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I'd like to call City committee meeting

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for Monday November 13

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2023 and I'd like to turn it over to the

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chair of Finance thank you I would like

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to reconvene the finance

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committee and just sorry before we go

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into disc discussion where we left off

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last time we met we had um asked U the

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mayor and the administration to give us

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several reports regarding the waste

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water and Su so on the commercial side

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so we were fortunate to receive those

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reports so on this sheet here you should

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have the um water and stool commercial

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breakdown and on this sheet you will

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have the um the G break

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down so thank you umari for giving us um

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this breakdown in terms of where we are

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in terms of Marshall and theal

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um

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Brees um we we didn't receive any um

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analysis fee analysis for the

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jackpot and I think we still have

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outstanding the um vacancies a breakdown

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of the vacancy report uh we're waiting

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on HR HR said they cannot produce it

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from 2018 because they don't have enough

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information to

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go why would it matter I mean these are

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the jobs that are vacant now I

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mean I think also adding to that is also

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looking at where any interview they were

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mentioned on the table here that they

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were interview and put the potential

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higher and we would like to look at that

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for no there what any

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uh of those things

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happen so I will open discussion in

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terms of the commercial water sewer and

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the

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garbage and then we can address those

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um

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still outstanding

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reports and sorry you should also have

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this report here this is just a

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breakdown of the last um the most

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updated version from Mr ferari what we

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discussed and what was F commited so

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this is just for our

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so Mr M um we do have a debate on Mr fre

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this is what we give to us today did you

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want you have that yes does I have all

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the stuff that was asked her in terms of

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a hire interview no it's just it's just

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somebody I don't know if Miss Patrick

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you ask for that

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for we we asked when they were looking

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at um trying so okay where can we adjust

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somebody were saying on the T here that

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there are people who are being

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interviewed I think it was a May was

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saying that yes yeah sorry and the HR

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was going to provide us that information

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to know which category

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of the information they request is like

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go back to 2018 that was part they went

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back to 2021 and she said she couldn't

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go she she doesn't even know how to go

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back to 2018 to get that information but

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any know it doesn't really matter and

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this is these are the vacant jobs we

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have now yeah you know I that's what you

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got to decide you you want to keep it

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you want end them or whatever you have

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that report

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so so Mr go ahead so when we when initi

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when I initially asked that information

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Derek did not say Mr did not say that

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you could he simply said that the um

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person was out and so you're now this is

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the first time I'm hearing today that we

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can't asked her today she said she

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doesn't even know how to go back to to

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see right now can she go back to 2021

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well

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should that's what she was able to

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do and the reason that um that the

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request was to go back beyond that when

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we were discussing the vacancy um it was

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consistently said part of the reason

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they weren't filled is because of Co so

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we were trying to look at what what same

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positions were still vacant preo so

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that's why the ask was to go back

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further to look at pre-co to really make

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an informed decision if if the argument

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was that's because of Co that it wasn't

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fil so that's why if you if you want to

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go through one by one you can just see

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like the city clerk we took off the cler

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L because you said

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that's uh the IPS three that's pretty

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much a new position right yeah you had

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that long in a position right the

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assistant Corporation Council even

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probably back to 2012 there's been

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openings in assistant Corporation C for

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years right um

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Andrew ass

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Corporation you had openings for years

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my understanding is I don't know what

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has been in previous budgets for

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openings but I know that shortly before

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I started there were

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I believe six attorneys in the

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corporation council's office um

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Corporation councel Deputy Corp counsel

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um three assistant court councils and

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then there was one person who hadn't

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passed the bar but had graduated from

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law school that was doing attorney an

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attorney Ro

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position that was the last time and I

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believe that was either

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20 early 2018 early 2017

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perhaps that was before my time of

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sitting

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yeah so you see since the time we've

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been here has always been opening since

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then that's not the L we

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trying P AIT cork uh it say we're just

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waiting for a test that's why I took it

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off engineering it another one that's a

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new position that started last year

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there was somebody in it but now it's

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vacant next uh in

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2024 utilities this is a new position

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that just came up uh because of all the

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retirements uh it this is just get

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another it person John's are going to be

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leaving and they're reestablishing the

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whole it Department uh I took out the

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police and fire fighters the dog control

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officer we've had a missing a person

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missing there in the last five years

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that's because we had two people there

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they both went out on top and now we

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just got one person that's been like

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that for the last 3 four years em just

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before you go you just mentioned we

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removed the police and fire we're not

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addressing VES

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that's why I remove them that's that's a

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no touch now

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the uh that always going to be vacancies

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because people retire people come in

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there's always openings you know so

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there's always going to be openings of

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that the motor equipment the guy that

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works alone at light at night that's

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vacant now but that's you still have

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nobody made a decision if you want to

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keep it or not so I put it on as a

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vacant uh vacant as of 2024 again

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there's there more nvos uh Code

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Enforcement Officers as you know you

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know we've had trouble every year trying

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to get Code Enforcement Officers so for

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the last two three years that's been

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vacant code enforcement supervisor this

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is pretty much a uh what we had before

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was a part-time person was a supervisor

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uh he had left uh two three years ago

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and that's still a vacant position now

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senior planner just opened up this year

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we had the planner was there he left and

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then the CD supervising I took them out

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only because those are all newly vacant

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positions

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going back to going back to the top City

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CL clerical we're removing that

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position I fig it out because they have

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there some in that position cleric there

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was two clerical positions the one

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person vacated last week yeah so you

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know saying it's going to be re redone

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right you're going to reill it right or

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I can refill the IPS three that's vac

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right now but it's it's open

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right M Michael you you're okay with um

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not funding that clerically one of them

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yes

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okay any question on these vacancies

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so we also recommend we asked for um the

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ones that we asked to be taken out do we

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have a report on that ones from the

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dere um so when we went through it we

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had all of us had the they will be on

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this that's these are all the ones we

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asked to be taken out

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yes okay

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yeah if we were to remove any this will

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be addition to to

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this

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mrar the clerical Aid since we're

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removing it is not on this report so you

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will have to make I'm doing it right now

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as

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start so the bottom line number is going

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to be 121

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601 1213 601 what we're doing is uh uh we're subtracting out the cleric

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a subtracting out the ips3 and then

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adding back to clar BL

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right okay so the total will be 12 13

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601 be

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38140 but the cleric a is off of

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this we're not putting in the cleric a

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right isn't that what you just we're

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taking out the CL but keeping the IPS oh

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that's the IPS 3 is vac right now right

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mhm but it says zero for the clerical

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already so they just changed it because

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she said she rather do it the other way

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okay so this new sheet I'm sorry but the

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new sheet that we just got today that

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zero is going to be 38 140 and then

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we're going to make that 45

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9340 and the bottom number is going to

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be 1

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601

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and that just represents salary right

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yeah

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correct and your final calculation

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you'll do the

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benefit let's get all that stuff let's

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get the number just

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percentage so you just want to make up

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what your proposing for the um seing

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water and for the um they get that

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reductions in SE and water and the

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changes the let me say in the commercial

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searing order because that's where the

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changes

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were we should do one at a time okay all

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right let's go through the water first

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is up to you yeah I'm just trying I'm

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not really

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sure even though I was talking with Mr M

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today I wasn't really sure what was

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looking for no this is what I was

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looking for break away from the original

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Carl's proposal of 50% for water and

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sewer across the board but then we asked

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for to look at the commercial side what

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um how many Revenue are being generated

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on the commercial side and not including

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the residential

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so when we look at this here on the

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water your the revenue proposed revenue

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48666 for water and then on sewer the

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proposed

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Revenue

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776

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506 so what you did you just give us a

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breakdown to help us to look at what we

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had initially proposed by car and that

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number yes you did

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yeah what I'm recommending is we keep

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the the the Merit the

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post

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increase the commercial rate I mean just

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to help help you guys go forward because

284
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I personally think you should listen

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raise both rates but that's up to you

286
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guys uh for the water U the mayor's

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proposed increase for the water for a

288
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meter uh for unmetered sales you know

289
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the rular roll is only a 7%

290
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increase and now you're talking

291
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residential right correct the

292
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residential will be 7%

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increase I

294
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13

295
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yeah 7%

296
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so 556 to 5956 is only 7%

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increase

298
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No 7 percentage this is a proposal or

299
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this is after to Carl's um this is just

300
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the mayor's proposal I'm just trying to

301
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explain with Carl's on proposal it's

302
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3.5 Carl's proposal for is only for the

303
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commercial rate would increase it by

304
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15% and you know

305
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uh and I said you would have to make up

306
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the difference by uh the fund balance

307
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and says you just for the water if if

308
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you just use the Mir propos rate on both

309
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ends you have 26% increase in in the

310
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water to to the the the May's proposal

311
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comes to

312
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486 606 and the 7% increase in the UN

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meter of 396 then you would have to use

314
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any form balance in the water

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dep

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do you have the sheet that U sheet in

317
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The Proposal

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50% 2024 Council increase yes

319
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243,000 the new rate would be

320
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0364 it's a 133% increase which is half

321
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of what the budget is

322
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50% commercial

323
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yes so this is just for commercial

324
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that's just for commercial now the next leader the Le next line shows the

325
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mayor's proposed amount for uh uh the

326
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housing and that's only s for the

327
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households it's only a 7% increase you

328
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we're going from the 5 500 to

329
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5956 it's at

330
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$396,000 increase it's only 7%

331
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increase

332
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from 2023 so but you didn't then you

333
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didn't give us only the 50% of it then

334
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because the uh John asked me not to do

335
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that yeah because I thought we already

336
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factoring cars um if you want the 50% is

337
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a 198 you're reducing it by 198,000 405

338
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for water for water yeah but then like

339
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again then you're going to have to

340
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increase going to have to use

341
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uh fund

342
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balance to make up the difference so

343
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that's what I'm say I'm not sure what your guys are looking for

344
00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,039
here I'm I'm making the suggestion that

345
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you should use the N increases on both

346
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ends May any look for the jackpot um Fe

347
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analysis I don't have you don't

348
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have say that again the jackpot um oh

349
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jackpots jackpots yeah that's garbage

350
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right yes oh

351
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okay go ahead please Mr Ferrari and I

352
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think that you sent us an email also

353
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suggesting that perhaps if we did raise

354
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the rates on commercial that we might

355
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lose customers on the waist side on the

356
00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,559
side when when I was I gave you a whole

357
00:19:37,559 --> 00:19:40,559
yeah array of stuff if you looked at it

358
00:19:40,559 --> 00:19:42,960
uh you know the numbers you're trying

359
00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,640
you know if you wanted to really get up

360
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into million dollar differences you're

361
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looking at a 500% increase but anything

362
00:19:49,120 --> 00:19:51,760
I think anything above the 50% increase

363
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you will lose customers going forward

364
00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,600
you know because just one just won't be

365
00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,840
woring yeah that's going to my maximum

366
00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,480
500,000 500% increase and we're looking

367
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at 50% increases so the I believe the

368
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revenue is a little bit you know but

369
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it's not as much as the million dollars

370
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you guys are looking

371
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for and I show too you know what how it

372
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affects each each of those how much it

373
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would change the cost of the people

374
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would at the different rates too I want

375
00:20:25,039 --> 00:20:31,110
to see that that's why if I um

376
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me I would like to suggest something

377
00:20:33,559 --> 00:20:34,760
people based on the

378
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conversation and I have today um in

379
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terms of the water I would like to

380
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suggest that we um we go to the proposal

381
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,400
the full ask of 486 606

382
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206% on the commercial side and then go

383
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:55,080
down to the bottom with sewer I am

384
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proposing the for last 77

385
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,480
6506 and that will bring us in a better

386
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,720
position but that is my recommendation

387
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,240
at the point5 and the on meter I will

388
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stick with Mr Williams proposal initial

389
00:21:10,919 --> 00:21:16,630
proposal of

390
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50% saying 50% of the

391
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:25,360
meoros that is the res right so 19844

392
00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:27,679
yes what was that number again 198 I

393
00:21:27,679 --> 00:21:30,990
think just did it myself so

394
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,159
19845 yeah we reduce uh the M proposed

395
00:21:34,159 --> 00:21:37,720
budget by 198 405 yeah so that is my

396
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,240
recommendation so go full as to the

397
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,960
proposal 486 606 for

398
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water and 50% for the on meter

399
00:21:44,919 --> 00:21:54,190
residential and full as for the S

400
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77656 they unmuted for the

401
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sewer

402
00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:18,310
you that is also U 50% we stick to the

403
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:22,480
original 873 734 the reduction from the

404
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,480
mar

405
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,960
873 87

406
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,679
8737

407
00:22:28,679 --> 00:22:31,440
$34 reduction from the May's

408
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:40,669
proposal from 9.6 million to 8.8

409
00:22:40,679 --> 00:22:42,960
million then I have to figure out how

410
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,840
much uh F balance we going to be using

411
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:46,600
that

412
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:51,159
but so I'm I'm happy it's less wait so

413
00:22:51,159 --> 00:22:55,679
we'd have to make up 873 734 plus

414
00:22:55,679 --> 00:22:58,520
19845 is what you're saying is what I'm

415
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,279
thinking there were some adjustment

416
00:23:00,279 --> 00:23:04,200
already made by Mr Williams proposal so

417
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,200
the numbers once this is facturing into

418
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,799
the report it will he will push away um

419
00:23:09,799 --> 00:23:12,799
because initially Miss Patrick they he

420
00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:15,520
they did 50% of both commercial and

421
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,480
residential and now it's being 100% of

422
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,789
commercial and only 50% of

423
00:23:21,799 --> 00:23:24,080
residential I guess I need to see how it

424
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:28,880
all you see the number there push you're

425
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,000
yeah because we haven't made decisions

426
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:36,279
about cutting all these vacancies that's that's a whole different fun

427
00:23:36,279 --> 00:23:37,640
that's why I think we need see the big

428
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,120
picture water and sore is separate from

429
00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:42,919
that I understand that I just don't feel

430
00:23:42,919 --> 00:23:44,960
like we can make a decis whatever we do

431
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,720
with the vacancy we we'll go to the

432
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,840
general fund and help offset what we

433
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,240
talked about last week in terms of

434
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:56,070
pushing back some fun to some of the

435
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,360
lines so I mean that is is what I'm

436
00:23:58,360 --> 00:23:59,760
proposing on the table I mean I think

437
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,400
that's reasonable um compromise on my

438
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,159
side and I hope that you can see the

439
00:24:05,159 --> 00:24:07,159
same way I mean glad that I had a

440
00:24:07,159 --> 00:24:11,400
conversation with Mr today and last week

441
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:12,880
to get a better understanding of where

442
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,240
we are go ahead please and I'd also like

443
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,080
to add uh thank you very much to your

444
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,679
office for providing these numbers at

445
00:24:19,679 --> 00:24:21,279
least for myself personally having a

446
00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:24,159
better representation of of how to

447
00:24:24,159 --> 00:24:26,600
attribute these increases to our city uh

448
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,200
I think it is fair uh this breakdown of

449
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,720
meeting the mayor's requested ask for

450
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,000
the commercial side while allowing some

451
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,440
Breathing Room FL for our residents um

452
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,840
whom of which have been vocal about um

453
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,240
not having these increases in general

454
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,559
but I think in understanding more the

455
00:24:43,559 --> 00:24:45,240
context that Mr ferari has been speaking

456
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,480
in as we need to start planning for

457
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,440
future years uh hopefully this SS as a

458
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,240
appropriate concession

459
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,720
for and just to add to that to the other

460
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,039
I just mentioned too the commercial

461
00:24:58,039 --> 00:25:01,279
garage I mean I understand I'm Mr F

462
00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:02,640
concerned about people might want to

463
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,039
drop out but I would like to suggest

464
00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:07,120
that we increase on the commercial side

465
00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:08,240
commercial

466
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,440
garbage um to

467
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,279
$5.7 per gallon

468
00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:17,720
50% that will generate this worksheet

469
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:22,590
here

470
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,919
$114,000 you can go to 100% but that

471
00:25:24,919 --> 00:25:26,679
might be too

472
00:25:26,679 --> 00:25:29,799
extreme I think it's too

473
00:25:29,799 --> 00:25:32,360
extreme you know just around a rle with

474
00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:34,320
this why don't why don't we try to at

475
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,760
least the raise the the regular waste

476
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:44,230
while on a roll

477
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:49,159
here go ahead I'd like to know why un

478
00:25:49,159 --> 00:25:50,440
owner

479
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,679
occupied two family houses as well as

480
00:25:53,679 --> 00:25:56,440
units with three units or more aren't

481
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,600
included in the increase

482
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,320
because those are basically commercial

483
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,080
establishments they're small businesses

484
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,039
anything over yeah four it was meter

485
00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:10,480
right okay so that leads out the two and

486
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,080
three family right corre but those are

487
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,440
those will be a homeowner ones that

488
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,039
we're not I'm saying Unown or occupied

489
00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:20,909
yeah those should be

490
00:26:20,919 --> 00:26:23,399
included that is not originally part of

491
00:26:23,399 --> 00:26:26,600
the how the calculation is done not

492
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,559
water yeah yeah yeah that's not part of

493
00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:32,679
the calculation I understand that what

494
00:26:32,679 --> 00:26:34,679
I'm saying is if we're looking at this

495
00:26:34,679 --> 00:26:37,039
from a commercial perspective those are

496
00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:39,840
small businesses they should be included

497
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:40,880
in that

498
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,279
increase go ahead please I don't believe

499
00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:45,720
that they those properties are metered I

500
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,720
believe those are

501
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,200
unmetered for that is it is it a for

502
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,480
family or hire are for Residential

503
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,039
Properties yes it's 411 4 family or more

504
00:26:56,039 --> 00:26:58,399
would be met should have meters maybe

505
00:26:58,399 --> 00:26:59,919
consider commercial about one to three

506
00:26:59,919 --> 00:27:03,000
or not no I understand I'm saying oh

507
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,960
about making that adjustment it could be

508
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,080
I

509
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:13,310
think under

510
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,840
four we know how that is something I

511
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,840
want to look in the future 50% increase

512
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,760
will help the one two and three because

513
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,559
that' be per unit you know so the three

514
00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:26,520
unit three separate charges

515
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,720
yes and that is going up by 50% so and

516
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,960
do we have any idea of how many of these

517
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,279
U two family households that have been

518
00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:39,679
converted in the three four or five

519
00:27:39,679 --> 00:27:42,039
Apartments because a lot of those I

520
00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:46,750
believe are not on the books

521
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,919
and can that be a question for code

522
00:27:48,919 --> 00:27:50,400
enforcement yeah that's what I'm

523
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,240
[Music]

524
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,360
saying now if we based on garbage uh the

525
00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:58,200
total number of not exempt three

526
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,600
families are

527
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:04,399
425 436 well 425 not exempt with 11

528
00:28:04,399 --> 00:28:06,919
three families that are exemp uh the

529
00:28:06,919 --> 00:28:09,039
total number of non-exempt two families

530
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:10,880
is

531
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,600
4,962 and the total number of uh single

532
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,679
families is

533
00:28:16,679 --> 00:28:20,240
9,000 not EXA

534
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,880
9,475 total of

535
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,519
10,168 and those are for

536
00:28:25,519 --> 00:28:33,230
garbage so I fig it's almost about the

537
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:38,039
same there's a 925 uh exempt properties

538
00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:42,029
you know in the

539
00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:43,880
garbage and like you're saying since

540
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,360
we're talking about waste should we at

541
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,559
least raise regular waste at least 50%

542
00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:51,000
at

543
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,000
least and you're saying to raise it 50%

544
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,720
of the mayor's proposed budget what

545
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,279
you're right okay want to be clear about

546
00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:00,240
that from 78 to 39 and I also think you

547
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,679
should also raise the exent parcels I

548
00:29:02,679 --> 00:29:04,159
mean they've been at

549
00:29:04,159 --> 00:29:10,320
$137 for like P 10 years and that's one two or three family exemp you

550
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,279
know so if if you're a exemp person you

551
00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:16,720
own a three Family House your all three

552
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,399
families you're only paying

553
00:29:18,399 --> 00:29:21,159
$137 it doesn't multiply like uh the

554
00:29:21,159 --> 00:29:23,519
right standard owns you're not playing

555
00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:27,840
137 times three I me you say that that's

556
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,799
um

557
00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:33,799
senior yeah senior uh disability uh and

558
00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:39,440
disabled vets senior disabled and vs vs

559
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,720
yeah and

560
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,960
so you know like S I think we should

561
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,039
minimum because just the one you know

562
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:48,240
now make sure you going have to raise it

563
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,679
again because you're not raising it

564
00:29:49,679 --> 00:29:52,399
enough now you're you're going to uh

565
00:29:52,399 --> 00:29:55,519
like I said if you raise it uh $39 for

566
00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:59,200
uh uh the units for waste collection and

567
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,600
then also for the exempt

568
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,399
$38 so the new rate would go from 249 to

569
00:30:06,399 --> 00:30:09,399
288 and the parcels exempt Parcels go

570
00:30:09,399 --> 00:30:13,710
137 to

571
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,039
175 yeah you're

572
00:30:16,039 --> 00:30:18,720
talking go ahead and I just wonder you

573
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,440
know by raising the commercial rates is

574
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,159
that going to get passed on to our

575
00:30:22,159 --> 00:30:26,120
residents in a more outstanding way um

576
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,120
when their rates go up

577
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,600
who's going to cover that amount of

578
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,399
money well the same thing going to

579
00:30:32,399 --> 00:30:35,279
happen for um residential too the tenant

580
00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:37,919
pass on to the ten so

581
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:39,840
it's it's going to affect everybody

582
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:40,799
across the

583
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:45,559
board own and renter and business and

584
00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:46,840
business

585
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,399
payr so advocating did not raise the

586
00:30:49,399 --> 00:30:51,519
rates pardon me are you advocating to

587
00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:53,320
not raise the rates then I think it

588
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,200
should should be over not just the

589
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,720
commercial rates I think we everyone

590
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,360
should pay the own share uh residence

591
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,240
and Commercial and not just burden the

592
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,960
commercial part of

593
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,080
it just I said you we did it with the

594
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,320
water sore we maybe we should do the 50%

595
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,639
for Waste too from 78 to 39 I know Merit

596
00:31:13,639 --> 00:31:14,559
is not

597
00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:16,639
enough but I'm just trying to find a

598
00:31:16,639 --> 00:31:19,919
compromise here well let me be clear I

599
00:31:19,919 --> 00:31:22,799
have to have something that is balanced

600
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:24,679
the revenue is there to pay the debt

601
00:31:24,679 --> 00:31:32,750
service and need you to take that into

602
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,320
consideration may you don't have the fee

603
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,519
analysis for Jack is there like another

604
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:39,600
week or so together or another couple

605
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,000
days or just a week another day or two

606
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,639
or is that the still working at the

607
00:31:45,639 --> 00:31:50,590
problem also with just the jackpots

608
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:55,039
become in theory it's self-correcting so

609
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:58,000
you have the jackpots out there now

610
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,639
uh we're going to find people chargeing

611
00:32:00,639 --> 00:32:03,320
more they're not going to put it out

612
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,960
anymore and so I can't treat that as a

613
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,750
reoccurring Revenue Source going

614
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,559
forward even though it's something we

615
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:14,919
should do to get compliance and get

616
00:32:14,919 --> 00:32:17,600
people who are really abusing the system

617
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,159
but it's not going

618
00:32:19,159 --> 00:32:22,519
to solve the problem

619
00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:25,120
really pull through the 24 budget or

620
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,600
clearly going into the 25 budget but but

621
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,639
it does on one end it's that's not going

622
00:32:30,639 --> 00:32:33,120
to be a reoccurring hopefully if it

623
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,480
people are adhering to it it won't

624
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,320
reoccur what it will do is lessen the

625
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,679
burden and the cost of operating cost of

626
00:32:39,679 --> 00:32:41,880
the city so so you get the savings on

627
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,360
that side but yeah to your point that

628
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,919
will be

629
00:32:45,919 --> 00:32:54,230
reur okay that's

630
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,440
good I mean I I I think suff I mean in

631
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,480
terms of going FL out and then going 50%

632
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,720
for the on meter water and SE and going

633
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,120
100% out for the the sewer and water on

634
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,600
the commercial

635
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,039
side and at the same time we can look at

636
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:18,830
the garbage in from l50

637
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:25,269
50% I mean I I'm going to stick to

638
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:31,710
those say that again John you stick but what I what I suggested

639
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,960
there I think this is a big compromise

640
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,799
because if we were to add all of this up

641
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:40,870
here this is about like4

642
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,320
900,000 additional

643
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,000
Revenue

644
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,399
me if we were to add all of this up I'm

645
00:33:47,399 --> 00:33:49,279
thinking it's going to go upwards of $8

646
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:51,960
to $900,000 uh yeah you don't have what

647
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,200
numbers what numbers you're talking

648
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,320
about the 100% for water commercial 50%

649
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,799
well that's remember that's separate

650
00:33:59,799 --> 00:34:02,680
from yeah yeah I'm not I'm not I'm not

651
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,760
[Music]

652
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:09,839
even yeah so uh the 100% uh water and

653
00:34:09,839 --> 00:34:11,679
the

654
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:15,679
50% water uh that will bring us to you

655
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:18,399
know we have to use uh the difference of

656
00:34:18,399 --> 00:34:23,599
$198,400 for f balance to balance that I

657
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:25,560
believe that's how it works I going to

658
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,349
have to look at it

659
00:34:29,359 --> 00:34:31,879
say but the water sore you know we'll

660
00:34:31,879 --> 00:34:34,480
take a look at that but we got to figure

661
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,200
out the general fund now we're saying

662
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,760
114,000 for additional of the 50%

663
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,200
increase right yes 250 100

664
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,280
25 okay now we talk about raising the

665
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,599
other part of

666
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:51,879
it no I'm

667
00:34:51,879 --> 00:34:56,000
not not on my side okay so then I don't

668
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,160
know what the other is so so we're going

669
00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,440
to take that

670
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,160
114,000

671
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,040
and and uh reduce appropriate fund

672
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,119
balance if we add that revenue from

673
00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:11,940
three an additional

674
00:35:11,940 --> 00:35:16,589
[Music]

675
00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:19,440
3.2 well not only reduce the fund

676
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,520
balance I think we have suggestion in

677
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,200
terms of of pushing

678
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:31,000
back police rce the f from 4 4.1 to 4

679
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,599
million if you get that additional

680
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:37,950
revenue from the

681
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:46,440
garbage can can we use that towards the the police over time and the

682
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,400
fire over

683
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,359
time split

684
00:35:50,359 --> 00:35:53,640
it if there is not if there is no other

685
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,599
if there's no other um if there's no

686
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:57,560
other suggested um

687
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,480
on these vacancies then that's what I'm

688
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,200
suggesting I think you brought it up

689
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,160
last week to again I think we have to

690
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:07,319
look at it as a big picture because we have numbers all over the place here

691
00:36:07,319 --> 00:36:08,960
so we'd have to see how it plugged in I

692
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,040
mean I think several of us want to make

693
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,319
sure that we're not cutting the police

694
00:36:12,319 --> 00:36:17,800
and fire over time um so I mean so so

695
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,720
why don't we if you don't mind Mr farari

696
00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:24,430
just address these the

697
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,560
water come right back

698
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,880
uh can I say one more think about the

699
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,560
garbage 39 50% you know that's gonna

700
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,079
that's going to increase your budget let

701
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:39,640
me just see where we are here let's see

702
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:46,319
52 to 52 to

703
00:36:46,319 --> 00:36:50,319
61 so it's about 800,000 $800,000

704
00:36:50,319 --> 00:36:52,880
increase that if we go with the mayor's

705
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,040
figure for the no no you go half with

706
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,520
the mayor's figure go with the mayor's

707
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:57,920
fig figures and you don't have to worry

708
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,470
about

709
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,920
[Applause]

710
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,359
nothing I'm going go do water sore you

711
00:37:04,359 --> 00:37:06,359
guys figure out the rest right yeah I

712
00:37:06,359 --> 00:37:08,599
mean I I also still have major concern

713
00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:10,000
if we take too much money out of the

714
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,760
reserve fund so that's another important

715
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:23,829
figure that we have to look

716
00:37:23,839 --> 00:37:32,920
at we can we can continue discussion on the

717
00:37:32,930 --> 00:37:33,500
[Applause]

718
00:37:33,500 --> 00:37:55,589
[Music]

719
00:37:55,599 --> 00:38:17,630
vacancies

720
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:25,510
how many positions there

721
00:38:25,520 --> 00:51:54,349
are

722
00:51:54,359 --> 01:34:40,790
e

723
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:42,600
yeah please Mr you just want to walk us

724
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:44,280
through the sewer first and then the

725
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:50,470
water

726
01:34:50,480 --> 01:34:54,280
ches the proposed so what we're doing is

727
01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:56,960
with the sore we meter charges inside

728
01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:59,360
the city we're not doing any counil

729
01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:01,760
changes we're going with the mayor's

730
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:05,400
proposal and then we're taking 50% of

731
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:08,119
the mayor's proposal reducing it by

732
01:35:08,119 --> 01:35:11,600
873,000 at 8.8

733
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:14,880
million um and then we of course to

734
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:17,280
offset that we're going to be using

735
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:19,520
we're just a s we're using

736
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:21,840
873,000

737
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:23,920
$734

738
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:31,030
of fund balance to uh even the sore

739
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:34,629
F the

740
01:35:34,639 --> 01:35:50,390
changes in the next

741
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:53,920
page got water next so you

742
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:58,239
guys with the um sewer fund there says

743
01:35:58,239 --> 01:36:00,920
873,000

744
01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:03,920
in appropriate fund balance the new

745
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:06,639
budget says

746
01:36:06,639 --> 01:36:14,830
441 excuse

747
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:20,320
me should be 873 I see say new budget

748
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:26,270
873

749
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:29,520
734 yeah sorry John thank you very much

750
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:30,960
put that out for me the water is the

751
01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:34,870
same

752
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:40,109
thingo the water is the same

753
01:36:40,119 --> 01:36:41,960
thing

754
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:45,280
where counil

755
01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:50,270
changes should

756
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:59,270
be

757
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:01,360
you have water we don't have water you

758
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:04,560
don't have it either I got it oh you're

759
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:07,760
the only one that doesn't have is P

760
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:12,719
Water I don't have that's down thank

761
01:37:12,719 --> 01:37:15,639
you and we need the mayor needs water

762
01:37:15,639 --> 01:37:18,709
also one

763
01:37:18,719 --> 01:37:22,800
side all that you can see the thing

764
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:25,199
correct okay now all right somebody has

765
01:37:25,199 --> 01:37:26,760
one water extra because we only have

766
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:28,000
sewer

767
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:36,510
left it's like

768
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:40,599
four John is on the water page yes yeah

769
01:37:40,599 --> 01:37:42,199
the same so you just have to spr that

770
01:37:42,199 --> 01:37:47,510
out put

771
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:50,920
19 yep yeah but the ultimate number is

772
01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:54,440
correct though the math is correct this

773
01:37:54,440 --> 01:37:56,520
oh the math is correct even with the new

774
01:37:56,520 --> 01:38:05,990
number no no no it wasn't on the

775
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:20,109
SE

776
01:38:20,119 --> 01:38:23,220
changeid your

777
01:38:23,220 --> 01:38:27,870
[Music]

778
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:31,960
phone right he's doing it he's doing it

779
01:38:31,960 --> 01:38:34,440
Miss ptoi just said he's doing it no I'm

780
01:38:34,440 --> 01:38:43,709
doing water first

781
01:38:43,719 --> 01:38:45,719
okay

782
01:38:45,719 --> 01:38:49,280
was see who does it

783
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:52,400
first okay and this

784
01:38:52,400 --> 01:39:01,669
work why

785
01:39:01,679 --> 01:39:05,920
is 2 3 4 1

786
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:17,669
38

787
01:39:17,679 --> 01:39:23,830
59 that's that's so this will be

788
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:24,840
8

789
01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:27,040
8298

790
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:34,159
267 then this adds up to the same 2 3 41

791
01:39:34,159 --> 01:39:36,119
380

792
01:39:36,119 --> 01:39:42,669
plus 575

793
01:39:42,679 --> 01:39:45,239
42

794
01:39:45,239 --> 01:39:47,199
5758

795
01:39:47,199 --> 01:39:54,189
482 and then 198 405

796
01:39:54,199 --> 01:39:55,480
they came out a different number than I

797
01:39:55,480 --> 01:39:57,960
just did 2 3 41 better go use your

798
01:39:57,960 --> 01:39:59,080
spreadsheet

799
01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:01,400
anth I should have just added it by hand

800
01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:04,470
would have just been

801
01:40:04,480 --> 01:40:06,560
easier actually think that's what I'm

802
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:09,750
going to

803
01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:12,159
do

804
01:40:12,159 --> 01:40:19,960
8298 5 six seven so that works

805
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:21,480
out

806
01:40:21,480 --> 01:40:23,400
so so we're just looking at the bunch of

807
01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:25,239
changes and the bunch of

808
01:40:25,239 --> 01:40:29,400
changes and then I I put the actual

809
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:39,470
revenues over here show that it works

810
01:40:39,480 --> 01:40:49,910
out 78

811
01:40:49,920 --> 01:41:04,550
48

812
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:12,910
14

813
01:41:12,920 --> 01:41:17,830
[Music]

814
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:25,830
15 15 16

815
01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:31,520
24 124 38 487 yes yep they all they all

816
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:35,159
good what did you get for the um water

817
01:41:35,159 --> 01:41:37,480
8298

818
01:41:37,480 --> 01:41:39,239
567

819
01:41:39,239 --> 01:41:45,840
267 me too 8298 267 excuse me 267 267

820
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:48,910
can't read my

821
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:52,000
own so

822
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:54,560
that again for

823
01:41:54,560 --> 01:42:02,400
me so let's start with the water the sewer water meter sales

824
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:05,960
commercial we proposed budget was

825
01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:09,840
2,341 380 we're proposing no changes now

826
01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:12,040
because we're using the May's commercial

827
01:42:12,040 --> 01:42:14,880
rate then the unmet sales which would be

828
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:15,599
the

829
01:42:15,599 --> 01:42:18,880
homeowners uh the proposed was

830
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:23,599
596 5956 6 887 we're reducing that by

831
01:42:23,599 --> 01:42:26,840
half of what the the mayor's uh proposal

832
01:42:26,840 --> 01:42:28,639
was that comes to

833
01:42:28,639 --> 01:42:31,920
19845 to bring the new budget to

834
01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:35,800
57 5842 and then our appropriate fund

835
01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:38,199
balance is

836
01:42:38,199 --> 01:42:41,840
8,405 that we'll be using for the water

837
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:49,750
fund to make it make the pro budget

838
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:53,320
even and you can see

839
01:42:53,320 --> 01:43:03,800
that P actual weon

840
01:43:03,810 --> 01:43:05,760
[Applause]

841
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:12,270
changes propos equals the proposed

842
01:43:12,280 --> 01:43:15,159
budget the same with

843
01:43:15,159 --> 01:43:18,719
the so let spend a second on the um the

844
01:43:18,719 --> 01:43:23,159
fund balance that's basically 1.

845
01:43:23,159 --> 01:43:28,199
1871 329 correct excuse me the fund

846
01:43:28,199 --> 01:43:31,960
balance for what water or soil yeah both

847
01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:34,440
together oh together yes so it's going

848
01:43:34,440 --> 01:43:36,040
to be

849
01:43:36,040 --> 01:43:42,960
873 and 200,000 so 1. 871 229 uh

850
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:46,280
329 so what would that leave us for fund

851
01:43:46,280 --> 01:43:48,480
balance okay for

852
01:43:48,480 --> 01:44:03,629
uh I have that figures in

853
01:44:03,639 --> 01:44:07,080
for 800,000 we have 3

854
01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:11,320
million 2.8 million for sore at

855
01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:15,840
800,000 it's going to leave us with U

856
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:18,119
of un

857
01:44:18,119 --> 01:44:21,599
assigned about the million million

858
01:44:21,599 --> 01:44:26,760
5 2.3 million5 and the water fund we

859
01:44:26,760 --> 01:44:31,760
have 2.3 million and 200,000 so it's

860
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:37,070
about 2 million 2.1

861
01:44:37,080 --> 01:44:39,960
million I think I gave you guys all the

862
01:44:39,960 --> 01:44:43,000
F balances last time here I I had

863
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:44,320
thought I had in my workbook but I think

864
01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:45,840
I left in the

865
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:49,599
office all Pap this thing yeah yeah

866
01:44:49,599 --> 01:44:51,119
there you go

867
01:44:51,119 --> 01:44:54,239
can yeah thank you very much so uh for

868
01:44:54,239 --> 01:44:55,840
the water fund like you said the UN side

869
01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:58,159
is 2.2 million we going to take away

870
01:44:58,159 --> 01:44:59,960
200,000 is going to be 2 million the

871
01:44:59,960 --> 01:45:03,960
sore fund uh it's 3.1 million it take

872
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:08,880
800,000 uh is that 2.3 million so a few

873
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:12,239
years ago there were several big uh

874
01:45:12,239 --> 01:45:15,639
sewer issues how much just I don't

875
01:45:15,639 --> 01:45:18,159
remember the numbers what were those

876
01:45:18,159 --> 01:45:21,639
expenses just off roughly

877
01:45:21,639 --> 01:45:25,639
I mean uh well are you talking about the

878
01:45:25,639 --> 01:45:27,599
project that we did the sore water no

879
01:45:27,599 --> 01:45:30,880
like the there was that major break in

880
01:45:30,880 --> 01:45:34,800
one the major break uh off of 890 over

881
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:37,360
there that was like 1.3 million which we

882
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:40,560
use the reserves F uh the most recently

883
01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:43,199
was the the crack on Eastern Avenue that

884
01:45:43,199 --> 01:45:46,280
was 500,000 anytime we have a break it's

885
01:45:46,280 --> 01:45:49,080
a minimum of 250,000 if it go if it goes

886
01:45:49,080 --> 01:45:51,360
below 10 ft if it we have to go 10 fet

887
01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:53,320
or more where we're hit in the million

888
01:45:53,320 --> 01:45:56,430
dollar

889
01:45:56,440 --> 01:45:59,080
Mark so then we would have what did you

890
01:45:59,080 --> 01:46:03,870
say about a million dollars left

891
01:46:03,880 --> 01:46:06,920
correct two two two million and I'm

892
01:46:06,920 --> 01:46:11,000
strictly talking the the sewer yeah two

893
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:14,599
2 million in water and about uh 2.3

894
01:46:14,599 --> 01:46:18,000
million in s left wait because we got

895
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:21,320
3.1 minus 800,000 right

896
01:46:21,320 --> 01:46:41,080
didn't you say 1 million before no you know when I gave you the water

897
01:46:41,080 --> 01:46:43,880
sore funds I I also wrote you that you

898
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:45,760
know it's all the reason why we're

899
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:47,199
looking especially for the sore for the

900
01:46:47,199 --> 01:46:49,840
increase was due to the the debt payment

901
01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:53,040
for the right you know which over

902
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:55,159
million a year for the next 30 Years

903
01:46:55,159 --> 01:46:56,920
right

904
01:46:56,920 --> 01:47:01,360
that's the simple number is you know we

905
01:47:01,360 --> 01:47:03,639
the simple number is we spent 50 some

906
01:47:03,639 --> 01:47:05,560
million dollar doing all the

907
01:47:05,560 --> 01:47:09,920
upgrades we had $21 million in Grants

908
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:11,360
now we owe $30

909
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:15,159
million it's approximately a million a

910
01:47:15,159 --> 01:47:17,800
year most of that is zero interest so

911
01:47:17,800 --> 01:47:20,760
it's a good overall financing package

912
01:47:20,760 --> 01:47:22,239
but what you're coming back is now

913
01:47:22,239 --> 01:47:23,840
you're going to say in the budget I

914
01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:27,480
proposed which takes that into account

915
01:47:27,480 --> 01:47:29,719
of maintaining our fund balance so when

916
01:47:29,719 --> 01:47:31,599
we have events we're going to have cash

917
01:47:31,599 --> 01:47:34,520
to be able to deal with it and you're

918
01:47:34,520 --> 01:47:37,320
going to cut a million dollars out which

919
01:47:37,320 --> 01:47:41,119
would be the annual payment on that debt

920
01:47:41,119 --> 01:47:43,599
these numbers are big but the actual

921
01:47:43,599 --> 01:47:46,760
cost of the resident is a small amount

922
01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:48,920
to get a very high quality source of

923
01:47:48,920 --> 01:47:51,840
water and a very high

924
01:47:51,840 --> 01:47:55,639
quality uh Wastewater system that serves

925
01:47:55,639 --> 01:47:58,440
the residents and also positions as

926
01:47:58,440 --> 01:48:13,189
stability and economic growth going

927
01:48:13,199 --> 01:48:15,639
forward I don't want to be negative here

928
01:48:15,639 --> 01:48:17,960
but we I don't want to end up you know

929
01:48:17,960 --> 01:48:21,159
my time here is is coming close and I

930
01:48:21,159 --> 01:48:23,080
don't see the position of the city

931
01:48:23,080 --> 01:48:24,480
happen what happened to Fint Michigan

932
01:48:24,480 --> 01:48:26,280
where you're just going to have to take

933
01:48:26,280 --> 01:48:28,000
water right out of the Mohawk or dump

934
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:30,199
right into the Mohawk because you're

935
01:48:30,199 --> 01:48:31,440
going have to save money because you

936
01:48:31,440 --> 01:48:33,560
can't can't afford the to run the prod

937
01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:36,040
what you got to run well that's part of

938
01:48:36,040 --> 01:48:38,880
consent order things that we're doing so

939
01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:41,400
it's not like we're doing it as

940
01:48:41,400 --> 01:48:45,159
Choice correct we need a

941
01:48:45,159 --> 01:48:49,199
compliance of state federal

942
01:48:49,199 --> 01:48:50,880
standards

943
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:52,400
so Anthony you just want to walk us the

944
01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:54,560
general

945
01:48:54,560 --> 01:48:57,560
fund I'm confused

946
01:48:57,560 --> 01:49:00,400
with okay so uh really the only changes

947
01:49:00,400 --> 01:49:02,400
that we made since last time was the the

948
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:06,589
commercial waste free we increased it by

949
01:49:06,599 --> 01:49:11,080
$4,125 and and what we did is we add the

950
01:49:11,080 --> 01:49:13,679
revenue 114,000 we reduced police

951
01:49:13,679 --> 01:49:16,719
overtime by the

952
01:49:16,719 --> 01:49:20,920
56,000 whatever it was from 350 to 29 to

953
01:49:20,920 --> 01:49:28,960
937 and they fire to um by 292,000 so we took the 114,000 split it between the

954
01:49:28,960 --> 01:49:43,910
police and fire over

955
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:46,730
timebody

956
01:49:46,730 --> 01:49:48,040
[Music]

957
01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:51,000
down I had thought

958
01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:54,070
no no this

959
01:49:54,080 --> 01:49:57,280
is this one here you have an extra

960
01:49:57,280 --> 01:50:01,000
should be I

961
01:50:01,010 --> 01:50:04,189
[Music]

962
01:50:04,199 --> 01:50:09,280
made anybody has

963
01:50:09,290 --> 01:50:14,790
[Music]

964
01:50:14,800 --> 01:50:17,159
extra what are you looking for extra I

965
01:50:17,159 --> 01:50:18,520
think they're looking for an extra of

966
01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:23,350
this one yes you have it

967
01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:25,520
nope all

968
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:38,910
right all right here you

969
01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:43,199
can all right anybody

970
01:50:43,199 --> 01:50:44,880
have

971
01:50:44,880 --> 01:50:48,760
okay it's move it's 10 what time is it

972
01:50:48,760 --> 01:50:51,360
um guys we're going to be upstairs

973
01:50:51,360 --> 01:50:57,119
that will be up soon can we just for this

974
01:50:57,119 --> 01:50:59,480
Oni so like you say the only increase

975
01:50:59,480 --> 01:51:02,520
from the last time was

976
01:51:02,520 --> 01:51:06,000
$4,125 that increasing the commercial uh

977
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:08,440
waste fee uh and we did that we split

978
01:51:08,440 --> 01:51:11,679
that in half and uh whatever that what

979
01:51:11,679 --> 01:51:13,679
is that 50

980
01:51:13,679 --> 01:51:16,920
57,000 and we uh increased the police

981
01:51:16,920 --> 01:51:22,510
over time and fire over time at 57,000

982
01:51:22,520 --> 01:51:24,520
but I when I was going into the office

983
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:26,679
like I I told like I had thought we

984
01:51:26,679 --> 01:51:29,960
talked about increasing waste by 50% I

985
01:51:29,960 --> 01:51:31,239
wasn't

986
01:51:31,239 --> 01:51:35,440
sure no I did not put that it was 50% on

987
01:51:35,440 --> 01:51:38,000
Commercial the regular W too no because

988
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:40,440
if you did that that would that would

989
01:51:40,440 --> 01:51:43,639
you know solve a lot of your

990
01:51:43,639 --> 01:51:48,950
problems and

991
01:51:48,960 --> 01:51:51,440
consistencies

992
01:51:51,440 --> 01:51:53,079
I'm not sure if we can get

993
01:51:53,079 --> 01:51:55,060
this 9

994
01:51:55,060 --> 01:51:57,280
[Music]

995
01:51:57,280 --> 01:52:00,159
minutes no try want to try to just pass

996
01:52:00,159 --> 01:52:02,000
the M's

997
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:04,320
budget we do that again I would be in

998
01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:08,589
favor of

999
01:52:08,599 --> 01:52:11,840
that you're old this week you're old

1000
01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:14,320
this week

1001
01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:18,520
um Friday afternoon Friday afternoon is

1002
01:52:18,520 --> 01:52:20,520
everybody El um

1003
01:52:20,520 --> 01:52:26,790
complete this week John no I I'm

1004
01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:28,400
out

1005
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:30,119
speak

1006
01:52:30,119 --> 01:52:34,639
you I'm G Friday I'm back Friday

1007
01:52:34,639 --> 01:52:38,280
afternoon go ahead please sorry so is

1008
01:52:38,280 --> 01:52:39,719
every I just want to ask if three people

1009
01:52:39,719 --> 01:52:46,069
were back on Saturday I know that sounds

1010
01:52:46,079 --> 01:52:49,840
like is everybody good on that Saturday

1011
01:52:49,840 --> 01:52:53,639
thank can ex work one make chair please

1012
01:52:53,639 --> 01:52:58,360
be to to do it with five of us six of

1013
01:52:58,360 --> 01:53:00,239
us

1014
01:53:00,239 --> 01:53:07,840
back morning suppose go ahead you have your hand up I just want to

1015
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:10,840
know Miss the T said it had to be

1016
01:53:10,840 --> 01:53:14,960
afternoon soly afteron oh not morning oh

1017
01:53:14,960 --> 01:53:16,000
morning

1018
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:19,079
yes on Saturday yes you could do morning

1019
01:53:19,079 --> 01:53:20,679
or early afterno

1020
01:53:20,679 --> 01:53:23,880
I can do I can do either can we can we

1021
01:53:23,880 --> 01:53:28,270
meet at at um

1022
01:53:28,280 --> 01:53:32,520
10 everybody yeah I can I just make it

1023
01:53:32,520 --> 01:53:36,119
work make it work check please check

1024
01:53:36,119 --> 01:53:38,840
your I just don't

1025
01:53:38,840 --> 01:53:45,990
know nor yeah I'm

1026
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:48,760
sorry I can do it

1027
01:53:48,760 --> 01:53:54,990
any

1028
01:53:55,000 --> 01:54:00,119
oh 11 11 work better or early afternoon

1029
01:54:00,119 --> 01:54:02,760
I need to be up 11 this Saturday or

1030
01:54:02,760 --> 01:54:06,400
later go ahead please later

1031
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:08,520
i00 all

1032
01:54:08,520 --> 01:54:10,119
right

1033
01:54:10,119 --> 01:54:23,870
118 18th right Saturday yeah is everybody good Saturday 11:

1034
01:54:23,880 --> 01:54:28,840
a.m. yes you good M good yeah can do it

1035
01:54:28,840 --> 01:54:30,280
all right so we'll recess the finance

1036
01:54:30,280 --> 01:54:33,280
committee to Saturday

1037
01:54:33,280 --> 01:54:37,639
November is it 18 18 18 at 11:

1038
01:54:37,639 --> 01:54:48,550
a.m. second second all in favor I thank

1039
01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:50,679
you yeah

1040
01:54:50,679 --> 01:54:56,510
all

1041
01:54:56,520 --> 01:54:59,520
right