1 00:00:06,319 --> 00:00:09,000 did you happen to check mailbox in the B 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:10,120 office 3 00:00:10,120 --> 00:00:12,480 on oh 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:17,439 okay this is updated I I did print that 5 00:00:17,439 --> 00:00:19,280 vac job this is updated 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:20,480 [Music] 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,320 version since this morning yeah they 8 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:28,950 hired two people this 9 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,920 today 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:33,239 on it's 11 00:00:33,239 --> 00:00:35,800 5:00 call the meeting for should I go in 12 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:37,920 the office 13 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,600 everybody yeah it's 5 o' thank you if 14 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,150 you don't 15 00:00:43,160 --> 00:00:46,460 mind 5 o' 16 00:00:46,460 --> 00:00:53,069 [Music] 17 00:00:53,079 --> 00:00:58,910 somewhere you need a 18 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,470 drink 19 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,960 from the one I sent you 20 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:13,560 today oh kind words 21 00:01:13,570 --> 00:01:16,360 [Music] 22 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,520 okay figure 23 00:01:20,530 --> 00:01:24,190 [Music] 24 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,050 out is 25 00:01:27,050 --> 00:01:28,840 [Music] 26 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,920 your 27 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,040 I'd like to call to order con C Council 28 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:33,920 committee 29 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,399 meeting uh excuse me yes committee 30 00:01:36,399 --> 00:01:37,399 meeting 31 00:01:37,399 --> 00:01:39,680 for what is today 32 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:44,240 when November 1st 2023 um before we call 33 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,240 the commit to order um Mr M is going to 34 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,439 be absent tonight so Mr Cen will explain 35 00:01:50,439 --> 00:01:52,240 to us the 36 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:56,240 process thank you um obviously Mr M the 37 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,479 chairperson of the finance committee um 38 00:01:58,479 --> 00:02:00,439 we have two members president from the 39 00:02:00,439 --> 00:02:03,680 finance committee um city council 40 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,119 follows Robert's Rules of Order um 41 00:02:06,119 --> 00:02:08,160 there's no provision about who and our 42 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,560 to who would be the chair tonight uh in 43 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,280 mr's absence as the chairman Pro Temp um 44 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:16,840 therefore Roberts 45 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,120 rules um essentially if the regular 46 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:24,080 chairperson is not here um some other 47 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:28,879 member of the committee uh should call 48 00:02:28,879 --> 00:02:32,040 that committee to order uh and then a 49 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,440 chairman program must be elected between 50 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,120 the people who are in that committee and 51 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,280 it has to be done by majority vote which 52 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:45,350 means because we want have 53 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,120 two so I just point I'd like to ask Mr 54 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:49,879 Williams to call the finance committee 55 00:02:49,879 --> 00:02:52,070 to 56 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,200 order all right so like to call finance 57 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,400 committee to order before us we have uh 58 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,760 a series of information impa let's first 59 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,599 s of businesses that you have to uh 60 00:03:01,599 --> 00:03:03,280 elect 61 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:15,830 a yes sh between I don't care go ahead 62 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,239 okay so before us we have a number of 63 00:03:18,239 --> 00:03:20,440 documents uh that I'm just going to ask 64 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:25,400 uh Mr ferari to give us a of M and make 65 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,519 sure everyone does have a copy of that 66 00:03:28,519 --> 00:03:32,560 speak I yeah had set out to you on your 67 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,239 front of you the vacant job list this is 68 00:03:35,239 --> 00:03:38,560 actually as of 4:00 today uh the 69 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,120 difference is updated because the 70 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:41,760 difference is excuse me can I interrupt 71 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:43,239 you you should already have that from Mr 72 00:03:43,239 --> 00:03:45,879 Ferrari do you have Miss yes pck yeah I 73 00:03:45,879 --> 00:03:48,360 put a I gave I gave it directly to her 74 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,280 okay this one yep you updated list uh 75 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,239 and there's two positions uh that were 76 00:03:54,239 --> 00:03:57,439 fil actually today so that's why we 77 00:03:57,439 --> 00:04:00,760 did I did updated 78 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,799 uh the second the other piece of paper 79 00:04:03,799 --> 00:04:05,760 we have is 80 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:14,040 U is Mr ver had requested the U the the 81 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:18,220 budget amounts for uh Fe for 82 00:04:18,220 --> 00:04:19,519 [Music] 83 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:23,680 services uh two the pieces that John 84 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:28,720 there asked for was a for services of 85 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:34,120 the uh appropriation of 2023 comp 86 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,199 2024 proposed budget and he wanted to 87 00:04:37,199 --> 00:04:40,479 see the uh percent change uh in regards 88 00:04:40,479 --> 00:04:44,840 to that and for the general water sewer 89 00:04:44,840 --> 00:04:48,639 and golf funds um if you look at the uh 90 00:04:48,639 --> 00:04:51,039 general fund you'll notice that the 91 00:04:51,039 --> 00:04:53,479 total fees for service throughout all 92 00:04:53,479 --> 00:04:59,160 departments is actually uh netive 4% 4% 93 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,310 decrease 94 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,560 um the water is a 10% 95 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,120 increase uh the two fund is 0% increase 96 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,360 in uh F of services and the golf fund is 97 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,280 a 30% 98 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:16,280 decrease the 99 00:05:16,280 --> 00:05:21,479 other question uh John had was the mag 100 00:05:21,479 --> 00:05:23,960 positions he asked the request of all 101 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,360 positions um within City within city 102 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:32,479 conect um ested to see the 2023 adopted 103 00:05:32,479 --> 00:05:38,039 budget the bills the 2024 prop bills um 104 00:05:38,039 --> 00:05:41,759 the proposed budget salaries uh and the 105 00:05:41,759 --> 00:05:44,560 percent increase or decrease associated 106 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:50,250 with each position within the 107 00:05:50,260 --> 00:05:53,280 [Music] 108 00:05:53,280 --> 00:05:55,840 city so there's three pieces of paper 109 00:05:55,840 --> 00:05:57,560 that we just you have everything three 110 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,600 pieces you have three sheets this side 111 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,919 one long oh no I only have I have two 112 00:06:02,919 --> 00:06:05,840 this size and one this size 113 00:06:05,840 --> 00:06:09,599 might no that's what I 114 00:06:09,599 --> 00:06:15,530 already should have three this oh I got 115 00:06:15,540 --> 00:06:27,270 [Music] 116 00:06:27,280 --> 00:06:29,780 it I 117 00:06:29,780 --> 00:06:33,880 [Music] 118 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:34,919 all 119 00:06:34,919 --> 00:06:38,520 right so based on our conversation and 120 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,840 how was left last night uh the premise 121 00:06:40,840 --> 00:06:42,880 was that we would evaluate current 122 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,919 vacancies in addition to Mr mutar 123 00:06:45,919 --> 00:06:49,479 suggestion of um reviewing the fees fees 124 00:06:49,479 --> 00:06:50,479 for 125 00:06:50,479 --> 00:06:53,520 service and identifying some uh 126 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,240 additional dollars to transfer to the 127 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,599 overtime lines for the police inire so 128 00:06:59,599 --> 00:07:01,840 at this time I'd like to open the floor 129 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:03,560 to council members they have any 130 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,120 suggestions or recommendations based on 131 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,230 that 132 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,240 information Mr prefer to oh so thank you 133 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,240 so I just as at the end of our last 134 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,000 meeting my understanding was there was 135 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,360 we needed to get to the number of 136 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,280 777000 in order to make that happen and 137 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:24,120 So based on what was um what Mr M had 138 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,319 requested and just to be clear we're not 139 00:07:26,319 --> 00:07:27,840 talking about management positions at 140 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,000 all here we're simply talking about the 141 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:35,919 vacancies and Fe of service um those items are what we're talking about 142 00:07:35,919 --> 00:07:37,120 so 143 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,680 um that was how we left it last night 144 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,319 and one of the thing one of the 145 00:07:42,319 --> 00:07:44,479 agreements my understanding is that Miss 146 00:07:44,479 --> 00:07:46,840 Patrick want to make sure that we um 147 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,840 make our police no time lines whole and 148 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:52,800 um we're trying to talk about how we get 149 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,039 there um by taking out some of the 150 00:07:56,039 --> 00:07:58,280 positions which we have gone through we 151 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,120 have the information in front of us that 152 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,440 does not include the 153 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,879 fringes but it's um so they calculate 154 00:08:05,879 --> 00:08:08,520 the fringes we talk about that um I 155 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,520 think that's that's probably it but the 156 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,440 mayor did have his hand up oh Mr Mayor 157 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,759 thank you Mr chairman just want to go 158 00:08:15,759 --> 00:08:19,599 over the uh budget process a little bit 159 00:08:19,599 --> 00:08:21,840 and again I'm not quite sure what you're 160 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:26,400 trying to do start the budget process in 161 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:30,840 May and June where uh department 162 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,479 head to start preparing the next year's 163 00:08:33,479 --> 00:08:35,640 budget working with the finance 164 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,680 department they start to 165 00:08:37,680 --> 00:08:39,880 assemble uh what's happening within 166 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,519 their Department what they'd like to 167 00:08:42,519 --> 00:08:47,040 do every line item in that budget is 168 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,600 gone over three and four 169 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,600 times before it goes into the final 170 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,160 graft now I've sat in all the positions 171 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,720 that you hold and this is my 22nd budget 172 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,839 so I understand sometimes their 173 00:09:04,839 --> 00:09:06,560 skepticism sometimes you think 174 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:08,399 department heads might be trying to pull 175 00:09:08,399 --> 00:09:10,440 something over on 176 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:15,200 you I will tell you that every line in 177 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:19,200 that budget I can support the 178 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,320 assumptions that are made now that does 179 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:23,839 not mean that some of those things that 180 00:09:23,839 --> 00:09:27,959 we started in June or July that they 181 00:09:27,959 --> 00:09:29,720 haven't changed 182 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,279 now and if the council's reviewing those 183 00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:35,680 and those assumptions are incorrect 184 00:09:35,680 --> 00:09:37,320 things have changed where there might be 185 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,360 better savings there might be increased 186 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,720 expenses I would expect the council to 187 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:43,720 take that into consideration in terms of 188 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:44,640 your 189 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,360 deliberations but you came in here you 190 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,200 took uh $1.1 million out of Public 191 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,240 Safety wasn't happy with it didn't quite 192 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:55,920 understand the logic behind 193 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,120 it 194 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,760 uh you've now gone through again I'll 195 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,920 call it an interesting 196 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,360 process now you're putting the $1.1 197 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,600 million in and are looking to remove 198 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,399 other positions 199 00:10:11,399 --> 00:10:14,240 that I really feel are important I don't 200 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,880 mind going through line by line if some 201 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,680 the department heads here to look at 202 00:10:19,680 --> 00:10:23,200 those in terms of what the expectations 203 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,720 are if we fill those positions what our 204 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,519 goal is as we all know recruitment now 205 00:10:28,519 --> 00:10:29,720 is 206 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,760 uh somewhat of an issue so it's finding 207 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:33,480 people with the right skill set to bring 208 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,000 in to the slot so that we can deliver 209 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,200 the services people the city need want 210 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,190 and 211 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,399 deserve 212 00:10:44,399 --> 00:10:49,639 but just to to gut those is a mistake 213 00:10:49,639 --> 00:10:51,320 and it will hinder my ability and the 214 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,560 department heads to manage the city and 215 00:10:53,560 --> 00:10:57,200 deliver the services that we need and 216 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,360 again if you tell me what your goal is 217 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,000 if you want to cut Public 218 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,360 Safety let me go back to the department 219 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,800 heads and say this is the number the 220 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,959 counsel wants out of there and we'll 221 00:11:09,959 --> 00:11:12,399 manage that if you want to do stuff in 222 00:11:12,399 --> 00:11:14,320 office of General Services tell me what 223 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,720 your dollar figure is because you're not 224 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,519 going through the line by line and 225 00:11:20,519 --> 00:11:22,120 having the department heads bring up the 226 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,440 assumptions that we've used to come up 227 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:28,200 with that dollar figure so I want to 228 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,240 work with you but I don't want to go 229 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,040 down a path here where you're kind of 230 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,680 you shifted everything back made one 231 00:11:35,680 --> 00:11:37,360 decision shifting everything back and 232 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,800 now you're going to take another 233 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:41,560 position that seems to be what the trend 234 00:11:41,560 --> 00:11:44,720 is that I really think would be an 235 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,279 adverse uh State for the city and hinder 236 00:11:48,279 --> 00:11:50,880 my ability uh in department heads to 237 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,720 manage the city going 238 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,920 forward Miss Patrick um I think that 239 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:58,320 working on the budget is the most 240 00:11:58,320 --> 00:11:59,639 important respons responsibility of the 241 00:11:59,639 --> 00:12:01,480 city council I think we all can agree on 242 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,040 that and I think that we certainly have 243 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,160 done a lot of due diligence over the 244 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,440 last several weeks I actually wrote 245 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,320 something up this afternoon after 246 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,079 spending the afternoon contemplating all 247 00:12:11,079 --> 00:12:12,639 that we've heard over these last few 248 00:12:12,639 --> 00:12:15,720 weeks from the mayor our finance team um 249 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,199 and our department heads and all the 250 00:12:17,199 --> 00:12:18,680 answers they have provided to our 251 00:12:18,680 --> 00:12:20,760 questions I believe they have presented 252 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,440 a realistic fair and balanced budget to 253 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,199 continue reiterating the same points 254 00:12:25,199 --> 00:12:27,079 over and over is unnecessary I've 255 00:12:27,079 --> 00:12:28,560 certainly been told that many times by 256 00:12:28,560 --> 00:12:30,320 my colleagues around this table over the 257 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,519 last few weeks however I do want to say 258 00:12:32,519 --> 00:12:34,480 I'm not in favor of cutting into the 259 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:35,680 reserve Fund in a way that will 260 00:12:35,680 --> 00:12:37,519 jeopardize the city's fiscal Health as 261 00:12:37,519 --> 00:12:40,120 was presented to us um by our fiscal 262 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,600 adviser and our finance team I believe 263 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,160 that the increased water sewer and waste 264 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,760 feeds uh fees need to be implemented as 265 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,240 presented the decision last year to not 266 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,040 Implement what was requested worsened 267 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:52,959 our situation this year and we'll 268 00:12:52,959 --> 00:12:55,199 continue to do so next year as we were 269 00:12:55,199 --> 00:12:57,880 also uh told yesterday if we don't put 270 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,040 these requested fees into place we've 271 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,040 made some major investments in improving 272 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:03,800 the water treatment facilities and 273 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:05,639 creating the constructing the new pump 274 00:13:05,639 --> 00:13:08,079 station and we Face increased costs and 275 00:13:08,079 --> 00:13:09,760 finally I think not fully funding what 276 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:11,720 the fire and police Chiefs have 277 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:13,839 requested in overtime puts our resident 278 00:13:13,839 --> 00:13:16,639 safety um at risk and I cannot support 279 00:13:16,639 --> 00:13:19,760 that as I mentioned uh many times um 280 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,120 therefore I'm recommending that we 281 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,000 accept the mayor's budget and I ask that 282 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,880 the finance committee um finalize their 283 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,279 vote so we can move on with our business 284 00:13:29,279 --> 00:13:31,839 thank you and just for clarification 285 00:13:31,839 --> 00:13:34,639 you're canting your comments yesterday 286 00:13:34,639 --> 00:13:37,040 yeah um I I I spent the afternoon really 287 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,480 going back over everything as we 288 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,120 discussed last night that that was what 289 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,639 we needed to do today and I really think 290 00:13:43,639 --> 00:13:46,440 that it is a fair a fe budget as 291 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,519 presented and I'm I'm not going to talk 292 00:13:48,519 --> 00:13:52,000 anymore I don't think tonight thank you 293 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,399 so with regard what mer said we thought 294 00:13:54,399 --> 00:13:56,360 we came to the table when we we were 295 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:57,959 going to put the 2.5 million into the 296 00:13:57,959 --> 00:14:00,519 sewer fun but when we got to the table 297 00:14:00,519 --> 00:14:01,800 that night we were presenting with 298 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,040 information uh from you that that is not 299 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:05,800 something we could so we believed we 300 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:07,199 were at a place where we want to pass 301 00:14:07,199 --> 00:14:09,680 that budget however we were not able to 302 00:14:09,680 --> 00:14:12,720 do that um then uh we heard from Miss 303 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,240 Patrick as well as from the fire 304 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,720 department we came back again and and re 305 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,519 and put some of the money back so um I 306 00:14:19,519 --> 00:14:21,639 just want to just State publicly that we 307 00:14:21,639 --> 00:14:22,800 have gotten to the place where we 308 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:24,160 thought we could pass the budget but 309 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,680 there are those who agreed at some point 310 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,000 but now disagree that we should go back 311 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,759 to originally so um what even though 312 00:14:31,759 --> 00:14:33,079 last night I thought we were closer 313 00:14:33,079 --> 00:14:35,360 based on our conversation but now I'm 314 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:36,959 hearing that we're not we should go 315 00:14:36,959 --> 00:14:39,800 straight back to the mayor's budget um 316 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:41,920 we have heard from residents at least I 317 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:43,959 have in terms of increase in the water 318 00:14:43,959 --> 00:14:45,360 and sewer fees and there are those who 319 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:46,720 are going to say well it's only this 320 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,680 much a year but with the median income 321 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,680 in the city connected we have a city 322 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,240 that's like basically the has and have 323 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,399 not so let's just put it out there and 324 00:14:54,399 --> 00:14:56,920 there are people who called email text 325 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:00,720 said this is going to impact me so we 326 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,040 have to listen to that and so what are 327 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:05,839 our other Alternatives we need to 328 00:15:05,839 --> 00:15:08,079 increase our Revenue so that that 329 00:15:08,079 --> 00:15:09,199 becomes better and then we need to look 330 00:15:09,199 --> 00:15:10,639 at places that maybe we can get more 331 00:15:10,639 --> 00:15:11,959 Revenue that maybe we're not getting the 332 00:15:11,959 --> 00:15:15,279 best we can so um so the bottom line 333 00:15:15,279 --> 00:15:17,160 probably in this is is that we don't 334 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,240 want to increase our fees for our 335 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,720 residents and we thought we could we 336 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,320 were going to be able to get there by 337 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,720 taking out some of the um positions 338 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,160 there are positions that have not been 339 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,720 filled in years and what happens is that 340 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,480 when there's a shortfall some play sales 341 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,000 they take the money out of that so it's 342 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,959 not like there's anybody losing their 343 00:15:35,959 --> 00:15:37,560 job just want to be clear about that 344 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,360 those positions aren't filled haven't 345 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,480 been filled so that was why or some of 346 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,279 them were new positions that were being 347 00:15:44,279 --> 00:15:46,800 added to the budget so it's not like 348 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:48,839 anyone has has lost their job or has 349 00:15:48,839 --> 00:15:50,319 been in the job for the last three years 350 00:15:50,319 --> 00:15:53,600 for most of them so we are looking we're 351 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,000 looking at that to get to that number of 352 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,920 777000 We Still um put that all the 353 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:02,759 money into the um Public Safety budget 354 00:16:02,759 --> 00:16:05,240 which is was like a hard stop for some 355 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:09,040 people and having said that it's it's 356 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:10,519 those of us who are willing to have 357 00:16:10,519 --> 00:16:13,959 discussions and make uh agreements to 358 00:16:13,959 --> 00:16:16,759 get to that place so that was a hard 359 00:16:16,759 --> 00:16:18,079 stop for other people that was 360 00:16:18,079 --> 00:16:20,440 recognized but we're also recognizing 361 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,199 we're not trying to increase anything 362 00:16:22,199 --> 00:16:24,959 for our residents whether it be um taxes 363 00:16:24,959 --> 00:16:26,800 or soore and water and so we were trying 364 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:28,759 to get there our original place we we 365 00:16:28,759 --> 00:16:30,519 were there with 2.5 million we're told 366 00:16:30,519 --> 00:16:33,000 we can't spend it even though I mean if 367 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,720 there's other places that have done that 368 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:36,720 I gave you the information last night 369 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,319 where you know it went up to CC court 370 00:16:38,319 --> 00:16:39,759 and they said it was unconstitutionally 371 00:16:39,759 --> 00:16:41,120 they say that they couldn't do it 372 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:42,399 however it hasn't happened in the state 373 00:16:42,399 --> 00:16:43,800 of New York so I'm not willing to roll 374 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,480 with dice on that so um I'm of still the 375 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,759 mindset that we and and additionally 376 00:16:50,759 --> 00:16:53,680 initially we said no sewer and water and 377 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,440 then last night we said half of that so 378 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,440 again yes well again I don't think we 379 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,920 all agreed on that just mention but my 380 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:06,799 point is in initially initially it was for Mr M that was a hard stop he 381 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:09,160 was like absolutely none last night he 382 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,039 left this table saying I would go at 50% 383 00:17:12,039 --> 00:17:15,520 if we if we could actually quite frankly 384 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,199 getting you on board with it and you 385 00:17:17,199 --> 00:17:20,439 said yes last night so but I see that 386 00:17:20,439 --> 00:17:24,120 yeah I did spend a lot of really going 387 00:17:24,120 --> 00:17:25,839 back over I think that we just are 388 00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:27,480 nitpicking at some of the staff 389 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,120 positions for example 390 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:32,640 and trying to like put together from 391 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,520 bits and 392 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,799 pieces it just it just doesn't make 393 00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:38,360 sense when we have in front of us a 394 00:17:38,360 --> 00:17:40,720 balanced budget but I mean I'd like to 395 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,280 hear from other people right but I would 396 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,679 say leaving last night it made sense how 397 00:17:44,679 --> 00:17:46,480 to get this budget passed and I was 398 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:47,880 functioning with that understanding 399 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,480 today of how to ensure that I met your 400 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,480 ask was changed at some point and I 401 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,080 respect it however I didn't find out 402 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,960 till right now having heard of from a 403 00:17:57,960 --> 00:17:59,480 number of different individuals that 404 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,559 function within the city uh City Hall um 405 00:18:02,559 --> 00:18:04,400 there have been vacancies opening open 406 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,080 for a consecutive amount of months in 407 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,960 some instances years my understanding 408 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,679 from my management background is are we 409 00:18:12,679 --> 00:18:14,760 hindering applicants from coming forward 410 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:20,159 or we uh knowingly uh just keeping these 411 00:18:20,159 --> 00:18:22,080 vacancies open with no intentions of 412 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,919 ever uh hiring into them and my 413 00:18:25,919 --> 00:18:28,000 understanding is we need to make sure 414 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,600 that we are accurately that we are 415 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,360 accurately utilizing every funding 416 00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:34,960 stream available before we increase 417 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,520 taxes so in looking at these and hearing 418 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:38,720 from a number of individuals that are 419 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,600 currently sitting here to knowingly pass 420 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:46,039 a budget that doesn't do any one step to 421 00:18:46,039 --> 00:18:47,960 um increase opportunities to get 422 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,440 individuals hired we've talked about 423 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,760 these vacancies and we are taking off 424 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,520 positions that are currently posted with 425 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,600 the understanding of we cannot remove a 426 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,240 position that is uh being openly 427 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,840 advertised for but to continue to fund 428 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:03,960 positions with no intent or no 429 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,159 concertive effort to bring people into 430 00:19:06,159 --> 00:19:11,230 this uh City Hall I I can't support 431 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,840 that Mr R Mr chairman would you outline 432 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:16,600 those positions that you're talking 433 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:21,470 about I'll have department heads address 434 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,240 them I can I think allowing some of the 435 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:25,799 other council members to speak before we 436 00:19:25,799 --> 00:19:27,240 sure transition 437 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,310 that 438 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:31,640 personally I would like to hear from 439 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,360 department heads as the marage has 440 00:19:33,360 --> 00:19:36,400 suggested on what what positions that 441 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,480 may have and again just coming out of Co 442 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,280 all right that's in the past there was 443 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:42,840 no one looking for position so you 444 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,400 couldn't hire anyone but anyway I would 445 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,039 like to definitely hear how you would 446 00:19:46,039 --> 00:19:48,480 run each of your departments without the 447 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,159 proper um Personnel in it that's what I 448 00:19:51,159 --> 00:19:54,360 would personally like to hear 449 00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:57,000 Mr I just want to add that all these 450 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,559 positions they are currently advertised 451 00:19:59,559 --> 00:20:02,159 and being up on the board and we're 452 00:20:02,159 --> 00:20:05,559 always trying to uh uh get people in 453 00:20:05,559 --> 00:20:07,799 that the only one is today I think the 454 00:20:07,799 --> 00:20:10,520 clerical aid for your department think 455 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,120 is has not not 456 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:15,159 aded she only resigned two days ago 457 00:20:15,159 --> 00:20:16,880 right the 458 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:21,080 rest always is up in advertising from 459 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:26,360 the position my next comment would be if these advertisements are continuously 460 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:28,960 posted do we do any auditing 461 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,320 of the accuracy of those postings and do 462 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,480 any changing in real time to to 463 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,480 adjust and some of these have been 464 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:42,600 vacant since 2021 and maybe before and I only say 2021 because our the data 465 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,000 sheet that we're giving only goes back 466 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,080 to 2021 maybe she we should have gone 467 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:47,840 back five years and see how long they've 468 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,559 been 469 00:20:49,559 --> 00:20:52,520 open Mr Mayor and 470 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,840 again we do the posting we do the 471 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,120 recruitment we take 472 00:20:57,120 --> 00:20:59,360 referrals 473 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:02,000 all these positions are civil 474 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,200 service and we've seen since Co where 475 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,159 they stopped giving tests you know the 476 00:21:07,159 --> 00:21:10,360 easiest thing is when everything works 477 00:21:10,360 --> 00:21:12,679 right there's a 478 00:21:12,679 --> 00:21:15,880 position There are rules that we have to 479 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,440 follow to hire and they've taken a 480 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,760 competitive test we're given a list of 481 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,159 names and those people can be 482 00:21:23,159 --> 00:21:25,880 interviewed and then appointed to the 483 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,000 position some of this now 484 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,360 we don't have valid lists uh sometimes 485 00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:34,480 they're running tests which I don't 486 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,120 quite understand some of the theory 487 00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:39,080 behind them 488 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:43,120 but it's frustrating so that people also 489 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:46,080 sometimes don't want to take a position 490 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,320 because they have some stability where 491 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,720 they are and if they take a position 492 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,720 here we have to tell them this is a 493 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,559 competitive civil service position we're 494 00:21:55,559 --> 00:21:57,440 not quite sure when the test is going to 495 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:58,559 be given 496 00:21:58,559 --> 00:22:00,480 and I say sometimes we do a lot of times 497 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,240 we don't but if we hire you you have to 498 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:07,799 score in the top three in order to be 499 00:22:07,799 --> 00:22:11,200 appointed on a permanent basis and that 500 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,360 hinders the ability to recruit somebody 501 00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:14,679 because they don't want to give up some 502 00:22:14,679 --> 00:22:16,840 level of stability for something that's 503 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,240 perceived to be more of a risky 504 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,600 undertaking Mr F so excuse me to your 505 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,840 point Mr Mayor I think that there are 506 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,200 some things that are outside the realm 507 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,840 of our control as far as recruitment 508 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,880 goes well not recruitment goes but as 509 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,120 far as you know Finding qualified 510 00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:36,279 candidates um especially regards to the 511 00:22:36,279 --> 00:22:38,640 Civil Service process so I guess my 512 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,760 question then is um and I really welcome 513 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,240 um feedback from all council members and 514 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:49,480 everyone here so does that mean that if if if we 515 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,760 realistically can't are there some 516 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,640 positions here that we have tried to 517 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:59,240 fail not due to um any fault of our own 518 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,120 but just haven't been able to feel that 519 00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:03,520 maybe we should look at removing in 520 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,400 order to um more uh efficiently spend 521 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,390 that 522 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,640 money and and I don't I guess I should 523 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,320 just tell that by saying right that may 524 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,440 be a possibility I to right I don't 525 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,279 think that it's a you know I I think we 526 00:23:21,279 --> 00:23:23,840 definitely want to move um from the 527 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,520 place of like either or and just kind of 528 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:39,390 talk about where does it make sense and if it makes sense um then then then let's go in that 529 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,919 direction Mr you have any comments 530 00:23:41,919 --> 00:23:43,960 before 531 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,240 I so I say one of the main questions and 532 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,480 I I always like to to preface being a 533 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,159 new council member I think that 534 00:23:52,159 --> 00:23:54,760 functioning in the the veil of what's 535 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:55,880 appropriate and what's not appropriate 536 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,400 to us but I think as long as you put 537 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,320 forth a considered effort of wanting to 538 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,559 just get to the bottom line uh I fielded 539 00:24:01,559 --> 00:24:03,840 a lot of questions with regards to the 540 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,960 uh meos and just how this is a 541 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,679 detrimental position for our community 542 00:24:09,679 --> 00:24:13,000 and truly uh Bears a lot of the weight 543 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,279 with respect to uh trash and also with 544 00:24:16,279 --> 00:24:18,760 upcoming snow removal and as we beautify 545 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,200 our Parks making sure that those areas 546 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,480 stay consistently uh uh uh clean moving 547 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:28,159 forward uh has there been any uh 548 00:24:28,159 --> 00:24:30,039 entertainment of conversations to 549 00:24:30,039 --> 00:24:32,600 specify these positions as opposed to 550 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,600 putting out a broader ask of a general 551 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,159 job 552 00:24:37,159 --> 00:24:39,200 announcement I have said that they 553 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,799 should be posted with 554 00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:44,600 the position we would like to put them 555 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,320 in some I understand they're still going 556 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:48,279 out 557 00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:51,000 generically where when you're in that 558 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,880 title you can work in different 559 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,320 departments at different times and in 560 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:58,919 fact that's part of the flexibility 561 00:24:58,919 --> 00:25:00,679 where employees are cross trained so 562 00:25:00,679 --> 00:25:04,200 they can be moved where the workload is 563 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,320 and if you have specific questions Mr 564 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,640 lefon can address it oh if you would 565 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,039 mind Mr Leon I I think I identifying 566 00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:15,320 your openness to specifying those job 567 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,919 announcements if it truly is from the 568 00:25:17,919 --> 00:25:20,440 standpoint of what is the efficacy of 569 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,039 our generalized approach and if that is 570 00:25:24,039 --> 00:25:28,480 not yielding any increase in applicants 571 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,720 what behooves US of transitioning our 572 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,720 train of thought with Rec the M position 573 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,520 under it current job 574 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,520 description um requires a CD license 90% 575 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,159 of our equipment that the MEO are 576 00:25:41,159 --> 00:25:45,799 driving is a dumb truck salt spread a p 577 00:25:45,799 --> 00:25:49,240 truck or a packer under dot rules and 578 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:50,640 regulations you have to hold and 579 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:55,000 maintain a cdlb licensed so meos are 580 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,320 going to be required to have a CDL 581 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,760 license to um we'll be honest that you 582 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,840 know we' made an attempt to bring up 583 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,200 some of the salaries to meos um to make 584 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,720 it more attractive um this past year 585 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,679 um again it's a recruitment um somebody 586 00:26:12,679 --> 00:26:15,279 with a CDL license be can move into 587 00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:17,559 another position somewhere else and make 588 00:26:17,559 --> 00:26:21,039 more money um I've looked at the list 589 00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:23,880 I've looked at where the vacancies are 590 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,480 um it was made that there is a there are 591 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,600 two vacancies Within Department that 592 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,200 they are new requests that was made 593 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,240 after talking to my department heads 594 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,080 when we do a budget I go over with my 595 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,240 department heads and we look at the 596 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,120 needs the workforce that we need to 597 00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:39,799 maintain a quality level of service to 598 00:26:39,799 --> 00:26:43,760 the back of the city okay but it's not 599 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,640 known as the logistics during the days 600 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,000 of the park that two meos will move into 601 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,360 what we call um ground Keepers and they 602 00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:54,440 will take care of the ball fields soccer 603 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,640 fields softball fields for the whole 604 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,840 entire summmer that means my Workforce 605 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,399 for regular meos to do the other 606 00:27:00,399 --> 00:27:02,679 maintenance on islands and Parks which 607 00:27:02,679 --> 00:27:06,360 we have 31 Parks drops by two so the 608 00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:09,880 request was to request two more meos in 609 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,159 the parks department to fill that void 610 00:27:12,159 --> 00:27:15,720 all summer long that we lose the other 611 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,720 um in the street department what people 612 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,640 have realize is we have a Workforce 613 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,559 where most of our employees have been 614 00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:26,480 here five years or more they get four 615 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,200 weeks off vacation 616 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,159 you got 10 employees they all take your 617 00:27:30,159 --> 00:27:32,399 four weeks for the year I've lost one 618 00:27:32,399 --> 00:27:34,080 employee for 40 weeks i' lost them for a 619 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,240 whole year so those'll set employees 620 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,720 down down to nine for that year take the 621 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,679 VAC take the sick leave take the 622 00:27:40,679 --> 00:27:42,799 personal leave take the bement leave 623 00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:44,919 take the family medical leave take the 624 00:27:44,919 --> 00:27:47,600 workers come out of those 10 employees I 625 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,519 probably have seven to work with so 626 00:27:50,519 --> 00:27:52,720 there are vacancies because we'd like to 627 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,919 get those filled because we never have a 628 00:27:54,919 --> 00:27:59,000 full Workforce there is somebody always 629 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,120 out whether it's like I said comp 630 00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:06,519 vacation personal sick they're entitled 631 00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:08,640 to those days they take those days but 632 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,200 it's a loss of a body on the workforce 633 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,440 so and the sense of the waste division 634 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,519 there's eight meos we utilize those meos 635 00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:21,080 to help with the season we also have an 636 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,880 agreement with the Union to help train 637 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,200 some of those employees so that if they 638 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,240 do start as a seasonal and and they're a 639 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,960 good work good work at it they come the 640 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,720 work they move to a temporary position 641 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,240 they get a little bit of benefits they 642 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,399 get a little more pay and then they work 643 00:28:36,399 --> 00:28:38,919 towards their CPL license they get the 644 00:28:38,919 --> 00:28:41,600 permit we give them drive time we 645 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,960 started a program where we'll have the 646 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,320 CDL trainers inous to train them so they 647 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,279 can take the road test and keeping some 648 00:28:50,279 --> 00:28:52,080 of those positions gives them the 649 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,159 incentive to do that so they can be 650 00:28:54,159 --> 00:28:56,519 recommended to a full-time position with 651 00:28:56,519 --> 00:28:59,159 benefits and the extra salary for their 652 00:28:59,159 --> 00:29:01,919 families positions are removed what's 653 00:29:01,919 --> 00:29:03,720 the incentive for somebody to come here 654 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,549 and try and 655 00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:10,000 grow but but I'd say to a point of 656 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,080 clarity does that request for the meos 657 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,320 for waste and the MOs for Park is that a 658 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,320 generic 10 job vacancy announcement or 659 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,360 does it specifically ask for two meos 660 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,000 for sewer and then two or then eight 661 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,519 right now it's pretty much generic 662 00:29:27,519 --> 00:29:29,080 because we move them around we can 663 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,919 change that but what happens is when you 664 00:29:31,919 --> 00:29:34,440 need people a on a good day we don't 665 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,720 need anybody in waste on a bad day we 666 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,200 may have to go to another department and 667 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,120 say we need some people to helping waste 668 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,960 we need some NEOS um if they're locked 669 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,399 into that department and they say we 670 00:29:46,399 --> 00:29:48,279 don't have to go there what do I do with 671 00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:50,000 the waste how do I pick it 672 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,200 up I spent enough time on the back of 673 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,480 the garbage truck even as the 674 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,080 commissioner picking up the weight from 675 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,039 the trash so have my other department 676 00:29:57,039 --> 00:29:58,640 heads and managers within the 677 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,960 Departments so we have to have some 678 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,440 flexibility okay to move some employees 679 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,440 around good example is we move them all 680 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,159 around coming December 4th I put the 681 00:30:07,159 --> 00:30:10,519 memo out today um we all move to third 682 00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:12,399 shift we have third shift that starts 683 00:30:12,399 --> 00:30:15,080 winter winter monst for snow it's 3:00 684 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,440 a.m. in the morning to 11: we ask for 685 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,240 volunteers volunteers first so that we 686 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,480 try and get the volunteers that want to 687 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,519 come on the third shift then if not then 688 00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:26,840 by seniority within the classification 689 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,159 class classication in needing the 690 00:30:28,159 --> 00:30:30,519 agreement is meos that is their 691 00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:32,279 classification this year we were 692 00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:34,679 fortunate we have nine volunteers take 693 00:30:34,679 --> 00:30:37,039 it so nobody had to go on the night 694 00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:39,840 shift if they want to um but again we 695 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,000 have Parks employees going to the night 696 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,840 shift beginning on Monday the 4th of 697 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,240 December SE division employees and 698 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,039 Street Department Division and just so 699 00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:50,159 we can keep the streets clear get salt 700 00:30:50,159 --> 00:30:51,919 on the ground starting early in the 701 00:30:51,919 --> 00:30:54,640 morning before Traffic Rush Hour starts 702 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,360 so NEOS are vital position with the city 703 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,399 but again we have to have some open 704 00:30:59,399 --> 00:31:00,840 positions because there has to be room 705 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:01,919 for some of the employees that are 706 00:31:01,919 --> 00:31:04,480 growing within us that we're training to 707 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,440 have a position to move into and we need 708 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,039 them filled eventually because like I 709 00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:11,200 said with all the time off that employee 710 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,440 given we never have a full staff every 711 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,880 day and I would say based on that uh 712 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,159 description which I truly appreciate 713 00:31:20,159 --> 00:31:22,399 what I'm hearing is there's a need for 714 00:31:22,399 --> 00:31:25,360 more Staffing so from The Sounds 715 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,240 flexibility is not a luxury that we 716 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,720 currently have because we just need the 717 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,880 staff if I didn't need the staff I 718 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,360 wouldn't have requested anything in the 719 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,200 budget like I guess what I'm saying the 720 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,200 flexibility of being specific or or 721 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,480 being too generic wanting to disperse 722 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,000 staff throughout the needs of the 723 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,960 Departments we just need staff we need 724 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,279 that so then again we have Services we 725 00:31:46,279 --> 00:31:47,760 provide whether it's snow whether it's 726 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,799 waste whether it's cutting wwns whether 727 00:31:49,799 --> 00:31:52,679 maintaining City own vacant properties 728 00:31:52,679 --> 00:31:56,519 we need staff Meo is the you know 729 00:31:56,519 --> 00:31:57,760 because of the 730 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,120 they are flexible and snow 731 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,639 removal without a c I can't put them in a dump truck I can't put them in a p 732 00:32:05,639 --> 00:32:09,279 i can't put them in a Assa 733 00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:12,399 SP I'm sorry Mr pres no I was just um 734 00:32:12,399 --> 00:32:14,480 listening to what Mr saying and I think 735 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,600 that the fact that he's cross trained 736 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,399 these employees you know I just I 737 00:32:19,399 --> 00:32:21,919 appreciate that as far as the level of 738 00:32:21,919 --> 00:32:24,720 you know um to be effective and and 739 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,200 maintain a certain level of service for 740 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,399 the city um and I know that historically 741 00:32:30,399 --> 00:32:33,200 you know when I you know seen the mayor 742 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,960 out at um this place or that place you 743 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,639 know we're constantly talking up about 744 00:32:38,639 --> 00:32:40,720 he's consistently saying like you know 745 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,440 trying to recruit people so it becomes 746 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,240 all of our um unofficial title to 747 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,000 recruit people um but to your point uh 748 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,679 Mr Leon we also are competing with area 749 00:32:51,679 --> 00:32:54,919 municipalities and we have to keep some 750 00:32:54,919 --> 00:32:57,159 of those positions in place for for 751 00:32:57,159 --> 00:32:59,559 someone has a position to Aspire to 752 00:32:59,559 --> 00:33:01,080 right 753 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:06,279 okay um and do we have um any of the 754 00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:09,799 positions that might not be um I guess 755 00:33:09,799 --> 00:33:11,279 for lack of better term some of the 756 00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:13,480 positions that are are aspirational 757 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,240 positions for guys that we could that 758 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,200 within your thought that we could um 759 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,919 remove in order to um uh use that money 760 00:33:23,919 --> 00:33:26,240 more effectively or just based on your 761 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,679 wealth of knowledge experience that 762 00:33:27,679 --> 00:33:28,919 that's just not the 763 00:33:28,919 --> 00:33:31,440 case I guess part of my voice it's not 764 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,519 Co by the way the goal is to I mean 765 00:33:34,519 --> 00:33:36,799 employees starts you know it's a 766 00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:38,360 seasonal it's more of an entry level 767 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,679 position and some of them are very 768 00:33:40,679 --> 00:33:42,679 content being a seasonal they don't want 769 00:33:42,679 --> 00:33:45,480 to they don't want to move up to obtain 770 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,120 their license yeah but we still need a 771 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,960 labor force right we still need some 772 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,200 people on the back of that truck to help 773 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,039 us load out trash or blow leaves or help 774 00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:57,480 with the tree and picking up 775 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,480 there still a labor force and I did 776 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,840 request in the budget there is a request 777 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,760 there's some people in there as a labor 778 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,839 loaders um to really bring some people 779 00:34:08,839 --> 00:34:10,919 on board that don't have the aspiration 780 00:34:10,919 --> 00:34:13,359 to move up but I need some good labor 781 00:34:13,359 --> 00:34:17,480 force people okay and they deserve the 782 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,839 benefits but we're working with a very 783 00:34:19,839 --> 00:34:21,599 slim Workforce we've been doing it for 784 00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:23,839 years and we've been trying for years to 785 00:34:23,839 --> 00:34:25,800 bring that Workforce up but you always 786 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,069 have to have a few open 787 00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:31,200 positions you know to bring that person 788 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,520 that started at the bottom who's gone to 789 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,839 that that training and obtain his 790 00:34:36,839 --> 00:34:39,280 license to give him you know home with 791 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,079 the city hope make get a career 792 00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:45,359 here if you filled every 793 00:34:45,359 --> 00:34:47,119 phys you got to wait for somebody to 794 00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:49,839 retire and hire 795 00:34:49,839 --> 00:34:53,040 somebody so not counting the proposed 796 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,320 bills for 797 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:59,670 2024 how many vacancies do you have 798 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,440 El yes you have the list I believe there 799 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,440 is eight in the was Department three in 800 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,800 the bureau service and two in the parks 801 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,160 department pleas 802 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,839 includ yeah I want to know what you have 803 00:35:12,839 --> 00:35:16,480 in just 23 this includes 24 as well yeah 804 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,599 the only only difference will be the two 805 00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:22,680 in so you have six vacancies right now 806 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,320 eight and three 11 you have 11 vacancies 807 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,680 uh 808 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,320 they don't have it in front of 809 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,400 me but you have to understand that some 810 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:33,839 of those vacancies within the waste 811 00:35:33,839 --> 00:35:35,920 department are providing the funding for 812 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,359 the seasonals who are working as the 813 00:35:37,359 --> 00:35:39,320 laborers if you look at the actual 814 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,440 year-to dat expenses I think Anthony can 815 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,240 tell you is some that money is being 816 00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:46,040 used but it's being used to fund the 817 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,200 seasonal employees 818 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,680 oh now didn't you just I was told that 819 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,520 seasonals just recently got laid off you 820 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,160 let the seasonals go we always have of 821 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,280 uh a Workforce of seasal the seasonals 822 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,960 are here for 6 months okay some of the 823 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,280 seasonals uh we keep a number of season 824 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,800 on in the waste department because 825 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,760 they're working on the back of the um 826 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,440 the trash trucks because they don't have 827 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,720 currently they don't have a CDL license 828 00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:15,599 and I stated if they come in as a 829 00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:17,160 seasonal and they don't want to work 830 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,200 towards their license we will give them 831 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:20,480 they get their permit we will give them 832 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,240 the drive time we will give them the 833 00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:23,720 opportunity to take the road test if 834 00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:25,680 they pass it a recommendation would be 835 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,960 made to meet them perur ml because now 836 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,079 they need the qualifications of an ml 837 00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:32,599 because they have a class B 838 00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:35,800 license but if the vacancy doesn't 839 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,640 exist they're not going to get to the 840 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,960 Nao 841 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,920 position some of these positions have 842 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,400 been longterm 843 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,119 like is that correct have long 844 00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:49,359 term some probably in the waste debate 845 00:36:49,359 --> 00:36:51,760 has been long term there's two positions 846 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:52,680 in 847 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,560 ARA they're they're there again it goes 848 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,880 to reproving 849 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,520 you you have to you have to have the CDL 850 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,960 if you want to fill an Meo position and 851 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,640 right now we go out to the board the the 852 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,240 advertisement is there we did hire one 853 00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:11,160 last week um so we are constantly 854 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,560 looking and constantly trying to fill 855 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,440 those positions it's not there just to 856 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,359 take 857 00:37:18,359 --> 00:37:21,319 up funding they positions that are 858 00:37:21,319 --> 00:37:25,160 needed if I could fill them all I'd be 859 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,800 grateful Mr Mayor 860 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,960 in that us to do the 861 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,760 perdum if you want to delete an Meo and 862 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,240 move the money over to 863 00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:38,520 perdum we could do that the reality is 864 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,720 the goal is to try and hire the 865 00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:44,960 MEO with the CDL so that they're greater 866 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,720 value employee if we don't have that 867 00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:51,280 then we still staff with people who you 868 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,839 know don't have the certification and 869 00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:57,839 we're trying to create an incentivized 870 00:37:57,839 --> 00:37:59,640 uh program that we made some 871 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:00,960 modifications with the collective 872 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,880 bargaining agreement to uh map out a 873 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,280 clear path so that when people come in 874 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:07,520 they understand that there's an 875 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:08,800 opportunity in front of them but they 876 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,240 have to meet certain things and we want 877 00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:13,160 to work with them to get the permit of 878 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,520 take the test and have the CDL license 879 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,960 and hopefully when they have it is that 880 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,800 they will stay here because in today's 881 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:26,359 market our pay scale is on the lower end 882 00:38:26,359 --> 00:38:28,160 of of the pay 883 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,160 range the benefit package the total 884 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,599 package we give is very good but when 885 00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:36,119 you have younger employes they tend to 886 00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:37,880 just look at what's in their paycheck 887 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,640 and not the health insurance not the 888 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,119 retirement not some of the other 889 00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:45,359 benefits that uh are really a great uh 890 00:38:45,359 --> 00:38:48,960 component of the city's overall package 891 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,599 which is my my point directly where the 892 00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:56,599 desire is to bring in this uh on well 893 00:38:56,599 --> 00:38:59,119 experienced staff member year 894 00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:02,160 one does that desire evolve if that 895 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,800 vacancy remains such if not increasing 896 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,920 into year two year three year 897 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,319 four where case in point and truly I 898 00:39:10,319 --> 00:39:13,480 think this is another reflection of why 899 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,079 our city is called the electric city um 900 00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:19,200 Mr our chief Marino and instituting the 901 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,640 EM program I think that that is a truly 902 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,720 adaptive concept to trying to get ahead 903 00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:27,319 of retention and recruitment issues 904 00:39:27,319 --> 00:39:29,560 and I think replicating that in other 905 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,640 facets of our local government is going 906 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,880 to be one of the approaches to simar to 907 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,800 the law office where if we can't bring 908 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,280 in assisant corporation councils how do 909 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,040 we make use of light work let's 910 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,920 potentially bring in some par legals and 911 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,319 not reduce those assistant Corporation 912 00:39:45,319 --> 00:39:48,160 councils to zero because Mr colon would 913 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,560 still like to have another uh well 914 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,560 experienced or specialized individual 915 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,400 but truly if that vacancy 916 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,280 extends one year two years three years I 917 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,240 think it is prudent upon us to evaluate 918 00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:05,109 how effective are our job 919 00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:08,000 announcements which goes back to if I 920 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,319 like Parks I like parks and I understand 921 00:40:10,319 --> 00:40:13,240 the mission of uh or the intent of the 922 00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:15,359 department to use those more as a 923 00:40:15,359 --> 00:40:17,599 transient Workforce so that you can 924 00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:19,920 accommodate some needs uh globally in 925 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,680 our city but I I imagine Mr lefon you 926 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,119 would take any Meo if they were 927 00:40:26,119 --> 00:40:27,079 president 928 00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:29,680 uh so would you be opening would you be 929 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,349 open to having a specialized job 930 00:40:33,359 --> 00:40:35,200 announcement meaning you're hired for 931 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,839 the 932 00:40:36,839 --> 00:40:39,079 parkday to get to get a person in the 933 00:40:39,079 --> 00:40:44,030 door 934 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,079 yes an Meo is an Meo as long he has a 935 00:40:47,079 --> 00:40:49,680 CDL license they got to be able to plow 936 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,760 sow and saw my biggest thing if you look 937 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,319 where the most vacancies are in the 938 00:40:53,319 --> 00:40:55,839 waist or in the street department the 939 00:40:55,839 --> 00:40:59,200 parks Department M were a request for 940 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,160 this coming year for 24 there were no 941 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,960 openings in the past years okay so that 942 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,079 was to help increase the labor force 943 00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:07,680 just because of the amount of work we 944 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,920 have in the Parks new people coming 945 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,520 online um you know we we just need the 946 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,480 workforce the other is the street 947 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,480 department the street department does 948 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,040 work with the sewer department in the 949 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,640 winter mons snow all get the streets 950 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,640 pled the city is connected we all get 951 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,680 the phone calls eventually I'll come 952 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,119 back to me okay but when they have a 953 00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:33,760 workforce out there and um three drivers 954 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,839 down um Stow comes in we request 955 00:41:37,839 --> 00:41:39,680 overtime they want to come in for the 956 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,119 overtime they come in if they don't they 957 00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:43,280 stay home guys will come in and drive 958 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,000 for an additional 5 hours or so six 959 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,920 hours they get TI driving that truck I 960 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,599 don't have additional meos to replace 961 00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:53,839 them in the seat that truck sits in the yard somebody streets aren't 962 00:41:53,839 --> 00:41:56,839 getting done I need a Workforce I need 963 00:41:56,839 --> 00:42:00,240 meos to be able to drive solve do the 964 00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:03,359 things we need them to do budget that I 965 00:42:03,359 --> 00:42:05,720 put forth to the mayor as a request for 966 00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:08,079 the staff that I feel is needed to do 967 00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:09,560 the job we 968 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,200 do it's your decision whether or not to 969 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:18,040 accept it change it cut it the number of fills I gave you is what I 970 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,120 feel is 971 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:20,680 [Music] 972 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,920 needed but that's also based on the 973 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,480 number of applicants we 974 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:30,160 receive abely trying yes there's there's vacancies all around the city we 975 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,400 like consistently to fill that 976 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:38,790 understand because we have 977 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,240 needs so I know that was one um 978 00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:44,880 Department specifically were there any 979 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,200 other areas uh appreciate Miss Patrick's 980 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,800 comments uh asked the collect Council to 981 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,280 come back with some recommendations uh 982 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,160 and 983 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,400 with respect open the 984 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:08,829 floor no okay it's 985 00:43:08,839 --> 00:43:11,079 department so I think at this present 986 00:43:11,079 --> 00:43:12,920 time I'm truly trying not to speak for 987 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,200 Mr murar I know he was highlighting uh 988 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,079 the uh fees for uh for 989 00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:25,069 service as an intentional 990 00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:28,589 line 991 00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:31,040 so again we trying to get to 992 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:36,040 777000 Mr mavari um he was considering 993 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,040 the um looking at the fees for services 994 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,720 how much we spent year to date and if 995 00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:42,640 possible a reduction in those Feast for 996 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,280 services to get to that number um I 997 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:46,520 don't know if we're just like spinning 998 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,160 our Wheels here since we know that that 999 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:54,119 we Patrick would not be on board with any any changes but I don't I mean 1000 00:43:54,119 --> 00:43:55,520 it's really the finance committee that 1001 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,520 has to passed the budget out of finance 1002 00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:58,800 committee so I don't have a vote there 1003 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,359 anyway I was just making a statement 1004 00:44:02,359 --> 00:44:06,079 so encouraging us to move forward 1005 00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:08,640 because we've you know been going line 1006 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,720 by line through everything now 1007 00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:22,549 for some 1008 00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:30,069 time was your ra no 1009 00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:31,640 I would say even if it was conceivably 1010 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,000 possible I don't think me and Mr Al 1011 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,880 would would get to an agreement at this 1012 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,119 juncture I I truly I spent my day today 1013 00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:40,280 trying 1014 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,839 to understand how to get closer to your 1015 00:44:42,839 --> 00:44:46,040 ask so hearing that today then my whole 1016 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,960 framework of interacting in this 1017 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:54,950 conversation shifts 1018 00:44:54,960 --> 00:45:07,390 dramatically 1019 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,640 so we have to it has to we have to get a 1020 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,280 budget pass out of the finance committee 1021 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:12,680 order for move 1022 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,510 forward um 1023 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,720 so you haven't really stayed your 1024 00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:20,680 position but if you my position's been 1025 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,720 clear from day one I will not support 1026 00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:24,160 anything that builds a structural 1027 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,240 deficit in into the budget that's what's 1028 00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:31,400 happening here I will not support that 1029 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,280 and I'm also a little confused because 1030 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,240 you know we've been hearing for the past 1031 00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:38,480 year and a half two years we have to 1032 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,040 fill the positions we have to fill the 1033 00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,119 positions now all of a sudden we don't 1034 00:45:42,119 --> 00:45:44,880 want to spill positions and this is a 1035 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,160 sustainable 1036 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,319 plan to create the workforce that's 1037 00:45:49,319 --> 00:45:51,400 necessary to get the job done that we 1038 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:52,760 the citizens 1039 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:57,920 expect I'm not supporting anything that puts a deficit into the into the 1040 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,760 budget okay so just to be clear yes we 1041 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,240 had said we need to fill position but it 1042 00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:04,559 hasn't happened it's not up to the 1043 00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:06,079 council to fill positions we can make 1044 00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:08,079 recommendations some of us have some of 1045 00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:09,119 those people have been hired some of 1046 00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:11,839 those people have not so it's not up to 1047 00:46:11,839 --> 00:46:13,680 us so yes we have been advocating but 1048 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,240 they haven't been filled so right now 1049 00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:17,200 we're facing the reality that they 1050 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,960 haven't been filled for multiple 1051 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,880 years and so if if it comes to the point 1052 00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,000 where they need to be we could 1053 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,520 definitely we it but right now it hasn't 1054 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,599 happened so it's not something we're 1055 00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:31,440 making up it's sitting right in front of 1056 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,079 you the 1057 00:46:33,079 --> 00:46:35,440 facts and all it does is create a 1058 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,160 structural deficit into this the 1059 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,480 budget so how do you propose that we not 1060 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,200 have a fe increase that we consider our 1061 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,839 taxpayers who are reaching out to 1062 00:46:46,839 --> 00:46:49,839 us we have to have Fe increase if we 1063 00:46:49,839 --> 00:46:52,319 don't want a deficit built in that's 1064 00:46:52,319 --> 00:46:55,200 just the facts we all approved the the 1065 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,400 water um The Pump Station that's a 1066 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,280 million dollar payment a 1067 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,559 year it's got to come from somewhere and 1068 00:47:03,559 --> 00:47:05,599 unfortunately none of us wants to raise 1069 00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:09,839 fees or taxes none of us I'm assuming 1070 00:47:09,839 --> 00:47:12,440 but I'm I'll think I'm pretty safe in 1071 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,280 that assumption but the fact is the fact 1072 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,319 we have a situation where if we do 1073 00:47:19,319 --> 00:47:21,400 anything else we've created a structural 1074 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,319 deficit that's only going to make the 1075 00:47:23,319 --> 00:47:26,880 problem worse 1 2 3 years down the road 1076 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,319 unless we look at some very strong ways 1077 00:47:28,319 --> 00:47:30,440 of increasing our our revenue and we say 1078 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,240 that every year to your point and we get 1079 00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:34,400 nowhere that's right so then we have to 1080 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,599 like make it a point that we do that 1081 00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:39,440 because every we can't consistently say 1082 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,559 to taxpayers you have to do more and more in terms of of footing our 1083 00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:46,079 bill when we I'm going to say 1084 00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:47,480 collectively because we are the 1085 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,160 legislative body I understand the mayor 1086 00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,400 the administrative body are not doing 1087 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:52,880 anything to increase the revenue so we 1088 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,880 need to really make a concerted effort 1089 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,480 to do that because I'm hearing from 1090 00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,599 taxpayers all the time and perh and I 1091 00:47:58,599 --> 00:48:00,040 understand that some people like well I 1092 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,000 hear from somebody I was talking to 1093 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,119 someone and they said well I I was 1094 00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:06,240 talking to people that they were like or 1095 00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:07,359 a person they were like oh that's not a 1096 00:48:07,359 --> 00:48:09,599 big deal and I say I understand that but 1097 00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:10,960 I'm speaking to people for them it is a 1098 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,319 big deal so we have to consider everyone 1099 00:48:14,319 --> 00:48:16,280 so we came to the table like okay it's 1100 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,640 not a big deal for you it's a big deal 1101 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,240 for you let's meet halfway in the middle 1102 00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:21,720 and say we'll do 50% now I'm 1103 00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:23,359 understanding that nope that's not even 1104 00:48:23,359 --> 00:48:26,640 good enough so you know 1105 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,640 we we have to see what's best to balance 1106 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,160 budget we also have to look out for our 1107 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,680 taxpayers and for some of us maybe it's 1108 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,359 a small amount but for some some other 1109 00:48:35,359 --> 00:48:38,440 people it's it's significant so we have 1110 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,319 to take that in 1111 00:48:40,319 --> 00:48:42,200 consideration and if we talk about 1112 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:43,480 vacancies again they've they've been 1113 00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,720 multiple year vacancies so um not 1114 00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:48,240 cutting any positions or not getting 1115 00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:49,760 anybody out of a job that's currently in 1116 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,280 a job just want to make that clear Mr 1117 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,000 chairman Mr again and multiple your 1118 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,839 vacancies if you take anyone title uh 1119 00:48:59,839 --> 00:49:02,119 like firefighter police 1120 00:49:02,119 --> 00:49:04,280 officer this case the 1121 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,880 NEOS where we have a large number of 1122 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,400 those 1123 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,920 employees that Junior position is almost 1124 00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,480 always empty you have retirements in the 1125 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:17,680 fire department every year you have 1126 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,119 retirements in the police department 1127 00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:23,040 every year so that entry level the first 1128 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:27,200 one on the chart is always open but it 1129 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:28,720 doesn't mean we're trying not trying to 1130 00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:30,359 fill that and it's not part of the 1131 00:49:30,359 --> 00:49:33,359 overall Staffing of the Departments so I 1132 00:49:33,359 --> 00:49:35,720 think it kind of mischaracterizes it we 1133 00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:37,880 say they're open for multiple years you 1134 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,119 have to look at just the hiring process 1135 00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:43,160 and the reality of life people spend a a 1136 00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,960 career here they retire and or move on 1137 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,559 to other things but those positions then 1138 00:49:48,559 --> 00:49:50,480 end up so you'll always look at it and 1139 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:51,599 there's going to be an opening in the 1140 00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:52,640 police department there's going to be an 1141 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:53,880 opening in the fire department there'll 1142 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,000 be an opening for an Meo doesn't mean 1143 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,559 that we don't want to do it but that's 1144 00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:03,040 the reality 1145 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:04,839 and in the 1146 00:50:04,839 --> 00:50:08,480 whole talking about the going halfway 1147 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:24,430 are you talking about also in the 1148 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,990 garbage I 1149 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,319 would I would say based on Mr palam's 1150 00:50:31,319 --> 00:50:33,920 statement I think we've done a a 1151 00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,880 successful effort at 1152 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,599 funding uh positions with the intent to 1153 00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:40,920 bring those into the workforce really 1154 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,359 well uh but I I would love your 1155 00:50:43,359 --> 00:50:45,000 recommendation I don't know what 1156 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,040 organization would 1157 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,240 successfully uh continue to fund 1158 00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:51,200 position without adjusting their 1159 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:52,480 recruitment 1160 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,000 efforts I I I I that is not the budget 1161 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,440 that's human resources so if you want to 1162 00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,359 talk about that that's a separate case I 1163 00:51:00,359 --> 00:51:02,720 don't have any issue discussing that but 1164 00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:05,359 now it's the budget you're the guys that 1165 00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:08,079 came to the table with 1166 00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:12,319 demands nobody else so if if you want to 1167 00:51:12,319 --> 00:51:14,079 start from there then we can go from 1168 00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:17,799 there but uh the human resources is the 1169 00:51:17,799 --> 00:51:20,920 one with the recruiting not us and I 1170 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,640 understand your point that can be a 1171 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,040 discussion at a committee meeting but 1172 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,160 right now now it's the budget but I 1173 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:28,240 would say we just heard from a 1174 00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:30,799 department chair that says there's no 1175 00:51:30,799 --> 00:51:32,960 interest in investing that job 1176 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,839 announcement and if I heard it correctly 1177 00:51:35,839 --> 00:51:37,480 because there's an ask in the parks 1178 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,119 department doesn't mean even if he hired 1179 00:51:40,119 --> 00:51:42,319 that ask would be fulfilled if the need 1180 00:51:42,319 --> 00:51:44,559 was greater in waste so then my response 1181 00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:46,599 is if we just need 1182 00:51:46,599 --> 00:51:49,200 Personnel why are we specifying and 1183 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,470 let's start with what we 1184 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,760 have all you're doing is creating a 1185 00:51:54,760 --> 00:52:00,470 structureal defic that's all you doing 1186 00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,000 period me yeah I just want to clarify 1187 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,000 that I could I'll go ahead chair I told 1188 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,119 him to post those by Department reality 1189 00:52:10,119 --> 00:52:12,480 is when they get higher the need may be 1190 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,000 different so 1191 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,119 I'm saying that we've tried I've tried 1192 00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:21,440 to do that hasn't happened I'll take 1193 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,280 care of that I'm not sure it's going to 1194 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,280 get the results that people 1195 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:32,000 say but I will have those announcements 1196 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,480 modified specifically mayor yes thank 1197 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,599 you sir uh and Mr Ferrari I I think if 1198 00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:40,799 you specify this Paul tell me if I'm 1199 00:52:40,799 --> 00:52:43,200 wrong if you're specify you say you only 1200 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,920 you are a parts M they don't have to go 1201 00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:48,520 to garbage if you need 1202 00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:52,160 them that's what you want then I don't 1203 00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:53,319 know what you want me to do with garbage 1204 00:52:53,319 --> 00:52:56,960 and the people aren't there Mr thank you 1205 00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,079 um py back off what Mr Leon said um a 1206 00:53:01,079 --> 00:53:02,920 lot of this is geared by our collective 1207 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,119 bargaining agreement which talks about 1208 00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:08,280 the needs that Mr lefon may see at a 1209 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:09,960 given point in time and there's 1210 00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,559 flexibility built into that for Mr Leon 1211 00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:15,559 to assign somebody to fulfill the need 1212 00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:17,599 based on the title of the position so 1213 00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:20,880 it's not you know when we're filling an 1214 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:25,280 me position there's no me parks right 1215 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:26,760 Civil Service world it's just the 1216 00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,839 position we have to assign it to a 1217 00:53:28,839 --> 00:53:32,720 particular Department um and then within 1218 00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:35,440 that there's flexibility within the CBA 1219 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,200 um and the Union's aware of that for Mr 1220 00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,040 Leon to be able to assign based on the 1221 00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,440 need and there's an order that he 1222 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,710 follows for that based on 1223 00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:50,520 seniority my response is I I don't see 1224 00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,599 us having the luxury of being particular 1225 00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:54,240 right now because we just need the 1226 00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:56,900 workforce 1227 00:53:56,900 --> 00:54:00,240 [Music] 1228 00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:01,960 did you hear yes yeah I just want to say 1229 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,799 that we didn't come to table with our 1230 00:54:03,799 --> 00:54:05,520 demands we came through the table with 1231 00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,319 our suggestions for the budget which you 1232 00:54:07,319 --> 00:54:09,480 have done as well in the past so it's 1233 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,440 not like it's not like the discussion 1234 00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,040 around the budget has always been 1235 00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:15,920 exactly what the mayor presented my 1236 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,760 knowledge I don't recall it being ever 1237 00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,559 exactly the budget that came to this 1238 00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:22,400 table so it's not about demands but it 1239 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,319 is looking at the budget overall and 1240 00:54:24,319 --> 00:54:25,680 coming with 1241 00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,640 recommendations um to the budget which 1242 00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,040 most of us have have done before even up 1243 00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,839 till last year um so I just want to 1244 00:54:34,839 --> 00:54:36,200 clear that it's not demanding it 1245 00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:37,880 certainly is recommendations and and 1246 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,599 trying to get to a certain place and so 1247 00:54:40,599 --> 00:54:42,160 that's what we should be doing to work 1248 00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,079 together and uh I'm sorry that some 1249 00:54:45,079 --> 00:54:46,920 people feel that that that demands as 1250 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,200 opposed to 1251 00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,920 recommendations and concessions on on 1252 00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,319 when there is some council members says 1253 00:54:54,319 --> 00:54:56,440 I absolutely cannot get there it's like 1254 00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:00,079 okay we can meet you halfway so um this 1255 00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:02,559 is where we are today and um as we left 1256 00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:05,000 the table last night we thought we were 1257 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,520 uh closer than we are today see that 1258 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,349 things have 1259 00:55:10,359 --> 00:55:12,160 changed 1260 00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,839 I'm oh I'd like to know I mean looking 1261 00:55:14,839 --> 00:55:17,359 at the revenue a huge portion of our 1262 00:55:17,359 --> 00:55:20,680 revenue is in those fees so I don't 1263 00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,760 really see how we me obviously we have 1264 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,680 the casino that's great 1265 00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,599 um that looks pretty steady but I 1266 00:55:28,599 --> 00:55:31,160 mean I don't really know how else we 1267 00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:35,559 could bring in Revenue to the city 1268 00:55:35,559 --> 00:55:36,880 except through the 1269 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,680 fees um you know I think and I agree 1270 00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,760 that I don't think any of us want 1271 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,880 to uh add to the burden of our residents 1272 00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,280 but you know again I think that had we 1273 00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:50,760 done it last year we might have been in 1274 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,079 a different spot but again they're not 1275 00:55:53,079 --> 00:55:55,039 it's you know I don't know if I think 1276 00:55:55,039 --> 00:55:57,280 Anthony said that last night but looking 1277 00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,280 at this I just don't know how else we 1278 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:01,799 would bring in more Revenue we're doing 1279 00:56:01,799 --> 00:56:03,680 well with the property management sales 1280 00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,920 and um continue to increase that you 1281 00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,319 know every year but I I was wondering 1282 00:56:09,319 --> 00:56:10,799 what other people felt about what their 1283 00:56:10,799 --> 00:56:12,680 ideas were for increasing the 1284 00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:17,549 revenue if not those 1285 00:56:17,559 --> 00:56:19,839 fees and for the sake of repeating it 1286 00:56:19,839 --> 00:56:22,599 again I'm not against fee increases that 1287 00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:24,520 is something that is naturally going to 1288 00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,119 have to happen just based off the 1289 00:56:26,119 --> 00:56:28,039 Investments that the city has made what 1290 00:56:28,039 --> 00:56:31,599 I'm against doing as a first step is 1291 00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:34,960 blanketly stamping our current Staffing 1292 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:39,400 model without identifying ways to either 1293 00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,000 improve our recruitment efforts or truly 1294 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,280 ask the question of are we able to fill 1295 00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:46,280 this 1296 00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,680 ever and if that question is not 1297 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,079 answered with an amount of certainty I 1298 00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:54,280 think passing that tax increase on to 1299 00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:55,920 residents 1300 00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,520 I I I think that that's not an 1301 00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:21,710 appropriate way 1302 00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,240 budget so I just said I need to ask the 1303 00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:25,799 question for first of all we we 1304 00:57:25,799 --> 00:57:30,160 discussed that we were taking um A3 3412 1305 00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:35,359 which is FS and um a3120 and a 3122 off 1306 00:57:35,359 --> 00:57:38,240 the table so are people open to looking 1307 00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,520 at other positions or that's an absolute 1308 00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:44,200 no then you know in terms of 1309 00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:48,000 um not filling the vacancies and trying 1310 00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,880 to get to the number that we needed so 1311 00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:53,799 that's my 1312 00:57:53,799 --> 00:57:58,200 question mrle so I think that um I'm I'm 1313 00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,240 definitely I'm open to that and I think 1314 00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,760 that what we have to be really approach 1315 00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,960 to this it's not a gotta moment this 1316 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:06,760 doesn't have to be a oh you didn't do a 1317 00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,599 good job in getting people I I don't 1318 00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:12,319 think for a second that Mr Lan is out 1319 00:58:12,319 --> 00:58:17,559 saying oh qualified guys and and and and men and women don't come 1320 00:58:17,559 --> 00:58:18,760 here I don't think that's what he's 1321 00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:22,480 doing he's actually I'm very much uh 1322 00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,760 sure that he is out trying to get 1323 00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:26,520 qualified people to help maintain the 1324 00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,599 service of cities the job market is what 1325 00:58:28,599 --> 00:58:31,319 it is it is a changing job market so a 1326 00:58:31,319 --> 00:58:34,359 lot of this conversation is not about 1327 00:58:34,359 --> 00:58:36,559 necessarily laying on the feet of 1328 00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:39,720 someone around um their inability of 1329 00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,480 effective recruitment but it is 1330 00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,200 recognizing the market that we're in and 1331 00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,480 so then it's like well if we're unable 1332 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,960 to do that with our resources what are 1333 00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:49,400 some of the other things we do and where 1334 00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,359 can we better use this money and I think 1335 00:58:51,359 --> 00:58:53,559 if we approach it from that to the 1336 00:58:53,559 --> 00:58:55,760 mayor's point and I appre appreciate his 1337 00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,799 um flexibility to say hey look if that's 1338 00:58:57,799 --> 00:58:59,559 what we're talking about let's Identify 1339 00:58:59,559 --> 00:59:01,359 some of those positions and then let's 1340 00:59:01,359 --> 00:59:03,480 see if that's a um a feasible way of 1341 00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:04,359 doing 1342 00:59:04,359 --> 00:59:06,400 things I'm just going to say that I 1343 00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,319 think that we get where we start to dig 1344 00:59:08,319 --> 00:59:10,839 our heels in um 1345 00:59:10,839 --> 00:59:13,640 and if what's happening right now isn't 1346 00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,359 working then it 1347 00:59:16,359 --> 00:59:19,039 does you know compel us to have a 1348 00:59:19,039 --> 00:59:21,599 certain level of scrutiny and it's not 1349 00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:23,960 about who did what or didn't do what 1350 00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,079 it's about relying on each other to be 1351 00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:27,640 Innovative to help along with the 1352 00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:29,880 process and I think if we use that lens 1353 00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:31,880 we'll be much better off if not we're 1354 00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:33,079 just going to be sitting here thr in our 1355 00:59:33,079 --> 00:59:49,470 thumbs let's be honest about 1356 00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,920 that well as the finance chair for 1357 00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:58,280 today I I I believe we are yet again at in in mass 1358 00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,400 and I know that we are are frustrated 1359 01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,760 with the prolonged nature of this budget 1360 01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,680 season I guarantee you I would much 1361 01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:07,799 rather be at home looking at my 1362 01:00:07,799 --> 01:00:10,160 daughter's um but this is what the job 1363 01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:14,440 is uh I to digest your new position or I 1364 01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:19,079 guess your your current position uh I 1365 01:00:19,079 --> 01:00:22,319 need time to evaluate I I I I cannot do 1366 01:00:22,319 --> 01:00:24,200 that right on the Fly I I cannot do that 1367 01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:28,470 right as 1368 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,520 so we have heard from depart thank you 1369 01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,280 I'd like to hear about the rest of from 1370 01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:34,880 the rest of the department heads here 1371 01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:38,319 this evening um to explain their need U 1372 01:00:38,319 --> 01:00:40,640 of what they put in the budget and uh 1373 01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,559 how they need it to go forward as the 1374 01:00:42,559 --> 01:00:44,160 mayor presented it so I would like to 1375 01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,720 hear that at least tonight before so you 1376 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,640 can digest that a little bit more we all 1377 01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,079 can well the other two Department I 1378 01:00:51,079 --> 01:00:52,640 think I thought the police chief was 1379 01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,000 here oh there it is um you want to hear 1380 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:56,400 from them again because we did hear from 1381 01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,000 them before and as I said no I they to 1382 01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,000 hear from them again there was a little 1383 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,920 uh confusion last night at last night's 1384 01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,359 meeting about wiggle room and I I would 1385 01:01:04,359 --> 01:01:06,039 just like that that clarified a little 1386 01:01:06,039 --> 01:01:07,799 bit so thank 1387 01:01:07,799 --> 01:01:11,760 you Chief Marina Chief 1388 01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,440 Marina good evening 1389 01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,880 everyone 1390 01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:20,799 um so I just want to be perfectly clear 1391 01:01:20,799 --> 01:01:23,520 uh my position has not wavered from the 1392 01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,520 beginning I tried to make it as clear as 1393 01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:28,599 possible through numerous conversations 1394 01:01:28,599 --> 01:01:30,720 with every member of the council through 1395 01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:32,760 emails through text 1396 01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,119 messages I I'm not sure if I could be 1397 01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:35,880 any 1398 01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:40,760 clear uh we spoke about the overtime at 1399 01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,799 nauseum it is what it is it is 1400 01:01:44,799 --> 01:01:48,039 contractual put in 250,000 that line put 1401 01:01:48,039 --> 01:01:51,279 in 1.5 million that line whatever that 1402 01:01:51,279 --> 01:01:53,160 line is at the end of the year that's 1403 01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,799 what it's going to be no way around that 1404 01:01:56,799 --> 01:01:59,160 uh our issues 1405 01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:02,119 are um our 1406 01:02:02,119 --> 01:02:04,079 vacancies we have 1407 01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:07,240 tried continually to fight and we 1408 01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:11,079 continue we I appreciate 1409 01:02:11,079 --> 01:02:15,079 uh uh Mr Williams comment of how we 1410 01:02:15,079 --> 01:02:16,039 trying to be 1411 01:02:16,039 --> 01:02:20,200 Innovative and we are on we have a we 1412 01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:24,440 have a plan for 2024 to fire up to 14 1413 01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:29,720 people I believe and that is based on 1414 01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:31,920 six positions we put in the budget but 1415 01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,359 also knowing that there will there may 1416 01:02:34,359 --> 01:02:37,760 be some stakings due to 1417 01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,039 retirements I could have put in there 14 1418 01:02:40,039 --> 01:02:42,079 positions and that that line would have 1419 01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:44,640 been astronomical you would 1420 01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,400 walk I'm trying to be a good Ste we the 1421 01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:48,799 fire department we're trying to be good 1422 01:02:48,799 --> 01:02:53,039 stewards of our money so we see that 1423 01:02:53,039 --> 01:02:56,520 ability to take those savings and apply 1424 01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:00,640 it to further fers if we do not hire 1425 01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:01,880 those 1426 01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,359 people we are in a 1427 01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:08,960 world this problem will continue and it 1428 01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,960 will multiply to the point where we just 1429 01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:13,200 won't have 1430 01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,720 people so I 1431 01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,559 probably repeating myself because I 1432 01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:21,000 haven't wigg I don't know what wiggle 1433 01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,279 means I'm not wiggling there is no 1434 01:03:23,279 --> 01:03:25,359 wiggle 1435 01:03:25,359 --> 01:03:27,440 what I have said from the beginning is 1436 01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,119 what I say today the overtime is the 1437 01:03:30,119 --> 01:03:32,200 overtime the vacancies are there they 1438 01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,079 will continue we're trying to take money 1439 01:03:35,079 --> 01:03:38,200 from potential I don't want to call it 1440 01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,480 savings but funds that are there and use 1441 01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,960 it to hire it's complicated uh the 1442 01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,480 assistant chief myself staff we look at 1443 01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:52,390 it we pull our hair out I'm 1444 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:56,319 successful here is it it is a very tough 1445 01:03:56,319 --> 01:03:58,599 thing to do we're on track I think we 1446 01:03:58,599 --> 01:04:02,000 can do it but if that money's gone I 1447 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,039 throw my hands up on to 1448 01:04:04,039 --> 01:04:07,240 do so I I appreciate your comments Chief 1449 01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,839 I would like to direct the council to um 1450 01:04:10,839 --> 01:04:13,880 the inservice training which is a 3411 1451 01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:18,160 406 in our budgets uh the additional uh 1452 01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:19,559 education you're talking about is 1453 01:04:19,559 --> 01:04:21,240 highlighted in respect to sending more 1454 01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:24,039 ENT to school and that's currently where 1455 01:04:24,039 --> 01:04:27,799 that how what page are you on page 27 1456 01:04:27,799 --> 01:04:31,880 thank you the 2023 adopted budget was 1457 01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,559 $113,000 and based on your comments 1458 01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:36,799 previously uh each student is roughly 1459 01:04:36,799 --> 01:04:40,119 $6,000 plus fees which substantiates 1460 01:04:40,119 --> 01:04:43,520 your increase to $45,000 still 1461 01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,440 corre 1462 01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,039 without without having my notes in 1463 01:04:48,039 --> 01:04:49,920 because I always like to distribute 1464 01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:53,400 perfect transparent answers understood 1465 01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:57,760 So based on your desire to train more 1466 01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,480 students um you identified using some 1467 01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,200 funds in other lines to essentially do 1468 01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:05,599 this send more students to school with 1469 01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:08,160 inser training I would say from my 1470 01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,039 perspective digesting 1471 01:05:10,039 --> 01:05:12,720 this that would have been clearly stated 1472 01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,160 if that number was increased to reflect 1473 01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:17,279 your your ask but you're saying you're 1474 01:05:17,279 --> 01:05:19,440 kind of waiting to leverage some other 1475 01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:23,079 positions as they am I still on 1476 01:05:23,079 --> 01:05:25,920 board 1477 01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,680 right based on how I interpreted your 1478 01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:32,000 budget from my 1479 01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:33,960 perspective that that that's what you 1480 01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:35,960 that's that's your investment in 1481 01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,279 education great but depending on what 1482 01:05:38,279 --> 01:05:40,119 number we actually settle on if it's 1483 01:05:40,119 --> 01:05:42,440 nine 1484 01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:46,559 emps that figure you you mentioned is 1485 01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:49,000 just to send them to paramedic school 1486 01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:52,400 great not that doesn't include uh the 1487 01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,680 fire academy and like I said the way we 1488 01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:59,440 approached it was knowing or hoping that 1489 01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:05,359 there was going to be some funds from 1490 01:06:05,359 --> 01:06:07,960 retirements and that money moving around 1491 01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:09,680 that has been done in the 1492 01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,230 past so 1493 01:06:11,230 --> 01:06:13,440 [Music] 1494 01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,319 using 1495 01:06:15,319 --> 01:06:19,400 um the budget is what not what we want 1496 01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:23,000 because if we wanted I I had 1497 01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,839 conversations wanted a couple things and 1498 01:06:25,839 --> 01:06:27,799 it was perfectly clear you're not 1499 01:06:27,799 --> 01:06:30,920 getting what you want buddy so it's what 1500 01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,680 we need and I can stand here honestly 1501 01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,400 and tell you that this is what we need 1502 01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,960 now if you think we should have 1503 01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,799 highlighted that number clearer in 1504 01:06:41,799 --> 01:06:45,720 retrospect maybe but knowing that we 1505 01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:47,039 have that this 1506 01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:49,440 opportunity from people retiring that we 1507 01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,920 will have some available funds so that 1508 01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,559 is what we've been thaning every time I 1509 01:06:54,559 --> 01:06:56,599 hear I think you've gone away from it 1510 01:06:56,599 --> 01:06:58,680 which I appreciate it but every time I 1511 01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:01,400 hear we'll just take those quote unquote 1512 01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,200 savings apply overtime to be honest with 1513 01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,279 you I get a major pit in my stomach 1514 01:07:06,279 --> 01:07:09,279 because that knocks out our Hing plan 1515 01:07:09,279 --> 01:07:11,119 and I'm more than willing to sit down 1516 01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:13,559 with all of you to show you all the 1517 01:07:13,559 --> 01:07:15,000 details on how we're going to try to 1518 01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:19,559 accomplish it and bring some uh 1519 01:07:19,559 --> 01:07:22,960 ad but I think one of the the the word 1520 01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,839 I'd like to highlight is if and I I know 1521 01:07:25,839 --> 01:07:27,359 you're going to make a conscious effort 1522 01:07:27,359 --> 01:07:29,920 to bring those more students in correct 1523 01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,559 but we just heard an account of how 1524 01:07:32,559 --> 01:07:35,039 difficult these expectations are to get 1525 01:07:35,039 --> 01:07:36,960 more staff into these positions so are 1526 01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,319 you able to definitively say that number 1527 01:07:39,319 --> 01:07:41,640 of new students will be an 1528 01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:45,319 Ned if I could be 100% on anything I 1529 01:07:45,319 --> 01:07:47,599 would be here I a 1530 01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:51,599 lot I think we can get to where we want 1531 01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:54,599 to be we're working out the civil 1532 01:07:54,599 --> 01:07:57,400 services has kind of highlighted that 1533 01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:01,000 process that's not an easy process uh 1534 01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:02,559 we've gone through the 1535 01:08:02,559 --> 01:08:05,680 list our hiring process takes any words 1536 01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:07,200 from 5 to six 1537 01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:10,640 months we've started it now I think we 1538 01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:14,000 can get to nine 1539 01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:17,359 EMTs and I'm hoping for four paramedics 1540 01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:18,520 that's the only one that could vary a 1541 01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,719 little bit five maybe you know I doubt 1542 01:08:21,719 --> 01:08:24,640 it three probably I'm shooting in the 1543 01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,239 middle before 1544 01:08:27,239 --> 01:08:30,359 um we have an opportunity this year and 1545 01:08:30,359 --> 01:08:33,000 it's a one time only opportunity to have 1546 01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:35,159 two different paramedic classes the 1547 01:08:35,159 --> 01:08:37,600 traditional class that starts in 1548 01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,279 August and there is another class that 1549 01:08:40,279 --> 01:08:44,480 starts in February due to another fire 1550 01:08:44,480 --> 01:08:47,159 department um that just hire a whole 1551 01:08:47,159 --> 01:08:49,359 bunch of people but they started at 21 1552 01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:51,880 they're down to 17 now or 16 and they're 1553 01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:55,400 sending them to a class of all their own 1554 01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:57,640 so being that they went from 21 to 16 1555 01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:59,880 there's some opportunity for us to get 1556 01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:02,839 some people in there so because of that 1557 01:09:02,839 --> 01:09:06,040 we're willing to Pivot normally we send 1558 01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:07,839 it to the fire academy then paramedic 1559 01:09:07,839 --> 01:09:10,480 school for five we're willing to go 1560 01:09:10,480 --> 01:09:12,719 paramedic school first and then the 1561 01:09:12,719 --> 01:09:15,480 academy that presents some 1562 01:09:15,480 --> 01:09:20,040 challenges which we've got to be get on the people that we hire we've got to 1563 01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:22,440 be as certain as possible that they can 1564 01:09:22,440 --> 01:09:25,199 go through the rigers this is no CLE 1565 01:09:25,199 --> 01:09:27,560 paramedic school is extremely difficult 1566 01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:30,719 and the academy is very similar to boot 1567 01:09:30,719 --> 01:09:34,120 camp there's no guarantees of anything 1568 01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:37,120 right that's all I'm highlighting that 1569 01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:40,040 these are opportunities not guarantees 1570 01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,199 so that is where we're going to take our 1571 01:09:42,199 --> 01:09:44,960 best shot it's not we're just closing 1572 01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,520 our eyes and drawing dos and picking and 1573 01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:49,000 chief we're bringing them through the 1574 01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,679 rivers TR right people it's truly worth 1575 01:09:51,679 --> 01:09:52,960 noting that our fire department is 1576 01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:54,719 second to none as the mayor consistently 1577 01:09:54,719 --> 01:09:57,080 says for a reason and that is due to the 1578 01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:00,159 quality of uh paramax and firefighters 1579 01:10:00,159 --> 01:10:02,080 that exist so that is something that is 1580 01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,239 non available I I appreciate your 1581 01:10:04,239 --> 01:10:06,719 comments and that goes to the men and 1582 01:10:06,719 --> 01:10:08,120 women that we put on the street every 1583 01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:09,960 day they are 1584 01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:13,640 fallowing they face a lot of things that 1585 01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:15,920 are unmentionable and they show up and 1586 01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:16,960 they're there every day and they're 1587 01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:18,120 working 1588 01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:20,960 over I stand Here proud of them and I 1589 01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:22,480 hope that every member of this council 1590 01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:24,440 is proud of them also 1591 01:10:24,440 --> 01:10:26,280 I think just my position is as I 1592 01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,880 collectively uh assess the opportunities 1593 01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:30,719 that exist throughout this 1594 01:10:30,719 --> 01:10:33,600 budget that is where I stand right here 1595 01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:35,400 but I think for your 1596 01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:44,640 coms hopefully I'm clear I try to be 1597 01:10:44,650 --> 01:10:50,630 [Music] 1598 01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,640 clear I apologize for my appearance um 1599 01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,719 I'm going over to disc connected the wi 1600 01:10:55,719 --> 01:10:57,760 boards influencing change meeting later 1601 01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,719 so I have to leave right after this so 1602 01:11:00,719 --> 01:11:02,640 I'm not sure exactly what what the 1603 01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:04,040 question is that you want me to respond 1604 01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:06,080 to um just 1605 01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:10,239 your the positions 1606 01:11:10,239 --> 01:11:14,080 open oh let me just find in here uh so 1607 01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:18,080 you have a position for 1608 01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:21,280 um let me 1609 01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:24,480 find I think a health desk specialist is 1610 01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:28,400 that you uh IPS no 1611 01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:32,800 ips3 and off uh 12 vacant controlled 1612 01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:35,600 officers as well as a dog controlled 1613 01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,760 officer so I just want to know uh 1614 01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:40,679 keeping those positions open in that 1615 01:11:40,679 --> 01:11:43,760 those finances there um are you you need 1616 01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,679 all those positions um the fs3 job is 1617 01:11:46,679 --> 01:11:48,840 currently filled right now that job is 1618 01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,800 being um is being is assisting us with 1619 01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,400 our control P little while um so that 1620 01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:57,320 job is right now the open control 1621 01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:00,800 officer class is actually up to 13 now 1622 01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,679 um I just got word today that our list 1623 01:12:03,679 --> 01:12:05,400 through civil service will be available 1624 01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:07,520 next week so we're we're already 1625 01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:09,960 clearing up with canvasing that thanks I 1626 01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:12,199 highly doubt we'll be able to take on 13 1627 01:12:12,199 --> 01:12:14,000 new officers we're going to try to 1628 01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,000 figure out what a manageable number is 1629 01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:17,520 but we do have a new list so we're 1630 01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,400 hopeful that we'll be able to get as 1631 01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:22,840 many officers as we can Animal control 1632 01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:25,080 officer that's a that's a work in 1633 01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:26,679 progress if anybody knows anybody we 1634 01:12:26,679 --> 01:12:29,239 really need a second one our current 1635 01:12:29,239 --> 01:12:31,000 Animal control officer is doing a great 1636 01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,760 job um but would be good to have one on 1637 01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:37,159 another shift it is a job that's 1638 01:12:37,159 --> 01:12:41,950 important 1639 01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:45,320 and and as far as your overtime that's 1640 01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:48,560 spe specifically what you need to carry 1641 01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,960 out it's it's consistent with years past 1642 01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:55,120 that we spent and you know I I pointed 1643 01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,280 out to a couple people that I spoken to 1644 01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:00,280 that it's remained consistent for the 1645 01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:01,639 most part even though we've gotten 1646 01:13:01,639 --> 01:13:03,120 raises over the last few years so I 1647 01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:04,920 think overall we've actually spent less 1648 01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:08,080 overtime hours over the year but 1649 01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:09,800 nevertheless the money stays the same 1650 01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,040 it's it's right where we are until we 1651 01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:14,520 become fly staff which we never really 1652 01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,639 become fly staff as uh as the May 1653 01:13:17,639 --> 01:13:19,960 pointed out earlier but um we 1654 01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:22,960 continuously try to and that's why we 1655 01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:27,270 need 1656 01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,239 um so Chief um appreciate the 1657 01:13:29,239 --> 01:13:31,040 information and she said yes the 1658 01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:33,800 overtime budget is is it you explain why 1659 01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:37,239 but it has on every year consistently so 1660 01:13:37,239 --> 01:13:39,520 um so with that what we hear from the 1661 01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:43,280 public and there always the concerns 1662 01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:45,920 um given the amount of over time that's 1663 01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:48,920 being asked in say we get to that how 1664 01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:51,600 can we expect um an increase in response 1665 01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:53,719 time because that is what one of the 1666 01:13:53,719 --> 01:13:56,080 reasons you say that overtime is needed 1667 01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:58,120 but then on the other but I'm also 1668 01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:00,120 hearing from you as well from the public 1669 01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:02,360 that we saying calls really stacked up 1670 01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:04,800 so I was just wondering how that 1671 01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:08,440 coincides and how we with given it the 1672 01:14:08,440 --> 01:14:10,280 overtime budget requested you're going 1673 01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:14,000 to be able to read that these are things 1674 01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:15,400 that we're working on that's one of the 1675 01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:18,560 reasons that we working with transfinder 1676 01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:20,120 to develop control finder so our 1677 01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:21,960 officers have a better idea calls 1678 01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,880 waiting we're working other technologies 1679 01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:26,719 that can help us with that I mean but at 1680 01:14:26,719 --> 01:14:28,400 the end of the day you 1681 01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:31,679 know every we we don't work in a vacuum 1682 01:14:31,679 --> 01:14:34,960 um we we handled 75,000 calls last year 1683 01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:37,560 it's 200 calls a day to do the math in 1684 01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:39,920 your head um and we're probably going to 1685 01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:41,960 exceed that number this year um I think 1686 01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,239 Year date when I asked over a month ago 1687 01:14:44,239 --> 01:14:48,080 we're over 60,000 calls so and we handle 1688 01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:52,520 a lot of calls as more calls come in as technology increases the ability for 1689 01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,239 people to call us they're doing it and 1690 01:14:55,239 --> 01:14:57,280 um you know we have to respond to these 1691 01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:00,400 to certain calls and you know as the 1692 01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:02,440 calls go up the need for officers goes 1693 01:15:02,440 --> 01:15:04,760 up we don't have those officers to send 1694 01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:07,199 so that's why people wait um the the 1695 01:15:07,199 --> 01:15:10,000 other thing is is that you know our 1696 01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,639 unified Communication Center does a 1697 01:15:11,639 --> 01:15:14,679 great job over there um but they have 1698 01:15:14,679 --> 01:15:17,320 staffing issues themselves so sometimes 1699 01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:19,920 people waiting on the line is not uh 1700 01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:21,400 indicative of what we're doing at the 1701 01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:23,480 police department but their operation 1702 01:15:23,480 --> 01:15:25,600 over there and they're limited Staffing 1703 01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:28,840 and they also have we've we're uh we're 1704 01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:30,360 in constant communication with them 1705 01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:32,560 they're very responsive to us and 1706 01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:34,199 recognize their challenges so we're not 1707 01:15:34,199 --> 01:15:36,120 I'm not laying blame on them but it's 1708 01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:38,530 just another factor to take into 1709 01:15:38,530 --> 01:15:40,480 [Music] 1710 01:15:40,480 --> 01:15:46,040 consideration 1711 01:15:46,050 --> 01:15:48,280 [Music] 1712 01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:52,189 thank than 1713 01:15:52,199 --> 01:15:54,800 you 1714 01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:56,560 did you have any other questions Mr T 1715 01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:57,700 points to 1716 01:15:57,700 --> 01:15:59,639 [Music] 1717 01:15:59,639 --> 01:16:02,880 verify I would like to hear 1718 01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:08,480 um you know you say me has way what's 1719 01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:10,960 your plans to address the structural 1720 01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:16,189 deficits that are in in this 1721 01:16:16,199 --> 01:16:19,120 plan what plan are you referring 1722 01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:22,520 to we'll just go with the 50% one the 1723 01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:24,840 fees are 50% because those are the 1724 01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,920 latest papers because it's confusing 1725 01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,790 with all 1726 01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:34,000 the are you talking about the board the 1727 01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:35,880 50 or which 1728 01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:39,220 50% the last plan that uh 1729 01:16:39,220 --> 01:16:40,520 [Music] 1730 01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:44,400 you group had put on the table was a 50% 1731 01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:48,760 fee for water water and sewer but 1732 01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:51,280 inherent in that as well as the other 1733 01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,280 aspects of the budget are structural 1734 01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:56,400 deficits how do you plan to address 1735 01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,520 those right now we're trying to fill 1736 01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:00,080 that budget gap which we came up with 1737 01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:01,480 yesterday 1738 01:17:01,480 --> 01:17:04,040 777000 and I'm going forward I know that 1739 01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:05,280 we're going to have to continue look at 1740 01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:08,880 the budget um Mr col so right now we're 1741 01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:11,560 trying to not only increase water and 1742 01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,120 sore 50% we are definitely looking at 1743 01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:15,199 taking some of the money from the 1744 01:17:15,199 --> 01:17:18,920 reserves we are we already stuss that 1745 01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:22,560 and um and by removing some of the 1746 01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:25,639 positions that we are not currently 1747 01:17:25,639 --> 01:17:27,280 filled or have not been filled 1748 01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,280 consistently getting set number so that 1749 01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:32,000 we can pass this budget so and and 1750 01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,159 additionally from from my perspective 1751 01:17:34,159 --> 01:17:36,000 that quarterly we should be looking at 1752 01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,159 what our spending looks like what we 1753 01:17:38,159 --> 01:17:40,080 ultimately do is at the end of the year 1754 01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,360 we sit around this table um and have 1755 01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:44,600 this discussion so part for me part of 1756 01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:48,280 it is as we go through next year that we 1757 01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:50,239 continue to look at it and see where we 1758 01:17:50,239 --> 01:17:51,840 are what we do differently and how we 1759 01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:53,960 can increase our Revenue I have one 1760 01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:55,360 thought that it's not something that the 1761 01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:58,239 mayor um is part of but it's it's um 1762 01:17:58,239 --> 01:18:00,400 something that you know I would be 1763 01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:02,840 discussing with the individuals who do 1764 01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:06,719 that and see you know that we could have 1765 01:18:06,719 --> 01:18:09,639 increased Revenue there but that doesn't 1766 01:18:09,639 --> 01:18:12,440 answer I mean I'm very specific because 1767 01:18:12,440 --> 01:18:14,760 that's my you you all want to know what 1768 01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:16,639 my thing my thing is a structural 1769 01:18:16,639 --> 01:18:19,600 deficit so how do you how do you plan on 1770 01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:24,000 addressing I just for sake of of having 1771 01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:28,000 a civil conversation um you're saying 1772 01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:31,800 like that you all put together or you 1773 01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:33,880 all are bringing I'm not sure exactly 1774 01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:37,920 who you all is um council members and I 1775 01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:42,280 speak for myself um are uh clearly uh 1776 01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:44,360 capable of independent thought and I 1777 01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:46,159 think that I just would ask for you to 1778 01:18:46,159 --> 01:18:48,600 be a little more specific or just talk 1779 01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:49,639 to whatever council members you're 1780 01:18:49,639 --> 01:18:51,040 addressing because I would say it would 1781 01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:55,000 be Mr mood Mr Williams and Miss 1782 01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,920 Porterfield seem to have come with that 1783 01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:00,440 plan that's where I'm coming with the U 1784 01:19:00,440 --> 01:19:03,560 all now I may be incorrect in that but 1785 01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:05,800 that's the way it's been projected okay 1786 01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:08,440 so what my only suggestion would just be 1787 01:19:08,440 --> 01:19:09,840 to be a little more specific because I 1788 01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:11,400 don't want to you 1789 01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:14,320 know that might not accurately represent 1790 01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:15,960 the process that's happening here and I 1791 01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:17,120 think that that 1792 01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:20,280 can put us back into a place where we're 1793 01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:24,480 trying to move out of it thank you 1794 01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:26,000 so do you want to detail what you mean 1795 01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,719 by the structural deficit yeah you're 1796 01:19:28,719 --> 01:19:31,400 taking away 50% of the fees so you're 1797 01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:33,520 inherently creating a deficit in the 1798 01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:36,440 water and sewage any changes you make 1799 01:19:36,440 --> 01:19:40,639 into the budget in terms of uh positions 1800 01:19:40,639 --> 01:19:44,480 is a onetime position to reduce the fees 1801 01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:47,080 and then you now have that deficit built 1802 01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:50,520 in and you're also creating a situation 1803 01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:53,239 where if you do hire then you also have 1804 01:19:53,239 --> 01:19:57,080 that built in as a ACC so there's we're 1805 01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:59,920 looking at 7.4 let's just say for 1806 01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:02,159 Giggles it's 35 1807 01:20:02,159 --> 01:20:04,719 million you build in 1808 01:20:04,719 --> 01:20:09,000 these deficits you're looking at roughly 1809 01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,920 five five a half million how are you 1810 01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:13,360 going to address 1811 01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,679 that well first of all mayor said that 1812 01:20:15,679 --> 01:20:17,239 deficit is not coming next your his 1813 01:20:17,239 --> 01:20:19,560 words not mine and in terms of ring the 1814 01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:21,639 positions Mr col we haven't filled them 1815 01:20:21,639 --> 01:20:24,600 for years we've said that so that's I I 1816 01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:26,000 think I don't think that point that 1817 01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,320 point can be argued or even needs to be 1818 01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:30,440 discussed any further sure it is because 1819 01:20:30,440 --> 01:20:32,880 if you have $5 million worth of 1820 01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:36,120 positions that don't get filled and we 1821 01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:38,760 go through the season and we end up with 1822 01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:42,719 either a deficit or a let's say we had a 1823 01:20:42,719 --> 01:20:45,880 $2.5 million surplus a couple years ago 1824 01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:48,840 we had $5 million worth of positions if 1825 01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:51,000 we didn't if we had filled all those 5 1826 01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:52,920 million positions we would have had a 1827 01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:56,880 $2.5 million deficit mhm that's a 1828 01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,280 deficit situation but first of all um 1829 01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:02,360 and if you take those away then you have 1830 01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:04,719 that situation well it's it's not that 1831 01:21:04,719 --> 01:21:06,679 many vacancies first of all that we're 1832 01:21:06,679 --> 01:21:09,239 talking about but it's 3 million it's 1833 01:21:09,239 --> 01:21:11,520 probably 3 1834 01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:13,560 million I don't know it's 3 million 1835 01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:15,320 because they haven't we we asked for the 1836 01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:17,520 number we have the number here except we 1837 01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:21,000 have 2.5 in vacancies we said that we're 1838 01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:23,639 not going to uh looking at keeping the 1839 01:21:23,639 --> 01:21:25,280 police and fire in there so that 1840 01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:29,310 significantly reduces that 1841 01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:34,679 number you reduc the fire um fire and 1842 01:21:34,679 --> 01:21:45,160 Patrol officers who approximately 1843 01:21:45,170 --> 01:21:46,960 [Music] 1844 01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:49,679 1.4 I was this talking there my numbers 1845 01:21:49,679 --> 01:21:51,639 are pretty 1846 01:21:51,639 --> 01:22:00,030 close 1847 01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,560 [Music] 1848 01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:05,400 so I can say for myself specifically um 1849 01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:07,719 I think I've been clear on my position 1850 01:22:07,719 --> 01:22:08,600 with 1851 01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:11,159 vacancies I think it is comparative that 1852 01:22:11,159 --> 01:22:14,840 we adjust how we hire and recruit is 1853 01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:16,960 naturally I think the way that our 1854 01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:18,360 budget that has been previously 1855 01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:20,840 submitted if you have unfilled positions 1856 01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:22,600 those funds return to the fund balance 1857 01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:25,159 is that correct I feel until the city 1858 01:22:25,159 --> 01:22:27,520 can put forth a considered effort to to 1859 01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:30,560 hire into these vacancies I think it is 1860 01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:34,600 beneficial uh for the city residents to 1861 01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:37,120 reap some of the benefits of that now 1862 01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,320 after hearing from our finance 1863 01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:42,960 department uh that benefit comes at a 1864 01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:44,600 cost which potentially could put in 1865 01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:47,560 Jeopardy our uh Bond reading that so 1866 01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:49,600 correct that's right which is where my 1867 01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:51,840 position then shifted because I do not 1868 01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:54,920 want to MH completely under May 1869 01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:56,960 McCarthy's efforts to manage the city 1870 01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:59,040 appropriately and that is where my 50% 1871 01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,960 came from however if we get to a 1872 01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:03,440 standpoint where we can accurately 1873 01:23:03,440 --> 01:23:07,920 evaluate and truly say that there are no 1874 01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:09,840 other concessions that we can make to 1875 01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:12,480 how we redefine these roles to increase 1876 01:23:12,480 --> 01:23:14,960 our staffing then that number is what it 1877 01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:17,400 is ladies and gentlemen and then we need 1878 01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:19,600 to then take a hard look at what those 1879 01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:23,120 fees have to reflect um but until we do 1880 01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:26,880 that I've identified that those uh the 1881 01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:31,550 fund balance should be used in that 1882 01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:34,040 manner well I'll ask again how do you 1883 01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:42,709 plan to address the structural 1884 01:23:42,719 --> 01:23:44,880 deficits so you're stating that if we 1885 01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:46,239 don't increase the water fees then we're 1886 01:23:46,239 --> 01:23:47,639 going to have a structural deficit and 1887 01:23:47,639 --> 01:23:49,600 then next year since they continually go 1888 01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:50,600 up we're going to be in the same 1889 01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:52,440 position so continually every year we 1890 01:23:52,440 --> 01:23:54,800 will not only will will increase the 1891 01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:58,639 fees or Actual taxes um on the taxpayers 1892 01:23:58,639 --> 01:24:00,159 is what you're saying you will be in a 1893 01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:02,760 worse position next year and the years 1894 01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:06,320 after because it's exponential impact 1895 01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:08,600 and all you're going to end up doing is 1896 01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:10,800 uh creating a situation where taxes and 1897 01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,480 fees will have to go up so much that 1898 01:24:13,480 --> 01:24:16,600 this increase will look small I I 1899 01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:18,480 completely agree with you there's no way 1900 01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:21,520 I mean I really have spent so much time 1901 01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:23,080 and I really think that that is what's 1902 01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:24,679 going to happen that next year we would 1903 01:24:24,679 --> 01:24:27,880 have to have a tax increase that would 1904 01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:29,480 really hurt our 1905 01:24:29,480 --> 01:24:32,280 residents and I think I mean again i' 1906 01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:34,800 I've been here what this is my fourth 1907 01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:36,560 budget or my third budget must be my 1908 01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:38,840 fourth budget but I mean you all before 1909 01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:40,679 me had done a nice job too I mean the 1910 01:24:40,679 --> 01:24:42,800 thing has been either level or going 1911 01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:45,440 down slightly for at least six years 1912 01:24:45,440 --> 01:24:47,719 maybe seven on the 1913 01:24:47,719 --> 01:24:51,360 taxes um so but next 1914 01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:55,360 year would be hugee right I mean that do 1915 01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:58,520 you agree with that next year a year 1916 01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:05,229 after it's an exponential 1917 01:25:05,239 --> 01:25:09,040 impact just can address Paul F Paul 1918 01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:11,239 before last year we did a first raise of 1919 01:25:11,239 --> 01:25:13,040 water and sore how many years did we not 1920 01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:15,080 raise water and sore I think it was at 1921 01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:17,480 least three or four years we four years 1922 01:25:17,480 --> 01:25:19,199 then we had one and then you go back I 1923 01:25:19,199 --> 01:25:20,360 think it was three years and we didn't 1924 01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:23,560 have any where cost of living goes up 1925 01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:25,880 every year we know that CPI we've tried 1926 01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:27,560 to do our best to hold rates down as 1927 01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:29,920 much as we can it comes to a point now 1928 01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:32,119 where you know some things 1929 01:25:32,119 --> 01:25:34,400 have created an issue where we need to 1930 01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:38,480 raise our rates a $700,000 p service has 1931 01:25:38,480 --> 01:25:41,480 to be repaid for the next 30 years if 1932 01:25:41,480 --> 01:25:43,159 you take it out of your reserves it's 1933 01:25:43,159 --> 01:25:45,239 still there next year what do you 1934 01:25:45,239 --> 01:25:49,520 do it's I mean we have some of the best 1935 01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:51,239 water around we have a great supply of 1936 01:25:51,239 --> 01:25:53,360 water we run on a great wastewater 1937 01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:55,880 treatment plant um we all know 1938 01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:58,080 infrastructure is a it's a it's a costly 1939 01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:02,840 subject it's kind of here and we we bear 1940 01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:06,280 those costs and we to get that money 1941 01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:08,119 either Rec through 1942 01:26:08,119 --> 01:26:10,320 borrowing it's a dent service we pay 1943 01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:13,280 back or emergency repairs come out of 1944 01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:15,960 Reserve funds which we know we have we 1945 01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:18,679 had big repairs over the past years a 1946 01:26:18,679 --> 01:26:22,679 water man bre that broke over um 890 get 1947 01:26:22,679 --> 01:26:26,400 to school um few years back to B cost 1948 01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:30,480 well over a million dollars to rep 1949 01:26:30,480 --> 01:26:33,840 um how much did the chemicals and sludge 1950 01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:36,880 hauling sludge hauling has gone up 1951 01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:41,280 considerably was just under $100 112 we 1952 01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:46,360 up to 212 now we got to did a new RFP to 1953 01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:47,480 get it down to 1954 01:26:47,480 --> 01:26:50,719 $155 we do roughly 10,500 tons a year of 1955 01:26:50,719 --> 01:26:53,600 sledge and 15 $5 a 1956 01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:57,040 p it's it's a lot of money 50% increase 1957 01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:59,920 right chemicals have g off considerably 1958 01:26:59,920 --> 01:27:07,960 these are uncontrollable cost that we we deal with it's you know energy cost 1959 01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:11,159 L um everything has gone up in the 1960 01:27:11,159 --> 01:27:12,679 operations of the wastewater treatment 1961 01:27:12,679 --> 01:27:14,880 plant store division for the water 1962 01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:18,199 treatment plant and at the same time we 1963 01:27:18,199 --> 01:27:19,960 have to constantly be looking at making 1964 01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:23,679 upgrad because again um we're planning 1965 01:27:23,679 --> 01:27:25,800 for the future we want that water supply 1966 01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:28,000 we want the resiliency of being able to 1967 01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:30,760 turn our faucets on and have water every 1968 01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:36,280 day those plans are are always there we 1969 01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:38,440 just did the wells we're doing flation 1970 01:27:38,440 --> 01:27:40,760 now and in the the Final Phase will be 1971 01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:43,239 the well houses and all the equipment um 1972 01:27:43,239 --> 01:27:45,119 that's to ensure that we have you a 1973 01:27:45,119 --> 01:27:46,159 supply of 1974 01:27:46,159 --> 01:27:48,719 water and on the waste water side to 1975 01:27:48,719 --> 01:27:50,880 treat everything prior to going into the 1976 01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:54,000 MK River where down street just like Le 1977 01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:55,840 are pulling water off for drinking water 1978 01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:59,239 we're fortunate enough to have the 1979 01:27:59,239 --> 01:28:01,520 aqua our cost would be considerably 1980 01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:02,840 higher if we didn't have an aquafer we 1981 01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:05,159 had put water out a river we be creating 1982 01:28:05,159 --> 01:28:08,239 water so we're fortunate in some ways 1983 01:28:08,239 --> 01:28:10,800 but again our costs go up every 1984 01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:13,920 year and sply this to our 1985 01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,080 taxpayers nobody wants to like you said 1986 01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:18,600 nobody wants to raise rates but it's the 1987 01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:20,679 cost of doing 1988 01:28:20,679 --> 01:28:26,750 business some has to pay for 1989 01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:29,159 it but then most importantly someone has 1990 01:28:29,159 --> 01:28:31,480 to do the job to make sure that those 1991 01:28:31,480 --> 01:28:33,560 systems are still operational and what 1992 01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:36,440 we've seen in this budget are consistent 1993 01:28:36,440 --> 01:28:39,199 increases to our fees for services and 1994 01:28:39,199 --> 01:28:42,159 also positions um so I think that's 1995 01:28:42,159 --> 01:28:46,080 where the struggle truly is is you keep 1996 01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:47,560 going after positions but these are the 1997 01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:49,840 positions we need I hear you say that 1998 01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:51,600 they've been there for years there will 1999 01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:54,000 always be open positions people come 2000 01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:57,239 people go they retire they're terminated 2001 01:28:57,239 --> 01:28:58,880 they leave for other positions they'll 2002 01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:01,440 always be open positions we do our best 2003 01:29:01,440 --> 01:29:04,800 to fill them and we have agreements in 2004 01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:08,639 place with the bargain un that has a you 2005 01:29:08,639 --> 01:29:10,800 an opportunity for people to come in and 2006 01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:13,199 grow and whether they're in the Parks or 2007 01:29:13,199 --> 01:29:16,280 the streets you know they're MOS they 2008 01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:18,280 all work together they have the same 2009 01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:20,000 qualifications with regards to civil 2010 01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:23,719 service it's the same job title it's the 2011 01:29:23,719 --> 01:29:26,119 same job description the biggest 2012 01:29:26,119 --> 01:29:28,719 requirement is the CDL license without 2013 01:29:28,719 --> 01:29:31,000 the CDL license I can't put anybody in a 2014 01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:34,960 truck to drive 2015 01:29:34,970 --> 01:29:46,470 [Music] 2016 01:29:46,480 --> 01:29:50,960 it so I think hearing from Miss Patrick 2017 01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:54,520 and then in some May Mr Toro and Mr Pini 2018 01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:57,199 uh sta stances 2019 01:29:57,199 --> 01:30:00,040 of standing behind the mayor's proposed 2020 01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:00,960 budget 2021 01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:02,880 correct so I'd 2022 01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:06,600 say he's he's I think I'm willing to 2023 01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:09,159 make I want my question answer about the 2024 01:30:09,159 --> 01:30:11,119 structural deficits I have yet to get an 2025 01:30:11,119 --> 01:30:13,440 answer on that I'm willing to address 2026 01:30:13,440 --> 01:30:17,159 Some Cuts here or there but I've not 2027 01:30:17,159 --> 01:30:19,199 gotten an answer to my question you guys 2028 01:30:19,199 --> 01:30:22,119 ask questions all the time you know 2029 01:30:22,119 --> 01:30:23,800 that's an important one how are we going 2030 01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:25,639 to deal with the structural deficits 2031 01:30:25,639 --> 01:30:27,239 because it's only going to cause the 2032 01:30:27,239 --> 01:30:30,199 problem to be much more worse in a year 2033 01:30:30,199 --> 01:30:33,590 two three years down the 2034 01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:36,880 world I would say before before I would 2035 01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:38,520 say part of it is considering your 2036 01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:40,639 stance with a cautious optimism because 2037 01:30:40,639 --> 01:30:42,880 if I remember correctly that was your 2038 01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:46,239 previous narrative last year and the the 2039 01:30:46,239 --> 01:30:49,239 city's not it's not on fire and I think 2040 01:30:49,239 --> 01:30:51,560 the language in which she used which was 2041 01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:56,440 very insightful or gu very incendiary I 2042 01:30:56,440 --> 01:30:58,840 think was was how I was presented with 2043 01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:01,360 my first budget of if you do not approve 2044 01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:03,480 100% of what the mayor is saying or if 2045 01:31:03,480 --> 01:31:06,400 you do not have this uh uh lines in 2046 01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:09,760 order um you are running the city into a 2047 01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:13,520 brick wall and I although we are at in 2048 01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:17,719 impass yet again I don't think that's where we currently are um I think 2049 01:31:17,719 --> 01:31:19,800 we're more or less trying to understand 2050 01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:22,600 how do we marginally increase 2051 01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:25,480 where we're not having to jump more more 2052 01:31:25,480 --> 01:31:28,040 steps next year because the fact is the 2053 01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:29,600 money's got to come from somewhere it's 2054 01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:31,560 going to come from the fund balance that 2055 01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:34,000 fund balance goes down significantly 2056 01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:36,400 gets below $6 million the bond rating 2057 01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:39,199 goes down costs go up even further 2058 01:31:39,199 --> 01:31:42,719 couple uh incidents and the the reserves 2059 01:31:42,719 --> 01:31:45,080 are gone and the city's bankrupt that's 2060 01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:48,560 not hyperbole that's reality Am I Wrong 2061 01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:51,800 Mr Ferrari so so I think the question 2062 01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:53,760 then would be um you said that you were 2063 01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:55,760 support that you would support some C 2064 01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:58,280 where what areas would you support those 2065 01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:01,000 I've made those last night with the uh 2066 01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:03,560 the clerk's office I think the uh the 2067 01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:06,520 council's salary increase as well as the 2068 01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:09,520 benefits those are those are some 2069 01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:13,719 starters um you know but other other 2070 01:32:13,719 --> 01:32:16,159 areas I mean code enforcement is a 2071 01:32:16,159 --> 01:32:18,920 revenue line why would we cut those 2072 01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:22,639 individuals the uh some of these I think 2073 01:32:22,639 --> 01:32:24,040 are Grant 2074 01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:27,679 positions the uh some of them are just 2075 01:32:27,679 --> 01:32:31,040 plain needed so you know I'm willing to 2076 01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:33,320 listen but I put out some suggestions 2077 01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:36,040 and so that that that's why I think 2078 01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:37,520 where the productive conversation can 2079 01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:40,119 happen so you were 2080 01:32:40,119 --> 01:32:42,360 saying the position in the clerk's 2081 01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:43,880 office 2082 01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:47,960 and the uh increase for the council is 2083 01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:49,560 where where else cuz I know that that's 2084 01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:51,440 pretty on the scale of what we're 2085 01:32:51,440 --> 01:32:53,159 talking talking about that's pretty well 2086 01:32:53,159 --> 01:32:55,080 we're not going my view we're not 2087 01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:56,920 there's no way to get the 2088 01:32:56,920 --> 01:33:00,119 777 can I can I just sorry didn't mean 2089 01:33:00,119 --> 01:33:03,520 to tr no no no just jump right in well I 2090 01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:05,400 just do want to say that that is part of 2091 01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:06,960 what happened to me this afternoon I 2092 01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:09,040 must say that I mean thinking about last 2093 01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:12,119 night in particular I mean I just felt 2094 01:33:12,119 --> 01:33:13,159 like we 2095 01:33:13,159 --> 01:33:17,719 were going over the same lines over and over again and when you look at 2096 01:33:17,719 --> 01:33:20,679 the money it was it was it just was 2097 01:33:20,679 --> 01:33:24,880 minuscule in terms of some of the so 2098 01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:26,320 that's where I thought I think I just 2099 01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:28,400 felt like we were spinning our wheels so 2100 01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:29,920 that's really what happened to me this 2101 01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:33,080 afternoon as I was red digesting 2102 01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:36,800 everything that we 2103 01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:40,360 discussed but I'm no you 2104 01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:43,320 know I mean I think we'd have to have 2105 01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:45,800 like huge chunks you know um we'd have 2106 01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:49,040 to look for huge chunks of of funding 2107 01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:51,760 here so if we're taking out the so so in 2108 01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:53,199 terms of you're saying it's new school 2109 01:33:53,199 --> 01:33:54,560 what they provided from us for the 2110 01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:57,000 finance department is all the vacant 2111 01:33:57,000 --> 01:34:00,880 positions who taking out fire employe so 2112 01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:02,920 um it's been said that it's there's 1.4 2113 01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:04,119 million so that's not really to 2114 01:34:04,119 --> 01:34:07,000 minuscule if and we're trying to get to 2115 01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:10,199 777000 to Mr pin's Point your your 2116 01:34:10,199 --> 01:34:12,880 recommendations in terms of the council 2117 01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:16,560 um there was uh the a was agreed on but 2118 01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:18,560 there was a council member who who was 2119 01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:22,960 very clear about the um about the uh 2120 01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:25,760 me about the 2121 01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:28,800 insurance yeah and um and also you know 2122 01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:30,840 I will I'll speak up about the clerk's 2123 01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:32,239 office we only when we think about the 2124 01:34:32,239 --> 01:34:33,560 clerk's office we only think about the 2125 01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:35,840 clerk sitting here doing the work that 2126 01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:37,960 for the council however the I've been in 2127 01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:39,360 there and the clerk's office does a lot 2128 01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:41,360 of work and serves the public and I say 2129 01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:43,760 I would say very well I would just um 2130 01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:45,239 say that I had people who have 2131 01:34:45,239 --> 01:34:48,360 complimented um the people the offices 2132 01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:49,840 the folks office as well as other 2133 01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:51,560 offices where they have to interact with 2134 01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:53,840 public so I think that we have um public 2135 01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:55,920 facing offices that are doing a great 2136 01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:57,960 job that we don't lessen their ability 2137 01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:00,440 to do the job and M Mike who stated last 2138 01:35:00,440 --> 01:35:02,080 night that there additional duties that 2139 01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:06,360 had been assigned to her office so 2140 01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:09,400 um and and that which brings in more 2141 01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:11,159 Revenue thank you for telling me that so 2142 01:35:11,159 --> 01:35:13,480 but the revenue line has been 2143 01:35:13,480 --> 01:35:16,119 flat it's going to be bringing in more 2144 01:35:16,119 --> 01:35:17,560 because we're going to be putting things 2145 01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:20,000 online right and if we do more of that 2146 01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,639 we can eliminate some of the positions 2147 01:35:22,639 --> 01:35:27,149 and get more 2148 01:35:27,159 --> 01:35:30,080 efficient um thank you for everyone's 2149 01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:32,520 opinion so I I'm just that Mr Ferrari 2150 01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:35,400 and and and there provided to us today 2151 01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:37,719 what positions here that haven't been 2152 01:35:37,719 --> 01:35:39,840 filled in a year two years a couple of 2153 01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:42,000 years whatever are you recommending that 2154 01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:44,719 we cut all all these other positions to 2155 01:35:44,719 --> 01:35:47,840 get to the 770 I I'm just curious well 2156 01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:50,320 it would need to be off had I'm sorry it 2157 01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:52,239 would not need to be 2158 01:35:52,239 --> 01:35:55,400 right but um so minus minus police at 2159 01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:59,679 795 fire 384 Animal Control at 2160 01:35:59,679 --> 01:36:01,880 355 and I would like to keep all the 2161 01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:05,040 meos at 671 I mean what what positions 2162 01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:06,960 are I I'm not looking to cut any 2163 01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:08,920 position because I think the budget 2164 01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:11,719 presented to us again is a good budget 2165 01:36:11,719 --> 01:36:13,480 but what what are you recommending that 2166 01:36:13,480 --> 01:36:16,000 we cut at this point so maybe we can you 2167 01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:18,159 know think about a little something else 2168 01:36:18,159 --> 01:36:19,520 but you made it quite imperative that 2169 01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:22,000 you have no interest in think well okay 2170 01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:24,440 but I'm I'm asking you what positions 2171 01:36:24,440 --> 01:36:26,119 are you willing to cut to get to that 2172 01:36:26,119 --> 01:36:28,960 $770,000 but you're asking me to 2173 01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:30,719 entertain a conversation that you've had 2174 01:36:30,719 --> 01:36:34,320 no point in wanting to follow through so 2175 01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:40,950 excuse me I'm not done yet well I was 2176 01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:45,480 okay um Mr I want to 2177 01:36:45,480 --> 01:36:48,080 speak so what I what I was going to 2178 01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:50,600 suggest is that maybe if you look at the 2179 01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:53,760 positions that are here and then maybe 2180 01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:57,560 if if you can start to rate them 2181 01:36:57,560 --> 01:36:59,880 yourself like where there might be areas 2182 01:36:59,880 --> 01:37:05,199 that you're willing to move on and and therefore we can have a conversation 2183 01:37:05,199 --> 01:37:07,800 around that but I think M Mr Williams 2184 01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:09,520 poting I don't put words in your mouth 2185 01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:10,679 and how I understand what you're saying 2186 01:37:10,679 --> 01:37:12,719 is that you're not interested in cutting 2187 01:37:12,719 --> 01:37:17,239 or because I don't think anyone wants to cut anything right so if it's 2188 01:37:17,239 --> 01:37:18,920 like if you're not interested in 2189 01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:20,679 entertaining the conversation well then 2190 01:37:20,679 --> 01:37:22,480 we will be kind of like what M Patrick 2191 01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:24,119 is saying SP over that was only thing I 2192 01:37:24,119 --> 01:37:25,360 was trying to interject yeah well thank 2193 01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:26,920 you Mr 2194 01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:31,239 FY um so you know clerical AIDS ips3 I 2195 01:37:31,239 --> 01:37:33,159 mean I'm in favor of keeping all these 2196 01:37:33,159 --> 01:37:35,600 positions because obviously they 2197 01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:37,040 wouldn't be on here unless they were 2198 01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:39,400 need it to serve the public in an 2199 01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:41,199 efficient manner and and that's really 2200 01:37:41,199 --> 01:37:43,520 all I'm going to say right 2201 01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:46,719 now right and in in digesting this 2202 01:37:46,719 --> 01:37:50,239 entire conversation I honestly saw no 2203 01:37:50,239 --> 01:37:52,280 value in Contin this because I know your 2204 01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:54,960 position and it's clearly Laden out so 2205 01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:56,239 but I'm just wondering about your 2206 01:37:56,239 --> 01:37:58,280 position I mean you have a whole room of 2207 01:37:58,280 --> 01:38:01,199 individuals here who want to know if the 2208 01:38:01,199 --> 01:38:03,800 getting their positions cut 2209 01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:07,280 uh that was my only question is on the 2210 01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:09,080 finance committee I I don't have a vote 2211 01:38:09,080 --> 01:38:11,000 to get it out but I also want it to be 2212 01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:12,520 important to highlight we're not cutting 2213 01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:14,119 any positions that are currently filled 2214 01:38:14,119 --> 01:38:16,320 so the I understand that totally and 2215 01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:17,800 it's that type of language though that 2216 01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:20,119 the community latches on to and then 2217 01:38:20,119 --> 01:38:21,800 those phone calls that were buing are 2218 01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:23,760 taking on a new narrative the positions 2219 01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:26,239 that we were previously evaluating were 2220 01:38:26,239 --> 01:38:28,119 vacant correct like I started my 2221 01:38:28,119 --> 01:38:29,639 conversation with one year two year 2222 01:38:29,639 --> 01:38:31,360 three year you know that's how I started 2223 01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:33,520 the conversation but again but you said 2224 01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:36,000 individuals who might be losing their 2225 01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:38,639 jobs oh I didn't hear sorry I didn't 2226 01:38:38,639 --> 01:38:40,159 mean to say that at 2227 01:38:40,159 --> 01:38:43,119 all and to Mr Farley's point but our 2228 01:38:43,119 --> 01:38:46,639 spinning our whe suggestions made no we 2229 01:38:46,639 --> 01:38:48,239 got to keep those positions which is 2230 01:38:48,239 --> 01:38:53,840 fine I I understand that perspective but you know some cuts are okay other 2231 01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:57,119 cuts are not you know it's it's the 2232 01:38:57,119 --> 01:39:00,599 Dealer's Choice here so um I think 2233 01:39:00,599 --> 01:39:02,320 you're absolutely 2234 01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:05,000 correct right and that's why my stance 2235 01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:07,080 was then hearing where people's 2236 01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:08,880 positions are and how do we pass a 2237 01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:13,229 budget that we all can support and agree 2238 01:39:13,239 --> 01:39:15,840 on but I'd still like my question 2239 01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:20,030 answered about the structural 2240 01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:35,030 deficits 2241 01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:37,119 well I I know you keep using that term 2242 01:39:37,119 --> 01:39:39,719 but I don't um and you're saying like 2243 01:39:39,719 --> 01:39:41,320 years down the road and so we have to 2244 01:39:41,320 --> 01:39:42,960 pass a budget one year each year at a 2245 01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:46,400 time and so we're looking at passing 2246 01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:48,440 this budget and increasing Revenue it's 2247 01:39:48,440 --> 01:39:49,800 been said time and time again it's been 2248 01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:51,239 said at the police department it's been 2249 01:39:51,239 --> 01:39:54,800 set in cold enforcement um uh it's been 2250 01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:56,960 said in the clerk's office so part of 2251 01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:59,960 creating the budget is increasing 2252 01:39:59,960 --> 01:40:02,719 Revenue but we never talk about that so 2253 01:40:02,719 --> 01:40:04,480 in terms of you keep continually saying 2254 01:40:04,480 --> 01:40:07,560 that you're um believing that you're 2255 01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:09,320 offering in the per that our Revenue 2256 01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:11,480 will stay flat and they will have no 2257 01:40:11,480 --> 01:40:15,480 more even if it goes up a consistent you 2258 01:40:15,480 --> 01:40:17,719 if they go hand inand because costs are 2259 01:40:17,719 --> 01:40:20,320 going to go up even if the revenue goes 2260 01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:24,000 up you still have that Gap so it doesn't 2261 01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:24,800 go 2262 01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:27,480 away and we're talking about let's 2263 01:40:27,480 --> 01:40:29,719 getting rid of feas because our 2264 01:40:29,719 --> 01:40:32,880 residents uh have a burden and yes they 2265 01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:35,119 have a burden but you're just making it 2266 01:40:35,119 --> 01:40:38,440 worse in two or three years and that's 2267 01:40:38,440 --> 01:40:40,920 just a matter of 2268 01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:43,119 fact I believe the term you just used 2269 01:40:43,119 --> 01:40:44,719 that you said were saying let's get rid 2270 01:40:44,719 --> 01:40:48,760 of fees I don't I didn't hear that from 2271 01:40:48,760 --> 01:40:50,040 anyone I could just speak for myself I 2272 01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:52,000 didn't say that's good rid of fees I 2273 01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:53,760 think it's important that we're using 2274 01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:55,440 accurate language so it is accurate 2275 01:40:55,440 --> 01:40:56,960 you're looking to get rid of some of the 2276 01:40:56,960 --> 01:41:01,000 fees get rid of fees that's 50% if it's 2277 01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:03,080 1% it's you're looking to get rid of 2278 01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:08,070 fees that's an accurate 2279 01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:10,520 statement and that's very different than 2280 01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:13,639 getting rid of them same thing it's not 2281 01:41:13,639 --> 01:41:15,679 the same and all you're doing is putting 2282 01:41:15,679 --> 01:41:18,400 it down the road and making it worse 2283 01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:20,040 well no and I don't think that is just a 2284 01:41:20,040 --> 01:41:22,040 question of Sam I don't think it's 2285 01:41:22,040 --> 01:41:24,199 question of semantics I think one action 2286 01:41:24,199 --> 01:41:27,239 is saying that we are looking to or 2287 01:41:27,239 --> 01:41:29,159 council members are saying how do we not 2288 01:41:29,159 --> 01:41:31,280 increase fees and then there's a 2289 01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:33,119 conversation of how do we not increase 2290 01:41:33,119 --> 01:41:35,400 fees and getting rid of fees would would 2291 01:41:35,400 --> 01:41:37,040 suggest that there's fees that we're 2292 01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:38,760 trying to reduce and get rid of right 2293 01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:40,119 now and I don't think that that 2294 01:41:40,119 --> 01:41:43,159 conversation is or that framing is 2295 01:41:43,159 --> 01:41:45,599 accurate of for my understanding right 2296 01:41:45,599 --> 01:41:48,199 now regardless doesn't answer my 2297 01:41:48,199 --> 01:41:50,320 question about the deficit it doesn't 2298 01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:58,310 answer my 2299 01:41:58,320 --> 01:42:01,679 so so at this point in time are we 2300 01:42:01,679 --> 01:42:04,679 entertaining um getting them well miss 2301 01:42:04,679 --> 01:42:06,320 POS Miss Patrick's position has changed 2302 01:42:06,320 --> 01:42:10,400 so um she said the 2303 01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:13,560 moment but um are we entertaining like 2304 01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:14,880 looking at reducing the fees for 2305 01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:16,880 services and truly Mr mood she behave 2306 01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:18,560 for this discussion because I know 2307 01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:19,679 that's one of the items that he was 2308 01:42:19,679 --> 01:42:22,880 bringing forward um to get to that 2309 01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:24,400 number or 2310 01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:27,360 we that's really the question and we can 2311 01:42:27,360 --> 01:42:29,159 get this budget out 2312 01:42:29,159 --> 01:42:36,750 of can we get there 2313 01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:40,040 tonight I just wanted just so as Derek 2314 01:42:40,040 --> 01:42:41,760 said in the beginning excuse me 2315 01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:45,159 beginning of this conference the 2024 a 2316 01:42:45,159 --> 01:42:46,639 budget 2317 01:42:46,639 --> 01:42:50,080 for what it peace peace res Services is 2318 01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:53,599 4% that was in 2023 so just want to let 2319 01:42:53,599 --> 01:42:56,440 you know that right off 2320 01:42:56,440 --> 01:42:58,599 the 2321 01:42:58,599 --> 01:43:02,800 4% in the general fund Ro departments 2322 01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:05,360 you total everything out from the 2023 2323 01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:10,760 adopted budget to the um uh proposed 2324 01:43:10,760 --> 01:43:19,669 2024 budget looking at a 4% 2325 01:43:19,679 --> 01:43:30,310 decrease 2326 01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:32,040 but I can say to my comment if you're 2327 01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:33,719 truly looking for a response at some 2328 01:43:33,719 --> 01:43:35,560 point our investments and Technology 2329 01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:37,440 need to start reaping benefits for our 2330 01:43:37,440 --> 01:43:39,840 community and if we are saying and 2331 01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:42,639 hearing from uh our Public Services 2332 01:43:42,639 --> 01:43:45,560 saying that not yet we need more time at 2333 01:43:45,560 --> 01:43:47,880 some point that question is going to 2334 01:43:47,880 --> 01:43:50,480 need to be answered or met with what is 2335 01:43:50,480 --> 01:43:52,480 the value of our continued investments 2336 01:43:52,480 --> 01:43:54,920 in such 2337 01:43:54,920 --> 01:43:57,760 efforts okay but that still doesn't deal 2338 01:43:57,760 --> 01:44:00,239 with the structural deficits next year 2339 01:44:00,239 --> 01:44:03,679 we're going to have a payment for 500 2340 01:44:03,679 --> 01:44:05,360 next year 2341 01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:07,520 $500,000 we have to look at this if 2342 01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:09,719 we're looking to reduce the burden on 2343 01:44:09,719 --> 01:44:12,960 taxpayers which is what I've been 2344 01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:15,679 hearing then you have to look at the 2345 01:44:15,679 --> 01:44:19,840 impact beyond the 2024 budget because 2346 01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:22,119 the impact will be multiplied and it 2347 01:44:22,119 --> 01:44:24,400 will only be that much worse for 2348 01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:27,360 residents we have a $500,000 payment 2349 01:44:27,360 --> 01:44:30,080 coming for the axium which we agreed to 2350 01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:31,880 that's got to be put into the budget 2351 01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:34,719 it's not yet we have the contract coming 2352 01:44:34,719 --> 01:44:36,800 up with the police department that's a 2353 01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:39,639 minimum of x amount of dollars don't 2354 01:44:39,639 --> 01:44:43,239 want to do it publicly because but it's 2355 01:44:43,239 --> 01:44:45,679 substantial and 2356 01:44:45,679 --> 01:44:49,560 we if we were to go with half 2357 01:44:49,560 --> 01:44:55,840 fees 3 let's say 3.4 was it $1.7 million 2358 01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:58,719 deficit I'm sorry if we went with half 2359 01:44:58,719 --> 01:45:07,470 fees it would be a $1.7 million deficit 2360 01:45:07,480 --> 01:45:10,599 1.1.2 $500,000 at this point doesn't 2361 01:45:10,599 --> 01:45:15,760 really matter so 1.2 million that's 2362 01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:17,880 several million dollars that we're not 2363 01:45:17,880 --> 01:45:21,639 accounting for and we have to address if 2364 01:45:21,639 --> 01:45:25,119 we're really interested in making the 2365 01:45:25,119 --> 01:45:28,840 burden not hard on our residents and 2366 01:45:28,840 --> 01:45:33,350 that's why the structural deficit is 2367 01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:37,000 important so last year with us 2368 01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:41,800 um not increasing fees um to this way we 2369 01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:46,119 ended up you're saying that it's now 4% 2370 01:45:46,119 --> 01:45:49,480 less no Fe for service free for service 2371 01:45:49,480 --> 01:45:52,719 okay yes you that's the water and store 2372 01:45:52,719 --> 01:45:55,599 fees this is fees for services from the 2373 01:45:55,599 --> 01:45:57,040 various departments that didn't make 2374 01:45:57,040 --> 01:45:59,840 sense to me I'm like those 2375 01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:17,189 projections 2376 01:46:17,199 --> 01:46:19,599 yeah seems like the question is again 2377 01:46:19,599 --> 01:46:22,679 how can I closer to the demands of 2378 01:46:22,679 --> 01:46:26,920 sticking to the mayor's propos proposed 2379 01:46:26,920 --> 01:46:29,760 budget so I know the word no one wants 2380 01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:31,760 to hear is recess and I don't even know 2381 01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:33,599 if you would entertain one but I I do 2382 01:46:33,599 --> 01:46:36,470 not 2383 01:46:36,480 --> 01:46:40,000 know I just want an answer if I'm not 2384 01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:41,960 going to get one that's fine you can say 2385 01:46:41,960 --> 01:46:43,599 I don't have an answer but I would like 2386 01:46:43,599 --> 01:46:46,080 to know what the plan is for the 2387 01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:48,679 structural deficit yet to get an answer 2388 01:46:48,679 --> 01:46:51,280 and if the answers I don't have one or 2389 01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:53,119 whatever that's fine and we'll move on 2390 01:46:53,119 --> 01:46:56,000 and we'll recess but that's the fifth 2391 01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:58,360 time I've asked the question and I've 2392 01:46:58,360 --> 01:47:01,080 yet to get an answer and and I think 2393 01:47:01,080 --> 01:47:03,599 that and I think that you're um 2394 01:47:03,599 --> 01:47:06,080 projecting and not NE and not I don't 2395 01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:07,480 know if you're necessarily projecting 2396 01:47:07,480 --> 01:47:09,719 with um actual numbers we were down we 2397 01:47:09,719 --> 01:47:11,199 were sat at the same table last year and 2398 01:47:11,199 --> 01:47:12,920 we had a similar conversation about how 2399 01:47:12,920 --> 01:47:14,679 bad it was going to be and we're not the 2400 01:47:14,679 --> 01:47:16,320 place that you said we're going to be 2401 01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:19,520 and again we have to do a better job of 2402 01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:21,599 look and increasing our revenue and 2403 01:47:21,599 --> 01:47:23,639 that's on us so we said it last year I 2404 01:47:23,639 --> 01:47:25,880 the only reason we're we're doing okay 2405 01:47:25,880 --> 01:47:27,760 is because we used 2406 01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:30,800 49 million or whatever it was in har 2407 01:47:30,800 --> 01:47:34,239 this year we're using 6.6 are my numbers 2408 01:47:34,239 --> 01:47:37,119 horribly wrong from what I've said Mr 2409 01:47:37,119 --> 01:47:39,080 ferr I would say the manner in which you 2410 01:47:39,080 --> 01:47:41,280 delivered them 2411 01:47:41,280 --> 01:47:44,199 were and I can say the same about yours 2412 01:47:44,199 --> 01:47:47,000 but if if we're all I'm asking is if I'm 2413 01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:48,480 not going to get an answer just say I 2414 01:47:48,480 --> 01:47:51,560 won't get an answer and we'll reset yes 2415 01:47:51,560 --> 01:47:56,400 that's fine I'm okay with that maybe I can suggest that maybe it's not 2416 01:47:56,400 --> 01:48:00,840 the answer that you deem acceptable cuz 2417 01:48:00,840 --> 01:48:02,679 I the Council president has addressed 2418 01:48:02,679 --> 01:48:04,920 that no she hasn't with all due respect 2419 01:48:04,920 --> 01:48:07,639 she has not okay 2420 01:48:07,639 --> 01:48:11,360 so I believe she she did um maybe not to 2421 01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:13,320 your satisfactory and I can appreciate 2422 01:48:13,320 --> 01:48:15,800 that I just want to reiterate that there 2423 01:48:15,800 --> 01:48:17,520 has been a bit of a thought exchange 2424 01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:20,360 here and from what I heard is that the 2425 01:48:20,360 --> 01:48:22,239 council president has tried to address 2426 01:48:22,239 --> 01:48:26,159 what you're describing um as a built-in 2427 01:48:26,159 --> 01:48:31,870 deficit structural 2428 01:48:31,880 --> 01:48:35,040 deficit there's yet to be an answer as 2429 01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:40,709 how to how to close that 2430 01:48:40,719 --> 01:48:44,360 Gap well I guess the answer is not 2431 01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:46,080 satisfactory to you but again I I I 2432 01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:49,520 submit that you said similarly last year 2433 01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:50,719 um you're saying again this year but 2434 01:48:50,719 --> 01:48:53,080 you're not specifically saying where it 2435 01:48:53,080 --> 01:48:55,639 is I have been specific very specific 2436 01:48:55,639 --> 01:48:57,800 with my numbers you just have't listen 2437 01:48:57,800 --> 01:48:59,920 and Mr Ferrari has said my numbers are 2438 01:48:59,920 --> 01:49:04,000 pretty accurate so and I have this so I 2439 01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:07,719 take objection to that uh so you know 2440 01:49:07,719 --> 01:49:09,360 those that's those are my response to 2441 01:49:09,360 --> 01:49:10,920 your um to your and I understand that 2442 01:49:10,920 --> 01:49:12,159 you won't be at this table next year 2443 01:49:12,159 --> 01:49:13,719 when we do this again I appreciate your 2444 01:49:13,719 --> 01:49:18,599 presence here now um and we will and 2445 01:49:18,599 --> 01:49:21,159 have help the say have they heard I said 2446 01:49:21,159 --> 01:49:24,119 Heaven helped the city so if you want to 2447 01:49:24,119 --> 01:49:26,320 recess if if I'm not going to get an 2448 01:49:26,320 --> 01:49:28,679 answer that's fine we'll recess I would 2449 01:49:28,679 --> 01:49:31,560 say your narrative is on brand but can I 2450 01:49:31,560 --> 01:49:33,599 have a motion foress and now we need to 2451 01:49:33,599 --> 01:49:38,320 discuss a de well it's not discussing 2452 01:49:38,320 --> 01:49:40,560 the DAT you've called for a special 2453 01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:42,920 meeting special meeting bypasses the 2454 01:49:42,920 --> 01:49:45,119 committee you have a statutory 2455 01:49:45,119 --> 01:49:46,920 obligation to adopt the budget by 2456 01:49:46,920 --> 01:49:48,040 November 2457 01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:51,800 1st and don't have where's the big hand 2458 01:49:51,800 --> 01:49:54,400 on the clock a 2459 01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:57,360 little so what I would say is you got to 2460 01:49:57,360 --> 01:50:02,480 put a budget forward and vote on it 2461 01:50:02,480 --> 01:50:04,480 whether you want to use mine as the 2462 01:50:04,480 --> 01:50:07,760 Baseline line by line amendments or 2463 01:50:07,760 --> 01:50:09,280 whatever but you called for a special 2464 01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:12,480 meeting and think you have an obligation 2465 01:50:12,480 --> 01:50:15,440 to vote on a 2466 01:50:15,440 --> 01:50:19,719 budget um so my understanding from um Mr 2467 01:50:19,719 --> 01:50:22,880 P is that if we there's not that our 2468 01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:24,760 code does not speak to what happens if 2469 01:50:24,760 --> 01:50:28,000 we don't pass the budget on November 1st 2470 01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:29,880 um I know that we have to pass it by the 2471 01:50:29,880 --> 01:50:31,280 end of the year otherwise we don't have 2472 01:50:31,280 --> 01:50:33,840 a budget so you can just L some clarity 2473 01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:35,840 to that Mr 2474 01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:41,119 hold our code does not provide for a 2475 01:50:41,119 --> 01:50:42,960 there's no provision within our Charter 2476 01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:45,119 just within our Charter not the code 2477 01:50:45,119 --> 01:50:48,280 which says the time to pass the budget 2478 01:50:48,280 --> 01:50:51,320 is by November one the end of November 2479 01:50:51,320 --> 01:50:54,840 one the particular year um Arco does not 2480 01:50:54,840 --> 01:50:58,000 provide for or Charter there um does not 2481 01:50:58,000 --> 01:51:00,880 provide for the what if question if you 2482 01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:03,199 don't pass it on that particular day 2483 01:51:03,199 --> 01:51:05,679 there's no statutory provision um in 2484 01:51:05,679 --> 01:51:08,400 general Municipal law second class city 2485 01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:13,239 law um general city law uh that applies 2486 01:51:13,239 --> 01:51:14,760 to budget 2487 01:51:14,760 --> 01:51:16,679 FES 2488 01:51:16,679 --> 01:51:20,400 um generally um everything goes back to 2489 01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:24,069 the 2490 01:51:24,079 --> 01:51:26,320 Charter well it's been a special meeting 2491 01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:29,599 called for that bypasses the system so 2492 01:51:29,599 --> 01:51:31,880 what I'm suggesting is you use my budget 2493 01:51:31,880 --> 01:51:34,840 as a Baseline and then move to amend it 2494 01:51:34,840 --> 01:51:38,910 from the 2495 01:51:38,920 --> 01:51:41,880 floor and I'll make a motion 2496 01:51:41,880 --> 01:51:45,280 to accept the mayor's 2497 01:51:45,280 --> 01:51:48,960 budget you call the meeting to order I 2498 01:51:48,960 --> 01:51:53,119 was we hav really recess first it has to 2499 01:51:53,119 --> 01:51:55,639 pass out committee the budget no not if 2500 01:51:55,639 --> 01:51:58,840 we have a special meeting bypasses the 2501 01:51:58,840 --> 01:52:01,480 committee there's one 2502 01:52:01,480 --> 01:52:04,400 item or Whatever item is delineated in 2503 01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:06,990 the 2504 01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:11,199 notes so we don't have to leave I don't 2505 01:52:11,199 --> 01:52:14,079 believe I given a copy whatever given of 2506 01:52:14,079 --> 01:52:15,810 the council so whatever is in 2507 01:52:15,810 --> 01:52:18,199 [Music] 2508 01:52:18,199 --> 01:52:21,560 that yesterday I going to do 2509 01:52:21,560 --> 01:52:24,280 tonight oh so there's I thought the 2510 01:52:24,280 --> 01:52:27,679 agendas were passed out last night right 2511 01:52:27,679 --> 01:52:30,079 no there's another agenda today the 2512 01:52:30,079 --> 01:52:33,639 agenda the notice that sered on city 2513 01:52:33,639 --> 01:52:37,510 council elimates what you're going to 2514 01:52:37,510 --> 01:52:39,040 [Music] 2515 01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:42,760 do the session sent last week um you had 2516 01:52:42,760 --> 01:52:46,800 it receiv you received it by emailed it 2517 01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:49,520 received it by in person as well yes I 2518 01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:53,669 just did didn't bring M with 2519 01:52:53,679 --> 01:52:56,280 me I did receive so the special meeting 2520 01:52:56,280 --> 01:52:59,159 said that we were going to call for a 2521 01:52:59,159 --> 01:53:01,440 um special meeting for the finance 2522 01:53:01,440 --> 01:53:03,239 committee to pass the budget out of 2523 01:53:03,239 --> 01:53:06,400 finance and then um the then the meeting 2524 01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:08,480 we need to uh thank 2525 01:53:08,480 --> 01:53:11,400 you okay this reads as 2526 01:53:11,400 --> 01:53:14,119 follows uh Tuesday October 4th and 2527 01:53:14,119 --> 01:53:16,360 Wednesday uh November excuse me October 2528 01:53:16,360 --> 01:53:18,960 31st and Wednesday November 1st if 2529 01:53:18,960 --> 01:53:21,000 budget not passed on October 31st it 2530 01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:22,880 disconnect the city council meeting to 2531 01:53:22,880 --> 01:53:24,920 convene finance committee followed by 2532 01:53:24,920 --> 01:53:28,239 the special city council meeting that is 2533 01:53:28,239 --> 01:53:30,599 to pass the budget however we did not 2534 01:53:30,599 --> 01:53:33,639 pass the budget out of the finance 2535 01:53:33,639 --> 01:53:39,430 committee you don't have 2536 01:53:39,440 --> 01:53:42,040 to it's a question whether or not we 2537 01:53:42,040 --> 01:53:43,239 have to pass it out of the finance 2538 01:53:43,239 --> 01:53:46,079 committee the language in our code um 2539 01:53:46,079 --> 01:53:47,000 section 2540 01:53:47,000 --> 01:53:49,599 28-3 says special meetings may be called 2541 01:53:49,599 --> 01:53:51,040 any any time by any member of the 2542 01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:52,880 council 3 days notice specifying the 2543 01:53:52,880 --> 01:53:55,000 object of the meeting city clerk shall 2544 01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:56,280 cause the written notice thereof 2545 01:53:56,280 --> 01:53:57,719 specifying the object of the meeting to 2546 01:53:57,719 --> 01:53:59,760 be served upon each member personal to 2547 01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:02,679 be delivered at such special meeting no 2548 01:54:02,679 --> 01:54:04,560 business other than that named in the 2549 01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:06,320 notice of the meeting shall be transa 2550 01:54:06,320 --> 01:54:08,960 transacted except by unan 2551 01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:11,440 consent at the time fix in the notice of 2552 01:54:11,440 --> 01:54:13,679 special meeting the city council shall 2553 01:54:13,679 --> 01:54:15,679 convene the president shall take the 2554 01:54:15,679 --> 01:54:17,320 chair and the following shall be the 2555 01:54:17,320 --> 01:54:20,199 order of business roll call reading of 2556 01:54:20,199 --> 01:54:21,639 the notice of the meeting and proof of 2557 01:54:21,639 --> 01:54:24,320 service transaction of the business 2558 01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:28,310 specified in notice and 2559 01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:31,079 adjournment so we we have to follow a 2560 01:54:31,079 --> 01:54:33,280 special meeting and um we need a budget 2561 01:54:33,280 --> 01:54:35,040 to pass so we need a budget out of 2562 01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:37,910 finances what I'm 2563 01:54:37,910 --> 01:54:40,920 [Music] 2564 01:54:40,920 --> 01:54:43,480 understanding it goes to the notice I 2565 01:54:43,480 --> 01:54:46,079 agree with the mayor that if a special 2566 01:54:46,079 --> 01:54:48,679 meeting is being called for particular 2567 01:54:48,679 --> 01:54:52,040 item meeting of this a special meeting 2568 01:54:52,040 --> 01:54:53,239 of the city 2569 01:54:53,239 --> 01:54:56,960 council then it would bypass the 2570 01:54:56,960 --> 01:54:58,639 whatever is contained within the notice 2571 01:54:58,639 --> 01:55:01,599 would bypass the committee but goes to 2572 01:55:01,599 --> 01:55:07,750 the language in the notice 2573 01:55:07,760 --> 01:55:11,690 okay do you have to at least 2574 01:55:11,690 --> 01:55:13,639 [Music] 2575 01:55:13,639 --> 01:55:17,750 I'm 2576 01:55:17,760 --> 01:55:21,040 conv so 2577 01:55:21,040 --> 01:55:24,159 motion to recess motion second I second 2578 01:55:24,159 --> 01:55:27,480 all in favor I recess call order the 2579 01:55:27,480 --> 01:55:29,400 special meeting of the city council me 2580 01:55:29,400 --> 01:55:31,760 city council for November 1st 2581 01:55:31,760 --> 01:55:36,880 2023 to vote on the budget um I'd ask 2582 01:55:36,880 --> 01:55:39,679 the clerk to do a roll call 2583 01:55:39,679 --> 01:55:42,880 please Mr Williams 2584 01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:48,159 no the call for attendance 2585 01:55:48,159 --> 01:55:54,960 Mr Mr here Mr Toro here Mr here M 2586 01:55:54,960 --> 01:55:58,560 pres okay um special meeting is 2587 01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:01,159 [Music] 2588 01:56:01,159 --> 01:56:04,400 to the special meeting is to pass the 2589 01:56:04,400 --> 01:56:06,360 2024 operating budget and capital budget 2590 01:56:06,360 --> 01:56:08,000 for the city is 2591 01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:10,040 connected 2592 01:56:10,040 --> 01:56:13,440 so at this point in time the budget only 2593 01:56:13,440 --> 01:56:15,800 budget before us is the budget that the 2594 01:56:15,800 --> 01:56:18,520 mayor has put 2595 01:56:18,520 --> 01:56:21,400 forward 2596 01:56:21,400 --> 01:56:26,520 so I would ask for a roll call on the 2597 01:56:26,520 --> 01:56:34,589 item that's on the 2598 01:56:34,599 --> 01:56:37,159 table we need a motion a motion to bring 2599 01:56:37,159 --> 01:56:38,119 to the 2600 01:56:38,119 --> 01:56:41,639 table um I yes go ahead i' recommend 2601 01:56:41,639 --> 01:56:43,760 discussion first since you're going to 2602 01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:45,960 do a roll call though yes right is there 2603 01:56:45,960 --> 01:56:47,480 any discuss is there any further 2604 01:56:47,480 --> 01:56:51,629 discussion on this item 2605 01:56:51,639 --> 01:56:53,800 the time to make those last comments 2606 01:56:53,800 --> 01:56:58,430 before we call the 2607 01:56:58,440 --> 01:57:03,040 roll this Michael of all is Mr 2608 01:57:03,040 --> 01:57:08,880 Williams Mr Farley yeah Miss Patrick 2609 01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:14,440 yes Mr Toro yes Mr palamini 2610 01:57:14,440 --> 01:57:18,400 yes Miss pfield 2611 01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:21,460 no motion 2612 01:57:21,460 --> 01:57:25,629 [Music] 2613 01:57:25,639 --> 01:57:32,000 fails ask for a motion toour so move 2614 01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:34,440 second moveed by m Patrick second by Mr 2615 01:57:34,440 --> 01:57:40,450 Farley all those in 2616 01:57:40,460 --> 01:57:48,390 [Music] 2617 01:57:48,400 --> 01:57:52,880 favor oh sure 2618 01:57:52,890 --> 01:58:18,310 [Music] 2619 01:58:18,320 --> 01:58:22,220 I'll 2620 01:58:22,230 --> 01:58:28,149 [Music] 2621 01:58:28,159 --> 01:58:31,000 I'm telling you I was like oh please 2622 01:58:31,000 --> 01:58:36,800 don't sit down 2623 01:58:36,810 --> 01:58:45,109 [Music] 2624 01:58:45,119 --> 01:58:48,920 to how's your mom doing how's your mom 2625 01:58:48,920 --> 01:58:52,639 uh struggling but all things 2626 01:58:52,639 --> 01:58:59,330 consider thank you for coming toate of 2627 01:58:59,340 --> 01:59:03,950 [Music] 2628 01:59:03,960 --> 01:59:18,229 course 2629 01:59:18,239 --> 01:59:20,900 you 2630 01:59:20,900 --> 01:59:48,239 [Music] 2631 01:59:48,239 --> 01:59:51,350 Jack 2632 01:59:51,360 --> 01:59:59,100 what your 2633 01:59:59,110 --> 02:00:18,149 [Music] 2634 02:00:18,159 --> 02:00:48,109 name 2635 02:00:48,119 --> 02:01:48,030 for 2636 02:01:48,040 --> 02:02:17,950 e 2637 02:02:17,960 --> 02:04:17,790 for 2638 02:04:17,800 --> 02:04:47,750 e 2639 02:04:47,760 --> 02:05:17,669 for 2640 02:05:17,679 --> 02:11:17,149 e 2641 02:11:17,159 --> 02:11:47,149 for 2642 02:11:47,159 --> 02:12:47,030 e 2643 02:12:47,040 --> 02:13:46,950 for 2644 02:13:46,960 --> 02:14:16,870 e 2645 02:14:16,880 --> 02:15:46,790 for 2646 02:15:46,800 --> 02:15:49,800 e