 04:21:39,309
Tuesday

3397
04:21:39,319 --> 04:21:43,250
so Monday

3398
04:21:43,260 --> 04:21:49,790
[Music]

3399
04:21:49,800 --> 04:22:05,349
11 what is What is

3400
04:22:05,359 --> 04:22:32,149
the

3401
04:22:32,159 --> 04:22:35,359
we would recess have Finance

3402
04:22:35,359 --> 04:23:05,269
meeting

3403
04:23:05,279 --> 04:23:08,279
Rec