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for a half oh okay so I
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yeah
hi guys I'm hi Mr
Ferrari I'm good how you
feel how are
you
going uh yeah busy it's always busy
the walking urgent car urgent car I know
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great yeah
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busy
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wonderful
I'd like to call the ORD city council
committee meeting for Tuesday October
31st 2023 and I'll turn it over to
M finance committee we met we had recess
a meeting to answer to get answer
regarding
to the $2.5 million AR
allocation Mr can you give I something
avilable just for the sake of the public
can you just walk us through that
or sorry what was that the $2.5 million
that they asked question
about
sure
about how we could use the 2.5 million
funds
yes so after a discussion with our audit
um
company um I believe that I sent an
email to the city council Oran and
pfield council president and John Baron
um and listing um what we can and what
we can do .5 million um noted on this
email the 2.5 million can be used for
specific capital
projects um what it cannot be used for
is um premium
pay uh the rehiring of public sector sta
staff and um the city uh can't be used
as lost Revenue because we already have
a different section uh that's broken
down uh from the 5.2% ruling uh so
only what we can do currently we 2.5
million for capital projects if you
would like me to read um what I wrote to
in the email to the city council I can
everybody did you all get that yeah we
don't
need now the email that you forward to
us is that that came from the AR
directly if you look underneath um
there's response from the Auditors um if
you look in the I believe it's
highlighted in red those are the
responses from the
Auditors and then I just wrote it my own
um summary um that was sent to city
council any question on
that well I don't have questions but I
did some research over the weekend and
just keeping in mind this is not part
this is not happened in New York but um
there were other municipalities that use
the money that way and um I can pass out
the so we don't have to I don't have to
read to you I can pass out the
information that um and
the
that that that mandate violated the
spending Clause so again it didn't
happen in New Y it didn't happen in New
York however it did happen in other
states and so because we're really
trying to figure out how we one more one
more please
okay yep yep oh
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sorry
good um so just trying to figure out how
we can you know balance this budget and
be able to use the ARB fund to do
it so just providing that information to
you and we you know need to be able to
move forward and see
um if we want to consider using it based
on what has happened in other states um
there's that then I have another
question Mr M go so um the the question
is I guess for Mr Ferrari we I sent the
email out and all of you got it about
line a
5182 and so
um then and I sent a phot and the mayor
um received an answer from U Miss Nelson
and in it she said that it was used that
it was it would be used for um paying
out debt and she said up until
2028 uh I I think you were talking about
the Rev payment 1.3 million yes okay
yeah that that is going to be the final
payment of the three-year rev
demonstration that we appr doing I think
the mayor has a negotiation now uh to
try to offset some of those costs to
lower it uh in in of course through 2028
what's what's going to be happening is
that we're going to be paying uh you
know support fees for that but I believe
that's going to be right in our
Communications budget that we have
because the email that we got said that
it was like 102,000 a year through 2028
could be yeah yeah but that doesn't was
not a single line was part of was part
of the John cucho's budget right but it
doesn't it doesn't add up to 1.3 million
even because the 1.3 million we if you
remember we paid it in 21 22 and now
we're going to pay the last payment 23
1.3 that's for the whole rev
demonstration 102 is is the additional
cost of I believe Merit software and
correct that's okay that's that's not
the answer that we got from Miss
Nelson that you you you folded
to okay so you open in this room
that is the
answer
get she saying that it's in a debt
service line GL A7 9714 600 budget
transfer is done from the a515 code and
then she goes on and she says that it's
going to be upcoming payment in January
February um for is the last large
payment and she said I still okay and
there's still yearly payments of 1
1,00,000 and
then lines so my question why would see
in the lines I believe John kucho put it
under his lines in his in his uh line
under his categor
where you wish I call down no you can't
call down I I wish I
could page 37 thank
you it's on the street
Li could be on the street where you
get where is it right there yep that's
the one that's I'm talking about there's
nothing in 2024 there's nothing in 2024
no but because the final payment of the
1.35 million
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over3 1.35 350 is going to be the final
payment now light power and gas is where
he put the 102,000 in because that's
going to be not only from 228 it's
probably going to be going out
forever the line above the light power
gas the National Grid Smart City Network
the contractual that's going to be the
last payment this entire amount 1351 350
it's already been encumbered we're going
to pay it in February I think she
mentioned that right yes that's what we
do and I think the mayor's in negotiate
right now trying to lower that number
because of you know whatever reason that
he
can but I believe the
102,000 goes into the regular power
lightning gas number and my other
question was about the smart cities the
two men that was uh that showed up in
the 21 budget we haven't seen it going
forward in any other budget and where
that funding went well we're almost
complete with that uh I believe uh uh
the mayor and joh fucho and B he gotten
a grant
there that Rec call I didn't put
anything in this capital budget so I
believe there's grant money out there
that we should pursue and if it put
money in the capital budget a lot of
times it disqualifies us from grant
money where it's already being paid for
so the money that we put aside like
numerous years it's almost done that's
my question yeah it's already been
incumber oh yeah that's what you said
yeah right
so well okay then those questions are
answered they're not showing up here but
it's so it's hard to know if it's not
there well won't show up there we show
up in as the capital expense which is
you know
you we don't have these are just Capital
forti year not for prior years right and
it only showed up in 21 didn't show up
in 22 didn't show because we didn't
borrow any money 21 22 because I believe
the Mayers W working on get
GRS okay so those are my questions so
there's no other there's no other um
funding out there there's no other money
that that we can use John on Mr
M so my question since we got us here
can we ask Mr for if you can this and
give us an opinion it's
possible you
know from the looks I've talked Mr M
about this obviously I wasn't here last
week uh Mr Mar looked into this a little
bit um my understanding is the second
circuit which is where we are not
taking this type of case yet um be hard
to determine what the second circuit
will do um just because you know we have
other circuits that have you know looked
at this
um that doesn't necessarily mean that
the second circuit would you know come
out one particular way or another
particular way so it' be hard to say you
know if somebody were to
challenge um you know the the tax offset
Prohibition in the second circuit where
that Court
would decided to
B
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okay
have any
question those last week you had
mentioned you would like to review the
Caple talk something I have a not here
yeah I was um I I think I mentioned it was um for the stairs I did we did
talk about the stairs for the
reservoir
$500,000 and my question was um were
they were did the stairs actually go to
the world then they go for the resident
so
um as I recall Mr
um Mr Leon said they went all the way to the reservo so I did ask that
question oh so you you got an answer yes
okay Mr just want to walk
this of the
please uh the Council budget changes for
general fund these are the budget
changes that the council had uh spoken
to us about how you wanted to make
changes the first one is from the
mayor's budget uh his original budget of 6.9 mil 59,2 73 for refusing trash
charges uh you propos the change back to
the 2023 budget so that was a
mil7
32,990 uh change the second was uh you
increase the the appropriation of fund
balance by
32,2 196 so the mayor's original budget
is at
3,800
241 is now uh will be appropriated to
4,120
537 the total amount of changes uh that
you made in general fund and revenue uh
was a total of of um reduction of
revenues by
1,426 194 and taking the mayor's
original uh budget of
11,864 120 to
9,673 and7 and
$726 uh and then do you want me to go
line by line or you just can see it no
please you know we have the salaries
changes we have the police overtime
changes we have the fleet manager
changes the street manager changes and
we'll
add finish the whole uh when we finish
the whole thing again uh it was a
reduction of 1,
42,69421
after we make those changes
any question on
this
on the back
too I
found so B on the email from
you what is your position regarding 2.5
million well
on at this point in time since we're not
clear and it hasn't happened in New York
I don't know that we want to necessarily
Robo dice on
that so um based on what our Corporation
Council says because we haven't seen it
in New York so we don't know what would
happen if even if we saw in another
municipality within New York State i'
certainly be much more comfortable um
say that we should go ahead and do it
but without having seen
that don't know that we should do
that so we have
to um so that's that's my position on
that but everybody else is here so they
can certainly um weigh
in i i would support what our finance
staff is
recommended
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since you are making suggestion here
where we going to find
2.5 I I mean there's there aren't a lot
of place to to find it there's just our
um our um fund balance and that's it
there's no I mean there's no place
else it's not like we have our Magic
Money Tre to pull it
up Mr U and
C the water and sore fund is only going
to increase it's not going to decrease
our debt payments just for the uh uh a
wastewater treatment plant and and the
north fa treat PS pump station is going
to be over a million dollars a
year I implore you to please uh think
about raising the water and SE rate
increases we're only talking water and
seore 94 $946 a year per unit
$22.62 per quarter we're we're not
asking for much but you're going to have
to raise it next year you're going to
have to raise it double because you're
putting yourself in a predicament where
you're not trying to overcome you you're
not overcoming your your debt and then
you're going to use all your fund
balance and it's going to just put more
pressure on you guys going
forward uh
financially like I says in next year
you're going to probably have to double
if you don't raise it this year first of
all because you're not going to have a
fund balance you use fund balance you
got any fund balance left to use and
then you're going to have to increase
the rates to get a fund balance and pay
for the uh the debt and and work uh you
know contracts are up you know they're
everything is going to everything is
increasing I have to tell you and I
think the safest and smartest move is to raise the water and sord uh rate
increase by the proportions that were
the mayor put in the budget
originally I just wanted to say that
it's being financially
sound
and if we if we decide not to the
majority count decide not to raise this total of the water and so will have
to come out from the general Reserve to
balance the budget you
wow can you uh D can you talk about the
fund balance we also talked to our sure
our fiscal advisors about our
so our fiscal advisors um suggested is
that um there's a certain range uh they
specifically talk about the general fund
um and that specific range of fund
balance to Total expenses between 13 and
15% um the way we're looking towards
using our fund balance we're looking to
be below that range and that's going to
affect our bond
rating I can read exactly what he wrote
here okay um from the city's 22 audit
total fund balance as a percentage of
expenditures is
19.6% if the fund balance decreases by
3.8 million well if you're going to add
another 2.5 we're talking six you're
talking three more million we're at four
you're talking 7 million so you're
doubling this the total fund balance of
percentage will decrease to 13 15 uh 7%
but that's at 3.8 million at uh at 7
million like you're talking to you're going down to what 9% we looking
at around
9% and these
levels uh above 13 to
15% are not as high as 20 22% it's
important to know the Assumption
expenses are held constant at the 22
level which we know it or not and there
are not initial Surplus or defic or
deficiencies in the city results
operations any changes to these barrels
impact the metric as
well okay what do it say they refer to
these projects and programs as a tail
using arper funds and they would view
future expenses without a revenue source
as negative or pressure on the finance
of the city depending on the mod future
cost the city would need to resorb in
future
years that's that's the good
part that's the good part so you say any
decrease of the fund BS below the 133%
% a year end will impact the metrics
that calculate the city's rating and
depending on the extent of the decrease
could find Place downward pressure on
the rating as the last rating report the
fund balance as a percentage expense
showed a positive strong and budgetary
flexibility and this will put pressure
on us because we're we're going the
opposite view of that I just want to let
you know that and that's what I'm saying
you're putting yourself pressure without
raising these rates you're putting
pressure on the city finances and your
finances I not personally but when you
do this budget next year you're putting
a lot of pressure on yourselves because
now you're going to really have to raise
in all aspects water sore
General and the reason I'm saying this
is is is the rate is not is not a big
rate to increase and you're looking too
in the projects water and sore again
you're looking to
uh borrow and uh the sore fund another
1.5 million and another 950,000 in water
sore and you know we've been using
reserves for the last maybe five years
so we haven't borrowed any money from
water sore and we're anticipating the
use well this borrowing for the
wastewater treatment plant that and you
know we're planning on getting this
thing go happened and things just
exploded now what I'm saying is that
it's I think it's in your best interest
to raise the rates on water and
sord so are you saying that we have some
capital projects in water and
store so according to what Mr gole said
that we could use that 2.5 there so that
would less our borro that's what his
email said I would love for you guys
use for water and sore that but that's
not
affecting water start borrowing next
year yeah I mean 2025 is going to cuz that's when you start paying for the
debt but I'm saying for water and sore
now you should raise the
rates believe me as a homeowner I I
really don't would like to see water and
rates GL but I know a fact that you know
the single family that I have I'm only
paid less than $300 a year for my water
and I know for a fact that my brother is
in reram paying $600 a year and my
brother in reram Junction is paying
$1,100 a year for water so I know we're
doing great so for another $16 a year
you making $36 that's F I feel like I'm
getting a
deal uh our sore uh right now a single
family is about $433 we're asking for 74
it sounds like a lot but we have the
wastewater treatment plant we have the
new pump station uh we we're working uh
to everything to update our whole
infrastructure for the future and what
I'm saying if you don't raise these
rates and then you're are you're doing
is stalling uh a
future you know a financial future for
not only to water Sor I think for the
city as a
whole and we're under looking
$946 a year for water and sore comes to
$22.62 per quarter it's that for your
tax bill per unit so if you have the two
unit it be4 $45 and uh 12 cents 22 CS 24
cents I mean based on prior discussion I
don't think based on prior discussion I
don't think we have a majority of
members supporting U raising the
Feats want to take a
quick it's up to you
guys I'm just trying to have you guys
financially sound you know when I leave
here I want to be able to feel good
about myself have we over seen a copy of
that yeah this was done a fews
ago it's also has the weight waist
increase but now you know we're done
with the general portion I'm just
looking at these two these two number
before2 oh not that one that near just
said these no I can get for you would
mind no
problem do you want help me now or just
later
that comes to $1.74 a
week that's less than a pack of
cigarett
that c that plus a coffee
24 cents a
day I mean I have the number so just
thror it out there for you just I'm
trying to help you believe me I'm not
trying to do anything
negative when you're at this table next
year and you're going to be raising
these rates
double you're going to say I wish should
listen to Anthony
Ferrari well actually Mr M I think
that's a good point because I believe
that last last year we didn't support
what the mayor's budget um asked for in
water sewer and trash and so that
probably helped put us into more of a
water so that probably did exactly that
put us into a you know a little bit of a
pickle this year that's why we had a
double this year the half plus the other
half just play out what you're saying
for next year next year it's going to
even double
unless we increase our Revenue we should
right work on that yeah well this how
you increase your
Revenue but your water sore is not a lot
of places you
can not a lot of places you can add
Revenue this regard to a pilot um I
think we we didn't touch on that this
year excuse me pilot um program can you
give us a little brief update on how
it's going pilot program I think is at
2.5 million I got that number from
um
met
2.5 2.6 million 2550 that's what it
was was payment W taxes yeah five m y 2
million 50 I got that number from Metro
that is uh you know the deals that uh uh
excuse me mayor what is that connect to
the F Well industrial the city
Industrial Development agency and
Metroplex are the two that are
authorized to enter into pilot
agreements econom development
projects so uh that's the number of you
know Pilots we're going to be receiving
over this year
so mayor be clear that that's not part
of something that you're involved in as
well I know you said the Ida in metlex
so as the chief executive of the city
then that's not something that um well I
participate some of the discussions
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for lining up the deals or attracting
businesses here but the authority to
Grant the pilots are solely with
Metroplex and the city Industrial
Development agency thank you well for
that matter the county Industrial
Development agency also to do some in
the city we run everything through the
city
agent
about
next
so
for
how do we move
forward I don't see I mean anyway around
if there's no movement on
um increasing the fees then we would
have to take from the fund balance um it
was brought up that we did do half last
year so I guess the other the other
consideration is do half this
year just putting that out there for the
best just start talking so I think my my
position Still Remains that we should
not increase the fund balance however as
I'm in hearing this information and
digesting it in real time make for
Anthony recognizes I'm not oblivious to
what's lying ahead uh I want to make
sure we're
presenting this increase to the city um
having taken additional steps so I guess
my question is you mentioned
9% and in the packet she highlights or
this individual highlights 15.7 so it
was from 21 or
22 so if this 13 to 15% is the ideal
metric correct and that 9% how do we
bridge that
Gap or
is
that's if that's it worst case scenario
if we use
23's um total fund balance and then what
is um proposed by C counc for
2024 so the proposed uh tax increases by
the mayor does that exceed that gap of
9% and the recommended 13 to 15% that's
my question if that makes
sense let me just say the increase does
not go in a general fund it's strictly
for water and sore what Mr M wanted to
do was actually take money out of the
general fund for water and sore but then
there would be a a 2.5 million a $2.5
million gap or $3 million gap which he
wanted to fund with reserves so that
means right now I think if you look at
our 2024
budget uh we have uh in
2023 we've
uh allocated
the appropriate fund bonds of 4.5
million and and now in 2024 just without
Mr M's suggestion we're at 4.1 million
so it's taking the out of the 8.4
million of unfunded of
unassigned we're going to be using uh
4.1 in
4.5 uh 8.6 million so we're going to be
way over the 9 9% if you look at using
that portion so much's left over that
portion
uh over the 109 million right is that
how am I saying it right
there so you're taking the um and that's
not including 2.5 million balance
compared to the actual expenses uh for
the general operation and that's how you
get the
percentage right so show that the
percentage how did you figure it out um
so for example um Council I
believe give for the 2023 fund balance
um so both off the 18.9 million we
read 20 was it 22
financials um if we take the 23 fund
outs of uh 4.5 million approximately
then um whether it is the uh council's
proposed uh fund balance at
4.1 uh you reduce at 18.9 mlion by those
two numbers you come up with
approximately 10 million 279 uh you do
the math uh divide that by the total
expenses by the proposed um budget the
council uh Council changes and that's
about
9% and then if you add another 2.5
million that'll bring that 10 million
down to 8 million so divide 109 by 8
million we're looking at even a lesser
less than 9%
so we way below the
13% so what I'm saying is we save the
2.5 million by raising the water soore
rates that's what I'm saying instead of
using the function which you're want to
do like I say the next year you know you
have less of a worry about using funds
because now you don't have a fund
balance to rely on because you used it
this year you're going to have to raise
a property tax waste you have to raise
the water you G have to ra sore you're
can probably have to find some other
things you're GNA have to raise right I
understand the logic of that can you
provide or how quickly could you assess
what increasing the taxes by 50% as Miss
bfield highlighted
50
rates okay yeah you want us come back
with
that
Mo did you hear his request yes so we go
I think we better do our
computer you want to use the
phone or or My
handwritten excuse
us
but realiz happens
unless City shut
down I think we should do it tonight
oh okay I'm just saying to you it's not
like andl just we don't have that the
beginning of the year we have money to
spend
then
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okay let's uh let's start with the sore
proposed s budget now a
50% uh change in the sore
budget uh so the city council changes uh
as you can see from the proposed 2024
budget
uh to 50% increase uh changes uh um the
cost by 1.2 million
1,261
187 uh so to make up the difference
we're we're going to have to use
appropriated fund balance from the shore
Department of
1,261 two
$261,900 has a has
a amount of
uh 3.1 million available so I I do not
see that's almost half I do not see you
going any over this more than
this 1.61 million I would would like to
see a full 100% because when you come
here next year you're going to be doing
the same thing all over again right
understand that Mr I just just wanted to
rate I wanted to study that
again okay so in uh the Water Department
M uh the 50% changes as you can see uh we're going from uh uh
441,000 originally cutting in half by
441,000 and we're using uh appropriated
fund balance of
$41,800 has 2.2 million available so
we're going to be again I don't think we
should go any lower than
that and the first last time I you're
going to be here next year doing this
whole thing all over again
not going to mention it
again unless we get more Revenue I'll
mention that
again
soti
count that could be
too that's a good
idea so this sheet here you have two
water just to take Clarity that's we
brokee that in half to just show you
what the cost would be uh for ear water
rate increase be
$8.13 S would be
$370 broke it down to the day break it
down to the day comes to 12 cents a day
water and sore per
unit so the one $9 is the weight just in
case you guys want to increase waste by
50% you
know to take down the appropriated fund
balance a little bit so we can move that
a little bit I didn't figure out what
that was going to be but I thought I'd
throw it in there and try to help you
yeah that's right
thank
you Mr
will I think it's imperative to just
identify that this is my second time
going to the budget cycle and I very
much I'm trying to shorten my learning
curve but it becomes very apparent that
there are some individuals that are
willing to make concessions and there
are other individuals that are standing
in their positions of 100% of the
mayor's proposed budget and I think that places these conversations at a
lose lose element because we are all
sitting here trying to advocate for our
positions and I truly understand that
we're all here to do the good work of
the city but that is not negotiating and
I am sitting here trying to in my
position uh thread that needle and I do
not want to pit it at in us first thing
because that is not what we're doing the work for the city the
resident of the city conect uh but it it
is clear when we hear I want this and I
want one at all and that that
unfortunately is not what I'm going to
support uh I do understand and I I hear
your logic Mr Ferrari and I appreciate
you've been uh broken record but for
various
reasons just trying I've been working
for the city for 40 years I lived there
all my life I'm looking for the the good
of the city no I I I respect that uh I I
would love to hear from Miss Patrick and
Mr Toro uh are you remaining and I want
all of it or how do you respond to this
50% go ahead please well I think that in
my case I'd have to say that I trust the
expertise of the staff and I think that
first of all last year we already didn't
do that so I think that has um put us in
a situation this year yes I'm going to
pretty much remain solid about the
police and the fire over time um I think
it's a mistake to be cutting service
um especially when it comes to Public
Safety I think you know when you think
about the number of calls that um our
teams are going out on um it actually
increased by the way this weekend from
last weekend which was already
ridiculous but um you know I found out
the numbers today of of of this weekend
it was up even higher um so I mean you
know if you cut the police and fire
overtime we're just going to have to
come back um I don't know how many
months in to do an amendment because
again the fire we already know it's
contractual so we're going to have to
come up with the money anyway um so in
that sense
um you
know that's that's my
position you yeah I just want to just
like really um mention about the the
police budget because every keeps
talking about cutting cutting cutting
and I want to just make sure that we
understand that this year's budget is
more than last year's budget it's the
largest budget that police and in the
history of the city of SK so it's not
that we're cutting their budget we're
not we're not ask we're not giving
everything that they're asked for and
that's two different things so I just
want to make sure that language is clear
because cutting sounds like we went in
we took away something that they already
had and that's not what happened what
happened was they asked for this amount
of increase and we reduce the amount of
increase that was asked for not their
budget I will clarify what I said that I
just meant that we're decreasing what
they need yes what they ask for so I
just want to be clear because I've heard
that conversation that we're cutting
their budget and that's really not what
is what what has happened here well
we're decreasing from what we're we're
cutting from what they've asked us for
so that that's that's a reduction of
their ask which is what part of
budgeting is but it's not cutting their
budget so that's a different story yeah
but I guess I would have to suggest that
I think the chief of police and the fire
chief have given us realistic numbers in
their budget estimate based on what
they've spent in the past well they well
so last year we also reduced the budget
so um so just putting that out there but
I just want to be clear we're not
reducing what they ear are getting I
just want to make sure that everybody
understands that and and again I think
it's important to identify there are no
reductions in services from my position
what I'm challenging them to is there
are vacant positions that can be
utilized to uh subsidize the um not
getting their fulles and as you heard
from Chief Marino he said said at
verbatim there is wiggle room or he said
that there is a a room to um eban flow
and my challenge is why are we going to
overg give when we can utilize that
money to reduce some of the ass to the
community and again if they do need more
then we can come back and amend the
budget but at this present time I I feel
those same angs that you have for
attributing attacks of this magnitude to
the community and although I understand
Mr Ferrari that
comparatively speaking the waste
increase at 50% is $39 the water rate
increase is $8 the sewer rate increase
would be $37 these are not the only
expenses that households are feeling gas
is also going up food is also going up
rinse also going up and I think it's
important to recognize the cumulative
effect of all of these increases and
that is what I'm trying to make sure I
position myself where I can go to these
doors and if anyone asks me present a
fair argument of where I
say except for one thing none of this
does anything to to decrease the tax
rate the water and sewage funds are
separate from the General Revenue area
so cutting in those has nothing to do
with water and sewage done nothing here
to reduce taxes done nothing here to
reduce the deficit all that was done was
Shuffle money around and honestly
increase positions in certain certain
areas and give raises so there was no
real impact at all to the tax rate so
other than the water and sewage which is
separate from these so they're two
separate entities Al together so what
you said is nice it would be great if
that's how it worked but it
doesn't but it does work to the degree
that the taxpayers will have to pay this
additional money it does work to that
degree so the mayor himself said we
talked about it
when in fact when we Tred to spend he
was talking about the as was Miss
Patrick the overtime budget and the
impact they're two separate entities all
together but in fact taxpayers will have
to pay more do you agree or disagree if
we increase the water andur funds do
they or
not
Mr um I we just I was just ready to
comment on the swer fees and the water
fees here not on everything else right
now but I thought that's what we were
addressing at this moment so um as a
homeowner business owner with multiple
properties here in the city and yes um
the cost of everything going up I myself
personally wouldn't mind budgeting this
year for the total amount that's
proposed in the mayor's budget and then
moving forward knowing next year I may
have to budget again for some additional
amounts because of all the rising costs
so I
am okay with what was proposed in the
mayor's
budget Mr Williams I appreciate um you
uh making a suggestion to do 50% for
water and 50% for silver it is no secret
that I made it very clear that I don't
favor
increasing taxes or passing in the cost
tax
pays we I have made it very clear that
we need to look at the budget and to
make cuts across board so that we can
able to reduce the burden on tax
payers um we cannot continue to spend
and pass the cost on the
taxpayers we as a council we need
to be help accountable and we need to
report to our taxpayer that's why they
put us here uh we need to make
concession if I if I'm willing to move
forward with this I need we need to
address the open fills that we have in
2023 that we carrying in 20
2024 and we also need to look at the um
the new F that we have for 2024
budget we cannot cannot continue to pass
Bo non taxpayers and we seem so like
don't have an history increasing our
spending so Mr I just wanted to clear
you so if if you if we do the increase
and right now we're talking about water
and sour so I'm going to stay there um
are are you saying that we need to
revisit the um the positions that were
that we talked about before and reduce
more positions is that what you're
saying yes we should revisit look at the
pills we have in 2023 that we aning and
look at the new hires that we carrying
what we proposed in the
2024 do we really need all this
position where is the cost
saving and by doing that we can able to
you know look we look at the U the
police and fire
time
but at this point in time I am not going
I mean with all due respect Mr Williams
I I'm not supporting
this
so it seems like we're an impath so what
are you suggesting that we just leave it
as is and Mr mud Mr Williams um Mr
palini uh finance
committee needs need to know where what
your positioning is and um because it
would be ideal if we could pass the
budget I don't know
Miss we
have it it's our biggest responsibility
I would say city council why we're
trying to get there and um and I I
appreciate what you always say about um
you know that we're counting on our um
experts but it is part of our
responsibility to review those things
and see where we can make reasonable
reductions in order to pass the budget
and not to pass as um much onto our
taxpayers if necessary and I think it's
also a responsibility and we should
probably do more of it next year when
we're negotiating various agreements
that we do more
to to bring in Revenue so that's also a
part of our uh as we look at the budget
unfortunately we only do this yearly and
so maybe we'll just do this quarterly
and just kind of see where we are and
take the temperature during during the
year to see where we're going to end up
at the end of the
year so we're here right now Mr mudaron
is not supporting an increas at all so
uh and Mr F hasn't
said
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so if I can just so we're discussing
this particular increase but I've heard
conversations about the other things so
let me just um ask this question of all
council members you're willing to answer
if we get to the point where we said
like we can um increase the re andur by
half by
50% does that put other council members
in a position where they're willing to
vote for the budget so I think I need to
ask that
question Mr I know you're creating
structural deficits in here that puts
the city on a path to bankruptcy and you
know I can't go for that
okay I not at this point okay
Mr made my point very clear
if what Mr Li
suggested
it's concession on Mr Li side but we
also need to make concession on the on
the other side where we can make some
other additional
reduction and we look at the police and
file over time
to inser of 350 to look at that if we
can reduce that
reduction fun
time
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well we need two vots to get out of
committee not getting out of
committee so I can ask a question so Mr
camia you wouldn't vote on the budget
with the
100% uh fee increases proposed by by the
mayor don't know yet because we wouldn't
have a budget at that point
what do you mean that we if if we
increase I'll look at that when I see
the entire budget oh when you see the
entire budget okay just want to be clear
on what you meant by we wouldn't have a
budget so
um I be I would be willing to go with
that 50% the sore and water but it looks
like this is not going to get out of
committee so Mr uh chair Finance we have
to how would you like like to
proceed since there's an impa I'm
suggesting that we reset don't we have a
special meeting tomorrow yes we do but
we what What will what will change
between today and tomorrow what will
change what would change to bring us
back tomorrow I guess that's what I'm
saying well have made suggestion in
terms of let's r that the u3 fils so
we're not
and let's look at the 2004 that you're
adding into the
budget can we do that now can we do that
now I don't know nobody answered here
nobody made a suggestion where is the
other side I mean a concession was made
by Mr Williams what are you suggest what
are you suggesting as concessions that's
what they suggested I'll make a
suggestion you cut the uh salary
increase the council and also cut the uh
health insurance benefit for the C
council members that's I believe the
only part-time positions in the city to
actually get health insurance and I
think that would
be
$85,000 how much of a difference would
that make towards we're looking to start
you want concessions so there you go so
with that you vote to support this side
committee that's just the
beginning
I mean if
that's we're talking $85,000 cup and you
want to use that and put it in a line
towards uh a deficit reduction I'll be
happy with
that we need many more 84,000 well Mr
William asked me what I
was so I would be okay with
that one thing would there be anything
else I think we could probably cut a
position or
so and the clerk's office then I would
say if we're going to revisit the
positions then I would say be returning
to M suggestion of revisiting all of
them which I'm truly not trying to do
you asked me I just offering
suggestions then I would say have two
council members on the uh committee
would like to revisit the positions then
revisit the
positions so let's if if that's going to
happen I'm not sure it's going to happen
tonight or not let's talk about what is
the gap that we need to
fill you don't know you have no
idea cuz we we really need to I thought
we were that we're
not well if you're willing to move
forward with the increases in the water
and the sewage and cutting the uh salary
increase in the the health insurance I
would be support
that cuz that was what you were getting
to so I will support that can you repeat
that
again getting R of the council salary
increases as well as cutting the health
insurance benefits for council
members for what's that I would have a
hard time um cutting the health
insurance for City Council Members I'd
be happy to C cut the salary increase
for council
members
so we're still at like there's a major
Gap if we're you know if if we even that
that's just done the fun so we really
need to if we're seriously talking about
making some adjustments here we have to
seriously look at places that's going to
really make a difference and we can get
to a place where we can get a a budget
pass so um Mr M um you know you are the
chair Finance
so leaving this in your hands but you
know we all if we all have to I think
provide input and what we're we're
willing to um make movement and um
sometimes they're not going to
everybody's not going to get everything
that they want and I'm certainly not
necessarily in favor of just passing the
budget that the may put forward um I
don't think that's ever happened since
I've been on the council where the
budget just been moved forward we've
made decreases we've made um reductions
before and and we're still standing so I
think we have the serious to look and
see where people are willing
to look at making either reductions or
agreeing that they will
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um other Cuts have been made and so
therefore people who are standing firm
um look at there have been concessions
made and are just not standing with 100%
what the the budget that the mayor's
been forward respect that that's the
mayor's responsibility but also respect
that it's our responsibility to review
it
so I'm happy to go back over the
positions I mean the thing that I really
don't want to see happen is the police
and fire over
time well based on what the decreases that the that other folks
on the council are suggesting those are
the two things that I'm very concerned
about that's part sorry sorry that is
part of my concession in terms of U
let's revisit the um 2023 highight and
2024 new fill and whatever savings we
get there we can push it back towards
the police and I didn't hear you say
that I made that very clear here because
at this point in
time there's no reason for us to roll
these position over fund them we're
having a hard time F them and then
adding more into 2024 I'm sorry I didn't
hear you say that and then look at the
savings from that and then push it back
fight so some of us I mean Mr Willams
are making concession we're making
concession we all need to come together
as one it's hard we cannot just dig our
heels in a sand and say well the budget
is okay may position May has a right to
present his budget and he has a right to
say he doesn't want any c if you were
the mayor or I'm the mayor I would do
the same thing my budget is good and for
it is our responsibility to the taxpayer
to look out for their best
interest and that is our job here as
seven of us here we need to do
that and if we sit here and we can't out
for them what is the purpose of us being
here I'm waiting for us to to revisit
the the updated um sheet for the 20 23
vacancies and to also look at the 2024
um new fills that are being proposed we
can go through it today we can go
through it tomorrow I have no is to with
that go ahead please no this is actually
the most talking we've done so i' say
stay uh definitely uh I appreciate the comments from both both parts I just
want to get some clarity is that is that
an addition to the proposed Water and
Sewer increases or you talking about in
replacement of
those well we we can address it side by
side and look at it okay and narrow
it so at this point time you're not
necessarily against um only 50% or so
you just want to look at everything in
this entirety yes both water 50% that Mr
William suggested and let's look at some
session on the vacancies and new fills
and then we'll look at it side by side
and see where we are okay and if I can
support that 50% or maybe I suggest a
little
more I'm happy to keep
going this
evening and look at
that
so everyone has all if you want to
there was an updated sheet on on the on
the fil vacancies yeah
2024 I think it's these three
pieces do everybody have
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it
so miss mik who's going to make copies
for anyone that doesn't have them
right we have this up data because we
had remove a few I think we just removed
the ips3 for
it I
think equipment operator was also
removed was on the moo equipment oh yes
M Equipment Operator mechanic one
is
I
think right to there one that was
removed REM two two removed I think
you're right that
motor
M motor equipment operator
mechanic3 that's what the may suggest um
and then then that that means we'd have
to put back in the
$888,000 um position as I recall right
no that isn't that one that's taking the
that one is taking the place of two
right I mean that guy 7110
yes so we never heard from Mr Von where
that position where that gentleman was
with did we have revise the
she we're all
done is there any way we can um look at
this updated um sheet here and Revis
these
two
she she we
sent
anyone else need a copy need a
copy
the
may you C you have an
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exra
for
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right
okay
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yes yellow highl yellow
so please so just to get the discussion
started she with high yellow so the ones
when highlighted yellow that the mayor
has already taken out and um then in
addition to that there was the ips3 that
was removed during our last discussion
so after that then the only things
that's left are the ones that that I
just I didn't mention it's just like
just a few positions by friendly
so
and the give buttons coordinat is a is a
grant funded so we're not even
discussing
the position
Main
so the other positions come to over a
million
dollars about to the this one the last
one um sure I think we discussed it
already um the last two Rose the L
inspector risk
assessor um we were under the impression
that that person was originally going to
for next year going to train um C's
Department in um land inspection but
that is not the case um so or put in
that position back to um un position um
at
000 we
already I guess just to get the ball
rolling there was the a lot of
discussion around motor equipment
operator mechanic 1 position that if I
can remember correctly was the
individual working predominantly in the
night shift based on Mr Nan's position
of any uh Productions and Staffing being
returned to the police overtime budget
would you support removing that position
and re Reign those can you tell me which
one you're talking about I'm sorry is it
you can mention extension is
8161
85132 motor equip
me one
mhm um what would be the cost to the in
other words that's the one that um would
save us money on garages I think
but is that's the
overnight 11 or
something
ties this
just yeah looking at these outside
garage expenses of
$62,400 so I know that the position
wouldn't be able to fix everything on
this list but it would I think
definitely save us some money in outside
repairs so are you are you suggesting
that we reduce the fees of service for
garage ref no no no the position there
of be in favor of keeping that position
right but if you're if you're talking
about reducing that 612,000 then we
would have to reduce it somewhere in the
budget if you're because that's what you
said that that would replace us spending
some of that money right just some of
the uh the fleet manager
position yeah oh you what you're talking
about we're talking about mechanic oh
all right I'm sorry 5132 I think okay
the other one yeah
532 I thought the Sleep manager
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sorry that garage thing broken down
by you know what kinds of repairs it is
no
just so kind
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of so on that line there so the motor
vehicle repair is um in the 2023 budget
was
$5,000 and so in the
24 it
is so because you're saying that we
would should reduce that line in order
to keep the mechanic position is what I
understood you to
say no M Mr CH she said we should ruce
that's 6 no I I thought we were still
talking about the position of the fet
manager okay which was already removed
from the budget I'm sorry okay no which
from the the motor equipment guy is the
one that would work over oh after hours
right so some of these costs would be
reduced by that
individual right okay so then I was
talking about the the overnight
gentleman who was getting the right so the question is are we then ring some
of the Fe for services on that long
since we're our our expectation is that
we have this gentleman so we would not
need those outside garages so are you
suggesting that we remove some of the
fees for services on
5132 well I think we should would be
able to remove some of them yes I don't
know what again it's just who we paid
not what we paid
for and that will lead to the question
how much of savings by hiring this
position how much of the savings are we
going to get that's why I to attract
that line and then we can able to
address
that I have a a question with all
respect are you in terms of police and
fire are you zero in on zero reduction
because the goal is if we were to say
okay if you zing and you will vote for
the support budget 350 700,000 if we
were to look at savings for
$700,000 and we push those line back out
would you support them because we need
an end game here because we don't want
to go fishing and say well we're looking
at the reduction ACH be 777000 is what
we need to find so that's what we need
to look at here yes and that will be the
end goal if that's the case I will
support this budget with the 50% for the feed that adjusted by U you're
saying you'd put back in the police and
fire look at the VY if we can CL back
some of the vacancies and the new hire
put it back into
police yes would you support that my
that the police and fire are my priority
so yes I if we to if we can get $770,000
yes back I don't know how we're going to
do that but well that's what we need to
look at that's what I'm asking to
general question because there need to
be an outcome because we don't want to
go fishing and start reducing position
at the end of the game how how do other
people feel no I asked you because you mentioned it um your position well
that is my priority to be that $770,000
but because it makes no sense us go
start making reduction again on VES a
new field and then your position is
still the same
how do you guys
feel about that what's your priority Mr
M's never answer the question is what is
the end goal with what he's trying to
accomplish with the budget the end go
with the budget well I I st very clear
we I do have I have an objection on
terms of agreeing with Mr William's 50%
increase in water so but if we can go on
the other side now look at the fils and
we can bring back that and we can
address the supp
fire and then we pretty much maybe have
a
budget and you suggesting the only place
we see there is looking at
the yes or any other suggested any other
suggested
reduction I'm open to any other
reduction but those are those are the
one I I focus it on right
but any me any other member has any
suggestion in terms of cost
reduction we can
inter
actually this sheet probably would be to
get updated I believe some of these
positions might have been filled since
we first saw this
sh
Poss yeah that's why I
asked we did make some reduction here
and we did made some
reduction also but they show up on the
that uh they just gave us today but then
it doesn't give us a
dollar so if we were to look at it we
going to have to do calculation Bas each
the
L right to Mr M point it sounds like
we're making headways so if we had that
updated listing of unfill and if our
current trajectory is finding
the 770,000
um that then comes back to uh whether
seate sorry sorry talking L sorry and
considering the 50% increase to what was
it water sewer water and
sewer that sounds like that's that's
information that we need to get to to a
budget that that's voted through did I
accurately capture
that
yes so we need to updated fills
yes so if you can get up the sheet this
will help all of
us because we're going to have to go for
each and every single one some one the
she
back we don't have
do
that's what I
was I believe when we talked about them
some of them were positions that people
were being
ined right think during the course of
our
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discussion
Mr this is so um Mr Guk said that some
of these positions may have been filled
since we started this process and HR
would have run the
report I mean other than these looking
at the these unfill position and a new
proposed position or anything else that
in mind that we should just maybe a
discussion discuss it or we don't have
anything else in mind I don't at the end
goal we need about 3
7787 what do we need
777 77 going with your number 777 and
I'm making a concession because I made
it very clear that I do not
want at the table here sometimes we have
to make concession all of us should
consider
that except for one thing this does
absolutely nothing to address the
deficit
so what are you suggesting let's got
some to address a deficit well you would
have you would have to put the fees in
and I would suggest with some of the
cutting of the positions I have no issue
with some of those yeah let's look
overall let's look at it I mean we could
just look at them we could clerical Aid
I have no issue taking out program
director both of those weren't in the
budget to begin with the deputy register
and the city clerk I have no issue
taking out matter of fact I would city
clerk that's what it says here the
deputy register Deputy register in the
city clerk's office oh okay I thought
you said just Play City cler and but
that's the first two already removed and
the third one somebody's being moved
into that no they were put back in
I thought they were I thought they were
in the budget no they weren't in the
budget they were put back in yeah yeah no no no uh I don't think we ever
agreed to put those second that was my
understanding no we never
the we hard from um Mr Gardner on HR
there were no movements on
that I do have a question so those the
only two
that go ahead please so but my
understanding though and um this
question is for the mayor is that did
someone actually interview for one of
these
positions I'm sorry you said for the
okay so we're talking about um either
the clerical Aid or the program
coordinator in the affirmative action
office um my understanding that somebody
actually interviewed for those one of
those
positions and so I guess we need to
really have a discussion is whether we
need to leave one of those positions in
the budget as we're having this
discussion right it's not there hiring
but I haven't made any decision on
hiring we have
interview so you say it's not there
you're not hiring well if the position
if you abolish the position I'm not
going to hire somebody so which position
did you hire did you excuse me interview
for we actually had candidates for both
those positions been locked out okay but
you're you're you're not funding them
into 2024 your proposed budget right
those are out so so if if if you are
interviewing for them in 2023 you're not
we had interviewed but they're not in
the budget
okay interview one person they accepted
job they never show up yeah my
understand there was a recent interview
recent I did not hear about a recent
interview yes okay there was a recent
interview since we started the budget
process so so they're already out anyway
oh should people saying if the proposal
is to not fund it in the in the proposed
budget and why are we interviewing
because sometimes we interview for other
departments that are open too who's the
person it was specifically for that have
no idea I'm just saying for other other
jobs what we do is we interview and then
we try to place them in a department has
an
open
so those two
are yeah the first two the first two in
the budget and may didn't propos to fund
it4 we so just we keep it the same
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way and the de it's it says that
someone's going to be moving into that
position so I don't say we abolish it
that person currently works for the
city M Michael can you update us on
that what is the position in terms of he
says will be moved to this position
final line please so the ips3 position
um should be taking a promotion into the
deputy register our
position
so is the ips3 position then thus open
that will be that's in your office
yeah how many IPS you have overall in
this
apartment one ips3 two clerical
a and you also have a deputy Deputy city
clerk
yes
since this person has been mov toi there
if we were to say if I'm just using
this not from the IPS what impact would
that have in your
office just processing
times processing times fing
just
everything where we've
gotten more work than we've ever had
before we've had um now zoning uh
applications put in we now have the
ethics uh meetings there to
determinations all their decisions
uh there's just added you
know added workload to our
office
and this is serving the public so let's
just be clear about that and
additionally we're going to be
um updating our dog licensing program so
that it's online it currently we're
entering everything twice one into the
old system and into now into the new
system for
testing so it's just slowing everything
down
and a clerical Aid parttime position
code
enforcement on and off with
that this morning did so there were two
we said we were the um suggestion no no no the line before just the one so
you've hired someone today perfect
so that's not B we did remove one of the
Court enforcement officer from our prior
discussion so there still
two vacant though
right just one just one because we one
position the supervisor is still um
vacant
the Community Development
supervisor looks like it's still
vacant Community Development supervisor
that's still again that's 100%
funded
the next one is a
planner this position is on and off fil
and
vacant this this the city planner's
office
so I I don't I don't necessarily think
that we should remove that one planning
is a huge part of what we do so think we
should
really consider leaving that there if at
all
possible any other question on
that the next one is assistant to the
city engineer I think we did remove that
I think so too yes that's already out
right just want to remind you keep Mr
keep keep saying that we don't know any
fills that have been through HR yeah
we're just going through okay
discussion we making
not I'm Finance team is making notes
also civil engineer I think we moov that
back if we were proposing to move that
into Pizza service but be keeping
that IPS 3 engineering
department I think they interviewed
somebody today
Chris
W all
right they really need somebody over
there the junior civil engineer I think
we put that
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back it's removed it's removed it's
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removed oh yeah that was already moved
before got the budget that wasn't there
so that really should not even be on the
sheet it not even
there when we got the
budget and the next one is a senior
engineering
technician is
that as well
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okay so we can verify that I mean after
we through this we making not
on upd the sheet in terms of Who U Got A
we last discussed this HR assistant I
think that was removed from the24
budget the payroll audit we're waiting
for test
results CS that's the civil service test
result we talk about taking
test assistant to the Corporation
Council we did remove move one position
correct the IP Innovation and
performance specialist that
is
vacant on and
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off go ahead please so so just um I know
that the mayor that there I saw a job
announcement for so are you are you
trying to fill that position currently
we
are so can I ask not having that how
does it impact your
office go back had trouble filling it
had people in it when you look at the
reports that were done
before you know it's a specific
expertise in some of the software was
improving the overall efficiency in the
city it's how do you get departments to
work together and how do you
get those data point so we can see what
the trends are and I would ask you to
leave that
in okay thank
you director of
Sol we
that no there's no
you said I was removed for sure we'll
make not and verify
that's that was oh yeah it was removed
that was the one comb the jobs they got
rid of
that
combine oh got you and what was it and
so Street manager Street manager
oh that one kind already
okay the mom streets we did remove one
of them corre and they
are three
vacancies on
that
is fed by ARA and one
from so um my point on that is that the
ones that are funded by arpa eventually
we're not going to have arpa fund so um
I know we talked about one I don't know
if anybody heard from anyone regarding
that so um I know streets is like
probably place where we we need every
position so the streets is like snow
with our trash removal so
um I'm suggest me think that through if
we can get to the number we need to get
to are
you put back to one position I'm
suggesting we that we keep um
three because we already removed one I
understand that um so and I would like
to know the in Total Staffing in that
department
too I know that he can't say that right
now but no can you ask the question yes
get that you
tomorrow moving on the next one is a
seasonal um labor
loader best deal we
have yeah look like the best
we because we because we don't get
because what know because know they able
to come in they get to work you they
have abilities to get their permit for
CDL if they want we teach them and you
know if if they're really good we keep
mind if they're not good we lay them
off
any okay Property Management
car he's already out he's out that's out
already okay let's move on the Water Fun
APS
that is filled and Vac just want remind
you water s fun you can't use that money
for police
I
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so
only help
water we have the water maintenance
worker I think
um if we not
cut it's not
on that's general f oh that's
right we did
too
someone I don't have that I don't have
that
you put it back
in put it back in V to put back in water
think that
was water taken
anybody that was a
compromise to put to keep four or to put
back keep four was a compromise yes I
remember oh we
okay well for all looking everything
here at this point in
time the next one is a senior operator
water ping that's one
position
and the next one is a water treatment
plan in inal
in that is a half a position yeah the
other half is the other half
is going so the first position the not
here is this position
itself and then the waste water mechanic
there two position
here W water treatment plant operator
that is
f the other one the training is removed
we took that out you took it out no that
was REM from
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the we did still one they have from
above and then we have the SE
maintenance work they have two
vacancies
says looks like
they're
filled I don't know it says vacant then
filled again so it says filled right now
in
2023
they're filled in
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2023 we can then move on to the sheet
this one and just go through
and what initially remove and discussion
on
the that's the 24 uh new
positions initially we had removed the
ips3 for it and the M equipment mechanic
is that correct
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MH all the others the CD admin assistant
and the lead inspector those are all
funded through
grants so keep those
out
so I don't think there's I'm not really
sure what's left not much it doesn't
look like
there don't you have the the ips3 for
Utilities in the IT
specialist
the can the other one give a f that's a
grant also
yes
please me ask let make a littleit not I
just I just want to comment though on
the um the ips3 and the IT department
we've already had discussions that are
um
that uh the head of the department who
does a lot of it well that does the
signal is going to be leaving and so a
lot of the work that he's currently
doing still going to need people in
place and some of those Duties are going
to be dispersed so um I think I would
caution against moving too much out of
the it
area we did you mean the
utilities you mean the utilities one I
think right I don't yeah I don't think
we should do
that but he also said it specialist and
again some of those duties is As I
understood um signal superintendent to
say that some of the duties that he's
currently doing will be dispersed among
some of these position
so the next one
um this
m we have two
there
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for the par
yes
ex so we don't know at this point in
time
what what position has been
F from our so
now
are there any other
suggested changes done these so we
discuss
here
I don't have any other suggestions I
mean so we have to know a report from HR
like what has been filled in the metime
and also what we just discussed what
that dollar amount eques
to I know Miss Patrick said that she
would support the budget we made those
um concessions in favor of getting up
the full ask for both the police and
fire um s Toro are you how would you
weigh in on
that
um i' like to see the numbers first I
want to know I I'm just going over those
lines I I can't see much that we're
going to cut
777000 in fills so I really want to
see get that that will give us a salary
and plus the benefits benefits so there
will be a higher number side by side
so Mr far can we have sheet regard
to completely remove completely remove
what we had initially
removed and look at remaining and as you
can see there's hardly
any remaining
I'm it's
coming uh I have no problem I get it to
you as soon as I can
tomorrow
um is it possible for you to email this
so rather than us sh on f i I would
rather do that tell you the truth email
it to us sure so that we have all of us
have a time to R it prior to us at
5:30 okay we do a first thing in the
morning we'll get it out try to get out
soon as
possible there's no no way to think
about instead of
a150 increase in the waste to 75 cents
cut that in half from 1.7 to 800
something thousand you get the you get
the uh uh the overtime for uh Mrs
Patrick and then you have a you can
reduce uh you can reduce uh uh fund
balance by the other 100,000 for Mr
uh me
so we're
reducing uh you know the two big things
that we're looking
at oh so you want us to go revisit the
waight is that what you're saying thr it
out there fing against Mr mood variance
point that again
is one individual making concessions and
another individual saying I want to full
ask not going to mention it again
water and sword that that is that is
that was water and sword this is general
I'm just trying to just trying to help
you guys along that's all I appreciate
that I'm looking at these uh numbers for
these jobs just they're not adding up
there nothing going to be enough is that
what you said doesn't seem to me I mean
dere what you
think see tomorrow
morning
unless uh any other member has any any
other suggested changes other than the
vacancies and new
propos we can so we have it on the table
look at it first tomorrow
morning well there's my suggested Cuts
as well as I think we should cut the uh
expenditures for the um outside
attorneys and I also think can we can we
just yourest Chang property 4K will you
just estim outside attorney pretty close
yeah outside attorneys the
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um extra money for the
cprb I would
reduce extra money that's the uh so send
two people instead of one person I'm
fine with one person
how was that was like 5,000 $3,000 a
person
about just want to
make got rid of the outside
Council I think right we already got rid
of the no for cprb I think we got rid of
the whole thing yeah we did that was
my yeah that was uh on the CPR that that
was removed theide Council m MH that's
correct the only one is available is
under the city council
correct and the department which I don't
suggest we touch it
on
depart which you talking talking about
the 25k that we put it last year and we
15,000 correct to this year under the
city council we remove the cprb
completely out5 and reduce the other one
by 10
city council
yes city council correct
yes make so we're not going back and for
here but you're saying CPR $5,000
move so just that
okay I I don't I don't support that I
think that work is important and that
they they are not compensated some
boards are that we have so the
opportunity do training so that they
could do to the best ability I don't um
feel like one person necessarily should
be have only have the opportunity to go
so I don't support that like I said we
pay other boards for a lot less time and
this board isn't paid at all this is
just something to improve their skill
set to serve the
city so um and I just wanted to also
just rais the question are we keeping
the mechanic one
position that position which P am on on
yeah just okay so it's um a
5132 it was the motor operator that the
overnight
position that we had
discussed
it's up for
discussion
$5,000
benefit I I made my position clear but
Mr umon said that we really need it so
if we're going to do that then um to
missor suggest I guess we should look at
the fees for services fees for Serv
because this is supposed to save us
money well it's also designed to improve
the efficiency so that we're doing
maintenance work on
vehicles off the 8:4 9 to5 schedule so
that the vehicles are ready to go the
following morning as opposed to having
them take it out of
circulation during the day when people
would want to use it so are you saying
there will be no we don't expect to see
any savings by having this
position
there where you have an oil
change you still have to have the oil
change if you do it 9 to5 you take the
card out of circulation so we can't use
it if you do it 3 to 11 or whatever that
time frame is you can have the vehicle
back in service
the following
morning now some of those hopefully we
would pick up some savings but you're
still going to have to pay for an oil
change you're still going to have to do
some of that work and you have to ask
Paul specifically what we think some of
those incremental savings could be but
just we're looking for operational
efficiency is the big thing in that
position so I'm yeah I'm clear on that I
just want to know if if we're having
this position position for our
operational efficiency and we're sending
some of these cars out now to do some of
the work this individual would be
assigned to do so we on our fees for
service lines is a reasonable amount to
um to see if we can get those
savings but miss my point we're going to
still have to when we send the car out
we pay for the oil change outside I'm
saying we do the oil change inous M
we're not necessarily saving money like
that
well according to Mr fa because we have
to transport the car somebody's time all
that
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so I understand what you're that's a
savings of work not Savings of money so
instead of sending two people to
specifically what to the dealership to
get the oil changed you do it here those
two individuals can now stay working
well there if we're if we're having some
of the overnight doing some of this work
I it's hard for me to understand why
we're not having some savings if this
person is doing additional work that
we're now sending out it just doesn't
make sense that right so ask Paul
anticipate
SCH so can we have that question until
Paul
please
oh oh I forgot what to
do
any other
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suggest and just to add more rep that is
on page
36 just for for us to you
know clarity
a 5132
462 that line is budget last year for
950
95,000 and they asked um for 2024 is
999,000 so it's actually going
up it's cting
materials no I just I just want to
highlight that
all
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what was the
number oh page
36 last year 999,000 was um in the
adoped budget I got it thank you and
2024 proposed was
990,000
o
so I think it's worth noting we're
moveing to an apparent recess it's
getting the accurate listing of unfilled
but viewing those compared to the
significance police and fire not getting
their full overtime ask so that's the
conversation that we're trying to
answer so I know that every department
has a need but based on Mr Toro's Excuse
Me Miss Patrick I apologize Miss
Patrick's comments um that is one of her
Strunk on so I that is what we're
looking to answer tomorrow I think I'm
the only person though that said that so
not everybody actually has uh weigh in
on the Police Empire except
for well I'm waai in but not in terms of
like fully funding um so I you know I I
point out that we
have we there's been a lot of um funding
that we've given toward towards the
police department throughout the year
throughout the years and whenever we um
give additional funding it's always been
that this is going to help us reduce our
overtime that is always what our
understanding is uh I I can tell you
this because if we put sro's in the
school and that was a major ask and do
we now begin to look at whether um
having SRO and schools is is what we
should be doing or should be putting
officers back on the street given the
fact that the school has a safety
team so I think even the school district
has said that the SR have been very very
important to have a school also think
they give us money for they're pay
they're paying for those yeah they pay
for the but the fact is we're talking
about there's like n enough officers on
the street so approaching it from that
perspective School District generates
enough calls to support those officers
so good we put them out on the street
it's only on paper because they're going
to be responding to calls that are
originating from the schools we have to
look at every aspect of how we're
utilizing our
Workforce my stance has been very clear
on the police over time and overtime
budget since the
beginning so don't need to say the other
thing we have to consider is if we once
all these amounts are calculated if we
still don't get to to fully fun
um both police and fire overtime then
you know we should be figuring about how
we're going to figure that out so that
needs to be something to think about we
don't know the numbers yet but it may
not be the number that we
need understand but we should also look
at fees for service I'm just suggesting
Stu I'm not saying
that we should look at that as a body
here since we have already looked at the
VES new proposal why the suggestion on
my side is to look at the fees of
service and to achieve what we set up to
achieve here
because I think in doing that we should
definitely be looking at the year-to DAT
as well so that we're you know we you
haven't specified the department but if
we're going to be looking at fees for
service I think for each department that
we look at that we should also look at
their year-to dat
stance is that a separate report can we
pull for that yeah we're going to
till as of tomorrow actual as of today
as of
today 30 60 days by the time
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us and we can look at that and then look
at the savings on these there after you
provide us the report on the vaces on
the
any other suggestion that we can give
to so they can bring some numbers back
to us look at
it it's not it's not that you're you're
making sub to cut it's not bringing it
to table so that we can look at it on a
broader scale and see if we can get some
more because the end of the day whatever
we save will help
um two
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departments and I'm willing to do
that I'm not going to take my
Ang here to make a session and follow I
encourage all of us to do this thing
please look over the budget this evening
when you go
home I know I know it's painful
so there's I don't think there's nothing
else we can do at this point in time um
we have um takeaways from here for Mr
and his team to work on for us tomorrow
please email that to
us
dates can I thr some suggestions job
still it it is your job and your
responsibility and if you can get that
email to us so we will have we will look
at it ahead of time try to get before
the afternoon actually and I encourage
every memb to please check your email
look at it come back with your
suggestion and let's um see where we are
and we're here tomorrow 5 I think right
yes we already called for that meeting
smart the morning
think
for
we didn't update the revenue from the school district with regard to
police take yeah I don't think we update
that that was
Clos I think we got last year and I
think we got two quarters of this year
yes we didn't get the third quarter
there's a facil increase in 2020 2% 2%
yeah and then actually year it's three
two three okay but you know like I say
it's not 100% those guys they only get
forgot how much is per person they get
you want it's not I'm saying that the portion of uh benefits they don't
get
just the SS the SS schools yeah yeah we
need to yeah we should we should revisit
those
contracts
right yeah was any more time here I
think so we'll recess until tomorrow um
5:00
p.m. and anticipating and you're going
to have all those information to us try
to get to as much as you can and
appreciate it so motion to recess until
tomorrow 5:00
p.m.
second all in favor
I so I don't need to call the meeting
for order because we already have a
scheduled special meeting for
tomorrow
what I
wanted
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