1 00:00:00,170 --> 00:00:28,960 [Music] 2 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,930 he 3 00:00:32,940 --> 00:01:58,840 [Music] 4 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:03,530 yeah 5 00:02:03,540 --> 00:02:28,550 [Music] 6 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:33,000 like to call the Order special city council meeting for Monday 7 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,440 November 20th 8 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,560 2023 and the clerk would please call the 9 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:43,000 rooll Mr L Baron present Mr Toro present 10 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,319 Mr Farley is not here Mr 11 00:02:46,319 --> 00:02:50,120 Williams M Patrick here Mr pal here M 12 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,840 pfield 13 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,519 here if the 14 00:02:55,519 --> 00:02:57,760 clerk please read the notice of the 15 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,959 meeting and proof of service and and I 16 00:02:59,959 --> 00:03:02,239 just want to just before that tell um 17 00:03:02,239 --> 00:03:03,360 the public that there's no other 18 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,319 business that'll take place other than 19 00:03:05,319 --> 00:03:07,040 meeting uh the information that's going 20 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:08,879 to be transacted based on the reading 21 00:03:08,879 --> 00:03:10,200 from the 22 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,319 clerk Sor is the public going to get an 23 00:03:13,319 --> 00:03:14,879 opportunity to speak because I did get 24 00:03:14,879 --> 00:03:17,120 several calls and emails asking not 25 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,760 durin the special meeting all right cuz 26 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,480 uh I think if it was at a regular 27 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,680 opportunity regular councel me people 28 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,640 would have that opportunity I think it 29 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:28,840 would be fair they would but but special 30 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:30,560 the code speaks specifically to the 31 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,280 special meeting D 32 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:39,869 28-3 okay we've done it 33 00:03:39,879 --> 00:03:42,879 before the uh the city council was 34 00:03:42,879 --> 00:03:46,159 served by um Regular the notice was sent 35 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:48,760 to them and it reads media advisory 36 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,879 amended connected city council to hold a 37 00:03:50,879 --> 00:03:53,319 special council meeting followed by the 38 00:03:53,319 --> 00:03:55,760 city council committee meeting when on 39 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,120 Monday November 22nd 20th 2023 at 5:30 40 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,720 p.m. where at SKC City Hall 105 J Street 41 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,400 room 110 SKC New York 12305 details 42 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,319 connect city council convene a special 43 00:04:08,319 --> 00:04:10,599 council meeting to pass a 2024 operating 44 00:04:10,599 --> 00:04:12,560 budget and capital budget for the city 45 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,120 of SKC who this went up to the SK City 46 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,000 Council 47 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:24,670 Members pleas please read the agenda 48 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,000 item item number one for original 49 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,919 consideration an ordinance pursuant to 50 00:04:28,919 --> 00:04:30,840 section 36 of the second class City's 51 00:04:30,840 --> 00:04:34,080 laws and article F six of the charter of 52 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,360 the city of scen approving and adopting 53 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,600 the proposed operating budget for 2024 54 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,400 and authorizing the Appropriations 55 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,160 therein enumerated thank you at this 56 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,039 time if there any um discussion from the 57 00:04:46,039 --> 00:04:49,230 city 58 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,320 council Mr Williams uh I believe what 59 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,280 the public witnessed during the entirety 60 00:04:54,280 --> 00:04:57,800 of this budget meeting was uh trying to 61 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,560 understand how to best negotiate um what 62 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:01,919 you've recognized was there are 63 00:05:01,919 --> 00:05:04,240 individuals on both sides uh that were 64 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,240 trying to make concessions where due uh 65 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,080 I think what I recognized from my 66 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,160 vantage point was 67 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,840 uh we were um presented with the mayor's 68 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:17,759 budget and then there were a number of 69 00:05:17,759 --> 00:05:20,800 council members I can say myself uh that 70 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:22,960 I was not in entire agreement for his 71 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:24,880 budget and I think that for this process 72 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:26,880 to work smoothly it requires uh 73 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,280 productive and effective dialogue uh it 74 00:05:29,280 --> 00:05:31,479 was more challenging than not at 75 00:05:31,479 --> 00:05:33,400 sometimes but I'm confident that this 76 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,000 presented budget reflects the abilities 77 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,199 of myself I speak for myself to try and 78 00:05:39,199 --> 00:05:41,720 meet in the middle and present a budget 79 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,520 that best meets the considerations of 80 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,280 the city 81 00:05:45,280 --> 00:05:49,080 of so any further discussion Mr M Baron 82 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,880 yes thank you um I just to add to that I 83 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,520 mean it's a long um process 84 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,319 unfortunately we went beyond our 85 00:05:57,319 --> 00:06:00,039 schedule to get a budget this year 86 00:06:00,039 --> 00:06:03,240 but it's you know all of us uh mov 87 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,440 forward we should take that as a lesson 88 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,720 and to pretty much you know kind of work 89 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,199 more stronger together I would say work 90 00:06:11,199 --> 00:06:13,720 together work more stronger together so 91 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,680 that we can able and as Mr Williams says 92 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,080 you know we need to come to the table 93 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,919 with an open mind be respective of each 94 00:06:21,919 --> 00:06:24,360 other's opinion each other's comments 95 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:25,880 and at the same time we should not be 96 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:27,800 digging our heels in the sand and say 97 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,479 well the budget the 98 00:06:30,479 --> 00:06:32,720 budget it's been happening for years as 99 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,759 long as I've been on this Council here 100 00:06:34,759 --> 00:06:37,039 where the mayor present his budget we as 101 00:06:37,039 --> 00:06:39,240 Council we have an obligation to the 102 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,599 taxpayers to review the budget to go for 103 00:06:41,599 --> 00:06:43,280 the budget and to look at the budget and 104 00:06:43,280 --> 00:06:45,520 this one here is no different from all 105 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,759 the others that we have reviewed in the 106 00:06:47,759 --> 00:06:50,319 past yes some will say it's painful 107 00:06:50,319 --> 00:06:52,520 because we're doing it public in the 108 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,039 past and I can say that we have 109 00:06:55,039 --> 00:06:58,840 negotiation budget negotiation at at 110 00:06:58,840 --> 00:07:01,199 council members house and I was part of 111 00:07:01,199 --> 00:07:02,840 that so there's no secret about that and 112 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:05,080 now we're doing it here in the public 113 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,000 yes it's painful because we we have to 114 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,560 be accountable to the taxpayer and they 115 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,879 say yes connected so I want to encourage 116 00:07:11,879 --> 00:07:13,520 everybody as we move 117 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,639 forward next year I will ask that we 118 00:07:16,639 --> 00:07:19,599 have more open communication from the 119 00:07:19,599 --> 00:07:21,160 mayor's office from the council 120 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,879 president whoever that president is and 121 00:07:23,879 --> 00:07:26,240 from the chair of Finance whoever that 122 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,840 chair is next year so all of us need to 123 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:29,879 work 124 00:07:29,879 --> 00:07:32,759 together more so that we can able to 125 00:07:32,759 --> 00:07:34,520 deliver better for our taxpayer and the 126 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:35,599 C 127 00:07:35,599 --> 00:07:38,080 connec as the mayor mention we have seen 128 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,960 over the in this budget presentation 129 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,240 they will be short Falls and when do we 130 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:45,120 address 131 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,159 it and that's what some of the me 132 00:07:47,159 --> 00:07:48,840 majority of the members were looking at 133 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,360 to address it this this year rather than 134 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:52,840 waiting till next year and I think 135 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,039 that's what most of our decide to do is 136 00:07:55,039 --> 00:07:57,759 to address the short Falls that is 137 00:07:57,759 --> 00:08:00,120 tearing on us in 138 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,080 2025 and that's what concern are is that 139 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:07,120 we keep spending and it's not right for 140 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,199 us to pass those spending on on the back 141 00:08:10,199 --> 00:08:11,879 of the ordinary 142 00:08:11,879 --> 00:08:14,759 taxpayers and I think discussion was 143 00:08:14,759 --> 00:08:17,440 fruitful everybody had an opportunity on 144 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,120 the table here to discuss we had 145 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,599 department heads in several times the 146 00:08:22,599 --> 00:08:24,440 public has spoken the public has called 147 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,000 every one of us taxpayers I'm sure we 148 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:28,879 got a fair share of calls from everybody 149 00:08:28,879 --> 00:08:29,960 concerned 150 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:31,680 about the 151 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,839 fees concerned about things are going up 152 00:08:34,839 --> 00:08:38,070 and the service that been 153 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,399 provided is there any further 154 00:08:41,399 --> 00:08:43,680 discussion so first of all I just would 155 00:08:43,680 --> 00:08:45,760 like to uh thank you all council members 156 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,399 for your diligence and the mayor for 157 00:08:47,399 --> 00:08:48,880 working on this budget and I'm glad 158 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,160 we're at the point where we're 159 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,839 considering passing the budget uh pass 160 00:08:52,839 --> 00:08:55,040 the budget is a single most function um 161 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,040 of the city council and all Council 162 00:08:58,040 --> 00:08:59,839 changes just for every when it's cleared 163 00:08:59,839 --> 00:09:01,880 all the changes that were um are being 164 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,440 made by the council were discussed at 165 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,560 this table and presented at this table 166 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:08,760 openly and negotiation really should be 167 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,000 a two-way street and so some council 168 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:12,600 members came with changes that they were 169 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,480 interested in and others did not so we 170 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:16,839 only could consider what was brought 171 00:09:16,839 --> 00:09:21,720 before us to um to to to to consider I 172 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,079 know that this budget process took a 173 00:09:23,079 --> 00:09:25,000 longer than usual and I guess the last 174 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,760 time was 30 years ago um and but it it 175 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,519 took that long we just could not get to 176 00:09:30,519 --> 00:09:32,160 that place but we finally gotten to a 177 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:33,959 place where we can consider this 178 00:09:33,959 --> 00:09:36,120 budget and you know people talk about 179 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:37,800 the fees and we have to consider our 180 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,640 taxpayers and how we're impacting them 181 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,760 and if we want to maintain our reserves 182 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,720 we don't only do that by raising fees on 183 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,079 taxpayers and and um uh taxes on 184 00:09:48,079 --> 00:09:49,800 taxpayers but we have to look at other 185 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,640 ways that we can conceivably cut our 186 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,120 spending so that we can um have a 187 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,959 balanced budget and not um only uh 188 00:09:57,959 --> 00:10:00,640 burden our taxpayers 189 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:02,279 since the mayor has predicted that there 190 00:10:02,279 --> 00:10:04,360 will be a deficit I think it's incumbent 191 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,160 upon this Council to review our 192 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,839 financial status on a quarterly basis in 193 00:10:08,839 --> 00:10:10,839 order to keep track of where we are and 194 00:10:10,839 --> 00:10:12,480 to make any adjustments that may be 195 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,279 necessary during 2024 and that we not 196 00:10:15,279 --> 00:10:16,959 just wait until our annual budget and 197 00:10:16,959 --> 00:10:18,480 then consider those things so that would 198 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,120 be something that I would propose 199 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,320 putting forward um so at this point in 200 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,360 time no one else have 201 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:30,959 comments um so the motion the item 202 00:10:30,959 --> 00:10:32,440 before us and I haven't had a heard for 203 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,040 a roll call see a roll okay okay and 204 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,240 this this time with Miss M Michael call 205 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:43,440 the rooll Mr M Baron yes Mr Toro 206 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:48,519 no Mr Farley yes Mr Williams yes M 207 00:10:48,519 --> 00:10:52,040 Patrick no Mr palini just want to 208 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:57,040 explain my vote no no we've done that 209 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,800 this has gone on for decades and if you 210 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:01,959 want to change the rules you change the 211 00:11:01,959 --> 00:11:04,040 rules prior our Corporation Council has 212 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:05,399 told us our discussion takes place 213 00:11:05,399 --> 00:11:07,160 before then no the council has never 214 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,480 agreed on that and there's been it's in 215 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:10,600 the it's in the code there's been 216 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,600 explanation of votes for decades it's 217 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,639 been in the code it's in the code using 218 00:11:14,639 --> 00:11:15,880 the code prop you want to change the 219 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:16,959 rules and the 220 00:11:16,959 --> 00:11:19,120 council and I would ask you to abide by 221 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,880 the code well then you've not abided by 222 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:23,320 the code for 2 223 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,160 years so so then and Mr Cen brought it 224 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:27,519 to our attention that we hadn't and so 225 00:11:27,519 --> 00:11:28,800 now we are when was that discussed at 226 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,440 the council meeting it's in the code we 227 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,560 don't have this yes it does because you 228 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:34,200 changed the rules we did not change the 229 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,160 rules you have changed R we've discussed 230 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,880 votes Forever at this counil and the 231 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:41,560 last two times we did it we did it this 232 00:11:41,560 --> 00:11:44,519 way and so but there was no discussion 233 00:11:44,519 --> 00:11:46,800 it's in the code no see you want to hide 234 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,040 under the code the fact is that this 235 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,600 budget was a ridiculous process it was 236 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,360 political completely political because 237 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:56,839 of an election 238 00:11:56,839 --> 00:12:00,040 year you'd sit there and talk about the 239 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,320 taxpayers you've done nothing to help 240 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,839 the taxpayers in fact all you're doing 241 00:12:04,839 --> 00:12:07,000 is going to create a worse situation for 242 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:12,000 taxpayers in 2025 2026 and onward you've 243 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,959 taken away the ability of the mayor and 244 00:12:14,959 --> 00:12:16,880 the staff to do the management that they 245 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,959 require that they should be able to do 246 00:12:19,959 --> 00:12:23,600 you've created deficits in this budget 247 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,040 which is going to just increase the 248 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:27,720 deficit that's going 249 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,199 forward the the mayor said the budget 250 00:12:30,199 --> 00:12:32,199 deficit is going to be 251 00:12:32,199 --> 00:12:36,560 7.4 for sake argument we'll say it's 252 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:39,320 3.7 with this budget you've now created 253 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,120 a situation where that 3.7 is even going 254 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:43,480 to be 255 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:47,720 larger you've created a deficit with the 256 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,800 police and fire budgets which you've cut 257 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,959 in in overtime we automatically know 258 00:12:54,959 --> 00:12:56,360 that that's going to be more because 259 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:57,360 they're 260 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:01,000 understaffed you've cut the open 261 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,320 positions which you yourself just a few 262 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,240 months ago put out literature and let me 263 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:11,990 read it so I get it right 264 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,959 the let's 265 00:13:13,959 --> 00:13:17,040 see invest in 266 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,560 connty is what you're saying restore 267 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:22,079 city services fill many longstanding 268 00:13:22,079 --> 00:13:24,920 vacant city jobs in the general Services 269 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,360 engineering and development departments 270 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,680 when positions aren't filled your calls 271 00:13:29,680 --> 00:13:31,680 go unanswered your street doesn't get 272 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:34,160 plowed and code enforcement is 273 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,680 inadequate then it 274 00:13:37,680 --> 00:13:40,519 continues potholes matter adequately 275 00:13:40,519 --> 00:13:42,440 staff engineering and general Services 276 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,720 departments to restore roads and 277 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,120 sidewalks well that was a bunch of loany 278 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,560 wasn't it since we now have those 279 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:52,560 positions cut doesn't 280 00:13:52,560 --> 00:13:55,720 matter you've not created any situation 281 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,519 where your cost savings because those 282 00:13:57,519 --> 00:13:59,839 positions were unfilled that you cut if 283 00:13:59,839 --> 00:14:01,560 you really wanted the cost save you 284 00:14:01,560 --> 00:14:03,560 would have cut positions that 285 00:14:03,560 --> 00:14:06,920 filled so instead of and you say oh your 286 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,800 numbers you said that last year when the 287 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,519 count the chair of finance of the 288 00:14:12,519 --> 00:14:15,279 finance commissioner was asked where are 289 00:14:15,279 --> 00:14:18,440 my numbers wrong they're not 290 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,800 wrong they were correct because here we 291 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,440 had we're using 292 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:27,320 4.4 million or whatever it was of arpa 293 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,440 money that's automatic deficit we're 294 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,959 using 6.6 million in Def arpa money this 295 00:14:33,959 --> 00:14:36,279 year that's automatic deficit where is 296 00:14:36,279 --> 00:14:37,800 that money going to come 297 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,680 from you sit there and say well people 298 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,199 didn't participate you cash your vote 299 00:14:42,199 --> 00:14:46,959 sir I'm not done and so when positions 300 00:14:46,959 --> 00:14:50,120 were brought up nope cuz certain 301 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,000 departments certain whatever couldn't be 302 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,399 touched well then you really didn't want 303 00:14:55,399 --> 00:14:56,759 to hear from 304 00:14:56,759 --> 00:15:01,480 people so this situation this budget was 305 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,680 a farce it creates a deficit situation 306 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,519 and it only goes to hurt the residents 307 00:15:06,519 --> 00:15:08,519 of the city this is 308 00:15:08,519 --> 00:15:11,680 ridiculous yes it is ridiculous please 309 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,759 what I would like to say is that I'm not 310 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:16,519 surprised you I'm not 311 00:15:16,519 --> 00:15:20,079 surprised EXC me Mr Farley Mr Farley I'm 312 00:15:20,079 --> 00:15:22,720 not surpris so would you please C your 313 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,560 vote when I'm finished so here Mr Excuse 314 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,920 when I'm finished we should talk done 315 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,319 this for decades that should not be 316 00:15:31,319 --> 00:15:33,720 tolerated yeah it is respect when we've 317 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,440 had Decades of voting and now all of a 318 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:41,279 sudden you want to change the rules oh I'm not the parliamentarian I beg 319 00:15:41,279 --> 00:15:43,040 your pardon I'm not the parliamentarian 320 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:44,839 there's no question this country though 321 00:15:44,839 --> 00:15:47,399 I need you to CEST your my vote is now 322 00:15:47,399 --> 00:15:48,839 thank 323 00:15:48,839 --> 00:15:52,199 you who's for field my vote is yes and I 324 00:15:52,199 --> 00:15:53,519 just want to say this all that 325 00:15:53,519 --> 00:15:54,839 commentary comes from someone who has 326 00:15:54,839 --> 00:15:56,880 moved out of the city and is now a 327 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:58,959 taxpayer in another city I'm legal 328 00:15:58,959 --> 00:16:00,720 resident get your facts straight you 329 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,319 know president I said yes vot we voted 330 00:16:03,319 --> 00:16:06,319 yes the motion passes 4 to 331 00:16:06,319 --> 00:16:09,199 three need a motion to adjourn I would 332 00:16:09,199 --> 00:16:10,680 like to give you a motion to adjourn but 333 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,759 before I no sir you have to give a 334 00:16:12,759 --> 00:16:15,800 motion to to adjourn this is R all in 335 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,120 favor I we're adjourn thank you it's 336 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:19,880 unacceptable 337 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,040 behavior I'm not surprised I'd like to 338 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:24,480 call to 339 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,839 order this city council committee 340 00:16:26,839 --> 00:16:30,319 meeting for Monday before Mr jinsky 341 00:16:30,319 --> 00:16:32,360 leaves just wanted to acknowledge 342 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,800 predecessor here is app does it bring 343 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:36,759 back old 344 00:16:36,759 --> 00:16:39,399 memories no I you know what I never saw 345 00:16:39,399 --> 00:16:42,440 the council this dysfunctional and for 346 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,519 those that vote against this budget God 347 00:16:44,519 --> 00:16:46,759 bless you and you know something you you 348 00:16:46,759 --> 00:16:49,920 can quote everything you want but you 349 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:51,560 know something you should have had the 350 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,800 budget pass 351 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,920 you finger poting this is really you 352 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:00,040 wouldn't have want it done when you were 353 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,399 here so I appreciate you respecting this 354 00:17:02,399 --> 00:17:04,000 process even if everyone doesn't I'd 355 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,799 expect that from you thank you I'm 356 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:08,400 respecting the 357 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,760 proc know my own I'll see M didn't even 358 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,120 get a chance to talk I spend $10,000 a 359 00:17:14,120 --> 00:17:19,549 year and my property 360 00:17:19,559 --> 00:17:21,799 taxes I'd like to call the ERS conc the 361 00:17:21,799 --> 00:17:23,600 city council committee meeting for 362 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,520 Monday November 20 363 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,799 2023 the first order of business is 364 00:17:27,799 --> 00:17:30,830 finance 365 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:32,559 thank you I would like to call the 366 00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:34,400 finance committee to further and the 367 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,720 first item is a presentation on the 2024 368 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,870 dsic 369 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:46,480 budget from dsic yes I am sorry know 370 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,200 where stand yes 371 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,320 okay please U give us a brief um summary 372 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:57,360 of your um agency's budget yes um so 373 00:17:57,360 --> 00:17:59,280 good evening everyone my name is Carney 374 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,880 McGuire I am the interim executive 375 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,000 director for the downtown skincity 376 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,039 Improvement Court 377 00:18:06,039 --> 00:18:08,799 dsic um good evening everyone thank you 378 00:18:08,799 --> 00:18:10,679 city council president Mar and 379 00:18:10,679 --> 00:18:12,960 Porterfield mayor McCarthy I also want 380 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,400 to recognize quickly that they have the 381 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,760 entire Board of the dsic joining us 382 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,520 tonight we have chair Heather Peterson 383 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:24,640 we have Ray leir we have Andrea Cordo we 384 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,120 have Phil wah we have Mitch Ramsey we 385 00:18:28,120 --> 00:18:28,880 have 386 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,039 um Austin Fischer and we have Michael 387 00:18:31,039 --> 00:18:33,159 Burns so we have quite a full house here 388 00:18:33,159 --> 00:18:35,919 tonight uh just a couple quick notes um 389 00:18:35,919 --> 00:18:38,840 regarding the dsic our environmental 390 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,320 enhancement and maintenance program or 391 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,520 eem which amounts to the overall 392 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,480 cleanliness and beautification of 393 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,400 downtown's connecti and the dsic 394 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,159 footprint promotions and marketing that 395 00:18:51,159 --> 00:18:54,720 includes all events Maps social media 396 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,000 Weekly Newsletter and the ongoing 397 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,600 promotion and support of our 398 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,400 stakeholders and this year the dsic 399 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,200 proudly completed the jsquare project of 400 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:06,880 which we were 401 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:08,919 instrumental we are here tonight to 402 00:19:08,919 --> 00:19:11,360 present our 2024 budget for your 403 00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:15,159 consideration of the dsad assessment as 404 00:19:15,159 --> 00:19:17,520 part of your packet you have three items 405 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:21,840 for review first is the 2024 proposed 406 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:25,400 dsad assessment summary you will see we 407 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,919 are proposing a total assessment of 300 408 00:19:28,919 --> 00:19:32,760 80,000 this amount is up 25,000 from the 409 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,559 prior year in 2019 our district was 410 00:19:36,559 --> 00:19:39,679 expanded to include parts of Broadway 411 00:19:39,679 --> 00:19:43,480 Little Italy and Erie Boulevard most 412 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,840 recently we added J square and Gateway 413 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,600 Park as part of our eem program 414 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,600 responsibilities when our district was 415 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,200 expanded in 2019 an overall increase of 416 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,799 100,000 was approved to take place over 417 00:19:57,799 --> 00:20:01,799 4 years years we froze that due to covid 418 00:20:01,799 --> 00:20:03,799 like so many other things and this 419 00:20:03,799 --> 00:20:06,000 budget proposal includes that last 420 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,440 installment of 421 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,720 $225,000 you will see we propose 422 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,240 increasing the base for minimum 423 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:18,679 fee from 340 to 360 which amounts to 424 00:20:18,679 --> 00:20:22,120 about a dollar a day those are roughly 425 00:20:22,120 --> 00:20:25,960 470 properties that pay that assessment 426 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,000 out of the 470 about half of them pay 427 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,440 the minimum fee which is about a dollar 428 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,480 a day private residences and rentals 429 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,640 properties with less than four units do 430 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,120 not pay any assessment the second page 431 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:42,400 is a summary of Where the funding comes 432 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,679 from to support our operation and 433 00:20:44,679 --> 00:20:47,320 programming the First Column shows how 434 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,840 we allocate the dsad assessment 435 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,480 11,400 or 3% of the funds are allocated 436 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,840 to basic 437 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,559 Administration 14 144 or 30% of the 438 00:21:00,559 --> 00:21:03,120 funds are allocated to our business 439 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:05,600 promotion programs events and all of 440 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,840 those things then you'll see 254 600 or 441 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,640 67% of the funds are 442 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,360 allocated um line share to our outdoor 443 00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:17,799 program again the EM those are the guys 444 00:21:17,799 --> 00:21:20,039 you see out there all the time if you 445 00:21:20,039 --> 00:21:21,880 follow that along to the bottom line you 446 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,880 will see where the lebby contributes 447 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,559 380,000 to our overall support our 448 00:21:27,559 --> 00:21:29,919 expenses are actually closer to 449 00:21:29,919 --> 00:21:32,640 937 the balance of our funding comes 450 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,039 mainly from Metroplex Authority along 451 00:21:35,039 --> 00:21:37,480 with our own fundraising and our own 452 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,880 events the third page is our budget with 453 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,640 the breakdown of what our revenue and 454 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,159 expenses are and how those amounts are 455 00:21:45,159 --> 00:21:47,799 allocated to our programs and this is 456 00:21:47,799 --> 00:21:49,960 where you'll see that there actually is 457 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,799 some decreases in some areas 458 00:21:51,799 --> 00:21:53,919 reallocation we really went through it 459 00:21:53,919 --> 00:21:55,880 very carefully and figured out where we 460 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,080 needed to to have our spending this year 461 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,159 and drop downs on some other things so 462 00:22:01,159 --> 00:22:03,760 that's what I've got 463 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:10,320 and like to open it up to any questions come in go ahead please um 464 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,440 well I appreciate all the work that um 465 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,760 you all do on your board and I and I 466 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,440 thank you for all the work that you do 467 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,240 uh throughout the city um and I 468 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,520 appreciate the the differences here in 469 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,440 your budget but I did want to um just 470 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,360 ask a little bit about the difference in 471 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:31,039 the um the donations and sponsorships 472 00:22:31,039 --> 00:22:33,200 um if you could just talk a little bit 473 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,120 about that from the 2023 to the 2024 474 00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:39,000 budget right have the top right 475 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,360 here um oh so we we dropped that down a 476 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:45,080 little bit we we've already um our 477 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,240 donations and sponsorships we we've 478 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,520 already met a c a little bit of that at 479 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,600 this time and we felt that that was 480 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,200 something where we really could tweak it 481 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,520 um for for getting our donations that 482 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:58,840 maybe Chang changing up some of the 483 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,080 fundraising that we do a little bit and 484 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,320 kind of reallocate where we're actually 485 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,679 looking for maybe more sponsorship 486 00:23:05,679 --> 00:23:08,720 dollars okay thank 487 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,880 you any other questions go ahead please 488 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,400 I just like to comment on um the 489 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,240 condition of downtown how nice it looks 490 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,799 and it helps with the Renaissance of the 491 00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:21,640 everything that's going on um being uh 492 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,600 downtown I'm very appreciative of the 493 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,600 work that's done on a daily basis uh the 494 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,080 workers are out there day night snow 495 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:33,200 rain snow sleep hail icing every corner 496 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,760 so that residents can um you know get up 497 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,520 on the sidewalks that are maintained by 498 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,039 the by the area of residents and 499 00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:41,320 businesses so I would just like to um 500 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,360 thank that I really like to see you move 501 00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:45,000 a little further out of the city up 502 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,279 State Street so um and uh hopefully you 503 00:23:48,279 --> 00:23:50,200 know you'll be able to do that moving 504 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,159 forward thank you I really appreciate 505 00:23:52,159 --> 00:23:53,679 that and I got to tell you our folks 506 00:23:53,679 --> 00:23:55,960 really appreciate when people stop them 507 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,120 in the street and have a little chat 508 00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:59,279 with them and say thank you and kind of 509 00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:01,080 bolsters them them up it's a tough job 510 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,159 and it's Relentless as you know so I 511 00:24:04,159 --> 00:24:06,320 guess I would just Echo what my former 512 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,840 also council members saying because 513 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,640 sometimes people experience the city and 514 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,240 they see these really cool things 515 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,279 happening um but you could take it for 516 00:24:14,279 --> 00:24:16,000 granted you know because honestly you 517 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,760 guys aren't really out here you know 518 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,159 beating the chest telling about all the 519 00:24:19,159 --> 00:24:20,480 great work that you're doing so anytime 520 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,679 we get an opportunity on foration like 521 00:24:22,679 --> 00:24:24,279 this is very refreshing and and it's 522 00:24:24,279 --> 00:24:26,080 good for people to take away from this 523 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,240 that there's a lot of hard work and 524 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,000 planning that to go behind all the great 525 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,760 work that you guys are doing so I just 526 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,440 extend my appreciation as well 527 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,240 appreciate that thank 528 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,000 you any other coming from a young member 529 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,679 again thank you and thank you to all the 530 00:24:38,679 --> 00:24:41,440 members are doing a wonderful job for 531 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,520 downtown residents and I appreciate that 532 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,039 thank you thank for coming there's 533 00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:46,600 nothing we need to do on this item it's 534 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:47,880 just a reminder that there will be a 535 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:52,440 public hearing uh next Monday 700 p.m. 536 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,039 the next item is the presentation of the 537 00:24:54,039 --> 00:24:57,279 2024 Upper Union Street bid do we have a 538 00:24:57,279 --> 00:25:02,430 representative here 539 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,000 please thank you you're 540 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,039 welcome thank you I know it's always a 541 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:09,520 hard one to follow behind downtown 542 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,120 because we're a much more modest 543 00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:14,640 group so they start the bar a little 544 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,520 high but um I'm here representing the 545 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,200 Upper Union Street business improvement 546 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,320 district I am the acting executive 547 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:21,960 director currently so thank you to the 548 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,720 city council for their support to mayor 549 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,760 mccy for his support as well um as I 550 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,399 just mentioned we have a more modest 551 00:25:28,399 --> 00:25:30,240 budget that we run up on our you know 552 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,799 small neck of the woods but we've really 553 00:25:31,799 --> 00:25:34,440 been focused and you'll see reflected in 554 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,880 the budget for this uh upcoming year on 555 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,799 beautification efforts on up reunion 556 00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:40,840 street so this year a big um part of 557 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,159 that was getting brand new Street 558 00:25:42,159 --> 00:25:44,520 planters that we were able to filled 559 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,080 with flowers that matched the downtown 560 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,200 uh landscape as well we actually worked 561 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,320 with downtown Improvement Corp and had 562 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,440 um brought their Landscaping Crews up 563 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,240 our way we actually um uh yeah paid to 564 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:57,760 have theirs come up take care of 565 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,320 installing flowers that match just for 566 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:00,919 the cohesion since we are one of the 567 00:26:00,919 --> 00:26:02,640 thorough faires that take people into 568 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,080 downtown um and we took care of watering 569 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,080 so that way everything stayed looking as 570 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,120 good as when they planted it um and now 571 00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:10,760 we're exploring some ideas for next year 572 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,559 that include some Urban art 573 00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:14,320 opportunities uh we're working with 574 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,640 local artists um nonprofit art groups 575 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,080 just to try to bring some of what's 576 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,880 happening in downtown up to our neck of 577 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,919 the woods um you know we've obviously 578 00:26:22,919 --> 00:26:25,039 had an interesting year as being the 579 00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:27,120 first location with the dispensary in 580 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:29,720 connected and EMP Union Street uh which 581 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,840 has been a lot of the focus up our way 582 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,880 so we're researching opportunities for 583 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,919 extra signage for parking um and all of 584 00:26:36,919 --> 00:26:38,640 that's kind of into our beautification 585 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,600 efforts here and then we still do have a 586 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,840 couple of events that we run uh a 587 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,600 Halloween trick-or treat for kids and 588 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,200 then our holiday tree lighting which is 589 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,840 this Saturday as well so I think that 590 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,799 pretty much touches on most of it if 591 00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:53,000 there's any questions happy to answer 592 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,240 those questions come 593 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,870 on just one 594 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,360 again I'd like to thank you I I know 595 00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:04,799 this Christmas decorations up by the the 596 00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:07,200 um in the circle there yes um they are 597 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,279 they they look beautiful and spending a 598 00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:11,120 lot of time and U visiting a lot of 599 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:13,279 businesses in the uh Upper Union Street 600 00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:15,559 my account include it that um I always 601 00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:17,279 like going up there things look nice and 602 00:27:17,279 --> 00:27:19,559 I thank you for taking the time to make 603 00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:21,559 it all the residents and U visitors 604 00:27:21,559 --> 00:27:23,640 coming into the city appreciate how 605 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,200 pretty our city actually is so thank you 606 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,799 great thank you go ahead um I also would 607 00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:30,919 like to just say the events are fun and 608 00:27:30,919 --> 00:27:33,080 I know that the the trick-or treat thing 609 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,799 was just I mean it was unbelievable how 610 00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:38,559 many people were out two years of 611 00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:40,200 perfect weather too which helped cuz it 612 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,720 was near 70° 2 years in a row so yeah it 613 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,559 was wonderful to see this the sidewalks 614 00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:46,960 full again you know in the postco world 615 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,960 it's just nice to see and we have a very 616 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,880 walkable community so you have a lot of 617 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,279 people that live on those side streets 618 00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:53,880 coming out yeah it was great I know 619 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,240 talking with some of the businesses they 620 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,200 had a lot of fun with it too so 621 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,840 fantastic fantastic thank you very much 622 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:03,840 thank you thank you very much thank you thank you for you're doing you 623 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,960 and this is also just a reminder for a 624 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,799 public hearing uh next Monday 7 625 00:28:09,799 --> 00:28:14,720 p.m. the next item is increasing the minimum income for New 626 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,600 York real real property tax 627 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,880 exemption Mr Williams yes uh so we left 628 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,760 off last meeting where miss m was going 629 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,360 to come and give us an update and some 630 00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:27,039 proposed numbers so she's here at the 631 00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:29,720 time I looking forward to hearing her 632 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,600 update um 633 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,919 so is it on um so I had had been 634 00:28:35,919 --> 00:28:37,919 expecting some questions and I didn't 635 00:28:37,919 --> 00:28:40,279 really get much from people um in 636 00:28:40,279 --> 00:28:42,640 between the last time that I was here 637 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,080 you know I ran the two scenarios I still 638 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,880 would like to um encourage the the idea 639 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,000 that um you stick with a lower number um 640 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,000 to start because if we do have another 641 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,399 increase in Social Security in the 642 00:28:56,399 --> 00:28:59,960 future we want to be able to adjust um 643 00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:02,919 and you know stay like I I think I gave 644 00:29:02,919 --> 00:29:05,080 the scenario of uh 645 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,039 4,400 and then I went all the way up to 646 00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:13,720 or 45,000 and I just think that's a pretty big jump um to make in 647 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,840 terms of you know I think making an 648 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,320 increase would be a wise decision just 649 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,519 because we haven't done that since uh 650 00:29:20,519 --> 00:29:23,760 2009 um but making a big jump could you 651 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,039 know I mean it's listening to the budget 652 00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:28,279 stuff and all that it wouldn't want to 653 00:29:28,279 --> 00:29:30,679 um have that be a problem you add to 654 00:29:30,679 --> 00:29:32,440 that you know what what's going to 655 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:33,880 happen in the future 656 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,440 so 657 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,399 um so I don't yes are you so can you 658 00:29:39,399 --> 00:29:41,440 before you gave us the amounts um so can 659 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,240 you tell us what the amounts are and 660 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,399 then which you would be um So currently 661 00:29:46,399 --> 00:29:49,679 the um the threshold is 662 00:29:49,679 --> 00:29:53,519 37,400 um and that's for that's the most 663 00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:56,320 amount um and then as that reduces to 664 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,720 29,000 um that's how the percentages go 665 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,080 up so what I'm suggesting is instead of 666 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,320 37,400 we bump it up to 667 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,480 4,400 um and I had in those the scenario 668 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:10,880 and the paperwork that I had given you 669 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,200 last time you know that 670 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,039 um would looking at what a tax bill 671 00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:19,960 would be for that amount um wouldn't be 672 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,039 as much of a hit as if we were to go any 673 00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:25,279 higher than that um for the time 674 00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:29,440 being um see again 7 4 uh 675 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,159 4,400 so it's just increasing it by 676 00:30:32,159 --> 00:30:36,830 $3,000 increasing thank 677 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:41,760 you go ahead um and do we know or can 678 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,440 you I I mean I don't know that you can 679 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,600 estimate necessarily how much that is 680 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,559 going to hit our budget it's hard 681 00:30:47,559 --> 00:30:48,880 because I don't know who's going to 682 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,519 apply that I think that was part of the 683 00:30:50,519 --> 00:30:52,440 discussion last time is that it's it's 684 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,159 really a you know I mean it's anybody 685 00:30:54,159 --> 00:30:56,360 who turned 65 um it's people that may 686 00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,279 have been um may have lost the exemption 687 00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:02,679 in the past because of a one oneoff situ 688 00:31:02,679 --> 00:31:05,320 you know just one year um so it's hard 689 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:06,679 to predict we're getting a lot of 690 00:31:06,679 --> 00:31:08,159 applications in now but a lot of these 691 00:31:08,159 --> 00:31:11,000 are people who already had it um because 692 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,360 we just sent out our renewal notices so 693 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,159 got you thanks 694 00:31:16,159 --> 00:31:18,799 yeah and you think by moving it to 45 695 00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:21,360 that would be too drastic I do yeah I I 696 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,600 think it's just it's I think it's too 697 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,000 much to um to go at least for the first 698 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,639 year now the the fact that the state set 699 00:31:28,639 --> 00:31:30,279 the limit at 50 you know I mean I think 700 00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:32,279 we had a discussion too about down state 701 00:31:32,279 --> 00:31:35,240 and and higher incomes down but it also 702 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,000 gives then if if we go to 703 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,600 4,400 it allows us in the future to you 704 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,880 know continue to to bump it up if we 705 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,080 need to 706 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:51,399 um and the 4,400 is commensurate it's 8% 707 00:31:51,399 --> 00:31:54,480 increase so it's right along the lines 708 00:31:54,480 --> 00:32:10,470 of the increase with Social Security 709 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,230 any other 710 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,159 question uh go ahead please so that's 711 00:32:17,159 --> 00:32:18,799 the conclusion of the comments I 712 00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:20,120 definitely appreciate you coming back to 713 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,200 the council writing us another upate uh 714 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,320 I know that we were identifying there's 715 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,679 no apparent rush because we have 716 00:32:26,679 --> 00:32:30,519 conceived till March of 2024 to make a 717 00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:33,399 determination it sounds more as if that 718 00:32:33,399 --> 00:32:36,120 the council is accepting of the 719 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,720 4,400 price range just trying to gauge 720 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:39,960 where everyone 721 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,720 is 722 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,919 yeah and I believe there has to be a 723 00:32:44,919 --> 00:32:51,190 public hear in 724 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,279 C some goad please are we calling for a 725 00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:57,039 public hearing at this point or I think 726 00:32:57,039 --> 00:32:59,159 so wanted to know gaug where where the 727 00:32:59,159 --> 00:33:01,519 council sits in terms of 728 00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:05,840 40,000 400 or 45,000 or 729 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,639 maximum I I I I'm incl to go with the 730 00:33:09,639 --> 00:33:12,720 suggestion from U our assessor who is 731 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,440 knowledgeable in this field so I would 732 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,240 say that um let's look at 4,400 at this 733 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,080 point in time and then you know revisit 734 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:25,950 it if we need to down the 735 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,440 road more 736 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,919 that I mean I initially uh my natural 737 00:33:32,919 --> 00:33:35,039 inclination was to I'd like to see it a 738 00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:36,679 little higher but I think I'm based on 739 00:33:36,679 --> 00:33:38,480 you know us not really being able to 740 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,440 gauge how many people I think that that 741 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,519 is where you know you know I definitely 742 00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:50,190 offer that difference I 743 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,519 care so you would you like to move 744 00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:56,039 forward now or we we can call for public 745 00:33:56,039 --> 00:33:58,080 hearing since we have the information 746 00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,960 have what we're going to move forward 747 00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:01,919 with in terms of 748 00:34:01,919 --> 00:34:04,399 numbers so would you like to wait 749 00:34:04,399 --> 00:34:05,639 another two more 750 00:34:05,639 --> 00:34:11,359 weeks uh heard from four council members 751 00:34:11,359 --> 00:34:14,760 oh oh I I would support going to with 752 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,710 what our City Assessor is 753 00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:21,119 recommending as 754 00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:25,310 well I already already 755 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,240 said sure some make a motion uh that we 756 00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:29,960 proceed with the 757 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,599 4,400 um based on Miss um M Roy's 758 00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:35,760 recommendation which allows us to to 759 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,320 gauge how that affects our our city 760 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,200 moving forward and should we need to 761 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,480 continue with subsequent increases I 762 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:47,399 think that does it in a manner that's uh financially prudent to the city and 763 00:34:47,399 --> 00:34:49,760 it's not going to overwhelm so we're 764 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,280 moving forward a motion to call for 765 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,720 public hearing based on those comment 766 00:34:53,720 --> 00:34:55,879 and recommendation from the 767 00:34:55,879 --> 00:34:58,800 assesses we have a second I'll second 768 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:05,200 all in favor I thank you thank you thank you very 769 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,160 much the public hearing is de December 770 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,920 11 thank you the next item is the 771 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,800 highback maintenance and repair for 772 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:17,670 20123 Mr 773 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:23,320 Leon are you coming yes goe excuse 774 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,920 me um we're here uh what we're doing 775 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,839 here is uh actually U using the city's 776 00:35:29,839 --> 00:35:31,599 connect purchasing policy and what we 777 00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:35,440 did uh to provide the uh pair and 778 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,560 maintenance of uh all the ventilation 779 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,280 Air Conditioning Heating and all the 780 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,760 Haack for the whole city we went out the 781 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,960 competitive bid so that we get the you 782 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,440 know a company in with us so that 783 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:47,920 there'll be our call then you know 784 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,640 they'll come in right away um we we went 785 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,599 out the bid and R&B mechanical were were 786 00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:56,480 the winners of the bid um if you seen 787 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,119 the pack it until it shows you how much 788 00:35:58,119 --> 00:36:01,119 uh the the cost will be and we're 789 00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:04,480 requesting that the mayor authorize 790 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,920 this discussion go ahead please so how 791 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,599 long is the uh contract for it's going 792 00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:11,960 to be for a year just one year 793 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,680 yeah thank 794 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,480 you any other 795 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,079 comments hold on hold on so um so we 796 00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:21,880 only had one person that uh came back on 797 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,200 the bid that is correct that's it yeah 798 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,680 but we did we did send them out to all 799 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,920 our uh all our uh respective people that 800 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,240 we use okay thank 801 00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:36,160 you any other comment may have a 802 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,440 motion yes second second all in favor I 803 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,880 thank you the next item is the road Ro 804 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,079 Garden restoration committee potential 805 00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:48,119 reimbursement of expense Mr Ferrari yes 806 00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:50,160 uh every year Rose Garden uh they 807 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,119 request us to uh uh help them uh with 808 00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:55,480 the bills that they pay throughout the 809 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,599 year and we pay them with the amount 810 00:36:57,599 --> 00:36:59,680 that we've collected for the use of the 811 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,920 garden permits and phot photo permits uh 812 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,680 this this year we received the 813 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,359 $1,795 for the garding request and for 814 00:37:08,359 --> 00:37:10,880 photos we actually received 815 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:15,760 $1,875 for a total of uh for a total of 816 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,880 uh where is it right 817 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,560 here 818 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,040 3670 uh uh the Rose Garden they sent us 819 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,400 uh uh bills and uh requested uh bills 820 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,750 for 821 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:33,079 $3,635 37 which is you know uh a little 822 00:37:33,079 --> 00:37:35,880 bit below us so we got about $34 and 60 823 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,280 something cents that we can play with 824 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,520 extra but we're requesting to send this 825 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,280 to the r ging committee because they do 826 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,160 a great job uh it's always beautiful 827 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,599 they're working very well and I'm hope 828 00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:48,079 uh we pass 829 00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:51,680 this any question on this see now may 830 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,599 have a motion I'll move it all in favor 831 00:37:54,599 --> 00:37:56,599 I thank you thank you very much any 832 00:37:56,599 --> 00:37:58,200 business supp for finance motion to 833 00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,440 adjer 834 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,240 second second all in favor I thank you 835 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:04,839 i' like to call order City development 836 00:38:04,839 --> 00:38:06,800 and planning we have six items on the 837 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,680 agenda uh our first one is followup of 838 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,030 arpa contracts Miss 839 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:17,349 Carver good 840 00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:20,280 evening mayor Madam president city 841 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,119 council it's always a great pleasure to 842 00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:24,960 be here um to report and give you update 843 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,359 on our updates on our state fast 844 00:38:27,359 --> 00:38:30,920 progress regarding executed arpa 845 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,800 contracts um So currently we were able 846 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,000 to move since the last time I recorded 847 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,040 on the six two ex fully executed 848 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,800 contracts from scat and Hamilton hill 849 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,720 art center um contracts that have been 850 00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:46,520 approved by corporate Council and signed 851 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,359 by the mayor and we are waiting for um 852 00:38:49,359 --> 00:38:51,400 signed back from our sub recipients 853 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,920 include the Green Market Boys and Girls 854 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,119 Club and the seat Center um currently in 855 00:38:57,119 --> 00:38:59,480 corporate Council review is Habitat for 856 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,720 Humanity and the skn SKC Kus club and we 857 00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:06,079 are still pending decisions um from the 858 00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:09,079 city council on the bcni Hamilton Hill 859 00:39:09,079 --> 00:39:11,119 um infield Project Extension and the 860 00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:13,800 Coco house change of use of funds and 861 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,200 also pending the um extension um 862 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,079 deadline to move forward with getting 863 00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:21,200 contract out to our sub recipients would 864 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,520 be the YWCA Harbor House project Miracle 865 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,160 on Craig and Electric City 866 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,560 any questions or 867 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,880 comments I'm sorry can you just tell me 868 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,480 the extension ones were bcni Coco house 869 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,720 did you have a was there and 870 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:40,040 Craig um okay I got those I got YWCA 871 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,680 miracle and Craig electric city but I 872 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:42,480 thought they were two different 873 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,640 categories they are pending decision 874 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,800 from city council is the bcni Hamilton 875 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,160 Hill and the Coco house change use of 876 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,640 funds okay thank you thank you and BC 877 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:59,790 and also wants an extension yes they request an 878 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,400 extension so asked oh I'm sorry you have 879 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,119 a question asked Miss car to um to give 880 00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:07,760 us some writing in a chart so we 881 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,560 actually have it all in front of exactly 882 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,440 where everything is so it's you're 883 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,520 welcome so that we can take a look at it 884 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,079 and just kind of keep up with it I know 885 00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:16,880 that you got it all down yes not a 886 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,400 problem I will get that to you before 887 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,280 the holiday okay that's great I was just 888 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:22,640 going to say it seems like progress is 889 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,599 moving along um and I just want to 890 00:40:24,599 --> 00:40:26,359 appreciate the work that you're doing um 891 00:40:26,359 --> 00:40:28,560 I know that this is a fight the undertak 892 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,440 and done a wonderful job th far so I 893 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:38,000 appreciate those thank you so much thank you any question so for C house we didn't 894 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,800 discuss the M ter just a presentation us 895 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,200 right request to change the the contract 896 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,920 right so where is that sitting at this 897 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,119 point in time at this point in time it 898 00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:50,720 has to come back to the council has to 899 00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:52,599 have they brought it to us we just 900 00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:54,040 discussed it so it's up to the council 901 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,640 now so at our next committee meeting we 902 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,880 have to bring those back that that we 903 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,000 did not make decisions on and the infill 904 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,400 for bcni was one and also coko house 905 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,119 they both came because one wanted an 906 00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:06,960 extension the other wanted change the 907 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,280 use of funds and we have to um and also 908 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,599 why WCA wanted additional 909 00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:14,960 funding so that's why she gives us a 910 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,480 chart of what everything is when we come 911 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,319 to the next committee meeting we can 912 00:41:18,319 --> 00:41:20,839 have all those things before us to um to 913 00:41:20,839 --> 00:41:21,960 bring for 914 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,800 discussion okay thank you you're 915 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,680 welcome thank you thank 916 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,599 you uh the next item on the agenda is a 917 00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:35,520 ceremonial resolution to honor uh Rond 918 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,520 Canta uh at the ski County honor of that 919 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:39,520 uh 920 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,280 ceremony and I think it's 921 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,319 December it's early in December so I 922 00:41:44,319 --> 00:41:45,640 want to make sure we get the test so 923 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,200 that we have the uh resolution there for 924 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,829 the um 925 00:41:50,839 --> 00:41:54,880 event second all in favor I thank 926 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,960 you see last three items are excuse me 927 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,440 the last four items are for property 928 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,079 sales and would have to be done in 929 00:42:03,079 --> 00:42:05,319 executive session so I ask for a motion 930 00:42:05,319 --> 00:42:09,000 to recess Mr Brown's not here who's 931 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,280 presenting for him nobody nobody nobody 932 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,990 let us 933 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,960 Michelle let us no okay well because 934 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,319 Miss excuse me I'll go through it if the 935 00:42:21,319 --> 00:42:23,000 council's inclined we can work through 936 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,599 it together I know that uh Miss DAV Mrs 937 00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:28,480 Davis did the um meeting so you will do 938 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,079 those okay so we'll go we'll recess now 939 00:42:31,079 --> 00:42:32,800 and then do that in executive session 940 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,240 motion to 941 00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:37,559 recess second all in favor we're recess 942 00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:39,559 thank you I'd like to call the order the 943 00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:40,720 Public Safety Committee we have two 944 00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:42,800 items on the agenda tonight uh first the 945 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,480 which will be by Chief Marino and that 946 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:53,390 is the drug screening 947 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,200 policy if the council if the council's 948 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,359 inclined for this um this could be this 949 00:42:59,359 --> 00:43:01,480 could go into executive session since it 950 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,760 is uh related to collective bargaining 951 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,280 okay corre so we'll hold that for 952 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,520 executive session the second item is 953 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,000 going to be the firefighter trainee 954 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,040 Chief same thing same thing yes it's 955 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:19,870 related to colle okay this 956 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,800 time at this 957 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,079 time no 958 00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:37,870 EX second all in 959 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,000 favor no there's no there's no one here 960 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,240 I looked around except the um the DI 961 00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:47,000 doing the he's getting it