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[3:55] I'd like to call to order the San city
[3:57] council committee meeting for Monday
[3:59] November 6
[4:00] 2023 our first um committee is Public
[4:04] Safety Mr Williams I'd like to call the
[4:05] Public Safety Committee to order we have
[4:07] three items on the agenda tonight first
[4:09] of which is the Edward burn Memorial
[4:11] Justice assistance grant formul program
[4:13] local solicitation fiscal year 2023
[4:16] that'll be discussed
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[4:24] by good evening good evening I'm here to
[4:28] present two different grants uh from the
[4:30] Department of Justice the first one is
[4:32] the Jag Grant which is in conjunction
[4:34] with the uh scy County DA's office we
[4:37] are looking for you guys to accept
[4:46] $23,170 for our Patrol officers and
[4:49] there is zero match involved with this
[4:50] grant thank Chief any questions or
[4:54] comments move those all in favor and the
[4:58] second item is the dyj fiscal year 2023
[5:02] both through best partnership
[5:04] Grant uh this one we asking that you
[5:06] accept $
[5:08] 34844 42 towards the purchase of new
[5:11] vests um that is towards 52 total vests
[5:15] this is 50% of the cost of the vest well
[5:19] for our um existing officers every 5
[5:22] years we replace and then anytime we
[5:24] have a new officer this goes half of
[5:27] that and the New York State reimburses
[5:29] for the other half as well and so that'
[5:32] be the 50% match any questions or
[5:36] comments so it's already with within the
[5:38] operational budget you're saying the our
[5:40] bch yes thank you any other questions or
[5:43] comments those second all in favor I
[5:47] thank you Chief thank you uh the last item is a discussion replacing
[5:52] current traffic signals um excited to
[5:55] have this brought back uh definitely it
[5:57] sounded as if the actions were being
[5:59] taken already uh to discuss this
[6:01] intersection and I believe Mr CIO or Mr
[6:04] Wallen one of us is
[6:10] here be able to some context of what's
[6:13] been happening behind the scenes sure so
[6:15] um actually councilman Doro uh several
[6:18] months ago brought to our attention um a
[6:21] request to potentially add a left turn
[6:24] uh on Eerie Boulevard going Southbound
[6:27] at Union Street um at the time
[6:30] we told her that this had been something
[6:32] that had been discussed several times in
[6:34] the past um along with the intersection
[6:37] of state and eie potentially putting the
[6:40] left turn there as well in the same
[6:42] direction
[6:44] um past uh traffic studies that were
[6:48] performed um showed that there was
[6:50] potentially um large buildup of traffic
[6:55] um that would um reduce the level of
[6:58] service of the intersection because if
[7:00] you add any kind of movement you have to
[7:03] have a certain amount of time for that
[7:05] movement right so that could you know
[7:06] although it's based on the traffic
[7:08] volumes um um the minimal numbers are
[7:11] probably between 10 and 15 seconds that
[7:14] we have to add to the cycle length so um
[7:17] looking at it and um with the number of
[7:19] different requests we've had uh since
[7:21] then and um before then from other
[7:24] people um we evaluated it again and we
[7:27] feel that although it's probably not the
[7:29] best thing in the world to do for
[7:31] traffic um based on safety concerns and
[7:34] um you know the requests from people uh
[7:37] we're looking to add it at the um Union
[7:41] and eie intersection because that would
[7:44] uh cause less of a problem than the
[7:46] Eerie Boulevard one um adding a left
[7:48] turn at the Eerie uh state in Erie um
[7:51] would actually back up um State Street
[7:54] past Broadway and caused more problems
[7:58] um can't just look at it uh just for the
[8:00] one intersection as well um the the
[8:03] blocks are very short there's not a lot
[8:05] of distance for um stacking of vehicles
[8:09] um so you know one or the other the
[8:12] Union Street is probably the better one
[8:14] to look at um so at this point we I
[8:17] talked to Chris Wallen he's around here
[8:19] someplace he's going to assist us in
[8:21] looking to get uh video detection so
[8:23] that we don't have to uh put any
[8:25] detectors in the roadway um with video
[8:28] detection you can actually draw the
[8:29] zones on the on the ground you know from
[8:32] the camera and it'll pick up the
[8:33] vehicles uh uh based on the direction
[8:36] they're going um and the one thing
[8:40] that's remaining is I have to uh double
[8:43] check the traffic signal poles and make
[8:45] sure that they can take another uh
[8:48] couple of traffic signal sections um to
[8:51] make sure we we have to do a loading on
[8:53] them to um make sure that uh the pole
[8:56] designs that they are can take the extra
[8:58] load so so that'll be done in the next
[9:00] uh week or so um at the same time we
[9:03] have to check to make sure that there's
[9:05] uh sufficient wiring or we have to add a
[9:07] wire uh for that uh additional phase but
[9:10] um should you know be an easy thing to
[9:13] complete awesome perfect um definitely
[9:16] it's fair to recognize that there are
[9:19] conversations that happen away from this
[9:20] table so definitely thank you Mr Toro
[9:22] but in the absence of here many updates
[9:24] there was an individual that came for to
[9:26] one of our Council meetings just
[9:27] identifying as the continued issue that
[9:29] they're experiencing and I also think
[9:31] it's important to identify to the city
[9:33] that there are projects that are taking
[9:35] place without uh any uh continued
[9:38] updates uh but definitely this is a
[9:40] reflection of how uh in-depth of
[9:42] research was needed to identify the
[9:44] proper answer and although there sounds
[9:46] to be there's going to be some cascading
[9:48] effects from putting this addition in
[9:51] seconds uh I think it's important to
[9:53] make sure that we're prioritizing uh not
[9:55] only pedestrian safety but also vehicle
[9:57] safety and from myself it's a
[9:59] challenging leftand turn so I can only
[10:01] imagine for other individuals but want
[10:03] to offer any questions or comments from
[10:05] my it is you got to try to sneak in
[10:06] there early or wait till we all know
[10:14] that please yeah the I don't know I mean
[10:18] I know John correct me if I'm wrong I do
[10:20] not know if an exclusive we is
[10:22] necessarily in the best interest of all
[10:24] pedestrians and those have left will meet we have a lot of complaints
[10:28] from pedestrians who travel exclusive
[10:31] lefts are not a benefit for them so I
[10:33] just want to make sure that we're we're
[10:34] helping the vehicles we're not
[10:36] necessarily helping the pedestrians
[10:38] because what that means is now when
[10:39] you're taking that left the people who
[10:41] would be Crossing Union Street they got
[10:44] they will have a stop they're not
[10:45] allowed because now they're not allowed
[10:47] because you're telling the cars to cross
[10:49] so that's one component of this the
[10:51] second component is hopefully long range
[10:54] planing the J Street connector gets
[10:56] constructed we can somehow push track
[10:59] traffic onto the J Street connector to
[11:01] get them away from the left turn so they
[11:03] take the left turn at the roundabout so
[11:05] you go through the roundabout you go
[11:07] through which isn't really a left turn
[11:09] right around about just a rotary then
[11:11] you take the right onto the connector
[11:12] and then you're into there so you're
[11:14] trying to steal some of those people off
[11:16] of earring so hopefully we can
[11:17] recondition people
[11:20] because I agree it's going to be safer
[11:23] but I also agree that in 2 years or in 4
[11:26] years we may be back here talk talk
[11:29] about that left term it's also a good
[11:32] opportunity to talk about how we have to
[11:35] reinforce um that pedestrians follow the
[11:38] walk lights and that they press the
[11:39] buttons and wait for them to um you know
[11:42] show the proper indications before they
[11:44] cross the street too often do we see
[11:46] people just walk up to the corner
[11:49] sometimes look sometimes not holding
[11:51] their cell phone and just cross the
[11:52] street so it's a good opportunity to
[11:54] remind people to do that absolutely M um
[11:58] thank you Mr Williams I think it's like
[12:00] a 17sec walk there because I do walk
[12:02] over to storts a lot um but still uh
[12:06] people coming down Union Street are
[12:07] always taking a right on are headed
[12:08] towards like the casino so it's it's
[12:12] really bad pedestrian uh crosswalk as it
[12:15] is sure and at the same time when we do
[12:18] this we'll be looking at the timing on
[12:20] um all of the phases of that signal to
[12:23] see if we can squeeze a couple of
[12:24] seconds out of those other approaches so
[12:26] that we can add to that left turn and
[12:28] miniz the negative impacts of adding
[12:31] that phase thank you any other questions
[12:34] or comments so I just want yes thank you
[12:37] so can you talk about squee you're not
[12:38] talking about lessening The Pedestrian
[12:40] time though are you no okay CU that to
[12:42] me I mean I talking about monitoring the
[12:46] volume of vehicles on each approach and
[12:49] making sure that we don't have too much
[12:51] time for them so that we can take that
[12:53] time out the max times out and add them
[12:56] to the left turn and not add too many
[12:59] seconds to the entire phase uh entire
[13:01] cycle and the new video will assist that
[13:05] absolutely okay yeah thank Mr one uh so
[13:10] if there are no other items that Beall
[13:12] the Public Safety Committee may please
[13:13] have motion to again second all in
[13:16] favor I'd like to call the order City
[13:18] development and planning and we have 12
[13:20] items on the agenda uh the first item is
[13:23] follow up of arpa contracts Miss
[13:27] Carver
[13:29] evening I'm always so excited to present
[13:32] to the body the updates on the art for
[13:36] funding so um the most recent updates we
[13:40] have we have contracts that have been
[13:42] approved by the city council and signed
[13:44] by the way the mayor awaiting execution
[13:47] from our sub recipients and that will
[13:48] include the Green Market scat and
[13:51] Hamilton Hill currently in corporate
[13:54] Council review is contracts are Boys and
[13:58] Girls Club club and the seat
[14:00] Center pending submission for corporate
[14:03] counsil review and when I say pending
[14:05] submission meaning these sub recipients
[14:07] may be missing some of the
[14:08] pre-contractual documents that are
[14:10] required to move forward with contract
[14:12] is connected Kanas club and the Coco
[14:15] house the other um subrecipients that we
[14:20] have were ex were granting an extension
[14:23] of some sort so there's no update on
[14:25] that until they their time frame comes
[14:28] which will in the YWCA for Harbor House
[14:31] their extension was to March 24 the
[14:33] Electric City Bar Barn the same March
[14:36] 2004 America W crate which their
[14:38] extension is coming up which is December
[14:40] of
[14:41] 2023 and the bcni Hamilton Hill um
[14:44] infield project and when is theirs oh
[14:47] they we didn't give them time we are
[14:48] still waiting for approval
[14:51] okay and those will be my only
[14:54] updates any questions is there
[14:57] any
[14:59] just to be with Koh house so they came
[15:01] and asked for a um change so they
[15:07] couldn't have a contract CU we've not
[15:08] had that no that's what they're pending
[15:10] submission they're still missing some of
[15:11] the pre-contract documents that are
[15:13] needed even without us changing okay all
[15:17] right that's what I want to know all
[15:18] right any other questions all right so
[15:22] I'm glad we're moving ahead it's isn't
[15:24] it exciting it is so exciting it's
[15:27] movement so we're we'll take it we'll
[15:29] take it it's movement um the next item
[15:32] the jewy Community Foundation that's not
[15:34] will not be that'll be pulled from the
[15:35] agenda for today yes please all right
[15:39] thank you thank
[15:41] you uh Mr Wallen to operate the change
[15:44] order for to the contract for the
[15:46] Michigan Avenue ball
[15:47] field in the amount of
[15:55] $90,000 hello this is a uh change order
[15:58] for the Michigan Avenue um I would say
[16:01] little leag field as most of you would
[16:02] know it but it's actually not little
[16:04] leag um what we had is we awarded a base
[16:06] contract of
[16:08] $89,000 at this location to construct a
[16:11] retaining wall uh this was under the ARP
[16:13] funding the retaining wall was so that a
[16:15] pavilion could be built behind the
[16:17] bleachers and it would be a level area
[16:19] for people to gather as there was a
[16:21] slope um the wall is complete um it
[16:24] looks good however I'm back up a little
[16:27] bit that base bid was put out with an
[16:29] alternate at the time we didn't do the
[16:31] alternate because we wanted to see how
[16:33] the base bid went we lik the base bid um
[16:36] the little we reached out Michigan ad
[16:37] reached out to us and asked if we could
[16:40] do the alternate which was essentially
[16:42] the same price we did it in that way
[16:44] just so that we could kind of see what
[16:46] we were getting into with the project um
[16:48] it's essentially the same amount of
[16:50] length the first phase you could see out
[16:52] there went from their staircase 130 ft
[16:54] up towards the field where they have the
[16:56] flat area this phase would go from the
[16:58] end of that that wall and wrap around
[17:00] left field uh bringing that up to gray
[17:02] the idea is if that brings up to gray
[17:04] they have more of a walking area and
[17:06] they can also construct a a bullpen uh
[17:10] off of Left Field um usually uh on these
[17:13] little leag Fields what you try to do is
[17:15] you try to have a bullpen in left field
[17:16] and right field so that when the kids
[17:18] are warming up they're outside of the
[17:19] field to play but because of the grade
[17:21] uh it doesn't allow that so what they've
[17:23] had to do is construct the bullpens in
[17:25] the back around center field but it's
[17:28] kind inconvenient cuz you got to kind of
[17:29] walk down the hill around the fence down
[17:31] the grade up the grade and around so um
[17:34] they liked how it looked so much they
[17:35] wanted to use an additional $90,000 in
[17:38] arpa funding to pretty much finish the
[17:40] project you know um that would leave in
[17:43] the arpa funding a balance of
[17:46] $171,000 just so that you're
[17:51] aware um so this particular U pot of
[17:55] funding was not only for Michigan but
[17:57] also for Oregon correct so um that would
[18:00] that's that's what it would Le and what
[18:01] was the total 350 350 yep so and
[18:04] essentially half of it going to Michigan
[18:06] for the
[18:08] wall half of the uh 90 90 180 of the the
[18:14] 350 and then um I did speak with um you
[18:18] know JC the things that they're looking
[18:20] at doing at the Oregon facility were spr
[18:23] sprinklers fencing bleachers and to look
[18:26] at reestablishing the abandoned softball
[18:29] field in the wooded area behind uh so
[18:31] they would have
[18:32] $171,000 to do that work they believe
[18:36] that that is uh
[18:38] sufficient so you know I'm put it up to
[18:41] you guys for a decision I I don't know
[18:43] uh what other work they could be doing I
[18:46] don't know if anyone has any information
[18:47] for them I'm not active with both
[18:49] leagues too
[18:50] much you know the upgrades to the field
[18:53] would be the fence as you say the
[18:54] irrigation is important to maintain the
[18:57] grass and the field reduce the amount of
[18:59] work that they have to do which is a big
[19:01] thing maintaining the field uh the fence
[19:04] obviously is a big thing um getting that
[19:07] other field up to grade so that they can
[19:09] restart some of the additional programs
[19:11] is always important of course the
[19:12] bleachers so people can watch their kids
[19:16] um that they're pretty confident that
[19:18] they can uh do what they need to do
[19:21] there so um it would be good for the
[19:23] kids and good for uh the league are you
[19:26] speaking about organ or
[19:30] oron so Mr so this would not erode the
[19:33] money the 50% towards
[19:36] Oregon so what I'm saying is that this
[19:39] would leave 50% Oran I'm not saying that was supposed to be a 50/50 split I don't you know the applications were
[19:46] made and for instance I I'll say I um
[19:49] you know one of the things that was
[19:50] kicked around was the idea that we do
[19:53] far less work at Michigan and we put you
[19:55] know astro turf infield at JC you know
[19:58] but that is expensive so now the thought
[20:01] is you know what maybe that's in a you
[20:04] know a different relev we'll get rid of
[20:06] that we'll go to leveling irrigation
[20:08] systems fencing and we'll keep it at
[20:09] kind of the at this level you know
[20:12] there's not many fields around here that
[20:13] are at the little Le level with astral
[20:15] turf I know of
[20:17] one do do you have a timeline in terms
[20:20] of the AR the organ field I don't have a
[20:22] timeline for Oregon no um as you're
[20:25] probably aware the people who are
[20:27] involved with Michigan AB are more
[20:29] aggressive than the people who were
[20:30] involved with JC so you know I'm working
[20:33] with them more to get these things done
[20:35] because there's more of that where as
[20:37] the JC I'm not going to say they're not
[20:39] as organized it's just they're not as
[20:42] coming to me as much so this is
[20:44] something where we wanted to get the
[20:45] walls done get the project done it was
[20:47] also in coordination remember with the
[20:50] uh oh my God Sky Foundation project
[20:53] because that was part of theirs and I
[20:54] didn't want them to you know use that
[20:56] money for this so this is going to be a
[20:58] winter offse project to kind of see what
[21:00] it is these projects are really
[21:03] difficult for me because they are lots
[21:05] of little things and you have to kind of
[21:08] bid them itemized because nobody you
[21:10] know fencing fencing great bleachers we
[21:12] usually have to buy the bleachers
[21:13] ourselves maybe put them together
[21:15] sprinklers once again small so you're splitting all these up so it's
[21:19] really you know it's four different
[21:21] contracts whereas this wall was one
[21:23] fence wall all together so when when all
[21:25] the work is completed at Michigan Avenue
[21:27] field
[21:28] you will have available
[21:30] $171,000 right
[21:32] now it could be used for right now yes
[21:34] okay thank
[21:37] you um so you said this was a ask but I
[21:41] when in reading the what you what was
[21:42] given to us it said that originally you
[21:44] didn't think that it was necessary um or
[21:47] you you didn't put it in this part of so
[21:50] correct um is there any particular
[21:52] reason why I just want to why it
[21:54] initially wasn't and now it's being the
[21:56] ask is coming from um yeah no I I think
[21:58] it was because it's one of those things
[22:01] where at first when you do these things
[22:02] you have a little bit of a sticker shock
[22:04] and you look at it and you say you know
[22:05] oh that's a lot of money and then you
[22:07] start to see it and you start to see
[22:09] what it looks like and how the impact is
[22:11] and now when you go out there you see
[22:12] this beautiful wall and it kind of ends
[22:15] and it's like people are going you know
[22:17] what if we're going to do it we might as
[22:18] well do it and so I think that's where
[22:21] it is to wrap it around and just get it
[22:23] done and me in my position I'm always
[22:25] trying to be the fiscally conservative
[22:27] one you know what I mean and then the
[22:29] council can over overrule me every time
[22:31] if I said I wanted to do the one you
[22:33] said we want to do it all great I'll
[22:35] spend the money but at the first plus it
[22:37] was like you know let's be constrainted
[22:39] so I think that they see it and now it
[22:41] looks half finished and that was kind of
[22:44] the the impetus for wanting to do
[22:46] more
[22:49] okay any other questions or discussions
[22:52] run
[22:54] this I'll second alls in favor while
[22:58] you're here I do want to can I ask you
[22:59] another question about parks in general
[23:00] sure um because it looks like we're
[23:02] doing a lot in different parks and we're
[23:04] also hearing from people now about what
[23:06] about this park what about that park is
[23:08] there an overall Park
[23:09] plan um for the other Parks who are not
[23:13] included not included in well we heard
[23:16] from who was well I won't Cary Street we
[23:19] heard from and then there's there was
[23:21] one other so do we have an overall Park
[23:24] plan I guess is not right now okay no so
[23:26] uh right now the parks that are I'm
[23:28] coming to you the majority of them are
[23:30] the ones that we have funded with arpa
[23:31] money because we funded quite a few
[23:33] parks with arpa money and uh we are just
[23:36] trying to get them out the door so uh
[23:39] next just so you're aware uh on the arpa
[23:41] parks list is we are going to be doing
[23:42] the Michigan a Central Park tennis
[23:44] courts because we're trying to get them
[23:47] ready for the season which starts uh
[23:49] June 6th so that's the next ARA one uh
[23:53] we're also working with grout Park which
[23:55] has some money and um what's another one
[23:58] that we're working on well the lighting
[24:01] one up I don't know if anybody saw that
[24:02] on the a diamond it's not functioning
[24:04] yet there is a large back order with
[24:06] electrical panels but the lights are up
[24:07] so all we have to do is get some panels
[24:09] and we can turn them off okay but yeah
[24:12] right now arpa Parks projects are the
[24:13] focus there is not a larger Parks plan
[24:15] so Parks like carry Street or Parks uh
[24:19] that really didn't get that level of
[24:20] funding they're not in a the capital as
[24:22] you see it's
[24:24] just TBD they're the next round M
[24:28] all right all right thank you thank you
[24:30] so is the recreation advisory committee
[24:33] not we need to um reassemble the
[24:35] recreation advisory committee so I have
[24:37] to talk to Mayor McCarthy about that
[24:40] again oh okay there's there's only three
[24:43] people right now on it so we just need
[24:45] to recruit a few more M those okay are
[24:47] you looking for members we take
[24:49] suggestions we're always looking for
[24:53] thanks all right um the next item is a
[24:56] ceremonial resolution for breast cancer
[24:58] awareness Miss Patrick yes um Breast
[25:00] Cancer Awareness Month actually was
[25:02] October um we have in the past um done
[25:05] that resolution um and we missed it
[25:08] somehow this year but I think that it's
[25:09] important to continue to do it um the
[25:12] connecting firefighters Cancer
[25:13] Foundation uh wants to be involved with
[25:15] this as well they had approached um so
[25:19] I'm hoping that we can do the ceremonial
[25:20] resolution right looking for a
[25:23] motion so so Mo second all in favor I I
[25:29] okay uh you're welcome the next one is
[25:31] ceremoni resolution for SK bont Pop
[25:33] Warner M dor yes hi so the uh under 10
[25:36] went to the uh Super Bowl and They
[25:38] carried on and went even further um I've
[25:41] been speaking with uh the uh individuals
[25:44] and um we're going to uh present this at
[25:46] a later date oh not the council meeting
[25:48] okay thank you you're welcome um on
[25:51] entertain a motion so move second all in
[25:54] favor I thank you uh ceremon a
[25:57] resolution
[25:59] for uh complete Imports on their 50th
[26:02] Anniversary yes so um we will be
[26:04] presenting that um on the 13th at the
[26:07] store so um yep so so that I'll present
[26:11] it a later uh the actual resolution I'll
[26:13] present to them at a later date okay so
[26:15] you'll be at this you because that's the
[26:17] day we're passing it the 1th right so
[26:20] yes okay later date
[26:23] okay um just a reminder there's
[26:29] I'm sorry I need to enter a motion so
[26:32] second all in favor I I thank you I'll
[26:35] just a reminder this coming uh Monday
[26:37] there'll be presentation of the
[26:38] connected hardware and electric ceremony
[26:40] resolution which we passed a few weeks
[26:42] ago they they were not able to make it
[26:43] though that they will be here for this
[26:45] coming Monday's
[26:47] meeting all right um next item is
[26:49] discussion of ailia paper streak um that
[26:53] one need to be in ex session because
[26:56] include negotiations okay
[26:58] all right and it looks like everything
[27:00] beyond that is going to also be need to
[27:02] be an executive session for sale of
[27:04] properties so at this point in time I'll
[27:06] entertain a motion to recess City
[27:09] development and planning so Mo second
[27:11] all in favor we're
[27:13] recess thank you ID like to call the
[27:16] finance committee to order and the first
[27:18] item is call for public hearing on the
[27:19] dsad budget any discussion on
[27:23] this I'll move it second all in favor I
[27:27] the next item is calling for public
[27:29] hearing on the upper Union Street
[27:30] business Improvement District budget any
[27:33] discussion on this second all in favor I the next item is the discussion of
[27:39] 2024 operating
[27:42] budget and I would just to give an
[27:44] update and U this evening myself and M
[27:47] pfield
[27:49] and Mari had a discussion on the way
[27:53] forward for the 2024 operating
[27:56] budget I do think that we had a very
[27:59] fruitful um discussion this this
[28:00] afternoon and there were some very um
[28:04] important discussion in terms of how we
[28:06] move forward in
[28:07] addressing some of um some items that
[28:11] will generate additional Revenue um into
[28:13] the 2024 budget and those things will be
[28:15] discussed in terms of looking at
[28:17] commercial U garbage commercial water
[28:20] commercial SE and at the same time um
[28:23] the jackpot garbage fee um that the
[28:26] mayor team has been working on for some
[28:29] time and also the dumpster rental that
[28:31] the city had recently provided and they
[28:33] can look at that if the surface can be
[28:35] provided an additional Revenue so those
[28:38] are the four items that we discussed and
[28:40] um they may ask for some time for his
[28:44] stff to
[28:45] prepare um reports for us and to provide
[28:48] to the council so that we can able to
[28:50] look at the numbers for these four items
[28:53] and how do we move forward from that in
[28:55] terms of raising the fees on the
[28:56] commercial side
[28:58] if we can achieve that it will ease the
[29:00] burden on what we're pushing to
[29:02] reduce and able to arrive at a budget
[29:06] that will try to try to make everybody
[29:09] happy M pfield you want to address that
[29:12] no I think that's cover the I mean we've
[29:15] been trying for a while but we
[29:16] definitely needed to look at um one of
[29:18] the pushing points was that we didn't
[29:19] want to burden our tax our residence as
[29:21] much so we have definitely looked at the
[29:24] um the commercial side and see where we
[29:26] are with that and how we can um meet in
[29:29] the middle somewhere in terms of what uh
[29:32] the revenue that we need to generate in
[29:33] order to not to increase the um the fees
[29:37] um for our residents as much so we have
[29:40] that discussion and I also uh
[29:43] encourage council members if there are
[29:46] other things that they're concerned
[29:47] about they want to make sure that we
[29:48] discuss and really get this and finally
[29:50] get this budget P the police provide
[29:52] that information any other questions
[29:54] that you have any other concerns that
[29:55] you have you can um follow them to Miss
[29:58] Michael who will then disseminate them
[29:59] to all of us including the mayor um but
[30:02] we you know we've been trying to get
[30:04] there and I think we're closer now than
[30:07] we have been and um once we get these
[30:09] numbers uh the mayor will will have that
[30:12] discussion and then um the mayor will
[30:13] also and I can't um so he will be
[30:16] speaking to his his department heads in
[30:18] terms of other places that maybe if if
[30:20] there are an ability to make reductions
[30:22] so that's something that the mayor will
[30:24] do with his staff that know the council
[30:26] does not have any role in that but um so
[30:29] the ultimate goal is to to make sure
[30:31] that we um don't increase the rates of
[30:34] our residents as much that we're able to
[30:36] still function and do the work um that
[30:37] the city needs to do and um come to a
[30:41] budget that everyone can agree on um
[30:44] hopefully there will be unanimous
[30:46] consent on this budget that is the goal
[30:48] but we we don't know until we get comes
[30:50] time to vote so at this point in time Mr
[30:53] um Mr Mayor McCarthy has asked for more
[30:55] time to do that and Mr um Mr Mudan so
[31:01] did you want to I was going to ask M do
[31:03] you just want to add any different
[31:05] scenarios that will have thing the
[31:08] easiest thing to have the numbers by
[31:09] next Tuesday if you want them tonight
[31:11] I'll hold people or order people back to
[31:15] put it together and again just we're
[31:18] close and bringing this all together the
[31:21] cuts though the council has to come up
[31:24] with a number I go back to the
[31:26] Department
[31:30] to tell them what we have to work with
[31:32] and what number we have to come together
[31:34] on to put a backage in place but I
[31:38] thought what we said go ahead Mr M I
[31:40] thought we we look at the the the
[31:42] revenue from the water SE on garbage and
[31:44] the jackpot garbage fee on the
[31:46] commercial side and then we'll then
[31:48] we'll look at what we need to address on
[31:51] the cuts that was proposed maybe you
[31:53] might necess understand need to and then
[31:56] we just have to SL and was had to put
[31:59] back some money there so I think we
[32:01] agree to look at this for us and then
[32:03] address
[32:04] that on the cut that was suggested
[32:07] recommended by the council majority of
[32:09] the council and you had um asked for
[32:12] Time by towards
[32:13] day latest or next
[32:16] Tuesday be the easiest to put it
[32:18] together guess we'll provide those
[32:19] scenarios so Council have it I'll get it
[32:22] to you as soon as we have it in place
[32:25] okay yeah we want to give you a time we
[32:26] don't want to get have you know 24 hours
[32:29] or tonight that's that's unreasonable on
[32:31] my side to ask them to do it tonight or
[32:34] tomorrow tomorrow is a holiday anyway
[32:35] the staff so we have options here we can
[32:40] recess U the finance committee meeting
[32:42] until Tuesday if everybody's available
[32:43] next Tuesday and in the meantime the
[32:46] mayor and the staff will get all
[32:47] information email it to us we I'm not
[32:51] available what about Wednesday I'm out
[32:53] of town from basically Tuesday through
[32:57] Friday well actually so am I no I'm
[33:00] thinking about it I'm away from Tuesday
[33:02] to Friday next week so that pushes into
[33:04] the following
[33:08] week thank you for saying
[33:21] that because tomorrow is a holiday
[33:24] because of election and Friday is a
[33:26] holiday also this week Veterans Day so
[33:30] the staff only has two days to put this
[33:32] into this week and next week um what
[33:35] about the
[33:38] 14th Tuesday that's the next Tuesday
[33:41] that's Tuesday that's Tuesday I mean the
[33:43] 21 we're both the 14th
[33:46] that's sorry sorry I'm just thinking
[33:48] this
[33:50] way it's going so fast
[33:55] yeah
[34:01] I mean we can recess Monday um
[34:04] 5:30 and if we can agree on number then
[34:06] we can move it for unanimous consent on
[34:09] the
[34:11] Monday
[34:14] 13 I mean that works for me sometimes
[34:18] I'm overly optimistic in well we we can we can do that and you know if
[34:23] the numbers are moving the way we're
[34:24] moving then we can have it there on 13
[34:26] pass it if not we'll just go to a
[34:28] reserve date if we can have a reserve
[34:31] date of the following week the 20th
[34:34] which is or
[34:36] 24th if we can agree if we can get all
[34:39] information by the 13 to meet so I can
[34:41] recess for
[34:43] 5:30 or 5:00 on Monday the 13th if that
[34:47] is okay with
[34:48] everybody and hopefully we can get it on
[34:50] to the my unanimous consent 5:30 is that
[34:54] too late to get it on unanimous consent
[34:57] is it 5 or 5:30 it will have to be 5
[35:00] okay because they will give us at least
[35:01] an hour and a half two hours so would
[35:04] that be
[35:05] okay so click so we can get we could
[35:07] still get on
[35:10] consent so so 5:00 on
[35:14] 13th now do we need to a back
[35:17] update on the
[35:21] 24th for some reason we can't I hope I I
[35:25] don't want to do this but we we will get
[35:26] it is it 13th but if they go ahead if we
[35:31] don't get in 13th we don't just recess
[35:32] again so and then do we need to do that
[35:35] date right now recess on the 1 and then
[35:39] okay if we don't get that if we don't
[35:42] but I I'm finger crossed I think we're
[35:44] going to have a budget by the
[35:46] 13 running the risk of being overly
[35:49] optimistic with the May it seems like we
[35:51] should be able to do it things are
[35:53] moving in the right
[35:54] direction all right so we'll recess the
[35:57] finance committee meeting for November
[36:00] 13th at 5:00
[36:06] p.m. you good yes it is that small
[36:09] business award thing so I don't know
[36:16] that well I can always get somebody else
[36:18] to appear
[36:25] but
[36:27] motion is on the
[36:31] table to recess
[36:33] oh I'll second all in favor I thank
[36:38] you any other business support finance
[36:41] committee no sorry
[36:44] say all right I'd like i' like to I'd
[36:48] like to reconvene uh City development
[36:50] and planning and the items um that are
[36:54] remaining all need to be an exec
[36:58] session at this point I'd like to ask
[37:00] for a motion to go to the executive
[37:01] session second all those in
[37:13] favor