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I'd like to call the ordance conected

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city council committee meeting for

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Monday December 18th 2023 and the first

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committee is Public Safety Mr Willams

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I'd like to call order to the Public

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Safety Committee we have one item on the

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agenda tonight and that is a

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presentation for brink uh Jerome as a

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responder very much uh good evening uh

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city council uh mayor and happy holidays

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to everybody um thank you for having us

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tonight I'm going to hand out a uh take

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one pass it around a handout um I just

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want to introduce um members of the

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company Brink that are here tonight with

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us the the reason that we're before you

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is that we'd like to enter into a

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contract with Brink and they they're

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bringing a platform of technology to our

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disposal some which is tactical which we

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would like to implement right away

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others which is more strategic and we'd

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like to implement that over the next

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years year the um the Drone as a first

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responder is a is a is a concept that um

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we've looked at for a while and we'd

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like to implement it a lot of the

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reasons for this is that I've heard what

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each and every one of you has said

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specifically Mr mud and response times I

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know are very important to you and

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they're important to the city council in

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addition to um having the ability to

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deescalate situations uh in a better

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capacity without having to go handson uh

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and then providing officer safety which

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is important to all of us so these are

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some of the reasons why um we started

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looking at this concept and I thought it

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was important to bring um the the

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experts here to speak to you have a

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brief presentation for uh to for Don

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Redmond who's a friend of mine he's a

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retired captain from schul Vista Police

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Department he'll do the presentation his

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colleague uh David flowers is here also

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um to answer any questions that you may

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have so without any further I'll pass B

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to take it over thank you very much I

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guess I'll stand here thank you very

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much for having us um as chiefer said

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Don Rond retired 10 months ago I wasent

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26 years at the J dist Police Department

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which is in San Diego California down

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Southern California um it came to Brink

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really with the idea is Brink is a

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public safety specific Drum company we

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just build drums for Public Safety so

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came here to build out a solution um

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specifically called drum as a first

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responder and I'm going to give you a

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presentation on that so what as a first

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responder is for those of you don't know

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JIS the police department is the first

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in the world to start launching drones

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in October 2018 from the rooftop of

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their Police Department so in October of

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2018 we launched our first drone off the

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rooftop of the police department to

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respond to emergencies not just to to

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patrol or anything only for calls for

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service for emergencies um over the next

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5 years the programs been in in

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existence now for 5 years uh we expanded

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the program to four launch locations in

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Citywide coverage um about 30 times a day flying um to calls for

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service and I'll give you some um some

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examples of that the whole whole idea

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was we wanted to reimagine how we

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respond to poer service we heard the

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national message that then police

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departments need to do different things

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differently and so this was one of the

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steps that we took um just just so um

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you know is the first but right now

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there's probably

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40 um police departments within the the

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country that have either began their dfr

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progr or in the early stages of it but I

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would say only about eight 8 to 10 um

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departments have what is really the kind

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of the the model that chista has so with

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that um just understanding why dfr was

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important um police uh helicopter have

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been around for for many many years um

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and they're very beneficial for for

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police departments we um I don't think

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there's a police chief in the nation who if we had the opportunity to have a

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police helicopter they would say sure we

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would love to have them because of the

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idea that it gives you firsthand

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experience has a a trained Observer

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who's relaying information back to to

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ground units they're they're able to do

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this um safely but what is the challenge

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with the police helicopter it's cost

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it's huge it's interesting um they just

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did an audit from for Los Angeles Police

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Department I thought I'd throw this in

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here that they they said $3,000 an hour

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for their police helicopter program it's

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very expensive um but can we use do

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something differently and this is where

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we we come in with utilizing

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so with drones um probably I I would the

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dawn Redmond estimate I would say

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probably 85 to 90% of police agencies in

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the country have a drone program of some

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sort um and but the tripical typical use

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is um they put a drone in a police car

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in the trunk of a car um an officer is is certified to fly the ground call

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for service comes out maybe it's a

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burglary alarm at 2:00 in the morning at

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a business they get there this the

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business is secured um but they want to

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launch the Drone to check the rooftop to

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make sure that the person didn't make

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entry in in into the rooftop or maybe it

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was a foot pursuit now there's a

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perimeter set up can we launch the Drone

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for for safely to do that also indoor

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operations now we're able to fly a drone

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indoors and and communicate with people

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indoors for a safer um resolution that's

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the challenges with that though the

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police officer is flying the Drone so it

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really takes that officer off the

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streets because they're they're not

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flying to drones so this is um a case

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stud this is kind of what TR list is

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doing hopefully

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everybody wants deescalation it's not

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just a buzzword anymore it's become a

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part of our everyday vocabulary

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everybody wants it to be safer everybody

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wants everybody to survive and Live

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Another Day our drone as a first

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responder program is in my opinion the

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number one tool for deescalation that we

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have so for our party1 calls for service

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from the moment we receive the 911 call

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to the moment the Drone is overhead is

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about 2 and A2 minutes as the officers

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are responding to this call the drone's

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already been overhead for about 3

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minutes and the to operator has been

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relaying information to the responding

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officers in real time having a tool that

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gives us the ability to get to the scene

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as quickly as possible is critical

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because when you are able to provide

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your officers with realtime information

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they can make better informed decisions

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there's no other source of information

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you can give me that would be better

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than a live video feed on what you're

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about to walk into so in terms of

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deescalation it gives us a couple of

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extra moments to look at a situation and

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find out are they armed are they not

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armed do they need our help do they not

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and that's invaluable when that officer

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makes their final turn onto that call

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for service they have every bit of

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information that they need to be

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successful and resolve that situation in

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a calm and safe matter the last thing we

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want to have to do is use any level of

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Force if we can deescalate and we can

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use these drones to give our officers

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better information it just makes no

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sense not to use

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it so um so CH Vista one of the first

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things that we did at CH Vista and this

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what we're nimi at at Brink is doing a a

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transparency portal so if you go on the

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tra website um the police department

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website there's a dashboard that's

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updated every single day of the flights

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um that they I just uploaded this a

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couple of days ago they at um they're

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getting close to 18,000 flights U with

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their dfr program there's nobody in the

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world that flies Dr going to this and

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the interesting thing about this the

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this um the data that we're getting that

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we found is that almost 25% of the time

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when we launch the Drone we don't have

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to send ground units we have um the

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Drone is able to clear those calls for

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service so unfortunately for Chula Vista

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just give you an example we have um

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we're authorized 281 officers we can't

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very difficult to get past 250 so we're

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down 30 officers red um so using dfr as

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a force multiplier to clear out calls

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for service and I'll give you an example

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of this is um we had a 7-Eleven clerk

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called in said hey um I've got two it

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calls 911 says I've got two customers

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fist fting in a parking lot you send officers and unfortunately we

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didn't have any officers available the

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Drone launch gets overhead within a

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couple of minutes the Drone pilot says

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he looks he doesn't see anything he has

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the the clerk's phone number via CAD Wes

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up the phone calls and says J Police

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Department I'm an asent artisty I'm a

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drone pilot overhead um where's the

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fight and he relays the information that

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the the clerk comes out with cell phone

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looks waves to the Drone and he goes oh

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they just left he goes okay do you need

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our assistance he's like no thank you

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very much you know I appreciate you

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getting here so quickly and wasted the

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Drone and off we went so within a couple

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minutes we had that that that customer

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service that we were able to get there

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as opposed to maybe an hour later we

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would have driven by and not given them

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the service that they want um you know

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road hazards traffic um issues we're

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able to get the Drone out there

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immediately to evaluate our priorities

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on there and then to still provide that

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customer service with with our drone

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program and the important thing is to

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note that through the through the data

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we we've seen that the Drone gets there

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in half the time than the patrol

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officers um there the ground officers

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the officers um from the moment that we

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hit um launch it takes about 97 seconds

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for it to be on scene um which is is

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very quick um and in that um the

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fortunate thing is and this is a case

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study I don't know if you if you want to

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watch this it's about um 3 minutes long

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it's a a domestic violence there be some

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interest in seeing it yes okay let me

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cck on it make sure it

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works see if it

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so this was just a couple of months

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and and what you'll see a common them

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through some of these case studies is we

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didn't I want to report domestic

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violence and are you involved or are you

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witnessing this no okay what what

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happening um a male in a female and

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wanted the motorcycle and they just I

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don't know they're just going to hit

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other with a car or something I don't

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know you said trying to hit each other

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with a car yeah get with the motorcycle

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just

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s white

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sedan so

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we1

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on the white vehicle

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continuing so little backstory U

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boyfriend girlfriend girlfriend's in the

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car the boyfriend's on a stolen

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motorcycle she's upset he's

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Ryle she actually chases him through the

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city this point they go

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around s is pursuing

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motorcycle

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break right uh we need a un looks like

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the sedan is trying to Ram the motorcycl

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to pull in behind the

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business conf the

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alley in alley Street in a 415 31 can

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you start for the

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zo be white Hyundai alantra

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four like

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call so we didn't have no idea they had

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left

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Alleyway South alley 54 still

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415

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mcycle he is away from the

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bike

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she warns him not to get on the

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motorcycle he doesn't listen

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motorcyclist is back just R so

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we arrested them um we arrested both of

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them for um her for the domestic

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violence him for the stolen motorcycle

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what was interesting is the district

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attorney said that had he not had that

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drone video he would never have issued

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this case and when he did Issue the case

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both both of them played guilty didn't

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go to trial because they had the video

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it's hard for them to argue otherwise

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our district attorney loves having e Dr

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videos it really assist stem and

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prosecution other thing um for CH Vista

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understanding that in 2018 is where we

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started um we um try our our mandate at

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CH is to try to get you our Priority One

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responses within six minutes and our

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priority two within 12 minutes we

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weren't making it but over the years

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that we've implemented dfr we've um we

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dropped our response times we've

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improved them quite a bit um and really

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for the first time we've been able to

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meet our response times I haven't I

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haven't seen what 2023 is out yet uh

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this is for the last time so very very

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important on response times this one's a

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real short one another minute or so I

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want to be very respectful of your time

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um so this is an interesting call

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there's no there's no audio on this but

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it's a m only one call that comes into

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our Bayside I one call says hey there's

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a red vehicle parked in our parking lot

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in this parking lot lot and there's

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three subjects in there and are passing

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around a handgun inside this this

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vehicle this parking lot there's one way

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in one way out so the officers are able

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to watch this video on their in their

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police cars either via their NPCs or

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their cell phones so they don't make

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entry they let the Drone do its thing

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fortunately and in this day it's only

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one red vehicle in the parking lot so

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he's able to to zoom in he he Zooms in

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on the license plate gets the license

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plate and when he zooms out this is what

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he sees

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that's kind of an uh oh Factor right and

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now you can imagine your police police

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department your police officers rolling

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through the parking lot and seeing this

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we can imagine what a national tragedy

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would happen right under these types

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this type of a situation but fortunately

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we had our drone overhead the officers

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um could see what is happening in real

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time and so it was great now instead of

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the two officers maybe just driving

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through this parking lot and just kind

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of stumbling upon this vehic vehicle and

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this this female with the handgun they

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come in with a game plan they come in in

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force they know who's who's going to be

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the primary officer who's going to be

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the secondary officer who's going to

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have best people where's the canine

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going to be who's going to block the

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exits they know ahead of time what's

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going to happen and they take control of

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the situation to try and um resolve it

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peacefully so I always say it's a it's a

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great hot stop if you see all the hands

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coming out at the same time so it's you

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know you know they're they're following

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directions there's no doubt

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there so they take everybody out

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peacefully they search the vehicle and

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what do they find they find this

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handgun which is actually an Soft pistol

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so it's not a real gun she's 17 if you

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can imagine your officers getting into

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an an officer involves shooting on this

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situation how tragic that would be any

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shooting is a tragedy right but under

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this that way this was this was

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addressed peacefully so um this is the

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last one if you want to see this one you

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know it's it's up to you um this this is

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another one where this this subject it

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was a 91 qu he's waving around a handgun

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and it happens to be a lighter um if you

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want me to stop shirt

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okay

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the 911 call he overhead with a

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drum one and 12

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minutes

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seconds the subject sitting

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there so he's got this gun in his hand

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right and we actually have multiple

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calls what's also interesting is since

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the officers can see this also they see

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he's sitting on the bench and facing

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southbound so the offic know how to

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approach from the south so they have

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actually approached from behind him and

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they're actually parted in a in the

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business right behind him he doesn't

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know that they're there but they're

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watching this right they don't want to engage with him they

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don't want to have any have to use any

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force or anything he's not it's not an

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active shooter he's not threatening

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anybody even though we're getting

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multiple calls on this so they're just

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watching

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this you see him actually grab it and he

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kind of puts his hands up and says you

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know don't want any any any trouble here

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so when you see the true value of dfr

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and drone drone as the first responder

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here is what does he do here he just lit

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his cigarette with that gun right so now

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we're fairly confident that this this

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gun is a lighter and not a something

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else the officers make their approach

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there's no no guns drawn no forces used

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they take him into custody he had some

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on him and he he was arrested so pretty straightforward on that so where

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we're looking for applications is um at

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Brink we really want to bring drums

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first responder to to connected to

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really on a number of different things

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so when I say we we launch and I I talk

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in the Wii at youis we launch for all

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calls for service what we feel that the

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drums is is of value to the First

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Responders so you saw the domestic

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violence but we get those suspicious

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persons you know the person you get the

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91 call hey somebody's acting crazy on

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the corner there he's yelling at at cars

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driving by and we know what could happen

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the officers arrive they contact him

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maybe it escalates with the Drone we get

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overhead we see no crime is occurring

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he's not a danger to himself or others

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we don't have to even make contact right

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so it's not illegal to yell at cars

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those type of things so when you talk

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about deescalation what's the best

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deescalation tool when officers don't

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even need to contact the person traffic

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collisions we'll get overhead let our

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fire department also see the video when

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they're responding if you're trapped in

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a vehicle that's and the vehicle's

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leaking fuel you want the fire

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department to know that it's leaking

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Fuel and to hurry up and get there and

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have a game plan on there house fires

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we'll turn on the thermal camera um so

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the fire department can see where the

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hot spot is if your house is on fire you

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want the fire department to know

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immediately where they need to put the

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water on put

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your house out the fire out search and

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rescue missing kids um anybody who's you

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know that that type of thing will will

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do that also medical delivery we're um

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our payload that we're developing will

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be able to deliver aeds um Naran EpiPen

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you know maybe a flotation device I

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don't know how many Swift water rescues

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you do here in the in the in the area be able to to deliver a Halo on that

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where I really want to finish off is

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when we talk about dfr is it's not just

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for those high high dangerous situations

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this was an example of we get a 911 call

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of um the middle of the day of some kids

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gang members is what the call came out

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um and they were graffiting this

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Alleyway so what they were doing is they

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were putting their these stickers all

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down this Alleyway and they were

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graffiting them they were putting their

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gang monitors on there drone gets

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launched common thing here we didn't

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have any ground units available the

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Drone P gets overhead he actually sees

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them doing it um they're not stopping so

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he actually lowers the Drone down to

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about 100 feet so these kids can see the

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Drone that there's actually they're

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being watched the kids see the Drone

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they give a hand signal that they're

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number one right you know and and they

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continue doing what they're doing um and

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then they kind of realize that it's

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probably the police strugle and they all

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start fting well kids being kids what do

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they do they run together and so the

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Drone follows them they actually get

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tired they sat down right here and they

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waited for the police department to show

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up and arrest them so where we show the

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value is is we recognize that graffiti

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in the community is a high priority

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right graffiti and vandalism hity is

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very difficult for law enforcement with

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all the other um culer service that they

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had have have to handle this was a

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perfect example of why dfr was very

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beneficial at at that moment and so with

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our solution we could build out a

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transparency um dashboard for your

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community one of the biggest things I'll

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leave you with is this is the the flight

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Telemetry um in my three years of

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managing our dfr program um I had two

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complaints um both of them were similar

535
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a woman called me and she said hey why

536
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was your drone over my backyard watching

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me yesterday I said well I don't know

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where you live um can you log on to Tris

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do you have a computer she said yes I

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said log on to julus website she does

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I'm I'm kind of going through click here and I said you know this

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wasn't that one I said what time she

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said 2:00 and I said well at 1:50 we

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were in your area because it was a Solen

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vehicle the person bailed out and we

546
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:14,640
were looking for this person in

547
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,760
backyards who was running she's like oh

548
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,360
is that why the police officers were in

549
00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:20,320
my neighborhood I'm like yeah and she

550
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,240
could see why we were there her

551
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,840
temperature immediately went down she

552
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,159
understood why we were there and it

553
00:23:25,159 --> 00:23:27,279
changed her whole perception of why we

554
00:23:27,279 --> 00:23:30,559
were doing so with that um I'm happy to

555
00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:32,679
answer any questions that you might have

556
00:23:32,679 --> 00:23:34,679
um about the program thank you so much

557
00:23:34,679 --> 00:23:36,799
for that um presentation any questions

558
00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:39,550
or comments from Council

559
00:23:39,550 --> 00:23:40,720
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560
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,400
Members M yeah so this is really for the

561
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,279
CH so how would this impact response

562
00:23:47,279 --> 00:23:51,600
time for for offices

563
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,880
locally well we're looking to implement

564
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,960
it um you know once it's up and running

565
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,320
we're we're we're going to have to have

566
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,039
internal ation about what calls we're

567
00:23:59,039 --> 00:24:02,520
going to be sending it to but um when

568
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,200
fully deployed I think it's going to

569
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,080
increase our response time

570
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,320
significantly um as Don mentioned we're

571
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,520
going to be able to get technology above

572
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,880
a situation start collecting video

573
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,000
evidence right away it's going to help

574
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,640
with solving crimes Prosecuting crimes

575
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,279
holding people accountable um and and

576
00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:23,039
we're going to consider the Drone being

577
00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:26,679
there um a response time because because

578
00:24:26,679 --> 00:24:28,240
we are responding it even though

579
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,320
remotely we can then better communicate

580
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,399
with the officers on the scene you know

581
00:24:32,399 --> 00:24:33,919
whether they get there sooner or whether

582
00:24:33,919 --> 00:24:36,559
they have to go at all so you know I see

583
00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:38,240
you know it's not going to be on day one

584
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,120
we improve our response but I see very

585
00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:43,679
quick a very once deploy very rapidly

586
00:24:43,679 --> 00:24:46,840
our response times improving I don't

587
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,000
think it's going to take us five years

588
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,640
to see the Improvement that true Lista

589
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:54,029
did I think they did the hard work for

590
00:24:54,039 --> 00:24:56,760
us

591
00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,320
chair thank you may uh I have a few

592
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,039
questions so uh out of the 40 uh

593
00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:05,840
Countrywide um weather is is our

594
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,320
Northeast weather a deterrent in using

595
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,760
these drones efficiently so the drones

596
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,240
can be launched in in inclement weather

597
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,279
the challenge right now is with the FAA

598
00:25:16,279 --> 00:25:18,000
because um you have to have visual

599
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,159
Observer um meaning you have to be able

600
00:25:20,159 --> 00:25:22,559
to see the airspace a mile around the

601
00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:25,000
Drone so if you have a thick Cloud layer

602
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,399
that you don't have clear unobstructed

603
00:25:26,399 --> 00:25:29,720
views it it it limits your your flight

604
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,080
time so whether is it really a concern

605
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,159
for us right now do you anticipate as an

606
00:25:35,159 --> 00:25:38,360
industry ho for the FAA to um really in

607
00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:40,960
the next 12 to 18 months figure out a

608
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,120
clear path that we can no longer use

609
00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:45,120
visual observers on that and we would

610
00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:46,200
work with the police department to

611
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,000
implement that ni uh my second question

612
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,360
would be um I think you answered it um

613
00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:53,360
whether it detour crime once people know

614
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:55,320
that we're using that obviously we saw

615
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,120
that with the with the taggers there if

616
00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:00,640
I could use one just one little um story

617
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,120
uh U Santa Monica minut our drum program

618
00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:06,440
and there's some graffi on an Alleyway

619
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,840
and they took a picture and it said um

620
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,080
look up the police department has drones

621
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,279
right you know it was like the word get

622
00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:15,240
once the word gets out it

623
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,679
it's um this might go for chief so uh

624
00:26:18,679 --> 00:26:21,039
the Drone gets released um obviously the

625
00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:22,559
dispatcher the Drone sees there's

626
00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:25,480
nothing going on but still us here um in

627
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,399
the neighborhood are concerned would you

628
00:26:27,399 --> 00:26:31,120
find follow up um anyway absolutely I

629
00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:34,279
mean I I I would say that it's there's a

630
00:26:34,279 --> 00:26:36,520
twofold response is that we would be

631
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,679
there collecting that evidence we would

632
00:26:38,679 --> 00:26:39,840
properly communicate with the

633
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,640
complaintant person calling whether the

634
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,640
Drone response is sufficient speaking us

635
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:45,840
over the phone or whether they would

636
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,799
still want to see an officer setting

637
00:26:47,799 --> 00:26:49,399
that expectation it might be a lot

638
00:26:49,399 --> 00:26:52,679
before we get there and my last question

639
00:26:52,679 --> 00:26:56,760
so um if we know of um areas um where

640
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,360
there's been uh gunfire and things would

641
00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:03,679
we fly drones uh at random kind of in

642
00:27:03,679 --> 00:27:06,320
that area like U maybe

643
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,799
nighttime establishments or things where

644
00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:10,559
there's been previous problems or would

645
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:12,760
we wait for a 911 call before we

646
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,200
dispatch

647
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,679
a well for for right now my thought

648
00:27:16,679 --> 00:27:18,480
would be would be only to respond to

649
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,039
calls for service potentially we would

650
00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:24,200
look at Trends so such as if we saw a

651
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,679
spring of uh car laries or burglaries

652
00:27:27,679 --> 00:27:29,039
area we may

653
00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:32,000
proactively uh look at a certain time

654
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,520
frame that's that's that's that's

655
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,240
reflective of the information the data

656
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,679
that we have but we would not we don't

657
00:27:38,679 --> 00:27:40,919
have any ples to proactively control I

658
00:27:40,919 --> 00:27:43,240
do believe some neighborhood there's

659
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,320
subties that are doing that yeah there's

660
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:46,840
one agency Beverly Hills Police

661
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,120
Department they're patrolling with their

662
00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:50,840
drones um 7 days a week 10 hours a day

663
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,720
and I asked them directly and they said

664
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,519
I I know their Lieutenant he says Don

665
00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:56,640
our community is more worried about

666
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,120
their money than their private

667
00:27:58,120 --> 00:27:59,760
and that's bever Hills so it's a little

668
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,000
different right so um but to my

669
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,080
knowledge every other agency um this is

670
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,720
something that we would work with with Chief glipper and you know

671
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,399
developing um um policies as to why you

672
00:28:12,399 --> 00:28:15,240
know when you would utilize the it would

673
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,600
be something that the community would

674
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,600
have to ask for before we do that thank

675
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:25,640
you Mr caner to C um I just am wondering

676
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,919
um timeline wise I see that the contract

677
00:28:27,919 --> 00:28:30,159
the at least the estimate that we're um

678
00:28:30,159 --> 00:28:32,080
seeing tonight expires I think on the

679
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,159
31st of December um that that quote um

680
00:28:36,159 --> 00:28:40,080
so if approved um what's the timeline in

681
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,039
terms of training in terms of getting up

682
00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:46,679
and actually using um the drones the way

683
00:28:46,679 --> 00:28:49,120
you want to do that so so year one of

684
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,559
the contract is for us to procure the

685
00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:54,320
Tactical drones those are ones that we

686
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,919
would once we receive them we would

687
00:28:55,919 --> 00:28:57,760
start using them immediately and those

688
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,600
are for for emergency situations indoor

689
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:05,080
use and then the timeline on the the dfr

690
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,519
we would PR plan to use 2024 to start

691
00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:09,519
building up the program but we don't

692
00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:12,480
expect to actually have that dfr until

693
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,799
2025 late 2024 with with the potential

694
00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:20,159
to get it early in 24 but um we're

695
00:29:20,159 --> 00:29:22,880
really talking about a re a reality

696
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,320
deployment of early 2025 possibly end of

697
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,760
24 thank

698
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,760
you uh going with the mayor's Trend I

699
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,640
had a few questions myself um how many

700
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,120
instance kind of speaking towards the

701
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,760
capabilities of the Drone uh can the

702
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,880
Drone respond to before having to return

703
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,840
back to space that's a good question so

704
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,159
um our drone um solution we're looking

705
00:29:45,159 --> 00:29:48,799
at a 45 minute to 60 Minute um air time

706
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:51,000
on that um I I'm speaking from

707
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,919
experience at Jula Vista uh we had about

708
00:29:52,919 --> 00:29:56,120
a 30 minute flight time um for Jula

709
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,240
Vista typic Al a um when the Drone gets

710
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,600
overhead a incident will stabilize be

711
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,880
found in about 15 20 minutes to figure

712
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,080
out what what's happening so most of the

713
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,120
time the Drone was able to handle a

714
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,760
situation and return back to base where

715
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,200
we want the longer flight time is

716
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,000
because if it's handling one incident

717
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,000
and another incident happens it wants to

718
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,440
be able to we want to fly it over to

719
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,799
there without having to to land it so um

720
00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:23,279
we're we're estimating 45 to a 60 Minute

721
00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:26,120
flight time and then I'll follow up I

722
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,880
see the inv or the improved response

723
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,399
times does that reflect mastering of The

724
00:30:31,399 --> 00:30:32,799
Craft or does that reflect having

725
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:36,880
additional drones additional so uh 2020

726
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,399
I 2019 I added a second launch location

727
00:30:40,399 --> 00:30:44,039
um 20 end of 2020 to 2021 I I added two

728
00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:45,679
more launch locations for four launch

729
00:30:45,679 --> 00:30:48,799
locations Citywide so it um expanded for

730
00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:50,159
Citywide coverage and that's why it

731
00:30:50,159 --> 00:30:51,880
impacted because this is all of the

732
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,760
response times for the for the average

733
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,230
for the

734
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,000
Department yes um so Chief how many

735
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,159
drones do we plant to purchase two just

736
00:31:02,159 --> 00:31:04,919
two okay and um the person that would

737
00:31:04,919 --> 00:31:06,919
the people individuals that be um doing

738
00:31:06,919 --> 00:31:08,360
these would they be civilians or would

739
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,559
these only be sworn officers we're

740
00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:12,919
looking these civilians as the as The

741
00:31:12,919 --> 00:31:15,519
Operators of them for the Tactical ones

742
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:17,600
they would be officers for the for the

743
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,120
dfr working at civilians but that that

744
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,600
decision hasn't been made yet but that's where

745
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,320
we're and um so you've outlined a little

746
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:27,720
bit but can you kind of just go the

747
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,360
timeline of this and also

748
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,370
cost the

749
00:31:33,370 --> 00:31:37,629
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750
00:31:37,639 --> 00:31:38,890
U

751
00:31:38,890 --> 00:31:43,230
[Music]

752
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,000
the the uh contract that we're going to

753
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,240
be asking the council to allow us to

754
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,360
enter into is a six-year

755
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,399
contract and year one we have funding

756
00:31:53,399 --> 00:31:55,480
through our FEMA

757
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,200
Grant and that will cover cover um the

758
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,919
first year one payment with the

759
00:32:00,919 --> 00:32:02,320
exception of I think

760
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,440
$10,000 that we have within our budget

761
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:11,000
to cover that year two is when we will have the two dfr drone sites up

762
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,760
and running and that is the $880,000

763
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,440
p and then year three four five and six

764
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,039
it goes up to $130,000 a year and within

765
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:27,399
this six years every other year um Brank

766
00:32:27,399 --> 00:32:30,760
is going to uh provide us with the

767
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,880
updated equipment on each level of our

768
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,159
service whether it's the Tactical drones

769
00:32:36,159 --> 00:32:38,320
or the dfr

770
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,480
drones and they and they're also

771
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,720
providing us with a a warranty where if

772
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,960
anything happens to that mechanically or

773
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,600
accidental damage that they are replaced

774
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,279
or repair yes it's it's an allinclusive

775
00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:52,000
so there's no nickel Diamond if you need

776
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,360
more batteries more props an operator

777
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:55,919
does something to it it drops it in a

778
00:32:55,919 --> 00:32:58,240
pool or something we you get you get

779
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,559
another one there's no questions asked

780
00:32:59,559 --> 00:33:02,279
on that so

781
00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:05,960
set so so the first year is 49,000 or

782
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,600
50,000 50,000 and then that's that's

783
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,360
what Fe will pay and then the rest 0,000

784
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,559
comes come back to the city

785
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:18,840
yes any other question the

786
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,679
mayor just a call to C president

787
00:33:21,679 --> 00:33:24,799
warfield's question on response

788
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:27,519
times I believe it's going to improve

789
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:29,720
response times and also the quality of

790
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,840
response we had a lot of priority three

791
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,559
calls

792
00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:38,559
classify noise complaints like fireworks

793
00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:41,120
complaints we'll get noise complaints

794
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,039
that will come in and oh it's over in

795
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:47,360
the next block they're playing the music

796
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,320
too loud or they're setting Fireworks

797
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,960
off down at the corner or a block over

798
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,240
and so the dispat SC doesn't have an

799
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,799
exact location to send a police officer

800
00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:04,399
to and the reality is I've seen

801
00:34:04,399 --> 00:34:07,279
sometimes they get backed up 15 calls I

802
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:09,679
see as many as 30 calls backed up in the

803
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:12,520
queue with this it would allow us

804
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,040
to

805
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,879
deploy device validate the initial call

806
00:34:17,879 --> 00:34:19,800
and identify where the location is

807
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,480
sometimes with loud music we might be

808
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,599
able to avoid sending a car to the scene

809
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:27,760
you could look up a phone number

810
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,639
identify the residents just make the

811
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:33,440
call uh to them saying you've got a

812
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,000
complaint you got to turn your music now

813
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,000
uh the same thing with

814
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,919
fireworks we all know we get the

815
00:34:40,919 --> 00:34:45,520
complaints on those when they go off you

816
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:46,760
know people are smart enough they set

817
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,200
them off and then they run so the

818
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,280
fireworks are there and the kids say

819
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,599
it's kids a lot of times now it's adults

820
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:56,119
they have moved down the block into

821
00:34:56,119 --> 00:34:57,720
somebody else's back backyard or

822
00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:00,200
whatever and they set them off again so

823
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,320
it becomes more of a convoluted fact

824
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,119
pattern for the police to try and track

825
00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:09,200
down who is doing it and this Theory

826
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,800
will allow us quicker response the

827
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,680
ability to document what is happening

828
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,720
and then hopefully create a level of

829
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:18,760
deterrence so that we're not dealing

830
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,480
with some of these uh again priority

831
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,520
three calls now which affect the quality

832
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,359
of life and affect uh our overall

833
00:35:27,359 --> 00:35:29,440
Staffing to appropriately respond to

834
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,400
more serious

835
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,680
calls and to the mayor's point I think

836
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,119
what's happened and I have conversations

837
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:36,480
with Mr Cen part of the issues with

838
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,040
noise complaints is getting someone to

839
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,800
put forth the complaint or to go on

840
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,400
record U to to initiate that can you

841
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,200
speak to this this evidence being

842
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,079
permissible in court or has it been

843
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:47,960
applied in the framework that the may

844
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,599
have recommended with specifically with

845
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:51,520
noise complaint respons um noise

846
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:52,880
complaints so typically what we would do

847
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,480
is we would launch for it it's usually a

848
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,880
party complaint allow we would get the

849
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,040
drum overhead and then evaluate as to

850
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,720
the how large it is um to the mayor's

851
00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:06,240
point we have like identified what

852
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:10,000
residents and pilot just please turn the

853
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,280
music off or we're going to have to send

854
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,920
units and it's it's interesting a lot of

855
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,839
half the time Polie they'll say please

856
00:36:15,839 --> 00:36:17,520
send officers this part's gotten way out

857
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,599
of hand typ type of thing so we would

858
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:21,720
know even from that aspect of it to send

859
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:23,920
more officers to to Really handle it but

860
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,400
then we're like oh okay yeah not a

861
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,440
problem we'll turn it down thank you

862
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:27,960
very much was called and not

863
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,839
embarrassing us type of thing um as for

864
00:36:30,839 --> 00:36:33,319
the other question all of the the videos

865
00:36:33,319 --> 00:36:35,160
are uploaded and stored in digital

866
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,720
evidence um and so any case that gets

867
00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:39,280
issued to the case that's part of the

868
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:40,640
case where the diser attorney would

869
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,440
review it as like your body War camera

870
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,160
or

871
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,599
something any other questions Mr yeah

872
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:48,200
you you mentioned that this these drone

873
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,880
can be used in door U would we need a

874
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,599
special legislation to allow that zo me

875
00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:58,040
that to allow these drones or indor

876
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,440
so anytime um a drone is used indoors it

877
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,079
would have the police department would

878
00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:04,079
have to have the legal authority to be

879
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:05,960
inside there so if an officer was not

880
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,000
legally so um typically where you're

881
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,520
seeing is is like a um a tactical

882
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,119
situation a barricaded subject or

883
00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:14,319
something um I can't speak for the chief

884
00:37:14,319 --> 00:37:15,920
but I know at our agency we would get a

885
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,560
search warrant um and then we would have

886
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,040
that warrant or under certain

887
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,800
circumstances we can send the Drone in

888
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,119
but you couldn't just send the Drone in

889
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:24,440
if the police department had no right to

890
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:25,599
be

891
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:27,680
there

892
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,520
points out most times you would have to

893
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,040
get warrant or permission there would be

894
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,440
exent circumstances where it's uh

895
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,400
somebody's life is in immediate danger

896
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,520
where access could

897
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,920
be gained and again most of those are

898
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,119
going to be highrisk situations so

899
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:49,119
you're not going to put a police officer

900
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:52,480
in there and put the device in with the

901
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,440
intent of creating an atmosphere that's

902
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,160
going to have to stabilize it as opposed

903
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,720
to again something that might escalate

904
00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:03,400
it or require the use of some level of

905
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,000
physical

906
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:10,400
Force M Mr oh Mr yeah so thank you for

907
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,400
this demonstration as I'm looking at

908
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,440
this um you know I can't help but think

909
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:15,880
back of things that have happened in the

910
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,040
community you know such as like you know

911
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,920
kids going missing things like that

912
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,240
where this would be you know I'm sure

913
00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:25,119
that this would have been a huge help to

914
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:30,839
our First Responders um um and and so I think the applications for this even

915
00:38:30,839 --> 00:38:33,079
are far beyond what you probably even

916
00:38:33,079 --> 00:38:35,800
were able to demonstrate um or with the

917
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,119
brief presentation

918
00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:41,240
um with that said we're all always going

919
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:43,000
to have to balance the tensions of

920
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:47,960
safety and privacy and so I I I guess my

921
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,240
question would be I have a few questions

922
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:52,480
but the first one would be I'm

923
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,520
like what type of uh uh for lack of

924
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:01,800
better term um review process around um

925
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,920
Effectiveness or Community impact or

926
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,560
like um you know I guess with new

927
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,520
technology we have to start asking new

928
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,560
questions so I was wondering like what

929
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,240
are like some of those things that we

930
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:14,880
probably looking to implement from our

931
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,520
procedural standpoint to ensure that um

932
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,040
this is you know giving the best benefit

933
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,119
to the community and not adversely

934
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:30,240
affecting a up we did yeah yeah sure um privacy absolutely uh we met

935
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:31,880
with the ACLU and we started our program

936
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,800
actually J Stanley who's um with the AC

937
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,400
I had dinner with him a month ago in in

938
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,040
Seattle talking about VF and everything

939
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,640
um so the idea of um very respectful

940
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,280
privacy obviously you know we don't want

941
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,359
those drones so um launching the Drone

942
00:39:48,359 --> 00:39:50,680
there's two trains of thoughts you know

943
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,720
um do we record all the time or do you

944
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:54,839
only record under certain circumstances

945
00:39:54,839 --> 00:39:56,839
for me personally I say we record all

946
00:39:56,839 --> 00:39:59,000
the time because I want that review if

947
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,599
there is a complaint I want to make sure

948
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:02,319
that it's being utilized properly if I

949
00:40:02,319 --> 00:40:04,240
don't have that video on so how we do

950
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:06,720
that is we launch the Drone um typically

951
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:08,319
you launch the Drone you know the where

952
00:40:08,319 --> 00:40:09,839
the location is you're already zooming

953
00:40:09,839 --> 00:40:11,520
in you're focused on that area that

954
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,720
you're attending to once you handle that

955
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:15,960
situation and we return to home the

956
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,720
Drone video the camera automatically

957
00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:20,200
goes horizontal so when it's returning

958
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,520
it's not inadvertently follow looking at

959
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,319
the ground looking at people's backyards

960
00:40:24,319 --> 00:40:25,599
it's just looking straight ahead into

961
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:28,119
the sky it's also safety issue that the

962
00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:30,520
other hazards that are out there um

963
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:31,960
having that public transparency

964
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,599
dashboard is also a situation that if a

965
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:37,480
um a Community member was concerned

966
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,359
about the Drone being used wrong you

967
00:40:40,359 --> 00:40:42,640
know against what the community wishes

968
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,440
they can go on the website and see why

969
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,880
the Drone was launched what was the call

970
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,800
for service and the Telemetry of that

971
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,599
drone at that point or we've been

972
00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:53,200
working into um having the the the

973
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,000
camera where you could see where the

974
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,319
camera was pointed wallet was flying so

975
00:40:57,319 --> 00:40:59,920
you have that even additional we don't

976
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,240
want to upload videos because then it's

977
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:04,280
I feel like we could potentially violate

978
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:05,880
people's privacy we actually look the

979
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,359
videos go up there so we don't want to

980
00:41:07,359 --> 00:41:10,040
do that I don't know if that answer your

981
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,280
question and on our end we've already

982
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:13,720
started uh attending neighborhood

983
00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:15,560
association meetings asking the

984
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,680
community their thoughts on it we've

985
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,480
also started that uh conversation with

986
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,599
the New York civil Li Li to assist us

987
00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:25,040
with creating our policy um so that

988
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,839
meets their standards and their approve

989
00:41:26,839 --> 00:41:30,480
of it um so that we want we want we look

990
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,240
at them as the threshold of of

991
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:34,319
acceptance and if it's okay with them we

992
00:41:34,319 --> 00:41:36,640
feel it should be uh acceptable to the

993
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,359
community and we want to be open and

994
00:41:38,359 --> 00:41:40,640
transparent with the process that where

995
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,720
we get to on that I guess

996
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:46,920
uh followup question would be to that

997
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,720
same point but you know will we you know

998
00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:52,319
maybe consider I know we have our police

999
00:41:52,319 --> 00:41:55,640
Community review board um but mainly um

1000
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,560
I don't know if there if there's even a

1001
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,520
subcommittee or something I just think

1002
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,000
that when we're talking about uh

1003
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,200
technology this great which I'm really

1004
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:07,920
you know quite honestly I'm suppor of

1005
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,440
this um but I really want to make sure

1006
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,240
that we're uh really intentional around

1007
00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:17,880
what a review process could look like so

1008
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,839
you know maybe a subcommittee of the

1009
00:42:20,839 --> 00:42:24,040
police uh review board or maybe even a

1010
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,880
another committee made up of people um

1011
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,839
in the community with law enforcement

1012
00:42:28,839 --> 00:42:31,280
because we so much working together you

1013
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,400
know kind of hiding in that direction

1014
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,559
anyway uh to kind of just review uh you

1015
00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:41,280
know the effectiveness and you know

1016
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,599
just good things and maybe some of the

1017
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:45,960
negative things um that have going on so

1018
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,440
I just don't know if you would be open

1019
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,599
to something like that Chief I would be

1020
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:52,000
you know the U the review of the video

1021
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,800
would have to be non evidentiary but

1022
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,720
certainly um I seen reason why that

1023
00:42:56,720 --> 00:42:58,440
would be a

1024
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,119
problem any other questions come just um

1025
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:03,160
I think to that point also that um I

1026
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,640
think I saw in the materials that um

1027
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,559
part of the contract is also um bring

1028
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:11,920
assisting Us in terms of um helping to

1029
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,599
educate and involve the community and um

1030
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:18,559
help the community understand um the the

1031
00:43:18,559 --> 00:43:20,240
practice I just have one other small

1032
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:22,240
question which is have you spoken at all

1033
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:25,440
with our um da to you know get a sense

1034
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,440
of the extent to which um we'd be able

1035
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,040
to use I mean obviously we can use it

1036
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,520
but I mean is there um what's the word

1037
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,640
I'm looking for like acceptance

1038
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:40,119
or um is is our court system would they

1039
00:43:40,119 --> 00:43:42,839
be likely to to want to be able to use

1040
00:43:42,839 --> 00:43:45,400
this I saw obviously looked like it was

1041
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,280
used successfully in many times but I

1042
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:49,839
can't I can't speak for for your

1043
00:43:49,839 --> 00:43:52,119
jurisdiction I know in in California

1044
00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:53,800
it's it's digital evidence it's just

1045
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,640
like body warn camera it's it's

1046
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,720
submitted that the district use that

1047
00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:00,880
just like any other digital gotcha okay

1048
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,359
thank you any other questions or

1049
00:44:03,359 --> 00:44:06,079
comments just generic comments chair

1050
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:07,920
people have to remember talk about one

1051
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,480
item here but this is to integrate it

1052
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,079
within the other sensors that we have

1053
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:15,559
deployed whether it's body working

1054
00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:19,839
cameras in car video uh Optical sensors

1055
00:44:19,839 --> 00:44:25,000
on like post uh other devices

1056
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,480
so looked at the law enforcement

1057
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,960
component there's other aspects of just

1058
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,319
managing and delivering public services

1059
00:44:32,319 --> 00:44:35,160
that uh as we look at things are going

1060
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,200
to become apparent and we're going to be

1061
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,520
able to get better value for the

1062
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,119
residents in terms of the overall

1063
00:44:42,119 --> 00:44:43,640
delivery of

1064
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,839
services well actually that's kind of my

1065
00:44:45,839 --> 00:44:47,680
question I wanted to know how this

1066
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,200
interacts with you know we have axon

1067
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:51,720
with body cameras and all that goes with

1068
00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:54,040
it in Kardash we're talking about Patrol

1069
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,280
finder so I was just wondering how this

1070
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,920
all intersects and works together um

1071
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,000
because they come they seem like they're

1072
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,160
different platforms they come from

1073
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,319
different organizations and agenes so

1074
00:45:03,319 --> 00:45:06,319
how do we how do we here in conect have

1075
00:45:06,319 --> 00:45:08,680
this all working together that's a good

1076
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,119
question and we thought about that I

1077
00:45:10,119 --> 00:45:11,960
don't really have a specific answer to

1078
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:17,280
give you but I could see a day where they all they are they all work

1079
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,319
together um where potentially um you

1080
00:45:21,319 --> 00:45:22,720
there's there's

1081
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:26,160
uh things that are on patrol finder we

1082
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,400
want to follow up on and instead of

1083
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:29,720
having an officer do that we have a

1084
00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:32,680
drone do it let's say that there was a a

1085
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,680
burglary at 3:00 in the morning at your

1086
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,200
home and and you ask for extra attention

1087
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,160
so we we put that drone out there with

1088
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,440
the Drone operator saying okay there's

1089
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:42,960
six houses I said we're going to give

1090
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,200
extra attention to so we're going to

1091
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,520
send them out their proac give extra

1092
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:47,880
attention to that's just kind of what I

1093
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,400
see where we could go with this um you

1094
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,400
know I think the the possibilities are

1095
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,400
endless as far as where they interact

1096
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,480
with ACC on we would we still have the

1097
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,760
evidence.com platform for cloud-based

1098
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,640
storage so any evidence that we would

1099
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,559
collect through these would be put into

1100
00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:07,720
that to store our evidence um and then

1101
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:10,720
anything that um was not evidentiary

1102
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:13,200
retaining for a certain period 30 or 90

1103
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:18,359
days be deleted thank you Mr yeah just a

1104
00:46:18,359 --> 00:46:20,599
question um have you experienc any

1105
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:22,119
vandalism

1106
00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:25,280
using these drones using drones um it's

1107
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,359
funny um indoor yes we've um we've known

1108
00:46:29,359 --> 00:46:31,480
we've had a couple of our indoor drones

1109
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,599
um in one was in Las Vegas um it was a

1110
00:46:34,599 --> 00:46:35,920
arrest warrant to go arrest somebody and

1111
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,720
they shot the Drone in in their in the

1112
00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:39,440
residence to my knowledge there's only

1113
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,680
been one documented incident of a drone

1114
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,079
actually being shot out of the sky which

1115
00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:45,040
was in Florida um and that person was

1116
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,559
prosecuted for federal crimes CU

1117
00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:49,960
shooting aircraft on it um at for Vista

1118
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,040
would it never has happened we had

1119
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:53,599
people we had somebody who kept trying

1120
00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:58,319
to throw oranges at it um um but they couldn't couldn't reach to it so um

1121
00:46:58,319 --> 00:46:59,599
but if somebody shoots a drone out of

1122
00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:01,960
the sky um that's that's something law

1123
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,280
enforcement we want to know if they're

1124
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,680
willing to fire a weapon the air that's

1125
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,440
something that we it's definitely we'

1126
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,040
love to

1127
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,280
investigate Mr so uh this question goes

1128
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:14,760
back to like some of the training like

1129
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,960
so what is kind of the training to I

1130
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,240
know you said that um for the

1131
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:20,040
non-tactical drones we're talking about

1132
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,119
using civilians um so like what could

1133
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:24,559
you give us an idea of what like that

1134
00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:26,400
training program looks like and is

1135
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,440
something that you maybe be looking to

1136
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,079
partner with like

1137
00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:34,319
our maybe local uh community colleges is

1138
00:47:34,319 --> 00:47:36,520
it is it different from because I know

1139
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,280
that there's some drone drone training

1140
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,280
programs that are existing so I guess

1141
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,240
the more clear way to ask that question

1142
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:43,880
is tell us a little bit what the

1143
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,559
training looks like and is this

1144
00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:47,200
something for at least the non-tactical

1145
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,960
drones is this something that you know

1146
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,240
the existing drone uh training would

1147
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:56,720
suffice I give my answer and then I'll

1148
00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:57,839
turn it over to Don for what the

1149
00:47:57,839 --> 00:48:00,280
training looks like but I I can I can

1150
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,400
definitely see us wanting to partner

1151
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,920
withy Community College or any college

1152
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,680
that offers a criminal justice program

1153
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,920
and an aviation program because what

1154
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:13,440
we're seeing is a lot of students that want to be working in the criminal

1155
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:14,599
justice field but they don't want to be

1156
00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:16,800
police officers they want to be analysts

1157
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,640
or something else behind the scenes and

1158
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,920
this could be a perfect Avenue for that

1159
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:22,800
is to get that training criminal justice

1160
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,800
but then also Lear learn fly a drone

1161
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,000
part of that solution as a civilian as

1162
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,640
far as the training goes there's a lot

1163
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,800
to learn and I can tell you what that is

1164
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,119
yeah and um one of our launch locations

1165
00:48:34,119 --> 00:48:36,400
with our community college and they have

1166
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,880
a drone class and every semester they

1167
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,680
come through our department and they sit

1168
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,359
along with the Drone Pilots to learn

1169
00:48:42,359 --> 00:48:44,920
about the the drum technology so that

1170
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,000
thing as for the training um it the

1171
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,240
training is is really on how to launch

1172
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:52,280
the Drone via the computer and some

1173
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,240
different information as to like you

1174
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:55,760
know how to how to handle the Drone

1175
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:56,880
because it's a different way it's

1176
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,559
basically a keyboard you're flying it

1177
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:01,319
via keyboard and a mouse on that and

1178
00:49:01,319 --> 00:49:04,079
then how to how to um the the base

1179
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:06,240
station how to maintain the base station

1180
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:08,119
all of the training is included we would

1181
00:49:08,119 --> 00:49:10,880
provide all the training um you know for

1182
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,880
safe use for the job like what have the

1183
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,040
time like from start to finish you know

1184
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:17,880
I anticipate about a week to get

1185
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,960
somebody truly where we would be sitting

1186
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,720
with somebody to to findly they'll pick

1187
00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:24,200
it up the first day it's it's not that

1188
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:25,839
difficult you know you just if any of

1189
00:49:25,839 --> 00:49:27,359
these officers are Gamers where they use

1190
00:49:27,359 --> 00:49:29,319
the keyboard to play video games it's

1191
00:49:29,319 --> 00:49:30,240
really the same thing they're just

1192
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:32,400
playing a real drone from from a

1193
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,040
distance so um but the the things is to

1194
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,240
understand is to get them comfortable in

1195
00:49:37,240 --> 00:49:39,920
flying the drones and turning the gimbal

1196
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,799
cam it's hard if you're it's easy if

1197
00:49:41,799 --> 00:49:42,799
you're just looking at something and

1198
00:49:42,799 --> 00:49:44,440
it's not moving but if it's a vehicle

1199
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,240
driving it just takes a little bit of

1200
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:49,559
time to really get comfortable with

1201
00:49:49,559 --> 00:49:53,319
it thank you yes so Chief based on so

1202
00:49:53,319 --> 00:49:55,559
let me for both of you based on on the

1203
00:49:55,559 --> 00:49:57,040
population is that how you determine the

1204
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,240
number of drones because two do we have

1205
00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:01,720
a drones right now and we have one we

1206
00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:03,400
have we have drones that we deploy out

1207
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,119
of Dr okay so so two based on our

1208
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:09,880
population is in your mind sufficient

1209
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,520
and this two will be through the life of

1210
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,240
this grant there won't be any increase

1211
00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:15,079
in the number that we get over the six

1212
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:18,640
years uh for the contract is just two um

1213
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,280
I actually thought three but then when

1214
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,440
Don came here he felt that with our line

1215
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,119
of sight and and the size of our

1216
00:50:24,119 --> 00:50:26,040
jurisdiction we could we could make it

1217
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,119
make do with too yeah and where we would

1218
00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:31,079
really we I don't know if we we said

1219
00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:32,920
this at the beginning but we want to be

1220
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,680
partners with SKC it isn't for us to to

1221
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,160
look at SKC as a customer we want to be

1222
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,760
true Partners to build their program out

1223
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,079
to be a ro robust which helps us to go

1224
00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:45,680
to market with this right so where we

1225
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,000
would look at it and this is what I did

1226
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,160
at CH Vista is I started with one launch

1227
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,040
location figured out where would be a

1228
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,880
second good La launch location get data

1229
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,880
to show the value like okay where are my

1230
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,680
calls for service where's the heat map

1231
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,079
could a third fourth fifth location

1232
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:02,200
really benefit the community and that's

1233
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,160
how we developed it so where we would

1234
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,359
work with SK is to to show the return

1235
00:51:06,359 --> 00:51:09,520
and value on this and you may get to a

1236
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,079
point where like we we we like having

1237
00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:13,599
two but we feel like a third one would

1238
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:15,240
be even better because those two are

1239
00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:17,319
utilized so often we could use a third

1240
00:51:17,319 --> 00:51:19,520
one th those are some things that we

1241
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,920
would we call it a crawl walk run right

1242
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,000
let's let's start show the value of it

1243
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,599
and then you you as a Community say or

1244
00:51:26,599 --> 00:51:28,960
not you need additional launch

1245
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,720
locations and then then I think in kind

1246
00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:33,520
with that comment and I appreciate your

1247
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,119
training or your um uh presentation for

1248
00:51:36,119 --> 00:51:38,599
identifying it everybody imagine would

1249
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:40,400
prefer a helicopter however there are

1250
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,200
Financial limitations to that similar to

1251
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,839
our budget uh as a whole and I don't

1252
00:51:44,839 --> 00:51:46,160
think it's a coincidence that we're

1253
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:47,599
going to have a budget conversation

1254
00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:49,960
thereafter uh unfortunately that still

1255
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,880
going on um but uh with respect to this

1256
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,480
I truly want to commend you uh chief uh

1257
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,200
in kind to similar Chief Marino's U

1258
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,079
intentions with trying to look at the

1259
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:01,880
limitations of our current Staffing and

1260
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:03,760
how do we apply technology in a way

1261
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,079
where IT addresses uh where our city is

1262
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:08,119
and definitely response times as you red

1263
00:52:08,119 --> 00:52:10,559
to Mr M comments are an issue then how

1264
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:12,319
do we respond to those uh unique

1265
00:52:12,319 --> 00:52:14,200
circumstances specifically around our R

1266
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:15,680
complaints so that we aren't just

1267
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,040
telling the community for prioritizing

1268
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,119
calls but looking at putting in place

1269
00:52:20,119 --> 00:52:26,440
actual U measures to to help lower that that threshold of extended response

1270
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,319
times so I don't know if you reached out

1271
00:52:29,319 --> 00:52:31,400
and looked for this resource with that

1272
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,319
thinking in mind but regardless I

1273
00:52:33,319 --> 00:52:34,760
definitely wanted to say thank you and

1274
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,520
I'm looking forward to where this

1275
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,920
conversation goes um with that being

1276
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,520
said Miss Patrick highlighted that uh

1277
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,720
deadline of December 31st I know from

1278
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:46,480
myself I thought this was a presentation

1279
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,040
so are we have a you need an answer from

1280
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,880
the council and then miss P respond to

1281
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,480
yeah uh so as as you call if I could um

1282
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:56,960
this was going the chief was going to

1283
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,720
bring this up two weeks ago and at that

1284
00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:01,520
time he also provided us with the all

1285
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,640
the information so and during that

1286
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,680
discuss the chief asked to remove it

1287
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,319
from the agenda so we could have um

1288
00:53:08,319 --> 00:53:10,760
someone here from CH Vista but we also

1289
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,440
have that two weeks to review all the

1290
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,680
information so I'm assuming everyone did

1291
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,480
that so at this point in time you are

1292
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,000
asking for us to to uh take action on

1293
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,720
this in order to get the contract signed

1294
00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:23,319
in time is that correct that's correct

1295
00:53:23,319 --> 00:53:26,000
okay so I'm happy to move that that um

1296
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,760
I'm happy to move

1297
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,599
the apologize just one quick comment and

1298
00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:33,119
follow to Mr Farley

1299
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:36,280
in careers and job opportunities with

1300
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,200
this you New York State Governor hok who

1301
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,119
put money in the old griffus Air Force

1302
00:53:42,119 --> 00:53:45,280
Base outside of Rome where that is

1303
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,599
becoming a Statewide and I should say

1304
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:51,599
nationally internationally recognized

1305
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:54,160
Center of Excellence for drone

1306
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,240
technology and so

1307
00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:58,319
we're doing a

1308
00:53:58,319 --> 00:54:00,880
small project here that

1309
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,799
will in theory complement some of the

1310
00:54:03,799 --> 00:54:06,040
development that's happening there but

1311
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,280
and we're looking the Staffing one drone

1312
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:09,920
but these are really career

1313
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:14,880
opportunities that are emerging in like

1314
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,200
a field that people never thought of

1315
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,160
before and so yes we're taking some of

1316
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,240
the baby steps here but uh you know just

1317
00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:26,119
down the road there's a center of

1318
00:54:26,119 --> 00:54:28,680
excellence in uh we have to look at our

1319
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,440
community college other educational

1320
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,640
opportunities and even kids in high

1321
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,240
school to make them aware of these

1322
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:37,680
scenarios and possibilities for

1323
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,280
opportunities as they become

1324
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,000
adults thank you Mr Mayor so there are

1325
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,319
any further questions or comments uh

1326
00:54:45,319 --> 00:54:47,599
there's motion on the floor I second all

1327
00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:48,760
those in

1328
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,559
favor thank you thank you thank you very

1329
00:54:51,559 --> 00:54:54,440
much any other it follow Public Safety

1330
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,170
hearing on have motion to so move

1331
00:54:57,170 --> 00:54:59,520
[Music]

1332
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,839
second thank you I'd like to call the

1333
00:55:01,839 --> 00:55:04,000
finance committee to order the first

1334
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:08,520
item is ly firefighter Foundation Grant

1335
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:21,870
Chief

1336
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,000
Marino

1337
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:28,950
everybody we can't do

1338
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:33,079
that um so in

1339
00:55:33,079 --> 00:55:34,960
2012 uh

1340
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,359
Governor excuse me passed in the law

1341
00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:40,319
that every fire department that has

1342
00:55:40,319 --> 00:55:42,960
elevation in their jurisdiction would

1343
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,880
provide their members a descending

1344
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,559
device of some sort either a device or

1345
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:51,160
ropes whatever they s that and they

1346
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,640
would uh give them give their members a

1347
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,680
training to operate what

1348
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:00,039
2014 we purchased

1349
00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:03,599
43 uh what was called dat it was a day

1350
00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:06,039
descending

1351
00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:09,720
device top top of the line back then uh

1352
00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:11,799
you could do a lot of a lot of nice

1353
00:56:11,799 --> 00:56:14,160
things uh with your firefighters with

1354
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,559
civilians getting people out of

1355
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:17,520
heightened

1356
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,799
areas that D system that we own now is

1357
00:56:20,799 --> 00:56:24,440
approaching 10 years old still works um

1358
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,760
but it's it's kind of out of favor in

1359
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,680
the fire service now for a few reasons

1360
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:34,079
it's buy uh maintenance is expensive and

1361
00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:38,960
whatnot so we want to move to a more

1362
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,640
convenient more efficient a more

1363
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,480
practical device and we're looking at

1364
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,359
something called a a a petzel I want to

1365
00:56:48,359 --> 00:56:52,079
say pretzel a petel it's a a fraction of

1366
00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:55,839
the size and it it uh very efficient and

1367
00:56:55,839 --> 00:56:58,039
it does what we need to

1368
00:56:58,039 --> 00:57:02,200
do so uh we had some money from our

1369
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,359
radio FEMA cran that we're going to use

1370
00:57:05,359 --> 00:57:12,000
to purchase devices to um to replace the

1371
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,799
DAT right now the dat we have one per

1372
00:57:14,799 --> 00:57:16,799
position not one per person one per

1373
00:57:16,799 --> 00:57:20,240
position on our rigs so with this extra

1374
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,599
money we're going to purchase devices to

1375
00:57:22,599 --> 00:57:26,280
replace that in the meantime we applied

1376
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,440
to the Larry

1377
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,559
foundation and we were awarded a grant

1378
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:33,760
for

1379
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:39,319
25,000 and whatever $245 52 and that

1380
00:57:39,319 --> 00:57:41,760
amount would allow us to purchase enough

1381
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,880
devices so each member of the department

1382
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,359
would receive one instead of one per

1383
00:57:48,359 --> 00:57:50,319
position that be one

1384
00:57:50,319 --> 00:57:52,799
p which to me is very important because

1385
00:57:52,799 --> 00:57:55,119
that's a safety device I feel lot more

1386
00:57:55,119 --> 00:57:58,359
comfortable than it's mine and it's not

1387
00:57:58,359 --> 00:58:00,079
Jimmy lier down the road I don't know

1388
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:02,760
how he what he does with it and when I

1389
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,760
get it you know I feel more comfortable

1390
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,200
it's fine so it it's a safety issue so

1391
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,960
from the Larry Foundation $4,5 152 we're

1392
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,599
going to purchase 44 units the great

1393
00:58:14,599 --> 00:58:19,000
thing is there's no um City commitment

1394
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,599
there's no matching points it's just

1395
00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:25,119
here you go do what you got to do thank

1396
00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:26,920
you very much

1397
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:30,720
so that's what I got question go ahead

1398
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,400
please uh thank Mr chairman when we

1399
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,960
purchased these devices originally in

1400
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,599
what

1401
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:40,920
2014 uh made available to the council we

1402
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:42,640
did a demonstration was the first time

1403
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,520
we had him into the fire tower and

1404
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,480
offered and the city council members who

1405
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,400
wanted at that time put one on and jump

1406
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,680
out of the four story we would do it I

1407
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,039
would make that available to council if

1408
00:58:54,039 --> 00:58:55,480
you want

1409
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,640
go up and test one of the

1410
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,960
devices I'll go out

1411
00:58:59,960 --> 00:59:03,200
first we're not allowing that no I don't

1412
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,839
know any other questions I'll move it

1413
00:59:06,839 --> 00:59:12,280
second second all in favor I thank you thank you thank you J the next

1414
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,359
item is amend the city city code section

1415
00:59:15,359 --> 00:59:19,319
2341 to modify the annual income among

1416
00:59:19,319 --> 00:59:21,039
for the tax exempt we had a public

1417
00:59:21,039 --> 00:59:23,640
hearing on December

1418
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,599
11th

1419
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:27,359
and I'm going to hand this over to the

1420
00:59:27,359 --> 00:59:31,079
sponsor for this um change legislation

1421
00:59:31,079 --> 00:59:38,750
change Mr

1422
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:44,280
Williams Oh for the U tax exemption yes

1423
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,079
uh would say any other further updates I

1424
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:47,920
think I was very pleased to to hear the

1425
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,160
full support from the council um

1426
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,400
although we didn't have an overwhelming

1427
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,280
response from the community uh I had the

1428
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,400
council meeting uh I myself received a

1429
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,319
few followup messages from some

1430
00:59:58,319 --> 00:59:59,640
residents saying that they were

1431
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:00,880
definitely pleased to hear that we were

1432
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,559
taking action um I think taking into

1433
01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:06,160
consideration also the comments from on

1434
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:07,880
the table I wanted to make sure we

1435
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,000
weren't doing so at the expense of that

1436
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,480
Revenue stream uh I think increasing it

1437
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,119
based on Miss neoy I think it's

1438
01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:17,319
important to take those gradual steps

1439
01:00:17,319 --> 01:00:19,480
and then as we all stated we just um

1440
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:20,960
look forward to evaluating that

1441
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,039
information and if we see so uh needed

1442
01:00:24,039 --> 01:00:26,799
to increase further we will although I'm

1443
01:00:26,799 --> 01:00:30,319
hope it's not

1444
01:00:30,319 --> 01:00:32,480
required any other

1445
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,760
comments so may have a motion to V

1446
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:37,520
this

1447
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:41,750
do all in

1448
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,640
favor all in

1449
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:47,480
favor wait I'm sorry um I don't think we

1450
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,799
have a piece of paper in terms of what

1451
01:00:49,799 --> 01:00:53,520
we're I mean do we have the um yeah it's

1452
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:58,109
is it I am I missing it

1453
01:00:58,119 --> 01:01:00,520
leg is anybody not seeing it or is it

1454
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:05,079
just me it's not CU I I know obviously I

1455
01:01:05,079 --> 01:01:06,720
think we all did come to agreement but I

1456
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,480
just want to refresher on the amount of

1457
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:09,960
money that we're raising it you know

1458
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:13,559
that kind so miss

1459
01:01:13,559 --> 01:01:18,799
uh m m said she go and print it

1460
01:01:18,799 --> 01:01:21,400
okay yeah we did have it before heing

1461
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:22,640
all the

1462
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:27,069
Dr I know I just

1463
01:01:27,079 --> 01:01:32,799
public just so we're clear on the number that we're talking about okay

1464
01:01:32,799 --> 01:01:35,920
right I mean absolutely

1465
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:43,970
no she needs any

1466
01:01:43,980 --> 01:01:45,799
[Music]

1467
01:01:45,799 --> 01:01:50,079
help sometimes I don't know if just not

1468
01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:53,440
see a few things I

1469
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:57,470
asked

1470
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:23,349
something

1471
01:02:23,359 --> 01:02:42,310
go

1472
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:53,349
[Music]

1473
01:02:53,359 --> 01:03:23,269
for

1474
01:03:23,279 --> 01:03:26,460
ass

1475
01:03:26,470 --> 01:03:53,269
[Music]

1476
01:03:53,279 --> 01:04:16,680
that's

1477
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:40,490
impressive

1478
01:04:40,500 --> 01:04:46,870
[Music]

1479
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:53,150
that

1480
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:57,230
and

1481
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:23,069
it's

1482
01:05:23,079 --> 01:05:50,390
amazing

1483
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,000
yes

1484
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:58,349
me going out two

1485
01:05:58,359 --> 01:06:17,820
houses said sawday he

1486
01:06:17,830 --> 01:06:23,000
[Music]

1487
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:40,150
said

1488
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:52,990
next the

1489
01:06:53,000 --> 01:07:16,410
mar

1490
01:07:16,420 --> 01:07:22,910
[Music]

1491
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:37,090
you

1492
01:07:37,100 --> 01:07:52,910
[Music]

1493
01:07:52,920 --> 01:08:11,150
for

1494
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:12,599
the should

1495
01:08:12,599 --> 01:08:22,829
be should be

1496
01:08:22,839 --> 01:08:35,349
Tuesday

1497
01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:37,080
the changes that are Incorporated in

1498
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:39,600
here um there are other changes that

1499
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,920
were made uh for the purpose of

1500
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:45,679
consistency with the state legislation

1501
01:08:45,679 --> 01:08:49,719
um section 467 um we had left out tax in

1502
01:08:49,719 --> 01:08:52,520
the code that's why I got added uh and

1503
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,199
then the there update since the city

1504
01:08:55,199 --> 01:08:57,400
council last changed this section of the

1505
01:08:57,400 --> 01:08:59,040
law at the state

1506
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,600
level husband and wife has now changed

1507
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:05,120
to married couple um that's why it's say

1508
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:07,400
spouse in other sections there's also

1509
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:11,480
very specific language or by siblings um

1510
01:09:11,480 --> 01:09:12,520
I spoke

1511
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:16,480
to assessor Maly H

1512
01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:19,920
to making these changes she agreed that

1513
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,000
those changes are consistent with what's

1514
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,080
in the state level but the U the dollar

1515
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:26,759
amount is same the dollar amounts are

1516
01:09:26,759 --> 01:09:30,199
based on what Miss maoy gave me um the

1517
01:09:30,199 --> 01:09:33,349
amount was up to

1518
01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:36,319
$4,400 um then she gave me the breakdown

1519
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:38,319
that's in here the way we had previously

1520
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:40,600
done it we did it we kind of staggered

1521
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,960
it in over a period of years that's no

1522
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:46,440
longer necessary to be in our code it's

1523
01:09:46,440 --> 01:09:49,759
going to be as of you know assessment

1524
01:09:49,759 --> 01:09:52,080
year 2024 and subsequent assessment

1525
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:55,159
years that's what it will be

1526
01:09:55,159 --> 01:09:56,960
so it's in two different spots so

1527
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,880
obviously on that first page um that's

1528
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:03,400
for the senior citizens and then if you

1529
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:04,880
turn

1530
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,480
to

1531
01:10:07,480 --> 01:10:11,080
the the back of the second

1532
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:14,360
page um you can see the changes for

1533
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:19,550
persons with limited income who are

1534
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,640
disabled it follows the same

1535
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,159
schedule

1536
01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:27,719
thank you go ahead please is there any

1537
01:10:27,719 --> 01:10:29,199
chance we could get the legislation

1538
01:10:29,199 --> 01:10:31,400
without without all the cross outs

1539
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:33,120
without instead of husband and wife

1540
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:34,120
married

1541
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:37,600
Papa it will look like that for the

1542
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:42,640
purposes of the so when we do a um an

1543
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,440
ordinance we have to essentially the way

1544
01:10:45,440 --> 01:10:47,719
we do it we strike out anything that's

1545
01:10:47,719 --> 01:10:51,360
going to be removed and um generally we

1546
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:53,360
would italicize anything that's going to

1547
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:56,960
be added um so because there is a lot

1548
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,400
that's being removed because we had done

1549
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:01,440
it over a series of years staggering it

1550
01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:04,280
in to what it is now all of those

1551
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:06,760
sections are now obsolete which is why

1552
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:10,120
they are cross out um hopefully it will

1553
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:12,640
be clearer once it's drafted for the

1554
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:13,920
purposes of the

1555
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,840
ordinance this is a reflection of what

1556
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:22,550
it will look like subject to the coun

1557
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:26,229
appr

1558
01:11:26,239 --> 01:11:41,229
any other

1559
01:11:41,239 --> 01:11:44,719
questions any other questions what this

1560
01:11:44,719 --> 01:11:47,120
presented to us here I think we had a

1561
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:49,440
motion for a second I just need a call

1562
01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:52,560
all in favor I thank

1563
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,709
you

1564
01:11:55,719 --> 01:11:58,400
the next item is discuss this 2024

1565
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,239
operating budget once again discussing

1566
01:12:01,239 --> 01:12:04,679
the budget as everyone is aware the May

1567
01:12:04,679 --> 01:12:06,600
has VTO the second budget that was

1568
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,920
presented to him and I'm going to hand

1569
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:11,719
this over to miss P you the part of this

1570
01:12:11,719 --> 01:12:14,120
session all right thank you everyone so

1571
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,440
as m m said we did present two budgets

1572
01:12:16,440 --> 01:12:18,159
to the mayor the mayor has be both

1573
01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:22,120
budgets um and you know our goal

1574
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:24,159
ultimately is to pass the budget we

1575
01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:25,440
understand that there was a timeline

1576
01:12:25,440 --> 01:12:27,760
December 1st however the excuse me

1577
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:29,360
November 1st but the charter does not

1578
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:31,159
speak to what happens if the budget is

1579
01:12:31,159 --> 01:12:34,199
not pass at that time um we have been

1580
01:12:34,199 --> 01:12:35,520
there have been

1581
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,080
conversations with the mayor regarding

1582
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:42,320
what we can do to get to umet where

1583
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:45,639
we're uh both have agreeable that not

1584
01:12:45,639 --> 01:12:47,080
everybody gets everything that they're

1585
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:50,320
asking for but it's an agreeable um it's

1586
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:53,080
agreeable budget to to all of us uh the

1587
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:54,639
last time time that in the discussion

1588
01:12:54,639 --> 01:12:56,960
was my my I walked away with the

1589
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,199
understanding that the use of arpa funds

1590
01:12:59,199 --> 01:13:01,400
to cover the waste was something that

1591
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:04,600
was acceptable but um having made that

1592
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:06,400
particular change which to me was pretty

1593
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:08,679
significant it was covering a $1.7

1594
01:13:08,679 --> 01:13:11,480
million deficit um that that that was

1595
01:13:11,480 --> 01:13:13,480
not acceptable so there um for that

1596
01:13:13,480 --> 01:13:14,920
reason the

1597
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:19,679
um the veto the budget was vetoed so um

1598
01:13:19,679 --> 01:13:21,239
my understanding is that the mayor does

1599
01:13:21,239 --> 01:13:24,159
not wish to use arpa funds for or that

1600
01:13:24,159 --> 01:13:26,960
particular issue or to to plug the

1601
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:31,000
budget um on on a major level this year

1602
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:32,800
because arpa funds are something that

1603
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,280
we're not going to have forever so if um

1604
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:36,800
the mayor would just like to speak to

1605
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:38,639
his concerns about the arpa funds I

1606
01:13:38,639 --> 01:13:40,600
think that's a place we could um just

1607
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:42,600
maybe have that start that

1608
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:47,760
discussion can uh think the arpa funds

1609
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,920
were inappropriately thought was being

1610
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:53,320
applied to that in some of the research

1611
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:57,159
search that Mr Cen had done recently

1612
01:13:57,159 --> 01:14:00,000
this yesterday this morning some of the

1613
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:03,960
case law that's out there uh I'm more

1614
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,600
comfortable taking a position that the

1615
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,400
council has probably waved its Authority

1616
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:11,679
your opportunity to make modifications

1617
01:14:11,679 --> 01:14:15,760
to my budget by not adopting something

1618
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:17,280
by November

1619
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:20,199
1st and so that in fact that my budget

1620
01:14:20,199 --> 01:14:23,320
is presented stands and would be

1621
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:25,520
operting budget for

1622
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:29,080
2024 becomes you know how do we come to

1623
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:31,360
that agreement whether you know starting

1624
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:33,480
action tomorrow Supreme Court and

1625
01:14:33,480 --> 01:14:36,520
article 78 proceeding and Su the city

1626
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:38,840
council and the finance

1627
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:43,280
commissioner uh initiate that uh want to

1628
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:45,040
do it still in a friendly way so that we

1629
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:47,400
end up with a product that uh is there

1630
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,400
but it may clear

1631
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:51,560
up any of

1632
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:56,120
the the unknown which is been there if

1633
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:58,000
the council doesn't take an affirmative

1634
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,760
action that there are consequences there

1635
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:03,600
are things that you have to do where the

1636
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,159
statute says things are supposed to

1637
01:15:05,159 --> 01:15:08,320
happen by a certain date and they

1638
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:13,400
didn't so um Mr B yeah so I

1639
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:16,000
think uh a good place to start would be

1640
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,719
to kind of recognize that um throughout

1641
01:15:18,719 --> 01:15:22,560
the process you know um there's been a

1642
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:24,280
lot of you know back and forth

1643
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:26,679
conversations and certain members um

1644
01:15:26,679 --> 01:15:30,239
have had you know uh critiques on the

1645
01:15:30,239 --> 01:15:33,480
mayor's proposed budget um and I think

1646
01:15:33,480 --> 01:15:38,920
that and and the mayor has questions and certainly some critiques around what

1647
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:41,080
the council has presented for him and I

1648
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:42,880
think it kind of Falls in two buckets if

1649
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:46,159
you will that there's some where I think

1650
01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:48,800
uh we need to be really honest about the

1651
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:52,040
fact that I think some decisions or even

1652
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:55,040
questions on um you know might have been

1653
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:59,639
motivated by um you know kind of the

1654
01:15:59,639 --> 01:16:02,239
political climate um that we're

1655
01:16:02,239 --> 01:16:05,360
in and I think the danger of that is

1656
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:07,360
that when that happens then when you

1657
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:08,920
have

1658
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:12,360
uh uh critiques or questions that have

1659
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:14,639
some degree of level of Merit to them

1660
01:16:14,639 --> 01:16:16,840
which I think I heard a lot of that it

1661
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:19,920
kind of colors everything um um for the

1662
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,440
latter and I just think that you know

1663
01:16:22,440 --> 01:16:24,280
that's a good place to start where we

1664
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:27,080
acknowledge that now I did receive the

1665
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:31,120
email from uh Mr Golden today um and I

1666
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:33,320
look forward to hearing what is you know

1667
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:36,199
kind of more of his uh interpretation of

1668
01:16:36,199 --> 01:16:38,199
that is but I think it's important that

1669
01:16:38,199 --> 01:16:41,480
we recognize that prior to this even

1670
01:16:41,480 --> 01:16:45,199
before um uh Mr Cen uh presented us with

1671
01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:47,600
the information that he did I have been

1672
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,000
talking with with members and I have

1673
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,239
been talking with the mayor um and those

1674
01:16:53,239 --> 01:16:55,480
conversations to me seem to be happening

1675
01:16:55,480 --> 01:16:59,440
in good faith and I would uh even uh

1676
01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:01,800
classify them as fruitful conversations

1677
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:03,520
where we were able to move the needle

1678
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:05,679
and I and I think that the best course

1679
01:17:05,679 --> 01:17:08,320
of action um would be for us to continue

1680
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:11,639
to do that um I I think

1681
01:17:11,639 --> 01:17:15,199
that we have this it has revealed that

1682
01:17:15,199 --> 01:17:17,639
we need to look at the charter um to

1683
01:17:17,639 --> 01:17:20,679
look at you know what are you know

1684
01:17:20,679 --> 01:17:23,239
what's the consequences of if we don't

1685
01:17:23,239 --> 01:17:26,040
uh if the city uh does not adopt a

1686
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:29,440
budget within the a lotted time frame

1687
01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:31,639
and I think that's something that we

1688
01:17:31,639 --> 01:17:32,960
should you know the decisions we make

1689
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:36,760
today aren't just for today we're we're looking down the road so I think

1690
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:39,679
that this kind of um open that up for us

1691
01:17:39,679 --> 01:17:41,520
to say let's examine that I think as a

1692
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:44,080
matter of uh uh procedure we should look

1693
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,320
at that and res revisit our Charter but

1694
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:50,120
I also think that we need to I don't

1695
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,159
think that this uh the situation that

1696
01:17:52,159 --> 01:17:54,880
we're in now is going to um lend itself

1697
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:56,719
to us having to find out that the quote

1698
01:17:56,719 --> 01:18:01,199
unquote hard way um I you know we have

1699
01:18:01,199 --> 01:18:05,239
to based on new information I think it's

1700
01:18:05,239 --> 01:18:08,639
I think we're obligated to um make

1701
01:18:08,639 --> 01:18:11,600
different calculations and be willing to

1702
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:14,560
make concessions um especially uh based

1703
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:17,880
on new information when we receive it so

1704
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:19,280
I think we should be strong in our

1705
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:22,679
opinions um but hold them Loosely enough

1706
01:18:22,679 --> 01:18:24,639
um to where if a new information is

1707
01:18:24,639 --> 01:18:26,560
presented we can move so I I think that

1708
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:28,320
what we that there was some of that that

1709
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:31,360
was happening based in my conversations

1710
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:35,679
um and I you know want to appreciate um

1711
01:18:35,679 --> 01:18:36,480
the

1712
01:18:36,480 --> 01:18:38,840
mayor as well as our council president

1713
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:40,760
and members of council that um I was

1714
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:43,040
able to talk to um and I think that we

1715
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:46,040
just keep heading down that that uh

1716
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:49,040
headed in that direction so we can

1717
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,639
um we can get this done so do you want

1718
01:18:51,639 --> 01:18:54,000
to outline that the conversation

1719
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:55,639
well I mean I can I can say like some of

1720
01:18:55,639 --> 01:19:00,239
the key things um you know that I spoke

1721
01:19:00,239 --> 01:19:03,239
with de Mayon and um

1722
01:19:03,239 --> 01:19:08,600
I uh you know either agree with or think

1723
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,600
that um it's not outside the realm of

1724
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:14,480
being reasonable to be agreeable too um

1725
01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:17,800
is that we are going to have to

1726
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:21,239
increase rates that's the reality and I

1727
01:19:21,239 --> 01:19:24,280
don't think anyone here is excited about

1728
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:25,880
that no one is looking forward to doing

1729
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,360
that but I think that the reality is P

1730
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:32,880
that that needs to happen um and I

1731
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:34,560
appreciate the fact that the council

1732
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:37,960
isn't just first looking for you know

1733
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:39,800
when we need to close the cap let's look

1734
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:42,320
at you know to try to burden um uh the

1735
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:44,920
residents of the city that we also look

1736
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,159
at you know efficient systems or

1737
01:19:47,159 --> 01:19:49,120
effective systems and other ways to

1738
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:51,040
increase Revenue um but I don't think

1739
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:52,480
that it's either or I think it's a yes

1740
01:19:52,480 --> 01:19:56,159
answer so you know the conversation that

1741
01:19:56,159 --> 01:19:58,440
um I had with the mayor and some of my

1742
01:19:58,440 --> 01:19:59,880
takeaways that I want to share today

1743
01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:04,239
would be like I would suggest that we um

1744
01:20:04,239 --> 01:20:07,080
meet uh the mayor's uh original proposal

1745
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:10,679
around uh water and sewer fees increase

1746
01:20:10,679 --> 01:20:16,080
um to at least uh 75% of what he was uh

1747
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:17,159
originally

1748
01:20:17,159 --> 01:20:22,080
proposing and I think that we also uh

1749
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:26,199
meet uh the the the trash the

1750
01:20:26,199 --> 01:20:30,239
residential uh trash uh fees

1751
01:20:30,239 --> 01:20:33,080
increase to the tun around 50% of what

1752
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:36,960
he proposed originally and I'd like to

1753
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:39,639
look at you know kind of if we could see

1754
01:20:39,639 --> 01:20:41,760
like what those numbers would look like

1755
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:44,040
uh and what some of those adjustments

1756
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:47,719
would be made I also um wanted to

1757
01:20:47,719 --> 01:20:49,480
highlight that we have a lot of work to

1758
01:20:49,480 --> 01:20:50,880
do in our code enforcement that's

1759
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:53,760
something that we talk about often um I

1760
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:56,120
think that uh returning um one of the

1761
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:59,000
jobs to the code enforcement would be uh

1762
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,880
act a good faith and step in the right

1763
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:04,719
direction

1764
01:21:04,719 --> 01:21:07,239
um and I you know those are just some of

1765
01:21:07,239 --> 01:21:08,560
the things that I think that would

1766
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:12,360
really help us get much much closer uh

1767
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:15,679
and I think that there's that that's

1768
01:21:15,679 --> 01:21:18,800
justifiable action uh for us to to make

1769
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:21,110
those

1770
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:24,760
considerations but I definitely welcome

1771
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:27,400
our council members

1772
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:32,199
input so Mr go ahead please so I just

1773
01:21:32,199 --> 01:21:33,639
want to clarify with the mayor so at

1774
01:21:33,639 --> 01:21:34,719
this point in time you're saying you're

1775
01:21:34,719 --> 01:21:36,159
not willing to entertain anything else

1776
01:21:36,159 --> 01:21:38,239
you're in the council I just want to be

1777
01:21:38,239 --> 01:21:40,520
clear I think you know we've gone

1778
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:42,280
through this it's gone down the road and

1779
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:45,360
to clarify not only for us now but going

1780
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:49,239
forward so the question isn't there is

1781
01:21:49,239 --> 01:21:52,840
to do an article 78 proceeding and just

1782
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:56,719
have the uh budget uh implemented as

1783
01:21:56,719 --> 01:22:00,360
submitted to the council I told has

1784
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:04,800
any comment on that thoughts and don't

1785
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:07,159
he's represented both of us in this so

1786
01:22:07,159 --> 01:22:09,239
might actually become a conflicted

1787
01:22:09,239 --> 01:22:12,320
positions I like to bring in outside

1788
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:16,639
Council on that so so if if when you

1789
01:22:16,639 --> 01:22:18,360
file that the council has to own also

1790
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:21,159
get their own outside Council I can't

1791
01:22:21,159 --> 01:22:23,120
tell you what to do or not to do okay

1792
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:24,239
well let me just tell the council

1793
01:22:24,239 --> 01:22:25,719
members if it comes to that we also have

1794
01:22:25,719 --> 01:22:27,840
to get our own outside Council as well

1795
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:29,080
so I just wanted to make it clear for

1796
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:31,120
you you're not open to any further

1797
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:33,400
discussion regarding this you're you

1798
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:35,760
want to go down the road of a lawsuit I

1799
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:37,320
just wanted to just make it

1800
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:40,320
clear options that are being presented I

1801
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:42,639
feel hind my ability to manage the city

1802
01:22:42,639 --> 01:22:45,840
going forward in the fiscal position is

1803
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:49,800
less than optimal and so this point

1804
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:52,760
to from an operational Point going

1805
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:56,440
forward and then just a policy

1806
01:22:56,440 --> 01:22:58,080
perspective going forward it will clear

1807
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:00,360
up what the respective roles are and

1808
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:04,070
what the timelines

1809
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:08,760
are Mr up Mr Mr would you I want to

1810
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:10,080
speak it's going to be subject to

1811
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:12,679
attorney client privilege um so the

1812
01:23:12,679 --> 01:23:14,520
council would either have to wave that

1813
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:17,480
privilege um or not if you're going to

1814
01:23:17,480 --> 01:23:19,320
wave that privilege I would speak openly

1815
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:20,960
about it if you're not going to wave

1816
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:22,920
that privilege and you want me to speak

1817
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:26,159
um have to go and close the doors and

1818
01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:28,520
have everybody leave so I can speak to

1819
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:30,360
the council

1820
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:33,800
s so it's up to you Mr move there do we

1821
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:36,080
do that now or do we recess and then go

1822
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:38,199
an executive session at the

1823
01:23:38,199 --> 01:23:40,719
end that's teic be outside of executive

1824
01:23:40,719 --> 01:23:43,840
session B pardon uh attorney client

1825
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:45,400
discussions are outside of executive

1826
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:46,760
session it's just not even part of the

1827
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:50,870
meeting okay

1828
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:53,560
so are we goinging way of that or we

1829
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:55,440
just would we like to going to Executive

1830
01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:56,840
session it wouldn't be executive session

1831
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:59,679
it would just be uh attorney attorney

1832
01:23:59,679 --> 01:24:01,639
but but the public would have to leave

1833
01:24:01,639 --> 01:24:03,040
okay so we would have to finish our

1834
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:06,280
agenda before that or or not but that

1835
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:07,320
would make sense because I think there's

1836
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:09,199
somebody here who wants to uh who's here

1837
01:24:09,199 --> 01:24:12,400
for something on the agenda

1838
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:15,000
so so it seems like

1839
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,880
we so it seems like I

1840
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:23,199
mean the course of action would be to uh

1841
01:24:23,199 --> 01:24:25,800
recess Finance get through the rest of

1842
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,880
our agenda and

1843
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:33,480
then um turn to finance and talk with

1844
01:24:33,480 --> 01:24:37,110
Corporation counsel was

1845
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:39,880
that I think based on the gravity of

1846
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:41,760
just the circumstance that we're now in

1847
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:43,199
I think that that is a prudent action

1848
01:24:43,199 --> 01:24:46,990
the council should take

1849
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:50,400
okay any other comment go ahead again I

1850
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:55,440
just in case I wasn't clear I think that you know the conversations that

1851
01:24:55,440 --> 01:24:56,840
I've had with the mayor and other

1852
01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:59,520
members over the past couple days have

1853
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:03,719
been happening in in in good faith um

1854
01:25:03,719 --> 01:25:07,320
and we were moving uh a lot closer to

1855
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:08,600
something I think that we were going to

1856
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:10,639
be agreeable on that would work for the

1857
01:25:10,639 --> 01:25:12,800
residents of the city is concy and I

1858
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:15,520
would just encourage all of us to to

1859
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:19,679
continue down that uh path because I uh

1860
01:25:19,679 --> 01:25:21,400
I I think we're really seeing some

1861
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:23,440
daylight there so I just want to be

1862
01:25:23,440 --> 01:25:27,679
clear that would be my recommendation to

1863
01:25:27,679 --> 01:25:29,119
the mayor and

1864
01:25:29,119 --> 01:25:31,119
councel I want to just kind of

1865
01:25:31,119 --> 01:25:33,520
appreciate Mr parley's effort to

1866
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:36,840
dialog to just bring

1867
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:42,000
a clear closure to it as opposed to a

1868
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:44,440
negotiated settlement which still may be

1869
01:25:44,440 --> 01:25:48,350
subject to additional

1870
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:52,480
review just set the record going forward

1871
01:25:52,480 --> 01:25:54,960
make it a lot easier for any individual

1872
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:58,830
sitting our respective seats

1873
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:02,960
down you what was that he the end

1874
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:06,400
it when somebody else will be mayor

1875
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:08,239
other people will be on the city council

1876
01:26:08,239 --> 01:26:09,880
they'll know that they have to adopt a

1877
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:13,870
budget by November

1878
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:16,639
1st so so just to recap so your

1879
01:26:16,639 --> 01:26:19,360
suggestion on the proposal on the table

1880
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:20,440
is to

1881
01:26:20,440 --> 01:26:23,320
increase the m already bring it up to

1882
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:26,320
50% water and sewer so you're asking

1883
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:29,880
bring that up to 75% water and sewer and

1884
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:32,719
residential Wass you're asking to bring

1885
01:26:32,719 --> 01:26:36,119
that proposal on the table to 50% and

1886
01:26:36,119 --> 01:26:37,080
one

1887
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:41,390
position in

1888
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:44,719
C right and I think that that is right

1889
01:26:44,719 --> 01:26:49,719
that's my position and you know and not to use AR funds you know I think

1890
01:26:49,719 --> 01:26:51,199
that you know we

1891
01:26:51,199 --> 01:26:53,880
can

1892
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:56,119
go ahead please yes um what council

1893
01:26:56,119 --> 01:26:59,679
members have you reached out to I

1894
01:26:59,679 --> 01:27:04,600
so so I um spoke with uh the mayor I

1895
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:07,600
spoke with uh count our council

1896
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,560
president um and I've reached out to a

1897
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:15,390
couple other council members

1898
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:18,760
um I reached out to me so I just

1899
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:20,520
wondered who who you reached out to

1900
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:26,719
regarding this so we want that needle to move but again was no one reached out

1901
01:27:26,719 --> 01:27:30,600
to me to even miss Patrick well I did

1902
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:32,000
speak with you miss Patrick I'm sorry at

1903
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,159
the last meeting regarding before that I

1904
01:27:34,159 --> 01:27:36,000
did speak with you about the

1905
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,880
um the money in terms of ARA you did you

1906
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:40,199
said you wouldn't proberly support it

1907
01:27:40,199 --> 01:27:41,960
and you didn't which is fine but that's

1908
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:43,400
okay but I did we were right here in

1909
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:47,400
this room was right and and just yeah

1910
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:50,119
and I think that it's so you know really

1911
01:27:50,119 --> 01:27:53,040
what I was trying to do um my uh

1912
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:57,239
strategy here was to really um talk to

1913
01:27:57,239 --> 01:28:01,000
people who have uh to me seemed um that

1914
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:05,000
they were uh furthest apart um and I

1915
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:08,119
think that once we kind of were able to

1916
01:28:08,119 --> 01:28:09,639
close the gap there I think that it

1917
01:28:09,639 --> 01:28:12,080
would be naturally we progress naturally

1918
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:14,199
for us all to be in a better place so

1919
01:28:14,199 --> 01:28:16,600
please don't take that as like an you

1920
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:18,320
know excluding you from any conversation

1921
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:20,199
I was just um there there was a method

1922
01:28:20,199 --> 01:28:21,719
to what I I was trying to operate with

1923
01:28:21,719 --> 01:28:22,960
them

1924
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:24,400
and then I I truly think it's worth

1925
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:26,360
noting so don't want us to to lose this

1926
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:28,840
in semantics Mr Tor with all the respect

1927
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:30,760
your position has quite honestly been

1928
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:33,840
the clearest of supporting the mayor's

1929
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:37,800
proposed budget and I think in kind to M

1930
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,560
Mr Farley's uh comment is trying to

1931
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:43,000
understand where the adjustments could

1932
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:44,960
be made and trying to understand how we

1933
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:48,360
can best our work with the mayor U to to

1934
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:53,320
meet our our uh depleting uh timeline

1935
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:54,760
I just to clarify that with regards to

1936
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:56,880
arpa funding no arpa funding was used

1937
01:28:56,880 --> 01:29:00,119
for water and so it was only used for um

1938
01:29:00,119 --> 01:29:03,430
the

1939
01:29:03,440 --> 01:29:05,719
ways go so do you want to talk about

1940
01:29:05,719 --> 01:29:07,520
this now or are we going to move forward

1941
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:10,880
with um the other question before we

1942
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:13,679
talk about specifics because

1943
01:29:13,679 --> 01:29:17,320
iess finance committee we don't need to

1944
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:20,639
recess because it's basically client

1945
01:29:20,639 --> 01:29:24,480
well uh client lawyer privilege so

1946
01:29:24,480 --> 01:29:26,840
that's not necessarily finance committee

1947
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:29,280
that's a body as a whole but I think

1948
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:31,320
that recess just to get through the

1949
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:32,840
agenda I think that's what we're saying

1950
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:35,119
and then so the people that are in the

1951
01:29:35,119 --> 01:29:39,159
room I okay you make sense I understand

1952
01:29:39,159 --> 01:29:40,920
go ahead my understanding of the recess

1953
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:43,040
process is we recess let's say during

1954
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:45,199
that discussion we come to some

1955
01:29:45,199 --> 01:29:47,000
understanding then we've only recessed

1956
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:48,600
we have the opportunity to pass the

1957
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:51,199
budget out so I'm not saying could

1958
01:29:51,199 --> 01:29:53,760
happen but we're leaving that room we're

1959
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:55,239
leaving the room for that to happen so

1960
01:29:55,239 --> 01:29:57,239
recessing would allow that yes I

1961
01:29:57,239 --> 01:29:58,760
understand that but that question was

1962
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:01,760
about the lawyer yeah two things could

1963
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:04,870
be true seems like they're

1964
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:08,159
both so are we

1965
01:30:08,159 --> 01:30:11,119
recessing I make a motion to recess

1966
01:30:11,119 --> 01:30:14,000
second all in favor the finance

1967
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:17,199
committee it recess thank you I'd like

1968
01:30:17,199 --> 01:30:18,760
to follow order City development and

1969
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:20,520
planning we have eight items on the

1970
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:23,080
agenda the first first item is to

1971
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:24,920
request for the authorization purchase

1972
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:27,360
of chlorine gas 2024 for the water

1973
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:36,350
department Mr

1974
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:39,760
lefon tonight is to purchase replenish

1975
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:41,840
of supply of coring gas for the

1976
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:43,760
treatment of drinking water at the the W

1977
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:47,080
fields on Rice Road SP out every year

1978
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:49,679
this year's bid U if approved will be

1979
01:30:49,679 --> 01:30:52,719
awarded to um jci Jones

1980
01:30:52,719 --> 01:30:55,920
um in the amount of $91,200 which is

1981
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:59,360
$250 per cylinder which is roughly 365

1982
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:03,400
cylinders one cylinder per day um that's

1983
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:06,000
a slight decrease from last year how

1984
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:09,800
much those decreases $50 per cylind so

1985
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:11,960
we have to do the math

1986
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:15,560
18,250 okay that's providing we use one

1987
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:17,159
per day and that varies it depends on

1988
01:31:17,159 --> 01:31:19,199
how much water is the demand for and how

1989
01:31:19,199 --> 01:31:21,239
much we treat so it's just a rough

1990
01:31:21,239 --> 01:31:23,320
estimate usually about

1991
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:25,480
365 that's our average so we would be

1992
01:31:25,480 --> 01:31:27,080
saving around

1993
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:30,159
$188,000 okay are there any questions

1994
01:31:30,159 --> 01:31:33,520
I'll move it second all in favor our

1995
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:35,480
second item is request to uh for

1996
01:31:35,480 --> 01:31:37,159
authorization to purchase sodium

1997
01:31:37,159 --> 01:31:39,679
hydrochloride 2024 for the wastewater

1998
01:31:39,679 --> 01:31:42,840
treatment plan again um that is for

1999
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:45,000
disection of the waste water prior to

2000
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:49,880
entering the river um it's roughly uh

2001
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:52,960
21,400 gallon or

2002
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:56,040
uh it's a slight decrease over last year

2003
01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:58,800
80 per gallon versus

2004
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:01,440
$24 last year we bid twice because of

2005
01:32:01,440 --> 01:32:03,800
the demand for fing we did a six-month

2006
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:05,679
bid it came down a little bit more and

2007
01:32:05,679 --> 01:32:07,760
this time we bid out for full year and

2008
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:10,080
the price should come down a little bit

2009
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:12,280
I do the math but oh I'm sorry it's

2010
01:32:12,280 --> 01:32:15,119
$24,000 roughly in

2011
01:32:15,119 --> 01:32:17,800
savings any questions I'll move it

2012
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:21,760
second all in favor thank you thank you

2013
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:23,480
we can save money we're

2014
01:32:23,480 --> 01:32:26,320
happy um the next item on the agenda is

2015
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:29,679
for arbura contract update fortunately

2016
01:32:29,679 --> 01:32:33,639
um Miss haror had a family um emergency

2017
01:32:33,639 --> 01:32:36,119
that came up uh so she had to go take

2018
01:32:36,119 --> 01:32:38,239
care of that and so she's ask that we

2019
01:32:38,239 --> 01:32:40,040
just put that off pull that put that off

2020
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:42,159
for two weeks and she'll be here to

2021
01:32:42,159 --> 01:32:46,950
um give us those

2022
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:50,960
updates okay um the final five items are

2023
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:54,080
for ex executive session for sale of

2024
01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:56,480
properties so I would ask to go to the

2025
01:32:56,480 --> 01:32:57,480
executive

2026
01:32:57,480 --> 01:33:00,520
session so second all in

2027
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:03,360
favor okay we'll be going to Executive

2028
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:04,679
session so members of the public will

2029
01:33:04,679 --> 01:33:06,239
have to

2030
01:33:06,239 --> 01:33:09,159
leave and then and then we'll

2031
01:33:09,159 --> 01:33:11,400
recom I think we're going to go through

2032
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:14,000
the then we' Rec combine no but I mean

2033
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:20,550
after that we Rec just so they

2034
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:21,960
know

2035
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:50,550
[Music]

2036
01:33:50,560 --> 01:34:20,470
think

2037
01:34:20,480 --> 01:35:20,390
for

2038
01:35:20,400 --> 01:37:50,189
e

2039
01:37:50,199 --> 01:38:50,109
for

2040
01:38:50,119 --> 01:45:49,470
e

2041
01:45:49,480 --> 01:46:19,390
for

2042
01:46:19,400 --> 01:58:48,310
e

2043
01:58:48,320 --> 01:59:18,229
for

2044
01:59:18,239 --> 02:01:29,990
e

2045
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:31,679
you can

2046
02:01:31,679 --> 02:01:33,760
see yeah there

2047
02:01:33,760 --> 02:01:38,000
are what's that laptop what

2048
02:01:38,000 --> 02:01:41,520
about oh all right okay so i' would like

2049
02:01:41,520 --> 02:01:45,470
to reconvene the finance

2050
02:01:45,480 --> 02:01:48,679
committee and just proba you want to

2051
02:01:48,679 --> 02:01:50,440
take this back and

2052
02:01:50,440 --> 02:01:54,920
just yeah proposal is yeah so as I

2053
02:01:54,920 --> 02:01:57,800
mentioned earlier I think that um it it

2054
02:01:57,800 --> 02:02:00,719
the best course of action is uh continue

2055
02:02:00,719 --> 02:02:04,199
uh on the progress that we made um and

2056
02:02:04,199 --> 02:02:06,880
get something agreable uh so we can pass

2057
02:02:06,880 --> 02:02:08,920
a a budget for the people of city of

2058
02:02:08,920 --> 02:02:12,679
connec um I I would like uh the

2059
02:02:12,679 --> 02:02:15,040
council's favorable consideration of

2060
02:02:15,040 --> 02:02:18,119
meeting um the mayor's uh water and

2061
02:02:18,119 --> 02:02:21,280
sewer a rate at 100% of what his

2062
02:02:21,280 --> 02:02:23,840
proposed rate was

2063
02:02:23,840 --> 02:02:26,840
um as well as I know that Mr Mayor there

2064
02:02:26,840 --> 02:02:30,360
was um uh one of key position in your

2065
02:02:30,360 --> 02:02:33,119
staff that you

2066
02:02:33,119 --> 02:02:40,030
uh wanted us to

2067
02:02:40,040 --> 02:02:41,560
ad

2068
02:02:41,560 --> 02:02:44,320
adjustment from the Cil perspective and

2069
02:02:44,320 --> 02:02:46,280
just ask that that be put back to my

2070
02:02:46,280 --> 02:02:48,440
recommendation what's can you can you

2071
02:02:48,440 --> 02:02:52,390
tell us what the adjustment

2072
02:02:52,400 --> 02:02:55,239
is so it's a position in your office

2073
02:02:55,239 --> 02:03:00,760
correct yeah so I I uh I would ask the council

2074
02:03:00,760 --> 02:03:05,719
to consider that uh as well

2075
02:03:05,719 --> 02:03:08,639
um and also I'd like the council to

2076
02:03:08,639 --> 02:03:12,760
consider uh um putting back a job one of

2077
02:03:12,760 --> 02:03:16,239
the positions to our code enforcement um

2078
02:03:16,239 --> 02:03:17,880
because

2079
02:03:17,880 --> 02:03:20,679
uh

2080
02:03:20,679 --> 02:03:22,239
we know that we need to uh do some work

2081
02:03:22,239 --> 02:03:23,440
around that area with our code

2082
02:03:23,440 --> 02:03:25,079
enforcement as we're trying to work to

2083
02:03:25,079 --> 02:03:27,360
strengthen um The Code Enforcement here

2084
02:03:27,360 --> 02:03:30,520
knowing that we just unfortunately um

2085
02:03:30,520 --> 02:03:32,119
lost somebody out of that department we

2086
02:03:32,119 --> 02:03:33,840
want to make sure that we have enough

2087
02:03:33,840 --> 02:03:37,199
opportunity for people uh to apply and

2088
02:03:37,199 --> 02:03:38,800
so I I think that that would be a good

2089
02:03:38,800 --> 02:03:42,390
course of action as

2090
02:03:42,400 --> 02:03:44,679
well just before I I just want to make

2091
02:03:44,679 --> 02:03:46,239
sure we get the notes right so you're

2092
02:03:46,239 --> 02:03:48,079
asking now that you're changing your

2093
02:03:48,079 --> 02:03:49,400
previous proposal

2094
02:03:49,400 --> 02:03:55,040
water 100% SE is 100% the W at 50% 100%

2095
02:03:55,040 --> 02:04:00,239
of the of the mayor's uh proposed budget water for for water and

2096
02:04:00,239 --> 02:04:03,159
sewer for water % for for Waste

2097
02:04:03,159 --> 02:04:07,520
residential yes and you 75% he's

2098
02:04:07,520 --> 02:04:09,800
changing it back to 100% instead of for

2099
02:04:09,800 --> 02:04:19,760
the waste for waste down no 50 50 said I I I I said uh

2100
02:04:19,760 --> 02:04:22,079
originally I said 50% Mr Mayor did you

2101
02:04:22,079 --> 02:04:24,559
think that

2102
02:04:24,559 --> 02:04:26,840
uh5 I think that

2103
02:04:26,840 --> 02:04:29,040
um interesting how when you think you

2104
02:04:29,040 --> 02:04:30,760
never think in a way that goes this way

2105
02:04:30,760 --> 02:04:34,040
right but um uh again I I I don't think

2106
02:04:34,040 --> 02:04:36,320
that that's um going to be a deal

2107
02:04:36,320 --> 02:04:38,679
breaker for me I think that

2108
02:04:38,679 --> 02:04:41,280
um I'd ask the council to consider that

2109
02:04:41,280 --> 02:04:46,360
as well um and the small M very minor uh

2110
02:04:46,360 --> 02:04:49,440
budget adjustment um for uh

2111
02:04:49,440 --> 02:04:52,960
staff in the mayor's office and I think

2112
02:04:52,960 --> 02:04:55,440
that if we can get there then we can get

2113
02:04:55,440 --> 02:04:56,639
it

2114
02:04:56,639 --> 02:04:59,480
done well I ask also the assistant

2115
02:04:59,480 --> 02:05:03,159
Corporation counsel go back they need

2116
02:05:03,159 --> 02:05:06,840
that code enforcement to do some of the

2117
02:05:06,840 --> 02:05:09,360
revenue generation

2118
02:05:09,360 --> 02:05:13,079
and Beyond Mr fr I appreciate this

2119
02:05:13,079 --> 02:05:16,119
dialogue and thought this is then you

2120
02:05:16,119 --> 02:05:19,159
put on the ballot in November an

2121
02:05:19,159 --> 02:05:20,880
amendment to the Charter take to the

2122
02:05:20,880 --> 02:05:24,599
voters and say that

2123
02:05:24,599 --> 02:05:27,920
if a budget is not reached by November

2124
02:05:27,920 --> 02:05:31,119
1st it the mayor's budget is adopted

2125
02:05:31,119 --> 02:05:32,920
there's other versions where it says it

2126
02:05:32,920 --> 02:05:35,119
goes back to the prior year budget or

2127
02:05:35,119 --> 02:05:38,079
some scenario which I'm open to the

2128
02:05:38,079 --> 02:05:41,559
wording on that so it clears up uh again

2129
02:05:41,559 --> 02:05:43,520
any question about what the process is

2130
02:05:43,520 --> 02:05:45,679
with the outcomes so how many

2131
02:05:45,679 --> 02:05:47,400
Corporation Council are there current

2132
02:05:47,400 --> 02:05:49,040
how many assistant Corporation curent

2133
02:05:49,040 --> 02:05:51,040
are they

2134
02:05:51,040 --> 02:05:53,440
current positions I know they're not all

2135
02:05:53,440 --> 02:05:56,639
people there but positions I don't so we

2136
02:05:56,639 --> 02:06:02,950
asking just for

2137
02:06:02,960 --> 02:06:06,520
one one slot in my budget dropped to

2138
02:06:06,520 --> 02:06:09,559
$60,000 position and then the council is

2139
02:06:09,559 --> 02:06:12,320
looking to take

2140
02:06:12,320 --> 02:06:14,800
82,000 I'm just asking that be

2141
02:06:14,800 --> 02:06:18,040
reinstated so so how many so how many

2142
02:06:18,040 --> 02:06:19,920
Corporation Council positions are there

2143
02:06:19,920 --> 02:06:22,520
current we can look it up oh

2144
02:06:22,520 --> 02:06:26,350
okay before we made our

2145
02:06:26,360 --> 02:06:30,079
changes just got to find the right pars

2146
02:06:30,079 --> 02:06:31,800
okay

2147
02:06:31,800 --> 02:06:35,189
oops

2148
02:06:35,199 --> 02:06:40,589
um looks like

2149
02:06:40,599 --> 02:06:43,320
the in the do you want me to say this

2150
02:06:43,320 --> 02:06:46,679
out loud yeah yeah okay so we have sheet

2151
02:06:46,679 --> 02:06:48,960
of paper yeah pass it around um

2152
02:06:48,960 --> 02:06:52,920
basically we had uh three assistant

2153
02:06:52,920 --> 02:06:55,040
corporate councils but we only in the

2154
02:06:55,040 --> 02:06:58,520
2024 proposed mayor or a budget two of

2155
02:06:58,520 --> 02:07:00,880
those would be um and there wasn't

2156
02:07:00,880 --> 02:07:03,880
anybody in a third one before so two of

2157
02:07:03,880 --> 02:07:06,400
them would would be uh in the mayor's

2158
02:07:06,400 --> 02:07:10,079
budget and the Council budget was

2159
02:07:10,079 --> 02:07:11,840
removing one so we would be coming back

2160
02:07:11,840 --> 02:07:13,159
to

2161
02:07:13,159 --> 02:07:16,639
two and it is true that that um position

2162
02:07:16,639 --> 02:07:18,719
I believe in conversations I've had with

2163
02:07:18,719 --> 02:07:20,520
the mayor is really important in terms

2164
02:07:20,520 --> 02:07:23,639
of some of the um closings on on the

2165
02:07:23,639 --> 02:07:27,199
property on the property

2166
02:07:27,199 --> 02:07:31,199
Sal residential component of the homes

2167
02:07:31,199 --> 02:07:34,239
progr yeah so it can help generate

2168
02:07:34,239 --> 02:07:36,920
revenue and also like so we all because

2169
02:07:36,920 --> 02:07:38,800
we all know that Mr C will not be with

2170
02:07:38,800 --> 02:07:42,719
us at beginning of the year

2171
02:07:42,719 --> 02:07:46,229
so we

2172
02:07:46,239 --> 02:07:56,549
adding yeah

2173
02:07:56,559 --> 02:07:58,440
so let so let me just be let me just

2174
02:07:58,440 --> 02:08:00,239
recap just to make sure I'm getting it

2175
02:08:00,239 --> 02:08:01,639
right because I've got a lot of C outs

2176
02:08:01,639 --> 02:08:04,320
here so you're asking for Corporation

2177
02:08:04,320 --> 02:08:06,040
Council me too that was in your proposed

2178
02:08:06,040 --> 02:08:08,599
budget assistant assistant Corporation

2179
02:08:08,599 --> 02:08:11,159
Council that was in your proposed budget

2180
02:08:11,159 --> 02:08:13,360
the changes from what is basically the

2181
02:08:13,360 --> 02:08:16,960
last version from the counil would be to

2182
02:08:16,960 --> 02:08:20,079
reinstate one more Code Enforcement

2183
02:08:20,079 --> 02:08:21,880
Officers

2184
02:08:21,880 --> 02:08:26,440
the system Corporation Council and the

2185
02:08:26,440 --> 02:08:31,480
minor adjustment to one position in my

2186
02:08:31,480 --> 02:08:35,119
office um and then in s water you're

2187
02:08:35,119 --> 02:08:37,199
saying 100% And then

2188
02:08:37,199 --> 02:08:40,750
waste

2189
02:08:40,760 --> 02:08:44,280
50% 75 but if

2190
02:08:44,280 --> 02:08:46,840
we went to the

2191
02:08:46,840 --> 02:08:50,239
50 not happy with but we had they're

2192
02:08:50,239 --> 02:08:52,800
talking about putting the $100,000

2193
02:08:52,800 --> 02:08:55,199
number for

2194
02:08:55,199 --> 02:08:58,280
jackpots uh I

2195
02:08:58,280 --> 02:09:01,760
would go with that and then just need

2196
02:09:01,760 --> 02:09:04,360
from the council that early in January

2197
02:09:04,360 --> 02:09:07,599
we'll look at oh yeah the jackpot

2198
02:09:07,599 --> 02:09:10,679
component the fee on that so that in

2199
02:09:10,679 --> 02:09:12,599
fact that becomes a realistic number

2200
02:09:12,599 --> 02:09:14,599
because today I can't even though we

2201
02:09:14,599 --> 02:09:16,880
agree to it there's no way for me to

2202
02:09:16,880 --> 02:09:19,880
actually implement that in the field

2203
02:09:19,880 --> 02:09:21,920
right and the then oh I'm

2204
02:09:21,920 --> 02:09:26,280
sorry B chair's over there b CH please

2205
02:09:26,280 --> 02:09:29,199
Sor no wor wor thought trying to put

2206
02:09:29,199 --> 02:09:32,360
everything and also the nature I think

2207
02:09:32,360 --> 02:09:35,599
uh to the nature of that Jack Pot fee if

2208
02:09:35,599 --> 02:09:39,280
you will is that once we start to

2209
02:09:39,280 --> 02:09:41,719
implement it then we can kind of expect

2210
02:09:41,719 --> 02:09:43,320
for it to start to decrease cuz people

2211
02:09:43,320 --> 02:09:44,960
will start to will start to deter people

2212
02:09:44,960 --> 02:09:47,040
from putting that much garbage out so we

2213
02:09:47,040 --> 02:09:48,920
can kind of have an expectation for that

2214
02:09:48,920 --> 02:09:50,480
Mr

2215
02:09:50,480 --> 02:09:54,079
leond late today sent me around notice

2216
02:09:54,079 --> 02:09:55,880
of some of the fee adjustments and I

2217
02:09:55,880 --> 02:10:01,750
think it's we estimat about

2218
02:10:01,760 --> 02:10:04,440
$138,000 above what our assumptions were

2219
02:10:04,440 --> 02:10:07,400
when we put the budget forth it's just

2220
02:10:07,400 --> 02:10:10,629
Cost going

2221
02:10:10,639 --> 02:10:12,520
up the

2222
02:10:12,520 --> 02:10:16,229
reality get rid of the

2223
02:10:16,239 --> 02:10:19,400
garbage so I just want to clarify

2224
02:10:19,400 --> 02:10:22,239
that you're saying you'd go with 100% of

2225
02:10:22,239 --> 02:10:24,360
what the mayor was suggesting for water

2226
02:10:24,360 --> 02:10:27,920
and sewer that's correct and 50% with

2227
02:10:27,920 --> 02:10:29,679
the Wass and

2228
02:10:29,679 --> 02:10:33,950
$100,000 for the

2229
02:10:33,960 --> 02:10:36,280
jackpot but the jackpot won't be a part

2230
02:10:36,280 --> 02:10:38,960
of the suspens that's we put we would

2231
02:10:38,960 --> 02:10:42,079
put a line in the budget for $100,000 in

2232
02:10:42,079 --> 02:10:45,719
revenue for Waste we have to go

2233
02:10:45,719 --> 02:10:50,239
back as quick as we can actually put the

2234
02:10:50,239 --> 02:10:53,360
mechanism in for the jackpots in for

2235
02:10:53,360 --> 02:10:57,000
that so in the revenue line okay so

2236
02:10:57,000 --> 02:10:59,679
that's always nice that's Mr go ahead

2237
02:10:59,679 --> 02:11:06,119
please um but so that still means this last dated 127 the last Council

2238
02:11:06,119 --> 02:11:11,679
budget M was was at 50% of the waste uh

2239
02:11:11,679 --> 02:11:16,360
charges as uh projected by the mayor so

2240
02:11:16,360 --> 02:11:19,199
we would still be down 1.7 million in

2241
02:11:19,199 --> 02:11:21,719
Revenue if we went with 50% of the waste

2242
02:11:21,719 --> 02:11:23,880
fee I think but that was on residential

2243
02:11:23,880 --> 02:11:27,239
was that's residential um no was it

2244
02:11:27,239 --> 02:11:29,280
commercial no the commercial um you

2245
02:11:29,280 --> 02:11:32,040
didn't do anything with resal commercial

2246
02:11:32,040 --> 02:11:33,520
yeah it was all commercial I thought

2247
02:11:33,520 --> 02:11:35,800
that um the majority of the council was

2248
02:11:35,800 --> 02:11:38,000
trying to reduce the mayoral project the

2249
02:11:38,000 --> 02:11:42,520
mayoral um request for refug this is my

2250
02:11:42,520 --> 02:11:46,000
last go ahead try to put um instead of

2251
02:11:46,000 --> 02:11:48,679
the budget that the mayor proposed of6

2252
02:11:48,679 --> 02:11:50,440
959

2253
02:11:50,440 --> 02:11:54,719
273 um the council was proposing U minus

2254
02:11:54,719 --> 02:11:56,920
1,732

2255
02:11:56,920 --> 02:12:00,239
990 no it has to do with um commercial

2256
02:12:00,239 --> 02:12:02,159
we didn't touch anything on residential

2257
02:12:02,159 --> 02:12:03,639
for

2258
02:12:03,639 --> 02:12:06,760
we yeah I thought you were cutting all

2259
02:12:06,760 --> 02:12:09,000
three fees by 50% in what you were

2260
02:12:09,000 --> 02:12:11,119
trying to

2261
02:12:11,119 --> 02:12:12,920
project

2262
02:12:12,920 --> 02:12:17,079
then yeah could could

2263
02:12:17,079 --> 02:12:21,360
be here to kind of give us the number so

2264
02:12:21,360 --> 02:12:24,239
therefore we're not so this is the 50%

2265
02:12:24,239 --> 02:12:25,920
commercial we didn't touch on

2266
02:12:25,920 --> 02:12:28,559
residential so this 50% that is proposed

2267
02:12:28,559 --> 02:12:32,440
by Mr Harley is that new for residential

2268
02:12:32,440 --> 02:12:36,480
50% and 50% for commercial that was

2269
02:12:36,480 --> 02:12:40,549
already incorporated into these

2270
02:12:40,559 --> 02:12:45,199
changes yes and now we're 50% that is

2271
02:12:45,199 --> 02:12:49,079
new that is completely new Patrick we

2272
02:12:49,079 --> 02:12:52,000
said no increase for waste that

2273
02:12:52,000 --> 02:12:54,199
was any document you have in front of

2274
02:12:54,199 --> 02:12:56,159
you show no increase for

2275
02:12:56,159 --> 02:13:00,520
res 50% but it was only for the

2276
02:13:00,520 --> 02:13:03,480
commercial res so could we get the

2277
02:13:03,480 --> 02:13:07,320
numbers so so and then we can no we

2278
02:13:07,320 --> 02:13:11,159
don't talking Mr Mr M so what's go ahead

2279
02:13:11,159 --> 02:13:13,440
please no I don't have a question I just

2280
02:13:13,440 --> 02:13:16,360
want to so if everybody understands the

2281
02:13:16,360 --> 02:13:18,520
agreement there's no more questions at

2282
02:13:18,520 --> 02:13:20,960
this point in time we would have to have

2283
02:13:20,960 --> 02:13:24,199
um Mr ho run those numbers

2284
02:13:24,199 --> 02:13:29,119
and Y and excuse me bring that back to

2285
02:13:29,119 --> 02:13:30,440
the

2286
02:13:30,440 --> 02:13:33,920
um finance committee so go ahead please

2287
02:13:33,920 --> 02:13:35,760
well but except that there's still out

2288
02:13:35,760 --> 02:13:37,760
there is the overtime um for the police

2289
02:13:37,760 --> 02:13:39,800
and fire we haven't talked about that I

2290
02:13:39,800 --> 02:13:42,199
mean I I guess I understand what you're

2291
02:13:42,199 --> 02:13:43,520
saying about the fees so I guess

2292
02:13:43,520 --> 02:13:45,360
although I think I was operating under a

2293
02:13:45,360 --> 02:13:47,559
different idea all the way through all

2294
02:13:47,559 --> 02:13:49,440
of our weeks of discussions in terms of

2295
02:13:49,440 --> 02:13:51,520
what you were suggesting with those fees

2296
02:13:51,520 --> 02:13:54,119
um but I still would like to talk about

2297
02:13:54,119 --> 02:13:57,280
the overtime for the police and the and the

2298
02:13:57,280 --> 02:14:00,119
fire um I think there were and then I

2299
02:14:00,119 --> 02:14:01,800
want to go back and look at these

2300
02:14:01,800 --> 02:14:06,239
positions as well um in terms of you

2301
02:14:06,239 --> 02:14:08,840
know I mean there you know I don't know

2302
02:14:08,840 --> 02:14:10,239
there's still things that I was in

2303
02:14:10,239 --> 02:14:11,920
disagreement with I think my colleagues

2304
02:14:11,920 --> 02:14:13,360
are as well but I don't know we haven't

2305
02:14:13,360 --> 02:14:16,870
had that conversation

2306
02:14:16,880 --> 02:14:19,559
but

2307
02:14:19,559 --> 02:14:22,960
so I'm not ready to vote until we you

2308
02:14:22,960 --> 02:14:24,719
know look at this so what happens

2309
02:14:24,719 --> 02:14:26,440
tonight is comes out of Finance so the

2310
02:14:26,440 --> 02:14:28,239
finance committee would voted out

2311
02:14:28,239 --> 02:14:30,520
whatever whatever we discuss tonight I

2312
02:14:30,520 --> 02:14:32,800
see but I thought but then and then we'd

2313
02:14:32,800 --> 02:14:34,360
have to have a special meeting again to

2314
02:14:34,360 --> 02:14:35,920
try to vote on the budget we can't vote

2315
02:14:35,920 --> 02:14:41,350
on the budget in other words we can't

2316
02:14:41,360 --> 02:14:44,719
vot I would

2317
02:14:44,719 --> 02:14:47,000
suggest people are in agreement with

2318
02:14:47,000 --> 02:14:50,549
that General

2319
02:14:50,559 --> 02:14:52,960
package people aren't necessarily 100%

2320
02:14:52,960 --> 02:14:55,639
happy is that and president either you

2321
02:14:55,639 --> 02:14:57,159
or one of the members of the council

2322
02:14:57,159 --> 02:14:59,639
call for a special meeting on

2323
02:14:59,639 --> 02:15:02,400
Thursday we'll have the numbers worked

2324
02:15:02,400 --> 02:15:05,639
up tomorrow morning send out to the

2325
02:15:05,639 --> 02:15:07,800
council doesn't have to go through the

2326
02:15:07,800 --> 02:15:09,760
finance committee there'll be one item

2327
02:15:09,760 --> 02:15:13,800
on the agenda for Thursday if we vote on

2328
02:15:13,800 --> 02:15:16,000
a new

2329
02:15:16,000 --> 02:15:18,679
budget so we we will not have to pass

2330
02:15:18,679 --> 02:15:20,639
the start of

2331
02:15:20,639 --> 02:15:23,000
Finance if you're calling for a special

2332
02:15:23,000 --> 02:15:24,599
meeting we call for a special meeting

2333
02:15:24,599 --> 02:15:26,480
you don't have to have an amendment come

2334
02:15:26,480 --> 02:15:31,270
out committee

2335
02:15:31,280 --> 02:15:33,920
process but the notice has to say I'm

2336
02:15:33,920 --> 02:15:36,320
sorry but the notice has to say what the

2337
02:15:36,320 --> 02:15:39,440
special meeting is for what youve done

2338
02:15:39,440 --> 02:15:41,679
before

2339
02:15:41,679 --> 02:15:46,790
than just so

2340
02:15:46,800 --> 02:15:53,430
very

2341
02:15:53,440 --> 02:15:56,719
let's see so we we can get any number to

2342
02:15:56,719 --> 02:15:59,119
work I know stand your point very TR to

2343
02:15:59,119 --> 02:16:00,719
come to see where we are in terms of

2344
02:16:00,719 --> 02:16:03,119
these changes in terms of moving to 100%

2345
02:16:03,119 --> 02:16:07,040
on water SE moving to 50% on residential

2346
02:16:07,040 --> 02:16:10,520
wayte with 100 100,000 for jackpot code

2347
02:16:10,520 --> 02:16:13,079
enforcement position going back and the

2348
02:16:13,079 --> 02:16:16,280
mayor's office the $3,000 production and

2349
02:16:16,280 --> 02:16:18,559
the assistant cooperation one position

2350
02:16:18,559 --> 02:16:21,960
go that um and and would we keep the

2351
02:16:21,960 --> 02:16:24,159
commercial um waste feed increase that

2352
02:16:24,159 --> 02:16:26,040
we discussed yes the commercial will

2353
02:16:26,040 --> 02:16:27,360
stay at the same

2354
02:16:27,360 --> 02:16:30,440
50% for

2355
02:16:30,440 --> 02:16:34,200
Le uh go ahead please so um are we going

2356
02:16:34,200 --> 02:16:36,000
to be asking the finance department to

2357
02:16:36,000 --> 02:16:37,920
work of what we discussing that's I was

2358
02:16:37,920 --> 02:16:38,920
going to

2359
02:16:38,920 --> 02:16:43,880
ask have that in front of us I mean a

2360
02:16:43,880 --> 02:16:46,960
few we're in conceptual agreement can

2361
02:16:46,960 --> 02:16:49,240
put the numbers

2362
02:16:49,240 --> 02:16:51,479
together first thing tomorrow morning

2363
02:16:51,479 --> 02:16:53,439
and get them out to you by the later

2364
02:16:53,439 --> 02:16:54,679
part of the

2365
02:16:54,679 --> 02:16:58,319
morning I'm AG for resolution that would

2366
02:16:58,319 --> 02:17:03,080
be acted upon on Thursday Mr to get to

2367
02:17:03,080 --> 02:17:04,760
miss patri point I mean there will not

2368
02:17:04,760 --> 02:17:06,319
be an opportunity to discuss some of the

2369
02:17:06,319 --> 02:17:08,000
things you are talking about I'm feeling

2370
02:17:08,000 --> 02:17:09,160
like there were discussions that

2371
02:17:09,160 --> 02:17:11,000
happened that I certainly was not a part

2372
02:17:11,000 --> 02:17:12,800
of I don't know if any of my colleagues

2373
02:17:12,800 --> 02:17:14,479
were a part of it it sounds like Mr

2374
02:17:14,479 --> 02:17:16,800
Farley I'm H I'm fine that you know Mr

2375
02:17:16,800 --> 02:17:19,200
Farley seems to have talked to the mayor

2376
02:17:19,200 --> 02:17:20,960
but I'm just wondering if other people

2377
02:17:20,960 --> 02:17:22,719
have also had any conversations I'm

2378
02:17:22,719 --> 02:17:25,840
feeling a little as though um you know

2379
02:17:25,840 --> 02:17:27,240
some stuff has happened that I just

2380
02:17:27,240 --> 02:17:30,399
wasn't aware about because it did so

2381
02:17:30,399 --> 02:17:32,399
okay just wanted to make sure but but I

2382
02:17:32,399 --> 02:17:34,200
think it's really important that um you

2383
02:17:34,200 --> 02:17:37,920
know I didn't I didn't have to have any

2384
02:17:37,920 --> 02:17:40,679
special permission no I know I tried I

2385
02:17:40,679 --> 02:17:42,040
tried to go see the mayor myself any

2386
02:17:42,040 --> 02:17:43,800
other members right so I think that you

2387
02:17:43,800 --> 02:17:47,880
know um just didn't so you for as well

2388
02:17:47,880 --> 02:17:52,359
taken and understood so um I would uh

2389
02:17:52,359 --> 02:17:54,639
move for with that course of action

2390
02:17:54,639 --> 02:17:57,040
of give those numbers to us first St in

2391
02:17:57,040 --> 02:17:58,960
the morning call a special

2392
02:17:58,960 --> 02:18:02,280
meeting I'm Happ the scenario but the

2393
02:18:02,280 --> 02:18:05,559
other option is start an action tomorrow

2394
02:18:05,559 --> 02:18:07,120
I hear that in Supreme

2395
02:18:07,120 --> 02:18:09,439
Court have resolved and I'm also going

2396
02:18:09,439 --> 02:18:12,080
to start lay off notices I shouldn't say

2397
02:18:12,080 --> 02:18:15,880
layoff but fur notices where won't be a

2398
02:18:15,880 --> 02:18:18,519
budget in place don't be you expend any

2399
02:18:18,519 --> 02:18:21,319
funds and

2400
02:18:21,319 --> 02:18:23,880
so people aren't going to get paid so

2401
02:18:23,880 --> 02:18:27,439
you get a whole level of Havoc as

2402
02:18:27,439 --> 02:18:29,880
opposed

2403
02:18:29,880 --> 02:18:33,880
to a less than optimal scenario from

2404
02:18:33,880 --> 02:18:36,439
everybody's perspective in the agreement

2405
02:18:36,439 --> 02:18:38,599
that we put something on the ballot in

2406
02:18:38,599 --> 02:18:42,319
November that will clarify this

2407
02:18:42,319 --> 02:18:44,800
for individuals in the future I'm

2408
02:18:44,800 --> 02:18:47,840
completely in favor of that by the way

2409
02:18:47,840 --> 02:18:50,160
the charter thing we wouldn't be in the

2410
02:18:50,160 --> 02:18:52,439
trouble we're in right now please and

2411
02:18:52,439 --> 02:18:53,920
I'd like to know what what everyone's

2412
02:18:53,920 --> 02:18:56,319
opinion is on on bringing back the

2413
02:18:56,319 --> 02:18:59,840
police uh refunding the police overtime

2414
02:18:59,840 --> 02:19:03,160
the uh police detective over time the

2415
02:19:03,160 --> 02:19:05,920
fire department over time the additional

2416
02:19:05,920 --> 02:19:08,359
jobs that were taken out of the budget

2417
02:19:08,359 --> 02:19:10,639
um that we need

2418
02:19:10,639 --> 02:19:19,900
to I mean we if fin I talked about some of those

2419
02:19:19,900 --> 02:19:21,200
[Music]

2420
02:19:21,200 --> 02:19:24,359
positions and at this point we're doing

2421
02:19:24,359 --> 02:19:27,280
recruitment if during the course of the

2422
02:19:27,280 --> 02:19:30,080
year I have to come back to the council

2423
02:19:30,080 --> 02:19:36,629
for authority to follow those I will do

2424
02:19:36,639 --> 02:19:39,319
that I just feel like we're being held

2425
02:19:39,319 --> 02:19:40,880
hostage

2426
02:19:40,880 --> 02:19:46,429
without oh yes I feel

2427
02:19:46,439 --> 02:19:48,120
the

2428
02:19:48,120 --> 02:19:51,800
okay okay so when first come sorry

2429
02:19:51,800 --> 02:19:55,000
Mr it's truly important to identify that

2430
02:19:55,000 --> 02:19:56,720
if you are now indicating that you are

2431
02:19:56,720 --> 02:20:00,040
interested in negotiating it is truly

2432
02:20:00,040 --> 02:20:02,720
beyond that point and I think at this

2433
02:20:02,720 --> 02:20:05,200
current juncture I truly appreciate Mr

2434
02:20:05,200 --> 02:20:08,280
Farley for taking it upon himself to try

2435
02:20:08,280 --> 02:20:10,240
and identify best means that gets a

2436
02:20:10,240 --> 02:20:12,319
budget pass for the city I can

2437
02:20:12,319 --> 02:20:14,560
specifically speak for myself these

2438
02:20:14,560 --> 02:20:17,040
numbers definitely transition greatly

2439
02:20:17,040 --> 02:20:20,120
from what I was open to however

2440
02:20:20,120 --> 02:20:22,520
understanding how do we present a budget

2441
02:20:22,520 --> 02:20:23,800
so that the mayor does not have to

2442
02:20:23,800 --> 02:20:25,520
proceed in the manner that he is

2443
02:20:25,520 --> 02:20:26,680
indicated at the beginning of our

2444
02:20:26,680 --> 02:20:29,880
meeting is important so once again no

2445
02:20:29,880 --> 02:20:31,479
one is leaving this process entirely

2446
02:20:31,479 --> 02:20:34,080
happy that is honestly the definition of

2447
02:20:34,080 --> 02:20:38,160
negotiating I hope that next year we can

2448
02:20:38,160 --> 02:20:40,560
have a more uh clean and productive

2449
02:20:40,560 --> 02:20:42,880
conversation from the onset because we

2450
02:20:42,880 --> 02:20:46,080
had time uh that that that that is where

2451
02:20:46,080 --> 02:20:49,520
we currently are go okay I am somewhat

2452
02:20:49,520 --> 02:20:52,000
offended by Mr Williams remarks and I'm

2453
02:20:52,000 --> 02:20:54,479
sorry uh to say this but I think that we

2454
02:20:54,479 --> 02:20:56,680
were open to negotiating I think we've

2455
02:20:56,680 --> 02:20:58,920
spent hours and hours and hours trying

2456
02:20:58,920 --> 02:21:02,600
to negotiate so I I think that we've had

2457
02:21:02,600 --> 02:21:04,680
negotiations at every single one of

2458
02:21:04,680 --> 02:21:06,760
these budget meetings um we just

2459
02:21:06,760 --> 02:21:09,479
couldn't come to agreement over some of

2460
02:21:09,479 --> 02:21:11,560
the things sometimes that's what happens

2461
02:21:11,560 --> 02:21:13,319
in a negotiation I certainly don't have

2462
02:21:13,319 --> 02:21:16,319
to be taught what a negotiation is at

2463
02:21:16,319 --> 02:21:19,960
this juncture in my professional uh

2464
02:21:19,960 --> 02:21:21,720
career so I do want to just

2465
02:21:21,720 --> 02:21:25,319
unfortunately that just raised my eye um

2466
02:21:25,319 --> 02:21:27,680
that you don't often see here at this

2467
02:21:27,680 --> 02:21:30,960
table um but I I do need to at least be

2468
02:21:30,960 --> 02:21:35,120
clear about that um I think I you know I

2469
02:21:35,120 --> 02:21:37,640
think we absolutely have to do something

2470
02:21:37,640 --> 02:21:42,040
to the Charter um because clearly you

2471
02:21:42,040 --> 02:21:44,200
know something has to be fixed in the

2472
02:21:44,200 --> 02:21:47,240
future so that a a future city council

2473
02:21:47,240 --> 02:21:49,040
will not have to get to this point that

2474
02:21:49,040 --> 02:21:52,560
we have gotten to um but I do think that

2475
02:21:52,560 --> 02:21:54,200
uh and I also want to go back to what

2476
02:21:54,200 --> 02:21:55,960
you were saying Mr farle earlier I think

2477
02:21:55,960 --> 02:21:57,319
there probably might have been some

2478
02:21:57,319 --> 02:21:58,760
political kinds of things that were

2479
02:21:58,760 --> 02:22:00,359
happening I didn't feel that they were

2480
02:22:00,359 --> 02:22:03,399
on my end certainly but I did feel that

2481
02:22:03,399 --> 02:22:05,399
those of us that were up for reelection

2482
02:22:05,399 --> 02:22:08,000
actually might have been targeted um by

2483
02:22:08,000 --> 02:22:09,640
some of the I'm just being completely

2484
02:22:09,640 --> 02:22:12,000
open and honest now um that we were

2485
02:22:12,000 --> 02:22:15,000
targeted before the election um with

2486
02:22:15,000 --> 02:22:17,880
these budget negotiations um however I

2487
02:22:17,880 --> 02:22:19,520
was I actually felt that after the

2488
02:22:19,520 --> 02:22:21,160
election was over perhaps we were going

2489
02:22:21,160 --> 02:22:24,120
to be able to come to more um compromise

2490
02:22:24,120 --> 02:22:25,880
which did not happen right after the

2491
02:22:25,880 --> 02:22:27,720
election so I was I was somewhat shocked

2492
02:22:27,720 --> 02:22:30,600
by that um so you're hearing a lot of

2493
02:22:30,600 --> 02:22:33,240
anger at this point that I have been uh

2494
02:22:33,240 --> 02:22:36,000
holding in um but I do agree with the

2495
02:22:36,000 --> 02:22:39,080
charter piece um from from both parties

2496
02:22:39,080 --> 02:22:41,560
here um and I do think that there's

2497
02:22:41,560 --> 02:22:44,439
other positions that I feel badly if we

2498
02:22:44,439 --> 02:22:47,560
don't um have them back into the budget

2499
02:22:47,560 --> 02:22:50,160
um so and I think there's things that

2500
02:22:50,160 --> 02:22:53,319
are in this Council budget that we don't

2501
02:22:53,319 --> 02:22:57,040
need to be spending money on so there's that as well so I've kind of

2502
02:22:57,040 --> 02:23:00,040
kept my silence uh previously but that

2503
02:23:00,040 --> 02:23:03,359
just really upset me go ahead please

2504
02:23:03,359 --> 02:23:05,680
thank you f so like I always say how you

2505
02:23:05,680 --> 02:23:07,200
see it depends on where you sit and I

2506
02:23:07,200 --> 02:23:08,359
think that I don't believe that any of

2507
02:23:08,359 --> 02:23:10,040
us feel that we're walking away with

2508
02:23:10,040 --> 02:23:12,760
everything that we would have hoped for

2509
02:23:12,760 --> 02:23:15,279
and um and I'm not angry at anyone just

2510
02:23:15,279 --> 02:23:18,760
to be clear because about this is about

2511
02:23:18,760 --> 02:23:20,680
us as a council working together to get

2512
02:23:20,680 --> 02:23:22,680
to a place where we can agree and we're

2513
02:23:22,680 --> 02:23:24,640
not 100% there but we're at a place

2514
02:23:24,640 --> 02:23:25,960
where we can pass the budget out and

2515
02:23:25,960 --> 02:23:28,880
that's that's been our goal and I um I

2516
02:23:28,880 --> 02:23:30,560
think it's unfortunate that it took

2517
02:23:30,560 --> 02:23:32,880
someone saying something to to for for

2518
02:23:32,880 --> 02:23:35,399
us to speak out about what's um what

2519
02:23:35,399 --> 02:23:36,960
your what you were feeling it would have

2520
02:23:36,960 --> 02:23:40,040
been ideal to hear those things so I

2521
02:23:40,040 --> 02:23:41,439
don't want this to get to a place that

2522
02:23:41,439 --> 02:23:44,120
we're Guided by our emotions you know we

2523
02:23:44,120 --> 02:23:47,279
should be guided by what is the best um

2524
02:23:47,279 --> 02:23:48,960
for the residents connected I think

2525
02:23:48,960 --> 02:23:50,640
we've come to a place that's not ideal

2526
02:23:50,640 --> 02:23:53,240
has been stated numerous times including

2527
02:23:53,240 --> 02:23:55,439
by the mayor but again what he's also

2528
02:23:55,439 --> 02:23:57,479
said and with everyone a council member

2529
02:23:57,479 --> 02:23:59,359
know is that if it comes time that we

2530
02:23:59,359 --> 02:24:01,600
need to amend the budget reappropriate

2531
02:24:01,600 --> 02:24:04,359
it's been done throughout the years so

2532
02:24:04,359 --> 02:24:06,680
it is something that we can do so at

2533
02:24:06,680 --> 02:24:08,760
this point in time we're at a position

2534
02:24:08,760 --> 02:24:11,960
where we can um not have an IDE have an

2535
02:24:11,960 --> 02:24:13,760
idea but be able to move forward and

2536
02:24:13,760 --> 02:24:17,160
pass the budget I it's up to you Mr M I

2537
02:24:17,160 --> 02:24:18,880
hear what you're saying I think that all

2538
02:24:18,880 --> 02:24:20,479
of us probably understood that we could

2539
02:24:20,479 --> 02:24:22,840
have made amendments um and we could

2540
02:24:22,840 --> 02:24:25,319
have solved this budget issue you know

2541
02:24:25,319 --> 02:24:28,439
weeks ago um so I hear what you're

2542
02:24:28,439 --> 02:24:30,640
saying but we we I think we all knew

2543
02:24:30,640 --> 02:24:34,040
that um so back to what Mr Farley said

2544
02:24:34,040 --> 02:24:36,800
um you know why why didn't you do it

2545
02:24:36,800 --> 02:24:38,680
weeks ago so yes I've usually tried to

2546
02:24:38,680 --> 02:24:41,240
keep myself very calm and you're right

2547
02:24:41,240 --> 02:24:45,240
emotion is coming in tonight because um

2548
02:24:45,240 --> 02:24:48,279
yeah got let me just address I mean yes

2549
02:24:48,279 --> 02:24:50,560
at the beginning everyone was some of us

2550
02:24:50,560 --> 02:24:53,439
participate you participate then next

2551
02:24:53,439 --> 02:24:55,080
day you came back with a statement

2552
02:24:55,080 --> 02:24:57,439
prepare statement and read it yes so the

2553
02:24:57,439 --> 02:24:59,640
council and then you dug your heels in

2554
02:24:59,640 --> 02:25:01,000
that we should support the mayor's

2555
02:25:01,000 --> 02:25:03,240
Budget on the and the time so I'm not

2556
02:25:03,240 --> 02:25:06,120
sure how can you have a true negotiation

2557
02:25:06,120 --> 02:25:07,760
when you're stuck in you know the

2558
02:25:07,760 --> 02:25:09,880
mayor's so you score the mayor's budget

2559
02:25:09,880 --> 02:25:12,000
right so then how can we have a fruitful

2560
02:25:12,000 --> 02:25:14,319
negotiation or discussion with regards

2561
02:25:14,319 --> 02:25:17,279
to how we move forward Okay so I want to

2562
02:25:17,279 --> 02:25:19,520
address that because we're not open to

2563
02:25:19,520 --> 02:25:22,640
negotiation if you says well I support

2564
02:25:22,640 --> 02:25:24,800
this well I was trying

2565
02:25:24,800 --> 02:25:27,920
to I will say in in defense of myself

2566
02:25:27,920 --> 02:25:30,200
that I was trying because I remember all

2567
02:25:30,200 --> 02:25:33,200
these things has happened so so at this

2568
02:25:33,200 --> 02:25:35,040
point I think it's important that I'm

2569
02:25:35,040 --> 02:25:37,439
not going to invalidate anyone's

2570
02:25:37,439 --> 02:25:39,840
feelings at the table okay I think that

2571
02:25:39,840 --> 02:25:42,840
we all care about our city greatly and I

2572
02:25:42,840 --> 02:25:44,399
think that so when you care about

2573
02:25:44,399 --> 02:25:46,120
something you love something when you

2574
02:25:46,120 --> 02:25:47,399
feel that something's is happening

2575
02:25:47,399 --> 02:25:50,200
that's not right it can it can you know

2576
02:25:50,200 --> 02:25:51,640
produce some emotions so I'm not going

2577
02:25:51,640 --> 02:25:54,439
to validate anybody's experience but I

2578
02:25:54,439 --> 02:25:57,120
will say that right now the conversation

2579
02:25:57,120 --> 02:25:59,120
is becoming a little circular and we

2580
02:25:59,120 --> 02:26:01,560
might start to try to relitigate things

2581
02:26:01,560 --> 02:26:03,319
that have have have happened and I think

2582
02:26:03,319 --> 02:26:07,200
that the best course of action is to uh

2583
02:26:07,200 --> 02:26:10,359
kind of be more Mindful and and and be

2584
02:26:10,359 --> 02:26:11,720
intentional about creating space for

2585
02:26:11,720 --> 02:26:13,040
people to make sure that they're sharing

2586
02:26:13,040 --> 02:26:14,319
their opinions and being heard moving

2587
02:26:14,319 --> 02:26:16,840
forward and at this point I would really

2588
02:26:16,840 --> 02:26:19,399
suest that we

2589
02:26:19,399 --> 02:26:22,640
um move forward with some action

2590
02:26:22,640 --> 02:26:25,800
and so question question for May the

2591
02:26:25,800 --> 02:26:28,319
mayor you're okay with the discussion

2592
02:26:28,319 --> 02:26:30,880
proposal on the table going 100% with

2593
02:26:30,880 --> 02:26:34,120
your fees of water so 50% as the

2594
02:26:34,120 --> 02:26:35,920
discussion with you Mr Harley for

2595
02:26:35,920 --> 02:26:39,120
residential ways $100,000 for a jackpack

2596
02:26:39,120 --> 02:26:41,200
and the revenue line and you going to do

2597
02:26:41,200 --> 02:26:44,680
the in andout code position the mayor's

2598
02:26:44,680 --> 02:26:47,279
office to fund that position back to

2599
02:26:47,279 --> 02:26:50,279
where was proposed from the mayor and

2600
02:26:50,279 --> 02:26:52,680
the assistant Corporation

2601
02:26:52,680 --> 02:26:56,310
Council I'm trying to to make sure

2602
02:26:56,310 --> 02:27:02,230
[Music]

2603
02:27:02,240 --> 02:27:08,120
that no no no no

2604
02:27:08,120 --> 02:27:10,560
information I think we can make that

2605
02:27:10,560 --> 02:27:14,479
work get numbers not going to ask D put

2606
02:27:14,479 --> 02:27:17,240
together tonight but have it first well

2607
02:27:17,240 --> 02:27:21,920
you want tonight back to have that in

2608
02:27:21,920 --> 02:27:26,389
place and then again the

2609
02:27:26,399 --> 02:27:28,399
understanding I think we'll come

2610
02:27:28,399 --> 02:27:30,279
together and be all semiha happppy we

2611
02:27:30,279 --> 02:27:33,640
only slightly irritated the real point

2612
02:27:33,640 --> 02:27:35,399
of negotiation still BEC comes with the

2613
02:27:35,399 --> 02:27:38,640
jackpot which sounds like a simple thing

2614
02:27:38,640 --> 02:27:42,279
but the mechanics ofing how much we're

2615
02:27:42,279 --> 02:27:45,080
going to classify the jackpot how we do

2616
02:27:45,080 --> 02:27:47,200
the accounting how we do the billing how

2617
02:27:47,200 --> 02:27:52,520
we document that is not a simple process

2618
02:27:52,520 --> 02:27:54,359
and so it's going to require everybody

2619
02:27:54,359 --> 02:27:56,840
looking at it keeping an open mind

2620
02:27:56,840 --> 02:27:59,920
working with the staff uh there may be

2621
02:27:59,920 --> 02:28:02,000
scenarios there where we could get more

2622
02:28:02,000 --> 02:28:06,920
Revenue out of those uh sites that

2623
02:28:06,920 --> 02:28:10,000
generate more cost and it's we all know

2624
02:28:10,000 --> 02:28:12,279
it's out there we have a great

2625
02:28:12,279 --> 02:28:14,840
system really a very

2626
02:28:14,840 --> 02:28:17,279
efficient uh

2627
02:28:17,279 --> 02:28:19,439
operation in terms of waste collection

2628
02:28:19,439 --> 02:28:22,600
but there are some people who drive a

2629
02:28:22,600 --> 02:28:25,200
very small component of the cost and

2630
02:28:25,200 --> 02:28:27,160
there's other people who drive a much

2631
02:28:27,160 --> 02:28:29,600
larger component with the cost and how

2632
02:28:29,600 --> 02:28:33,630
do we again

2633
02:28:33,640 --> 02:28:41,550
allocate the fees to reflect

2634
02:28:41,560 --> 02:28:43,840
that so what I'm hearing is that we

2635
02:28:43,840 --> 02:28:45,399
can't get this tonight so we'll get this

2636
02:28:45,399 --> 02:28:48,760
done tomorrow to the council I'm still

2637
02:28:48,760 --> 02:28:50,399
like I understand your pointment where

2638
02:28:50,399 --> 02:28:52,319
we um we don't I'm thinking of we should

2639
02:28:52,319 --> 02:28:55,000
still resets finance committee so once

2640
02:28:55,000 --> 02:28:57,279
we have these numbers we can look at

2641
02:28:57,279 --> 02:28:59,000
some of the other

2642
02:28:59,000 --> 02:29:02,120
stuff there is there it's the tax bills

2643
02:29:02,120 --> 02:29:06,240
have to go up component of the charter

2644
02:29:06,240 --> 02:29:09,359
which you post the tax it only applies

2645
02:29:09,359 --> 02:29:14,600
to the upcoming year so I would again

2646
02:29:14,600 --> 02:29:17,399
look for a Thursday meeting that's

2647
02:29:17,399 --> 02:29:20,479
one when you prepare the notice you let

2648
02:29:20,479 --> 02:29:22,720
me know I'll have the police department

2649
02:29:22,720 --> 02:29:25,670
deliver the

2650
02:29:25,680 --> 02:29:28,120
notice

2651
02:29:28,120 --> 02:29:30,279
got yeah

2652
02:29:30,279 --> 02:29:33,279
so yeah so I I we can lower that

2653
02:29:33,279 --> 02:29:35,640
overtime

2654
02:29:35,640 --> 02:29:38,040
budget well we're getting Dron so that's

2655
02:29:38,040 --> 02:29:39,960
going to help tremendously all right let

2656
02:29:39,960 --> 02:29:42,120
not let's this this a serious business

2657
02:29:42,120 --> 02:29:45,160
here so let's work those numbers up um

2658
02:29:45,160 --> 02:29:47,319
get it back to us tomorrow

2659
02:29:47,319 --> 02:29:51,120
um by 11 as early as you can let's look

2660
02:29:51,120 --> 02:29:53,359
at all these changes that was proposed I

2661
02:29:53,359 --> 02:29:55,240
just want to confirm changes they

2662
02:29:55,240 --> 02:29:58,479
discussing 100% uh water and silver the

2663
02:29:58,479 --> 02:30:03,000
budget uh 50% waste uh you want to um

2664
02:30:03,000 --> 02:30:05,520
bringing back a code enforcement officer

2665
02:30:05,520 --> 02:30:09,000
um bring back the original salary of the

2666
02:30:09,000 --> 02:30:13,560
mayor's position his uh budget um add

2667
02:30:13,560 --> 02:30:16,680
assistant Corporation Council back uh

2668
02:30:16,680 --> 02:30:21,040
Bara there any changes in the Council

2669
02:30:21,040 --> 02:30:23,600
salaries that's I'm just the way it says

2670
02:30:23,600 --> 02:30:27,120
residential we can leave the proposal

2671
02:30:27,120 --> 02:30:30,000
that for the council

2672
02:30:30,000 --> 02:30:36,550
salary

2673
02:30:36,560 --> 02:30:39,800
um support the

2674
02:30:39,800 --> 02:30:43,200
pay but so okay go ahead please so now

2675
02:30:43,200 --> 02:30:45,279
I'm really confused so are we going to

2676
02:30:45,279 --> 02:30:47,200
come back on Thursday today but we're

2677
02:30:47,200 --> 02:30:48,800
not going to discuss this budget any

2678
02:30:48,800 --> 02:30:50,160
longer we're just going to come back and

2679
02:30:50,160 --> 02:30:52,640
vote it's on whatever the numbers are

2680
02:30:52,640 --> 02:30:55,520
coming in tomorrow to us but that's what

2681
02:30:55,520 --> 02:30:57,840
I was proposing just that I think that I

2682
02:30:57,840 --> 02:30:59,880
we should recess the finance just for

2683
02:30:59,880 --> 02:31:02,840
the sake of in case we need to meet and

2684
02:31:02,840 --> 02:31:04,840
be other the safe side Mr because it

2685
02:31:04,840 --> 02:31:06,840
sounds like I mean just hearing that for

2686
02:31:06,840 --> 02:31:09,080
example it sounds like some of these

2687
02:31:09,080 --> 02:31:10,800
other things are still going to be part

2688
02:31:10,800 --> 02:31:12,359
of the numbers that we're going to see

2689
02:31:12,359 --> 02:31:15,240
tomorrow right Mr well that is part of

2690
02:31:15,240 --> 02:31:16,960
the original change of

2691
02:31:16,960 --> 02:31:19,160
yeah yeah the only the only changes we

2692
02:31:19,160 --> 02:31:22,279
making the code enforcement the mayor's

2693
02:31:22,279 --> 02:31:25,240
office change and the assistant change

2694
02:31:25,240 --> 02:31:29,600
in terms of positions Mr a

2695
02:31:29,600 --> 02:31:32,840
question during city council meeting

2696
02:31:32,840 --> 02:31:35,760
presumably you'd be doing aoll call vote

2697
02:31:35,760 --> 02:31:39,160
You' have an opportunity to discuss

2698
02:31:39,160 --> 02:31:45,349
items um during that special

2699
02:31:45,359 --> 02:31:49,240
counil to discuss whatever you receive

2700
02:31:49,240 --> 02:31:52,520
from the finance um department and you

2701
02:31:52,520 --> 02:31:54,760
know you that's your time to do it

2702
02:31:54,760 --> 02:31:57,040
during that discussion period and Hammer

2703
02:31:57,040 --> 02:31:59,439
anything out and make any changes you

2704
02:31:59,439 --> 02:32:04,560
know through a motion um if

2705
02:32:04,560 --> 02:32:07,880
necessary so there I can understand why

2706
02:32:07,880 --> 02:32:10,359
you may feel a need to recess when

2707
02:32:10,359 --> 02:32:13,120
people get the numbers want people to

2708
02:32:13,120 --> 02:32:15,960
look at now there still may be what I

2709
02:32:15,960 --> 02:32:18,359
call them dime

2710
02:32:18,359 --> 02:32:21,880
adjustments I'm open to those hope

2711
02:32:21,880 --> 02:32:23,600
council members would keep an open mind

2712
02:32:23,600 --> 02:32:27,160
to it but the option is that the police

2713
02:32:27,160 --> 02:32:29,240
department fire department that we're

2714
02:32:29,240 --> 02:32:31,200
moving down the path of shutting the

2715
02:32:31,200 --> 02:32:33,800
city down and if I don't have an

2716
02:32:33,800 --> 02:32:36,479
agreement tonight I'm going to start

2717
02:32:36,479 --> 02:32:38,439
supreme court tomorrow which is not

2718
02:32:38,439 --> 02:32:42,399
going to happen overnight you know be an

2719
02:32:42,399 --> 02:32:47,000
expedited case but to litigate it and in

2720
02:32:47,000 --> 02:32:48,720
scenario of just putting it out the

2721
02:32:48,720 --> 02:32:52,680
ballot November is simpler and gives us

2722
02:32:52,680 --> 02:32:55,800
something to work for it that we in all

2723
02:32:55,800 --> 02:32:57,319
likelihood are going to be back here

2724
02:32:57,319 --> 02:32:58,490
next year talking

2725
02:32:58,490 --> 02:32:59,720
[Music]

2726
02:32:59,720 --> 02:33:03,600
about garbage fees because our costs are

2727
02:33:03,600 --> 02:33:04,520
up

2728
02:33:04,520 --> 02:33:09,950
and they're always there

2729
02:33:09,960 --> 02:33:13,160
so so I guess one more question in this

2730
02:33:13,160 --> 02:33:15,680
one would be for Corporation Council so

2731
02:33:15,680 --> 02:33:18,000
um special meeting but then we have our

2732
02:33:18,000 --> 02:33:20,520
Monday council meeting and that's where

2733
02:33:20,520 --> 02:33:22,520
basically I mean this budget doesn't

2734
02:33:22,520 --> 02:33:24,920
have to pass unanimously correct what's

2735
02:33:24,920 --> 02:33:27,970
the number of people four four

2736
02:33:27,970 --> 02:33:32,429
[Music]

2737
02:33:32,439 --> 02:33:34,760
okay I don't believe you have a council

2738
02:33:34,760 --> 02:33:35,960
meeting

2739
02:33:35,960 --> 02:33:41,200
on Tuesday the day after Christmas is Monday we're not coming vot

2740
02:33:41,200 --> 02:33:44,640
for it well there's there's seven of us

2741
02:33:44,640 --> 02:33:50,070
three of us probably

2742
02:33:50,080 --> 02:33:53,720
right oh go ahead please we be able to

2743
02:33:53,720 --> 02:33:55,800
uh because we had this circumstance with

2744
02:33:55,800 --> 02:33:59,200
Mr P um would we be able to explain our

2745
02:33:59,200 --> 02:34:02,319
vote when you will explain there

2746
02:34:02,319 --> 02:34:04,160
discussion we'll discuss it and then we

2747
02:34:04,160 --> 02:34:06,720
then we'll go to voting so you'll have

2748
02:34:06,720 --> 02:34:08,319
you can take as long as you your

2749
02:34:08,319 --> 02:34:09,800
positions are right read whatever that

2750
02:34:09,800 --> 02:34:14,120
you have and then any discussion on

2751
02:34:14,120 --> 02:34:18,080
Section we're still to discuss it to to

2752
02:34:18,080 --> 02:34:20,680
explain our vote when we vote that's not

2753
02:34:20,680 --> 02:34:21,600
in the

2754
02:34:21,600 --> 02:34:25,680
charter Mr F can you address that I

2755
02:34:25,680 --> 02:34:30,600
think um I our code adopts the Rober

2756
02:34:30,600 --> 02:34:34,080
schools of order unless is an exception

2757
02:34:34,080 --> 02:34:36,640
right right so if there's nothing in our

2758
02:34:36,640 --> 02:34:38,399
code that says what happens during the

2759
02:34:38,399 --> 02:34:41,080
roll call vote we fall back on Rob schs

2760
02:34:41,080 --> 02:34:43,399
Council can suspend the rules we have an

2761
02:34:43,399 --> 02:34:45,160
agreement tonight that everybody can

2762
02:34:45,160 --> 02:34:47,960
talk as long as they want we routinely

2763
02:34:47,960 --> 02:34:51,080
don't the problem but well we all right

2764
02:34:51,080 --> 02:34:54,720
let's let's have a so Mr what Mr colini

2765
02:34:54,720 --> 02:34:56,720
wants is to not have his discussion to

2766
02:34:56,720 --> 02:35:00,000
wait until it's time to vote when so

2767
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:04,000
hope we're voting part of everybody will

2768
02:35:04,000 --> 02:35:06,359
so I'm requesting we go by what the code

2769
02:35:06,359 --> 02:35:07,960
says and we follow the Roberts Rules of

2770
02:35:07,960 --> 02:35:09,600
Order and if we haven't it's because

2771
02:35:09,600 --> 02:35:11,479
we've been able to to have these

2772
02:35:11,479 --> 02:35:14,479
discussions in a very amicable way and

2773
02:35:14,479 --> 02:35:17,279
since that has we moved away from that

2774
02:35:17,279 --> 02:35:19,200
then we should be following Robert rules

2775
02:35:19,200 --> 02:35:21,800
of orders and we're quickly returning to

2776
02:35:21,800 --> 02:35:26,720
that let's go so just move there you

2777
02:35:26,720 --> 02:35:30,399
want to wrap this up well then you can't

2778
02:35:30,399 --> 02:35:33,479
just going forward you can't just sit

2779
02:35:33,479 --> 02:35:35,439
there and say we're going to file

2780
02:35:35,439 --> 02:35:37,120
Robert's rules on this time but this

2781
02:35:37,120 --> 02:35:41,359
time we're not no that's not what that's what's happened for years

2782
02:35:41,359 --> 02:35:44,120
well we're going to change that that's

2783
02:35:44,120 --> 02:35:46,760
all I'm saying okay

2784
02:35:46,760 --> 02:35:48,279
go ahead please no I was just looking

2785
02:35:48,279 --> 02:35:54,230
for you to go ahead and wrap up the

2786
02:35:54,240 --> 02:35:56,760
business so it seems like we already got

2787
02:35:56,760 --> 02:36:00,760
the uh the notice of a meeting so then I

2788
02:36:00,760 --> 02:36:03,920
guess you would just be so so so you

2789
02:36:03,920 --> 02:36:06,359
don't need to recess so then we just

2790
02:36:06,359 --> 02:36:08,600
need to adjourn according to okay I'm

2791
02:36:08,600 --> 02:36:10,160
sorry yeah you know that's that's my

2792
02:36:10,160 --> 02:36:11,520
question I'm just yeah that's what I was

2793
02:36:11,520 --> 02:36:14,960
thinking about recess or a jar and me go

2794
02:36:14,960 --> 02:36:16,800
straight to the special council meeting

2795
02:36:16,800 --> 02:36:20,319
and present the numbers at the council

2796
02:36:20,319 --> 02:36:21,680
meeting next

2797
02:36:21,680 --> 02:36:24,479
Thursday and if there's any changes

2798
02:36:24,479 --> 02:36:25,880
we'll do

2799
02:36:25,880 --> 02:36:29,319
amendments from the floor so I'm going

2800
02:36:29,319 --> 02:36:32,429
to send out all the

2801
02:36:32,439 --> 02:36:35,399
changes so if anybody has any questions

2802
02:36:35,399 --> 02:36:39,479
when they see it hopefully by consensus

2803
02:36:39,479 --> 02:36:44,870
we could

2804
02:36:44,880 --> 02:36:48,750
agre

2805
02:36:48,760 --> 02:36:52,389
I'm

2806
02:36:52,399 --> 02:36:54,640
sorry we need a position in terms of

2807
02:36:54,640 --> 02:36:57,240
who's going to support um what is on the

2808
02:36:57,240 --> 02:36:58,560
table right now is

2809
02:36:58,560 --> 02:37:01,040
that I mean that's what I'm trying to

2810
02:37:01,040 --> 02:37:03,040
conceptual support for that among the

2811
02:37:03,040 --> 02:37:04,279
council as a

2812
02:37:04,279 --> 02:37:10,479
whole I would support it I support it no

2813
02:37:10,479 --> 02:37:11,960
I don't even know what I'm

2814
02:37:11,960 --> 02:37:14,800
supporting so until I see those

2815
02:37:14,800 --> 02:37:17,000
numbers

2816
02:37:17,000 --> 02:37:20,160
I'm not I think

2817
02:37:20,160 --> 02:37:22,600
that's so but I don't think it really

2818
02:37:22,600 --> 02:37:24,120
matter I guess what I'm trying to say is

2819
02:37:24,120 --> 02:37:26,399
I don't really think it matters honestly

2820
02:37:26,399 --> 02:37:28,880
and um because you

2821
02:37:28,880 --> 02:37:31,880
only you only need four votes so I think

2822
02:37:31,880 --> 02:37:35,080
um you know I'd like people

2823
02:37:35,080 --> 02:37:37,520
to think about their

2824
02:37:37,520 --> 02:37:39,439
position

2825
02:37:39,439 --> 02:37:44,160
and taking me big effort to come to this

2826
02:37:44,160 --> 02:37:47,120
point MH

2827
02:37:47,120 --> 02:37:52,469
would appreciate a 70

2828
02:37:52,479 --> 02:37:54,920
vote I mean my position was very clear

2829
02:37:54,920 --> 02:37:56,359
from the beginning of this budget that

2830
02:37:56,359 --> 02:37:59,200
in terms of fees and taxes increased um

2831
02:37:59,200 --> 02:38:01,359
toward works and taxpayer has to Bear

2832
02:38:01,359 --> 02:38:03,640
the BRS of it it is no secret that I

2833
02:38:03,640 --> 02:38:04,840
made objection to that from the

2834
02:38:04,840 --> 02:38:07,560
beginning all the way to the end of it

2835
02:38:07,560 --> 02:38:10,160
um I sticking that in terms of what but

2836
02:38:10,160 --> 02:38:11,800
at some point we need to compromise and

2837
02:38:11,800 --> 02:38:13,560
that's why we need budget negotiation

2838
02:38:13,560 --> 02:38:15,200
compromise we can't dig our HS in the

2839
02:38:15,200 --> 02:38:16,319
sand and say

2840
02:38:16,319 --> 02:38:18,040
I support this I'm not going to do any

2841
02:38:18,040 --> 02:38:20,000
single thing I mean

2842
02:38:20,000 --> 02:38:24,160
I appreciate Mr Farley and discussion I

2843
02:38:24,160 --> 02:38:26,720
was expecting so much of increase I

2844
02:38:26,720 --> 02:38:28,760
thought maybe you would you know meet to

2845
02:38:28,760 --> 02:38:29,399
the

2846
02:38:29,399 --> 02:38:33,000
middle in the sake of compromise but we

2847
02:38:33,000 --> 02:38:36,520
all should do going forward I am going

2848
02:38:36,520 --> 02:38:38,840
to We Up support

2849
02:38:38,840 --> 02:38:42,160
this I don't like it but I have to

2850
02:38:42,160 --> 02:38:44,720
support it so that we can move

2851
02:38:44,720 --> 02:38:47,560
forward

2852
02:38:47,560 --> 02:38:50,600
I guess um I appreciate that we're

2853
02:38:50,600 --> 02:38:52,800
keeping the fees uh at least two of the

2854
02:38:52,800 --> 02:38:56,680
three fees um because you know I can't

2855
02:38:56,680 --> 02:38:57,920
tell you how many times I heard well

2856
02:38:57,920 --> 02:38:59,520
we're going to have to increase Revenue

2857
02:38:59,520 --> 02:39:01,319
well the reality is that how you

2858
02:39:01,319 --> 02:39:03,640
increase Revenue in a municipality is

2859
02:39:03,640 --> 02:39:06,120
through these fees um I've been

2860
02:39:06,120 --> 02:39:07,800
maintaining right from the start that

2861
02:39:07,800 --> 02:39:09,680
the fact that the council wouldn't

2862
02:39:09,680 --> 02:39:12,160
raiseed the fees last year to what uh

2863
02:39:12,160 --> 02:39:15,240
the mayor had um and the finance commit

2864
02:39:15,240 --> 02:39:17,319
commissioner had asked for is what put

2865
02:39:17,319 --> 02:39:19,760
us um behind the eightball in starting

2866
02:39:19,760 --> 02:39:23,000
these negotiations this year um so I

2867
02:39:23,000 --> 02:39:24,560
just want to be clear about that but I

2868
02:39:24,560 --> 02:39:27,240
also still feel that we're affecting

2869
02:39:27,240 --> 02:39:31,200
Public Safety um without U reconsidering

2870
02:39:31,200 --> 02:39:33,120
the overtime increases for the police

2871
02:39:33,120 --> 02:39:35,439
and fire I think especially when I think

2872
02:39:35,439 --> 02:39:38,800
about the reality of um Chief Marino's

2873
02:39:38,800 --> 02:39:40,200
budget just in particular I'll just

2874
02:39:40,200 --> 02:39:41,880
throw out there that I know he gave us a

2875
02:39:41,880 --> 02:39:48,520
very realistic figure um it's true that I I I just have to say that we'll

2876
02:39:48,520 --> 02:39:51,040
be back here in April um basically

2877
02:39:51,040 --> 02:39:53,080
making an amendment to put more money

2878
02:39:53,080 --> 02:39:55,120
into the overtime if we don't pass the

2879
02:39:55,120 --> 02:39:59,800
overtime now um you know it's going to

2880
02:39:59,800 --> 02:40:05,920
we're going to need it um so you know I understand compromise I definitely do

2881
02:40:05,920 --> 02:40:08,880
um but I just have to State for the

2882
02:40:08,880 --> 02:40:12,520
record that this process

2883
02:40:12,520 --> 02:40:17,760
was incredibly flawed um um

2884
02:40:17,760 --> 02:40:21,399
and I don't know well I mean you can

2885
02:40:21,399 --> 02:40:22,720
this PL I

2886
02:40:22,720 --> 02:40:25,640
mean we all as a council should get more

2887
02:40:25,640 --> 02:40:28,240
involved we we had some meeting here and

2888
02:40:28,240 --> 02:40:30,399
there's maybe zero communication from

2889
02:40:30,399 --> 02:40:35,880
some members that no participation was so minimal in terms of

2890
02:40:35,880 --> 02:40:38,000
what presented what you wanted to offer

2891
02:40:38,000 --> 02:40:40,240
is there any anything so we talk about

2892
02:40:40,240 --> 02:40:42,680
that yes we increase fee but we got look

2893
02:40:42,680 --> 02:40:45,520
at the tax pays we cannot continue we

2894
02:40:45,520 --> 02:40:47,240
can I just continue to say okay we're

2895
02:40:47,240 --> 02:40:49,600
going to increase you know maintain

2896
02:40:49,600 --> 02:40:51,319
service increase service and pass it on

2897
02:40:51,319 --> 02:40:53,160
to the back of taxpayer we have to look

2898
02:40:53,160 --> 02:40:55,399
we as a counil have to look how do we

2899
02:40:55,399 --> 02:40:58,600
expand our Revenue look at fees the all

2900
02:40:58,600 --> 02:41:00,600
fees that we have structur look at how

2901
02:41:00,600 --> 02:41:03,040
we go back and look at the pilot project

2902
02:41:03,040 --> 02:41:04,560
I don't know we need to discuss that how

2903
02:41:04,560 --> 02:41:06,359
can we able to address some of those

2904
02:41:06,359 --> 02:41:09,600
things expand our Revenue we as a counil

2905
02:41:09,600 --> 02:41:11,600
should do that then we we got

2906
02:41:11,600 --> 02:41:14,880
to stop looking at passing down tax pay

2907
02:41:14,880 --> 02:41:17,200
tiing my b we need to talk to department

2908
02:41:17,200 --> 02:41:20,160
heads not we I'm just making a statement

2909
02:41:20,160 --> 02:41:21,200
department head need to look at

2910
02:41:21,200 --> 02:41:22,960
tightening the belt we cannot have

2911
02:41:22,960 --> 02:41:25,680
outter control spending year after year

2912
02:41:25,680 --> 02:41:27,680
how do we CL and that and let say let's

2913
02:41:27,680 --> 02:41:28,720
be

2914
02:41:28,720 --> 02:41:30,960
accountable those are the things we have

2915
02:41:30,960 --> 02:41:34,040
we here as a council represent our

2916
02:41:34,040 --> 02:41:36,640
taxpayers and we cannot continue to do

2917
02:41:36,640 --> 02:41:39,359
that over and over every year where what

2918
02:41:39,359 --> 02:41:42,670
is the purpose

2919
02:41:42,680 --> 02:41:46,840
of so I just want to say that again I think that the conversation is

2920
02:41:46,840 --> 02:41:49,000
starting to become a little circular and

2921
02:41:49,000 --> 02:41:50,800
I think that um I don't want to

2922
02:41:50,800 --> 02:41:52,399
invalidate anyone's feelings or

2923
02:41:52,399 --> 02:41:54,399
experience that they have gone through

2924
02:41:54,399 --> 02:41:57,760
at the table otherwise but at this point

2925
02:41:57,760 --> 02:42:00,680
I think that there's a reasonable action

2926
02:42:00,680 --> 02:42:02,640
to be taken ahead of us I would just

2927
02:42:02,640 --> 02:42:05,279
urge the council to let's move in that

2928
02:42:05,279 --> 02:42:08,080
direction and there will be time for

2929
02:42:08,080 --> 02:42:11,120
discussion um and I think that we

2930
02:42:11,120 --> 02:42:12,720
discussed it at that time but at this

2931
02:42:12,720 --> 02:42:15,600
point I would just urge us to um call

2932
02:42:15,600 --> 02:42:19,160
our adjournment um allow this uh

2933
02:42:19,160 --> 02:42:21,680
gentleman here to do uh his job and then

2934
02:42:21,680 --> 02:42:23,319
let's uh

2935
02:42:23,319 --> 02:42:32,429
reconvene just want to analis before we adj please so the public is

2936
02:42:32,439 --> 02:42:34,600
aware thank

2937
02:42:34,600 --> 02:42:39,200
you so um we will adjourn um finance and

2938
02:42:39,200 --> 02:42:40,680
then we will call for a special city

2939
02:42:40,680 --> 02:42:43,439
council meeting on Thursday December

2940
02:42:43,439 --> 02:42:46,240
21st at 5:30 right here at City Hall

2941
02:42:46,240 --> 02:42:49,279
105j Street room 110 and the purpose

2942
02:42:49,279 --> 02:42:51,840
would be for the SKC city council to

2943
02:42:51,840 --> 02:42:54,279
pass 2024 operating budget and capital

2944
02:42:54,279 --> 02:42:56,399
budget for the city of skincity asking

2945
02:42:56,399 --> 02:42:58,960
that all City Council Members be present

2946
02:42:58,960 --> 02:43:00,880
do you have any uh questions or you want

2947
02:43:00,880 --> 02:43:02,279
additional information about this you

2948
02:43:02,279 --> 02:43:04,600
can uh contact our city clerk Samantha

2949
02:43:04,600 --> 02:43:08,880
Miku at 518 38251

2950
02:43:08,880 --> 02:43:13,560
95 okay motion toor finance committee

2951
02:43:13,560 --> 02:43:18,150
second second all favor all

2952
02:43:18,150 --> 02:43:29,550
[Music]

2953
02:43:29,560 --> 02:43:44,269
all when

2954
02:43:44,279 --> 02:43:47,279
you