[0:00] I'd like to call City committee meeting
[0:03] for Monday November 13
[0:05] 2023 and I'd like to turn it over to the
[0:07] chair of Finance thank you I would like
[0:10] to reconvene the finance
[0:12] committee and just sorry before we go
[0:14] into disc discussion where we left off
[0:16] last time we met we had um asked U the
[0:19] mayor and the administration to give us
[0:22] several reports regarding the waste
[0:24] water and Su so on the commercial side
[0:28] so we were fortunate to receive those
[0:30] reports so on this sheet here you should
[0:33] have the um water and stool commercial
[0:38] breakdown and on this sheet you will
[0:40] have the um the G break
[0:46] down so thank you umari for giving us um
[0:49] this breakdown in terms of where we are
[0:51] in terms of Marshall and theal
[0:54] [Music]
[0:56] um
[0:58] Brees um we we didn't receive any um
[1:02] analysis fee analysis for the
[1:04] jackpot and I think we still have
[1:06] outstanding the um vacancies a breakdown
[1:09] of the vacancy report uh we're waiting
[1:11] on HR HR said they cannot produce it
[1:14] from 2018 because they don't have enough
[1:16] information to
[1:19] go why would it matter I mean these are
[1:21] the jobs that are vacant now I
[1:24] mean I think also adding to that is also
[1:27] looking at where any interview they were
[1:29] mentioned on the table here that they
[1:32] were interview and put the potential
[1:34] higher and we would like to look at that
[1:37] for no there what any
[1:39] uh of those things
[1:46] happen so I will open discussion in
[1:48] terms of the commercial water sewer and
[1:51] the
[1:54] garbage and then we can address those
[1:58] um
[2:01] still outstanding
[2:03] [Applause]
[2:15] reports and sorry you should also have
[2:17] this report here this is just a
[2:19] breakdown of the last um the most
[2:21] updated version from Mr ferari what we
[2:25] discussed and what was F commited so
[2:28] this is just for our
[2:35] so Mr M um we do have a debate on Mr fre
[2:40] this is what we give to us today did you
[2:42] want you have that yes does I have all
[2:45] the stuff that was asked her in terms of
[2:48] a hire interview no it's just it's just
[2:52] somebody I don't know if Miss Patrick
[2:54] you ask for that
[2:55] for we we asked when they were looking
[2:58] at um trying so okay where can we adjust
[3:01] somebody were saying on the T here that
[3:04] there are people who are being
[3:05] interviewed I think it was a May was
[3:06] saying that yes yeah sorry and the HR
[3:10] was going to provide us that information
[3:11] to know which category
[3:15] of the information they request is like
[3:17] go back to 2018 that was part they went
[3:21] back to 2021 and she said she couldn't
[3:23] go she she doesn't even know how to go
[3:25] back to 2018 to get that information but
[3:29] any know it doesn't really matter and
[3:30] this is these are the vacant jobs we
[3:32] have now yeah you know I that's what you
[3:34] got to decide you you want to keep it
[3:36] you want end them or whatever you have
[3:39] that report
[3:41] [Applause]
[3:50] so so Mr go ahead so when we when initi
[3:54] when I initially asked that information
[3:56] Derek did not say Mr did not say that
[3:59] you could he simply said that the um
[4:02] person was out and so you're now this is
[4:05] the first time I'm hearing today that we
[4:06] can't asked her today she said she
[4:08] doesn't even know how to go back to to
[4:11] see right now can she go back to 2021
[4:15] well
[4:16] should that's what she was able to
[4:19] do and the reason that um that the
[4:22] request was to go back beyond that when
[4:24] we were discussing the vacancy um it was
[4:26] consistently said part of the reason
[4:28] they weren't filled is because of Co so
[4:31] we were trying to look at what what same
[4:34] positions were still vacant preo so
[4:38] that's why the ask was to go back
[4:40] further to look at pre-co to really make
[4:42] an informed decision if if the argument
[4:44] was that's because of Co that it wasn't
[4:46] fil so that's why if you if you want to
[4:50] go through one by one you can just see
[4:52] like the city clerk we took off the cler
[4:55] L because you said
[4:57] that's uh the IPS three that's pretty
[5:00] much a new position right yeah you had
[5:03] that long in a position right the
[5:05] assistant Corporation Council even
[5:07] probably back to 2012 there's been
[5:09] openings in assistant Corporation C for
[5:12] years right um
[5:13] [Music]
[5:16] Andrew ass
[5:18] Corporation you had openings for years
[5:21] my understanding is I don't know what
[5:23] has been in previous budgets for
[5:25] openings but I know that shortly before
[5:27] I started there were
[5:30] I believe six attorneys in the
[5:31] corporation council's office um
[5:34] Corporation councel Deputy Corp counsel
[5:37] um three assistant court councils and
[5:39] then there was one person who hadn't
[5:41] passed the bar but had graduated from
[5:43] law school that was doing attorney an
[5:47] attorney Ro
[5:48] position that was the last time and I
[5:51] believe that was either
[5:52] 20 early 2018 early 2017
[5:57] perhaps that was before my time of
[5:59] sitting
[6:00] yeah so you see since the time we've
[6:02] been here has always been opening since
[6:04] then that's not the L we
[6:07] trying P AIT cork uh it say we're just
[6:10] waiting for a test that's why I took it
[6:12] off engineering it another one that's a
[6:14] new position that started last year
[6:16] there was somebody in it but now it's
[6:17] vacant next uh in
[6:19] 2024 utilities this is a new position
[6:22] that just came up uh because of all the
[6:25] retirements uh it this is just get
[6:27] another it person John's are going to be
[6:30] leaving and they're reestablishing the
[6:33] whole it Department uh I took out the
[6:36] police and fire fighters the dog control
[6:39] officer we've had a missing a person
[6:41] missing there in the last five years
[6:44] that's because we had two people there
[6:45] they both went out on top and now we
[6:47] just got one person that's been like
[6:49] that for the last 3 four years em just
[6:53] before you go you just mentioned we
[6:55] removed the police and fire we're not
[6:57] addressing VES
[7:01] that's why I remove them that's that's a
[7:02] no touch now
[7:05] the uh that always going to be vacancies
[7:08] because people retire people come in
[7:10] there's always openings you know so
[7:13] there's always going to be openings of
[7:14] that the motor equipment the guy that
[7:16] works alone at light at night that's
[7:18] vacant now but that's you still have
[7:20] nobody made a decision if you want to
[7:22] keep it or not so I put it on as a
[7:24] vacant uh vacant as of 2024 again
[7:28] there's there more nvos uh Code
[7:30] Enforcement Officers as you know you
[7:32] know we've had trouble every year trying
[7:34] to get Code Enforcement Officers so for
[7:36] the last two three years that's been
[7:37] vacant code enforcement supervisor this
[7:40] is pretty much a uh what we had before
[7:43] was a part-time person was a supervisor
[7:46] uh he had left uh two three years ago
[7:49] and that's still a vacant position now
[7:51] senior planner just opened up this year
[7:54] we had the planner was there he left and
[7:56] then the CD supervising I took them out
[7:59] only because those are all newly vacant
[8:13] [Music]
[8:28] positions
[8:30] going back to going back to the top City
[8:32] CL clerical we're removing that
[8:34] position I fig it out because they have
[8:37] there some in that position cleric there
[8:40] was two clerical positions the one
[8:42] person vacated last week yeah so you
[8:45] know saying it's going to be re redone
[8:48] right you're going to reill it right or
[8:51] I can refill the IPS three that's vac
[8:54] right now but it's it's open
[8:58] right M Michael you you're okay with um
[9:01] not funding that clerically one of them
[9:04] yes
[9:26] okay any question on these vacancies
[9:35] so we also recommend we asked for um the
[9:39] ones that we asked to be taken out do we
[9:40] have a report on that ones from the
[9:44] dere um so when we went through it we
[9:47] had all of us had the they will be on
[9:49] this that's these are all the ones we
[9:51] asked to be taken out
[9:57] yes okay
[9:59] yeah if we were to remove any this will
[10:02] be addition to to
[10:28] this
[11:12] mrar the clerical Aid since we're
[11:14] removing it is not on this report so you
[11:16] will have to make I'm doing it right now
[11:18] as
[11:23] start so the bottom line number is going
[11:25] to be 121
[11:27] 3601 1 milon
[11:30] [Music]
[11:32] 231 1 million
[11:35] [Music]
[11:37] 1,23
[11:39] 601 1213 601 what we're doing is uh uh we're subtracting out the cleric
[11:49] a subtracting out the ips3 and then
[11:53] adding back to clar BL
[11:57] right okay so the total will be 12 13
[12:07] 601 be
[12:15] 38140 but the cleric a is off of
[12:18] this we're not putting in the cleric a
[12:20] right isn't that what you just we're
[12:22] taking out the CL but keeping the IPS oh
[12:26] that's the IPS 3 is vac right now right
[12:32] mhm but it says zero for the clerical
[12:35] already so they just changed it because
[12:37] she said she rather do it the other way
[12:39] okay so this new sheet I'm sorry but the
[12:41] new sheet that we just got today that
[12:43] zero is going to be 38 140 and then
[12:47] we're going to make that 45
[12:49] 9340 and the bottom number is going to
[12:52] be 1
[12:53] 1213
[12:57] 601
[13:12] and that just represents salary right
[13:15] yeah
[13:19] correct and your final calculation
[13:21] you'll do the
[13:22] benefit let's get all that stuff let's
[13:27] get the number just
[13:34] percentage so you just want to make up
[13:36] what your proposing for the um seing
[13:38] water and for the um they get that
[13:42] reductions in SE and water and the
[13:44] changes the let me say in the commercial
[13:47] searing order because that's where the
[13:49] changes
[13:53] were we should do one at a time okay all
[13:56] right let's go through the water first
[13:59] is up to you yeah I'm just trying I'm
[14:01] not really
[14:02] sure even though I was talking with Mr M
[14:05] today I wasn't really sure what was
[14:07] looking for no this is what I was
[14:09] looking for break away from the original
[14:13] Carl's proposal of 50% for water and
[14:16] sewer across the board but then we asked
[14:19] for to look at the commercial side what
[14:22] um how many Revenue are being generated
[14:24] on the commercial side and not including
[14:27] the residential
[14:29] so when we look at this here on the
[14:31] water your the revenue proposed revenue
[14:36] 48666 for water and then on sewer the
[14:40] proposed
[14:42] Revenue
[14:43] 776
[14:45] 506 so what you did you just give us a
[14:47] breakdown to help us to look at what we
[14:49] had initially proposed by car and that
[14:54] number yes you did
[14:56] yeah what I'm recommending is we keep
[14:58] the the the Merit the
[15:00] post
[15:02] increase the commercial rate I mean just
[15:05] to help help you guys go forward because
[15:08] I personally think you should listen
[15:10] raise both rates but that's up to you
[15:21] guys uh for the water U the mayor's
[15:24] proposed increase for the water for a
[15:27] meter uh for unmetered sales you know
[15:30] the rular roll is only a 7%
[15:36] increase and now you're talking
[15:39] residential right correct the
[15:41] residential will be 7%
[15:44] increase I
[15:47] 13
[15:49] yeah 7%
[15:51] so 556 to 5956 is only 7%
[15:57] increase
[15:59] No 7 percentage this is a proposal or
[16:01] this is after to Carl's um this is just
[16:03] the mayor's proposal I'm just trying to
[16:05] explain with Carl's on proposal it's
[16:08] 3.5 Carl's proposal for is only for the
[16:12] commercial rate would increase it by
[16:15] 15% and you know
[16:21] uh and I said you would have to make up
[16:23] the difference by uh the fund balance
[16:26] and says you just for the water if if
[16:29] you just use the Mir propos rate on both
[16:32] ends you have 26% increase in in the
[16:34] water to to the the the May's proposal
[16:37] comes to
[16:38] 486 606 and the 7% increase in the UN
[16:43] meter of 396 then you would have to use
[16:45] any form balance in the water
[16:57] dep
[17:05] do you have the sheet that U sheet in
[17:08] The Proposal
[17:09] 50% 2024 Council increase yes
[17:16] 243,000 the new rate would be
[17:19] 0364 it's a 133% increase which is half
[17:23] of what the budget is
[17:27] 50% commercial
[17:30] yes so this is just for commercial
[17:34] that's just for commercial now the next leader the Le next line shows the
[17:39] mayor's proposed amount for uh uh the
[17:42] housing and that's only s for the
[17:44] households it's only a 7% increase you
[17:47] we're going from the 5 500 to
[17:50] 5956 it's at
[17:52] $396,000 increase it's only 7%
[17:57] increase
[17:59] from 2023 so but you didn't then you
[18:02] didn't give us only the 50% of it then
[18:06] because the uh John asked me not to do
[18:10] that yeah because I thought we already
[18:11] factoring cars um if you want the 50% is
[18:17] a 198 you're reducing it by 198,000 405
[18:23] for water for water yeah but then like
[18:26] again then you're going to have to
[18:27] increase going to have to use
[18:30] uh fund
[18:32] balance to make up the difference so
[18:36] that's what I'm say I'm not sure what your guys are looking for
[18:40] here I'm I'm making the suggestion that
[18:43] you should use the N increases on both
[18:49] ends May any look for the jackpot um Fe
[18:53] analysis I don't have you don't
[18:57] have say that again the jackpot um oh
[19:01] jackpots jackpots yeah that's garbage
[19:05] right yes oh
[19:21] okay go ahead please Mr Ferrari and I
[19:24] think that you sent us an email also
[19:26] suggesting that perhaps if we did raise
[19:28] the rates on commercial that we might
[19:30] lose customers on the waist side on the
[19:34] side when when I was I gave you a whole
[19:37] yeah array of stuff if you looked at it
[19:40] uh you know the numbers you're trying
[19:42] you know if you wanted to really get up
[19:44] into million dollar differences you're
[19:46] looking at a 500% increase but anything
[19:49] I think anything above the 50% increase
[19:51] you will lose customers going forward
[19:54] you know because just one just won't be
[19:56] woring yeah that's going to my maximum
[19:58] 500,000 500% increase and we're looking
[20:01] at 50% increases so the I believe the
[20:05] revenue is a little bit you know but
[20:07] it's not as much as the million dollars
[20:09] you guys are looking
[20:15] for and I show too you know what how it
[20:18] affects each each of those how much it
[20:20] would change the cost of the people
[20:22] would at the different rates too I want
[20:25] to see that that's why if I um
[20:31] me I would like to suggest something
[20:33] people based on the
[20:34] conversation and I have today um in
[20:37] terms of the water I would like to
[20:39] suggest that we um we go to the proposal
[20:43] the full ask of 486 606
[20:47] 206% on the commercial side and then go
[20:51] down to the bottom with sewer I am
[20:55] proposing the for last 77
[20:59] 6506 and that will bring us in a better
[21:02] position but that is my recommendation
[21:04] at the point5 and the on meter I will
[21:08] stick with Mr Williams proposal initial
[21:10] proposal of
[21:16] 50% saying 50% of the
[21:20] meoros that is the res right so 19844
[21:25] yes what was that number again 198 I
[21:27] think just did it myself so
[21:31] 19845 yeah we reduce uh the M proposed
[21:34] budget by 198 405 yeah so that is my
[21:37] recommendation so go full as to the
[21:39] proposal 486 606 for
[21:41] water and 50% for the on meter
[21:44] residential and full as for the S
[21:54] 77656 they unmuted for the
[21:57] sewer
[21:59] you that is also U 50% we stick to the
[22:18] original 873 734 the reduction from the
[22:22] mar
[22:24] 873 87
[22:26] 8737
[22:28] $34 reduction from the May's
[22:31] proposal from 9.6 million to 8.8
[22:40] million then I have to figure out how
[22:42] much uh F balance we going to be using
[22:45] that
[22:46] but so I'm I'm happy it's less wait so
[22:51] we'd have to make up 873 734 plus
[22:55] 19845 is what you're saying is what I'm
[22:58] thinking there were some adjustment
[23:00] already made by Mr Williams proposal so
[23:04] the numbers once this is facturing into
[23:06] the report it will he will push away um
[23:09] because initially Miss Patrick they he
[23:12] they did 50% of both commercial and
[23:15] residential and now it's being 100% of
[23:17] commercial and only 50% of
[23:21] residential I guess I need to see how it
[23:24] all you see the number there push you're
[23:28] yeah because we haven't made decisions
[23:31] about cutting all these vacancies that's that's a whole different fun
[23:36] that's why I think we need see the big
[23:37] picture water and sore is separate from
[23:40] that I understand that I just don't feel
[23:42] like we can make a decis whatever we do
[23:44] with the vacancy we we'll go to the
[23:46] general fund and help offset what we
[23:48] talked about last week in terms of
[23:51] pushing back some fun to some of the
[23:56] lines so I mean that is is what I'm
[23:58] proposing on the table I mean I think
[23:59] that's reasonable um compromise on my
[24:02] side and I hope that you can see the
[24:05] same way I mean glad that I had a
[24:07] conversation with Mr today and last week
[24:11] to get a better understanding of where
[24:12] we are go ahead please and I'd also like
[24:16] to add uh thank you very much to your
[24:18] office for providing these numbers at
[24:19] least for myself personally having a
[24:21] better representation of of how to
[24:24] attribute these increases to our city uh
[24:26] I think it is fair uh this breakdown of
[24:29] meeting the mayor's requested ask for
[24:30] the commercial side while allowing some
[24:33] Breathing Room FL for our residents um
[24:36] whom of which have been vocal about um
[24:39] not having these increases in general
[24:42] but I think in understanding more the
[24:43] context that Mr ferari has been speaking
[24:45] in as we need to start planning for
[24:47] future years uh hopefully this SS as a
[24:50] appropriate concession
[24:53] for and just to add to that to the other
[24:55] I just mentioned too the commercial
[24:58] garage I mean I understand I'm Mr F
[25:01] concerned about people might want to
[25:02] drop out but I would like to suggest
[25:05] that we increase on the commercial side
[25:07] commercial
[25:08] garbage um to
[25:10] $5.7 per gallon
[25:14] 50% that will generate this worksheet
[25:17] here
[25:22] $114,000 you can go to 100% but that
[25:24] might be too
[25:26] extreme I think it's too
[25:29] extreme you know just around a rle with
[25:32] this why don't why don't we try to at
[25:34] least the raise the the regular waste
[25:37] while on a roll
[25:44] here go ahead I'd like to know why un
[25:49] owner
[25:50] occupied two family houses as well as
[25:53] units with three units or more aren't
[25:56] included in the increase
[25:58] because those are basically commercial
[26:01] establishments they're small businesses
[26:04] anything over yeah four it was meter
[26:07] right okay so that leads out the two and
[26:10] three family right corre but those are
[26:13] those will be a homeowner ones that
[26:14] we're not I'm saying Unown or occupied
[26:17] yeah those should be
[26:20] included that is not originally part of
[26:23] the how the calculation is done not
[26:26] water yeah yeah yeah that's not part of
[26:30] the calculation I understand that what
[26:32] I'm saying is if we're looking at this
[26:34] from a commercial perspective those are
[26:37] small businesses they should be included
[26:39] in that
[26:40] increase go ahead please I don't believe
[26:43] that they those properties are metered I
[26:45] believe those are
[26:47] unmetered for that is it is it a for
[26:50] family or hire are for Residential
[26:52] Properties yes it's 411 4 family or more
[26:56] would be met should have meters maybe
[26:58] consider commercial about one to three
[26:59] or not no I understand I'm saying oh
[27:03] about making that adjustment it could be
[27:06] I
[27:08] think under
[27:13] four we know how that is something I
[27:15] want to look in the future 50% increase
[27:17] will help the one two and three because
[27:20] that' be per unit you know so the three
[27:22] unit three separate charges
[27:26] yes and that is going up by 50% so and
[27:30] do we have any idea of how many of these
[27:33] U two family households that have been
[27:37] converted in the three four or five
[27:39] Apartments because a lot of those I
[27:42] believe are not on the books
[27:46] and can that be a question for code
[27:48] enforcement yeah that's what I'm
[27:50] [Music]
[27:53] saying now if we based on garbage uh the
[27:56] total number of not exempt three
[27:58] families are
[27:59] 425 436 well 425 not exempt with 11
[28:04] three families that are exemp uh the
[28:06] total number of non-exempt two families
[28:09] is
[28:10] 4,962 and the total number of uh single
[28:14] families is
[28:16] 9,000 not EXA
[28:20] 9,475 total of
[28:22] 10,168 and those are for
[28:25] garbage so I fig it's almost about the
[28:33] same there's a 925 uh exempt properties
[28:38] you know in the
[28:42] garbage and like you're saying since
[28:43] we're talking about waste should we at
[28:45] least raise regular waste at least 50%
[28:49] at
[28:51] least and you're saying to raise it 50%
[28:54] of the mayor's proposed budget what
[28:55] you're right okay want to be clear about
[28:57] that from 78 to 39 and I also think you
[29:00] should also raise the exent parcels I
[29:02] mean they've been at
[29:04] $137 for like P 10 years and that's one two or three family exemp you
[29:10] know so if if you're a exemp person you
[29:14] own a three Family House your all three
[29:16] families you're only paying
[29:18] $137 it doesn't multiply like uh the
[29:21] right standard owns you're not playing
[29:23] 137 times three I me you say that that's
[29:27] um
[29:29] senior yeah senior uh disability uh and
[29:33] disabled vets senior disabled and vs vs
[29:39] yeah and
[29:41] so you know like S I think we should
[29:44] minimum because just the one you know
[29:47] now make sure you going have to raise it
[29:48] again because you're not raising it
[29:49] enough now you're you're going to uh
[29:52] like I said if you raise it uh $39 for
[29:55] uh uh the units for waste collection and
[29:59] then also for the exempt
[30:02] $38 so the new rate would go from 249 to
[30:06] 288 and the parcels exempt Parcels go
[30:09] 137 to
[30:13] 175 yeah you're
[30:16] talking go ahead and I just wonder you
[30:18] know by raising the commercial rates is
[30:20] that going to get passed on to our
[30:22] residents in a more outstanding way um
[30:26] when their rates go up
[30:28] who's going to cover that amount of
[30:30] money well the same thing going to
[30:32] happen for um residential too the tenant
[30:35] pass on to the ten so
[30:37] it's it's going to affect everybody
[30:39] across the
[30:40] board own and renter and business and
[30:45] business
[30:46] payr so advocating did not raise the
[30:49] rates pardon me are you advocating to
[30:51] not raise the rates then I think it
[30:53] should should be over not just the
[30:55] commercial rates I think we everyone
[30:56] should pay the own share uh residence
[30:59] and Commercial and not just burden the
[31:01] commercial part of
[31:03] it just I said you we did it with the
[31:07] water sore we maybe we should do the 50%
[31:09] for Waste too from 78 to 39 I know Merit
[31:13] is not
[31:14] enough but I'm just trying to find a
[31:16] compromise here well let me be clear I
[31:19] have to have something that is balanced
[31:22] the revenue is there to pay the debt
[31:24] service and need you to take that into
[31:32] consideration may you don't have the fee
[31:35] analysis for Jack is there like another
[31:37] week or so together or another couple
[31:39] days or just a week another day or two
[31:42] or is that the still working at the
[31:45] problem also with just the jackpots
[31:50] become in theory it's self-correcting so
[31:55] you have the jackpots out there now
[31:58] uh we're going to find people chargeing
[32:00] more they're not going to put it out
[32:03] anymore and so I can't treat that as a
[32:05] reoccurring Revenue Source going
[32:10] forward even though it's something we
[32:12] should do to get compliance and get
[32:14] people who are really abusing the system
[32:17] but it's not going
[32:19] to solve the problem
[32:22] really pull through the 24 budget or
[32:25] clearly going into the 25 budget but but
[32:28] it does on one end it's that's not going
[32:30] to be a reoccurring hopefully if it
[32:33] people are adhering to it it won't
[32:34] reoccur what it will do is lessen the
[32:37] burden and the cost of operating cost of
[32:39] the city so so you get the savings on
[32:41] that side but yeah to your point that
[32:43] will be
[32:45] reur okay that's
[32:54] good I mean I I I think suff I mean in
[32:58] terms of going FL out and then going 50%
[33:02] for the on meter water and SE and going
[33:04] 100% out for the the sewer and water on
[33:09] the commercial
[33:10] side and at the same time we can look at
[33:13] the garbage in from l50
[33:18] 50% I mean I I'm going to stick to
[33:25] those say that again John you stick but what I what I suggested
[33:31] there I think this is a big compromise
[33:33] because if we were to add all of this up
[33:35] here this is about like4
[33:40] 900,000 additional
[33:43] Revenue
[33:45] me if we were to add all of this up I'm
[33:47] thinking it's going to go upwards of $8
[33:49] to $900,000 uh yeah you don't have what
[33:51] numbers what numbers you're talking
[33:53] about the 100% for water commercial 50%
[33:57] well that's remember that's separate
[33:59] from yeah yeah I'm not I'm not I'm not
[34:02] [Music]
[34:04] even yeah so uh the 100% uh water and
[34:09] the
[34:11] 50% water uh that will bring us to you
[34:15] know we have to use uh the difference of
[34:18] $198,400 for f balance to balance that I
[34:23] believe that's how it works I going to
[34:25] have to look at it
[34:29] say but the water sore you know we'll
[34:31] take a look at that but we got to figure
[34:34] out the general fund now we're saying
[34:36] 114,000 for additional of the 50%
[34:39] increase right yes 250 100
[34:44] 25 okay now we talk about raising the
[34:47] other part of
[34:49] it no I'm
[34:51] not not on my side okay so then I don't
[34:56] know what the other is so so we're going
[34:58] to take that
[34:59] 114,000
[35:02] and and uh reduce appropriate fund
[35:06] balance if we add that revenue from
[35:09] three an additional
[35:11] [Music]
[35:16] 3.2 well not only reduce the fund
[35:19] balance I think we have suggestion in
[35:21] terms of of pushing
[35:24] back police rce the f from 4 4.1 to 4
[35:31] million if you get that additional
[35:33] revenue from the
[35:37] garbage can can we use that towards the the police over time and the
[35:46] fire over
[35:48] time split
[35:50] it if there is not if there is no other
[35:53] if there's no other um if there's no
[35:55] other suggested um
[35:57] on these vacancies then that's what I'm
[35:59] suggesting I think you brought it up
[36:01] last week to again I think we have to
[36:03] look at it as a big picture because we have numbers all over the place here
[36:07] so we'd have to see how it plugged in I
[36:08] mean I think several of us want to make
[36:11] sure that we're not cutting the police
[36:12] and fire over time um so I mean so so
[36:17] why don't we if you don't mind Mr farari
[36:19] just address these the
[36:24] water come right back
[36:28] uh can I say one more think about the
[36:30] garbage 39 50% you know that's gonna
[36:34] that's going to increase your budget let
[36:37] me just see where we are here let's see
[36:39] 52 to 52 to
[36:46] 61 so it's about 800,000 $800,000
[36:50] increase that if we go with the mayor's
[36:52] figure for the no no you go half with
[36:55] the mayor's figure go with the mayor's
[36:56] fig figures and you don't have to worry
[36:57] about
[37:00] [Applause]
[37:01] nothing I'm going go do water sore you
[37:04] guys figure out the rest right yeah I
[37:06] mean I I also still have major concern
[37:08] if we take too much money out of the
[37:10] reserve fund so that's another important
[37:11] figure that we have to look
[37:23] at we can we can continue discussion on the
[37:32] [Applause]
[37:33] [Music]
[37:55] vacancies
[38:17] how many positions there
[38:25] are
[51:54] e
[1:34:40] yeah please Mr you just want to walk us
[1:34:42] through the sewer first and then the
[1:34:44] water
[1:34:50] ches the proposed so what we're doing is
[1:34:54] with the sore we meter charges inside
[1:34:56] the city we're not doing any counil
[1:34:59] changes we're going with the mayor's
[1:35:01] proposal and then we're taking 50% of
[1:35:05] the mayor's proposal reducing it by
[1:35:08] 873,000 at 8.8
[1:35:11] million um and then we of course to
[1:35:14] offset that we're going to be using
[1:35:17] we're just a s we're using
[1:35:19] 873,000
[1:35:21] $734
[1:35:23] of fund balance to uh even the sore
[1:35:31] F the
[1:35:34] changes in the next
[1:35:50] page got water next so you
[1:35:53] guys with the um sewer fund there says
[1:35:58] 873,000
[1:36:00] in appropriate fund balance the new
[1:36:03] budget says
[1:36:06] 441 excuse
[1:36:14] me should be 873 I see say new budget
[1:36:20] 873
[1:36:26] 734 yeah sorry John thank you very much
[1:36:29] put that out for me the water is the
[1:36:30] same
[1:36:34] thingo the water is the same
[1:36:40] thing
[1:36:41] where counil
[1:36:45] changes should
[1:36:50] be
[1:36:59] you have water we don't have water you
[1:37:01] don't have it either I got it oh you're
[1:37:04] the only one that doesn't have is P
[1:37:07] Water I don't have that's down thank
[1:37:12] you and we need the mayor needs water
[1:37:15] also one
[1:37:18] side all that you can see the thing
[1:37:22] correct okay now all right somebody has
[1:37:25] one water extra because we only have
[1:37:26] sewer
[1:37:28] left it's like
[1:37:36] four John is on the water page yes yeah
[1:37:40] the same so you just have to spr that
[1:37:42] out put
[1:37:47] 19 yep yeah but the ultimate number is
[1:37:50] correct though the math is correct this
[1:37:54] oh the math is correct even with the new
[1:37:56] number no no no it wasn't on the
[1:38:06] SE
[1:38:20] changeid your
[1:38:23] [Music]
[1:38:27] phone right he's doing it he's doing it
[1:38:31] Miss ptoi just said he's doing it no I'm
[1:38:34] doing water first
[1:38:43] okay
[1:38:45] was see who does it
[1:38:49] first okay and this
[1:38:52] work why
[1:39:01] is 2 3 4 1
[1:39:05] 38
[1:39:17] 59 that's that's so this will be
[1:39:23] 8
[1:39:24] 8298
[1:39:27] 267 then this adds up to the same 2 3 41
[1:39:34] 380
[1:39:36] plus 575
[1:39:42] 42
[1:39:45] 5758
[1:39:47] 482 and then 198 405
[1:39:54] they came out a different number than I
[1:39:55] just did 2 3 41 better go use your
[1:39:57] spreadsheet
[1:39:59] anth I should have just added it by hand
[1:40:01] would have just been
[1:40:04] easier actually think that's what I'm
[1:40:06] going to
[1:40:09] do
[1:40:12] 8298 5 six seven so that works
[1:40:19] out
[1:40:21] so so we're just looking at the bunch of
[1:40:23] changes and the bunch of
[1:40:25] changes and then I I put the actual
[1:40:29] revenues over here show that it works
[1:40:39] out 78
[1:40:49] 48
[1:41:04] 14
[1:41:12] [Music]
[1:41:17] 15 15 16
[1:41:25] 24 124 38 487 yes yep they all they all
[1:41:31] good what did you get for the um water
[1:41:35] 8298
[1:41:37] 567
[1:41:39] 267 me too 8298 267 excuse me 267 267
[1:41:45] can't read my
[1:41:48] own so
[1:41:52] that again for
[1:41:54] me so let's start with the water the sewer water meter sales
[1:42:02] commercial we proposed budget was
[1:42:05] 2,341 380 we're proposing no changes now
[1:42:09] because we're using the May's commercial
[1:42:12] rate then the unmet sales which would be
[1:42:14] the
[1:42:15] homeowners uh the proposed was
[1:42:18] 596 5956 6 887 we're reducing that by
[1:42:23] half of what the the mayor's uh proposal
[1:42:26] was that comes to
[1:42:28] 19845 to bring the new budget to
[1:42:31] 57 5842 and then our appropriate fund
[1:42:35] balance is
[1:42:38] 8,405 that we'll be using for the water
[1:42:41] fund to make it make the pro budget
[1:42:49] even and you can see
[1:42:53] that P actual weon
[1:43:03] [Applause]
[1:43:05] changes propos equals the proposed
[1:43:12] budget the same with
[1:43:15] the so let spend a second on the um the
[1:43:18] fund balance that's basically 1.
[1:43:23] 1871 329 correct excuse me the fund
[1:43:28] balance for what water or soil yeah both
[1:43:31] together oh together yes so it's going
[1:43:34] to be
[1:43:36] 873 and 200,000 so 1. 871 229 uh
[1:43:42] 329 so what would that leave us for fund
[1:43:46] balance okay for
[1:43:48] uh I have that figures in
[1:44:03] for 800,000 we have 3
[1:44:07] million 2.8 million for sore at
[1:44:11] 800,000 it's going to leave us with U
[1:44:15] of un
[1:44:18] assigned about the million million
[1:44:21] 5 2.3 million5 and the water fund we
[1:44:26] have 2.3 million and 200,000 so it's
[1:44:31] about 2 million 2.1
[1:44:37] million I think I gave you guys all the
[1:44:39] F balances last time here I I had
[1:44:43] thought I had in my workbook but I think
[1:44:44] I left in the
[1:44:45] office all Pap this thing yeah yeah
[1:44:49] there you go
[1:44:51] can yeah thank you very much so uh for
[1:44:54] the water fund like you said the UN side
[1:44:55] is 2.2 million we going to take away
[1:44:58] 200,000 is going to be 2 million the
[1:44:59] sore fund uh it's 3.1 million it take
[1:45:03] 800,000 uh is that 2.3 million so a few
[1:45:08] years ago there were several big uh
[1:45:12] sewer issues how much just I don't
[1:45:15] remember the numbers what were those
[1:45:18] expenses just off roughly
[1:45:21] I mean uh well are you talking about the
[1:45:25] project that we did the sore water no
[1:45:27] like the there was that major break in
[1:45:30] one the major break uh off of 890 over
[1:45:34] there that was like 1.3 million which we
[1:45:37] use the reserves F uh the most recently
[1:45:40] was the the crack on Eastern Avenue that
[1:45:43] was 500,000 anytime we have a break it's
[1:45:46] a minimum of 250,000 if it go if it goes
[1:45:49] below 10 ft if it we have to go 10 fet
[1:45:51] or more where we're hit in the million
[1:45:53] dollar
[1:45:56] Mark so then we would have what did you
[1:45:59] say about a million dollars left
[1:46:03] correct two two two million and I'm
[1:46:06] strictly talking the the sewer yeah two
[1:46:11] 2 million in water and about uh 2.3
[1:46:14] million in s left wait because we got
[1:46:18] 3.1 minus 800,000 right
[1:46:21] didn't you say 1 million before no you know when I gave you the water
[1:46:41] sore funds I I also wrote you that you
[1:46:43] know it's all the reason why we're
[1:46:45] looking especially for the sore for the
[1:46:47] increase was due to the the debt payment
[1:46:49] for the right you know which over
[1:46:53] million a year for the next 30 Years
[1:46:55] right
[1:46:56] that's the simple number is you know we
[1:47:01] the simple number is we spent 50 some
[1:47:03] million dollar doing all the
[1:47:05] upgrades we had $21 million in Grants
[1:47:09] now we owe $30
[1:47:11] million it's approximately a million a
[1:47:15] year most of that is zero interest so
[1:47:17] it's a good overall financing package
[1:47:20] but what you're coming back is now
[1:47:22] you're going to say in the budget I
[1:47:23] proposed which takes that into account
[1:47:27] of maintaining our fund balance so when
[1:47:29] we have events we're going to have cash
[1:47:31] to be able to deal with it and you're
[1:47:34] going to cut a million dollars out which
[1:47:37] would be the annual payment on that debt
[1:47:41] these numbers are big but the actual
[1:47:43] cost of the resident is a small amount
[1:47:46] to get a very high quality source of
[1:47:48] water and a very high
[1:47:51] quality uh Wastewater system that serves
[1:47:55] the residents and also positions as
[1:47:58] stability and economic growth going
[1:48:13] forward I don't want to be negative here
[1:48:15] but we I don't want to end up you know
[1:48:17] my time here is is coming close and I
[1:48:21] don't see the position of the city
[1:48:23] happen what happened to Fint Michigan
[1:48:24] where you're just going to have to take
[1:48:26] water right out of the Mohawk or dump
[1:48:28] right into the Mohawk because you're
[1:48:30] going have to save money because you
[1:48:31] can't can't afford the to run the prod
[1:48:33] what you got to run well that's part of
[1:48:36] consent order things that we're doing so
[1:48:38] it's not like we're doing it as
[1:48:41] Choice correct we need a
[1:48:45] compliance of state federal
[1:48:49] standards
[1:48:50] so Anthony you just want to walk us the
[1:48:52] general
[1:48:54] fund I'm confused
[1:48:57] with okay so uh really the only changes
[1:49:00] that we made since last time was the the
[1:49:02] commercial waste free we increased it by
[1:49:06] $4,125 and and what we did is we add the
[1:49:11] revenue 114,000 we reduced police
[1:49:13] overtime by the
[1:49:16] 56,000 whatever it was from 350 to 29 to
[1:49:20] 937 and they fire to um by 292,000 so we took the 114,000 split it between the
[1:49:28] police and fire over
[1:49:43] timebody
[1:49:46] [Music]
[1:49:48] down I had thought
[1:49:51] no no this
[1:49:54] is this one here you have an extra
[1:49:57] should be I
[1:50:01] [Music]
[1:50:04] made anybody has
[1:50:09] [Music]
[1:50:14] extra what are you looking for extra I
[1:50:17] think they're looking for an extra of
[1:50:18] this one yes you have it
[1:50:23] nope all
[1:50:25] right all right here you
[1:50:38] can all right anybody
[1:50:43] have
[1:50:44] okay it's move it's 10 what time is it
[1:50:48] um guys we're going to be upstairs
[1:50:51] that will be up soon can we just for this
[1:50:57] Oni so like you say the only increase
[1:50:59] from the last time was
[1:51:02] $4,125 that increasing the commercial uh
[1:51:06] waste fee uh and we did that we split
[1:51:08] that in half and uh whatever that what
[1:51:11] is that 50
[1:51:13] 57,000 and we uh increased the police
[1:51:16] over time and fire over time at 57,000
[1:51:22] but I when I was going into the office
[1:51:24] like I I told like I had thought we
[1:51:26] talked about increasing waste by 50% I
[1:51:29] wasn't
[1:51:31] sure no I did not put that it was 50% on
[1:51:35] Commercial the regular W too no because
[1:51:38] if you did that that would that would
[1:51:40] you know solve a lot of your
[1:51:43] problems and
[1:51:48] consistencies
[1:51:51] I'm not sure if we can get
[1:51:53] this 9
[1:51:55] [Music]
[1:51:57] minutes no try want to try to just pass
[1:52:00] the M's
[1:52:02] budget we do that again I would be in
[1:52:04] favor of
[1:52:08] that you're old this week you're old
[1:52:11] this week
[1:52:14] um Friday afternoon Friday afternoon is
[1:52:18] everybody El um
[1:52:20] complete this week John no I I'm
[1:52:26] out
[1:52:28] speak
[1:52:30] you I'm G Friday I'm back Friday
[1:52:34] afternoon go ahead please sorry so is
[1:52:38] every I just want to ask if three people
[1:52:39] were back on Saturday I know that sounds
[1:52:46] like is everybody good on that Saturday
[1:52:49] thank can ex work one make chair please
[1:52:53] be to to do it with five of us six of
[1:52:58] us
[1:53:00] back morning suppose go ahead you have your hand up I just want to
[1:53:07] know Miss the T said it had to be
[1:53:10] afternoon soly afteron oh not morning oh
[1:53:14] morning
[1:53:16] yes on Saturday yes you could do morning
[1:53:19] or early afterno
[1:53:20] I can do I can do either can we can we
[1:53:23] meet at at um
[1:53:28] 10 everybody yeah I can I just make it
[1:53:32] work make it work check please check
[1:53:36] your I just don't
[1:53:38] know nor yeah I'm
[1:53:46] sorry I can do it
[1:53:48] any
[1:53:55] oh 11 11 work better or early afternoon
[1:54:00] I need to be up 11 this Saturday or
[1:54:02] later go ahead please later
[1:54:06] i00 all
[1:54:08] right
[1:54:10] 118 18th right Saturday yeah is everybody good Saturday 11:
[1:54:23] a.m. yes you good M good yeah can do it
[1:54:28] all right so we'll recess the finance
[1:54:30] committee to Saturday
[1:54:33] November is it 18 18 18 at 11:
[1:54:37] a.m. second second all in favor I thank
[1:54:48] you yeah
[1:54:50] all
[1:54:56] right